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From: john@gscorp.com (John C. Fox) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next EPS to Macintosh (Quark Express) Conversion Date: 30 Jun 1996 22:19:34 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <4r6uhm$dp5@sun.sirius.com> References: <1996Jun27.230907.25091@cyantic.com> <4r39pn$l1c@soap.news.pipex.net> Cc: quite@dial.pipex.com > > - PC-format, which includes a TIFF or WMF preview inside the EPS file > - Mac-format, which includes a PICT preview accompanying the file > - EPSI-format, which includes a greyscale preview as PostScript > comments in the file. > > So, what is NeXT format EPS. Actually, I rather suspect it is EPS > without preview, with NeXT using its display PostScript facilities to > show you the preview. > Hi There: Tailor Publishing will let you save EPS files with TIFF preview. Since Quark went cross platform, it should be able to load and display the files. However, the preview is in greyscale only. Go figure. It shouldn't upset the printing though. Hope this helps. John C. Fox
From: jhills@unix.infoserve.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MIDI on black hardware Date: 30 Jun 1996 23:08:44 GMT Message-ID: <4r71ds$pf2@news.infoserve.net> What do I need to install to play standard MIDI files on my 68040 cube, either using the DSP or an external keyboard? Thanks.
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader Date: 30 Jun 1996 21:27:01 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <4r6rf5$1f2@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > >Anyone care to comment on this? I've been using it and it seems >quite good. Only problem I had is that it didn't seem to save my >.newsrc without me manually telling it to do to before quitting. I use it since some months now (connected to an INN-server on my local network). I had no crashes till now (not like NewsGrazer) and it is fast ans easy to handle. I have not the problem not saving .newsrc. I use version 0.82. What I miss: a possibility to save articles in local folders like NewsGrazer. I forward articles I want to keep to my mail address and save them in a mail folder. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Does anyone have a m68k NS3.3 compiled binary of the latest slrn (I think it's 0.8.8.3)? Date: 1 Jul 1996 02:38:15 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-b-23.usc.edu Message-ID: <4r7dmn$4or@usc.edu> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <slrn4tbvbt.bqj.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> Cc: jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com In <slrn4tbvbt.bqj.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > To me that seems like a pretty bad thing. I'd suggest trying slrn > (ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slrn/). It's quick (probably quicker than > any GUI newsreader you'll use) and I'm fairly sure the next release (0.8.9) > will offer programming extensions you won't find in most newsreaders > (certainly any GUI newsreader I've heard of). Does anyone have a m68k NS3.3 compiled binary of the latest slrn (I think it's 0.8.8.3) that they'd be willing to NeXTMAIL me? -- Be well, Matthew Reichman reichman@usc.edu USC-CNTV NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k NeXTMAIL & MIME welcome =============================================================== PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" --------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader --> RadicalNews Date: 1 Jul 1996 02:44:28 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-b-23.usc.edu Message-ID: <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <4r6rf5$1f2@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> Cc: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de In <4r6rf5$1f2@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> Michael Pieper wrote: > I use [NEWSFLASH] since some months now (connected to an INN-server on my local > network). I had no crashes till now (not like NewsGrazer) and it is fast ans > easy to handle. I have not the problem not saving .newsrc. I use version > 0.82. > > What I miss: a possibility to save articles in local folders like NewsGrazer. > I forward articles I want to keep to my mail address and save them in a mail > folder. First, I'm using RadicalNews and have found it to be extremely good. It auto saves the .newsrc upon shut down; it stores news files in specific folders that can be set in preferences to be automatically indexed and index updated for Librarian; I have not had it crash in a loooong time. It threads nicely and has a very rich set of preferences. It has a main newsreading window with the particular group threads in a browser at the top (everything is resizable), and the usenet groups are in separate flying browsers (which you can order and separate and so forth to suit your own organizational needs). Anyway. I have found it very econimical in use of screen space, and very versatile, and very stable. And it's ..... free. Just a happy user's comments. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman reichman@usc.edu USC-CNTV NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k NeXTMAIL & MIME welcome =============================================================== PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" --------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: luomat@charisma.nerc.com (Timothy J. Luoma) Subject: Re: Does anyone have a m68k NS3.3 compiled binary of the latest slrn (I think it's 0.8.8.3)? Message-ID: <slrn4teg6m.hko.luomat@charisma.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:04:58 GMT References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <slrn4tbvbt.bqj.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4r7dmn$4or@usc.edu> In article <4r7dmn$4or@usc.edu>, Matthew N. Reichman wrote: >In <slrn4tbvbt.bqj.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> J.B. Nicholson-Owens >wrote: >> To me that seems like a pretty bad thing. I'd suggest trying slrn >> (ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slrn/). It's quick (probably quicker than >> any GUI newsreader you'll use) and I'm fairly sure the next release (0.8.9) >> will offer programming extensions you won't find in most newsreaders >> (certainly any GUI newsreader I've heard of). > > >Does anyone have a m68k NS3.3 compiled binary of the latest slrn (I think >it's 0.8.8.3) that they'd be willing to NeXTMAIL me? I don't think that wouldn't work, because there are some things which you have to set, and some libraries which are needed. However, I'll send it to you, and you can see if it works for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Watch this space for my Webpage (Soon!)
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From: markm@winternet.com (Mark Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader Date: 1 Jul 1996 06:15:03 GMT Organization: Winternet Corporation, Mpls, MN Message-ID: <4r7qd7$9a4@blackice.winternet.com> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <jbf-3006961602460001@news.tiac.net> In article <jbf-3006961602460001@news.tiac.net>, James B. Frazer <jbf@frazer.com> wrote: >In article <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com>, luomat@nerc.com wrote: > >> I'd like to hear how others have found this app to be (good/bad/indiff). > >At one point a few months back, I tried the latest releases of everything >I could find. My benchmark was NewsWatcher on the Mac. I'm still using >NewsWatcher because it's free, it's fast and it has a sensible window setup >(three windows - selected groups, articles in group, and article - plus an >all groups window if you need it). I wholeheartedly agree. NewsWatcher for the Mac is an outstanding newsreader. As far as GUI newsreaders go, it's layout is sensical and simple to use. I use it with my PowerBook quite often. On the other hand, RadicalNews is a GUI nightmare. It seems like it imitates one of those poorly laid out PC newsreaders; cramming all the info into one window certainly isn't the best way to design a newsreader. -- Mark Miller | "The things that pass for knowledge I just markm@winternet.com | can't understand." - Steely Dan
From: "Andrew M. Priasmoro" <ampriasm@students.wisc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Mouse. Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 01:28:24 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: <31D77008.7DFE@students.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does NeXT mouse use bus type connector? If not, what type of connector does it use? Does any one know if I could use NeXT mouse for IBM PC system? Thanks in advance. Andrew.
From: ti6hk@trick.ti6.tu-harburg.de (Henry Koplien) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MPeg-Player Date: 1 Jul 1996 06:28:06 GMT Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r7r5m$3qg@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Hi... Has anybody a public-domain MPeg-Player which works? I mean really work! Playing video *and* sound. The newer MPeg-streams for video and sound aren't recognized by the available tools, maybe I am missing one. (for NS3.3, Intel) Thanks Henry
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Animation in OmniWeb Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:28:26 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960701142546.26803A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <199606270353.DAA02112@next.fiton.is> <Dtt5FB.5HD@interpc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <Dtt5FB.5HD@interpc.de> On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Jens Ch. Gloede wrote: > Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarni@fiton.is> writes > > Has any one managed to get animation in OmniWeb, > > like animated GlF89? > > Nope, only the last/first images appear, and they won't cycle too. > But: I've seen this working! On Black hardware. I don't remember which version of OmniWeb it was... (some version of OmniWeb 2.x) For a test on frames with animated gifs I prefer the commercial pages of Sony's Playstation. Best regards, Boerny. -- Bernhard Scholz (IRC: Boerny) scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de http://peanuts.leo.org/ http://www.leo.org/~scholz/
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 1 Jul 1996 13:17:06 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <4r8j4i$gtm@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> In-Reply-To: <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> > Actually, there were also reports of people with far more than 32MB > of RAM saying that OmniWeb version 2 was still slow to do anything > (including loading bookmarks). If at all possible, I recommend > skipping NS WWW clients and using Netscape instead. It might > represent corporate greed more than the NS developers, but if you're > primarily interested in a Netscape-compatible web client that runs > quickly in a reasonable amount of memory, you won't find one on > NS. > OK, well here's a report from someone running OmniWeb 2 on a NeXTstation color with 20MB RAM, and it works fine for me. It's not blisteringly fast, but given the age of the equipment and the speed of the Net I can't say I'm surprised. As for comparison with NetScape: for this task I'd rather do something slowly but well --as is the case with OmniWeb, rather than quickly and get something hideous -- as is the case with NetScape. Best wishes, mmalc. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960701104553.11433A-100000@charisma> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:49:56 -0400 References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <jbf-3006961602460001@news.tiac.net> <4r7qd7$9a4@blackice.winternet.com> In-Reply-To: <4r7qd7$9a4@blackice.winternet.com> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Jul 1996, Mark Miller wrote: > In article <jbf-3006961602460001@news.tiac.net>, > James B. Frazer <jbf@frazer.com> wrote: > >At one point a few months back, I tried the latest releases of everything > >I could find. My benchmark was NewsWatcher on the Mac. I'm still using > >NewsWatcher because it's free, it's fast and it has a sensible window setup > >(three windows - selected groups, articles in group, and article - plus an > >all groups window if you need it). > > I wholeheartedly agree. NewsWatcher for the Mac is an outstanding > newsreader. As far as GUI newsreaders go, it's layout is sensical > and simple to use. I use it with my PowerBook quite often. While this might be quite interesting, telling me what is good on a MAC does me little good. I am sorry to hear that the NeXTStep newsreaders aren't as good as other OS's, but it isn't surprising I guess since there's such a small market... > On the other hand, RadicalNews is a GUI nightmare. It seems like it > imitates one of those poorly laid out PC newsreaders; cramming all > the info into one window certainly isn't the best way to design a > newsreader. This is a matter of preference and style of course... I know others who don't like having to deal with more than one window.... I also know of people using 21" monitors, who don't feel as cramped as some of us... TjL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Watch this space for my Webpage (Soon!)
From: Geert Jan van Oldenborgh <gj@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 17:31:57 +0200 Organization: Lorentz Institute for Theoretical Physics Message-ID: <31D7EF6D.4964@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > > Actually, there were also reports of people with far more > than 32MB of RAM saying that OmniWeb version 2 was still > slow to do anything Well, on a 25 MHz 'station with 20MB OmniWeb is slow but usable. Its memory requirements are fun. Often a 'ps' (or 'top') reveals it has claimed immense amounts of memory (100-200 MB!!), when in fact the size of the swapfile and the intensity of swapping indicate that only 20 or so are in active use. Of course, in OmniWeb I tend to have many more open pages than in NetScape. -- G.J. van Oldenborgh Lorentz Institute for Theoretical Physics, Leiden University email: gj@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl web: http://www-lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/gj/gj.html
From: Geert Jan van Oldenborgh <gj@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Animation in OmniWeb Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 17:25:51 +0200 Organization: Lorentz Institute for Theoretical Physics Message-ID: <31D7EDFF.6B7@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> References: <199606270353.DAA02112@next.fiton.is> <Dtt5FB.5HD@interpc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jens Ch. Gloede wrote: > Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarni@fiton.is> writes > > Has any one managed to get animation in OmniWeb, > > like animated GlF89? > Nope, only the last/first images appear, and they won't cycle too. If they ever implement this, I hope they at least have the ability to turn it off... Here, we use our workstations for calculations as well as browsing, and it is a bit irritating to see your big Monte Carlo run at half speed because someone went for lunch with netscape pointed at a site with cute animated icons. -- G.J. van Oldenborgh Lorentz Institute for Theoretical Physics, Leiden University email: gj@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl web: http://www-lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/gj/gj.html
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software From: Charles F Waltrip <waltrip@zephyr.jhuapl.edu> Subject: Re: No Comments Re OS4.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <31D7FB33.7DE1@zephyr.jhuapl.edu> Sender: usenet@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab References: <jbf-2406961802310001@news.tiac.net> <ANDERSON.96Jun25214620@sapir.ling.yale.edu> <DtLzw2.JwK@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> <4qrvrv$7ta@news1.channel1.com> <31D3CC34.41E6@mpr.ca> <DtpsA9.Ko@AWT.NL> <4r4lnl$cn5@ratty.wolfe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:22:11 GMT Dayne Miller wrote: > > >Scott Mewett <mewett@mpr.ca> wrote: > >>Also I asked regarding NeXT apparel and they said that they would be > >>opening a NeXTMaRT ;-) for selling NeXT stuff (ie. t-shirts) on the > >>internet. This would be in the coming months probably in the hot > >>news > > So would this be: > > "THE OBJECT IS THE APPAREL" > No! As Steve might say, "you just don't *get* it." It's "THE APPAREL IS THE OBJECT" NeXT has made the next logical transition. First they moved from hardware to software. Now they're moving from software to soft goods! A masterstroke!!! As Steve has said (to paraphrase a bit), the problem with Microsoft is that they lack TASTE. Well, all you have to do is just LOOK at Steve and Bill side-by-side to know where Steve is coming from. And so the new NeXT marketing approach: win the backs of the programmers and their hearts and designer pocketbooks will follow. Surely the new line of Mission Critical Soft Goods will be...bikini underware (in black). Yes, this approach will WORK! Be gone! all ye naysayers. ____________ Charles F. Waltrip Opinions expressed are my own. The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory email: waltrip@zephyr.jhuapl.edu phone: (410) 792-6596 fax: (410) 792-5597
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:28:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <4r91so$o7b@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960701104553.11433A-100000@charisma> In article <Pine.NXT.3.94.960701104553.11433A-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> writes: > snip > > >> On the other hand, RadicalNews is a GUI nightmare. It seems like it >> imitates one of those poorly laid out PC newsreaders; cramming all >> the info into one window certainly isn't the best way to design a >> newsreader. > >This is a matter of preference and style of course... I know others who >don't like having to deal with more than one window.... I also know of >people using 21" monitors, who don't feel as cramped as some of us... > >TjL >---------------------------------------------------------------------- It may be a matter of preference, but a part of NeXT's gui paradigm is the efficient and elegant use of multiple windows in one app. As examples of my point I would cite Interface Builder, Workspace Manager and OmniWeb. Even with the space afforded by a 21" monitor I find the aforementioned paradigm to be ideal. As a matter of fact I find apps that don't take advantage of this paradigm end up wasting screen real estate. As an example I would cite GatorFTP which aside from its poor gui is a very useful app. -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: No Comments Re OS4.0? Date: 1 Jul 1996 18:08:14 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <4r946e$o3o@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <jbf-2406961802310001@news.tiac.net> <ANDERSON.96Jun25214620@sapir.ling.yale.edu> <DtLzw2.JwK@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> <4qrvrv$7ta@news1.channel1.com> <31D3CC34.41E6@mpr.ca> <DtpsA9.Ko@AWT.NL> <4r4lnl$cn5@ratty.wolfe.net> <31D7FB33.7DE1@zephyr.jhuapl.edu> In-Reply-To: <31D7FB33.7DE1@zephyr.jhuapl.edu> On 07/01/96, Charles F Waltrip wrote: > No! As Steve might say, "you just don't *get* it." It's > "THE APPAREL IS THE OBJECT" > > NeXT has made the next logical transition. First they moved from > hardware to software. Now they're moving from software to soft goods! > A masterstroke!!! > > As Steve has said (to paraphrase a bit), the problem with Microsoft is > that they lack TASTE. Well, all you have to do is just LOOK at Steve > and Bill side-by-side to know where Steve is coming from. > > And so the new NeXT marketing approach: win the backs of the > programmers and their hearts and designer pocketbooks will follow. > > Surely the new line of Mission Critical Soft Goods will be...bikini > underware (in black). > > Yes, this approach will WORK! Be gone! all ye naysayers. > Actually, it *has* worked! Readers in the UK will be well aware of NEXT the clothing company -- which by coincidence has a black square as its logo -- and which seems to be doing very well for itself. Some UK readers may not be aware that shortly after opening in London, NeXT Computer Inc received an order for 3000 cotton poplin shirts. A NeXT employee later ruefully remarked that he wished they'd taken the order, as it would have substantially increased their profits for the year. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: markm@winternet.com (Mark Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader Date: 1 Jul 1996 18:14:25 GMT Organization: Winternet Corporation, Mpls, MN Message-ID: <4r94i1$pl@blackice.winternet.com> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <jbf-3006961602460001@news.tiac.net> <4r7qd7$9a4@blackice.winternet.com> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960701104553.11433A-100000@charisma> In article <Pine.NXT.3.94.960701104553.11433A-100000@charisma>, Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > >While this might be quite interesting, telling me what is good on a MAC >does me little good. I am sorry to hear that the NeXTStep newsreaders >aren't as good as other OS's, but it isn't surprising I guess since >there's such a small market... Indeed, the small market software development is unfortunate and frustrating at times. My point was that I was offering an opinion of GUI newsreaders in comparision to others (including other OSs). The reason I included other OSs was to let potential developers know that there are "better" :) newsreaders already developed which are very well done and a similar version would be welcomed. I'd consider paying a modest amount for a well laid-out GUI newsreader. >This is a matter of preference and style of course... I know others who >don't like having to deal with more than one window.... I also know of >people using 21" monitors, who don't feel as cramped as some of us... While this is true, as an owner of a 21" monitor, I would rather use a GUI newsreader which implemented a structured layout similar to text newsreaders. First screen: newsgroup listing, second screen: threads/ topics, and third screen article. I could provide more details, but I'm getting off topic here. :) -- Mark Miller | "The things that pass for knowledge I just markm@winternet.com | can't understand." - Steely Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: gdkuch@barrow.uwaterloo.ca (Jerry Kuch) Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Sender: news@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (news spool owner) Message-ID: <Dtvs0x.A2w@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:10:08 GMT References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com>, J.B. Nicholson-Owens <jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> wrote: >[This has more to do with NS software than the NS marketplace, so I've > canceled the followup to csn.marketplace and posted it here instead.] > >On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:47:37 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu> wrote: > >Actually, there were also reports of people with far more than 32MB of RAM >saying that OmniWeb version 2 was still slow to do anything (including >loading bookmarks). If at all possible, I recommend skipping NS WWW clients >and using Netscape instead. It might represent corporate greed more than the >NS developers, but if you're primarily interested in a Netscape-compatible >web client that runs quickly in a reasonable amount of memory, you won't >find one on NS. For that matter, the new betas of MS Internet Explorer look to be pretty promising. MS has woken up to the web and seems to be pretty serious about putting out a top notch browser product... As for the performance of OmniWeb, the two things that come to my mind are as follows. First, what was wrong with caching images to disk in /tmp like the previous version did? Even on a fairly hefty machine caching them to memory can lead to paging that seems to be byte for cached bad more expensive than dumping things in /tmp and bringing them back as needed, under program control. Second, the time spent doing the conversion from SGML to RTF or to Bookmarks is especially long on black hardware. Although I can reasons why this implementational strategy may have been appealing and technically attractive, it usually doesn't seem all that snappy. -- Jerry Kuch EMail: gdkuch@mercator.math.uwaterloo.ca, NeXTMail welcome. IMPORTANT NEWS: Scripts for "Godzilla Vs. Desutoroia" had envisaged the monster's main target as the 1996 World City Expo in Tokyo but the idea fell through when Gov. Yukio Aoshima cancelled the event.
From: jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:27:16 GMT Organization: Organizing Organisms & Organs Message-ID: <slrn4tgjuu.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4r8j4i$gtm@bignews.shef.ac.uk> On 1 Jul 1996 13:17:06 GMT, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > As for comparison with NetScape: for this task I'd rather do something slowly > but well --as is the case with OmniWeb, rather than quickly and get something > hideous -- as is the case with NetScape. I don't know what is meant by ``get something hideous'' here, but I don't think a job done well needs to take as long as OW2 takes. OW v2.x takes a very long time to load all-text pages with many links (like http://www.omnigroup.com/MailArchive/OmniWeb-l/1995/) or a text page with lots of table info (like the pages at www.browserwatch.com). Even in cases where minimal tracking of link history is needed, OW2 takes quite a while to get the page to a fully browseable state. For pages like this (where the newest material is at the bottom), OW2's speed is far from what I consider acceptable. For me, browsing these kinds of pages is significantly slower in OW than Netscape and Lynx. For graphics and table pages, try playing bingo at www.bingozone.com; the HTML -> SGML -> RTF transformations in OW require so much time, I never see less than 2 balls in the upper left (new ball) area even though I select the link to download the new balls within 20 seconds (the delay between bingo ball pulls). I did a comparison of OW2 and Lynx on http://www.omnigroup.com/MailArchive/OmniWeb-l/1995/ and used the Preferences clock to see how long things took after the page was downloaded to get the page to a fully browseable state. I made sure incremental HTML display was off in OW2 to make individual processing states more easily visible[1]. I did not include download times in either chart because that is not strictly controlled by the application. Neither app's cache had data in it (aside from this page) since I started each app fresh. The Lynx app was not running when OW2 was running, nor was OW2 running when Lynx was tested. OmniWeb version 2.0.1 --------------------- (hrs:min:sec wall clock time via the Preferences.app) 4:28:50p download complete; HTML -> SGML translation starts. 4:29:47p HTML -> SGML translation complete; SGML -> RTF translation starts. 4:30:49p SGML -> RTF translation complete; nothing displayed in Process panel, yet no page displayed in web window. 4:30:58p page displays and I can browse. Total time spent processing the downloaded data: 2 minutes 8 seconds Lynx version 2-4-2 ------------------ (hrs:min:sec wall clock time via the Preferences.app) 4:33:25p finish download; yet no page displayed in window. 4:33:26p page displays and I can browse. Total time spent processing the downloaded data: 1 second [I'll test Netscape when I get some more time, right now I'm not near a machine where I can test it.] Note there are no graphics on the test page and you can repeat the test since I picked a page that shouldn't change between now and the time you read this (it's an old archive of the OmniWeb mailing list, new articles are added to another archive). I would hope that the OW2 time would be lower on a machine faster than the test machine (a 25MHz 24MB RAM mono cube running NS 3.2 with Foundation installed), and it will be interesting to see what machine processes this page in a time considered generally acceptable (I consider 2 minutes to process this page unacceptable). Also note that lynx took such a short time to process the article, the actual processing time might be under one second. [1] Although, the time that really counts is the time until the page is fully viewable, so you could try two timings, one with incremental display off and one with it on where you keep an eye on the Processes panel to learn when all processing for the page is complete. -- Due to local news server and feed problems, I might not see all followups.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607012308.TAA03406@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 19:07:57 -0400 Subject: HyperSense Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I am curious to check out HyperSense and would like to know more about it, including what packages I should download. One of them is supposedly free for a single user license... but I didn't see any readme file for them. I'd hate to FTP the wrong one at 14.4 :-) TjL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Watch this space for my Webpage (Soon!)
From: giddings@menominee.menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 1 Jul 1996 23:36:26 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <4r9ndq$11ra@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4r8j4i$gtm@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <slrn4tgjuu.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> Cc: jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com In <slrn4tgjuu.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > I did a comparison of OW2 and Lynx on > http://www.omnigroup.com/MailArchive/OmniWeb-l/1995/ Strange . . I repeated this test on a P90 over a 28.8. The display was incremental, i.e. the display occurred as fast as the data came over line. All in all it took about 45 seconds to download and display, over a 28.8 modem. There was about a 1-2 second delay at the end of download. Anyone care to repeat this on an intel box with a faster connection? MG -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Giddings \ For Work: Graduate Studies, Scientific Comp. UW Madison Dept. of Chemistry \ DNA sequencing Technologies Madison, Wisconsin \ DNA Fragment analysis (608) 692-2851 \ giddings@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu or\ For Fun: Whitewater Kayaking UW Hoofers Water Safety Board Chair \ And anything else that gets me outdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607020038.UAA05150@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <9607020013.AA18207@venetia.pgh.pa.us> From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 20:38:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: <9607020013.AA18207@venetia.pgh.pa.us> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com "Robert B. Peirce" on Mon, 1 Jul 96 wrote: > In article <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com>, you wrote: > > Anyone care to comment on this? I've been using it and it seems > > quite good. Only problem I had is that it didn't seem to save my > > .newsrc without me manually telling it to do to before quitting. > > It has always saved mine. I wish I could say more. > > BTW, the recent version (0.82) seems to run much faster than the > previous. I've gotten the newest version (I had .80 or .81) and it works much better. Thanks to all who responded. The newest version works quite well. TjL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Watch this space for my Webpage (Soon!)
From: wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenStep is finally here Date: 2 Jul 1996 03:22:39 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/ Since I did not see any postings on this yet, here goes: It seems, finally, the OpenStep has arrived: Check out NeXT's and Optimal-Object's Web Pages. http://www.next.com/ http://www.optimal-object.com/ They both now have new information on OpenStep and links to how to (pre)order it. One thing I never realized before is that OpenStep 4.0 for Mach is binary compatible with NEXTSTEP 3.3. That is really good because I can continue to use all my 3.3 applications even if they are not upgraded. -- Wassim M. Jabi Doctoral Program in Architecture University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Blvd Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069 wjabi@umich.edu (Text/MIME/NeXTMail) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/
From: pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: I've got LaTeX2HTMLworking. Date: 2 Jul 1996 03:41:59 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <slrn4th664.2kd.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> I've got LaTeX2HTML working now. I downloaded perl5.002 from next-ftp.peak.org and netpbm from peanuts AND I happened to have compiled ghosctscript a while ago. So I installed latex2html, and it works OK. It required several modifications, however. The most notable one is that the way it attempts to calculate the sizes of GIFs just doesn't work... so I changed it with a little patch that requires the commandline tool "image" that comes with image viewer. So, if anyone has all of this stuff lying around and wants to give it a shot, email me and I'll send the patch. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Paul Brown Grad student, UCB mathematics (510)-843-7817 pbrown@math.berkeley.edu http://math.berkeley.edu/~pbrown/ NeXTmail preferred. _____________________________________________________________________
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:21:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4r9j0e$c6p@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) wrote: > [This has more to do with NS software than the NS marketplace, > so I've canceled the followup to csn.marketplace and posted it > here instead.] > > Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu> wrote: > > Note that there have been reports of problems using OmniWeb > > 2.x with less than 24/32 RAM (if I remember correctly) eating > > swapspace > > Actually, there were also reports of people with far more than > 32MB of RAM saying that OmniWeb version 2 was still slow to do > anything (including loading bookmarks). I run OmniWeb on a 32-meg NS/Intel machine (a 60-MHz pentium). It runs just fine. I definitely prefer it over Netscape on my 20-meg Mac IIci, and I'd say I also prefer it over Netscape 2.x on a 16-meg Quadra 800. There are things that Netscape supports and OmniWeb does not, but I don't happen to run into those often. (I do realize other people might run into them more than I do). The problem with huge swapfiles have often been due to versions of helper applications that OmniWeb might be using (such as the much older version of OmniImageFilter.service, I *think* it was). It might be that I don't keep OmniWeb running all the time. I start it up, hit a few web pages (well, maybe spending an hour or two hitting web pages), and then I close it down. I do not leave it running for days at a time, even though I do have my NS/Intel machine up, running, and logged into for weeks at a time. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Animation in OmniWeb Date: 01 Jul 1996 19:06:59 -0600 Organization: Computing Research Lab/New Mexico State University Sender: zhao@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu Message-ID: <yegpw6fxy30.fsf@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> References: <199606270353.DAA02112@next.fiton.is> <Dtt5FB.5HD@interpc.de> In-reply-to: jens@ipc.de's message of Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:06:46 GMT I remebered that one of beta version of OmniWeb2.0 did play my animation test of 20 frames of gifs in loop. OmniWeb2.01 doesn't do that any more. Maybe I haven't found the key to turn it on/off. zhao
From: gclem@dannug.dk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Samba Date: 1 Jul 1996 12:10:52 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r8f8c$6bp@snaps.dannug.dk> Anyone who could direct/point me to a good place to pick up Samba for NS? Thx. Geert
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot... Date: 2 Jul 1996 03:09:33 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Wilkie) wrote: > In <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> Evan Baer wrote: > > Steve, I used to belive :( > > Oh oh, do you really think that His Highness Who Felt Inclined > to Have Visions So That He Could Then Drop Them at a Whim *really* > bothers to read, or have someone at his company read, what > advocates of his now discarded ideas think? Well, to some degree, I believe he does care. Or else there are some people at NeXT who champion causes based on what's said in these newsgroups, even if not much is said by them here. > All the marketing pinheads at N. S. Inc. needed to do would have > been to put *one bloody line* on their nice and colourful website > saying something about the status and the availability of a > product they want to sell (yeah, they actually want us to pay > money for it, and still play hide-and seek for good measure???). This situation, of course, is very _______. I can't decide which word fits best there: annoying discouraging frustrating irritating stupid > Having a state of the art product like Openstep 4.0/Mach on your > hands (yes, IMHO even NS 3.3 is in the same league as NT and the > like) and _not selling it_ is _purest idiocy_. Indeed. The insanely great company has gone insane. Either that, or they are convinced they can not sell their product thru usenet announcements or their web pages, and now just call up their few big customers to sell the product. Maybe some would argue that I'm being mighty impatient, and that it may only be another week or two before NeXT figures out their marketting. I hope that's true, but I do feel that in the interim they could at least chat up the fact that the product exists, even if it's just some informal articles saying what goodies are coming in NeXTSTEP 4.0. Give people something interesting to talk about, which is bound to be more helpful then everyone sitting around wondering why NeXT is so quiet. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 2 Jul 1996 03:49:02 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4ra67e$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4r8j4i$gtm@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <slrn4tgjuu.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) wrote: > I did a comparison of OW2 and Lynx on > http://www.omnigroup.com/MailArchive/OmniWeb-l/1995/ > and used the Preferences clock to see how long things took after > the page was downloaded to get the page to a fully browseable > state. I made sure incremental HTML display was off in OW2 to > make individual processing states more easily visible[1]. > > OmniWeb version 2.0.1 > --------------------- > (hrs:min:sec wall clock time via the Preferences.app) > 4:28:50p download complete; HTML -> SGML translation starts. > 4:29:47p HTML -> SGML translation complete; SGML -> RTF > translation starts. > 4:30:49p SGML -> RTF translation complete; nothing displayed > in Process panel, yet no page displayed in web window. > 4:30:58p page displays and I can browse. > > Total time spent processing the downloaded data: 2 minutes 8 seconds On my 60MHz pentium system running NS/Intel-3.3p1, and with the Preferences.app *not* running, I tried this very test. I'm running OmniWeb 2.0.1, and I *do* have "incremental display" turned on. I first displayed the page, and then hit the "reload" menu option. I did it this way because I wasn't going to clear out the cache, wherever the cache might be. I timed it with my stopwatch (on my wristwatch). Taking it from the time I hit "reload", I got a times of: 15 seconds until the first pages-worth was displayed. 58 seconds (total) until the entire page was loaded, converted, and just sitting there with nothing else to do. Note that in my case, the times *do* include the time to download the file. Now, this doesn't compare favorably to lynx showing it in one second, but I think I'd rather be surfing the web with a GUI interface than lynx. One thing I noticed is that the CPU was pretty much pegged at 100% for the entire minute of that download & display. Thus, it might be that I'm seeing the CPU advantage of the Pentium over an older 25MHz NeXTstation (assuming that's what you are using). Given the CPU load, it'd be interesting to see how fast it would be for it to come up on whatever the current hot-chip is in the Intel line. For comparison purposes, I also tried it using Netscape 2.02 on my 20meg Mac IIci (a 25MHz 68030, if I remember right). That took 39 seconds before everything was done. Not surprisingly, it also is considerably slower than the time you got when using lynx. Figure that a 25MHz 68040 should be twice as fast as 25MHz 68040 (again, if I remember right), and call that 20 seconds. 20 seconds to 59 seconds ain't great, but it's nowhere near as bad as your results of 1 second to 128 seconds. In my case (on that Mac IIci), it is 39 seconds to 58 seconds, and all things considered I'll stick with OmniWeb. Of course, I bet I'd get even better results if I ran Netscape on a PowerMac, but then to be fair I'd have to test OmniWeb on the current crop of Intel chips. Other reasonable people on other hardware could come to other conclusions, of course. I just wanted to see if it was as lopsided as your testing suggested. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Puzzled about OpenStep Date: 2 Jul 1996 12:42:40 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <4rb5g0$qc@netty.york.ac.uk> O.K. - so I took a look at the OpenStep pages. It says that OpenStep is currently available for Mach and Windows NT. So far so good - BUT, it says that the developer stuff for Windows NT won't be available until later. Given that we need to recompile stuff to make it run under Windows NT then what use is the OpenStep for Windows without the compiler ? Surely it's totally useless or have I missed the point. Supposing I get a copy, what can I do other than install it and then stare at thhe screen wishing I had a compiler ? hmmm.... -bat.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 2 Jul 1996 04:17:14 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4ra7sa$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) wrote: > Since I did not see any postings on this yet, here goes: > > It seems, finally, the OpenStep has arrived: > Check out NeXT's and Optimal-Object's Web Pages. > http://www.next.com/ > http://www.optimal-object.com/ > They both now have new information on OpenStep and links to how > to (pre)order it. > > One thing I never realized before is that OpenStep 4.0 for Mach > is binary compatible with NEXTSTEP 3.3. That is really good > because I can continue to use all my 3.3 applications even if > they are not upgraded. If NeXT lives up to it's past practices, it should be true that almost all NS-3.x applications will continue to run under NS-4.0. I doubt it has to have been compiled on NeXTSTEP 3.3 (but I could be wrong). However, it is less likely that the older NS-2.x applications will continue to work. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 2 Jul 1996 15:13:36 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <4rbeb0$mlb@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <Dtvs0x.A2w@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> gdkuch@barrow.uwaterloo.ca (Jerry Kuch) wrote: > As for the performance of OmniWeb, the two things that come to > my mind are as follows. First, what was wrong with caching images > to disk in /tmp like the previous version did? Even on a fairly > hefty machine caching them to memory can lead to paging that > seems to be byte for cached bad more expensive than dumping things > in /tmp and bringing them back as needed, under program control. Not to mention that if you should happen to crash (or hang, say because of excessive swapping....) and the huge image you just downloaded is in /tmp, you can go dig it out by hand. If it's cached in memory, it goes where your lap goes when you stand up. Anybody at Omni Development listening? You have a great product, but this was definitely a regression. > Second, the time spent doing the conversion from SGML to RTF or > to Bookmarks is especially long on black hardware. Although I > can reasons why this implementational strategy may have been > appealing and technically attractive, it usually doesn't seem > all that snappy. If it enables them to keep up with new Netscapisms more quickly, this is a price I'm willing to pay. We'll see how it turns out. ``I rejoice that there are owls. +------------------------------------+ Let them do the idiotic and maniacal | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 | hooting for men.'' | jburton@nwu.edu | -- Henry David Thoreau +------------------------------------+
From: aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Puzzled about OpenStep Date: 2 Jul 1996 15:12:59 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rbe9r$4h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <4rb5g0$qc@netty.york.ac.uk> pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) wrote: > O.K. - so I took a look at the OpenStep pages. It says that OpenStep > is currently available for Mach and Windows NT. So far so good - BUT, it > says that the developer stuff for Windows NT won't be available until > later. > Given that we need to recompile stuff to make it run under Windows NT then > what use is the OpenStep for Windows without the compiler ? Surely it's > totally useless or have I missed the point. Supposing I get a copy, what > can I do other than install it and then stare at thhe screen wishing I had > a compiler ? NeXT's Web site is offering a sneak preview (beta version) of the OPENSTEP/NT development tools which would be necessary to build an OPENSTEP/NT app. I understand that Microsoft Visual C++ must be installed as well because the NEXTSTEP linker (ld) hasn't been ported yet. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@cubicsol.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot... Date: 2 Jul 1996 15:39:31 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rbfrj$4h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > Either that, > or they [NeXT] are convinced they can not sell their product [OPENSTEP] thru usenet > announcements or their web pages, and now just call up their few > big customers to sell the product. NeXT sales started putting together an OPENSTEP upgrade package for our small company (~10 employees) a couple of months ago, so maybe NeXT's direct sales force is the primary OPENSTEP sales channel. NeXT has been quietly reopening sales offices around the US after closing most of them when hardware sales were ceased. My sense is that OPENSTEP 4.0's primary new feature is its OpenStep compatibility, something that users won't notice until OpenStep apps appear. This may explain NeXT's lack of hype for OPENSTEP User. If so, I view this as a blast of refreshing honesty in an industry where overhype rules. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@cubicsol.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Dtx8Iv.6D@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:04:07 GMT References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > >Maybe some would argue that I'm being mighty impatient, and that >it may only be another week or two before NeXT figures out their >marketting. I hope that's true, but I do feel that in the interim >they could at least chat up the fact that the product exists, even >if it's just some informal articles saying what goodies are coming >in NeXTSTEP 4.0. Give people something interesting to talk about, >which is bound to be more helpful then everyone sitting around >wondering why NeXT is so quiet. > Well, from http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html: - A proven user environment under UNIX (including your favorite NEXTSTEP applications), binary compatibility with NEXTSTEP Release 3.3 so you can continue to use applications that aren't "OPENSTEPified", and new support for Samba, PPP, Perl5, and Taylor UUCP - A proven and powerful development environment for building applications under UNIX that can be deployed on Windows NT and Solaris - Access to new versions of EOF, PDO, and D'OLE - Enhancements for developers, including improved memory management, improved support for distributed objects, easier localization, a simplified API, enhancements to Project Builder and Interface Builder, and more. Hmmmm. Hardly a lot. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Stefan Leuker <sl@skynet.oph.rwth-aachen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Puzzled about OpenStep Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 15:50:51 +0200 Organization: RWTH Aachen Message-ID: <31D9293B.7B8D6549@skynet.oph.rwth-aachen.de> References: <4rb5g0$qc@netty.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -bat. wrote: > > Given that we need to recompile stuff to make it run under Windows NT then > what use is the OpenStep for Windows without the compiler ? Surely it's > totally useless or have I missed the point. Supposing I get a copy, what > can I do other than install it and then stare at thhe screen wishing I had > a compiler ? > You can build your GUI and compile for NT on MachOS, given that you have the extendet OS/NT release of the dev tools. That's what I heard. Stefan
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Samba Date: 2 Jul 1996 16:13:55 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <4rbhs3$dlf@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <4r8f8c$6bp@snaps.dannug.dk> gclem@dannug.dk writes: >Anyone who could direct/point me to a good place to pick up Samba for NS? >Thx. Geert Samba page is in http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/samba.html have fun with it! --kai-- -- email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Disharmony between NS3.3 & OPNS/Mach development (was Re: OpenStep is finally here) Date: 2 Jul 1996 16:49:17 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4rbjud$keo@news3.digex.net> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4ra7sa$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > If NeXT lives up to it's past practices, it should be true that almost all NS-3.x applications will continue to run under NS-4.0. I doubt it has to have been compiled on NeXTSTEP 3.3 (but I could be wrong). That is the ONE big annoying thing about OPENSTEP 4, for Mach. As far as I understand it, one cannot simply download Alexandra 0.82 source from the net, and compile it as a NS3.3 binary on an OPENSTEP4/Mach machine... There is no compatibility switch...unless you consider a dual boot machine that... This is a big annoyance...some projects are not worth converting, while others are, it would be nice to be able to use both when either or makes more sense... I'm guessing there is probably some clever way, one could install all the dev tools, and libraries, and headers, etc...from NS3.3 dev, onto OPNS4/Mach (eg I have already copied IB and ProjectBuilder apps from the 3.2 release and simply renamed their wrappers and binaries to IB_3.2.app...because they were the last versions that properly converted pre 3.0 IB.proj files...). I imagine it would be a hell of chore to do once, but perhaps some kind of copy script could be whipped up to allow this...making alternate locations for the 3.x headers, etc...??? Has anyone contemplated this??? -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: It's time to get optimistic (: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot... :) Date: 2 Jul 1996 17:01:31 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4rbklb$keo@news3.digex.net> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <4rbfrj$4h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Hi Art :) aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > My sense is that OPENSTEP 4.0's primary new feature is its OpenStep compatibility, something that users won't notice until OpenStep apps appear. This may explain NeXT's lack of hype for OPENSTEP User. If so, I view this as a blast of refreshing honesty in an industry where overhype rules. I maybe burying my head in the sand...but I like the way you're looking at this Art...and I think I'll adopt it as well. Really, if all we got is just some touch ups...why hype...why set yourself up for, "it's all hype no substance" abuse... I'm mean, obviously NeXT has got to go hot and heavy at OPNS/NT, and they are a little behind, so they just didn't have the time and resources to throw in all the goodies on OPNS/Mach that we wanted... The 4.4 upgrade, UI stuff etc etc... Maybe after they are done with the NT version, a OPNS/Mach 4.1 will come out with some of those enhancements (remember, I'm drinking some optimistic koolaid here :) Not to mention, I'm hoping to see some wonderful things by the GNU/Linux folks...Not to mention, the NEO products are real and coming... There are some really nice opportunities coming for the first time in a long time. Maybe it's better than we thing... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot... Date: 2 Jul 1996 17:32:17 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <4rbmf1$n8u@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> Cc: wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at In <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> Alexander Wilkie wrote: > Having a state of the art product like Openstep 4.0/Mach on your hands (yes, > IMHO even NS 3.3 is in the same league as NT and the like) and _not selling > it_ is _purest idiocy_. Methinks there is a word for this: It is called 'marketing'. -- Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] -- Home Page http://hades.tue.schwaben.de/~frank NeXTSTEP, Linux & PostScript Guy "NO SIR, I WILL NOT CALL IT OPENSTEP!"
