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From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Good 'draw' software ? Date: 26 Nov 1996 04:30:51 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <57drpr$71a@news.digifix.com> References: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> In-Reply-To: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> On 11/24/96, jon klein wrote: >Can somebody recommend a good drawing package for NeXTstep? I've seen plenty >of graphics manipulation stuff, but no drawing packages. I really just >need to make basic shapes, do some rotation, etc... > >-- >-jon klein >jklein@freon.artificial.com >My cat failed the Turing test miserably. > Draw.app pretty basic, free, in your /NextDeveloper/Demos folder Create.app http://www.stone.com/ SuperDraw http://www.impact.com/ -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: SoftPC4.* and internet connectivity Date: 1 Dec 1996 01:30:48 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57qn48$7tg@news3.digex.net> Hi all, I'm trying out the demo of SoftPC4.0...I downloaded the 4.1 patch, but it won't work in demo mode, so I'm using SoftPC4.0 for now... Anyway, although Netscape Navigator 3.01 works just fine (actually it's FAST), telnet clients don't seem to work. So I'm guessing it has something to do with the winsock.dll? Does anyone know? Has anyone gotten a telnet client working through SoftPC? If so, how'd you do it? Has anyone upgraded the winsock.dll in SoftPC to a newer version? If so, could you tell me what version, or let me know if you could MIME/NEXTmail it to me? Why, you may ask, do I need a telnet client under SoftPC windows if I have Terminal.app? Well, a certain piece of legal research software uses telnet through a proprietary app for access... it doesn't work, nor does Ewan (a pd telnet client for windows) under SoftPC4.0 Any info would be great :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9611301409.AA02893@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 15:09:57 +0100 Subject: Q: OS4.0 and NT4.0 on one disk - How does one start?? Hi there, you NeXTcore folks, I am perfectly sure, that you've heard this question before !! - But it did not find the right answer to it yet! How does one start to install both OPENSTEP 4.0 and WinNT 4.0 an a 2GB (Seagate ST12400N) system disk on a PC. I do want a 500 MB - first partion with OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach and a second 1.5GB partition for WinNT4.0 (with OPENSTEP for WinNT4.0 later on). So....... Do I start with the Openstep for Mach-CD and then later on install NT on the 2nd partition??? Any hints are brightly smiling welcome!!! - Thanx a whole lot in advance!!!! Pls. e-mail, I will summarize! Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: rwakeman@thoughtport.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: freehand virtuoso Date: 1 Dec 1996 03:46:20 GMT Message-ID: <57qv2c$380@news1-alterdial.uu.net> On 11/27/96, William F. Adams wrote: >Just out of curiousity, anyone running FreeHand 7 on WinNT under >OpenSTEP? >William I'm running Freehand 5.5 on NT4.0 intel and Virtuoso 2 on a NeXT cube. It works fine for me cross platform. I save files as FH4 from NT, but I have to have postscript fonts in the document. Then I open the file in Virtuoso under NS 3.2 and it opens fine. But I have to have the same fonts open on Nextstep. If you don't, it will ask you for font substitutions. If you bring across a document with true type, the page will be blank. NS 3.2 never heard of true type. Robert
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 26 Nov 1996 14:00:16 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <57feo0$bf9@papoose.quick.com> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570115$3sh@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> In article <570115$3sh@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, Nathan M. Urban <nurban@vt.edu> wrote: (munch) >My only regret is that it doesn't cooperate as well as I'd like with >my other favorite GUI-extender, VirtSpace. >(Through no fault of Norbert's, of course.) Maybe you are using the wrong version of VirtSpace or simply have not set the preferences to enable these behaviors. I use VCirtSpace v 3.03. >Namely, I wish that switching to a new app would warp me to the virtual >screen that app resides ini You can set the 'Follow Key Window' preference to get that behavior >that the LaunchBar window would be sticky (appearing in all virtual screens) >and that it wouldn't warp the location of the LaunchBar window if >I try to switch to it from a virtual screen other than the one it >resides in. You can get that behavior by shift clicking the Launchbar window's image in VirtSpace. This makes the window sticky. >Those problems are enough to make it annoying for me to use LaunchBar. Those problems would annoy me too. It is possible to use the two apps together quite comfortably, though. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: patricia@theory.caltech.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 01:46:25 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <961201174625.248AAGBF.patricia@patricia-ppp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get the JDK etc for NSI3.3? And a Java-enabled browser that also supports animated gifs? I just designed this site for my husband and now I can't even view it on the NS partition of my drive: http://www.theory.caltech.edu/people/jhs/strings/index.htm Thank you, patricia@theory.caltech.edu
From: patricia@theory.caltech.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 01:49:00 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get the JDK etc for NSI3.3? And a Java-enabled browser that also supports animated gifs? I just designed this site for my husband and now I can't even view it on the NS partition of my drive: http://www.theory.caltech.edu/people/jhs/strings/index.htm Thank you, patricia@theory.caltech.edu
From: chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Copying directory lisitngs Date: 2 Dec 1996 03:59:39 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Distribution: world Message-ID: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> I think I remember someone mentioning this at one point. I'm trying to copy the filenames of an entire directory and paste them into an Edit document (or other). Anyone know how to do this ? Much obliged -- Chris
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocac Subject: cancel Control: cancel <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> Date: 2 Dec 1996 03:57:10 GMT Organization: Ripco Communications Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <57tk2m$39u$1@gail.ripco.com> <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> is excessively silly. -- David Richards Ripco, since Nineteen-Eighty-Three My opinions are my own, Public Access in Chicago But they are available for rental Shell/SLIP/PPP/UUCP/ISDN/Leased dr@ripco.com (312) 665-0065 !Free Usenet/E-Mail!
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: In Need of a Special NewsReader ability Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:18:51 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cmcZWfe00UhB02bNZk@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG> In-Reply-To: <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 30-Nov-96 In Need of a Special NewsR.. by Timothy J Luoma@peak.org > 2) I have another shell account (peak.org) which I do not get an IP with. > > I dial into #1 and telnet to #2 to use their news machine, which is > MUCH better than #1. However, I can't read news from my NeXT using > #2's news machine because it sees that my IP is outside their > range, and says > > [502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.] > > Well that makes sense, they don't want anyone else using their news > server except their own customers. Except, I AM one of their > customers (well, sorta... the account is free so I can work at the > NeXT FTP site). Your best bet is to convince the news admin at #2 to give your machine permission to use their news server. Doing anything else is too complicated to be worth the effort, and would be a waste of resources-- you'd have to find software to do a reader-mode suck feed (which are relatively inefficient) instead of getting the push feed that one news server normally sends articles to another by (since you'd have to talk to the news admin at #2 to set up a proper feed, anyway).... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software,microsoft.public.excel.misc Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19961202.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19961123.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19961116.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 02 Dec 1996 04:00:00 -0700 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: biweekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas Frequently Asked Questions == FAQ cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ list can be obtained via all news.answers access methods: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The FAQ list for comp.apps.spreadsheets is located on rtfm.mit.edu at /pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq>
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 2 Dec 1996 08:55:05 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <57u5h9$t5q@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57djud$e0h@news4.digex.net> <57h6p0$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57ihtl$c3a@news4.digex.net> <57mj8b$jnq@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57q3ap$6ei@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <57q3ap$6ei@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: >> This two things are addressed by the GNU projects. And i think this wants >> be a minimal bases, leaving a lot of things to earn money by for the real >> companies. The de-facto circle resulting in using m$ products is attacked a >> little harder that way. > Well, I think GNU cripples itself more than ms. If it were to allow its > software to be used by everyone, little companies would have BETTER > ammunition to use against ms... And if GNU works became defacto standard > equipment, even ms would be forced to use it... [...] > I think we can agree on this: you think GNU is better for the industry and > humanity at large, and I think the MiscKit of licensing is better...But > both are nice and have helped everyone out... Well i agree! Thanks for the discussion. Bernhard
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Copying directory lisitngs Date: 2 Dec 1996 07:45:13 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <57u1e9$87u@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu (Operator) wrote: > I'm trying to copy the filenames of an entire directory and paste > them into an Edit document (or other). > > Anyone know how to do this ? Just open the directory in Edit (using Cmd-3 from the Workspace and then selecting Edit.app as the opening application). ``This is an awkward transitional +----------------------------------------+ century: the help has gotten all | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 | uppity, but the robots aren't yet | jburton@nwu.edu | competent.'' -- Lloyd K. Marquis +----------------------------------------+
From: Robert F Tobler <rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Copying directory lisitngs Date: 2 Dec 1996 12:08:26 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <57ugrq$pec@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu (Operator) wrote: > I'm trying to copy the filenames of an entire directory and paste them into an > Edit document (or other). Command drag the directory onto the Edit application (or use File->Open Folder (Cmd-D) from within Edit) to open a directory in Edit. This is not really a document, i.e. you can't edit it, but you can open Files from this window by double-clicking them, and you can select the whole stuff, and copy the names into a real document. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert F. Tobler - tel:+43(1)58801-4585,fax:5874932 Institute of Computer Graphics - mailto:rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Vienna University of Technology - http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~rft/
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 3.3 Drivers on 3.2 Date: 2 Dec 1996 14:37:28 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <57upj8$pog@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <329F88E2.2FD1@cftnet.com> In article <329F88E2.2FD1@cftnet.com> David Lawson <dlawson@cftnet.com> writes: > Can 3.3 drivers be used on 3.2 systems? No. Upgrade to 3.3, you'll thank yourself later. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: lumina@magi.com ( ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP-like "Dock" app for WinNT/95? Date: 2 Dec 1996 16:48:21 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <57v18l$sk@news.istar.ca> References: <56q4pl$fte@filth.well.com> <01bbdbeb$08a30700$531443a4@lunatic-fringe> Steve check this ? Rob On 27-Nov-96 01:43:05, Dilbert Wang wrote: Visit http://home1.gte.net/everblue for IconDock, as it is known. It'll take just one or two minutes to download. IconDock works like a charm under NT 4.0 too! Enjoy! Brian Dear <birdrock@well.com> wrote in article <56q4pl$fte@filth.well.com>... > > I seem to recall seeing a posting somewhere in comp.sys.next.* a while back > about someone who'd developed a clone of the NEXTSTEP application dock for > Windows NT and/or Windows 95. > > I have NT 4.0 Workstation and would love to have the NEXTSTEP-style > app dock (I'd pay good money to have the equivalent of NEXTMAIL for NT > too... Eudora is horrible). > > Anyone remember the posting I'm talking about? I remember it had > a link to a website that had a screen shot of this dock thing... > > -- brian > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: NeXT app (m68k) that talks to Netscape cooltalk? Message-ID: <c27cc$b1e1e.9c@news.sfasu.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 17:30:30 GMT Organization: As little as I can get away with... Does anyone know of a NeXT app (m68k) that talks to Netscape cooltalk? Please Cc: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu . -- kc --
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:32:46 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> In-Reply-To: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 2-Dec-96 Java for NS3.3 where? by patricia@theory.caltech. > Where can I get the JDK etc for NSI3.3? As far as I know, the full JDK has not been ported to NS. People have been working on it, and I believe they have the compiler and interpreter working, but not the AWK (and hence, no AppletViewer.app). > And a Java-enabled browser that also supports animated gifs? Again, AFAIK, no NS browser supports Java. Both NetSurfer and OmniWeb support animated GIFs, however. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Copying directory lisitngs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:37:29 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <wmclDNW00UhW41vPVg@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> In-Reply-To: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 2-Dec-96 Copying directory lisitngs by Operator@polaris.scicntr > I'm trying to copy the filenames of an entire directory and paste them > into an Edit document (or other). > > Anyone know how to do this ? Sure-- from a shell prompt, '/bin/ls _directory_name_ | copy' will put the names into the pasteboard, and you can paste them whereever you want to. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: bnd00796@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT PPP 102 Date: 2 Dec 1996 18:47:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961202184900.NAA17964@ladder01.news.aol.com> Well, I've finally done it! I have gone ahead and installed the PPP on my NeXT Slab (which I also, incidentally, just upgraded to 16 Megs...oh boy!). But, nevertheless I have a little problem, and perhaps someone can help? I simply CANNOT access the pppd program in /usr/local/bin from my "me" account. It works fine in root, but in me I see an icon of a document with a big QUESTION mark over it. NOW, I must say that I followed ALL of the directions to the "T." I changed the .cshrc file for both root and "me" by adding: setenv MANPATH "/usr/local/man:/usr/man:.:.." endif (I may have typed something above slightly wrong, but at home on my computer it is EXACTLY like in the instructions). Interestingly enough, if I use the UNIX shell, the pppd works find (when I just type the command and DON'T even have to su root). I mean, if I have followed ALL the instructions correctly, WHY isn't that working? I know many people have said I need "Gatekeeper." Quite frankly, I WANT IT. And, I HAVE IT. Except, it is sitting on my PC. And since the file is bigger than 1.44 megs (it is double that), I can't get it to my NeXT. So I thought, "ok, I'll just call my PC with my NeXT (since I now have the right cable!). Yet I have TRIED several comm programs, but DAMMIT, they all shut off under 20 mins. Do you mean to tell me that there is not ONE single comm program out there that supports speeds above 9600, uses a GUI, and lasts longer than 20 mins? The one program I have been using is "Microphone." When I connect to my pc, it connects at 14.4 baud (That's what the speed is of the NeXT modem), with a throughput of 38,400 baud. So I start up the Zmodem and BAM, nothing happens. Microphone litterally FREEZES and I stare at the rotating circle forever. So I try YMODEM, and that takes LONGER than 20 mins, so everything shuts off. I LITERALLY wanted to smash my NeXT! MAJOR Catch-22 here! Sooooo... HELP!!!! Basically, I need to get the Gatekeeper to my NeXT...any other way than what I have been trying??? If you haven't already figured it out, I am not a rich man. I bought the NeXT at a very cheap price, and really am not interested in buying a bunch of software that costs SO damn much! Should I just stop here and sell the NeXT, since I didn't know that the software requires a bank loan?? Oh, and just for the heck of it, I installed OmniWeb 2.0 and tried to run it. It immediately shut down and wouldn't run (bad executeable or library). What do I need to run OmniWeb with NeXT 3.2 (and no, I REALLY can't afford to run out and buy 3.3....maybe "SpiderWoman" is in my future???). Any advice, as usual, is GREATLY appreciated! Bill Disclamier: Sorry for my bad attitude. After spending hours with PPP installation and bad file transfers, I was looking for any means of suicide!
From: "Mark Bessey" <MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: win a few, lose a few Date: 2 Dec 1996 18:41:10 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbe081$efcfb2f0$3e031281@bananajr> References: <329E4050.1C43@dino.ph.utexas.edu> david.wolf <wolf@dino.ph.utexas.edu> wrote in article <329E4050.1C43@dino.ph.utexas.edu>... > respond via email, please: > > Software bundled in ns3.3 is lost in os4.0. > > Is there a list of the packeges available released in 3.3 that have > disappeared in 4.0. Not that I know of. There really aren't that many things that got removed... > Particularly troubling, I notice that TeX as vanished. My dissertation > was written in TeX. > > I have not yet installed 4.0. Is there a way i can maintain all > of the packages that were in 3.3 and not now in 4.0 throug the > upgrade process? Yes, if you use the Upgrader.app on the CD, it'll preserve the existing packages. > Will they work under 4.0? They should. 4.0 is very backward-compatible with 3.3. > ----- > david > wolf@dino.ph.utexas.edu > Hope this helps, -Mark
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: In Need of a Special NewsReader ability Date: 02 Dec 1996 12:19:53 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qdiv6kpul2.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG> Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: [...] > So what I need (I guess) is some sort of "proxy" service (don't > know if that is the right word for it) where I can read news from > their machine via some real cool NeXTStep news app. I'd imagine I'd > have to enter my username and password on machine #2. > > Does anyone know if this is possible with any of the newsreaders > out there now? [...] The only newsreader that I know of that can do this is Emacs GNUS, which has the ability to set the server function to either a straight telnet to the NNTP port, or perform an rsh (or telnet) to another machine, and telnet from there. This functionality is in the Emacs 19.34 GNUS, so you might want to try out the alpha 19.34 Emacs and see if you like it (I haven't yet, but it's on my list of things to play with). -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 2 Dec 1996 23:41:10 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <57vpem$rlg@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> <56qv7q$2jb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <57at63$f0c@news.vanderbilt.edu> In-Reply-To: <57at63$f0c@news.vanderbilt.edu> On 11/25/96, Thomas Katzlberger wrote: > pb141@columbia.edu wrote: > : On 11/18/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: > : | > : | Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? > Take a look at: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~malc/NEXTSTEP/WWW/ Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 102 Date: 2 Dec 1996 23:35:42 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <57vp4e$r29@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> <57bqs8$1uu@news.tuwien.ac.at> In-Reply-To: <57bqs8$1uu@news.tuwien.ac.at> On 11/25/96, Robert F Tobler wrote: > The application does not have all that many features yet, but it is fast, > easy to use, and has .rtf as native document format. Just try it! > > Robert F. Tobler > > PS: I am not in any way connected to Cedar Systems Limited, I just tried > their application, and find it to be one of the most useful NeXTstep > applications I have used. > I'd like to chip in with a good word for Cedar here too... Having, sadly, had ~no time to put into the beta progrogramm after finding the first two bugs, I've now started using the release version, and have been pleasantly surprised. I had wondered what role it would play, given its many (and admitted) limitations; it so happens that at the moment I'm having to deal with a lot of fairly simple text for whic I would normally use Edit. Edit however lacks things like page headers, footers and breaks, and the concept of character and paragraph styles. These extras make CW a lot more useful for basic word-pr-cessing. Furthermore Cedar have implemented the UI in a well-thought-out way so that you can actually do things quickly and easily which sometimes seem impossible on other products (one feature I love in particular is the ability to xplicitly change paragraph settings without affecting character settings -- have a play and you'll see what I mean). If I refer to CW as "SuperEdit", which may seem to be damning it with faint praise -- however this is not at all intended, if anything I look to the analogue in Draw->SuperDraw (where SuperDraw is now an outstanding application in v4), and hope that CW can emulate that progress. Best wishes to Paul et al. mmalc. --
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Copying directory lisitngs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:04:23 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202094318.5718E-100000@kira> References: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Operator <chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu> In-Reply-To: <57tk7b$knh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > I think I remember someone mentioning this at one point. > > I'm trying to copy the filenames of an entire directory and paste them into an > Edit document (or other). > > Anyone know how to do this ? really depends on how UNIX-ey you want to be. From the commandline: ls -1 /path/to/dir|copy will put the filenames on the pasteboard ls -1 /path/to/dir|open will put the files in an Edit document From the Workspace (aka the NeXTStep Way) try dragging the folder to Edit.app _while holding down the command key_ if it isn't the command key, then try alt or CNTL, but I think it's the command key.... I'm not at my NeXT so I can't say for sure. I'll use this as another opportunity to talk about my "tricks" document, a compilation of nifty GUI trickery for NeXTStep. you can find it at: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/mailserver/tricks or get it via email by sending me a blank email with the SUBJECT send-ascii tricks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: Jeff Hoekman <jhoekman@stanford.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Does NS 3.3 have GCC built in? Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 07:55:00 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <32A44D51.42EF@stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to get GCL (Lisp) running on my NS/Pentium and apparently need gcc. Isn't this built-in to the NS development environment, or is this another kind of Objective-C? I downloaded gcc-2.7.2.1 (7 megs) Is this what I need? I don't see any specifics on NS installation. Can anyone offer some words of advice on this installation? Thank you, Jeff
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: 3 Dec 1996 10:22:46 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <580v1n$1i7f@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> patricia@theory.caltech.edu wrote: > It's a pity because now that I need to use applets in my web designs, > it means the whole NS partition on this drive becomes irrelevant. > Oh shoot that's the way it goes. Another reason to contemplate changing > platforms for good finally. Except that I really dread trying to TeX > on W95 and X-windows is something I will not allow in my home, it's > bad enough people at school are forced to use it. It's ok if all you need to run is an instance of appletviewer in an X-windoze window on your NEXTSTEP machine. Sure, I'd prefer a native Java app, but what can you do. If you have a Linux or Sun machine with JDK intalled, you might consider running appletviewer remotely and displaying it on your machine, that's what I'm currently doing. As far as compiling Java is concerned, I'm very happy with guavac on my NeXT machine (1). :-) > What's a poor nerdgrrl to do? $#@$#@$#@$@$ This poor nerdboy is considering buying an inexpensive Mac, and running it alongside his NeXT machine when developing Java. Not that expensive after all, and it provides you with the luxury of a second screen. Run WebObjects, Apache, and guavac under Nextstep, and use Netscape on the Mac for testing the interface. How's that sounding :-) > I always thought the big apocalypse in my life would be a nuclear war, > not this slow agonizing stress-to-death over the eternal damnation > of platform incompatibility. :-) <- this proves it has driven me nuts! Lighten up - it's not all bad. Nextstep is still a platform much more useable then everything else on this planets surface, and even when I do Java, I'd rather stick with Nextstep, and be it only for Edit.app. Chris (1) anybody got kaffe to run though? -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: schaub@tamu.edu (Hanspeter Schaub) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: transparent color showing as white??? Date: 3 Dec 1996 01:32:25 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Message-ID: <57vvv9$hu2@news.tamu.edu> I'm having a strange problem here. On my NS system at home I created a tiff of our university logo with with a transparent background using ToyViewer. When I uploaded the tiff to the NS system in our department, the same tiff always shows up with a white background instead of a transparent one. Different viewers, (OmniImage, ToyViewer, ..) all confirm that the image does contain alpha stuff. I tried replacing the originally white background with transparent one on the campus computers, but that would help either. We have several NS computer networked together there. This wouldn't display properly on any of them. I was suspecting that there might be some program installed on the system which is incorrectly filtering these tiffs and changing the transparent background to white. Anybody know of a program that would do this? We have OmniImage, ToyViewer2.4E, GifOMatic, FastView installed. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, since a deadline is looming large! blue skies, HP -- Hanspeter Schaub Ph.D. Graduate Research Assistant Aerospace Engineering Department Texas A&M University http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~schaub schaub@tamu.edu (NeXTmail welcome) We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! WE CAN LEARN TO FLY! -Jonathon Livingston Seagull
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Looking for: software to control UPS for NS Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:34:35 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202103147.5718G-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Someone sent me an URL not too long ago for some company that sold software to control a UPS device for NS. Anyone know what I'm talking about? After having a 1/1000000 of a second power flux knock out my 'net connection (on one of the good modems at my ISP) and generally mess with my hardware, I'm biting the bullet and getting a UPS, probably APC. Thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: In Need of a Special NewsReader ability Date: 2 Dec 1996 20:26:41 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <57vvkh$3ot@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG> In article <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG>, Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > 1) I have a local ISP (nerc.com) which gives me a local IP address > when I connect via dynamic PPP > 2) I have another shell account (peak.org) which I do not get an IP with. > I dial into #1 and telnet to #2 to use their news machine, which is > MUCH better than #1. However, I can't read news from my NeXT using > #2's news machine because it sees that my IP is outside their > range, Hmm, so let me get this straight: The NNTP server at peak.org does not like IP addresses outside its domain, so the only way you can read news from that server is to log in to a shell account there and read from there. If so, I think I can help you. > So what I need (I guess) is some sort of "proxy" service (don't > know if that is the right word for it) where I can read news from > their machine via some real cool NeXTStep news app. I'd imagine I'd > have to enter my username and password on machine #2. You can run a proxy daemon or two. Suppose there are two machines at peak.org, 'shell.peak.org' (the one you have a shell account on), and 'news.peak.org' with the NNTP server. (Maybe they're the same machine.) There is also your NeXT at 'next.mydomain'. There are two cases: 1) If your NEXTSTEP newsreader gives you the ability to change what port it looks for an NNTP server on (doubtful, but maybe), then you're in luck. In this case, you would first run a proxy daemon on 'shell.peak.org' like so: proxyd 10119 news.peak.org nntp or proxyd 10119 news.peak.org 119 (if 'shell' doesn't have the 'nntp' service defined in /etc/services) Then you would configure your NEXTSTEP newsreader to use 'shell.peak.org' on port 10119 (nonprivileged, of course) as your news server, and the proxy daemon would automatically pass requests through to 'news.peak.org' on port 119. (If your newsreader has port 119 hardcoded in, you may actually be able to work around it.. if you edit /etc/services on your computer and change the port for the 'nntp' service to 10119, then if the newsreader tries to open a socket by that service name instead of by port number first, then it _should_ work.. but probably it would just try the port number directly since it is well-known.) 2) If your NEXTSTEP newsreader will only look on port 119, then you need to use two proxies. Run a proxy daemon on 'shell' as in (1). Then run a proxy daemon on YOUR machine, 'next.mydomain', as follows: proxyd 119 shell.peak.org 10119 (This command must be run as root so as to be able to bind to the privileged port 119.) Then configure your newsreader to use YOUR machine as the news server. It will connect to port 119 on your computer as expected, which will get passed through to port 10119 on shell.peak.org, which will get passed through to port 119 on news.peak.org. In case you haven't figured it out, the syntax for invoking the proxy daemon is "proxyd [local-port] [remote-host] [remote-port|remote-service]". If you're running a proxy daemon on your computer, you can just have it run automatically from /etc/rc.local every time you boot. If the admin on 'shell.peak.org' is nice, you'll be able to run the proxyd there in the background all the time as a nohup'ed job; otherwise, you'll have to log in there and run it manually every time you want to read news. Security problem: ANYONE can then connect to port 10119 of 'shell.peak.org' and get NNTP service. The admins might not like that. So I'd pick some really random nonprivileged port number instead of 10119 (since everyone on this newsgroup would try that first) and use that instead. Security through obscurity. There's no nice way I know of to put password protection in. As an additional precaution, you could have the proxy daemon running on 'shell' only during the times you are reading news, and kill it when you're done. So, I bet your next question is, "where can I get this magical software"? Proxyd is a trivial little daemon (386 lines of source), and I have an implementation written by a CS major at my university. I can NeXTmail it to you if you can receive NeXTmail at luomat@peak.org (or some other address, I suppose). (I'd put it up for anonymous FTP on my gateway machine but I don't have that set up currently.. sorry.. I really should get around to fixing that. Hmm. Maybe I should just post the source and Makefile to this newsgroup.) The guy who wrote proxyd actually has a newer version available for anon FTP (in ftp://ftp.mal.com/pub/proxy/), but it's so spruced up that it requries Tcl and expect (it has the ability to automatically log in to things and telnet out from there and stuff like that, I think), as well as TCP wrappers. It also apparently wants to run under its own account. Way overkill for my needs, and I always have bad luck with expect (though I haven't tried to get it working specifically on a NEXTSTEP machine yet). So I just use the trivial little first-run version 0.1. Very reliable. I assume that since he puts the later version up for FTP he wouldn't have a problem with me distributing his first one. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for: software to control UPS for NS Date: 2 Dec 96 21:59:40 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Dec2215940@howard.one.net> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202103147.5718G-100000@kira> In-reply-to: Timothy Luoma's message of Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:34:35 -0800 In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202103147.5718G-100000@kira>, Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: Someone sent me an URL not too long ago for some company that sold software to control a UPS device for NS. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'm pretty sure Benatong has something. And I'm sure others do, too. There's also upsd, a public-domain program. The _main_ requirement, here, is to get a cable that has the right connections, which is something I think that some of the NeXTSTEP vendors offered as part of a package deal. These days, though, who knows? After having a 1/1000000 of a second power flux knock out my 'net connection (on one of the good modems at my ISP) and generally mess with my hardware, I'm biting the bullet and getting a UPS, probably APC. I've been on an APC Smart-UPS 600 for four years or so, now, and it's always caught me when the power went out. Thus far, I've never bothered to get the cable to hook things up, under the assumption that a) if I'm around, I'll take care of the powerdown, or b) if I'm not around, the computer isn't doing anything anyhow, so though a power dropout isn't something I _want_ to happen, it's probably not going to be _that_ serious. Of course, that attitude would change if power events were common on my system. I've only had three or four events which lasted long enough to take out my network when I wasn't around. In the same four years I've done _far_ more magic-key-sequences to kill my machine when it gets hung up. Just this weekend I picked up an APC Back-UPS 400 at CompUSA for $150. They also had the Smart-UPS 600 for $260, after rebate, though I gave up on that after trying to verify the prices (CompUSA has _horrid_ shelf price markers). The difference between the two APC units is that the Smart-UPS is an online unit, and the Back-UPS is a standby unit. Online units run the output from the battery, and charge the battery from the input, so provide more stable output power. Standby units use a mechanical relay to switch over from wall power to battery power in case of a problem. This _could_ cause problems if your hardware is sensitive, but in my experience _most_ hardware is relatively insensitive to this very very short changeover. I've seen systems on wall power keep running across power blinks that _I_ could see, so the standby unit shouldn't be a problem. Well, unless you have hundreds of power events a year. After all, that relay is mechanical. Another APC point is that I think most of the <400VA units don't have the communications port. I don't use it, but I'm always _planning_ to. I was quite tempted by the BackUPS Office power strip/UPS. I figured I could mount one on the back of each of my desks, but I didn't care for the cost to runtime comparison, at least in the face of 17" and 21" color monitors :-). One thing to keep in mind when looking for a UPS for a NeXT mono system is that their total draw is less than most 17" color monitors. So Way Back When, that 600VA system was _complete_ overkill for my slab plus a couple external devices. But I got a good deal on it ... All that out of the way, it's way cool to be online talking to someone when the power goes out, and be able to say "Hey, I've gotta go, my power just went out. See ya later!" Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for: software to control UPS for NS Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 15:54:15 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32A3CE95.579C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202103147.5718G-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy Luoma wrote: > > Someone sent me an URL not too long ago for some company that sold > software to control a UPS device for NS. > > Anyone know what I'm talking about? > > After having a 1/1000000 of a second power flux knock out my 'net > connection (on one of the good modems at my ISP) and generally mess with > my hardware, I'm biting the bullet and getting a UPS, probably APC. > > Thanks > > TjL > > -- > Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) > http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Check out the following web site for UPS software and UPS on the NeXTSTEP runs on HP, SPARC, INTEL and NeXT. http://www.benatong.com/ http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/openstep/special/PowerGuardian.html (written by Korean) YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: patricia@theory.caltech.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 06:29:16 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Charles William Swigerwrote: >> Where can I get the JDK etc for NSI3.3? > >As far as I know, the full JDK has not been ported to NS. People have >been working on it, and I believe they have the compiler and interpreter >working, but not the AWK (and hence, no AppletViewer.app). This seems kind of bizarre to me given the histories of NeXT and Java. It's a pity because now that I need to use applets in my web designs, it means the whole NS partition on this drive becomes irrelevant. Oh shoot that's the way it goes. Another reason to contemplate changing platforms for good finally. Except that I really dread trying to TeX on W95 and X-windows is something I will not allow in my home, it's bad enough people at school are forced to use it. What's a poor nerdgrrl to do? $#@$#@$#@$@$ I always thought the big apocalypse in my life would be a nuclear war, not this slow agonizing stress-to-death over the eternal damnation of platform incompatibility. :-) <- this proves it has driven me nuts! >> And a Java-enabled browser that also supports animated gifs? > >Again, AFAIK, no NS browser supports Java. >Both NetSurfer and OmniWeb support animated GIFs, however. Then I must have the wrong version of OmniWeb. -patricia, NSS (NeXTStep Survivor)
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for: software to control UPS for NS Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:20:58 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <Emd7qOu00UhWE27EAo@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202103147.5718G-100000@kira> <SHESS.96Dec2215940@howard.one.net> <581n2p$qdt@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <581n2p$qdt@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 3-Dec-96 Re: Looking for: software t.. by Art Isbell@ix.netcom.com > Standby models switch to battery backup so rapidly that most systems > don't even notice as Scott pointed out. But the sine-wave signal is > interrupted and replaced by a modified square wave during and after > switchover which doesn't bother most systems either. > > Apparently line-interactive models monitor the sine wave of the AC power > and switch over to battery power without any interruption in the sine wave. > Line-interactive units frequently produce true sine wave output which may be > easier on power supplies. Everything you say here is completely true. :-) However, the power supply inside black hardware is a very high speed switching device which can handle a wide range of input from AC line-- it's probably the best power supply I've seen in a desktop computer. NeXT power supplies have no problems working with the less-expensive UPS's which do the modified square wave. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for: software to control UPS for NS Date: 3 Dec 1996 17:12:57 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <581n2p$qdt@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202103147.5718G-100000@kira> <SHESS.96Dec2215940@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > Just this weekend I picked up an APC Back-UPS 400 at CompUSA for $150. > They also had the Smart-UPS 600 for $260, after rebate, though I gave > up on that after trying to verify the prices (CompUSA has _horrid_ > shelf price markers). The difference between the two APC units is > that the Smart-UPS is an online unit, and the Back-UPS is a standby > unit. Online units run the output from the battery, and charge the > battery from the input, so provide more stable output power. Standby > units use a mechanical relay to switch over from wall power to battery > power in case of a problem. Minor nit. While Scott's descriptions of standby and on-line UPSs are correct, the Smart-UPS isn't an on-line UPS - it's a third type: line-interactive. You probably don't want to pay the price of an on-line unit because the continual use of the inverter means that a very rugged (i.e., expensive) inverter is required relative to the rather wimpy inverters used in standby and line-interactive models in which the inverters are active only during power outages. Standby models switch to battery backup so rapidly that most systems don't even notice as Scott pointed out. But the sine-wave signal is interrupted and replaced by a modified square wave during and after switchover which doesn't bother most systems either. Apparently line-interactive models monitor the sine wave of the AC power and switch over to battery power without any interruption in the sine wave. Line-interactive units frequently produce true sine wave output which may be easier on power supplies. APC has many models to choose from. If you use a modem and experience electrical storms, get a UPS that includes a phone line surge arrestor. I've seen UPSs that also include a network surge arrestor which apparently assumes that a network could pick up an electrical surge which could damage network interface hardware. I've been using a UPS for probably 5 years in the 3rd-world power grid here in the Santa Cruz Mountains (well, to be fair, tree branches in our heavily-forested area take down power lines when they break off in winter storms). My UPS has been an indispensable piece of hardware. No more lost modifications when the power suddenly drops. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: rudy (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: transparent color showing as white??? Date: 3 Dec 1996 14:36:34 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <581dti$95h@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <57vvv9$hu2@news.tamu.edu> Cc: schaub@tamu.edu In <57vvv9$hu2@news.tamu.edu> Hanspeter Schaub wrote: > I'm having a strange problem here. On my NS system at home I created a tiff > of our university logo with with a transparent background using ToyViewer. > When I uploaded the tiff to the NS system in our department, the same tiff > always shows up with a white background instead of a transparent one. > Different viewers, (OmniImage, ToyViewer, ..) all confirm that the image > does contain alpha stuff. I tried replacing the originally white background > with transparent one on the campus computers, but that would help either. > AFAIK ToyViever show transparent color as white, but treats it as transparent. Or did you mean that you open a webpage in OmniWeb and the background is white there? I didn't have problem like that. Maybe some filtering service that doesn's support transparent colors is used in OmniWeb because of the way you installed it? Not sure how to fix, other than removing any apps/services other than you want. Good luck, Rudy -- Rudy Blazek Michigan State University blazek@stt.msu.edu Department of Statistics & Probability
From: wfc@CL.cam.ac.uk (William Clocksin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Samba? Date: 3 Dec 1996 14:46:32 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Message-ID: <581eg8$2sm@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Does anybody use Samba to connect NeXTStep machines to services on a non-NeXT network? If so, how may I get started? William Clocksin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WTB:VirtSpace Message-ID: <1996Dec3.072337.25765@roper.uwyo.edu> From: nor@panoramix.uwyo.edu (norbert pirzkal) Date: 3 Dec 96 07:23:37 MST Distribution: world I would like to buy a copy of VirtSpace for NeXTSTEP (Intel) but that program does not even appear on the company that made it.... They have also failed are returning my emails about purchasing a copy of VirtSpace. Does anyone know where to get it? -- Norbert Pirzkal http://faraday.uwyo.edu/grads/npirzkal P.O. Box 3905 Physics & Astronomy Department University Station Laramie, WY, 82071
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NS 3.3 have GCC built in? Date: 3 Dec 1996 16:14:58 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <581jm2$jl1@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <32A44D51.42EF@stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <32A44D51.42EF@stanford.edu>, Jeff Hoekman <jhoekman@stanford.edu> writes: > I'm trying to get GCL (Lisp) running on my NS/Pentium and apparently > need gcc. Isn't this built-in to the NS development environment, or is > this another kind of Objective-C? Yes it is. You can call it with cc. cc --version will bring you the version (2.5.8) of the gcc here. And that is the second point of problems. > I downloaded gcc-2.7.2.1 (7 megs) Is > this what I need? I don't see any specifics on NS installation. Can > anyone offer some words of advice on this installation? The 2.5.8 coming with OpenStep/Mach and NEXTSTEP is quite old. So you might need a newer version, what depends on the program you are trying to compile. I do not know details about the installation of a new gcc. Regards, Bernhard Reiter
From: ŸŸŸŸŸúÈ6·jim@acb2.cgs.edu (Jim Kieley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: mail reply quoting Date: 4 Dec 1996 23:48:18 GMT Organization: The Claremont Colleges Message-ID: <5852k2$hhj@cinenews.claremont.edu> I just upgraded from 3.3 to 4.0 and the ability of Mail to quote replies died. As I recall, I was using some add-on someone wrote to support this before. Any tips on how to automatically quote replies with a "You wrote" introduction and a ">" before each line. Jim Kieley jim@cgs.edu
From: "·¨©s¾Ë" <batmon@abico.com.tw> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Another question with PCNFD... Date: 4 Dec 1996 04:42:40 GMT Organization: ¨Î¯à¥ø·~ Message-ID: <01bbe19d$edd51360$39ee45cb@abico.com.tw> I have run the "rpc.pcnfsd" under "/usr/etc/" and the Windows 95 with ICE.NFS application can find the NeXT Server now. However, when I try to access one of the directory under NeXT, it ask me for the username and the password. I use the username I use to get into NeXT but it doesn't work. I even try to use the username "me" and it still won't let me access the NeXT Server. Do I have to make another username and password list for PCNFSD, and how should I do that?? Please Help!! Thank you. Best Regards, batmon@abico.com.tw
From: tfrey@proton.next.com (Tony Frey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP-like "Dock" app for WinNT/95? Date: 5 Dec 1996 15:24:05 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <586pel$4nf@news.next.com> References: <5851h8$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> goto http://206.124.65.1:80/everblue/ This is an excellent dock for NT. It even has great high quality icons. -Tony In article <5851h8$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) writes: > >> I have NT 4.0 Workstation and would love to have the NEXTSTEP-style > >> app dock (I'd pay good money to have the equivalent of NEXTMAIL for NT > >> too... Eudora is horrible). > > If you run OpenStep on Windows and still have Mach machines around you could > -NSHost Mail.app. It's awesome. Not only Mail.app but all other great > NeXTSTEP software. > > Regards. > Aleksey (using Alexandra on his NT machine...) -- ---------------------------------------------- Tony Frey tfrey@next.com NeXT Premium Support http://www.next.com ----------------------------------------------
From: Geert Jan van Oldenborgh <oldenbor@knmi.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: X-Term Emulator? Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 16:20:47 +0000 Organization: KNMI Message-ID: <32A6F65F.41C6@knmi.nl> References: <32A6C82C.5F1F@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: greg@nxs.physics.gatech.edu Greg Schaaff wrote: > Does anyone know if there is an X-Windows emulator for Next. I am > running OpenStep 3.3 on Black. xterm: just say no & use Terminal.app or Stuart.app. Much nicer. X-windows: there are several possibilities; I use the shareware one 'xnext', available from your friendly neighboorhood archive. For black there is the free mousex, and there is one commercial package left, but I cannot remember whether it's Cub'X or CoeXist... -- Geert Jan van Oldenborgh oldenbor@knmi.nl
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Warning: Potential *nasty* bug in OpenWrite (Was: Trojan Horse or Bug?) Date: 5 Dec 96 09:50:15 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: world Message-ID: <SHESS.96Dec5095015@slave.one.net> References: <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> In-reply-to: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu's message of 5 Dec 1996 06:54:00 GMT In article <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu>, giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) writes: Another piece of evidence is that I did a complete text search of the *entire* hard drive for "/bin/rm -rf" and OpenWrite *does* contain that string (and not many other apps do). The last nail is the following, posted earlier by Christopher Wolf in c.s.n.bugs: >There is a bug in OpenWrite having to do with renaming a chapter >in a book which will wipe out all the files in your home >directory. A coworker of mine was bitten by it just a couple of >weeks ago. Sounds like this may have happened to you. Boy, that is _truly_ scary. Using system() or popen() to execute simple informative commands like "hostinfo" is bad enough. Using it to execute destructive commands is pretty bad - unforgivable in a program you're going to distribute. It's not like unlink() and rmdir() are really _that_ tough to use. Recursive directory deletion using kernel calls is certainly not a walk in the park, but I've written it enough times that I know it's about eight orders of magnitude simpler than a word processor :-). OTOH, OpenWrite was not written at Lighthouse, so fortunately this doesn't implicate other programs they've written. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: CAP60pl198 on NEXTSTEP Followup-To: poster Date: 5 Dec 1996 17:40:42 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5871eq$hl1@hpax.cup.hp.com> Summary: CAP60pl198 works Here's part of a message I posted to comp.protocols.appletalk a couple of days ago. This is on black hardware. >I just found out that CAP60 patch level 198 supports native >ethertalk for NEXTSTEP along with a modified version of bpf >(.25beta3) at ftp://ftp.aa.ap.titech.ac.jp/pub/adachi. >Everything works, but transfers are very very slow. The >Appletalk transfer icon to the left of the Apple menu comes on >and off frequently. A 60K file transfers in 30 seconds or so. I've subsequently found that there's no delay between a send and its corresponding done transaction when I run aufs with the "-a all" option, but there is a delay between each send/done transaction pair. Ultimately, I decided to fire off some email and here's the answer from Yoshiaki Suzuki (I'll paraphrase): Communication to/from PowerMacs are slow in general, but performance will improve dramatically if you define TREL_TIMEOUT in m4.features. I did and it takes 20 seconds to transfer a 3MB file. So far, CAP looks very promising and I may be able to chuck IPT's uShare/Partner because there are some serious deficiencies with IPT's solution and it doesn't help that they haven't updated the NeXT product in over 3 years. More testing tonight; expect a final posting along with some datapoints in a few days. My sincere thanks to Suzuki-san. Regards, Ken
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 5 Dec 1996 19:23:55 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, Well, here is the definitive on this issue: YES, we have just identified a bug in OpenWrite that can POTENTIALLY delete your home directory. We have finally been able to nail down a specific recipe for repeating this problem and it has just been fixed. We anticipate a new release available to all OpenWrite 2.x users will be available by the middle of next week-check our ftp site ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com some time after Wednesday. In the mean time, here is WHAT *NOT* TO DO: - Do NOT rename chapters after importing them into a book. Rename your file BEFORE importing into the book. Regards, Lynne. -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: missing posix (functions) in OPENSTEP4.0 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:36:21 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <kmdmEpK00UzxM29nsS@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <1996Dec4.092953.47172@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> In-Reply-To: <1996Dec4.092953.47172@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> This should be posted in c.s.n.programmer. Followups redirected. Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 4-Dec-96 missing posix (functions) i.. by frank@ifi.unibas.ch > I've seen may queries on this subject, but no answeres. I'm trying to > compile a posix complient program under OPENSTEP4.0 on an Intel box, but the > linker can't see (some) posix libraries. > > I'm compiling with the option -posix set. As far as I can tell, OS 4.x no longer supports POSIX at all. Of course, NS 3.x never had a working POSIX environment either, so it's not as if much had changed. Gee, the "not invented here syndrome" makes NEXTSTEP an unsuitable environment for yet another program that should compile cleanly everywhere.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: mail reply quoting Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:07:38 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961205130449.4792E-100000@kira> References: <5852k2$hhj@cinenews.claremont.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: jim@cgs.edu In-Reply-To: <5852k2$hhj@cinenews.claremont.edu> Jim, please check you From line From: Jim Kieley <^_^_^_^_^C^_zH^F^A^H^H^F^A67jim@acb2.cgs.edu> I think you are looking for this: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/EnhanceMail.2.0b5.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/EnhanceMail.2.0b5.README aka ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/EnhanceMail.2.0b5.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/EnhanceMail.2.0b5.README ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/latest_versions/EnhanceMail.tar.gz TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: where is putenv()? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:09:23 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961205130848.4792F-100000@kira> References: <32a6b43e.0@news.hampshire.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: jon klein <jklein@freon.artificial.com> In-Reply-To: <32a6b43e.0@news.hampshire.edu> All I found was this: /NextDeveloper/Source/GNU/debug/gdb/gdb/putenv.c TjL ps -- followups set to csn.programmer
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:11:22 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961205131100.4792H-100000@kira> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro <lynne@lighthouse.com> In-Reply-To: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> Thanks for the quick response, and for setting things straight TjL
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: 5 Dec 1996 22:18:43 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <587ho3$3rb@news.digifix.com> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <580v1n$1i7f@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> <5851v3$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <5851v3$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> On 12/04/96, Aleksey Sudakov wrote: >neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) wrote: >>> What's a poor nerdgrrl to do? $#@$#@$#@$@$ >> >>This poor nerdboy is considering buying an inexpensive Mac, and running >>it alongside his NeXT machine when developing Java. Not that expensive >>after all, and it provides you with the luxury of a second screen. > >When did Mac become inexpensive? How about low-end PC with Linux or at least >Windblows? > Especially important to consider is the poor quality of Java development tools on the Mac. I'm waiting for Metrowerks to release their CodeWarrior product on Windows (probably this month). Great environment, wicked fast compiles, crosscompiles to Mac/Win 95/Win NT and supports C, C++, Pascal and now Java. Of course I'd much rather not have to run another machine to get my Java needs covered off.. >> (1) anybody got kaffe to run though? > >I did and I'm happy with it. My MonoStation fly high. > >Aleksey > -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: Tom Reminga <webmaster@q-net.pair.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Looking for NeXT Supplies Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:32:09 -0700 Organization: Q-Net Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32A793B9.6F1E@q-net.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I have a NEXT Computer and I needed supplies- ie wires, software, etc. I have a NeXT Station. I needed wires to go from the monoter to the computer and the computer to the printer. The number of spins seems to be a odd one- 19 pins. If anyone can help with anything please E-Mail me. If you know how to use a NEXT Computer I would like your E-Mail address for future questions. Thanks Tom Reminga webmaster@q-net.pair.com
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: SoftPC4.* and internet connectivity Date: 1 Dec 1996 01:30:48 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57qn48$7tg@news3.digex.net> Hi all, I'm trying out the demo of SoftPC4.0...I downloaded the 4.1 patch, but it won't work in demo mode, so I'm using SoftPC4.0 for now... Anyway, although Netscape Navigator 3.01 works just fine (actually it's FAST), telnet clients don't seem to work. So I'm guessing it has something to do with the winsock.dll? Does anyone know? Has anyone gotten a telnet client working through SoftPC? If so, how'd you do it? Has anyone upgraded the winsock.dll in SoftPC to a newer version? If so, could you tell me what version, or let me know if you could MIME/NEXTmail it to me? Why, you may ask, do I need a telnet client under SoftPC windows if I have Terminal.app? Well, a certain piece of legal research software uses telnet through a proprietary app for access... it doesn't work, nor does Ewan (a pd telnet client for windows) under SoftPC4.0 Any info would be great :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: willadams@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: freehand virtuoso Date: 6 Dec 1996 02:54:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961206025400.VAA12505@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <19961205034900.WAA18133@ladder01.news.aol.com> Hmm, I should've extended my analogy a bit further... Assuming I then take the FH file which references a TrueType font (i.e. GillSansExtraCondensedBoldMT) and load it into Virtuoso on a NeXT which has a PostScript version of the font in question, it ought to load up, if FreeHand is simply storing the font name. Since the file doesn't come up, this would seem to indicate FreeHand stores more information about font usage than that--any ideas what or why? William \ William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: rwakeman@thoughtport.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: freehand virtuoso Date: 6 Dec 1996 03:56:14 GMT Message-ID: <5885gu$eu1@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <19961205034900.WAA18133@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19961206025400.VAA12505@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19961206025400.VAA12505@ladder01.news.aol.com> No, other than Nextstep 3.2 doesn't support TrueType, as I understand it. The page I sent to Virtuoso had text and rules. When I opened it up in Virtuoso, only the rules were in place, with blank text boxes. I tried the same thing again, but this time with PostScript fonts in Freehand 5 on NT 4. When the file was opened in Virtuoso, rules and text were all there, with the same type styles as on NT 4. Robert On 12/05/96, willadams@aol.com wrote: >Hmm, I should've extended my analogy a bit further... > >Assuming I then take the FH file which references a TrueType font (i.e. >GillSansExtraCondensedBoldMT) and load it into Virtuoso on a NeXT which >has a PostScript version of the font in question, it ought to load up, if >FreeHand is simply storing the font name. > >Since the file doesn't come up, this would seem to indicate FreeHand >stores more information about font usage than that--any ideas what or why? > >William >\ >William Adams > >Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. > >
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 30 Nov 1996 19:27:54 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57q1rq$6ei@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <57b398$nri@news.acns.nwu.edu> <57ipmf$c3a@news4.digex.net> <57j3tp$9cg@news.acns.nwu.edu> jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > Since the null set satisfies all predicates, I think this is a true statement. There are NO private corporations (`private', to exclude universities, DoE, CERN, and so on) funding fusion research today, so far as I or my friends in plasma physics know. If the Ignition Test Reactor gets built in the next 15 years, it will be 100% publicly (and internationally) funded. And neither it nor its foreseeable successors will be profitable. Well, I'm no physisist. I'll take your word for it that no energy companies fund such research. Doesn't change things for the point I was making (at least to me)...that the vast majority of projects that advance humanity in some way, are done for some gain... That capatalism, and reward for work, is a great incentive to create and innovate. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 30 Nov 1996 19:52:57 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57q3ap$6ei@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57djud$e0h@news4.digex.net> <57h6p0$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57ihtl$c3a@news4.digex.net> <57mj8b$jnq@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) wrote: > In article <57ihtl$c3a@news4.digex.net>, > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > True, I'm biased, I cannot deny that...I do have a dislike for many of the > > tennants of communism... > You should not! As we are trying to talk about a theory. The theory itself is not really good or bad. (But was ment good i think.) Why people are acting the "communistic" way is a different thing and i do not like most of that actions, too. Well, I won't go into it too deeply but just note...I don't dislike the good "intentions" behind communism...as I said before, I'm a product of a communist state, and I have personal reasons for disliking it and understanding it's practical failures. And, I've noted what I believe to be theoretical oversights in marx's theory. So those things coupled together make me dislike it... The short of it is, you can have all the good intentions in the world of making my computer work perfectly, but if your basic assumptions are wrong and dont work in practice, don't expect me to like it when you break my computer... But the basic good intentions behind communism, of greater equality of opportunity, lack of poverty, etc...I have no problem with, I just think better models exist by which we can implement those good intentions. > Yes, the Intellectual Property Right have to be preserved. But what about making the period shorter for software. And somehow the political and economical system have to prevent shutting away key technologies (a shorter period would address that, too) and building up to big monopols or ogiopols. This is an excellent point and one that's debated often, make copyrights or something like it shorter for software... And I have no problem with it...sure sounds fine...but I just note one problem with it...I don't think it will change anything in the software industry. Why? B/C of the nature of software. You copyright version 1.0 of Word and have say 75years of copyright time on it...but you come out with version 1.5 in 6months, and get a copyright on that...so the 1.0 copyright becomes almost useless... See what I mean, the pace of development is really more of a limitation on the length of copyright then the law could ever be... But again, I have no problem of say, limiting it to 7years or something like that... As for monopoly and oligopolies...that really is an issue with antitrust laws. And believe it or not, we have GREAT antitrust laws in the US... The problem is the DoJ wont enforce them against clear violators like ms... Why, well, I don't know for sure, but ms was very generous to the Clinton campaign... > This two things are addressed by the GNU projects. And i think this wants be a minimal bases, leaving a lot of things to earn money by for the real companies. The de-facto circle resulting in using m$ products is attacked a little harder that way. Well, I think GNU cripples itself more than ms. If it were to allow its software to be used by everyone, little companies would have BETTER ammunition to use against ms... And if GNU works became defacto standard equipment, even ms would be forced to use it... Anyway, I won't argue this point as me being right or you being wrong or vice versa... I think it's an honest difference of opinion as to what would result industry wide...and either way, we are being really speculative... I think we can agree on this: you think GNU is better for the industry and humanity at large, and I think the MiscKit of licensing is better...But both are nice and have helped everyone out... > No Problem! But i thought you would know about that essential rule of news article writing. >:-> I do, I do! :) But I'm just too eager and dive right in on top :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: rwakeman@thoughtport.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: freehand virtuoso Date: 1 Dec 1996 03:46:20 GMT Message-ID: <57qv2c$380@news1-alterdial.uu.net> On 11/27/96, William F. Adams wrote: >Just out of curiousity, anyone running FreeHand 7 on WinNT under >OpenSTEP? >William I'm running Freehand 5.5 on NT4.0 intel and Virtuoso 2 on a NeXT cube. It works fine for me cross platform. I save files as FH4 from NT, but I have to have postscript fonts in the document. Then I open the file in Virtuoso under NS 3.2 and it opens fine. But I have to have the same fonts open on Nextstep. If you don't, it will ask you for font substitutions. If you bring across a document with true type, the page will be blank. NS 3.2 never heard of true type. Robert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9611301409.AA02893@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 15:09:57 +0100 Subject: Q: OS4.0 and NT4.0 on one disk - How does one start?? Hi there, you NeXTcore folks, I am perfectly sure, that you've heard this question before !! - But it did not find the right answer to it yet! How does one start to install both OPENSTEP 4.0 and WinNT 4.0 an a 2GB (Seagate ST12400N) system disk on a PC. I do want a 500 MB - first partion with OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach and a second 1.5GB partition for WinNT4.0 (with OPENSTEP for WinNT4.0 later on). So....... Do I start with the Openstep for Mach-CD and then later on install NT on the 2nd partition??? Any hints are brightly smiling welcome!!! - Thanx a whole lot in advance!!!! Pls. e-mail, I will summarize! Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 23:38:51 -0500 Subject: In Need of a Special NewsReader ability Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Here's the deal: 1) I have a local ISP (nerc.com) which gives me a local IP address when I connect via dynamic PPP 2) I have another shell account (peak.org) which I do not get an IP with. I dial into #1 and telnet to #2 to use their news machine, which is MUCH better than #1. However, I can't read news from my NeXT using #2's news machine because it sees that my IP is outside their range, and says [502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.] Well that makes sense, they don't want anyone else using their news server except their own customers. Except, I AM one of their customers (well, sorta... the account is free so I can work at the NeXT FTP site). So what I need (I guess) is some sort of "proxy" service (don't know if that is the right word for it) where I can read news from their machine via some real cool NeXTStep news app. I'd imagine I'd have to enter my username and password on machine #2. Does anyone know if this is possible with any of the newsreaders out there now? It would be really nice to be able to read news some other way than the commandline, which is all I can do at the present time. I like the commandline about as much as anyone I know, but I'd also like to be able to have my newsreader deal with the ever-growing crossposts, threading, etc etc. Someone suggested "slrn" but I really don't feel like learning a whole new way to do news at the commandline. Is this even a possibility, or am I outta my head? Thanks for the info TjL
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Q: NeXT & Unix - Viruses possible?? Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:35:31 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E1zv38.Eo2@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <586fjt$hmk@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> In article <586fjt$hmk@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In article <9612032115.AA01480@huelf.hamburg.com>, > Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> writes: > > > Are there Computer-Viruses possible on NeXT or other Unix-based > > systems (like Solaris........)??? > > Yes, but they are not very likely! > > > Can DOS/Windoze - Viruses survive or even bother under NEXTSTEP, > > once a infected DOS-Floppy has been (or still is being) mounted??? > > A Virus is a part of computer programm that has to executed to copy > itself! Just one word of warning... SoftPC _CAN_ and _DOES_ (ie I've seen it) catch DOS viruses as easily as a real machine. If you're using hdf files then it's simple to copy files from the infected hdf to teh NeXT file system (which is safe), and then make a new hdf. If you have the DOS partition of your harddisk mounted as D: in SoftPC then potentially that disk could become infected, and hence if you boot from the DOS partition (with real hardware!) the real machine could become infected (when running DOS). There's also the possibility that the virus could become confused by the NeXTStep partition which is also on the drive, and screw things up badly. I've never seen this happen though. SoftPC4.1 has code to detect programs which mess with the boot sector of the physical drive, and gives a warning. It also tries to protect against writes into the NeXT partition. $an
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: 6 Dec 1996 15:44:04 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <589f04$qgk@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <580v1n$1i7f@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> <5851v3$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> Aleksey Sudakov (zander@conextions.com) wrote: > neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) wrote: > >This poor nerdboy is considering buying an inexpensive Mac, and running > >it alongside his NeXT machine when developing Java. Not that expensive > >after all, and it provides you with the luxury of a second screen. > When did Mac become inexpensive? How about low-end PC with Linux or at least > Windblows? Because I'm not going to buy a MircoSoft operating system :-) Linux would be an option, but I'm inexperienced, and don't know how long it would take to install it. One thing I really love about Macs is that they are plug and play - and a used system can be bought for little money. Then again, waiting a little longer might get me an NC. Inexpensive, Java compliant, and *fast* (according to Sun, the picoJava processor will run Java apps at 50 times the speed of a P200) Best wishes, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: werner@success1.ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: X-Term Emulator? Date: 5 Dec 1996 22:58:23 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <587k2f$uul@salyko.cube.net> References: <32A6C82C.5F1F@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greg Schaaff <greg@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> wrote: >Does anyone know if there is an X-Windows emulator for Next. I am >running OpenStep 3.3 on Black. Yes, there are several ones, commercial and non-commercial. For myself, I'm running Mouse-X, both on my color and on my mono black station. It works fine. I think I got it from one of the freeware CDs like Nebula, Peanuts, Nova, but you should also find it on www servers like http://peanuts.leo.org Have Fun, Werner
