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From: briggman@universe.digex.net (Dave Briggman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kai's Power Goo Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:27:37 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <5a9fkp$mev@news3.digex.net> References: <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> <5a7ovm$p4a@usc.edu> Matthew N. Reichman (reichman@usc.edu) wrote: : In <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> johno@trump.net.au wrote: : > Has anyone got Power Goo and can they email it to me please. : > John Edwards. (johno@trump.net.au) : > : > : : What is it? It's copy protected image-altering software...available from ANY reseller...even the original poster's country.
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: frivolous monitor question Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:34:29 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680003012961534300001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do any of the black NeXT color monitors have the same cool stand the mono monitors do? Do all the mono monitors have that stand? (I'm referring to the original stand.) john --- - ------- ------- And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables. - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 30 Dec 1996 08:09:39 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) wrote: > What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? > It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with > Windows (and OPENSTEP for Windows). > > A quality multi processor Pentium motherboard, with onboard SCSI, > video, and pure PCI (no ISA, no VL-Bus) would be a super machine. > > I guess it might confuse the market though... and perhaps better > served by Compaq and HP. My own guess is that there is zero chance of this happening in 1997. Maybe a 5% chance in 1998. Who knows about 1999. By then Apple might ease out of the hardware business altogether, and just sell the Mac OS to companies making "Mac clones". If they are still into hardware, they are not likely to be looking to build anything based on Pentium chips. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:45:42 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a9gmm$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> thoma@track.cslab.tuwien.ac.at (Johannes Thoma) wrote: >Adam Bridge (abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us) wrote: >> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > >> > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >> > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to >> > > see it. >> > >> > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ >> > has to do sysadmin work!!!! >> > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in >> > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) >> > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside >> > world without being under Unix. The Admin tools under Next have a very easy to use UI. You need not know any unix to configure Next. I have my Intel up and running just fine on a T3 to the Internet and also networked to an original Nextstation without using the command line.....besides I know nothing about Unix commands anyway......
From: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 96 17:55:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <AEEDB2AD-1417B7@199.183.202.57> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy >>Even with the new management in place, I'm not comfortable with the idea >>that we can just sit back and assume that Apple will "do the right thing" >>about ANY of this >>-and not just GX, one of Apple's "orphaned" technologies, according to more >>than one Mac magazine article... You are entitled to your beliefs. However, if you want to scream about it, it's probably more useful to do so to Apple, not to this newsgroup. -- Ishir Bhan ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu
From: thecros@winternet.com (Michael Charles Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> Control: cancel <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:44:36 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5a9gkk$h05@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: david_rehring@gdt.com (David Rehring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:24:00 -0800 Organization: GDT Softworks, Inc. Message-ID: <david_rehring-ya023680003012961524000001@news.aurora.net> References: <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> <AEEBC2DD-2BE24@207.158.13.39> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AEEBC2DD-2BE24@207.158.13.39>, "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: ... stuff deleted >> >>Yes it is possible... however I understood that GX already had the >>ability to rasterize PS on screen... so adding the DPS stuff might not >>be that hard. >> umm. I don't think Apple has implemented a PS interpreter within GX, so they can't rasterize PS to the screen or anywhere else. Later, -- David Rehring Senior Software Engineer GDT Softworks, Inc. And all around insane guy!
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:32:35 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961832350001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com>, mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) wrote: )It all depends. What year did you want OPENSTEP for MacIntosh to )ship? ) )1) Display PostScript is part of the OPENSTEP spec. )2) Existing OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP apps rely on it for a unified )printing and display model on all supported platforms and )architectures. )Revising the underlying graphics model and window system for OPENSTEP )might have significant impact on the ship date for a finished product. Very true. Altering the OpenStep spec. in any significant way with regards to GX is a long term project. )I'm not sure I'd want to consider it for the initial release unless )it's a known working solution on a significant portion of the )platforms that NeXT supports. In release 1, there has to be a way of connecting GX Viewports and the various different kinds of QTML Views to OpenStep windows. (Incidentally there's are cross-platform versions of Quickdraw, the Resource Manager, and a few other toolbox APIs in Quicktime 2.5) The internal GX->Postscript converter must also be included. Any new UI widgets Apple makes should try to use GX instead of DPS, this will help with maintaining a consistent UI for the new OS and subsequent Mac OS 7.x releases; there's no sense in maintaining separate DPS and 'plain' QD code for the same widget when GX could allow the same source to be used for both. If Apple does go with NuKernel for PowerMacs, then a lot of things like GX and QTML would be already up and running and need only minor modifications. )Has QuickDraw GX been implemented on any platforms other than the )MacIntosh? (I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been following this )very closely.) Apple has a windows version running but they've been rather secretive about it. Though they have recently announced a product, Apple Electrifier for Windows, which requires GX to run. GX in general has very few dependencies on the Mac OS. In the hundreds of calls that make up its API there are probably less than 10 which take in Mac OS specific structures. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 16:43:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >In <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Lawrence D=91Oliveiro wrote: > >> No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they did. The >> PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting marks on paper, not >> on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't really do anything to >> address this issue. Keep PostScript on the printer, where it belongs! >> > >Well, we are in a free thinking world! Think as you like... > >My Display PostScript is even free to display your bullshit on my screen. It >does it well but I think my UN*X will provide some kill file for your >'thoughts'! But DPS is based on a model that assumes opaque paper. GX doesn't assume this for the screen, and merely assumes a pure white screen as the *starting point* for printing. > >I've seen such statements by ignorant bozos in 1988... But they had an excuse >by then. DPS was not available. > Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND screen graphics model. GX was. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:10:54 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R3012961810540001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com>, scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > In article <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, > fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: > > >MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? > > > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as > fast as M$.... > Couldn't resist... Xerox - the copier company, copied. J.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:51:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961851210001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: done in 1988 with DPS... NeXT was using .movie files )(i.e. PS) to show animation with, guess what, over-laid transparent )layers, text and arbitrary shapes, etc.... Imagine that, all on )an 68030. And it was working far harder than a GX based implementation would have. Furthermore it would be require a lot more work to model CMYK's subtractive nature. With a single of GX call you can instantly have a shape combine colors subtractively with hat its drawn over as in CMYK or additively as in RGB. All conversions and computations are handled automatically. Again there's none of the manual segmentation that would be needed in Postscript to achieve the same effect. Remember there is more than one kind of transparency. You can do a lot of other very useful things like assign a halftone pattern to a viewport so you test out different screens and dot-shapes without having to alter the geometry definition of what you're drawing. (The transparency will still work with a halftone btw.) -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 16:58:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDA810-2CCAD@198.68.42.169> References: <5a9ccl$g8n@duke.squonk.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> said: >scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >> jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >> >> > Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a >> > BIG BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page >> > look exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... >> >> SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a >> nice compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be >> there for those that choose to use it. Make sense? > >If you are arguing that the new OS should support quickdrawGX, then >you have a good point. Maybe not in the first (developers) release, >but as soon as practical. Apple will need to have some kind of >compatability mode for that anyway, and it would probably make more >sense to have that in the OS layer (available to all apps) instead >of the emulation layer (only available to things written to the >system 7 toolbox). > >Some people seem to be arguing that DPS should be ripped out of >NeXTSTEP, and replaced with QDGX. I think this is extremely >impractical, given the time constraints Apple needs to pay attention >to. To a large degree, it really makes no difference how superior >that QDGX might be to DPS. If the project takes too long to do, >then QDGX simply can not replace DPS. The time-constraints issue is obviously true. OTOH, if Adobe wants to charge too much for shipping 4-6 million copies of DPS per year, Apple absolutely HAS to write its own DPS server based on GX. There really is no "advantage" for DPS over GX concerning DPS being PS. If one is using actual PS *code* for display on the screen, than obviously one has to use a real PostSCript interpreter or Apple's hypothetical GX-based one, but either way, there would be a 1:1 correspondence between screen and output. GX uses a 32-bit fixed point number for all coordinates. Unless someone is using >32,000 pixels-wide images with better than 1/32000 parts per pixel accuracy, there would never be a problem, and obviously one can scale the image internally to handle any realistically printable special case. My suggestion, which I've put out before, is simply: First release of NeXT/MacOS: DPS-only. Subsequent release should support GX. Subsequent release should use GX for internal GUI stuff, giving it the potential that comes from using GX's superior OO graphics and text handling (for speed, if nothing else). DPS must ALWAYS be around in some form to support legacy apps and apps that are targetted for non-GX platforms. The reason why we GX fanatics are so fanatical about promoting GX isn't because we somehow expect Apple to rip out GX in the first release of NeXT/MacOS, but because we know Apple: internal politics at Apple (even more than other companies) can easily kill projects, and unless we get enough people excited about GX's potential, GX may easily go away, not based on the merits of GX vs DPS, but merely based on internal politics in Apple that have nothing to do with the real world, but only with whose ego is bigger. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 17:07:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDAA27-34A55@198.68.42.169> References: <AEEDB2AD-1417B7@199.183.202.57> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ishir Bhan <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> said: >>>Even with the new management in place, I'm not comfortable with the idea >>>that we can just sit back and assume that Apple will "do the right thing" >>>about ANY of this >>>-and not just GX, one of Apple's "orphaned" technologies, according to >more >>>than one Mac magazine article... > >You are entitled to your beliefs. However, if you want to scream about it, >it's probably more useful to do so to Apple, not to this newsgroup. > WHich newsgroup are you reading this from? I see these in the header: comp.sys.next.misc comp.sys.mac.misc comp.sys.mac.system comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy comp.sys.mac.advocacy comp.sys.next.advocacy some of which are probably not appropriate, come to think of it... Trimmed powerpc.advocacy. The rest might have SOME relevancy. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:18:15 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961918160001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: )rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: )I will sidestep the issue of DPS vs QuickDrawGX (because I really )don't know enough technical details to say which is better), I )would just like to note that most developers will probably be able )to do what they want without ever learning a line of postscript. )For most things in NeXTSTEP, you do not write postscript, but you )call OpenStep routines which write the postscript for you. True, but that's a pretty telling statement about Postscript coding. ;) )This is the main reason why I expect that removing DPS and replacing )it with QDGX would be a major project (one that is going to take )too long to do). If there is *no* display postscript, then Apple )will have to rewrite much of the OpenStep libraries to convert them )to quickdraw GX, and to do it in a way that's compatable with )customizations that *are* done via postscript. I've never advocated ripping it out. I'm in favor of a gradual integration of GX into OpenStep. To the extent that after 2-3 years of work, developers will be able to create any of the existing elements using GX or DPS, but new elements would be primarily GX and QTML-based. GX's font and layout features alone are enough to warrant its emphasis over DPS in a future appkit. There's no way any classes wrapped on top of DPS are going to touch GX's built-in capabilities and ease of use in those areas without a *lot * of time and work. )It could be useful )to have QuickDrawGX support in the new operating system, but I do )not think that it is realistic to think that QDGX could be used to )completely replace DPS. Not in six months, at least, and not given )all the other more important projects that Apple should concentrate )on. GX *could* completely replace DPS, but it can't because OpenStep users need to be supported. It should however be useable in a very minimal way in the first release, (This is *not* hard) and during the subsequent releases it should be gradually incorporated into the OpenStep API as a whole, 'Replacing' DPS, but not elimininating it. i.e. DPS will be there in the exact same place it is now for those who need and want it. )Offhand I think this is one of those issues that Apple (or Adobe) )should fix in DPS. It really is a shame that it's so easy to do )transparency when writing to the screen, and then you suddenly )have a few extra steps to go thru for that transparency info to )be correctly printed. It can be a rather tricky process and is in conflict with using Postscript as a unifying API. I view Postscript as 'printer asm.' You never should have to write it yourself, instead something easier to use should generate it for you. There should be a nice layer of abstraction that does all of the dirty work like handling transparency for you. I am somewhat surprised that Next didn't put a PS filter in its API at some low level that will make sure that PS files with transparency get printed correctly. It should be very feasible with their class libraries. Stuff like that is what OOP is for. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:14:22 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 30 Dec 1996 17:07:08 GMT, jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) wrote: >In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: >> I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ >> has to do sysadmin work!!!! >> Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in >> the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) >> It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside >> world without being under Unix. > > Whoa, hang on a second- Sendmail is a _router_, not a client! Sendmail is everything. It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. My favorite sendmail bug: The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the /etc/passwd file with something like: root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh Makes for some very interesting weekends... 8*) -- Sang. ******************************************************** * Sang K. Choe sangria@inlink.com * * http://sangria.inlink.com/index.html * * finger: sang@sangria.inlink.com * ********************************************************
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:19:39 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961919390001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com>, scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: )In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: ) )>Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG )>BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look )>exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... )> )SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a nice )compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be there for those )that choose to use it. Make sense? Absolutely. DPS will probably be used by Adobe and OpenStep folk. GX will probably be more popular with mainstream Mac programmers,. Apple should look towards deeply incorporating GX into the new OS' appkit during the next 2-3 years. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:14:21 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric King wrote: > > In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > )Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running full speed, > )on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using QuckdrawGX back then, > )in June of 1994. The clips weren't being displayed flip-book style on > )a laser printer, either. > > I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. > Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping > them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. GX > handles it with ease and speed. Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:55:45 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >|> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >|> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. > >|> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. > >Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised >their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D >staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything >more than just your opinion? > I haven't seen any support for the 2 - 7 million figure but let's say it's right on. Xerox SHOULD have rented the widows/mice stuff in the same way that MS rented BASIC. Very poor management decision. Xerox got screwed - plain and simple.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 18:12:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDB973-6E26E@198.68.42.169> References: <david_rehring-ya023680003012961524000001@news.aurora.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >umm. I don't think Apple has implemented a PS interpreter within GX, so >they can't rasterize PS to the screen or anywhere else. Ummm... How would they translate GX into PS or PS into GX calls for use with a vector-based plotter if they didn't have some kind of PS<=>GX translation facility. The question is: how efficient is it and can they make one efficient enough to implement a GX-based Ghostscript server that is at least as fast as what DPS would be like on PowerMacs? --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 18:18:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDBAF2-73C70@198.68.42.169> References: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. >> Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping >> them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. GX >> handles it with ease and speed. > >Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? I don't know about speed. It's part of the API to switch between color spaces automatically with the transfer modes: source/destination color spaces are contained within the ink object that specifies the transfer type; specialized matrices for handling specialized tasks dealing with transfer types and conversions between color spaces are also part of ink objects. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: tbrown@netset.com (Ted Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:43:15 -0500 Organization: NetSet Internet Services -- Columbus, Ohio Message-ID: <tbrown-ya023080003012962043150001@news.netset.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com>, vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) wrote: >Mac programmers with intimate knowledge of C++, and the Mac Toolbox >with its idosyncracies have, apparently, been left behind...in one >fell swoop. > >"Everything you know, is wrong." Unfortunately, sometimes there is a price to pay for progress. Apple tried to preserve the old Mac API and it ended in the morass that Copeland became. I'd bet that C++ will live on in the API's that Apple adds to OpenStep, like the QuickTime Media Layer. Wonder if Game Sprockets will be ported? >Now Mac programmers have to choose to either learn the New MacStep, or >to move over to the Windows world. The transition will be the same for >them either way, as they will both be new environments that won't have >much in common with what they are doing now. If anything, it would be >EASIER to move to Windows as they can drag their hard learned C++ >knowledge over to MFC. Ah, just take a look over the MFC and talk to a few who've used it (maybe even try it out for awhile). Then, talk to a few OpenStep programmers. If you can take the pain of developing for windows, more power too you. After taking the knocks to learn C++, maybe you've developed a thick enough head to take the knocks to learn Windows programming. BTW, no one has said that you can't use C++ to write programs for OpenStep (you can), so I'd think that things could only get better for whatever Apple releases. Still, if you must find something written in C++ to make you feel good, then take a look at Be. >Of course, you can use (or could) C++ on the NeXTSTEP, but the API >isn't really designed for it. There aren't (yet) any third party >frameworks for NeXTSTEP, there probably wasn't much of a point! Hmm....one of the reasons that there aren't any third party frameworks is because the OpenStep framework is as good or better than everything else out there (esp when coupled with Interface Builder). Otherwise, the Fortune 500 would never pay a dime for it. >This is a dramatic move for Apple, and they are going to have to work >very hard to not throw the baby out with the bath water. The Developer >community is the lifeblood of any platform, and I think as exciting as >this purchase sounds, it is in reality a rude shock to most. Apple >will need to provide some tools to help port the huge codebase >available on the Mac today to the new environment. I'm sure that there will be some tools. But, no matter what Apple did, they had to sever ties with the past sometime. There will be pain and suffering in the transition. There's no way around it and you are correct that Apple will have to work ease the transition and developer fears. Apple needed to make a dramatic move, it's much better than sitting around watching Windows eat away at the 10 year lead that Apple had. >This isn't meant to be a comparison of which environment is better or >worse or whatever, it is meant to look at the question of not only >legacy code, but legacy coders. I'm sure all those Apple II programmers understand what you are talking about. The transition will be much less painfull this time. -- Ted Brown tbrown@netset.com Communicating at an unknown rate -- PPP 1.0fc9 I was not looking forward to living in Columbus, Ohio anyway. -- Jean-Louis Gassée, CEO of Be, Inc.
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 31 Dec 1996 01:13:47 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5a9pcb$26m@news.istar.ca> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5a999h$gig@client3.news.psi.net> In-Reply-To: <5a999h$gig@client3.news.psi.net> On 12/30/96, Tim Triemstra wrote: >Also, C++ is hardly gone when programming with NeXT, only the >interface and event code is really stuck to ObjC, and that is >certainly bearable - and easy to learn. I'm sure some frameworks >will be ported in C++ because there will be a market for >it, but a C++ interface is not as elegant as an ObjC one is. If all these programmers already know C++, it's only gonna take them one day to figure out how to program in Objective C. Besides a difference in syntax and a few divergent features, they're both pretty similar since they are both a superset of C. A little more tricky will be learning to take advantage of the robust dynamic binding characteristics of Objective C when designing applications, but in the end this will allow for better constructed programs with fewer cludges. (Objective C also supports static and late binding like C++, so a programmer can always fall back onto what he already knows). -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -=- jsamson@istar.ca -=- NeXTmail & MIME welcome -============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul/ -=============- -===================================================================-
From: dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:51:13 GMT Organization: TNI Message-ID: <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >>MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? >> >More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as >fast as M$.... There is an all-important difference between "imitating" and "successfully implementing and marketing" innovative ideas. In the computer industry, the innovative ideas seldom come from big corporations. They are more likely to emerge from individuals and small startup ventures. A company selling a computer platform, however, has to select the ideas that are out there, integrate them into something useful and marketable, then market the results. They must also support the resulting platform in a myriad of ways. In the end, it is not originality, and certainly not GUI elegance, that carries the day. What computer users want is a platform that will run their applications and that is compatible with what others use. Microsoft fills these needs quite well for most, which is why Windows reigns supreme. All else is aficionado talk. No one is going to throw out Windows for MacStep simply because it has a prettier interface, or is "original". ------ John De Hoog dehoog@super.zippo.com
From: dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:05:50 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) wrote: >Sendmail is everything. >It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. >And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. >My favorite sendmail bug: >The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. >Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the >/etc/passwd file with something like: The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing /etc/passwd to the postmaster... Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the uudecode/uuencode aliases. David LeBlanc |Why would you want to have your desktop user, dleblanc@mindspring.com |your mere mortals, messing around with a 32-bit |minicomputer-class computing environment? |Scott McNealy
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 17:20:13 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5a8tkd$1tr@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> Cc: english@primenet.com >BTW, what are the limits of DPS as far as multiple monitors are concerned? I had two monitors on my cube, one two-bit grey w/o acceleration, the other 32-bit true color with an i860 processor board, 64MB memory (on the graphics board) and live video in/output (a NeXTDimension board). I have seen systems with more monitors than two, so I guess there is no limitation that really would matter. Maybe if you have more than 8 monitors the preferences application would not be able to let you arrange them graphically, but that would be it. And I'm absolutely positive that DPS does not limit the maximum number of pixels to 32000x32000, PS being used to resolutions of 2400 lines per *inch*, rather than 1200 lines per *monitor*. When you moved a window from the 2-bit grey screen to the true color screen the window would be displayed in greyscale on the greyscale monitor, and in true color on the other. While you were moving it. The only thing that did not work was if you had the live video feed window across both monitors. Then there would be only black on the greyscale monitor. As soon as you made it still video, though, the greyscale half would be rendered. Of course there is no extra code needed on the application side to support multiple monitors. Oh, and by the way, it is very nice to be able to preview on screen the exact PS code that the printer gets. And of course you can zoom by a factor of twenty or so and place your characters, gadgets, images, lines etc. *really* *precisely*, not snapped to some 32000x32000 grid like in QD or GDI. So I suggest we call it painless. Volker
From: Tom Stepleton <ssteplet@artsci.wustl.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:35:14 -0600 Organization: Washington University in St. Louis, MO USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C889F2.5FCB4DAD@artsci.wustl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: christw@lexis-nexis.com CC: intrepid@internet1.net > In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: > > |> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the > |> technology for the Macintosh, > > Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC > did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a > GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. > > |> The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this > |> technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer > |> consumer. > > Yes, he did. You're both a tad off. Xerox did not develop *most* of the technology used in the Lisa and the Mac. It did, however, develop the concept of a graphical user interface until it was practical to use, and subsequently ignored it. In return for some stock deals, select Apple execs and developers, prodded by Jef Raskin, were allowed an afternoon visit to Xerox PARC. Steve Jobs left a changed man and soon determined that Apple's next high-performance machine, the Lisa, would have a GUI. Apple engineers set to work, remembering what they had seen over the visit to PARC. Though they replicated many of the concepts they saw, an essentially new GUI emerged, with new innovations like drop-down menus and a one-button mouse, to name a few. There were similarites; both had a background program called "Scavenger" that cleaned the drives, for example. There was no one company that did this. As usual, it falls in the gray area in between. I suggest you visit my Apple Lisa Web Page http://galena.tj.edu.inter.net/tom/ Followups redirected accordingly. Later, --Tom +-----------+---------------------------+ ____ | Stepleton | ssteplet@artsci.wustl.edu |>-------|\__/_/__ +-----------+---------------------------+ \________}
From: "Thomas L. Ferrell" <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 31 Dec 1996 06:16:34 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab Message-ID: <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Long message completely snipped. Actually, there's plenty of time and help for the transition---see Altura's annoncement in this newsgroup, for example. Moreover, not everything we know is wrong. A knowledge of C is certainly beneficial, and experience with the present API will not hurt us in light of what Apple will bring to NeXT--a host of great technologies that will at least have a familiar ring. In any case, after struggling with Visual C++ for awhile, I've come to appreciate Metrowerks a lot more with their Codewarrior package--it's going to include the stuff we need in the near term. BTW, LS is making aFortran compiler for Codewarrior. tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: robert@onevision.de (Robert Wunderer) Subject: Re: Why does samba compile fail? Message-ID: <E38DLv.13x@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <32C3F27E.278C@ssnet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:29:55 GMT In article <32C3F27E.278C@ssnet.com> "Hassan N. Kelley" <hassan@ssnet.com> writes: > I cannot build samba-1.9.16p9. I believe all of the sources are > compiled but the build fails during the linking. I noticed that > in the make file the symbol "LIBS" was not assigned to anything. > Anyway I would appreciate anyhelp from anybody. By the way I am running > NEXTSTEP 3.3. > > Thank you > > > Hassan [several lines deleted] Hi Hassan, some time ago I compiled samba-1.9.16p9 for NS 3.3 QuadFat and faced the same problem. You are right, all of the sources ARE compiled. You need not assign the symbol LIBS to anything. You now have to modify two of the source files. Here is what worked for me and probably will work for you: open source/chgpasswd.c and search for the line if ((wpid = waitpid(pid, &wstat, 0)) < 0) and change it to if ((wpid = sys_waitpid(pid, &wstat, 0)) < 0) { Then open source/system.c and search for the line return waitpid(pid,status,options); change it to return wait4(pid, status, options, NULL); Save both files and recompile. Please let me know whether you succeeded. Good luck, Robert. ========================================================================== Robert Wunderer OneVision GmbH Support Zeissstrasse 9 Email:robert@onevision.de 93053 Regensburg (NextMail,MIME welcome) Germany ==========================================================================
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:27:49 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) wrote: >> What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? >Who knows about 1999. By then Apple might ease out of the hardware >business altogether, and just sell the Mac OS to companies making >"Mac clones". If they are still into hardware, they are not likely >to be looking to build anything based on Pentium chips. Of course, depending on software revenues would mean that Apple's next offering has to grab sizeable chunks of the Dark Side's marketshare. Apple couldn't drop hardware unless Microsoft is held in check. Could that even happen by '99? I hope so, but I doubt it. I doubt Apple would even drop hardware, for various reasons; but the important thing is that they rely less on it for revenue. john --- - ------- ------- You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 31 Dec 1996 05:42:12 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf6dd$3cb327c0$78c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> David Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote in article <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7>... > Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: >>Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only >>the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to >>work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what >>I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different >>things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does >>all the time. The Mac doesn't have PMT at any level. What the Mac does have is interrupt based services that can be used to guarantee a process gets adequate CPU time -- depending on the process. There is also the Time Manager and the Deferred Task Manager. You can program interrupts with plain old DOS.
From: "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 31 Dec 1996 07:23:54 GMT Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote in article <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net>... > carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: > >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > > > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > >> different processors by thier Mhz... > > > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit.
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac->NeXTstation->printer Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:01:17 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If I have a Mac and a NeXTstation networked together, is it possible to print from the Mac to a NeXT laser printer hooked up to the NeXTstation? Or is there any other way to get from the Mac to the NeXT printer? Any help is much appreciated. john --- - ------- ------- You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 02:58:54 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R3112960258540001@news.erols.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: >scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > >>>MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? >>> >>More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as >>fast as M$.... > >There is an all-important difference between "imitating" and >"successfully implementing and marketing" innovative ideas. > I don't know if "successfully implementing" means anything to M$. AVI for instance? Yuck! OLE ick! They've got a flair for hype. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.mac.advocacy From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams) Subject: NeXT/Apple: ARDI is the missing key Message-ID: <tgmE39vy0.2s4@netcom.com> Keywords: Executor,NeXT,Mac,Taligent Organization: Happy New Year Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:03:36 GMT Sender: tgm@netcom23.netcom.com The NeXT/Apple deal offers tremendous potential to open another front in the war to break Microsoft's hegemony of the computer industry. Of course, Sun's JAVA also has opened its own front in this campaign. The success of these and other groups is needed to break Microsoft's strangle-hold on the industry, a strangle-hold that has sought to stifle competition and innovation. The NeXT/Apple deal is exciting because by leveraging existing technologies the phase lag from announcement to shipped OS product can be greatly diminished. In contrast, look at the woes of IBM's failed Taligent OO OS. It failed for many reasons, but a major factor was the need to build so much of Taligent from scratch--an undertaking that proved too formidable. On the other hand, the NeXT/Apple deal could hit the ground running if they shopped existing technologies to complete its mix. Common sense would dictate the first course of action: buy off-the-shelf technology that would allow Mac apps to run in the NeXT environment. Bingo! Instant Object Oriented Mac OS. Common sense dictates the supplier: New Mexico's ARDI, makers of Executor. These folks have a treasure chest of knowledge, a treasure chest full of tens of thousands of man hours of robustly making Mac apps run under NeXT (and other OS as well). Common sense would say compete now with existing technology. Don't reinvent the wheel; use the object approach. Let us hope that NeXT/Apple takes the shortest path from announcement to shipped product. Build on the proven and the known. Don't fall into the trap of the not-invented-here syndrome. Apple has dragged its feet too long, and here is an opportunity to quickly regain lost ground. Buy the objects, and connect the dots. Here's hoping wisdom and grace for all concerned parties. [disclaimer: I have no ties to NeXT, Apple or ARDI, these are just my personal thoughts.]
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:46:45 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aauf5$ibc@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> timdx@pacbell.net (Jeff Dallacqua) wrote: > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > wrote: > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? I don't know what other tools they used - I would expect that the artwork components were probably created on some other platform. I was referring to the game engine (and presumably some custom tools that aided development). -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok Want NeXTstep user environment info? Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/People/andrew/MacUsersGuideToNEXTSTEP/
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:25:56 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ab7pk$t8s@news3.digex.net> References: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> <AEEDBAF2-73C70@198.68.42.169> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough > >> these days. > >> Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, > >> clipping them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just > >> isn't up to that. GX handles it with ease and speed. > > > >Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? > I don't know about speed. It's part of the API to switch between > color spaces automatically with the transfer modes: source/destination > color spaces are contained within the ink object that specifies > the transfer type; specialized matrices for handling specialized > tasks dealing with transfer types and conversions between color > spaces are also part of ink objects. Again, in 1988 NeXT was making demos on 68030 equipment using DPS, overlaying transparencies and all kinds of stuff on animations. DPS can do those kinds of things w/o a problem. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:29:09 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND > screen graphics model. The funny thing is the DPS does do both well while... > GX was. ...often pukes on simple files... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:38:58 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ab8i2$t8s@news3.digex.net> References: <5a9ccl$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <AEEDA810-2CCAD@198.68.42.169> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Subsequent release should use GX for internal GUI stuff, giving > it the potential that comes from using GX's superior OO graphics > and text handling (for speed, if nothing else). I really havent seen any examples to substantiate claims of superiority. OpenStep (OO part) plus DPS (graphics part) seem to do all the same things and more reliably. If GX can be implemented in a way that is reliable, does more, and doesn't kill apple in amount of resources required, I say let's do it...we'd be fools not too.... I just haven't seen any compelling reasons to date... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 05:33:15 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0101970533150001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > >> ...whatever marks [DPS] *does* make will be very >> similar to the ones that can be made on paper. Definitely a >> limitation when drawing things to a computer screen where many >> things never have to be printed out. > >Jeez, what reality altering substances are you on! How many times >and in how many ways and how many examples do people have to show >before you comprehend that ___DISPLAY___ Postscript does an excellent >job of DISPLAYING? Excellent compared to what? Certainly not compared to GX. The GX graphics engine is not only more powerful than the PostScript one, it is also faster and uses less RAM. >Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG >BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look >exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... GX does a better a job of this than Display PostScript can. Remember, Display PostScript includes commands that PostScript printers (even Level 2 ones) don't understand! Whereas GX includes a powerful GX-to-PostScript translator that takes care of all the common PostScript headaches for you, including Level-2-versus-Level-1 compatibility, path complexity limitations, font RAM usage and so on. >I have yet to hear one >single feature that can be accomplished in GX that cannot be >duplicated in DPS. Perspective transformations applied to text, while keeping it fully editable. Glyph substitutions that automatically break and reform as you type. Direct support for the Unicode bidirectional line-layout algorithm. A wide variety of Photoshop-like transparency effects. A plug-in font architecture that is completely font-format-neutral. You want me to keep going? For more info about GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:32:31 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C85F1F.1A6E@exnext.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R3012961810540001@news.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason S. wrote: > > In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com>, > scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > > > In article <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, > > fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: > > > > >MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? > > > > > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as > > fast as M$.... > > > > Couldn't resist... > > Xerox - the copier company, copied. Unfortunately, MS can't quite manage Xerox quality. More like a dog-eared mimeograph. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: Zachery Joseph Bir <zbir@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:54:56 -0500 Organization: Very little Message-ID: <mbt3ewmhcwv.fsf@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R3012961810540001@news.earthlink.net> <32C85F1F.1A6E@exnext.com> "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> writes: > > Jason S. wrote: > > > > In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com>, > > scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > > > > > In article <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, > > > fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: > > > > > > >MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? > > > > > > > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as > > > fast as M$.... > > > > > > > Couldn't resist... > > > > Xerox - the copier company, copied. > > Unfortunately, MS can't quite manage Xerox quality. More > like a dog-eared mimeograph. More like a child tracing through lined paper. > > -- > Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. > OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati > http://www.steeldriving.com > > -- Zachery J. Bir - zbir@indiana.edu http://seven.ucs.indiana.edu/~zbir/index.html
From: russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:58:36 -0500 Organization: Ghotinet Message-ID: <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> In article <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, Thomas L. Ferrell <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> wrote: }>Long message completely snipped. } }Actually, there's plenty of time and help for the transition---see }Altura's annoncement in this newsgroup, for example. But there can be no transition. Apple's in a race for survival. They managed to change horses in mid-stride with hardly a pause when they went to PowerPC. Now it looks like they are willing to throw it all away and try something new. But already many developers are not developing for the Mac market because of the far more lucrative PC market. Many of those who are developing for that Mac market are probably doing so because that's what they know. Take that away, and the lure of the Dark Side (with all that cash) becomes much stronger. What happens if, say, Adobe decides that porting Photoshop over isn't worth it? Or if none of the word processor vendors see a need to port their product? If Microsoft itself doesn't bother writing Office for NewOS? Then Apple goes down and takes all the smaller developers with them. Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't it succeed the first time? -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@pond.com "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 06:04:55 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0101970604560001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr> In article <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: >"Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >>QD (and by extension, GX) allow a maximum of 32,000x32,000x32-bit pixels >>using any number of monitors in any configuration of color-depths, sizes, >>shapes, etc, as long as every monitor touches at least one other monitor. > >I don't know the max number of pixels nor the max number of monitors, >but I know that a window can't be bigger than 10,000x10,000 pixels (which >is, at 72 dpi, 3.52 meter). I seem to recall a mention on comp.lang.postscript that there was a Display PostScript limitation on creating bitmaps larger than 3072 by 3072 pixels. This was deliberate, to prevent you from using Display PostScript as an excuse to avoid buying an overpriced PostScript printer. Not only has GX no such limitation, but I believe you can assemble bitmaps larger than 32000 by 32000 pixels by using an offscreen variation of its multiple-screen support. >But in this case I don't bother about this limit which is suffisant >for me : I don't need 5 meter displays. 1) Wall-sized displays could become cost-effective in future. The chances are very good that, by then, all of today's hardware will be obsolete, but a lot of today's software will still be in use. 2) Smaller, higher-resolution displays would be equally nice. Imagine a 300-dpi screen... >What is important is the power of the graphical engine. Under some mac >apps, you're limited by the max size of the font, or the max size of >the page, or the limit of the zoom factor and so on. As Eric King has pointed out, GX applications tend to be less constrained by such limits. By the way, here's an interesting fact: Acrobat Reader won't let me zoom in more than 800%, whereas I can zoom in more than that in a GX-based application. >With DPS, I'm not limited. I can create text bigger than 720 pt (no >visible limit : 256,000 pt works fine)... This brings up another point: PostScript has no inherent concept of text size. That is, all text is notionally rendered at a 1-point size, scaled up to the appropriate size by a separate transformation matrix. GX not only has transformation matrices, it also has a separate notion of text size. The difference is important, as any typographer or type designer will tell you (and no, this has nothing to do with resolution-dependence or hinting). One way to get around it in PostScript is to create a Multiple Master font which has an "optical size" axis. Which brings us to another point, that Multiple Master fonts are easier to use in GX applications than in Adobe's own software... >I can create 5 meter large >pages (in PM6.0, max is about 1 meter, in NS again, no limit), I can zoom >at any rate within my app (25,000 % is fine, whereas on the standard mac >DTP app, the limit is 800 % or 1600 %. For my job, 800 % is sometimes >not enough). > >Yes, DPS might look rude but it does the job and is only limited by >storage consideration (long int ? long long ? 80 bit FP ?) OK, I'll admit this is one area where Display PostScript has it over GX. GX uses 32-bit fixed-point numbers for its coordinates, whereas PostScript uses floating-point numbers. I should point out that floating point must be a source of significant overhead: after all, Acrobat PDF is defined so that you can get away with 32-bit fixed-point numbers without having to use floating point, and people are saying that PDF is the future of PostScript...
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 31 Dec 1996 17:25:53 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-3112961227490001@news.sover.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <m3g20n915u.fsf@cygnus.horizoncomp.com> In article <m3g20n915u.fsf@cygnus.horizoncomp.com>, juvvadi@cygnus.horizoncomp.com (Ramana R. Juvvadi) wrote: > Even for a single user PC superuser makes sense. Whenever you are in > superuser mode you let your guard up. Whenever you are in user mode > you let your guard down and relax. Other was you can end up inadvertently > deleting your entire hard disk :-) Standard Mac (and very likely NeXT) response- "Sorry, you cannot remove the disk with the active system software from the desktop." "Sorry, the file 'The Microkernel' is in use and cannot be deleted." "Are you sure you want to delete all files on the disk 'My _other_ disk without the system files on it but with lots of important stuff on it'? (cancel) (OK)" And _cancel_ had better be the default answer returned if you instinctively clear the dialog box by hitting return... This having-to-be-on-guard-every-second might give a nice adrenaline rush and sense of great power and responsibility, but it's just not worth it. Note that you can still wipe the hard disk- _only_ if you are paying attention and confirm a message in plain language saying that that's what you're doing. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:35:29 -0500 Organization: Harvard Medical School Message-ID: <AEEEB9119668197F25@bos-ma9-12.ix.netcom.com> References: <AEEDB2AD-1417B7@199.183.202.57> <AEEDAA27-34A55@198.68.42.169> In article <AEEDAA27-34A55@198.68.42.169>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: >WHich newsgroup are you reading this from? I'm reading it from comp.sys.next.advocacy (which seems to be the primary source for discussions on the new OS these days), but my point was that we have already established here that it would be nice if Apple put in GX at some point in the future. Rather than trying to convince the newsgroups' readers of the benefits of GX, it might be better to communicate directly with Apple.
From: Walter Daugherity <daugher@tamu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IBM 6x86 CPU ?? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:57:41 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University Message-ID: <32C95414.41C67EA6@tamu.edu> References: <32BF5805.41C67EA6@tamu.edu> <59o0md$ir0$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au Leigh Smith <leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au> wrote: >Using OmniWeb 2.X? I can consistently hang the 3.3p1 kernel starting up >Omniweb 2.X with a revision 2.7 6x86 133Mhz which does not happen if I >swap for an equivalent speed Pentium. This has been confirmed by at least >two other 6x86 people. Omnigroup have suggested the problem is deep in >mach kernel thread code. It'll take a miracle for it to ever be fixed. >Don't buy one. I'm trying desparately to sell mine for the best I can get >for it. Yikes! You're right--OmniWeb hangs my 100 MHz Cyrix 6x86 (Step 1, Rev 4). Better report it to Cyrix. They are very proud of their 100% compatability with Intel. -- Walter C. Daugherity Dept. of Computer Science E-mail: daugher@tamu.edu Texas A & M University http://www.cs.tamu.edu/faculty/daugher/ College Station, TX 77843-3112 ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:06:18 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5cilgn.pcq.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> >Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty >MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for >the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc >running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit. Bravo, a well reasoned and erudite argument! You're not a member of Toastmaster's are you by any chance? -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: Henry McGilton <henry@trilithon.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:20:58 +0000 Organization: Pacific Traders Message-ID: <32C8E90A.5FD6@trilithon.com> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr> <ldo-0101970604560001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: * I seem to recall a mention on comp.lang.postscript * that there was a Display PostScript limitation on * creating bitmaps larger than 3072 by 3072 pixels. * This was deliberate, to prevent you from using Display * PostScript as an excuse to avoid buying an overpriced * PostScript printer. Bollocks. There were/are limitations on the *resolution*, and thus the total size of the bitmap image, which were forced upon Next/Adobe by Adobe's high-end [imagesetter] licensees like Linotype-Hell and others. The limitations are not inherent in the Display PostScript System. ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc From: sw@nan.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin) Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: news@nan.co.uk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Network Analysis Ltd Message-ID: <sw-ya023580003112961636230001@newshost.nan.co.uk> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:36:23 GMT In article <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com>, vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) wrote: > Mac programmers with intimate knowledge of C++, and the Mac Toolbox > with its idosyncracies have, apparently, been left behind...in one > fell swoop. > > "Everything you know, is wrong." The Mac IS dead: they are saying that there will be no further development of the MacOS as we know it today, although I expect it will limp along for a few years like the Apple II. This NeXT-based machine, whatever they may call it, is as different from the Mac as the Mac was from the machines that preceeded it. They can keep the same name, but as Coca Cola found out, that doesn't fool anyone. Of course it was going to happen sooner or later: the Mac is 12 going on 13 years old. It's just that in the old days, they knew and planned the transition and even had a prototype to show at the press conference. So now, we have to make the same decisions that we had to make back in '84. Do we port our appls to the new OS or to some other OS? Does the new OS give us something extra that makes possible an application that wasn't possible before? In 1984, the promise of the MacOS was such that I had no problem making a choice (maybe it was because I was 12 years younger and didn't have a mortgage and family round my neck). With this one, it isn't so clear cut. I think I'll wait and see. Certainly no "killer appl" for the NeXT-OS has emerged in the last few years. > Now Mac programmers have to choose to either learn the New MacStep, or > to move over to the Windows world. The transition will be the same for > them either way, as they will both be new environments that won't have > much in common with what they are doing now. If anything, it would be > EASIER to move to Windows as they can drag their hard learned C++ > knowledge over to MFC. I've ported several MFC appls to the Mac using MacApp and the frameworks are similar enough that I don't think I'll have that much trouble learning MFC. Learning the "New MacStep" is going to be a much bigger investment. So far, I haven't seen anything that tells me that such an investment will pay off. I look forward to being convinced otherwise. -- Sak Wathanasin Network Analysis Limited 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK Internet: sw@nan.co.uk uucp: ...!britain.eu.net!nan!sw Phone: (+44) 1203 419996 Fax: (+44) 1203 690690
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:10:34 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5abofa$mfa@news4.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5foe$94p@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960537490001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > )No, I haven't missed anything... What you seem to miss is even > on )MacOS, GX ofttimes pukes on the most simple of documents; > and one )of the reasons many mac sites simply pull GX out b/c it > introduces )many headaches. > That's not GX's fault, bad third-party drivers or naughty apps > are invariably the culprit. Maybe so...but that's the way of things... I get no such problems with DPS under NeXTSTEP with any apps... Now maybe GX would do as well under OPENSTEP...certainly that maybe... But that is the current way of things. If it makes sense, if there are advantages to GX, and they can be relatively easily integrated into OPENSTEP... I say god bless GX. I'm all for cooler stuff that doesn't take away from day to day usability. GX has yet to prove its mettle on that VERY important issue... > )Whereas DPS just doesn't have any problems under )NeXTSTEP. > Exactly, under NextStep. Apple's new OS will be neither Nextstep > nor the Mac OS, it'll be a synthesis of the two. Compatibility > must be maintained with both, but in creating a new system > only the best technologies should be used. DPS made sense for > the direction Nextstep was going, but the Mac OS is going > someplace else, and GX makes more sense. Says who? You. Jeez, rather clairvoyant of you. So far GX seems to make printing less than reliable on a MAC... DPS seems to do all the same kind of stuff, reliably. DPS has been revised at least 6 or 7 times under NS, not breaking a SINGLE app, giving all apps access to color, etc etc. Memos still puke GX. DPS3 may make the idea of GX less important. Who knows...you seem to be certain, all I'm saying is I'm not so certain, and I've yet to see overly compelling reasons to go the GX route. I agree, if adobe goes insane and wants big bux for a license, then it's time to do a PS port, maybe w/ GX... Time will tell what... > There are really two parts to GX, the graphics, typography, > and layout section and the printing section. The GX Graphics > extension doesn't have the printing section and is virtually > trouble free. The Printing section which comes with the full > install has to rip out the old print architecture and replace > it with itself and plug all of the leaks. This was by no means > an easy task. The fact that GX is rock-solid now save for > incompatibilities with a few poorly written apps is down right > amazing. Not a few, a good number, and many of the biggest apps. And many others are dropping support. Why, the darn thing don't print right a lot of times. People need to print things w/o headaches. > )and maybe those problems might be obviated by )putting it on a > better foundation... > They would. GX has a lot of stuff in it that would have been > unnecessary had the Mac OS had a stronger foundation. It's > memory and virtual memory manager for instance. The printing > section (where most problems lie) would be a lot happier if > it didn't need to emulate the old printing architecture. Here I agree...and from and admittedly speculative vantage... I think splitting GX in two... just graphics 'painter' and the OO part up as kits/foundations up in OpenStep could likely do what DPS and OpenStep are doing... But right now that is a MAJOR job. Also, it's not clear how 'reliable' that solution would be. DPS really as been a ROCK under NeXTSTEP since 88... But I'm all for trying it out, if resources and time permit. I love having the latest/greatest technologies...as long as they are functional. > But to simply hammer DPS as > )if it's some shlock useless product seems rather uninformed. > It's not useless by any means. IMO, it's just not something > that Apple should be relying on for future products. By all > means keep it around, just start incorporating GX into the > appkit and pushing that instead. GX could probably be ported > to all of the OpenStep platforms in a few months. It's already > running on NT and Win95. It shouldn't be difficult to get it > going on the unix based systems. All it really needs is a > buffer to draw in and a pipe to send postscript or bitmaps to > an output device. Well, I think we have different spins on this, but have a general consensus...namely, apple would be crazy not to consider GX and any other superior imagine model if it makes sense to do so... If it does, and the circumstances (resource, time permits), then gods speed... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:57:58 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net > wrote: > You are being equally close minded about GX, and again if DPS > couldn't blit simple bitmaps to the screen then I'd *really* > be worried. But a lot of people aren't just blitting bitmaps > anymore. Furthermore after looking into DPS' syntax, it is > just a pain in the butt to use compared to GX. You really don't have to use DPS to code. One uses OpenStep and that deals for most things for you. You are talking about an OO api on top of a graphics engine w regard to GX... DPS is that no nothing graphics engine being driven by OpenStep's OO api. That's not to say having cool things GX does in OpenStep wouldn't be way cool. But only if makes sense...if there is added functionality, if there is stability, if the resources and time requirements realistically fall w/in apple's time line... Then let's go for it... I don't see a substantial gain in functionality over the OpenStep + DPS implementation we have currently. However, I think apple should take a look at it... > ) )Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a > BIG )BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page > look )exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... > GX was designed from the **beginning** to produce excellent > Postscript output for devices that needed it. In fact if you > consider transparency GX is actually better at it than DPS. > Why? DPS supports transparency but PS Level II does not, that > means that if you're DPS code uses transparency on screen > *you* will have to do the segmentation necessary to get proper > output. GX does it for you. Well maybe it was designed to be excellent, but in practice it is not... B/c in practice real people have problems getting GX to do simple things. That doesn't happen with DPS under NeXTSTEP. Transparency printing has been implemented by some under NeXTSTEP...but the market was never big enough to push the issue... DPS3 will ought to make that issue moot. > )And you CAN make all those things in DPS. I have yet to hear > one )single feature that can be accomplished in GX that cannot > be )duplicated in DPS. > Take the K channel of a CMYK image increase the contrast by > 25%, blend that with the L channel of a second image in HSL > space. Increase the saturation by 30%. Rotate the resulting > image by 30 degrees and clip to the word "Chancery" in the > 'smart' Apple Chancery Font and draw that with a subtractive > transfer mode across 2 monitors with different bit depths. > Take the resulting shape cache it so that GX won't have to do > most of that math again. Nothing that can't be done, or haven't seen done with apps under NeXTSTEP. > This is something that's doable right now with Lightning > Draw GX. But in a program you're looking at less than 50 > GX calls. The first time through will take a bit of time > to compute. The second time its drawn it will be basically > a straight blit or as close to one as possible because of > the caching. (btw. since Postscript doesn't support GX's > smart fonts this is truly impossible to do with DPS...) > ) DPS already works, it works much better and is )more stable > than GX in practice, There was an app (Gosh what's the name) it let you do all these smart font type things... Note, the app did them, not the font itself. But the exact same result...b/c the intelligence was in the OpenStep layer, instead of the font, but the net results were much the same... (was it TouchType). > If you're not using it on a daily basis, how can you comment > on its stability in practice? BECAUSE I REMOVED IT B/C OF STABILITY PROBLEMS. I've tried using several times in several different versions and removed b/c each time it resulted in printing problems. Garance who helps maintain mac labs at RPI has made statements much to the same effect. If you won't HEAR our real world experience and complaints, what am I to do? GX does have real world problems in printing. > )and the output is more WYSIWYG... > This is utterly false. In fact it's probably easier to get > the results you want with GX than with raw DPS calls. I don't > see the people who wrote UniQorn complaining about GX's > non-WYSIWYG output, in fact their app handles color much better > than Quark or Pagemaker due to GX's tight coupling with/reliance > on ColorSync. No, what you write is COMPLETELY false. Using the EXACT same code to draw the screen and to print is the highest level of WYSIWYG possible...by definition. Period. So as long as Postscript printers are the norm, DPS will achieve the highest WYSIWYG fidelity. Your refusal to accept this is just blind. > On Semper.fi a Nextstep user made a post about how one used > DPS to create a complex graphic. The process involved writing > some Postscript code, running it through PSWrapper to convert > it into C source and header files and then including that in > your project. This is inherently inefficient. If I create a > picture that has 4 bitmaps in it each rotate 45 degrees and > offset by each other by a small amount so that they overlap. > In DPS if you didn't want to make the actual C calls yourself > you would write out the actual postscript code for a function > say Draw4pictures run that through PSWrapper and include the > new files into your project. Every time you call Draw4Pictures, > DPS rotates the shapes, offsets them and then draws them. Sure > you could probably direct it to an offscreen buffer, but that's > more work on your part and there are cases where using an > offscreen buffer is not appropriate. You could also just make classes to make primitives for you much like GX does, and employ DPS to do it... > In GX you would apply the transforms to the bitmaps stick them > in a picture shape then call GXDrawShape. If you call > GXCacheShape, GX will remember the operations it did so that > when you call it again it will be much faster. (Rotating > bitmaps is slow.) GX also does everything in an object oriented > way. So you're free to rotate, skew, whatever the composite > picture shape till your hearts content. You can also do some > amazing things with viewports. Applying transforms to the bitmaps does not require PSWraps or any such thing. Again, making a higher level class/kit structure for more automated control in OpenStep may well be the way to go. One can do this for DPS, just as easily as for GX. Actually, one can probably move most of GX's functionality into that layer and allow the api to driver either GX's 'painting' primitives or DPS's... > Let's move on to transparency. Suppose you made your bitmaps > transparent. DPS would draw them just fine, but because it > doesn't cache it will constantly have to recalculate the > transparency ops. But we hit a problem when you want to print > this out. Sure you've got raw Postscript code, but since > transparency isn't supported, you'll have to manually calculate > the actual opacity of the regions of the composite picture > shape yourself. *Joy*. With GX you could just print your > composite shape and voila the transparency is handled. The above is true...again, DPS and PS have steadily been improving. Things have changed RADICALLY to DPS since the days of NEXTSTEP 0.8, at least 6 or 7 updates of DPS and not one app breaks... When D/PS3 comes along things ought to continue just working, transparencies and all.... > Incidentally color correction, and a bunch of other transfer > modes are handled as well. Apple really worked like a dog for > years trying to get these transfer modes into printable > Postscript code. There are still bizarre cases where they just > couldn't get things quite right, because Postscript still > 'thinks' in terms of applying opaque things to paper, but the > fact of the matter is, GX just does *more* for the developer. DPS does compositing and color correction stuff as well. GX's OO layer may well do so...nothing stops such fucntionality from being incorporated into the OpenStep layer...allowing it to drive whatever 'imaging' model employed...DPS included... > As I've said before DPS should be kept for compatibility, but > it *is* an inferior imaging technology. Apple didn't spend 7 > years working on overcoming Quickdraw's and Postscript's > inadequacies just to toss all that work aside and go back to > something lesser. Especially now that *large* apps like UniQorn, > Radius Edit, and MovieClips Pro are GX dependent. There is a staple of wordprocessing and DTP apps that are not, nor do they plan to be... Something like Tailor, seemingly ideally suited for such tasks have plans of REMOVING GX from the product... It doesn't print reliably. As I have said before and many others... If GX is has substantial functional advantages over DPS, can be integrated into NeXTSTEP/MaX w/o lowering reliability, and can be done w/o unduly/unrealistically tapping apple's resources and time constraints...LETS GO FOR IT... Apple should Clearly evaluate the pros/cons on this issue... But must FOCUS and concentrate on getting that port OUT... That is Focus #1, and I think we all pretty much agree on that... :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:59:44 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5abrbg$61s@news.istar.ca> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <sw-ya023580003112961636230001@newshost.nan.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <sw-ya023580003112961636230001@newshost.nan.co.uk> On 12/31/96, Sak Wathanasin wrote: >I've ported several MFC appls to the Mac using MacApp and the >frameworks are similar enough that I don't think I'll have that much >trouble learning MFC. Learning the "New MacStep" is going to be a >much bigger investment. So far, I haven't seen anything that tells me >that such an investment will pay off. I look forward to being >convinced otherwise. I programmed using Microsoft Visual C++ for Windows 95 for about nine months this year. I was very unimpressed with Microsofts API's, notably the Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFC). Trying to construct complex user interfaces with MFC is difficult--so much of the system feels like a kludge. I frequently had to employ what I felt to be "hacks" to get things working the way I wanted. For the past week I've been working on learning OpenStep. The hiearchy of user interface objects is vaguely similar to MFC's. However, NeXT's Foundation and Application Kits are much more robust than MFC. Objective C is pretty cool, but there are some features of C++ that I miss. For instance, in C++ you can construct typecasting member functions that are implicitly employed. Objective C doesn't have this feature--you have to explicitly call some class/instance methods to do this. I suppose that by explicitly making the calls in the code, it is more obvious as to what's going on, but I get tired of converting C strings (char*) to NeXT's Foundation Kit string objects (NSString). One of the challenging things with using Objective C and OpenStep is that there is a lot more dynamic binding happening. Instead of getting compiler errors/warnings as you would with static and late binding, you get runtime errors that are more difficult to debug. However, the additional features afforded by dynamic binding is worth the effort, in my opinion. I think that learning OpenStep is going to be a worthwhile investment. Sure, OpenStep is slightly more complex than other API's, but you don't need to know all the "ins-and-outs" of the OpenStep classes to get your programs working. However, it's essential to have a robust and complete API when you need to do some complex user-interface work. I don't think MFC offers the necessary flexibility. -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -=- jsamson@istar.ca -=- NeXTmail & MIME welcome -============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul/ -=============- -===================================================================-
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:17:32 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-3112961519280001@news.sover.net> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a4fhm$c7@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7CBE4.15D3@asiatlanta.com> In article <32C7CBE4.15D3@asiatlanta.com>, Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> wrote: > I realize that all of these things have been tried and failed, but the > reason they failed is not because the theory was wrong, it was always > because the company got greedy too quick and didn't play ball long > enough. Apple has nothing to lose at this point, and if I could buy a > computer like this I would - wouldn't you? Why not? > Tim. I would not, not if you _gave_ it to me. Many of the problems inherent in Windows are traceable to the architecture, and this is why Microsoft is attempting to promote the idea of a slotless, sealed-box PC with no expandability at all. I can do better than _that_ on my old 68K Mac. When I can upgrade, I am going PPC with a vengeance, thank you. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:13:54 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-3112961515510001@news.sover.net> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> In article <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com>, aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) wrote: > What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? > It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with Windows > (and OPENSTEP for Windows). Then Apple would be buying into a dying architecture and a pain-in-the-butt operating system. Nope, no chance. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
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From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:45:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEEDA61-2C01D@198.68.42.209> References: <5ab7pk$t8s@news3.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: I said: > >> I don't know about speed. It's part of the API to switch between >> color spaces automatically with the transfer modes: source/destination >> color spaces are contained within the ink object that specifies >> the transfer type; specialized matrices for handling specialized >> tasks dealing with transfer types and conversions between color >> spaces are also part of ink objects. > >Again, in 1988 NeXT was making demos on 68030 equipment using DPS, >overlaying transparencies and all kinds of stuff on animations. >DPS can do those kinds of things w/o a problem. Again: it is trivial to do these things using GX because they are built into the API as part of the standard objects used with GX. You CANNOT avoid doing them, in fact, since EVERY graphical object has these features (even if they are special-cased internally for the most used cases). All shapes have ink objects. All ink objects *automatically* contain all the info needed to handle color-space conversions, odd-ball transfer/composite modes, and all the rest of the info that an ink object contains. The standard cases are merely optimized, whereas the non-standard ones are dealt with more generically. Ditto with transform objects. Ditto with style objects. Ditto with all the attributes that a GX shape has. While some things are special-cased for extra speed, by the *nature* of GX, ALL cases are equally easy to program with. The specially-optimized cases are the default cases that the object is initialized with, but you can even chage the default attributes for new shape objects, if you like (you can't change the special-case optimizations, of course). --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 21:37:39 GMT Organization: Arkona, LLC Message-ID: <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: > Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't > it succeed the first time? Marketing. With Apple's marketing prowess and installed base, who knows what may happen. Worst case: Majority of Mac users move to Windows in frustration and Apple flops with the OS and turn into a "software" company. Likely case: Most current Mac users stay with the new Apple OS and even some Windows users move to the new Apple OS. Best case: All current Mac users stay with the new Apple OS and hoards of Windows users move to the new Apple OS. Lots of applications take advantage of the OPENSTEP API, and OPENSTEP apps become a huge success across platforms (Mac, WinNT & 95, Solaris, etc.) OPENSTEP developers make lots of money and are rewarded for their perseverance and tenacity. :-) Personally I think it's a good fit. NeXT has great technology and they could never really find a good way to get that across to people. You pretty much had to be a developer to "get it" and fall in love with the OS & development tools. The cost put it out of reach of "normal" people. Apple has great marketing and a large installed base of committed users (who may be willing to trudge through the pain of the transition). With a larger installed base, the costs can be kept low enough people will be willing to give it a try. NeXT & Apple both probably have a few surprises up their sleeve too. Like Steve said, why stop at Cairo when you can go to Mecca? It's going to be an interesting ride. John Zollinger Software Engineering Director Arkona, LLC john_zollinger@arkona.com
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:07:49 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C980A5.3E6B@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > > rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > > On Semper.fi a Nextstep user made a post about how one used > > DPS to create a complex graphic. The process involved writing > > some Postscript code, running it through PSWrapper to convert > > it into C source and header files and then including that in > > your project. This is inherently inefficient. If I create a > > picture that has 4 bitmaps in it each rotate 45 degrees and > > offset by each other by a small amount so that they overlap. > > In DPS if you didn't want to make the actual C calls yourself > > you would write out the actual postscript code for a function > > say Draw4pictures run that through PSWrapper and include the > > new files into your project. Every time you call Draw4Pictures, > > DPS rotates the shapes, offsets them and then draws them. Sure > > you could probably direct it to an offscreen buffer, but that's > > more work on your part and there are cases where using an > > offscreen buffer is not appropriate. > > You could also just make classes to make primitives for you much > like GX does, and employ DPS to do it... You could also create an EPS file in Illustrator and use that as a resource. Accessed as An NXImageRep. Have another class draw the images on screen, where desired. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:54:22 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003112961754220001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: )> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. )> Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping )> them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. GX )> handles it with ease and speed. ) )Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? It's hard to prove something empirically when DPS and GX have never run on the same platforms at the same time. ;) I can say that Lightning Draw which uses GX for everything redraws much faster than Illustrator (which presumably has a DPS-like core built-in) on my PowerMac. It also manages color-based effects far better. (and faster) Note, I did not say that Next's implementation of DPS is slow or that DPS isn't fast enough for animation. From an architectural standpoint its virtually impossible for DPS to be faster than a GX implementation on the same system. (This is assuming both are coded at the same quality level) DPS has no real concept of a shape object like GX has. It can only be used to interpret and rasterize PS commands. If I make 50 DPS calls to draw something, how will the DPS runtime know that it already evaluated those same calls before, furthermore how will it keep track of the results of those calls so that it wouldn't have to do them again? As to the debate over Postscript being geared for paper, the language does make some assumptions about the fundamental opacity of color. There's transparency in DPS and PSLevel3, but what about some of the other ways of combining color like those found in Photoshop's 'Apply Image' function? Can you for example slightly desaturate a group of arbitrary bitmap or vector graphics in Postscript? Or make it so that the luminance of one shape affects the hue and alpha channel of another? These are visual effects that make no assumptions about how color is handled on the output device, (and hence can be a pain to print...) and while they may seem 'transparent', Postscript's simplistic transparency model can't be used to model them. There's a reason why among the admittedly few apps that are GX-dependent 3 are video editing and effects packages. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: wrf3@mindspring.com (Bob Felts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:23:28 -0500 Organization: Stablecross Software Message-ID: <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com>, john_zollinger@arkona.com wrote: | russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: | > Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't | > it succeed the first time? | | Marketing. | | With Apple's marketing prowess and installed base, who knows what may | happen. Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is an oxymoron? [...]
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Followup-To: alt.flame Date: 31 Dec 1996 05:34:56 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs-nope-nomail@vampire.science.gmu.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aa8m0$20q@portal.gmu.edu> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> <5a9gmm$qfe@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: Ack this is SPAM In article <too many to make sense>, <lots of people wrote> wrote: >>>>> [deleted] This thread has turned into a Holy War and is really approaching total SPAM status... I have no idea who the fool was who included every newsgroup in comp.* on it, but it's outta hand, if you're even THINKING of following up, please use your brain and not just a button on a screen. Email works wonders, in case you've forgotten... Me -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:15:25 -0500 Organization: Harvard Medical School Message-ID: <AEEF16CD966829771@bos-ma11-17.ix.netcom.com> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> In article <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >...often pukes on simple files... Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX by apps, not because of GX itself.
From: "Thomas L. Ferrell" <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 1 Jan 1997 00:52:00 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab Message-ID: <5accfg$n1h@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: >In article <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, >Thomas L. Ferrell <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> wrote: >}>Long message completely snipped. >} >}Actually, there's plenty of time and help for the transition---see >}Altura's annoncement in this newsgroup, for example. > >But there can be no transition. Apple's in a race for survival. >They managed to change horses in mid-stride with hardly a pause when >they went to PowerPC. Now it looks like they are willing to >throw it all away and try something new. But already many developers >are not developing for the Mac market because of the far more >lucrative PC market. Many of those who are developing for that Mac >market are probably doing so because that's what they know. Take that >away, and the lure of the Dark Side (with all that cash) becomes much >stronger. What happens if, say, Adobe decides that porting Photoshop >over isn't worth it? Or if none of the word processor vendors see a >need to port their product? If Microsoft itself doesn't bother writing Office >for NewOS? Then Apple goes down and takes all the smaller developers >with them. Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't >it succeed the first time? >-- >Matthew T. Russotto russotto@pond.com >"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit >of justice is no virtue." Matt, I don't get your comment about no transition---it's already started and will continue. And as far as "race for survival" is concerned, aren't we all? There are a lot of "what ifs", but Adobe and Apple are already meeting. Also, I develop for Mac not because of "it's what I know", but because it's the best tool for the job, be it graphics (especially for me--medical graphics) or for any of a variety of educational and scientific apps. Quite frankly, most of my work absolutely cannot be done on a PC. My choice is either Mac or Siicon Graphics. And as far as word processors are concerned, I know of at least two major ones that will be ported. Do you really think there's any possibility that Microsoft will miss the NeXT opportunity--that'd be a first for them (It almost would not have been a first,but they just released some OpenDoc stuff!) There will be a major market for Apple and its new OS, and I don't want to miss it. Another point you make is that concerning the success of NeXT Step. Well. I for one would love to pocket their 1st quarter 97 profits---wouldn't you (projected at $50,000,00). The way the personal computer market has devloped has seen rapid change after rapid change with a very large degree of uncertainty. The "what ifs" can easily be turned around. Gates is stuck in a DOS rut and can't get out. The future belongs to unencumbered operating systems and I don't mind change at all. tom
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:13:26 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5abl46$8h@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: >Blitting isn't enough these days. >Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, some NeXT DPS specific operators : ---------------------------------- * setalpha * composite * compositerect * alphaimage PS Level II operator -------------------- * Setcolorspace Level II known colorspaces : - DeviceGray - DeviceRGB - DeviceCMYK - CIEBasedABC where ABC can be : XYZ : CIE 1931 (XYZ) space RGB : well... RGB L*a*b* : CIE 1976 (L*a*b*) space YIQ : NTSC space (Never Twice the Same Color ;-) YUV : PAL and SECAM space - CIEBasedA (basicly, a monochromatical version of CIEBasedABC) - Pattern - Indexed - Separation (few usefull, for example to support In-Rip separation as PM6.5 does). Now, you also want to change the alpha parameter of a particular image without recalculating it, or modify a particular color component channel, no problem : * setcolorrendering * setcolortransfert > clipping them to arbitrary shapes Depending of what's your priority : * clip (PS) * viewclip (DPS) Note that all PS operators are supported by DPS Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: Paul Naton <pnatona@cts.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I Convert NEXT fonts to Mac Type 1 fonts? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:22:32 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <32C9CA63.53E9@cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to convert NeXT fonts into mac Type 1 fonts? I converted all of my adobe fonts from mac to Next years ago using Metamorphosis Pro. I would like to use some of those cool Fatted Cow fonts I use all the time ported from my Next to my new Power Computing Mac. There must be a way! Help me! Big NeXT and Mac Fan Paul Naton Maximum Graphixs pnatona@cts.com
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From: guyo@island.net (Guy René Ouellette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:46:06 -0800 Organization: The Island Internet Message-ID: <guyo-3112962046060001@dyn114.island.net> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> In article <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com>, wrf3@mindspring.com (Bob Felts) wrote: > Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is > an oxymoron? > > [...] Let's hope that the marketing of the merged Apple/NeXT is better than the marketing of either one! -- Guy René Ouellette guyo@island.net
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From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 07:01:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> X-no-archive: yes David Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote: > Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only > the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to > work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what > I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different > things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does > all the time. Sorry, I've worked quite a lot with both Wintel and Macs (and several Unix-dialects). And I've seen lots of Macs who take half a minute or more to react (or even to not react at all, just one example: Eudora's 'you have new mail' and as long as you don't press 'Ok', your Mac stands still) to simple actions like mouseclicks to close a window and such. The MacOS is imho (from a user standpoint of vue) definitely _anything else_ but _not_ RT. > I don't know... Timbuktu and Apps like that seem to do a pretty damn > good job. (arguably better than X). Errr, here I also have to disagree. Under Unix, _any_ application can be run remotely and i/o can be redirected to _any_ Xserver running on _any_ other machine as long as there's an Xserver available for it. In fact, running applications remotely is the normal procedure in networks of unix workstations, just because there are very often less workstations than users (in university computer networks) or if some software only runs on special platforms or if an application needs more cpu power than the standard desktop workstations have. Under MacOS, running applications remotely is not a standard built-in feature of the OS, and it is not reasonable to do this (via third-part utilities) either (for standard applications) because there is no possibility at all to work with more than one user at a time on a Mac. Running applications remotely doesn't make any sense on a single-user OS. F'up2 set. -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 06:19:59 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Jan1.061959.26014@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <01bbf3a5$4320d840$d8e344cc@home.mis.net> In article <01bbf3a5$4320d840$d8e344cc@home.mis.net> "Michael Davis" <md444@mis.net> writes: > I have the following setup-- > AMd K5-100 > FIC 2006 motherboard > EIDE harddrive and cdrom > 32meg ram > ATI 3D xpression card > Alps Glidepoint Keybrd > Zoom .34I modem All good apart from the ATI card. > ALso, which scanners does openstep support? Printers? Any Postscript printer; there are various third party products for non-PS printers, like JetPilot. NeXT doesn't support any scanners directly; take a look at ScanOMatic for a decent third party product. > What is the best web Broswer to use on openstep? Either OmniWeb (free for single user on a net) or NetSurfer (commercial). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 01:55:33 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R0101970155330001@news.erols.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R3012961810540001@news.earthlink.net> <32C85F1F.1A6E@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C85F1F.1A6E@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >> > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as >> > fast as M$.... >> >> Xerox - the copier company, copied. > >Unfortunately, MS can't quite manage Xerox quality. More >like a dog-eared mimeograph. > Well, M$ programs stink like mimeograph sheets. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: <pjbrew@ix.netcom.com> (Phil Brewster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:54:09 -0700 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> In article <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu>, jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) wrote: > In article <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A Drosehn > <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > > >aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) wrote: > >> What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? > > >Who knows about 1999. By then Apple might ease out of the hardware > >business altogether, and just sell the Mac OS to companies making > >"Mac clones". If they are still into hardware, they are not likely > >to be looking to build anything based on Pentium chips. > > Of course, depending on software revenues would mean that Apple's next > offering has to grab sizeable chunks of the Dark Side's marketshare. Apple > couldn't drop hardware unless Microsoft is held in check. Could that even > happen by '99? I hope so, but I doubt it. I doubt Apple would even drop > hardware, for various reasons; but the important thing is that they rely > less on it for revenue. > > john > > --- - ------- ------- They may drop (or outsource) their hardware peripherals (monitors, printers, scanners) one of these days, but I don't foresee them halting design or production of CPU boxes (though the number of models offered may decline eventually vs. today -- this is one of Dr. Gil's stated goals for the company, to streamline the product line, etc.). I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily OS) sales and licensing. Today it's evidently less than that, so trying to survive on software sales alone would not be a very wise move anytime soon, needless to say.... As for i586 hardware, Apple currently sells a 100 MHz Pentium-class processor card for PC/DOS/Windows compatibility on Mac's -- and I could definitely see them including it as a standard component in the future, like on the Power Mac 7200's today, esp. considering NeXTstep's cross-platform strengths, but that's probably as far as they would ever go towards selling an i586 machine. (Hopefully if they do decide to do something along these lines with Mac/NeXTstep eventually, the card will be faster than a 100 MHz i586 processor, but anyway....). Cheers, -- Phil Brewster <pjbrew@ix.netcom.com> "[NT Server] received the fewest 'very good' votes for ease of use by end users, and users ranked Microsoft least favorably of all the companies in terms of support staff responsiveness. Also, NT tied [...] in lowest score for performance, and survey respondents gave NT the fewest 'very good' votes for reliability. [...] Despite the apparent shortcomings of NT, more NT users said they would recommend NT to other corporate buyers than did users of any other [...] system." ("Computerworld", November 4, 1996, p. 104) Sounds more like corporate sabotage to me.... ;-)
From: Jim Thompson <jim@smallworks.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 01 Jan 1997 01:16:49 -0600 Organization: Smallworks, Inc., Austin, TX Message-ID: <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> edx@cc.usu.edu writes: > > In <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> "Karl Thomas" wrote: > > What makes the BeOS in it's current incarnation a better multimedia OS than > > NextStep? > > It is a true real-time OS. Mach in its current incarnation is not. Mach wouldn't be the 'best' move for Apple, for sure. However, despite rumors to the contrary, Mach already runs on the PPC. (Apple paid OSF to port it. This port is the direct ancestor of MkLinux.) I think NeXT's strengths are in their object technology; that's what they've been shopping around the last few years, not the underlying Mach OS. -- Jim Thompson / Smallworks, Inc. / jim@smallworks.com 512 338 0619 phone / 512 338 0625 fax HTML: The 3270 of the 90s
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 01:23:09 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> <AEEF16CD966829771@bos-ma11-17.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ishir Bhan wrote: > > In article <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net>, > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > >...often pukes on simple files... > > Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX by apps, > not because of GX itself. If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 05:33:44 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-ya02408000R0101970533440001@news.netrover.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com>, "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> wrote: €Scott wrote in article <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net>... €> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: €> >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: €> > €> >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless €comparring €> >> different processors by thier Mhz... €> > €> >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! €> € €Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty €MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for €the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc €running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit. Typical usenet wanker. Why don't you crosspost to more ngs. Let's see...you've covered Linux, Amiga, Windows, Mac, Unix and NeXT. Fucking wanker. -- Steve Jobs on 'Meile' washers and dryers - "They are really wonderfully made and one of the few products we've bought over the last few years that we're all really happy about. These guys really thought the process through. They did such a great job designing these washers and dryers. I got more thrill out of them than I have out of any piece of high tech in years."
From: kayners@htan.org (Steve Kayner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:45:07 -0800 Organization: NextGen Systems Internet Services Message-ID: <kayners-ya02408000R3112962345070001@news.ns.net> References: <AEED7C37-ED712@198.68.42.138> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AEED7C37-ED712@198.68.42.138>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: [significant snippage] > Even with the new management in place, I'm not comfortable with the idea > that we can just sit back and assume that Apple will "do the right thing" > about ANY of this > -and not just GX, one of Apple's "orphaned" technologies, according to more > than one Mac magazine article... > [sigsnip] Those would be the magazines with the Be OS all over the cover this month, right? -=Steve=-
From: jabaker@grail.cba.csuohio.edu (jason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 01 Jan 1997 11:12:08 -0500 Organization: Cleveland State University Sender: jason@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu Message-ID: <vohf9idd0.fsf@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nk87$a7o@news.internetmci.com> In-reply-to: JOSE_M@internetMCI.com's message of 24 Dec 1996 03:55:51 GMT In article <59nk87$a7o@news.internetmci.com> JOSE_M@internetMCI.com writes: That message don't make any since.....<scratching head> all e-mail is text only... how can you hide a binary file in ascii format??? you can't unless that tag a file with a text and then you have to run i manualy...... Can't you see that that you yourself are propagating this internet message virus which has already infected 35 newsgroups? Jason
From: pecora@zoltar.nrl.navy.mil (Lou Pecora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 1 Jan 1997 16:36:00 GMT Organization: Naval Research Lab Message-ID: <pecora-0101971136440001@esp225.nrl.navy.mil> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> In article <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com>, wrf3@mindspring.com (Bob Felts) wrote: > In article <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com>, john_zollinger@arkona.com > wrote: > > | russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: > | > Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't > | > it succeed the first time? > | > | Marketing. > | > | With Apple's marketing prowess and installed base, who knows what may > | happen. > > Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is > an oxymoron? Yes. It's an oxymoron. Lou Pecora code 6343 Naval Research Lab Washington DC 20375 USA == My views are not those of the U.S. Navy. == ------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the 4th Experimental Chaos Conference Home Page: http://natasha.umsl.edu/Exp_Chaos4/ ------------------------------------------------------------
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.admin Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Security, and NetInfo Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.admin Date: 1 Jan 1997 17:17:14 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5ae66q$4j4@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> <5a58o4$l4q@portal.gmu.edu> Cc: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY,COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADMIN Was your Christmas less than merry, Tim? You certainly seem in a foul mood this holiday season. In <5a58o4$l4q@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: > In article <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net>, > Leon von Stauber <leonvs@occam.com> wrote: > >NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY,COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC > > > >In <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: > >> that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you > >> get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure > > Damn, here I thought I all but avoided getting into areas that > could provoke holy wars. Out of a monster post, you managed to > yank out the very few sentances that had the least relivance > to what I was posting about. Also, didn't I post in Sorry, I forgot about the Usenet law that requires me to address your entire post. > comp.sys.next.sysadmin about this? If I didn't pardon me, > that's where I THOUGHT the conversation was supposed to be, > and it's where I THOUGHT I posted. I may have been totaly mistaken, > but I don't think so. Well, no you didn't post in c.s.n.admin. I followed up in that group, since it's the more appropriate place for this discussion. I'm setting followups appropriately for this article as well, since you neglected to post yours to c.s.n.admin again. > >Security is an issue anytime a system provides services over a > >network, or is physically accessible by people who shouldn't touch > >it. It's *less* of an issue with a UNIX (or even NT) system than > >with something entirely lacking in multiuser support and basic > >filesystem security, such as MacOS or DOS/Windows. > > There isn't a computer on the face of the earth that doesn't > have security accesible by people who shouldn't touch it. Usualy I think I just said that. > we describe those people as "users". And don't _even_ bring > NT into this discussion, as it's less stable than a crack junky > on a pogo stick security wise. I agree it's got some work left. (I recently saw an advertisement for a company that claimed it could "recover" lost Administrator passwords in a matter of hours.) However, all I said was that it is superior to single-user systems in that regard. > So other than pompusly mis-stating the obvious there, what's > your point? I misstated nothing. > >As for NEXTSTEP, it's no more secure than any other UNIX. In > >fact, it's arguably a little lacking in that area. No support for > >ACLs, and a study of the stability of UNIX tools in various > >environments rated NEXTSTEP the worst. (I might be able to hunt > >down a URL if anyone's interested.) The naming service used > >(NIS, NIS+, NetInfo) is a separate issue. > > Oh please, is this the equivocating argument of the month or what? > NeXTSTEP has it's faults security wise, just like any other > OS, but it's not bad, and it's better than allot of other > unixes that are out there. Like which ones, and in which specific ways? > If you're going to cite studies, fucking > cite them, don't refer to them in the '9 out of 10 dentists' bad TV > mode. This is not baseless assumption. As I said, there was an independent study done, and there is a URL for it. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me, and couldn't locate it just now. I'm almost sure it's referenced in _Practical UNIX & Internet Security_ by Garfinkel and Spafford. I left my copy at work, so I'll have to check on it tomorrow. The gist of the study was this: A tool was written which would throw random input at UNIX utilities. Many of these utilities would break (either crap out themselves or hang or crash the whole system) due to problems with buffer overruns and the like, which are the types of problems that crackers often like to exploit. Something like 8 versions of UNIX were tested, including NEXTSTEP and Linux, and I believe SunOS and Solaris. NEXTSTEP rated the absolute worst in the quality of its tools, with something like 46% of them being vulnerable to bad input. The least vulnerable? Linux. The study was done twice, a few years apart, and both times NEXTSTEP did poorly. (The others really didn't fare very well, either, with most posting only minor improvements over the years.) > >> Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to > >> NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure > > > >NIS is a crock wrt security, so it's not saying much that NetInfo > >beats it there. But NIS+ supports encryption of authentication and > >information transfers, which NetInfo can't do. > > Last time I checked there was authentication mechanisims in Netinfo Read what I wrote. It's not encrypted. Passwords are sent in the clear over the network. > that were pretty good. NIS+ does have encrypted info transfers, > but that isn't exactly an ass saver in the security department. > Better than it was granted, but if you are depending on that, > well, you're probably owned. Telnet and rlogin and all the > rest of the possible sniffable universe is a far easier target > on the same wire. But if you've secured yourself against these problems (using ssh and the like), and your network information service is still vulnerable, then you haven't helped yourself all that much. In this situation, something like NIS+ or Kerberos or DCE *is* an ass-saver. > >NetInfo is also notoriously touchy. Futzing up a machine or even > >an entire NetInfo network is easier than toasting bread. > > For who? I've never had any significant problems. Nor has anyone > ever said that to me. I've seen Netinfo get hosed up bad, but > usualy by stuff like the insertion of bad data. And I've got This is one way to do it. And recovery is a pain. > experience on some pretty huge Netinfo networks too. Other > than that, the problems that I've had with it have been attributable > to stupid things *I* have tried to do, usualy without checking > docs, or similar stuff, and they've all been local experiments > & the like. It's also vulnerable when the network isn't in the greatest of shape. See c.s.n.admin for some specific examples I've posted. > >I do like the tools, though. If I had three wishes for NetInfo, > >they would be: > > > >1) Make it more robust, easier to withstand small problems. > > > >2) Support encryption everywhere. > > > >3) Make licensing inexpensive. (Anyone have current prices?) > > > >I'd also like it supported on a few more platforms: IRIX, SCO, > >even Linux. Maybe even NT? If NetInfo could do all this, I could > >recommend it as an enterprise-wide solution for one of my current > >employers, instead of just using it for our NEXTSTEP machines. As > >it stands, I really can't. > > Erk, you're sort of ill-informed here. There's a company called > Xedoc that makes it for all sorts of platforms. And was doing a > survey about 7 months ago on wether people wanted it on NT. Er, no I'm not. IRIX support was only recently added by Xedoc, a SCO version does not exist, nor does a Linux version (although they're working on it). Nor does an NT version, regardless of whether a survey was done. > As for your 3 points, I concur with them, but take exception > to the first one. It needs some more warnings to prevent people > from doing things that'll break it. But I wouldn't want to sacrifice > the power it gives me either. I agree. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 1 Jan 1997 17:21:18 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5ae6ee$4j4@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <32C6110C.E41@xedoc.com.au> <rpk-ya02408000R2912962108040001@news.std.com> Cc: rpk@world.std.com In <rpk-ya02408000R2912962108040001@news.std.com> Robert P. Krajewski wrote: > Does NeXTStep have a security model that is any more sophisticated than the > classic ordinary user vs. root model ? In particular, are there permissions > as in NT or VMS ? No, not beyond the standard UNIX permissions scheme. It's something I'd like to see added, perhaps with an OODBMS filesystem. (And it galls me to say that NT has anything over NEXTSTEP!) ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: "Anthony C. Olsen" <olsena@cs.byu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cyrix 6x86 - P150+ for SALE Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 10:26:19 -0700 Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <32CA9E3B.653B@cs.byu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm selling my IBM computer. Here are the specs: Cyrix 6x86 P150+ 1024x768 - 14" monitor (nice model) 8x CDROM 1.2 GB harddrive Video accelerator card 16-bit sound card w/ speakers 14.4 Date/Fax/Voice Modem (keyboard, mouse, mousepad (older), 3.5" floopy drive) Windows95 All brand new (3 months old) $1500 O.B.O. You can call me at (801) 373-6180, or e-mail me at my address below Tony Olsen Provo City, Utah, USA -- Anthony C. Olsen (Tony) mailto:olsena@cs.byu.edu NEW!! Check out my allias e-mail address!! =) mailto:ferris@myself.com http://students.cs.byu.edu/~olsena/index.html "God lives! The Book of Mormon is true!" http://spock.et.byu.edu/~mcakir/bom.html
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 1 Jan 97 11:20:47 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan1112047@howard.one.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: rex@mit.edu's message of Mon, 30 Dec 1996 04:58:01 -0500 In article <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) writes: In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: )Things like showing several QT movies running at once, DOOM )running, dragging multi Mb Tiffs around in realtime...yet you just )constantly keep spewing this uninformed drivel that somehow )DISPLAY Postscript is not capable of displaying things )effectively. Just an astounding display of being closed minded. You are being equally close minded about GX, and again if DPS couldn't blit simple bitmaps to the screen then I'd *really* be worried. But a lot of people aren't just blitting bitmaps anymore. Furthermore after looking into DPS' syntax, it is just a pain in the butt to use compared to GX. Bah, then you're both being closed-minded. You call DPS a "pain in the butt" after looking at the syntax for, what, ten minutes? Two hours? Three days? I've been programming almost exclusively NeXTSTEP for eight years, and I've only had reason to program directly in Postscript on a handful of occasions. And on those occasions, the capability of coding Postscript using one of the simple tools out there (usually Yap) was a godsend. I could test different options in seconds, directly from edit to run, no compile-link. Then, when I was happy with the code, I had the option to pop it into a pswrap and use it like a C function from there on out. On Semper.fi a Nextstep user made a post about how one used DPS to create a complex graphic. The process involved writing some Postscript code, running it through PSWrapper to convert it into C source and header files and then including that in your project. This is inherently inefficient. If I create a picture that has 4 bitmaps in it each rotate 45 degrees and offset by each other by a small amount so that they overlap. In DPS if you didn't want to make the actual C calls yourself you would write out the actual postscript code for a function say Draw4pictures run that through PSWrapper and include the new files into your project. Every time you call Draw4Pictures, DPS rotates the shapes, offsets them and then draws them. Sure you could probably direct it to an offscreen buffer, but that's more work on your part and there are cases where using an offscreen buffer is not appropriate. You once heard someone describe how they did something and it was an involved process. And now you're extending that to everything on the system? pswrap is a means of taking small often-used snippets of Postscript code and bundling them into a predigested format so that they run quickly. Anyone who's bundling bitmaps into a pswrap needs some _serious_ hospitalization! And "inherently inefficient" is a tough old nut to crack. Perhaps the NeXTSTEP user you mentioned was able to build the graphic hacking Postscript in 10% of the time it would have taken to write a real program to do it. Perhaps the user only did it as an experiment, and never used it in a real program. Perhaps it was only ever displayed once, so nobody cared whether the speed of the second display was no faster. In any case, just because one person did something in an "inherently inefficient" manner doesn't mean that you are _forced_ to do so. I have no idea if GX is as awesome as you say it is. I _do_ know, though, that it's not as much more awesome than DPS as you say it is, because _nothing_ out there is that much more awesome than DPS. I won't claim that DPS is the ultimate in display technology, but it's pretty damned good. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:56:20 -0500 Organization: phenix@interpath.com Message-ID: <199701011356203592266@roxboro-185.interpath.net> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Will Hartung <vfr750@netcom.com> wrote: ] Obviously, it's hard to say what's really going on, but with Apple ] suggesting that they will have something out by late '97, and that ] Something being heavily influenced by NeXTSTEP, I have to wonder. ] ] What happens to all of the Mac Programming expertise and mindshare? ] ] Folks have been hacking Macs for over 12 years, and while there have ] been changes in the MacOS over time, they were mostly incremental, and ] hardly revolutionary. Most of the basic premises remained the same, ] with more added features and techincal details. Technically, something ] written in 1984 could still run today. The wonders of backward ] compatability. It's a little more than technically possible, I have a GAME, Lode Runner, that has worked on every mac that I've ever had. Creation date is shown as Tue, Oct 23, 1984, 6:20 PM. ] However, what the NeXT folks know, and the Mac folks are going to ] learn, is that NeXTSTEP is not the MacOS. Not even close. While Mac ] folks have been learning the various frameworks (MacAPP, Powerplant, ] Symantecs -- all C++ based), NeXT based their own little coding ] empire on Objective-C. I don't think that there will be a problem with the various languages, I expect that MW will have a pascal compiler that works let alone C++, but the real problem that I see is in the frameworks and the toolbox no longer working. OTOH they could possible implement a good portion of the toolbox as glue code that actually calls NextStep functions. ] Mac programmers with intimate knowledge of C++, and the Mac Toolbox ] with its idosyncracies have, apparently, been left behind...in one ] fell swoop. ] ] "Everything you know, is wrong." I hope not. But will wait and see. -- John Moreno
From: phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:56:23 -0500 Organization: phenix@interpath.com Message-ID: <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> Bob Felts <wrf3@mindspring.com> wrote: ] In article <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com>, john_zollinger@arkona.com ] wrote: ] ] | russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: ] | > Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't ] | > it succeed the first time? ] | ] | Marketing. ] | ] | With Apple's marketing prowess and installed base, who knows what ] | may happen. ] ] Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is ] an oxymoron? I was getting ready to reply with a similar "What?!". But after I stopped laughing I thought I'd check the replies that had already been made, and yours pretty much sums it up. "Apple's marketing prowess" - does anybody besides me think this is suitable for posting in rec.humor? -- John Moreno
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 1 Jan 97 13:12:42 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan1131242@howard.one.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com> <rex-ya023080003012961919390001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: rex@mit.edu's message of Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:19:39 -0500 In article <rex-ya023080003012961919390001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) writes: In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com>, scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: )In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: )>Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG )>BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look )>exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... ) )SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a nice )compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be there )for those that choose to use it. Make sense? Absolutely. DPS will probably be used by Adobe and OpenStep folk. GX will probably be more popular with mainstream Mac programmers,. Apple should look towards deeply incorporating GX into the new OS' appkit during the next 2-3 years. My dream for a long time, now, is that someone would write a window super-server. Not a super window-server, but a window server which did only one thing - serve windows. None of this silly drawing stuff. Sort of a microkernel windowing system. With that as the core, there's little or no reason why you couldn't have different "personalities" for different windows. DPS for some, GX for others - X Windows for others, perhaps some skip a drawing system entirely and go to the raw window. This is _not_ NeXT's Interceptor, which lets a program "poke through" DPS directly to the screen buffer. I'm thinking that it should be the way things work - no DPS to poke through. Indeed, DPS would be using the same services to get a framebuffer as any other windowing system would be. The main problem with such a solution is making it fast. My thought, though, is that if someone spent time looking at how to make it fast, you could get pretty close to the speed you'd get with a monolithic window server, perhaps within 5%. But what a 5%! Rather than have the native windowing system at 100%, and any emulated systems (X, whatever) at 70%, you'd have _all_ windowing systems at 95% of potential. This would be very important with a Mac+NeXT OS. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 1 Jan 1997 12:39:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@exnext.com> said: >> Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX by apps, >> not because of GX itself. > >If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. > No, it's because the QD apps were using non-documented features of QD printing. MS is well known for this. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: wmanders@ix.netcom.com(W. Thomas Manders ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT/Apple: ARDI is the missing key Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:45:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5aeet5$mqn@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> References: <tgmE39vy0.2s4@netcom.com> In <tgmE39vy0.2s4@netcom.com> tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams) writes: > >The NeXT/Apple deal offers tremendous potential >[disclaimer: I have no ties to NeXT, Apple or ARDI, these are just > my personal thoughts.] > Very good idea, if Apple fails to deliver in the next 6months then they are out of business.
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:56:58 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32C856CA.122A0AB1@screaming.org> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <5a1mnl$qeg@morgoth.sfu.ca> <5a1v6a$2s5@News.Dal.Ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, when y'all are writing "true real-time", are you talking about hard or soft realtime? One should really be clear about that. I'm certain that soft realtime is what is really being discussed here, but hard realtime systems are somewhat more "true" realtime than soft realtime. (Which leads me to think that one should avoid the word "true" altogether.) Second, the nuKernal comments by John Christie assume that all UNIX systems are created equal. They are not. It's pointless to talk about them as if they are. Messaging services are a function of the microkernel, which is a level below anything UNIXy. There's no reason that UNIX can't inherit the benefits of any miracle microkernel cure, in terms of messaging. John Christie wrote: > Brian Quinlan (quinlan@sfu.ca) wrote: > : edx@cc.usu.edu writes: > : >It is a true real-time OS. Mach in its current incarnation is not > : I believe that Apple will probably use NuKernal. > Which, to elaborate, may or may not be RT. In the original > nuKernal white paper it was stated that it was not true RT. However, > Apple also claimed that they would not adopt the BeKernal because it > wasn't true RT (which I thought was not true). There is nothing publicly > known about the current state of the nuKernal but it appears that it is > probably RT and Apple claims that it is finished. I hope they use the > nuKernal. SMP was designed in from the beginnning and the messaging > services are supposed to be far superior to UNIX. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 15:09:22 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com> References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lawson English wrote: > > Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@exnext.com> said: > > >> Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX by apps, > >> not because of GX itself. > > > >If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. > > > > No, it's because the QD apps were using non-documented features of QD > printing. MS is well known for this. If GX replaces Quickdraw, then it is the responsibility of GX to match the behavior of QuickDraw. Blaming pre-existing applications for incompatabilities in new software is pretty lame. It's not like Apple doesn't have the source to QuickDraw. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 1 Jan 1997 16:01:04 -0500 Organization: Ghotinet Message-ID: <5aejag$mk@wanda.vf.pond.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <5accfg$n1h@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> In article <5accfg$n1h@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, Thomas L. Ferrell <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> wrote: }russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: }>In article <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, }>Thomas L. Ferrell <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> wrote: }>}>Long message completely snipped. }>} }>}Actually, there's plenty of time and help for the transition---see }>}Altura's annoncement in this newsgroup, for example. }> }>But there can be no transition. Apple's in a race for survival. }>They managed to change horses in mid-stride with hardly a pause when }>they went to PowerPC. Now it looks like they are willing to }>throw it all away and try something new. But already many developers }>are not developing for the Mac market because of the far more }>lucrative PC market. Many of those who are developing for that Mac }>market are probably doing so because that's what they know. Take that }>away, and the lure of the Dark Side (with all that cash) becomes much }>stronger. What happens if, say, Adobe decides that porting Photoshop }>over isn't worth it? Or if none of the word processor vendors see a }>need to port their product? If Microsoft itself doesn't bother writing Office }>for NewOS? Then Apple goes down and takes all the smaller developers }>with them. Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't }>it succeed the first time? }Matt, I don't get your comment about no transition---it's already started and }will continue. "No discontinuity" would probably be the right term. And it seems there is going to be a major one. }major ones that will be ported. Do you really think there's any possibility that }Microsoft will miss the NeXT opportunity--that'd be a first for them (It almost }would not have been a first,but they just released some OpenDoc stuff!) If they see it as a method to safely eliminate their major obstacle to total PC market domination, sure. Of course, if they do that they won't be able to snag all of Apple's technologies and claim it as their own -- but it won't matter, as people won't have an alternative. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@pond.com "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
From: russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 1 Jan 1997 16:05:42 -0500 Organization: Ghotinet Message-ID: <5aejj6$so@wanda.vf.pond.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net> In article <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net>, John Moreno <phenix@interpath.com> wrote: }Bob Felts <wrf3@mindspring.com> wrote: } }] In article <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com>, }john_zollinger@arkona.com }] wrote: }] }] | russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: }] | > Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't }] | > it succeed the first time? }] | }] | Marketing. }] | }] | With Apple's marketing prowess and installed base, who knows what }] | may happen. }] }] Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is }] an oxymoron? } }I was getting ready to reply with a similar "What?!". But after I }stopped laughing I thought I'd check the replies that had already been }made, and yours pretty much sums it up. } }"Apple's marketing prowess" - does anybody besides me think this is }suitable for posting in rec.humor? Yes. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@pond.com "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
From: N@broken.demon.co.uk (Nik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 21:23:34 +0000 Organization: - in a straight line - Distribution: world Message-ID: <AEF0865696681A8D6@broken.demon.co.uk> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <mbt3ewmhcwv.fsf@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> In article <mbt3ewmhcwv.fsf@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu>, Zachery Joseph Bir <zbir@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote: >"Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> writes: > >> >> Jason S. wrote: >> > >> > In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com>, >> > scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >> > >> > > In article <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, >> > > fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: >> > > >> > > >MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? >> > > > >> > > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as >> > > fast as M$.... >> > > >> > >> > Couldn't resist... >> > >> > Xerox - the copier company, copied. >> >> Unfortunately, MS can't quite manage Xerox quality. More >> like a dog-eared mimeograph. > >More like a child tracing through lined paper. More like the concept of that bun that looks like mother Terrasa, or that potato chip that looks kinda like elvis in '68. Ahhk, whatever... Happy New Year ! Nik.