From: sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 2 Jul 1996 11:10:03 -0700 Organization: BEST Internet Communications Message-ID: <sams.836329346@shellx> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4ra7sa$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: >However, it is less likely that the older NS-2.x applications >will continue to work. I suspect you are incorrect. In the past, NeXT provided backwards compatibility by taking care that the shared libraries (shlibs) were compatible. Things only broke when NeXT pruned out undocumented functions or got rid of ugly undocumented side effects that people had reverse engineered and relied upon. Usually, these features were replaced with a formal, clean way of accomplishing the same thing. For 4.0, the shlibs will be grossly different. In order to ensure backwards compatibility, NeXT will ship 2 sets of shlibs, one for Openstep and one for 3.3 apps. The 3.3 shlib is probably very little modified from the one you are running now, and I would expect near 100% compatibility. If an app runs on 3.3, I would have very high cofidence that it will run under 4.0. The down side of this is that shlibs are large and with many applications accessing them, they tend to stay hot (ie paged in in the virtual memory system) If you run both 4.0 compiled apps (ie those from next like workspace) and 3.3 apps (ie every non-next app you currently run) you will keep a lot of shlib vm hot with the duplicated functionality. This is why you can expect practical ram requirements to go way up. Note: I could be wrong about all this. I haven't seen the released 4.0 software. Actually this is pure speculation. But I'd be surprised if I'm way wrong. 8^) cheers, -sam
From: peter@mathworks.com (Peter Greis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How much.... Date: 2 Jul 1996 18:31:50 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <4rbpum$aa0@turing.mathworks.com> So is the 4.0 upgrade user, dev, what? and how much is it? I suspect that the small developers are going to get screwed again... -p
From: Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Are there any changes to the OS4/Mach UI? Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:32:34 -0700 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960702112350.5276A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From what I've heard, it seems that there aren't any big changes in OpenStep 4.0, but what about UI tweaks? Anybody who has the product care to comment? Also: Did the alternative UI that was being developed ship as an example (and is it only in the Dev package, or can we "mere end users" check it out too?) And if so, is it stable enough to be usable? -Dayne Miller dayne@wolfenet.com "If you can keep your head while all those around you are losing theirs, then perhaps you have misunderstood the situation." _The Long Run_ by D. Moran
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WebObjects and Academia ? Date: 2 Jul 1996 19:53:46 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Message-ID: <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <4q010i$mc@news.next.com> <Pine.HPP.3.91.960618155516.15451C-100000@hphalle0h.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <4q6gl5$f3r@bignews.shef.ac.uk> >> > WebObjects is free for academic users. In article <4q6gl5$f3r@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: >I just unpacked my copy and it comes with EOUser and EODeveloper... >And EOF1.1J I have NS/Intel 3.2 (Academic) and have painfully been living without OmniWeb 2.x since it requires either NS 3.3 or EOF. Could I get WebObjects Pro or WebObjects Enterprise (free) and use the EOF to run OmniWeb 2.x? I didn't upgrade to 3.3 when it came out since 4.0 was due out so soon and I can't afford to upgrade every 6-months to a year (even for only $300). But not it looks like 4.0 doesn't have much different worth upgrading for either, at least at the moment since there aren't many OpenStep compatible apps yet. Any recommendations for what a 3.2 academic user should do? -Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Pfleger kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu http://www.stanford.edu/~kpfleger/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Crossposting to .software since we're talking about OmniWeb too.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: jens@ipc.de (Jens Ch. Gloede) Subject: Re: Animation in OmniWeb Message-ID: <DtxKz2.IB2@interpc.de> Sender: usenet@interpc.de Organization: interpersonal-computing GmbH References: <31D7EDFF.6B7@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:33:02 GMT Geert Jan van Oldenborgh <gj@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> writes > > Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarni@fiton.is> writes > > > Has any one managed to get animation in OmniWeb, > > > like animated GlF89? > > If they ever implement this, I hope they at least have the ability to > turn it off... Here, we use our workstations for calculations as well > as browsing, and it is a bit irritating to see your big Monte Carlo run > at half speed because someone went for lunch with netscape pointed at a > site with cute animated icons. Start over again, an animated gif is played back from cache and won't do any harm to your server or other machines. so long, jens
From: c671143@showme.missouri.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Questions about 3.x Date: 2 Jul 1996 21:23:04 GMT Organization: Internet 1st, Inc Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rc3vp$pb0@news1.i1.net> I'm new to NS for intel. My college is on the of phasing out all of our slabs and going to SGI Indy's. I want to be able to run two OS's on my Pentium. Don't worry, everything is SCSI. What I want to know is specs of the OS. Like How is it for Net access? Can I port older NS apps to work with Intel? I have so many questions about the OS, not OpenStep, or WebObjects or whatever. I go to www.next.com and all I get is info. on everything but the operating system. I'm not even sure if NS is what I'm looking for. Basically what I want to do is write C apps, Internet access, have UNIX at my fingertips, and a stable OS. Thanks, any information, or directions to a source are greatly appreciated. Michael Roberts c671143@showme.missouri.edu
From: kc@criamon (Ken Case) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 2 Jul 1996 22:04:29 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <4rc6dd$9b5@gaea.titan.org> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <Dtvs0x.A2w@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Jerry Kuch (gdkuch@barrow.uwaterloo.ca) wrote: : As for the performance of OmniWeb, the two things that come to my mind are : as follows. First, what was wrong with caching images to disk in /tmp like : the previous version did? In OmniWeb 1.0, the images were cached in memory as well. They just also happened to be LEAKED to /tmp during the translation process (we had to write them to a file to get OmniImageFilter to translate them into images). They were also leaked several times, permanently, in memory, as was everything you ever visited. Perhaps you don't remember, but OmniWeb 1.0 had no expiring cache: everything was in memory forever. (You could free up some disk space when your disk filled up by removing some of those leaked images from /tmp, but I hardly think of that as an ideal solution.) OmniWeb 2.0 has much better long-term memory management, but its initial footprint is higher due to the object representations used (as opposed to 1.0's byte-stream data structures). : Second, the time spent doing the conversion from SGML to RTF or : to Bookmarks is especially long on black hardware. Although I can reasons : why this implementational strategy may have been appealing and technically : attractive, it usually doesn't seem all that snappy. While I still use black hardware at home, it wasn't our target platform for OmniWeb 2.0, any more than 386 machines (black hardware's contemporary) are the target platform for Netscape 2.0. We are working on making OmniWeb faster, but that wasn't our priority for the initial release of 2.0: our priority was to build a flexible architecture which would work with as much web content as possible. Turning HTML into a stream of objects certainly isn't the most efficient way to process it, but it greatly simplified the development process making it much easier to write Bookmarks (again), support Frames, and add the Search panel. Now that our goals for the initial release have been met (adding features), we're making things more efficient again. (And, of course, porting to OpenStep.) -- Ken Case Omni Development, Inc. kc@omnigroup.com
From: jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Opinions on the latest QuickBase? Date: 2 Jul 1996 22:20:41 GMT Organization: Organizing Organisms & Organs Message-ID: <slrn4tj85p.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> Summary: QuickBase's overly simple installer prevents me from reviewing it. Keywords: QuickBase review install I'm reviewing RDBMSes and QuickBase was suggested to me. I'd like to read people's opinions of QuickBase (4.1h is the version I have). Descriptions of projects with which you use QuickBase and how well QuickBase does or doesn't meet your needs would be helpful, but other QuickBase comments are certainly welcome. Normally, I'd review the software myself by installing a demo and trying some things out, but the non-standard install software doesn't look like it will tell me what it's doing (or give me a chance to inspect it beforehand). The install app offers an overly simple UI: only a percent gauge and an ``Install'' button. I don't understand what's so special about QuickBase that this install program is necessary (the standard Install.app seems quite capable of installing every other NS app), but until I learn what this will do to the system, I can't justify installing it. -- Due to local news server and feed problems, I might not see all followups.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Disharmony between NS3.3 & OPNS/Mach development (was Re: OpenStep is finally here) Date: 2 Jul 1996 20:21:17 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4rc0bt$ctc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4ra7sa$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <4rbjud$keo@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > > If NeXT lives up to it's past practices, it should be true that > > almost all NS-3.x applications will continue to run under > > NS-4.0. I doubt it has to have been compiled on NeXTSTEP 3.3 > > (but I could be wrong). > > That is the ONE big annoying thing about OPENSTEP 4, for Mach. > As far as I understand it, one cannot simply download Alexandra > 0.82 source from the net, and compile it as a NS3.3 binary on an > OPENSTEP4/Mach machine... I think that's been true of other major-version switches, such as NS-2.x to NS-3.x. There's a more significant amount of work for NS-3.x to NS-4.x, but the expectation is that the work will be worth it (at least for those apps which would make sense in an OpenStep/WinNT or OpenStep/Solaris environment). > There is no compatibility switch...unless you consider a dual > boot machine that... This is a big annoyance...some projects > are not worth converting, while others are, it would be nice to > be able to use both when either or makes more sense... I must admit that when I think of NS-4.0, I keep thinking I should buy yet another machine to run it on... :-) (as if four nextstep machines aren't enough for one person...) > I'm guessing there is probably some clever way, one could install > all the dev tools, and libraries, and headers, etc...from NS3.3 > dev, onto OPNS4/Mach (eg I have already copied IB and ProjectBuilder > apps from the 3.2 release and simply renamed their wrappers and > binaries to IB_3.2.app...because they were the last versions that > properly converted pre 3.0 IB.proj files...). I imagine it would > be a hell of chore to do once, but perhaps some kind of copy > script could be whipped up to allow this...making alternate > locations for the 3.x headers, etc...??? I imagine this is more work than it's worth (even though I agree it'd be nice). On NeXT hardware it isn't all that hard to have a dual-boot arrangement for those apps you need to recompile and you don't want to convert to NS-4.0. Presumably you don't need to recompile such things very often. (although your example of Alexandra is something that one might still be making changes to on a regular basis) --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 2 Jul 1996 20:34:35 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4rc14r$ctc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <Dtx8Iv.6D@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > Well, from > http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html: > > - A proven user environment under UNIX (including your favorite > NEXTSTEP applications), binary compatibility with NEXTSTEP > Release 3.3 so you can continue to use applications that aren't > "OPENSTEPified", and new support for Samba, PPP, Perl5, and > Taylor UUCP My guess is that there's more added in this catagory (of changes to NS-User). Not a lot more, but some more. I believe that NS-4.0 will support multi-session CD's, for instance, although I could be wrong on that. > - A proven and powerful development environment for building > applications under UNIX that can be deployed on Windows NT > and Solaris > > - Access to new versions of EOF, PDO, and D'OLE > > - Enhancements for developers, including improved memory > management, improved support for distributed objects, easier > localization, a simplified API, enhancements to Project Builder > and Interface Builder, and more. Clearly they're positioning the Mach product as a good platform for doing general OpenStep development (as opposed to one that you'd buy for it's own sake). That's probably where the sales are for them. In any case, I do feel better that they're at least saying *something* about OpenStep 4.0 (including the MachOS product) on their web site now. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: royalta@aol.com (RoyalTA) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Mouse. Date: 2 Jul 1996 20:04:18 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rcde2$drp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31D77008.7DFE@students.wisc.edu> No a non-ADB NeXT mouse cannot be used with PC's. But I would be willing to trade a new PC mouse for your NeXT mouse. Tony Royal Jenike & Johanson, Inc.
From: Ian_Stewart@nyro.com (Ian H. Stewart) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEED win 95 client nfs to NXSTP nfs server Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:40:18 GMT Organization: EIT/VeriFone Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r9k4i$jef@bonestorm.eit.com> I am having a hard time getting a Windows 95 NFS product to act as a client to a NEXTSTEP 3.3 system acting as an NFS server. I get read errors on the NEXTSTEP side and blank directories on the Win95 side. What am I doing wrong or what do I need? I am using pcnfsd 2.0 and auth is working fine. Thanks Ian H. Stewart --- NYRO Technix, Inc. 236 W. Portal Ave Suite 341 San Francisco CA 94127 415 664-1170 voice 415 664-5530 fax NYRO Technix, Inc. is proud to announce, NYRO-SPACE(tm), "The Auto-Scrolling Virtual Window Manager!"(tm) for Windows 95. Download your FREE trial version today. http://www.nyro.com/NYRO/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: It's time to get optimistic (: Date: 2 Jul 1996 23:04:44 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4rc9uc$ih9@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <4rbfrj$4h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4rbklb$keo@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > > My sense is that OPENSTEP 4.0's primary new feature is > > its OpenStep compatibility, something that users won't notice > > until OpenStep apps appear. This may explain NeXT's lack of > > hype for OPENSTEP User. If so, I view this as a blast of > > refreshing honesty in an industry where overhype rules. There's some merit to that argument. Certainly I'd rather see NeXT deliver on what it's claiming, instead of hyping things to death and then afterwards saying "Oh, well, we were only kidding about those major improvements". (anyone want to tell me once again how Windows95 is 32-bit clean, and completely gets rid of DOS?) On the other hand, there is such a thing as being *too* laid back... > > NeXT sales started putting together an OPENSTEP upgrade package > > for our small company (~10 employees) a couple of months ago, > > so maybe NeXT's direct sales force is the primary OPENSTEP > > sales channel. NeXT has been quietly reopening sales offices > > around the US after closing most of them when hardware sales > > were ceased. Certainly this is encouraging. Given that they are not pushing the "hype", these sales offices must indicate some actual sales of the various NeXT products. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 2 Jul 1996 17:41:44 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <4rbn0p$4a4@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <31D7EF6D.4964@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> Geert Jan van Oldenborgh <gj@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> wrote: >Well, on a 25 MHz 'station with 20MB OmniWeb is slow but usable. I'm quite satisfied with OmniWeb on my 20MB 25MHz mono slab. The only thing bothering me is the time the CPU needs for building up large pages. Example: the stage results of the "Tour de France" on the official site http://www2.letour.fr/tour/us/ecranaccueil_1.html. But this will be faster while the tour goes on and the drivers will be fewer ;-) >Its memory requirements are fun. Often a 'ps' (or 'top') reveals >it has claimed immense amounts of memory (100-200 MB!!), when in >fact the size of the swapfile and the intensity of swapping indicate >that only 20 or so are in active use. Nice example after 15 minutes of surfing: nexus1> ls -l /clients/vm total 50072 -rw------t 1 root 17924096 Jul 2 19:33 swapfile -rw------t 1 root 33325056 Jul 2 19:33 swapfile.front nexus1> ps -aux|grep Omni michael 278 1.0 1.0 1.60M 208K p2 S 0:00 grep Omni michael 229 0.0 32.1 319M 6.42M ? S 4:45 /LocalApps/OmniWeb.app/ OmniWeb Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: wln@tla.org (W Lee Nussbaum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 3 Jul 1996 01:38:17 GMT Organization: Lehman Brothers Message-ID: <4rciu9$hu2@webprod2.lehman.com> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4r8j4i$gtm@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <slrn4tgjuu.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4r9ndq$11ra@news.doit.wisc.edu> Cc: giddings@menominee.menominee.chem.wisc.edu In <4r9ndq$11ra@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Michael Giddings wrote: > In <slrn4tgjuu.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> J.B. Nicholson-Owens > wrote: > > I did a comparison of OW2 and Lynx on > > http://www.omnigroup.com/MailArchive/OmniWeb-l/1995/ > > Strange . . > I repeated this test on a P90 over a 28.8. The display was incremental, i.e. > the display occurred as fast as the data came over line. All in all it took > about 45 seconds to download and display, over a 28.8 modem. There was about > a 1-2 second delay at the end of download. > > Anyone care to repeat this on an intel box with a faster connection? Over 64K ISDN & then thru a 256K pipe to PSI, display this evening was incremental (the transfer took about 45 seconds) and completed shortly after the transfer was finished (the last 15% delayed by about eight to ten seconds, for a total of just under a minute). This morning was much slower, but the local rendering also kept pace with the traffic. I encounter significant delays that seem to be caused by OmniWeb (rather than traffic issues) about once a day, not really often enough to be a problem... a touch more annoying is its occasional propensity to deadlock when I'm attempting many actions (about once or twice a week, usually when doing something silly like launching two windows, loading in two others, idle in four others, and dragging bookmarks), though I haven't been able to reproduce it... - Lee
From: Stefan Leuker <sl@skynet.oph.rwth-aachen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WebObjects and Academia ? Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 05:20:11 +0200 Organization: RWTH Aachen Message-ID: <31D9E6EB.7CEE307E@skynet.oph.rwth-aachen.de> References: <4q010i$mc@news.next.com> <Pine.HPP.3.91.960618155516.15451C-100000@hphalle0h.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <4q6gl5$f3r@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karl Pfleger wrote: > > not it looks like 4.0 doesn't have much different worth upgrading for either, > at least at the moment since there aren't many OpenStep compatible apps yet. > There will be :-) > Any recommendations for what a 3.2 academic user should do? > Well, upgrade. Then you are up to date again, and you might migrate to win/NT :-] Bye Stefan
From: robert@elastica.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 02 Jul 1996 23:06:17 -0400 Organization: Digital Gateway Systems Sender: robert@justine Message-ID: <fbuhyxcgm.fsf@elastica.com> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) writes: > > Since I did not see any postings on this yet, here goes: > > It seems, finally, the OpenStep has arrived: > Check out NeXT's and Optimal-Object's Web Pages. > http://www.next.com/ > http://www.optimal-object.com/ > They both now have new information on OpenStep and links to how to > (pre)order it. > > One thing I never realized before is that OpenStep 4.0 for Mach is > binary compatible with NEXTSTEP 3.3. That is really good because I can > continue to use all my 3.3 applications even if they are not upgraded. Well that's good because most of the ISV's aren't around to recompile anyway.
From: don@misckit.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Disharmony between NS3.3 & OPNS/Mach development (was Re: OpenStep is finally here) Date: 3 Jul 1996 08:34:06 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <4rdb9u$fs4@news.xmission.com> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4ra7sa$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <4rbjud$keo@news3.digex.net> <4rc0bt$ctc@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > That is the ONE big annoying thing about OPENSTEP 4, for Mach. > > As far as I understand it, one cannot simply download Alexandra > > 0.82 source from the net, and compile it as a NS3.3 binary on an > > OPENSTEP4/Mach machine... > > I think that's been true of other major-version switches, such > as NS-2.x to NS-3.x. There's a more significant amount of work > for NS-3.x to NS-4.x, but the expectation is that the work will > be worth it (at least for those apps which would make sense in > an OpenStep/WinNT or OpenStep/Solaris environment). Yeah, I'd say that's a reasonable approach. > > There is no compatibility switch...unless you consider a dual > > boot machine [...] > > I'm guessing there is probably some clever way, one could install > > all the dev tools, and libraries, and headers, etc...from NS3.3 > > dev, onto OPNS4/Mach > I imagine this is more work than it's worth (even though I agree > it'd be nice). On NeXT hardware it isn't all that hard to have > a dual-boot arrangement for those apps you need to recompile and > you don't want to convert to NS-4.0. Presumably you don't need > to recompile such things very often. I'm with Garance here. Too much work for too little benefit. Of course, if someone _else_ wants to figure it out and hand the script out to all us netters, I'll be happy to use it. :-) Just to add my own $0.02, I've been converting stuff to OPENSTEP for a while now (using both PR1 and PR2) and I've found that the conversion scripts are surprisingly good--they do a decent job of understanding context, etc., which is fairly impressive. They also make some mistakes and give you some surprises... Unfortunately, the changes to OPENSTEP run so deep that the scripts still leave you with a *lot* of work to do. I don't have the final OPENSTEP release yet, but judging from my experiences, I would dare say that any significant app that isn't using the Foundation Kit already under 3.3 will be a real bitch to convert. Even simple little games can get you tearing your hair out... and the MiscKit is a holy terror! Progress _has_ been made on that front, though not as much as I'd like to have seen, and it has been a lot slower than I had expected it would be. At any rate, expect to see some new toys from me soon. For the MiscKit, the conversion is most certainly worth the effort! :-) I'll also be really interested to see how the final release pans out from both a stability and performance point of view. Those issues have slowed me down considerably to date...though I do expect the final release will be a big improvement in that area. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader --> RadicalNews Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:11:32 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul3.071132.15585@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu> In article <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu> reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) writes: [stuff about RadicalNews] > > And it's ..... free. The time-limited beta is free of charge. If you check on their web pages, you will see that there is supposed to be a fee for the full release of RadicalNews (< $100). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: "Andrew M. Priasmoro" <ampriasm@students.wisc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Math Softwares for NeXTStep Intel machines. Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 04:39:38 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does anyone know if there are math softwares such as Mathematica, MathCAD, and Matlab available for NeXTStep 3.3 running Intel machines? If there are, what is the price and where can I purchase them? Thanks. Andrew.
From: peter@mathworks.com (Peter Greis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Math Softwares for NeXTStep Intel machines. Date: 3 Jul 1996 13:00:32 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <4rdqtg$73c@turing.mathworks.com> References: <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> Andrew M. Priasmoro (ampriasm@students.wisc.edu) wrote: : Hi, : : Does anyone know if there are math softwares such as Mathematica, : MathCAD, and Matlab available for NeXTStep 3.3 running Intel machines? : If there are, what is the price and where can I purchase them? : Thanks. : : Andrew. Sorry, no MATLAB; at least not officially. regards, -peter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: tom@hukatronic.cz (Tomas Hurka) Subject: Re: WebObjects and Academia ? Message-ID: <DtyqIE.s9@hurka.UUCP> Keywords: FoundationUserPatch Sender: tom@hurka.UUCP (Tomas Hurka) Organization: Hukatronic (H.C.C.) References: <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:30:14 GMT In article <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) writes: > I have NS/Intel 3.2 (Academic) and have painfully been living > without OmniWeb 2.x since it requires either NS 3.3 or EOF. Could > I get WebObjects Pro or WebObjects Enterprise (free) and use the > EOF to run OmniWeb 2.x? [...] > > Any recommendations for what a 3.2 academic user should do? You can install FoundationUserPatch 3.3. NeXTanswer #2116 and NeXTanswer #2117. Although the readme says this is only for 3.3, several people reported that they were successfully using it under 3.2 with OmniWeb. Good luck, -- Tomas Hurka tom@hukatronic.cz NeXTMAIL and MIME OK (international mail <50 KB accepted)
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: XEmacs compiled for NEXTSTEP ? Date: 3 Jul 1996 13:10:52 GMT Organization: Mathematisches Institut, Uni Heidelberg Message-ID: <4rdrgs$ffe@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Has anyobody tried to compile XEmacs-19.14 for NEXTSTEP, either with Xwindows support or a plain text terminal version ? I didn't succeed with NEXTSTEP 3.3. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact RhiNO | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 54-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 54-8312 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail, MIME) |
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Animation in OmniWeb Date: 3 Jul 1996 10:18:20 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <4rdhdc$ivs@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <31D7EDFF.6B7@lorentz.LeidenUniv.nl> <DtxKz2.IB2@interpc.de> Cc: jens@ipc.de In <DtxKz2.IB2@interpc.de> Jens Ch. Gloede wrote: > Start over again, an animated gif is played back from cache and > won't do any harm to your server or other machines. Surely displaying it takes up CPU time though ? I understood him to mean that he was running the simulation on the machine doing the browsing, not the server. -bat.
From: wln@tla.org (W Lee Nussbaum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Math Softwares for NeXTStep Intel machines. Date: 3 Jul 1996 13:09:26 GMT Organization: Lehman Brothers Message-ID: <4rdre6$b72@webprod2.lehman.com> References: <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> Cc: ampriasm@students.wisc.edu > Does anyone know if there are math softwares such as Mathematica, > MathCAD, and Matlab available for NeXTStep 3.3 running Intel machines? > If there are, what is the price and where can I purchase them? > Thanks. Mathematica is available from Wolfram Research (wolfram.com); note that the beta program for 3.0 is beginning, so you may want to ask about release schedules or upgrade arrangements when you contact them. - Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: tom@hukatronic.cz (Tomas Hurka) Subject: tcpdump Message-ID: <DtyxLy.28L@hurka.UUCP> Sender: tom@hurka.UUCP (Tomas Hurka) Organization: Hukatronic (H.C.C.) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:03:33 GMT Hi, does anybody uses tcpdump under NS/Intel? I downloaded source from ftp.ee.lbl.gov, but the configuration script for pcap library does not find packet capture type. Well, it find bpf, but it can be used only for ppp, while I am interested in en0 interface. Any comments are welcome. Best regards, -- Tomas Hurka tom@hukatronic.cz NeXTMAIL and MIME OK (international mail <50 KB accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19960702.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19960623.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19960625.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 02 Jul 1996 01:00:00 -0600 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: weekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. (The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ has been submitted for news.answers approval, and is waiting for same from the news.answers volunteer team.) Many FAQs can be obtained from news.answers archives: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ is posted twice monthly, with a long expiry time.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: Plotting progam with varying point symbols? Message-ID: <Dtz8GI.K0q@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:57:53 GMT Hello everyone, I'm looking for a plotting program which can do the following thing: Plot height vs. weight for 40 people, with the men indicated by filled-in circles and the women by open circles. Also, it would be nice to have each person's name next to their point. In other words, a 2d plotting program with varying point symbols and labels on each point. I can do it with graphics primitives in Mathematica, but I'm looking for an easier way. I have a 68040 (black) machine running NS 3.0. Thanks in advance! Please respond by email to chwe@uchicago.edu. -- Michael Suk-Young Chwe chwe@uchicago.edu (NeXTMail OK) http://www.spc.uchicago.edu/~wwwchwe/ __|__ | / _| ( ) Economics Department, University of Chicago / \ | /\__| __|_|__ 1126 E 59th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 USA __|__ | / ( ) Facsimile 312-702-8490
From: mnb2@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ParaSheet question Date: 3 Jul 1996 17:41:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <4rebbp$knd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> I have been using ParaSheet1.6 and I can't figure out how to import a text file containing columns of numbers. When I choose Document/Import I can bring a file into the spreadsheet, but each row of numbers appears as a text string. (In Quattro this can be done by choosing the space or comma delimiter option.) ParaSheet doesn't seem to have any help avaialable, so does anyone have any suggestions? -Mark Broadie mbroadie@research.gsb.columbia.edu
Date: 3 Jul 1996 14:29:18 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <cancel.31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> Control: cancel <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: "Andrew M. Priasmoro" <ampriasm@students.wisc.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960703.09 for further details
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Math Softwares for NeXTStep Intel machines. Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Dtz77M.7EL@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:30:58 GMT References: <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <31DA3FDA.26B9@students.wisc.edu>, Andrew M. Priasmoro <ampriasm@students.wisc.edu> wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone know if there are math softwares such as Mathematica, >MathCAD, and Matlab available for NeXTStep 3.3 running Intel machines? >If there are, what is the price and where can I purchase them? >Thanks. > There's Maple. Check out http://www.maplesoft.com/. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WebObjects and Academia ? Date: 3 Jul 1996 19:14:06 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Message-ID: <4regpu$7gl@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <DtyqIE.s9@hurka.UUCP> Keywords: FoundationUserPatch In article <DtyqIE.s9@hurka.UUCP> tom@hukatronic.cz (Tomas Hurka) writes: >In article <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl >Pfleger) writes: >> I have NS/Intel 3.2 (Academic) and have painfully been living >> without OmniWeb 2.x since it requires either NS 3.3 or EOF. Could >> I get WebObjects Pro or WebObjects Enterprise (free) and use the >> EOF to run OmniWeb 2.x? >[...] >> >> Any recommendations for what a 3.2 academic user should do? >You can install FoundationUserPatch 3.3. NeXTanswer #2116 and NeXTanswer >#2117. Although the readme says this is only for 3.3, several people >reported that they were successfully using it under 3.2 with OmniWeb. >Tomas Hurka I did just that and it worked great. Thanks to all those who responded! Ahh. Frames, tables, backgrounds. And finally to have a browser that does backgrounds BUT LETS YOU TURN THEM OFF! :-) I wish Netscape would do that. -Karl
From: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: 2xQ: 4.GB for NS/I 3.3/4.0 ? Monitor ? Date: 02 Jul 1996 19:48:31 -0600 Organization: Computing Research Lab/New Mexico State University Sender: zhao@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu Message-ID: <yeg3f3at8cw.fsf@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> I have bought a pentium 200 pro system w/ 4.0GB HD, w/o monitor. Q1. Do I need to partition the 4GB scsi HD into 2x2GB, since I was told that NS/I 3.3 couldn't handle > 2GB HD. Can 4.0? Q2. I am in search of a top-line 20"/21" monitor. I surfed homepage of Nokia and Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi 20H seems to be very good, but not in market. Is Nokia 445x(TCO) the best choice? BTW, I don;t really trust Viewsonic. ;/ I have two Sony 17se's, they are very good, but not in 20". Thanks in advance, zhao
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 3 Jul 1996 21:11:29 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4renm1$9cp@news4.digex.net> Hi all, In my preparations to upgrade..I wonder if the 2Gig partition limit is gone in the final release of 4.0? It will make a difference in what additional hardware I'm going to buy... Thanks for any info! -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Questions about 3.x Message-ID: <DtzHt4.5Jp@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <4rc3vp$pb0@news1.i1.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:19:52 GMT In article <4rc3vp$pb0@news1.i1.net> c671143@showme.missouri.edu writes: > I'm new to NS for intel. My college is on the of phasing out all > of our slabs and going to SGI Indy's. NS/I and NS for NeXT are different! They aren't binary compatible and the NS User CD is architecture specific. The distribution for NeXT machines won't load on any other architecture. The later Dev and EOF distributions are FAT so they work, but not the basic OS! > I want to be able to run two OS's on my Pentium. Don't worry, > everything is SCSI. What I want to know is specs of the OS. Like > How is it for Net access? Quite fine, I suppose. > Can I port older NS apps to work with Intel? If you got the source code, yes. They are only binary compatible if compiled FAT! > I have so manyquestions about the OS, not OpenStep, or WebObjects or > whatever. I go to www.next.com and all I get is info. on everything but > the operating system. I'm not even sure if NS is what I'm looking for. That's bad ;-) > Basically what I want to do is write C apps, Internet access, have > UNIX at my fingertips, and a stable OS. Thanks, any information, > or directions to a source are greatly appreciated. > If you're not out for a high end OO development system, you're possibly on the wrong track. I mean you get no access to the kernel. You have limitatons with respect to the time sharing usability. Some parts of the kernel are proprietary. The POSIX support in the runtime libs is rudimentary, and I could go on for some time. So if you want to run a genuine Unix dev environment on a Intel machine get FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux. They all come with 100% source code and are, more or less, "living" projects. MachOS for NeXT machines is operational and sufficient with respect to what it was designed for, supporting designer workstations, but that's it. No more progress, period! But, you know, I love that thing, all its limitations and all advantages of it. And I see no current development that would make me abandon the slabs on my desk. And you're welcome if you'd like to join me with this habit :-) -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader --> RadicalNews Date: 3 Jul 1996 22:13:36 GMT Organization: Home, sweet home in Boeblingen, Germany Message-ID: <slrn4tls4g.4gv.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <4r6rf5$1f2@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu> In article <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu>, Matthew N. Reichman wrote: >[About RadicalNews] >And it's ..... free. It's all, but it's surely NOT FREE. The version you're currently using is a BETA version which expires after some time. The final version will cost money, but not too much I think. And yes, RadicalNews will be it worth. - Ingo. -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Boeblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de
From: schaub@tamu.edu (Hanspeter Schaub) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NEXTIME in OS 4.0? Date: 4 Jul 1996 03:40:15 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <4rfeev$a3l@news.tamu.edu> I heard awhile back that NEXTIME was going to be incorporated into OS4.0 Did this happen? Has it been improved over NT1.0? The NeXT web site did not mention any of this on their "OS4.0 feature list". hp -- Hanspeter Schaub Ph.D. Graduate Research Assistant Aerospace Engineering Department Texas A&M University http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~schaub schaub@tamu.edu (NeXTmail welcome) We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! WE CAN LEARN TO FLY! -Jonathon Livingston Seagull
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 23:12:07 -0400 Subject: MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz on peak is corrupt Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz is corrupt. I tried to download it tonight (3 July 1996) and was unable to unarchive it. Since there is no README, and it isn't on peanuts.leo.org, I don't know who to inform. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info http://www.nerc.com/~luomat [ first stages of construction ]
From: lbarry@nas.com (Lisa A. Barry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP! Date: Thu, 04 Jul 96 02:45:27 GMT Organization: Network Access Services, Inc. Message-ID: <4rfb1n$4rh@barad-dur.nas.com> I need HELP!!!! I have a lot of questions and any help would be greatly appreciated. My machine came with a nice manual that said how to put the pieces together and turn it on, and a "User's Guide" that tells a little about the file system, the text editor, how to set the clock, and similar odds & ends, but that's all there is. Nothing like a "system overview for the programmer," or even a list of what software comes with the system (there is some) or what it's supposed to do. Nevertheless, I managed to find a C compiler, an assembler, and what passes for online documentation. The documentation is incomplete, like an appendix, the stuff you read after you've read the real manual. Are there more complete manuals? Where do I find out exactly what language the compiler expects? (Other systems usually provide a "Language Reference Manual" or some such.) What are the assembler linkage conventions? How do I change the amount of memory a program gets at load time? For that matter, what is the default memory size, where is it specified, and how do I change it? How do I communicate with (set a flag for, or suspend, or maybe kill) a running program? How do I run more than one program at a time? (Open several Terminal windows? How?) How do I switch running programs between foreground & background? How do I set up a subroutine library? How do I get a library (or collection of libraries) to be automatically searched at load time? Somehow, I escaped getting on any mailing lists when I sent in the warranty card, so I never get any advertising, not even from Next, and I have no idea what kind of software is available. I don't mean "applications", I want to write "programs", for my own use, without buttons, sliders, etc. What compilers are available, in what languages (C, fortran, basic, whatever)? Is the compiler itself user-friendly (Next's is definitely user-hostile.) Does it provide a user-friendly operating environment for its programs, or are they meant to run naked under unix? What library functions does it have? Must I go to IMSL or NAG? Since the bit-string manipulations I want to do are practical only at the assembler level, what are the linkage conventions for assembler subroutines? A more specific question: how do I set up the Mail program so that my From address will also work as a To address. Right now it won't; you have to use the Reply-To address. The problem is related to the fact that all my mail goes through a university computer system, and the university system requires that I use the particular From address that I do. Sending mail out is no problem. To get mail in, my system runs a program called PopOver, that fetches mail from my mailbox on the university system. Mail sent to my mailbox bounces back and forth between my system and the university system until it generates a "too many bounces" error message. I used to get those messages when I was running NextStep release 3.0 (that's the operating system), but when I upgraded to release 3.3 the error messages, too, started to bounce back and forth, and there is no limit to the number of bounces an error message can make, so we changed my system so that it simply refuses to recognize error messages from the university system. (I forget how we changed it; I think we commented out a line or two in some command file.) Final question, for now. This is about the typesetting program TeX, a version of which comes with the system. Its input is marked-up ascii, and must have a .tex suffix; its output is device-independent printer code, with a .dvi suffix. Now, TeX is the antithesis of WYSIWYG: the markup language is so messy that you need another program -- in this case, TeXview, which also comes with the system -- to let you preview on the screen what the printed output will look like. The problem is that the system is set up so that all .tex files open in TeXview, which is fine for previewing but makes it impossible to edit a .tex file! So how do I change the TeXview setup so that it will let me edit a .tex file? Thanks for any and all help!! Ray
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Alexandra newsreader --> RadicalNews Date: 4 Jul 1996 04:59:22 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-g-37.usc.edu Message-ID: <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> References: <199606292158.RAA20987@nerc.com> <4r6rf5$1f2@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu> <slrn4tls4g.4gv.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> Cc: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de In <slrn4tls4g.4gv.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> Ingo Feulner wrote: > In article <4r7e2c$4or@usc.edu>, Matthew N. Reichman wrote: > >[About RadicalNews] > >And it's ..... free. > It's all, but it's surely NOT FREE. > The version you're currently using is a BETA version which expires > after some time. > The final version will cost money, but not too much I think. > And yes, RadicalNews will be it worth. Very true (same to you Paul 8-) ), and I will be very happy to cough up the dough for it! -- Be well, Matthew Reichman reichman@usc.edu USC-CNTV NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k NeXTMAIL & MIME welcome =============================================================== PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" --------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: Salvo@AccessOne.com(Marc Salvatori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: 2xQ: 4.GB for NS/I 3.3/4.0 ? Monitor ? Date: 4 Jul 1996 05:23:39 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <4rfkgr$ed2@news.accessone.com> References: <yeg3f3at8cw.fsf@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> Cc: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu In <yeg3f3at8cw.fsf@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> Z. Zhao wrote: > Q1. Do I need to partition the 4GB scsi HD into 2x2GB, since I was > told that NS/I 3.3 couldn't handle > 2GB HD. Can 4.0? I believe the 2G partition limit remains the same for 4.0. > Q2. I am in search of a top-line 20"/21" monitor. I surfed homepage > of Nokia and Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi 20H seems to be very good, > but not in market. Is Nokia 445x(TCO) the best choice? I am very satisfied with my 445X; I have used it for almost two years. The 21-inch Nanao is worth a look as well. -- >< Marc J. Salvatori | >< >< mailto:salvo@accessone.com | MIME & NeXTMail are accepted ><
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Opinions on the latest QuickBase? Date: 3 Jul 1996 22:57:59 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4retto$t0o@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <slrn4tj85p.43g.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) wrote: > I'm reviewing RDBMSes and QuickBase was suggested to me. I'd > like to read people's opinions of QuickBase (4.1h is the version > I have). Descriptions of projects with which you use QuickBase > and how well QuickBase does or doesn't meet your needs would be > helpful, but other QuickBase comments are certainly welcome. Hmm. I believe they've changed the name, and the latest version is called "OpenBase". Their web site is: http://www.openbase.com/ And if you get into there you can download the latest, which is "OpenBase version 5.0" (6.73 MB) released on June 10, 1996. I used QuickBase a few years ago, and liked it a lot. The only reason I stopped using it was that I had a fairly involved project I was working on, and in a fit of stupidity I managed to destroy the project and *FIVE* backups (trying to free up disk space at the time), each time thinking I had plenty of other backups. I just couldn't face starting the project over from scratch after being that far along... But I had no complaints with QuickBase itself. > Normally, I'd review the software myself by installing a demo > and trying some things out, but the non-standard install software > doesn't look like it will tell me what it's doing... > > I don't understand what's so special about QuickBase that this > install program is necessary (the standard Install.app seems > quite capable of installing every other NS app), but until I > learn what this will do to the system, I can't justify > installing it. As I remember, it does a few things that are out-of-the-ordinary, but it also seemed to me that with a some extra effort they could have done everything they wanted with the standard Install.app. I don't remember what version it was that I last tried the installer on, but it wasn't doing anything particularly nasty. It creates a userid and puts a number of files under the home directory of that userid (I think it picks /usr/etc/quickbase as the homedirectory). It then puts other pieces in /LocalApps and probably /LocalLibrary. There is also something about setting up the quickbase daemon, but I forget the details. It isn't too hard to figure out what the special installer has done after the fact, but it would be nicer if they had set this up to use the standard Install.app. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WebObjects and Academia ? Date: 3 Jul 1996 23:00:56 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4reu38$t0o@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4rbuoa$kl8@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <DtyqIE.s9@hurka.UUCP> tom@hukatronic.cz (Tomas Hurka) wrote: > kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) writes: > > I have NS/Intel 3.2 (Academic) and have painfully been living > > without OmniWeb 2.x since it requires either NS 3.3 or EOF. > > Could I get WebObjects Pro or WebObjects Enterprise (free) and > > use the EOF to run OmniWeb 2.x? > [...] > > > > Any recommendations for what a 3.2 academic user should do? > You can install FoundationUserPatch 3.3. NeXTanswer #2116 and > NeXTanswer #2117. Although the readme says this is only for 3.3, > several people reported that they were successfully using it > under 3.2 with OmniWeb. The NeXTanswer claims it's for NS-3.3 only. The package file itself (what you get from the NeXTanswer) says it'll work on NS-3.2 systems, and I'm not aware of anyone who has seen any problems installing this FoundationKit patch on a 3.2 system. It is very helpful to have. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: fred@mlink.net (Patrique Lalonde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: CD-R Drives and NEXTSTEP Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 07:21:29 GMT Organization: Mlink Internet, Montreal, Canada Message-ID: <31db70e4.12394421@nntp.mlink.net> Bonjour all, I currently have a NeXT Dimension system and a Win95 intel system. I am in the process of getting my hands on a Yamaha CDR100 recorder. It will come with the software for the Win95 / NT OS but what is currently available on the NEXSTEP side? I would like to be able to create Rockridge format instead of ISO so I can keep file permissions and symbolic links on my CDs. Any suggestions or solutions? Should I think of another drive? Please if possible, reply to the e-mail address below. I have been having quite some trouble getting news recently. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Patrique Lalonde pat@sim.qc.ca
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz on peak is corrupt Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:05:38 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960704120335.1616A-100000@hphalle4d.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > > ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz > > is corrupt. > > Since there is no README, and it isn't on peanuts.leo.org, I don't > know who to inform. > This is not true. Of course it's on Peanuts: (sorry for the splitted path, but it's too long) ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/ Commercial/tools/preferences/MouseMagic* The archive is correct (I've just rechecked it) and it's the latest version V1.1. Hope this helps, Boerny.
From: frank@spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de (Frank Burgbacher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SLIP, TransSys, DialUp IP Keywords: SLIP, TransSys Distribution: world Message-ID: <31db9aca.0@news.uni-konstanz.de> Date: 4 Jul 96 10:19:54 GMT I want to install some SLIP package on my Black NeXTstation. SO I look around the various ftp servers and found the following packages SLIP.920904-A TransSys-PNI.1.13 The second I downloaded only, because I didn't know what it was, just to look at. Now it seems to me that it is a new version of the first. Is this true? In generally, what else do I need to setup SLIP. Are there any important hints you know about? Please let me know. Thanks Frank frank.burgbacher@uni-konstanz.de
From: andersr@mathcs.carleton.edu (Robert D. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: LaTeX2e problems Date: 28 Jun 1996 16:49:48 GMT Organization: Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA Message-ID: <4r12fc$hbt@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> Keywords: LaTeX2e We are getting an error installing LaTeX2e. We are running NeXTstep 3.3 on both intel and the original NeXT hardware. We got the package Latex2E.NHS.pkg.tar from the ftp site ftp://ftp.ens.fr/pub/dmi/users/dicosmo/SW/TeX/ When we install it on the intel machines, it works fine; when we try to run it on the NeXT hardware we get this: atlas:latex2e abc.tex This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) ------- Does anyone know why we might be getting this problem? Following is the file that we used to run it on: % This is a small sample LaTeX input file (Version of 10 April 1994) % % Use this file as a model for making your own LaTeX input file. % Everything to the right of a % is a remark to you and is ignored by LaTeX. % The Local Guide tells how to run LaTeX. % WARNING! Do not type any of the following 10 characters except as directed: % & $ # % _ { } ^ ~ \ \documentclass{article} % Your input file must contain these two lines \begin{document} % plus the \end{document} command at the end. \section{Simple Text} % This command makes a section title. Words are separated by one or more spaces. Paragraphs are separated by one or more blank lines. The output is not affected by adding extra spaces or extra blank lines to the input file. Double quotes are typed like this: ``quoted text''. Single quotes are typed like this: `single-quoted text'. Long dashes are typed as three dash characters---like this. Emphasized text is typed like this: \emph{this is emphasized}. Bold text is typed like this: \textbf{this is bold}. \subsection{A Warning or Two} % This command makes a subsection title. If you get too much space after a mid-sentence period---abbreviations like etc.\ are the common culprits)---then type a backslash followed by a space after the period, as in this sentence. Remember, don't type the 10 special characters (such as dollar sign and backslash) except as directed! The following seven are printed by typing a backslash in front of them: \$ \& \# \% \_ \{ and \}. The manual tells how to make other symbols. \end{document} % The input file ends with this command. --Robert Anderson andersr@mathcs.carleton.edu
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz on peak is corrupt Date: 4 Jul 1996 14:13:34 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Message-ID: <4rgjie$hr1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> Cc: luomat@nerc.com In <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> "Timothy J. Luoma" wrote: > ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz > > is corrupt. > > I tried to download it tonight (3 July 1996) and was unable to > unarchive it. > > Since there is no README, and it isn't on peanuts.leo.org, I don't > know who to inform. The home site is ftp://ftp.plsys.co.uk/pub/Products/MouseMagic/MouseMagic.pkg.tar.gz. The author is andrew@arzana.co.uk, and we are the distributor. Unfortunately throughput to next-ftp.peak.org made it impossible to upload. I would be happy to email a copy to anyone who is interested. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: kafkouli@fiu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:24:23 GMT Organization: Florida International University Message-ID: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> Originator: kafkouli@sirius Hello fellow NeXTSTEP users, I was asked to give advise to a painter who wants to explore computer art. It seems that the Macintosh platform with the software illustrator, adobe photoshop 3x, painter, is the platform of choice for many. I would like to explore the possibility of advising my friend of buying a NeXTSTEP machine. My questions are: 1) Are there any graphic artists who use NeXTSTEP for their professional publishing? 2) What is a NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP software which is at the same quality level as Adobe photoshop [I know about Wet Paint but it seems to be a little bit below the quality of photoshop]. I am seriously exploring NeXTSTEP because I think it is a superior operating system. Thus we come to the hardware question. 3) What is the best configuration for a NeXTSTEP pentium system, suitable for a graphic artist? He would like to spend less than what he needs to spend for a 8500 Mac Power pc. Can he do it with $4,000 including the monitor? Regards George Kafkoulis FIU Mathematics
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: 4 Jul 1996 18:48:48 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> References: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> kafkouli@fiu.edu wrote: > 1) Are there any graphic artists who use NeXTSTEP for their professional publishing? I've heard of some...but can't name names off hand... > 2) What is a NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP software which is at the same quality level as Adobe photoshop [I know about Wet Paint but it seems to be a little bit below the quality of photoshop]. Tiffany2 (and T3 ___Might___ [fingers and toes crossed]) come out. T2 is beyond amazing, IMO... I think it's the best app of its kind on any platform... Morphing, so many image utils, and it lets you so naturally make your own custom 'filthers.' It's multi-threaded, can do batch work. Killer app. It also supports pressure sensitive graphics tablets... > I am seriously exploring NeXTSTEP because I think it is a superior operating system. Thus we come to the hardware question. > 3) What is the best configuration for a NeXTSTEP pentium system, suitable for a graphic artist? > He would like to spend less than what he needs to spend for a 8500 Mac Power pc. Can he do it with $4,000 including the monitor? Probably. The number one concern, is RAM, for image processing. The more the better. I think 64 megs is a good minimum, and luckily, 32MB simms are dirt cheap. 128MB is much better though... Next consideration would be a n Ultra Wide FAST SCSI hard drive. 2Gig minimum... Some kind of external high capacity device would be wise...either a cheap ZIP drive, or some other solution (I personally recommend the 3.5" optical drives...). Then the video and monitor. I highly recommend a 21" and 8meg video card combo (likely a Matrox 8meg Millenium--if he had more money, I might recommend the #9 imagine 128 8meg). The 1600X1200 screen space greatly increases productivity for everyone, and particularly so for artists. Then, a Wacom 12X12 or bigger graphics tablet (they work under NS...with proper drivers). I think with that heavy duty hardware above, and the price range we're talking, you won't be able to go to a pentium pro, but more likely a Pentium 133Mhz. Which, should be just fine, and a rather balanced (through-put wise) machine for the type of work we're talking about. Anyway, the software I reccomend is: - Tailor Pro--lets you edit any postscript file...invaluable - Tiffany2--great image editor - Virtuoso2--I think this will read and save as Illustrator and Freehand files, and personally, I like it better...it's pretty much Freehand but better. - solidThinking--if he wants killer 3D renderman/animation, this is a great package. T2, and Virt2 both can take advantage of pressure sensitve graphics tablets. I think the graphics world is particularly a good use for NeXTSTEP b/c the final output is all that counts, and people want either PS, or EPS, or TIFF/GIF/ETC... and those are not a problem under NS. Furthermore, the display postscript is just killer for working on... And the platform is much more robust, stable, and interoporates better than the Mac... Anyway, just my $0.02... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: andrew@hydra.cfm.brown.edu (Andrew Jones) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] Is there any speech recognition s/w for NS/Moto? Date: 4 Jul 1996 19:14:32 GMT Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rh56o$60g@cocoa.brown.edu> References: <4qmtps$7hr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <slrn4t06h5.769.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> "SimonSays is available (last I heard it was commercial) and it's like all the other speech analysis software I've seen. I wouldn't use it for anything beyond a funny demo at a party. I certainly would not tie any significant commands to it. It misidentified a lot of what I said and it forces you to speak exactly the same way every time. I found it useless unless the immediate surrounding was incredibly quiet or you wear a mic/headphone set. I chalked it up to a joke. -- Due to local news server and feed problems, I might not see all followups." SimonSays work much better with a noise reduction micophone like the Andrea ANC 100.
From: sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 4 Jul 1996 12:55:12 -0700 Organization: BEST Internet Communications Message-ID: <sams.836509654@shellx> References: <4renm1$9cp@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: >In my preparations to upgrade..I wonder if the 2Gig partition limit is gone >in the final release of 4.0? I would guess not; this limitation is tightly coupled to the fast-file-system and its triply indirected inode implementation. The fix is non-trivial (this code is very clever and rather hairy...) Fixing this would require a new kernel and/or a heck of a commitment to the development of NeXT's OS so I suspect it didn't happen. -sam
From: scratch@sunset.sce.carleton.ca (Craig Scratchley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: gcc-2.7.2 on NS3.3-Sparcstation 5? Date: 4 Jul 96 20:41:26 GMT Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Message-ID: <scratch.836512886@sunset.sce.carleton.ca> References: <4r78o4$h63@news.mty.itesm.mx> diego@conga.super.unam.mx (Diego Zamboni) writes: >Hi: >I wanted to compile gcc-2.7.2 on my Sparcstation 5 running NS3.3, both to >have a recent version of gcc and to be able to compile g77, the GNU FORTRAN >compiler. However, apparently gcc doesn't yet support NEXTSTEP running on >sparc processors. >Does anybody have any ideas of getting around this problem? Perhaps Openstep/Mach 4.0 provides a recent-enough version of gcc. Does anybody know? Craig -- W. Craig Scratchley | internet: scratch@sce.carleton.ca Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering | phone: (613) 520-5740 (Dept.) Carleton University | (613) 241-6952 (Home) Ottawa, ON, CANADA K1S 5B6 | fax: (613) 520-5727 (Dept.)
