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From: Gomez_Modesto@msn.com (Ernesto Gomez) Subject: WTB: NextStep 3.2 or 3.3 for Next Slab Date: 30 Oct 96 01:18:52 -0800 Message-ID: <00001c43+00001581@msn.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) I am looking to buy NS 3.2 or 3.3 with the developer. Will consider all offers. Please e-mail all offers to: E-Mail:gomez_modesto@msn.com
From: Gomez_Modesto@msn.com (Ernesto Gomez) Subject: WTB: NextStep 3.2 or 3.3 for Next Slab Date: 30 Oct 96 01:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: <00001c43+00001582@msn.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) I am looking to buy NS 3.2 or 3.3 with the developer. Will consider all offers. Please e-mail all offers to: E-Mail:gomez_modesto@msn.com
From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: comp.dcom.net-analysis,comp.dcom.net-management,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.os.netware.security,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.networks.noctools.bugs,comp.networks.noctools.d,comp.sys.northstar Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:44:01 GMT Message-ID: <32.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months. think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more. That's ... because it WORKS ! So I thought, all those new users might make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago. Besides, whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted. Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you. Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1- Fern Suarez Mallorca 112 Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917 2- Philippe 2104 De Mexico Chomedey, Laval Quebec, Canada H7M 3C6 3- Natalie Jansen Lancveldlaan 18 5671 CN Nuenen Holland 4- Chad Collier 2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49 Placerville, CA 95667 5- Steve Boltinghouse 1009 Bird St. Hannibal, MO 63401 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!!
From: robin@batcomp.pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Alexandra help... Date: 30 Oct 1996 22:49:05 GMT Organization: PSW Technologies Message-ID: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> I have a copy of Alexandra (v0.8b), and it has developed a funny little "feature". It no longer seems to remember which articles I've read... It is as if it can't write to my newsrc file... If I re-create my newsrc, it works for a while -- then stops again. Anybody know what the deal is. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pswtech.com PSW Technologies 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 251-1737 (512) 343-6666
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:14:37 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> >I have been emailing this girl when I was either drunk or stoned, and >I don't remember what I wrote her when the the next day rolls >around. Is there anyway to get mail.app 3.2 to keep a copy of sent >items? If there is, is there a way to filter them into a seperate >mailbox? This would greatly help my chances of winning this girl >over. I posted this message a few weeks ago, and I wanted to update you all on the situation. I received many helpful posts from people, and I am very close to winning this girl over. She and I have been out on dates several times since I posted this message, and it looks like we might become a couple soon. I guess I owe everyone a big thank you. And for the gentleman that asked me to send him naked pictures of this girl standing next to my nextstation. They are in the mail! :) Thanks again, Josh --- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright -- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: Chris Morrow <morrowc@mrj.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to debug a script run by cron? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:02:03 -0500 Organization: Personal Internet Connectivity...and I HATE Bill Gates! Message-ID: <3276D33B.1190@mrj.com> References: <54l5n8$cc6@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Friendly wrote: > > I have a script I use to update various web files on my local machine > and copy them to a server. It works fine when I run it, but fails > when run by cron (from crontab.local), with the line: > > 05 6 * * * friendly /bin/csh -x /Users/friendly/Unix/bin/webupdate > > #!/bin/csh -x > First: Can I suggest you re-write this in /bin/sh ?? It allows stdout/stderr redirection and is much more portable than csh which does have the most annoying way of changing among OS's...or in PERL? A very nice almost completely portable scripting language... Either would help you to track down the problems you are having a little bit more easily... this could be re-written pretty easily...in perl, then the cpdir could be added as part ofthe script, or as a require/use statment at the top of the script... (here come the flames...oops.) (sh has some logging you can turn on and so does perl...I think that in perl it;s a -p ? you might try turning on the logging in your cpdir script and redirecting both stderr and stdout to a log file somewhere.) -Chris
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Totally screwed serial ports for output (4.0) Date: 30 Oct 1996 18:24:36 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <5586h4$b1e@netty.york.ac.uk> Has *anybody* out there got their serial ports to work under NS4.0 ? I am trying to do something very simple - connect a terminal to a PC ryunning NS. I have the 16550 UARTs and am running 4.0. characters comming in from the line are fine - output sent to the line becomes totally mangled by NeXt's drivers for some reason... this worked fine under 3.3 ! As an example I tack on here the restuls fo sending /etc/passwd over the line: The file I sent looked like this: # You probably do NOT want to edit this file, because it is only read # during bootstrap or if YP is enabled. Please use either UserManager or nu # instead. # root::0:1:Operator:/:/bin/csh nobody:*:-2:-2::/private: agent:*:1:1::/private: daemon:*:1:1::/private: uucp:*:4:4::/usr/spool/uucppublic:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico news:*:6:6::/usr/spool/news:/bin/csh sybase:*:8:8:Sybase Administrator:/usr/sybase:/bin/csh me::20:20:My Account:/me:/bin/csh The file I got out at the far end looked like this: HELP!!!! -bat. --- output file ----- # # Yu pobblydo NOT want t eiNO wantt edt tisfile,becue it le beaus it is oly ea i isoly read # duin boostrapurn bosrp or if YP isrp ri P is enabl if Y i nbl fY seal if Y i enbl ifY senaled. Peas useeithPleaseuse ethe UserManaerhrUeranagerhr sraagerher UerMnagr or nu # nsea. root::01:O rot::0:1Operato::::1:Oprto:/:/bn/cshaor/:/bnch noodybnch noboy::-2-2::/priv::-:-2:/rvate: gent*:1:te agent:*:11::/rvate*::::/priate: ae:/riat: demn:::::/rvo:*:1:1:/pivae: ucp:*::4t: ucp*:::/u uc:*::4:usr/sp:*::::/ursp:*:4:::/usrsp::44:/srspo/uuppus/spoo/uuppuli:/sruucppubli:ur/i/ucp/ucic/li/ucpucico n/ucpuuio news::66:/urew:*::6::usrews*66::/urew:*66:/us/pol6:6:/srspol/nws:/i/s sybae:*:8:s ybas:*8:8:Syae e*:8:8Sbae AdministSyaseAdmnisrtr/usrsybase/binch m:::/bn/sh e:20:0:yh me::0:0:My A m::20:2:My A me::2:20:M A me:20:20M Acont:me:bin/sh # /sh # # Y pobblydo N# YupblyoN#Yu poblydo # Yupoblyd NOT antteiO wattedt tiO wantt et tisil,beue it lfl,bcu it lfilebece it le beausit t e baus it i lebasi is oly ea iisolyrly eaiisol read dun boos #dui bos #dunbostraurn bosbostapurn bosrpotrpurnborpotrprn bsp ori YP borporif Y irp r P sY isp riPisYP irp ri P i enali Yi nl fb i Y i nbl fYsalif nb f sa f Y n seal if Y i ebl il ifY ieblif senaed.PasuseitPleaseue eteUeranerrerngrnehrUeanaehrehrUrngerr ragrnagerr sagerhe rhr raaerhr rrsragrer rh raaerer UerMnaageher Uernagr r n r n Magr r u Mag or nu Mar or nu Mnag r n Mag or nu #ns nu #ns u nsea. roo roo roo ot::1O ro::: rt:0: ro:01Oprato:::1:pt::/bn/shar//nch shao/:/nch nar//nh naor/:/bnch nooybnc noboodbnch nbooynh nboy::-2-2::pri::-:-:/rate: :-:rvate: get*e en*e gen*::t get*:1:te gn:*:1:/rvt*:::11:/rvat*::/piarvae*::::priteate:::/prite: ae/rat: dem:::/ro*:1::/pivae: up:*:4: cp:*:4t: up:::4t: up*:::/u uc:*:::::/ uc*::4:usr/ u:*:4:s/ c:*:4:ur/ u::::urs:*:::/urp:*:p:*:::/usp::p:*::::/rsp*:4::usrp::44:/::/urp::4:/sso/uppus/spoo/uuppulpu/po/upuli:s/poouuppl:/sruucppbliuri/ucp/uci/li/ucpucco n/upuuo ews:66:/ue::6:usrws*6::/urew:*66s66:urew*6:/us/po6:6:/66:/uspl6:6:sspo/nws/i/s ss:/i/ sybae::8: bae::8: ybas*8::yae e:s*8::ya e*:8:8Sbae AdmnstSaeAdAdminisSyasedmnsrtruyseAdmirr/uyaseAmnsrtruysAdnstr/ysAdmirt/uyasedmirr/usryaebnr/ssbase/inrursbas/bich m::/nsh e:20:0:yh e:20::h :0:0yh e:200:y :2:0:y me::00:M A me:0::y me:::0:My m::202:M A m:2:2My ::2:2MyA me::2:20:M me:2:0M A me:20:20M A me:2020MAcont:me:bn/sh ot:me:bnsh :bn/h # sh # /h # /sh /sh /sh # Y po
From: Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Network + Microsoft Network Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:39:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5593hs$p3c@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <5585ce$rep@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> overeem.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Overeem) wrote: >Hey, I have a next machine and an intel dos machine. I have been trying >for some time to get ethernet to work between win95 and next os. Does >anyone know of a client/protocol that I could use to get the two to talk to >each other on a peer-peer network? How about TCP/IP? ;-) You need help understanding how it works? "TCP/IP Network Administration" by Craig Hunt, O'Reilly & Assoc. Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com>, office: ckuhtz@paranet.com Network/UNIX Specialist for Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ Supercomputing Junkie, et al MIME/NeXTmail accepted -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3ia mQCNAzJ1JCkAAAEEALzCoYhlxTLI4DID5KpQINF8KM4PUnrZxoL2aRRFAQNX9v9c 8uBySUqVDxfyylB6M/ptUezWIs6DLjz6b8jr8MX40vQf2jU2db6oMDh2axOeXlg2 KCSHryZ9kthnnXOVt0kHLN9XjM9DvwKU28RzvT7umEVmbHFyp64kVG961wkZAAUR tCVDaHJpc3RpYW4gS3VodHogPGt1aHR6QGl4Lm5ldGNvbS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMnUk Ka4kVG961wkZAQFztgP+IgHBCz/d1Sc10Qg0Wmu4KnhNb4E4KsPh96V/olwbQS+e frdWMxSHzX8hGD1p/KbuwlNRrDktmZgVc+n89FGEeGcq3z9WK3o22JsyjJTlzobY qJIZ5bdOx4dOimQ83ha9zjF+bRnw92t1jC/GJ+LRyOEVMzD5TtL7AMdODO8fNC8= =sRe0 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
From: tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Omni Web seems slow... WHY!! Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:32:27 GMT Organization: Depts. of Physics and Chemistry, Univ. of Washington Message-ID: <55933r$hhj@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <555bfi$r5o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > I am running omni web 2.0 on a NeXTstation turbo color with 32mb of ram. It > runs very slow, is this because of a lack of ram, or is it because the video > is very slow? Scrolling is slow, moving between open windows is slow, etc... > > Josh > It is almost certainly due to your lack of RAM, although there could be some other problem. I have OmniWeb on a TC with 80 Mb and, while no where near as fast as Netscape, it is certainly not terribly slow, and definitely not slow for things like moving between windows. Most likely you are downloading a few images, which Omni for better or worse just keeps in RAM, and once you start swapping everything slows rapidly. Hope this proves helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Applied Mathematical Sciences 515-294-9779 Ames Laboratory 515-432-9142 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@ameslab.gov Project Coordinator: Undergraduate Computational Engineering and Sciences http://uces.ameslab.gov/
From: dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: App to remind me of appointments Date: 30 Oct 1996 21:45:05 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <558i91$19s@news.onramp.net> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961029092410.12890B-100000@apollo10.Stanford.EDU> Cc: rjacobs@voyager.Stanford.EDU Robert Gibson Jacobs wrote: > Is there some nice app for Intel NS 3.3 I can run to remind me of upcoming > appointments? Something that would pop up a message 5 minutes before > appointments would be great. Date.app. It's on the NeXT ftp sites. -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep Developer - Anaheim, CA "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie
From: lenlutz@dca.net (lenlutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.printing,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.msx,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.pens,comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp Subject: Re: IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII MS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL 95 IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:09:34 GMT Organization: Your Organization Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5591ou$bsn@news.dca.net> References: <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII In article <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com>, noemail@aol.com says... > > >Due to personal financial hardships I find myself >in the unenviable position of trying to get back a >fraction of what I paid for this program. > >My retailer refuses returns on 'opened' software, >even if I haven't installed the package. Microsoft >couldn't care less about my situation, and >numerous pleas for an exception to their return >policy have fallen on deaf ears. > >Believe it or not, I need this money more than any >program, and I thought someone could at least >benefit from this awkward situation. > >To clarify, this is a store-bought full retail package >which contains 2 cd's (unopened), a license agreement >and manual, and includes the full versions of WORD and >EXCEL (versions 7.0) POWERPOINT, SCHEDULE, >ACCESS and BOOKSHELF. This is a stand alone >product and not an upgrade (you don't need older >versions to run it). > >It was my intention to put these programs on a shelf >somewhere until I needed them, but I do not have >that luxury. My resources are extremely limited and >I am at the point where this is the only responsible >thing to do. I'm just hoping there is someone out there >who can use these programs. > >Please contact me if you or someone you know >might be interested. I do not have my own email >address yet, however you can write to me at: > >M. Blank >Box 54 >Toronto, Ontario >M5A 1N1 > >Thank you and God Bless. > DUDE....... you done posted this in the WRONG group
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra help... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:41:25 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961030163802.27275A-100000@kira> References: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Robin Wilson <robin@batcomp.pswtech.com> In-Reply-To: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Good lord, 4 newsgroups for one problem? That's a little excessive, isn't it? Alexandra uses its own .newsrc, doesn't it? Something like '.newsrc.news.isp.com' ? Check the permissions, 'ls -l ~/.newsrc*' I've never had that problem with Alexandra. TjL ps -- followups to comp.sys.next.software On 30 Oct 1996, Robin Wilson wrote: > Date: 30 Oct 1996 22:49:05 GMT > From: Robin Wilson <robin@batcomp.pswtech.com> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs, comp.sys.next.misc, > comp.sys.next.programmer, comp.sys.next.software > Subject: Alexandra help... > > I have a copy of Alexandra (v0.8b), and it has developed a funny little > "feature". It no longer seems to remember which articles I've read... It is as > if it can't write to my newsrc file... > > If I re-create my newsrc, it works for a while -- then stops again. > > Anybody know what the deal is. > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > *** These are my opinions.... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Robin D. Wilson robin@pswtech.com PSW Technologies > 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy > Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759 > (512) 251-1737 (512) 343-6666 > >
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.net-analysis,comp.dcom.net-management,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.os.netware.security,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.networks.noctools.bugs,comp.networks.noctools.d,comp.sys.northstar From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: cmsg cancel <32.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Control: cancel <32.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Message-ID: <cancel.32.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Followup-to: junk References: <32.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:44:01 GMT Spam-cancel: "Just try this, it will work"
From: florinm@pathcom.com (Florin Mihaila) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app and hierachical Mailboxes ?? Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:12:28 GMT Organization: Pathway Communications Message-ID: <558qtd$3e3@news.pathcom.com> References: <Dzz9tx.AC@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <554jj3$q3p1@ddfservb.technet.net> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961029084431.14836A-100000@kira> tom@basil.icce.rug.nl (Tom Hageman) wrote: > >In the Name field of the Mailboxes panel, type: > > Quite/a/deep/hierarchy/for/such/a/puny/little/Mailbox > >and click the [New] button (this is quite essential, and it is >indeed not mentioned in the power tips:-/. It will offer to create >all directories leading up to Mailbox.mbox for you. Similar thing >works in the Save panel btw. > Well, I did that, and it created the inner mbox all right. I just don't see it in the Mailboxes window, so I can only access it by double clicking directly on it in the Workspace (no fun). Restarting Mail.app didn't change this. -- Florin Mihaila <florinm@pathcom.com> [NeXT Mail OK]
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: 31 Oct 1996 10:39:16 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-e-13.usc.edu Message-ID: <559vkk$6hg@usc.edu> References: <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu In <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Joshua Kerr wrote: > >I have been emailing this girl when I was either drunk or stoned, and > >I don't remember what I wrote her when the the next day rolls > >around. Is there anyway to get mail.app 3.2 to keep a copy of sent > >items? If there is, is there a way to filter them into a seperate > >mailbox? This would greatly help my chances of winning this girl > >over. > > I posted this message a few weeks ago, and I wanted to update you all > on the situation. I received many helpful posts from people, and I am > very close to winning this girl over. She and I have been out on > dates several times since I posted this message, and it looks like we > might become a couple soon. I guess I owe everyone a big thank you. > And for the gentleman that asked me to send him naked pictures of this > girl standing next to my nextstation. They are in the mail! :) Another satisfied NeXTer! -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: bmw@visgen.com (Bruce Walker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Network + Microsoft Network Date: 30 Oct 1996 20:02:27 -0500 Organization: Visible Genetics Inc. Message-ID: <558tr3$rk5@ampere.visgen.com> References: <5585ce$rep@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In article <5585ce$rep@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, David Overeem <overeem.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >Hey, I have a next machine and an intel dos machine. I have been trying >for some time to get ethernet to work between win95 and next os. Does >anyone know of a client/protocol that I could use to get the two to talk to >each other on a peer-peer network? First off, make sure you are using the MS TCP/IP protocol stack in Win95; remove both the NetPTUI and IPX/SPX protocols. Then, go get Samba: http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/samba.html Compile, config, enjoy! (BTW: OPeNSTEP 4.x comes with Samba preinstalled.) -bmw -- "No thanks, I'm just lurking..." Bruce M. Walker | Visible Genetics Inc. | bmw@visgen.com
From: Constantin Szallies <szallies@energotec.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra help... Date: 31 Oct 1996 09:30:31 GMT Organization: Tech Net GmbH Message-ID: <559rjn$gp31@ddfservb.technet.net> References: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> robin@batcomp.pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) wrote: >I have a copy of Alexandra (v0.8b), and it has developed a funny little >"feature". It no longer seems to remember which articles I've read... It is as >if it can't write to my newsrc file... > >If I re-create my newsrc, it works for a while -- then stops again. > >Anybody know what the deal is. I never heard of this problem before. Does Alexandra show read articles as unread or does Alexandra suddenly mark all articles as read? In the later case, there's a possible explanation: Maybe your news server administrator always resets the article's sequence numbers? The article sequence number is used to identify the article locally. There's a counter holding the highest used article number for each newsgroup and whenever a new article comes in, the counter is incremented and the new number is assigned to the article. Alexandra (and other newsreaders) use this local key to remember if an article was already read. There's a really stupid feature in INN which resets these numbers. I have no idea what it is good for. Just flame your news administrator and he will stop doing that! -- Constantin Szallies, Energotec GmbH szallies@energotec.de 49211-9144018
From: j.p.a.baalman@student.utwente.nl (Phi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.printing,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.msx,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.pens,comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp Subject: Re: IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII MS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL 95 IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:14:49 GMT Organization: University of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands Distribution: inet Message-ID: <55a1b0$s4l@dinkel.civ.utwente.nl> References: <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com> <5591ou$bsn@news.dca.net> lenlutz@dca.net (lenlutz) wrote: >In article <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com>, noemail@aol.com >says... >> >> >>Due to personal financial hardships I find myself >>in the unenviable position of trying to get back a >>fraction of what I paid for this program. >> >>My retailer refuses returns on 'opened' software, >>even if I haven't installed the package. Microsoft >>couldn't care less about my situation, and >>numerous pleas for an exception to their return >>policy have fallen on deaf ears. >> >>Believe it or not, I need this money more than any >>program, and I thought someone could at least >>benefit from this awkward situation. >> >>To clarify, this is a store-bought full retail package >>which contains 2 cd's (unopened), a license agreement >>and manual, and includes the full versions of WORD and >>EXCEL (versions 7.0) POWERPOINT, SCHEDULE, >>ACCESS and BOOKSHELF. This is a stand alone >>product and not an upgrade (you don't need older >>versions to run it). >> >>It was my intention to put these programs on a shelf >>somewhere until I needed them, but I do not have >>that luxury. My resources are extremely limited and >>I am at the point where this is the only responsible >>thing to do. I'm just hoping there is someone out there >>who can use these programs. >> >>Please contact me if you or someone you know >>might be interested. I do not have my own email >>address yet, however you can write to me at: >> >>M. Blank >>Box 54 >>Toronto, Ontario >>M5A 1N1 >> >>Thank you and God Bless. >> >DUDE....... you done posted this in the WRONG group If you need money, sell your PC and buy an MSX. PHIlippus
From: Uri Shkolnik <uri@harmonic.co.il> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Network + Microsoft Network Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:08:14 +0200 Organization: Harmonic Lightwaves Message-ID: <3278A4BE.6070@harmonic.co.il> References: <5585ce$rep@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <5593hs$p3c@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com> Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > overeem.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Overeem) wrote: > >Hey, I have a next machine and an intel dos machine. I have been trying > >for some time to get ethernet to work between win95 and next os. Does > >anyone know of a client/protocol that I could use to get the two to talk to > >each other on a peer-peer network? > > How about TCP/IP? ;-) > > You need help understanding how it works? "TCP/IP Network Administration" by > Craig Hunt, O'Reilly & Assoc. > > Cheers, > Chris > > -- > Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com>, office: ckuhtz@paranet.com > Network/UNIX Specialist for Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ > Supercomputing Junkie, et al MIME/NeXTmail accepted > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > > mQCNAzJ1JCkAAAEEALzCoYhlxTLI4DID5KpQINF8KM4PUnrZxoL2aRRFAQNX9v9c > 8uBySUqVDxfyylB6M/ptUezWIs6DLjz6b8jr8MX40vQf2jU2db6oMDh2axOeXlg2 > KCSHryZ9kthnnXOVt0kHLN9XjM9DvwKU28RzvT7umEVmbHFyp64kVG961wkZAAUR > tCVDaHJpc3RpYW4gS3VodHogPGt1aHR6QGl4Lm5ldGNvbS5jb20+iQCVAwUQMnUk > Ka4kVG961wkZAQFztgP+IgHBCz/d1Sc10Qg0Wmu4KnhNb4E4KsPh96V/olwbQS+e > frdWMxSHzX8hGD1p/KbuwlNRrDktmZgVc+n89FGEeGcq3z9WK3o22JsyjJTlzobY > qJIZ5bdOx4dOimQ83ha9zjF+bRnw92t1jC/GJ+LRyOEVMzD5TtL7AMdODO8fNC8= > =sRe0 > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----Samba. look at http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/samba.html
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: App to remind me of appointments Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:01:42 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961030165839.27275E-100000@kira> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961029092410.12890B-100000@apollo10.Stanford.EDU> <558i91$19s@news.onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Steve Dekorte <dekorte@suite.com> cc: rjacobs@voyager.Stanford.EDU In-Reply-To: <558i91$19s@news.onramp.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > Robert Gibson Jacobs wrote: > > Is there some nice app for Intel NS 3.3 I can run to remind me of > upcoming > > appointments? Something that would pop up a message 5 minutes before > > appointments would be great. > > Date.app. It's on the NeXT ftp sites. It is also m68k-only, therefore is no good to someone using Intel. you might try Cassandra or KFC (no, not chicken, Ken's Free Calendar) ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/clocks/Cassandra.1.7a.NISH.bs.tar.gz or ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/misc/KFC.9.1.NI.b.tar.gz > "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie It's also about control, perhaps the same thing. TjL
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra help... Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:47:16 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ImS=joa00Uzx01fg0M@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> <559rjn$gp31@ddfservb.technet.net> In-Reply-To: <559rjn$gp31@ddfservb.technet.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 31-Oct-96 Re: Alexandra help... by Constantin Szallies@ener > There's a really stupid feature in INN which resets these numbers. I have no > idea what it is good for. Just flame your news administrator and he will > stop doing that! 'ctlinnd renumber...' sometimes has to be used when the active file and the news database get wildly out of sync. Normally, the nightly expire process can deal with most problems, but sometimes stronger methods are needed. Renumbering the active file should never be done on a regular basis. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Omni Web seems slow... WHY!! Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E02r8w.7An@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 05:58:08 GMT References: <555bfi$r5o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <555bfi$r5o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, <joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu> wrote: >I am running omni web 2.0 on a NeXTstation turbo color with 32mb of ram. It >runs very slow, is this because of a lack of ram, or is it because the video >is very slow? Scrolling is slow, moving between open windows is slow, etc... > OmniWeb is a pig--it's not a fast program. However, the only slow part I've found is the HTML->SGMLObjects->RTF process. I don't find that it kills my whole machine. This is on a non-Turbo Dimension cube, BTW. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: robin@pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app and hierachical Mailboxes ?? Date: 31 Oct 1996 15:36:29 GMT Organization: PSW Technologies Message-ID: <55ah1t$k6c@digdug.pswtech.com> References: <Dzz9tx.AC@shinto.nbg.sub.org> tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) wrote: } Hi, } } I just browsed the 4.0 documentation and there it was again. } } "The mystery of hierarchical Mailboxes" } } The text claimed that resizing the Mailboxes window will add another column } and that if you select a Mailbox and enter another name you could create a } new level of mailboxes. } } I tried it on 3.3 and couldn't find the magic words. } } and I tried it on 4.0 today and I still havn't found the magic. } } } Please tell me that they just forgot to remove this none existing feature } from the power tips docu. Nope, the feature is _there_... Perhaps the way to nirvanna isn't well documented though. The way I acheive a heirarchy of mailboxes is to create directories within the "~/Mailboxes" directory on my account. For example: ~/Mailboxes/Projects/... ~/Mailboxes/People/... ~/Mailboxes/Misc/... etc. This works flawlessly for me, been using it since 3.3 came out. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pswtech.com PSW Technologies 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 251-1737 (512) 343-6666
From: Paul Heffernan <phef@cedar.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WANTED: WordProcessor Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:59:05 +0000 Organization: Cedar Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: <fBCliIAJzMeyEwjz@cedar.co.uk> References: <54tot1$2cc@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <54tot1$2cc@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com> writes > >Hi guys: > >alright, I need a WordProcessor for NS 3.3/m68k. I've looked into all sorts >of archives but couldn't find anything. Any suggestions? Pointers? >References? Donations? > >Regards, >Chris > Several people have mentioned our new word processor CedarWord in response to your query. We have sent a submission to comp.sys.next.announce to inform users of CedarWord that the current beta version expires on November 1. We have uploaded an update of the current beta version that will allow existing users to continue using CedarWord until the product launch in mid November. This version is available from http://www.cedar.co.uk along with a license key for unlimited use. FYI a single user license will be available to all users for 20 pounds sterling (about US$30). Floating multiuser licenses are also available. Paul. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Heffernan, Product Development Manager. Cedar Systems, 2440 The Quadrant, Aztec West, Bristol BS12 4AQ, UK Phone: +44 (0) 1454 878708 Fax : +44 (0) 1454 878608
From: j-beauch@staff.uiuc.edu (beauchamp james w) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Are big drives a problem for NEXTSTEP? Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:54:41 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <55ap51$ce7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <Pine.NXT.3.93.961021191530.7967B-100000@lipschitz> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961021181321.5135E-100000@kira> <326C6DF0.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> writes: >Timothy Luoma wrote: >> >> Over 2 gigs is not possible for NeXTStep without partitioning >> >> I believe that OpenStep has done away with this, but don't know for sure. >> >> TjL >> > >Still the same in OpenStep 4.0 >The limit is 2 GB. > >May be you have to reduce a new 2GB drive by one or two MB to fit in the >limit for sure. I shaw the OS4.0 installation splitting a 2GB drive in >two 1GB automatically. Go to fdisk while installing the OS and make a >2GB partition. We have a 9 gig drive partitioned into 4 2 Gig partitions and 1 1 Gig partition. It works fine. Jim Beauchamp
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app and hierachical Mailboxes ?? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:20:30 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961031101947.26073A-100000@kira> References: <Dzz9tx.AC@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <554jj3$q3p1@ddfservb.technet.net> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961029084431.14836A-100000@kira> <558qtd$3e3@news.pathcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Florin Mihaila <florinm@pathcom.com> In-Reply-To: <558qtd$3e3@news.pathcom.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com the mailboxes all have to start out in ~/Mailboxes, the rest of the path must go from there. not sure if I am sstating the obvious or what... TjL On 31 Oct 1996, Florin Mihaila wrote: > Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:12:28 GMT > From: Florin Mihaila <florinm@pathcom.com> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > Subject: Re: Mail.app and hierachical Mailboxes ?? > > tom@basil.icce.rug.nl (Tom Hageman) wrote: > > > >In the Name field of the Mailboxes panel, type: > > > > Quite/a/deep/hierarchy/for/such/a/puny/little/Mailbox > > > >and click the [New] button (this is quite essential, and it is > >indeed not mentioned in the power tips:-/. It will offer to create > >all directories leading up to Mailbox.mbox for you. Similar thing > >works in the Save panel btw. > > > > Well, I did that, and it created the inner mbox all right. I just > don't see it in the Mailboxes window, so I can only access it by > double clicking directly on it in the Workspace (no fun). Restarting > Mail.app didn't change this. > > -- > Florin Mihaila <florinm@pathcom.com> > [NeXT Mail OK] > >
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:25:47 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961031102137.26073B-100000@kira> References: <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Joshua Kerr <joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu> In-Reply-To: <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > I guess I owe everyone a big thank you. > And for the gentleman that asked me to send him naked pictures of this > girl standing next to my nextstation. They are in the mail! :) Now why didn't I think of that?? Josh, if she's naked and NeXT to your computer and you decide at that moment to take a picture, I just might lose all respect for you carpe diem TjL, thinking about replacing "diem" with another, perhaps more suggestive word, but deciding against it
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Is GateKeeper 2.0 B7 compatible with Openstep? Date: 31 Oct 1996 20:37:21 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <55b2m1$6ie@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I am running OpenStep 4.0, and I want to know if GateKeeper 2.0 b7 is compatible. I can't get it to work!!! It used to work great under NextStep 3.2, but now it doesn't want to do anything. Help me if you can! Josh BTW: I did rereference the locations of PPPD and CHAT in the GateKeeper preferences. -- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: App to remind me of appointments Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:59:36 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Oct31.215936.12317@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961030165839.27275E-100000@kira> In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961030165839.27275E-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: > > > Robert Gibson Jacobs wrote: > > > Is there some nice app for Intel NS 3.3 I can run to remind me of > > upcoming > > > appointments? Something that would pop up a message 5 minutes before > > > appointments would be great. > > > > Date.app. It's on the NeXT ftp sites. > > It is also m68k-only, therefore is no good to someone using Intel. > > you might try Cassandra or KFC (no, not chicken, Ken's Free Calendar) Don't forget Pencil Me In, from Sarrus. See http://www.sarrus.com/. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: schapman@geop.ubc.ca (Scott Chapman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenWrite with Speedbar Date: 1 Nov 1996 00:27:12 GMT Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC Message-ID: <55bg50$k3e@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <55b2m1$6ie@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I tried a demo version of OpenWrite awhile ago that had this feature called a Speedbar which was a tool bar that followed the window around. I just purchased the Academic Lighthouse CD and the Openwrite on it seems a pale comparison to the speedbar version. Anybody know where I can get this newer version? Scott Chapman
From: vadim@physics.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app and hierachical Mailboxes ?? Date: 1 Nov 1996 05:11:59 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <55c0qv$g52@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <Dzz9tx.AC@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <554jj3$q3p1@ddfservb.technet.net> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961029084431.14836A-100000@kira> <558qtd$3e3@news.pathcom.com> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961031101947.26073A-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org>, in reply to somebody else wrote: > > the mailboxes all have to start out in ~/Mailboxes, the rest of the path > must go from there. > > not sure if I am stating the obvious or what... > Your are stating the incorrect, or rather the not-quite-correct :-). Actually, you can root the mailbox tree in any directory you own (I use ~/Mail ). Click on Info/Preferences in Mail.app's menu, then pull the Expert tab: one of the options is the Mail directory, which *defaults* to ~/Mailboxes, but which you can set to anything you like. -- Vadim. ***************************************************************************** Vadim S. Kaplunovsky, | vadim@physics.utexas.edu (NextMail OK) Associate Professor of Physics, | #include <std_disclaimer.h> University of Texas at Austin. | #excuse bad_typing.
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Omni Web seems slow... WHY!! Date: 1 Nov 1996 01:43:37 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development Message-ID: <55bkk9$3ho@alice.turbocat.de> References: <555bfi$r5o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <55933r$hhj@nntp1.u.washington.edu> tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > > I am running omni web 2.0 on a NeXTstation turbo color with 32mb of ram. > It > > runs very slow, is this because of a lack of ram, or is it because the > video > > is very slow? Scrolling is slow, moving between open windows is slow, (...) > > It is almost certainly due to your lack of RAM, although there could be > some other problem. I have OmniWeb on a TC with 80 Mb and, while no where (...) Try to set your Cache Preferences to a shorter time and use a good proxy like squid. Playing with the Imaging Preferences (updates stuff) may also help. Maybe someone out there makes some benchmarks? _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Totally screwed serial ports for output (4.0) Date: 31 Oct 1996 21:11:59 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development Message-ID: <55b4mv$11o@alice.turbocat.de> References: <5586h4$b1e@netty.york.ac.uk> pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) wrote: > Has *anybody* out there got their serial ports to work under NS4.0 ? > I am trying to do something very simple - connect a terminal to a PC > ryunning NS. I have the 16550 UARTs and am running 4.0. characters comming > in from the line are fine - output sent to the line becomes totally mangled > by NeXt's drivers for some reason... this worked fine under 3.3 ! > > As an example I tack on here the restuls fo sending /etc/passwd over > the line: The file I sent looked like this: > (...) Make your .login look like this. # # This file gets executed once at login or window startup. # set noglob; eval `tset -Q -s`; unset noglob set term=$TERM stty decctlq intr "^C" erase "^?" kill "^U" stty pass8 pass8out stty -tabs cd . _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: What type are .fax-files for FaxReader.app? Date: 1 Nov 1996 01:25:00 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development Message-ID: <55bjhc$3ho@alice.turbocat.de> Hello! What type are .fax-files for FaxReader.app? I can open them with Preview.app if I change the name "myfax.fax" in "myfax.tiff" but it does not work the other way round. Is a Group 3 fax file the same as the .fax-files for FaxReader.app? Thanks in advance. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Is GateKeeper 2.0 B7 compatible with Openstep? Date: 1 Nov 1996 03:31:01 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <55bqtl$94f@nntp1.best.com> References: <55b2m1$6ie@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In-Reply-To: <55b2m1$6ie@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> On 10/31/96, Joshua Kerr wrote: >I am running OpenStep 4.0, and I want to know if GateKeeper 2.0 b7 is >compatible. I can't get it to work!!! It used to work great under >NextStep 3.2, but now it doesn't want to do anything. Help me if you >can! > >Josh > >BTW: >I did rereference the locations of PPPD and CHAT in the GateKeeper >preferences. > >-- >______________________________________________ >Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ >"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I >was the suspect." --Steven Wright I've got GateKeeper running just fine under OpenStep 4.x. You also may need to modify your syslog.conf file... the PPP distributed with OpenStep logs messages differently than the publically available PPP distribution (OpenStep PPP logs under daemon.debug, the oither PPP used to use ppp2.debug or somesuch if I remember correctly.) - Chris --
From: "Mario Ferrari" <mariof@cdc.it> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Virtuoso 2.0 Key Number Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:32:51 GMT Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Message-ID: <01bbc751$0ce17080$02ac2ac0@mario> Hi folks, Anyone out there have a Virtuoso 2.0 for NeXT (Motorola) to sell or at least a Key Number? Many thanks, Mario Ferrari
From: Pak K Yuen <pkyuen@its.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.printing,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.msx,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.pens,comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp Subject: Re: IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII MS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL 95 IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961031161358.24011D-100000@atrium24> References: <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com> <5591ou$bsn@news.dca.net> <55a1b0$s4l@dinkel.civ.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Phi <j.p.a.baalman@student.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <55a1b0$s4l@dinkel.civ.utwente.nl> What is a MSX ? Thanks, -Superpig __________________________________________________________ = Keep me on the Net = = http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~pkyuen/public_html/ = = hk1997yu@village.ios.com = = pkyuen@its.brooklyn.cuny.edu = ----------------------------------------------------------
From: leonardo.cohen@mail.telepac.pt (Leonardo Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Installing OpenStep 4 on a 200 mhz intel with NT4 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:51:56 +0000 Organization: EDITEK Message-ID: <leonardo.cohen-0111961251590001@oei2_p4.telepac.pt> References: <546pjb$1dk@chinx10.thoughtport.net> <54qguq$q3c@list.gatech.edu> In article <54qguq$q3c@list.gatech.edu>, bmeadows@acl.gatech.edu (Brian K. Meadows) wrote: > rwakeman@thoughtport.com wrote: > > >Has anybody installed OpenStep 4. on a 200mhz intel with NT4.0, via cd > >rom drive? From NextAnswers, it seems that it's easier in a pc with > >win95. If you have had success, please send me the step by step > >procedure. My machine can't read the cd disk. I'm one of those people > >who's used to black hardware just working. > >Thanks, > >Robert Wakeman > > >rwakeman@thoughtport.com > > We have OpenStep 4.0 with NT 4.0 server running on a Dell 200 MHz box. > Install went without a hitch, but we have all SCSI devices. I just installed yesterday Openstep on a Pentium 166 machine with both CD and HardDisk as IDE Drives. No SCSI at all! You just need to install the HardDisk and the CD on the same primary IDE channel, them set up the HD as a master and the CD as Slave. If you need NT and/or Windows 95 also on the machine, don´t forget to do all your partitions first using plain DOS. Good luck! Leonardo Cohen leonardo@editek.com leonardo.cohen@mail.editek.pt
From: leonardo.cohen@mail.telepac.pt (Leonardo Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help with NextStation Openstep Installation!! Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:53:57 +0000 Organization: EDITEK Message-ID: <leonardo.cohen-0111961254000001@oei2_p4.telepac.pt> Dear Friends, I need some help/advise on the problems that I have when I try to install NeXTStep/OpenStep on a NeXT Station Color Computer. - When I bought my NeXT it comes without any internal hard disk, so I had to buy the NeXTStep operation system and the hard drive. - I´m using a NeXT CD Rom, together with a Quantum ProDrive LPS Hard Disk (230Mb), SCSI ID 1 and another one, a fresh new Quantum XP31070W 1Gb, fast wide SCSI, also with ID 1. - All the hardware tests that the computer do are OK, including memory, SCSI etc. My ROM version of the NeXTStation Color is 2.4 (v65) - Everytime I try to do a floppy boot (using BFD), with the Openstep 4.0 Floppy for NeXT computers, I get the following error: ³Exception #3 (0xc) at 0x100034c² and it stops. It happened also with a very old pre-release copy of NeXTStep 3.1 - When I try to do a CD Rom boot for instalation, using ³BSD(1,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd1², It spins up the CD, then hang up for a moment and I got a message: ³no scsi disk² - I´ve tried all configurations possible with both Hard Drives. Well, any advise is greatly accepted! Best regards for all, and thanks for the help Leonardo Cohen EDITEK leonardo@editek.com leonardo.cohen@mail.telepac.pt
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: 1 Nov 1996 14:27:41 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <55d1ct$qbm@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) wrote: > I guess I owe everyone a big thank you. And for the gentleman > that asked me to send him naked pictures of this girl standing > next to my nextstation. They are in the mail! :) We here in the c.s.next groups are a close-knit, mature and very trustworthy bunch: if it's suitable for one of us to see, it's suitable for all of us. Go ahead, post the .TIFFs! ``This is an awkward transitional +--------------------------------------+ century: the help has gotten all | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 | uppity, but the robots aren't yet | jburton@nwu.edu | competent.'' -- Lloyd K. Marquis +--------------------------------------+
From: Roy Keeley <rkeeley@dibbs.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.printing,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.msx,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.pens,comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp Subject: Re: IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII MS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL 95 IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:50:06 -0600 Organization: Railway Express, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <327A0E1E.78AC@dibbs.net> References: <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com> <5591ou$bsn@news.dca.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lenlutz wrote: > > In article <32f5e411.9937539@news2.compulink.com>, noemail@aol.com > says... > > > > > >Due to personal financial hardships I find myself > >in the unenviable position of trying to get back a > >fraction of what I paid for this program. > > > >My retailer refuses returns on 'opened' software, > >even if I haven't installed the package. Microsoft > >couldn't care less about my situation, and > >numerous pleas for an exception to their return > >policy have fallen on deaf ears. > > > >Believe it or not, I need this money more than any > >program, and I thought someone could at least > >benefit from this awkward situation. > > > >To clarify, this is a store-bought full retail package > >which contains 2 cd's (unopened), a license agreement > >and manual, and includes the full versions of WORD and > >EXCEL (versions 7.0) POWERPOINT, SCHEDULE, > >ACCESS and BOOKSHELF. This is a stand alone > >product and not an upgrade (you don't need older > >versions to run it). > > > >It was my intention to put these programs on a shelf > >somewhere until I needed them, but I do not have > >that luxury. My resources are extremely limited and > >I am at the point where this is the only responsible > >thing to do. I'm just hoping there is someone out there > >who can use these programs. > > > >Please contact me if you or someone you know > >might be interested. I do not have my own email > >address yet, however you can write to me at: > > > >M. Blank > >Box 54 > >Toronto, Ontario > >M5A 1N1 > > > >Thank you and God Bless. > > > DUDE....... you done posted this in the WRONG group When you are mooching for money, the more groups the merrier. -- 73's Roy KC4IMC rkeeley@dibbs.net rkeeley@MAF.mobile.al.us kc4imc@maf.wa4wbi.ampr.org Snail Mail = 10675 Salt Aire Rd, E., Theodore, AL 36582, USA
From: suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: java compiler kaffe problem Date: 1 Nov 1996 14:58:07 GMT Organization: Alcatel/Bell Distribution: world Message-ID: <55d35v$20i@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <55428f$6g5@omrongw2.wg.omron.co.jp> LAO Shihong writes > > I tried to use kaffe to compile a java > program made by aCupOfCoffee, but it could > not load the library. > > I have aCupOfCoffee package under current directory, > and I have set up the CLASSPATH KAFFEHOME as > follows: > % setenv CLASSPATH .:/usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip > % setenv KAFFEHOME /usr/local/share/kaffe > > Why javac can not find aCupOfCoffee? > Somehow kaffe has problems with the import package.*; notation. If import aCupOfCoffee.*; is changed to import aCupOfCoffee.AbsoluteLayout; (and import aCupOfCoffee.Box; if necessary), it works. Interesting enough, even with the error you mentioned, it finds the classes later and it compiles well (I tried the result, it works): myhost> javac -verbose MyJavaClass.java [parsed MyJavaClass.java in 3190ms] MyJavaClass.java:7: Package aCupOfCoffee not found in import. import aCupOfCoffee.*; ^ [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/applet/Applet.class) in 330ms] [checking class MyJavaClass] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/Panel.class) in 10ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/Container.class) in 210ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/Component.class) in 290ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/lang/Object.class) in 230ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/image/ImageObserver.class) in 20ms] [loaded ./aCupOfCoffee/AbsoluteLayout.class in 270ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/LayoutManager.class) in 20ms] [loaded ./aCupOfCoffee/Box.class in 260ms] [loaded ./aCupOfCoffee/TransparentPanel.class in 20ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/Font.class) in 230ms] [loaded /usr/local/share/kaffe/classes.zip(java/awt/Button.class) in 30ms] [wrote MyJavaClass.class] 1 error [done in 8860ms] I may consider, in a future version of aCupOfCoffee, to generate the import working with kaffe instead of import aCupOfCoffee.*;, but I wonder if this is a known bug in kaffe? Yours, ------------------------ Ralf.Suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de | All opinions are mine.
From: dwy@mcny.com (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: java compiler kaffe problem Date: 1 Nov 1996 15:39:45 GMT Organization: Media Connection of New York, Inc. Message-ID: <55d5k1$g5s@alice.walrus.com> References: <55428f$6g5@omrongw2.wg.omron.co.jp> LAO Shihong (lao@zoo.ncl.omron.co.jp) wrote: : I tried to use kaffe to compile a java : program made by aCupOfCoffee, but it could : not load the library. As a side note, I integrated the SAWT awt replacement into kaffe last night. I watched a lame looking AWT window show up in my Xnext display on my NS/FIP box. Of course, this doesn't answer your question, but... -- # david young: network engineer+oop developer # net: dwy@mcny.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok) web: http://www.ace.net/ # vox: 212.686.3845 201.798.5217 fax: 212.686.3856
From: Technical Options <toi@mcs.net> Newsgroups: il.jobs.misc,fl.jobs,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,chi.jobs,biz.jobs Subject: N.C./ Chicago:(312)- OBJ C, Nextstep Developers Trading Systems Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:46:14 PDT Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <NEWTNews.11301.846871608.Postmaster@toi.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Multiple positions: S/W Engineers to S/R S/W Engineers Salary commenurate with experience, 40-90K Plus bonus. Match up Desired Skills: C++/C, Unix, Sun, Nextstep, Objective C, Sybase, Powerbuilder, X-windows, Motif, O/I toolkit The candidate should have 2-5 years plus experience. Eligible candidate should have the following skills: 1) Ability to handle multiple projects simultaneously 2) Ability to work under pressure in time critical situations 3) Problem solving and analytical capabilities Knowledge of one of the following a plus: - Financial Derivatives Business - Currency Options Pricing - Risk Management - Interest Rate Derivatives Contact Mike Hartnett for more information; Technical Options, Inc P-708.357.9400 F-708.357.9411
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc3.nerc.com> Message-ID: <199611011647.LAA05090@nerc3.nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 96 11:47:20 -0500 Subject: Keeping track of different timezones Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I seem to remember an app that would keep open different clocks that would show you the current time in different timezones. Anyone know anything like what I'm talking about? Thanks! TjL
From: Joe Freeman <joe@freemansoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: script to convert Next mailboxes to Netscape Mailboxes Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 21:21:19 -0500 Organization: Predatory News Services Message-ID: <327AB01F.79A9@freemansoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have about 5 mail boxes that I'd like to convert over to Netscape style mailboxes. Basicly I need to extract the mbox files out of each mailbox folder and name the mbox file to be that of the folder. In a perfect world I'd convert the Next attachment style to mime so that I wouldn't lose my attachments but it isn't that important. Has anyone written this kind of script? Thanks, <joe> PS: Thanks to everyone that helped me turn my nextstation into a pop server.
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Network + Microsoft Network Date: 1 Nov 1996 09:45:23 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <55cgrj$mr5@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <5585ce$rep@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> overeem.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Overeem) wrote: >Hey, I have a next machine and an intel dos machine. I have been trying >for some time to get ethernet to work between win95 and next os. Does >anyone know of a client/protocol that I could use to get the two to talk to >each other on a peer-peer network? What do you want them to talk about? TCP/IP is included both in NeXTstep and W95, and so you can use telnet, ftp, http... So you can log in to your NeXT from your W95, transfer files and even set up a Web server on one of your machines and use it from the other. If you want to share a printer, I don't know, if W95 includes a lpr client. If you want to share files and a printer it would be the easiest and cheapest way to get Samba for your NeXT (free on the net). Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra help... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 1 Nov 1996 09:29:43 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <55cfu7$mr5@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> robin@batcomp.pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) wrote: >I have a copy of Alexandra (v0.8b), and it has developed a funny little >"feature". It no longer seems to remember which articles I've read... It is as >if it can't write to my newsrc file... > >If I re-create my newsrc, it works for a while -- then stops again. I'm using 'Version 0.82 -- 8 February 1996' and have never had this problem. Michael Followup-To set... -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: gherman@NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE (Dinu Gherman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: VRML ? Date: 2 Nov 1996 15:22:34 GMT Organization: EMBL Heidelberg Distribution: world Message-ID: <55fovq$s2b@lion.embl-heidelberg.de> References: <551vkm$fu0@wfn.emn.fr> In article <551vkm$fu0@wfn.emn.fr> Christian.Colin@emn.fr (Christian Colin) writes: > > Does someone use a browser for VRML 2 on Nextstep 3.3 ? > Does someone write a VRML bundle for OmniWeb ? I'd just love to see this happen, especially with VRML 2.0 with all this fancy about autonomous objects (or nodes, maybe) behaving as specified in a script attached to them, sensors, etc. etc. Maybe we should ask Guido who's writing solidThinking? One could also think of WO classes modelling VRML nodes to enrich WebObjects sites with dynamic, even interactive (2.0) VRML. Oh, maybe I am just dreaming, folks... Dinu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: sr@rdbois.fdn.org (serge_ruby) Subject: Re: How to debug a script run by cron? Message-ID: <1996Nov1.222531.305@rdbois.uucp> Sender: sr@rdbois.uucp (serge_ruby) Organization: S.RUBY References: <3276D33B.1190@mrj.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:25:31 GMT In article <3276D33B.1190@mrj.com> Chris Morrow <morrowc@mrj.com> writes: > Michael Friendly wrote: > > > > I have a script I use to update various web files on my local machine > > and copy them to a server. It works fine when I run it, but fails > > when run by cron (from crontab.local), with the line: > > > > 05 6 * * * friendly /bin/csh -x /Users/friendly/Unix/bin/webupdate > > > > #!/bin/csh -x > > > > First: Can I suggest you re-write this in /bin/sh ?? It allows stdout/stderr > redirection and is much more portable than csh which does have the most > annoying way of changing among OS's...or in PERL? A very nice almost > completely portable scripting language... csh allows stdout/stderr redirection too: try > to redirect stdout and >& to redirect stdout and stderr. I never had any portability problem with csh, can you give an example ? > > Either would help you to track down the problems you are having a little bit > more easily... I don't see why (see above) > > this could be re-written pretty easily...in perl, then the cpdir could be > added as part ofthe script, or as a require/use statment at the top of the > script... > > (here come the flames...oops.) > (sh has some logging you can turn on How? Instead of saying it is better, you better give more details. >and so does perl...I think that in perl > it;s a -p ? you might try turning on the logging in your cpdir script and > redirecting both stderr and stdout to a log file somewhere.) > > > -Chris > Serge
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From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Keeping track of different timezones Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:03:10 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Nov2.230310.18225@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <199611011647.LAA05090@nerc3.nerc.com> In article <199611011647.LAA05090@nerc3.nerc.com> writes: > > I seem to remember an app that would keep open different clocks > that would show you the current time in different timezones. Sounds like WorldClock, which was an ITS app, of recent memory. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: mycroft@nntp.best.com (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Daydream software >v1.43? Date: 3 Nov 1996 12:25:34 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <55i2vu$err@nntp1.best.com> Hi. As of today I'm the proud new owner of a Daydream box... what I'm wondering is have they updated the software since v1.43? As cool as it is already, I'd like sound support. The docs say sound is "mostly unsupported" which suggests that it may have been in the works. I've looked at the Quix homepage <http://www.quix.ch/> but it's all about their MacOS PREP port, nothing about Daydream to be found. If there was an update, where might I find it? -- alex currier | "I think people are happy using Windows, mycroft@best.com | and that's an extremely depressing thought." alex@organic.com | -- Steve Jobs, 1/96
From: sk68@cornell.edu (Sung Ho Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Any speed difference between 3.0 & 3.2? Date: 3 Nov 1996 17:14:49 GMT Organization: Cornell University Sender: sk68@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu> Hi everyone, I seem to be living in the dark ages lately running NS 3.0 on my ND system when everyone is using 3.3 or 4.0 (and 4.1 just came out) but I had one question... is there any speed increase/decrease when upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2? I'm particularly concerned about this since my ND system seems to have a little trouble in the CPU and I/O department when competing with PCs nowadays. Thus I guess it's safe to say speed is an important factor. (Although we all know which hardware wins in the coolness department :-> ) Anyway, does anyone have any comments? Thanks a lot in advance. Sung Ho Kim sk68@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Omni Web seems slow... WHY!! Message-ID: <1996Nov2.162343.1095@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <55933r$hhj@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 16:23:43 GMT OmniWeb is slow on Next-Hardware, so I looked at a new app, Netsurfer.app, which appeared a few days ago on the ftp sites. Netsurfer is so incredibly slow, especially with pages with many small graphics (like dots, balls etc.), it takes several minutes to load a page! I wonder why Netscape can do all this things in a few seconds .... -- ----- Thomas Funke ----------------------- thomas@gamelan.shnet.org ----- C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung
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From: ts110@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Tomaz Slivnik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: 3 Nov 1996 22:55:40 GMT Organization: Cambridge University, Pure Mathematics and Mathematical Statistics Message-ID: <55j7tc$ql9@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Joshua W. Burton (jburton@nwu.edu) wrote: : We here in the c.s.next groups are a close-knit, mature and very : trustworthy bunch: if it's suitable for one of us to see, it's : suitable for all of us. Go ahead, post the .TIFFs! Yeah!
From: markm@winternet.com (Mark Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Strange behavior with PopOver.app Date: 4 Nov 1996 03:24:56 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Message-ID: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> On my color NeXTstation (running NS 3.3 and PPP 2.2 0.4.6) it appears that PopOver (version 1.5) will not automatically check my email after the first check upon startup. All three checkboxes in the "General" preferences section are active and the time interval for retrieving email is set at five minutes. Oddly enough, once PopOver is brought to the front, it will then properly auto-check for email correctly until it is shutdown. Has anybody else experienced this? Any advice as to how to make PopOver auto-check correctly would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Mark Miller | "The things that pass for knowledge I just markm@winternet.com | can't understand." - Steely Dan
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: 4 Nov 1996 04:52:06 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <55jspm$k4c@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <55j7tc$ql9@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <55j7tc$ql9@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Its not that I don't trust everyone, its just that......well......hmmm.....oh, I know, she doesn't want to violate her modeling contract by publishing naked pictures of herself on the net. Besides, wouldn't you rather see pictures of my NextStation? On 11/03/96, Tomaz Slivnik wrote: :Joshua W. Burton (jburton@nwu.edu) wrote: :: We here in the c.s.next groups are a close-knit, mature and very :: trustworthy bunch: if it's suitable for one of us to see, it's :: suitable for all of us. Go ahead, post the .TIFFs! : :Yeah! : -- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
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From: mycroft@nntp.best.com (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Daydream software >v1.43? Date: 4 Nov 1996 08:07:16 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <55k87k$gpg@nntp1.best.com> References: <55i2vu$err@nntp1.best.com> : Hi. As of today I'm the proud new owner of a Daydream box... what I'm : wondering is have they updated the software since v1.43? As cool as it is : already, I'd like sound support. The docs say sound is "mostly : unsupported" which suggests that it may have been in the works. I hate to follow up my own posts but I'd like to throw some more grease in the fire here... I've not had much success running more current software with the Daydream... applications like Illustrator 6, Quicken 6, Netscape 2.01, Fetch 3, Filemaker Pro 2, BBEdit 4 and a few others bomb with bad f-line instructions, illegal commands and whatnot. As I would suspect, older apps seem to work better. So it would be nice if someone at Quix has been hard at work adding in support for newer software and perhaps even system 7.5. So please, if you have any info to this effect, let me know. I'd hate to be stuck using two year old versions of things if I can help it, otherwise the Daydream box is merely a novelty which will quickly wear off. By the way, I'm writing this using tin via NCSA Telnet 2.7 / MacTCP / MacPPP, on the "daydream side" so a few things do work :) -- alex currier | "I think people are happy using Windows, mycroft@best.com | and that's an extremely depressing thought." alex@organic.com | -- Steve Jobs, 1/96
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Any speed difference between 3.0 & 3.2? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E0BL0L.87C@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:21:57 GMT References: <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu>, Sung Ho Kim <sk68@cornell.edu> wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I seem to be living in the dark ages lately running NS 3.0 on my ND system >when everyone is using 3.3 or 4.0 (and 4.1 just came out) but I had one >question... is there any speed increase/decrease when upgrading from 3.0 >to 3.2? Yes. 3.2 is noticably snappier on a ND system than 3.0. I haven't tried anything higher. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
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From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange behavior with PopOver.app Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:12:38 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <55l156$fo@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> markm@winternet.com (Mark Miller) wrote: > On my color NeXTstation (running NS 3.3 and PPP 2.2 0.4.6) it > appears that PopOver (version 1.5) will not automatically check > my email after the first check upon startup. > > All three checkboxes in the "General" preferences section are > active and the time interval for retrieving email is set at five > minutes. > > Oddly enough, once PopOver is brought to the front, it will then > properly auto-check for email correctly until it is shutdown. > > Has anybody else experienced this? Any advice as to how to make > PopOver auto-check correctly would be appreciated. Same here. This is a bug In PoPOver which can only be eliminated by its author. By Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What type are .fax-files for FaxReader.app? Date: 4 Nov 1996 14:56:08 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <55l068$ilf@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <E0981q.LwH@euler.han.de> In article <E0981q.LwH@euler.han.de> js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) writes: > David Wetzel writes > > Hello! > > > > What type are .fax-files for FaxReader.app? > group 4 fax standard, I think. Mostly. But FaxReader _requires_ to see a "Page N of M" header in these TIFF files. Software like HylaFax does not generate that header filed in it's (multi page) TIFF files. (I hacked Sam Lefflers tiffcp from his TIFF lib to insert such fields in HylaFax files and thus made FaxReader.app happy) Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Email:droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer
From: fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: VRML - Viewer for NeXT ? Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:32:17 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <55l2a1$jpt@stern.fokus.gmd.de> VRML - Viewer for NeXT ? Does anyone know about a VRML - Viewer for NeXT? thankyou Oliver Fox Tel.: +49 30 25 499 123 E-Mail: fox@fokus.gmd.de (NeXT mail welcome) GMD-FOKUS GMD - Forschungszentrum Informationstechnik GmbH GMD - German National Research Center for Information Technology
From: fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Graphic compress Tool Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:33:06 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <55l2bi$jpu@stern.fokus.gmd.de> Graphic compress Tool Does anyone know about Tools , to dramatically reduce the storage size of Images. that means steps before converting it in a .jpeg thankyou Oliver Fox Tel.: +49 30 25 499 123 E-Mail: fox@fokus.gmd.de (NeXT mail welcome) GMD-FOKUS GMD - Forschungszentrum Informationstechnik GmbH GMD - German National Research Center for Information Technology
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange behavior with PopOver.app Date: 4 Nov 1996 17:27:23 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <55l91r$2f17@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> <55l156$fo@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Cc: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de In <55l156$fo@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > markm@winternet.com (Mark Miller) wrote: > > On my color NeXTstation (running NS 3.3 and PPP 2.2 0.4.6) it > > appears that PopOver (version 1.5) will not automatically check > > my email after the first check upon startup. > > > > All three checkboxes in the "General" preferences section are > > active and the time interval for retrieving email is set at five > > minutes. > > > > Oddly enough, once PopOver is brought to the front, it will then > > properly auto-check for email correctly until it is shutdown. > > > > Has anybody else experienced this? Any advice as to how to make > > PopOver auto-check correctly would be appreciated. > > Same here. This is a bug In PoPOver which can only be eliminated by its > author. > Hmmm. Never noticed that.. Since when possible I like to have stuff running in the background. Until the author fixes the problem you could consider writing/running a script that will pop your e-mail every 5 minutes when your ppp connection is up.. It isn't that hard.. And if you have multiple users you can modify the script to pop for their mail too. Randy rencsok@channelu.com
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange behavior with PopOver.app Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:05:11 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <55lb8n$qbp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> In-Reply-To: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> I sent the Author email about this problem, and he replied: >Unless PopOver is made key (or autolaunched from the dock), it won't >start its timed retrieval. This is a problem with DPS timed entries, >and has no good workaround. I hope this clears up any questions you had about Popover. On 11/03/96, Mark Miller wrote: :On my color NeXTstation (running NS 3.3 and PPP 2.2 0.4.6) it :appears that PopOver (version 1.5) will not automatically check :my email after the first check upon startup. : :All three checkboxes in the "General" preferences section are :active and the time interval for retrieving email is set at five :minutes. : :Oddly enough, once PopOver is brought to the front, it will then :properly auto-check for email correctly until it is shutdown. : :Has anybody else experienced this? Any advice as to how to make :PopOver auto-check correctly would be appreciated. : :Thanks in advance. : :-- :Mark Miller | "The things that pass for knowledge I just :markm@winternet.com | can't understand." - Steely Dan : -- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Any speed difference between 3.0 & 3.2? Date: 4 Nov 1996 17:22:56 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <55l8pg$2f17@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu> <E0BL0L.87C@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Cc: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca In <E0BL0L.87C@novice.uwaterloo.ca> David Evans wrote: > In article <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu>, > Sung Ho Kim <sk68@cornell.edu> wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I seem to be living in the dark ages lately running NS 3.0 on my ND system > >when everyone is using 3.3 or 4.0 (and 4.1 just came out) but I had one > >question... is there any speed increase/decrease when upgrading from 3.0 > >to 3.2? > > Yes. 3.2 is noticably snappier on a ND system than 3.0. > I haven't tried anything higher. I was going to comment that I thought 3.0 was faster than 3.2 but perhaps it's been too long since I've used 3.0. I do know that 3.3 is noticably slower on my 25Mhz 040 ND (64/32) than 3.2 with EOF 1.0. Randy rencsok@channelu.com
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: SSS Quiz of the Month - last call ! Date: 4 Nov 1996 19:36:30 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Message-ID: <55lgju$o43@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for this month's SSS quiz! The correct answer hasn't been sent in yet, so everyone's heartily welcome to participate for another - the final - contest week. Please check out http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/index.html (which includes numerous hints to guide you towards the correct answer). Be the first one to answer the quiz question correctly, and win a free HelpViewer license (worth upto US$ 99), or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Any participants that already have sent in their answer (alas, an incorrect one), are also welcome to take a chance one more time! Have fun, - Stefan Stefan Schneider Software stefan@ping.at www.ping.at/members/stefan/ -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: "Art Taylor" <artt@nobeltec.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Update on my girl/mail problems. Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:15:06 GMT Organization: Nobeltec Corp. Message-ID: <01bbca7c$822c08e0$661137cf@artt1.nobeltec.com> References: <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joshua Kerr <joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu> wrote in article <558uht$gvt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>... > And for the gentleman that asked me to send him naked pictures of this > girl standing next to my nextstation. They are in the mail! :) Me too! erp...:-) -- Art Taylor Nobeltec Corporation 1505 NW Gilman Blvd., Suite 5, Issaquah, WA 98027 USA Vox: 206-391-9131 Fax: 206-391-9131 Email: artt@nobeltec.com Web: http://www.nobeltec.com NeXTMail: reeses@blarg.net
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: rateconv-1.5 and bzip available Date: 3 Nov 1996 13:42:37 GMT Organization: Psycho German Ninja Blitz Hackers On Steroids Message-ID: <55i7gd$ccu@gate.seicom.net> Howdy! You can now find nextified versions of the utility programs 'rateconv-1.5' and 'bzip-0.21' on my homepage and soon on peanuts: Have a nice day Frank ----- rateconv-1.5: RATECONV - a universal sample rate converter Copyright (c) 1992, 1995 by Markus Mummert ============================================ This is a universal tool to convert sample rates of audio signals consisting of signed 16bit data, mono or stereo. It is designed as stream filter around an effcient internal structure. On-the-fly conversions while recording or playing sound are possible although they depend on CPU-speed and other specific demands. It can also be used as a low-pass filter without changing rates. Target platforms are un*x systems. Its flexibility helps to overcome restrictions in quality, usable bandwith or rate-ratios inherent to other solutions. It is easy to outperform the quality of simple rate conversion schemes, e.g. the one which comes with the well known sound format conversion package `sox' by Lance Norskog (But `sox' seems great for all other types of format conversion). I 'ported' this software over to NeXTSTEP because all other sound rate conversion programs I found either suck all available memory for real *big* sound files, take forever to convert even on heavy metal machines or produce an output of miserable quality. This rateconv is a stream converter, it is reasonable fast, works in pretty minimal memory environments and produces very good quality IMHO. ----- bzip - written by Julian Seward Bzip compresses files using the Burrows-Wheeler-Fenwick block-sorting text compression algorithm. Compression is generally considerably better than that achieved by more conventional LZ77/LZ78-based compressors, and competitive with all but the best of the PPM family of statistical compressors. The command-line options are deliberately very similar to those of Gzip, but they are not identical. --- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: darwish@diderot.fre.jhu.edu (Miladus Edenensis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Location of PGP package Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:14:27 -0500 Organization: Pleroma Message-ID: <darwish-ya023180000511961314270001@news.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Could someone point me to where I could get the PGP package for NeXT. I am running a Cube with 3.3 Many thanks, -- I am the cook. May good teeth, strong stomach with you be! And since you have got down my book, you should get on with me... Nietzsche
From: Stephen Travis Pope <stp@create.ucsb.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Problems with NetInfo--some clients think they're stand-alone Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:29:36 -0800 Organization: CREATE: Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology, UCSB Message-ID: <327E6E50.34C5@create.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, We have 6 black machines here (a mix of cubes and slabs) and a couple of them recently started refusing to be polite NetInfo clients--they'll only boot as "stand-alone" machines. (The option for acting as a client is grey'ed out in the simple config application.) Is this a known problem for which a cure has been published? ...any reply appreciated... stp ___Stephen Travis Pope, Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology ___(CREATE), Dept. of Music, U. of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) ___Editor, Computer Music Journal (CMJ), MIT Press ___stp@create.ucsb.edu http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/
From: Stephen Travis Pope <stp@create.ucsb.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTs and YP Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:31:05 -0800 Organization: CREATE: Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology, UCSB Message-ID: <327E6EA9.102F@create.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, We have a mix of NeXT and Sun hardware here. Is there a well-known and simple way of making the NeXT machines be clients of Sun's yellow pages (like NetInfo)? ...any reply appreciated... stp ___Stephen Travis Pope, Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology ___(CREATE), Dept. of Music, U. of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) ___Editor, Computer Music Journal (CMJ), MIT Press ___stp@create.ucsb.edu http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/
From: roberto.arrocha@wcom.com (Roberto Arrocha) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Sound Blaster 16 driver Date: 4 Nov 1996 22:27:06 GMT Organization: WilTel Distribution: world Message-ID: <55lqjq$b4v@gateway.wiltel.com> I've got a DEC XL5120 PC running NS3.3 with the following sound card and driver: Sound Blaster 16 (8 and 16 bit DMA) (v3.33) This driver does not seem to work with the attached speakers: PRO Sound 3000. Correction, the driver works well for playing music from the CD-ROM drive, but not at all for NeXT-style sound files. What gives? -- Roberto Arrocha Project Manager, Architecture & Distributed Computing Group WorldCom Advanced Software Technology 8665 New Trails Drive The Woodlands, TX 77381 Phone: 713.364.4141 Email: roberto.arrocha@wcom.com Fax: 713.362.6415
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange behavior with PopOver.app Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:18:19 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961104201223.14456E-100000@kira> References: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Mark Miller <markm@winternet.com> cc: Jason Fosback <jfosback@pscwa.psca.com> In-Reply-To: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Yes, I have had the same problem. I "solved" it by changing to a script to pop my mail using the popOver binary that is called every 5 minutes by 'cron', something like this: #!/bin/sh if [ -r /etc/ppp/ppp0.pid ] then /usr/local/bin/popOver fi exit 0 I've got this in /etc/ppp/ip-up too: chmod go+r /etc/ppp/ppp0.pid TjL ps -- cc'd this to "jfosback@pscwa.psca.com" author of PopOver.app -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next On 4 Nov 1996, Mark Miller wrote: > Date: 4 Nov 1996 03:24:56 GMT > From: Mark Miller <markm@winternet.com> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > Subject: Strange behavior with PopOver.app > > On my color NeXTstation (running NS 3.3 and PPP 2.2 0.4.6) it > appears that PopOver (version 1.5) will not automatically check > my email after the first check upon startup. > > All three checkboxes in the "General" preferences section are > active and the time interval for retrieving email is set at five > minutes. > > Oddly enough, once PopOver is brought to the front, it will then > properly auto-check for email correctly until it is shutdown. > > Has anybody else experienced this? Any advice as to how to make > PopOver auto-check correctly would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Mark Miller | "The things that pass for knowledge I just > markm@winternet.com | can't understand." - Steely Dan > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: mwang@dr.lucent.com Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 driver Message-ID: <umxafsxjhn1.fsf@jeanluc.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: mwang@jeanluc Organization: AT&T References: <55lqjq$b4v@gateway.wiltel.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 04:22:10 GMT roberto.arrocha@wcom.com (Roberto Arrocha) writes: > > I've got a DEC XL5120 PC running NS3.3 with the following sound card and > driver: Sound Blaster 16 (8 and 16 bit DMA) (v3.33) > > This driver does not seem to work with the attached speakers: PRO Sound > 3000. Correction, the driver works well for playing music from the CD-ROM > drive, but not at all for NeXT-style sound files. What gives? > > -- > Roberto Arrocha > Project Manager, Architecture & Distributed Computing Group > WorldCom Advanced Software Technology > 8665 New Trails Drive > The Woodlands, TX 77381 Phone: 713.364.4141 > Email: roberto.arrocha@wcom.com Fax: 713.362.6415 Same here: I have a no name PC 486DX2 running NS3.2 and SB16(8 and 16 bit DMA) (not PnP). Also I know for sure it is an OEM not a "pretty box" off the shelf of COMPUSA or such. The CD ROM can play music under NS3.2 using a ear phone plugged into the ear phone plug on the front face of the CD ROM drive. The music signal can not get to the ear phone plug,or to the audio out plug on the face plate of the SB16 card. However, under Win3.1 it works fine and I can play music to an external HI FI receiver speaker. I have tried 2 different SB16 drivers for NS OS. Don't remember what version but they were downloaded from the ftp-next.peak.org site 6 month ago. Any help is appreciated. Michael Wang Lucent Technologies, Inc. mwang@dr.lucent.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc3.nerc.com> Message-ID: <199611050354.WAA01439@nerc3.nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 22:54:28 -0500 Subject: zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTStep 3.3 (m68k), history commands coming out wrong Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com zsh-3.0.1 compiled fine, but it is still way too slow when drawing the PROMPT and RPROMPT. Also, using the UP arrow to go back through history commands ends up with screwed up lines (mangled commands, old and new combined, etc). Anyone else having similar problems? I'm using Stuart.app 2.6.3+ under NS 3.3 patch1 TjL, still using 2.6-beta13
From: vsafran@ukrv.de (Volker Safran) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Problems with NetInfo--some clients think they're stand-alone Date: 5 Nov 1996 12:12:49 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <55nb01$2be@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <327E6E50.34C5@create.ucsb.edu> Cc: stp@create.ucsb.edu Stephen Travis Pope wrote in comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin: > > > Hello, > > We have 6 black machines here (a mix of cubes and slabs) and a couple > of them recently started refusing to be polite NetInfo > clients--they'll only boot as "stand-alone" machines. (The option for > acting as a client is grey'ed out in the simple config application.) > Is this a known problem for which a cure has been published? > > ...any reply appreciated... > SNS ist a known problem ... Have you made any changes to the net (routers etc.), the NetInfo- Server or any of the clients? Ensure that there is the correct ethernet address set in the NetInfo configuration domain for each client. Each client must be in one (sub)net and all clients must have an broadcasthost-entry in their local domain with the property "serves" and the value "../network". CIAO Volker PS: After first use of SNS, please use only NetInfoManager.app for making any changes. -- Volker Safran, Berlin, Germany ___________________________________ --- / Phone: +49 30 45482196 (private) volker@abulafia.in-berlin.de / +49 30 45058062 (at work) vsafran@ukrv.de (at work) / FAX : +49 30 45482198 (private) ______________________________/ +49 30 45058904 (at work)
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Any speed difference between 3.0 & 3.2? Date: 4 Nov 1996 23:34:31 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <55lui7$o4v@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu> sk68@cornell.edu (Sung Ho Kim) wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I seem to be living in the dark ages lately running NS 3.0 on my > ND system when everyone is using 3.3 or 4.0 (and 4.1 just came > out) but I had one question... is there any speed increase/decrease > when upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2? My guess is that things should get better going from NS-3.0 to 3.2 Depending on what you are doing, you may find NS-3.3 somewhat slower than NS-3.2. However, there is a patch for NS-3.3 which solves some of those problems. I would expect NS-4.0 or NS-4.1 to be slower, unless you have a lot of RAM. So, I guess I'm recommending either NS-3.2 or NS-3.3 plus patch 1. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange behavior with PopOver.app Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 04:37:53 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961105043428.7761B-100000@kira> References: <55jnm8$m2m@blackice.winternet.com> <55lb8n$qbp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <55lb8n$qbp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com On 4 Nov 1996, Joshua Kerr wrote: > Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:05:11 GMT > From: Joshua Kerr <joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > Subject: Re: Strange behavior with PopOver.app > > I sent the Author email about this problem, and he replied: > > >Unless PopOver is made key (or autolaunched from the dock), it won't > >start its timed retrieval. This is a problem with DPS timed entries, > >and has no good workaround. > > I hope this clears up any questions you had about Popover. aha, interesting. One might try getting the new open package (no so new now, but newer than the NeXT version) and use the "unhide" program therein to make PopOver.app key for example: # begin ip-up run PopOver && unhide PopOver #end ip-up both "run" and "unhide" are part of this package: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/util/open.1.0.README ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/util/open.1.0.pkg.NI.b.tar.gz TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Location of PGP package Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 04:44:05 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961105044143.7761C-100000@kira> References: <darwish-ya023180000511961314270001@news.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Miladus Edenensis <darwish@diderot.fre.jhu.edu> In-Reply-To: <darwish-ya023180000511961314270001@news.jhu.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com checkout for USA only version http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html for international version: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~staalesc/ TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Miladus Edenensis wrote: > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:14:27 -0500 > From: Miladus Edenensis <darwish@diderot.fre.jhu.edu> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > Subject: Location of PGP package > > Could someone point me to where I could get the PGP package for NeXT. I am > running a Cube with 3.3 > Many thanks, > > -- > I am the cook. May good teeth, strong stomach with you be! And since you > have got down my book, you should get on with me... > Nietzsche > >
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: SSS Quiz of the Month - last call ! Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 10:01:47 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <327F64EB.778EBA86@screaming.org> References: <55lgju$o43@peng.ping.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stefan Schneider wrote: > this is the last call for this month's SSS quiz! The correct answer > hasn't been sent in yet, so everyone's heartily welcome to participate > for another - the final - contest week. Please check out > > http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/index.html I read all of the hints, and came away wishing that the magazine was still available -- but not recognizing which periodical it was. Double Bummer. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which, when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it, doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Linux | NeXT | Be | Java| Friends don't let friends use windoze.