From: polyex@mail.netsrq.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 21:56:14 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Message-ID: <5a9dpu$k0p@mercury.IntNet.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> I>rather see Apple be very selective about what it ports to OpenStep than throw >every existing Mac technology into. If they are smart they will concentrate on >OpenDoc and Java while making sure these changes are applied across all the >current >OpenStep platforms (Intel, etc). > Jack > >-- >Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue >NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 >Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 >Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474 I agree 100%, Also I would like to hear that we can begin development for the new NeXTMac OS, with the current OpenStep stuff that is available for Intel etc, knowing that when the PPC version is released, it will be a minimal step to make it run on that platform. As a developer this prospect is very exciting. Adam Hall PolyEx Software Come check out the Wordup Graphics Toolkit for OS/2 Warp! http://www.netsrq.com/~polyex
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 07:29:17 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5afo4d$g0b@news3.digex.net> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> <AEEF16CD966829771@bos-ma11-17.ix.netcom.com> ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) wrote: > In article <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit > <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > >...often pukes on simple files... > Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX > by apps, not because of GX itself. This may well be so. But it's just not a problem encountered under NeXTSTEP with DPS. Also, many developers just don't want to use GX... And I'm not talking about ms that has an axe to grind. This is an issue that is just NOT an issue under NeXTSTEP with DPS. Things just work. You really don't even have to see DPS for many programming jobs and OpenStep just magically does things for you. GX may be technically the best thing of all time...but if it prevents me from doing simple things...it's functionality becomes questionable... However, GX on a more stable OS/platform maybe the cat's meow... Who knows... I can only go by experience... And NeXTSTEP w/ DPS has never given me a problem...I wish I could say the same about the QD and QD GX as well... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jabaker@grail.cba.csuohio.edu (jason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <vohf9idd0.fsf@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu> Control: cancel <vohf9idd0.fsf@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu> Date: 1 Jan 1997 22:11:56 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5aenfc$7jr@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:07:14 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000101971807140001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> <AEEF16CD966829771@bos-ma11-17.ix.netcom.com> <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: )If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. More than likely its a bug in a third-party printer driver. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:47:07 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > Fundamentally everything GX draws can be drawn in Postscript, where just > shoving bits into a buffer, given enough time and effort Postscript could > be made to duplicate GX's results. The key points are that in most cases > its a *lot* more effort, and its not going to be anywhere near the speed. ... but don't let your bias get in the way... The point here is that anything GX does that OpenStep + DPS don't do could be moved into the existing OpenStep framework, leaving DPS alone. Or a seperate GX framework could be created for developers which wish to use it, again leaving the underlying DPS alone. In either case you get the added functionality of GX *and* the unified imaging model of D/PS. > Just using looking at the redraw speed of Illustrator vs. Lightning Draw. > (A version 1.0.x product, unlike Illustrator which is at version 6.0) this is pure FUD. Illustrator has a lot more features than LD. And you really have no way of knowing if LD is faster *because* it uses GX. > > )Nothing that can't be done, or haven't seen done with apps under > )NeXTSTEP. > > Sure it is, please tell me how you go about using a TrueType GX font's > built-in tables in OpenStep. It was a slightly rigged example ;) But GX's > layout manager does enable some *incredible* typographical stuff that > OpenStep's API does not do. Providing a GX-based text field in OpenStep > would enable all sorts of advanced formatting and typography capabilities. > Automatically, without a need to graft that functionality into OpenStep. Note that this proposal does not require that DPS be ripped out. > Again the issue isn't whether or not you can generate the bits to > display a certain effect, its *how* you generate them. yeah, and since ultimately it all gets rendered into PostScript for output, its pretty compelling that the onscreen representation also be in PS. > )No, what you write is COMPLETELY false. Using the EXACT same code > )to draw the screen and to print is the highest level of WYSIWYG > )possible...by definition. Period. So as long as Postscript printers > )are the norm, DPS will achieve the highest WYSIWYG fidelity. Your > )refusal to accept this is just blind. > > No it's not. If you use one of DPS' calls that isn't in Postscript, then > it won't print. The question is will the DPS3 engine support transparency > while printing to PSLevel2 printers. You can't have it both ways. DPS and GX both have features not found in PS level 2. No, the extra features won't print from DPS, neither will they from GX. The point is, do you work in one imaging model and output to another, or work and output in the same imaging model? > > )Applying transforms to the bitmaps does not require PSWraps or any > )such thing. Again, making a higher level class/kit structure for > )more automated control in OpenStep may well be the way to go. One > )can do this for DPS, just as easily as for GX. > > Actually you can't. You'd need to build a layer that would abstract PS' > procedural interface to something on the level of GX's object-oriented > one, then you could put on a higher level API. Again at a performance loss, > and when it comes right down to it, why bother? You're suggesting > reinventing a fairly large wheel. No, you are suggesting reinventing a fairly large wheel. DPS is already on the cart, GX is not. > If NuKernel is chosen *every* app will have to print via GX (unless they > can make their own postscript files and are on a network). This isn't a pardon me? how does the kernel affect this *at all*? > > True. :) I'm concerned about the rumors of them porting Mach. With all > of the different PowerMac architectures that's going to be an enormous > undertaking as well as a PR nightmare if only some PowerMacs can run the > new OS. Nukernel has been sitting around waiting to run something other > than Copland and CommonPoint for over a year now. If Next could get > OpenStep running on Solaris and NT it shouldn't be too hard to get it > running on Nukernel. Plus they get a bunch of ready and waiting APIs like > QD GX, QD 3D, Quicktime, OpenTransport, etc. the truth of this statement remains to be seen... -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:40:59 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000101971840590001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abl46$8h@precipice.fdn.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5abl46$8h@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: )* setalpha )* composite )* compositerect )* alphaimage Will these work when printed? )PS Level II operator )-------------------- ) )* Setcolorspace ) )Level II known colorspaces : )- DeviceGray )- DeviceRGB )- DeviceCMYK )- CIEBasedABC ) where ABC can be : ) XYZ : CIE 1931 (XYZ) space ) RGB : well... RGB ) L*a*b* : CIE 1976 (L*a*b*) space ) YIQ : NTSC space (Never Twice the Same Color ;-) ) YUV : PAL and SECAM space )- CIEBasedA (basicly, a monochromatical version of CIEBasedABC) )- Pattern )- Indexed )- Separation (few usefull, for example to support In-Rip separation as PM6.5 does). All are supported in GX as well, plus HSV, HLS, and Yxy . All 3 component color spaces can have an alpha channel as well. (Which will print :)) )Now, you also want to change the alpha parameter of a particular image without )recalculating it, or modify a particular color component channel, no problem : It's not a matter of changing the actual color channels themselves (I knew PS could do that ;)) it's a matter of setting up a matrix that specifies how each channel in the source combines with every other channel in the destination. For instance can you make a CMYK bitmap draw subtractively (like transparent ink or paint) over any arbitrary background? This isn't a question as to whether or not the effect can be simulated with shape partitioning and doing the raw calculations yourself, but will DPS do it automatically? There's a couple little GX demos that draw 3 colored circles in a window. You can click and drag on these circles to move them around and depending on which demo is being run the circles will draw on top of each other additively or subtractively, i.e. the cyan magenta and yellow circles go to black where all three overlap, and the red, green, and blue circles go to white. It's a pretty simple demo, and it only takes one call in the code to change a shape's transfer mode. No matter what the background is or what the shape is, GX will make the correct calculations. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Calendar and scheduling apps Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 17:04:31 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: timothy@acm.org Timothy R Mills wrote: > > What kind of calendar/schedule/group scheduling software exists for > NEXTSTEP? What are the features and costs? Is there anything besides > PencilMeIn? daily planner application - Chronographer 0.85 Dwight Everhart everhart@alterlife.com ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/productivity/Chronographer.0.85.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Tools/calendars/Chronographer.0.85.NIHS.b.tar.gz group scheduling - Pencil Me In http://www.sarrus.com/PencilMeIn.html http://www.sarrus.com/FTP.html
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT boot sector changed with NT setup Date: 1 Jan 1997 23:34:00 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5aes98$8ht@bolivia.earthlink.net> Hello fellow users. I have recently installed a small 200 MB NT partition on my NSFIP 3.3 system. Surprisingly it did not erase the NeXT boot sector. However, when I boot up and get the option of which OS to run, n is for NeXT and d does not take me into NT. Instead it got placed in the 1 partition. I would like to have NT booted with the "d" option. If I use the nextanswers solution to the deleted boot sector, will that solve the issue? Its not that big of a deal, but would be nice to have that setup. Thanks for your replies. Please respond to the email address below. Gerardo -- _____________________________________________ Gerardo Quinonez, MD quinonez@ucla.edu quinonez@earthlink.net quinonez@usa.net NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:21:27 GMT Organization: WorldCom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <199701020924551543635@p006.gor.euronet.nl> References: <AEE62125-47C3C@207.93.51.91> Benjamin Smith <benjs@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > There are some Windows advocates that are so ruggedly pro-Microsoft's tough > business, anti-competitive practices and have a general philosophy that MS > just competes fairly and Apple/NeXT/Microsoft all have the same agenda: to > make money. They don't see the degrees. They don't see how one company may > want to make huge margins but also has a higher standard to their design > and are creative or innovative and the other is primarily interested in > dominating market share and their products are a result of that desire to > dominate. That's the problem. No, that's not. The problem is that a company - whichever high standards it has - failing to market its innovation well, will keep struggling and in the end may cease to exist. While everybody focuses at the tech issues of the OpenMacStep-to-be-Next thing, the market is shaken because the beast even doesn't have its name, let alone its features set. -- Yours Sincerely, Eelco Houwink eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 19:35:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: )You really don't have to use DPS to code. One uses OpenStep and )that deals for most things for you. You are talking about an OO )api on top of a graphics engine w regard to GX... )DPS is that no )nothing graphics engine being driven by OpenStep's OO api. Which is part of the reason why GX has a better architecture. An Objective-C method dispatch is not as fast as one of GX's internal C dispatches. Depending on the operation OpenStep on DPS could waste a lot of time just handling method dispatches. Really the way to go is have a object-oriented low-level API that does its OOP in C, and makes wrapping a framework from a real object oriented language like Objective-C simple. )Well maybe it was designed to be excellent, but in practice it is )not... B/c in practice real people have problems getting GX to do )simple things. This has been hashed to death on the GX lists. As of 1.1.3 the problems people have using GX are almost invariably tied to either a bad third-party driver or a developer (usually Microsoft...) doing illegal and undocumented things in the Toolbox while printing. Apple can't really *do* anything about that except ask that they try to code properly. )> )And you CAN make all those things in DPS. I have yet to hear )> one )single feature that can be accomplished in GX that cannot )> be )duplicated in DPS. Fundamentally everything GX draws can be drawn in Postscript, where just shoving bits into a buffer, given enough time and effort Postscript could be made to duplicate GX's results. The key points are that in most cases its a *lot* more effort, and its not going to be anywhere near the speed. Just using looking at the redraw speed of Illustrator vs. Lightning Draw. (A version 1.0.x product, unlike Illustrator which is at version 6.0) )Nothing that can't be done, or haven't seen done with apps under )NeXTSTEP. Sure it is, please tell me how you go about using a TrueType GX font's built-in tables in OpenStep. It was a slightly rigged example ;) But GX's layout manager does enable some *incredible* typographical stuff that OpenStep's API does not do. Providing a GX-based text field in OpenStep would enable all sorts of advanced formatting and typography capabilities. Automatically, without a need to graft that functionality into OpenStep. )There was an app (Gosh what's the name) it let you do all these )smart font type things... Note, the app did them, not the font )itself. But the exact same result...b/c the intelligence was in )the OpenStep layer, instead of the font, but the net results were )much the same... (was it TouchType). Again the issue isn't whether or not you can generate the bits to display a certain effect, its *how* you generate them. )BECAUSE I REMOVED IT B/C OF STABILITY PROBLEMS. I've tried using )several times in several different versions and removed b/c each )time it resulted in printing problems. Specifically what were the problems, and which apps were being used? Garance who helps maintain )mac labs at RPI has made statements much to the same effect. If )you won't HEAR our real world experience and complaints, what am )I to do? GX does have real world problems in printing. If you happened to be using an MS app, then its most assuredly *not* GX's fault. MS does some really evil things in their code. Your gripe should be with them and not Apple. Adobe also does some skanky things and has a tendency to bypass whatever printing architecture is installed. (highly annoying) This is the reason PageMaker has problems. Apple can only bend so far to patch other people's bugs. Furthermore if you're interested in GX just download the GX Graphics extension. It doesn't alter the current printing architecture at all, yet allows all of the Typography, Graphics, and layout functions to work. )No, what you write is COMPLETELY false. Using the EXACT same code )to draw the screen and to print is the highest level of WYSIWYG )possible...by definition. Period. So as long as Postscript printers )are the norm, DPS will achieve the highest WYSIWYG fidelity. Your )refusal to accept this is just blind. No it's not. If you use one of DPS' calls that isn't in Postscript, then it won't print. The question is will the DPS3 engine support transparency while printing to PSLevel2 printers. )You could also just make classes to make primitives for you much )like GX does, and employ DPS to do it... And suffer a noticeable performance hit. )Applying transforms to the bitmaps does not require PSWraps or any )such thing. Again, making a higher level class/kit structure for )more automated control in OpenStep may well be the way to go. One )can do this for DPS, just as easily as for GX. Actually you can't. You'd need to build a layer that would abstract PS' procedural interface to something on the level of GX's object-oriented one, then you could put on a higher level API. Again at a performance loss, and when it comes right down to it, why bother? You're suggesting reinventing a fairly large wheel. )Actually, one can )probably move most of GX's functionality into that layer and allow )the api to driver either GX's 'painting' primitives or DPS's... That's what I suggested originally. Keep DPS around, but port a good number of the DPS UI widgets to GX (this isn't a wheel reinvention because GX will still provide some nifty features automatically) New widgets should try to use GX exclusively. GX can and has been ported to another architecture, it shouldn't be difficult moving it a couple more. Porting GX will probably be *much* easier than trying to duplicate its functionality in OpenStep. (It is *not* a small amount of code) )The above is true...again, DPS and PS have steadily been improving. )Things have changed RADICALLY to DPS since the days of NEXTSTEP )0.8, at least 6 or 7 updates of DPS and not one app breaks... When )D/PS3 comes along things ought to continue just working, transparencies )and all.... If you have a PSLevel3 driver. Otherwise OpenStep will have to updated to preprocess DPS files before sending them to a printer. Incidentally GX's printing architecture was designed for this sort of preprocessing, and there's a well documented and easy to use API for doing so. )DPS does compositing and color correction stuff as well. GX's OO )layer may well do so...nothing stops such fucntionality from being )incorporated into the OpenStep layer...allowing it to drive whatever )'imaging' model employed...DPS included... Nothing directly stops it, but a lot sure does impede it. GX has a *lot* of functionality in there. That's one of the reason's why Adobe doesn't like it, it gives you most of the tools necessary to get a Pagemaker, Photoshop, or Illustrator level app up and going very fast. (Probably faster than their own versions in some cases.) Putting most of these tools in OpenStep would just be a nightmare. )There is a staple of wordprocessing and DTP apps that are not, nor )do they plan to be... Actually now that the GX Graphics extension is out a lot more companies are looking at GX. It is a hell of a lot easier and safer to use than Quickdraw. The problem with the GX Graphics extension is that it takes some of the pressure off of those vendors who are making undocumented or flat out 'illegal' API calls to fix their code. If NuKernel is chosen *every* app will have to print via GX (unless they can make their own postscript files and are on a network). This isn't a problem for OpenStep apps, but it is for the few Mac vendors that haven't written GX-safe code. GX printer drivers will work unchanged under Nukernel, but Quickdraw-based ones probably will not. I also don't think Apple's going to pay Adobe for a license to use DPS as a rasterization engine for every copy of the OS they sell. That means that a whole bunch of new drivers might be needed. Users of 'unusual' output devices like plotters and fax modems will probably be out of luck also. )Something like Tailor, seemingly ideally )suited for such tasks have plans of REMOVING GX from the product... )It doesn't print reliably. They should have waited around and used the GX Graphics extension like Lari, Digerati, Paceworks etc. As far as I can tell what they really needed GX for was screen display. Really though Tailor since its a Postscript editor should have a real Postscript interpreter inside. Most apps however don't need to go anywhere near that close to actual Postscript code. )But must FOCUS and concentrate on )getting that port OUT... That is Focus #1, and I think we all )pretty much agree on that... :) True. :) I'm concerned about the rumors of them porting Mach. With all of the different PowerMac architectures that's going to be an enormous undertaking as well as a PR nightmare if only some PowerMacs can run the new OS. Nukernel has been sitting around waiting to run something other than Copland and CommonPoint for over a year now. If Next could get OpenStep running on Solaris and NT it shouldn't be too hard to get it running on Nukernel. Plus they get a bunch of ready and waiting APIs like QD GX, QD 3D, Quicktime, OpenTransport, etc. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:30:18 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5afrmq$g0b@news3.digex.net> References: <5afal1$g0b@news3.digex.net> <AEF0A11D-152FBF@198.68.42.213> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >> In the hundreds of calls that make up its API there are > >> probably less than 10 which take in Mac OS specific > >> structures. > >Hows this, DPS has none. > Are you saying that DPS does its own windows management on every > platform that it is ported to without feedback at any level from > the host OS? My. You're right. DPS was coded by gods, and I > mean of the religious kind, not programming. Nope, that's not what I meant at all... DPS has been ported to many different OS's (Sun, NeXT, and others)...so obviously it is not tied to any specific OS. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 20:22:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000101972022240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <SHESS.97Jan1112047@howard.one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <SHESS.97Jan1112047@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: )Bah, then you're both being closed-minded. You call DPS a "pain in )the butt" after looking at the syntax for, what, ten minutes? Two )hours? Three days? I've been programming almost exclusively NeXTSTEP )for eight years, and I've only had reason to program directly in )Postscript on a handful of occasions. So you don't use it much on a regular basis either ;) Really it all comes down to what kinds of apps one is writing. If one is doing graphics intensive work then I suspect that one might have to deal with DPS more than say someone doing database work. )And on those occasions, the capability of coding Postscript using one )of the simple tools out there (usually Yap) was a godsend. I could )test different options in seconds, directly from edit to run, no )compile-link. Actually, I've been doing the same thing in Prograph CPX :) Since Prograph's a visual language I don't even have to 'type' code :D )You once heard someone describe how they did something and it was an )involved process. And now you're extending that to everything on the )system? pswrap is a means of taking small often-used snippets of )Postscript code and bundling them into a predigested format so that )they run quickly. Anyone who's bundling bitmaps into a pswrap needs )some _serious_ hospitalization! I would think it would depend on the size of the bitmap. You know a little 24x24 iconlet couldn't hurt ;) But in all seriousness the point was that in many cases GX wouldn't have forced you to make a discrimination between vector and bitmaps shapes due to size and computation overhead. Just toss 'em all in a picture shape and GX does the right thing. Transforms , clips, rasterizes, caches etc. automatically. *Very* little effort plus very good speed :) )And "inherently inefficient" is a tough old nut to crack. I didn't mean the actual steps involved I meant what was going on system call wise. Every time that graphic gets redrawn it has to be retransformed and rerasterized by DPS. In GX most of the computations are saved and don't have to be applied again. Not only are you cutting down on function call over head, you're taking advantage of a caching architecture that automatically handles all of the different cases, etc. for you. )Perhaps it was only ever displayed )once, so nobody cared whether the speed of the second display was no )faster. In any case, just because one person did something in an )"inherently inefficient" manner doesn't mean that you are _forced_ to )do so. No, but it does show why Lightning Draw's a *LOT* faster than Illustrator at redraws. )I have no idea if GX is as awesome as you say it is. I _do_ know, )though, that it's not as much more awesome than DPS as you say it is, )because _nothing_ out there is that much more awesome than DPS. I )won't claim that DPS is the ultimate in display technology, but it's )pretty damned good. Yep, it's very versatile and definitely better than the vast majority of imaging APIs, but unless you're working with raw Postscript code constantly and out of necessity its definitely harder to use and if Illustrator's a good indicator much slower to use also. Go to http://devworld.apple.com and peruse some of the GX inside Macs. The Programmer's overview is a decent place to start, but you don't really get a handle on its coolness until you check out the Graphics, Objects, or Typography manuals. There's a *lot* of stuff in the API. -Eric Happy New Year folks :) -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Where to go Macinstep Date: 2 Jan 1997 01:39:43 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5af3kv$f0l@news.platinum.com> References: <59m249$r70@www.univie.ac.at> <marcr-ya023480002612962000310001@news.tiac.net> Cc: marcr@tiac.net In <marcr-ya023480002612962000310001@news.tiac.net> Marc wrote: > Michael Alexander, a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at () wrote: > > [snip] > > I hope they will go with the obvious of using Mach 3, in a let's say enabled > > for two a processor configuration initially. Giving it 'plug&play' type > > processor add on with all the task-level tools could be in a later release. > > Things appear more difficult with all the BSD 4.3 around it; I guess all work > > on it at NeXT has stopped some time ago and everything from sendmail to lpd > > need updates. I'm wondering if CMU people are still doing work on Mach. > [snip] > > What about Apple's NuKernal? I understand that Apple looked at Mach 3.0 and > decided to write their own. From what I know, it's up and running on all > PowerMac hardware and would solve the problem of device drivers. NuKernal > seems like the best bet. Moving everything from Mach and onto a prototype kernel from Apple R&D would take much, much longer than finishing the NeXT PowerPC port and writing device drivers. When NeXT moved off the '040 and onto intel, sparc, and pa-risc, they wrote a device driver kit as their first act. They now pump out new drivers pretty quickly. I don't see this as a big issue. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| WebObjects: PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| because life is longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= too short for (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U Lotus Notes.
From: liuyi@cs.utexas.edu (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Painfully Slow Text Scrolling in ROM Monitor on ND Turbo Cube Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 2 Jan 1997 03:35:49 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> Ident-User: liuyi Summary: Slow Text Scrolling Prob. in ROM Monitor on ND Turbo Cube Keywords: Text Scrolling, ND, Cube, Turbo [ Crosspost: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,] [ comp.sys.next.sysadmin ] [ Followup: comp.sys.next.misc ] I recently got a ND Turbo Cube. It runs everything perfectly except for this problem: Problem: When booting in verbose mode, the text scrolls very slowly line-by-line from bottom to top, kind of like watching a terminal connected via 2400 baud modem, but felt a lot slower and a lot more annoying. HW + SW: 040 33MHz ND Cube, 32MB on ND, 32MB on 040, all simms non-parity 70ns, running NS3.3, 1 200MB boot + 1 3.2GB HDs. I'd never owned a ND Turbo Cube or any Color motorola hardware before. But compared to my 040 33MHz slab whose ROM monitor scrolls text fast and smoothly --- jump scroll (?), the ND Turbo Cube's text scroll is more like a snail scroll. I tried playing with "p" command in the ROM monitor, but short of switching off the "verbose" mode, nothing seems to affect this behavior. On top of this, everything else runs fine with visually comparable speed to the Turbo slab once the machine boots up. So my question: Is this a normal behavior in the ROM monitor on the ND Turbo Cube? Thanks! liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@anet-dfw.com> | <liuyi@usa.net> Dallas, TX
From: mthomas7@ix.netcom.com (Michael Thomas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Useful software, mono/color Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 21:24:41 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <mthomas7-0101972124420001@nyc-ny11-17.ix.netcom.com> References: <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> In article <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu>, jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a NeXTstation, and would like to know what kind of > apps are out there that can make it a useful machine to me(as opposed to a > beautiful example of industrial design sitting on my desk). > > The categories of software in which I am interested: > > DTP (something like Quark, maybe?) > all sorts of graphics (mostly bitmapped, little vector) including 3D > CAD/something like formZ > webdesign > light web/mailserver software? > and of course internet surfing (mail, newsgroups, www). > > Are there any notable apps in these categories? Especially shareware, of > course. And a way to transfer files to/from a Mac. > > > Also, please note whether any such apps would want color. I'd need to > justify a color NeXTstation (I'm leaning toward mono). > > Sorry if this asks for a lot of info, but I'd appreciate it greatly. > > thanks > john > > --- - ------- ------- > Music is a higher revelation than philosophy. - Beethoven > > jak@asu.edu > http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/ John, For DTP track down a copy of Aldus Virtuoso (preferably v 2, AKA "Virtuoso Gold). It's Freehand 4 for NeXT and will export files as Freehand 3, various Illustrator formats and I forget what else for the Mac. Plus, it'll let you see all those Postscript effects you have to take on faith with a Mac. One thing to remember: NeXT (or at least the scanner I used) saves its TIFF scans in a Windows flavor. If you try to use them in a Mac, open them from within Photoshop and save as Mac TIFFs. For retouch, WetPaint could show Photoshop a few things about interface design, though it lacks a "magic wand". I hear good things about Tiffany, too. Omniweb from Lighthouse Design is a nice Netscape browser for NeXT. As for hardware, you might really consider a more modern Pentium running NeXTstep. Plain wrapper, but same soul. And a ton faster since the old color blackware equals a Quadra 9-something. Mike Thomas (Mac 7500 and NeXT Turbo Color station)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701012035.MAA09927@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: b21410304c6b059f9b90849d8fa79fb8 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 97 15:35:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! References: b21410304c6b059f9b90849d8fa79fb8 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Geez, I go out of town for a few days and look what happens.... TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701012126.NAA16689@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 5d99695abe55d012b2aedb9c65f5bf96 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 97 16:26:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 5d99695abe55d012b2aedb9c65f5bf96 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Original Date: 24 Dec 1996 02:24:46 GMT > Why? Because NeXTSTEP sells to too few people, so the price > has to be high to recoup the development costs. And of course, > the reason it sells to too few people is that so many people > can not afford the high price. Catch-22 all over again..... > Given the kind of sales figures that Apple has, the price of > deploying NeXTSTEP is going to go way way down. This makes > many people much happier with it. This, of course, is great news. I do hope to see it come to fruition... I might be able to use ApPLEStep (my vote for the new OS's name ;-) some years down the road. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 03:35:49 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > )Well maybe it was designed to be excellent, but in practice it > is )not... B/c in practice real people have problems getting GX > to do )simple things. > This has been hashed to death on the GX lists. As of 1.1.3 > the problems people have using GX are almost invariably tied > to either a bad third-party driver or a developer (usually > Microsoft...) doing illegal and undocumented things in the > Toolbox while printing. Apple can't really *do* anything about > that except ask that they try to code properly. Well you rehashing things hasn't solved problems for real users in the real world. DPS works for ALL apps without any problems under NEXTSTEP. Period. Those apps, even since the days of 1.0 continue to work w/o problems even though DPS has been updated perhaps over a dozen times; including a major update to level 2. > )Nothing that can't be done, or haven't seen done with apps under > )NeXTSTEP. > Sure it is, please tell me how you go about using a TrueType > GX font's built-in tables in OpenStep. It was a slightly rigged > example ;) But GX's layout manager does enable some *incredible* > typographical stuff that OpenStep's API does not do. Providing > a GX-based text field in OpenStep would enable all sorts of > advanced formatting and typography capabilities. Automatically, > without a need to graft that functionality into OpenStep. Actually, I think OPENSTEP 4.x uses truetype...I haven't had a need to try it, so perhaps someone who has will tell us about their experiences. Furthermore, the TextObject under OpenStep does those things, like ligatures, kerning, et. al. That functionality is no more 'grafted' onto OpenStep than it is 'grafted' onto GX's OO api. > )BECAUSE I REMOVED IT B/C OF STABILITY PROBLEMS. I've tried > using )several times in several different versions and removed > b/c each )time it resulted in printing problems. > Specifically what were the problems, and which apps were being > used? Nothing fancy. Often simple memos wouldn't print in ms word. I'd remove the extension, viola, it'd print. > Garance who helps maintain > )mac labs at RPI has made statements much to the same effect. > If )you won't HEAR our real world experience and complaints, what > am )I to do? GX does have real world problems in printing. > If you happened to be using an MS app, then its most assuredly > *not* GX's fault. MS does some really evil things in their > code. Your gripe should be with them and not Apple. Adobe also > does some skanky things and has a tendency to bypass whatever > printing architecture is installed. (highly annoying) This is > the reason PageMaker has problems. Apple can only bend so far > to patch other people's bugs. True, ms blows big fat chunks. The PS their drivers produce are an abomination. But other apps other than ms word have problems too. I don't put it past ms to purposefully sabotage a technology such as gx for lord knows what purpose... However, the problems are not limited to ms products. Also, considering ms word is the most popular wp on the mac...it really seems that there should be something apple will do to work with it...even if it's to disable itself while working with apps that are known to be incompatible...like word... > )No, what you write is COMPLETELY false. Using the EXACT same > code )to draw the screen and to print is the highest level of > WYSIWYG )possible...by definition. Period. So as long as > Postscript printers )are the norm, DPS will achieve the highest > WYSIWYG fidelity. Your )refusal to accept this is just blind. > No it's not. If you use one of DPS' calls that isn't in > Postscript, then it won't print. The question is will the DPS3 > engine support transparency while printing to PSLevel2 printers. Other than transparencies...considering most people haven't EVER used transparencies since they dont use DPS...it's not a problem. And with D/PS3 all features should work. Still doesn't change things...you can try to ignore reality, holding your breath and shaking your head all you like. DPS & PS as a unified imaging model produce the highest fidelity WYSIWYG possible... Until GX printers are common, that will stay the same. > )You could also just make classes to make primitives for you much > )like GX does, and employ DPS to do it... > And suffer a noticeable performance hit. Better a performance hit and actually be able to print! > )Applying transforms to the bitmaps does not require PSWraps or > any )such thing. Again, making a higher level class/kit structure > for )more automated control in OpenStep may well be the way to > go. One )can do this for DPS, just as easily as for GX. > Actually you can't. You'd need to build a layer that would > abstract PS' procedural interface to something on the level > of GX's object-oriented one, then you could put on a higher > level API. Again at a performance loss, and when it comes > right down to it, why bother? You're suggesting reinventing > a fairly large wheel. Actually you can. They likely will do just that. B/C it's easier than ripping things out and re-implementing you're even larger wheel. And again, any performance loss is well worth the added bonuse of actually being able to print. > )Actually, one can )probably move most of GX's functionality into > that layer and allow )the api to driver either GX's 'painting' > primitives or DPS's... > That's what I suggested originally. Keep DPS around, but port > a good number of the DPS UI widgets to GX (this isn't a wheel > reinvention because GX will still provide some nifty features > automatically) New widgets should try to use GX exclusively. > GX can and has been ported to another architecture, it shouldn't > be difficult moving it a couple more. Porting GX will probably > be *much* easier than trying to duplicate its functionality > in OpenStep. (It is *not* a small amount of code) Sure, whenever we port to GX it's not a wheel invention but the other way around is...that's very reasonable. DPS also has been ported to MANY platforms, even more than GX...so what. Quite the contrary, considering GX's api and code are available to Apple/NEXT, putting it's functionality into OpenStep will be far easier than ripping out DPS. That's likely the reality, no matter how unpleasant for you... > )The above is true...again, DPS and PS have steadily been improving. > )Things have changed RADICALLY to DPS since the days of NEXTSTEP > )0.8, at least 6 or 7 updates of DPS and not one app breaks... > When )D/PS3 comes along things ought to continue just working, > transparencies )and all.... > If you have a PSLevel3 driver. Otherwise OpenStep will have > to updated to preprocess DPS files before sending them to a > printer. Incidentally GX's printing architecture was designed > for this sort of preprocessing, and there's a well documented > and easy to use API for doing so. A trivial thing relative to ripping out DPS for GX. These tiny features you keep pointing to are relatively miniscule and trivial to make happen with OpenStep and DPS, as compared to ripping out DPS and putting in GX. > )DPS does compositing and color correction stuff as well. GX's > OO )layer may well do so...nothing stops such fucntionality from > being )incorporated into the OpenStep layer...allowing it to > drive whatever )'imaging' model employed...DPS included... > Nothing directly stops it, but a lot sure does impede it. GX > has a *lot* of functionality in there. That's one of the > reason's why Adobe doesn't like it, it gives you most of the > tools necessary to get a Pagemaker, Photoshop, or Illustrator > level app up and going very fast. (Probably faster than their > own versions in some cases.) Putting most of these tools in > OpenStep would just be a nightmare. Puhleez, how long have you worked with OpenStep??? Obviously not very long if you think replacing DPS with GX would be easier than putting in a couple of classes to reproduce GX's functionality. Furthermore, I don't know why adobe does things, and likely you really dont know either and are just speculating...so allow me to speculate a bit... they may do so b/c they believe their way of doing things is genuinly better. It being so or not, is really a debatable question... > )There is a staple of wordprocessing and DTP apps that are not, > nor )do they plan to be... > If NuKernel is chosen *every* app will have to print via GX > (unless they can make their own postscript files and are on > a network). This isn't a problem for OpenStep apps, but it is > for the few Mac vendors that haven't written GX-safe code. GX > printer drivers will work unchanged under Nukernel, but > Quickdraw-based ones probably will not. I also don't think > Apple's going to pay Adobe for a license to use DPS as a > rasterization engine for every copy of the OS they sell. That > means that a whole bunch of new drivers might be needed. Users > of 'unusual' output devices like plotters and fax modems will > probably be out of luck also. I've been printing to my fax, making it a full PS device, for years. I have no need for plotting, but one of my friends has a huge one that works just fine with PS as well. Having a kernel in no way MANDATES the use of GX. That is silly. > )Something like Tailor, seemingly ideally )suited for such tasks > have plans of REMOVING GX from the product... )It doesn't print > reliably. > They should have waited around and used the GX Graphics > extension like Lari, Digerati, Paceworks etc. As far as I can > tell what they really needed GX for was screen display. Really > though Tailor since its a Postscript editor should have a real > Postscript interpreter inside. Most apps however don't need > to go anywhere near that close to actual Postscript code. Regardless, they are talking about REMOVING it. And many common apps puke with GX for simple tasks. That's today's reality. > )But must FOCUS and concentrate on )getting that port OUT... > That is Focus #1, and I think we all )pretty much agree on that... > :) > True. :) I'm concerned about the rumors of them porting Mach. > With all of the different PowerMac architectures that's going > to be an enormous undertaking as well as a PR nightmare if > only some PowerMacs can run the new OS. Nukernel has been > sitting around waiting to run something other than Copland > and CommonPoint for over a year now. If Next could get OpenStep > running on Solaris and NT it shouldn't be too hard to get it > running on Nukernel. Plus they get a bunch of ready and waiting > APIs like QD GX, QD 3D, Quicktime, OpenTransport, etc. Um, Mach is HIGHLY portable, and easily ported. That was one of it's design goals... And more than a goal, that is an implementation reality. Unlike NT, Mach works well on either big or small endian machines. NeXT, with FAR lesser resources than apple or ms, has managed to port the OS on many different platforms. Mach is super swell. I have no problems with NuKernel...If it's used, fantastic. If Mach3.0 is used, fantastic. Mach 3.0 has been around a while, and is also waiting around via mkLinux on apple hardware.... I personally don't care what they use...all the kernels are really great. Even the currnet one used by NeXT is very efficient, and they can enable it to do SMP... Considering Avie's background in this field, I completely trust his judgement. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 03:39:13 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5afal1$g0b@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> <rex-ya023080003012961832350001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > In article <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com>, mpaque@wco.com (Mike > Paquette) wrote: )It all depends. What year did you want OPENSTEP > for MacIntosh to )ship? ) )1) Display PostScript is part > of the OPENSTEP spec. )2) Existing OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP apps > rely on it for a unified )printing and display model on all > supported platforms and )architectures. > )Revising the underlying graphics model and window system for > OPENSTEP )might have significant impact on the ship date for a > finished product. > Very true. Altering the OpenStep spec. in any significant way > with regards to GX is a long term project. WHERE THE HECK DO YOU GET THIS FUD!!! This is utterly false. Have you ever done any work in OpenStep? If not, stop spreading FUD. If you have, please tell us why this is so. Jeez, what a bunch of hooey... > )I'm not sure I'd want to consider it for the initial release > unless )it's a known working solution on a significant portion > of the )platforms that NeXT supports. > )Has QuickDraw GX been implemented on any platforms other than > the )MacIntosh? (I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been following > this )very closely.) > Apple has a windows version running but they've been rather > secretive about it. Though they have recently announced a > product, Apple Electrifier for Windows, which requires GX to > run. GX in general has very few dependencies on the Mac OS. > In the hundreds of calls that make up its API there are probably > less than 10 which take in Mac OS specific structures. Hows this, DPS has none. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 2 Jan 1997 03:42:56 GMT Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. P.S. Flames welcome.
From: Timothy R Mills <timothy@acm.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Calendar and scheduling apps Date: 2 Jan 1997 01:47:35 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Message-ID: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> Keywords: calendar, schedule What kind of calendar/schedule/group scheduling software exists for NEXTSTEP? What are the features and costs? Is there anything besides PencilMeIn? Please email me with any details and contacts. Thanks. Timothy -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Mills 2500 Innsbrook Road timothy@acm.org Charlotte, NC 28226 (NeXT/MIME/ASCII) phone: 704-442-1141 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jison@ucs.indiana.edu (james samuel ison) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 2 Jan 1997 04:36:50 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-User: 1073745024 Um. call your Crack dealer and tell him to stop selling you the cheap stuff. Frank Chu (chu@ipoline.com) wrote: : I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since : it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly : no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) : running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance : or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache : onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only : half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. : : P.S. Flames welcome. -- ---- "Queens Don't Make Bargains"--Lewis Carroll. James S. Ison jison@ucs.indiana.edu University Computing Services/DSL --Consultant --Web Master
From: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 04:53:13 GMT Organization: Arkona, LLC Message-ID: <32cb3a67.84938545@news.xmission.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net> <5aejj6$so@wanda.vf.pond.com> russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: >In article <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net>, >John Moreno <phenix@interpath.com> wrote: >}Bob Felts <wrf3@mindspring.com> wrote: >} >}] In article <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com>, >}john_zollinger@arkona.com >}] wrote: >}] >}] | russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: >}] | > Or, in other words: If NextStep is so great, why didn't >}] | > it succeed the first time? >}] | >}] | Marketing. >}] | >}] | With Apple's marketing prowess and installed base, who knows what >}] | may happen. >}] >}] Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is >}] an oxymoron? >} >}I was getting ready to reply with a similar "What?!". But after I >}stopped laughing I thought I'd check the replies that had already been >}made, and yours pretty much sums it up. >} >}"Apple's marketing prowess" - does anybody besides me think this is >}suitable for posting in rec.humor? > >Yes. Ok, ok. So "prowess" was a bad choice of words. I was thinking of them compared to NeXT. :-) Perhaps, "muscle" would have been a better word. John Zollinger Software Engineering Director Arkona, LLC john_zollinger@arkona.com
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 07:05:00 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com>, marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: )In article <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, )rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: )... but don't let your bias get in the way... The point here is that )anything GX does that OpenStep + DPS don't do could be moved into the )existing OpenStep framework, leaving DPS alone. Or a seperate GX framework )could be created for developers which wish to use it, again leaving the )underlying DPS alone. In either case you get the added functionality of GX )*and* the unified imaging model of D/PS. The latter of which is what I've been advocating from day one. DPS should stay right where it is. GX however should be integrated because it *is* a better technology for most developers and users. I'm talking about 2D rendering now not printing. Now it does have a good printing model also, but its functionality is less important to users than that of the graphics engine. )> Just using looking at the redraw speed of Illustrator vs. Lightning Draw. )> (A version 1.0.x product, unlike Illustrator which is at version 6.0) ) )this is pure FUD. Illustrator has a lot more features than LD. Actually you know one would think that at first, but GX gives LD some incredible flexibility. I own both and LD lets me get a lot of the effects I want sooner and with less work. As far as features go Illustrator can not touch LD GX in terms of color handling or graphics redraw speed. Text handling is somewhat close. I mean please show me how to take the words 'Burn In' colored with a bright red and black vertical gradient and apply just its saturation value to all underlying shapes in Illustrator? (Its actually a very cool and dare I say useful effect) Furthermore what if I want to or need to drag that text around to reposition it? Illustrator just sucks at stuff like this. )And you )really have no way of knowing if LD is faster *because* it uses GX. One test I did a while back was to see if a GX PDD file displayed faster than an Acrobat file. Well I printed the Acrobat file to a postscript file ran it through GX Maker and launched the resulting GX PDD file in a GX PDD viewer. (might have been simple text.) It rendered the graphics noticeably faster than the original Acrobat version, was resolution independent like the Acrobat version, and was actually *smaller* in size than the Acrobat version. If Adobe has some wickedly fast and very portable DPS engine why aren't they using it in their Postscript-based Mac apps? )Note that this proposal does not require that DPS be ripped out. John in his delusional rants some how believes that I want DPS to be ripped out. That's just silly, the idea here is to *add* features to the OS. I personally *want* to have DPS around. There are a lot research papers in PS format and I'd rather not wait for GX Maker to chug through them. (Conversion is *not* a fast process...) However I do not want to see Apple base their new GUI on it because they've got a better in house alternative. That in no way implies that DPS has to be ripped out. All I'm talking about are some new subclasses. )yeah, and since ultimately it all gets rendered into PostScript for )output, its pretty compelling that the onscreen representation also be in )PS. Not that compelling for most users. Speed is more important, furthermore as long as it looks right coming out, most could care less. )You can't have it both ways. DPS and GX both have features not found in PS )level 2. No, the extra features won't print from DPS, neither will they )from GX. Sure they will :) I *guarantee* that if I draw a transparent circle over a bitmap on screen and then print it out with GX to my Postscript printer, that transparency will be preserved. If I wrote the equivalent code in DPS it would *not*. GX does the appropriate preprocessing of the Postscript output. *NOT* a trivial task mind you and something you would have to do yourself to convert the DPS code into printable PS code. You can say that transparency's not used much, but it could very well be because your imaging system makes handling it difficult. (Also processors are only now just becoming fast enough to handle large amounts of transparent layered graphics in real time.) )The point is, do you work in one imaging model and output to )another, or work and output in the same imaging model? Considering that most Mac users have non-PS printers, even if they had DPS they'd be outputting to a different imaging model. The point is that why should you the developer or user need to know or care what imaging model is being used by your output device? GX always uses the appropriate imaging model for a given output device. API-wise you're presented with a clean, fast, and flexible object-oriented system. If you make a circle that's an inch in diameter on the screen it'll be an inch when you print it out with GX. Geometry-wise WYSIWYG display is really not all that hard to achieve with a good display engine, i.e. there are far more compelling reasons to keep DPS around than just WYSIWYG display. The real tricky stuff lies in color-matching, half-toning, font-handling etc. In short I'd rather work with one fast and flexible imaging system that can automatically handle whatever extra processing is needed in order to recreate on a given output device what I made on the screen. Incidentally GX produces much better output for Quickdraw-based printers than the old architecture does. Graphics that used to be rendered at 72 dpi can now be rendered at the 360 or 720 dpi that most inkjets support for free. This is made possible in part because of the hidden GX 'codec' present in Quicktime 2.1 and above. It allows any app that can display a PICT file to also display and print resolution independent vector graphics. It's pretty cool and totally transparent to the user. You can also make resolution independent Quicktime movies. )No, you are suggesting reinventing a fairly large wheel. DPS is already on )the cart, GX is not. How hard is it to make a subclass of an OpenStep view and attach a GX viewport to it? GX only wants a pointer to a buffer to draw in. Probably a weekend's work if that. How hard is it write code for scrollbar or window frame subclasses that use GX instead of DPS to draw the graphics? I can tell you its probably a lot easier than implementing say caching or transfer modes for DPS calls. )pardon me? how does the kernel affect this *at all*? The old Mac printing architecture did not work in Copland's (Nukernel's) compatibility box. GX's was designed as the next generation one to replace it. It would emulate the classic printing architecture like it does under 7.x now and thus provide non-GX apps a way to print. The only way Apple can get drivers for the millions of non-postscript printers out there would be: 1. Get a mass license for Adobe's DPS printer rasterizer and whatever other software they need to drive the non-PS printers out there. 2. Implement trap-patching and the old extension architecture in the compatibility box. 3. Use GX drivers. Mach only worsens things by requiring the porting of the compatibility box to it and the possible porting of GX's printing architecture if option 3 is chosen. If option 2 is chosen then the compatibility box will have to be substantially updated. (It'd also be a hell of a lot slower and *much* more unstable) Option 1 could be very expensive. OpenStep's printing architecture is probably very nice but there is a severe driver issue that Apple's going to have to address if they want Mac users to be able to print to non-PS printers from within Mac apps under the new OS. You can't exactly dump a Postscript file to a Stylewriter and expect it to print. )the truth of this statement remains to be seen... Yep, just a few more days and 'something' will be revealed. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
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From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 2 Jan 1997 12:07:43 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ag8ef$t2o@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> Cc: chu@ipoline.com In <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> "Frank Chu" wrote: > I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since > it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly > no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) > running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance > or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache > onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only > half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. > Ah, education, one can see the warm shine of wisdom... Get some brain between your ears, then see some benchmark reports. A PPC603e may easily blow away a MMX Pentium at the same clock. A PPC604e can do the same for the PPro. As usual the problem is the compiler technology, the best RISC cpu is scrap metal when the machine code isn't fully optimized for it. So your millage may vary. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: tedl@top.net (Ted Leonard) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:40:03 -0600 Organization: IDT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <tedl-ya02408000R0101972340030001@news.top.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Frank Chu (chu@ipoline.com) wrote: >: I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since >: it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly >: no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) >: running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance >: or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache >: onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only >: half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. This is the sort of thing that happens when people let their 12 year olds play with their computer. > >: P.S. Flames welcome. Flames welcome? More like flames inevitable. -- Ted Leonard tedl@top.net If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started.
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: GX, and why it sucks, or is wonderful. WAS: (Will Apple release ...) Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,alt.flame Date: 1 Jan 1997 13:44:53 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <5adpol$apr@portal.gmu.edu> References: <AEEDB2AD-1417B7@199.183.202.57> <AEEDAA27-34A55@198.68.42.169> <AEEEB9119668197F25@bos-ma9-12.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: idiots! You can't post right to save your asses In article <AEEEB9119668197F25@bos-ma9-12.ix.netcom.com>, Ishir Bhan <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> wrote: >In article <AEEDAA27-34A55@198.68.42.169>, >"Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >>WHich newsgroup are you reading this from? > >I'm reading it from comp.sys.next.advocacy (which seems to be the primary >source for discussions on the new OS these days), but my point was that we >have already established here that it would be nice if Apple put in GX at >some point in the future. Rather than trying to convince the newsgroups' >readers of the benefits of GX, it might be better to communicate directly >with Apple. Yea, but you're posting in these groups, with this Subject: #REe: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? #Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac. \-(1) + misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys. -(1) + mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next. -(1)--(1)--[1] + advocacy Can you, and everyone else, PLEASE try to yank these endless GX flamewars OUT of the misc groups?? I doubt Lawson will, as he seems to be a total Spam King about GX, but frankly the inappropriate crossposting, and Subject lines that have nothing to do with reality are totaly annoying and tiresome, even IN the advocacy groups, much less seeing the same garbage in the misc groups. I'm expecting a "Make Money Fast With GX" post from Lawson any day now posted to most of the newsgroups on the net, and chances are, it'll just make things even worse, because the same people will argue with him with the same CLUELESS crossposting. Please, TRY to develop a clue about what groups you're posting to, Take things OUT of the "Followup-To:" line that shouldn't be in it, and consider changing the Subject line to something that reflects your actual subject! It's NOT that hard. For people who are arguing technical points, you'd think the mastery of basic usenet wouldn't be too tough. Lawson: If you are going to insist on taking on all comers in your advocacy of GX, PLEASE try to use appropriate followups. You're WAY out of hand on this stuff, and I don't know about other people, but I'm starting to hate GX sight unseen simply because of the stupid postings I'm seeing day after day after day to the wrong places with the wrong subjects. There's also a thing called "Email" (GASP), and you could try arguing about this drivel there... Me . -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 1 Jan 1997 23:05:10 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF0A11D-152FBF@198.68.42.213> References: <5afal1$g0b@news3.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> In the hundreds of calls that make up its API there are probably >> less than 10 which take in Mac OS specific structures. > >Hows this, DPS has none. Are you saying that DPS does its own windows management on every platform that it is ported to without feedback at any level from the host OS? My. You're right. DPS was coded by gods, and I mean of the religious kind, not programming. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 04:40:47 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: )rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: )Well you rehashing things hasn't solved problems for real users in )the real world. Actually GX has solved a lot of problems for users such as printing at the highest DPI possible on Quickdraw-based printers. )Actually, I think OPENSTEP 4.x uses truetype...I haven't had a need )to try it, so perhaps someone who has will tell us about their )experiences. TrueType GX has quite a bit more in it than base TrueType, i.e. No incarnation of DPS and OpenStep can take advantage of its features. )Furthermore, the TextObject under OpenStep does those things, like )ligatures, kerning, et. al. That functionality is no more 'grafted' )onto OpenStep than it is 'grafted' onto GX's OO api. It's a hell of a lot more than just ligatures and kerning. )Nothing fancy. Often simple memos wouldn't print in ms word. I'd )remove the extension, viola, it'd print. Ah, Word. Bingo, there's your problem. Nisus, WordPerfect, and every other word processor I've tried on the Mac print just fine with GX. )True, ms blows big fat chunks. The PS their drivers produce are )an abomination. But other apps other than ms word have problems )too. Let me guess, Adobe apps? ) I don't put it past ms to purposefully sabotage a technology )such as gx for lord knows what purpose... It's not sabotage it's ineptitude and a crappy development environment. )However, the problems )are not limited to ms products. Also, considering ms word is the )most popular wp on the mac...it really seems that there should be )something apple will do to work with it...even if it's to disable )itself while working with apps that are known to be incompatible...like )word... That would require GX's printing architecture yanking itself out putting the old printing architecture back in printing, and then kicking it out again when its done. Trust me, that's *not* a feasible plan. )Other than transparencies...considering most people haven't EVER )used transparencies since they dont use DPS...it's not a problem. True, but it makes your claim about DPS being WYSIWYG false. It's only WYSIWYG most of the time. Just like GX. ) Until GX )printers are common, that will stay the same. GX doesn't need GX specific printers the Postscript it makes is quite good. Best of all you never have to nor need to see it. ))Better a performance hit and actually be able to print! Here let's go over this again: GX GRAPHICS IS SEPARATE FROM GX PRINTING!!!!!!! It's an entirely separate init and shared library. If for some reason Apple can not get the Printing section going they can still integrate the Graphics section. )Actually you can. They likely will do just that. B/C it's easier )than ripping things out and re-implementing you're even larger )wheel. Did I say rip out DPS??????? ****NO**** I said integrate GX into the OpenStep API as an alternative imaging model and leave DPS where it is. I also said that Apple should place more emphasis on it and QTML when designing additions to their new OS. Writing a few widget classes that use GX is a *FAR* easier task than trying to reproduce GX's functionality in OpenStep. I mean do you really care if some new app uses GX instead of DPS to draw its text field??? As long as its faster and provides better features you should be happy. )Puhleez, how long have you worked with OpenStep??? Obviously not )very long if you think replacing DPS with GX would be easier than )putting in a couple of classes to reproduce GX's functionality. You'd need a *lot* more than just a couple of classes. Furthermore they'd be totally unnecessary classes if they just integrated GX analogs of OpenStep widgets. )I've been printing to my fax, making it a full PS device, for years. )I have no need for plotting, but one of my friends has a huge one )that works just fine with PS as well. Having a kernel in no way )MANDATES the use of GX. That is silly. Mandates no, but a lack of drivers for the thousands of Quickdraw printers out there would definitely be a problem. Suggesting that everyone buy a license from Adobe is not a particularly good answer to the problem and it *is* a problem. )Regardless, they are talking about REMOVING it. And many common )apps puke with GX for simple tasks. That's today's reality. Today's reality is that a *few* common apps have trouble with GX because they're doing unauthorized things in the OS. Unfortunately one of them is MS Word and that is the most popular word processor. )Um, Mach is HIGHLY portable, and easily ported. That was one of )it's design goals... And more than a goal, that is an implementation )reality. Never said it wasn't. But guess what, Nukernel's easier to port to PowerMacs. Why? It's *already* running on them. Furthermore a lot of Mac tech. is already running on *it*. Why port Mach to the 6100/7100/8100/9150 architecture and the 6200 , and the 6300, and the 6400, and the 7500/8500/9500, and the 7200, and the 5300, and the 1400, and the 3400, and the StarMax and PPCP architectures. (Plus the new PowerExpress systems due in the Fall) They all have different chipsets and components. Call me crazy but I think getting OpenStep going on Nukernel would probably be easier. Mach is pretty different than NT's kernel so OpenStep must not be heavily dependent on Mach's features now. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: pecora@zoltar.nrl.navy.mil (Lou Pecora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 2 Jan 1997 12:47:34 GMT Organization: Naval Research Lab Message-ID: <pecora-0201970748180001@esp225.nrl.navy.mil> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net> <5aejj6$so@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32cb3a67.84938545@news.xmission.com> In article <32cb3a67.84938545@news.xmission.com>, john_zollinger@arkona.com wrote: > >In article <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net>, > >John Moreno <phenix@interpath.com> wrote: [snip] > >}"Apple's marketing prowess" - does anybody besides me think this is > >}suitable for posting in rec.humor? > > Ok, ok. So "prowess" was a bad choice of words. I was thinking of > them compared to NeXT. :-) Perhaps, "muscle" would have been a > better word. "Muscle" is just as bad. Face it, Apple is a Marketing wimp and it seems to have no clue about that. What it needs is a good dose of marketing steroids, but someone has to wake it up first to even realize that. It's pathetic. Lou Pecora code 6343 Naval Research Lab Washington DC 20375 USA == My views are not those of the U.S. Navy. == ------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the 4th Experimental Chaos Conference Home Page: http://natasha.umsl.edu/Exp_Chaos4/ ------------------------------------------------------------
From: brataas@sn.no (John Brataas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:04:03 GMT Organization: SOUND-tec Message-ID: <5agbo5$9me@elle.eunet.no> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu (Scott Hoppe) wrote: > >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) > wrote: > >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded > >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > >> > >>Subject: Virus Alert > >>Importance: High > >> > >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL > >>GREETINGS! ; please delete it > >>WITHOUT reading it. > In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... > > > >What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't > >contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually > run > >it. Someday these people will learn.... > > > They completely missed the joke this time, because the original poster didn't > use the Subject: 'PENPAL GREETINGS!'. "Don't read the messages sendt to you by the obnoxious persons johnb@falch.no and janr@falch.no. If you open this message on a Windows PC you will enable a virus that force you to type "I will rather use a Macintosh" once evey 5 minutes. If you don't follow theese instructions the virus will spinn up you CD or floppy to 95.000 rpm. and slice your PC into two halfs. Forward this info to everyone you know - even your mother in law"
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: need help with networking and Zip Date: 2 Jan 1997 15:33:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970102153200.KAA14762@ladder01.news.aol.com> Two questions: 1) can I network my NeXTstation to my Power Mac 6100 to share my HP Deskwriter 550C? If so, how? 2) can I use my Mac's Zip drive to back up my NeXT running NEXTSTEP 3.0? also, can the NeXT be booted from a Zip? If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it. J. Gidi
From: "Cesár M. Cintron" <ccintron@gte.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextStep/Apple... Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 10:57:34 +0000 Organization: Merging Point Design Message-ID: <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, I'm just posting in order to get some information... I have been using an Apple Macintosh since 1985 (before I owned I had an Apple IIe) and I have watched the progress... I'll admit to all of the Macs short commings... no multi tasking, protected memmory, and one of the most annoying no delete feature... ( if you've ever had to trash a 200+ files on a Mac server that are named the same thing you'ld really hate that the OS sits there and renames each file before go through and deleting them) Anyway getting to the point I'ld like some info on NextStep... I've never worked on a next machine but at first glance the front end reminded me of the SGI desktop (just a first impression). I have worked on SGI Indy's and found them very responsive and I learned to use some of the shell commands to log on to other machines and such...but I wouldn't consider it a day in day out machine for me... I primarily do Graphic Design with all of Adobe's products...etc.etc.... needless to say my mac has served me well... I've heard plenty of info on Next but a good friend (an SGI fanatic) gave me the following responce to my questions... Here's a few unfavorable things about Next, which I know from personal experience, because a friend of mine had a Motorola-based Next Cube for 2-3 years: - There were 2 parts to the Next operating system: NextStep, and a very old, very crummy Unix. NextStep lived on top of the very old, very crummy Unix, but didn't really depend on it, which is why they were able to port NextStep to Windows. - The very old, very crummy Unix part of Next's OS is far worse than even the freeware Linux (I know, because I used Linux for several years, as did my friend). - The basic foundation of NextStep (which was ported to Windows) is a language called "Objective C". It's not C, or C++, but a different variation on them. Next didn't even have an Objective C compiler; they depended on the freeware GNU Objective C compiler! - The reason you don't hear too much about Objective C is that it was a weird, quirky language. It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military computer language called Ada also offers interfaces). There is nothing else in Objective C worth anything. - Anything NextStep delivered that was new, or leading edge, has long since been incorporated into commercial products delivered by lots of other vendors; look at http://www.chorus.com, http://www.iona.com, http://www.roguewave.com, etc. Here's two examples of how way off-target NextStep is/was: - OK, it has DisplayPostscript like SGIs do, but in order to customize your desktop (i.e., add new menus), you actually had to WRITE POSTSCRIPT CODE! SGI dropped that way of doing things years ago, as did Sun. - For 3D renering (because Job's finger is up Pixar's butt) they chose Renderman. Renderman is NOT a real-time rendering language; it is a very slow photorealistic renderer (which is not even very good, because it doesn't support NURBS, which means that geometry has to be chopped up into simpler curves when feeding it to Renderman). Even Microsoft licensed OpenGL; why didn't Next? My friend hasn't steered me wrong in info and this may be an opiion on older Next products as he metioned the Next Cube... seeing As Next does not make CPU's anymore... can some one address these issues for???
From: bstone@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 2 Jan 1997 17:20:28 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Message-ID: <5agqos$m1e@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <5afal1$g0b@news3.digex.net> <AEF0A11D-152FBF@198.68.42.213> Lawson English (english@primenet.com) wrote: > Are you saying that DPS does its own windows management on > every platform that it is ported to without feedback at any > level from the host OS? Er. Actually, that's more or less correct. The Window Manager in NeXTstep is actually written in Display PostScript and communicates with the OS through the standard pipeline for rendering instructions. > My. > > You're right. DPS was coded by gods, and I mean of the > religious kind, not programming. They're very bright people. Leo was on my top 5 list of people to talk to at NeXTworld expo every year. So was Avie. Apple has bought an incredible R&D team and I'm excited about the future of Apple for the first time in years. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blake W. Stone bstone@dkw.com Technical Director - DKW Systems "Art may imitate life, but life http://www.dkw.com/bstone imitates TV" - Ani Difranco
From: pxpst2@pitt.edu (the) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:10:46 +0200 Organization: jj Distribution: inet Message-ID: <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> Frank you are an idiot that does not know JACK. You surely don't know processors. The PowerPC chip is a generartion ahead of the pentium. The MacOS even hobbled by nonnative I/O routines can still keep up with the Pentiums. The PowerPC was designed to have a hefty FPU. It is the role of programmers to use it. Here is some advice: My grandmother told me "it is better to keep your mouth shut and have peaple think you are dumb than to open your mouth and let peaple know you are dumb." Peter Pediaditakis
From: paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:25:55 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> In <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> Jim Thompson wrote: > Mach wouldn't be the 'best' move for Apple, for sure. However, > despite rumors to the contrary, Mach already runs on the PPC. > (Apple paid OSF to port it. This port is the direct ancestor of > MkLinux.) > > I think NeXT's strengths are in their object technology; that's what > they've been shopping around the last few years, not the underlying > Mach OS. Please remember to distinuguish between Mach (a kernel) and MachOS, a version of BSD 4.3 with the kernel replaced by Mach. I would have been much happier if NeXT never started this confusion by referring to their BSD Unix port as MachOS. The bits that come from BSD are ten years old and desperately need replacing. Mach itself has different virtues; it may also require updating, but this isn't so obvious to a user. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:51:55 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > I mean please show me how to take the words 'Burn In' colored > with a bright red and black vertical gradient and apply just > its saturation value to all underlying shapes in Illustrator? > (Its actually a very cool and dare I say useful effect) > Furthermore what if I want to or need to drag that text around > to reposition it? Illustrator just sucks at stuff like this. Wow, I can't believe it... I'm about to agree :) I don't like Illustrator either...I like freehand/virtuoso best. It lets me do some really cool things a great deal easier. Though, I'm no professional artist, and several pro's that I know swear by Illustrator...so it maybe my un-professional status that prevents me from appreciating its nuances... But for me, Freehand/Virtuoso let me get at things I do easier... > )Note that this proposal does not require that DPS be ripped out. > John in his delusional rants some how believes that I want > DPS to be ripped out. That's just silly, the idea here is to > *add* features to the OS. I personally *want* to have DPS > around. There are a lot research papers in PS format and I'd > rather not wait for GX Maker to chug through them. (Conversion > is *not* a fast process...) However I do not want to see Apple > base their new GUI on it because they've got a better in house > alternative. That in no way implies that DPS has to be ripped > out. All I'm talking about are some new subclasses. Puhleez, I'm willing to take a poll as to who seems more delusional. Seems the hardline positions of the GX clan are softening to very reasonable proposals, and I say great. But more than a lot of FUD was being spread...I'm not naming names ;) and I just wasn't going to let it fly... B/c FUD uncontested get's to be believed...and this is a truly COOEL time for all, and I want whatever decisions are made, to be made on merits, not on paranoia. Anyway...like I said, if GX can replace DPS with the same or more functionality, w/o affecting stability, and with little resource or time requirements, then I'm all for it! However, that seems unlikely, and at least for a while, DPS will have to be kept around. Thank goodness, some consensus :)))) > )yeah, and since ultimately it all gets rendered into PostScript > for )output, its pretty compelling that the onscreen representation > also be in )PS. > Not that compelling for most users. Speed is more important, > furthermore as long as it looks right coming out, most could > care less. BOLONEY! As people in the DTP world... It is absolutely compelling. It was why they loved the mac, b/c the mac was the most WYSIWYG platform. Getting even higher fidelity is always welcome. > Sure they will :) I *guarantee* that if I draw a transparent > circle over a bitmap on screen and then print it out with GX > to my Postscript printer, that transparency will be preserved. > If I wrote the equivalent code in DPS it would *not*. GX does > the appropriate preprocessing of the Postscript output. *NOT* > a trivial task mind you and something you would have to do > yourself to convert the DPS code into printable PS code. Again, there are cures for this currently under NeXTSTEP, and an upgrade to DPS3 will make it all the more moot. > You can say that transparency's not used much, but it could > very well be because your imaging system makes handling it > difficult. (Also processors are only now just becoming fast > enough to handle large amounts of transparent layered graphics > in real time.) This is very likely true. Actually, transparency is used WIDELY throughout the display system...but not in printing. Tiz very true. > )The point is, do you work in one imaging model and output to > )another, or work and output in the same imaging model? > Considering that most Mac users have non-PS printers, even if > they had DPS they'd be outputting to a different imaging model. > The point is that why should you the developer or user need > to know or care what imaging model is being used by your output > device? GX always uses the appropriate imaging model for a > given output device. API-wise you're presented with a clean, > fast, and flexible object-oriented system. If you make a circle > that's an inch in diameter on the screen it'll be an inch when > you print it out with GX. Geometry-wise WYSIWYG display is > really not all that hard to achieve with a good display engine, > i.e. there are far more compelling reasons to keep DPS around > than just WYSIWYG display. The real tricky stuff lies in > color-matching, half-toning, font-handling etc. DPS does all those things. It also outputs to anything fax machines, non postscript printers, toasters (ok not yet ;) > In short I'd rather work with one fast and flexible imaging > system that can automatically handle whatever extra processing > is needed in order to recreate on a given output device what > I made on the screen. Well DPS certainly does that... > Incidentally GX produces much better output for Quickdraw-based > printers than the old architecture does. Graphics that used > to be rendered at 72 dpi can now be rendered at the 360 or > 720 dpi that most inkjets support for free. This is made > possible in part because of the hidden GX 'codec' present in > Quicktime 2.1 and above. It allows any app that can display > a PICT file to also display and print resolution independent > vector graphics. It's pretty cool and totally transparent to > the user. You can also make resolution independent Quicktime > movies. DPS has been doing such things for a while. Though, of course, there is no doubt that GX will do a better job on GX printers than DPS would...simply b/c of the unified nature... > )pardon me? how does the kernel affect this *at all*? > The old Mac printing architecture did not work in Copland's > (Nukernel's) compatibility box. GX's was designed as the next > generation one to replace it. It would emulate the classic > printing architecture like it does under Jeez, that's kinda scary...print stuff, as far as I know, generally shouldn't be a kernel issue. > 3 is chosen. If option 2 is chosen then the compatibility box > will have to be substantially updated. (It'd also be a hell of > a lot slower and *much* more unstable) Option 1 could be very > expensive. It isn't now, and apple should have significantly more leverage than NeXT. Furthermore it maybe cheaper...almost like an outsourcing firm. If they can develop display technology faster, cheaper, more effectively than you can internally, then why not. > OpenStep's printing architecture is probably very nice but > there is a severe driver issue that Apple's going to have to > address if they want Mac users to be able to print to non-PS > printers from within Mac apps under the new OS. You can't > exactly dump a Postscript file to a Stylewriter and expect it > to print. That's not true. There are already options allow you to print to a great bulk of non-PS printers.... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: garcorp@aol.com (GarCorp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 2 Jan 1997 18:38:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970102183700.NAA19061@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <pecora-0201970748180001@esp225.nrl.navy.mil> > >}"Apple's marketing prowess" - does anybody besides me think this is > >}suitable for posting in rec.humor? hey hey hey here..... easy does it! I'm a proud HeloCar owner.... - Gary gary@garcorp.com (NeXT/MIME OK)
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:12:08 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ah1a8$hiq@news.Hawaii.Edu> Frank Chu (chu@ipoline.com) wrote: : I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since : it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly : no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) : running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance : or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache : onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only : half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. Shitty Mac OS compared to what? Solaris? Yes. But a SPARC station is far more expensive them a PowerPC Mac. If you prefer a SUN Sparc over System/6000 running AIX. Ok. That's your choice. What's that got to do with PowerPC Mac? A dual Pentium should cost less than half of a SPARC or O2. And SPARC and O2 are not shitty machines. PPC CPUs can not eat shit. Only organisms capable to consuming can. I'm sure you are one of them. Your logic goes like this. A top of the line Pentium costs the same as a SPARC or O2. Win95 is shit. A BeBox, dual PPC is ultra fast, cost a fraction of Sun's or SGI's workstation. So all of a sudden, Pentium based CPUs developed a capability to cosume digested food. Huh?
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac->NeXTstation->printer Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:56:00 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3E75D.8MB@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu> In article <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu> jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) writes: > If I have a Mac and a NeXTstation networked together, is it possible to > print from the Mac to a NeXT laser printer hooked up to the NeXTstation? Or > is there any other way to get from the Mac to the NeXT printer? > > Any help is much appreciated. > A real Mac/NeXT question! Assuming you've got TCP set up, then lpr1.2.cpt.hqx.gz will let you print (slightly limited, but just about functional) on a NeXT printer from the Mac. You cannont connect the NeXT printer to anything other than a NeXT. However for completness it's worth mentioning lpdaemon3.4.cpt.hqx.gz. If you did have a printer on your Mac, you could use that to print to it from the NeXT. It you weren't so far away I'd suuguest a trade - I've an Apple Laserwriter that I'd trade for a NeXT printer, as I use my NeXT far more than my Mac! $an
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc From: alan@oes.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger) Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Message-ID: <alan-0201971308590001@129.212.7.98> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com (Usenet Administration) Organization: Amdahl References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:02:46 GMT In article <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk>, paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > In <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> Jim Thompson wrote: > > Mach wouldn't be the 'best' move for Apple, for sure. However, > > despite rumors to the contrary, Mach already runs on the PPC. > > (Apple paid OSF to port it. This port is the direct ancestor of > > MkLinux.) > > > > I think NeXT's strengths are in their object technology; that's what > > they've been shopping around the last few years, not the underlying > > Mach OS. > > Please remember to distinuguish between Mach (a kernel) and MachOS, a version > of BSD 4.3 with the kernel replaced by Mach. I would have been much happier > if NeXT never started this confusion by referring to their BSD Unix port as > MachOS. > > The bits that come from BSD are ten years old and desperately need replacing. > Mach itself has different virtues; it may also require updating, but this > isn't so obvious to a user. Is not NEXT based on Mach 2.5 which is basically a BSD unix with Mach messages but was what defined Mach at the time? Mach 3 is a kernel on its own with a Unix personality as an "application". -- Alan Bomberger | (408)-992-2748 | alan@oes.amdahl.com Amdahl Corporation | Opinions are free, worth it, and not Amdahl's Hypertext Word Processor - www.webcom.com/thinker
From: Hunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk (Henry Blackman) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: re: "power" pc chips can eat shit Date: 02 Jan 97 21:26:18 Organization: [not set] Distribution: inet Message-ID: <852261978mnewsHunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk> References: <5ah1a8$hiq@news.Hawaii.Edu> According to the latest issue of Amiga Format (Future Publishing UK) if Quikpak purchase Amiga Technologies (please, please), their new version of Amiga will be DEC Alpha and low end machines will continue to run on 680x0 series (they say 070, 080... - but Motorola have PUBLICALLY said no new 0x0 series processors). What's going on here? Why DEC Alpha, when the rest of the Amiga community are moving toward PowerPC; which are cheaper; AND would enable Quikpak to release lower end machines based on RISC technology as well as high end machines based on the SAME processors THUS enabling users/developers to have the same applications running on their machines (take a breath...). Henry.
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Painfully Slow Text Scrolling in ROM Monitor on ND Turbo Cube Date: 2 Jan 1997 20:24:28 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5ah5hs$n85@news.next.com> References: <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> In article <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> liuyi@cs.utexas.edu (Yi Liu) writes: # #On top of this, everything else runs fine with visually comparable #speed to the Turbo slab once the machine boots up. # #So my question: # # Is this a normal behavior in the ROM monitor on the ND Turbo Cube? Sure is. It's because the i860 on the ND isn't doing anything yet, so all screen draws are being done by the main CPU across the (relatively slow) backplane. Once the WindowManager is up & running, it loads the PostScript interpreter into the i860, and doesn't have to do the blits across the backplane. Much faster. You also see this (to a slight extent) on ColorStations. The drawing code in the ROM isn't anywhere was well optimized as the normal routines, so it's slower. joe
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Painfully Slow Text Scrolling in ROM Monitor on ND Turbo Cube Date: 2 Jan 1997 20:38:11 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5ah6bj$n9f@news.next.com> References: <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> Yi Liu writes > Problem: When booting in verbose mode, the text scrolls very slowly > line-by-line from bottom to top, kind of like watching a > terminal connected via 2400 baud modem, but felt a lot > slower and a lot more annoying. .. > So my question: > > Is this a normal behavior in the ROM monitor on the ND Turbo Cube? Perfectly normal. The ND display is really slow in console mode. I guess someone figured it wasn't worth optimizing the display speed for a mode that the system is only in at boot-up or for single-user mode. -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: Michael Taylor <mtaylor@aw.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:30:35 -0500 Organization: Alias|Wavefront Message-ID: <32CC28FB.15FB@aw.sgi.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Please remember to distinuguish between Mach (a kernel) and MachOS, a version > of BSD 4.3 with the kernel replaced by Mach. I would have been much happier > if NeXT never started this confusion by referring to their BSD Unix port as > MachOS. > > The bits that come from BSD are ten years old and desperately need replacing. > Mach itself has different virtues; it may also require updating, but this > isn't so obvious to a user. > Here's an interesting tidbit that suggests that the new Mac OS will not have the exact same kernel as the current OpenStep implementation. This is taken from the Apple home page: OS Strengths (for OpenStep): Multitasking Memory Protected Symmetric Multi-Processing <<<< Note this Network-Ready The version of the Mach kernel that OpenStep for Mach uses does not currently support symmetric multi-processing. It uses an older version of Mach supposedly because the new version was slower. There was a long standing rumor years ago that NeXT had developed a new multi-processor PPC machine just before dropping the hardware side of their business. If that were true, they must have had some solution the symmetric multi-processing problem. I'm currious as to how this will be resolved. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Note: all of this this is rumor-mongering and speculation. But, everyone needs a hobby:-) -- /\/\ike Taylor | Mail: mtaylor@aw.sgi.com Alias|Wavefront Toronto | Voice: (416) 362-8558 x8740 Developer, API Team =D--' http://reality.sgi.com/mtaylor
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 14:43:11 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF17CCF-F0884@198.68.42.248> References: <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >DPS has been doing such things for a while. Though, of course, >there is no doubt that GX will do a better job on GX printers than >DPS would...simply b/c of the unified nature... AFAIK, there are no "GX printers," only print drivers that support GX. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 2 Jan 1997 14:44:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF17D39-F2167@198.68.42.248> References: <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> The old Mac printing architecture did not work in Copland's >> (Nukernel's) compatibility box. GX's was designed as the next >> generation one to replace it. It would emulate the classic >> printing architecture like it does under > >Jeez, that's kinda scary...print stuff, as far as I know, generally >shouldn't be a kernel issue. Printing is based on the display architecture, no? QuickDraw was never re-entrant, so it couldn't be used in a PMT kernel as the basis for printing. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: nextusr@sleepy.ponyexpress.net (The Woodsman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Calendar and scheduling apps Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 17:10:20 -0500 Organization: PonyExpress Net Message-ID: <nextusr-0201971710200001@ponyexpress-5-port-15.ponyexpress.net> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> The best I have found is also the cheapest. That is Cassendra. It can be found on most NeXT FTP sites. Hope this helps. NeXTusr In article <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net>, timothy@acm.org wrote: > What kind of calendar/schedule/group scheduling software exists for > NEXTSTEP? What are the features and costs? Is there anything besides > PencilMeIn? > > Please email me with any details and contacts. > > Thanks. > Timothy > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy R. Mills 2500 Innsbrook Road > timothy@acm.org Charlotte, NC 28226 > (NeXT/MIME/ASCII) phone: 704-442-1141 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Windows 95 - Got it... Tried it... Dumped it!
From: dbg@be.com (Dominic Giampaolo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 15:11:36 PST Organization: Be Inc. Message-ID: <5ahijv$93g@news.be.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> <32CC28FB.15FB@aw.sgi.com> > There was a long standing rumor years ago that NeXT had developed a new > multi-processor PPC machine just before dropping the hardware side of > their business. If that were true, they must have had some solution the > symmetric multi-processing problem. > It's not just a rumor, it is true. A friend of mine worked on the kernel for it. He said it was up for several months before the project got canceled. When I asked him details about how they dealt with SMP he implied that things like the IO subsystem basically just had one big lock around them because none of the drivers were MP safe. The Mach kernel itself is of course SMP capable. --dominic
From: "sschuldt" <sschuldt@highway1.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: 2 Jan 1997 21:42:33 GMT Organization: Another Netscape News Server User Message-ID: <01bbf8cb$9e8d98f0$953c8018@winona> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> > - There were 2 parts to the Next operating system: NextStep, and a very > old, very crummy Unix. NextStep lived on top of the very old, very > crummy Unix, but didn't really depend on it, which is why they were able > to port NextStep to Windows. > To be more accurate, the application framework (AppKit) was divorced from Mach with some measure of pain and made into the platform-independent standard object layer called OPENSTEP. > - The very old, very crummy Unix part of Next's OS is far worse than > even the freeware Linux (I know, because I used Linux for several years, > as did my friend). > I'm sure you know lots about Linux, but you seem to know next to nothing about NEXTSTEP so why are you claiming 'I know' here? Are you really some cheesed off Be lackey trying to stir up some FUD for the hell of it? NeXT's Mach OS is not now, nor was it ever 'crummy'; it simply is unfashionably BSD-based in a SYSTEM V world. You want crummy UNIX? Try IRIX 4.0. > - The basic foundation of NextStep (which was ported to Windows) is a > language called "Objective C". It's not C, or C++, but a different > variation on them. Next didn't even have an Objective C compiler; they > depended on the freeware GNU Objective C compiler! > Er, so what? What was Linux built on - compilers blessed by the Pope? > - The reason you don't hear too much about Objective C is that it was a > weird, quirky language. It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, > called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military > computer language called Ada also offers interfaces). There is nothing > else in Objective C worth anything. > Actually Objective C is a tiny extension to C that can be understood in half an hour.The reason you don't hear much about Objective-C is because the weird, quirky computer industry got caught up in a vortex of hype and spent ten years and countless millions of engineer years figuring out that C++ was a total fiasco. One word: Taligent. IMO, Objective C was never popular because people could not believe that such simple enhancements to ANSI C could really bring about a revolution in software design and that certainly such a revolution required a labyrinthine monster like C++. It was pure hacker machismo. Funny how it turned out though isn't it? 1997 and C++ is disgraced with 'weird, quirky' Objective-C based NeXT software poised to be running on 30 million computers soon. The truth will out. Everytime. > - Anything NextStep delivered that was new, or leading edge, has long > since been incorporated into commercial products delivered by lots of > other vendors; look at http://www.chorus.com, http://www.iona.com, > http://www.roguewave.com, etc. > Cute, but please, spare me. I'm sure millions are frantically beating down the doors to run Chorus on their PBXs and plucky Orbix is poised as we speak to knock Microsoft, David and Goliath-like, to the canvas but ask yourself this: is there a single product from any of those vendors that main street could really give a rat's behind about? Was Apple really torn 'hmm NeXT Software, Inc. or the Threads.h portable library from Rogue Wave. Hmm, hmm, hmmmmm'. > Here's two examples of how way off-target NextStep is/was: > > - OK, it has DisplayPostscript like SGIs do, but in order to customize > your desktop (i.e., add new menus), you actually had to WRITE POSTSCRIPT > CODE! SGI dropped that way of doing things years ago, as did Sun. > - For 3D renering (because Job's finger is up Pixar's butt) they chose > Renderman. Renderman is NOT a real-time rendering language; it is a > very slow photorealistic renderer (which is not even very good, because > it doesn't support NURBS, which means that geometry has to be chopped up > into simpler curves when feeding it to Renderman). Even Microsoft > licensed OpenGL; why didn't Next? > Actually, here's two examples of how off-target you and your increasingly credibility-impaired pal are. Ever heard of Quick Renderman? I didn't think so. As for licensing OpenGL, NeXT could have done that at any time but why bother? NeXT's core markets were in Financial, Telecommunications and general custom app development; not 3D. 'Add new menus?' Unsure what you are talking about here. Do you mean write a new menu class? If so, try putting a decent OPENSTEP programmer and a decent Motif coder in a room and see who can writes you the new menu faster. "Whatever happened to that SGI guy anyway?" I dare ya. > My friend hasn't steered me wrong in info and this may be an opiion on > older Next products as he metioned the Next Cube... seeing As Next does > not make CPU's anymore... can some one address these issues for??? > Sure. NeXT has always made superior, critically lauded products that were far too pricy, esoteric and erratically marketed to achieve massive success. Were they perfect? No. Were they the derivative, obsolete 'crummy' mess that your pal makes them out to be? No. This has been the general consensus of the entire computer industry from practically day one. Hopefully Apple will correct the problems and let the technology shine. With or without the help or understanding of you and your pal... - Steve Boston '97
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:45:20 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5ahkr0$1g0@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> <01bbf8cb$9e8d98f0$953c8018@winona> > > - The basic foundation of NextStep (which was ported to Windows) is a > > language called "Objective C". It's not C, or C++, but a different > > variation on them. Next didn't even have an Objective C compiler; they > > depended on the freeware GNU Objective C compiler! Whatever article this originally appeared in isn't on my server, but I just felt I had to comment.. that last statement is wrong. NeXT took the free GNU _C_ compiler and turned it into an Objective-C compiler. They then released the code back to GNU (after a while), who then produced their own Obj-C version of gcc. I fail to see what relying on gcc has to do with the quality of their compiler, anyway. gcc is good and extremely portable. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Useful software, mono/color Date: 3 Jan 1997 01:11:29 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5ahmc1$6o4@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> Cc: jak@asu.edu In <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> John Kestner wrote: > > I'm thinking of getting a NeXTstation, and would like to know what kind of > apps are out there that can make it a useful machine to me(as opposed to a > beautiful example of industrial design sitting on my desk). The best place to look for this stuff is probably ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next You can also try ftp://peanuts.leo.org > The categories of software in which I am interested: > > DTP (something like Quark, maybe?) > all sorts of graphics (mostly bitmapped, little vector) including 3D > CAD/something like formZ > webdesign WebObjects :-) There are also a couple of HTML editors (I have one called WebWriter), and an imagemap creator (WebMapper). > light web/mailserver software? For mail, sendmail! Built in, of course. If you're looking for graphical ease-of-use, though, I don't know of any front ends. I expect this will be one of the new tools available from Apple. Apache is a pretty nice free Web server. Again, no front ends that I know of. > and of course internet surfing (mail, newsgroups, www). Mail.app comes w/ the system. You should get the EnhanceMail.bundle for it as well. I use RadicalNews for Usenet. I recall liking the interface for NewsFlash as well. OmniWeb for Web surfing. There's also Netsurfer. > Are there any notable apps in these categories? Especially shareware, of > course. And a way to transfer files to/from a Mac. FTP will work. NEXTSTEP will also read Mac-formatted media, such as floppies. > Also, please note whether any such apps would want color. I'd need to > justify a color NeXTstation (I'm leaning toward mono). Color is always nice, of course. However, I haven't really missed it on my mono system, except for one thing: Web surfing. Mono sucks for Web surfing. But then, Web surfing sucks over 28.8 anyway. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 01:15:58 GMT Organization: RHAHMM Message-ID: <5ahmgp$73c@news3.texas.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <59s88u$63f@buffnet2.buffnet.net> In article <59s88u$63f@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, rwcrosby@buffnet.net (Rik Crosby) wrote: >Ya know, if I remember correctly, thi seems to be the EXACT same warning that >was floating around with Good Times. > >In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... >> >>What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't >>contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run >>it. Someday these people will learn.... >> >>In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >>>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >>>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM >>> >>>Subject: Virus Alert [snip] I apologize for the virus alert post, which I have canceled. It was stupid of me to post it without checking it out first. -- John
From: cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: - NeXTApple logo.gif (0/1) My contribution to the NeXT/Apple logos Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 18:56:58 -0500 Organization: University of Maine System Message-ID: <cwood41-ya023080000201971856580001@news.caps.maine.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gif of the NeXT logo, but with the letters replaced by a garden variety Apple logo, rotated the appropriate -28 degrees. (Apologies to Paul Rand.) --Chris -- Christopher Wood cwood41@maine.maine.edu D'ohh! <-- in the manner of Homer Simpson
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From: rzeman@his.com (Rick Zeman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:54:36 -0500 Organization: None Message-ID: <rzeman-0201972154370001@shiva1-mclean-252.his.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: |)However, the problems |)are not limited to ms products. Also, considering ms word is the |)most popular wp on the mac...it really seems that there should be |)something apple will do to work with it...even if it's to disable |)itself while working with apps that are known to be incompatible...like |)word... | | That would require GX's printing architecture yanking itself out putting |the old printing architecture back in printing, and then kicking it out |again when its done. Trust me, that's *not* a feasible plan. Actually, that's exactly what Lawrence's OldPrint hack does. It, however, IS a hack (his term) and that shouldn't be supported in the system software. -- _________________________________________________________________________ Rick Zeman In our secret world, we will collide mailto:rzeman@his.com In all of the places we were hiding love Will Rogers never met Bill Clinton What was it we were thinking of?
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:46:14 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) wrote: >sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) wrote: > >>Sendmail is everything. >>It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. > >>And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >>cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. > >>My favorite sendmail bug: > >>The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. >>Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the >>/etc/passwd file with something like: > >The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your >identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing >/etc/passwd to the postmaster... > >Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. > >I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the >uudecode/uuencode aliases. Yes, sendmail is complex. It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it is now one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able to find still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will be hard to find bugs. Now you can do lite version of sendmail, fo small servers. But you won't have powerfull mail server. If you must manage huge sites, with a huge number of people with different ways of tranfering mails (not only TCP/IP connections), with a different service to offer (aliases, groups, autoreply and new actually unexisting services), you may opt for sendmail. One reason because Apple bought NeXT was because they offer products for Fortune 500. Apple too has a "pro" servers line : they run under AIX (IBM Unix), no ? Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: Mark Lau <markl@netcom.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 20:57:10 -0500 Organization: Netcom Canada Message-ID: <32CC6776.78A1@netcom.ca> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cesár M. Cintron wrote: [... stuff deleted ...] > - The reason you don't hear too much about Objective C is that it was a > weird, quirky language. It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, > called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military > computer language called Ada also offers interfaces). There is nothing > else in Objective C worth anything. > Actually, I believe you can get pretty much the same effect as the Objective-C interface in C++ by using virtual abstract base classes with pure virtual functions only. As a reasonably experienced C++ developer, I find the Objective-C's category and forwarding features extremely useful. By using categories, a developer can add new methods to existing classes without needing the source code (you do need the header file, though). This is invaluable considering NeXT ships an extensive library of classes and typically only their header files are available. Now, say you want to add a method to the String class to get the first character. By using categories, you can achieve this by adding a method called firstChar to the String class. Note that even though you can also add methods through subclassing, the return types of the methods of these shipped classes have already been defined in the library and thus cannot be substituted with their subclasses. Forwarding is useful as you can use a generic forwarder object to stand in for another object without forcing the forwarder object to inherit from the same base class as the other. Of these two features, forwarding can be (inconveniently) simulated in C++ by writing your own proxy classes but there is simply no C++ equivalence of Category. Mark.
From: EASTERYI@chollian.dacom.co.kr (õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Financial programming info needed! Date: 3 Jan 1997 02:22:57 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Message-ID: <5ahqi1$tm6$1@usenet.dacom.co.kr> Hi !~ you there. I'm working on financial programming. But here in Seoul, there ain'nt any info to look up, so if you have any tips or guide on this subject, please write to me now! I appreciate anything you wrote. I am planning to make a financial analysis software that will be used by stock companies as a dicision backup tool. Do here anybody interested in derivatives ? Thanks in advance. Easter T. Yi
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 19:24:09 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-0201971924090001@ip005.mu3.nwlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > Never said it wasn't. But guess what, Nukernel's easier to port to > PowerMacs. Why? It's *already* running on them. Furthermore a lot of Mac > tech. is already running on *it*. Why port Mach to the 6100/7100/8100/9150 > architecture and the 6200 , and the 6300, and the 6400, and the > 7500/8500/9500, and the 7200, and the 5300, and the 1400, and the 3400, and > the StarMax and PPCP architectures. (Plus the new PowerExpress systems due > in the Fall) They all have different chipsets and components. Call me crazy > but I think getting OpenStep going on Nukernel would probably be easier. > Mach is pretty different than NT's kernel so OpenStep must not be heavily > dependent on Mach's features now. 1. There is no way for *you* to know what is easier. Apple and NeXT engineers will have to decide 2. Mach 3.0 is already running on most PowerMacs via the MkLinux project 3. Mac technologies shouldn't and most likely don't care what kernel they are running on -Mark -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
From: shawk@panix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Painfully Slow Text Scrolling in ROM Monitor on ND Turbo Cube Date: 2 Jan 1997 18:33:47 GMT Organization: Digital Telemedia Inc. Message-ID: <5agv2b$o7a@maceo.dti.net> References: <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> Cc: liuyi@cs.utexas.edu Yes.
From: dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:53:13 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ai3a2$r4p@camel5.mindspring.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: >dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) wrote: >>The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your >>identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing >>/etc/passwd to the postmaster... >>Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. >>I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the >>uudecode/uuencode aliases. >Yes, sendmail is complex. >It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it >can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it is now >one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able to find >still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will be hard to >find bugs. I don't think so. Some very old bugs just cropped back up again in very recent versions. The fact is that all but the most recent are known to be vulnerable to attacks, both external and internal. I believe all versions prior to 8.7 are considered vulnerable to a number of different attacks, and several of the 8.7 and later series have problems. There is a new version nearly every month as new bugs are discovered. David LeBlanc |Why would you want to have your desktop user, dleblanc@mindspring.com |your mere mortals, messing around with a 32-bit |minicomputer-class computing environment? |Scott McNealy
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 01:06:05 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000301970106050001@news.tiac.net> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> <01bbf8cb$9e8d98f0$953c8018@winona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <01bbf8cb$9e8d98f0$953c8018@winona>, "sschuldt" <sschuldt@highway1.com> wrote: > IMO, Objective C was never popular because people could not > believe that such simple enhancements to ANSI C could really bring > about a revolution in software design and that certainly such a revolution > required a labyrinthine monster like C++. It was pure hacker machismo. I found it interesting to recently read a book about C++ written back when it was new. Many of the critical "improvements" were incorporated in ANSI C. And, by just waiting, I've avoided having to learn C++ ;-). snip > so. As for licensing OpenGL, NeXT could have done that at any time > but why bother? A recent development for the Sparc Ultra that we monitor is based on the Mesa clone of OpenGL (guess OpenGL itself wasn't ready). And Mesa has been ported to NS. So I guess the unidentified whiner Steve is responding to can have it (at no cost). Quality freeware (usually with source) has always been a NS bonus. Barney
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 20:00:59 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> In article <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: >> Specifically what were the problems, and which apps were being >> used? > >Nothing fancy. Often simple memos wouldn't print in ms word. I'd >remove the extension, viola, it'd print. Word 6 and Excel 5 are supposedly GX-aware (they support native GX printing), but this does not seem to work reliably. They print a lot better if you lie to them and tell them GX isn't installed. You don't actually have to deinstall GX, and the applications are still printing through GX and using the GX printer drivers, but they work a *lot* better if they don't know they're doing so. Doesn't this reinforce the contention that the problems are with the applications, not with GX? >True, ms blows big fat chunks. The PS their drivers produce are >an abomination. But other apps other than ms word have problems >too. I'd love to know which other ones. >> Using the EXACT same >> code )to draw the screen and to print is the highest level of >> WYSIWYG )possible...by definition. Period. So as long as >> Postscript printers )are the norm, DPS will achieve the highest >> WYSIWYG fidelity. Your )refusal to accept this is just blind. Unfortunately, PostScript printers have never been, and never will be, the norm. I estimate they account for less than 6% of the current printer market, and this share is dwindling. Even Adobe no longer have absolute confidence in the supremacy of PostScript, which is why they introduced that strange thing called PrintGear... >> No it's not. If you use one of DPS' calls that isn't in >> Postscript, then it won't print. The question is will the DPS3 >> engine support transparency while printing to PSLevel2 printers. > >Other than transparencies...considering most people haven't EVER >used transparencies since they dont use DPS...it's not a problem. >And with D/PS3 all features should work. Even though PostScript Level 2 has been around for--how long? 5-7 years?--we still cannot forget about the large number of Level 1 printers still in common use. With PostScript Level 3, the situation will be worse--it simply will not be worth writing Level-3-specific code, that only works with a tiny fraction of newer printers, only to write another version of it that is backward-compatible with Level 2 and Level 1. >Still doesn't change >things...you can try to ignore reality, holding your breath and >shaking your head all you like. DPS & PS as a unified imaging >model produce the highest fidelity WYSIWYG possible... Until GX >printers are common, that will stay the same. I've got news for you: you probably already have several GX printers about the place! Remember, every PostScript printer is a GX printer. And there are lots of non-PostScript printers that have GX drivers available--for example, see the list at <http://www.gxfanclub.com/gxdrivers.html>. Thus, GX gives you a much wider choice of output devices than PostScript does. >DPS also has been ported to MANY platforms, even more than GX... Yes, but unfortunately, the combined market share of all those platforms is only a fraction of the MacOS market share. In other words, Display PostScript has not been ported to any *significant* platforms. Why is this? If Display PostScript is so wonderful, why don't Adobe use it themselves, in their own products, on Mac, Windows and elsewhere? For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 02:16:56 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R0301970216560001@news.erols.com> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> <AEEF16CD966829771@bos-ma11-17.ix.netcom.com> <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >> >...often pukes on simple files... >> >> Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX by apps, >> not because of GX itself. > >If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. > Or just very bad programming (hardware banging) perhaps. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 02:20:47 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R0301970220470001@news.erols.com> References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >> >If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. >> >> No, it's because the QD apps were using non-documented features of QD >> printing. MS is well known for this. > >If GX replaces Quickdraw, then it is the responsibility of GX >to match the behavior of QuickDraw. Blaming pre-existing applications >for incompatabilities in new software is pretty lame. > So a company should plan on a developer totally ignoring rules set down in Inside Macintosh? Give me a break. >It's not like Apple doesn't have the source to QuickDraw. > It's not like M$ doesn't have access to Inside Macintosh either. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 3 Jan 1997 07:39:10 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-f-69.usc.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aid2u$89@usc.edu> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> <5ai3a2$r4p@camel5.mindspring.com> Cc: dleblanc@mindspring.com In <5ai3a2$r4p@camel5.mindspring.com> David LeBlanc wrote: > I don't think so. Some very old bugs just cropped back up again in > very recent versions. The fact is that all but the most recent are > known to be vulnerable to attacks, both external and internal. I > believe all versions prior to 8.7 are considered vulnerable to a > number of different attacks, and several of the 8.7 and later series > have problems. There is a new version nearly every month as new bugs > are discovered. I think that qmail might be offering something more secure. At least it seems to... -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 02:56:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000301970256520001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: )But for me, Freehand/Virtuoso )let me get at things I do easier... Got Freehand too, and it works with color better, but believe me no vector program touches LD in that respect. ) Anyway...like I )said, if GX can replace DPS with the same or more functionality, )w/o affecting stability, and with little resource or time requirements, )then I'm all for it! Why are you constantly harping on GX to replace DPS? They should both be available for users. GX would not 'replace' DPS, it would just be used as a more flexible and easier to use alternative. )BOLONEY! As people in the DTP world... It is absolutely compelling. )It was why they loved the mac, b/c the mac was the most WYSIWYG )platform. Getting even higher fidelity is always welcome. You're not getting higher fidelity though. The one complaint users have against GX is that they can't print from some apps, you never hear complaints about GX producing something that wasn't an accurate representation of what's on the screen. )Again, there are cures for this currently under NeXTSTEP, and an )upgrade to DPS3 will make it all the more moot. Again you haven't answered whether or not DPS3 will enable transparency on DPS2 and DPS1 printers. Furthermore GX TransferModes are a lot more sophisticated than just transparency. Please show me the Postscript L3 code that will take an arbitrary shape's luminance channel and transfer it to the saturation channel of whatever it's drawn on top of. )This is very likely true. Actually, transparency is used WIDELY )throughout the display system...but not in printing. Tiz very )true. Definitely a problem, and worsened when you consider that transparency still can model a lot of GX's transfer mode interactions. Some of which are probably more useful than plain transparency. A hue transfer for instance is a simple and very powerful way of high-lighting something. There's an excellent example of this in one of LD GX's demo files. Download the GX Graphics extension and give it a whirl. )DPS does all those things. It also outputs to anything fax machines, )non postscript printers, toasters (ok not yet ;) As does GX, but again GX is faster and easier to use. )Well DPS certainly does that... Actually for what I'm doing it doesn't, but I'm doing 'weird' things ;) )DPS has been doing such things for a while. Though, of course, )there is no doubt that GX will do a better job on GX printers than )DPS would...simply b/c of the unified nature... There's no such thing as a 'GX printer' I was talking about plain old or classic Quickdraw printers. Quickdraw may be part of QD GX's name, but it's an *entirely* different entity. Furthermore the point wasn't whether or not one could rasterize PS to something a non-PS printer could understand, but that GX enabled classic Quickdraw-based apps to dramatically improve their output without changing a byte of code. DPS would have to patch into the Mac Toolbox and do all of the other scary things that GX's printing section does in order to achieve the same functionality. )Jeez, that's kinda scary...print stuff, as far as I know, generally )shouldn't be a kernel issue. Printing by itself isn't, but printing drivers *are*. )It isn't now, and apple should have significantly more leverage )than NeXT. Furthermore it maybe cheaper...almost like an outsourcing )firm. If they can develop display technology faster, cheaper, more )effectively than you can internally, then why not. Definitely some truth to this, but it would probably cost a very pretty penny to license the appropriate driver software for the scads of non-PS printers. Remember Apple would have to purchase a mass Mac OS license, and that would easily shoot into the 10s of millions of dollars. )That's not true. There are already options allow you to print to )a great bulk of non-PS printers.... Without third party software it's most certainly true, which was my point. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 03:03:09 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000301970303090001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0201971924090001@ip005.mu3.nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <marke-0201971924090001@ip005.mu3.nwlink.com>, marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: )1. There is no way for *you* to know what is easier. Apple and NeXT )engineers will have to decide No denying that. But it certainly doesn't look particularly promising for Mach on PowerMacs. )2. Mach 3.0 is already running on most PowerMacs via the MkLinux project *Barely* running is more like it. They still don't support a couple of million Performa users out there, 8500 users like myself can't use it because of quirks with the video drivers... Again Nukernel gets around these, plus all current drivers for PCI boards will work unchanged under Nukernel. There are virtually no PCI board drivers for Mach 3.0 on PowerMac. If Apple needed to use Mach for a quick 'developer-only' port they're probably better off using MachTen, it has a native file system now and runs on all PowerMac hardware. (as a process in sys. 7.x) Furthermore it's the same version of Mach used in OpenStep/Mach. )3. Mac technologies shouldn't and most likely don't care what kernel they )are running on Drivers have to care. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:18:44 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Jan3.081844.7799@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> <alan-0201971308590001@129.212.7.98> In <alan-0201971308590001@129.212.7.98> Alan Bomberger wrote: > In article <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk>, > paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > > Please remember to distinuguish between Mach (a kernel) and MachOS, a version > > of BSD 4.3 with the kernel replaced by Mach. I would have been much happier > > if NeXT never started this confusion by referring to their BSD Unix port as > > MachOS. > > Is not NEXT based on Mach 2.5 which is basically a BSD unix with > Mach messages but was what defined Mach at the time? Mach 3 is a kernel > on its own with a Unix personality as an "application". No.... NeXTSTEP is based on the Mach 2.5 kernel (more or less), plus parts of BSD 4.3. The kernel is not the same as BSD Unix, by a factor of many hundreds of programs. Mach 3.0, as you say, does it very differently, but it is still a kernel and needs the support of a form of Unix to become a complete OS. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Message-ID: <1997Jan2.203506.1650@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Cc: ccintron@gte.net Organization: Disorganization References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:35:06 GMT In <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> "CesÆr M. Cintron" wrote: > > Here's a few unfavorable things about Next, which I know from personal > experience, because a friend of mine had a Motorola-based Next Cube for > 2-3 > years: Obviously, your friend has a computer, so you're expert on the following: > > - The basic foundation of NextStep (which was ported to Windows) is a > language called "Objective C". It's not C, or C++, but a different > variation on them. Next didn't even have an Objective C compiler; they > depended on the freeware GNU Objective C compiler! The Objective-C Compiler was made by NeXT and given to GNU. Only the C-Compiler was original GNU - one of the best C compilers on the market. Anything wrong with this ? > > - The reason you don't hear too much about Objective C is that it was a > weird, quirky language. It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, > called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military > computer language called Ada also offers interfaces). There is nothing > else in Objective C worth anything. You had better get some knowldege on the language besides the fact that your friend owns a cube. You might also read an introductory book on Smalltalk. After that, talk about 'quirky'. > > My friend hasn't steered me wrong in info and this may be an opiion on > older Next products as he metioned the Next Cube... seeing As Next does > not make CPU's anymore... can some one address these issues for??? > NeXT never made a CPU - you had better fresh up you knowledge about CPU's, too. -- ----- Thomas Funke ----------------------- thomas@gamelan.shnet.org ----- C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung
From: ct207@cam.ac.uk (Constantin Teleman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 3 Jan 1997 10:30:58 GMT Organization: St. John's College Message-ID: <ct207-0301971033150001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Unfortunately, PostScript printers have never been, and never will be, the > norm. I estimate they account for less than 6% of the current printer > market, and this share is dwindling. But they probably account for nearly 100% of the *quality* printer market... and it's pointless to debate the merits of advanced imaging technologies when talking about cheap inkjets. If PS rasterization is built into the operating system, you won't need a PS printer to print a PS file (though it will be faster). By the way, printing QuickDraw on a PS printer *will* slow down your machine, while it converts QD to PS. > I've got news for you: you probably already have several GX printers about > the place! Remember, every PostScript printer is a GX printer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What on earth could you mean by that? Are you implying that GX is a subset of PostScript? (It's not.) Will any PostScript printer understand downloaded GX commands? (They won't.) You seem to equate "is a GX printer" with "there is a GX-aware driver for it". These are NOT the same things. Please refrain from hugely misleading statements. > For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>. Been there. Hardly convincing. cheers, Constantin
From: Mark Sitkowski <marks@iaccess.COM.AU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 22:54:47 +1100 Organization: D.S.S Message-ID: <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> <5agbo5$9me@elle.eunet.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Brataas wrote: > > battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu (Scott Hoppe) wrote: > > > >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) > > wrote: > > >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded > > >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > > >> > > >>Subject: Virus Alert > > >>Importance: High > > >> Do you know the name of this newsgroup? Did you see the word 'unix' anywhere? I thought after all this time, everyone in the world knew there was no such thing as a 'unix virus'. Obviously the news didn't reach you! > > "Don't read the messages sendt to you by the obnoxious persons > johnb@falch.no and janr@falch.no. If you open this message on a > Windows PC you will enable a virus that force you to type "I will > rather use a Macintosh" once evey 5 minutes. If you don't follow > theese instructions the virus will spinn up you CD or floppy to 95.000 > rpm. and slice your PC into two halfs. Forward this info to everyone > you know - even your mother in law" -- Best regards, Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Sitkowski Ц±È¿ÞºÃ! "In God we trust. All others pay cash..." 5 Bronaldi Street Heathmont Victoria 3135 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home phone: (613-9) 729-0731 ¸øÎÒ´òµç»°! Home fax: (613-9) 720-1487 E-mail: marks@iaccess.com.au --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: brataas@sn.no (John Brataas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 12:22:12 GMT Organization: SOUND-tec Message-ID: <5aitlp$jks@elle.eunet.no> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> <5agbo5$9me@elle.eunet.no> <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU> Mark Sitkowski <marks@iaccess.COM.AU> wrote: > Do you know the name of this newsgroup? Did you see the word 'unix' > anywhere? > I thought after all this time, everyone in the world knew there was > no such thing as a 'unix virus'. Obviously the news didn't reach you! I was so sick about all the Virus Alert on the net so I had to do something :) The ultimate virus joke : ) John :) > > "Don't read the messages sendt to you by the obnoxious persons > > johnb@falch.no and janr@falch.no. If you open this message on a > > Windows PC you will enable a virus that force you to type "I will > > rather use a Macintosh" once evey 5 minutes. If you don't follow > > theese instructions the virus will spinn up you CD or floppy to 95.000 > > rpm. and slice your PC into two halfs. Forward this info to everyone > > you know - even your mother in law" > -- > Best regards, > Mark > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Sitkowski Ц±È¿ÞºÃ! > "In God we trust. All others pay cash..." > 5 Bronaldi Street > Heathmont Victoria 3135 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Home phone: (613-9) 729-0731 ¸øÎÒ´òµç»°! > Home fax: (613-9) 720-1487 E-mail: marks@iaccess.com.au > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Hoekstra <HOEKSTRA_B@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 14:34:04 +0100 Organization: Origin IT Message-ID: <32CD0ACC.746@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> <5agbo5$9me@elle.eunet.no> <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Sitkowski wrote: > ... > I thought after all this time, everyone in the world knew there was > no such thing as a 'unix virus'. Obviously the news didn't reach you! Not true. Refer http://www.cyber.com/papers/plausibility.html -- ----------------------------------------------------- Bob Hoekstra: Unix Consultant Return email: hoekstra_b@cft.philips.nl Home email: bob@khamsin.demon.co.uk -----------------------------------------------------
From: m555@ix.netcom.com (Mark Landin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: 3 Jan 1997 14:30:55 GMT Organization: not organized Message-ID: <5aj56v$pur@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> <5agbo5$9me@elle.eunet.no> <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII In article <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU>, marks@iaccess.COM.AU says... > >I thought after all this time, everyone in the world knew there was >no such thing as a 'unix virus'. Except UNIX. :)
From: Bob Hoekstra <HOEKSTRA_B@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <32CD0ACC.746@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> Control: cancel <32CD0ACC.746@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 16:42:58 +0100 Organization: Philips Electronics N.V. Message-ID: <32CD2902.7DC9@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> References: <32CD0ACC.746@CFT.PHILIPS.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.