From: wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 4 Jul 1996 23:05:21 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <fbuhyxcgm.fsf@elastica.com> In-Reply-To: <fbuhyxcgm.fsf@elastica.com> URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/ On a related note, how does OpenStep 4.0 perform? Is it out of the question for 040 black hardware? -- Wassim M. Jabi Doctoral Program in Architecture University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Blvd Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069 wjabi@umich.edu (Text/MIME/NeXTMail) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 4 Jul 1996 23:09:33 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> References: <4renm1$9cp@news4.digex.net> <sams.836509654@shellx> Hi Sam :) sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) wrote: > I would guess not; this limitation is tightly coupled to the fast-file-system and its triply indirected inode implementation. The fix is non-trivial (this code is very clever and rather hairy...) Fixing this would require a new kernel and/or a heck of a commitment to the development of NeXT's OS so I suspect it didn't happen. Sigh...that is too bad....With the current state of storage, it is rather limiting...oh well. Thanks for the info. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: What will OpenStep for NT User become? Date: 4 Jul 1996 23:29:23 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <4rhk4j$2l9@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/ I know, kind of, what OpenStep for NT User is _now_, but is it ever going to happen that NeXT ports all their User environment applications to Windows NT? Such that we can get the complete user experience? Is that in the works? -- Wassim M. Jabi Doctoral Program in Architecture University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Blvd Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069 wjabi@umich.edu (Text/MIME/NeXTMail) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607042350.TAA29945@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 19:50:43 -0400 Subject: Re: MouseMagic.1.0.b.NIHS.tar.gz on peak is corrupt References: <199607040312.XAA15427@nerc.com> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I've uploaded a new, working version of MouseMagic to: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/MouseMagic.pkg.tar.gz Thanks to Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> to pointing the official source out to me. ftp://ftp.plsys.co.uk/pub/Products/MouseMagic/MouseMagic.pkg.tar.gz. The author is andrew@arzana.co.uk.... TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info http://www.nerc.com/~luomat [ first stages of construction ]
From: kinau@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Kin Hung Au) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Mosaic 2.6 for NeXT black box Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:23:56 -0700 Organization: California State University, Fresno Message-ID: <4rgr6s$lej@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU> Hi folks, Has anyone ever compiled Mosaic 2.6 for NeXT black box? Could anyone send me a Makefile to compile Mosaic 2.6 or give me a hint? Is there a ftp site to keep binary file for NeXT black box? Please send me an email. Thanks in advance!! =) --Kin ****************************************************************************** Kin Hung Au Internet Address: kinau@csufresno.edu Software Specialist California State University, Fresno Tel# 209-278-7509 Computing, Communications & Media Services FAX# 209-278-4660 Fresno CA 93740 http://maxwell.phys.csufresno.edu:8001/Dept/staff/kinau.html ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607050557.BAA04831@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 01:57:43 -0400 Subject: I can telnet and rlogin, but RBRowser can't connect Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I can telnet or rlogin fine to my ISP account, but when I try to use RBrowser, I get: REXEC FAILED: connect "hostname.domain.com": Connection refused Any idea what might be going on? I'd love to hear any suggestions.... Thanks TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info http://www.nerc.com/~luomat [ first stages of construction ]
From: vladk@escape.com (Vladimir Knajtner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Japanese text editor Date: 5 Jul 1996 06:40:37 GMT Organization: Cloud 9 Internet, White Plains, NY, USA Distribution: usa, japan Message-ID: <4ridd5$1oq@news.cloud9.net> Keywords: kanji, hiragana, katakana, word processing I'm looking for a Japanese text editor to run under NS 3.0 or 3.1. Should not be too complex (something like WriteNow), but should support kanji, hiragana, and katakana and have the ability to print on NeXT printer. A decent public domain program would do as well. Vlad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607050635.CAA05667@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 02:35:29 -0400 Subject: looking for: MudClient.app Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com No, I am not planning on becoming a MUD-er myself, but I remember seeing this app when I was in college, and would like to check it out to see if it has any other uses (like telnet sessions). If anyone has a copy of this app, please let me know... TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info http://www.nerc.com/~luomat [ first stages of construction ]
From: guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl (A. Guyt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e problems Date: 5 Jul 1996 07:59:16 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology Message-ID: <4rii0k$2pb@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> References: <4r12fc$hbt@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> Robert D. Anderson writes > We are getting an error installing LaTeX2e. We are running NeXTstep 3.3 on > both intel and the original NeXT hardware. We got the package > Latex2E.NHS.pkg.tar from the ftp site > ftp://ftp.ens.fr/pub/dmi/users/dicosmo/SW/TeX/ > When we install it on the intel machines, it works fine; when we try to > run it on the NeXT hardware we get this: > > atlas:latex2e abc.tex > This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 > (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) > I remember having the same problem when I first installed this package on my Intel machine. The french author of the package told us then that it had something to do with the different byte orders of 68000 and intel machines. For each family you need a different package. After I downloaded the intel version of the package, the problem dissappeared. You have probably the opposite situation: a good working installation for intel, but not for the 68000 architecture. Check for the 68000 package, or get a latex package somewhere else (e.g. compiling it your own from ctan). Abraham Guyt. _____________________________________________________________________ Abraham Guyt P.O.Box 356 Department of Information Systems 2600 AJ Delft Faculty Technical Mathematics & Informatics The Netherlands Delft University of Technology tel: +31 15 78 5969 E-mail: guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl NeXT-mail welcome
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] Is there any speech recognition s/w for NS/Moto? Date: 5 Jul 1996 08:14:16 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <4riiso$sf8@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <4qmtps$7hr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <slrn4t06h5.769.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <4rh56o$60g@cocoa.brown.edu> In-Reply-To: <4rh56o$60g@cocoa.brown.edu> On 07/04/96, Andrew Jones wrote: > "SimonSays is available (last I heard it was commercial) and it's like all > the other speech analysis software I've seen. I wouldn't use it for > anything beyond a funny demo at a party. I certainly would not tie any > significant commands to it. It misidentified a lot of what I said and it > forces you to speak exactly the same way every time. I found it useless > unless the immediate surrounding was incredibly quiet or you wear a > mic/headphone set. I chalked it up to a joke. > -- Speech recognition s/w does seem to be getting better: the technology SimonSays uses is very old. That's not to say it wasn't good in its day -- for the time I think SimonSays was a good application. What's a real shame is that the NeXT market never adopted Visus' SpeechKit en masse. This was state-of-the-art when it was introduced: basically it allowed developers to include a 1000 word speech recognition system into their app, and define their own grammar, vocabulary etc. Very neat stuff; I tried on a number of occasions to get funds together to buy it, but was sadly thwarted on each occasion. :-( Best wishes, mmalc. posn. research facilitator where institute for language speech and hearing sheffield university west court 2 mappin street sheffield s1 4dt england vox (+44) 114 282 5269 fax (+44) 114 278 0972 email m.crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk NeXTMail, SunMail, MIME welcome PGP key available on request http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/ --
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How about an lipo-pkg tool ? Date: 5 Jul 1996 13:28:06 GMT Organization: Mathematisches Institut, Uni Heidelberg Message-ID: <4rj596$mf0@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Something that I'm missing for quite a while is a tool to extract/remove architectures from pkg packages. I'm glad to fetch the stuff quad-FAT for our departmental network, but to take the packages home, it would be nice to have a way to `thin' them to Intel only. All existing thinner I know of are only able to thin unpacked trees, but using ditto, this should not be impossible (provided no dirty things are done in *.post-install scripts). Perhaps somebody else already has invented such a beast ? Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact RhiNO | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 54-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 54-8312 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail, MIME) |
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: I can telnet and rlogin, but RBRowser can't connect Date: 5 Jul 1996 14:34:52 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <4rj96c$iel@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <199607050557.BAA04831@nerc.com> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > > I can telnet or rlogin fine to my ISP account, but when I try to > use RBrowser, I get: > > REXEC FAILED: connect "hostname.domain.com": > Connection refused > > Any idea what might be going on? I'd love to hear any suggestions.... Your ISP has disabled the 'rexec' port. I'm not a Unix security guru, but I have frequently heard that 'rexec' is inherently unsafe, and that anyone serious about security ought to disable it at once. Chip (n.): Stylized picture |================================================ of a logic diagram drawn on | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu refined sand. See: glitch. |================================================
From: robert (Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MouseMagic doesn't deinstall properly Date: 5 Jul 1996 14:45:54 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <4rj9r2$rvv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Cc: andrew@arzana.co.uk So, with all this talk about MouseMagic, I thought I'd check it out... I never imagined that they'd want MONEY for a mouse utility. Once I realized this, I de-installed from Installer.app (without, in fact, even trying the demo). This left two pernicious dwrites in my defaults database: Preferences LayoutOrder "Expert Keyboard MouseMagic Mouse Monitor Localization System Time Boot Password Command Screen Services" and (something like): Workspace LaunchPaths " /LocalApps/System/TickleServices.app/TickleServer.daemon; /LocalApps/Utilities/Stuart.app/Stuart; /LocalApps/Screen/Fiend.app/Fiend;/LocalLibrary/Preferences/mouse_daemon" The first dwrite prevented Preferences.app from firing up at all (without any error message). The second produced a console error message on login. The MouseMagic DEMO suffers from three flaws: A) It requires root access to try the DEMO. B) It damaged my account C) The archive didn't include a README alerting me that it was commercial software before installation. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: elee@fnbc.com (Edward M. Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Perl MAB for NextStep 3.3? Date: 05 Jul 1996 09:20:15 -0500 Organization: First Chicago NBD Corp. Sender: elee@ird128 Message-ID: <d8zq5esrxc.fsf@fnbc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone managed to get perl 5.003 compiled for nextstep 3.3? If so, please post or email the config.sh, or any patches... I've tried compiling it using both static and shared libraries and neither will compile... unless I drop the packages, which I want. Thanx! Edward.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc1.nerc.com> Subject: Re: I can telnet and rlogin, but RBRowser can't connect Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960705111751.25327A-100000@nerc1.nerc.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:19:35 -0400 References: <199607050557.BAA04831@nerc.com> <4rj96c$iel@news.acns.nwu.edu> To: "Joshua W. Burton" <jburton@nwu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4rj96c$iel@news.acns.nwu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Jul 1996, Joshua W. Burton wrote: > "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > > > > I can telnet or rlogin fine to my ISP account, but when I try to > > use RBrowser, I get: > > > > REXEC FAILED: connect "hostname.domain.com": > > Connection refused > > > > Any idea what might be going on? I'd love to hear any suggestions.... > > Your ISP has disabled the 'rexec' port. I'm not a Unix security guru, > but I have frequently heard that 'rexec' is inherently unsafe, and > that anyone serious about security ought to disable it at once. Which, of course, means that RBrowser is to become obsolete/unusable if it uses that port... I guess using the telnet port would be a problem? TjL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: na199@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Henning Heinze) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e problems Date: 5 Jul 1996 15:24:39 GMT Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg Fuert Fuerthh, Germany Message-ID: <4rjc3n$s5f@freenet-b.fim.uni-erlangen.de> i Mr Anderson, it's an educated guess that your problems will go away when you make a new format file (start initex!). The error message just means that and complies with my experiences. bye Henning Heinze --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc1.nerc.com> Subject: Re: MouseMagic doesn't deinstall properly Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960705112100.25327C-100000@nerc1.nerc.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:29:45 -0400 References: <4rj9r2$rvv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> To: robert@amo.mit.edu cc: andrew@arzana.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4rj9r2$rvv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [Robert: your FROM line was incorrect, it listed only 'robert'} On 5 Jul 1996, it was written: > So, with all this talk about MouseMagic, I thought I'd check it out... > I never imagined that they'd want MONEY for a mouse utility. > Once I realized this, I de-installed from Installer.app (without, > in fact, even trying the demo). Sorry, I should have included this as part of the README that I uploaded, but I already knew it was commercial from the annoucement awhile back. > This left two pernicious dwrites in my defaults database: > > Preferences LayoutOrder "Expert Keyboard MouseMagic Mouse Monitor > Localization System Time Boot Password Command Screen Services" > > and (something like): > > Workspace LaunchPaths " > /LocalApps/System/TickleServices.app/TickleServer.daemon; > /LocalApps/Utilities/Stuart.app/Stuart; > /LocalApps/Screen/Fiend.app/Fiend;/LocalLibrary/Preferences/mouse_daemon" > This is VERY bad behavior, especially without warning! Messing with the LaunchPath dwrite is a major pain.... I happened to notice the dwrite had changed just by chance... > The first dwrite prevented Preferences.app from firing up at all > (without any error message). Hmm.. that should not have happened. I quit and restarted Preferences.app (after de-installing MouseMagic) and had no troubles. What the deinstallation didn't do was remove the numerous dwrites for MouseMagic (something most deinstalls don't do, in my experience) > The second produced a console error message on login. While this does no harm, it certainly isn't correct. > The MouseMagic DEMO suffers from three flaws: > > A) It requires root access to try the DEMO. I think that might be a flaw of NS, in order to change the mouse images... but I could be wrong. > B) It damaged my account fair enough.... It certainly doesn't deinstall correctly. > C) The archive didn't include a README alerting me that it was commercial > software before installation. I take partial blame for that, because I put the readme that is there on next-ftp.peak.org.... However, I think there should have been a readme within the .tar.gz TjL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: Brett Allen Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: I can telnet and rlogin, but RBRowser can't connect Date: 5 Jul 1996 15:47:27 GMT Organization: Only On A Good Day Message-ID: <4rjdef$o1d@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net> References: <199607050557.BAA04831@nerc.com> In <199607050557.BAA04831@nerc.com> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> writes: > > I can telnet or rlogin fine to my ISP account, but when I try to > use RBrowser, I get: > > REXEC FAILED: connect "hostname.domain.com": > Connection refused > > Any idea what might be going on? I'd love to hear any suggestions.... > if you look at the man page fo for rexec(3) you'll see that it connects to the "exec" port on the server (ISP) machine. your ISP's machine is probably not running rexecd (8C) 'later --- Brett Allen
From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e problems Date: 5 Jul 1996 16:25:15 GMT Organization: Disorganized Bits Message-ID: <4rjflb$7g6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <4r12fc$hbt@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> <4rii0k$2pb@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> A. Guyt (guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl) wrote: : Robert D. Anderson writes : > : > atlas:latex2e abc.tex : > This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 : > (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) : > : : I remember having the same problem when I first installed this package on : my Intel machine. The french author of the package told us then that it : had something to do with the different byte orders of 68000 and intel : machines. The only "packaging specific" parts in TeX distribution (assuming correct binaries) are format files. They may be not only byte order dependent, but also a compiler or even compilation flags. They are really binary dumps of TeX memory, so this is not a big surprise. If they are wrong then you will see an error message as above. On the other hand they are trivial to recreate with 'initex', which is undoubtely included in your package. There is no need to retrive once again multiple megabytes of a full distribution. One is normally doing such operations from time to time anyway; for example when updating LaTeX. These updates come regularly in half-year intervals and one just happened a few days ago. :-) If you do not want to be bothered with assorted administrative details (what to edit to include a new language hyphenation patterns, what link and to what after formats where dumped, etc.) then use teTeX. It comes with 'texconfig' utility just to free you of such details. Nowadays teTeX seems to be the facto "the Unix distribution" of TeX and it work on NeXT as well. Michal
From: dekorte@colt.suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 5 Jul 1996 19:15:07 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <4rjpjr$8ar@news.onramp.net> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <fbuhyxcgm.fsf@elastica.com> <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Cc: wjabi@umich.edu In <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Wassim M. Jabi wrote: > On a related note, how does OpenStep 4.0 perform? Is it out of the > question for 040 black hardware? It's only a bit slower on NeXT than 3.3. And the dev apps actually run faster on my turbo color NeXT than on my P100 with NT. -- Steve Dekorte "C++/Java, the COBOL of the 90s" NeXTstep consultant - Anaheim, CA (NeXTmail,MIME) http://www.batech.com/~dekorte/dekorte/index.html
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: problems with sound in many quicktime movies Date: 5 Jul 1996 20:13:15 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rjt0r$6la@nntp.Stanford.EDU> It seems that more and more I'm having problems with the sound in quicktime movies when I try to play them using Nexttime. Most recently this involved the sound on 3 Independece Day trailers being too fast (like playing a record at the wrong speed). But I've found the too fast thing on a couple other movies and some in which the sound just wouldn't play at all. Any tips or tricks for what to do about this (when I know other quicktime players will play them correctly)? Usually the inspector just says mono sound with no compression. -Karl
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: problems with sound in many quicktime movies Date: 5 Jul 1996 20:57:56 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rjvkk$78t@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <4rjt0r$6la@nntp.Stanford.EDU> In article <4rjt0r$6la@nntp.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) writes: >It seems that more and more I'm having problems with the sound in quicktime >movies when I try to play them using Nexttime. Most recently this involved >the sound on 3 Independece Day trailers being too fast (like playing a record >at the wrong speed). But I've found the too fast thing on a couple other >movies and some in which the sound just wouldn't play at all. Any tips or >tricks for what to do about this (when I know other quicktime players will >play them correctly)? Usually the inspector just says mono sound with no >compression. I should also mention that I'm using NEXTIME release 1.0 on NEXTSTEP 3.2/Intel with the Microsoft Windows Sound System sound card. -Karl
From: willers@swissbank.com (Moritz Willers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 5 Jul 1996 07:55:42 GMT Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation, Swiss Bank Center, Zurich Airport Message-ID: <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> [ snip stuff about the 2 gig limit ] .. well, face the fact, NEXTSTEP and now OPENSTEP for Mach is an OS for a client workstation. Who would ever worry having more than two gig attached to a client ?!! This is way too much anyway. Partitions bigger than two gig are held on the filesystem servers which are no NeXTs. There is no hardware around running NS/OS for Mach which is fit for the job. At least nfs-mounting of partitions bigger than 2 gigs is handled correctly since NS3.3 . So the only people having problems with the 2 gig limit are the poor students that try to get everything out of their NeXTs. Same with mine at home. I've got 4 gig of disks attached to it. This is pretty much insane. But then I don't have a fileserver down in the basement ... Don't understand me wrong. I would be glad to see this changed in OPENSTEP for Mach but I see NeXT's business reflection why they don't do it and concentrate on other stuff. - Moritz ------------- always speaking for myself.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What will OpenStep for NT User become? Date: 5 Jul 1996 21:54:55 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4rk2vf$btf@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <4rhk4j$2l9@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) wrote: > I know, kind of, what OpenStep for NT User is _now_, but is it > ever going to happen that NeXT ports all their User environment > applications to Windows NT? Such that we can get the complete > user experience? Is that in the works? That's basically what several people were arguing for in the thread on "OpenStep Heavy". To my knowledge, NeXT has no plans to port the rest of the "NeXTSTEP User Experience" to the OpenStep for WindowsNT product. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Disharmony between NS3.3 & OPNS/Mach development (was Re: OpenStep is finally here) Date: 5 Jul 1996 21:14:31 GMT Organization: Home, sweet home in Boeblingen, Germany Message-ID: <slrn4tr1dn.905.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4ra7sa$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <4rbjud$keo@news3.digex.net> <4rc0bt$ctc@usenet.rpi.edu> <4rdb9u$fs4@news.xmission.com> In article <4rdb9u$fs4@news.xmission.com>, don@misckit.com wrote: >I'll also be really interested to see how the final release pans >out from both a stability and performance point of view. Those >issues have slowed me down considerably to date...though I do >expect the final release will be a big improvement in that area. I've used the gamma release of OpenStep for Mach for several weeks now and some days ago I've got the final release. It's as slow as the gamma was and especially the debugging tools are as buggy as they were under the gamma. (Nobody at NeXT has found it worthy to check out the keyboard support in Projectbuilder with foreign keyboards. As a result, the square brackets (and all umlauts) cannot be typed with a german keyboard in the debugging panel.. ) ProjectBuilder crashes often, InterfaceBuilder is the same. And loading 4.0 built apps takes much longer than 3.3 apps. OpenStep for NT is even worse... but it's still in beta, so there is some hope (but really not much) left... -Ingo. -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Boeblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de
From: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 5 Jul 1996 21:21:04 GMT Organization: Home, sweet home in Boeblingen, Germany Message-ID: <slrn4tr1q0.905.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <fbuhyxcgm.fsf@elastica.com> <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Wassim M. Jabi wrote: >On a related note, how does OpenStep 4.0 perform? Is it out of the >question for 040 black hardware? One short answer: Yes. (with one exception: running 3.3 apps under 4.0) -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Boeblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de
From: jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS Web readers RAM requirements (was: Re: Minimum RAM requirements) Date: 6 Jul 1996 02:57:17 GMT Organization: Organizing Organisms & Organs Message-ID: <slrn4trlg6.i3o.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> References: <eric-2806960040430001@mg131-024.ricochet.net> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960628104254.778C-100000@capitalist.princeton.edu> <slrn4tdmp6.j8j.jbn@mystery-train.cu-online.com> <Dtvs0x.A2w@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> <4rc6dd$9b5@gaea.titan.org> On 2 Jul 1996 22:04:29 GMT, Ken Case <kc@criamon> wrote: > From: kc@criamon (Ken Case) This From: header is invalid and you have no Reply-To:. > While I still use black hardware at home, it wasn't our target > platform for OmniWeb 2.0, any more than 386 machines (black hardware's > contemporary) are the target platform for Netscape 2.0. Maybe if you targetted black hardware you would have created a web reader app with more sensible resource requirements and better performance. To compare, consider this: In <4ra67e$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > For comparison purposes, I also tried [loading the OW2 mailing list archive > test page] using Netscape 2.02 on my 20meg Mac IIci (a 25MHz 68030, if I > remember right). That took 39 seconds before everything was done. Apparently then, OmniWeb 2.x (running on the hardware for which it was designed) is *significantly* outperformed by Netscape 2.02 running on lesser hardware (lower processor, less RAM, etc.). This handily highlights the inadequacies of OmniWeb 2.x. Furthermore, I wonder how much faster (the apparently capable) Netscape 2.02 would perform if it were running on a machine with OmniWeb 2.x's required resources. Ken Case <kc@criamon> wrote: > Now that our goals for the initial release have been met (adding > features), we're making things more efficient again. (And, of course, > porting to OpenStep.) I hope you'll reconsider catering to users with less powerful hardware. I fail to see how aiming for reasonable performance on lesser hardware means bad things for users on more powerful hardware. The primary problem is the outrageous memory requirements (due to an extremely poor cache choice). Another comparison to Netscape illustrates an app that can do more (news, Java, for instance) yet manages to require less memory to process the same webpages far faster. I also think you should let the user control more of the app: (in no particular order) * thread limits -- I can't count the number of times I've locked up OW2. I include gopher and FTP URLs in a bookmark list then set that bookmark list to auto-update periodically. Invariably, these URLs stall OW2 (locking up the app and needlessly consuming valuable system cycles) because OW2 stops waiting for these sites to respond to some query. As a result, the 10-thread limit is filled with these stalled update attempts which, in turn, makes doing anything else (including saving the bookmark list) impossible. * making some events skip the event queue entirely and be processed immediately -- this will help the snafu described above. Saving a bookmark list is very important if you spent a lot of time adding bookmarks. * setting automatic periodic saves -- to help prevent losing bookmarks by app crashes and freezes. * setting timeouts for different types of URLs and specific URLs -- again, to help prevent the aforementioned lockup snafu. * not forcing everything to go from through the SGML translations -- Bookmark lists start as HTML and are saved as HTML. It seems silly to spend so much time doing the translation when the bookmark list will spend most of the time in the same format. I'd argue that most webpages should be treated similarly; they are downloaded as HTML and valuable time is lost in the intermediate SGML translation. I understand that HTML is an SGML application, but that doesn't mean that this universal translation is more important than speedy access to HTML documents. It's nice that if I need OW2 to view my SGML documents, I can (theoretically) use it. I've never needed to do that, however, so for me this translation is not a feature. * using disk-based size-based cache -- TTL all-RAM caching kills not only the app, but the entire system. Even on black hardware (such as the unit I used in the previously described test), it's trivially easy to download enough data to fill up the physical and virtual memory, while the next scheduled TTL flush is in the distant future. If the timeouts are set too low, navigating to previously loaded pages is a pain because the entire page must be re-downloaded. Let the user pick a size for the cache (or, if you want to get fancier, make it more like the system VM should be and let the user pick multiple files to use in a chain where each file will grow *and shrink* accordingly). Also, let the user expire items off the end of a cache file only when space is needed to add new items to the cache. * selecting multiple non-contiguous processes in the process panel and multiple non-contiguous bookmarks in the bookmark panel -- Doing something with groups of items is more productive than doing the same thing one item at a time. I think it's a real bad sign that organizing URLs in a text editor is easier and faster than using OW2's bookmark panel. * customizing the bookmark icons -- I find OW2's bookmark panel UI horrid because the icons are too hard to manipulate and select. I'm constantly inadvertantly editing the name of a bookmark entry instead of double-clicking the ``zap'' icon to open that URL. Dragging ``zap'' icons around is sufficient, but requires more steps than double-clicking a ``zap'' icon (I guess this is the primary reason double-clicking a ``zap'' icon was implemented). Also, the icons are too small and can't be customized (Netsurfer's customized icons for URLs allow far more intuitive arrangements than OW2's teensy ``zap'' icon). * choosing a browser view instead of the collapsable list -- I know some people like the glitz of watching moving list elements, but with a multi-column browser like the file viewer, you can see more entries. A browser view like the file viewer can also easily accomodate customizable URL icons. Lastly, the browser view has the advantage of being a tested known UI choice. * using drag-and-drop across the whole app -- It's nice that OW's open URL panel gained the ability to be pasted into, but I'm surprised that URL ``zap'' icons cannot be dragged into the Open URL panel. * use NS Help for the online help -- When you switch to using WWW pages for help, you stress problems already present in the app. For a beta, WWW help is fine, since the manual is changing and growing. However shipping app should have context-sensitive and/or localized help (or at least the ability to gain these things). Also, I think it's not a wise idea to require an Internet connection just to read application documentation. If implementing Java and other high-level features take precedence over the low-level items, it'll be interesting to read the complaints from people who can no longer run the latest OmniWeb because of the app's ever increasing resource requrements. P.S. Thanks Alex. -- Due to local news server and feed problems, I might not see all followups.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: LaTeX2e problems Message-ID: <Du3Mt9.7ED@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <4r12fc$hbt@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> <4rii0k$2pb@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:58:21 GMT In article <4rii0k$2pb@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl (A. Guyt) writes: >Robert D. Anderson writes >> This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 >> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) >> > >I remember having the same problem when I first installed this package on >my Intel machine. The french author of the package told us then that it >had something to do with the different byte orders of 68000 and intel >machines. For each family you need a different package. This would work. There is really only one file that needs to be different on the two implementations of latex. Actually one directory that needs to be different if you are using slitex, etc. The problem file is the latex.fmt file. You need to have separate *.fmt files on bigendian and little-endian machines. I especially liked the error. "Stymied", not stumped, puzzled or clueless. This took me a while to figure out. If you are installing from the latex2e distribution on CTAN servers, you just need to rebuild the .fmt files on the target machine. Good luck! Steve -- Steven M. Boker 804-982-5062 (voice/fax) 804-295-0009 (home) boker@virginia.edu http://kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu/steve_boker/ Dept. of Psychology, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903 After 8/1/96: Dept. of Psych., U. of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep is finally here Date: 6 Jul 1996 03:12:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rklib$4eq@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <4ra4lv$91t@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <fbuhyxcgm.fsf@elastica.com> <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <slrn4tr1q0.905.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) wrote: > In article <4rhinh$2ip@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Wassim M. Jabi wrote: > >On a related note, how does OpenStep 4.0 perform? Is it out of the > >question for 040 black hardware? > > One short answer: Yes. > (with one exception: running 3.3 apps under 4.0) One longer answer: NO. I've been using OPENSTEP/Mach 4.0 prereleases as my sole OS for over 2 months on an old 25 MHz. Cube and have been just as productive as under NS 3.3. Yes, 4.0 apps take a bit longer to launch, but I autolaunch most of the apps I use all day when I log in, so launch times are a minimal problem for me. Almost every new version of an OS runs slightly slower than the previous version due to the addition of more features, etc., so 4.0 continues that trend. No one should be surprised by this. I haven't noticed PB or IB crashing as reported and I am a developer by profession, but maybe the German version is buggier. But OPENSTEP/Mach doesn't offer many user-level enhancements, so upgrading the User version won't yield an exciting new experience :-) Most of the enhancements are in the Developer version. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 6 Jul 1996 04:46:27 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> willers@swissbank.com (Moritz Willers) wrote: > Don't understand me wrong. I would be glad to see this changed in OPENSTEP for Mach but I see NeXT's business reflection why they don't do it and concentrate on other stuff. I understand too...but, 2 gig really isn't that much anymore. It's practically the standard size dos machine now, because apps are so bloated. Even look at WriteUp, its about 20megs with all the filters, etc... I even find 4 gigs a bit cramped. Oh well, what can you do... except go to an OS that supports more file space ;) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: mpaque@pacbell.net (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NEXTIME in OS 4.0? Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 06:05:14 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <4rkvt2$6dh@news.snfc21.pacbell.net> References: <4rfeev$a3l@news.tamu.edu> schaub@tamu.edu (Hanspeter Schaub) wrote: >I heard awhile back that NEXTIME was going to be incorporated into OS4.0 >Did this happen? Has it been improved over NT1.0? The NeXT web site did >not mention any of this on their "OS4.0 feature list". NEXTIME is included in OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach. Improvements from 1.0 include bug fixes, and, for developers, some API that makes it easy to add movie playback to an app (the most requested feature), sample code, and so on. Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@pacbell.net Personal E-mail mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ParaSheet question Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 08:23:58 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul6.082358.25646@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4rebbp$knd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <4rebbp$knd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> mnb2@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) writes: > I have been using ParaSheet1.6 and I can't figure out how > to import a text file containing columns of numbers. When > I choose Document/Import I can bring a file into the > spreadsheet, but each row of numbers appears as a text string. > (In Quattro this can be done by choosing the space or comma > delimiter option.) ParaSheet doesn't seem to have any help > avaialable, so does anyone have any suggestions? Parasheet requires that import text files end in .txt; and that columns are separated by tabs. It doesn't accept csv or space delimited columns (or at least, it won't split these into columns). I suspect that you have space delimited columns. If so, can I suggest a simple sed filter before you import? Something like: sed -e "s/ */ /g" ^ this is a tab character This expects at least two spaces between columns, but if you don't have embedded spaces in strings, you could cut out one of the spaces. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: jeremy@inetnebr.com (Jeremy Bettis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Puzzled about OpenStep Date: 6 Jul 1996 14:08:50 GMT Organization: Internet Nebraska Message-ID: <4rls1i$85j@duck.inetnebr.com> References: <4rb5g0$qc@netty.york.ac.uk> <4rbe9r$4h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-User: jeremy To: aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) In article <4rbe9r$4h@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > NeXT's Web site is offering a sneak preview (beta version) of the > OPENSTEP/NT development tools which would be necessary to build an > OPENSTEP/NT app. I understand that Microsoft Visual C++ must be installed as > well because the NEXTSTEP linker (ld) hasn't been ported yet. That was true in Prerelease 2 but prerelease 3 comes with the linker, no Visual C++ necessary, as far as I can tell. ( Or course I still had VC++ installed from the prior testing.) -- Jeremy Bettis -*- PGP public key available,send mail with subj "Send pgp key" Home: jeremy@tddi.inetnebr.com Work: jeremy@hksys.com NeXTMAIL/MIME/PGP accepted
From: pollak@mozart.inet.co.th (Dan Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Windows for Work Groups NEtworking For NeXTS Date: 3 Jul 1996 04:44:27 GMT Organization: Internet Thailand, Bangkok, Thailand. Message-ID: <4rctrb$9t@senior.nectec.or.th> Hi I know this has been mentioned before, but I can't find the appropraite post. We've installed Windows for Work Groups on our office network (and will move to NT 4.0 when it comes out). I've heard there is software that will let my beloved NeXT interact with Windows for Wrok Groups -- what is it called and where can I find it? Thanks in advance!
From: jeremy@inetnebr.com (Jeremy Bettis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: gcc-2.7.2 on NS3.3-Sparcstation 5? Date: 6 Jul 1996 14:11:27 GMT Organization: Internet Nebraska Message-ID: <4rls6f$85j@duck.inetnebr.com> References: <4r78o4$h63@news.mty.itesm.mx> <scratch.836512886@sunset.sce.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-User: jeremy To: scratch@sunset.sce.carleton.ca (Craig Scratchley) In article <scratch.836512886@sunset.sce.carleton.ca>, scratch@sunset.sce.carleton.ca (Craig Scratchley) writes: > diego@conga.super.unam.mx (Diego Zamboni) writes: > >>I wanted to compile gcc-2.7.2 on my Sparcstation 5 running NS3.3, both to >>have a recent version of gcc and to be able to compile g77, the GNU FORTRAN >>compiler. However, apparently gcc doesn't yet support NEXTSTEP running on >>sparc processors. > > Perhaps Openstep/Mach 4.0 provides a recent-enough version of > gcc. Does anybody know? > The prerelease does not. I suspect that the final release won't either. -- Jeremy Bettis -*- PGP public key available,send mail with subj "Send pgp key" Home: jeremy@tddi.inetnebr.com Work: jeremy@hksys.com NeXTMAIL/MIME/PGP accepted
From: indy (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: 6 Jul 1996 16:24:21 GMT Organization: EthnoGraphics Message-ID: <4rm3vl$ugm@treflan.shout.net> References: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > kafkouli@fiu.edu wrote: > > 1) Are there any graphic artists who use NeXTSTEP for their professional > publishing? > > I've heard of some...but can't name names off hand... I'm one :-) > > 2) What is a NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP software which is at the same quality > level as Adobe photoshop [I know about Wet Paint but it seems to be a > little bit below the quality of photoshop]. > Tiffany2 (and T3 ___Might___ [fingers and toes crossed]) come out. T2 is > beyond amazing, IMO... I think it's the best app of its kind on any > platform... I use T2 every day and it's extraordinarily cool. Stan Jirman andRalf Brunner have built an amazingapp and they continue to improve it. I especially like the extensible architecture, multi-threading and animation support. You can, for example, render out a sequence from solidThinking and then do post-production in T2 (fades, titles, etc.). Imagine integrating Photoshop and Premiere... The only problems I have with it are periodic crashes, but they're working on it... > > I am seriously exploring NeXTSTEP because I think it is a superior > operating system. Thus we come to the hardware question. > > 3) What is the best configuration for a NeXTSTEP pentium system, > suitable for a graphic artist? > > He would like to spend less than what he needs to spend for a 8500 Mac > Power pc. Can he do it with $4,000 including the monitor? Shop carefully, or better yet hook up with a reputable NEXTSTEP hardware integrator. NS is tough to get running sweetly on Intel, but once it does it's superb. > Anyway, the software I reccomend is: > - Tailor Pro--lets you edit any postscript file...invaluable > - Tiffany2--great image editor > - Virtuoso2--I think this will read and save as Illustrator and Freehand > files, and personally, I like it better...it's pretty much Freehand but > better. > - solidThinking--if he wants killer 3D renderman/animation, this is a great > package. Solid recommendations, to which I add PixelMagician for graphics format conversion and Concurrence for presentation work ups. > I think the graphics world is particularly a good use for NeXTSTEP b/c the > final output is all that counts, and people want either PS, or EPS, or > TIFF/GIF/ETC... and those are not a problem under NS. Furthermore, the > display postscript is just killer for working on... And the platform is > much more robust, stable, and interoporates better than the Mac... You really 'get it' when you're simultaneously downloading a 3D model from a web site, rendering an animation, drawing a texture map, spellchecking ad copy and assembling a slideshow! -- | Steve Weintz 217.244.3074 * indy@uiuc.edu (MIME ok) | 217.344.5303 * indy@shout.net (NeXTMail ok!) | "The anaconda is very dangerous. I'll stand over here while | Jim attaches the radio collar." -- Marlin
From: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de (Juergen Grieb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS 4.0 and ATI Mach 64 Date: 6 Jul 1996 16:17:16 GMT Organization: "private site" Message-ID: <4rm3ic$97@eskimo.eskimo.bb.bawue.de> I'm using NS 3.3 and a ATI Mach 64 right now. I run 1152x896 and therefor use an older version of the driver (3.34) because newer ones won't have this resolution. As far as I've heard that is because newer drivers ask the card's bios about available res. I would like to upgrade to NS 4.0. But how about the driver under 4.0? Can I get 1152x896 or am I limited to 1024x768? Anybody using 4.0 and ATI together? -- Juergen _______________________________________________________________________ Juergen Grieb ** 72119 Ammerbuch/Germany ** Tel. +7073 - 5118 e-mail: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de ** NeXTMail and Mime welcome PGP-Key is available (please request it, so mail exchange will be safe)
From: David Kelman <sacremon@access.mountain.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NEXTIME in OS 4.0? Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 08:26:48 -0500 Organization: None Message-ID: <31DE7014.E92@access.mountain.net> References: <4rfeev$a3l@news.tamu.edu> <4rkvt2$6dh@news.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Paquette wrote: > NEXTIME is included in OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach. Improvements from 1.0 > include bug fixes, and, for developers, some API that makes it easy to > add movie playback to an app (the most requested feature), sample > code, and so on. So I take it that AVI is still not supported by NEXTIME, even though it recognized the extention in 1.0? David Kelman sacremon@access.mountain.net
From: aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 6 Jul 1996 17:36:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > I understand too...but, 2 gig really isn't that much anymore. It's > practically the standard size dos machine now, because apps are so bloated. > Even look at WriteUp, its about 20megs with all the filters, etc... I even > find 4 gigs a bit cramped. > > Oh well, what can you do... except go to an OS that supports more file > space ;) Partitions and symbolic links are your friends. Put the files where you need to due to partiton space restrictions and link them to where you want them to appear on the file system. If you install NS/OS on the "a" partition so that booting and upgrades are easy, then place all your added files on other partitions linking them to the file system on the "a" partition, and add mount commands in /etc/fstab so all partitions are mounted at boot time, you'll hardly be aware that your mongo disk isn't a single partition. Seems that the 2 GB limit is a serious problem only when one needs to deal with files larger than 2 GB. I've been running with multiple partitions and haven't noticed any problems, but maybe I'm missing something. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MouseMagic doesn't deinstall properly Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:27:09 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul6.162709.26258@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4rj9r2$rvv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In reply to Robert Lutwak <robert@amo.mit.edu> who wrote: > > This left two pernicious dwrites in my defaults database: > > Preferences LayoutOrder "Expert Keyboard MouseMagic Mouse Monitor > Localization System Time Boot Password Command Screen Services" > Thank you for pointing this out. We must admit, this is a new bug for us. We'll correct it, and release a new version of MouseMagic asap. We'll also make sure it de-installs all the other dwrites it creates, too. > and (something like): > > Workspace LaunchPaths " > /LocalApps/System/TickleServices.app/TickleServer.daemon; > /LocalApps/Utilities/Stuart.app/Stuart; > /LocalApps/Screen/Fiend.app/Fiend; > /LocalLibrary/Preferences/mouse_daemon" > Yes the last line should have been removed on deinstall. We'll correct this too. In answer to the following queries: >The MouseMagic DEMO suffers from three flaws: > > A) It requires root access to try the DEMO. Not true, unless you want to install the package in a "root" owned directory, such as /LocalLibrary/Preferences. Maybe you could expand on the problem further, we've never encountered this issue ? > > B) It damaged my account > Apologies for this. The 2 dwrites you mentioned above should have been removed. We do thank you for alerting us though. It'll be corrected and a new version of MouseMagic released. > > C) The archive didn't include a README alerting me that it was > commercial software before installation. > Not guilty I'm afraid, we didn't submit it to the archive. However, so you (and others) may enjoy MouseMagic for a longer demo period, feel free to use this free demo license for a month : B0B0-0A86-321D-EC4B-0176 Best things, Andrew ARZANA LIMITED --- Andrew D. Forkes email: <Andrew_Forkes@arzana.co.uk> (NeXTmail & MIME are fine!) "Peace cannot be achieved by force, only understanding." - ALBERT EINSTEIN 1879-1955
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Du4yto.oH0@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:15:23 GMT References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >Oh well, what can you do... except go to an OS that supports more file >space ;) Or go buy a Sun 3/50 for $100 and stick /LocalApps or whatever on it. :-) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: dekorte@colt.suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What will OpenStep for NT User become? Date: 6 Jul 1996 23:47:04 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <4rmtto$p5@news.onramp.net> References: <4rhk4j$2l9@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4rk2vf$btf@usenet.rpi.edu> Cc: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Garance A Drosehn wrote: > wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) wrote: > > I know, kind of, what OpenStep for NT User is _now_, but is it > > ever going to happen that NeXT ports all their User environment > > applications to Windows NT? Such that we can get the complete > > user experience? Is that in the works? > > That's basically what several people were arguing for in the > thread on "OpenStep Heavy". To my knowledge, NeXT has no plans > to port the rest of the "NeXTSTEP User Experience" to the > OpenStep for WindowsNT product. I think NeXT is having as difficult a time porting there apps to OpenStep as the rest of us are with our own. It's not easy. I suspect NeXT's priority is to get the OpenStep Dev environment solid before worrying about the rest. Most of us will probably stay on OpenStep for Mach and just recompile on NT anyways. -- Steve Dekorte "C++/Java, the COBOL of the 90s" NeXTstep consultant - Anaheim, CA (NeXTmail,MIME) http://www.batech.com/~dekorte/dekorte/index.html
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: I can telnet and rlogin, but RBRowser can't connect Date: 6 Jul 1996 09:56:00 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <4rld7g$4q@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <199607050557.BAA04831@nerc.com> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > >I can telnet or rlogin fine to my ISP account, but when I try to >use RBrowser, I get: > >REXEC FAILED: connect "hostname.domain.com": >Connection refused Your connection is refused by the remote system. Take a look at the docs. You have to be an authorized user on the remote system (.rhost or host.equiv file do exist?), rexecd must be enabled on the remote system. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 7 Jul 1996 00:31:36 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-h-42.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rn0h8$6hs@usc.edu> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Cc: aisbell@cubicsol.com In <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Art Isbell wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > I understand too...but, 2 gig really isn't that much anymore. It's > > practically the standard size dos machine now, because apps are so bloated. > > Even look at WriteUp, its about 20megs with all the filters, etc... I even > > find 4 gigs a bit cramped. > > > > Oh well, what can you do... except go to an OS that supports more file > > space ;) > > Partitions and symbolic links are your friends. Put the files where you > need to due to partiton space restrictions and link them to where you want > them to appear on the file system. If you install NS/OS on the "a" partition > so that booting and upgrades are easy, then place all your added files on > other partitions linking them to the file system on the "a" partition, and > add mount commands in /etc/fstab so all partitions are mounted at boot time, > you'll hardly be aware that your mongo disk isn't a single partition. > > Seems that the 2 GB limit is a serious problem only when one needs to > deal with files larger than 2 GB. I've been running with multiple partitions > and haven't noticed any problems, but maybe I'm missing something. There are probably many situations where files over 2gb exist. But I just wanted to point out that if under the 6gb harddrive scenario, if there's a drive problem of any kind, then I'm going to have problems getting at 6gb worth of data. If I have 3-2gb drives and one has problems, then..... I think that's a plus. For the larger files issue - and frankly after 2gb or maybe 4gb, I would much prefer spending the money on a RAID system. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman reichman@usc.edu USC-CNTV NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k NeXTMAIL & MIME welcome =============================================================== PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" --------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 3.3 Drivers on 4.0? Message-ID: <1996Jul6.183249.82400@cc.usu.edu> From: hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Howard R. Cole) Date: 6 Jul 96 18:32:48 MDT Do 3.3 device drivers work with OS 4.0? I suspect they must, since I've not heard any rumblings about having to get new ones. Thanks for confirmations/denials. - HRC -
From: halpin@codem.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 01:23:11 GMT Organization: CODEM Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4r280e$mhs@news4.digex.net> <4r5tmh$f6j@news.tuwien.ac.at> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <Dtx8Iv.6D@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: >In article <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu>, >Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >> >>Maybe some would argue that I'm being mighty impatient, and that >>it may only be another week or two before NeXT figures out their >>marketting. I hope that's true, but I do feel that in the interim >>they could at least chat up the fact that the product exists, even >>if it's just some informal articles saying what goodies are coming >>in NeXTSTEP 4.0. Give people something interesting to talk about, >>which is bound to be more helpful then everyone sitting around >>wondering why NeXT is so quiet. >> > Well, from http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html: >- A proven user environment under UNIX (including your favorite >NEXTSTEP applications), binary compatibility with NEXTSTEP Release 3.3 >so you can continue to use applications that aren't "OPENSTEPified", >and new support for Samba, PPP, Perl5, and Taylor UUCP I read this as "we didnt break stuff and we compiled some freeware one Saturday and put it in the release tree.." Id rather see things like multiprocessing, a journalling file system, etc..., or is that why OpenStep is moving to NT? >- A proven and powerful development environment for building >applications under UNIX that can be deployed on Windows NT and Solaris Proven?? OpenStep proper doesnt ship on anything, and for the longest time the OpenStep page only talked about OpenStep for Windows, leaving me asking only a week ago "will there be an OpenStep for Mach or for Solaris?" Even their Partners Web pages have dangling links to Sun, HP and even NeXT, leading one to believe their partners have bailed.. >- Access to new versions of EOF, PDO, and D'OLE >- Enhancements for developers, including improved memory management, >improved support for distributed objects, easier localization, a >simplified API, enhancements to Project Builder and Interface Builder, >and more. Are these enhancements bug fixes, evolutionary changes or revolutionary changes?? The noise on the newsgroups would indicate that the OpenStep API actually creates a lot of work for folks with exiting code. > Hmmmm. Hardly a lot. So little its disturbing.. All Ive seen so far indicates that its the same old same old with a different API. With OpenStep for Mach at least announced, are developers out from under the NDA far enough to start evangelizing the changes?? BTW, does anyone know what the "Special Upgrade Bundle" is and how much it costs? >-- >David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca >Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ >University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer >Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual -Steve