From: Karen Gray Edwards <edwards@asanet.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 11x17/1800 dpi printer? Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:42:10 -0800 Organization: American Sociological Association Message-ID: <327FB4B2.40D4@asanet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am working on NeXTStep 3.3 on black hardware. When I initially purchased the system, a Newgen 1200PST printer was somehow installed. That printer is dead. I desperately need to hook up a printer with 11x17 capabilities, minimum 1200dpi (preferable 1800dpi). We have been trying to connect a LaserMaster Unity 1800XLO, without success. Is anyone successfully working on a similar system with a 11x17 high resolution printer connected to it? If so, please let me know ASAP. I'm in dire straits here . . . PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY AT edwards@asanet.org If I successfully solve this, I will definitely post my results! Thanks. Karen Gray Edwards Director of Publications American Sociological Association
From: Str8.Man@Nice.Folks.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <55k1s8$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> Control: cancel <55k1s8$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:01:34 +1 Organization: Sprynet News Service Message-ID: <borra.55k1s8$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <55k1s8$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de. The Breidbart index was 676. See report "LOCATOR" in news.admin.net-abuse.announce. Subject was: @@@>> HOT COLLEGE BI-MALES!!! >PRIVATE< 1-900-825-6000 xt 9794.
From: "John W. Wooten" <wooten@sacam.oren.ortn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Location of PGP package Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 15:04:39 -0500 Organization: Private Consultant Message-ID: <327F9DB7.E91@sacam.oren.ortn.edu> References: <darwish-ya023180000511961314270001@news.jhu.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961105044143.7761C-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy Luoma wrote: > > checkout > for USA only version > http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html > > for international version: > http://www.ifi.uio.no/~staalesc/ > > TjL > > -- > Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site > Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat > NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next > http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next > > On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Miladus Edenensis wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:14:27 -0500 > > From: Miladus Edenensis <darwish@diderot.fre.jhu.edu> > > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > > Subject: Location of PGP package > > > > Could someone point me to where I could get the PGP package for NeXT. I am > > running a Cube with 3.3 > > Many thanks, > > > > -- I have encountered a problem where I had some files encrypted using an older version of pgp and then changed to pgp2.6.2. Now I find I can't read my older encrypted files. They keep saying that I have a bad packet type and need a newer version of pgp to read them, but I've got the latest version. I don't get a chance to enter a code phrase or anything. Pgp seems to recognize the files as pgp files, but says they need a secret key. Duh!! I know that and it knows that. What do I do now?
From: Rali@shrike.depaul.edu (Raz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT OS Date: 5 Nov 1996 20:54:01 GMT Organization: Depaul Univ. Message-ID: <Rali-0511961557560001@dept45.ac-sia.depaul.edu> Hi all, I currently own a Macintosh, however i always have wanted a NeXT since they came out. Recently i have noticed some local computer stores with used NeXT's. Before i take the plunge, can i use my Mac OS on next machines? Also what other OS' will run? What kind of software do i need? I dont think there are any new versions of Clarisworks or MS Word out for Nextstep. Please advise...thanks for all your help in advance :) Thanks, Rali@shrike.depaul.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Why does man kill? He kills for food. And not only food: frequently there must be a beverage." Woody Allen
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTStep 3.3 (m68k), history commands coming out wrong Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:30:35 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <AmTxkfK00Uzx82uQAn@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <199611050354.WAA01439@nerc3.nerc.com> In-Reply-To: <199611050354.WAA01439@nerc3.nerc.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 4-Nov-96 zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTStep .. by Timothy J Luoma@nerc3.ne > zsh-3.0.1 compiled fine, but it is still way too slow when drawing > the PROMPT and RPROMPT. > > Also, using the UP arrow to go back through history commands ends > up with screwed up lines (mangled commands, old and new combined, > etc). > > Anyone else having similar problems? > > I'm using Stuart.app 2.6.3+ under NS 3.3 patch1 Out of curiousity, what happens when you run zsh under Terminal.app? -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199611060135.RAA26284@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <AmTxkfK00Uzx82uQAn@andrew.cmu.edu> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 20:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTStep 3.3 (m68k), history commands coming out wrong Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: <199611050354.WAA01439@nerc3.nerc.com> <AmTxkfK00Uzx82uQAn@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Responding To: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Original Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:30:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <AmTxkfK00Uzx82uQAn@andrew.cmu.edu> > Out of curiousity, what happens when you run zsh under > Terminal.app? Same thing, slow drawing of the $PROMPT and $RPROMPT these are my prompt settings export RPROMPT='%S%t [%*]%s' export PROMPT='%S[OLD: $OLDPWD] [CURRENT: %~]%s ' # <--- DON'T LOSE THIS MARK here are my stty settings > stty everything new tty, speed 38400 baud, 30 rows, 100 columns even odd -raw -nl echo -lcase -tandem tabs -cbreak crt: (crtbs crterase crtkill ctlecho) -tostop -eucbksp -flusho -mdmbuf -litout pass8 -nohang pass8out -pendin -decctlq -noflsh -extproc TjL
From: mpemburn@erols.com (Mark Pemburn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Where to find software for HSD Scan-X Color? Date: 6 Nov 1996 02:57:02 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <55oupu$aiq@boursy.news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, My old Turbo color suffered a system oops that resulted in my having to reinstall the [3.2] OS (which would not have been possible without enormous help from Tim Luoma. Thanks!). One result of this, though, was the loss of the software for the scanner -- an HSD Scan-X Color. Since the main thing I use the system for is scanning, I am out of luck until I can find a replacement for the missing app. Can anyone suggest how to pursue this? Thanks in advance, Mark
From: mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net (mitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT on Cyrix PC Card? Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:18:13 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <mitchell.allen-0511962318130001@174.chicago-036.il.dial-access.att.net> I have a PowerMac with an Apple PC Compatibility card installed in a PCI slot. The Card has a 100MHz Cyriz 586 chip on it. Does anyone know of any way to install NeXT Step for Intel on this configuration? I appreciate any suggestions.
From: minuet@indy.net (Minuet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Some stupid comm questions Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 04:41:39 GMT Organization: NeXT - IUG Message-ID: <55p1dk$67g@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Hi! I am picking up a NeXTstaion in the next few days, and would like to use it (among other things)for internetting and for dialing up BBS's...my question is this: what good communications apps are available for the NeXT for dialing up BBS's? Also, what are good apps for usenet and internet mail? I really apologise for the stupid questions! Min
From: Kristin <sprout@inxpress.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Post script editor? Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:29:02 -0600 Organization: Computerese Information Network Message-ID: <3280140E.1800@inxpress.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi...I just got my hands on a next box for the first time, i believe it run 3.0. I'm trying to make it my own and i'm having a problem finding the perfect postscript editor. I realize that nextstep is the best out there for postscript editing, but i'm having problems finding an app to do it without saving the file, then 're-executing' it...using Yap. I know there must be an app out there to do edit on a more real time basis. Help? Also...since I am such a new user, any input on where to look for software on the web, and choice in a good browser for it? Any help would be appreciated.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTStep 3.3 (m68k), history commands coming out wrong Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:33:08 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QmU2AIO00UhB03A84W@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <199611050354.WAA01439@nerc3.nerc.com> <AmTxkfK00Uzx82uQAn@andrew.cmu.edu> <199611060135.RAA26284@PEAK.ORG> In-Reply-To: <199611060135.RAA26284@PEAK.ORG> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 5-Nov-96 Re: zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTS.. by Timothy J Luoma@peak.org > here are my stty settings > > > stty everything > > new tty, speed 38400 baud, 30 rows, 100 columns > even odd -raw -nl echo -lcase -tandem tabs -cbreak > crt: (crtbs crterase crtkill ctlecho) -tostop > -eucbksp -flusho -mdmbuf -litout pass8 -nohang > pass8out -pendin -decctlq -noflsh -extproc Hmm. Possibly the silly thing is trying to send padding due to the high baud rate you've chosen (that seems bizarre, but problems like this tend to be due to perverse reasons)? What happens when you run at 9600 baud, which is what the default is? Are you using the correct TERM and TERMCAP veriables? -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: andrew@inxpress.net (Andrew M. Priasmoro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GateKeeper and PPP Connection? Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 02:50:26 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: <andrew-0611960250260001@andrew.inxpress.net> Hi, I am using a GateKeeper and Throughport PPP 2.2 version for my Internet connection. The problem I am having right now is that everytime I unlink my PPP connection through the "Unlink" command from the GateKeeper and want to make a PPP connection again, I have to logout from my account and login as root then empty the contents of my "ppp-2.2.log" file in the usr/adm/ directory. Otherwise, I won't be able to re-establish the PPP connection either from my user or root accounts, since the OS thinks that the PPP is still connected, while actually the modem connection has been disconnected. My question is that does anyone know the ways to make PPP connection more convenient than the above method? In other words, are there solutions for making PPP connection from my user account without having to logout from my user account, login as root and delete the "ppp2.2.log" file? I think the important key here is to be able to delete the "ppp2.2.log" file from any accounts. Does anyone have pointers how to do this? Thanks in advance. Regards, Andrew.
From: friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca (Michael Friendly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions Subject: using rdist (or other) for remote file distribution Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:47:51 GMT Organization: York University, Ontario, Canada Message-ID: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> Anyone know what is required to use /usr/ucb/rdist for remote file distributon, ie, what is required on the remote host? I get permission denied trying to use it to maintain copies of local files on a remote AIX machine. There does not seem to be any way to supply a login password for use by rdist. Does it use .netrc? Is there some other software that allows one to maintain identical, up-to-date copies of files on a remote system? Most of the mirror software I've seen works in reverse -- updating local copies from the remote. -- Michael Friendly Internet: friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca (NeXTmail OK) Psychology Dept York University Voice: 416 736-5118 Fax: 416 736-5814 4700 Keele Street http://www.math.yorku.ca/SCS/friendly.html Toronto, ONT M3J 1P3 CANADA
From: robin@pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra help... Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:31:29 GMT Organization: PSW Technologies Message-ID: <55qb0h$et3@digdug.pswtech.com> References: <558m11$voc@digdug.pswtech.com> <559rjn$gp31@ddfservb.technet.net> Constantin Szallies <szallies@energotec.de> wrote: } robin@batcomp.pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) wrote: } >I have a copy of Alexandra (v0.8b), and it has developed a funny little } >"feature". It no longer seems to remember which articles I've read... It } is as } >if it can't write to my newsrc file... } > } >If I re-create my newsrc, it works for a while -- then stops again. } > } >Anybody know what the deal is. } } I never heard of this problem before. Does Alexandra show read articles as } unread or does Alexandra suddenly mark all articles as read? In the later } case, there's a possible explanation: } } Maybe your news server administrator always resets the article's sequence } numbers? The article sequence number is used to identify the article locally. } There's a counter holding the highest used article number for each newsgroup } and whenever a new article comes in, the counter is incremented and the new } number is assigned to the article. Alexandra (and other newsreaders) use this } local key to remember if an article was already read. } } There's a really stupid feature in INN which resets these numbers. I have no } idea what it is good for. Just flame your news administrator and he will stop } doing that! It was the former problem. Once I read articles, quit the app, and then re-started the app, all the previously read articles came back as "unread". It was as if they were never written to the "newsrc" file. I downloaded v0.82 and everything is hunky-dorey now. Any word on when we'll get "threads"? What about automatically marking cross-posts as read too? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pswtech.com PSW Technologies 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 251-1737 (512) 343-6666
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SmartSoft? Still in business? Date: 6 Nov 1996 17:20:44 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <55qhdc$1ln@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I want to purchase Smartsoft's Stay In Touch program, but I don't think they are still in business. Their emails bounce back to me, and their phone number doesn't work. How can I purchase this program? If they are out of business is it okay for me to get a license from someone else? If so, does anyone have one? Josh -- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Post script editor? Date: 6 Nov 1996 17:41:39 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <55qikj$t2@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <3280140E.1800@inxpress.net> Cc: sprout@inxpress.net In <3280140E.1800@inxpress.net> Kristin wrote: > Hi...I just got my hands on a next box for the first time, i believe it > run 3.0. I'm trying to make it my own and i'm having a problem > finding the perfect postscript editor. I realize that nextstep is the > best out there for postscript editing, but i'm having problems finding > an app to do it without saving the file, then 're-executing' it...using > Yap. I know there must be an app out there to do edit on a more real > time basis. Help? > > Also...since I am such a new user, any input on where to look for > software on the web, and choice in a good browser for it? > Any help would be appreciated. > So you want an app that let you draw and write stuff (just like Draw.app) and present you the PS code in realtime in another window? Well, this is surely possible to do but I know of none yet. (And I won't hold my breath for such a solution if I were you...) Tailor and ePScript (One Vision) are both doing good jobs on reading PS/EPS files and make them editable, but both provide no access to the PostScript itself, only to its representation. My BeYap program takes the other way (just like Yap) and is a source level debugger for PS code, but won't let you change things by fiddling with the representation only by hacking the PS source. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: alanf@izzy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: label printer/ software? Date: 6 Nov 1996 18:39:43 GMT Organization: "Comshare, Inc." Message-ID: <55qm1f$22d@inet-prime.comshare.com> Is there any NeXTStep software available to drive those pesky little label printers? Please cc: my email with any replies. Regards, Alan Frabutt (alanf@izzy.net)
From: lusty@aimnet.com (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: using rdist (or other) for remote file distribution Date: 6 Nov 1996 11:33:47 -0800 Organization: Aimnet Corporation Message-ID: <55qp6r$523@shell1.aimnet.com> References: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> In article <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, Michael Friendly <friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca> wrote: >Anyone know what is required to use /usr/ucb/rdist for remote file >distributon, ie, what is required on the remote host? >I get permission denied trying to use it to maintain copies of local files on >a remote AIX machine. >There does not seem to be any way to supply a >login password for use by rdist. Does it use .netrc? It requires an appropriate .rhosts entry. Lusty
From: yucheng@math.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Post script editor? Date: 6 Nov 1996 20:46:22 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Message-ID: <55qteu$1huo@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <3280140E.1800@inxpress.net> In-Reply-To: <3280140E.1800@inxpress.net> On 11/05/96, Kristin wrote: >Hi...I just got my hands on a next box for the first time, i believe it >run 3.0. I'm trying to make it my own and i'm having a problem >finding the perfect postscript editor. I realize that nextstep is the >best out there for postscript editing, but i'm having problems finding >an app to do it without saving the file, then 're-executing' it...using >Yap. I know there must be an app out there to do edit on a more real >time basis. Help? > >Also...since I am such a new user, any input on where to look for >software on the web, and choice in a good browser for it? >Any help would be appreciated. > You may try Tailor. Though Tailor is commercial, it is definitely the best in doing the job that you just described. -- ---------------- Yuwen Cheng University of Arizona, Math yucheng@math.arizona.edu
From: "John W. Wooten" <wooten@sacam.oren.ortn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: using rdist (or other) for remote file distribution Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:20:03 -0500 Organization: Private Consultant Message-ID: <328100FB.59A5@sacam.oren.ortn.edu> References: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Friendly wrote: > > Anyone know what is required to use /usr/ucb/rdist for remote file > distributon, ie, what is required on the remote host? > I get permission denied trying to use it to maintain copies of local files on > a remote AIX machine. > There does not seem to be any way to supply a > login password for use by rdist. Does it use .netrc? > rdist works excellently, but you must have the machines configured so that you can rlogin to the other machine. Also you, as the logged in user, on the other machine must have read/write permission on any files you're wanting to keep consistent. To get rdist (and rlogin) to work, you must do several things. Some of these are NexT specific, others are just Unix. 1) you must have an account on the remote machine that you can log into. 2) You much either have an /etc/hosts.equiv (not a good idea) OR in your user area on the remore machine you must have a .rhost file with the ip name of machines you will be connecting from. The permission on this file usually has to be non-world writable. 3) You have to have the host name of the computer you're connecting from in the netinfo (or /etc/hosts for non-Next) so that it will recognize the ip name you give. Set things up like this. Then from one machine do an rlogin to the other. If you don't get asked for a password, things are working correctly. Then try doing rsh machine ls where machine is the remote ip name. if it works good. Set up rdists file and things should work perfectly. I had to put myself in a special group and give that group write access to certain files in order to change them. Let me know if you have problems.
From: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NextStep (OpenStep) .app for mirroring ftp archive and/or www server Date: 6 Nov 1996 21:33:30 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <55r07a$e73@news.tuwien.ac.at> Hi all, We're still looking for it. If you have info, please drop a line. Thanks a lot, Khanh Nguyen
From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.tv.newsradio,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,fj.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,chinese.newsgroups.newusers,comp.sys.next,fj.sys.next,maus.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,alt.sex.nfs,comp.protocols.nfs,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.singles.nice Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:44:01 GMT Message-ID: <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months. think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more. That's ... because it WORKS ! So I thought, all those new users might make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago. Besides, whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted. Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you. Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1- Fern Suarez Mallorca 112 Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917 2- Philippe 2104 De Mexico Chomedey, Laval Quebec, Canada H7M 3C6 3- Natalie Jansen Lancveldlaan 18 5671 CN Nuenen Holland 4- Chad Collier 2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49 Placerville, CA 95667 5- Steve Boltinghouse 1009 Bird St. Hannibal, MO 63401 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!!
From: Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GNUChes with Chess.app Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:35:25 +0000 Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961106233422.6080A-100000@pollux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to use the Chess.app frontend with the latest Gnuchess? Regards --- Konstantin Wiesel Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de
From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Newsgroups: alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.tv.newsradio,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,fj.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,chinese.newsgroups.newusers,comp.sys.next,fj.sys.next,maus.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,alt.sex.nfs,comp.protocols.nfs,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.singles.nice Subject: cmsg cancel <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> Control: cancel <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:12:04 +1 Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <cancel.713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> References: <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> MMF chain letter spam cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de . This is part of an ongoing spam with huge Breidbart indices. See my report "S.Boltinghouse" in news.admin.net-abuse.announce or in de.admin.news.net-abuse.announce. Subject was: Just try this, it will work.
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenWrite with Speedbar Date: 7 Nov 1996 00:14:02 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <55r9ka$jvk@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <55b2m1$6ie@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <55bg50$k3e@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> In-Reply-To: <55bg50$k3e@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> On 11/01/96, Scott Chapman wrote: > I tried a demo version of OpenWrite awhile ago that had this feature called a Speedbar which was a tool bar that followed the window around. > I just purchased the Academic Lighthouse CD and the Openwrite on it seems a pale comparison to the speedbar version. > > Anybody know where I can get this newer version? > The Lighthouse version is the later one -- after they bought it from Xanthus... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: owolf@net66.com (Zaphod Beetlebrox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Monitor died, want to display on Macintosh, how? Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:09:36 -0800 Organization: Net66 Message-ID: <owolf-0611962009360001@amarillo-148.net66.com> My FIMI color monitor for my NeXT Station died, or rather it will work for about ten minutes then it will"zoom" in on a section of the screen and fade to black (anybody know what might be the problem and the cost to repair)? Anyway, in the meantime I want to display the output of my NeXT Station on my Mac Centris 610. I can run A/UX on the Centris (Apple Unix for those who don't know what A/UX is) but the Centris doesn't have an ethernet card so I need to network the two machines via their respective serial ports. First, do I need to build a "null" modem cable to be able to connect the two or can I just plug them straight into each other like I can two Macs? Second, what do I need to do to set up the NeXT to display it's output via one of the serial ports rather than the monitor? Third, how do I need to set up my Centris-A/UX so that it can properly receive the input that the NeXT station is sending and display it correctly? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Scott Johnson
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: using rdist (or other) for remote file distribution Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:52:36 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961106175212.26836C-100000@kira> References: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Michael Friendly <friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca> In-Reply-To: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com You might try this: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/Mirror.2.3.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/Mirror.2.3.README TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NextStep (OpenStep) .app for mirroring ftp archive and/or www server Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:54:16 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961106175351.26836D-100000@kira> References: <55r07a$e73@news.tuwien.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Khanh P. Nguyen" <knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at> In-Reply-To: <55r07a$e73@news.tuwien.ac.at> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com You might try this: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/Mirror.2.3.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/Mirror.2.3.README (didn't I just post this? ;-) TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: andrew@inxpress.net (Andrew M. Priasmoro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help!!! How to recover root account? Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:34:16 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: <andrew-0611961734160001@andrew.inxpress.net> Hi, I lost my root account so I could not login as root. Does anyone know how to recover or recreate my root account manually (single user) or graphically? By the way, I am running NeXTStep 3.3 for Intel machine. Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Andrew.
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Virtuoso 2.0 Key Number Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:41:37 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3281AEC8.57C9@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <01bbc751$0ce17080$02ac2ac0@mario> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mario Ferrari wrote: > > Hi folks, > Anyone out there have a Virtuoso 2.0 for NeXT (Motorola) to sell or at > least a Key Number? > Many thanks, > > Mario Ferrari Though I have a Virtuoso 2.0 for Intel, Because I need to use Motorola sometimes, I would like to know the Virtuoso 2.0 Key Number(for Motorola) too. YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SmartSoft? Still in business? Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:50:12 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3281B0C9.371C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <55qhdc$1ln@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joshua Kerr wrote: > > I want to purchase Smartsoft's Stay In Touch program, but I don't > think they are still in business. Their emails bounce back to me, and > their phone number doesn't work. How can I purchase this program? If > they are out of business is it okay for me to get a license from > someone else? If so, does anyone have one? > > Josh > -- > ______________________________________________ > Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ > "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I > was the suspect." --Steven Wright Have you visited the following Smartsoft's home page? http://www.SmartSoft.COM/ http://www.SmartSoft.COM/Products.htmld/index.html http://www.SmartSoft.COM/Products.htmld/StayInTouch.htmld/index.html YoungHoon Kil From South Korea ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai
From: Sven Droll Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Any speed difference between 3.0 & 3.2? Date: 7 Nov 1996 12:40:10 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <55slba$hcs@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <sk68-0101041705520001@cu-dialup-0024.cit.cornell.edu> <55lui7$o4v@usenet.rpi.edu> sk68@cornell.edu (Sung Ho Kim) wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I seem to be living in the dark ages lately running NS 3.0 on my > ND system when everyone is using 3.3 or 4.0 (and 4.1 just came > out) but I had one question... is there any speed increase/decrease > when upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2? Hi I did benchmarks (3 x flops with every app closed, except Workspace and one Terminal-window open) on my 25MHz-NeXTstation with NS3.0, and after a complete new install, on the same machine with NS3.3. I cannot remember the exact numbers but NS3.3 was always and remarkable slower than NS3.0. As far for the floating point numbers. > Depending on what you are doing, you may find NS-3.3 somewhat slower than > NS-3.2. However, there is a patch for NS-3.3 which solves some of those > problems. Cool :-). Would you mind mention the name for this patch? > I would expect NS-4.0 or NS-4.1 to be slower, unless you have a lot of RAM. I heart, NS4.0 IS much slower than NS3.0 or NS3.3 on black hardware. Tschuess -- Sven Droll __ ______________________________________________________/ / ______ __ sdroll@cip.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de / /_/ ___/ /_ _/ _/ =====\_/======= LOGOUT FASCISM! ___________________________________________________________________ NeXT-mail, MIME-mail welcome ;-))
From: bill@leeweyr.cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Current GNU C++ compiler for the NeXT Date: 7 Nov 1996 14:06:11 GMT Message-ID: <55sqcj$bct@news0-alterdial.uu.net> I'm running NS 3.3 which I just recently obtained. I am surprised and dismayed to find that the GNU cc/cc++ compiler is apparently not very current with the C++ language. Specifically: lack of support for exceptions. Am I missing something? Does a GNU C++ compiler exist that handles exceptions? Thanks in advance. Bill Lee (In case the Reply-To is wrong, please e-mail to BillLee@cleaf.com Thanks.)
From: peter@sakurasoft.com (Peter Payne) Newsgroups: chinese.comp.software,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.backoffice,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.software-eng,comp.software.international,comp.software.licensing,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Wanted: International distributors for Japanese anime adult games Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 02:10:43 +0900 Organization: J-List Message-ID: <peter-0811960211130001@202.230.39.191> Hello, I represent Sakura Soft. a company in Texas that is bringing Japanese adult RPG-style games to the North American market. We ar looking for software distributors outside of the U.S. Europe, Asia, anywhere else: if you are a compotent, established producer or distributor of computer software, we would like to talk to you. These are adult games which run on IBM PCs (DOS or Windows), and the quality of the art is excellent. The content is adult, though, and these games are not for anyone under the age of 18. Being "anime" (Japanese animation) games, we expect the market to grow well over the next few years. For a look at the game images, please see www.sakurasoft.com, or email me for more information. Thankyou.
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Monitor died, want to display on Macintosh, how? Date: 7 Nov 1996 18:33:55 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <55ta2j$5ql@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <owolf-0611962009360001@amarillo-148.net66.com> Cc: owolf@net66.com In <owolf-0611962009360001@amarillo-148.net66.com> Zaphod Beetlebrox wrote: > My FIMI color monitor for my NeXT Station died, or rather it will work for > about ten minutes then it will"zoom" in on a section of the screen and > fade to black (anybody know what might be the problem and the cost to > repair)? Most likely the high voltage generator, usually a silver box connected to the tube by a thick cable. I once repaired it myself in my trusty old Atari ST 19'' Monochrome screen BUT THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED, DON'T DO THIS, BECAUSE IT'S WHERE THE ACCELERATOR VOLTAGE COMES FROM. ANY ERROR WILL BE FATAL FOR YOUR LIFE. THIS IS REALLY NO JOKE. Said that, I believe it is not that much expensive. Most likely one can use a spare part from another monitor if it is within the same electrical specs. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: Dan Haynes <dhaynes@avicom.net> Newsgroups: chinese.comp.software,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.backoffice,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.software-eng,comp.software.international,comp.software.licensing,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Wanted: International distributors for Japanese anime adult games Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:22:22 -0700 Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Message-ID: <3283502E.7EA8@avicom.net> References: <peter-0811960211130001@202.230.39.191> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for all the wasted bandwidth on the cross posting, this sleazebag is running his own internet site to go with his mail order scam, so reports of abuse don't do a lot. If anyone can take the time to cancel this turds posts, we would all appreciate it. I personally believe Peter Payne (nice try, at subtlety with the fake name) is running a scam out of a post office box. I know for a fact he is a newsgroup spamming asshole. Dan Haynes Peter Payne wrote: > > Hello, I represent [snip] a company in Texas that is bringing > Japanese adult RPG-style games to the North American market. We ar looking > for software distributors outside of the U.S. Europe, Asia, anywhere else: > if you are a compotent, established producer or distributor of computer > software, we would like to talk to you. > These are adult games which run on IBM PCs (DOS or Windows), and the > quality of the art is excellent. The content is adult, though, and these > games are not for anyone under the age of 18. Being "anime" (Japanese > animation) games, we expect the market to grow well over the next few > years.
From: pinkse@shazam.econ.ubc.ca (Joris Pinkse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Java Browser Date: 8 Nov 1996 22:24:30 GMT Organization: Dept. of Economics - University of British Columbia Message-ID: <560buu$rfk@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Dumb question: is there any java-compatible browser for NeXTSteP. Neither OmniWeb nor NetSurfer seems to support Java. J.
From: Harald Ellmann <ellmann@msi.se> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Wanted: WavesWorld Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 15:44:57 +0100 Organization: Stockholm University Message-ID: <32834769.2694@msi.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I tried to download the wavesWorld rendering tools from the ftp server at mit,. but after about 14.7 of 16(1) MB the download stopps, which is quite frustrating... Has anybody the program lying around on his next and is willing to send it to my NeXT in Munich? The e-mail is: ellmann@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Thanks for your help! Bye, harald P.S.: Please inform me before you send the file. Otherwise i might end up with 10 copies of 16MB each and my sysop will go mad :-).
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: SSS Quiz of the Month - last call ! Date: 9 Nov 1996 12:02:29 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Message-ID: <561rsl$52b@peng.ping.at> References: <55lgju$o43@peng.ping.at> <327F64EB.778EBA86@screaming.org> In-Reply-To: <327F64EB.778EBA86@screaming.org> On 11/05/96, Pohl Longsine wrote: >I read all of the hints, and came away wishing that the magazine was >still available -- but not recognizing which periodical it was. > >Double Bummer. Sep / Oct quiz has finished! Answer & winners will be newsgroup'd this very weekend. Be prepared for the upcoming Nov / Dec quiz! You'll need a good image manipulation app and/or a field-glass at hand. And polish up your knowledge of good ole "C"! - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Peter Güntzer <peter.guentzer@pn.siemens.de> Newsgroups: alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.tv.newsradio,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,fj.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,chinese.newsgroups.newusers,comp.sys.next,fj.sys.next,maus.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,alt.sex.nfs,comp.protocols.nfs,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.singles.nice Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 15:09:46 -0800 Organization: Siemens AG,(Hofmannstr) Munich-Germany-Europe. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32850F3A.698E@pn.siemens.de> References: <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> <glyn.elara-0811961804280001@ppp161.tcom.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glyn Edwards wrote: > > > Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. > > > > By forwarding that message to me, you have participated in electronic > chain mail, which not only > irritates everyone involved but is also an abuse of the Internet. You have > allowed someone to > exploit you for their purposes. Even worse, you have helped them exploit > even more people and > waste more time, bandwidth, disk space, and money. It's bad enough to be a > victim, but it's worse > to become an accessory. If everyone forwarded every piece of chain mail to > the number of people > requested, normal email delivery would grind to a halt, thanks to the > exponential growth of chain > mail. Please do not ever forward chain mail again." with one word: Netikette... Peter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199611090635.WAA02521@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 96 01:34:56 -0500 Subject: SURVEY: What are your favorite m68k-only apps? Cc: ericet@peak.org Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I am attempting to track down the authors of various pieces of NeXT software which are available only for NeXT hardware and see if they still have source code for the applications (ala Ping.app recently submitted to ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next). I hope to announce a 4fat SegHoarker within the next few weeks. I am trying to find source code for DarkForest.app. What I would like to know from you is what apps you like that are NeXT-only. Any information you have about the app will be helpful, especially email addresses (even if they are old!) for the authors. Keep in mind that if these are NeXT, Inc apps (ie old demos or something like that) the chances might be lower of getting them. However, the more demand I can show for their apps, the more likely people are to release old source code or allow us to compile it for more archs. Eric Tremblay <eric@cdrom.com> has been updating apps on PEAK with 4fat versions wherever possible. I've just upgraded to 3.3 so I can compile any new apps we can get source code for. I've been using this free service "http://www.iaf.net" to track down the authors, with varying success. So, no promises, but what apps are out there that you'd like to see on different archs? Remember, please include all information possible, including app name, author name, and approximate date if possible. Thanks TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next
From: Jukka Tainio <jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GNUstep Date: 8 Nov 1996 13:39:06 GMT Organization: Raahe Institute of Computer Engineering Message-ID: <55vd5q$r88@news.ratol.fi> Can anyone point me a place, where I can find binaries or sources for GNUstep? I have tried from the GNUStep www -pages (www.gnustep.org), without any success. All information (ftp addresses etc.) is acceptable... -Jukka jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi (NeXTMail welcome)
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 9 Nov 1996 21:27:17 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> My friend has me jealous: He can listen via the web to CBC radio using an app produced by RealAudio. I checked out there web site, investigating the free software, but could find no unix version. Is this available on the NeXT? Dreaming, Lones .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: Jukka Tainio <jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNUstep Date: 8 Nov 1996 16:37:30 GMT Organization: Raahe Institute of Computer Engineering Message-ID: <55vnka$mc@news.ratol.fi> References: <55vd5q$r88@news.ratol.fi> Jukka Tainio <jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi> wrote: > Can anyone point me a place, where I can find binaries or sources for > GNUstep? I have tried from the GNUStep www -pages (www.gnustep.org), > without any success. All information (ftp addresses etc.) is acceptable... I found it! alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu:/gnu/gnustep if someone is intrested.... -Jukka jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi (NeXTMail welcome)
From: Winners of Washington Director <winners@pobox.com> Newsgroups: alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.tv.newsradio,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,fj.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,chinese.newsgroups.newusers,comp.sys.next,fj.sys.next,maus.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,alt.sex.nfs,comp.protocols.nfs,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.singles.nice Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 13:28:28 -0800 Organization: Winners of Washington Distribution: inet Message-ID: <3284F77C.7B44@pobox.com> References: <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> <glyn.elara-0811961804280001@ppp161.tcom.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Glyn Edwards <glyn.elara@technocom.com> Glyn Edwards wrote: > > > Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. > > > > By forwarding that message to me, you have participated in electronic > chain mail, which not only > irritates everyone involved but is also an abuse of the Internet. You have > allowed someone to > exploit you for their purposes. Even worse, you have helped them exploit > even more people and > waste more time, bandwidth, disk space, and money. It's bad enough to be a > victim, but it's worse > to become an accessory. If everyone forwarded every piece of chain mail to > the number of people > requested, normal email delivery would grind to a halt, thanks to the > exponential growth of chain > mail. Please do not ever forward chain mail again." Yeah, and it wasn't even very nice! -- From the desk of Ron in Seattle! KC7SQC Visit Seattle Counseling Information: http://pobox.com/~sci
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 28,800 Modems + NeXT Hardware and Tip. Date: 9 Nov 96 20:59:08 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: world Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov9205908@howard.one.net> References: <owolf-0611962009360001@amarillo-148.net66.com> <55ta2j$5ql@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <55tcj0$f9h@mark.ucdavis.edu> <560dgv$8k2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <562ep3$fin@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: aisbell@ix.netcom.com's message of 9 Nov 1996 17:24:51 GMT In article <562ep3$fin@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: pb141@columbia.edu wrote: > On 11/07/96, David Bradford wrote: > | WIll NeXT Hardware under Tip fully utilize v.34bis 28,800 > | modems? at all? > I use a ZyXEL Omni 288s with a port speed of 57600 and connect to > USR modems at 28800 (or less depending on the line noise) for PPP > on a NeXT non-turbo Color. Not exactly tip, but the hardware > shouldn't care. Running NeXT serial ports at 57.6 is a dicey proposition and probably isn't reliable in all cases because the CPU is on the edge of being able to service the serial port interrupts fast enough. Mono Turbos are probably most successful. I can occasionally get away with running at 57.6 with my non-Turbo Cube if my CPU isn't too heavily-loaded, but usually I see many serial port buffer overrun messages in the console and experience occasional kernel panics as a result. Later versions of the operating system seem less capable of running at 57.6 than earlier versions :-( Since I see this point quite often, I do feel that I should jump in with some differing evidence. From Nov '95 to Sep '96, I ran my V.FC modem at 28.8k (well, 26.4k mostly) with the serial ports at 56.7k, using ppp-2.2-0.4.6 on my 32M mono 25Mhz slab, and never had the panic problems everyone else seemed to be having. I even ran it with OmniWeb, so that takes care of the heavily-loaded CPU part. From Sep '96 'til now, it's been a 48M mono turbo slab, with a V.34 modem that has actually gotten some 31.2k connections, still no panics. Much lower CPU load when downloading files, though, which I like. Well, to be fair, I _have_ had panics, one every couple months. But I bring my link up and take it down 10 or more times a day, so I've never connected the panics to the operation of my ppp link. Unfortunately, I have no idea what it is I'm doing to cause this excellent operation. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> http://www.winternet.com/~shess/ Work: 288 Rampart Court #105, Ft Mitchell, KY, 41017 (606) 578-0412 (Was) 12550 Portland Avenue South #121, Burnsville, MN 55337 (612)895-1208
From: Scott Dart <scott-dart@uiowa.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Why should I go NeXT? Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 19:17:19 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Message-ID: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all--I am about to upgrade my computer system to a PentiumPro 180, with lots of HD space, and in addition to Windows NT, I had considered having a dual boot to the NeXT OS on a seperate partition. I have used NeXT in the past, but not for a long while now, but I have seen the OS on the shelves at computer stores, and thought I might take the plunge. I am primarily a software developer, but also do quite a bit of work with music software/MIDI tell me, why should (or shouldn't) I go with NeXT?? what kind of software is available for the platform? thanks scott-dart@uiowa.edu
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 9 Nov 96 21:08:06 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov9210806@howard.one.net> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> In-reply-to: Salvo@AccessOne .COM's message of 9 Nov 1996 19:44:28 GMT In article <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com>, Salvo@AccessOne .COM (Marc Salvatori) writes: In <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> spammers@goto.hell wrote: > Frankly I'd be happy to have a autoarchiver that will > automatically archive certian newsgroups to disk (know that the > articles are stored local and allow me to interact with them on > my local disk marking ones read v/s not read, and knowing which > ones have been downloaded or not) at a programmable interval > period or simply to get all the articles under a subset of the > subscribed groups with a single point and click, (not the > hour/day or more it now takes to do one newsgroup at a time).. Like me, it sounds like you're ready to consider rolling a news server on your own local net. Imagine having access to all the news of interest at 10BaseT! Oh, it's _nice_. I got PersonalINN from peanuts awhile back and installed it. More or less easy to install - except that "slurp" did not work. Slurp is what pulls articles down from your ISP's news server. It kept reporting that it couldn't connect, though I was able to connect to the server using telnet just fine ... oh, well. Unfortunately I couldn't find sources for slurp, so I instead installed "suck", which does the same thing. It worked fine, and now I read news at the speed of light, or close enough as to make no difference. I've been using gnus, though, so your performance may vary. There's another package out there called "leafnode", which tracks what groups are accessed and arranges to only download groups that someone is trying to read. To add a new group to be downloaded, you just try to read that group. First time, it won't have any articles. After the next fetch, though, it will have a bunch. Unfortunately, my version of gnus wouldn't work correctly with leafnode. I'm not sure why not, yet. Once I figure that out, I'm thinking of posting a .pkg like PersonalINN to the net. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> http://www.winternet.com/~shess/ Work: 288 Rampart Court #105, Ft Mitchell, KY, 41017 (606) 578-0412 (Was) 12550 Portland Avenue South #121, Burnsville, MN 55337 (612)895-1208
From: cchris@chum.hooked.net (Chris Christensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Spreadsheet for NeXT? Date: 10 Nov 1996 18:17:49 GMT Organization: Hooked Online Services Message-ID: <56568d$6nn@its.hooked.net> Greetings, Does anyone know of a public domain spreadsheet for NeXT computers? If so, where to find? Thanks for any help. Chris <cchris@hooked.net>
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:37:43 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <565au7$hhd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> Albert Chen (gt6248c@acmez.gatech.edu) wrote: : Lones A Smith (lones@lones.mit.edu) wrote: : : My friend has me jealous: He can listen via the web to CBC radio : : using an app produced by RealAudio. I checked out there web site, : : investigating the free software, but could find no unix version. : There is a similar app called CyberRadio1. Although it doesn't run : on NeXT either, you are free to port it as the author provides you : with complete source code. It uses Sun's au format, which is what : NeXTs use as well. You can find out more info at: : http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~jselbie/cr1.html If anyone else is both interested in radio via the net, and is proficient at (and able to) compile sources, I would be a joyful free-rider! ^_^ Thanks, Lones .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Is anyone USING mirror software for NeXTstep? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:48:35 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961110144633.959B-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I know that there are packages out there to do this, I want to know if anyone is using them on NeXTstep, and if so, if you'd be willing to give me some pointers for a very basic mirroing job (basically I want to backup my web page at peak to my local machine). I tried using rdist, but it fails because the versions are not the same (UGH?? backwards compatibility?) Thanks TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <199611101701.AA23916@msdec.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Ondra Cada <ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 96 18:00:19 +0100 Subject: S3Link & my address Organization: OCSoftware Hallo all, I've just noticed there was my old address (ocs@earn.cvut.cz) in the README (and surely in the Help as well). I'm terribly sorry; please all who might want to mail with any bugs/suggestions me use the _new_ address ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz - the earn server simply ceased to route mail for me :((( BTW, there will be new version relatively soon (some months) - still I have some problems with irregularities in the Siena Link protocol :((( (BTW, the S3c runs well, the problems are only with the Siena). How many of you would mind if it was written for the NEXTSTEP 4 only? --- Ondra Cada ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz NeXTMAIL and MIME OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <199611101722.AA24005@msdec.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Ondra Cada <ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 96 18:19:53 +0100 Subject: off line news? Organization: OCSoftware Hallo all, is there some tool which would download all unreaded articles from news server and save them to disk, so as I can read them offline when my ppp is down (eg using NewsGrazer plain file mode)? Answer please by e-mail, as I am temporarily unable to read news. Thank you very much, --- Ondra Cada ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz NeXTMAIL and MIME OK
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why should I go NeXT? Date: 11 Nov 1996 01:00:59 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <565tsb$bk5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> >tell me, why should (or shouldn't) I go with NeXT?? what kind of >software is available for the platform? I love my NextStation. I am a CS student at UT, and I use it for programming assignments, and internet stuff. (Email, web surfing, newgroups, etc..) It has a very nice user interface that makes using it a lot nicer than my other NT box. I prefer OpenStep's developer tools to Microsoft's Visual C++ because of its ease of use. Josh -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
From: na199@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Henning Heinze) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Edit and RTF Date: 10 Nov 1996 12:47:00 GMT Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg Fuerth, Germany Message-ID: <564is4$m2a@freenet-b.fim.uni-erlangen.de> Error with NeXTstep: If somebody has to work with rtf-files imported from WORD, he will notice that 'Edit' (in my case on the black machine) is not always interpreting these rtf files right. Example: the so called emdash will just vanish without trace! I tried to load the same text with Cedartext (no affiliation) just by chance, this program gets the emdash right. The emdash is then secure even if you work on these files later with Edit. Has anybody noticed other fatal errors with imported rtf-files (whatever the source)? Info welcome. Henning Heinze na199@fim.uni-erlangen.de --
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Quiz of the Month - Oct results, NEW Nov Quiz Date: 10 Nov 1996 13:32:46 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <564lhu$s4s@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, the SSS October Quiz has finished, and the new November Quiz has started >>> now <<< ! For October results as well as the new November quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Hint: to get ready for this month's quiz question, be sure to have a good image manipulation app and/or a field-glass at hand, and to polish up your "C" knowledge! As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer license (worth upto US$ 99), or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: pinkse@shazam.econ.ubc.ca (Joris Pinkse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: JAZ TROUBLE, PLEASE HELP Date: 11 Nov 1996 00:27:42 GMT Organization: Dept. of Economics - University of British Columbia Message-ID: <565rtu$m31@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Hi, I'm trying to get a JAZ disk to work with my NeXTSteP 3.3 system. I'm running it on an Intel system. Since the original format is DOS I reformatted the disk. Initializing the disk proves impossible. It keeps on saying it is a 0 byte disk and that the disk is unreadable. Please HELP! Joris
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why should I go NeXT? Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:49:50 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-h-27.usc.edu Message-ID: <5654ju$hpj@usc.edu> References: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> Cc: scott-dart@uiowa.edu In <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> Scott Dart wrote: > ...but I have seen the OS on the shelves at computer > stores, and thought I might take the plunge. That's quite interestingt. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 28,800 Modems + NeXT Hardware and Tip. Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:41:30 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <56544a$msp@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <owolf-0611962009360001@amarillo-148.net66.com> <55ta2j$5ql@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <55tcj0$f9h@mark.ucdavis.edu> <560dgv$8k2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <562ep3$fin@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <SHESS.96Nov9205908@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > In article <562ep3$fin@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, > aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > Running NeXT serial ports at 57.6 is a dicey proposition and > probably isn't reliable in all cases because the CPU is on the edge > of being able to service the serial port interrupts fast enough. > Mono Turbos are probably most successful. I can occasionally get > away with running at 57.6 with my non-Turbo Cube if my CPU isn't > too heavily-loaded, but usually I see many serial port buffer > overrun messages in the console and experience occasional kernel > panics as a result. Later versions of the operating system seem > less capable of running at 57.6 than earlier versions :-( > Since I see this point quite often, I do feel that I should jump in > with some differing evidence. From Nov '95 to Sep '96, I ran my V.FC > modem at 28.8k (well, 26.4k mostly) with the serial ports at 56.7k, > using ppp-2.2-0.4.6 on my 32M mono 25Mhz slab, and never had the panic > problems everyone else seemed to be having. I even ran it with > OmniWeb, so that takes care of the heavily-loaded CPU part. > From Sep '96 'til now, it's been a 48M mono turbo slab, with a V.34 > modem that has actually gotten some 31.2k connections, still no > panics. Much lower CPU load when downloading files, though, which I > like. > Well, to be fair, I _have_ had panics, one every couple months. But I > bring my link up and take it down 10 or more times a day, so I've > never connected the panics to the operation of my ppp link. > Unfortunately, I have no idea what it is I'm doing to cause this > excellent operation. I wish I understood the variations in experience reported. Since connections involve phone lines and remote modems of varying quality, maybe variations in these resources are somehow involved. Under NS 3.2 on a Cube with ppp-2.2-0.4.6, I could run at 57.6 without serial port buffer overrun messages *except* while reading news. Web browsing (what little I did back then) and ftp file transfers didn't seem to cause these buffer overruns, but then I don't run with my console on-screen, so I probably don't have the complete picture. I could also run Taylor UUCP over a serial, not PPP, connection at 57.6 with no buffer overruns. I don't know for certain that serial port buffer overruns cause PPP-related kernel panics. But I rarely experience kernel panics when serial port activity isn't involved. When NS 3.3 was released, I and others immediately began experiencing frequent kernel panics at the completion of a Taylor UUCP call. We never did figure out what had changed since 3.2, but the common denominator appeared to be NS 3.3/NeXT, Taylor UUCP, NXFax, and Cubes, not Slabs, so maybe a hardware difference is involved. Something seems to have changed with the serial port driver in NS 3.3/black that caused kernel panics when NXFax reset the modem after a Taylor UUCP hangup. Using the standard BSD UUCP or delaying the NXFax reset skirted the problem. However, I was unable to run my serial port at 57.6 as I was under NS 3.2 because almost all uses of the serial port caused buffer overruns and occasional kernel panics. With OS 4.0 and 4.1 using the PPP that's included, I'm experiencing kernel panics on around 1% of my PPP sessions which doesn't sound too bad, but I exchange email over 20 times daily via cron-driven PPP connections, so these panics are disruptive. I've even seen buffer overruns at 38.4 under OS 4.0 when a big compilation job is occurring concurrently :-( I experienced 2 kernel panics last Friday. I run PopOver with automatic polling every 30 minutes. One of the panics occurred when PopOver sent its automatic polling packets to the POP server. The other occurred just as the PPP connection was being negotiated. Thank god ProjectBuilder autosaves files. I'm considering moving my modem to my NT box and trying to figure out how to use NT as a mail server so that I can avoid the interruptions caused by OS kernel panics. I know I can run the serial ports at 57.6 and possibly faster under NT. Hopefully, in posting my experiences, someone will notice something that could lead to a solution. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:51:38 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-h-27.usc.edu Message-ID: <5654na$hpj@usc.edu> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> <SHESS.96Nov9210806@howard.one.net> Cc: shess@one.net In <SHESS.96Nov9210806@howard.one.net> Scott Hess wrote: > There's another package out there called "leafnode", which tracks what > groups are accessed and arranges to only download groups that someone > is trying to read. To add a new group to be downloaded, you just try > to read that group. First time, it won't have any articles. After > the next fetch, though, it will have a bunch. Unfortunately, my > version of gnus wouldn't work correctly with leafnode. I'm not sure > why not, yet. Once I figure that out, I'm thinking of posting a .pkg > like PersonalINN to the net. That woulg be very nice. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: drinke@r56h108.res.gatech.edu (Dave Rinker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JAZ TROUBLE, PLEASE HELP Date: 11 Nov 1996 00:52:42 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <565tcq$kvr@smash.gatech.edu> References: <565rtu$m31@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Joris Pinkse (pinkse@shazam.econ.ubc.ca) wrote: : Hi, : I'm trying to get a JAZ disk to work with my NeXTSteP 3.3 system. I'm : running it on an Intel system. Make sure you have the following entry in /etc/disktab to format or read a JAZ disk in NextStep format: iomega jaz|iomega jaz 1GB|iomega jaz 1GB G.5512/1:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#1021:nt#64:ns#32:ss#512:rm#5394:\ :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#64:z1#192:\ :pa#0:sa#2045952:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#3:da#4096:ra#5:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: -- Dave Rinker Georgia Institute of Technology - Computer Science
From: gt6248c@acmez.gatech.edu (Albert Chen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:07:33 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Lones A Smith (lones@lones.mit.edu) wrote: : My friend has me jealous: He can listen via the web to CBC radio : using an app produced by RealAudio. I checked out there web site, : investigating the free software, but could find no unix version. There is a similar app called CyberRadio1. Although it doesn't run on NeXT either, you are free to port it as the author provides you with complete source code. It uses Sun's au format, which is what NeXTs use as well. You can find out more info at: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~jselbie/cr1.html Al
From: jeffh@dnai.com (Jeff Hoekman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OmniWeb 2.0 hangs on startup (1.0 works fine) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 03:32:55 -0800 Organization: DNAI ( Direct Network Access ) Message-ID: <jeffh-1111960332560001@d-95.dnai.com> I've been running OmniWeb 1.0 just fine under NeXTSTEP 3.3/Pentium, but can't get version 2.0 to work! When I launch the application, the icon appears in the lower left corner of the screen, but then the cursor just spins --no menus, no windows. This is after I have started my pppd session. When I launch OmniWeb 2.0 before connecting to my provider, however, it opens but obviously can't open any URLs. If I then connect, I am able to get it to work after closing, opening, and reloading. This is o.k., but I'd really like to not have to do this every time I launch the program. If anyone has any ideas or help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Jeff
From: Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: BIND upgrade - just drop in replacement? or...? Date: 11 Nov 1996 05:20:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <566d35$j4q@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Hi there: I desperately need a new bind and nslookup on my machines. I don't claim to fully understand all the interactions between BIND and NetInfo, and the following question arose: Is there anything to watch out for when replacing named etc on NS3.3? Thanks & regards, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com>, office: ckuhtz@paranet.com Network/UNIX Specialist for Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ Supercomputing Junkie, et al MIME/NeXTmail accepted ---- BOYCOTT INTERNET SPAM! See URL http://www.vix.com/spam/ ----
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT on Cyrix PC Card? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:35:18 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <3286C922.2C44@earthlink.net> References: <mitchell.allen-0511962318130001@174.chicago-036.il.dial-access.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mitch <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> mitch wrote: > > I have a PowerMac with an Apple PC Compatibility card installed in a PCI > slot. The Card has a 100MHz Cyriz 586 chip on it. Does anyone know of > any way to install NeXT Step for Intel on this configuration? > > I appreciate any suggestions. NeXT is quite specific about what hardware it will run on. It can sometimes even be a pain to set up properly on a PC. I asked NeXT about such a set up awhile back. They said it most likely would NOT work. Among the reasons given were the fact that the keyboard and mouse are not connected to the card...they are still using Mac drivers. I'm sure there are many more reasons why it will not work. You might want to give the BeOS a try when it's available for the PowerPC. It's designed to run on currentPowerMac models. STEVE K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Quick Renderman Message-ID: <E0no2p.72@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <9611031827.AA02196@huelf.hamburg.com> <55kdih$4nk@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> <328229A7.2781@aw.sgi.com> <55uvad$cb7@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:59:12 GMT bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) wrote: > Michael Taylor <mtaylor@aw.sgi.com> wrote: > > I think that the 3D kit was passed off to the Misc Kit. The Misc Kit is > > a bunch of freeware libraries for Objective-C. So, it should still be > > available as far as I know. > > There are two teams working on a re-implementation of the 3DKit: The MiscKit > team has got the original 3DKit sources from NeXT and is currently porting it > to be OpenStep-compliant. > The Vision team at the University of Erlangen is working on "Gnu 3DKit". This > project is even a bit more ambitious: They want to extend the Quick RenderMan > API, and additionally base the new 3DKit on top of OpenGL. So they have to > implement a portable OpenGL system first, but this will have the advantage > that you can make use of 3D hardware acceleration, e.g. on the NT platform. > > You can get more information at > > http://www.misckit.com/ and > http://www.gnustep.org/G3DKit/G3DKit.html > > Both projects are non-trivial, so it will still take some time before any > implementations are really available. > It's quite off topic here in c.s.n.hardware but since OpenGL has some hardware support...why not talk about it here. Just to keep you all up to date (since the Web sites do not reflect the latest changes yet...got to work on them anytime soon) The MiscKti has the 3DKit object layer...but lacks a interactive renderer The Vision / GNU team have a interactive renderer...but lack the object layer. 1 + 1 = 2 :-) We are currently investigating the possibility of bringing both projects to one common level so that they would help each other. If no major unknown complications come around...then we might have working "alpha" releases by the end of the year. The first supported architectures should be OpenStep/Solaris and OpenStep/NT since they have working OpenGL implementations and a finished OpenStep system. If we get Mesa to work properly on MachOS and the C++ compiler from NeXT can deal with our code...then N3D running over OpenGL is within reach too. Since the 3DKit sources are not dependant on PostScript we could get 3D support for GNUstep quite soon too. The Vision's OpenGL subsystem (written by Peter Eberle) has been demoed last friday and does a great job. So folks hold on tight....and start submitting your wishes and ideas about the changes you feel should be folded into the GNU 3DKit. Aloha Tomi
From: wegmann@talisker.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Frank Wegmann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNUstep Date: 11 Nov 1996 12:35:56 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <WEGMANN.96Nov11123556@talisker.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> References: <55vd5q$r88@news.ratol.fi> <55vnka$mc@news.ratol.fi> In-reply-to: Jukka Tainio's message of 8 Nov 1996 16:37:30 GMT In article <55vnka$mc@news.ratol.fi> Jukka Tainio <jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi> writes: > Jukka Tainio <jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi> wrote: > > > Can anyone point me a place, where I can find binaries or sources for > > GNUstep? I have tried from the GNUStep www -pages (www.gnustep.org), > > without any success. All information (ftp addresses etc.) is acceptable... > > I found it! alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu:/gnu/gnustep if someone is > intrested.... Well, you could get it from a somewhat nearer site, namely ftp.funet.fi, which mirrors the GNU alpha site on ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/gnu/alpha. Frank -- Frank Wegmann voice: +49 234 700 7677 / +49 234 700 2461 Sprachwiss. Institut fax : +49 234 7094 137 Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum email: wegmann@linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 44780 Bochum (NeXTmail, MIME welcome) Germany WWW : http://www.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:08:15 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <567j1f$gm2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> <SHESS.96Nov9210806@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > Oh, it's _nice_. I got PersonalINN from peanuts awhile back and > installed it. More or less easy to install - except that "slurp" did > not work. Slurp is what pulls articles down from your ISP's news > server. It kept reporting that it couldn't connect, though I was able > to connect to the server using telnet just fine ... oh, well. > Unfortunately I couldn't find sources for slurp, so I instead > installed "suck", which does the same thing. I don't think you'd need the sources; a look into the manpage might be sufficient as well ;-) I had reports about problems with slurp for one reason only so far, and this is if the news server has no time service running. In this case, a simple slurp -l will help. > There's another package out there called "leafnode", which tracks what > groups are accessed and arranges to only download groups that someone > is trying to read. To add a new group to be downloaded, you just try > to read that group. First time, it won't have any articles. After > the next fetch, though, it will have a bunch. Unfortunately, my > version of gnus wouldn't work correctly with leafnode. I'm not sure > why not, yet. Once I figure that out, I'm thinking of posting a .pkg > like PersonalINN to the net. The next update for PersonalINN will include an app for selecting newsgroups of interest via a browser. Bye Uli ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:34:48 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cmVpKcK00UhBA1itgP@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <567een$kje@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In-Reply-To: <567een$kje@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> First, there is never a need to seperately post the same article to two seperate NeXT newsgroups. There isn't much need to crosspost the same article, either, but at least crossposting saves disk space and transfer time for news servers all over the world. Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 11-Nov-96 DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT S.. by Lones A Smith@lones.mit. > I am very worried. I have NS 3.2 on a 486 100 mhz system at home. > I received, for the first time ever, the command in the subject header > > DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER [ ... ] > What does this error mean? It indicates that either your hard drive (or less likely, your hard drive controller) is failing when the BIOS in your machine tries to boot the system. There are a large number of ways that this could be happening, but because it sounds like the problem goes away when you warm-boot it, perhaps the hard drive is enountering stiction (when the lubricant for the bearings is cold, some drives can't get enough oompf to overcome starting friction, a problem made famous by the Quantum 105), or possibly some chip needs to be reseated, etc. > Is it hardware or software? Hardware. > Exactly what must I do to fix the problem? Well, I'd first make sure that I had a complete backup of anything I cared about on that drive. Secondly, I'd probably swap hard drive controller cards and reconnect all cabling if convenient and see whether that made a difference. If it doesn't, and the drive is still under warranty, I'd probably return the drive. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Salvo@AccessOne .COM (Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 9 Nov 1996 19:44:28 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Cc: spammers@goto.hell In <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> spammers@goto.hell wrote: > Yeah Radical News is ok. But the archiver is buggy. One problem I've > logged is that if for some reason you happen to see the same articles > that you've saved, the RN archiver has no clue that they've already been > archived and will save duplicates. The latest RN is very buggy; some features, such as manually connecting a news server, don't work at all. > Frankly I'd be happy to have a autoarchiver that will automatically archive > certian newsgroups to disk (know that the articles are stored local and allow > me to interact with them on my local disk marking ones read v/s not read, > and knowing which ones have been downloaded or not) at a programmable > interval period or simply to get all the articles under a subset of the > subscribed > groups with a single point and click, (not the hour/day or more it now takes > to do one newsgroup at a time).. Like me, it sounds like you're ready to consider rolling a news server on your own local net. Imagine having access to all the news of interest at 10BaseT! -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
From: sarid@particle.phys.nd.edu (Uri Sarid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: strange problem with "talk" Date: 11 Nov 1996 20:51:25 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Message-ID: <5683kd$bpi@news.nd.edu> I've been having a strange problem when trying to use "talk" from my terminal window. This used to work, but mysteriously stopped. When I try to answer a remote talk request, as it appears in my terminal window, I get "talk: particle: Can't figure out network address." (where "particle" is my local host name), and I still get that message when I try to talk to someone else logged into my own machine, or when I use an explicit IP address. As a result, I cannot talk to anyone any more! The "write" command, which has a similar syntax, works flawlessly, and "mesg" is set to accept incoming messages. Any suggestions? By the way, I have a single NeXTstep 3.3 system running on an Intel pentium connected to the world via our campus-wide ethernet. Thanks in advance, Uri -- Uri Sarid Department of Physics office: (219) 631-6823 University of Notre Dame fax: (219) 631-5332 Notre Dame, IN 46556 (if fax fails, try -5952) e-mail: sarid@particle.phys.nd.edu
From: glyn.elara@technocom.com (Glyn Edwards) Newsgroups: alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.tv.newsradio,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,fj.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,chinese.newsgroups.newusers,comp.sys.next,fj.sys.next,maus.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,alt.sex.nfs,comp.protocols.nfs,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.singles.nice Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 18:04:28 +0000 Organization: Elara Associates Limited Distribution: inet Message-ID: <glyn.elara-0811961804280001@ppp161.tcom.co.uk> References: <713.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> > Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. > > By forwarding that message to me, you have participated in electronic chain mail, which not only irritates everyone involved but is also an abuse of the Internet. You have allowed someone to exploit you for their purposes. Even worse, you have helped them exploit even more people and waste more time, bandwidth, disk space, and money. It's bad enough to be a victim, but it's worse to become an accessory. If everyone forwarded every piece of chain mail to the number of people requested, normal email delivery would grind to a halt, thanks to the exponential growth of chain mail. Please do not ever forward chain mail again."
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Current GNU C++ compiler for the NeXT Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:40:37 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961108093656.11758D-100000@kira> References: <55sqcj$bct@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: BillLee@cleaf.com In-Reply-To: <55sqcj$bct@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com On 7 Nov 1996, Bill Lee wrote: > I'm running NS 3.3 which I just recently obtained. I am surprised and > dismayed to find that the GNU cc/cc++ compiler is apparently not very > current with the C++ language. Specifically: lack of support for > exceptions. I just installed gcc 2.7.2.1 from ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu, is that what you are looking for? It took about 2hrs20min to compile and install on my old 040/25, but I was doing some other stuff at the same time too.... > > (In case the Reply-To is wrong, please e-mail to > BillLee@cleaf.com actually, there was no reply-to line at all... TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Quiz of the Month - Nov European Complaints Date: 11 Nov 1996 23:36:14 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <568d9e$p3d@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, various European contestants complained that the November quiz picture on http://www.t0.or.at/~ptt/sss/quiz9611.html would load extremely slow, taking an hour or even more to download. I apologize for that. Normally, this page should load in less than two minutes, even if you got a mere 14.4'er modem like my own one is. (The picture is about 110K). Please note that as my personal web space on www.ping.at is limited to a meagre 100K, I'm forced to use whatever web space I can get hands on. Experience with Vienna's t0 server indicates that, if you're in Europe, you should try downloading that web page during "odd" surf hours, i.e. when a true surfer wouldn't surf - like 11am CET, for instance. Thanks, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Anyone have a Bootfloppy for NS3.2 on White?? Date: 12 Nov 1996 00:57:22 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <568i1i$9fg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I have found one for Black hardware at peak. Thanks! Lones .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Want to Buy 3.3 on White Date: 12 Nov 1996 01:01:22 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <568i92$9fg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Obviously price is an object, but I figured if I have to reinstall my 3.2, I might as well get 3.3 so I can have a DOS partition..... I guess 4.0 would be better (if it doesn't kill any apps). I somehow doubt this could be surplus for anyone, though. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: "James T. Romano" <jromano@hbsd-im.telerate.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why should I go NeXT? Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:57:36 GMT Organization: Dow Jones Telerate Inc. Message-ID: <01bbd0de$bc0ff4a0$05d8aac7@obiwan> References: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> Only go there (NeXT) if you want to learn about Objective-C, and see a really cool Interface Builder. But If you want to do anything serious with it... now is not the time, maybe a few years ago. So if you want a hobby, by all means NeXT OS is Excellent..... I still love NeXT, but they really screwed up... -- James T. Romano Systems Programmer Dow Jones Telerate Inc. Scott Dart <scott-dart@uiowa.edu> wrote in article <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu>... > Hi all--I am about to upgrade my computer system to a PentiumPro 180, > with lots of HD space, and in addition to Windows NT, I had considered > having a dual boot to the NeXT OS on a seperate partition. I have used > NeXT in the past, but not for a long while now, but I have seen the OS > on the shelves at computer stores, and thought I might take the plunge. > I am primarily a software developer, but also do quite a bit of work > with music software/MIDI > > tell me, why should (or shouldn't) I go with NeXT?? what kind of > software is available for the platform? > > thanks > > scott-dart@uiowa.edu >
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 12 Nov 1996 01:42:38 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <568kme$1dui@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> Cc: Salvo@AccessOne .COM In <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> Marc Salvatori wrote: > In <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> spammers@goto.hell wrote: > > Yeah Radical News is ok. But the archiver is buggy. One problem I've > > logged is that if for some reason you happen to see the same articles > > that you've saved, the RN archiver has no clue that they've already been > > archived and will save duplicates. > > The latest RN is very buggy; some features, such as manually connecting a > news server, don't work at all. > > > Frankly I'd be happy to have a autoarchiver that will automatically archive > > certian newsgroups to disk (know that the articles are stored local and > allow > > me to interact with them on my local disk marking ones read v/s not read, > > and knowing which ones have been downloaded or not) at a programmable > > interval period or simply to get all the articles under a subset of the > > subscribed > > groups with a single point and click, (not the hour/day or more it now > takes > > to do one newsgroup at a time).. > > Like me, it sounds like you're ready to consider rolling a news server on > your own local net. Imagine having access to all the news of interest at > 10BaseT! > I really don't want a full fledged news server on my own net for various reasons.. PersonalInn seems to work fine, except I can't seem to post using it.. The other problem with PersonalInn (or really NewsFlash) is that it only uses 1 .newsrc which means you are absolutely stuck using only 1 news server (or doing some script kludge to manage .newsrc files). Also I had a similiar problem using slurp. What I found was that at least for the nntp server I was connecting to I had to specify a username and password the form of the slurp command I use as user news is slurp -a username/password -d nntp.your.server This fixed my problem.. And PersonalInn is really a nice package.. I would hope that a GUI might be wrapped around it that can deal with extracting old news to removable media periodically.. Randy rencsok@channelu.com
From: nikko@mail.carol.net (Lew Shugar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Cool Talk Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 02:51:56 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Message-ID: <56b2id$tsv@news1.sunbelt.net> Does anybody know how to set up Netscapes "cool Talk" to use Four11.com as a is411 server?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: johnf@obiwan.geg.mot.com (John Funderburg) Subject: Tailor.app & DigiScript.app Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <1996Nov12.170302.21186@schbbs.mot.com> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (SCHBBS News Account) Can anyone tell me where I can find Tailor.app and/or DigiScript.app? Thanks, John
From: "Nikos P. Pitsianis" <Nikos@CS.UH.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: EOUser.pkg ? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:35:12 -0600 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, U of Houston Message-ID: <328933E0.59E2B600@CS.UH.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can I find EOUser.pkg? Please provide the exact pointer. Thanks. -- Nikos P. Pitsianis nikos@cs.uh.edu Department of Computer Science 713 743 3346 office The University of Houston 713 743 3335 FAX Houston, Texas 77204-3475 713 729 3997 home
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Post script editor? Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:15:39 +0100 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3280573B.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <3280140E.1800@inxpress.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kristin wrote: > > Hi...I just got my hands on a next box for the first time, i believe it > run 3.0. I'm trying to make it my own and i'm having a problem > finding the perfect postscript editor. I realize that nextstep is the > best out there for postscript editing, but i'm having problems finding > an app to do it without saving the file, then 're-executing' it...using > Yap. I know there must be an app out there to do edit on a more real > time basis. Help? > > Also...since I am such a new user, any input on where to look for > software on the web, and choice in a good browser for it? > Any help would be appreciated. Ask http://peanuts.leo.org/ the bigest ftp site for nextstep related stuff in europe (may be at all) The one and only postscript editor is Tailor: >> Search on peanuts says : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< LEO - Link Everything Online, Software Archives - Fulltext Search(but not yet on the NeXT archive!) Tailor Office 2.0d Visual PostScript Editor Search the FTP-server for Tailor Office Description postscript editor. With Tailor, you can visually edit PostScript documents, effortlessly and cleanly - no specialized knowledge required at all. You can cut pieces out of a document and copy them to any other application. Or recover text paragraphs for use in your favorite word processor. And all this regardless of the platform the document was generated on. Tailor offers numerous tools for productive, visual editing, even of the most complex documents. Tailor Office 2.0 is targeted towards the general user . Requirements NEXTSTEP 3.1 or higher Architectures NEXTSTEP motorola, intel, hp, sparc OpenStep - GNUStep - Others - Status Publication status available Copyright type Commercial Copyright statement Copyright 1993/1994 FirstClass NV - All rights reserved Author Peter Camps - FirstClass NV Tel: +32 9 227 62 48 Fax: +32 9 227 15 89 Avennesdreef 32, B-9031 Drongen, Belgium email: peter@firstclass.be NoSD-Meta Created on . Last modified from Peter Camps on 22 Jun 1995. Last verified from me@thyls.muc.de on 24 Jun 1995. -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: Salvo@AccessOne .COM (Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JAZ TROUBLE, PLEASE HELP Date: 13 Nov 1996 07:07:36 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <56bs3o$jqq@kanga.accessone.com> References: <565rtu$m31@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <565tcq$kvr@smash.gatech.edu> Cc: drinke@r56h108.res.gatech.edu In <565tcq$kvr@smash.gatech.edu> Dave Rinker wrote: > iomega jaz|iomega jaz 1GB|iomega jaz 1GB G.5512/1:\ > :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#1021:nt#64:ns#32:ss#512:rm#5394:\ > :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ > :os=sdmach:z0#64:z1#192:\ > :pa#0:sa#2045952:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#3:da#4096:ra#5:oa=time:\ > :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: This is very different from what I pulled from NextAnswers: IOMEGAJAZ-1G:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#3584:nt#4:ns#72:ss#1024:rm#5400:\ :fp#160:bp#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#32:z1#96:ro=a\ :pa#0:sa#1032192:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#16:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: iso-2022-kr in Mail.app Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 10:30:14 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961109101545.25867A-100000@kira> References: <562dh0$goh@usenet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE To: Seongbae Park <ramdrive@ee.snu.ac.kr> In-Reply-To: <562dh0$goh@usenet> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com There are bundles which can be dropped into the Mail.app bundle or /LocalLibrary/Mail or ~/Library/Mail to filter certain programs. http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/mail.html They might give you some ideas. There is a way to make ALL email display through a program,=20 dwrite Mail DisplayFilter /path/to/program but that will make ALL email go through that. I wasn't able to make it just do selected emails. TjL --=20 Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Sit= e Personal/NeXT Web Page:=09=09http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area:=09ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next =09=09=09=09http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next On 9 Nov 1996, Seongbae Park wrote: > Date: 9 Nov 1996 17:03:28 GMT > From: Seongbae Park <ramdrive@ee.snu.ac.kr> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > Subject: iso-2022-kr in Mail.app >=20 >=20 > Hello >=20 > I'm using NS3.3J on SPARC platform. When I read an email which is encoded > by iso-2022-kr, Mail.app tells me that it does not support iso-2022-kr. > But I have a filter program for that coding and I want Mail.app > to filter the content of mail with that program. >=20 > So, my question is: > =09Can I make Mail.app to execute a filter for specific MIME encoding? > =09Is there any way to use a filter program with Mail.app easily ? >=20 >=20 > -- > Seongbae Park (=B9=DA=BC=BA=B9=E8) http://ee.snu.ac.kr/~ramdrive =20 > ASCII,MIME,NeXT Mail To: ramdrive@thor.snu.ac.kr > School of Electrical Engineering, Seoul National University=20 >=20 >=20
From: schwartz@convex.com (Adam E. Schwartz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ImageWriter print driver for 3.2? Date: 13 Nov 1996 08:10:00 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard - Convex Division, Richardson, Tx USA Message-ID: <56bvoo$4ga@news.rsn.hp.com> hi folks, A while ago (under NextStep 2.1, I believe)I used an ImageWriter print driver called "iw" to print to an imagewriter II printer. I neglected to save the binaries when i upgraded to 3.x and was unable to compile the sources when i still had a copy of them (it couldn't build without one certain 2.x library). i seemed to have saved nearly everything else, though. ;-) Does anyone have experience using an imagewriter II with NS 3.2, or does anyone still have a copy of the "iw" sources or binaries? thanks, --Adam -- ----- Adam Schwartz, schwartz@convex.hp.com Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum. # # #
From: Computer Village <cmptrvil@bridge.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: where's gs corp? Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:13:23 +0000 Organization: Computer Village Message-ID: <32899F43.7884@bridge.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know if they are still around or have they bit the dust.
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why should I go NeXT? Date: 13 Nov 1996 21:52:28 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-h-50.usc.edu Message-ID: <56dfus$jl5@usc.edu> References: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> <5654ju$hpj@usc.edu> <56ddjt$8fo@news.onramp.net> Cc: dekorte@suite.com In <56ddjt$8fo@news.onramp.net> Steve Dekorte wrote: > Matthew N. Reichman wrote: > > Scott Dart wrote: > > > ..I have seen the OS on the shelves at computer > > > stores,.. > > > > That's quite interesting. > > It is. And the other day I noticed that my local > MicroCenter has a whole new shelf devoted to NeXTstep... Now, for my cynical soul, I thought the first poster was joking. But... you are telling a cold hard fact? I'm shocked! (in a good way) -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: ¥ì¤H <ianchan@hkstar.com> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,comp.software.international,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Windows Bar Code Generate Program Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 06:13:31 +0800 Organization: QStream Station Message-ID: <328A480B.15F5@hkstar.com> References: <01bbd109$52a0c780$b83052ca@hkstar.com.hkstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kenny Cheng wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any easy to use program to print bar code. Once you entered the > numeric, it will be appeared as bar code and print out on sheet. I don't > mean I need a I/Oed OCR program. > > Thanks. > > Kenny. you can buy a germeny make label, that included a software the help you print the label, also with bar code encoding. That's very easy to use. Just few hundred KB. Try it ¥ì¤H mailto:ianchan@hkstar.com mailto:yeeyan@hotmail.com http://home.hkstar.com/~ianchan
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER Date: 13 Nov 1996 17:28:04 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <56d0f4$b3t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <567een$kje@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <cmVpKcK00UhBA1itgP@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <cmVpKcK00UhBA1itgP@andrew.cmu.edu> On 11/11/96, Charles William Swiger wrote: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 11-Nov-96 DISK BOOT > FAILURE: INSERT S.. by Lones A Smith@lones.mit. > > I am very worried. I have NS 3.2 on a 486 100 mhz system at home. > > I received, for the first time ever, the command in the subject header > > > > DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER > [ ... ] > > Is it hardware or software? > > Hardware. > > > Exactly what must I do to fix the problem? > > Well, I'd first make sure that I had a complete backup of anything I > cared about on that drive. Secondly, I'd probably swap hard drive > controller cards and reconnect all cabling if convenient and see whether > that made a difference. If it doesn't, and the drive is still under > warranty, I'd probably return the drive. > I'd guess that Lones' machine is a Canon object.station..? If so, sorry Lones, this has been happening to a number of systems, and despite excellent suggestions and help from many in csn.*, there doesn't seem to be any solution most of the time. I've been threatening for a while to beat up on Canon about this, and every time I've been just about to, I've had another promise that something will be done to fix my system, I'm getting a bit fed up with this... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: pb141@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why should I go NeXT? Date: 13 Nov 1996 17:52:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <56d1s5$avt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> <01bbd0de$bc0ff4a0$05d8aac7@obiwan> In-Reply-To: <01bbd0de$bc0ff4a0$05d8aac7@obiwan> On 11/12/96, "James T. Romano" wrote: | Only go there (NeXT) if you want to learn about Objective-C, and see a | really cool Interface Builder. | But If you want to do anything serious with it... now is not the time, | maybe a few years ago. | | So if you want a hobby, by all means NeXT OS is Excellent..... | | I still love NeXT, but they really screwed up... | | -- | James T. Romano I have to agree with James. I got hooked on NeXT when I need to 1. compile code for number crunching, 2. wordprocess, and 3. create and handle graphics for my graduate thesis and found that I could do it all in one place, nearly simultaneously, and with very rare system gliches or compatibility issues. I still used PC's, DOS, Windows, and other "higher end" unix workstations for specific tasks, and the occasional Macintosh for some handy freeware utility and NeXT functioned as a translator/receptacle for all that information. In the end, it was always where I wound up to get work done with minimal frustration. If you don't need all this, don't need the latest internet features, and don't mind working with a DOS overlay, don't go with NEXTSTEP. But if you want to get stuff done...Remember, Friends Don't Let Friends Do DOS. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: pb141@columbia.edu Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________ I'm like a dog with a bone; I gnaw on it until I understand the dynamics. Helen Caldicot, NPR interview
From: Jukka Tainio <jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNUstep Date: 13 Nov 1996 16:19:10 GMT Organization: Raahe Institute of Computer Engineering Message-ID: <56csdu$t10@news.ratol.fi> References: <55vd5q$r88@news.ratol.fi> <55vnka$mc@news.ratol.fi> <WEGMANN.96Nov11123556@talisker.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Frank Wegmann <wegmann@talisker.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote: > Well, you could get it from a somewhat nearer site, namely ftp.funet.fi, which > mirrors the GNU alpha site on ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/gnu/alpha. Yep, I found it there. Unfortunately it's still so wery alpha, that I havent been able to compile it... :( -Jukka
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: off line news? Date: 13 Nov 1996 23:56:54 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <56dn86$qdi@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <199611101722.AA24005@msdec.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Ondra Cada <ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz> wrote: > is there some tool which would download all unreaded articles from > news server and save them to disk, so as I can read them offline > when my ppp is down (eg using NewsGrazer plain file mode)? you can use PersonalINN which does exactly that. It is a fully featured NNTP news server in itself so any NNTP News reader can read news from it. Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 14 Nov 1996 00:02:32 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <56dnio$qdi@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> <568kme$1dui@msunews.cl.msu.edu> rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > The other problem with PersonalInn (or really NewsFlash) is that it only > uses 1 .newsrc which means you are absolutely stuck using only 1 > news server (or doing some script kludge to manage .newsrc files). You're right, this is a new reader related problem. Alexandra.app is able to manage mutiple .newsrc files. > Also I had a similiar problem using slurp. What I found was that > at least for the nntp server I was connecting to I had to specify > a username and password the form of the slurp command I use as > user news is slurp -a username/password -d nntp.your.server Alternatively, you could enter username/password between the last two colons of slurp.sys. Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: jes@rednsi.com (Josep Egea i Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Additional PS Fonts and PS Printers Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:01:19 GMT Organization: NEXUS Servicios de Informacion, s.l. Message-ID: <55q97v$i6j$1@diana.ibernet.es> Hi all, I have recently installed some PS fonts in /LocalLibrary/Fonts and they work on screen and "dummy" printers (NeXTLaser and Epson Stylus + GSCorp's driver). Unfortunately, I cannot get they printed on a Texas Instruments PS Level 2 printer (which lacks these fonts). I have the PPD file for the printer, which works very well for every other aspect (papel source, resolution, etc). It includes the list of available fonts in the printer, and the new fonts are not there. Anyway, print jobs generated from applications don't include the font definition, and, thus,it gets changed by Courier. Is there any way of changing this behaviour? Do I have to download the fonts every time I turn the printer on (which tool should I use for it)? Any help really appreciated Thanks and best regards. PS: I used FontConvert.app by Frank Siegert which is a superb tool for font conversion available in the Peanuts archive ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Fonts/converters/FontConvert.1.3b.NIHS.b.tar.gz -- Josep Egea - jes@rednsi.com - NeXTMail & MIME OK Nexus Servicios de Informacion - Barcelona (Spain) Telf: + 34 3 285 00 70 - Fax: + 34 3 285 00 70
From: "Kenny Cheng" <lurice@hkstar.com> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,comp.software.international,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Windows Base Bar Code Printing Program Date: 13 Nov 1996 14:38:57 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Star Internet LTD. Message-ID: <01bbd10b$c3e60de0$b83052ca@hkstar.com.hkstar.com> Hi, Is there any easy to use program to print bar code. Once you entered the numeric, it will be appeared as bar code and print out on sheet. I don't mean I need a I/Oed OCR program. Thanks. Kenny.