From: awdorn@primenet.com (Alexander W. Dorn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "power" pc chips can eat s*** Date: 3 Jan 1997 10:13:07 -0700 Organization: Primenet Message-ID: <5ajen3$s8t@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <5ah1a8$hiq@news.Hawaii.Edu> <852261978mnewsHunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk> Hunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk (Henry Blackman) wrote: >According to the latest issue of Amiga Format (Future Publishing UK) if Quikpak purchase Amiga >Technologies (please, please), their new version of Amiga will be DEC Alpha and low end machines will >continue to run on 680x0 series (they say 070, 080... - but Motorola have PUBLICALLY said no new 0x0 >series processors). >What's going on here? Why DEC Alpha, when the rest of the Amiga community are moving toward PowerPC; >which are cheaper; AND would enable Quikpak to release lower end machines based on RISC technology as >well as high end machines based on the SAME processors THUS enabling users/developers to have the >same applications running on their machines (take a breath...). >Henry. Consider This. There is talk (and as far as I know, it is only talk) that Microsoft is no longer going to support non-intel processors with WinNT. Then consider that most of the high-end graphics houses that used Amiga-based software have shifted to Alpha-based machines, and are now running WinNT-based versions of the formerly Amiga software (such as Lightwave). Might it be possible that the people at Quikpak do not see themselves as being able to compete with the Wintel machines in the market, as they do not have the resources that Microsoft has, and so they have looked for another market they can focus on and make a tidy profit in? Also remember, this does not mean that there will be no PowerAmiga, but that, perhaps, Quikpak do not see a profit in it, and perhaps are willing to let others (aka PIOS and Phase5) deal with this mid-range type of machine. If a standard AmigaOS is put out there, or a standard NonAmiga OS that will run on Amigas as well as these other machines, then what difference does it make in exactly who builds the machine? Just think, a DEC Alpha machine that can not only out-render a current Amiga (or PC), but can also run the Video Flyer! Just a thought!
From: Vlod Kalicun <Vlod-KWR.Kalicun@ubs.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 17:04:47 +0000 Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland Message-ID: <32CD3C2F.43C6@ubs.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <sw-ya023580003112961636230001@newshost.nan.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sak Wathanasin wrote: > I've ported several MFC appls to the Mac using MacApp and the frameworks > are similar enough that I don't think I'll have that much trouble learning > MFC. Learning the "New MacStep" is going to be a much bigger investment. So > far, I haven't seen anything that tells me that such an investment will pay > off. I look forward to being convinced otherwise. Hold off! Im not a Next expert.. but there has to be a market otherwise NEXT would have gone out of business years ago. There HAS to be applications for it now, so there wont be a lack of applications at launch. Applications are 'apparently' easier to write on the Next, due to its object orientated nature. Reviewers have said (when the NEXTCube initially came out) that objects could be drag-and-dropped together to create applications in a very short space of time. That was part of the appeal. There is a wealth of source code on the net, so you can program by example. Altura (??) will be creating some sort of porting-technology like mac2win. Although Im a fanatical mac-advocater.. Im looking forward to using NextOS and developing for it. Apple will wave a magic-wand :-) for futher NextOS releases and progessively integrate more and more mac technology into it. Eventually you'll never know the difference ;-) regards.. -vlod no intended flame.. :-)
From: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ADB esc sequence? Date: 3 Jan 1997 17:34:15 GMT Organization: SPC Message-ID: <5ajfun$7nq@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> Hi there, What are the escape key combinations for ADB keayboards? ie: How do I access the NMI Mini-Monitor? How do I reset the hardware? Thanx -- Raymond Lutz, lutzray@9bit.qc.ca "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc From: alan@oes.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger) Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Message-ID: <alan-0301971009560001@129.212.7.98> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com (Usenet Administration) Organization: Amdahl References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> <alan-0201971308590001@129.212.7.98> <1997Jan3.081844.7799@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:03:41 GMT In article <1997Jan3.081844.7799@seer.demon.co.uk>, paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > In <alan-0201971308590001@129.212.7.98> Alan Bomberger wrote: > > In article <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk>, > > paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > > > Please remember to distinuguish between Mach (a kernel) and MachOS, a > version > > > of BSD 4.3 with the kernel replaced by Mach. I would have been much > happier > > > if NeXT never started this confusion by referring to their BSD Unix port > as > > > MachOS. > > > > Is not NEXT based on Mach 2.5 which is basically a BSD unix with > > Mach messages but was what defined Mach at the time? Mach 3 is a kernel > > on its own with a Unix personality as an "application". > > No.... NeXTSTEP is based on the Mach 2.5 kernel (more or less), plus parts of > BSD 4.3. The kernel is not the same as BSD Unix, by a factor of many > hundreds of programs. Mach 3.0, as you say, does it very differently, but it > is still a kernel and needs the support of a form of Unix to become a > complete OS. No? I have seen a Mach 2.5 kernel and it looked remarkably like a BSD kernel with added system calls for message interfaces to system functions. Except for a handful of changed system calls BSD binaries should run on Mach 2.5 kernels (alas, brk()/sbrk() was one of those changed and that eliminates statically linked programs with malloc()...) I admit this point is not worth arguing and I may have had my tunnel vision active at the time. Mach 2.5 looks like it was generated from the BSD source tree with small changes to many modules and significant replacements (eg. the API for memory management). I agree that Mach 3.0 needs something to become complete but would argue that there are many APIs that would qualify other than Unix. -- Alan Bomberger | (408)-992-2748 | alan@oes.amdahl.com Amdahl Corporation | Opinions are free, worth it, and not Amdahl's Hypertext Word Processor - www.webcom.com/thinker
From: cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 13:53:25 -0500 Organization: University of Maine System Message-ID: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd really like to see Apple put the Finder on the new OS, but expand it to absorb all the functionality of NEXTSTEP's File Viewer in browser view. The Finder could offer a new view option, say 'by Pane', which would change any Finder window into a sort of multi-paned browser-like window. It'd be a very logical evolutionary step for the Finder and would still preserve the old Finder metaphor, which may not be the most efficient way to manage files but is the most intuitive, especially for beginners and less sophisticated users. (Though a lot of more-sophisticated users are quite fond of it too <grin>.) --Chris -- Christopher Wood cwood41@maine.maine.edu D'ohh! <-- in the manner of Homer Simpson
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 3 Jan 1997 20:14:30 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > I'd really like to see Apple put the Finder on the new OS, but > expand it to absorb all the functionality of NEXTSTEP's File > Viewer in browser view. The Finder could offer a new view option, > say 'by Pane', which would change any Finder window into a sort > of multi-paned browser-like window. It'd be a very logical > evolutionary step for the Finder and would still preserve the > old Finder metaphor, which may not be the most efficient way to > manage files but is the most intuitive, especially for beginners > and less sophisticated users. (Though a lot of more-sophisticated > users are quite fond of it too <grin>.) I don't believe that's true. Again, in my experience, people have less trouble dealing with the WorkSpace Manager than with the finder. Mainly for two or three reasons... 1) FileViewer inherintly avoids window heck, 2) While avoiding window heck, it still provides constant visual feed back as to the current location via the path well, and 3) Having certian 'home/known' places like the users home account, and LocalApps makes finding things for the novice easier... Again, that's just my experience...Yours may be different, but I doubt it's a foregone conclusion that the either the finder or the fileViewer is more intuitive. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5ajp8g$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Date: 3 Jan 1997 21:24:09 GMT Control: cancel <5ajp8g$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5ajp8g$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Sender: tccs@sprintmail.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: CDRMEDIA Original Subject: CD-R Media for Sale
From: "Lite 101.1 FM (CFMO)" <mail@cfmo.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: R/E The NeXT Story Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:56:07 -0800 Organization: cfmo radio Message-ID: <32CD9C97.643F@cfmo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anybody can tell me what the name of the book published within the last year or so r/e the story of the NeXT Corporation, it would be greatly appreciated. Pls post or reply to mail@cfmo.com. Many thanks. C. Dubois
From: tim.ramberg@nojunk.mail [Timothy M. Ramberg] Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 3 Jan 1997 21:59:37 GMT Organization: Tektronix, Inc Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ajvg9$4k5@bvadm.tek.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> <32CC28FB.15FB@aw.sgi.com> <5ahijv$93g@news.be.com> In <5ahijv$93g@news.be.com>, dbg@be.com (Dominic Giampaolo) writes: >> There was a long standing rumor years ago that NeXT had developed a new >> multi-processor PPC machine just before dropping the hardware side of >> their business. If that were true, they must have had some solution the >> symmetric multi-processing problem. >> >It's not just a rumor, it is true. A friend of mine worked on the >kernel for it. He said it was up for several months before the >project got canceled. > >--dominic I seem to remember that Canon took over the Next hardware group which may have then got split off as Fire Power systems. Is Fire Power still in business? I know they did come out with PREP compatible SMP PowerPC systems. ==================================================== Timothy M. Ramberg Not a member of the Software Smoke and Mirrors funny sig society. Tektronix, Inc. ====================================================
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <5ahmgp$73c@news3.texas.net> Control: cancel <5ahmgp$73c@news3.texas.net> Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:29:28 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ak188$555@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: Mark Sitkowski <marks@iaccess.COM.AU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU> Control: cancel <32CCF387.446B9B3D@iaccess.COM.AU> Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:29:40 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ak18k$556@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: brataas@sn.no (John Brataas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <5aitlp$jks@elle.eunet.no> Control: cancel <5aitlp$jks@elle.eunet.no> Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:29:46 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ak18q$557@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: m555@ix.netcom.com (Mark Landin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <5aj56v$pur@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <5aj56v$pur@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:29:55 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ak193$559@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: 3 Jan 1997 23:01:59 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5ak357$t8t@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> Cc: ccintron@gte.net In <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> "Cesár M. Cintron" wrote: > - The very old, very crummy Unix part of Next's OS is far worse than > even the freeware Linux (I know, because I used Linux for several years, > as did my friend). > I'm sure many BSD advocates would disagree with you here. They stick to BSD 4.4 instead of linux because they view linux as a "very crummy unix"-clone. NeXT's OS isn't a very old very crummy unix.. its a somewhat old unix. It's BSD 4.3 with 4.4 extensions. The kernel is also somewhat old, being Mach 2.5 with extensions. They stuck with Mach 2.5 because they don' t want to take the peformance hit of a microkernel..but they have incorporated several dynamic features you'd associate with microkernels. > - The basic foundation of NextStep (which was ported to Windows) is a > language called "Objective C". It's not C, or C++, but a different > variation on them. Next didn't even have an Objective C compiler; they > depended on the freeware GNU Objective C compiler! > First of all, "the foundation of Nextstep" is a misleading term. The kernel and OS are written in C and assembler, just like any other BSD + Mach combination platform (there are others). It's only the GUI and its environments that are written in Objective C. Second, you must HATE BMW and the Sega Saturn .. they use GCC for their embedded development environments. There are several companies like this. The fact that it's freeware doesn't make it unclean. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: access to extended DOS partitions in NS/Intel Date: 3 Jan 1997 23:12:39 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I have 3 partitions on the HD of my NS/Intel machine: DOS/Win95, NS, and a 3rd partition what was previous Linux, but I just reformetted to be an extended DOS partition. How do I get the new extended DOS drive to be accessible in NS (e.g., Workspace, unix command line, ...) ? Or is this not possible even though NS is capable of reading the file system? That would seem silly since NS's fdisk understands that the partition is there. -Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Pfleger kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu http://www.stanford.edu/~kpfleger/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: simpson@post.drexel.edu (Homer Simpson) Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Message-ID: <simpson-ya023680000301971910570001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 19:10:57 -0500 References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com> Organization: Drexel University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > Lawson English wrote: > > No, it's because the QD apps were using non-documented features of QD > > printing. MS is well known for this. > > Jonathan W. Hendry wrote >If GX replaces Quickdraw, then it is the responsibility of GX >to match the behavior of QuickDraw. Blaming pre-existing applications >for incompatabilities in new software is pretty lame. >It's not like Apple doesn't have the source to QuickDraw. Ummm excuse me but if someone tells you "don't touch that or you'll get burned" and you do touch it and you did get burned whose fault is it?
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 19:35:26 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32CDA5CE.317C@exnext.com> References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com> <simpson-ya023680000301971910570001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Homer Simpson wrote: > > In article <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > > > Lawson English wrote: > > > No, it's because the QD apps were using non-documented features of QD > > > printing. MS is well known for this. > > > > > Jonathan W. Hendry wrote > >If GX replaces Quickdraw, then it is the responsibility of GX > >to match the behavior of QuickDraw. Blaming pre-existing applications > >for incompatabilities in new software is pretty lame. > > >It's not like Apple doesn't have the source to QuickDraw. > > Ummm excuse me but if someone tells you "don't touch that or you'll get > burned" and you do touch it and you did get burned whose fault is it? If you're the OS vendor, and you're writing something that you want users to install, and software developers to use, it's generally a good idea to make sure your new gadget works with the most popular software available. Especially in essential functions like printing. Otherwise, your new gadget doesn't get used. This is exactly the situation that GX is in. Blaming vendors who break GX might be cathartic, but it doesn't make GX any more popular. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 21:29:04 -0500 Organization: University of Maine System Message-ID: <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > I don't believe that's true. Again, in my experience, people have > less trouble dealing with the WorkSpace Manager than with the finder. > Mainly for two or three reasons... 1) FileViewer inherintly avoids > window heck, 2) While avoiding window heck, it still provides > constant visual feed back as to the current location via the path > well, and 3) Having certian 'home/known' places like the users home > account, and LocalApps makes finding things for the novice easier... > Again, that's just my experience...Yours may be different, but I > doubt it's a foregone conclusion that the either the finder or the > fileViewer is more intuitive. I still think that the Finder maintains the illusion of direct manipulation better. Myself, I've used a browser before (Greg's Browser), and I liked it well enough, but I could never shake the feeling that the thing was putting up a kind of glass wall between me and the disk and that I wasn't really getting at the files themselves but just manipulating little facsimiles of them. Of course everyone's different and my experience isn't everyone else's, but I suspect that many folks do find the Finder's direct manipulation more intuitive. Mind you, when I say that I want the Finder to be in the new OS, I'm not visualizing a system 7 (or even 8) desktop with a menu bar at the top and a stip of icons down the right. I like NEXTSTEP's desktop with the floating menu strips and the dock. But I really would like to be able to deal with files with the Finder metaphor, and I'm convinced that all the functionality of the current NEXTSTEP File Veiwer could be rolled into this new Finder. --Chris -- Christopher Wood cwood41@maine.maine.edu D'ohh! <-- in the manner of Homer Simpson
From: bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FS:NeXT Cube Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:25:29 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <5akij9$jl7@rac10.wam.umd.edu> Newsgroups: dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,um.forsale,balt.forsale Subject: NeXT Cube forsale Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Keywords: Cc: I have one NeXT Cube forsale. 16MB RAM 660MB Hard Drive 230Magnetic Optical drive (I believe, don't know if it works though) 17" megapixel monitor, I don't know what they sold it as, the standard greyscale monitor Keyboard and mouse Currently has the OS loaded and running, though I don't have the disks SCSI,Ethernet,etc on the back of course I also have the NeXT laser printer that goes with this. 400DPI. The print output is great with the toner I tested in it, but it needs a new one. And the paper loading is slightly stiff, just needs a little work, but works I am asking $1000, but I am definitely open to offers. bbq
From: woody@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 22:25:06 -0800 Organization: In Phase Consulting Message-ID: <woody-0301972225060001@192.0.2.1> References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com> <simpson-ya023680000301971910570001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> <32CDA5CE.317C@exnext.com> In article <32CDA5CE.317C@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > If you're the OS vendor, and you're writing something that you want > users to install, and software developers to use, it's generally > a good idea to make sure your new gadget works with the most popular > software available. Especially in essential functions like > printing. Otherwise, your new gadget doesn't get used. *Giggle* Guess you haven't had to deal with the Great White Software Vender in the NorthWest. I remember when application heap zones were allocated from the top of memory downwards. The reason for this was to attempt to leave the bottom 1 megabyte free--reserved for Microsoft applications. Now why would Apple do this? Because you see, Microsoft came up with this rather lame P-code interpreter for writing their applications, which created a 'virtual 8086' environment for their Windows applications that were ported to the Macintosh. And you see, their p-code interpreter had this bug: it was using segement/offset addressing internally, and of course 16-bit segments with 16-bit offsets and a 16-byte page size only allows you to address the first one megabyte of memory... So when the Mac Multifinder widget would encounter a Microsoft product, it would load it into the first megabyte of memory... Microsoft is infamous for this kind of kludery. I guess if NeXT was a target platform for their developers, Microsoft is the type of company which would require special drivers to be recompiled into the Mach microkernel in order to allow the display postscript to interpret Windows metafiles. (Yeah, I know this wouldn't *normally* be the place to do this. But you don't know Microsoft!) Now should we blame NeXT for releasing a newer version of the Mach microkernel, because they didn't make it backwards compatable with the Microsoft WMF hack? "If you're the OS vendor, and you're writing something that you want users to install, and software developers to use, it's generally a good idea to make sure your new gadget works with the most popular software available." Which, by your logic, would require NeXT to make OpenStep run-time compatable with Microsoft Windows. Oh, wait a minute! "Otherwise, your new gadget doesn't get used." Eight hundred bazillion Windows 3.1 users can't be wrong... :-) - Bill (Who by the way dislikes software venders who refuse to play by the rules precisely because it yanks control of an operating system from the OS vender to the hackers who can't be bothered to read the f-cking manual....) -- William Edward Woody - In Phase Consulting - woody@alumni.caltech.edu http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 4 Jan 1997 07:27:07 GMT Organization: Kuentos Message-ID: <5al0ob$gps@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <x6681hc1b2.fsf@beavis.smallworks.com> <1997Jan2.192555.5024@seer.demon.co.uk> <32CC28FB.15FB@aw.sgi.com> <5ahijv$93g@news.be.com> <5ajvg9$4k5@bvadm.tek.com> In <5ajvg9$4k5@bvadm.tek.com>, tim.ramberg@nojunk.mail [Timothy M. Ramberg] writes: >In <5ahijv$93g@news.be.com>, dbg@be.com (Dominic Giampaolo) writes: >>> There was a long standing rumor years ago that NeXT had developed a new >>> multi-processor PPC machine just before dropping the hardware side of >>> their business. If that were true, they must have had some solution the >>> symmetric multi-processing problem. >>> >>It's not just a rumor, it is true. A friend of mine worked on the >>kernel for it. He said it was up for several months before the >>project got canceled. >> >>--dominic > >I seem to remember that Canon took over the Next hardware group >which may have then got split off as Fire Power systems. > >Is Fire Power still in business? I know they did come out with >PREP compatible SMP PowerPC systems. > I think they got bought out by Motorola, and the designs become part of the PowerStack series. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 20:56:57 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972056570001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr> <ldo-0101970604560001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C8E90A.5FD6@trilithon.com> In article <32C8E90A.5FD6@trilithon.com>, henry@trilithon.com wrote: >Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > > * I seem to recall a mention on comp.lang.postscript > * that there was a Display PostScript limitation on > * creating bitmaps larger than 3072 by 3072 pixels. > * This was deliberate, to prevent you from using Display > * PostScript as an excuse to avoid buying an overpriced > * PostScript printer. >Bollocks. > >There were/are limitations on the *resolution*, and thus >the total size of the bitmap image, which were forced >upon Next/Adobe by Adobe's high-end [imagesetter] licensees >like Linotype-Hell and others. The limitations are not >inherent in the Display PostScript System. So is it possible to buy a Display PostScript system without those restrictions? I mean, if they're inherent in the licensing for Display PostScript, that means they're inherent in Display PostScript, and there's no escaping that, right? For more info about QuickDraw GX, a next-generation, un-crippled graphics/printing architecture, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:38:06 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972138060001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> In article <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com>, mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) wrote: >Has QuickDraw GX been implemented on any platforms other than the >MacIntosh? I believe the graphics engine has been shown running under Windows NT. But the graphics/printing integration is going to remain uniquely Mac.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:42:10 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> In article <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: >> In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >> )Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running >> full speed, )on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using >> QuckdrawGX back then, )in June of 1994. The clips weren't being >> displayed flip-book style on )a laser printer, either. > >> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these >> days. Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) >> layers, clipping them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture >> just isn't up to that. GX handles it with ease and speed. > >This was done in 1988 with DPS... NeXT was using .movie files >(i.e. PS) to show animation with, guess what, over-laid transparent >layers, text and arbitrary shapes, etc.... Imagine that, all on >an 68030. Yes, but could you print the images on a PostScript printer? >-) By the way, as recently as 1995, one of the GX engineers told me he kept a Mac IIcx and SE/30 specifically for making sure that GX ran acceptably on such low-end hardware. These were machines with 8MB of RAM, and a 68030 running at 16MHz--see <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/gx/tom/other.html>. I don't think Display PostScript was ever capable of running on such hardware. :-)
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:47:20 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972147210001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> In article <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > >> GX was designed from the **beginning** to produce excellent >> Postscript output for devices that needed it. In fact if you >> consider transparency GX is actually better at it than DPS. Why? >> DPS supports transparency but PS Level II does not, that means >> that if you're DPS code uses transparency on screen *you* will >> have to do the segmentation necessary to get proper output. GX >> does it for you. > >Offhand I think this is one of those issues that Apple (or Adobe) >should fix in DPS. It really is a shame that it's so easy to do >transparency when writing to the screen, and then you suddenly >have a few extra steps to go thru for that transparency info to >be correctly printed. Consider how you would "fix" it: you would need to translate the results of the overlapping of non-opaque shapes to the opaque PostScript model. This means calculating all the areas of overlaps, and calculating the results of combining the colours and transfer modes in each overlapping region, then replacing each region with an opaque piece of the resultant colour. Funnily enough, QuickDraw GX already provides functions that let you do all these things....
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 00:56:47 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-0401970056470001@ip063.mu2.nwlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000201970440470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0201971924090001@ip005.mu3.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000301970303090001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000301970303090001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > )2. Mach 3.0 is already running on most PowerMacs via the MkLinux project > > *Barely* running is more like it. They still don't support a couple of > million Performa users out there, 8500 users like myself can't use it > because of quirks with the video drivers... Again Nukernel gets around > these, plus all current drivers for PCI boards will work unchanged under Oh really? So you are running NuKernel right now? Don't get me wrong, if NuKernel is the best thing to use, by all means do so. But I'm not holding my breath. Mach is what provides the BSD personality that NextStep is based on. And your assertion that QTML et al already running on NuKernel would make ports to the new OS easier is ill founded. -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:50:01 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972150020001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> <AEEDBAF2-73C70@198.68.42.169> In article <AEEDBAF2-73C70@198.68.42.169>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: >>> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. >>> Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping >>> them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. >GX >>> handles it with ease and speed. >> >>Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? > >I don't know about speed. It's part of the API to switch between color >spaces automatically with the transfer modes: source/destination color >spaces are contained within the ink object that specifies the transfer >type; specialized matrices for handling specialized tasks dealing with >transfer types and conversions between color spaces are also part of ink >objects. For a technical description of the process and the options available, see <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/gx/transfermodes.html>. There's also a Java applet there so you can get a small taste of what's it like to use this interactively. And for a user-oriented introduction to the next-generation graphics and printing features of QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:58:34 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> In article <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu>, howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) wrote: >These people who are crusading for GX are whistling past the graveyard. Trouble is, GX solves a great number of real problems that both Mac users and developers have been moaning about for years. It offers a powerful, customizable next-generation architecture that the Mac desperately needs. For instance, it seems hardly a week goes by without somebody asking, on some newsgroup I frequent, how they can print just the even or odd pages from a document, so they can get double-sided output on a single-sided printer. This is the kind of feature that logically belongs in-between the printer driver and the application, since it is useful across different printer drivers and across different applications. GX provides the concept of "printing extensions" that allow third-party add-ons to supply this sort of feature in a clean, well-behaved way. Like my Duplex Helper <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/sw/index.html#DuplexHelper> does. For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:10:08 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972210080001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: >Now [GX] does have a good printing model also, >but its functionality is less important to users than that of the graphics >engine. I'd like to disagree with Eric here. GX printing is the one thing that gives users immediate benefits out of the box. Actually, the benefits come from the whole graphics/printing integration, since a lot of the neat printing features would simply not be possible if it weren't for the power of the underlying graphics engine (eg watermarks that work on both PostScript and non-PostScript printers). For a hint of what else might be possible, have a read of my proposal for attaching URL tags to GX shapes <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/gx/URLTags.html>. Imagine being able to attach "hot links" to graphics, pasting them into existing GX-unaware applications (ClarisWorks, Microsoft Word, whatever), printing the results through a GX printer driver that generates Acrobat PDF, HTML or some other cross-platform format, and--voila! Custom-formatted Web pages, the component-software way! >)> Just using looking at the redraw speed of Illustrator vs. Lightning Draw. >)> (A version 1.0.x product, unlike Illustrator which is at version 6.0) >) >)this is pure FUD. Illustrator has a lot more features than LD. > > Actually you know one would think that at first, but GX gives LD some >incredible flexibility. I own both and LD lets me get a lot of the effects >I want sooner and with less work. As far as features go Illustrator can not >touch LD GX in terms of color handling or graphics redraw speed. Text >handling is somewhat close. Before anybody else tries to claim that Illustrator is better than Lightning Draw, spend some time reading the description of how ink effects work at <http://www.larisoftware.com/Support/Inks.html>. And if you're an Illustrator user, you can weep afterwards... >If Adobe has some wickedly fast and very portable DPS engine why >aren't they using it in their Postscript-based Mac apps? I wonder about this too. I think one of the biggest arguments against Display PostScript is that Adobe themselves are reluctant to support it...
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:16:47 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> In article <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com>, marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: >In article <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, >rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: >> >> No it's not. If you use one of DPS' calls that isn't in Postscript, then >> it won't print. The question is will the DPS3 engine support transparency >> while printing to PSLevel2 printers. > >You can't have it both ways. DPS and GX both have features not found in PS >level 2. No, the extra features won't print from DPS, neither will they >from GX. They do from GX. That's the beauty of GX--that it includes a next-generation printing architecture that handles the headaches of generating good PostScript to give a faithful WYSIWYG representation of your graphics, taking care of things like Level 2 and Level 1 compatibility, splitting of complex paths, font subsetting, managing printer memory and so on, so you don't have to! >The point is, do you work in one imaging model and output to >another, or work and output in the same imaging model? The trouble with PostScript is, it's not just the imaging model, it's all the programming-language baggage that goes with it. Consider what happens when someone gives you a Level 2 PostScript file, but all you've got is a Level 1 PostScript printer to print it on. Identical imaging model, right? But can you print it? Not a hope. That's why QuickDraw GX lets you take a step backwards from all this nonsense, so you can create high-quality graphics without having to worry about the limitations of PostScript. For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:29:07 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0401972229070001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32CA02CD.FCB@exnext.com> <AEF00E65-1809E@198.68.42.207> <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com> In article <32CAC472.C4A@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >Lawson English wrote: >> >> Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@exnext.com> said: >> >> >> Come on, John. You know this is because of poor support for GX by apps, >> >> not because of GX itself. >> > >> >If GX replaces QuickDraw, then it's a bug in GX. >> > >> >> No, it's because the QD apps were using non-documented features of QD >> printing. MS is well known for this. > >If GX replaces Quickdraw, then it is the responsibility of GX >to match the behavior of QuickDraw. Blaming pre-existing applications >for incompatabilities in new software is pretty lame. Consider applications that were generating their own PostScript code to achieve effects that the old QuickDraw graphics engine were incapable of doing (yes, there were lots of them :-)). In particular, consider special text effects. To do these, you need to make sure the font you're using is loaded into the printer as part of the print job. How did you ask the old QuickDraw printing system to load a font for you? There was no API call for it--instead, you used the standard QuickDraw text calls to print a single character from that font, someplace where it wouldn't appear on the page (for this reason, the space character was a common choice). Once you'd done this, you could assume that the entire font was loaded and available for your custom PostScript code to use. Trouble is, this is relying on some pretty dumb behaviour of the old QuickDraw Printing Manager. Loading an entire font just to print one character is rather inefficient, after all. Enter the all-new QuickDraw GX printing architecture, and this "space hack" no longer works, because GX is much cleverer in how it manages fonts and printer memory. On the other hand, GX provides explicit API calls that you can use to include fonts in a PostScript print job, reencode them, subset them, whatever--all under your control, without relying on undocumented behaviour of the driver-generated PostScript code or other such nonsense. For GX to faithfully reproduce all the bugs and other stupidities of the old QuickDraw Printing Manager would mean losing a lot of the point of having a next-generation printing architecture. For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 4 Jan 1997 09:47:28 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > The trouble with PostScript is, it's not just the imaging model, > it's all the programming-language baggage that goes with it. > Consider what happens when someone gives you a Level 2 PostScript > file, but all you've got is a Level 1 PostScript printer to print > it on. Identical imaging model, right? But can you print it? Not > a hope. Some think that's it strength. Furthermore... I've had no problems printing from DPS Level 2 to a level 1 printer. It just works. Also, the relatively simple composting required to get transparencies to print have already been done in several apps, and would be relatively easy to implement system wide... > That's why QuickDraw GX lets you take a step backwards from all > this nonsense, so you can create high-quality graphics without > having to worry about the limitations of PostScript. Sill limitations like actually printing w/o problems... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: marcel@spock.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 4 Jan 1997 11:01:04 GMT Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ald9g$4g0$1@unlisys.unlisys.net> References: <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence Dliveiro) writes: > By the way, as recently as 1995, one of the GX engineers told me he kept a > Mac IIcx and SE/30 specifically for making sure that GX ran acceptably on > such low-end hardware. These were machines with 8MB of RAM, and a 68030 > running at 16MHz--see <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/gx/tom/other.html>. > > I don't think Display PostScript was ever capable of running on such > hardware. :-) Well darn, you really got us there, the first cubes had an 030 running at 25MHz. Marcel
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: access to extended DOS partitions in NS/Intel Date: 4 Jan 1997 13:18:30 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5allb6$5in@news.next.com> References: <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> In article <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) writes: > I have 3 partitions on the HD of my NS/Intel machine: DOS/Win95, NS, and a > 3rd partition what was previous Linux, but I just reformetted to be an > extended DOS partition. How do I get the new extended DOS drive to be > accessible in NS (e.g., Workspace, unix command line, ...) ? > Or is this not possible even though NS is capable of reading the file > system? That would seem silly since NS's fdisk understands that the > partition is there. No, it's not possible. fdisk understands the partition table, but the DOS file system itself only understands primary partitions, not extended/logical partitions. A big hole, I agree, but that's what we've currently got. joe
From: guenther@golem.golem.franken.de (Guenther Fuerthaller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 4 Jan 1997 13:32:28 GMT Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. Message-ID: <5alm5c$kof@chico.franken.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <ldo-0401972147210001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: >In article <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn ><gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > >>rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: >> >>> GX was designed from the **beginning** to produce excellent >>> Postscript output for devices that needed it. In fact if you >>> consider transparency GX is actually better at it than DPS. Why? >>> DPS supports transparency but PS Level II does not, that means >>> that if you're DPS code uses transparency on screen *you* will >>> have to do the segmentation necessary to get proper output. GX >>> does it for you. >> >>Offhand I think this is one of those issues that Apple (or Adobe) >>should fix in DPS. It really is a shame that it's so easy to do >>transparency when writing to the screen, and then you suddenly >>have a few extra steps to go thru for that transparency info to >>be correctly printed. > >Consider how you would "fix" it: you would need to translate the results >of the overlapping of non-opaque shapes to the opaque PostScript model. >This means calculating all the areas of overlaps, and calculating the >results of combining the colours and transfer modes in each overlapping >region, then replacing each region with an opaque piece of the resultant >colour. > >Funnily enough, QuickDraw GX already provides functions that let you do >all these things.... Unfortunately this algorithm has a general worst case complexity of pow(2,N), where N is the number of painting primitives on the page. >The trouble with PostScript is, it's not just the imaging model, it's all the >programming-language baggage that goes with it. Consider what happens when >someone gives you a Level 2 PostScript file, but all you've got is a Level 1 >PostScript printer to print it on. Identical imaging model, right? But can you >print it? Not a hope. >That's why QuickDraw GX lets you take a step backwards from all this nonsense, >so you can create high-quality graphics without having to worry about the >limitations of PostScript. I can't take people serious that first do not respect the advantages of having a programming language inside the output device and that second believe that anything that works fine on their desktop at 72 dpi and with their desktop printer at a few hundreds dpi still works the same way at 3000 dpi and more (that's what the PostScript imaging model is designed for). And please do not reply now that therefore PostScript should stay in its printer.
From: tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 08:35:51 -0800 Organization: ^self -> (CompSci/MolBiol) Message-ID: <tgritton-ya023180000401970835510001@news.sprynet.com> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: >> I'd really like to see Apple put the Finder on the new OS, but >> expand it to absorb all the functionality of NEXTSTEP's File >> Viewer in browser view. PopupFolder already proviedes File Viewer functionality. > >I don't believe that's true. Again, in my experience, people have >less trouble dealing with the WorkSpace Manager than with the finder. >Mainly for two or three reasons... 1) FileViewer inherintly avoids >window heck, 2) While avoiding window heck, it still provides >constant visual feed back as to the current location via the path >well, and 3) Having certian 'home/known' places like the users home >account, and LocalApps makes finding things for the novice easier... Again see PopupFolder, takes up less window realestate than File Viewer with no 'window heck'. Combined with the ability to see 'up' the directory path by pressing on the Finder window title ( Now utilities option I believe) and drilling 'down' via PopupFolder gives you better functionality now on the Mac. File Viewer will be a step backwards. -- -- Terry Gritton "Glycobiology - the new frontier of biosemiotics" tgritton@sprynet.com
From: elitman@viaduct.com (Eric Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: R/E The NeXT Story Date: 4 Jan 1997 18:10:00 GMT Organization: Viaduct Technologies, Inc. Message-ID: <5am6do$h3b@news3.digex.net> References: <32CD9C97.643F@cfmo.com> Lite 101.1 FM (CFMO) (mail@cfmo.com) wrote: # If anybody can tell me what the name of the book published within the # last year or so r/e the story of the NeXT Corporation, it would be # greatly appreciated. "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing", I think. </eal>
From: chrisf@chesapeake.net (CF Publishing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: We Create Web Pages! Date: 4 Jan 1997 18:30:51 GMT Organization: CF Publishing Message-ID: <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Do you or your company want to be seen by millions of people via the Internet but not have the ability to accomplish this by yourself? A lot of people have this yearn, but do not have the means of achieving this. The solution to this problem is simple. I will publish your web page for you, and put it up on a web server of your choice. There, with proper advertising, it can be seen by millions! Your page will be complete with graphics, frames, and the text that you want. All you need to do is send me the ideas you have for your page, any text you would like to see there, and I will create it for a minimal fee. This is a great way of letting your friends and family worldwide keep in touch with you, or let your business be seen! Many businesses have pamphlets or brochures that they create to keep their customers informed. With your own web page, we can publish your pamphlets or brochures online so your customers can view them with ease. We can even set up forms to allow them to mail in their orders securely! We guarantee that our pages that we create will please you, and if they do not, there is no charge to you. Our guarantee can not be beat. We will publish your pages for you, and them show them to you for your approval. You may then suggest any changes that you wish to be made. If these changes do not make you absolutely happy, you will not be billed for our services. We do not want our customers to be unhappy with any of our services, so we will continue to make changes to keep the pages we create closest to the pages you originally showed us. Our prices for web publishing can not be beat. We will beat any other written estimate you may have. If you are interested in any of our services, simple email us at chrisf@chesapeake.net, or call us at (301) 855-9902. Thank you for your interest in our services.
From: jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 23:46:49 -0400 Organization: Rogers Communications Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz?
From: Bryan Wilson <wil-design@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re:NS 3.3 AppleTalk options !appear Preferences app Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:24:46 +0000 Organization: Wil-Design Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32CE763E.79DA@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am running NeXTStep 3.3 on a Intel machine. I am trying to connect to an AppleTalk network. The machine connects fine to a NetWare 4 network. I have perused all available docs at NeXTanswers and it mentions the Apple icon that appears in the window brought up by the Preferences application ( display, mouse settings, etc. ). The problem is that the Apple icon does not appear at all. NeXT's docs state that the AppleTalk client is included with NS 3.3. Is there a special driver or installation option that need tobe loaded / selected in order to communicate with AppleTalk devices? I am using a Intel EtherExpress 16 network card and NS 3.3's driver for it. I have not been able to try another network card ( or another mfr's driver either ) yet... Please e-mail me at wldesign@jax.jaxnet.com if you have been successful in connecting NeXTStep to AppleTalk machines / printers via EtherNet. I will post a solution when it has been found to usenet. Thanks! Bryan wldesign@jax.janet.com
From: Bryan Wilson <wil-design@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: NS 3.3 AppleTalk options !appear Preferences app Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:49:52 +0000 Organization: Wil-Design Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32CE7C20.45BA@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am running NeXTStep 3.3 on a Intel machine. I am trying to connect to an AppleTalk network. The machine connects fine to a NetWare 4 network. I have perused all available docs at NeXTanswers and it mentions the Apple icon that appears in the window brought up by the Preferences application ( display, mouse settings, etc. ). The problem is that the Apple icon does not appear at all. NeXT's docs state that the AppleTalk client is included with NS 3.3. Is there a special driver or installation option that need tobe loaded / selected in order to communicate with AppleTalk devices? I am using a Intel EtherExpress 16 network card and NS 3.3's driver for it. I have not been able to try another network card ( or another mfr's driver either ) yet... Please e-mail me at wldesign@jax.jaxnet.com if you have been successful in connecting NeXTStep to AppleTalk machines / printers via EtherNet. I will post a solution when it has been found to usenet. Thanks! Bryan wldesign@jax.janet.com
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 4 Jan 1997 20:57:40 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5amg84$i96@news3.digex.net> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <tgritton-ya023180000401970835510001@news.sprynet.com> tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) wrote: > In article <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net > wrote: > >I don't believe that's true. Again, in my experience, people > >have less trouble dealing with the WorkSpace Manager than with > >the finder. Mainly for two or three reasons... 1) FileViewer > >inherintly avoids window heck, 2) While avoiding window heck, > >it still provides constant visual feed back as to the current > >location via the path well, and 3) Having certian 'home/known' > >places like the users home account, and LocalApps makes finding > >things for the novice easier... > Again see PopupFolder, takes up less window realestate than File > Viewer with no 'window heck'. Combined with the ability to see > 'up' the directory path by pressing on the Finder window title > ( Now utilities option I believe) and drilling 'down' via > PopupFolder gives you better functionality now on the Mac. File > Viewer will be a step backwards. Again, in practice they are very different. The path well gives CONSTANT visual feedback. Plus the process is more fluid, no option or cmd keys needed. Furthermore, the PathWell is more self explanatory that hitting a window title with the cmnd key and getting a list. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: mlbizer@mail.utexas.eduu (Marc Bizer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:47:47 +0100 Organization: University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: >I don't think Display PostScript was ever capable of running on such >hardware. :-) Dear Lawrence, Well, it did run fine on a 25 MHz '030, since that was the original NeXT processor. --Marc Bizer
From: Isaac <isaac@lab.housing.fsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: frivolous monitor question Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:59:30 -0500 Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961231035613.31623A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> References: <jak-ya023680003012961534300001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <jak-ya023680003012961534300001@news.asu.edu> On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, John Kestner wrote: > > Do any of the black NeXT color monitors have the same cool stand the mono > monitors do? Do all the mono monitors have that stand? (I'm referring to > the original stand.) I presume you mean the cool rolling stand. The answer is no. This is because the colour screens were all manufactured by other companies for NeXT. Only the MegaPixel screens were made in-house. Also, later MegaPixels (model N4000B) have a more streamlined tilting base that still looks pretty cool (but does not have the ribs or rubber rollers). -Isaac
From: REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:57:20 -0500 Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Message-ID: <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-ya02408000R0401971557200001@news.uth.tmc.edu> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com>, wrf3@mindspring.com (Bob Felts) wrote: > Does anybody besides me think that "Apple's marketing prowess" is > an oxymoron? I think it's a joke. -- David Gutierrez drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:58:18 -0500 Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Message-ID: <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-ya02408000R0401971558180001@news.uth.tmc.edu> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> <5abgns$fdl@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> <guyo-3112962046060001@dyn114.island.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <guyo-3112962046060001@dyn114.island.net>, guyo@island.net (Guy René Ouellette) wrote: > Let's hope that the marketing of the merged Apple/NeXT is better than the > marketing of either one! Considering that Next's marketing has had even less effect than Apple's, I don't think Next is going to help much. -- David Gutierrez drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: news@cmc.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: cmsg cancel <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Date: 4 Jan 1997 22:26:35 GMT Control: cancel <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Sender: chrisf@chesapeake.net (CF Publishing) Spam cancelled by news@cmc.net
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 4 Jan 1997 21:59:24 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > I like NEXTSTEP's desktop with the floating > menu strips and the dock. But I really would like to be able to deal with > files with the Finder metaphor Could you shortly explain to NEXTSTEP users what this special "Finder metaphor" is about? I've alway thought it is what NEXTSTEP delivers in the "Icon view" setting of WorkspaceManager, so I don't understand what this discussion is all about. (Unfortunately, there's no "Introduction to Apple for NEXTSTEP users" floating around on the net ;-) ) Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:04:11 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> In article <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > > I like NEXTSTEP's desktop with the floating > > menu strips and the dock. But I really would like to be able to deal with > > files with the Finder metaphor > > Could you shortly explain to NEXTSTEP users what this special "Finder > metaphor" is about? I've alway thought it is what NEXTSTEP delivers in the > "Icon view" setting of WorkspaceManager, so I don't understand what this > discussion is all about. (Unfortunately, there's no "Introduction to Apple > for NEXTSTEP users" floating around on the net ;-) ) for the most part, yes. But some things are missing from that - some more important than others. For instance - the desktop. Also, the things that can be put on the desktop (besides files and folders). Things like desktop printers. Now I'm not saying that the desktop metaphor is crucial to the success of the new platform, but it would be strange not having it. (Not to mention the advocacy FUD it would generate from the W95 people that now have it - after what, 10 years?) Some NeXTers mention the never-released "tabbed shelf". From what I've seen it would do the trick - with one minor change, allow it to optionally NOT organize everything to a grid. The tabs allow even more organizational space in which to stick stuff like printers, files, etc. Copland had tabbed windows, i.e. any Finder window could be turned into a tabbed drawer at the bottom of the screen. The results of a search could be saved as a window - which would automatically update as the file system changed. For instance a search of apps which can open JPEGs could then be saved as a tabbed drawer. If the user downloads JPEGView its icon is automatically added to the drawer. THIS I would like to see in the "tabbed shelf" (someday). In the future, I would like to see the Workspace API made available so that drop-in views could be created that would supplement the browser, icon view, and list view that Workspace already has. The summer OS release, Tempo, is supposed to allow this by using OpenDoc as the machanism. -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: mattj@invisix.com Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Message-ID: <147cd$122425.32d@news.goldengate.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 00:36:37 GMT References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> wrote: >If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > You can overclock a Pentium CPU on certain motherboards for faster MHz speeds. -- MATT | mailto:mattj@invisix.com NeXTMail Ok jurcich | http://www.invisix.com Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 24MB, 250MB, NEC XP21, NEXTSTEP 3.2
From: mpappas@mpd.gulf.net (Mark Pappas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTstation & Printers Date: 5 Jan 1997 00:50:28 GMT Organization: The Gulf Coast Internet Company Message-ID: <5amtsk$a5v@cobia.gulf.net> I have a Apple Personal Laserwriter LS (el cheap-o). I want to hook it up to my NeXTstation, Does anyone know if there are any drivers for this printer. Its a non post-script laserwriter. -- Thanks Mark Pappas ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Pappas Development E-Mail: mpd@gulf.net Consultant http://www.gulf.net/~mpd/ 3915 Lynn Ora Dr. Phone: (904) 476-3773 Pensacola, FL 32504 Specializing in Macintosh Databases & NMI's Microbrew
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: We Create Web Pages! Date: 4 Jan 1997 14:43:17 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.852417619@idiom.com> References: <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> chrisf@chesapeake.net (CF Publishing) writes: [most of the spammer's ad deleted] >estimate you may have. If you are interested in any of our services, simple >email us at chrisf@chesapeake.net, or call us at (301) 855-9902. Guys, this is a rare chance to slam a spammer but good. I just tried the number above, and it's live. It appears to be his home number. Call him up, and tell him why it's wrong to spam usenet newsgroups!!! >Thank you for your interest in our services. Yeah, good luck getting a clue, dipshit. -jcr
From: elisha@dot.net.au (Luci Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 12:32:49 +1100 Organization: Elisha, Inc Distribution: inet Message-ID: <elisha-ya023180000501971232490001@news.dot.net.au> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <147cd$122425.32d@news.goldengate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <147cd$122425.32d@news.goldengate.net>, mattj@invisix.com wrote: > jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> wrote: > >If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > > > You can overclock a Pentium CPU on certain motherboards for faster MHz > speeds. > Ditto PowerPC. (Interesting that powerpc.advocacy isn't on the header??) ********************************************************************* Luci Ellis elisha@dot.net.au "Who needs horror movies when we have Microsoft"? -- Christine Comaford, PC Week, 27/9/95
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 20:25:26 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32CF1116.231DE0C5@screaming.org> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the wrote: > you are an idiot that does not know JACK. You surely don't know > processors. The PowerPC chip is a generartion ahead of the pentium. Who gives a rat's ass? With platform-independent APIs, hardware becomes a bang-for-the-buck issue. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: "Cesár M. Cintron" <ccintron@gte.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:35:30 +0000 Organization: Merging Point Design Message-ID: <32CEDB2E.5D56@gte.net> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> <5ak357$t8t@majipoor.cygnus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gee's guy's... cut me some slack here... if you read my original post you would have understood a few things 1) I am a Macintosh User 2) I have never touched a machine running NextStep 3) The information I posted is what a friend sent me 4) I stated that my friend's knowledge is taken from his expeirience with the Next Cube 5) I was asking for more information...not looking to be flamed... or wacked on the knuckles... I want to know more... calm down guys... not like I posted a message saying Next sucks and Jobs needs a haircut.... oh and Thomas Funke you were really cute with your post...yup you seem like a very likeable person... I ask for info and you pretty much tell me to get a clue.... thanks... as for Next not making a CPU I was reffering to the NextCube... you do realize that the box on the floor or on your desk that holds the proccessor to your computer is called a CPU by alot of people, don't you... as for everyone who sent me useful information, thank you... at least now I know Apple hasn't gone completely insane...
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: cmsg cancel <jcr.852417619@idiom.com> Control: cancel <jcr.852417619@idiom.com> Date: 5 Jan 1997 03:25:04 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5an6ug$edt@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: Robert Iacullo <eagle@serv.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 19:55:50 -0800 Organization: AMUSE Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jmiller wrote: > > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. -- Robert S Iacullo President-Amiga Users Society Eastside eagle@serv.net http://www.serv.net/~eagle TeamAMIGA
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] Anyone can tell me about AIM's CHRP in 1997? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 14:46:44 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32CF403D.79D0@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Apple acquires NeXT and NeXT OS". Anyone can tell me about AIM's CHRP and PowerPC chip in1997 ? IBM and Motorola will continue supports CHRP? Then Apple will port AppleStep to CHRP? Please give me some advice. younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: chris@rapidremedies.com (Rapid Remedies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 06:51:16 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> In article <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > Anyway...like I >said, if GX can replace DPS with the same or more functionality, >w/o affecting stability, and with little resource or time requirements, >then I'm all for it! However, that seems unlikely, and at least >for a while, DPS will have to be kept around. Thank goodness, some >consensus :)))) I've been following this thread for a bit here, and I want to make sure I understand something. Are YOU (John Kheit) saying that DPS is going to have to be "kept around" as far as the next MacOS, or just NextStep for Next machines? If you are saying that the next MacOS is going to have DPS instead of GX, then you are absolutely nuts. Current Mac apps depend on Quickdraw, or Quickdraw GX. If they are Quickdraw dependant for printing, most of them work fine with Quickdraw GX, as it has Quickdraw emulation for printing purposes. I am running aps that are three and four years old with GX without any hitches. If DPS is to replace Quickdraw, then NONE of the current Mac applications are going to work, and a whole new crop of printer drivers will need to be written. This is not just an issue of monitor display, obviously. Most Mac printers are NOT PostScript. Therefore, there is NO distinct advantage to the claim that DPS is better for WYSIWYG. Replacing Quickdraw with Quickdraw GX will not be nearly the undertaking as replacing it with DPS - as far as all current third party apps are concerned. And as Apple has been saying all along, compatibility with current (System 7) apps is a must. This means DPS is NOT a viable option for the future of the MacOS. Apple did not spend millions and millions of dollars on Quickdraw GX after looking at DPS to just end up using DPS. They can be short sighted (frequently), but not suicidal. There is no way that DPS has a future in the next Mac OS. >> In short I'd rather work with one fast and flexible imaging >> system that can automatically handle whatever extra processing >> is needed in order to recreate on a given output device what >> I made on the screen. > >Well DPS certainly does that... Is DPS going to rewrite all current Mac apps to look for DPS instead of Quickdraw for display? >> OpenStep's printing architecture is probably very nice but >> there is a severe driver issue that Apple's going to have to >> address if they want Mac users to be able to print to non-PS >> printers from within Mac apps under the new OS. You can't >> exactly dump a Postscript file to a Stylewriter and expect it >> to print. > >That's not true. There are already options allow you to print to >a great bulk of non-PS printers.... PostScript emulators. Sure. A GX driver is doing essentially the same thing. So is any driver. It takes Quickdraw (or GX) code and converts it into binary data the printer in question can understand. BFD. This is the same issue with DPS or with GX. Therefore it's a non-issue. The issue is that most current apps will work FINE with GX unmodified. The rest will need minor modifications to make them more stable (in most cases) or remove their incompatibilities with it. This is not the case with DPS. If DPS is used, all apps must be rewritten. Not an option. This would be like porting Windows NT to the Mac and telling all Mac users "here's your next OS guys." Screw that. Users need more compatibility than that. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: chris@rapidremedies.com (Rapid Remedies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 07:21:13 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <chris-0501970021130001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> In article <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com>, marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: >> Sure it is, please tell me how you go about using a TrueType GX font's >> built-in tables in OpenStep. It was a slightly rigged example ;) But GX's >> layout manager does enable some *incredible* typographical stuff that >> OpenStep's API does not do. Providing a GX-based text field in OpenStep >> would enable all sorts of advanced formatting and typography capabilities. >> Automatically, without a need to graft that functionality into OpenStep. > >Note that this proposal does not require that DPS be ripped out. If DPS isn't ripped out and made a SUBSET of GX, then all current Mac apps will need to be rewritten. That's bunk. It won't happen. Current apps will work with GX now just fine - they just won't take advantage of the "extra" GX features. You think Apple will modify DPS such that there is a big ass Quickdraw emulator within it to deal with application compatibility. Talk about slow. >yeah, and since ultimately it all gets rendered into PostScript for >output, its pretty compelling that the onscreen representation also be in >PS. Uh huh. Maybe for a Next machine printing to a PostScript printer. What is the percentage of non-PS drivers for Next? It's something like 90% non-PS for Macs. Most people do NOT use PostScript printers - so this point is pointless. >You can't have it both ways. DPS and GX both have features not found in PS >level 2. No, the extra features won't print from DPS, neither will they >from GX. This is incorrect. What GX has "extra" it works out for any printer, whether it has those abilities or not. If it's a PS 1 printer, it will print these extra features just fine. Not so for PostScript. GX is superior in this regard. Look at a regular Mac PostScript driver (such as the Laserwriter 8 driver) - it's 556k in size. Look at the Laserwriter driver for GX. 77k in size. Why? GX has a built-in PostScript engine for creating PostScript output to recreate exactly what it displays. I have a Canon printer with a GX driver. Without it, I cannot rotate text boxes in WordPerfect without them looking like crap. Same with EPS files. If GX is loaded, this is not a problem. Looks as though it came from a PostScript printer. >> >> )Applying transforms to the bitmaps does not require PSWraps or any >> )such thing. Again, making a higher level class/kit structure for >> )more automated control in OpenStep may well be the way to go. One >> )can do this for DPS, just as easily as for GX. >> >> Actually you can't. You'd need to build a layer that would abstract PS' >> procedural interface to something on the level of GX's object-oriented >> one, then you could put on a higher level API. Again at a performance loss, >> and when it comes right down to it, why bother? You're suggesting >> reinventing a fairly large wheel. > >No, you are suggesting reinventing a fairly large wheel. DPS is already on >the cart, GX is not. You are talking drivel. Apple LOOKED at DPS years ago before the GX project was started as a possible replacement for Quickdraw. They said NO. Quickdraw GX is the replacement - regardless of whether Apple takes the Mac OS and inserts pieces of the Next OS in it - or if they start with the Next OS. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: zapster@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 5 Jan 1997 07:24:20 GMT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> In <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com>, "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since >it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly >no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) >running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance >or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache >onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only >half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. Umm, I highly doubt sun makes anything that can beat an RS/6000 system running with 512 processors... The IBM PowerParallel system is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, generally available mainframe one can buy. Solaris is also an extremely slow OS, it blows. So lesse, I have my IBM RS/6000 PowerParalell with 512 processors and 16 gigs of ram. Lesse, you have a quad pentium pro system running what... say linux and just for kicks 1 gig of ram, and of course the unbelievably fast 33mhz PCI bus... Who is going to win here? Who can have the most concurrent users? Will it be the intel machine? Fuck no.
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 12:44:23 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit chris@rapidremedies.com (Rapid Remedies) writes: >In article <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com>, >marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: >>> Sure it is, please tell me how you go about using a TrueType GX font's >>> built-in tables in OpenStep. It was a slightly rigged example ;) But GX's >>> layout manager does enable some *incredible* typographical stuff that >>> OpenStep's API does not do. Providing a GX-based text field in OpenStep >>> would enable all sorts of advanced formatting and typography capabilities. >>> Automatically, without a need to graft that functionality into OpenStep. >> >>Note that this proposal does not require that DPS be ripped out. >If DPS isn't ripped out and made a SUBSET of GX, then all current Mac apps >will need to be rewritten. That's bunk. This is true. The first assertion _is_ bunk. Thank you for clarifying that for us. :-) > It won't happen. Current apps > will work with GX now just fine - they just won't take advantage of the >"extra" GX features. 'Will' work 'now'? That's an interesting new tense, maybe the always future present? >You think Apple will modify DPS such that there is a >big ass Quickdraw emulator within it to deal with application >compatibility. Talk about slow. No, I don't think they will do that. Because it probably would be pretty slow to write a QuickDraw interpreter in PostScript. My _guess_ is that they will either map the Quickdraw calls to PS and/or provide a bitmap port for Quickdraw (GX) Apps to draw into. I would guess that they would also make the most useful GX features available within the framework of the new API, possibly pulling the Object-API into the AppKit or extensions ( GXKit, DisplayKit, ... ) while at the same time rolling some of the additional transfer modes into the compositing extensions. What would be neat if there were an additional PS graphics state parameter to control wether shapes get drawn as they are at present or composited with the current alpha + transfer mode. >I have a Canon printer with a GX driver. Without it, I cannot rotate text >boxes in WordPerfect without them looking like crap. Same with EPS >files. If GX is loaded, this is not a problem. Looks as though it came >from a PostScript printer. Interesting. 'As though it came from a PostScript printer' is used by yourself as an indication of how good the quality of GX is. In fact, you imply that PostScript is the quality standard that GX aspires to and actually achieves. Well with DPS, that same Canon printer will _be_ a PostScript printer. Neat, eh? You can then rotate not just WordPerfect text boxes but also arbitrary EPS files and they look great on screen and on your existing Canon printer. (Does GX allow importing/rotating/printing of arbitrary EPS files? I was under the impression it couldn't, but would be quite impressed if it could. Quite impressed indeed.) >You are talking drivel. Apple LOOKED at DPS years ago before the GX >project was started as a possible replacement for Quickdraw. They said >NO. Quickdraw GX is the replacement - regardless of whether Apple takes >the Mac OS and inserts pieces of the Next OS in it - or if they start with >the Next OS. Hmm...do you think the Apple that said NO to DPS as a display technology would have bought NeXT as their new OS? It also seems that Adobe has gotten a little humbler in the meantime. Things change, and happily so. Marcel
From: bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two motherboards in a cube, help Date: 4 Jan 1997 21:10:14 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <5an2i6$mms@rac10.wam.umd.edu> I have a NeXT black cube, and at bootup it says FPU=0x40 or similiar, I have found a 68030 motherboard for a good price. Can I put this into my machine, and what will happen, it doesn't have a monitor or anything, but can I speed anything up without additional software? thanks bbq
From: bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Openstep on TV Date: 4 Jan 1997 21:38:36 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <5an47c$njq@rac10.wam.umd.edu> Watching the Pretender, if you are familiar, this guy should be running a cool OS, instead of a watch like a mac, or a sand timer like windows, it has the spinning circle thing like NeXT. OpenStep on a slimnote I know works and is sold as such. Just nice to see, for whatever reason they did it. bbq no flames, just :)
From: eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 5 Jan 1997 13:53:30 GMT Organization: WorldCom Message-ID: <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily OS) sales and licensing
From: eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 5 Jan 1997 13:53:31 GMT Organization: WorldCom Message-ID: <1997010514570623705@p026.gor.euronet.nl> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> Phil Brewster <pjbrew@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that > Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily OS) > sales and licensing. If she would have said that - which I doubt - she absolutely doesn't understand the platform or she must have implicitly written off all Apple hardware development for the last 4 years. In the first case, it would mean that Apple has to get into a multi-million OS license market - which simply is not there. In the second case, the company would be - formally - bankrupt..! Apple really needs some firm one-liners, but not exactly this one. -- Yours Sincerely, Eelco Houwink eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl
From: Isaac <isaac@lab.housing.fsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ADB esc sequence? Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 05:58:34 -0500 Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970104055552.19704A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> References: <5ajfun$7nq@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Raymond Lutz <lutzray@9bit.qc.ca> In-Reply-To: <5ajfun$7nq@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> On 3 Jan 1997, Raymond Lutz wrote: > What are the escape key combinations for ADB keayboards? > > How do I access the NMI Mini-Monitor? Command-LeftAlternate-` -Isaac
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: fugue@ccp.spc.uchicago.edu Subject: HELP: Find ljf? Message-ID: <ukv9168nnyr.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:25:32 GMT Hi... I'm trying to find either Bert Lindgren, <gt8855a@prism.gatech.edu>, or a copy of ljf, whichever comes first. Looks as though Bert has left GA Tech. Does anyone know where to find him, or his HP LaserJet program, jlf? Thanks! -- fugue "The police used to watch over the people. Now they're watching the people."
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: frivolous monitor question Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 12:07:34 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000501971207340001@news.tiac.net> References: <jak-ya023680003012961534300001@news.asu.edu> <Pine.LNX.3.95.961231035613.31623A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.961231035613.31623A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu>, Isaac <isaac@lab.housing.fsu.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, John Kestner wrote: > I presume you mean the cool rolling stand. The answer is no. This is > because the colour screens were all manufactured by other companies for > NeXT. Only the MegaPixel screens were made in-house. Ummh. My info, from an in-house tech who'd taken the NeXT repair course, is that the black monitors were actually made (and repaired) by Sony. Barney
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 17:50:44 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> In article <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND screen > graphics model. > > GX was. *blink* whoa. Lawson, wouldn't 'Display postscript' sort of imply a screen display, since the printer one is just 'postscript'? Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: Terry Wilcox <terry@arcane.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 13:56:10 -0700 Sender: terry@206.75.68.5 Message-ID: <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rapid Remedies wrote: > > Apple did not spend millions and millions of dollars on Quickdraw GX after > looking at DPS to just end up using DPS. They can be short sighted > (frequently), but not suicidal. There is no way that DPS has a future in > the next Mac OS. I'm actually kind of impressed by this statement. It sums up the Mac user sentiment so concisely. From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy NeXT? Why consider buying Be? Conversely, Apple did not spend hundreds of millions of dollars on NeXT after failing with Copland, just to use Copland. Why not wait until some real info surfaces before becoming Chicken Little? Terry Wilcox Arcane Systems Ltd.
From: lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:50:14 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> Robert Iacullo writes: : jmiller wrote: : > : > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: : > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) : > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. Where can I buy one? Cheers...
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 14:41:06 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> said: >In article <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169>, "Lawson English" ><english@primenet.com> wrote: >> Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND screen >> graphics model. >> >> GX was. > > *blink* whoa. > > Lawson, wouldn't 'Display postscript' sort of imply a screen display, >since the printer one is just 'postscript'? DPS was designed to provide screen services using PostSCript. The screen services were an afterthought. While various parts of GX were percolating sperately at first at Apple, by the time they were integrated, it was with the design criteria that *everything* that could show on the screen, had to be printable via any printer that would work with GX. The screen display architecture was optimized for speed. The printing architecture was optimized for robustness and extensibility. The overall design called for them to work together seemlessly. Not so with DPS and PS. DPS was an afterthought to PS. PS was never designed to support DPS, whereas the GX display architecture was designed to work with the GX print architecture AND to work on both PS and non-PS printers. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:35:10 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> In article <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) wrote: >>If DPS isn't ripped out and made a SUBSET of GX, then all current Mac apps >>will need to be rewritten. That's bunk. > >This is true. The first assertion _is_ bunk. Thank you for clarifying >that for us. :-) Being cute isn't germane to this discussion. >>You think Apple will modify DPS such that there is a >>big ass Quickdraw emulator within it to deal with application >>compatibility. Talk about slow. > >No, I don't think they will do that. Because it probably would be >pretty slow to write a QuickDraw interpreter in PostScript. My _guess_ >is that they will either map the Quickdraw calls to PS and/or provide >a bitmap port for Quickdraw (GX) Apps to draw into. Hold one here....there are TWO distinctly different things I am talking about and you are calling them one thing. Quickdraw and Quickdraw GX are two totally different technologies with totall different abilities. If Apple is going to incorporate GX into DPS -- they are wasting time. GX contains a PostScript engine for dealing with PostScript fonts, and EPS files, and for creating PS output for files or printers. To have DPS do all of this and risk compatibility is a huge mistake. Apple has said several times that DPS is inferior to GX. >>I have a Canon printer with a GX driver. Without it, I cannot rotate text >>boxes in WordPerfect without them looking like crap. Same with EPS >>files. If GX is loaded, this is not a problem. Looks as though it came >>from a PostScript printer. > >Interesting. 'As though it came from a PostScript printer' is used by >yourself as an indication of how good the quality of GX is. In fact, >you imply that PostScript is the quality standard that GX aspires to >and actually achieves. Well with DPS, that same Canon printer will >_be_ a PostScript printer. Neat, eh? GX can create PostScript code to tell such a printer (level 1 or level 2) how to make an image (be it text or graphic). PostScript is very capable, but GX was designed to do what PostScript can only do through a lot of code. Such as transparencies. PostScript doesn't do that natively. GX does. Color filtration isn't done by PostScript natively, but GX can. >You can then rotate not just WordPerfect text boxes but also arbitrary >EPS files and they look great on screen and on your existing Canon >printer. (Does GX allow importing/rotating/printing of arbitrary >EPS files? I was under the impression it couldn't, but would be >quite impressed if it could. Quite impressed indeed.) Well I do it and it doesn't seem to have a problem. >Hmm...do you think the Apple that said NO to DPS as a display technology >would have bought NeXT as their new OS? It also seems that Adobe has >gotten a little humbler in the meantime. I know for a fact that Apple didn't buy Next on the basis of DPS. When asked if DPS or GX would be used in the new OS, Hancock said that was one of the things they had to look at carefully, and should have those answers by January 7th. Do YOU think this would be a question if Apple was not concerned about the abilities of DPS? Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:49:07 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0501971449100001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> In article <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com>, terry@arcane.com wrote: >From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: > >Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. >Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. >Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. > >Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so >it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy >NeXT? Why consider buying Be? Be doesn't use DPS....so obviously Apple is relatively unconcerned about DPS. That's not why they bought NeXT. NextStep/OpenStep is proven, more reliable -- someone said something about Be OS having a lack of I/O routines for some very basic things. Regardless, what does Be, and NeXT have in common that Apple DOESN'T have? A pre-emptively multitasking operating system with protected memory. They weren't looking for a better way to DISPLAY shit. So DPS is not the reason why they bought NeXT. Next and Be have different interfaces - so the interface is not really what Apple was looking for. Clearly, it's the stability of the machine they were looking to get. The other two were NOT why they bought Next, but could end up being gimmies. I never said that Apple wasn't buying NeXT for the kernel. And if you think it's going to use the NeXT interface - then what we have is NeXT on Macs. If we have DPS instead of GX - we have NeXT on Macs. If we have everything NeXT - then why the hell are they going to so much trouble with all of this instead of bring out the KNOWN existing NextStep PowerPC port? HMmm....NextStep is not everything Apple wants. They intend to gut it for the goodness of it. And I don't think DPS is one of those - just like the remaining Unixness of Next that Apple has publically said it intends to remove. >Conversely, Apple did not spend hundreds of millions of dollars on NeXT >after failing with Copland, just to use Copland. Spent hundreds of millions on Copland and ditched it. Wouldn't be the first time Apple did someting and fell flat. If the rumors are true - that the next OS will not support System 7 apps except through emulation - and that the next OS will support only currently shipping Macs - then Apple is going to have some big time problems. As it seems - the rumors would indicate the Mac is dead. So, yes, wait until January 7th to see what they say about compatibility. That is the main concern of any mac user. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 15:53:04 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF58214-5DE56@198.68.42.176> References: <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcel Weiher <marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de> said: >No, I don't think they will do that. Because it probably would be >pretty slow to write a QuickDraw interpreter in PostScript. My _guess_ >is that they will either map the Quickdraw calls to PS and/or provide >a bitmap port for Quickdraw (GX) Apps to draw into. At this point, I'm guessing that the new OS's equivalent of the Copland "'Blue' compatibility box" will run only a single System 7 app, and that multiple apps will require multiple boxes. QD and QDGX will (at first, at least for GX) run only within the Blue Box and use the current code to draw within whatever bitmap that PS supplies to QuickDraw/GX. Later, I would expect them to make the GX API (and hopefully QD region-handling APIs) available to "native" apps. I would guess >that they would also make the most useful GX features available within >the framework of the new API, possibly pulling the Object-API into >the AppKit or extensions ( GXKit, DisplayKit, ... ) while at the >same time rolling some of the additional transfer modes into the >compositing extensions. > I don't know how that would work. GX shapes and the API are "atomic" in that a single call does a lot of work behind the scenes. >What would be neat if there were an additional PS graphics state >parameter to control wether shapes get drawn as they are at present >or composited with the current alpha + transfer mode. With GX, such a thing doesn't make sense. Each shape object has its own transform and ink objects (which may be shared with any/all other objects) which control how the object is drawn. When a new object is created, it is automatically assigned the default ink, transform, etc objects and the appropriate default gemoetry for a shape of its type. These contain the default data for color, which window(s) to draw in, which transfer/composite modes to use, what the drawing should look like, etc. You can, of course, modify the shape object to refer to a different transform, ink, etc. OR you can change the default object. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Date: 5 Jan 1997 23:04:57 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <5apc2p$4km@News.Dal.Ca> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570623705@p026.gor.euronet.nl> Eelco Houwink (eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl) wrote: : Phil Brewster <pjbrew@ix.netcom.com> wrote: : > I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that : > Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily OS) : > sales and licensing. : If she would have said that - which I doubt - she absolutely doesn't : understand the platform or she must have implicitly written off all : Apple hardware development for the last 4 years. She never stated it was OS licensing. Look at teh QTML placn. That is where they hope to get the revenues, middleware licensing. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Christie "You aren't free because you CAN choose - only if you DO choose." "All you are is the decisions you make. If you let circumstances make them for you then what you are becomes very easy to estimate."
From: jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 5 Jan 1997 23:01:44 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <5apbso$4km@News.Dal.Ca> Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.com) wrote: : Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. : Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. : Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. : Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so : it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy : NeXT? Why consider buying Be? If you had QuickDrawGX and a kernal (the interface is just a concept) then you still wouldn't have an OS. during MacWorld in the fall there was a report that a Apple's botth there was a 9500 runnning Copland. It did not run any applications. Apple has to somehow abandon the entire ToolBox. There wasn't enough work put into OS9 (remember that was supposed to end sys7 compatibility) and had no object model. That is what they bought. They had to abandon Copland and there wasn't enough of Gershwin done to get an OS out the door so they saved us all alot of time and money and bought one. : Why not wait until some real info surfaces before becoming Chicken : Little? If a Mac user says that the new MacOS won't use DPS or Mach how does that potend the falling of the sky? There really is no evidence that NeXT and Mac will be the SAME OS. If they are then how will backward compatibility work on the SUN and Intel versions of NeXT?(MAE) Which reminds me, has anyone used the new MAE? How's the compatibility now? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Christie "You aren't free because you CAN choose - only if you DO choose." "All you are is the decisions you make. If you let circumstances make them for you then what you are becomes very easy to estimate."
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ADB esc sequence? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 23:22:46 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <5apd4o$qfr@news.wco.com> References: <5ajfun$7nq@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) wrote: >Hi there, >What are the escape key combinations for ADB keayboards? >How do I access the NMI Mini-Monitor? Hold down both the Left ALT key and the Command Bar, and press the ~ (tilde) key WITHOUT pressing the shift key. >How do I reset the hardware? Hold down both the Left ALT key and the Command Bar, and press the * key on the numeric keypad. Note that this is a hard reset, and does not result in a clean shutdown. Mike Paquette -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@wco.com mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 5 Jan 1997 17:38:10 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: > But some things are missing from that - some more > important than others. For instance - the desktop. Also, the things that > can be put on the desktop (besides files and folders). [...] > Some NeXTers mention the never-released "tabbed shelf". Ah, interesting. When I moved from my ATARI (which is very similar to the Mac concerning the desktop and had a strong professional following in Germany) to NEXTSTEP years ago, I found it very strange that there was no "desktop". But it took me only few days to find out why: In a multitasking environment, you thend to have *lots* of open windows that almost certainly will cover most of what you want to access via the desktop so it becomes more than hard to use the desktop. OTOH, you don't even need the "tabbed shelf" for a replacement of the desktop in NEXTSTEP. As you probably know, you have a (non-tabbed) shelf area on every FileViewer window; you may freely choose its size. On this area you can put whatever you'd put on the desktop otherwise. The difference is, that one single click on the NeXT icon in the dock brings up the FileViewer window, so with one click you have access to all icons on your "desktop". This makes a *lot* of sense in a multitasking environment. So, just think of the shelf area in the FileViewer window as a "desktop within a window", and you have what you want. On a side note, when the "tabbbed shelf" got introduced, there was a lot of discussion about where to place it, because placing it horizontally on the screen reduces screen height that is often more needed than screen width. I've never understood why they didn't simply evolve the shelf in the FileViewer window into a tabbed shelf so you have all advantages together... > Things like desktop printers. That's an item I've never understood. If I choose "Print" in the app I create my document with and can choose whatever printer I like there, for what purpose do I need a "desktop printer"? Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 18:32:08 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32D04808.4C55016@screaming.org> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> <remedies-0501971449100001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Murphy wrote: > Terry Wilcox <terry@arcane.com> wrote: > >From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: > > > >Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. > >Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. > >Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. > > > >Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so > >it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy > >NeXT? Why consider buying Be? > > Be doesn't use DPS....so obviously Apple is relatively unconcerned about > DPS. Be didn't have a platform-independent API, either. So, obviously, Apple is relatively unconcerned about OpenStep. (same logical form) By George, Mr. Wilcox, I think you've hit the nail on the head! This is a fun game! Be didn't have Steve Jobs, so (obviously) Apple is relatively unconcerned about him, too. Be didn't have multiarchitecture support, so (obviously) Apple isn't concerned about that, either. Be didn't have any *users*, so (obviously) Apple is relatively unconcerned about users. > If we have everything NeXT - then why the hell are they going > to so much trouble with all of this instead of bring out the > KNOWN existing NextStep PowerPC port? I think I can guess the conclusion you're gonna draw... > HMmm....NextStep is not everything Apple wants. Ha! I *pegged* it! You're lip-syncing the jargon well, but you just don't grok. Tell me, Chris, how long would it take *you* to turn the NeXTstep/PPC port a shrinkwrapped & supportable product? -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 6 Jan 1997 00:01:45 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5apfd9$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: > Yes, sendmail is complex. > It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex > it can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it > is now one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able > to find still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will > be hard to find bugs. I believe that the first time I heard this fantasy from a Unix wizard was probably around 1987. It's nice that some things stay the same. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Don't rush into GX on NG OS! (was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 17:31:05 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF598F5-B3E64@198.68.42.188> References: <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Murphy <remedies@rapidremedies.com> said: > >I know for a fact that Apple didn't buy Next on the basis of DPS. When >asked if DPS or GX would be used in the new OS, Hancock said that was one >of the things they had to look at carefully, and should have those answers >by January 7th. Do YOU think this would be a question if Apple was not >concerned about the abilities of DPS? I was under the impression that she was more worried about the cost, rather than the capabilities. Would it surprise folks if I said that I hope that GX is NOT used as the underlying graphics architecture in the first release(s) of the next gen OS? There are several reasons for this: 1) time to market -GX has never been tested in a PMT environment, AFAIK, unless it is within the Netscape plug-in demoed for Windows 95 at the last COMDEX. Making sure that your fundamental display architecture is bug-free and well optimized isn't something that can be done in only a few months, or even a year! 2) legacy libraries -GX is NOT the foundation of the NeXT/OpenStep interface and Apple would have to make sure that everything was working right, unless they merely used GX as the backend to a GhostScript Display server. And that would hark back to the issues raised in point #1. 3) GX has the potential to give Apple the ability to offer substantially more to its users and developers than DPS. However, to do this properly will take several years of design, optimization, tweaking and user/developer-testing -if GX is used from the get-go, it is entirely possible that Apple will be satisfied with whatever hack they come up with to make GX work like DPS, and then forget about enhancing its abilities, save in the directions that DPS has already established. As developers, we want more. As users, we want more. As people that know how awful Apple marketing is, we want LOTS MORE to make up for Apple's short-comings in this area. Keep DPS where it is, but work on enhancing GX to replace/enhance DPS over the long run... --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 6 Jan 1997 00:06:21 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5apflt$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <tgritton-ya023180000401970835510001@news.sprynet.com> tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) wrote: > Again see PopupFolder, takes up less window realestate than File > Viewer with no 'window heck'. Combined with the ability to see > 'up' the directory path by pressing on the Finder window title > ( Now utilities option I believe) and drilling 'down' via > PopupFolder gives you better functionality now on the Mac. File > Viewer will be a step backwards. It is somewhat different. It isn't even all that much different. It's a bit much to think of this as "a step backwards". It's just different. Note that PopupFolder is not part of the MacOS system. It changes the *default* interface (the one Apple ships with) to one that some people prefer. I bought it. I like it. I think it shows that the Finder interface, as shipped from Apple, just might maybe be *improved* by a few modest changes. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 01:39:50 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5apl56$h9p@news4.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: > In article <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de > (Marcel Weiher) wrote: > >>If DPS isn't ripped out and made a SUBSET of GX, then all > >>current Mac apps will need to be rewritten. That's bunk. > > > >This is true. The first assertion _is_ bunk. Thank you for > >clarifying that for us. :-) > Being cute isn't germane to this discussion. But salient nonetheless. This seems discussion seems more appropriate in advocacy... Followups to: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy With my appologies to Lawson English in my bad net-etiquette of not doing the usenet/followup thing. I was wrong to do so. Anyway, let's try and cut down on all the cross posting... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: raph@porter.as.utexas.edu (William Raphael Hix) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 6 Jan 1997 01:38:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5apl3e$i15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.com) wrote: : I'm actually kind of impressed by this statement. It sums up the Mac : user sentiment so concisely. One can give reasonable explanations for the following which might or might not be true. No one outside of NeXT-Apple will know the real answers until these decisions have been made, based on whatever technical or political factors are at play inside this merging process. : : From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: : : Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. QDGX vs. DPS will likely boil down to either a turf issue or a money issue. If the license for DPS costs more than say $30 per user, DPS will not be part of the OS because Apple will not want to give away that large a chunk of its $100 per copy price. Likewise if the Apple folks, who after all are in charge since they bought NeXT, have an attack of insecurity, DPS will die since it was "not inventied here". : Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. The Copland kernal exists and according to demo users is stable. It is based on a later Mach kernal so it is presumed to be more advanced. If it is as technically easy as has been suggested to migrate the OpenStep application model, drivers, etc. to this kernal, using the Copland kernal will allow the Apple OS people to save a lot of face. So this will likely happen unless it is too technically difficult. : Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. This will be MacOS 8, not NextStep 5. To assuage the fears and uncertainties of the non-technical folks who dominate Apple's customers, there will be a file management tool which looks and acts very much like the MacOS 7 finder. Hopefully this will not be the only choice (I actually like CLI for some purposes) or at least its appearance will be customizable, but I don't see how Apple can ship an OS which does not allow the bulk of its loyal user base to have a screen that looks much like MacOS 7, menu at the top with the multi colored Apple and all. Now hopefully a lot of the interface aspects of managment, like the Chooser, control panels, control strips and the like, will be changed as there is tremendous room for improvement. : Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so : it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy : NeXT? Why consider buying Be? The reason Apple bought Next was the application model. They chose NeXT over Be because the NeXT application model was tried and true and loved by the kind of enterprise developers who have always considered Macs to be toys. The application model, and the compatability issues around the Copland version, seem to be the failing of Copland. Considering that developers using NextStep, Interface Builder and the rest have deployed applications on all kinds of machines, it would seem that this is highly separable from the underlying kernal and most of the rest of these issues. : Why not wait until some real info surfaces before becoming Chicken : Little? Impatience mostly. Certainly no one knows the answers to most of these questions, not even the NeXT-Apple people charged with figuring them out. In 3-6 months, we'll see something like NextStep 4.x on PPC, though probably with whatever kernal turns out to be the best political-technical compromise. It might or might not have a Finder like file management tool. It probably won't have any Sys 7 application compatability. It'll be a year before we really see MacOS 8 even in its 8.0 form. Hopefully it'll be the best of both worlds, really cool and an Win NT killer. Until then, we'll see Mac users, who want a MacOS 8 which looks and feels like some sort of crashless, lightening quick System 7+, subconsciously trying to make it happen by saying it will loudly and often. Likewise, NeXT users are going to use the same means to conjour MacOS 8 as NextStep 5. Neither will be completely happy with the timetable or end result, but since Mac users vastly outnumber NeXT users and Apple bought NeXT, I expect the Mac loyalists will win more than their share. Raph Who has used Macs, NeXT, Sun, DEC, IBM, Cray, etc. and is still looking for the perfect computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Raphael Hix Department of Astronomy raph@astro.as.utexas.edu University of Texas Voice: (512) 471-3412 R.L. Moore Hall FAX: (512) 471-6016 Austin TX 78712 WWW: http://tycho.as.utexas.edu/~raph Room 17.210 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 01:50:06 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> NNTP-Posting-User: b7fe697fc47f6ef7093c87732e2a5b740 lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: >Robert Iacullo writes: >: jmiller wrote: >: > >: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? >: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > Where can I buy one? > Cheers.. Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: "We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand megahertz or a gigahertz." (http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest mainframe/any cpu?