From: dfgalvan@icia.rcanaria.es (Domingo Fernandez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: A4 default page size Date: 7 Jul 1996 12:07:57 GMT Organization: Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias Message-ID: <4ro9at$1ui@sinfo.ll.iac.es> Can someone tell me how to change the default page size from letter to A4 on NS3.0? Thanks -- Domingo Fernandez Galvan <dfgalvan@icia.rcanaria.es> Instituto Canario de Investigaciones Agrarias Dto. Fruticultura Tropical Apdo 60 La Laguna 38200 Tenerife Canary Is. SPAIN
From: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: gcc-2.7.2 on NS3.3-Sparcstation 5? Date: 7 Jul 1996 10:11:37 GMT Organization: Home, sweet home in Boeblingen, Germany Message-ID: <slrn4tv3ap.k0f.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> References: <4r78o4$h63@news.mty.itesm.mx> <4rls6f$85j@duck.inetnebr.com> On 6 Jul 1996 14:11:27 GMT, Jeremy Bettis <jeremy@inetnebr.com> wrote: >The prerelease does not. I suspect that the final release won't either. You're right. - Ingo. -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Boeblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de
From: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS 4.0 and ATI Mach 64 Date: 7 Jul 1996 10:17:53 GMT Organization: Home, sweet home in Boeblingen, Germany Message-ID: <slrn4tv3mh.k0f.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> References: <4rm3ic$97@eskimo.eskimo.bb.bawue.de> On 6 Jul 1996 16:17:16 GMT, Juergen Grieb <juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> wrote: >I would like to upgrade to NS 4.0. But how about the driver under 4.0? Can I >get 1152x896 or am I limited to 1024x768? >Anybody using 4.0 and ATI together? Generally the 3.3 drivers still work under 4.0. -Ingo. -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Boeblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 7 Jul 1996 15:33:43 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4rolcn$9b1@news4.digex.net> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > Partitions and symbolic links are your friends. Put the files where you need to due to partiton space restrictions and link them to where you want them to appear on the file system. If you install NS/OS on the "a" partition so that booting and upgrades are easy, then place all your added files on other partitions linking them to the file system on the "a" partition, and add mount commands in /etc/fstab so all partitions are mounted at boot time, you'll hardly be aware that your mongo disk isn't a single partition. Yes, I figure I will go the symb route... But I might have a need to support greater than 2G files soon... I wonder, does NS properly mount NT volumes that are greater than 2Gigs? That maybe a solution for the file problem... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Du6pG3.8KJ@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:48:03 GMT References: <4qqaja$7ll@ratty.wolfe.net> <4ra3td$ha1@usenet.rpi.edu> <Dtx8Iv.6D@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net>, Stephen E. Halpin <halpin@codem.com> wrote: >dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > >> Well, from http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html: > >>- A proven user environment under UNIX (including your favorite >>NEXTSTEP applications), binary compatibility with NEXTSTEP Release 3.3 >>so you can continue to use applications that aren't "OPENSTEPified", >>and new support for Samba, PPP, Perl5, and Taylor UUCP > >I read this as "we didnt break stuff and we compiled some freeware one >Saturday and put it in the release tree.." Id rather see things like >multiprocessing, a journalling file system, etc..., or is that why >OpenStep is moving to NT? > Well, yeah, so would I. But I think that's what NT is supposed to be for. :-( >>- A proven and powerful development environment for building >>applications under UNIX that can be deployed on Windows NT and Solaris > >Proven?? OpenStep proper doesnt ship on anything, and for >the longest time the OpenStep page only talked about OpenStep >for Windows, leaving me asking only a week ago "will there >be an OpenStep for Mach or for Solaris?" Even their Partners >Web pages have dangling links to Sun, HP and even NeXT, >leading one to believe their partners have bailed.. > In Steve-o's world, anything can be "proven" if you just re-define what "proven" means. >> Hmmmm. Hardly a lot. > >So little its disturbing.. All Ive seen so far indicates that its >the same old same old with a different API. With OpenStep >for Mach at least announced, are developers out from under >the NDA far enough to start evangelizing the changes?? > I am truly saddened. I wonder if this article will put me on NeXT's black list? -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
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From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e problems / TeTeX Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 21:18:41 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitδt Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <31E00D91.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <4rjc3n$s5f@freenet-b.fim.uni-erlangen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: ried Hi folk, I use the TeTex distribution for all the platforms in our pool. The shared part is just from any CTA like ftp.dante.de. The binary part is from: ftp://zarquon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de/pub/NeXT/TeX/teTeX/ Of course you have to use another texview.app working with fonts in other locations. I use one of the binaries in: ftp://zarquon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de/pub/NeXT/TeX/texview I have absolutely not problems with this installation of Latex2e. The NeXT behaves just as any other unix maschine. Thanks to Gregor TexView work perfectly (for me). Let's see what kind of latex and texview is included in the openstep distribution. If it is bad I'm sure the autors of the tetex binaries for next will write a official announce. stefan _________________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI fuer Polymerforschung, Postf. 3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | .. openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ..of the wheel__/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW-Page http://th05.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried \_/ \_/| \_________________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: ernst@fritz.snafu.de (Ernst Kloecker) Subject: Re: A4 default page size Message-ID: <Du6xt4.G7K@fritz.snafu.de> Sender: news@fritz.snafu.de Organization: Software Engineering References: <4ro9at$1ui@sinfo.ll.iac.es> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:48:35 GMT In article <4ro9at$1ui@sinfo.ll.iac.es>, dfgalvan@icia.rcanaria.es (Domingo Fernandez) wrote: >Can someone tell me how to change the default page size from letter to A4 on >NS3.0? > dwrite -g NXPaperType A4 --- Ernst Kloecker ernst@fritz.snafu.de
From: M. WILKINS <mwilkins@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc,comp.s Subject: I'LL TELL YOUR FUTURE, NOW!!! Date: 7 Jul 1996 22:53:52 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bb6c56.57337d00$3f5bface@mwilkins> I'LL TELL YOUR FUTURE, NOW!!!!! JUST CALL 1-900-868-4100 EXT. 7607 $3.99per min. must be 18yrs Serv-U(619)645-8434
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From: "Patrick Ketelaar" <ketelaar@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc Subject: Re: I'LL TELL YOUR FUTURE, NOW!!! Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:36:14 -0400 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bb6c76.7bdde120$6589d3c6@#ketelaar> References: <01bb6c56.57337d00$3f5bface@mwilkins> Wait- I can tell my own future- I'm not gonna call, not gonna spend 3.99 a minute, gonna save for the win version of the pilot sdk. pat -- Patrick Ketelaar- Ketelaar@ix.netcom.com Disney Maps for Newton http://www.netcom.com/~ketelaar/orion.html The above is my opinion, I could be wrong, but who cares? > M. WILKINS <mwilkins@earthlink.net> wrote in article <01bb6c56.57337d00$3f5bface@mwilkins>... > I'LL TELL YOUR FUTURE, NOW!!!!! > > JUST CALL 1-900-868-4100 EXT. 7607 > > $3.99per min. > must be 18yrs > Serv-U(619)645-8434 > > >
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From: indy (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 8 Jul 1996 04:23:55 GMT Organization: EthnoGraphics Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rq2gr$77m@treflan.shout.net> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Cc: aisbell@cubicsol.com In <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Art Isbell wrote: > Partitions and symbolic links are your friends. Put the files where you > need to due to partiton space restrictions and link them to where you want > them to appear on the file system. If you install NS/OS on the "a" partition > so that booting and upgrades are easy, then place all your added files on > other partitions linking them to the file system on the "a" partition, and > add mount commands in /etc/fstab so all partitions are mounted at boot time, > you'll hardly be aware that your mongo disk isn't a single partition. Yup, that's what I've been doing since December '93 and 3.2. Works great, and upgrades are smoother on a separate partition. -- | Steve Weintz 217.244.3074 * indy@uiuc.edu (MIME ok) | 217.344.5303 * indy@shout.net (NeXTMail ok!) | "The anaconda is very dangerous. I'll stand over here while | Jim attaches the radio collar." -- Marlin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Message-ID: <Du6wyE.4zw@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:30:14 GMT Hi, I cannot believe this: I just tried to create a document sized 80x60 cm (roughly A1). Print Panel's Preview launches Preview but then Preview.app always gives me what looks like a piece of size A4 from bottom right corner of my document. No chance to get at the rest! Now where is the rest of my document? Would it print all right? How could I preview it if Preview.app cannot? It is most definitely not the compositing app - I tried Diagram.app, PasteUp.app, - always the same result. The largest document size that seems to work is A3? please tell it is just me and there is a natural Nextish way to do it. Juergen --- Fon +49 511 92455-51 NeXTMail welcome No Mime Fax +49 511 92455-52 = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: rworne@primenet.com (Robert Worne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 7 Jul 1996 22:52:07 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <4rq7m7$63u@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rkr33$c7k@news3.digex.net> <4rm864$9rl@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <4rolcn$9b1@news4.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >aisbell@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) wrote: >> Partitions and symbolic links are your friends. Put the files where >you need to due to partiton space restrictions and link them to where you >want them to appear on the file system. If you install NS/OS on the "a" >partition so that booting and upgrades are easy, then place all your added >files on other partitions linking them to the file system on the "a" >partition, and add mount commands in /etc/fstab so all partitions are >mounted at boot time, you'll hardly be aware that your mongo disk isn't a >single partition. > >Yes, I figure I will go the symb route... But I might have a need to >support greater than 2G files soon... I wonder, does NS properly mount NT >volumes that are greater than 2Gigs? That maybe a solution for the file >problem... Ack, I've been doing this route for a year a well, however, when I resurrected my cube to be a print server, all the symlinks are broken over NFS, /usr/local, /LocalApps, /LocalLibrary, /LocalDeveloper are all showing up on the Cube as "?" and attempting to mount the volumes results in "Permission Denied." Any clues as to how to fix this? The problem apparently is that I cannot any volume other than the "root" partition. -- Robert Worne NeXT-OS/2-MacOS Starving CS Undergrad...Sorry, I don't *do* Windows! I'd rather starve... -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/P/S d-?>pu s+:+> a- C++$>++++ UX++++>$ P+>+++ L+ !E !W++ N+++ !o-- !K w--- O++$ M+ V PS>--- !PE+ Y+ !PGP- t@ 5++ X+++ R- tv b+>++ DI !D G e>+++ h--- r++ y+++** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: glen@prosoft.com (Glen Biagioni) Subject: Re: Windows for Work Groups NEtworking For NeXTS Message-ID: <Du7n2B.67K@prosoft.com> Sender: usenet@prosoft.com Organization: ProSoft Solutions, Inc. References: <4rctrb$9t@senior.nectec.or.th> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 05:54:11 GMT Dan Pollak writes > Hi > I know this has been mentioned before, but I can't find the appropraite post. > > We've installed Windows for Work Groups on our office network (and will > move to NT 4.0 when it comes out). I've heard there is software that > will let my beloved NeXT interact with Windows for Wrok Groups -- what is > it called and where can I find it? > > Thanks in advance! Here is a previous posting to this group: Samba page is in http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/samba.html have fun with it! --kai-- -- email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/
From: egeze@stage1.univ-lr.fr (Emmanuel Geze) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> Control: cancel <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> Date: 8 Jul 1996 06:26:10 GMT Organization: Universite de La Rochelle Message-ID: <4rq9m2$j36@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> cancel
From: egeze@stage1.univ-lr.fr (Emmanuel Geze) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> Control: cancel <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> Date: 8 Jul 1996 06:26:16 GMT Organization: Universite de La Rochelle Message-ID: <4rq9m8$j36@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> cancel
From: egeze@stage1.univ-lr.fr (Emmanuel Geze) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> Control: cancel <4rfj3a$lk4@usc.edu> Date: 8 Jul 1996 06:26:17 GMT Organization: Universite de La Rochelle Message-ID: <4rq9m9$j36@hpuniv.univ-lr.fr> cancel
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: A4 default page size Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:04:11 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul7.220411.29668@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4ro9at$1ui@sinfo.ll.iac.es> In article <4ro9at$1ui@sinfo.ll.iac.es> dfgalvan@icia.rcanaria.es (Domingo Fernandez) writes: > Can someone tell me how to change the default page size from letter to A4 on > NS3.0? dwrite -g NXPaperType A4 Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: mow@navigator.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 7 Jul 1996 08:49:18 GMT Organization: Navigator Message-ID: <4rntme$ve@marsu.navigator.schwaben.com> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: mburg@twotribes.de In <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> Moritz Willers wrote: > [ snip stuff about the 2 gig limit ] > > .. well, face the fact, NEXTSTEP and now OPENSTEP for Mach is an OS for a > client workstation. Who would ever worry having more than two gig attached > to a client ?!! This is way too much anyway. > > Partitions bigger than two gig are held on the filesystem servers which > are no NeXTs. There is no hardware around running NS/OS for Mach which is > fit for the job. You might think so. But many of my customers are small companies with two, three or four Nextstep machines, and they simply cannot afford a big Sun with a RAID array and NetInfo for Solaris as a fileserver. Though, they often need lots of diskspace for prepress data. One of my partners has 15 GB disk space connected to four Nextstep machines, and he would love to see Seagate's 9 GB disk mounted as one single file system. > So the only people having problems with the 2 gig limit are the poor > students that try to get everything out of their NeXTs. Sounds to me as you cannot even imagine that there are companies without a *bank.* in their domain who have limited budgets for hardware. "Nextstep is no server platform" is a too easy statement to justify outdated limitations in software. -- Navigator Markus Wenzel info@navigator.de IT Consulting & System Administration http://www.neworbit.de/navigator/
From: kinau@lennon.csufresno.edu (Kin Hung Au) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Mosaic 2.6 for NeXT Black Box Date: 7 Jul 1996 04:34:41 GMT Organization: California State University, Fresno Message-ID: <4rnep1$l0u@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU> Hi folks, Has anyone ever compiled Mosaic 2.6 for NeXT black box? Could anyone send me a Makefile to compile Mosaic 2.6 or give me a hint? Is there a ftp site to keep binary file for NeXT black box? Please send me an email. Thanks in advance!! =) --Kin ****************************************************************************** Kin Hung Au Internet Address: kinau@csufresno.edu Student Software Specialist California State University, Fresno Tel# 209-278-2355 Computing, Communications & Media Services FAX# 209-278-4660 Fresno CA 93740 http://maxwell.phys.csufresno.edu:8001/Dept/staff/kinau.html ******************************************************************************
From: "Lullaby" <everblue@ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS 4.0 Screen shots anyone? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 02:37:44 -0700 Organization: Unknown Organization Message-ID: <01bb6cb1.1dc0b3c0$461543a4@everblue> Not the one from Peanuts archive--no artist's renditions, please. If anyone has the ACTUAL screenshots of NS 4.0 for Mach, please post it or mail it to me!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: gdkuch@barrow.uwaterloo.ca (Jerry Kuch) Subject: Re: Stop Bill Gates Sender: news@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (news spool owner) Message-ID: <Du83no.nIo@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:52:36 GMT References: <31E0AC28.23B0@norfolk.infi.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <31E0AC28.23B0@norfolk.infi.net>, ken gardner <kengard@norfolk.infi.net> wrote: >Help stop Microsoft from becoming a monopoly. Check out >www.simwell.com/stopgates. Thanks. Neat logo, but... "Save the world by selling T-shirts?" Give me a break. Further, the notion that "capitalism becomes communism" in the presence of monopolies seems to imply substantial misunderstanding of both systems. On top of that, your implicit comparison of Bill Gates and Adolf Hitler is just too dumb for words. -- Jerry Kuch EMail: gdkuch@mercator.math.uwaterloo.ca, NeXTMail welcome. IMPORTANT NEWS: Scripts for "Godzilla Vs. Desutoroia" had envisaged the monster's main target as the 1996 World City Expo in Tokyo but the idea fell through when Gov. Yukio Aoshima cancelled the event.
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Date: 8 Jul 1996 13:56:54 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <4rr436$942@shelob.afs.com> References: <Du6wyE.4zw@euler.han.de> Juergen Sell writes > I cannot believe this: Believe it. > Preview.app always gives me what looks like a piece of size A4 from > bottom right corner of my document. Where is the rest of my document? tumbolia, land of characters in books that aren't being read, the place where hiccups go to die, home of the infinitely recursive popping tonic. > Would it print all right? Usually. > How could I preview it if Preview.app cannot? You can't. > It is most definitely not the compositing app - I tried Diagram.app, > PasteUp.app, - always the same result. Tell me about it. This is a "top five" support question for PasteUp. The bottom line is, oversize documents -- and that includes US Legal -- can only be previewed within the creating app. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "I wander'd off by myself, In the Crystal Ball/Star Gazer | mystical moist night-air, and from Anderson Financial Systems | time to time, Look'd up in perfect greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | silence at the stars." Walt Whitman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Japanese text editor Message-ID: <miked-0807961528310001@micmacmike.ittpub.nl> From: miked@ittpub.nl (Mike Davis) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:28:31 +0200 References: <4ridd5$1oq@news.cloud9.net> Distribution: usa, japan Organization: ITT Publitec bv, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. In article <4ridd5$1oq@news.cloud9.net>, vladk@escape.com wrote: > I'm looking for a Japanese text editor to run under NS 3.0 or 3.1. Should > not be too complex (something like WriteNow), but should support kanji, > hiragana, and katakana and have the ability to print on NeXT printer. A > decent public domain program would do as well. > > Vlad What's wrong with the Japanese version of Edit.app?
From: gabor@arch-ws3 (Gαbor Freivogel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Date: 8 Jul 1996 15:35:59 GMT Organization: University of Kassel - Germany Message-ID: <4rr9sv$d0g@hrz-ws11.hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <Du6wyE.4zw@euler.han.de> <4rr436$942@shelob.afs.com> Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) wrote: > Juergen Sell writes > > I cannot believe this: > Believe it. > Tell me about it. This is a "top five" support question for PasteUp. > The bottom line is, oversize documents -- and that includes US Legal -- > can only be previewed within the creating app. > -- You can Preview large documents with Tailor ( even in demo mode) and with OneVision as well. I takes sometimes quite long ... (depending of the complexity of your postsript file.) Gabor -- Gabor Freivogel GhK- University of Kassel/ Germany Dept. of Architecture Henschelstr. 2 34109 Kassel Germany E-mail: gabor@architektur.uni-kassel.de (nextmail) Phone : +49 561 804 3506 Fax +49 561 804 3775
From: thor@zems.fer.hr (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Compile problems (pgp 2.6.3i) Date: 8 Jul 1996 17:53:55 GMT Organization: RITEH Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rrhvj$6fr@bagan.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I recently downloaded pgp 2.6.3i and found predefined definitions for next, next-inte, next486 and nextHP in the makefile. However, when I make I get an error: pgp.c: In function `ParseRecipients': pgp.c:2922: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast and in linking I get an exit because of undefined symbol: ld: Undefined symbols: _strdup *** Exit 1 Not being a programming genius (not even a programmer :-) I'm not sure where I should be lloking to fix this. I seem to recall a similar problem last time I compiled some generic Unix code which I managed to solve, but I don't remember how.... NeXTSTEP fIP 3.3, Developer 3.2. Regards, Thor Legvold presently in exile in Croatia -- Thor Legvold "Where I'm from is not nearly as relevant as where I've been" -me
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ThoughtTreasure - understand, learn from, and communicate in natural language Date: 8 Jul 1996 19:52:47 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <4rrouf$ml4@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> I just want to bring to your attention that this AI program will now compile and run on NS3.3: ThoughtTreasure Version .00013 The program currently has a very rudimentary ability to carry on conversations , understand stories , extract data from Usenet articles and tables , and simulate the human universe . (See the complete list of ThoughtTreasure applications and types of learning .) For more information & source: http://www.panix.com/~erik/tt/html/tt.html -- Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] -- Home Page http://hades.tue.schwaben.de/~frank NeXTSTEP, Linux & PostScript Guy "In cantonese C++ is called C ga ga"
From: hal@sims.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e problems / TeTeX Date: 8 Jul 1996 20:38:32 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rrrk8$23n@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <31E00D91.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> In article <31E00D91.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> writes: > I have absolutely not problems with this installation of Latex2e. The > NeXT behaves just as any other unix maschine. Thanks to Gregor TexView > work perfectly (for me). Everything works well for me except for the times.sty and palatino.sty style files in LaTeX. The ligatures (e.g., ff) don't print. The ligatures in the PostScript fonts print fine in plain TeX. Anyone have any ideas abou how to fix this? -- Hal Varian, Dean voice: 510-642-9980 SIMS, 102 South Hall fax: 510-642-5814 University of California hal@sims.berkeley.edu Berkeley, CA 94720-4600 http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~hal
From: Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GNUstep icons Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:38:06 -0700 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960708133119.12765A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A month or two ago someone posted the URL of a site that showed off his/her [excellent] example icons for the GNUstep project. Very non-Keith-Ohlfs-ish, but quite nicely done. I had a suggestion to make regarding one of those icons, but now I can't find any refernce to that page on GNUstep or through any search engine -- and I can't find the thread that talked about it in the first place. Any ideas? -Dayne Miller dayne@wolfenet.com
From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: US Robotics Sportster Modem and NXFax Date: 9 Jul 1996 00:09:37 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <4rs801$iq7@dropit.pgh.net> My local IPS uses US Robotics Sportster Modems that can run as fast as 33.6K b/s. I can get one for a fairly decent price and I would like to know if this modem is supported by NXFax or if there is any other FAX software for the NeXT that supports it. ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE]
From: root@phx-dial76.goodnet.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: system panics with GateKeeper 1.0a and ppp-2.2.0.4.6 Date: 9 Jul 1996 01:27:34 GMT Organization: GoodNet Message-ID: <4rsci6$dl2@news1.goodnet.com> Greetings, I have been trying, with no success, to implement GateKeeper 1.0a on a NS 3.3 Intel P90. I have a USR 28.8 internal modem. Currently I am able to run ppp-2.2.0.4.6 with no problems, simply using a pppup script. However when I try to implement Gatekeeper 1.0a I have no success, and occassionally have system panics when trying to start GateKeeper. I have provded some information from various files and would like to know if anyone might be able to shed some light on the reason why I cannot implement GateKeeper 1.0a. Here is the /usr/local/ppp/scripts/pppup file: ----------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh # -*- Fundamental -*- # PATH=/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/local/bin; export PATH # # kdebug 1 is SC_DEBUG # 2 is SC_LOG_INPKT # 4 is SC_LOG_OUTPKT # 8 is SC_LOG_RAWIN # 16 is SC_LOG_FLUSH # # add together to get debugging you want # Remember: for HW flow control you must you /dev/cufa or /dev/cufb # exec /usr/local/bin/pppd mru 2048 mtu 2048 ipcp-restart 2 lcp-echo-interval 11 debug crtscts kdebug 17 defaultroute modem connect '/usr/local/bin/chat -v ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "NO DIAL TONE" ABORT "ERROR" ABORT "CARRIER 2400" "" AT "OK" ATZ0 OK "ATDT,3039501" CONNECT "" ogin: Pxxxxx assword: xxxxx PPP ' /dev/cufa 57600 lock ----------------------------------------------------- Here is a copy of the Link Options file and the /usr/local/ppp/etc/options file: ----------------------------------------------------- # # This is an example options file. The options file # should be placed in /etc/ppp/options. These options # are global to all ppp connections. See the "OPTIONS FILES" section # in the pppd man page for more details. # # /dev/cufb 57600 # Options specified here don't need to be respecified # on the pppd command line. Note: Most of the example # scripts in this directory assume an empty options file. # However, it doesn't hurt to respecify them. # # The size of the Maximum Transfer Unit. Higher values # give better performance for file transfers. Lower values # give better performance for interactive performance. # mtu 296 mru 296 # # If you want to periodically touch the other end to make # sure it is still alive, set these options. # lcp-echo-interval 15 # interval in seconds between touches lcp-echo-failure 10 # number of failed attempts before link shutdown # # If you want to enable debugging of the pppd process, leave # this uncommented. Output will be sent to the file # /usr/adm/ppp2.2.debug (or whatever you set it to in # /etc/syslog.conf. # debug # # If you want kernel debugging (i.e. debug output from the # NeXT LKS), enable this: # # kdebug 1 is SC_DEBUG # 2 is SC_LOG_INPKT # 4 is SC_LOG_OUTPKT # 8 is SC_LOG_RAWIN # 16 is SC_LOG_FLUSH # # add together to get debugging you want. # kdebug 17 # # This specifies that should use a UUCP-style lock on the # serial device to ensure exclusive access to the device. # lock # # bsdcomp nr,nt # # Request that the peer compress packets that it sends, # using the BSD-Compress scheme, with a maximum code size # of nr bits, and agree to compress packets sent to the # peer with a maximum code size of nt bits. If nt is not # specified, it defaults to the value given for nr. # Values in the range 9 to 15 may be used for nr and nt; # larger values give better compression but consume more # kernel memory for compression dictionaries. Alterna- # tively, a value of 0 for nr or nt disables compression # in the corresponding direction. # # It is OK if the peer doesn't support BSD compression. In that # case, the peer will NAK this option and things will continue # normally. # bsdcomp 10,10 # # In case we lose packets # ipcp-restart 2 ----------------------------------------------------- Here is a copy of the modeInitialize file: ----------------------------------------------------- EXPECT connect; SEND AT; EXPECT OK; SEND ATDT; EXPECT OK; SEND AT M1; EXPECT OK; ----------------------------------------------------- Here is a copy of the /etc/remote file: ----------------------------------------------------- BASIC|Basic setup:\ :el=^C^S^Q^U^D:ie=%$:oe=^D: # a9600|cua9600|Dial-out on cua at 9600 baud:\ :dv=/dev/cua:br#9600:tc=BASIC: b9600|cub9600|Dial-out on cub at 9600 baud:\ :dv=/dev/cub:br#9600:tc=BASIC: fa9600|cufa9600|Dial-out on cufa at 9600 baud:\ :dv=/dev/cufa:br#9600:tc=BASIC: fb9600|cufb9600|Dial-out on cufb at 9600 baud:\ :dv=/dev/cufb:br#9600:tc=BASIC: ttya9600|Hardwire on ttya at 9600 baud:\ :dv=/dev/ttya:br#9600:tc=BASIC: ttyb9600|Hardwire on ttyb at 9600 baud:\ :dv=/dev/ttyb:br#9600:tc=BASIC: # # dial out on cufb with DCE of 28.8k and DTE of 38.4k # b288|cufb28800|Dial-out on cufb at 28800 baud:\ :dv=/dev/cufb:pa=none:br#38400:tc=BASIC: # # General dialer definitions used below # dial1200|1200 Baud Hayes attributes:\ :dv=/dev/cua:br#1200:at=hayes:du: dial300|300 Hayes attributes:\ :dv=/dev/cua:br#300:at=hayes:du: # # UNIX system definitions # UNIX-1200|1200 Baud dial-out to another UNIX system:\ :el=^U^C^R^O^D^S^Q@:ie=#%$:oe=^D:tc=dial1200: UNIX-300|300 Baud dial-out to another UNIX system:\ :el=^U^C^R^O^D^S^Q@:ie=#%$:oe=^D:tc=dial300: # tip0|tip1200:tc=UNIX-1200: tip300:tc=UNIX-300: cu0|cu300:tc=UNIX-300: cu1200:tc=UNIX-1200: dialer:dv=/dev/cua:br#1200: #-------------------------------------------------------------------- #The attributes are: # #dv device to use for the tty #el EOL marks (default is NULL) #du make a call flag (dial up) #pn phone numbers (@ =>'s search phones file; possibly taken from # PHONES environment variable) #at ACU type (vadic, ventel, hayes, courier) #ie input EOF marks (default is NULL) #oe output EOF string (default is NULL) #cu call unit (default is dv) #br baud rate (defaults to 300) #fs frame size (default is BUFSIZ) -- used in buffering writes # on receive operations #tc to continue a capability ----------------------------------------------------- Finally, here is a log of the /usr/adm/messages file: ----------------------------------------------------- Jul 8 04:08:28 phx-dial76 loginwindow[209]: Workspace exited (ts 0 cd 0 rc 0 sv 0 ss 0). Jul 8 04:08:30 phx-dial76 loginwindow[209]: creating new loginImage Jul 8 04:08:34 phx-dial76 reboot: rebooted by root Jul 8 04:08:36 phx-dial76 syslogd: going down on signal 15 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: NeXT Mach 3.3: Mon Oct 24 13:31:49 PDT 1994; root(rcbuilder):mk-171.9.obj~2/RC_i386/RELEASE_I386 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: physical memory = 32.00 megabytes. Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: using 81 buffers containing 0.63 megabytes of memory Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: available memory = 28.76 megabytes. vm_page_free_count = e62 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: ISA/EISA bus support enabled Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: ISA bus Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: PCI Ver=2.00 BusCount=1 Features=[ BIOS16 CM1 SC1 ] Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x04061039 at Dev=0 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x00081039 at Dev=1 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x88d05333 at Dev=10 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x71789004 at Dev=11 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x06401095 at Dev=13 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: PCI bus Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: DriverKit version 330 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Adaptec 2940 Host Adapter found at Bus 0 Device 11 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Resetting SCSI Bus... Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: a2940_0 at 0xe800 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sc0 at a2940_0 SCSI Bus 0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: SEAGATE ST31230N 0290 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd0 at Target 0 LUN 0 at sc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd0a Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: Device Capacity: 1010 MB Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: Disk Label: Disk Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd1: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:500 2.5 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd1 at Target 2 LUN 0 at sc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd1a Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd1: Waiting for drive to come ready.............. Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: sd1: Disk Not Ready Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg0 at sc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg1 at sc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg2 at sc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg3 at sc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: fc0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: fd0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: fd0a Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: PS2Controller Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: PCKeyboard0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: PCI bus support enabled Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: PCI0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: EISA0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: event0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: kmDevice0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: rootdev 600, howto 0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Bus mouse running Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: BusMouse Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: pp0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Display0: vendorID=5333 deviceID=88d0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Display0: physicalAddress = fb000000 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Display0: installedVRAMBytes = 400000 (4MB) Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Display: Mode selected: 1280 x 1024 @ 75 Hz (RGB:555/16) Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: Display0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Mux0: probe for Serial Port Hardware irq 4: Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: 0x3f8: 16550 Buffered RTS 1664<2995<3328 CTS Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: Mux0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Mux1: probe for Serial Port Hardware irq 3: Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: 0x2f8: 16550 Buffered RTS 1664<2995<3328 CTS Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: Mux1 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: SoundBlaster16 at dma channels 1 and 5 irq 10 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: SoundBlaster16 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: en0 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: en0: Unsupported i82595 stepping (3). Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: Intel EtherExpress PRO /10 at port 0x300 irq 11 Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: IP protocol enabled for interface en0, type "10MB Ethernet" Jul 8 04:10:20 phx-dial76 mach: en0: Ethernet address 00:aa:00:a5:d4:64 Jul 8 04:10:25 phx-dial76 inetd[154]: pop3/tcp: unknown service Jul 8 04:10:28 phx-dial76 mach: BPF version 1.1 NS 3.2 and 3.3 Jul 8 04:10:28 phx-dial76 mach: LKS: $Revision: 4.2 $ ($Date: 1995/07/03 18:26:45 $) Jul 8 04:10:28 phx-dial76 mach: Using Major device 32 Jul 8 04:10:28 phx-dial76 mach: by Stephen Perkins <perkins@cps.msu.edu> Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: PPP version 2.2 released for NS 3.2 and 3.3 Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: LKS: $Revision: 4.14 $ ($Date: 1995/11/30 01:45:58 $) Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: by Stephen Perkins, Philip Prindeville, and Pete French Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: Installing PPP on Line Discipline 5 Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: Installing interfaces: Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: Initializing ppp0 Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: ppp0 successfully attached. Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: bpf: ppp0 attached. Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: Initializing ppp1 Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: ppp1 successfully attached. Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: bpf: ppp1 attached. Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: PPP-2.2 Successfully Installed. Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 mach: Jul 8 04:10:29 phx-dial76 reboot: Reboot complete Jul 8 04:10:39 phx-dial76 loginwindow[205]: Checking for DOS partitioned disk Jul 8 04:10:48 phx-dial76 loginwindow[209]: running /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/Workspace Jul 8 04:10:48 phx-dial76 Workspace[209]: logged in Jul 8 04:12:39 phx-dial76 pppd[279]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:39 phx-dial76 pppd[279]: read(fd): Bad file number Jul 8 04:12:39 phx-dial76 pppd[279]: ioctl(disestablish TIOCSETD): Bad file number Jul 8 04:12:40 phx-dial76 pppd[281]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:40 phx-dial76 pppd[281]: tcsetattr: Interrupted system call Jul 8 04:12:40 phx-dial76 pppd[283]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:41 phx-dial76 pppd[287]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:41 phx-dial76 pppd[291]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:42 phx-dial76 pppd[295]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:42 phx-dial76 pppd[299]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:43 phx-dial76 pppd[303]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:44 phx-dial76 pppd[307]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:44 phx-dial76 pppd[311]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:45 phx-dial76 pppd[315]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:46 phx-dial76 pppd[323]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:12:47 phx-dial76 pppd[327]: ioctl: TIOCMBIS/BIC: Inappropriate ioctl for device Jul 8 04:25:43 phx-dial76 mach: Mux: 7e1 giving up on flush: , transmit-buffer Jul 8 04:31:16 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 04:31:19 phx-dial76 PopOver[476]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 04:31:19 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 04:31:39 phx-dial76 PopOver[494]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 04:32:20 phx-dial76 mach: Mux: 7e1 giving up on flush: , transmit-buffer Jul 8 04:36:26 phx-dial76 mach: Mux: 7e1 giving up on flush: , transmit-buffer Jul 8 04:37:09 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 04:37:12 phx-dial76 PopOver[579]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 04:37:13 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 04:37:19 phx-dial76 routed[107]: re-installing interface ppp0 Jul 8 05:14:51 phx-dial76 PopOver[598]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 05:16:15 phx-dial76 mach: Mux: 7e1 giving up on flush: , transmit-buffer Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: NeXT Mach 3.3: Mon Oct 24 13:31:49 PDT 1994; root(rcbuilder):mk-171.9.obj~2/RC_i386/RELEASE_I386 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: physical memory = 32.00 megabytes. Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: using 81 buffers containing 0.63 megabytes of memory Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: available memory = 28.76 megabytes. vm_page_free_count = e62 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: ISA/EISA bus support enabled Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: ISA bus Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: PCI Ver=2.00 BusCount=1 Features=[ BIOS16 CM1 SC1 ] Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x04061039 at Dev=0 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x00081039 at Dev=1 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x88d05333 at Dev=10 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x71789004 at Dev=11 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Found PCI device: ID=0x06401095 at Dev=13 Func=0 Bus=0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: PCI bus Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: DriverKit version 330 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Adaptec 2940 Host Adapter found at Bus 0 Device 11 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Resetting SCSI Bus... Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: a2940_0 at 0xe800 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sc0 at a2940_0 SCSI Bus 0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: SEAGATE ST31230N 0290 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd0 at Target 0 LUN 0 at sc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd0a Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: Device Capacity: 1010 MB Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd0: Disk Label: Disk Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd1: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:500 2.5 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd1 at Target 2 LUN 0 at sc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sd1a Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd1: Waiting for drive to come ready.............. Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: sd1: Disk Not Ready Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg0 at sc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg1 at sc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg2 at sc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: sg3 at sc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: fc0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: fd0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: fd0a Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: PS2Controller Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: PCKeyboard0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: PCI bus support enabled Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: PCI0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: EISA0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: event0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: kmDevice0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: rootdev 600, howto 0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Bus mouse running Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: BusMouse Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: pp0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Display0: vendorID=5333 deviceID=88d0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Display0: physicalAddress = fb000000 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Display0: installedVRAMBytes = 400000 (4MB) Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Display: Mode selected: 1280 x 1024 @ 75 Hz (RGB:555/16) Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: Display0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Mux0: probe for Serial Port Hardware irq 4: Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: 0x3f8: 16550 Buffered RTS 1664<2995<3328 CTS Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: Mux0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Mux1: probe for Serial Port Hardware irq 3: Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: 0x2f8: 16550 Buffered RTS 1664<2995<3328 CTS Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: Mux1 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: SoundBlaster16 at dma channels 1 and 5 irq 10 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: SoundBlaster16 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Registering: en0 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: en0: Unsupported i82595 stepping (3). Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: Intel EtherExpress PRO /10 at port 0x300 irq 11 Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: IP protocol enabled for interface en0, type "10MB Ethernet" Jul 8 05:26:09 phx-dial76 mach: en0: Ethernet address 00:aa:00:a5:d4:64 Jul 8 05:26:10 phx-dial76 netinfod[114]: checking NetInfo database network.nidb Jul 8 05:26:10 phx-dial76 netinfod[113]: checking NetInfo database local.nidb Jul 8 05:26:15 phx-dial76 inetd[155]: pop3/tcp: unknown service Jul 8 05:26:17 phx-dial76 mach: BPF version 1.1 NS 3.2 and 3.3 Jul 8 05:26:17 phx-dial76 mach: LKS: $Revision: 4.2 $ ($Date: 1995/07/03 18:26:45 $) Jul 8 05:26:17 phx-dial76 mach: Using Major device 32 Jul 8 05:26:17 phx-dial76 mach: by Stephen Perkins <perkins@cps.msu.edu> Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: PPP version 2.2 released for NS 3.2 and 3.3 Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: LKS: $Revision: 4.14 $ ($Date: 1995/11/30 01:45:58 $) Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: by Stephen Perkins, Philip Prindeville, and Pete French Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: Installing PPP on Line Discipline 5 Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: Installing interfaces: Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: Initializing ppp0 Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: ppp0 successfully attached. Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: bpf: ppp0 attached. Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: Initializing ppp1 Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: ppp1 successfully attached. Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: bpf: ppp1 attached. Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: PPP-2.2 Successfully Installed. Jul 8 05:26:18 phx-dial76 mach: Jul 8 05:26:19 phx-dial76 reboot: Reboot complete Jul 8 05:26:28 phx-dial76 loginwindow[206]: Checking for DOS partitioned disk Jul 8 05:26:33 phx-dial76 loginwindow[210]: running /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/Workspace Jul 8 05:26:33 phx-dial76 Workspace[210]: logged in Jul 8 05:28:25 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 05:28:30 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 05:28:30 phx-dial76 PopOver[251]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 05:42:36 phx-dial76 mach: ppp0: garbage received: 0x0d (need 0xff) Jul 8 05:42:37 phx-dial76 mach: ppp0 input: Jul 8 05:42:37 phx-dial76 mach: 0d 0a 4e 4f 20 43 41 52 52 49 45 52 0d 0a Jul 8 05:42:38 phx-dial76 PopOver[270]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 05:43:15 phx-dial76 mach: Mux: 7e1 giving up on flush: , transmit-buffer Jul 8 05:43:43 phx-dial76 pppd[298]: Connect script failed Jul 8 05:45:45 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 05:45:51 phx-dial76 PopOver[339]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 05:45:51 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 05:46:09 phx-dial76 routed[108]: re-installing interface ppp0 Jul 8 06:11:20 phx-dial76 PopOver[358]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 06:11:21 phx-dial76 mach: ppp0: garbage received: 0x0d (need 0xff) Jul 8 06:11:22 phx-dial76 mach: ppp0 input: Jul 8 06:11:22 phx-dial76 mach: 0d 0a 4e 4f 20 43 41 52 52 49 45 52 0d 0a Jul 8 06:12:57 phx-dial76 pppd[395]: Connect script failed Jul 8 06:13:52 phx-dial76 pppd[399]: Connect script failed Jul 8 06:16:20 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 06:16:23 phx-dial76 PopOver[414]: Received terminate signal Jul 8 06:16:24 phx-dial76 netmsgserver[22]: network_init Jul 8 06:17:09 phx-dial76 routed[108]: re-installing interface ppp0 Thanks in advance, -ter
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 3.3 Drivers on 4.0? Date: 8 Jul 1996 18:51:12 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4rrlb0$8m5@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1996Jul6.183249.82400@cc.usu.edu> hcole@spanky.idec.sdl.usu.edu (Howard R. Cole) wrote: > Do 3.3 device drivers work with OS 4.0? > I suspect they must, since I've not heard any > rumblings about having to get new ones. From what I've heard, all 3.3 drivers will work under 4.0. I believe it's also true that there are some new drivers for NS-4.0, which may or may not work under NS-3.3. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: system panics with GateKeeper 1.0a and ppp-2.2.0.4.6 Date: 9 Jul 1996 02:21:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <4rsfmn$5s3@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <4rsci6$dl2@news1.goodnet.com> Your problem is that you are exec'ing pppd in your pppup script: (exec /usr/local/bin/pppd). GateKeeper already does this. Read the online help and use the examples provided in preferences. To all those Beta testing GateKeeper 2.0, I've posted the second Beta to the archives. GateKeeper 2.0 Beta 2 includes two new features that arose out of late comments. If enabled GateKeeper now redials if pppd drops the link because of LCP echo failure. GateKeeper now checks /usr/spool/mqueue for mail whenever the user moves the cursor over the toolbar or if inactivity timeout is imminent. If mail is in the queue an icon will appear. This helps avoid a later dial on demand session initiated by sendmail. In article <4rsci6$dl2@news1.goodnet.com> root@phx-dial76.goodnet.com (Operator) writes: >Greetings, > >I have been trying, with no success, to implement GateKeeper 1.0a >on a NS 3.3 Intel P90. I have a USR 28.8 internal modem. Currently >I am able to run ppp-2.2.0.4.6 with no problems, simply using a pppup >script. However when I try to implement Gatekeeper 1.0a I have no >success, and occassionally have system panics when trying to start >GateKeeper. I have provded some information from various files and >would like to know if anyone might be able to shed some light on the >reason why I cannot implement GateKeeper 1.0a. > >Here is the /usr/local/ppp/scripts/pppup file: >----------------------------------------------------- >#!/bin/sh ># -*- Fundamental -*- ># >PATH=/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/local/bin; export PATH > ># ># kdebug 1 is SC_DEBUG ># 2 is SC_LOG_INPKT ># 4 is SC_LOG_OUTPKT ># 8 is SC_LOG_RAWIN ># 16 is SC_LOG_FLUSH ># ># add together to get debugging you want ># Remember: for HW flow control you must you /dev/cufa or /dev/cufb ># >exec /usr/local/bin/pppd mru 2048 mtu 2048 ipcp-restart 2 lcp-echo-interval >11 debug crtscts kdebug 17 defaultroute modem connect '/usr/local/bin/chat -v >ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "NO DIAL TONE" ABORT "ERROR" ABORT >"CARRIER 2400" "" AT "OK" ATZ0 OK "ATDT,3039501" CONNECT "" ogin: Pxxxxx >assword: xxxxx PPP ' /dev/cufa 57600 lock snip > > >Thanks in advance, > >-ter -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: mow@navigator.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS 4.0 Screen shots anyone? Date: 8 Jul 1996 22:47:59 GMT Organization: Navigator Message-ID: <4rs36v$74j@marsu.navigator.schwaben.com> References: <01bb6cb1.1dc0b3c0$461543a4@everblue> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: everblue@ucla.edu In <01bb6cb1.1dc0b3c0$461543a4@everblue> "Lullaby" wrote: > Not the one from Peanuts archive--no artist's renditions, please. If > anyone has the ACTUAL screenshots of NS 4.0 for Mach, please post it or > mail it to me! Look at 3.3 ... -- Navigator Markus Wenzel info@navigator.de IT Consulting & System Administration http://www.neworbit.de/navigator/
From: scratch@tiros.sce.carleton.ca (Craig Scratchley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: gcc-2.7.2 on NS3.3-Sparcstation 5? Date: 9 Jul 96 02:13:24 GMT Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Message-ID: <scratch.836878404@tiros.sce.carleton.ca> References: <4r78o4$h63@news.mty.itesm.mx> <4rls6f$85j@duck.inetnebr.com> <slrn4tv3ap.k0f.ifeulner@xenon.stgt.sub.org> ifeulner@xenon.cube.de (Ingo Feulner) writes: >On 6 Jul 1996 14:11:27 GMT, Jeremy Bettis <jeremy@inetnebr.com> wrote: >>The prerelease does not. I suspect that the final release won't either. >You're right. Strange, someone sent me an e-mail saying that OpenStep uses 2.7.2. Can anybody confirm this, or report which version exactly OpenStep uses. I think that at least OpenStep/NT uses a fairly recent version. Craig -- W. Craig Scratchley | internet: scratch@sce.carleton.ca Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering | phone: (613) 520-5740 (Dept.) Carleton University | (613) 241-6952 (Home) Ottawa, ON, CANADA K1S 5B6 | fax: (613) 520-5727 (Dept.)
From: vladk@escape.com (Vladimir Knajtner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: alby-ppp permissions/ownership problem Date: 9 Jul 1996 06:04:20 GMT Organization: Cloud 9 Internet, White Plains, NY, USA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4rssp4$78t@news.cloud9.net> Keywords: ppp, next I compiled and installed alby-ppp long time ago and it has been working fine with some minor modification of the launching scripts. The only problem I've been having is that alby-ppp runs only if I kick it off as root, otherwise I get message: ppp: ioctl(SIOCSIFFLAGS): Not owner which indicates that there is an ownership/permission problem. Changing the ownership of ppp* to uucp.daemon didn't help. I've got PPPMeter source the other day and compiled it so it works under NS3.0 on my machine, but now I wanna run the front end as myself ( != root ). I still have alby-ppp sources, but i'll dive into it only if I have to. So, please help. Vlad %]
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19960709.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19960709.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19960702.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 09 Jul 1996 00:00:00 -0600 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: weekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. (The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ has been submitted for news.answers approval, and is waiting for same from the news.answers volunteer team.) Many FAQs can be obtained from news.answers archives: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ is posted twice monthly, with a long expiry time. If it has somehow expired on your site, you can search Usenet archives on the World Wide Web using these site (and others) http://altavista.digital.com http://www.dejanews.com search for comp.apps.spreadsheets and FAQ.