From: jes@rednsi.com (Josep Egea i Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: PS Fonts and Printers Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:04:11 GMT Organization: NEXUS Servicios de Informacion Message-ID: <55q9db$i6j$2@diana.ibernet.es> Hi all, I have recently installed some PS fonts in /LocalLibrary/Fonts and they work on screen and "dummy" printers (NeXTLaser and Epson Stylus + GSCorp's driver). Unfortunately, I cannot get they printed on a Texas Instruments PS Level 2 printer (which lacks these fonts). I have the PPD file for the printer, which works very well for every other aspect (papel source, resolution, etc). It includes the list of available fonts in the printer, and the new fonts are not there. Anyway, print jobs generated from applications don't include the font definition, and, thus,it gets changed by Courier. Is there any way of changing this behaviour? Do I have to download the fonts every time I turn the printer on (which tool should I use for it)? Any help really appreciated Thanks and best regards. PS: I used FontConvert.app by Frank Siegert which is a superb tool for font conversion available in the Peanuts archive ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Fonts/converters/FontConvert.1.3b.NIHS.b.tar.gz -- Josep Egea - jes@rednsi.com - NeXTMail & MIME OK Nexus Servicios de Informacion - Barcelona (Spain) Telf: + 34 3 285 00 70 - Fax: + 34 3 285 00 70
From: sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Date: 13 Nov 1996 18:18:13 -0800 Organization: BEST Internet Communications Message-ID: <sams.847937517@shellx> References: <56dhbs$abr@netnews.upenn.edu> <56ds87$4c7@usc.edu> reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) writes: > David R. Anstine wrote: >> Has anyone successfully compiled 5.003? >The kind people at TipTop have it at their ftp site in a pkg! >ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/pub/Objective/<YOUR-OS>/ On NS3.3 I compiled and installed perl 5.003 from the sources from a local CPAN site without any problem just using the normal autoconfiguration, and it passed all the standard tests. I don't have more info on the version since it just says: elvis > perl -version This is perl, version 5.003 with EMBED built under next at Sat Jul 06 1996 01:03:29 GMT + suidperl security patch Sorry if that's not helpful. -sam
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Improvements for NeXTTime and Sound Message-ID: <E0syLv.ML@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <56987j$nlp@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:34:42 GMT tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > > Hi: > > I recently grabbed a couple of .mov files off the net (one of which was > Dole's appearance on Letterman) and when I tried to play them with > NeXTTime I got the message > > "Cannot play sound from dole.letterman.45.mov. Sound is not available or > requires a missing ima4 decompressor." > > I assume this is because the sound is encoded in some new format which has > arisen since NeXTTime was created. Is there anything to do about this? > Can NeXTTime accept "bundles" or some such? Is there an alternative .mov > player worth having? > > Thanks in advance for any help on this. > NeXTIME is fully customizable via bundles/components. But you will need OS 4.0 or later if you want to write components for it. It really is way cool but currently lacks documentation for the server sinde classes and components. I'm trying to put an overview together to help out until NeXTs donates some of its web-group money to the multimedia group. Aloha Tomi
From: dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Why should I go NeXT? Date: 13 Nov 1996 21:12:29 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <56ddjt$8fo@news.onramp.net> References: <32852D1F.21BF@uiowa.edu> <5654ju$hpj@usc.edu> Cc: reichman@usc.edu Matthew N. Reichman wrote: > Scott Dart wrote: > >..I have seen the OS on the shelves at computer stores,.. > > That's quite interesting. It is. And the other day I noticed that my local MicroCenter has a whole new shelf devoted to NeXTstep... -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep Developer - Anaheim, CA "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie
From: vadim@physics.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Additional PS Fonts and PS Printers Date: 14 Nov 1996 06:51:12 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <56efh0$f4f@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <55q97v$i6j$1@diana.ibernet.es> jes@rednsi.com (Josep Egea i Sanchez) wrote: > Hi all, > > I have recently installed some PS fonts in /LocalLibrary/Fonts and they work > on screen and "dummy" printers (NeXTLaser and Epson Stylus + GSCorp's > driver). Unfortunately, I cannot get they printed on a Texas Instruments PS > Level 2 printer (which lacks these fonts). > > I have the PPD file for the printer, which works very well for every other > aspect (papel source, resolution, etc). It includes the list of available > fonts in the printer, and the new fonts are not there. Anyway, print jobs > generated from applications don't include the font definition, and, thus,it > gets changed by Courier. > > Is there any way of changing this behaviour? Do I have to download the fonts > every time I turn the printer on (which tool should I use for it)? > > Any help really appreciated > > Thanks and best regards. > > PS: I used FontConvert.app by Frank Siegert which is a superb tool for font > conversion available in the Peanuts archive > ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Fonts/converters/FontConvert.1.3b.NIHS.b.tar.gz On NS 3.1 and later, there is an obscure printcap entry _nxfinalform that tell the NS printing software to include all the font descriptions with the postscript file. This is particularely handy for remote printing when your NeXT has no knowledge or control over printer-resident fonts and the only safe assumption is that NO fonts at all are resident and all the info must be supplied with the printing job. For other situations, this is overkill, but it works. There are a few drawbacks, however, so use your discretion: 1) -nxfinalform does not work with NS 3.0 or earlier. If you use 3.0 printing software for the sake of AppleTalk, this is a problem. 2) Downloading ALL the fonts means that you duplicate fonts already resident on the printer. This may be a problem if the connection is slow (9600 baud serial) or you are remote-printing and are charged per kbyte of PS rather than per page. On the other hand, if you own/control the printer, you might save printer memory by not downloading any resident fonts at all. 3) lpr and other command-line printing commands do not grok -nxfinalform. If you already have a PS file minus the font descriptions, open it in Preview, then use Print command of the Preview.app (this is a kludge, but it works). The syntax of the _nxfinalform is very simple -- it's a valueless entry in /etc/princap file or equivalently, a valueless property in the printers/YourPrinter directory of netinfo. For an example, here is an entry from /etc/printcap on my system blw|lw9_303|BLW: \ :_nxfinalform:af=/usr/adm/lp.acct:cf=/usr/lib/transcript/pscf: \ :df=/usr/lib/transcript/psdf:gf=/usr/lib/transcript/psgf: \ :if=/usr/lib/transcript/psif:lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:lp:mx#0: \ :nf=/usr/lib/transcript/psnf: \ :note=Printer in RLM 9.303 via utaphy: \ :of=/usr/lib/transcript/psof:rm=utaphy.ph.utexas.edu:rp=lw9_303: \ :rf=/usr/lib/transcript/psrf:rw:sb:sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/BLW:sf: \ :tf=/usr/lib/transcript/pstf:ty=Apple LaserWriter IIg: \ :vf=/usr/lib/transcript/psvf: NOTE: if you use netinfo, you should nidump printcap . >/etc/printap # edit /etc/printcap as appropriate niload printcap . </etc/princap which may or may not work, depending on whether the appropriate printer entry is in printcap format or not. If it's not, you may write one from scratch and niload. Alternatively, you may use NetInfoManager.app directly, without bothering with /etc/printcap: open directory printers/printer_name and add a property _nxfinalform (no values). I have no idea how to set _nxfinalform form using PrinterManager.app; it may or may not be possible. In any case, do not even try to re-configure a REMOTE printer using PrinterManager. I hope this helps. -- Vadim. -- ***************************************************************************** Vadim S. Kaplunovsky, | vadim@physics.utexas.edu (NextMail OK) Associate Professor of Physics, | #include <std_disclaimer.h> University of Texas at Austin. | #excuse bad_typing.
From: Mark Adler <mark.adler@quest.jpl.nasa.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Give me good reasons to upgrade NS3.2 to OS4.0 Date: 13 Nov 1996 20:07:15 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Message-ID: <56d9pj$a4q@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <55t1k8$74i@cnn.Princeton.EDU> <56aivj$p3h@peng.ping.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stefan@ping.at In <56aivj$p3h@peng.ping.at> Stefan Schneider wrote: # You simply shouldn't. If you like to, you could upgrade to NS3.3 plus # upgrade patch, which is the best and most stable version as of now. Where is this upgrade patch? mark
From: anstine@orion.sas.upenn.edu (David R. Anstine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Date: 13 Nov 1996 22:16:28 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <56dhbs$abr@netnews.upenn.edu> Trying to compile Perl-5.003 on a NeXTstation running 3.2. I get the following error during make: ./miniperl -Ilib pod/pod2text.PL *** Segmentation fault Stop. Has anyone successfully compiled 5.003? -dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Give me good reasons to upgrade NS3.2 to OS4.0 Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961113200115.1425A-100000@charisma> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:03:10 -0500 References: <55t1k8$74i@cnn.Princeton.EDU> <56aivj$p3h@peng.ping.at> <56d9pj$a4q@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> To: Mark Adler <mark.adler@quest.jpl.nasa.gov> cc: stefan@ping.at In-Reply-To: <56d9pj$a4q@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is at NeXT's FTP site. I don't remember the exact URL, but it should be pretty easy to find from ftp://ftp.next.com It is on several NeXTStep CDs, at least Nebula (aka Walnut Creek) and the peanuts CD. It's about 40 megs, if you get the dev patches too. TjL On 13 Nov 1996, Mark Adler wrote: > Date: 13 Nov 1996 20:07:15 GMT > From: Mark Adler <mark.adler@quest.jpl.nasa.gov> > Cc: stefan@ping.at > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software > Subject: Re: Give me good reasons to upgrade NS3.2 to OS4.0 > > In <56aivj$p3h@peng.ping.at> Stefan Schneider wrote: > # You simply shouldn't. If you like to, you could upgrade to NS3.3 plus > # upgrade patch, which is the best and most stable version as of now. > > Where is this upgrade patch? > > mark > > > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: EOUser.pkg ? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961113200428.1425B-100000@charisma> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:05:10 -0500 References: <328933E0.59E2B600@CS.UH.edu> To: "Nikos P. Pitsianis" <Nikos@CS.UH.edu> In-Reply-To: <328933E0.59E2B600@CS.UH.edu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.next.com:80/NeXTanswers/ByNumber/2117.compressed Shameless plug: you can find links to a lot of NeXTstuff like this at my site TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> / <luomat@peak.org> Web Page (NeXTInfo): http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/ Peak FTP Site: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:21:46 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <56am8q$t5t@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <565au7$hhd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56aamk$soo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: frank@this.net In <56aamk$soo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Frank M. Siegert wrote: > In <565au7$hhd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Lones A Smith wrote: > > Albert Chen (gt6248c@acmez.gatech.edu) wrote: > > : Lones A Smith (lones@lones.mit.edu) wrote: > > : : My friend has me jealous: He can listen via the web to CBC radio > > : : using an app produced by RealAudio. I checked out there web site, > > : : investigating the free software, but could find no unix version. > > > > : There is a similar app called CyberRadio1. Although it doesn't run > > : on NeXT either, you are free to port it as the author provides you > > : with complete source code. It uses Sun's au format, which is what > > : NeXTs use as well. You can find out more info at: > > : http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~jselbie/cr1.html > > > > If anyone else is both interested in radio via the net, and is proficient > > at (and able to) compile sources, I would be a joyful free-rider! ^_^ > > > The client is now hacked up & running. You can download the NeXTSTEP binaries and sources (m68k/i386 fat) from my home page (Download area). The server makes heavy use of shared memory so a port is not that simple (ok, ok, I am lazy... :-)). From my location here in central Europe it is quite hard to get a contious data flow to the US during the day, so I implemented a kludge to queue sound data. You can tune this in the source. Bye Frank -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Date: 14 Nov 1996 01:22:15 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-d-22.usc.edu Message-ID: <56ds87$4c7@usc.edu> References: <56dhbs$abr@netnews.upenn.edu> Cc: anstine@orion.sas.upenn.edu In <56dhbs$abr@netnews.upenn.edu> David R. Anstine wrote: > Trying to compile Perl-5.003 on a NeXTstation running 3.2. > I get the following error during make: > > ./miniperl -Ilib pod/pod2text.PL > *** Segmentation fault > Stop. > > Has anyone successfully compiled 5.003? The kind people at TipTop have it at their ftp site in a pkg! ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/pub/Objective/<YOUR-OS>/ -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: frank@OneVision.de (Frank Pohl) Subject: Re: Tailor.app & DigiScript.app Message-ID: <E0urEy.8w@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:54:34 GMT In comp.sys.next.software article <1996Nov12.170302.21186@schbbs.mot.com> John wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I can find Tailor.app and/or DigiScript.app? One Way: Ask your bookseller: DigiScript, 390 pp. 500 figs. in color, CD-ROM Hardcover, , ISBN 3-540-61643-8, Springer -Verlag, E-Mails: orders@springer.de The cover-text: "DigiScript edits for production all digital manuscript in the current industry formats PostScript and PDF, including images, text, graphics, color, and production parameters, independently of the hardware and software platforms used to prepare the document. This practical guide describes the capabilities and tools of DigiScript abd is designed to support the DigiScript user in his or her work. The authors put special emphasis on successful project oriented use of the powerful prepress tools. Fundamental background information, technical know-how, and application examples from the professional prepress fireld are combined to help the user solve difficult production problems efficiently. The complete description of the DigiScript production environment allows the book to serve as a self-contained reference work. The accompanying CD-ROM provides all the data you need to test DigiScript on your Nextstep 3.3 system as well as review copies of the examples introduced in the user handbook." Frank
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: huge size of .rtf file - virus? Date: 14 Nov 96 16:09:34 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov14160934@slave.one.net> References: <56fkhq$bsm@malibu.unice.fr> In-reply-to: krinsky@kopeck.unice.fr's message of 14 Nov 1996 17:23:06 GMT In article <56fkhq$bsm@malibu.unice.fr>, krinsky@kopeck.unice.fr (Krinsky Valentin) writes: A small text written in only one font Helvetica Medium 14.0 pt occupies 5 kB in the file .rtf . When opened in Unix, it is seen that the same commands are repeated many times, and they are installed between small groups of words. Note that \txN sets tabstops. Note that your file basically alternates lines with different tabstop settings. If you open in Edit, bring up the rulerbar, and use down-arrow to step down through lines, you'll see the rulerbar change, change, change, change ... One fix would be to figure out a rulerbar you like, do Command-1 (Copy Ruler), Command-a (Select All) and Command-2 (Paste Ruler). Then all your text will have the same ruler settings, and thus your file won't have all of the changes in it. So far as viral infections of NeXT RTF documents - unlikely. Edit doesn't have any macro capabilities, so there's nothing for the document to _do_! A macro virus requires the ability for the document to specify macro code to execute when the document is opened, so this may not be a problem for any NeXTSTEP word processors. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: allanmac@blueprint.com (Allan MacKinnon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 14 Nov 1996 08:14:32 GMT Organization: <<<>>> Message-ID: <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <565au7$hhd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56aamk$soo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: frank@this.net In <56aamk$soo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Frank M. Siegert wrote: > In <565au7$hhd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Lones A Smith wrote: > > Albert Chen (gt6248c@acmez.gatech.edu) wrote: > > : Lones A Smith (lones@lones.mit.edu) wrote: > > : : My friend has me jealous: He can listen via the web to CBC radio > > : : using an app produced by RealAudio. I checked out there web site, > > : : investigating the free software, but could find no unix version. > > > > : There is a similar app called CyberRadio1. Although it doesn't run > > : on NeXT either, you are free to port it as the author provides you > > : with complete source code. It uses Sun's au format, which is what > > : NeXTs use as well. You can find out more info at: > > : http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~jselbie/cr1.html > > > > If anyone else is both interested in radio via the net, and is proficient > > at (and able to) compile sources, I would be a joyful free-rider! ^_^ > > > > I will take a look at it... > > Bye > > Frank > > BTW, RealAudio has released a 'reference' implementation (source code) of their RA Player and Server. You can find it on http://www.realaudio.com/prognet/rt/index.html A RealAudio player under NS/OS would be very cool. ASM -- Allan MacKinnon (C) 1996 mailto:allanmac@blueprint.com Boston, MA (617) 424-0615
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hhoff@schwaben.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Message-ID: <E0vtMB.7z8@flop.schwaben.de> Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: home References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> <56eve5$qdu@gate.seicom.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:39:47 GMT Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > Allan MacKinnon (allanmac@blueprint.com) wrote: > > BTW, RealAudio has released a 'reference' implementation > > (source code) of their RA Player and Server. > > You can find it on http://www.realaudio.com/prognet/rt/index.html > > A RealAudio player under NS/OS would be very cool. > > This is indeed true and the relevant people are looking at it > already. No promises, though. Let's see what the weekend brings. :) I'm almost afraid the weekend is not going to bring anything in this regard. The source has disappeared :( If anybody was quick enough to snatch the archive, feel free to send it to me (MIME or NeXTMail fine). Darn, I should have downloaded the source while it was there. (or am I blind? if so, send me the exact URL..though I really looked everywhere.) Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | Be cool.
From: clasch@tallawe.lahn.de (Claus Schneeberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb 2.0 hangs on startup (1.0 works fine) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:54:09 GMT Organization: Talladh-A-Bheithe Sender: news@tallawe.lahn.de (NetNews) Message-ID: <E0vJ69.EwG@tallawe.lahn.de> References: <jeffh-1111960332560001@d-95.dnai.com> Cc: jeffh@dnai.com In <jeffh-1111960332560001@d-95.dnai.com> Jeff Hoekman wrote: > I've been running OmniWeb 1.0 just fine under NeXTSTEP 3.3/Pentium, but > can't get version 2.0 to work! When I launch the application, the icon > appears in the lower left corner of the screen, but then the cursor just > spins --no menus, no windows. This is after I have started my pppd > session. I had the same problem here. Just delete the OmniWeg-entry in the defaults database. Worked fine for me. Cheers, Claus -- \\ Claus Schneeberger \\ \\ 63674 Altenstadt/ Hessen \\ \\ clasch@tallawe.lahn.de \\ ___\\ Member of WiNG __________\\
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: PS Fonts and Printers Date: 15 Nov 1996 02:01:11 GMT Organization: Psycho German Ninja Blitz Hackers On Steroids, Inc. Message-ID: <56git7$9ib@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <55q9db$i6j$2@diana.ibernet.es> Cc: jes@rednsi.com In <55q9db$i6j$2@diana.ibernet.es> Josep Egea i Sanchez wrote: > PS: I used FontConvert.app by Frank Siegert which is a superb tool for font > conversion available in the Peanuts archive > ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Fonts/converters/FontConvert.1.3b.NIHS.b.tar.gz > Wow! Thank you very much for your kind words! Have a nice day Frank -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: jacob@dannug.dk (Jacob Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:46:49 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <56annp$fi@jnext.dannug.dk> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> <568kme$1dui@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Cc: rencsok@channelu.com In <568kme$1dui@msunews.cl.msu.edu> rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > In <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> Marc Salvatori wrote: > > Like me, it sounds like you're ready to consider rolling a news server on > > your own local net. Imagine having access to all the news of interest at > > 10BaseT! > > > > I really don't want a full fledged news server on my own net for various > reasons.. PersonalInn seems to work fine Isn't PersonalINN the INN news server precompiled and in a .pkg? INN seems fairly full fledged to me... Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen PGP-keyID: 1F0F3839 Email (NeXT, MIME and SUN) jacob@dannug.dk Maintainer of NEXTSTEP Software Reviews http://www.dannug.dk/jacob & My own home page :-) http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 15 Nov 1996 01:56:47 GMT Organization: Psycho German Ninja Blitz Hackers On Steroids, Inc. Message-ID: <56gikv$9ib@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> <56eve5$qdu@gate.seicom.net> <E0vtMB.7z8@flop.schwaben.de> Cc: hhoff@schwaben.de In <E0vtMB.7z8@flop.schwaben.de> Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > > Allan MacKinnon (allanmac@blueprint.com) wrote: > > > BTW, RealAudio has released a 'reference' implementation > > > (source code) of their RA Player and Server. > > > You can find it on http://www.realaudio.com/prognet/rt/index.html > > > A RealAudio player under NS/OS would be very cool. > > > > This is indeed true and the relevant people are looking at it > > already. No promises, though. Let's see what the weekend brings. :) > > I'm almost afraid the weekend is not going to bring anything > in this regard. The source has disappeared :( > If anybody was quick enough to snatch the archive, feel free > to send it to me (MIME or NeXTMail fine). > Darn, I should have downloaded the source while it was there. > > (or am I blind? if so, send me the exact URL..though I really > looked everywhere.) > No sweat... they were fast, but I was faster :-) They seem to have removed the source from their site, I have no idea why. Maybe one should write an email to rtsp-feedback@prognet.com asking them if the source is still available (maybe the location changed and we searched all in the wrong place...). But at least it was published unter the GPL so I am looking to get a nice little free RA application up on NS so everybody can have some fun and use the Internet to its fullest extend. However I cannot guarantee to have anything ready this weekend... Maybe next week, we'll see... -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: steveg219@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: script to convert Next mailboxes to Windows mailboxes Date: 15 Nov 1996 06:35:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Sender: news@aol.com Message-ID: <19961115063700.BAA14999@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <327AB01F.79A9@freemansoft.com> This same functionality is very important to us as well. We have several users who will be migrating from NeXTSTEP to WIN 95. The ability to translate the existing NeXT mailboxes to something useable, or even just readable, such as Eudora or Netscape mail would be ideal. Any information regarding a way to do this would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Steve Greenberg
From: steveg219@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What type are .fax-files for FaxReader.app? Date: 15 Nov 1996 06:36:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Sender: news@aol.com Message-ID: <19961115063900.BAA15046@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <55l068$ilf@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> For anyone who needs to know: NeXT faxes are a compressed TIFF format. Two pieces of software I have personally tested can properly display then in a Windows environment: HIJAAK graphics suite and Quick View plus Hope this helps, we are using it to gracefully migrate users to Windows. Steve Greenberg
From: steveg219@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 28,800 Modems + NeXT Hardware and Tip. Date: 15 Nov 1996 06:44:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Sender: news@aol.com Message-ID: <19961115064600.BAA15194@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <56544a$msp@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> I highly recommend TTYDSP which programs the DSP port to be a high speed serial port. Overhead is taken off of the CPU and we routinely run it at 768000 and higher. It is available from yrrid.com (I hope still available) Unfortunately, TTYDSP is not supported for the free PPP Steve Greenberg
From: allanmac@blueprint.com (Allan MacKinnon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Date: 15 Nov 1996 04:40:45 GMT Organization: <<<>>> Message-ID: <56gs8d$5nl@news.ziplink.net> References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> <56eve5$qdu@gate.seicom.net> <E0vtMB.7z8@flop.schwaben.de> Cc: hhoff@schwaben.de In <E0vtMB.7z8@flop.schwaben.de> Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > > Allan MacKinnon (allanmac@blueprint.com) wrote: > > > BTW, RealAudio has released a 'reference' implementation > > > (source code) of their RA Player and Server. > > > You can find it on http://www.realaudio.com/prognet/rt/index.html > > > A RealAudio player under NS/OS would be very cool. > > > > This is indeed true and the relevant people are looking at it > > already. No promises, though. Let's see what the weekend brings. :) > > I'm almost afraid the weekend is not going to bring anything > in this regard. The source has disappeared :( > If anybody was quick enough to snatch the archive, feel free > to send it to me (MIME or NeXTMail fine). > Darn, I should have downloaded the source while it was there. > > (or am I blind? if so, send me the exact URL..though I really > looked everywhere.) > > Holger > Try this one: http://www.realaudio.com/prognet/rt/clientbinary.html -- Allan MacKinnon (C) 1996 mailto:allanmac@blueprint.com Boston, MA (617) 424-0615
From: tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: 15 Nov 1996 08:55:33 GMT Organization: Depts. of Physics and Chemistry, Univ. of Washington Message-ID: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Recently I got excited about adding some bundles to my NeXT mail suite. So I grabbed Enhance Mail, URLifier, Cryptor Bundle, etc. Put them all in ~/Library/Mail and guess what! NOTHING HAPPENS! I'm running NS 3.2 on black hardware (a turbo color, such a lovely machine :) but Mail.app 3.3. According to the README for EnhanceMail, there are "reports" of it working for Mail 3.3 running under NS 3.2, but no data on what you have to do to get it to work. So.... is anyone out there in the same situation, and if so have you gotten any of these bundles to work for you. Specific suggestions sought.... I would prefer not having to upgrade the entire OS just to get a little lightning bolt next to the URLs I get in mail messages. Thanks in advance --- Tom _________________________________________________________________ Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Departments of Physics and Chemistry University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 206-685-2395 (W) 206-721-0754 (H) Project Coordinator: Undergraduate Computational Engineering and Sciences http://uces.ameslab.gov/ _________________________________________________________________
From: rfuric@iut-lr.univ-lr.fr (Richard Furic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: defrag and enlarge partition Date: 15 Nov 1996 10:13:32 GMT Organization: Universite de La Rochelle Message-ID: <56hfoc$2nn@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> Hello, Is there a tool to defrag a disk under NeXTSTep 3.3 ? Is there a tool to enlarge a partition ? ( I know 'fips.exe' which split a partition into 2 partitions) --- ########################## # # Richard FURIC # Service informatique # IUT La Rochelle (17) # rue de Vaux de Foletier # #### # # richard.furic@iut-lr.univ-lr.fr # rfuric@iut-lr.univ-lr.fr # ##########################
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hhoff@schwaben.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Message-ID: <E0wosB.128@flop.schwaben.de> Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: home References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> <56eve5$qdu@gate.seicom.net> <E0vtMB.7z8@flop.schwaben.de> <56gikv$9ib@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:52:59 GMT Frank M. Siegert wrote: > No sweat... they were fast, but I was faster :-) They seem to have removed We love you. (besides, I *am* almost blind, but that's not the point :-) > the source from their site, I have no idea why. Maybe one should write an > email to rtsp-feedback@prognet.com asking them if the source is still > available (maybe the location changed and we searched all in the wrong > place...). But at least it was published unter the GPL so I am looking to get > a nice little free RA application up on NS so everybody can have some fun and > use the Internet to its fullest extend. You're right - the source is indeed there, it just cannot be reached through the normal link chain. The correct URL (as revealed by the README in the source archive) is: http://www.prognet.com/prognet/rt/reference.html It seems the links on RA's web server changed and this seems to be a page without inbound reference. Cu Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | Be cool.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: off line news? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 06:29:49 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961111062733.10199B-100000@kira> References: <199611101722.AA24005@msdec.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Ondra Cada <ocs@ms.mff.cuni.cz> In-Reply-To: <199611101722.AA24005@msdec.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com There is a very easy way to do this for the NeXT newsgroups, you can get a digest via email. 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From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER Date: 11 Nov 1996 14:49:59 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <567een$kje@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, I am very worried. I have NS 3.2 on a 486 100 mhz system at home. I received, for the first time ever, the command in the subject header DISK BOOT FAILURE: INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER one a week ago, and ignored it, and hit the reset button, and was off to the races. It then recurred 2 or 3 times over the next few days, which raised my concern. (I am not networked at home, and thus turn my system off when I am not using it for a couple hours.) This morning, the error (at the DOS boot screen) recurred 8 times in a row, and I was sure I was lost. Fortunately, it eventually relented. What does this error mean? Is it hardware or software? Exactly what must I do to fix the problem? Many thanks for any help! Right now I am afraid to power it down until I find out the problem. A non-computer-literate NeXT user with only limited access to a group system admin who doesn't know NeXT, Lones PS I do not even have a 3.2 boot disk, but do not know if this would have helped had the problem not relented, or where I could get one. (I do recall having seen a boot disk for a 2.x OS.) -- .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: krinsky@kopeck.unice.fr (Krinsky Valentin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: huge size of .rtf file - virus? Date: 15 Nov 1996 15:18:57 GMT Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis Message-ID: <56i1l1$aqu@malibu.unice.fr> References: <SHESS.96Nov14160934@slave.one.net> In article <SHESS.96Nov14160934@slave.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > If you open in > Edit, bring up the rulerbar, and use down-arrow to step down through > lines, you'll see the rulerbar change, change, change, change ... I have done it. The rulerbar is fixed, it is the same on every line. In the text opened in Unix (see it in my message), it is seen that the same commands are repeated: change rulerbar to configuration A, change it back, change rulerbar to configuration B, change it back, and they are installed between small groups of words. I am happy to hear that viral infections of NeXT RTF documents - unlikely. What else can you recommend?
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Nov Quiz - new image location Date: 12 Nov 96 19:14:35 GMT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <56aiar$oiv@peng.ping.at> Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate RFC1036/822 UH link-gl.dinoco.de [UUCPfZ V5.81 U031] Dear NEXTSTEP community, due to the ongoing complaints from European contestants concerning the download speed (or rather, lack of) of the SSS Nov quiz page's image, Charles d'Harcourt <charles@harcourt.com> was so kind to mirror that image on his site. The quiz page at http://www.t0.or.at/~ptt/sss/quiz9611.html now links to that mirror image on Charles' site. In case you already know the quiz question by heart and just want to finally get hands on that damn image, you might want to instruct your web browser to go fetch the image directly as http://www.sirius.com/~harcourt/Bug620.gif I apologize for the overall mess once more, although I still can't imagine what was wrong. I got no complaints whatsoever from any of the North American contestants, and neither from local Austrian ones. Nonetheless, other Central European countries seemed to have severe trouble. For instance, downloading that 112K image took Tom Hageman <tom@icgned.nl> from The Netherlands about 11 minutes (via ISDN!), and Detlev Droege <droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> several hours, including half a dozen of failed tries, although Uni Koblenz is hooked to the net via a connection of reasonable bandwidth. Anyway, Charles' site provider is "Sirius" in SF in CA in the States, and "Sirius" is connected to the net via several T1's. So if download times should still crawl, then it's neither an Austrian provider to blame, nor Sirius, but rather some mystery backbone somewhere in Central Europe. Vielleicht sollte man dem DFN bzw. dem Deutschen Wissenschaftsnetz den A.... aufreissen, oder dem DE-CIX in Frankfurt, oder wem auch immer. Was weiss ich! Once again - many thanks to Charles for providing his own web space! - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: anstine@orion.sas.upenn.edu (David R. Anstine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Date: 15 Nov 1996 16:01:21 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <56i44h$u4v@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <56dhbs$abr@netnews.upenn.edu> <56ds87$4c7@usc.edu> Matthew N. Reichman (reichman@usc.edu) wrote: : The kind people at TipTop have it at their ftp site in a pkg! : : ftp://ftp.tiptop.com/pub/Objective/<YOUR-OS>/ Unfortunately, they compiled Perl with a hardcoded path of /LocalDeveloper. -dave
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Windows NT is better! (desktop color schemes) Date: 15 Nov 1996 18:39:56 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <56idds$3ldm@news.doit.wisc.edu> Okay, so that was only a ploy to catch your attention, sorry . . . There is actually one way in which I like NT 4.0 better than OS/Mach. That is the nice little feature that allows me to change the desktop color scheme. The NeXT color scheme of cold-iron-gray just gets me depressed here in Wisconsin in the wintertime. In windows I can change this to warmer colors. Is there an an application that allows color customization of the desktop? If not, is there an easy way of hacking different default colors into the windowserver? I guess if I get no responses on this group, I'll try comp.sys.next.programmer . . . Thanks! -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: anstine@orion.sas.upenn.edu (David R. Anstine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Date: 15 Nov 1996 20:18:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <56ij73$ism@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <56dhbs$abr@netnews.upenn.edu> <56ds87$4c7@usc.edu> <sams.847937517@shellx> Samuel G. Streeper (sams@best.com) wrote: : On NS3.3 I compiled and installed perl 5.003 from the : sources from a local CPAN site without any problem : just using the normal autoconfiguration, and it : passed all the standard tests. I don't have more info on the : version since it just says: : elvis > perl -version : This is perl, version 5.003 with EMBED : built under next at Sat Jul 06 1996 01:03:29 GMT : + suidperl security patch : Sorry if that's not helpful. I just grabbed Perl 5.003 source off a CPAN site, and it compiled with no problems. I had downloaded my previous source files from prep.ai.mit.edu. -dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? Message-ID: <1996Nov15.105503.89095@cc.usu.edu> From: hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Howard R. Cole) Date: 15 Nov 96 10:55:03 MDT References: <562svl$8i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56524l$iac@catapult.gatech.edu> <565au7$hhd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <56aamk$soo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> Organization: USU Space Dynamics Lab Cc: allanmac@blueprint.com In <56ekd8$4ih@news.ziplink.net> Allan MacKinnon wrote: > BTW, RealAudio has released a 'reference' implementation > (source code) of their RA Player and Server. Well, not quite. When I looked at this site, they had -binaries- of their reference implementation of their client available for Windows, FreeBSD, Solaris, and Linux. A description of the protocol is also available, so an implementation could be written from scratch. But no source code. If I'm mistaken about this, if there was a corner of the site that I missed with the source code tucked away in it, please, let me know! - HRC -
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:03:47 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115080046.5733B-100000@kira> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Thomas L. Marchioro II" <tlm@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com The Bundles will work with Mail3.3 on NS 3.2. 1) have you restarted Mail.app since they went to the folder? They are loaded only when the app is started (you can see them report in the console.log) 2) If putting them in ~/Library/Mail doesn't work, try /LocalLibrary/Mail, or drop them inside the Mail.app (which is what I did). Note: you really should put them all in the same place. They seem to work better that way. 'cryptor.bundle' used to only work inside the Mail.app wrapper, so I just put them all in there. TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for Taylor UUCP binaries Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:55:50 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115075503.5733A-100000@kira> References: <E0vA0o.Bvx@news.interactive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Matthew Hocker <hocker@interactive.net> In-Reply-To: <E0vA0o.Bvx@news.interactive.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com You'll find them at ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/comm/ In single archs or QuadFat TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsFlash Date: 16 Nov 1996 02:51:33 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <56ja7l$9rn@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <54n3m5$9711@parabol.taide.net> <54q4bp$6ma@tkhut.sojourn.com> <5543tp$1in8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <562mus$bsh@kanga.accessone.com> <568kme$1dui@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <56annp$fi@jnext.dannug.dk> jacob@dannug.dk (Jacob Nielsen) wrote: > > I really don't want a full fledged news server on my own net for various > > reasons.. PersonalInn seems to work fine > > Isn't PersonalINN the INN news server precompiled and in a .pkg? > > INN seems fairly full fledged to me... Well, Yes and No... ;-) Basically, PersonalINN is INN precompiled, indeed. But a lot of programs and files not needed for personal use (actually more than 50%!) are omitted (and a few others added...) Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: gshaw@zeta.org.au (Greg Shaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Windows NT is better! (desktop color schemes) Date: 16 Nov 1996 02:13:41 GMT Organization: Kralizec Dialup Internet Sydney, http://www.zeta.org.au/ Message-ID: <56j80l$adj@phaedrus.kralizec.net.au> References: <56idds$3ldm@news.doit.wisc.edu> Keywords: desktop colour scheme In article <56idds$3ldm@news.doit.wisc.edu> giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) writes: > Okay, so that was only a ploy to catch your attention, sorry . . . > > There is actually one way in which I like NT 4.0 better than OS/Mach. That > is the nice little feature that allows me to change the desktop color scheme. > The NeXT color scheme of cold-iron-gray just gets me depressed here in > Wisconsin in the wintertime. In windows I can change this to warmer colors. > > Is there an an application that allows color customization of the desktop? Yes, In Preferences.app (double click the clock) select the screen icon (between the mouse and the speaker). On Display preferences select Colors... and fiddle to your heart's content (or eye's content) > If not, is there an easy way of hacking different default colors into the > windowserver? What an ugly idea. > > I guess if I get no responses on this group, I'll try > comp.sys.next.programmer . . . > > Thanks! > > > -- > Michael Giddings > giddings@chem.wisc.edu > giddings@barbarian.com > (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 > http://www.barbarian.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Sam Przyswa" <sam@musical.fdn.org> Subject: Re: script to convert Next mailboxes to Windows mailboxes Message-ID: <01bbd387$b03aa660$48ce75c2@saturn> Sender: news@musical.fdn.org Organization: Individual References: <327AB01F.79A9@freemansoft.com> <19961115063700.BAA14999@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:31:44 GMT steveg219@aol.com wrote in article <19961115063700.BAA14999@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > This same functionality is very important to us as well. We have several > users who will be migrating from NeXTSTEP to WIN 95. > > The ability to translate the existing NeXT mailboxes to something useable, > or even just readable, such as Eudora or Netscape mail would be ideal. Any > information regarding a way to do this would be greatly appreciated. > I don't know if this help, but I use a NEXTSTEP station as Intranet server for Windows-95 machines, Eudora or Netscape Mail use SMTP/POP3 to pickup the mail, you have to install Popper from the PopOver distribution and then configure the IP address of the NeXT station as mailserver in Eudora or Netscape, that's it. Sam
From: tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: 16 Nov 1996 07:32:46 GMT Organization: Depts. of Physics and Chemistry, Univ. of Washington Message-ID: <56jqmu$ldk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Cc: tlm@u.washington.edu Thomas L. Marchioro II wrote: > <some questions about NeXTmail bundles> Thanks to TjL, GJ van Oldenborgh, Mark Doyle, and Stefan Ried for quick responses on this. I just needed to reload Mail.app 3.3 properly and put the bundles in /LocalLibrary/Mail instead of ~/Library/Mail. Apparently in a space saving move I had deleted the Help.store file from Mail.app, and the Enhance.bundle didn't like that. Thanks again for the help, makes for a real improvement to my mail setup. TLM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Departments of Physics and Chemistry University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 206-685-2395 (W) 206-721-0754 (H) Project Coordinator: Undergraduate Computational Engineering and Sciences http://uces.ameslab.gov/ _________________________________________________________________
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:20:15 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115231734.11232C-100000@kira> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115080046.5733B-100000@kira> <56ib0m$8sp@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Matthew N. Reichman" <reichman@usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <56ib0m$8sp@usc.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115080046.5733B-100000@kira> Timothy > Luoma wrote: > > Note: you really should put them all in the same place. > They seem to work > > better that way. 'cryptor.bundle' used to only work inside > the Mail.app > > wrapper, so I just put them all in there. > > > > TjL > > Shame! Doesn't that violate the principle of distinguishing > original NeXT stuff from add-ons/ins? yup. However, they are important enough that I remember that I've moved them, and most of them are on the Nebula CD-ROM, so even if I were to forget about them, I could get them back pretty easily. Not quite the same as making sure that Emacs.app etc (~12 megs?) sticks around. Of course, I've got 3.3 running on a NeXTStation with 32 ram max.... I doubt she'll ever seen another upgrade.... TjL
From: "Stuart R. Ainsworth" <sainswor@sage.uga.cc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP!!! Windows on NextStep Mach 3.1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:19:40 -0500 Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Message-ID: <328D32CC.7098@sage.uga.cc.edu> References: <56987j$nlp@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have a friend who has a Next Step machine that has a dual configuration; when the system boots, she has the option of going to DOS or defaulting to the Next Step OS. She knows very little about Next Step (it was a beta machine that she got for very little money, so she took it). Here's the problem: she wants to load Windows 3.1 onto her machine so that she can run the same applications at home that she does at work. She enlisted my help to do this, but I know enough about Next Step to cause an ant to trip :) Could some kind soul please reply to me personally to help me figure out what questions to even ask? She's running Next Mach 3.1 on an Intel 486-DX66. That's all I know. Thanks in advance :) -- Stuart R. Ainsworth Dept of Speech Communication University of Georgia stainswo@uga.cc.uga.edu http://www.arches.uga.edu/~stainswo
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNUstep Date: 12 Nov 1996 10:36:00 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <569jug$3h1@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <55vd5q$r88@news.ratol.fi> Jukka Tainio (jjt@viper.oas.ratol.fi) wrote: : Can anyone point me a place, where I can find binaries or sources for : GNUstep? I have tried from the GNUStep www -pages (www.gnustep.org), : without any success. All information (ftp addresses etc.) is acceptable... I don't know where you had your eyes. On the GNUstep Resources page (http://www.gnustep.org/Resources/Resources.html), there are pointers to all major GNUstep ftp archives (since I fixed the page a few days ago ;-): ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu for public releases and ftp://alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu/gnu/gnustep for developer snapshots Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: using rdist (or other) for remote file distribution Date: 12 Nov 1996 07:43:09 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <569rct$cbe@papoose.quick.com> References: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> In article <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, Michael Friendly <friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca> wrote: >Anyone know what is required to use /usr/ucb/rdist for remote file >distributon, ie, what is required on the remote host? >I get permission denied trying to use it to maintain copies of local >files on a remote AIX machine. >There does not seem to be any way to supply a >login password for use by rdist. Does it use .netrc? rdist relies on rhosts style authentication. Its current failure shows that you do not have an appropriate .rhosts file on the remote end. To get it working just rlogin to the remote host then finger yourself and use the 'from' information to determine what exact hostname to use in your .rhosts file. Add this hostname to ~/.rhosts and rdist will now work. >Is there some other software that allows one to maintain identical, >up-to-date copies of files on a remote system? Most of the mirror software >I've seen works in reverse -- updating local copies from the remote. The only other real choice is sup, and yes it, runs on the client side and pulls files accross, rather than pushing them from the server. sup is better for situations where you have a large number of clients requiring updates. It is also more configurable. The downside is that this power comes at the cost of more complexity. If you have other uses for sup - such as keeping linux or NETBSD sources up to date - then bite the bullet and learn sup. If you do not, rdist should be fine for your purposes. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Give me good reasons to upgrade NS3.2 to OS4.0 Date: 12 Nov 1996 19:25:39 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Message-ID: <56aivj$p3h@peng.ping.at> References: <55t1k8$74i@cnn.Princeton.EDU> In-Reply-To: <55t1k8$74i@cnn.Princeton.EDU> On 11/07/96, Timothy Van Zandt wrote: >Why should I upgrade my NextStation Turbo (48 meg ram) from >NS 3.2 to OS 4.0 for Mach? You simply shouldn't. If you like to, you could upgrade to NS3.3 plus upgrade patch, which is the best and most stable version as of now. PLEASE get your hands off ver4.0, and perhaps even ver4.1. Cheers, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Paul Heffernan <phef@cedar.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Edit and RTF Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:10:47 +0000 Organization: Cedar Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: <xNgiaEA3uMiyEwnE@cedar.co.uk> References: <564is4$m2a@freenet-b.fim.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <564is4$m2a@freenet-b.fim.uni-erlangen.de>, Henning Heinze <na199@fim.uni-erlangen.de> writes > >Error with NeXTstep: > >If somebody has to work with rtf-files imported from WORD, >he will notice that 'Edit' (in my case on the black machine) >is not always interpreting these rtf files right. > >Example: the so called emdash will just vanish without >trace! > >I tried to load the same text with Cedartext (no >affiliation) just by chance, this program gets the emdash >right. The emdash is then secure even if you work on these >files later with Edit. > >Has anybody noticed other fatal errors with imported >rtf-files (whatever the source)? Info welcome. > >Henning Heinze >na199@fim.uni-erlangen.de > > This problem is due to an oversight in the way that Edit.app produces and processes rtf. At the start of rtf files, after the rtf directive is the directive that indicates which character set has been used to encode ASCII characters 128-255. Edit.app writes an \ansi directive indicating that characters are written using the ANSI character encodings. In reality, characters such as emdash are written using the NEXTSTEP character encoding D0. This causes problems when such rtf files are read into word processors as they read that the character set is ansi and translate the characters accordingly. Edit.app ignores the character set directive and assumes all characters were saved using the NEXTSTEP character encoding vector. Incidently, the NEXTSTEP Text class also reads and writes rtf in the same way (no surprises here!). I would imagine this has, however, been corrected in the NSText class. If this is a problem for you, it should be straightforward to write a couple of filters to convert NeXT rtf to and from ANSI rtf. Alternatively use a NeXT word processor instead. Another problem you may encounter when reading Edit.app rtf documents into other word processors is when you have used pantone and other named colours in an Edit document. The rtf that is produced does not make use of the rtf \* directive to introduce a group that should be ignored if the first directive is not understood. The result is that you will get a load of hex digits at the start of your document! I'm sure NeXT will have corrected this with NSText. Paul. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Heffernan, Product Development Manager. Cedar Systems, 2440 The Quadrant, Aztec West, Bristol BS12 4AQ, UK Phone: +44 (0) 1454 878708 Fax : +44 (0) 1454 878608
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT OS Date: 16 Nov 1996 14:57:09 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-j-30.usc.edu Message-ID: <56kko5$7vm@usc.edu> References: <Rali-0511961557560001@dept45.ac-sia.depaul.edu> <56i6as$40f@news.next.com> Cc: Rali@shrike.depaul.edu In <56i6as$40f@news.next.com> Eren Kotan wrote: > In article <Rali-0511961557560001@dept45.ac-sia.depaul.edu> > Rali@shrike.depaul.edu (Raz) writes: > > > I currently own a Macintosh, however i always have wanted a NeXT since > > they came out. Recently i have noticed some local computer stores with > > used NeXT's. Before i take the plunge, can i use my Mac OS on next > > machines? Also what other OS' will run? What kind of software do i need? > I > > dont think there are any new versions of Clarisworks or MS Word out for > > Nextstep. > > You can get a Macintosh emulator board called Daydream for NeXTcubes. This > works extremely well, almost as well as a real Mac, from what I have seen. > > For a slower and less reliable alternative, there is a software Mac > emulator for NEXTSTEP machines called Executor.app. I don't know the > current status of this product, though versions used to exist for MSDOS, > etc., as well as NEXTSTEP. As for Executor.app - it has its own newsgroup; it IS NOT less reliable anymore and works extremely well. And it IS NOT slow. The latest version is extremely sophisticated and flexible and runs just about everything, including MS Word and Clarisworks at speeds comparable to running them on well-equipped Quadras, and the interface is great. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. OpenWrite, though kludgy in some respects, handles MS Word docs quite well. SEE: http://www.ardi.com/ ALSO SEE (for pretty current listing of programs that just work on it): http://vorlon.mit.edu/ardi/proglist/Utility.html -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
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From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:31:41 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Nov16.143141.9514@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <56ij73$ism@netnews.upenn.edu> In article <56ij73$ism@netnews.upenn.edu> anstine@orion.sas.upenn.edu (David R. Anstine) writes: > I just grabbed Perl 5.003 source off a CPAN site, and it compiled with no > problems. I had downloaded my previous source files from prep.ai.mit.edu. Be aware that most packages I have seen for NeXTSTEP have a bug in the socket code. This usually means that it works OK on black, but not on Intel. The simple test is to attempt to run mirror :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: defrag and enlarge partition Message-ID: <E0yo08.8FH@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <56hfoc$2nn@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:31:20 GMT In article <56hfoc$2nn@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> rfuric@iut-lr.univ-lr.fr (Richard Furic) writes: > Hello, > > Is there a tool to defrag a disk under NeXTSTep 3.3 ? Is there > a tool to enlarge a partition ? ( I know 'fips.exe' which split > a partition into 2 partitions) > Not meaning to be offensive, but... The concepts you're referring to are purely MS/DOS specific. And therefore these problems have to be resolved in DOS, and only in DOS! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: 16 Nov 1996 19:04:11 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <56l37b$5pp@news4.digex.net> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <56jqmu$ldk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > Thanks again for the help, makes for a real improvement to my mail setup. Is anyone else having problems with the new 2.0 versions of enhanceMail.bundle? It doesn't do the .signature right for me. Once I bring up a new compose mail window, it comes up with my ascii.signature. But, there after, if I qoute something, or change the format of mail from plain to say NeXTmail, the signature disappears and a different one does not take its place. I.E. no RTF.signature get's inserted, nor does the quote and .signature (either ascii or rtf) stay together. Things work fine for me with enhanceMail.bundle 1.3 Anyone else having this problem? -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:52:10 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961116114858.17272B-100000@kira> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <56jqmu$ldk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Thomas L. Marchioro II" <tlm@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <56jqmu$ldk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > Thanks to TjL, GJ van Oldenborgh, Mark Doyle, and Stefan Ried for quick > responses on this. I just needed to reload Mail.app 3.3 properly and put > the bundles in /LocalLibrary/Mail instead of ~/Library/Mail. Apparently > in a space saving move I had deleted the Help.store file from Mail.app, > and the Enhance.bundle didn't like that. Remember, EnhanceMail is a program designed without any access to source code for Mail.app. It is very sensitive. There is "Help" available re EnhanceMail, which probably tacks itself onto the end of the existing Help.store, so it makes sense that it would not deal well with the absence of the file... Glad it worked. TjL ps -- I think the bundles *should* work in ~/Library/Mail, but why not just install them globally
From: welshwytch <violette@vasilisa.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: JDK for NI? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:55:02 -0800 Organization: Vasilisa Productions Message-ID: <328E8C96.25B7@vasilisa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could some kind person please point me to where I may download the Java Developer's Kit for NS3.3, Intel? Thank you, -patricia
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Windows NT is better! (desktop color schemes) Date: 16 Nov 1996 21:58:28 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <56lde4$3nim@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <56idds$3ldm@news.doit.wisc.edu> <56j80l$adj@phaedrus.kralizec.net.au> Cc: gshaw@zeta.org.au In <56j80l$adj@phaedrus.kralizec.net.au> Greg Shaw wrote: > In article <56idds$3ldm@news.doit.wisc.edu> > giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) writes: > > Yes, In Preferences.app (double click the clock) select the screen icon > (between the mouse and the speaker). On Display preferences select > Colors... and fiddle to your heart's content (or eye's content) > I actually meant more than just the background color, which is all the screen prefs do (I run Fiend and use a background image anyway). What I was referring to was changing the colors of windows, menu bars, and such from slate grey to a bit warmer color, such as a light tan or whatever. I know it can be done, because Radical news has light-blue colored windows. > > If not, is there an easy way of hacking different default colors into > the > > windowserver? > > What an ugly idea. Ugly, yes, but if it's the only practical way, then ugly doesn't really matter if the end result is the same. I hope there is another way but haven't gotten a response yet . . . I think it would be great if there was some undocumented defaults database entry that allowed changing this as the default for all windows and menus . . -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: stefanos@Vir.com (Stefanos Kiakas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Request for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? ) Date: 16 Nov 1996 15:49:32 -0500 Organization: Communications Vir, Internet Access Montreal. Distribution: world Message-ID: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> Hello everyone, Why don't we try and setup a way to compensate people who write software for NeXTSTEP/OpenStep and release the source code under GPL. One way this could work 1) People interested in having some software writen for NeXTSTEP/OpenSTep get together and contribute money to a fund to be paid to the author of the software. 2) A request for bids whould be posted on c.s.n.announce with all the information. 3) A candidate is selected to write the code from the respondents. 4) Once code has been delivered the money in the fund is paid to the candidate and the code is released under GPL. What do you think? I'd like to hear your comments and ideas. stef Gary Finley (gfin@psych.ualberta.ca) wrote: : On 11/13/96, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: : >...A RealAudio player under NS/OS would be very cool. : >... the relevant people are looking at it already. : Holger: : If you and your buddies do a shareware RA bundle for OmniWeb, I'd : be delighted bo buy a couple of copies. I think many others reading : this group would do likewise. I mailed Brian Willoughby (author of the : Ensoniq driver) a couple of weeks ago, and suggested that he consider : doing the job. Please give this project very serious consideration, we : *need* this! : Cheers. : -- : ---------------------------------------------- : Gary Finley, Psychology Dept. Univ. of Alberta : Network manager, Web manager, and postmaster. : gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome) : http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/staff_bios/gary.finley.htmld/
From: Michael R Greaves <greaves+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Sun Hardware and Nextstep Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:12:42 -0500 Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8mXXlOy00YUq0KtEY0@andrew.cmu.edu> Hello: I am currently using a Sun Ultra Enterprise 150, and am interested in converting to the NextStep. Currently, I am using a version of OpenStep downloaded from the Sun web site, however experiencing colormap problems with my X server. I am under the impression that if I do fully convert to NextOS, neither my SUN cards (ie SunPC, and third party video capture and video editing) nor Solaris software (i.e Photoshop, MAE, or Framemaker) will work. Is this assumption correct, and if so, what alternatives do I have? Additionally, does the commercial version of Openstep deal with colormap problems? Thanks, Michael R. Greaves
From: Alex Blakemore <alex@genoa.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: class-dump is broken in OPENSTEP Date: 14 Nov 1996 03:16:23 GMT Organization: Genoa Software Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: <56e2u7$5a6@saturn.genoa.com> References: <562gdq$fin@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: aisbell@ix.netcom.com In <562gdq$fin@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> Art Isbell wrote: > class-dump, a very useful utility for printing class interfaces used by > apps and other NS executables, has broken under OS. Does anyone how to write > such a utility The header file <objc/objc-runtime.h> shows how to iterate over all classes. The run time system functions documentation under /NextDeveloper/Documentation/NextDev/Reference/RunTimeSystem/Functions show how to extract detailed ivar and method description info from the class object. The rest is left as an exercise for the reader :-) -- Alex Blakemore alex@genoa.com NeXT, MIME and ASCII mail accepted
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 17 Nov 1996 00:39:15 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> stefanos@Vir.com (Stefanos Kiakas) wrote: > 4) Once code has been delivered the money in the fund > is paid to the candidate and the code is released > under GPL. Hi Stefanos :) (THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARD YOU, JUST A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO VENT :) Seems like the communist manifesto of GPL is proven most wrong in practice? What ever happened to the notion of programmers being satisfied with the privilege of writing software for the sheer joy of it; since it's so much fun? I have personally found that notion to be almost as stupid as the communist regimes of the past and present, but seems like hypocrisy that major projects locked away under the moronic manifesto of GNU would need to be developed counter to the tenants of that manifesto? When can we get rid of that stupid and moronic need to lock it away and let people who do us all a kindness actually make enough to feed a family...oh dear, I keep forgetting, just as the state did provide, so will the wonderful Gnu keepers of the manifesto. (and if you're wondering, yes I'm bitch from too much law school work :) Anyway, I hope the search works out well for all. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: 16 Nov 1996 23:45:36 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-h-21.usc.edu Message-ID: <56ljn0$a63@usc.edu> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <56jqmu$ldk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <56l37b$5pp@news4.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <56l37b$5pp@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > > Thanks again for the help, makes for a real improvement to my mail setup. > > Is anyone else having problems with the new 2.0 versions of > enhanceMail.bundle? > > It doesn't do the .signature right for me. Once I bring up a new compose > mail window, it comes up with my ascii.signature. But, there after, if I > qoute something, or change the format of mail from plain to say NeXTmail, > the signature disappears and a different one does not take its place. > > I.E. no RTF.signature get's inserted, nor does the quote and .signature > (either ascii or rtf) stay together. I'm running NS3.3 patched, and I have the same problem. Didn't notice as my default type is MIME for new mail, and then the switching signatures works fine. It seems only a problem when starting with ascii format compose. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: 17 Nov 1996 01:32:09 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <56lpup$kaf@news3.digex.net> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <56jqmu$ldk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <56l37b$5pp@news4.digex.net> <56ljn0$a63@usc.edu> Before I wrote: > > It doesn't do the .signature right for me. Once I bring up a new compose To wit Matt reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) replied: > I'm running NS3.3 patched, and I have the same problem. Didn't notice as my default type is MIME for new mail, and then the switching signatures works fine. It seems only a problem when starting with ascii format compose. I tried that...It's a little better, but still broken... When you set the default type to MIME or NeXTmail, then at least the sig doesn't disappear either when switching mail types or quoting. However, it uses only the RTF sig. I.E. when you quote or just switch the mail type to plain text, it doesn't load the plain ascii.signature, but rather, just converts the current rtf.signature into ascii.... Where as version 1.3 deals correctly with this and other circumstances (such as when an another app brings up the compose window). So for now, I'll stay with 1.3...though I REALLY miss the darn smiley feature :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: nasta@actcom.co.il (Rossinski) Subject: NEW SOFTWARE!!! readme!! HTTP://www.actcom.co.il/~nasta Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <E0zw8t.1G0@actcom.co.il> Sender: news@actcom.co.il (News) Organization: Your Organization Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:26:53 GMT Dear Sirs, "ROSSI-AL" Israeli & Russian Joint Venture established on the basis of the former USSR defence complex's design bureau and staffed with highly gualified programmers, is engaged in developing software and is ready to propose programs as follows: 1. SLOTEX The program presents a text editor possessing principally new abilities. In addition to the possibility of regular keying in you can dictate your text to a computer as if it were your personal secretary. A computer executes spelling correction and may work in an automated mode of punctuation marks arangement. Other commands may be issued to a computer in voice. Practically, you just speak to a computer. You dictate a text in order to receive a text file that requires no further editing. Working with a computer produces the effect of communication with a real person. The program automatically accomodates to any type of a user's voice and is based on the original program of processing phonetic successions elaborated by our experts. At present the program is able to work with English, Russian, German, French, Italian and Czeck languages. A computer of a 486 or higher type, sounblaster, a memory in the volume of 3mb, and Windows 3.1 or 95 are demanded for operating this program. You may purchase it either in the shape of a compact disc or a floppy disc. Prices: a compact disc: 29$ a floppy discs: 37$ ________________________________________________________ 2. REORA A reading program. This program is intended transducing text files into sound ones. It is able to read any text file recorded in any text format, the voice quality being adequate to a regular voice quality. The program lays logical stresses, and you may choose any voice timber and reading rate you desire. At present the program is able to work with English, Russian, German, French, Italian and Czeck languages. A computer of a 486 or higher type, a soundblaster, memory in the volume of 3mb, and Windovs 3.1 or 95 are demanded for operating the program. You may purchase it either in the shape of a compact disc or floppy disc. Prices: a compact disc: 29$ a floppy discs: 33$ _________________________________________________ 3. SCANESCAN The program is intended for transforming hand-written text or typed text into text files. By means of this program a user in able to transform any text information presented either on paper or in any image file into a file of any text format. The program operates very quickly and is able to decipher a most terrible hand-writing. if a hand-writing still presents difficulties for deciphering you may "teach" you program how to do it thanks to a self-training program installed in it. The program can operate with any kind of scanner. A computer of a 386 or a higher type, a memory in the volume of 1mb, and Windows 3.1 or 95 are demanded for operating this program. You may purchase it either in the shape of a compact disc or a floppy disc. Prices: a compact disc: 29$ a floppy discs: 33$ _________________________________________________ 4. GOLGOL The program is intended for transforming voices. By applying it you may transform any kind of voice. The program is able to transform a man's voice into a woman's one, an adult's voice into a child's one, and an old man's voice into a young man's one. There also exists the possibility to imitate a voice according to a pattern given, i.e. you are to introduce a pattern of any voice (two or three tape-recorder phrases) , and a computer will speak in this very voice. Voice editing function is also available, e.g. if you speak any language with an accent, the program is able to eliminate the accent. The transducing quality is ideal. All the transformations are performed in a real time mode, i.e. that a sound entering a sounblaster, e.g. by means of a microphone, is immediately transformed and output either to an out device or to a dynamic installation. By means of this program you can speak over the telephone in a stranger's voice and even sing in Michale Jackson's voice. A computer of a 486 or a higher type, a soundblaster, a memory in the volume of 3mb, and Windows 3.1 or 95 are demanded for operating this program. You may purchase it either in the shape of a compact disc or a floppy disc. Price: a compact disc: 29$ a floppy discs 37$ __________________________________________________ 5. PRETUOR An interpreter. A new multi-functional interpreter based on a principally new approach comprising the application of an electronic intellect. The interpreter not only translates a given text, bat also processes it, thus yielding a literary translation that needs only unsufficient further editing. This program's main peculiarity is that translator is able to work not only text , but with voice signals as well. Having connected a microphone up to your computer's soundblaster and having pronounced several phrases e.g. in English, within 2-3 seconds you are able to hear them translated e.g. into French. It means an electronic interpreter can replace a real person in business talk. The quality of translation is ensured. The program works with English, French, German, Russian and Italian language in any possible combination. A computer of a 486 or a higher type, a soundblaster, a memory in the volume of 5mb, and Windows 3.1 or 95 are demanded for operating this program. You may purchase it in the shape of a compact disc. Price: a compact disc: 69$ (2 discs; a main one + languages) a floppy discs: is not manufactured. ___________________________________________________________________ _______ 6. GOLOS The program is intended for Windows 3.1 or 95 and enables a user not only able to issue voiced commands in Windows, bat to receive voiced messages ,ask voiced questions and receve voiced help. A program provides a user with a possibility to install protection for any of his programs or to a computer in general. In the process of a user's entering a protected program a computer demands pronouncing a sound password and compares a user's voice and/or password to that one stored in its memory. A computer of a 386 or a higher type, a soundblaster, a memory in the volume of 1mb, and Windows 3.1 or 95 are demanded for operating this program. You may purchase it either in the shape of a compact disc or a floppy disc. Price: a compact disc: 29$ a floppy discs 33$ __________________________________________________ In case you purchase all the six sets the price will amount to 149$ All the price comprise mailing any country. The company is not responsible for local taxes and duties. If you desire to purchase one of the above programs you are to transfer the sum specified to our account: ISRAEL DISCOUNT BANK HERZEL 35, HAIFA BANK NUMBER 011 BRANCH HADAR-HACARMEL BRANCH NUMBER 071 ACCOUNT 979015-665061 "ROSSINSKY ALEXANDER" and send us a letter (by means electronic mail <nasta@actcom.co.il>) comprising data as follows: 1. Your mailing address. 2. Your telephone number. 3. A program you wish to order. 4. Number of sets. 5. Whether you want to receive the program on CD or FD. 6. Your money transfer No. 7. Transfer amount. 8. Your electronic address. Your order will be accomplished within three weeks since the date of receiving your money transfer. Our electronic adress is: nasta@actcom.co.il HTTP://WWW.ACTCOM.CO.IL/~NASTA ALL THE RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED. Translation by PRETUOR Russian-English Compile 100%
From: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Majid Ftouhi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Quality of PostScript files? HELP Date: 17 Nov 1996 04:44:04 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <56m56k$3j8@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Hi there: I'm intel NextStep 3.3 user. I don't know why the quality of the poscript file generated after using TextEdit.app is so bad to be seen and to printed. Please help me to fix this problem, thanks in advance -- Majid Ftouhi Departement d'Informatique et Recherche Operationnelle Universite de Montreal email: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (MIME & NeXTMail available) ==============================================================
From: Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Archie Client for NextStep Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:35:35 +0000 Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961115153438.7102B-100000@pollux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, what is the latest version of the Graphical Archie client for NExtStep? Regards --- Konstantin Wiesel Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de
From: Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Graphical IRC client for NextStep? Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:36:42 +0000 Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961115153553.7102C-100000@pollux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a graphical IRC client available for NextStep? Regards --- Konstantin Wiesel Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de
Date: 18 Nov 1996 10:14:21 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <cancel.E0zw8t.1G0@actcom.co.il> Control: cancel <E0zw8t.1G0@actcom.co.il> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: news@actcom.co.il (News) Subject: cmsg cancel <E0zw8t.1G0@actcom.co.il> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19961118.42 for further details
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.tex Subject: Wanted: Source for TeXview for NEXTSTEP 2.x Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:10:16 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <56q1p8$do9@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> I'm looking for the source of the old NeXTTeX TeXview application as included with NEXTSTEP 2.x. The one with the zoom and resolution buttons in the main window. I'm not even sure if the source was made available once, but perhaps somebody with 2.x could do me a favour and browse through /usr/lib/tex/src. If there a texview directory ? Many thanks in advance, Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Quality of PostScript files? HELP Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:30:50 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <56q2vq$do9@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <56m56k$3j8@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Majid Ftouhi (ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA) wrote: : Hi there: : I'm intel NextStep 3.3 user. I don't know why the quality of the : poscript file generated after using TextEdit.app is so bad to be : seen and to printed. : : Please help me to fix this problem, I'm pretty sure that you aren't talking about TextEdit.app (which is new in OS 4.0), but about TeXEdit, and therefore in fact about TeX and TeXview. Postscript files produced by TeX tend to look bad when previewed. When printing them, you have to make sure that it's produced for the correct printer resolution. In fact, PS files produced with dvips (and that's what TeXview uses) aren't really device-independent. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: root@nxs.math.wisc.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GateKepper 2.0b7 questions Date: 18 Nov 1996 18:04:08 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <56q8eo$27jo@news.doit.wisc.edu> I've installed GateKeeper 2.0b7 on top of my existing ppp2.2 setup. It runs fine and bring up the link, unlink, etc but there's a few quirks I'd like to try and fix: 1. The online timer doesn't work. The app icon stays as the very annonying lightning flashes and the timer panel never moves off 0:00. The online help says the link uptime should be display. 2. The pull-down menu command for the serial port speed changes the wrong value in the options file. Instead of changing say cufa 38400 to cufa 57600 it changes the mtu 256 to mtu 57600! I ended up editting the options file manually but is this a well-known bug? 3. Why the "Secure Display" (to hide the username and password in the diagnostics window) if GateKepper requires its pppup script to be world readable? Since GateKeeper is running as suid I would hope I could make the pppup script go-rwx (I don't like passwords written in scripts, especially if the script is readable by anyone!). But if I do this GateKeeper fails with a permissions denied messages. If you recall, SlipCommander had a nice feature where the username and password were encrypted in the app and only decrypted on the fly to feed the slip driver. This would be a nice feature in GateKeeper too. Otherwise, its nice app - Gareth
From: stevey@stevey.webmedia.co.uk (Steve Mynott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: using rdist (or other) for remote file distribution Date: 14 Nov 1996 10:06:05 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <slrn58lrlq.73k.stevey@stevey.webmedia.co.uk> References: <55q4u7$drv@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> <569rct$cbe@papoose.quick.com> rsync operates like a remote copy but only sends the differences. ftp://samba.anu.edu.au/pub/rsync -- Steve Mynott, Webmedia Ltd, 2 Kendall Place, London W1H 3AH Email: stevey@webmedia.com Mobile: 0956 265761
From: ekotan@samba.next.com (Eren Kotan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT OS Date: 15 Nov 1996 16:38:52 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <56i6as$40f@news.next.com> References: <Rali-0511961557560001@dept45.ac-sia.depaul.edu> In article <Rali-0511961557560001@dept45.ac-sia.depaul.edu> Rali@shrike.depaul.edu (Raz) writes: > I currently own a Macintosh, however i always have wanted a NeXT since > they came out. Recently i have noticed some local computer stores with > used NeXT's. Before i take the plunge, can i use my Mac OS on next > machines? Also what other OS' will run? What kind of software do i need? I > dont think there are any new versions of Clarisworks or MS Word out for > Nextstep. You can get a Macintosh emulator board called Daydream for NeXTcubes. This works extremely well, almost as well as a real Mac, from what I have seen. For a slower and less reliable alternative, there is a software Mac emulator for NEXTSTEP machines called Executor.app. I don't know the current status of this product, though versions used to exist for MSDOS, etc., as well as NEXTSTEP. There are thankfully no versions of any Microsoft apps on NeXT machines. Some view this as a 'A Good Thing (TM)'. For NEXTSTEP word processing, have a look at WriteUp, which is a good word processor that is meant to handle MS Word files. Better still, you can get FrameMaker which is still a great DTP package, though expensive. Regards, Eren -- Best friend money can buy. NeXT Software (UK) Limited Technical Support Phone: (01628) 535 222
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail bundles for Mail3.3 on NS 3.2 Date: 15 Nov 1996 17:58:46 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-d-62.usc.edu Message-ID: <56ib0m$8sp@usc.edu> References: <56hb65$o5j@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115080046.5733B-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961115080046.5733B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > Note: you really should put them all in the same place. They seem to work > better that way. 'cryptor.bundle' used to only work inside the Mail.app > wrapper, so I just put them all in there. > > TjL Shame! Doesn't that violate the principle of distinguishing original NeXT stuff from add-ons/ins? -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,desy.h1.news,fj.sys.news,swnet.internet.news,uk.net.news,alt.fan.news-admins,alt.tv.news-shows,uk.net.news.config,de.admin.news.groups,de.admin.news.misc,de.admin.news.net-abuse.misc,de.admin.news.software,de.alt.newsgroups,fj.news.newsite,relcom.mn.newspaper,alt.journalism.newspapers,alt.tv.newsradio,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,fj.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,chinese.newsgroups.newusers,comp.sys.next,fj.sys.next,maus.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,alt.sex.nfs,comp.protocols.nfs,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.si Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work From: rscott@fcc.com_ (R. Scott Perry) Organization: Computerized Horizons References: <133.353194369934@news.nemonet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <329101fc.0@207.41.47.8> Date: 19 Nov 96 00:40:28 GMT In article <133.353194369934@news.nemonet.com>, sbolting@nemonet.com (Steve Boltinghouse of 1009 Bird St., Hannibal, MO 63401) says... > By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. No, you didn't... you made perhaps $5. And, considering you could be fined $1,000 and go to jail for 5 years, would making $47,000 be worth it? Not only are chain letters illegal in the U.S. (2 year jail term for first offence, see below), they CAN NOT WORK. There would have to be over 1,000,000,000,000 people participating for them to work. Here's PROOF: --- The chain letters claim that you will make at least $10,000 (often they claim $20,000 or $50,000), by people sending you $1 bills. If the person who originally wrote the chain letter made $10,000 off of it, then there are at least 10,000 people who have joined so far. That's obvious; if someone made $10,000 from people sending him $1, then 10,000 people have joined so far. In order for each of those 10,000 people to make $10,000, there would need to be 100,000,000 people joining (10,000 people already in the program, each causing another 10,000 to join; 10,000 times 10,000 is 100,000,000). That, too, is quite obvious. So, if you saw this chain letter and joined it, according to the way the chain letter claims it works, there would be 100,000,000 other people joining. For all of you to make your $10,000, you would each need to cause another 10,000 people to sign up. How many are we at now? It's simple: 100,000,000 people times 10,000 new people each. That's 1,000,000,000,000 (1 trillion) people joining. That's about 200 times as many people as there are on this planet. Now do you understand why chain letters won't work? --- Chain letters are illegal if the chain letter or money is transferred via U.S. Mail, and can get you a $1,000 fine and a 2 YEAR jail sentence for your first offense. The second offence can get you in jail for 5 years. Even if transmitted via the Internet, they violate Title 18 USC Section 1302, the Postal Lottery Statute. For verification, you can currently go to http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/ chainlet.htm to see that it is illegal, and go to http://www.usps.gov/ websites/depart/inspect/usc18/lottery.htm for the text of the law). --- Feel free to copy this in response to any chain letters you see, hopefully as enough people see this, the chain letters will stop. -Scott RSP
From: Salvo@AccessOne .COM (Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 19 Nov 1996 07:14:12 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <56rmo4$mft@kanga.accessone.com> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Cc: luomat@nerc.com In <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Timothy Luoma wrote: > Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? > I've been using ToyViewer's "Save As" feature, but wondering if there is > another/better way. In addition to these, PixelMagician supports a wide variety of formats, all of which can be interchangeably converted. All of these formats are extensible to other applications via the companion ImageAgent service. A very nice application. -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:38:42 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? I've been using ToyViewer's "Save As" feature, but wondering if there is another/better way. Thanks TjL
From: ekotan@next.com (Eren Kotan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT OS Date: 18 Nov 1996 17:41:06 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <56q73i$3t6@news.next.com> References: <56kko5$7vm@usc.edu> > As for Executor.app - it has its own newsgroup; it IS NOT > less reliable anymore and works extremely well. And it IS NOT > slow. The latest version is extremely sophisticated and > flexible and runs just about everything, including MS Word > and Clarisworks at speeds comparable to running them on > well-equipped Quadras, and the interface is great. I meant slow compared to the DayDream board! And let's face it, the hardware emulator here _is_ faster than Executor.app. Thanks, Eren PS: My e-mail address as given below should not bounce. -- Eren Kotan Best friend money can buy. NeXT Software (UK) Limited Technical Support
From: hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu (Carl Hoefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WordPerfect compatible replacement Date: 18 Nov 1996 22:06:38 GMT Message-ID: <56qmle$luo$1@rumors.ucr.edu> Hi, I just moved from black to white. I used to use WP as my main word processor, still do at home where I have only Windoze. I need to get the best word processor *with good WP inter-compatibility* that I can, and soon. 1) Did anyone ever get an Intel binary going for WordPerfect 5.0 for NeXT? If so I would love to get a copy. 2) Between CedarWord, WriteUp, OpenWrite and any others I may not know about, which one is most WP-like, and which one does best at recognizing & translating WP files (preferably thru 6.0 or 6.1). (Cedar doesn't seem to have any translating capability, OpenWrite's didn't work the first time I tried it, and I haven't d/l'd a demo of WriteUp). Obviously, continued existence of the software company is a major desideratum as well. Any advice and/or pointers to FAQ's appreciated. Carl Hoefer UC Riverside hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Joseph McWilliams <mcwilljg@euler.sfasu.edu> Subject: Boot up error--need advice Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961118151502.2385C-100000@euler> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:44:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Motorola 68080 25MHZ NeXTStation When booting this computer, the boot process is quickly halted and thrown into the NMI mini monitor. Rebooting from the NeXT ROM monitor, the boot process follows its normal procedure through all the floppy and SCSI checks, etc. The last successful check it makes it the ethernet card and returns: =================== en0: Ethernet address 00:00:0f:01:45:ed IP protocol enabled for interface en0, type "10MB Ethernet" =================== On a normal boot the next check is the DSP chip. It is precisely at this point that my machine jumps back into the NMI mini monitor. Occasionally, and unpredictably, I am able to get logged on in single-user-mode from the ROM monitor. When this happens, the boot process has smoothly completed the DSP check and moved on. Once there, "exit" will cause the boot process to continue from the point it left off when it entered single-use-mode. Thus it doesn't have to recheck the DSP. Next time I try a reboot, it may or may not get past the DSP check. My question: Is the DSP chip a simply plug in chip? Could it be loose and thus be causing intermittent operation? (I've tried firmly pushing it into its socket with no improvement). Could the DSP chip be intermittently bad? Is the DSP chip even the cause of this problem? This may or may not be related: On boot up, the 3rd or forth line in verbose mode is "sc: scintr program error". What does this mean? "Help, help I'm being repressed!" Thanks for your help. Joe McWilliams