From: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 6 Dec 1996 16:10:52 GMT Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> >delete your home directory. We have finally been able to nail down a >specific recipe for repeating this problem and it has just been fixed. >anticipate a new release available to all OpenWrite 2.x users will be >available by the middle of next week-check our ftp site You've got to hand it to the folks at Lighthouse. Imagine IBM or Microsoft admitting culpability for such a serious bug, and then getting a fix out the door in a few days. Few companies in the software biz have this kind of class. While we're dreaming, imagine what might-have-been if *NeXT* had treated their customers the way Lighthouse does. Now that's a dream worth dreaming... -- ---------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Psychology Dept. Univ. of Alberta Network manager, Web manager, and postmaster. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome) http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/staff_bios/gary.finley.htmld/
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: [Q] In the Quantrix, How can I find the page number? Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 03:47:15 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32A86A1A.59CD@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Q] In the Quantrix, How can I find the page number? In the Quantrix, When I try print the page which I working on, But I could not get the page number. So I must have printed the entire page. How can I fine the page number which I working on? I would like to print the pages which I want. Please give me some advice. Thanks, YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: bnd00796@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PPP Commencement? Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:55:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961206185500.NAA25227@ladder01.news.aol.com> Greetings fellow NeXT'ers, I need to know if I qualify for my degree in NeXT PPP2.2. I have FULLY set it all up (with the GREAT assistance of fellow newsgroup readers, whom, I must admit, I surely have caused to grow many grey hairs). I have d/l'ed gatekeeper, and I connect to my ISP. I hear the "gong" and the monitor window shows all of the necessary connection stats. Everything LOOKS great! Yet, When I run OmniWeb 2.0, I can't seem to connnect to any URL's. It just says "Connection to www.***.com...and eventually it just times out. Yet, the PPP connection is up and fine. Do I need to configure OminWeb so that it "knows" where the PPP signal is coming from (in my case, serial port a)?? Incidentally, I have a NeXT station mono, 25 Mhz, 100 Meg Hard Drive (yeah, I know) and 16 Megs of RAM (Can you say, "Internet Business Group, Inc.? Those of you who recently acquired NeXT stations at a cheap price, you'll understand...). Looking forward to my degree... Bill
From: jens (Jens Breitenborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Warning: Potential *nasty* bug in OpenWrite (Was: Trojan Horse or Bug?) Date: 5 Dec 1996 17:10:48 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bremen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <586vmo$89b@kohl.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu In <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> Michael Giddings wrote: > WARNING: Potential bug that may cause data serious data loss (everything in > your home directory)! > > [....] > > ***I would recommend that people refrain from using any of the book related > features of OpenWrite, and possibly refrain from using it at all, until there > is a definitive response from Lighthouse regarding this potential bug**** > > Unfortunately, this may be the final blow that causes me to go over to > Windoze and use MS-Word. Sad, I hope it doesn't come to that but it may . . > . > > Michael Giddings (my .signature got lost too) > I am using OpenWrite for a long time now. During the last 6 month I've written two mid-size book documents (my diploma thesis ~230 pages in 12 chapters and a manual ~ 150 pages in 11 chapters) using OpenWrite 2.1. Of course there are some (minor) bugs in OpenWrite - but I've never experience that kind of nightmare that you have described (Yes, I have renamed chapters several times ± and I've just tested it again without losing any files.) Which version of OpenWrite/OS do you use ? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jens Breitenborn mailto:jensb@MeVis.Uni-Bremen.DE http://WWW.MeVis.Uni-Bremen.de/~jensb
From: robertk@vermeer.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GS Corp ? - anyone know what happened to their apps ? Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:43:16 GMT Organization: "CARDEROCKDIV CDNSWC" Message-ID: <589pg4INN7ji@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Hi -- Just wondering what might have happened with GS Corp - and if anyone else has picked up the development or support of their software products - thanks Bob Kurhajetz
From: scott965@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocac Subject: Re: ****DO YOU WANT SOME EXTRA CASH, TRY THAT!!!!!!! Date: 1 Dec 1996 21:14:16 GMT Organization: none Distribution: inet Message-ID: <57ssf8$1mj@tkhut.sojourn.com> References: <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> this is a scam and it is illegal BEWARE In <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> "HAIKO" wrote: > Oh! My? $$$$ > THIS IS THE FAIREST MOST HONEST WAY I KNOW TO SHARE THE WEALTH! Hello! > (Save this file now...it will save you some time typing later if you > decide to try this) > Would you like to make thousands of dollars, quick, legally, with NO > CATCH? Then keep reading....please take five minutes to read this > article it will change your life, just like it did mine. It's true! > You can make up to or over $50,000 dollars in 4-6 weeks, maybe sooner! > I SWEAR I'M NOT LYING TO YOU, AND THIS IS NOT A SCAM! If you're > intrested, keep reading; if you're not, I apologize for wasting your > time. > Here we go. A little while back, I was browsing through these > newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to > this that said you could make thousands of dollars in weeks with only > an initial investment of $5! So, I thought, "Yeah, right, must be a > scam", but I was curious, like most of us , so I kept reading. Anyway, > it > said that you send $1 to each of the 5 names and addresses stated in the > article. You then place your own name and address in the article at > the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 > newsgroups (there are thousands). No catch, that was it! > So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I tried it. > I figured what have I got to lose except for 5 stamps and $5, right? > Well, guess what...within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! > I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it > another thought. But then money kept coming IN, tripling in size and > multiplying by 10-20 times the amount that I got the first week! In my > first week I made about 20 to 30 dollars. But by the end of the second > week, I had made a total of over $1,000!!!! In the third week, I had > over $10,000 dollars, and it's still growing. This is my fourth week > (Oct 11) and I've made about $42,000 TOTAL, and the money is still > coming in..... > Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it > works...also, make sure you print a copy of the article NOW, so you get > the informatoin off of it, and begin making money. > > The process is very simple, and it consists of 3 EASY steps: > > STEP 1: Get 5 seperate pieces of paper and write the following on each > sheet of paper..."PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. YOU ARE NUMBER > 4." Get five $1 bills and place ONE inside each piece of paper that > you just wrote on, and fold each piece of paper so the bill will not be > seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like to steal envelopes > with money in it will get yours). Put one paper inside the envelope > and seal it. Do the same for all 5. You should now have 5 envelopes > sealed, EACH have a piece of paper AND a $1 bill stuffed inside of the > paper. Make sure those words that were stated above are stated on each > paper. What you are doing is creating a service by this, this is > PERFECTLY LEGAL. Now then, mail the 5 envelopes with the paper and $1 > in each to the following 5 addresses: > > 1. H. H. , 435 Franklin TPA Apt 15 Mahwah, N.J. 07430 > 2. Bruce, P.O. BOX 63 4700 KEELE ST., NORTH YORK, ONTARIO, M3J 1P3 > 3. Meta Zupan, Dvorska vas 12, 4275 Begunje na Gorenjskem, Slovenia > 4. P.DEBOUZY, 9 rue des Lavandieres, 78530 BUC, FRANCE > 5. Nicholas Portmann, Vettersstrasse 54, Z.105, PLZ 09126, Chemnitz, > Germany > > STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the > other 4 names up (5 becoming 4, 4 becoming 3, ect.) and put YOUR NAME > as number 5 on the list. You can slightly alter this article if you need > to, editing what you need to edit. > > STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least > 200 news groups ( I think there are close to 18,000 of them). All you > need is say, at least 200. HOW TO DO THIS: If you have Netscape 3.0 > do EXACTLY the following: > > 1) Click on any news group like normal, THEN click on 'TO NEWS', which > is on the far left when you're in the newsgroups page. This will bring > up a box to type a message in. > > 2) Leave the newsgroup box like it is, CHANGE the subject box to > something flashy, like, "NEED CASH $$$ READ HERE $$$" or "FAST CASH"!!! > > 3) Tab once and you should be ready to type. Now, retype (only once) > THIS whole article WORD FOR WORD, except to insert your name at #5, and > to remove #1 off the list, plus any other small changes you think you > need to make. Keep almost all of it the SAME! > > 4) When you're done typing the WHOLE article, click on FILE in THIS > BOX, RIGHT ABOUVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST > BOX. Click on SAVE AS when you're under FILE. Save you artcle as a > text file to your C: or A: drive. DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE > UNTIL YOU DO THIS. Once saved, move on to number 5 below. > > 5) If you still have all of your text, send or post to this newsgroup > now by just clicking send, which is right below FILE, and right above > Cc: . > > 6)Here's where you're going to post all 200. OK, click on any news > group then click on 'TO NEWS', again in the top left corner. Leave the > NEWSGROUPS BOX alone again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT > BOX, hit TAB once you're in the body of the message, and then click on > ATTACHMENTS, which is below the SUBJECT BOX. You will get another box > to come up. Click on ATTACH FILE, then find YOUR file that you saved; > click once on the file, and then click OPEN' now click on OK; if you did > this right, you should see your file name in the attachments box, and > it will be shaded green. > > IF YOU USE IE EXPLORER IT'S JUST AS EASY...HOLDING DOWN THE LEFT MOUSE > BUTTON, HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRESS THE "CRTL" KEY AND THE "C" > KEY AT THE SAME TIME TO COPY THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR > YOUR RECORDS TO HAVE THE NAMES OF THOSE YOU WILL BE SENDING $1 BILLS > TO. NEXT GO TO THE NEWS GROUPS AND PRESS "POST AN ARTICLE" A WINDOW > WILL OPEN. TYPE IN YOUR HEADLINE IN THE SUBJECT AREA AND THEN CLICK IN > THE LARGE WINDOW BELOW. PRESS "CRTL" AND THEN "V" AND THE ARTICLE WILL > BE PLACED IN THE WINDOW. IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE, DO SO AND > THEN HIGHLIGHT AND COPY IT AGAIN. NOW EVERYTIME YOU POST THE ARTICLE > > IN > A NEW NEWSGROUP ALL YOU HAVE TO REPEAT "CTRL" AND "V" AND PRESS POST. > > 7)That's it. Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a > different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups, > you see? Now you just have 199 to go!! (Don't worry, each one takes > about 30 seconds, once you get used to it) REMEMBER 200 IS THE MINIMUM. > The more you post the more money you will make. > > AND THAT'S IT!!! THAT'S THE ONLY 3 STEPS THERE IS!!! > > You are now in the mail order business and will start recieving your $1 > envelopes from various people all over the world within days. HINT THE > MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE. You may want > to rent a PO Box eventually because of all the mail. If you wish to > stay anonymous, you can come up with a name, such as "manager" or > "investor". Just make sure all the addresses are CORRECT, please. > > LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORK!!!! > > Out of every 200 postings, let's say I ONLY recieve 5 replies, which is > actually VERY LOW. So I made 5 dollars with my name at #5. Now then, > each person who just sent me $1 makes, say only 200 postings, now with > your name at number 4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not including > yours too. 50 people send you $1 now; thats $50 you just made! Now, > then your new 50 agents post 200 each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3, OR > 10,000 POSTING (50x200). Average return is 500 at $1 each is $500. > They make 200 postings, which is 5,000 returns at $1 each, which is > $5000 dollars! And finally, 5000 people make 200 postings wach with > YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1. YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE YOUR NAME > DROPS OFF THE LIST. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE MAKES 200 POSTINGS ONLY, > AND IF ONLY 5 PERSONS RESPOND!!!!! > When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest > posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, and SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 TO > THE NAMES ON THE LIST, PUTTING YOUR NAME AT 5 AGAIN. And start posting > again. The thing to remember is, do you realize that THOUSANDS OF > PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE JOINING THE INTERNET AND READING THESE > ARTICLES EVERY DAY, JUST LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW!!! So can afford $5 > dollars and see if it really works? I think so..... > People have said, "What if the plan is played out and no one > sends you > the money?" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there > are TONS OF NEW HONEST USERS AND NEW HONEST PEOPLE who are joining the > Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? > Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with THOUSANDS > of those joing the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY > and this WILL WORK, I PROMISE YOU!!! You just have to be honest. Make > sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also, try to keep a list of > everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the mnewsgroups > to make sure everyone is playing fairly. REMEMBER, HONESTY IS THE BEST > POLICY. YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!! GOOD > LUCK TO ALL AND PLEASE PLAY FAIRLY AND YOU WILL REAP THE HUGE REWARDS > FROM THIS, WHICH IS TONS OF EXTRA CASH!!! > **By the way, if you try to decieve people by posting the > > messages with > your name on the list and not sending the money to the people already > > on > the list, you will not get much. Someone I talKed to knew someone who > did that and he only made $150 dollars, and that's AFTER seven or eight > weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1 bills, people added him to their lists, > and in 4-5 weeks, he had over $10K. > THIS IS THE FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE > WEALTH OF THE WORLD WITHOUT COSTING ANYTHING BUT OUR TIME!!! > . > > > > > > > > > > > >
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Warning: Potential *nasty* bug in OpenWrite (Was: Trojan Horse or Bug?) Date: 6 Dec 1996 23:31:20 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Distribution: world Message-ID: <58aac8$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> <586vmo$89b@kohl.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Cc: jens In <586vmo$89b@kohl.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Jens Breitenborn wrote: > > I am using OpenWrite for a long time now. During the last 6 month I've > written two mid-size book documents (my diploma thesis ~230 pages in > 12 chapters and a manual ~ 150 pages in 11 chapters) using OpenWrite 2.1. > Of course there are some (minor) bugs in OpenWrite - but I've never > experience that kind of nightmare that you have described (Yes, I have > renamed chapters several times ± and I've just tested it again > without losing any files.) > > Which version of OpenWrite/OS do you use ? > > > I was using version 2.1. However, the woman I talked to at Lighthouse said she thought it affected all versions back to 1.x. BTW - Lighthouse has publicly acknowledged that this bug DOES exist, I think they posted to c.s.n.software or something like that. I'd say you're very lucky it never struck you, luckier than I was. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 6 Dec 1996 23:48:00 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Cc: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca In <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Gary Finley wrote: > You've got to hand it to the folks at Lighthouse. Imagine IBM or > Microsoft admitting culpability for such a serious bug, and then > getting a fix out the door in a few days. Few companies in the > software biz have this kind of class. > I'm a bit more cynical. It is apparent that other people have encountered this bug from mail I've recieved and from a few postings in c.s.n.bugs. And the person from Lighthouse stated it existed in versions back to 1.x. It's strange that a bug this critical and devastating had escaped them up until just two weeks ago. I have lost critical data and even more critical time because of this bug. I can't even begin to imagine the lawsuits if Microsoft or IBM distributed a program that wiped out *all* files in all their users' home directories! From other experiences with Lighthouse I'd say they seemed like good folk. However, in this case it is hard to say to say that I'm very pleased, since I think Lighthouse should have been aware of this bug long ago, and also should have notified users *by every means possible, as soon as it was discovered*, that this bug exists. Whether or not it was only two weeks ago that they found out about it, even if they didn't know the details of what caused it, they could have warned registered users to take safety precautions when using OpenWrite. They did not. Further, they should still make that effort *now*. Rather than just a single posting to c.s.n.software, they should email users and post to c.s.n.announce, and also put something on the web site, at minimum. Let me repeat: this bug is *SERIOUS*! I wouldn't be surprised if others have been bitten by this bug and didn't even know what caused it. I certainly had no idea until it happened to me the second time! Lighthouse did make the effort to call me yesterday and give consolation, at least. That was good. But it doesn't come close to making up for the lost data and time, and the agony over not being able to meet the deadline for my Ph.D. prelim because of this bug. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: jonas@eunet.si (Jonas Znidarsic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to connect via ISDN on Intel hardware? Date: 6 Dec 1996 23:57:45 GMT Organization: Academic and Research Network of Slovenia Message-ID: <58abtp$oo5@cmir.arnes.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a driver for any ISDN card out there? Is the only way to connect to Internet service provider via an ISDN router? Is it possible to use a ISDN card on Intel machine with NextStep? -- *** Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? *** Jonas Znidarsic http://www.jonas.eunet.si mailto:jonas@eunet.si
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Just got my 4.1 CD's Date: 7 Dec 1996 01:28:00 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <58ah71$g5g@majipoor.cygnus.com> I installed it on my Sparc at work today.. 8 bit color. (note: I have the academic bundle) First impressions (I upgraded from 3.3).. 1) Radical News' windows look funky now. They used to have this smooth graduated grey to purple tone across them (like the Doc icon backgrounds, but instead of light grey to dark grey, light grey to dark purple). I don't know if it's because of the screen compression or what, but the shading is now horribly dis-colored. It's jaggy and blocky instead of smoothe.. and the color transitions are _anything_ but smoothe. It could also be a new color dithering algorythm, or something..but Next has changed something for the worse here (I'm getting a similar problem in my Fiend screen background.. which is a wallac and grommit picture.. so it's definitely not something on the part of the application itself). 2) the new box is not the old polished box they used to send out.. it's a generic grey box with scant black printing on it. I liked the 3.x box MUCH more. 3) the box contents are a bit nicer.. it has an intro to developer stuff, and an intro to EOF. Unfortunately, the user guide isn't in there. I did get the quick start guide and power tipps booklets in both English and German though. The app preferences didn't all come through ok.. some windows start up in different places.. Fiend's dock icon has disappeared for some reason.. my default application menu doesn't automatically put itself off the screen (I move it all the way down by the corner of the recycler.. so you can only see 1 pixel of it, and then rely on the pop-up menu exclusively).. some apps seem to have forgotten where things like that belong (Fiend forgot where the doc belongs), and workspace forgot where I put my console and what size I have it set to. I haven't had time to find out if there are any major problems. But if anyone can tell me what's up with #1, I'd _really_ like to know. John -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: "Dirk P. Fromhein" <Dirk.Fromhein@watershed.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 14:00:48 -0500 Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Message-ID: <32A86D60.7910@watershed.com> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well one thing that has not been mentioned here is running OpenStep on Solaris 2.5.1. (go to www.sun.com and look under research and development) We just started doing this and it is very cool! (it will run with any window manager, and there is also a oswm that looks like NeXSTEP). I think it is currently only for SPARC machines, but I imagine it will be released for x86 Solaris soon. And under Solaris you will always have the latest java development stuff. (we just got the SMP ready version of java for Solaris). Face it NeXTSTEP is dead. Cheers, Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com
From: Gerald Wildgruber <gewil@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OmniWeb: Attempted read off end of buffer... ? Date: 07 Dec 1996 08:20:03 +0100 Organization: Apatheia Corp. Sender: gewil@ue801be Distribution: world Message-ID: <x7enh2izx8.fsf@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> It happens rather often that OmniWeb (ver 2.1.1 on NeXT Intel 3.3) stopps in the middle of loading Web pages mostly with inlaid images, the message "Attempted read off end of buffer..." showing in the message area. Is this du to a problem on the server side or else to some settings of the client? Thanks for answers Gerald -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gerald Wildgruber No one can have an idea gewil@ue801be.ppp. once he starts really lrz-muenchen.de listening. - John Cage (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
From: "Mark Bessey" <MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT & Unix - Viruses possible?? Date: 4 Dec 1996 20:20:36 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbe222$2b497360$3e031281@bananajr> References: <9612032115.AA01480@huelf.hamburg.com> Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote in article <9612032115.AA01480@huelf.hamburg.com>... > Hi NeXT folks! > > Are there Computer-Viruses possible on NeXT or other Unix-based > systems (like Solaris........)??? Certainly possible. It's unlikely that a virus program would spread very far on a UNIX system, unless it was installed or run by the root user. You should always try out new programs as an unprivileged user. And never install anything setuid root unless you have the source code (and can understand it!). > and > > Can DOS/Windoze - Viruses survive or even bother under NEXTSTEP, > once a infected DOS-Floppy has been (or still is being) mounted??? Well, if you're running SoftPC, I suppose that a DOS virus could spread to all the DOS programs in your SoftPC virtual hard disk. -Mark
From: gehlert@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Some Questions about the ModleMan and the 3DKit-Utility Date: 4 Dec 1996 17:12:16 GMT Organization: TU Dresden (URZ) Message-ID: <584bdg$9km@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> In the last time I dealt with the Modle Man and with the 3DKit-Classes in order to create 3 dimensional Objects on the screen. The description about these objects used by this programm is situated in the RenderMan Comapnion. I retrieved this information from the help file, but I havn't found this companion so far. Can you help me to find this file?? Another problem by using the 3DKit-Library is to select such an object in the space by clicking the mouse. I know that is a little bit complicated, but I hope that some of you have a solution about this problem. Thanks for help! Andreas E-Mail: gehlert@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de
From: gehlert@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Icons Date: 4 Dec 1996 17:19:07 GMT Organization: TU Dresden (URZ) Message-ID: <584bqb$9km@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> I work on a project and have to deal with NXImages, but we have the problem to load a extern image from the hard drive without including in the recent project. The functions "initFromFile" and "loadFromFile" don't have an effect. Can anybody in the wide world help me?? Thanks for help! Andreas
From: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain FAUCONNET) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba Config? Date: 4 Dec 96 22:04:33 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.849737073@iaka> References: <01bbe1b2$d7192c00$9fc960ce@blessing> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Mark A. Doucet" <madoucet@dominion-tech.com> writes: >I am running Nextstep 3.3 and would like to know if anyone out there is >sharing the NeXT laser printer with a windows 95 ? If so could you email >me your smb.conf file. I've tried this every way that I know but when I >try to print from windows to my NeXT laser it keeps asking me for a >password. I enter the only password that I know but it keeps giving me an >error. Any help would be appreciated. >Mark A. Doucet >madoucet@dominion-tech.com Your [printers] paragraph should include the following: [printers] public = yes printable = yes path = /tmp And you should define a special account that can NOT be used for logging in (sometimes "nobody" works, but not always). I defined a "pcguest" account that has its own group, a "*" in the password field (edit using Netinfo Manager or niload/nidump) and /bin/false as shell. Then in the [global] paragraph, define it as follows: [global] (...more stuff...) guest account = pcguest (...more stuff...) Hope that helps, _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Medical Computing Research Labs Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Tel: (+33) (0)1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) (0)1-45-86-80-68 I've RTFMed. It says: "Refer to your system administrator" But... I *am* the system administrator :-]
From: magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca (Francois Magnan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: In Need of a Special NewsReader ability Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:30:13 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <58c9j5$4de@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> References: <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG> <57vvkh$3ot@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <57vvkh$3ot@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> On 12/02/96, Nathan M. Urban wrote: >In article <199612010439.UAA23529@PEAK.ORG>, Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > >> 1) I have a local ISP (nerc.com) which gives me a local IP address >> when I connect via dynamic PPP >> 2) I have another shell account (peak.org) which I do not get an IP with. > >> I dial into #1 and telnet to #2 to use their news machine, which is >> MUCH better than #1. However, I can't read news from my NeXT using >> #2's news machine because it sees that my IP is outside their >> range, > >Hmm, so let me get this straight: The NNTP server at peak.org does not >like IP addresses outside its domain, so the only way you can read news >from that server is to log in to a shell account there and read from >there. If so, I think I can help you. > >> So what I need (I guess) is some sort of "proxy" service (don't >> know if that is the right word for it) where I can read news from >> their machine via some real cool NeXTStep news app. I'd imagine I'd >> have to enter my username and password on machine #2. > >You can run a proxy daemon or two. Suppose there are two machines at >peak.org, 'shell.peak.org' (the one you have a shell account on), and >'news.peak.org' with the NNTP server. (Maybe they're the same >machine.) There is also your NeXT at 'next.mydomain'. > >There are two cases: > >1) If your NEXTSTEP newsreader gives you the ability to change what >port it looks for an NNTP server on (doubtful, but maybe), then you're >in luck. In this case, you would first run a proxy daemon on >'shell.peak.org' like so: > > proxyd 10119 news.peak.org nntp >or > proxyd 10119 news.peak.org 119 >(if 'shell' doesn't have the 'nntp' service defined in /etc/services) > >Then you would configure your NEXTSTEP newsreader to use >'shell.peak.org' on port 10119 (nonprivileged, of course) as your news >server, and the proxy daemon would automatically pass requests through >to 'news.peak.org' on port 119. > >(If your newsreader has port 119 hardcoded in, you may actually be able >to work around it.. if you edit /etc/services on your computer and >change the port for the 'nntp' service to 10119, then if the newsreader >tries to open a socket by that service name instead of by port number >first, then it _should_ work.. but probably it would just try the port >number directly since it is well-known.) > >2) If your NEXTSTEP newsreader will only look on port 119, then you need >to use two proxies. Run a proxy daemon on 'shell' as in (1). Then run >a proxy daemon on YOUR machine, 'next.mydomain', as follows: > > proxyd 119 shell.peak.org 10119 > >(This command must be run as root so as to be able to bind to the >privileged port 119.) > >Then configure your newsreader to use YOUR machine as the news server. >It will connect to port 119 on your computer as expected, which will >get passed through to port 10119 on shell.peak.org, which will get >passed through to port 119 on news.peak.org. > >In case you haven't figured it out, the syntax for invoking the proxy >daemon is "proxyd [local-port] [remote-host] [remote-port|remote-service]". > >If you're running a proxy daemon on your computer, you can just have it >run automatically from /etc/rc.local every time you boot. If the admin >on 'shell.peak.org' is nice, you'll be able to run the proxyd there in >the background all the time as a nohup'ed job; otherwise, you'll have >to log in there and run it manually every time you want to read news. > >Security problem: ANYONE can then connect to port 10119 of >'shell.peak.org' and get NNTP service. The admins might not like >that. So I'd pick some really random nonprivileged port number instead >of 10119 (since everyone on this newsgroup would try that first) and >use that instead. Security through obscurity. There's no nice way I >know of to put password protection in. As an additional precaution, >you could have the proxy daemon running on 'shell' only during the times >you are reading news, and kill it when you're done. > >So, I bet your next question is, "where can I get this magical >software"? Proxyd is a trivial little daemon (386 lines of source), >and I have an implementation written by a CS major at my university. I >can NeXTmail it to you if you can receive NeXTmail at luomat@peak.org >(or some other address, I suppose). (I'd put it up for anonymous FTP >on my gateway machine but I don't have that set up currently.. >sorry.. I really should get around to fixing that. Hmm. Maybe I >should just post the source and Makefile to this newsgroup.) > >The guy who wrote proxyd actually has a newer version available for >anon FTP (in ftp://ftp.mal.com/pub/proxy/), but it's so spruced up that >it requries Tcl and expect (it has the ability to automatically log in >to things and telnet out from there and stuff like that, I think), as >well as TCP wrappers. It also apparently wants to run under its own >account. Way overkill for my needs, and I always have bad luck with >expect (though I haven't tried to get it working specifically on a >NEXTSTEP machine yet). So I just use the trivial little first-run >version 0.1. Very reliable. I assume that since he puts the later >version up for FTP he wouldn't have a problem with me distributing his >first one. >-- >Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech > This is maybe the best solution (above). I have another solution I use myself. You say you don't have an IP at peak.org but you can fake your NeXT to think you have one. Install Slirp (slip/ppp emulator) on your peak account and connect into the peak account with ppp when you want to read the news on your NeXT. Simple enough? Maybe it isn't very pleasant for you to have two different ppp server. François -- ______________________________________________________ Francois Magnan Departement de Mathematique & Statistiques Universite de Montreal email: magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca (MIME, NeXTMail Ok!)
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Nov Quiz - results Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:32:34 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58c9nj$e2a@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, the SSS November quiz has finished. 53 contestants had sent in the correct answer, and the 5 winners are drawn. For the results as well as for the official quiz answer, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Thanks to all of you for participating! Cheers, - Stefan PS: the ***SSS Christmas Quiz*** will start early this week. Don't miss it! -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenBSD/NeXT68k Date: 04 Dec 1996 13:42:05 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7g21mm1g2.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Well, now that PacBell finally figured out how to install an ISDN line, I'm starting to get the development team together. If you've emailed me before, please do so again. PacBell seems to love partial transit. Refresher: This is about porting OpenBSD (http://www.openbsd.org/) to NeXT black hardware. .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: cmckee@i-link.net (Casey McKee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help - Mail.app problem Date: 7 Dec 1996 18:59:03 GMT Organization: I-Link Inc Message-ID: <58cepn$126e@news.i-link.net> I posted this question recently and received no replies, so I thought I would try again. In the past few weeks, Mail.app has been exhibiting some new and strange (to me) behavior. When I try to forward a set of MIME e-mail messages (no attachments) as one e-mail message to someone, Mail.app terminates with the following console messages: [Mail: Caught signal #11; terminating safely] [Mail: Autosaving drafts...] If I send the forwarded message as plain text, this never happens. Several times since this behavior started, it has stopped, and I have been able once again to send the message as MIME, but today the crashing has resurfaced. Is this some change on my system, or a variable state of affairs at my ISP? How can I tell which, and, how can I correct it? I am using GateKeeper 2.0/ppp-2.2-0.4.6 with a modem connection to my ISP. TIA, Casey McKee cmckee@i-link.net NeXTMail encouraged
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: 4 Dec 1996 23:37:07 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5851v3$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <580v1n$1i7f@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) wrote: >> What's a poor nerdgrrl to do? $#@$#@$#@$@$ > >This poor nerdboy is considering buying an inexpensive Mac, and running >it alongside his NeXT machine when developing Java. Not that expensive >after all, and it provides you with the luxury of a second screen. When did Mac become inexpensive? How about low-end PC with Linux or at least Windblows? > (1) anybody got kaffe to run though? I did and I'm happy with it. My MonoStation fly high. Aleksey
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Connecting to ftp -n next-ftp Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:41:54 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961204144020.13846J-100000@kira> References: <58176s$b9g@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: rwakeman@thoughtport.com In-Reply-To: <58176s$b9g@news1-alterdial.uu.net> It works just fine for me. You might want to try ncftp: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/ncftp/ncftp.2.3.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz let me know if you still have problems with ftp -n (or if others are) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:38:06 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961204143715.13846I-100000@kira> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: patricia@theory.caltech.edu In-Reply-To: <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> You can find the latest version of OmniWeb at ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5/ go there and pick your arch. TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WTB:VirtSpace Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:56:56 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961204145622.13846K-100000@kira> References: <1996Dec3.072337.25765@roper.uwyo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: norbert pirzkal <nor@panoramix.uwyo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1996Dec3.072337.25765@roper.uwyo.edu> Have you tried the FREE app that does the same thing? ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.README TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Joseph McWilliams <mcwilljg@euler.sfasu.edu> Subject: Help - interpret error message Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961204171655.10432A-100000@euler> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:28:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got the following error message in the Console window after attempting to run ImageViewer in OS4.0 on a m68k. Can someone give me a simple explanation? ================================================== Dec 4 17:13:33 zephyr ImageViewer[299]: An uncaught exception was raised Dec 4 17:13:33 zephyr ImageViewer[299]: Typed streams library error: NXReadObject: inconsistency between written data and read: ====================================================== The machine also spins forever when I try to start up Background.app and it must be killed to get rid of it. Are there problems with older apps written for NS that might make them incompatible with OS? Or are there problems with OS and a m68k?
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to connect via ISDN on Intel hardware? Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:09:12 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec7.230912.24020@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <58abtp$oo5@cmir.arnes.si> In article <58abtp$oo5@cmir.arnes.si> jonas@eunet.si (Jonas Znidarsic) writes: > Is there a driver for any ISDN card out there? Is the only way to connect to > Internet service provider via an ISDN router? Is it possible to use > a ISDN card on Intel machine with NextStep? I haven't used an ISDN card, but have used all of the ZyXEL TAs and routers for ISDN (we are their UK distributor). Works fine with NeXTSTEP to connect to BBSes (e.g. Compuserve) and ISPs with PPP over V120, etc. ISDN cards should be the same (at least active ones should be). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP-like "Dock" app for WinNT/95? Date: 4 Dec 1996 23:29:44 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5851h8$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> References: <56q4pl$fte@filth.well.com> <01bbdbeb$08a30700$531443a4@lunatic-fringe> <57v18l$sk@news.istar.ca> >> I have NT 4.0 Workstation and would love to have the NEXTSTEP-style >> app dock (I'd pay good money to have the equivalent of NEXTMAIL for NT >> too... Eudora is horrible). If you run OpenStep on Windows and still have Mach machines around you could -NSHost Mail.app. It's awesome. Not only Mail.app but all other great NeXTSTEP software. Regards. Aleksey (using Alexandra on his NT machine...)
From: jkheit@cnj.digex.net (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New Net apps (for me anyway) Date: 8 Dec 1996 00:18:37 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc. Message-ID: <58d1gt$9eh@news3.digex.net> Hi all, First, I'm trying out the new HNNews for a bit...generally looks pretty promising...Check out the latest version .91 beta... But what I think is a REALLY kool app, is just a demo by the netsurfer folks. It's called Communication (I've had to rename it to GUI_Talk.app so when I drop my link, GateKeeper doesn't quit out of everything in my /LocalApps/Communication directory :). Anyway, it's a lot like your regular shell talk app, but in a gui. The nice thing though, if you have it launched at startup, people can 'ring' you and you'll hear (which wont happen with the shell talk unless you first make Terminal.app active). Also, you can pass files back and forth to one another as you talk, I've used it in conjunction with lipservice in mail app for some real simple 'voice' talking. Check it out, it's free :) And on the netsurfer ftp site. Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Warning: Potential *nasty* bug in OpenWrite (Was: Trojan Horse or Bug?) Date: 8 Dec 1996 00:26:09 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <58d1v1$9ts@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> <586vmo$89b@kohl.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <58aac8$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> In-Reply-To: <58aac8$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> >BTW - Lighthouse has publicly acknowledged that this bug DOES exist, I think >they posted to c.s.n.software or something like that. > Ok, I am no programming guru, but I'd say that this bug ought to be extremely easy to purge! Come on, what would it take to find the line that has the rm command and modify it? I'd say a new version of OpenWrite could and should be made available immediately if all this is true. Lighthouse? -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu
From: randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Warning: Potential *nasty* bug in OpenWrite (Was: Trojan Horse or Bug?) Date: 8 Dec 1996 00:31:37 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <58d299$9vh@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> <586vmo$89b@kohl.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <58aac8$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58d1v1$9ts@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In-Reply-To: <58d1v1$9ts@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Posted the following before seeing Lighthouse's response. Looks like a new release will be forthcoming. Thanks, LH. rj On 12/07/96, Randy Jackson wrote: > >>BTW - Lighthouse has publicly acknowledged that this bug DOES >exist, I think >>they posted to c.s.n.software or something like that. >> > > >Ok, I am no programming guru, but I'd say that this bug ought to >be extremely easy to purge! Come on, what would it take to find the >line that has the rm command and modify it? I'd say a new version >of OpenWrite could and should be made available immediately if all >this is true. > >Lighthouse? > > > > >-- > Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o > __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, > _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | >(*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, > FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu > -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Q: NeXT & Unix - Viruses possible?? Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:11:32 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8mdW54a00Uh7M2fqJ9@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <9612032115.AA01480@huelf.hamburg.com> In-Reply-To: <9612032115.AA01480@huelf.hamburg.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 3-Dec-96 Q: NeXT & Unix - Viruses po.. by Stefan Huelf@huelf.hambu > Are there Computer-Viruses possible on NeXT or other Unix-based > systems (like Solaris........)??? Almost anything is theoretically possible, but for all practical intents and purposes, no-- Unix systems don't get infected by viruses. The filesystem and process protections mean that a virus could not infect any of the system files unless the virus was run as root, anyway. Unix systems are somewhat vulnerable to trojan horses and worms, but again, a well-administered system tends to have enough protection built in to prevent serious damage from taking place. However, if you've got an Intel PC which dual-boots into (for example) Windows and NEXTSTEP, it's possible for the system to be infected with a boot-sector virus while it was running Windows, and that might or might not be able to screw things up when booting into NEXTSTEP. > and > > Can DOS/Windoze - Viruses survive or even bother under NEXTSTEP, > once a infected DOS-Floppy has been (or still is being) mounted??? They will still be around on the floppy, and on any files that were copied from the floppy, but they will not run or infect anything under NEXTSTEP. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Greg Schaaff <greg@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: X-Term Emulator? Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:03:40 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <32A6C82C.5F1F@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there is an X-Windows emulator for Next. I am running OpenStep 3.3 on Black. Thanks -- ______________________________________________________ T. G. Schaaff greg@nxs.gatech.edu School of Physics Georgia Institute of Technology Phone: (404) 894-6814 837 State St. FAX: (404) 894-9958 Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0430 http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~ts84/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: fugue@ccp.spc.uchicago.edu Subject: gcc for 3.2? Message-ID: <ukvzpzt22il.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:39:14 GMT Is there anyplace to get gcc binaries that will run on 3.2 black? Thanks, Mark -- fugue "The police used to watch over the people. Now they're watching the people."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: missing posix (functions) in OPENSTEP4.0 Message-ID: <1996Dec4.092953.47172@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch Date: 4 Dec 96 09:29:53 MET I've seen may queries on this subject, but no answeres. I'm trying to compile a posix complient program under OPENSTEP4.0 on an Intel box, but the linker can't see (some) posix libraries. I'm compiling with the option -posix set. An example message: /bin/ld: for architecture m68k /bin/ld: Undefined symbols: _setsid _waitpid *** Exit 1 But even a very simple program calling getcwd() will fail with a similar message. (Yes, I wanted to verify the readdir bug. Readdir is found, but always returns NULL!) I'm sure someone has solved the problem? Thanks for your time, Robert Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT,MIME mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: "Craig G. Andersen" <andersen@fastlane.net> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.smb,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba 1.9.16p9 and NEXTSTEP 3.3p1 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 19:48:30 -0600 Organization: Nexus Technology Message-ID: <32AA1E6E.6B6A@fastlane.net> References: <57iauf$drg@venus.mcs.net> <57jfl7$hjq@olcs.olcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have similar problems with NextStep 3.3 and when I built it with -lposix to get the waitpid, you can see how well it processes 'dir or ls' entries. This needs some work. Craig nexus6[root] 5: smbclient '\\nexus6\guest' Added interface ip=192.168.0.100 bcast=192.168.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Server time is Sat Dec 7 19:25:22 1996 Timezone is UTC-6.0 Password: Domain=[MYGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 1.9.16p9] smb: \> dir D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 D 0 Sat Dec 7 18:09:31 1996 43192 blocks of size 8192. 3502 blocks available smb: \> quit
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: New Net apps (for me anyway) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:12:18 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961207181115.20049B-100000@kira> References: <58d1gt$9eh@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> In-Reply-To: <58d1gt$9eh@news3.digex.net> > But what I think is a REALLY kool app, is just a demo by the netsurfer > folks. It's called Communication (I've had to rename it to GUI_Talk.app > so when I drop my link, GateKeeper doesn't quit out of everything in my > /LocalApps/Communication directory :). > > Check it out, it's free :) And on the netsurfer ftp site. I looked for it at ftp.netsurfer.com but couldn't find it. Mind telling me where you found it ? Thanks! Sounds cool TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612071607.IAA13396@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 11:06:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for NeXT Supplies Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com, ack@skylee.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Tom Reminga <webmaster@q-net.pair.com> Original Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:32:09 -0700 > If you know how to use a NEXT Computer I would like your E-Mail > address for future questions. Well, you will find that the NeXT (note the lowercase "e" ;-) newsgroups are the best places to find answers, and fairly quickly. There are two major FTP sites for freeware/shareware: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next located in Oregon USA ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next located in Munich Germany I've tried to put together my own web page to help people find certain software, etc for the NeXT. Go to the page in my .sig and it should be easy enough to find.... TjL ps -- there's a new CD-ROM collection of NeXT shareware and freeware schedule for release very soon (couple of weeks). Contact ack@skylee.com about the "Big Green CD set". The Peanuts site also has its own CD-ROM, and a new version should be out soon. The Nebula CD-ROM is a 2 disk set that came out in July 96.You can also find information on all the CD-ROMs available for NeXTStep from my web page. -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612071616.IAA13891@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 11:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: OmniWeb: Attempted read off end of buffer... ? Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Gerald Wildgruber <gewil@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> Original Date: 07 Dec 1996 08:20:03 +0100 Message-ID: > It happens rather often that OmniWeb (ver 2.1.1 on NeXT Intel 3.3) > stopps in the middle of loading Web pages mostly with inlaid > images, the message "Attempted read off end of buffer..." showing > in the message area. Is this du to a problem on the server side or > else to some settings of the client? Don't know what the problem is, but I would try the newest version of OmniWeb ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5/OmniWeb.2.1.5.I.tar.gz (same file as) ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/OmniWeb.2.1.5.I.tar.gz [other archs also available, as well as QuadFat] TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612071645.IAA15336@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199612070505.AAA24058@Viaduct.COM> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 11:45:15 -0500 Subject: upsdaemon ( Re: Looking for: software to control UPS for NS ) Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: <199612070505.AAA24058@Viaduct.COM> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Eric Litman <Eric_Litman@Viaduct.COM> Original Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:05:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199612070505.AAA24058@Viaduct.COM> > Get upsdaemon off the archives. A UPS will raise DCD (I think) when > it's on battery - it's that simple. Do you know what kind of UPS-es it works with? Any experiences with this appreciated.... thanks TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612071610.IAA13582@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 11:10:15 -0500 Subject: Re: PPP Commencement? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: bnd00796@aol.com Original Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:55:25 GMT > Yet, When I run OmniWeb 2.0, I can't seem to > connnect to any URL's. It just says "Connection to > www.***.com...and eventually it just times out. Yet, the PPP > connection is up and fine. Do I need to configure OminWeb so that > it "knows" where the PPP signal is coming from (in my case, serial > port a)?? No. If PPP is running, OmniWeb "just knows". Try to "ping" the web sites and see what ping tells you. Try "traceroute" also (don't use traceroute a lot, it causes a relatively heavy load on the machines it hits) > Incidentally, I have a NeXT station mono, 25 Mhz, 100 Meg > Hard Drive (yeah, I know) and 16 Megs of RAM (Can you say, > "Internet Business Group, Inc.? Those of you who recently acquired > NeXT stations at a cheap price, you'll understand...). > > Looking forward to my degree... what is the Internet Business Group and what degree are you talking about? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: american@mail.tds.net (Charles C. Hocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba Config? Date: 5 Dec 1996 03:24:06 GMT Organization: TDS Telecom - Madison, WI Message-ID: <585f8m$56c@news2.tds.net> References: <01bbe1b2$d7192c00$9fc960ce@blessing> In-Reply-To: <01bbe1b2$d7192c00$9fc960ce@blessing> On 12/03/96, "Mark A. Doucet" wrote: >I am running Nextstep 3.3 and would like to know if anyone out >there is sharing the NeXT laser printer with a windows 95 ? If >so could you email me your smb.conf file. I've tried this every >way that I know but when I try to print from windows to my NeXT >laser it keeps asking me for a password. I enter the only password >that I know but it keeps giving me an error. Any help would be >appreciated. > >Mark A. Doucet madoucet@dominion-tech.com > I found that to use my printer (HP 5MP) attached to my NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP system, I had to also write a short shell script program to remove the extra JCL commands that Windoze NT 3.51 & 4.0 inserts into their generated PostScript code. Charles ------------------------- The shell script follows: ------------------------- #!/bin/sh # # This shell script is used with Samba to strip out the additional # control characters that the Window's NT print driver inserts to # switch the printer from HP's PJL to PostScript. This script was # orginally written for the HP 5MP printer but, should work with # and HP PostScript printer. NOTE--this script removes the file after # printing the specified file! # # To execute the script enter: "printNT filename" # # Written: 10 Nov 1996 # By: Charles C. Hocker # Modified: # Errors: None that I can find. echo Printing $1 >> /tmp/print.log awk '{ if (($0 ~ /^..-12345X/) || ($0 ~ /^@PJL/)) {} else {print $0} }' $1 | lpr -PmatthewsPrinter; rm $1 # ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # Note printer name ----------------------------- and this is my smb.conf file: ------------------------------ [global] printing = bsd printcap name = /usr/samba/lib/printers load printers = yes guest account = me case sensitive = no preserve case = yes short preserve case = yes [matthewsPrn] comment = Matthew's HP 5MP Printer printer name = matthewsPrinter printer driver = HP LaserJet 5P/5MP PostScript print command = /usr/samba/bin/printNT %s browseable = yes printable = yes public = yes writable = no create mode = 0700 ; you might also want this one [tmp] comment = Temporary file space path = /tmp read only = no public = yes -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Charles C. Hocker american@Mail.TDS.Net ASCII, MIME & NeXTmail american@aztec.asu.edu "Food is Power. We use it to change behavior. Some May Call that Bribery. We Do Not Apologize." Catherine Bertini, executive director, UN World Food Program, Beijing, China, UN 4th World Conference on Women, Sept. 1995. ---------------------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: New Net apps (for me anyway) Date: 8 Dec 1996 07:05:01 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <58dpat$565@news4.digex.net> References: <58d1gt$9eh@news3.digex.net> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961207181115.20049B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > I looked for it at ftp.netsurfer.com but couldn't find it. > Mind telling me where you found it ? ftp://ftp.netsurfer.com/pub/Netkit/Demos/Communication.app.MAB.tar.gz It's neet, i like it... :) Especially give it a go w/ lipservice from mail app... Really, a bit more optimization...some sound compression with that atc compression, half the record rate to say 4khz...and could maybe have real time talk :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: willadams@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: freehand virtuoso Date: 5 Dec 1996 03:48:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961205034900.WAA18133@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <57qv2c$380@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Uh, I think you mean FH 5.0 under NT... 5.5 for PC/Windows was never released (or even created?). I'm glad to hear that the compatibility is there--it's what I want (and am willing to pay for, placed my order, but the copy I was buying seems to be falling through). I'll keep in mind TrueType fonts not working at all, though I find this kind of surprising--why should a font be different from a font? After all, if for example, I have a document on a PC which uses GillSansExtraCondensedBoldMT (a TrueType font), and then take it to a Mac with the same font in Adobe Type 1, it simply maps the one to the other--Could FreeHand actually store information about a font's format in a file? If so, why? William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: otto@olcs.com (Otto Lind) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.smb,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba 1.9.16p9 and NEXTSTEP 3.3p1 Date: 8 Dec 1996 07:26:32 GMT Organization: Softwire Corporation Message-ID: <58dqj8$hc3@olcs.olcs.com> References: <57iauf$drg@venus.mcs.net> <57jfl7$hjq@olcs.olcs.com> <32AA1E6E.6B6A@fastlane.net> In article <32AA1E6E.6B6A@fastlane.net>, "Craig G. Andersen" <andersen@fastlane.net> writes: > I have similar problems with NextStep 3.3 and when I > built it with -lposix to get the waitpid, you can see how well > it processes 'dir or ls' entries. This needs some work. FYI, you need to compile with "cc -posix", just trying -lposix will use the wrong header files and definitely break things. However, you should _never_ build any product with "-posix" or use NeXT's POSIX libraries. The waitpid problem can be fixed with replacing waitpid with the appropriate wait3 or wait4 interfaces. The NeXT development staff who released the 3.* OS's with POSIX support (and subsequently refused to fix it) should be publically humiliated and made fun of for producing such an abortion. Otto -- Otto Lind Softwire Corporation (North office) otto@olcs.com 12125 285th street, Lindstrom, MN 55045 skypoint!olcs!otto voice:(612)257-1259 fax:(612)257-0923
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: gcc for 3.2? Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:23:48 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961204222034.10117B-100000@kira> References: <ukvzpzt22il.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: fugue@ccp.spc.uchicago.edu In-Reply-To: <ukvzpzt22il.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> > > Is there anyplace to get gcc binaries that will run on 3.2 black? ftp://prep.ai.mit.edut/pub/gnu/gcc-2.7.2.1.tar.gz if you mean precompiled, you have to have NeXT's dev tools to get it. download it, run sh ./configure && make && make install and go to bed. It will be done in a few hours (2.2hrs on my non-turbo slab running 3.3) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Warning: Potential *nasty* bug in OpenWrite (Was: Trojan Horse or Bug?) Date: 5 Dec 1996 06:54:00 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Distribution: world Message-ID: <585ri8$qb6@news.doit.wisc.edu> WARNING: Potential bug that may cause data serious data loss (everything in your home directory)! Earlier today I posted a message after a bunch of files had been wiped out on my hard drive by a "/bin/rm -rf" process that I could not figure out the source of. I was running OpenWrite using the Books feature, rearranging chapters at the time this occurred. At the time I didn't suspect OpenWrite was the cause, so later in the day I resumed work on my *backup* system (kept synchronized with RDIST). As soon as I started working with chapters I had a system panic, due to freeing a freed inode or some such thing. Upon re-boot a bunch of files were missing in my home directory on this system (though the panic seems to have stopped it early enough so it didn't destroy as many as it did this morning). This brought me to start suspecting OpenWrite. Another piece of evidence is that I did a complete text search of the *entire* hard drive for "/bin/rm -rf" and OpenWrite *does* contain that string (and not many other apps do). The last nail is the following, posted earlier by Christopher Wolf in c.s.n.bugs: >There is a bug in OpenWrite having to do with renaming a chapter in a book which >will wipe out all the files in your home directory. A coworker of mine was >bitten by it just a couple of weeks ago. Sounds like this may have happened to >you. Though I cannot currently prove that OpenWrite was the cause (and I'm not about to risk trying it again), at this point I *highly* suspect it has caused data in my accounts on two separate systems to be destroyed (this while my graduate prelim is due in less than 24 hours!) ***I would recommend that people refrain from using any of the book related features of OpenWrite, and possibly refrain from using it at all, until there is a definitive response from Lighthouse regarding this potential bug**** Unfortunately, this may be the final blow that causes me to go over to Windoze and use MS-Word. Sad, I hope it doesn't come to that but it may . . . Michael Giddings (my .signature got lost too)
From: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: lzwtiff --> g4tiff ? Date: 5 Dec 1996 16:41:37 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <586u01$lhe@news.tuwien.ac.at> Hi everybody, Dos anyone know if there is a command line software to convert a tiff file (lzw compressed) to a tiff file (g4 compressed). we cann't use a graphical program, because we have to do it with many thousands of tiff files. Also, does anyone know if there is a command line program to concatenate multiple tiff files (lzw compressed) to a pdf file. All hints are appreciated, Thanks very much, Khanh Nguyen,
From: wli@pluto (Dr. Wei Li) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help: Samba on NeXT Date: 8 Dec 1996 14:14:05 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Message-ID: <58eifd$dh5@info.uah.edu> I am trying to install Samba on my NeXTStation running NS 3.0 user version. I have downloaded Samba package (.tar.gz). However, I have only the user's version of NS3.0 which does not have a C compiler. I would appreciate if someone can tell me where I can get a copy of the NeXT executable version of the Samba. Thanks. -wei, wli@cs.uah.edu (Please use this email address)
From: doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Looking for Improv demo models Date: 7 Dec 1996 19:47:17 GMT Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory Message-ID: <58chk5$qkq@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> Hi there, I seem to have misplaced the demonstration applications that came with Lotus Improv. Does anyone still have these lying around or know if they are available on an ftp or web site somewhere? Anyone interested in NeXT mailing them to me? I am particularly interested in the one that does loan amoritization, but would like the rest as well. Please contact me before NeXT mailing them to me, otherwise my mailbox might get quite full... Thanks in advance. Cheers, Mark doyle@aps.org
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb: Attempted read off end of buffer... ? Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:06:34 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec8.210634.26971@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <199612071616.IAA13891@PEAK.ORG> In article <199612071616.IAA13891@PEAK.ORG> writes: > Responding To: Gerald Wildgruber <gewil@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> > > It happens rather often that OmniWeb (ver 2.1.1 on NeXT Intel 3.3) > > stopps in the middle of loading Web pages mostly with inlaid > > images, the message "Attempted read off end of buffer..." showing > > in the message area. Is this du to a problem on the server side or > > else to some settings of the client? > > Don't know what the problem is, but I would try the newest version > of OmniWeb It's usually because the image was incompletely transferred, due to a time out or line drop. This could possibly also be due to a bad image on the host site. There is nothing wrong with OmniWeb causing this problem. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: 8 Dec 1996 21:37:24 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <58fcek$2k9@news.vanderbilt.edu> I just wanted to mention that NeXTStep can run the original javac compiler from Sun: Try: localhost> kaffe sun.tools.javac.Main <file> Then put that into a shellscript and you have got your javac. Took me a while to figure out ... Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Q: NeXT & Unix - Viruses possible?? Date: 8 Dec 1996 21:55:03 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <58fdfn$2k9@news.vanderbilt.edu> References: <9612032115.AA01480@huelf.hamburg.com> <8mdW54a00Uh7M2fqJ9@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger (cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: : Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 3-Dec-96 Q: NeXT & Unix - : Viruses po.. by Stefan Huelf@huelf.hambu : > Are there Computer-Viruses possible on NeXT or other Unix-based : > systems (like Solaris........)??? : However, if you've got an Intel PC which dual-boots into (for example) : Windows and NEXTSTEP, it's possible for the system to be infected with a : boot-sector virus while it was running Windows, and that might or might : not be able to screw things up when booting into NEXTSTEP. Or even worse, start formatting your harddisk, or screwing up sectors on your NeXT disk ... If you are running Win95 nothing prevents viruses to access your NeXT drive and to do damage. Except maybe that there is no drive letter mounted, but that is no guarantee. I boot Win95 just from a removeable drive and turn write protection on the internal harddrive on. This makes Win95 completely mad as it (almost) refuses to work with write protected drives (the dos partition of my internal drive) and pops me to a blue screen telling "Cannot write to drive D Drive may be damaged - press return" Same thing on Win NT with an alert panel. Good job M$ ! Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 8 Dec 1996 22:08:50 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> In-Reply-To: <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) wrote: I'm a bit more cynical. [...] From other experiences with Lighthouse I'd say they seemed like good folk. However, in this case it is hard to say to say that I'm very pleased, [...] I apologise for this display of hypcrisy, but "Me too". I'm well aware that Lighthouse have made outstanding contributions to the NeXT arena almost since day 1, and for the most part their applications are excellent -- sometimes, though, they do silly things, and don't look after their customers as they should. This is one of those occasions. best wishes, mmalc. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612082136.AA03519@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 96 22:36:44 +0100 Subject: Help: successfully upgraded Intel 3.3 system to 4.0 does not boot anymore! Hi, I've upgraded my NEXTSTEP for INTEL 3.3 system to OPENSTEP for Mach 4.0 succesfully (thats what the Upgrader 4 said in the end!) tonight. Its a dual boot-disk (NS3.3/Win3.11), which now works with the OPENSTEP 4.0 software. It does start the OPENSTEP 40.11 bootloader but stops in panic with the message "system-panic: could not load root - r for reboot or m for monitor" Well, could it be that the old Adaptec 1541x driver I was using with 3.3 is not working anymore under 4.0 with my Buslogic VL-Card ? (which does run with 4.0 when I choose the Buslogic VL-SCSI-driver on another system-disk)? So the question is, what's going on, why doesn't the system boot anymore??? How can I fix it??? Can I reconfigure the drivers on the other disk (with the broken Upgrade) when I boot from another (OPENSTEP 4.0 working) system disk attached to the system??? How ??? Thanx a lot for your help - Any hints are gladly appreciated Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: jthomas@pluto.njcc.com (Jay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Java for NS3.3 where? Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 21:14:19 -0600 Organization: Jay, Inc. Message-ID: <jthomas-0812962114190001@hh-bob66.csh.uiuc.edu> References: <961201174900.301AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <Ymcl_yW00UhWM1vMZa@andrew.cmu.edu> <961202222916.234AAGBE.patricia@patricia-ppp> <580v1n$1i7f@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> <5851v3$8mg@news-central.tiac.net> <587ho3$3rb@news.digifix.com> In article <587ho3$3rb@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > On 12/04/96, Aleksey Sudakov wrote: > >neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) wrote: > >>> What's a poor nerdgrrl to do? $#@$#@$#@$@$ > >> > >>This poor nerdboy is considering buying an inexpensive Mac, and running > >>it alongside his NeXT machine when developing Java. Not that expensive > >>after all, and it provides you with the luxury of a second screen. > > > >When did Mac become inexpensive? How about low-end PC with Linux or at > least > >Windblows? > > > > Especially important to consider is the poor quality of Java > development tools on the Mac. > > I'm waiting for Metrowerks to release their CodeWarrior product on > Windows (probably this month). Great environment, wicked fast compiles, > crosscompiles to Mac/Win 95/Win NT and supports C, C++, Pascal and now Java. > > Of course I'd much rather not have to run another machine to get my > Java needs covered off.. > WHOA: First you complain that java development tools on the mac suck and then you say you're waiting for the best mac java development tool to come to the PC......hmmmm.... that makes sense. If you don't like codewarrior, there's roaster, cafe, jdk, weburst, etc. > > >> (1) anybody got kaffe to run though? > > > >I did and I'm happy with it. My MonoStation fly high. > > > >Aleksey > > > > > -- > Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS > sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: gabriele@clotho.com (Gabriele R. Fariello) Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.modules,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Installing Perl Modules on NeXT Cube Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:41:16 -0500 Organization: Clotho Internet Consulting Message-ID: <gabriele-ya023380000812962241160001@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am having difficulty installing libwww-perl-5.05 (tried 5.04 and 5.03 also) and libnet 1.01 on a NeXT Cube running Mach 3.3. I just upgraded to Perl5.003 from Perl5.002 as I had done on other machines before (not NeXTStep machines though). The Perl5.003 install seemed to go over well, so I thought it would be nice to have the current version of LWP and NET running there too. Well, `perl Makefile.PL` runs OK on both sets of modules, but running `make` afterwards I get a "sh: PID Memory Fault" message and the `make` dies. If I edit the Makefile, so that it thinks it's in bash instead, do a "setenv $SHELL /usr/local/bin/bash" and run bash, I get numerous "sh: PID Memory Fault" though it appears as though only while trying to make the man pages, but the `make` exits cleanly (I don't know where it is using sh instead of bash), unfortunately, the `make test` dies before anything happens, and well, no more needs to be said about the `make install` as it is useless. Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be going on? It seemed to work fine under perl5.002 with LWP4.8x - not sure of the previous version of LWP, but it was an older one. Libnet was never properly installed before this on the machine. ending output for make -d for libwww-perl.5.05 looks like this in sh: [...] TIME(lib/URI/URL/wais.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:13 1996 doname(lib/URI/URL/webster.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/URI/URL/webster.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:14 1996 doname(lib/URI/URL/whois.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/URI/URL/whois.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:14 1996 doname(lib/WWW/RobotRules.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/WWW/RobotRules.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:16 1996 doname(lib/WWW/RobotRules/AnyDBM_File.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/WWW/RobotRules/AnyDBM_File.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:18 1996 doname(lwpcook.pod, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lwpcook.pod)=Nov 25 09:00:28 1996 pm_to_blib (Nonexistent) due to lib/LWP/UserAgent.pm (Dec 4 09:24:30 1996) sh: 2213 Memory fault *** Exit 139 rmTarget: okdel=1, p=pm_to_blib Stop. ending output for make -d for libnet1.01 looks like this in sh: [...] TIME(Net/Telnet.pm)=Sep 5 01:54:05 1996 doname(Net/Time.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(Net/Time.pm)=Sep 5 01:54:05 1996 pm_to_blib (Nonexistent) due to Net/Cmd.pm (Sep 5 01:54:06 1996) sh: 2153 Memory fault *** Exit 139 rmTarget: okdel=1, p=pm_to_blib Stop. It seems to like to choak on pm_to_blib line, but I do not know its significance. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Gabriele P.S. Anyone have a pre-compiled binary of perl5.003, LWP, libnet, etc. etc. for the NexT?