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GateKeeper 2.0 Beta 2 -- m68k compiled pkg? Date: 9 Jul 1996 06:58:16 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-j-19.usc.edu Message-ID: <4rsvu8$saj@usc.edu> GateKeeper 2.0 Beta 2 -- m68k compiled pkg? Does anyone have this compiled under NS3.3 m68k who'd be willing to NeXTMail it to me? TIA -- Be well, Matthew Reichman reichman@usc.edu USC-CNTV NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k NeXTMAIL & MIME welcome =============================================================== PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" --------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: Constantin Szallies <szallies@energotec.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: upsdeamon question Date: 9 Jul 1996 08:03:40 GMT Organization: Tech Net GmbH Message-ID: <4rt3os$9gb@ddfservb.technet.net> I'm just looking for some UPS (uninteruptable power supply) software for NS3.3 Intel. On the peanuts archive, I found a program called "upsdeamon". Here's a part of the README file: The UPS monitor daemon or "upsd" watches the serial port connected to an UPS and will perform an unattended shutdown of the system if the UPS is on battery longer than a specified number of minutes. Upsd needs to watch a tty with modem control properties, and expects the UPS to raise DCD when it switches to battery backup and drop DCD when it goes back to online. So far so good. But what means "raise DCD"? Does anyone know which pins on the 9-pin serial port I have to connect to raise DCD?? Thanx in advance... -- Constantin Szallies, Energotec GmbH szallies@energotec.de 49211-9144012
From: sun@unity.ncsu.edu (Ying-hsuan Sun) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: question about PPP in 4.0 Date: 8 Jul 1996 13:49:17 GMT Organization: North Carolina State University Message-ID: <4rr3kt$nea@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Anyone has the 4.0 runing on black machine please introduce briefly abou the new PPP module? Is it a full ppp package (server? client? frontend ...etc?). Does it support TTYDSP? Ying-Hsuan Sun
From: Jean-Philippe Viegas <viegas@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OmniWeb ? Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 10:50:17 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Alsthom Recherche, Marcoussis, France Message-ID: <31E21D49.41C67EA6@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I downloaded OmniWeb, the web browser for NextStep, but I don't know how to make it work. My Nextstep works on a pentium machine and there are the main caracteristics of the network : It's an Unix network and the access to outside is provided by a proxyhost installed on a firewall machine named...proxyhost. The communications happen through the port number XXXX. I tried to put all those informations on the proxy preferences but the answer of the browser is : temporarily unable to connect : network is unreachable. In the preferences there are the cookies preferences, what is that? I can't enter a server name... Help would be greatly appreciated THANKS -- ------------------------------------------------------ Jean Philippe VIEGAS alcatel alsthom recherche viegas@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr ------------------------------------------------------
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 9 Jul 1996 12:33:49 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> halpin@codem.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > So little its disturbing.. All Ive seen so far indicates that its > the same old same old with a different API. With OpenStep But this (for some of us) basically what we want. All I require from 4.0 is the ability to make some changes to my code and then be able to run the applications under NT. OpenStep for me is about solving the problem that convincing people run your app means convincing them to run NS. If I can develop under NS and then give out copies to people tun run under NT then life is a lot more rosy and the future of the project a lot more secure. I'd much rather that Next put time and effort into making sure that OpenStep is bug free and workable than if they'd diverted the effort into more bells and whistles for the OS. -bat.
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: question about PPP in 4.0 Date: 9 Jul 1996 15:26:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rttnq$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <4rr3kt$nea@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> sun@unity.ncsu.edu (Ying-hsuan Sun) wrote: > Anyone has the 4.0 runing on black machine please introduce briefly abou the > new PPP module? Is it a full ppp package (server? client? frontend > ...etc?). Does it support TTYDSP? It's the same PPP ported to NS by Stephen Perkins. NeXT has merely built and included it with OS. No new front-ends or support for TTYDSP were added. The good news is that I was able to have PPP up and running under OS by merely moving my 3.3 PPP files and PPPMeter to OS. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442 the OS. This is unfortunately what those of us who have been trying to sell a NEXTSTEP solution have faced. Few potential customers want to introduce NS to their company because they've either never heard of NeXT, they think NeXT is no longer in business, or they think NeXT is on the brink of failure. Or their IS department doesn't want to learn about and administer another operating system. And "no one was ever fired for buying a Windows solution", to paraphrase an old IBM adage. So enhancements to NS might be nice and exciting for us, but potential customers couldn't care less. The capability of NS has never been an issue; in fact, those few who are familiar with NS recognize that in many ways, it's a very nice operating environment. But if we can continue using our NS development skills to produce NT apps, then we have a much better opportunity to sell what we produce and we can still continue enjoying our development experience :-) So OpenStep/NT is a big deal even though it's really not a technical advance but more of a lateral movement - not the sort of progress we've become accustomed to. I have grave concerns about OpenStep/NT, however. Anyone who tries to compete with MS will never be allowed to succeed because MS controls NT. MS development tools programmers have access to information not available to the competition. If OpenStep/NT were to threaten Visual C++, Visual Basic, and eventually the Cairo development environment, MS will do what's necessary to impede OpenStep. Oh, well, that's life with the devil... -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: tjallen@theory1.physics.wisc.edu (Theodore J. Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNUstep icons Date: 9 Jul 1996 15:30:25 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <4rttuh$1c0o@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960708133119.12765A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> The relevant URL is http://www.iconz.co.nz/~iapl/gnustep_apps/ For those who haven't looked at the site lately, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the truly excellent work appearing there now. Andrew Lindesay (apl@kcbbs.gen.nz) has put a good deal of work into his project and it shows. -- Ted Allen, Ph.D. High Energy Physics University of Wisconsin-Madison tjallen@wishep.physics.wisc.edu http://theory2.physics.wisc.edu/~tjallen/
From: stephen@ccc1.tamu.edu (Stephen Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: undefined type, found `NSCalendarDate' error Date: 9 Jul 1996 18:11:14 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <4ru7c2$fgm@news.tamu.edu> I'm trying to build a project in ProjectBuilder on NSFIP 3.3 and I get the following error in the ProjectBuilder detail window: cc -g -Wall -pipe -I/usr/local/Minerva/include -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I./sym -c MiniSQLAdaptor.m -o ./i386_obj/MiniSQLAdaptor.o /NextDeveloper/Headers/eoaccess/EOAdaptorChannel.h:198: undefined type, found `NSCalendarDate' *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. NSCalendarDate is defined in NSDate.h, which is located at: /usr/include/NSDate.h and linked to the following: /usr/include/foundation/NSDate.h /NextDeveloper/Headers/foundation/NSDate.h Any ideas as to how to fix this problem? Stephen Johnson, sjohnson@myriad.net Computer Consulting Int'l, LTD PO Box 1046 College Station, TX 77841 409-696-9463
From: katz@cs.millersv.edu (Beth Katz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Date: 9 Jul 1996 20:09:54 GMT Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania Message-ID: <4rueai$ds@jake.esu.edu> References: <Du6wyE.4zw@euler.han.de> Juergen Sell (js@euler.han.de) wrote: > Hi, > I cannot believe this: > I just tried to create a document sized 80x60 cm (roughly A1). > Print Panel's Preview launches Preview but then Preview.app always gives me > what looks like a piece of size A4 from bottom right corner of my document. > No chance to get at the rest! > Now where is the rest of my document? > Would it print all right? > How could I preview it if Preview.app cannot? > It is most definitely not the compositing app - I tried Diagram.app, > PasteUp.app, - always the same result. > The largest document size that seems to work is A3? > please tell it is just me and there is a natural Nextish way to do it. Well, I thought I had seen bigger windows in Preview.app. If I create the PostScript myself (as in using Yap.app), I can create bigger pages. The file I'm currently viewing has the code (it's short): ---------- snip here -------- %!PS-Adobe-2.0 %%Title: Outline alphabet %%Creator: Beth Katz %%CreationDate: Sat 11 Feb 1995 %%Pages: 0 1 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 800 1000 %%DocumentFonts: Times-Bold %%EndComments 90 rotate /fontsize 180 def /linesize fontsize 1 mul def /Times-Roman fontsize selectfont 0 setgray 2 setlinewidth 20 linesize neg translate /doLine { /myText exch def 0 0 moveto myText false charpath stroke 0 linesize neg translate } def ( A B C D) doLine (E F G H I) doLine ( J K L M) doLine --------- snip here ---------- Printing it gives me four pages that could be glued together to give the whole picture. If bigger pages went through the printer (and I set the default page size with a dwrite?), it would probably work. But if I try to create a big page in PasteUp, I get only 8.5x11inches in Preview.app. Saving the PostScript file and modifying the bounding box didn't help. I tried the same thing with WetPaint. Only the standard page. It seems to me that Preview.app is able to do bigger pages but that if you use an app that uses the NeXT printing package (a very reasonable thing to do), you get a preview trimmed to your biggest paper size. Have you tried changing the default paper size? (There was a message and reply about this in this group. I just tried: dwrite -g NXPaperType Tabloid with no effect on Preview.) I'm posting this as an existence proof, but I guess I don't have an answer. Beth Katz katz@cs.millersv.edu
From: tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 09 Jul 1996 22:25:06 +0200 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Sender: tiggr@tom.es.ele.tue.nl Message-ID: <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <4rtth0$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: aisbell@ix.netcom.com's message of 9 Jul 1996 15:23:12 GMT In article <4rtth0$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: And "no one was ever fired for buying a Windows solution", to paraphrase an old IBM adage. Was anybody ever fired for buying a NeXT solution? --Tiggr
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenWrite and Diagram! Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 04:00:48 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960710035312.21714A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Lighthouse fans, I was just creating some larger book document and tried including some graphics. I thought: well let's include some Diagram! graphics. The result: I wasn't able to do it. There are some questions I have concerning links to foreign programs: - What is the obscure ObjecLinks button in the Toolbox good for? There is no online help about this! What are link libraries_ How do I use them? - The online help shows up Diagram! as an external application for *.diagram files in the Graphics Inspector. How do I get Diagram! noticed by OpenWrite? Or, how do I register .diagram extensions with the Diagram! application? - How do I specify the default application for embedded graphics? E.g. importing EPS files works flawlessly. Selecting the Edit button on an EPS graphics, launches WetPaint! Where doese this information come from? Any help, expecially on importing *.diagram files, would be very much appreciated! Thanks in advance, Boerny. -- Bernhard Scholz (IRC: Boerny) scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de http://peanuts.leo.org/ http://www.leo.org/~scholz/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GNUstep icons From: apl@kcbbs.gen.nz (Andrew Lindesay) Date: 9 Jul 96 23:13:06 GMT Message-ID: <17496190.83586.23224@kcbbs.gen.nz> References: <4rttuh$1c0o@news.doit.wisc.edu> Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand > For those who haven't looked at the site lately, you'll be > pleasantly surprised by the truly excellent work appearing > there now. Thank you Ted. If any of you are writing OpenSTEP software for deployment under GNUstep under the GPL, please feel free to contact me with details of your software and I will try to help you with getting it lookin' good with icons and stuff :-) I've given up with N*XTSTEP; N*XT have noved on now and given up the ghost. GNUstep is the future if you want to be a user of OpenSTEP technology without writing MCCAs. Actually I think it will be far more than that, but for now, many of us are looking for another ship to board whilst sticking with OpenSTEP. Andrew (apl@kcbbs.gen.nz).
From: recurve@Glue.umd.edu (Aaron David Rosenzweig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: audio CD player for Sony Date: 9 Jul 1996 15:44:56 GMT Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <4rtupo$2dk@mojo.eng.umd.edu> I have the original 030 Cube and have been using the Apple external single speed drive with things like the Nebula CD without any problem. However when I stick in an audio CD the CD gets spit back out. I heard there are some programs available for NeXTStep that will let you play these CD's but I don't know what they're called. Thanks, --- ____ ___ __----__ _/\ The currently _/^ __ ^\_ /~^_/ | )/^ ^-^ _/ non-bearded _/^ _/^ ^\_ ^\ | ./ /~ /( _/\.Tubist, son of _/^_/^--_ ^\_^\-__-~ _/( \ _/ ./Ginger & Harry ./^_/| \_ ~\ \_^\_ /^ _( ~-_ _/ \./\ _/^_/ \_ ~\ \ ^\__^\../^_/^ )\ ~~~~ _\Aaron Rosenzweig <__/ ~\__\| ^\.__./^ ~---____--~ ~\ http://www.wam.umd.edu/~recurve/ finger recurve@wam.umd.edu to get my PGP key.
From: gvh@digasylum.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 10 Jul 1996 05:24:29 GMT Organization: Digital Asylum Message-ID: <gvh-0907962222510001@emerson.digasylum.com> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <4rtth0$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> In article <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl>, tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) wrote: > Was anybody ever fired for buying a NeXT solution? --Tiggr Yes. ---- Gordon Van Huizen Digital Asylum gvh@digasylum.com [NeXTmail, MIME ok] http://www.digasylum.com
From: american@mail.tds.net (Charles C. Hocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Diagram and Concurrence Wigets Date: 10 Jul 1996 06:00:24 GMT Organization: TDS Telecom - Madison, WI Message-ID: <4rvgto$sth@news2.tds.net> Hello everyone, I am currently doing some work with Lighthouse's Diagram.app and Concurrence.app (great app's) and was wondering if there were any Wigets available. Specifically, I am looking for anything similar to the NeXT type "objects" and "models" that they use in their slides and white papers. I am preparing some slides and such and I would like to maintain some consistency with what NeXT uses. Thanks, Charles -- ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ Charles C. Hocker american@mail.TDS.net ASCII, MIME & NeXTmail american@aztec.asu.edu "Food is Power. We use it to change behavior. Some May Call that Bribery. We Do Not Apologize." Catherine Bertini, executive director, UN World Food Program, Beijing, China, UN 4th World Conference on Women, Sept. 1995. ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ For copy my PGP key, send a message with the subject: Request PGP Key ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘
From: tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 10 Jul 1996 10:35:04 +0200 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Sender: tiggr@tom.es.ele.tue.nl Message-ID: <x7ybksbj5z.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <4rtth0$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <gvh-0907962222510001@emerson.digasylum.com> In-reply-to: gvh@digasylum.com's message of 10 Jul 1996 05:24:29 GMT In article <gvh-0907962222510001@emerson.digasylum.com> gvh@digasylum.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: In article <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl>, tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) wrote: > Was anybody ever fired for buying a NeXT solution? --Tiggr Yes. Details? --Tiggr
From: dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 10 Jul 1996 07:52:36 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <4rvng4$cd@turbocat.snafu.de> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) wrote: > In article <4rtth0$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > > And "no one was ever fired for buying a Windows solution", > to paraphrase an old IBM adage. > > Was anybody ever fired for buying a NeXT solution? --Tiggr Ask some people, who bought expensive HPs to run NS. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.snafu.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 10 Jul 1996 10:34:52 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Message-ID: <4s010c$pjp@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <4rtth0$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <gvh-0907962222510001@emerson.digasylum.com> <x7ybksbj5z.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> Cc: tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl In <x7ybksbj5z.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> Pieter Schoenmakers wrote: > In article <gvh-0907962222510001@emerson.digasylum.com> gvh@digasylum.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: > > In article <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl>, tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter > Schoenmakers) wrote: > > > Was anybody ever fired for buying a NeXT solution? --Tiggr > > Yes. > > Details? --Tiggr I could give some examples, too. But I can't, as it wouldn't be polite to the people involved to cite them here. I assume that Gordon has the same constraints. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: David Grindrod <grindrod@mailhost.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Mosaic 2.6 for NeXT black box Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:05:38 +0200 Organization: EMBL Distribution: world Message-ID: <31E38E82.446B@mailhost.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE> References: <4rgr6s$lej@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Kin Hung Au <kinau@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU> You can try the version in my ftp site: ftp://ftp.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE/pub/next/X11 I think this may be 2.6 and I can not remember if this is one that worked very well. I have compiled 2.7 beta releases with wais support but it is a painful proceedure. You need to change some source code slightly. I gave up trying to port them as Cube-X supply 2.6 with there release 5.0. Ok it does not have wais support included but this is not a problem. Contact me if you want version 2.7 and I will see if I can find the old source code I had compiled. I have compiled a few X windows programs such as mxgdb and xftp (although this has a slight problem reading local directory listings correctly). Perhaps I will make these available aswell. Dave -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David grindrod, NMR System Manager, EMBL Heidelberg. Email: mailto:grindrod@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE HTML Home Page: http://www.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE/grindrod/
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Message-ID: <1996Jul10.141703.46713@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch Date: 10 Jul 96 14:16:57 MET References: <Du6wyE.4zw@euler.han.de> <4rueai$ds@jake.esu.edu> katz@cs.millersv.edu (Beth Katz) wrote: [ ... postscript segment deleted ...] > Printing it gives me four pages that could be glued together to give > the whole picture. If bigger pages went through the printer (and I set > the default page size with a dwrite?), it would probably work. > > But if I try to create a big page in PasteUp, I get only 8.5x11inches in > Preview.app. Saving the PostScript file and modifying the bounding box > didn't help. I tried the same thing with WetPaint. Only the standard page. > > It seems to me that Preview.app is able to do bigger pages but that if > you use an app that uses the NeXT printing package (a very reasonable > thing to do), you get a preview trimmed to your biggest paper size. Have > you tried changing the default paper size? (There was a message and reply > about this in this group. I just tried: dwrite -g NXPaperType Tabloid > with no effect on Preview.) Funny things. I know that it isn't that easy to get TeX to print on larger pages, but applications that use the NEXTSTEP page setup and layout certainly *can* print lager pages. We created out posters using Virtuoso and FrameMaker on pages of 80cmx120cm. Larger pages could be set up, but printing was always incorrect in that it would print only the last 2/3of the page (probably due to wrap-arounds of the integer values!). Both the previewer and the printers (HP-inkjet plotters with PS modules) showed the correct results upto a given size. In all cases, it was necessary to enter the page size in the NEXTSTEP page layout panel before printing/saving. -Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT,MIME mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: katz@cs.millersv.edu (Beth Katz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Date: 10 Jul 1996 13:41:07 GMT Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania Message-ID: <4s0btj$6at@jake.esu.edu> References: <Du6wyE.4zw@euler.han.de> <4rr436$942@shelob.afs.com> Gregory H. Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) wrote: > Juergen Sell writes > > Preview.app always gives me what looks like a piece of size A4 from > > bottom right corner of my document. Where is the rest of my document? > tumbolia, land of characters in books that aren't being read, the place > where hiccups go to die, home of the infinitely recursive popping tonic. > > Would it print all right? > Usually. > > How could I preview it if Preview.app cannot? > You can't. > > It is most definitely not the compositing app - I tried Diagram.app, > > PasteUp.app, - always the same result. > Tell me about it. This is a "top five" support question for PasteUp. > The bottom line is, oversize documents -- and that includes US Legal -- > can only be previewed within the creating app. But Greg ... I used 'dwrite -g NXPaperType Tabloid', launched PasteUp, and created a new document. It started out 11x17. I wrote on it, saved it, and sent it to Preview (also freshly launched after dwrite). It's big. Now I agree that it is lousy to have to change the defaults database to do this. And I think it is lousy that you are limited by NeXT's choice of paper sizes. However, it can be done. I didn't try it with Legal, but I don't see why that shouldn't work when Tabloid does. Disclaimer: I am a happy user of both WriteUp and PasteUp. I also have an order in for OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach to run on my mono-slab that will be five years old next month. It's still my favorite machine. But I haven't had to negotiate anything with NeXT or get anything from them but normal hardware and software. :-) Beth Katz katz@cs.millersv.edu http://cs.millersv.edu/~katz
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.app has limit of A3 ? - please help Date: 10 Jul 1996 14:14:18 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <4s0drq$jfh@shelob.afs.com> References: <4s0btj$6at@jake.esu.edu> Beth Katz write > But Greg ... I used 'dwrite -g NXPaperType Tabloid', launched PasteUp, > and created a new document. It started out 11x17. I wrote on it, saved > it, and sent it to Preview (also freshly launched after dwrite). It's > big. Wow, that's a new one on me. Thanks! So Preview picks up the global NXPaperType. I can see why they would do that, for foreign customers. But doesn't that mean ALL previewed documents will come up in a huge window? Why can't Preview simply scan for the embedded paper size? > Now I agree that it is lousy to have to change the defaults database > to do this. And I think it is lousy that you are limited by NeXT's > choice of paper sizes. It is also lousy that this very helpful thing is not documented anywhere. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "I wander'd off by myself, In the Crystal Ball/Star Gazer | mystical moist night-air, and from Anderson Financial Systems | time to time, Look'd up in perfect greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | silence at the stars." Walt Whitman
From: par@MCS.COM (Peter Richardson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Sybase access from NeXT Date: 10 Jul 1996 11:35:21 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <4s0m49$4bf@Venus.mcs.com> We have an OLD sybase server running on NeXT Black hardware. We have many application that are using it. I am looking to find some way to move this server. Several reasons come to mind 1) newer faster hardware, 2) can't buy NeXT hardware. Here are the questions: 1) can Sybase NT be accessed from NeXT applications using the old DBKit sybase adapter? 2) if so, what do we need to purchase for the Sybase NT to get about 8 concurrent users? 3) if not, is there a sybase adapter in the EO kit that can 4) any tips on moving to EO from DBKit? I hate to break everything that we are currently doing to make this change, but sometimes that is all you can do. Peter Richardson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: haskell for NS3.3/intel? Message-ID: <1996Jul10.180430.6778@queens-belfast.ac.uk> From: S.Fitzpatrick@cs.qub.ac.uk Date: 10 Jul 96 18:04:29 GMT Has anyone managed to port the Glasgow Haskell compiler (ghc, a functional language) for NS3.3/intel? (Or any other haskell compiler?) -- Stephen Fitzpatrick, Department of Computer Science, The Queen's University of Belfast, Belfast BT7 1NN, N. Ireland. S.Fitzpatrick@cs.qub.ac.uk Phone:(+44) 1232 245133 x4615 http://www.cs.qub.ac.uk/~S.Fitzpatrick/
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Questions about 3.x Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:26:02 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <4rgraq$r4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4rc3vp$pb0@news1.i1.net> <DtzHt4.5Jp@nidat.sub.org> Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) wrote: > In article <4rc3vp$pb0@news1.i1.net> c671143@showme.missouri.edu writes: > > I'm new to NS for intel. My college is on the of phasing out all > > of our slabs and going to SGI Indy's. > > NS/I and NS for NeXT are different! They aren't binary compatible and the > NS User CD is architecture specific. The distribution for NeXT machines > won't load on any other architecture. The later Dev and EOF distributions > are FAT so they work, but not the basic OS! This is definitely wrong. The user version is 2-fat (NeXT and Intel), only the installation floppy differs. If you get the approriate floppy, you can install on Intel or NeXT from the same CD-ROM. I know it cause I'v just done it :-) Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe Lorscher Strasse 5 D-60489 Frankfurt Germany Phone: +49 (69) 9784 0007 E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail - Mime - ASCII) PGP: public key on request Member of WiNG (Wiesbaden NEXTSTEP Group) _____________________________________________________________________
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New version of FontConvert is on peanuts Date: 10 Jul 1996 18:33:38 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <4s0t22$ghq@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Howdy! A new version of my font converter program 'FontConvert.app' is on the Peanuts archive. Version 1.3b has the following features: -> Conversion of Mac Typ 1, PC PFB, plain PFA (as the Ghostscript fonts) Typ 1 and Typ 3 _and_ TrueType (not all sub formats yet supported...) to the NeXT format. Now you can dig out all these freeware font CDs for Windows... -> Can generate the needed AFM files for all above types on the fly, AFM generation is now much improved (Thanks to the OneVision Team for their 'genafm' program and the permission to use it with FontConvert). -> Implements the so-called FontDoctor, an outline and afm preview for NeXT fonts. -> Some bug fixes & cleanups. -> It is free. No charge whatever. Have fun, but whatever you do, please provide me with feedback (problems you encounter, features you may want, or simply some 'hey, you are great' messages...) Bye Frank -- Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] -- Home Page http://hades.tue.schwaben.de/~frank NeXTSTEP, Linux & PostScript Guy "In cantonese C++ is called C ga ga"
From: lutzray@9bit.qc.ca (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: 10 Jul 1996 20:11:30 GMT Organization: SPC Message-ID: <4s12pi$gqj@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> References: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> <4rm3vl$ugm@treflan.shout.net> In-Reply-To: <4rm3vl$ugm@treflan.shout.net> On 07/06/96, Steve Weintz wrote: >In <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >> kafkouli@fiu.edu wrote: >> > 1) Are there any graphic artists who use NeXTSTEP for their >> > professional publishing? [snip] >> Anyway, the software I reccomend is: - Tailor Pro--lets you >> edit any postscript file...invaluable - Tiffany2--great image >> editor - Virtuoso2--I think this will read and save as Illustrator ^^^^^^^^^^^ Is Virtuoso still available? > Tiffany2 (and T3 Might [fingers and toes crossed]) come out. [snip] > Killer app. It also supports pressure sensitive graphics > tablets... Any pointer to info about pressure sensitive graphics tablets (and black hardware?) I'm clueless about those... Yes, I know *what* is a graphic tablet 8^) Which brands? which models? Drivers? Thanx, RL
From: rdieter@mathlab44.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Compile problems (pgp 2.6.3i) Date: 10 Jul 1996 20:43:52 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <4s14m8$145@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <4rrhvj$6fr@bagan.srce.hr> In article <4rrhvj$6fr@bagan.srce.hr> thor@zems.fer.hr (Thor Legvold) writes: > I recently downloaded pgp 2.6.3i and found predefined > ... > and in linking I get an exit because of undefined > symbol: > ld: Undefined symbols: > _strdup > *** Exit 1 Go back to the ftp or http site you got the pgp-2.6.3i source from, they have a patch now to make it pgp-2.6.3.ai which fixes this. p.s. Your e-mail address bounced. -- Rex Dieter Computer System Manager Department of Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska Lincoln
From: rworne@primenet.com (Robert Worne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: 10 Jul 1996 14:11:01 -0700 Organization: The Turbocolor On My Desk Message-ID: <4s1695$pk1@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> <4rm3vl$ugm@treflan.shout.net> <4s12pi$gqj@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> lutzray@9bit.qc.ca (Raymond Lutz) wrote: >Any pointer to info about pressure sensitive graphics tablets (and >black hardware?) I'm clueless about those... Yes, I know *what* is a >graphic tablet 8^) > >Which brands? which models? Drivers? Not to add a me too.. but... My InstallTablet.app supports various tablets that the documentation says are different (app says Wacom, docs say Summasketch or whatever) The Wacom models appear obsolete, as no one is selling them, the artZ tablets (as someone posted a while back) appear not to be compatible. Personally, I'd love to have a tablet, have the free 'B' serial port and would love to put it to good use. Anyone know where to get one? -- Robert Worne NeXT-OS/2-MacOS Starving CS Undergrad...Sorry, I don't *do* Windows! I'd rather starve... -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/P/S d-?>pu s+:+> a- C++$>++++ UX++++>$ P+>+++ L+ !E !W++ N+++ !o-- !K w--- O++$ M+ V PS>--- !PE+ Y+ !PGP- t@ 5++ X+++ R- tv b+>++ DI !D G e>+++ h--- r++ y+++** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
From: mikef@kennedy.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Kieran Fleming) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: [help] Moving NS 3.3/Intel install to a new drive Date: 10 Jul 1996 21:32:06 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <4s17gm$sr@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> I posted this before and got no responses, so I'm trying again-- I'm trying to move my NS3.3/Intel install from a dying hard drive to a new one. The problem is, I'm stranded for the summer without my 3.3 install CDs. I can't use BuildDisk because I need to partition the drive with fdisk. I've managed to get the NS boot loader onto the new drive, as well as the rest of the install. (First off of a tape, now via a big gnutar | gnutar) When I boot the new drive, I get to the NS boot prompt. However, it won't continue--it complains about its inablity to find System.config in the /usr/Devices directory. However, this file exists! Indeed, the entire install is a direct copy of the other drive. I suspect that I need to run some other program to set up the bootloader or something. I can't find any such utility. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might migrate my install to a new drive? Please email me--I don't read USENET much. Mike Fleming mikef@ecn.purdue.edu
From: "Sam R. Thangiah" <thangiah@samuel.cpsc.sru.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SLIP for NeXT Systems Date: 10 Jul 1996 23:45:46 GMT Organization: Slippery Rock University Message-ID: <4s1fba$ika@jake.esu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would somebody be kind enough to give me some information on where I could purchase a commercial version of a SLIP program for the next systems. Thanks in advance, .. Sam thangiah@samuel.cpsc.sru.edu
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: 11 Jul 1996 01:47:28 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4s1mfg$pkb@news4.digex.net> References: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> <4rm3vl$ugm@treflan.shout.net> <4s12pi$gqj@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> lutzray@9bit.qc.ca (Raymond Lutz) wrote: > >> editor - Virtuoso2--I think this will read and save as Illustrator > Is Virtuoso still available? Yup, from GS Corp: http://www.gscorp.com/ > Any pointer to info about pressure sensitive graphics tablets (and black hardware?) I'm clueless about those... Yes, I know *what* is a graphic tablet 8^) > Which brands? which models? Drivers? Wacom tablets work. There was a driver posted on the archives that let you use the wacom tablets with NS 3.3 (and they should continue to work with 4.0). I think the driver enable all the new Wacom tablets to work. However, this is for white hardware. I'm not sure what to do about black hardware and graphics tablets...... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: gsaulnie@tiac.net (gsaulnie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: news group reader dose one exist ? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 01:43:54 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Message-ID: <4s1mc5$706@news-old.tiac.net> Is there a news group reader like the I have to say the Windows agent program. For NextStep 3.3 ? Please email @ gsaulnie@tiac.net If one exist that is decent. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: SLIP for NeXT Systems Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960710221930.13003A-100000@charisma> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:25:19 -0400 References: <4s1fba$ika@jake.esu.edu> To: "Sam R. Thangiah" <thangiah@samuel.cpsc.sru.edu> In-Reply-To: <4s1fba$ika@jake.esu.edu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Jul 1996, Sam R. Thangiah wrote: > Would somebody be kind enough to give me some information on > where I could purchase a commercial version of a SLIP program > for the next systems. > > thangiah@samuel.cpsc.sru.edu There isn't one. There is a free PPP and a commercial PPP. Free: (and good) http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ Commercial: (don't know anything about it) http://www.datacore.ch/ You can download the demo from: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/DataCorePPP.1.113.NIHS.b.tar.gz and get a demo license key from: http://www.datacore.ch/products/e_ppp_license.html TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: news group reader dose one exist ? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960710222706.13003B-100000@charisma> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:33:00 -0400 References: <4s1mc5$706@news-old.tiac.net> To: gsaulnie <gsaulnie@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <4s1mc5$706@news-old.tiac.net> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, gsaulnie wrote: > Is there a news group reader like the I have to say the Windows agent > program. For NextStep 3.3 ? > > Please email @ gsaulnie@tiac.net There's a lot of them, personal preferences may make one seem better than the other. There's a handy-dandy reference for all the GUI newsreaders I know of for NeXTStep: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat/next/#NEWSREADERS That also happens to be a page I created... TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: knguyen@callisto.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GUI for mkisofs? Date: 11 Jul 1996 10:04:28 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <4s2jjc$hvc@news.tuwien.ac.at> Hi all, Is there a NextStep GUI for mkisofs on the net? If not, could someone make it?? khanh
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hidden feature of Workspace Manager found Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:12:57 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960711140911.18813C-100000@hphalle7f.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just found a hidden feature in Workspace Manager: You don't need a keyboard shortcut for mounting/unmounting devices (such as floppy disks on Intel hardware). Just hold the Control button or the Command Button and double click the NeXT icon in the Dock to mount/umount disks. I has the same effect as selecting 'check for disks' and 'eject disk' from the menus. I didn't test it with powered on devices after bootup. Greetings, Boerny. -- Bernhard Scholz (IRC: Boerny) scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de http://peanuts.leo.org/ http://www.leo.org/~scholz/
From: tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 11 Jul 1996 14:38:56 +0200 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Sender: tiggr@tom.es.ele.tue.nl Message-ID: <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7enmltbrx.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4rvng4$cd@turbocat.snafu.de> In-reply-to: dave@turbocat.snafu.de's message of 10 Jul 1996 07:52:36 GMT In article <4rvng4$cd@turbocat.snafu.de> dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) writes: Ask some people, who bought expensive HPs to run NS. Which makes me wonder: in a few months I'll probably have a HP9000/735 to play with, i.e. I could run nextstep on it (it is now, at the left side of my desk, running hp-ux; at the right side is a turbo color nextstation). Given the fact that I do not need to have the latest greatest version of nextstep (3.3 will do just fine over hpux), is there any reason why I should not install nextstep? --Tiggr
From: mp@rob.cs.tu-bs.de (Martin Pruefer DL8OAU) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: audio CD player for Sony Date: 11 Jul 96 12:45:57 GMT Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <mp.837089157@maud.rob.cs.tu-bs.de> References: <4rtupo$2dk@mojo.eng.umd.edu> recurve@Glue.umd.edu (Aaron David Rosenzweig) writes: >I have the original 030 Cube and have been using the Apple external >single speed drive with things like the Nebula CD without any problem. >However when I stick in an audio CD the CD gets spit back out. I heard >there are some programs available for NeXTStep that will let you play >these CD's but I don't know what they're called. >Thanks, try CD150-Player.app, this works fine with my NeXT-Station and with apple drive CD 150. Martin -- Martin Pruefer DL8OAU (M.Pruefer@tu-bs.de) | Tel: +49 531/391-7453 Institute for Robotics and Computer Control | __ Fax: +49 531/391-5696 Technical University of Braunschweig | /\_\ Why use Windows since Hamburger Str. 267, 38114 Braunschweig, FRG | \/_/ there are doors?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <rberber@spin.com.mx> Message-ID: <9607111446.AA00311@spin.com.mx> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Rene Berber <rberber@spin.com.mx> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 08:46:33 -0600 Subject: sybperl_pl6.tar.Z is damaged Cc: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca The sybperl_pl6.tar.Z file at ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/sources/tools is corrupted so it can't be decompressed. Can anyone send a good copy to the site? or point me to where to find one. Thanks, --- Rene Berber rberber@spin.com.mx (MIME/NeXTMail accepted)
From: thoran@pedder.csse.swin.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Hidden feature of Workspace Manager found Date: 11 Jul 1996 14:27:54 GMT Organization: La Trobe University Message-ID: <4s331a$j37@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> I didn't find this to work...?
From: suryadi@iastate.edu (Ed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FOR SALE Date: 11 Jul 1996 15:44:26 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Message-ID: <4s37gq$h87@news.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 FOR SALE: 1. Borland C++ 4.5 : $75 (CD-ROM) 2. Procomm Plus for Windows 2.0 : $30 (DISK) 3. Mortal Kombat III: $30 (CD-ROM) 4. Primal Rage: $30 (CD-ROM) All come with box and manual and in excellent condition. interested: contact Edward Suryadi suryadi@iastate.edu Thanks, Edward
From: jut@ukrv.de (Dipl.-Ing. (FH) J.-U. Thieme) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Hidden feature of Workspace Manager found Date: 11 Jul 1996 17:22:22 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <4s3d8e$b97@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <4s331a$j37@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> Cc: thoran@pedder.csse.swin.edu.au In <4s331a$j37@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> thoran@pedder.csse.swin.edu.au wrote: > I didn't find this to work...? > ItΒs works fine, but use the shift-key and not control. Ok, thats all.. CIAO JUT -- -------------------------------------------------------------- - Dipl.-Ing. (FH) J.- U. Thieme - -------------------------------------------------------------- - send to : jut@ukrv.de or jut@rz.charite.hu-berlin.de - - -> NeXTMail & PGP welcome <- - - phone : +49 30 450 66127 - - fax: +49 30 450 66937 - -------------------------------------------------------------- - location : virchow-hospital in berlin (germany) - --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Paul Marcos <pmarcos@surf.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Windows for Work Groups NEtworking For NeXTS Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 15:56:52 -0700 Organization: dCode Message-ID: <31DEEF34.6765@surf.com> References: <4rctrb$9t@senior.nectec.or.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Dan Pollak <pollak@mozart.inet.co.th> Dan Pollak wrote: > We've installed Windows for Work Groups on our office network (and will > move to NT 4.0 when it comes out). I've heard there is software that > will let my beloved NeXT interact with Windows for Wrok Groups -- what is > it called and where can I find it? For file sharing there is free software called Samba that allows OPENSTEP (and NEXTSTEP for that matter) to act as a server for Windows machines. The last I heard, it was going to be included with OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach. You should check the documentation (release notes?) for more info on it. Either that or check the Samba web site: http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba Paul
From: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (Majid Ftouhi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: IRC CLIENT (ENCIRCLE) HELP! Date: 11 Jul 1996 15:47:24 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <4s37mc$pcu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> HI : i want to know if someone has Encircle (IRC Client) for INTEL) ? Encircle is an IRC Client. But i found it just for Next. I have NextStep for INTEL. So i need it for Intel. Thanks a LOT -- Majid Ftouhi Departement d'Informatique et Recherche Operationnelle Universite de Montreal email: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (MIME & NeXTMail available) ==============================================================
From: dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 11 Jul 1996 18:56:41 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> tiggr@es.ele.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) wrote: > In article <4rvng4$cd@turbocat.snafu.de> dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) writes: > > Ask some people, who bought expensive HPs to run NS. > > Which makes me wonder: in a few months I'll probably have a HP9000/735 to > play with, i.e. I could run nextstep on it (it is now, at the left side of > my desk, running hp-ux; at the right side is a turbo color nextstation). > Given the fact that I do not need to have the latest greatest version of > nextstep (3.3 will do just fine over hpux), is there any reason why I > should not install nextstep? --Tiggr OK. It's better than HPUX. But it's a dead-end-street on HPPA. With intel or SUN you are up to date. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.snafu.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:35:13 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <EltKK1u00iWWA87FFb@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> In-Reply-To: <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 11-Jul-96 Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was:.. by David Wetzel@turbocat.sn >> Which makes me wonder: in a few months I'll probably have a HP9000/735 to >> play with, i.e. I could run nextstep on it (it is now, at the left side of >> my desk, running hp-ux; at the right side is a turbo color nextstation). >> Given the fact that I do not need to have the latest greatest version of >> nextstep (3.3 will do just fine over hpux), is there any reason why I >> should not install nextstep? --Tiggr Well, if you want to use NEXTSTEP and NS 3.3 suits your needs, then you will probably find NS for HPPA adequate. I've reason to question the stability of NS for HPPA, though.... > OK. It's better than HPUX. But it's a dead-end-street on HPPA. With intel or > SUN you are up to date. NEXTSTEP for HPPA is a much better user environment than HP/UX is. Of course, the opposite is true if you want to use the machine as a server. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: overa@fire.sjsu.edu (overa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP! My F77 compiler says "permision denied"...?? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:26:43 +0800 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Message-ID: <overa-1107961626430001@physmq1.sjsu.edu> My compiler keeps saying "permision denied" when I want to compile a program or do anything. It is Absoft f77 fo the NeXT. Any ideas? Any help greatly appreciated. me :)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: NeXTstep 4.0 Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960712150613.14077C-100000@charisma> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:06:37 -0400 References: <4s5s9r$m3m@cocoa.brown.edu> To: Andrew Jones <andrew@hydra.cfm.brown.edu> In-Reply-To: <4s5s9r$m3m@cocoa.brown.edu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 12 Jul 1996, Andrew Jones wrote: > When is NeXTstep 4.0 academic going to ship? I believe it already has..... have you called 1-800-try-next? TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: Christof Marti <mrt@twi.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Have you gotten a Jaz drive to work with NeXTSTEP? Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:12:14 -0700 Organization: Technikum Winterthur Ingenieurschule Message-ID: <31E7140E.13CB@twi.ch> References: <31E5FFD7.75B6@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mario Pacheco <pacheco@ix.netcom.com> Mario Pacheco wrote: > ... > Jaz disk, problems arise when I try to format and initialize a Jaz > disk natively under NeXTSTEP. > ... > Here's the script as it transpired: > > /(2)% disk /dev/rsd1h > disk name: iomega jaz 1GB H.6204/0 > disk type: removable_rw_scsi > Disk utility > The JAZ Drive works perfectly with NEXTSTEP 3.3. The problem is, that the JAZ drive does not return its correct geometry (look at "/usr/etc/scsimodes /dev/rsd1a") or NEXTSTEP does not understand, what it delivers. You just have to add the entry below to your /etc/disktab file. (I dont know if it is totaly correct, but it works since 2 month with my Nextstation Turbo Color and on several Intels) We constructed it from the infos in the NextAnswers and some hardware infos we got from a configuration program on Windows. After rebooting the Station your JAZ is recognized and also the <Disk Initialize...> menu works. If you have problems to format an already formated DOS or Mac-Disk you have to do a lowlevel format (disk Format). Here is a working entry for /etc/disktab: (You may have to correct the entry to show your serial number.) # iomega jaz-Drive # # # Drive type: iomega jaz 1GB G.4409/2 (prototype Version) # Drive type: iomega jaz 1GB G.5411/1 (1st serie) # Drive type: iomega jaz 1GB G.5512/1 (my Drive) # Drive type: iomega jaz 1GB H.6204/0 (your Drive) # (you get this string with the disk command) # jaz|jaz1GB|jaz 1GB|iomega jaz 1GB H.6204/0:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#1021:nt#64:ns#32:ss#512:rm#5400:\ :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#64:z1#192:hn=localhost:rw=a:\ :pa#0:sa#2090730:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#32:da#16384:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa Good luck! Christof
From: dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OS 4.0? Date: 12 Jul 1996 14:18:07 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <4s5mqv$13n@turbocat.snafu.de> Hello! Can someone, who has 4.0 already post if the following is better? o Printing via parallel port o Window Server speed/memory req. o FileSystem? (64 bit?) o (...) Thanks _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.snafu.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
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From: icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTstep 4.0 Date: 12 Jul 1996 22:24:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <4s6jbh$mfq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4s5s9r$m3m@cocoa.brown.edu> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960712150613.14077C-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> writes: >On 12 Jul 1996, Andrew Jones wrote: >> >> When is NeXTstep 4.0 academic going to ship? > >I believe it already has..... have you called 1-800-try-next? > The OS4.0 Academic Bundle has been released (ie orders are being taken) but it won't ship until sometime next week (I was told the 17th). -- Ian P. Cardenas (icardena@uiuc.edu) CCSO Sites Technical Support "Are they as successful as who,Microsoft? Only drug lords from South America are as successful as Microsoft." -Tim Byars, on the success of NeXT Computer, Inc.