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <328f5f77.0@news.hampshire.edu> Control: cancel <328f5f77.0@news.hampshire.edu> Date: 18 Nov 96 23:18:06 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <3290eeae.0@news.hampshire.edu> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:42:31 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <kmYDFbW00UhBE2FXQ5@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 18-Nov-96 TIFF to GIF/JPG converters by Timothy Luoma@nerc.com > Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? Jef Poskanzer's PPM tools with Sam Leffler's TIFF libary-- specificly, tifftopnm and ppmtogif. Maybe a more modern version then I have installed will deal with JPEGs too. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: clientserver@msn.com (Richard Goode) Subject: WebObjects/ EOF/ RDBMS/ Obj - C/ OpenStep Date: 19 Nov 96 14:42:23 -0800 Message-ID: <00001c43+000015ef@msn.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Client/Server Resources has cutting edge opportunities in the Washington DC Metro Area for: NeXTStep Developers Responsibilities include design and development of the common object model. Work with other project teams to solidify the design of the common object model through the following development cycles: Requirement Analysis Functional Design Technical Design Construction Application Testing Qualifications: Application of OO design techniques and methodologies 3+ yrs C++ and/or Objective C programming experience 1+ yr UNIX Operating System experience - Sun Solaris 2.5 is ideal NeXTStep, OpenStep, and Windows NT Operating System experience a plus Knowledge of major RDBMS (Sybase) Enterprise Objects Modeler (EOModeler), Enterprise Objects Framework* (EOF), WebObjects* e-mail your resume TODAY!====> clientserver@msn.com "Perhaps the heart of WebObjects is Enterprise Objects Framework (EOF). The EOF is used to manipulate data as it passes between your database, your Enterprise Objects, and the HTML interface in your WebObjects application. The framework provides a valuable layer of abstraction for business logic. Your code talks to the framework, so that an application’s interface or backend database can be changed without having to alter business logic. WebObjects has a very open architecture that is becoming even more open and is suitable for any large or sophisticated Web site." - Joshua Kerievsky < http://www.next.com > e-mail your resume TODAY!!!====> clientserver@msn.com Fax=====> (301) 983-4728 Snail mail to: Client/Server Resources P.O. Box 61351 Potomac, Maryland 20859-1351 Tel: (301) 983-6942 Fax: (301) 983-4728 e-mail: clientserver@msn.com
From: pb141@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 19 Nov 1996 00:32:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <56qv7q$2jb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> On 11/18/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: | | Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? | | I've been using ToyViewer's "Save As" feature, but wondering if there is | another/better way. | | Thanks | TjL ImageViewer seems to write reasonable jpegs. GifOMatic will open a tiff and write the gif. Then There's always PixelMagician. What's ToyViewer? -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: pb141@columbia.edu Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________ I'm like a dog with a bone; I gnaw on it until I understand the dynamics. Helen Caldicot, NPR interview
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: love Date: 19 Nov 1996 11:00:50 EST Control: cancel <10004836.22CC@anonymous.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <10004836.22CC@anonymous.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.10004836.22CC@anonymous.com> Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was >>> ARE YOU READY FOR LOVE? <<<
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems compiling Perl-5.003 Date: 19 Nov 1996 16:42:31 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <56so1n$a3j@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <56ij73$ism@netnews.upenn.edu> <1996Nov16.143141.9514@seer.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1996Nov16.143141.9514@seer.demon.co.uk> On 11/16/96, Paul Lynch wrote: > Be aware that most packages I have seen for NeXTSTEP have a bug in the > socket code. This usually means that it works OK on black, but not on > Intel. The simple test is to attempt to run mirror :-). > Rats... I think I've just found this trying to run Radical Solutions' ml (for checking URLs in WWW docs): given: socket(S, $AF_INET, $SOCK_STREAM, $proto); bind(S, $this); connect(S, $other); print S "HEAD $filename HTTP/1.0\r\n"; S->autoflush(1); $timeout = 60; vec($rin, fileno(S), 1) = 1; ($nfound, $timeout) = select($rin, undef, undef, $timeout); (all the checks etc omitted -- it all works OK up to here though; now however...) if ($nfound < 1) { print "** Timeout ($timeout) occurred while accessing $url\n"; close S; return 0; } This seems to return immediately, "indicating" a timeout error. I've tested it on a SparcStation, though, and it works fine. Any suggestions? Best wishes, mmalc. --
Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,comp.software.international,comp.sys.next.software From: mexitech@netcom.com (Patrick) Subject: Re: Windows Base Bar Code Printing Program Message-ID: <mexitechE14pz1.KD@netcom.com> Followup-To: alt.computer.consultants,comp.software.international,comp.sys.next.software Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <01bbd10b$c3e60de0$b83052ca@hkstar.com.hkstar.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:59:25 GMT Sender: mexitech@netcom13.netcom.com Kenny Cheng (lurice@hkstar.com) wrote: : Hi, : Is there any easy to use program to print bar code. Once you entered the : numeric, it will be appeared as bar code and print out on sheet. I don't : mean I need a I/Oed OCR program. Do a search for shareware, lots of stuff under drivers., If that doesn't work for you for any reason, go look at the MS-Acess group, they usually have quite a bit available and will send it on to you. : Thanks. : Kenny. -- Patrick mexitech@netcom.com Moderation is a fatal thing, Nothing succeeds like excess! -Oscar Wilde
From: Joerg Penning <penning@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Keybinding for OpenWrite (Intel)? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:31:46 +0100 Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Message-ID: <3291FD12.15FB7483@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, I'm using OpenWrite 2.0 (3.3 on Intel) and I want to use the Keys DEL, END and HOME. But how? -- Joerg Penning j.penning@t-online.de Phone +49 40/278 78 061
From: andrew@hydra.cfm.brown.edu (Andrew Jones) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MATLAB Date: 19 Nov 1996 21:09:57 GMT Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics Distribution: world Message-ID: <56t7n5$t75@cocoa.brown.edu> Does anyone know where I can find a version of MATLAB for NeXTstep? I have a version that was written 1985 and ported to NeXT in 1991. Is there anything more recent? Thanx, Andrew
From: passim@helium.ucsd.edu (Harmon Craig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect compatible replacement Date: 19 Nov 1996 03:05:50 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <56r86e$nn3@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <56qmle$luo$1@rumors.ucr.edu> hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu (Carl Hoefer) wrote: > Between CedarWord, WriteUp, OpenWrite and any others I may not know about, > which one is most WP-like, and which one does best at recognizing & > translating WP files (preferably thru 6.0 or 6.1). (Cedar doesn't seem to > have any translating capability, OpenWrite's didn't work the first time I > tried it, and I haven't d/l'd a demo of WriteUp). CedarWord seems to me to be the best replacement for WordPerfect, except for two things: (1) As you say it does not translate WP, and (2), it has no "search tokens" (as WP has) that allow one to find and replace scientific terms such as H2O, 14C, etc, with the properly sub - or super- scripted terms with a single pass through the manuscript. These have to be replaced one at a time, which can take a long time. There are also no Macros which can be used to enter these terms properly while writing. Furthermore, you can cut and paste from WP into CW, but then you lose all the sub - and super - scripted symbols, as well as bold, italic, etc. type, in the originals. The other word processors you mention do not seem to have search tokens either, although I gave up on them and have not looked at the latest releases. I have written to CW about this and they tell me that they will put the search tokens that WP has on an extension panel to the Find panel, in the next upgrade of CW. With this addition, one could cut and paste from WP and it would be relatively easy to correct the ms with single passes for each chemical or physical term. Of course it would be best to have a direct translation, but in any case the scripted search tokens are essential for most scientific or technical writing. CedarWord is an excellent replacement for WP in other respects, and considerably simpler to use (many of the items in panels in WP are in a header strip at the top of the manuscript page). The scrolling of variable pitch fonts seems to be a lot faster than in WP. Also inserting and sizing graphs into the text is very well done). Anyone interested in replacing WP should write to CW asking for translation ability from WP to be added (and also emphasize the addition of search tokens and Macros). They seem to be very amenable to making improvements and they could end up with a version which would be much better than WordPerfect. -- H. Craig passim@helium.ucsd.edu
From: eighth@crl.com (Christoph Steiner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb 2.0 hangs on startup (1.0 works fine) Date: 18 Nov 1996 20:31:56 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Message-ID: <56rd7s$le8@crl.crl.com> References: <jeffh-1111960332560001@d-95.dnai.com> <E0vJ69.EwG@tallawe.lahn.de> >> I've been running OmniWeb 1.0 just fine under NeXTSTEP >3.3/Pentium, but >> can't get version 2.0 to work! When I launch the > >I had the same problem here. Just delete the OmniWeg-entry in >the defaults database. >Worked fine for me. Could you elaborate a little. Which OmniWeb default did you delete? Are talking about deleting using dremove? Thanks in Advance...HC
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect compatible replacement Date: 19 Nov 1996 04:45:37 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <56re1h$djo@news4.digex.net> References: <56qmle$luo$1@rumors.ucr.edu> hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu (Carl Hoefer) wrote: > 1) Did anyone ever get an Intel binary going for WordPerfect 5.0 for NeXT? If so I would love to get a copy. I think so... The last upgrade I got runs on intel, and I believe it has the WP5.0 feature set... It's version 1.0.1 10June1993 I don't know if it's the most current version. > 2) Between CedarWord, WriteUp, OpenWrite and any others I may not know about, which one is most WP-like, and which one does best at recognizing & translating WP files (preferably thru 6.0 or 6.1). (Cedar doesn't seem to have any translating capability, OpenWrite's didn't work the first time I tried it, and I haven't d/l'd a demo of WriteUp). I think WriteUp doest the best translation...but OpenWrite is likely the most feature rich. > Obviously, continued existence of the software company is a major desideratum as well. It's all uncertain. OpenWrite I guess is still out there and supported by Lighthouse (although all that is fuzzy too). And Cedar is a new comer, but the feature set isn't as large... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: birdrock@well.com (Brian Dear) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEXTSTEP-like "Dock" app for WinNT/95? Date: 18 Nov 1996 17:01:41 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Message-ID: <56q4pl$fte@filth.well.com> I seem to recall seeing a posting somewhere in comp.sys.next.* a while back about someone who'd developed a clone of the NEXTSTEP application dock for Windows NT and/or Windows 95. I have NT 4.0 Workstation and would love to have the NEXTSTEP-style app dock (I'd pay good money to have the equivalent of NEXTMAIL for NT too... Eudora is horrible). Anyone remember the posting I'm talking about? I remember it had a link to a website that had a screen shot of this dock thing... -- brian
From: leo@BLaCKSMITH.com (Leo Turetsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: zsh-3.0.1 slow on NeXTStep 3.3 (m68k), history commands coming out wrong Date: 6 Nov 1996 17:32:42 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <55qi3q$elh@BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <AmTxkfK00Uzx82uQAn@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 4-Nov-96 zsh-3.0.1 slow on > NeXTStep .. by Timothy J Luoma@nerc3.ne > > zsh-3.0.1 compiled fine, but it is still way too slow when drawing > > the PROMPT and RPROMPT. > > > > Also, using the UP arrow to go back through history commands ends > > up with screwed up lines (mangled commands, old and new combined, > > etc). > > > > Anyone else having similar problems? > > > > I'm using Stuart.app 2.6.3+ under NS 3.3 patch1 > > Out of curiousity, what happens when you run zsh under Terminal.app? I've tried this myself under 4.0, 4.1, 3.3, and 3.2 (all using Terminal.app) and the same problems occur everywhere. 3.3 is by far the fastest at redrawing the prompts and the history stuff but it is still no comparison to the version 2 zsh. leo. +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Leo Turetsky | BLaCKSMITH, Inc. (NeXTmail OK) | | leo@blacksmith.com | OPENSTEP Systems Administrator | +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Nah-ne kah-sah tahng-tah? <esp> Leo, your mom called. | +-------------------------------------------------------+
From: Christian.Colin@emn.fr (Christian Colin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How can I use procmail to sort e-mails I receive ? Date: 19 Nov 1996 12:20:07 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines de Nantes Message-ID: <56s8ln$eub@wfn.emn.fr> Hi, I search a tool to sort e-mail I receive on my sparc 5/NextStep 3.3. So I've downloaded procmail.3.11pre4 and mailapp-utilities.1.5. These softwares are compiled. I try to use them but without any success. Perhaps I made a mistake when I installed them. Can somebody explain to me how to install and use procmail ? Thanks in advance for your help. Christian __________________________________________________________________________ Christian Colin Departement Informatique - Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, rue Alfred Kastler BP 20722 F-44307 Nantes Cedex 3 FRANCE TEL :(en France) 02 51 85 82 18 PHONE (outside France) : 33 2 51 85 82 07 E-mail : Christian.Colin@emn.fr WWW : http://www.emn.fr/dept_info/image __________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher J. Barden" <bardencj@jmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS 3.2 Install Problems Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:45:56 -0500 Organization: James Madison University, Harrisonburg, VA Sender: bardencj@JMU.EDU Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.961119084313.22090A-100000@falcon.jmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have Intel NextStep 3.2 (the CD-ROM installation version). I do not have SCSI in my system at all. There is an IDE hard disk driver, but how do I get the CD-ROM to be recognized? It is connected via a Sound Blaster 16... Please reply if you have any idea whatsoever, I know nothing about NS and I can't even BOOT it right now!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Barden (bardencj@jmu.edu) | "What you own is your own kingdom James Madison University | What you do is your own glory Visit my homepage at: | What you love is your own power http://falcon.jmu.edu/~bardencj/| What you live is your own story" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--RUSH
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From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 20 Nov 1996 04:03:01 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> wrote: > Michael Giddings wrote: > > In <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > > but seems like hypocrisy that major projects locked away under > > > the moronic manifesto of GNU would need to be developed counter > > > to the tenants of that manifesto? > This invokes images of anti-communist hysteria, which I think is ironic as it comes on the heels of your enlightened plea that we learn from history. Right now I'm thinking about congressional hearings of the future: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a memeber of a GNU development team?" > "Honest, I'm just a playwright. I know some friends who use copyleft, but I've only made vague symbolic allusions to them in my work..." > "Very well, if you will not assist us voluntarily . . . Ni!" You know the funny thing...In my sick brain it all makes perfect sense...shall I try and spread my disease? Ok, twist my arm :) > > GPL isn't communism, it's practicality... Well, I think it's much more like communisim than the MiscKit is, for example... And just like the communist government of the USSR was stinky, and not necessarily the people acting under it... I think it applies for you and the really great, cool, nice people that do GNU work. I just think that if the software were TRULY unshackled like the MiscKit is...that it would be more benificial for mankind in general. > Agreed. Both copyright and copyleft have their place. With copyright, you sacrifice source code; with copyleft, you sacrifice keeping the source code secret so that you can sell the object code. There's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all license. Well, I think the MiscKit's copyright scheme is a bit better...maybe not one-size-fits-all, but maybe one-size-fits-most... Kinda like America :) > On a slight tangent, I was noticing how easily people react negatively to the word "manifesto". It's odd that both GNU and Secular Humanists have foundational documents bearing that word in their title -- and that both groups have piss-poor public relations despite their beneficence. Well, I'm not saying that GNU, and the great folks there, haven't benefited humanity at large. Certainly they have, and I thank them for it. It's just my belief that the world would be much better off, if GNU adopted a copyright scheme like the MiscKit's. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Patrice Eber <eberp@mey.gnb.st.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Searching DEvelloper CD for Cube Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:49:00 +0100 Organization: SGS-THomson Message-ID: <3291E4FC.41C67EA6@mey.gnb.st.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I people.. I just bought a NeXT Turbo Station .. and i need a CD develloper to work with.. maybe be to an upgrade from OS 3.0 to 3.3. Does anyone have one to sell for me ? Thank's people
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 19 Nov 1996 16:53:52 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <56son0$amc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> On 11/18/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: > > Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? > > I've been using ToyViewer's "Save As" feature, but wondering if there is > another/better way. > Take a look at: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~malc/NEXTSTEP/WWW/ I've tried to list as many things as I could find, though if anyone knows of others please let me know. I'm a bit concerned about GifOMatic now, though -- I originally thought it used Netscape's colour table when mapping to 256 colours, now I'm not so sure -- instead I'm more tempted to use: tifftopnm $1.tiff | pnmgamma 1.8 | ppmquant -fs -map colourtable.netscape | ppmtogif -interlace -map colourtable.netscape > $1.gif Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Roger McCarty <mccartyr@mindspring.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Cost of *exploring* NS/OS Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:24:14 -0800 Organization: Dialog Group Message-ID: <328F2E1E.3056@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interested in seeing the wonderful features of OS/NS and knowing what the fuss is/was about. I have only Intel boxes. It seems that OS/NT costs THOUSANDS of dollars. Is there some path that I am missing? Why would a person spend that kind of money? Any tips on how to explore NS/OS within a reasonable budget would be appreciated! Thanks, Roger ---------------------------------------------------------- Roger McCarty mccartyr@mindspring.com Dialog Group http://www.mindspring.com/~mccartyr 92 Corporate Park Suite C-702 Irvine, CA 92714 USA 714/967-0625 ----------------------------------------------------------
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXT Mouse 2Button 80B type connection for PPC(MAC) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:49:42 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <MmXtO6G00Uh701yH9L@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <328F8C72.7BC7@thenet.net> In-Reply-To: <328F8C72.7BC7@thenet.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 17-Nov-96 NEXT Mouse 2Button 80B type.. by simon@thenet.net > I need the software or drivers for a 80B type connector 2 button mouse > from NEXT, for a PPC Mac, can anyone aid me on finding this? > Does it exists????? > Has anyone heard of such a thing??? No, but I have heard of an ADB 2-button mouse made by NeXT. ADB stands for "Apple Desktop Bus" and it means that the mouse should just work when you connect it to a computer which understands ADB-- no drivers or software needed. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 19 Nov 1996 19:32:32 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-j-06.usc.edu Message-ID: <56t20g$8up@usc.edu> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> <56son0$amc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Cc: m.crawford@shef.ac.uk In <56son0$amc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: > I've tried to list as many things as I could find, though if anyone knows of > others please let me know. I'm a bit concerned about GifOMatic now, though > -- I originally thought it used Netscape's colour table when mapping to 256 > colours, now I'm not so sure -- instead I'm more tempted to use: > > tifftopnm $1.tiff | pnmgamma 1.8 | > ppmquant -fs -map colourtable.netscape | > ppmtogif -interlace -map colourtable.netscape > $1.gif Yes, I am skeptical about GifOMatic's translation of color pallette's and it is very weird in translating dithering. I have the imagetools set if that's what it's called. Just haven't tried it out yet. Looks very good though. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: Stefano Pagiola <spagiola@worldbank.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect compatible replacement Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:26:25 -0500 Organization: World Bank Message-ID: <329209E1.6E63@worldbank.org> References: <56qmle$luo$1@rumors.ucr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Hoefer wrote: > I just moved from black to white. I used to use WP as my main word > processor, still do at home where I have only Windoze. I need to get the > best word processor *with good WP inter-compatibility* that I can, and soon. > > 1) Did anyone ever get an Intel binary going for WordPerfect 5.0 for NeXT? If > so I would love to get a copy. The last WP/NeXT version (10 June 1993) was compiled fat, and works on both Black and White NS boxes. Stefano
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 19 Nov 1996 19:43:02 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > Hi Stefanos :) (THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARD YOU, JUST A GOOD OPPORTUNITY > TO VENT :) > And vent you did with paranoid rantings and ravings about communism. Sigh. Anyway, I think that Stefanos' idea is excellent and would support it. GNU software works, and there is nothing wrong with giving extra motivation to people who do it. > but seems like hypocrisy that > major projects locked away under the moronic manifesto of GNU would need to > be developed counter to the tenants of that manifesto? > BTW - do you like the utter moronic hypocrisy of "non-communist" (i.e. commercial) programs whose source code is "locked" away so that if you have a problem with them (after you paid hundreds of $$ for them) you can do _nothing_ but beg the producer of the software to fix it, if they are even still around???? I've experienced that several times. If that's the alternative to what you call communism, then I'd take your so called (mislabeled) "communism" any day. GPL isn't communism, it's practicality, especially for software with a small group of potential users. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 19 Nov 1996 19:44:56 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <56t2no$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> <56son0$amc@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Cc: m.crawford@shef.ac.uk As if all the options that have been posted aren't enough - I've used TIFFany II for this and had excellent luck. It can also save as interlaced/Netscape style GIF's. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 18 Nov 1996 13:17:29 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > Seems like the communist manifesto of GPL is proven most wrong in practice? No, it was very successful. Beside, what makes it a "communist" manifesto? Your are abusing the term a little bit, this is a different situation and from what i know the communist theories were not about computer programm copyrights. > What ever happened to the notion of programmers being satisfied with the > privilege of writing software for the sheer joy of it; since it's so much > fun? Programmers have to be paid, that is sure. But do they have to get paid for their work or for their luck of having the monopol? > I have personally found that notion to be almost as stupid as the > communist regimes of the past and present, but seems like hypocrisy that > major projects locked away under the moronic manifesto of GNU would need to > be developed counter to the tenants of that manifesto? Locked away? Maybe i have not read the GNU manifesto careful enough. But it was not about locking it away. What about the natural interest of companies of gaining monopols? That would lock important technological developments away from poor people or students. And the development will be really slow. > When can we get rid of that stupid and moronic need to lock it away and let > people who do us all a kindness actually make enough to feed a family...oh > dear, I keep forgetting, just as the state did provide, so will the > wonderful Gnu keepers of the manifesto. What about selling support and other things with free software? Knowledge and installation support is what keeps the people from using their computers in an efficient way. A free software plays a key role for standards and competition. And yes, if commercial software is good enough, you still can recomment it. (But the commercial products have to be better as the free ones.) Regards Bernhard Reiter -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2i owEBpgBZ/4kAlQMFADKQYdkRSjTdSw+x/QEBbC0D/11Fs+8Ro0IXQ8m8mqAjwJKy ZRE3YKvChDo+HSSWp36hEZNhMalICX/iZUzIWMMHQqBaZT5bAxZADdwppiy00LBk K6m6fnRiSbGmkq3o/Q8flLttvPEJAdScqSzHfJQ7pzLb+ibQQz5We1rJoN4X8dqu Etoq7A0dobhced7OY6NcrAxiBXN0ZGluAAAAAAo= =09zP -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Request for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? ) Date: 18 Nov 1996 12:55:10 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <56pmbe$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <56l9cs$v93@vir.com>, stefanos@Vir.com (Stefanos Kiakas) writes: > Why don't we try and setup a way to compensate people who write > software for NeXTSTEP/OpenStep and release the source code under GPL. This idea is great! And i am sometimes trying to convince people to do so. But there are many difficulties on the way. I am quoting that again: > One way this could work > 1) People interested in having some software writen for > NeXTSTEP/OpenSTep get together and contribute money > to a fund to be paid to the author of the software. > 2) A request for bids whould be posted on c.s.n.announce > with all the information. > 3) A candidate is selected to write the code from the > respondents. > 4) Once code has been delivered the money in the fund > is paid to the candidate and the code is released > under GPL. > > What do you think? I'd like to hear your comments and ideas. GPL might not be the best license, but a very good start! The programmers have to be paid for their work. The key part will be the organisation (which also will have to be paid) as many people are willing to contribute small portions of time. My suggestions (how it might work): A person (or organisation) proves its capabilitiy to organise the work and work on the programm itself. People who trust in that, pay and promise their further payments on the results. (small amounts) The code and infos about the efforts have to be free available all the time! People who use it have to be told, that they should invest in other free developments. Software compaines might earn money based on the product and source. Support and custom modifications. Bernhard Reiter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMpBcpBFKNN1LD7H9AQFNHQQAgO9VQLRWr6uSg2hvy6b1sWY5EEG//AZa XThbuT7l4aXTzO3WRETDohOBSQesC0nvisHfG33G21UUdvehYwgH+oS67saaXNdD vPRjhYC9TkdhQe7Zh6fJ8KjjxkTHvPm0iLB375vZwLkRDWMANnueFxEqLfTgxQoY +zcqsfRYtwU= =YPhZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Movie.app v3.0 Date: 19 Nov 1996 21:39:59 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <56t9ff$ka9@paraguay.earthlink.net> References: <56aco5$t4h@panix.com> Cc: dcl@panix.com In <56aco5$t4h@panix.com> David C. Lambert wrote: > Hi. > > Could someone point me to this please? I've > only been able to find v2.51.1. > > Thanks. > > > If anyone knows were to find it please let me know as well. Thank you. Gerardo -- _____________________________________________ Gerardo Quinonez, MD quinonez@ucla.edu quinonez@earthlink.net quinonez@usa.net NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:39:08 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Giddings wrote: > In <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > but seems like hypocrisy that major projects locked away under > > the moronic manifesto of GNU would need to be developed counter > > to the tenants of that manifesto? This invokes images of anti-communist hysteria, which I think is ironic as it comes on the heels of your enlightened plea that we learn from history. Right now I'm thinking about congressional hearings of the future: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a memeber of a GNU development team?" "Honest, I'm just a playwright. I know some friends who use copyleft, but I've only made vague symbolic allusions to them in my work..." "Very well, if you will not assist us voluntarily . . . Ni!" > GPL isn't communism, it's practicality... Agreed. Both copyright and copyleft have their place. With copyright, you sacrifice source code; with copyleft, you sacrifice keeping the source code secret so that you can sell the object code. There's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all license. On a slight tangent, I was noticing how easily people react negatively to the word "manifesto". It's odd that both GNU and Secular Humanists have foundational documents bearing that word in their title -- and that both groups have piss-poor public relations despite their beneficence. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which, when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it, doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Linux | NeXT | Be | Java| Friends don't let friends use windoze.
From: jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Jason L. Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Web Browsing Woes Date: 20 Nov 96 04:20:51 Organization: C.R.A.S.H. The Computers, Robotics, and Artists Society of Houston Message-ID: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> Hi! I'm using OmniWeb 2.1, OmniImage 3.2, and ImageViewer 0.9i for web browsing (and subsequent image conversion), and I'm getting memory leaks and swapdisk fillage. Any advice? Thanks! Jason Asbahr 808 Sul Ross Suite 7 Reactive Systems Houston, Texas 77006 jason@reactive.com (713) 942-7937 voice
From: Yvan Herreros <herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: mounting DOS/mac CDroms Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:18:56 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Alsthom Recherche, Marcoussis, France Message-ID: <3292DB10.6645@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Some CDROMS are delivered for both Macintosh and PC systems. I particularly have two cliparts CDROMS like that. I don't know how it works exactly, but I guess that there are two filesystems on the CD and that the machine takes the one that it likes the most. When I insert such a CD in my NeXT slab's CDROM drive, it's automatically mounted as a PC filesystem. I would be interested in accessing the mac part (EPS files are there, instead of BMP files for PC). Does anyone know how it can be done ? The only thing I found in manipulating the mount command is that CDROMs have to be mounted using 'mount -t cfs', but so far that doesn't allow to select the machine type as while mounting floppies. Any help welcomed. Have a nice day, Y.H. -- +===========================================+ | | | Yvan Herreros | +---------------+ | Alcatel Alsthom Recherche | | A L C A T E L | | Route de Nozay | +---------------+ | 91460 Marcoussis | | A L S T H O M | | FRANCE | +===============+ | | RECHERCHE | tel: 33-(0)1-69.63.11.94 | | fax: 33-(0)1-69.63.18.12 | | e-mail: herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr | | | +===========================================+
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 20 Nov 96 08:30:52 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 20 Nov 1996 04:03:01 GMT In article <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> wrote: > Michael Giddings wrote: > > GPL isn't communism, it's practicality... Well, I think it's much more like communisim than the MiscKit is, for example... And just like the communist government of the USSR was stinky, and not necessarily the people acting under it... Uh, John, aren't you in law school? If so, you should be able to analyze the logical flaws in the above paragraph all by yourself. I think it applies for you and the really great, cool, nice people that do GNU work. I just think that if the software were TRULY unshackled like the MiscKit is...that it would be more benificial for mankind in general. The problem with this argument is that there are a lot of people working on GNU copyleft projects who wouldn't be working on it if it were a copymiddle project. Worse, these people aren't the low-level grunts doing testing - we're talking the movers and shakers, the people doing the _real_ work. There's a definite attraction to working on a project when you know that your code will propagate, unsullied. It makes a developer more confident in releasing things to the world to know that the code they most likely wrote for free isn't going to be sold by someone else for profit. It also generates a certain esprit de corps. OK, let's call it rabid enthusiasm. It's no coincidence that most people who argue against copyleft aren't the people who write copylefted software, they're the people who want to use copylefted software. Though customer satisfaction is not contrary to the GNU's goals, as with any volunteer organization it's much more important to get people to _do_ the work than it is to completely satisfy the beneficiaries of the work. I personally haven't released copyleft code, though I've done copymiddle releases of some sources, and regular copyright binary release. But I really don't think Linux, for instance, could have been written as a copymiddle endeavor. Even if the people to work on it had been found, they'd have splinterred into competing vendors _long_ before 2.0.0 was released. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 20 Nov 96 08:43:42 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 17 Nov 1996 00:39:15 GMT In article <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: Seems like the communist manifesto of GPL is proven most wrong in practice? What ever happened to the notion of programmers being satisfied with the privilege of writing software for the sheer joy of it; since it's so much fun? Well ... I, personally, write software for the sheer joy of it. Money is only a secondary concern. Heck, it might be fourth or fifth in line. Of course, money _is_ a need in our society. So, I try to find jobs that pay me enough to live on while programming. Note that programming is still the priority - I could make buckets more practicing law (literally buckets!), or any of the other careers those little high school aptitude tests turned up for me, but those aren't the careers I'm interested in. Another thing you might notice about your local rabid programmer is that s/he often tries to find jobs which pay enough to live on, while leaving enough free time that the programmer actually spends more time programming _outside_ the job for free than they do on the paying job. Either that or jobs which allow enough latitude for on-the-job exploration. I'm not talking copyleft, here, I'm just talking recreational programming. John, I'm not certain what your gripe with GPL is (and you certainly seem to have one!). But I would recommend that you go get a Slackware (or RedHat or Debian) Linux CD and install Linux. Linux2.0.0 is impressive enough that even if it doesn't make you agree with GPL, at the minimum it will make you _respect_ it. [Working under the presumption that if you respected it, you would quite making communist allusions and argue about the _real_ reason you don't like it!] Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: jnstibor@cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Joern Stiborsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEW!!! MyEyes.app -> any dock shouldn't miss it! Date: 20 Nov 1996 14:07:20 GMT Organization: EE Students Computer Pool, University of Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <56v3ao$ndg@rznews.rrze.uni-erlangen.de> Hi! Check out the new funny application MyEyes.app! ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/NeXT/misc/apps/MyEyes.app or ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Graphics/apps/MyEyes.app have a lot of fun with it! ... and tell me, what you think about it! ciao joern
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I use procmail to sort e-mails I receive ? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:44:31 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961119154049.14050A-100000@kira> References: <56s8ln$eub@wfn.emn.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Christian Colin <Christian.Colin@emn.fr> In-Reply-To: <56s8ln$eub@wfn.emn.fr> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com followups set to comp.sys.next.software, since: (from http://www.digifix.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html) comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! On 19 Nov 1996, Christian Colin wrote: > I search a tool to sort e-mail I receive on my sparc 5/NextStep 3.3. So > I've downloaded procmail.3.11pre4 and mailapp-utilities.1.5. These > softwares are compiled. I try to use them but without any success. Perhaps > I made a mistake when I installed them. > > Can somebody explain to me how to install and use procmail ? there is an entire email list devoted to this subject, see 'man procmail' for the address. After setting up some crucial variables, it is as easy as: :0 * ^Subject: sortme |appnmail sortmemailbox or :0 * ^From myfriend@place.com |appnmail myfriendbox TjL
From: dcl@panix.com (David C. Lambert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 20 Nov 1996 11:15:12 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> In <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) writes: >I'm wondering why nobody is talking about it, guess >the link to ftp://hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at/pub/NeXT/tools/ >is a bit unstable, That's probably why - also the version there is only for NI machines. >LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). Seconded, heartily. <plug> Great as an adjunct to Fiend... </plug> - Dave -- David C. Lambert dcl@panix.com (finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key) (key fingerprint "5F 88 1A 54 3C EA DA FA F5 8E 0B 68 48 4C 02 48")
From: bill@leeweyr.cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NewsGrazer questions Date: 20 Nov 1996 03:04:42 GMT Message-ID: <56tsga$ric@news0-alterdial.uu.net> I am running NS3.3(Black) and am using NewsGrazer through PPP to my service provider's NNTP server. I use PopOver for e-mail recovery from my service provider's mail server. I have a couple of questions about the operation of NewsGrazer First question: NewsGrazer initial start-up is very slow. Watching the modem, it is obvious that NG is reading a HUGE amount of data from the NNTP server, and my guess is it is the entire newsrc (or something equivalent) for every possible newsgroup. This amounts to 350K of information taking several minutes to read over my v.34 modem. Since I am only interested in a few newsgroups (~100), is there any way to constrain NG to only reading the information from the NNTP server for those few groups rather than all umpteen thousand groups that are out there? Second question: When posting using NG, the "From:" atribution in the post consists of my userid on my local system (i.e.: bill) and a location including both the local machine name (leeweyr) concatenated with the domain of my service provider(cleaf.com). Unfortunately, this "From:" results in an address that is an invalid address if some other person attempts to reply to me via e-mail. (My e-mail address is the userid provided on my ISP's system and his domain.) Is there some way I can get NG to use a "From:" line that is my actual e-mail address, just as I can in the Mail.app? Thanks in advance. Bill Lee (If you respond via e-mail, please mail to BillLee@cleaf.com)
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy Subject: cancel Control: cancel <56tv12$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> Date: 20 Nov 1996 04:59:59 GMT Organization: Ripco Communications Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <56u38f$m2b$1@gail.ripco.com> <56tv12$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> is excessively silly. -- David Richards Ripco, since Nineteen-Eighty-Three My opinions are my own, Public Access in Chicago But they are available for rental Shell/SLIP/PPP/UUCP/ISDN/Leased dr@ripco.com (312) 665-0065 !Free Usenet/E-Mail!
From: Ralph Paul <paul@tornado.aem.umn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MATLAB Date: 20 Nov 1996 15:03:12 -0600 Organization: University of Minnesota Message-ID: <yukn2wco4xb.fsf@tornado.aem.umn.edu> References: <56t7n5$t75@cocoa.brown.edu> <56vlrp$fcu@turing.mathworks.com> peter@mathworks.com (Peter Greis) writes: > > Andrew Jones (andrew@hydra.cfm.brown.edu) wrote: > : Does anyone know where I can find a version of MATLAB for NeXTstep? > : > : I have a version that was written 1985 and ported to NeXT in 1991. > : > : Is there anything more recent? > : > : Thanx, > : > : > : Andrew > > MATLAB was never officially released for NeXTSTEP. Perhaps > you are thinking of Mathematica? > > -peter ( You seem to work at this place, you should know better (;-).) Anyway, I think a long time ago (1991) somebody released the source for the original MATLAB ( dated approx. 1984-1985). That's the MATLAB that Andrew is referring to. I remember taking a look at it sometime in 1994 because at the time the Linux port of this code was floating around the net. Although it is also called MATLAB, the 'MATLAB language' that it uses is quite different and less powerful then the current one. If Andrew wants something that is more 'MATLAB-ish' and free, he should check out whether 'Octave' fits his purpose. CU, Ralph Paul paul@aem.umn.edu or ralph@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de ( forwarded to above )
From: drmsmyth@moonstar.com (William F. Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:22:24 GMT Message-ID: <3292331d.1485666@news.alterdial.uu.net> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> I'd like to note that I'm working on this as well, and with very little success. I've read the FAQ on it, and also have been trying to use a program, FontLab for Windows to regenerate the fonts as .PFA/Unix format, but it's not working. I can get the fonts installed, if I use the .AFM file from the Adobe Type On Call CD-ROM, but then, when I click on it in the font panel, I get, "unusable font". I've also tried use Ken Borgendale's program T1FONT, to convert, but it doesn't work either. I don't suppose anyone knows what the status of the program Typeology by Pinnacle Research is? Are there any Adobe Type 1 PostScript font tools for NeXTStep? William Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:54:09 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <56vr5h$5np@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > Michael Giddings wrote: > > > GPL isn't communism, it's practicality... > > Well, I think it's much more like communisim than the MiscKit is, for > example... And just like the communist government of the USSR was stinky, > and not necessarily the people acting under it... I think it applies for > you and the really great, cool, nice people that do GNU work. I just think > that if the software were TRULY unshackled like the MiscKit is...that it > would be more benificial for mankind in general. > > Just to toss my $.02 in (and they may not be what you expect from a cygnus employee.. but i'm not speaking FOR cygnus here, and I'm just a sys admin here) I think the reason many people associate GPL with communism is that placing the GPL on a program is effectively giving ownership of the program to "everyone". It's sort of like the way everything is "owned by the workers" under communism. Under the GPL, everything is owned "by the programming community".. ownership by community ofcourse being the root of communism. "free software" under GNU isn't synonymous with free by price, nor freedom. It's freedom of other programmers to have full access to the package and its source. The cost is the freedom (via ownership) of the originating programmer(s) to retain control of the package (and thus to fully bennefit and profit from it). I see the need for that (I wouldn't be working at Cygnus if I didn't). With the current track record of Next's handling Nextstep, I really hate being tied to their ineptitude and malice and limited to what they do or don't want to do with Nextstep. I _really_ wish Nextstep was a GPL package, not to rob Steve Jobs and Co. of their income (though that would probably be the net effect), but because _I_ love Nextstep and want to see Nextstep grow.. instead of being stifled by NeXT. On the otherhand, if I invented the next rat trap, and was sure people would be beating down my door to get it, I don't know if I'd want to GPL it. I may want to profit from it for a while. I think in an ideal marketplace, a company or programmer would keep a commercially viable project under proprietary license for as long as a) it remained profitable, and b) as long as they wanted to keep maintaining it as a front-line package.. so that they get the full reward from it (and thus they have incentive to keep producing top quality products), but once they decided it wasn't profitable or interesting any more, they'd move it to a non-proprietary license (Berkeley style or GNU style). Then anyone else who wanted to continue with it, could. Ofcourse, in an ideal world, you wouldn't need to get paid for it.. we'd all be rich, and we'd all do things because they were interesting to us. Which is the best environment for something like the GPL, and the only one in which true communism would flourish -- yet another similarity :-} -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsGrazer questions Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:42:43 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Nov20.204243.24684@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <56tsga$ric@news0-alterdial.uu.net> In article <56tsga$ric@news0-alterdial.uu.net> bill@leeweyr.cleaf.com (Bill Lee) writes: > Is there some way I can get NG to use a "From:" line that is my actual > e-mail address, just as I can in the Mail.app? Preferences->Post; From setting? Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 20 Nov 1996 17:34:13 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <570115$3sh@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> In article <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be>, suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de wrote: > I'm wondering why nobody is talking about it, guess > the link to ftp://hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at/pub/NeXT/tools/ > is a bit unstable, but the LaunchBar.app by Norbert > Heger <bertl@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> is the best design > for a program I've seen in the last months. Indeed. It solves the biggest problem with GUIs, namely the inefficiency in performing operations with a mouse. (And, of course, the mouse is still there for when you want it.) I've been wondering why no one has written something like this before. My only regret is that it doesn't cooperate as well as I'd like with my other favorite GUI-extender, VirtSpace. (Through no fault of Norbert's, of course.) Namely, I wish that switching to a new app would warp me to the virtual screen that app resides in, that the LaunchBar window would be sticky (appearing in all virtual screens), and that it wouldn't warp the location of the LaunchBar window if I try to switch to it from a virtual screen other than the one it resides in. Those problems are enough to make it annoying for me to use LaunchBar. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 20 Nov 1996 23:38:41 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5704q1$5r5@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> Cc: dcl@panix.com In <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> David C. Lambert wrote: > In <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) writes: > >LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). > > Seconded, heartily. > Yep, the best thing since sliced bread! Very recommended! -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 20 Nov 1996 15:47:13 GMT Organization: Alcatel/Bell Distribution: world Message-ID: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> I'm wondering why nobody is talking about it, guess the link to ftp://hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at/pub/NeXT/tools/ is a bit unstable, but the LaunchBar.app by Norbert Heger <bertl@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> is the best design for a program I've seen in the last months. You don't see much of it, just somebody is watching you, to help you find what you need and to save screen space. Not only do you stop clicking around in FileViewer, you can also do new things like creating relative symbolic links or fast copies of file trees. LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). Yours, ------------------------ Ralf.Suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de | All opinions are mine.
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:44:06 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <5708km$pbt@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <3292331d.1485666@news.alterdial.uu.net> In-Reply-To: <3292331d.1485666@news.alterdial.uu.net> On 11/19/96, William F. Adams wrote: [Problem: How to convert a "Windows" font} If the "Windows" font is a Type 1 Postscript font, then the PFBToPFA utility will do the trick. It used to be available from Trilithon Software, info@trilithon.com, but I don't know if they're still in business. I think Henry has moved on ... >I don't suppose anyone knows what the status of the program Typeology >by Pinnacle Research is? Sadly, it's one of the apps that might have been great but never shipped. -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
From: tim@vcl.com (Tim Jeltema) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Help with Sybase, EOF, NS3.3 & OS4.x Date: 20 Nov 1996 15:35:07 GMT Organization: Valley City Linen Corp Distribution: World Message-ID: <56v8fb$f82@pravda.aa.msen.com> Keywords: Sybase, EOF I am in desperate need of some help regarding the continued use of NEXTSTEP 3.3 or OpenStep 4.x with either Sybase, Oracle or Informix. NeXT and Sun corporate have proved most un-willing in helping us resolve this matter in an acceptable way. NeXT is no longer supporting the client libraries (DBLIB for Sybase) in a compilable and linkable form on either NS 3.3 or OS 4.x/Mach for use with current versions of the above mentioned databases. That is to say, you cannot use 3.3 or 4.x/Mach applications with these servers unless you are using some version of EOF. (Then why not use EOF? EOF fails to address a critical piece of functionality that we must have. NeXT won't add this functionality unless 10,000 other people say that they need it as well.) I would appreciate any help you can offer in connecting me with someone that is knowledgeable in Sybase or in both Sybase and EOF. Here are the specific questions that I have. #1 Are Sybase versions 10 and/or 11 backward compatible with the client libraries that are supplied with NS 3.3? That is to say, will an application compiled and linked using DBLIB under NS 3.3 work with Sybase System 10 or 11? #2 Assuming that the answer to #1 is 'No', can you use the lower layers of EOF(1.x or 2.0) as a bridge (DBLIB replacement) between an application on NS 3.3 or OS 4.x and current versions of Sybase (with hopefully minimal but necessary modifications to the application). Note that this is not an issue on OpenStep/NT. EOF on Win/NT uses a current version of the client libraries (CTLIB). EOF 2.0 works on OS/Mach because NeXT has rights to the source code for the old libraries (DBLIB) and they were thus able to hack it sufficiently to compile and link under Mach. However, they are not updating the stand-alone libraries and presumably don't have the rights to make them publicly available. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time. Tim Jeltema Valley City Linen Corp 10 Diamond Ave SE Grand Rapids, MI 49506-1456 616 459-6922 tim@vcl.com
From: root@nxs.math.wisc.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Browsing Woes Date: 20 Nov 1996 16:37:10 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <56vc3m$14ce@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> In article <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Jason L. Asbahr) writes: > I'm using OmniWeb 2.1, OmniImage 3.2, and ImageViewer 0.9i for > web browsing (and subsequent image conversion), and I'm getting > memory leaks and swapdisk fillage. Any advice? ahh, how about updating to OmniWeb 2.4 for a start :-) BTW - there's other viewer's that are faster than ImageViewer for displaying certain formats. - Gareth bestor@cs.wisc.edu
From: peter@mathworks.com (Peter Greis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MATLAB Date: 20 Nov 1996 19:23:37 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Distribution: world Message-ID: <56vlrp$fcu@turing.mathworks.com> References: <56t7n5$t75@cocoa.brown.edu> Andrew Jones (andrew@hydra.cfm.brown.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know where I can find a version of MATLAB for NeXTstep? : : I have a version that was written 1985 and ported to NeXT in 1991. : : Is there anything more recent? : : Thanx, : : : Andrew MATLAB was never officially released for NeXTSTEP. Perhaps you are thinking of Mathematica? -peter
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:34:59 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961120172357.27310C-100000@kira> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "David C. Lambert" <dcl@panix.com> In-Reply-To: <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com On 20 Nov 1996, David C. Lambert wrote: > Date: 20 Nov 1996 11:15:12 -0500 > From: "David C. Lambert" <dcl@panix.com> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software, comp.sys.next.advocacy > Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed > > In <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) writes: > > >I'm wondering why nobody is talking about it, guess > >the link to ftp://hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at/pub/NeXT/tools/ > >is a bit unstable, I'm talking about it! I've also linked it to http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/must-have.html as my list of "must have" apps..... ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/LaunchBar.1.00.NI.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/LaunchBar.1.00.README > >LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). > > Seconded, heartily. > > <plug> > Great as an adjunct to Fiend... > </plug> True enough, Fiend is also on my "must-have" page.... Fiend hides the icons of the apps I launch with LaunchBar, and gives me a shelf and a background image.... They work very well together, wouldn't want to be without either... TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NewsGrazer questions Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:11:16 GMT Message-ID: <56vol4$ckr@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Yes, yes, yes...RTFM (or some such) Earlier I posted > Is there some way I can get NG to use a "From:" line that is my actual > e-mail address, just as I can in the Mail.app? And, of course, found the answer twenty minutes later in the "Posting" preferences. Still am looking for a way to speed up the initiation of NG. Regards. Bill Lee
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:42:07 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961120204123.9444B-100000@kira> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <3292331d.1485666@news.alterdial.uu.net> <5708km$pbt@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <32928a8b.12373723@news.alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "William F. Adams" <drmsmyth@moonstar.com> In-Reply-To: <32928a8b.12373723@news.alterdial.uu.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > One last thing, the FontLab readme file which mentioned creating fonts > for NeXT mentioned a program called, YAP--I can't find a filename > which matches this on my brother-in-law's cube--any idea what it is or > where/how I'd get it? maybe this will help? ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/graphics/postscript/EnhancedYap.NIHS.bs.tar.gz
Date: 20 Nov 1996 10:31:59 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy Message-ID: <cancel.56tv12$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> Control: cancel <56tv12$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: save@grocery.com Subject: cmsg cancel <56tv12$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19961120.27 for further details
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 05:26:37 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) wrote: > In article <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net>, > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > Seems like the communist manifesto of GPL is proven most wrong in practice? > No, it was very successful. Well, let me be just a little pedantic here... I think GNU is great, and successful, and a NET plus for humanity. I think what was written in the manifesto, was proven, at least to a certain extent, wrong. In the manifesto it talks about programmers not really needing to be paid, and that they should just do it for free for the fun of it... Moreover, I think that the GPL would serve humanity better, if it adopted an approach like the MiscKit. GPL prevents industry from using source and technology...things get 'locked.' > Beside, what makes it a "communist" manifesto? Your are abusing the term a little bit, this is a different situation and from what i know the communist theories were not about computer programm copyrights. Well, it's a loooooooooooose use of the word, to say the least. The manifesto of course seems pretty communistic, in that it just deems programmers don't need to be paid...they should just enjoy doing the work for free (for the state?). That all programs and source should not belong to anyone person, but to everyone. That the idea of intellectual property, is somehow inherently bad. > Programmers have to be paid, that is sure. But do they have to get paid for their work or for their luck of having the monopol? Monopoly, is not only legal...but I'd argue it's a necessary evil that is a net plus for humanity. Why should I bother working 20years of my life figuring out how to make a light bulb, if two minutes after I make it someone will take all my hard work and make one competing against me. Why would I ever invest in research if I could never recoup my investment. On the other hand, a monopoly forever would be bad. Somewhere in the middle, lies the greatest utility for humanity... 17years is not too bad a middle... > Locked away? > Maybe i have not read the GNU manifesto careful enough. But it was not about locking it away. What about the natural interest of companies of gaining monopols? That would lock important technological developments away from poor people or students. And the development will be really slow. Well, the MiscKit prevents companies from locking things away, yet allows EVERYONE, not only to use the work, but also to make a living (and gasp, even profit from it :). > What about selling support and other things with free software? Knowledge and installation support is what keeps the people from using their computers in an efficient way. A free software plays a key role for standards and competition. Selling support is fine...for support people, et. al. But the actually developers/programmers deserve a profit as well (IMO). > And yes, if commercial software is good enough, you still can recomment it. (But the commercial products have to be better as the free ones.) Yea, but then you have developers, constantly having to re-invent the wheel. In my mind (sick as it is...), the MiscKit way is much more effective, generous, and kind... But that's just me. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Dave Waldack <dmw@pop.dn.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Accounting SW Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:27:24 -0500 Organization: digitalNATION Message-ID: <3293E83C.5F74@pop.dn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to find a robust accounting package that will run on nextstep. Needs to have a/r, a/p, inventory, invoicing plus much more. email Dave at davew@dn.net
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:51:06 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961120204339.9444C-100000@kira> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570115$3sh@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: nurban@vt.edu In-Reply-To: <570115$3sh@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > Indeed. It solves the biggest problem with GUIs, namely the > inefficiency in performing operations with a mouse. (And, of course, > the mouse is still there for when you want it.) I've been wondering > why no one has written something like this before. My only regret is > that it doesn't cooperate as well as I'd like with my other favorite > GUI-extender, VirtSpace. (Through no fault of Norbert's, of course.) > Namely, I wish that switching to a new app would warp me to the virtual > screen that app resides in, that the LaunchBar window would be sticky > (appearing in all virtual screens), and that it wouldn't warp the > location of the LaunchBar window if I try to switch to it from a > virtual screen other than the one it resides in. Those problems are > enough to make it annoying for me to use LaunchBar. I'd like to mention that WideScreen allow you to move virtual screens via the keypad (1-9 as north-south-east-west, northwest, etc etc...). ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.N.b.tar.gz is a NeXT-only binary... If you want to try and compile for another arch... ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.patch.1.1.README ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.patch.1.1.d.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.s.README ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/WideScreen.0.5.s.tar.gz TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: Robert Gibson Jacobs <rjacobs@voyager.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WriteNow compatible editor Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:19:17 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Sender: rjacobs@apollo10.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961120131333.9101A-100000@apollo10.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd like to be able to use WriteNow 2.0 on my black Nextstation and some other package (OpenWrite possibly) on my Intel machine and transfer files between the two. What's the best way to do this? Will OpenWrite save as WriteNow 2.0? Does the wn->openwrite converter work well on NeXTStations? Any other suggestions? Thanks. Rob
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 05:54:12 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > Well, I think it's much more like communisim than the MiscKit is, > for example... And just like the communist government of the USSR > was stinky, and not necessarily the people acting under it... > Uh, John, aren't you in law school? If so, you should be able to analyze the logical flaws in the above paragraph all by yourself. Why does everyone think that pure, harsh, deterministic logic is always right? Sometimes intuition and experience are superior to logic. For example, A part of a certain legal code required that all subsequent statutes enacted under the code, could be no longer than a single sentence. The logical purpose of limiting statutes to a single sentence, was to simplify the law, so even lay people could understand it. Do you think that code is simple? No, it's one of THE most complicated codes ever. Some statutes are 38 pages long...that's a 38 page long sentence...just try and find the sentence. Why? The code deals with inherently complicated issues, and it's just not feasible to make good laws that short and still actually help people in varying circumstances. Well, you'd figure, logically, the legislature would get rid of the requirement to limit things to a single sentence, since it practically hasn't worked out. Nope, it would be political suicide to remove a statute that's supposed to 'simplify' the law. So there it sits, contrary to all logic. Anyway, sometimes just getting the 'gist' of an apology, more accurately depicts reality than cold, deterministic knowledge... Of course sometimes not. Funny, I learned this lesson (that sometimes experience is superior to logic) in law school, where everyone logically, assumes that logic would rule... And before that, with my technical background, I valued logic above all other means of reasoning...Sometimes life is just a kick in the head. > I think it applies for you and the really great, cool, nice people > that do GNU work. I just think that if the software were TRULY > unshackled like the MiscKit is...that it would be more benificial > for mankind in general. > The problem with this argument is that there are a lot of people working on GNU copyleft projects who wouldn't be working on it if it were a copymiddle project. Worse, these people aren't the low-level grunts doing testing - we're talking the movers and shakers, the people doing the _real_ work. There's a definite attraction to working on a project when you know that your code will propagate, unsullied. It makes a developer more confident in releasing things to the world to know that the code they most likely wrote for free isn't going to be sold by someone else for profit. Why is it so inherently evil if code he wrote, would be sold to others? ...when the code he wrote would always still be available for free as well? If you donate something to the MiscKit, it's there for good...it's not going anywhere. So if someone uses it for a commercial product and sells it, well that's one more commercial product out there (and one developer that was able to do more, faster)...regardless, the original donated work is still available for all. And if that commercial developer needs to eat, there's no way he would have used GNU code and forgone his profit. So, we have commercial people working faster, more efficiently, producing better works...and we still have free code for all. I just don't see a down side... Whereas with GNU, right now, it's a relative (to MISCKIT style) net loss to humanity, b/c those commercial developers have to expend more time, re-inventing the wheel, and likely producing lesser products...and wasting more time...more time they could have used to be more productive, or make more free software to contribute to the world... > It also generates a certain esprit de corps. OK, let's call it rabid enthusiasm. It's no coincidence that most people who argue against copyleft aren't the people who write copylefted software, they're the people who want to use copylefted software. Though customer satisfaction is not contrary to the GNU's goals, as with any volunteer organization it's much more important to get people to _do_ the work than it is to completely satisfy the beneficiaries of the work. I see the same enthusiasm for MISCKIT. And, IMO, I think the level of rabid enthusiasm would be even greater. Those commercial developers that used it for internal commercial projects, would dig it, and fix bugs, and give certain portions back. There would be more give and take. Right now, the way the GNU setup sees the world...divided. Commercial things/people are BAD and out, and free people are GOOD and in. MiscKit is all inclusive, everyone works together...there is, IMO, a greater sense of harmony....and as the saying goes...United we stand, divided we fall... > I personally haven't released copyleft code, though I've done copymiddle releases of some sources, and regular copyright binary release. But I really don't think Linux, for instance, could have been written as a copymiddle endeavor. Even if the people to work on it had been found, they'd have splinterred into competing vendors _long_ before 2.0.0 was released. I think Linux could have been written under a MiscKit type arrangement... But as always, I reserve my right to be 100% wrong ;) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 07:37:36 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5710s0$59r@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> UG, typos, sorry :) > Do you think that code is simple? No, it's one of THE most complicated codes ever. Some statutes are 38 pages long...that's a 38 page long sentence...just try and find the... VERB > Anyway, sometimes just getting the 'gist' of an apology, more accurately depicts reality than cold, deterministic knowledge... Of course sometimes not. apology? That should be ANALOGY :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: clu@malihh.hanse.de (Carsten Lutz) Subject: mSQL: real type problems Organization: Rambozo's Realitaetsforschung Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:37:09 GMT Message-ID: <E1605y.Cw@malihh.hanse.de> Moin, folx ! I am using mSQL 1.0.16 on NeXTstep 3.0 ( that's ancient, I know ). Basically, the package compiles and runs fine except that the real type is buggy: The query CREATE TABLE test( r real )\g INSERT INTO test VALUES(1.5)\g SELECT * FROM test\g results in 1 row matched. +--------------+ | r | +--------------+ | 2.1219957909652723e-314| +--------------+ which is oviously nonsense. Is anyone experiencing similar problems ? greetinx, Carsten -- -- * Carsten Lutz, Hamburg, GER / clu@malihh.high-performance.de * * Voice : +49 40 85322368 Fax: +49 4101 27757 Zyxel : +49 40 8515315 * * finger me for my PGP public key ! *
From: William Grosso <apuleius@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:11:32 -0800 Organization: LCdVC Message-ID: <329400A4.35B6@ix.netcom.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > Sometimes intuition and experience are superior to logic. For > example, A part of a certain legal code required that all subsequent > statutes enacted under the code, could be no longer than a single sentence. > The logical purpose of limiting statutes to a single sentence, was to > simplify the law, so even lay people could understand it. > > Do you think that code is simple? No, it's one of THE most complicated > codes ever. Some statutes are 38 pages long...that's a 38 page long > sentence...just try and find the sentence. One would think that finding a 38 page sentence wouldn't be all that difficult. I guess I'm just not lawyer material :-) Andy -- "Study of method by itself is always barren" Christopher Alexander
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 07:41:09 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Programming for a living seems to be a > decent one, to say the least. I suggest they ought to get paid for that > part of their life. And if they do get paid for programming, they cannot > use GNU stuff b/c of the GPL. I would hope that a law student can interpret the GPL correctly, but John's interpretation seems contrary to my lay interpretation of the GPL. Where does the GPL state that a programmer can't be paid for work distributed under the GPL? My reading of the GPL suggests that one must distribute code that uses GPL code with the same rights granted by the GPL: i.e., source must be included and distribution must not be limited. NeXT licenses modified GNU software with NS/OS for a fee. But source must be distributed which NeXT does. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 08:37:49 +0100 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Sender: tiggr@tom.es.ele.tue.nl Message-ID: <x77mnfgapd.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 21 Nov 1996 05:54:12 GMT In article <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: So, we have commercial people working faster, more efficiently, producing better works...and we still have free code for all. I just don't see a down side... The down side is fairness: Why would I write free code for you to use commercially if you (the consumer of my code) never return the favour? --Tiggr
From: root@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Browsing Woes Date: 20 Nov 1996 22:05:42 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Distribution: world Message-ID: <56vvbm$39tm@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <56vc3m$14ce@news.doit.wisc.edu> > ahh, how about updating to OmniWeb 2.4 for a start :-) > Sorry, I meant 2.1.4. Actually the latest release is 2.5 anyway (extract foot from mouth :-) - Gareth
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From: Jarkko Isokungas <jti@black.oas.ratol.fi> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 21 Nov 1996 02:17:24 GMT Organization: Kolumbus Information Network, Finnet Group Message-ID: <570e3k$o79@pinta.kolumbus.fi> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> <5704q1$5r5@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> : Yep, the best thing since sliced bread! Very recommended! Yup, Strongly recommended! (After I added all the NeXT's manpages it's quite neat "document launcher") -- +-------------------+---------------------------+-------------------+ | Jarkko Isokungas | GSM: +358 400 869 601 | Windows is most | | Snellmaninkatu 37 | Email: jti@iki.fi | popular adventure | | 67100 KOKKOLA +---------------------------+ game in the world | | FINLAND | NeXTSTEP user since 1992 | | +-------------------+---------------------------+-------------------+
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT on Cyrix PC Card? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:35:18 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <3286C922.2C44@earthlink.net> References: <mitchell.allen-0511962318130001@174.chicago-036.il.dial-access.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mitch <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> mitch wrote: > > I have a PowerMac with an Apple PC Compatibility card installed in a PCI > slot. The Card has a 100MHz Cyriz 586 chip on it. Does anyone know of > any way to install NeXT Step for Intel on this configuration? > > I appreciate any suggestions. NeXT is quite specific about what hardware it will run on. It can sometimes even be a pain to set up properly on a PC. I asked NeXT about such a set up awhile back. They said it most likely would NOT work. Among the reasons given were the fact that the keyboard and mouse are not connected to the card...they are still using Mac drivers. I'm sure there are many more reasons why it will not work. You might want to give the BeOS a try when it's available for the PowerPC. It's designed to run on currentPowerMac models. STEVE K.
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 21 Nov 1996 02:02:26 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) wrote: > LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). Well, only for people who prefer the keyboard to the mouse and text to graphics (what I will never be able to understandŽ) Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: robin@pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: 20 Nov 1996 19:29:58 GMT Organization: PSW Technologies Message-ID: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> Subject pretty much says it all... I need to use a Windows font in NEXTSTEP. If the Windows users save a file using this font as an "eps" image, I get a different font. I need to get their font on my machine so I can create an image of the file we are working on that can be used by NEXTSTEP users (the file is a corporate logo). Any help? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pswtech.com PSW Technologies 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 251-1737 (512) 343-6666
From: wli@pluto (Dr. Wei Li) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Help: Configuring NeXTStation as print server Date: 21 Nov 1996 01:52:05 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Message-ID: <570ck5$iej@info.uah.edu> I need help on configuring my NeXT station as a printer server for a Win95 machine. Specifically, I would like to print out MS Word and Excel documents from my NeXT laser printer via a thin ethernet connection between the Win95 machine and my NeXT station running NeXTStep. Any experience and advice are greatly appreciated. Thanks. -wei, wli@cs.uah.edu
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 21 Nov 1996 02:04:46 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <570dbu$f4o@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> <5704q1$5r5@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: frank@this.net In <5704q1$5r5@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Frank M. Siegert wrote: > In <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> David C. Lambert wrote: > > In <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf > Suckow) writes: > > >LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). > > > > Seconded, heartily. > > > > Yep, the best thing since sliced bread! Very recommended! > > Except that it only runs on Next and Intel hardware. :-/ -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: drmsmyth@moonstar.com (William F. Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:37:22 GMT Message-ID: <32928a8b.12373723@news.alterdial.uu.net> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <3292331d.1485666@news.alterdial.uu.net> <5708km$pbt@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Hmm, bummer about Typeology--I don't suppose anyone has a beta copy floating around? I'll look into PFBtoPFA, thanks! One last thing, the FontLab readme file which mentioned creating fonts for NeXT mentioned a program called, YAP--I can't find a filename which matches this on my brother-in-law's cube--any idea what it is or where/how I'd get it? Thanks again! William Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: mattj@invisix.com Subject: Looking for a good comm program Message-ID: <b147cc$16f1c.204@news.goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:15:28 GMT Hey there, I'm looking for a comm program that will let me use a ANSI terminal emulation to call some local BBS's. Right now, I'm using IComm, which works fine, but there's no ANSI emulation. I don't care about fancy dialing directories and tons of features, ANSI capabilities is my main need and the ability to address one of the two com ports on the back of my station easily. Shareware/freeware would also be handy as well, but all solutions are welcome... Thanks alot... -- MATT | mailto:mattj@invisix.com NeXTMail Ok jurcich | http://www.invisix.com Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 24MB, 250MB, NEC XP21, NEXTSTEP 3.2
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Browsing Woes Date: 21 Nov 1996 12:46:27 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> In article <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Jason L. Asbahr) writes: > Hi! > > I'm using OmniWeb 2.1, OmniImage 3.2, and ImageViewer 0.9i for > web browsing (and subsequent image conversion), and I'm getting > memory leaks and swapdisk fillage. Any advice? Sure. Use Netsurfer 2.0 [You asked for it ... ] Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Email:droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer
From: SVP527@news.salford.ac.uk (Stu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT OS on Intel Platform - possible, how much, and who from? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 17:13:18 GMT Organization: University of Salford Message-ID: <5722je$700_001@salford.ac.uk> Dear all, I'm quite interested in installing the Next OS on my P200 Intel PC. It has 40megs and a ample diskstore - can this be done? - did next release a binary for intel x86 series? Furthermore, where is the software obtainable from? Absolutely no reference is made to it in the mainstream computing UK press. How can one expect to pay, and are educational discounts available? Thanks for any help.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OOPS! (Re: Web Browsing Woes) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:42:59 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121084121.23202A-100000@kira> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Detlev Droege <droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de>, jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com an obvious case of typing before thinking... Detlev wrote "Netsurfer" and I read "Netscape".... Netsurfer is in no way producing kernel protection faults on any NeXTStep system. My eyes, fingers, and brain need to communicate better... TjL
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 07:10:15 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > Another thing you might notice about your local rabid programmer is that s/he often tries to find jobs which pay enough to live on, while leaving enough free time that the programmer actually spends more time programming _outside_ the job for free than they do on the paying job. Either that or jobs which allow enough latitude for on-the-job exploration. I'm not talking copyleft, here, I'm just talking recreational programming. Yes, but it would seem to follow, that those rabid people...those people with a deep love for programmers...generally speaking, are most qualified/talented at programming. And so, in there spare time they may do whatever they please...make free software as you suggest honing their skills...but when they want to get food on the tables for their kids, they need to have some vocation... Programming for a living seems to be a decent one, to say the least. I suggest they ought to get paid for that part of their life. And if they do get paid for programming, they cannot use GNU stuff b/c of the GPL. So they have to re-invent the wheel, and waste time, in the end, perhaps, building a lesser product. If GPL were more like the MiscKit, they could use the code to help them during work... And from that, they would save time, build a better product...AND...there would be added benefits for the free software... After working with the code at work, that programmer might find bugs or useful additions to the free software, which s/he maybe free to contribute back to the free software project. GPL pretty much forecloses such a symbiotic relationship IF the programmer wishes to make a profit on his work. > John, I'm not certain what your gripe with GPL is (and you certainly seem to have one!). But I would recommend that you go get a Slackware (or RedHat or Debian) Linux CD and install Linux. Linux2.0.0 is impressive enough that even if it doesn't make you agree with GPL, at the minimum it will make you _respect_ it. [Working under the presumption that if you respected it, you would quite making communist allusions and argue about the _real_ reason you don't like it!] Nope, I do not respect GPL, or the manifesto which inspired it. I do, however, have a great and DEEP respect for what GNU and it's members have accomplished in spite of being handicapped with the GPL. I hope I made it more clear why I don't like the GPL; I do have a nack on usenet of confusing any issue beyond comprehension :). I think the manifesto is a bit paternalistic...but more than that...I think the GPL forecloses on synergies that would givea net benefit to society. Again, I think the products that have come out of GNU are great, and the people that made it all happen are fantastic. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de (Juergen Grieb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MATLAB Date: 21 Nov 1996 08:20:43 GMT Organization: "private site" Distribution: world Message-ID: <5713cr$gdc@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> References: <56t7n5$t75@cocoa.brown.edu> Cc: andrew@hydra.cfm.brown.edu Andrew Jones wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a version of MATLAB for NeXTstep? > > I have a version that was written 1985 and ported to NeXT in 1991. > > Is there anything more recent? I haben't seen a newer one. But try to find Octave. It is almost like Matlab and as far as I remeber more recent. -- Juergen _______________________________________________________________________ Juergen Grieb ** 72119 Ammerbuch/Germany ** Tel. +7073 - 5118 e-mail: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de ** NeXTMail and Mime welcome PGP-Key is available (please request it, so mail exchange will be safe)
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 96 12:58:08 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 21 Nov 1996 07:10:15 GMT >>Another thing you might notice about your local rabid programmer >>is that s/he often tries to find jobs which pay enough to live >>on, while leaving enough free time that the programmer actually >>spends more time programming _outside_ the job for free than they >>do on the paying job. Either that or jobs which allow enough > >but when they want to get food on the tables for their kids, they >need to have some vocation... Programming for a living seems to >be a decent one, to say the least. I suggest they ought to get >paid for that part of their life. It's certainly nice to get paid for some programming. I don't expect to get paid for _all_ programming I do. For programming I'm not getting paid for, one of my biggest concerns is making sure that someone _else_ isn't getting paid for it. Yes, I know, that's selfish. >And if they do get paid for programming, they cannot use GNU stuff >b/c of the GPL. So they have to re-invent the wheel, and waste >time, in the end, perhaps, building a lesser product. You're missing something, here. You can use the GNU stuff all you want, for commercial and non-commercial use. I do it every day. What you _can't_ do (in essence) is ship GNU stuff as something you've written. You can even use GNU code in your package, so long as you provide a means of replacing the GNU code with updated GNU code, or a different package entirely. Say you're using gawk as part of a package. Then you just mention to the purchaser that you are doing so, or otherwise make it obvious, and they can replace your gawk with their own gawk as need be. Providing the source on-demand is no problem in this case, especially if you didn't modify them (you can just refer them to a public archive). Say you're using GNU code actually linked into your program. The worst option would require that you segregate the GNU code into a seperate .o module, and provide a means of relinking the program. But these days, you don't even have to go that far. Just put the GNU code in a DLL, shared library, or other dynamically linkable object file, and they can replace it at whim. You only have to provide the sources to the GNU portion, you don't have to provide sources to files which weren't originally GNU-based. The only time you have a dilemma is if you've started with GNU code and modified it to create your program. You can't get around the license, you have to distribute your modifications. Is that fair? Well, would it be fair if you could take advantage of all the previous work that was done to provide the package? In this case the GPL is somewhat like a virus - if there's a GNU package which provides value, you have to decide whether you want to increase the value or just strike out on your own. But this case really isn't the most common. Usually the GNU package will do more than anyone really wants to do in the first place, and you just want to use a portion in a modular fashion. To tell the truth, in my experience most programmers rewrite lesser versions of existing packages just because they don't know any better. If they did know better, they would only have rewritten a _better_ version! >After working with the code at work, that programmer might find >bugs or useful additions to the free software, which s/he maybe >free to contribute back to the free software project. GPL pretty >much forecloses such a symbiotic relationship IF the programmer >wishes to make a profit on his work. That's the point. With freeware, if someone has fixed bugs or otherwise enhanced a package, they have the option to either be a good citizen and contribute it back (symbiotic), or to use it as a competitive advantage (parasitic). GPL _requires_ the symbiotic relationship. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: 21 Nov 1996 16:29:54 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <572022$922@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> Cc: robin@pswtech.com In <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> Robin Wilson wrote: > Subject pretty much says it all... I need to use a Windows font in NEXTSTEP. > If the Windows users save a file using this font as an "eps" image, I get a > different font. I need to get their font on my machine so I can create an > image of the file we are working on that can be used by NEXTSTEP users (the > file is a corporate logo). > > Any help? > You should be able to convert the .pfb file (or the TrueType version) with my tool FontConvert ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/next/Fonts/converters/FontConvert.1.3b.NIHS.b.tar.gz Introduction: This program converts Type1 fonts from the Macintosh(R) LWFN, MSDOS(R) PFB, plain PFA and some TrueType formats to the NeXT font (PFA) format. In the process it is able to calculate an AFM file out of the font information and installs the font in your system. FontConvert can be used free of charge for any purpose. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Browsing Woes Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:23:11 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Detlev Droege <droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de>, jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu In-Reply-To: <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com On 21 Nov 1996, Detlev Droege wrote: > > In article <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu > (Jason L. Asbahr) writes: > > Hi! > > > > I'm using OmniWeb 2.1, OmniImage 3.2, and ImageViewer 0.9i for > > web browsing (and subsequent image conversion), and I'm getting > > memory leaks and swapdisk fillage. Any advice? > > Sure. Use Netsurfer 2.0 > > [You asked for it ... ] yeah, sure, if you don't mind getting kernel protection faults every few minutes. A better solution would be: a) get the new&improved ImageViewer which solves the memory leak problem: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/graphics/viewers/ImageViewer.0.9k.NIHS.b.t ar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/graphics/viewers/ImageViewer.0.9k.README b) get the new&improved OmniWeb which doesn't need external programs to view images: goto this folder: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5 and get the right arch for you. TjL
From: suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 21 Nov 1996 16:15:17 GMT Organization: Alcatel/Bell Distribution: world Message-ID: <571v6l$jr9@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <570e3k$o79@pinta.kolumbus.fi> Jarkko Isokungas <jti@black.oas.ratol.fi> writes > (After I added all the NeXT's manpages it's quite neat "document launcher") But, how did you manage that it opens the man-page formatted, not in Edit.app? Thanks, ------------------------ Ralf.Suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de | All opinions are mine.