From: Terry Wilcox <terry@arcane.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 19:08:29 -0700 Organization: Arcane Systems Ltd. Sender: terry@206.75.68.5 Message-ID: <32D05E9D.1EF7@arcane.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> <remedies-0501971449100001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Chris Murphy <remedies@rapidremedies.com> Chris Murphy wrote: > > Be doesn't use DPS....so obviously Apple is relatively unconcerned about > DPS. That's not why they bought NeXT. NextStep/OpenStep is proven, more > > Next and Be have different interfaces - so the interface is not really > what Apple was looking for. BeOS and NeXT have nothing in common other than being more modern OSes than System 7. Well, there is one thing. Both are led by former Apple executives. So by your logic, they picked NeXT because of Steve Jobs. They didn't actually care about NeXTstep at all. > Clearly, it's the stability of the machine they were looking to get. The > other two were NOT why they bought Next, but could end up being gimmies. Stability? Windows NT is fairly stable. So is Solaris. Why not use them? > I never said that Apple wasn't buying NeXT for the kernel. And if you > think it's going to use the NeXT interface - then what we have is NeXT on > HMmm....NextStep is not everything Apple wants. They intend to gut it for > the goodness of it. And I don't think DPS is one of those - just like the > remaining Unixness of Next that Apple has publically said it intends to > remove. $400 million to use NeXT's Mach kernel, when Apple has already ported Mach in-house? I find it hard to believe that Apple is that lost. I'll wait for Apple's announcement. Terry Wilcox terry@arcane.com
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 18:26:01 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> said: >>In article <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169>, "Lawson English" >><english@primenet.com> wrote: >>> Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND screen >>> graphics model. >>> >>> GX was. >> >> *blink* whoa. >> >> Lawson, wouldn't 'Display postscript' sort of imply a screen display, >>since the printer one is just 'postscript'? >DPS was designed to provide screen services using PostSCript. The screen >services were an afterthought. You're a bit fuzzy on your history here, Lawson. The language that became Postscript started out at Xerox (like so many other things!) as a display language. >While various parts of GX were percolating sperately at first at Apple, by >the time they were integrated, it was with the design criteria that >*everything* that could show on the screen, had to be printable via any >printer that would work with GX. >The screen display architecture was optimized for speed. The printing >architecture was optimized for robustness and extensibility. The overall >design called for them to work together seemlessly. I think you mean "seamlessly." IF that was the goal, then it's another failure on Apple's part. >Not so with DPS and PS. DPS was an afterthought to PS. PS was never >designed to support DPS, whereas the GX display architecture was designed >to work with the GX print architecture AND to work on both PS and non-PS >printers. Postscript is a general-purpose programming language, which was intended as a tool for rendering graphics. DPS followed Postscript as a product, but calling it an "afterthought" is bit inflammatory, and disparages the very fine work that Adobe and NeXT have done on it. Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a vertical frame interval, isn't it? -jcr
From: Terry Wilcox <terry@arcane.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 19:27:17 -0700 Organization: Arcane Systems Ltd. Sender: terry@206.75.68.5 Message-ID: <32D06305.162@arcane.com> References: <5apbso$4km@News.Dal.Ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Christie wrote: > > If you had QuickDrawGX and a kernal (the interface is just a > concept) then you still wouldn't have an OS. during MacWorld in the fall Very true. And if you have a complete OS that you want to ship within a year, do you rip out major components that are already well integrated? Just so you can put in your invented-here code. > If a Mac user says that the new MacOS won't use DPS or Mach how > does that potend the falling of the sky? There really is no evidence that > NeXT and Mac will be the SAME OS. If they are then how will backward > compatibility work on the SUN and Intel versions of NeXT?(MAE) That doesn't portend the falling of the sky. Mac users' predictions that Apple will collapse if Apple uses any one of: a) NeXTstep interface b) Objective-C c) DPS d) NeXTstep kernel e) anything else Apple didn't develop themselves is what I was talking about. Apple seems to be fighting against NIH syndrome. Mac users seem to be embracing NIH syndrome. Terry Wilcox terry@arcane.com
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 97 15:16:22 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Message-ID: <AEF57655-F7EB@207.158.13.13> References: <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Terry Wilcox - > From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: > Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. Probably true. GX is more capable AND more object based AND has more potential in the future with MP (Apple already has MP versions of GX).... that does not mean Apple will remove DPS - but they certainly dont need it. > Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. Quite likely. I understood that was finished quite a while ago - and is faster, better than Mach2.5 and likely better than Mach3.0... and works with lots of drivers and API's Apple was developing for Copland. > Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. Quite true. NeXT has some nice interface elements - but then so does the Mac. And Apple will likely be crucified if they change things too much. So the interface was likely very low on the list - but will give apple some new elements. > Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so > it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy > NeXT? Why consider buying Be? Because an OS is more than it look and feel (the very highest level) and its kernal (the very lowest level) and the imaging model (the graphics engine). NeXT is awesome middleware that allows for RAD (rapid application development) has a great framework, lots of services that already run on MachKernal (which is quite similar to Apples NuKernal). Its a great way to flesh out functionality for Apples new stuff... add lots of hot new programmers to their staff (they've had a bit of brain drain)... and to unite two companies that are often trying to achieve similar goals. What part of this is so hard to understand?! > Conversely, Apple did not spend hundreds of millions of dollars on NeXT > after failing with Copland, just to use Copland. Copland was currently a Kernal, a look and feel... some middleware functionality but it was not getting integrated well and was not revolutionary enough. It had lots of blanks - and NeXT fills in many of them and gives a new focus. Intead of wollowing and infighting over directions - NeXT allows apple to point and say "that way" and have a goal.... to integrate many of the technologies they have with many that NeXT has... and to bring them together and make something larger than either of the two alone. That is MORE than copland... and MORE than NeXT. > Why not wait until some real info surfaces before becoming Chicken > Little? I agree. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Don't rush into GX on NG OS! (was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 02:58:25 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5appoh$h9p@news4.digex.net> References: <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <AEF598F5-B3E64@198.68.42.188> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Keep DPS where it is, but work on enhancing GX to replace/enhance > DPS over the long run... This seems rather reasonable... To modify/enhance or even replace DPS where and how it makes sense...making the enironment more robust, while while maintaining stability... This seems a fine goal... Followups to: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy (trimming cross posts) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 5 Jan 1997 22:06:17 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> In article <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl>, eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) wrote: >I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that >Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily >OS) >sales and licensing Well, if that's true, they should have dug up the old System 7 port to 486's some time ago..... Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 6 Jan 1997 03:27:57 GMT Organization: Kuentos Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >>Robert Iacullo writes: >>: jmiller wrote: >>: > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >> Where can I buy one? >> Cheers.. > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand >megahertz or a gigahertz." >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >mainframe/any cpu? > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super computers are not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. They are about multitentacled, multprocessor monsters with lotsa processors running in parallel, talking to each other through buses that zip gigabytes per sec. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:31:40 +1030 From: dwareing@adelaide.on.net (David Wareing) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Distribution: inet Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <dwareing-3012962231400001@ppp136.adelaide.on.net.au> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net> Organization: Weyland Yutani - Building Better Worlds In article <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: >Richard Fleming <rhflem@bhip.infi.net> wrote: > >>Lance Togar wrote: >>> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >>> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >>> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >>> we haven't seen the light. >>> >>> Oh well.... >> >>Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a >>higher life form! Oh Well... > >Ok, lets see. They've been on the planet a LOT longer than we have. >They take good care of their young - all of 'em. They spend very >little time killing each other. They've survived ALL of our high tech >attempts at extermination. Sounds like a success story to me and to >someone on the outside looking in, it might very well appear that THEY >have the upper hand. Doesn't sound like you're in much of a position >to judge life forms so... it's back to computers. >Oh, well.... Ok, we'll accept your fluffy New-Age arguments and concede that you (and David Suzuki) are inferior to cockroaches and blue-green algae. However, I am better than a cockroach and as such I'm more discerning when it comes to choosing a GUI. I want NeXTStep with *some* Apple technologies (e.g. QuickTime, Sprockets) thrown in. Eventually, I want a brand new GUI that completely replaces the desktop metaphor. -- David Wareing dwareing@adelaide.on.net Belair, South Australia http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/~dwareing/ Macintosh Games Development Junk e-mail me at your own risk Get Swoop at http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/Ambrosia_Products/Swoop.html Get Bubble Trouble at http://bubble-trouble.com/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701051729.MAA18983@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: a81159ca8c9f3045a894b47e9c659819 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 97 12:29:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: a81159ca8c9f3045a894b47e9c659819 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Original Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:04:11 -0800 > > Could you shortly explain to NEXTSTEP users what this special > > "Finder metaphor" is about? I've alway thought it is what > > NEXTSTEP delivers in the "Icon view" setting of WorkspaceManager, > > so I don't understand what this discussion is all about. > > (Unfortunately, there's no "Introduction to Apple for NEXTSTEP > > users" floating around on the net ;-) ) > > for the most part, yes. But some things are missing from that - > some more important than others. For instance - the desktop. Also, > the things that can be put on the desktop (besides files and > folders). Things like desktop printers. Now I'm not saying that the > desktop metaphor is crucial to the success of the new platform, but > it would be strange not having it. (Not to mention the advocacy FUD > it would generate from the W95 people that now have it - after > what, 10 years?) There are two apps, MonsterShelf and Fiend, that make a desktop for NeXTStep. I don't use a MAC but I think it is the same thing. The FileViewer in NeXTStep is far superior to the one in MAC, from what I have seen helping people in the computer lab. It is easier to follow, easier to see where you are and what's around you. I'm sure the Finder stuff can be added pretty easily. But of course this too is idle speculation. Who knows what they'll do? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: dbin@sce.de (David Binette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: W95 printer driver for Next P.S. Laser printer sharing Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 02:29:31 GMT Organization: Satellite Communication Europe Distribution: world Message-ID: <32d161eb.3341100@news.hamburg.pop.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know what the correct printer driver is? It an older NeXT Black box and the original NeXT Laser Postscript printer that came with it. Everything seems to be working Ok and we use HP LJ ps+ drivers to talk to this networked NeXT printer. I'm wondering if there is a more appropriate printer driver. Just what *IS* the NeXT PostScript printer. is it a repackaged product with a internal engine used in other popular printers? is there an equivalent printer driver for windows? I didn't find anything at www.next.com or at www.microsoft.com/kb a few words from the wise would be welcomed. -- */ unmatched closing comment
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701051726.MAA18980@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: e9da08530f2747c63c64e107231e4b59 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 97 12:26:27 -0500 Subject: Let it die, pretty please (Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime?) References: e9da08530f2747c63c64e107231e4b59 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: chris@rapidremedies.com (Rapid Remedies) Original Date: 5 Jan 1997 06:51:16 GMT > If you are saying that the next MacOS is going to have DPS instead > of GX, then you are absolutely nuts. Current Mac apps depend on > Quickdraw, or Quickdraw GX. If they are Quickdraw dependant for > printing, most of them work fine with Quickdraw GX, as it has > Quickdraw emulation for printing purposes. I am running aps that > are three and four years old with GX without any hitches. And (I'm prettu sure) every NeXTStep application depends on DPS, and many of them have been around for years and years. The bottom line is NO ONE KNOWS. Everyone is guessing when a month ago anyone who suggested this whole idea of Jobs @Apple would have been laughed at. What makes you all think you know what they are going to do next? Can this thread die now, please? No one who likes DPS is going to go for GX, and no one who likes GX is going to go for DPS. There. Done. Apple and NeXT are going to have to figure this one out. Please move this discussion out of comp.sys.next.misc. Idle speculation is not doing anyone any good. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: "Mark Eaton" <marke@nwlink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 97 20:02:42 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <AEF5B965-19D896@206.129.239.20> References: <32D06305.162@arcane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.nwlink.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.nwlink.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.nwlink.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.nwlink.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy > That doesn't portend the falling of the sky. Mac users' > predictions that > Apple will collapse if Apple uses any one of: I wouldn't worry too much. Advocacy newsgroups aside, Avie Tevanian made it pretty clear that the initial release would pretty much be NextStep, with future versions building from there. > > a) NeXTstep interface I fervently hope they do use this. Especially if its the unreleased interface that you guys have been telling us about. > b) Objective-C I think this is a non-issue. Tools will be available by the time DR1 ships that will allow developers to use what they want to use. I'm looking forward to learning the new language and finding out for myself if it offers as much power as we've been told. > c) DPS I don't have an opinion, but I think time issues will make the decision for us/Apple/NeXT. > d) NeXTstep kernel I don't have a problem with it, but if there are better options available they should be used. Mac the Knife is reporting that the Mach 3.0 kernel from the MkLinux project will play a role. > e) anything else Apple didn't develop themselves There are a lot of Apple technologies that will fill holes in NextStep... > Mac users seem to > be > embracing NIH syndrome. Not all of us... -Mark
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 04:42:25 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> On 01/04/97, Rapid Remedies wrote: >In article <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > >> Anyway...like I >>said, if GX can replace DPS with the same or more functionality, >>w/o affecting stability, and with little resource or time requirements, >>then I'm all for it! However, that seems unlikely, and at least >>for a while, DPS will have to be kept around. Thank goodness, some >>consensus :)))) > >I've been following this thread for a bit here, and I want to make sure I >understand something. Are YOU (John Kheit) saying that DPS is going to >have to be "kept around" as far as the next MacOS, or just NextStep for >Next machines? > If he's not saying it, I will. You forget that there is another road here that Developers should be considering. OpenStep is crossplatform NOW on Mach, Solaris and NT, soon to be an Apple OS. If the DPS functionality was ripped from the Apple product, Apple looses its cross-platform advantages which it just got. DPS is part of the OpenStep spec. >If you are saying that the next MacOS is going to have DPS instead of GX, >then you are absolutely nuts. Current Mac apps depend on Quickdraw, or >Quickdraw GX. If they are Quickdraw dependant for printing, most of them >work fine with Quickdraw GX, as it has Quickdraw emulation for printing >purposes. I am running aps that are three and four years old with GX >without any hitches. > >If DPS is to replace Quickdraw, then NONE of the current Mac applications >are going to work, and a whole new crop of printer drivers will need to be >written. Wha? None of the Mac applications are going to run anyways until some emulation is written. What is native to the new OS is hardly relevant. The printer drivers arguement is rather bogus. How difficult is it to take a pre-rendered bitmap of the page and spew it to a printer. It sure won't be hard to get it working on Postscript printers. >This is not just an issue of monitor display, obviously. Most >Mac printers are NOT PostScript. Therefore, there is NO distinct >advantage to the claim that DPS is better for WYSIWYG. Replacing >Quickdraw with Quickdraw GX will not be nearly the undertaking as >replacing it with DPS - as far as all current third party apps are >concerned. And as Apple has been saying all along, compatibility with >current (System 7) apps is a must. This means DPS is NOT a viable option >for the future of the MacOS. > Apple has also said that compatibility is not likely in the first incarnation. Apple also has admited that compatibility is what killed the Copland. >Apple did not spend millions and millions of dollars on Quickdraw GX after >looking at DPS to just end up using DPS. They can be short sighted >(frequently), but not suicidal. There is no way that DPS has a future in >the next Mac OS. Apple has spent millions and millions of dollars on many technologies that haven't been widely accepted or have been abandoned as failures or near failures. Copland, Pink, Taligent, Newton (not the success that it was to be), Pippin (oh, sorry thats _next years_ failure). Apple didn't spend millions and millions on NeXT to just stick it on the shelf. Developers need that cross-platform capability. Having a substantially similar code base across different hardware platforms is going to be a win for developers. > -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 04:53:41 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5aq0gl$50s@news.digifix.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <chris-0501970021130001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <chris-0501970021130001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> On 01/04/97, Rapid Remedies wrote: >In article <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com>, >marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: > > >>> Sure it is, please tell me how you go about using a TrueType GX font's >>> built-in tables in OpenStep. It was a slightly rigged example ;) But GX's >>> layout manager does enable some *incredible* typographical stuff that >>> OpenStep's API does not do. Providing a GX-based text field in OpenStep >>> would enable all sorts of advanced formatting and typography capabilities. >>> Automatically, without a need to graft that functionality into OpenStep. >> >>Note that this proposal does not require that DPS be ripped out. > >If DPS isn't ripped out and made a SUBSET of GX, then all current Mac apps >will need to be rewritten. Thats gonna have to happen anyways. You need to start dealing with this issue. What Apple is able to offer with the new OS is that by re-writing your app, you'll be able to ship it on multiple platforms (AppleOS, NT, eventually 95) without major compatibility issues. That incentive will help to offset the other problems. >That's bunk. It won't happen. Current apps >will work with GX now just fine - they just won't take advantage of the >"extra" GX features. You think Apple will modify DPS such that there is a >big ass Quickdraw emulator within it to deal with application >compatibility. Talk about slow. > > >>yeah, and since ultimately it all gets rendered into PostScript for >>output, its pretty compelling that the onscreen representation also be in >>PS. > >Uh huh. Maybe for a Next machine printing to a PostScript printer. What >is the percentage of non-PS drivers for Next? It's something like 90% >non-PS for Macs. Most people do NOT use PostScript printers - so this >point is pointless. > The arguement you're using is bogus. If you aren't using a Postscript printer, the computer rasterizes the image just as it does now to a bitmap and then shoves it out the interface to the printer. Most any printer can be made to print a bitmap rather trivially. No complex drivers are requires. Yes, a DRIVER will be required, but not hugely complex ones. This gives cheap printer users the Postscript rasterization at the computer end. > >>You can't have it both ways. DPS and GX both have features not found in PS >>level 2. No, the extra features won't print from DPS, neither will they >>from GX. > >This is incorrect. What GX has "extra" it works out for any printer, >whether it has those abilities or not. If it's a PS 1 printer, it will >print these extra features just fine. Not so for PostScript. GX is >superior in this regard. Look at a regular Mac PostScript driver (such as >the Laserwriter 8 driver) - it's 556k in size. Look at the Laserwriter >driver for GX. 77k in size. Why? GX has a built-in PostScript engine >for creating PostScript output to recreate exactly what it displays. > >I have a Canon printer with a GX driver. Without it, I cannot rotate text >boxes in WordPerfect without them looking like crap. Same with EPS >files. If GX is loaded, this is not a problem. Looks as though it came >from a PostScript printer. > And the same would be the case in a DPS world. Except that it WOULD be coming from a Postscript rasterizer, just like it would if you were using a postscript printer. The difference is that the rasterizer is on the computer side of things. > >>> >>> )Applying transforms to the bitmaps does not require PSWraps or any >>> )such thing. Again, making a higher level class/kit structure for >>> )more automated control in OpenStep may well be the way to go. One >>> )can do this for DPS, just as easily as for GX. >>> >>> Actually you can't. You'd need to build a layer that would abstract PS' >>> procedural interface to something on the level of GX's object-oriented >>> one, then you could put on a higher level API. Again at a performance loss, >>> and when it comes right down to it, why bother? You're suggesting >>> reinventing a fairly large wheel. >> >>No, you are suggesting reinventing a fairly large wheel. DPS is already on >>the cart, GX is not. > >You are talking drivel. Apple LOOKED at DPS years ago before the GX >project was started as a possible replacement for Quickdraw. They said >NO. Quickdraw GX is the replacement - regardless of whether Apple takes >the Mac OS and inserts pieces of the Next OS in it - or if they start with >the Next OS. GX hasn't acheived universality in the Mac world now, and thats just too dang long. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 22:05:06 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF5D929-2FF77@198.68.42.184> References: <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Randolph <jcr@idiom.com> said: [corrections snipt] >Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that >GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a >vertical frame interval, isn't it? How is DPS for animating text? Are there any animation applications that use DPS calls to provide animation? On the Mac, there is a GX codec for QuickTime, and Lari Software's Electrifier uses GX byte streams over the internet to animate web pages. From my understanding, Bravo does NOT use a PostScript interpreter, so even Adobe isn't happy with PostScript performance for web-page animation. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
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From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:01:02 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> On 01/05/97, Chris Murphy wrote: >In article <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de >(Marcel Weiher) wrote: <snip> >>Hmm...do you think the Apple that said NO to DPS as a display technology >>would have bought NeXT as their new OS? It also seems that Adobe has >>gotten a little humbler in the meantime. > >I know for a fact that Apple didn't buy Next on the basis of DPS. When >asked if DPS or GX would be used in the new OS, Hancock said that was one >of the things they had to look at carefully, and should have those answers >by January 7th. Do YOU think this would be a question if Apple was not >concerned about the abilities of DPS? > If you think that she is so dedicated to GX, why didn't she just say 'GX is our graphics engine of choice'. There is little to lose as far as the NeXT people go, why would she care if she looses them. Do you think that Ms Hancock is so stupid as to answer a question such as that without having 30 people ready to back her up on what she says? She'll have to present a unified front amongst her people. Mixed signals from Apple about this would be damaging. DPS will be in the product. Expect GX to follow and for them both to eventually be on equal terms. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5aq38o$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Date: 6 Jan 1997 06:19:58 GMT Control: cancel <5aq38o$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5aq38o$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Sender: Ones-And-Zeros@prodigy.net Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: ONESZEROS Original Subject: ! MASS POST Was Here! (ilTNpY)
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:30:52 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5aq2mc$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <chris-0501970021130001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> you wrote: > If DPS isn't ripped out and made a SUBSET of GX, then all current > Mac apps will need to be rewritten. That's bunk. It won't > happen. Current apps will work with GX now just fine - they just > won't take advantage of the "extra" GX features. You think Apple > will modify DPS such that there is a big ass Quickdraw emulator > within it to deal with application compatibility. Talk about > slow. > You are apparently joining this news item about two weeks late. Apple bought NeXT for NeXTSTEP. They gave up on recreating all of the MacOS toolboxes for a modern operating system. Instead, they will have this *new* operating system, which is in fact completely incompatable (at the programming level) from MacOS. That is fact. Apple failed with Copland. NeXTSTEP will be the basis of their NeXT OS. This does not prove that they will not use QuickDrawGX. It just proves that your reasoning is completely wrong. There will be an emulation mode to duplicate the system 7.5 environment (think of it as SoftPC, except it's for running Mac apps). However, native applications will be written to the OpenStep API's, not the NeXTSTEP ones. If Apple had time to spend on massive projects, they would have stuck with Copland instead of spending money to buy NeXT. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:24:58 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5aq2ba$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> chris@rapidremedies.com (Rapid Remedies) wrote: > I've been following this thread for a bit here, and I want to > make sure I understand something. Are YOU (John Kheit) saying > that DPS is going to have to be "kept around" as far as the next > MacOS, or just NextStep for Next machines? > > If you are saying that the next MacOS is going to have DPS instead > of GX, then you are absolutely nuts. Current Mac apps depend on > Quickdraw, or Quickdraw GX. If they are Quickdraw dependant for > printing, most of them work fine with Quickdraw GX, as it has > Quickdraw emulation for printing purposes. I am running aps that > are three and four years old with GX without any hitches. For one, I have many Mac users who disagree with your praise for QuickDrawGX's ability to print. > If DPS is to replace Quickdraw, then NONE of the current Mac > applications are going to work, and a whole new crop of printer > drivers will need to be written. And how many of them do you think are going to work, natively, on MacStep to start with? It's going to be a number mighty close to zero. *All* of the API's are changing. The new operating system is based on NeXTSTEP. They are not starting with the current MacOS and futzing around with that. They tried that tactic already, and after spending many millions of dollars, they decided they would be better off by *giving up* on that project, and buying an operating system which already works. There will be an emulation box of some sort for mimicing the system 7.5 environment. That can include a QuickDraw to DPS converter. No need to rewrite the entire middleware layer of OpenStep simply to rip out DPS to replace it with a technology that has no proven track record. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:37:27 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5aq32n$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: > If Apple is going to incorporate GX into DPS -- they are wasting > time. GX contains a PostScript engine for dealing with PostScript > fonts, and EPS files, and for creating PS output for files or > printers. To have DPS do all of this and risk compatibility is > a huge mistake. Apple has said several times that DPS is inferior > to GX. They have also said, many times, that "Pink" was the ultimate operating system project. Pink became Taligent. Taligent will probably never ship an operating system. They have also said, many times, how wonderful Copland was going to be. Guess what. Copland ain't going to happen. The kernel from Copland may be part of the new OS, but the original Copland/Gershwin plans are gone. They don't exist. Apple can stick up it's nose at industry-standard technology if it wants, but I don't think it can afford to. Sure, talk about how perfect QuickDrawGX is. Rip out native postscript support in the new operating system. Fuck over everyone, just as long as you can say you're doing it for "superior technology". --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:46:50 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5aq3ka$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> <remedies-0501971449100001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: > Be doesn't use DPS....so obviously Apple is relatively unconcerned > about DPS. Does Be use QuickDrawGX? No? Well, maybe Apple is unconcerned about QuickDrawGX. > That's not why they bought NeXT. NextStep/OpenStep is proven, > more reliable -- someone said something about Be OS having a lack > of I/O routines for some very basic things. Regardless, what > does Be, and NeXT have in common that Apple DOESN'T have? A > pre-emptively multitasking operating system with protected memory. They were essentially buying OpenStep, the "middleware layer". I hate that term, but can't think of something else to call it. Apple realized that rewriting all their Toolboxes was hopeless, so they went shopping for a replacement. That replacement is OpenStep. That replacement uses DPS. Ripping DPS out of OpenStep simply to replace it with something like QDGX is a significant project, and I really don't think it will give them enough in benefits. It's a stupid idea. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need help from users of Rasmol for NEXTSTEP Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:44:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5aq3g9$h71@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> I am desperately looking for somebody who might help in recompiling the NEXTSTEP version of RasMol to update it and implement some functionalities that have been added to the other versions (Mac, Windows, SGI, etc.). For those who may not know about RasMol, it is a molecular display freeware written by Roger Sayle of Glaxo Wellcome. He has generously shared the code with the scientific world (supposedly 30,000 visitors to the RasMol home page over last 9 months, most recent count). It has been compiled for just about any platform one can think of. The problem is I believe nobody is maintaining the NEXTSTEP version. I tried to compile the NEXTSTEP version from the source code, there did not appear to be any problems in compilation, but I am unable to get a graphics display on the window. I will give more detail to any chemist, biochemist, molecular biologist, ... inerested in helping out. -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin Physical Sciences Division, Pasadena City College 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106-2003 Phone: (818) 585-7147 Fax: (818) 585-7919 E-mail: (NeXTmail and MIME mail welcome) vbragin@nextlab.calstatela.edu vbragin@ix.netcom.com vbragin@paccd.cc.ca.us vbragin@pslc.ucla.edu **********************************************************
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 5 Jan 1997 22:51:54 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.852532820@idiom.com> References: <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <AEF5D929-2FF77@198.68.42.184> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >John C. Randolph <jcr@idiom.com> said: >[corrections snipt] >>Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that >>GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a >>vertical frame interval, isn't it? >How is DPS for animating text? Well, I have a few screen-saver modules that do that sort of thing, and they seem pretty snappy to me. They all have delay loops in them, so I don't know how fast they *could* go. If you want to get the definitive word on DPS for Text effects, check out a program called Create, available from Stone Design. >Are there any animation applications that use DPS calls to provide >animation? Well, the one that springs to mind is Animo, from Cambridge animation systems. This is the system that studios like Disney, Warner, Dreamworks, and Turner Feature animation are using today to produce cartoons. I gather that the movie "space Jam" was done using Animo, with no hand-drawn cells at all. >On the Mac, there is a GX codec for QuickTime, and Lari Software's >Electrifier uses GX byte streams over the internet to animate web pages. Speaking of CODEC's, three years ago, NeXT demonstrated their NeXTIME technology, which used wavelet compression for video. I hope we'll see this used by outfits like Avid and the like. >From my understanding, Bravo does NOT use a PostScript interpreter, so even >Adobe isn't happy with PostScript performance for web-page animation. Animating things over the web is not really my field. I will point out that the idea behind the first "display postscript", that is the NeWS system that james Gosling invented, was to cut down the needed bandwidth between a GUI client and server by communication in Postscript. If I wanted you to draw a window, I could tell you once how to do it, and then just tell you give me a window, and here are the dimensions. Same with a slider, same with any other UI object I might want you to provide. -jcr
From: "Alex kac" <akac@mail.utexas.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 01:09:27 -0600 Organization: Web Information Solutions Message-ID: <akac-0601970109270001@slip-104-30.ots.utexas.edu> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> In article <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: :That's an item I've never understood. If I choose "Print" in the app I create :my document with and can choose whatever printer I like there, for what :purpose do I need a "desktop printer"? Desktop printers are useful in that I can directly see what jobs I have queued up. For example, I normally print about 3-4 jobs at a time. With desktop printers, I can open up a printer and see that this printer is printing this job and is on this page. When i worked at Apple and had access to about thousands of printers and normally only used 3 lasers near me, I would usually print to the one nearest me, but if I found that a certain print job was taking too long, I could open one desktop printer, find the job that was waiting to print AFTER the job that was taking a long time and move it to another printer so that it would print. So basically I was printing to two printers simultaneously. Another interesting use I had for desktop printers was sometimes I realized that I had to print another copy of something. I would open the desktop printer. Grab the job and COPY it to the DESKTOP. Then I would drag the job back to the printer and it would create another job for me. Desktop printers are mainly useful to see what is going on with your printer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Painfully Slow Text Scrolling in ROM Monitor on ND Turbo Cube Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3KM7s.HtM@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 05:07:04 GMT References: <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo Keywords: Text Scrolling, ND, Cube, Turbo In article <5afvhl$bln@pesto.cs.utexas.edu>, Yi Liu <liuyi@cs.utexas.edu> wrote: >[ Crosspost: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,] >[ comp.sys.next.sysadmin ] >[ Followup: comp.sys.next.misc ] > >I recently got a ND Turbo Cube. It runs everything perfectly except >for this problem: > >Problem: When booting in verbose mode, the text scrolls very slowly > line-by-line from bottom to top, kind of like watching a > terminal connected via 2400 baud modem, but felt a lot > slower and a lot more annoying. > You're stuck with it. It's an artifact of the '040 having to push all those bits around the ND's frame buffer over the NeXTbus. Not fun. Nothing you can do about it. I avoid verbose mode on my ND cube whenever possible (and will do an NMI reset when working in the ROM monitor when the cursor gets to the bottom of the screen. :-)) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: kindall@manual.com (Jerry Kindall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 19:14:12 -0500 Organization: Manual Labor Message-ID: <kindall-0501971914120001@ppp.manual.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> In article <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com>, chris@rapidremedies.com (Rapid Remedies) wrote: >In article <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > >> Anyway...like I >>said, if GX can replace DPS with the same or more functionality, >>w/o affecting stability, and with little resource or time requirements, >>then I'm all for it! However, that seems unlikely, and at least >>for a while, DPS will have to be kept around. Thank goodness, some >>consensus :)))) > >I've been following this thread for a bit here, and I want to make sure I >understand something. Are YOU (John Kheit) saying that DPS is going to >have to be "kept around" as far as the next MacOS, or just NextStep for >Next machines? > >If you are saying that the next MacOS is going to have DPS instead of GX, >then you are absolutely nuts. Current Mac apps depend on Quickdraw, or >Quickdraw GX. If they are Quickdraw dependant for printing, most of them >work fine with Quickdraw GX, as it has Quickdraw emulation for printing >purposes. I am running aps that are three and four years old with GX >without any hitches. No, he didn't say that the next MacOS would have DPS instead of GX. Is there any reason why we can't have both? I can certainly imagine DPS being very useful for programs that think in PostScript internally, such as Illustrator. Not to mention programs being ported from the NeXT platform, and there do appear to be some worth porting. And I can certainly imagine that having GX around would be great for supporting existing Mac applications as well as new ones. I can't think of a reason. Nor can I think of a reason why including both means that one must be used to emulate the other, when we're talking about an operating system which is no doubt capable of loading either DPS or QDGX dynamically when it's needed, instead of having it take up memory all the time. Since QDGX already exists and is native PowerPC code, and DPS already exists as part of the NeXTstep OS which is being ported to the Mac, why CAN'T we (at least in the long run) have both? -- Jerry Kindall <kindall@manual.com> Manual Labor <http://www.manual.com/> Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting Mac hardware and software, MIDI, and more for sale! See http://www.manual.com/sale.html for a current list
From: Kevin Palmer <kpalmer@neosoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 02:01:33 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Dallacqua wrote: > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > wrote: > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I read the article. Kevin Palmer fon 713-787-6828 pgr 281-725-6737 net kpalmer@neosoft.com URL www.neosoft.com/~kpalmer
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: access to extended DOS partitions in NS/Intel Date: 6 Jan 1997 08:00:59 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <5aqbfr$se0@nntp1.best.com> References: <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5allb6$5in@news.next.com> In-Reply-To: <5allb6$5in@news.next.com> On 01/03/97, Joe Keenan wrote: >In article <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl >Pfleger) writes: > >> I have 3 partitions on the HD of my NS/Intel machine: DOS/Win95, NS, and a >> 3rd partition what was previous Linux, but I just reformetted to be an >> extended DOS partition. How do I get the new extended DOS drive to be >> accessible in NS (e.g., Workspace, unix command line, ...) ? >> Or is this not possible even though NS is capable of reading the file >> system? That would seem silly since NS's fdisk understands that the >> partition is there. > >No, it's not possible. fdisk understands the partition table, but the DOS >file system itself only understands primary partitions, not extended/logical >partitions. A big hole, I agree, but that's what we've currently got. > >joe Check out vmount 0.4... the announcement which I just read in c.s.n.announce seems to imply that it can deal with extended DOS partitions. - Chris -- __________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf - NeXTStep/OpenStep Developer Mail: cwolf@wolfware.com Web: http://www.wolfware.com/cwolf/cwolf.shtml __________________________________________________
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 07:03:16 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> In article <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > If you think that she is so dedicated to GX, why didn't she just say >'GX is our graphics engine of choice'. There is little to lose as far as >the NeXT people go, why would she care if she looses them. > > Do you think that Ms Hancock is so stupid as to answer a question >such as that without having 30 people ready to back her up on what she says? > > She'll have to present a unified front amongst her people. Mixed >signals from Apple about this would be damaging. > > > > DPS will be in the product. Expect GX to follow and for them both >to eventually be on equal terms. You contradict yourself on a regular basis. You say DPS will be in the product contradicting Hancock who hasn't even said. She only said that they will have to work that out. This means they probably don't have time to remove DPS right now, but will do it eventually, just like they will toss out remaining the remaining "Unixness" of OpenStep. DPS cannot emulate GX. GX can emulate DPS. I suspect that they will work a DPS engine (similar to the existince PS engine) into GX and run GX as the main API. But it really comes down to Apple engineers and NeXT engineers as they know best. However, I doubt you will see DPS running along with GX as equals. It's one or the other. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com.nonsense> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 19:45:58 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32D04B46.C54@exnext.com.nonsense> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uli Zappe wrote: > > marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: > > But some things are missing from that - some more > > important than others. For instance - the desktop. Also, the things that > > can be put on the desktop (besides files and folders). [...] > > Some NeXTers mention the never-released "tabbed shelf". > > Ah, interesting. When I moved from my ATARI (which is very similar to the Mac > concerning the desktop and had a strong professional following in Germany) to > NEXTSTEP years ago, I found it very strange that there was no "desktop". > > But it took me only few days to find out why: In a multitasking environment, > you thend to have *lots* of open windows that almost certainly will cover > most of what you want to access via the desktop so it becomes more than hard > to use the desktop. > > OTOH, you don't even need the "tabbed shelf" for a replacement of the desktop > in NEXTSTEP. As you probably know, you have a (non-tabbed) shelf area on > every FileViewer window; you may freely choose its size. On this area you can > put whatever you'd put on the desktop otherwise. The difference is, that one > single click on the NeXT icon in the dock brings up the FileViewer window, so > with one click you have access to all icons on your "desktop". This makes a > *lot* of sense in a multitasking environment. > > So, just think of the shelf area in the FileViewer window as a "desktop > within a window", and you have what you want. You can also set up your FileViewer windows so that you essentially have multiple, special-purpose desktops. You can have a graphics desktop, a word processing desktop, a spreadsheet desktop, etc. Each window viewing or browsing a related directory: a directory where all your graphics-in-progress are located; a directory where your novel-in-progress is located; a directory where your company spreadsheets are located. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sun, 05 Jan 97 19:07:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5apps0$p4u@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> In article <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) wrote: >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >>Robert Iacullo writes: >>: jmiller wrote: >>: > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >> Where can I buy one? >> Cheers.. > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand >megahertz or a gigahertz." >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >mainframe/any cpu? > how big is the cache on this 1000mhz PPC? And how fast is the memory system of current system... For many things today its not the CPU that the problem, but the memory speed. Stephan
From: Gary Driggs <garyd@transport.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: R/E The NeXT Story Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 22:41:45 -0800 Organization: Transport Logic Message-ID: <32D09EA9.5E96@transport.com> References: <32CD9C97.643F@cfmo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------571A5F916810" ------------571A5F916810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There have been a small handful of books about Jobs and NeXT, Inc. that have come out over the last 10 years. The only one I've found interesting to read at any length is Randall E. Stross's 'Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing.' I'm curious if anyone out there has feedback on this title. It was published by Atheneum in '93 and the ISBN # is 0-689-12135-0. -Gary ------------571A5F916810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY> <DT>There have been a small handful of books about Jobs and NeXT, Inc. that have come out over the last 10 years. The only one I've found interesting to read at any length is Randall E. Stross's 'Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing.' I'm curious if anyone out there has feedback on this title. It was published by Atheneum in '93 and the ISBN # is 0-689-12135-0.</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>-Gary </DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------571A5F916810--
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:31:45 +1030 From: dwareing@adelaide.on.net (David Wareing) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Distribution: inet Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <dwareing-3112961531450001@ppp41.adelaide.on.net.au> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net> Organization: Weyland Yutani - Building Better Worlds In article <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: >christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >>|> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >>|> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. >> >>|> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. >> >>Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised >>their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D >>staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything >>more than just your opinion? >> >I haven't seen any support for the 2 - 7 million figure but let's say >it's right on. Xerox SHOULD have rented the widows/mice stuff in the >same way that MS rented BASIC. Very poor management decision. Xerox >got screwed - plain and simple. Xerox were the ones who made the supposed mistake*, yet you're blaming Apple for screwing them over? How does that work out? (*remember that they didn't have crystal balls in the early '80s. Neither you nor Xerox knew that Apple were going to totally revolutionize the industry. They did know however, that their stock was valuable, and thus took up an opportunity to get their hands on some -- at the time it would have made great sense. It's only with 20/20 hindsight that you can pass your judgement on Xerox). -- David Wareing dwareing@adelaide.on.net Belair, South Australia http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/~dwareing/ Macintosh Games Development Junk e-mail me at your own risk Get Swoop at http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/Ambrosia_Products/Swoop.html Get Bubble Trouble at http://bubble-trouble.com/
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 6 Jan 1997 08:08:05 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <5aqbt5$h0e@white.koehntopp.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) writes: >> Things like desktop printers. >That's an item I've never understood. If I choose "Print" in the app I create >my document with and can choose whatever printer I like there, for what >purpose do I need a "desktop printer"? Desktop printers are a shorthand macro for "Fire up the default application for this document and select its Print command." The macro may even select a printer in the print dialog depending on the desktop printers name. This effect can probably be had by creating a Nextstep application that accepts any filetype, determines the default application for it by communicating with Workspace and sending messages to the Workspace to start the app and to the app to make it print. Perhaps a variant of Opener.app could do this? Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "<laura> Das muss ich nicht pollen, das angel ich mir aus dem spool." -- Beruehmte letzte Worte.
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: W95 printer driver for Next P.S. Laser printer sharing Date: 6 Jan 1997 13:13:37 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5aqtq1$hoc@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <32d161eb.3341100@news.hamburg.pop.de> Cc: dbin@sce.de In <32d161eb.3341100@news.hamburg.pop.de> David Binette wrote: > Anybody know what the correct printer driver is? > It an older NeXT Black box and the original NeXT > Laser Postscript printer that came with it. > > Everything seems to be working Ok and we use HP LJ ps+ > drivers to talk to this networked NeXT printer. > > I'm wondering if there is a more appropriate printer driver. > > Just what *IS* the NeXT PostScript printer. > > is it a repackaged product with a internal engine used > in other popular printers? > is there an equivalent printer driver for windows? > > I didn't find anything at www.next.com or > at www.microsoft.com/kb > > a few words from the wise would be welcomed. > It is a Canon printing engine connected by a video interface to the NeXT system. The NeXT does all the rendering and controls the NeXT Laser over this line. The Printer itself is has no 'intelligence' whatever. Since the DisplayPostScript system does all the rendering it should be able to cope with PostScript Level 2 so you could try to produce L2 code or use a PPD of a L2 printer. The PPD of the NeXTLaser is part of the NeXTStep system (/NextLibrary/PrinterTypes/English.lproj/NeXT_400_dpi_Laser_Printer.ppd). -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 6 Jan 1997 13:05:06 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aqta2$ee7@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) writes: >>>Sendmail is everything. >>>It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. >> >>>And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >>>cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. > Yes, sendmail is complex. > It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it > can contains bugs. From what i heard, there might be some other programs for mail delivery, which might not be as ugly and insecure as sendmail, but with still a lot of power. qmail or exim perhaps. Bernhard Reiter
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Date: 6 Jan 1997 14:58:43 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5ar3v3$t4j@josie.abo.fi> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> followups MASSIVELY pruned. Hugues RICHARD, in <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr>: [...] >It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it >can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it is now >one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able to find >still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will be hard to >find bugs. how many years has it been, now? how many decades? the reason sendmail always has one more bug is that development still continues on it. *of course* there will be new bugs, as long as new code is still being added! >Now you can do lite version of sendmail, fo small servers. that would be by using some other MTA. sendmail is not without competition, you know. personally, i say if smail or qmail will do the job you want done, use one of them; use sendmail if and only if it'll do the job and no other package will. -- "...Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog just died..." - Leonard Cohen
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Date: 6 Jan 1997 15:13:21 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5ar4qh$t4j@josie.abo.fi> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> followups pruned. crobato@kuentos.guam.net, in <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net>: >In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: >>By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >>mainframe/any cpu? >Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. i understand the DEC Alpha ships in a 500MHz version. >It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super >computers are not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. that, and I/O. reliability is what clustering technologies specialize in, VAX/VMS clusters and the like. mainframes to some extent also - i heard IBM ships/shipped an MVS mainframe where you could change a faulty CPU on the fly. -- "...Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog just died..." - Leonard Cohen
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:47:43 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32d11e58.2884009@news.inlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> On Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:58:34 +1300, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: >Trouble is, GX solves a great number of real problems that both Mac users >and developers have been moaning about for years. It offers a powerful, >customizable next-generation architecture that the Mac desperately needs. Trouble is, GX is such a pain that most MacOS users don't install it, or if they do, they soon disinstall it. It is a memory hog, it causes compatibility problems, it alters fonts, it crashes the machine.
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:51:19 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32d11f48.3124373@news.inlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <chris-0501970021130001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq2mc$r0d@duke.squonk.net> How about this: Apple to sell GX technology to Adobe in exchange for DPS licensing. Then, if Adobe wants to and can, it could add the additional GX functionality to PS.
From: skappel@intranetsol.com (Steve Kappel) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:05:56 GMT Organization: IntraNet Solutions, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ar7t4$6qv@misery.millcomm.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.hawaii.edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> In article <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, zapster@ibm.net writes: >In <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com>, "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >>I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since >>it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly >>no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) >>running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance >>or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache >>onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only >>half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. > >Umm, I highly doubt sun makes anything that can beat an RS/6000 system >running with 512 processors... The IBM PowerParallel system is one of >the fastest, if not the fastest, generally available mainframe one can buy. >Solaris is also an extremely slow OS, it blows. So lesse, I have my IBM >RS/6000 PowerParalell with 512 processors and 16 gigs of ram. Lesse, You will be forgiven for your IBM-centric view. You are right in that Sun doesn't make it (yet). However, there are SPARC and Solaris platforms from other vendors that do. Try http://endeavor.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/fpcrf/e/ap1000.html which is about the Fujitsu AP1000 that supports up to 1024 SuperSPARCs. By slow Solaris you apparently have an outdated view, perhaps 4-5 years ago in the Solaris 2.0/2.1/2.2 days. Solaris 2.5 is very fast. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel@intranetsol.com IntraNet Solutions, Inc. http://www.intranetsol.com/~skappel 9625 West 76th Street skappel@winternet.com Eden Prairie, MN 55344
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 09:24:04 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF67854-3AA82@198.68.42.184> References: <jcr.852532820@idiom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Randolph <jcr@idiom.com> said: I said: >>Are there any animation applications that use DPS calls to provide >>animation? > >Well, the one that springs to mind is Animo, from Cambridge animation >systems. This is the system that studios like Disney, Warner, Dreamworks, >and Turner Feature animation are using today to produce cartoons. > >I gather that the movie "space Jam" was done using Animo, with no >hand-drawn cells at all. That is an animation creator. I meant animation playback. Animation of text is trivial using GX. Text objects are just entries in the (hidden) GX shape-object data base. You evoke the drawing of an object by saying "DrawShape(myShape);" And the database is optimized behind the scenes to handle your drawing for you. Want to distort text in some way and animate the distortion? Trivial. And fast, since only the information that changes is replaced in the data base. The rest remains cached for fast usage. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: 6 Jan 1997 17:30:00 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <5arcqo$aud@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> "Cesar M. Cintron" <ccintron@gte.net> writes: > - The very old, very crummy Unix part of Next's OS is far worse than > even the freeware Linux (I know, because I used Linux for several years, > as did my friend). <shrug> - depends on what you like really - "old & crummy" in this case translates to 4.3 BSD which is fine for most uses - true, 4.4 would be nice, but 4.3 never caused me any problems. > language called "Objective C". It's not C, or C++, but a different > variation on them. Next didn't even have an Objective C compiler; they > depended on the freeware GNU Objective C compiler! Thats a good thing isn't it ? Whybother writiing your own compiled when theres a good free one out there anyway - the Objective C compiler is GCC as is the C++ compiler. Most ppl with machines install gcc anyway as an alternative so why not ? > - The reason you don't hear too much about Objective C is that it was a > weird, quirky language. It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, The reason you don't hear too much about ObjC is that it was only really used by NeXT. As far as wrapping up objects is concerend it's as good as C++ and also provides run-time binding of the method calls. Gives it some advantgaes in this application. You can always use C++ if you want - theres nothing stopping you. > called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military > computer language called Ada also offers interfaces). There is nothing Mmmm... someone who thinks Ada is "way cool". Ever tried to use it ? Actually, do you know anyone in the military who uses it ? Just curious. > - OK, it has DisplayPostscript like SGIs do, but in order to customize > your desktop (i.e., add new menus), you actually had to WRITE POSTSCRIPT > CODE! SGI dropped that way of doing things years ago, as did Sun. Just not true. maybe it was once, but not since I;ve been using NeXT and thats a good number of years. As for your following comments on Pixar's renderman, well thats been dropped anyway and theres a free version of OpenGL out there called Mesa. You can find my OpenStep "port" (very little changes) on the ftp site. Works fine. I wouldnn't worry too much if I were you - you just have some out of date info. -bat.
From: cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:03:18 -0500 Organization: University of Maine System Message-ID: <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > > I like NEXTSTEP's desktop with the floating > > menu strips and the dock. But I really would like to be able to deal with > > files with the Finder metaphor > > Could you shortly explain to NEXTSTEP users what this special "Finder > metaphor" is about? I've alway thought it is what NEXTSTEP delivers in the > "Icon view" setting of WorkspaceManager, so I don't understand what this > discussion is all about. (Unfortunately, there's no "Introduction to Apple > for NEXTSTEP users" floating around on the net ;-) ) By 'Finder metaphor' I meant the way the Finder displays each level of the file hierarchy in a separate window. I haven't had the opportunity to use NEXTSTEP, and I'm assuming that the File Viewer doesn't do this. If it in fact does, then I owe an apology & need to wipe the egg off my face... <grin> But whether the Finder is more intuitive or not, there's a bigger issue -- Apple needs to make this OS feel like an evolutionary step up from the current MacOS (a big evolutionary step, but an evolutionary step nonetheless). Unfortunately, superior technology and superior design don't by themselves sell computers or OSes -- Apple first and foremost has to protect its current users and keep its third-party developers on board. And I think that completely ditching the Finder might be a bad mistake in this regard. --Chris -- Christopher Wood cwood41@maine.maine.edu D'ohh! <-- in the manner of Homer Simpson
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:12:53 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32d13df1.15751259@news.sover.net> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5apps0$p4u@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: >In article <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) wrote: >>lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: >> >>>Robert Iacullo writes: >>>: jmiller wrote: >>>: > >>>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >>>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >>>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? >> >>>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. >> >>> Where can I buy one? >>> Cheers.. >> >>Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: >>"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand >>megahertz or a gigahertz." >>(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) >> >>By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >>mainframe/any cpu? >> > > how big is the cache on this 1000mhz PPC? And how fast is the memory > system of current system... For many things today its not the CPU that > the problem, but the memory speed. > > Stephan > And that really is the point. The Exponential stuff is worthless without cache that can keep up and there is none at a reasonable price. Eventually, the data needs to got to main RAM - same problem. All this is so much fodder for the clueless types who equate CPU clock rates OR types to system speed.
From: tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:58:56 -0800 Organization: ^self -> (CompSci/MolBiol) Message-ID: <tgritton-ya023180000601970958560001@news.sprynet.com> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <tgritton-ya023180000401970835510001@news.sprynet.com> <5apflt$r0d@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5apflt$r0d@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) wrote: >> Again see PopupFolder, takes up less window realestate than File >> Viewer with no 'window heck'. Combined with the ability to see >> 'up' the directory path by pressing on the Finder window title >> ( Now utilities option I believe) and drilling 'down' via >> PopupFolder gives you better functionality now on the Mac. File >> Viewer will be a step backwards. > >It is somewhat different. It isn't even all that much different. >It's a bit much to think of this as "a step backwards". It's >just different. I haven't used File Viewer yet but it looks to me to be a slower to navigate cascaded hierarchical menu turned 90 degrees. So I only mean 'step backwards' in the sense that I can more rapidly navigate a cascaded hierarchical menu than the File Viewer browser. Pressing and dragging thru the hierarchical menu is faster for me than a series of clicks in successive panes and then also needing to scroll the pane view. >Note that PopupFolder is not part of the MacOS system. It >changes the *default* interface (the one Apple ships with) >to one that some people prefer. I bought it. I like it. >I think it shows that the Finder interface, as shipped from >Apple, just might maybe be *improved* by a few modest changes. As this discussion illustrates perferences differ. Mac users have always been able to get nice GUI addons to suite their preferred working habits. Has this been true for Next users? Are there nice addons in the NeXT environment for navigating and representing ones content space? ( on Mac side see <ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/gui/> ) -- -- Terry Gritton "Glycobiology - the new frontier of biosemiotics" tgritton@sprynet.com
From: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 6 Jan 97 13:24:00 -0500 Organization: Harvard University University Information Systems Message-ID: <AEF6AD74-EA77DC@134.174.152.63> References: <5aqbt5$h0e@white.koehntopp.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://oitnews.harvard.edu/comp.sys.next.misc On Mon, Jan 6, 1997 3:08 AM, Kristian Kšhntopp <mailto:KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: >Desktop printers are a shorthand macro for "Fire up the default >application for this document and select its Print command." >The macro may even select a printer in the print dialog >depending on the desktop printers name. But desktop printers are also useful for monitoring the status of a print job. Since the icon changes to reflect the printing status. You can also double click on a printer icon to see what the printer is doing. How does NeXTSTEP monitor printing now? Since most people only print to one printer (at least one printer at a time), I think this could be easily solved by having a printer.app which showed the status of printing in it's icons. Double clicking it could bring up a list of all print jobs and their status, listed by printer. -- Ishir Bhan (ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu) Harvard Medical School, Class of '00 http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/~ibhan
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:47:45 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5arhch$79b@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> On 01/04/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > Trouble is, GX solves a great number of real problems that both Mac users > and developers have been moaning about for years. It offers a powerful, > customizable next-generation architecture that the Mac desperately needs. > > For instance, it seems hardly a week goes by without somebody asking, on > some newsgroup I frequent, how they can print just the even or odd pages > from a document, so they can get double-sided output on a single-sided > printer. This is the kind of feature that logically belongs in-between the > printer driver and the application, since it is useful across different > printer drivers and across different applications. GX provides the concept > of "printing extensions" that allow third-party add-ons to supply this > sort of feature in a clean, well-behaved way. Like my Duplex Helper > Umm, as I've pointed out elsewhere, an application to do just this for PostScript documents was developed by Gideon Tearle back in 1992; Henry McGilton has posted in the advocacy groups to explain why incorporating sme of this functionality into the Print Panel might not be a good idea. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: cgonderz@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Christopher Gonderzik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GNU Emacs 19.34 on HP 700/60 PA-RISC Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:46:44 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Message-ID: <5arhak$ote@uwm.edu> Hello all, I have been having trouble trying to compile emacs 19.34 on my HP 700 series 60 running NS 3.3. According to the README's there should be a machine config in the ./etc/MACHINES file. I looked and found: HP 9000 series 700 or 800 (Spectrum) (hppa1.0-hp-hpux or hppa1.1-hp-hpux or ...hpux9shr, or ...-nextstep) I assume that this means set up the configuration program to run as follows: ./configure hppa1.0-hp-nextstep However, doing this produces: loading cache ./config.cache checking host system type... hppa1.0-hp-nextstep configure: error: Emacs hasn't been ported to `hppa1.0-hp-nextstep' systems. Check `etc/MACHINES' for recognized configuration names. Hmmm. I MUST be missing something here. Any help? -Chris.
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:40:50 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5argvi$84s@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> Cc: cwood41@maine.maine.edu In <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> Christopher Wood wrote: > In article <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, > uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > > > cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > > > I like NEXTSTEP's desktop with the floating > > > menu strips and the dock. But I really would like to be able to deal with > > > files with the Finder metaphor > > > > Could you shortly explain to NEXTSTEP users what this special "Finder > > metaphor" is about? I've alway thought it is what NEXTSTEP delivers in the > > "Icon view" setting of WorkspaceManager, so I don't understand what this > > discussion is all about. (Unfortunately, there's no "Introduction to Apple > > for NEXTSTEP users" floating around on the net ;-) ) > > By 'Finder metaphor' I meant the way the Finder displays each level of the > file hierarchy in a separate window. I haven't had the opportunity to use > NEXTSTEP, and I'm assuming that the File Viewer doesn't do this. If it in > fact does, then I owe an apology & need to wipe the egg off my face... > <grin> > Your assumption is partially correct. You could get it to open a new window with each level of the file system hierarchy, but that is not the default behavior, nor can you make it the default behavior. What you do is: 1) single click on the folder you want to open 2) comman-shift-o (the "file" menu item "Open as Folder") I think it should be an option to do it either way ("open folders in new window automagically" or "open folders in current window"). This is one of the few Win95isms I actually like (the otherone I'd like to see in Nextstep is that the iconify button not be a generic icon/window frame miniaturized, but the actual icon miniaturized), and wouldn't mind seeing show up in Nextstep. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 6 Jan 1997 19:16:35 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> In article <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > No one is going to throw out Windows for MacStep simply because it has > a prettier interface, or is "original". > ------ > John De Hoog > dehoog@super.zippo.com No. They will only throw out Windows for MacStep if- Windows doesn't work as advertised and they figure this out MacStep works and also becomes available on PC hardware MacStep makes Unix server functionality available at no added cost I don't see where the prettiness of the interface enters into it at all ;) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: pfd@ziplink.net (Peter Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 20:18:08 GMT Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Message-ID: <slrn5d2ng1.f03.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:16:47 +1300, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro <ldo@waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > In article <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com>, > marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: > > >In article <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > >rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > >> > >> No it's not. If you use one of DPS' calls that isn't in Postscript, then > >> it won't print. The question is will the DPS3 engine support transparency > >> while printing to PSLevel2 printers. > > > >You can't have it both ways. DPS and GX both have features not found in PS > >level 2. No, the extra features won't print from DPS, neither will they > >from GX. > > They do from GX. That's the beauty of GX--that it includes a > next-generation printing architecture that handles the headaches of > generating good PostScript to give a faithful WYSIWYG representation of > your graphics, taking care of things like Level 2 and Level 1 > compatibility, splitting of complex paths, font subsetting, managing > printer memory and so on, so you don't have to! I wonder if Mr. D'Oliveiro is capable of describing GX without resorting to the phrase "next-generation printing architecture." Really this is meaningless rhetoric, and contributes nothing to the discussion. > >The point is, do you work in one imaging model and output to > >another, or work and output in the same imaging model? > > The trouble with PostScript is, it's not just the imaging model, it's all > the programming-language baggage that goes with it. Consider what happens > when someone gives you a Level 2 PostScript file, but all you've got is a > Level 1 PostScript printer to print it on. Identical imaging model, right? > But can you print it? Not a hope. You can if the file has been coded in such a way as to fallback gracefully. Obviously it's possible to create bad PostScript files, just as it's possible to create bad GX output. If it seems more common in PostScript, it's only because of the 10-to-1 or higher ratio of users. > That's why QuickDraw GX lets you take a step backwards from all this > nonsense, so you can create high-quality graphics without having to worry > about the limitations of PostScript. So you're saying that the inclusion in PostScript of a powerful, flexible programming language is a limitation? That's a very unusual perspective. I guess all the people who write PostScript procedures to do innovative rendering techniques, or to manipulate the graphics for particular applications are really bemoaning this limitation. -- Peter Davis http://www.ziplink.net/~pfd "Standardization is the opposite of innovation."
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 20:48:32 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5arof0$b0o@news.digifix.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> On 01/05/97, Chris Murphy wrote: >In article <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott >Anguish) wrote: > > >> If you think that she is so dedicated to GX, why didn't she just say >>'GX is our graphics engine of choice'. There is little to lose as far as >>the NeXT people go, why would she care if she looses them. >> >> Do you think that Ms Hancock is so stupid as to answer a question >>such as that without having 30 people ready to back her up on what she says? >> >> She'll have to present a unified front amongst her people. Mixed >>signals from Apple about this would be damaging. >> >> >> >> DPS will be in the product. Expect GX to follow and for them both >>to eventually be on equal terms. > > >You contradict yourself on a regular basis. No, you're having trouble understanding. >You say DPS will be in the >product contradicting Hancock who hasn't even said. She only said that >they will have to work that out. How can I contradict something that hasn't been said by someone? >This means they probably don't have time >to remove DPS right now, but will do it eventually, just like they will >toss out remaining the remaining "Unixness" of OpenStep. No, you need to re-read what has been attributed to Ms. Hancock. She said that NeXT has done a good job of hiding the Unix underpinnings and that they will continue that job. >DPS cannot >emulate GX. GX can emulate DPS. I suspect that they will work a DPS >engine (similar to the existince PS engine) into GX and run GX as the main >API. But it really comes down to Apple engineers and NeXT engineers as >they know best. > DPS doesn't need to emulate GX. >However, I doubt you will see DPS running along with GX as equals. It's >one or the other. That is just so thick its rediculous. If this is the case, Apple is throwing away OpenStep's current cross-platform compatbility. That would be stupid. They'll never get Sun to reproduce GX on Solaris. They'd be pretty unlikely to submit GX to a standards body as OpenStep has been. Read what Apple has written it has lots of clues... Proof of a New Open Apple. http://live.apple.com/next/961220.pr.rel.points.html Embracing outside technology and __cross-platform industry standards__, Apple believes it can innovate in the key areas that give its products and technology differentiation. NeXT's cross-platform development environments in the enterprise and Internet/intranet space __allow developers to write once and deploy across a range of Internet and client-server platforms__. With Apple driving alliances in the Internet/intranet space, Apple technology will contribute to the further development of the information industry. Why does it have to be one way or the other for you people? -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: Frank <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:18:07 -0500 Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eagle@serv.net Robert Iacullo wrote: > > jmiller wrote: > > > > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > -- > > Robert S Iacullo > President-Amiga Users Society Eastside > eagle@serv.net http://www.serv.net/~eagle > TeamAMIGA Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million transistors!!! Plus, a fully configured Pentium200 can be had for under $1500, can you get the same price/performance with a >180mhz< 604e PPC chip computer?! Which costs at least 3 times that amount! Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit
From: exfjnzl@rbf.apfh.rqh (Ravi K. Swamy) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT/Apple - the gaming connection Date: 2 Jan 1997 20:57:49 GMT Organization: Gunsmith Cats Distribution: inet Message-ID: <slrn5co8ad.cin.exfjnzl@c01021-111poe.eos.ncsu.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> <59tbt5$6md@news.ycc.yale.edu> <59udsj$1ms@duke.squonk.net> In article <59udsj$1ms@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn wrote: >abergman@pantheon.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman) wrote: >> Garance A Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu) wrote: >> : >> : What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? >> >> Dunno. Myst was done using Hypercard (roughly) on a Mac, however. > >Well, I didn't think it was _Myst_, but I don't know enough about >the gaming-world to remember what games were developed on NeXTSTEP. >I only remember Doom because the guys in the CS department used to >play it on Friday nights (now they play Quake instead, but I doubt >that was developed on NeXTSTEP). After Doom and Quake, the only Parts of Quake were written on NeXTSTEP. I don't know how much, but look at ftp.cdrom.com /.5/idgames/idstuff/quake/qe_dev.gif for a picture of their NeXTSTEP based level editor. >In case people are wondering, these games were not developed using >any NeXTSTEP-specific API's. As I understand it, the companies >just liked NeXTSTEP because the machine didn't crash when they >tripped over bugs during the development phase. I imagine both >games were developed using C++ or perhaps straight C. John Romero, one of the main guys at id software used to have a .plan file that said "To get the entire world running NeXTSTEP" so I think he liked it for more reasons other than that it was stable. Ravi -- Ravi K. Swamy http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rkswamy/www/ rkswamy at eos.ncsu.edu root@genom.com
From: Michael Taylor <mtaylor@aw.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 19:19:06 -0500 Organization: Alias|Wavefront Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Palmer wrote: > > Jeff Dallacqua wrote: > > > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > > wrote: > > > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? > > -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in > Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I > read the article. I'm sure that 7th guest was made with 3DStudio. I'm not sure about 11th Hour though. This is the first I've heard of 7th Guest having anything to do with NEXTSTEP. Not that I'm an expert on the subject. Quake on the other hand was definately developed using both NEXTSTEP and Power Animator (on SGI's). I've got a screen capture of a NeXT desktop of a Quake developer from Id Software somewhere. Here it is. To see the level editor under NEXTSTEP try: ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake/qe_dev.gif /\/\ike Dislaimer: My opinions are my own, yada yada -- /\/\ike Taylor | Mail: mtaylor@aw.sgi.com Alias|Wavefront Toronto | Voice: (416) 362-8558 x8740 Developer, API Team =D--' http://reality.sgi.com/mtaylor
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:22:28 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5d35q1.5bc.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> >Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz >and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can >they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 >million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! >How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million >transistors!!! Um, while you're right that Mhz is a meaningless statistic, so is number of transistors. The only way to compare cpu's is with meaningful benchmarks (and there are plenty of meaningless ones to stay away from as well). Next someone will start talking about color... >MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Our point is still the same, this is a stupid argument that does nothing but show the world that you don't care to think about things too hard. "Can eat shit" may win arguments on the playground, but in all honesty, I've won more arguments with "is too/is not" repetitions. Big deal, I'm happy with my 486, nice and speedy. -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: rraman@site.gmu.edu (Ravishankar Ramanathan (CSI)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: WTB: NEXTSTEP 3.3 Academic Date: 5 Jan 1997 17:35:06 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <5aoooa$ls7@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am looking for a copy of the NEXTSTEP OS/DEV Academic for NeXT black hardware. Please e-mail me with pricing info (incl. FedEx 2 day shipping.) Thanks -Ravi
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:30:04 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5as5ec$361@duke.squonk.net> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > > > cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) wrote: > > > I like NEXTSTEP's desktop with the floating menu strips and > > > the dock. But I really would like to be able to deal with > > > files with the Finder metaphor > > > > Could you shortly explain to NEXTSTEP users what this special > > "Finder metaphor" is about? > > By 'Finder metaphor' I meant the way the Finder displays each > level of the file hierarchy in a separate window. I haven't had > the opportunity to use NEXTSTEP, and I'm assuming that the File > Viewer doesn't do this. If it in fact does, then I owe an apology > & need to wipe the egg off my face... <grin> For a *similar* effect, you can hold down the option key when double-clicking on a folder icon in the current path (apologies, I am probably using the wrong term there. The section of the File Viewer directly below the shelf-part). Note that this does *not* work when double-clicking on a folder icon in the browser (or icon views) themselves. Thus, it's not quite the same thing. > But whether the Finder is more intuitive or not, there's a bigger > issue -- Apple needs to make this OS feel like an evolutionary > step up from the current MacOS (a big evolutionary step, but an > evolutionary step nonetheless). Some days I agree with this, and other days I wonder about it. Why does this new system, which Apple just paid $400 million for, *have* to look like some sort of mere evolutionary step? I can always agree that they must have a system with a similar look-and-feel and a similar attention to details, but they might benefit if the interface did look a little different. Users might be underwhelmed if they end up with a system that looks exactly the same, after all the hoopla about this being a dramatic new system for Apple. In any case, I suspect that what we see will be close enough to the MacOS for long-time mac users to be comfortable with it. I just wonder if it'd be better to have something more dramatic to show for $400 million. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 01:07:59 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0601970107590001@ascend25.netrover.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> In article <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no>, lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: €Robert Iacullo writes: €: jmiller wrote: €: > €: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: €: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) €: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? € €: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. € € Where can I buy one? € Cheers... Go to http://www.exp.com and place your order. They will be demonstrating the X704 at MacWorld. Or, if you can't get one yet, you can always go for a quad-604e @ 200Mhz UMAX system. (That's four 604e each @ 200Mhz.) What was your Intel at? 200Mhz? Hahahaha... -- GO Mac GO!!!
From: alvin@cse.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: W95 printer driver for Next P.S. Laser printer sharing Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:51:41 GMT Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE Message-ID: <5as6mt$3uk@darkstar.ucsc.edu> References: <32d161eb.3341100@news.hamburg.pop.de> In article <32d161eb.3341100@news.hamburg.pop.de>, David Binette <dbin@sce.de> wrote: >Anybody know what the correct printer driver is? [snip] >I'm wondering if there is a more appropriate printer driver. Take a look at Adobe's WWW site. http://www.adobe.com. Sorry, I don't have the actual pointer for you. >Just what *IS* the NeXT PostScript printer. The printer is basically just the imager. Bitmaps are dumped to the printer from the main CPU. This has the advantage that both the display and printer (if they are on the same machine) use the same Postscript rendering engine. As close to WYSIWYG as you can get. I must add that the NeXT Laser Printer (NLP) has the best paper-handling/image matching combination I've ever seen. If you want a vertical line 1.5" from the edge of the paper, you get a line that is 1.5" away from the edge of the paper. This makes printing labels much less wasteful. I had to print "return address" labels on the tiny 5/8" x 1 3/4" Avery labels. I tried about three different (non-NeXT) laser printers. Only the NLP was able to print a full page and have _every_ label come out right. All the other printers were off enough to make the labels spill over the edges onto neighboring labels. With the NLP, "it just works". The paper output really matches what the drawing program wanted to spit out. It never ceases to amaze me what NeXT was able to pull off. I hope Apple doesn't undo all their efforts. -- Alvin Jee alvin@neander.com http://www.neander.com NeXTMail gleefully accepted!
From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:06:31 +1200 Organization: School of Music, University of Auckland Message-ID: <p.kerr-0701971306310001@news.auckland.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <kindall-0501971914120001@ppp.manual.com> kindall@manual.com (Jerry Kindall) wrote: > Since QDGX already exists and is native PowerPC code, and DPS already > exists as part of the NeXTstep OS which is being ported to the Mac, why > CAN'T we (at least in the long run) have both? Cheez, a choice? How do I decide which one to use? or is it automagic so I don't need to know, or care... ;-) -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland NZ neo-Luddite
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: R/E The NeXT Story Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:26:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ar93c$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <32CD9C97.643F@cfmo.com> <32D09EA9.5E96@transport.com> Gary Driggs <garyd@transport.com> wrote: > The only one I've found > interesting to read at any length is Randall E. Stross's 'Steve Jobs and > the NeXT Big Thing.' I'm curious if anyone out there has feedback on > this title. It was written during the period that Sun and NeXT were squabbling over competitive issues (which development environment is better, etc.). This became pretty heated and personal between Jobs and McNealy who have since mended fences. Much of the dirt in the book apparently came from within Sun, so it probably should be read with a grain of salt. By the time the book was actually published, Sun had just licensed OpenStep from NeXT so much of the book's contents seemed suspicious for those familiar with the situation, but most readers probably weren't aware. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:47:44 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: > just like they will > toss out remaining the remaining "Unixness" of OpenStep. I keep seeing repeated references like the above which is a really foolish notion. Unix is, by far, the richest development and user environment around. Developers using OpenStep don't have to deal with Unix or any underlying operating system for almost all of the functionality a typical app needs. But porting OpenStep using existing Unix system and C library functions is a BIG WIN. Porting OpenStep without this underlying support, as was the case with Windows NT, is a much bigger job with the probability of a buggier implementation greater because much more functionality must be implemented instead of using the proven, stable utilities provided by Unix. When we began moving to NT from NEXTSTEP, we were shocked by the lack of nice, convenient tools under NT. Much of what we took for granted under Unix is missing from NT and must be purchased from 3rd-party vendors. Most users don't have to know about these utilities, but power users certainly appreciate them. I would certainly hate to lose this rich environment. What Apple needs to do is to better cover up Unix system administration, some of which must still be done using a command-line interface under OPENSTEP/Mach. But please don't toss Unix out. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: ebriosus@aol.com (Ebriosus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 7 Jan 1997 02:41:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970107023900.VAA16192@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <AEF6AD74-EA77DC@134.174.152.63> I am a Mac user who works at a company which was an early adopter of NeXT computers, and as such, I don't know what was included with the OS (I have 3.3 on my NeXTstation) and what was custom made. We have an app called (if I remember exactly) Printer Queue. As far as I can tell, it gives all or most of the functionality of the Queue feature of the MacOS desktop printer: I can stop jobs, duplicate jobs, move jobs to other printers. Each assistant has his or her own printer; the queue is not limited to my local printer. Is this the same as the desktop printer? I have never used that feature on my Mac for anything beyond my local printer, but I would guess so. The only added bonus that I can see is that the dekstop icon would be very visual and fairly quick to shove icons into to print; since apps seem to launch faster on my NeXT than my Mac (I assume that this is due to the object nature of NeXT apps), I have no problem with double clicking and immediately issuing a print command. Russell Ahrens
From: Stephen Kreutzer <kreutzer@pipeline.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: getting on web NeXT style Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:24:20 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <32D1C1E1.1A3B@pipeline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to access the web from my nextcube in addition to my present access via my mac. Can anybody reccommend a path to get there: - The best (inexpensive) modem ? - Software (Omniweb vs. Netsurfer) - How difficult it is to set up PPP ? - Other software I might need - Sources for information on how to set up. I am running NS3.2 on a Next cube. I use the Next for its great graphics etc. and am not literate in unix etc. Thanks for the guidance ..... Stephen Kreutzer kreutzer@pipeline.com
From: George Graves <gmgraves@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:52:47 +0000 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D149F8.6070@earthlink.net> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5apps0$p4u@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <32d13df1.15751259@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance Togar wrote: > > t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: > > >In article <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) wrote: > >>lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >> > >>>Robert Iacullo writes: > >>>: jmiller wrote: > >>>: > > >>>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >>>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >>>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > >> > >>>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >> > >>> Where can I buy one? > >>> Cheers.. > >> > >>Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: > >>"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand > >>megahertz or a gigahertz." > >>(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > >> > >>By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > >>mainframe/any cpu? > >> > > > > how big is the cache on this 1000mhz PPC? And how fast is the memory > > system of current system... For many things today its not the CPU that > > the problem, but the memory speed. > > > > Stephan > > > And that really is the point. The Exponential stuff is worthless > without cache that can keep up and there is none at a reasonable > price. Eventually, the data needs to got to main RAM - same problem. > All this is so much fodder for the clueless types who equate CPU > clock rates OR types to system speed. True, but there are ways around this problem, ask Silicon Graphics with their new "O2" machines. George Graves
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:47:50 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E3L7Jq.Lq@micmac.com> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> Cc: ccintron@gte.net In <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> "CesÆr M. Cintron" wrote: > Here's two examples of how way off-target NextStep is/was: > > - OK, it has DisplayPostscript like SGIs do, but in order to customize > your desktop (i.e., add new menus), you actually had to WRITE POSTSCRIPT > CODE! SGI dropped that way of doing things years ago, as did Sun. > Ah Ah Ah!!!!!!!!! You really believe anything!!!!! Tell your "friend" he's a butthead!!! -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 6 Jan 1997 06:57:26 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0501972357290001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com> In article <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > You forget that there is another road here that Developers should be >considering. OpenStep is crossplatform NOW on Mach, Solaris and NT, soon to >be an Apple OS. If the DPS functionality was ripped from the Apple product, >Apple looses its cross-platform advantages which it just got. DPS is part >of the OpenStep spec. And if OpenStep/Mach is so easy to port, then the new Mac OS (and it *is* the new *MAC* OS...not the new NeXT OS) should be equally easy to port. You are asking a whole bunch of Apple users to re-write applications for DPS. It's a lot easier for the VERY small numbers of NeXT application to need re-writing to work with GX. And keep in mind Apple BOUGHT NeXT. They did NOT buy NextStep, or OpenStep. They bought the company. They can do whatever they want with this operating system, and if that means gutting it in order to BORG the best of the current Mac OS and OpenStep to make the next Mac OS (I keep saying that...it *is* the Mac OS, not just a NeXT port to work on a PowerMac) kick ass, then that's what needs to be done. >>If DPS is to replace Quickdraw, then NONE of the current Mac applications >>are going to work, and a whole new crop of printer drivers will need to be >>written. > > Wha? None of the Mac applications are going to run anyways until >some emulation is written. What is native to the new OS is hardly relevant. Wrong. We are talking about a lot of re-writing of current applications for the NEW operating system which otherwise could look for QX instead of DPS. I'm not talking about System 7 applications. I'm talking about PhotoShop for MacOS 8. The current few DTP and graphic design applications dependant on GX are in my opinion (and those who use them) superior to Adobe and Quark's PS print engines built into their own application to do an end run around the operating system. I believe the first thing will be OpenStep for PowerMac with modifications. But Mac OS 8 will have removed all remaining Unix from OpenStep, and I believe they will stick GX in their along with other API's like QTML and QuickDraw 3D. > The printer drivers arguement is rather bogus. How difficult is it >to take a pre-rendered bitmap of the page and spew it to a printer. Right, now difficult? How many PostScript interpreters are there out there for under $300? Not that many. I believe there is one for around $150 or so for the Stylewriters. Only one other I can think of that works with the Hewlett Packard printers, and it has problems. These interpreters are big too. They take up a healthy chunk of RAM. > It sure won't be hard to get it working on Postscript printers. Well of course not. The problem is with the 90% of printers used by Mac users that aren't PostScript printers. > Apple has also said that compatibility is not likely in the first >incarnation. Apple also has admited that compatibility is what killed the >Copland. If they don't ship a working emulator with the next release, then they will have WORSE compatibility problems than Microsoft has done with their move from Windows 3.1 to Windows NT. Windows95 runs 3.1 apps, and 97 runs 3.1 apps, and NT runs 3.1 and 95 apps. It came WITH the package. If Apple doesn't do this, they are asking for problems. > Apple has spent millions and millions of dollars on many >technologies that haven't been widely accepted or have been abandoned as >failures or near failures. Copland, Pink, Taligent, Newton (not the success >that it was to be), Pippin (oh, sorry thats _next years_ failure). > > Apple didn't spend millions and millions on NeXT to just stick it on >the shelf. How easily you contradict yourself - and almost in the same paragraph. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 6 Jan 1997 23:13:43 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <5as0v7$k6a@white.koehntopp.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <tgritton-ya023180000401970835510001@news.sprynet.com> <5apflt$r0d@duke.squonk.net> <tgritton-ya023180000601970958560001@news.sprynet.com> tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) writes: >As this discussion illustrates perferences differ. Mac users have always >been able to get nice GUI addons to suite their preferred working habits. >Has this been true for Next users? Are there nice addons in the NeXT >environment for navigating and representing ones content space? ( on Mac >side see <ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/gui/> ) No, of course not. The Nextstep GUI is completely cast in stone and may not be altered in any way under the threat of severe punishment. Next has indeed special hit teams out there brutally squashing any attempt to liberate Nextstep users from this severe restriction and they do very bloody, but effective work. I'm sorry to inform you of this fact, which is partly responsible for the non-success of Nextstep, but hey: There has to be a price being paid for using a product designed by a GUI god like Steve! And I can tell you that it's worth it! Soon you will be converted into a true follower just like us Next folks. Now, please change the topic. We Next users are a bit sensitive in this area. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "<laura> Das muss ich nicht pollen, das angel ich mir aus dem spool." -- Beruehmte letzte Worte.
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 6 Jan 1997 23:17:18 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <5as15u$k6l@white.koehntopp.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) writes: >By 'Finder metaphor' I meant the way the Finder displays each level of the >file hierarchy in a separate window. I haven't had the opportunity to use >NEXTSTEP, and I'm assuming that the File Viewer doesn't do this. If it in >fact does, then I owe an apology & need to wipe the egg off my face... ><grin> Nextstep's file manager navigates directories without opening new windows unless you request it (by selecting a directory and pressing Cmd-O or selecting File->Open as folder). >nonetheless). Unfortunately, superior technology and superior design don't >by themselves sell computers or OSes -- Apple first and foremost has to >protect its current users and keep its third-party developers on board. And >I think that completely ditching the Finder might be a bad mistake in this >regard. Start->Execute... WINFILE.EXE. No problem. :-) Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "<laura> Das muss ich nicht pollen, das angel ich mir aus dem spool." -- Beruehmte letzte Worte.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:42:35 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0701971942350001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <5afitj$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-0201972152300001@shiva1-mclean-252.his.com> In article <rzeman-0201972152300001@shiva1-mclean-252.his.com>, rzeman@his.com (Rick Zeman) wrote: >And it's really nice sending complex Postscript jobs to the printer. I've >never seen it gag because it didn't have enough memory as QuickDraw GX is >smart enough to just download the glyphs that are used instead of the >entire font. I seem to recall a posting on the GX user mailing list (it wasn't you, was it Rick?) from somebody who was beta-testing some fonts. All he had was an ancient LaserWriter Plus (with a gigantic 2MB of RAM! Remember them?), and when he tried to print 2-3 font samples per page, using the (Adobe-developed) LaserWriter 8 driver, he had no success at all. So then he tried QuickDraw GX, with all its font-subsetting and other memory-management smarts (no, I don't think the application that was printing the samples actually knew anything about GX). And it worked! Next-generation printing architecture meets antediluvian printing hardware, and the result is success! For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DPS does GX (LARGE, 2 attachments) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:50:19 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0701971950190001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <ldo-3012961239120001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a79oi$ch6@news3.digex.net> <5a88d0$fe1$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <ldo-0101970625280001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <p.kerr-0501971928150001@news.auckland.ac.nz> In article <p.kerr-0501971928150001@news.auckland.ac.nz>, p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) wrote: >In article <ldo-0101970625280001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, >ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: >> Last time I looked at the standard PostScript Level 2 specification, there >> was *no* option that I could find for selecting the rule for deciding how >> much of a pixel a shape had to cross before the pixel was filled. Perhaps >> you would care to point out what I've been missing, or how you can >> implement a procedure in standard PostScript that solves such a >> resolution-dependent problem in a resolution-independent way? > >Why would we need to do that? >If the problem is resolution-dependent, then it's device-dependent, >and the device's rip deals with it in its own way. No it doesn't. The PostScript specification states that, if any part of a filled shape crosses the area of a pixel, then the pixel is filled. This is the way ALL PostScript (and PDF, and Bravo) rasterizers work. Thus, at lower resolutions, you can see the odd effect that I demonstrate in those example files (the URLs are <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/GXLogo.PDF> and <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/SixRectangles.PDF>, for those who missed them previously). Conversely, QuickDraw GX specifies that a pixel is only filled if the shape overlaps its centre. This avoids the resolution-dependent misalignment problem, though its drawback is that very thin shapes can completely disappear. But there is a technique for working around this in at least some situations--whereas there is no workaround for the PostScript problem. For more info about QuickDraw GX, the next-generation graphics/printing architecture with a high-quality, *fully-editable* graphics interchange format, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: "Eddie Cejvan" <cejvane@post.crc.cra.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:46:49 GMT Organization: CRA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> Frank <chu@ipoline.com> wrote in article <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com>... >The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 > million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! > How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million > transistors!!! Plus, a fully configured Pentium200 can be had for under > $1500, can you get the same price/performance with a >180mhz< 604e PPC > chip computer?! Which costs at least 3 times that amount! > > MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit > My suggestion is that you do some reading on the subject before you reply to Newsgroup posts. My mother used to say: "Better to be quiet and have people suspect your idiocy then to open your mouth a remove their doubt." If you can get your hands on BYTE November 1996 you might understand (depending on your IQ) the differences between CISC and RISC CPUs. Stated within is that a 603e running at 200MHz will outperform a Pentium Pro at the same speed. I will leave you with this thought: Reduced Instruction Set = Less Transistors = Lower Cost. You've just been shut up by Eddie Cejvan
From: Ian Russell Ollmann <iano@scripps.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:48:15 -0800 Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970106233858.26441E-100000@wong> References: <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Terry Wilcox <terry@arcane.com> In-Reply-To: <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Terry Wilcox wrote: > Rapid Remedies wrote: > > Apple did not spend millions and millions of dollars on Quickdraw GX after > > looking at DPS to just end up using DPS. They can be short sighted > > (frequently), but not suicidal. There is no way that DPS has a future in > > the next Mac OS. > I'm actually kind of impressed by this statement. It sums up the Mac > user sentiment so concisely. > From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: > Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. > Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. > Apple didn't buy NeXT for the interface, it'll use the Mac interface. > Does anybody see a trend here? It would seem that Apple bought NeXT so > it could ship Copland. Well, if it's going to ship Copland, why buy > NeXT? Why consider buying Be? > Conversely, Apple did not spend hundreds of millions of dollars on NeXT > after failing with Copland, just to use Copland. Well, even at this level of cynicism, which says that they did pay $400M to replace Copland with Copland, there is still an answer -- Apple paid $400 million dollars for two reasons: 1) To thumb their nose at Gassee 2) and more importantly, they get an excuse to spend another year on Copland development. besides, they do get a more crossplatform product, an environment designed to use objective C, the enterprise oriented webobjects, Steve Jobs (bucking for Guy Kawasaki's job), a brain trust refil, those swanky NeXT coporate offices, and most of all "a strategy". (is there a Top Ten list in here somewhere?) Ian Ollmann
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:43:55 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0701972043550001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5aiflr$3ts@news3.digex.net> <32CE2D66.25B@trilithon.com> In article <32CE2D66.25B@trilithon.com>, henry@trilithon.com wrote: >John Kheit wrote: > > * ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > * * By the way, aren't there some limitations built > * * into the size of bitmaps that Display PostScript > * * can generate, deliberately put in to prevent you > * * from using it to print PostScript on non-PostScript > * * printers? > > * Under NeXTSTEP, I don't think there is an actual limit, > * but that by software license Adobe doesn't want you to > * print over 900dpi w/o forking over more money to them > * (think 75bux?)... If I got it wrong, someone correct > * me...I sense I got something above wrong, but not sure > * if it's the fee of the DPI... >This issue of ``limitations on the size of bitmaps'' has >reached the status of urban legend by now. But it's no "legend"--it's true, right? >Notice how >Mister Lawrence ``Contextual Forms'' D¹Oliveiro places the >most possible negative slant on the issue --- `deliberately... >to prevent....'', as if Adobe were another Evil Empire and >Next their lackeys. It's no accident that the limitation is there. It's not some design or implementation limitation of the Display PostScript architecture, something that crept in while Adobe's clever engineers weren't looking--it's entirely a licensing restriction, being intentionally enforced in the software--and not just under NeXTStep, but in *all* Display PostScript implementations. How much more "deliberate" do you want to get...? >The 900 DPI limitation was a restriction that imagesetter >manufacturers like Linotype-Hell insisted on. If the >restriction were not there, then instead of spending >$100,000 on a high-end imagesetter, you'd rather spend >a few thousand on a Pentium-class box and run NextStep. And you don't see a problem with this? You think this is the best deal for customers--for their own good, perhaps? Somehow the phrase "PostScript spin doctor" comes to mind... For info about an un-crippled, next-generation graphics/printing architecture that gets you out of PostScript jail, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:55:43 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net> In article <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: >> The trouble with PostScript is, it's not just the imaging model, >> it's all the programming-language baggage that goes with it. >> Consider what happens when someone gives you a Level 2 PostScript >> file, but all you've got is a Level 1 PostScript printer to print >> it on. Identical imaging model, right? But can you print it? Not >> a hope. > >Some think that's it strength. Furthermore... I've had no problems >printing from DPS Level 2 to a level 1 printer. It just works. Wow. Let me get this straight--if you have a PostScript program that creates a dictionary with a maxlength of six, and tries to put seven things into it, and send that to a Level 1 printer, then it will magically work fine, just because you've got Display PostScript on your desktop? >Also, the relatively simple composting required to get transparencies >to print have already been done in several apps, and would be >relatively easy to implement system wide... Feel free to try dashing off a few lines of PostScript code to implement the effects described at <http://www.larisoftware.com/Support/Inks.html> and <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/gx/transfermodes.html> and <http://www.info.apple.com/gx/TM/transfermode.html>. I'll expect to see an essentially complete outline of your proposed implementation in your next posting. :) >> That's why QuickDraw GX lets you take a step backwards from all >> this nonsense, so you can create high-quality graphics without >> having to worry about the limitations of PostScript. > >Sill limitations like actually printing w/o problems... The problems have been ongoing with the old QuickDraw printing architecture. Every time some major revision of a driver came out, applications would break left and right. Spend a few days on comp.sys.mac.printing, and see all the moaning about LaserWriter 8.4.x. And commiserate with the owners of HP DeskJets who would like to use the Desktop PrintMonitor kludge, but can't. Yes, the problems moving from QuickDraw to GX printing have been no better (so far) than moving between different versions of QuickDraw printing. But the expectation is that the pain will level off, simply because the GX printing architecture is so much cleaner in the way it does things. Some things do actually work better under GX than under old QuickDraw. GX can really give a new lease of life to older PostScript printers with limited RAM. For more info about the next-generation graphics and printing architecture that is QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:07:29 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0701972107290001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <rzeman-0101972041150001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101972230330001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301972140450001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5aj612$ied@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5aj612$ied@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: >On 01/03/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > >> Put it in perspective: that 1MB of RAM costs US$10 or so at current >> prices. And yes, you *do* get benefits to Netscape and ClarisWorks from >> the GX printing architecture. For example, you can paste GX graphics into >> ClarisWorks documents, view them on-screen at full quality at any >> magnification, and print them on both PostScript and non-PostScript >> printers (try that with EPS graphics). >> >Umm, many people do this regularly with EPS... a whole range of >non-PostScript printers is supported by NEXTSTEP. You mean as a built-in feature of the standard OS, or as an extra-cost add-on? >> Or you could do double-sided >> printing of Web pages from Netscape. What non-GX software can you get for >> US$10 that will give you these sorts of features? >> >Umm, I can print out directly from OmniWeb and NetSurfer on NEXTSTEP for >free. Are those the only two applications? I only mentioned Netscape because that was what was specified in the posting I was replying to. You see, Netscape itself has no support for selection of odd/even page printing. Neither do any of the GX printer drivers I use. After all, such a feature would be useful regardless of which printer you might have, or which application you might be printing from. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to require every printer driver or every application to directly support it. Instead, GX supports the concept of "printing extensions", that hook into the printing process in-between the driver and the application, to customize it in a clean and well-behaved fashion. An example of such a printing extension is Duplex Helper <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/sw/index.html#DuplexHelper>, which is specifically designed to ease the job of doing double-sided printing on single-sided printers. There are others, such as Peirce Print Tools <http://www.peircesw.com>, which do N-up printing, watermarks, and other fun stuff. Remember, these products work across a range of different applications, and across a range of different printer drivers! > And if I want I can save the page to a PostScript or PDF file (can you >save directly to a PDF file using GX -- third-party products are allowed)? Funnily enough--have a look at Tumbler <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/sw/index.html#Tumbler>, which I believe is the lowest-cost tool for producing PDF files with high-quality text and graphics on *any* platform. Some samples of its output are available at <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/>. For more info about the next-generation graphics and printing architecture that makes applications like Tumbler possible, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 7 Jan 1997 08:09:24 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <5at0bk$mkb@white.koehntopp.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5as5ec$361@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: >In any case, I suspect that what we see will be close enough to >the MacOS for long-time mac users to be comfortable with it. I >just wonder if it'd be better to have something more dramatic to >show for $400 million. Now, is the Win'95 look an evolutionary step from the Win 3.1 look? For me, it looks more like an evolutionary step from Nextstep, but I am not sure about the direction. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 7 Jan 1997 07:59:38 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> Frank <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz >and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can >they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 >million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! >How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million >transistors!!! They do it with better design. For example, PPCs do not sacrifice tons of transistors to emulate an outdated and long bygone CPU with 16 bit registers and an obsolete memory addressing model. For example, PPCs do not have to shift operands from register to register because certain instructions require their operands in certain registers. For example, PPCs do not have to access memory as often as Pentiums, because they have a decent number of general purpose registers. All this results in quite impressive performance. The highly respected german c't magazine ("c't - Magazin fuer Computertechnik, Heise publishing, Hannover") has benchmarked old Pentium processors against new MMX pentium processors using specialized, supposedly MMX friendly tasks relating with image processing. They also used special MMX optimized machine code for the MMX processors to make sure the new MMX chips run at optimal performance. Among the field of tested machines they also had a PPC based untuned Apple from the same price range as the Pentium machines tested for comparison. This PPC ran the same tests using normal machine generated native machine code. c't found that MMX can substantially improve the throughput of a Pentium for certain well optimized, very specialized applications. But the PPC was just as fast to substantially faster than the MMX for all cases tested by c't with normal, unoptimized code and without MMX extensions, which are not available for PPC yet. So the conclusion is that MMX fixes some special cases where the Pentium is broken by design, while the PPCs design is generally right. c't also found that the memory interface of the PPC machine was very unoptimized compared to the Pentium PCs tested and that quite impressive acceleration of PPCs would be possible if the PPC board had a similarly effective memory interface as the Pentium processors. This is not a matter of processor design, but addresses board designer issues instead. So another conclusion of the test was that while the PPC was outrunning the Intel machines in the test, it still was not running at full speed due to the comparatively lame memory interface. c't suggested that the PPC people also introduced MMX extensions to the PPC, but merely for marketing reasons: there is no technical need to screw up a nice, expandable and working design for some seldomly used special purpose application. Please note that these tests conducted by c't were using fixed point or integer arithmetics - things that the MMX extensions are supposedly specialized for. If the comparison had been made with FPU using applications, the Intels would have lost even higher due to their notoriously abysmal floating point performance. Please also note that Intels cannot combine MMX applications with FPU applications, because access to the FPU blocks the data path to the MMX extension hardware on the chip. This is true when switching between MMX and FPU within the same application, but it is also true when multitasking between pure MMX and pure FPU applications. The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking operating systems. >Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz >and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. The Alpha is a very nice processor, but also a severe case of trading memory for speed. Just compare code sizes of text and data segments for a statically linked GNU emacs on Linux for Intel processors, Linux for PPC and Linux for Alphas. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer
From: jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 04:46:52 -0400 Organization: Rogers Communications Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Lasse Olsen <lolsen@hsr.no> Lasse Olsen wrote: > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > Where can I buy one? > Cheers... The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY.
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 7 Jan 1997 08:52:16 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5at2s0$7d2@news.xmission.com> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <cwood41-ya023080000601971303180001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5as5ec$361@duke.squonk.net> <5at0bk$mkb@white.koehntopp.de> KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: > Now, is the Win'95 look an evolutionary step from the Win 3.1 > look? > > For me, it looks more like an evolutionary step from Nextstep, > but I am not sure about the direction. Down. Definitely down. As a person who uses both, I assure you that Win 95 is a step down from NEXTSTEP. By the same token, Win 3.1 is a deadly chasm... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:19:55 GMT Organization: TNI Message-ID: <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) wrote: >> No one is going to throw out Windows for MacStep simply because it has >> a prettier interface, or is "original". > No. They will only throw out Windows for MacStep if- > > Windows doesn't work as advertised and they figure this out It seems to work for most people most of the time. MacStep will have to work better. For example: better multitasking performance than is now available with Windows NT on two Pentium Pros. > MacStep works and also becomes available on PC hardware It doesn't work yet. (I agree about the need for PC hardware support.) > MacStep makes Unix server functionality available at no added cost How many millions of people need Unix server functionality? You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will get the best applications, and get them soonest? ------ John De Hoog dehoog@super.zippo.com
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 04:25:08 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jcr.852517036@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: )Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that )GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a )vertical frame interval, isn't it? *No* Consider a realtime video editing app. You have to allocate time for reading the data from the HD, decompressing the possibly multiple streams of audio and video, apply the 2D effects and transitions, and then display. GX and DPS would be handling the latter 2 stages. If DPS takes significantly longer than GX you start to run the risk of dropping lots of frames which of course eliminates one of the most compelling features of the app. Right now such an app exists for GX in a 'Lite' form the 'Pro' version is due in June. GX transfer modes, transform, and clipping, and viewport effects are used for its realtime effects. Since no such app exists for DPS, we can not determine whether it can do real-time transparency effects fast enough to use on running video. A vertical blank for one frame is certainly *not* fast enough. Further we don't know how fast a transfer mode implementation would be if implemented in the actual Postscript code or in the Appkit. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 13:05:42 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5athn6$459@www.langen.bull.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0501972357290001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> Cc: remedies@rapidremedies.com In <remedies-0501972357290001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> Chris Murphy wrote: > In article <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott > Anguish) wrote: > > You forget that there is another road here that Developers should be > >considering. OpenStep is crossplatform NOW on Mach, Solaris and NT, soon to > >be an Apple OS. If the DPS functionality was ripped from the Apple product, > >Apple looses its cross-platform advantages which it just got. DPS is part > >of the OpenStep spec. > > > And if OpenStep/Mach is so easy to port, then the new Mac OS (and it *is* > the new *MAC* OS...not the new NeXT OS) should be equally easy to port. > You are asking a whole bunch of Apple users to re-write applications for > DPS. It's a lot easier for the VERY small numbers of NeXT application to > need re-writing to work with GX. Of course the new Mac OS will have both DPS and GX. There are two ways to handle both GX and DPS that I did not see yet in this whole debate: 1) Both GX and DPS have a way to "poke a hole in the screen" for direct usage by an application. That would make it easy to incorporate bot drawing models into the new OS by using one as the base model for the workspace and poke holes wherever an application window uses the other drawing model. A problem could occur with non-rectangular windows or programs that draw on the screen background using the "other" drawing model. 2) GX obviously has a built-in facility to map its output to a PostScript device, usually a printer. So it should be really easy to use a DPS screen as a virtual printer. The OS would have to map GX calls to GX calls with automatic translation to (Display) PostScript. That would make GX based programs slower than they are now. OTOH it would give more reliable WYSIWYG, although the WYS part might not be very pretty with the misbehaved programs from you-know-who. Animation could be a problem, as well as speed. Whaddya say, flamers united? Volker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> From: shill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean Hill) Message-ID: <32d24cc7.0@cisun2000.unil.ch> Date: 7 Jan 97 13:16:55 GMT dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) wrote: > It seems to work for most people most of the time. MacStep will have > to work better. For example: better multitasking performance than is > now available with Windows NT on two Pentium Pros. > I run Win NT4.0 and OpenStep 4.0 on the same hardware. OpenStep is much snappier. People are going to like this. Sean
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 7 Jan 97 13:36:22 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> Originator: doenges@nelion.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) writes: >> MacStep makes Unix server functionality available at no added cost >How many millions of people need Unix server functionality? Anybody who operates a computer network. >You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will >get the best applications, and get them soonest? Theoretically (8^) MacStep, because NeXTStep is supposed to be very easy to programm, and I don't think Apple will sacrifice this feature in MacStep. In practice, I'd guess mainstream applications like Microsoft's Office will be availible on WindowsNT first, (maybe even exclusively) while MacStep will attract smaller MacStep-only vendors (if MacStep is as portable as OpenStep, this is not really a problem, because you can run OpenStep on top of WindowsNT). I think Apple, if they play their cards right, can take a significant portion of the personal computer and low- to medium end workstation markets. I just hope they don't become a virtual monopoly like Microsoft. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: Marc Nagy <mnagy@freenet.npiec.on.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 10:40:41 -0500 Organization: Zero Reality BBS Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D26E79.4D60@freenet.npiec.on.ca> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > processors. The PowerPC chip is a generartion ahead of the pentium. The > MacOS even hobbled by nonnative I/O routines can still keep up with the > Pentiums. The PowerPC was designed to have a hefty FPU. It is the role > of programmers to use it. Well, I'm in computer science at university and we use PowerPCs and Codewarrior software for JAVA programming. At home, I use a Pentium and my machine at home does circles around the PowerlessPC's at school as far as compiling time.
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 16:21:22 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> On 01/07/97, Eric King wrote: > In article <jcr.852517036@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > > )Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that > )GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a > )vertical frame interval, isn't it? > > *No* Consider a realtime video editing app. You have to allocate time > for reading the data from the HD, decompressing the possibly multiple > streams of audio and video, apply the 2D effects and transitions, and then > display. GX and DPS would be handling the latter 2 stages. If DPS takes > significantly longer than GX you start to run the risk of dropping lots of > frames which of course eliminates one of the most compelling features of > the app. > Right now such an app exists for GX in a 'Lite' form the 'Pro' version > is due in June. GX transfer modes, transform, and clipping, and viewport > effects are used for its realtime effects. Since no such app exists for > DPS, we can not determine whether it can do real-time transparency effects > fast enough to use on running video. A vertical blank for one frame is > certainly *not* fast enough. Further we don't know how fast a transfer mode > implementation would be if implemented in the actual Postscript code or in > the Appkit. > Umm, well... one of the demos which apparently wowed AppLE engineers was five NEXTIME videos running simultaneously... ... apart from that, you make a couple of what I think are false assertions about video-editing s/w for DPS: The NeXTDimension certainly allowed direct video playback (PAL and NTSC) in 1991/2, including the ability to rescale the window, chop bits out of it whilst it was running, spray on paint, words etc. I guess it cheated by having the DPS server running on a different processor, but it shows it can be done in principle. There are also other video-editing apps available for NEXSTTEP/Intel, e.g. ScreenMachine II. I don't, unfortunately, know their full capabilities, but they clearly must allow some video editing undre DPS... I'm not sure how much of these capabilities are due to punching holeds in the DPS display. Comments? Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: "Dale Friesen" <dalef@bolen.bc.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 7 Jan 97 09:08:27 -0800 Organization: Island Net in Victoria, B.C. Canada Message-ID: <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.islandnet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.islandnet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Sak Wathanasin wrote: :> I've ported several MFC appls to the Mac using MacApp and the frameworks :> are similar enough that I don't think I'll have that much trouble learning :> MFC. Learning the "New MacStep" is going to be a much bigger investment. So :> far, I haven't seen anything that tells me that such an investment will pay :> off. I look forward to being convinced otherwise. :Hold off! Im not a Next expert.. but there has to be a market otherwise NEXT :would have gone out of business years ago. There HAS to be applications for :it now, so there wont be a lack of applications at launch. :Applications are 'apparently' easier to write on the Next, due to its :object orientated nature. Reviewers have said (when the NEXTCube initially :came out) that objects could be drag-and-dropped together to create :applications in a very short space of time. That was part of the appeal. :There is a wealth of source code on the net, so you can program by example. :Altura (??) will be creating some sort of porting-technology like mac2win. Please pardon my ignorance, but since NeXT runs on different CPUs is it necessary to recompile for each? Or are the APIs fairly high level such that you can write something for NeXT, drop it on a CD-ROM and anyone running the OS (regardless of hardware) can use it? If the latter, will this include the Mac running Rhapsody (the NeXT-based MacOS)? :regards.. :-vlod :no intended flame.. :-) Thanks for any info. - Dale
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Dec Quiz - last call ! Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:29:30 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5au15q$i0h@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for the SSS December quiz on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, please hurry! Deadline is January 15th. The winners - as always drawn by my nieces - will receive a free HelpViewer or LatinByrd license! Or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:09:04 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0701970809040001@ascend17.netrover.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> In article <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com>, Frank <chu@ipoline.com> wrote: €Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz €and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can €they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 €million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! The 486 is CISC based and the X704 is RISC. The X704 will leave a 200PPro in the dust! €How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million €transistors!!! Plus, a fully configured Pentium200 can be had for under Transistors have absolutely nothing to do with raw processing speed. €Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz €and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. Too bad NT is not being supported on Alpha platforms...or _any_ RISC chip! €MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Not as well as you can shovel it. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry, to sew, stitch together; a portion of an epic poem adapted for recitation; a highly emotional utterance or literary work: extravagant rapturous discourse, RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:31:02 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: world Message-ID: <jinx6568-0701971233070001@news.sover.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> In article <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > What Apple needs to do is to better cover up Unix system administration, > some of which must still be done using a command-line interface under > OPENSTEP/Mach. But please don't toss Unix out. Hmm.. I can deal with that. I do hope they can optimize Unix in _some_ way, but if it really and truly is _not_ my problem, then I can't reasonably have any gripe with it. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 10:26:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: >Umm, well... one of the demos which apparently wowed AppLE engineers was >five >NEXTIME videos running simultaneously... > Hehehehehe. One of the allegedly "wowed" Apple engineers commented on semper-fi that such demos are bogus. They showed a simple Cinepak movie with non-compressed sound. If they were showing 5 or 10 layers of composited video with alpha channels, sprites, text tracks, MIDI, 3D rendering, etc., THEN he would have been impressed. As it was, he was laughing. The problem is, from all that we can gather, NO Apple engineer was shown one of these demos. They were all upper-level management, most of whom have only been at Apple for a few months. All of whom apparently don't know a thing about Apple technology, such as GX's multi-language capabilities, [note: the projected ability of the *next* version of NeXTStep to do what GX is already doing in shipping products in China and Israel is called "vaporware" except when you're trying to justify a $400,000,000.00 purchase to the press] QuickTime abilities, [note demoing trivial playback of 5 movies to convince someone of speed when *REAL* QuickTime movies are doing 5-10x as much processing per frame, merely shows how ignorant the people that you are demoing these movies to because they actually took the demo seriously] and so on. >.... apart from that, you make a couple of what I think are false assertions >about video-editing s/w for DPS: > >The NeXTDimension certainly allowed direct video playback (PAL and NTSC) in >1991/2, including the ability to rescale the window, chop bits out of it >whilst it was running, spray on paint, words etc. I guess it cheated by >having the DPS server running on a different processor, but it shows it can >be done in principle. > Hardly applies to Eric's point, which was about shipping products on a single processor machine. >There are also other video-editing apps available for NEXSTTEP/Intel, e.g. >ScreenMachine II. I don't, unfortunately, know their full capabilities, but >they clearly must allow some video editing undre DPS... > >I'm not sure how much of these capabilities are due to punching holeds in the >DPS display. > >Comments? > Since you don't know whether these are using dedicated graphics, or using DPS calls directly, your "counter-examples" are absolutely meaningless. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com.nonsense> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 14:52:28 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32D2A97C.5577@exnext.com.nonsense> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lawson English wrote: > > mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: > > >Umm, well... one of the demos which apparently wowed AppLE engineers was > >five > >NEXTIME videos running simultaneously... > > > > Hehehehehe. One of the allegedly "wowed" Apple engineers commented on > semper-fi that such demos are bogus. They showed a simple Cinepak movie > with non-compressed sound. > > If they were showing 5 or 10 layers of composited video with alpha > channels, sprites, text tracks, MIDI, 3D rendering, etc., THEN he would > have been impressed. As it was, he was laughing. And what were the legendary BeOS movies doing? Were they using the complete QuickTime package? -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: douyang@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Darwin Ouyang) Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3nG0s.Gyy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:04 GMT Distribution: inet References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: >Frank <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >Please also note that Intels cannot combine MMX applications >with FPU applications, because access to the FPU blocks the >data path to the MMX extension hardware on the chip. This is true. Intel chips would be better if they had more registers, and an orthagonal instruction set. :( >The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking >operating systems. This is incorrect. Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. Darwin Ouyang
From: Christopher Rath <crath@nortel.ca> Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: Finding the file(s) which occupy a block on SCSI disk Followup-To: comp.unix.admin Date: 07 Jan 1997 12:24:54 -0500 Organization: Northern Telecom Ltd., Ottawa, Canada Message-ID: <iwkwwtppfdl.fsf@bmerhe83.nortel.ca> My system is a NeXTstation Mono running NEXTSTEP 3.3patch. The drive in question is a 1gig Quantum Fireball. I've cross-posted to these groups since NEXTSTEP is a BSD 4.3-ish UNIX derivative. I lost a sector on my hard-disk. I then used NEXTSTEP's reasb command to reassign the block. Unfortunately reasb was unable to read the old data from the block before issuing the reassign block command to the disk. Has anyone written some code to scan the filesystem of a disk to find the file(s) that is occupying a specific block on the disk? I would like to reinstall the damaged file, however, I don't know which file was damaged because the disk wouldn't even mount until I reassigned the block. Once reassigned, fsck was able to `fix' the disk. My effort to scan the disk is simply a double check to verify everything's OK. I have done some searching of the archives and haven't turned up anything on this; however, someone has probably written a utility to do this at one time or another. Thanks, Christopher === Christopher Rath ===== crath@bnr.ca ===== (613) 765-3141 === Northern Telecom Ltd. | Box 3511, Station `C' | ``Hydrogen is a colourless, odourless Ottawa, ON K1Y 4H7 | gas which, given enough time, turns FAX: (613) 763-4101 | into people.'' --- Henry Hiebert
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: 7 Jan 1997 11:58:25 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <5atdp1$gq@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <akac-0601970109270001@slip-104-30.ots.utexas.edu> "Alex kac" <akac@mail.utexas.edu> wrote: > Desktop printers are mainly useful to see what is going on with your > printer. I see. In NEXTSTEP, you have PrinterManager.app (with a printer icon :-) ) that does exactly that, so it seems the functionality is there, just differently labeled. Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com.nonsense> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 15:04:59 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32D2AC6B.5E79@exnext.com.nonsense> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <jinx6568-0701971233070001@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com > (Art Isbell) wrote: > > What Apple needs to do is to better cover up Unix system administration, > > some of which must still be done using a command-line interface under > > OPENSTEP/Mach. But please don't toss Unix out. > > Hmm.. I can deal with that. I do hope they can optimize Unix in _some_ > way, but if it really and truly is _not_ my problem, then I can't > reasonably have any gripe with it. There's nothing to stop people from writing alternate, safer versions of the standard Unix utilities. As long as they don't interfere with the expected behavior of the present utilities, there's no problem. They can be named differently, or else implement a superset of the normal functionality. Even NeXT does this. They've got tar, but they also ship gnutar with the OS. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: bootstrp@vnet.net (Nathan Tennies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking For NeXT User In Charlotte Date: 7 Jan 1997 20:49:28 GMT Organization: Bootstrap Enterprises Inc Message-ID: <bootstrp-0701971552050001@bootstrap.vnet.net> Howdy folks, I'm the program coordinator for the Mac user group in Charlotte. Given all the hype about the merger, I thought it would be good for our members to see the current state of the NeXT first-hand, and get an idea for what makes NeXT so cool. I realize that the final version of Raphsody won't look and act like the NeXT, but I letting Mac folks start drooling over the possibilities would be good. So, I'm looking for a NeXT user in the Charlotte area who would be willing to come to one of our meetings in the next few months and give a presentation on the NeXT. I don't care whether you are a cube owner or you use NeXT on an Intel machine; if you or someone you know might be able to help out, I'd appreciate it. Nathan Tennies Charlotte Apple Computer Club
From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:50:57 +1200 Organization: School of Music, University of Auckland Message-ID: <p.kerr-0801970850570001@news.auckland.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <rex-ya023080000201970705000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5ah3kr$clq@news4.digex.net> <chris-0401972351160001@den-co15-19.ix.netcom.com> <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0501972357290001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5athn6$459@www.langen.bull.de> vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > Of course the new Mac OS will have both DPS and GX. > > There are two ways to handle both GX and DPS snip OTOH it would give more reliable WYSIWYG, > although the WYS part might not be very pretty with the misbehaved programs > from you-know-who. Animation could be a problem, as well as speed. > > Whaddya say, flamers united? I keep thinking of a similar debate which flares up from time to time in rec.music.compose, about computer apps for music notation. The consensus amongst professional musicians seems to be that hand drawn manuscript is faster to do and more "musical" for the players. A sharp knife, a goose quill, pot of ink, sheet of vellum: WYSIWYG? Nah, just an old-fashioned vector imaging system, speed and accuracy determined by hand-eye co-ordination. There would be no problems with any of this DPS/QD/GX/whatever stuff if people didn't have to read it... -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland NZ neo-Luddite
From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:24:30 +1200 Organization: School of Music, University of Auckland Message-ID: <p.kerr-0801970924300001@news.auckland.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > In article <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > Furthermore... I've had no problems > >printing from DPS Level 2 to a level 1 printer. It just works. > > Wow. Let me get this straight--if you have a PostScript program that > creates a dictionary with a maxlength of six, and tries to put seven > things into it, and send that to a Level 1 printer, then it will magically > work fine, just because you've got Display PostScript on your desktop? That must be the amazing PostScript laundering engine that seems to be embedded in NextStep. Now if Apple has bought and intends bundling it in the MacOS I just can't wait to get my hands on it :-) Maybe Steve Jobs should have gone to work for Adobe... > > > >Sill limitations like actually printing w/o problems... > > The problems have been ongoing with the old QuickDraw printing > architecture. Every time some major revision of a driver came out, > applications would break left and right. Is this a problem with QD? or with DOS minded programmers who couldn't/wouldn't follow Apple's API guidelines? > And commiserate with the owners of HP DeskJets who would like to use the > Desktop PrintMonitor kludge, but can't. AFAIK it's HP's fault some DeskJets won't work thru the Printer port or with AppleTalk on. -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland NZ neo-Luddite
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 22:11:55 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5auhnb$98d@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> In-Reply-To: <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> On 01/07/97, "Lawson English" wrote: <lots of loargely irrelevant stuff...> > Since you don't know whether these are using dedicated graphics, or using > DPS calls directly, your "counter-examples" are absolutely meaningless. > No, I think the point was to show that, under DPS, video editing *is* possible. I didn't make any claims about how flexible etc. it was. As I have said before, I hope something akin to GX's technology is incorporated into the new OS... looking at what looks to me already like a fairly long development roadmap, I hope AppLE doesn't try to do it too soon (it's not clear to me from a very quick read through most of the press releases where GX fits in, if at all) lest the time to market be delayed still further. There seems to be little reason now to continue this debate -- I point to Robert P. Lee's (President and CEO, Insignia Solutions) comments... "The combination of Apple and NeXT has created a synergy that is sure to ignite enthusiasm and support from the Macintosh community. Separately, these two companies have distinct and respected personalities, but together their combined strengths will establish the clear direction that Apple ISVs and customers are looking for." Would that the former part were more true. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:40:02 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000701971740020001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> <32D2A97C.5577@exnext.com.nonsense> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32D2A97C.5577@exnext.com.nonsense>, jon@exnext.com.nonsense wrote: )And what were the legendary BeOS movies doing? Were they using )the complete QuickTime package? Nope, they don't have a license and they don't have the resources to reverse engineer Quicktime's complete media architecture. The Be demos were definitely misleading, since QT 2.5 on the Mac OS can play multiple Quicktime movies at the same time without dropping frames also. Further QT 2.5 can do it with a variety of codecs not just Cinepak. A little known fact is that the MP support in QT 2.5 also enables preemptive threading on uniprocessor systems, hence it can divvy up processor time much better than other Mac OS processes. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: TooFast <mchute@ibm.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next, Mac, and Prono Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:41:23 +0000 Message-ID: <32D28AB9.654F@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The implications of the Mac Next merger will forever change the way we veiw porno. I just saw Steve Jobs on the Midnight XXX network talking about how his Next operating system will speed up downloads from the alt.binaries newsgroups and allow faster viewing of preteen porno. With an installed base of 20 million, a new faster OS, and a fancy one handed, point click and jerk PPC 500mhz processor the world has become a much better place. 400 million....a bargan at any price.