From: pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to get at "groups" from outside Mail.app? Date: 12 Jul 1996 22:34:44 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <slrn4udka8.j8j.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> I have some "group" aliases in Mail.app, and I use Mail.app for most of my electronic correspondence. However, when I dial-in from home, I use trusty old ucb "mail", and I'd like to be able to use the group aliases from within ucb mail. Where does Mail.app store the information?!? I haven't been able to find it, but once I know where it is, I can probably write a script to merge it into my .mailrc... Any pointers? Paul -- _____________________________________________________________________ Paul Brown Grad student, UCB mathematics (510)-843-7817 pbrown@math.berkeley.edu http://math.berkeley.edu/~pbrown/ NeXTmail preferred. _____________________________________________________________________
From: baudouin@emi.u-bordeaux.fr (Thierry Baudouin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Pager Date: 12 Jul 1996 20:58:47 GMT Organization: Enseignement Maths Info, Universite de Bordeaux I, France Message-ID: <4s6ea7$6s1@news.u-bordeaux.fr> Hie. Do you know a software which simulate virtual screen like the pager in X-Window system (FVWM manager) ? Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Hidden feature of Workspace Manager found Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960713004057.22177B-100000@charisma> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:42:06 -0400 References: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960711140911.18813C-100000@hphalle7f.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <4s51l1$8tp@isabella.object-factory.com> To: Dirk Olmes <dirk@object-factory.com> In-Reply-To: <4s51l1$8tp@isabella.object-factory.com> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 12 Jul 1996, Dirk Olmes wrote: > Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote: > > I just found a hidden feature in Workspace Manager: > > > > You don't need a keyboard shortcut for mounting/unmounting devices (such > > as floppy disks on Intel hardware). > > > > Just hold the Control button or the Command Button and double click the > > NeXT icon in the Dock to mount/umount disks. I has the same effect as > > selecting 'check for disks' and 'eject disk' from the menus. I didn't > > test it with powered on devices after bootup. > > ... But I tested it with a SCSI Disk, sorry it doesn't work ... It works great (ejecting) my SCSI EZ-drive..... My NeXThardware mounts/umounts automatically, so I can't say whether that would work for me or not... TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: How to get at "groups" from outside Mail.app? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960713004526.22177D-100000@charisma> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:47:47 -0400 References: <slrn4udka8.j8j.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> To: "Paul R. Brown" <pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <slrn4udka8.j8j.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ~/.NeXT/.mailalias I don't know what the format of the .mailrc is (never used it), but if you want to let me know I can probably help write a script to convert it. TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat On 12 Jul 1996, Paul R. Brown wrote: > I have some "group" aliases in Mail.app, and I use Mail.app for most > of my electronic correspondence. However, when I dial-in from home, I > use trusty old ucb "mail", and I'd like to be able to use the group > aliases from within ucb mail. Where does Mail.app store the > information?!? I haven't been able to find it, but once I know where > it is, I can probably write a script to merge it into my > .mailrc... Any pointers? > > Paul > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Paul Brown Grad student, UCB mathematics (510)-843-7817 > pbrown@math.berkeley.edu http://math.berkeley.edu/~pbrown/ > NeXTmail preferred. > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Pager Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960713004411.22177C-100000@charisma> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:44:40 -0400 References: <4s6ea7$6s1@news.u-bordeaux.fr> To: Thierry Baudouin <baudouin@emi.u-bordeaux.fr> In-Reply-To: <4s6ea7$6s1@news.u-bordeaux.fr> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 12 Jul 1996, Thierry Baudouin wrote: > Hie. > > Do you know a software which simulate virtual screen like the pager in > X-Window system (FVWM manager) ? Do you mean something like VirtSpace.app and/or Widescreen.app? TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 13 Jul 1996 07:33:12 GMT Organization: ServNet Internet Services Message-ID: <4s7jfo$djr@brockman.serv.net> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> <EltKK1u00iWWA87FFb@andrew.cmu.edu> <4s5pt1$ieu@news.mr.net> In-Reply-To: <4s5pt1$ieu@news.mr.net> On 07/11/96, Bruce Montegani wrote: >Although I don't agree with the way NeXT handled the HPPA decision I do agree >that it was the right decision at this time. HP has admitted that their >desktop solution is Windows so why continue supporting NeXT HPPA. This does >not mean that the HP solution is dead all around but just on the desktop. You >can still run NeXT objects on HP-UX through PDO. I have heard from an unofficial source that NeXT did not decide to drop HP, but that HP asked NeXT to stop development since they thought is was going to interfere with their other options; namely Windows and their OS dean
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Does NextStep support multisession CDBs Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DuGGFy.GC6@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:09:33 GMT References: <4s5gg5$12r6@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4s5gg5$12r6@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@pollux> wrote: >I would like to know if Nextstep does support Multisession CDBs or if there >is a way to access the different sessions from NextStep or if it can access >multitrack CDBs. > As of 3.3, NS can't do multisession CDs. I don't know about 4.0. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon Michel von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: alby-ppp permissions/ownership problem Date: 13 Jul 1996 12:54:52 GMT Organization: Zilker Internet Park, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4s86as$pi4@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <4rssp4$78t@news.cloud9.net> Cc: vladk@escape.com In <4rssp4$78t@news.cloud9.net> Vladimir Knajtner wrote: > I compiled and installed alby-ppp long time ago and it has been working > fine with some minor modification of the launching scripts. The only > problem I've been having is that alby-ppp runs only if I kick it off as > root, otherwise I get message: > > ppp: ioctl(SIOCSIFFLAGS): Not owner > > which indicates that there is an ownership/permission problem. Changing > the ownership of ppp* to uucp.daemon didn't help. > > I've got PPPMeter source the other day and compiled it so it works under > NS3.0 on my machine, but now I wanna run the front end as myself ( != root I haven't used PPPMeter, but I use PPPMonitor to control my connection. In the PPPMonitor settings, you enter the pppup and pppdown commands as you would enter them on the command line. If this is how PPPMeter works, then there's a command line utility called "asroot", which allows you to execute commands as the superuser if you're in group wheel, without having to su. It should be on one of the archives. It's not as nice as sudo, but it works for me. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Admin <leonvs@pswtech.com> Zilker Internet Park, System Admin <leonvs@zilker.net> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 13 Jul 1996 16:04:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <4s8he4$a81@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> <EltKK1u00iWWA87FFb@andrew.cmu.edu> <4s5pt1$ieu@news.mr.net> <4s7jfo$djr@brockman.serv.net> thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) wrote: > I have heard from an unofficial source that NeXT did not decide to > drop HP, but that HP asked NeXT to stop development since they thought > is was going to interfere with their other options; namely Windows and > their OS If this is true, it seems like an unbelievably short-sighted attitude by HP. NS/PA sales must have been a tiny fraction of HP-UX workstation sales. And I can't imagine that NS/PA was affecting the sales of HP Intel machines running Windows. In fact, I bet that HP workstation sales increased slightly due to NS/PA because of existing NS users who wanted a faster platform but wanted to avoid Intel. A more plausible explanation is that NS/PA sales were so small that the development and support costs weren't close to being recouped. NeXT cannot afford to continue losing money indefinitely despite starting with huge amounts of capital. So rather than downsizing via personnel cuts, NeXT is probably downsizing its product line, a much more civilized approach to profitability. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Hidden feature of Workspace Manager found Message-ID: <DuH7yE.86u@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <4s51l1$8tp@isabella.object-factory.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:03:50 GMT In article <4s51l1$8tp@isabella.object-factory.com> dirk@object-factory.com (Dirk Olmes) writes: > Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote: > > I just found a hidden feature in Workspace Manager: > > > > You don't need a keyboard shortcut for mounting/unmounting devices > > (such as floppy disks on Intel hardware). > > > > Just hold the Control button or the Command Button and double click > > the NeXT icon in the Dock to mount/umount disks. I has the same effect > > as selecting 'check for disks' and 'eject disk' from the menus. I > > didn't test it with powered on devices after bootup. > > ... But I tested it with a SCSI Disk, sorry it doesn't work ... > So now we know it only works with automounted drives. Makes sense to me. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Bob Rodgers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:28:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <4s8mgl$d3v@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) wrote: >OK. It's better than HPUX. But it's a dead-end-street on HPPA. With intel or >SUN you are up to date. When did this happen? I've been looking on the Next and HP web sites, but last I knew (which admittedly is probably about a year out of date), HP and NeXT were still cozy. What happened? Does anyone know if QR and 3dkit will still be in NS4? __________________________________________________________ http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rsrodger | I brake for chupacabras mail to rsrodger@wam.umd.edu | rsr@msn.com |
From: don@misckit.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the foot...) Date: 13 Jul 1996 21:10:57 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <4s93d1$6nf@news.xmission.com> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> <4s8mgl$d3v@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Bob Rodgers) wrote: > dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) wrote: > >OK. It's better than HPUX. But it's a dead-end-street on HPPA. > >With intel or SUN you are up to date. > > When did this happen? I've been looking on the Next and HP web sites, > but last I knew (which admittedly is probably about a year out of > date), HP and NeXT were still cozy. What happened? NeXT dropped HP support a month or two ago. This fact was confirmed when the NS 4.0 beta shipped without HP support on it...and a press release came out shortly after that. > Does anyone know if QR and 3dkit will still be in NS4? I think that the renderers are there for backward compatability, but the 3D Kit and Indexing Kit are gone in 4.0. If you look at the MiscKit web site, you'll find information about a deal that the MiscKit has worked out with NeXT to get the 3D and IX Kit sources. Assuming that we are successful in porting both kits to OPENSTEP, that is how you'll get access to the kits for development. Neither port is close to done at present, but we doing our best with what little resources we have! -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: vladk@escape.com (Vladimir Knajtner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SoftPC and NS3.0 Date: 13 Jul 1996 23:17:42 GMT Organization: Cloud 9 Internet, White Plains, NY, USA Distribution: USA Message-ID: <4s9aqm$klg@news.cloud9.net> What version of SoftPC runs on NS3.0 (or 3.1)? How's the performance on a BW turbo box with 16MB RAM compared to a, say, 486 66MHz? I would like to run standard Windows 3.1 stuff - Word, Excel, etc... Vlad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607132113.RAA04960@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 17:13:50 -0400 Subject: ascii(7) and kermit and expect Cc: libes@cme.nist.gov Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary I am trying to figure out the ASCII equivalent to Control-] kermit reports it to be ASCII 29 What I am really try to do is get 'expect' (the cool program to automate interactive processes) to send 'CONTROL-] and then 'c' to kermit when my dialin script connects. Anyone have any clues? Thanks TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 3.3 Drivers on 4.0? Date: 14 Jul 1996 03:20:13 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <4s9p1d$pd1@news.next.com> References: <1996Jul6.183249.82400@cc.usu.edu> writes > Do 3.3 device drivers work with OS 4.0? > I suspect they must, since I've not heard any > rumblings about having to get new ones. > > Thanks for confirmations/denials. > > - HRC - That depends...Display drivers probably will. SCSI, Networking, and Sound probably not. Someone from the Driver group could probably give more details, but my understanding is that several changes were made in DriverKit for 4.0. -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 3.3 Drivers on 4.0? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:11:39 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul14.191139.21782@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4s9p1d$pd1@news.next.com> In article <4s9p1d$pd1@news.next.com> Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) writes: > writes > > Do 3.3 device drivers work with OS 4.0? > > I suspect they must, since I've not heard any > > rumblings about having to get new ones. > > That depends...Display drivers probably will. SCSI, Networking, and > Sound probably not. Someone from the Driver group could probably give > more details, but my understanding is that several changes were made in > DriverKit for 4.0. Network drivers certainly do work (at least, the ones I have tried). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Any PDF reader avaiable for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <DuJzK8.1Lw@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:55:20 GMT Just wondered if there was a reader for Acrobat files available for NeXTSTEP (or OpenStep, I suppose). Thanks in advance. Steve -- Steven M. Boker 804-982-5062 (voice/fax) 804-295-0009 (home) boker@virginia.edu http://kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu/steve_boker/ Dept. of Psychology, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903 After 8/1/96: Dept. of Psych., U. of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Did NeXT OpenStepify its Apps? Date: 15 Jul 1996 01:32:30 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/ For OpenStep 4.0 for Mach OS: Did NeXT convert the source code of their applications (WorkSpace, Librarian, NeXTMail, Edit, Terminal etc..) to comply with OpenStep? or, like other 3.3 applications, they just work under OpenStep 4.0 because of the included 3.3 libraries? -- Wassim M. Jabi Doctoral Program in Architecture University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Blvd Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069 wjabi@umich.edu (Text/MIME/NeXTMail) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Did NeXT OpenStepify its Apps? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960714225722.1233B-100000@charisma> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:59:03 -0400 References: <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> To: "Wassim M. Jabi" <wjabi@umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As this is a question specifically about software, I removed csn.misc from followups... All I can speak of is Mail.app, which changed significantly enough to cause EnhanceMail.bundle to fail, so Carl had to re-make it. TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat On 15 Jul 1996, Wassim M. Jabi wrote: > For OpenStep 4.0 for Mach OS: Did NeXT convert the source code of > their applications (WorkSpace, Librarian, NeXTMail, Edit, Terminal > etc..) to comply with OpenStep? or, like other 3.3 applications, they > just work under OpenStep 4.0 because of the included 3.3 libraries?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Any PDF reader avaiable for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960714225345.1233A-100000@charisma> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:55:10 -0400 References: <DuJzK8.1Lw@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> To: "Steven M. Boker" <smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu> In-Reply-To: <DuJzK8.1Lw@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, several, including: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/OmniPDF-2.0PR2_NIHS.tar.gz ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFView.1.4.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFView.1.4.README ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFView.1.41.NIHS.tar.gz ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFView.README ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFViewer.0.88.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFViewer.0.95.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Text/apps/PDFViewer.README TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Steven M. Boker wrote: > Just wondered if there was a reader for Acrobat files available for > NeXTSTEP (or OpenStep, I suppose). > > Thanks in advance. > > Steve > > -- > Steven M. Boker 804-982-5062 (voice/fax) 804-295-0009 (home) > boker@virginia.edu http://kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu/steve_boker/ > Dept. of Psychology, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903 > After 8/1/96: Dept. of Psych., U. of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556 > > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: farhad@netcom.com (Farhad Afrahi) Subject: Re: Any PDF reader avaiable for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <farhadDuKD8B.Ks9@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <DuJzK8.1Lw@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 02:50:35 GMT Sender: farhad@netcom17.netcom.com To my knowledge, there are three: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Text/apps/OmniPDF.2.OPR2.NIHS.tar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Text/apps/PDFView.1.41.NIHS.tar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Text/apps/PDFViewer.0.97a.NIHS.b.tar.gz -- Farhad Afrahi <fa@emf.net> NeXTmail, MIME, and SunMail accepted
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: NEXTSTEP Resources on the Internet Date: 15 Jul 1996 04:15:10 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4scgke$s91@digifix.digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Software, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - 150+ ISV company pages - 350+ ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - NEXTSTEP User Group Directory - comp.sys.next archives - User Group information - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Software, Inc. 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From: Hugh Ashton <hugha@nexustech.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Advice needed:Comp. Art: NeXTSTEP or Mac?? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:56:07 +0900 Organization: Nexus Technology Message-ID: <31E98917.759@nexustech.com> References: <4rgr7n$k0b@isis.fiu.edu> <4rh3mg$i9t@news3.digex.net> <4rm3vl$ugm@treflan.shout.net> <4s12pi$gqj@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> <4s1mfg$pkb@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > > lutzray@9bit.qc.ca (Raymond Lutz) wrote: > > >> editor - Virtuoso2--I think this will read and save as Illustrator > > Is Virtuoso still available? > > Yup, from GS Corp: > http://www.gscorp.com/ > > > Any pointer to info about pressure sensitive graphics tablets (and black > hardware?) I'm clueless about those... Yes, I know *what* is a graphic > tablet 8^) > > > Which brands? which models? Drivers? > > Wacom tablets work. There was a driver posted on the archives that let you > use the wacom tablets with NS 3.3 (and they should continue to work with > 4.0). I think the driver enable all the new Wacom tablets to work. > However, this is for white hardware. I'm not sure what to do about black > hardware and graphics tablets...... > -- I'm using an ADB black NeXT with a Wacom ADB (Mac), but the pressure sensitivity doesn't work. Anyone got any clues on where to start looking for an ADB LKS or something?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: tom@hukatronic.cz (Tomas Hurka) Subject: Re: 3.3 Drivers on 4.0? Message-ID: <DuL525.Cv@hurka.UUCP> Sender: tom@hurka.UUCP (Tomas Hurka) Organization: Hukatronic (H.C.C.) References: <4s9p1d$pd1@news.next.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:51:40 GMT Hi Mark, In article <4s9p1d$pd1@news.next.com> Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) writes: > That depends...Display drivers probably will. SCSI, Networking, and > Sound probably not. Someone from the Driver group could probably give > more details, but my understanding is that several changes were made in > DriverKit for 4.0. My SCSI driver written under 3.3 works just fine. I think that other 3.3 SCSI drivers will work too. Best regards, -- Tomas Hurka tom@hukatronic.cz NeXTMAIL and MIME OK (international mail <50 KB accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Subject: Re: MouseMagic doesn't deinstall properly Message-ID: <1996Jul15.163618.1560@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 16:36:18 GMT References: <4rj9r2$rvv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA In article <4rj9r2$rvv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert (Robert Lutwak) writes: >So, with all this talk about MouseMagic, I thought I'd check it out... >I never imagined that they'd want MONEY for a mouse utility. >Once I realized this, I de-installed from Installer.app (without, >in fact, even trying the demo). > >This left two pernicious dwrites in my defaults database: > I had the same experience. However, I did not realize I needed to fix my defaults database. Thanks for the advice. Apps that need money to license really ought to say so in a README before they are installed. -- Bob Peirce Pittsburgh, PA 412-471-5320 rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: ktsmith@telesource.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NEXTSTEP on PCs Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:28:03 GMT Organization: scruz-net Message-ID: <960715112803.217AAC7G.freedom@ksmith> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Do NEXTSTEP and third-party applications run on IBM Aptiva and HP's P
From: Charles Bennett <chuck@benatong.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: upsdeamon question Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:17:40 -0400 Organization: BenaTong Message-ID: <31EA8B44.6A72@benatong.com> References: <4rt3os$9gb@ddfservb.technet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Constantin Szallies wrote: > > I'm just looking for some UPS (uninteruptable power supply) software for > NS3.3 Intel. On the peanuts archive, I found a program called "upsdeamon". > So far so good. But what means "raise DCD"? Does anyone know which pins on > the 9-pin serial port I have to connect to raise DCD?? Raise DCD means that the UPS must assert a RS232 login 0 on pin 1. For control signals this is defined as > 3 Vdc < 15 Vdc The 9 pin serial port pinout is 1 Carrier Detect (Also called Data Carrier Detect) DCD 2 Receive Data RD 3 Transmit Data TD 4 Data Terminal Ready DTR 5 Signal Ground 6 Data Set Ready DSR 7 Request to Send RTS 8 Clear To Send CTS 9 Ring Indicator RI > Thanx in advance... Glad to help Chuck chuck@benatong http://www.benatong.com
From: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (Majid Ftouhi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: IRC client??? Date: 15 Jul 1996 18:54:40 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <4se45g$ra1@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Hi evey one: I have Intel NextStep. Is any one knows if there is an IRC client for Intel ? Thank u for anser!! -- Majid Ftouhi Departement d'Informatique et Recherche Operationnelle Universite de Montreal email: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (MIME & NeXTMail available) ==============================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Did NeXT OpenStepify its Apps? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DuLC2x.8Kq@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:23:21 GMT References: <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Wassim M. Jabi <wjabi@umich.edu> wrote: >For OpenStep 4.0 for Mach OS: Did NeXT convert the source code of >their applications (WorkSpace, Librarian, NeXTMail, Edit, Terminal >etc..) to comply with OpenStep? or, like other 3.3 applications, they >just work under OpenStep 4.0 because of the included 3.3 libraries? From a posting a while ago, I gather that none of these apps have been OpenStepified. Librarian is gone completely, since there's no more IndexingKit (but the MiscKit is taking care of that.) At least, I think Librarian is gone. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: wjabi@umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NextStep support multisession CDBs Date: 15 Jul 1996 20:49:24 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Message-ID: <4seask$va@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <4s5gg5$12r6@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <DuGGFy.GC6@novice.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <DuGGFy.GC6@novice.uwaterloo.ca> URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/ On 07/12/96, David Evans wrote: >In article <4s5gg5$12r6@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, >Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@pollux> wrote: >>I would like to know if Nextstep does support Multisession CDBs or if there >>is a way to access the different sessions from NextStep or if it can access >>multitrack CDBs. >> > > As of 3.3, NS can't do multisession CDs. I don't know about 4.0. > >-- >David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca >Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ >University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer >Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual > There was a thread on this before. NEXTSTEP does not support multi-session PhotoCDs, but a German Company (Tools GmbH) makes a driver called CD-XA that enables the reading of mutli-session PhotoCDs. Here is the contact information: Uwe Tilemann Email: ut@Tools.DE (ASCII, NeXTmail, MIME) Tools GmbH WWW: http://www.Tools.DE/ Adolfstr. 5 Phone: +49 0228 98580-0 D-53111 Bonn / GERMANY Fax: +49 0228 98580-17 -- Wassim M. Jabi Doctoral Program in Architecture University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Blvd Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069 wjabi@umich.edu (Text/MIME/NeXTMail) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wjabi/
From: dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Did NeXT OpenStepify its Apps? Date: 15 Jul 1996 23:01:38 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <4seiki$fav@news.onramp.net> References: <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <DuLC2x.8Kq@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Cc: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca In <DuLC2x.8Kq@novice.uwaterloo.ca> David Evans wrote: > In article <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, > Wassim M. Jabi <wjabi@umich.edu> wrote: > >For OpenStep 4.0 for Mach OS: Did NeXT convert the source code of > >their applications (WorkSpace, Librarian, NeXTMail, Edit, Terminal > >etc..) to comply with OpenStep? or, like other 3.3 applications, they > >just work under OpenStep 4.0 because of the included 3.3 libraries? Only the dev tools are on OpenStep 4.0 for NT. I don't know if Sun has the licence for these other apps or what we can expect from OpenStep for Solaris though. Steve -- Remaining wild Tigers:<6K, BlackRhino:<2K GiantPanda:<1K [envirolink.org] Human population in 1900: 1.5 billion, in 1996: 5.7 billion. [census.gov]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Sean Willson <sean_willson@il.us.swissbank.com> Subject: Re: IRC CLIENT (ENCIRCLE) HELP! Message-ID: <1996Jul16.000112.13214@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <4s37mc$pcu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:01:12 GMT In article <4s37mc$pcu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (Majid Ftouhi) writes: > i want to know if someone has Encircle (IRC Client) for INTEL) ? > Encircle is an IRC Client. But i found it just for Next. I have > NextStep for INTEL. So i need it for Intel. Not as of yet......production has slowed down on this, e-mail with questions. premise@engin.umich.edu Sean Willson -- ____________________________________________________________________ Sean M. Willson sean_willson@il.us.swissbank.com Swiss Bank Corp. NeXT, MIME, and ascii 141 West Jackson Boulevard Chicago, Illinois 60604 (312) 554-5399 Statements herein may not reflect the policies of
From: brilliant6@aol.com (Brilliant6) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Automated Testing of NextStep Applications - PC or Unix Date: 15 Jul 1996 20:33:18 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4seo0e$hfb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Does anyone have any insights/experience testing NextStep applications? I am particularly interested in test automation, functional testing and performance testing. I am a Quality Assurance professional new to NextStep and Object-Oriented Development. Any information would be appreciated.
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PDF Distiller?? Date: 16 Jul 1996 02:16:50 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <4seu2i$nln@uuneo.neosoft.com> Weren't we about to have an announcment of a distiller or two for PDF on NeXT? What products, if any, have been announced. Any users have comments on them? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love, rlove@neosoft.com (local) MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (permanent) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: c671143@showme.missouri.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: those old NeXT VHS Jobs demos Date: 16 Jul 1996 03:44:55 GMT Organization: Internet 1st, Inc Distribution: world Message-ID: <4sf37n$dvd@news1.i1.net> Working at an Apple store, I discovered that several years earlier, they had been a retail outlet for NeXT. They had stacks of videos on NeXT. Most of the tapes were Jobs demos with 3.0 on a slab. I'm know getting ready to invest in OS 4.0 for Intel. I'm curious to know if some of the apps are still around that were used in these demos. I'm guessing that some people know what I'm talking about when I mention Donald Duck and the red Ferrari. The transparent windshield in the Ferrari is what got me. Is graphics app that Jobs used in these demos still available. I hope that someone knows what I'm talking about. Thanks. Michael Roberts<-----hopefully can recieve NS mail soon c671143@showme.missouri.edu
From: c671143@showme.missouri.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: those old NeXT VHS Jobs demos Date: 16 Jul 1996 03:45:37 GMT Organization: Internet 1st, Inc Distribution: world Message-ID: <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> Working at an Apple store, I discovered that several years earlier, they had been a retail outlet for NeXT. They had stacks of videos on NeXT. Most of the tapes were Jobs demos with 3.0 on a slab. I'm now getting ready to invest in OS 4.0 for Intel. I'm curious to know if some of the apps are still around that were used in these demos. I'm guessing that some people know what I'm talking about when I mention Donald Duck and the red Ferrari. The transparent windshield in the Ferrari is what got me. Is graphics app that Jobs used in these demos still available. I hope that someone knows what I'm talking about. Thanks. Michael Roberts<-----hopefully can recieve NS mail soon c671143@showme.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19960716.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19960709.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19960709.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 16 Jul 1996 00:00:00 -0600 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: weekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. (The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ has been submitted for news.answers approval, and is waiting for same from the news.answers volunteer team.) Many FAQs can be obtained from news.answers archives: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ is posted twice monthly, with a long expiry time. If it has somehow expired on your site, you can search Usenet archives on the World Wide Web using these site (and others) http://altavista.digital.com http://www.dejanews.com search for comp.apps.spreadsheets and FAQ.
From: don@misckit.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Did NeXT OpenStepify its Apps? Date: 16 Jul 1996 07:45:07 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <4sfha3$h0j@news.xmission.com> References: <4sc73e$lli@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <DuLC2x.8Kq@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > [...] Librarian is gone completely, since there's no more IndexingKit > (but the MiscKit is taking care of that.) > At least, I think Librarian is gone. It is still there, since it can run off of the 3.3 compatability shlibs. Of course, it hasn't been OPENSTEPified. And since the MiscKit people don't have the sources to Librarian (I'm in a position to know) we're going to have to write our own Librarian. Hopefully that won't be too tough to do once we have the IXKit ported... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Have you gotten a Jaz drive to work with NeXTSTEP? Date: 16 Jul 1996 07:55:42 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <4sfhtu$gfd@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <31E5FFD7.75B6@ix.netcom.com> I think the best way to fix that problem is to do the following. At least it did work on my system (I do not guarantee that this will work on any other system). If someone in the know could confirm the procedure I'd be grateful: Login as root and type the following command: disk -q /dev/rsd1a (or rsdXa with X beeing the right number for your jaz drive) Then use the resulting name to make an entry to /etc/disktab, where the first entry in the first line is the string you got as a result of the previous command. You need to do this, since different revisions of the jaz drive will respond with a different string and the disk command uses just this string as a pointer to the correct disktab entry. My disktab entry for the jaz drive looks like this (the other strings on the first line are precaution, in case disk uses a truncated version of the string to find the correct entry). iomega jaz 1GB H.6204/0|iomega jaz 1GB H.62|iomega jaz 1GB|iomega jaz:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#3624:nt#4:ns#144:ss#512:rm#5394:\ :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#64:z1#192:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#2087104:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#32:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: or alternatively the entry from Nextanswers: iomega jaz 1GB H.6204/0|iomega jaz 1GB H.62|iomega jaz 1GB|iomega jaz:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#3584:nt#4:ns#72:ss#1024:rm#5400:\ :fp#160:bp#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#32:z1#96:ro=a\ :pa#0:sa#1032192:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#16:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: [comment: my disktab is changed from the one NeXT supplies in NextAnswers, by using more of the available space. I took whatever information was given by scsimodes on the jaz drive to build it. (The reply of the jaz drive was a bit broken, and I guessed and calculated to arrive at the above numbers). Again I'd be grateful for some confirmation by people who have more information on the layout of the jaz drive] If you have added this entry to the disktab, you can use the disk command to low-level format your drive: disk -F /dev/rsdXa and initialize your drive: disk -h yourhost -l yourdisk -i /dev/rsd1a or alternatively (after a disk -F /dev/rsdXa command) use BuildDisk on the resulting drive. (You may have to chekc on the correct installation of the Drivers before booting off the newly installed jaz cartridge). Hope that helps, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert F. Tobler - tel:+43(1)58801-4585,fax:5874932 Institute of Computer Graphics - mailto:rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Vienna University of Technology - http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~rft/
From: neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: PDF Distiller?? Date: 16 Jul 1996 08:39:43 GMT Organization: Fachbereich Informatik, TH Darmstadt, Deutschland Message-ID: <4sfkgf$1r5q@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <4seu2i$nln@uuneo.neosoft.com> Robert B. Love (rlove@neosoft.com) wrote: : Weren't we about to have an announcment of a distiller or two for PDF : on NeXT? What products, if any, have been announced. Any users have : comments on them? I seem to remember OmniGroup working on one. Also, the latest ghostscript has been reported to be able to distill PDF. Since ghostscript (unlike ghostview) does not require X Windoze, it should be an option for NeXTSTEP users, too. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "I ride tandem with a random.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // +49 6151 16-3414 fax: -5472
From: pollak@mozart.inet.co.th (Dan Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PPP for next: can'get thoughport.com to work Date: 16 Jul 1996 07:59:05 GMT Organization: Internet Thailand, Bangkok, Thailand. Message-ID: <4sfi49$jme@senior.nectec.or.th> Hi I'd like to get all the PPP software for my slab, but I can't ftp thoughtport.com (won't let me properly ftp to anonymous even if I give my e-mail address as the password) and I can't get anything via http either :-<. Any hints? thanks!
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: those old NeXT VHS Jobs demos Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:15:04 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <DuMv96.F1G@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> In article <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> c671143@showme.missouri.edu writes: > Working at an Apple store, I discovered that several years earlier, they had > been a retail outlet for NeXT. They had stacks of videos on NeXT. Most of the tapes > were Jobs demos with 3.0 on a slab. I'm now getting ready to invest in OS 4.0 for > Intel. I'm curious to know if some of the apps are still around that were used in these > demos. I'm guessing that some people know what I'm talking about when > I mention Donald Duck and the red Ferrari. The transparent windshield in the > Ferrari is what got me. Wow - Donald Duck, and the Ferrari! That was the slab/colour station/040/dimmension launch video (~1990). I think you'll find that he's running 2.0, not 3.0. [If I remember right] (the 3.0 launch featured the ferrari in an email message sent between Black and Intel hardware. Also they demo'd the 3D kit). > Is graphics app that Jobs used in these demos still > available. I hope that someone knows what I'm talking about. He was probably running Icon. A VERY scarey app that crashed continuously, was totally undocumented and a total bitch to use. It was also really great! Once you figured out how to do things in such a way that it didn't bomb out it was very powerfull. It would just about be coaxed to run under 3.0, but it's not advised. There are far better graphics apps around for NeXT, and the trick with the Ferrari should work in all of them, as Alpha is handled by the Window server, and object set so it more or less comes out for free (for those that haven't seen it - the Ferari has a mid alpha level for the windows, so when DD is placed behind the car, you can see him through the windows, suitable dimmed. Donald also makes it into some video from Star Wars on the dimension board demo). It's kinda nice that a 6 year old demo of a system thats had 2 major OS releases (if not shipments! grrrr) can still be impresive. You should'a been there. At the time it was all so cool. We were gonna change the world... $an
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: those old NeXT VHS Jobs demos Date: 16 Jul 1996 12:48:51 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Message-ID: <4sg33j$g3r@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> <DuMv96.F1G@cam-ani.co.uk> Cc: ians@cam-ani.co.uk In <DuMv96.F1G@cam-ani.co.uk> Ian Stephenson wrote: > In article <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> c671143@showme.missouri.edu writes: > > I'm guessing that some people know what I'm talking about when > > I mention Donald Duck and the red Ferrari. The transparent windshield > in the > > Ferrari is what got me. > > Wow - Donald Duck, and the Ferrari! That was the slab/colour > station/040/dimmension launch video (~1990). I think you'll find that > he's running 2.0, not 3.0. [If I remember right] > > (the 3.0 launch featured the ferrari in an email message sent between > Black and Intel hardware. Also they demo'd the 3D kit). > > > Is graphics app that Jobs used in these demos still > > available. I hope that someone knows what I'm talking about. > He was probably running Icon. A VERY scarey app that crashed > continuously, was totally undocumented and a total bitch to use. It was > also really great! Once you figured out how to do things in such a way > that it didn't bomb out it was very powerfull. It wasn't Icon.app. Jobs was running that same demo at the first NeXTWorld Expo in '91; the software in use was one of the demo/example apps. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607161231.IAA01789@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 08:31:41 -0400 Subject: Anyone have source code (patches) for WideScreen.app? Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary I do _not_ mean what is available via anonFtp Awhile back someone mentioned something about having patches for WideScreen.app.... Just curious what they were, TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: PPP for next: can'get thoughport.com to work Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960716085551.4725A-100000@charisma> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:56:57 -0400 References: <4sfi49$jme@senior.nectec.or.th> To: Dan Pollak <pollak@mozart.inet.co.th> In-Reply-To: <4sfi49$jme@senior.nectec.or.th> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Make sure you have the address AND port: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ the "8080" is very important, and was what was messing things up when I first tried this.. TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat On 16 Jul 1996, Dan Pollak wrote: > Hi > I'd like to get all the PPP software for my slab, but I can't ftp > thoughtport.com (won't let me properly ftp to anonymous even if I give my > e-mail address as the password) and I can't get anything via http either :-<. tuoso 2.0 runs with almost no major problems as far as I can tell and it really has a greate Interface. As far as features go one should also check with Andrew Stones Create. Quite amazing too (but IMHO the interface take a lot more getting used to) Otherwise I go with Steve when comparing the Mac vs. NS. If you ever sat waiting for a DFX to Freehand conversion in front of a Mac...drinking coffee for almost 1 - 2 hours...you will shake your head. Switching between apps, running 10 apps at the same time, sharing data, drag&dropping things around...etc.pp. is just so natural under NeXTSTEP that other systems are bound to drive you nuts once you got used to it. A as far as application availablilty goes I still think that NeXTSTEP lacks the quantity...but has an overall impressive quality. Once you are forced to do some work under the Win95 stuff (Corel Draw, Paint what ever...) you start to wonder why people are willing to waste their time with that. Its just a bunch of fancy hacks. Argl. Aloha Tomi
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: PPP for next: can'get thoughport.com to work Date: 16 Jul 1996 14:09:38 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <4sg7r2$d8p@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <4sfi49$jme@senior.nectec.or.th> Cc: pollak@mozart.inet.co.th In <4sfi49$jme@senior.nectec.or.th> Dan Pollak wrote: > Hi > I'd like to get all the PPP software for my slab, but I can't ftp > thoughtport.com (won't let me properly ftp to anonymous even if I give my > e-mail address as the password) and I can't get anything via http either :-<. Bummer... there does appear to be a problem. I have mailed thoughtport about this and it will hopefully be fixed soon. In the mean time, please go to one of the mirror sites: ftp.duq.edu -or- ftp.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE Hope this helps! - Steve --- ============================================================== Stephen J. Perkins | mailto:perkins@cps.msu.edu Dept. of Comp. Science | NeXT, MIME, finger for PGP Michigan State University | NeXT OS 3.3 using PPP-2.2 NeXT PPP-2.2 info at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <bjarni@fiton.is> Message-ID: <199607161520.PAA10363@next.fiton.is> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarni@fiton.is> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 15:20:08 GMT Subject: Is WebObjects Builder only compiled for OPENSTEP? Am I right or wrong, Is WebObjects Builder not available for NEXTSTEP? We have been testing WOF for two months now and we would like to use the WebObjects Builder (code named Tsunami) on NEXTSTEP. Does any one know what's happening at NeXT? Bye Bjarni
From: adwait@uh.edu (Adwait N Nerlikar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: serial port communication on next? Date: 16 Jul 1996 17:38:11 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <4sgk23$kar@masala.cc.uh.edu> I am trying to read in data over the serial port on NeXT. On the mk68 architecture machines I can read the data successfully. But when I try running the same code on an intel machine, it doesnt work! The incoming data is at 9600 baud, NO parity, 8 bits, and 1 stop bit. Can someone tell what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Adwait Nerlikar ----------C O D E----------- case 1 > int ttyPtr; ttyPtr = open("/dev/ttya", O_RDONLY); fcntl(ttyPtr, F_SETFL, FNDELAY); options.c_iflag = IGNBRK; options.c_oflag = 0; options.c_cflag = B9600 | CS8 | CREAD | CLOCAL; options.c_lflag = 0; options.c_iflag &= ~(IXON | IXOFF | IXANY); ioctl(ttyPtr, TCSANOW, &options); case 2 > char *command; int ttyPtr; ttyPtr = open("/dev/ttya", O_RDONLY); sprintf(command,"stty %d raw > %d", baudRate, ttyPtr); system (command);
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTstep 4.0 Date: 16 Jul 1996 06:07:59 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4sfbjv$jj6@kagato.its.rpi.edu> References: <4s5s9r$m3m@cocoa.brown.edu> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960712150613.14077C-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > > On 12 Jul 1996, Andrew Jones wrote: > > > When is NeXTstep 4.0 academic going to ship? > > I believe it already has..... have you called 1-800-try-next? If you call, you'll find out that you need to order the academic package from Optimal Objects. http://www.optimal-object.com/OPENSTEP/order.html Optimal Object Inc. 800-452-7608 toll free 4685 Peoria 303-799-6223 Suite 221 303-799-1435 fax Denver, CO 80239 info@optimal-object.com Disclaimer: I have no connection to optimal-object other than I just faxed in an order for NS-4.0 Academic bundle... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: those old NeXT VHS Jobs demos Date: 16 Jul 1996 06:03:31 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <4sfbbj$jj6@kagato.its.rpi.edu> References: <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> c671143@showme.missouri.edu wrote: > Working at an Apple store, I discovered that several years earlier, > they had been a retail outlet for NeXT. They had stacks of videos > on NeXT. Most of the tapes were Jobs demos with 3.0 on a slab. > I'm now getting ready to invest in OS 4.0 for Intel. I'm curious > to know if some of the apps are still around that were used in > these demos. I'm guessing that some people know what I'm talking > about when I mention Donald Duck and the red Ferrari. The > transparent windshield in the Ferrari is what got me. Is graphics > app that Jobs used in these demos still available. I hope that > someone knows what I'm talking about. Thanks. I know what you're talking about. The demo's of Display Renderman. However, I don't know what the status of it is on NeXTSTEP 4.0... (I'd pretty much bet it won't be in OpenStep for WindowsNT). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: indy@beckman.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: those old NeXT VHS Jobs demos Date: 16 Jul 1996 18:55:50 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <4sgojm$hnp@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4sf391$dvj@news1.i1.net> <DuMv96.F1G@cam-ani.co.uk> <4sg33j$g3r@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> : It wasn't Icon.app. Jobs was running that same demo at the first : NeXTWorld Expo in '91; the software in use was one of the demo/example : apps. Believe it or not, I *have* this app. It's Composite.app, and it came installed on a NeXTdimension system I bought for a client (which I'm now selling for her, btw - see c.s.n.marketplace.) The ND belonged to an executive at NeXT, so it must have come from mothership. Anyone care to advise me as to the proprieties and legalities of uploading Composite.app to the archives? -- Beckman Institute | S T E V E W E I N T Z | indy@shout.net Visualization Facility |------------------------------| NeXTMail preferred indy@.uiuc.edu | Gerunding adverbly, | 217.344.5303 217.244.3074 | Noun verbed. |
From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SCSI_Inquirer.app Date: 17 Jul 1996 01:14:30 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> I picked this up off peak a couple of weeks ago and discover it needs a license to run. However, it was written several years ago and mail to the last known addresses of the author have not generated a response. Does anybody know how to get this going? The source was released, so presumably, one could just program around it except I am not really all that familiar with ObjC. ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: SCSI_Inquirer.app Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960716211829.18152C-100000@charisma> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:20:12 -0400 References: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> To: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us In-Reply-To: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't realy know anything about that all, but I thought I might mention this: http://www.iaf.net/ Which will allow you to plug in the name of the author and see if there's a more-recent address.... I've found a few old NeXT-authors that way.... TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: ampriasm@students.wisc.edu (Andrew M. Priasmoro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Config.app Problem on Black Hardware. Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:00:06 -0400 Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: <ampriasm-1707960100060001@f180-175.net.wisc.edu> Hi, Could anyone tell me what to do if my Config.app icon is in question mark? When I tried to execute it, It said that the application is damage. Is there any way to fix this without having to reinstall the OS? Thanks. Andrew. -- Andrew Priasmoro University of Wisconsin-Madison
From: sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SCSI_Inquirer.app Date: 17 Jul 1996 00:26:26 -0700 Organization: BEST Internet Communications Message-ID: <sams.837587799@shellx> References: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> I don't know anything about SCSI_Inquirer, but perhaps some of your needs can be met by SCSI_Inspector.app by Chris Wolf and Jiro Nakamura. It lets you do more inspecting and tweaking than is probably prudent. I think I got it from the peanuts ftp archive. Mine is rev 0.519, dated 94/12/07 and it worked fine for my limited needs. -sam
From: rep@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (Ralph Eppert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Config.app Problem on Black Hardware. Date: 17 Jul 96 11:08:12 GMT Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG Message-ID: <4sihm0$80p@narses.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> References: <ampriasm-1707960100060001@f180-175.net.wisc.edu> Hi, ampriasm@students.wisc.edu (Andrew M. Priasmoro) writes: >Could anyone tell me what to do if my Config.app icon is in question mark? >When I tried to execute it, It said that the application is damage. Is there >any way to fix this without having to reinstall the OS? Thanks. No need to reinstall. Config.app is for NS/Intel only...
From: me@ljva.mit.edu (My Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: TeX Distribution for NS4.0? Date: 17 Jul 1996 15:17:04 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <4sj05g$h2r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Does anyone happen to have information on the latest NeXT TeX distribution (that I assume) comes with the latest NS4.0? What's new, what's changed, etc. Also, has LaTeX finally been upgraded to 2e for the latest distribution? Any info. would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. jv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Message-ID: <Dunnyp.BA@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> <EltKK1u00iWWA87FFb@andrew.cmu.edu> <4s5pt1$ieu@news.mr.net> <4s7jfo$djr@brockman.serv.net> <4s8he4$a81@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:35:13 GMT aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) wrote: > > I have heard from an unofficial source that NeXT did not decide to > > drop HP, but that HP asked NeXT to stop development since they thought > > is was going to interfere with their other options; namely Windows and > > their OS > > If this is true, it seems like an unbelievably short-sighted attitude by > HP. Yup. If the source of this "rumour" is not reliable...then there is no reliable source for nothing. (Btw..it was not an offical statment....but a very very offical source) > A more plausible explanation is that NS/PA sales were so small that the > development and support costs weren't close to being recouped. NeXT cannot > afford to continue losing money indefinitely despite starting with huge > amounts of capital. So rather than downsizing via personnel cuts, NeXT is > probably downsizing its product line, a much more civilized approach to > profitability. I am not really sure about all the internals in the NeXT / HP deal. But it was HP engineers working inside NeXT who have done the nasty low-level work as far as I remember (e.g. the SCSI driver should be exactly the same as used under HP/UX etc.) And so I HP made a business analysis and found that those HP engineers are not worth the product saleincrease...they just canceled the whole thing and re-focues on NT. What ever...its a sad thing so see that there is no OpenStep on HP up to now. There would have been the possiblity of putting the OpenStep libs a plain-dumb-not-to-be-shared-libs out to those customers who must stick with their HP hardware for the next few month/years...but want to do OpenStep coding. Its not a great solution...but it would be a working solution which would satisfy the customers at least a little. Aloha Tomi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199607180015.UAA02006@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 20:15:33 -0400 Subject: PPPMonitor and PPPMeter Cc: mflynn@best.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary PPPMonitor: How do you bring the connection down? There's a preference to bring it down, but no menu item or anything else. PPPMeter: Does anyone have a newer version than Version 1.0 (Sat Aug 26 1995) compiled for m68k? I tried to compiled what I think is a newer version and it died very badly. Thanks TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC and NS3.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:49:16 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Distribution: USA Message-ID: <DuKzE5.A1A@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <4s9aqm$klg@news.cloud9.net> In article <4s9aqm$klg@news.cloud9.net> vladk@escape.com (Vladimir Knajtner) writes: > What version of SoftPC runs on NS3.0 (or 3.1)? How's the performance on a > BW turbo box with 16MB RAM compared to a, say, 486 66MHz? I would like to > run standard Windows 3.1 stuff - Word, Excel, etc... On a turbo performance will be pretty sluggish compared to a modern PC. You might get poor 386 performance. The basic problem is that a turbo runs at about 25Mips, a 486 runs at about 75Mips (ball park figure), so if the emulation was 100% efficient it would run at 1/3 the speed. In practise getting veven 50% efficiency would be a miraculous achievement. The last version for black is SoftPC3.0 pro with windows (or some such! the product line was confusing back then). For DOS stuff it's not too bad, but running more modern windows apps on even a 25Mip processor is painfull. Compared to the PC's that were around when your machine shipped performance is OK, but those PC's would be dogs to use today! 3.0 will run the latest (non-95) version of Office (V6 I think), but if you don't need the latest features you'd be better of tracking down the 5.X versions, as these are about half the size, twice the speed, with 90% funtionality. These should be bareable for light use on a turbo. 3.0 is probably on one of the Demo CD's that came with 3.0 (or aroudn somewhere). If you get them demo then it should give you an idea of performance. However there's a bug if you're running 3.2 which makes windows lock up when you start it. A patch is available from www.Insignia.com to fix this. Insignia will probably act confused if you call up trying to buy this, but keep hassling, and they'll probably find you a copy. The above stuff DOES NOT APPLY to SoftPC Intel. The latest Intel version is 4.1, which runs at about 80% of the speed of your Intel box, so big 486+ speeds are easilly achieved. $an
From: Jean-Philippe VIEGAS <viegas@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,fr.comp.sys.next Subject: EOF with Oracle Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:22:36 +0200 Organization: Alcatel-alsthom recherche Message-ID: <31EE025C.2781E494@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm using Enterprise Object Framework 1.1 with nextstep 3.3, with an ORACLE Database version 7.2 (first I've been using version 7.0). Can anybody explain me why, when I generate a model file, EOF doesn't recuperate the primary keys defined in the ORACLE database ? THANKS -- ------------------------------------------------------ Jean Philippe VIEGAS alcatel alsthom recherche viegas@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr ------------------------------------------------------
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Movie.app Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:48:34 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <DuqJD0.261@cam-ani.co.uk> I recently downloaded Movie.app V3 from the archives, and was pleasently suprised to find it now supports Mpeg, Quicktime, and Avi. (I'm playing a HUGE avi as I write this, and it's really great) This is really cool. However V2.5 could cashe images, and hence achieve silly framerates even on Black hardware. This has been removed from 3.0 so it's about 100 times slower animating simple .anim files on old hardware (which is what I actually wanted to do!). Also someone has revamped the UI such that almost none of the buttons work, andd the control panel does VERY weird things (kind modal). Has anyone got a verion that combines the best of the old with the best of the new? $an
From: pollak@mozart.inet.co.th (Dan Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 'Mail MErge' to e-mail (with attachments) which app supports this? Date: 18 Jul 1996 11:22:58 GMT Organization: Internet Thailand, Bangkok, Thailand. Message-ID: <4sl6qi$31h@senior.nectec.or.th> Hello, I need to do a 'mail merge' to e-mail (and fax sometimes). Which apps support this and where can I purchase/demo them? Thanks in advance! p.s. if I send a text message with stuff like bold and italics and stuff, and I use MIME from my slab, will the receipient be able to see my bolding, italics, etc. if the recipient is using Windows, win95, winNT?
From: giddings@menominee.menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 'Mail MErge' to e-mail (with attachments) which app supports this? Date: 18 Jul 1996 13:53:38 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <4slfl2$2lie@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <4sl6qi$31h@senior.nectec.or.th> Cc: pollak@mozart.inet.co.th In <4sl6qi$31h@senior.nectec.or.th> Dan Pollak wrote: > Hello, > I need to do a 'mail merge' to e-mail (and fax sometimes). Which apps > support this and where can I purchase/demo them? There are two apps from Lighthouse that support this: OpenWrite (word processor) VarioData (flat-file database) However, I've had some bug problems with the latter that Lighthouse hasn't yet responded to. Hopefully they will at some point. Aside from those bugs, I'm happy with both. I think Stone Design's Dataphile could do this as well - last I checked it looked like another nice flat-file database program. MG -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Giddings \ For Work: Graduate Studies, Scientific Comp. UW Madison Dept. of Chemistry \ DNA sequencing Technologies Madison, Wisconsin \ DNA Fragment analysis (608) 692-2851 \ giddings@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu \ For Fun: Whitewater Kayaking UW Hoofers Water Safety Board Chair \ And anything else that gets me outdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: question about PPP in 4.0 Date: 18 Jul 1996 12:15:19 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Distribution: world Message-ID: <4sl9sn$dv4@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <4rttnq$478@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > It's the same PPP ported to NS by Stephen Perkins. NeXT has merely built > and included it with OS. No new front-ends or support for TTYDSP were added. oh dear, I hope they fixed some of the bugs that Steve, Phillip and I never managed to iron out in that case. -bat.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:15:05 -0400 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hiya I got me one of them free licenses to use JetPilotManager with my NeXTLaserPrinter. Problem is, there's something screwy because every time I try to do something with it, it says "PICK A PRINTER" or something like that. I tried to set it up per the online help, but couldn't get it going. If anyone has done this, could you please drop me a note. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- I will be away from July 20-July 27 1996 Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> http://www.nerc.com/~luomat NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Any PDF reader avaiable for NeXTSTEP? Date: 18 Jul 1996 05:59:28 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <4skjs0$40r@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960714225345.1233A-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> writes: > > Yes, several, including: > > ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/OmniPDF-2.0PR2_NIHS.tar.gz Note that pre-release #3 is available now. This is important because pre-release #2 will expire sometime this week, if I remember right. Among other places (such as peak), the latest pre-release version is available at: ftp://eclipse.its.rpi.edu/NeXT/web/OmniPDF_f/02-BETA/ (a directory which has four single-architecture archives and one quad-fat one) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: uhendjx@racer (Jonathan W. Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Date: 18 Jul 1996 21:45:27 GMT Organization: Lexis-Nexis, Dayton OH Message-ID: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <4rn3el$86i@decius.ultra.net> <4rtjjd$t0e@netty.york.ac.uk> <x7pw63j76n.fsf@tom.es.ele.tue.nl> <4s3ip9$23k@turbocat.snafu.de> <EltKK1u00iWWA87FFb@andrew.cmu.edu> <4s5pt1$ieu@news.mr.net> <4s7jfo$djr@brockman.serv.net> <4s8he4$a81@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <Dunnyp.BA@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Thomas Engel (tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org) wrote: : under HP/UX etc.) : And so I HP made a business analysis and found that those HP engineers are : not worth the product saleincrease...they just canceled the whole thing and : re-focues on NT. : What ever...its a sad thing so see that there is no OpenStep on HP up to now. : There would have been the possiblity of putting the OpenStep libs a : plain-dumb-not-to-be-shared-libs out to those customers who must stick with : their HP hardware for the next few month/years...but want to do OpenStep : coding. If HP ports NT to PA-RISC, then NeXT can port OpenStep/NT to PA-RISC, correct? (That is, should there be enough demand...) Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? -- Jonathan W. Hendry Views expressed herein do Steel Driving Software, Inc. not represent those of steeldrv@ix.netcom.com Steel Driving Software, Inc. jon@exnext.com or Lexis-Nexis
From: pinkse@shazam.econ.ubc.ca (Joris Pinkse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: omnistill pdf distiller Date: 18 Jul 1996 22:58:19 GMT Organization: Dept. of Economics - University of British Columbia Message-ID: <4smfib$i59@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> I noticed on the Omniweb home pages that they apparently have produced Omnistill, which reportedly translates ps to pdf files. That's all it says. Does anyone know anything more about this? J.