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 12:10:12 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qdenhn1a6z.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > Well, let me be just a little pedantic here... I think GNU is > great, and successful, and a NET plus for humanity. I think what > was written in the manifesto, was proven, at least to a certain > extent, wrong. In the manifesto it talks about programmers not > really needing to be paid, and that they should just do it for free > for the fun of it... Actually, the manifesto is much more a personal document than the decree you seem to be painting it. It talks a lot about what RMS feels about his own motives, and why he started the GNU project. The peiece that you're casting as "programmers don't really need to be paid" is actually closer to "programmers will program for reasons other than money, but if they can do the same work and make lots of money at the same time, they will." > Moreover, I think that the GPL would serve humanity better, if it > adopted an approach like the MiscKit. GPL prevents industry from > using source and technology...things get 'locked.' Right. Which is why so many commercial houses are using the MiscKit in their products, such as...um...somebody help me out here... (To be fair, I have found one -- OTTR, a patient tracking system that uses various MiscKit classes.) A question for those who do use the MiscKit in their products, or who are working on the MiscKit itself, let me ask you a hypothetical question -- would you stop using it or developing for it if it were released under the Library GNU Public License? The LGPL states (if I'm understanding it correctly) that any modifications you make to the library itself must be made available, and that the library source code must be made available when you are distributing an application linked with the library, but the source to the application itself can remain private (http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/lgpl.html). > Well, it's a loooooooooooose use of the word, to say the least. The > manifesto of course seems pretty communistic, in that it just deems > programmers don't need to be paid...they should just enjoy doing the > work for free (for the state?). That all programs and source should > not belong to anyone person, but to everyone. That the idea of > intellectual property, is somehow inherently bad. I'd say that's pretty much a looooooooooooose reading of the manifesto. You may want to look at it again (http://www.fsf.org/gnu/manifesto.html). > Why would I ever invest in research if I could never recoup my > investment. On the other hand, a monopoly forever would be bad. > Somewhere in the middle, lies the greatest utility for humanity... > 17years is not too bad a middle... In an environment where it takes a decade to build a manufacturing line for an invention and bring it to market, yes. In an environment where it takes 17 months to bring an invention to market, no. > Well, the MiscKit prevents companies from locking things away, yet > allows EVERYONE, not only to use the work, but also to make a living > (and gasp, even profit from it :). Although I realize you're locked into this notation that the entire GNU thing is communist, there's nothing about it that prevents profiting. Even before I joined Cygnus, I'd met many people working for companies who'd paid Cygnus for developing GNU software (not just supporting it), because it gave them a competitive edge... Also, let's not start attributing things to the MiscKit license that it just doesn't have. The MiscKit license doesn't have provisions to "prevent companies from locking things away"; it's merely designed to keep the `standard' distribution of the MiscKit under the control of the administrator and the individual authors. Companies can still lock changes away; they just have to get permission first. And if Don decides he doesn't want to give permission, they're in the same boat that they would be in if they were using the LGPL -- release the modifications or re-implement the objects they need. -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:50:13 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> In-Reply-To: <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 21-Nov-96 Re: LaunchBar by Norbert He.. by Uli Zappe@tallowcross.un > suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) wrote: >> LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). > > Well, only for people who prefer the keyboard to the mouse and text to > graphics (what I will never be able to understandŽ) Perhaps I can explain it so that you do understand. There is a relatively new field combining aspects of computer science like user-interface design with psychology (cognitive psych, and human perception-response time) known as human-computer interaction. One of the purposes of HCI is to understand how people use interfaces, and to provide the means by which one can model and predict down to the millisecond level how people actually perform tasks. HCI lets you experimentally determine that there are tasks which can be performed more efficiently via a GUI interface (redundant phrase, that) and the mouse, and are other tasks which can be performed more efficiently via the keyboard and a simple text interface. One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data entry, although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs from my keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. And LaunchBar lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications much faster than you could do so browsing through /LocalApps. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: jens@ipc.de (Jens Ch. Gloede) Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Message-ID: <E18M97.9wC@interpc.de> Sender: usenet@interpc.de Organization: interpersonal-computing GmbH References: <56qv7q$2jb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:29:30 GMT pb141@columbia.edu writes > On 11/18/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: > | Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? > | I've been using ToyViewer's "Save As" feature, but wondering if > there is > | another/better way. > ImageViewer seems to write reasonable jpegs. GifOMatic will open a > tiff and write the gif. Then There's always PixelMagician. Yep and for JPG there is CompressOmatic.app - and they are all for free! ftp://ftp.peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Graphics/convertors /GifOmatic.1.2.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/graphics/GifOmatic.1.2.NIHS b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Graphics/convertors /CompressOmatic.1.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/graphics/CompressOmatic.1.0 NIHS.b.tar.gz so long, jens ch. gloede __ _________________________________________________________ interpersonal-computing Imagination. Made in Europe. NeXT Center Munich http://www.ipc.de/ Oettingenstrasse 2 Jens Ch. Gloede - CEO ipc - 80538 Munich Tel.: ++49 (0)89 219975-0 GERMANY / Bavaria Fax.: ++49 (0)89 223376 E-Mail: jens@ipc.de NeXT & MIME Mail ok (int.< 1 MB)
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Browsing Woes Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:54:57 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <kmZA6VO00UzxA2A5Uy@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 21-Nov-96 Re: Web Browsing Woes by Timothy Luoma@peak.org >> Sure. Use Netsurfer 2.0 >> >> [You asked for it ... ] > > yeah, sure, if you don't mind getting kernel protection faults every few > minutes. I've never noticed a correlation between Netsurfer and system panics. :-) -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: pb141@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 21 Nov 1996 21:43:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <572ie1$gc4$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> <5704q1$5r5@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <570dbu$f4o@majipoor.cygnus.com> In-Reply-To: <570dbu$f4o@majipoor.cygnus.com> On 11/20/96, John Rudd wrote: >In <5704q1$5r5@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Frank M. Siegert wrote: >> In <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> David C. Lambert wrote: >> > In <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf >> Suckow) writes: >> > >LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). >> > >> > Seconded, heartily. >> > >> >> Yep, the best thing since sliced bread! Very recommended! >> >> > >Except that it only runs on Next and Intel hardware. :-/ > >-- >John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) Anything running on Next hardware is a feat. And what a handy feat it is. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: pb141@columbia.edu Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________ I'm like a dog with a bone; I gnaw on it until I understand the dynamics. Helen Caldicot, NPR interview
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Example .pinerc? Date: 21 Nov 1996 18:23:13 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5726mh$538@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> I just downloaded the pine/pico/pilot suite, just to save myself from having to use BSD mail on the rare occasions when I have to go through the command line. I seem to be having some trouble setting the defaults to make it cooperate seamlessly with Mail.app, mostly because pine seems to have a lot of DOS-spawned terminology of its own. Here's roughly what I want to do: (1) Read incoming mail from Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox, write outgoing mail to Mailboxes/Outgoing.mbox/mbox, and save unfinished stuff in Mailboxes/Drafts.mbox/mbox. (2) Look in Mailboxes/*/*.mbox/mbox for other mailboxes, where the problem seems to be that pine expects all your mailboxes in one "folder", which seems to be two wildcards too simple. (3) Turn a 10-kilobyte .mailrc or (NeXT-style) .mailalias into an .addressbook, without massaging it by hand. Has anyone got this up and working, and if so, could you please send me the appropriate configuration files and advice? I think he said I |====================================================== didn't know my burro | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu from a burrow.... |======================================================
From: eighth@crl.com (Christoph Steiner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT OS on Intel Platform - possible, how much, and who from? Date: 21 Nov 1996 11:16:07 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Message-ID: <5729pn$5uu@crl.crl.com> References: <5722je$700_001@salford.ac.uk> >I'm quite interested in installing the Next OS on my P200 Intel PC. >It has 40megs and a ample diskstore - can this be done? - did next >release a binary for intel x86 series? Most definitely... also for Sun Sparc and HP PA-RISC >How can one expect to pay, and are educational discounts available? I bought the Academic package for NeXTSTEP 3.3 for ~$300. It comes with the full developer's package also(as far as I know). Supposedly many college bookstores carry it here in the US. I think Barnes and Noble specifically. Also, http://www.apache.com sells computers set up for NEXTSTEP, Sso I beleive the sell NEXTSTEP also. It may only be the commercial package, which is much more expensive. Good luck....HC
From: tvz@Princeton.EDU (Timothy Van Zandt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Precompiled GhostScript 4.03? Date: 21 Nov 1996 19:03:14 GMT Organization: Princeton University Message-ID: <57291i$hbv@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Is there are precompiled version of gs 4.03 available out there for black hardware? I am only interested in having a command ps2pdf. Tim -- Timothy Van Zandt Email: tvz@princeton.edu Department of Economics WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~tvz Princeton University Voice: (609) 258-4050 Princeton, NJ 08544-1021 Fax: (609) 258-6419
From: bnd00796@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT 101 Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:18:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961122002000.TAA19020@ladder01.news.aol.com> Hi, Having just purchased a NeXTmonostation for quite a cheap price, I am now fully jumping into the NeXT Realm. Coming from the Macintosh world, I am used to being "spoon fed" in terms of having everything very easy to use. From what I can see, the NeXTStep software is easy as well, except I have a few BASIC BASIC questions that hopefully won't be having too many people roll their eyes (incidentally I have read the FAQ...which seems a bit dated since it says a company out there still sells NeXT mousepads & T-shirts and when I called them they told me that haven't sold them for 3 years). ANYWAY, I was wondering WHERE do I find the NeXT Version of gunzip and gnutar.tar.z??? I seem to be finding plenty of versions for UNIX in general, but nothing NeXT-Specific. IS there one, or do I have to somehow make use of the UNIX shell (GOD I hope not) to do it. Second question, what the HECK is the final say on the NeXT Modem Cable. DO I really have to shell out $30 or so for a "BLACK" cable? And what is the difference between RS-232 & RS-423 ports? And I keep reading about these expensive modems that I need to purchase. Isn't there some kind of CHEAP 14.4 modem as long as I have the right cable? Third Question, I try to run two programs off of my hard drive "PhoneManager" and something else that starts with "Phone." When I do so it says "unable to run program -- it is damaged" or something to that effect. Does this mean they are thrashed? Should I go ahead and recycle them??? Unfortunately, I do not have the original 3.2 install disks (the computer came with a 3.0 CD ROM..and of course I don't have a CD ROM drive..hehe). Incidentally, are there defrag and disk repair programs available for Hard Disks on the NeXT? I read someone's post that "NeXT isn't subject to these types of problems." What does NeXT use indestructable Hard Disks (The Quantum in mine looks no different than any other hard disk that I've seen). Sorry if I seem frustrated and cynical, but I can't really find any "up-to-date" information on the Net. I realize that NeXT is no longer making computers, but I really need to get support for it. I am beginning to think that "showing up to the party late" was not such a good idea. Come on folks, Convert me to NeXT! :) Thanks, Bill
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:39:19 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > >And if they do get paid for programming, they cannot use GNU stuff > >b/c of the GPL. So they have to re-invent the wheel, and waste > >time, in the end, perhaps, building a lesser product. > You're missing something, here. You can use the GNU stuff all you want, for commercial and non-commercial use. I do it every day. What you _can't_ do (in essence) is ship GNU stuff as something you've written. You can even use GNU code in your package, so long as you provide a means of replacing the GNU code with updated GNU code, or a different package entirely. Sure, you can use the GNU stuff for commercial use, as long as you don't charge for the actual derivative work (only for distribution or support). And so long as you give out source code for the ENTIRE resulting work. MISCKIT, to me, seems clearly a superior way. > Say you're using gawk as part of a package. Then you just mention to the purchaser that you are doing so, or otherwise make it obvious, and they can replace your gawk with their own gawk as need be. Providing the source on-demand is no problem in this case, especially if you didn't modify them (you can just refer them to a public archive). But if you actually integrate gawk code into your new superGawkAndThenSomeApp, you have to release the source for the entire new superGawkAndThenSomeApp. Sure, if you keep gawk separate and make a new program not using GNU code, you can have gawk feed your app w/o releasing source to yourApp. But that is ofttimes limiting. > Say you're using GNU code actually linked into your program. The worst option would require that you segregate the GNU code into a seperate .o module, and provide a means of relinking the program. But these days, you don't even have to go that far. Just put the GNU code in a DLL, shared library, or other dynamically linkable object file, and they can replace it at whim. You only have to provide the sources to the GNU portion, you don't have to provide sources to files which weren't originally GNU-based. Right, so if you 'compartmentalize' you can get around releasing source to your app. But if you want to interweave GNU code throughout your app in way that you can't produce separate 'compartmentalized' pieces of object code, you're sunk; you have to release all the source, and your contribution has be 'captured' by the GPL forever. > The only time you have a dilemma is if you've started with GNU code and modified it to create your program. You can't get around the license, you have to distribute your modifications. Is that fair? Well, would it be fair if you could take advantage of all the previous work that was done to provide the package? In this case the GPL is somewhat like a virus - if there's a GNU package which provides value, you have to decide whether you want to increase the value or just strike out on your own. But this case really isn't the most common. Usually the GNU package will do more than anyone really wants to do in the first place, and you just want to use a portion in a modular fashion. It's common enough. It's common enough that at least a dozen times on a single project I could have saved myself a lot of work, and likely the resultant product would have been MUCH better than what I produced. Again, seems we agree and read everything exactly the same. We just see the above instance when GPL acts like a virus (and I think it's an apt way of describing it) as being more (me) or less (you) significant. I really don't see the downside of letting programmers do this. Commercial programmers end up just not using GNU code and re-inventing the wheel. If they did use it, they would incorporate it into their apps and those commercial apps would be better. And then, at their option, maybe for gratitude, if they made some improvements they could volunteer to upgrade things. > To tell the truth, in my experience most programmers rewrite lesser versions of existing packages just because they don't know any better. If they did know better, they would only have rewritten a _better_ version! Well, if they could use GNU source freely, they could improve up on it (building on the shoulders of giants) and make money on their commercial products. And maybe, release some improvements to the general community as well...Maybe it's not going to happen ALL the time, but right now, it NEVER happens, b/c commercial developers don't use it. > >After working with the code at work, that programmer might find > >bugs or useful additions to the free software, which s/he maybe > >free to contribute back to the free software project. GPL pretty > >much forecloses such a symbiotic relationship IF the programmer > >wishes to make a profit on his work. > That's the point. With freeware, if someone has fixed bugs or otherwise enhanced a package, they have the option to either be a good citizen and contribute it back (symbiotic), or to use it as a competitive advantage (parasitic). GPL _requires_ the symbiotic relationship. I disagree. If I want to use gawk code in my new app, for whatever reason..by necessity it must be interwoven, I do so, and make some improvements to the gawk code. I don't want to give all my code source out for everyone to use... Now maybe I wont give anything back, but maybe I'll give back just some improvements back. To me that's symbiotic... B/C as it stands, I just wont use GNU stuff at all and waste time (gaining nothing from GNU) and will NEVER give any improvements back to GNU (GNU gaining nothing back from the experience of commercial programmers). -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:51:53 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <qdenhn1a6z.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > Actually, the manifesto is much more a personal document than the decree you seem to be painting it. It talks a lot about what RMS feels about his own motives, and why he started the GNU project. The peiece that you're casting as "programmers don't really need to be paid" is actually closer to "programmers will program for reasons other than money, but if they can do the same work and make lots of money at the same time, they will." Exactly. And just like the Declaration of Independence is not a legally binding document, nor is the GNU manifesto. But just as the Constitution tries to embody the the principles in the Declaration of Independence (at least we'd like to think so--all men created equal, etc.), and so does the GPL try to put into practice, the principles in the manifesto. > Right. Which is why so many commercial houses are using the MiscKit in their products, such as...um...somebody help me out here... Well, it's a much smaller universe of commercial houses in 'NeXT-land'... I would guess there are more... I don't know for sure, but I think Stone may... > (To be fair, I have found one -- OTTR, a patient tracking system that uses various MiscKit classes.) Well, it's one more commercial house than use GNU interwoven in their source... > > Well, it's a loooooooooooose use of the word, to say the least. The > > manifesto of course seems pretty communistic, in that it just deems > > programmers don't need to be paid...they should just enjoy doing the > > work for free (for the state?). That all programs and source should > > not belong to anyone person, but to everyone. That the idea of > > intellectual property, is somehow inherently bad. > I'd say that's pretty much a looooooooooooose reading of the manifesto. You may want to look at it again (http://www.fsf.org/gnu/manifesto.html). I've read it... It makes my blood boil... I think if I read it again, I'll have a brain aneurism (I expect to receive several copies via email shortly :) > In an environment where it takes a decade to build a manufacturing line for an invention and bring it to market, yes. In an environment where it takes 17 months to bring an invention to market, no. So if I spent 17 months writing a book, I shouldn't be able to make money on it? If I spent 17 months writing software, I shouldn't be able to recoup?... > > Well, the MiscKit prevents companies from locking things away, yet > > allows EVERYONE, not only to use the work, but also to make a living > > (and gasp, even profit from it :). > Although I realize you're locked into this notation that the entire GNU thing is communist, there's nothing about it that prevents profiting. Even before I joined Cygnus, I'd met many people working for companies who'd paid Cygnus for developing GNU software (not just supporting it), because it gave them a competitive edge... Yes there is. You CANNOT interweave GNU source into your app and sell it. You can charge to distribute it or service it... But if you interweave GNU source, you can't charge for it, and to boot, you have to release ALL source code. That pretty much prevents using their source code to help you whenever you need it... It limits to using their products as separate 'compartmentalized' products... > Also, let's not start attributing things to the MiscKit license that it just doesn't have. The MiscKit license doesn't have provisions to "prevent companies from locking things away"; it's merely designed to keep the `standard' distribution of the MiscKit under the control of the administrator and the individual authors. Companies can still lock changes away; they just have to get permission first. And if Don decides he doesn't want to give permission, they're in the same boat that they would be in if they were using the LGPL -- release the modifications or re-implement the objects they need. Yes, exactly, companies CAN lock their software. So if they use 400lines of MiscKit code in a 1million line app, they don't have to release 1million lines of code. That is a good thing if they want to actually make a profit on their 1million lines of code. With MISCKIT, they can save themselves 400lines of code. However, with GNU, you'd have to re-invent the wheel for those 400lines of code. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 21 Nov 1996 20:34:51 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <572vvr$mro@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> In article <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) wrote: > > LaunchBar is absolutely cool (just wanted to mention it). > Well, only for people who prefer the keyboard to the mouse It's considerably faster that way. It's much faster to type a few keystrokes, especially when your hands are on the keyboard all the time anyway, than to switch between keyboard and mouse all the time, and click through directories and search for the application you want. > and text to graphics (what I will never be able to understandŽ) If we preferred text to graphics, we wouldn't be bothering with NEXTSTEP at all, we'd just be using X-Windows. I like graphical apps, I just want hotkeys and keyboard shortcuts so I don't have to sacrifice efficiency. And for those who want to do everything with a mouse, you still can. Best of both worlds. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: 22 Nov 1996 01:30:52 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <572voc$n10@nntp1.best.com> References: <19961122002000.TAA19020@ladder01.news.aol.com> bnd00796@aol.com wrote: : ANYWAY, I was wondering WHERE do I find the NeXT Version of : gunzip and gnutar.tar.z??? I seem to be finding plenty of versions for : UNIX in general, but nothing NeXT-Specific. IS there one, or do I have to : somehow make use of the UNIX shell (GOD I hope not) to do it. ftp next-ftp.peak.org:pub/next/latest_versions/Opener.tar.gz Install Opener on your machine in /LocalApps or ~/Apps and from then on all you'll ever have to do is double-click on files with all sorts of archive filename extensions, including .gz, .tar.z, .tgz and other permutations. Opener is freeware, so enjoy! Now of course you can only unarchive the Opener archive if you already have gzip/gunzip. This is part of the distribution of the later versions of NeXTSTEP, but if you don't have it send me an e-mail and I'll NeXTmail the binary to you so you can get started. Denise (Opener's mom) -- Denise Howard | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar to Mountain View, CA | banging one's head against a wall, but deniseh@best.com | with fewer opportunities for reward. NeXTMail welcome! | http://www.best.com/~deniseh
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 02:56:34 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5734p2$i51@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <572r8c$bbq@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > I guess some people really want to do with the entire idea of > intellectual property. I guess China has it right. There's no > need to compensate producers of intellectual property. All such > products should be available for free, so that we can have greater > access to them. Although I'm an American myself, I get mightily sick of our country's hypocritical outrage at Chinese software and music piracy. Not because I scorn intellectual property rights or want to do authors out of their well-earned royalties, but because we are the *last* nation on the face of the earth to claim any credibility on this issue. For a hundred and fifty years, the United States was a net importer of intellectual property, and we raped English novelists, essayists, and journalists so shamelessly that individual authors (Shaw and Tolkien, to name two) finally had to appeal to individual conscience by putting notes on the covers of their authorized US editions, begging us to buy no others. Now, for the first time in our history, the leak is flowing the other way, and suddenly we're screaming like virgins. Serves us bloody right. `So who is General |======================================================= Failure, and why is | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu he reading my disk?' |=======================================================
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 23:54:40 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <572q40$bbq@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> <x77mnfgapd.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) wrote: > In article <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > So, we have commercial people working faster, more efficiently, > producing better works...and we still have free code for all. I just > don't see a down side... > The down side is fairness: Why would I write free code for you to use commercially if you (the consumer of my code) never return the favour? Because you're not greedy? Because he still may turn around and donate something to GNU as a sign of appreciation. REGARDLESS, he will not use GNU if he needs to do a commercial product. At least if you give PHILANTHROPICALLY let him use his code (like you would ANY other human being), he might feel grateful enough to contribute something back. Right now, even guilt isn't an incentive with the GPL...since no one uses it commercially. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:09:17 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > Programming for a living seems to be a > > decent one, to say the least. I suggest they ought to get paid for that > > part of their life. And if they do get paid for programming, they cannot > > use GNU stuff b/c of the GPL. > I would hope that a law student can interpret the GPL correctly, but John's interpretation seems contrary to my lay interpretation of the GPL. Where does the GPL state that a programmer can't be paid for work distributed under the GPL? My reading of the GPL suggests that one must distribute code that uses GPL code with the same rights granted by the GPL: i.e., source must be included and distribution must not be limited. DISTRIBUTION...INCLUDING SOURCE CODE. And that SOURCE code can be used by anyone FOR FREE! So one guy can by the CD distribution you bought, copy it onto the web, and let it be legally copied. That kills any commercial value in the product. Here's a snippet: "For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients ___all___ the rights that ___you___ have." One of YOUR rights is to give away your program for FREE. "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee." " b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at __no__ charge to all third parties under the terms of this License." So you can only charge for physical distribution. But not for the actual work. Once it's out there, people can copy it continously. I can take the GNU compiler on the NeXT distribution and put it on the web for DL'ing. (BTW, the above snippets came from the NeXTdeveloper CD's). > NeXT licenses modified GNU software with NS/OS for a fee. But source must be distributed which NeXT does. So NeXT just uses the GNU compiler to interact with the products they DO charge for...InterfaceBuilder, ProjectBuilder, etc... They charge (and a hefty amount too) several THOUSAND dollars for NeXTSTEP developer... Would you pay several thousand dollars for a CD with just emacs on it when you can get it for free anywhere on the Net? -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:14:04 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <572r8c$bbq@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) wrote: > In <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > BTW - do you like the utter moronic hypocrisy of "non-communist" (i.e. commercial) programs whose source code is "locked" away so that if you have a problem with them (after you paid hundreds of $$ for them) you can do _nothing_ but beg the producer of the software to fix it, if they are even still around???? I've experienced that several times. If that's the alternative to what you call communism, then I'd take your so called (mislabeled) "communism" any day. Yes, I guess if it's moronic to actually want to be PAID for programming and developing software, then yes, I'm a hypocritical moron that is GETTING PAID. So, if you work for any corporation that keeps trade secrets, considering you seem to be a man of strong principles, I'm guessing you will quit immediately and do what you get paid for without pay, because the secrets they keep prevent people from having access to them. I guess some people really want to do with the entire idea of intellectual property. I guess China has it right. There's no need to compensate producers of intellectual property. All such products should be available for free, so that we can have greater access to them. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:16:32 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <572rd0$bbq@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3292370C.21BA4281@screaming.org> <56tvtl$lt2@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20083052@howard.one.net> <570qq4$2gt@news4.digex.net> <329400A4.35B6@ix.netcom.com> William Grosso <apuleius@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > John Kheit wrote: > > Do you think that code is simple? No, it's one of THE most complicated > > codes ever. Some statutes are 38 pages long...that's a 38 page long > > sentence...just try and find the sentence. > One would think that finding a 38 page sentence wouldn't be all that difficult. > I guess I'm just not lawyer material :-) :) You caught my pseudo typo :) I meant to say, try and find _THE_ VERB. It's just tons and tons of fun :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:26:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <573dif$63d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > > Sure, you can use the GNU stuff for commercial use, as long as you > > > don't charge for the actual derivative work (only for distribution > > > or support). And so long as you give out source code for the ENTIRE > > > resulting work. MISCKIT, to me, seems clearly a superior way. > > > Incorrect. You can charge for the derivative work. However, you need to > give source code (or provide the ability to get it) for the resulting work > (except if it's compartmentalized as mentioned below). > > My read of it is...if you interweave source from GNU, you not ONLY have to > give source out so that others can use it (so why would they bother buying > from you if they have access to free source), but you cannot charge for > anything other than distribution or support. We distribute source for our shipping NS product which, including its database schema and extensive non-GUI UNIX database client utilities, licenses for over $100,000 for 4 seats. Seems like a lot of financial incentive to rip our code off, but, you know, people are too busy doing what they do, so no one is ripping us off. By the time they've figured out what's happening with our code, we've moved far ahead, so they're ahead by licensing from us. I don't think you credit good commercial customers with enough honesty, but then I'm not from New York :-) > Yes. Why? B/C, even if I didn't modify even a single line, and tried to > sell John'sEmacs for $100bux, why would someone buy it unless it was > substantially better than the GNU version which is free? I wouldn't... > But if I did add significant additional functions to emacs, why can't I > profit from it? You may. But you must distribute source so that others may build on the foundation laid by GNU and you. Hmm, sounds like a great system for enhancing software quality. What's so bad if I spent months/years working on it, why > can't I keep the source to myself and make a buck. Why don't you share your code with others and also make a buck? Others may improve your code and all will benefit. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Adding fonts to Next packages (Frame, Edit or OpenWrite ) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:53:30 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Sender: Bruce Patton Message-ID: <572tia$7hp@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> I put some Cryllic Fonts in the folder where all the other fonts reside, but none of the above applications will recognize them. Is there a way to use these fonts on any Nextstep application ( NS 3.2, Nextstation ) Thanks for any suggestions, Bruce bwp@engin.umich.edu
From: alanf@izzy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Graphical IRC client for NextStep? Date: 21 Nov 1996 19:42:20 GMT Organization: "Comshare, Inc." Message-ID: <572bas$fho@inet-prime.comshare.com> References: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961115153553.7102C-100000@pollux> Cc: kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de In <Pine.NXT.3.95.961115153553.7102C-100000@pollux> Konstantin Wiesel wrote: > > Is there a graphical IRC client available for NextStep? > > Regards > --- > Konstantin Wiesel > Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de > > > Go to: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~premise/ Sean Willson was writing one called Encircle, I don't know what state of completion it is at... Regards, Alan Frabutt alanf@izzy.net
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 17:30:29 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > Sure, you can use the GNU stuff for commercial use, as long as you > don't charge for the actual derivative work (only for distribution > or support). And so long as you give out source code for the ENTIRE > resulting work. MISCKIT, to me, seems clearly a superior way. Incorrect. You can charge for the derivative work. However, you need to give source code (or provide the ability to get it) for the resulting work (except if it's compartmentalized as mentioned below). You seem very hung up on the idea that you can't charge money for GNU software. That's just not so. > Right, so if you 'compartmentalize' you can get around releasing > source to your app. But if you want to interweave GNU code > throughout your app in way that you can't produce separate > 'compartmentalized' pieces of object code, you're sunk; you have to > release all the source, and your contribution has be 'captured' by > the GPL forever. You seem to be arguing that MiscKit is better in this regard, when the MiscKit license seems to strongly imply that if you're going to majorly modify MiscKit and distribute it, you need to talk to the administrator first (who will presumably try to get you to release your changes back to the MiscKit proper, and may or may not let you do it if you don't agree). Given that the MiscKit license does make a firm attempt to assert the rights of the administrator and the original authors, I suspect that most people interested in profit aren't going to be modifying MiscKit code due to potential legal problems. (For this, I suspect that something like Larry Wall's `Artistic License' would be nicer). > Well, if they could use GNU source freely, they could improve up on it > (building on the shoulders of giants) and make money on their commercial > products. Please note that this statement assumes that the `giants' would have released their code if others could capitalize on their work. -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: "Albert Chin-A-Young" <china@xnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenStep/Mach 4.2 Date: 22 Nov 1996 01:52:38 GMT Organization: XNet - Chicagoland's Regional ISP (630) 983-6064 Message-ID: <573116$mku@flood.xnet.com> From the recent CERT advisory on sendmail: >NeXT Software, Inc. >=================== >NeXT is not vulnerable to the problem described in Section IV.A. >NeXT is vulnerable to the problem described in Section IV.B, and it >will be fixed in release 4.2 of OpenStep/Mach. Dunno when but it looks like there will be a 4.2. -- albert chin <china@xnet.com> NeXTMail accepted
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 20:42:45 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5730el$28n@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <qdenhn1a6z.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net> In article <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > You CANNOT interweave GNU source into your app and sell it. > You can charge to distribute it or service it... But if you interweave GNU > source, you can't charge for it, and to boot, you have to release ALL > source code. That is true of applications under the GPL. However, it seems like some of the examples used here, like the MiscKit, would fall under the LGPL. If the MiscKit were under the LGPL, then anyone who modified or added classes to the MiscKit would have to release them, but they would be perfectly free to utilize the MiscKit (unmodified or not) in their million-line app or whatever without having to release the source to their entire app. The LGPL only applies when modifying the library itself, not to using it. (Although if you use it, you may have to distribute the LGPL'd library source along with your app's binary.) -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: 22 Nov 1996 01:51:30 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5730v2$avi@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <19961122002000.TAA19020@ladder01.news.aol.com> <572voc$n10@nntp1.best.com> Cc: deniseh@nntp.best.com In <572voc$n10@nntp1.best.com> Denise Howard wrote: > bnd00796@aol.com wrote: > : ANYWAY, I was wondering WHERE do I find the NeXT Version of > : gunzip and gnutar.tar.z??? I seem to be finding plenty of versions for > : UNIX in general, but nothing NeXT-Specific. IS there one, or do I have to > : somehow make use of the UNIX shell (GOD I hope not) to do it. > Now of course you can only unarchive the Opener archive if you already > have gzip/gunzip. This is part of the distribution of the later versions > of NeXTSTEP, Specifically, they're in /usr/bin on NS3.3.. and probably OS4.0. I think under NS3.2 they were somewhere else (/usr/gnu/bin? or /usr/local/bin?) -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: akim@cogent.net (Andrew Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: HP ScanJet 4C TWAIN Driver? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:09:39 -0800 Organization: Cogent Software Message-ID: <akim-2111962309400001@mfs-annex1-p3.dsphere.net> Where can I find twain device for NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP for mach? I would like to use my HP Scanner with Lighthouse WetPaint. But I just can not find way to scan it. HELP!
From: cchris@chum.hooked.net (Chris Christensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WordPerfect problem Date: 19 Nov 1996 03:15:47 GMT Organization: Hooked Online Services Message-ID: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> Greetings, I have WordPerfect v. 1.01 on my NeXT station. Whenever I underline a word the word is replaced with "^A". Whenever I bold a word it is replaced with "1". The other functions seem to work fine. Is this a bug? Thanks, Chris <cchris@hooked.net>
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 21 Nov 1996 18:48:44 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qd917u26b7.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <qdenhn1a6z.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > > Actually, the manifesto is much more a personal document than the > > decree you seem to be painting it. [...] > Exactly. And just like the Declaration of Independence is not a > legally binding document, nor is the GNU manifesto. But just as the > Constitution tries to embody the the principles in the Declaration > of Independence (at least we'd like to think so--all men created > equal, etc.), and so does the GPL try to put into practice, the > principles in the manifesto. A very nice analogy. Recall that you're trying to call the principles of the entire GNU framework into question simply on the basis of one document, written by one man, who was watching something he loved get torn apart. That's a lot like reading the Declaration of Independence and deciding that all American policies must be based on pissed-off anarchism. (Hmmm...that may be true...) I don't think so, but I'm willing to be corrected. > > (To be fair, I have found one -- OTTR, a patient tracking system > > that uses various MiscKit classes.) > > Well, it's one more commercial house than use GNU interwoven in > their source... Or at least, it would be if NeXT didn't do that very thing in their compiler and debugger. Now, since OTTR is probably using MiscKit unmodified, do you want to compare apples to apples? Commercial houses distributing GNU software in their systems either compartmentalized or without modification? NeXT, DEC, SGI, BSDI, many Linux distributors, ... > > In an environment where it takes a decade to build a manufacturing > > line for an invention and bring it to market, yes. In an > > environment where it takes 17 months to bring an invention to > > market, no. > > So if I spent 17 months writing a book, I shouldn't be able to make > money on it? If I spent 17 months writing software, I shouldn't be > able to recoup?... With the book example, you've just switched between patent law and copyright law. I was pretty much just addressing your statement that a 17-year patent life was about right (I still believe that that interval is too long for software). And, if you spent 17 months writing software, I think you deserve to make every penny you can off of it. I'm just not convinced you deserve to make every penny you can off of code *I* spent 17 months writing, though. > > Although I realize you're locked into this notation that the > > entire GNU thing is communist, there's nothing about it that > > prevents profiting. > > Yes there is. You CANNOT interweave GNU source into your app and > sell it. You can charge to distribute it or service it... Um, charging to distribute it *is* selling it... > Yes, exactly, companies CAN lock their software. Then why did you say MiscKit would prevent this? :-) > So if they use 400lines of MiscKit code in a 1million line app, they > don't have to release 1million lines of code. That is a good thing > if they want to actually make a profit on their 1million lines of > code. With MISCKIT, they can save themselves 400lines of code. > However, with GNU, you'd have to re-invent the wheel for those > 400lines of code. Not if those 400 lines of code are under the LGPL. -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 04:01:57 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > Sure, you can use the GNU stuff for commercial use, as long as you > > don't charge for the actual derivative work (only for distribution > > or support). And so long as you give out source code for the ENTIRE > > resulting work. MISCKIT, to me, seems clearly a superior way. > Incorrect. You can charge for the derivative work. However, you need to give source code (or provide the ability to get it) for the resulting work (except if it's compartmentalized as mentioned below). My read of it is...if you interweave source from GNU, you not ONLY have to give source out so that others can use it (so why would they bother buying from you if they have access to free source), but you cannot charge for anything other than distribution or support. And I quote Section2b of the GPL: " b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is _derived_ from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at _no_ charge to all third parties under the terms of this License." (Emphasis added) Now, also in the GPL, if you do compartmentalize gnu works, so that your app merely interacts with the gnu app (like NeXT does for example), you can still charge for your app...but that is a different situation, my concern is with the example of interweaving gnu source throughout your own programs... > You seem very hung up on the idea that you can't charge money for GNU software. That's just not so. Yes. Why? B/C, even if I didn't modify even a single line, and tried to sell John'sEmacs for $100bux, why would someone buy it unless it was substantially better than the GNU version which is free? I wouldn't... But if I did add significant additional functions to emacs, why can't I profit from it? What's so bad if I spent months/years working on it, why can't I keep the source to myself and make a buck. As it stands today, I just won't bother using GNU code to help me with, waste a lot of time re-inventing the wheel, and GNU still wont get any code for me. > You seem to be arguing that MiscKit is better in this regard, when the MiscKit license seems to strongly imply that if you're going to majorly modify MiscKit and distribute it, you need to talk to the administrator first (who will presumably try to get you to release your changes back to the MiscKit proper, and may or may not let you do it if you don't agree). Given that the MiscKit license does make a firm attempt to assert the rights of the administrator and the original authors, I suspect that most people interested in profit aren't going to be modifying MiscKit code due to potential legal problems. (For this, I suspect that something like Larry Wall's `Artistic License' would be nicer). Well, I'm not familiar with Larry Wall's license, though it sounds like something I would like to learn more about.... Regardless, I don't understand the MiscKit license to be that way... Any anyone please correct me if I'm wrong (Don in particular ;) But this is the way I understand the MiscKit licensing scheme... If you use ANY thing from the MiscKit, source or components, or classes or anything in your program, all you have to do is say "thanks" somewhere in your app to MiscKit. That's it. No more. You can charge for your app, and you don't have to release source. Also, I believe Don does ask that if you come up with a WHOLE NEW VARIANT TO THE ENTIRE MISCKIT, that you contact him about it... Meaning, you just cant take the ENTIRE MISCKIT COMPILATION, and make a competing entity to MiscKit. In the same way, you cannot take all GNU works, and make up a new licensing scheme for them. Now, the only limitation I see, by the MiscKit way of doing things is this. IF _YOU_ _DECIDE_ to donate something to MiscKit, once you donate it, you relinquish all control. You cannot at a later date say, MiscKit, don't use my donation. Or I change my mind. I.E. as I used to say in grade school (who'm I kidding, I still say it :) "no take backs" :) > > Well, if they could use GNU source freely, they could improve up on it > > (building on the shoulders of giants) and make money on their commercial > > products. > Please note that this statement assumes that the `giants' would have released their code if others could capitalize on their work. I think when have misdirected our references... When I refer to giants, I'm not talking about big companies, but rather the great GNU contributors, IMO, are software developing giants...like power hitters :) And the guy making a commercial app, can build off their expertise, saving time, and improving the entire quality of the software industry in general. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 04:17:27 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5739gn$d40@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > You seem very hung up on the idea that you can't charge money for GNU software. That's just not so. > Yes. Why? B/C, even if I didn't modify even a single line, and tried to sell John'sEmacs for $100bux, why would someone buy it unless it was substantially better than the GNU version which is free? I wouldn't... But if I did add significant additional functions to emacs, why can't I profit from it? What's so bad if I spent months/years working on it, why can't I keep the source to myself and make a buck. As it stands today, I just won't bother using GNU code to help me with [MAKING COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE]*. [AND BECAUSE OF THAT I]** waste a lot of time re-inventing the wheel, and GNU still wont get any code for me. * Aye, I'm dizzy in the head...when I re-read that, I could have swore it sounded right :) Too much time on usenet :) ** ibid. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: stefanos@Vir.com (Stefanos Kiakas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 21 Nov 1996 21:34:13 -0500 Organization: Hookup Montreal, Internet Access Montreal. Message-ID: <5733f5$vdg@Vir.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : decent one, to say the least. I suggest they ought to get paid for that : part of their life. And if they do get paid for programming, they cannot : use GNU stuff b/c of the GPL. So they have to re-invent the wheel, and : waste time, in the end, perhaps, building a lesser product. If GPL were : more like the MiscKit, they could use the code to help them during work... : And from that, they would save time, build a better product...AND...there : would be added benefits for the free software... After working with the Yes this is correct. How can we modify the license so that the person who develops the software is allowed to continue to get paid for it as he introduces new features. stef
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software From: vrotney@netcom.com (William Paul Vrotney) Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed In-Reply-To: Charles William Swiger's message of Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:59:26 GMT Sender: vrotney@netcom15.netcom.com In article <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > > One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data entry, > although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs from my > keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. And LaunchBar > lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications much faster than you > could do so browsing through /LocalApps. > I have an elisp hack that allows you to also launch Apps directly from Emacs with one key binding. I don't mean to put down LaunchBar (which I haven't tried yet), but most likely you can do all this from Emacs with even fewer keystrokes. This could be done probably pretty easily using the built in Emacs completion facility. -- William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:56:58 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> In article <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > > Incorrect. You can charge for the derivative work. However, you need to > > give source code (or provide the ability to get it) for the resulting work > > (except if it's compartmentalized as mentioned below). > My read of it is...if you interweave source from GNU, you not ONLY have to > give source out so that others can use it (so why would they bother buying > from you if they have access to free source), but you cannot charge for > anything other than distribution or support. What I think the original poster intended is that you can charge any amount you want to distribute it, not just the cost of distribution. Of course, the issue is that someone else can buy your distribution and then distribute that for free. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: blazek@clunix.cl.msu.edu (Rudolf B Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Date: 22 Nov 1996 07:52:06 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <573m36$jhl@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cm u.edu> Charles William Swiger (cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: : -snip- : One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data entry, : although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs from my : keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. And LaunchBar : lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications much faster than you : could do so browsing through /LocalApps. : -Chuck I use a NeXTstation color, so I dont' like to run any other applications than the ones I really need. Therefore I created a directory /AppsBySubject and a few subdirectories under it, like Graphics, Tools, LighthouseOffice etc. Then I have LINKED all my apps from all the places (NextApps, NextDeveloper, /LocalApps etc, etc) into the appropriate folders. If I need any less commonly used app, I can go to /AppsBySubject real fast since the folder is the first listed in / And it steals no RAM, no clock ticks ... Just a little painful to set-up. Just a thought Good luck to all. Rudy.
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 22 Nov 1996 01:27:08 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <572vhc$98r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data entry, > although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs from my > keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. And LaunchBar > lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications much faster than you > could do so browsing through /LocalApps. This very example I doubt; thanks to NEXTSTEP's ingenious GUI, if I put /LocalApps on the shelf, it takes me one click and one double-click to launch an app; (with me) certainly faster than typing in its name. But that's not my point, because certainly there ARE interactions with the computer that can be done faster by using the keyboard; of course I know that (although I dare to say that more than 50% of these cases are due to the fact that the GUI alternative is not designed well). My point is that if you in these cases prefer the keyboard, you do it because efficency is your utmost goal in work. Mine it is not. Mine is beauty. My problem with the shell is that I find it UGLY. I find it ugly to adapt to the machine to communicate efficiently with it. So I happily sacrifice a certain amount of efficiency for beauty (this applies not only to computers). I know that a lot of people don't. This is what I said I don't understand. Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Precompiled GhostScript 4.03? Date: 22 Nov 1996 13:50:53 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <574b3t$540@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <57291i$hbv@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Keywords: ghostscript In article <57291i$hbv@cnn.Princeton.EDU> tvz@Princeton.EDU (Timothy Van Zandt) writes: > Is there are precompiled version of gs 4.03 available out there > for black hardware? I am only interested in having a command > ps2pdf. The Package GSPrintFilter contains a pre-compiled gs-4.03. You can find it on ftp.next.peak.org somewhere. It's primary purpose is to support Non-Postscript printers via gs, but it does HAVE gs, if that's all you want. Be warned that ps2pdf doesn't work too well, as it doesn't preserve PS font information, and translates all fonts to bitmaps. The resulting PDF file is quite large. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 96 08:20:10 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov22082010@howard.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 22 Nov 1996 00:39:19 GMT In article <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: >shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: >>To tell the truth, in my experience most programmers rewrite lesser >>versions of existing packages just because they don't know any >>better. If they did know better, they would only have rewritten >>a _better_ version! > >Well, if they could use GNU source freely, they could improve up >on it (building on the shoulders of giants) and make money on their >commercial products. And maybe, release some improvements to the >general community as well...Maybe it's not going to happen ALL the >time, but right now, it NEVER happens, b/c commercial developers >don't use it. At this point I'm just going to jump ship. We apparently aren't debating in the same arena. What you appear to be arguing is that someone should be able to come along, and take some fine software written by people on the GNU project, add thirty lines of code to make it "super", and then sell it and make money on it. This, you argue, would be more of a boon to humanity than if they had to release their changes back into GNU, thus potentially benefitting anyone who ever uses this GNU piece of software. OK, let's grant that the author really is talented, top 2% talented, and really have the ability to improve, say, gawk. I would argue that anyone talented enough to improve gawk is also more than talented enough to modularize things such that they don't have to put their improvements into gawk proper. If it was a GUI front-end, for instance, they could easily enough make a "few" ("few" meaning "small part of the overall effort") modifications to gawk to do things like provide RPC hooks, and then their front-end could just call gawk through them. I'm not arguing that this would be trivial, but it certainly wouldn't be remotely as hard as rewriting gawk, in a greater or lesser form. Besides, as you probably gathered, I just can't buy the argument that there are many people out there who can make material improvements to useful GNU products. In many cases, we're not talking about improving a useless product into a great useful product, we're talking about improving a very useful and complete product into something better, which is a very tough thing to do. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:04:42 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: [The GNU was succesfull] > Well, let me be just a little pedantic here... I think GNU is great, and > successful, and a NET plus for humanity. I think what was written in the > manifesto, was proven, at least to a certain extent, wrong. In the > manifesto it talks about programmers not really needing to be paid, and > that they should just do it for free for the fun of it... > > Moreover, I think that the GPL would serve humanity better, if it adopted > an approach like the MiscKit. GPL prevents industry from using source and > technology...things get 'locked.' Two points here i like to address. Programmers need to be paid, I am not remembering the GNU manifesto in detail. So i am reading it now..... And i have to say, that the spirit written down in my copy of the GNU manifesto is exactly, what i remember and it proves you wrong. The question is raised (and answered): | "Don't programmers deserve a reward for their creativity?" And the answer is "yes"! So you are wrong, they should not do it for the fun of it. Another question, and the first lines of the answer: | "Won't programmers starve?" | | I could answer that nobody is forced to be a programmer. [...] | But that is the wrong answer because it accepts the questioner's |implicit assumption: that without ownership of software, programmers |cannot possibly be paid a cent. Supposedly it is all or nothing. | | The real reason programmers will not starve is that it will still |be possible for them to get paid for programming; just not paid as |much as now. [GPL is communistic] > Well, it's a loooooooooooose use of the word, to say the least. The > manifesto of course seems pretty communistic, in that it just deems > programmers don't need to be paid...they should just enjoy doing the work > for free (for the state?). That all programs and source should not belong > to anyone person, but to everyone. That the idea of intellectual property, > is somehow inherently bad. We should talk about advantages and disadvantages, and you are raising different emotions with this word. (On the other end, you "heated" the discussion this way... (; ) But i will quote my GNU manifesto here: | "Don't people have a right to control how their creativity is | used?" | | "Control over the use of one's ideas" really constitutes control |over other people's lives; and it is usually used to make their |lives more difficult. | | People who have studied the issue of intellectual property rights |carefully (such as lawyers) say that there is no intrinsic right to |intellectual property. The kinds of supposed intellectual property |rights that the government recognizes were created by specific acts |of legislation for specific purposes. And there is another important difference between GNU and "communistic thinking": Nobody is forced to join the GNU projects. But!! the GNU project is quite successful! >> Programmers have to be paid, that is sure. But do they have to get paid > for their work or for their luck of having the monopol? > > Monopoly, is not only legal...but I'd argue it's a necessary evil that is a > net plus for humanity. Why should I bother working 20years of my life > figuring out how to make a light bulb, if two minutes after I make it > someone will take all my hard work and make one competing against me. Why > would I ever invest in research if I could never recoup my investment. On > the other hand, a monopoly forever would be bad. Somewhere in the middle, > lies the greatest utility for humanity... 17years is not too bad a > middle... You are right about that, we got to "pay" people, who do great things enough to have a save living. But that is with the GNU manifesto. And "forever" is relativ. Forever would be a year in terms of how the computers are developing. > Well, the MiscKit prevents companies from locking things away, yet allows > EVERYONE, not only to use the work, but also to make a living (and gasp, > even profit from it :). IMO people are earning money with the work of other people, the computer business is not a very fair game in this aspects. >> What about selling support and other things with free software? Knowledge > and installation support is what keeps the people from using their > computers in an efficient way. A free software plays a key role for > standards and competition. > > Selling support is fine...for support people, et. al. But the actually > developers/programmers deserve a profit as well (IMO). There should be a way, how programmers are getting paid for makeing GNU GPL Software. Something like an non profit organisation. There are some examples for "real freeware". It got abused by a few people in German, they simply sold it with very, very slight differences and got rich. This is swindling from my moral point of view. So the GNU GPL is trying to lay down rules so that abuse can be prohibed. Software firms have to rethink, and change maybe, before they can use this software. BUT THEY always CAN, and they have all source code available! So nothing is locked away. IMO: The software branch has some very unfair practices adoped. The GNU manifest/GPL is trying to catch a certain spirit here, which i think is the right one. And it is build upon competition in the right way. The change will be slowly and not with pressure or revolution. Socity will benefit. IMO:The MiscKit license also works. (there are other examples) But better? I do not know. The author of the GNU manifesto had long term developlemts in mind. And his arguments are better. Bernhard Reiter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMpWucxFKNN1LD7H9AQEbiwQAlPKOhVJXReG+1upZHapFUwQjzMLG4G5f 8iGBYJmPN2ToDrwHsb9adkMi85xKUqfnx6X1/D31jjTmXEg8elbucfGQpYPu0fa5 L5ideRnzVGvLTaJeAmN1m25uuWxXdw54WPy1X6aZNVjxjO5Y3BTtnXjx/OmQi8s5 XdP5Kp34AVA= =ve1o -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect problem Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:27:57 GMT Message-ID: <574d9d$7m8@news0-alterdial.uu.net> References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> In article <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> cchris@chum.hooked.net (Chris Christensen) writes: > Greetings, > > I have WordPerfect v. 1.01 on my NeXT station. Whenever I > underline a word the word is replaced with "^A". Whenever I bold a word it > is replaced with "1". The other functions seem to work fine. Is this a > bug? > > Thanks, > Chris <cchris@hooked.net> I have similar symptoms after upgrading from 2.1 to 3.3. The only way to get bold fonts is to actually go to the font selection panel and set a bold font. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Bill Lee
From: randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect problem Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:38:35 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <574dtb$lfe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> In-Reply-To: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> On 11/18/96, Chris Christensen wrote: >Greetings, > > I have WordPerfect v. 1.01 on my NeXT station. Whenever I >underline a word the word is replaced with "^A". Whenever I bold a word it >is replaced with "1". The other functions seem to work fine. Is this a >bug? > >Thanks, >Chris <cchris@hooked.net> > I have Version 1.01, dated March 18, 1984. I seem to recall having the problem you identify, but with an earlier version. What is the date on yours? Randy -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 96 08:30:11 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 22 Nov 1996 00:09:17 GMT In article <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: >NeXT licenses modified GNU software with NS/OS for a fee. But >source must be distributed which NeXT does. So NeXT just uses the GNU compiler to interact with the products they DO charge for...InterfaceBuilder, ProjectBuilder, etc... They charge (and a hefty amount too) several THOUSAND dollars for NeXTSTEP developer... Would you pay several thousand dollars for a CD with just emacs on it when you can get it for free anywhere on the Net? I thought I could stop myself, but ... Isn't this a counterexample to your entire argument? An example has been provided of someone who's selling their package which uses GNU software for thousands of dollars. GNU has no problems with this (they just wish NeXT would release their modified source in a timely fashion), NeXT has no problem with this (they just wish people were willing to buy more copies). Of _course_ nobody is going to pay thousands of dollars for a CD with just emacs on it. That's sort of the point. And if you could get someone to pay it, wouldn't that be pretty nasty, considering that you didn't do jack to earn the money? It would be unfair to both the purchasing party _and_ the hundreds/thousands of people who have contributed to emacs' development over the years/decades. The only person helped would be the person who pocketed the thousands of dollars. Again, if you add _material_ improvements to a piece of GNU, you should have no problems selling the result. Anyone who can materially improve a piece of GNU software should have a comparitively easy time of putting together a distribution which conforms to the GPL while still protecting their portion of the code. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: don@misckit.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 15:25:37 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <574glh$ors@news.xmission.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> I've been following this thread with interest. I do NOT want to even touch the GNU vs. MiscKit that's going on here...but I would like to make a quick clarification. John basically got it right, but it might help if I restate it. Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > [...] the > MiscKit license seems to strongly imply that if you're going to > majorly modify MiscKit and distribute it, you need to talk to the > administrator first (who will presumably try to get you to release > your changes back to the MiscKit proper, and may or may not let you do > it if you don't agree). Given that the MiscKit license does make a > firm attempt to assert the rights of the administrator and the > original authors, I suspect that most people interested in profit > aren't going to be modifying MiscKit code due to potential legal > problems. (For this, I suspect that something like Larry Wall's > `Artistic License' would be nicer). Actually, that part of the license only applies to someone who plans to redistribute the modified MiscKit code in _source_ form. Of course, no matter _how_ they release a modified source release, there's not much keeping us from taking their additions and folding them into the kit anyway, if you look at the way the rights are structured. Once the changes are out there, they are basically fair game, since the original authors have still kept all their rights. The only thing we can't assimilate that way is _new_ objects, categories, etc. If using modified binaries, they can to WHATEVER they want. They can make major enhancements, distribute the product to the world, and never return the changes to the kit if that is what they want to do. The ONLY requirement that exists for an app to use the MiscKit is to put a note in the Help or Info panel. (Take a look at Maple--it is in there (!) ) In practice, it seems that actually a lot of the enhancements people make are sent back to us anyway--even ones made for MCCAs--and that is very much appreciated. But it is by no means mandatory. [Aside: one reason these come back that hasn't been brought up before: if you make a change to the source but also want to keep up with new kit releases, then you must prepare diffs and re-patch the kit every time a new release comes out. It is a lot easier to have me patch the kit and send the changes out with all future releases. This is a convenience factor that seems to be at least as strong as the previously mentioned "guilt" factor.] I should also point out that most commercial users aren't at all interested in distributing the MiscKit source, so this whole point of discussion doesn't even apply to them. The only one to actually distribute the kit is Andy Stone on the Stone CD, and that's the standard release; he hasn't modified a thing. (Well, if he did, the modifications have been added to the kit by me. Andy's been a great supporter and friend. :-) ) This restriction on source redistribution is mainly to avoid confusion. What we hoped to prevent was to have the kit break into multiple divergent source trees. Sort of the idea of creating a "trusted" or "authoritative" release. So far it seems to have served that purpose. As far as I know, there isn't any public source release out there that I haven't prepared myself. I( have no idea how many apps use the binaries, but I know that it is more than many people would have suspected! I've had more than one commercial outfit call me to verify this point...it is there in black and white, but they can't believe it is true, so they call and ask. They always want to know what the catch is. And I always tell them the same thing: there IS no catch--just use the kit! It exists to aid programmers, so let it! :-) I hope that adequately clears up this question... To add a little more to John's response: > Meaning, you just cant take the ENTIRE MISCKIT COMPILATION, and > make a competing entity to MiscKit. In the same way, you cannot > take all GNU works, and make up a new licensing scheme for them. And, fact is, it isn't so much the "competing entity" thing that I'm worried about. If someone wants to, my only comment is: you have NO idea what you're getting yourself into. Try it and you'll find out. :-) As I noted above, my concern is the confusion that could be caused by multiple source trees; I want to keep things as simple as possible for poeple using the kit. > Now, the only limitation I see, by the MiscKit way of doing things > is this. IF _YOU_ _DECIDE_ to donate something to MiscKit, once > you donate it, you relinquish all control. You cannot at a later > date say, MiscKit, don't use my donation. Or I change my mind. > I.E. as I used to say in grade school (who'm I kidding, I still > say it :) "no take backs" :) The only control lost is the ability to have a submission removed from the kit. The reason we had to do this is because authors still retain all the _other_ rights. And we didn't want a situation where someone puts something into the kit and then waits until everyone is relying upon that object, at which point they revoke the submission and offer to sell it to those who want it. If that were possible to do, no one would trust the MiscKit to be around and it wouldn't have been so widely accepted. But my main concern here was to leave authors with as many rights as possible and still have a successful project. One thing an author can still do, for example, is create an enhanced version of their MiscKit submission and sell it. They still own their code, so this is perfectly acceptable. No one has tried it, as far as I know, but it is a reasonable approach. [I myself have enhancements to the kit I'll never be able to release because of contract restrictions from some previous jobs. Of course, the whole MiscMergeKit is one toy that a client encouraged me to release, so it all depends upon the client...] In closing, that was way too long. Sorry folks, I just can't ever shut up soon enough. :-) Anyway, I'm taking off for a week's vacation starting in a few hours. I won't see any follow ups in the news groups, so if you have specific questions, please e-mail me. Tell me if you want the answer via email or USENET and I'll answer them all when I return. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OpenStep/Mach 4.2 Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E1A0HC.4Cu@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:34:23 GMT References: <573116$mku@flood.xnet.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <573116$mku@flood.xnet.com>, Albert Chin-A-Young <china@xnet.com> wrote: >From the recent CERT advisory on sendmail: >>NeXT Software, Inc. >>=================== >>NeXT is not vulnerable to the problem described in Section IV.A. >>NeXT is vulnerable to the problem described in Section IV.B, and it >>will be fixed in release 4.2 of OpenStep/Mach. > >Dunno when but it looks like there will be a 4.2. > Someone in the UK said NeXT said there would be about 3 releases of OS/Mach per year, $1200/release upgrade cost (commercial). However, you could get a yearly maintenance contract, which includes upgrades, for $1500. No academic upgrade prices, apparently, making the cost of staying current $1200/year for academics. All prices $US. Rumour factor: 0.8. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Faxing with USR Sportster modem and Cube Message-ID: <1996Nov22.154821.616@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Organization: Disorganization Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:48:21 GMT I have a 040 cube and would like to know if there is any SW available to use my USR Sportster 33.6 modem. Thanks, Thomas -- ----- Thomas Funke ----------------------- thomas@gamelan.shnet.org ----- C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: save@grocery.com Date: 22 Nov 1996 12:06:27 EST Control: cancel <574c9u$oc@ns1.autonet.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <574c9u$oc@ns1.autonet.net> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.574c9u$oc@ns1.autonet.net> Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Save 80% On Your Grocery Bills!!!
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect problem Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:50:40 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122084857.20384B-100000@kira> References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Chris Christensen <cchris@hooked.net> In-Reply-To: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > I have WordPerfect v. 1.01 on my NeXT station. Whenever I > underline a word the word is replaced with "^A". Whenever I bold a word it > is replaced with "1". The other functions seem to work fine. Is this a > bug? I daresay it ain't a feature. Did this just start happening? Does it happen with all fonts or just some? I've got 1.01. dated 10 June 1993 here, is that the same as yours? TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Graphical IRC client for NextStep? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:52:24 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122085158.20384C-100000@kira> References: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961115153553.7102C-100000@pollux> <572bas$fho@inet-prime.comshare.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: alanf@izzy.net cc: kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de In-Reply-To: <572bas$fho@inet-prime.comshare.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com don't know if this is the newest version, but: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/misc/Encircle.0.11.NIHS.b.tar.gz TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:09:46 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122090603.20384D-100000@kira> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be><570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data entry, > although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs from my > keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. And LaunchBar > lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications much faster than you > could do so browsing through /LocalApps. Especially once /LocalApps starts to get so cluttered with apps that you have to break it into subdirectories (which some apps won't let you do because they HAVE to be in /LocalApps or ~/Apps) LaunchBar came out at just the right time. I used to have 4 subdirs in /LocalApps, but since going to 3.3 I hadn't put them all back in. Now I can get at them without even needing to bother splitting them up. I really have to learn Emacs one day..... anyone have a "Emacs for Dummies" reference out there? The key combinations have been what always stopped me from getting a hang of it before... TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:18:17 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122091136.20384E-100000@kira> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be><570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: William Paul Vrotney <vrotney@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > I have an elisp hack that allows you to also launch Apps directly from Emacs > with one key binding. I don't mean to put down LaunchBar (which I haven't > tried yet), but most likely you can do all this from Emacs with even fewer > keystrokes. This could be done probably pretty easily using the built in > Emacs completion facility. well, not to start a debate about how much easier one NeXTStep app makes something compared to another NeXTstep app (since we know it's still a lot easier than other OSes), I'd have to say I doubt Emacs (which I haven't learned yet, still trying to figure out all those key combinations) could do this as easily as LaunchBar. I had LaunchBar downloaded and setup in 20 minutes. Emacs took about 7 hrs to download (no joke, through a 14.4 modem.... and then I realized I should have gotten the SOURCE not the precompiled, since I was using 3.2 at the time) and has a much higher up-time to get it going. LaunchBar was "plug and play" if you will, plus having it running has no noticeable impact on my machine or hard drive (it's like .2 megs, compared to Emacs which is what 12 or so?) This of course is not to say that there isn't a way to do this in Emacs. But I don't know how it couldn't possibly be easier (or even as easy ) as LaunchBar, since you can activate it with command-space, type a few letters, and hit return. Use it, love it, recommend it. TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:19:51 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122091840.20384F-100000@kira> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cm <573m36$jhl@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Rudolf B Blazek <blazek@clunix.cl.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <573m36$jhl@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > I use a NeXTstation color, so I dont' like to run any other applications than > the ones I really need. well, I've got a NeXTstation non-turbo (mono) and I would hazard to say that I bet you wouldn't even notice LaunchBar was running... Dunno, just a guess... TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Browsing Woes Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:23:21 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122092045.20384G-100000@kira> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de><Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> <kmZA6VO00UzxA2A5Uy@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <kmZA6VO00UzxA2A5Uy@andrew.cmu.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 21-Nov-96 Re: Web Browsing > Woes by Timothy Luoma@peak.org > >> Sure. Use Netsurfer 2.0 > >> > >> [You asked for it ... ] > > > > yeah, sure, if you don't mind getting kernel protection faults every few > > minutes. > > I've never noticed a correlation between Netsurfer and system panics. :-) true true.... try running it on a Windows machine though, and I'll bet you get a kernel protection fault. TjL ps to those who might not have seen my earlier followup in this thread: when I was talking about kernel protection faults I was thinking about NetScape and Windows. I mis-read the post as saying that instead of using OmniWeb and NeXTStep they should be using NetScape (not Netsurfer, which is a fine program and has no tendency whatsoever to cause system panics).