From: John Hornkvist Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:37:58 GMT Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Högskola Message-ID: <5argq6$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Cc: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY In <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: >On a side note, when the "tabbbed shelf" got introduced, there was a lot of >discussion about where to place it, because placing it horizontally on the >screen reduces screen height that is often more needed than screen width. >I've never understood why they didn't simply evolve the shelf in the >FileViewer window into a tabbed shelf so you have all advantages together... I think that was because the tabbed shelf was supposed to replace both the dock and the file viewer's shelf. Therefore it had to be available at all times, which would not be the case if it were to be in the file viewer. Another reason, I believe was that they wanted to extend the metaphor, and allow new things to reside on the shelf. Hyperlinks come to mind. (Followups directed to advocacy only. Nothing should ever be crossposted to misc.) --- John Hornkvist --- nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se Working on MSc in Computer Engineering, and MSc in Industrial Engineering and Management of Technology Does anyone need a NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP savvy programmer for the summer of '97? Sorry for not leaving my address in the header, but I get too many spam mails already... If you want to reach me, try nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 7 Jan 1997 22:54:07 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-i-56.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <5auk6f$k4l@usc.edu> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Cc: doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de In <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Eric Doenges wrote: > I think Apple, if they play their cards right, can take a significant > portion of the personal computer and low- to medium end workstation > markets. I just hope they don't become a virtual monopoly like Microsoft. I hope they do! It's time for serious competition that can finally marry issues of quality with issues of affordability and availability. The market place will always spur on creative forces for new and/or better things. Usually the need to survive (on whatever level) is the reason for good as well as bad change. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: Rolfe Tessem <rolfe@ldp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep (NeXTStep?) for Sparc Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:11:12 -0500 Organization: Lucky Duck Productions, Inc. Message-ID: <32D2CA00.63DE@ldp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can I purchase a copy, and where can I find out exactly which Sparc platforms it runs on? -- Rolfe Tessem | Lucky Duck Productions, Inc. rolfe@ldp.com | 96 Morton Street (212) 463-0029 | New York, NY 10014
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:18:48 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: )Umm, well... one of the demos which apparently wowed AppLE engineers was five )NEXTIME videos running simultaneously... QT 2.5 on 7.5 can do that also. MP support brought preemptive threading on PowerMacs. )... apart from that, you make a couple of what I think are false assertions )about video-editing s/w for DPS: ) )The NeXTDimension certainly allowed direct video playback (PAL and NTSC) in )1991/2, including the ability to rescale the window, chop bits out of it )whilst it was running, spray on paint, words etc. I could be wrong, but it's my guess that this was probably not handled by the i860 onboard. There were and are many video chipsets that support real-time video scaling and overlays. )I guess it cheated by )having the DPS server running on a different processor, but it shows it can )be done in principle. For enormous expense, admittedly though processor speed has increased enough now that all one would probably need is an 8500 level computer to duplicate its functionality. But to get effects like wipes, dissolves, geometric transformations, etc. going in real-time you'll need a very optimized software architecture. )There are also other video-editing apps available for NEXSTTEP/Intel, e.g. )ScreenMachine II. I don't, unfortunately, know their full capabilities, but )they clearly must allow some video editing undre DPS... I did not say that there couldn't be any DPS video editing apps, I said there weren't any real-time video editing apps. Big difference. MovieClips lets you see fades and wipes happening in real-time, no need to render a preview clip like in Premiere. Real-time video effects using CPU power alone are only now just becoming possible. One definite defficiency DPS has in this area is that it has very weak support for transfer modes. Adjusting the hue, saturation, or color balance of a picture is a very common operation in video and something that can be done with one call in GX. One thing that I and many others have been advocating a long time is for Apple to incorporate the GX Graphics component into QTML, considering all of the other random things in there now (like classic Quickdraw, the sound manager, the resource manager, etc.) GX Graphics is actually one of the few ones that would make a *LOT* of sense. Furthermore there's already a GX track and 'codec' embedded within Quicktime. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DPS does GX (LARGE, 2 attachments) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:51:47 +1200 Organization: School of Music, University of Auckland Message-ID: <p.kerr-0801971051470001@news.auckland.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <ldo-3012961239120001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a79oi$ch6@news3.digex.net> <5a88d0$fe1$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <ldo-0101970625280001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <p.kerr-0501971928150001@news.auckland.ac.nz> <ldo-0701971950190001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0701971950190001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > The PostScript specification states that, if any part of a > filled shape crosses the area of a pixel, then the pixel is filled. This > is the way ALL PostScript (and PDF, and Bravo) rasterizers work. Thus, at > lower resolutions, you can see the odd effect that I demonstrate in those > example files (the URLs are > <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/GXLogo.PDF> and > <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/SixRectangles.PDF>, for > those who missed them previously). The Red Book, 2nd edition 2nd printing January 1991, goes on (S.6.5.1, p.321): " This ensures that no shape ever disappears as a result of unfavorable placement relative to the device pixel grid, as might happen with other possible scan conversion rules. The area covered by painted pixels is always at least as large as the area of the original shape. This scan conversion rule applies to both fill operations and to strokes with non-zero width. Zero width strokes are done in a device-dependent manner that may include fewer pixels than this rule specifies." > Conversely, QuickDraw GX specifies that a pixel is only filled if the > shape overlaps its centre. This avoids the resolution-dependent > misalignment problem, though its drawback is that very thin shapes can > completely disappear. But there is a technique for working around this in > at least some situations--whereas there is no workaround for the > PostScript problem. The workaround for the PostScript problem is given on p.12 (S.2.1) of the above Red Book: "Higher resolution yields better quality and fidelity of the resulting output, but is achieved at greater cost." s.2.1 goes on to describe output devices in which each pixel can be either black or white, or devices which can set each pixel to an intermediate shade of gray. I am not aware of the precise details of HP's RET, but microscopic examination of the output on plain copier paper seems to indicate that the painted dot size and shape is adjusted to give an optical illusion of smoothing the edge of one pixel width steps. I agree with typographers that this is a non-optimum method for text, but the deplorable results can be seen all over the WWW in dithered GIF and JPG images of blocks of text. But I repeat, this particular problem is a peculiarity of the use of raster output devices, not a fundamental weakness of PostScript. To quote the Red Book again from the intro to Ch.2 controlling raster output devices is only one of the four principle features claimed for PostScript. "Much of the power of the PostScript language derives from its ability to deal with the general class of <it> raster output devices.</it>" Or to paraphrase: some of the problems of PostScript derive from restriction of output devices generally to the raster class. It seems quite feasible, at the certain risk of great ire from Adobe, to write a PostScript interpreter which used GX scan conversion rules instead of Adobe's. I don't think it would give any better quality output. As an innocent aside: what other applications besides TeX create DVI files? DVI's claim to fame is that it will give "optimum" output anyplace, anytime, anyhow... -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland NZ neo-Luddite
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 23:08:17 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5aul11$ko8@news.digifix.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> On 01/06/97, Art Isbell wrote: >remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: > >> just like they will >> toss out remaining the remaining "Unixness" of OpenStep. > <snip> > What Apple needs to do is to better cover up Unix system >administration, some of which must still be done using a >command-line interface under OPENSTEP/Mach. But please don't toss >Unix out. > This is infact what Ms Hancock said. That NeXT has done a good job of 'hiding' the Unix and that they will continue on that road. Removing a major compatibility feature would be bad. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: John Hornkvist Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:42:35 GMT Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Högskola Distribution: World Message-ID: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> "Alex kac" wrote: >Desktop printers are useful in that I can directly see what jobs I have >queued up. For example, I normally print about 3-4 jobs at a time. With >desktop printers, I can open up a printer and see that this printer is >printing this job and is on this page. NEXTSTEP has a PrintManager that lets you manage the printer queue, add printers, change printer properties and test printers. >When i worked at Apple and had access to about thousands of printers and >normally only used 3 lasers near me, I would usually print to the one >nearest me, but if I found that a certain print job was taking too long, I >could open one desktop printer, find the job that was waiting to print AFTER >the job that was taking a long time and move it to another printer so that >it would print. So basically I was printing to two printers simultaneously. I don't think this is possible in the current implementation. You do get a selection of printers to print to when you select the print option from the application, however. Overall, I think most of what you want are easily integrateable into the NEXTSTEP PrintManager. --- John Hornkvist --- nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se Working on MSc in Computer Engineering, and MSc in Industrial Engineering and Management of Technology Does anyone need a NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP savvy programmer for the summer of '97? Sorry for not leaving my address in the header, but I get too many spam mails already... If you want to reach me, try nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se
From: lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 7 Jan 1997 23:38:21 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aumpd$dtb@doffen.uninett.no> Darwin Ouyang writes: : In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, : Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: : >The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking : >operating systems. : This is incorrect. : Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do : not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a : task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. However, it has a helluva impact on FPU performance - what's that, 70 to 100 cycles to clear the pipeline after MMX operands? Cheers...
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Price reduction for OPENSTEP? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 12:00:32 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32D28130.2659@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has there been any word yet on whether there would be a price reduction for OPENSTEP? What vendors sell upgrades for OPENSTEP? --gh
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 19:12:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF85394-3C536@198.68.42.153> References: <p.kerr-0701971306310001@news.auckland.ac.nz> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Kerr <p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz> said: >Cheez, a choice? How do I decide which one to use? >or is it automagic so I don't need to know, or care... ;-) Are you planning on editing your graphics or merely displaying it? Do you need speed of display or absolutely rock-solid PS printing capabilities? --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: dforrest@pop.erols.com (Daryl Forrest) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Latest OS for NeXT Cube? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:32:02 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <dforrest-ya023480000701972032020001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been lucky enough to be loaned an (original) NeXT cube (with 17" megapixel monochrome display, 400dpi printer, and CD-ROM drive) to play with for a while. What is the latest NeXTStep OS release for this machine? Are these OS updates free? Any idea on how to get the latest OS for this machine? Any advice/help is appreciated! Thanks, Daryl Forrest -- /*-------------------------------------------------------------------* | Daryl Forrest | Email: dforrest@erols.com | | Software Engineer | DarylF2@aol.com | *-------------------------------------------------------------------*/
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 7 Jan 1997 18:38:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF84B91-1E335@198.68.42.153> References: <32D2A97C.5577@exnext.com.nonsense> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@exnext.com.nonsense> >And what were the legendary BeOS movies doing? Were they using >the complete QuickTime package? Nope. Same thing, from what I can gather. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: rzeman@his.com (Rick Zeman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:03:38 -0500 Organization: None Message-ID: <rzeman-0701972103380001@shiva1-mclean-201.his.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <5afitj$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-0201972152300001@shiva1-mclean-252.his.com> <ldo-0701971942350001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0701971942350001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: |In article <rzeman-0201972152300001@shiva1-mclean-252.his.com>, |rzeman@his.com (Rick Zeman) wrote: | |>And it's really nice sending complex Postscript jobs to the printer. I've |>never seen it gag because it didn't have enough memory as QuickDraw GX is |>smart enough to just download the glyphs that are used instead of the |>entire font. | |I seem to recall a posting on the GX user mailing list (it wasn't you, was |it Rick?) from somebody who was beta-testing some fonts. All he had was an |ancient LaserWriter Plus (with a gigantic 2MB of RAM! Remember them?) Nope, wasn't me. I use an NTR at home with 3 megs of RAM. -- _________________________________________________________________________ Rick Zeman In our secret world, we will collide mailto:rzeman@his.com In all of the places we were hiding love Will Rogers never met Bill Clinton What was it we were thinking of?
From: damir@proaxis.com (Damir Smitlener) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 02:45:18 GMT Organization: ProAxis Communications, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> In article <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au>, "Eddie Cejvan" <cejvane@post.crc.cra.com.au> wrote: [...snip...silly comments about CISC-RISC...] >I will leave you with this thought: >Reduced Instruction Set = Less Transistors = Lower Cost. It's a little ironic that after chewing him out you post such an idiotic statement. The biggest transistor-count processors are RISC. Many RISC processors have larger instruction sets than many CISC processors. Thanks to the marketing departments of many CPU vendors, neither term has much meaning anymore; as an example I give you Motorola (one of the PCC Triumvirate) repackaging the 68k as a Coldfire and selling it as an embedded RISC processor. >You've just been shut up by >Eddie Cejvan You really ought to follow your own advice. -- Damir Smitlener damir@proaxis.com
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 8 Jan 1997 03:11:37 GMT Organization: Central Nervous System Message-ID: <nervous-0701972212090001@ascend22.netrover.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> In article <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: €You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will €get the best applications, and get them soonest? Whichever one is easier to develop on i.e. OpenStep. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry; a highly emotional utterance or literary work; RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
From: edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:22:36 -0300 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca> In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: > Lasse Olsen wrote: > > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > > Where can I buy one? > > Cheers... > The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? -- Edward
From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Price reduction for OPENSTEP? Date: 7 Jan 1997 21:35:19 -0800 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Message-ID: <5avbmn$qj@crl.crl.com> References: <32D28130.2659@erols.com> In article <32D28130.2659@erols.com>, <gbh@erols.com> wrote: >Has there been any word yet on whether there would >be a price reduction for OPENSTEP? > >What vendors sell upgrades for OPENSTEP? The presenter at the NeXT demo at MacWorld was emphatic that there would be no change in the price structure of anything, for now. That might change at some indefinite time in the future. My guess is that they'll keep the prices high until they ship the PPC version. That will discourage developers from switching over to wintel hardware. It also lets them charge monopoly rents for a while yet. Life sucks. Oh well, I've got academic discount.... I was disappointed with the NeXT presentation, btw. They were doing a canned WebObjects demo. they should be pitching the IB/Obj-C/AppKit environment to developers, which is THE critical market for the architecture changeover. -- Don McGregor |"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single chicken, mcgredo@crl.com | being possessed of a good fortune and presented with a good | road, must be desirous of crossing."
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: R/E The NeXT Story Date: 8 Jan 97 01:00:28 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AEF8A230-38729@207.147.51.253> References: <32D09EA9.5E96@transport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0003861B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0003861B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 6, 1997 1:41 AM, Gary Driggs <mailto:garyd@transport.com> wrote: > There have been a small handful of books about Jobs and NeXT, Inc. that > have come out over the last 10 years. The only one I've found > interesting to read at any length is Randall E. Stross's 'Steve Jobs and > the NeXT Big Thing.' I'm curious if anyone out there has feedback on > this title. 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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DPS does GX (LARGE, 2 attachments) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 19:01:23 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801971901230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <ldo-3012961239120001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a79oi$ch6@news3.digex.net> <5a88d0$fe1$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <ldo-0101970625280001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5acebm$1t3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <ldo-0401971519120001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5al73f$3he@news4.digex.net> In article <5al73f$3he@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: >> These illustrate a problem with the PostScript pixel-rendering >> model, namely that a pixel is always filled if any part of a path >> crosses it. As a result, the edges of abutting shapes in the >> above files look misaligned, even though they're not. The effect >> is resolution-dependent: the more you zoom in, the less apparent >> it becomes, and if you print it, it tends to look fine. > >As I posted in the begining of this thread... Two images that showed >that under NeXT's DPS the above is bunk and doesn't exist in >practice. But the effect DOES exist with my images--it is not "bunk". I stumbled across it with <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/GXLogo.PDF>, which was a design I did for my QuickDraw GX programming web page intro <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/gx/intro.html>, so if that's not "in practice", I don't know what is. I then created the simpler image <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/SixRectangles.PDF>. specifically to demonstrate this effect, in a form so simple that you can actually look at the PDF code to see how it arises. For information about QuickDraw GX, a next-generation graphics/printing architecture that does not suffer from this problem, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 01:42:54 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000801970142540001@news.tiac.net> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <akac-0601970109270001@slip-104-30.ots.utexas.edu> <5atdp1$gq@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5atdp1$gq@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: snip > I see. In NEXTSTEP, you have PrinterManager.app (with a printer icon :-) ) > that does exactly that, so it seems the functionality is there, just > differently labeled. Silly answer to a silly post. (Sorry, but I'm getting tired of all the chest-beating on both sides.) PM.app corresponds to PrintMonitor on the Mac. Available whenever a print job is queued. The Desktop Printer just gives you a clickable way to access the queue for a specific printer. Presumably useful if you use many printers at the same time. Silly waste of RAM for most people - like most of MacOS 7.5. Barney
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 19:44:37 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801971944380001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <p.kerr-0801970924300001@news.auckland.ac.nz> In article <p.kerr-0801970924300001@news.auckland.ac.nz>, p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) wrote: >In article <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, >ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: >> > >> >Sill limitations like actually printing w/o problems... >> >> The problems have been ongoing with the old QuickDraw printing >> architecture. Every time some major revision of a driver came out, >> applications would break left and right. > >Is this a problem with QD? or with DOS minded programmers who >couldn't/wouldn't follow Apple's API guidelines? No, the problem wasn't DOS-minded programmers (not all the time, anyway :-)). The problem was the sheer limitations of the old QuickDraw printing manager, which was originally designed, you may remember, to print to the original ImageWriter printer and nothing else. Those with short memories have no idea of the compatibility hassles that appeared with the first LaserWriter in 1985, when the number of printers you had to deal with suddenly doubled. The story of Mac printing has been a story of ongoing compatibility problems, right through to the present day. You had no way to define custom paper types (well, you can now with LaserWriter 8, but that only works with PostScript printers). You couldn't mix different page formats (eg portrait vs landscape) in a single print job. The background printing system was so kludgy that Apple didn't dare let third-party vendors try to use it. To get around the limitations of the old QuickDraw graphics model, printer drivers started supporting "picture comments" that you could embed in your graphics to enable special printer features like text rotation and Bézier curves. But once you started doing this, the original idea of WYSIWYG, that what you saw on-screen should bear some resemblance to what appeared on the printed page, went right out the window. Now, with QuickDraw GX, we finally have a rational basis for doing away with all this accumulated crap. The graphics model is so powerful that the need for driver-specific "picture comments" mostly disappears (yes, you can still embed custom PostScript code if you want to). And the printing system is extremely flexible and customizable and smart, so you can have your custom paper types and mixed page formats and all kinds of goodies that would make users' lives so much easier--if only they knew it was there, and if only application vendors would support it a little. For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:48:55 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org (Th.Huber) wrote: > > RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by clocking > the CPU higher and higher. You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched to seperate execution units. As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then executed. How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed the RISC code directly? Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC chip. This don't make CISC bad, just not better. (I won't even bring up the point that RISC chips have high clocks "Because they can"!) In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is written against a particular CPU will be shortlived. Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against 8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. Oh well..... -- Andrew Carol carol1@apple.com I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: petrich@netcom.com (Loren Petrich) Subject: RISC vs. CISC? Message-ID: <petrichE3oLqK.9Ln@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:47:08 GMT Sender: petrich@netcom21.netcom.com In article <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211>, Andrew Carol <carol1@apple.com> wrote: >In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org >(Th.Huber) wrote: >> RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by >clocking >> the CPU higher and higher. >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched >to seperate execution units. >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) ... [other praise of RISC deleted...] Actually, RISC and CISC are two ends of a continuum. Canonical features of RISC are: * All instructions are the same length, usually 4 bytes, are aligned to its length. This makes it easier to pipeline instructions, since one knows in advance how big they will be. CISC instruction lengths, OTOH, can vary dramatically. * The only memory accesses are for loading and storing. Since a memory access, especially with a cache miss or two, can take several cycles, it may be desirable to do some other stuff while this operation takes place. That is much more difficult with many CISC instruction sets, since one CISC operation may specify several memory accesses and operations. * There are a large number of registers (32 in the case of the PowerPC). This helps avoid making a lot of memory accesses, since intermediate results can often be stored in some register. A downside is that for a function call (say), there are that many more values to be stored and loaded. * Instruction simplicity makes pipelining and superscalarity easier. RISC chips have proven scalability (consider the varying numbers of different types of instruction-execution units in different PowerPC models); instructions may be arranged to be optimal on one member of the family, but they will still execute on others, even if suboptimally. This property appears to be lacking from VLIW (Very Long Instruction Word), in which each instruction word constains the instructions for several execution units. I've yet to find out the instruction set of the DEC Alpha, so I can't say whether or not it is truly super-RISC, which is what is claimed about it. The PowerPC, though with all these features, has a large number of instructions, and some rather complicated-looking ones; it has numerous bit-manipulation instructions and 3-operand arithmetic and logic instructions, along with possible auto-increment for loads and stores (useful for arrays). These concessions to CISCiness help keep code from getting too big; CISC code does tend to be more compact than equivalent RISC code. Among CISC architectures, the Motorola 680x0 one is perhaps the most RISCish; it does not have a large number of instructions, but it has numerous addressing modes, most of which can be used for any operand. It also has 16 general-purpose registers, which can be used for just about anything (in practice, 8 of them are specialized for addresses and 8 for data). The Intel 80x86 is perhaps the ultimate in CISCiness; it features only 8 general-purpose registers, and some of them are specialized in various ways (an instruction does a certain thing with one of them, rather than with whatever is specified as an operand). The older members of this series had a segmented addressing scheme (all other chips mentioned here have a flat scheme), complete for specialized registers for addressing the segments. This setup is maintained in the newer ones, with the addition of an option for a flat memory space. Interestingly, the Pentium Pro is a RISC chip with a CISC interpreter; the latter is said to occupy a large amount of chip real estate. And it is rumored that its intended successor to the x86 architecture will be some RISC architecture. And interestingly, while Motorola has several diagrams of what each bit of chip real estate is used for in its PowerPC chips, Intel has not done the same for its Pentium or Pentium Pro chips (simply see http://www.mot.com and http://www.intel.com). -- Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh petrich@netcom.com And a fast train My home page: http://www.webcom.com/petrich/home.html Mirrored at: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
From: marcel@sysyem.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 09:09:08 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5avo7k$3mt$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence Dliveiro) writes: > Trouble is, the PostScript graphics model is inherently unsuited to the > screen (as I have tried to demonstrate in other postings), and Display ^^^^^ <- unsuccessfully! > PostScript lacks features that are important to interactive on-screen > graphics--features which QuickDraw GX has, and which can be important, > among other things, for writing games! Your 'evidence' consisted of a PDF file generated from a GX App that shows some inconsistencies at low resolution. Please, do tell me where DPS had any part in this. As has been pointed out elsewhere, DPS has specific enhancements to deal with display issues, and there exist PostScript procedures for snapping shapes to the pixel grid of the current output device. Why do I bother? Marcel
From: andy@research.canon.com.au (Andy Newman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 20:06:52 +1100 Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia Message-ID: <5avo3c$a34@horton.research.canon.com.au> References: <ldo-0401972147210001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5alm5c$kof@chico.franken.de> <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz writes: >Because QuickDraw GX isn't a programming language, it is able to provide a >high-quality graphics interchange format that is *fully-editable* at the >object level. Not to mention a print-file format that makes page >extraction and other such operations a breeze. It is quite possible to provide this with a programming language too. You need a syntax and semantics that takes these factors into account to give you page independence and allow editing of the drawing. It can be (and has been) done. -- Andy Newman <andy@research.canon.com.au>
From: umisef@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 8 Jan 97 04:34:29 GMT Organization: Monash University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <umisef.852698069@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.hawaii.edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <5ar7t4$6qv@misery.millcomm.com> skappel@intranetsol.com (Steve Kappel) writes: >You will be forgiven for your IBM-centric view. >Try http://endeavor.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/fpcrf/e/ap1000.html >which is about the Fujitsu AP1000 that supports up to 1024 >SuperSPARCs. And the best thing about it: You can run linux on it :=))) Bernie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: t.macdougall@ucl.ac.uk (Tom Macdougall) Subject: Re: Don't rush into GX on NG OS! (was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Message-ID: <t.macdougall-0701971623290001@pc429a.immun.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:18:33 GMT References: <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <AEF598F5-B3E64@198.68.42.188> <5appoh$h9p@news4.digex.net> Organization: University College London In article <5appoh$h9p@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > > Keep DPS where it is, but work on enhancing GX to replace/enhance > > DPS over the long run... > > This seems rather reasonable... To modify/enhance or even replace > DPS where and how it makes sense...making the enironment more > robust, while while maintaining stability... This seems a fine > goal... > > Followups to: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy > (trimming cross posts) > -- > Thanks, later, John Kheit It seems reasonable therefor you can guarantee it won't be done ;-) Tom Macdougall
From: marcel@sysyem.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 09:37:46 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5avpta$5ad$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence Dliveiro) writes: > Than why do PostScript-based applications take up so much RAM and CPU > power? To be quite frank, I don't know why this is the case on MacOS. It is definitely NOT the case under OpenStep. When I first used Acrobat reader on my 040 Mac I was dismayed at the abysmal speed compared to the three free PDF viewers for OpenStep, all three of which are blindingly fast. (In fact, one of them is _written_ almost entirely in PostScript). Did I mention that all three Apps are rather compact? [...Software RIPs...] > How much do these RIPs cost, compared to the price of a decent-quality, > non-PostScript printer? This seems to be an extremely difficult concept: with DPS, the software RIP is already there. DPS _IS_ THE SOFTWARE RIP. (Excuse me for shouting). I would be very surprised if the Apple printers didn't come with software + license to do this. Imagine that: the humblest StyleWriter becomes a PostScript Level 2/3 printer with virtually (so to speak) unlimited RAM, all network Fonts on-line ( "look ma, no downloading" ), and a CPU more powerful than most imagesetter-RIPs today. Yes, overkill for sure. But still nice. > >PostScript handles Type 42 (TrueType) fonts quite successfully. > > I don't think this is a standard PostScript feature: it works with Apple's > printers and some others, but not necessarily all of them. But it is in the current DPS implementation. That's what we're talking about here. And if you think that Apple won't be capable of converting TT to T1 when generating a Level 1 compatible PS file, well gee, they already did it once... Lawrence, nobody is talking about taking a PostScript Level 1 printer, driving it with QuickDraw converted to PS with the Laserwriter 7.x driver and then calling it the display subsystem. All the Mac/PostScript interoperability problems you mention are very interesting, but completely irrelevant to DPS, because with DPS, these problems _disappear_. Poof. All gone. As a matter of fact, most of the 'counter'-arguments you bring are excellent arguments _for_ having DPS on the platform. Which is what it's going to be from what I hear. Marcel
From: marcel@sysyem.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 09:50:27 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5avql3$63k$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <ldo-0801972153050001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0801972153050001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence Dliveiro) writes: > Why not? That's the beauty of GX--that it *can* give you such high-quality > imaging on such low-cost hardware. This exact same concept applies to DPS. Why is this so difficult? Anyway, if you decide to stick with MacOS, you'll be able to find out for yourself just how horribly slow display is with DPS and the amazing print-troubles you will have. Not to mention all the disgustung cross-platform portability. Marcel
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:10:22 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <ldo-0401972147210001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5alm5c$kof@chico.franken.de> In article <5alm5c$kof@chico.franken.de>, guenther@golem.golem.franken.de (Guenther Fuerthaller) wrote: >ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > >>The trouble with PostScript is, it's not just the imaging model, it's all the >>programming-language baggage that goes with it. Consider what happens when >>someone gives you a Level 2 PostScript file, but all you've got is a Level 1 >>PostScript printer to print it on. Identical imaging model, right? But can you >>print it? Not a hope. >>That's why QuickDraw GX lets you take a step backwards from all this nonsense, >>so you can create high-quality graphics without having to worry about the >>limitations of PostScript. > >I can't take people serious that first do not respect the advantages of >having a programming language inside the output device... It's not an advantage--it's a liability. The programming language part of PostScript is probably the single biggest factor in all the well-known problems with PostScript files. It is what makes it impossible to do simple page extraction, or graphic editing at the object level (not, at any rate, without putting the file through a custom PostScript interpreter that outputs graphical objects in some non-PostScript format). It probably accounts for half the RAM and CPU overhead of PostScript. Because QuickDraw GX isn't a programming language, it is able to provide a high-quality graphics interchange format that is *fully-editable* at the object level. Not to mention a print-file format that makes page extraction and other such operations a breeze. > ...and that second >believe that anything that works fine on their desktop at 72 dpi and with >their desktop printer at a few hundreds dpi still works the same way >at 3000 dpi and more (that's what the PostScript imaging model is designed >for). Strange, that's exactly what the Display PostScript advocates are claiming--that their favourite graphical engine works just fine at screen resolutions on the desktop, as well as at higher resolutions on the printer. Trouble is, the PostScript graphics model is inherently unsuited to the screen (as I have tried to demonstrate in other postings), and Display PostScript lacks features that are important to interactive on-screen graphics--features which QuickDraw GX has, and which can be important, among other things, for writing games! For information about QuickDraw GX, a next-generation graphics/printing architecture that is more at home on the screen than PostScript will ever be, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 19:14:03 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> In article <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr>, mlbizer@mail.utexas.eduu (Marc Bizer) wrote: >In article <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, >ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > >>I don't think Display PostScript was ever capable of running on such >>hardware. :-) > > Well, it did run fine on a 25 MHz '030, since that was the original NeXT >processor. Except the machines I mentioned in my posting were a Mac IIcx and an SE/30, each with a 16MHz 68030 and 8MB of RAM!
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 8 Jan 1997 08:34:20 GMT Organization: "dtb? - entfernt dieses Geschwuer vom Arsche des usenet." (Kresimir Cesljarevic) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5avm6c$v95@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <E3nG0s.Gyy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> douyang@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Darwin Ouyang) writes: >In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, >Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: >>The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking >>operating systems. >This is incorrect. >Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do >not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a >task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. If your operating system does lazy saving of FPU registers (that is: FPU state is not saved unless another task using the FPU gets scheduled), you have to mark programs using MMX instructions as FPU users as well. The advantage of lazy saving is dimished. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer
From: ******** <********@********.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:32:31 -0800 Organization: ******** Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aupsh$id5@news.accessus.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Th.Huber wrote: > Why CISC then ? > > CISC code has the option to be executed by future CPUs, which are able to do > more and more of the complex instructions with RISC technics. > (e.g 060 has some of these features) So is RISC. R2000 code is still compatible with R10000, FYI. > Why not RISC ? > > RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by clocking > the CPU higher and higher. It is far easier to implement superscalar execution pipelines with RISC instruction set than with CISC instruction set. Most modern RISC processors are 4-way superscalar, while X86 is limited to 3-way superscalar execution with Pentium Pro. We should see 8-way superscalar implemetations of RISC architectures pretty soon, and I believe Alpha21264 will be the first of bunch. > On the long run, we`ll have CPUs that run CISCcode on a RISC CPU, so it`s really > silly not to use CISC today. You have no idea of what you are talking about, so shut up.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:22:41 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> In article <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net>, pfd@ziplink.net wrote: >On Fri, 03 Jan 1997 19:42:46 +1300, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro <ldo@waikato.ac.nz> wrote: >> In article <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com>, kindall@manual.com >> (Jerry Kindall) wrote: >> >> >In article <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com>, rzeman@his.com (Rick >> >Zeman) wrote: >> >> >> >>Gee, sounds just like QuickDraw GX.... >> > >> >Yeah, except it's an industry standard language that's part of the OS >> >instead of a proprietary memory-hogging add-on that virtually no one uses. >> >> At current prices, GX uses about US$15 worth of RAM. Whereas comparing >> current printer prices, PostScript seems to add US$150 or more to the >> price of a printer. So which is the resource hog? It looks like PostScript >> is ten times worse than GX! > >This is quite possibly the stupidest argument I've ever seen. The >incremental cost of PostScript in a printer is the cost of software >and licensing. It has NOTHING to do with resource consumption (unless >you only consider money as a resource.) Than why do PostScript-based applications take up so much RAM and CPU power? Consider Adobe's own Acrobat Reader, which is built around the Bravo imaging engine, not even a full PostScript implementation: that requires 4.5MB of RAM to run. I think Eric King has reported some experiments with converting PDF files to GX Portable Digital Documents, and using one of the several available GX PDD viewers to view the results. Not only was the GX software faster, but it also used a fraction of the RAM (even including the full system overhead of GX itself)! >> >And keeping in mind which came first, it'd be better to say that QDGX is >> >like DPS, rather than the other way around. >> >> GX is nothing like PostScript: >> * No programming-language overhead. > >or flexibility. GX offers you more flexibility than PostScript does. It offers a high-quality, publicly-documented graphics interchange format that is *fully-editable* at the object level. It is easy to perform operations like extraction and compositing of selected pages from GX print files. The GX printing process can be customized in ways that PostScript has never heard of. >> * Much more efficient graphics engine. > >partly because it only handls quadric curves. Ah, the old quadratic-versus-cubic snobbery rears its head again. What is it that makes cubics superior, exactly, besides the fact that it takes more CPU power to render them? :) >> * Next-generating printing architecture that gives full-quality output >> on both PostScript and non-PostScript printers. > >Software RIPs can (and are) used quite successfully with >non-PostScript printers. How much do these RIPs cost, compared to the price of a decent-quality, non-PostScript printer? >> * Completely font-format-neutral: supports Type 1 and TrueType fonts >> (and whatever future font formats people might come up with) on an >> absolutely equal basis. > >PostScript handles Type 42 (TrueType) fonts quite successfully. I don't think this is a standard PostScript feature: it works with Apple's printers and some others, but not necessarily all of them. For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 19:26:15 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801971926160001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <5afitj$g0b@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-0201972152300001@shiva1-mclean-252.his.com> <32CD55D8.1429@mathtype.com> In article <32CD55D8.1429@mathtype.com>, jimk@mathtype.com wrote: >------------A6B386F47191 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Rick Zeman wrote: > >> And it's really nice sending complex Postscript jobs to the printer. I've >> never seen it gag because it didn't have enough memory as QuickDraw GX is >> smart enough to just download the glyphs that are used instead of the >> entire font. > >Which is part of the problem. QuickDraw GX blocks developers from >writing native PostScript code that uses fonts because you never know > what characters will be available or what order they will be >in. This shows a complete misunderstanding of the right way to do things. GX offers *more* ways to customize the printing process than old QuickDraw ever did (among other things, yes, you can embed your own PostScript code, no problem). Not only that, it offers an explicit API call specifically for streaming a font, with options to convert it to PostScript format, reencode it, subset it, or whatever else you may want to do. This is a *much* cleaner way of doing things than trying to trick the printer driver into downloading the right font for you. >...but as it is GX blows out of the water any program that tried to get >around the deficiencies in the >former QuickDraw scheme (such as a 72dpi grid). Precisely. Tell your vendor that there *is* a better, cleaner, less future-fragile way of doing things, instead of having to come up with new tricks for every new version of the LaserWriter 8 driver. For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 03:33:16 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000801970333160001@news.tiac.net> References: <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86>, "Dale Friesen" <dalef@bolen.bc.ca> wrote: > Please pardon my ignorance, but since NeXT runs on different CPUs is it > necessary to recompile for each? Yes, but its a single run throught the compiler and linker. > Or are the APIs fairly high level such > that you can write something for NeXT, drop it on a CD-ROM and anyone > running the OS (regardless of hardware) can use it? Well, if its source, everyone can build it. If its a fat app, from that run discussed above, everyone can run it. > If the latter, will > this include the Mac running Rhapsody (the NeXT-based MacOS)? That's the idea. After it its been modified as required by further Apple changes. Barney
From: cj434@freenet.carleton.ca (Richard K Bethell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 06:53:03 GMT Organization: The Printing House Sender: cj434@freenet.carleton.ca (Richard K Bethell) Message-ID: <01bbfd30$5225d810$ac897586@richard> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.annex5.nwlink.com> <ldo-0401972216470001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <p.kerr-0801970924300001@news.auckland.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Kerr <p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz> wrote in article <p.kerr-0801970924300001@news.auckland.ac.nz>... > In article <ldo-0701972055440001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, > ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > > > In article <5al8vg$fke@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > > Furthermore... I've had no problems > > >printing from DPS Level 2 to a level 1 printer. It just works. > > > > Wow. Let me get this straight--if you have a PostScript program that > > creates a dictionary with a maxlength of six, and tries to put seven > > things into it, and send that to a Level 1 printer, then it will magically > > work fine, just because you've got Display PostScript on your desktop? > > That must be the amazing PostScript laundering engine that seems to be > embedded in NextStep. Now if Apple has bought and intends bundling it in > the MacOS I just can't wait to get my hands on it :-) > > Maybe Steve Jobs should have gone to work for Adobe... > > > > > > >Sill limitations like actually printing w/o problems... > > > > The problems have been ongoing with the old QuickDraw printing > > architecture. Every time some major revision of a driver came out, > > applications would break left and right. > > Is this a problem with QD? or with DOS minded programmers who > couldn't/wouldn't follow Apple's API guidelines? > Can you entirely blame them? It's not like Adobe's going to give up the Windows market for say, PageMaker, for no reason other than to bow down to the Gods of QuickDraw! -- Richard Bethell * cj434@freenet.carleton.ca * rbethell@magi.com * rbethell@tph.ca "All warfare is based on deception" - Suntzu, "The Art of War" Visit my PostScript page at http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~cj434
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:30:23 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801972130240001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5arhch$79b@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5arhch$79b@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: >On 01/04/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: >> Trouble is, GX solves a great number of real problems that both Mac users >> and developers have been moaning about for years. It offers a powerful, >> customizable next-generation architecture that the Mac desperately needs. >> >> For instance, it seems hardly a week goes by without somebody asking, on >> some newsgroup I frequent, how they can print just the even or odd pages >> from a document, so they can get double-sided output on a single-sided >> printer. This is the kind of feature that logically belongs in-between the >> printer driver and the application, since it is useful across different >> printer drivers and across different applications. GX provides the concept >> of "printing extensions" that allow third-party add-ons to supply this >> sort of feature in a clean, well-behaved way. Like my Duplex Helper >> >Umm, as I've pointed out elsewhere, an application to do just this for >PostScript documents was developed by Gideon Tearle back in 1992.. Doesn't this depend on the PostScript conforming to Adobe's Document Structuring Conventions, which in fact few PostScript files do? There was a thread discussing this sort of thing on comp.lang.postscript a few weeks back, and many techniques based on creative redefinitions of the "showpage" operator were proposed. Trouble is, none of them would work reliably in all situations. For information about QuickDraw GX, including the next-generation printing architecture that supports this sort of customizability across both PostScript *and* non-PostScript printers, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:27:05 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801972127060001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32d11e58.2884009@news.inlink.com> In article <32d11e58.2884009@news.inlink.com>, sschaper@inlink.com wrote: >On Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:58:34 +1300, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence >D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > >>Trouble is, GX solves a great number of real problems that both Mac users >>and developers have been moaning about for years. It offers a powerful, >>customizable next-generation architecture that the Mac desperately needs. > >Trouble is, GX is such a pain that most MacOS users don't install it, >or if they do, they soon disinstall it. It is a memory hog, it causes >compatibility problems, it alters fonts, it crashes the machine. It is not nearly as big a memory hog as PostScript. GX offers more features than PostScript does, and does so faster and using less RAM. Compatibility problems are mostly due to the limitations of the old QuickDraw printing architecture, not necessarily GX itself (this has been discussed in other postings). It *doesn't* alter fonts. Type 1 fonts are repackaged so that you no longer have to worry about "printer" fonts versus "screen" fonts--this is something Adobe and Apple should have done a long time ago. The new packaging is supported by ATM 3.8 and later, and LaserWriter 8.4 and later--it is not GX-specific by any means. Crashing the machine--since when? For more info about the next-generation graphics and printing architecture that is QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 12:30:13 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Cc: ldo@waikato.ac.nz In <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > In article <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net>, pfd@ziplink.net wrote: [...] > Than why do PostScript-based applications take up so much RAM and CPU > power? Consider Adobe's own Acrobat Reader, which is built around the > Bravo imaging engine, not even a full PostScript implementation: that > requires 4.5MB of RAM to run. It's so obvious: If you view a PostScript file on a GX based machine you need to convert from the PS display model to the GX display model. That takes time. It would be (theoretically) just as slow to view a GX file on a DPS based machine. If you take a PS file, have it interpreted by some software and have that software display the results using a different drawing model it *must* be slower. If you piped the PS file to the DPS display directly it would be much faster, probable not slower than a similar GX file. You can only compare the rendering times using the appropriate generic file formats. View a file containing native GX objects on a Mac, then view a PostScript file that gives the same optical output result on a DPS machine. Besides, the discussion is moot since Apple has already decided to use DPS and add GX compatibility. Volker
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: ffiona mosford@newi.ac.uk (ffiona mosford) Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Message-ID: <E3ow90.Gow@exeter.ac.uk> Sender: news@exeter.ac.uk (news admin) Organization: North East Wales Institute References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <nervous-0601970107590001@ascend25.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:34:11 GMT In article <nervous-0601970107590001@ascend25.netrover.com>, nervous@system.net says... > >In article <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no>, lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >€Robert Iacullo writes: >€: jmiller wrote: >€: > >€: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >€: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >€: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? >€ >€: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. >€ >€ Where can I buy one? >€ Cheers... > >Go to > >http://www.exp.com > >and place your order. They will be demonstrating the X704 at MacWorld. > >Or, if you can't get one yet, you can always go for a quad-604e @ 200Mhz >UMAX system. (That's four 604e each @ 200Mhz.) > >What was your Intel at? 200Mhz? Hahahaha... > >-- >GO Mac GO!!!
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Price reduction for OPENSTEP? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 03:48:17 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000801970348170001@news.tiac.net> References: <32D28130.2659@erols.com> <5avbmn$qj@crl.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5avbmn$qj@crl.crl.com>, mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) wrote: > In article <32D28130.2659@erols.com>, <gbh@erols.com> wrote: > >Has there been any word yet on whether there would > >be a price reduction for OPENSTEP? > The presenter at the NeXT demo at MacWorld was emphatic that > there would be no change in the price structure of anything, > for now. That might change at some indefinite time in the > future. As I feared. "Enterprise" concepts still reign. > I was disappointed with the NeXT presentation, btw. They > were doing a canned WebObjects demo. they should be pitching > the IB/Obj-C/AppKit environment to developers, which is THE > critical market for the architecture changeover. A year from now perhaps. Meanwhile, let's push those "enterprise tools" at "enterprise prices". Barney
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:53:05 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-0801972153050001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <ct207-0301971033150001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk> In article <ct207-0301971033150001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk>, ct207@cam.ac.uk (Constantin Teleman) wrote: >In article <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, >ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > >> Unfortunately, PostScript printers have never been, and never will be, the >> norm. I estimate they account for less than 6% of the current printer >> market, and this share is dwindling. > > But they probably account for nearly 100% of the *quality* printer >market... In case you hadn't noticed, "PostScript" is no longer synonymous with "quality". PostScript and non-PostScript printers are built around the same imaging engines, except that the PostScript versions might cost US$150 or more extra. >... and it's pointless to debate the merits of advanced imaging >technologies when talking about cheap inkjets. Why not? That's the beauty of GX--that it *can* give you such high-quality imaging on such low-cost hardware. Those cheap inkjets are pretty damn good--which is why they now account for 80% of the printer market, and still growing. The laser vendors are being backed into a corner, and PostScript along with them. Even Adobe now sees the writing on the wall, which is why it came out with PrintGear. >If PS rasterization is built into the operating system, you won't >need a PS printer to print a PS file (though it will be faster). You don't need PostScript rasterization to be built into the system for this--all you need is one tool for converting PostScript to fully-editable GX format, then you are free of the overheads and constraints of PostScript from that point on. Have a look at gxMaker <http://members.aol.com/ArtAge/index.html>. Also I've heard that Apple includes a PostScript-to-GX translator in their special publishing package that is currently only available in the Chinese market. >By the way, printing QuickDraw on a PS printer *will* slow down your >machine, while it converts QD to PS. Well, it's better than slowing your machine down every time it draws on the screen using Display PostScript, isn't it? :) >> I've got news for you: you probably already have several GX printers about >> the place! Remember, every PostScript printer is a GX printer. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > What on earth could you mean by that? Are you implying that GX is a >subset of PostScript? (It's not.) No, the GX graphics model is, in nearly every respect, a superset of the Postcript one. > Will any PostScript printer understand downloaded GX commands? (They won't.) Yes they will! Remember, unlike PostScript, GX is not a glorified printer-control language, it is a full graphics and printing architecture. The printing architecture includes support for things called "printer drivers", that translate GX graphics into printer-specific commands to put marks on the page. GX includes in-built support for three main classes of printers: raster ("dumb"), vector (plotter) and PostScript. In particular, it provides common code for handling many of the common imaging tasks specific to these classes of printers. For PostScript, this includes a powerful GX-to-PostScript translator that takes care of common PostScript headaches like splitting of complex paths, loading fonts, managing printer memory usage and so on. The result is that writing a printer driver for QuickDraw GX is *much* easier than for any other printing architecture. >You seem to equate "is a GX >printer" with "there is a GX-aware driver for it". These are NOT the >same things. Most people would disagree. After all, in the Mac world, it has been common for a long time to talk about "PostScript" printers versus "QuickDraw" printers (basically, everything that wasn't "PostScript"). And when my StyleWriter was first released in 1991, it was labelled a "TrueType" printer! The implication of the poster who used the term "GX printer" was somehow to insinuate that you had to buy all-new printers to take advantage of the features of GX. This is NOT true--GX works out of the box with existing PostScript printers, and a lot of others besides. For more info about the next-generation graphics and printing architecture that is QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 12:43:19 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Cc: ldo@waikato.ac.nz In <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: [...] > >>I don't think Display PostScript was ever capable of running on such > >>hardware. :-) > > > > Well, it did run fine on a 25 MHz '030, since that was the > original NeXT > >processor. > > Except the machines I mentioned in my posting were a Mac IIcx and an > SE/30, each with a 16MHz 68030 and 8MB of RAM! The NeXT Cube shipped with 8MB of RAM standard. 25 MHz 68030. OO GUI, UNIX and 1120x832 pixel display. And it always appeared quite quick, compared to similarly equipped Apple, Sun, or IBM machines. Unless, of course, you ran it exclusively from the optical media, which was rather slow. I guess it would have done quite acceptably even at 16 MHz. Volker
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 13:07:00 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b065k$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Cc: rex@mit.edu In <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Eric King wrote: > In article <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, mmalcolm crawford > <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: [...] > )The NeXTDimension certainly allowed direct video playback (PAL and NTSC) in > )1991/2, including the ability to rescale the window, chop bits out of it > )whilst it was running, spray on paint, words etc. > > I could be wrong, but it's my guess that this was probably not handled > by the i860 onboard. There were and are many video chipsets that support > real-time video scaling and overlays. You are wrong. I had an ND board in my cube and know some of its internal workings, both from the documentation and from analyzing the board itself. The i860 ran the PS RIP and did live processing on video streams. You could apply transformations to a live video feed and pipe the output to a VCR, for example. Transformations included, but weren't limited to, gamma correction (note: this was on a 32 bit display, so no games played here with modifying CLUTs.), resizing, color replacement, modifying saturation etc. That was what was supported by the trivial demo application that came with the board (actually with every NeXT). I am sure you could have had more. There was an objective-C class called NXLiveCameraView or NXLiveVideoView or so. I would have to look up the methods that applied but I don't have it on line. Volker
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:29:50 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3ow1q.5M7@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> In article <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: > mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: > > >Umm, well... one of the demos which apparently wowed AppLE engineers was > >five > >NEXTIME videos running simultaneously... > > > > Hehehehehe. One of the allegedly "wowed" Apple engineers commented on > semper-fi that such demos are bogus. They showed a simple Cinepak movie > with non-compressed sound. I don't think this demo wow's anyone who's technically clued up. All it demonstrates is that the OS can multitask relativly efficiently. The efficiency of the codecs isn't really that releant to the impact of the demo - on a Mac you can only have one running at a time. If you select another, then the first one stops. On NeXT that all run at the same time - even if they slowed down, or droped frames it would still be impresive to Mac users. I don't think NeXT would have chosen this demo, or certainlly wouldn't be pushing it as hard if it wasn't for Be. Running multiple movies is about ALL Be can do, yet it was enough to convince the natives that Be was the greatest. NeXT are simply illustrating that anything Be can do, they can do just as well. $an $an
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:23:12 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3ovqp.5L9@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86> In article <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86> "Dale Friesen" <dalef@bolen.bc.ca> writes: > Please pardon my ignorance, but since NeXT runs on different CPUs is it > necessary to recompile for each? Or are the APIs fairly high level such > that you can write something for NeXT, drop it on a CD-ROM and anyone > running the OS (regardless of hardware) can use it? If the latter, will > this include the Mac running Rhapsody (the NeXT-based MacOS)? You have to complile it for all architectures. However the work involved in doing this is literally ticking a box to say "I'd like this to run on X". Provided you haven't dont anything stupid then it just works (in fact it works too well - NeXT recently released Developer tools for HP ACCIDENTALLY. The box was ticked, so it got build and put on the CD, even though it officially doesn't exist). All apps generally can run on all architectures, even if the developer has never seen an HP or a Sparc running NeXTStep. Existing apps won't run on PPC because there's no tick box yet, but once it's there then it should be a matter of ticking the box, and it will go. There's no reason why Apps for PPC should not start apearing BEFORE the OS does, if NeXT release OPENSTEP 4.2 for 68K, Intel and Sparc with a PPC compiler!. Of course how this applies to Rhapsody is anyones guess, but provided Apple don't take the technology out, or change things for the sake of it, then it should work great. The cross-platform stuff is truly excellent, and it would be crazy to break it - but then I wouldn't put it past them. $an
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: 8 Jan 1997 14:10:17 GMT Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0801970910500001@ascend3.netrover.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca> <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com> In article <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com>, edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) wrote: €In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: € €> Lasse Olsen wrote: €> > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. €> > Where can I buy one? €> > Cheers... €> The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. € € €Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? You can get a 300Mhz 603e as well. Even multiprocessor 604e-based computers. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry; a highly emotional utterance or literary work; RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 8 Jan 1997 14:15:08 GMT Organization: Central Nervous System Message-ID: <nervous-0801970915410001@ascend3.netrover.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <32d24cc7.0@cisun2000.unil.ch> In article <32d24cc7.0@cisun2000.unil.ch>, Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch wrote: €dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) wrote: €> It seems to work for most people most of the time. MacStep will have €> to work better. For example: better multitasking performance than is €> now available with Windows NT on two Pentium Pros. €> € €I run Win NT4.0 and OpenStep 4.0 on the same hardware. OpenStep is much €snappier. People are going to like this. What else can you tell us when comparing the two? -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry; a highly emotional utterance or literary work; RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:44:08 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000801970944080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b065k$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b065k$2s2@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: )I had an ND board in my cube and know some of its internal workings, both )from the documentation and from analyzing the board itself. )The i860 ran the PS RIP and did live processing on video streams. You could )apply transformations to a live video feed and pipe the output to a VCR, for )example. Now that is interesting. Having the i860 run the RIP makes a lot of sense but it doesn't really make sense for it to do scaling as well. (Other transformations yes, but scaling no.) Overlays it's probably a toss up as to which would be better a dedicated video chip or the i860. The i860 if it was freed from scaling and overlay 'grunge' work could have been used for some pretty powerful video processing effects. Or acting as a RenderMan accelerator. (Was it used in that capacity too?) )Transformations included, but weren't limited to, gamma correction (note: )this was on a 32 bit display, so no games played here with modifying CLUTs.), )resizing, color replacement, modifying saturation etc. That was what was )supported by the trivial demo application that came with the board (actually )with every NeXT). I am sure you could have had more. Sounds very much like the hardware in the AV Macs. Was any interesting software ever written to take advantage of the ND boards? -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 14:12:52 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5b0a14$ke8@josie.abo.fi> References: <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> <32D26E79.4D60@freenet.npiec.on.ca> (followups severely trimmed) Marc Nagy, in <32D26E79.4D60@freenet.npiec.on.ca>: >Well, I'm in computer science at university and we use PowerPCs and >Codewarrior software for JAVA programming. >At home, I use a Pentium and my machine at home does circles around the >PowerlessPC's at school as far as compiling time. you're in CS, and you don't see the fallacy of that argument? for all you've told us here, might be the PPC's compiler spends time trying to optimize its output while the pentium counterpart maybe doesn't. what about *run* times? -- "...Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog just died..." - Leonard Cohen
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep (NeXTStep?) for Sparc Date: 8 Jan 1997 15:31:16 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5b0ek4$g43@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32D2CA00.63DE@ldp.com> Rolfe Tessem <rolfe@ldp.com> wrote: >Where can I purchase a copy, and where can I find out exactly which >Sparc platforms it runs on? That depends whether you want to run OPENSTEP (over Solaris) or NEXTSTEP. Check Sun's web pages for the former, NeXT's for the latter. I'm running NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a Tatung clone of a SparcStation 5/85 with a CG3 graphics card (I had to patch the CG6 driver myself to get it to work right), and it's great. Runs about four times faster than our Turbos, is color, and has more screen real-estate. I love it to death. I hear OPENSTEP over Solaris is a big resource hog, and it is Solaris :-), but it's probably a lot better than using X stuff on Solaris. If you're already running Solaris (we're a SunOS shop), check out the demo you can download from Sun. I haven't, so that's all I know. ab
From: narendra@shiva.nrl.navy.mil (Narendra Batra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help : Adding another Hard Drive Date: 8 Jan 1997 15:45:01 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5b0fdt$ppc$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> At present I have a an IBM clone Pentium 90 multimedia( 1Gb HD Scsi Fujitsu, 48Mb Ram). I had partitioned it, 600 Mb for next step and 400 Mb for windows 95 and applications. Everything works fine and has worked fine for 2 years. Now I want to (1) add another SCSI hard drive 2.1 Gb Seagate and use this newly added hard disk exclusively for windows and also make this as a boot drive ( i.e. SCSI ID 00) and want to transfer all the windows data ( about 339 Mb) from Fujitsu to it. (2) Use Fujitsu 1GB ( SCSI ID 01) only for next step, i.e. remove the DOS partition without losing the existing next step data. By the way I am using NCR SCSI -2 card which works fine for Next step. If any one has experience in doing the above, I would greatly appreciate their input. Thanks a lot for your assistance and input to avoid pitfalls in modifying my hardware. Thanks a lot for your input. Sincerely , Narendra
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Price reduction for OPENSTEP? Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:03:06 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5b0gfq$j03@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <jbf-ya023580000801970348170001@news.tiac.net> In article <jbf-ya023580000801970348170001@news.tiac.net> jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) writes: >In article <5avbmn$qj@crl.crl.com>, mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) wrote: > >> In article <32D28130.2659@erols.com>, <gbh@erols.com> wrote: >> >Has there been any word yet on whether there would >> >be a price reduction for OPENSTEP? > >> The presenter at the NeXT demo at MacWorld was emphatic that >> there would be no change in the price structure of anything, >> for now. That might change at some indefinite time in the >> future. > >As I feared. "Enterprise" concepts still reign. > Having read the comments of Apple's CFO saying that NeXT was expected to be profitable in the March quarter I fully expected that the pricing would remain in the stratosphere. I really was hoping to be wrong though ;-( >> I was disappointed with the NeXT presentation, btw. They >> were doing a canned WebObjects demo. they should be pitching >> the IB/Obj-C/AppKit environment to developers, which is THE >> critical market for the architecture changeover. > >A year from now perhaps. Meanwhile, let's push those "enterprise >tools" at "enterprise prices". > >Barney I've seen this particular demo. It really is a yawn. It's no wonder NeXT was doing so badly in '96. -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:15:46 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b0h7i$3fg@www.langen.bull.de> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b065k$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> <rex-ya023080000801970944080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Cc: rex@mit.edu In <rex-ya023080000801970944080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Eric King wrote: > In article <5b065k$2s2@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de > (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: [...] > to which would be better a dedicated video chip or the i860. The i860 if it > was freed from scaling and overlay 'grunge' work could have been used for > some pretty powerful video processing effects. Or acting as a RenderMan > accelerator. (Was it used in that capacity too?) Yes, and quite impressively, if I may say so. > Sounds very much like the hardware in the AV Macs. Was any interesting > software ever written to take advantage of the ND boards? Most people used it for Renderman processing, video editing and as a general, fast color option for Cubes. Renderman didn't need any special software to be written for the ND, since it was part of the NeXTSTEP API (3DKit). It would just run about 10 times faster on an ND than on a cube. Of course, there are a lot of RIB-based 3D-Programs for NeXTSTEP. As for video editing: I never used that feature very much, so I don't know about 3rd-party SW written for video stuff. Volker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc From: rvtaylor@netcom.com (R. Taylor) Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Message-ID: <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> Sender: rvtaylor@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:19:15 GMT remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: >eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) wrote: > >>I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that >>Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily >>OS) sales and licensing > >Well, if that's true, they should have dug up the old System 7 port to >486's some time ago..... > >Chris Murphy Well, this news feed says that Intel is OK for Rhapsody but no existing Macs. Can this be right? ---- From EduPage Jan 7 APPLE'S CORE WAXES RHAPSODIC Apple Computer says that for the next few years it will pursue a "dual operating system" strategy, offering machines that run both its existing Macintosh System 7 operating system and its new Next-based system, code-named Rhapsody. Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock promised existing Mac users that support for System 7 will continue for the next several years. (Wall Street Journal 7 Jan 97 B6) The new line of machines is necessary because the Next-based system won't run on any of the existing Macs, including those using the popular Motorola 680x0 line of chips. It will, however, run on Intel-based computers now using Windows 95 and Windows NT. (Tampa Tribune 7 Jan 97 B&F8) -- rvtaylor@netcom.com
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:13:32 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> John Hornkvist wrote: > >When i worked at Apple and had access to about thousands of printers and > >normally only used 3 lasers near me, I would usually print to the one > >nearest me, but if I found that a certain print job was taking too long, I > >could open one desktop printer, find the job that was waiting to print AFTER > >the job that was taking a long time and move it to another printer so that > >it would print. So basically I was printing to two printers simultaneously. > > I don't think this is possible in the current implementation. You > do get a selection of printers to print to when you select the print > option from the application, however. > > Overall, I think most of what you want are easily integrateable > into the NEXTSTEP PrintManager. Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file without opening an application that knows how to print it. If the Mac's desktop printer supports dragging a file icon and dropping it on the desktop printer icon to print the file, that seems like a nice design. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:36:36 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-0801971238420001@news.sover.net> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> In article <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will > get the best applications, and get them soonest? Apparently the NeXT development tools are absolutely compelling, comparatively easy to use, and (for instance) a bigwig at Id who's responsible for Quake is on record as being very interested in jumping back from NT for these tools, when it becomes available from Apple. That would mean the next Quake, 'Mac' first. Evangelist just got a massive spamlike posting which consisted of company after company, most (IMHO) significantly Adobe, raving about the decision. That indicates the Adobe heavyweights, 'Mac' first for the same reasons. What do _you_ think? Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:33:53 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b0lq1$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > In article <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr>, mlbizer@mail.utexas.eduu (Marc > Bizer) wrote: > >In article <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, > >ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > >>I don't think Display PostScript was ever capable of running on such > >>hardware. :-) > > Well, it did run fine on a 25 MHz '030, since that was the > original NeXT > >processor. > Except the machines I mentioned in my posting were a Mac IIcx and an > SE/30, each with a 16MHz 68030 and 8MB of RAM! Original 68030 NeXTcubes were shipped with only 8 MB of RAM as well. The difference in clock rates would have made DPS run more slowly on a 16 MHz. machine, but it would have been very usable. However, the 68030 NeXTcubes included math coprocessors which may not have been included with Mac hardware. I don't know how much DPS depends on a math coprocessor. I believe DPS optimizations may have been made that involved using integer rather than floating point math, but I could be wrong. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: douyang@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Darwin Ouyang) Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3p432.J9E@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:23:26 GMT Distribution: inet References: <5aumpd$dtb@doffen.uninett.no> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5aumpd$dtb@doffen.uninett.no>, Lasse Olsen <lolsen@hsr.no> wrote: >Darwin Ouyang writes: >: In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, >: Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: > >: >The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking >: >operating systems. > >: This is incorrect. > >: Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do >: not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a >: task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. > > However, it has a helluva impact on FPU performance - what's > that, 70 to 100 cycles to clear the pipeline after MMX operands? Ya. I totally agree - MMX+FPU instructions together are gonna *kill* performance. But the statement was that MMX would be a "real nightmare" for OS task schedulers, which is not true. Besides, a task switch already takes an eternity in terms of processor time. ~20 usec. (?) Whats another 100 cycles to the OS scheduler. :) 0.4 usec? Darwin Ouyang
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:56:56 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b0n58$d03@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> In-Reply-To: <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> Followups-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy (Followups trimmed) > APPLE'S CORE WAXES RHAPSODIC > Apple Computer says that for the next few years it will pursue a "dual > operating system" strategy, offering machines that run both its existing > Macintosh System 7 operating system and its new Next-based system, > code-named Rhapsody. Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock promised > existing Mac users that support for System 7 will continue for the next > several years. (Wall Street Journal 7 Jan 97 B6) The new line of machines > is necessary because the Next-based system won't run on any of the existing > Macs, including those using the popular Motorola 680x0 line of chips. It > will, however, run on Intel-based computers now using Windows 95 and > Windows NT. (Tampa Tribune 7 Jan 97 B&F8) > ARGH! This is appalling. Please someone get in contact with them and get the Tribune to print a retraction. The press releases state quite clearly that the new OS *will* run on existing hardware. This reporting is irresponsible, and at this stage could be quite harmful to AppLE. The final sentence is misleading to say the least -- what they actually mean is that applications written for the new OS (i.e. in OpenStep) can be recompiled for and run on Windows95 and WindowsNT without any rewrites being necessary. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Joel Mawhorter <jmawhort@engr.UVic.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:05:50 -0800 Organization: University of Victoria - Faculty of Engineering Message-ID: <32D3E1FE.41C67EA6@engr.UVic.CA> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit R. Taylor wrote: > > remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) wrote: > > >eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) wrote: > > > >>I think I read a quote somewhere (from Ellen Hancock?), stating that > >>Apple's goal was to generate 50% of revenues from software (primarily > >>OS) sales and licensing > > > > >Well, if that's true, they should have dug up the old System 7 port to > >486's some time ago..... > > > >Chris Murphy > > Well, this news feed says that Intel is OK for Rhapsody but no existing > Macs. Can this be right? > > ---- > From EduPage Jan 7 > > APPLE'S CORE WAXES RHAPSODIC > Apple Computer says that for the next few years it will pursue a "dual > operating system" strategy, offering machines that run both its existing > Macintosh System 7 operating system and its new Next-based system, > code-named Rhapsody. Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock promised > existing Mac users that support for System 7 will continue for the next > several years. (Wall Street Journal 7 Jan 97 B6) The new line of machines > is necessary because the Next-based system won't run on any of the existing > Macs, including those using the popular Motorola 680x0 line of chips. It > will, however, run on Intel-based computers now using Windows 95 and Windows > NT. (Tampa Tribune 7 Jan 97 B&F8) > > -- > rvtaylor@netcom.com This is just another ignorant reporter writing about something without doing research. Apple keeps saying that "MacStep" will run on all currently shipping Macs. Take a look at http://www.macos.apple.com/ for more details. -- Joel Mawhorter
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:20:50 GMT Organization: The University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <5apl3e$i15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> William Raphael Hix (raph@porter.as.utexas.edu) wrote: : NNTP-Posting-Host: porter.as.utexas.edu : X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] : Xref: news1.ucsd.edu comp.sys.next.misc:38420 comp.sys.mac.misc:122227 comp.sys.mac.system:158739 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:124317 comp.sys.next.advocacy:42382 : Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.com) wrote: : : I'm actually kind of impressed by this statement. It sums up the Mac : : user sentiment so concisely. : One can give reasonable explanations for the following which might or : might not be true. No one outside of NeXT-Apple will know the real : answers until these decisions have been made, based on whatever : technical or political factors are at play inside this merging process. : : : : From listening to Mac users, I've determined that: : : : : Apple didn't buy NeXT for DPS, it'll use Quickdraw GX. : QDGX vs. DPS will likely boil down to either a turf issue or a money issue. : If the license for DPS costs more than say $30 per user, DPS will not : be part of the OS because Apple will not want to give away that large a : chunk of its $100 per copy price. Likewise if the Apple folks, who : after all are in charge since they bought NeXT, have an attack of : insecurity, DPS will die since it was "not inventied here". And the NeXT engineers will go nuts screaming: "You idiots, do you know just how LONG it took to get OpenStep to work nicely with DPS? Do you REALLY want to break the ONLY native apps for your new operating system?? I thought you bought us because you wanted something which WORKED." : : Apple didn't buy NeXT for its kernel, it'll use the Copland kernel. : The Copland kernal exists and according to demo users is stable. It is : based on a later Mach kernal so it is presumed to be more advanced. If : it is as technically easy as has been suggested to migrate the OpenStep : application model, drivers, etc. to this kernal, using the Copland : kernal will allow the Apple OS people to save a lot of face. So this : will likely happen unless it is too technically difficult. Kernel updates are necessary only so far as they provide good performance and high speed support for new hardware. I bet the first kernel will be Mach because it works. In the future, probably a newer kernel. : This will be MacOS 8, not NextStep 5. To assuage the fears and uncertainties : of the non-technical folks who dominate Apple's customers, there will be : a file management tool which looks and acts very much like the MacOS 7 : finder. Hopefully this will not be the only choice (I actually like CLI : for some purposes) or at least its appearance will be customizable, but : I don't see how Apple can ship an OS which does not allow the bulk of : its loyal user base to have a screen that looks much like MacOS 7, : menu at the top with the multi colored Apple and all. And what about the NON loyal user base? You know, those people who didn't buy Macs and got Apple to where it is now?? Apple had a hit when it broke from the past, and made something radically better than its predecessors. mbk
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:47:30 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0801971347300001@199.166.204.230> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > The NeXT Cube shipped with 8MB of RAM standard. 25 MHz 68030. OO GUI, UNIX > and 1120x832 pixel display. And it always appeared quite quick, compared to > similarly equipped Apple, Sun, or IBM machines. Unless, of course, you ran it > exclusively from the optical media, which was rather slow. So, can we go back to it? Apple's still selling Math chips for a significant number of it's older 030 and 040LC machines. Would a new ROM and perhaps some RAM (for smaller machines) do the trick for machines with xxx amount of drive space? Why ISN'T Apple making an 68k version of the OS? It would seem to me that a PPC/PCI version is OK, but another for the 68k machines would kick ass. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:49:12 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0801971349120001@199.166.204.230> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b065k$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> <rex-ya023080000801970944080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b0h7i$3fg@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b0h7i$3fg@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > Most people used it for Renderman processing, video editing and as a general, > fast color option for Cubes Oh man, that's something I forgot about: NeXTStep Macs means new versions of RenderMan on the Mac again! Phew! Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:45:15 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0801971345150001@199.166.204.230> References: <remedies-0501972357290001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5auvdq$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu> In article <5auvdq$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: > : DPS. It's a lot easier for the VERY small numbers of NeXT application to > : need re-writing to work with GX. Not if you provide GX-like wrappers for OOPS over DPS, then you get both for the price of neither. > The point of Nextstep is to get a *WORKING* *STABLE* *GOOD* operating system > *NOW*. Screwing around with working parts of Nextstep is NOT a smart > idea. Ship first, then start worrying about the Nextstep part of things. Yup. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:41:41 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0801971341410001@199.166.204.230> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > QT 2.5 on 7.5 can do that also. MP support brought preemptive threading > on PowerMacs. Yes, at the expense of a CPU doing process switching. That's no solution, only SMP is. > For enormous expense, admittedly though processor speed has increased > enough now that all one would probably need is an 8500 level computer to > duplicate its functionality. But to get effects like wipes, dissolves, > geometric transformations, etc. going in real-time you'll need a very > optimized software architecture. Mmm. > I did not say that there couldn't be any DPS video editing apps, I said > there weren't any real-time video editing apps. Big difference. MovieClips > lets you see fades and wipes happening in real-time, no need to render a > preview clip like in Premiere. Real-time video effects using CPU power > alone are only now just becoming possible. Well let's hope that the TriMedia helps here too. Maury
From: angus@harlequin.com (Angus Duggan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 08 Jan 1997 19:10:30 GMT Organization: Harlequin Inc, Menlo Park, CA, USA Message-ID: <ANGUS.97Jan8111030@meteor.harlequin.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In-reply-to: ldo@waikato.ac.nz's message of Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:22:41 +1300 In article <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) writes: >>PostScript handles Type 42 (TrueType) fonts quite successfully. > >I don't think this is a standard PostScript feature: it works with Apple's >printers and some others, but not necessarily all of them. It is a standard feature from revision 2015 or 2016 or somesuch onwards. >For more info about QuickDraw GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>. For goodness sake, Lawrence, we all know you like QuickDraw GX and despise PostScript. However, this is a *PostScript* newsgroup, not a QuickDraw GX newsgroup. If you want to tout QD GX over PostScript, find or create an advocacy newsgroup. a. -- Angus Duggan, Harlequin Inc, 301 Ravenswood Ave, | PSUtils 1.16 selects, n-up, Suite 100, Menlo Park, CA 94025, U.S.A. | booklet & more. Anon ftp from http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/ajcd/psutils/ | ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk:pub/ajcd http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ajcd/psutils/ | ftp.tardis.ed.ac.uk:users/ajcd
From: Sumair Mitroo <sumair@macroi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cable for NeXT cube Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:16:05 -0500 Organization: CISNet, Inc. Message-ID: <32D3F275.1FBF@macroi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Needed for a NeXT 040 Cube: I have a defective cable (which goes between the monitor and the cube). I am interested in purchasing this cable if anyone out there has one. Sumair Tel. 330-399-1990 sumair@macroi.com
From: heller@altoetting.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox MGA Mystic supported on NS3.3?? Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:13:57 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5au08l$p4l@lancelot.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: matrox, gateway, driver?? Hello, My wife intends to buy a PC and I want to run NS on it. She is looking into a Gateway2000 Pentium 133MHz machine with a Matrox MGA Mystic (2MB SGRAM) graphics card. I have the following questions: 1) is the Matrox MGA Mystic (2MB SGRAM) graphics card supported by NS3.3 (resolution of 1280*1024*75hz intended)? 2) any comments on buying a gateway200 computer? please, if possible, answer by e-mail to heller@altoetting.de Thanks a lot in advance Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
From: tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu (Robert Tan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhapsody viruses Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:53:09 -0600 Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham Message-ID: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought Nextstep is immune to virus infections. -- Robert K.-Z. Tan -- E-mail: tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu -- Phone: (205)934-0580
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 12:27:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: >Frank <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >>Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz >>and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can >>they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 >>million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! >>How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million >>transistors!!! > >They do it with better design. For example, PPCs do not >sacrifice tons of transistors to emulate an outdated and long >bygone CPU with 16 bit registers and an obsolete memory >addressing model. For example, PPCs do not have to shift >operands from register to register because certain instructions >require their operands in certain registers. For example, PPCs >do not have to access memory as often as Pentiums, because they >have a decent number of general purpose registers. > Having less register is not that bad, simply because the data cache will be used as extending them. If you load a variable in a register to use it, or on cisc indirecly adresse it the result can be the same. And all the 16bit shit can be forgoten at a programer level... >All this results in quite impressive performance. The highly I dont think you get even 2x the performance from what you outlined. bigger L1 & L2 cache, and better memory system make a bigger speed diference in the end. >respected german c't magazine ("c't - Magazin fuer >Computertechnik, Heise publishing, Hannover") has benchmarked >old Pentium processors against new MMX pentium processors using >specialized, supposedly MMX friendly tasks relating with image >processing. They also used special MMX optimized machine code >for the MMX processors to make sure the new MMX chips run at >optimal performance. > >Among the field of tested machines they also had a PPC based >untuned Apple from the same price range as the Pentium machines >tested for comparison. This PPC ran the same tests using normal >machine generated native machine code. c't found that MMX can >substantially improve the throughput of a Pentium for certain >well optimized, very specialized applications. But the PPC was >just as fast to substantially faster than the MMX for all cases >tested by c't with normal, unoptimized code and without MMX >extensions, which are not available for PPC yet. So the >conclusion is that MMX fixes some special cases where the >Pentium is broken by design, while the PPCs design is generally >right. > Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip each individual result in 1 cycle? >c't also found that the memory interface of the PPC machine was >very unoptimized compared to the Pentium PCs tested and that >quite impressive acceleration of PPCs would be possible if the >PPC board had a similarly effective memory interface as the >Pentium processors. This is not a matter of processor design, >but addresses board designer issues instead. So another >conclusion of the test was that while the PPC was outrunning >the Intel machines in the test, it still was not running at >full speed due to the comparatively lame memory interface. > Everyone knows Mac/Apple are terrible at making computer... >c't suggested that the PPC people also introduced MMX >extensions to the PPC, but merely for marketing reasons: there >is no technical need to screw up a nice, expandable and working >design for some seldomly used special purpose application. > Wonder why they included an FPU in there.... Consider the MMX stuff as DPU (Data processing unit). I would suggest tho that if PPC add on on chip DPU that they dont follow the MMX design. >Please note that these tests conducted by c't were using fixed >point or integer arithmetics - things that the MMX extensions >are supposedly specialized for. If the comparison had been made >with FPU using applications, the Intels would have lost even >higher due to their notoriously abysmal floating point >performance. > MMX are used mainly for precessing the data, I dont even think you can create a loop with mmx instructions. >Please also note that Intels cannot combine MMX applications >with FPU applications, because access to the FPU blocks the >data path to the MMX extension hardware on the chip. This is >true when switching between MMX and FPU within the same >application, but it is also true when multitasking between pure >MMX and pure FPU applications. The latter can become a real >nightmare for schedulers of multitasking operating systems. > The MMX instruction set use the FPU registers, so old OS wont break running x86 binary with MMX instruction. Scheduler actually dont care that you have an MMX then one with the FPU ... Also, usually you want to process block of data with the mmx instruction and you can almost alway find a way to not interleave FPU and mmx instruction. >>Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz >>and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. > >The Alpha is a very nice processor, but also a severe case of >trading memory for speed. Just compare code sizes of text and >data segments for a statically linked GNU emacs on Linux for >Intel processors, Linux for PPC and Linux for Alphas. > I did that a while back. the HP pa was the best of the risc bunch in code size. The overall best tho was handcoded 68020 in size & register usage, and the latest sas was the worse. GCC produced average x86 code. My personal felling: If motorola had put as much effort in a 68070 as intel did with their Ppro we probably would have had something totaly amazing. Stephan
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 12:39:36 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b108u$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <5aupsh$id5@news.accessus.net> In article <5aupsh$id5@news.accessus.net>, ******** <********@********.com> wrote: >Th.Huber wrote: > >> Why CISC then ? >> >> CISC code has the option to be executed by future CPUs, which are able to do >> more and more of the complex instructions with RISC technics. >> (e.g 060 has some of these features) > > So is RISC. R2000 code is still compatible with R10000, FYI. > >> Why not RISC ? >> >> RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by > clocking >> the CPU higher and higher. > > It is far easier to implement superscalar execution pipelines with RISC > instruction set than with CISC instruction set. Most modern RISC processors > are > 4-way superscalar, while X86 is limited to 3-way superscalar execution with > Pentium Pro. We should see 8-way superscalar implemetations of RISC > architectures > pretty soon, and I believe Alpha21264 will be the first of bunch. > >> On the long run, we`ll have CPUs that run CISCcode on a RISC CPU, so it`s > really >> silly not to use CISC today. > > You have no idea of what you are talking about, so shut up. I dont agree with you rude posting.... currently risc are not very effiecient at coding instructions and in turn do less per byte. I agree that fixed size instruction is the way to go, but not having simple instructions. Risc in its current implementation will have to die out if we want more performance per instruction fetch and per cached bytes. Stephan
From: yblock@next.mc.maricopa.edu (York Block) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Questions about turbocolor Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:56:26 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <yblock-0801971356270001@10.phoenix-001.az.dial-access.att.net> Hi, I just got my Turbo Color. It is beatiful!!!. I have some questions for you guys: * It came without hard disk. I am thinking to buy an *internal* hard disk between 1.6 and 2.0 g. Does anyone can give an advise with this?? (Where to get it, price, speed, etc). * What kind of modem I can use with my turbo?? - I have a SupraExpress 288 Pnp for PC, a USRobotic 14.4 for Mac and a ISDN Motorola BitSURFER PRO for Mac.( I have an ISDN line ) Well those are my questions for now, but I am sure I will be asking more. ;-) Thank you for your advises!!! York P. Block ps. NeXT UI is better than Mac UI. However, a good combination of both would be even better!!! ;-)
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 12:58:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> In article <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211>, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org >(Th.Huber) wrote: > >> >> RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by >clocking >> the CPU higher and higher. > >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched >to seperate execution units. > Risc need bigger cache, faster instruction fecth to execute the same logic. >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) > And need more bandwidth and faster/bigger cache. Having fixed size instruction is great, but this do not stop you from having more complex instruction doing more per instruction. >Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What >does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a >simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then executed. > Thats the amazing part too me... that this actually work :) It execute 3 variable size instruction per cycle.... >How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed >the RISC code directly? > Humm, the code size would probably double, so you need to spend $ on bigger cache and faster memory. >Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC >chip. > >This don't make CISC bad, just not better. > My view is, cisc better exploit the resource at hand... risc are alot faster/cheaper to design and improve giving them the edge. Even so, like some mentioned, at one time, the Pentiumpro was THE fastest CPU on earth for integer work :) > >(I won't even bring up the point that RISC chips have high clocks >"Because they can"!) > My only concern with risc chip is their efficientcy. Not data wise tho. > >In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in >a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is >written against a particular CPU will be shortlived. > Yes, but it will live long enought to make sense to do it. (I mean hand written specific CPU code) >Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against >8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but >very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. > Code written for the P5 might run VERY porrly on a P6 etc... > >Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. > My advice... Write in the language that fit the best, and hand optimize assembly version of the critical part (If any). Most compiler today can produce code as much as 4 time slower as human rewritten code. Stephan
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Followup-To: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 19:20:28 GMT Organization: The University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5b0s1s$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <jinx6568-0801971238420001@news.sover.net> Chris Johnson (jinx6568@sover.net) wrote: : In article <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: : > You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will : > get the best applications, and get them soonest? : Apparently the NeXT development tools are absolutely compelling, : comparatively easy to use, and (for instance) a bigwig at Id who's : responsible for Quake is on record as being very interested in jumping : back from NT for these tools, when it becomes available from Apple. Remember, you can write for OpenStep, AND run on NT. That : would mean the next Quake, 'Mac' first. Uh not quite. Quake is a real-time operating system running on Intel Pentium hardware, loaded by DOS. It has intimate knowledge of PC graphics and sound hardware. Quake tools are what ID use to design the levels and bitmaps.
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 8 Jan 1997 21:43:17 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5b14dl$48e@news.xmission.com> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu (Robert Tan) wrote: > At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus > utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought > Nextstep is immune to virus infections. NeXT software is as immune as you'd expect a UNIX to be--I've used since version 1.0 (1990 or so timeframe) and have never heard of a virus for it. Because of the UNIX permissions scheme, there's not a lot a virus _could_ do to a system...unless it acts as a trojan horse and gets super-user status. No UNIX is perfect, and security is only as good as the sysadmin's ability to configure it. So an app like Satan--which pinpoints security holes and tells you how to plug them--is probably more appropriate for NeXT systems. Note that, as shipped, there are many security holes in NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP. But nearly all of them can be plugged by properly configuring your system. Since that step isn't easy for beginners, I do see room for apps that walk the user through the process. Trojan horses and worms could possibly present problems, and once Java is thrown into the mix, that could open up new problems. (Java security isn't too bad though, so I'm not really worried about this myself.) One of the things that has protected most NEXTSTEP systems from serious attacks is that it is an obscure OS--so very few know what the holes are. Once Apple is distributing it, that's won't be so true anymore! A big contributor to the obliqueness is that NEXT machines use NetInfo for configuration info, which replaces most of the traditional UNIX flat files with a special database-- which turns out to be a big improvement. So most attackers that know how to attack UNIX machines still have to deal with all those differences, and it isn't easy to do. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:40:45 +0100 Organization: Happiness is a computer called Macintosh :-) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> écrivait : > Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible > for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think > any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip > each individual result in 1 cycle? Can a Pentium MMX access 8 values in memory in 1 cycle ? No ! And there is few common programs who need this kind of integer work. MMX will be very interesting for games ! -- Email : Serge.Rossi@wanadoo.fr ; Serge.Rossi@renault.fr Fidonet : 2:320/405.42 ; 2:320/109.42 First Class : Serge Rossi,Ellis Web : http://www.burpteam.home.ml.org/
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 8 Jan 1997 22:15:32 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5b16a4$sdo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> Cc: tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu In <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> Robert Tan wrote: > At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus > utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought > Nextstep is immune to virus infections. > > Maybe Apple will soften the UNIXish behaviour enough to enable viruses to become a reality but methinks the real reason is to make $ :-) -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Message-ID: <E3p89o.6K6@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <AEF5D929-2FF77@198.68.42.184> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:53:48 GMT "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > John C. Randolph <jcr@idiom.com> said: > > [corrections snipt] > > >Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that > >GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a > >vertical frame interval, isn't it? > > > How is DPS for animating text? > > Are there any animation applications that use DPS calls to provide > animation? > > > On the Mac, there is a GX codec for QuickTime, and Lari Software's > Electrifier uses GX byte streams over the internet to animate web pages. > > From my understanding, Bravo does NOT use a PostScript interpreter, so even > Adobe isn't happy with PostScript performance for web-page animation. > > --------------------------------------------------- > "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the > original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we > should all go home." -Me > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Of course it does! -- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 16:36:52 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0801971636520001@199.166.204.230> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> In article <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > The problem is, from all that we can gather, NO Apple engineer was shown > one of these demos. They were all upper-level management, most of whom have > only been at Apple for a few months. All of whom apparently don't know a > thing about Apple technology, such as GX's multi-language capabilities, The question reamins though, can the NeXT OS do it? IE, can it push all that *real* multimedia through the system? The BeOS can. Maury
From: william@mathworks.com (William York) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep (NeXTStep?) for Sparc Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:47:47 -0500 Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <5b186j$dcf@madmax.mathworks.com> References: <32D2CA00.63DE@ldp.com> <5b0ek4$g43@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> I've been running the Solaris version of openstep for a while and althought it in beta (and parts of it are pretty slow) it's a ver nice front end to solaris - better than fvwm or the others. If all you want is a new window manager, get bowman. if you want the editor, "right" version of the dock, the mail app, and the workspace browser, get the beta software from sun. Bill In article <5b0ek4$g43@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Allen Braunsdorf <ab@purdue.edu> wrote: >Rolfe Tessem <rolfe@ldp.com> wrote: >>Where can I purchase a copy, and where can I find out exactly which >>Sparc platforms it runs on? > >That depends whether you want to run OPENSTEP (over Solaris) >or NEXTSTEP. Check Sun's web pages for the former, NeXT's >for the latter. > >I'm running NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a Tatung clone of a SparcStation >5/85 with a CG3 graphics card (I had to patch the CG6 driver >myself to get it to work right), and it's great. Runs about >four times faster than our Turbos, is color, and has more >screen real-estate. I love it to death. > >I hear OPENSTEP over Solaris is a big resource hog, and it >is Solaris :-), but it's probably a lot better than using >X stuff on Solaris. If you're already running Solaris >(we're a SunOS shop), check out the demo you can download >from Sun. I haven't, so that's all I know. > >ab -- William York william@mathworks.com
From: "FJ van Wingerde" <fj@medg.lcs.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 8 Jan 97 17:52:20 -0500 Organization: Harvard University University Information Systems Message-ID: <AEF98F58-180F6C@134.174.31.187> References: <32D3182D.497017D7@screaming.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.harvard.edu/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.harvard.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy Pohl Longsine wrote: > Has anybody seen any press reaction to the already-extant > application market (albeit small, but high-quality) that > Apple just bought-into? It is wierd, in a way. Lighthouse, Stone, suddenly they can expect their markets to become huger than they thought. If a full OpenStep port happens to Rhapsody (which seems very likely), suddenly the Mission Critical stuff can be deployed everywhere. Remembering what c.s.n.a was and has been over the years, this new perspective seems wierd. From a struggling, mismarketed Box->Software->API, the product has become the savior of Apple. O-kay... I suddenly have to chuckle at the thought that in a year, maybe most of the PowerMac users out there just might be running... NetInfo. Has anybody checked in with Mark Crispin to see what kinds of nightmares he's having? FJ!!
From: lark@odyssey.cognex.com (Lar Kaufman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:41:00 -0500 Organization: Cognex Corporation Message-ID: <5b17ps$rgf@odyssey.cognex.com> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> In article <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218>, Robert Tan <tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu> wrote: >At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus >utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought >Nextstep is immune to virus infections. First it is important to understand that NeXTstep is a GUI on top of a Mach microkernel. In that, it is basicly a Unix-flavored OS. Other Mach-based Unixes include OSF/1 distributions (including IBM's AIX on PowerPC, if I recall correctly--do you see a hidden advantage to Apple's going with NeXTstep?) and MkLinux, which is also being developed under Apple's wing. Of course, no OS is immune to virus infections. NeXTstep, like all Un*xes, is relatively virus-free for several good reasons: 1 Unix isn't the general playground of the juvenile mind that is the usual virus-maker. 2 Unix users are relatively knowledgeable about OSes, and Unix viruses are less likely to be redistributed in ignorance. 3 Unix flavors are of two main types: commercial and freeware. The commercial distributions are not casually bootlegged and are usually maintained by very savvy system administrators with rigorous backup and antivirus control systems. Not fertile ground for spreading viruses. The freeware Unixes (NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, and MkLinux mostly) are typically distributed via CDROM or by retrieval from an FTP archive, making it easy to avoid getting infected application files. 4 Unix is a multiuser OS with built-in access and privilege controls to prevent one person's processes from corrupting files owned by the system or by others, etc. To do real damage, the virus is going to have to be run with root privilege, an administrative privilege exercised by an ID not normally used for running applications or generally mucking around on the system. (Most Unix administrators don't use their root ID for general system access.) 5 Unix is an open development environment. Persons who might develop viruses on another system may find more fame and satisfaction porting an application or developing a utility or device driver instead. 6 Unix has been around 30 years, and the Mach kernel has been around nearly half that long. It's harder to munge a stable multi-user OS. Still, you can expect viruses to quickly appear on Rhapsody, especially if Apple fails to leave access for users to get "under the covers" of the OS to find out what's happening. The more users are shielded from knowing how their OS works, the more vulnerable they are (as a group) to viruses. -lar -- - Running Linux 2ed, by Matt Welsh & Lar Kaufman: O'Reilly & Assoc. 1996 -
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:16:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF97BE2-80ECC@198.68.42.165> References: <maury-0801971345150001@199.166.204.230> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> said: >In article <5auvdq$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) >wrote: > >> : DPS. It's a lot easier for the VERY small numbers of NeXT application to >> : need re-writing to work with GX. > > Not if you provide GX-like wrappers for OOPS over DPS, then you get both >for the price of neither. > Nyet. GX is an optimized database of graphical objects. If you put it into OOPS and have it call DPS from outside the interpreter, you're adding two layers of slowdown to something that is considerably faster than DPS. Hardly worth doing, IMHO. >> The point of Nextstep is to get a *WORKING* *STABLE* *GOOD* operating >system >> *NOW*. Screwing around with working parts of Nextstep is NOT a smart >> idea. Ship first, then start worrying about the Nextstep part of things. > Sure. But there are bound to be spare byte-codes laying around unused by the DPS interpreter. Use one of these as an escape code to allow direct calling of GX "atomic" calls via the DPS interpreter. YOu get an unmodified DPS *and* you get an optimized GX. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:12:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF97B0C-7DC83@198.68.42.165> References: <maury-0801971636520001@199.166.204.230> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> said: >In article <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135>, "Lawson English" ><english@primenet.com> wrote: > >> The problem is, from all that we can gather, NO Apple engineer was shown >> one of these demos. They were all upper-level management, most of whom >have >> only been at Apple for a few months. All of whom apparently don't know a >> thing about Apple technology, such as GX's multi-language capabilities, > > The question reamins though, can the NeXT OS do it? IE, can it push all >that *real* multimedia through the system? The BeOS can. Do you know something that the QT team doesn't? AFAIK, Be's demos were bogus also. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 23:25:28 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5b1ad8$osu@josie.abo.fi> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> Andrew Carol, in <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211>: [...] >Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against >8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but >very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. surely you jest. comparing wall clock times between the original 8086 and the P5, the latter should still be an order of magnitude or two faster, optimal or suboptimal. -- "...it's all wrong but it's alright..." -- Clapton
From: The Central Scrutinizer <AWalkDownRealityStreet@whitehouse.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:54:09 -0700 Organization: The Department of Censorship and Claptrap Message-ID: <32D31A61.5EB4@whitehouse.gov> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military > computer language >called Ada also offers interfaces). First, Ada is a piece of crap. Second, I use interfaces all the time in C++. A class is a generalization of a struct and an interface can be defined as (a) a struct of functions (all public by default) or by (b) creating an Abstract Base Class (aka class defined with pure virtual methods). Neither inheritance nor interfaces are the be-all-end-all, but some of eash is a nice way to do things. >>>>> There is nothing else in Objective C worth anything. <<<<< Not entirely different from your opinions. You have delusions of adequacy .... Go play in the street.
From: ct207@cam.ac.uk (Constantin Teleman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 23:52:12 GMT Organization: St. John's College Message-ID: <ct207-0801972354340001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <ct207-0301971033150001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk> <ldo-0801972153050001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0801972153050001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > In article <ct207-0301971033150001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk>, ct207@cam.ac.uk > (Constantin Teleman) wrote: > >In article <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, > >ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > > > >> Unfortunately, PostScript printers have never been, and never will be, the > >> norm. I estimate they account for less than 6% of the current printer > >> market, and this share is dwindling. > > > > But they probably account for nearly 100% of the *quality* printer > >market... > > In case you hadn't noticed, "PostScript" is no longer synonymous with > "quality". [...] Indeed, I notice nothing of the kind. > >... and it's pointless to debate the merits of advanced imaging > >technologies when talking about cheap inkjets. > Why not? That's the beauty of GX--that it *can* give you such high-quality > imaging on such low-cost hardware. The limitations of output quality come from the printer, not from the imaging model, so that debate is pointless. > Those cheap inkjets are pretty damn > good--which is why they now account for 80% of the printer market, They're also cheaper, so people can afford them, and they break down more often, so people *have* to buy more of them ... :-) > >If PS rasterization is built into the operating system, you won't > >need a PS printer to print a PS file (though it will be faster). > > You don't need PostScript rasterization to be built into the system for > this--all you need is one tool for converting PostScript to fully-editable > GX format, And then rasterize the GX image. Do you notice an extra step here? By the standards you yourself have set -- that it should work on *any* PS file -- the translator would have to be a full PS interpreter. Are you sudenly suggesting this can be fast and easy? If so, why is GX necessary? > >By the way, printing QuickDraw on a PS printer *will* slow down your > >machine, while it converts QD to PS. > > Well, it's better than slowing your machine down every time it draws on > the screen using Display PostScript, isn't it? :) Other users seem to dispute this "slowdown" allegation. Can you offer some support for it ? > >> I've got news for you: you probably already have several GX printers about > >> the place! Remember, every PostScript printer is a GX printer. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > What on earth could you mean by that? Are you implying that GX is a > >subset of PostScript? (It's not.) > > No, the GX graphics model is, in nearly every respect, a superset of the > Postcript one. Which makes your previous statement false. > > Will any PostScript printer understand downloaded GX commands? (They won't.) > > Yes they will! Remember, unlike PostScript, GX is not a glorified > printer-control language, it is a full graphics and printing architecture. No they won't. See this word? / > The printing architec / ture includes support for things called "printer > drivers", that translate GX graphics into printer-specific commands to put ^^^^^^^^^ > marks on the page. Good Lord, something that does not "support printer drivers that translate commands into printer-specific commands to put marks on the page" is not capable of printing. You are saying "GX is so great, because we can print!" Well I've got some news, we've been printing along for a decade before GX came out. > GX includes in-built support for three main classes of printers: raster > ("dumb"), vector (plotter) and PostScript. In particular, it provides > common code for handling many of the common imaging tasks specific to > these classes of printers. For PostScript, this includes a powerful > GX-to-PostScript translator that takes care of common PostScript headaches > like splitting of complex paths, loading fonts, managing printer memory > usage and so on. The result is that writing a printer driver for QuickDraw > GX is *much* easier than for any other printing architecture. Could you explain why this should be so relevant to anyone except the person who is writing the driver. It's not that we need to fill our machines with all the available printer drivers. We do, however, need application support to use the GX features that go beyond basic QD. And most relevant applications do not support this manna from heaven, and show no clear intention of doing so in the future. > >You seem to equate "is a GX > >printer" with "there is a GX-aware driver for it". These are NOT the > >same things. > > Most people would disagree. After all, in the Mac world, it has been > common for a long time to talk about "PostScript" printers versus > "QuickDraw" printers (basically, everything that wasn't "PostScript"). And > when my StyleWriter was first released in 1991, it was labelled a > "TrueType" printer! And that is exactly the distinction you have failed to observe. You evidently know a lot about printing and GX, and this suggests that the misrepresentations you make are deliberate. Is there any reason for this propaganda war? cheers, constantin
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep (NeXTStep?) for Sparc Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:13:27 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32D44637.7BD4@erols.com> References: <32D2CA00.63DE@ldp.com> <5b0ek4$g43@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <5b186j$dcf@madmax.mathworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: William York <william@mathworks.com> > I've been running the Solaris version of openstep for a while and > althought it in beta (and parts of it are pretty slow) it's a ver nice > front end to solaris - better than fvwm or the others. > > If all you want is a new window manager, get bowman. > > if you want the editor, "right" version of the dock, the mail app, and > the workspace browser, get the beta software from sun. I've heard that binaries for Solaris will run on Linux/Sparc. Do you know if Sun's OPENSTEP/Solaris will run on Linux/Sparc? --gh
From: passenger@cybercom.net (T. Vector) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:14:46 -0400 Organization: Cyber Access Internet Services (617) 396-0491 Message-ID: <passenger-0801972014460001@mfd-dial3-25.cybercom.net> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> In article <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218>, tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu (Robert Tan) wrote: >At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus >utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought >Nextstep is immune to virus infections. > it's necessary to Symantec. that's the only Mac software they have that makes a dime. i wouldn't be too concerned about it; when's the last time you actually saw a Mac virus?