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Icons Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 11:40:05 +0100 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <32A6A685.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <584bqb$9km@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gehlert@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de wrote: > > I work on a project and have to deal with NXImages, but we have the > problem to load a extern image from the hard drive without including > in the recent project. The functions "initFromFile" and > "loadFromFile" don't have an effect. > > Can anybody in the wide world help me?? > > Thanks for help! > > Andreas just had the same problem, that's the solution in OpenStep for all types of pictures: - (void)your_method:(id)sender { // NSImage +imageNamed is not not working with fullpath names // only the images included in the project are accepted // I hope, do not know, that NSImageView is releaseing the old NSImage, // if there is one ??? // DragView is a NSImageView [theDragView setImage:[[NSImage alloc] initByReferencingFile:@"/tmp/tex2eps.eps"]]; return; } stef -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612082350.AA03626@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 96 00:50:50 +0100 Subject: OpenStep Intel for Mach 4.0: system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root: Can I reconfigure DriversConfigs from another disk (other then the SystemDisk?) OpenStep Intel 4.0 for Mach: Can I reconfigure the drivers on the other disk (with the broken Upgrade - it says it cannot "system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root) when I boot from another (OPENSTEP 4.0 working) system disk attached to the system??? How ??? Thanx a lot for your help - Any hints are gladly appreciated Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612090246.AA03728@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 96 03:46:39 +0100 Subject: You got to believe it - OPENSTEP is fun ;-) on Intel :-( Hi NeXTguys and girls, I've just installed a new SCSI disk with OPENSTEP 4.0 for Intel for Mach and this time the PC is givin'me new trouble. Can you believe this, if you log in as me or root after the freshly finished installation of OS4.0 Preferences.app won't start !!! So I had to set the passwd in Terminal manually. But in root it does the same things. It just doesnt start Pref.app. The Console is saying somthing like "can't find Apps search path" in me-Account. Can someone tell me that Intel-PCs are Computers any??? **** I guess not!!!!!! **** If I had trouble with any machine lots of times - It had been PCs and only them!!! Oh, no - what's he doing now???? "could not find Window server port" is the next message after booting anew..... This is muchoo fun!! Gotta go to bed.................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl (A. Guyt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: POP3 server for NS 3.3 ? Date: 9 Dec 1996 09:57:37 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology Message-ID: <58gnqh$o24@news.tudelft.nl> Hello, Does anyone know if there's a POP3 server available for NS 3.3 Intel and where to get it ? Abraham Guyt. _____________________________________________________________________ Abraham Guyt P.O.Box 356 Department of Information Systems 2600 AJ Delft Faculty Technical Mathematics & Informatics The Netherlands Delft University of Technology tel: +31 15 78 5969 E-mail: guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl NeXT-mail welcome
From: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep Intel for Mach 4.0: system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot Date: 9 Dec 1996 10:24:47 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <58gpdf$9ag@news.vanderbilt.edu> References: <9612082350.AA03626@huelf.hamburg.com> Stefan Huelf (stefan@huelf.hamburg.com) wrote: : OpenStep Intel 4.0 for Mach: : Can I reconfigure the drivers on the other disk (with the broken : Upgrade - : it says it cannot : "system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root) : when I boot from another (OPENSTEP 4.0 working) system disk : attached to the system??? How ??? Attach the working disk to the non working system as SCSI id 0 or 1 and the non working disk as another higher id, then reboot and copy off your stuff, or do it the other way round. : stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Doesn't exist over here, ... Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 9 Dec 1996 02:14:52 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <58fsms$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) wrote: > I'm a bit more cynical. It is apparent that other people have > encountered this bug from mail I've recieved and from a few > postings in c.s.n.bugs. And the person from Lighthouse stated > it existed in versions back to 1.x. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't version 1.x written by a *different* company? All that they are saying is that "We have found the bug, and it is not in code that we have changed since picking up the product". > Let me repeat: this bug is *SERIOUS*! No one contradicted you on this. > I wouldn't be surprised if others have been bitten by this bug > and didn't even know what caused it. I certainly had no idea > until it happened to me the second time! > > Lighthouse did make the effort to call me yesterday and give > consolation, at least. That was good. But it doesn't come close > to making up for the lost data and time, and the agony over not > being able to meet the deadline for my Ph.D. prelim because of > this bug. I realize this was a major loss for you, but I think you're putting the blame on the wrong developers. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA c Institute; Troy NY USA
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to connect via ISDN on Intel hardware? Date: 9 Dec 1996 09:57:03 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development Message-ID: <58gnpf$97f@alice.turbocat.de> References: <58abtp$oo5@cmir.arnes.si> jonas@eunet.si (Jonas Znidarsic) wrote: >Is there a driver for any ISDN card out there? Is the only way to connect to >Internet service provider via an ISDN router? Is it possible to use >a ISDN card on Intel machine with NextStep? It should work with a device that emulates a serial port and eats "AT"-style commands. Have a look at ZyXEL. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 9 Dec 1996 16:18:18 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Distribution: world Message-ID: <58he4a$1o5g@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> Cc: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu In <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn wrote: > Given that they picked up this code from other developers, I see > no reason to say nasty things about a company which has a long > record of fine service to NeXTSTEP customers. At one point everyone > was on their case because they weren't even committed to releasing > OpenWrite (after they bought the company). Now that they release > it, and people are going to bitch about bugs that Lighthouse did > not write? Geez. > > Yep, I'm going to "bitch". Take this example. Say someone has a batch of poisoned Tylenol that they sell you, which you are going to re-sell. At first you don't know it's poisoned, and sell it and one of your customers dies. The moment you become aware of that fact, you are responsible to do everything in your power to see that it doesn't happen again. That is because you are the seller. Sure you can claim it's not your fault because you didn't manufacture it, but it doesn't matter legally, you sold it, you are responsible. What you're saying is, oh, it's okay because Lighthouse didn't make the product. Wrong. ---- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: mycroft@nntp.best.com (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FS: Daydream Date: 9 Dec 1996 17:55:27 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58hjqf$sfd@nntp1.best.com> Hello. I have a Daydream box which I'd like to sell. It's ROM version 1.34 with software version 2.11 (Compatible with System 7.5). These guys aren't easy to find so don't miss your chance. -- alex currier | Reactiveware - Clothing for the 22nd Century mycroft@best.com | www.reactiveware.com
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 9 Dec 1996 17:40:44 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <58hius$1vh@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> On 12/09/96, Garance A Drosehn wrote: > mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > > I'm well aware that Lighthouse have made outstanding contributions > > to the NeXT arena almost since day 1, and for the most part their > > applications are excellent -- sometimes, though, they do silly > > things, and don't look after their customers as they should. > > This is one of those occasions. > > If they wrote the original code, then I might agree. > The issue of who wrote the original code is irrelevant: the point is that they seem to have known about the problem for a while and have done nothing about it, until someone else has gone public. > Given that they picked up this code from other developers, I see > no reason to say nasty things about a company which has a long > record of fine service to NeXTSTEP customers. At one point everyone > was on their case because they weren't even committed to releasing > OpenWrite (after they bought the company). Now that they release > it, and people are going to bitch about bugs that Lighthouse did > not write? > I am not complaining about the bug per se, I am complaining about Lighthouse's lack of response to a situation they appear to have known about for a while. I stated up front that "I'm well aware that Lighthouse have made outstanding contributions to the NeXT arena almost since day 1", and I am grateful for this (even more so for their extraordinarily generous aademic bundle); this does not, however, exhonerate them from all criticism for ever more. I have had cause to criticise LH in the past, and will do so in the future if I feel they have messed up: I will also, however, continue to heap praise on them for the good things they do (which thus far overall outweighs the bad). Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Maurice Leysens <maurice@sequana.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Perl5.003 on OpenStep 4.0 black Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:17:04 -0800 Organization: CERFnet Message-ID: <32AC57A0.6504@sequana.com> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <572022$922@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <3297c4ff.12080424@news.alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am having trouble successfully compiling perl5.003 on the latest OS 4.0 on black hardware. I'd list the error messages I get but they are varied depending on the configurations I've attempted. I have used the Config.pm settings of the perl 5.001m that comes with the OS, but no luck. Anyone who has successfully done this, I would appreciate the help. Maurice Leysens maurice@sequana.com
From: Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Perl 5 on 4.x - Hint file anyone? Date: 09 Dec 1996 13:17:02 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Sender: joe@pooh Message-ID: <x5n2vninvl.fsf@vt.edu> Hi, all, I've been trying to build Perl 5.002 on my OS 4.0 PC, but I'm afraid I haven't been having much success. At one point, I got it to build, but it failed the dynamic loading tests. Sigh. Has anyone out there created a hints file for Perl 5 running on OPENSTEP? If so, I'd really appreciate a copy. Thanks! Joe -- | NeXTMail OK! | + You never know what's around the next corner. | | ________ | + Probably a head-on with a semi. | | | |__) | ======================================================== | | (_|OE| \EISS | - Al Calavicci and Sam Beckett |
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:09:03 -0800 Organization: Public Electronic Access to Knowlege,Inc Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209094049.505B-100000@kira> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> <58he4a$1o5g@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <58he4a$1o5g@news.doit.wisc.edu> On 9 Dec 1996, Michael Giddings wrote: > In <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > Given that they picked up this code from other developers, I see > > no reason to say nasty things about a company which has a long > > record of fine service to NeXTSTEP customers. At one point everyone > > was on their case because they weren't even committed to releasing > > OpenWrite (after they bought the company). Now that they release > > it, and people are going to bitch about bugs that Lighthouse did > > not write? Geez. > > Yep, I'm going to "bitch". [ overly dramatic comparison to Tylenol poisoning snipped] > The moment you become aware of that fact, you are responsible to do > everything in your power to see that it doesn't happen again. That is > because you are the seller. Sure you can claim it's not your fault because > you didn't manufacture it, but it doesn't matter legally, you sold it, you > are responsible. > > What you're saying is, oh, it's okay because Lighthouse didn't make the > product. I don't believe he said that it is OK. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure of it. What he said was that they did not _cause_ it. They did not put the poison in the Tylenol, to go with your analogy. FURTHERMORE, they have _already_ publically stated that they were going to release a fixed version of this. They are going to give you, free, a fix. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT? They found out about it, they are going to fix it. If this was MS you'd have to wait for the next version and buy it. I believe that what Garance was trying to say was "Cut em some slack, they've already said they were going to release a fix". BTW: you are responsible for what software you use. Any software you use may have bugs in it, including serious bugs. The programmer is responsible to tell you about any bugs he/she knows to exist, but you buy the software knowing that every program of that size may have bugs. Yes, this is a very bad bug. Yes I agree I have no idea what the programmer was thinking when he/she designed it. But YES I also think it is nice that Lighthouse has continued to support the program. Otherwise you'd have this bug and no one could do anything about it. If Lighthouse sold the app, knowing the bug was there and didn't tell anyone, then yes they are negligent and liable. If no one know the bug was there, and they sold you the app and you used it, then you had a bad day. Go to your backups and restore the lost files. I'm no programmer but I still have backups running every night. If my hard drive melted today, I would only lose data since 6am this morning. Backups are your responsibility. Yes I realize it doesn't do anything to get your work back that your work from today, but I really don't think it is fair to blame Lighthouse for the existence of this bug. They are taking it off the shelves and putting a new one in its place. I think that's living up to their responsibility. MO, TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: POP3 server for NS 3.3 ? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:10:07 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209100952.505C-100000@kira> References: <58gnqh$o24@news.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "A. Guyt" <guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl> In-Reply-To: <58gnqh$o24@news.tudelft.nl> try this ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/PopOver.v1.5.NIHS.bd.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/PopOver.v1.5.README TjL
From: dekorte@intrepid.suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Just got my 4.1 CD's Date: 9 Dec 1996 20:35:33 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <58ht6l$r7v@news.onramp.net> References: <58ah71$g5g@majipoor.cygnus.com> Cc: jrudd@cygnus.com John Rudd wrote: > I haven't had time to find out if there are any major problems. But if > anyone can tell me what's up with #1, I'd _really_ like to know. The big thing with 4.1 is that NeXT fixed up some annoying bugs in ProjectBuilder. -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep Developer - Anaheim, CA "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie
From: gclem@dannug.dk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: LockScreen Date: 9 Dec 1996 13:50:36 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <58h5fc$9fd@snaps.dannug.dk> Hi there, Any of you guys out there that has a copy of the LockScreen app (released by RightBrain)? If possible I would like a copy of the icon (not the app). You can NeXTmail to: gclem@dannug.dk. Thx. in advance, Geert
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to connect via ISDN on Intel hardware? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:15:12 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec9.221512.870@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <58gnpf$97f@alice.turbocat.de> In article <58gnpf$97f@alice.turbocat.de> dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) writes: > jonas@eunet.si (Jonas Znidarsic) wrote: > >Is there a driver for any ISDN card out there? Is the only way to connect to > >Internet service provider via an ISDN router? Is it possible to use > >a ISDN card on Intel machine with NextStep? > > It should work with a device that emulates a serial port and eats "AT"-style > commands. Have a look at ZyXEL. Some passive cards don't have an 'AT' interface and won't be muh use to you; but most cards, TAs, and routers will do a good job. Certainly the ZyXEL Omni TA128 is good (the new firmware gives it mini-switchboard capabilities as well), and the Prestige routers can be used with single IP address accounts from ISPs for a small network. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Michael.Gentry@mci.com (Michael Gentry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb: Attempted read off end of buffer... ? Date: 9 Dec 1996 23:37:11 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Message-ID: <58i7r7$1f6@news.internetmci.com> References: <199612071616.IAA13891@PEAK.ORG> <1996Dec8.210634.26971@seer.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1996Dec8.210634.26971@seer.demon.co.uk> On 12/08/96, Paul Lynch wrote: >> Don't know what the problem is, but I would try the newest version >> of OmniWeb >It's usually because the image was incompletely transferred, due to a >time out or line drop. This could possibly also be due to a bad >image on the host site. There is nothing wrong with OmniWeb causing >this problem. I disagree. I'm using OW 2.1.5 and I get that fairly often (like 2-4% of the time). I was curious one day, so I started dragging the "bad" image off into my filesystem and then viewing with ImageViewer or FastView. Guess what? The image is there. Go figure. I'm not sure exactly what's causing it, but there is a problem. - mrg (michael.gentry@mci.com) -- A day without Windows is a day without pain.
From: mkretsch@ultranet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: help with eXTRAPRINT Date: 10 Dec 1996 01:18:06 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <58idoe$qcn@decius.ultra.net> Dear NeXTers I am trying to transfer my license for eXTRAPRINT for the NeXT Color Printer from NS moto 3.2 to Intel 3.3 without any luck. When we bought the license last year we were told that it would be OK for both, moto and Intel. On NS Intel 3.3, eXTRAPRINT installs and lets me "add" the driver but after the "driver added" message appears, the printer entry line is still in DEMO mode. I would greatly appreciate help. GS corp. is unfortunately out of business. Their driver does woderful things for the quality of the output from the NeXT Color printer. I would hate to go back. Also, is there anybody selling GS's line of software ? I am interested in drivers for slide output and scanners. Matthias Kretschmer AutoImmune Inc. 128 Spring St. Lexington, MA 02193 mkretsch@ultranet.com 617 860 0710 ext. 237
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From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 10 Dec 1996 10:28:16 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <58je00$q5d@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> <58he4a$1o5g@news.doit.wisc.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209094049.505B-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209094049.505B-100000@kira> On 12/09/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: > If Lighthouse sold the app, knowing the bug was there and didn't tell > anyone, then yes they are negligent and liable. > This is why I, and I believe Michael, are bitching: I certainly get the impression, and if someone proves me wrong then I will gladly apologise and withdraw my comments, that LH have known about the problem for more than just a couple of days. They appear in this case to have only responded now that someone has gone public about it. By your definition, therefore, which is close to the one I'm using, they are negligent and liable. If anybody deserves to be cut some slack it is Michael; he has a valid grievance, and has expressed his concerns sensibly. I would guess that he is in the sme position as me, in that I still hold LH in general in high regard; this does not, however, let them off the hook for any and all mistakes. The above does not mean that I do not appreciate LH's efforts, if somewhat belated, to publicise the bug and to make amends. In this respect, yes, they do seem to have a better attitude than many other s/w companies, and I applaud them for that. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS December Quiz Date: 10 Dec 1996 12:19:30 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58jkgi$ksu@peng.ping.at> The SSS Christmas Quiz has started >>> now <<< ! For November results as well as the new December quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Hint: in case you **didn't** have to launch your favorite image manipulation app in order to answer the November question, you definitely **will** have to in order to answer the new question! As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer license (worth upto US$ 99), or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] In the Quantrix, How can I find the page number? Date: 10 Dec 1996 07:03:17 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <58jji5$9b7@papoose.quick.com> References: <32A86A1A.59CD@soback.kornet.nm.kr> In article <32A86A1A.59CD@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> wrote: >In the Quantrix, >When I try print the page which I working on, But I could not get the > page number. So I must have printed the entire page. >How can I fine the page number which I working on? >I would like to print the pages which I want. The easiest thing to do is to select Preview output from the Print panel. You can then print only the pages you want from Preview.app. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
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From: "Robert G. Jacobs" <rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Color using GSPrintFilter Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:20:23 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.92.961210090956.548A-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using GSPrintFilter 1.11 to print postscript on my HP870 DeskJet. Everything I print in color gets grayscaled rather than printed in color. Does the filter not support color (unlikely) or am I doing something wrong? Any ideas? Is it possible to get a ppd for the HP870 (or are ppd's only for PS printers)? Thanks. Rob
From: steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (Steven Trainoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Help - Mail.app problem Date: 10 Dec 1996 18:53:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Message-ID: <58kbjk$bpd@yuggoth.ucsb.edu> References: <58cepn$126e@news.i-link.net> Cc: cmckee@i-link.net In <58cepn$126e@news.i-link.net> Casey McKee wrote: > I posted this question recently and received no replies, so I thought I > would try again. > > In the past few weeks, Mail.app has been exhibiting some new and > strange (to me) behavior. When I try to forward a set of MIME e-mail > messages (no attachments) as one e-mail message to someone, Mail.app > terminates with the following console messages: > > [Mail: Caught signal #11; terminating safely] > [Mail: Autosaving drafts...] > I have posted about the same problem. It is a bug in Mail.app. I have a file which when sent as MIME will always crash Mail.app. Several people have written to me to say that they have the same problem. There is no known work around, except perhaps to upgrade to the latest and greatest OS version. NeXT, of course, just ignores me. -- ...STeve ------------------------------------ Insert pithy maxim here... steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (NeXT mail, MIME mail welcome)
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: installing Win95 on dual partition Win3.1/NS system Date: 10 Dec 1996 21:14:10 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <58kjr2$es@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I've got a system with 2 HD partitions, one running DOS/Win3.1 and the other NS3.2/Intel with the NEXTSTEP boot selector. I want to install Win95 to the DOS/Win3.1 partition. Will the Win95 upgrade CD installation process blow away the NEXTSTEP installed boot selector? Can I prevent this? How do I re-install the NS boot selector after it has been blown away? Couldn't find anything about this in the NS/Intel installation instructions. I did read a Win95 install README that talked about the same problem/process with OS/2 but it talked about the boot manager having a separate partition viewable with FDisk and that doesn't seem to be the case for the NS boot manager. -Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Pfleger kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu http://www.stanford.edu/~kpfleger/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 10 Dec 1996 23:05:20 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <58kqbg$d98@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> <58he4a$1o5g@news.doit.wisc.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209094049.505B-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209094049.505B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > [ overly dramatic comparison to Tylenol poisoning snipped] > Ever heard of analogy? > FURTHERMORE, they have _already_ publically stated that they were going to > release a fixed version of this. They are going to give you, free, a fix. > Great. What about the lost data? How do they fix that? > WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT? They found out about it, they are going to fix it. > If this was MS you'd have to wait for the next version and buy it. > If it was MS and their program wiped out the hard drives of major business customers of theirs, you bet they would release a *free* fixed version, or they'd get their pants sued off. Microsoft may be evil but they're not stupid. In case you hadn't noticed, Bill Gates is a shrewd businessman, and a bug of that magnitude would be reported on TV news across the country. Microsoft would provide a fix, for free. > BTW: you are responsible for what software you use. Any software you use > may have bugs in it, including serious bugs. Get a grip. This "bug" borders on "trojan horse" territory. No one expects that a bug might include one that will wipe out every file in an account. Much less a bug in a product from a major vendor, a product that has been in use for several years and for which there has been NO PRIOR PUBLIC INDICATION OF ANY PROBLEM. > The programmer is > responsible to tell you about any bugs he/she knows to exist, but you buy > the software knowing that every program of that size may have bugs. Yes, the program has many bugs, and I have lived with them. E.G., it doesn't print books right, it won't spell check under OS 4.x, it has serious problems with placing floating graphics in the text (and there are more). THOSE are the type of bugs that a user might expect and live with. I have lived with them without complaining about them (except one bug report to Lighthouse for each one encountered), because I am happy that a word processor with those features exists for NS. > Yes, > this is a very bad bug. Yes I agree I have no idea what the programmer > was thinking when he/she designed it. But YES I also think it is nice > that Lighthouse has continued to support the program. Otherwise you'd > have this bug and no one could do anything about it. > If OpenWrite wasn't a supported product that I bought and paid for, fairly recently in fact, I wouldn't have been using it. I would have been using CedarWord, or maybe even MS Word. I am grateful that Lighthouse has made it available, BUT they are a business and I highly doubt they did it out of charity. You guys are acting like it's some kind of act of ultimate kindness that Lighthouse has "given" OpenWrite to the community. What a bunch of crap. They are in business like anyone, selling a product. That comes with certain responsibilities. One of those is to make sure that the product doesn't do irreparable harm to the consumer. > If Lighthouse sold the app, knowing the bug was there and didn't tell > anyone, then yes they are negligent and liable. This is the last time I will make this point that you seem to be missing: The minute that Lighthouse became aware of this bug they should have done EVERYTHING in their power to notify registered users of the bug, even if they didn't know the precise circumstances that triggered it. At least users would have been aware. They have admitted that they were aware of it at least two weeks ago. I am VERY surprised it was not sooner than that, but so be it. Whether two weeks or two years, they should have sent out a notice that OpenWrite *may*, under *rare* circumstances, erase all the files in one's home directory. Instead, they waited until I got hit by it and gave them a really hard time about it to make a public announcement. In fact, they had not made an announcement to the most commonly read newsgroup, c.s.n.announce, until today, after I have sent them multiple e-mail messages IMPLORING them to do so SO THAT OTHER USERS DON'T GO THROUGH WHAT I DID! Further, they didn't make any mention of it *at all* until I first posted about the existence of the bug, with corroboration from someone else. > Go to your backups and restore the lost files. Due to circumstances I won't bore everyone with, my backup consisted of a second hard drive with identical files maintained through RDIST (plus older backups on optical). After having one hard drive erased, and with less than 24 hours to go before a major project was due, I felt I had no choice but to use the backup system to try to complete my project. If I had had *any, even the slightest* inkling that OpenWrite had caused the erasure, I would not have done that. But having no inkling, I did that. That's reality. Openwrite proceeded to erase a number of my backup files. THE POINT IS, in the real world, things aren't ideal. A buyer of a product shouldn't be expected to backup in quadruplicate just because one of the commercial, supported products they are using might just go off and erase all their files. I'm not willing to be that paranoid or waste that much time backing up. Instead, I'll hold the makers *and sellers* of software up to some standard of responsibility. ALSO, regardless of the backup situation, having everything in one's account wiped out is a very serious loss of time. In fact, even with a backup made every evening, you are at risk of losing a whole day's worth of work *plus* the time spent getting the system back to where you started. > but I really don't think it is fair to > blame Lighthouse for the existence of this bug. They are taking it off > the shelves and putting a new one in its place. > I don't blame them for it's existence. I blame them specifically for not alerting users by every means possible *immediately* when they first were aware of it. I further blame them because they have stated to me that this bug probably existed in all versions, so they *should* have known about it by now. Renaming chapters isn't that uncommon of an action for a user to take. It is bizarre that a bug of this magnitude may have gone unnoticed by them (and Xanthus before them) for several years. Additionally, as a programmer, if I had received a product written by someone else, I would at least look over most portions of the code, and if I saw a portion that exec'ed /bin/rm, I would scrutinize it *very* carefully. > I think that's living up to their responsibility. > I think for most users they are living up to their responsibility. Now that they have made it public and stated there is an update on the way, that should satisfy 99% of users who haven't encountered this bug yet. However, it doesn't abrogate them of responsibility to customers who have been hit by the bug, especially those that Lighthouse could have feasibly warned before being hit by it. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 10 Dec 1996 23:11:04 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <58kqm8$d98@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> <58hius$1vh@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Cc: m.crawford@shef.ac.uk Just one other comment then I'm done on this thread: It appears from several posts here that people are so desparate to have programs such as OpenWrite for NextStep that they are willing to forgive anything, no matter how bad, by the supplier. It's a sad statement (and I mean it) about how bad it has gotten for supported NS software. It's really a shame to see this platform dying off slowly. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: batmon@abico.com.tw (Mon-Sen Yang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to use / configure SAMBA under OPENSTEP?? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 02:24:24 GMT Organization: DCI HiNet Message-ID: <32ae1986.10167652@netnews.hinet.net> It is nice to see OPENSTEP includes a SAMBA program, but there is no documentation tells me how to set it up. I have run the "install-samba" file by using the "sh install-samba" command under the terminal, and it did complete the installation by adding lines to inted.config and Netinfo. After this, I reboot the OPENSTEP machine but can't find any NeXT's drive under Win95's PC. What did I do wrong? Do I have to do any configuration? If yes, What do I have to do?? Please HELP!! best Regards,
From: jmosher@think.com (Jessica Mosher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: question about fonts Date: 10 Dec 1996 21:58:08 -0500 Organization: Newsgate Sender: root@bone.think.com Message-ID: <9612110258.AA04689@gandalf.think.com> This is embarrassing... A year ago I replaced the disk on my NeXT and installed 3.2 from scratch. Now I'm trying to install some fonts, but I've had no luck with setting up the afm directory, outlines, etc. etc. In short, I've forgotten how to get the fonts installed, and the online sysadmin documentation AND my NeXT books don't detail the process. I found a reference to a Font Manager, but there is no such thing on my system. I ran buildafmdir according to its manual page but the font panels aren't changed in any of my applications. Please email me either the procedure or a pointer to the faq where it is. I'm sure there are instructions somewhere, but I'm missing them, which I recall doing three years ago when this issue came up before. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jessica L. Mosher Thinking Machines Corporation Systems Support Engineer c/o American Express The secret of the universe is @*&^^^ NO CARRIER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ jmosher@Think.COM Pager: 1-800-946-4646
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612101532.AA04310@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 16:32:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: OpenStep Intel for Mach 4.0: system panic Cc: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu > Stefan Huelf (stefan@huelf.hamburg.com) wrote: > > : OpenStep Intel 4.0 for Mach: > > : Can I reconfigure the drivers on the other disk (with the broken > : Upgrade - > > : it says it cannot > : "system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root) > > : when I boot from another (OPENSTEP 4.0 working) system disk > : attached to the system??? How ??? > > Attach the working disk to the non working system as SCSI id 0 > or 1 and the non working disk as another higher id, then reboot > and copy off your stuff, or do it the other way round. Hi Thomas, thanx for your input. But the problem is, I dont know what files in the system are broken. Secondly I dont know where OPENSTEP 4.0 stores the actually used (or configured driver, e.g. for the display adapter). When I use Configure.app on the working disk it will alter the Driver-Configuration on the working disk, not on the non-working disk. But the message during the boot process is the one I have to fix first..... "system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root Any ideas anyone??? > > : stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Doesn't exist over here, ... > > Cat. Do you mean you cannot reach me via e-mail directly??? Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Fiend and BackManager Date: 11 Dec 1996 03:42:20 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <58lais$cco@dropit.pgh.net> I have been running BackManager for a long time. It allows you to click anywhere on the background where it will drop a menu of your choice from which you can select a program to run. I picked up Fiend from peak because of comments regarding it and LaunchBar. I discovered when Fiend is running, Backmanager doesn't work! ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: leo@BLaCKSMITH.com (Leo Turetsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: missing posix (functions) in OPENSTEP4.0 Date: 5 Dec 1996 17:12:04 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <586vp4$ab@BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <1996Dec4.092953.47172@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> > I'm compiling with the option -posix set. > > An example message: > > /bin/ld: for architecture m68k > /bin/ld: Undefined symbols: > _setsid > _waitpid > *** Exit 1 <tyler>2% gstring setsid /usr/lib/libposix.a /usr/lib/libposix.a _setsid <tyler>3% gstring waitpid /usr/lib/libposix.a /usr/lib/libposix.a _waitpid Actually I just put the posix library from NeXT's FTP site on my machine and used it. I'm told that posix stuff is completely broken under NS and even more so under OS but I didn't notice for the few lines of code I needed to compile with -posix. {The FWTK v1.3} leo. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Leo Turetsky | BLaCKSMITH, Inc. (NeXT/MIME) | | leo@blacksmith.com | OPENSTEP Systems Administrator | +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Nah-ne kah-sah tahng-tah? <esp> Leo, your mom called. | +-------------------------------------------------------+
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Webster Wildcard search? Date: 11 Dec 1996 04:32:22 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <58ldgm$e4l@news4.digex.net> Hi, is it possible to do a wildcard search somehow with websters? I'm desperatly trying to solve a puzzle that's driving me nutz and I need to do a search for words ending in "*gry". Just in case anyone knows the answer to this puzzle, they can put me out of my puzzlement, here's the riddle: If anyone can help, let me know! Here it is: Three words in the english language end with the letters "GRY" Two of them are: Angry, and Hungry. The third one, "everyONE uses them every single day." Now I've looked through the 1913 dictionary and found two other words that end with gry... Aggry, Aggri (Page: _32_) Ag"gry, Ag"gri (#), a. Applied to a kind of variegated glass beads of ancient manufacture; as, aggry beads are found in Ashantee and Fantee in Africa and Gry (Page: _655_) Gry (?), n. [Gr <?/ syllable, bit.] 1. A measure equal to one tenth of a line. [Obs.] Locke. 2. Anything very small, or of little value. [R.] I don't think the riddle applies to the two above, and so the riddle lies to some extent...anyway, does anyone know what word it is??? -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Webster Wildcard search? Date: 11 Dec 1996 04:50:11 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <58lei3$e4l@news4.digex.net> References: <58ldgm$e4l@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Hi, is it possible to do a wildcard search somehow with websters? I'm desperatly trying to solve a puzzle that's driving me nutz and I need to do a search for words ending in "*gry". The above question stands...as to the puzzle, before I drive more people nutz, check out the following web site for the answer: http://www.users.interport.net/~words1/gry.html -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Access violations with OpenStep 4.1 for NT Message-ID: <1996Dec10.210411.90458@cc.usu.edu> From: slqpm@cc.usu.edu (Calvin N. Slater) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:44:25 -400 Organization: Student MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit days). Help requested, I am attempting to install OpenStep 4.1 for NT but the applications will not run. The installation process for the developer works fine but anytime an application is started I get an 'access violation exception'. I installed the software as Administrator. When I run the About program it will identify that OpenStep 4.1 for Enterprises is installed however if I log in under another user (not Administrator) the About program will not show anything. I have installed and reinstalled OpenStep various times trying different things without any luck. Inferface Builder, ProjectBuilder, TextEdit, etc., they all get an access violation. The four services appear to be up and running (machd, nmserver, WindowServer, pbs). I had them automatically start and have manually started them. Nothing appears to make a difference. Anyone that has ideas of what might be the problem or new things to try, your assistance will be greatly appreciated. System Specifications: Micron 100 mhz Pentium 32 meg memory 2 SCSI drives Windows NT 4.0 Novell 4.11 Client Software for NT Microsoft TCP/IP Client Software Not using NTFS, installed NT on DOS partition Calvin Slater Moore BCS Program Analyst slqpm@cc.usu.edu
From: jmosher@think.com (Jessica Mosher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: font question: Never mind.. Date: 10 Dec 1996 23:47:10 -0500 Organization: Newsgate Sender: root@bone.think.com Message-ID: <9612110447.AA04960@gandalf.think.com> I found an old faq about a 3.1 bug and some other old, old documentation and was able to piece together a workaround. Thanks for any responses, though...I have n't tried the fonts with Frame yet, so may still need them. =) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jessica L. Mosher Thinking Machines Corporation Systems Support Engineer c/o American Express The secret of the universe is @*&^^^ NO CARRIER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ jmosher@Think.COM Pager: 1-800-946-4646
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Access violations with OpenStep 4.1 for NT References: <1996Dec10.210411.90458@cc.usu.edu> From: shill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean Hill) Message-ID: <32ae79b4.0@cisun2000.unil.ch> Date: 11 Dec 96 09:07:00 GMT slqpm@cc.usu.edu (Calvin N. Slater) wrote: > Help requested, > > I installed the software as Administrator. When I run the About > program it will identify that OpenStep 4.1 for Enterprises is installed > however if I log in under another user (not Administrator) the About > will not show anything. I have installed and reinstalled OpenStep various > times trying different things without any luck. Inferface Builder, > ProjectBuilder, TextEdit, etc., they all get an access violation. > Have you checked that the read permissions for the NeXT directory includes Everyone->Read?
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Perl5.003 on OpenStep 4.0 black Date: 11 Dec 1996 10:50:17 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <58m3l9$ijn@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <572022$922@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <3297c4ff.12080424@news.alterdial.uu.net> <32AC57A0.6504@sequana.com> In-Reply-To: <32AC57A0.6504@sequana.com> On 12/09/96, Maurice Leysens wrote: > I am having trouble successfully compiling perl5.003 on the latest OS > 4.0 on black hardware. I'd list the error messages I get but they are > varied depending on the configurations I've attempted. I have used the > Config.pm settings of the perl 5.001m that comes with the OS, but no > luck. Anyone who has successfully done this, I would appreciate the > help. > The chaps at TipTop have very kindly made Perl5 available on their ftp site: ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/ It does have a few requirements about where it wil be installed, however if you can live with those (and I'm willing to make a small sacrifice for the sake of an easy life!) the installation is very simple. Many thanks to the TipTop crew. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Rony Daher <r.daher@popmail.csuohio.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Remote Controlling a NeXT Machine Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:14:10 +0000 Organization: Cleveland State University Message-ID: <32AE8971.153E@popmail.csuohio.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I'm looking for a program to run on a Mac or PC to remotely control a cube running NS 3.3. The machine will be housed in our server farm, and remote managemant (other than telnet) will be necessary. Is there any other way of getting to the NS GUI without NXHosting (which won't work on the Mac/PC) Any help is appreciated. Please respond via email. Thanks. Rony Daher Network Support Technician Cleveland State University
From: Peter Truskier <truskier@star-graphics.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: POP3 server for NS 3.3 ? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:28:19 -0800 Organization: STAR Graphic Arts Co., Inc. Message-ID: <32AEEF31.392@star-graphics.com> References: <58gnqh$o24@news.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "A. Guyt" <guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl> I've been running NSPopper on black hardware for about a year now, without ANY problems. You can find a quad-fat binary for NS 3.X at: http://info-sys.home.vix.com/people/lennart/Software.html Peter Truskier STAR Graphic Arts Co., Inc. Brisbane, CA USA
From: bordet@cimac-res.univ-lyon1.fr (jean-claude BORDET) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to display an image on Next Station? Date: 11 Dec 1996 19:14:00 GMT Organization: U331 Message-ID: <bordet-1112962019590001@u331-3.univ-lyon1.fr> Hello, I have a Next Station and I am looking for a simple program to display an image. Does anyone know where I can find a such program. Thanks in advance. --------------- Abdel BOUDRAA Faculte RTH Laennec Lyon, France boudra@cimac-res.univ-lyon1.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.58ncgb$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Control: cancel <58ncgb$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <58ncgb$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:27:17 GMT Sender: invest@goldbergservices.com ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
From: doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for Improv demo models Date: 10 Dec 1996 18:52:50 GMT Organization: American Physical Society Message-ID: <58kbi2$f10@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> References: <58chk5$qkq@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> I wrote: >I seem to have misplaced the demonstration applications that came with Lotus >Improv. I have what I need now thanks to Art Isabell and Rick Sanford. Thanks, --Mark
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From: schulhof@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: test Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:53:11 Message-ID: <58noi3$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> this is only a test, john do you see this.
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available Date: 12 Dec 1996 04:40:00 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58o2b0$5au@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, The new version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available from our ftp site: ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com/pub/products/OpenWrite/ This version fixes the "deleting home directory files" bug identified late last week. NOTE: OpenWrite is a LARGE app, and our site is going to be pretty busy for the next week or so, so be patient and try to download late at night if you are having trouble getting connected. Best Regards, Lynne Angeloro -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available Date: 12 Dec 1996 04:40:06 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58o2b6$5b2@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, The new version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available from our ftp site: ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com/pub/products/OpenWrite/ This version fixes the "deleting home directory files" bug identified late last week. NOTE: OpenWrite is a LARGE app, and our site is going to be pretty busy for the next week or so, so be patient and try to download late at night if you are having trouble getting connected. Best Regards, Lynne Angeloro -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: Brian Sutherland <rmaniac@onramp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Zilla Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:07:02 -0600 Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <32AF84E6.7C96@onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any information on Zilla or what can be done with it? Any docs, books, test or info of any sort would be helpful. Thanx, -Brian
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available Date: 12 Dec 1996 04:40:17 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58o2bh$5bn@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, The new version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available from our ftp site: ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com/pub/products/OpenWrite/ This version fixes the "deleting home directory files" bug identified late last week. NOTE: OpenWrite is a LARGE app, and our site is going to be pretty busy for the next week or so, so be patient and try to download late at night if you are having trouble getting connected. Best Regards, Lynne Angeloro -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available Date: 12 Dec 1996 04:40:49 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58o2ch$5cb@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, The new version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available from our ftp site: ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com/pub/products/OpenWrite/ This version fixes the "deleting home directory files" bug identified late last week. NOTE: OpenWrite is a LARGE app, and our site is going to be pretty busy for the next week or so, so be patient and try to download late at night if you are having trouble getting connected. Best Regards, Lynne Angeloro -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available Date: 12 Dec 1996 04:41:41 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58o2e5$5cg@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, The new version of OpenWrite 2.1-8 is now available from our ftp site: ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com/pub/products/OpenWrite/ This version fixes the "deleting home directory files" bug identified late last week. NOTE: OpenWrite is a LARGE app, and our site is going to be pretty busy for the next week or so, so be patient and try to download late at night if you are having trouble getting connected. Best Regards, Lynne Angeloro -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: "Robert G. Jacobs" <rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PopOver Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:26:55 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.92.961211182137.1645A-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have an Intel machine running NS3.3 and a black box running NS3.0. I am trying to setup PopOver to run on the Intel machine to grab mail off the my old NeXTStation. Two questions: Do I choose POP2 or POP3 or IMAP2 for a NeXTStation running 3.0? I currently get a 'Connection refused' error from the NeXTStation when my Intel box tries to popover and get mail. Where is this permission given? I do have an .rhosts file setup on the NeXTStation so I think that's okay. Any other ideas are also appreciated. Robert
From: Someone <Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU! Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:57:38 PST Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Message-ID: <1212199602573884616768825383Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> I hope that you know your GOD loves you, no matter what GOD you believe in. Thank your GOD for life and ask your GOD to let you live as your GOD would want you to. When we look closely at GOD we begin to realize that we all believe in the same GOD, we may see GOD in different ways, but GOD will always be GOD. There can only be one GOD, and that one GOD loves us all, and wants nothing but the best for us. If your in doubt, just remember GOD works in mysterious ways, there is a reason for everything... God thank you. Someone
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] In the Quantrix, How can I find the page number? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:18:37 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32AFDBF4.41AA@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <32A86A1A.59CD@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <58jji5$9b7@papoose.quick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James E. Quick wrote: > The easiest thing to do is to select Preview output from the Print > panel. You can then print only the pages you want from Preview.app. > > -- > ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com > / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. > \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 > ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished. Thanks, But It take much time. My data is very big. How can I fine the page number which I working on? YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (OPENSTEP News written by Korean) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/qa (OPENSTEP QA Board written by Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Icons...and releasing Message-ID: <E2AxBA.EH@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <584bqb$9km@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> <32A6A685.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:57:10 GMT Ok... now this really should go into c.s.n.programmer so please only follow-up there. OpenSteps mewmory management policies are quite simple even though it takes some time to get used to them and even though there are situations where you have to think twice. The situation below is not one of those and therefore a memory leak as presented below. If YOU create (= alloc or copy) an object YOU are responsible for releasing it. If YOU don't know for sure if SOMEONE (theDragView) will need it then YOU have to autorelease it (since release'ing would destroy it right away and propably pass an invalid object). Therefore the source below has to be modified to: [theDragView setImage:[[[NSImage alloc] initByReferencingFile:@"/tmp/tex2eps.eps"] autorelease]]; Aloha Tomi Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> wrote in comp.sys.next.software: > > - (void)your_method:(id)sender > { > > // NSImage +imageNamed is not not working with fullpath names > // only the images included in the project are accepted > // I hope, do not know, that NSImageView is releaseing the old > NSImage, > // if there is one ??? > > // DragView is a NSImageView > > [theDragView setImage:[[NSImage alloc] > initByReferencingFile:@"/tmp/tex2eps.eps"]]; > > return; > } > > > > > stef > > -- > ______________________________________________________________________ > /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ > | ... openstep, the biggest step | > | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | > | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | > | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| > | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| > \______________________________________________________________________/
From: i455@stio1 (Bergmann Winfried) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: PopOver Date: 12 Dec 1996 15:24:42 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <58p83r$ner@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <Pine.NXT.3.92.961211182137.1645A-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Robert G. Jacobs (rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : I have an Intel machine running NS3.3 and a black box running NS3.0. : I am trying to setup PopOver to run on the Intel machine to grab mail : off the my old NeXTStation. : Two questions: : Do I choose POP2 or POP3 or IMAP2 for a NeXTStation running 3.0? : I currently get a 'Connection refused' error from the NeXTStation when my : Intel box tries to popover and get mail. Where is this permission given? : I do have an .rhosts file setup on the NeXTStation so I think that's : okay. You have to run a popserver on your NeXTStation. qpopper should do it. It compiles just fine under Nextstep. The you have to choose POP3 in PopOver. : Any other ideas are also appreciated. : Robert -- ========================================================================== Winfried Bergmann | Germany - 91478 Ulsenheim 14 | I read it in the paper i455@stio1.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de | There's death on every page bergmann@rz-ppp-12.fh-wuerzburg.de|
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From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:43:32 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <57v82r$h3u@plains.nodak.edu> <gmd7A0G00UhW027Mx3@andrew.cmu.edu> <58hr04$hdk@castor.cca.rockwell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this question asked before and I see vauge replies. What features make it great? What are the specific advantages? Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: buber@u.washington.edu (Blas Pedro Uberuaga) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need help with MouseX Date: 12 Dec 1996 20:57:07 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <58prj3$b0q@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-User: buber I'm trying to install MouseX on my NeXT and am running into some difficulties. When I run the Xfe.app and try to start a session, it doesn't do anything. I have a feeling that it might be because I don't have X11 set up correctly, but am not sure. From the documention of MouseX, it seems that Xnext is the X server I want to point to. Is that correct? Does anyone have any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- --------------------======================================------------------- Blas Pedro Uberuaga Telleria Zabala Scott Urionaguena Eiguren Idoeta Dean buber@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~buber/
From: antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 13 Dec 1996 04:52:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961213045200.XAA29733@ladder01.news.aol.com> Just a question Nextstep is certainly the most mature 3rd Generation OS. I was wondering is the rift between Steve and Apple that bad.
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Webster Wildcard search? Date: 13 Dec 1996 02:46:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961213024600.VAA25738@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <58ldgm$e4l@news4.digex.net> This came up on the calligraphy mailing list a time ago, and I saved a definitive response. Hope this helps everyone! I'd like to note in passing that it'd be neat if the OED were available as an add-on for Digital Webster. William The Riddle: There are three words in the English language that end in 'gry. One is hungry and one is angry. What is the third word? Everyone uses this word every day. Everyone knows what it means and knows what it stands for. If you have listened very closely, I have already told you the third word. This riddle is a hoax. Other than hungry and angry, there are NO COMMON WORDS in English ending in -gry. If you would like to know the extent of this hoax, on the Internet, then go to Deja News (http://www.dejanews.com/forms/dnq.html) and do a search for -gry. This search will bring up more than 800 hits, in the newsgroups - but most of these are simply restatements of this bogus riddle (it has several variations) - or trivial comments/complaints regarding the same. However, taking a random sampling of these posts, I found some that were very interesting: In the newsgroup alt.usage.english, Dennis Baron <debaron@uiuc.edu> wrote: > *gry is the lexicographical equivalent of the snipe hunt. It is an urban myth, a folk tale, a perpetual question that I have seen come up on a regular basis for over 40 years, and I'm sure it goes back further than that. There are only 2 words, but everyone thinks there must be one more. The question must have been launched by some malicious wordgame fiend. It's curious that a number of people who don't read this newsgroup have asked me the same question this week. Must be something in the water. Also in alt.usage.english, Daniel P. B. Smith <dpbsmith@world.std.com> wrote: > I don't know if this will add to the noise or reduce it; net.police please give me credit for good intentions. I believe repeated postings of the answer are better than repeated postings of the question... > The stupid, boring, unfair query, "what word besides angry and hungry ends in -gry?" has been making the rounds. I did my bit to add to the noise. > I have since learned: > 1) It's not a proper query for this newsgroup, because it's a puzzle, not a question on English usage. > 2) On reading the FAQ for rec.puzzles I learned that it is not a proper query for rec.puzzles either, because it's an old puzzle and the answer is known and archived. > 3) The way I retrieved the answer was, following the directions in the FAQ, by sending e-mail > To: archive-request@questrel.com [...cut...] > 4) The answer I received from the archive was: > Aside from "angry" and "hungry" and words derived therefrom, there is only one word ending with "-gry" in Webster's Third Unabridged: "aggry." However, this word is defective in that it is part of a phrase "aggry beads." > The OED's usage examples all talk about "aggry beads." > Moving to older dictionaries, we find that "gry" itself is a word in Webster's Second Unabridged (and the OED): > gry, n. [L. gry, a trifle; Gr. gry, a grunt] -- 1. a measure equal to one-tenth of a line. [Obs.] 2. anything very small. [Rare.] > This is a list of 100 words, phrases and names ending in "gry": > [Explanation of references is given at the end of the list.] > aggry [OED:1:182; W2; W3] > Agry Dagh (Mount Agry) [EB11] > ahungry [OED:1:194; FW; W2] > angry [OED; FW; W2; W3] > anhungry [OED:1:332; W2] > Badagry [Johnston; EB11] > Ballingry [Bartholomew:40; CLG:151; RD:164, pl.49] > begry [OED:1:770,767] > bewgry [OED:1:1160] > bowgry [OED:1:1160] > braggry [OED:1:1047] > Bugry [TIG] > Chockpugry [Worcester] > Cogry [BBC] > cony-gry [OED:2:956] > conyngry [OED:2:956] > Croftangry [DFC, as "Chrystal Croftangry"] > dog-hungry [W2] > Dshagry [Stieler] > Dzagry [Andree] > eard-hungry [CED (see "yird"); CSD] > Echanuggry [Century:103-104, on inset map, Key 104 M 2] > Egry [France; TIG] > ever-angry [W2] > fire-angry [W2] > Gagry [EB11] > gry (from Latin _gry_) [OED:4/2:475; W2] > gry (from Romany _grai_) [W2] [...cut!...] > This list was gathered from the following articles: > George H. Scheetz, In Goodly Gree: With Goodwill, Word Ways 22:195 (Nov. 1989) > Murray R. Pearce, Who's Flaithbhertach MacLoingry?, Word Ways 23:6 (Feb. 1990) > Harry B. Partridge, Gypsy Hobby Gry, Word Ways 23:9 (Feb. 1990) > A. Ross Eckler, -Gry Words in the OED, Word Ways 25:4 (Nov. 1992) > References: [...huge list of references...cut...] Daniel P. B. Smith then adds: > I also got an understandably irritated e-mail from Lars Eighner who says that the following answer has in fact been posted repeatedly to a.u.e. [alt.usage.english] > Lars Eighner wrote: >> Somewhere you have heard a puzzle stating that there are three English words ending in -gry. Hungry and angry are two. You wish to supply the third. >> There answer is: there is no such word if you mean one that is even remotely common or one that you would be likely to recognize if you saw it. >> There are a handful of obsolete or nonce words including "gry" itself and "puggry" a variant spelling of a Hindi word. If you don't recognize these as English words you won't recognize any of the others: aggry, begry, conyngry, higry pigry, iggry, meagry, menagry, nangry, podagry, skugry. >> Many of these are variant spellings or fanciful coinages that never achieved much currency. This list is the result of an electronic search of the OED. Few or none of these words will be found in a standard, college-sized dictionary. (Compounds are omitted from the above list.) So, to sum up, this so-called riddle does not have a valid answer. ============End Ross Green Provo, Utah William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:01:16 -0600 From: ozgur.huner@utoronto.ca Subject: WTB: NeXT Software Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <850452706.12138@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: ozgur.huner@utoronto.ca I would like to buy just about any software that will run on my Nextstation Turbo/Nextstep 2.2. Of particular interest: page layout, design, drawing, spreadsheet, database, etc. If you have anything around you don't want anymore, please e-mail me (ozgur.huner@utoronto.ca) and suggest a price. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to display an image on Next Station? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:54:12 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services-Illinois State University Message-ID: <32B0EF77.615@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <bordet-1112962019590001@u331-3.univ-lyon1.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: jean-claude BORDET <bordet@cimac-res.univ-lyon1.fr> jean-claude BORDET wrote: > I have a Next Station and I am looking for a simple program > to display an image. Does anyone know where I can find > a such program. Look no further than Omni Image, at http://www.omnigroup.com -Eric -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail R&D@Instructional Technology Services@Illinois State University Space is the place, the place where we must go! ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Webster Wildcard search? Date: 13 Dec 1996 03:34:13 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58qirl$dmu@nntp1.best.com> References: <58ldgm$e4l@news4.digex.net> <19961213024600.VAA25738@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19961213024600.VAA25738@ladder01.news.aol.com> Actually the way I've heard this riddle and the ONLY way it makes sense is: "Angry and hungry are two words in the English language that end in "-gry" - what is the third word? It is a common word that you use every day." The answer is: HUNGRY The solution is to interpret the question as: "Angry and hungry are two words in the English language that end in "-gry" - what is the third word [IN THIS SENTENCE]? It is a common word that you use every day." - Chris --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199612130014.TAA02032@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 19:14:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Fiend and BackManager Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Original Date: 11 Dec 1996 03:42:20 GMT Message-ID: > I picked up Fiend from peak because of comments regarding it and > LaunchBar. I discovered when Fiend is running, Backmanager doesn't > work! Try turning off the Shelf in Fiend. I don't know if it will help or not > I have been running BackManager for a long time. It allows you to > click anywhere on the background where it will drop a menu of your > choice from which you can select a program to run. I don't know BackManager, but it sounds, to me, like LaunchBar makes it easier to run a program, because you don't have to go for the mouse. And it's free, which is also nice. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: jut@ukrv.de (J.-U. Thieme) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: installing Win95 on dual partition Win3.1/NS system Date: 13 Dec 1996 16:22:31 GMT Organization: Charité - Virchow-Klinikum , Medical Faculty of Humboldt-University in Berlin Distribution: world Message-ID: <58rvs8$148@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <58kjr2$es@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Cc: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU In <58kjr2$es@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Karl Pfleger wrote: > I've got a system with 2 HD partitions, one running DOS/Win3.1 and the other > NS3.2/Intel with the NEXTSTEP boot selector. I want to install Win95 to the > DOS/Win3.1 partition. Will the Win95 upgrade CD installation process blow > away the NEXTSTEP installed boot selector? Can I prevent this? How do I > re-install the NS boot selector after it has been blown away? > > Couldn't find anything about this in the NS/Intel installation instructions. > I did read a Win95 install README that talked about the same problem/process > with OS/2 but it talked about the boot manager having a separate partition > viewable with FDisk and that doesn't seem to be the case for the NS boot > manager. > > -Karl > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Karl Pfleger kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu http://www.stanford.edu/~kpfleger/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here is the answer : ------ Jon Day <jonday@wpi.edu> wrote: > on my Intel box. All was well until I I installed windows 95. It knocked > out my boot prompt for NeXT. Boot Win95, start FDISK and set the NEXTSTEP partition "active". When you reboot, NEXTSTEP will start normally. Then login as root and enter in a terminal window disk -B0 /usr/standalone/i386/boot0 /dev/rsd0a (Use /dev/rhd0a instead of /dev/rsd0a if you have an IDE disk, not a SCSI disk.) This will restore the NeXT boot sector. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 Mail: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (MIME/NeXT accepted) WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink -------- CIAO JUT -- -------------------------------------------------------------- - Dipl.-Ing. (FH) J.- U. Thieme - -------------------------------------------------------------- - send to : jut@ukrv.de or jut@rz.charite.hu-berlin.de - - -> NeXTMail & PGP welcome <- - - phone : +49 30 450 66127 - - fax: +49 30 450 66937 - -------------------------------------------------------------- - location : virchow-hospital in berlin (germany) - -------------------------------------------------------------- - "I am saddened -- not by Microsoft's success, I have no - - problem with their success, they've earned their success - - ...for the most part -- I have a problem with the fact - - that they just make really third-rate products." - - - - Steven Paul Jobs - --------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.win95,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.wanted,comp.sys.next.software,es.actualidad,es.alt.anuncios.compra-venta,es.alt.sexo,es.compra-venta,es.charla.actualidad,es.charla.cooperacion,es.fo Subject: cmsg cancel <01bbe670$ecd49120$9735e0c2@futuro1> Message-ID: <cancel.01bbe670$ecd49120$9735e0c2@futuro1> From: "Seeking Distributors Video Screensavers NEW!" <futurocom@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 09:00:00 EST Control: cancel <01bbe670$ecd49120$9735e0c2@futuro1> Cancelling an excessive cross-post.
Message-ID: <32B1D641.25A1@nmaa.org> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:18:41 -0800 From: Daniel Fahey <dansources@nmaa.org> Organization: DanSources Technical Services Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.,announce,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Corba and Next Developers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HELLO CORBA and NEXT Developers: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey
From: Salvo@AccessOne .COM (Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: sendmail: From: line construct Date: 13 Dec 1996 19:34:54 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <58sb4u$60p@kanga.accessone.com> My standalone user account is 'marc'. My Internet address is 'salvo@accessone.com'; I declare my domain as 'accessone.com in /etc/resolv.conf.. For mail that I send, the From: line contains 'marc@salvo.accessone.com', instead of 'salvo@accessone.com'. Can someone point me in the right direction so that I can realize the latter? -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
From: DAVID HOUTS <dhouts@haywire.csuhayward.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: QUERY: How to configure OmniWeb? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:43:55 -0800 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961213173130.1393B-100000@haywire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahoy! I am a newbie and wish to evolve from surfing via the prompt to cruising graphically. I have OmniWeb on the Lighthouse academic CD. I wish some help on how to get it "on-line". If I could just get a starting point. I'm frustrated at clicking OmniWeb "HELP" and getting "..error..":( NO *HIT! How do configure OmniWeb? 1. Do I need to upgrade to a PPP or SLIP? 2. I have NeXT "Sys & Net Admin": Is it related to "host aliases" & "broadcast host"? 3. Where do I start to configure this app, enter my IS info? Thank you for your suggestions.
From: "Mark Bessey" <MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Zilla Date: 13 Dec 1996 20:39:59 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbe937$6dcbda90$3e031281@bananajr> References: <32AF84E6.7C96@onramp.net> Brian Sutherland <rmaniac@onramp.net> wrote in article <32AF84E6.7C96@onramp.net>... > Does anyone have any information on Zilla or what can be done with it? > Any docs, books, test or info of any sort would be helpful. > Thanx, > -Brian Zilla is a system for running programs on a number of computers when they're otherwise idle. The online help in Zilla.app explains (more or less) how to set things up. As for what you can do with it, Zilla has been used at NeXT for various research projects in cryptography and video compression. Basically, any difficult computing problem that can be partitioned into relatively large chunks is a candidate for zilla-zation. -Mark
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Sorry for the multiple psoting (Maybe this one, too) Date: 14 Dec 1996 07:30:07 GMT Message-ID: <58tl1v$gc2@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Sorry for the multiple posting. Each press of the Post button resulted in a "Posting Failed" advisory, and I was surprised to see that even one made it out. May have to do the same with this one. Damn! Bill
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: And also the long lines! Date: 14 Dec 1996 07:32:37 GMT Message-ID: <58tl6l$geo@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Sloppy posting. Inadvertently left the max line length at 100 instead of something more reasonable. Sorry about that. Bill PS: I really DO need help with sendmail!
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 13 Dec 1996 13:47:41 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <58rmpt$eq6@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) wrote: >In <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Gary Finley wrote: >> You've got to hand it to the folks at Lighthouse. Imagine IBM or >> Microsoft admitting culpability for such a serious bug, and then >> getting a fix out the door in a few days. Few companies in the >> software biz have this kind of class. >> >It's strange that a bug this critical and devastating had escaped them up >until just two weeks ago. I have lost critical data and even more critical >time because of this bug. I can't even begin to imagine the lawsuits if >Microsoft or IBM distributed a program that wiped out *all* files in all >their users' home directories! Microsoft *did* distribute programs which wiped out data: the setup of nearly every DOS version I know formated all "unformated" partitions on the system and not just partition C as it said. I know several people who lost their OS/2, Linux,... partitions this way. In your case I agree that you have bad luck. But on the other side I told all students I gave technical support on writing their thesis on our institute computers, that they should make backups every day. Buggy programs are not the only way you can loose data. > Rather than just a single posting to c.s.n.software, they should email > users and post to c.s.n.announce, and also put something on the web site, > at minimum. I read their announcement in c.s.n.a about the fixed version on their server just 10 minutes ago. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Zilla Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:29:30 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32B210F4.696A@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <32AF84E6.7C96@onramp.net> <01bbe937$6dcbda90$3e031281@bananajr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Bessey wrote: > > Brian Sutherland <rmaniac@onramp.net> wrote in article > <32AF84E6.7C96@onramp.net>... > > Does anyone have any information on Zilla or what can be done with it? > > Any docs, books, test or info of any sort would be helpful. > > Thanx, > > -Brian > Zilla is a system for running programs on a number of computers when > they're otherwise idle. The online help in Zilla.app explains (more or > less) how to set things up. As for what you can do with it, Zilla has been > used at NeXT for various research projects in cryptography and video > compression. Basically, any difficult computing problem that can be > partitioned into relatively large chunks is a candidate for zilla-zation. > > -Mark Can I use Zilla.app for image processecing or rendering on the TIFFany.app or solidThinking? Could you show me the example? YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News and NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Need a program to grab screen Date: 14 Dec 1996 09:25:06 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <58trpi$lqm@news.digifix.com> References: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> On 12/13/96, Brant_Evans wrote: >Hello, > >I am looking for a program that will allow me to grab windows, selected >areas of the screen and possibly the whole screen. I am using NeXTSTEP 3.3 >on Intel hardware. > >NS 3.3 comes with a grab.app but I need to be able to save the results as >a .jpg and/or .gif for publishing on the web. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks > What you want to do is use Grab.app, and then convert the files to .gif or .jpg using something like ToyViewer.app Its available on ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 14 Dec 1996 03:43:05 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <58t7o9$npa@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <19961213045200.XAA29733@ladder01.news.aol.com> antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) wrote: > Just a question Nextstep is certainly the most mature 3rd Generation > OS. I was wondering is the rift between Steve and Apple that bad. Note that Apple hasn't actually picked BeOS yet. They are seriously considering it, but the decision has not been made. Apple is also seriously considering some other options (most of which they are keeping quiet about). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 14 Dec 1996 05:57:07 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: : If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they : make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? : Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the : Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this : question asked before and I see vauge replies. : What features make it great? : What are the specific advantages? For the UI: NeXTStep and Openstep are very stable. They rarely crash. But I've heard that the cheap O/S 2 Warp is just as stable. And so is MS's Windows NT. The NeXT enviroment is object oriented. So it's easy to write softwares, or custom applications. And it's easy to add more or new functions to an existing app. For the OS: If I'm not wrong, Mach is a some form of a revision of Unix. Unix, again, is more stable and powerful than DOS. And Mach is just a Unix without bugs. I am certain on the UI part but not so sure on the OS part. Just from experince ( I've used DOS, Amiga OS, Mac's System 7, Solaris and Windows, all with good amount of time ), I can tell you this for sure: MS Window95 sucks. Even the Amiga has a better kernel and interface. Hope this helps.