From: Lars Immisch <lars@ibp.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Adding fonts to Next packages (Frame, Edit or OpenWrite ) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:26:28 +0100 Organization: Immisch, Becker & Partner Message-ID: <3295A9B1.70BD@ibp.de> References: <572tia$7hp@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Wayne Patton wrote: > > I put some Cryllic Fonts in the folder where all the other > fonts reside, but none of the above applications will > recognize them. Is there a way to use these fonts on > any Nextstep application ( NS 3.2, Nextstation ) I think you are looking for buildafmdir. apropos font should get you started anyway. Lars
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 20:52:26 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > I thought I could stop myself, but ... I'm like a potato chip :) > Isn't this a counterexample to your entire argument? An example has been provided of someone who's selling their package which uses GNU software for thousands of dollars. GNU has no problems with this (they just wish NeXT would release their modified source in a timely fashion), NeXT has no problem with this (they just wish people were willing to buy more copies). I think we are REALLY missing each others point...sometimes usenet is really like two ships passing in the night (sans the romance :). NeXT isn't interweaving GNU code into say InterfaceBuilder of ProjectBuilder... They are just including GNU apps on their distribution (with some NeXT specific mods). But they don't make money on the GNU apps, no one buys NeXTSTEP developer to use the NeXT mod'd compiler... Especially considering, that if I wanted to, I can take the NeXT mod'd compiler off the NEXTSTEP developer CD, and copy it on the web for all to use. What they make money on are there tools with NO GNU source interwoven into it... Now I bet they could have benefited by using some GNU source code, interwoven into InterfaceBuilder or ProjectBuilder...but they'd never do so, b/c it would then inject those products with the GPL2b virus... They don't want me putting IB, PB or their libraries up on the web for free... > Of _course_ nobody is going to pay thousands of dollars for a CD with just emacs on it. That's sort of the point. And if you could get someone to pay it, wouldn't that be pretty nasty, considering that you didn't do jack to earn the money? It would be unfair to both the purchasing party _and_ the hundreds/thousands of people who have contributed to emacs' development over the years/decades. The only person helped would be the person who pocketed the thousands of dollars. But if that app itself points out there is a free version of itself from which it's derived, WHEN and WHY would anyone buy it so that unfair version would occur... I think it's unfair ONLY to the purchaser, not the contributors, who I always thought donated it with philanthropy in mind... I mean, I'm sure they are happy if someone uses emacs to make a million dollars...I don't think they'd say, hey if you didn't have emacs, you wouldn't make a million, so we want some of that money... In the same way, if you can convince people to pay a million bux for your mod'd emacs, them knowing a free version exists...they should be just as happy for you... Personally, I don't see the difference... Philanthropy, to me, is supposed to be unselfish... > Again, if you add _material_ improvements to a piece of GNU, you should have no problems selling the result. Anyone who can materially improve a piece of GNU software should have a comparatively easy time of putting together a distribution which conforms to the GPL while still protecting their portion of the code. If they do it via libraries... but if they interweave GNU source, they cannot benefit commercially because GPL2b injects their work like a virus... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:04:02 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122092430.20384H-100000@kira> References: <19961122002000.TAA19020@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: bnd00796@aol.com In-Reply-To: <19961122002000.TAA19020@ladder01.news.aol.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com welcome to the NeXTWorld. We are alive, despite all reports. Your questions can be answered, be patient, grasshopper, the road to enlightenment is a winding path, not the autobahn. Take a deep cleansing breath, clear your mind of all things DOS, and release..... > Having just purchased a NeXTmonostation for quite a cheap price, I am > now fully jumping into the NeXT Realm. Coming from the Macintosh world, I > am used to being "spoon fed" in terms of having everything very easy to > use. From what I can see, the NeXTStep software is easy as well, except I > have a few BASIC BASIC questions that hopefully won't be having too many > people roll their eyes (incidentally I have read the FAQ...which seems a > bit dated since it says a company out there still sells NeXT mousepads & > T-shirts and when I called them they told me that haven't sold them for 3 > years). You can download the newest copy of the FAQ from: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/mailserver/next-faq.txt or http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/mailserver/next-faq.txt.gz or ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/documents/nextstep_faq/NeXT_FAQ.gz (It's the same file, just different formats Basic questions won't get eyes rolling. Crossposting will (at least from me). We've all got to start somewhere. > ANYWAY, I was wondering WHERE do I find the NeXT Version of > gunzip and gnutar.tar.z??? I seem to be finding plenty of versions for > UNIX in general, but nothing NeXT-Specific. IS there one, or do I have to > somehow make use of the UNIX shell (GOD I hope not) to do it. you are looking for "gzip" and "gunzip". look for: /usr/bin/gzip /usr/bin/gnutar these are the "NeXT versions" you speak of. However, they are best used to unpack this : ftp://eclipse.its.rpi.edu/NeXT/utils/Opener_f/Opener-3.3-N.tar.gz use the UNIX shell once, to unpack that file. gzip -d Opener-3.3-N.tar.gz gnutar xvf Opener-3.3-N.tar note: gzip -d is the same as "gunzip" then move Opener.app to /LocalApps.... you might even want to put it on your shelf. In the Workspace, go to "Viewers/Update Viewers" and select it (this will register Opener.app, telling it to open files which end with .tar, tar.gz, gz, etc). A lot easier than registering extensions by hand! > Second question, what the HECK is the final say on the NeXT Modem > Cable. DO I really have to shell out $30 or so for a "BLACK" cable? And > what is the difference between RS-232 & RS-423 ports? And I keep reading > about these expensive modems that I need to purchase. Isn't there some > kind of CHEAP 14.4 modem as long as I have the right cable? get the right cable. Contact tim@dancingbear.com and see if they have any. Most modems will work, I think, if you have the right cable. Shell out the money for the right piece of equipment. It's the right thing to do > Third Question, I try to run two programs off of my hard drive > "PhoneManager" and something else that starts with "Phone." When I do so > it says "unable to run program -- it is damaged" or something to that > effect. Does this mean they are thrashed? Should I go ahead and recycle > them??? Unfortunately, I do not have the original 3.2 install disks (the > computer came with a 3.0 CD ROM..and of course I don't have a CD ROM > drive..hehe). You might want to get one. If I understand you, the computer has 3.2 installed and you have a 3.0 CD-ROM. The "Phone" program probably complained about a bad executable or shared library. This is because the shared library changed from 3.0 and 3.2 and the Phone part was not supported after 3.0. As an aside: don't trash it, you can use it via some trickery one day later on down the path.... > Incidentally, are there defrag and disk repair programs > available for Hard Disks on the NeXT? I read someone's post that "NeXT > isn't subject to these types of problems." What does NeXT use > indestructable Hard Disks (The Quantum in mine looks no different than any > other hard disk that I've seen). Ordinary hard drive, extraordinary Operating System. NeXTStep (and indeed all UNIX I believe) doesn't defrag like DOS machines do. Disk repair is handled by "fsck" (which is UNIXeese for "file system checker" -- you do know they name UNIX commands, right? Take out all the spaces and vowels, and then shorten to 2-4 letters) 99% of the time disk repair, when needed, will be automatically uring the boot cycle. > Sorry if I seem frustrated and cynical, the marks of a DOS/MAC user.... ;-) > but I can't really find any "up-to-date" information on the Net. I > realize that NeXT is no longer making computers, but I really need to > get support for it. I am beginning to think that "showing up to the > party late" was not such a good idea. don't fret. You have come to the right place. May I suggest taking a quick look at out FTP site: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next grab the free web browser: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5/OmniWeb.2.1.5.N.tar.gz and head to: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next ( my web page ) > Come on folks, Convert me to NeXT! :) Knowledge, like faith, is not a parcel which can be merely handed from one person to another.... At best we can share what we know with others and hopes that they too will develop the tools necessary to live, but at a certain point all we can do is lead you to water, you must decide to drink or not... Waxing metaphorical, TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:07:30 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122100641.20384J-100000@kira> References: <19961122002000.TAA19020@ladder01.news.aol.com> <572voc$n10@nntp1.best.com> <5730v2$avi@majipoor.cygnus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5730v2$avi@majipoor.cygnus.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > Specifically, they're in /usr/bin on NS3.3.. and probably OS4.0. > I think under NS3.2 they were somewhere else (/usr/gnu/bin? or > /usr/local/bin?) they are also in 3.2 in /usr/bin, at least on my CDs! TjL ps: gnutar and gzip, that is
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:07:20 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0mZTbcq00UzxM2_g54@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 22-Nov-96 Re: LaunchBar by Norbert He.. by William Paul Vrotney@net > I have an elisp hack that allows you to also launch Apps directly from Emacs > with one key binding. I don't mean to put down LaunchBar (which I haven't > tried yet), but most likely you can do all this from Emacs with even fewer > keystrokes. This could be done probably pretty easily using the built in > Emacs completion facility. Surely. Someone wrote a nice zsh hack which lets you do TAB-completion for applications in LocalApps (including running 'Foo.app/Foo'). The fact that such ideas work and are used indicates that some people do find it easier to use the keyboard for tasks that other people would do via the mouse.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 20:41:19 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57535f$hak@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <574glh$ors@news.xmission.com> don@misckit.com wrote: > This restriction on source redistribution is mainly to avoid confusion. What we hoped to prevent was to have the kit break into multiple divergent source trees. Sort of the idea of creating a "trusted" or "authoritative" release. So far it seems to have served that purpose. As far as I know, there isn't any public source release out there that I haven't prepared myself. I( have no idea how many apps use the binaries, but I know that it is more than many people would have suspected! Just a point I want to make clear...for myself :)... Although there is a restriction on source redistribution (just like all roads must lead to Rome, all mod'd source ought to lead to the official MiscKit folks..)... There is no restriction of ME PERSONALLY taking MiscKit source, modifying it for my personal/commercial use... Right, I can do that as long as I put, THANKS MISCKIT, in the help panel...and I don't even have to send you my mods, as long as I don't redistribute it, right? > The only control lost is the ability to have a submission removed from the kit. The reason we had to do this is because authors still retain all the _other_ rights. And we didn't want a situation where someone puts something into the kit and then waits until everyone is relying upon that object, at which point they revoke the submission and offer to sell it to those who want it. If that were possible to do, no one would trust the MiscKit to be around and it wouldn't have been so widely accepted. But my main concern here was to leave authors with as many rights as possible and still have a successful project. That's, at least, what I was trying to say :) ... In essence you loose the rights to commercialize and already donated work. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:14:02 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4mZVSOK00Uzx02_e1V@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <572vhc$98r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> In-Reply-To: <572vhc$98r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 22-Nov-96 Re: LaunchBar by Norbert He.. by Uli Zappe@tallowcross.un > > One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data entry, > > although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs from my > > keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. And LaunchBar > > lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications much faster than you > > could do so browsing through /LocalApps. > > This very example I doubt; thanks to NEXTSTEP's ingenious GUI, if I put > /LocalApps on the shelf, it takes me one click and one double-click to launch > an app; (with me) certainly faster than typing in its name. I can only conclude that you don't have many apps in LocalApps. :-) For me, I have to scroll around to find things. That takes lots of time and is slightly distracting. > But that's not my point, because certainly there ARE interactions with the > computer that can be done faster by using the keyboard; of course I know that > (although I dare to say that more than 50% of these cases are due to the fact > that the GUI alternative is not designed well). There's a simpler explanation. You can input a lot more information via a keyboard over a given time period than you can with a mouse. Consider writing text-- I highly doubt that you can come up with a GUI interface that's better than using the keyboard. Writing text is one of the most common activities that one can do on a computer. > My point is that if you in these cases prefer the keyboard, you do it > because efficency is your utmost goal in work. No. I do prefer the keyboard when it is more efficient, but it's not because efficiency is my "utmost goal". I also prefer it because it's more appropriate and significantly easier to use for some tasks. > Mine it is not. Mine is beauty. My problem with the shell is that I find > it UGLY. I find it ugly to adapt to the machine to communicate > efficiently with it. I don't regard learning to use a significant aspect of a computer's environment to be ugly, but you are welcome to your opinions. :-) > So I happily sacrifice a certain amount of efficiency for beauty (this > applies not only to computers). I know that a lot of people don't. This is > what I said I don't understand. You aren't just sacrificing efficiency, you sacrifice functionality. For example, NeXT's File Viewer is by far the best designed file browser that I've ever had the pleasure of using. And yet, I often find 'ls' to be more useful-- consider 'ls -l', 'ls -ltr', 'ls -1 *.c | wc -l', or the many other useful things that can be done.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:31:58 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <EmZVjCO00UzxE2_eVk@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cm <573m36$jhl@msunews.cl.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <573m36$jhl@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 22-Nov-96 Re: LaunchBar by Norbert He.. by Rudolf B Blazek@clunix.c > I use a NeXTstation color, so I dont' like to run any other applications than > the ones I really need. I remember using my old non-Turbo mono slab at 8 MB, and I definely recall being enthusiastic about quitting apps when I stopped using them. :-) Getting more memory helps amazingly. I bit the bullet and brought two 32MB SIMMS for my new machine (a mono Turbo slab) to bring it from 32 MB to 80 MB. That is more than sufficient memory for everything I do, and it's pretty cool to never notice or care how many apps and documents you have open. NEXTSTEP's app-interoperability really shines through when you've got everything already running-- ImageViewer, Webster, Edit, a web browser, etc... > Therefore I created a directory /AppsBySubject and a few subdirectories > under it, like Graphics, Tools, LighthouseOffice etc. Yeah-- that works pretty well. But you have to do it with links from /LocalApps since a few apps refuse to work correctly when they are put elsewhere. [ Sloppy. Bad developers. :-) ] -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 11:31:26 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qd682y0vw1.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <574glh$ors@news.xmission.com> don@misckit.com writes: > Actually, that part of the license only applies to someone who > plans to redistribute the modified MiscKit code in _source_ form. > [...] > If using modified binaries, they can to WHATEVER they want. They > can make major enhancements, distribute the product to the world, > and never return the changes to the kit if that is what they want > to do. The ONLY requirement that exists for an app to use the > MiscKit is to put a note in the Help or Info panel. Thanks for the clarification, Don. I was going directly from the license itself (not the notes, which I wasn't convinced were legally binding), which doesn't seem to make a distinction between a `source' distribution and a `binary' distribution at all. The part of the license I was referencing had the phrase "The MiscKit administrator's permission must be obtained for...distributing a modified version of the MiscKit", which I felt was sufficiently vague as to be open for interpretation. But since you're the guy who gets to do the interpretation... :-) -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Adding fonts to Next packages (Frame, Edit or OpenWrite ) Message-ID: <E1A8By.8G@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <572tia$7hp@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:23:58 GMT In article <572tia$7hp@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: > I put some Cryllic Fonts in the folder where all the other > fonts reside, but none of the above applications will > recognize them. Is there a way to use these fonts on > any Nextstep application ( NS 3.2, Nextstation ) > RTFM! "apropos font" turns up with (amongst others): buildafmdir (1) - builds font index information -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:04:12 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8mZUQwm00UzxM2_foJ@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be><570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122090603.20384D-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122090603.20384D-100000@kira> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 22-Nov-96 Re: LaunchBar by Norbert He.. by Timothy Luoma@peak.org > I really have to learn Emacs one day..... anyone have a "Emacs for > Dummies" reference out there? The key combinations have been what always > stopped me from getting a hang of it before... The GNU Emacs book from the FSF is pretty good and I think it came with a one-page quick reference. Furthermore, the online tutorial (C-h t) is well done and worth sitting through when learning emacs. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: stan@netcom.com (Stanley Perkins) Subject: Re: WordPerfect problem Message-ID: <stanE1Auo5.CM4@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> <574d9d$7m8@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 01:26:29 GMT Sender: stan@netcom2.netcom.com BillLee@cleaf.com (Bill Lee) writes: >In article <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> cchris@chum.hooked.net (Chris >Christensen) writes: >> Greetings, >> >> I have WordPerfect v. 1.01 on my NeXT station. Whenever I >> underline a word the word is replaced with "^A". Whenever I bold a word >it >> is replaced with "1". The other functions seem to work fine. Is this a >> bug? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris <cchris@hooked.net> >I have similar symptoms after upgrading from 2.1 to 3.3. The only way to >get bold fonts is to actually go to the font selection panel and set a >bold font. >Any help is appreciated. >Regards, >Bill Lee If I recall correctly, WordPerfect had a "maintenance upgrade" for the NeXT version of WP (I don't recall the version number, though!) that addressed this very incompatibility with NS 3.3. It's actually the *last* version of Word Perfect that they put out for the NeXT before abandoning it. Regards, Stan -- ---------------------------------- | Stan Perkins | ASMG, Inc. | | stan@netcom.com | 619-490-9074 | ----------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 22 Nov 1996 22:47:47 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) wrote: John Kheit (thats me :) wrote this double >> stuff: > > manifesto, was proven, at least to a certain extent, wrong. In the > > manifesto it talks about programmers not really needing to be paid, and > > that they should just do it for free for the fun of it... > And i have to say, that the spirit written down in my copy of the GNU manifesto is exactly, what i remember and it proves you wrong. I guess all I can say is...people can interpret the same thing differently... B/C you see it differently, doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong or vice versa. But to make my case I will put up examples/excerpts from the manifesto, that show a dislike for commercial entities, and the charging of money for software...Things that tend to say, as a programmer, just programming should be reward enough...without money...quotes from the manifesto at www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html: "Software sellers want to divide the users and conquer them, making each user agree not to share with others" Seems to imply that people that sell software, are kinda the enemy... "I refuse to break solidarity with other users in this way." Statements like the above, and people wonder why I call it communist like :) "That is to say, proprietary modifications will not be allowed. I want to make sure that all versions of GNU remain free." So I cannot interweave GNU source into my app and charge... "'Don't programmers deserve a reward for their creativity?' If anything deserves a reward, it is social contribution. Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results. If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they restrict the use of these programs." RATHER than simply say YES THEY DO...he talks about his notions of reward and punishment in light of society. Which is fine for his personal beliefs... But some programmers/people actually think MONEY is a good reward for creativity. "'Shouldn't a programmer be able to ask for a reward for his creativity?' There is nothing wrong with wanting pay for work, or seeking to maximize one's income, as long as one does not use means that are destructive. But the means customary in the field of software today are based on destruction." Again, rather than say YES THEY DO... He makes all kinds of qualifications...(MIGHT ADD, this is the latest most cleaned up version of the manifesto, earlier versions were much more blatant) "'Won't programmers starve?' I could answer that nobody is forced to be a programmer. Most of us cannot manage to get any money for standing on the street and making faces. But we are not, as a result, condemned to spend our lives standing on the street making faces, and starving. We do something else." Great answer huh! But my family is starving...well, he decided programmers really don't need to be paid, so no one is forcing you to be a programmer, so why don't you just go get a job at McDonalds... Yea, I must have been nuts to interpret it the way I do! "But that is the wrong answer because it accepts the questioner's implicit assumption: that without ownership of software, programmers cannot possibly be paid a cent. Supposedly it is all or nothing." So to counter, he makes an implicit assumption that without ownership of software, programmers CAN get paid. Maybe sometimes they can...BUT IN THE REAL WORLD, BY AND LARGE THEY CANNOT. Moreover, this express hostility to OWNERSHIP of INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, seems kinda communist like to me... "The real reason programmers will not starve is that it will still be possible for them to get paid for programming; just not paid as much as now." Wow, nice of him to be a driving force to lower salaries for programmers. I guess he doesn't feel they deserve it. I'd say he has a pretty blatant hostility to commercial endeavors period. "Restricting copying is not the only basis for business in software. It is the most common basis because it brings in the most money. If it were prohibited, or rejected by the customer, software business would move to other bases of organization which are now used less often. There are always numerous ways to organize any kind of business." And you can see this hostility towards commercial endeavors, where here, he proposes to pretty much restructure the computer software industry, more to his liking...Probably one of minimum revenue generation, where all software is practically fee, where only enough money can be generated to supply the programmers with bread and water...just enough to keep them alive long enough to code more free software... "Probably programming will not be as lucrative on the new basis as it is now. But that is not an argument against the change. It is not considered an injustice that sales clerks make the salaries that they now do. If programmers made the same, that would not be an injustice either. (In practice they would still make considerably more than that.)" YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME (I knew there was a reason I didn't read this crap for a long time, it makes me nutz!) So one, it's an evil to make as much money as you can when you make something... So if I make a toaster, and I try to maximize my profit I'm scum... If I make an app, and try to maximize my profit I'm scum... Seems like the whole notion of capitalism is abhorrent to him. He decided, in his infinite wisdom, that it's ok for programmers not to make as much money. That after going through 4years of college or more, it's ok if they get paid as little as a teller in McDonalds. He decided for all of us what is just or not... "'Don't people have a right to control how their creativity is used?' 'Control over the use of one's ideas' really constitutes control over other people's lives; and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult." The creativity is not an idea. See, I can have the idea...wouldn't it be cool to fly... Or I can make a plane. It takes WORK to make a plane. ALOT OF WORK to make a plane or a program. You're not protecting the IDEA, your protecting the work. If you just say, I got this idea of a plane, and don't make it, you get no protection from the law. Ideas are NOT projectable under the law...WORK is. The above just shows a distaste for INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY...one of the US's greatest exports. "People who have studied the issue of intellectual property rights carefully (such as lawyers) say that there is no intrinsic right to intellectual property. The kinds of supposed intellectual property rights that the government recognizes were created by specific acts of legislation for specific purposes." Well I study it ad nauseam...and the US CONSTITUTION says otherwise. And the REASON why they are RIGHTS, not just mere laws enacted by the congress, but one of the most EXPLICIT rights set out right in the ORIGINAL constitution (not even by amendment, that's how important it is), is that it is necessary to reward people for innovation. If a person needs to spend 2 years making a program, not getting paid the entire time, he's risking a lot...if the second he releases it, everyone could copy it w/o paying him, he would starve and die...but even worse than that...NO ONE WOULD EVER BOTHER MAKING ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, b/c they would know that there is no benefit to it... And society at large will be the poorer, b/c people will not bother doing such things. Intellectual Property Rights are a requirement for the progress of humanity. To his credit, he says as much about patents...he has a problem with copyright...below... "The idea of copyright did not exist in ancient times, when authors frequently copied other authors at length in works of non-fiction. This practice was useful, and is the only way many authors' works have survived even in part. The copyright system was created expressly for the purpose of encouraging authorship. In the domain for which it was invented--books, which could be copied economically only on a printing press--it did little harm, and did not obstruct most of the individuals who read the books." In the shameful practice of all developing countries (the US included at one time) people would take other's books, copy them, and re-sell them for a profit and would give the original author NOTHING. Imagine it, you spend 3-4 years writing a book, your sweat and toil, and you release it, and it's copied all around the world and you make NOTHING from it. The copyright laws are derive their power DIRECTLY from the constitution. They were developed to allow copyright owners a means of making a living. Currently, a copyright for any work will last for the lifetime of the author plus 50 years. This standard was actually developed abroad in Europe, and the US signed onto the Berne convention and adopted this life+50 standard. The Berne convention started somewhere in the mid 1800's if I remember correctly... As publishing became a reality, it became necessary to make such copyright laws. He speaks of a time BEFORE the press...when it was a JOB in and of itself to make a copy of a book, b/c you had to do it by HAND. Having to copy a work by hand inherently limits distribution. The bottom line, this communist notion that there ought to be no copyrights is BUNK in the real world. "All intellectual property rights are just licenses granted by society because it was thought, rightly or wrongly, that society as a whole would benefit by granting them. But in any particular situation, we have to ask: are we really better off granting such license? What kind of act are we licensing a person to do?" First off, if you want to frame the above in that context...ALL RIGHTS ARE JUST LICENSES GRANTED BY SOCIETY B/C IT WAS THOUGHT SOCIETY AS A WHOLE WOULD BENEFIT BY GRANTING THEM. Even the right to LIFE. In the jungle, nothing stops me from killing you... Society does. So societies grant us important rights, which are considered NECESSARY for the advancement of society and civilization. AMONG THOSE RIGHTS, RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONSTITUTION are INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS... I'm sure much to his dismay. And, YOU BETTER BELIEVE, the answer to his question, are we better off WITH INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS or WITHOUT...It's WITH. "The case of programs today is very different from that of books a hundred years ago. The fact that the easiest way to copy a program is from one neighbor to another, the fact that a program has both source code and object code which are distinct, and the fact that a program is used rather than read and enjoyed, combine to create a situation in which a person who enforces a copyright is harming society as a whole both materially and spiritually; in which a person should not do so regardless of whether the law enables him to" The above is one nonsequitur after another. It starts off right, "The case of programs today is very different from that of books a hundred years ago." In the past, before the press, a mechanism that facilitates copying, copyright laws weren't needed, because HAND copying would limit distribution inherently. However, NOW that we have ever increasing means to copy and spread knowledge...we also have and ever easier means to STEAL intellectual property...and that is why we need protection more so than when people use to copy books by quill. The fact that....part is such crap it makes me ill. So the fact that you use something should offer no protection... SO if you invent a phone, which is USED, you should have no protection? Ridiculous. On top of it, beyond his obvious distaste for law, which was obviously implemented by the MORONS WE CALL OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, he has decided what is right both materially and spiritually for society. I'll spare everyone the multiple forms of economic analysis that smoosh show that these rights are necessary for free markets...and just comment that I'll leave such spirituality to the marxists of the world. "'Competition makes things get done better.' The paradigm of competition is a race: by rewarding the winner, we encourage everyone to run faster. When capitalism really works this way, it does a good job; but its defenders are wrong in assuming it always works this way. If the runners forget why the reward is offered and become intent on winning, no matter how, they may find other strategies--such as, attacking other runners. If the runners get into a fist fight, they will all finish late." What a lame freakn analogy. I'll tell you what, IF THERE IS NO REWARD AT THE FINISH LINE, they won't bother running or even walking. There will be no race, and no progress. "'Won't everyone stop programming without a monetary incentive?' Actually, many people will program with absolutely no monetary incentive. Programming has an irresistible fascination for some people, usually the people who are best at it. There is no shortage of professional musicians who keep at it even though they have no hope of making a living that way." Right, and who produces some the GREATEST music in the world? THOSE THAT ARE PAID TO DO IT. The Beatles, people who perform in symphonies, even MOZART got PAID. Most people think much better about something when they are PAID to do it. In his mind, the sheer pleasure of programming is reward enough... Well, not to me it aint. It's not necessarily a moral wrong to get paid to do something you enjoy...apparently he thinks it is. "But really this question, though commonly asked, is not appropriate to the situation. Pay for programmers will not disappear, only become less. So the right question is, will anyone program with a reduced monetary incentive? My experience shows that they will." I love it, at this point, we don't even know how to ask questions, even that is wrong. So with his PhD in sociology, and economics, he has decided to conduct a little experiment to show that it's ok if salaries go down for programmers... Jeez. "For more than ten years, many of the world's best programmers worked at the Artificial Intelligence Lab for far less money than they could have had anywhere else. They got many kinds of non-monetary rewards: fame and appreciation, for example. And creativity is also fun, a reward in itself." Tell me this isn't communist like. Contributing to the state is reward enough...the fun of contributing, plus the bread and water...what more could a person want... "Then most of them left when offered a chance to do the same interesting work for a lot of money." Right, before they got paid less, b/c they didn't know as much...after you do a bunch of work, you get good at it, and then people want to pay you more....But the people that PAY them MORE, do so through revenues derived from INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY that he want's to do away with...and if you do away with INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, they WONT be hired to make ANY money. "What the facts show is that people will program for reasons other than riches; but if given a chance to make a lot of money as well, they will come to expect and demand it. Low-paying organizations do poorly in competition with high-paying ones, but they do not have to do badly if the high-paying ones are banned." What all of history shows is people will not do much WITHOUT REWARD for their efforts. PERIOD. For most people that reward is MONEY so they can survive. ""Programmers need to make a living somehow." In the short run, this is true. However, there are plenty of ways that programmers could make a living without selling the right to use a program. This way is customary now because it brings programmers and businessmen the most money, not because it is the only way to make a living. It is easy to find other ways if you want to find them. Here are a number of examples." Again, MAKING THE MOST MONEY, is an evil... So all enterprise that tries to profit maximize is bad. So if you bother inventing the plane, you shouldn't profit maximize. If you write a novel you shouldn't profit maximize. If you sell candy you shouldn't profit maximize. Apparently, he has a vision of society, w/o profit maximization...IE not a free market, equity based, capitalism like the US has... Something definitely more socialist (and to me more communist like). "The consequences: Š The computer-using community supports software development. Š This community decides what level of support is needed. Š Users who care which projects their share is spent on can choose this for themselves." The consequences are this, IN REALITY, far fewer people will bother to invest there intellectual capitol in creating intellectual property...and the resultant intellectual property will be of far lower quality, and it will be a net loss for humanity, society, and civilization. "In the long run, making programs free is a step toward the post-scarcity world, where nobody will have to work very hard just to make a living. People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun, such as programming, after spending the necessary ten hours a week on required tasks such as legislation, family counseling, robot repair and asteroid prospecting. There will be no need to be able to make a living from programming." First off, in the long run we are all DEAD. Next, I've heard of such description of nirvana like societies before from people who follow marxist type of ideals. All I will do is point out how successful the FORMER soviet union was at implementing such a nirvana. But today, PROGRAMMERS NEED FOOD AND MONEY... "We have already greatly reduced the amount of work that the whole society must do for its actual productivity, but only a little of this has translated itself into leisure for workers because much nonproductive activity is required to accompany productive activity. The main causes of this are bureaucracy and isometric struggles against competition. Free software will greatly reduce these drains in the area of software production. We must do this, in order for technical gains in productivity to translate into less work for us." No matter how productive we become, we will always be WORKING if we want to keep PROGRESSING. More Leisure time? NO WAY. People DO alot more today than 40 years ago. We don't make technology so we can work less, but so we can DO MORE in the time we work. That facilitates progress. If we don't want progress, we could all still live as hunt and gatherers in the jungle. Sitting around most of the day doing nothing. I believe anthropologists believe human beings only worked 2hours a day during that part of our development, the rest of the time was available for leisure (and running away from lions and stuff I would guess). > The question is raised (and answered): > | "Don't programmers deserve a reward for their creativity?" > And the answer is "yes"! So you are wrong, they should not do it for the fun of it. As long as that reward isn't MONEY! GNU manifesto considers the joy of working without pay, coding, as reward enough in and of itself. To some maybe, to others (me included) not. See my above rant for the full quotes and my answer... > | The real reason programmers will not starve is that it will still |be possible for them to get paid for programming; just not paid as |much as now. Again, the above is wrong b/c he doesn't want OWNERSHIP of programs to be possible. I.E. NO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, or at the very least no copyrights. If there are no copyrights, there will be no software companies that will HIRE or PAY programmers, b/c they will NOT be able to generate a revenue stream. > > to anyone person, but to everyone. That the idea of intellectual property, > > is somehow inherently bad. > We should talk about advantages and disadvantages, and you are raising different emotions with this word. (On the other end, you "heated" the discussion this way... (; ) You wish to have a debate of the advantages/disadvantages of intellectual property right? Sure, I'm for it. I think in my rant above, I touched on some economic and historical reasons why such rights are necessary. > But i will quote my GNU manifesto here: > | People who have studied the issue of intellectual property rights |carefully (such as lawyers) say that there is no intrinsic right to |intellectual property. The kinds of supposed intellectual property |rights that the government recognizes were created by specific acts |of legislation for specific purposes. > And there is another important difference between GNU and "communistic thinking": Nobody is forced to join the GNU projects. But!! the GNU project is quite successful! First, GPL2b acts like a VIRUS. If you use it you are forced by it's terms. True, I never said that GNU was EXACTLY like communism, but in my above rant, I point out where it is LIKE communism in philosophy. > > Well, the MiscKit prevents companies from locking things away, yet allows > > EVERYONE, not only to use the work, but also to make a living (and gasp, > > even profit from it :). > IMO people are earning money with the work of other people, the computer business is not a very fair game in this aspects. This argument, in light of what is said in GNU, makes little sense. I thought that GNU wants all of humanity to profit and use software...so if a company does so as well, that seems like a good thing... And believe it or not... THOSE COMPANIES CONTRIBUTE BACK HEAVILY to MiscKit. Overall, you have more contributions going back and forth between people in the MiscKit way of doing things. The MISCKIT way of things is just LESS restrictive. They don't tell you what you can and cannot do nearly as much as GNU... It's less intrusive or violating. It lets people be better, instead of FORCING them to be better. > There are some examples for "real freeware". It got abused by a few people in German, they simply sold it with very, very slight differences and got rich. This is swindling from my moral point of view. So the GNU GPL is trying to lay down rules so that abuse can be prohibed. Well, I feel bad for the purchasers...but I'm sure those that did the swindling didn't last very long. If the same thing is available for FREE, people will tend to learn of it and not pay. ALL FREEDOMS can be abused...but that is no reason to take away the freedom. > Software firms have to rethink, and change maybe, before they can use this software. BUT THEY always CAN, and they have all source code available! So nothing is locked away. Absolutely they CANNOT use the source code. If they do, they CANNOT be commercially viable by the terms of GPL2b. Under terms of MiscKit, not only are the companies viable...they have incentives to be good, and they contribute more back to MiscKit. Sometimes a carrot is much better than a stick... MiscKit is much more the carrot, and GPL is much more the stick. There is a huge philosophical and ideological difference between the two, and I know which I prefer... > IMO: The software branch has some very unfair practices adoped. The GNU manifest/GPL is trying to catch a certain spirit here, which i think is the right one. And it is build upon competition in the right way. The change will be slowly and not with pressure or revolution. Socity will benefit. I cant see COMPETITION IN ANYWAY WITH IT! If there are no copyrights, there will be no software industry. There will be some hobbiest doing it and that is it... And I argue, that an industry motivated by profit will by and large outperform hobbiest in the number and quality of works... Now before you cite some great freeware works by some folks...Think about what their DAY job is...and how much they get PAID for those day jobs, allowing them the luxury, to produce such works during their free time. That DAY job is made possible by strong intellectual property rights. > IMO:The MiscKit license also works. (there are other examples) But better? I do not know. The author of the GNU manifesto had long term developlemts in mind. And his arguments are better. I don't see how is arguments are even reasonable, much less better. Considering the size of the markets, I see the spirit and RESULTS of MiscKit as being (percentage wise) FAR FAR FAR superior to those accomplished with the GPL. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Robert F Tobler <rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Try Cedar Word - it is *very good* !!! Date: 22 Nov 1996 21:54:35 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <5757er$fsf@news.tuwien.ac.at> Have a look at this Word Processor, it is a *very nice* application! Yesterday I picked up the 1.0 Demo Version from one of the Archives: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/Text/commercial/CedarWord.1.0.NI.b.tar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/Text/commercial/CedarWord.1.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/editors/CedarWord.1.0.NI.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/editors/CedarWord.1.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz and today I already orderd and received my License! It is very cheap (1st: ~$33, additonal ~$48, some discounts), and can be ordered by Credit Card via Phone or Fax. Have a look at the Cedar Systems Limited Web pages for further information (you can download from there as well): http://www.cedar.co.uk/ http://www.cedar.co.uk/purchase.htm Although the readme file tells you a lot, there is one thing I want to mention explicilty: Cedar Word will *correctly* import Word 6.0 styles from a RTF-file saved by Word 6.0 !!! I have searched for such a feature for years! (I haven't tried OpenWrite 2.1, but Version 1.02 did a pityful job on the same Word Documents... ). The application does not have all that many features yet, but it is fast, easy to use, and has .rtf as native document format. Just try it! Robert F. Tobler PS: I am not in any way connected to Cedar Systems Limited, I just tried their application, and find it to be one of the most useful NeXTstep applications I have used. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert F. Tobler - tel:+43(1)58801-4585,fax:5874932 Institute of Computer Graphics - mailto:rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Vienna University of Technology - http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~rft/
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: What is your WordPerfect Date/Version? (Re: WordPerfect problem) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:45:55 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122144420.29761A-100000@kira> References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> <574dtb$lfe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Randy Jackson <randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu> In-Reply-To: <574dtb$lfe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com On 22 Nov 1996, Randy Jackson wrote: > Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:38:35 GMT > > I have Version 1.01, dated March 18, 1984. I seem to recall having > the problem you identify, but with an earlier version. What is the > date on yours? > is that 1984 or 1994? Is this a MAB version? If so, I'd like to get a copy. I've got a MAB version of 10 June 1993.... TjL
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 15:09:25 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > And I quote Section2b of the GPL: > > " b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in > whole or in part contains or is _derived_ from the Program or any > part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at _no_ charge to all third > parties under the terms of this License." (Emphasis added) Well, you got two important words in that clause, but you missed the big one: "to be _licensed_ as". As the clause makes clear, licensing is separate from distributing or publishing. Basically, you can charge all you want for distribution, which is usually referred to as `selling' the software. However, if someone who's bought the software from you turns around and asks if he can take your software and put it on a CD under the terms of the GPL and resell it, you can't charge him more money to do that. He bought it, he can do what he wants. And if you like, you can buy his CD and do the same thing to him under the same clause. > Yes. Why? B/C, even if I didn't modify even a single line, and > tried to sell John'sEmacs for $100bux, why would someone buy it > unless it was substantially better than the GNU version which is > free? I wouldn't... But if I did add significant additional > functions to emacs, why can't I profit from it? As I note above, you can. However, there is a matter of economy here. I agree that it's not going to be easy -- you need to really improve the system greatly. I also agree with Scott Hess, when he noted that if you're good enough to improve Emacs that much, you're also good enough to compartmentalize your changes as well. > Well, I'm not familiar with Larry Wall's license, though it sounds > like something I would like to learn more about.... If you have the source to perl lying around, you can find it in a file labelled `Artistic'. > Regardless, I don't understand the MiscKit license to be that way... > Any anyone please correct me if I'm wrong (Don in particular ;) But > this is the way I understand the MiscKit licensing scheme... It sounds as if you're closer to the way it is intended (as Don notes in another part of this thread). I still don't think the MiscKit license itself makes that clear without the explanatory notes, which may not be binding, but Don is the one who gets to make that decision. > > > Well, if they could use GNU source freely, they could improve up > > > on it (building on the shoulders of giants) and make money on > > > their commercial products. > > > Please note that this statement assumes that the `giants' would > > have released their code if others could capitalize on their work. > > I think when have misdirected our references... When I refer to > giants, I'm not talking about big companies, but rather the great > GNU contributors, IMO, are software developing giants...like power > hitters :) So was I. I'm not at all convinced that many of the `giants' in GNU contributions would do so if they thought someone could take their code and make a profit off of it without giving something back. -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: mkienenb@arsc.edu (Mike Kienenberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <56ni4v$4ag@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <56ni4v$4ag@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Date: 22 Nov 1996 03:11:09 GMT Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network Message-ID: <5735ke$hfq@news.alaska.edu> cancel
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 22 Nov 1996 18:56:38 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Support Sender: speters@blues.cygnus.com Message-ID: <qd20dl1puh.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > I don't think so... You can charge for DISTRIBUTING or SERVICE, but > not for product. So after, you distribute one copy, I can take it > from you and put it on the web for free. Yup. And by doing so you remove any competitive advantage you may have obtained from purchasing the software. If you're selling to a market where your product is considered to be worth less than what the customer paid, then you're probably not going to make much of a profit. If you're selling to a market where people value the software and the advantage it gives them more than the money they paid for it, you don't really have anything to worry about. Look, John, I'm not arguing that the GPL is perfect. Nor am I trying to argue that it's appropriate everywhere. Personally, when I write software for myself and release it, I decide what the most appropriate license is, considering the software and my goals for it. What I *am* arguing is that blanket statements like "GPL is evil", and "GPL prevents you from charging money for developing software" are inherently wrong, and betray a misreading of the text. > Without a property right to the software, rights to distribute or > service are of limited use to the developer/programmer. > Distribution is NOT selling software, it is distribution. Rights to > sell software are what pay the bills that kill. I think we're clearly using two different versions of the word sell. To me, selling is the same as distribution -- with money attached. I'd say what you're more disturbed by is the concept of giving the same rights to the recipients that you give to yourself. In effect, you're bothered by the entire GNU concept of `free software'. If that's the case, that's what you should be arguing against, rather than getting bogged down in the difference between distribution and sales. > Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > > It sounds as if you're closer to the way it is intended (as Don > > notes in another part of this thread). I still don't think the > > MiscKit license itself makes that clear without the explanatory > > notes, which may not be binding, but Don is the one who gets to > > make that decision. > > Actually, the likely do if Don INTENDS them to be. He's not a > lawyer, so the entirety of his intent is the contract... My worry is that that comes suspiciously close to "the contract means what Don wants it to mean", which wouldn't be something I'd want to bet my software business on, no matter how much I like and trust Don. If I were trying to distribute software based on a modified MiscKit, I'd probably end up trying to get a clarification in writing. > Well, that only shows their lack of philanthropy. This must be some new meaning for `philanthropy' that I'm not aware of. Just so I'm clear, if I give something away so that anyone can use it, with the exception that I make it harder to make a fast buck off of it, I'm not being `philanthropic'. > The corporations can use parks as well as the people. But corporations are not allowed to sell pieces of the parks without at *least* talking to someone first, nor should they expect to make much of a profit selling tickets to a public park that everyone can enter for free. Once again, just because you make something available for everyone doesn't mean you have to let everyone do whatever they want, or that they will be able to make a profit off of it. -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: bnd00796@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: 23 Nov 1996 04:27:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961123042900.XAA16390@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122092430.20384H-100000@kira> It has been written: >welcome to the NeXTWorld. We are alive, despite all reports. I would like to thank ALL of you who have taken the time to point me in the right direction in terms of The NeXT Realm. I have learned a lot over the last 24 hours and it is mainly the result of all the e-mail response to my first post. I feel MUCH better now knowing that all of you kind souls are out there and willing to help us new folk. Another NeXT User has been created! :) Bill
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 00:09:49 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > And I quote Section2b of the GPL: > > " b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in > > whole or in part contains or is _derived_ from the Program or any > > part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at _no_ charge to all third > > parties under the terms of this License." (Emphasis added) > Well, you got two important words in that clause, but you missed the big one: "to be _licensed_ as". As the clause makes clear, licensing is separate from distributing or publishing. Basically, you can charge all you want for distribution, which is usually referred to as `selling' the software. However, if someone who's bought the software from you turns around and asks if he can take your software and put it on a CD under the terms of the GPL and resell it, you can't charge him more money to do that. He bought it, he can do what he wants. I don't think so... You can charge for DISTRIBUTING or SERVICE, but not for product. So after, you distribute one copy, I can take it from you and put it on the web for free. Without a property right to the software, rights to distribute or service are of limited use to the developer/programmer. Distribution is NOT selling software, it is distribution. Rights to sell software are what pay the bills that kill. So GPL2b infects your app like a virus, preventing you from charging for your product... Once it's put out the the web and everyone takes it for free, the return from distributing CD's or service on it, will usually be negligible to what would have been attained through the sale/licensing of the program itself. > > Yes. Why? B/C, even if I didn't modify even a single line, and > > tried to sell John'sEmacs for $100bux, why would someone buy it > > unless it was substantially better than the GNU version which is > > free? I wouldn't... But if I did add significant additional > > functions to emacs, why can't I profit from it? > As I note above, you can. However, there is a matter of economy here. I agree that it's not going to be easy -- you need to really improve the system greatly. I also agree with Scott Hess, when he noted that if you're good enough to improve Emacs that much, you're also good enough to compartmentalize your changes as well. Right, but sometimes compartmentalizing is more a burden than time saved rewriting the whole thing from scratch, and other times it kills big O optimality, and sometimes restructuring things will negate a cool feature/result/efficiency that may be attained by interweaving the source throughout your app. I'm not debating that by compartmentalizing one can avoid the effects of GPL2b. I agree, offtimes you can. I'm talking of the situation where you cannot. > If you have the source to perl lying around, you can find it in a file labelled `Artistic'. I'll check it out, thanks much for the pointer :) > It sounds as if you're closer to the way it is intended (as Don notes in another part of this thread). I still don't think the MiscKit license itself makes that clear without the explanatory notes, which may not be binding, but Don is the one who gets to make that decision. Actually, the likely do if Don INTENDS them to be. He's not a lawyer, so the entirety of his intent is the contract... > > I think when have misdirected our references... When I refer to > > giants, I'm not talking about big companies, but rather the great > > GNU contributors, IMO, are software developing giants...like power > > hitters :) > So was I. I'm not at all convinced that many of the `giants' in GNU contributions would do so if they thought someone could take their code and make a profit off of it without giving something back. Well, that only shows their lack of philanthropy. The corporations can use parks as well as the people. Companies that do use MiscKit give a LOT back when they don't have to. That's the fact of it. If you give something away, don't worry if someone will or wont profit for it...actually, I take that back, I think you should hope that all of humanity will profit from your contribution... But that's just me... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 04:54:35 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57602b$lc4@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net> <qd20dl1puh.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > > I don't think so... You can charge for DISTRIBUTING or SERVICE, but > > not for product. So after, you distribute one copy, I can take it > > from you and put it on the web for free. > Yup. And by doing so you remove any competitive advantage you may have obtained from purchasing the software. If you're selling to a market where your product is considered to be worth less than what the customer paid, then you're probably not going to make much of a profit. If you're selling to a market where people value the software and the advantage it gives them more than the money they paid for it, you don't really have anything to worry about. Well, that's an _interesting_ way of putting it... True, you remove any competitive advantage... You also remove any commercial viability for your product. There ZERO, after GPL2b is activated, commercial value in the product itself. So since there is zero, no one will bother using GNU for commercial products where interweaving source would have been helpful, and instead, re-invent the wheel. MiscKit doesn't require you re-invent the wheel, allows you to be commercially viable, yet still provides the software community at large tons of free software... > Look, John, I'm not arguing that the GPL is perfect. Nor am I trying to argue that it's appropriate everywhere. Personally, when I write software for myself and release it, I decide what the most appropriate license is, considering the software and my goals for it. Well, I am glad that YOU and others DO have Intellectual Property Rights, and YOU do get to decide what you do with it... Though the GNU manifesto is clearly NOT happy YOU do have that right in Intellectual Property, as I noted earlier in the thread... > What I *am* arguing is that blanket statements like "GPL is evil", and "GPL prevents you from charging money for developing software" are inherently wrong, and betray a misreading of the text. Well, OK, I admit going a bit overboard, but just for effect mind you ;) And just to highlight the irony/hypocrisy of advertising to PAY someone to program for GNU, after all the 'preaching' done in the GNU manifesto... It's ironic to me anyway. But, I'll note, I do think, relative to licenses like MiscKit, GPL, IMO, is evil. And, GPL does prevent you from charging money whenever you use their source in your own program (interwoven) via GPL2b; Now some argue that libraries let you use GPL code in your app w/o invoking GPL2b, and they are right, but I argue, that sometimes that is more trouble than re-inventing the wheel, and it TRULY prevents you from using GNU source throughout your app freely, unlike the MiscKit. So, although I completely agree with you, that my phrases above, CLEARLY, paint the world with my view :) I don't think they are inherently wrong...and actually, if one is pedantic about reading the GPL, they are absolutely correct. I think the reality is, that GNU is, despite being hindered by the GPL, a very good, and successful thing. GNU w/o a doubt HAS and DOES benefit humanity. The people that do work are WONDERFUL and KIND. However, I believe, that the GPL is an inferior and more restrictive device than that of the MiscKit. I believe, that if GNU were unshackled from the GPL they would do MORE good for humanity. I think if GNU replaced the GPL with a scheme more like the MiscKit, everyone would be better off. That being said, I do think even with the burden of the GPL, and the GPL2b virus, GNU has done wonderful things for this world... And finally, I completely disagree with almost every ideological thing in the GNU manifesto, and see communist-LIKE philosophies extolled with; of course that is my personal opinion and interpretation of it... As always, I reserve my right to be 100% wrong. > > Without a property right to the software, rights to distribute or > > service are of limited use to the developer/programmer. > > Distribution is NOT selling software, it is distribution. Rights to > > sell software are what pay the bills that kill. > I think we're clearly using two different versions of the word sell. To me, selling is the same as distribution -- with money attached. I'd say what you're more disturbed by is the concept of giving the same rights to the recipients that you give to yourself. In effect, you're bothered by the entire GNU concept of `free software'. If that's the case, that's what you should be arguing against, rather than getting bogged down in the difference between distribution and sales. Well, let me be clear. GPL does not allow you to SELL A PROGRAM DERIVED FROM GNU WORKS. PERIOD, END OF STORY. That's it. Not for the work itself. You can charge ONLY for the distribution. It's like this. If I'm Sting, and make a song under GPL, cannot charge Coke for using that song on TV. I can only charge them, say $10bux for giving it to them on a DAT... The distribution. I could TRY to charge them $50,000 for the DAT tape, but they would never bother, b/c under GNU, they could download it for free from the web. Now if Sting, wisely, did not give the song up to GPL, Coke could not use the song without paying him the $50,000 to use that song. That IS the difference between distribution and sales. The REAL money, is in keeping the right to the product...The right to distribute, is worth significantly less. At least that's what I remember from property and copyright law... > My worry is that that comes suspiciously close to "the contract means what Don wants it to mean", which wouldn't be something I'd want to bet my software business on, no matter how much I like and trust Don. If I were trying to distribute software based on a modified MiscKit, I'd probably end up trying to get a clarification in writing. First, I'm not sure what money would be in redistributing and entire modified misckit...but lets say you wanted to... Call it Joe'sMiscKit+++. I'm sure you could get a writing done up with Don easily...and I'm sure if there was enough money in it Don would get a lawyer to put it into legalese as well. As a matter of fact, I would have offered my services, but it's illegal for me to do so until I pass the bar... God willing, if I do, I'd be happy to whip up something more firm, gratis... Anyway... I see your worry. But, it's not whatever Don wants it to mean. If it went to court, it would fall under such a standard (if my contract law serves me well...)... Whatever the two contracting parties believed they were getting into... If you went ahead with Joe'sMiscKit+++ w/o ever contacting Don to hammer out particulars...it would be based completely by the licensing scheme he put in there. So that reading would rule... That reading would be interpreted, likely, by what a _reasonable_person_ would interpret it as... I.E. if you got a hundred avg Joe's to read it, what they would think it means... I think most Joe's would interpret it to mean, just what Don does means. If a lawyer wrote it, there would be a different standard...a legal standard, and that's a whole different world... However, if you were investing some serious time/money in that, you would be wise to call up Don, and hammer something more explicit out... > > Well, that only shows their lack of philanthropy. > This must be some new meaning for `philanthropy' that I'm not aware of. Just so I'm clear, if I give something away so that anyone can use it, with the exception that I make it harder to make a fast buck off of it, I'm not being `philanthropic'. Well, maybe it's only my interpretation. Right, to me, you give something philanthropically, when you give it away to any and everyone to enjoy. No restrictions. See, I think the worry that most have is, well if I give something away, I want GOOD people to get it, not BAD ones. And, fine, I'll even go with the colloquial notion that GOOD people are just the avg Joe's and BAD ones are the corporations... And that if I put it out there, and the BAD guys take it and leave nothing for the GOOD, that would kind of ruin the whole point of me being philanthropic.... But the beautiful thing with computer software is it's a LIMITLESS resource. If I give it away, and a BAD company takes it to use, that doesn't stop GOOD people from still using it. And under this scheme, it also doesn't stop GOOD companies from using it, GOOD companies that will donate back to the cause. As I understand it, there have been some VERY significant contributions back to the MiscKit by GOOD companies... And in the sense that philanthropy is an active effort to promote human welfare... I think the MiscKit way is MORE effective at promoting human welfare, because more people benefit in greater quantities... And the whole notion of, well I made it, and I want X people to use it, but Y people not...kind isn't as philanthropic to me as, I want ALL people to benefit from my donation... Of course, this is just a personal view of mine. > > The corporations can use parks as well as the people. > But corporations are not allowed to sell pieces of the parks without at *least* talking to someone first, nor should they expect to make much of a profit selling tickets to a public park that everyone can enter for free. Once again, just because you make something available for everyone doesn't mean you have to let everyone do whatever they want, or that they will be able to make a profit off of it. They should if they add significant value to that park. In central Park, they showed a Disney flick, Pocahontas (sp?), I think. They CHARGED for it. Again, software/intellectual property, unlike real property (land) is inexhaustible. True a corporation cannot sell pieces of the park, taking it away from people...However, selling copies of software, does not take any software away from people...It's an inexhaustible resource... One can make a practically infinite copies of the piece of software. When the company sells a copy, it doesn't take a copy away from anyone else. If it were a question of uncompensated taking, I'd agree with you. But there is no taking to compensate...so I say, let everyone enjoy it... It will be a net gain for humanity. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: 3mpa@qlink.queensu.ca (Marco Anglesio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 23 Nov 1996 02:09:48 GMT Organization: Hell-by-the-Lake Message-ID: <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : : NeXT isn't interweaving GNU code into say InterfaceBuilder of : ProjectBuilder... They are just including GNU apps on their distribution : (with some NeXT specific mods). But they don't make money on the GNU apps, : no one buys NeXTSTEP developer to use the NeXT mod'd compiler... : Especially considering, that if I wanted to, I can take the NeXT mod'd : compiler off the NEXTSTEP developer CD, and copy it on the web for all to : use. What they make money on are there tools with NO GNU source interwoven : into it... Now I bet they could have benefited by using some GNU source : code, interwoven into InterfaceBuilder or ProjectBuilder...but they'd never : do so, b/c it would then inject those products with the GPL2b virus... : They don't want me putting IB, PB or their libraries up on the web for : free... You keep on repeating this point; I don't think it's quite true. People don't buy, say, the NeXT port of gcc, but the presence of a NeXT port for gcc makes it much more likely that they'll buy a NeXT and all attendant s/w (which, of course, is good for NeXT). NeXT is porting gcc for much, much less effort than writing a marketable compiler, but by adding a proven compiler to the package they are making the package, as a whole, increase in value. (that is, assuming you subscribe to the utilitarian, not the marxist, concept of value. I'm not sure if you do). It's called sweetening the pot. If you copy it off your CD and distrute it, more power to you - and to them, since they get much greater market exposure that way. By doing that, you create a demand for genuine NeXT products. I'm sure you've seen other such gambits, so I won't bother to expand. Certainly they could have benefitted by borrowing source; who couldn't. The point is that GNU allows people to advance their field by adding the product of hundreds of man-years of R&D in a very short time, adding to its value to the end user (and hence expanding the market for their product). It keeps the market competitive, antimonopolistic. Which, I'm afraid, is as uncommunist as you can possibly imagine. A second view (and I think that this might be correct) that the proper interpretation of the GNU license allows for sale for profit of any GNU derived software or libraries, so long as credit is given and source is distributed. You charge for your efforts, if you like, by providing service. If I remember correctly, by doing so you increase the jobs available in a given sector, since more jobs are devoted to supporting the product than would be devoted to developing it. I can check back to my sources at IBM and Nortel, but I'm not sure if you'd accept them. :) GNU is the computer world's equivalent of a voluntary community service club. I'm sure you wouldn't call the Elks or Rotarians communist. GNU advances the computer world in the same way - by freeing up paid work and paid time to do original research, to develop, to not spend time reinventing the wheel. m. --- marco anglesio:anglesio@queensu.ca:cspo.queensu.ca/~anglesio a polar bear is a rectangular bear after a coordinate transform
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 05:09:12 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5760to$lc4@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net> <qd20dl1puh.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <57602b$lc4@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Well, let me be clear. GPL does not allow you to SELL A PROGRAM DERIVED FROM GNU WORKS. PERIOD, END OF STORY. That's it. Not for the work itself. You can charge ONLY for the distribution. It's like this. If I'm Sting, and make a song under GPL, cannot charge Coke for using that song on TV. I can only charge them, say $10bux for giving it to them on a DAT... The distribution. I could TRY to charge them $50,000 for the DAT tape, but they would never bother, b/c under GNU, they could download it for free from the web. OKAY, it's not the endo of story... You can charge ONLY for the distribution OR SERVICE... Not for the product itself... Eesh, sometimes the fingers don't do what the cabeza tells it to :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 06:09:49 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> 3mpa@qlink.queensu.ca (Marco Anglesio) wrote: > You keep on repeating this point; I don't think it's quite true. Well, I think it is true, and I guess it's where we disagree... I think it's really hard to believe that someone will pay $5k for NeXTstep developer for the gnu compiler when they could get if for free... > People don't buy, say, the NeXT port of gcc, but the presence of a NeXT port for gcc makes it much more likely that they'll buy a NeXT and all attendant s/w (which, of course, is good for NeXT). NeXT is porting gcc for much, much less effort than writing a marketable compiler, but by adding a proven compiler to the package they are making the package, as a whole, increase in value. I don't think, anyone adventurous enough to use NEXSTEP, cares if gcc does the compiling or if NeXT made their own compiler. It's a nice bonus, but not a deciding factor. Of course it's saving NeXT money to use the GNU compiler... However, they may have saved even more money if they could have interwoven some code from various GNU packages right into InterfaceBuilder... > (that is, assuming you subscribe to the utilitarian, not the marxist, concept of value. I'm not sure if you do). Not sure I subscribe to which...utilitarian or marxist... > It's called sweetening the pot. I completely agree it is sweetening the pot. But is NOT why someone will plunk down $5K. They can get that same GNU compiler, by itself (actually, a newer and better version) for free. The $5K is for NeXT's tools, not for the GNU stuff. They put it on the cd for ease of use. They could just as easily said, please down load gcc yourself, use this modified makefile, and install it in X location. > If you copy it off your CD and distrute it, more power to you - and to them, since they get much greater market exposure that way. By doing that, you create a demand for genuine NeXT products. I'm sure you've seen other such gambits, so I won't bother to expand. I don't see how distributing NeXT older version of GCC, is going to increase sales of NeXTSTEP developer. I really don't... > Certainly they could have benefitted by borrowing source; who couldn't. The point is that GNU allows people to advance their field by adding the product of hundreds of man-years of R&D in a very short time, adding to its value to the end user (and hence expanding the market for their product). It keeps the market competitive, antimonopolistic. Which, I'm afraid, is as uncommunist as you can possibly imagine. I never said GNU doesn't help out humanity... I'm saying the GPL is worse and than something like the MiscKit. And I completely disagree that it's antimonopolistic or not communist... Extrapolate the tenants in the manifesto to there ultimate end... I.E. GNU would be the CENTRAL warehouse for all FREE software. It would be THE monopoly....just as the central government was THE state sanctioned monopoly of the people in the former soviet union. > A second view (and I think that this might be correct) that the proper interpretation of the GNU license allows for sale for profit of any GNU derived software or libraries, so long as credit is given and source is distributed. You charge for your efforts, if you like, by providing service. No, you CANNOT charge for the derived product. You can charge ONLY for service or distribution. GPL2b is pretty clear on that point. If the product you make is GOOD, likely it won't require as much service. True money CAN be made on distribution or service, but nothing compared to the profit that is made on sales of the product itself. Owning the rights to the software, or the song, or the movie, THAT is where the money is... Sure, some money can be made in the distribution or service, but it's relatively very little. And considering how EASY it is to copy software, and how good software requires relatively little service, it's unlikely a lot of money could be made. Regardless, a programmer is ENTITLED to profit on his PROGRAMMING creations. S/He's good at PROGRAMMING/DESIGNING, not necessarily at distributing or servicing. > If I remember correctly, by doing so you increase the jobs available in a given sector, since more jobs are devoted to supporting the product than would be devoted to developing it. I can check back to my sources at IBM and Nortel, but I'm not sure if you'd accept them. :) Again, if I am a PROGRAMMER, and I make a program, and I don't know the first thing about distribution, or service...how am I going to make a living? I'm not under GPL2b. Moreover, if I the programmer retain rights to my app, I still need to distribute and service the app. My owning it, doesn't prevent anyone from opening up a business to provide service on that app. I.E. I make JKWord and keep all the product rights, anyone can make a JKWord service center. Another example is I make a car, a Honda, nothing prevents Tony from making a Tony's Honda to service Hondas. The GPL actually cannot give or take away the right to service a product...that's not an ownership right; although it purports to magnanimously give away such a support right. As for distribution, the same number of people are employed regardless (and I'd argue more if it is kept commercial). Why? B/C I want, as the owner of the app, to sell as many copies as possible, so I want the best distribution channel I can get, I'm going to keep that distribution channel employed. With GNU, most people just put it on the net, and don't employ any people in the distribution channel. > GNU is the computer world's equivalent of a voluntary community service club. I'm sure you wouldn't call the Elks or Rotarians communist. GNU advances the computer world in the same way - by freeing up paid work and paid time to do original research, to develop, to not spend time reinventing the wheel. BUT IT DOES FORCE PEOPLE IN THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY TO RE-INVENT THE WHEEL...or forgo all profit on their developments. GPL2b does that EXPLICITLY. If I could use 100lines of gawk code, intersprinkled in a new word processor I'm developing for commercial resale, I cannot use that code because it would make my product commercial not viable, and I end up re-inventing that code all by myself. Again, don't get me wrong. GNU is a net plus benefit for humanity, no doubt. I'm just saying that by dropping the GPL and adopting a scheme more like the MiscKit, it would do MORE for humanity... And also, that the tone of the manifesto, and the underlying ideology, seem to me, completely communist-LIKE... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 08:00:47 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <576avf$q9f@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Again, don't get me wrong. GNU is a net plus benefit for humanity, > no doubt. I'm just saying that by dropping the GPL and adopting > a scheme more like the MiscKit, it would do MORE for humanity... > And also, that the tone of the manifesto, and the underlying > ideology, seem to me, completely communist-LIKE... Don't communists have the same right to be selfish as capitalists? Suppose I don't _want_ to help humanity, but only that subset of humanity that is willing to work around the GPL. I can easily see a programmer feeling that he'd like to make his code widely available to fellow-travelers, but would rather destroy his own code than let _you_ make money by taking foul advantage of his goodwill. Why shouldn't the law protect such a person's copyleft just as forcefully as it protects Bill Gates's copyright? Oh, but you'd like him to _voluntarily_ give up this protection. Well, why should he? What's in it for him? If you're not part of the |================================================== solution...you're part of | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu the precipitate. |==================================================
From: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain FAUCONNET) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Help: Configuring NeXTStation as print server Date: 23 Nov 96 09:20:50 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.848740850@iaka> References: <570ck5$iej@info.uah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wli@pluto (Dr. Wei Li) writes: >I need help on configuring my NeXT station as a printer server for >a Win95 machine. Specifically, I would like to print out >MS Word and Excel documents from my NeXT laser printer via >a thin ethernet connection between the Win95 machine and >my NeXT station running NeXTStep. Any experience and >advice are greatly appreciated. You will probably want to install SAMBA on your NeXT box. It's a free SMB server for Unix. Works very nicely. Check your favourite ftp search service. The README file says: The main anonymous ftp distribution site for this software is nimbus.anu.edu.au in the directory pub/tridge/samba/. The distributed Makefile seems to have an entry for NeXT's brain-challenged Unix, so that shouldn't be quite difficult. Good luck, _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Medical Computing Research Labs Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Tel: (+33) (0)1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) (0)1-45-86-80-68 I've RTFMed. It says: "Refer to your system administrator" But... I *am* the system administrator :-]
From: "Zacharias J. Beckman" <zac@dreams.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Monitor power-off screen saver... where? Date: 23 Nov 1996 07:37:52 GMT Organization: Dreams Message-ID: <01bbd911$39403040$9ab08ccc@opus.dreams.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I anyone aware of a screen saver module (preferably that works with the login panel as well as logged-in accounts) which will power-off an energy star compliant power saving monitor? This would be for OPENSTEP 4.0... --- Zacharias J. Beckman - zac@dreams.com - 310-822-1583 vox, 822-0163 fax 520 Washington Boulevard, Suite #339, Marina del Rey, California 90292 http://www.dreams.com
From: pb141@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 23 Nov 1996 12:19:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <576q44$2pm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> On 11/21/96, William Paul Vrotney wrote: ... but most likely you can do all this from Emacs with even fewer keystrokes... Possibly, but you first have to use the mouse to make Emacs key. Command-space gets you LaunchBar no matter which app is active. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: pb141@columbia.edu Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________ I'm like a dog with a bone; I gnaw on it until I understand the dynamics. Helen Caldicot, NPR interview
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From: 3mpa@qlink.queensu.ca (Marco Anglesio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 23 Nov 1996 23:56:59 GMT Organization: Hell-by-the-Lake Message-ID: <57830b$1v6@knot.queensu.ca> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : 3mpa@qlink.queensu.ca (Marco Anglesio) wrote: : : > A second view (and I think that this might be correct) that the proper : interpretation of the GNU license allows for sale for profit of any GNU : derived software or libraries, so long as credit is given and source is : distributed. You charge for your efforts, if you like, by providing : service. : : No, you CANNOT charge for the derived product. You can charge ONLY for : service or distribution. GPL2b is pretty clear on that point. If the : product you make is GOOD, likely it won't require as much service. True On the contrary, if the product you make is good, you are much more likely to have peple who want service, who want further development, who want support. I'm sure you've noticed (as a programmer) that the apps who don't require that are the ones that will be forgotten in six months time. Comparing a program in development (and all are in development, despite your concept of the "optimal program") to a static purchase is a false analogy. : > GNU is the computer world's equivalent of a voluntary community service : club. I'm sure you wouldn't call the Elks or Rotarians communist. GNU : advances the computer world in the same way - by freeing up paid work and : paid time to do original research, to develop, to not spend time : reinventing the wheel. : : BUT IT DOES FORCE PEOPLE IN THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY TO RE-INVENT THE : WHEEL...or forgo all profit on their developments. GPL2b does that : EXPLICITLY. If I could use 100lines of gawk code, intersprinkled in a new : word processor I'm developing for commercial resale, I cannot use that code : because it would make my product commercial not viable, and I end up : re-inventing that code all by myself. If you've ever worked in a programming team, you'll recognize that GNU respects those same organizational rules. Granted, GNU is an open team, but the end result is the same - you have to play by the team's rules to play with the team. If you don't want to join, you don't have to play. To exptend the sports metaphor, you're treating development like : Again, don't get me wrong. GNU is a net plus benefit for humanity, no : doubt. I'm just saying that by dropping the GPL and adopting a scheme more : like the MiscKit, it would do MORE for humanity... And also, that the tone : of the manifesto, and the underlying ideology, seem to me, completely : communist-LIKE... It's no more communist (a misnomer if I've ever heard one: the correct word for the concept that you're trying to describe would be socialist) than any corporate structure. Think of GNU as a company, like IBM or Microsoft. GNU produces software. GNU licenses software. That the software is free or that involvement in the group is voluntary and unpaid is immaterial; GNU, like any company, has decided to retain the rights to its own software. To use GNU software and source you have to be part of GNU, at least from a licensing perspective. Now, that GNU is distributing software for free and for the benefit of all is not a communist ideal, far from it; examples of cooperative and collective development are quite frequent, even today (standards and protocols, for instance, are developped and distributed jointly and freely. many programming languages are developped in concert as well.). In fact, the non-communist ideal that you seem to espouse is a product of the industrial age. There is nothing "communist" about not charging for a product. I believe that your point lies in a distaste for the communal development of programs. And that is a valid point, becuase you have to join the community to profit from the community, but only to a point. Communist theory does stipulate central control of the means of production, though, and this is the antithesis of what GNU is standing for. GNU stands for the programmer, somewhat like an artisan, controlling his or her own means of production (once in the community), instead of GNU directing their research in order to further the goals of the GNU project. I believe that GNU is much more anarchic than communist. Actually, I think that Marx would roll over in his grave to hear you call GNU communist, but that's just me. If you'd like to visualize a truly communist state of affairs, think instead of an oligarchy of computer companies directing their research in concert with each other and squashing all other independent work. That group would form a monopoly through their domination of the industry. All researchers and programmers would work either for or for the benefit of one of the ruling corporations - and hence be absorbed into a collective of sorts. They control the means of production (in that they ar all individual prioducers of wealth) but their production is controlled. That, unfortunately, seems to be what we're heading for today, and I don't think that either of us are terribly keen on the idea. Thanks for starting the discussion, though. It made me think about it. m. --- marco anglesio:anglesio@queensu.ca:cspo.queensu.ca/~anglesio a polar bear is a rectangular bear after a coordinate transform
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Movie.app & text files Date: 24 Nov 1996 00:25:46 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <5784ma$n9b@uuneo.neosoft.com> Everytime I install Movie.app suddenly all my files with the extension ".txt" show up with the movie icon. Edit still opens them when I double click but how can I go back to the default Edit icon for the files without deleting Movie.app? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love, rlove@neosoft.com (local) MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (permanent) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 24 Nov 1996 01:41:00 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57893c$qj3@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> <57830b$1v6@knot.queensu.ca> 3mpa@qlink.queensu.ca (Marco Anglesio) wrote: > John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: > : No, you CANNOT charge for the derived product. You can charge ONLY for > : service or distribution. GPL2b is pretty clear on that point. If the > : product you make is GOOD, likely it won't require as much service. True > On the contrary, if the product you make is good, you are much more likely to have peple who want service, who want further development, who want support. I'm sure you've noticed (as a programmer) that the apps who don't require that are the ones that will be forgotten in six months time. I don't know how else to put this... I'm just at a loss... The money one gets for the product itself, the vast majority of the time, overwhelms any income derived from either distribution or service. GPL2b prevents making money on the product itself. It's just the way it is. > Comparing a program in development (and all are in development, despite your concept of the "optimal program") to a static purchase is a false analogy. That's not what I was comparing...although my incredible inability to communicate over usenet (doggone it) may have mumbled my meaning. I'm not talking of development or not... All I'm saying is what I said above. That if GPL2b prevents the sale of the product itself, it pretty much, in effect, generally speaking, makes the venture a commercial impossibility; without retaining the right to sell the actual product, the venture is generally a commercial impossibility. > If you've ever worked in a programming team, you'll recognize that GNU respects those same organizational rules. Granted, GNU is an open team, but the end result is the same - you have to play by the team's rules to play with the team. If you don't want to join, you don't have to play. True, thankfully GNU cannot force you into membership... Although the manifesto suggest an abolition of all Intellectual Property Rights, particularly copyright...GNU is voluntary, and it's fair that if you want the rewards, you must pay the price. My argument was that GNU would be a better contributor to humanity if it adopted a policy more like MiscKit than the current GPL. > It's no more communist (a misnomer if I've ever heard one: the correct word for the concept that you're trying to describe would be socialist) than any corporate structure. Think of GNU as a company, like IBM or Microsoft. GNU produces software. GNU licenses software. That the software is free or that involvement in the group is voluntary and unpaid is immaterial; GNU, like any company, has decided to retain the rights to its own software. To use GNU software and source you have to be part of GNU, at least from a licensing perspective. Believe it or not, I know the difference between communism and socialism...And I meant what I said. To me, there are clearly communist-LIKE philosophies/ideologies within the GNU manifesto... I detailed specifically the excerpts I thought tended to show such ideologies in a previous post in this thread...I accept that my views are not necessarily shared by all, but I think one must admit, that such portions of the GNU manifesto ARGUABLY can reasonably be interpreted to communist-like in ideology. Now maybe your arguments against it being communist-like are stronger than mine saying they are...and maybe it's just a subjective thing. But to me it is. And the fact that GNU doesn't care if programmers are UNPAID is completely material to the notion of communism, IMO. Under communism people dont get paid, they simply share all property communally...GNU is very much like this. GNU doesn't want to simply be a single company, in the manifesto, it wants ALL software to be part of the communal pool. It wants to be the ultimate monopoly...i.e. in communism the ultimate monopoly, the state is THE monopoly sanctioned by the people. I don't know, I see parallels at every turn...but again, that's just my personal view. > Now, that GNU is distributing software for free and for the benefit of all is not a communist ideal, far from it; examples of cooperative and collective development are quite frequent, even today (standards and protocols, for instance, are developped and distributed jointly and freely. many programming languages are developped in concert as well.). In fact, the non-communist ideal that you seem to espouse is a product of the industrial age. There is nothing "communist" about not charging for a product. No, the fact that GNU wants to STRIP all people of their Intellectual Property Rights, as espoused in the manifesto ad nauseam, and have them owned for all by a central GNU agency IS communist-like. > I believe that your point lies in a distaste for the communal development of programs. And that is a valid point, becuase you have to join the community to profit from the community, but only to a point. Communist theory does stipulate central control of the means of production, though, and this is the antithesis of what GNU is standing for. GNU stands for the programmer, somewhat like an artisan, controlling his or her own means of production (once in the community), instead of GNU directing their research in order to further the goals of the GNU project. I believe that GNU is much more anarchic than communist. Actually, I think that Marx would roll over in his grave to hear you call GNU communist, but that's just me. HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY SAY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNAL DEVELOPMENT! When for this ENTIRE thread I've been espousing the MiscKit! I've been saying, that in my view, the MiscKit way of communal development of software benefits humanity MORE than does the GPL way of doing so. I think things like the MiscKit show some of the BEST things about us as people. I think the GPL is a worse framework for achieving a better world...akin to communism being a failed model. And communism is NOT the antithesis of what GNU stands for, IMO, b/c ALL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS LIE CENTRALLY IN GNU, not with the programmers; to me that sound akin to communism property rights, namely there are none. And as far as Marx is concerned, I think he's rolling over in his grave, b/c the US-capitalist-egalitarian-equity-free market-based society has seemingly disproved his theories by showing there are other models not considered in his societal evolution. Namely that the equity markets accomplish what communal property was supposed to accomplish, but with a competitive incentive to make people more productive...Of course, that's just my personal take on it... > If you'd like to visualize a truly communist state of affairs, think instead of an oligarchy of computer companies directing their research in concert with each other and squashing all other independent work. That group would form a monopoly through their domination of the industry. All researchers and programmers would work either for or for the benefit of one of the ruling corporations - and hence be absorbed into a collective of sorts. They control the means of production (in that they ar all individual prioducers of wealth) but their production is controlled. That, unfortunately, seems to be what we're heading for today, and I don't think that either of us are terribly keen on the idea. To me there is NO difference between a government sanctioned monopoly, as communist theory dictates, squashing people, or that of a single private monopoly doing the same... The are extremes at either end of the spectrum meeting at one place in a ring... The net result is the same. If the GNU manifesto's principles were achieved, there would be NO Intellectual Property Rights, and all programmers would be working for the beneficiaries set out in the manifesto...In practice it would be a mired miserable world much like those of communist regimes. IMO, of course. If you replace the word 'corporation' in your illustration above with 'central agency,' you see it is also the perfect description of life under a centralized power... I abhor either extreme...that of a monopoly (or even oligopoly) structure mushing creativity (much like ms does) or of a central agency 'saving' us all from the monopoly by itself being a monopoly. I believe the MiscKit way of doing things achieves a better balance than does GNU. > Thanks for starting the discussion, though. It made me think about it. Thanks for having the discussion :) It makes me think too :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <kpc@enteract.com> Message-ID: <v01540b01aebd0de7ce80@[207.112.154.79]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:56:13 -0500 From: kpc@enteract.com (Kevin Coffee) Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of this thread, but... John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >I cant see COMPETITION IN ANYWAY WITH IT! If there are no copyrights, >there will be no software industry. There will be some hobbiest doing it >and that is it... And I argue, that an industry motivated by profit will >by and large outperform hobbiest in the number and quality of works... > >Now before you cite some great freeware works by some folks...Think about >what their DAY job is...and how much they get PAID for those day jobs, >allowing them the luxury, to produce such works during their free time. >That DAY job is made possible by strong intellectual property rights. Intellectual property (an oxymoron if there ever was one) and copyright are indeed products of capitalism, and late capitalism at that. They did not always exist, there is no reason to assume that they always will. Intellectual activity was not idle in the centuries before IP and modern law. Neither has scientific discovery been born of a cost-analysis. You may (I'm confident you will) make the argument that IP and copyright have been the motive force in the development of technology and innovation, but you put the cart three miles ahead of the horse. Innovation is born of necessity. IP is simply a way to capitalise innovation _one more time_. To 'skin the ox twice', so to speak. Build your mouse-trap and market it. OK, Now add the caveat that no one may build one like yours without paying you a royalty. That's IP - enforced by law. What does "like yours" mean? Let's hire some lawyers to slug that out. OF COURSE without capitalising IP there would be no "software industry" (another near oxymoron, despite the metaphorical names of various IDEs). Look at Microsoft. It is a chronical of remarketing others' programming and making huge sums of money by dint of IP laws and near-monopoly control of markets. MS Windows still pretty much sucks. and so does red-baiting. But to argue that IP drives innovation is an example of McLaughlin Group wisdom. cheers, K e v i n C o f f e e / d i f f w e r k s <diffwerk@enteract.com> <kpc@enteract.com> /* Zap all those zombies! */ /* If we get to here, then there are no X events waiting to be processed. * Just take a moment to check for dead children. */ ReapChildren(); - commented routine in NetBSD-1.1 reminiscent of Jim Morrison circa 1969
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9611231636.AA00583@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 17:36:43 +0100 Subject: Q: Does Matrox Mystique 2MB run with the NeXT Matrox Driver f. NS 3.3? Hi there, does anybody have the Matrox Mystique running under NEXTSTEP 3.3 or OPENSTEP 4.0 with the NeXT driver (NeXTanswer #2334) ?? Pls. send me an e-mail as I do not access this newsgroup to often. Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 --- REAL Computing is black! stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail, MIME and ASCII) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***** PGP key available on request - pretty soon !! *****
From: jacob@dannug.dk (Jacob Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: 21 Nov 1996 13:58:19 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <571n5r$h3@jnext.dannug.dk> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> Cc: robin@pswtech.com In <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> Robin Wilson wrote: > Subject pretty much says it all... I need to use a Windows font in NEXTSTEP. > If the Windows users save a file using this font as an "eps" image, I get a > different font. I need to get their font on my machine so I can create an > image of the file we are working on that can be used by NEXTSTEP users (the > file is a corporate logo). > > Any help? FontConvert.app (free) by Frank Seigert should be able to help you. From the readme: This program converts Type1 fonts from the Macintosh LWFN, MSDOS PFB, plain PFA and some TrueType formats to the NeXT font (PFA) format. In the process it calculates the AFM file out of the font information and installs the font in your system. Also, there's MagicType.app ($149, info@cube.de) which also converts the screenfont files, kerning pair information and encoding vectors. Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen PGP-keyID: 1F0F3839 Email (NeXT, MIME and SUN) jacob@dannug.dk My home page http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 24 Nov 1996 04:36:43 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <578jcr$s2k@news3.digex.net> References: <v01540b01aebd0de7ce80@[207.112.154.79]> kpc@enteract.com (Kevin Coffee) wrote: > Intellectual property (an oxymoron if there ever was one) and copyright are indeed products of capitalism, and late capitalism at that. They did not always exist, there is no reason to assume that they always will. Well, until someone repeals the US Constitution, I feel safe. > Intellectual activity was not idle in the centuries before IP and modern law. Neither has scientific discovery been born of a cost-analysis. > You may (I'm confident you will) make the argument that IP and copyright have been the motive force in the development of technology and innovation, but you put the cart three miles ahead of the horse. Innovation is born of necessity. IP is simply a way to capitalise innovation _one more time_. To 'skin the ox twice', so to speak. I posit, that if we moved only on necessity, we wouldn't move much at all, especially in the modern world of comfort. Is it NECESSARY to build a bridge over a river, when I could just boat over? Is it NECESSARY to go to the moon? Is it necessary to study things like quarks and black holes? Is it necessary to study fusion? No, a lot of things aren't necessary, but they certainly are profitable... And THAT is what spurs on innovation at a faster pace. You know why the cart is three miles ahead of the horse? Because it has a V8, four valves per cylinder, intercooled engine driving it with the force of 300 horses, that's why... And you know why? Cause there's money in it. Ideas, creativity, innovation, and progress will slow w/o intellectual property. > Build your mouse-trap and market it. OK, Now add the caveat that no one may build one like yours without paying you a royalty. That's IP - enforced by law. What does "like yours" mean? Let's hire some lawyers to slug that out. OK, let's have it your way instead. Spend your life time building the better mousetrap, or let's say the phone. Then you do so, and since there is no such thing, a million other guys do it, and so you make no money and die poor and penniless. And why, cause someone thinks it's too 'hard' to figure out what "like yours" means. Personally, I'm glad that the US government bothered to make explicit what like yours means, and that the courts bother to review such disputes. Just throwing your hands up and saying "it's too hard to figure out" would leave the world almost zero innovation to create things like the phone. > OF COURSE without capitalising IP there would be no "software industry" (another near oxymoron, despite the metaphorical names of various IDEs). Look at Microsoft. It is a chronical of remarketing others' programming and making huge sums of money by dint of IP laws and near-monopoly control of markets. You may be sarcastic, but you're also right. If there was no protection for programs, there would be no software industry...nothing like we have...it would be full of hobbiests at best. Profit is the best motivator for innovation... Though you wouldn't know it w/ ms. The problem with ms, however, is not one of IP property rights, but of antitrust. microsoft's dint has to do with ANTITRUST law, not IP. There's a pretty big difference...It's so different in fact, that people made up whole different kind of law for copyright and antitrust...different kinds of lawyers practice it and everything... Abuse of market power can occur in any arena...not just software. For instance, the railroad companies of long ago, employed anti-competitive practices, in part leveraging their vast property interests to do so... If so, should we take away corporations right to own property?!? It's not the property right that was the problem, it was the anti-competitive practices. Furthermore, I don't have a problem with ANYONE making huge sums of money when earned. As a matter of fact, that's kinda the American way. Furthermore, a Monopoly is not illegal, nor is it necessarily evil. Of course the converse is true, that a monopoly is not necessarily good either. It all depends on the conduct. Is the monopoly doing anti-competitive things...that's bad and violates antitrust laws. FURTHERMORE, microsoft did NOT re-market others programming!!!! They didn't just steal code from someone else's app and use it...that's illegal (and when they did, they got beat up for it...like stacker). Of course, they are free to buy other people's works and re-market it like that...but such things are based on IP property rights. Moreover, they are allowed to re-implement ideas that others have... There is NO protection for an idea. Only for an implementation. So no one can patent or copyright a GUI... So ms is free to implement it's own version... Now it's a whole entire thread of what the heck is wrong with our antitrust laws and agencies...why they arent smacking ms around like they should...all I can say is, I agree that they should be doing A LOT more. But again, that is an antitrust issue, not IP. > MS Windows still pretty much sucks. I cannot agree more. > and so does red-baiting. Says who? You? Who am I persecuting? The GPL? GOOD. I'll sleep just fine knowing I'm persecuting a licensing scheme which could be improved. IT'S JUST AMAZING TO ME... Everyone seems to take it for granted that the GPL must be just PERFECT since GNU does good work. That it's impossible that there could be a better scheme of doing things than the GPL. That things like the MiscKit cannot possibly implement a better licensing scheme that increases overall donations/contributions and helps humanity more. No, it's a forgone conclusion that nothing can possibly be better than the GPL. It's the best of all time. Fine, you know what... Good. I'm glad you're happy with it. I'm glad everyone involved with GNU thinks it can be no better. Good...use it for all time, I'll still sleep at nights. No need to even CONSIDER there may be a better way of doing things. There is only one true way. GPL forever. > But to argue that IP drives innovation is an example of McLaughlin Group wisdom. To argue the converse is to shut your eyes to the realities and lessons of history. -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 24 Nov 1996 06:40:14 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <578qke$pvv@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> <57830b$1v6@knot.queensu.ca> <57893c$qj3@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) Okay, that's it. I can live with this _endless_ thread, on a topic almost completely irrelevant to things NeXTy, rehashing arguments so hoary that I've forgotten the answers to most of them, crossposted from c.s.n.advocacy to a real group in violation of the guidelines, with a single poster spewing over half the verbiage, and refusing to *take it to email* no matter how boring and repetitive it gets. What I can no longer abide is your vapid little canned sign-off. It's starting to resemble the Chinese water torture. Later, John. Much, MUCH later. Please. ``I rejoice that there are owls. +------------------------------------+ Let them do the idiotic and maniacal | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 | hooting for men.'' | jburton@nwu.edu | -- Henry David Thoreau +------------------------------------+
From: blazek@clunix.cl.msu.edu (Rudolf B Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is your WordPerfect Date/Version? (Re: WordPerfect problem) Date: 24 Nov 1996 08:17:09 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <5790a5$1hoq@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Timothy Luoma (luomat@peak.org) wrote: : On 22 Nov 1996, Randy Jackson wrote: : > Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:38:35 GMT : > : > I have Version 1.01, dated March 18, 1984. I seem to recall having : > the problem you identify, but with an earlier version. What is the : > date on yours? : > : is that 1984 or 1994? : Is this a MAB version? If so, I'd like to get a copy. : I've got a MAB version of 10 June 1993.... : TjL I'd be interested too. Rudy.
From: Salvo@AccessOne .COM (Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 24 Nov 1996 04:02:50 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <578hda$m0g@kanga.accessone.com> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <56vaqg$kv8@panix.com> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961120172357.27310C-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961120172357.27310C-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > True enough, Fiend is also on my "must-have" page.... Fiend hides the > icons of the apps I launch with LaunchBar, and gives me a shelf and a > background image.... > > They work very well together, wouldn't want to be without either... Although I'm comfortable with a multi-layered Fiend shelf, consisting of categories of apps and files, LaunchBar sounds like it's worth a try-on. -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 18:21:20 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <577fb0$ott@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> <576avf$q9f@news.acns.nwu.edu> jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > Don't communists have the same right to be selfish as capitalists? Suppose I don't _want_ to help humanity, but only that subset of humanity that is willing to work around the GPL. I can easily see a programmer feeling that he'd like to make his code widely available to fellow-travelers, but would rather destroy his own code than let _you_ make money by taking foul advantage of his goodwill. Why shouldn't the law protect such a person's copyleft just as forcefully as it protects Bill Gates's copyright? I suppose communists can have the same right... But it kinda goes against communist dogma... In the extreme sense of communism, there are NO possessions, so there ought to be no selfishness. But I think your point is right, that they ought to have the same right. Fine, they do. What I find ironic, in this case, the MiscKit (more capitalistic model) is less selfish than the communist one. What you are saying great, but you miss one thing... "Suppose ____I____ dont' want to help, humanity, but only that subset..." That's fine, but note, YOU do have the initial Intellectual Property Right to decide in the first place if and to whom you want to give that right up to. The GNU manifesto doesn't like the fact that you have that right in the first place. I think you are completely right...that if you do like the way GPL gives to a subset, and you decide, your wishes have been met/satisfied perfectly. I won't argue that. > Oh, but you'd like him to _voluntarily_ give up this protection. Well, why should he? What's in it for him? I cannot see him giving up protection? I guess you see the world being protected by not letting companies use source...ok, that's one view, so for you the GPL is just what you want... I think humanity as a whole suffers with that view when compared to the MiscKit view... Namely, there are lots of GOOD companies... True, they make money in part (touch wood, I pray they do) on MiscKit work, but they also contribute BACK to MiscKit, significantly...thereby all of humanity benefits more than would under the GPL scheme. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 23 Nov 1996 18:29:59 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <577fr7$al7@news.bctel.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> I must be missing something here...... I thought the original intention of GNU was to provide an Openstep OS to the masses for free, in order to create a large user base so that programmers could return to the table and profit from their own apps under this superior OS. What's this crap about working around the clock on some app and then being forced to give up the code......ridiculous. This logic may even force some programmers to develop Win 95/NT apps!!!!