From: <73110.336@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Developers Needed Date: 19 Jul 1996 06:51:32 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Message-ID: <4snb9k$qro@lal.interserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: next programmers Content-length: 201 I need several full time employees and consultants with experience in NeXT. All levels needed If interested, pleases email me your resume Sandy Paluzzi Beacon Technical Associates, Inc.
From: raefv@kittyhawk.aero.rmit.edu.au (Francis Valentinis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: X Windows servers for openstep for mach Date: 19 Jul 1996 07:43:37 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Message-ID: <4sneb9$md8@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> I am considering moving to Openstep for mach, but have a need for a X Windows server given that I will need to run some X apps as part of my day to day work. I remember many moons ago hearing of a freely available X server for Nextstep ? Does this still exist and if so how good is it? I have seen advertising for some commercial products, could anyone elaborate on differences between the commercial and freeware products? Thanks, Francis Valentinis The Sir Lawrence Wackett Centre for Aerospace Design Technology RMIT University Australia.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: TeX Distribution for NS4.0? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Duqvrr.H4K@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:16:39 GMT References: <4sj05g$h2r@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4sj05g$h2r@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, My Account <me@ljva.mit.edu> wrote: >Does anyone happen to have information on the latest NeXT TeX distribution >(that I assume) comes with the latest NS4.0? What's new, what's changed, >etc. Also, has LaTeX finally been upgraded to 2e for the latest >distribution? Any info. would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > I strongly doubt Tomas has done anything with it; from what I gather he's not doing anything "non-mainstream" nowdays. So, if there's anything new, NeXT will have done it. The implication is left as an exercise to the reader. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: omnistill pdf distiller Date: 19 Jul 1996 09:20:59 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Message-ID: <4snk1r$gjg@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <4smfib$i59@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Cc: pinkse@shazam.econ.ubc.ca In <4smfib$i59@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Joris Pinkse wrote: > I noticed on the Omniweb home pages that they apparently have produced > Omnistill, which reportedly translates ps to pdf files. That's all it > says. Does anyone know anything more about this? Yes. Lighthouse have rights to it, and you will have to contact them for details. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:21:27 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <DusCrs.73I@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> In article <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> uhendjx@racer (Jonathan W. Hendry) writes: > If HP ports NT to PA-RISC, then NeXT can port OpenStep/NT to PA-RISC, > correct? (That is, should there be enough demand...) > > Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? Last I heard it was all but working, several years ago but was then droped for comercial reasons. $an
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:25:40 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <4so2ck$dl0@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <DusCrs.73I@cam-ani.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <DusCrs.73I@cam-ani.co.uk> On 07/19/96, Ian Stephenson wrote: > In article <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> uhendjx@racer (Jonathan > W. Hendry) writes: > > > If HP ports NT to PA-RISC, then NeXT can port OpenStep/NT to PA-RISC, > > correct? (That is, should there be enough demand...) > > > > Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? > > Last I heard it was all but working, several years ago but was then > droped for comercial reasons. > That makes me feel a bit better about NEXTSTEP being dropped "for commercial reasons"... Best wishes, mmalc. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <bjarni@fiton.is> Message-ID: <199607191308.NAA14587@next.fiton.is> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarni@fiton.is> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:08:33 GMT Subject: Still trying to find SoundWorks for mk68 Hi I have tried to find the address of the SoundWorks vendor. Some one did send me an Applelink address but I got no response. Still trying to find SoundWorks for mk68 We have lost our copy of the software and would like to use our DSP Digital ears but with out SoundWorks we can't. Please help Thank you Bjarni
From: Michael.Gentry@mci.com (Michael Gentry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Config.app Problem on Black Hardware. Date: 19 Jul 1996 14:18:35 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Message-ID: <4so5fr$rbi@news.internetmci.com> References: <ampriasm-1707960100060001@f180-175.net.wisc.edu> In-Reply-To: <ampriasm-1707960100060001@f180-175.net.wisc.edu> On 07/16/96, Andrew M. Priasmoro wrote: >Hi, > >Could anyone tell me what to do if my Config.app icon is in question >mark? When I tried to execute it, It said that the application is >damage. Is there any way to fix this without having to reinstall the >OS? Thanks. Black hardware doesn't need to be "configured". The reason you get a question mark icon is because the application doesn't contain Motorola binaries. There is no need to re-install the OS because you still won't be able to run the application. If you really want to "fix" it, delete it from your drive to free up some space. :) Hmm ... I wonder if I have done this yet ... - mrg -- Why does an extra hour of sleep last only ten minutes?
From: csward@sunset (Reagen Bailey Ward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: 2Gig Limit..is it dead in 4.0? Date: 19 Jul 1996 16:21:56 GMT Organization: University of Mississippi NDES Message-ID: <4socn4$fa7@nntp2.backbone.olemiss.edu> References: <4rhivd$ldd@news3.digex.net> <4rihpu$3k8@op1d56cmp.il.us.swissbank.com> <4rntme$ve@marsu.navigator.schwaben.com> > Partitions bigger than two gig are held on the filesystem servers which > are no NeXTs. There is no hardware around running NS/OS for Mach which is > fit for the job. No hardware, eh? I think a 735 with 256mb (NS's limit) is quite a nice server. Makes a fine little disk or compute server.
From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SCSI_Inquirer.app Date: 19 Jul 1996 17:14:01 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Message-ID: <4sofop$44@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> <sams.837587799@shellx> sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) writes: >I don't know anything about SCSI_Inquirer, but perhaps some >of your needs can be met by SCSI_Inspector.app by Chris Wolf >and Jiro Nakamura. It lets you do more inspecting and >tweaking than is probably prudent. I think I got it >from the peanuts ftp archive. Mine is rev 0.519, dated >94/12/07 and it worked fine for my limited needs. I'd advise caution, especially if you have black hardware! Using SCSI_Inspector.app, I trashed my disks; I ended up doing a low-level reformat to fix the damage. There were two versions of the software that I used. The earlier (September '94) version correctly reported the disk parameters, but the benchmarks sent my machine into panics and trashed the disk. The later version seemed okay with the benchmarks, but I got zeros for most of the disk parameters. But it did seem to be successful in turning on the caches. I *think* this was the version Sam mentions (from December '94). Now, this is just my experience, on a black slab. My advice is: if you use the earlier version on black hardware, stay away from the benchmarks! David Finton finton@cs.wisc.edu
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: 19 Jul 1996 17:13:28 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> Jonathan W. Hendry writes > > If HP ports NT to PA-RISC, then NeXT can port OpenStep/NT to PA-RISC, > correct? (That is, should there be enough demand...) > > Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? > I'd guess you'll see NT/PA-RISC around the same time Hell freezes over. One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). In any case, what would be the motivation for HP to do the port? It's not like DEC or MIPS have been burning up the charts with Risc NT system sales... -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: ad244@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Orrin C. Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NoteBook from Millenium Software Date: 19 Jul 1996 16:58:23 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Sender: ad244@freenet6.carleton.ca (Orrin C. Kerr) Message-ID: <4soerf$h2b@freenet-news.carleton.ca> I'm looking for an upgrade to the NoteBook application that was produced by Millennium Software Labs, but I can't get in touch with them. Have they folded? If they are out of the picture, then does any other company taken over the NoteBook app or produce a similar functionality in another app? TIA -- Orrin C. Kerr ad244@freenet.carleton.ca All opinions expressed are my own and not the responsibility of my innocent employer (who shall remain nameless)(but it's gummint).
From: jch@old-cube.philosophy.pitt.edu (John Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NoteBook from Millenium Software Date: 19 Jul 1996 18:01:59 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <4soiin$j07@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <4soerf$h2b@freenet-news.carleton.ca> In article <4soerf$h2b@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, Orrin C. Kerr <ad244@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote: > >I'm looking for an upgrade to the NoteBook application that was produced >by Millennium Software Labs, but I can't get in touch with them. Have >they folded? > >If they are out of the picture, then does any other company taken over the >NoteBook app or produce a similar functionality in another app? I have a related question: If Millenium is "out of the picture", and if no one else is selling Notebook commercially, is there any chance that the original version is now shareware or freeware? Does anybody have keys to unlock the old demos? It's a pretty neat app. Thanks, John haugelan+@pitt.edu
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NoteBook from Millenium Software Date: 19 Jul 1996 18:32:03 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <4sokb3$pp4@news4.digex.net> References: <4soerf$h2b@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <4soiin$j07@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> jch@old-cube.philosophy.pitt.edu (John Haugeland) wrote: > I have a related question: If Millenium is "out of the picture", and if no one else is selling Notebook commercially, is there any chance that the original version is now shareware or freeware? Does anybody have keys to unlock the old demos? It's a pretty neat app. This comes up from time to time... No, unless the author's/copyright owners explicitly donate it into the public domain, it is not so available. As a copyright owner, you can lock the thing up in a vault for the term of the copyright and no one has a right to it. (anyway, that's the understanding from law school :) So in essance, when a product is has stopped selling, it has become a limited edition item, and only previously sold copies can be re-sold... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit )^> %^) =^) monoChrome, Inc. | New York Law School NEXTSTEP Developer | Opinions expressed represent me only MIME, SUN, & NeXTmail OK | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net | Telepathy...It's coming...
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NoteBook from Millenium Software Date: 19 Jul 1996 18:13:23 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <4soj83$f6l@shelob.afs.com> References: <4soerf$h2b@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Orrin C. Kerr writes > > I'm looking for an upgrade to the NoteBook application that was produced > by Millennium Software Labs, but I can't get in touch with them. Have > they folded? No, they sort of metamorphized. Jayson and Scott started a new company called Farcast to deliver custom news feeds over the net, and they just sold out to another net company. I don't think they have supported any of their NeXT apps for some time. I remember about a year ago, they contacted me (and presumably others) with a ridiculous price to buy those apps, and I'm sure no one bit. NoteBook is an orphan, I'd guess. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "I wander'd off by myself, In the Crystal Ball/Star Gazer | mystical moist night-air, and from Anderson Financial Systems | time to time, Look'd up in perfect greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | silence at the stars." Walt Whitman
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:17:42 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <glvxxKi00iV9Q6_IJn@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> In-Reply-To: <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 19-Jul-96 Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was:.. by Mark Bessey@next.com >> Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? > > I'd guess you'll see NT/PA-RISC around the same time Hell freezes over. Well put! :-) > One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only > run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). Microsoft appears to be incapable of writing truly portable code. I would assume that in order to make NT endian-independant, Microsoft would have to fix everything from their compiler system, to the calling conventions and argument layouts, to all of their library routines which assumed Intel byte ordering, and to the applications and end-user software included with NT. It's much easier for Microsoft to tell CPU makers that they need to make little-endian or endian-swapping CPU's if they want their CPU's to run Microsoft software. Perhaps Microsoft should hire some of the people who have made NEXTSTEP endian-independant. While I have my complaints about NS, the porting done to support CPU's of either endianness, the compiler system, and the MAB support were both well done and elegantly implemented. > In any case, what would be the motivation for HP to do the port? It's not > like DEC or MIPS have been burning up the charts with > Risc NT system sales... You're very correct-- HP has no reason to be motivated. HP appears to want to switch from promoting their HP_PA architecture and refocus on selling Intel PC clones, instead. (Scan through http://www.hp.com/pressrel/home.html and compare ht number of times Intel_PC related keywords appear versus HP_PA related keywords do.) It's very unfortunate that people with HP hardware are pretty much SOL in terms of available operating systems, especially if they got their HP hardware to run NEXTSTEP. If Linux and Afterstep were ported to the HP_PA, that might serve as a superior environment to HP/UX. Except that I wouldn't wish anyone, even Linus, to have to deal with the HP_PA calling conventions. :-) -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: jdavis@spdc.ti.com (Joe Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Q: anyone have something like Quicken? Date: 19 Jul 1996 20:06:01 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Inc. Message-ID: <4sopr9$595@cauldron.spdc.ti.com> Has anyone developed something for performing the equivalent functionality of Quicken under NextStep? I would like to try to organize my cash flow. anything from a style macro for a spreadsheed to a program would be welcome. thank you very much. regards, jcd -- Joseph C. Davis, Ph.D. Texas Instruments, Inc Process Flow Synthesis P.O. Box 655012, MS 457 (214) 927-3805 Dallas, TX 75265
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SCSI_Inquirer.app Date: 19 Jul 1996 20:50:24 GMT Organization: frazer.com Message-ID: <jbf-1904042016530001@news.tiac.net> References: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> <sams.837587799@shellx> In article <sams.837587799@shellx>, sams@best.com (Samuel G. Streeper) wrote: > I don't know anything about SCSI_Inquirer, but perhaps some > of your needs can be met by SCSI_Inspector.app by Chris Wolf > and Jiro Nakamura. As I recall, Inquirer is the original version, modified by Wolf.
From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Q: anyone have something like Quicken? Date: 19 Jul 1996 21:21:48 GMT Organization: ALI Message-ID: <4sou9c$lps@cetus.ali.bc.ca> References: <4sopr9$595@cauldron.spdc.ti.com> Cc: jdavis@spdc.ti.com In comp.sys.next.software Joe Davis wrote: > > Has anyone developed something for performing the equivalent functionality > of Quicken under NextStep? I would like to try to organize my cash flow. > > anything from a style macro for a spreadsheed to a program would be > welcome. Check out the CheckSum demo on the archives. -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Message-ID: <DutBxq.Ao@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:01:01 GMT Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) wrote: > I'd guess you'll see NT/PA-RISC around the same time Hell freezes over. > One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only > run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). In any case, what > would be the motivation for HP to do the port? It's not like DEC or MIPS > have been burning up the charts with Risc NT system sales... Yup...but like DEC, MIPS and PPC instead of porting the software HP will be porting its hardware to support little endian code as well. Or isn't that what the HP - Intel merger will be about ? And I figured its easier to develop software then hardware...puuh..silly me...guess I'm going to burn my next app right into a processor...maybe its really easier :-) Aloha Tomi
From: mark@nextstep.cm.nctu.edu.tw (Lin Yi-chih) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: 20 Jul 1996 12:43:36 GMT Organization: ²M΅Ψ€jΎΗΉqΎχ¨t News Server Distribution: World Message-ID: <4sqk9o$dvd@news.ee.nthu.edu.tw> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> In article <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> uhendjx@racer (Jonathan W. Hendry) writes: > If HP ports NT to PA-RISC, then NeXT can port OpenStep/NT to PA-RISC, > correct? (That is, should there be enough demand...) > Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? DEC have NT running on their Alpha machine. Is there OpenStep/NT for DEC Alpha ?
From: garmstro@worldgate.com (Glen W. Armstrong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Compiling suck 3.1.0 on NEXTSTEP 3.2 Date: 20 Jul 1996 14:22:19 GMT Organization: WorldGate Inc. Message-ID: <4sqq2r$al2@scanner.worldgate.com> I'm trying to make suck 3.1.0 (a program that grabs news from an NNTP server) on a NEXTSTEP 3.2 system. The following errors come up. Has anyone successfully compiled the program? Any idea how I can make this work? --glen garmstro[suck-3.1.0]$ make cc -c -g -O -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wcast-qual -Wtraditional -Wshadow -Waggregate-return -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -Wmissing-declarations -ansi -pedantic -DSUCKVER=3 -DSUCKVER_MINOR=1 -DSUCKVER_PATCH=0 -I. -I. -Ibsd -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DHISTORY_FILE=\"/usr/lib/news/history\" suck.c suck.c:744: undefined type, found `DIR' suck.c:784: undefined type, found `DIR' -- Glen W. Armstrong email: garmstro@worldgate.com Edmonton, Alberta phone: (403)437-4932
From: Holger.Hoffstaette@schwaben.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: omnistill pdf distiller Date: 19 Jul 1996 12:22:22 GMT Organization: home Message-ID: <4snulu$sg8@gate.seicom.net> References: <4smfib$i59@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <4snk1r$gjg@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Paul Lynch wrote: > In <4smfib$i59@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Joris Pinkse wrote: > > I noticed on the Omniweb home pages that they apparently have produced > > Omnistill, which reportedly translates ps to pdf files. That's all it > > says. Does anyone know anything more about this? > > Yes. Lighthouse have rights to it, and you will have to contact them for > details. Which will have most probably no effect at all. But hey, Ghostscript 4.0 with ps2pdf works fine, although the result is most often ridiculously obese; unUNISYSified LZW stuff is on its way, so just wait a little longer.. Holger -- Holger Hoffstδtte // Holger.Hoffstaette@schwaben.de (MIME/NeXT/Sun/PGP)
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SCSI_Inquirer.app Date: 20 Jul 1996 20:31:14 GMT Organization: frazer.com Message-ID: <jbf-2004041957430001@news.tiac.net> References: <4shepm$92l@dropit.pgh.net> <sams.837587799@shellx> <4sofop$44@spool.cs.wisc.edu> In article <4sofop$44@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) wrote: > The later version seemed okay with the benchmarks, but I got > zeros for most of the disk parameters. But it did seem to be > successful in turning on the caches. I *think* this was the > version Sam mentions (from December '94). > > Now, this is just my experience, on a black slab. My advice is: > if you use the earlier version on black hardware, stay away from > the benchmarks! I had exactly the same experience with the same versions. Pity the latest one was never completed. I gather this sort of tool is available under DOS,but black users are out of luck. Barney
From: florian@cadvision.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Want to buy NeXT Step OS Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:23:24 GMT Organization: CADVision Message-ID: <4srij3$fag@elmo.cadvision.com> Hello, I am very interested in NeXTStep OS and I would like to buy NeXTStep Academic Bundle (I am a Student) or full version for Intel platforms. I would like also to get more info or even demo of NeXTStep, can someone help me ? Thanx Ondrej Florian please email to: florian@cadvisoon.com
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Date: 20 Jul 1996 15:45:29 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <4squup$4bk@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: >I got me one of them free licenses to use JetPilotManager with my >NeXTLaserPrinter. > >Problem is, there's something screwy because every time I try to do >something with it, it says "PICK A PRINTER" or something like that. I tried it on NS3.2 black and it just did not work. After installation I started a print job which dissappeared in nirvana without any comments on console or elsewhere. I had no problems in installation but I can get no paper to come out of the printer. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: 20 Jul 1996 20:08:18 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <4srsdi$354@rac2.wam.umd.edu> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> <DutBxq.Ao@shinto.nbg.sub.org> In article <DutBxq.Ao@shinto.nbg.sub.org>, Thomas Engel <tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org> wrote: >Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) wrote: >> I'd guess you'll see NT/PA-RISC around the same time Hell freezes over. >> One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only >> run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). In any case, what >> would be the motivation for HP to do the port? It's not like DEC or MIPS >> have been burning up the charts with Risc NT system sales... > >Yup...but like DEC, MIPS and PPC instead of porting the software HP will be >porting its hardware to support little endian code as well. >Or isn't that what the HP - Intel merger will be about ? I may be mistaken, but I thought the 7200 and 8000 supported endian swapping at boot time. No?
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Date: 21 Jul 1996 02:15:19 GMT Organization: iSTAR internet inc. Message-ID: <4ss3rn$6a9@news.istar.ca> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> <4squup$4bk@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> In-Reply-To: <4squup$4bk@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> On 07/20/96, Michael Pieper wrote: >"Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: >>I got me one of them free licenses to use JetPilotManager with my >>NeXTLaserPrinter. > >I tried it on NS3.2 black and it just did not work. After >installation I started a print job which dissappeared in nirvana >without any comments on console or elsewhere. > >I had no problems in installation but I can get no paper to come out >of the printer. Ditto. I was looking forward to trying the application with my NeXT Laser, but anything I tried to print vanished into the ether. I didn't apply for the free licence, assuming that printing would work in the demo mode. Jean-Paul Samson jsamson@istar.ca -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul Samson -==- jsamson@istar.ca -==- NeXTmail welcome, no MIME -===================================================================-
From: schaub@tamu.edu (Hanspeter Schaub) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Date: 21 Jul 1996 04:13:36 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Message-ID: <4ssapg$1hs@news.tamu.edu> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> <4squup$4bk@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> In-Reply-To: <4squup$4bk@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> On 07/20/96, Michael Pieper wrote: >"Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: >>I got me one of them free licenses to use JetPilotManager with my >>NeXTLaserPrinter. >> >>Problem is, there's something screwy because every time I try to do >>something with it, it says "PICK A PRINTER" or something like that. > >I tried it on NS3.2 black and it just did not work. After installation I >started a print job which dissappeared in nirvana without any comments on >console or elsewhere. > >I had no problems in installation but I can get no paper to come out of the >printer. > Same here, I even got the free demo licence, but couldn't get it to work (print anything) on my NS3.2 system. HP -- Hanspeter Schaub Ph.D. Graduate Research Assistant Aerospace Engineering Department Texas A&M University http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~schaub schaub@tamu.edu (NeXTmail welcome) We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! WE CAN LEARN TO FLY! -Jonathon Livingston Seagull
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:18:30 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul21.061830.15761@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4ssapg$1hs@news.tamu.edu> In article <4ssapg$1hs@news.tamu.edu> schaub@tamu.edu (Hanspeter Schaub) writes: > On 07/20/96, Michael Pieper wrote: > >"Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > >>I got me one of them free licenses to use JetPilotManager with my > >>NeXTLaserPrinter. > >> > >>Problem is, there's something screwy because every time I try to do > >>something with it, it says "PICK A PRINTER" or something like that. > > > >I tried it on NS3.2 black and it just did not work. After installation I > >started a print job which dissappeared in nirvana without any comments on > >console or elsewhere. > > > >I had no problems in installation but I can get no paper to come out of the > >printer. > > Same here, I even got the free demo licence, but couldn't get it to work > (print anything) on my NS3.2 system. FWIW, we installed the black printer upgrade to JetPilot on our 3.2 system, and it prints fine, both with and without the demo license. The manager app doesn't seem to work quite right, though. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TeX Distribution for NS4.0? Date: 20 Jul 1996 23:07:14 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <4sror2$1ls@turbocat.snafu.de> References: <4sj05g$h2r@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> <Duqvrr.H4K@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > I strongly doubt Tomas has done anything with it; from what I gather he's not > doing anything "non-mainstream" nowdays. So, if there's anything new, NeXT > will have done it. The implication is left as an exercise to the reader. I asked him a while ago. He is not going to make a new TeXview. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.snafu.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: florian@cadvision.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Info needed Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:54:56 GMT Organization: CADVision Message-ID: <4ssnj8$1kdu@elmo.cadvision.com> Hello, I am concidering to buy NeXTStep OS Academic bundle and I would like to know what is the difference between full version and this one. Also, is NeXT binary or source compatible with any other Unix system (BSD, SCO, AIX, etc.) ? And if it is ,is it possible to just recompile let's say Free86 X Windows system and run applications under it ? Also I have a question abou hardware needs. In some info about NeXT it is written that it will run confortably in 16bpp on 16MB x86 system. Is it true or is it kind of the same trick like with WinNT where confortable size should be aaround 12MB or so, but in fact you need a bit more (24MB or so) to run it trully confortably ? thank you very much for your help Ondrej Florian - currently Unix/Linux, Win NT and OS/2 user florian@cadvision.com
From: David_Webster@scmolec.demon.co.uk (Dr David Michael Webster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Bibliography Software Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:59:03 GMT Message-ID: <837943143.23153.0@scmolec.demon.co.uk> Does anyone know if there is an app to store/manipulate references maybe even recognise EMBASE, ISI formats etc. Thanks -- David -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David M Webster <David_Webster@scmolec.demon.co.uk> Southern Cross Molecular Ltd +44 (0)1225 722896 NeXTmail + MIME accepted ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Still trying to find SoundWorks for mk68 Message-ID: <DuvzJI.Mu@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <199607191308.NAA14587@next.fiton.is> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:26:06 GMT In article <199607191308.NAA14587@next.fiton.is> writes: > Hi I have tried to find the address of the SoundWorks vendor. > Some one did send me an Applelink address but I got no response. > > Still trying to find SoundWorks for mk68 > > We have lost our copy of the software and would like to use our DSP > Digital ears but with out SoundWorks we can't. > My version (3.0) is stating the E-mail address as <metaresearch.com>. Give it a try. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: jmeacham@mv.com (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Bibliography Software Date: 21 Jul 1996 17:03:04 GMT Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY 12866 Message-ID: <4stns8$pti@saims.skidmore.edu> References: <837943143.23153.0@scmolec.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <837943143.23153.0@scmolec.demon.co.uk> On 07/21/96, Dr David Michael Webster wrote: >Does anyone know if there is an app to store/manipulate references >maybe even recognise EMBASE, ISI formats etc. > >Thanks > >-- David Bibliography.app, which is a LaTeX based bibliography program, written by Heinrich Geisen, is a wonderful program. It requires you have TeX installed, but it is well worth installing TeX for this program alone. IT is available at the archives (next-ftp.peak.org, peanuts.leo.org) Enjoy, JAmes -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
From: andydunn@op.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTime Date: 21 Jul 1996 19:54:05 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Message-ID: <4su1st$ocq@picasso.op.net> What are the requirements for running NeXTime? Anybody have it running on a mono slab running NS 3.0 or 3.1? Thanks, andydunn@op.net
From: Wishneusky <shneusky@ma.ultranet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTstep on Mac -dumb Mac user Date: 21 Jul 1996 21:11:02 GMT Organization: --------- Distribution: world Message-ID: <4su6d6$du1@decius.ultra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a Mac, and I've heard that NeXTstep is a pretty good OS. Is there a version that will run on a Macintosh? Also, will Mac applications run on a NeXT computer or a Mac running NeXTstep? -a stupid Mac user (Adam Wishneusky) email: shneusky@ma.ultranet.com
From: Noel Bush <noel@nobumakoe.escape.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: How Do You Set the Screen Dim Time in NS3.2? Date: 22 Jul 1996 00:15:12 GMT Organization: Cloud 9 Internet, White Plains, NY, USA Message-ID: <4suh6g$90a@news.cloud9.net> I know there must be an easy answer to this question. The only default I can find (with dread -l) is something called "NeXT1 AutoDimTime", which seems to affect the time-'til-dim for when I'm logged in, but when I'm logged out I have to let my loginwindow sit for about half an hour until it changes to the screensaver (or else just dim the monitor "manually"). What a pain. :::-) Anybody know how this is done? (I know it's in the Preferences in 3.3.....) Thanks ==== Noel Bush <nobumako@escape.com> (NeXTmail, MIME A-OK!) ==== Brooklyn NY
From: wxli@harpy.ualr.edu (Wei Li) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS 3.3 fax modem selection problem Date: 22 Jul 1996 03:45:15 GMT Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Message-ID: <4sutgb$qg1@news.ualr.edu> When I tried to select a fax modem from the FAX panel, I got a blank window with no selections at all. How can I select a fax modem in order to send/receive fax in NS3.3? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -wei, wli@cs.uah.edu
From: wxli@harpy.ualr.edu (Wei Li) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: g++ v2.7.2 on NS3.3 problem Date: 22 Jul 1996 03:50:50 GMT Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Message-ID: <4sutqq$qm0@news.ualr.edu> Has anyone installed and used g++ version 2.7.2 on NS3.3 successfully? I am having trouble using g++ after the installation. I wonder if I did something wrong during the installation. My problem can be summarized as follow: The steps that I have taken to install the compilers are: %configure %make %make install %make g++ %make g++ instal %cp -R /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/m68k-next-nextstep3/2.7.2/include/g++/* \ /usr/local/lib/g++-include I then tried to compile the following example program: #include <iostream.h> main() { cout << "Hello World\n"; } I then got the following compiler error messages: g++ main.cc In file included from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/streambuf.h:35, from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/iostream.h:32, from main.cc:6: /usr/local/lib/g++-include/libio.h:36: _G_config.h: No such file or directory Could you please help me figure out what I did wrong? Thanks. -wei, wli@cs.uah.edu
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: NEXTSTEP Resources on the Internet Date: 22 Jul 1996 04:15:10 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4suv8e$c8d@digifix.digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Software, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - 150+ ISV company pages - 350+ ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - NEXTSTEP User Group Directory - comp.sys.next archives - User Group information - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Software, Inc. 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From: steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (Steven Trainoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Date: 22 Jul 1996 09:04:50 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Message-ID: <4svg7i$rr@yuggoth.ucsb.edu> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> Cc: luomat@nerc.com In <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" wrote: > > Hiya > > I got me one of them free licenses to use JetPilotManager with my > NeXTLaserPrinter. > > Problem is, there's something screwy because every time I try to do > something with it, it says "PICK A PRINTER" or something like that. > > I tried to set it up per the online help, but couldn't get it going. > > If anyone has done this, could you please drop me a note. > > Thanks > I had the same problem. The instructions are really poor. The trick is to go to PrintManager.app and install a "new" printer of type "JP NXLaser" using the Communications option of IPCNXL. Then the next laser using the JetPilot driver will appear in the print panel as well as the "PICK A PRINTER" box. -- ...STeve ------------------------------------ Insert pithy maxim here... steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (NeXT mail, MIME mail welcome)
From: Noel Ambroise SPINEC <spinec.noel@wiesbaden.netsurf.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Compiling suck 3.1.0 on NEXTSTEP 3.2 Date: 21 Jul 1996 20:36:56 GMT Organization: Vistec GmbH Message-ID: <4su4d8$1uf@shyboy.wiesbaden.netsurf.de> References: <4sqq2r$al2@scanner.worldgate.com> Return-path: spinec.noel@wiesbaden.netsurf.de garmstro@worldgate.com (Glen W. Armstrong) wrote: > cc -c -g -O -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align > -Wcast-qual -Wtraditional -Wshadow -Waggregate-return -Wmissing-prototypes > -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -Wmissing-declarations > -ansi -pedantic -DSUCKVER=3 -DSUCKVER_MINOR=1 -DSUCKVER_PATCH=0 -I. -I. -Ibsd > -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DHISTORY_FILE=\"/usr/lib/news/history\" suck.c > suck.c:744: undefined type, found `DIR' > suck.c:784: undefined type, found `DIR' > you need to include <sys/dir.h> also -- --------------------------------------------------------- Noel "o-<:-{{{" Ambroise SPINEC a french man in GERMANY from Wiesbaden (Germany) internet : spinec.noel@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (NeXtMail, MIME ok) ---------------------------------------------------------
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:29:55 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.960722132058.3874C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com><4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> <glvxxKi00iV9Q6_IJn@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <glvxxKi00iV9Q6_IJn@andrew.cmu.edu> On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Charles William Swiger wrote: > > One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only > > run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). > > Microsoft appears to be incapable of writing truly portable code. > As Dave Cutler states in the book: Windows NT inside, it is and was one of the big concepts of Windows NT to be highly portable. In fact I believe NT is highly portable. See further note ... > I would assume that in order to make NT endian-independant, Microsoft > would have to fix everything from their compiler system, to the calling > conventions and argument layouts, to all of their library routines which > assumed Intel byte ordering, and to the applications and end-user > software included with NT. > ... It is not a problem of porting the kernel. I believe it's a problem of portinge drivers etc. All the interfaces dealing with the hardware environment do have to take endian issues into concern. E.g. under NEXTSTEP you easily run into problems porting e.g. SCSI interfaces. With NeXT hardware you use big endian with Intel you use little endian and with HP you use big endian with special alignments. Therefore it isn't even a easy task to just do a query on the SCSI devices (devices independent!). You have to supply code for all different CPU architectures. IMHO it would be much better to use just only one memory architecture. Porting issues mostly deal with these questions. > If Linux and Afterstep were ported to the HP_PA, that might serve as a > superior environment to HP/UX. Except that I wouldn't wish anyone, even > Linus, to have to deal with the HP_PA calling conventions. :-) > I just add: Alignment. Greetings, Boerny. -- Bernhard Scholz (IRC: Boerny) scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de http://peanuts.leo.org/ http://www.leo.org/~scholz/
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:52:34 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <Duxy7n.7pD@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> In article <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) writes: > you'll see NT/PA-RISC around the same time Hell freezes over. I've got friends who have seen it (and used it). It's real. It exists. It was thrown away SEVERAL years ago. > One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only > run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). Cause MS are stupid. In any case HP did an endian switch to accomodate MS's ineptitude. > In any case, what > would be the motivation for HP to do the port? I suspect that's the conclusion they came to, which is why they canned a virtually "ready to ship" product. $an
From: cello@virgil.harvard.edu (Sean Varah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Still trying to find SoundWorks for mk68 Date: 22 Jul 1996 14:43:49 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Message-ID: <4t0435$1cq@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> References: <199607191308.NAA14587@next.fiton.is> <DuvzJI.Mu@nidat.sub.org> Peter Nitezki (Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org) wrote: : In article <199607191308.NAA14587@next.fiton.is> writes: : > Hi I have tried to find the address of the SoundWorks vendor. : > Some one did send me an Applelink address but I got no response. : > We have lost our copy of the software and would like to use our DSP : > Digital ears but with out SoundWorks we can't. In the good old days, when we had reliable sound performance under NeXTStep, we used sndrecord -d for dsp to record directly from the DSP port. On M68K hardware I believe this still works. Give it a try. That way, you don't need the MetaResearch software to record from the DSP. It's also a LOT nicer on your swap file recording this way. Sean - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sean Varah Harvard Computer Music Studio cello@mario.harvard.edu, http://www-mario.harvard.edu NeXTMail Welcome - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How Do You Set the Screen Dim Time in NS3.2? Date: 22 Jul 1996 14:55:47 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <4t04pj$54j@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <4suh6g$90a@news.cloud9.net> In article <4suh6g$90a@news.cloud9.net> Noel Bush <noel@nobumakoe.escape.com> writes: > Anybody know how this is done? (I know it's in the Preferences in 3.3.....) As root (!!!) type this into a Terminal window: dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 300 (specified time is in seconds, 300 above thus means 5 minutes) Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Email:droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:29:15 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <UlwulP600iWP84IdNi@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com><4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> <glvxxKi00iV9Q6_IJn@andrew.cmu.edu> <Pine.HPP.3.95.960722132058.3874C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.95.960722132058.3874C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 22-Jul-96 Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was:.. by Bernhard Scholz@informat >> Microsoft appears to be incapable of writing truly portable code. > > As Dave Cutler states in the book: Windows NT inside, it is and was one of > the big concepts of Windows NT to be highly portable. In fact I believe NT > is highly portable. See further note ... NT does not run on big-endian machines. Whatever the reasons, whether it involves one C function or the entire OS, if the source code is not endian-independant, it simply is not "highly portable". If Dave Cutler claims otherwise, he's wrong. >> I would assume that in order to make NT endian-independant, Microsoft >> would have to fix everything from their compiler system, to the calling >> conventions and argument layouts, to all of their library routines which >> assumed Intel byte ordering, and to the applications and end-user >> software included with NT. > > ... It is not a problem of porting the kernel. I believe it's a problem of > portinge drivers etc. All the interfaces dealing with the hardware > environment do have to take endian issues into concern. All interfaces with deal with the native hardware directly are machine-specific, anyway. What's the big deal? > E.g. under NEXTSTEP you easily run into problems porting e.g. SCSI > interfaces. NeXT managed. It's a pain to have to wrap all data accesses, but it just isn't that complex to do. For example, NeXT's modified version of gdb has these macros that will understand 4-byte long data from both big-endian and little-endian machines, regardless of whether you are running gdb on a big-endian or a little-endian system: #define REALLY_SWAP_LONG(a) ( ((a) << 24) | \ (((a) << 8) & 0x00ff0000) | \ (((a) >> 8) & 0x0000ff00) | \ ((unsigned long)(a) >> 24) ) #define SWAP_LONG(a) (shouldSwap ? REALLY_SWAP_LONG(a) : (a)) > With NeXT hardware you use big endian with Intel you use little endian and > with HP you use big endian with special alignments. HP doesn't have any unusual alignment constraints-- in fact, HP's follow what is known as the "natural" alignment requirements, which simply means that a data type of size n bytes must be aligned on an n-byte boundary. It's easier to design CPU's (and address busses, and caches, et cetera) to require native alignment, and such a design will generally be faster than CPU's which can handle unaligned accesses-- especially if they handle them via kernal traps! > Therefore it isn't even a easy task to just do a query on the SCSI devices > (devices independent!). You have to supply code for all different CPU > architectures. IMHO it would be much better to use just only one memory > architecture. Porting issues mostly deal with these questions. I'm sure Microsoft is of that opinion, too. No doubt they'd love everyone to revert to the segmented memory architecture of the Intel x86. >> If Linux and Afterstep were ported to the HP_PA, that might serve as a >> superior environment to HP/UX. Except that I wouldn't wish anyone, even >> Linus, to have to deal with the HP_PA calling conventions. :-) > > I just add: Alignment. HP_PA alignment restrictions are trivial to deal with. Honestly. The problems come in when you realize that the caller will create the callee's stack frame, if the callee is not a leaf procedure (otherwise the callee just uses the caller's stack frame), or dealing with the stub routines and the 12-step (14-step? I'm doing this from memory) calling convention for non-local proceedures since they change the space registers (rls, sr0, sr4 from the unwind record), or dealing with microcode routines, etc. HP literally needed to publish a book just to describe the calling conventions. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: iggi (Ignacio Soriano) Subject: OPENSTEP NT and Open GL support Message-ID: <Duwz4E.587@ferenghi.ruhr.de> Sender: iggi@ferenghi.ruhr.de (Ignacio Soriano) Organization: NEXTSTEP / OPENSTEP powered Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:14:37 GMT Hi Folks ! Will it be possible under OS 4.0 NT to access the Open GL capabilities of NT ? bye iggi e-mail : iggi@ferenghi.ruhr.de ( NeXTmail welcome )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: klaus@cruella.interpc.de (Klaus Bscheid) Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Message-ID: <Duy2Iu.7E9@interpc.de> Sender: usenet@interpc.de Cc: luomat@nerc.com Organization: interpersonal-computing GmbH References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:25:42 GMT Hi everyone I guess I have to say something about our free JetPilot4NeXT. After installation of JetPilotDriver and JetPilotManager package you have to start JetPilotManager and enter a license. If you don't have a full license you can use the demo license. If you like to get a full license for your NeXT Laser, go into Info->Order panel and mail us an order. You will receive a license without any charge within one or two days. On some systems the demo license won't work. So if you just get an alert panel which tells you that you will find some nifty background images on your page but nothings comes out of your printer, order a free license and JetPilot4NeXT will work fine. Now before you can use the JetPilot4NeXT you have to install a printer via PrinterManger. So start PrinterManger push new printer and select the JP_NXLaser printer with the IPCNXL Comm interface. After that a JetPilot4NeXT printer should be available one your system or network. Now what's the benefits about using JetPilot4NeXT: JetPilot4NeXT brings you some but not all of the JetPilot features. It brings you 3 different dithering methods. It brings you gamma correction and it brings you the printer accounting stuff. All the other JetPilot features are NOT available, so you wont make any settings for them in the JetPilotManager. BTW: JetPilotManager has a OnlineHelp which should answer most of your question. But if you doesn't find an answer to your questions feel free to contact me. have a nice day --- _____________________________________________________________________ interpersonal-computing E-Mail : klaus@interpc.de NeXT Center Munich NeXT Mail, MIME accepted (< 20 kB int.) Germany / Bavaria URL : http://www.ipc.de Oettingenstrasse 2 Tel. : ++49 (0)89 219975 0 80538 Muenchen Fax. : ++49 (0)89 219975 55
From: randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Fax Modem question Date: 22 Jul 1996 19:50:55 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <4t0m2v$c12@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> My understanding is that internal faxmodems are not compatible with NeXTStep for the intel. Is this true? And if so, would someone please tell me why (other than that there isn't an adequate market to make it worth a vendor's time? Thanks. Randy -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: How Do You Set the Screen Dim Time in NS3.2? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Duy76z.BsA@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:06:35 GMT References: <4suh6g$90a@news.cloud9.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <4suh6g$90a@news.cloud9.net>, Noel Bush <nobumako@escape.com> wrote: >I know there must be an easy answer to this question. The only default I can >find (with dread -l) is something called "NeXT1 AutoDimTime", which seems to >affect the time-'til-dim for when I'm logged in, but when I'm logged out I >have to let my loginwindow sit for about half an hour until it changes to the >screensaver (or else just dim the monitor "manually"). What a pain. :::-) > The default is in root's defaults database and its owner is loginwindow, name TimeToDim. It's in seconds. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: NeXT Info needed Message-ID: <DuyIGG.1CA@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <4ssnj8$1kdu@elmo.cadvision.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:09:52 GMT In article <4ssnj8$1kdu@elmo.cadvision.com> florian@cadvision.com writes: > Hello, I am concidering to buy NeXTStep OS Academic bundle and I would > like to know what is the difference between full version and this one. Pricing! > Also, is NeXT binary or source compatible with any other Unix system > (BSD, SCO, AIX, etc.) ? And if it is ,is it possible to just recompile > let's say Free86 X Windows system and run applications under it ? > Its runtime libs are pretty much BSD 4.3 compatible with very few differences, mostly extensions. And there is also a very fine X11r6 in the PD (Peanuts and Peak). It would be asked a bit too much - compatibilitywise - to recompile a window server package just "as is" :-) > Also I have a question abou hardware needs. In some info about NeXT it > is written that it will run confortably in 16bpp on 16MB x86 system. In case 'x' is '4' or '5' it will possibly run (the requirements are on NeXTs web page (www.next.com)). I won't call it "comfortable" at 16 MB, though. But this is a matter of personal judgement to some extent :-) > Is it true or is it kind of the same trick like with WinNT where > confortable size should be aaround 12MB or so, but in fact you need a > bit more (24MB or so) to run it trully confortably ? > "There's no memory like real memory", Seymore Cray. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: JetPilotManager and the NeXTLaserPrinter Date: 22 Jul 1996 22:02:19 GMT Organization: iSTAR internet inc. Message-ID: <4t0tpb$ip6@news.istar.ca> References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960718135604.4494B-100000@charisma> <Duy2Iu.7E9@interpc.de> In-Reply-To: <Duy2Iu.7E9@interpc.de> On 07/22/96, Klaus Bscheid wrote: >On some systems the demo license won't work. So if you just get an >alert panel which tells you that you will find some nifty background >images on your page but nothings comes out of your printer, order a >free license and JetPilot4NeXT will work fine. Ah, this would explain my problem. I installed the JetPilot software, set it up using the demo licence, added the printer via the PrintManager, tried to print (receiving a warning that "demo" images would be printed all over my output), but nothing was printed. I'll try ordering the free license... Jean-Paul Samson jsamson@istar.ca -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul Samson -==- jsamson@istar.ca -==- NeXTmail welcome, no MIME -===================================================================-
From: chin@bznet.com (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Goodies in NS 4.0 (was: Re: Shooting oneself in the HP foot...) Date: 23 Jul 1996 01:59:36 GMT Organization: BIZNET Internet Services Message-ID: <4t1bm9$b88@vger.bznet.com> References: <4smb9n$rbq@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <4sofno$2uj@news.next.com> Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) wrote: >Jonathan W. Hendry writes >> >> If HP ports NT to PA-RISC, then NeXT can port OpenStep/NT to PA-RISC, >> correct? (That is, should there be enough demand...) >> >> Is there an eta on NT/PA-RISC? There was. HP announced that they intended to port Windows NT to the PA-RISC, pretty much at the same time NeXT and HP decided to do the NEXTSTEP port. While the NEXTSTEP port did end up shipping, the Windows NT port did not. Rumor had it that the HP dropped it because of fears that HP-UX would end up in the garbage can. _TOTAL RUMOR_ I don't know why HP decided to drop the NT port... again, rumor had it that it was mostly done. >I'd guess you'll see NT/PA-RISC around the same time Hell freezes over. >One thing I've heard consistently about WindowsNT is that it can only >run on little-endian processors (anybody know why?). While Windows NT does only support little endian, at least the 7100LC and the 7200 are bi-endian. See: http://hpcc998.external.hp.com:80/wsg/strategies/pa7100lc.html Also the PA-RISC 1.1 instruction set includes bi-endian support: http://hpcc998.external.hp.com:80/nsa/pa1.1/html/acd-11.html However, every time I talked to HP employees that were not sales people, they were not very positive of the future of their low end RISC workstations... matter of fact, more than one HP engineer I had spoken to at trade shows were surprised that they still were selling 712's. In addition, HP has not stayed price and feature competitive at under $20,000 IMHO. Even if they did come out with a non HP-UX OS port of almost any sort, it would still be ho-hum as long as they didn't change many other aspects of the machines. Price is definitely one of the major problems. I do feel that NeXT should have finished the OPENSTEP 4.0 for Mach on HP-RISC release. After all, the investment in the compiler and most of the kernel was already made. The top end code was mostly portable. I wonder how many seats of NS/HP were sold... >In any case, what would be the motivation for HP to do the port? >It's not like DEC or MIPS have been burning up the charts with Risc >NT system sales... I don't know what DEC's sales figures are, but they seem to really into NT these days. The Alpha enjoys the most NT native software support of the three RISC ports. Will NeXT support Alpha NT with OPENSTEP and WebObjects?? -- Bill Chin - chin@bznet.com - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19960723.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19960723.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19960716.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 23 Jul 1996 00:00:00 -0600 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: weekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. (The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ has been submitted for news.answers approval, and is waiting for same from the news.answers volunteer team.) Many FAQs can be obtained from news.answers archives: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ is posted twice monthly, with a long expiry time. If it has somehow expired on your site, you can search Usenet archives on the World Wide Web using these site (and others) http://altavista.digital.com http://www.dejanews.com search for comp.apps.spreadsheets and FAQ.