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 14 Dec 1996 02:46:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961214024500.VAA04676@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> Well, I can't provide a terribly technical answer, but I can provide the following personal reasons for using NeXTStep. 1. My brother-in-law gave me a Cube. This may work for others, since you can now purchase a complete NS system for less than the price of Mach for Macintosh. 2. Display PostScript--this is kind of dead in the water for me, though it's very important, because I'm still trying to track down a copy of Altsys Virtuoso, which is a counterpart to FreeHand, which is the illustration package I usually use. Having DPS means that I (once I get Virtuoso) will never again have a discrepancy between what I see on-screen and what I print, that I will be able to use PostScript fills with confidence because they will show up on-screen, and that what I design will print--coming over from FreeHand under Windows, this is all a huge improvement (once I get Virtuoso). 3. Mach is Unix--learning Unix is to my mind a fairly valuable commodity, moreover, Unix is arguably the most stable operating system in nearly every positive sense of the word. 4. NeXTStep is gorgeous--I'm learning to be a graphic designer, and aesthetics are very important to me, and I find the on-screen appearance of the Mac and Windows less than perfect, even when using utilities to modify them. William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: getting Return-Path and Sender correct in a PPP world Date: 14 Dec 1996 06:50:48 GMT Message-ID: <58tio8$5ck@news0-alterdial.uu.net> I have 3.3 running on a stand-alone system. Have an ISP which provides an e-mail address, news, etc via a PPP connection. I have found how to set the From: and Reply-To: headers via the Mail.app preferences so they refer to MyISPuserid@MyISP.com. However, Mail.app provides a Sender header which sendmail (I presume) translates the address into myuserid@myhostname. In addition, sendmail (again, I presume) provides other headers, in particular the Return-Path: header, also containing myuserid@myhostname. How do I get sendmail to put MyISPuserid@MyISP.com in those two places? The problem I'm encountering is that if I have a mail bounce at some destination, the typical mail daemons return my mail via the Return-Path: which is an invalid address when it gets back to MyISP. There it bounces to the ISP postmaster, and I am getting asked to fix my system so that he dosen't see all that crap. I also suspect there are e-mail applications out there (probably anything on a PeeCee :-) that "reply" using the Return-Path or the Sender header information instead of the From: or Reply-To: headers. I've browsed the sendmail.cf, read the man pages for sendmail, have read the Appendix in the NeXTAdmin reference, and have even bought the O'Reilly sendmail book (although I haven't been able to get through it yet). I have tried a few simple changes in the sendmail.cf with no positive results (and fortunately haven't really damaged anything either :-) Help, please! Thanks in advance. Bill Lee BillLee@cleaf.com
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: getting Return-Path and Sender correct in a PPP world Date: 14 Dec 1996 06:51:17 GMT Message-ID: <58tip5$5em@news0-alterdial.uu.net> I have 3.3 running on a stand-alone system. Have an ISP which provides an e-mail address, news, etc via a PPP connection. I have found how to set the From: and Reply-To: headers via the Mail.app preferences so they refer to MyISPuserid@MyISP.com. However, Mail.app provides a Sender header which sendmail (I presume) translates the address into myuserid@myhostname. In addition, sendmail (again, I presume) provides other headers, in particular the Return-Path: header, also containing myuserid@myhostname. How do I get sendmail to put MyISPuserid@MyISP.com in those two places? The problem I'm encountering is that if I have a mail bounce at some destination, the typical mail daemons return my mail via the Return-Path: which is an invalid address when it gets back to MyISP. There it bounces to the ISP postmaster, and I am getting asked to fix my system so that he dosen't see all that crap. I also suspect there are e-mail applications out there (probably anything on a PeeCee :-) that "reply" using the Return-Path or the Sender header information instead of the From: or Reply-To: headers. I've browsed the sendmail.cf, read the man pages for sendmail, have read the Appendix in the NeXTAdmin reference, and have even bought the O'Reilly sendmail book (although I haven't been able to get through it yet). I have tried a few simple changes in the sendmail.cf with no positive results (and fortunately haven't really damaged anything either :-) Help, please! Thanks in advance. Bill Lee BillLee@cleaf.com
From: beva@evans.az.stratus.com (Brant_Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need a program to grab screen Date: 14 Dec 1996 05:47:07 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> Hello, I am looking for a program that will allow me to grab windows, selected areas of the screen and possibly the whole screen. I am using NeXTSTEP 3.3 on Intel hardware. NS 3.3 comes with a grab.app but I need to be able to save the results as a .jpg and/or .gif for publishing on the web. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: getting Return-Path and Sender correct in a PPP world Date: 14 Dec 1996 06:58:06 GMT Message-ID: <58tj5u$7d4@news0-alterdial.uu.net> I have 3.3 running on a stand-alone system. Have an ISP which provides an e-mail address, news, etc via a PPP connection. I have found how to set the From: and Reply-To: headers via the Mail.app preferences so they refer to MyISPuserid@MyISP.com. However, Mail.app provides a Sender header which sendmail (I presume) translates the address into myuserid@myhostname. In addition, sendmail (again, I presume) provides other headers, in particular the Return-Path: header, also containing myuserid@myhostname. How do I get sendmail to put MyISPuserid@MyISP.com in those two places? The problem I'm encountering is that if I have a mail bounce at some destination, the typical mail daemons return my mail via the Return-Path: which is an invalid address when it gets back to MyISP. There it bounces to the ISP postmaster, and I am getting asked to fix my system so that he dosen't see all that crap. I also suspect there are e-mail applications out there (probably anything on a PeeCee :-) that "reply" using the Return-Path or the Sender header information instead of the From: or Reply-To: headers. I've browsed the sendmail.cf, read the man pages for sendmail, have read the Appendix in the NeXTAdmin reference, and have even bought the O'Reilly sendmail book (although I haven't been able to get through it yet). I have tried a few simple changes in the sendmail.cf with no positive results (and fortunately haven't really damaged anything either :-) Help, please! Thanks in advance. Bill Lee BillLee@cleaf.com
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: getting Return-Path and Sender correct in a PPP world Date: 14 Dec 1996 07:00:02 GMT Message-ID: <58tj9i$830@news0-alterdial.uu.net> I have 3.3 running on a stand-alone system. Have an ISP which provides an e-mail address, news, etc via a PPP connection. I have found how to set the From: and Reply-To: headers via the Mail.app preferences so they refer to MyISPuserid@MyISP.com. However, Mail.app provides a Sender header which sendmail (I presume) translates the address into myuserid@myhostname. In addition, sendmail (again, I presume) provides other headers, in particular the Return-Path: header, also containing myuserid@myhostname. How do I get sendmail to put MyISPuserid@MyISP.com in those two places? The problem I'm encountering is that if I have a mail bounce at some destination, the typical mail daemons return my mail via the Return-Path: which is an invalid address when it gets back to MyISP. There it bounces to the ISP postmaster, and I am getting asked to fix my system so that he dosen't see all that crap. I also suspect there are e-mail applications out there (probably anything on a PeeCee :-) that "reply" using the Return-Path or the Sender header information instead of the From: or Reply-To: headers. I've browsed the sendmail.cf, read the man pages for sendmail, have read the Appendix in the NeXTAdmin reference, and have even bought the O'Reilly sendmail book (although I haven't been able to get through it yet). I have tried a few simple changes in the sendmail.cf with no positive results (and fortunately haven't really damaged anything either :-) Help, please! Thanks in advance. Bill Lee BillLee@cleaf.com
From: DAVID HOUTS <dhouts@haywire.csuhayward.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: QUERY: Did I see Zyxel fax/voice driver posted in c.s.n.announce? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:49:35 -0800 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961213174706.1393C-100000@haywire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahoy! If so, could someone please reply with source (FTP site). Tanx.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 14 Dec 1996 08:38:50 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they >: make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? >: Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the >: Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this >: question asked before and I see vauge replies. >: What features make it great? >: What are the specific advantages? > Apart from the superior UI and developer's tools Mach is a full UNIX operating system that is very stable under heavy load. Many large corporations use it for mission critical applications, especially in the financial sector where more than 1000 users on a network is not uncommon. Under those kinds of conditions NT just doesn't cut it. Once you have used Nextstep/Openstep you soon realize Win95 is for kids........
From: Ones-And-Zeros@Prodigy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ! MASS POST Was Here (pmvrpd) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 12:31:52 GMT Organization: Ones And Zeros, Corp. Message-ID: <58u6nq$7a1m@usenet1w.prodigy.net> MASS POST, by Ones And Zeros, will let you post to as many newsgroups as you want! To find out more about this exciting new program, visit a business newsgroup. (This ad was sent to thousands of newsgroups!) (fxfpcl)
From: suhails@ibm.net (Suhail M. Ahmed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEWBIE:How to connect using PPP/SLIP Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:30:16 GMT Message-ID: <2ec4fa95.1210308@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Hi, Could someone kindly tell me how connect Nextstep 3.3 to my ISP as I hope to use NS exclusively for all my work. Unfortunately all my internet connectivity is still stuck on Windows 95. Any pointers on some decent shareware/freeware dialup app to use to accomplish SLIP/PPP? Could you also suggest a decent book on using Nextstep, something beyond the user guide. Thanks in advance, Cheers Suhail
From: Blake LeBaron <blake@ai.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Openstep Developer under Win/NT Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:14:36 -0800 Organization: University of Wisconsin Message-ID: <32B2E07C.7B05@ai.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone using the Openstep development system under Win/NT? What friendly NS tools come with it? I assume it has a complete port of gcc (next version). Also, how hard is it to rewrite programs in Openstep that were written for Nextstep(3.3)? Blake LeBaron
From: "Raymond L. Ehrlich" <rehrlich@sprintmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Internet Browser software for Next 3.2 operating system on Black Slab Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:40:21 -0500 Organization: Sprint Internet Passport Technical Center - Tampa, Florida Message-ID: <32B2F495.53DC@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone recommend a software package to be used to access and browse the Internet for Next station running NextStep 3.2 software. Thanks, Rayehrlich@sprintmail.com
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From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 13 Dec 1996 00:17:09 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <58q7a5$int@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5877gb$5gb@nntp1.best.com> <589gic$s60@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <58abbg$14r2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <58fe9i$pbc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <58fsn0$n50@usenet.rpi.edu> <58he4a$1o5g@news.doit.wisc.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961209094049.505B-100000@kira> <58je00$q5d@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > This is why I, and I believe Michael, are bitching: I certainly > get the impression, and if someone proves me wrong then I will > gladly apologise and withdraw my comments, that LH have known > about the problem for more than just a couple of days. They > appear in this case to have only responded now that someone has > gone public about it. By your definition, therefore, which is > close to the one I'm using, they are negligent and liable. It is not at all clear what information they had before this "going public" article. Michael came up with a detailed problem report which did an excellent job of pinning down likely causes of a real problem. As near as I can tell, they responded to that bug report immediately and responsibly. Now, it is said that they have been getting reports of this problem for some time (at least a few months?). However, it has not been stated just *what* those reports were. There is a difference between a detailed bug report that points a clear finger in the right direction, and other (equally valid) bug reports which don't happen to have enough details to pin down the problem. I know I've been on the receiving end of bug reports where people are reporting very real problems, but ones which I can not for the life of me reproduce. Until I can pin down the problem, I can't very well do much to fix it. And if I can't reproduce the problem, I'm not going to go running around telling everyone that there *may* be a serious bug in some program. So, depending on how much info Lighthouse Design had in these earlier bug reports, maybe I would be as upset with them as anyone else has been. However, based on the evidence presented so far, and based on their excellent service on all of their applications that I have used (*), I'm inclined to expect more details before crying out that they have been irresponsible. (* - Note that I don't happen to use OpenWrite, for whatever that is worth. I am not "desparate" for OpenWrite support, as Michael suggests in a different usenet article). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:39:06 -0800 Organization: internet1 Internet News Site Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32B364CA.2539@internet1.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > >: If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they > >: make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? > >: Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the > >: Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this > >: question asked before and I see vauge replies. > >: What features make it great? > >: What are the specific advantages? > > > > Apart from the superior UI and developer's tools Mach is a full UNIX > operating system that is very stable under heavy load. Many large > corporations use it for mission critical applications, especially in the > financial sector where more than 1000 users on a network is not uncommon. > Under those kinds of conditions NT just doesn't cut it. > > Once you have used Nextstep/Openstep you soon realize Win95 is for > kids........ > > ------------ If I remember correctly, it supports multiprocessing as well. So I say to the above comments: Amen, Brother... Jeffery Hugh Kavanaugh
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to display an image on Next Station? Date: 15 Dec 1996 00:11:16 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <58vfn4$8gg@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <bordet-1112962019590001@u331-3.univ-lyon1.fr> <32B0EF77.615@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In-Reply-To: <32B0EF77.615@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> > Look no further than Omni Image, at http://www.omnigroup.com > Umm, actually I'd look at ToyViewer. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: "Yash L. Khemani" <khemani@plexstar.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:57:36 -0500 Organization: Plexstar, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > >: If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they > >: make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? > >: Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the > >: Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this > >: question asked before and I see vauge replies. > >: What features make it great? > >: What are the specific advantages? > > > > Apart from the superior UI and developer's tools Mach is a full UNIX > operating system that is very stable under heavy load. Many large > corporations use it for mission critical applications, especially in the > financial sector where more than 1000 users on a network is not uncommon. > Under those kinds of conditions NT just doesn't cut it. > > Once you have used Nextstep/Openstep you soon realize Win95 is for > kids........ can you tell me why i might consider it over another flavor of unix? i currently use solaris 2.5 for sparc at work. i've played with solaris 2.5 for x86 and linux in the past, but there is a larger variety and better offering of various software for win95, and so i am using that. it is clear from looking at the history of ibm's os/2 that what makes or breaks an operating system is not how powerful it is, but what software is available for it (similar story with what has happened to the machitosh). so what sort of software is available for nextstep? yash -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Yash L. Khemani | E-Mail: khemani@plexstar.com | | Plexstar, Inc., Reston, VA | WWW: http://www.plexstar.com | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: QUERY: Did I see Zyxel fax/voice driver posted in c.s.n.announce? Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:20:41 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec15.072041.21265@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961213174706.1393C-100000@haywire> In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.961213174706.1393C-100000@haywire> DAVID HOUTS <dhouts@haywire.csuhayward.edu> writes: > Ahoy! > > If so, could someone please reply with source (FTP site). It's on Peanuts try any of: http://peanuts.leo.org/peanuts/index-e.html, ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next, ftp://ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/. Look in: Communication/programs/newam.0.2.NIHS.b.tar.gz. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <32ADF79A.2EE4@ibm.net> Control: cancel <32ADF79A.2EE4@ibm.net> Date: 14 Dec 1996 12:19:22 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development Message-ID: <58u60a$b1i@alice.turbocat.de> cancel
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 15 Dec 1996 08:17:55 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> Yash L. Khemani (khemani@plexstar.com) wrote: : can you tell me why i might consider it over another flavor of unix? : i currently use solaris 2.5 for sparc at work. i've played with : solaris 2.5 for x86 and linux in the past, but there is a larger : variety and better offering of various software for win95, and so i : am using that. it is clear from looking at the history of ibm's os/2 : that what makes or breaks an operating system is not how powerful it : is, but what software is available for it (similar story with what has : happened to the machitosh). Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. Depends on what software you want. Mac is still stronger in the publishing area. For other apps, there ARE more and better apps around. Just that there's an illusion that there isn't. For one, there are some packages better than MS Office on other OS. But hardly anyone can name an alternate choice. Just like in my home country, the Macs are inferior machines, simply becuase no one heard of those. History can't clearly tell us anything. In my opinion, history suggested that marketing is all that matters. But I hope people will be different in the future. : so what sort of software is available for nextstep? Very little. Though they are all free from NeXT ftp sites. But things I need are there, that's all that matters to me.
From: mycroft@nntp.best.com (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 15 Dec 1996 10:48:00 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <590l10$lt7@nntp1.best.com> References: <19961213045200.XAA29733@ladder01.news.aol.com> AntonManor (antonmanor@aol.com) wrote: : Just a question Nextstep is certainly the most mature 3rd Generation OS. : I was wondering is the rift between Steve and Apple that bad. If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say it's got a lot to do with BeOS' strong real time media support. But I wouldn't be surprised that Jobs being on the Apple black list (so to speak) may be a part of it. It seems to me that outsourcing their next generation OS would be such an embarrassment to Apple that they'd not wish to compound that pain by having to come crawling back to Jobs to pull their butts out of the fire. But I'm not that up on things... do keep in mind that this is just my feelings on the subject. It could be that Apple is a mature and enlightened company which understands the value of partnership and is willing to swallow whatever pride it may have to in order to choose the best path to insure it's future. -- alex currier | Reactiveware - Clothing for the 22nd Century mycroft@best.com | www.reactiveware.com
From: mycroft@nntp.best.com (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Need a program to grab screen Date: 15 Dec 1996 10:51:09 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <590l6t$lt7@nntp1.best.com> References: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> : NS 3.3 comes with a grab.app but I need to be able to save the results as : a .jpg and/or .gif for publishing on the web. Grab.app is probably the best screen capture utility you're going to get for NS. Perhaps you should consider looking for a program which can convert the tiff files made by Grab.app into something that can be used on the web. I imagine you'd want some control over image dimensions, palette and file size which no screen capture utility is going to offer you. And if you find a good shareware image manipulation program, let me know! I need to be able to do some image processing on my NeXT at home and something like this would be useful for me too. -- alex currier | Reactiveware - Clothing for the 22nd Century mycroft@best.com | www.reactiveware.com
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Internet Browser software for Next 3.2 operating system on Black Slab Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:15:30 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32B4241A.3EDB@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <32B2F495.53DC@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Raymond L. Ehrlich wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a software package to be used to access and browse > the Internet for Next station running NextStep 3.2 software. > Thanks, > > Rayehrlich@sprintmail.com To get Web-Browser, Check out follwing web-sites. Netsurfer: http://www.netsurfer.com:80/Products/Netsurfer.html OmniWeb: http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/OmniWeb/2/ YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News and NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: NEWBIE:How to connect using PPP/SLIP Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961215142240.30723B-100000@nerc1.nerc.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 14:24:27 -0500 To: "Suhail M. Ahmed" <suhails@ibm.net> In-Reply-To: 406bc315622658832557d006646e19f8 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII checkout http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ppp.html That should be enough to get you going. TjL
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software,microsoft.public.excel.misc Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19961216.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19961209.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19961202.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 16 Dec 1996 03:00:00 -0700 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: biweekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas Frequently Asked Questions == FAQ cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ list can be obtained via all news.answers access methods: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The FAQ list for comp.apps.spreadsheets is located on rtfm.mit.edu at /pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq>
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Need a program to grab screen Date: 16 Dec 1996 13:06:16 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <593hg8$blp@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> <590l6t$lt7@nntp1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <590l6t$lt7@nntp1.best.com> On 12/15/96, Alex Currier wrote: > And if you find a good shareware image manipulation program, let me know! > I need to be able to do some image processing on my NeXT at home and > something like this would be useful for me too. > Some relevant info is gathered at: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~malc/NEXTSTEP/WWW/ Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 16 Dec 1996 08:13:00 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5930ac$89o@news.bctel.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> <592ci8$meo@news.Hawaii.Edu> tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: >John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: >: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: >: > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut >: UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. > >: REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was >: improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work >: with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris >: (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots >: someone can point me to? I briefly used a Sun and the UI is nothing like that of NEXTSEP/OPENSTEP, from what I recall it was more like Mac. NEXT's PS Megapixel 21" display was years ahead of its time back in 92 and still beats anything today! Even though my slab is comparatively slow I still prefer using it for the UI. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for the garbage they trick the masses into buying...there are superior alternatives! Steve Jobs was right in saying that Microsoft "has no taste".
From: Arman A Anwar <aanwar@osf1.gmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Newbe : needs info on free sofwatre for NeXT, Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 02:43:44 -0500 Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961216024222.16962G-100000@osf1.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, I just bout a Next Turbo .. Could a kind soul out ther inform me on what development options out there are availabe for NeXT 3.3 ?? Regards, Arman. -+-+ A r m a n .. A l i .. A n w a r +-+- +-+- -+-+ Center for Information Systems Integration and Evolution { aanwar@gmu.edu, http://isse.gmu.edu/~aaanwar, (703) 993-1632 } +-+- -+-+ -+-+ Know of an opening for a Patent Office Clerk? I'm looking for one +-+-
From: Pawel Brzeski <tr203@sgh.waw.pl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: instalation problem Date: 16 Dec 1996 18:02:24 GMT Organization: Warsaw School of Economics Message-ID: <5942rg$vg$1@dukat.sgh.waw.pl> Have you got the following problem, installing OPENSTEP on intel pc: selecting disk for installation and f-disk utility does not appear; after loading drivers for hdd and cd-rom controller I can see another screen with detected devices, and there is question about special file for root file system; however, disk is unformatted,and system cannot be installed. Interesting thing, disk is recognized properly, with its type and size. Maybe somebody can help me? Pawel Brzeski tr203@sgh.waw.pl
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Zilla Date: 16 Dec 1996 18:12:47 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5943ev$l1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32AF84E6.7C96@onramp.net> <01bbe937$6dcbda90$3e031281@bananajr> In-Reply-To: <01bbe937$6dcbda90$3e031281@bananajr> On 12/13/96, "Mark Bessey" wrote: > Zilla is a system for running programs on a number of computers when > they're otherwise idle. The online help in Zilla.app explains (more or > less) how to set things up. As for what you can do with it, Zilla has been > used at NeXT for various research projects in cryptography and video > compression. Basically, any difficult computing problem that can be > partitioned into relatively large chunks is a candidate for zilla-zation. > The rest of the world is finally (5 AC -- years after Crandall?) catching up: "Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley turn commodity workstations into a supercomputer." http://www.sun.com/sunworldonline/swol-12-1996/swol-12-now.html and perhaps more interestingly (for those who knew about Zilla years ago): Supercomputing with Java: http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1997/jw-01-dampp.html Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to convert *.ps to Mac readable eps Date: 16 Dec 1996 19:44:47 GMT Organization: JLC-net, Milford NH Message-ID: <5948rf$4cb@mozart.jlc.net> I've got some ps files I want to use on a mac. I'm wondering if there is a fairly painless non-postscript hacking way to get from NeXT ps to Mac eps? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Peace, James --- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.594c1l$ebj@oolong.memphis.edu> Control: cancel <594c1l$ebj@oolong.memphis.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <594c1l$ebj@oolong.memphis.edu> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:10:34 GMT Sender: InfiNet ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: joerd@mail.wsu.edu Subject: NeXTTeX Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: <961216040200.198AAFgI.wayne@pareto> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:02:00 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Organization: Washington State University I am transferring my Nextstep 3.3 to a newer computer and have developed a problem with TeX. I have put TeX k latex2e -V $file in .commanddict. On the old computer this created a command key to tex a document and display in TeXView. The -V option causes TeXView to start if not already started. On the new computer this command does not start up TeXView, even with the capital -V option. The command works if TeXView is already started but won't work otherwise. It seems I have not set some path variable in Edit but I can't find it and hope for some help since I've run out of ideas. Thanks for any help. Wayne Joerding Professor of Economics Ofc: 509-335-6468 Washington State University FAX: 509-335-4362 PO Box 644741 Pullman WA 99164 email: joerd@mail.wsu.edu "Stupidity always has the chance of being a capital offense."
From: israel@tzetzal.dcaa.unam.mx (Israel Quiroz plata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: I have a problems with PNI Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 03:01:33 GMT Organization: A Poorly Internet Site. Message-ID: <59527v$rkt@hp.fciencias.unam.mx> I have problems when I connect a server of internet with PNI, I have the next core tty: recvChars: timeout waiting for ready TTY tty: Login to 6228340 with cisco failed expect timed out -- no contingencyy expect timed out Can you help me? I cannot solve this problem. I use PNI 1.13 in Openstep 4.0 P.D> I'm sorry for mi english Thanks :)
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 15 Dec 1996 22:30:46 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <591u6m$l6b@news4.digex.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> > can you tell me why i might consider it over another flavor of unix? i currently use solaris 2.5 for sparc at work. i've played with solaris 2.5 for x86 and linux in the past, but there is a larger variety and better offering of various software for win95, and so i am using that. it is clear from looking at the history of ibm's os/2 that what makes or breaks an operating system is not how powerful it is, but what software is available for it (similar story with what has happened to the machitosh). > so what sort of software is available for nextstep? Although you may well be right...that line of reasoning suggests we will NEVER have anything but ms os products. B/C there are only apps for windows, windows will therefor forEVER be the only OS to use. If that is so, I'd stop using computers forever as well. I posit, it's not how many apps there are, but rather, how many apps there are that you NEED. The mac isn't dead yet for one simple reason...DTP. People need it, and so they use the mac. Someday, I hope, something will come out that we all NEED, that will kill the mediocre ms os domination. Anyway, for my needs the apps under NS are superior in several software catagories than windows offerings...except with one really sorly needed catagory. Word processing... Again, that's just for MY needs. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 15 Dec 1996 22:34:45 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots someone can point me to? Thanks. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612151953.LAA17332@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: bfd6faabbab81cde0f3b2a5bec0305cd - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 14:53:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Internet Browser software for Next 3.2 operating system on Black Slab Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: bfd6faabbab81cde0f3b2a5bec0305cd - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: "Raymond L. Ehrlich" <rehrlich@sprintmail.com> Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:40:21 -0500 > Can anyone recommend a software package to be used to access and > browse the Internet for Next station running NextStep 3.2 software. > Thanks, ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/OmniWeb.2.1.5.N.tar.gz and you'll need to install: http://www.next.com:80/NeXTanswers/ByNumber/2117.compressed [ ignore that it says it is for 3.3 only ] TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 05:07:03 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <592ldn$80e@news.digifix.com> References: <19961213045200.XAA29733@ladder01.news.aol.com> <590l10$lt7@nntp1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <590l10$lt7@nntp1.best.com> On 12/15/96, Alex Currier wrote: >AntonManor (antonmanor@aol.com) wrote: > >: Just a question Nextstep is certainly the most mature 3rd Generation OS. >: I was wondering is the rift between Steve and Apple that bad. > >If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say it's got a lot to do with BeOS' >strong real time media support. But I wouldn't be surprised that Jobs >being on the Apple black list (so to speak) may be a part of it. It seems >to me that outsourcing their next generation OS would be such an >embarrassment to Apple that they'd not wish to compound that pain by >having to come crawling back to Jobs to pull their butts out of the fire. > >But I'm not that up on things... do keep in mind that this is just my >feelings on the subject. It could be that Apple is a mature and >enlightened company which understands the value of partnership and is >willing to swallow whatever pride it may have to in order to choose the >best path to insure it's future. > I was doing Macintosh development back when Gassee ran Apple, and remember that he was _VERY_ popular with the Apple employees for the most part. The first WWDC after Michael 'Ya it will be different' Spindler took over Gassee spoke, and he got a HUGE reception. It was obvious that he had made a _connection_ to the people at Apple, and large numbers of the developers. So I'd say that its quite likely that internally there is alot of Gassee supporters, and that would influence things dramatically. While NEXTSTEP as a whole might not be adoptable by Apple, OpenStep APIs certainly could be. But then again, Apple seems to be self defeating of late.. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 02:10:46 GMT Organization: ace dot net internet technologies Distribution: inet Message-ID: <592b36$gi0@garfield.iaxs.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was : improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work : with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris : (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots : someone can point me to? ... if he's talking about OpenWindows/olvwm, he's a real glutton for punishment. -- # david young: +oo developer # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok)
From: jti@black.oas.ratol.fi (Jarkko Isokungas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ftp.lighthouse.com mirror @ ftp.funet.fi Date: 13 Dec 1996 20:40:47 +0200 Organization: Who cares? Message-ID: <58s7vf$lut@black.oas.ratol.fi> Summary: ftp.lighthouse.com mirrored at ftp.funet.fi ftp.lighthouse.com:/pub/products is from now on mirrored at ftp.funet.fi:/pub/NeXT/Commercial/Lighthouse Hopefully it will reduce "traffic" between US and Europe. If you have questions, mail to next-adm@ftp.funet.fi or directly to me. -- Jarkko Isokungas jti@ftp.funet.fi Co-maintainer of NeXT archive at funet
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 02:37:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <590l10$lt7@nntp1.best.com> One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so perhaps it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 02:35:52 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <592ci8$meo@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: : > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut : UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. : REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was : improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work : with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris : (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots : someone can point me to? I haven't receive my NeXT Openstep yet. Sorry, I meant to say ' of all I have used '. :)
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: 17 Dec 1996 11:30:22 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <59608e$qs5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> In-Reply-To: <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> On 12/14/96, jobs@globalobjects.com wrote: > There are two apps in beta; on I _think_ will be free, the > other will be a commercial app. The potentially free on is > called WebUp.app and is truly as WYSIWYG HTML editor. It's a > little strange, but it works OK as far as I've tested it. It > is by John Stanhope. The commercial app, LatinByrd, converts > NeXT RTF to HTML and does a reasonably good job of it. That > one's by Stefan Schnieder. There's a little blurb about it > on his web page: > Geez, I wasn't aware of either. Please, both of you, go for it -- these would be *very* useful. John, if you make yor current efforts available I *promise* I'll look at them and give feedback. I should note, however, that OpenWrite does also have support for WYSIWYG HTML editing, which seems to have improved somewhat with the new release (2.1.8) -- thanks Lighthouse. Best wishes, mmalc. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612170741.AA06423@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 08:41:10 +0100 Subject: Correction: Re: Why Apple did (not) pick the BeOS instead of OPENSTEP willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) wrote: > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so perhaps > it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. > > William > > > William Adams > > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. NEXTSTEP 3.3 and OPENSTEP 4.0 is already ported to the PowerPC, though not officialy, because some hardline NeXTengineers do port the actual NeXT-OS to the prototype NeXTbricks (2 x PPC 50Mhz - their home machines) in their spare times. Somebody will have Apple to know........ BTW: The last thing I have heard is that the BeOS deal is through... Because Apple and Gassee could *not* agree on a price.... Guess what would happen if they talked to Steve...... ;-))) Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Need a program to grab screen Date: 17 Dec 1996 05:29:39 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <595b43$89o@news.bctel.net> References: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> <590l6t$lt7@nntp1.best.com> mycroft@nntp.best.com (Alex Currier) wrote: >: NS 3.3 comes with a grab.app but I need to be able to save the results as >: a .jpg and/or .gif for publishing on the web. > >Grab.app is probably the best screen capture utility you're going to get >for NS. Perhaps you should consider looking for a program which can >convert the tiff files made by Grab.app into something that can be used on >the web. I imagine you'd want some control over image dimensions, palette >and file size which no screen capture utility is going to offer you. > >And if you find a good shareware image manipulation program, let me know! >I need to be able to do some image processing on my NeXT at home and >something like this would be useful for me too. > > > >-- >alex currier | Reactiveware - Clothing for the 22nd Century >mycroft@best.com | www.reactiveware.com For image conversion use Toy View, it saves tiff to gif, jpg, bmp, etc.and is shareware, it also enhances images. For altering dimensions use Zoom. There are many useful programs like these on most NEXTSTEP FTP sites....WebWriter is a must for the html.
From: Robert F Tobler <rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTTeX Date: 17 Dec 1996 12:40:45 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <5964cd$so@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <961216040200.198AAFgI.wayne@pareto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit joerd@mail.wsu.edu wrote: > I am transferring my Nextstep 3.3 to a newer computer and have developed a > problem with TeX. I have put > > TeX k latex2e -V $file > > in .commanddict. > You can set a custom tex applications in the preferences of TeXview.app. If you set that to "latex2e", and use the following dwrite: dwrite Edit NXCommandKeys "LaTeX,œ,ReTeX,¨,TeX (custom),´" (the special characters are Alt-l, Alt-e, and Alt-u) you have the following key-shortcuts available when you run Edit.app: Cmd-Alt-l ("*l*atex") Cmd-Alt-e ("latex 2 *e*") Cmd-Alt-u ("*u*pdate") (This works by way of the Services menu emtries exported by TeXview.app). If you want the same command keys to be availabe within TeXview, you can do the following: dwrite TeXview NXCommandKeys "TeX (%L -v %s),¨,Custom (%C -v %s),´,LaTeX (latex -v %s),œ" (the special characters are Alt-u, Alt-e, Alt-l) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert F. Tobler - tel:+43(1)58801-4585,fax:5874932 Institute of Computer Graphics - mailto:rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Vienna University of Technology - http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~rft/
From: anch@logiball.de (Andreas Christiani) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: PopOver Date: 17 Dec 1996 13:29:11 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Message-ID: <596777$3kn@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> References: <Pine.NXT.3.92.961211182137.1645A-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> "Robert G. Jacobs" <rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> wrote: >I have an Intel machine running NS3.3 and a black box running NS3.0. >I am trying to setup PopOver to run on the Intel machine to grab mail >off the my old NeXTStation. > >Two questions: > >Do I choose POP2 or POP3 or IMAP2 for a NeXTStation running 3.0? > >I currently get a 'Connection refused' error from the NeXTStation when my >Intel box tries to popover and get mail. Where is this permission given? >I do have an .rhosts file setup on the NeXTStation so I think that's >okay. > >Any other ideas are also appreciated. > >Robert > Did you edit the /etc/inetd.conf and the services-section in NetInfo ? You have to tell the inetd to start the appropriate programs when a request is received on a port. Or you have to cut the service explicitly out and start it in standalone mode. Ciao, A.C. --- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LogiBall gGmbH * Innovationszentrum Herne * Westring 303 * 44629 Herne Andreas Christiani * christiani@logiball.de * http://www.logiball.de Tel.: 02323 / 925 577 * Fax : 02323 / 925 551 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612161819.AA06248@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 19:19:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Why Apple did (not) pick the BeOS instead of OPENSTEP willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) wrote: > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so perhaps > it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. > > William > > > William Adams > > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. NEXTSTEP 3.3 and OPENSTEP 4.0 is already ported to the PowerPC, though not officialy, because some hardline NeXTengineers do port the actual NeXT-OS to the prototype NeXTbricks (2 x PPC 50Mhz - their home machines) in their spare times. Somebody will have Apple to know........ BTW: The last thing I have heard is that the BeOS deal is through... Because Apple and Gassee could agree on a price.... Guess what would happen if they talked to Steve...... ;-))) Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: r.daher@csuohio.edu (Rony Daher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Setting up Quotas Date: 17 Dec 1996 15:24:44 GMT Organization: Cleveland State University Message-ID: <r.daher-1712961032400001@venus.csuohio.edu> Greetings all, I'd like to setup a quotad filesystem under NEXTSTEP 3.3 (m68k). I'm looking for any specific documentation on how to do this. Looked for quota, quotas and several other file commands in the man pages without luck. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Rony Daher Network Support Technician Cleveland State University PS: Please respond via email. Thanks!
From: "John W. Eason" <ADVDT@postoffice.world.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Need a program to grab screen Date: 17 Dec 1996 18:37:56 GMT Organization: A.D.T., Inc. Message-ID: <596pa4$eqh@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: beva@evans.az.stratus.com Try Hijaak Graphic Suites. Available f/3.10 & win 95. Works very well You can capture screens, parts of screens, text, edit-change, etc. You should be able to search and find reference to. I don't have company information with me. If you can't find leave me e-mail at: advdt@worldnet.att.net - and I will get information. John Eason
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:11:09 -0600 From: ozgur.huner@utoronto.ca Subject: WP, Mathematica for NS 3.3 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <850848176.5848@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: ozgur.huner@utoronto.ca Hi, I'm wondering if anyone out there has tried running Wordperfect for Next (1991) and Mathematica 2.0 on a Nextstation Turbo under NS 3.3? Do they work? Any help would be much appreciated. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTstation as Router? Date: 17 Dec 1996 18:43:23 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Message-ID: <joel-1712961040560001@mfs-annex1-p31.dsphere.net> Here's the scoop: I'm doing some CGI development and web page testing. I decided to make things easy by bringing in my NeXTstation and installing Apache and perl and using it for testing. So far so good. I need to see the sites in color, so I have to use my mac as the browser. No problem, except that my mac is not directly connected to the internet, and I cannot do simultaneous tcp/ip connections with this thing. The NeXT can handle being connected both to the internet via PPP and to my mac via ethernet; however, none of my external links work, as I'm not connected to the internet with the mac. SO, all of this to say this: Is it possible to use the Nextstation (3.2) to serve as a router between my internal ethernet network and the internet via ppp? If so, how? I don't have DNS or NFS set up on the NeXT. Thanks in advance. Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: filip@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be (Filip Lingier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 21:30:23 GMT Organization: Filtronix Distribution: world Message-ID: <594f1f$120@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> WillAdams writes > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so > perhaps it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. And let's be honest, BeOS is a lot faster than Openstep/MachOS would be on the same machine. Filip -- ---------------------------- FILTRONIX ----------------------------- |-- --- \ / Software Development - OpenStep|Windows-NT/95 |- | X Web Design & Development - HTML|CGI|JAVA|WebObjects | | / \ ---> info@filtronix.eunet.be
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 18 Dec 1996 04:39:57 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <594f1f$120@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be> In-Reply-To: <594f1f$120@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be> On 12/16/96, Filip Lingier wrote: >WillAdams writes > > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so > > perhaps it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. > >And let's be honest, BeOS is a lot faster than Openstep/MachOS would be on >the same machine. > Yeah, but OpenStep seems alot more stable than BeOS, and we even have more applications.. :-) Of all the things Apple MIGHT do or COULD do, I hope that they do not choose the Be route. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612180205.SAA24383@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199612180005.BAA00254@hzoli.ppp.cs.elte.hu> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 21:04:42 -0500 Subject: Re: zsh-3.0.2 released Cc: zsh-users@math.gatech.edu References: <199612180005.BAA00254@hzoli.ppp.cs.elte.hu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Zoltan Hidvegi <hzoli@cs.elte.hu> Original Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 01:05:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <199612180005.BAA00254@hzoli.ppp.cs.elte.hu> > Zsh version 3.0.2 has been released! It is still too slow to be usable on my NeXTStation, specifically the redrawing of the prompts. I'm at a loss as to what to do. I'd really like to use 3.0.2, I'm still on 2.6. Is anyone else using 3.0.2 on a non-turbo NeXTstation? Are you experiencing any troubles such as the ones I mentioned? I'm also seeing weird things when I use the up arrow to go through history. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat *** I will be out of town from Dec 19th - Dec 31st ***
From: hroumeau@lune.univ-lr.fr (Harold Roumeau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Latest Version of LateX for NextStep 3.3 INTEL Date: 18 Dec 1996 16:03:04 GMT Organization: Universite de La Rochelle Message-ID: <5994jo$slf@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> Keywords: LateX Hello, I am looking for LateX V3.1415 avalaible on NextStep in order to have Latex2e. I already own the previous version. Where can I find it (tex v3.1415)? Many thanks for your futur responses.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612180657.WAA08819@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 01:57:03 -0500 Subject: Searching, PEAK submissions and my Christmas vacation Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Season's greetings folks! Well, the semester is over at long last. I am leaving after my classes today for two blissful weeks away from campus. Sadly, I will also be leaving the 'net behind as well. I can't remember the last time I went 2 weeks without reading my email. (procmail don't fail me now!) Consequently, any submissions which come in to PEAK will have to await my return before being properly filed, and any email you send to me will have to wait for my return as well (please be patient! I expect to have at least 1000 messages awaiting my return (procmail don't fail me now!) Anyway, I've been testing a 'search via email' service for the PEAK archive. I hope it will make finding things on the site easier. TO SEARCH PEAK VIA EMAIL: 1) your requests must be in the SUBJECT line. 2) the BODY of the message will be entirely ignored 3) searches are NOT case sensitive 4) regex patterns are NOT supported To perhaps you are looking for "Fiend", and you'd like to know the exact URL for Fiend. Send an email to: luomat@peak.org With the SUBJECT: search-peak Fiend (or "search-peak fiend") [ NOTE: the _body_ of the message will be ignored ] You will receive, automatically, a reply with the URLs to our site: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/latest_versions/Fiend.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/Fiend.1.4.1.NIHS.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/Fiend.1.4.1.README Please feel free to use the service, test it out and see how you like it. I've had it working fairly well so far, with no reported problems. TIPS and PLEADS: 1) _PLEASE_ don't search for "next" or "/" or "README" or anything else which will result in tons of matches. Normal searches will require very little processing, unnoticable really, but larger searches such as those could really do damage. All requests are logged. 2) You can only search for ONE word per email. 3) the Index file is updated nightly at approx 7am EST Hope you all have a great Christmas, safe travel, and enjoyable time spent with family, friends, or however, TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat *** I will be out of town from Dec 19th - Dec 31st ***
Date: 18 Dec 1996 08:21:18 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <cancel.32d3898f.559349@news.ni.net> Control: cancel <32d3898f.559349@news.ni.net> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: BatMan Subject: cmsg cancel <32d3898f.559349@news.ni.net> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19961218.11 for further details
From: zbir@seven.ucs.indiana.edu (Zachery "Tigger" Bir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Latest Version of LateX for NextStep 3.3 INTEL Date: 18 Dec 1996 11:30:50 -0500 Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <mbtraknx1ad.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <5994jo$slf@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> hroumeau@lune.univ-lr.fr (Harold Roumeau) writes: > > Hello, > > I am looking for LateX V3.1415 avalaible on NextStep in order to have > Latex2e. I already own the previous version. Where can I find it (tex > v3.1415)? OFF TOPIC: Maybe they should call it LateX v.pi ? :) Don't know where it would be though. > > Many thanks for your futur responses. -- Zachery J. Bir - zbir@indiana.edu http://seven.ucs.indiana.edu/~zbir/index.html
From: zbir@seven.ucs.indiana.edu (Zachery "Tigger" Bir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Various software questions. Date: 18 Dec 1996 11:32:46 -0500 Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <mbtpw07x175.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> Does anyone know of a version of Xemacs for NS 3.3? Later versions of Perl5 or gcc? The latest on peak are Perl5.002 and gcc 2.6.0, looking for Perl5.003 and gcc 2.7.2, which I think are the latest versions. Zac -- Zachery J. Bir - zbir@indiana.edu http://seven.ucs.indiana.edu/~zbir/index.html
From: walton@emc.com (John Walton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: *.pdf viewer, like Acrobat Acroread Date: 18 Dec 1996 10:12:47 -0500 Organization: EMC Corporation Message-ID: <1996Dec18.101021@emc.com> Is there an binary application for black hardware like Acrobat acroread for .pdf files? Thanks John
From: jehu@jehu.async.vt.edu (john stanhope) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: WebUp Alpha available on peak (Was: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html) Date: 18 Dec 1996 15:26:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: world Message-ID: <5992fv$md3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Since there were a number of people interested in trying out WebUp I have placed a Quad-fat binary on peak with a brief readme. A more in depth discussion (although not that more deep) can be found at http://armyant.ee.vt.edu/jehuWWW/WebUp/WebUp.html. In fact, don't even bother to start WebUp until you have looked over the preceeding page, since I don't think you will be able to figure out how to get started editing without a few pointers. But before you get too excited, you should know that it doesn't parse in html documents (this could be done if there is interest) but stores it in its own format. When you want a web page you have to save the html file seperately. I also haven't worked on support for forms but it does support tables to some extent. Also, this editor attempts to perserve the structure of the document as a tree of blocks of text and not as a linear piece of text so it doesn't work like most other editors. It's quircky. Your mileage may vary. -- John Stanhope jehu@vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Paper Sizes hardcoded - where? Message-ID: <E2M9LI.ALs@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:56:06 GMT Hi, sorry for the crossposting but this has bothered me again and again. Besides Next knows about it and seems to have known for some releases but has failed to porvide a bugfix. During my efforts to create PS output in the size of A0 or larger I stumbled across a dumb hardcoded limit (in the previewer (only?)). It cannot display documents somewhat larger than A3 but for such docs displays only the lower left (or right?) fraction. Since I will not use some of the doc sizes supported (all US sizes for me) I'd like to change their definition to represent the desired A0 and A00 sizes I need. Now I wonder where this is hardcoded? Initially I suspected the postscript package - either it is not there or I was not able to find it. So maybe it is somewhere in one of those shlibs? Since I do not even know in what unit (cm or Point or ?) the various sizes are stored internally it is most difficult to search for a representation of implicit doc sizes. Another thing that comes to mind: Using cm as unit, the print layout panel displays some round-off errors, second - the print layout panel 'knows' supported sizes. So it is either stored in the corresponding shlib or the code loads it dynamically? Any insights most welcome. Having DPS as a native windowing system _and_ a hardcoded limitation in formatsize has been annoying, to say the least. Thanks, Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: *.pdf viewer, like Acrobat Acroread Date: 18 Dec 1996 17:18:45 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <59991l$ltt@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <1996Dec18.101021@emc.com> walton@emc.com (John Walton) wrote: > >Is there an binary application for black hardware >like Acrobat acroread for .pdf files? > >Thanks >John Try OmniPDF from Omnigroup (www.omnigroup.com). --Ryan
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: *.pdf viewer, like Acrobat Acroread Date: 18 Dec 1996 17:43:20 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <599afo$akp@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <1996Dec18.101021@emc.com> In-Reply-To: <1996Dec18.101021@emc.com> On 12/18/96, John Walton wrote: > > Is there an binary application for black hardware > like Acrobat acroread for .pdf files? > You can get OmniPDF from: http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/OmniPDF/ Thanks Omni! Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WP, Mathematica for NS 3.3 Date: 18 Dec 1996 17:22:23 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <59998f$ltt@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <850848176.5848@dejanews.com> ozgur.huner@utoronto.ca wrote: >Hi, I'm wondering if anyone out there has tried running Wordperfect for >Next (1991) and Mathematica 2.0 on a Nextstation Turbo under NS 3.3? Do >they work? Any help would be much appreciated. >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Yes. They work just fine. --Ryan
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Various software questions. Date: 18 Dec 1996 17:46:54 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <599ame$akq@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <mbtpw07x175.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <mbtpw07x175.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> On 12/18/96, Zachery "Tigger" Bir wrote: > > Does anyone know of a version of Xemacs for NS 3.3? > > Later versions of Perl5 or gcc? The latest on peak are Perl5.002 and > gcc 2.6.0, looking for Perl5.003 and gcc 2.7.2, which I think are the > latest versions. > Perl5.003 is available from TipTop: ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/ It makes a number of assumptions about where it will be installed, however if you can live with these (and I decided I could for the sake of an easy life) you get an easy life! Thanks TipTop, Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Need a program to grab screen Date: 18 Dec 1996 05:02:48 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <597tto$960@sidney.cps.msu.edu> References: <58tf0r$pt6@transfer.stratus.com> <596pa4$eqh@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Cc: ADVDT@postoffice.world.att.net In <596pa4$eqh@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> "John W. Eason" wrote: > Try Hijaak Graphic Suites. Available f/3.10 & win 95. Works very well > You can capture screens, parts of screens, text, edit-change, etc. > > You should be able to search and find reference to. I don't have company > information with me. If you can't find leave me e-mail at: > advdt@worldnet.att.net - and I will get information. > There is a demo of snagit at: http://www.techsmith.com It allows you to capture screens that are larger than the window (for instance a large netscape screen). Its Win and Win95. Don't know why its posted here but I hope this helps. - Steve --- ============================================================== Stephen J. Perkins | NetMass Communications | mailto:perkins@netmass.com NeXT OS3.3 with PPP-2.3 | NeXT PPP-2.3 info at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
From: stephen@ccc1.tamu.edu (Stephen Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: serial driver for Deskjet? Date: 18 Dec 1996 23:07:26 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Message-ID: <599tfe$jmn@news.tamu.edu> Is there a serial driver to print to a Deskjet 500 from black hardware? Stephen Johnson, consultant TAMU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612181738.JAA27079@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: ca3a937e9efa6b631a441d30213d85fd - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 12:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Setting up Quotas Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: ca3a937e9efa6b631a441d30213d85fd - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: r.daher@csuohio.edu (Rony Daher) Original Date: 17 Dec 1996 15:24:44 GMT Message-ID: ca3a937e9efa6b631a441d30213d85fd - > I'd like to setup a quotad filesystem under NEXTSTEP 3.3 (m68k). > I'm looking for any specific documentation on how to do this. > Looked for quota, quotas and several other file commands in the man > pages without luck. Send an email to me (luomat@peak.org) with the SUBJECT search-peak quotas and you will receive the paths back: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/Quotas.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/Quotas.README ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/disk/Quotas.NIHS.bs.tar.gzftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/disk/Quotas.README Note: "search-peak someword" will search the index for "someword" but the command must be in the SUBJECT of the message, not the body. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat *** I will be out of town from Dec 19th - Dec 31st ***
From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Various software questions. Date: 19 Dec 1996 07:02:20 GMT Organization: Disorganized Bits Message-ID: <59ap9s$si6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <mbtpw07x175.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> <599ame$akq@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford (m.crawford@shef.ac.uk) wrote: : Perl5.003 is available from TipTop: : : ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/ : : It makes a number of assumptions about where it will be installed, however if : you can live with these (and I decided I could for the sake of an easy life) : you get an easy life! What is so hard in typing first './Configure' and later 'make'? It takes some time to gring through compilation, true, but there is too many "small thingies" in Perl for me to risk an installation of a precompiled version. 5.004 should show up RSN. Tom Christiansen already posted a long manual page detailing differences. One of highlights is that many things will actualy work as they are documented to work. :-) Michal
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Latest Version of LateX for NextStep 3.3 INTEL Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:51:52 +0100 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <32B94877.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5994jo$slf@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold Roumeau wrote: > > Hello, > > I am looking for LateX V3.1415 avalaible on NextStep in order to have > Latex2e. I already own the previous version. Where can I find it (tex > v3.1415)? > > Many thanks for your futur responses. I recommend teTex: hve a look at http://www.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de/~flight/stepTeX/ -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Various software questions. Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:41:12 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <59bnmo$n8f@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <mbtpw07x175.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> <599ame$akq@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <59ap9s$si6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> In-Reply-To: <59ap9s$si6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> On 12/19/96, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > What is so hard in typing first './Configure' and later 'make'? > It takes some time to gring through compilation, true, but there is > too many "small thingies" in Perl for me to risk an installation > of a precompiled version. > A couple of things may make this diffficult: (a) if you don't have NeXT Developer, and (b) if you get configuration errors and don't want to waste time tracking them down. When I first got hold of the 5.002 source I wrestled with it for a while before deciding I could make do with the precompiled version; for 5.003 I thought I might as well just use the Tiptop package. It saves time, it works well, there are no headaches; what's the problem? > 5.004 should show up RSN. Tom Christiansen already posted a long > manual page detailing differences. One of highlights is that many > things will actualy work as they are documented to work. :-) > Good-oh; I look forward to it. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Latest Version of LateX for NextStep 3.3 INTEL Date: 19 Dec 1996 16:22:48 GMT Organization: Universite Laval Message-ID: <59bq4o$mup$1@athena.ulaval.ca> References: <5994jo$slf@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> <mbtraknx1ad.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> zbir@seven.ucs.indiana.edu (Zachery "Tigger" Bir) wrote: % OFF TOPIC: Maybe they should call it LateX v.pi ? :) % D. Knuth is rather clever with that, the next version will be 3.14159, etc... (the version is for tex, latex is now in version 2e). As for tex, I am using the very nice tetex distribution (i removed nexttex.pkg) that has all the binaries : >> This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (C version 6.1) >> Hyphenation patterns for english, francais, francais, loaded. CTAN may have the binaries as well. ------------------------------------------------------- Antoine Gautier (antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca) ------------------------------------------------------- Professeur, De'partement OSD Faculte' des Sciences de l'Administration Universite' Laval http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/gautiera/
From: Tal Lancaster <tlan@fa.disney.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: anim to QuickTime? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:13:42 -0800 Organization: The Walt Disney Company Message-ID: <32B9E846.41C6@fa.disney.com> References: <1996Nov27.190010.89821@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard R. Cole wrote: > > Are there any applications or code fragments which > would allow me to convert a sequence of tiff files (like > an anim movie) and convert it into QuickTime format? > I use: ftp://ftp.media.mit.edu/pub/WavesWorld/anim2mov.gz If you want to find out more about WavesWorld (has a great interface to 3DKit and RenderMan and the source is included), look at: http://www.media.mit.edu/people/wave/ -- "If somebody was to say my rabbit, wasn't my rabbit, I'd tweek his little, tomato nose." -- B. Bunny Tal Lancaster Technical Director, Disney Feature Animation email: tlan@fa.disney.com WEB: The RenderMan Repository (http://pete.cs.caltech.edu/RMR/)
From: Leo Russ <leoruss@mcs.net> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, Subject: Acrobat Question? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:07:24 -0800 Organization: LRA Message-ID: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentlemen, I am considering purchase of Adobe Acrobat specifically for Web design. I have a few questions: 1. Can I import graphics into pdf documents? What fromats? How about vector DXF or AI? EPS? JPG? TIF/TGA? 2. How do I publish page on the Net? Would it convert them into HTML format? 3. Can I create tables/frames? 4. What are it's limitations as far as web authoring is concerned? 5. Can I create complete page/site in Illustrator/CorelDraw/Photoshop and import it into Acrobat? 6. What else will I need to create full-blown sites with text/graphics/links/tables/frames/forms/etc.? I.e. Distiller, filters, etc. It normally all starts with relatively cheap ($150 for Acrobat is cheap) package, and , as soon as you are hooked, they peel your skin - not to mention your pants - off. Thanks for help. PS Maybe somebody would recommend better solution - I'm sick & tired of writing HTML code manually. Netscape 3 is ok but it does have its limitations. Like no support for frames... Leo (leoruss@mcs.net)
From: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: SUBMISSION: New Versions of ... Date: 20 Dec 1996 04:54:31 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <59d667$c6l@news.vanderbilt.edu> In the last month I submitted Yftp 0.9626 SuperSolitaire II EditSound 2.3 NetpbmImageConverter (renamed from ImageConverter) All available in ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/ I hope they will somewhen get mirrored to peanuts. NetpbmImageConverter is also available as frontend. If you have already netpbm installed just link the bin directory into the app-wrapper and the filter service should work. EditSound comes with sox inside the app wrapper and will use it to convert wav and other soundfiles on the fly. It should also be possible to convert to wav with it. See also on my hompage for Version & System information. I don't have time to write 4 announces for the announce group, so there is just this informal notice. Have fun and mery Christmas, Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: joerd@mail.wsu.edu Subject: file path for Edit Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: <961218032554.198AAFgQ.wayne@pareto> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:25:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Organization: Washington State University Hi: I'm having trouble with a .commanddict for Edit.app. I can correct the problem if I can somehow tell Edit what directories to check for an application. It appears to use check the directories: . /usr/local/bin /usr/ucb /bin /usr/bin ~/Apps /LocalApps /NextApps Does anyone know how to add to this set of search paths, which differ from my shell search paths because that includes /NextDeveloper/Demos, for example. Thanks, Wayne Joerding Professor of Economics Ofc: 509-335-6468 Washington State University FAX: 509-335-4362 PO Box 644741 Pullman WA 99164 email: joerd@mail.wsu.edu "Stupidity always has the chance of being a capital offense."