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 18:55:15 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <577haj$ott@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <qdenhn1a6z.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qd917u26b7.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: > A very nice analogy. Recall that you're trying to call the principles of the entire GNU framework into question simply on the basis of one document, written by one man, who was watching something he loved get torn apart. That's a lot like reading the Declaration of Independence and deciding that all American policies must be based on pissed-off anarchism. (Hmmm...that may be true...) > I don't think so, but I'm willing to be corrected. Well, I think GPL2b does a pretty darn good job of embodying the principles set out in the manifesto...just as I think the constitution does a pretty good job of embodying the principles set out in the Declaration of Independence... But that's just my view of things. I could be wrong :) > Now, since OTTR is probably using MiscKit unmodified, do you want to compare apples to apples? Commercial houses distributing GNU software in their systems either compartmentalized or without modification? NeXT, DEC, SGI, BSDI, many Linux distributors, ... Well, Don has told me that there ARE companies that used MiscKit, and made modifications. Some generously donated the modifications back into the misckit; note 1) they didn't have to but did, 2) that they only gave back portions but didn't have to give out ALL their source code. Even if NO companies actually took advantage of using MiscKit source, the salient point (for me anyway) is that they CAN use MiscKit source WITHOUT having to give up a property right in the software they are working on...as GPL2b requires. > And, if you spent 17 months writing software, I think you deserve to make every penny you can off of it. I'm just not convinced you deserve to make every penny you can off of code *I* spent 17 months writing, though. Well that's fair...and if you don't want others to profit from your work...great, GPL2b is PERFECT for you. Now I think it's debatable if the GPL way or the MiscKit way is more beneficial for all of humanity. I tend to think we have a net gain in donations and work using the MiscKit way; even if people make money on MiscKit works... But note, the GNU manifesto, has a distaste for your *I*...It doesn't want you to have the choice in the FIRST instance of what to do with your property right. Where the US Constitution, most countries, and the Berne Convention does want you to have that property right. > > Yes there is. You CANNOT interweave GNU source into your app and > > sell it. You can charge to distribute it or service it... > Um, charging to distribute it *is* selling it... No it's not. Charging to distribute is making money off the DISTRIBUTION. Yes a sale is made, but you are not selling __it___, the __it__ being the product itself. That is EXPRESSLY forbidden by GPL2b. And all the real power to make money is in selling __it__ the product. You can charge $250 bux for a really good app... If you only have the right to distribute, not many people will pay $250 for a CD containing a program that they can download for FREE off the internet. > > Yes, exactly, companies CAN lock their software. > Then why did you say MiscKit would prevent this? :-) I didn't, MiscKit EMPOWERS/ENABLES/ALLOWS companies (or individuals) using the MiscKit to keep their source to themselves. They do not HAVE to give back to the kit if they don't want to. They keep their property right. They may donate back if they so choose. Many do choose to do so... But they don't have to, and that makes their work commercially viable. What I said was locked away, was anything donated to GNU. Once under GPL2b, it's locked and property of GNU. GPL2b works as a virus (when interweaving source) to lock all works under GNU... Lock in what sense...lock them away from many commercially viable uses... In that context... > Not if those 400 lines of code are under the LGPL. None of the MiscKit uses GNU work, as far as I know. You DO NOT have to release any source code when using the MiscKit, you do with GNU. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Message-ID: <1996Nov23.142529.884@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Cc: luomat@peak.org Organization: Disorganization References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122090603.20384D-100000@kira> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:25:29 GMT In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122090603.20384D-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > I really have to learn Emacs one day..... anyone have a "Emacs for > Dummies" reference out there? The key combinations have been what always > stopped me from getting a hang of it before... > After you learned emacs and the millions of elisp-tools, you don't want any other programming environment. You just need the following keys to get started: ^HI - Read online doku (easy as netscape) ^X^C - get out of emacs Learning by doing is the correct way to master emacs. No need to buy expensive books. -- ----- Thomas Funke ----------------------- thomas@gamelan.shnet.org ----- C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Adding fonts to Next packages (Frame, Edit or OpenWrite ) Date: 23 Nov 1996 19:18:23 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <577ilv$afq@news.istar.ca> References: <572tia$7hp@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <E1A8By.8G@nidat.sub.org> In-Reply-To: <E1A8By.8G@nidat.sub.org> ISTR that FrameMaker used to be particularly picky about having the "afm", "bitmap", and "outline" subdirectories set up. Here's a Perl script for automating the process that seems to work for me. (Pardon the poor coding, it's the only Perl script I've ever written.) You must specify the full pathname of the font directory you want to set up. For example, if you save this script as "finstall", you would execute it as "finstall /NextLibrary/Fonts" or "finstall /LocalLibrary/Fonts". ----- #!/usr/bin/perl $fontDir = shift(@ARGV); &usageError("Error: No font directory specified") unless $fontDir; &usageError("Error: Font directory does not exist") unless -e $fontDir; &usageError("Error: Font path is not a directory") unless -d $fontDir; &usageError("Error: Font directory is read protected") unless -r $fontDir; &usageError("Error: Font directory is write protected") unless -w $fontDir; chdir $fontDir; $afmDir = "afm"; $bitmapDir = "bitmap"; $outlineDir = "outline"; -d $afmDir || mkdir($afmDir, 0755) || &usageError("Error: Cannot create AFM subdirectory"); -d $bitmapDir || mkdir($bitmapDir, 0755) || &usageError("Error: Cannot create bitmap subdirectory"); -d $outlineDir || mkdir($outlineDir, 0755) || &usageError("Error: Cannot create outline subdirectory"); opendir(FONTDIR, '.') || &usageError("Error: Cannot open general font directory \"$fontDir\""); @filenames = readdir(FONTDIR); closedir(FONTDIR); for (@filenames) { next unless /\.font$/; $oneFontDir = $_; next unless -d $oneFontDir; opendir(ONEFONTDIR, $oneFontDir) || (print "Warning: Cannot open individual font directory \"$oneFontDir\"\n" && next); @fontFilenames = readdir(ONEFONTDIR); closedir(ONEFONTDIR); print "Installing individual font \"$oneFontDir\"...\n"; for (@fontFilenames) { if (/\.afm$/) { chdir $afmDir; -e || symlink("../$oneFontDir/$_", $_) || print "Warning: Cannot link AFM for \"$oneFontDir\"\n"; chdir '..'; } if (/\.bepf$/) { chdir $bitmapDir; -e || symlink("../$oneFontDir/$_", $_) || print "Warning: Cannot link bitmap for \"$oneFontDir\"\n"; chdir '..'; } if ($oneFontDir =~ /(.*).font$/) { if ($1 eq $_) { chdir $outlineDir; -e || symlink("../$oneFontDir/$_", $_) || print "Warning: Cannot link outline for \"$oneFontDir\"\n"; chdir '..'; } } } } print "Generating AFM information...\n"; system ("buildafmdir $fontDir"); system ("cacheAFMData $fontDir"); sub usageError { local($error) = @_; print $error, "\n"; print "Usage: $0 <font-directory>\n"; exit; } ----- -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -=- jsamson@istar.ca -=- NeXTmail & MIME welcome -============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul/ -=============- -===================================================================-
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WordPerfect problem Date: 23 Nov 1996 19:25:55 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <577j43$4g6@news.asu.edu> References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> <574dtb$lfe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Of course we all know that you meant 1994. The problem as another poster pointed out is the version of NS you are running and the version of WP you have. At teh moment, I don't have the last version release date and number on-hand, but I am running it on a NSTC ADB running NS 3.3. Even though you were not specific enough about the configuration you have, I suspect that what you are experiencing are ADB related. If you were using this with an older keyboard and if I recall correctly, you would not run into this problem. Solution, obtain the last or next to last release(June '93?) if you can or change keyboards. Good Luck! Randy Jackson (randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : On 11/18/96, Chris Christensen wrote: : >Greetings, : > : > I have WordPerfect v. 1.01 on my NeXT station. Whenever I : >underline a word the word is replaced with "^A". Whenever I bold a : word it : >is replaced with "1". The other functions seem to work fine. Is : this a : >bug? : > : >Thanks, : >Chris <cchris@hooked.net> : > : I have Version 1.01, dated March 18, 1984. I seem to recall having : the problem you identify, but with an earlier version. What is the : date on yours? : Randy : -- : Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o : __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, : _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | : (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, : FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed Date: 23 Nov 96 13:10:51 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov23131051@howard.one.net> References: <56v961$fg5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <570d7i$12s@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <ImZA25q00UzxI2A381@andrew.cmu.edu> <vrotneyE19Kz2.DBu@netcom.com> <576q44$2pm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In-reply-to: pb141@columbia.edu's message of 23 Nov 1996 12:19:16 GMT In article <576q44$2pm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> pb141@columbia.edu writes: On 11/21/96, William Paul Vrotney wrote: ... but most likely you can do all this from Emacs with even fewer keystrokes... Possibly, but you first have to use the mouse to make Emacs key. Command-space gets you LaunchBar no matter which app is active. If you're a _real_ emacs user, Emacs is already key, so you don't even need the Command-space :-). [I'm not a real emacs user. I just figured I'd try to be first tossing that response out.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: ancar@mindspring.com (Andrea Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: nextstep on a Pentium Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 04:28:24 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <579t3m$4et@camel0.mindspring.com> I am interested in installing NextStep on a pentium laptop. From the little I have read on the OS it seems to be quite robust and small (around 80Mb). I want to know how much the CD-Rom costs and the requirements for installing this OS. Will anyone with this information please send me e-mail. Thankyou.
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 23 Nov 1996 14:47:01 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <577kbl$f0h@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net> <5730el$28n@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fvj$ott@news4.digex.net> In article <577fvj$ott@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) wrote: > > That is true of applications under the GPL. However, it seems like some > of the examples used here, like the MiscKit, would fall under the LGPL. If > the MiscKit were under the LGPL, then anyone who modified or added classes > to the MiscKit would have to release them, but they would be perfectly free > to utilize the MiscKit (unmodified or not) in their million-line app or > whatever without having to release the source to their entire app. The > LGPL only applies when modifying the library itself, not to using it. > (Although if you use it, you may have to distribute the LGPL'd library > source along with your app's binary.) > As far as I know, NONE of the misckit falls under ANY part of the GNU... > GNU was avoided PURPOSEFULLY to avoid the GPL2b. I never said otherwise. I said "if the MiscKit were under the LGPL ..." > You can use MiscKit > source, interwoven and modified throughout your app, and NEVER have to > release ANY sources...just put a thank you to MiscKit in the info panel. I am aware of the MiscKit license. My point was that IF the MiscKit under the GPL, it would fall under the LPGL, and no one would have to release the source to their entire application by using it. They would have to release the source of their application if they interwove the library into their code, as you keep suggesting. But I don't buy it. In my experience, one rarely needs to rip pieces out of a well-constructed library and interweave them into code (though of course it could be handy at times). Witness all the commercial libraries for which binaries only are available. If everyone was depending on being able to interweave source code, they could never be commercially successful. And I think that it's only fair that if you make an improvement on a library that people have slaved over for conceivably hundreds or even thousands of man-hours, out of pure generosity and usually with no pay, the least you could do is to release your modifications so that others might benefit from them. Thus, we have an evolutionary improvement in software, when improvements are required to be released so that all may benefit and further improve them. The upwards spiral may be slow at times, but at least it does not come to a halt when code is locked away behind closed doors. Releasing your modifications is not usually a big problem for LGPL'ed libraries. After all, people who use libraries do not usually make their money off just selling improved versions of the libraries, and that is not really why people write the libraries in the first place. Usually, people improve the library to make it work better or do something that they need it to do that it couldn't do before, _to help them in writing some other product_. Distributing your modifications doesn't really hurt your commercial product, since the product is not just the modifications themselves, but an application built around the (modified) GNU code. P.S. Don't you think it's time to move this whole thread over to gnu.misc.discuss? It contains nothing related to NEXTSTEP except for occasional references to the MiscKit, and those are only to its license. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Joost Backus <joostb@plex.nl> Subject: Next Developer NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <32988DAB.D71@plex.nl> Sender: news@plex.nl (Usenet News) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Plex -- a public access Internet provider Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:02:20 GMT Hi How can I upgrade CHEAPLY from NS dev to Openstep dev for NT ? -- Joost Backus Nassaustraat 57 5911 BT Venlo The Netherlands Phone 31-77-3200035
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Good 'draw' software ? Date: 24 Nov 96 17:47:45 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> Can somebody recommend a good drawing package for NeXTstep? I've seen plenty of graphics manipulation stuff, but no drawing packages. I really just need to make basic shapes, do some rotation, etc... -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com My cat failed the Turing test miserably.
From: friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca (Michael Friendly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc Subject: Perl5.002 or later for NeXT m68k?? Date: 24 Nov 1996 18:54:14 GMT Organization: York University, Ontario, Canada Message-ID: <57a5km$gnk@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> I'm running NS 3.0 on m68k. I retrieved the Perl.5002.NIHS package contributed by TipTop from the Munich NeXT ftp site. Since I depend heavily on perl, I decided to look inside the package before installing it. The pre-install looked a bit strange, so I made bakups of my /usr/local/bin/perl and /usr/local/lib/perl5. When I ran the installer, I got: /private/tmp/O_perl.5002.NIHS_b/Perl.pkg can't be installed because it does not contain all of the files in the Perl.pkg package. You should install it directly from the original floppies. and in the log view: Installing Perl.pkg into /usr/local ... Running installation program ... Checking if /LocalDeveloper/Libraries and /usr/local/lib are the same directory. /private/tmp/.Perl.tmp/Perl.pre_install: expr: not found /private/tmp/.Perl.tmp/Perl.pre_install: expr: not found /private/tmp/.Perl.tmp/Perl.pre_install: mkdirs: not found /private/tmp/.Perl.tmp/Perl.pre_install: ln: not found Creating symlink /LocalDeveloper/Libraries --> /usr/local/lib /private/tmp/.Perl.tmp/Perl.pre_install: basename: not found /private/tmp/.Perl.tmp/Perl.pre_install: expr: not found .. errors. Is there any way to install this beast? Does anyone have perl 5.002 or later configured for m68k, NS 3.0? [When I installed 5.001, I was unable to make dynamic loading, posix, and several other things work.] -Michael -- Michael Friendly Internet: friendly@hotspur.psych.yorku.ca (NeXTmail OK) Psychology Dept York University Voice: 416 736-5118 Fax: 416 736-5814 4700 Keele Street http://www.math.yorku.ca/SCS/friendly.html Toronto, ONT M3J 1P3 CANADA
From: acr246@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ".Snd" to ".Wav" NS Date: 24 Nov 1996 19:05:12 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <57a698$s1b@news.asu.edu> Keywords: Sound Format Conversion Greeting All! I am wondering how one can convert a ".snd" file to a ".wav" file? I am running NEXTSTEP 3.3 and have teh following programs - Resound 2.4, GISO 3.3, and Edit Sound 2.2. GISO is the only one that appears to have this feature, but when I try and do it, I receive an error message and the conversion is not performed. In fact, here is what the program gives me when I try and perform this conversion: Ready... /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd used as input sox -V -t snd /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd -t wav /tmp/GISOa000300.snd sox: Found Sun/NeXT magic word sox: Input file /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd: Sun header info: sox: Input file: using sample rate 8012 size bytes, style u-law, 1 channel sox: Input file: comment "" sox: Output file: using sample rate 8012 size bytes, style unsigned, 1 channel sox: Output file: comment "" Done. Could not load resultant sound. Can anybody offer suggestions as to how this can be done? Thanks a bunch!
From: "David McDougall" <mgf00004@teleline.es> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.services,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.software.config-mgmt,comp.software.international,comp.software.licensing,comp.software-eng,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.software,cu.cs.systems+software,chinese.comp.s Subject: Movie Screensavers Date: 23 Nov 1996 03:40:38 GMT Organization: PROSACA INTERNATIONAL Inc. Message-ID: <01bbd8f0$3ece9fe0$8335e0c2@futuro1> -- FUTUROCOM - PROSACA Telecommunication WORLDWIDE AGENT OPERATOR Look out for; SPECIAL MEMBERSHIP PROGRAMME for FUTURO COMMUNICATIONS http://www.gldb.com/htm/FEG00001.htm http://www.gldb.com/htm/PRO00001.htm http://www.gldb.com/htm/FTQG00001.htm Infosites: http://www.webspawner.com/users/PROSACA/ http://www.webspawner.com/users/FUTUROQUEST/ Independent & Sovereign Nation State of Hawai'i http://www.aloha.net/nation/ Our Offices: Tel&Fax Spain HQ:+34-5-217 06 12 Internet: prosaca@redestb.es mgf00004@redestb.es Tel&Fax U.K.HQ-EU+44-1772-623-526Internet: futurocom@redestb.es seeking new friends world-wide. Don't miss the boat because you do not believe in it. THOUGH TIMES NEVER LAST TOUGH PEOPLE DO. http://www.gldb.com/htm/FEG00001.htm // http://www.gldb.com/htm/PRO00001.htm http://www.gldb.com/htm/FTQG00001.htm
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 24 Nov 1996 19:26:01 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57a7g9$45r@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <5733f5$vdg@Vir.com> stefanos@Vir.com (Stefanos Kiakas) wrote: > Yes this is correct. How can we modify the license so that the person who develops the software is allowed to continue to get paid for it as he introduces new features. Well, I would look to the MiscKit, and other such entities that use a similiar licensing scheme for help... May modify them up a bit...make things a little more explicit. I mean the best thing is to get all the important people at GNU together and have them work through what THEY want the licensing to be...they may very well still believe that they want things to work as in the GPL and well, that is that. However, if they do come to a different consensus, they might get a lawyer to donate his time to whip up a new GPL that embodies something more like the MiscKit's licensing scheme. Finally, if you're speaking about how can you and others start something like the GPL, yet get around GPL2b things...well, my best suggestion would be to just put in a statement saying how you do or don't want it used... I'd work up a document to the effect of MiscKit for people to use, but until I pass the bar, it's illegal for me to do so... :( But afterwards, I'd be happy to donate my time... -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 24 Nov 1996 19:33:39 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57a7uj$45r@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573dif$63d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > We distribute source for our shipping NS product which, including its database schema and extensive non-GUI UNIX database client utilities, licenses for over $100,000 for 4 seats. Seems like a lot of financial incentive to rip our code off, but, you know, people are too busy doing what they do, so no one is ripping us off. By the time they've figured out what's happening with our code, we've moved far ahead, so they're ahead by licensing from us. So you mean, that anyone can copy your code (i.e. it's affected by GPL2b) and put it on the net for free, and they are paying $100,000 for it!?!?!? Aye, you're a better business man than I... ;) > I don't think you credit good commercial customers with enough honesty, but then I'm not from New York :-) Um, honesty :) Do you tell them they could get if for free before you sell it to them for $100,000 :) Let's not throw stones :) > You may. But you must distribute source so that others may build on the foundation laid by GNU and you. Hmm, sounds like a great system for enhancing software quality. But I must relinquish control of those sources so that ANYONE may use them freely. Why would someone pay me money for my product, when by GPL2b they are entitled to it for free? > Why don't you share your code with others and also make a buck? Others may improve your code and all will benefit. Because if I am FORCED to give out my code to all for free, as I am by GPL2b, there is no reason why others will pay me for my app, and I won't make a buck. Now under the MiscKit, I am free not to divulge ALL my source, and may choose to give back portions that I improved upon...thereby benefiting future MiscKit users and not jeopardizing my commercial stake in my product. To me, it's clearly a superior scheme to that of the GPL. -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: HP ScanJet 4C TWAIN Driver? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:41:25 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3298CF12.26C3@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <akim-2111962309400001@mfs-annex1-p3.dsphere.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Kim wrote: > > Where can I find twain device for NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP for mach? > I would like to use my HP Scanner with Lighthouse WetPaint. > But I just can not find way to scan it. > HELP! Yes. You can use the ScanOmatic.2.3 with your scaner. Supports Scaners: HP ScanJet: II, IIc, IIcx, IIp, 3c/4c Umax: UG80, UC300, UC630, UC840, UC1200S, UC1260, VISTA S6, VISTA S8, PS2400 PowerLook, T630 EPSON: GT-6000, GT-9000(verified), 300,600,800,1000,4000,6500,8000(not tested) HSD: color, mono XRS: RSU-1, x-ray scanner Oce: G60XX and G60XX-S series AGFA: Arcus II NIKON: FS-1000 slide scanner RICOH: IS410, IS420 A3 large size Bell+Howell: 4000 F, 5000 F A3 large size For more Infomation: interpersonal-computing GmbH ++49 (0) 89-219975. info@ipc.de http://www.ipc.de/ ftp: ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Commercial/hardware/scanner/ScanOmatic.2.3.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/demos/graphics/ScanOmatic.2.3.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Commercial/hardware/scanner/ScanOcopy.1.3.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/demos/graphics/ScanOcopy.1.3.NIHS.b.tar.gz YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Try Cedar Word - it is *very good* !!! Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:28:14 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3298DA01.1FFE@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <5757er$fsf@news.tuwien.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. The CedarWord is good word processor and I introduced it to the Korean NEXTSTEP users through my NEXTSTEP News page. http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/News/96_11_23_1.html http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/hot.html But, the Korean NEXTSTEP users using NEXTSTEP 3.3 Japaness version with Korean Font Pakacge and the peoples are want to using 2-byte input in the CedarWord, Notebook, Openwrite, Pencil Me In 2.0... YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Good 'draw' software ? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:06:26 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3298D4EA.216C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jon klein wrote: > > Can somebody recommend a good drawing package for NeXTstep? I've seen plenty > of graphics manipulation stuff, but no drawing packages. I really just > need to make basic shapes, do some rotation, etc... > > -- > -jon klein > jklein@freon.artificial.com > My cat failed the Turing test miserably. Check out the following softwares: Create 4.0 for OpenStep http://www.stone.com/Create_OpenStep_Info.html SuperDraw 4 http://www.impact.com/Products/SuperDraw/index.html YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: katz@cs.millersv.edu (Beth Katz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: CD mounting order Date: 23 Nov 1996 21:29:19 GMT Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania Message-ID: <577qbf$512@jake.esu.edu> Yvan Herreros (herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr) wrote: > When I insert such a CD in my NeXT slab's CDROM drive, it's > automatically mounted as a PC filesystem. I would be interested > in accessing the mac part (EPS files are there, instead of BMP > files for PC). NEXTSTEP decides how to mount a CD based on the order of the files in /usr/filesystems. That's not the alphabetical order as seen by ls, but the actual order in the directory file. I also wanted to see the Mac version before the DOS version, so I ... - su'ed to root - created a new directory - copied the file system descriptions to my new directory in the order I wanted them recognized (Mac, cdaudio, CDROM, DOS) - moved /usr/filesystems to a safe place (/usr/filesystems.old) - renamed my created directory /usr/filesystems - I don't remember if I had to logout and restart the Workspace This also lets Executor grab the CD if it's running. Otherwise, I sometimes had NEXTSTEP grabbing the CD as a DOS CD before Executor could get it. However, when I was seeing my clip art CD as a DOS CD, I could still see the Mac files. I didn't see the resource forks. But you don't really see the resource forks when you view it as a Mac CD either unless you use Executor. (I'm not 100% certain of this.) I don't know that just seeing it as a Mac CD will help if you can't see the EPS files when it is a DOS CD. I can see the BMP files when I read the CD as a Mac CD. I'm using a NeXT mono slab with a NeXT CD-ROM drive and OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach. To run *some* Mac software, I use Executor (www.ardi.com). I've been having some success dragging BMP versions of clip art into WetPaint, doing any modifications there (generally deleting backgrounds), saving as TIFF, and using the pictures in PasteUp. Your mileage will probably vary. Beth Katz katz@cs.millersv.edu http://cs.millersv.edu/~katz
From: johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu (John B. Friedman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Next WP problem Date: 24 Nov 1996 23:55:31 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <57an9j$ctu@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I have files in WP for Next which on occasion I try to transfer to a DOS disk and thence to WP for Windows. This will often work, but ever so often no matter how short the Next file title, I got the message "invalid argument." What does this mean and how can I be sure to transfer the files each time without this error message? Thanks very much and please reply to me privately. John B. Friedman
From: Romain Eude <ROM1.E2@prodigy.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: What's best ? start on Next Cube or Next Station ? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:28:31 -0500 Organization: Self-made Man Message-ID: <3298AFEF.3B50@prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 23 years old, I am a french Engineer, just arrived in the USA, 1 month ago. I intend to look for a Next machine to buy because it has been a dream for years. I would like to purchase a Next machine to discover why it is said to be one of the best comp ever build. I would like to discover programming on it (I know C, C++, PROLOG, PASCAL) as I have heard it is particulary enjoyable. I don't really know what config to buy, where to buy it, and what soft to request to achieve my expectations. Cold anyone brief/advice me in that quest ? Are there WWW where I could find general info on next machine, development environnement, soft so that I can quickly recover my lack of knowledge ? Regards and thank you. Romain.
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Monitor power-off screen saver... where? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:15:11 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3298D6F6.1CF8@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <01bbd911$39403040$9ab08ccc@opus.dreams.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zacharias J. Beckman wrote: > I anyone aware of a screen saver module (preferably that works with the > login panel as well as logged-in accounts) which will power-off an energy > star compliant power saving monitor? This would be for OPENSTEP 4.0... > --- > Zacharias J. Beckman - zac@dreams.com - 310-822-1583 vox, 822-0163 fax > 520 Washington Boulevard, Suite #339, Marina del Rey, California 90292 > http://www.dreams.com I Also want the screen saver module supports an energy star compliant monitor like Sony monitor...others... YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: Romain Eude <ROM1.E2@prodigy.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: what best to start Next Cube or Station ? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:31:24 -0500 Organization: Self-made Man Message-ID: <3298B09C.5D6B@prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 23 years old, I am a french Engineer, just arrived in the USA, 1 month ago. I intend to look for a Next machine to buy because it has been a dream for years. I would like to purchase a Next machine to discover why it is said to be one of the best comp ever build. I would like to discover programming on it (I know C, C++, PROLOG, PASCAL) as I have heard it is particulary enjoyable. I don't really know what config to buy, where to buy it, and what soft to request to achieve my expectations. Cold anyone brief/advice me in that quest ? Are there WWW where I could find general info on next machine, development environnement, soft so that I can quickly recover my lack of knowledge ? Regards and thank you. Romain.
From: randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is your WordPerfect Date/Version? (Re: WordPerfect problem) Date: 24 Nov 1996 23:47:07 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <57ampr$r4g@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> <574dtb$lfe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122144420.29761A-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122144420.29761A-100000@kira> On 11/22/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: >On 22 Nov 1996, Randy Jackson wrote: > >> Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:38:35 GMT >> >> I have Version 1.01, dated March 18, 1984. I seem to recall having >> the problem you identify, but with an earlier version. What is the >> date on yours? >> > >is that 1984 or 1994? > >Is this a MAB version? If so, I'd like to get a copy. > >I've got a MAB version of 10 June 1993.... > >TjL > > Whoops! Yes, it is 1994. I am concerned, though, about copyright violations on giving people updates. When I called WP, moons ago, they just sent me the update (I was a registered owner). Don't know what the story is now. Randy. > -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu
From: bnd00796@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT 102 Date: 25 Nov 1996 00:35:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> I have a few more questions in my continuing conquest of the NeXT computer. :) For starters, I'd like to disclose just exactly what it is I am using: NeXTStation Mono w/ 8 Megs of RAM, 105 Meg Hard Drive (CD-ROM: Not Yet. Anyone got one for sale??) Now that that is out of the way, here are my questions: 1) Is there a program that tells me how much RAM I am using when programs are open (like the Finder in Mac OS)? I am curious as to how much memory each program I use is taking up, and if I'll need to upgrade my system. I am not looking to compute Pi or anything, just want to be sure I have enough room to breathe. In the "other two" Main OS's, each program you buy tells you Min. System Requirements. With NeXT it seems like there are no Minimums (hey, wouldn't THAT be nice???). 2) I'd like to have a good Terminal Program that I can run in NeXT GUI and not UNIX (those of you with whom I have previously corresponded with know how much I try to avoid that...heheh). I've tried the Microphone and TipTop ones...they BOTH say something about "Cannot be run from root account." Do I have to make another login account just to use the bloody program??? The only program I have found is "I COMM" which has everything I could want out of a term program except ANSI emulation and support of speeds over 14.4 baud. Any suggestions? 3) I think I have made a mistake. I just purchased a modem cable from Mac Connection for the NeXT 030 Cube (and, of course, I have the NeXT Slab). I've checked the FAQ and it doesn't say anything about different cables for Cube or Slab, just the "don't use a Mac Cable" warning. I've had one person tell me that I should be fine, and another said I've screwed up. At any rate, I guess that I'll find out when the cable arrives Monday (but HEY, it only cost $3.95 + $5 shipping. If anyone out there has a NeXT Cube and they need a nice BLACK modem cable, call 800-800-0002 and ask for part #8992. It's a STEAL!). 4) Word Processing. What's a good WP Program that I can use on my NeXT, then use an Win '95 or Mac OS machine to print it on. I don't have a printer, so I can use my System at work to print out my resumes, etc. I guess a BETTER question would be "what word processor for NeXT can be easily be converted by a lesser OS?" :) 5) Now that I have determined that the company Hermann Marketing (listed in the "current" FAQ) hasn't sold NeXT Merchandise for over 3 years, where CAN I buy a nifty NeXT mousepad and T-Shirt (size XL)? :) Again, I greatly appreciate all of your help. Someday I'll be able to pass on "my" knowledge of NeXT and be a more "useful" member of this Newsgroup (incidentally, AM I posting these questions in the correct Newsgroup???). Until the NeXT Time, Bill (in Los Angeles...anyone want to come over and set up my PPP & Web Browser?)
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Example .pinerc? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:55:55 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121210616.28344B-100000@kira> References: <JASON.96Nov20042051@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <571iv3$iak@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961121082005.19979B-100000@kira> <5726mh$538@news.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Joshua W. Burton" <jburton@nwu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5726mh$538@news.acns.nwu.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > I just downloaded the pine/pico/pilot suite, just to save myself from > having to use BSD mail on the rare occasions when I have to go through > the command line. I seem to be having some trouble setting the > defaults to make it cooperate seamlessly with Mail.app, mostly because > pine seems to have a lot of DOS-spawned terminology of its own. > > Here's roughly what I want to do: > > (1) Read incoming mail from Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox, write > outgoing mail to Mailboxes/Outgoing.mbox/mbox, and save > unfinished stuff in Mailboxes/Drafts.mbox/mbox. > (2) Look in Mailboxes/*/*.mbox/mbox for other mailboxes, where > the problem seems to be that pine expects all your mailboxes > in one "folder", which seems to be two wildcards too simple. > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/mbox2pine.3.0.NIHS.bs.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/mbox2pine.3.0.README this is a commandline script which you can (and MUST!) edit easily to fit your configuration. Version 3.0 will find your NeXT Mail.app mailboxes (even nested ones) and prompt you for what you want to name the PINE versions a quick guide: Drafts = postponed-msgs Outgoing = sent-mail version 3.0 also will tell you if you try to make a link name that you have already used, and will allow you to skip some if you decide not to link them all.. > (3) Turn a 10-kilobyte .mailrc or (NeXT-style) .mailalias into > an .addressbook, without massaging it by hand. > > Has anyone got this up and working, and if so, could you please send > me the appropriate configuration files and advice? > don't have an auto-script to do that... would be hard, since there is a pretty good difference in the formats. However, the PINE addressbook is pretty simple. nickname[tab]real name[tab]email@address.ext TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: mattj@invisix.com Subject: Re: ".Snd" to ".Wav" NS Message-ID: <b187cc$151d31.2fe@news.goldengate.net> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 03:29:49 GMT References: <57a698$s1b@news.asu.edu> Hey there, I've used GSIO to convert some sound files, but I've found it's somewhat picky regarding the source sound file. Not all .WAV files work in it (when going from WAV to SND or from whatever to SND). Not sure abot your problem there, but mine works on most files.... Good luck. acr246@imap2.asu.edu wrote: >Greeting All! > > I am wondering how one can convert a ".snd" file to a ".wav" >file? I am running NEXTSTEP 3.3 and have teh following programs - >Resound 2.4, GISO 3.3, and Edit Sound 2.2. GISO is the only one that >appears to have this feature, but when I try and do it, I receive an >error message and the conversion is not performed. In fact, here is what >the program gives me when I try and perform this conversion: > >Ready... >/Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd used as input >sox -V -t snd /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd -t wav >/tmp/GISOa000300.snd >sox: Found Sun/NeXT magic word >sox: Input file /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd: Sun header info: >sox: Input file: using sample rate 8012 > size bytes, style u-law, 1 channel >sox: Input file: comment "" > >sox: Output file: using sample rate 8012 > size bytes, style unsigned, 1 channel >sox: Output file: comment "" > >Done. >Could not load resultant sound. > > >Can anybody offer suggestions as to how this can be done? Thanks a bunch! > > -- MATT | mailto:mattj@invisix.com NeXTMail Ok jurcich | http://www.invisix.com Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 24MB, 250MB, NEC XP21, NEXTSTEP 3.2 Novell Netware 3.12-10 Server, 486DX2-66, 240MB, 8MB
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 25 Nov 1996 03:34:21 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57b43t$5rl@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > Good god, John, what kind of world to you come from?? Is becoming a lawyer in New York so incredibly greedy, competitive beyond all reason, and with no motivation other than PROFIT? What about intellectual curiosity, the motivation to learn just to improve ourselves intellectually with absolutely no regard for MONEY? I cannot speak for the mass of lawyers in NY...I suggest putting that question forward to the NY Bar Association... I'll tell you what learning to be a lawyer in NY has done to me... It's taken a somewhat idealistic person, and smashed almost every last shred of fantasy away...it's shown me just how dark people can be, when I thought such things only happened on tv, it's shown me many bad things about just how many bad people there are... before I digress to far... ah, you know what, why bother... If it somehow makes you feel better to pigeonhole me as an incredibly greedy, competitive beyond all reason, profit monger with no intellectual curiosity...ok, what can I do... Obviously, the rantings on this thread are evidence of a person of zero social conscience, hoping to make all of humanity worse off and, in my image, a more vile, vapid, and profit mongering world... The sad thing is that people ARE motivated by self gain. Certainly intellectual curiosity can exist w/o external gain...but external gain makes such pursuits more frequent and likely. As ugly as this is to say about people...for the most part it is true... We do things for GAIN... Very few have spent a lifetime developing something for the benefit of mankind, then released it magnanimously and ANONYMOUSLY for zero gain. Such gifts are FAR and FEW between. That's just the reality of things. That is just the human condition. We all seek somekind of reward for the things we do...be it either food, recognition and respect from our peers or society at large, or in the form of money to translate into other gains. That is just the way it is... I didn't make it up... I don't necessarily like it...but I'll tell you, that's just the way it is. When was the last time anyone worked on something...let's say 480hours or so...in completely anonymity, and then bestowed this gift, without being paid, without letting ANYONE know that they had anything to do with it... They did it just for the intellectual value, and then with the greatest philanthropy, gave it to the world, not even wanting the credit for doing so? It just doesn't happen that often, it's a very rare thing. And unfortunately, the issues of state, government, economy, etc... cannot rely on such infrequent occurrences. > Why the HELL build a bridge if crossing a river by boat works fine? Why must we always build incredibly complex systems when the beauty of simplicity works just fine? For profit, I guess :-( That's right...sometimes it maybe sad...and it makes me sad on an introspective rainy day...but other times it's not so bad...most things in life tend to be double edged swords... That bridge save a life when an ambulance can cross it... Progress, driven by profit, w/o a doubt has its dark side...but also its light...which is greater, I do not know. > As flawed as we human organisms are, we do have a natural curiosity and drive to learn. We would go to the moon even if no one profited. Capitalists would undoubtedly fight such an adventure unless they were cut in for a piece of the action. Disgusting! So is the other side of human nature. Sure, man is a curious beast. He looks up at the stars and wonders... He also, takes a club, kills a sleeping man, drags off his woman and rapes her. We have both our beauty and ugliness...Since going to law school, it's hard to forget the ugliness within all of us. Capitalism does a decent job of diverting many of our violent tendencies in a 'relatively' positive way, that by and large tends to value, and promote advancement in knowledge. > Man will continue trying to learn about the universe as he has been doing way before capitalism polluted our world. Well, I don't know that capitalism has done more harm than good...I'd say it's the best thing we have thought up so far that lets us deal realistically with our darker nature... Man will also continue to kill, rape, try to conquer, etc. etc. I posit, that capitalism does more good than bad...considering both the good and bad portions of our nature... I think w/o it, our advances would have been far fewer and far between. Sure, maybe there were men that did invent things for the simple curiosity of it... They didn't look up at the stars, b/c discovering/predicting things was made profitable by the king or made them esteemed in the eyes of their peers... They were out there... But FEW of them... And one can look at all the people who did make contributions b/c of capitalism...B/C it would bring them esteem, or other valued 'prizes' and you see that list being significantly longer. That is just the way it is... We may lament it, but I believe it's folly to ignore it. > Fusion has the potential to provide possibly the most efficient, least damaging, etc. energy that we humans seem determined to use in every-increasing amounts no matter what doing so does to the Earth and the future of all organisms on Earth. Of course the Class A types are getting sweaty palms at the thought of all of the money they can separate from the rest of us by selling us more and more fusion electricity. Right, and those Class A's are the ones pumping their intellect or dollars to pay for such research. The boys down at princeton have a woody thinking about...'how cool will I be if I'm the one that discovers it...fame, fortune, notoriety, respect, esteem...PROFIT' Profit is driving it. The companies throwing money at the research aren't doing it anonymously...they aren't doing it no strings attached. It's profit driving it. Not mere curiosity of, gee wont it be cool to fuse lighter atoms into heavier ones without melting everything w/in a mile radius... Again, I'm sure there are a few that only care about the 'curiosity' of fusion... But there are MANY more that have some profit motive, and all those more have done a great deal to advance the science/art. That's just the sad way of things... > John, just ignore GNU. It won't be a threat to your future income or wealth, really. You should know that communism has been officially discredited by the 5% at the very top who run most systems in this country and are now taking over the rest of the world. They control 90% of the wealth which can continue to authorize a huge military for their use (but of course, the rest of us pay for it). So if GNU gets too influential, they'll take care of the problem. Just chill out! Right, I'm just a money grubbing shyster... I'll tell you, I don't discredit communism b/c I'm at the top 5% (I only wish). I discredit it b/c I'm a product of it. And I see that the US EQUITY market based capitalistic society is one not even contemplated by marx in his capitalism-socialism-communism evolutionary theory. And it really isn't a fear of GNU becoming too influential. Again, I LIKE GNU. I think the people are GREAT. They have made the world a BETTER place. I just think that if they modified the GPL to work like the MiscKit, it would be a net gain for humanity. That's all. That's why I bother trying to explain myself. You think I don't know I'm going to get FLAMED to high heaven when I do this? Why would I bother? I don't like getting flamed...I do it, thinking MAYBE people will think about it...maybe they'll say..."yea, maybe the GPL could be improved so that GNU would get more contributions, and help more people out...maybe there is a better way." People are so defensive of GNU, that they just think, everything GNU has ever done must be perfect. That the GPL and manifesto are beyond questioning. Why close the possibility of improving GNU? What if changing to the MiscKit way of dealing with software WOULD increase donations, and would help more of humanity? What if it would? Why not consider it? > Progress? 300 horsepower requiring 3,000+ pounds to move an average of probably about 1.2 persons from point A to point B, and at an average speed that is decreasing annually. That's one of the most inefficient systems imaginable. If we were really innovative, we would be much more efficient in our design. Actually, we are innovative enough to accomplish this, but there's not as much profit in it as maintaining the status quo. Great system, capitalism :-( Or, 300horsepower, plowing an average of 100000times the square acreage, raising enough food to keep the country well fed. Or 300horsepower used to power the road equipment to pave our highways. Or 300horsepower used to power a fire truck that saves more lives than ever before. Or 300horsepower to power the ambulance that got to your house in 15minutes and got you to the hospital and saved your life. Etc. Etc. It may not be perfect. It may have many flaws. But the US's equity based, free market, capitalist economy is the best thing humanity has figured out to date. That's just the way it is. > > microsoft's dint has to do with ANTITRUST law, not IP. > If capitalism were a great system, it would not be a metastable system that requires antitrust laws to try to control the stability of the capitalistic system. As it is, we apply bandaide after bandaide to try to prevent the massive transfer of wealth from the many to the few. And we're failing... HA, pot calling the kettle black. At least it TRIES to balance the power between too much state interference or too much private power. The intellectual sloth of communism just says, let the state have all the power...I.E. LET THE STATE BE THE CENTRAL MONOPOLY FOR ALLLLLLLLL INDUSTRIES. HA, that's lame. Like it or not, there is no better system, than the bandaid system, and it's the one that makes the most sense. If you just make a flat law, ANY law, there will always by necessity be an exception. Don't murder; ok a bandaid for self-defense. Don't cross the street on a red light; ok, a bandaid for when you're at a 'T' intersection and the light is red, and the walk sign says walk, keeping the cars from smushing you. That's the way the law OUGHT to be...reactive to the needs of people, changing with time to be appropriate, not simply preaching dogma like communist regimes like to... -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: katzlbt@goliath (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFF to GIF/JPG converters Date: 25 Nov 1996 01:36:03 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <57at63$f0c@news.vanderbilt.edu> References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961118143714.19216C-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> <56qv7q$2jb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> pb141@columbia.edu wrote: : On 11/18/96, Timothy Luoma wrote: : | : | Are the tools out there to convert TIFFs to GIF/JPG? : | : | I've been using ToyViewer's "Save As" feature, but wondering if : there is : | another/better way. : | : | Thanks : | TjL : ImageViewer seems to write reasonable jpegs. GifOMatic will open a : tiff and write the gif. Then There's always PixelMagician. I have somewhen (long ago) uploaded ImageConverter.app to peanuts. It is a frontend for netpbm (based on pbmplus) which comes in the ImageConverter.app/bin folder. It is somewhat huge as there are about 170 conversion programs and filters in the bin directory. /pub/next/Graphics/convertors/ImageConverter.1.1.NI.b.tar.gz 3203373 Tue Jun 19 06:24:16 CDT 1990 It is also able to do conversions in the other way by dropping tiffs on the app-icon and it also provides filer services. Maybe I should release a quad fat version. Any interest? Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 25 Nov 1996 03:20:08 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <57b398$nri@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Is it necessary to study things like quarks and black holes? Is > it necessary to study fusion? No, a lot of things aren't necessary, > but they certainly are profitable... I really wasn't going to post to this stupid thread again, but.... Quarks and black holes, *profitable*? Excuse me while I go cry in my beer. John, do you know something about my (third, and probably last) postdoc appointment that I don't? Do you consider $??k per year (hint, it's a perfect cube, and it isn't all zeroes in binary) a profitable return for a decade or so of well-cited research and award-winning teaching? I think you must be thinking of Black-Scholes, not black holes. The gods do not protect |================================================ fools. Fools are protected | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu by more capable fools. |================================================
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 25 Nov 1996 02:16:55 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > I posit, that if we moved only on necessity, we wouldn't move much at all, > especially in the modern world of comfort. Is it NECESSARY to build a > bridge over a river, when I could just boat over? Is it NECESSARY to go to > the moon? Is it necessary to study things like quarks and black holes? Is > it necessary to study fusion? No, a lot of things aren't necessary, but > they certainly are profitable... Good god, John, what kind of world to you come from?? Is becoming a lawyer in New York so incredibly greedy, competitive beyond all reason, and with no motivation other than PROFIT? What about intellectual curiosity, the motivation to learn just to improve ourselves intellectually with absolutely no regard for MONEY? Why the HELL build a bridge if crossing a river by boat works fine? Why must we always build incredibly complex systems when the beauty of simplicity works just fine? For profit, I guess :-( As flawed as we human organisms are, we do have a natural curiosity and drive to learn. We would go to the moon even if no one profited. Capitalists would undoubtedly fight such an adventure unless they were cut in for a piece of the action. Disgusting! Man will continue trying to learn about the universe as he has been doing way before capitalism polluted our world. Fusion has the potential to provide possibly the most efficient, least damaging, etc. energy that we humans seem determined to use in every-increasing amounts no matter what doing so does to the Earth and the future of all organisms on Earth. Of course the Class A types are getting sweaty palms at the thought of all of the money they can separate from the rest of us by selling us more and more fusion electricity. John, just ignore GNU. It won't be a threat to your future income or wealth, really. You should know that communism has been officially discredited by the 5% at the very top who run most systems in this country and are now taking over the rest of the world. They control 90% of the wealth which can continue to authorize a huge military for their use (but of course, the rest of us pay for it). So if GNU gets too influential, they'll take care of the problem. Just chill out! > And THAT is what spurs on innovation at a > faster pace. You know why the cart is three miles ahead of the horse? > Because it has a V8, four valves per cylinder, intercooled engine driving > it with the force of 300 horses, that's why... And you know why? Cause > there's money in it. Ideas, creativity, innovation, and progress will slow > w/o intellectual property. Progress? 300 horsepower requiring 3,000+ pounds to move an average of probably about 1.2 persons from point A to point B, and at an average speed that is decreasing annually. That's one of the most inefficient systems imaginable. If we were really innovative, we would be much more efficient in our design. Actually, we are innovative enough to accomplish this, but there's not as much profit in it as maintaining the status quo. Great system, capitalism :-( > microsoft's dint has to do with ANTITRUST law, not IP. If capitalism were a great system, it would not be a metastable system that requires antitrust laws to try to control the stability of the capitalistic system. As it is, we apply bandaide after bandaide to try to prevent the massive transfer of wealth from the many to the few. And we're failing... -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: drmsmyth@moonstar.com (William F. Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 03:49:11 GMT Message-ID: <3297c4ff.12080424@news.alterdial.uu.net> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <572022$922@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> First, let me say thank you to everyone for the assistance! I'll get up to speed yet! Secondly, I've managed to move fonts over by taking them to school, converting them to .NeXT format using Fontographer 3.5, and then installing those per the FAQ. Lastly, I'm not satisfied with losing hinting information/quality thusly... I did grab FontConvert, but either I'm not using it right, or it's nor working right. dragging fonts to it simply places them in the .app folder, manually executing it doesn't seem to work either, nor does double-clicking on it. I have NS2.1 extended--Is the above for 3.0 or later? Thanks again! William Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 102 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:46:02 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <smaEVe200UhB429rp5@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 25-Nov-96 NeXT 102 by bnd00796@aol.com > 1) Is there a program that tells me how much RAM I am using when programs > are open (like the Finder in Mac OS)? 'ps aux', or 'vm_stat' from the command line. [ ... ] > 3) I think I have made a mistake. I just purchased a modem cable from Mac > Connection for the NeXT 030 Cube (and, of course, I have the NeXT Slab). It's not the right one-- the '030 cable does not support hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) that you want to use with high speed (> 9600 baud) devices connected to an '040 machine. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: drmsmyth@moonstar.com (William F. Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 03:51:47 GMT Message-ID: <3297c5ee.12319567@news.alterdial.uu.net> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122092430.20384H-100000@kira> <19961123042900.XAA16390@ladder01.news.aol.com> Bill, If the people who sent you this info and didn't post okay it, could you post a summary here? I'm also getting started (but am coming over from the PC/Windows) and am running 2.1, but only need a SCSI cable to upgrade to 3.0 Gold (and then have a copy of 3.1 user to put on top of this--will that be acceptable? Will I lose the developer stuff?) Thanks! William Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <cs@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> Message-ID: <9611241345.AA00618@zaphod> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v146.2) From: Christian Starkjohann <cs@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 14:45:16 +0100 Subject: Re: LaunchBar by Norbert Heger - a cool program, indeed In article <572vhc$98r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) writes: > Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > > One of the most classic instances of the latter is simple data > > entry, although I'm pretty sure that I personally can use Emacs > > from my keyboard faster than I can use Edit.app with the mouse. > > And LaunchBar lets you start uncommonly-used GUI applications > > much faster than you could do so browsing through /LocalApps. > > This very example I doubt; thanks to NEXTSTEP's ingenious GUI, if > I put /LocalApps on the shelf, it takes me one click and one > double-click /to launch an app; (with me) certainly faster than > typing in its name. There must be some misunderstanding here. LaunchBar _is_ a GUI application like, say, Edit.app. It is even one or the more beautiful ones, because, in my opinion, beauty is defined by simplicity. And you don't need to type the _name_ of the application you want to start. Let's compare what you propose to LaunchBar's way. Obviously you have only about 10 to 20 apps in /LocalApps (because you could not write "it takes me one click" otherwise). If you want to start any of these from the workspace, you have to: 1.) double-click the NeXT-Icon (or alternatively click the file viewer window) 2.) click the folder in the shelf 3.) find the application in the browser or whatever view you use (this becomes increasingly complicated if you have more than your 10 to 20 apps) 4.) double-click the application The problematic part is always finding the thing. Each step requires that the previous step has completed and that you have realized that (eg. you can only double-click the app after the contents of the /LocalApps folder are displayed and you have read it). Thus every step involves the human reaction time. With Launchbar, you have to: 1.) press command-space to activate LaunchBar 2.) type one key to select the app (since we assumed that you only want to manage 10 to 20 apps, one key is sufficient, if you have more, press two or three keys). 3.) press enter The advantage is not so much that all this involves one step less, it is that you don't have to wait for any results before you do the next step. Starting the same application is always the same user action, regardless of the actual context. You get used to that and can do it very quickly. > [...] > My point is that if you in these cases prefer the keyboard, you do > it because efficency is your utmost goal in work. Mine it is not. > Mine is beauty. My problem with the shell is that I find it UGLY. > I find it ugly to adapt to the machine to communicate efficiently > with it. > > So I happily sacrifice a certain amount of efficiency for beauty > (this applies not only to computers). I know that a lot of people > don't. This is what I said I don't understand. As I already mentioned: for me, beauty is defined by simplicity. Emacs may be very efficient if you know it well, but it is certainly not simple and therefore not beatiful. The same is true for Unix shells and shell commands. LaunchBar on the other hand has a very simple user interface, offering easy access to vast amounts of files and apps. Bye, Christian. -- Christian Starkjohann <cs@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> or <cs@ds1.kph.tuwien.ac.at>, finger for PGP Public Key. PGP fingerprint: DF FD 40 60 91 6A 14 1C CD 2C E9 07 38 AE CB 4E
From: David Lawson <dlawson@cftnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Install Questions on HP Vectra 5/90 XU (White) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:40:37 -0500 Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Message-ID: <32977D65.1235@cftnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To All: I am currently attempting to install NS 3.2 on the above mentioned machine which has an integrated AMD SCSI interface. Since this controller is not one of the default interfaces supported during the install process, I attempted to get the required drivers from the Next site. The install process does not recognize the drivers in the compressed format and also failed to see the drivers after uncompressing on a SGI UNIX box. Since I don't have access to a working Next machine, is there another site to get the required driver in an already uncompressed and recogizable format for the install process? My journey into Nextdom is stalled until I can get past this hurdle. Thanks in advance, David Lawson dwlawson@gte.net dlawson@cftnet.com
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 102 Date: 25 Nov 1996 04:02:51 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <57b5pb$nri@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> bnd00796@aol.com wrote: > 1) Is there a program that tells me how much RAM I am using when > programs are open (like the Finder in Mac OS)? I am curious as > to how much memory each program I use is taking up, and if I'll > need to upgrade my system. I am not looking to compute Pi or > anything, just want to be sure I have enough room to breathe. > In the "other two" Main OS's, each program you buy tells you Min. > System Requirements. With NeXT it seems like there are no Minimums > (hey, wouldn't THAT be nice???). NeXTstep is an operating system, not a program loader like those things you are calling OS's. Like all operating systems, it has two utterly essential features: a _scheduler_, which means your processes can compete for cycles without worrying about each other, and a _virtual memory system_, which means they can compete for memory without worrying about each other. If you need more memory, the processes that aren't running at the moment will swap quietly out to disk. You can't even run out of swapfile, as long as you have hard disk space left, because the NeXT swapfile will grow dynamically as you require more swapspace. There has in fact been a never-ending debate about whether this is a bug or a feature. On a normal Unix machine, when the fixed-size swapfile is exhausted, bad things happen (usually, the system crashes). On the NeXT, the swapfile just grows, and *in theory* shrinks as you quit other processes and free it up. In practice, if a single longlived process (like the Workspace Manager) ties down a page high up in the swapfile, the sucker will never shrink. This may eventually lead to an enormous swapfile, forcing you to reboot for sheer lack of space on your hard disk. Also, if a longlived program has a memory leak somewhere, the swapfile is guaranteed to eventually grow without limit. But no program will ever "run out of memory". There were long and fruitless debates about the "growing swapfile problem" on this list in 1992-3, with sporadic outbreaks since then. The consensus amounts to a deep suspicion that some unavoidable NeXT-supplied software, under _some_ conditions, will slowly clobber your swapfile. (The window server itself and various daemons were held for questioning, but never indicted.) The swapfile is reset every time you reboot, and if you don't reboot you might still get it to shrink significantly if you log in as "exit", which restarts the window server. So if you reboot every few days, you can ignore the problem. If it's important to you that your machine stay up for a year at a time, you should be OK if you don't thrash the machine by running it with radically too little memory. Very roughly, the OS and WM themselves need 5+ (version 2.x) to 7 MB of memory just to run, and each extra app that you have open at one time consumes another meg---much, much more if it's a web browser or an image converter or Mathematica. If you convert a lot of huge color images from one format to another, you can blow through 20 or 30 MB of memory just for that one application, and the capacity of Mathematica to hog memory has never been plumbed. Thus, 8 MB is really an inadequate system for any use, and it's a tribute to the stability of the operating system that you're running at all---most likely, you use the swapfile every time you open even the smallest application. (Back when the NeXT cube first shipped, in late 1988, it came with 8 MB, which was about $2800 worth of memory in those days. They _tried_ to make the system work with 4 MB, cutting a grand and a half off the entry price of the machine, but with 5+ MB of essential stuff in 4 MB of physical memory, it thrashed just sitting there, and took half an hour to boot. This was exacerbated by the fact that most of the early cubes had a magneto-optical drive as their sole mass-storage device, and this drive, while way ahead of its time and admirable in many ways, was only about twice as fast as a floppy drive [92 ms], which made swapping pure torture. Even in those days, they wanted a serious user to spring for a $2000 330 MB hard drive and 16 MB of memory.) Now that memory is dirt cheap, I'd say that 24 MB is a healthy baseline configuration---add a few more MB for color, and as much as you can afford if you plan to use the aforementioned memory hogs a lot. Coming from 8 MB, you'll notice a subjective speedup of the user interface of twofold or better, and you will swap so seldom that your swapfile may not grow for weeks at a time. The initial configuration of the swapfile includes setting a low water mark, which tells the computer how small to start the swapfile after each reboot. If you are stingy here, you just start the growing-swapfile problem sooner, and the more swapping you do, the more likely you are to get caught by the mysterious memory leaks mentioned above...which, I must repeat, some people with under-stressed systems never did believe in, and some people with really under-powered systems found intolerable. The usual rule of thumb is to allow twice physical memory for your low-water swapfile, on the principle that this allows the whole memory to be swapped out and an equal-sized chunk to be swapped in without interrupting business-as-usual to grow the swapfile. When you set up a hard disk, you can practice black arts on it from the command line to make sure the swapfile lives on one physically contiguous piece of the disk, and can even fine-tune the latency and other factors to make reads and writes to this piece maximally efficient. This will make your system feel a few percent faster, as well. Since your hard disk is not nearly big enough for the full OS distribution and any useful work, you will want a new drive anyway. If I were you, I'd buy a 2.1 GB external for $400 or so, add memory up to 24 or even 32 MB for another $100, and then install the system software from scratch on the external drive and turn the internal 105 MB into a dedicated swapdrive. Then you will never have to worry about a growing swapfile clogging up your primary disk, and 105 MB is a generous allowance, being three or four times physical memory. The system will rarely swap, and you'll forget how you ever lived with those little subliminal slowdowns every time you tried to do anything. Write again for setup details once you've decided how much of this program your budget will permit this time around. `I think there is a worldwide |============================================== market for maybe five digital | Joshua Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu computers.' -- T. J. Watson |==============================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: NeXTSteppers in NJ (no longer Re: NeXT 102) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961125150055.9326A-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:05:32 -0500 To: Darren Wright <dwright1@voicenet.com> In-Reply-To: <199611252000.PAA01547@omni2.voicenet.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Darren Wright wrote: > Where in NJ are you? I"m in Wilmington DE. There are a few > people around here interested in the NeXT scene. I'd like to try to get > a USER group together, if we can get maybe 10-12 people. I'm in Princeton, NJ. There's at least one other guy I know of in the area who uses NS... he's over at the U (they've got a bunch of NS machines, I think). Sure, I'd love to get a group together. Too bad Carl Edman (Emacs, EnhanceMail.bundle, etc) just moved outta town. So, are there other NS users out there around here? TjL
From: cmckee@i-link.net (Casey McKee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mail.app crash Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:02:28 GMT Organization: I-Link Inc Message-ID: <57cqg4$1c6m@news.i-link.net> In the past few days, a problem has cropped up using Mail. If I am forwarding MIME messages I have received to someone else, Mail crashes with the following messages on the console: [Mail: Caught signal #11; terminating safely] [Mail: Autosaving drafts...] If I forward these messages in plain text, no crash occurs. In the past, I have forwarded this sort of message with no problem. I can't see anything different in the messages of my setup. Any ideas out there as to what changed that is causing this crash? Casey McKee cmckee@i-link.net NeXTMail encouraged
From: clp5@cornell.edu (Collin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FrameMaker for NeXTStep Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:09:23 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Sender: clp5@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <clp5-2511961709240001@cu-dialup-1220.cit.cornell.edu> Hello all, I just bought I nice little NeXTCube system at a great(amazing) price and I'm looking for a good word processor/page layout type program. Now, I have used FrameMaker 5.1.1 a resonable amount on my Mac and found it to be a really slick program. I know it was availiable for NEXTSTEP The only reference I can find to it on Adobe's site is rather cryptic: > FrameMaker 3 for NeXTStep > > > Adobe FrameMaker 3, which is an early release of FrameMaker, is currently > available only for the NeXTStep (NeXT) > operating system. What I was wondering is... a) If FrameMaker for NeXTStep was still availiable -any details, cost, distribution (OD CD Floppy) b) People's opinions/impressions c) How it (which seems to be 3.0) compares to FrameMaker 5.1.1 d) any alernatives. I've seem CedarWrite mentioned, but I'm not certain it's robust enough, for I'd like some page layout/document management capabilities e) I have NS 3.2 Dev installed, will it work (I assume so)? How about under OPENSTEP 4.x, in case I decide to upgrade in the future. Thanks...Collin
From: rainmkr <rainmkr@www.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: TIFFany's URL? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:15:13 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <329A0C60.24C5@www.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can i find graphic program,tiffany's home page? thanks.
From: antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <3298DA01.1FFE@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Control: cancel <3298DA01.1FFE@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Date: 25 Nov 1996 21:55:05 GMT Organization: Universite Laval Message-ID: <57d4jp$7ng@athena.ulaval.ca> cancel
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFFany's URL? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:35:28 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <329A111E.1046@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <329A0C60.24C5@www.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rainmkr wrote: > > Where can i find graphic program,tiffany's home page? > thanks. TIFFany's home page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj/ YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
Date: 26 Nov 1996 12:50:12 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <cancel.329af3e0.71810002@news.inet-direct.com> Control: cancel <329af3e0.71810002@news.inet-direct.com> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: Steffin Subject: cmsg cancel <329af3e0.71810002@news.inet-direct.com> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19961126.25 for further details
From: dsmith@sven.west.sun.com (Darren Smith - Marketing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Exporting PostScript Date: 26 Nov 1996 22:03:05 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <57fpep$j2d@newsworthy.West.Sun.COM> Yikes! It's been far too long since I used my NeXTstation for business that I've forgotten quite a bit. Since the whole environment is in DPS, how do I save a file to a DOS disk as .ps or .eps? Do I simply change the extension in the File Manager? I know I can use Grab.app to get a TIFF, but I need something that I can drop into (ooof, sigh) windoze, and also into Solaris/OpenStep. Can someone please remind me of what I'm missing? Thanks in advance! --- Darren H. Smith Field Marketing Representative SMCC - Western Area Mktg. (415) 960-4476 (415) 960-4229 darren.smith@West.sun.com
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: talk/talkd combo Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:51:01 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961126154936.10283B-100000@kira> References: <57fisi$cfu@garfield.iaxs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: David Young <dwy@ace.net> In-Reply-To: <57fisi$cfu@garfield.iaxs.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com if they are NeXTStep users, you can use this... ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/comm/Converse.NISH.bs.tar.gz Handy little thing TjL
From: v.van leeuwen@ptt-telecom.nl (victor van leeuwen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Installation problem Date: 27 Nov 1996 16:46:38 GMT Organization: PTT Telecom B.V. Message-ID: <57hr9e$32k@hdxf02.telecom.ptt.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, I have a strange problem while installing NextStep 3.2. When it begins with the installation part is gives me a panic ! Here is wat the sceen tells me - root on sd0 - rootdev 600, howt 0 - /private/tmp/mnta: bad dir inode 14336 at offset 0: magled entry - | - | - | - | - mode = 010701, inum = 12291, fs=/private=tmp/mnta - panic(Cpu0), ialloc:dump alloc - Kernel panic exception (6,3,1) When i'm pressing c to continue it stays in the panic, the r reboots the system. It comes in the bootsequence, I pres n but it does nothing. I install it from a SCSI cd-rom through a Adaptec 1542B on a Western Digital 1223 Mb IDE harddrive. Is the harddisk broken , or is it simply impossible to install NextStep on a IDE drive? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - V.E. van Leeuwen PTT Telecom BV I&AT P.O. Box 188 NL-9700 AD Groningen The Netherlands ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
From: clp5@cornell.edu (Collin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT PPP 101 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:59:09 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Sender: clp5@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <clp5-2611962059090001@cu-dialup-1710.cit.cornell.edu> References: <19961127000200.TAA17249@ladder01.news.aol.com> In article <19961127000200.TAA17249@ladder01.news.aol.com>, bnd00796@aol.com wrote: > Greetings NeXT Land. I have just purchased the *correct* Modem Cable for > my system (thank you very much!), and am now ready to enter the WWW world. > NOW, just as a brief introduction, am I *really* going to have A LOT of > trouble setting it up??? ALL I want is to turn on my computer, and surf > the web (with Omni-web). I DON'T want e-mail, newsgroups, and I CERTAINLY > don't want a static account with my own website! (I am a NeXT user trying > to enjoy the same comforts of a Mac User.....I know, shoot me now). Maybe > later I will venture into the world of e-mail & newsgroups with my NeXT, > but for now I am keeping my America Online account on my roommate's PC for > doing that kind of stuff (ok, you can shoot me again.....ANYONE out there > want to develop an America Online for NeXT? OK, NOW I am going to grab my > own gun!). > > Anyway, perhaps I am venting, but on my Mac all I did was enter in the > info provided from my University and BOOM, I was online. Is it going to > be that easy for me too? Or do I sense "UNIX from Hell?" It seems to me > that "easy sells." Perhaps that should have been considered (and I think > that's what Steve Jobs was aiming at....). Of course, now I am starting a > debate about "a better computer HAS to be difficult..." so I'll promptly > shut-up now. (I promise, I really AM on your side!). > > Thanks, > Bill > > > P.S. Summary of this message: "Help, I think I am having trouble with my > PPP." Hey I just bought a NeXT too. I'm trying to get on the 'net like yourself and I was wondering where you picked up the "correct" modem cable? Also if anyone would like to explain how to get SLIP going on the NeXT (I assume it's similar to the PPP question above), I'd appreciate it. I would like newsgroups, and mail however, but I figure once you've got TCP/IP to this thing all that other stuff should just fall into place. But the question is where do you find SLIP software for the NeXT and how do you install/configure it...Thanks...Collin
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: talk/talkd combo Date: 26 Nov 1996 20:10:58 GMT Organization: Infinity AccessNET Message-ID: <57fisi$cfu@garfield.iaxs.net> say, is there a workspace-aware talkd which will pop up a little window when someone talk requests you? that'd be pretty neat. i miss most requests that just come up in the shell window. -- # david young: +oop developer # net: dwy@metaverse.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok)
From: "Andrew Kim" <akim@cogent.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help!!! Bootup problems Date: 26 Nov 96 12:05:35 -0800 Organization: Cogent Software Message-ID: <AEC08DEA-F5E8@207.13.170.17> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.sysadmin, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.bugs, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.hardware Everytime I turn on my NeXTstation Color it boots up until when it checks for network connection. Then it waits for about 10 sec and then it ask me to press "control + c" to continue. I did configure network but it keep looking for connection. Here is what NeXT rom monitor displayed. "No response from network configuration server. Type Control-C to start up computer without a network connection" Is there any suggestion?
From: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: g4tiff converter and viewer Date: 27 Nov 1996 17:45:21 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <57hunh$1cm@news.tuwien.ac.at> Hi all, Does anyone know if there is a NextStep converter/viewer application for g4tiff files (tiff files with g4 compression?). ImageViewer couldn't do it :-( Thanks very much, Khanh Nguyen,
From: DR <DR@darwin.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Webster on OpenStep Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:13:49 -0700 Organization: RR Message-ID: <329C76CD.7BD0@darwin.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are running OpenStep on sparcs and really miss Webster. Does anybody know if it will show up in a later release? If it won't, is there anything that is halfway equivalent that we could buy?
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Web Page Design App? Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:10:24 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <57i06g$bh7@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <57do4i$h46@news1-alterdial.uu.net> In article <57do4i$h46@news1-alterdial.uu.net> rwakeman@thoughtport.com writes: >There are apps for mac and windows. (Adobe Pagemill, Claris Home >Page), which simplify web page design. Not being a programmer myself, >I was wondering if there are any such apps for NextStep or OpenStep? >Thanks I have a tangential question related to this. Is it possible, using SAMBA + Windows95 + Pagemill(etc), to edit Web files that exist on NEXTSTEP (or Unix) server directly, using the long filenames and links correctly pointed to the right location on the Web server? I don't mind using Windows95 for editing web pages, but want to keep the NeXT/Unix-based Web server. Izumi Ohzawa
From: fliu@uci.edu (Feng Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: tex->.eps file(was Re: Good 'draw' software ?) Date: 27 Nov 1996 17:09:58 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Message-ID: <57hsl6$6lg@news.service.uci.edu> References: <57eban$1ftu@msunews.cl.msu.edu> > Also Feynman.app is good for people who need to use e.g. greek letters and > mathematical symbols in their drawings. It is able to import .eps output from > TeX into your document. How do you convert a tex file into an eps file, dvips seems to do only ps files? It would be nice to use tex to format short equations, convert it into and eps file and then import it to a drawing. With the drawing programs I used(AppsoftDraw, Diagram), one of the difficult things for me is to do equations. If only they provide a tex input mechanism! I used EquationBuilder, but its functions seems to be reversed for my purpose. Equationbuilder uses some API to create equations, and is able to convert the equation to tex or .eps format. For me, it would be far more useful to be able to input in tex equation format, and convert the formatted output in eps file. Feng Liu Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering University of California, Irvine Irvine, CA 92697-3975 phone: 714-824-3105, or 714-824-5406(MAE Department) Fax: 714-824-3105, or 714-824-8585(MAE Department)
From: font@MCS.COM (Font) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.smb,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Samba 1.9.16p9 and NEXTSTEP 3.3p1 Date: 27 Nov 1996 15:13:51 -0600 Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <57iauf$drg@Venus.mcs.net> After uncommenting the "NEXTSTEP Release 3.0 and greater" Makefile entry, the link for smbd fails with: Linking smbd ld: for architecture m68k ld: Undefined symbols: _waitpid *** Exit 1 Stop. ~/src/samba-1.9.16p9/source $ Do I need to somehow POSIX-ify my compilation in order to get waitpid? (NEXTSTEP is pretty much BSD 4.3; there isn't even a waitpid man page.) The odd thing is, I know I've compiled a previous version of samba before (1.9.15p8), and don't recall having this problem. On the other hand, I never did get to test that version, either. Since there's a Makefile target there, I figured I must be missing something obvious. If not, I'll try to hunt down what the problem is and inform the developers-that-be. -- font@mcs.net Wishes are like dishes.
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: talk/talkd combo Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:05:45 GMT Organization: Infinity AccessNET Message-ID: <57hvtp$cfu@garfield.iaxs.net> References: <57fisi$cfu@garfield.iaxs.net> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961126154936.10283B-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961126154936.10283B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > if they are NeXTStep users, you can use this... Of course they're not. What is this, a perfect world or something? :) -- # david young: +oo developer # net: dwy@metaverse.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok)
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 27 Nov 1996 23:12:53 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57ihtl$c3a@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57djud$e0h@news4.digex.net> <57h6p0$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Hi Bernhard :) breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) wrote: > What do you say about the theses, that the MiscKit being less restrictive is makeing losing the programmers more money? Because not all of the firms like to use the GNU stuff and so then could write other programms, if there weren`t the free MiscKit. Well, the above is an interesting issue. And to make my law professors proud...the right answer to any question is 'it depends' :) Ok, and this is what I mean... View A: If the world only needs X amount of programming done every year...let's say 1trillion lines of code a year are required for the world...and let's say it takes 1million programmers to do so... Well if that is true, then programmers wouldn't necessarily make less, there would just be fewer programmers b/c of the re-usability of code. And in that sense you could blame the MiscKit for creating unemployment in the programming world...you could blame object orient programming as well b/c code re-usability would therefor displace programmers...and now for the alternative. View B: However, the alternate view says, there isn't a static X amount of code required per year. That people do more with new tools, and they don't work less, they just do more in the same amount of time. The computer shows that. People don't work any less with the productivity gains of the computer, they just do more things. I believe that the MiscKit will just allow the same number of programmers, to make more things, and better things. As to the companies having access to the MiscKit...that wont reduce any jobs, IMO. Why? Well, they may have ACCESS to the kit, but not control. They can't make it disappear or prevent little programmers and little software businesses from using the same software. So the little guy would have these great tools to compete with the big companies...and it would put more pressure on the big companies to do better than what can be done for free or by little companies or individual programmers. That's just my view of it. So the answer depends on if you tend to believe economic issues are based on something more like ViewA or ViewB. I tend to see things as being more like ViewB...but I cannot discount ViewA as being invalid. > The MiscKit somehow looks a little bit more communistic as the GPL. As with GPL programms, it is like buying a software which grants you free availability to it and its sucessors and improvments. > MiscKit somehow is more centralised. Only some things go in. But GPL gives you the right to make your own modifications and distribute them. There is no real centralised organisation, but only a document, which is more like a cultural aggreement. Well, that's one way of seeing it... But communism, doesn't _selectively_ take what it wants, as you characterize the MiscKit...it demands _ALL_ property for the privilege of being in the collective. The MiscKit says "you can use our stuff anyway you want...heck if you want you can feel free to release your work with FULL source code for free...or you can feel free to keep your source and charge for it...AND if you like, you can submit things to the MiscKit and if its useful we'll use it..." I see it as less communistic... It still allows the individual to give out all their software and source to the world if that person wants to, but in addition, if that person wants, they can keep the source quiet and try and make money, either via shareware or a full commercial venture. > To me it seems, like you are bringing in a lot of personal dislikes against "communistic tendencies" into the discussions. True, I'm biased, I cannot deny that...I do have a dislike for many of the tennants of communism... > You are talking about benefits for programmers and humanity. And your main argument is, that everything, that looks like a communistic approach is not helpfull. I would be quite more happy, if we could talk about the arguments, without trying to show that the GPL is communistic. To me no point would be made, showing that the GPL is communistic in some respects. Oh, I hope that's not the way it came across...that merely b/c it looks like communism it must be bad; I don't mean to say that. But, IMO, several economic theories, and things I have seen throughout my life experience, show that other models are better in practice for improving things for humanity. The US system, in practice, though far from perfect, has shown itself to be far more kind to its people, far more egalitarian, far more compassionate, far more economically stable...and just all around far superior...again, IMO. I think I at least hinted at some reasons why I think much of communism tends to be a 'broken' theory/dream. One of which was that marx, in his theory, never contemplated an egalitarian, equity, capital market based democratic capitalist government like the US has... The US government, is not a pure capitalism... The equity market, the pinnacle of 'capitalism' actually itself implements communistic principles in a much more efficient manner; namely, ANY man may own a piece of any or all the equities (even the biggest most powerful MNC's) as a shareholder, and those companies are answerable to that shareholder...to that man.... So, the marxist notion that such private power is destined to smash the little guy didn't take into account the little guy actually owning the company. Now, communism tries to actually do much the same thing...it has the center own all, supposedly for the people, to protect the people from that 'power.' In doing so, the center becomes its own power that subjects the citizens... Anyway...that was too far a diatribe...but that's what I mean by marx theory being flawed...it never foresaw this 'morphed' egalitarian capitalistic system which could embody true democratic principles espoused in 'classic' communism. So when people say that communism, in the end is really THE BEST way, once we get far enough down the road to be able to do it...that it's invitable... Well, I tend to doubt it, b/c those principles themselves, are IMO, based on a flawed theory... > So if you are right, about the "communistic tendencies" (and everything is communistic a little bit, so you are already right to some extend :-> ) and the disklike of the Intellectual Property, your assumptions about the developments towards benefits for this society are still not sound. Well, I base my opinions on the need for Intellectual Property Rights in several areas. 1) the drafters of the US constitution were pretty smart guys, and they thought it was important enough to put right into the Constitution. 2) Just my experience with human nature is...they work better and do more when there is an incentive or reward for doing so...without Intellectual Property Rights there are far fewer rewards available as an incentive for people to create things...3) Many works/debates I've read on IP Rights, by people far smarter than I can ever hope to become, pretty much come down on the side that IP Rights tend to make societies more productive... and 4) it just seems inherently unfair to me, if I bother to work on a book or program for 4 years, that anyone can just copy it and do whatever they want with it, the day after I release it. For the 4 aforementioned reasons, and several more I won't bother to get into, I believe society and humanity at large benefits far more from having Intellectual Property Rights, than without them. > What i dislike most about the communistic theory is: > - a revolution is necessary or unevitably, so that we have to work > towards it to speed the process > - everything is caused by capital > GNU is not communistic to this heavy points: > - It is not calling for revolution, but slow improvement using the > established means in "western socities" (just like the copyright law) > (That is why no programmer dropped dead, being starved five month > after the GNUI was founded. :> ) > - it does not argu entierly money based(e.g. but with motivations of > programmers) Well, of course there is more to communism, than your points above...the ones you do not like... And I mentioned some of them earlier in the thread as the ones I do not like :) And those points that I mentioned earlier, I do think are reflected by GNU's manifesto and GPL. However, the above points you make, I agree, the GPL and manifesto are CLEARLY different from communism there. That's why I said I think the GNU manifesto and GPL are LIKE communism. However, one point you mention above...that I also don't like/agree with... That communism is inevitable. That there is this social darwinism and we see what society will _definitely_ evolve into... I cannot imagine what humans will evolve into in 10million years (maybe we wont have little pinkies on our feet? We'll all be bald? Beyond that, I can't even guess), but somehow marx just KNEW what society MUST evolve into...from capitalism, to socialism, to communism...that it MUST be this way. Well, I disagree. I mentioned why earlier in this post... I think his theory, though intellectually interesting, didn't contemplate all the variables... > So enough for today! I expect an relative short answer from you. So that a discussion with you can stay as good as it used to be. Sorry :) I should have read the end first ;) -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: phil@cnam.fr (Philippe Provost) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for a KERMIT object Date: 27 Nov 1996 17:31:27 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Sender: biohelp@net.bio.net Message-ID: <57aj2t$8t@pauli.cnam.fr> hello, We are looking for an object which encapsulates the kermit protocol. We want to use it to control robots that do blood dry analysis. we know nothing of kermit, and don t want to know it. hence our quest for such object that will give us the opportunity to "talk" which the robots (these automates have a built-in Kermit-only protocol). Thank you to point us to all useful pointers (commercial, freeware,shareware). Thank you to reply to phil@cnam.fr (we don t consult newsgroups very often) Philippe
From: mpd@gulf.net (Mark Pappas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NeXT Novice Hoses Himself, PLEASE HELP Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:49:18 -0500 Organization: Mark Pappas Development Message-ID: <mpd-ya023180002711961649180001@news.gulf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think I kinda hosed myself. Ok here goes. The system came with a 105meg drive internal with 3.2 loaded. I have a extra Maxtor 500meg drive. So I run builddisk on the 500meg drive everthing goes great. Now I pull the 105 internal and put the 500meg in its place SCSI ID 0 :)....The system boots to just a regular user, so I logout to boot as root and it crashes. After crashing it ask me for a hardware key, we'll guess what I don't have the hardware key. I read the NeXT faq and ah it says pull the battery to reset the machine. I did that and now the NeXT is stuck on "Loading from network" I guess I know enough to be dangerous :) Please help. -- Thanks Mark Pappas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Pappas Development E-mail: mpd@gulf.net Consultant http://www.gulf.net/~mpd/ 3915 Lynn Ora Dr. Phone: (904) 476-3773 Pensacola, FL 32504 Specializing in Macintosh Databases & NMI's Microbrew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: anim to QuickTime? Message-ID: <1996Nov27.190010.89821@cc.usu.edu> From: hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Howard R. Cole) Date: 27 Nov 96 19:00:09 MDT Distribution: world Organization: USU Space Dynamics Lab Are there any applications or code fragments which would allow me to convert a sequence of tiff files (like an anim movie) and convert it into QuickTime format? Any pointers and tips welcome. TIA, - HRC - hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199611271509.HAA23663@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 10:08:50 -0500 Subject: Re: NeXT PPP 101 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com go here: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/ppp.html and follow the links to the Free PPP setup. Read the directions (yeah, I know ;-) it should be pretty easy from there, especially if you don't want Email... TjL
From: foster@aix2.uottawa.ca (Peter Foster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: tex->.eps file(was Re: Good 'draw' software ?) Date: 28 Nov 1996 00:49:27 GMT Organization: University of Ottawa Message-ID: <57inin$tf8@mercury.cc.uottawa.ca> References: <57hsl6$6lg@news.service.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Feng Liu (fliu@uci.edu) wrote: : > Also Feynman.app is good for people who need to use e.g. greek letters : and : > mathematical symbols in their drawings. It is able to import .eps output : from : > TeX into your document. : How do you convert a tex file into an eps file, dvips seems to do only ps : files? : It would be nice to use tex to format short equations, convert it into and : eps file and then import it to a drawing. With the drawing programs I : used(AppsoftDraw, Diagram), one of the difficult things for me is to do : equations. If only they provide a tex input mechanism! I used : EquationBuilder, but its functions seems to be reversed for my purpose. : Equationbuilder uses some API to create equations, and is able to convert : the equation to tex or .eps format. For me, it would be far more useful to : be able to input in tex equation format, and convert the formatted output : in eps file. The E option of dvips makes eps output. I use it all the time for nicely formatted tables. Just say dvips to your command line to get a list of options. Just remember to turn the pagenumber off, or it will be included. Peter Foster
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 27 Nov 1996 23:48:53 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57ik15$c3a@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572tf9$bbq@news4.digex.net> <5730el$28n@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fvj$ott@news4.digex.net> <577kbl$f0h@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Hi Nathan :) nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) wrote: > They would have to release the source of their application if they interwove the library into their code, as you keep suggesting. But I don't buy it. In my experience, one rarely needs to rip pieces out of a well-constructed library and interweave them into code (though of course it could be handy at times). Witness all the commercial libraries for which binaries only are available. If everyone was depending on being able to interweave source code, they could never be commercially successful. Right, well that is the situation I AM talking about. GPL2b DOES require you to release the source...that's the interweaving situation. You are talking of the library/compartmentalized way...I don't argue that. Now on the point of you not buying that it NEED be done... Let me try and address it this way. And I'll start off by saying, I agree that many times it may be just fine to simply put the GNU works in a library. However, I point out, sometimes, it is VERY useful to interweave code. Sometimes it's far more efficient to do it that way. Maybe to take portions of several libraries and put it directly in your app is far more efficient; it does happen. Sure he doesn't NEED to, he can just do it as a separate library, but at the cost of the total app needing more space, memory, and maybe running less efficiently. And when it does, to avoid the GPL2b virus problem, that programmer has to re-invent the wheel. > And I think that it's only fair that if you make an improvement on a library that people have slaved over for conceivably hundreds or even thousands of man-hours, out of pure generosity and usually with no pay, the least you could do is to release your modifications so that others might benefit from them. Thus, we have an evolutionary improvement in software, when improvements are required to be released so that all may benefit and further improve them. The upwards spiral may be slow at times, but at least it does not come to a halt when code is locked away behind closed doors. Well, that's one person's opinion. I've put forward, a bunch of times before in this thread, that I think a model like the MiscKit tends to elicit MORE contributions than would be via GPL. The companies that use MiscKit seem to donate SIGNIFICANTLY to the MiscKit...Something not happening with GNU. > Releasing your modifications is not usually a big problem for LGPL'ed libraries. [snip] Again, as I've stated before, I do NOT argue the the library issue. It's the case of GPL2b and interweaving that I'm interested in... > P.S. Don't you think it's time to move this whole thread over to gnu.misc.discuss? It contains nothing related to NEXTSTEP except for occasional references to the MiscKit, and those are only to its license. Well, if you want to redirect it...I won't stop you :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Webster on OpenStep Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E1JrL7.18@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:58:19 GMT References: <329C76CD.7BD0@darwin.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <329C76CD.7BD0@darwin.edu>, DR <DR@darwin.edu> wrote: >We are running OpenStep on sparcs and really miss Webster. Does anybody >know if it will show up in a later release? If it won't, is there >anything that is halfway equivalent that we could buy? I doubt it will show up in a later release. However, you could likely just install the one from your 3.3. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 28 Nov 1996 00:13:08 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57ilek$c3a@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56t2k6$9m8@news.doit.wisc.edu> <572r8c$bbq@news4.digex.net> <5734p2$i51@news.acns.nwu.edu> jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > Although I'm an American myself, I get mightily sick of our country's hypocritical outrage at Chinese software and music piracy. [snip] but because we are the *last* nation on the face of the earth to claim any credibility on this issue. For a hundred and fifty years, the United States was a net importer of intellectual property, and we raped English novelists, essayists, and journalists so shamelessly that individual authors (Shaw and Tolkien, to name two) finally had to appeal to individual conscience by putting notes on the covers of their authorized US editions, begging us to buy no others. Now, for the first time in our history, the leak is flowing the other way, and suddenly we're screaming like virgins. Serves us bloody right. I cannot agree more. The US just recently (relatively) signed on to the Berne convention, only when it made economic sense to do so, b/c now we are a net exporter. I feel bad for those that were ripped off by the US. But two wrongs don't make a right. -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 28 Nov 1996 00:22:32 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57im08$c3a@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> <57830b$1v6@knot.queensu.ca> <57893c$qj3@news4.digex.net> <578qke$pvv@news.acns.nwu.edu> jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: Hi Josh :) > What I can no longer abide is your vapid little canned sign-off. It's starting to resemble the Chinese water torture. Hehe :) LOL. You really made my evening. I got to give credit where it's due... :) That's funny :) To be honest, it kinda annoys me too, but I just can't think of a better/more universal sign off :) -- Drip, drip, drip. John, I can't stop my leg, Kheit :) :) :) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:15:04 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961127161331.13470C-100000@kira> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57djud$e0h@news4.digex.net> <57h6p0$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <57h6p0$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Does anyone even care anymore?