From: mroeder@macromedia.com (Michael Roeder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 12:23:32 -0800 Organization: Macromedia, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <mroeder-0801971223320001@mroeder-mac1.macromedia.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de wrote: > I think Apple, if they play their cards right, can take a significant > portion of the personal computer and low- to medium end workstation > markets. I just hope they don't become a virtual monopoly like Microsoft. Microsoft has become a "virtual monopoly" (nice term; I like it!) through selling both the operating system and the applications for PCompatibles. Rumor had it that Windows had bunches of secret APIs that they only told MS apps developers, enabling MS apps to run faster and better than the competition's. And you can't get the official Windows logo for your product if it competes with any of the applications in MS Office. Only if you write some application for a Market that Microsoft hasn't decided to dominate can you call it Windows-compatible. Apple writes system software. They spun off their applications software business as Claris, which has been doing very well by selling to Windows as well as Macintosh markets. So basically, you're right. And for Apple, playing the cards right means to create the best OS for personal computers and give the applications developers the chance to develop the applications. -- Michael Roeder Here's the Deal: You send me junk mail and you pay me $1500. Okay?
From: mroeder@macromedia.com (Michael Roeder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 12:26:29 -0800 Organization: Macromedia, Inc. Message-ID: <mroeder-0801971226290001@mroeder-mac1.macromedia.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <nervous-0701972212090001@ascend22.netrover.com> In article <nervous-0701972212090001@ascend22.netrover.com>, nervous@system.net (Nervous) wrote: > In article <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > > > €You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will > €get the best applications, and get them soonest? > > Whichever one is easier to develop on i.e. OpenStep. That's the platform the developers would like to develop for. Unfortunately, the marketing dweebs will ask the developers to write applications for the platform they think has the biggest market. (This, of course, leaves the cool market waay open for the innovators.) -- Michael Roeder Here's the Deal: You send me junk mail and you pay me $1500. Okay?
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 9 Jan 1997 01:30:33 GMT Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0801972031070001@ascend3.netrover.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <E3nG0s.Gyy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <5avm6c$v95@white.koehntopp.de> Whoever started this pathetic thread can eat shit. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry; a highly emotional utterance or literary work; RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
From: "Raymond L. Ehrlich" <rehrlich@sprintmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cable for NeXT cube Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:32:37 +0000 Organization: Sprint Internet Passport Technical Center-Tampa, Fl Message-ID: <32D40465.4776@sprintmail.com> References: <32D3F275.1FBF@macroi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sumair Mitroo <sumair@macroi.com> Sumair Mitroo wrote: > > Needed for a NeXT 040 Cube: > > I have a defective cable (which goes between the monitor and the cube). > I am interested in purchasing this cable if anyone out there has one. > > Sumair > Tel. 330-399-1990 > sumair@macroi.com Sumair, Maybe you can try http://www.deepspacetech.com . Ray Every human being is a potential friend
From: jdoherty@ix.netcom.com (John Doherty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:36:37 -0600 Organization: (none) Message-ID: <jdoherty-0801972036370001@aus-tx13-06.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <ldo-0401972147210001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5alm5c$kof@chico.franken.de> <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In article <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz wrote: | Because QuickDraw GX isn't a programming language, it is able to provide... | a print-file format that makes page extraction and other such operations a | breeze. What print-file format is that? What software is available to manipulate files in this format? How does this software, if any, compare to what's available to manipulate DSC-compliant PS files?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <E3prKD.7wq@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <5aqbt5$h0e@white.koehntopp.de> <AEF6AD74-EA77DC@134.174.152.63> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:50:37 GMT "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 1997 3:08 AM, Kristian Kšhntopp <mailto:KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> > wrote: > >Desktop printers are a shorthand macro for "Fire up the default > >application for this document and select its Print command." > >The macro may even select a printer in the print dialog > >depending on the desktop printers name. > > But desktop printers are also useful for monitoring the status of a print > job. Since the icon changes to reflect the printing status. You can also > double click on a printer icon to see what the printer is doing. How does > NeXTSTEP monitor printing now? Since most people only print to one printer > (at least one printer at a time), I think this could be easily solved by > having a printer.app which showed the status of printing in it's icons. > Double clicking it could bring up a list of all print jobs and their > status, listed by printer. > > -- > Ishir Bhan (ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu) > Harvard Medical School, Class of '00 > http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/~ibhan > > Already done in PrinterManager.app. You can print or fax on as many printer, in fact faxing is just like printing. Also you can view the spool, stop the printing and only allowed to remove your own print jobs (it's a multi user environment!), unless you have root access. -- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
From: "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 9 Jan 1997 02:04:41 GMT Organization: mother.com Internet Services Message-ID: <01bbfdbf$64bbf100$04387880@test1> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> > >Well, if that's true, they should have dug up the old System 7 port to > >486's some time ago..... > Well, this news feed says that Intel is OK for Rhapsody but no existing > Macs. Can this be right? > > ---- > From EduPage Jan 7 > several years. (Wall Street Journal 7 Jan 97 B6) The new line of machines > is necessary because the Next-based system won't run on any of the existing > Macs, including those using the popular Motorola 680x0 line of chips. It > will, however, run on Intel-based computers now using Windows 95 and Windows > NT. (Tampa Tribune 7 Jan 97 B&F8) As far as I know, Apple's OpenStep will run on Windows NT but NOT windows 95. NeXT originally planned to do Windows 95, but I think they abandoned it. OpenStep for Mach (A.K.A. NEXTSTEP) does not run on ALL Intel-based computers which can use Windows 95 and Windows NT. NEXTSTEP is limited to systems which have appropriate drivers, and I suspect a substantial percentage of Intel-based computers do not have appropriate drivers. In summary, Apple has the following software shipping TODAY: (1) MacOS 7.x for all Apple and Apple-clone PowerPCs (2) OpenStep for Windows NT (running on Intel hardware) (3) OpenStep for Mach (running on a limited set of Intel-based computers, SPARCstations, and NeXTstations) (4) WebObjects, PDO, and other supporting software running on a variety of hardware and OS platforms. In about six months Apple should be shipping OpenStep for <unknown kernel> running on all currently shipping [Apple approved] Power PC systems. This system would not be able to run MacOS 7.x applications (at least, that is not a target). In about twelve months, the first consumer version should ship which would let OpenStep and MacOS 7.x run simultaneously on the <unknown kernel>. This first consumer version would not run all MacOS 7.x applications, but improvements will be made in subsequent releases. I hope Apple not only chooses to sell, but also actively promote, OpenStep for Mach for Intel and other hardware as well as OpenStep for Windows NT. I also hope Apple intends to make sure the <unknown kernel> runs on Intel-based computers as well. Todd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701082125.NAA18608@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: b4de8624ce1e354d00bfbb18623fce73 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: b4de8624ce1e354d00bfbb18623fce73 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: "Dale Friesen" <dalef@bolen.bc.ca> Original Date: 7 Jan 97 09:08:27 -0800 > Please pardon my ignorance, but since NeXT runs on different CPUs > is it necessary to recompile for each? Or are the APIs fairly high > level such that you can write something for NeXT, drop it on a > CD-ROM and anyone running the OS (regardless of hardware) can use > it? If the latter, will this include the Mac running Rhapsody (the > NeXT-based MacOS)? I can't say exactly what the future will be like, but here's the present/past of NeXTStep: NeXTStep 3 could be run on NeXT Hardware ("Cubes" "slabs" etc), and Intel-based machines, HPs, and SPARCs. You could write a program on any one of these 4 and compile it so that it would run on all 4 (this was called building a "Fat" app(lication) or "MAB" (for "Multi-Architecture Binary". With "OpenStep" this was expanded. There was OpenStep/Mach which ran on NeXT, Intel, HP and SPARC, but there was also OpenStep/NT and OpenStep/Solaris. Consequently, you could write an app on OpenStep/Mach (on a NeXT machine, Intel, HP or SPARC) and then recompile it on OpenStep/Solaris and/or OpenStep/NT. The advantages are obvious, you write an app on one machine and it can be used on several, simply by recoming the source code (but without having to make changes to the code) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701082127.NAA18852@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 75ca539a6a34ea6b82ff005c62dc366d - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 16:26:50 -0500 Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 75ca539a6a34ea6b82ff005c62dc366d - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary PLEASE MOVE THIS TO THE ADVOCASY GROUPS. IT DOES NOT BELONG IN COMP.SYS.NeXT.MISC I'M SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT GX AND DPS TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701082135.NAA19665@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: abf7ee76cbc3aefb6b0deb03be79f748 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 16:35:00 -0500 Subject: Re: OpenStep (NeXTStep?) for Sparc Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com, rob@optimal-object.com References: abf7ee76cbc3aefb6b0deb03be79f748 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Rolfe Tessem <rolfe@ldp.com> Original Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:11:12 -0500 > Where can I purchase a copy, and where can I find out exactly which > Sparc platforms it runs on? Try contacting the wonderful man known only as "rob@optimal-object.com" who wears a dark cape and can be seen late at night dealing with NeXTStep/OpenStep orders ;-) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701082141.NAA20546@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 9ff92688693d1341366f6c63d552bcd5 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 16:41:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Latest OS for NeXT Cube? Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com, rob@optimal-object.com References: 9ff92688693d1341366f6c63d552bcd5 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: dforrest@pop.erols.com (Daryl Forrest) Original Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:32:02 -0500 > I've been lucky enough to be loaned an (original) NeXT cube (with > 17" megapixel monochrome display, 400dpi printer, and CD-ROM drive) > to play with for a while. lucky you! > What is the latest NeXTStep OS release for this machine? NeXTStep 3.3 (unless you want to go to OpenStep 4.1) > Are these OS updates free? Smoking the cheap stuff Daryl? ;-) No, unfortunately they are not. > Any idea on how to get the latest OS for this machine? comp.sys.next.marketplace for NeXTStep rob@optimal-object.com for OpenStep (licensed vendor) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
From: bwdutton@ucdavis.edu (Bradley W. Dutton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 20:07:01 -0700 Organization: none Message-ID: <bwdutton-0801972007010001@dav1-2.calweb.com> References: <jinx6568-0801971238420001@news.sover.net> <5b0s1s$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> In article <5b0s1s$19n@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: > Chris Johnson (jinx6568@sover.net) wrote: > : In article <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > : > You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which platform will > : > get the best applications, and get them soonest? > > : Apparently the NeXT development tools are absolutely compelling, > : comparatively easy to use, and (for instance) a bigwig at Id who's > : responsible for Quake is on record as being very interested in jumping > : back from NT for these tools, when it becomes available from Apple. > > Remember, you can write for OpenStep, AND run on NT. > > That > : would mean the next Quake, 'Mac' first. > > Uh not quite. Quake is a real-time operating system running on > Intel Pentium hardware, loaded by DOS. It has intimate knowledge of > PC graphics and sound hardware. > > Quake tools are what ID use to design the levels and bitmaps. Since we are on the subject of games, how will they run on the projected NeXtMacOS? Just yesterday I heard my roomate complaining about how slow WinNT is compared to Win95 when playing games, even when the game is set to the highest priority on the NT system. Will the NeXtMacOS be so multitasked and protected that performance on games will decline? Any information or views would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brad -- Bradley W. Dutton EE Major U.C. Davis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701082134.NAA19566@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: c05160908a0e7f36db2d6bb793f645e6 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 16:33:50 -0500 Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: c05160908a0e7f36db2d6bb793f645e6 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Please help me move this thread out of the comp.sys.next.misc group and into one of the advocasy groups. The charter of 'comp.sys.next.misc' specifically indicates that nothing should ever be crossposted to it. Please remove 'comp.sys.next.misc' from any further messages that belong in the advocasy groups. Thank you TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 03:45:03 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-0801972247100001@news.sover.net> References: <maury-0801971345150001@199.166.204.230> <AEF97BE2-80ECC@198.68.42.165> In article <AEF97BE2-80ECC@198.68.42.165>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Sure. But there are bound to be spare byte-codes laying around unused by > the DPS interpreter. Use one of these as an escape code to allow direct > calling of GX "atomic" calls via the DPS interpreter. YOu get an unmodified > DPS *and* you get an optimized GX. 68K trap-patching lives! *hehe* :) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 8 Jan 1997 07:54:25 GMT Organization: Puppy Dog Software Distribution: inet Message-ID: <mmunz-0801970053350001@slc-dial-28.inconnect.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org (Th.Huber) wrote: >>I will leave you with this thought: >>Reduced Instruction Set = Less Transistors = Lower Cost. > >It isn`t as simple as that. > >RISC uses a reduced instructionset, to use all of the available transistors >to speed up these instructions. RISC uses carry-look-ahead logic to do very >quick maths, while plain CISC takes lots of cycles to get the same thing done. Actually, RISC stands for Reduced Instruction Set Computer. But, it does not necessarily mean less instructions (I believe PPC has some 200 instructions). The term refers to the ISA (Instruction Set Architecture) and not the processor. What RISC can be thought of is: A large uniform register set A load/store architecture A minimal number of addressing modes A simple fixed-length instruction encoding No/minimal support for misaligned accesses btw.. there is an interesting book by Kip McClanahan called "PowerPC Programming for Intel Programmers" to gives a side-by-side comparison of the x86 and the PPC differences in architecture and such. Even though I'm not an x86 programmer, I still found the book to be full of good explanations of how the PPC worked. Mark Munz
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 9 Jan 97 07:53:22 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.852796402@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <mroeder-0801971223320001@mroeder-mac1.macromedia.com> Originator: doenges@nelion.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de mroeder@macromedia.com (Michael Roeder) writes: >In article <doenges.852644182@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, >doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de wrote: >> I think Apple, if they play their cards right, can take a significant >> portion of the personal computer and low- to medium end workstation >> markets. I just hope they don't become a virtual monopoly like Microsoft. >Microsoft has become a "virtual monopoly" (nice term; I like it!) (I call Microsoft a 'virtual' monopoly because you still have a choice, at least in theory.) > through >selling both the operating system and the applications for PCompatibles. >Rumor had it that Windows had bunches of secret APIs that they only >told MS apps developers, enabling MS apps to run faster and better than >the competition's. And you can't get the official Windows logo for your >product if it competes with any of the applications in MS Office. Only if >you write some application for a Market that Microsoft hasn't decided to >dominate can you call it Windows-compatible. Well, I would consider Apple a monopoly if the only operating system in town came from Apple, regardless of wether they were active in the application market. That would be a Very Bad Thing for innovation. >Apple writes system software. They spun off their applications software >business as Claris, which has been doing very well by selling to Windows >as well as Macintosh markets. So basically, you're right. And for Apple, >playing the cards right means to create the best OS for personal computers >and give the applications developers the chance to develop the applications. I agree. Let's hope they finally get it right this time. I've been waiting since 1993 ... I'm not going to wait much longer. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 9 Jan 1997 05:13:23 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5b1upj$48e@news.xmission.com> References: <jinx6568-0801971238420001@news.sover.net> <5b0s1s$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> <bwdutton-0801972007010001@dav1-2.calweb.com> bwdutton@ucdavis.edu (Bradley W. Dutton) wrote: > Since we are on the subject of games, how will they run on the projected > NeXtMacOS? Just yesterday I heard my roomate complaining about how slow > WinNT is compared to Win95 when playing games, even when the game is set > to the highest priority on the NT system. Will the NeXtMacOS be so > multitasked and protected that performance on games will decline? Any > information or views would be greatly appreciated. I've written several arcade style games for NEXTSTEP and am intimately familiar with the source code for several others. The performance under NEXTSTEP isn't too bad. In attempting to port the same games to OPENSTEP (what Apple's building off of) I've run into some performance difficulties. It seems that they are primarily due to changes in the way the AppKit is doing things (one game saw a 50% drop in performance running on identical hardware). Once I figure out what is going on and determine some new drawing optimization techniques, though, I should be able to get performance back to what it was. (The NEXTSTEP to OPENSTEP conversion, as it turns out, is non- trivial...) That said, OPENSTEP specific code is slower than NEXTSTEP code, but OPENSTEP runs the NEXTSTEP code as fast as ever, so that is why I blame the new AppKit for any performance losses. And NeXT's stuff doesn't seem that much slower, so that suggests that I should be able to get the previous good performance as I tweak the code. Note that NeXT has a non-public API that would be perfect for game writers called the Interceptor. NeXT Doom makes use of this API--it allows you to "punch a hole" in DPS and splat an image right into the frame buffer. The performance of games that use it seems to be quite good. If that API were opened up to developers in general, performance would not be a concern. Of course, the blue box compatability mode will probably suffer a little bit--the more software layers you put around an app, the slower it will run. Apple claims it won't be too bad, though, so we'll have to wait and see, I guess. Also, when I talk about the performance decrease, this is on very intense, graphically rich, arcade-style animations, and the hardware was a slow 68040. On my Pentium Pro 200, I can't tell the difference between the two apps. (So I go to the 68040 to test optimizations, since the slow hardware magnifies speed differences.) Obviously, the better hardware, even with the reduced performance, can produce the desired frame rate anyway. Given the speed of PowerPC hardware, you may well see a similar effect--the hardware is fast enough to erase speed differences. Only a computationally intensive game--like a Sim game in it's fastest mode--would show a significant difference. Anyway, this is all conjecture until we have the new OS to play with. However, past experience with NEXTSTEP tells me that games should do just fine on the new OS. I plan to make sure mine run there, so I can at least guarantee that there will be games. Maybe I'll even find time to finish the several I've got squirreled away on my hard drive unfinished. :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 8 Jan 1997 23:53:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEF9E70B-FC8C@198.68.42.180> References: <jinx6568-0801972247100001@news.sover.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> said: ><english@primenet.com> wrote: >> Sure. But there are bound to be spare byte-codes laying around unused by >> the DPS interpreter. Use one of these as an escape code to allow direct >> calling of GX "atomic" calls via the DPS interpreter. YOu get an unmodified >> DPS *and* you get an optimized GX. > > 68K trap-patching lives! *hehe* I don't think so. My understanding is that DPS under NeXT is enhanced over what it is on other systems. One assumes (if this is the case), it is because the interpreter can be extended. Since GX calls would be non-changing (unlike a language), you don't really need to use an interpreter for GX calls, but the escape code could be a pointer to some kind of jump table. You could even extend the concept and have a jump table to a jump table in case more than one alternative graphics API was planned (can we say "Original QuickDraw API?" I knew that we could). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jthomas@pluto.njcc.com (Jay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 01:06:37 -0500 Organization: Jay, Inc. Message-ID: <jthomas-0901970106370001@viking.njcc.com> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <passenger-0801972014460001@mfd-dial3-25.cybercom.net> In article <passenger-0801972014460001@mfd-dial3-25.cybercom.net>, passenger@cybercom.net (T. Vector) wrote: > In article <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218>, tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu > (Robert Tan) wrote: > > >At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus > >utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought > >Nextstep is immune to virus infections. > > > > it's necessary to Symantec. that's the only Mac software they have > that makes a dime. i wouldn't be too concerned about it; when's the > last time you actually saw a Mac virus? I was saying that for a while until I ran Disenfectant. I suggest you do the same. You might be surprised. (I certainly was :-()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Subject: What about a OpenStep/PowerPC board for the Cube? Message-ID: <1997Jan8.141353.512@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 14:13:53 GMT Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA In all the discussion of Apple buying NeXT and what this is going to mean for Mac users, I have missed any discussion of what it is going to mean for Cube (or Slab) users. Maybe it was buried in some of the other discussion, but I would like to start a new thread. I have heard there are about 50K NeXTs out there gradually becoming obsolete. An OpenStep port to the PowerPC on a NeXT Cube and Slab board would keep those old boxes viable and the NeXT hardware community interested. I think a lot of those folks have been reluctant to move to Intel. I know I have, but I am being forced in that direction by events. Yes, I know a lot of people are going to OpenStep on Intel (did I get that right?), but I am not sure that is a long term solution and I will tell you why. I went to an "Executive Briefing" on WindowsNT and I was impressed. I can't say if Windows 95 is Mac 8? because I have never used a Mac, but it sure is TRYING to pick up a lot of the things I like about the NeXT and NEXTSTEP at the user level. It isn't there yet, and I have no idea of where it is at the developer level, but MS has the resources to move both user and developer in a NeXT-like direction. Also, there is the shear quantity of software available for this OS, with more coming out every day. I love my Cube and would like to keep it running, but there is no support in view. If the support doesn't come and I have to replace my Cube, it is probably not going to be with a Mac. It will be Intel, but when I consider the advisability of buying Intel, I see WindowsNT, not OpenStep as the likely OS. This has nothing to do with whether NT is a great OS or not. It is just the way things are going. Therefore, all I can say is: Stop me before I sin; give me a PowerPC board for my Cube! -- Bob Peirce Pittsburgh, PA 412-471-5320 rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 9 Jan 1997 08:29:11 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <5b16a4$sdo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) wrote: > Maybe Apple will soften the UNIXish behaviour enough to enable > viruses to become a reality but methinks the real reason is to > make $ :-) This is something I've always wondered about, though since I came to NeXTstep directly from VMS back in early 1989 I haven't had much experience with toy OS's. Obviously the virus protection people profit from the existence of viruses, and since the health of the OS as a whole is improved by robust software sales (more developers, more mindshare, more advertising dollars and magazine pages), the OS suppliers benefit as well. I am curious whether these parties actively work to ensure a continuing virus problem, either directly by writing viruses or indirectly by paying bounty money to people who "discover" new viruses. It seems like a logical if rather cynical strategy, and one that we poor innocents migrating from NeXTstep to Rhapsody need to become savvy about if it's the MacDoze norm. If I'm going to have to start supporting a protection racket, I want to do it on the best terms I can. Equipment grant expiring? |================================================== For a new terminal, drive | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu nail in HERE ===> (*) |==================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: simpson@post.drexel.edu (Homer Simpson) Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Message-ID: <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 18:13:55 -0500 References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> Organization: Drexel University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <jcr.852517036@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > > Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that > GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a > vertical frame interval, isn't it? > Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware?
From: Jonas.Palm@orgk1.lu.se (Jonas Palm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 13:07:22 +0100 Organization: University of Lund, Sweden Message-ID: <Jonas.Palm-0901971307220001@jp.orgk2.lth.se> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > The NeXT Cube shipped with 8MB of RAM standard. 25 MHz 68030. OO GUI, UNIX > and 1120x832 pixel display. And it always appeared quite quick, compared to > similarly equipped Apple, Sun, or IBM machines. Unless, of course, you ran it > exclusively from the optical media, which was rather slow. > > I guess it would have done quite acceptably even at 16 MHz. > I reread the original UnixWorld article on the NextCube when the deal was announced. It shipped with 4 (four) MB of RAM. You could buy another 4 MB for $1995. I have the entire list of prices and bundled software at home, if anyone is interested. Jonas Palm
From: jdoherty@ix.netcom.com (John Doherty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: cmsg cancel <jdoherty-0801972036370001@aus-tx13-06.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <jdoherty-0801972036370001@aus-tx13-06.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 23:33:41 -0600 Organization: (none) Message-ID: <jdoherty-0801972333410001@aus-tx5-03.ix.netcom.com> cancel <jdoherty-0801972036370001@aus-tx13-06.ix.netcom.com>
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 11:56:37 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Cc: simpson@post.drexel.edu In <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Homer Simpson wrote: [...] > Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 > separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent > colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to > completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster > DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? DPS. BTW, does GX really have to loop through all the objects five times to make sure everything is drawed? =8-[=]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Message-ID: <E3qLKu.D3@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:38:53 GMT aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > John Hornkvist wrote: > > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's > missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file > without opening an application that knows how to print it. If the Mac's > desktop printer supports dragging a file icon and dropping it on the desktop > printer icon to print the file, that seems like a nice design. Uups. Art..you should know better. You might have meant something different but your sentence is a little misleading. Someone always has to "open" an application since it is the only one who "knows" how to print its documents. But on NeXTSTEP that someone is the user and not the system. The fix would be trivial under OpenStep: Add a new method to the documented NSApplication methods like: - (BOOL)application:(NSApplication *)application printFile:(NSString *)filename and add a new entry to Workspace.apps "File" menu...and there you go. To the developer this means adding a few lines of source. It is correct that NeXTSTEP doesn't have this feature and that this should be integrated into Rhapsody. Aloha Tomi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Going cross platform (Was: Mac programmers converting to MacStep) Message-ID: <E3qM2s.E9@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86> <E3ovqp.5L9@cam-ani.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:49:40 GMT ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) wrote: > All apps generally can run on all architectures, even if the developer has > never seen an HP or a Sparc running NeXTStep. Existing apps won't run on > PPC because there's no tick box yet, but once it's there then it should be > a matter of ticking the box, and it will go. There's no reason why Apps > for PPC should not start apearing BEFORE the OS does, if NeXT release > OPENSTEP 4.2 for 68K, Intel and Sparc with a PPC compiler!. > This is not very likely since it would require all the libs to be present. "Rhapsody developer snapshot" (propably really just a port of OPENSTEP since it will totally lack all "blue box features) will be the first release with PPC support IMHO...but then they could have that addition switch...true. > Of course how this applies to Rhapsody is anyones guess, but provided > Apple don't take the technology out, or change things for the sake of it, > then it should work great. The cross-platform stuff is truly excellent, > and it would be crazy to break it - but then I wouldn't put it past them. > Now lets this idea little further. Anyone to imagine the effect of the rumoured ObjC-to-Java1.1 compiler ? One "binary" to go crossplatform without any changes. Add a platform specific "runtime-compiler" and you have Openstep at its best. Apple and Sun should go for that one ! Aloha Tomi
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 07:55:25 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080000901970755250001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: )You can only compare the rendering times using the appropriate generic file )formats. View a file containing native GX objects on a Mac, then view a )PostScript file that gives the same optical output result on a DPS machine. GX Maker does an actual Postscript -> GX PDD translation. It takes a *long* time, but the results when done are pretty impressive. The GX PDD will display and redraw faster than the Adobe Acrobat PDF that was used to generate the PS file used in the conversion. The PDD's also smaller. Unfortunately, there's no fast way to do the conervsion. GX Maker is nowhere close to being usable for real-time PS->GX translation. )Besides, the discussion is moot since Apple has already decided to use DPS )and add GX compatibility. The way they suggested implementing it, though is totally infeasible and I strongly suspect they'll have to change. Really GX should just be left floating around in the system like QD 3D, and given a direct portal to the screen when requested. (A 'phantom' viewport could probably be set up to handle occlusion by the window manager) Similarly the printing architecture primarily needs access to a network. IMO it seems like it would be far far easier for Apple to just make a 'View' subclass and add the 4 or 5 attributes necessary for GX structures, and add or overshadow a few new methods, i.e. in addition to PrintPS there would be a PrintGX which would print the GX Picture Shape associated with that subclass. Objective-C classes for GX-based text fields and pictures could be made pretty quickly and just added as an alternative widget to be placed in an interface. The key thing is to give developers a choice, fortunately in this case a choice of imaging APIs is much easier and wiser to implement. GX Typography just can't be yanked out of GX and placed in the appkit, it relies on too much of GX's internal objects and structures. Similarly transfer modes as implemented in GX can't be easily added to DPS without actually altering a lot of DPS' rasterization code and extending the language. That's just a ludicrous proposal in and of itself. It's bad enough that you can't print transparent things because of a language difference between DPS and straight PS, but adding support for transfer modes will make a lot of stuff that's already printable via the built-in GX-> Postscript translator in GX's printer driver architecture, unprintable because DPS will have even more features that PS won't. Definitely undesirable. Implementing transfer modes as PS functions is also infeasible because that much interpreted math could only be one thing, and that's *SLOW* Rewriting the code in Objective-C isn't really worth the time, when it already exists and runs great. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 9 Jan 1997 13:22:46 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b2rf6$hld@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> <01bbfdbf$64bbf100$04387880@test1> In-Reply-To: <01bbfdbf$64bbf100$04387880@test1> Followups-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Follow-ups trimmed (please don't cross-post to misc groups) On 01/08/97, "L. Todd Heberlein" wrote: > As far as I know, Apple's OpenStep will run on Windows NT but NOT windows > 95. NeXT originally planned to do Windows 95, but I think they abandoned > it. > I gather that W95 support will be included in OpenStep 4.2, due out soon. Best wishes, mmalc --
From: heller@altoetting.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Summary: Matrox MGA Mystic supported on NS3.3?? Date: 9 Jan 1997 06:48:11 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b24bb$pg0@lancelot.camelot.de> References: <5au08l$p4l@lancelot.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5au08l$p4l@lancelot.camelot.de> heller@altoetting.de writes: > Hello, > > My wife intends to buy a PC and I want to run NS on it. She is looking into > a Gateway2000 Pentium 133MHz machine with a Matrox MGA Mystic (2MB SGRAM) > graphics card. I have the following questions: > > 1) is the Matrox MGA Mystic (2MB SGRAM) graphics card supported by NS3.3 > (resolution of 1280*1024*75hz intended)? > 2) any comments on buying a gateway200 computer? > > please, if possible, answer by e-mail to heller@altoetting.de > I got 2 answers. Both stated that the Matrox Mystic is NOT supported. None had any experience with Gateway. Thanks to all who helped! Bye, helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gralk!smeyer (Stephan Meyer) Subject: please ignore Message-ID: <E3pvLM.7D@gralk.toppoint.de> Sender: smeyer@gralk.toppoint.de (Stephan Meyer) Organization: private site in Kiel/Germany Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:17:45 GMT sorry for this test. please ignore
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 02:05:46 GMT Organization: The University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5auvdq$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <remedies-0501972357290001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> Chris Murphy (remedies@rapidremedies.com) wrote: : In article <5apvrh$4ua@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott : Anguish) wrote: : > You forget that there is another road here that Developers should be : >considering. OpenStep is crossplatform NOW on Mach, Solaris and NT, soon to : >be an Apple OS. If the DPS functionality was ripped from the Apple product, : >Apple looses its cross-platform advantages which it just got. DPS is part : >of the OpenStep spec. : And if OpenStep/Mach is so easy to port, then the new Mac OS (and it *is* : the new *MAC* OS...not the new NeXT OS) should be equally easy to port. : You are asking a whole bunch of Apple users to re-write applications for : DPS. It's a lot easier for the VERY small numbers of NeXT application to : need re-writing to work with GX. This misses the point. NextSTep was designed for Display postscript. It is Good. NextStep works today. It was working, with the same DPS architecture, before Windows 3.0 even existed. The point of Nextstep is to get a *WORKING* *STABLE* *GOOD* operating system *NOW*. Screwing around with working parts of Nextstep is NOT a smart idea. Ship first, then start worrying about the Nextstep part of things. In its totality, Nextstep is better than MacOS. : And keep in mind Apple BOUGHT NeXT. They did NOT buy NextStep, or : OpenStep. They bought the company. They can do whatever they want with : this operating system, and if that means gutting it in order to BORG the : best of the current Mac OS and OpenStep to make the next Mac OS (I keep : saying that...it *is* the Mac OS, not just a NeXT port to work on a : PowerMac) kick ass, then that's what needs to be done. It doesn't appear that Apple is smart, however.
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 14:23:53 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b2v1p$kvq@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <ldo-0401972158340001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5arhch$79b@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <ldo-0801972130240001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <ldo-0801972130240001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> On 01/07/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > >Umm, as I've pointed out elsewhere, an application to do just this for > >PostScript documents was developed by Gideon Tearle back in 1992.. > > Doesn't this depend on the PostScript conforming to Adobe's Document > Structuring Conventions, which in fact few PostScript files do? > Don't know -- as fas as I'm aware though NEXTSTEP PostScript tends to follow the DSC properly, though, so it would be consistent on the platform. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 14:29:35 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b2vcf$lbi@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <rzeman-0101972041150001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101972230330001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301972140450001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5aj612$ied@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <ldo-0701972107290001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <ldo-0701972107290001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> On 01/06/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > >Umm, I can print out directly from OmniWeb and NetSurfer on NEXTSTEP for > >free. > > Are those the only two applications? > No, I only mentioned them because you mentioned Netscape (they're the NEXTSTEP WWW browsers) -- you can do this from any NEXTSTEP app. For any printer. > Remember, these products work across a range of different > applications, and across a range of different printer drivers! > NS print tools work for *all* applications, for *all* printers. When NeXTStep 2.0 was released, NeXT added a new option to the print Panel -- Fax. This meant that any application could "print" directly to a fax, even though the capability had not been there in NeXTstep 1.0, and nothing had been written into the applications to support it. Similar actually to the way applications suddenly supported colour, although they hadn't been coded with colour in mind (NS 1.0 only ran on mono systems), and all applications got Pantone support with NS 3.0. > Funnily enough--have a look at Tumbler > <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/sw/index.html#Tumbler>, which I believe is > the lowest-cost tool for producing PDF files with high-quality text and > graphics on *any* platform. Some samples of its output are available at > <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/>. > Is it free? I *believe* there's a GhostScript print filter which works for NEXTSTEP which should allow you to output to PDF. (Corrections welcome.) Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 14:41:43 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b3037$m61@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <ldo-0401972147210001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5alm5c$kof@chico.franken.de> <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <ldo-0801972110230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> On 01/07/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: > It's not an advantage--it's a liability. The programming language part of > PostScript is probably the single biggest factor in all the well-known > problems with PostScript files. It is what makes it impossible to do > simple page extraction, or graphic editing at the object level (not, at > any rate, without putting the file through a custom PostScript interpreter > that outputs graphical objects in some non-PostScript format). > This is just plain wrong -- unless Tailor.app and OneVision are figments of their developers' imaginations... in which case I'd love to know how they get their customers to pay money. > Trouble is, the PostScript graphics model is inherently unsuited to the > screen (as I have tried to demonstrate in other postings), and Display > PostScript lacks features that are important to interactive on-screen > graphics--features which QuickDraw GX has, and which can be important, > among other things, for writing games! > I believe someone else posted a paper recently which showed that PostScript was originally developed for displays rather than paper, so I'd contest the "inherently unsuited" claim. Could you list the features PS lacks for interactive on-screen graphics -- there are a number of games written for NEXTSTEP in DPS which work admirably, as of course does the whole of the interactive UI. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:45:10 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3qzrB.61r@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> In article <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> tan@neptune.cmc.uab.edu (Robert Tan) writes: > At MacWorld Symmantec announced that they will be developing virus > utilities for Rhapsody, the new Mac/Next OS. Is this neccessary? I thought > Nextstep is immune to virus infections. No system is totally immune to viruses, but there has never been a NeXTStep virus. Unix in general is better protected than Mac and DOS because it does not allow ordinary users to mess around with the system. Anything loaded onto the system "in principle" runs in a closed box which can't break things outside that box (that box probably includes your personal files but excludes system files). Is it necessary? Not right now. However I'm sure many less technicaly clued up users, and paranoid managers will snap it up. Symmantec are hardly going to tell these people NOT to buy their product. If in the future viruses do apear, then some kind of protection MAY become usefull, but the OS probably provides better protection than the current generation of virus checkers can. I suspect that Symmantec have no idea what they're planning to do, and have made a standard no-brain press release that they will suppoort the "new" platform without any real knowledge of what the implications are. $an
From: Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz <neideck@kar.dec.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 17:15:20 +0100 Organization: Digital CEC Karlsruhe Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D51998.4875@kar.dec.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <nervous-0701970809040001@ascend17.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nervous wrote: > Too bad NT is not being supported on Alpha platforms...or _any_ RISC chip! Mmh. Why would you think that NT is *not* supported on Alpha ? Just because both MIPS and PowerPC chickened out of NT doesn't mean that Digital would. NT most certainly is supported across the entire line of Alpha machines. As a matter of fact, Digital only today introduced new NT Alphas (cheap 433 and 500 Mhz workstations with SDRAM main memory systems). Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz CEC Karlsruhe , European Applied Research Center, Digital Equip. Corp. email: neideck@kar.dec.com 433Mhz 21164, 64 MB RAM, 3.2 GB disk, 17" monitor, NT included: just $3999 SPEC95 12.6e/12.0e, See http://www.enorex.com/ for details
From: jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 9 Jan 1997 15:34:02 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <5b335a$6e9@News.Dal.Ca> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-0801971341410001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: : In article <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, : rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: : > QT 2.5 on 7.5 can do that also. MP support brought preemptive threading : > on PowerMacs. : Yes, at the expense of a CPU doing process switching. That's no : solution, only SMP is. The recent tests in MacWorld showed that QT 2.5 goes up in speed something like a factor of 1.8 to 1.9 when on a dual 180 as opposed to a single. I'll live with that until SMP brings me 2.0. I thought AMP wouldn't be nearly as good as it is but when you read about what it is capable of in action the advantages of SMP appear very small indeed. BTW, with SMP what magic piece of hardware does the process switching? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Christie "You aren't free because you CAN choose - only if you DO choose." "All you are is the decisions you make. If you let circumstances make them for you then what you are becomes very easy to estimate."
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 10:51:16 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971051320001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-0801971636520001@199.166.204.230> <AEF97B0C-7DC83@198.68.42.165> In article <AEF97B0C-7DC83@198.68.42.165>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Do you know something that the QT team doesn't? AFAIK, Be's demos were > bogus also. How are they "bogus"? Your example was one of applying filters in real time to QT streams. Well I'm running on a 7200/120 with lots of ram and cache, and I can't do that to ONE movie at once and get good results. Playing more than one movie at a time results in degredation, playing three or more leaves long pauses in the playback of them all. QuickTime CAN'T do this stuff now, yet the demos on NeXTStep and BeOS can. The proof is in the pudding. Maury
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 16:50:10 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b37k2$ier@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> <Jonas.Palm-0901971307220001@jp.orgk2.lth.se> Jonas.Palm@orgk1.lu.se (Jonas Palm) wrote: > I reread the original UnixWorld article on the NextCube when the deal > was announced. > It shipped with 4 (four) MB of RAM. > You could buy another 4 MB for $1995. I recall a few universities ordering Cubes with 4 MB of RAM, but they quickly discovered that incessant paging made such a configuration a real dog. When I bought my Cube new in May, 1990, 8 MB of RAM was the base configuration and I believe this was the case from the very beginning. The 4 MB option was a downgrade that NeXT apparently offered, but few exercised this option. I may not be totally correct about this, but that's what I recall. 8 MB of RAM seemed like quite a bit in 1990, but for a full-fledged Unix operating system with a high-resolution graphical interface, this was quite reasonable. Application bloat, the addition of color support, greater graphical content (images), etc. has led to ever-increasing memory requirements as all operating systems have experienced. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: william@mathworks.com (William York) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Porting NextStep apps to OpenStep Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:02:22 -0500 Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <5b38au$n9q@madmax.mathworks.com> What is involved in taking existing NeXTStep Apps and migrating them to OpenStep for Sparc? Is it "just a recompile"? Any feedback and experience appreciated. Bill -- William York william@mathworks.com
From: william@mathworks.com (William York) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting to / from Single/Multiple channel tiff Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:06:43 -0500 Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <5b38j3$o4l@madmax.mathworks.com> is the software to convert the multi channel tifs to gifs (or single channel tifs or jpgs or whatever) and vice versa? Bill -- William York william@mathworks.com
From: william@mathworks.com (William York) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .places .dir and .opendir files Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:10:13 -0500 Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> What are these files for: .dir.tiff .dir3_o.wmd .opendir.tiff .places3_0.wmd I've seen them in a few packages from ftp sites... -- William York william@mathworks.com
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 10:12:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFA782D-21FCE@198.68.42.166> References: <maury-0901971051320001@199.166.204.230> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How are they "bogus"? Your example was one of applying filters in real >time to QT streams. Well I'm running on a 7200/120 with lots of ram and >cache, and I can't do that to ONE movie at once and get good results. >Playing more than one movie at a time results in degredation, playing >three or more leaves long pauses in the playback of them all. > > QuickTime CAN'T do this stuff now, yet the demos on NeXTStep and BeOS >can. The proof is in the pudding. Do a get info from within MoviePlayer (you're using the latest one, right) and see how many tracks are enabled. Also, make sure that you have the QT PowerPlug installed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 10:16:06 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFA7919-2573B@198.68.42.166> References: <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Homer Simpson <simpson@post.drexel.edu> said: >In article <jcr.852517036@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > > >> >> Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed advantage that >> GX might have is really moot if both can render a window in less than a >> vertical frame interval, isn't it? >> >Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 >separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent >colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to >completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster >DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? GX would have to be faster than the equivalent PS for something like this, merely because any GX-like implementation would need to call DPS via the interpreter whereas GX would be doing "atomic" calls to its own internal drawing routines for drawing each object. It is plausible that you could speed up things by making each layer a single picture shape, but any such speedup would probably depend a lot on all the other stuff going on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jonathan@illuminata.com (Jonathan Eunice) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:04:28 -0500 Organization: Illuminata, Inc. Message-ID: <199701091204286936233@[205.164.85.14]> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> <5auhnb$98d@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > [...] I point to > Robert P. Lee's (President and CEO, Insignia Solutions) comments... > > "The combination of Apple and NeXT has created a synergy that is sure to > ignite enthusiasm and support from the Macintosh community. Separately, these > two companies have distinct and respected personalities, but together their > combined strengths will establish the clear direction that Apple ISVs and > customers are looking for." Quotes like this are a dime a dozen, twenty-five cents a gross. They cost little and they mean less. Instead, watch what companies and customers do--where they invest money, time, and talents. -- Jonathan Eunice Analyst, client/SERVER Companion
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 10:26:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFA7B68-2E22F@198.68.42.166> References: <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >In <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Homer >Simpson >wrote: >[...] >> Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 >> separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent >> colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to >> completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster >> DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? > >DPS. > >BTW, does GX really have to loop through all the objects five times to make >sure everything is drawed? =8-[=] Now THAT was a silly answer. You have no idea what was being done with those objects behind the scenes. They might have had their transforms or internal geometries changed to allow for different scales/skews/rotations/translations/perspectives. A new window might been have opened to provide color separation views of any/all objects/layers. An object might have been modified in another window. The layers might have been re-ordered. Ditto with the objects within each layer. Etc. If you had a completely static image with no changes, you'd drw to a bitmap once and blit as needed, just as you'd do with DPS. It would be easier to do with DPS, but that's the fault of the lack of support of GX from Apple so that the ease-of-programming hasn't improved since it was first released. Here's a question: how long would it take you to devise a method to deal with a group of 1000 or 5000 graphical objects in such a way that you could group them into larger objects and still be able to manipulate them separately in their own windows, as needed, and be able to display the same object in different groups, with different colors/transforms/etc? How long to devise a way to include text as a first class object within that group, and still allow editing of both the characters AND the path that the text follows within the larger picture while not touching any other element within that picture? Etc? To repeat my oh-so-arrogant phrase: you guys STILL don't get GX. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 9 Jan 1997 17:07:49 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <5b16a4$sdo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> Cc: jburton@nwu.edu In <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) wrote: > > > Maybe Apple will soften the UNIXish behaviour enough to enable > > viruses to become a reality but methinks the real reason is to > > make $ :-) > > This is something I've always wondered about, though since I came > to NeXTstep directly from VMS back in early 1989 I haven't had > much experience with toy OS's. Obviously the virus protection > people profit from the existence of viruses, and since the health > of the OS as a whole is improved by robust software sales (more > developers, more mindshare, more advertising dollars and magazine > pages), the OS suppliers benefit as well. I am curious whether > these parties actively work to ensure a continuing virus problem, > either directly by writing viruses or indirectly by paying bounty > money to people who "discover" new viruses. It seems like a > logical if rather cynical strategy, and one that we poor innocents > migrating from NeXTstep to Rhapsody need to become savvy about if > it's the MacDoze norm. If I'm going to have to start supporting a > protection racket, I want to do it on the best terms I can. Hi Josh, remember me? I bought a bunch of ODs from you some years back. Actually, you're saying what I've been thinking for a long time. But when I shared my thoughs with others I got a lot of "hmmm"s, and that was about it. Still I'm convinced that that is exactly the way it works. Look at DOS/Windows/95/NT: Lots of problems -> lots of magazines to help you -> lots of advertising space. Lots of problems -> lots of utility applications -> lots of trouble with the utilities -> lots of magazines -> ... Compare with NeXTs: No problems -> No utilities -> No magazines -> Lots of productivity, but nobody notices the thing exists at all. > Equipment grant expiring? |================================================== > For a new terminal, drive | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu > nail in HERE ===> (*) |================================================== I printed your message to read at home. Now I have a paper nailed to my desk. How do I get a new terminal? Volker
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 97 10:58:51 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan9105851@slave.one.net> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> In-reply-to: simpson@post.drexel.edu's message of Wed, 08 Jan 1997 18:13:55 -0500 In article <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu>, simpson@post.drexel.edu (Homer Simpson) writes: In article <jcr.852517036@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > Make no mistake, DPS is *very* fast. Any possible speed > advantage that GX might have is really moot if both can render a > window in less than a vertical frame interval, isn't it? Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? Who cares? Put another way, why would you ever want to render the entire set of objects more than the single time it takes to render it? And if you're doing something other than simply rendering the objects, you need to recast the question as one regarding whether DPS can do the specific operation you're asking for fast enough. Most (all?) of this argument has revolved around the fact that many parties are talking past each other. One set of people are saying "Yes, DPS is fast enough to write a CAD program, etc, etc", the other is saying "If I write a program in GX in this one particular fashion, can DPS do it just as efficiently?", with an implied addendum of "In this particular fashion". Who cares? Can you write me a mandelbrot set generator entirely in GX? I've seen source to one written entirely in postscript, you could "execute" it using lpr. You can't write it in GX, but that says _nothing_ about whether you can write a mandelbrot set generating program _using_ GX. Stupid argument all around, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:58:55 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971258550001@199.166.204.230> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0401972142110001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <AEF480839668C9BC@ppp-8.ens.fr> <ldo-0801971914030001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b04p7$2s2@www.langen.bull.de> <Jonas.Palm-0901971307220001@jp.orgk2.lth.se> In article <Jonas.Palm-0901971307220001@jp.orgk2.lth.se>, Jonas.Palm@orgk1.lu.se (Jonas Palm) wrote: > I reread the original UnixWorld article on the NextCube when the deal > was announced. > > It shipped with 4 (four) MB of RAM. > You could buy another 4 MB for $1995. Do you have an URL for this? Or do you refer to the article when the NeXT first shipped? Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:56:08 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-0801971345150001@199.166.204.230> <AEF97BE2-80ECC@198.68.42.165> In article <AEF97BE2-80ECC@198.68.42.165>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > GX is an optimized database of graphical objects. "Optomized database" under Sys 7? That's like "fresh from the freezer". > If you put it into OOPS > and have it call DPS from outside the interpreter, you're adding two layers > of slowdown to something that is considerably faster than DPS. Not at all, the object layer is still there, the stuff inside is DPS rather than QD. I think you're reading too much into what GX does in this regard, the renderer is a renderer, the objects are objects. Sure the GX/DPS objects might be different than the GX/GX Renderer objects, but no one uses them anyway. Maury
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 9 Jan 1997 11:58:58 GMT Organization: Pinguin an Bord. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b2mi2$7qh@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) writes: >Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> écrivait : >> Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible >> for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think >> any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip >> each individual result in 1 cycle? >Can a Pentium MMX access 8 values in memory in 1 cycle ? No ! >And there is few common programs who need this kind of integer work. >MMX will be very interesting for games ! "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in 1 cycle?" It can't. The question is: Should it? This is from the c't 1/97, page 233 (translation by me): begin grey box. MMX vs. PowerPC: sobering Thanks to MMX certain multimedia applications on the Pentium are sped up by a factor of four or five. Great. But when Pentiums main competitor, PPC, is given the same tasks, this impressive gain is somewhat less impressive. We have given Intels parade example, texturizing, to the competition. The PPC was represented by a Power Computing PowerBase 200 (PPC 603e/200MHz, Apple Performa Board) and an older Power Macintosh 7500 with a newer CPU board (PPC 604e/150 MHz). The PPC 604e should really be compared to a PentiumPro, but it fits into our little test, because even with CPU board it is much cheaper than a MMX Pentium. Even the little PPC does our little test only 20% slower than the MMX chip. The 604e is even a little faster, despite the slower clock [The MMX was 200 MHz -- KK ]. And that's with normal, slightly optimized C code on the PPCs, while the Pentium was driven by handoptimized assembler code. A Pentium with the same C code and without MMX is left behind by a factor of four. Even the PentiumPro 200 does not come even close. In real world applications, here with a beta of Photoshop 4.0, the MMX is at best en par with PPC, in most cases it is dramatically slower. Adobe praises their Photoshop as 'optimized for MMX', but there are only a few functions that are noticeably sped up. So either Adobes programmers have feared the expensive and error-prone manual assembler coding or MMX is only good for few specialized tasks. Meanwhile Apple has announced multimedia enhancements which are to be integrated into Quickdraw and which will be activated automatically on all systems with a Philips TriMedia-Chip. Before that some US computing papers reported that PPC has nothing to set against Intels MMX concept. They don't need to, so much is clear from our results. end grey box. Other facts from the c't article: MPEG decoding only sped up by 40% (Intels numbers). External specialized hardware is several factors faster. c't has doubts that MPEG-2 (for DVD) can be decoded without external hardware. MIPS and Alpha have announced features comparable to MMX, SUN and HP already have such features. All RISC competitors have more registers than MMX (31 or 32), some can even use MMX and floating point in parallel (MIPS MDMX for example). c't does not recommend a MMX upgrade, except for some special applications. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Eigentlich waere ich eher fuer die Einrichtung von de.soc.apathie, aber so wichtig ist mir das auch nicht..." -- ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:06:08 GMT Organization: Pinguin an Bord. Message-ID: <5b2mvg$7qs@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's >missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file >without opening an application that knows how to print it. Erm, may I ask how should such a thing be done? I mean, how should the printing subsystem transform for example a stream of saved objects of unknown origin into a sheet of paper? You will need at least a substantial part of the application that created such a document to have this objects reactivate themselves and make themselves print. You may use a printers icon as a short cut to start such this application and invoke its print command, but that should be all. >If the Mac's >desktop printer supports dragging a file icon and dropping it on the desktop >printer icon to print the file, that seems like a nice design. Yes. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Eigentlich waere ich eher fuer die Einrichtung von de.soc.apathie, aber so wichtig ist mir das auch nicht..." -- ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:04:50 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5b3c02$esi@news.xmission.com> References: <jinx6568-0801971238420001@news.sover.net> <5b0s1s$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> <bwdutton-0801972007010001@dav1-2.calweb.com> <5b1upj$48e@news.xmission.com> I'm posting a followup here; my last post on this subject mentioned NeXT's "Interceptor" which I note might be of interest to game developers and should be opened up to all developers. (Right now, only a few developers have the API because NeXT only give it out on a need-to-know basis, and it is hard to demonstrate that need and also pay for the support packages if you're a small game developer...) Anyway, the point of this message is to pass on some information from a person who has used Interceptor and he points out its flaws. While I was well aware of them when I wrote my previous article, I omitted mention of them because I felt the article was already too long. So, with his permission, I will append Allan Noordvyk's comments to this post. (He tried to post it, but thinks that his comapny's firewall might have eaten the post, so I'm reposting it now.) Finally, while these issues must be considered by game developers, I still stand by my comments that Rhapsody should work just fine as a game platform. In fact, it could well turn out to be a stellar game platform... and I plan, as a developer, to find out for sure--via real world experience--as soon as I can do so. I've got plenty of code I'm ready to port! :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) In comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,com p.sys.mac.advocacy Don Yacktman wrote: > bwdutton@ucdavis.edu (Bradley W. Dutton) wrote: > > Since we are on the subject of games, how will they run on the projected > > NeXtMacOS? Just yesterday I heard my roomate complaining about how slow > > WinNT is compared to Win95 when playing games, even when the game is set > > to the highest priority on the NT system. Will the NeXtMacOS be so > > multitasked and protected that performance on games will decline? Any > > information or views would be greatly appreciated. > > ... [ good coverage of the game issues omitted ] ... > > Note that NeXT has a non-public API that would be perfect for > game writers called the Interceptor. NeXT Doom makes use of > this API--it allows you to "punch a hole" in DPS and splat an > image right into the frame buffer. The performance of games > that use it seems to be quite good. If that API were opened up > to developers in general, performance would not be a concern. > Of course, the blue box compatability mode will probably suffer > a little bit--the more software layers you put around an app, > the slower it will run. Apple claims it won't be too bad, > though, so we'll have to wait and see, I guess. As someone whose done some Interceptor programming (but only under NS 3.3) I would like to add that in many situations it is not worth the trouble, as the performance increase doesn't merit the added complexity of having to deal with all of the different pixel encodings used by the various pieces of video hardware available to people. With DPS you just write one chunk of code and let the window server and the video card driver deal with the color-depth and encoding issues. However, if you start using the Interceptor you all of a sudden loose that abstraction and have to handle a Red-8-Green-8-Blue-8-Ignore-8 differently than a Blue-8-Green-8-Red-8 frame buffer. You can also draw anywhere on the screen (ie. in places you didn't intend) just by making a small error in pointer arithmetic. Fortunately you can just use one of your windows as a mop to clean up the mess. With a little cleverness you can shield the higher level calls from some of these issues, but you are just replacing NeXT's level of abstraction with one of your own. Presumably yours is faster since it is a less general solution, but don't count on it. NeXT has some pretty good engineers who know how to optimize code. It is also a pain in the butt to debug Interceptor apps, especially if the window takes up a good portion of your screen real-estate. The reason is that the app being debugged has to be consulted when you are going to obscure its hole. Thus if the app is stopped at a break-point and the debugger is trying to pop-up an Edit window which intersects the hole, you get to wait for the window server to decide that the app isn't responding (5-10 seconds) before you can do *anything* while the window server is blocked (the only time this can happen in NeXTSTEP AFAIK). There is also a practical limit to the number of simultaneous holes you can punch in the window server before the overhead of coordinating the two drawing modes costs you as much or more time as is gained by using Interceptor in the first place. This isn't going to be a problem for most simple game applications, but more complex ones which have parts in which you want to use conventional DPS-based UI components can lead to the need for multiple rectangular holes. Note that you can put the DPS UI-elements in seperate panels, but you have to be sure that these won't overlap any of the holes, since then the Interceptor has to switch from direct to frame buffer drawing to a buffered mode which is slightly slower. Fun stuff also happens if you have a multi-headed system and drag an window containing and Interceptor hole across screen boundaries. The Interceptor is a cool piece of code and is *extremely* useful in certain situations but it is not the panacea that many NeXT programmers think it is. PS: I cc'd Mike Paquette so that he can correct any of my misconceptions, especially w.r.t. how Interceptor works in OpenStep. Of course, he is probably drowning in Apple technical documents right now... -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "Trespassers will be." -- Buddhist warning sign
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:14:10 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <5b16a4$sdo@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > Hi Josh, remember me? I bought a bunch of ODs from you some years > back. Of course: all 126 names I wrote on all those boxes and shipping forms at 3 in the morning are engraved forever in my mind. Especially the one who sent me delicious German chocolates! > Actually, you're saying what I've been thinking for a long time. > But when I shared my thoughs with others I got a lot of "hmmm"s, > and that was about it. Still I'm convinced that that is exactly > the way it works. Look at DOS/Windows/95/NT: Lots of problems > -> lots of magazines to help you -> lots of advertising space. > Lots of problems -> lots of utility applications -> lots of > trouble with the utilities -> lots of magazines -> ... Compare > with NeXTs: No problems -> No utilities -> No magazines -> Lots > of productivity, but nobody notices the thing exists at all. Yep, it's a sad world. Maybe we should stay away from this Apple thing, now that we're suddenly popular, and try to push for a GnuBe port or something. Actually, that name is kind of cute, huh? > > Equipment grant expiring? | > > For a new terminal, drive | > > nail in HERE ===> (*) | > > I printed your message to read at home. Now I have a paper nailed > to my desk. How do I get a new terminal? Turn the desk upside-down (after putting an old terminal on it, of course) and try to shake the paper loose. This only works if your grant covers your home machine, obviously. Okay, who put this |====================================================== `stop payment' on my | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu reality check? |======================================================
From: indy@pachacuti.is.com (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .places .dir and .opendir files Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:09:23 GMT Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b3c8j$9at@medusa.is.com> References: <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> In article <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> william@mathworks.com (William York) writes: > > What are these files for: > > .dir.tiff > .dir3_o.wmd > .opendir.tiff > .places3_0.wmd > > I've seen them in a few packages from ftp sites... dir.tiff and .opendir.tiff are the directory icons, one open, one closed. The others are files Workspace Manager writes to store where your onscreen windows are. -- | Steve Weintz | "The Deliverator's car packs enough potential energy | indy@is.com | in its batteries to fire a pound of bacon into the | 612.686.4085 | Asteroid Belt." -- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash
From: Robb Lincoln <n9549957@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:41:37 -0800 Organization: Western Washington University Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.970108163814.18339C-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> <5auhnb$98d@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5auhnb$98d@bignews.shef.ac.uk> On 7 Jan 1997, mmalcolm crawford wrote: > There seems to be little reason now to continue this debate -- I point to > Robert P. Lee's (President and CEO, Insignia Solutions) comments... > > "The combination of Apple and NeXT has created a synergy that is sure to > ignite enthusiasm and support from the Macintosh community. Separately, these > two companies have distinct and respected personalities, but together their > combined strengths will establish the clear direction that Apple ISVs and > customers are looking for." > > Would that the former part were more true. Rest assured, there are plenty of macusers VERY excited about incorperating new approaches and technologies. Don't let the frightened few color your preceptions of the entire group. Peace, Brother!! RWL
From: Robb Lincoln <n9549957@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: When will the Press get a clue??? was: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:15:54 -0800 Organization: Western Washington University Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.970108170739.18339D-100000-100000-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> <-3112962354090001@slc-ut2-18.ix.netcom.com> <1997010514570523637@p026.gor.euronet.nl> <remedies-0501971506210001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <rvtaylor-0801971119150001@192.0.2.1> Just goes to show that complete CRAP can be published in the name or "reporting". How many times did Amelio, Hancock and others state on stage that CURRENTLY SHIPPING PPC PLATFORMS ***WILL*** SUPPORT THE NEW OS! the sad thing is that the casual observer (including Wall Street) won't pick up on this FUD 'cuse they aren't paying attention. GOD <bless> THE PRESS!!! On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, R. Taylor wrote: <clip> > From EduPage Jan 7 > > APPLE'S CORE WAXES RHAPSODIC <clip> > several years. (Wall Street Journal 7 Jan 97 B6) The new line of machines > is necessary because the Next-based system won't run on any of the existing > Macs, including those using the popular Motorola 680x0 line of chips. It > will, however, run on Intel-based computers now using Windows 95 and Windows > NT. (Tampa Tribune 7 Jan 97 B&F8) > > -- > rvtaylor@netcom.com RWL
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:48:55 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5b3ein$4ie@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> In article <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) writes: |> My personal felling: If motorola had put as much effort in a 68070 |> as intel did with their Ppro we probably would have had something |> totaly amazing. Unfortunately, Intel was selling 10x as many '486s as Motorola was selling 68040s. This (very roughly) means that Intel had 10x the resources to pour into Pentium and PPro as Motorola had to spend on 68060 and (purely hypothetical) 68070. Ya gotta stay in business. Sales volumes and Alliances are the way to go. IBM and Motorola joining forces was a good thing. What happened to all the other 32-bit processor architectures from the early '80s? None are left as general-purpose CPUs for computers. Every one got creamed by x86's sales volumes. Of the processor architectures currently on the market: x86, HPPA, PPC, Alpha, MIPS, SPARC, ARM, etc. which ones are going to have the sales volumes to keep up, and which ones won't generate enough revenues to pay for the research and engineering of the next generation? Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Majid Ftouhi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printer for NextStep/Intel ???? Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:54:11 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b3esj$b57@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> HI There: I have NextStep/Intel, and i want to buy a printer (without postscript). Does anyone know if i can use HP LaserJet 5L? If not is there an other printer not too expencive that i can use? Thanks in advance -- Majid Ftouhi
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: An apology to all (Was Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:13:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFA945C-8BF38@198.68.42.200> References: <199701091204286936233@[205.164.85.14]> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several Apple and NeXT engineers have e-mailed me to tell me how bogus my claims about NeXTtime abilities and Apple engineers, etc., have been. SOrry to all to contribute more than my usual share of FUD and rumor. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:35:05 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> said: >In article <AEF97BE2-80ECC@198.68.42.165>, "Lawson English" ><english@primenet.com> wrote: > >> GX is an optimized database of graphical objects. > > "Optomized database" under Sys 7? That's like "fresh from the freezer". > Sure. As long as no context-switching is taking place due to 68K calls, why wouldn't it be optimized? The data would be kept in RAM unless you're talking about a relatively large data set. >> If you put it into OOPS >> and have it call DPS from outside the interpreter, you're adding two layers >> of slowdown to something that is considerably faster than DPS. > > Not at all, the object layer is still there, the stuff inside is DPS >rather than QD. I think you're reading too much into what GX does in this >regard, the renderer is a renderer, the objects are objects. Sure the >GX/DPS objects might be different than the GX/GX Renderer objects, but no >one uses them anyway. I think that you don't understand GX, even as well as I do (and I'm still reading the manuals). GX isn't implemented as a class library, but as an optimized database engine. GX objects aren't even OOP objects. The GXShape reference is an index of some kind into the GX data base. The creation of a new default shape object of a given type fills in the 9 attributes with the GX type and a reference to the default objects of each of 8 attributes. That could be speeded up even further by merely setting a flag to specify that some/all of the 8 attributes are actually a reference to its respective default. YOu can, of course, modify the attributes and the default object for a given attribute (for a given shape type? RTFM time again). When an object is drawn, any calculations and other shape-specific info are stored in the shape cache and reused as needed. My understanding is that the geometry of the shape is stored in a private list of line segments in such a way that many/most transformations don't require a change to this info. There are probably a lot more behind-the-scenes optimizations going on. DPS calls can't make use of much of this info whereas the GX primitives can because they were designed to. They're also not evoked via a byte-code interpreter so you don't have that overhead. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:31:46 GMT Organization: The University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5b3dii$gov@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <01bbfdbf$64bbf100$04387880@test1> L. Todd Heberlein (heberlei@NetSQ.com) wrote: : I hope Apple not only chooses to sell, but also actively promote, OpenStep : for Mach for Intel and other hardware as well as OpenStep for Windows NT. : I also hope Apple intends to make sure the <unknown kernel> runs on : Intel-based computers as well. Unless this <unkown kernel> is a derivative of current mach this would require rewritings gadzooks of drivers. : Todd
From: serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:30:36 +0100 Organization: Happiness is a computer called Macintosh :-) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> <5b2mi2$7qh@white.koehntopp.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kristian Köhntopp <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> écrivait : > "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in > 1 cycle?" > > It can't. The question is: Should it? Multiplying 8 values at a time is 8 times faster only if you get these 8 values from the memory at the same time ! Of course, it can't. The memory is not 8 times faster :-) IMHO, even without MMX like functions, today's processors are very memory bound. This greatly reduces the interest of these SIMD instructions. > This is from the c't 1/97, page 233 (translation by me): > > begin grey box. > > MMX vs. PowerPC: sobering Very interesting ;-) -- Email : Serge.Rossi@wanadoo.fr ; Serge.Rossi@renault.fr Fidonet : 2:320/405.42 ; 2:320/109.42 First Class : Serge Rossi,Ellis Web : http://www.burpteam.home.ml.org/
From: marcel@sysyem.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 21:11:37 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b3mu9$irl$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <rex-ya023080000901970755250001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080000901970755250001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) writes: > In article <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de > (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > )You can only compare the rendering times using the appropriate generic file > )formats. View a file containing native GX objects on a Mac, then view a > )PostScript file that gives the same optical output result on a DPS machine. > > GX Maker does an actual Postscript -> GX PDD translation. It takes a > *long* time, but the results when done are pretty impressive. The GX PDD > will display and redraw faster than the Adobe Acrobat PDF that was used to > generate the PS file used in the conversion. The Acrobat-Reader thing again. Sigh. Acrobat Reader on the Mac is much slower than the various Acrobat readers on NextStep with comparable hardware ( 33Mhz 68040 Mac, 25 Mhz 68040 NeXT cube), at least in my experience. Waaaayyy slower. Pages that pop up instantly on the NeXT take several seconds on the Mac. So please don't generalize from Acrobat on the Mac (presumably using Quickdraw somewhere along the line) to DPS running natively. Marcel
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:16:31 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971616470001@199.166.204.230> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <rex-ya023080000701970425080001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <rex-ya023080000701971818480001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-0801971341410001@199.166.204.230> <5b335a$6e9@News.Dal.Ca> In article <5b335a$6e9@News.Dal.Ca>, jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) wrote: > The recent tests in MacWorld showed that QT 2.5 goes up in speed > something like a factor of 1.8 to 1.9 when on a dual 180 as opposed to a > single. I'll live with that until SMP brings me 2.0. I thought AMP > wouldn't be nearly as good as it is but when you read about what it is > capable of in action the advantages of SMP appear very small indeed. That's not the issue, the idea of using a specific API that the _developer_ must use in order to get MP features is a bad bad thing. The fact that time from one of the CPU's is used to control this is even worse, considering it's the "master" CPU and is subject to 100% outages from I/O and other tasks (heck, hold down the mouse on a menu and then tell me how good the API is). Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:18:17 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971618330001@199.166.204.230> References: <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> <AEFA7919-2573B@198.68.42.166> In article <AEFA7919-2573B@198.68.42.166>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > GX would have to be faster than the equivalent PS for something like this, > merely because any GX-like implementation would need to call DPS via the > interpreter whereas GX would be doing "atomic" calls to its own internal > drawing routines for drawing each object. Only if they don't put DPS in User and don't map it into your memory space. I can see no theoretical reason why GX over DPS would be any slower than GX is now, at least not if DPS is as fast a renderer as GX is. Maury
From: bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: RISC vs. CISC? Date: 9 Jan 1997 21:05:25 GMT Organization: University of Regina, Dept. of Computer Science Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b3mil$jrc@sue.cc.uregina.ca> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> <petrichE3oLqK.9Ln@netcom.com> In article <petrichE3oLqK.9Ln@netcom.com>, Loren Petrich <petrich@netcom.com> wrote: >* There are a large number of registers (32 in the case of the PowerPC). > >This helps avoid making a lot of memory accesses, since intermediate >results can often be stored in some register. A downside is that for a >function call (say), there are that many more values to be stored and >loaded. Parameters can be passed in registers, reducing memory accesses when calling functions (leaf functions may even be called with no saves at all). Some RISC processors (SPARC, AMD 29K, 80C166) also have register windows, eliminating register saves completely when calling functions. -- John Bayko (Tau). bayko@cs.uregina.ca http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~bayko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071835.KAA23087@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 967f27179daac6720884e1eeedbcc8d9 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 13:35:09 -0500 Subject: Re: getting on web NeXT style Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 967f27179daac6720884e1eeedbcc8d9 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Stephen Kreutzer <kreutzer@pipeline.com> Original Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:24:20 -0400 > I would like to access the web from my nextcube in addition to my > present access via my mac. Can anybody reccommend a path to get > there: > - The best (inexpensive) modem ? I've got a SupraFaxModem 28.8 that's working quite well with my slab > - Software (Omniweb vs. Netsurfer) OmniWeb is free and has its own listserv for problems. Updates have been frequent. I know nothing from Netsurfer. > - How difficult it is to set up PPP ? Not too bad. Setting up the 'chat' script is the hardest part. > - Other software I might need checkout: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/must-have.html > - Sources for information on how to set up. The only other thing you'll need is the FoundationUserPatch from NeXTAnswers, it is linked to my NeXT page http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ > I am running NS3.2 on a Next cube. I use the Next for its great > graphics etc. and am not literate in unix etc. You don't have to be. Drop me a note if you run into problems, TjL, happy to meet a Mac user who doesn't seem to despise NeXT -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: David Andel <no@spam.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 9 Jan 1997 20:58:46 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU (http://www.nexttoyou.de) Message-ID: <5b3m66$2ej@colossus.nexttoyou.de> References: <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) writes: [...] > Still I'm convinced that that is exactly the way it works. > Look at DOS/Windows/95/NT: Lots of problems -> lots of magazines to > help you -> lots of advertising space. Lots of problems -> lots of > utility applications -> lots of trouble with the utilities -> lots > of magazines ->... > Compare with NeXTs: No problems -> No utilities -> No magazines -> > Lots of productivity, but nobody notices the thing exists at all. No magazines? But there is this funny little german NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine called NEXTTOYOU. So NeXT still lacks some productivity. Maybe Apple is able to solve this "problem". David (NEXTTOYOU magazine) -- "...he said Captain, I said wot" (Captain Sensible)
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:25:43 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971625590001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-0901971051320001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA782D-21FCE@198.68.42.166> In article <AEFA782D-21FCE@198.68.42.166>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Do a get info from within MoviePlayer (you're using the latest one, right) > and see how many tracks are enabled. Also, make sure that you have the QT > PowerPlug installed. Oh come on Lawson... Maury
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:42:55 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32D317BF.6D5F08@screaming.org> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <nervous-0701972212090001@ascend22.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nervous wrote: > dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > > > > You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which > > platform will get the best applications, and get them soonest? > > Whichever one is easier to develop on i.e. OpenStep. Several OpenStep applications (a fine representative sample) were supposed to be shown at MacWorld. Has anybody seen any press reaction to the already-extant application market (albeit small, but high-quality) that Apple just bought-into? I would think that at least one industry-analyst would note this fact. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:44:45 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32D3182D.497017D7@screaming.org> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <nervous-0701972212090001@ascend22.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nervous wrote: > dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > > > > You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which > > platform will get the best applications, and get them soonest? > > Whichever one is easier to develop on i.e. OpenStep. Several OpenStep applications (a fine representative sample) were supposed to be shown at MacWorld. Has anybody seen any press reaction to the already-extant application market (albeit small, but high-quality) that Apple just bought-into? I would think that at least one industry-analyst would note this fact...or the even more interesting fact that several OpenStep Apps are owned by Sun Microsystems now, which purchased Lighthouse Design a while back. Did Lighthouse grab a booth at MacWorld? -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071809.KAA18974@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: eb5cf42905c559f196bb939bb4aed3e5 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 13:09:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: eb5cf42905c559f196bb939bb4aed3e5 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: cwood41@maine.maine.edu (Christopher Wood) Original Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:03:18 -0500 > But whether the Finder is more intuitive or not, there's a bigger > issue -- Apple needs to make this OS feel like an evolutionary step > up from the current MacOS (a big evolutionary step, but an > evolutionary step nonetheless). Unfortunately, superior technology > and superior design don't by themselves sell computers or OSes -- > Apple first and foremost has to protect its current users and keep > its third-party developers on board. And I think that completely > ditching the Finder might be a bad mistake in this regard. You can get a thousand open windows with NeXTStep if you want to. It seems to me rather simple to think that if there isn't a Finder, someone will write one. I can almost guarantee that if there isn't a File Viewer, someone from NeXTStep will. Of course, it would be best if the folks involved give us the option of using one or the other. Again, the basic GUI might be the best way to show people you have something new, but that should be balanced with the familiar if you think Mac users won't be able to cope with too much change at once. I think the Finder isn't very useful compared to the File Viewer, mostly from what I've heard about it from here. Sounds like the File Viewer would be much faster to use.... That doesn't really matter though, what is important is that it sounds like there's enough support on each side of this that I'd bet we'll see both, either as part of MacStep or as a 3rd party app. TjL, holding his breath for reports from MacExpo -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:38:55 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> In article <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Sure. As long as no context-switching is taking place due to 68K calls, why > wouldn't it be optimized? Do you mean aside from the fact that every system call generates a 68k call to the trap table? > GX isn't implemented as a class library, but as an optimized database > engine. GX objects aren't even OOP objects. A problem, not a feature. > When an object is drawn, any calculations and other shape-specific info are > stored in the shape cache and reused as needed. My understanding is that > the geometry of the shape is stored in a private list of line segments in > such a way that many/most transformations don't require a change to this > info. There are probably a lot more behind-the-scenes optimizations going > on. > > DPS calls can't make use of much of this info whereas the GX primitives can > because they were designed to. They're also not evoked via a byte-code > interpreter so you don't have that overhead. I see what you're saying, but you seem to be forgetting that it's the GX system calling DPS, and not the other way around. There's no reason why a warpper system couldn't "precompile" the code into a cache of byte code, change DPS, or simply rely on the fact that the DPS interpreter is running on a machine that's something on the order of 100 times as fast as my old IIcx on which GX ran fine. I don't really see a problem here. Maury
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: OpenStep Application Market Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:45:09 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32D31845.609C87CB@screaming.org> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <jinx6568-0601971418390001@news.sover.net> <32d29497.56064776@snews.zippo.com> <nervous-0701972212090001@ascend22.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nervous wrote: > dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > > > > You forgot the most important one: Applications. Which > > platform will get the best applications, and get them soonest? > > Whichever one is easier to develop on i.e. OpenStep. Several OpenStep applications (a fine representative sample) were supposed to be shown at MacWorld. Has anybody seen any press reaction to the already-extant application market (albeit small, but high-quality) that Apple just bought-into? I would think that at least one industry-analyst would note this fact...or the even more interesting fact that several OpenStep Apps are owned by Sun Microsystems now, which purchased Lighthouse Design a while back. Did Lighthouse grab a booth at MacWorld? -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 01:53:24 GMT Organization: The University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5auumk$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.com) wrote: : Rapid Remedies wrote: : > : > Apple did not spend millions and millions of dollars on Quickdraw GX after : > looking at DPS to just end up using DPS. They can be short sighted : > (frequently), but not suicidal. There is no way that DPS has a future in : > the next Mac OS. : I'm actually kind of impressed by this statement. It sums up the Mac : user sentiment so concisely. Capitalism 101: Ignore sunk costs. The future is only what matters. Why does it matter if they spent many millions of dollars before on QDGX? What do customers want? They have Postscript printers. They really would like RELIABLE, EXACT, FAST postscript previewing and imaging. It works very well on the NeXT, better than any other computer I've seen. mbk Not a mac or Next user. I've been waiting for NeXT or Apple to get their brains in gear for the last 10 years. We were at exactly this same point in technology 8 years ago. That was before Windows 3.0, way before Java.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 15:58:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFAC944-59E39@198.68.42.195> References: <maury-0901971616470001@199.166.204.230> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's not the issue, the idea of using a specific API that the >_developer_ must use in order to get MP features is a bad bad thing. The >fact that time from one of the CPU's is used to control this is even >worse, considering it's the "master" CPU and is subject to 100% outages >from I/O and other tasks (heck, hold down the mouse on a menu and then >tell me how good the API is). Movie-player continues to play at least MIDI movies without pause when I hold down the mouse on a menu. I don't know how it works with video since I lost my internal drive a few days ago with all my regular neat stuff on it. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 9 Jan 1997 22:38:54 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b3s1u$ptt@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> Kevin Palmer <kpalmer@neosoft.com> wrote: > Jeff Dallacqua wrote: > > > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > > wrote: > > > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? > > -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in > Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I > read the article. I have no idea what platform the artwork was done on. The engine was done on NeXTstep. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok
From: Greg Alexander <galexand@ozemail.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Mac compatibility in Rhapsody Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:24:10 +1100 Organization: University of NSW Student Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D57E1A.6E9@ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I read through the announcements and general info from the Mac expo, and I didn't like what I read about mac compatibility in Rhapsody - so I thought I'd check here to see if I misunderstood! The compatibility will run as an entire current MacOS (meaning all the current Mac apps can kill each other, but not other Rhapsody applications, like the original Windows 3.1 support in NT) BUT, the entire MacOS environment will run in ONE WINDOW. So all of your old applications will be in this one window, while any Rhapsody stuff will have whatever windows it wants. That seems awful - so someone please tell me I misunderstood. Greg (BTW Would integrating the displays be that hard? At worst couldn't an X-window 3rd party program send the windows from the MacOS environment through to the Rhapsody environment?)
From: rzeman@his.com (Rick Zeman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:48:07 -0500 Organization: None Message-ID: <rzeman-0901971848070001@shiva1-mclean-210.his.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <rzeman-0101972041150001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101972230330001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301972140450001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5aj612$ied@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <ldo-0701972107290001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b2vcf$lbi@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5b2vcf$lbi@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: |On 01/06/97, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote: snip | |> Funnily enough--have a look at Tumbler |> <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/sw/index.html#Tumbler>, which I believe is |> the lowest-cost tool for producing PDF files with high-quality text and |> graphics on *any* platform. Some samples of its output are available at |> <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/>. |> |Is it free? Yup. And since Lawrence didn't mention it, I will. He's the author of Tumbler. -- _________________________________________________________________________ Rick Zeman In our secret world, we will collide mailto:rzeman@his.com In all of the places we were hiding love Will Rogers never met Bill Clinton What was it we were thinking of?
From: Eirik Mangseth <emangset@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:50:30 +0100 Organization: United Consultants A/S Message-ID: <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: > > In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: > >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > > > >>Robert Iacullo writes: > >>: jmiller wrote: > >>: > > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > > > >> Where can I buy one? > >> Cheers.. > > > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: > >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand > >megahertz or a gigahertz." > >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > > > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > >mainframe/any cpu? > > > > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. > > It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super computers are > not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. They are about > multitentacled, multprocessor monsters with lotsa processors running in > parallel, talking to each other through buses that zip gigabytes per sec. > > Rgds, > > Chris > > Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- > Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, > One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." > President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." > *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions. Not only that, they've got an I/O subsystem that runs in circles around any so-called server based on e.g. x86. Eirik
From: bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Mac compatibility in Rhapsody Date: 9 Jan 1997 21:02:44 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4804$i3v@rac10.wam.umd.edu> References: <32D57E1A.6E9@ozemail.com.au> In article <32D57E1A.6E9@ozemail.com.au>, Greg Alexander <galexand@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > >Rhapsody applications, like the original Windows 3.1 support in NT) one could consider continuing using 7.5 until Rhapsody is fully compatible, just like the 3.1 people did when there was also NT. Not great, and quite obvious, I am the first to admit >BUT, the entire MacOS environment will run in ONE WINDOW. So >all of your old applications will be in this one window, while >any Rhapsody stuff will have whatever windows it wants. Having used NeXT slabs in the past, you could run its X and the X window took up the entire screen, so there really isn't a big problem, except whatever real estate is lost to window framing. >Greg >(BTW Would integrating the displays be that hard? At worst > couldn't an X-window 3rd party program send the windows from > the MacOS environment through to the Rhapsody environment?) see above hope this helps bbq
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:43:22 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972243360001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: >In <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Homer Simpson >wrote: >[...] >> Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 >> separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent >> colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to >> completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster >> DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? > >DPS. > >BTW, does GX really have to loop through all the objects five times to make >sure everything is drawed? =8-[=] See, if YOU don't know the answer to this question, you CLEARLY have no basis for answering the original poster's question. DO YOU program in both DPS and GX to know the difference? Qualify your answer - or it's about as good as telling us how nice the rains on Titan are this time of year. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .places .dir and .opendir files Date: 10 Jan 1997 02:52:15 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5b4asv$ebp@news.xmission.com> References: <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> william@mathworks.com (William York) wrote: > What are these files for: > > .dir.tiff The icon to display for a directory instead of the standard folder. > .dir3_0.wmd Stores the shape and size of the browser that will be used when you do a sommand-O (from WorkSpace) on the directory. > .opendir.tiff The icon to display for a directory when you drag a file over it instead of the standard opened folder. > .places3_0.wmd Stores the locations of the icons in the Icon View for a particular directory. > I've seen them in a few packages from ftp sites... Hope that helps. All the files are used by WorkSpace to do its GUI magic. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: R.J.Patel@massey.ac.nz (Raj Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:18:01 +1300 Organization: Massey University College Of Education Distribution: world Message-ID: <R.J.Patel-ya023480001001971018010001@news.massey.ac.nz> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's > missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file > without opening an application that knows how to print it. As a Mac user I'm fairly certain that when you drop a file onto a desktop printer it actually starts the app and prints from there. The same thing happens when you select a file in the finder and use print from the file menu. The neat thing about desktop printing is that once the job is queued-up you can do different things to it. eg hold the queue (useful for printing away from the office on laptops), move jobs from one desktop printer to another etc. > If the Mac's > desktop printer supports dragging a file icon and dropping it on the desktop > printer icon to print the file, that seems like a nice design. Apparently the kludge involved to get desktop printing to work is pretty awesome :-) I guess if they include it from scratch things will be better. Raj.
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 10 Jan 1997 03:27:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b4cut$9u8@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <5b2mvg$7qs@white.koehntopp.de> KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: > aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's > >missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file > >without opening an application that knows how to print it. > Erm, may I ask how should such a thing be done? I mean, how > should the printing subsystem transform for example a stream of > saved objects of unknown origin into a sheet of paper? You will > need at least a substantial part of the application that > created such a document to have this objects reactivate > themselves and make themselves print. Sure, but it would be nice not to have to launch the app itself either by double-clicking the icon representing the file to be printed or the app itself which usually will needlessly display the file when all I want to do is print. > You may use a printers icon as a short cut to start such this > application and invoke its print command, but that should be > all. Yeah, that's all I meant. Drag-and-drop the file icon onto a printer icon, Workspace Manager opens the app that knows how to print this file and opens its Print panel with any Print panel accessory view that might be supplied by the app, and the usual Print panel procedure is then completed by the user at which point the app that printed the file quits. D.O. could be used to do much of this. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 22:36:02 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0901972236180001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-0901971616470001@199.166.204.230> <AEFAC944-59E39@198.68.42.195> In article <AEFAC944-59E39@198.68.42.195>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Movie-player continues to play at least MIDI movies without pause when I > hold down the mouse on a menu. I don't know how it works with video since I > lost my internal drive a few days ago with all my regular neat stuff on it. My God Lawson, what happened to you? Try it with a MOVIE, not something like a MIDI file which can be buffered so much. And even a MIDI file will die out after a while if you continue to hold it down. Look, this isn't multiprocessing in any productive fashion except for a group of people that get to put it to good use, for most of us it's useless. Maury
From: zizi zhao <ziziz@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 03:44:03 -0500 Organization: @univ Message-ID: <32D60153.767F@worldnet.att.net> References: <jinx6568-0801971238420001@news.sover.net> <5b0s1s$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> <bwdutton-0801972007010001@dav1-2.calweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >... Just yesterday I heard my roomate complaining about how slow >WinNT is compared to Win95 when playing games, even when the game is set >to the highest priority on the NT system. Will the NeXtMacOS be so >multitasked and protected that performance on games will decline? Any >information or views would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Brad > >-- >Bradley W. Dutton >EE Major >U.C. Davis The performance of running DOS games on NT systems comparing win3.1/95 is hard to be improved because DOS is native in win3.1/95, but an emulator in NT. An emulator often slow down the process and can reduce the performance to 50%, which is reasonable. That is why some linuxers are trying to implement a native DOS on PC-Linux to get decent DOS game performance on Linux. ZiZi
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:02:05 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972202180001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <5ao7n7$rhf$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq32n$r0d@duke.squonk.net> In article <5aq32n$r0d@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >They have also said, many times, how wonderful Copland was going >to be. Guess what. Copland ain't going to happen. The kernel >from Copland may be part of the new OS, but the original >Copland/Gershwin plans are gone. They don't exist. Incorrect. They do exist - no corporation is so blind as to actually incinerate plans. They simply archive them. >Apple can stick up it's nose at industry-standard technology >if it wants, but I don't think it can afford to. Sure, talk >about how perfect QuickDrawGX is. Rip out native postscript >support in the new operating system. Fuck over everyone, just >as long as you can say you're doing it for "superior technology". Fuck over everyone? Who is everyone? cm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: tbutler@tfs.net (Travis Butler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 22:13:20 -0600 Organization: The Wandering Powerbook... Message-ID: <AEFB1E009668835CB@travis.tfs.net> References: <5apbso$4km@News.Dal.Ca> <32D06305.162@arcane.com> In article <32D06305.162@arcane.com>, Terry Wilcox <terry@arcane.com> wrote: >That doesn't portend the falling of the sky. Mac users' predictions that >Apple will collapse if Apple uses any one of: > >a) NeXTstep interface >b) Objective-C >c) DPS >d) NeXTstep kernel >e) anything else Apple didn't develop themselves > >is what I was talking about. > >Apple seems to be fighting against NIH syndrome. Mac users seem to be >embracing NIH syndrome. <Sarcasam on> I don't suppose you considered any other possible cause besides NIH syndrome? <Sarcasam off> Sorry for the flame, but this attitude is really starting to get on my nerves. Admittedly, I can't speak for all users. However, I (and most of the Mac users I actually know and work with) am actually *happy* with the design and operation of the current Mac interface. The only major things I wanted to see out of the next major MacOS revision were: greater speed; greater stability; and the seamless integration of all of the OS components that have accumulated in the last couple of years, to *reduce* complexity. (These are also the issues that many Mac pundits/commentators have brought up as the 'important' issues, BTW.) In other words, the only major 'visible' changes I wanted to see would be to *reduce* complexity; everything else I want to see changed is under the hood. I don't want to see any wholesale reworking in the rest of the interface, because I'm happy with the way it works now. How is this a case of NIH syndrome? (I don't mind seeing minor changes and refinements of the interface; after all, that's how the MacOS got to have the interface I like. But going with the NeXTstep interface is not a minor refinement; it's tossing out the Mac interface and replacing it with something else.) I can't speak with the same authority on the other topics, since they're programmer issues and it's been years since I've done serious programming. But at least on the kernel, what I hear sounds more like a case of the NeXT partisans having NIH syndrome. As I understand it, the main arguments for using Apple's kernel instead of the current Mach-based NeXTstep kernel are things like 'Apple's kernel has better support for hardware features like the PowerBook's power management system.' If this is true about Apple's kernel, and NeXT's kernel doesn't support it... well, IMHO it's at the least an important feature, perhaps an essential feature; to refuse to use Apple's kernel with this needed feature, simply because it wasn't part of NeXTstep, is at least as much NIH. Travis Butler (The Professor, formerly of Myth and Magick!, Lawrence, KS; tbutler@tfs.net, now from the Wandering Powerbook; <http://www.tfs.net/personal/tbutler/>; Mac page <http://www.tfs.net/business/tbutler/>) ...Cats are the proof of a higher purpose to the universe.
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:08:19 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972208320001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5av120$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu> In article <5av120$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: >Chris Murphy (remedies@rapidremedies.com) wrote: >: In article <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott >: Anguish) wrote: > > >: > If you think that she is so dedicated to GX, why didn't she just say >: >'GX is our graphics engine of choice'. There is little to lose as far as >: >the NeXT people go, why would she care if she looses them. >: > >: > Do you think that Ms Hancock is so stupid as to answer a question >: >such as that without having 30 people ready to back her up on what she says? >: > >: > She'll have to present a unified front amongst her people. Mixed >: >signals from Apple about this would be damaging. >: > >: > >: > >: > DPS will be in the product. Expect GX to follow and for them both >: >to eventually be on equal terms. > > >: You contradict yourself on a regular basis. You say DPS will be in the >: product contradicting Hancock who hasn't even said. > >Amelio said. > >http://www.macweek.com/mw_macworld_97/nw_keynote.html` > >Jan 7. Quote deleted. Kindof pointless to reply to MY posting above which I said nearly three days before Amelio said this on January 7. cm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:12:02 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972212150001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0501971435110001@den-co36-19.ix.netcom.com> <5aq0ue$512@news.digifix.com> <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <vrotneyE3o8I5.E5y@netcom.com> In article <vrotneyE3o8I5.E5y@netcom.com>, vrotney@netcom.com (William Paul Vrotney) wrote: >In article <5arabg$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art >Isbell) writes: >> What Apple needs to do is to better cover up Unix system administration, >> some of which must still be done using a command-line interface under >> OPENSTEP/Mach. But please don't toss Unix out. >> > >Second that! This was something Amelio said they'd do (cleaning out the remaining "Unixness" of OpenStep) before MacWorld even began, and something Hancock reiterated the other day when she said that (basically) DPS would stay, and core GX function would be integrated -- however DPS is the display mechanism. Keep in mind this is not OpenStep for the Mac. This is the new Mac OS. If you like System 7 - keep System 7. And if you like the Unix features of OpenStep, then keep OpenStep. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:16:15 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972216290001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <32D0156A.8A3@arcane.com> <5auumk$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu> In article <5auumk$mvm@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: >Capitalism 101: Ignore sunk costs. The future is only what matters. > >Why does it matter if they spent many millions of dollars before on >QDGX? > >What do customers want? They have Postscript printers. They really would >like RELIABLE, EXACT, FAST postscript previewing and imaging. This whole discussion is really pointless now, but I want to clarify the fact that 90% of Apple's customers do NOT have PostScript printers. And further, I'd like to say that I'm pleased with the solution Apple has offered. To keep DPS has the display mechanism, and to incorporate core GX technologies into the new OS. I think this provides the best of both worlds, especially since Apple has a schedule to keep (or at least ATTEMPT to keep.) Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: marcel@sysyem.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 08:00:00 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b4su0$k74$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) writes: > For most things, the overhead of the byte-code interpreter would > probably not be noticeable at all in a fast system, however the > optimizations stemming from advanced GX's retained mode display > architecture would be. DPS could be programmed to keep track of everything > that GX does (it is a language after all) but the memory bloat and 20-40x > speed hit would probably dissuade users and developers from using such a > system. Ahh, finally a number. 20-40x speed penalty. In my opinion that number is completely bogus, and I would certainly like to see you back it up. And please, do try to compare with native DPS systems, not with some Mac application that you think uses something that you think is similar to DPS. Marcel
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:27:58 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972228120001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: >It's so obvious: >If you view a PostScript file on a GX based machine you need to convert from >the PS display model to the GX display model. That takes time. It would be >(theoretically) just as slow to view a GX file on a DPS based machine. This is a load of crap, you clearly know squat about GX. The PS display model used in Acrobat makes calls to QuickDraw, not QuickDraw GX. Whether or not I use GX, Acrobat displays at the same slow speed. It has NOTHING to do with GX. Would Acrobat work better on DPS? I have no doubt. If Acrobat was re-written to take full advantage of GX would it work better. I have bo doubt it would work better than a DPS version. >Besides, the discussion is moot since Apple has already decided to use DPS >and add GX compatibility. Errors in your facts are never moot at any time. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:36:42 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972236560001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <5apl3e$i15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> In article <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: >And the NeXT engineers will go nuts screaming: > > "You idiots, do you know just how LONG it took to get OpenStep to work > nicely with DPS? Do you REALLY want to break the ONLY native apps > for your new operating system?? I thought you bought us because you > wanted something which WORKED." Well let them scream because there are no native apps for the new operating system in existance. Are you talking about current OpenStep applications? There is no indication those will work on the hybrid operating system. You like System 7, you can run System 7 on your machine - or run apps in the blue box on Rhapsody. You like OpenStep, you can keep OpenStep on your machine. Rhapsody is the new Mac OS - it is not OpenStep. >Kernel updates are necessary only so far as they provide good performance and >high speed support for new hardware. I bet the first kernel will be >Mach because it works. In the future, probably a newer kernel. Depends on how difficult it is to get NuKernel to run with OpenStep instead of Mach. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 07:47:54 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b4s7a$189@www.langen.bull.de> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de> <remedies-0901972243360001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> Cc: remedies@rapidremedies.com In <remedies-0901972243360001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> Chris Murphy wrote: > In article <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de > (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > > >In <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Homer Simpson > >wrote: > >[...] > >> Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 > >> separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent > >> colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to > >> completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster > >> DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? > > > >DPS. [ I admit that answer was simply for provocation, since the original poster seemed to imply it as obvious that GX would be - an assumption that would need to be proven ] > >BTW, does GX really have to loop through all the objects five times to make > >sure everything is drawn? =8-[=] > > See, if YOU don't know the answer to this question, you CLEARLY have no > basis for answering the original poster's question. Well, the original poster said "If you loop 5 times...". I would never do that if I just wanted to redraw the window. So either the posting was not very precise or "Homer Simpson" finds it necessary to redraw everything 5 times from his <asbestos suit on> experience wih GX. > DO YOU program in > both DPS and GX to know the difference? Qualify your answer - or it's > about as good as telling us how nice the rains on Titan are this time of > year. Do you?