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:19:54 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E2L7t7.19L@micmac.com> References: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> <59608e$qs5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Cc: m.crawford@shef.ac.uk In <59608e$qs5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: > On 12/14/96, jobs@globalobjects.com wrote: > > > There are two apps in beta; on I _think_ will be free, the > > other will be a commercial app. > Geez, I wasn't aware of either. Please, both of you, go for it -- these > would be *very* useful. John, if you make yor current efforts available I > *promise* I'll look at them and give feedback. Idem for me... > > I should note, however, that OpenWrite does also have support for WYSIWYG > HTML editing, which seems to have improved somewhat with the new release > (2.1.8) -- thanks Lighthouse. Could you tell us in which area it has been enhanced? (HTML 3?) -- mc
From: quite@dial.pipex.com (Aandi Inston) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:39:36 GMT Organization: UUNet PIPEX, Cambridge, England Message-ID: <59dqb5$ngk@weld.news.pipex.net> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> Leo Russ <leoruss@mcs.net> wrote: >Gentlemen, >I am considering purchase of Adobe Acrobat specifically for Web design. >I have a few questions: >1. Can I import graphics into pdf documents? What fromats? How about >vector DXF or AI? EPS? JPG? TIF/TGA? In general you don't. You prepare your file in another format and 'print' to PDF. There are some options in Acrobat 3 to import entire pages as graphics, but don't think of Acrobat as a design tool, or PDF as an editable format. >2. How do I publish page on the Net? Would it convert them into HTML >format? No. You can't easily do that. You put the .pdf file on the web and encourage the visitor to have (and use) a copy of Acrobat Reader. >3. Can I create tables/frames? Tables aren't an issue. If you can get the visual look in any document, it can be turned to PDF. Frames, no. These need to be done with HTML. The latest Netscape/MSIE + Acrobat 3.0 allow PDF files to be displayed in the browser window, and as a frame element. >4. What are it's limitations as far as web authoring is concerned? A complex subject. There are few limitations on the author. The limitations are on the reader. They must have Acrobat Reader or equivalent. It's easier to create a PDF file that can't be read on a small screen than an HTML page (though some sites manage it!) >5. Can I create complete page/site in Illustrator/CorelDraw/Photoshop >and import it into Acrobat? Not import into Acrobat, it has no import features. But essentially yes, then print to PDF. >6. What else will I need to create full-blown sites with >text/graphics/links/tables/frames/forms/etc.? I.e. Distiller, filters, >etc. It normally all starts with relatively cheap ($150 for Acrobat is >cheap) package, and , as soon as you are hooked, they peel your skin - >not to mention your pants - off. There is now only one Acrobat product - Acrobat 3.0, list price $295 per workstation. The exception is Capture, a limited version of which is in 3.0, but the full version is recommended for heavy duty OCR. Right now, nobody is creating PDF-only web sites. You could be among the first, but learn a lot more about it before making your decision...I think you probably won't. >Thanks for help. >PS Maybe somebody would recommend better solution - I'm sick & tired of >writing HTML code manually. Netscape 3 is ok but it does have its >limitations. Like no support for frames... >Leo (leoruss@mcs.net) If you just want to automate HTML creation, there are tools to strealine this process. They are starting to become usable I think. Adobe Pagemill supports frames I have heard. ---------------------------------------- Aandi Inston quite@dial.pipex.com December special: visit the wonderful Christmas Rat on http://ds.dial.pipex.com/quite/xmasrat/
From: edx@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Message-ID: <1996Dec19.075129.90823@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 96 07:51:29 MDT References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com> Organization: Utah State University In article <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > On 12/16/96, Filip Lingier wrote: >>WillAdams writes >> > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so >> > perhaps it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. >> >>And let's be honest, BeOS is a lot faster than Openstep/MachOS would be on >>the same machine. >> > > Yeah, but OpenStep seems alot more stable than BeOS, and we even > have more applications.. :-) > BeOS is still in its early infancy. When it is more mature it will be as stable as OpenStep. As for OpenStep having more applications, it won't take long for Be support to grow to critical mass. Remember what Gassee said when someone had the gall to compare Be with NeXT: "Please! We don't crap on developers". > Of all the things Apple MIGHT do or COULD do, I hope that they do > not choose the Be route. Apple could do much worse than go the Be route. - HRC -
From: rao@sysmod.egr.uh.edu (Dr. Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Anybody tried to compile Octave 2.0 for Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 20 Dec 1996 15:21:48 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <59eauc$1qo@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> Octave 2.0 has been released (find at http://bevo.che.wisc.edu/octave/) and I am writing to request one of you savvy Next developers to try and make a Nextstep/Openstep binary distribution. To compile, the README says that you will need g++ 2.7.2 or 2.7.2.1 libg++ 2.7.1 or 2.7.2 gnu make 3.75 Please let all of us know if a binary is available. Thank you very much. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Latest Version of LateX for NextStep 3.3 INTEL Date: 20 Dec 1996 13:59:48 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <59e64k$jvi@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <5994jo$slf@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> <mbtraknx1ad.fsf@seven.ucs.indiana.edu> <59bq4o$mup$1@athena.ulaval.ca> Antoine Gautier (antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca) wrote: : zbir@seven.ucs.indiana.edu (Zachery "Tigger" Bir) wrote: : % OFF TOPIC: Maybe they should call it LateX v.pi ? :) : % : D. Knuth is rather clever with that, the next version will be : 3.14159, etc... (the version is for tex, latex is now in version 2e). TeX's Metafont friend is currently at version 2.718. Guess what ? ;-) Knuth is an mathematican... To round this up: Knuth has proposed that with his death the TeX and Metafont development will be freezed and the version numbers will be fixed to pi and e resp. Furthermore, all remaining bugs will be called features. Any continued development will have to choose a new name. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: wonko@madness.tmok.com (Wonko the Sane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=80MacUser?= is looking for some advice Date: 20 Dec 96 15:34:26 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (401) 885-4243 Message-ID: <slrn5blcmc.apo.wonko@madness.tmok.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> On Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:20:45 -0700, Lance Scott <lance@psnw.com> wrote: >Hey everyone, I would like to get your advice on something. that's what we're for. :) >I have been using Macs for almost 10 years now, and I think it's time to >move to a higher level. Macs are nice, but they have their limit. >I plan on purchasing a new machine to do "intensive" Video, Audio, and Graphics. > >In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon Graphics, >or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) ok, with "intensive video, audio & graphics" in mind here is my opinion. first choice: SGI Indigo2 (or maybe an Impact, but he Indy2's have a better upgrade path to really impressive suff) pros: best machine for what you want. cons: prohibatively expensive (you can easily spend $10,000-$30,000 for a kick ass refurb) second choice: SUNs pros: much cheaper than SGI machines, still excellent hardware cons: not so great for killer video/graphics and to get some serious video/graphics performace will cost you a bundle. third choice: Macs (9500 series would be best) pros: relatively cheap, excellent sound cons: iffy video (stuck in the realm of PCI video choices, not the best, but not terrible) fourth choice: NeXT, pros: excellent machines (grown up Macs a friend of mine calle dthem) cons: nothing faster then a m68040 CPU, no longer built, no longer supported, no software supported for them anymore, not too terribly incredable graphics, the list goes on, better for page layout (if you can find software for them anyway) fifth choice: Pentium Pro running UNIX (i'd go with Solaris x86 for this) pros: relatively cheap machines. cons: stuck with the iffy PCI video, and some pretty braindead architecture designs. wait, swap PPro and NeXT, as good as NeXT slabs are, they have to go on the bottom of the list because they aren't made anymore and therefor out of date as far as CPUs go. >I don't know anything about these machines, and thought it might be a good >idea to hear what you people think. these are my opinions. about as unbiased as you can get i think. i am a little biased towards SGI machines, but that's because they are just that amazing. if you descide to go the SGI route, let me know, i have a contact for you. sells refurbed units for an excellent price and has a great warrenty as well as being really swell guys. >Any advice will be greatly appreciated. here's mine, let's see what everyone else says. >Thanks, you are welcome. -wonko
From: lance@psnw.com (Lance Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: €MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:20:45 -0700 Organization: Surf Punks Message-ID: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey everyone, I would like to get your advice on something. I have been using Macs for almost 10 years now, and I think it's time to move to a higher level. I plan on purchasing a new machine to do "intensive" Video, Audio, and Graphics. In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon Graphics, or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) I don't know anything about these machines, and thought it might be a good idea to hear what you people think. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lance
From: eagle@ksu.ksu.edu (J. Patrick McDonald) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: 20 Dec 1996 10:10:56 -0600 Organization: Kansas State University Message-ID: <59edqg$a5q@cbs.ksu.ksu.edu> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> Leo Russ <leoruss@mcs.net> writes: >Gentlemen, >I am considering purchase of Adobe Acrobat specifically for Web design. >I have a few questions: >1. Can I import graphics into pdf documents? What fromats? How about >vector DXF or AI? EPS? JPG? TIF/TGA? Acrobat uses two software packages to create PDF (Acrobat) files. Acrobat writer, which works well for text with most word processors, and Acrobat Distiller which works better for more graphical documents. Distiller requires a postscript file to work with, thus you can use just about any DTP software to create an Acrobat file. >2. How do I publish page on the Net? Would it convert them into HTML >format? No you can't convert them into HTML--at least not easily. What you have to do, is work from the original source to get the HTML. Thus if you are using a Word processor you create the PDF from the Word processor document, and you create the HTML from the Word Processor document. Publishing a PDF page on the net is a different story. You have several options. Put the PDF file on the server (making sure the server recognizes the PDF content/type) and just link to it, or do the same with an ftp server. This will require that your viewer have one of the Acrobat readers configured as a helper app, or as a plug-in. (I believe the plug-in version is still in beta). >3. Can I create tables/frames? You can create anything in a PDF document you can create in a DTP program. Your output will look exactly like it does on paper, and should the end user decide to print the publication, they will get as close to what you intended as their printer will allow. (Some say PDF should have been DFP--Destined for Print). If your end users will likely print out your final product PDF is a very good way to go. >4. What are it's limitations as far as web authoring is concerned? PDF will limit your audience significantly. Many folk will simply not download and install the reader simply to view your content. PDF files are also much larger than HTML so transfer times are slow. It is difficult to browse through PDF files on-line, though it is much easier to download them and browse through them off-line. >5. Can I create complete page/site in Illustrator/CorelDraw/Photoshop >and import it into Acrobat? Yes and No. If you can get a postscript file you can create a PDF. I don't use illustration type software, but I do know you can use those graphics in a DTP package and get PDF. >6. What else will I need to create full-blown sites with >text/graphics/links/tables/frames/forms/etc.? I.e. Distiller, filters, >etc. It normally all starts with relatively cheap ($150 for Acrobat is >cheap) package, and , as soon as you are hooked, they peel your skin - >not to mention your pants - off. >Thanks for help. If you're doing anything graphical, and it sounds like you are, you'll want Distiller. You'll also want a DTP package. I use Quark XPress w/ Acrobat Pro, but If I had it to do over again, I think I'd go with Pagemaker since they are both from Adobe and appear to work together better. If you'd like take a look at the sites I've worked on using a combination of PDF and HTML. I still would like to improve the HTML, but it will give you an idea of what's possible. http://www.interink.com/escape.html (A science fiction magazine) http://www.engg.ksu.edu/HSRC/ (An environmental research center. -- J. Patrick McDonald |HOBBES: (reading book report): "The Dynamics of Extension Assistant |Interbeing and Monological Imperatives in DICK & JANE Kansas State University |A Study in Psychic Transrelational Gender Modes." eagle@ksu.edu |CALVIN: "Academia here I come!" <Bill Watterson>
From: Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:40:58 +0000 Organization: University of Dundee Message-ID: <32BAB38A.5D41@dundee.ac.uk> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: rjb@roe.ac.uk Lance Scott wrote: > > I have been using Macs for almost 10 years now, and I think it's time to > move to a higher level. > > I plan on purchasing a new machine to do "intensive" Video, Audio, and Graphics. > > In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon Graphics, > or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) Mac's still an excellent choice for multimedia, as far as I can see. Otherwise, the new SGI O2 line is probably well worth a look: it integrates video very well at a good price point, and probably represents more bangs per buck than most of the competition in this area, plus it covers a wide range of price points and upgradability. I don't really have an SGI axe to grind here: generally I'm a Sun user. NeXT is probably now too much of a niche, and not a video and graphics niche either, to be on the short list here. For a Sun you'd be looking at an Ultra Creator for this sort of stuff. They look great, but quite a bit more to pay than an O2. But first I'd address the question "What isn't my Mac doing?", and if it's just a question of hardware power get whatever the latest PowerPC version is and it may well resolve things. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Dundee University & Teaching Hospitals Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 3637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/MedPhys/
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Anybody tried to compile Octave 2.0 for Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 20 Dec 1996 15:57:42 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <59ed1m$vs@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <59eauc$1qo@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> In article <59eauc$1qo@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> rao@sysmod.egr.uh.edu (Dr. Jagannatha Rao) writes: > Octave 2.0 has been released (find at http://bevo.che.wisc.edu/octave/) > and I am writing to request one of you savvy Next developers to try and > make a Nextstep/Openstep binary distribution. > > To compile, the README says that you will need > g++ 2.7.2 or 2.7.2.1 > libg++ 2.7.1 or 2.7.2 > gnu make 3.75 Am I working on it, and will make it available soon. I'll upload the octave binary to both the octave ftp sites, and next ftp's, and post a notice here. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:12:14 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Enhancing the NeXT Color Printer? How? TIFFany? eXTRAPRINT? Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:16:43 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison Distribution: world Message-ID: <59ehlr$lpu@news.doit.wisc.edu> I'm trying to do a Christmas card and print to a NeXT Color Printer. The normal output using the standard postscript halftoning/dithering is not satisfactory (it's very grainy and the color is off). I donwloaded the eXTRAPRINT driver to try that and it worked wonders. However, I can only use it in Demo mode, and I can't reach GS Corp so I have no idea what it costs or whether it's available. I recall some type of announcement for a commercial product that included FREE support for the NeXT color printer. Does anyone recall what that is? Basically I'm looking for any way I can improve the output of this printer like eXTRAPRINT does, and if there's a freeware/shareware way of doing it that's preferred. I tried to figure out how to do it with TIFFany's halftoning, but didn't get very far (it was late at night. . . ). Advice appreciated. Thanks -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 20 Dec 96 11:47:56 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Dec20114756@howard.one.net> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com> <1996Dec19.075129.90823@cc.usu.edu> In-reply-to: edx@cc.usu.edu's message of 19 Dec 96 07:51:29 MDT In article <1996Dec19.075129.90823@cc.usu.edu> edx@cc.usu.edu writes: In article <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com>,, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Yeah, but OpenStep seems alot more stable than BeOS, and we even > have more applications.. :-) BeOS is still in its early infancy. When it is more mature it will be as stable as OpenStep. As for OpenStep having more applications, it won't take long for Be support to grow to critical mass. Remember what Gassee said when someone had the gall to compare Be with NeXT: "Please! We don't crap on developers". Non sequiter. NeXT the company has been pretty harsh on individual developers. But NeXTSTEP the operating system is a _dream_ to develop on. So much so that there are many developers, including myself, who developed on it in spite of NeXT the company's lack of gratitude. Apple could certainly take NeXTSTEP/OpenStep off of NeXT's hands without bringing along the corporate culture. In fact, if Apple did snarf NeXTSTEP/OpenStep, and then treated developers like the gods they are (heh heh heh), it would be a pretty good deal all around. As far as operating system stability - NeXTSTEP3.3 is stable _now_, you don't have to wait for it to mature. I don't think Apple would be thinking about purchasing an outside operating system at all if they thought they had three or four more years! OpenStep/Mach is somewhat less stable than NeXTSTEP, but since it's pretty much the same as NeXTSTEP below the GUI layer, it's still pretty reasonable. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 20 Dec 1996 18:58:48 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <59enl8$p5h@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BAB38A.5D41@dundee.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <32BAB38A.5D41@dundee.ac.uk> On 12/20/96, Peter Clinch wrote: > > I plan on purchasing a new machine to do "intensive" Video, Audio, and > > Graphics. > > > > In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon > > Graphics, or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) > [...] > I don't really have an SGI axe to grind here: generally I'm a Sun user. > NeXT is probably now too much of a niche, and not a video and graphics > niche either, to be on the short list here. > Hmm, I wonder... If you could pick up a NeXTdimension card (and there seem to be several around at "reasonable" prices), I get the feeling the NeXT would still -- 5 years on -- be a fair contender, especially if you use it in conjunction with something like TIFFany2 (which some say is better than PhotoShop). Nevertheless, Pete's suggestion to address the question "What isn't my Mac doing?" is a good one. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=80MacUser?= is looking for some advice Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:45:37 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Message-ID: <joel-2012960942560001@mfs-annex1-p31.dsphere.net> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <slrn5blcmc.apo.wonko@madness.tmok.com> >>Hey everyone, I would like to get your advice on something. Happily... >>I have been using Macs for almost 10 years now, and I think it's time to >>move to a higher level. I understand your frustration. I am still a mac user, but I also have a NeXTstation on my desk, a Sun in the other room, an NT box in the other room, and a pc card with windows 95 in my 8500... >>I plan on purchasing a new machine to do "intensive" Video, Audio, and Graphics. Sounds like you want a Bebox, except that none of the software to actually DO anything with this machine is done yet... >>In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon Graphics, >>or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) NeXT - I have one. It's fun to play with, but you won't be able to do "intensive video, audio and graphics" with this machine. It's too far removed from the mainstream, doesn't have much software or support. I still like mine a lot though... SGI - You can get there from here, but it will cost you dearly for a truly usable system. For a nicely configured system to do what you want, you are looking at easily over $20,000. Sun - Let's put it this way, I recently read a post from a guy who bought a mac to surf the web with, since he wanted 24-bit video and a fully blown midrange mac system with 24-bit video cost him _less_ than a 24-bit video card for his Sun. Ouch. Honestly, my Sun is cool, but I think if you are going to spend this kind of cash, stick with the SGI. Mac - Upgrading here lets you keep what you are used to, and you can make a considerable jump in speed these days. The downside is you'll wait a little while for a truly modern os. The bottom line is this: I have a lot of different machines at my disposal. I use each of them for different tasks, but the Mac gets by far the most use of any of them, and it's the one I choose as my main desktop machine. None of the other GUI's measure up to the speed and ease of use of the mac, but the mac os doesn't measure up to the OS features of the others, which the exception of w95... Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: SoundChaser <soundchaser@velodrome.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:01:52 -0800 Organization: hmmm Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BAD490.4B29@velodrome.com> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> <592ci8$meo@news.Hawaii.Edu> <5930ac$89o@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: > >: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >: > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean > cut > >: UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. > > > >: REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was > >: improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work > >: with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris > >: (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots > >: someone can point me to? > > I briefly used a Sun and the UI is nothing like that of NEXTSEP/OPENSTEP, > from what I recall it was more like Mac. > Uh, Solaris running OpenStep looks exactly like NEXTSTEP. You must been using one other than other windowing environments available: openwindows or CDE. I think there is a screen shot on www.sun.com/solaris/products/openstep
From: jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 20 Dec 1996 19:15:42 GMT Organization: Netsync Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. : : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html That article was promising and encouraging... If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to start taking it seriously again ;) -- __________________________________________________________ _____ __ __ _____ __ __ ___ ___ || ||_ | ||\ | |_ | | || | | | | | ||__||__| |__||__|__| | || \| |__|__|__||__| | | |__ |__||__||__| ========================================================== - - Homepage: http://www.netsync.net/users/jecobb - - - - - jecobb@acsu.buffalo.edu & jecobb@netsync.net - - - __________________________________________________________
From: DR <randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:37:39 -0700 Organization: RR Message-ID: <32BAEB03.21BA@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com> <1996Dec19.075129.90823@cc.usu.edu> <SHESS.96Dec20114756@howard.one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The title of this thread is history. http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 20 Dec 1996 19:43:34 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59eq97$s75@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> Cc: jecobb@netsync.net In <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> Justin Cobb wrote: > Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. > : > : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: > : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > > That article was promising and encouraging... > > If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to > start taking it seriously again ;) > > No doubt. If Apple is _buying_ nextstep, going to keep it alive and moving forward, market it reasonably and get/develop some good developer relationships going on nextstep, this could be one of the most amazingly wonderful Xmas presents I've ever recieved..... --no longer feeling quite as cygnical about Nextstep's future -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: michael@tenzo.com (Michael O'Henly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=80MacUser?= is looking for some advice Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:48:37 -0800 Organization: Tenzo Design Message-ID: <19961220124837279606@i2-61.islandnet.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <slrn5blcmc.apo.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <joel-2012960942560001@mfs-annex1-p31.dsphere.net> Joel Lingenfelter <joel@fefcful.org> wrote: > NeXT - I have one. It's fun to play with, but you won't be able to do > "intensive video, audio and graphics" with this machine. It's too far > removed from the mainstream, doesn't have much software or support. I > still like mine a lot though... [...] > Mac - Upgrading here lets you keep what you are used to, and you can make > a considerable jump in speed these days. The downside is you'll wait a > little while for a truly modern os. Maybe not that long. There's an article in today's LA Times saying that NeXTstep has been selected by Apple as the "new" MacOS. What goes around comes around... Michael O'Henly
From: hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu (Carl Hoefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Correction: Re: Why Apple did (not) pick the BeOS instead of OPENSTEP Date: 20 Dec 1996 21:57:02 GMT Message-ID: <59f23e$94p$1@rumors.ucr.edu> References: <9612170741.AA06423@huelf.hamburg.com> This morning's paper said Apple is about to announce re-hiring Steve Jobs (as a consultant?) to revitalize their OS development. Let's just hope they keep him miles away from the marketing division! Carl Hoefer UC Riverside
From: djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:10:41 -0500 Organization: Michigan Technological University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. : : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. Derek
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 20:36:01 -0500 From: r-o-b-s-t-e-r@t-o-t-a-l.n-e-t (Robert Costain) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Message-ID: <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> Organization: TotalNet Inc. In article <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net>, leoruss@mcs.net wrote: >I am considering purchase of Adobe Acrobat specifically for Web design. >I have a few questions: Acrobat is a tool for creating portable documents, which are sometimes posted on the web. To do Web design, you are probably looking at a WYSIWYG HTML editor, like Adobe PAGEMILL or Claris HomePage. Both programs support plugins, frames, a variety of graphics formats, and both are relatively easy to use. Rob -- Robert Costain, M.A. Student in Educational Technology, Concordia University. Principal, Robert Costain Enrg.
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] AWE32 card? Date: 20 Dec 1996 22:19:35 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-2012961415120001@mencjo.apple.com> How do I get my AWE32 Sound Card to work under NeXTSTEP 3.3? I wish to play some sounds, is there a way to do this. -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: rwilson@gate.net (Rob) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple Computer, Inc. Agrees to Acquire NeXT Software Inc. Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:58:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <32be6e5c.21013750@netnews2.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apple Computer, Inc. Agrees to Acquire NeXT Software Inc. December 20, 1996, 10:08 PM EST Acquisition Confirms New Open Apple; Steve Jobs Returns to Apple; Complementary Technology Offers New Opportunities for Apple in Enterprise, Internet, and Software Markets CUPERTINO, Calif., Dec. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Apple Computer, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) today announced its intention to purchase NeXT Software Inc., in a friendly acquisition for $400 million. Pending regulatory approvals, all NeXT products, services, and technology research will become part of Apple Computer, Inc. As part of the agreement, Steve Jobs, Chairman and CEO of NeXT Software, will return to Apple -- the company he co-founded in 1976 -- reporting to Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Apple's Chairman and CEO. The acquisition will bring together Apple's and NeXT's innovative and complementary technology portfolios and significantly strengthens Apple's position as a company advancing industry standards. Apple's leadership in ease-of-use and multimedia solutions will be married to NeXT's strengths in development software and operating environments for both the enterprise and Internet markets. NeXT's object oriented software development products will contribute to Apple's goal of creating a differentiated and profitable software business, with a wide range of products for enterprise, business, education, and home markets. Using NeXT technology to embrace open industry standards Apple Computer, Inc. believes the acquisition will allow the Company to further develop industry alliances as the Internet/intranet market evolves. Apple anticipates that NeXT expertise in next-generation operating system design will allow elements of the NEXTSTEP operating system to become integral features of Mac OS -- providing developers a compelling OS foundation on which to build next generation software solutions. "The acquisition of NeXT is the start of a new chapter in Apple's history and represents a milestone in our transformation as a corporation," said Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Chairman and CEO, Apple Computer Inc. "Today Apple welcomed back its most talented visionary -- Steve Jobs, someone who can inspire a new generation of customers and software developers and show that Apple remains the industry home for innovation and excitement. Today Apple returns, as an open player to the mainstream and the heart of this industry, where our technology can once more set standards for innovation and excellence." "Much of the industry has lived off the Macintosh for over ten years now, slowly copying the Mac's revolutionary user interface," said Steven P. Jobs. "Now the time has come for new innovation, and where better than Apple for this to spring from? Who else has consistently led this industry -- first with the Apple II, then the Macintosh and LaserWriter? With this merger, the advanced software from NeXT will be married with Apple's very high-volume hardware platforms and marketing channels to create another breakthrough, leapfrogging existing platforms, and fueling Apple and the industry copy cats for the next ten years and beyond. I still have very deep feelings for Apple, and it gives me great joy to play a role in architecting Apple's future." Acquisition Confirms New Open Apple The acquisition of NeXT is further evidence that Apple is fundamentally changing the way it does business. Embracing outside technology and driving cross-platform industry standards, Apple believes it can innovate in the key areas that give its products and technology differentiation. NeXT's cross-platform development environments for enterprise and Internet/intranet markets, allow developers to write once and deploy across a range of Internet and client-server platforms. In a new era of industry collaboration and joint initiatives -- brought on by the "megatrends" of pervasive Internet and ubiquitous multimedia -- NeXT technology complements Apple's strength in multimedia authoring and playback, as well as Internet access, Internet authoring, and Internet server solutions. In the last year Apple has worked on a series of collaboration initiatives which leverage the Company's core strengths in Internet, multimedia, and component software. Wide ranging agreements with Netscape Communications, Sun Microsystems, and Silicon Graphics Computer Systems -- along with the acquisition of NeXT -- confirm Apple is building strategic relationships at the forefront of the information industry. Developer Support Software developers believe that the integration of NEXTSTEP technology in future versions of Mac OS will result in a robust, next-generation OS that provides developers with a multimedia-rich and Internet-savvy platform. "This partnership is the best possible fit. Both companies support strong, open industry standards. Combined with their rich media focus and a command of the Internet, these strengths will play well into Adobe's core markets," says John Warnock, Chairman and CEO, Adobe Systems, Inc. "NeXT's advanced operating system design, when combined with Apple's leadership in ease-of-use and multimedia, will provide Adobe and other developers with a robust, compelling platform on which to build great next-generation software solutions." Apple expects to be able to show substantial developer and industry endorsements for Apple's new Mac OS system software strategy at MacWorld San Francisco in January 1997. Apple Computer, Inc. believes the acquisition will provide a series of benefits for customers, software developers, Apple Computer, NeXT, and the information technology industry. They include the following: Enterprise Offering Enhanced The combination of Apple technology, NeXT object oriented software development products, and the "megatrend" of corporate-wide intranets, gives Apple the opportunity to reinvigorate its offering to enterprise markets. NeXT's OPENSTEP Enterprise and WebObjects development environments allow enterprise customers to develop software solutions quickly and deploy reusable applications on either traditional client-server or Internet/intranet based networks. These powerful tools allow new applications to access legacy data and applications, a key concern for enterprise customers in the late 1990s. Customers currently using this technology range from companies such as WebCrawler, Trilobyte and ID to large organizations including Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, NASA, NTT, and AT&T Wireless. In addition, NeXT's Sales and Professional Services team offers worldwide programs to facilitate the knowledge transfer required to quickly take advantage of OPENSTEP Enterprise's unique capabilities. Apple envisages this team will become a valued part of the Apple enterprise offering moving forward. Internet/intranet Position Strengthened A key strategic advantage of NeXT technology is its powerful Internet/intranet software development environment -- WebObjects. Today, Apple technology and customers are playing a pivotal role in the evolution of the Internet -- from easy to use powerful solutions in Internet access, Internet authoring and Internet servers, to technologies such as QuickTime Media Layer (QTML) and HotSauce/MCF that set new standards in Internet multimedia and knowledge management. Combining these Apple strengths with WebObjects' unique capabilities to access legacy data and applications will provide Apple with a strong offering for companies reengineering their businesses to take advantage of the Internet. Customers currently using WebObjects technology include The Sharper Image, Ford, Nissan, Lufthansa, and Bell South. Again, Apple foresees NeXT's Sales and Professional Services team continuing to offer programs to companies who are implementing corporate-wide business reengineering based upon a new Internet/intranet infrastructure. In addition, the momentum of Java, Sun Microsystems' platform-independent programming language, has led Apple to conclude that by implementing a Java architecture across its platforms and development tools portfolio, Apple systems will be at the forefront of Internet/Internet design -- an area of enormous potential growth through the millennium. WebObjects' Java-enabled object oriented model complements Apple ComputerOs commitment to Java, which includes Mac OS Runtime for Java (currently in beta) and the integration of JavaBeans and OpenDoc component technology. Apple Computer, Inc. believes the acquisition of NeXT will give the Company the opportunity to become a preeminent development and deployment platform for Java technology. Acquisition Kick-Starts Apple Software Business The acquisition of NeXT's development products for enterprise and Internet markets will allow Apple to supplement its growing list of software products with a ready-made portfolio of powerful customer-focused software solutions. Apple is committed to increasing the revenue it makes from its software products and the acquisition of NeXT is a significant development in building a differentiated, sustainable and profitable software business. Apple already has a number of software products -- from QuickTime to HotSauce/MCF, which are driving industry standards in multimedia and Internet markets -- to customer applications and tools such as Apple Internet Connection Kit (AICK), Apple Media Tool, Language Kits, and communications software. Delivery of Next Generation Mac OS Apple's exhaustive research in operating system design, led the company to conclude that NEXTSTEP's maturity, networking, customer and developer acceptance, multi-tasking, protected memory, and scalability from portable to server-level products make it the clear choice for integration into the next major revision of Mac OS. Apple believes that the integration of NEXTSTEP technology in future versions of Mac OS will result in a robust, next generation OS that provides customers and developers with a multimedia-rich and Internet-savvy platform. Apple Chairman and CEO Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock, and Steve Jobs will announce details of how Apple will incorporate NeXT technology into future releases of Mac OS at MacWorld San Francisco in January. Acquisition Brings New Talent to Apple The acquisition of NeXT will result in new management talent joining Apple Computer, Inc. Avie Tevanian, formally NeXT's Vice President of Engineering, will join Apple to lead the Company's next generation OS development efforts, reporting to Ellen Hancock, Apple's executive vice president of R&D, and Chief Technology Officer. Mitch Mandich, formally NeXT's vice president of Worldwide Sales and Services, will also join Apple, reporting to Marco Landi, Apple's executive vice president and Chief Operating Officer. Dominique Trempont, NeXT's Chief Financial Officer will also be joining Apple's executive team. As a complement to this initiative, Apple Computer, Inc. also announces that Rick LeFaivre has returned to the company as head of the newly formed Apple Technology Group. This group will house Apple's research laboratories, human interface technologies, and advanced systems architecture, offering support for hardware and software integration. Rick LeFaivre will report to Ellen Hancock in this new role. (See separate press release). Apple Computer, Inc., a recognized innovator in the information industry and leader in multimedia technologies, creates powerful solutions based on easy-to-use personal computers, servers, peripherals, software, personal digital assistants and Internet content. Headquartered in Cupertino, California, Apple develops, manufactures, licenses and markets solutions, products, technologies and services for business, education, consumer, entertainment, scientific and engineering and government customers in more than 140 countries. NOTE: Apple, the Apple logo, and Macintosh, are registered trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. Additional company and product names may be trademarks or registered trademarks of the individual companies and are respectfully acknowledged. SOURCE Apple Computer Inc. © PR Newswire. All rights reserved. Additional sources of information Market Statistics - From Quote.Com Tell Me More - From Infoseek
From: Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:19:09 -0800 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Derek Juntunen wrote: > > Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. > : > : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: > : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > > Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official > announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should > sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of > time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. http://www.next.com/Merger.html Good enough?
From: rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:24:53 -0500 Organization: Clemson University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> In article <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>, djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: > Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official > announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should > sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of > time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at 200 - 300 Mhz. -- Rick McDaniel
From: mpaque@next.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 05:45:04 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59fth0$p5g@news.next.com> References: <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> There ain't nothing I can add to this: http://www.next.com/ -- Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. "May you live in interesting times." - Old Chinese curse
From: jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:32:30 -0500 Organization: TofuSoft Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca>, Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> wrote: >Derek Juntunen wrote: >> >> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >> : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >> : >> : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >> : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >> >> Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >> announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >> sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > >http://www.next.com/Merger.html > >Good enough? <http://www.apple.com/> It's on the front page. --- The Evil Tofu (Only Human)
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 21 Dec 1996 07:21:18 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59g35e$ioj@news.bctel.net> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <594f1f$120@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be> filip@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be (Filip Lingier) wrote: >WillAdams writes > > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so > > perhaps it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. > >And let's be honest, BeOS is a lot faster than Openstep/MachOS would be on >the same machine. > >Filip ????????
From: steveax@teleport.com (Steve Axthelm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: €MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 23:40:45 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Message-ID: <steveax-ya023680002012962340450001@news.teleport.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com>, lance@psnw.com (Lance Scott) wrote: > In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon Graphics, > or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) You forgot the BeBox! <http://www.be.com/> And as far as a NeXT station goes: <http://www.macweek.com/mw_1049/nw_next.html> Cheers! -Steve ----------------------------------------------------------- Have a care when there is more sail than ballast. -William Penn -----------------------------------------------------------
From: rainer@wmax60.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhöfer) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:55:27 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59gj7f$7h0@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> I can't believe it! After trying everything to kill themself, they're finally making that step forward. Now that's some Christmas surprise .... And yeah, &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & merry X-mas to all NeXTers !!!& -- &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ------------------------------------- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (finger cip@mathematik for public key ...)
From: Fisherman <halasz@sprynet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:10:12 -0700 Organization: Sprynet News Service Message-ID: <32BBFDCC.621D@sprynet.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <slrn5blcmc.apo.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <joel-2012960942560001@mfs-annex1-p31.dsphere.net> <19961220124837279606@i2-61.islandnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael O'Henly wrote: > > Joel Lingenfelter <joel@fefcful.org> wrote: > > > NeXT - I have one. It's fun to play with, but you won't be able to do > > "intensive video, audio and graphics" with this machine. It's too far > > removed from the mainstream, doesn't have much software or support. I > > still like mine a lot though... > > [...] > > > Mac - Upgrading here lets you keep what you are used to, and you can make > > a considerable jump in speed these days. The downside is you'll wait a > > little while for a truly modern os. > > Maybe not that long. There's an article in today's LA Times saying that > NeXTstep has been selected by Apple as the "new" MacOS. > > What goes around comes around... > > Michael O'Henly Jobs back at Apple? See <http://www.macweek.com/top_stories/nw_next.html>.
From: lance@psnw.com (Lance Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: €MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:58:29 -0700 Organization: Surf Punks Message-ID: <lance-ya023180002112960858290001@news.psnw.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <steveax-ya023680002012962340450001@news.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <steveax-ya023680002012962340450001@news.teleport.com>, steveax@teleport.com (Steve Axthelm) wrote: > And as far as a NeXT station goes: > > <http://www.macweek.com/mw_1049/nw_next.html> > Steve, check this out instead!! http://www.next.com/Merger/MergerRelease.html It's official...!! :)
From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 09:25:25 -0800 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59h6i5$dgn@crl.crl.com> References: <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <59fth0$p5g@news.next.com> In article <59fth0$p5g@news.next.com>, Mike Paquette <mpaque@next.com> wrote: >There ain't nothing I can add to this: > > http://www.next.com/ "NeXT should hold out for a black stripe in the Apple logo." -- Mike Morton -- Don McGregor |"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single chicken, mcgredo@crl.com | being possessed of a good fortune and presented with a good | road, must be desirous of crossing."
From: dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 17:44:14 GMT Organization: Software Munitions Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Cc: djunt@mtu.edu In <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Derek Juntunen wrote: > Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. > : > : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: > : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > > Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official > announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should > sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of > time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? -dpg
From: planet@xmission.xmission.com (planetary) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:37:43 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com> Microsoft? Adobe? WordPerfect? AutoDesk? Who the hell is going to support NextStep? I want to know! .................kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contains freshness saver packet. DO NOT EAT.
From: kathomas@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Karl Thomas) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:58:58 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hc1i$o7s@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) writes: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. There was already a press release from Apple. It is official. Go to www.news.com for the latest.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Date: 21 Dec 1996 19:34:35 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59he4b$m6a@news.bctel.net> References: <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com> planet@xmission.xmission.com (planetary) wrote: >Microsoft? > >Adobe? > >WordPerfect? > >AutoDesk? > >Who the hell is going to support NextStep? I want to know! > >.................kris >-- >Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Contains freshness saver packet. DO NOT EAT. There is already a Mac emulator out there that will run these programs under Next as well as DOS and Windows apps. Besides, now a large number of disgruntled Next developers will return to develop OpenStep apps that can be deployed on Mac, Sun, HP, and even NT.
From: "Benjamin Smith" <benjs@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 96 14:56:29 -0500 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > >http://www.next.com/Merger.html > >Good enough? It's official folks. It's the real deal. Now WinNT can start shaking in its boots? Hey Windows folks, MS has not really written any OSs. They did not write DOS, its a rewrite of CIM, they did not really write NT, it's a good rewrite of VMS, so I don't want to hear anything of Apple not having the talent to write an OS. Amiga, Be, CIM, VMS, UNIX, and Mac, these are the OS's, at least that I know of, that are out there (before you flame me I'm a layman and this impression comes from my research, feel free to correct me if you find that I am in error). Apple's decision to go with Be and then with NeXT is a prudent, pragmatic decision. I'm truly sick and tired of hearing from pompous Windows folks who keep knocking Apple as technically incompetent because of the current state of the Mac OS. They *have* come up with other technologies you know. And look at what some of the ex-Apple people have come up with, namely Be and NeXT. Ben S. --------------------------------------------------- This message was created and sent using the Cyberdog Mail System ---------------------------------------------------
From: "David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 19:44:46 GMT Organization: America.Net, P.O. Box 1222, Alpharetta, GA 30239-1222 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> Rick McDaniel <rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote in article <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>... > The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much > better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at > 200 - 300 Mhz. You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years.
From: Todd Griffith <ttgriff@jetcity.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:20:54 +0000 Organization: Jet City Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BBD626.2EB5@jetcity.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> You missed the point David! NT is not considered a mature modern operating system like Next is. And besides NT has been banished to the underpowered Intel platform. Don't be so fast with the rain, unless you want to get wet too! Todd
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:29:11 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BBD813.2C64@sfbayrun.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> <59gj7f$7h0@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: Rainer Frohnhöfer <rainer@wmax60.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Rainer Frohnhöfer wrote: > > I can't believe it! After trying everything to kill themself, > they're finally making that step forward. > > Now that's some Christmas surprise .... > > And yeah, > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > & merry X-mas to all NeXTers !!!& > -- &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > ------------------------------------- > "Um Energie zu sparen, > wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels > vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de > (finger cip@mathematik for public key ...) > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & merry X-mas to all NeXTers & Macsters too!!!!& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:46:21 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hiat$kek@news3.digex.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> "David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> wrote: > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. One interesting thing... I think NeXT's PDO runs on Alpha. If Apple/NeXT are truly open, there should be an alpha port somewhere in the distance. Just imagine it...NeXT already has been ported to at least these architectures: OPENSTEP for Mach: NeXT hardware (motorola m68k) Intel X86 Sparc HPPA PPC (NeXT shelved this when they dropped hardware, but I've heard reports that some NeXT engineers took prototypes of the dual PPC and have been doing work on it...) OPENSTEP NT Solaris GNU has proposed Linux, and OS/2 Misc PDO has been ported to Alpha 1.0 of NeXTSTEP was ported on top of AIX on RS/6000's This is one very portable OS/Environment. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: rbarris@netcom.com (Robert Barris) Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <rbarrisE2s689.71s@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> Distribution: inet Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:28:57 GMT Sender: rbarris@netcom11.netcom.com In article <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens>, David J. Owens <djowens@innova.net> wrote: >Rick McDaniel <rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote in article ><rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>... >> The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much >> better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at >> 200 - 300 Mhz. >You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of >the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows >NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. NT won't run any of the software I have written on MacOS. As it stands I see a growth path for MacOS and PowerPC that will, and NT is "not it".
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:55:02 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hir6$kek@news3.digex.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <rbarrisE2s689.71s@netcom.com> rbarris@netcom.com (Robert Barris) wrote: > NT won't run any of the software I have written on MacOS. As it stands I see a growth path for MacOS and PowerPC that will, and NT is "not it". If you port your apps to OPENSTEP (I guess it being the new version of the MacOS to some extent...) your apps will be able to run on NT. And on Solaris, and on any cpu where OPENSTEP has been ported (a bunch of them already have OPENSTEP ports...Sparc, HPPA, Intel...PPC[mothballed]). -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jellymama@aol.com (JellyMama) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Next O/S reference material Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:06:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961222000500.TAA05818@ladder01.news.aol.com> I'm looking for good Next O/S reference books and how to's any suggestions
From: matasar@teleport.com (Ben Matasar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 15:56:43 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net>, dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com wrote: >I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating >system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an >improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. Ben -- Ben Matasar matasar@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~matasar/ "Thanks to Apple Computers. It's Bitchin what these things can do." -Tori Amos
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:37:30 GMT Organization: Kuentos Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hvsa$jku@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <59hiat$kek@news3.digex.net> In <59hiat$kek@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: >"David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> wrote: >> You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of >the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows >NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. > >One interesting thing... I think NeXT's PDO runs on Alpha. If Apple/NeXT >are truly open, there should be an alpha port somewhere in the distance. > >Just imagine it...NeXT already has been ported to at least these >architectures: > >OPENSTEP for Mach: >NeXT hardware (motorola m68k) >Intel X86 >Sparc >HPPA >PPC (NeXT shelved this when they dropped hardware, but I've heard reports >that some NeXT engineers took prototypes of the dual PPC and have been >doing work on it...) > >OPENSTEP >NT >Solaris >GNU has proposed Linux, and OS/2 > >Misc >PDO has been ported to Alpha >1.0 of NeXTSTEP was ported on top of AIX on RS/6000's > >This is one very portable OS/Environment. >-- >Thanks, later, John Kheit > >monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK >NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net >Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit >New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only Thanks John, we expect to see you a lot more in comp.sys.mac-next.advocacy. Especially when you share your NeXT knowledge. (Heck I'm taking the dust off my NeXT Bible book and plans to go through every article I have on NeXT information.) Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
From: Spiro Philopoulos <umphilop@cc.umanitoba.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Info on NeXT needed Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:17:37 -0600 Organization: The University of Manitoba Message-ID: <32BC7E21.3A47@cc.umanitoba.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm a MacOS user and I've just read about the Apple-NeXT merger and that the new MacOS will use some elements of NeXT step. I've read some stuff about NeXTstep and that it is based on Mach but I was wondering if somebody could point me to where I can find more info(general and technical) on the Next OS. Thanks.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Info on NeXT needed Date: 22 Dec 1996 01:16:32 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59i25g$m6a@news.bctel.net> References: <32BC7E21.3A47@cc.umanitoba.ca> Spiro Philopoulos <umphilop@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote: >Hi >I'm a MacOS user and I've just read about the Apple-NeXT merger and >that the new MacOS will use some elements of NeXT step. I've read some >stuff about NeXTstep and that it is based on Mach but I was wondering >if somebody could point me to where I can find more info(general and >technical) on the Next OS. >Thanks. http://www.next.com
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:23:44 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > >Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that failed... The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: Jason <jasones@flash.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:07:55 -0600 Organization: The Confused and Deranged Foundation Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BC97FA.4567@flash.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knock it ALL, get FreeBSD or OpenBSD or maybe NetBSD... though specificly the biggest joke of all is NT... its been shaking since *before* day 1... maybe a workstation, but theres NO chance of server... -Jason-
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 19 Dec 1996 02:41:19 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <59aa0f$t8t@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <594f1f$120@nebula.filtronix.eunet.be> <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > On 12/16/96, Filip Lingier wrote: > > And let's be honest, BeOS is a lot faster than Openstep/MachOS > > would be on the same machine. > > Yeah, but OpenStep seems alot more stable than BeOS, and we > even have more applications.. :-) Presumably Apple would want NeXTSTEP 4.0 (OpenStep), and I'm not sure that there are all *that* many more applications for OpenStep than there are for BeOS... > Of all the things Apple MIGHT do or COULD do, I hope that > they do not choose the Be route. Of *all* the things they could do, the BeOS choice is probably one of the most interesting options. I don't know that it's the best, because I don't know their list of options, but BeOS would be a promising choice for several reasons. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:14:01 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> "Benjamin Smith" <benjs@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>http://www.next.com/Merger.html >> >>Good enough? > >It's official folks. It's the real deal. Now WinNT can start shaking in its >boots? > > >I'm truly sick and tired of hearing from pompous Windows folks who keep >knocking Apple as technically incompetent because of the current state of >the Mac OS. They *have* come up with other technologies you know. And look >at what some of the ex-Apple people have come up with, namely Be and NeXT. > > >Ben S. > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for years before his announcement. Apple, the insanely friendly computer company who continues to charge grade schools $140 to fix 140K (that's K) Apple II disk drives. Fact is Apple's in it for the bucks just like MS and the rest. Some of their stuff is good - some isn't - just like MS. As always, Apple hardware continues to be over priced and not that great to begin with. The Apple down home, built in the backyard crap smells funny when you look at a 1977 Apple "disk controller (not really - but they called it that)" card that was made in Singapore. In closing..... YAWN......
From: bigpixel@xmission.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:29:02 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Lance Scott <lance@psnw.com> Lance Scott wrote: > > Hey everyone, I would like to get your advice on something. > > I have been using Macs for almost 10 years now, and I think it's time to > move to a higher level. > > I plan on purchasing a new machine to do "intensive" Video, Audio, and Graphics. > > In your opinion(s), would I be better suited with a NeXT, Silicon Graphics, > or SUN machine?. (or stay with Mac?) > > I don't know anything about these machines, and thought it might be a good > idea to hear what you people think. > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Lance ----------------------------------- Lance, First, decide which software program you want to run then which machine it runs best on. You'll have to do some homework in that department - it completely depends on what you want to do with the system once yu have it. For serious 3D only SGI will do. Despite all of the hype about NT boxes, they're not the same. The SGI will cost you bucks though. If you want to stay on the Mac, check out Electric Image and Lightwave. For video SGI's O2 has no peers. Like I said, first find the software you want to run, then the box it runs best on. Rob -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Eye-poppin' 3D art / Silicon Graphics / Macintosh / Alias|Wavefront Rob Magiera | tel 801-943-3650 bigpixel@xmission.com | fax 801-943-6693 http://www.xmission.com/~bigpixel | ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why Apple picked BE instead of NeXtstep Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:24:23 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <59kcen$6nl@news.digifix.com> References: <19961216023600.VAA23144@ladder01.news.aol.com> <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com> <1996Dec19.075129.90823@cc.usu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1996Dec19.075129.90823@cc.usu.edu> On 12/18/96, edx@cc.usu.edu wrote: >In article <597sit$p6e@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: >> On 12/16/96, Filip Lingier wrote: >>>WillAdams writes >>> > One logical thought is that BeOS already uses PowerPC chips, so >>> > perhaps it's easier than porting Mach and NeXTStep would be. >>> >>>And let's be honest, BeOS is a lot faster than Openstep/MachOS would be on >>>the same machine. >>> >> >> Yeah, but OpenStep seems alot more stable than BeOS, and we even >> have more applications.. :-) >> > >BeOS is still in its early infancy. When it is more mature it will >be as stable as OpenStep. As for OpenStep having more applications, >it won't take long for Be support to grow to critical mass. > The above statement may not be true at this point, given the events of the last couple of days. >Remember what Gassee said when someone had the gall to compare Be >with NeXT: "Please! We don't crap on developers". > Oh PLEASE. I was writing Mac applications when JLG was at apple... I've got more Apple crap on me than I'd like. >> Of all the things Apple MIGHT do or COULD do, I hope that they do >> not choose the Be route. > >Apple could do much worse than go the Be route. > How? They have nothing but an OS. No Internet Objects like WebObjects, no business model objects like EOF, no established multiplatform API like OpenStep. The fact that Avie is now incharge of the NextOS at Apple is the best news possible. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: "Kris & Scott Gant" <sgant@interaccess.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:14:01 GMT Organization: Magic Pixel Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbefd7$82ae78e0$f64fb7ce@interaccess> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar <togar@msn.com> wrote > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > years before his announcement. Apple, the insanely friendly computer > company who continues to charge grade schools $140 to fix 140K (that's > K) Apple II disk drives. Fact is Apple's in it for the bucks just like > MS and the rest. What I can't understand is people like you think that companies that charge for software/hardware are the most evil thing on the planet. Why? Also, what is wrong with being in the business of writing software to sell? Is it maybe because you are hack programmers who can't get a real job or are so uncreative and you're jealous because someone else thought up a concept for software and you didn't, or what? I really would like to know! Here's a clue, every software manufacturer that sells/develops software is in it for the money. Wow, what a revelation!
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:42:19 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for ^^^^ > years before his announcement. 3.5" floppy on a TRS-80? Are you sure you did not mean 5.25" floppy? I can assure you that the Mac was the first US machine to ship with a 3.5" floppy drive. A drive which did not become easily available until 1984 which is when Apple shipped it with the original Mac. How did you use it for 'years' prior to that? Oh well..... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:44:37 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> Hi Thomas :) Thanks for the FAQ! Just a couple of tidbits. Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > Next has: A small but loyal following of users. The NextStep/OpenStep > OS has Multitasking Memory Protected SMP Network-Ready Object-Oriented > Application Model WebObjects Client Server/Based Portable API > Excellent UI, possibly a little to much for some though. The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. and another thing... > Disadvantages: Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed > to clean that up. Kernel needs updating If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to see it. I've put 4 year old's on this system and they have had no problems using it...nor does my mom or any newbies. It's there under the hood if you WANT to use it, and that really is an advantage b/c there are many things that can be done better the a command line than a GUI in certain situations. However, if you NEVER want to see the unix side of NS, you don't have to. The GUI is very robust, easy to use, elegant, and you'd never know unix was around. However, I really don't see this as a disadvantage. Unix underpinnings have very STRONG benefits for us all. It's a very robust, time tested environment that IS the web. To have native support under the hood, just puts Apple in a stronger position in the future, especially in regard to the Internet. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Jason <jasones@flash.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:39:50 -0600 Organization: The Confused and Deranged Foundation Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Vincent wrote: > > The fastest Power PC chips available right now are running something > like 586 MGHZ. They will be available in March of 1997. 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring different processors by thier Mhz... -Jason-
From: happy2@home.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 17:28:28 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> From: esteban <esteban@CERF.NET> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NExt POP clients Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 02:02:52 -0800 Organization: slime Message-ID: <32BD074C.3F4C@CERF.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a good POP client for NeXt (running 3.2). Better yet, is there a version of the Maillapp that comes with Next that supports POP? -Esteban esteban@CERF.NET
From: "Ken Townshend" <kent@voicenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Generation OS Date: 22 Dec 96 18:32:55 -0500 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Message-ID: <AEE32F5B-9C88D@207.103.11.241> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961222110627.10595A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.voicenet.com/comp.sys.next.software You know all my computer life I've been an underdog kind of guy. I loved my Atari 1040ST (no one ack pleeeze), and when I switched to the Macintosh over 10 years ago, I swore I would never leave the platform. Well with this event I'm glad I never did. I've always heard about the beauty of the black beauty (NeXT Cube) and if I were rich I would have bought one but that never happened. I also love the concepts in the BeOS and quite honestly I will buy the BeOS when it comes out, but I'm really happy the deal went this way. This is best it can get. I just hope all egos can be put aside and that we all become friends (basically meaning all people NeXT people and Apple People, I know this sounds wimpy, but the bummer about Be developers is they don't get it. They think Apple is not needed and they will take over the industry). The truth is IF we have to find someone to charge againist its not each other but Microsoft. They are the dominant player in the industry and the real threat. I feel Apple has finally got the picture. My only wish is this and I know it won't totally pan out this way, but I wish it would. Apple just ought to port NeXT OS to its PowerPC chips give a new name and lower price so all can aford it and put it out there. Keep it fer Intel, and other RISC architectures. Basically keep it as it is. Its elegant and beautiful and maybe add a little more sugar coating for the UI so new people can deal with it. Maybe somehow, port some Apple technologies to it, to keep it consistent, technologies like QTML and Quickdraw3D, as alternatives to whatever NeXT OS uses. I admit I don't know how the NeXT OS werks underneath but I'm willing to learn. The point fer me is this : I love the NeXT OS as it is, Keep it that way and get it out fer all of us, make Intel want this OS on top of their chips and give Apple at least some of the marketshare back (notice I didn't say take it over, but at least realistically give em a 15% marketshare). I know some of us want to think big but I don't want Apple to become M$ I couldn't deal with it. As far as Ameilio and crew and Steve Jobs and crew I give em credit fer taking the first step. I just hope they keep making right moves, if they do then 1997 will be a great year for them if not well lets hope it does not get to that. IMHO opinion port the thing right now (of course there are technical issues, but they can hopefully get around that), get it NOW !!!!!! I love the interface builder great concept, I would love to develop using these concepts (I just bought NeXTSTEP Programming because I needed a book I thought would give me an idea of what NeXT people had fer 10 years now....Does anyone know a good book on the technical underpinnings of the NeXT OS...just a book on the OS itself without programming I should try and get). Anyway as far as I'm concerned this was the best Christmas present I could get. My favorite company might be back together with its original creator....wow what an event, You can believe I'm going to keep on this stuff now. I hope people can get it done this might be our last shot againist M$ !!!!!!!!! Merry Christmas everyone 8) Ken Townshend
From: wood@cs.dal.ca (Ron Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 22 Dec 1996 13:23:05 GMT Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> Ben Matasar (matasar@teleport.com) wrote: : Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So : presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that : NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. As far as I recall, the Copland kernel was not based on Mach. But --Hullo!-- is there really no one that recalls that Apple has supported the MkLinux project for the past year? (Mk = Mach kernel). Go to Developer World at <http://www.developerworld.apple.com> and look at the MkLinux pages. The kernel for NextStep is already THERE, if not entirely finished. So, they have two kernels to choose from, and one that gives them a fairly rapid path to a developer's release-- 6 months from now at World-Wide Developer's Conference, as Apple has suggested. (It looks like they want to show they can do this quickly and then release to the public in 1998.) -Ronald S. Wood
From: David Reed <David@aliada.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 19:50:36 +0000 Organization: David Reed Distribution: world Message-ID: <z57HdAAM4uuyEwkl@aliada.demon.co.uk> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net>, Leo Russ <leoruss@mcs.net> writes >Gentlemen, >I am considering purchase of Adobe Acrobat specifically for Web design. >I have a few questions: >1. Can I import graphics into pdf documents? What fromats? How about >vector DXF or AI? EPS? JPG? TIF/TGA? >2. How do I publish page on the Net? Would it convert them into HTML >format? >3. Can I create tables/frames? >4. What are it's limitations as far as web authoring is concerned? >5. Can I create complete page/site in Illustrator/CorelDraw/Photoshop >and import it into Acrobat? >6. What else will I need to create full-blown sites with >text/graphics/links/tables/frames/forms/etc.? I.e. Distiller, filters, >etc. It normally all starts with relatively cheap ($150 for Acrobat is >cheap) package, and , as soon as you are hooked, they peel your skin - >not to mention your pants - off. >Thanks for help. >PS Maybe somebody would recommend better solution - I'm sick & tired of >writing HTML code manually. Netscape 3 is ok but it does have its >limitations. Like no support for frames... >Leo (leoruss@mcs.net) There are Acrobat newsgroups. They might have a better working knowledge of these problems. -- David Reed
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:57:37 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <32BDCAEF.5F1D@earthlink.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's all good! Let's hear it for Apple and NeXT! Sorry Bill, I don't do Windows! STEVE K.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Date: 23 Dec 1996 00:02:50 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <587851299369@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues a#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:27:14 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BDDFF2.3495@exnext.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> Reply-To: jon@exnext.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nhv-ct3-24.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Dec 22 5:26:46 PM PST 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.os.linux.advocacy:85715 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:145694 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:170590 comp.unix.advocacy:34442 comp.sys.next.software:26652 comp.sys.next.misc:23647 comp.sys.next.advocacy:45751 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:2485 Lance Togar wrote: >Sooo, he's > still a DWEEB in my book. However, when you consider that I'm probably > outgunned(mouthed) 1.44M to 1, Jobs story will probably continue to be > taken as truth. J You were screwing around, hanging new floppy disks off of a freaking *TRS-80 model 1*, and you call *Steve Jobs* a dweeb? [Sproing!!!] Damn. There goes my brand-new IRONY-O-METER 2000. Just got the thing, too. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 17:24:43 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > different processors by thier Mhz... Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 01:23:18 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bddbc2.31740560@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <ldluther-2212961304070001@dial26a.e-tex.com> ldluther@e-tex.com (Nasty Canasta) wrote: >In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > SNIP > >Yawn all you like. The problem with the Macintosh has never been hardware >related. The PowerMacs are very much superior to anything in the intel >world. Can you say flat memory is superior to segmented memory? I knew you >could. Heck! The even the 68000 had flat memory; which BTW Plentydumbs >still don't have. > >The PowerMac hardware is really solid; the only thing that Apple really >needs is a modern OS that will take advantage of it. > >-- > OK, I'm really into this now. I'll bet you an M0001 that my memory is as flat as yours. Just get your chips out and let's have a look. Must be Plentydumbs are a west coast thing. Never seen any around here. I'll agree that Apple needs a modern OS. Hasn't happened yet, so.... should I run right out and buy a PowerPC and wait? Maybe with your money. Before you write the check, perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain to us all why you think PowerMACs are very superior to anything in the Intel world.
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Generation OS Date: 23 Dec 1996 01:37:41 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <59knp5$ba2@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961222110627.10595A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <AEE32F5B-9C88D@207.103.11.241> Cc: kent@voicenet.com In <AEE32F5B-9C88D@207.103.11.241> "Ken Townshend" wrote: > Anyway as far as I'm concerned this was the best Christmas present I could > get. My favorite company might be back together with its original > creator....wow what an event, You can believe I'm going to keep on this > stuff now. I hope people can get it done this might be our last shot > againist M$ !!!!!!!!! Merry Christmas everyone 8) > > Well, to cite a book I just read: 'All we got is a fighting chance, and thats all we need.' Merry Christmas! - Frank (Who now sees the future in a much bighter light... OS wise :-)) -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> Distribution: inet Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 18:09:06 GMT In article <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com writes: >In <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Derek Juntunen wrote: >> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >> : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >> : >> : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >> : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >> >> Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >> announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >> sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. >> > >I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating >system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an >improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? > A careful reading of the Apple press releases on www.apple.com produces two observations that may shed some light on this question. They are in NeXTspeak code, so I'll paraphrase: NEXTSTEP will be the OS on the Mac while OpenStep will continue to be sold and supported. Capital letters count here, gang. This means that the current plan is to port OpenStep over Mach to the Mac. Second tidbit is that Avie Tevanian will be heading the OS development group. Avie was in on the original development of Mach at Carnegie Mellon. He's a tremendous asset, and is probably _the_ biggest reason why NEXTSTEP has the technological leadership it does. Now, this is just a reading of the tea leaves, but I think it says a lot more than they intended to say. Steve -- Steven M. Boker (219) 631-4941 (office) (219) 631-8883 (fax) boker@virginia.edu http://kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu/steve_boker/ Dept. of Psychology, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 10:10:20 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is my expanded long summary of the whole situation. I will post this at http://www.sfbayrun.com/next/index.html . Later today. January 7, 1997 will be the big date for all of us. It will be the biggest MacWorld in history. Gil's got the ball, now it is time for him to run with it. In San Francisco he will announce Apple's OS strategy. It will hopefully be the day the Mac/Next fights back. Guy Kawasaki the ultimate in Macintosh evangelism predicted this in 1994. Well sorta, it was one of his fantasies: http://www.macworld.com/pages/november.94/Column.991.html . On the subject of Steve Jobs. He is going to be a part time technical advisor to Amelio. Next users always fault Job's management style, and Next's overall style of running a company. I don't think Job's will have much of a say in this one. What he will bring and have is his undying devotion to quality. One of the things that makes Next so stable is that, the NextStep OS, is Steve Jobs baby. It is a quality OS, and most of all stable. As for the Mach Kernel in the Next OS being out of date. Do you guys really think that Apple is going to sit still. to quote Amelio, "This will allow us to innovate for the next ten years, and give the copycats something to copy." If the Next Community is going too merge with the Apple community then you need to start reading up on it. Apple sponsors a number of mailing lists that are wonderful. You can give feedback there, and the top levels of Apple listen. Developers fear not, Heidi Roezen (Sorry I probably crucified the spelling of her name.) is on board as head of developer relations. She is one smart cookie. People call her the canary in the coal mine. If she leaves then were all in trouble. Check out http://devworld.apple.com/ for more info. To quote a MacUser Article at http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/myslewski12.html, the Mach Kernel is : "a fast, mature, and reliable UNIX kernel that supports symmetric multiprocessing, preemptive multitasking, and other "modern OS" features. NeXTStep's Display PostScript architecture could make it ideal for the Mac's core users, the publishing community." Apple has: A strong 26 million user base, with strong markets in multimedia. Apple has established technologies like Quicktime. They have good market share in Education, publishing, content creation, and small business. There development strengths again lay in content development, and multimedia. Future PPCP platform will free many companies to make clones, free's companies form relying on proprietary ASIC's. This will raise the user installed base even more. Power PC Chips are at close to 600 MGHZ, at the moment. They probably will be able to reach a 1GHZ by the end of next year. $50 million in assumed debt from Next, makes a nice tax write off. Disadvantage: Apples current OS, is buggy, and relatively unstable. Much more stable then Windows 95, but not as stable as Windows NT, or plane old UNIX. Next has: A small but loyal following of users. The NextStep/OpenStep OS has Multitasking Memory Protected SMP Network-Ready Object-Oriented Application Model WebObjects Client Server/Based Portable API Excellent UI, possibly a little to much for some though. Penetration in Markets such as Enterprise, Services, and Infrastructure. These are markets that Apple would like to penetrate. Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. Disadvantages: Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up. Kernel needs updating Apple has a great little page on the advantages of the merger: http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q1/961220.pr.rel.chart.html The following is a set of links of everything i could find about the buy out. PC Dictionary definition of NextStep: http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/NextStep.htm MacWeek's Articles: http://www.macweek.com/top_stories/nw_next.html http://www.macweek.com/mw_1049/nw_next.html http://www.macweek.com/mw_1049/op_capsule.html MacUser Article's: http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/gorey25.html http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/myslewski12.html MacAddict: http://www.macaddict.com/news.html History of Steve Jobs http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Jobs.html Wired interview with Steve Jobs http://www.hotwired.com/wired/4.02/features/jobs.html Apple's Press Release: http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q1/961220.pr.rel.next.html Apple's & Next Meet the Press: http://www2.apple.com/home/news/ MacWorld Article: http://www.macworld.com/daily/daily.892.html Next's Merger Page http://www.next.com/Merger/Welcome.html Letter from BE http://www.macintouch.com/beletter.html Ellen Hancock's Letter to developers http://www.macintouch.com/hancockletter.html Mercury News Story: http://cgi.sjmercury.com/business/jobs/ ------------------------ Macintouch, run by Ric Ford, little if anything gets past him: http://www.macintouch.com/ Stepwise Server, the ultimate Next Resource: http://www.stepwise.com/ Apple's Home Page: http://www.apple.com Next's Home Page http://www.next.com -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 96 17:13:25 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEE31CBA-327ED@207.158.11.69> References: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > >I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating > >system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an > >improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? > > A careful reading of the Apple press releases on www.apple.com > produces two observations that may shed some light on this > question. They are in NeXTspeak code, so I'll paraphrase: > > NEXTSTEP will be the OS on the Mac while OpenStep will continue > to be sold and supported. Capital letters count here, gang. > This means that the current plan is to port OpenStep over Mach > to the Mac. I think you are reading into it what YOU want to see... not what might be there. Reporters are netorious for altering words and meanings... and reading what THEY said, and then making assumptions based on those wordings is pretty far out. It might happen to work - but that would likely be just coincidence. I'll wait two more weeks to find out the truth... I would bet that Apple will put it on their own kernal and file system though. > Second tidbit is that Avie Tevanian will be heading the OS development > group. Avie was in on the original development of Mach at > Carnegie Mellon. He's a tremendous asset, and is probably _the_ > biggest reason why NEXTSTEP has the technological leadership it > does. Sounds good. > Now, this is just a reading of the tea leaves, but I think it > says a lot more than they intended to say. I don't know... I could read that whole thing differently. That Apple is going to alter NeXT step and make it Mac only... but have a sub-set of that functionality (OpenStep) that runs on other systems. Not disimilar to say AppleScript - which has a subset contained in OpenDoc... or QuickTime which original supported more functionality (Authoring) on the Mac.... etc., etc... -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this,= Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 02:21:24 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for >> years before his announcement. > >Are you joking? Or insane? Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed by Apple. >The Macintosh was the first computer ever to use 3.5" floppy drive in january >1984! Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the computer too. >Maybe you started using it on TRS80 in 1990... And have a weak memory... > Well, maybe. When are you going to buy a computer? >--
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 22 Dec 1996 19:19:42 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> Alex (achaney@voicenet.com) wrote: : > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of : > the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows : > NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. And how affordable are those? Any SPARC station would be cooler than that. And a SGI station would be cooler than a SPARC. What's your point? And when NeXT/Apple OS runs, it'll be on a RISC chip. The one thing that workstation industry thought will never happen in desktop industry. And the success was made possible on an allience project. PowerPC is still at an unrealized stage, NeXT/Apple OS will lift it.
From: ldluther@e-tex.com (Nasty Canasta) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 13:04:07 -0600 Organization: Drink Pepsi & DIE! Distribution: inet Message-ID: <ldluther-2212961304070001@dial26a.e-tex.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > years before his announcement. Apple, the insanely friendly computer > company who continues to charge grade schools $140 to fix 140K (that's > K) Apple II disk drives. Fact is Apple's in it for the bucks just like > MS and the rest. Some of their stuff is good - some isn't - just like > MS. As always, Apple hardware continues to be over priced and not that > great to begin with. The Apple down home, built in the backyard crap > smells funny when you look at a 1977 Apple "disk controller (not > really - but they called it that)" card that was made in Singapore. > In closing..... YAWN...... Yawn all you like. The problem with the Macintosh has never been hardware related. The PowerMacs are very much superior to anything in the intel world. Can you say flat memory is superior to segmented memory? I knew you could. Heck! The even the 68000 had flat memory; which BTW Plentydumbs still don't have. The PowerMac hardware is really solid; the only thing that Apple really needs is a modern OS that will take advantage of it. -- From the Catbird's seat, high atop the world's tallest concrete water tower... "Ex Luna & Astris Scientia" Larry Dean Luther Luther Cybernautics Tyler, Texas 95 deg 19 min W, 32 deg 21 min N ldluther@e-tex.com _____________________________________________________________________ While it's true that two wrongs don't make a right, it's equally true that two Wrights can make an airplane. _____________________________________________________________________
From: Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:35:28 -0800 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BD8D80.4DE0@netcom.ca> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59jlt1$r3l@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: > > In <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca>, wood@cs.dal.ca (Ron Wood) writes: > >Ben Matasar (matasar@teleport.com) wrote: > > > >: Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So > >: presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that > >: NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. > > > >As far as I recall, the Copland kernel was not based on Mach. But > >--Hullo!-- is there really no one that recalls that Apple has supported > >the MkLinux project for the past year? (Mk = Mach kernel). Go to Developer > >World at <http://www.developerworld.apple.com> and look at the MkLinux > >pages. The kernel for NextStep is already THERE, if not entirely finished. > >So, they have two kernels to choose from, and one that gives them a fairly > >rapid path to a developer's release-- 6 months from now at World-Wide > >Developer's Conference, as Apple has suggested. (It looks like they want > >to show they can do this quickly and then release to the public in 1998.) > > > >-Ronald S. Wood > > By george that's a good observation. On top of that the MKLinux kernel already > runs on a variety of Power Macs. They can indeed do a rapid port to the Power > Mac platform. Why choose? Now Apple has two OS possibilities, just like MS, and one already runs on the far more popular x86 series, so Apple has an "in" into the corporate MIS market which has always been its Achilles heel, a it can use the Copland kernel for its PPC-only offerings.