From: dave@turbocat.snafu.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fax Modem question Date: 23 Jul 1996 14:55:52 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <4t2p5o$1a0@turbocat.snafu.de> References: <4t0m2v$c12@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) wrote: > My understanding is that internal faxmodems are not compatible with NeXTStep > for the intel. Is this true? And if so, would someone please tell me why > (other than that there isn't an adequate market to make it worth a vendor's > time? Internal ZyXELs work fine in any case. (Taylor UUCP, PPP, Fax) I bought a used one for 200 DM after my external died. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.snafu.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: Jacob Nielsen <jacob@dannug.dk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: New TeXview says: "sh: kpsexpand: not found" Remedy? Date: 22 Jul 1996 23:12:03 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <4t11s3$282@jnext.dannug.dk> I have installed teTeX and a new TeXview on my NeXTstation running NS3.3. All is fine when I run latex in a Terminal window but I get this in the Console when I start TeXview: sh: kpsexpand: not found and, naturally, I can't view a DVI file. Oddly enough, everything works fine if I run TeXview as root (i.e. no errors in Console) So, I tried copying roots .profile to my home direcory, but to no avail :-( The only thing that helped was linking kpsexpand to /usr/bin/ but this isn't a good solution. So my question is: Where do I tell the sh invoked from TeXview where kpsexpand is? Regards, Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen jacob@dannug.dk
From: jamah@dazeclub.stu.rpi.edu (Jon Mah (JaMah!)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Fax modem question Date: 23 Jul 1996 22:01:58 -0400 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <87n30qpfxk.fsf@dazeclub.stu.rpi.edu> To Whom It May Concern: Hello, I have a USR Sportster 14.4 Fax/Modem (internal) on my system, and I will soon be moving to OpenStep 4.0 (for Intel). I would like to know if there is any software available that would allow me to use my fax/modem to accept incoming fax calls as well as voice calls, and switch to appropriate actions. Also, please let me know if any problems are known with this fax/modem. Thanks. Jon Mah (mahj@rpi.edu)
From: mschwett@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl (ms) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CDR ? Date: 24 Jul 1996 09:19:08 GMT Organization: European Space Agency Message-ID: <4t4pqc$fo4@info.estec.esa.nl> Hi, Has anyone use CDR software like eXTRACD under NEXTSTEP ? What kind of hardware configuration is required ? Thanks, Marc Schwetterle.
From: harts@knoware.nl (Paul Harts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SLIP communication software? Date: 24 Jul 1996 13:45:08 GMT Organization: Knoware Internet Message-ID: <4t59d4$hbj@news.knoware.nl> In-Reply-To: Hi, I am looking for, and willing to pay for, an app that builds a SLIP connection to a server via a modem. Currently I run some quickly hacked series of UNIX scripts that basically do just that, but a decent app would be appreciated. Any suggestions? Regards, Paul. -- ==================================================== | harts@knoware.nl | ' What's a FAQ?' | | the Netherlands | probably is one | | NeXTmail Welcomed! | | ====================================================
From: NEED, CASH, FAST??<a@b.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: It's Here!! Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:47:59 -0700 Organization: Walt Disney Studios Message-ID: <4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some serious cash in a hurry???", or been in serious debt, ready to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting, exciting find! Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right! I found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. I somehow got on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!'). Well, when I was a teenager, these claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 here, and another $49.95 there. I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I was desperate for money!! So, I gave them all a chance but failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people, but not for me. Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in the trash when I got the mail. I recognized it right away. I can smell a money scam from a mile away these days, SO I THOUGHT....I thought I could sniff out a scam easily. WAS I WRONG!!....I LOVE THE INTERNET!!! I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to GET CASH FAST!! I though..."Here on the Internet?? Well, I'll just have to see what schemes could possible be on the internet." The article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND MAKE $50, 000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS! Well, the more I thought about it, the more I became very curious. Why? Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE DOLLARS (AND FIVE STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!! Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe an tough amount to reach, but it was possible. I knew that I could at least get a return of $1,000 or so. So I did it!! As per the instructions in the article, I mailed out ('snail mail'for you e-mail fanatics) a single dollar bill to each of the five people on the list that was contained in the article. I included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To Your List." I then removed the first position name of the five names listed and moved everyone up one position, and I put my name in position five of the list. This is how the money starts rolling in! I then took this revised article now with my name on the list and REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW. I then waited to watch the money come in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so.... But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!! I knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people all over the world-Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even some from Australia! I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of $23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!! I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due to this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!! So maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know, but IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL! You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of! The more postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your very own mailbox!! It's just too easy to pass up!!! Let's review the reasons why you should do this: The only cost factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (US Postal Service Mail). Then just simply repost the article (WITH YOUR NAME ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local BBS's you can. Then sit back and, (ironically), enjoy walking (you can run if you like! :o ) down your driveway to your mailbox and scoop up your rewards!! We all have five dollars to put into such an easy effortless investment with SPECTACULAR REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks! So HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY, EAT AT HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND INVEST FIVE DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!! So how do you do it exactly, you ask? I have carefully provided the mostdetailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily get this underway and get your cash on its way. SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!! *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. *** OK, Read this carefully. Get a printout of this information, if you like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed. INSTRUCTIONS: 1. Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following: "Please add my name to your list". This creates a service out of this money making system and thus making it completely legal. You are not just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar for a legitimate service. Make sure you include your name and address. I assure you that, again, this is completely legal! For a neat little twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3", Just to add a little fun! This is all about having fun and making money at the same time! 2. Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill , (no checks or money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to the five people listed. The folding of the paper around the bill will insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!! 3. Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO YOUR MAILBOX. Look at the list of five people; remove the first name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on the list. Position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot , position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be be 3, 5 wil be 4. Now put your name, address, zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5, the bottom position on the list. 4. Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible. Give a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!! Such as: "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS??", etc. And the more uploads, the more money you will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will make too. LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more! Always have a goal in mind!!! If you can UUE encode the file when uploading, that will make it easier for the poeple to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive. That way they get a copy of the article right on their computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the ends of the sentences, you're in business! 5. If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP. I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file. Just ask for help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'. Place a one line statement in the main body section of the message post screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like..."Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!" You'll never get ANY responses! 6. And this is the step I like. JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!! Expect to see a little money start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the mailbox and try not to scream too load (outside anyway) when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!! 7. So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or the one you want in your life) a gift they'll never forget. ENJOY LIFE! 8. Now when you get low on this money supply, simply re-activate this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of. Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need cash. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED! 9. (This step added by Charles Reiley). Hello, This is exciting isn't it?! While I'm on the list, just add a note saying "Please include extra money tips" with your name & E-MAIL address, and I will (FOR FREE) send you some neat methods to increase the money you will receive with this plan. Why?...Why not? I'm not a selfish jerk...I like helping out others. E-mail just makes it a touch easier and cheaper, too! After I drop off the list, I can no longer offer you this advice, obviously, but maybe someone else who gets my tips will offer and simply replace my name on this step number 9. Good luck and give this plan your all, it will definitely pay off! Like Mike said, HAVE FUN WITH IT!!! ************************************************************************************* THE NAMES LIST THE NAMES LIST THE NAME LIST ************************************************************************************* * HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!! * * 1. John F. Bourgeois * 3043 New Oak Lane * Bowie, MD 20716 * * 2. David Maxwell * 1747 Stonybrook Ln. * APT 103 * Brunswick, OH 44212 * * 3. Daniel Henry * 3122-A Dagger Drive * Tyndall AFB, FL 32403-1204 * * 4. Jack Hartsfield * 1900 North Vine #404 * Los Angeles, California 90068 USA * * 5. John Ocava * 1125 N. Harvard Cir. * South Elgin, IL 60177 USA * ************************************************************************************* NOTE: Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you a dollar and always keep an eye on the local postings of this file... Just to make sure that everyone is playing the game fairly. You know where your name should be..... *** AGAIN, HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON THIS PLAN. -Mike Dotson, Boulder, CO *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the money to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10000! All the lists are re-distributed as soon as the money is received. end of article
From: Rob Caljouw <rob.caljouw@canada.cdev.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Compiling hylafax3.0p10 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:41:04 -0700 Organization: Computing Devices Canada Message-ID: <31F65220.5AA3@canada.cdev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. Has anyone had any luck compiling hylafax3.0p10 on NS 3.3 (black)? I've been trying but with little success. I'm using gcc 2.7.2 and libg++ 2.7.2. I know they recommend an earlier version of gcc but this is all I have right now. The problem is at the link stage. I get the following error when I try to link any of the binaries: ld: Undefined symbols: .constructors_used .destructors_used Yes those are dots not underscores that prefix the symbols. Everything is compiled with the -posix flag and linked with -lposix. I'm afraid I don't know enough about compilers (particularly C++) to be able to figure this one out. Searching the libraries and compiler binaries yielded 6 references to .constructors_used in libstdc++ and 8 in libg++. The compiler binaries (both NeXT and gcc) contain the strings: .reference .constructors_used .reference .destructors_used The linker is ld from NS developer 3.3 and it links posixcrt0.o and -lposix as well as the gnu C++ libraries and the application libraries. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob Caljouw
From: mike@starburst.cbl.cees.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: ?How to get 4.0 Academic Bundle in any kind of timely fashion Date: 24 Jul 1996 16:26:28 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Message-ID: <4t5irk$651@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> Keywords: 4.0,Academic Bundle, where to get I'm trying to find the most expedient way possible to put an order in for the Academic Bundle of Release 4 of NeXTstep OS for Intel. If you call NeXT on this their call routing message will refer you to either: 1) Your campus bookstore (ours goes through another vendor, all told I'm looking at months before they get it in, I checked). 2) Optimal Object (was Object Technologies), however being a University I can only order through Purchase Order and Optimal Object now has a policy whereas they won't accept any PO's under $1,000. I'm sorry, I don't need more than one copy right now, period, end of story, but I do **NEED* that copy. I feel its a little bone headed of NeXT to only have one other reseller for the Academic Bundle aside from your slow as a turtle campus bookstores. Perhaps NeXT should re-examine their relationship with Optimal Object in light of their new policy on POs (which generally speaking is the only process by which Universities can order things). I guess there are no other ordering options?! --Mike -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Mike F. Santangelo, Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems, UMCEES/CBL Solomons
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Compiling hylafax3.0p10 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:28:03 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8lxZoXy00iV944KOhP@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <31F65220.5AA3@canada.cdev.com> In-Reply-To: <31F65220.5AA3@canada.cdev.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 24-Jul-96 Compiling hylafax3.0p10 by Rob Caljouw@canada.cdev. > Has anyone had any luck compiling hylafax3.0p10 on NS 3.3 (black)? > > I've been trying but with little success. I'm using gcc 2.7.2 and libg++ > 2.7.2. I know they recommend an earlier version of gcc but this is > all I have right now. How it that possible? NEXTSTEP 3.3 Developer shipped with gcc 2.5.8, and you later claim to be using NeXT's linker (and header files, and libraries, etc). [ ... ] > Everything is compiled with the -posix flag and linked with -lposix. This question has been asked so many times it's a FAQ. Read the compiler documentation-- you have to compile and link using just 'cc -posix'; using '-lposix' simply will not work reliably.. If you want to use a newer version of gcc (like 2.7.2), you should compile with 'cc -posix -v' to see the precise commands used by the compiler system to build the executable, and replace 'cc' with 'gcc' and hope. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: root@phcs.phcs.com (S00POR UZER) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> Control: cancel <4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> Supersedes: <4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> Date: 24 Jul 1996 16:14:34 -0400 Organization: Private Healthcare Systems, Inc Message-ID: <4t607a$nig@phcs.phcs.com> SPAM cancelled by jq@phcs.com
From: mpaque@pacbell.net (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTime Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:30:38 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <4t6f8g$9lk@news1.snfc21.pacbell.net> References: <4su1st$ocq@picasso.op.net> andydunn@op.net wrote: >What are the requirements for running NeXTime? Anybody have it running on >a mono slab running NS 3.0 or 3.1? NEXTIME 1.0 required NEXTSTEP 3.2 or later on m68k or Intel hardware. It runs best on the NeXTStation Color and Color Turbo, and on Intel hardware configured for 16 bit color. What some folks have called NEXTIME 2.0 is built into OPENSTEP for Mach 4.0, and runs on all OPENSTEP for Mach platforms. Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@pacbell.net Personal E-mail mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
From: daj@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (David Jaffe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: postscript from NeXT to Mac Date: 25 Jul 1996 01:13:59 GMT Organization: CCRMA, Stanford University Message-ID: <4t6hon$bb1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I've got an eps file created with the Save To... option in Draw on a NeXT. I moved it to a Mac and, after changing the type to "EPSF" with ResEdit's "Get Info...", I tried to open it. However, all the programs I tried can't seem to deal with it. I've tried Photoshop, Quark and several others. For example, Quark displays a gray rectangle displaying the name of the original draw file on the NeXT (this info is in the postscript file.) Is there some trick to moving eps files from a NeXT to a Mac? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks (Please cc: your response to my email address.) David Jaffe david@jaffe.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: spai@netcom.com (Suresh Pai) Subject: Driver for SMC EtherPower PCI Ethernet Adapter? Message-ID: <spaiDv2KII.H3I@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:44:42 GMT Sender: spai@netcom22.netcom.com Hello Is there a driver for SMC EtherPower PCI Ethernet Adapter combo in NEXTSTEP 3.3 or OpenStep 4.0 for mach? Thanks suresh
From: Roger Gottet <r.gottet.cnet@spectraweb.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Problem with SCSI IRQ_12 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:59:28 +0200 Organization: c.Net Support Message-ID: <31F71B50.5976@spectraweb.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i have a problem with the installation of my NEXTSTEP 3.3 for Intel. My Adaptec 1542C has the IRQ 12 and my ISDN-Card has the IRQ 11. The problem is, when i want install the NS, the NS installation routine breaks with a error that the SCSI-IRQ is not 11. What cane i do, that the installation routine knows that the IRQ is 12 and not 11. Thanks.... Roger Gottet
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: ?How to get 4.0 Academic Bundle in any kind of timely fashion Date: 25 Jul 1996 10:27:00 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <4t7i5k$e2b@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <4t5irk$651@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> In-Reply-To: <4t5irk$651@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> On 07/24/96, Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > I feel its a little bone headed of NeXT to only have one other > reseller for the Academic Bundle aside from your slow as a turtle > campus bookstores. Perhaps NeXT should re-examine their relationship > with Optimal Object in light of their new policy on POs (which > generally speaking is the only process by which Universities can order > things). I guess there are no other ordering options?! > Having read Rob Blessin's reply, I feel some sympathy toward Optimal Object on this. I've got so embarassed with the length of time it takes for POs to be processed on this side of the pond that I usually pay for stuff myself and then claim back from the University. If the Finance Office ask why I didn't use a PO, I say it's because I got a good deal from the supplier provided I paid within a week, and in my esperience you're doing *very well* if the University pays with a month. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Roger Gottet <r.gottet.cnet@spectraweb.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PPP connection with NEXTSTEP! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:51:51 +0200 Organization: c.Net Support Message-ID: <31F76DE7.517E@spectraweb.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, cane me everyone tell what for a tool i need for PPP-Connection with NEXTSTEP v3.3 for Intel? I need a good WWW-Browser for NS 3.3 Intel... Thanks... Roger Gottet
From: Roger Gottet <r.gottet.cnet@spectraweb.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ISDN with NEXTSTEP! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:54:08 +0200 Organization: c.Net Support Message-ID: <31F76E70.153@spectraweb.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, givs a change that my Diehl SCOM ISDN-Card runs under NS 3.3 Intel? Thanks... Roger Gottet
From: William.Clocksin@CL.cam.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Using PopOver for this... Date: 25 Jul 1996 13:22:14 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Message-ID: <4t7se6$853@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Using one workstation (call it A), I wish to retrieve mail from an mbox-format file accessible from my other workstation (call it B), but not accessible from A. Both A and B have IP connectivity. Normally I use B, and B's Mail.app picks up the new mail. However, I wish to pick it up when using A. So, I installed a POP3 server on B, and PopOver on A. This is almost right, but still does not do exactly what is needed, because PopOver expects to retrieve mail from B's spool file, not the mbox file. How can I use A to read new mail without prodding B's Mail.app to fetch the mail into B's spool file? Or is there a way to prod B's Mail.app by remote control, as it were? -- William Clocksin Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge
From: vesely@bme.ri.ccf.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Cassandra Date: 25 Jul 1996 12:19:08 GMT Organization: Cleveland Clinic Foundation Message-ID: <4t7ons$m23@slider.bme.ri.ccf.org> I've moved from black to white hardware, and have a lingering anoyance with Cassandra. Even though I have a new version of Cassandra, everytime it opens up, it keeps trying to open a directory that used to exist on my old machine but no longer exists on the new one. Obviously, there is some parameter file somewhere that got moved with my files to my new machine, but I just can't figure out where it is. I know it is not related to .cassandra/ because that is the directory that it is looking for under the old directory structure. Any suggestions? -- Ivan Vesely, Ph.D. Associate Staff Department of Biomedical Engineering Cleveland Clinic Foundation vesely@bme.ri.ccf.org http://www.ccf.org/ri/bme/valve/
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: New TeXview says: "sh: kpsexpand: not found" Remedy? Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:01:16 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <4t7unc$o67@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4t11s3$282@jnext.dannug.dk> On 22 Jul 1996 23:12:03 GMT, Jacob Nielsen <jacob@dannug.dk> wrote: >I have installed teTeX and a new TeXview on my NeXTstation running >NS3.3. > >All is fine when I run latex in a Terminal window but I get this >in the Console when I start TeXview: Well, why not write a mail to the author of this crippled version... Hmm, maybe since I forgot to include my email address and my name in the README and Info panel ? ;-) Sorry folks, will be corrected asap. Well, the prerequisite for running this new, patched TeXview is that kpsexpand can be found in csh's path (since TeXview sources csh's .cshrc file). Maybe this is the case for root, but not for you ? So please make sure that your .cshrc file (doesn't depend on the shell you use otherwise) includes the directory kpsexpand can be found in (normally /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/tex/bin or /usr/local/tex/bin/mab-nextstep3 depending on your installation). Don't hesitate to send me a mail if this doesn't help. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact RhiNO | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 54-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 54-8312 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail, MIME) |
From: Markus Strickler <markuss@gauss.fo.fh-koeln.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PHP for NeXTstep Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:39:18 +0200 Organization: FH-Kφln Message-ID: <31F77906.50F0@gauss.fo.fh-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! Has anyone out there managed to port PHP to NeXTStep? If so which changes have to be made? This is a log of the compilation errors: cc -I/usr/include/ansi -O -I. -I/www/postgres95/include -DHAVE_LIBPQ=1 -I/www/apache_1.0.5/src -DACCESS_CONTROL -DACCESS_DIR=\"/www/apache_1.0.5/cgi-da ta\" -DLOGGING=1 -DLOG_DIR=\"/www/apache_1.0.5/cgi-data\" -DFILE_UPLOAD -DAPACH E=1 -c local.c local.c: In function `strdup': local.c:87: warning: type mismatch with previous external decl /usr/include/ansi/stdlib.h:62: warning: previous external decl of `malloc' local.c:87: warning: extern declaration of `malloc' doesn't match global one cc -I/usr/include/ansi -O -I. -I/www/postgres95/include -DHAVE_LIBPQ=1 -I/www/apache_1.0.5/src -DACCESS_CONTROL -DACCESS_DIR=\"/www/apache_1.0.5/cgi-da ta\" -DLOGGING=1 -DLOG_DIR=\"/www/apache_1.0.5/cgi-data\" -DFILE_UPLOAD -DAPACH E=1 -c dns.c In file included from dns.c:29: /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/netdb.h:15: redefinition of `struct hostent' /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/netdb.h:28: redefinition of `struct netent' /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/netdb.h:35: redefinition of `struct servent' /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/netdb.h:42: redefinition of `struct protoent' /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/netdb.h:48: redefinition of `struct rpcent' *** Exit 1 Stop. Maybe someone has a clue? Markus -- Markus Strickler Student of Image Science FH Kφln, Cologne Germany email: markuss@gauss.fo.fh-koeln.de
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: postscript from NeXT to Mac Date: 25 Jul 1996 15:53:32 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <4t859s$m6t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <4t6hon$bb1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> In-Reply-To: <4t6hon$bb1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> On 07/25/96, David Jaffe wrote: > I've got an eps file created with the Save To... option in Draw on a > NeXT. I moved it to a Mac and, after changing the type to "EPSF" with > ResEdit's "Get Info...", I tried to open it. However, all the > programs I tried can't seem to deal with it. I've tried Photoshop, > Quark and several others. For example, Quark displays a gray rectangle > displaying the name of the original draw file on the NeXT (this info > is in the postscript file.) > > Is there some trick to moving eps files from a NeXT to a Mac? > Any help would be appreciated. > *If I understand things correctly*, in order to display the image on the Mac (which of course doesn't have Display PostScript) EPS files should have a (bitmapped) preview image included: you can create these using Tailor, but I'm not aware of any PD software that does this? I've been faced with this problem before -- and then when I've created an EPS-with-preview file with the problem that the image usually shows up just in black and white -- but if you're able to perservere the thing eventually prints out OK. I'd be plesed to be corrected if I've got this wrong, but my understanding seems consistent with my experience so far! Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: gvandyk@icon.co.za Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenStep Release Date: 26 Jul 1996 04:20:15 GMT Organization: E.S. Systems cc (Financial Systems Development) Message-ID: <4t9h1v$4a8@hermes.is.co.za> Has OpenStep been released for Mach and/or NT? I would like to know if it was also released in Europe. I am working through my distributor and my order was placed on the 27th of June. We have delayed the implementation of our system until we get OpenStep. My distributor tells me that either OpenStep was not released or that it has not arrived in Europe yet. Could somebody please clarify. -- Regards, Gerrit van Dyk email: gvandyk@icon.co.za (NeXTMail welcome) E.S. Systems cc The OBJECT is the ADVANTAGE
From: sdees@ssbinc.com (Scott Dees) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Reading, writing barcodes Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:58:30 GMT Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet <info@cais.com> Message-ID: <4tamlt$f01@news.cais.com> Hey do you guys know of a barcode kit for reading and writing barcodes (including hardware). SD
From: neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Using PopOver for this... Date: 26 Jul 1996 16:34:18 GMT Organization: Fachbereich Informatik, TH Darmstadt, Deutschland Message-ID: <4tas2a$h3d@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <4t7se6$853@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> William.Clocksin@CL.cam.ac.uk wrote: : Using one workstation (call it A), I wish to retrieve mail from an : mbox-format file accessible from my other workstation (call it B), but not : accessible from A. Both A and B have IP connectivity. Normally I use B, and : B's Mail.app picks up the new mail. However, I wish to pick it up when : using A. So, I installed a POP3 server on B, and PopOver on A. This is : almost right, but still does not do exactly what is needed, because PopOver : expects to retrieve mail from B's spool file, not the mbox file. How can I : use A to read new mail without prodding B's Mail.app to fetch the mail into : B's spool file? Or is there a way to prod B's Mail.app by remote control, : as it were? Ok, the most simple solution imho is to edit your .forward file on machine b as follows: \yourid, "|/bin/cat >> /home/yourspoolfile" It will deliver the mail to you, but also make a copy in myspoolfile. You can use the latter to serve mail via Pop, or simple ftp it to your local machine. Note: I haven't tried out ">>" redirection in the file .forward. If all else fails, simply write a simple program that appends to file instead. The idea is to get at the data stream before Mail.app starts decoding it. After NeXTmails are decoded and stored into different directories, it will be a lot harder to get it back together again. .forward is an excellent point where you can introduce such a data fork. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "I ride tandem with a random.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // +49 6151 16-3414 fax: -5472
From: Jacob Nielsen <jacob@dannug.dk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Bibliography Software Date: 24 Jul 1996 23:36:36 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <4t6c24$bv@jnext.dannug.dk> References: <837943143.23153.0@scmolec.demon.co.uk> <4stns8$pti@saims.skidmore.edu> jmeacham@mv.com (The Rev. James David Meacham) wrote: > On 07/21/96, Dr David Michael Webster wrote: > >Does anyone know if there is an app to store/manipulate references > >maybe even recognise EMBASE, ISI formats etc. > > Bibliography.app, which is a LaTeX based bibliography program, written > by Heinrich Geisen, is a wonderful program. It requires you have TeX > installed, but it is well worth installing TeX for this program alone. > IT is available at the archives (next-ftp.peak.org, peanuts.leo.org) Bibliography.app does *not* require LaTeX (nor TeX), it's just nicer to be able to use the generated bibliographies directly in your favourite program (LaTeX :-) Last I looked, you could also get RTF and HTML output from Bibliography (one entry at a time) Still a wonderfull program! Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen jacob@dannug.dk http://www.dannug.dk/users/jacob/
From: sberry@sydney.nwest.mccaw.com (Steve Berry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Using PopOver for this... Date: 26 Jul 1996 17:14:35 GMT Organization: AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. Message-ID: <4taudr$cfs@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> References: <4t7se6$853@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> In article <4t7se6$853@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> William.Clocksin@CL.cam.ac.uk writes: > Using one workstation (call it A), I wish to retrieve mail from an > mbox-format file accessible from my other workstation (call it B), but not > accessible from A. Both A and B have IP connectivity. Normally I use B, and > B's Mail.app picks up the new mail. However, I wish to pick it up when > using A. So, I installed a POP3 server on B, and PopOver on A. This is > almost right, but still does not do exactly what is needed, because PopOver > expects to retrieve mail from B's spool file, not the mbox file. How can I > use A to read new mail without prodding B's Mail.app to fetch the mail into > B's spool file? Or is there a way to prod B's Mail.app by remote control, > as it were? > > -- > William Clocksin > Computer Laboratory > University of Cambridge Not the best solution, but you might want to try using RBrowser.app. My home office is in Seattle, where we have the full NeXT NFS/NI setup. But I often travel to Florida where we don't have an NFS/NI server, but I do have a NeXT box. I can use RBrowser to connect to my box in Seattle and open the remote Mailboxes locally (read only, however). On top of that, although much slower (hence Rbrowser for viewing mail) I NXHost the Mail.app from my home machine to Florida for sending and receiving mail. Like I said, its not pretty or graceful or even fast, but it works. Steve -- The views and opinions within this document, both explicity and implicity stated, in no way represent the opinions or views of Paradigm Systems Corporation of America, McCaw Cellular Communications or AT&T Wireless Communications. In fact they probably don't reflect my opinions. So, go sue someone else. _____________________________________________________________________ Steven Berry, Database Developer | ***Spam Haiku of the Week*** --- Paradigm Systems Corp --- | Cube of cold pinkness. Internet: sberry@pscwa.psca.com | Yellow specks of porcine fat. NeXT mail: sberry@pscwa.psca.com | Give me a spork please.
Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:06:00 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <cancel.4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> Control: cancel <4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: NEED, CASH, FAST??<a@b.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <4t5dcb$68s@phcs.phcs.com> Make Money Fast cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960726.19 for further details
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ISDN with NEXTSTEP! Date: 26 Jul 1996 12:03:04 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <4tac5o$2nm@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <31F76E70.153@spectraweb.ch> Roger Gottet <r.gottet.cnet@spectraweb.ch> wrote: >givs a change that my Diehl SCOM ISDN-Card runs under NS 3.3 Intel? If you write a driver... ;-) Spend a little money for a Linux machine with isdn4linux, two ethernet cards and a Teles S0/16 ISDN card. This works for me perfectly as IP router to my provider, as ISDN and analog modem dialout server (simply with an 'rsh minicom' from my Nextstation on the Linux box), as a ISDN and analog dialin and fax server (with mgetty, faxes are delivered by mail to my account on the Next), and as a news server (UUCP and INN). When I have some more time, I will configure it as a proxy cache for html and ftp, too... A 2nd hand 486/40 with broken 2nd level cache ;-), 8MB RAM, 250 MB hard disk, CGA graphics :-) is more than enough for this job. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: mpaque@pacbell.net (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep Release Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:46:42 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <4tble6$fr7@news1.snfc21.pacbell.net> References: <4t9h1v$4a8@hermes.is.co.za> gvandyk@icon.co.za wrote: >Has OpenStep been released for Mach and/or NT? >I would like to know if it was also released in Europe. I am working >through my distributor and my order was placed on the 27th of June. We >have delayed the implementation of our system until we get OpenStep. >My distributor tells me that either OpenStep was not released or that >it has not arrived in Europe yet. It's been released. OPENSTEP 4.0 is shipping. I couldn't say when you'll get your copy. There's all those wonderful variables like shipping method, priority, and, of course, customs. Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@pacbell.net Personal E-mail mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How can I send a mail using id on POP3 Message-ID: <31FB5517.3BEB@cc.usu.edu> From: Jaeyang Park <slpv9@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 05:55:03 -0600 Organization: Utah State University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an email address on POP server.(slpv9@cc.usu.edu) I can read the mails on this address using PopOver. But, I don't know how I can send mail with this address rather than the login id of NEXTSTEP(like me@hostname). thanks in advance, Jaeyang Park Email:slpv9@cc.usu.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Need compiler for NeXT Message-ID: <Dv8ut6.2pw@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <4te48t$4e@news.onramp.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:12:42 GMT In article <4te48t$4e@news.onramp.net> dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) writes: > Ricardo Paulo Cunha Passos wrote: > > At my university we ha a NeXTstation turbo 33Mhz, but don't > > have compiler. The machine was a gift (what a gifft!!!!!) > > Anyone knows were i pick up the package? > > Buy a used copy of the NeXTstep OS w/developer tools for NeXT HW > off of comp.sys.next.marketplace. > Needless to say Ricardo should look for a academic version. Commercial would cost him an arm and a leg. And, Ricardo, if you don't like your gift toss it my direction :-) -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: dfgalvan@icia.rcanaria.es (Domingo Fernandez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Sound Box problem Date: 29 Jul 1996 09:00:02 GMT Organization: Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias Message-ID: <4thuii$hi8@sinfo.ll.iac.es> After installing NS3.2 (upgrading from 3.0) I run into trouble with the Sound Box in my NeXTstation Turbo Color. It gives a high pitch noise and no other sound can be heard. Sometimes after reboot it works OK but thereafter it got back to malfunctioning. Have anyone heard about this problem before?. Is it a software problem with NS3.2? Thanks in andvance, Domingo -- Domingo Fernandez Galvan <dfgalvan@icia.rcanaria.es> Instituto Canario de Investigaciones Agrarias Dto. Fruticultura Tropical Apdo 60 La Laguna 38200 Tenerife Canary Is. SPAIN
From: Richard PIACENTINI <ricp@worldnet.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: problem with Adaptec 1542 CP Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:29:44 +0200 Organization: FRANCE-ANIMATION Message-ID: <31FC8488.28CF0844@worldnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i've got a problem when trying to install NextStep release 3.3 on a intel P133...I've got 3 EIDE Hard disk and a SCSI hard disk (ID 0) + Plextor 6x CDROM on an adaptec 1542 CP and when booting with next installation disk i've got a message saying that "No SCSI card and CDROM can be found".I've tried to desactivate all EIDE HD in the BIOs but it didn't work at all....Did someone ever have this problem ?? Thanks by advance.... I can be reach at this @ : ricp@worldnet.net
From: neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How can I send a mail using id on POP3 Date: 29 Jul 1996 13:21:43 GMT Organization: Fachbereich Informatik, TH Darmstadt, Deutschland Message-ID: <4tidt8$1mu3@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <31FB5517.3BEB@cc.usu.edu> Jaeyang Park (slpv9@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > I have an email address on POP server.(slpv9@cc.usu.edu) > I can read the mails on this address using PopOver. > But, I don't know how I can send mail with this address rather than the > login id of NEXTSTEP(like me@hostname). Live with it, and set the "Reply-To:" field in Mail.app's Preferences, or learn how to edit sendmail.cf. It's quite cryptic though. Most NEXTSTEP sysadmins advocate upgrading to a newer version of sendmail, which is supposedly easier to set up. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "I ride tandem with a random.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // +49 6151 16-3414 fax: -5472
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: How can I send a mail using id on POP3 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960729124720.5177A-100000@nerc1.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:52:25 -0400 References: <31FB5517.3BEB@cc.usu.edu> <4tidt8$1mu3@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4tidt8$1mu3@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Jul 1996, Christian Neuss wrote: > Jaeyang Park (slpv9@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > I have an email address on POP server.(slpv9@cc.usu.edu) > > I can read the mails on this address using PopOver. > > But, I don't know how I can send mail with this address rather than the > > login id of NEXTSTEP(like me@hostname). > > Live with it, and set the "Reply-To:" field in Mail.app's Preferences, > or learn how to edit sendmail.cf. It's quite cryptic though. Most > NEXTSTEP sysadmins advocate upgrading to a newer version of sendmail, > which is supposedly easier to set up. The easiest thing to do is to set the reply-to line, but that is not the best thing to do, because there are some dumb mail readers (like ours on a local Novell network) where the piece of crap thing strips all the headers except the 'From' 'Subject' and 'Date'.... so anyone who does a 'reply' might be replying to a non-existant mail address. The best piece of advice is to upgrade to the newest sendmail. The instructions found at http://brise.ere.umontreal.ca/~magnan/Sendmail/ will help even an idiot like myself do this in less than 30 minutes and a reboot. TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: NeXT/Unix program like DOS scandisk? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960729125230.5177B-100000@nerc1.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:55:03 -0400 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any NeXT/Unix program out there which will do what the DOS program 'scandisk' does? If so, where can it be found? scandisk, for those who don't know, is a program which scans disks for errors and attempts to fix them. I've been able to use scandisk to fix problems which weren't fixed using UNIX's fsck.... Thanks TjL -------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> NeXTMail adored! (MIME/SUN also accepted) NeXT info via email: send message with SUBJECT: send-ascii info Now in infancy: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat
From: Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mail utilities Date: 29 Jul 1996 18:03:13 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <4tiud1$esb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Hi, I'm looking for mail utilities to do things like extract all messages with certain properties from one mbox to another. Properties would be things like the contents of the From: or To: field. Any pointers are appreciated, Thanks Chuck
From: episman@super.zippo.com (Lord Digital) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS 3.3 and OmniWeb 2.0.1 Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:58:30 GMT Organization: U.S. CyberSites, Inc. Message-ID: <4tiqjn$8o9@perry.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I just build a machine with SuperMicro T2S (Triton 2) motherboard and Cyrix 6X86-166 CPU and installed NS 3.3 on it. Other hardware in the machine is: Matrox Millenium, DPT 2044 PCI Wide SCSI, Toshiba 4X IDE CDROM and Samsung 1.08 IDE HD. NeXTStep is working great, really fast and snappy. No matter what I run on the box works flawlesly - anything from Developer to Doom. I just have one problem - when I try to run OmniWeb 2.0.1 the machine totaly dies. When I start the app OmniWeb icon gets minimized adn greyed out in the lower left corner,but as soon as the machine stops loading and when I should see the OmniWeb screen the machine freezes and the only thing you can do is hard reset. Really wierd. Does anyone have any idea what it could be? Eugene
From: Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Pressing CDs for NEXTSTEP files Date: 29 Jul 1996 22:24:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <4tjdn0$nqj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> So let's say I have a product ready to ship and I've collected all my files in a subdirectory on my NEXTSTEP/Intel machine. Can anyone tell me, (or point me to a resource that can), the way to burning a CD-ROM. I have Win95 on the other partition if that helps. There is a NEXTSTEP/WinNT machine in the room on the network. Is there a way to get my NEXTSTEP files onto WinNT's file system and then press the CD from there? Thanks for any pointers in advance! -------------------------------------------------------- Chuck_Esterbrook@OrcaComputer.com NeXTmail welcome Software Engineer pho. (540) 231-3475 Orca Computer, Inc. fax. (540) 231-3480 Blacksburg, VA 24060 http://www.orcacomputer.com/~chuck
From: rencsok@channelu.com (Randall J. Rencsok) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail utilities Date: 29 Jul 1996 22:57:54 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <4tjfli$1jr8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <4tiud1$esb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Cc: Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com In <4tiud1$esb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for mail utilities to do things like extract all messages with > certain properties from one mbox to another. Properties would be things like > the contents of the From: or To: field. > > Any pointers are appreciated, Eloquent is excellent. Except for some problems I've noted since I'm running v1.0 on 3.2 with MIME mail from a 3.3 machine. You can do all the above by using sort options, along with assigning sounds to the mailboxes that recieve the mail. It's kind of neat when mail comes in gets sorted and then the sound plays when your only earshot from the machine. Now If I could do something similiar with other OS events like a talk request, or a ftp, or processes that come into my machine, like a login, etc. I suspect with MiscKit or TickleServices someone can do this.. :) I just havn't had the time to check into it. ;( Contact info I have is Take Three eloquent_info@arissoft.com 512-837-9784 512-837-8102 FAX But you could download Eloquent2.0 for newer contact info and a test drive off next-ftp.peak.org (probably under /pub/next/demos/mail ) Randy
From: specht@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM (Ralf Specht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FTP-Client with proxy support? Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:38:45 GMT Organization: debis Network Services GmbH Message-ID: <4ti7s5$p12@news.sns-felb.debis.de> Hi all, does anyone know if there exists a ftp client (like GatorFTP) which supports proxy-ftp over a firewall? If so, please let me know. Thanks... ...Ralf -- Ralf Specht Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm Department of Text Understanding Systems P.O. Box 23 60 89013 Ulm, Germany e-mail: specht@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM phone: +49 731 505-2356 fax: +49 731 505-4113
From: specht@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM (Ralf Specht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Dove Fax-Modem with intel machine... Date: 29 Jul 1996 13:26:17 GMT Organization: debis Network Services GmbH Message-ID: <4tie5p$p12@news.sns-felb.debis.de> Hello, I want to connect a Dove Fax-Modem currently used on black hardware to an intel machine. I searched the NextAnswers for drivers for intel machines but didn't find anything. Has anyone ever managed to connect and use tis modem on an intel machine? I know that I'll have to make a special cable to connect the modem to a sub-d 9 connector, but that's not the problem. Thanks... ...Ralf -- Ralf Specht Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm Department of Text Understanding Systems P.O. Box 23 60 89013 Ulm, Germany e-mail: specht@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM phone: +49 731 505-2356 fax: +49 731 505-4113
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: tom@hukatronic.cz (Tomas Hurka) Subject: Re: problem with Adaptec 1542 CP Message-ID: <DvC04B.3Jp@hurka.UUCP> Sender: tom@hurka.UUCP (Tomas Hurka) Organization: Hukatronic (H.C.C.) References: <31FC8488.28CF0844@worldnet.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:00:11 GMT In article <31FC8488.28CF0844@worldnet.net> Richard PIACENTINI <ricp@worldnet.net> writes: > Hi, i've got a problem when trying to install NextStep release 3.3 on a > intel P133...I've got 3 EIDE Hard disk and a SCSI hard disk (ID 0) + > Plextor 6x CDROM on an adaptec 1542 CP and when booting with next > installation disk i've got a message saying that "No SCSI card and CDROM > can be found".I've tried to desactivate all EIDE HD in the BIOs but it > didn't work at all....Did someone ever have this problem ?? Probably your adaptec 1542 CP is not detected. Check out the messages when probing the adaptec driver. NS driver expect the adaptec card to have default configuration, which is port 330, irq 11 and DMA channel 5. Check your adapec setting and make sure that you use the correct setting. If I remember it correctly 1542 CP is a PnP variant. If this is true, try to switch PnP off and configure the card manually. Good luck, -- Tomas Hurka tom@hukatronic.cz NeXTMAIL and MIME OK (international mail <50 KB accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19960730.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19960723.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19960723.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 30 Jul 1996 00:00:00 -0600 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: weekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. (The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ has been submitted for news.answers approval, and is waiting for same from the news.answers volunteer team.) Many FAQs can be obtained from news.answers archives: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ is posted twice monthly, with a long expiry time. If it has somehow expired on your site, you can search Usenet archives on the World Wide Web using these site (and others) http://altavista.digital.com http://www.dejanews.com search for comp.apps.spreadsheets and FAQ.
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Dove Fax-Modem with intel machine... Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:49:59 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul30.074959.1536@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4tie5p$p12@news.sns-felb.debis.de> In article <4tie5p$p12@news.sns-felb.debis.de> specht@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM (Ralf Specht) writes: > I want to connect a Dove Fax-Modem currently used on black hardware to > an intel machine. > I searched the NextAnswers for drivers for intel machines but didn't find > anything. Has anyone ever managed to connect and use tis modem on an > intel machine? The Dove Fax needs a special fax driver. One was available for black hardware, but an Intel version was never released. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: FTP-Client with proxy support? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:51:45 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Jul30.075145.1602@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <4ti7s5$p12@news.sns-felb.debis.de> In article <4ti7s5$p12@news.sns-felb.debis.de> specht@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM (Ralf Specht) writes: > does anyone know if there exists a ftp client (like GatorFTP) which supports > proxy-ftp over a firewall? ncftp is a Unix command line ftp utility that can be built on NeXT, with SOCKS support. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Pressing CDs for NEXTSTEP files Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 30 Jul 1996 09:16:02 GMT Organization: Fachbereich Informatik, TH Darmstadt, Deutschland Message-ID: <4tkjsi$206e@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <4tjdn0$nqj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com wrote: > So let's say I have a product ready to ship and I've collected all my files > in a subdirectory on my NEXTSTEP/Intel machine. Can anyone tell me, (or point > me to a resource that can), the way to burning a CD-ROM. > Is there a way to get my NEXTSTEP files onto WinNT's file system and then > press the CD from there? Yes. On the NeXT machine, use mkisofs to create an ISO image for the new CDROM. On the W95 partition, run a software that burns the ISO image to CD (can't be done safely under UNIX becausse of real time requirements, bla, bla). PD software and info can be obtained from http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/FAQ.html. Find mkisofs with Archie or by checking Linux archives. Compiles ok on the NeXT. Please report on your experiences here, as I have not yet completed step two (I used Astarte CD Toast on MacOS instead). Best wishes, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "I ride tandem with a random.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // +49 6151 16-3414 fax: -5472
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: NeXT/Unix program like DOS scandisk? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DvC40s.9KK@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 02:24:28 GMT References: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960729125230.5177B-100000@nerc1.nerc.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960729125230.5177B-100000@nerc1.nerc.com>, Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > >Is there any NeXT/Unix program out there which will do what the DOS >program 'scandisk' does? If so, where can it be found? > >scandisk, for those who don't know, is a program which scans disks for >errors and attempts to fix them. > >I've been able to use scandisk to fix problems which weren't fixed using >UNIX's fsck.... > Did you use fack "heavily", ie. with an unmounted filesystem and an explicit run, as in "fsck /dev/whatever"? I've found it quite good at repairing problems when run that way. The automatic fsck that is run at bootup (the "preen") isn't nerely as thorough. > > > > > -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: problem with Adaptec 1542 CP Date: 30 Jul 1996 10:07:04 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <4tkms8$odn@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <31FC8488.28CF0844@worldnet.net> Richard PIACENTINI <ricp@worldnet.net> writes: > Plextor 6x CDROM on an adaptec 1542 CP and when booting with next > installation disk i've got a message saying that "No SCSI card and CDROM > can be found".I've tried to desactivate all EIDE HD in the BIOs but it > didn't work at all....Did someone ever have this problem ?? Yeah, the CP is a right pig. turn off the plug & play and it should work o.k. though. Thats what I found after *lots* of grief over several weeks. -bat.
From: cyprien.pacini@span.ch (PACINI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FAX MODEM Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:49 GMT Organization: Petrel Communications - Geneva Switzerland Message-ID: <4tl21d$h4s@news.petrel.ch> I HAVE A X-TRUM MODEM FAX, AND I CAN CONNECT TO MY FRIEND WITH A GAME, BUT THEY CAN'T CONNECT WITH ME ..........DO YOU KNOW WHY ??? SEND ME AT : CYPRIEN.PACINI2SPAN.CH THANK YOU VERY MUTCH BYE BYE
From: Nick Potkay <npotkay@integ.micrognosis.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: turning on a next station. Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:25:31 -0400 Organization: CSK Micrognosis Distribution: inet Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960730122231.905A-100000@cycle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Folks, Forgive my ignorance, but I could not find any information regarding turning on a nextstation. This machine has been in the closet for who knows how long and we would like to get rid of it. The keyboard has a power key on it, but just hitting that key doesnt turn the machine on. What is the key sequence to turn on the machine? Also - I am pretty sure that the machine has a root passwd, (which I dont know). How do I go about putting this beast into single user mode? Thanks -Nick
From: Holger Hoffstaette <hhoff@modern-video.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Pressing CDs for NEXTSTEP files Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:22:42 +0200 Organization: Modern Video Media Group Message-ID: <31FE28C2.1D8D@modern-video.de> References: <4tjdn0$nqj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <4tkjsi$206e@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Christian Neuss wrote: > Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com wrote: > > > So let's say I have a product ready to ship and I've collected all my files > > in a subdirectory on my NEXTSTEP/Intel machine. Can anyone tell me, (or point > > me to a resource that can), the way to burning a CD-ROM. > (..) > > Yes. On the NeXT machine, use mkisofs to create an ISO image for the > new CDROM. On the W95 partition, run a software that burns the ISO > image to CD (can't be done safely under UNIX becausse of real time > requirements, bla, bla). PD software and info can be obtained from Not true: Linux gets the job done just fine. Been there, seen some- one do that. I agree that the mkisofs route is a good one to take, though you really waste a lot of disk space in the process. Holger -- Holger Hoffstδtte (hhoff@modern-video.de) Modern Video Media Group Stuttgart, Germany

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