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:35:06 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: ) Do you mean aside from the fact that every system call generates a 68k )call to the trap table? Not in the PPC version, I believe that's just a 'normal' shared library. The Copland version is definitely a shared library. )> GX isn't implemented as a class library, but as an optimized database )> engine. GX objects aren't even OOP objects. ) ) A problem, not a feature. Not when there's no standard object format or ORB. SOM doesn't work with a lot of languages on the Mac. Using standard non-OOP C-style calling conventions makes it much easier to interface with other languages. Cuts down overhead too. )change DPS, That's just asking for trouble, IMO. )or simply rely on the fact that the DPS interpreter is running )on a machine that's something on the order of 100 times as fast as my old )IIcx on which GX ran fine. For most things, the overhead of the byte-code interpreter would probably not be noticeable at all in a fast system, however the optimizations stemming from advanced GX's retained mode display architecture would be. DPS could be programmed to keep track of everything that GX does (it is a language after all) but the memory bloat and 20-40x speed hit would probably dissuade users and developers from using such a system. ) I don't really see a problem here. The problem is that using DPS for everything would create a huge performance bottleneck for some applications, in addition to making some things *much* harder for developers to program. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@steeldriving.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:39:46 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32D5E432.E35@steeldriving.com> References: <5apl3e$i15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> <remedies-0901972236560001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Murphy wrote: > > In article <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: > > >And the NeXT engineers will go nuts screaming: > > > > "You idiots, do you know just how LONG it took to get OpenStep to work > > nicely with DPS? Do you REALLY want to break the ONLY native apps > > for your new operating system?? I thought you bought us because you > > wanted something which WORKED." > Well let them scream because there are no native apps for the new > operating system in existance. Are you talking about current OpenStep > applications? There is no indication those will work on the hybrid > operating system. You like System 7, you can run System 7 on your machine > - or run apps in the blue box on Rhapsody. You like OpenStep, you can > keep OpenStep on your machine. Rhapsody is the new Mac OS - it is not > OpenStep. This has nothing to do with native apps. This has to do with the operating system itself. Whether you like it or not, the new operating system is, in fact, OpenStep. It is based on the OpenStep frameworks, which depend on Display Postscript. In one form or another, they have depended on Display Postscript for years. They've been tuned, optimized, and tweaked to give optimal performance. Ripping DPS out of OpenStep would be as stupid as ripping QuickDraw out of System 7. > >Kernel updates are necessary only so far as they provide good performance and > >high speed support for new hardware. I bet the first kernel will be > >Mach because it works. In the future, probably a newer kernel. > > Depends on how difficult it is to get NuKernel to run with OpenStep > instead of Mach. Probably non-trivial. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 00:39:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4urd$hiv@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> <5b2mi2$7qh@white.koehntopp.de> <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> In article <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr>, serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) wrote: >Kristian Köhntopp <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> écrivait : > >> "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in >> 1 cycle?" >> >> It can't. The question is: Should it? > >Multiplying 8 values at a time is 8 times faster only if you get these 8 >values from the memory at the same time ! Of course, it can't. The >memory is not 8 times faster :-) Its not 8 time faster, but 8 load + 8 mul + cliping + 8 store is longer then a load + cliped mul + store . > >IMHO, even without MMX like functions, today's processors are very >memory bound. This greatly reduces the interest of these SIMD >instructions. > Yes, thats why you want to run at bandwidth speed. And for complex operation where 8 cliped mul are necesary per memory access having it done in parallel is not waisted power. Stephan
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 1997 08:06:35 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4tab$189@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> Cc: emangset@online.no In <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> Eirik Mangseth wrote: > crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: [...] > > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > > >mainframe/any cpu? > > > > > > > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. [...] DEC has been shipping 500 MHz Alpha CPUs for some time now. Check out the CPU table at: http://infopad.eecs.berkeley.edu/CIC/summary/local/ Volker
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 00:59:14 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4vvo$hiv@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> In7 article <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr>, serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) wrote: >Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> écrivait : > >> Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible >> for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think >> any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip >> each individual result in 1 cycle? > >Can a Pentium MMX access 8 values in memory in 1 cycle ? No ! > >And there is few common programs who need this kind of integer work. > The all idea behind the mmx instruction is to process by group. This happen often with gfx data, audio stream, and alot of other form of 1d/2d array >MMX will be very interesting for games ! > And alot more... I guess some poeple have more 'imagination' then other. Stephan
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From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 10 Jan 1997 08:14:41 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b4tph$189@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <R.J.Patel-ya023480001001971018010001@news.massey.ac.nz> Cc: R.J.Patel@massey.ac.nz In <R.J.Patel-ya023480001001971018010001@news.massey.ac.nz> Raj Patel wrote: > In article <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art > Isbell) wrote: > > > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's > > missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file > > without opening an application that knows how to print it. > > As a Mac user I'm fairly certain that when you drop a file onto > a desktop printer it actually starts the app and prints from there. > The same thing happens when you select a file in the finder and use > print from the file menu. > > The neat thing about desktop printing is that once the job is queued-up > you can do different things to it. eg hold the queue (useful for > printing away from the office on laptops), move jobs from one desktop > printer to another etc. > > > If the Mac's > > desktop printer supports dragging a file icon and dropping it on the desktop > > printer icon to print the file, that seems like a nice design. > > Apparently the kludge involved to get desktop printing to work is > pretty awesome :-) > > I guess if they include it from scratch things will be better. Actually, NeXT has supported direct printing from the beginning. It's just poorly supported in most applications since there hasn't been a desktop printer icon to make use of that facility. The program "open" opens a file in it's appropriate application, using the same mechanism a double-click would do. However, you can pass arguments to "open" (which is hard with a double-click :-). For instance, you can redirect the display to another host, specify an application different from the file's default application, specify a (number of) files to be opened or select the print function directly. Here's the man page for open: open(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual open(1) NAME open - open files SYNOPSIS open [ -a app ] [ -o ] [ -p ] [ -NXHost hostname ] filename ... DESCRIPTION The open command opens a file (or a directory), just as if you had double-clicked the file's icon. You can specify one or more file names (or pathnames), which are interpreted relative to the Shell or Terminal window's current working directory. For example, the following com- mand would open all WriteNow files in the current working directory: open *.wn ARGUMENTS -a specifies an application to use for opening the file. -o opens the file (can be used in combination with -p). -p causes the file to be printed instead of opened. -NXHost opens the file on the specified host (if its window server is public). Volker
From: froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:24:48 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> NNTP-Posting-User: b7fe697fc47f6ef7093c87732e2a5b740 jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >That article was promising and encouraging... >If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to >start taking it seriously again ;) There seems to be a uniform optimism about this project. I hate to make anyone disappointed, but I have a hunch they are going to f... mess it all up. We do not know that what is going to be produced is a Next that can, eventually, run old Mac binaries, do we? By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price effects on the NextStep os right now, no?
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 10 Jan 1997 10:56:38 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b5796$k@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5apl3e$i15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> <remedies-0901972236560001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <remedies-0901972236560001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> [misc groups trimmed from followups] On 01/10/97, Chris Murphy wrote: > Well let them scream because there are no native apps for the new > operating system in existance. Are you talking about current OpenStep > applications? There is no indication those will work on the hybrid > operating system. You like System 7, you can run System 7 on your machine > - or run apps in the blue box on Rhapsody. You like OpenStep, you can > keep OpenStep on your machine. Rhapsody is the new Mac OS - it is not > OpenStep. > I think you're overstating the case. Ths is one point I would like to see clairfied; the press releases state that the new OS will be "based on OpenStep". This is (perhaps deliberately?) ambiguous. My suspicion is that it will mean it's at least *very* close to the current spec. In which case current OpenStep apps will ship *very* quickly -- remember NeXT developers have got used to porting code now. I think your attitude here is rather poor too -- letting the NeXT engineers scream would be a bad thing to do. At the moment they're what's between AppLE's success and its failure. If they decided to walk out en masse, it would go hard with AppLE... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: heller@altoetting.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: STB Virge 4MB supported?? Date: 10 Jan 1997 06:51:12 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b4ot0$6ad@lancelot.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, here I go again! Since the Matrox Mystic from Gateway is not supported, I have the following two options: STB Nitro 5446 1MB or STB Virge 4MB VRAM are any of those supported (resolution of 1280*1024*75hz intended) under NeXTSTEP3.3? I looked into the NeXTanswers and some STB and some ViRGE cards are supported, but i did not find the STB Virge supported... Any help appreciated!! My wife intends to buy a PC and I want to run NS on it. She is looking into a Gateway2000 Pentium 133MHz machine. Please, if possible, answer by e-mail to heller@altoetting.de -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
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From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Date: 10 Jan 1997 11:23:59 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5b58sf$ss0@josie.abo.fi> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Stephan Schaem, in <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>: [...] > Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible > for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think > any CPU untill very recently offer this. some did. vector processing is not a new idea, just fairly special- purpose and therefore limited market; but there have been entire coprocessors designed to do vector mathemathics, since a long time. the VAXen have such designs, just for one. what i'd like to see is MMX done right: off the main CPU and onto a coprocessor, call it a 587 or 687 if you will, then expanded to a full range of decent vector maths operations, that could run parallel to the FPU on the main wafer. *that* might be interesting. [...] >Everyone knows Mac/Apple are terrible at making computer... "everyone"? not me. all i really know about Apple hardware, is that they're awfully good at keeping it proprietary, closed and secret. whether it's actually *good*, i dunno. seems to work decently, though. they did PnP right, from the start. not that that's a big deal, they're hardly the only ones who managed that. -- "...it's all wrong but it's alright..." -- Clapton
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT priced out of the enterprise (was) Re: Price ... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 9 Jan 1997 05:35:34 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs-@vampire.science.gmu.edu (to reply remove the - in my address) Message-ID: <5b2036$7go@portal.gmu.edu> References: <32D28130.2659@erols.com> <5avbmn$qj@crl.crl.com> <jbf-ya023580000801970348170001@news.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: uncompetative pricing In article <jbf-ya023580000801970348170001@news.tiac.net>, James B. Frazer <jbf@frazer.com> wrote: > >As I feared. "Enterprise" concepts still reign. Listening to the corporate market is a good thing, but pricing themselves out of that market has been a problem for NeXT. They've _had_ the right stuff for a long time now, but they've been getting killed by NT's pricing even though NT is an _vastly_ inferior product. > >> I was disappointed with the NeXT presentation, btw. They >> were doing a canned WebObjects demo. they should be pitching >> the IB/Obj-C/AppKit environment to developers, which is THE >> critical market for the architecture changeover. > >A year from now perhaps. Meanwhile, let's push those "enterprise >tools" at "enterprise prices". I really concur with both of these statements (sorry for the loss of attribution on the first...) Apple could very, very seriously kick some ass market wise if they pushed NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP at a lower pricepoint, and kept the higher 'corporate' pricing on enterprise oriented tools like WebObjects & PDO etc. I'd really like to see Apple bust into the corp market more than it ever has been, the advantages for buisness interests, and Apple in such a thing are pretty huge. On the buisness side, they'de be getting allot of pre-trained (from Apple's massive edu market) people, lowering costs & increasing efficency dramaticly. From Apples perspective, it'd be a _ton_ of new seats. Supporting and marketing OS that runs on Intel doesn't mean shafting PPC h/w, quite the contrary, as the long term cost advantages of hardware and an OS that doesn't require endless dicking to make & keep it working like the Wintel combo make for a real advantage. Taking the "Win" out of that is a good way to get options in the hardware department. (i.e. Don't like Intel maint. costs? Run PPC, or Sun, stuff that doesn't need endless tweaking.) Between Apple and NeXT I sometimes wonder if the marketing stratigst's have the sense that god gave a rock. There's been an incredible amount of counter-common-sense stuff that's gone on over time that hopefully will stop soon. Apple, and NeXT, both need to learn to be vicious about competition. Fun Fun Happy Happy UI and attitude don't cut it when faced with monopoly competition. Neither do anti-competative price stratigies. Tim -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 12:04:31 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5b5b8f$1q7@www.langen.bull.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de> <remedies-0901972228120001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> Cc: remedies@rapidremedies.com In <remedies-0901972228120001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> Chris Murphy wrote: > In article <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de > (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > >It's so obvious: > >If you view a PostScript file on a GX based machine you need to convert from > >the PS display model to the GX display model. That takes time. It would be > >(theoretically) just as slow to view a GX file on a DPS based machine. > > This is a load of crap Thank you for being so polite and objective. You seem to be new to usenet news. > you clearly know squat about GX. Yes. But my statement is *independent* of the inner workings GX and independent of whether Acrobat calls QD or GX (I didn't even mention the name Acrobat, AFAIR). If you took the time to actually read and understand what I was saying I think your answer would have been a little less insulting. > The PS display > model used in Acrobat makes calls to QuickDraw, not QuickDraw GX. Whether > or not I use GX, Acrobat displays at the same slow speed.[...] It just does not matter. The thread was about Acrobat's sluggishness and memory-hogging on the Mac platform being used as argument against DPS. Acrobat has it's own PS(PDF) interpreter, which takes both memory and time to interpret the PDF file and map the PostScript graphics primitives to whatever graphics primitives the host window system uses. Be that QD, GDI, Xlib, GX, or whatever. And that is the reason why Acrobat is slow on non-DPS platforms. The PDF readers on NeXTSTEP are extremely snappy, because they do not need to do much of a conversion ; they mostly just pipe the PS primitives to the View of the output window. So you cannot use the slow speed of application programs that include their own PS interpreter to display their output in a non-PS window system as a proof for PS being slow. Do you understand that? > >Besides, the discussion is moot since Apple has already decided to use DPS > >and add GX compatibility. > > Errors in your facts are never moot at any time. Errors in assumptions, OK, but errors in facts? What a concept! Volker
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 03:41:22 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.852895672@idiom.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >GX isn't implemented as a class library, but as an optimized database >engine. GX objects aren't even OOP objects. The GXShape reference is an >index of some kind into the GX data base. The creation of a new default >shape object of a given type fills in the 9 attributes with the GX type and >a reference to the default objects of each of 8 attributes. That could be >speeded up even further by merely setting a flag to specify that some/all >of the 8 attributes are actually a reference to its respective default. YOu >can, of course, modify the attributes and the default object for a given >attribute (for a given shape type? RTFM time again). I notice that you keep describing GX as an "optimized database engine." Why do you describe it as a database? I haven't seen anything in the docs to indicate that the reference to a GX shape is anything more than a pointer to a shape. A "database" to me, implies the ability to look up an object by search criteria. It would further imply some kind of persistence capability. >When an object is drawn, any calculations and other shape-specific info are >stored in the shape cache and reused as needed. My understanding is that >the geometry of the shape is stored in a private list of line segments in >such a way that many/most transformations don't require a change to this >info. There are probably a lot more behind-the-scenes optimizations going >on. Well, now you've just described the Postscript font-caching machinery. PS does a great deal of behind the scenes optimization, so that when a glyph from a font (or a user path) is rasterized, that rasterization need not be repeated for a given size/orientation/whatever. >DPS calls can't make use of much of this info whereas the GX primitives can >because they were designed to. They're also not evoked via a byte-code >interpreter so you don't have that overhead. You keep saying we "don't get it" about GX. I'm saying now, that you are evidently quite new to Postscript. You keep making sweeping statements about the limitations of DPS, that show me that you have never written a userpath, never used a postscript dictionary, and never created a user defined font. So, expound all you want on the virtues of GX, but do a bit more research before you start proclaiming the limitations of DPS. -jcr
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Going cross platform (Was: Mac programmers converting to MacStep) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:44:53 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3sM2u.AHx@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <E3qM2s.E9@shinto.nbg.sub.org> In article <E3qM2s.E9@shinto.nbg.sub.org> tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) writes: > ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) wrote: > > There's no reason why Apps > > for PPC should not start apearing BEFORE the OS does, if NeXT release > > OPENSTEP 4.2 for 68K, Intel and Sparc with a PPC compiler!. > > > > This is not very likely... True - I do not believe it will happen outside of Apple (though I'm sure internally that it will). It is however possible (likley), that the compiler will be stable long before the PPC version of the OS. > ...since it would require all the libs to be present. Not true. It would require the client half of the libs to be present. These really just define the API which is known. NeXT have upgraded their libs several times before, retaining compatability with the older client side. In any case the libraries are independant of the underlying hardware, so should be available almost immediatly. Only the core code needs changing, and that would not be an issue for this strategy. > "Rhapsody developer snapshot" > will be the first release with PPC support IMHO... Almost certainly. It is VERY unlikly that there will be a release of ANY kind before then, so it will be the first PPC version. However it stands, that release of PPC apps to run on a NeXT derived OS is not dependant on the existance of that OS! $an
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: 10 Jan 1997 14:07:07 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <5b5ieb$8qv@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> <32D31A61.5EB4@whitehouse.gov> In <32D31A61.5EB4@whitehouse.gov> The Central Scrutinizer wrote: > >It had one clear good idea, distinct from C++, called "interfaces", which was picked up by Java (the way cool military > computer language >called Ada also offers interfaces). > > First, Ada is a piece of crap. Ah, another well thought out opinion from a C bigot who won't use his real name. If your ideas had any value you wouldn't have to hide behind a pseudonymn. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love, rlove@neosoft.com (local) MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (permanent) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: Christian Schildwaechter Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 10 Jan 1997 14:27:43 GMT Organization: RMI Net - EUnet EUregio POP Aachen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> In Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) comp.sys.next.misc <ArticleDisplayer: 0x1644c8> writes, > Kevin Palmer wrote: >> >> Jeff Dallacqua wrote: >> > >> > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com >> > wrote: >> > >> > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest >> > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. >> > >> > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) >> > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean >> > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? >> >> -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in >> Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I >> read the article. > > I'm sure that 7th guest was made with 3DStudio. I'm not sure about 11th > Hour though. This is the first I've heard of 7th Guest having anything > to do with NEXTSTEP. Not that I'm an expert on the subject. In Wired Sep 1995 there was a diary from Graeme Devine/Trilobyte about the last four month of the development of the 11th Hour. Some excerts on the issue of used machines: Wednesday, 18 Jan 95 'I hate DOS. How the hell do people use it and stay sane? Take, for instance, the simple act of compiling a program. From more or less any NeXT machine in the office, I can walk up and compile my code. I'm assured of getting my configuration, dock, directories sorted the way I like them - plus access to my files from whichever Machine I use. ....' Saturday, 18 Feb 95 '... again and again, it decided to crash. At first we thought it was the Indigo NFS (which was acting funny), then it appeared ...' Sunday, 12 Mar 95 '... Today we got in 3 HP 735/125 systems. They run fast, not just fast in fact, but stinkingly disgustingly fast. Around three times the speed of a 90-MHz Pentium, probably faster if they were not network and disk i/o bound. It's the fastest piece of hardware I've ever used. ....' So my guess is: - Nextstep on Intel/HP for their self-developed game construction/development environment. - Wavefront/Softimage or whatever on SGI for the 3D graphics - DOS to make some money out of it Seems to make some sense this way. You wouldn't use Nextstep for 3D development, there is near to no software, you wouldn't wish to develop under Irix either. Christian --- Christian Schildwaechter http://www.farbeduciel.com Rosstr. 38-40 chriss@farbeduciel.com (MIME fine) 52064 Aachen/Germany (+49)241-2809- 3(voice/am)/5(fax)
From: jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 10 Jan 1997 15:46:31 GMT Organization: Netsync Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b5o8n$8q9@mica.netsync.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b3s1u$ptt@gaea.titan.org> andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: : Kevin Palmer <kpalmer@neosoft.com> wrote: : > Jeff Dallacqua wrote: : > > : > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com : > > wrote: : > > : > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest : > > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. : > > : > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) : > > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean : > > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? : > : > -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in : > Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I : > read the article. : : I have no idea what platform the artwork was done on. : The engine was done on NeXTstep. People are gonna hate me for this one, But the artwork was done on Amigas, using Imagine3d.. at least for 7th guest they were, for 11th hour i believe 3d studio on PC's was used. -- __________________________________________________________ _____ __ __ _____ __ __ ___ ___ || ||_ | ||\ | |_ | | || | | | | | ||__||__| |__||__|__| | || \| |__|__|__||__| | | |__ |__||__||__| ========================================================== - - Homepage: http://www.netsync.net/users/jecobb - - - - - jecobb@acsu.buffalo.edu & jecobb@netsync.net - - - __________________________________________________________
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:31:21 GMT Organization: Airwindows Message-ID: <jinx6568-1001971133300001@news.sover.net> References: <5apbso$4km@News.Dal.Ca> <32D06305.162@arcane.com> <AEFB1E009668835CB@travis.tfs.net> In article <AEFB1E009668835CB@travis.tfs.net>, tbutler@tfs.net (Travis Butler) wrote: > In other words, the only major 'visible' changes I wanted to see would be > to *reduce* complexity; everything else I want to see changed is under the > hood. I don't want to see any wholesale reworking in the rest of the > interface, because I'm happy with the way it works now. How is this a case > of NIH syndrome? > (I don't mind seeing minor changes and refinements of the interface; after > all, that's how the MacOS got to have the interface I like. But going with > the NeXTstep interface is not a minor refinement; it's tossing out the Mac > interface and replacing it with something else.) Hm. As I see it much of the NeXT interface, up to and including the right-side 'menu bar', falls under the category 'appearance manager', as long as direct manipulation of files and apps (icons in other words) is still doable using familiar operations (i.e. click and drag). I would like to see what NeXT has to offer in this regard, as long as the foundation of Mac direct manipulation is still there- and it will be there, Hancock said so. :) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 09:21:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFBBD97-8D14F@198.68.42.148> References: <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric King <rex@mit.edu> said: >In article <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com >(Maury Markowitz) wrote: > >) Do you mean aside from the fact that every system call generates a 68k >)call to the trap table? > > Not in the PPC version, I believe that's just a 'normal' shared library. >The Copland version is definitely a shared library. > >)> GX isn't implemented as a class library, but as an optimized database >)> engine. GX objects aren't even OOP objects. >) >) A problem, not a feature. > > Not when there's no standard object format or ORB. SOM doesn't work with >a lot of languages on the Mac. Using standard non-OOP C-style calling >conventions makes it much easier to interface with other languages. Cuts >down overhead too. > Especially when you consider the point that GX refers to GX objects using private references. Using an OOP paradigm for reference would offer no advantage, given that every object of a given category is likely the same size and there are only a limited number of manipulations available for each kind of object. Implementing a class wrapper for GX is trivial, and should be done, presumably using the NeXT appkit model. One nice thing about this arrangement is that you could create things like a "paragraph layout" object which could later be implemented as an "atomic" GX object type with the API folded into the standard GX API for optimization purposes after the code had been "field tested" within the class library implementation. You could also provide a System 7 version of the appkit, thereby allowing a common API for System 7 and Rhapsody, at least for graphics. >)change DPS, > > That's just asking for trouble, IMO. > I think that the DPS server could provide more than one graphics engine, using my escape code idea. If the interpreter runs into, say, "0xff01", that should be seen as an indication to jump to the GX handler, which would likely be based on a jump table, rather than on an interpreter. "0xff00" (or whatever) would signal the return to the DPS interpeter. Many different graphics engines could then be evoked within the DPS server without more than a single modification to the server engine. You'd lose the ability to take advantage of SMP using GX in this way, but it seems the easiest and fastest way to go, given the time-to-market constraints that Apple has right now. A more elegant solution could be worked out later. It would also give developers the ability to use the GX API intact, rather than broken into pieces for use by DPS, as is the current plan. It would also give Apple engineers the opportunity to debug the full GX library in a multi-tasking, multi-processing, multi-threaded environment, thereby giving them a leg up on using GX in some later date as the main graphics engine. We could also be able to use the full range of GX services, including GX printing extensions, something that appears to be going bye-bye under the current plan. I still find it interesting that the most OOP OS available uses byte-code interpreted language for its display and printing and programmers of this OOP OS insist that an OOP display engine is not going to be easier to use for display AND print pre/post-processing. >)or simply rely on the fact that the DPS interpreter is running >)on a machine that's something on the order of 100 times as fast as my old >)IIcx on which GX ran fine. > > For most things, the overhead of the byte-code interpreter would >probably not be noticeable at all in a fast system, however the >optimizations stemming from advanced GX's retained mode display >architecture would be. DPS could be programmed to keep track of everything >that GX does (it is a language after all) but the memory bloat and 20-40x >speed hit would probably dissuade users and developers from using such a >system. > Make GX evokeable from within DPS and in parallel to DPS. DPS could make use of GX typography and so on, but keep the API intact as a unit, also. >) I don't really see a problem here. > > The problem is that using DPS for everything would create a huge >performance bottleneck for some applications, in addition to making some >things *much* harder for developers to program. > It is unfortunate that the developer-base of GX is so small, because it is obviously a superior solution, in the long run, for Apple. DPS can't take advantage of SMP as well as GX could, or such is my understanding. Current Mac developers should REALLY be bugging Apple about this issue, and not just the GX fanatics. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <587851299369@digifix.com> Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:42:13 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <475852914532@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:53:46 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5b5s6q$ad1@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <rzeman-0101972041150001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101972230330001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301972140450001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5aj612$ied@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <ldo-0701972107290001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b2vcf$lbi@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Cc: m.crawford@shef.ac.uk In <5b2vcf$lbi@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: > > Funnily enough--have a look at Tumbler > > <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/sw/index.html#Tumbler>, which I believe is > > the lowest-cost tool for producing PDF files with high-quality text and > > graphics on *any* platform. Some samples of its output are available at > > <ftp://ftphost.waikato.ac.nz//pub/ldo/PDFSamples/>. > > > Is it free? I *believe* there's a GhostScript print filter which works for > NEXTSTEP which should allow you to output to PDF. (Corrections welcome.) > My PStoPDF filter for NeXTSTEP/OpenStep, DOS, Windows (Dos Box), MacOS, BeOS, Solaris, NetBSD and (last but not least) Linux will be ready 'real soon now' (Ok, ok, I said that since a few months but my paid work has as higher priority so the time frame is shifting)... It will turn most every PS into PDF (in the first release the input must be PS Level 1 as a few L2 features are not implemented yet, it does not use the DPS interpreter but its own one). You can check the PS interpreter today, as it is used in my shareware PostScript preflight tool 'pscheck' available on my home page for NeXTSTEP, DOS and Linux. And it will be quite inexpensive (shareware). :-) -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printer for NextStep/Intel ???? Date: 10 Jan 1997 17:03:45 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b5sph$7ij@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5b3esj$b57@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> In article <5b3esj$b57@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Majid Ftouhi) writes: > HI There: > I have NextStep/Intel, and i want to buy a printer (without postscript). > Does anyone know if i can use HP LaserJet 5L? If not is there an other > printer not too expencive that i can use? We use several 5l's here. We use the package GSPrintFilter, which can be found at ftp.next.peak.org. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 97 07:22:45 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex > >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the > >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched > >to seperate execution units. Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> > Risc need bigger cache, faster instruction fecth to execute the same > logic. Code creep on RISC seems to be about 10-20% in most cases... however CISC machines (like the P6) also demand aligned instructions and data to get their best performance - which translates to code (data) creep. I am not sure which is worse at this point. Instructions do not need to be faster - that is a seperate issue all together. In many cases the opposite is proving to be true - with RISC machines (604e) beating the CISC-RISC hybrids (like PPro) eventhough the later has a larger and faster cache and a lot more circuitry. So you seem to be wrong in practice. > >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added > >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There > >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) > > And need more bandwidth and faster/bigger cache. BOTH need that - and PPro needs much more and faster than PPC to get the same results - so it seems you have this backwards. > Having fixed size > instruction is great, but this do not stop you from having more complex > instruction doing more per instruction. Sure you could do more per instruction on CISC - but each instruction was slower and could stall the pipe - resulting in MUCH slowing performance than just doing it the RISC way. So you save 10% in memory - and lose 40% in die size to support CISC, and lose 40% in performance - not a good tradeoff if you ask me. > >Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What > >does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a > >simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then executed. > > Thats the amazing part too me... that this actually work :) > It execute 3 variable size instruction per cycle.... Its called superscalar - and it is not amazing it works - it is amazing how much more die size (gates) it takes up to do the same amount of work. > >How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed > >the RISC code directly? > > Humm, the code size would probably double, so you need to spend > $ on bigger cache and faster memory. You have this backwards - this is why RISC's have been proven cheaper to design and implement, and outperform CISC overall, and much more dramatic results when you look at performance/gate or performance/watt, etc.... > >Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC > >chip. > >This don't make CISC bad, just not better. > > My view is, cisc better exploit the resource at hand... risc are alot > faster/cheaper to design and improve giving them the edge. > Even so, like some mentioned, at one time, the Pentiumpro was > THE fastest CPU on earth for integer work :) Sure... CISC chips CAN be faster - but they can't keep up, and cost more to design, etc.... as for better resources at hand the CISC have yet to prove that - to get the performance on CISC (like PPro) you have to have alignment issues, etc. that make it look more like a RISC than a CISC anyways - and you get code creep the same as RISC. So wheres the advantage? > My only concern with risc chip is their efficientcy. Not data wise tho. RISC's are more efficient in cost, design, power, gates, performance, heat.... they are a toss up on data size and code size - (theoretically being larger - but functionally not being significantly different). > >In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in > >a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is > >written against a particular CPU will be shortlived > > Yes, but it will live long enought to make sense to do it. (I mean > hand written specific CPU code) Now days people are learning - NO! (Or only very selectively. First you write in standard language and get it working. Then you profile and tune certain areas. Giving you portability FIRST - then performance enhancements second). > >Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against > >8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but > >very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. > > Code written for the P5 might run VERY porrly on a P6 etc... Yes. > >Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. > > My advice... Write in the language that fit the best, and hand optimize > assembly version of the critical part (If any). Most compiler today can > produce code as much as 4 time slower as human rewritten code. Humans can tune code... but the way most people are doing it is writing high-level and getting it working (and portable) FIRST. Then profiling and tuning as necessary... it turns out that in the past humans weren't always that good at guessing which parts of the code were the bottlenecks and so wasted time optimizing the wrong areas - and not creating portability first. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. 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From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 97 07:26:08 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEFB9F94-3997A@207.158.13.84> References: <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > Kristian K=F6hntopp <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> =E9crivait=A0: > > > "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in > > 1 cycle?" > > > > It can't. The question is: Should it? > > Multiplying 8 values at a time is 8 times faster only if you get these 8 > values from the memory at the same time ! Of course, it can't. The > memory is not 8 times faster :-) Of course thats the point - there is more room on RISC for Cache, and its easier to add logic to avoid cache stalls and for prefetch... meaning that you are more likely to get a cache hit vs a stall which can be MORE than 8 times faster. > IMHO, even without MMX like functions, today's processors are very > memory bound. This greatly reduces the interest of these SIMD > instructions. If they were as memory bound as you imply then MP would die and be futile. We are learning the opposite... 2 and 4 processors work fine sharing the same memory and L2 - which would not be possible if 1 processor was completely memory bound as you implied. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: "Raymond L. Ehrlich" <rehrlich@sprintmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep users in Florida Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:04:14 -0500 Organization: Sprint Internet Passport Technical Center-Tampa, Fl Message-ID: <32D6849E.3E2C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of any NeXTStep user in the Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida area. Thanks, Ray Every human being is a potential friend
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 10 Jan 1997 18:06:20 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b60es$fnl@news.next.com> References: <5b4cut$9u8@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> Art Isbell writes > Yeah, that's all I meant. Drag-and-drop the file icon onto a > printer icon, Workspace Manager opens the app that knows how to print > this file and opens its Print panel with any Print panel accessory > view that might be supplied by the app, and the usual Print panel > procedure is then completed by the user at which point the app that > printed the file quits. D.O. could be used to do much of this. And, in fact, there's already support in OPENSTEP for printing like this. Take a looks at NSApplication's - (BOOL)application:(NSApplication *)theApplication printFile:(NSString *)filename method. -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:01:13 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32D691F9.3D2E04C0@screaming.org> References: <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> <AEFB9F94-3997A@207.158.13.84> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Every wrote: > Of course thats the point - there is more room on RISC for Cache, and > its easier to add logic to avoid cache stalls and for prefetch... > meaning that you are more likely to get a cache hit vs a stall which > can be MORE than 8 times faster. May I ask why this is important to newsgroups for systems that run on multiple processors? I admit that it's a selling-point for systems that are dependent on PPC, but I don't think those vendors relish their platform dependencies. Apple's acquisition of OpenStep, to me, indicates that they no longer want their API to be tied to an architecture -- so that Apple is no longer tied to the success or failure of a particular architecture. Doesn't "The Macintosh Way" have something to do with not having to be concerned with the details of cache stalls? -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:08:23 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3t3u0.BxK@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <5b3c02$esi@news.xmission.com> In article <5b3c02$esi@news.xmission.com> don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) writes: > Anyway, the point of this message is to pass on some information from > a person who has used Interceptor and he points out its flaws. While > I was well aware of them when I wrote my previous article, I omitted > mention of them because I felt the article was already too long. So, > with his permission, I will append Allan Noordvyk's comments to this > post. (He tried to post it, but thinks that his comapny's firewall > might have eaten the post, so I'm reposting it now.) I've also worked with interceptor, and can verify most of these comments. I've actually taken working Interceptor code OUT of an app becasue I simply didn't think it was worth the hassle of maintaining it. The speed improvements are moderate at best, and the problems are multiple - not because of implementation flaws, but from the nature of the problem. Appkit protects you from these things, and does a great job. I'd recomend everyone should forget about Interceptor until the REALLY NEED it. As a basic step to fast bitmaps, write NXBitmapImageReps to be of the right depth! If they're the same depth as the screen, then they're VERY fast. They only apear slow because you've probably used a format which suits your application, rather than you screen. Write four implementations, and your code will be almost as fast as interceptor, and it will fail safe (it won't break, just run slowly). If you think thats too much work, then consider than intercpetor may need around a dozen implementations (and will break on some new graphics card)! Its just not worth it. $an
From: cjones@wellesley.edu (Carl Jones) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Linux and NEXTSTEP on the same HD? Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:56:40 Organization: Wellesley College Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b6duo$qp9@cokie.wellesley.edu> Hi, I'd like to install Linux on an unused partition of my PC running NEXTSTEP 3.3. Is there any problem with doing this? Will the NEXTSTEP boot program allow me to start Linux (or will Lilo allow me to boot NEXTSTEP)? Carl -- cjones@wellesley.edu (NeXTMail/MIME OK)
From: msoori@genetics.bio-rad.com (msoori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 10 Jan 1997 21:57:20 GMT Organization: Bio-Rad Laboratories Message-ID: <msoori-1001971357210001@ms.genetics.bio-rad.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <32c981ca.54653107@news.xmission.com> <wrf3-ya023180003112961823280001@news.mindspring.com> <199701011356233592478@roxboro-185.interpath.net> <5aejj6$so@wanda.vf.pond.com> <32cb3a67.84938545@news.xmission.com> > >}"Apple's marketing prowess" - does anybody besides me think this is > >}suitable for posting in rec.humor? > > > >Yes. > > Ok, ok. So "prowess" was a bad choice of words. I was thinking of > them compared to NeXT. :-) Perhaps, "muscle" would have been a > better word. Perhaps "vein" would have been a better choice of words ;-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Mahesh P. Sooriarachchi. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Work: msoori@genetics.bio-rad.com | ~ ~ Home: mahesh@value.net | This space for rent! ~ ~ Home Page: http://value.net/~mahesh/ | ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Eric Smalling <Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:21:53 -0600 Organization: SABRE Decision Technologies http://www.amrcorp.com Message-ID: <32D6B2F1.53E6@amrcorp.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mats Forssblad wrote: > By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their > web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. > So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right > now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not > commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get > integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, > actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going > to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price > effects on the NextStep os right now, no? hehe - That's probably just to use the thing too! Developer (non-academic) packages are much more. I've been trying to convince my managers to look at OpenStep for NT here for months, but look at the price of the "Starter Pack" _special offer_ at this url: http://www.next.com:80/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_NT/OSE_Starter.htmld/ Yup, thats right FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for _ONE_ developer (on the Enterprise Platform) !!! (and 3 Deployment Packs whatever they are) I sincerly hope Apple helps bring that price down _significantly_. I'm going to a NeXT Seminar next week to see OpenStep Enterprise and WebObjects Enterprise, I'm hoping they will affirm this! es PS: For a full price list see: http://www.optimal-object.com/Software/prices.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Eric A. Smalling SABRE Decision Technologies - Ft Worth, Texas USA --=== ------=== The Any views expressed are mine alone and are in no ----------- SABRE way the views of AMR or any of it's subsidiaries. ------=== Group --=== email:Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com Corp Web Site: http://www.amrcorp.com/sabr_grp/sdt/sdt.htm ____________________________________________________________________
From: George Graves <gmgraves@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:03:14 +0000 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <32D62FFC.3F6B@earthlink.net> References: <5att62$j36@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> <maury-0801971636520001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > > In article <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135>, "Lawson English" > <english@primenet.com> wrote: > > > The problem is, from all that we can gather, NO Apple engineer was shown > > one of these demos. They were all upper-level management, most of whom have > > only been at Apple for a few months. All of whom apparently don't know a > > thing about Apple technology, such as GX's multi-language capabilities, > > The question reamins though, can the NeXT OS do it? IE, can it push all > that *real* multimedia through the system? The BeOS can. > > Maury After having spoken to several NeXT engineers, I believe firmly that it can run rings around NT, with all of the Apple technologies folded-in. I was shown a demonstration of the NeXT system (which had been ported to the NeXT PPC workstation before the decision was made to get out of the hardware business) running on a 601 based PowerMac, It simply flew! (the PPC version had been ported to the 601, because that was the only PPC chip available in 1993 when the work was done) Real fast. Just as fast as Be (subjectively speaking, of course) George Graves
From: "johan" <johan@nielsencorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac->NeXTstation->printer Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:06:16 -0500 Organization: NITC Message-ID: <johan-1001971506160001@jnielsenmac.andersencorp.com> References: <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu> In article <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu>, jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) wrote: > If I have a Mac and a NeXTstation networked together, is it possible to > print from the Mac to a NeXT laser printer hooked up to the NeXTstation? Or > is there any other way to get from the Mac to the NeXT printer? > > Any help is much appreciated. > > john > > --- - ------- ------- > You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick > > jak@asu.edu > http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/ InterCon has software to facilitate lpr and NFS communication between a Mac and systems that support these protocols. Check out http://www.intercon.com. Johan
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:14:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001001971814520001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <rex-ya023080000901970755250001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b3mu9$irl$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b3mu9$irl$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, marcel@sysyem.de wrote: )The Acrobat-Reader thing again. Sigh. What about Illustrator? That's a pig at redraws compared to Lightning Draw. )Acrobat Reader on the Mac is much )slower than the various Acrobat readers on NextStep with comparable )hardware ( 33Mhz 68040 Mac, 25 Mhz 68040 NeXT cube), at least )in my experience. Waaaayyy slower. An '040 NeXT cube is *not* the same as an '040 Mac. No stock Quadra I know of, could ever drag whole windows around while updating others in the background, the hardware just didn't have enough throughput. It's my guess that the NeXT cube had a hardware bitblt that offloaded the data shuffling from the CPU. Does anyone have specs on NeXT's stock video display chipsets? ) Pages that pop up instantly on the )NeXT take several seconds on the Mac. So please don't generalize from )Acrobat on the Mac (presumably using Quickdraw somewhere along the line) )to DPS running natively. Just what is it that you think Quickdraw does that would slow DPS down? It's a pretty basic and low-level graphics library. Since Quickdraw doesn't support many of Postscript's geometry types Adobe would have had to write code for them to be used under Quickdraw, i.e. please show me the Quickdraw command for drawing a cubic bezier curve. The only thing that Quickdraw can draw are rectangles, ovals, text, lines, points, regions, and bitmaps. Nothing resolution independent. Furthermore it's so easy to bypass Quickdraw that I'd be *shocked* if Adobe didn't. Adobe had to have ported something like DPS or a stripped down version of it (Bravo) and have it draw directly to the screen or into a buffer. Quickdraw just doesn't do enough for a conversion to be feasible. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: "johan" <johan@nielsencorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two motherboards in a cube, help Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:12:24 -0500 Organization: NITC Message-ID: <johan-1001971512240001@jnielsenmac.andersencorp.com> References: <5an2i6$mms@rac10.wam.umd.edu> In article <5an2i6$mms@rac10.wam.umd.edu>, bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) wrote: > > I have a NeXT black cube, and at bootup it says FPU=0x40 or similiar, I > have found a 68030 motherboard for a good price. Can I put this into my > machine, and what will happen, it doesn't have a monitor or anything, but > can I speed anything up without additional software? > > thanks > bbq The good news is YES it can be done. The bad news is I don't have the information which document how it is done. I do know that it involved scratching some leads on the backplane which determine primary and secondary slots. The second motherboard ends up booting over the net from the primary mother board (since only on card can use the boot disk). johan
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Linux and NEXTSTEP on the same HD? Date: 14 Jan 1997 12:50:07 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <5bfvdv$a7d@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <5b6duo$qp9@cokie.wellesley.edu> <32D82DBE.1DB1@friday.com> On Sat, 11 Jan 1997 19:18:06 -0500, Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> wrote: >Carl Jones wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to install Linux on an unused partition of my PC running NEXTSTEP >> 3.3. Is there any problem with doing this? Will the NEXTSTEP boot >> program allow me to start Linux (or will Lilo allow me to boot NEXTSTEP)? > >Either system will allow you to boot the other-- the NeXT boot prompt is >a bit easier to configure (there is no configuration to speak of), but >the LILO boot prompt is cooler (ie; on my system, I type 'next', 'linux' >or 'custom' [a bastardized linux kernel]) to boot one of 3 OSs). I'm still trying to convince everybody that all you need is Stefan Wolfram's excellent OS-BS program. It displays a nice, coloured menu when booting, installation and setup of partitions to boot is idiot-proof and also menu-driven, it's small, it can boot some systems off the second drive, and it's free. Only drawback: The installation program has to be run from DOS. Just look out for osbsbeta.exe, it's certainly on a server near to you! Its homepage is http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~wolf/os-bs.html Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:20:29 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001001971920290001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <jcr.852895672@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jcr.852895672@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: )I notice that you keep describing GX as an "optimized database engine." )Why do you describe it as a database? I haven't seen anything in the docs to )indicate that the reference to a GX shape is anything more than a pointer to )a shape. Trust me it's *not*. GX references are defined as pointers, but they're not used as such. For instance both a gxshape and a gxviewport are defined as a gxreference in the headers. Gxreferences in turn are defined as pointers. The last time I checked 2 was *not* a viable pointer, and I've certainly gotten gxviewports with that as their 'value' In all likelihood they're indices into arrays or collection IDs. ) A "database" to me, implies the ability to look up an object by )search criteria. It would further imply some kind of persistence capability. Yep. GX satisfies both criteria. All GX structures are built on top of the collection manager, which stores its keys and data in two resizable arrays. (adding a lot of things can be a bit slow.) The array of keys is sorted by collection tag type, then by ID. When queried for an object or objects, the collection manager uses a binary search to find the requested objects. Persistence is implemented by the 'Flatten/UnFlatten' family of commands. The Collection manager flatten format is private, but GX uses a custom flattening procedure that flattens a GX structure to the publically documented GX stream format (See GX Environment and Utilities.) In addition GX's memory manager has a virtual memory system which will page shapes and structures out to disk in low-memory situations or when requested to do so by a process. )Well, now you've just described the Postscript font-caching machinery. )PS does a great deal of behind the scenes optimization, so that when a )glyph from a font (or a user path) is rasterized, that rasterization need )not be repeated for a given size/orientation/whatever. GX does this and more for all of its primitives. For instance in addition to remembering rasterizations GX will remember the computations done in transforming and clipping a shape's geometry to the various viewports that it may be drawn to, this info is resolution independent and takes up less space than a full backing store. Which is another separate caching option. )You keep saying we "don't get it" about GX. I'm saying now, that you are )evidently quite new to Postscript. You keep making sweeping statements )about the limitations of DPS, that show me that you have never written )a userpath, never used a postscript dictionary, and never created a user )defined font. Ah, but its very safe to say that GX's designers have and they actively sought to improve on all aspects of Display Postscript which was evaluated by Apple years ago. ;) -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
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news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.245.3.50!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:54:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 73 Message-ID: <AEFC27EF-21CE5A@198.68.42.168> References: <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> X-Posted-By: @198.68.42.168 (english) X-Mailer: Cyberdog/1.2 X-News-Servers: news.primenet.com X-Newsgroups-TO: nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:24572 comp.sys.mac.misc:131570 comp.sys.mac.system:191203 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:178774 comp.sys.next.advocacy:52727 >> The problem is that using DPS for everything would create a huge >> performance bottleneck for some applications, in addition to making some >> things *much* harder for developers to program. > > Much harder than what? GX? Not a single app I have uses it, and DPS is >no harder to use than QD. OK, how do you create a rectangle under DPS? How do you move it around under DPS? With GX, if you want to move a rectangle around, it is a single call to modify the transform of the shape. You can continually update teh location of the shape (*ANY*) shape using this technique. Want to change the color of a rectangle? Modify the ink's color. Want to bleed colors through from one object to the next? Modify the ink's transfer mode. How do you provide TWO views of the same object that happens to be integrated into a larger object? How do you move the larger object around? How do you edit the smaller object in its own view? These are all trivial in GX. How are they done using DPS? How do you edit a shape to contain a new textual element that can later be edited? WIth GX, it is trivial. With DPS? The question isn't just: is DPS as easy to use as QuickDraw. The questions are also: Does DPS provide the same kind of support as GX? Is it easier to provide GX services on top of DPS by creating GX-ish class libraries or is it easier to provide GX services along side of DPS by adding an escape code to DPS to call GX directly? (remember that both of these require that GX be made thread safe) Is it easier to provide GX typography services to DPS or to provide them via GX itself? (remember that you have to make the GX algorithms thread-safe either way and provide the GX font discipline on top of a font format that was never designed for it). Is it better for developers to have to relearn every single API when they migrate to Rhapsody, or would it be easier for them to code to a common, device-resolution independent model under both System 7 and Rhapsody? Etc. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 97 18:30:17 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEFC3B3F-480AD@207.158.11.9> References: <32D691F9.3D2E04C0@screaming.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > David Every wrote: > > Of course thats the point - there is more room on RISC for Cache, and > > its easier to add logic to avoid cache stalls and for prefetch... > > meaning that you are more likely to get a cache hit vs a stall which > > can be MORE than 8 times faster. > > May I ask why this is important to newsgroups for systems that > run on multiple processors? I admit that it's a selling-point > for systems that are dependent on PPC, but I don't think those > vendors relish their platform dependencies. Apple's acquisition > of OpenStep, to me, indicates that they no longer want their > API to be tied to an architecture -- so that Apple is no longer > tied to the success or failure of a particular architecture. I agree to a point.... But whats your question/point? I was responding to someone about differences in RISC/CISC architecture and implementation... this seems like a bit of a diversion if you ask me. I think apple DOES want more flexibility. But that was never the issue.= > Doesn't "The Macintosh Way" have something to do with not having > to be concerned with the details of cache stalls? As a user? Sure.... as a programmer? Not so sure. And you need to worry about those things if you are a low level programmer at all.... fortunately concepts like OpenStep (or Rhapsody) should allow more programmers to stay at a higher level..... hmmm... that sounds like a MacWay to me as well. ;-) -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91997 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:07:36 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 14 Jan 97 01:35:06 GMT, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: > I think they plan to have a 266mhz ppro this year? A 300mhz ppro seem > possible. Compaq has had Klamath 266s for quite a while now. 300 mhz is no big deal from there, although I do want to see the 100 mhz busses - _that_ will be an improvement. ________________________________________________ Reachable at: 713 629 6947 nights Please quote in all replies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@onevision.de (Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Message-ID: <E3yB47.1qM@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <tbrown-ya023580001201970234590001@news.netset.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:33:43 GMT In article <tbrown-ya023580001201970234590001@news.netset.com> tbrown@netset.com (Ted Brown) writes: > In article <AEF7C327-5C23F@198.53.172.86>, "Dale Friesen" > <dalef@bolen.bc.ca> wrote: > > > >Please pardon my ignorance, but since NeXT runs on different CPUs is it > >necessary to recompile for each? Or are the APIs fairly high level such > >that you can write something for NeXT, drop it on a CD-ROM and anyone > >running the OS (regardless of hardware) can use it? If the latter, will > >this include the Mac running Rhapsody (the NeXT-based MacOS)? > > You have to recompile for each. As long as you didn't resort to using > assembler, you can simply recompile for each platform. Note that this is a > recompile, not add a bunch of #defines, and some extra code. NeXT has even > made most of the little vs. big endian issues transparent (well in Obj-C > anyway, not sure about C++). > Unfortunatly Ted s answer is too misleading. OPENSTEP for MachOS ( thats the systep MacStep will probably based on) has a feature called FAT binaries, this means code for more then one processor is included in the applikation. What you do is, when you compile you select on which processors you want your programm to run on, but it is only one programm you have to ship. As part of this is based in the Mach kernel this feature is not available in OPENSTEP for Windows NT, but that is complete source compatibel, and maybe even better, the resulting Apps are also have kompatibel data files! ====================================================================== Hans Stoeger OneVision GmbH Support Zeiss-Strasse 9 Email: hans@onevision.de D-93053 Regensburg No big mails, Please! Germany
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:13:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001101970013240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001972018070001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32D6F5D9.4497@ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32D6F5D9.4497@ozemail.com.au>, Eric Ulevik <eau@ozemail.com.au> wrote: )Eric King wrote: )> IMO, it'll be ~3-4 years before anything close to a large number )> of Rhapsody native apps will be available. Sure the big ones will cross )> over soon, but a lot of developers just won't be able to afford the )> transition costs. ) )I can't agree more. This is the problem: it will be cheaper and easier )for developers to transition to Windows than to Rhapsody. ) )Apple should have bought Be. Nah, it didn't have anything really compelling aside from a fast window manager. Furthermore as Apple learned with the CommonPoint fiasco one should *not* base an OS around C++. OpenStep's Objective-C basis sounds much cleaner and less complex than CommonPoint's C++ equivalent. I have a feeling Be's decision to use C++ is going to come back and haunt them in a few years. The real problem here is that Apple management is just a bit too eager to toss backwards compatibility into the wind. What Apple should be working full steam ahead on is a simplified API that provides most of the common GUI elements and system functions and runs unmodified on Sys. 7.x and in the 'yellow box' As was hashed out in the AIMED talk mailing list, GX provided a clean and simple way of doing this if GX Graphics was supported in Rhapsody. (DPS need not be affected or changed at all.) Now even that option may no longer be viable. There's nothing in OpenStep or the current 'design' of Rhapsody that can run on 7.x without a lot of work. I'm sure the Appkit and Interface Builder are wondrous things and that porting won't be too bad, but developers are still looking at something's that's pretty close to a total rewrite for a market that's going to be a tiny fraction of today's current market. It doesn't have to be this way. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 14 Jan 1997 08:18:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF00F4DB-4F859@198.68.42.175> References: <5bg2e0$ar2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: > >On 01/14/97, Eric King wrote: >> True, but some of GX's features like its printing and caching >> architecture or its transfer modes can't be added over DPS without a hell >> of a lot of work. For me since I'm writing custom UI widgets, GX's hit >> testing functions are a very crucial and powerful feature. I'm not even >> sure if a general hit testing solution is possible in Postscript given its >> language basis. >> >Umm, so how do I click on things in the DPS GUI? > >Read the Adobe Purple book, pp67, 135, 138-41, 141-45. That's hardly an answer, since most of us don't have access to the Adobe Purple book. Why don't you give us a summary, instead? --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 19:02:08 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFC45C9-28D29A@198.68.42.200> References: <rex-ya023080001001971920290001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric King <rex@mit.edu> said: > Ah, but its very safe to say that GX's designers have and they actively >sought to improve on all aspects of Display Postscript which was evaluated >by Apple years ago. ;) Which is why all of this talk about abandoning GX doesn't make ANY sense at all. I can see exposing the GXLayout and GXTypography stuff to DPS calls, but to actually cease to support GX? Makes no sense at all. *ESPECIALLY* since GX is a more powerful engine than Bravo (or so one surmises) and is already shipping on one platform with a cross-platform demo given at the last COMDEX. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: sword@mindlink.net (Andrew Brownsword) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 13:32:49 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Message-ID: <sword-1101971332490001@line082.nwm.mindlink.net> References: <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> <5b6fb6$gst@news.next.com> In article <5b6fb6$gst@news.next.com>, Eren_Kotan@next.com wrote: > > On my system I can play 9 Quicktime videos at the same time... > > You can see I was not cheating (as if!) because I was using NEXTIME under > OPENSTEP/Mach for Intel 4.1 which shows a little play icon when the clip > is stopped and a little pause icon when the clip is playing. In my > screenshots, all 9 of the video clips have pause icons :) > > As I say, I don't want to get involved in the argument over whether this > is a meaningful benchmark or not, but I personally thought it *was* rather > impressive: > > - All the videos had sound and I could click on any window to hear its > soundtrack (in sync with whatever the video was showing at the time), > - Two of the movie windows were set to display at double the normal size, > - There were several apps in the background running, > - I was still able to type in some text in a Mail window (no loss of > responsiveness) > - All of this only ate less than 25% CPU time as you can see in the second > screenshot from the output of ps -aux. > > The only reason why I stated 9 as my upper limit of videos is because I > only have 9 Quicktime clips on my hard disk, and also there wouldn't be > any more screen real estate to display more movie windows on my lowly > 1024x768 screen :) > > Eren Kotan - NeXT Software (UK) Limited oh, one moment, it's Apple now You'll have to forgive the skeptical Mac users at the moment, Eren. We've been stuck with a dog slow file system and a cooperative multitasking environment so long that its easy to forget how fast our hardware actually is. I am very much looking forward to the results of this merger of technologies. -- Andrew Brownsword Software Engineer Electronic Arts (Canada), Inc. "All opinions here in are mine and don't necessarily reflect those of my employer."
From: jmckee@miaco.com (Joshua T. McKee) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 20:58:56 GMT Organization: Miaco Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> On Sat, 11 Jan 97 01:04:42 GMT, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: >In article <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84>, "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: >>Sure... CISC chips CAN be faster - but they can't keep up, and cost >>more to design, etc.... as for better resources at hand the CISC have >>yet to prove that - to get the performance on CISC (like PPro) you >>have to have alignment issues, etc. that make it look more like a RISC >>than a CISC anyways - and you get code creep the same as RISC. So >>wheres the advantage? >> > > PPrO is a VERY bad cisc example... its a cisc (variable instruction size, >etc..) but only work well with risc like instruction. And the x86 instruction >set is an horrible instruction set. Why? The Pentium Pro happens to be one of the fastest chips around. What makes it a bad example? > Your whole argument is based on a PPRO vs PPC for CISC vs RISC. And why not? They are two of the most popular chips in use today. And since they are used in the machines being debated in this newsgroup, it seems like they would be a logical choice. Your are correct in that he is comparing only two processors, but he is comparing competing processors that are relavent to this newsgroup. > The advantage of cisc is in the end you get more computing done per byte. The advantage comes if the compiler takes advantage of these more complex instructions that allow for this "more computing". If a compiler ignore#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.apfel.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!newsfeed.intelenet.net!rbarris From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:50:14 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Lines: 35 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: karnov.quicksilver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.2 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.os.linux.advocacy:88390 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:147299 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:178946 comp.unix.advocacy:36233 comp.sys.next.software:27333 comp.sys.next.misc:24589 comp.sys.next.advocacy:52813 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:2848 > This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One > calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as > an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual > was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, > the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count > game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a > 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and > used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked > here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor > radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL > in the marketing.... Bogus. Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a processor. You attribute malice or deception to simple confusion in literature and terminology. The fact remains that flat 32-bit code could be and was written on the 68000 from the very beginning, lots of it, this was and is a benefit to its users. If you don't believe me, why not pop over to comp.arch and ask some folks around there whether they think the 68K family qualifies as a 32-bit processor design, or if Moto tried to deceive anyone by promoting it as such. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system From: tom@icgned.nl (Tom Hageman) Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Message-ID: <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: IC Group References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:37:45 GMT "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.net> wrote: >We Nubus PowerMac Apple loyalists from the 128 days shall not be neglected, >ignored or passed over by Apple today. We are forming a class action that >you too can recoup your losses from Apple's breaches of contract. That's the true American spirit! (litigate! litigate! litigate!) (liberally apply :-) for the sarcasm impaired...) Seriously, isn't this a bit premature? Apple said that Rhapsody would support all current hardware. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Ed is the standard text editor" __/ _/_/ -- Unix Programmer's Manual
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: DPS Hit Detection Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:23:40 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32DBDD3C.1EBAB5AF@screaming.org> References: <5bg2e0$ar2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AF00F4DB-4F859@198.68.42.175> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lawson English wrote: > mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: > >On 01/14/97, Eric King wrote: > >> For me since I'm writing custom UI widgets, GX's hit testing > >> functions are a very crucial and powerful feature. I'm not even > >> sure if a general hit testing solution is possible in Postscript > >> given its language basis. > >> > > >...so how do I click on things in the DPS GUI? > >Read the Adobe Purple book, pp67, 135, 138-41, 141-45. > > That's hardly an answer, since most of us don't have access to the > Adobe Purple book. Why don't you give us a summary, instead? I've got a copy right here. infill and inneofill -- returns true if any portion of the point along the user path passed as an argument lies in the region painted by fill or eofill of the current path instroke -- returns true if any portion of the point or user path lies in the region painted by a stroke of the current path. The three following operators are similar except they use a user path instead of the current path. inufill inueofill inustroke > --------------------------------------------------- > NeXT was a company. NeXTstep still is a community. > --------------------------------------------------- -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: massello@primenet.com (Neill Massello) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 13 Jan 1997 01:35:01 -0700 Organization: Eidola Enterprises Message-ID: <massello-ya02408000R1301970134380001@news.primenet.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960258540001@news.erols.com> <32D884F8.291F@nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <32D884F8.291F@nwlink.com>, Rosarium <rosarium@nwlink.com> wrote: > On interesting thing is that in an artical in the Seattle Times Microsoft > announced that they are going to support the Apple NeXT platform. Now that > will be very intersting--Microsoft develping on a UNIX system. I think it's > the treat of Job's Toy Story fame that has them changing their tunes. Microsoft would have made that announcement anyway, even if they never intended to publish a Mac/NeXT application, just to deter others from entering the Mac market. Microsoft is the undisputed master of vapor and FUD.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 13 Jan 1997 06:40:03 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5bclc3$bk0@duke.squonk.net> References: <AEFD7E24-40A8A@207.158.13.54> <rex-ya023080001201971135220001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > OpenDOC integration's definitely going to be a sticky thing. > Apple's *not* going to abandon that technology, yet its going to > be hard gafting it into the Appkit. GX could ease things because > its a much much closer fit for the ODF than Postscript. (Just > about every ODF GUI structure has a direct GX analog, and they're > referenced in exactly the same way.) My guess is that it won't be all that hard figuring out how to get OpenDoc working under Rhapsody. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Message-ID: <32D99144.278A@tnet.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:35:00 -0800 From: Ari Ukkonen <ariukkonen@tnet.net> Organization: ThunderSoft Consulting Services MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephan Schaem wrote: > Its because the x86 is terrible in design... and in turn the code is not > smaller then risc code, but suffer all the cisc disadventages. > x86 is not cisc , P6 is not risc. x86 are just crap design. > > Dont label P6 code CISC and then prove a point that way... > > The general idea is that cisc can code more computation per byte, > please look at a 680x0 for a better example. ). I'm not saying a 68000 > is faster then a 500mhz PPC, just that byte for byte a 68000 acheive more, > and in turn require less bandwidth and less instruction cache size. It is truely a shame that the X86 platform is dominant instead of the 68K series with many 32bit register and clean design. Imagine what the 68k series would have been like if it was the defacto standard. With all that R&D money motorola could have made some kick-ass cpus. > > Stephan -- Ari Ukkonen Reply-To: ariukkonen@tnet.net or Ari_Ukkonen@amusers.victoria.bc.ca Amiga CD32+SX1 6 megs '020 14MHz Amiga 2000HD 1meg chip KS2.04 49MB HD NEC Ready 9522 P100 Mhz, 16 megs, 1.6 gig HDD, 4X CD, MPEG 1MB 64bit PCI ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "95% of computers are used by morons, and you need a MoronOS to keep them happy. There are only two: Windows and MacOS." (Dave Haynie) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my homepages at:http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/7481/ and http://members.tripod.com/~Ukkonen/
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:19:30 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1301971319300001@199.166.204.230> References: <AEFD7E24-40A8A@207.158.13.54> <rex-ya023080001201971135220001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5bclc3$bk0@duke.squonk.net> In article <5bclc3$bk0@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > My guess is that it won't be all that hard figuring out how to > get OpenDoc working under Rhapsody. The problem is there are a couple of ways to do it. The "correct" one would be to make the OpenStep libraries include code for writing Bento out, and include the embeding functionality. This would make NeXTStep "the opendoc OS" with no additional code etc. Ports of this new lib would then be needed to the other platforms that OpenStep supports, and for the other OS's that support OD via ODF. On the other hand they could port ODF to the new OS directly, as another shell over the OpenStep libraries. This would make ODF run directly in the new OS, although via yet another wrapper. Finally they could port ODF directly to DPS and it's windowing system, using it's own event system etc. The result of the last two is that you basically have _three_ boxes in the OS, Blue, Yellow and (effectively) ODF. Uggg. The best solution is the first, because then all applications become OD, it's invisible as it should be. Maury
From: Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Beginner questions Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:5#################################################################### From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:05:32 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> In article <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > GX is already part of System 7. Not it's *not*, it's 4% of the systems out there! That's a very serious problem. You're stating that it's better to... a) port GX to the new OS b) end up with TWO display models in the yellow box c) rewrite the superb NeXT GUI libs for these new calls (OUCH!) d) port THAT to Sys 7 e) make everyone with Sys 7 install GX which they don't do because it bloats the OS anyway f) get some dynamic lib system running under 68k that actually works ...and... g) rip out a lot of functions from the resulting system such that it doesn't need to have memory management, threads, protected memory etc. This is supposed to offer an advantage over... i) port OpenStep for Mach to 040 Macs. Maury
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3yJBn.BCI@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:30:58 GMT References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Joshua W. Burton <jburton@nwu.edu> wrote: >vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > >> Hi Josh, remember me? I bought a bunch of ODs from you some years >> back. > >Of course: all 126 names I wrote on all those boxes and shipping >forms at 3 in the morning are engraved forever in my mind. Especially >the one who sent me delicious German chocolates! > Wow, Joshua. Sorry I didn't send you any Canadian maple syrup or something. :-) >Yep, it's a sad world. Maybe we should stay away from this Apple >thing, now that we're suddenly popular, and try to push for a GnuBe >port or something. Actually, that name is kind of cute, huh? > In a lot of ways I'm very afraid of the Apple thing for just these reasons t-and for the fact that it makes c.s.n.advocacy even worse than before. Same crossposting wankers, but now they have a mandate to post there. :-( -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 14 Jan 1997 20:07:55 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5bgp2r$fmo@news.next.com> References: <howarth-ya02408000R1301971918140001@news.ececs.uc.edu> Jack Howarth writes > And if you read the interview with Tevenian carefully NeXT is > continuing all their existing product development and releases. It > shall be very interesting to see how NeXT (a company who because of > low profits I doubt maintains excess programming staff) manages to > juggle all their previous work and the Mac port at the same time. We'll manage somehow, and don't forget that we're gettting a lot of help from Apple. > I also find it very telling that Apple has so little to bring to the > table that they are only a third of the programming team. Not exactly. NeXT has a total of about 100 engineers, working on ALL our current projects. Apple is adding 50 or so people to our (much smaller) OS team. -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 13 Jan 1997 14:37:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFFFC3F-37901@198.68.42.245> References: <5bdfjm$m26@bignews.shef.ac.uk> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-000377B3" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-000377B3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Some of things the >> printing architecture does would be next to impossible with straight >> Postscript instead of GX PDDs as its basis. >> >Such as? > >PostScript is a *programming language*: you can tell it to do whatever you >want it to. OK, tell every second word of every line of every line of text that has been rotated 15 degrees from the horizontal that it should be colored a new color that is 15% transparent. GX printing defines page objects and shape lists for every page object. How do you do THAT with a cola nut? -----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Windows: Tumor-causing, teeth-staining, smelly, puking habit. -----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-000377B3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-000377B3" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-000377B3 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PARAM>Palatino</PARAM>>> Some#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!usenet From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next,programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: DPS Hit Detection Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Date: 14 Jan 1997 22:23:22 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Lines: 68 Message-ID: <5bh10q$c1s@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5bg2e0$ar2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AF00F4DB-4F859@198.68.42.175> <32DBDD3C.1EBAB5AF@screaming.org> Reply-To: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: daneel.dcs.shef.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <32DBDD3C.1EBAB5AF@screaming.org> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00083 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:24601 comp.sys.next:128 comp.sys.mac.misc:131715 comp.sys.mac.system:191495 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:179087 comp.sys.next.advocacy:52893 Followups adjusted accordingly... Oh heavens, I'm going to break my promise straight away <sigh> I'll try to justify this by way of its being of potential use to newcomers to OpenStep programming: I will not enter into any debates about the relative merits of this methodology vs GX/whatever... (I hope I will be forgiven for this Greg?) On 01/14/97, Pohl Longsine wrote: (edited slightly) > Lawson English wrote: > > mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: > > >On 01/14/97, Eric King wrote: > > >> For me since I'm writing custom UI widgets, GX's hit testing > > >> functions are a very crucial and powerful feature. I'm not even > > >> sure if a general hit testing solution is possible in Postscript > > >> given its language basis. > > >Read the Adobe Purple book, pp67, 135, 138-41, 141-45. > > > > That's hardly an answer, since most of us don't have access to the > > Adobe Purple book. Why don't you give us a summary, instead? > > infill and inneofill -- returns true if any portion of the point > along the user path passed as an argument lies in the > region painted by fill or eofill of the current path > > instroke -- returns true if any portion of the point or user > path lies in the region painted by a stroke of the current > path. > > The three following operators are similar except they use a > user path instead of the current path: > inufill, inueofill, inustroke > In addition to the straight PostScript operators, the Purple book (which IMHO will probably be a required read for many Mac developers, especially if they're considering graphics-based apps: Programming the Display PostScript system with NeXTstep Adobe Systems Inc Adison Wesley, 1992 ISBN 0-201-58135-3 -- it's somewhat out-of-date WRT NeXTstep itself, however the general DPS stuff should still be vaild -- Scott, Henry, Greg, anyone?) also mentions another option... I wanted to draw attention to an easily-missed paragraph on p140, which notes that it is possible to do hit detection without using the DPS operators. In general, assuming your mouse point and your drawn object are rectangles (or you can consider a bounding box around the drawn object), you can do hit detection using NXIntersectsRect (I presume there is an OpenStep equivalent?!) to first find whether the mouse point lies within the bounding box prior to doing any more "expensive" checks. I mentioned elsewhere an application I wrote which commonly had 4000+ items in a window (View); if I remember rightly, checking which representations intersected the mouse point saved a *lot* of time. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: jk@esperance.com (Joel Klecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU vs. Apple (was: NextStep OS) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:55:13 -0800 Organization: Esperance Communications Message-ID: <jk-1301972155130001@ip-salem1-12.teleport.com> References: <32BAF054.389C@rhea-and-kaiser.com> <dscott-ya023080002012961831160001@news.texas.net> <59fhjq$ioj@news.bctel.net> <sjonke-2112960036380001@outside.jagunet.com> <59grop$s7@news.acns.nwu.edu> <woody-2112961510090001@192.0.2.1> <59l7c4$14c@crl12.crl.com> <199612230728332472532@i2-26.islandnet.com> <woody-1201971314470001@192.0.2.1> Fingerprint="12 92 9C E4 60 DF 62 CD FC AD 18 47 9A 74 E7 D1"; access-type=URL; URL="http://www.esperance.com/pgp-key.asc" In article <woody-1201971314470001@192.0.2.1>, woody@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) wrote: > GNU's jihad against Apple ended a few years ago. Right after (I suspect) > realizing that Microsoft isn't exactly a stranger to litigation. And > realizing that most GNU users are PC users. *bzzzt* wrong. The Apple boycott was started by the LPF(because of the infamous "look and feel" lawsuit), FSF/GNU joined the boycott. After Apple lost that case, the LPF ceased its boycott and subsequently so did FSF/GNU. -- Joel Klecker http://www.esperance.com/ When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Beginner questions Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E409x6.9BE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:03:05 GMT References: <x6ybdwx5wn.fsf@queequeg.uchicago.edu> <32DB6BC1.689D@ibp.de> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <32DB6BC1.689D@ibp.de>, Lars Immisch <lars@ibp.de> wrote: >James Felix Black wrote: > >[snip] > >It's some time ago I saw a Cube... > It's an hour ago since I saw one. ;-) >> While I while away the hours waiting for a reliable connect to >> peanuts, I thought that I'd post a few random questions. I may soon >> (depending in part on the answers to my questions) aquire an '040 cube >> (25mhz). >> >> 1. How necessary is the OD? The system has a defective drive. Can it >> be easily replaced? How much should I expect to pay for one? > >It's not necessary, just nice. You will want a bigger hard disk instead >of the OD, probably. > That's what I'd do. Unless you have piles of disks that you really want to use, the OD isn't such a great plan. You can get them for $100 if you look carefully. >> 2. Does a cube support the floppy drive? If so, how much should I >> expect to pay for one? > >It's got one. Pretty sure. > Some do, some don't. Cubes that shipped as '040s have them internally, while upgraded '030 cubes don't. Since you have an optical drive, yours sounds like an upgraded '030. Side note: this is almost the only difference between a "stock" '040 and an upgraded '030, so don't sweat it. The power supplies are a little different in design, and you may have problems running a NeXTdimension system without a mono monitor on an upgraded '030 cube. Basically, the power supply turns itself off since it thinks there isn't enough current being drawn without the monochrome display. You can eit#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.apfel.de!news.radio.cz!CESspool!news.uoregon.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!dopey.met.utah.edu!user From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:58:37 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Lines: 18 Message-ID: <mazulauf-1401971458370001@dopey.met.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dopey.met.utah.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:24610 comp.sys.mac.system:191563 In article <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca>, lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) wrote: > mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu (Mike Zulauf) wrote: > > > If we have to buy a new machine to get a modern OS, we'll do so... > > As in WindowsNT? Give me a break. I would rather use System7. Well then you're welcome to it. I'll agree that NT 4 isn't as esthetically nice in many ways, but it's much better than it was, and has many significant advantages over System 7. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: Charles W Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:56:22 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8mrGVKW00iV945mC55@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <simpsonh-ya02408000R1401972141060001@news.dca.net> In-Reply-To: <simpsonh-ya02408000R1401972141060001@news.dca.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 14-Jan-97 Re: Feedback to Apple about.. by Homer Simpson@post.drexe > I think that in May there will be some real road maps made explaining all > of the Unkowns. My fear is that this new os will be nothing more than > OpenStep repackaged. This does not excite me at all. What's new, what's > exciting about it? It's UNIX for crying outloud with a pretty interface. Can I say that you're very much mistaken about what OPENSTEP is without starting an argument? Perhaps not, but we'll see. Fact: OPENSTEP is not Unix. OPENSTEP is a platform-independant API and object library for developing applications which can run on many platforms-- not just Unix. For a real-world example, remember that you can run OPENSTEP apps on NT. [ ... ] > I had hoped for a truely modern os that would take advantage of > improvements made to memory management, files systems and distributed > symetric multiprocessing that have been discussed in Computer Science over > the last decade. Instead we are getting the same basic design that System > Vr4 gave us with some things fixed and a nice facade to a command line > interface along with 2.5 Mach kernel which is about 7 or 8 years old now. Where to start? First, the Mach kernel used under NEXTSTEP is a well designed piece of work. It has good preemptive multitasking with kernel thread support. It has a very good virtual memory implementation, including copy-on-write, shared memory via pages mapping into multiple address spaces and fast IPC via Mach messaging to either local or remote processes. NeXT has never released an SMP version of NEXTSTEP, but Mach is SMP-capable, and didn't Apple say there were going to support SMP? While NEXTSTEP normally uses the Berkeley FFS (which again is a well-done, mature filesystem implementation that's much better than HFS, FAT-xx, or HPFS, and reasonably comparible to NTFS), there was a version of TransArc's Andrew File System (AFS) available which gave ACL's, replicated fileservers, and so forth. Could Mach be improved? Of course. It would be great if they supported user paging objects, updated their NFS implementation, and added more of the BSD 4.4 networking capabilities (although NEXTSTEP does include some of the BSD 4.4 functionality). I also wouldn't mind seeing the FFS be replaced by JFS or XFS, but that's less important. > I won't even begin to discuss the security issues that unix can present. I would note that the vast majority of security problems with Unix systems are due to poor administration and OS vendors shipping insecure systems. Apple would do itself and its customers a big favor by handling security better than other OS vendors have done in the past. > NeXT has done a fine job of hiding most of UNIX with its appKits and its > Objective C usage but it is still Unix under the hood. NEXTSTEP is, yes. That's one of NEXTSTEP's greatest strengths compared to most of the other operating systems used on personal computers. As I said above, OPENSTEP has nothing to do with Unix. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Charles Bennett <chuck@benatong.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Termcap entry for Linux? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:30:57 -0500 Organization: BenaTong Message-ID: <32DCF831.2C53@benatong.com> References: <lwu3u9d802.fsf@rebus.physics.mcgill.ca> <4uo2h1$6bk@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------56B4459748E84" ------------56B4459748E84 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Assuming you are running bash on the linux box you can also add the line TERM="vt100" to your local .bashrc and the problem will go away. I run RedHat 4.0 and NeXTSTEP 3.3 on Intel and Black Chuck -- "A good OS is like good government: it allows threads to run freely so long as they do not interfere with other threads, then kills them cleanly if they do." ------------56B4459748E84 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY> <DT>Assuming you are running bash on the linux box you can also add the line</DT> <DT>TERM="vt100" to your local .bashrc and the problem will go away.</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>I run RedHat 4.0 and NeXTSTEP 3.3 on Intel and Black</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>Chuck<BR> -- <BR> "A good OS is like good government: it allows threads to run freely so long as<BR> they do not interfere with other threads, then kills them cleanly if they do."<BR> </DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------56B4459748E84--
From: racecarr@soltec.com (Tony M. Carr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:09:35 -0600 Organization: Race Carr Unlimited Message-ID: <racecarr-ya02408000R1401972009350001@news.cu.soltec.com> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <lewisda-ya023580001301970205390001@news.dal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lewisda-ya023580001301970205390001@news.dal.ca>, lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) wrote: > "Ken Schrock" <kens@cannet.com> wrote: > > > Dave L. <lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY> wrote in article > > > I think that most Mac users would want to stay with Apple. > > > > Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? > > That's easy... fear mongering. > Or the Wintel side is growing faster than the Mac side. IE if the total number of Macs increase 5% and the PCs increase 8%, the Mac's percentage of the total would decrease. I'm sure the total number of Macs is use increased. Tony C. -- Tony M. Carr Veteran of the Psychic War
From: "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 14 Jan 97 17:56:36 -0800 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <AF01798E-1047D8@206.173.241.140> References: <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.concentric.net/comp.sys.mac.system >I believe in the absence of a huge outcry from the Mac community Apple will try to >put [Nubus Powermac owners] out to pasture on System 7.x. > Jack I'm observing the growing number of related NewsGroups we in these related threads are broadcasting to - and the growing number of lengthening, related threads in this NewsGroup. It won't be long until most of this group's threads go to the issue of Apple's unbridled abandonment of her core loyalist who helped establish the Macintosh paradigm in 1984 and those of us more recently from the first generation of PowerMac owners. Apple, sit up and be on notice: We_are_organizing a class-action resistance to your back-handedness! Remember to Boycott 7.6. - Paul Prior to sending email, remove '.REMOVEthisToRespond' in the From field.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:47:41 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001401972347410001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971932260001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: ) Why? DPS doesn't run on 7.x. )> Why? That's totally unnecessary. If anything all that would need to be )> done is implement some GX alternatives. i.e. you'd have a standard DPS text )> object and a GX text object. Both should be useable in the same window. )> When printing the Postscript code generated from the GX objects in a window )> would be sent along with the DPS code. ) ) So how are you going to handle windows that want one, the other, or )both? It's back to DPS. No its not. The GX objects use GX to draw, the DPS objects use DPS to draw. The only problem is arbitration and clipping. Something Apple's going to *have* to figure out anyway if they want QD 3D and Quicktime to perform well. All of the Quick**** technologies want/need direct access to the screen. Fortunately Next has already done some work in the area with Interceptor, but it sounds like the architecture needs some cleaning up before its ready to serve as a basis for QTML. ) So we get a system in which if you want portability you sacrifice )functionality. Uhhh, that's why they _dropped_ Copeland, remember? Uh no, the reason why they dropped Copland was because the Copland team had spent too much time working on side projects like porting the window manager and other crusty 68k code to C and trying to do impossible tasks like get Quickdraw to become protected memory and PMT-friendly. (straight from the mouths of Apple system software engineers...) Trying to graft GX's technologies on to DPS has that same impossible feeling that enhancing Classic Quickdraw for preemptive multitasking and protected memory did. Sure it sounds doable from the start but when you look deeper one encounters all sorts of nasty little technical problems. In retrospect (according to them) it would have been far easier if they had just gone full-steam ahead with GX, and told developers that Quickdraw and its dependent would never be usable outside of the compatibility box. Further they should have left the window, menu, etc. managers as is, and started work on newer GX-based replacements years ago. Developers would have been able to move to the new APIs under 7.x and when 8.0 finally rolled around those same apps would be instantly preemptively multitasked and protected. A new window manager *should* have been released simultaneously with GX (what else are those client heaps and viewport hierarchies for...), but Apple didn't think such a thing was necessary at the time and that they'd eventually get around to it. So what we saw were bizarre announcements like Copland would support fully preemptive and protected tasks as long as they *didn't* use any of the GUI-related Toolbox calls. However GX would probably still be callable from those tasks... Overall GX technology has been woefully mishandled, but despite that mishandling GX Typography is still a very crucial Apple technology, and one that is causing quite a bit of interest and development in Asian markets. The problem is that most of its effects are implemented on top of a shape and object database that is non-existent in Postscript and the Appkit. Furthermore the database is such that it doesn't cleanly fit in as extra DPS code or as extensions to class in the Appkit. If Apple's going to be punching holes in the screen for QTML, chances are it'll be *much* easier to just let GX use those same holes and extend the appkit with a few new classes. This way there's less of a chance of breaking something in the Appkit and there's the potential to provide some limited functionality bridges for 7.x developers. It should also speed the Rhapsody port, by keeping GX intact Apple doesn't have to reimplement and change the appkit and DPS system. When the QTML integration is done GX can just tag along, and widgets based on its layout edit libraries and other features could be implemented very quickly. ) Yes, but only if it's running. GX always runs if it's installed. That's because its always doing something, remember it takes over font rendering. I believe GX devotes ~200k or so to its font caches. For compatibility reasons Classic Quickdraw's Font caches have to be kept around also. As 7.x's VM system continues to improve and GX is upgraded, the memory requirements will go down. )as soon as you print, that jumps to about 2 meg. And then goes back down when you're done. Your point? )> We're not talking about something that would serve the needs of every )> developer, just those with small to medium size apps and who would benefit )> from having a Rhapsody native version of their app that also ran on older )> systems. ) ) Which OpenStep already does. OpenStep most assuredly does *NOT* provide that. I'm talking about operating systems, not hardware systems. If you follow Apple's road map it'll probably be 2-3 years before a very compatible Rhapsody release is made. It's not at all unlikely that most users will take a wait and see approach, and stick with the 7.x upgrades until they're sure everything they want to run is available on Rhapsody. For developers this means that they'll have to support 7.x for quite a while and that support will substantially delay the transition to Rhapsody. ) NeXT does, they used to run on 040's. NeXT Cubes and NeXTstations are *not* the same as '040 Macs. It's a support chip problem that's preventing Apple from supporting the older systems. They haven't kept good records on the low-level details of their hardware designs. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: DPS Hit Detection Date: 15 Jan 1997 04:37:23 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5bhmu3$ntg@news.digifix.com> References: <5bg2e0$ar2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <AF00F4DB-4F859@198.68.42.175> <32DBDD3C.1EBAB5AF@screaming.org> In-Reply-To: <32DBDD3C.1EBAB5AF@screaming.org> On 01/14/97, Pohl Longsine wrote: >Lawson English wrote: >> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: >> >On 01/14/97, Eric King wrote: >> >> For me since I'm writing custom UI widgets, GX's hit testing >> >> functions are a very crucial and powerful feature. I'm not even >> >> sure if a general hit testing solution is possible in Postscript >> >> given its language basis. >> >> >> >> >...so how do I click on things in the DPS GUI? >> >Read the Adobe Purple book, pp67, 135, 138-41, 141-45. >> >> That's hardly an answer, since most of us don't have access to the >> Adobe Purple book. Why don't you give us a summary, instead? > >I've got a copy right here. > >infill and inneofill -- returns true if any portion of the point > along the user path passed as an argument lies in the > region painted by fill or eofill of the current path > >instroke -- returns true if any portion of the point or user > path lies in the region painted by a stroke of the current > path. > >The three following operators are similar except they use a >user path instead of the current path. > >inufill >inueofill >inustroke > Yes, hit detection is possible using DPS. Of course many of us have been handling hit detection for YEARS on the Macintosh without GX. The MiscKit also includes some cover objects for hit detection as I recall, although they would need to be OpenStep-afied. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:05:20 GMT References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, Jon Tidswell <jont@mri.mq.edu.au> wrote: >[ Note Cross posts ] > >Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, >NeXT is using. NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/Mach use a 2.5 kernel with NeXT extensions (I don't remember exactly what those are at the moment...) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701142101.QAA15944@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: af49fe0f219f216f2cb946603cefd005 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 16:00:57 -0500 Subject: Re: cron and individual crontabs (ala SunOS) Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: af49fe0f219f216f2cb946603cefd005 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: shaffer@durer.phyast.pitt.edu (C. David Shaffer) Original Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:32:49 GMT > I just found a good reason to use cron on my NeXTstation only to > discover that it doesn't work the same way as it did on my > SPARCstation on SunOS 4.1.3. Can anyone give me pointers as to how > one might simulate the "individual crontab" instead of the system > global one in /etcv/private. I would like for users to be able to > create cron table entries without having root privs. Any pointers > appreciated. (E-mail or posts are fine). Depends on how many users you have I guess zsh is on NS 3.3 or later. You can get it from PEAK if you have pre-3.3 NOTE: you have to use the GNU egrep to use this script, or else change it to a series of "grep -v root|grep -v agent" and so on basically you want to remove the users who you DON'T want to check. #!/usr/bin/zsh me=`whoami` # this script must be run as root if [ "$me" = "root" ] then for i in `nidump passwd . | \ tr -s ':' ' ' | \ awk '{print $1}' | \ egrep -v "root|agent|nobody|uucp|news|sybase|daemon"` do if [ -x ~$i/.crontab ] then # Found crontab for this user that was # executable su $i -c ~$i/.crontab fi done fi exit 0 You could just add that script to root's cron entry, and it will run. I give no guarantees for security holes, etc etc. I just whipped this off in a hurry (*ow*). TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep|OpenStep web page, email me the URL!]
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:28 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001501971738280001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu>, gt7357a@acmey.gatech.edu (Tp12a) wrote: > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: > : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers > : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and > : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium > : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted > : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a > : processor. > > I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from > marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" > is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any > other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 > protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). > Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the > horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." It seems reasonable to consider "bitness" when comparing chips from different families, here you point out the fact that within the x86 family that there were and are several sets of ISA and memory addressing models available. But the terms "16-bit" "32-bit" "64-bit" are still useful, as long as you know the difference between "64bit address space", "32bit ALU", and "16bit data bus". Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address space. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: sugee@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cost of a NeXT Web Site? Date: 15 Jan 1997 22:57:06 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu> I doubt that many advocates and customers like Chylser, CyberSlice, Nissan, and etc. as the list goes on, will argue about the merits of using NeXT's Web technologies for deploying their Web sites. We have all heard plenty and are proud of what is being accomplished. However, what I haven't heard anything about, something which curiously dawned on me recently and after reviewing what some of these folks are doing, is the cost of implementing and deploying these Web Sites. Can anybody provide approximate costs or actual figures of sites like these? I do respect people's anonymity. Cheers, Sue
From: gt7357a@acmey.gatech.edu (Tp12a) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 15 Jan 1997 23:49:42 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : processor. I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." If the ALU word length determined the "bitness" of a processor, then my HP48 pocket calculator is a 64 bit machine, just like a DEC Alpha. If the maximum address space determined "bitness," a Commodore 64 would be a 16-bit machine... With virtual memory, an Intel 80486 would be a 40 bit machine! Go figure... Cheers, Phil : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer * -- Philip C. Tsao (pronounced 'Philip C. Tsao') Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7357a gt7357a@prism.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt7357a
From: turnefh@mail.auburn.edu ("Fred H. Turner, III") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:40:55 -0600 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <turnefh-ya02408000R1501971740550001@news.earthlink.net> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1>, eilersm@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Michael Eilers) wrote: >The people who really need >and will use a modern OS have already moved on. > >michael Oh, really? I "really need and will use" a modern OS, but, you know, Michael, I just haven't gotten around to having a couple thousand extra bucks in my pocket to replace this rickety old, piece-o'-shit 7100 of mine with. Sure, it hardly runs and is so slow that I'd rather use my old Mac Classic, but I just can't quite afford a gee-whiz PCI-based machine yet. The poor NuBus-based 7100 is a whopping 2 years old now, so I'm amazed that it even boots anymore. I think Apple should listen to you-- why in the hell would they want to support someone who just spent $4000 on their equipment 2 years ago. Oh, I'm sorry-- I forgot that by that time, it will have been 3 years. Heck, I imagine most of us who bought ancient, NuBus machines way back then will be dead and buried by that time.
From: REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Finder vs. File Viewer Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:55:45 -0500 Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Message-ID: <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-ya02408000R1501971955450001@news.uth.tmc.edu> References: <cwood41-ya023080000301971353250001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5ajpb6$87i@news3.digex.net> <cwood41-ya023080000301972129040001@news.caps.maine.edu> <5amjrs$5c2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <marke-0401971504110001@ip029.mu3.nwlink.com> <5aoou2$18r@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <akac-0601970109270001@slip-104-30.ots.utexas.edu> <5atdp1$gq@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <jbf-ya023580000801970142540001@news.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jbf-ya023580000801970142540001@news.tiac.net>, jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) wrote: > PM.app corresponds to PrintMonitor on the > Mac. Available whenever a print job is queued. The Desktop Printer just > gives you a clickable way to access the queue for a specific printer. > Presumably useful if you use many printers at the same time. Also useful if you have several printers, even if you use them only one at a time. -- David Gutierrez drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 02:37:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : (Tp12a) wrote: : > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : > : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : > : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : > : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : > : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : > : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : > : processor. : > : > I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from : > marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" : > is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any : > other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 : > protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). : > Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the : > horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." : It seems reasonable to consider "bitness" when comparing chips from : different families, here you point out the fact that within the x86 family : that there were and are several sets of ISA and memory addressing models : available. But the terms "16-bit" "32-bit" "64-bit" are still useful, as : long as you know the difference between "64bit address space", "32bit ALU", : and "16bit data bus". : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola : had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit : processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it : has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address : space. I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: Michael Alfonso Visconti <mv2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:34:30 -0500 Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wmrLSKW00WBLI_Bf0q@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <mazulauf-1501970100320001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> In-Reply-To: <mazulauf-1501970100320001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.system: 15-Jan-97 Re: Feedback to Apple about.. by Mike Zulauf@atmos.met.ut > > I'm sure that this wasn't the first instance where Apple said that Copland > would run on NuBus PowerMacs - just the earliest that I've dug up so far. > > Mike > But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died.
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:06:54 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1501972306550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <5bei9m$5et@usenet.rpi.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001501970138580001@news.dal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lewisda-ya023580001501970138580001@news.dal.ca>, lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) wrote: >I honestly think that a lot of it has to do with fear mongering and >propaganda. If the media says that Apple is dead enough times, then it will >eventually become a reality... a self-fulfilling prophesy. Likewise, if the >media tells people enough times that Bill Gates, the biggest geek that ever >lived, is a cyber-god who was sent to earth to guide us all into the brave >new electronic frontier, then people will believe that too. The Mac is >still far superior to a Win95 machine but all we hear about in the media is >"Apple is dead" and Apple has made no attempt to refute those claims. It's >called *propeganda* and *fear mongering*. Apple has to come up with an >aggresive hard hitting marketing campaign to get the truth out. I'm sick to >death of this pathetic sacarine coated Hallmark-style "give your dreams a >chance" Performa crap!!!!! Hmmm...Apple just had its debt rating lowered again today...does that say anything about the confidence of the business world in Apple Computer. Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: cancel <howarth-ya02408000R1501972324060001@news.ececs.uc.edu> Control: cancel <howarth-ya02408000R1501972324060001@news.ececs.uc.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:24:28 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1501972324280001@news.ececs.uc.edu> cancel <howarth-ya02408000R1501972324060001@news.ececs.uc.edu>
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:25:33 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1501972325330001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net>, zxeses@zapcom.stop.spam.net (Zxeses) wrote: >The computer industry is a funny place. Think about it this way, Apple >Mac's used to represent 10-15% of the computers, then the PC sales picked >up and new computers were sold to people who didn't have computers before. >Apple keeps 96-98% of their users. The problem comes in that the growth >rate is probably around 4-6% also, so it' s a wash. > >In other words, there are no MORE Apple Sales, but no less either. The >computer industry is growing, therefore apple's "share" of this pie keeps >getting smaller, but not so many less buyers/users. > >Make sense? Good! cause I almost forgot why I was writing this! :) > >So his point, that most Mac users stay with Mac's, is true still. I will >always use a Mac, even if the company goes under, when I can't use my Mac >any more, I will toss it out and never use a computer again.. > Perhaps your conclusion from the observation that repeat buyers rather than new owners make up the overwhelming bulk of Apple's sales should have been as follows. Since the above is true, it is insane for Apple to permanently alienate such a large segment of its user base as Nubus Powermac owners. I warn you that if Nubus Powermac owners leave the platform they will take a large share of 68K owners will go with them. The Nubus Powermac owners were the risk takers during the transition to the PPC and these sort of people tend to be more technically adept. They are the sort others ask for help and advice. What recommendation do you suspect these folks will make when asked by 68K owners about what model of Macintosh to buy? I myself have stopped all recommendations on Apple hardware until they have resolved the issue of Rhapsody support for Nubus Powermacs in a reasonable and honest fashion (no vague promises). Perhaps if their sales and stock price craters for a quarter or two they will come to their senses. Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.transputer,comp.sys.unisys,comp.sys.xerox,comp.sys.zenith.z100,comp.terminals,comp.terminals.bitgraph,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.5bkek0$fah@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Control: cancel <5bkek0$fah@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <5bkek0$fah@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:36:48 GMT Sender: martin.boucher@cgocable.ca ($$$ EASY MONEY $$$) ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm J. Porter Clark, d/b/a The Unknown News Administrator
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Message-ID: <E4262s.6FL@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <5bdsh4$jp4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:35:16 GMT In article <5bdsh4$jp4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> raph@porter.as.utexas.edu (William Raphael Hix) writes: > Ken Schrock (kens@cannet.com) wrote: > > : Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? > > The number of Mac users is in fact growing. However since this group is > growing at a rate slower than the rate of growth for total computer > users, the market share (the percentage of the total) is declining. > > Raph > Your definition of market share sounds ok, but I have the impression that when journalists are talking about market share, they are talking about the percentage of newly sold copies. The market share journalists are talking about is dropping faster than your definition. (Probably the same journalists that are talking about stabilization of the growth rate of inflation.) hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: Beginner questions Message-ID: <E4252I.6Cs@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <32DB6BC1.689D@ibp.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:13:30 GMT In article <32DB6BC1.689D@ibp.de> Lars Immisch <lars@ibp.de> writes: > James Felix Black wrote: > > [snip] > > > > 4. I have a USR 33.6 sportster sitting around ... but the NeXT serial > > situation makes me nervous: can an '040 cube drive a serial port fast > > enough, or should I invest in a cheapo PC and route PPP to ethernet > > (suboptimal)? > > Arggghmmnn. I'm not 100% sure, but according to the man pages you should > be able to drive your modem fast enough. You _will_ need a special cable > (I usually take a Mac cable, and solder a new DB 25 connector to it 'coz > it's a real pain to solder the DIN 9's) > > [sip] I tried this but this did not work because most 'high speed' Mac cables only have 6 out of 8 pins of the Mini Din-8 connector connected. And you do need the two pins not used on the Mac for an 040 NeXT. More details at the "TheSolutions" section of "http://www.radical.com". If you have to solder use the very thin wire-wrap wire. If you want to use the modem at 33.6 line speed , you need a 57.6 baud connection to your modem. This will keep your Cube rather busy. hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
From: Johannes Geiss <jgeiss@wilma.qint.de> Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace,alt.fan.enya,alt.good.morning,alt.good.news,alt.music.enya,alt.personals,alt.personals.misc,comp.graphics.misc,comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.windows.misc,misc.wanted,rec.arts.misc,rec.skiing.alpine,rec.skiing.snowboard,sci.misc,soc.culture.canada,soc.misc Subject: Canadian girl in Austria, Kaprun, KITZSTEINHORN Followup-To: alt.fan.enya Date: 16 Jan 1997 15:54:05 +0100 Organization: Qint Software Message-ID: <wziv4x1xiq.fsf@wilma.qint.de> Hello, sorry for bothering this newsgroup but I'm looking for a certain canadian girl I've met in Europe/Austria/Zell am See in the "Crazy Daisy" pub at the night of new year, 3:00 hours. She was on vacation at Kaprun and skiing on the mountain Kitzsteinhorn until January, 06. I have forgotten to ask her about her name and so I try to contact her this way. If you may know her please ask her to contact me via eMail. My address is "jgeiss@qint.de". She is ca. 170(?) cm, tall, short dark hair (nearly black), black eyebrowes, brown eyes, age ca. 27(?) years. She wore a dark grey pullover and black pants. I asked her, "Where do you come from?", and we talked about "overcrowded Europe" and "not getting up too early for skiing". Again, sorry for bothering you in this newsgroup. Thank you Johannes -- ============================================//===================== Johannes R. Geiss // Qint Software http://www-internal.qint.de/~jgeiss \\ // Robert-Koch-Str. 2 ========================================\X/========================
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:26:10 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5blkr2$sdm@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com> In article <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com>, rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) writes: |> In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu |> (David T. Wang) wrote: |> > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: |> > : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication |> > : that Motorola had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by |> > : calling the 68K a 32-bit processor. I would consider the |> > : 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it has a 16-bit data |> > : bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address |> > : space. |> > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, |> > there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were |> > acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations |> > actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this |> > indeed the case? |> The original 68000 did indeed have a 16-bit ALU and the behavior |> of which you speak. This did not change until the 68020 if memory |> serves. On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A lot like increasing the clock speed. Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: Toshinao Ishii <ici@giocoso.ici.net.jp> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: PopOver + procmail ? Date: 16 Jan 1997 04:16:53 +0900 Organization: 3WEB corp. Message-ID: <x6pvz6g34q.fsf@giocoso.ici.net.jp> Hi. Is there any way to pass emails received by using PopOver (or other pop client) to procmail ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-= Toshinao Ishii email: ici@osk.threewebnet.or.jp (NeXTMAIL/MIME Welcome)
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:26:34 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1601970926350001@ctsasync82.cc.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> In article <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net>, zxeses@stop.spams.dead.edu (Zxeses) wrote: > How did we go from "Currently Shipping Mac's" to "Apple is considering > dumping".... I do follow the logic sure, but before we start complaining > about something we know *NOTHING* factual about, lets come to an > understanding that Apple will be reasonable and give major segments of > their user base what they want. For the umpteenth time, Apple is "investigating the work required to support older systems." If you can't see that this means they are considering dumping those older systems then you need to take a reading comprehension course. Here is the relevant blurb: "Apple's goal is for Rhapsody to support all PowerPC-processor based Macintosh hardware sold by Apple and Apple licensees today, and all upcoming products including the PowerPC Platform, also known as CHRP. Apple is investigating the work required to support older systems as well." from "Mac OS and NeXT Technologies FAQ." http://macos.apple.com/macos/releases/rhapsody/faq.rhap.html > Why must they say so soon? Why can't you wait until it actually SHIPS > before you hit them with 'shit'?? > > End of the year people, just tell Apple what you want and then wait it out, > don't KILL apple for something they havent don't yet! Once Apple makes the decision, then we won't be able to influence it at all. Do you understand that? The whole point of all this bitching is to let Apple know that they _must_ decide to support the NuBus PowerMacs! Another reason to act soon is that many people will not want to sink much money into a sytem that may be a dead-ender. I know that I am delaying purchasing anything major for my Mac - I've heard similar sentiments for others. In case you haven't heard, sales of Mac software are dropping - this does nothing to help the platform. See the following URL for more info: (http://www.macweek.com/top_stories/nw_soft_sales.html > A loyal mac addict, Apple lover, and all around resonable guy, who would > rather eat razors and lead paint then use Winsuck-Anything. If Apple stops > MAKING computers, I will stop USING computers. Well good for you. Most of us are a little more balanced than that. For me, to quit using computers would mean having to enter a completely new line of work, and throwing a way many years of education. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: John Palkovic <palkovic@fnal.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 16 Jan 1997 11:24:21 -0600 Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL Sender: palkovic@petcon2.fnal.gov Message-ID: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> <turnefh-ya02408000R1501971740550001@news.earthlink.net> turnefh@mail.auburn.edu ("Fred H. Turner, III") writes: > Oh, really? I "really need and will use" a modern OS, but, you know, > Michael, I just haven't gotten around to having a couple thousand extra > bucks in my pocket to replace this rickety old, piece-o'-shit 7100 of mine > with. Sure, it hardly runs and is so slow that I'd rather use my old Mac > Classic, ... Fred, thanks for your cogent and relevant commentary. I have a Performa 6116 at home, should I throw it in the dumpster tonight and then kill myself? It may not run Rhapsody, and life just has no meaning for me anymore. Why, oh why did I buy a Nubus Powermac? * Sincerely, -John -- palkovic@fnal.gov http://users.net66.com/~jp home: palkovic@usa.net MIME and pgp welcome. * Insert :-) if you are humor-impaired.