From: Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: mothballs, dustbunnies, musings and the value of the letter "h" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:26:15 -0800 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961222110627.10595A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, first of all I'm really gratified to see that virtually every prediction anyone ever made concerning the fate of NeXT and NEXTSTEP (both good and bad) was wrong. Also, it's kind of amusing that this whole NeXT/Apple thing results in what is probably the most expensive typographical change of all time -- $400 million to go from MachOS to MacOS! Now, I'd hope that some of the shelved/dormant projects in the NeXT dev community get revived. PasteUp or Eloquent, anyone? (though admittedly there will now be the likes of Adobe producing for native "MacStep" in whatever form it takes -- still, it would please me greatly if Stone, AFS, P&L, Sarrus and all the other great NS developers were able to do well from all this. Be interesting to see TIFFany side-by-side with PhotoShop, for instance.) And we can also hope that NeXT brings out all the stuff originally planned for OpenStep -- like the new UI (tabbed shelf, etc.) Whatever happened to FEE [Fast Elliptic Encryption]? But we also can't forget that NEXTSTEP/OpenStep/"MacStep" needs quite a few things before it can be considered "really" modern -- let's hope someone has these on the drawing board. Stuff like a real file system (journaling, extremely large volumes and files, etc.), DHCP and Dynamic DNS (client and server), ACLs, IPv6 support, federally-rated security, and so on. And then there's the whole issue of 64-bitness. Should be fun... -Dayne Miller dayne@wolfenet.com
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 20:20:51 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59k573$mrn@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) wrote: > A careful reading of the Apple press releases on www.apple.com > produces two observations that may shed some light on this > question. They are in NeXTspeak code, so I'll paraphrase: > > NEXTSTEP will be the OS on the Mac while OpenStep will continue > to be sold and supported. Capital letters count here, gang. > This means that the current plan is to port OpenStep over Mach > to the Mac. Those who have been with NeXT for a long time knows that in the past the meanings of the various terms have changed, and they could be changing yet again with this merger. I would not read too much into the above press release. Now, your prediction may very well be right, but it could just as easily be wrong. NeXTSTEP (I refuse to change the capitalization) could just mean "OpenStep delivered with an operating system", and that operating system could include the kernel from Copland or mklinux. > Second tidbit is that Avie Tevanian will be heading the OS > development group. Avie was in on the original development of > Mach at Carnegie Mellon. He's a tremendous asset, and is probably > _the_ biggest reason why NEXTSTEP has the technological leadership > it does. This is true, but it also doesn't give us any clues as to what the new OS will really look like. If mklinux or Copland is based on Mach, then Avie is still a great person to be leading up the OS development group. For that matter, if it was based on string and old gum he'd *still* be a great asset to the OS development group. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: wonko@madness.tmok.com (Wonko the Sane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 22 Dec 96 21:44:37 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (401) 885-4243 Message-ID: <slrn5brb4s.g89.wonko@madness.tmok.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:29:02 -0700, bigpixel@xmission.com <bigpixel@xmission.com> wrote: > >First, decide which software program you want to run then which machine >it runs best on. You'll have to do some homework in that department - >it completely depends on what you want to do with the system once yu >have it. excellent advice. >For serious 3D only SGI will do. Despite all of the hype about NT >boxes, they're not the same. The SGI will cost you bucks though. If >you want to stay on the Mac, check out Electric Image and Lightwave. and again, great advice, very true about the SGIs. gotta love them though. >For video SGI's O2 has no peers. Like I said, first find the software >you want to run, then the box it runs best on. and to this i have to say, WHAT? the O2 is a watered down SGI machine for the masses. you want real power, go with an Indigo2 or an Impact machine. but now you have to ook at cost. the O2 has no peer in it's price range, but the Impact machines are faster (and more expensive) than the O2 and the Indigo2 is still the fastest (and most expensive) machine, but has the best upgrade path. can you put an R10000 w/2M L2 cache in an O2? nope. -wonko
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Date: 22 Dec 1996 10:02:05 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <59j0ut$fe4@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com> planet@xmission.xmission.com (planetary) wrote: > Microsoft? I remember something about Bill Gates talking about "putting pins in his eyes" before he'd develop for NeXTSTEP. Perhaps this will be handled by emulation. Either MacOS emulation, or perhaps just SoftPC emulation. It's already true that Microsoft delays Mac releases, and usually screws them up, so you might as well go with the version that they support the most. > Adobe? I would think so. With Apple switching to DPS (assuming that's part of the deal), I would think Adobe will be quite happy. > WordPerfect? One would think so. > AutoDesk? Dunno. > Who the hell is going to support NextStep? I want to know! From the sound of the press releases, Apple/NeXT will. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: *.pdf viewer, like Acrobat Acroread Date: 22 Dec 1996 10:04:27 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <59j13b$fe4@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1996Dec18.101021@emc.com> walton@emc.com (John Walton) wrote: > > Is there an binary application for black hardware > like Acrobat acroread for .pdf files? Look for something called "OmniPDF" available at: ftp://eclipse.its.rpi.edu/NeXT/web/OmniPDF_f/ among other places. That's a directory that has four single-architecture versions, along with a quad-fat archive. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 13:54:15 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fastest Power PC chips available right now are running something like 586 MGHZ. They will be available in March of 1997. Tzu-Lun Lin wrote: > > Alex (achaney@voicenet.com) wrote: > > : > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of > : > the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows > : > NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. > > And how affordable are those? Any SPARC station would be cooler than that. > And a SGI station would be cooler than a SPARC. What's your point? > > And when NeXT/Apple OS runs, it'll be on a RISC chip. The one thing that > workstation industry thought will never happen in desktop industry. And > the success was made possible on an allience project. PowerPC is still at > an unrealized stage, NeXT/Apple OS will lift it. -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | The Next Apple Page http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/next --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Kris & Scott Gant" <sgant@interaccess.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:02:29 GMT Organization: Magic Pixel Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> happy2@home.com wrote > Image a state of the art operating system being swallowed by the > mis-Management at Apple; This may be more a question of how long it > takes Apple to screw Next OS up enough to rename it Copeland. I hate > to beat this drum, but Apple has f___-ed up more talent and promising > software developments over the past 15 years than any company has a > right to, and I predict that, 1. they'll do it again; or, 2. Jobs > will regain his sanity and do a buy-back before it's too late and NeXT > OS becomes "What's Next" or What's left. All of this thrusts the BE > OS to the forefront and I pray they have enough cents to avoid the > Core. I believe this was the past, under the old management. You have to remember, if Apple was still like they were, they wouldn't even have acquired NeXT....they would still be working on Copeland! I honestly believe they have been humbled.....losing millions and millions of dollars and having shareholders screaming at you tends to do that. The new management at Apple is there to turn the company around, NOT drive it into the ground. They know they have to deliver this time. There is no second chance anymore. They are near their make-or-break point as it is. Just reading the name NeXT and Apple in the same sentence had me ready to throw this NT box I'm writing this on out the window! I love Apple hardware and have always loved NeXT. I mean, this is a match I've dreamed about before....(geez...that's pretty sick to think that I dream of computer systems....I need to get out more).
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 19:22:16 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2212961922160001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> In article <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Yes I did mean 3.5" drive and I did mean TRS-80. In fact it was a > TRS-80 Model I. Using and getting it was simple. I bought one from a > distributor along with a cable adapter and plugged it into my disk > controller. Well, Apple never claimed to have 'invented' the 3.5 inch drive. We certainly were the first machine to ship with one. Buying one, one your own, and hooking it up, does not in any way invalidate the invoation of deciding to take the risk of converting to it. Now the whole industry uses them. Oh well...... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 19:27:33 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> In article <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, > color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the > computer too. Nope, we never claimed such. Steve Jobs had a 'famous' trip to Xerox where he became sold on the idea of GUI, etc. Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights to many of their windowing/mice ideas. We never invented the above, but we _absolutely_ have the right to claim we brought GUI, mice, and laser printers to a large mass market. In our first month of Mac sales we had more mouse based/windowing machines in the field than the rest of the planet combined. Oh well.... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 03:53:16 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bdfffb.41014421@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> <32BDDFF2.3495@exnext.com> "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> wrote: >Lance Togar wrote: >>Sooo, he's >> still a DWEEB in my book. However, when you consider that I'm probably >> outgunned(mouthed) 1.44M to 1, Jobs story will probably continue to be >> taken as truth. J > >You were screwing around, hanging new floppy disks off of a >freaking *TRS-80 model 1*, and you call *Steve Jobs* a dweeb? > Well, *I* leaned how they worked from the experience and seem to be in the minority in that regard. Actually dweeb is probably inexact. Jobs is probably the best PR dude I've ever seen in action. He could sell anything to anyone and has proven it. His dweebness IS probably in question. > > >Damn. There goes my brand-new IRONY-O-METER 2000. Just got >the thing, too. > Yup, I got one of those too - mine works fine. > >-- >Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. >OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati >http://www.steeldriving.com > Are you the guys doing a Model I Delphi port? >
From: walker@lavalamp.mnscorp.com (Art Walker) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 04:49:18 GMT Organization: Internet Integration Services - Omaha, NE Distribution: inet Message-ID: <slrn5bs3lu.4b.walker@lavalamp.mnscorp.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <32BBD626.2EB5@jetcity.com> On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:20:54 +0000, Todd Griffith <ttgriff@jetcity.com> wrote: >NT is not considered a mature modern operating system like Next is. By whom, the buying public? -Art -- Art Walker | Internet: Art.Walker@mnscorp.com Network Analyst | Snail Mail: 1941 South 42nd Street Midwest Network Solutions Corp. | Suite 528 (402) 346-7687 F:(402) 346-8838 | Omaha, NE 68105-2939
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:45:23 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support > SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently > was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree on. Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that Next supports SMP. -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | The NeXT Apple Page http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/next/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 05:47:48 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2312960049330001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> In article <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>, rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: > The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much > better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at > 200 - 300 Mhz. Hit Evangelist at about the same time. Guy devoted pages of official announcements of exactly what was happening. He seems very happy. :) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 07:03:58 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> In-Reply-To: <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: >John Kheit wrote: > > >> The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support >> SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently >> was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. > >I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree on. >Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that Next >supports SMP. TRUE - NeXT supports SMP (OpenStep for NT works fine with SMP and who knows what they have in house for experimental PPC kernels) FALSE - The Mach kernel currently used by NeXTSTEP and OpenStep/Mach supports SMP. The two statements are neither exclusive nor contradictory. --
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 05:58:53 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2312960100380001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> In article <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: > And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. > Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that > failed... > The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) IBM. PPC-NT. Not! This is not a partnership, it is the return of the prodigal sparkplug. How could it fail? More to the point, take a moment to look at the publicity value... Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 06:09:28 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> In article <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess>, "Kris & Scott Gant" <sgant@interaccess.com> wrote: > Just reading the name NeXT and Apple in the same sentence had me ready to > throw this NT box I'm writing this on out the window! I love Apple hardware > and have always loved NeXT. I mean, this is a match I've dreamed about > before....(geez...that's pretty sick to think that I dream of computer > systems....I need to get out more). Sell it, man! Quick! Here, I'll help- 'NeXT and Apple suddenly lock together with serious enthusiasm on both sides- a kernel that'll run NeXT already _exists_ (see MkLinux info)- the designer largely responsible for the technological superiority of NeXT is named as the one who will head the OS team... Don't throw that NT box out the window! _Sell_ it quick. To somebody that hasn't heard. Or someone who hasn't seen even a NeXT screenshot. Be quick, the opportunity might vanish _real_ quick if I'm reading things right. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 10:13:22 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Philosophy, Utrecht University, The Netherlands Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59lifi$gj3@larry.serv.phil.ruu.nl> References: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <AEE31CBA-327ED@207.158.11.69> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David: >I'll wait two more weeks to find out the truth... I would bet that >Apple will put it on their own kernal and file system though. No! Oh, no, please, no! Not the MacOS file system... no, please, no! Freek
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 08:58:45 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59lhk5$oiq@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > John Kheit wrote: > > > The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support > > SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach > > inherently was designed for such things, but right now it's > > not there. > > I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree > on. Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that > Next supports SMP. I haven't checked the page you're looking at, but note that Apple could very well be talking about what they intend to have for "MacStep" (their new OS), and that MacStep could have a different kernel than NeXTSTEP does. It also could be that the issue with the current NeXTSTEP kernel is just a matter of compiling it with the multi-processor support turned on. Certainly with it turned off, the kernel isn't SMP :-) I imagine this is one of those details that we'll have to wait a bit more to find out the real information on. Perhaps at MacWorld. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: etienne@jupiter.univ-lr.fr (Etienne Gourdon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: EOController question (EOF/Oracle) Date: 23 Dec 1996 09:26:23 GMT Organization: Universite de La Rochelle Message-ID: <59lj7v$cvb@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> Keywords: EOF EOController IB ORACLE Hi, I've a little question concerning EOController. I want to load twice a NIB (with loadNibSection) which contains many EOController. When I do a saveToObjects on EOController of the first NIB, EOController of the second NIB are updated with values of the first and I do not want this. How can I do, not to have this result ? PS: I've remarked that if I use one EOController on a table and a second on a view (on that table) then the saveToObjects on one EOController do not update values of the other PS2: I'm still using EOF 1.1 with Oracle 7.0.16.4.
From: Reto Koradi <kor@mol.biol.ethz.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:27:09 +0100 Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETHZ) Message-ID: <32BE7A9D.5A67@mol.biol.ethz.ch> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> <slrn5brb4s.g89.wonko@madness.tmok.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Wonko the Sane <wonko@madness.tmok.com> Wonko the Sane wrote: > and to this i have to say, WHAT? the O2 is a watered down SGI > machine for the masses. Well, if you want to express it this way. It's indeed quite a bit cheaper than a serious SGI machine was before, but I find the performance to be very impressive for the price level. > you want real power, go with an Indigo2 or an Impact machine. Indigo2 is a machine, Impact is a graphics system. All Impact graphics systems are in an Indigo2. Do they still sell Indigo2s with other graphics systems but Impact? Not sure about that, but to a large degree, "Indigo2" and "Impact" are the same thing. > can you put an R10000 w/2M L2 cache in an O2? nope. Certainly an R10000, maybe with less cache. -- Reto Koradi (kor@mol.biol.ethz.ch, http://www.mol.biol.ethz.ch/~kor)
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 12:20:57 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> In-Reply-To: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: > The NextStep/OpenStep OS has > Please differentiate between NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, and OpenStep for Mach. > SMP > No, not in its current incarnation. > Excellent UI, possibly a little to much for some though. > In what ways? > Penetration in Markets such as Enterprise, Services, and Infrastructure. > These are markets that Apple would like to penetrate. > > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. > Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz was only available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. > Disadvantages: > Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up. > Unix is an *advantage*. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: ivy@erinet.com (Aaron T. Dingus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Need NextStep for Intel 3.3 Installation Help Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:00:39 GMT Organization: EriNet Online 513 436-1700 (Voice) Message-ID: <32be9081.151496@news.erinet.com> Seasons greetings, I am installing NextSTEP 3.3 for Intel on a system and it is not working, and I could use some advice. The Intel Pentium/133 machine has a 850MB EIDE HD as primary master, and a 6X IDE CD (an NEC model 280) as primary slave off a PCI controller fixed on a Triton II based MB. The CD works fine under DOS/Windows95 for both music and data. I select the Adaptec154x series the CD-ROM controller, as the NextAnswers documents say to . I then use the additional drivers diskette to select EIDE/ATAPI as the HD controller, also as the NextAnswers say to. It then shows a graphical window to a terminal, and says that it detects an ATA drive as well as ATAPI device 1. Eventually it shows the model name of the CD-ROM correctly. Then the fun begins. It says that it "cannot read a packet from device 1, Retrying..." . It then waits about 2 minutes, and tries again to the same avail. After about 7 tries, it attempts to mount the CD anyway and has a kernal panic. A couple of things else: - I have tried the current beta drivers for 154x and EIDE/ATAPI - they produce a message that is similar if not completey identical to the mesage created by the old EIDE/ATAPI drivers. - I have changed the BIOS settings in every way imaginable with regards to PIO and etc. - The NextAnswers document lists some NEC models as having known incompatiblities with the EIDE/ATAPI driver. It doesn't list this CD-ROM's exact model number however. At this point I am willing to try another CD-ROM if I have to, but I want to be certain that this one is the source of the problem first. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated, as I trying to get NextSTEP up and running on this machine ASAP. Happy Holidays, Aaron T. Dingus ivy@erinet.com
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 02:01:59 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BE2E67.7482@exnext.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Vincent wrote: > > John Kheit wrote: > > > The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support > > SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently > > was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. > > I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree on. > Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that Next > supports SMP. Undoubtedly, Apple has seen things in NeXT's labs that we commoners haven't seen. A vestigial version of NeXTSTEP was running on a dual PowerPC box, just barely enough to run a NeXT Asteroids game called Xox. I don't know if that was an SMP box, though. Perhaps they've done more work on SMP since then. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 14:29:21 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m501$blr@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In comp.sys.next.advocacy mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: : On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: : > The NextStep/OpenStep OS has [...] : > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. : > : Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz was only : available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. Mathematica 3.0 does run on NeXTSTEP/Intel, m68k and HPPA (at least, these were the versions on the demo-CD) -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:25:58 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32be8c9e.34691632@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961922160001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > >> Yes I did mean 3.5" drive and I did mean TRS-80. In fact it was a >> TRS-80 Model I. Using and getting it was simple. I bought one from a >> distributor along with a cable adapter and plugged it into my disk >> controller. > >Well, Apple never claimed to have 'invented' the 3.5 inch drive. > Check the archives, look through some old Bytes. It was said more than once. > >We certainly were the first machine to ship with one. > The point is that I had a choice. I and everyone else who had computers with standard disk controllers could use 3.5" drives IF we wanted to. Apple's decision to ship the MAC with their version of the drive meant that MAC users had no choice whatever. > >Buying one, one your own, and hooking it up, does not in any >way invalidate the invoation of deciding to take the risk of >converting to it. Now the whole industry uses them. > What risk? As I've pointed out, the 3.5" drive had been around for a while. Apple paid Sony to modify the drive in such a way that it could ONLY be used with MACs. Turned out the modified drive was far less realible than the idustry standard model but what the heck - when it crapped out there was (and still is) only one place to get. Apple could and did charge whatever they pleased which is really the point - isn't it. Real innovation would've meant dumping the IWM (it was long since time), using a real disk controller and industry standard drives. The whole industry (except Apple) was moving to the industry standard 3.5" drive anyway. Do you think the drive I bought was custom made for me?
From: svhst+@pitt.edu (Shawn Hernan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 14:43:29 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m5qh$27s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <AEE31CBA-327ED@207.158.11.69> <59lifi$gj3@larry.serv.phil.ruu.nl> In article <59lifi$gj3@larry.serv.phil.ruu.nl>, Freek Wiedijk <freek@phil.ruu.nl> wrote: >David: >No! Oh, no, please, no! Not the MacOS file system... no, please, >no! Well, give me the MacOS file system semantics, but just please good do a better job with performance and stability. Shawn
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:42:59 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > >> Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, >> color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the >> computer too. > > Snip > Steve Jobs had a 'famous' trip to Xerox where he became sold on the idea of GUI, etc. > Ah... some truth. >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. > Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. >We never invented the above, but we _absolutely_ have the right >to claim we brought GUI, mice, and laser printers to a large >mass market. In our first month of Mac sales we had more mouse >based/windowing machines in the field than the rest of the >planet combined. > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because we haven't seen the light. Oh well....
From: kafkouli@fiu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OCR info needed Date: 23 Dec 1996 14:58:25 GMT Organization: Florida International University Message-ID: <59m6mh$j2m@isis.fiu.edu> Hello Friends Which are the OCR programs for OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP? I would appreciate it, if some one points to a demo. Thanks Yorgos Kafkoulis
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 15:46:06 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m9fu$ccf@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <59m501$blr@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> In-Reply-To: <59m501$blr@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> On 12/23/96, Axel Habermann wrote: > In comp.sys.next.advocacy mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > : Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz was > : only available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. > > Mathematica 3.0 does run on NeXTSTEP/Intel, m68k and HPPA (at least, > these were the versions on the demo-CD) > My apologies -- I did look for it briefly in the bumf I was sent by Wolfram re 3.0, but I guess I was too brief. Wingz, though... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 17:50:32 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59mgp8$in@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. > > > Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2) which only means that you are not aware of 3.0 for NEXTSTEP which is out for some time now :-) Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: David Andel <david@nexttoyou.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 17:26:05 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU (http://www.nexttoyou.de) Message-ID: <59mfbd$62d@colossus.nexttoyou.de> References: <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: [...] > > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the > > Next OS. > > > Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz > was only available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. Sorry mmalcolm, but you're not only always forgetting to mention OneVision, the finest DTP package available :-), this time you've also missed the fact that Mathematica 3.0 *is* available for NEXTSTEP and has been released even before the OS/2 version. David Andel (NEXTTOYOU magazine) -- "...he said Captain, I said wot" (Captain Sensible)
From: yipadedoda@aol.com (Yipadedoda) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Is Jobs Really back? Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:25:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961223192400.OAA18672@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <slrn5bs3lu.4b.walker@lavalamp.mnscorp.com> I don't know if Steve Jobs is really back. I think he is happy to get NeXT off his back ( with debts of 50 million ). Jobs did say that he was still planning to work with Pixar AND PERSUE OTHER INTERESTS. I have a feeling he doesn't care much for the Operating System world any more and he has some ideas for the Internet. Heck, now that he's got the money, maybe he'll start yet another new Company and come out with a product that is again 10 years ahead of its time. I'm not saying that buying NeXT was a bas idea for Apple. I definately think Amelio and the rest of the apple gang know what they are doing. But I just don't think Apple bought Steve Jobs along with NeXT. I have this feeling he is working on THE NEXT BIG THING! Rishi
From: lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 15:26:21 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Distribution: inet Message-ID: <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just > sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because > we haven't seen the light. True. Also, the reason nine out and ten computer purchases are not Mac's is that Apple did not licence the operating system back in 1984. -- ____________________________________________________ Dave Lewis lewisda@tuns.ca www.tuns.ca/~lewisda ____________________________________________________
From: wonko@madness.tmok.com (Wonko the Sane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 23 Dec 96 20:16:24 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (401) 885-4243 Message-ID: <slrn5btqbh.idl.wonko@madness.tmok.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> <slrn5brb4s.g89.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BE7A9D.5A67@mol.biol.ethz.ch> On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:27:09 +0100, Reto Koradi <kor@mol.biol.ethz.ch> wrote: > >Well, if you want to express it this way. It's indeed quite a bit >cheaper than a serious SGI machine was before, but I find the >performance to be very impressive for the price level. hmm, i'll have to consider it, but i'd probably stick with an Indigo2 since they are very hard to beat as far as performance goes. >Indigo2 is a machine, Impact is a graphics system. All Impact >graphics systems are in an Indigo2. Do they still sell Indigo2s >with other graphics systems but Impact? Not sure about that, but >to a large degree, "Indigo2" and "Impact" are the same thing. not entirely true. there are Impact machines. they come in less cool looking than Indy/Indy2 boxes and don't have the "extras" like ISDN and so forth. they are significantly cheaper than an Indy2 machine with the same config. See UNIX Review (i can't remember what issue right now, i'll find it) for a look at the Impact machines. you can put Impact graphics in an Indy2 though, but not an Indy. >Certainly an R10000, maybe with less cache. well, that's not too bad then. :) -wonko
From: jnutting@mathcs.carleton.edu (Jack Nutting) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Looking for Mail.app substitute on Windows NT Date: 23 Dec 1996 20:23:44 GMT Organization: Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA Message-ID: <59mpog$1h2@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> I'm running NT 3.51 at work these days (still dual-booting NEXTSTEP for the time being, thank goodness) and I'm looking for a mail program that will run under NT and do the "right thing" with my NEXTSTEP mailboxes. Any suggestions? -- // Rev. Jack Nutting, Scientist // http://www.is.com/Users/jnutting -|- jnutting@is.com (MIME/NeXTMail) // "Nothing is more poignant than seeing a near monopoly like Microsoft // dumpster diving for a day old doughnut." - Andrew Stone
From: bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:48:52 GMT Organization: University of Regina, Dept. of Computer Science Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59mnn4$m1a@sue.cc.uregina.ca> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> In article <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219>, Andrew Carol <carol1@apple.com> wrote: >In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > ^^^^ >> years before his announcement. > > >3.5" floppy on a TRS-80? > >Are you sure you did not mean 5.25" floppy? > >I can assure you that the Mac was the first US machine to >ship with a 3.5" floppy drive. A drive which did not become >easily available until 1984 which is when Apple shipped it with >the original Mac. A company named Amdek (which also made cheap monochrome monitors for home computers) produced a 3" floppy for many home computers - TRS-80, C-64, Atari 800s. These were hard cartridges with a 312K 'flippy' disk (you had to manually turn the disk over to access the other 312K side), without the sliding door on 3.5" disks. They were quite popular on home computers for a while... -- John Bayko (Tau). bayko@cs.uregina.ca http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~bayko
From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:31:14 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Message-ID: <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? On 23 Dec 1996 06:09:28 GMT, Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> wrote: > Sell it, man! Quick! > Here, I'll help- 'NeXT and Apple suddenly lock together with serious >enthusiasm on both sides- a kernel that'll run NeXT already _exists_ (see >MkLinux info)- the designer largely responsible for the technological >superiority of NeXT is named as the one who will head the OS team... > Don't throw that NT box out the window! _Sell_ it quick. To somebody >that hasn't heard. Or someone who hasn't seen even a NeXT screenshot. Be >quick, the opportunity might vanish _real_ quick if I'm reading things >right. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming | From the database of the Furtune program: jgoerzen@complete.org | "It's the thought, if any, that counts."
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:37:27 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------136052D216B4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------136052D216B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 . -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | The NeXT Apple Page http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/next/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ --------------------------------------------------------- --------------136052D216B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="522A6368"; name="The Next Apple Page" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: BBEdit Lite 3.5 Document Content-Disposition: inline; filename="The Next Apple Page" [Next/Apple GIf] [Image] The Next Apple Page Advantages/Disidvantages Links Equivelant Programs Equivelant Technologies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: I need help, I have used the Macintosh since 2 weeks after it came out in 1984. I got to play with Next once. As you an tell there is alot of empty space all over this site. I need your help to fill it. If you have an addition or a correction. Most of the information I get is from newsgroups. Please e-mail me at runner12@ix.netcom.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday December 22, 1996 January 7, 1997 will be the big date for all of us. It will be the biggest MacWorld in history. Gil's got the ball, now it is time for him to run with it. In San Francisco he will announce Apple's OS strategy. It will hopefully be the day the Mac/Next fights back. According to Sunday's Mercury News, it was Next that called Apple. The marketing director at Next got the idea when he heard about Apple's dealings with Be. Knowing that he had a better product, and Steve's Jobs desire to bring Next to the mass's he called Apple. A lower level employee reffered him to Ellen Hancock. Within a day, Apple sent over some high level engineers, and executives to Next. While in this meeting Steve Jobs calls on routine business matters from Pixar. He is told about Apple, and says that he called Apple too. Apparently this all happened around Thanksgiving time. From then on Apple met almost every day with Next. They were apparently extremely thorough on the details of how this was all going to take place. Apparently Apple was impressed when they saw a Next OS running five movies at once. Guy Kawasaki the ultimate in Macintosh evangelism predicted this in 1994. Well sorta, it was one of his fantasies: http://www.macworld.com/pages/november.94/Column.991.html . I got the following from the NextAnswers section of the Next Site. I thought it gave a preety good overview of the NextStep OS: "NEXTSTEP provides the premier platform for the development and deployment of object-oriented mission critical custom applications. NeXT is the only company to provide a completely integrated object-oriented client/server computing environment for enterprise-wide software development and deployment. Its environment, NEXTSTEP is the premier system for developing and deploying custom client/server business applications and integrating them with advanced productivity software throughout a heterogeneous network. NEXTSTEP provides cross-platform integration, superior ease of use, and the robustness needed for handling mission-critical applications globally. Fully object-oriented operating environments appeal strongly to programmers, systems administrators, and users. For systems administrators, objects reduce maintenance time and costs. At the system level, objects enable programmers to rapidly reuse and customize core business components. At the application level, users will find feature and interface consistency across applications. NEXTSTEP is based on the industry-standard Berkeley UNIX operating system and the Mach system kernel. NEXTSTEP integrates seamlessly with the most popular local and wide area networks including NFS and Novell and also accesses Macintosh and MS-DOS filesystems. Users with no training in networks or file systems can easily navigate networks and share information using Workspace Manager a powerful and easy-to-use file management application. NEXTSTEP includes the class libraries needed to use custom software developed with NeXT's NEXTSTEP Developer product. When it's coupled with the Enterprise Objects Framework, users can benefit from object persistence in relational database applications." NEXTSTEP also bundles powerful user and system management applications. These include NeXTmail a multimedia electronic mail system; FaxReader for viewing faxes; Digital Librarian a powerful full-text searching tool; Edit, a multifont text editor; and NetInfo a tool for administering network resources. " On the subject of Steve Jobs. He is going to be a part time technical advisor to Amelio. Next users always fault Job's management style, and Next's overall style of running a company. I don't think Job's will have much of a say in this one. What he will bring and have is his undying devotion to quality. One of the things that makes Next so stable is that, the NextStep OS, is Steve Jobs baby. It is a quality OS, and most of all stable. Gil Amelio is strong, and will not back down to pressure from anyone or anything. Steve Jobs will have influence, but Gil is in control. As for the Mach Kernel in the Next OS being out of date. Do you guys really think that Apple is going to sit still. To quote Amelio, "This will allow us to innovate for the next ten years, and give the copycats something to copy." If the Next Community is going too merge with the Apple community then you need to start reading up on it. Apple sponsors a number of mailing lists that are wonderful. You can give feedback there, and the top levels of Apple listen. As far as merging the OS, alot of people speculate that Windows NT was based on VMS. Some say less, some say more with Windows NT and VMS. The idea of merging the OS is not that far out. The Copland microkernel is supposedly done, and preety good. It will be up to Apple to decide what to keep, and what not too. Developers fear not, Heidi Roezen (Sorry I probably crucified the spelling of her name.) is on board as head of developer relations. She is one smart cookie. People call her the canary in the coal mine. If she leaves then were all in trouble. Check out http://devworld.apple.com/ for more info. She ran T-Maker at the time it was producing WriteNow. WriteNow had the same close connection to NeXT that MacWrite enjoyed with the Mac -- in fact, for a long time WN was part of the NeXT's software bundle. To quote a MacUser Article at http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/myslewski12.html, the Mach Kernel is : "a fast, mature, and reliable UNIX kernel that supports symmetric multiprocessing, preemptive multitasking, and other "modern OS" features. NeXTStep's Display PostScript architecture could make it ideal for the Mac's core users, the publishing community." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Apple has: Disadvantages: * A strong 26 million user base, with strong markets in multimedia. * Apple has established technologies like Quicktime. * Good market share in Education, publishing, and small business. * Apples current OS, is buggy, * Development strengths again lay in and relatively unstable. content development, and multimedia. * Much more stable then * Future PPCP platform will free many Windows 95, but not as stable companies to make clones, free's as Windows NT, or UNIX. companies form relying on proprietary ------------------------------- ASIC's. * Power PC Chips are at close to 600 MHZ, at the moment. * $50 million in assumed debt from Next, makes a nice tax write off. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Next has: Disadvantages: * A small but loyal following of users. * Designed as a Mission critical OS. This means that it was designed not to go down, period. * Multitasking * Still some command line unix laying * Multithreaded. around, Apple has vowed to clean that * Memory Protected: All tasks up. are done in protected memorey. * Kernel needs updating, the Kernel is * SMP basically a sort of Mach 2.5, and it * Network-Ready needs to be updated to 3.0, and the * Object-Oriented Application Berkely part to BSD 4.4. The Kernel is Model a combination of the two. * WebObjects * Not a real time operating system. * Client Server/Based This means that when commands are * Portable API entered they are not immediatley * Excellent UI, possibly a carried out. UNIX, Be OS, and DOS are little to much for some not real time operating systems. The though. current Mac OS is. Mach Kernel 3.0 is * Penetration in Markets such a real time microkernel. as Enterprise, Services, and --------------------------------------- Infrastructure. These are markets that Apple would like to penetrate. * Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- runner12@ix.netcom.com --------------136052D216B4--
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:24:29 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <32BF069B.4EEA@earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Goerzen wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? I use BOTH!
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 23:18:43 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > you using Macs? Because they didn't want to mortgage the house to buy a copy! -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.01bbf128$95523840$3acd64ce@skynet> Control: cancel <01bbf128$95523840$3acd64ce@skynet> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bbf128$95523840$3acd64ce@skynet> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:32:34 GMT Sender: "Zvonimir Molan" <zvonimir.molan@kr.tel.hr> ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:50:28 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf1556.69696319@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) wrote: >togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >> we haven't seen the light. > >True. Also, the reason nine out and ten computer purchases are not Mac's is >that Apple did not licence the operating system back in 1984. > > Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I'd like to have had the choice. The catch is that if Apple had licensed the OS they would also have had to license those parts of the MAC hardware that made it impossible (well unreasonable) to run the MAC OS on other platforms. That would have resulted in competition and brought an end to $200 diskette drives and $500 motherboards. Certainly not the Apple way. Apple has shot iself in the foot so many times, it's truely a wonder there's any foot left. Other companies, making far fewer mistakes, have simply disappeared. The much better than a MAC Amiga is a classic example. All is not lost though. I can run Linux, WIN95, WINNT, DOS, OS/2, FreeBSD and more - all on the same box. If the MAC OS was in this group, I'd probably give it a try. It isn't (not MY choice) and I'm not about to buy a PowerPC just to try it out. Why should I?
From: peace@on.earth.com (Rodney) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:08:17 GMT Organization: Internet Services Provider Network Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf1e69.7543909@news.cfa.org> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <01bbefd7$82ae78e0$f64fb7ce@interaccess> <32bdd6d8.30481843@news.sover.net> On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 01:05:35 GMT, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: >>What I can't understand is people like you think that companies that charge >>for software/hardware are the most evil thing on the planet. Why? Also, >>what is wrong with being in the business of writing software to sell? >> >>Is it maybe because you are hack programmers who can't get a real job or >>are so uncreative and you're jealous because someone else thought up a >>concept for software and you didn't, or what? I really would like to know! >> >>Here's a clue, every software manufacturer that sells/develops software is >>in it for the money. Wow, what a revelation! >> >Daaaa.... >And what I can't understand is why people like you don't READ posts >BEFORE replying. If you'd taken the time to READ my post you would >have noiced that I said "Apple's in it for the bucks just like MS and >the rest." Notice the "JUST LIKE MS AND THE REST" part? It means just >like MS and the rest. If you READ my post you'll also notice that I >didn't say anything about evil or planet or writing software. I also >didn't attack anyones programming or job skills. What you really NEED >to know as opposed to what you'd LIKE to know is how to use usenet >newsgroups. > >Here's a clue for you: Buzzzz off. Geee.... Can't we just all get along ??...
From: Zachery Joseph Bir <zbir@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Can you anti-alias the display fonts in NS 3.3? Date: 22 Dec 1996 11:31:52 -0500 Organization: Very little Message-ID: <mbtengipmkn.fsf@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> Any software that does this? It's one of the few features I really like about Win95. Thanks, Zac -- Zachery J. Bir - zbir@indiana.edu http://seven.ucs.indiana.edu/~zbir/index.html
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:56:19 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > If you paid attention to any of the multitude of posts in this group, you would find out that NeXT products cost a fortune. J.
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: VIRUS ALERT Date: Tue, 24 Dec 96 01:21:04 GMT Organization: RHAHMM Message-ID: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM Subject: Virus Alert Importance: High If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL GREETINGS! ; please delete it WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of the message, and what it would do to your PC if you were to read the message. This is a warning for all internet users - there is a dangerous virus propagating across the internet through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present in your mailbox! This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks worldwide!!!! Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETING!' as soon as you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends and relatives, and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! --------- End forwarded message ----------
From: antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WTB: Mesa Date: 24 Dec 1996 01:56:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961224015500.UAA26973@ladder01.news.aol.com> Interested in Mesa for the black platform (on the cheap)
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Robert Rodgers) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:46:30 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: >In article <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >(John Goerzen) wrote: >> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such >> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? That which Apple does is good, thus now that NeXT is blessed by Apple, NeXT is good. Two years ago, Mac users were lambasting Win3.1 and Win95 for having a DOS command line (e.g., the prompt window), thus having "two seperate interfaces", which Apple said was bad, Tog said was bad, so it was Bad by the Gospel. (I agree that multiple UIs are bad, as epitomized by the worst case, OS/2+WinOS2, and onion skin style interfaces *may* be good or bad). But ever since Apple started talking about their UI manager, multiple interfaces has been "good" (but only Apple ones). It's bizarre behavior, but nothing new. >If you paid attention to any of the multitude of posts in this group, you >would find out that NeXT products cost a fortune. The main problem was the seat cost for the applications you could produce with NS/developer. It remains to be seen what Apple will charge. rsr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - words were just sounds -- genes made them bludgeons
From: Tom <Tomztall@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:56:57 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want to publish drawings on your web site (and you have AutoCAD 13), look into the internet publishing kit. It converts .dwg to dwf that is viewable with the Whip plug-in (also available from Autodesk).
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 02:24:46 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59nete$p@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > you using Macs? Well, *I* can answer that! Even as a NeXTSTEP aficionado... NeXTSTEP is and has always been too expensive for the home market. Why? Because NeXTSTEP sells to too few people, so the price has to be high to recoup the development costs. And of course, the reason it sells to too few people is that so many people can not afford the high price. Given the kind of sales figures that Apple has, the price of deploying NeXTSTEP is going to go way way down. This makes many people much happier with it. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 23 Dec 1996 22:16:24 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <59nhu8$1vd@rac10.wam.umd.edu> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> lovely, another pointless scare. and the best thing is look where this is cross posted to, all the groups where the people actually know something, mostly unix groups, uh yeah, I'm not root on the unix pc I am telnetting into from the machine I am not root on, which I called into from home, yeah, right format hard drive, whatever, pretty amazing to work with all email programs to find your address list. Sorry to crosspost response like this, but these are just silly. bbq In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, Little John <jmh@intrepid.net> wrote: >Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > >Subject: Virus Alert >Importance: High > >If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >GREETINGS! ; please delete it >WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of >the message, and what it would do to your PC if you >were to read the message. > >This is a warning for all internet users - there is a >dangerous virus propagating across the internet >through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL >GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY >MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." > >This message appears to be a friendly letter asking >you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time >you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" >virus will have already infected the boot sector of your >hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a >self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it >will >AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's >e-mail address is present in >your mailbox! > >This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds >the potential to >DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in >your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. >If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to >do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks >worldwide!!!! > >Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL >GREETING!' as soon as you see it! >And pass this message along to all of your friends >and relatives, and the other readers of the >newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so >that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! >--------- End forwarded message ---------- >
From: John Szumowski <harpo@javanet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:33:16 -0500 Organization: JavaNet Cafe, Northampton, Massachusetts Message-ID: <32BF4EFC.27AB@javanet.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Little John wrote: > > Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded > Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > > Subject: Virus Alert > Importance: High > > If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL > GREETINGS! ; please delete it > WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of > the message, and what it would do to your PC if you > were to read the message. > > This is a warning for all internet users - there is a > dangerous virus propagating across the internet > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL > GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY > MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking > you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time > you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" > virus will have already infected the boot sector of your > hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a > self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it > will > AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's > e-mail address is present in > your mailbox! bullshit. > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds > the potential to > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in > your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. > If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to > do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks > worldwide!!!! > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL > GREETING!' as soon as you see it! > And pass this message along to all of your friends > and relatives, and the other readers of the > newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so > that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! > --------- End forwarded message ---------- this may be a naive question, but how could just *downloading* a file cause trouble? it seems like, for most viri that i've heard of, they have to be executed...this whole post sounds bogus to me. -- =-------------------------------------------------------------------= ((___)) John Szumowski - harpo@javanet.com ((___)) [ x x ] =---------------------------------------------------= [ x x ] \ / The Internet, of course, is more than just a place \ / (' ') to find pictures of people having sex with dogs. (' ') (U) --Time Magazine, 3 July 1995 (U) =-------------------------------------------------------------------=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) Subject: music writing programs? Message-ID: <E2wEso.Anu@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: The University of Chicago Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 03:24:23 GMT hi. i'm a recent nextstep migrant, and although i used cakewalk in win95, i would like to use whatever is available in the freeware or shareware world for writing music on my nextstation '030 with n.s. 3.3 on it. i usually have no more than 14 staffs going at one time, and i don't neccessarily need to hear what i'm writing, long as i can input it with my mouse. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, bryce -- ()-() Bryce B. Sady NeXT mail Welcome (o o) http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/bbsady /\o/\
From: JOSE_M@internetMCI.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 24 Dec 1996 03:55:51 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Message-ID: <59nk87$a7o@news.internetmci.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That message don't make any since.....<scratching head> all e-mail is text only... how can you hide a binary file in ascii format??? you can't unless that tag a file with a text and then you have to run i manualy...... anyway... even if that's the case... I have a bios that tell's me if a program is trying to access my boot secter... and stops it if i conferm to stop it.
From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:43:35 -0800 Message-ID: <14361E4F8054D01184F400A0C90C2BD90331FC@PREVIEW> Sender: Zvonimir Molan <zvonimir.molan@kr.tel.hr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,control Control: cancel <01bbf128$95523840$3acd64ce@skynet> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bbf128$95523840$3acd64ce@skynet> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
From: mtm@insync.net (Michael Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Tue, 24 Dec 96 04:41:54 GMT Organization: Insync Internet Services Message-ID: <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run it. Someday these people will learn.... In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > >Subject: Virus Alert >Importance: High > >If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >GREETINGS! ; please delete it >WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of >the message, and what it would do to your PC if you >were to read the message. > >This is a warning for all internet users - there is a >dangerous virus propagating across the internet >through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL >GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY >MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." > >This message appears to be a friendly letter asking >you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time >you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" >virus will have already infected the boot sector of your >hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a >self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it >will >AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's >e-mail address is present in >your mailbox! > >This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds >the potential to >DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in >your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. >If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to >do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks >worldwide!!!! > >Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL >GREETING!' as soon as you see it! >And pass this message along to all of your friends >and relatives, and the other readers of the >newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so >that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! >--------- End forwarded message ---------- >
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Control: cancel <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Date: 24 Dec 1996 04:54:27 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Message-ID: <59nnm3$2u6@news3.texas.net> cancel
From: happy2@home.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:16:41 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf2e3b.26976894@snews2.zippo.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <carol1-2212960848560001@17.219.103.194> Okay, I'll withhold jumping the gun and wait to see what shakes out(can't really do much else except move to BE OS >g):) By the way, here's the email i received from NeXT: >Dear NeXT Customer, >As you know by now NeXT has merged with Apple Computer. This is >truly an historic event and will have lasting benefits. As a current >NeXT customer you will continue to be fully supported. NeXT will >continue to sell and support all of our existing products, and we >will continue to offer cross-platform support. The entire NeXT field >Sales and Services organization will be kept together and will be >part of Apple's strengthened enterprise focus. The NeXT Sales >organization will be the focal point for leading Apple into the >enterprise, the internet/intranet, and for delivering solutions for a >more open Apple, including cross-platform support for Microsoft and >Unix. I will continue to be responsible for all of NeXT's current >customers, and our sales and services strategy. This organization, >of course, will now be Apple's focal point into enterprise sales. >This merger, described in the press release below, increases the >market acceptance for the technology which you have invested in. I >believe that Apple, NeXT, our joint customers, and the Computer >Industry all benefit from this strategic relationship. The following >briefly lists the five key reasons for this merger: >*PROOF OF NEW OPEN APPLE >Embracing outside technology and cross platform industry standards, >Apple believes it can innovate in the key areas that give its >products and technology differentiation. NeXT's cross-platform >development environments in the enterprise and Internet/intranet #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bctel.net!news@bctel.net From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT Organization: BCOG Lines: 12 Message-ID: <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: client1.pacificplace.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.os.linux.advocacy:85955 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:145860 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:171404 comp.unix.advocacy:34575 comp.sys.next.software:26718 comp.sys.next.misc:23725 comp.sys.next.advocacy:46352 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:2535 rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Robert Rodgers) wrote: >jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: >>In article <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >>(John Goerzen) wrote: >>> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such >>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 03:48:01 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Cc: togar@msn.com In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > >> years before his announcement. > > > >Are you joking? Or insane? > > Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong > and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed > by Apple. You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) So we learn you're a harware wizard!!!!! > > >The Macintosh was the first computer ever to use 3.5" floppy drive in january > >1984! > > Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, > color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the > computer too. Easy! > > >Maybe you started using it on TRS80 in 1990... And have a weak memory... > > > Well, maybe. When are you going to buy a computer? > >-- Ah! Ah! Ah! -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
From: David J Harr <wirehead@datadepot.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:27:13 -0800 Organization: Network Intensive Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Goerzen wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are >such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > > On 23 Dec 1996 06:09:28 GMT, Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> wrote: > > Sell it, man! Quick! > > Here, I'll help- 'NeXT and Apple suddenly lock together with > >serious enthusiasm on both sides- a kernel that'll run NeXT already > >_exists_ (see MkLinux info)- the designer largely responsible for the > >technological superiority of NeXT is named as the one who will head > >the OS team... > > Don't throw that NT box out the window! _Sell_ it quick. To > >somebody that hasn't heard. Or someone who hasn't seen even a NeXT > >screenshot. Be quick, the opportunity might vanish _real_ quick if > >I'm reading things right. > > -- > John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) > Custom Programming | From the database of the Furtune program: > jgoerzen@complete.org | "It's the thought, if any, that counts." I've always felt the NeXT was a technologically superior platform with the hottest UI around. My friends will tell you what a bore I have been over the years complaining about the lack of decent development tools on the Mac like that which are available on NeXT. _BUT_ the reality is that I make my money contract programming video games, and there has never been a single company that ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to NeXT done. It was a nonexistent market. I also don't have enough extra money lying around to be able to afford hardware just for the sake of having cool hardware, otherwise I'd buy a 200 MHz PPro and put NEXTSTEP on it. I spend too much money already just trying to keep ahead of the technological curve of Mac products. Since I don't do Windows, I have never had a need for any Intel hardware, therefore, I was never able to run NeXT. So, I use a Mac. Does that mean I am insensitive to the superiority of NeXT? No. But, I could nit justify the economics of owning a NeXT box on pure philosophical grounds. If I had that much money lyi#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!newshub.tc.umn.edu!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!pith.uoregon.edu!xmission!news From: bigpixel@xmission.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 16:38:40 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 56 Message-ID: <32C0697A.1CCE@xmission.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> <slrn5brb4s.g89.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BE7A9D.5A67@mol.biol.ethz.ch> <slrn5btqbh.idl.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BF901B.66BF@mol.biol.ethz.ch> <32C00B08.67A5@xmission.com> <slrn5c0crc.jod.wonko@madness.tmok.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc18.modem.xmission.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: Wonko the Sane <wonko@madness.tmok.com> Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:26758 comp.sys.sun.hardware:43136 comp.sys.sgi.graphics:17995 comp.sys.mac.graphics:44353 Wonko the Sane wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:55:42 -0700, bigpixel@xmission.com <bigpixel@xmission.com> wrote: > > > >I believe theat's right. Far as I know there is no such thing as an > >Indy2, the current desktop lineup consists of 02 and Indigo2, with > > yea, i'm too lazy for my own good. whenever i typed Indy2 i actually meant > Indigo2, but was too lazy to type it out. i'm going to have to stop doing > that as it seems to create some confusion. > >Impact being the graphics subsystem for the Indigo2's. Impact comes in > >three flavors; Solid, High, and Maximum. It's a board set that installs > >in the Indigo2 case and can be swapped or upgraded. > > ok, can somebody explain this to me? what is the difference between that > snazzy looking pizzabox case and the less cool looking taller desktop cage? The pizza box is too small to hold the graphics boards or house a power supply with sufficient umph to power them, hence the larger Indigo2 box. Believe it or not, that large Indigo2 box is crammed full and weighs close to 40 lbs as a result. > >As far as performance goes, the Indigo2 line is no slouch but that > >performance comes at a price and having to buy separate TRAM is a big > >drag. For the price the O2 delivers alot of performance and the memory > >bus architecture leaves me envious (I work on a Indigo2 High Impact and > >wouldn't trade it for anything, but I wouldn't mind that bus stucture!) > what os so fancy about the O2's memory bus arch? i have a lousy connection > with no web abilities right now, so i can't really look this stuff up. > the Indigo2 uses that really fast bar-bus design, what does the O2 use > and what speeds/latency does it boast? Without going into all of the details, the Indigo2 memory bus can handle 254M/second data transfer rates, while the O2 handles *2.1 gigs/sec* (!). Since there is so much room, there is no need for a separate TRAM (texture RAM) bus and texturing is handled by the normally installed system RAM, for one. Second, because of the bandwidth the O2 can handle inputting 2 real-time video streams while outputting 1 other and still have room to spare. If you want the actual tech lowdown I'm sorry to take the coward's way out and refer you to SGI's site. As a sidenote, I'm certain the next generation Indigo2's will boast the same shared memory structure which should make them capable of some truely serious damage! Stay tuned... > thanks for the info. > > -wonko You're welcome. Rob
From: planet@xmission.xmission.com (planetary) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 16:30:01 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59pp1p$ce3@xmission.xmission.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote: : Linux $0 .... PERIOD. And it's worth every penny. =) ..................kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contains freshness saver packet. DO NOT EAT.
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: > >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > > > >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... > > > >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 > > And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't > you? > > BTW, just for comparison: > > Linux $0 .... PERIOD. Which neatly contradicts your earlier post where you cited to pay versions of Linux. J.
From: Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:59:20 -0800 Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance Togar wrote: > > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > >> years before his announcement. > > > >Are you joking? Or insane? > > Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong > and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed > by Apple. > > >The Macintosh was the first computer ever to use 3.5" floppy drive in january > >1984! > > Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, > color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the > computer too. > > >Maybe you started using it on TRS80 in 1990... And have a weak memory... > > > Well, maybe. When are you going to buy a computer? > >-- -------------------------------------------- If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the technology for the Macintosh, and MIT developed X-Windows GUI interface consept. When the present head of the PARC unit found about all of the developments that weren't patented, he nearly had a coronary!!! The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer consumer. Respectfully: Jeffery Hugh Kavanaugh
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:31:42 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> Richard Fleming <rhflem@bhip.infi.net> wrote: >Lance Togar wrote: >> > >> > >> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >> we haven't seen the light. >> >> Oh well.... > >Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a >higher life form! Oh Well... Ok, lets see. They've been on the planet a LOT longer than we have. They take good care of their young - all of 'em. They spend very little time killing each other. They've survived ALL of our high tech attempts at extermination. Sounds like a success story to me and to someone on the outside looking in, it might very well appear that THEY have the upper hand. Doesn't sound like you're in much of a position to judge life forms so... it's back to computers. Oh, well....
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:34:27 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c0bc77.57496958@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: SNIP >> >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) >> >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) >> > >> So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is >> it I'm not surprised? > >Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time to propagate? > >J. I do. But it seemed like the right comment given the circumstances.
From: lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 02:19:50 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Distribution: inet Message-ID: <lewisda-ya023080002512960219500001@news.dal.ca> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rhflem@bhip.infi.net wrote: > Lance Togar wrote: > > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a > higher life form! Oh Well... Are you comparing Lance to a Cockroach? Be careful, high praise like that might go to his head. -- ____________________________________________________ Dave Lewis lewisda@tuns.ca www.tuns.ca/~lewisda ____________________________________________________
From: blukefah@ix.netcom.com (Bill) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:20:00 -0800 Organization: Bill Distribution: inet Message-ID: <blukefah-2512960120000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c0d8g.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5c0d8g.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > Macs are not exactly cheap either. They may be cheaper than you think... I just got a PowerBase 180 from Power Computing for $1500 nicley outfitted. (Plug-n-play everything, SCSI, 24bit color, keyboard, mouse, CD-ROM, etc.) According to Byte Mag, a PPC 603ev is sustantially faster than a Pentium at the same clock speed when both are running WinNT. This would be true with a NeXT/Mac OS as well (unlike System 7). Not too shabby.
From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 09:57:22 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Message-ID: <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> How is this a contradiction? There are commercial Linux distributions availabe and there are free Linux distributions available. But Linux itself is always free. On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500, Jason S. <jhsterne@earthlink.net> wrote: >In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >(John Goerzen) wrote: > >> On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: >> >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >> > >> >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... >> > >> >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 >> >> And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't >> you? >> >> BTW, just for comparison: >> >> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. > >Which neatly contradicts your earlier post where you cited to pay versions >of Linux. > >J. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming | jgoerzen@complete.org | Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
From: robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MacStep: Can I run Mac Apps on my Cube ? Date: 25 Dec 1996 15:50:47 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <59rign$d3g@boursy.news.erols.com> In the ongoing spirit of unfounded speculation about the "NeXt generation Mac OS," I wonder: a) Will the new Mac OS run on my Cube? b) Will my cube now run PhotoShop, Claris CAD, NetScape, Eudora, and the 1000's of other groovy (and inexpensive) Mac Apps ? c) Should I be trying to sell my DayDream box or buying stock in QUIX ? Happy holidays to all Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu
From: scollarw@cadvision.com (guzzibill) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 18:39:28 GMT Organization: CADVision Development Corp. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> In-Reply-To: <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> On 12/24/96, John Goerzen composed a News article about Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!: ~>> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: ~>> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac ~>> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are ~>> > you using Macs? They've been converted by all the NeXT advocates bombarding their mac newsgroups in the last 5 days! -- Bill Scollard - Scollard Holdings Ltd. Computer Systems : Cradle-to-Grave Calgary, Alberta, Canada
From: blanche@rmi.net (Blanche Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: €MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 25 Dec 1996 21:51:15 GMT Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Message-ID: <59s7kj$rb2@rainbow.rmii.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <steveax-ya023680002012962340450001@news.teleport.com> <lance-ya023180002112960858290001@news.psnw.com> Lance Scott <lance@psnw.com> wrote: >http://www.next.com/Merger/MergerRelease.html >It's official...!! So - does this mean that Apple gets Pixar, too? -- Unsolicited Email of a commercial nature delivered to this address is subject to a $500 charge. Emailing such items, whether automatically or manually, constitutes acceptance of and agreement to this charge. For more info: http://rainbow.rmii.com/~blanche/email.html
From: rwcrosby@buffnet.net (Rik Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 25 Dec 1996 22:02:06 GMT Organization: BuffNET Message-ID: <59s88u$63f@buffnet2.buffnet.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Ya know, if I remember correctly, thi seems to be the EXACT same warning that was floating around with Good Times. In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... > >What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't >contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run >it. Someday these people will learn.... > >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM >> >>Subject: Virus Alert >>Importance: High >> >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >>GREETINGS! ; please delete it >>WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of >>the message, and what it would do to your PC if you >>were to read the message. >> >>This is a warning for all internet users - there is a >>dangerous virus propagating across the internet >>through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL >>GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY >>MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." >> >>This message appears to be a friendly letter asking >>you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time >>you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" >>virus will have already infected the boot sector of your >>hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a >>self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it >>will >>AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's >>e-mail address is present in >>your mailbox! >> >>This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds >>the potential to >>DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in >>your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. >>If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to >>do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks >>worldwide!!!! >> >>Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL >>GREETING!' as soon as you see it! >>And pass this message along to all of your friends >>and relatives, and the other readers of the >>newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so >>that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! >>--------- End forwarded message ---------- >> -- __ _ _ _ | \| | | | | From the desk of the NiteWing | |\ | |/\| | Richard W. Crosby | http://www.buffnet.net/~rwcrosby/ |_| \_|__/\__| rwcrosby@buffnet.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: music writing programs? Message-ID: <E2zD1v.9DJ@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <E2wEso.Anu@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 17:39:31 GMT In article <E2wEso.Anu@midway.uchicago.edu> bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) writes: > hi. i'm a recent nextstep migrant, and although i used cakewalk > in win95, i would like to use whatever is available in the freeware > or shareware world for writing music on my nextstation '030 with > n.s. 3.3 on it. i usually have no more than 14 staffs going at > one time, and i don't neccessarily need to hear what i'm writing, > long as i can input it with my mouse. > Try Calliope.app; I find it amazing, and I think you'll love it, too. The downside: it only resides on a single FTP server in Camebridge, UK, from which nobody ever seems to have got more than 1/4 kilobytes per second. You can contact the author, William Clocksin, at <WFC@cl.cam.ac.uk>. Or browse the corresponding FTP server somewhere under users/wfc/... Unfortunately, the app is about 10 megs in compressed form with tutorial and demos. I only managed once in a dozen times to pull it off successfully. And, oh yeah, you need the Sonata PostScript font beforehand. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 13:32:09 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf267$e36dd580$79c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> Alex <achaney@voicenet.com> wrote in article <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com>... > > > > > > > Rick McDaniel <rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote in article > > <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>... > > > The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much > > > better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at > > > 200 - 300 Mhz. > > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of > > the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows > > NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. > > . Yeah, you could also buy a Cray. I thought we were talking about personal computers?