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 28 Nov 1996 01:25:35 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57ipmf$c3a@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <57b398$nri@news.acns.nwu.edu> jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > Is it necessary to study things like quarks and black holes? Is > > it necessary to study fusion? No, a lot of things aren't necessary, > > but they certainly are profitable... > I really wasn't going to post to this stupid thread again, but.... Everytime you think you're out... BUT THE PULL YOU BACK IN :) > Quarks and black holes, *profitable*? Excuse me while I go cry in my beer. Um, I think fusion is pretty profitable if it could be done. As I understand it, fusion is a basic process that is on-going throughout the galaxy...for example, like our sun. The study of (quantum) physics, etc, as I understand it, is kinda required if you want to get a practical fusion energy source. As I further understand it, the corporations (fuel/energy corps) that are funding fusion projects, could care less about the intellectual aspects of physics, and look forward towards profiting on their practical application. They fund such basic research, to apply them pragmatically. > John, do you know something about my (third, and probably last) postdoc appointment that I don't? Do you consider $??k per year (hint, it's a perfect cube, and it isn't all zeroes in binary) a profitable return for a decade or so of well-cited research and award-winning teaching? Ouch, for the researcher's not so profitable I guess... But then again, while you are their, you are also learning, and building up your credentials to get paid more elsewhere in the future (at least I'm rooting for you :) For the energy companies funding the research, if it pans out...YOU BET IT WILL BE MEGA PROFITABLE. And if you're on the research team with a break through, you BET you'll make more than $30k a year. I mean, look at all the bio-tech companies. That research is being funded and done b/c it might someday be profitable. > I think you must be thinking of Black-Scholes, not black holes. :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Andre Lalonde <tralala@mlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Good 'draw' software ? Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:30:37 -0500 Organization: SCRIBEX Message-ID: <329CC10D.4042@mlink.net> References: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: jon klein <jklein@freon.artificial.com> jon klein wrote: > = > Can somebody recommend a good drawing package for NeXTstep? I've seen = plenty > of graphics manipulation stuff, but no drawing packages. I really just= > need to make basic shapes, do some rotation, etc... > = > -- > -jon klein > jklein@freon.artificial.com > My cat failed the Turing test miserably. -------------------------------------------- Have a look at: http://www.mlink.net/~tralala/English/index.html SuperDraw4 is a great Drawing software. -Andr=E9
From: drmsmyth@moonstar.com (William F. Adams) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.smb,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba 1.9.16p9 and NEXTSTEP 3.3p1 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 03:16:53 GMT Message-ID: <329bb228.2683415@news.alterdial.uu.net> References: <57iauf$drg@Venus.mcs.net> I'd simply like to chime in that I had similar difficulties trying to compile Samba under NS2.1--only it complained of wanting unistd.h, (a POSIX libarary?) Could we possibly get a set of pre-compiled versions up somewhere? I'm going to be upgrading to 3.1, but really will need the network access to my new cube from my Wintel laptop soon... William Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 28 Nov 1996 04:20:09 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <57j3tp$9cg@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <57b398$nri@news.acns.nwu.edu> <57ipmf$c3a@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Um, I think fusion is pretty profitable if it could be done. Fifty years ago, people said that about fission (with considerably more reason for optimism than fusion merits today). > As I further understand it, the corporations (fuel/energy corps) > that are funding fusion projects, could care less about the > intellectual aspects of physics, and look forward towards profiting > on their practical application. They fund such basic research, > to apply them pragmatically. Since the null set satisfies all predicates, I think this is a true statement. There are NO private corporations (`private', to exclude universities, DoE, CERN, and so on) funding fusion research today, so far as I or my friends in plasma physics know. If the Ignition Test Reactor gets built in the next 15 years, it will be 100% publicly (and internationally) funded. And neither it nor its foreseeable successors will be profitable. Talks continue in Geneva. All that +--------------------------------------+ Alija Izetbegovic, Radovan Karadzic | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 | and Slobodan Milosovic can agree on | jburton@nwu.edu | is that John Major has a funny name. +--------------------------------------+
From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Help: Configuring NeXTStation as print server Date: 23 Nov 1996 23:30:03 GMT Organization: Cyberstore Systems Inc. Message-ID: <5781dr$loq@scipio.cyberstore.ca> References: <570ck5$iej@info.uah.edu> wli@pluto (Dr. Wei Li) wrote: > >I need help on configuring my NeXT station as a printer server for >a Win95 machine. Specifically, I would like to print out >MS Word and Excel documents from my NeXT laser printer via >a thin ethernet connection between the Win95 machine and >my NeXT station running NeXTStep. Any experience and >advice are greatly appreciated. Look at my NS page at http://www.bcog.org/~dreely/openstep.html Hope it helps, Darren
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Exporting PostScript Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:24:23 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Nov28.082423.21260@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <57h6vc$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> In article <57h6vc$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) writes: > In article <57fpep$j2d@newsworthy.west.sun.com>, > dsmith@sven.west.sun.com (Darren Smith - Marketing) writes: > > Do I simply change the extension in the File Manager? > > I know I can use Grab.app to get a TIFF, but I need > > something that I can drop into (ooof, sigh) windoze, > > and also into Solaris/OpenStep. > > Isn't TIFF a m$ supported format? > Use the PNG image format, if you can.. it is a free powerfull > standard. If you want to print use postscript. tiff in general is OK, but most apps don't understand NeXT's (perfectly standard) compressed format. You need to convert it to uncompressed using tiffutil before moving it. You can also use ImageViewer or OmniImage to save it out as some other format. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: otto@olcs.com (Otto Lind) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.smb,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba 1.9.16p9 and NEXTSTEP 3.3p1 Date: 28 Nov 1996 07:40:23 GMT Organization: Softwire Corporation Message-ID: <57jfl7$hjq@olcs.olcs.com> References: <57iauf$drg@venus.mcs.net> In article <57iauf$drg@venus.mcs.net>, font@MCS.COM (Font) writes: > After uncommenting the "NEXTSTEP Release 3.0 and greater" Makefile > entry, the link for smbd fails with: > > Linking smbd > ld: for architecture m68k > ld: Undefined symbols: > _waitpid > *** Exit 1 > Stop. > ~/src/samba-1.9.16p9/source $ > > Do I need to somehow POSIX-ify my compilation in order to get waitpid? No, you should never use POSIX under NeXT, since NeXT fucked things up so badly that the entire POSIX library is both unusable and dangerous (i.e. the infamous POSIX file append bug, and the "make file system unmountable" bug). I guess trying to fix this was too much for them, which is why they dropped POSIX support in 4.0. Unfortunately, the Samba mantainers made changes to the source without verifying that waitpid() may not exist on some systems. I've made some rough changes to the source, which "in theory" should work on a NeXT system, but I have not tested them (I'm running an earlier version of samba, and subscribe to the philosophy "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"). Here are the context diffs to the source: *** /tmp/,RCSt1018976 Thu Nov 28 01:26:20 1996 --- uid.c Thu Nov 28 01:23:31 1996 *************** *** 417,423 **** --- 417,433 ---- if ((pid=fork())) { int status=0; /* the parent just waits for the child to exit */ + #ifdef USE_WAITPID if (sys_waitpid(pid,&status,0) != pid) { + #else + #ifdef NEXT3_0 + /* Not sure about this */ + if (wait4(pid,WAIT3_CAST1 &status,0,NULL) < 0) { + #else + DEBUG(0,("ERROR: smbrun, perhaps you need `#define USE_WAITPID'?\n")); + if (1) { + #endif + #endif DEBUG(2,("waitpid(%d) : %s\n",pid,strerror(errno))); return -1; } *** /tmp/,RCSt1018976 Thu Nov 28 01:26:21 1996 --- system.c Thu Nov 28 01:21:18 1996 *************** *** 144,153 **** --- 144,155 ---- /******************************************************************* The wait() calls vary between systems ********************************************************************/ + #ifdef USE_WAITPID int sys_waitpid(pid_t pid,int *status,int options) { return waitpid(pid,status,options); } + #endif /******************************************************************* don't forget lstat() Hope this helps, Otto -- Otto Lind Softwire Corporation (North office) otto@olcs.com 12125 285th street, Lindstrom, MN 55045 skypoint!olcs!otto voice:(612)257-1259 fax:(612)257-0923
From: Stephan Trebels <strebel2@cage.mpibpc.gwdg.de> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.smb,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba 1.9.16p9 and NEXTSTEP 3.3p1 Date: 28 Nov 1996 14:09:08 +0100 Organization: MPI biophysical Chemistry, Goettingen, DE Message-ID: <we6ohgimknf.fsf@Cage.mpibpc.gwdg.de> References: <57iauf$drg@venus.mcs.net> <57jfl7$hjq@olcs.olcs.com> otto@olcs.com (Otto Lind) writes: [waitpid missing from non-POSIX libraries] > *** /tmp/,RCSt1018976 Thu Nov 28 01:26:20 1996 > --- uid.c Thu Nov 28 01:23:31 1996 > *************** > *** 417,423 **** > --- 417,433 ---- > if ((pid=fork())) { > int status=0; > /* the parent just waits for the child to exit */ > + #ifdef USE_WAITPID > if (sys_waitpid(pid,&status,0) != pid) { > + #else > + #ifdef NEXT3_0 > + /* Not sure about this */ > + if (wait4(pid,WAIT3_CAST1 &status,0,NULL) < 0) { > + #else > + DEBUG(0,("ERROR: smbrun, perhaps you need `#define USE_WAITPID'?\n")); > + if (1) { > + #endif > + #endif > DEBUG(2,("waitpid(%d) : %s\n",pid,strerror(errno))); > return -1; > } > *** /tmp/,RCSt1018976 Thu Nov 28 01:26:21 1996 > --- system.c Thu Nov 28 01:21:18 1996 > *************** > *** 144,153 **** > --- 144,155 ---- > /******************************************************************* > The wait() calls vary between systems > ********************************************************************/ > + #ifdef USE_WAITPID > int sys_waitpid(pid_t pid,int *status,int options) > { > return waitpid(pid,status,options); > } > + #endif > > /******************************************************************* > don't forget lstat() I'd prefer int sys_waitpid(pid_t pid,int *status,int options) { #if defined(USE_WAITPID) return waitpid(pid,status,options); #elsif defined(USE_WAIT4) int result = wait4(pid,(union wait *)&status,0,NULL); return (result == -1)?-1:(int)pid; #else #error I need a waitpid implementation! #endif } ciao, stephan P.S. this is untested, yet. but if there is a dedicated function to implement waiting, it should be used IMHO! -- Task: System Administration Unix (HP-UX, Linux, FreeBSD) Email: Stephan Trebels <strebel2@cage.mpibpc.gwdg.de> Mail: Abt. 081, MPI bpC, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany Tel: +49 551 201 1 454
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NeXT Novice Hoses Himself, PLEASE HELP Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:47:59 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <57ju5f$1daa@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <mpd-ya023180002711961649180001@news.gulf.net> Mark Pappas (mpd@gulf.net) wrote: > The system came with a 105meg drive internal with 3.2 loaded. I have a > extra Maxtor 500meg drive. So I run builddisk on the 500meg drive everthing > goes great. Now I pull the 105 internal and put the 500meg in its place > SCSI ID 0 :)....The system boots to just a regular user, so I logout to > boot as root and it crashes. After crashing it ask me for a hardware key, > we'll guess what I don't have the hardware key. I read the NeXT faq and ah > it says pull the battery to reset the machine. I did that and now the NeXT > is stuck on "Loading from network" I guess I know enough to be dangerous :) Sounds like you didn't do anything weird - theoretically, it should have booted without any problems. Funny thing is that it asked for the passwd, at a normal boot (just "b") this is normally not the case. What you can do is the following: at the boot prompt, type "b sd". It will boot your machine of the first SCSI device in the chain, which should be your Maxtor drive. If at some later point in the boot process you should get stuck, boot as single user "b -s" (after "b sd" it will store sd as the default boot device, so that subsequent "b" commands will load from disk) and try to fix the setup. If necessary, copy netinfo and hostconfig from /usr/template (instructions are in NextAnswers, or send me private email. Remove the "nospam" from my mailid of course). Alternatively, put the 105 device back in and re-do the builddisk. One Cthing to make your life easier: Use SCSI id 1 for your internal drive, not 0. This way, you can always attach an external device, set its id to zero, and boot from that. Makes troubleshooting a lot easier. Yes, you can always explicitely boot off another device, but its simply more hassle. Hope this helps. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: g4tiff viewer Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:53:20 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <57kchg$3gq@news.tuwien.ac.at> Is there a viewer app. that support g4tiff? Thanks, khanh
From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: looking for a KERMIT object Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:41:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <57kbqn$5le$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <57aj2t$8t@pauli.cnam.fr> In article <57aj2t$8t@pauli.cnam.fr>, Philippe Provost <phil@cnam.fr> wrote: : We are looking for an object which encapsulates the kermit protocol. : We want to use it to control robots that do blood dry analysis. : we know nothing of kermit, and don t want to know it. hence our quest for : such object that will give us the opportunity to "talk" which the robots : (these automates have a built-in Kermit-only protocol). : We don't supply "Kermit objects", DLLs, etc. Nevertheless, we have designed most of our Kermit programs to be usable in embedded applications. Please contact us directly details. - Frank
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Exporting PostScript Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:52:07 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <57kcf7$16su@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <57h6vc$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <1996Nov28.082423.21260@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul Lynch (Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk) wrote: > tiff in general is OK, but most apps don't understand NeXT's (perfectly > standard) compressed format. You need to convert it to uncompressed using > tiffutil before moving it. You can also use ImageViewer or OmniImage to > save it out as some other format. yip. And worse yet, many PC programs can only read the Intel byte order of tiff (which is in clear violation of the standard, which requires tiff readers to at the very least be able to read uncompressed tiffs in *both* byte order formats). Of course, this makes tiff pretty useless as an exchange format between Windoze and other platforms. My advice is using gif as an exchange format, provided that your image has a reduced color space anyway. You can try uncompressed tiff of course, but these images tend to get _very_ large, and don't compress well with gzip or compress. If the original image is 24 bit and a "typical" photographic image, jpeg is also an option. The best NEXTSTEP tool for format conversion is ToyViewer (IMHO). Hope this helps, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: trythis@money.com Date: 28 Nov 1996 16:45:01 EST Control: cancel <329e060d.91497035@news.inet-direct.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <329e060d.91497035@news.inet-direct.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.329e060d.91497035@news.inet-direct.com> Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Please Help!!!
From: mthomas7@ix.netcom.com (Michael Thomas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Good 'draw' software ? Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 17:50:25 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <mthomas7-2811961750260001@nyc-ny26-13.ix.netcom.com> References: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> <329CC10D.4042@mlink.net> In article <329CC10D.4042@mlink.net>, tralala@mlink.net wrote: > jon klein wrote: > > = > > > Can somebody recommend a good drawing package for NeXTstep? I've seen = > plenty > > of graphics manipulation stuff, but no drawing packages. I really just= > > > need to make basic shapes, do some rotation, etc... > > = > > > -- > > -jon klein > > jklein@freon.artificial.com > > My cat failed the Turing test miserably. > > -------------------------------------------- > Have a look at: > > http://www.mlink.net/~tralala/English/index.html > > SuperDraw4 is a great Drawing software. > > -Andr=E9 Having used both Diagram and Virtuoso (and Quark, Illustrator, etc. on Mac) I would suggest Virtuoso. It's basically the NeXT version of Freehand 4 (and will convert files to Mac Freehand 3). It's a more capable illustration package than Diagram and has the added benefit of being a world-class typesetting and type manipulation package. Also, your Mac buddies will forever be in awe of its ability to display Postscript effects that must be printed to be seen on a Mac, thanks to Display Postscript. Don't know if originator Aldus (or Freehand's new owner Macromedia) still makes it, but you can probably track down a used copy. Try to get Virtuoso 2, which eliminates even the few glitches that v.1 had. Mike Thomas mthomas7@ix.netcom.com
From: "david.wolf" <wolf@dino.ph.utexas.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: win a few, lose a few Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 18:45:52 -0700 Organization: University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <329E4050.1C43@dino.ph.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: wolf@lanl.gov respond via email, please: Software bundled in ns3.3 is lost in os4.0. Is there a list of the packeges available released in 3.3 that have disappeared in 4.0. Particularly troubling, I notice that TeX as vanished. My dissertation was written in TeX. I have not yet installed 4.0. Is there a way i can maintain all of the packages that were in 3.3 and not now in 4.0 throug the upgrade process? Will they work under 4.0? ----- david wolf@dino.ph.utexas.edu
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Nov Quiz - last call ! Date: 29 Nov 1996 00:47:33 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <57lbr6$e2p@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for the SSS November quiz on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, hurry! On St. Niklas - Dec 6th - my five nieces (aged 12, 4, 2, 2, and 1/2) will draw the five winners from the pool of all correct answers. (Although I'll not play the role of Krampus or Nikolo, my nieces will of course get a chocolate bar each.) As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer license (worth upto US$ 99), or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). ******************************************************** Or a license for the brand-new - and yet in-the-works - NEXTSTEP on-line help to HTML on-line help conversion Application. ******************************************************** From Dec 7th, the Nov answer as well as the Nov winners as well as the **Christmas Quiz question** will be revealed... Have fun, - Stefan PS: many of the Nov contestants "complained" that the Nov quiz was/is too easy - well ... please await the SSS Christmas Quiz, which will be a real hammer! Stay tuned... -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: jalegre@andante-systems.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Concurrence -> PowerPoint? Date: 29 Nov 1996 19:32:19 GMT Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <57ndo3$d5t@stratus.skypoint.net> Is there any way to export Concurrence slide shows so they can be imported into PowerPoint? Note that I am only interseted in showing the slides with PowerPoint not editing them. This would be for a Win'95 platform. -- John N. Alegre Andante Systems ############################################################### # NeXTMail preferred. | # jalegre@andante-systems.com | If you plant ice, # alegrej@andante.mn.org | you're gonna harvest wind! # jalegre@lenti.med.umn.edu | Hunter/Garcia ############################################################### # URL http://www.andante-systems.com ###############################################################
From: Robert F Tobler <rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 102 Date: 25 Nov 1996 10:02:48 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <57bqs8$1uu@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> bnd00796@aol.com wrote: > 4) Word Processing. What's a good WP Program that I can use on my NeXT, > then use an Win '95 or Mac OS machine to print it on. I don't have a > printer, so I can use my System at work to print out my resumes, etc. I > guess a BETTER question would be "what word processor for NeXT can be > easily be converted by a lesser OS?" :) Cedar Word will read and write MS Word-compatible files using Rich Text Format (RTF, extension '.rtf'). Have a look at this Word Processor, it is a *very nice* application, and cheap (1st: ~$33, additonal ~$48, some discounts). You can obtain a Demo Version from: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/Text/commercial/CedarWord.1.0.NI.b.tar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/Text/commercial/CedarWord.1.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/editors/CedarWord.1.0.NI.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/editors/CedarWord.1.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz For further information look at the Cedar Systems Limited Web pages (you can download from there as well): http://www.cedar.co.uk/ http://www.cedar.co.uk/purchase.htm The application does not have all that many features yet, but it is fast, easy to use, and has .rtf as native document format. Just try it! Robert F. Tobler PS: I am not in any way connected to Cedar Systems Limited, I just tried their application, and find it to be one of the most useful NeXTstep applications I have used. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert F. Tobler - tel:+43(1)58801-4585,fax:5874932 Institute of Computer Graphics - mailto:rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Vienna University of Technology - http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~rft/
From: acr246@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ".Snd" to ".Wav" NS Date: 25 Nov 1996 10:59:53 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <57bu79$9mh@news.asu.edu> References: <57a698$s1b@news.asu.edu> <b187cc$151d31.2fe@news.goldengate.net> Hello Matt, Thank you for your reply. I have created source ".snd" files with Sound.app 3.0 (v4) for the most part and then tried to convert these files to ".wav" files. Using GISO, I can convert them to ".au" files, but not ".wav". I have even tried using some of the other programs I have listed to create the source ".snd" file, but have not been sucessful with attempts to convert them to ".wav" files. I hope this makes sense? I welcome any further info on this! Thanks a Bunch! Alieen mattj@invisix.com wrote: : Hey there, : I've used GSIO to convert some sound files, but I've found it's somewhat : picky regarding the source sound file. Not all .WAV files work in it (when : going from WAV to SND or from whatever to SND). : Not sure abot your problem there, but mine works on most files.... Good : luck. : acr246@imap2.asu.edu wrote: : >Greeting All! : > : > I am wondering how one can convert a ".snd" file to a ".wav" : >file? I am running NEXTSTEP 3.3 and have teh following programs - : >Resound 2.4, GISO 3.3, and Edit Sound 2.2. GISO is the only one that : >appears to have this feature, but when I try and do it, I receive an : >error message and the conversion is not performed. In fact, here is what : >the program gives me when I try and perform this conversion: : > : >Ready... : >/Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd used as input : >sox -V -t snd /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd -t wav : >/tmp/GISOa000300.snd : >sox: Found Sun/NeXT magic word : >sox: Input file /Aileen/Hillary_Web/EditSound3.snd: Sun header info: : >sox: Input file: using sample rate 8012 : > size bytes, style u-law, 1 channel : >sox: Input file: comment "" : > : >sox: Output file: using sample rate 8012 : > size bytes, style unsigned, 1 channel : >sox: Output file: comment "" : > : >Done. : >Could not load resultant sound. : > : > : >Can anybody offer suggestions as to how this can be done? Thanks a bunch! : > : > : -- : MATT | mailto:mattj@invisix.com NeXTMail Ok : jurcich | http://www.invisix.com : Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 : NeXTstation Turbo Color, 24MB, 250MB, NEC XP21, NEXTSTEP 3.2 : Novell Netware 3.12-10 Server, 486DX2-66, 240MB, 8MB
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 24 Nov 96 17:06:30 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov24170630@howard.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <57112l$75d@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <572qvd$bbq@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov22083011@howard.one.net> <5753qa$hak@news3.digex.net> <575mdc$5tu@knot.queensu.ca> <5764fd$l1s@news3.digex.net> <576avf$q9f@news.acns.nwu.edu> In-reply-to: jburton@nwu.edu's message of 23 Nov 1996 08:00:47 GMT In article <576avf$q9f@news.acns.nwu.edu>, jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) writes: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Again, don't get me wrong. GNU is a net plus benefit for > humanity, no doubt. I'm just saying that by dropping the GPL and > adopting a scheme more like the MiscKit, it would do MORE for > humanity... And also, that the tone of the manifesto, and the > underlying ideology, seem to me, completely communist-LIKE... Don't communists have the same right to be selfish as capitalists? Suppose I don't _want_ to help humanity, but only that subset of humanity that is willing to work around the GPL. I can easily see a programmer feeling that he'd like to make his code widely available to fellow-travelers, but would rather destroy his own code than let _you_ make money by taking foul advantage of his goodwill. Why shouldn't the law protect such a person's copyleft just as forcefully as it protects Bill Gates's copyright? Oh, but you'd like him to _voluntarily_ give up this protection. Well, why should he? What's in it for him? I agree fully with this point (some people would rather sit on their code than let others profit from it), because I've been in that exact situation in the past. These days, I have a (somewhat) better idea of my relative worth, and would be more likely to release it as copymiddle (assuming I don't intend to profit from it myself). I'm even getting to the point where I might be willing to go copyleft in certain instances, in order to explicitely prevent others from profitting from my work without my go-ahead. To tell the truth, though, it would bother me more if someone made no money and plagiarized my work than it would if they gave me credit and made a mint off of it. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 101 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 06:18:43 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961125061443.4113A-100000@kira> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122092430.20384H-100000@kira> <19961123042900.XAA16390@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3297c5ee.12319567@news.alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "William F. Adams" <drmsmyth@moonstar.com> In-Reply-To: <3297c5ee.12319567@news.alterdial.uu.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I did post my response, and probably have a copy around if you missed it. I just wanted to mention that if you want to develop stuff, you are best off learning OpenStep, I think, since NeXTstep programming will soon be only for those who want to develop for an OS that is no longer being developed. If you do want to go for NeXTstep, you'll probably want to get 3.3 (the last version of NeXTstep) so you can build for NeXT, Intel, HP, and SPARCs. NeXTstep no longer needs its own hardware from NeXT, Inc, but rather it can run under some Intel, HP, and SPARC machines. I know many people who dual-boot their machines between DOS/Win* and NeXTStep. just my thoughts. Email me if you would like more info. Be glad to help bring a wayward PC user to the light ;-) TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: What is your WordPerfect Date/Version? (Re: WordPerfect problem) Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E1FJnt.2vI@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:16:41 GMT References: <56r8p3$str@its.hooked.net> <574dtb$lfe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961122144420.29761A-100000@kira> <57ampr$r4g@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <57ampr$r4g@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Randy Jackson <randyj@lowana.sbs.ohio-state.edu> wrote: > >Whoops! Yes, it is 1994. I am concerned, though, about copyright >violations on giving people updates. > >When I called WP, moons ago, they just sent me the update (I was a >registered owner). Don't know what the story is now. > I remember someone calling Corel a while ago, and them saying that they've lost all copies of it. However, it was OK to give someone else an updated version, provided they had bought it in the first place. To be safe, though, one should likely phone Corel and get confirmation of this. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: DR <DR@darwin.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Webster on OpenStep Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:46:10 -0700 Organization: RR Message-ID: <329F4B92.57BA@darwin.edu> References: <199611281754.MAA09826@nerc3.nerc.com> <57lq5f$3q9@news.digifix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Anguish wrote: > > On 11/28/96, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > > >Why on earth would they drop Webster.app? > > > >What a stupid thing to do. What's next, Terminal? Well, at least > >there'd be Stuart.... So what? Preferences.app? Edit? Mail? > >That's really perhaps one of the dumbest things I've heard. > > > >Getting fed up with NeXT Software, INC > >TjL > > > > > > Uh, I just installed OpenStep 4.1 for Mach, and Digital Webster is > still present, and on the CD.... > > Perhaps the orignal poster was referring to OpenStep for Solaris. Yes, that's right. It's OpenStep on Solaris.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: olaf@orest.escape.de Subject: Re: g4tiff converter and viewer Message-ID: <E1n2Kq.43t@orest.escape.de> Sender: olaf@orest.escape.de (Olaf Mueller) Organization: Objective Methods, Inc. References: <57hunh$1cm@news.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:48:25 GMT In article <57hunh$1cm@news.tuwien.ac.at> knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) writes: > Hi all, > Does anyone know if there is a NextStep converter/viewer application for > g4tiff files (tiff files with g4 compression?). ImageViewer couldn't do > it :-( > Thanks very much, > Khanh Nguyen, Viewing a G3/4 tiff file should be (and is) no problem for ImageViewer, IconBuilder etc. For converting PostScript into G3/4 tiff there is a small program inside the voice/fax software package "pub/comp/platforms/next/Unix/communication/newam.0.2.NIHS.tar.gz" on the peanuts archive and is called "ps2gtif". Because you can convert everything to PostScript using PrintPanel, this might be, what you need. Regards Olaf
From: "Xinhang Shen" <nac@io.org> Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing,comp.software.measurement,comp.software.testing,comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sys.amiga.software,comp.sys.amiga.software.pirate,comp.sys.ibm.pc.software,comp.sys.next.software,de.admin.news.software,de.co Subject: Looking for software distributors Date: 29 Nov 1996 21:59:59 GMT Organization: NAC Geographic Products Inc. Message-ID: <01bbde40$8e32fcc0$75315ccc@shing.128.100.49.85> NAC Geographic Products Inc. is looking for software distributors for its great software - NACDraw Version 2.0. This is a powerful designing, drawing and document managing software. It is the most user-friendly and one of the most powerful CAD's in the world. Any companies interested in distributing this software worldwide please feel free to contact us. Our address is NAC Geographic Products Inc. 509-50 Stephanie Street Toronto, ON M5T 1B3 Canada NAC: 8CHK Q87P Phone: (416) 979 9306 Emai: nac@io.org Web: http://www.io.org/~nac/
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 24 Nov 96 17:27:13 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Nov24172713@howard.one.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 23 Nov 1996 00:09:49 GMT In article <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> wrote: >I also agree with Scott Hess, when he noted that if you're good >enough to improve Emacs that much, you're also good enough to >compartmentalize your changes as well. Right, but sometimes compartmentalizing is more a burden than time saved rewriting the whole thing from scratch, and other times it kills big O optimality, and sometimes restructuring things will negate a cool feature/result/efficiency that may be attained by interweaving the source throughout your app. I'm not debating that by compartmentalizing one can avoid the effects of GPL2b. I agree, offtimes you can. I'm talking of the situation where you cannot. Sounds like we need to change the entire debate from one of "Is GPL evil" to something like "Which is better, modular or monolithic cope". I simply am not willing to buy the argument that a piece of work can at one time be non-trivial (the developer added something), worth using (people want it), require GNU software as a base, and be impossible to compose into GNU sections and non-GNU sections. At worst, there are like four possible packages that would fit under this set of requirements, and though the poor authors or authors to be of those four packages are just screwed. In my experience, programs are _improved_ by modularization. Whenever I'm brought in to fix a program up, the _first_ thing I do is modularize it (if it isn't already). This gives me a chance to get familiar with it, and also provides a framework on which any additional work will be hung. Making small changes all over the place would, quite simply, going to result in a program neither I nor my client would care much for. And what if a new release of the base program comes out? Yeah, you can paint that picture pretty easily. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NeXT Novice Hoses Himself, PLEASE HELP Date: 29 Nov 1996 19:03:26 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <57nc1u$kif@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <mpd-ya023180002711961649180001@news.gulf.net> mpd@gulf.net (Mark Pappas) wrote: >The system came with a 105meg drive internal with 3.2 loaded. I have a >extra Maxtor 500meg drive. So I run builddisk on the 500meg drive everthing >goes great. Now I pull the 105 internal and put the 500meg in its place >SCSI ID 0 :)....The system boots to just a regular user, so I logout to >boot as root and it crashes. After crashing it ask me for a hardware key, >we'll guess what I don't have the hardware key. I read the NeXT faq and ah >it says pull the battery to reset the machine. I did that and now the NeXT >is stuck on "Loading from network" I guess I know enough to be dangerous :) There has to be one disk that supplies termpower to the SCSI bus. The SCSI adapter in a NeXTstation does not supply termpower (which is absolutly abnormal for a SCSI adapter). Normally the built in disk is configured to supply termpower. So if you simply change it and do not attach the old disk externally, you have a problem. Ther is AFAIK nothing about this in the Online Documentation of NS 3.2 an later. I have found it in the handbooks some day. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT 102 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 06:41:15 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961125062042.4113B-100000@kira> References: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: bnd00796@aol.com In-Reply-To: <19961125003700.TAA01783@ladder01.news.aol.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > NeXTStation Mono w/ 8 Megs of RAM, 105 Meg Hard Drive (CD-ROM: Not Yet. > Anyone got one for sale??) No, but I can give you info on a 4x to use if you want to spend ~$150. Call 1-800-real-pcs (aka 1-800-7325-727) Order: Sony CD-ROM CDU-76S (internal, but then buy) External Drive Case 1 HH 5.25" for CD-ROM (part # is: CS-extdr1) pay no more than $101 for the drive itself pay no more than $48 for the drive case There is someone named Hong there who was worked with people buying this same thing for NeXTstep before (although he might not remember!) Then you'll need a generic power cable and a SCSI cable to connect the CD-ROM case (SCSI-1) to the DB-25 slot on the back of your NeXTStation (I _think_ that's what it is called.... the slot on the far left as you look at the back of the slab > Now that that is out of the way, here are my questions: > > 1) Is there a program that tells me how much RAM I am using when programs > are open (like the Finder in Mac OS)? I am curious as to how much memory > each program I use is taking up, and if I'll need to upgrade my system. I > am not looking to compute Pi or anything, just want to be sure I have > enough room to breathe. In the "other two" Main OS's, each program you > buy tells you Min. System Requirements. With NeXT it seems like there are > no Minimums (hey, wouldn't THAT be nice???). NeXT was actually too honest about this from the start. They said how much RAM you really needed, and people said "Hey, that's more than windows" when Windows really needed that much to run "properly" (whatever that means ;-) I'd say you need at least 16-20. It's cheap these days. If you expect to run OmniWeb, etc (surf the net) you'll want to start at 32 and work your way up. > 2) I'd like to have a good Terminal Program that I can run in NeXT GUI and > not UNIX (those of you with whom I have previously corresponded with know > how much I try to avoid that...heheh). I've tried the Microphone and > TipTop ones...they BOTH say something about "Cannot be run from root > account." Do I have to make another login account just to use the bloody > program??? Ah grasshopper, you are wayward here. You should not login to the root account. But you say "root has the priviledges, why would I not want to be in it?" Ah, but wait. If root has the power, then root has the power to make mistakes much larger than a regular user. Very very few people don't have their own accounts setup, even on a standalone machine. Why? Because UNIX gives you a way to set permissions so you can't accidentally delete your VIFs (very important files/folders). Use UserManager. Create an account. Make yourself part of the the group "wheel" (so you can 'su' to root) > The only program I have found is "I COMM" which has everything > I could want out of a term program except ANSI emulation and support of > speeds over 14.4 baud. Any suggestions? no idea, checkout ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/comm/ > 3) I think I have made a mistake. I just purchased a modem cable from Mac > Connection for the NeXT 030 Cube (and, of course, I have the NeXT Slab). > I've checked the FAQ and it doesn't say anything about different cables > for Cube or Slab, just the "don't use a Mac Cable" warning. I've had one > person tell me that I should be fine, and another said I've screwed up. > At any rate, I guess that I'll find out when the cable arrives Monday (but > HEY, it only cost $3.95 + $5 shipping. If anyone out there has a NeXT > Cube and they need a nice BLACK modem cable, call 800-800-0002 and ask for > part #8992. It's a STEAL!). email tim@dancingbear.com I bet he'll know... > 4) Word Processing. What's a good WP Program that I can use on my NeXT, > then use an Win '95 or Mac OS machine to print it on. I don't have a > printer, so I can use my System at work to print out my resumes, etc. I > guess a BETTER question would be "what word processor for NeXT can be > easily be converted by a lesser OS?" :) 1) there isn't a really good WP program on NeXT 2) there isn't a free WP for NeXT CedarWord is coming right along, and its RTF is useable with other OS'es Word RTF. You can find a demo at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/editors/CedarWord.1.0.NI.b.tar.gz > 5) Now that I have determined that the company Hermann Marketing (listed > in the "current" FAQ) hasn't sold NeXT Merchandise for over 3 years, where > CAN I buy a nifty NeXT mousepad and T-Shirt (size XL)? :) I doubt there one..... > Bill (in Los Angeles...anyone want to come over and set up my PPP & Web > Browser?) be happy to. Just need 2 rountrip tickets from NJ (you don't think I'd go without my wife, now, do you?). TjL
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I convert Windows fonts to use with NEXTSTEP... Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:30:10 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <57chii$q4j@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <56vm7m$idv@digdug.pswtech.com> <572022$922@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <3297c4ff.12080424@news.alterdial.uu.net> Cc: drmsmyth@moonstar.com In <3297c4ff.12080424@news.alterdial.uu.net> William F. Adams wrote: > First, let me say thank you to everyone for the assistance! I'll get > up to speed yet! > > Secondly, I've managed to move fonts over by taking them to school, > converting them to .NeXT format using Fontographer 3.5, and then > installing those per the FAQ. > > Lastly, I'm not satisfied with losing hinting information/quality > thusly... > > I did grab FontConvert, but either I'm not using it right, or it's nor > working right. dragging fonts to it simply places them in the .app > folder, manually executing it doesn't seem to work either, nor does > double-clicking on it. > > I have NS2.1 extended--Is the above for 3.0 or later? > FontConvert was developed on 3.x. I have no idea if it works on 2.x... however usually it does a good job converting fonts... Have a nice day Frank -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: David Lawson <dlawson@cftnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 3.3 Drivers on 3.2 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 20:07:46 -0500 Organization: CFTnet Message-ID: <329F88E2.2FD1@cftnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To All: I am attempting to get NS 3.2 running on a HP Vectra XU 5/90 machine with 2 MB integrated video. There is a 3.3 driver for this video adapter on the Next site but I have been unable to get the Configure app to see the new config file. Can 3.3 drivers be used on 3.2 systems and if not, is a 3.2 driver for this adapter available? Thanks in advance, David Lawson dwlawson@gte.net dlawson@cftnet.com
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:30:52 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: Sorry that i do not have the time to write up all my arguments proberly. So i will focus on some subjects. >> And i have to say, that the spirit written down in my copy of the GNU > manifesto is exactly, what i remember and it proves you wrong. > > I guess all I can say is...people can interpret the same thing > differently... B/C you see it differently, doesn't necessarily mean it's > wrong or vice versa. Okay! I should have been more careful on that. I agree (with someone in another post) that the GNU manifesto is a more personal point of view from RMS. And it is not perfect (like everything is not perfect). He has a long term view of society working with computers in mind. > But to make my case I will put up examples/excerpts from the manifesto, > that show a dislike for commercial entities, and the charging of money for > software...Things that tend to say, as a programmer, just programming > should be reward enough...without money...quotes from the manifesto at > www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html: Generally i would say, you are not totally right here. Software sellers and programmers are not necessarily the same people. I think the manifesto is more against a special form of competion. > "Software sellers want to divide the users and conquer them, making each > user agree not to share with others" > > Seems to imply that people that sell software, are kinda the enemy... But that is what the best for compaines is (theoretically). And if the customers were not intelligent enough. > "That is to say, proprietary modifications will not be allowed. I want to > make sure that all versions of GNU remain free." > > So I cannot interweave GNU source into my app and charge... This is not correct and discussed in other mails. > "'Won't programmers starve?' > I could answer that nobody is forced to be a programmer. Most of us cannot > manage to get any money for standing on the street and making faces. But we > are not, as a result, condemned to spend our lives standing on the street > making faces, and starving. We do something else." > > Great answer huh! But my family is starving...well, he decided programmers > really don't need to be paid, so no one is forcing you to be a programmer, > so why don't you just go get a job at McDonalds... Yea, I must have been > nuts to interpret it the way I do! No Problem in describing a better idea and get work done in this direction. Maybe the MiscKit license is more helpful now, but the GPL is more helpful in my view considered "long term". > YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME (I knew there was a reason I didn't read this > crap for a long time, it makes me nutz!) So one, it's an evil to make as > much money as you can when you make something... So if I make a toaster, > and I try to maximize my profit I'm scum... If I make an app, and try to > maximize my profit I'm scum... Seems like the whole notion of capitalism > is abhorrent to him. He decided, in his infinite wisdom, that it's ok for > programmers not to make as much money. That after going through 4years of > college or more, it's ok if they get paid as little as a teller in > McDonalds. He decided for all of us what is just or not... You seem to be very annoyed by thoughts, which are not clear to you, but that gives you no reason to argu that way you do sometimes and in the last paragraph. RMS is not talking like guru. In fact i like his consideration much. > First off, in the long run we are all DEAD. Next, I've heard of such > description of nirvana like societies before from people who follow marxist > type of ideals. All I will do is point out how successful the FORMER > soviet union was at implementing such a nirvana. But today, PROGRAMMERS > NEED FOOD AND MONEY... Again, i think is okay to have a more lon term view in mind and work towards it. > You wish to have a debate of the advantages/disadvantages of intellectual > property right? Sure, I'm for it. I think in my rant above, I touched on > some economic and historical reasons why such rights are necessary. I am no lawyer, but i can tell you my moral opinion. The intellectual property law is not easy. Everybody should have the chance to protect their work and make money out of it or else. But that need not to be accepted by the majority of the people. The GNU manifesto is about intelligent computer users, which are individualists, who like to have standards and can stay independently from big companies. NO ONE HAS TO PARTICIPATE! As no one has to use M$ software. If the practical reasons force you... that is your problem. Like if GNU Software is soooo good and standard software... >> And there is another important difference between GNU and "communistic > thinking": Nobody is forced to join the GNU projects. But!! the GNU project > is quite successful! > > First, GPL2b acts like a VIRUS. If you use it you are forced by it's > terms. True, I never said that GNU was EXACTLY like communism, but in my > above rant, I point out where it is LIKE communism in philosophy. (M$ windoof is a terrible more dangours virus, as i am constantly "forced" to use it. :> ) What i read about communism (which is not much) included Popper`s "desintegration" of the theory. The GNU stuff is different, in a way that i cannot be attacked with the same arguments. And just saying "communism" and having all negative aspects coming in is not a way to argu, which should be accetable. [about paying programmers, again] (This thread seems to be a nice experiment ---- :->>) The programmers do not recieve the most money from their work, do they? They are payed by companies, which do the rest (including the profit). And the programmers are "forced" by the companies to tread the results of their work as a secret, even, if the customers could make real use of it. (The companies are holding better and clearer things back sometimes to make more money out of it....keeping the customers stupid.) So i like the idea that programmers are paid by companies (as before) to create free core, standard software. (And more special additionally software, for which the company really gets payed). This standards, which will come up then, will be very useful for the productivity of society in a whole. And YES I BELIEVE that the balance will be more positive counting the loss of money for the traditional computer-programming-business. And as this change will be relatively slow (no revolution intended, by GNU) all programmers have the chance to change their working subject. The Misc Lisence is nice and working if no real attack on that scheme is lanched. If it comes to a harder business war (with e.g. M$ defending its "monopol") the GNU GPL wil be BETTER as the STANDARDS ARE SAVE. As with MiscKit a company can can embrace and enlarge the code, making a defacto standard and then having a monopol again. Bernhard Reiter
From: psycoi@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Patrick Gallagher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OCR Software Available? Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:24:32 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <57crpg$pjo@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> Hello! Can anyone point me to currently available OCR software that runs on Mach/Intel. I have found references to eXTRAREAD, ExpressOCR, and OCR Servant, but have not been able to get good information on availability, capability, and affordability. Information much appreciated! PG -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Gallagher <Gallagher@uh.edu> (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is more to life than increasing its speed." -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: anim to QuickTime? Message-ID: <1996Nov30.085922.89900@cc.usu.edu> From: hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Howard R. Cole) Date: 30 Nov 96 08:59:21 MDT References: <1996Nov27.190010.89821@cc.usu.edu> <E1Mws2.Iv@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Organization: USU Space Dynamics Lab Cc: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org In <E1Mws2.Iv@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Thomas Engel wrote: > hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Howard R. Cole) wrote: > > Are there any applications or code fragments which > > would allow me to convert a sequence of tiff files (like > > an anim movie) and convert it into QuickTime format? > > > > Any pointers and tips welcome. > > > > Dr. Wave wrote an anim2mov converter which was available at the WavesWorld > site at MIT. > > If you can't find it let me know and might upload it to some FTP site if its > not already there. > > Aloha > Tomi Yes! This is -exactly- what I needed. You're a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you sir. - HRC -
From: rwakeman@thoughtport.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Web Page Design App? Date: 26 Nov 1996 03:28:18 GMT Message-ID: <57do4i$h46@news1-alterdial.uu.net> There are apps for mac and windows. (Adobe Pagemill, Claris Home Page), which simplify web page design. Not being a programmer myself, I was wondering if there are any such apps for NextStep or OpenStep? Thanks Robert rwakeman@thoughtport.com
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Changeing the color of the mouse-pointer? Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 18:05:42 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9611301705.AA26164@basil.icce.rug.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v146.2) In article <57mr2p$q7b@news.tuwien.ac.at>, you wrote: > I remember that someone once posted a way to change the color of the > mouse-pointer gloablly (not programmatically within an application, I know > this is possible and documented). I have searched the usenet archives, but > didn't find it. I now have a 21" Screen, and the black mouse pointer is > sometimes quite hard to find. For this purpose a mouse pointer in some > bright color might come in quite handy! Well, here may be just the right thing for you. I happened to save that article: it contained a postscript hack to set the mouse cursor to a rainbow color. Then I got a bit carried away and built a somewhat user-friendly shell script around it that allows one to set the cursor to an arbitrary color. For instance, `cursor-color --fat fd0 000' will get you a nice fat black-rimmed yellow cursor. Use `cursor-color --help' to get some instructions. Here it is: begin 755 cursor-color.gz M'XL(`$MGH#("`[69>W/:2!+`_[8^12\F>R9!6.`D=\$AM>#R@ZJLXP*\B<M) M.8,T0E/1ZT8C8RZ;[W[=,Q(8Q[&!9.TH&HVF?]-OA+S]&^R.1;R;!=;VLV?/ MK&T`)53(VUMN+K-$VFX2)I*FV3A3DKFJO?4V81XPT'?$_[@'.VZ>J22B<0VB M),\X&&DMEZL@D>VM41+!"9OPB,5U&`4<3KD*N`Q9[&7P&L7_&+-,A`WANKPA M\TDC#M^0O"LY4]QK;YTFUSP:<PG-5Z]>UL&7"&1P-H2`N5\@33)<!>,9O!Z/ M\^@/7PJ/S1IN$FE*E'C"%X31S"2=A=Q7;6O;VM[:.L!+*2:!@IV#FL8#D+J# M1JEQ@Y8!P`Z_<7FJ`#77.V:N%'A)&M0T:Q2(#/"?+SF'+/'5E$F^#[,D!Y?% M(+DGT(UBG"L.0@$:OYM(H]T,Q7$JCSVTD3907$89)+Z^.#X]AV,><\E".,O' MH7#AK7!YC+YF&:0TDP7:`8@A@2/28%AH`$<)<ID22;P/7)#CX9K+#*^A56Y1 M\.I`@=O:88K4EI"D)%9#76<08BCFDHV%Q:6E9/K"0@]$K,E!DJ(Y`1+1P*D( M0QASP#3Q\["."%P+[_NCDW?G(^B>7L#[[F#0/1U=[.-:3!Z\RZ^Y(8DH#3&, M@)M)%JL9ZHZ`/P\'!R<HT>WUW_9'%V@`'/5'IX?#(1R]&T`7SKJ#4?_@_&UW M`&?G@[-WP\,&P)"34ASE'W"NK\.#EGE<,1%FQN@+C&>&FH4>QOZ:8UQ=+JZY M*8MT]GC0D,'"))YH"W'M+1_N0V84`U^$'`[>G5WT3X]1W[X/<:+J,)4"LT<E MCP2Z#B]>P8BCPSB<A<SE8,,P)]&]/8?<WL,$IF5_=L%I-9M-N[GG_+L.Y\.N M-A+09)/?"#.5\I[)6,23ME$8`YA1NB9N'O&8PNUCJ>:2SY/V]/##:#@Z/$,K M<=DTXQ)3AVJIKR!B,XH3G=`JF";R"]E8Q)JF7<FR0'/NB@^3.NVN*ZC,TBE6 ME\B(892?8CU@35"-;]G`PC"9`I-C@4U,SHK^A#%D*:>8XI(L3]-$HF)YJ`0Y M#=>B"U(5E`M2[F*9FL:74:N)6<3QGFW;3W<MJRB+G1I\M0"X&R10^8Q-C=,R MJ#J?YR7G-/;`MF&IHU6L;Y:59]AOE@#G--.&9<ZE[?]MRT]PB06&!2FP3P^. M>Y==FADG$AM(>8V_&ASP,-VI;1%7[S'G?[2@-(C29R+(^UBV`;]A'MH;8>H6 MK+'ND3'/,KAF84Y^0TICTH"/%<=Q/E8@XBQ&QV"R?:GCI._[\\EI@)E'`MTP M#1CL8!CB+,4M8W=6H[9AV@P+Z^ASGV$,:!(92!`-W@#L%2%F3,K^FVO.`=8= M4VU,GM@VLT50,]UIR1`4U_[AF<*L11#W?>XJK;<N)C1YHG.7]M*FU[&"R_UW MM,ZV%%%$C96LJI6)0_7*5<,R6F=M)-I^'8/J8T*6/Y2B='T[V<@1;E`V#VR# MNKEP^NB;888E"NN(8))@DHEXC'E;PLKK,NJP,X^_CB&I)28Q$KT:04X(0J$O M-<)MIZ9X:;9.GS_`;X2BQ7_1XC)#YXN+B<52G4YNP-TO5WI/RE;8AFJS<\VD M8..0VRJQT3E0;75TGD!UKU/X%/>YPF6=2K59H<3#I(9*M84ACO'RTK%?,=O_ M=/=,MJ"@WJY3_=KZYNN)_7W8WGE`[++Y`_$EZ4IE^?[>TMVGYJ:IE7Z,]@C/ MU`L4MK6HDB-\`*)@?E\U%7CS>\LR`<2ZFU\9(I;!##Y^7JYN$[)_+3YZ1(S# M2#?UVH)'P0`:\HRY=$*%T)G:OQ^KQIP*=D,,EYJEO!,3([0L3$!L;FW+2\H( M5+>-_YT:UCAG7Q;,(D!-"I!QB'T"?Y=)50R*LSF!<1C=WS<J.DL.M?_2Z\H\ M6XP7P_FH'!1G<RHV*`#W[^'KI51ZYDPGOQ#4OL!;RQ)FC[*^%N/%<#XJ!\79 MG&[#"\KR!K;'Q_G$K-+#SHQGRTN*7)OGR?XBQ-\EY)TX98'P%48TYEB;\Y"2 MQ*73;'VJ%>)/:_?0-<+JFYKL=:@<;]<W]#$!^A7`#N\OS?=POE<!;/)^N2F9 M7^QKLHV4-=VO@Y\TU:^];W0X&_X4@/[&D%N`S2!W`.M#[@&L!_D!8'7(`X#5 M((\`'H>L`'@8\J`/[AXKY<%/.-$(K`OYKA8V`MR=7`=BW3?YTX`%Y'$3Z`E@ M?]_"7OP/MHE?5N6_K$A_68UM6"*K@=8`W`_:`+`,6A/0VU2#E=O$^LWJ!XFT M.N3>#ZQU(/=^9/[H,^@!#1[J-2MDXB]H$\53U3_0*AS/\7_JB8(`+S:$:``) MLPTA&D#"?G&P-2$:H(79K6,-B`&0T(L[!UL-8@`HX.T5AU,>S_U7SG_\E9XH M[@J6!P$>@QC`#X16?J*X+?3<\7PZUG+B;34-Q/=;>&S\1$'"SCJ`^XK4T9"Q MO_$3!0EO#-B@59AO-,5W5_UE2[]@P"]<-?.]NWQKTJGVZ\4+LTZUI[]8%5_, MJZ;'5(HY\QW3<%-?P>O7<'5U^.[HZ@K>['K\>C?.PQ!:;WYO6D]^.QO:72\9 M<[O5<.#P;'A$`^O)DQZ]FA7QI)?<M,'!W^9+_(<W#F/O((GH/51FS>=A0"^< M8WK7K=]^6EZ>%D/<4+A<$LZ:9.R:6T8B<UE8CI];E_@_T6Q];K[\9'U];15V M66^^@<]"=-`>,'HA)R)Z*3BA5V6)Q$&FF.)6S&^4)UP%NU>G'X8!D]P[EFQF M7N%-N`+K],/5:,K#:]X3:G#<@R;ZUN,W]'*LU#5502@BH:SOE5\8^P*>@TS0 EAP[LM8#^(`-N$J5))D@-=*X1L^AO(H4_B@!8_P?L6ME@PQH````` ` end Hope this helps, -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Ed is the standard text editor" __/ _/_/ -- Unix Programmer's Manual
From: fluke@MCS.COM (Greg Linder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need help installing NS 3.2 for Intel Date: 30 Nov 1996 11:58:07 -0600 Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <57psjf$5jk@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> I'd like to install NS 3.2 for Intel but have run amuck. The SCSI controler I'm using is a AHA 1510A which is not supported from the boot floppy but is supported on the Additional Driver disk found within NeXTAnswers. After I created the Additional Drivers disk from the instructions listed NS will not recognize the new disk. I used RAWRITE to copy the floppy image given to a formatted DOS floppy, however after I choose to load additional drivers and insert the new disk I get bad disk magic from NS, and thus I'm unable to install NS. Can anyone help? Has anyone created a Additional Drivers floppy for 3.2 and gotten it to work? Any help will be appreciated. THanks much, -Jon Welch jonwelch@iastate.edu
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 30 Nov 1996 19:27:54 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57q1rq$6ei@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <573fba$de3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <577fkn$ott@news4.digex.net> <57avin$ann@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <57b398$nri@news.acns.nwu.edu> <57ipmf$c3a@news4.digex.net> <57j3tp$9cg@news.acns.nwu.edu> jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > Since the null set satisfies all predicates, I think this is a true statement. There are NO private corporations (`private', to exclude universities, DoE, CERN, and so on) funding fusion research today, so far as I or my friends in plasma physics know. If the Ignition Test Reactor gets built in the next 15 years, it will be 100% publicly (and internationally) funded. And neither it nor its foreseeable successors will be profitable. Well, I'm no physisist. I'll take your word for it that no energy companies fund such research. Doesn't change things for the point I was making (at least to me)...that the vast majority of projects that advance humanity in some way, are done for some gain... That capatalism, and reward for work, is a great incentive to create and innovate. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Good 'draw' software ? Date: 26 Nov 1996 11:28:19 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development Message-ID: <57ek8j$7la@alice.turbocat.de> References: <32988a41.0@news.hampshire.edu> <E1EB6p.2EI@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: (...) > For simple stuff Lighthouse's Diagram! can't be beat. Stone Design's Create >is good for more complex stuff as well. > Check out http://www.lighthouse.com/ and http://www.stone.com/. Look at SuperDraw too. It should be available at www.impact.com _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 30 Nov 1996 19:52:57 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57q3ap$6ei@news3.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57djud$e0h@news4.digex.net> <57h6p0$e59@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <57ihtl$c3a@news4.digex.net> <57mj8b$jnq@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) wrote: > In article <57ihtl$c3a@news4.digex.net>, > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > > True, I'm biased, I cannot deny that...I do have a dislike for many of the > > tennants of communism... > You should not! As we are trying to talk about a theory. The theory itself is not really good or bad. (But was ment good i think.) Why people are acting the "communistic" way is a different thing and i do not like most of that actions, too. Well, I won't go into it too deeply but just note...I don't dislike the good "intentions" behind communism...as I said before, I'm a product of a communist state, and I have personal reasons for disliking it and understanding it's practical failures. And, I've noted what I believe to be theoretical oversights in marx's theory. So those things coupled together make me dislike it... The short of it is, you can have all the good intentions in the world of making my computer work perfectly, but if your basic assumptions are wrong and dont work in practice, don't expect me to like it when you break my computer... But the basic good intentions behind communism, of greater equality of opportunity, lack of poverty, etc...I have no problem with, I just think better models exist by which we can implement those good intentions. > Yes, the Intellectual Property Right have to be preserved. But what about making the period shorter for software. And somehow the political and economical system have to prevent shutting away key technologies (a shorter period would address that, too) and building up to big monopols or ogiopols. This is an excellent point and one that's debated often, make copyrights or something like it shorter for software... And I have no problem with it...sure sounds fine...but I just note one problem with it...I don't think it will change anything in the software industry. Why? B/C of the nature of software. You copyright version 1.0 of Word and have say 75years of copyright time on it...but you come out with version 1.5 in 6months, and get a copyright on that...so the 1.0 copyright becomes almost useless... See what I mean, the pace of development is really more of a limitation on the length of copyright then the law could ever be... But again, I have no problem of say, limiting it to 7years or something like that... As for monopoly and oligopolies...that really is an issue with antitrust laws. And believe it or not, we have GREAT antitrust laws in the US... The problem is the DoJ wont enforce them against clear violators like ms... Why, well, I don't know for sure, but ms was very generous to the Clinton campaign... > This two things are addressed by the GNU projects. And i think this wants be a minimal bases, leaving a lot of things to earn money by for the real companies. The de-facto circle resulting in using m$ products is attacked a little harder that way. Well, I think GNU cripples itself more than ms. If it were to allow its software to be used by everyone, little companies would have BETTER ammunition to use against ms... And if GNU works became defacto standard equipment, even ms would be forced to use it... Anyway, I won't argue this point as me being right or you being wrong or vice versa... I think it's an honest difference of opinion as to what would result industry wide...and either way, we are being really speculative... I think we can agree on this: you think GNU is better for the industry and humanity at large, and I think the MiscKit of licensing is better...But both are nice and have helped everyone out... > No Problem! But i thought you would know about that essential rule of news article writing. >:-> I do, I do! :) But I'm just too eager and dive right in on top :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (BongOk Kim (kornet)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: [Q] NEXTSTEP 3.3 Install CD-ROM on the Cube Date: 26 Nov 1996 12:13:15 GMT Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <57emsr$p3p@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> Hi, I have a NeXTcube and I''m going to install the NEXTSTEP 3.3 with CD-ROM drive. But I don't know How can I intstall the NEXTSTEP without floppy drive. Please give me some advice. Thanks, YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TIFFany's URL? Date: 26 Nov 1996 00:39:13 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <57de7h$m3h@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <329A0C60.24C5@www.kornet.nm.kr> rainmkr <rainmkr@www.kornet.nm.kr> writes > Where can i find graphic program,tiffany's home page? > thanks. There is no TIFFany home page per se; but since I am one of the authors, I have a web page set up with the most basic informations about the application. The URL is: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj/T2.htmld The current versions of T2 can always be downloaded from tiffany2.stanford.edu, short of campus network downtimes... Let me know if you have any other questions concerning TIFFany. - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil Date: 26 Nov 1996 02:16:45 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57djud$e0h@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <56pnl9$a9n@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <570p6d$2gt@news4.digex.net> <574btq$bqm@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <575aij$hak@news3.digex.net> <57chjs$gi8@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) wrote: > Generally i would say, you are not totally right here. Software sellers and programmers are not necessarily the same people. I think the manifesto is more against a special form of competion. Well, I don't think I have EVER been TOTALLY right in my life on ANYTHING :) But I think It's pretty fair to say that is the gist of things... Anyway, just as a logical necessity... Programmers that try and sell their software, do become software sellers; they're the small fry innovative guys that he mushes in with everyone else. No where in the manifesto did I see, well, this is just for big nasty guys, but the small fry programmer dudes do deserve to make tons of money from their intellectual property. He just doesn't like the whole idea of Intellectual Property (well, I wont guess as to what he in his heart of hearts believes...but the manifesto leads one to reasonably believe that the it doesn't like IP Rights). > > "Software sellers want to divide the users and conquer them, making each > > user agree not to share with others" > > > > Seems to imply that people that sell software, are kinda the enemy... > But that is what the best for compaines is (theoretically). And if the customers were not intelligent enough. First, I'm not arguing the merit of his 'claims,' just that they are making people that sell software the enemy. Whether or not they deserve that title is a WHOLE other debate... Point being, that's the way the manifesto sees'em... > No Problem in describing a better idea and get work done in this direction. Maybe the MiscKit license is more helpful now, but the GPL is more helpful in my view considered "long term". Well that point I say is arguable (but not in snide way :). That you certainly have a point. In a 'long term' (remember we are all dead in the long run :) manner, a society that needs no laws, or law enforcement, that is communal, with no need for property rights may be the most productive way... I can't argue that far in the future. What I can put forth is this... We're not there yet...and, maybe, right now, using something that we aren't ready for as an ideological basis for GNU licensing, that is arguably better, may be COUNTER productive based on todays world and realities.... That as it stands, today, the MiscKit, I believe, would increase donations, and improve humanity...today...more so than the current GPL way of doing things... > You seem to be very annoyed by thoughts, which are not clear to you, but that gives you no reason to argu that way you do sometimes and in the last paragraph. RMS is not talking like guru. In fact i like his consideration much. Why do you have to disparage me? Am I so clearly incompetent? Am I so clearly daft that I cannot understand these principles? I freely admit that communist like notions annoy me. I have reason. I AM A PRODUCT OF COMMUNISM. I have also been a student of it... So when I see that dogma, it irritates me; is that so unreasonable? I have personal reasons why I don't like it. Why do you have to try and paint me as an oaf who cannot comprehend things. Have I, in this thread or otherwise, painted you as too stupid to comprehend things? If I did I apologize. To me, he clearly is espousing notions of against Intellectual Property, and establishing a center to control all that property... To me, and I don't think it's all too unreasonable to see it this way, it reminds me of communist models. > > type of ideals. All I will do is point out how successful the FORMER > > soviet union was at implementing such a nirvana. But today, PROGRAMMERS > > NEED FOOD AND MONEY... > Again, i think is okay to have a more lon term view in mind and work towards it. Taking the long road is not necessarily the most effective, efficient way...and taking the MiscKit way, may benefit humanity as a whole far more. On that long journey, one does have to EAT... Furthermore, I don't know there is necessarily a pot full of gold at the end of that road. Many scholars (people much smarter than I'll ever be) note that much of marx's theory has been smashed by models such as the US; models he never envisioned. And even when we get to the end of this long road, you nor I have the farsight to know what scheme is better... All I can say is that in my opinion, the MiscKit way of dealing with software donations, will 1) increase overall donations, and 2) benefit humanity more than the current GPL way of doing things. > I am no lawyer, but i can tell you my moral opinion. The intellectual property law is not easy. Everybody should have the chance to protect their work and make money out of it or else. But that need not to be accepted by the majority of the people. The GNU manifesto is about intelligent computer users, which are individualists, who like to have standards and can stay independently from big companies. NO ONE HAS TO PARTICIPATE! As no one has to use M$ software. If the practical reasons force you... that is your problem. Like if GNU Software is soooo good and standard software... Well, I'm no lawyer either :) And you're right. NO ONE has to participate. So in that sense, everyone gets what the contract for. I think this point was made earlier. I have no problem. I do think the people that do GNU, know what they are getting into...and maybe even a lot of them or most of them like the way it is... But I would bet at least a few don't necessarily like it's structure. And more importantly, at least to me, is what if making the GPL more like the MiscKit would help humanity more, and increase donations? Wouldn't that be a good thing? If we knew that for certain it would both increase donations and improve humanity, wouldn't we want to change it to a scheme more like the MiscKit's? > > above rant, I point out where it is LIKE communism in philosophy. > What i read about communism (which is not much) included Popper`s "desintegration" of the theory. The GNU stuff is different, in a way that i cannot be attacked with the same arguments. And just saying "communism" and having all negative aspects coming in is not a way to argu, which should be accetable. A couple of the important attributes of communism, as far as I have learned, through perhaps one too many sociology classes during undergrad, is that it has a communal notion of property rights (namely none for any individual, all for everyone), and all those communal rights and properties are governed by a strong center. To me, the manifesto in general, and GPL2b in particular, seem to advocate and strip away Intellectual Property rights away from individuals (so no _one_ possess any), and puts them under the control and governance of a strong center (GNU and the GPL), allowing (all to share in the totality of the rights and property). To me, that seems like a pretty strong parallel. Sure, there are other obvious, and important differences between the two (and actually some other similarities that I've spouted before ad nauseam)... All I'm saying is that there are some parallels...and not being a big lover of communism, I don't particularly like all those parallels. > [about paying programmers, again] > (This thread seems to be a nice experiment ---- :->>) > The programmers do not recieve the most money from their work, do they? They are payed by companies, which do the rest (including the profit). And the programmers are "forced" by the companies to tread the results of their work as a secret, even, if the customers could make real use of it. (The companies are holding better and clearer things back sometimes to make more money out of it....keeping the customers stupid.) Well, the above is a social structure argument...and I don't want to get into really... Let's say, by and large this is true...but I can also put forth an argument that these programmers sacrifice higher pay for greater security. Nothing stops them from making their own business and competing...but that is risky, markets are volatile (to say the least in the technology industry) and so they trade great rewards for greater stability (relatively). Furthermore, I don't see the companies as all that bad necessarily. Most programmers get paid better on average than other employees in other industries. Is GM evil for giving more to itself or shareholders than to employees? Maybe, maybe not. Depends. If you put $50,000 of your own money in a company, you want compensation. You the investor take all the risk, while shielding the employee, in my opinion the investors DESERVE to make more for risking more in the first place. If the programmers feel they deserve more, they should suck it up, and become less risk averse, and stop drawing a salary, put up their life's savings and go for it. > This standards, which will come up then, will be very useful for the productivity of society in a whole. And YES I BELIEVE that the balance will be more positive counting the loss of money for the traditional computer-programming-business. And as this change will be relatively slow (no revolution intended, by GNU) all programmers have the chance to change their working subject. All I can say is I disagree vehemently. I think both of us have given both our sociological and economic reasons as to why we disagree...I don't see much progress on this point. I think that GNU and it's communist-like tendencies espoused in both the manifesto and the GPL, that they have been shown to be ineffective both in theory and practice... And my belief is that a system such as that of the MiscKit would increase donations and value for all of humanity. I guess I stand alone in this position and that no one will even consider that GNU and everyone might benefit by changing the GPL to act more like the MiscKit. > The Misc Lisence is nice and working if no real attack on that scheme is lanched. If it comes to a harder business war (with e.g. M$ defending its "monopol") the GNU GPL wil be BETTER as the STANDARDS ARE SAVE. As with MiscKit a company can can embrace and enlarge the code, making a defacto standard and then having a monopol again. No they cannot. The one limitation in the MiscKit is that it DEMANDS review by anyone that might want to make a competing kit based on the entirety of the MiscKit. Now, if that request is coming from someone threatening the kit and humanity, that review may be turned down...and if on the contrary, it promises benefits, it may be approved. It's safe, and more flexible, and has more benefits for programmers and humanity in general than does the GPL. -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GNU manifesto/GPL is evil (was Re: quest for bids ( WAS Re: Radio Audio Software for the NeXT? )) Date: 26 Nov 1996 01:27:41 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <57dh2d$e0h@news4.digex.net> References: <56l9cs$v93@Vir.com> <56lmrj$kaf@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov20084342@howard.one.net> <570v8n$59r@news4.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov21125808@slave.one.net> <572snn$bbq@news4.digex.net> <qdafsa29xm.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <5738jl$d40@news4.digex.net> <qd4tih20d6.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> <575fcd$hak@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Nov24172713@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > Sounds like we need to change the entire debate from one of "Is GPL evil" to something like "Which is better, modular or monolithic cope". I simply am not willing to buy the argument that a piece of work can at one time be non-trivial (the developer added something), worth using (people want it), require GNU software as a base, and be impossible to compose into GNU sections and non-GNU sections. At worst, there are like four possible packages that would fit under this set of requirements, and though the poor authors or authors to be of those four packages are just screwed. Well, at this point in the thread I don't know who mentioned it...if it was you or someone else...but they mentioned that sometimes compartmentalizing can be a pain in the neck. And I completely agree that good code does like to be modular... But, at least for me, the concerns of making software modular, should be based on things like _efficiency_ and not on legal documents forcing you to, like the GPL. In essence, you would be positing, that making things modular based on contractual requirements of GPL is always an optimal solution. I posit it is not. Further, even if it were only the four self-admitted examples you put forth... If those four works could be used by hundreds of thousands of people....that would be worth while... I just cannot see any reason to stick with the GPL if better models exist. > In my experience, programs are _improved_ by modularization. Whenever I'm brought in to fix a program up, the _first_ thing I do is modularize it (if it isn't already). This gives me a chance to get familiar with it, and also provides a framework on which any additional work will be hung. Making small changes all over the place would, quite simply, going to result in a program neither I nor my client would care much for. And what if a new release of the base program comes out? Yeah, you can paint that picture pretty easily. I certainly won't argue your expertise =) I don't deserve to be down wind of a gas emission from you...as far as software development goes :) But, I'll just re-iterate the point above... Currently the GPL FORCES a certain modulazization on the programmer... Something that is not necessarily an optimal solution. I posit that it's better to let the software designer choose the structure and layout of the code, rather than be forced by legal constraints of GPL. -- Thanks, be well, take care, cio for now, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
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