From: paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 24 Dec 1996 14:43:59 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59oq7f$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> In <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> Michel Coste wrote: > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to > > see it. > > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > world without being under Unix. It is so true :-). You can set up mail from the GUI alone (on a good day); and there are GUI tools to configure PPP. You still need to do too much editting of text configuration files, but no Unix hacking is required. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 14:41:43 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> In <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> David J Harr wrote: > _BUT_ the reality is that > I make my money contract programming video games, and there has never > been a single company that ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to > NeXT done. Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on NeXTSTEP. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 19:45:19 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002512961945190001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500, Jason S. <jhsterne@earthlink.net> wrote: > >In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org > >(John Goerzen) wrote: > > > >> On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: > >> >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > >> > > >> >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... > >> > > >> >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 > >> > >> And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't > >> you? > >> > >> BTW, just for comparison: > >> > >> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. > > > >Which neatly contradicts your earlier post where you cited to pay versions > >of Linux. > How is this a contradiction? There are commercial Linux distributions > availabe and there are free Linux distributions available. But Linux itself > is always free. > John, AFAIK, commercial = you pay for the product. That is not free. That some versions of Linux are free does not make all versions of Linux free, anymore than the fact that Apple gives away all MacOS versions prior to 7.1 makes all versions of the MacOS free. "Linux $0 .... PERIOD" -- John Goerzen I read this to mean that _all_ versions of Linux are free. This indeed contradicts your post pointing out that there are "pay" versions of Linux. J.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 26 Dec 1996 02:07:41 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > In <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> David J Harr wrote: > > _BUT_ the reality is that I make my money contract programming > > video games, and there has never been a single company that > > ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to NeXT done. > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on > NeXTSTEP. Id software were the guys who developed _DOOM_ using NeXTSTEP, right? What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: wonko@madness.tmok.com (Wonko the Sane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 26 Dec 96 03:21:03 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (401) 885-4243 Message-ID: <slrn5c3s05.189.wonko@madness.tmok.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> <slrn5brb4s.g89.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BE7A9D.5A67@mol.biol.ethz.ch> <slrn5btqbh.idl.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BF901B.66BF@mol.biol.ethz.ch> <32C00B08.67A5@xmission.com> <slrn5c0crc.jod.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32C0697A.1CCE@xmission.com> On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 16:38:40 -0700, bigpixel@xmission.com <bigpixel@xmission.com> wrote: > >The pizza box is too small to hold the graphics boards or house a power >supply with sufficient umph to power them, hence the larger Indigo2 damn, so the only way to get that snazzy looking case is to buy an INDY. *sigh* *THAT* won't make my wife happy, even more computer shit in this house. :) >box. Believe it or not, that large Indigo2 box is crammed full and >weighs close to 40 lbs as a result. hmm, friend of mine has a Sparc1 that weighs more than that. of course it has Tempest shielding. :) wow, 40lbs of computer hardware. i'd call that pretty impresive. ;) >Without going into all of the details, the Indigo2 memory bus can handle >254M/second data transfer rates, while the O2 handles *2.1 gigs/sec* >(!). Since there is so much room, there is no need for a separate TRAM >(texture RAM) bus and texturing is handled by the normally installed >system RAM, for one. Second, because of the bandwidth the O2 can handle >inputting 2 real-time video streams while outputting 1 other and still >have room to spare. If you want the actual tech lowdown I'm sorry to >take the coward's way out and refer you to SGI's site. As a sidenote, >I'm certain the next generation Indigo2's will boast the same shared >memory structure which should make them capable of some truely serious >damage! Stay tuned... I CAN"T WAIT!!!!! :) thanks for the info, and as soon as i have web abilities back, i'll be checking out their site. maybe i'll just bite the bullet and get an Onxy. (wallet says "OUCH!") >You're welcome. that's what we're here for right? :) -wonko
From: GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: serial driver for Deskjet? Date: 26 Dec 1996 03:42:15 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <59ss6n$5o1@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> References: <599tfe$jmn@news.tamu.edu> Stephen Johnson (stephen@ccc1.tamu.edu) wrote: : Is there a serial driver to print to a Deskjet 500 from black : hardware? Yes, there is one on the archives. It's called something like djf30.tar.gz. Don't remember the exact name, but I do remember it worked perfect on my NeXTstation - Deskjet 500 combination. Only a bit slow. Willem
From: antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help PPP (Is there an alternative) #################################################################### From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 01:41:21 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf396$ea1af5e0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com> guzzibill <scollarw@cadvision.com> wrote in article <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com>... > On 12/24/96, John Goerzen composed a News article about Re: Macintosh, > Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!: > ~>> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > ~>> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > ~>> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > ~>> > you using Macs? > > They've been converted by all the NeXT advocates bombarding their mac > newsgroups in the last 5 days! I've always like NeXT as an operating system. But NeXT as a platform -- the OS, the hardware, and the application support is what I didn't have any use for. Now that NeXT will run on Mac hardware and gain Mac developer support. NeXT will be the perfect platform.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 06:46:23 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59vrbv$j73@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: >In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >(John Goerzen) wrote: > >> On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: >> >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >> > >> >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... >> > >> >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 >> >> And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't >> you? >> >> BTW, just for comparison: >> >> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. and what do you get bundled with that? At least Next comes with a host a very useful apps and developers tools. Anyway...this is a Next user group.......
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 07:01:21 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: >In article <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > >> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: >> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac >> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are >> > you using Macs? >> >Simple, no software support. NeXt machines are much more expensive. > >-- >Rick McDaniel Software? I have word processing, spread sheet, drawing apps, Web Browser. Data Base, Imaging, Scanning, Developer, and tons of utilities. Next machines more expensive? Next runs on Intel...the same price you would pay for a machine running Win95....you all don't need 128meg of RAM, 200PPRO, wide SCSI, 21" monitor. A simple pentium 100 with IDE works fine....even with a 14" el cheapo monitor!
From: me@mysolution.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 08:25:32 GMT Organization: Internet Solutions Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> In article <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net>, <Scott> wrote: > >Next machines more expensive? Next runs on Intel...the same price you would >pay for a machine running Win95....you all don't need 128meg of RAM, 200PPRO, >wide SCSI, 21" monitor. A simple pentium 100 with IDE works fine....even >with a 14" el cheapo monitor! You are forgetting one very important part... NeXT, being an UNIX based OS, an development platform would be essential (I have it and I can tell you it saved me more than once!). So, now lets add the Operating System softwares... I believe that the OS itself is about $1000 and the development platform is a few thousands of dollars. Note that I am working on NeXTStep 3.3 prices. I have not tried 4.1 yet. So, yes, the HW may be cheap, but the software is Operating System itself is not. If you are an student, then you can get both the OS and develpment platform for $400 I believe. Lets take 2 examples: I am going by an ad I saw in a mail-order catalog for a Compaq Pentium machine for $599, and I'll assume that I am cheap and went to a used warehouse here in town and got a VGA monitor for $80.00. The HW cost here would be $679.00. The Compaq machine only have 8Mb of RAM and NeXTStep requires a minimum of 12Mb (Intel version anyway), so I'll add $40.00 for 2 2Mb strip of RAM. Now the price is $719.00. That is all we need for HW. If you are not a student, and purchased NeXTStep SW, then your cost would over $3700!!! Which pretty much is level with a PPC Mac, I believe. Personally, I'd run a Mac over NeXT because if I am to run UNIX, I'd rather run Solaris. -ME
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: [Q] NeXTmail change from Netscape Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:16:04 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32C393B7.F8E@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received NeXTmail from netscape3.0 running on my PowerMac. The NeXTmail attached with some NEXTSTEP software. How could I see original NeXTmail on my NeXTcube? Thanks and Happy New Year! YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:22:48 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32C3954A.61E0@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <E2zD1v.9DJ@nidat.sub.org> <59uohs$iki@mercury.cc.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try MusicBuilder 1.2: An Application Designed to Aid Composers and Hobby Musicians MusicBuilder is designed to give composers, scientists, and hobby musicians a new instrument to create music from the initial score up to a ready-to-play CD-quality soundfile. MusicBuilder is comprised of five components: * MLScore uses the traditional score notation. It allows to import and export MIDI files, to print scores, and to test-play them. * MLOrchestra lets you orchestrate a score. * MLVoice is used to build instruments and to synthesize sounds. * MLProducer puts the things together. It makes MLScore to produce a list of notes, MLOrchestra to process it, MLVoice to calculate a sound for each of the notes, and produces a high quality NEXTSTEP sound file. * MLFunctionEd is a support tool to let you graphically edit color lists, graphs, and tables instead of writing tedious formulas. Contact to: Ralf.Suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de Ralf Suckow Koenigswinterstrasse 12 D-10318 Berlin Germany YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: eidolon <eidolon@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Reading Amiga FS disks under NextStep Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:15:06 +0100 Organization: eidolon Message-ID: <32C3A1AA.41C3@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------24B35F9A2A480" ------------24B35F9A2A480 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone point me to a utilitty that allows Amiga disk to be read by NextStep? -- Ole Chr. Magneshaugen eidolon Postboks 1341, Vestad Industrigata 2 N-2401 ELVERUM Tlf: +47 62417344 Fax:+47 62410377 ------------24B35F9A2A480 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY TEXT="#FFFFFF" BGCOLOR="#000000" LINK="#0000FF" VLINK="#C0C0C0" ALINK="#0000A0"> <DT>Can anyone point me to a utilitty that allows Amiga disk to be read by NextStep?</DT> <DT><BR> -- <BR> Ole Chr. Magneshaugen<BR> <BR> eidolon <BR> Postboks 1341, Vestad<BR> Industrigata 2<BR> N-2401 ELVERUM<BR> <BR> Tlf: +47 62417344<BR> Fax:+47 62410377<BR> </DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------24B35F9A2A480--
From: d94dwa@csd.uu.se (David Wallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Reading Amiga FS disks under NextStep Date: 27 Dec 1996 13:31:37 GMT Organization: Not speaking for Uppsala University Message-ID: <5a0j3p$27rs@columba.udac.uu.se> References: <32C3A1AA.41C3@online.no> eidolon <eidolon@online.no> writes: >Can anyone point me to a utilitty that allows Amiga disk to be read by >NextStep? >-- >Ole Chr. Magneshaugen >eidolon >Postboks 1341, Vestad >Industrigata 2 >N-2401 ELVERUM >Tlf: +47 62417344 >Fax:+47 62410377 Not sure but you should check out vmount v0.4 at ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/vmount<something>.tar.gz if it's not there it's probably been moved to ftp://next-ftp.pea.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/ good luck, --david. -- --e-mail: d94dwa@csd.uu.se "and if you have five seconds to spare, then I'll tell you the story of my life" --the smiths.
From: battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu (Scott Hoppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: 27 Dec 1996 16:42:06 GMT Organization: The United States Civil War Center Message-ID: <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM >> >>Subject: Virus Alert >>Importance: High >> >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >>GREETINGS! ; please delete it >>WITHOUT reading it. In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... > >What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't >contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run >it. Someday these people will learn.... > They completely missed the joke this time, because the original poster didn't use the Subject: 'PENPAL GREETINGS!'. -- -=( Scott )=- Scott Hoppe <battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu> http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/people/shoppe/staff.htm
From: eidolon <eidolon@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Reading/Writing MSDOS filesystem-formatted Syquest disks Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:48:57 +0100 Organization: eidolon Message-ID: <32C3FDF9.6752@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------7D0262EC793C0" ------------7D0262EC793C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The NS 3.3 that I run allow for only NS, and MAC fs to be used with with my Syquest disks. Is there any way I can read/write DOS.fs disks? -- Ole Chr. Magneshaugen eidolon Postboks 1341, Vestad Industrigata 2 N-2401 ELVERUM Tlf: +47 62417344 Fax:+47 62410377 ------------7D0262EC793C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY TEXT="#FFFFFF" BGCOLOR="#000000" LINK="#0000FF" VLINK="#C0C0C0" ALINK="#0000A0"> <DT>The NS 3.3 that I run allow for only NS, and MAC fs to be used with with my Syquest disks. Is there any way I can read/write DOS.fs disks?<BR> -- <BR> Ole Chr. Magneshaugen<BR> <BR> eidolon <BR> Postboks 1341, Vestad<BR> Industrigata 2<BR> N-2401 ELVERUM<BR> <BR> Tlf: +47 62417344<BR> Fax:+47 62410377<BR> </DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------7D0262EC793C0--
From: Gregory John Casamento <gcasamen@eos.hitc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:02:42 -0500 Organization: Hughes Applied Information Systems Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Goerzen wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > I think many of them probably didn't have the money to buy a NeXT machine or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. Later, Greg C.
From: Jeffrey J Barbose <barbose@HowLand.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:07:12 GMT Organization: HowLand Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a16p0$4uk@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> Jason, jasones@flash.net writes: >Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! >From: Jason, jasones@flash.net>Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:39:50 -0600 >>Thomas Vincent wrote: >> >> The fastest Power PC chips available right now are running something >> like 586 MGHZ. They will be available in March of 1997. > >500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring >different processors by thier Mhz... > >-Jason- you are correct. the 533MHz x704 (PPC 604e-compatible) is a very conservative design (few 'modern' optimizations compared to traditional chips), and it STILL beats the pants off of the 500MHz Alpha. Thanks for clearing that up. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Conformity is the ape of harmony." - Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) Copyright Jeffrey J Barbose. All rights reserved. The body of this message may not be reproduced except in direct replies via USENET or email.
From: Jeffrey J Barbose <barbose@HowLand.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:13:54 GMT Organization: HowLand Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a175i$5c3@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> Lance Togar, togar@msn.com writes: >And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >we haven't seen the light. > No, dear heart. You're not throwing your money away. You just have lower standards than the rest of us. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Conformity is the ape of harmony." - Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) Copyright Jeffrey J Barbose. All rights reserved. The body of this message may not be reproduced except in direct replies via USENET or email.
From: Jeffrey J Barbose <barbose@HowLand.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:16:03 GMT Organization: HowLand Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a179j$5c3@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> Dave L., lewisda@tuns.ca writes: >True. Also, the reason nine out and ten computer purchases are not Mac's is >that Apple did not licence the operating system back in 1984. > > no no no no no...the major reason why Macs didn't catch on is because in the business world, where everything-PC was uncertain and untested, no one would buy anything but IBM-branded equipment. It took a few YEARS after that for Compaq et al to catch on. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Conformity is the ape of harmony." - Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) Copyright Jeffrey J Barbose. All rights reserved. The body of this message may not be reproduced except in direct replies via USENET or email.
From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 11:38:02 -0800 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a18iq$j0f@crl.crl.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> In article <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com>, <me@mysolution.com> wrote: > You are forgetting one very important part... NeXT, being an UNIX based >OS, an development platform would be essential (I have it and I can tell you >it saved me more than once!). So, now lets add the Operating System >softwares... I believe that the OS itself is about $1000 and the development >platform is a few thousands of dollars. The prices were so high because the volumes were so low. Apple can amoratize the costs over a far higher volume. Prices should drop into line with those of PCs, for a full OS. I'd expect that Apple would more or less give away developer tools to jump start the community, at least until other dev environments come online. The pricing model has completely changed. you can't say anything based on past prices. -- Don McGregor |"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single chicken, mcgredo@crl.com | being possessed of a good fortune and presented with a good | road, must be desirous of crossing."
From: jcnc@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (Joao Cabral) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mosaic 2.7 for NextStep 3.0 ? Date: 27 Dec 1996 20:21:07 GMT Organization: Instituto Superior Tecnico Message-ID: <5a1b3j$f0u@ci.ist.utl.pt> Hi all! I wonder if anybody has Mosaic 2.7 for NeXTstep 3.0, compiled and available by anonymous FTP ? Any info would be greatly apreciated, Thanks, -- [ Joao Cabral ] [ jcnc@rnl.ist.utl.pt ]
From: me@nortel.ca (Josie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MailApp MIME support - which version? 3.2? Date: 27 Dec 1996 21:16:54 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a1ec6$p91@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> I'm on a NeXT-Mach/68040 NS 3.2 - Is NextApp supposed to be mime-able at version 3.2? What are my options for a mime-aware email app for 3.2? Thanks, Daniel
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: 27 Dec 1996 21:38:15 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5a1fk7$lr2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <E2zD1v.9DJ@nidat.sub.org> <59uohs$iki@mercury.cc.uottawa.ca> <32C3954A.61E0@soback.kornet.nm.kr> In-Reply-To: <32C3954A.61E0@soback.kornet.nm.kr> On 12/27/96, YoungHoon Kil wrote: > Try MusicBuilder 1.2: > An outstanding programme for generating music, however it doesn't have the typesetting abilities of Caliope. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:22:58 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> On 23 Dec 1996 12:20:57 GMT, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: >> Disadvantages: >> Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up. >> >Unix is an *advantage*. Most definitely. Without it, I would likely have to move over to WinNT4. But with UNIX in there that I can get at, NeXTMac (PowerNeXT?, MacNeXT? OpenMac? MacStep???) is worthwhile. A nice flavor of UNIX (or at least a useable one, compatible with networking and TCP utils and apps) with a good GUI, all in a stable package would be pretty useful. on my PCI based 604 platform.
From: tzs@coho.halcyon.com (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 26 Dec 1996 22:53:25 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus, Inc. - Professional Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59uvl5$ppo@news1.halcyon.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> Jerome Chan <jchan@apk.net> wrote: >In article <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca>, Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> wrote: >>Derek Juntunen wrote: >>> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. >> >>http://www.next.com/Merger.html >> >>Good enough? > ><http://www.apple.com/> It's on the front page. They also mailed it to all the Apple developers on the 21st. (Actually, there were three mailings. One from their CTO, one telling that Metrowerks will have Objective C and Next support in Codewarrior and it will be included as part of one's regular Codewarrior subscription, and one that looked like a press release). --Tim Smith
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:55:04 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <carol1-2712961455040001@17.219.103.198> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> In article <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com>, sschaper@inlink.com wrote: > Most definitely. Without it, I would likely have to move over to > WinNT4. I think a good move would be to simply finish what Next started which was to make the Unix invisible except to those who want to see it. In the end, my Mom doesn't want to see even a hint that there is a Unix under, but I, on occasion, certainly would. -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own. carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:02 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c45ef2.83768347@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: >djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: >>Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >>: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >>: >>: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >>: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >> >>Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >>announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >>sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >>time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > >And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. >Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that >failed... > >The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) > AND everyone seems to think that bolting NeXTon to the MAC OS (or the other way around) is like changng spark plugs in a car. When it gets mean and dirty, Jobs'll be onto some other "insanely great" project (fired or otherwise). Naturally, the mess will turn out to MS's fault.
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT/Apple - the gaming connection Date: 27 Dec 1996 16:16:32 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a0sp0$ob0@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> <59tbt5$6md@news.ycc.yale.edu> <59udsj$1ms@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >In case people are wondering, these games were not developed using >any NeXTSTEP-specific API's. As I understand it, the companies >just liked NeXTSTEP because the machine didn't crash when they >tripped over bugs during the development phase. I imagine both >games were developed using C++ or perhaps straight C. ID-Software, who developed Doom, used a crosscompiler. They ported the DOS port of GCC, DJGPP, to NeXTSTEP. And they uploaded it to the archives (I think I found it on peanuts). The last version I know about, is based on gcc 2.6.0. This is from the README: Why? "Hosting" a port of gcc to DOS under NeXTSTEP seems like a pretty weird idea, why would one do it? Because Id Software wanted to be able to do all their development under NeXTSTEP and they needed a compiler that would produce DOS executables. This work is courtesy of Id Software as they paid for the port. Where? Submitted to: ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.README ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.NS.src.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.NSm68k.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.NSi386.tar.gz It should migrate to: ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.README ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.NS.src.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.NSm68k.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.NSi386.tar.gz Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: 27 Dec 1996 16:24:56 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5a0t8o$ob0@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <E2wEso.Anu@midway.uchicago.edu> <E2zD1v.9DJ@nidat.sub.org> Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) wrote: >Try Calliope.app; I find it amazing, and I think you'll love it, too. The >downside: it only resides on a single FTP server in Camebridge, UK, from >which nobody ever seems to have got more than 1/4 kilobytes per second. You can get it from ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/NeXT/audio/apps too. Perhaps this link is faster (for me, it is ;-) ) Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: taweil <taweil@skat.usc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: where is the blackhole icons in the NextStep 1.0? Date: 27 Dec 1996 17:12:11 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: taweil@skat.usc.edu Message-ID: <c4ag20rsc9l.fsf@skat.usc.edu> Hi, I just got a NextStep 1.0 OD and I am looking for the blackhole icons. Anyone still remember where it is? I have looked at the Workspace but it's not there. -- Ta-Wei Li
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 01:12:26 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Distribution: inet Message-ID: <joel-2712961709590001@mfs-annex1-p34.dsphere.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com> <01bbf396$ea1af5e0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> >> ~>> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: >> ~>> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac >> ~>> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are >> ~>> > you using Macs? I have both, thank you very much. I find the Mac much more useful for my day to day work. I find that I can work much much faster on the mac overall. It helps that my mac is a 8500/120 64/3GB and my NeXT is only a Monostation... The NeXT LOOKS way cooler though, just ask anyone who's come into my office since I brought it in from home. Seriously, I love nextstep and I love my next, but I've found that the apps available on the mac allow me to be a lot more productive. I'm looking forward to a hybrid that gives me what I love about my next (the dock, the file viewer, the stability, the multitasking, the access to the unix shell) with what I love about my mac (the interface, the apps, the customization, the widespread availability of hardware and software, color...) Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 00:41:35 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf457$bedff120$6cc289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> <32c45ef2.83768347@news.sover.net> Lance Togar <togar@msn.com> wrote in article <32c45ef2.83768347@news.sover.net>... > hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: > > >djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: > >>Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > >And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. > >Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that > >failed... PReP by many accounts wasn't a partnership, It was IBM trying to force Apple to go along with their design. PPCP though isn't out yet but calling it a failure is a bit premature. > > > >The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) > > The PPC chip itself was a partnership and I wouldn't consider that a failure either.
From: sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MailApp MIME support - which version? 3.2? Date: 28 Dec 1996 01:28:35 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a1t43$gou@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5a1ec6$p91@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> Keywords: e-mail mime me@nortel.ca (Josie) writes: > > I'm on a NeXT-Mach/68040 NS 3.2 - Is NextApp supposed to be mime-able > at version 3.2? What are my options for a mime-aware email app for 3.2? If you can, just take Mail.app from Nextstep 3.3! We used it that way some time, bevor upgrading all machines. -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin PST (E10, E3) fon (+49-89-): PST 2178-2134, Physik 2180-3442, Home 757480 url: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
From: zalta@mally.Stanford.EDU (Edward N. Zalta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MailApp MIME support - which version? 3.2? Date: 28 Dec 1996 01:52:45 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5a1uhd$jb4@nntp.Stanford.EDU> For a MIME-aware email program for NeXTSTEP3.2, you can use pine. However, it is a non-graphical program that starts up and functions in a Terminal window. It does, however, install right out of the box. I use it when I am away from my console, telnetted into my NeXT machine. Look at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed/pine-bin.next.Z Ed
From: Ingo Feulner <ifeulner@xenon.cube.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 01:00:13 GMT Organization: Private Site, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=F6blingen?=, Germany Message-ID: <5a1ret$ip0@whitestar.stgt.sub.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (FinalNews for NeXTstep; experimental 0.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Goerzen wrote in <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> on 24 Dec 1996 19:57:05 GMT: > > BTW, just for comparison: > > Linux $0 .... PERIOD. Linux sucks. Period. - Ingo. --- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Böblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de "You do not understand." - Kosh, Babylon 5, various episodes.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Apple-><-NeXT == Bolo? Message-ID: <E33KFp.xs@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <59uknj$255@BLaCKSMITH.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 00:09:25 GMT Jeff Sickel writes > So, with all the new rage over the Apple, NeXT merger... > > Does that mean that we'll finally get something like Bolo under OpenStep??? Would you please describe what Nex/Openstep users are considered to be missing? Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
Control: cancel <5a23m9$11di@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> From: Qoute-A-Day@juno.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5a23m9$11di@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <Can_5a23m9$11di@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 03:19:56 GMT Cancelled - doesn't fit Prodigy(r) "Terms of Use" Questions to admin@prodigy.com
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > In <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> David J Harr wrote: > > _BUT_ the reality is that > > I make my money contract programming video games, and there has never > > been a single company that ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to > > NeXT done. > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on NeXTSTEP. Id, at least, did a lot more than prototype. In the creation of a game, they need custom tools fast, for creating maps, etc.; I assume Trilobyte did used NeXTstep for the same reasons. The games were targeted at PCs due to market, and NeXTstep - as it stands - is not a great games deployment platform. Something I'm sure Apple will rectify - another reason for me to be happy about this merger. For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. Shortly after Quake shipped, Id shifted to NT; the only reason I actually saw was because it made working with OpenGL much easier, but there are also other aspects of being able to distribute tools that the general public can use without having to rewrite them. John Carmack has publically said that he does miss some aspects of NeXTstep since Id moved away from it, he's happy with the news of the merger, and he indicated that if Apple does the right thing with NeXTstep, he might start using Macs for creating games. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok Want NeXTstep user environment info? Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/People/andrew/MacUsersGuideToNEXTSTEP/
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:48:38 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <59hif6$48p@hpax.cup.hp.com> References: <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com> In article <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com>, planetary <planet@xmission.xmission.com> wrote: >Adobe? If you read Apple's press release, Adobe seems to have a positive attitude. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Pages? Date: 28 Dec 1996 18:48:09 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a3q19$kbu@news.bctel.net> Who ownes Pages WP? Is there a possibility this App will be supported again for the new os?
From: gary@mail.pex.net (Gary Marantos) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:06:08 -0800 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <gary-ya023180002812961106080001@news.connectnet.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> <rickeym-2412960120440001@10.0.2.15> <32c012fb.14102618@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Volkswagen Beetle is the biggest selling automobile of all time. There are more Beetles on the road than any other car. Does that make it the best car on the road? I don't give a fuck about the online wars of my OS (or computer) is better than yours. I erased WindowsNT server because NeXTStep/OPENSTEP can do the same thing and are more of a pleasure to use. Not everyone is a Gates-following lemming. :) In article <32c012fb.14102618@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: > > >In article <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca>, > >lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) wrote: > > > >> togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> > >> > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > >> > But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just > >> > sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because > >> > we haven't seen the light. > > > >More people drive chevy trucks than chevy corvette's too, but it doesn't > >mean that they are better. > > > >-- > >Rick McDaniel > > If I had to be SURE of getting somewhere. I'd certainly choose the > Chevy truck over the Corvette. If your anaolgy is meant to compare MAC > PCs to Intel PCs then it doesn't apply. However, if you wish to apply > it anyway, who do you think gets more work done - the Chevy truck > driver or the Corvette jockey?
From: gary@mail.pex.net (Gary Marantos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: OPENSTEP 4.0 and dialup PPP connections Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:19:43 -0800 Message-ID: <gary-ya023180002812961119430001@news.connectnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I am going to ask a total-retard newbie question so please be kind. :) My system is a Pentium 100, 32Mb RAM 1.6Gb Maxtor EIDE 1.3Gb Maxtor EIDE Orchid Kelvin 2Mb PCI VRAM Video Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI2 card Panasonic 8x SCSI CD-ROM 3Com Etherlink III 3C595 10/100 Ethernet cared (sadly no driver available yet) Two days ago I purchased Openstep 4.0 to use as a server OS for my small (2 node) netowrk at home. Unfortunately I can't completely replace WindowsNT Server until I can find a way to let my Openstep computer make a dialout connection via 28.8 modem to the internet (through a garden variety ISP). I did go into /nextlibrary/documentation/nextadmin/releasenotes/PPP.rtf and read the file. Making the modifications was fairly simple but I am still unsure exactly what I need to tell my computer that my modem is there and that I want to dial out to my ISP. There were many references to an ethernet card in PPP.rtf, however since my card is a relatively new model there is currently no driver available for it so it's as if the card isn't there. The card is a 3Com 3C595 PCI 10/100. My other computer is a Powermac 7200 and to my knowledge the NeXT OS can not read Mac disks so that isn't an option. Enough rambling, what I need is for someone to tell me in retard terms step by step how do I set my Openstep system to dial out to my ISP and initiate a PPP connection similar to Windows95's Dialup Connection and Macintosh's OpenTransport/MacPPP. Please please email me, thanks. :) gary@mail.pex.net
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 19:25:30 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Gregory John Casamento <gcasamen@eos.hitc.com> wrote: >John Goerzen wrote: >> >> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such >> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >> > >I think many of them probably didn't have the money to buy a NeXT >machine >or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. > >Later, > >Greg C. patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP? Its so easy my mother could do it!
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 19:59:16 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c57b1a.14061585@news.inlink.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> <carol1-2712961455040001@17.219.103.198> On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:55:04 -0800, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com>, sschaper@inlink.com wrote: > >> Most definitely. Without it, I would likely have to move over to >> WinNT4. > >I think a good move would be to simply finish what Next started >which was to make the Unix invisible except to those who want to >see it. > >In the end, my Mom doesn't want to see even a hint that there is >a Unix under, but I, on occasion, certainly would. > Exactly. Make it invisible to the typical user, but let it be there, via something analogous to the Apple Menu, in a way similar, perhaps, to the way you can get at DOS from within Win95, for those of us who do want to access the UNIX command line, for certain purposes. But have a GUI cover over everything, including internet setup, for the non-sysadmin user. I'm not familiar with the interface development environment, but it sounds from press reports as it it should be fairly easy to put together GUI front ends to pass the args to the underlying Mach and UNIX apps. Steve Schaper ComputerUser
From: dchan@dchan.earthlink.net (Derek Chan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NXFax which modems? Date: 28 Dec 1996 21:32:25 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> Hi, I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. The modem has to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting the US Robotics V.Everything but, have heard that US Robitics modems don't work with NXFax (I couldn't get a 28.8 USR Sportster to work but, maybe the V.Everything will work). Can anyone recommend anything? Thanks. -- dchan@earthlink.net | NeXTmail or MIMEmail welcome.
From: lavalle@nwlink.com (Russ LaValle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT OS for new buyers Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 14:18:14 -0800 Organization: Edmark Corp. Message-ID: <lavalle-2812961418140001@port11.annex5.nwlink.com> Hi everyone, All of a sudden, a LOT more people are interested in NeXT! I'd like to jump in on this OS. Being a Mac guy, I'm used to low market share! Anyway, most of you probably know about the NeXT systems for sale by James Moosman in comp.sys.next.marketplace. If I was to buy the Color Turbo NextStation (no Software or Hard Drive), how tough would it be to get the OS? It seems that we'll have a right to use NEXTSTEP 3.3. The question is, how to get it. I could possibly help by supplying CD burning capability. If someone wanted to loan out a 3.3 CD, I could make copies for a limited number of people who buy from James for the cost of media and shipping. I _think_ this would be legal. Anyone want to loan out their CD(s) to help new NeXT users/developers? One important question: Do all NextStations have CD ROM drives built in? Thanks, Russ
From: me@mysolution.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 22:30:19 GMT Organization: Internet Solutions Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a471r$l3h@news.mysolution.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net> In article <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net>, <Scott> wrote: >>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >>or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. > >patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP? Its so easy my mother >could do it! With the right motherboard and accessories, yes it is very very easy. With the wrong mnotherboard or laptop, you are in for a rough ride, if it even installs. Once installed, however, it is a very good OS, like almost all UNIX-like system, though. -ME
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:10:58 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961812510001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> In article <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > > you using Macs? > > Because they didn't want to mortgage the house to buy a copy! > -- > Thanks, later, John Kheit 'Cause I never really heard of it? 'Cause I needed to stay under $1500? 'Cause NeXT could get a tremendous boost from the financial resources available to Apple, so the result could be the best of both worlds plus Photorealisticrenderman? ;) Besides, why shouldn't I think it's good if it is? Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:34:57 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961836500001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> In article <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on > > NeXTSTEP. > Id software were the guys who developed _DOOM_ using NeXTSTEP, > right? > What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? No, Myst is a HyperCard game, that one came from MacOS. You are quite correct that DOOM came from NeXTSTEP. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:33:29 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961835220001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002512961945190001@news.earthlink.net> In article <jhsterne-ya023280002512961945190001@news.earthlink.net>, jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: > John, AFAIK, commercial = you pay for the product. That is not free. That > some versions of Linux are free does not make all versions of Linux free, > anymore than the fact that Apple gives away all MacOS versions prior to 7.1 > makes all versions of the MacOS free. > > "Linux $0 .... PERIOD" -- John Goerzen > > I read this to mean that _all_ versions of Linux are free. This indeed > contradicts your post pointing out that there are "pay" versions of Linux. No, actually, he's right- with the commercial ones you're paying for the disks. The CD-Rom substrates aren't free, nor is the paper the manuals and things are printed on. Linux is free, if you want it on a disk with a book you pay for the disk and the book. Still doesn't mean _I_ want to run a Unix box, ever, but let's not discount the wonderful audacity of free Linux. I think that's cool. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:44:03 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5a4bc3$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> References: <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com> In article <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com>, planetary <planet@xmission.xmission.com> wrote: >Adobe? If you read Apple's press release, Adobe seems to have a positive attitude. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:40:02 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961841550001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <5a18iq$j0f@crl.crl.com> In article <5a18iq$j0f@crl.crl.com>, mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) wrote: > The prices were so high because the volumes were so low. Apple can amoratize the > costs over a far higher volume. Prices should drop into line with those > of PCs, for a full OS. I'd expect that Apple would more or less give away > developer tools to jump start the community, at least until other dev > environments come online. Ooooo, tell me more... jump start me, I don't mind! :) Jinx_tigr (who is basically just starting out, and what marvellous timing it is to be just starting out developing for Macs) (aka Chris Johnson)
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 13:50:45 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5a38jl$19k@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> me@mysolution.com wrote: >If you are not a student, and purchased NeXTStep SW, then your cost >would over $3700!!! Which pretty much is level with a PPC Mac, >I believe. Personally, I'd run a Mac over NeXT because if I am to >run UNIX, I'd rather run Solaris. You know the price of Solaris/user : the same as NeXTSTEP/user... and Solaris dev tool ? Twice as NeXT's one... Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: timdx@pacbell.net (Jeff Dallacqua) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 02:32:47 GMT Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)?
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MailApp MIME support - which version? 3.2? Date: 28 Dec 1996 02:06:14 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a1vam$hcv@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5a1ec6$p91@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> In article <5a1ec6$p91@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> me@nortel.ca (Josie) writes: > > I'm on a NeXT-Mach/68040 NS 3.2 - Is NextApp supposed to be > mime-able at version 3.2? What are my options for a mime-aware > email app for 3.2? No, Mail.app did not pick up all the MIME support (as well as some other nice features) until release 3.3. I bought NS-3.3 on one of my machines, simply so I could have the newer Mail.app (which works fine on NS-3.2) and the fixed version of lipo (which should have been given out free to all Nextstep users!). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] NeXTmail change from Netscape Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 22:44:25 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9612282144.AA17129@basil.icce.rug.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In article <<32C393B7.F8E@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, you wrote: > I just received NeXTmail from netscape3.0 running on my PowerMac. > The NeXTmail attached with some NEXTSTEP software. > How could I see original NeXTmail on my NeXTcube? 1) get appnmail. It is part of mailapp-utilities, which you can obtain = from e.g.: = ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/mailapp-utilities.1.7.NIHS.bs.tar.= gz and install it on your Cube. 2) save the raw NeXTmail message, including all headers if possible, to a file from Netscape (sorry, I've never used Netscape so you're on your own here) and transfer it to your cube. 3) feed it to appnmail, thusly: =09 appnmail Active << your-saved-file (!!!command-line alert!!! :-) Instead of Active you can use any other mailbox name that you like. You must not have this mailbox open in Maill.app; appnmail will wait until it is closed before it delivers the message. Hope this helps, Tom. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <<tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <<tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable __/ _/_/ from a perl script" -- Larry Wall, mangled
From: hecht@unm.edu (Andrew Hecht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Internet Telephony Software Date: 29 Dec 1996 03:35:10 GMT Message-ID: <5a4ote$2cmu$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Keywords: telephony Does anyone know of the existence of an internet telephony program that runs under NeXTStep? Andrew Hecht hecht@unm.edu
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:28:27 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1996Dec29.182827.14511@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> In article <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: > paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on > > NeXTSTEP. > > Id software were the guys who developed _DOOM_ using NeXTSTEP, > right? That's right. > What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? No, Myst was someone else. Trilobyte did Seventh Guest and Eleventh Hour. They picked up on NeXTSTEP after Seventh Guest was released, and while in early development with Eleventh Hour. They may have developed parts of that using NeXTSTEP, I don't know for certain. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 29 Dec 1996 04:14:11 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a4r6j$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net> <5a471r$l3h@news.mysolution.com> me@mysolution.com wrote: >In article <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net>, <Scott> wrote: >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >>>or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. >> >>patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP? Its so easy my mother >>could do it! > > With the right motherboard and accessories, yes it is very very easy. >With the wrong mnotherboard or laptop, you are in for a rough ride, if it even >installs. Once installed, however, it is a very good OS, like almost >all UNIX-like system, though. > "With the right motherboard and accessories" ......Next's web site list all compatible hardware....if you stick to the listed hardware there is no problem.... One word of advice....do not assume any hardware is compatible...if it is not on the list don't risk it. Hopefully with the new OS more drivers will be written.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 29 Dec 1996 04:18:09 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring >> different processors by thier Mhz... > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > >-- >Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." >carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org Can I get one in red?
From: chris@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Christian Limpach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: gcc 2.7.2.1 on OS 4.0 -- yes Date: 21 Dec 1996 03:25:24 +0100 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site - NOT Message-ID: <x7ybeshbk7.fsfchris@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch> Originator: uucp@nice.ethz.ch Hello, I have ported gcc 2.7.2.1 to OS 4.0. It was not working because the pic (position independent code) generated by the standard gcc and Next's gcc are quite different, also there were problems with gcc trying to link a static library after linking a dynamic one. A patch file against gcc-2.7.2.1 is available at: ftp://nice.ethz.ch/users/chris/OS4/gcc-2.7.2.1-OS4.patch.gz christian -- Christian Limpach, CS-Student @ ETH Zurich, Switzerland. http://nice.ethz.ch/~chris --- System-Administration VIS/NiCE member of the managing board of VIS (http://www.vis.inf.ethz.ch/)
From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros@u.washington.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Account troubles Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:57:31 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961228224810.6382D-100000@saul5.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: kjaeros Predicate: `"Did you eat something that did not agree with you?" asked John' I recently inherited a NeXTstation (16/105) with NS 3.2 installed, and I'm having severe troubles logging in to the Workspace. If I boot single-user, everything looks normal. 'whoami' reveals 'root', and I can use 'login' to login to each account set up (namely, root) using the passwords assigned with 'passwd'. However, if I boot multi-user, and loginwindow runs, nothing at all works. I have a 'me' account set up without a password, and I get a login window. I try logging in as root with the password I've assigned, but nothing happens. No accounts log in. Not 'me', not 'root'. 'console' works, but then the same thing happens: no logins are accepted. I have yet to see the Workspace. I looked at /usr/adm/messages, and the thing -did- work before I got it. Incidentally, 'nu' refuses to run, saying 'Unable to open destination NetInfo domain.' I have set the netinfo domain in nu.cf to "." as prescribed in the comments. It works fine on my NeXTcube running 3.0, in addition. What am I missing? r. http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kjaeros -------------------------------------- [ e x l i b r i s ]
From: salvo@accessone.com (Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NExt POP clients Date: 29 Dec 1996 07:02:33 GMT Organization: Brittania Sportswear, LTD Message-ID: <5a5529$9vp@kanga.accessone.com> References: <32BD074C.3F4C@CERF.NET> Cc: esteban@CERF.NET In <32BD074C.3F4C@CERF.NET> esteban wrote: > Is there a good POP client for NeXt (running 3.2). Better yet, is there > a version of the Maillapp that comes with Next that supports POP? PopOver can be found at ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next. -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
From: antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Nextstep Graphics/Template Consultant needed Date: 29 Dec 1996 08:14:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961229081300.DAA04067@ladder01.news.aol.com> Small job but challenging. Graphics Expertise to cleanup and layout some letterhead and business card designs. Produce the final proofs. Seccondly to setup a openwrite templates for each letterhead. email
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Useful software, mono/color Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 01:32:50 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm thinking of getting a NeXTstation, and would like to know what kind of apps are out there that can make it a useful machine to me(as opposed to a beautiful example of industrial design sitting on my desk). The categories of software in which I am interested: DTP (something like Quark, maybe?) all sorts of graphics (mostly bitmapped, little vector) including 3D CAD/something like formZ webdesign light web/mailserver software? and of course internet surfing (mail, newsgroups, www). Are there any notable apps in these categories? Especially shareware, of course. And a way to transfer files to/from a Mac. Also, please note whether any such apps would want color. I'd need to justify a color NeXTstation (I'm leaning toward mono). Sorry if this asks for a lot of info, but I'd appreciate it greatly. thanks john --- - ------- ------- Music is a higher revelation than philosophy. - Beethoven jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: blitter@planetx.lanz.com-nO.sPAM (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 29 Dec 1996 12:16:46 GMT Organization: mud.lanz.com_4000 Message-ID: <5a5nfe$l6d@bernadette.lanz.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> Scott wrote: > carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: > >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > > > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > >> different processors by thier Mhz... > > > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > > Can I get one in red? With a 'screaming death-head' logo would be k0oL. :-) -- Dave. blitter@planetx.lanz.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/1411/ interbbs.com 4000 [not.named.yet] A Mythran mud Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread at $50/hr, min $100
From: jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenStep for Solaris Software Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:50:30 -0500 Organization: TofuSoft Message-ID: <jchan-ya023580002812962250300001@news.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can someone recommend an ftp site for OpenStep for Solaris? I'm looking for TeX and image related software. Thank You! --- The Evil Tofu (Only Human)
From: rmorse@.rust.net (Robert Morse) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 29 Dec 1996 17:09:41 GMT Organization: Rust Net - High Speed Internet in Detroit 810-642-2276 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a68kl$t6l@oxy.rust.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <5a38jl$19k@precipice.fdn.fr> Hugues RICHARD (hugues@precipice.fdn.fr) wrote: : me@mysolution.com wrote: : >If you are not a student, and purchased NeXTStep SW, then your cost : >would over $3700!!! Which pretty much is level with a PPC Mac, : >I believe. Personally, I'd run a Mac over NeXT because if I am to : >run UNIX, I'd rather run Solaris. : You know the price of Solaris/user : the same as NeXTSTEP/user... : and Solaris dev tool ? Twice as NeXT's one... Sorry but Sun is Giving away OpenStep/Solaris User for free from their web site. Yes developement tools are very expensive, along the lines of NeXt's but I just found out that SparcWorks C++ 4.1 has full support for ObjC minus the GuiTools. : Hugues. : -------------------------------------------------------------------- : hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK : ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------ -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Robert Morse + + rmorse@rmnet.com + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: NXFax which modems? Message-ID: <E36KC2.ADw@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:00:02 GMT In article <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> dchan@dchan.earthlink.net (Derek Chan) writes: > Hi, > > I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. > The modem has to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting > the US Robotics V.Everything but, have heard that US Robitics > modems don't work with NXFax (I couldn't get a 28.8 USR Sportster > to work but, maybe the V.Everything will work). Can anyone > recommend anything? > As far as I remember, the demo of NXFax came with a list of supported modems (you can find it on Peak and Peanuts). Of course, this doesn't cover modems that work but black&white don't support. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: Lusty Wench <lusty@lusty.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] NeXTmail change from Netscape Date: 29 Dec 1996 11:46:12 -0800 Organization: Idiom Consulting - ISP, http://www.idiom.com Sender: lusty@idiom.com Message-ID: <5a6hq4$743@idiom.com> References: <9612282144.AA17129@basil.icce.rug.nl> In article <9612282144.AA17129@basil.icce.rug.nl>, Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> wrote: >In article <<32C393B7.F8E@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, you wrote: > >> I just received NeXTmail from netscape3.0 running on my PowerMac. > >> The NeXTmail attached with some NEXTSTEP software. > >> How could I see original NeXTmail on my NeXTcube? > >1) get appnmail. 2) Use a MUA (mail user agent) like elm, that allows you to "bounce" a received message to a new address. Of course this assumes that you can divert email to your cube. Lusty
From: me@nortel.ca (Josie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MailApp MIME support - which version? 3.2? Date: 29 Dec 1996 19:24:16 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a6gh0$ej2@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <5a1vam$hcv@usenet.rpi.edu> Keywords: email How much is NS 3.3 (for a slab)? Should I wait and hope for new prices for 4.0, 5.0? What's lipo? Thanks, Daniel In article <5a1vam$hcv@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > In article <5a1ec6$p91@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> me@nortel.ca (Josie) writes: > > > > I'm on a NeXT-Mach/68040 NS 3.2 - Is NextApp supposed to be > > mime-able at version 3.2? What are my options for a mime-aware > > email app for 3.2? > > No, Mail.app did not pick up all the MIME support (as well as > some other nice features) until release 3.3. I bought NS-3.3 > on one of my machines, simply so I could have the newer Mail.app > (which works fine on NS-3.2) and the fixed version of lipo > (which should have been given out free to all Nextstep users!).
From: cait@ime.net (Cat Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 29 Dec 1996 20:26:33 GMT Organization: Draw Down the Moon Distribution: inet Message-ID: <cait-2912961526370001@port-1.ime.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> * John Goerzen wrote: * > * > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such * > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? Simple... NeXT machines were the best wonderful computers on the planet but Mac computers (a close second) were (when I was first buying my computer) both cheaper and had far more applications available for them. I look forward to the unbeatable match of Mac hardware and NeXT OS! -- Cat Eldridge / I cursed him in my heart. "Um, what day is it?" Kinrowan Ltd. / With the infinite patience of someone used Music booker and promoter/ to dealing with drunks, Portland, Maine / musicians, and techies, he replied, "Sunday."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <9612291709.AA01445@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 18:09:47 +0100 Subject: Who invented what? - here: 2.88MB - 3.5" Floppy drives * * * * * Steve Jobs invented the 2.88 netto (/ 4.0 brutto) ED - 3.5" Floppy drives! ;-) * * * * * I am quite anxious to see what kind of thread this statement produces...... Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) the new SnappleOS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "When the history of Apple Computer is written, Steve Job's entire experience at NeXT may be seen as a 12-year-long skunkworks project" Simson L. Garfinkel in his Analysis dd Dec 21st, 1996, published by San Jose Mercury news ---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <9612291656.AA01433@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 17:56:30 +0100 Subject: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Hey there merged community, I thought I will contribute my share to this Tera-Event! ;-) This is to cover the most asked questions on the oncoming "AppleStep" Here are the "other" unofficial FAQs (my Opinion what Apple shoud do or Apple probably will do follow the Questions ;-) Most of this stuff might be history by January 7th, 1997, but this is so exciting that...., just read on: ------------------- AppleStep FAQs ------------------- ------------------- dd 96-12-30 ------------------- Q: Will my 680x0-Apple run the new "AppleStep" OS?? A: Probably not. Apple's CTO Ellen Hancock pointed out that the Mk68-Apple will not be running the new OS, since Apple has to concentrate his 150 men (100 from NeXT, 50 from Apple) on the PowerMac and on the PPCplatform (formerly known as PreP or CHRP (Common Hardware Reference platform)), the PowerPC-spec. MHO: Apple might do a port to 68k - machines (if they have spare time ;-), but don't count on it, since the MacOS System 7.x will be enhanced and supported until 1998. So Apple does run on 2 tracks until then. Q: Will my 040 - NeXT run the new "AppleStep" OS?? A: No, Apple has enough work to do with its different iterations of PowerMac-machines. As far as the NeXT-OS OpenStep for Mach 4.1 is concerned, it will be kept up to date says Avie Tevanian, new head of the Apple Software Dev. Dept. MHO: Never will. Q: What's the os-kernel base of "AppleStep"?? A: Apple is not firm on that one, at least what it says officially. It remains to be seen what really happens at the core of "AppleStep". Ellen Hancock talked about the fact that the NeXTengineers did a good job removing Unix from the core of the NeXT-OS. MHO: Ellen Hancock probably means that the kernel of Openstep got an abstract new form that doesn't to much resemble the normal Unix kernel formally known as Mach. (Remember when NeXTWORLD magazine talked about ObjectSoup ???) We might see a fundamentally new core for the Mac, since I still have NeXTengineers laughter in my ears, when I asked them for OpenStep on MacOS at ObjectWorld 95 in August 1995 in SF. In that "ask the engineers"-sesson, they told the audience, that Quote: "MacOS isn't good enough to put anything on top on..... it doesn't support anything!" Q: What will the GUI of "AppleStep" look like?? A: It will probably resemble today's MacOS-look a lot, since Avie Tevanian said he doesn't want to aliennize current MaC-Users away! MHO: The GUI could be anything, if Steve will convince Gil Amelio, it might even be that the GUI will really have something new that PC-Software Copycats can copy from Apple. (Take a close look to the icons on Win95 windows, they are copied from the NeXT environment, already) Since the actual OpenStep develoment with InterfaceBuilder supports WinNT look-and-feel (programmed with NeXT, but the finished programm looks like it has never ever seen any other platform than Windows), one will probably see the first Apple GUI to do so. Even a command-bar like Win95 features is possible (The OpenStep for Mach 4.0 sneak-preview at ObjectWorld 95 in SF done by NeXT has also shown one for Openstep (though history teaches us it turned out later that it wasn't used and now is called a design-study). Speech-recognition is another feature that Steve Jobs might push into "AppleStep", since he always craves for the best of all he can get hold of. (NeXT has been living that, big screens since 1989, 2.88MB-Floppy, the Object-oriented environment that Taligent tried to produce for Apple & IBM.....) Let me state a quote by Simson L. Garfinkel in his Analysis dd Dec 21st, 1996, published by San Jose Mercury news at this place: "When the history of Apple Computer is written, Steve Job's entire experience at NeXT may be seen as a 12-year-long skunkworks project" Q: Will "AppleStep" have all the features waited on for so long, like SMP, memory-protection, performance and stability also found in BeOS?? A: Yes, it will be based on the NeXT technology with Apple technology like Quicktime and others grafted on top. MHO: Yes, NeXTSTEP is a lot more mature then BeOS is today and it's network-ready and Internet-savy. (BTW: The WorldWideWeb has been created by Tim-Berners Lee of CERN, CH entirely on NeXTSTEP) There also is a lot of Software available on NeXTSTEP, shrinkwrap or custom-made. Companies like StoneDesign (www.stone.com) with Create or AFS with PasteUp and their trading-systems for NewYork stockmarket brokers or OneVison with his great DTP-package (www.onevision.de) have already done superior products, while Be is just at the beginning. (To quote Gil Amelio: We had to choose between soloution A and B. We chose A instead of BE!) As a WordPerfect representative put it in 1992, Quote: "NeXT has the best and most stable OS (NeXTSTEP 2.1) there is. I've never seen something like it. Prepare to receive a rock-solid Apple-OS! (Avie Tenavian does it again!) Q: What's the timeline?? A: MacOS System 7.x will get 2 updates, one in January 1997 and one in July 1997 (with the new looking GUI formerly referred to as the Copeland GUI). "AppleStep" will come out in a beta-release available for developers at the WWDC (World-Wide Developer Conference) in July 1997, followed by the final UserVersion at the end of 1997. Later in 1998 System-7-support will be added to "AppleStep". Q: Symetrical Multiprocessing (SMP) isn't implemented by NeXT yet. How come that Apple is so confident about "AppleStep" having SMP? A: Avie Tenavian has stated that implementing symetrical multiprocessing (SMP) into "AppleStep" will take about 3 months work. MHO: Mach already features support for SMP and even the first NeXTcube in 1988 was build by NeXT with SMP in mind. NeXT already had NeXTSTEP running SMP on 2 PPC 601 running at 50Mhz on their NeXTbrick prototype in 1992..... So this shouldn't be a problem. Q: Who will port its Software to "AppleStep"?? A: Since the Metrowerks compiler for the MacOS, which accounts for 55,000 or 90% of the MacDevelopers using it, will be readily ported when the beta-release of "AppleStep" comes available in July 1997, there should not be any problem with general Software availability by the end of 1997, when the User will receive the final "AppleStep"-OS. NeXT already works together with Netscape on new software for serving the Internet, Sun and Javasoft pledged support, Apple's Claris will do port and Adobe will lift all of his products on "AppleStep" as soon as possible, it's chairman said. That means you will at least see the Navigator, Photoshop 4.x, Premiere, FrameMaker 5.x and Illustrator 5.x on "AppleStep" by the end of the year 1997. MHO: Chances are that you will also see Microsofts Office 97 on "AppleStep", because Microsoft has a strong position on the MacPlatform, it would like to hold. And they will do so, that's for sure! Secondly Metrowerks pledged something like InterfaceBuilder-support with their products, so this should close even the last gap between Apple and NeXT development enviroments. Q: What products will be ported to "AppleStep" coming from NeXT 3rd Party developers A: Products that will be available are the following (dd-961229): The DTP-prgramm PasteUp 2.6 and 3.0 & the WriteUp - Word processor, and Cambridge Animations ANIMO - a cartoon creating programm from the UK! MHO My personal whishes for "AppleStep" are: Stone Designs Create 4.x Pixars SMP-version of Interactive Renderman (normal ver. shipped earlier with the NeXTOS), Improv 2.x (Lotus left the Apple Software Scene long time ago, maybe they will come back to face their fears and tackle Excel. OmniWeb 3.x SoftWindows NT for AppleStep (just to be sure ;-) Q: What about other platforms, since NeXTSTEP / OpenStep natively also runs on Intel and entry-level SunSparcs today?? A: Apple wanted to be sure to be able to also move to other platforms if the PowerPC fails to grab the market share it deserves. NeXT was the best choice they could have made, keeping this in mind. MHO: Since IBM isn't to sure about the PPC either, that is leaving only Motorola with having nothing to loose, Apple should think about its OS-future and also port it to other platforms. Prepare to see Apples 64bit-verison of "AppleStep" to eventually also run on Intels Merced (P7) and on Suns new UltraSparc2-ATX-boards. But the PowerPC's success does depend mostly on the success of the new "AppleStep" since Apple accounts for the most sold systems since the PPC-CPU saw the light. Also prepare to see a lot of great new Apple Hardware since Apple does not want to leave the high-end market entirely to clone makers which are normally the first (not anymore in 1997) to introduce the high-end-CPUs before Apple does. Just imagine a 300Mhz-portable Apple PowerBook based on the 603e, and a PPC-platform-spec.based Apple PowerPC with two X704 - Exponential - Chips running at 500Mhz each, using a 100Mhz PCI- Bus running the new MacOS "AppleStep" at speeds only Alpha-Chip users are used to! And then, these Systems are being able to use the Multi-bootloader ROM incooperated on the PowerPCplatform spec. So while AppleStep has to come to existence first (while you wait): You are able to boot from a multi-OS partioned harddisk with Apple's System 7.x / WinNT / Solaris 2.x until "AppleStep" comes to live! Isn't that something?? ------------------- AppleStep FAQs ------------------- ------------------- dd 96-12-29 ------------------- Copyleft: "AppleStep" is just a name to call it before Apple officialy gives it a name. (The confusion about the naming of the future MacOS made it to be a hybrid system, which it is not, nor Mac(h)OS, NeXTSTEP, NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, OpenStep for Mach, , etc. (so many differnet names which are confusing for NeXT-newbies! ;-) Reporters got them all mixed up. ------------------- EOF ------------------- Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "When the history of Apple Computer is written, Steve Job's entire experience at NeXT may be seen as a 12-year-long skunkworks project" Simson L. Garfinkel in his Analysis dd Dec 21st, 1996, published by San Jose Mercury news ---
From: abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 19:54:31 -0800 Organization: Bridge Family Distribution: inet Message-ID: <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to > > see it. > > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > world without being under Unix. > > That's why Thomas said: > "Disadvantages: > Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up." > And he's right! > > But all of this will be a small work for such biggie as Apple... Hey -- that's a perfect example of something that I should NEVER have to think much about. The IDEA of a superuser or sysadmin isn't part of a personal computer -- it's my computer and it should be easy enough to use so that I don't have to monkey around in the innards. Ask me a few questions and then do the right thing to get set up -- it's a computer and a computer is a tool to make life easier not to make life a pain -- that's the reason I use a Mac. I almost NEVER think or worry about this stuff. Adam Bridge
From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 05:39:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> X-no-archive: yes Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > UNIX, Be OS, and DOS are not real time operating systems. The current Mac > OS is. What do you understand by 'realtime OS'? My definition would be: No matter what application, what process is running, if you (or any other process) enter any command, the system will execute this command within a maximum guaranteed response time. In this sense, MacOS is, of course, _NOT AT ALL_ a realtime OS. Because _ANY_ application or process can _BLOCK_ the system _COMPLETELY_, that means, the system cannot even guarantee that a command entered by the user or any other process is executed _AT ALL_, leave alone within a guaranteed execution time. As I understand it, the ability for pre-emptive multitasking is _NECESSARY_ for realtime capabilitiy (so a non-pre-emptive OS like the MacOS can _NEVER_ be a realtime OS), but it is of course not sufficient, because pre-emptive multitasking can only guarantee that a command will be executed _AT ALL_, but not necessarily within a certain maximum response time. P.S.: Real time capability is imho only relevant for OSes that are used in embedded controllers and other systems where security is relevant, but I don't think it is a major issue for any desktop (or server) OS for 'standard' applications. Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: timothy@calliope.vnet.net (Timothy R. Mills) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Pattern Recognition Date: 30 Dec 1996 01:33:35 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Message-ID: <5a765f$4d7@ralph.vnet.net> Keywords: pattern recognition, nearest neighbor, regression tree Does anyone know of any pattern recognition software currently running (or planned to run) under NEXTSTEP/OpenStep? I'm interested in hearing about any software utilizing neural nets, adaptive classifiers (genetic algorithms), nearest neighbor, classification and regression trees, or anything else? If so, please email me with details and contacts. Thanks. Timothy -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R Mills 2500 Innsbrook Road timothy@acm.org Charlotte, NC 28226 (NeXT/MIME/ASCII) phone: 704-442-1141 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Date: 30 Dec 1996 04:56:23 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a7i1n$ch6@news3.digex.net> References: <9612291656.AA01433@huelf.hamburg.com> Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote: > Q: What will the GUI of "AppleStep" look like?? > A: It will probably resemble today's MacOS-look a lot, since > Avie Tevanian said he doesn't want to aliennize current MaC-Users > away! Hmm, I didn't get the above impression at all... I thought the first version was pretty much going to be a port of the current system...UI and all... Regardless.... K Sarah, K Sarah :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: tzs@coho.halcyon.com (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 19:54:55 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus, Inc. - Professional Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a3tuf$31l@news1.halcyon.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Jason S. <jhsterne@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) >> >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) >> > >> So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is >> it I'm not surprised? > >Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time to propagate? But they generally only propogate *forward* in time. --Tim Smith
From: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ignore: Re: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Control: cancel <5a4bc3$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Sender: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Message-ID: <cancel.5a4bc3$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:54:48 GMT Cleaning up spew from broken gateway at nr1.vancouver.istar.net
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 30 Dec 1996 06:09:31 GMT Organization: ace dot net internet technologies Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> Wolfgang Keller (wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de) wrote: : Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the : fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ : (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X : protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS : as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage : of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties. There are X servers for NEXTSTEP which integrate X windows seamlessly into the nextstep desktop and the UNIX core of the OS lets you compile most X programs. Plus, NeXT's GUI is NXHost-able. -- # david young: +oo developer # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok)
From: dfox@belvdere.vip.best.com (David E. Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:18:23 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <slrn5cdrjm.52j.dfox@belvdere.vip.best.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> On 27 Dec 1996 16:42:06 GMT, Scott Hoppe <battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu> wrote: >They completely missed the joke this time, because the original poster didn't >use the Subject: 'PENPAL GREETINGS!'. Also there are related email viruses out there - most start out with "please view in full screen" or " I saw you(r) posting in Usenet and thought you might be interested" If you see that, delete immediately. Also watch out for emails with dollar signs in the Subject: line. >Scott Hoppe <battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu> >http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/people/shoppe/staff.htm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David E. Fox Tax Thanks for lettimg me dfox@belvdere.vip.best.com the change magnetic patterns root@belvedere.sbay.org churches on your hard disk. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bburdette@mindspring.com (Ben Burdette) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 06:49:10 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <bburdette-3012960151070001@user-37kbao9.dialup.mindspring.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net> In article <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Richard Fleming <rhflem@bhip.infi.net> wrote: > > >Lance Togar wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > >> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just > >> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because > >> we haven't seen the light. > >> > >> Oh well.... > > > >Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a > >higher life form! Oh Well... > > Ok, lets see. They've been on the planet a LOT longer than we have. > They take good care of their young - all of 'em. They spend very > little time killing each other. They've survived ALL of our high tech > attempts at extermination. Sounds like a success story to me and to > someone on the outside looking in, it might very well appear that THEY > have the upper hand. Doesn't sound like you're in much of a position > to judge life forms so... it's back to computers. > Oh, well.... Are you saying that cockroaches are more moral than humans? Or just that they have better survival capabilities as a species? Its sounds like to you its us versus the cockroaches, and if we can't exterminate them, they have the upper hand. If its survival in vast numbers you want, I would think that bacteria would be the "highest" form of life. Same for the length of stay on this planet. I think most people would agree that the conventional scale of development of species is based on the complexity of the organism and its behavior. Survivability is not the issue. For instance, I think most would consider the condor a higher form of life than E. Coli, but the condor is hovering at the brink of extinction. Moral development is not the issue either. And neither is vast numbers. Turning our attention to computers. I assume you are a PC advocate. If so, this would explain your survivalist thinking. If microsoft-intel prevails, then surely it must be because of their 'higher' development (read: survivability). Judging it according to your scale of species development, one might call it the 'cockroach' of computers.
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] NeXTmail change from Netscape Date: 30 Dec 1996 06:53:58 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-d-52.usc.edu Message-ID: <5a7ou6$p4a@usc.edu> References: <9612282144.AA17129@basil.icce.rug.nl> <5a6hq4$743@idiom.com> Cc: lusty@lusty.org In <5a6hq4$743@idiom.com> Lusty Wench wrote: > In article <9612282144.AA17129@basil.icce.rug.nl>, > Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> wrote: > >In article <<32C393B7.F8E@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, you wrote: > > > >> I just received NeXTmail from netscape3.0 running on my PowerMac. > > > >> The NeXTmail attached with some NEXTSTEP software. > > > >> How could I see original NeXTmail on my NeXTcube? > > > >1) get appnmail. > > 2) Use a MUA (mail user agent) like elm, that allows you to "bounce" a > received message to a new address. Of course this assumes that you can > divert email to your cube. Why not "just" use procmail to filter out NeXTMAIL and forward to separate mailbox via appnmail? I think Timothy J. Luoma does something like this. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 01:57:30 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Message-ID: <slrn5ce8ca.1bg.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> <59vrbv$j73@news.bctel.net> On 27 Dec 1996 06:46:23 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: >>> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. > >and what do you get bundled with that? At least Next comes with a host a >very useful apps and developers tools. Over 700 useful applications. (Debian GNU/Linux) -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming | jgoerzen@complete.org | Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXFax which modems? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:32:17 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32C7B620.2C8@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Derek Chan wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. The modem has > to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting the US Robotics > V.Everything but, have heard that US Robitics modems don't work with NXFax (I > couldn't get a 28.8 USR Sportster to work but, maybe the V.Everything will > work). Can anyone recommend anything? Supported Modems: NXFax has been tested with the following Class 2 fax modems: Boca 14.4 (Boca Research) Intel144/144E (Intel) MT1432BA (MultiTech) MultiTech MT1932 ZDX FXSA, FXMT, FXPKT (Practical Peripherals) SupraFAX 14.4 v32.bis (Supra) WorldBlazer, T3000 (Telebit) VFX (Zoom) all U-1496 models (ZyXEL) # They will be updated to 28.8/33.4 speed. Note that NXFax does not support Class 1 modems. ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/demos/comm/NXFax1.04.tar ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/demos/comm/ Black and White Software, Inc. Bridge Street Marketplace Waitsfield, VT 802-496-8500 802-496-5112 Fax sales@bandw.com YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Where is gcc on the NeXT? Date: 30 Dec 1996 13:14:38 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5a8f7u$cmm@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5a7l87$mtj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Cc: lones@lones.mit.edu In <5a7l87$mtj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Lones A Smith wrote: > I have the developer, but I just cannot find gcc in all the bin type of places. > I am on 3.2. > gcc is called 'cc' on NeXT. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep for Solaris Software Date: 30 Dec 1996 14:14:42 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <5a8ioi$ka6@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <jchan-ya023580002812962250300001@news.apk.net> Cc: jchan@apk.net In <jchan-ya023580002812962250300001@news.apk.net> Jerome Chan wrote: > Can someone recommend an ftp site for OpenStep for Solaris? I'm looking for > TeX and image related software. The ordinary NeXTTeX package should be included on the CD that NS is on, isn't it? The teTeX distribuition, precompiled for NeXT, is available at http://www.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de/~flight/stepTeX/ be sure to pickup the the dvi viewer TeXView.app, compiled for your flavor of NS. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love, rlove@neosoft.com (local) MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (permanent) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 30 Dec 96 06:58:43 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> References: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > > UNIX, Be OS, and DOS are not real time operating systems. The current > Mac OS is. > > What do you understand by 'realtime OS'? > > My definition would be: > No matter what application, what process is running, if you (or any > other process) enter any command, the system will execute this command > within a maximum guaranteed response time. > > In this sense, MacOS is, of course, _NOT AT ALL_ a realtime OS. I do not think the MacOS is a real-time OS. However, it does do better than Windoze at it. > Because _ANY_ application or process can _BLOCK_ the system > _COMPLETELY_, that means, the system cannot even guarantee that a > command entered by the user or any other process is executed _AT ALL_, > leave alone within a guaranteed execution time. Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does all the time. > As I understand it, the ability for pre-emptive multitasking is > _NECESSARY_ for realtime capabilitiy (so a non-pre-emptive OS like the > MacOS can _NEVER_ be a realtime OS), but it is of course not sufficient, > because pre-emptive multitasking can only guarantee that a command will > be executed _AT ALL_, but not necessarily within a certain maximum > response time. Actually RTOS's only have garanteed time delivery for certain tasks (usually). Usually you have special threads (or priorities) for those real-time tasks - different from regular threads. Macs have some of the these lower level threads - which is different from the higher level Application scheduling mechanism. As I said, I wouldn't qualify it at as a RTOS, but in many ways it outperforms windows for those tasks. Also since about '87 apple has delivers A/ROSE. Apple's Real-Time Operating System Extension. Take a guess what thats for?!?! Now it works with IO cards with a 68K on board and give them a real time OS that communicates with the Mac OS. Also many macs have I/O sub-systems (like little Apple]['s on a chip for managing I/O) that also have their own real-time OS. So it is a little vague. Macs have multiple real-time delivery systems... > P.S.: Real time capability is imho only relevant for OSes that are used > in embedded controllers and other systems where security is relevant, > but I don't think it is a major issue for any desktop (or server) OS for > 'standard' applications. Actually for data collection (sorta the embedded controllers) and for I/O functions they are critical as well. > Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the > fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ > (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X > protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS > as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage > of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. I don't know... Timbuktu and Apps like that seem to do a pretty damn good job. (arguably better than X). I like having both remote control, and collaboration capabilities, and file sharing all built into the same utility.... and hooking QuickDraw and displaying it local and remote does not seem too different from the concept of X. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Supra FAX Modem driver/Mach Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:26:17 GMT Organization: Vienna University, Austria Message-ID: <5a8mup$1tb0@www.univie.ac.at> Is there a driver for Supra FAX modems for fax in/out capability directly from nextstep/mach? Best Regards, Michael Alexander
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:28:01 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5a8n21$sb7@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <9612291656.AA01433@huelf.hamburg.com> In-Reply-To: <9612291656.AA01433@huelf.hamburg.com> On 12/29/96, Stefan Huelf wrote: > Q: > What will the GUI of "AppleStep" look like?? > > A: > It will probably resemble today's MacOS-look a lot, since Avie > Tevanian said he doesn't want to aliennize current MaC-Users away! > Hmm, reports I've seen *so far* indicate that it'll look much like NEXTSTEP. I guess there's also the possibility that the experimental 4.0UI might be used, since this is an OpenStep app rather than a NEXTSTEP app (as I presume Workspace is in 4.x?) > Speech-recognition is another feature that Steve Jobs might push > into "AppleStep", since he always craves for the best of all he can > get hold of. > Ha ha -- you'd be lucky. IMHO speech recognition still isn't ready for prime time -- recognition levels have to be in the 90%s for *continuous* *speaker-independent* recognition before it will reach widespread acceptibility, and really that would have to include *spoken language understanding*. There may be scope for using more simple voice commands for some interface interaction In this area, though, NeXT has a pretty good history: the first speech ASR system to break the 1000-word barrier for the main DARPA evaluation task was developedon NEXTSTEP by Kai Fu Lee, who subsequently went to work for Apple (on the Caspar project -- wahtever became of that?), although his work lived on in the SpeechKit product from Visus (a spin-off company from CMU). This was basically a 1000-word recognition system which you could build into any of your applications, and for which you could configure your own vocabulary, grammar etc. Quite outstanding technology for its time. There was also SimonSays, which did a good job at putting a speech UI onto NEXTSTEP, however it still doesn't get round the fact that using it involves talking to your computer. There may be some situations in which this might be acceptable, however in a crowded office environment social norms may have to chance a bit before ASR fits in for anything other than support for users in specialist situations (e.g. doctors wanting hands-free input during operations / entering patient records etc). For these areas, though, particularly when the vocabulary and grammar might be constrained, speech technology might be a winner. Just don't try to sell it as if it were HAL. > Products that will be available are the following (dd-961229): > The DTP-prgramm PasteUp 2.6 and 3.0 & the WriteUp - Word processor, > and Cambridge Animations ANIMO - a cartoon creating programm from > the UK! > Calling ANIMO a "cartoon creating programm" is a bit like calling an Aston Martin a truck! :-) An absolutely outstanding application. Here is one area where specialist speech recognition works, by the way -- there's a module in ANIMO which does limited speech recognition (aided perhaps by a script?) whic hcan then automatically sync a character's lip movements with whae he/she/it is saying. Very clever. > Improv 2.x (Lotus left the Apple Software Scene long time ago, > maybe they will come back to face their fears and tackle Excel. > Quantrix (from Lighthouse). > OmniWeb 3.x > With Java support. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Pattern Recognition Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:34:56 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5a8nf0$su2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5a765f$4d7@ralph.vnet.net> In-Reply-To: <5a765f$4d7@ralph.vnet.net> On 12/30/96, Timothy R. Mills wrote: > Does anyone know of any pattern recognition software currently running (or > planned to run) under NEXTSTEP/OpenStep? I'm interested in hearing about > any software utilizing neural nets, adaptive classifiers (genetic > algorithms), nearest neighbor, classification and regression trees, or > anything else? > I got Kohonen's Self Organising Map distribution compiled up on NEXTSTEP a while back, and created an app to view the nets in a couple of different ways -- wasn't too difficult. A couple of years ago I also developed a framework for a Blackboard system (for which I then implemented two knowledge sources for the first stages of a model of human sound source separation), which I'm thinking of exhuming... There was also a commercial app which did a *lot* of neural net stuff, allowed you to design your own nets, train them , display connections etc, but which I think went to the wall a year or two back? Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: thecros@winternet.com (Michael Charles Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:47:40 -0600 Organization: (missing) Message-ID: <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <32BF7B80.2981@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> About this "NEW" good times virus (ie the Pen Pals virus) I heard an interesting hypothesis as to it's origin. The original poster of said virus could have been trying to kill the Pen Pals thread he/she kept getting since he/she was tired of the spams. Kinda silly that the person didn't realize that his/her post/email would end up being an even bigger spam that the pen pals one (I haven't seen the pen pals but I HAVE seen the virus email) For what it's worth I think the NSA labeled this as a hoax about one hour after it was found (about two weeks ago). Have a good one all! Michael C Crosby -- -- http://www.cros.com/ It's just me....
From: antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Nextstep Video editing software -Black Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:56:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961230155500.KAA10749@ladder01.news.aol.com> Is there any out there
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:26:18 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c7ebd0.61667741@news.inlink.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> <carol1-2712961455040001@17.219.103.198> Basically I think that Apple should do a recompile for the 604/603 chips, finish the 68040 beta, add QuickTime Media layer, QuickDraw 3D and the other VRML 2 spec elements and perhaps a config setup like was planned for MacOS8. Something needs to be done on the internet end as well, providing a good, simple, graphical interface for setup. Perhaps just a .nib file?? I think that Apple could release these separately, as tasks to run under AppleStep (or whatever it will be called). The OS and the developers materials need to be sold at no more than 20% over cost. The main thing is to get stable product out the door, cheap enough for people to take the risk and invest in the product. Lots and lots of people. And all developers.
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 17:07:08 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > world without being under Unix. Whoa, hang on a second- Sendmail is a _router_, not a client! It's a 'router from hell' that everybody hates, and sometimes it needs a special guru just for itself trained in a course just for sendmail, just to half-work. Garbled or lost Email? Somebody's sendmail is misconfigured, or took sick. But it's _not_ something you'd have on a single-user client system! :) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: buddyc@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apache Web Server Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 11:16:07 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <32C6A757.1A37@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone kindly point me to a compiled (no source please :^)) version of the Apache Web Server for Openstep 4.1. Thanks! Buddy Cox
From: geordie@chapman.com (Geordie Korper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:49:39 -0600 Organization: Chapman and Cutler Distribution: inet Message-ID: <geordie-ya023480003012961049390001@kyrie> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de>, wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) wrote: :Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the :fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ :(even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X :protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS :as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage :of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. It has its own system for running remote applications. I have found that it works very well. -- Geordie Korper geordie@chapman.com ********************************************************************* * The text above should in no way be construed to represent the * * opinions of my employer, even if specifically stated to do so. * *********************************************************************
From: Gerald Wildgruber <gewil@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Has anyone built es-Shell on NeXT 3.3 Intel ? Date: 30 Dec 1996 19:15:52 +0100 Organization: Apatheia Corp. Sender: gewil@ue801be Distribution: world Message-ID: <x74th3aofb.fsf@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> I didn't succeed in compiling the es shell (v.0.84, a shell derived from Plan 9's rc) on my NeXT Intel machine; the compiler produces the following error: cd ~/es-0.84/ make cc -DNEXT -g -O -c access.c In file included from es.h:4, from access.c:6: stdenv.h:288: conflicting types for `longjmp' /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/i386/setjmp.h:10: previous declaration of `longjmp' *** Exit 1 Stop. Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Mon Dec 30 16:56:37 I'm not very expert in these things, so i unfortunately couldn't fix the problem myself. Any hints how to proceed ? Thanks for your time Gerald -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gerald Wildgruber No one can have an idea gewil@ue801be.ppp. once he starts really lrz-muenchen.de listening. - John Cage (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Pages by Pages Date: 30 Dec 1996 18:25:02 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> In-Reply-To: <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> On 12/24/96, "Gregory H. Anderson" wrote: >Ronald Pomeroy wrote: >> Pages still inspires me with its inovative interface. I dearly wish >> someone would re-create it. How about PasteUp ? :-) > >Not while I own the majority of AFS. I made no secret of my dislike for >Pages, and it wasn't just counter-marketing. I think PasteUp's style >sheet capabilities and master pages, combined with effective use of >document templates, accomplishes the important part of the design >consistency problem. Pages, in my view, was too extreme, and tried to >address a need that doesn't exist: low-end users being saved from >themselves while trying to create documents with high-end DTP features. > >At AFS, we prefer to let users think for themselves... 8^) > >Greg > I've never worked with PasteUp, so I can't comment on it. But I still lament the loss of Pages by Pages. Right now, I do most everything in TeX or LaTeX. I work with predefined style files (letter, article, book, ...) and pretty much just add content. I like that division of labor. And that's why I liked the basic idea behing Pages. Pages would never have had all the power of TeX, but it did have that totally gorgeous drag and drop interface ... :) But Greg's right. Pages did come off as if it was simply trying to save low-end users from themselves. The problem, I think, was that they never released the Designer's Toolkit that would have let you set up your own Design Models. If I could have set up customized letter, article and book models they way I can with TeX or LaTeX, I would have been very pleased. As it was, it was a half-finished product that offered little or no value unless by chance the bundled Design Models met all your needs. Still, of all the products that could really stand out on the NeXT MacOS, a new release of Pages that lived up to the original promise would be near the top of the list. Somebody still owns the code ... if only they could see the opportunity here. -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 30 Dec 1996 14:26:20 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com> In article <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com>, dwy@ace.net (David Young) wrote: > Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties. Disagree. It is theoretically possible to implement DPS on top of X, for example. Then it will look exactly like NEXTSTEP and behave almost the same, and you can interface to it identically using the AppKit. In fact this is more than theory; the GNUstep project is implementing this. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NXFax which modems? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:28:38 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec30.192838.19479@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <E36KC2.ADw@nidat.sub.org> In article <E36KC2.ADw@nidat.sub.org> Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) writes: > In article <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> dchan@dchan.earthlink.net > (Derek Chan) writes: > > I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. > > The modem has to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting > > the US Robotics V.Everything but, have heard that US Robitics > > modems don't work with NXFax (I couldn't get a 28.8 USR Sportster > > to work but, maybe the V.Everything will work). Can anyone > > recommend anything? Indeed they don't work with NXFax. > As far as I remember, the demo of NXFax came with a list of supported > modems (you can find it on Peak and Peanuts). Of course, this doesn't > cover modems that work but black&white don't support. The preffered modem seems to be anything from ZyXEL, but I believe that Supras should work, and many Rockwell based chipset modems will also work. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: NXFax which modems? Message-ID: <cdoutyE38r0C.5yD@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> <32C7B620.2C8@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:19:24 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom4.netcom.com In article <32C7B620.2C8@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> wrote: >Derek Chan wrote: >> I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. The modem has >> to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting the US Robotics >Supported Modems: >NXFax has been tested with the following Class 2 fax modems: [useful info snipped] Although it is not listed in the tested modems, my Hayes Accura 28.8 modem does seem to work with NXFax v1.03. In other words I have been able to send and receive faxes, but I don't know if I have missed faxes. NXFax reports this modem as: %> nazgul_fax: Unknown modem %> nazgul_fax: CL2 V4.00 YMMV. -Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: thoma@track.cslab.tuwien.ac.at (Johannes Thoma) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:49:28 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> Adam Bridge (abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us) wrote: > In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to > > > see it. > > > > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > > world without being under Unix. > > > > That's why Thomas said: > > "Disadvantages: > > Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up." > > And he's right! > > > > But all of this will be a small work for such biggie as Apple... > Hey -- that's a perfect example of something that I should NEVER have to > think much about. The IDEA of a superuser or sysadmin isn't part of a > personal computer -- it's my computer and it should be easy enough to use > so that I don't have to monkey around in the innards. Ask me a few > questions and then do the right thing to get set up -- it's a computer and > a computer is a tool to make life easier not to make life a pain -- that's > the reason I use a Mac. I almost NEVER think or worry about this stuff. > Adam Bridge -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: thoma@cslab.tuwien.ac.at snail mail: 1150 Wien, Maerzstrasse 75/24, Austria/Europe phone: 0222 (++431) 9833804
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:57:02 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> In article <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: |> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: |> > Steve Jobs had a 'famous' trip to Xerox where he became sold on |> > the idea of GUI, etc. |> Ah... some truth. |> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights |> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. |> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything more than just your opinion? Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pages by Pages Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:31:05 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5a98q9$g8n@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > I've never worked with PasteUp, so I can't comment on it. But > I still lament the loss of Pages by Pages. [...] > > But Greg's right. Pages did come off as if it was simply trying > to save low-end users from themselves. The problem, I think, > was that they never released the Designer's Toolkit that would > have let you set up your own Design Models. If I could have set > up customized letter, article and book models they way I can with > TeX or LaTeX, I would have been very pleased. As it was, it was > a half-finished product that offered little or no value unless > by chance the bundled Design Models met all your needs. I agree with this. Pages by Pages was a very promising concept, marred by the fact that they never got the designer's toolkit released. WebPages was a nice start on having a "word processor for web pages", although it's now (easily) surpassed by products from Go-Live, Adobe, and Claris. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 21:09:18 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5a9b1u$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net> In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: |> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the |> technology for the Macintosh, Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. |> and MIT developed X-Windows GUI interface consept. Well over a year after the Apple LISA was shipping GUI-based products, and about half a year after Apple was shipping the Macintosh. |> When the present head of the PARC unit found about all of the |> developments that weren't patented, he nearly had a coronary!!! No comment. |> The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this |> technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer |> consumer. Yes, he did. Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: juvvadi@cygnus.horizoncomp.com (Ramana R. Juvvadi) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 16:23:41 -0500 Organization: DIGEX Distribution: inet Message-ID: <m3g20n915u.fsf@cygnus.horizoncomp.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) writes: > Hey -- that's a perfect example of something that I should NEVER have to > think much about. The IDEA of a superuser or sysadmin isn't part of a > personal computer -- it's my computer and it should be easy enough to use > so that I don't have to monkey around in the innards. Ask me a few > questions and then do the right thing to get set up -- it's a computer and > a computer is a tool to make life easier not to make life a pain -- that's > the reason I use a Mac. I almost NEVER think or worry about this stuff. This model worked fine as long as PCs were not on the network. If you want to control access to your files on your PC you have to have some notion of users and permissions. Even for a single user PC superuser makes sense. Whenever you are in superuser mode you let your guard up. Whenever you are in user mode you let your guard down and relax. Other was you can end up inadvertently deleting your entire hard disk :-) Ramana
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who invented what? - here: 2.88MB - 3.5" Floppy drives Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:56:31 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <5a9dq7$h67@news.wco.com> References: <9612291709.AA01445@huelf.hamburg.com> Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote: >Steve Jobs invented the 2.88 netto (/ 4.0 brutto) >ED - 3.5" Floppy drives! ;-) No. Sony and Toshiba developed these in a joint effort. NeXT was among the first companies to design the drive into a piece of hardware. (Bonus points: name the other companies.) Mike Paquette -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@wco.com mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:01:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEED8CC9-12BBA5@198.68.42.138> References: <5a9b1u$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher C. Wood <christw@lexis-nexis.com> said: In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: >|> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the >|> technology for the Macintosh, > >Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC >did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a >GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. Nope. The bit-mapped, GUI-based Macintosh Project was started BEFORE Jobs went to PARC. Jef Raskin based the initial Mac concept on work he had done in his 1967 Master's Thesis: "The Quick Draw Graphics Engine," which implemented an early WYSIWYG printing/screen architecture. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: tone@wildfire.com (Tone <DoD>) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:22:32 GMT Organization: Wildfire Communications, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a9fb8$lme@gnus.wildfire.com> References: <5a7i1n$ch6@news3.digex.net> In article <5a7i1n$ch6@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: >Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote: >> Q: What will the GUI of "AppleStep" look like?? > >> A: It will probably resemble today's MacOS-look a lot, since >> Avie Tevanian said he doesn't want to aliennize current MaC-Users >> away! > > >Hmm, I didn't get the above impression at all... I thought the >first version was pretty much going to be a port of the current >system...UI and all... Regardless.... K Sarah, K Sarah :) >-- >Thanks, later, John Kheit NOTE: opinion follows BRACE YOURSELF Oh I _pray_ it will be Nextstep with minor embellishments borrowed from Apple. Anything else, and I will wonder if quality is somehow anathematic to success. In my paranoid mind, I fear that someone will swing the other way, cave in and copy the worst of Bill Gate's user interface "truths": 1. icons of 32x32 pixels are somehow visually appealing 2. Humans can manipulate resize bars of 2-3 pixels in size 3. Modality is good (popups should always be modal, use of daughter windws is good because otherwise someone would be tempted to let another application modify data contained within MY applications windows). 4. Toolbars are a usability plus with icons of 8x8 pixels. 5. Make sure every window has copies of menus so that screen space is used to least possible benefit to user 6. when slecting text, make embarassing assumptions that people care to select words at a time, somplicating every other possible intention 7. Font point sizes should be microscopic 8. "Wizards" are helping make this easy for the user 9. "Live scrolling" and opaque window moves are fancy doo-dads. 10 Scroll bars need not be proportional, and clicking above or below them should be the means of paging up or down, in order that the last few such operations on a large scroll target can require the user to place their mouse upon a single pixel because we saw someone successfully do that once in our usability lab (well, more of a cubicle, really). 11. The more concepts you have, the more you can teach the user. Therefore, add "program groups", "start menu entries", "desktop shortcuts", AND regular ol' find it in your browser and click on the right file of the 700 in the executable's directory. They can always use the "run a program wizard". 12. One of our vice-presidents has grown fond of that little menu accessible in the upper left of the window which replicates operations available by more natural mechanisms, therefore it must remain in our UI spec. 13. "Maximize" buttons rule because they offer a subtle means of concealing the fact that our environment has no real support for inter-application synergy (which they accomplish by ensuring that only one application has any screen space at any given moment). Can you tell I love MS? These are all fairly simple violations of common sense, yet MS finds the glaring mistakes easiest to make -- the little things they do wrong are what eats up all their midnight oil programming hours (my guess). tony
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pages by Pages Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:21:33 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a9f9d$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5a98q9$g8n@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: >> I've never worked with PasteUp, so I can't comment on it. But >> I still lament the loss of Pages by Pages. [...] >> >> But Greg's right. Pages did come off as if it was simply trying >> to save low-end users from themselves. The problem, I think, >> was that they never released the Designer's Toolkit that would >> have let you set up your own Design Models. If I could have set >> up customized letter, article and book models they way I can with >> TeX or LaTeX, I would have been very pleased. As it was, it was >> a half-finished product that offered little or no value unless >> by chance the bundled Design Models met all your needs. > >I agree with this. Pages by Pages was a very promising concept, >marred by the fact that they never got the designer's toolkit >released. WebPages was a nice start on having a "word >processor for web pages", although it's now (easily) surpassed >by products from Go-Live, Adobe, and Claris. > >--- >Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu >Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA Who ownes the code? Is there a chance Pages could be revived in light of the recent merger?
From: tone@wildfire.com (Tone <DoD>) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:35:02 GMT Organization: Wildfire Communications, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a9g2m$lti@gnus.wildfire.com> References: <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> In article <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) writes: >In article <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com>, dwy@ace.net (David Young) wrote: > >> Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties. > >Disagree. It is theoretically possible to implement DPS on top of X, >for example. Then it will look exactly like NEXTSTEP and behave almost >the same, and you can interface to it identically using the AppKit. In >fact this is more than theory; the GNUstep project is implementing this. I take it you don't regard involuntary user gagging as an ease of use penalty? :) tony
From: tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT OS for new buyers Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:34:57 -0800 Organization: ^self -> (CompSci/MolBiol) Message-ID: <tgritton-ya023180003012960934570001@news.sprynet.com> References: <lavalle-2812961418140001@port11.annex5.nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lavalle-2812961418140001@port11.annex5.nwlink.com>, lavalle@nwlink.com (Russ LaValle) wrote: >Hi everyone, > >All of a sudden, a LOT more people are interested in NeXT! > >I'd like to jump in on this OS. .... The question is, how to get it. .... >One important question: Do all NextStations have CD ROM drives built in? My needs exactly (Dev 3.3 CD for black). I've lost the URL but I saw a compatibilty list of CD drives compatible with Next black hardware and a number of the Apple drives were listed. So perhaps one could borrow a CD drive from ones Mac for loading the Dev software from the CD to a hard drive. -- -- Terry Gritton "Glycobiology - the new frontier of biosemiotics" tgritton@sprynet.com
From: "Gregory H. Anderson" <greg@afs.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pages by Pages Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:51:11 -0500 Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <32C8475F.5504@afs.com> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5a98q9$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <5a9f9d$qfe@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > Who owns the code? Is there a chance Pages could be revived in light > of the recent merger? As I posted the other day, Pages was shut down, and they sold the rights to Ted Shelton's company (ITS), which I believe is also defunct. The code was pretty hairy -- not something you'd look forward to converting to OPENSTEP. It would be easier to take the concept and reimplement it in an app that was already a decent text/graphics engine. Greg
From: tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:45:53 -0800 Organization: ^self -> (CompSci/MolBiol) Message-ID: <tgritton-ya023180003012960945530001@news.sprynet.com> References: <9612291656.AA01433@huelf.hamburg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <9612291656.AA01433@huelf.hamburg.com>, Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote: ... > >Speech-recognition is another feature that Steve Jobs might push >into "AppleStep", since he always craves for the best of all he can >get hold of. (NeXT has been living that, big screens since 1989, >2.88MB-Floppy, the Object-oriented environment that Taligent tried >to produce for Apple & IBM.....) One certainly hopes so. If you saw the Gates interview on the Charlie Rose show in December you might remember how he talked about 'ease of use' as the next big thing and in the same sentence he said 'speech recognition' and he said this twice. -- -- Terry Gritton "Glycobiology - the new frontier of biosemiotics" tgritton@sprynet.com
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:45:42 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a9gmm$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> thoma@track.cslab.tuwien.ac.at (Johannes Thoma) wrote: >Adam Bridge (abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us) wrote: >> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > >> > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >> > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to >> > > see it. >> > >> > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ >> > has to do sysadmin work!!!! >> > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in >> > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) >> > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside >> > world without being under Unix. The Admin tools under Next have a very easy to use UI. You need not know any unix to configure Next. I have my Intel up and running just fine on a T3 to the Internet and also networked to an original Nextstation without using the command line.....besides I know nothing about Unix commands anyway......
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Apple-><-NeXT == Bolo? Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:46:36 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Message-ID: <joel-3012961444090001@mfs-annex1-p31.dsphere.net> References: <59uknj$255@BLaCKSMITH.com> <E33KFp.xs@euler.han.de> Bolo is a multiplayer tank game that you play over the network or over the internet. It is a lot of fun, and up to eight or sixteen (I can't remember) players can play at once. Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pages by Pages Date: 30 Dec 1996 23:06:00 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <5a9hso$e2m@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5a98q9$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <5a9f9d$qfe@news.bctel.net> <32C8475F.5504@afs.com> In-Reply-To: <32C8475F.5504@afs.com> On 12/30/96, "Gregory H. Anderson" wrote: [ ... ] > >As I posted the other day, Pages was shut down, and they sold the rights >to Ted Shelton's company (ITS), which I believe is also defunct. The >code was pretty hairy -- not something you'd look forward to converting >to OPENSTEP. It would be easier to take the concept and reimplement it >in an app that was already a decent text/graphics engine. > ... speaking of decent text engines .... Does anyone else remember the Archetype Document Engine? I thought that was a terrific idea -- just add it to the OS and call it Enterprise Document Frameworks ... -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
From: thecros@winternet.com (Michael Charles Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> Control: cancel <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:44:36 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5a9gkk$h05@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: configuring Nextstep for the net Date: 30 Dec 1996 23:24:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961230232300.SAA21741@ladder01.news.aol.com> I could really use some help here this is making me pull out my hair
From: EASTERYI@chollian.dacom.co.kr (õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Financial software info needed! Date: 30 Dec 1996 23:23:25 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Message-ID: <5a9itd$v32$1@usenet.dacom.co.kr> Hi !~ you there. I'm working on financial programming. But here in Seoul, there ain'nt any info to look up, so if you have any tips or guide on this subject, please write to me now! I appreciate anything you wrote. I am planning to make a financial analysis software that will be used by stock companies as a dicision backup tool. Do here anybody interested in derivatives ? Thanks in advance. Easter T. Yi
From: sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:14:22 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 30 Dec 1996 17:07:08 GMT, jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) wrote: >In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: >> I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ >> has to do sysadmin work!!!! >> Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in >> the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) >> It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside >> world without being under Unix. > > Whoa, hang on a second- Sendmail is a _router_, not a client! Sendmail is everything. It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. My favorite sendmail bug: The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the /etc/passwd file with something like: root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh Makes for some very interesting weekends... 8*) -- Sang. ******************************************************** * Sang K. Choe sangria@inlink.com * * http://sangria.inlink.com/index.html * * finger: sang@sangria.inlink.com * ********************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Message-ID: <cdoutyE3967s.8M0@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <5a7i1n$ch6@news3.digex.net> <5a9fb8$lme@gnus.wildfire.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:47:52 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom4.netcom.com In article <5a9fb8$lme@gnus.wildfire.com>, Tone <DoD> <DoD> wrote: >NOTE: opinion follows BRACE YOURSELF > >Oh I _pray_ it will be Nextstep with minor embellishments borrowed from >Apple. Anything else, and I will wonder if quality is somehow anathematic >to success. In my paranoid mind, I fear that someone will swing the other >way, cave in and copy the worst of Bill Gate's user interface "truths": Amen. Hallelujah! The main reason I have stuck with NeXTSTEP since first scrounging up a cube in 1991 was the UI. I wanted UNIX for sure, and that motivated my original purchase, but this is the most beautiful UI I have ever used! Yes, NS can be improved with more keyboard/accessability features, etc. but I think the user interaction is superior to existing Mac and especially Windows/Motif systems. Let's hope there is a meeting of the minds wrt to the "look and feel" of the new OS and the bulk of NS is retained. Maybe I'm just biased, I bought an Amiga in 1985, not a Mac in 1984. #8^) -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:55:45 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >|> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >|> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. > >|> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. > >Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised >their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D >staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything >more than just your opinion? > I haven't seen any support for the 2 - 7 million figure but let's say it's right on. Xerox SHOULD have rented the widows/mice stuff in the same way that MS rented BASIC. Very poor management decision. Xerox got screwed - plain and simple.
From: mattw@staff.uiuc.edu (Matt Ward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need pop3D for NS 3.3 on black hardware Date: 31 Dec 1996 02:51:03 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: na Message-ID: <5a9v2n$8s6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Summary: Needed pop3 deamon for NS 3.3 on black hardware Keywords: mail pop Hi, I need a pop3 deamon that will run on a black next with NS 3.3 I have tried Torrey Mcmcahon's compilation of pop3d and cant get it to run. At boot the system reports pop3/tcp unknown service. I have it installed according to his directions. Any help would be great. Thanks -- Matt Ward mattw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinios CCSO
From: dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:05:50 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) wrote: >Sendmail is everything. >It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. >And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. >My favorite sendmail bug: >The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. >Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the >/etc/passwd file with something like: The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing /etc/passwd to the postmaster... Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the uudecode/uuencode aliases. David LeBlanc |Why would you want to have your desktop user, dleblanc@mindspring.com |your mere mortals, messing around with a 32-bit |minicomputer-class computing environment? |Scott McNealy
From: Tom Stepleton <ssteplet@artsci.wustl.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:35:14 -0600 Organization: Washington University in St. Louis, MO USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C889F2.5FCB4DAD@artsci.wustl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: christw@lexis-nexis.com CC: intrepid@internet1.net > In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: > > |> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the > |> technology for the Macintosh, > > Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC > did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a > GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. > > |> The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this > |> technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer > |> consumer. > > Yes, he did. You're both a tad off. Xerox did not develop *most* of the technology used in the Lisa and the Mac. It did, however, develop the concept of a graphical user interface until it was practical to use, and subsequently ignored it. In return for some stock deals, select Apple execs and developers, prodded by Jef Raskin, were allowed an afternoon visit to Xerox PARC. Steve Jobs left a changed man and soon determined that Apple's next high-performance machine, the Lisa, would have a GUI. Apple engineers set to work, remembering what they had seen over the visit to PARC. Though they replicated many of the concepts they saw, an essentially new GUI emerged, with new innovations like drop-down menus and a one-button mouse, to name a few. There were similarites; both had a background program called "Scavenger" that cleaned the drives, for example. There was no one company that did this. As usual, it falls in the gray area in between. I suggest you visit my Apple Lisa Web Page http://galena.tj.edu.inter.net/tom/ Followups redirected accordingly. Later, --Tom +-----------+---------------------------+ ____ | Stepleton | ssteplet@artsci.wustl.edu |>-------|\__/_/__ +-----------+---------------------------+ \________}
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who invented what? - here: 2.88MB - 3.5" Floppy drives Date: 31 Dec 1996 00:51:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5a9o1l$84d@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <9612291709.AA01445@huelf.hamburg.com> <5a9dq7$h67@news.wco.com> mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) wrote: > Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote: > > >Steve Jobs invented the 2.88 netto (/ 4.0 brutto) > >ED - 3.5" Floppy drives! ;-) > > No. Sony and Toshiba developed these in a joint effort. NeXT was > among the first companies to design the drive into a piece of > hardware. (Bonus points: name the other companies.) IBM had something with 2.88 floppies. A friend of mine gave me a bunch of 2.88 floppies that he no longer needed, because everyone else kept trying to use them as 1.44 floppies. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Paul Naton <pnatona@cts.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Can I Convert Next .snd files to Mac sound files? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:02:15 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <32C8AC5A.3B76@cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to convert Next .snd sound files to somthing my new Power Computing 604e mac can use? If I need a utility for the Next can you point the way to an FTP site? I have this HAL 9000 from 2001 startup sound thing I would like to use on the mac. Post here or E-Mail me. Thanks in advance Paul Naton Maximum Graphixs pnatona@cts.com Next Turbo color running NS 3.2 (black)
From: Paul Naton <pnatona@cts.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How do I Network Colorstation to Power Mac via ethernet? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:10:43 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <32C8AE54.7ED8@cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: comp.sys.next.hardware What is required to network my still cool but aging Turbo color Nextstation (3.2) to my new screaming fast Power Computing Powertower Pro 180? I hear it is pretty easy with ethernet. Any tips, comments, instructions or guidence would be helpful!!!! I am not a complete networking novice but have no experience getting a Slab to talk to a Mac. This may save me from getting a zip drive for the Next to transfer large graphics files back and forth. Mac and Next together atlast..........should have happened years ago........ love them both E-mail me or post in the newsgroup. Thanks Paul Naton pnatona@cts.com
From: wonko@madness.tmok.com (Wonko the Sane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: *MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 31 Dec 96 07:01:00 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (401) 885-4243 Message-ID: <slrn5chepa.189.wonko@madness.tmok.com> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <32BCD52A.F76@xmission.com> <slrn5brb4s.g89.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BE7A9D.5A67@mol.biol.ethz.ch> <slrn5btqbh.idl.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32BF901B.66BF@mol.biol.ethz.ch> <32C00B08.67A5@xmission.com> <slrn5c0crc.jod.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32C0697A.1CCE@xmission.com> <slrn5c3s05.189.wonko@madness.tmok.com> <32C2A1E8.1638@vlc.servicom.es> >Have you seen the specs for the SGI RealityMonster? yea, i REALLY want one, but, geez, can't really afford it. >1 ton of computer hardware... and worth every ounce. >I wonder if they could get one up my stairs...hmmmm... :) good luck!!!! :) -wonko
From: rworne@primenet.com (Robert Worne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mix for NeXT (motorola) Review Date: 31 Dec 1996 00:10:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <5aae8b$s80@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> After seeing the recent special on Mix from ilink, I thought I'd give it a shot... I am quite sick of my answering machine, and having to print on the NeXT laser printer and run it over to the fax machine got to be a royal pain in the behind. (I own a USR Sportster faxmodem, whose only virtue is that it works flawlessly with my ISP). Frankly, I never expected mix to work as well as it did, I was even more amazed that installation on my TurboColor took about 10 minutes, and the software required no "tweaking" in order for it to run... Aside from the basics: an answering machine, fax services, and data connection, there are a few more things it can do that ilink neglects to mention in their press releases: Fully programmable voicemail system (on the Plus package, which comes with the motorola version) that uses drag and drop objects to program how you want the system to behave. This includes faxback services. Additionally, labels and branch objects make complicated programming a snap. A final touch is a call object, that will call out to another number or pager. The capability of running *NIX applications, passing digits to these apps (via touch tones) from the mix application. The sound quality is superb, 8-bit 1 channel 8012Hz muLaw. How it works: Connected to the DSP port, a small black box (about the size of a CD case, but 1.5" thick) connects to the phone line. All the modem/fax/whatnot functions are performed in software on the Motorola DSP chip inside the NeXT. The mix software is also configured to allow sharing of the DSP chip with other applications. Machine load does not affect performance greatly, as least according to the documentation. The mix application does not seem to be a great resource pig either. Incoming calls can be heard over the speaker, as well as dial-out tones, such as the ones for the fax. (Here's a glitch I found, you may not hear it dial *all* the digits-especially if the machine is under load while dialing-but it does dial them all). The fax requires postscript documents for faxing (on faxback) or it will work like a regular faxmodem on the print menu. Finally, it has excellent documentation, since it was coming from Germany I was really concerned about the quality of the documentation, but it is more than adequate. Ordering from ilink was easy enough, they took my Visa and charged the appropriate amount in DM to the card, along with shipping costs (ilink ships via UPS international express, 1-2 business days for delivery, and it's ex-pen-sive). No glitches occured in shipment, except for an unexpected C.O.D. attachment for $16 that customs extorted off of me. My total cost for mix/motorola after all expenses was just shy of $400 US. Flaws: No apparent bugs that I can detect, and I've been playing with it all afternoon/evening. It must be run from an account (it is a windowserver application) that is currently logged in. When autostarted, the documentation does not make it clear that it starts up active or not (I have yet to find this out). I really cannot find anything bad to say about the mix application, except that the maximum speed for data connections is 2400 baud. Disclaimer: I do not work for, nor represent ilink in any way, I am just a customer. YMMV. All other standard disclaimers apply. The version I purchased was the motorola version, I suggest contacting ilink for more info as to what the packages (motorola/intel) include and their pricing. Their e-mail is: info@ilink.de --- Robert Worne NeXT-OS/2-MacOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Starving CS Undergrad: "Sorry, I don't do Windows! I'd rather starve!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my videogame collecting site! http://www.primenet.com/~rworne/
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 31 Dec 1996 05:42:12 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf6dd$3cb327c0$78c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> David Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote in article <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7>... > Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: >>Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only >>the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to >>work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what >>I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different >>things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does >>all the time. The Mac doesn't have PMT at any level. What the Mac does have is interrupt based services that can be used to guarantee a process gets adequate CPU time -- depending on the process. There is also the Time Manager and the Deferred Task Manager. You can program interrupts with plain old DOS.
From: "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 31 Dec 1996 07:23:54 GMT Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote in article <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net>... > carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: > >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > > > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > >> different processors by thier Mhz... > > > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit.
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Can I Convert Next .snd files to Mac sound files? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:15:08 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <32C8D997.4FE1@earthlink.net> References: <32C8AC5A.3B76@cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: pnatona@cts.com You should be able to use GISO.app on NeXT to convert the files. You could also get SoundApp for the Mac and convert the file (it reads and converts to and from NeXT .snds). Both should be available at many shareware sites. I would imagine it wouldn't be too hard to find Hal sounds in any format all over the net. STEVE K. ************************************ “Sorry Bill, I don’t do Windows!” ************************************
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:46:45 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aauf5$ibc@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> timdx@pacbell.net (Jeff Dallacqua) wrote: > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > wrote: > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? I don't know what other tools they used - I would expect that the artwork components were probably created on some other platform. I was referring to the game engine (and presumably some custom tools that aided development). -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok Want NeXTstep user environment info? Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/People/andrew/MacUsersGuideToNEXTSTEP/
From: marron@tornado.shands.ufl.edu (John Marron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Translating WP for Next to MS Word Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:19:56 GMT Organization: Shands Hospital Engineering Department Message-ID: <5ab7ec$rl1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> I don't know if this is an appropriate group for this question, but if not I appologize in advance. Myt office has just switched from using NeXT workstations to using PCs running windows 95. MS word and Windows seem to be unable to open any of our old Woerd Perfect for Next files, and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to how we can access our old files? Windows won't even open the files using Note/Wordpad, and it seems that we can't even convert the files to plain text. Any adivce would be greatly appreciated. John Marron Dept of Pediatrics University of Florida marron@tornado.shands.ufl.edu
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Perl for NeXT? Date: 31 Dec 1996 16:14:29 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <5abe55$1ro@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Is it freely available somewhere? Is it easy to install? Thanks, Lones .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: Zachery Joseph Bir <zbir@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Perl for NeXT? Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:42:23 -0500 Organization: Very little Message-ID: <mbt681ihdhs.fsf@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <5abe55$1ro@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) writes: > > Is it freely available somewhere? Is it easy to install? > Perl 5.003 is available as a NISH archive from: ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/pub/Objective/NeXT/Perl-5.003-3.X.pkg.tar I'm not sure when 5.004 will be released. Enjoy, Zac > Thanks, > Lones > > .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. > / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ > / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` > Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 > (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu -- Zachery J. Bir - zbir@indiana.edu http://seven.ucs.indiana.edu/~zbir/index.html
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 31 Dec 1996 17:25:53 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-3112961227490001@news.sover.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <m3g20n915u.fsf@cygnus.horizoncomp.com> In article <m3g20n915u.fsf@cygnus.horizoncomp.com>, juvvadi@cygnus.horizoncomp.com (Ramana R. Juvvadi) wrote: > Even for a single user PC superuser makes sense. Whenever you are in > superuser mode you let your guard up. Whenever you are in user mode > you let your guard down and relax. Other was you can end up inadvertently > deleting your entire hard disk :-) Standard Mac (and very likely NeXT) response- "Sorry, you cannot remove the disk with the active system software from the desktop." "Sorry, the file 'The Microkernel' is in use and cannot be deleted." "Are you sure you want to delete all files on the disk 'My _other_ disk without the system files on it but with lots of important stuff on it'? (cancel) (OK)" And _cancel_ had better be the default answer returned if you instinctively clear the dialog box by hitting return... This having-to-be-on-guard-every-second might give a nice adrenaline rush and sense of great power and responsibility, but it's just not worth it. Note that you can still wipe the hard disk- _only_ if you are paying attention and confirm a message in plain language saying that that's what you're doing. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:06:18 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5cilgn.pcq.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> >Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty >MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for >the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc >running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit. Bravo, a well reasoned and erudite argument! You're not a member of Toastmaster's are you by any chance? -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
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From: root@bytewarecafe.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 32meg 70ns 72pin EDO simm for $140 Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:42:02 GMT Organization: bytewarecafe.com Message-ID: <5abtqq$82l@newman.pcisys.net> We are a new site on the internet and we can supply your hardware needs. As a promotion to get our name out to you, we are running a special promotion on 32Meg simms. For a very limited time, we are selling 32Meg/70ns EDO simms for just 140+shipping and handling, delivered to your door within 2-3 days. Just go to our site www.bytewarecafe.com and fill out the necessary information about yourself and your credit card information. Goto the products list and choose the memory item. From here, select the memory you want and click on the invoice button to see your total charges. If you wish to browse the other hardware categories, feel free to browse for as long as you wish. If you wish to buy anything else, just select that item from that category. If you are satisfied with your selection(s) and your personal information is correct, click on the submit order button. The bytewarecafe.com server will respond with an order number and a time stamp. You will need these two numbers for any future correspondences with bytewarecafe.com Your order will be prepared and delivered to your door within 2-3 days. Thank you.
From: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 21:51:19 GMT Organization: Arkona, LLC Message-ID: <32c98859.56332712@news.xmission.com> References: <5a7i1n$ch6@news3.digex.net> <5a9fb8$lme@gnus.wildfire.com> <cdoutyE3967s.8M0@netcom.com> cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) wrote: >In article <5a9fb8$lme@gnus.wildfire.com>, Tone <DoD> <DoD> wrote: >>NOTE: opinion follows BRACE YOURSELF >> >>Oh I _pray_ it will be Nextstep with minor embellishments borrowed from >>Apple. Anything else, and I will wonder if quality is somehow anathematic >>to success. In my paranoid mind, I fear that someone will swing the other >>way, cave in and copy the worst of Bill Gate's user interface "truths": > >Amen. Hallelujah! I second that! >The main reason I have stuck with NeXTSTEP since first scrounging up a >cube in 1991 was the UI. I wanted UNIX for sure, and that motivated my >original purchase, but this is the most beautiful UI I have ever used! > >Yes, NS can be improved with more keyboard/accessability features, etc. >but I think the user interaction is superior to existing Mac and >especially Windows/Motif systems. Let's hope there is a meeting of the >minds wrt to the "look and feel" of the new OS and the bulk of NS is >retained. Actually, a great deal of keyboard/accessability features are in OPENSTEP 4.x. Instead of just "nextText", you now use "nextKeyView" which can point to pretty much anything... buttons, browsers, etc. (subclasses of NSView). Cheers, John Zollinger Software Engineering Director Arkona, LLC john_zollinger@arkona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9612311230.AA02069@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 96 13:30:40 +0100 Subject: AppleStep FAQs - updated 970101 HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF U, APPLE AND NeXT Fans and Supporters, this Year will be a GREAT ONE! I thought I'll contribute my share to this Tera-Event! ;-) This is to cover the most asked questions on the oncoming "AppleStep" Here are the "other" unofficial FAQs (my Opinion what Apple shoud do or Apple probably will do follow the Questions ;-) Most of this stuff might be history by January 7th, 1997, but this is so exciting that...., just read on: ------------------- AppleStep FAQs ------------------- ------------------- dd 97-01-01 ------------------- Q: What is the biggest advantage of the Apple/NeXT merger? A: The biggest advantage for Apple is the fact that you'll be able to build an application under "AppleStep" and deploy it on other platforms, like Solaris or WinNT (which are being held for the 2 most important Operating systems in the future (as Byte Magazine put it - Cover Story in '96). MHO: If Apple thinks about it, it also works the other way round. Since the actual OpenStep develoment with InterfaceBuilder supports WinNT look-and-feel (programmed with NeXT, but the finished programm looks like it has never ever seen any other platform than Windows), it might also support Solaris "look and feel". Then think of Solaris or NT devolopers just checking another field in the Apple/OpenStep enviroment and have versions of their Apps for AppleStep, Solaris and NT handy in one go! Apple should put most of its concentration on this goal, as the AppleStep OS gets ready!! Just also think of "AppleStep" running natively on Intel P7 , UltraSparc's 2 or picoJava / ultraJava - CPUs. Apple will be jamming with this!! Q: Will my 680x0-Apple run the new "AppleStep" OS?? A: Probably not. Apple's CTO Ellen Hancock pointed out that the Mk68-Apple will not be running the new OS, since Apple has to concentrate his 150 men (100 from NeXT, 50 from Apple) on the PowerMac and on the PPCplatform (formerly known as PreP or CHRP (Common Hardware Reference platform)), the PowerPC-spec. MHO: Apple might do a port to 68k - machines (if they have spare time ;-), but don't count on it, since the MacOS System 7.x will be enhanced and supported until 1998. So Apple does run on 2 tracks until then. Q: Will my 040 - NeXT run the new "AppleStep" OS?? A: No, Apple has enough work to do with its different iterations of PowerMac-machines. As far as the NeXT-OS OpenStep for Mach 4.1 is concerned, it will be kept up to date says Avie Tevanian, new head of the Apple Software Dev. Dept. MHO: Never will, sorry! I have got a lot of black boxes myself...... Q: What's the os-kernel base of "AppleStep"?? A: Apple is not firm on that one, at least what it says officially. It remains to be seen what really happens at the core of "AppleStep". Ellen Hancock talked about the fact that the NeXTengineers did a good job removing Unix from the core of the NeXT-OS. MHO: Ellen Hancock probably means that the kernel of Openstep got an abstract new form that doesn't to much resemble the normal Unix kernel formally known as Mach. (Remember when NeXTWORLD magazine talked about ObjectSoup ???) We might see a fundamentally new core for the Mac, since I still have NeXTengineers laughter in my ears, when I asked them for OpenStep on MacOS at ObjectWorld 95 in August 1995 in SF. In that "ask the engineers"-sesson, they told the audience, that Quote: "MacOS isn't good enough to put anything on top on..... it doesn't support anything!" Q: What will the GUI of "AppleStep" look like?? A: It will probably resemble today's MacOS-look a lot, since Avie Tevanian said he doesn't want to aliennize current MaC-Users away! MHO: In its first iteration (beta in July97) it will look like OpenStep, but later on in its final version in late 1997 it will more resemble the MacGUI or some new mixture... But the GUI could be anything, if Steve will convince Gil Amelio, it might even be that the GUI will really have something new that PC-Software Copycats can copy from Apple. (Take a close look to the icons on Win95 windows, they are copied from the NeXT environment, already) Since the actual OpenStep develoment with InterfaceBuilder supports WinNT look-and-feel (programmed with NeXT, but the finished programm looks like it has never ever seen any other platform than Windows), one will probably see the first Apple GUI to do so. Even a command-bar like Win95 features is possible (The OpenStep for Mach 4.0 sneak-preview at ObjectWorld 95 in SF done by NeXT has also shown one for Openstep (though history teaches us it turned out later that it wasn't used and now is called a design-study). Speech-recognition is another feature that Steve Jobs might push into "AppleStep", since he always craves for the best of all he can get hold of. (NeXT has been living that, big screens since 1989, 2.88MB-Floppy, the Object-oriented environment that Taligent tried to produce for Apple & IBM all these years.....) Let me state a quote by Simson L. Garfinkel in his Analysis dd Dec 21st, 1996, published by San Jose Mercury news at this place: "When the history of Apple Computer is written, Steve Job's entire experience at NeXT may be seen as a 12-year-long skunkworks project" Q: Will "AppleStep" have all the features waited on for so long, like SMP, memory-protection, performance and stability also found in BeOS?? A: Yes, it will be based on the NeXT technology with Apple technology like Quicktime and others grafted on top. MHO: Yes, NeXTSTEP is a lot more mature then BeOS is today and it's network-ready and Internet-savy. (BTW: The WorldWideWeb has been created by Tim-Berners Lee of CERN, CH entirely on NeXTSTEP) There also is a lot of Software available on NeXTSTEP, shrinkwrap or custom-made. Companies like StoneDesign (www.stone.com) with Create or AFS with PasteUp and their trading-systems for NewYork stockmarket brokers or OneVison with his great DTP-package (www.onevision.de) have already done superior products, while Be is just at the beginning. (To quote Gil Amelio: We had to choose between soloution A and B. We chose A instead of BE!) As a WordPerfect representative put it in 1992, Quote: "NeXT has the best and most stable OS (NeXTSTEP 2.1) there is. I've never seen something like it. Prepare to receive a rock-solid Apple-OS! (Avie Tenavian does it again!) Q: What's the timeline?? A: MacOS System 7.x will get 2 updates, one in January 1997 and one in July 1997 (with the new looking GUI formerly referred to as the Copeland GUI). "AppleStep" will come out in a beta-release available for developers at the WWDC (World-Wide Developer Conference) in July 1997, followed by the final UserVersion at the end of 1997. Later in 1998 System-7-support will be added to "AppleStep". Q: Symetrical Multiprocessing (SMP) isn't implemented by NeXT yet. How come that Apple is so confident about "AppleStep" having SMP? A: Avie Tenavian has stated that implementing symetrical multiprocessing (SMP) into "AppleStep" will take about 3 months work. MHO: Mach already features support for SMP and even the first NeXTcube in 1988 was build by NeXT with SMP in mind. NeXT already had NeXTSTEP running SMP on 2 PPC 601 running at 50Mhz on their NeXTbrick prototype in 1992..... So this shouldn't be a problem. Q: NeXT Computer Inc, had a couple of SMP-prototype machines based on a PPC with 50Mhz in 1992/1993.. What happend to it, and who holds the rights and the knowledge to it? A: When NeXT had to drop their Hardware plans in the beginning of 1993 because of Apple & IBM putting pressure on Motorola, not to serve NeXT but Apple first (their HarwarePPC-design was still in the works until 1994) Canon got the rights to all the future NeXTHardware, like the NeXTbrick and them Nitros (68040 - 40 Mhz - NeXTs)! Then a new startup company, called FirePower (they consisted of 150 People coming from NeXT, Canon and Apple) got the rights to the hardware. This year, in February 1996, FirePower introduced the FirePower AustinPowerPlay^2, the spiritual descendent of the NeXTbrick, which was running WinNT on 2 PPCs as an SMP machine. FirePower said, that as soon as the PPCplatform spec. (formally known as PreP or CHRP - PPC Common Hardware Reference Platform) is finally set, it would be able to bring a Computer to market based on this new spec., within 4 weeks! Later down the road, Motorola aquired FirePower, so thats were the rights and the knowledge is today.... I am not sure if their (Motorolas) new MacOS-Clones are based on this design ( I believe not!). But the prototyes build by NeXT, I believe their were 4 of them, are sitting at some NeXTengineers home, which did port at least NeXTSTEP 3.3 on it in their spare time. MHO: But the Apple Halo machine with the Exponentials bipolar X704 - 500Mhz will bring Joy to the Apple / NeXT community. Maybe it will even be an SMP - Machine. Who knows????? ;-) Q: Who will port its Software to "AppleStep"?? A: Since the Metrowerks compiler for the MacOS, which accounts for 55,000 or 90% of the MacDevelopers using it, will be readily ported when the beta-release of "AppleStep" comes available in July 1997, there should not be any problem with general Software availability by the end of 1997, when the User will receive the final "AppleStep"-OS. NeXT already works together with Netscape on new software for serving the Internet, Sun and Javasoft pledged support, Apple's Claris will do port and Adobe will lift all of his products on "AppleStep" as soon as possible, it's chairman said. That means you will at least see the Navigator, Photoshop 4.x, Premiere 4.x, FrameMaker 5.x and Illustrator 6.x on "AppleStep" by the end of the year 1997. MHO: Chances are that you will also see Microsofts Office 97 on "AppleStep", because Microsoft has a strong position on the MacPlatform, it would like to hold. And they will do so, that's for sure! Secondly Metrowerks pledged to produce Plug-ins for InterfaceBuilder with their products, so this should close even the last gap between Apple and NeXT development enviroments, having Mac-stylish buttons and windows to build Apps with. Q: What products will be ported to "AppleStep" coming from NeXT 3rd Party developers A: Products that will be available are the following (dd-961231): The DTP-prgramm PasteUp 2.6 and 3.0 & the WriteUp - Word processor, and Cambridge Animations ANIMO - a cartoon creating programm from the UK! Furthermore Stone Design will port it's fine products to "AppleStep", like Create 4.x, DataPhile and its 3D-Modeler-Software. MHO: The biggest Developer for OpenStep and NeXTSTEP products, Lighthouse Design has become a Sun Microsystems Subdivision. Its new JavaPlan beta software Programm is full, and will be introduced this January. It's App-Icon looks like it will run under OpenStep. And rumors have it that Sun bought Lighthouse, to port all the OpenStep Products to Java!! But I believe Sun and Javasofts announced support doses mean that their nice products like Concurrence, Diagram, OmniWeb, OpenWrite, ParaSheet, Quantrix, TaskMaster, VarioData, WetPaint among others will be ported to "AppleStep" ASAP (as soon as possible) or run under Java atop of "AppleStep" My personal whishes for "AppleStep" are: Pixars SMP-version of Interactive Renderman (normal ver. shipped earlier with the NeXTOS), Improv 2.x (Lotus left the Apple Software Scene long time ago, maybe they will come back to face their fears and tackle Excel.) SoftWindows NT for AppleStep (just to be sure ;-) SGI's OpenGL - librarys Q: What about other platforms, since NeXTSTEP / OpenStep natively also runs on Intel and entry-level SunSparcs today?? A: Apple wanted to be sure to be able to also move to other platforms if the PowerPC fails to grab the market share it deserves. NeXT was the best choice they could have made, keeping this in mind. MHO: Since IBM isn't to sure about the PPC either, that is leaving only Motorola with having nothing to loose, Apple should think about its OS-future and also port it to other platforms. Prepare to see Apples 64bit-verison of "AppleStep" to eventually also run on Intels Merced (P7) and on Suns new UltraSparc2-ATX-boards. But the PowerPC's success does depend mostly on the success of the new "AppleStep" since Apple accounts for the most sold systems since the PPC-CPU saw the light. Also prepare to see a lot of great new Apple Hardware since Apple does not want to leave the high-end market entirely to clone makers which are normally the first (not anymore in 1997) to introduce the high-end-CPUs before Apple does. Just imagine a 300Mhz-portable Apple PowerBook based on the 603e, and a PPC-platform-spec.based Apple PowerPC with two X704 - Exponential - Chips running at 500Mhz each, using a 100Mhz PCI- Bus running the new MacOS "AppleStep" at speeds only Alpha-Chip users are used to! And then, these Systems are being able to use the Multi-bootloader ROM incooperated on the PowerPCplatform spec. So while AppleStep has to come to existence first (while you wait): You are able to boot from a multi-OS partioned harddisk with Apple's System 7.x / WinNT / Solaris 2.x until "AppleStep" comes to live! Isn't that something?? Q: Do Apple share's go up after Jan. 7th, 1997?? A: Apple wasn't available for any comment. MHO: Yes, as Apple's plans are revealed by this date, WallStreet will finally realize the downright boldness of Apple & NeXT's merger announced on Dec. 20th, 1996. To talk NeXTSTEP here: #import <usual_disclaimer.h> ------------------- AppleStep FAQs ------------------- ------------------- dd 97-01-01 ------------------- Copyleft: "AppleStep" is just a name to call it before Apple officialy gives it a name. (The confusion about the naming of the future MacOS made it to be a hybrid system, which it is not, nor Mac(h)OS, NeXTstep, NeXTSTEP, NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, OpenStep for Mach, , etc. (so many differnet names which are confusing for NeXT-newbies! ;-) Reporters got them all mixed up. ------------------- EOF ------------------- Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is b(l)ack stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) with AppleSTEP! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "When the history of Apple Computer is written, Steve Job's entire experience at NeXT may be seen as a 12-year-long skunkworks project" Simson L. Garfinkel in his Analysis dd Dec 21st, 1996, published by San Jose Mercury news
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From: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Perl for NeXT? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:36:30 GMT Organization: Arkona, LLC Message-ID: <32c994f8.1028248@news.xmission.com> References: <5abe55$1ro@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) wrote: >Is it freely available somewhere? Is it easy to install? Perl 5.0001 is included as part of OPENSTEP for Mach. You can also (usually) find the latest build of Perl in the archives. If you have some programming knowledge, it is also pretty easy to get the latest source and compile and install it. Good luck, John Zollinger Software Engineering Director Arkona, LLC john_zollinger@arkona.com
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