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 17:36:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5blou9$ia8@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Christopher C. Wood (christw@lexis-nexis.com) wrote: : On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. : It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit : ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A : lot like increasing the clock speed. Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that 68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit processor. : Chris : -- : Speaking only for myself, of course. : Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: killer apps for Apple/NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1997 01:31:25 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins Message-ID: <5bk0dd$jnq@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> Cc: ziziz@worldnet.att.net In <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao wrote: > Dean Hall is looking for killer apps for Apple/NeXT OS. He says: > "So far > most of the stories have been about > Apple , I would really like to know > about how the deal affects NeXT > developers. Does anyone have a > killer app in the works? What about > game developers? " > in his webpage http://members.tripod.com/~dehall/nextstep.html One of the companies I contract for may just have the "killer app". Imagine building first class OpenStep objects (especially highly graphical animating ones) with no code at all. This thing could put Visual Basic out of the picture and or be a great way to build Visual Basic component ware. My company is in fact working on a high end game using all of the latest greatest NeXT technology. Sorry I can not give details. P.S. Renderman was already available for Mac
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:02:47 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001601971602470001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971932260001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5bkq8s$rm5@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bkq8s$rm5@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: )Along the same lines, let's revisit that 4% figure. Personally )I have trouble believing the success rate of QDGX among Mac users )is even that high, but let's go with it. GX is not in the standard install package. The only thing that suggests to users to install GX is a little flash screen that pops ups at the end of the install process. This is usually ignored. )That means 96% of Apple's current users have rejected QDGX, even )though it's already on the CD, By that same token millions of users have rejected QD 3D, OpenDOC, and any other Apple technology that isn't automatically installed. )ready for them to install. Nothing )to port, nothing to buy. Just a few clicks of the mouse, and it )would be installed. Actually when upgrading few people ever go beyond what the easy install does or what was pre-installed at the factory. )And yet they do not install it. How important can a technology be )if 96% of your *current* users will not even bother to *install* )it? (never mind how many people actually *use* it) How important are QD 3D and OpenDOC? The number of copies of GX in use are certainly on par with those two technologies. )Eh? ) )What does this refer to? Docs for NeXTSTEP? The NeXTSTEP which )already runs on 68040 processors? Nope docs about their own hardware. It's very telling that Apple couldn't get Nukernel to run on 68k machines with PPC upgrades. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 19:18:51 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> Nervous writes: : In article <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com>, : edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) wrote: : €In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: : € : €> Lasse Olsen wrote: : €> > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. : €> > Where can I buy one? : €> > Cheers... : €> The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. : € : € : €Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? : You can get a 300Mhz 603e as well. Even multiprocessor 604e-based computers. So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? Cheers...
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 17 Jan 1997 01:28:28 GMT Organization: Kuentos Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bmkjs$oq@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> <32DC5F69.126@rust.net> <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net> In <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net>, dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) writes: >On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:39:05 -0500, bryan white <bwhite3@rust.net> >wrote: > >>> Compaq has had Klamath 266s for quite a while now. >> >>Have they sold any of these yet? > >No. > >>> deal from there, although I do want to see the 100 mhz busses - _that_ >>> will be an improvement. >> >>There seems to be at least one pentium MB running up to 83 MHZ (ASUS >>something or other). What is the PPro MB running at? > >66 mhz, isn't it? Yes, Asus runs at 83 mhz, although that isn't a >standard, supported spec from Intel. 100 mhz will be. Also a 33 mhz >ISA bus will be standardized, although I can't get excited about that. > No PC dealer right now in their right mind should recommend boosted motherboard speeds to 75MHz or 83MHz without fully supporting the consequences of their recommendations if they sold such systems to consumers. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 17 Jan 1997 01:01:43 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bmj1n$lne@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Darin Johnson (darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com) wrote: : >Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to : >determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that : >68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it : >had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit : >processor. : As for myself (eveyrone has a different take on it, as there is no ISO : standard for computer terminology), the assembler language was 32-bit, : so I called the chip a 32-bit cpu. Ie, to the assembler programmer, : the 68000 and 68020 are essentially the same (minus a few instructions : and trap handling). It makes it hard when the programmer's model is different than the architecture. Do you call the processor by what it presents to you, or do you call it by what it is doing underneath? Reminds me of the PPro CISC/RISC debate. : Of course, this breaks down with the x86 series, since the chips run : multiple modes. But these chips are very unique as well (what other : cpu had 3 or more modes that it dealt with?). If restricting yourself : to "primary" modes, the one most used, or intended to be most used, : then you can still classify them this way (despite the fact that many : people still used real-modes in 386 and higher chips). : -- : Darin Johnson : darin@connectnet.com
From: Graeme Bentley <Graeme.Bentley@Fujitsu.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:03:35 -0800 Organization: Fujitsu Australia, Systems Development Software Group Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Doenges wrote: <...snip...> > In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a > 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit > seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. There's a 'blast from the past'. It was the DEC PDP-8/S (serial==slow). It had a horrible addressing scheme. One could address relative +/-128words, or absolute to either 'page 0' or current page (of instruction), or indirect through a page 0/current pointer. Then in addition one could switch 'fields' (banks). The system I worked on started off with a (paper) tape system monitor then we upgarded with a 32K word (direct addressable) disk. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme T. Bentley (Graeme.Bentley@fujitsu.com.au) "Vive et Vivus" Fujitsu Australia Ltd, Melbourne. (standard disclaimers apply) ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:30:28 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e6d5e1.87728943@news.onramp.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> <32DC5F69.126@rust.net> <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net> <5bmkjs$oq@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 17 Jan 1997 01:28:28 GMT, crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: >>66 mhz, isn't it? Yes, Asus runs at 83 mhz, although that isn't a >>standard, supported spec from Intel. 100 mhz will be. Also a 33 mhz >>ISA bus will be standardized, although I can't get excited about that. > >No PC dealer right now in their right mind should recommend boosted >motherboard speeds to 75MHz or 83MHz without fully supporting the >consequences of their recommendations if they sold such systems to >consumers. Check on comp.sys.ibm.pc.motherboards or somesuch and you'll see that there's an incredibly high success rate with dozens of different motherboards. 75 mhz gotten to be pretty old hat by now, and Asus 83 mhz boost is the newest rage. ________________________________________________ Reachable at: 713 629 6947 nights Please quote in all replies
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:30:41 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1601971830410001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> <turnefh-ya02408000R1501971740550001@news.earthlink.net> <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov>, John Palkovic <palkovic@fnal.gov> wrote: > >Fred, thanks for your cogent and relevant commentary. I have a >Performa 6116 at home, should I throw it in the dumpster tonight and >then kill myself? It may not run Rhapsody, and life just has no >meaning for me anymore. Why, oh why did I buy a Nubus Powermac? * > > Perhaps it doesn't really matter to you that your Mac will never be able to run a totally native modern os with pre-emptive multitasking and protected memory. Perhaps you don't really mind having to reboot a machine daily or even hourly compared to having it run without going down for months at a time. The problem is that many others do and quite a few of them were the trail-blazers who bought into the original Powermacs back when there was virtually no native software at all. They stayed with Apple because of the promise of the PPC and Copland/Gershwin eventually running on their machines. The problem Apple has is these sort of people are often in charge of running computer centers or the guru that others seek out for advice. By alienating these people, Apple can not begin to buy enough advertising to undo all the negative PR they will bring on themselves. The issue is simple as it is clear. Apple presented us with two promised system upgrades (Copland and Gershwin) while leaving the impression that at least the latest machine at the time (Nubus Powermacs) would be able to run them. If Apple's position is that because it never explicitly promised any particular machine it made would run Copland and/or Gershwin than they should have added a huge caveat to their press releases stating '"these operating systems shall eventually run on some system we eventually produce provided we ever eventually release the os". At the moment one can only go by the reality of the situation. We have Rhapsody, a vapor OS, which unlikely ever run on 50% of the user base (68K machines) and could very well not run on another 30% (Nubus Powermacs). On the other hand, we have NT which can run on a fast 486 and up which includes the bulk of PCs currently in use. Is it any wonder that Mac promoters are often treated these days as harmless morons? Someone needs to turn the reality distortion generator off around here and point out that the emperor has no clothes. Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 16 Jan 1997 18:52:24 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5dsu77.9nu.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5blou9$ia8@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> >Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to >determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that >68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it >had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit >processor. As for myself (eveyrone has a different take on it, as there is no ISO standard for computer terminology), the assembler language was 32-bit, so I called the chip a 32-bit cpu. Ie, to the assembler programmer, the 68000 and 68020 are essentially the same (minus a few instructions and trap handling). Of course, this breaks down with the x86 series, since the chips run multiple modes. But these chips are very unique as well (what other cpu had 3 or more modes that it dealt with?). If restricting yourself to "primary" modes, the one most used, or intended to be most used, then you can still classify them this way (despite the fact that many people still used real-modes in 386 and higher chips). -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: sinclap2954@cobra.uni.edu (PETER SINCLAIR-DAY) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 97 19:16:28 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997Jan16.191628.1@cobra.uni.edu> References: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> In article <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no>, lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) writes: > So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? > Cheers... Spring time.. From Power, Apple, Motorola and Umax.. GREETINGS.. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Peter Sinclair-Day POWERMAC OF COURSE.... | | University of Northern Iowa | I I I Do you believe in Macintosh? Learn how to help the cause by subscribing I I to the "EvangeList" listserver! Send email to:<evangelist@macway.com> or I I go to: <http://www.solutions.apple.com/ListAdmin/>. I |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| "Rush Limbaugh is for people who aren't mature enough for Barney..." ....David E. Romm - Shockwave
From: "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 16 Jan 97 17:54:07 -0800 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58> References: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.concentric.net/comp.sys.mac.system >I have a Performa 6116 at home, should I throw it in the dumpster tonight and >then kill myself? It may not run Rhapsody, and life just has no >meaning for me anymore. Why, oh why did I buy a Nubus Powermac? * > >John > Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus PowerMacs. Perhaps you found a lesser need for a platform to run graphics-intensive applications as opposed to games, home use... You are right about trying to determine where the cut-off is for Rhapsody. Now lets get Apple to do the same. - Paul Prior to sending email, remove '.REMOVEthisToRespond' in the From field.
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hard drive swap Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:23:09 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <32DF1ACD.50F8@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: gpacho1 I have an 040 Cube with a really loud 660 mb hard drive, i also have a 1 gig scsi drive that i want to put in its place. how can i format the 1 gig drive and move everything over to it. thanks- -Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: iBCS or dosemu for NeXT? Message-ID: <E44oqt.JD4@gorilla.nbn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:13:41 GMT Do things such as iBCS or dos emulators exist for NeXT? On Intel, that is. Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:09:46 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au>, Graeme.Bentley@Fujitsu.com.au wrote: > Eric Doenges wrote: > <...snip...> > > In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a > > 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit > > seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. > > There's a 'blast from the past'. It was the DEC PDP-8/S (serial==slow). > It had a horrible addressing scheme. One could address relative > +/-128words, or absolute to either 'page 0' or current page (of > instruction), or indirect through a page 0/current pointer. > Then in addition one could switch 'fields' (banks). > The system I worked on started off with a (paper) tape system monitor > then we upgarded with a 32K word (direct addressable) disk. > -- What did you expect from a very inexpensive computer that was introduced in 1965? J.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OpenStep - OS or environment? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E44s5z.M8A@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:27:35 GMT References: <853364334.28236@dejanews.com> Organization: University of Waterloo I can't believe I'm jumping into this, but... In article <853364334.28236@dejanews.com>, <poundmacvits@hotmail.com> wrote: >The media has been making a number of confusing and contradictory claims >about what OpenStep is and I hope someone can settle a few things for me. OPENSTEP is a set of object kits that let you write applicaitons. There's the Application Kit (which has classes like NSWindow, NSButton, etc.), the Foundation Kit (NSString, NSDictionary, etc.) and some others that I've likely forgotten. It can be ported to any operating system that provides the necessary functionality, and thus we have OPENSTEP/Mach (the re-named NeXTSTEP, which is OPENSTEP on top of a Mach-based Unix system), OPENSTEP/NT, OPENSTEP/Solaris, and so on. >I also thought that >OpenStep Enterprise was an application development environment that let >developers create applications that would run on different operating >system systems, such as Solaris or WindowsNT, providing that they had the >OpenStep APIs. > OS/Enterprise is a package name for the NT version, yes. I think it includes the Enterprise Objects Framework as well (which allows you object-oriented access to relational databases and stuff like that). >However now I read reports (mostly from macuser) that suggest that >OpenStep is simply a layer that can be placed on different operating >systems, such as a WindowsNT system (kernal). They're right. >If this is true then its >not necessary to 'port' OpenStep to other CPU's, such as a pentium, >because it'll already run on the OS, eg, solaris. > Well, you have to "port" OPENSTEP to the host operating system. For example, NSWindow will have to encapsulate some kind of useful window object at the OS level. Right now that's provided by a DPS interpreter. Similarily, I believe there's an NSThread class which has to be implemented to wrap around Mach threads, Solaris threads, NT threads, or whatever. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:17:25 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680001601972317260001@news.asu.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net>, zxeses@stop.spams.dead.edu (Zxeses) wrote: >End of the year people, just tell Apple what you want and then wait it out, >don't KILL apple for something they havent don't yet! No shit! Although some say we have to jump on Apple's back now, to make sure they _do_ support NuBus PPCs, I think it's been taken too far, jumping to conclusions much like the article in the Chicago Tribune. And now there's danger of a vicious circle; people don't want to buy Macs because they think the company's going under, then the company does worse. People then say, "See, I told you." Most people are idiots. Yes, we need to give Apple constructive criticism, but we shouldn't kill it. Then we all lose. Also, we should keep in mind that NuBus PPCs will at least be supported for years to come with Sys7 upgrades. Besides, you should buy a computer for what it can do now, not what you hope it will do years down the road. Nothing is for certain in this industry, and this way you won't be disappointed. >A loyal mac addict, Apple lover, and all around resonable guy, who would >rather eat razors and lead paint then use Winsuck-Anything. If Apple stops >MAKING computers, I will stop USING computers. Amen. john In the year 2000... "David Copperfield will finally reveal how he does his tricks...He's Jesus!" - Andy Richter
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:17:31 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1701970117310001@happy.met.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> <jak-ya023680001601972317260001@news.asu.edu> In article <jak-ya023680001601972317260001@news.asu.edu>, jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) wrote: > Besides, you should buy a computer for > what it can do now, not what you hope it will do years down the road. > Nothing is for certain in this industry, and this way you won't be > disappointed. If people hadn't been looking to the future, Apple would have had a much harder time making the transition to the PPC. Perhaps the early adoptees of the PowerMac (myself included) were a little too trusting of Apple. You can be assured that if Apple doesn't support our machines, we won't make that mistake again. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: "Ala'a H. Jawad" <aljawad@kuwait.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:57:17 +0400 Organization: Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite Message-ID: <32DF30D9.4191@kuwait.net> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zxeses wrote: > A loyal mac addict, Apple lover, and all around resonable guy, who would > rather eat razors and lead paint then use Winsuck-Anything. If Apple stops > MAKING computers, I will stop USING computers. I fully share with your sentiments about Apple, I've been loyal to Apple since 1979. I've also used NeXTstep for a while, and I think _THE_ killer OS is finally gonna be introduced from the talents of these two companies. But back to the point at hand: I find it hard to believe that Apple still supports (OS wise) the Mac Plus some 11 years after its introduction, but will not support computers that the company shipped 3 years ago that utilize the same family of processors, but a different bus??? Lets say thats exactly what they are going to do: the original poster had a valid point, since in 1994 Apple was pitching its next wonderfull system -- then it was promised for 1995, but thats another story -- to those same customers who believed in the transition to the new PPC paradigm, and remember in those days many were warning about backward compatibility with 68k software - its only a memory now. I have in mind those who made a big investment in 1st generation PPC Macs, publishing companies -- Apples most venerable customers -- who usually upgrade their systems every 5 years or so, suddenly realizing they have to upgrade one year ahead of schedule in order to enjoy the transition to the new OS? I hope Apple does the wise thing and stick to its original promise of support for all true PPC units. -A l a ' a
From: jd-wong@uiuc.edu (Jim Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:29:50 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois Message-ID: <jd-wong-1701970129510001@shrike.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58> In article <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58>, "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> wrote: > >I have a Performa 6116 at home, should I throw it in the dumpster tonight > and > >then kill myself? It may not run Rhapsody, and life just has no > >meaning for me anymore. Why, oh why did I buy a Nubus Powermac? * > > > >John > > > Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus > PowerMacs. This doesn't make any sense. -- Jim Wong (jd-wong@uiuc.edu)
From: lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:24:22 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <lewisda-ya023580001701970024220001@news.dal.ca> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> <turnefh-ya02408000R1501971740550001@news.earthlink.net> <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> <howarth-ya02408000R1601971830410001@news.ececs.uc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) wrote: >Perhaps you don't really > mind having to reboot a machine daily or even hourly compared to having it run without > going down for months at a time. Well, the crashing is completely unacceptable as is the non-native OS. However, even if my Mac crashed once an hour (which is an *extreme* exaggeration) I would still be *far* more productive that I would be using any Mircosoft OS. I'm more than willing to continue using System 7 for this reason even if I cannot run Rhapsody right away. It's not perfect by any means, but it's **many** times better and more productive than the alternative in my opinion and for the work that I do. Rhapsody is still a year and a half away, so I figure that I will be close to wanting a new machine by then even if Rhapsody *does* run no my current machine. -- ________________ David Lewis lewisda@tuns.ca www.tuns.ca/~lewisda
From: severine@itis.com (S. Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Online NextStep Guide Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:22:51 -0600 Organization: Intranet Message-ID: <severine-1701970922510001@c6.itis.com> Hi, all. I've just become the proud new owner of a Turbo Color Slab, and I'm looking for _online_ users' guides/introductions/overviews that can help get me started. I'm not adverse to going and picking up a book, although the cheapest they seem to come is $30 and I'd like to get some docs that I can print out right away and use today. If you have any suggestions, please give me an email and/or post here. Thanks! -- severine@itis.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: MS NT printing to NextStep lpr Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:05:57 GMT Message-ID: <1997Jan17.150557.1293@cyantic.com> We have MS NT/OpenStep Clients and are not able to print reliably to a NeXT print server with NeXT Laser Printer. We can only print one page at a time usually and sometimes the jobs don't print at all. Most of the print jobs are coming from MS-Office. Has anyone gotten this to work? Please reply by email if possible. -- -- Mark T. Dornfeld, Cyantic Systems Corporation Voice: (416) 621-6166 1 Eva Road Suite 301 Facsimile: (416) 621-6212 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9C 4Z5 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 17 Jan 1997 15:49:56 GMT Organization: Puppy Dog Software Message-ID: <mmunz-1701970849200001@slc-dial-10.inconnect.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001972018070001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32D6F5D9.4497@ozemail.com.au> <rex-ya023080001101970013240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1301971300050001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971942180001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080001301971942180001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > Unfortunately if Apple's current plan goes through, Rhapsody's going to >represent a fairly small portion of the Mac market. > Actually, the PowerMac market has been growing at a pretty hefty pace - and I think it will be even larger once the CHRP (PPCP) & LERP clones come about (allowing for lower priced PowerMacs). You can't just look at the past and present - you have to try and gaze into the future as well. That's what Apple is doing. PPC's (Apple & clones) account for more than 25% of the Macs out there today. My guess is that by 1998, it could be closer to 50%. >) I think they should instead do a 68040 port. While I do think that would be nice - I doubt that it would be part of anything done in the first round, even if it were considered. Rhapsody for 68k would essentially replace MacOS 7 (and perhaps that's part of Apple's multi-year plan). Maybe Apple gets rid of MacOS 7 in 1999 by providing Rhapsody.. then again, in 1999 would it be worth it. >sure Rhapsody apps might only take a tenth of >the time to develop, but if there's only a twentieth or thirtieth of the >market running it, it's not exactly a worthwhile venture. That's almost exactly the thinking people had about PPC-native applications. Now look at how many applications are PPC-native and how many PPC Macs there are. It's important for Apple to encourage developers to have Rhapsody applications so that 68k Mac people will be inclined to buy new Rhapsody-capable machines (PPC's). I know if someone told me I could run XYZ software at 5-10 times the speed for $2000, I'd definitely be interested. That's already possible with PPC-native applications on today's PowerMacs (over the 68k machines) - but even today's system isn't hitting its true potential. Apple and its customers need to look into the future, not the past. Just my two cents.. Mark Munz
From: sugee@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cost of a NeXT Web Site? Date: 17 Jan 1997 16:29:41 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5bo9dl$4dn@news.asu.edu> References: <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu> <5bo2s9$d3q@client3.news.psi.net> Hello Tim, Thank you for your reply. Please forgive me if my post was not clear enough. But, what I am very curious to find out, although I recognize that this is something which people may not be so willing to provide, is learning what NeXT and other developers are charging for these web sites and how much time they are taking to develop and what are exact or rough hourly charges. In other words, I would appreciate learning more about what the exact or estimated breakdown and total cost to the customer for something like this? Come to think of it, and something that another poster, a Scott A., was kind enough to offer, learning about what the development time of these sites would be great too along with this other information? This way, it can be compared to how much time and effort it would take using other tools on the market to try and accomplish the same or close to the same thing. I hope that this clarifies what I am asking. Cheer for the New Year! Sue Tim Triemstra (TimT@asiatlanta.com) wrote: : In article <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu>, sugee@imap2.asu.edu wrote: : > : >I doubt that many advocates and customers like Chylser, CyberSlice, : >Nissan, and etc. as the list goes on, will argue about the merits of : >using NeXT's Web technologies for deploying their Web sites. We have all : >heard plenty and are proud of what is being accomplished. : > : >However, what I haven't heard anything about, something which curiously : >dawned on me recently and after reviewing what some of these folks are : >doing, is the cost of implementing and deploying these Web Sites. Can : >anybody provide approximate costs or actual figures of sites like these? : >I do respect people's anonymity. : Sue, I think you would have to be looking at a developers' license (enterprise : as they are calling it now) for $5000 and the WebObjects product which will : run you around $25,000 from my memories :) I am not sure exactly what this : gets you because there are issues of linking to databases etc that could : require extra costs but I think that $30,000 will pretty much cover your : up-front costs. : Tim Triemstra ....... TimT@ASIAtlanta.com : Alpha Star International, Atlanta GA USA
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: cmsg cancel <5bodp4$kft@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <5bodp4$kft@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> Date: 17 Jan 1997 18:03:44 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5boeu0$kft@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> cancel
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 9 Jan 1997 15:58:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFAC944-59E39@198.68.42.195> References: <maury-0901971616470001@199.166.204.230> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's not the issue, the idea of using a specific API that the >_developer_ must use in order to get MP features is a bad bad thing. The >fact that time from one of the CPU's is used to control this is even >worse, considering it's the "master" CPU and is subject to 100% outages >from I/O and other tasks (heck, hold down the mouse on a menu and then >tell me how good the API is). Movie-player continues to play at least MIDI movies without pause when I hold down the mouse on a menu. I don't know how it works with video since I lost my internal drive a few days ago with all my regular neat stuff on it. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:52:47 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1701970952480001@dopey.met.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> In article <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net>, zxeses@zapcom.stop.spam.net (Zxeses) wrote: > So his point, that most Mac users stay with Mac's, is true still. I will > always use a Mac, even if the company goes under, when I can't use my Mac > any more, I will toss it out and never use a computer again.. God, what a moron. I hope your work doesn't rely on computers - I'd hate to have to support you through welfare. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cost of a NeXT Web Site? Date: 17 Jan 1997 17:37:19 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5bodcf$kft@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu> <5bo2s9$d3q@client3.news.psi.net> <5bo9dl$4dn@news.asu.edu> sugee@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Thank you for your reply. Please forgive me if my post was not > clear enough. But, what I am very curious to find out, although I > recognize that this is something which people may not be so willing > to provide, is learning what NeXT and other developers are charging for > these web sites and how much time they are taking to develop and what > are exact or rough hourly charges. In other words, I would appreciate > learning more about what the exact or estimated breakdown and total cost to > the customer for something like this? Besides offering the Web technology (WebObjects), NeXT has offered Web consultants as well who can do as much as a customer prefers with the construction of a Web site (mentoring of customer's programmers all the way to providing a turn-key Web site). I don't know how the Apple acquisition has (will) affect this, but a call to NeXT would probably yield some useful information. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 17 Jan 1997 17:55:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5boeer$kft@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001972018070001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32D6F5D9.4497@ozemail.com.au> <rex-ya023080001101970013240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1301971300050001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971942180001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <mmunz-1701970849200001@slc-dial-10.inconnect.com> mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) wrote: > >) I think they should instead do a 68040 port. > > While I do think that would be nice - I doubt that it would be part of > anything done in the first round, even if it were considered. Rhapsody for > 68k would essentially replace MacOS 7 (and perhaps that's part of Apple's > multi-year plan). Maybe Apple gets rid of MacOS 7 in 1999 by providing > Rhapsody.. then again, in 1999 would it be worth it. I don't know how many m68k Mac users would be happy running Rhapsody on their hardware. Running OPENSTEP/Mach on NeXT's 25 Mhz. workstation architecture (i.e., high-bandwidth, lots of DMA channels, etc.) is not a snappy experience :-) After Rhapsody is enhanced with Apple technology, the experience would be even less snappy. Mac users need to understand that Rhapsody will be a big, resource-hungry operating system just like other operating systems of similar capabilities. So the ideal of an m68k version of Rhapsody may be more appealing to consider than to actually use. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: Eirik Mangseth <emangset@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:50:30 +0100 Organization: United Consultants A/S Message-ID: <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: > > In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: > >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > > > >>Robert Iacullo writes: > >>: jmiller wrote: > >>: > > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > > > >> Where can I buy one? > >> Cheers.. > > > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: > >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand > >megahertz or a gigahertz." > >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > > > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > >mainframe/any cpu? > > > > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. > > It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super computers are > not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. They are about > multitentacled, multprocessor monsters with lotsa processors running in > parallel, talking to each other through buses that zip gigabytes per sec. > > Rgds, > > Chris > > Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- > Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, > One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." > President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." > *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions. Not only that, they've got an I/O subsystem that runs in circles around any so-called server based on e.g. x86. Eirik
From: glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Installing NeXTstep 3.3 Intel Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:32:15 -0800 Organization: Europa Communications Inc. [Portland, OR] Message-ID: <glenn-ya02408000R1701971032150001@news.europa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, I recently aquired a copy of NeXTOS 3.3 for NeXT and Intel machines. The set includes a boot disk and CD. The boot disk appears to be for NeXT hardware only, and the CD does not seem to be in any common format (like ISO 9660) that allows it to be mounted on a PC. Is there some trick I'm missing to install, or do I need an Intel boot disk. And if so, where can I get one. -Thanks ---- Tod L. Glenn Internet Services Administrator Now Software ITG webmaster@nowsoft.com ---- http://www.nowsoft.com ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com listserv@nowsoft.com
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:04:26 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1701971104260001@dopey.met.utah.edu> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> In article <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl>, tom@icgned.nl (Tom Hageman) wrote: > "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.net> wrote: > >We Nubus PowerMac Apple loyalists from the 128 days shall not be neglected, > >ignored or passed over by Apple today. We are forming a class action that > >you too can recoup your losses from Apple's breaches of contract. > > That's the true American spirit! (litigate! litigate! litigate!) Yeah, yeah, yeah!!! Sue, sue, sue!!! Gimme, gimme, gimme!!! NOW! whoo, sorry about that, you got me going there. . . > Seriously, isn't this a bit premature? Apple said that Rhapsody would > support all current hardware. Apple said it would support currently _shipping_ hardware. My 7100 is currently hardware, though it's not shipping. The idea behind all the noise is to get Apple to decide for NuBus support, before they decide against it. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:18:04 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One >> calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as >> an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual >> was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, >> the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count >> game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a >> 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and >> used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked >> here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor >> radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL >> in the marketing.... > > Bogus. Hey, I didn't write the manuals. If you think it's bogus, talk to MOT! The fact is, the timing of the manuals was just as I described. Looks like a clear attempt at impressing newbies. Unfortunately, for MOT, newbies and end users rarely order instruction set manuals. However, the point wasn't entirely lost as Apple had good time with it. > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a >processor. > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > You attribute malice or deception to simple confusion in literature and >terminology. The fact remains that flat 32-bit code could be and was >written on the 68000 from the very beginning, lots of it, this was and is a >benefit to its users. > This is an example what maketing does best. There was no confusion in the literature. MOT knew exactly what they were doing. I don't think malice or deception fits here. The programmers know what's going on and that's what counts. I'm surprised someone didn't add up all register bits and go with that figure. > If you don't believe me, why not pop over to comp.arch and ask some >folks around there whether they think the 68K family qualifies as a 32-bit >processor design, or if Moto tried to deceive anyone by promoting it as >such. > I don't give a hoot what comp.arch thinks about the 68K. I was pointing out what MOT, the manufacturer, said about.
From: indy@beckman.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 18 Jan 1997 00:42:45 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> ChristianSchildwaechter wrote: : In Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) comp.sys.next.misc <ArticleDisplayer: 0x1644c8> writes, : Seems to make some sense this way. You wouldn't use Nextstep for 3D development, there is near to no software, you wouldn't wish to develop under Irix either. Actually, NEXTSTEP is pretty darned good for 3D development, at least for non-realtime work. The company just upgraded my workstation to a P6 with 64MB of RAM and a beefy graphics card; solidThinking's QuickRenderMan displays are now as nimble as Alias PowerAnimator 7.0 on an Indigo^2 Extreme. I routinely create animations as good or better than what I made at the Beckman VizLab. -- Steve Weintz * indy@is.com * http://www.is.com/Users/indy Graphic Designer * Integrity Solutions, Inc. * NeXTMail, MIME mail OK "And you two?" "We stampeded cattle." "That's not very criminal." "Through the Vatican?" "Kink-y..." -- Blazing Saddles
From: John Schultz <jschultz@netten.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:49:55 -0600 Organization: T-Net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32E01E31.2CD4@netten.net> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> <slrn5dvkfg.r74.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a >> 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit >> seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. I am trying to recall one of the replies to this piece. For some reason my ISP isn't getting everything here. While at work I see it all but my system isn't configured to reply. Yes DEC's PDP-8S was a "cheap" version of the PDP-8 that ran a 1-bit ALU through the 12 bits of data. I do not have any info on its speed. Since the PDP-8's speed was set by the core memory, the PDP-8S probably could process several bits in the 1.5 micro-second memory cycle. So I would expect that the PDP-8S was no 12 times slower. One point that might lead to a wrong conclusion was that the addressing was not relative as we now consider it. Direct addressing was limited to the 128 words of page 0 and the 128 words in the page where the PC was pointing. There were any number of times that the assembler complained because a I/O test loop TSF JMP .-1 crossed a page boundry!
From: froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:24:48 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> NNTP-Posting-User: b7fe697fc47f6ef7093c87732e2a5b740 jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >That article was promising and encouraging... >If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to >start taking it seriously again ;) There seems to be a uniform optimism about this project. I hate to make anyone disappointed, but I have a hunch they are going to f... mess it all up. We do not know that what is going to be produced is a Next that can, eventually, run old Mac binaries, do we? By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price effects on the NextStep os right now, no?
From: TheCopyCatShop@NA.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5bp5g1$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <5bp5g1$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:30:37 +1 Organization: The Copy Cat Shop Message-ID: <cancel.5bp5g1$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <5bp5g1$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "TheCopyCatShop" or "summary of auto-cancels" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: CD Recordable Media.
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Online NextStep Guide Date: 18 Jan 1997 02:59:24 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5bpeac$944@news.platinum.com> References: <severine-1701970922510001@c6.itis.com> Cc: severine@itis.com In <severine-1701970922510001@c6.itis.com> S. Roberts wrote: > Hi, all. > > I've just become the proud new owner of a Turbo Color Slab, and I'm > looking for _online_ users' guides/introductions/overviews that can help > get me started. > > I'm not adverse to going and picking up a book, although the cheapest > they seem to come is $30 and I'd like to get some docs that I can print > out right away and use today. > > If you have any suggestions, please give me an email and/or post here. > > Thanks! All the NeXT documentation (i think) is now on-line at: http://www.next.com The main archive of cool shareware/freeware/gplware/demoware is: http://www.peak.org/ftp/pub/next/nextstep.html Other useful stuff: http://www3.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/index.html http://www.misckit.com/ -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| "The meek shall longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= inherit nothin'." (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U - Frank Zappa
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 17 Jan 1997 19:24:37 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5dvkfg.r74.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> >> In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a >> 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit >> seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. Burroughs had a variable-bit computer. Word size was not fixed, at least not in the instruction stream. It was stack-based, so you couldn't classify it based on register size. Don't know details about it, it may have had an upper limit based on the ALU though. -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 18 Jan 1997 03:13:41 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5bpf55$944@news.platinum.com> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1501972325330001@news.ececs.uc.edu> Hi folks, This thread continues to rage on. Meanwhile, in another thread, I found: rhapsody-dev-feedback@apple.com leadership@apple.com http://www.apple.com/main/contact.html I suggest that each of you with one or more NuBus PowerMac(s) compose a short email, with the subject, "Please include NuBus support in GA Rhapsody" and send it to the two relevant addresses listed. It will do much more for your cause than endless speculation here. Be polite, and include the following information: 1.) I own XXX NuBus PowerMacs. 2.) I would be willing to upgrade RAM and DISK if needed to run a modern 32-bit OS on my NuBus PowerMac. 3.) I would be willing to pay $XXX.YY for the OS upgrade for Rhapsody to run on my NuBus PowerMac. 4.) Please commit to this publicly as soon as you are able, since I'm going insane with fear. Please note that I, myself, do not own such a machine, and will encourage Apple to do this anyway, while honestly admitting that I don't own a NuBus PowerMac. I just think that if it's possible (which it should be) then it's really The Right Thing (tm). I own a NeXTstation Turbo (mono) and I believe that Rhapsody will probably run on that machine, too, since it essentially already does. ;-) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| "The meek shall longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= inherit nothin'." (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U - Frank Zappa
From: cjones@wellesley.edu (Carl Jones) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Linux and NEXTSTEP on the same HD? Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:56:40 Organization: Wellesley College Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b6duo$qp9@cokie.wellesley.edu> Hi, I'd like to install Linux on an unused partition of my PC running NEXTSTEP 3.3. Is there any problem with doing this? Will the NEXTSTEP boot program allow me to start Linux (or will Lilo allow me to boot NEXTSTEP)? Carl -- cjones@wellesley.edu (NeXTMail/MIME OK)
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .places .dir and .opendir files Date: 10 Jan 1997 02:52:15 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5b4asv$ebp@news.xmission.com> References: <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> william@mathworks.com (William York) wrote: > What are these files for: > > .dir.tiff The icon to display for a directory instead of the standard folder. > .dir3_0.wmd Stores the shape and size of the browser that will be used when you do a sommand-O (from WorkSpace) on the directory. > .opendir.tiff The icon to display for a directory when you drag a file over it instead of the standard opened folder. > .places3_0.wmd Stores the locations of the icons in the Icon View for a particular directory. > I've seen them in a few packages from ftp sites... Hope that helps. All the files are used by WorkSpace to do its GUI magic. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: colin@rice.edu (Colin Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ! Help ! w/ my NeXT Station Date: 18 Jan 1997 07:13:45 GMT Organization: Valley Tech Corporation Customer Message-ID: <colin-1701972356390001@anderson.vt.com> Hi, I recently purchased a NeXT Station to make a plunge into NeXT/UNIX. Well, I'm not sure what I did, but I get a "Loading from network" message upon power up. What in the world did I do? BTW: How in the heck can all the data and power travel to the megapixel grayscale monitor in that single cable ?? Wanting to get into NeXT (and maybe, sometime, NeXT for INTEL) Colin Anderson colin@rice.edu
From: R.J.Patel@massey.ac.nz (Raj Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:18:01 +1300 Organization: Massey University College Of Education Distribution: world Message-ID: <R.J.Patel-ya023480001001971018010001@news.massey.ac.nz> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's > missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file > without opening an application that knows how to print it. As a Mac user I'm fairly certain that when you drop a file onto a desktop printer it actually starts the app and prints from there. The same thing happens when you select a file in the finder and use print from the file menu. The neat thing about desktop printing is that once the job is queued-up you can do different things to it. eg hold the queue (useful for printing away from the office on laptops), move jobs from one desktop printer to another etc. > If the Mac's > desktop printer supports dragging a file icon and dropping it on the desktop > printer icon to print the file, that seems like a nice design. Apparently the kludge involved to get desktop printing to work is pretty awesome :-) I guess if they include it from scratch things will be better. Raj.
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Desktop Printer (was: Finder vs File Viewer) Date: 10 Jan 1997 03:27:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b4cut$9u8@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <5arh2r$2no@nyheter.chalmers.se> <5b0kjs$89r@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <5b2mvg$7qs@white.koehntopp.de> KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: > aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > > Maybe this is a situation where the Mac has a better idea. What's > >missing from the OPENSTEP printing architecture is the ability print a file > >without opening an application that knows how to print it. > Erm, may I ask how should such a thing be done? I mean, how > should the printing subsystem transform for example a stream of > saved objects of unknown origin into a sheet of paper? You will > need at least a substantial part of the application that > created such a document to have this objects reactivate > themselves and make themselves print. Sure, but it would be nice not to have to launch the app itself either by double-clicking the icon representing the file to be printed or the app itself which usually will needlessly display the file when all I want to do is print. > You may use a printers icon as a short cut to start such this > application and invoke its print command, but that should be > all. Yeah, that's all I meant. Drag-and-drop the file icon onto a printer icon, Workspace Manager opens the app that knows how to print this file and opens its Print panel with any Print panel accessory view that might be supplied by the app, and the usual Print panel procedure is then completed by the user at which point the app that printed the file quits. D.O. could be used to do much of this. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:57:13 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: > > >> This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One > >> calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as > >> an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual > >> was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, > >> the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count > >> game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a > >> 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and > >> used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked > >> here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor > >> radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL > >> in the marketing.... > > > > Bogus. > > Hey, I didn't write the manuals. If you think it's bogus, talk to MOT! > The fact is, the timing of the manuals was just as I described. Looks > like a clear attempt at impressing newbies. Unfortunately, for MOT, > newbies and end users rarely order instruction set manuals. However, > the point wasn't entirely lost as Apple had good time with it. Lance, I'm a programmer, and from a programmer point of view it was possible to write 32-bit code without contortions on 68K from its inception (and have that code continue to run without modification on later models with larger physical address spaces). This did not become true on x86 until two unique memory models and some years later (80386). > > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers > >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and > >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium > >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted > >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a > >processor. > > > > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by > computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you > mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. So was it accepted in 1982 or not? Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: Eren_Kotan@next.com (Eren Kotan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTtime movie demos Bogus, according to Apple Engineers (Was Re: Date: 10 Jan 1997 22:20:22 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5b6fb6$gst@news.next.com> References: <AEF7D85E-6BA03@198.68.42.135> In a previous post, I have said something like: > On my system I can play 9 Quicktime videos at the same time... Well, I've had many requests to provide screenshots of this, mostly from sceptical Mac users, but since I haven't organized my life enough yet to bring my web pages back up, I am instead willing to email these screenshots to interested parties. There are two screenshots (named qtime1 and qtime2), the second one taken roughly about two minutes after the first. You can verify this by looking at the icon for Preferences.app which shows the current time. This is the second icon from the top on my dock, right underneath the NeXT icon, on the right hand side of the pictures. These screenshots are both available in TIFF and JPEG formats (TIFF is far better in quality, but you might have problems viewing them on a non-NeXT system if your viewer does not understand NeXT TIFFs). You can see I was not cheating (as if!) because I was using NEXTIME under OPENSTEP/Mach for Intel 4.1 which shows a little play icon when the clip is stopped and a little pause icon when the clip is playing. In my screenshots, all 9 of the video clips have pause icons :) I can email these as MIME/NeXTmail or uuencoded ASCII, so please indicate which file format/transmission method you prefer. Please email me at Eren_Kotan@next.com to request them. I'll compress them as tar.gz to reduce file sizes. As I say, I don't want to get involved in the argument over whether this is a meaningful benchmark or not, but I personally thought it *was* rather impressive: - All the videos had sound and I could click on any window to hear its soundtrack (in sync with whatever the video was showing at the time), - Two of the movie windows were set to display at double the normal size, - There were several apps in the background running, - I was still able to type in some text in a Mail window (no loss of responsiveness) - All of this only ate less than 25% CPU time as you can see in the second screenshot from the output of ps -aux. The only reason why I stated 9 as my upper limit of videos is because I only have 9 Quicktime clips on my hard disk, and also there wouldn't be any more screen real estate to display more movie windows on my lowly 1024x768 screen :) Regards, Eren -- Eren Kotan - NeXT Software (UK) Limited oh, one moment, it's Apple now The best friend money can buy ObjectLine Support E-mail: Eren_Kotan@next.com - WWW: http://www.next.com/
From: Eric Smalling <Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:21:53 -0600 Organization: SABRE Decision Technologies http://www.amrcorp.com Message-ID: <32D6B2F1.53E6@amrcorp.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mats Forssblad wrote: > By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their > web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. > So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right > now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not > commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get > integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, > actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going > to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price > effects on the NextStep os right now, no? hehe - That's probably just to use the thing too! Developer (non-academic) packages are much more. I've been trying to convince my managers to look at OpenStep for NT here for months, but look at the price of the "Starter Pack" _special offer_ at this url: http://www.next.com:80/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_NT/OSE_Starter.htmld/ Yup, thats right FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for _ONE_ developer (on the Enterprise Platform) !!! (and 3 Deployment Packs whatever they are) I sincerly hope Apple helps bring that price down _significantly_. I'm going to a NeXT Seminar next week to see OpenStep Enterprise and WebObjects Enterprise, I'm hoping they will affirm this! es PS: For a full price list see: http://www.optimal-object.com/Software/prices.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Eric A. Smalling SABRE Decision Technologies - Ft Worth, Texas USA --=== ------=== The Any views expressed are mine alone and are in no ----------- SABRE way the views of AMR or any of it's subsidiaries. ------=== Group --=== email:Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com Corp Web Site: http://www.amrcorp.com/sabr_grp/sdt/sdt.htm ____________________________________________________________________
From: djembe@sprynet.REMOVE_TO_REPLY.com (Mike Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:39:36 -0700 Organization: ISIS International Message-ID: <AF0515789668276DEE@0.0.0.0> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> <jak-ya023680001601972317260001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jak-ya023680001601972317260001@news.asu.edu>, jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) wrote: | No shit! Although some say we have to jump on Apple's back now, to make | sure they _do_ support NuBus PPCs, I think it's been taken too far, | jumping to conclusions much like the article in the Chicago Tribune. And | now there's danger of a vicious circle; people don't want to buy Macs | because they think the company's going under, then the company does worse. | People then say, "See, I told you." Most people are idiots. Yes, we need to | give Apple constructive criticism, but we shouldn't kill it. Then we all | lose. NuBus powermacs are an ugly kludge. The I/O interface is based on 68K emulated drivers, which are a major pain to support and slow down the system. PCI systems use native drivers which are much cleaner & easier to support. I wouldn't blame Apple if they don't support NuBus powermacs (even though I'm still using a 6100 until I can get something better). ### Mike Cohen - djembe(at)sprynet(dot)com - http://pobox.com/~djembe ### ISIS International - http://www.isis-intl.com/ - mike(at)isis-intl.com ### Have a clear mind, be pure in your heart - Youssou N'dour, "Set" ### RETURN ADDRESS HAS BEEN ALTERED TO FOIL SPAMMERS
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:27:58 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972228120001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <ldo-2812961319230001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5hmm$94p@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3112960318390001@news.erols.com> <5abhd5$t8s@news3.digex.net> <rzeman-3112961927480001@rzeman.his.com> <kindall-0101971353110001@ppp.manual.com> <ldo-0301971942460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <slrn5cq9a1.i4d.pfd@zip1.ziplink.net> <ldo-0801972122420001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b040l$2em@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: >It's so obvious: >If you view a PostScript file on a GX based machine you need to convert from >the PS display model to the GX display model. That takes time. It would be >(theoretically) just as slow to view a GX file on a DPS based machine. This is a load of crap, you clearly know squat about GX. The PS display model used in Acrobat makes calls to QuickDraw, not QuickDraw GX. Whether or not I use GX, Acrobat displays at the same slow speed. It has NOTHING to do with GX. Would Acrobat work better on DPS? I have no doubt. If Acrobat was re-written to take full advantage of GX would it work better. I have bo doubt it would work better than a DPS version. >Besides, the discussion is moot since Apple has already decided to use DPS >and add GX compatibility. Errors in your facts are never moot at any time. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:36:42 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972236560001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <5apl3e$i15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu> In article <5b0hh2$19n@news1.ucsd.edu>, mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) wrote: >And the NeXT engineers will go nuts screaming: > > "You idiots, do you know just how LONG it took to get OpenStep to work > nicely with DPS? Do you REALLY want to break the ONLY native apps > for your new operating system?? I thought you bought us because you > wanted something which WORKED." Well let them scream because there are no native apps for the new operating system in existance. Are you talking about current OpenStep applications? There is no indication those will work on the hybrid operating system. You like System 7, you can run System 7 on your machine - or run apps in the blue box on Rhapsody. You like OpenStep, you can keep OpenStep on your machine. Rhapsody is the new Mac OS - it is not OpenStep. >Kernel updates are necessary only so far as they provide good performance and >high speed support for new hardware. I bet the first kernel will be >Mach because it works. In the future, probably a newer kernel. Depends on how difficult it is to get NuKernel to run with OpenStep instead of Mach. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: remedies@rapidremedies.com (Chris Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:43:22 GMT Organization: Rapid Remedies Message-ID: <remedies-0901972243360001@den-co31-23.ix.netcom.com> References: <jinx6568-0501971252460001@news.sover.net> <AEF57109-1DD53@198.68.42.187> <jcr.852517036@idiom.com> <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de> In article <5b2mdl$30m@www.langen.bull.de>, vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: >In <simpson-ya023680000801971813550001@xavier.noc.drexel.edu> Homer Simpson >wrote: >[...] >> Please define rendering a window. If the window contains 1000 or 2000 >> separate objects (like a cad document with layers) along with diferent >> colors, shapes, sizes and tranparency modes. If you loop 5 times to >> completely redraw all of the objects in the window which would be faster >> DPS or GX provide both had equivalent hardware? > >DPS. > >BTW, does GX really have to loop through all the objects five times to make >sure everything is drawed? =8-[=] See, if YOU don't know the answer to this question, you CLEARLY have no basis for answering the original poster's question. DO YOU program in both DPS and GX to know the difference? Qualify your answer - or it's about as good as telling us how nice the rains on Titan are this time of year. Chris Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- R a p i d R e m e d i e s remedies@rapidremedies.com Troubleshooting & Upgrades for Macs 303.449.5159 fax 303.938.9563 -------------------------------------------------- Member of the Apple Solution Professionals Network
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: 18 Jan 1997 04:18:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5bpitp$237@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> <32DF30D9.4191@kuwait.net> "Ala'a H. Jawad" <aljawad@kuwait.net> wrote: > But back to the point at hand: I find it hard to believe that > Apple still supports (OS wise) the Mac Plus some 11 years after > its introduction, but will not support computers that the company > shipped 3 years ago that utilize the same family of processors, > but a different bus??? I believe it's true that system 7.6 will not run on a Mac Plus, or any other 68000 or 68020-based systems. I don't remember if it includes support for 68030-based systems. > Let's say thats exactly what they are going to do: Let us say it isn't. Apple has not been good at delivering on promises for hardware upgrade paths, but it has done fairly well at supporting things in software. It would not surprise me if Rhapsody is never ported to 68K machines, but I don't think the bus will be a big stopping point. It's just that the initial release (this year's developer version) may not include support for them. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: brubeck@wport.com (Matt Brubeck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:11:41 -0800 Organization: Zip News Message-ID: <brubeck-ya02408000R1701972211410001@snews.zippo.com> References: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58>, "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> wrote: >Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus >PowerMacs. What exactly do you mean by this? I'm fairly certain there isn't any major difference in bus, motherboard, RAM paging... between the 61xx performas and their x100 cousins. ,--------------.-------------------. | Matt Brubeck I brubeck@wport.com | `--------------^-------------------'
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 04:17:20 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R1801970417200001@news.erols.com> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> <siamak-ya02408000R1701970314590001@netnews2.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <siamak-ya02408000R1701970314590001@netnews2.worldnet.att.net>, siamak@worldnet.att.net (Siamak Ansari) wrote: >In article <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net>, >zxeses@stop.spams.dead.edu (Zxeses) wrote: > >> A loyal mac addict, Apple lover, and all around resonable guy, who would >> rather eat razors and lead paint then use Winsuck-Anything. If Apple stops >> MAKING computers, I will stop USING computers. >> > >Ah, the follies of slavish loyalty. > And the intelligence to not use Win-anything. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: atheurer@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Matthew Theurer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 18 Jan 1997 01:01:12 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <5bpsfo$ip0@jeckle.cs.utexas.edu> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Ident-User: atheurer In article <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Steve Weintz <indy@beckman.uiuc.edu> wrote: >Actually, NEXTSTEP is pretty darned good for 3D development, at least for >non-realtime work. The company just upgraded my workstation to a P6 with 64MB >of RAM and a beefy graphics card; solidThinking's QuickRenderMan displays are >now as nimble as Alias PowerAnimator 7.0 on an Indigo^2 Extreme. I routinely Non-hardware accellerated 3D faster than I2's openGL? Sounds fishy. I guess comparing two different software packages isn't really a good comparison. If you're talking stricly non-realtime rendering, I believe you. "quick" rendering, no way. What king of API comes with Openstep 4.1 for Mach? QuickRenderMan? How does the API compare to others? Andrew Theurer.
From: pjb@imaginet.fr (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .places .dir and .opendir files Date: 11 Jan 1997 00:20:41 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <5b6mcp$bms@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> In article <5b38pl$o9e@madmax.mathworks.com> william@mathworks.com (William York) writes: > > What are these files for: > > .dir.tiff Picture of the directory. > .dir3_o.wmd Some other Workspace Manager data about the directory (position of the directory window, its configuration, etc). > .opendir.tiff Picture of the open directory (when you're dragging an icon to it). > .places3_0.wmd Where the places (position) of the icons are stored. > > I've seen them in a few packages from ftp sites... > > -- > William York > william@mathworks.com These files are only used by the Workspace Manager. __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Date: 16 Jan 1997 20:27:27 GMT Organization: meow!!! (private site) Message-ID: <5bm2vf$119@zoodle.robin.de> References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> <E3yJBn.BCI@novice.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <E3yJBn.BCI@novice.uwaterloo.ca> In article <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu>, > Yep, it's a sad world. Maybe we should stay away from this Apple > thing, now that we're suddenly popular, and try to push for a GnuBe > port or something. Actually, that name is kind of cute, huh? And it reminds me of "Cube" ;-) Bye, Uli
From: brubeck@wport.com (Matt Brubeck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:05:35 -0800 Organization: Zip News Message-ID: <brubeck-ya02408000R1701972205350001@snews.zippo.com> References: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58>, "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> wrote: >Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus >PowerMacs. "16 bit processing?" What are you talking about? Would you care to elaborate, because I'm fairly certain that, whatever you are trying to say by this, it's not correct... ,--------------.-------------------. | Matt Brubeck I brubeck@wport.com | `--------------^-------------------'
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@steeldriving.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:49:10 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D70DB6.2D75@steeldriving.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> <32D6B2F1.53E6@amrcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Smalling wrote: > Yup, thats right FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for _ONE_ developer (on the > Enterprise Platform) !!! (and 3 Deployment Packs whatever they are) The Deployment Pack must be the OpenStep runtime (name daemon, window server, pasteboard server, etc.) that has to be installed on systems that are going to be running OpenStep NT applications. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701102227.RAA01408@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 17:27:47 -0500 Subject: THIS IS NOT AN ADVOCACY GROUP, THIS IS NOT A GROUP ABOUT GX Cc: english@primenet.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Not that anyone seems to give a &*%! anymore, but I thought I'd remind people what this group used to be about, what it was designed for: comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html Kindly move all this tripe out of the comp.sys.next.misc group. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat For info on my email auto-responder and searching the PEAK FTP site via email, send me an email with the SUBJECT "send-help" (without the " marks, of course ;-) ^^^^^^^
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:00:11 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1801971100110001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58> <brubeck-ya02408000R1701972211410001@snews.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <brubeck-ya02408000R1701972211410001@snews.zippo.com>, brubeck@wport.com (Matt Brubeck) wrote: >In article <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58>, "J. Paul Lindblad" ><searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> wrote: > >>Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus >>PowerMacs. > >What exactly do you mean by this? I'm fairly certain there isn't any major >difference in bus, motherboard, RAM paging... between the 61xx performas >and their x100 cousins. > > ,--------------.-------------------. > | Matt Brubeck I brubeck@wport.com | > `--------------^-------------------' I believe in some of the earlier Powermac Performas there was the difference that the databus to the memory was only 32-bit rather than 64-bit wide. This accounts for the apparent faster response of say a 8100/80 compared to a 6300/100. You can also tell this is the case by the fact that the 6100/7100/8100 motherboards required memory to be added in pairs of SIMMs (i.e. 2x32-bit address lines) whereas the Performas would take single SIMMS. This may not be true on the top-of-line new Performas like the 6400. Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
From: martin@datamodl.demon.co.uk (Martin Hargreaves) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:39:06 GMT Organization: Datamodel Ltd Message-ID: <853605586.12929.1@datamodl.demon.co.uk> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <55pvzjh8t8.fsf@pbunyk.physics.sunysb.edu> paul@pbunyk.physics.sunysb.edu (Paul Bunyk) wrote: > >Actually... there was an ancient way to break a *given* mail programm >on a system you know too well: Theoretically if the mail program do >not allocate enough space for Subject: line, for example, and you feed it >a cerefully choosen long subject line, it can write itslef over some internal >structures of the program and mabe even cause some code to be executed. >Of course the mail program should be buggy (but sendmail *was* buggy, moreover, >it *is* buggy still) but I doubt that there still are people who can craft See recent issues of Phrack for "Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit". Any fool can do it now. Most recent in this vein was using a long gecos field a while ago. >that ;-) As far as I remember Morrison's famous Internet worm exploited >something like this in Sun's sendmail... Morris's worm used the now very elderly DEBUG hole. >But you should not worry, Windows'95's mail can not have this bug! ><kidding!> See the NT security mailing list for recently posted buffer overrung exploits embedded in mail designed for Windows NT and 95. ;-) Security - it worse than you think... M.
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From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sat, 11 Jan 97 01:04:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> In article <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84>, "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: >> >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more >complex >> >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the >> >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched >> >to seperate execution units. > >Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> >> Risc need bigger cache, faster instruction fecth to execute the >same >> logic. > >Code creep on RISC seems to be about 10-20% in most cases... however >CISC machines (like the P6) also demand aligned instructions and data >to get their best performance - which translates to code (data) creep. >I am not sure which is worse at this point. > How often do you allign instructions... and isn;t this an effect of the cache? >Instructions do not need to be faster - that is a seperate issue all >together. In many cases the opposite is proving to be true - with RISC >machines (604e) beating the CISC-RISC hybrids (like PPro) eventhough >the later has a larger and faster cache and a lot more circuitry. So >you seem to be wrong in practice. > Its because the x86 is terrible in design... and in turn the code is not smaller then risc code, but suffer all the cisc disadventages. x86 is not cisc , P6 is not risc. x86 are just crap design. Dont label P6 code CISC and then prove a point that way... The general idea is that cisc can code more computation per byte, please look at a 680x0 for a better example. ). I'm not saying a 68000 is faster then a 500mhz PPC, just that byte for byte a 68000 acheive more, and in turn require less bandwidth and less instruction cache size. >> >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added >> >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There >> >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) >> >> And need more bandwidth and faster/bigger cache. > >BOTH need that - and PPro needs much more and faster than PPC to get >the same results - so it seems you have this backwards. > Both, but not at the same rate.... Dont equal the X86 ppro implementation to CISC. >> Having fixed size >> instruction is great, but this do not stop you from having more >complex >> instruction doing more per instruction. > >Sure you could do more per instruction on CISC - but each instruction >was slower and could stall the pipe - resulting in MUCH slowing >performance than just doing it the RISC way. So you save 10% in memory >- and lose 40% in die size to support CISC, and lose 40% in >performance - not a good tradeoff if you ask me. > I dont beleive those number are acurate... >> >Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What >> >does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a >> >simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then >executed. >> >> Thats the amazing part too me... that this actually work :) >> It execute 3 variable size instruction per cycle.... > >Its called superscalar - and it is not amazing it works - it is >amazing how much more die size (gates) it takes up to do the same >amount of work. > It is not really the same work... with fixed size instruction you can start decoding right away. With variable size decoding during 1 cycle you need to figure out the size of the THREE next instruction + do the decoding as on a risc design. And this is what is amazing to me... >> >How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed >> >the RISC code directly? >> >> Humm, the code size would probably double, so you need to spend >> $ on bigger cache and faster memory. > >You have this backwards - this is why RISC's have been proven cheaper >to design and implement, and outperform CISC overall, and much more >dramatic results when you look at performance/gate or >performance/watt, etc.... > So risc need smaller & cheaper cache?!?!?!? I think you read what I'm writting backward... >> >Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC >> >chip. >> >This don't make CISC bad, just not better. >> >> My view is, cisc better exploit the resource at hand... risc are >alot >> faster/cheaper to design and improve giving them the edge. >> Even so, like some mentioned, at one time, the Pentiumpro was >> THE fastest CPU on earth for integer work :) > >Sure... CISC chips CAN be faster - but they can't keep up, and cost >more to design, etc.... as for better resources at hand the CISC have >yet to prove that - to get the performance on CISC (like PPro) you >have to have alignment issues, etc. that make it look more like a RISC >than a CISC anyways - and you get code creep the same as RISC. So >wheres the advantage? > PPrO is a VERY bad cisc example... its a cisc (variable instruction size, etc..) but only work well with risc like instruction. And the x86 instruction set is an horrible instruction set. Your whole argument is based on a PPRO vs PPC for CISC vs RISC. The advantage of cisc is in the end you get more computing done per byte. >> >In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in >> >a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is >> >written against a particular CPU will be shortlived >> >> Yes, but it will live long enought to make sense to do it. (I mean >> hand written specific CPU code) > >Now days people are learning - NO! (Or only very selectively. First >you write in standard language and get it working. Then you profile >and tune certain areas. Giving you portability FIRST - then >performance enhancements second). > All the people I know that write aplication have hand coded version of the critical C/C++ code... If you dont care about performance in the first place this is not even an issue, so I did beleive you where talking about hi performance aplication. I agree is best to first write the program, then profile it then optimize it :) doing it in the reverse order is very rare > >> >Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. >> >> My advice... Write in the language that fit the best, and hand >optimize >> assembly version of the critical part (If any). Most compiler today >can >> produce code as much as 4 time slower as human rewritten code. > >Humans can tune code... but the way most people are doing it is >writing high-level and getting it working (and portable) FIRST. Then Yes, and? (aren't repeating myself ?) >profiling and tuning as necessary... it turns out that in the past >humans weren't always that good at guessing which parts of the code >were the bottlenecks and so wasted time optimizing the wrong areas - >and not creating portability first. Creating portability? Aren't people creating first a working model of the aplication then fixing the speed issue? When I was writting asm on the amiga I first get the thing working, then I would optimize it. And I usually dont waist time optimizing the wrong algo, something that people still to today. Stephan
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:28:30 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e14540.11376132@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <carol1-1801971152140001@17.219.103.153> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by >> computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you >> mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > >I belive that the Saturn chip developed by HP is a 4 bit CPU with >a 4 bit ALU. > >The model exposed to the RPN programmer may be 64 bits, but >the internal hardware is only 4 bits at a time. I've seen >assembly code for this littel machine and it's rather tedious. > >Power consumption is a real issue. Why do in 64 parallel bits >what can be cycled through 4 bits with lots less power? > The Saturn has a real 64-bit ALU while the internal/external data path is 4-bits. No doubt, the assembly code you've seen involves moving 4-bit "fields" in/out of the ALU. Many people consider assembly code tedious whatever the processor. Certainly, floating point operations with an integer ALU can be less than fun! The 64-bit ALU makes perfect sense when you consider that the CPU was specifically designed for floating point operations. As such, the ALU can hold the entire binary representation of a floating point number (mantissa and exponent). RPN programmers are generally unaware of CPU bit size because RPN deals with named variables that may contain one or more of a large variety of objects with floating point numbers being just one in the list. All of the Saturn CPU registers are static CMOS so I've missed your point concerning power consumption. BTW, with the 48GX, I can have the answers to some really heavy math problems before most PCs get the mouse cursor on the screen :). A lot cheaper to buy and run too not to mention that it fits in a coat pocket.
From: masic@rpi.edu (Christopher Masi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:05:14 -0500 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <masic-1801971805140001@mac2.chem.rpi.edu> References: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58> In article <AF042950-118B0B@206.173.240.58>, "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> wrote: > >I have a Performa 6116 at home, should I throw it in the dumpster tonight > and > >then kill myself? It may not run Rhapsody, and life just has no > >meaning for me anymore. Why, oh why did I buy a Nubus Powermac? * > > > >John > > > Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus > PowerMacs. > > Perhaps you found a lesser need for a platform to run graphics-intensive > applications as opposed to games, home use... > > You are right about trying to determine where the cut-off is for Rhapsody. > > Now lets get Apple to do the same. > > - Paul > Ahh...actually the 611x series performas are PowerMacs; same thing as a PPC 6100 (that is what is written on the motherboard). I bought a 611x because it was the only affordable PPC out there at the time. Christopher
From: masic@rpi.edu (Christopher Masi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:08:18 -0500 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <masic-1801971808180001@mac2.chem.rpi.edu> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <mazulauf-1701971104260001@dopey.met.utah.edu> In article <mazulauf-1701971104260001@dopey.met.utah.edu>, mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) wrote: > > Seriously, isn't this a bit premature? Apple said that Rhapsody would > > support all current hardware. > > Apple said it would support currently _shipping_ hardware. My 7100 is > currently hardware, though it's not shipping. The idea behind all the > noise is to get Apple to decide for NuBus support, before they decide > against it. > > Mike Mike, I have a 6115 and I feel your pain. If I ship you my Mac and you ship it back will that make it a currently shipping Mac? Chris x performas > >and their x100 cousins. > > > > ,--------------.-------------------. > > | Matt Brubeck I brubeck@wport.com | > > `--------------^-------------------' > > I believe in some of the earlier Powermac Performas there was the difference that > the databus to the memory was only 32-bit rather than 64-bit wide. This accounts > for the apparent faster response of say a 8100/80 compared to a 6300/100. You > can also tell this is the case by the fact that the 6100/7100/8100 motherboards > required memory to be added in pairs of SIMMs (i.e. 2x32-bit address lines) whereas > the Performas would take single SIMMS. This may not be true on the top-of-line new > Performas like the 6400. > Jack 611x's require 2 same size SIMMs to be put in also. 6400's require DIMM's. So I would say these are 64 bit data busses. The 62xx are 32 bit data busses they are based on the 600's (680LC40's no PPC) motherboard which has a 32 bit data bus also. The early Performa's (611x) were actually better than the next generation (6200's). Christopher
From: severine@itis.com (S. Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Zip drives? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:23:25 -0600 Organization: Intranet Message-ID: <severine-1801972023250001@c1.itis.com> What's the deal with Zip drives and NeXTs? (I have a Turbo Color Slab, fyi.) The Zip is an external SCSI. Thanks. -- severine@itis.com
From: Stephen Zisk <zisk@adobe.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:52:09 -0800 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Message-ID: <32D6C80D.6A4F@adobe.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5afael$g0b@news3.digex.net> <ldo-0301972000590001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <ct207-0301971033150001@ct207.joh.cam.ac.uk> <ldo-0801972153050001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lawrence: I am writing this post because of some places where you (and some other PostScript and GX advocates) appear to be playing fast and loose with definitions, opinions, and levels of distinction. I think GX is cool technology and wish it were more widespread and more compatible, but I don't see it in conflict with PostScript, even as a screen imaging model. It seems to me that GX provides a higher-level API than raw PostScript (or DPS, except for some of the hit detection stuff), so that the two are really addressing different needs. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. In the future, it would be useful if you distinguished between your "facts", "untested assertions", and "opinions". Holding you to this standard, I will try to do the same in this post. > In case you hadn't noticed, "PostScript" is no longer synonymous with > "quality". PostScript and non-PostScript printers are built around the > same imaging engines, except that the PostScript versions might cost > US$150 or more extra. Opinion: Please define what you mean by "quality". This is a pretty slippery word, so it would be useful if you propose your definition. My own is: Quality in output or screen appearance is a combination of fidelity to originals, consistency with user expectations, and broad, bug-free support in the range of applications the user needs. Fact: Under my definition, the PostScript versions of printers generally provide higher quality halftones, fonts, and color support, and higher quality proofs (with respect to files intended for service bureaus) than their non-PostScript counterparts. This is true whether the PostScript RIP is built-in or is host-based. This is *not* a knock against GX, since there is no printer with GX built in, and since GX (according to its advocates) provides excellent PostScript support. Untested assertion, with some facts: Other software, including GX, could provide such "quality" features on a printer-by-printer, application-by-application, or system-wide basis. Other software, including GX, could provide more features, including typographically sophisticated fonts, transparency, etc, whether or not the output ends up on the screen, a PostScript printer, or a non-PostScript printer. These features might or might not be perceived by customers as providing better quality. These features might or might not be available in the range of applications the user wants to use. Opinion: GX does, in fact, provide some features which boost screen and output quality with respect to standard Quickdraw. Whether or not these features boost quality with respect to PostScript is an open question. Opinion: Quickdraw sans GX, with all its quirks and bugs, has required bastardized approaches to screen display and output with PostScript. This combination, treated as a "print architecture," certainly fails my quality test for application developers. A few years ago, it failed for end users too. Think of all the "Laserwriter wars" problems! Opinion: PostScript is much more powerful and attractive than Quickdraw, and DPS/PostScript would be a much cleaner system, but Quickdraw/PostScript is uglier and lower quality than GX/PostScript. I cannot speak for GX/<some other printer>. > Why not? That's the beauty of GX--that it *can* give you such high- > quality imaging on such low-cost hardware... The laser vendors are > being backed into a corner, and PostScript along with them. Hardly! Fact: PostScript RIPs are available for color inkjets from a number of Adobe OEMs, clone vendors, and, of course, as freeware. These are used every day to bring PostScript quality to low-cost engines. > Even Adobe now sees the writing on the wall, which is why it came > out with PrintGear. Bull! Fact: PrintGear drives low-cost printers with good quality output at high speed for competitive prices. This is no mean feat, and it is why PrintGear has won so many "best in class" awards. Its competition is Windows printers and low-end PCL printers, not PostScript (nor GX). Opinion: By my measure of quality, which includes a measure of broadness of support, neither GX nor PrintGear is as high quality as PostScript. PrintGear uses GDI as its "imaging model" with all the pluses and minuses that brings. PrintGear will not be able to "replace" PostScript or match its quality until there are drastic improvements in GDI. GX is limited to Macintosh systems and PrintGear to Win95. GX is also limited in the combination of apps and extensions you can use it with. This does not mean that there is anything wrong with these printing schemes, just that they are less universal and therefore less useful than PostScript. (Perhaps my definition of quality has too much emphasis on utility?) For a user who can live with their limitations, they provide great "bang for the buck"! > You don't need PostScript rasterization to be built into the > system for this--all you need is one tool for converting > PostScript to fully-editable GX format... Or a PostScript interpreter on your system (such as DPS). Fact: While DPS does not let you print at > 900 dpi by default, it certainly lets you generate PostScript files for export to a PostScript typesetter. All those "high quality" laser and inkjet engines you mentioned earlier as revolutionary for the desktop operate at < 900 dpi, so they are all legal, out of the box, on a DPS-based system. They still need printer-specific drivers, of course, to do communications and raster packing, just as any printer under GX does. > Well, it's better than slowing your machine down every time it > draws on the screen using Display PostScript, isn't it? :) This has already been debunked by others in this thread. > No, the GX graphics model is, in nearly every respect, a superset > of the Postcript one. Untested assertion (or opinion?): In terms of power of expression, the two models are about equal. GX wins in some areas (such as transparency, typographic richness), while PostScript wins in others (such as richness of control of color, halftoning, procedural definitions of graphics extensions). A more interesting question to me is: which missing features in each system do users (application writers and end users) need or want? Obviously, there are some for PostScript, which is one of the reasons for Level 3. Historical note: Lack of transparency and certain other features was tied up with CPU and memory limitations at the time PostScript was first released. Remember, at 300 dpi, a full page, 8-bit deep greyscale buffer is 8 Megabytes! The original Laserwriter had 1.5 Mb, into which we fitted the frame buffer, all downloaded fonts, stacks, caches, comm buffers, and all other temp storage. There was no disk to spill files onto and now powerful CPU to handle planar mapping and such. In today's PostScript systems, a large variety of compression/decompression filters, color conversion machinery, multi-byte font support, complex page device support, network support, etc are built into essentially every system. DPS skips some of the comm support but includes multiple private and shared graphics contexts, basic transparency, hit detection with tolerances on arbitrary shapes, and detailed coloring and halftone controls. There is a lot more to a PostScript system than just the imaging model! Opinion: I suspect that certain GX features are of great use to application designers, but the end user does not care whether good typographical support is in the application, and extension, or the OS. Same goes for PostScript. Some features of PostScript Level 2 are not widely supported (forms, user paths, device-independent color), and I'll bet the same would/will be true of GX if it gets wider adoption. > Yes they will! Remember, unlike PostScript, GX is not a > glorified printer-control language, it is a full graphics > and printing architecture. The printing architecture > includes support for things called "printer drivers", that > translate GX graphics into printer-specific commands to put > marks on the page. Opinion: This is sophistry! I could equally well assert that "PostScript is not a glorified imaging API, it is a full graphics and printing architecture." As soon as you slip into marketing fru-fru, you get *my* hackles up! If you specify what it is about PostScript that "limits" it to being a "glorified printer-control language" and what it is about GX that makes it a "full graphics and printing architecture," we could talk about this. As it is, you sound like a preacher evangelizing. > Most people would disagree. After all, in the Mac world, it has > been common for a long time to talk about "PostScript" printers > versus "QuickDraw" printers (basically, everything that wasn't >"PostScript"). Untested assertion: I agree with you that the language has been distorted, and you are right to talk about "GX printers". However, every "Quickdraw" printer (and, presumably, every "GX" printer) requires a driver to take the bits (or vectors or PostScript, from your description) and squirt them out a comm port to the printer in question. At the very least, such a driver has to return printer info to Quickdraw or QD/GX (including resolution, bit depth, color support, paper support, etc), control printer features, handle errors, and wrap the raw bits from GX with printer control code to tell the printer the width and depth of the bitmap. Where does such a driver come from? Presumably, Apple provides some and printer manufacturers provide others. Presumably, PostScript support is fairly universal in QD/GX. Are there drivers available in GX for all the popular printers? If GX were ported to Windows, who would write the drivers for hundreds of printers? Regards, Stephen Zisk
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep/Apple... Date: 11 Jan 1997 17:32:42 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <5b8irq$9mj@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <32CB9495.75D4@gte.net> <32D31A61.5EB4@whitehouse.gov> <5b5ieb$8qv@uuneo.neosoft.com> <jcr.852971508@idiom.com> Cc: jcr@idiom.com In <jcr.852971508@idiom.com> John C. Randolph wrote: > > I've got thirteen years of code development experience under my belt, > Robert. Care to dismiss *my* opinion of Ada? Nah, I'll just tell you to take it to comp.lang.ada. Perhaps they've got time to waste with you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love, rlove@neosoft.com (local) MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (permanent) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: SoundChaser <soundchaser@velodrome.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:27:35 -0800 Organization: hmmm Message-ID: <32E1A2B7.385D@velodrome.com> References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Tidswell wrote: > > [ Note Cross posts ] > > Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, > NeXT is using. > Ive also seen reference to BSD4.4, presumably in reference to un*x tools > for OpenStep environment. > > Can anybody point me to references of what is (or is about to be) in use ? > > TIA > - JonT <jont@mpce.mq.edu.au> I believe it started life as Mach 2.0/2.1 and they added bits of 2.5 as they saw fit.
From: "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 18 Jan 97 20:50:17 -0800 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <AF06E8BC-101DD9@206.173.240.158> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.concentric.net/comp.sys.mac.system >>>Performas do have 16 bit processing compared to 32 for other NuBus >>>PowerMacs. >> >>What exactly do you mean by this? I'm fairly certain there isn't any major >>difference in bus, motherboard, RAM paging... between the 61xx performas >>and their x100 cousins. >> > I believe in some of the earlier Powermac Performas there was the difference that >the databus to the memory was only 32-bit rather than 64-bit wide. This accounts >for the apparent faster response of say a 8100/80 compared to a 6300/100. You >can also tell this is the case by the fact that the 6100/7100/8100 motherboards >required memory to be added in pairs of SIMMs (i.e. 2x32-bit address lines) whereas >the Performas would take single SIMMS. This may not be true on the top-of-line new >Performas like the 6400. > > Jack > Certainly Rhaposody _needs_the in-place customer base that owners of NuBus PowerMacs offer...for the 'NeXT' system to become established. Just as much as NuBus PowerMac owners require Rhaposody to develop the untapped potential of NuBus PowerMacs. Maybe the cut-off point for compatibility with Rhaposody is the early Performa - based on the 32-bit limitation. -Paul Prior to sending email, remove '.REMOVEthisToRespond' in the From field.
From: "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 18 Jan 97 20:50:51 -0800 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <AF06E8C3-101F7D@206.173.240.158> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.concentric.net/comp.sys.mac.system > I certainly don't expect Apple to spend *any* precious resources creating >a version of Rhapsody for 50,000 NeXT machines when many more PPC/NuBus Mac >owners are very concerned about the availability of Rhapsody for their >hardware. snip > >Art An open letter to Apple's leadership: ASAP thinking to solve financial problems does_not_get the intended results. Short-term cost-cutting puts the company's long term ability on thin ice [to attract new and maintain long-standing customers such as Nubus PowerMac owners]. My guess is that Apple has underestimated [not PowerMac unit demand again] but this time the strength of the in-place customer base. Nubus PowerMacs have a 40Mhz bus speed, L2 cache, RAM slots up to 72 Meg, and easily clock-chipped to 80hz. A good threshold for Rhapsody. Maintaining the loyal customer base has become the pivotal point [of Apple's survival] that hinges on the NuBus PowerMac decision. Promises of native code, muti-tasking, and protected memory were made [not only to sell product and solve the long-standing freezes, crashes and errors that have diminished and retarded NuBus PowerMacs' performance] but to herald a quantum leap that Copland manifested. It's folly for Apple to cause a tearing away of the fabric woven by developers and customers that helped this transition by not supporting NuBus PowerMacs with Rhapsody. Facing dwindling marketshare and developer support, Apple does have 1.8 billion in cash to make improvements with. Consider the future if Apple jettisons Nubus PowerMacs: 1] Lost revenue from no Rhapsody sales to Nubus PowerMacs owners. 2] Developers develop less for Rhapsody, sensing a diminished target market. 3] Given the juncture at no option but upgrading to PCI models, Nubus PowerMacs owners decide to leave Apple permanently and buy from some other Mac-compatible company. 4] Seeing Apple rid itself of valued customers, more Mac-compatible companies are created and prosper - at Apple's expense. All this happens if Apple antes her future and gambles away the NuBus PowerMac customers. - Paul Prior to sending email, remove '.REMOVEthisToRespond' in the From field.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cost of a NeXT Web Site? Date: 19 Jan 1997 04:52:37 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5bs9al$3pm@news.digifix.com> References: <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu> <5bo2s9$d3q@client3.news.psi.net> In-Reply-To: <5bo2s9$d3q@client3.news.psi.net> On 01/17/97, Tim Triemstra wrote: >In article <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu>, sugee@imap2.asu.edu wrote: >> >>I doubt that many advocates and customers like Chylser, CyberSlice, >>Nissan, and etc. as the list goes on, will argue about the merits of >>using NeXT's Web technologies for deploying their Web sites. We have all >>heard plenty and are proud of what is being accomplished. >> >>However, what I haven't heard anything about, something which curiously >>dawned on me recently and after reviewing what some of these folks are >>doing, is the cost of implementing and deploying these Web Sites. Can >>anybody provide approximate costs or actual figures of sites like these? >>I do respect people's anonymity. > >Sue, I think you would have to be looking at a developers' license (enterprise >as they are calling it now) for $5000 and the WebObjects product which will >run you around $25,000 from my memories :) I am not sure exactly what this >gets you because there are issues of linking to databases etc that could >require extra costs but I think that $30,000 will pretty much cover your >up-front costs. > This is mis-leading, and in some cases completely incorrect. WebObjects Lite is available free. Download it from NeXT's server. You can do ALOT with the Lite version. WebObjects Pro now includes a good amount of the functionality that was only available in WebObjects Enterprise. You have some database access, and compiled code. WebObjects Enterprise is the whole shebang, including stuff like custom objects in your database code, more database adaptors, etc... Also as I recall, WebObjects for NT is basically a single program, all that you need. It includes ProjectBuilder, WebObjects Builder, and the required compiler. Can someone from NeXT please confirm this? So the price comes down considerably... WOF Pro 3.0 is only $3,499 including a 3 day training course.. <URL:http://www.next.com:80/WebObjects/WOPro_Bundle.htmld/> -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Online NextStep Guide Date: 19 Jan 1997 04:53:56 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5bs9d4$3pn@news.digifix.com> References: <severine-1701970922510001@c6.itis.com> <5bpeac$944@news.platinum.com> In-Reply-To: <5bpeac$944@news.platinum.com> On 01/17/97, Gary W. Longsine wrote: >In <severine-1701970922510001@c6.itis.com> S. Roberts wrote: >> Hi, all. >> >> I've just become the proud new owner of a Turbo Color Slab, and I'm >> looking for _online_ users' guides/introductions/overviews that can help >> get me started. >> >> I'm not adverse to going and picking up a book, although the cheapest >> they seem to come is $30 and I'd like to get some docs that I can print >> out right away and use today. >> >> If you have any suggestions, please give me an email and/or post here. >> >> Thanks! > >All the NeXT documentation (i think) is now on-line at: >http://www.next.com > >The main archive of cool shareware/freeware/gplware/demoware is: >http://www.peak.org/ftp/pub/next/nextstep.html > >Other useful stuff: >http://www3.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/index.html >http://www.misckit.com/ And Stepwise http://www.stepwise.com/ There are also more sites listed on Stepwise -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <475852914532@digifix.com> Date: 19 Jan 1997 04:57:55 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <413853649874@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:22:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001101971022240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <rex-ya023080001001971844410001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b7lg2$i1m$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b7lg2$i1m$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, marcel@sysyem.de wrote: )This is absolutely silly. Nobody in his right mind would do pixel-wise )transparency computations in PostScript. Exactly. Which is why some of GX's coolest features can't be directly implemented in DPS. It just doesn't make sense. Furthermore the fact that DPS' transparency features were implemented directly in the interpreter instead of via the Appkit, means it doesn't really make sense for the Appkit to handle a lot of GX's features either. )Yes, progamming 3D graphics engines or relational database systems )in PostScript would be silly. What is your point? Apple's execs are making a really stupid decision by trying to graft GX's features into DPS and OpenStep. It's just far too much work, and there isn't any real gain over just porting GX to the system. No matter how they go about it, the users and developers are just going to get a kludgy and slow system. My feeling is that if both DPS and GX are well-tested and optimized, port them both to Rhapsody, and let them have equal access to the screen. GX does have a definite advantage in that a small GUI toolkit coud be quickly written on top of it that would run under both Rhapsody and Sys. 7.x allowing developers to make 'yellow box' apps that could still run under Sys 7.x unchanged. This would mean more native Rhapsody apps in less time than any option Apple is suggesting. From the Apple engineers I've talked to, this was a very feasible plan, sure the apps would be somewhat limited in their functionality, only having access to a small subset of the appkit's and Sys. 7.x's features, but at least they could work under both. GX has to be used because Quickdraw is too unsafe of an API and there's no 7.x implementation of DPS. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:26:56 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001101971026560001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <rex-ya023080001001971844410001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5b7lg2$i1m$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> <jcr.852984500@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jcr.852984500@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: )And in DPS, we don't have to. There's a 'composite' operator, which )invokes DPS's transparency feature. Yep, but there are no hue transfer or saturation adjustment modifiers, or any of the other millions of possible GX transfer modes. Transparency and alpha compositing are some of the simpler transfer modes ;) )Something to keep in mind abut interpreted languages, is that the )interpreters can contain very well-optimized operators. APL was )interpreted, but its matrix multiplication and dot-product code was )better than the FORTRAN code that many other programmers wrote. Oh definitely, but correct me if I'm wrong DPS is not optimized for 5x4 matrices, i.e. one would have to add new operators which could destabilize it by introducing bugs as well as make more unprintable DPS effects. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: warnerr@beethoven.cs.colostate.edu ( richard warner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: So what do I need to catch the Apple/Next wave?? Date: 18 Jan 1997 22:23:53 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Message-ID: <5brihp$1hti@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Hi all - I have the NEXTSTEP 3.3 Developer system. A proud owner of a Color NEXTSTATION - until just recently prepping to buy high-end laptop (six solid years from the NEXT, not bad). Had pretty well given up on NEXT *gasp* until the big news. WOOHOO!! LIFE. Way to go Stevey. So now I'm wondering, can I load NS on the laptop and then load Win/95 under it to access my office productivity stuff - or should I get the SoftPC emulator? What do I need to do/can I get both NS and Win/95 on the same box, preferably Win/95 running in a window under NS. Another line of questions has to do with development. NEXTSTEP native vs OPENSTEP. Is there an OPENSTEP developer product for Intel boxes and do I want it instead of NS native? Is it the product that has a future?? Another line of questioning - is NS 3.3 Developer the latest/greatest still for Intel boxes (if OPENSTEP is the way to go - which version?). Lastly, a RFO (Request For Opinions) as to which is better as of today: Buy a new Intel box and put NS/OPENSTEP on it - or wait to purchase until some hot Apple/NEXT combo hits the market. Of particular interest to me is in the realm of laptops, but also interested in opinions generally. Look forward to hearing all the opinions on this hot topic. Feel free to email me directly at rwarner@prv.com - will summarize to the net. Rich
From: franket@mindspring.com (Frank Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:44:51 -0600 Organization: not much Message-ID: <franket-ya02408000R1901970044510001@news.mindspring.com> References: <AF06E8BC-101DD9@206.173.240.158> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Macintosh Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AF06E8BC-101DD9@206.173.240.158>, "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> wrote: -> Certainly Rhaposody _needs_the in-place customer base that owners of NuBus -> PowerMacs offer...for the 'NeXT' system to become established. Just as much -> as NuBus PowerMac owners require Rhaposody to develop the untapped -> potential of NuBus PowerMacs. -> -> Maybe the cut-off point for compatibility with Rhaposody is the early -> Performa - based on the 32-bit limitation. -> -> -Paul ----------------------------------------------------- You finally seem to be pleased with something. It's OK for someone to get left out as long as it's not you. Early Performa owners can't even get their logic boards replaced and you've been crying because you might not be able to run the new operating system. You use up a lot more space in these newsgroups than the people who have real unresolved problems. -- Frank Taylor <mailto:franket@mindspring.com>
From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Disappearing disk space Date: 19 Jan 1997 07:30:29 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Message-ID: <5bsiil$gcm@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Summary: After defragging DOS SCSI disk, NSFIP saw 117 MB instead of 650MB Keywords: missing disk space, defragging, NSFIP Wishing to copy a large file from a NeXT formatted SCSI disk to a DOS SCSI disk, while running NSFIP, I decided to go back into DOS, defrag the disk, and then go back into NeXTSTEP and do the transfer. When I did this, the free space had dropped from 650 MB to 117 MB on the DOS disk. DOS was convinced there was still 650 MB on the disk. NSFIP saw the 117 MB and refused to transfer the file. I remember vaguely similar problems being posted a year or more ago. I checked NeXT Answers, but can find no mention of the problem. Anyone out there know of this problem and have a solution. I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please send email and I'll summarise for the newsgroups. Many thanks. david -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 11 Jan 1997 11:33:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Every <dke@adnc.com> said: [my question: why DPS?] >It depends.... if GX is only 105% of Bravo - then it is not worth >Apples investements. It has to be 200% better (and marketably so) to >be worth all the effort. > So WHERE is Bravo? The latest that I have heard is that Bravo is no more and that the project lead quit. >Also what can Apple get out of Adobe?!? If Apple comits to using a new >Bravo-Based (PS3?) and get in their needed technologies (color >matching, better font capabilities, etc.) and get adobe to swear undieing allegence to >Apple and Rhapsody and create apps for them... and >Apple can counter license their technologies back to Adobe (for >reducing/eliminating the licensing costs to them) - then it is >probably in Apples best interests - despite a functional loss. > Balance this with what Apple is losing: GX is already part of System 7. It is resolution independent. It is far more optimized, in principle, than DPS can possibly ever be. By forsaking GX, Apple is forsaking a technology that could be used to bridge between System 7 and Rhapsody. Is abandoning THIS worth what Apple might get from Adobe? >I think GX is a superior technology - especially with an object based >graphics instead of procedure based stream.... but is it enough better >that Apple should not standardize more and be seen as a team player - >and get what they want? I don't think so. > Better isn't the only measure: if it were, than everyone would have been using the Mac years ago. Apple has to satisfy the installed base of developers as well as the installed base of customers. They've announced a way of bridging System 7 with Rhapsody for users, but not for developers. GX could be the "Blue Box" for developers that want to have full-fledged Rhapsody apps that work under System 7. Apparently this issue of developer-satisfaction hasn't occured to Apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rumor has it that, after Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, the largest set of investors in Microsoft stock is the Board of Directors of Apple Computer -this explains everything ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 11 Jan 1997 07:23:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEFCF38D-173F2@198.68.42.136> References: <rex-ya023080001101970013240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric King <rex@mit.edu> said: >What Apple should be working >full steam ahead on is a simplified API that provides most of the common >GUI elements and system functions and runs unmodified on Sys. 7.x and in >the 'yellow box' As was hashed out in the AIMED talk mailing list, GX >provided a clean and simple way of doing this if GX Graphics was supported >in Rhapsody. (DPS need not be affected or changed at all.) Now even that >option may no longer be viable. My suggestion of implementing GX as an aside to DPS (via an escape code in the byte-stream) would provide the basic element for a common API between both System 7 and Rhapsody. A Rhapsody-specific API could be added on to GX that would basically create a DPS-based window under Rhapsody and a QD-based window under System 7. An "app kit" of some kind (not necessarily equivalent to the OpenStep ones, but it might be if Obj-C were ported back to System 7) would provide the framework for creating an app using the GX APIs that would be source-code compatible under both OS's. Apple would have to fix the GX printing incompatibilities, but that likely will be less expensive than the loss of marketshare that will result if there is NO cross-platform portability between System 7 and Rhapsody. I REALLY hate this apparent deal where Apple gives Adobe GX typography in exchange for a reduction in royalty costs (at least I *hope* that they are getting some kind of discount!). I can see why they would have to do this, but by gawd, it sure leaves a nasty taste... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any sufficiently advanced magic will be indistinguishable from technology -my corollary to Clarke's Law (AFAIK Mercedes Lackey got it from me at a World Fantasy Convention) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep - OS or environment? Date: 19 Jan 1997 03:14:27 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5bsl53$mc2@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <853364334.28236@dejanews.com> In article <853364334.28236@dejanews.com>, poundmacvits@hotmail.com wrote: > The media has been making a number of confusing and contradictory claims > about what OpenStep is and I hope someone can settle a few things for me. Sure. > First of all I had initially understood that OpenStep was the former > NeXTStep operating system that used the Mach (2.5?) microkernal and which > had been ported to just about every major cpu around. The former NEXTSTEP operating system was renamed "OPENSTEP for Mach" starting with version 4.0. As you say, it uses Mach 2.5 and has been ported to many CPUs. NeXT uses capitalization to make a distinction.. "OpenStep" refers to the cross-platform OpenStep API specification. OPENSTEP refers to an implementation of that specification, such as OPENSTEP for Mach or OPENSTEP/NT. To quote one of their manuals: "`OPENSTEP' refers to the software product. `OpenStep' refers to the standard or specification on which the product is based, and by extension to the concepts expressed by the specification." > I also thought that > OpenStep Enterprise was an application development environment that let > developers create applications that would run on different operating > system systems, such as Solaris or WindowsNT, providing that they had the > OpenStep APIs. OPENSTEP Enterprise is the OpenStep user and development environment for Windows NT. It lets you create applications that will run on different OpenStep implementations, as will any other NeXT OpenStep implementation. However, I don't think that a NeXT development environment will produce binaries for Sun's Solaris implementation of OpenStep; I think you need to compile your application under their implementation for that. (Though you don't need to alter your source code.) > However now I read reports (mostly from macuser) that suggest that > OpenStep is simply a layer that can be placed on different operating > systems, such as a WindowsNT system (kernal). Yes, that's what OpenStep is intended to be. > If this is true then its > not necessary to 'port' OpenStep to other CPU's, such as a pentium, > because it'll already run on the OS, eg, solaris. That should be true.. for example, OPENSTEP Enterprise should be able to work on Windows NT on Intel or on an Alpha if it were so compiled. (Though they don't have an Alpha version.) In practice, at least. I don't know if NeXT's implementation of OpenStep makes any CPU-dependent assumptions for reasons of efficiency. Of course, whether they do or not doesn't matter to the user or developer, since they just work through the platform-independent OpenStep API. The big issue here is porting OPENSTEP for Mach, which is the OpenStep layer on top of a Mach-based operating system, to the PowerPC. Porting the OpenStep layer is not the problem; porting the operating system upon which it resides is. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Porting NextStep apps to OpenStep Date: 19 Jan 1997 00:54:59 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <5brrd3$7h6@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <5b38au$n9q@madmax.mathworks.com> william@mathworks.com (William York) writes: > > What is involved in taking existing NeXTStep Apps and migrating them > to OpenStep for Sparc? > > Is it "just a recompile"? No, it's a right f**king pain in the arse. There are some tools to semi-automate the conversion, but it's still a lot of work. -bat.
From: aris@next.com (Aris Colp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac->NeXTstation->printer Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 11 Jan 1997 09:32:16 GMT Organization: NeXT Software Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b7mn0$jin@news.next.com> References: <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu> You can run CAP on the NeXTstation. It will make part of your hard disk (all of it if you want) into an Appleshare volume and export your printer as a MacIntosh printer. CAP is however a little difficult to configure - from memory about 2 years ago, but this may have changed. It is also free. A. PS: The computer science department at Melbourne University in Australia used to develop some part of CAP - you can get something from the URL: ftp://ftp.cs.mu.oz.au/mac/ John Kestner (jak@asu.edu) wrote: : If I have a Mac and a NeXTstation networked together, is it possible to : print from the Mac to a NeXT laser printer hooked up to the NeXTstation? Or : is there any other way to get from the Mac to the NeXT printer? : : Any help is much appreciated. : : john : : --- - ------- ------- : You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick : : jak@asu.edu : http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/ -- Aris Colp (ALL OPINIONS ARE MY OWN) NeXT Technical Support (I DO NOT SPEAK FOR NeXT Software Inc.) aris@next.com; +1-415-780-3712; http://www.next.com/~aris
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:14:32 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > Not in the PPC version, I believe that's just a 'normal' shared library. Uhhhh, you sure about that? How does the lib onto a shared screen without a sys call? The lib sure, the screen handler? > The Copland version is definitely a shared library. Copeland 0 (the only version to be "released") didn't have GX. > Not when there's no standard object format or ORB. SOM doesn't work with > a lot of languages on the Mac. That's a problem, not a feature. This is the idea behind NeXTStep after all. > conventions makes it much easier to interface with other languages. Cuts > down overhead too. The later is arguable in some cases and downright not true in most. As to the former, you're right, again though, that's a bug, not a feature. > For most things, the overhead of the byte-code interpreter would > probably not be noticeable at all in a fast system, however the > optimizations stemming from advanced GX's retained mode display > architecture would be. DPS could be programmed to keep track of everything > that GX does (it is a language after all) but the memory bloat and 20-40x > speed hit would probably dissuade users and developers from using such a > system. I doubt the later too numbers have anything to do with reality, unless you can point to specific examples where this has been tried in the past. OpenGL's object wrappers (forget the name) was about the same size (or less than) OpenGL itself and didn't slow the system down at all, a good counterexample in my books. > The problem is that using DPS for everything would create a huge > performance bottleneck for some applications, in addition to making some > things *much* harder for developers to program. Much harder than what? GX? Not a single app I have uses it, and DPS is no harder to use than QD. Maury
From: Chris Whatley <cwhatley@next.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep/NT and OpenStep/Mach applications Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:34:10 -0500 Organization: NeXT Software Inc. Message-ID: <32E37452.FB8@next.com> References: <jchan-ya023580001901972238540001@news.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerome Chan wrote: > > Can the same source be used to compile binaries for both OpenStep/NT and > OpenStep/Mach without any #ifdefs? If your code is based entirely upon some combination of Foundation, EOF and AppKit frameworks, this is 99% true. In my last consulting engagement, we had a 200k line project that built on both. The only ifdefs were to change the default colors of some UI elements and a bit of initialization code in our main.m. Chris Whatley cwhatley@next.com NeXT Software Object Experts
From: Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep/NT and OpenStep/Mach applications Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:18:19 -0500 Organization: Demiurge Development Group Message-ID: <32E4519B.62DF@friday.com> References: <jchan-ya023580001901972238540001@news.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerome Chan wrote: > > Can the same source be used to compile binaries for both OpenStep/NT and > OpenStep/Mach without any #ifdefs? For the most part, yes-- typically the only difference is an automatically generated reference to some symbol in the various NT DLLs such that NT will 'get the loading right' for Objective-C classes (apparently, ObjC is just a bit too dynamic for NT's dynamic linker). Other than that, code that sticks with the OpenStep API will compile fine under both environments. NT is rumored to have some level of POSIX support? If this is true, then apps that are implemented against the POSIX API will re-compile with a bit of effort. b.bum
From: afagha01@popmail.med.nyu.edu (Arman Afagh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:55:15 -0400 Organization: New York University School of Medicine Message-ID: <afagha01-ya02408000R1301971255150001@netnews.nyu.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3>, "Ken Schrock" <kens@cannet.com> wrote: >Dave L. <lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY> wrote in article ><lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca>... > >> I think that most Mac users would want to stay with Apple. > >Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? Ken, It's because most current consumer computer buyers are buying a computer for the first time. And when they go into store X, they're going to see 20 new wintel machines and 4 new Macs. They use Wintel at work, whatever. They're more likely to buy Wintel. So, although most (almost all?) Mac users continue to buy Macintoshes when they upgrade (I myself am on my third, and have no desire to buy anything but Mac), so many more *clueless* newbies are buying Wintel that the Apple market share is proportionately less, even though in numbers, more Mac OS machines may be being sold than at any time before. ARman. \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +-----------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------+ | Arman Afagh New York University | | afagha01@popmail.med.nyu.edu School of Medicine | | http://darwin.bio.uci.edu/~aafagh Class of 1999 | | | | "Intel Inside": | | The world's most widely used warning label. | +--------------------------------Oooo----------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <eric@pooh.cdrom.com> Message-ID: <9701201813.AA02113@nebula.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v146.2) j%q;6~]olIY<I\1zLJ.~]53@+A]/}";bKMKAoA3DJn"3Ur/iVngM_b8?1=WhD(,C\OQ`!N PGO6e04/E9[ec6sDuxxB From: Eric Tremblay <eric@cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 10:13:43 -0800 Subject: Developing Business Applications With Openstep BOOK Cc: comp-sys-next-programmer@antigone.com I just got a great OpenStep book called Developing Business Applications With Openstep; Peter Clark, N. Gervae; Paperback; $39.95 It's really nice. I did not read it yet but I'm sure glad I bought it. It's available from http://www.amazon.com/ do a "OPENSTEP" keyword search. Or on the phone at 1-800-SPRINGE. BTW: I have no connection with any of the above. I just bought the book and thought it was really nice and would useful for other people out there. Eric "E.T." Tremblay Walnut Creek CDROM (Publisher's of the Nebula Quad-Fat CDROM and eric@cdrom.com Font Garden for NEXTSTEP book/CDROM.)
From: cybobob@mindspring.com (Nick Sharpe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 04:23:35 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, can there be Quake for OpenStep? Thanks a lot. Nick
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:42:18 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001301971942180001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <maury-0901971256080001@199.166.204.230> <AEFA999B-9FACF@198.68.42.247> <maury-0901971639110001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001970235060001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001001972018070001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32D6F5D9.4497@ozemail.com.au> <rex-ya023080001101970013240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1301971300050001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <maury-1301971300050001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: ) I couldn't disagree more. The NeXT is far easier to develop for than )NT, MFC is basically a MacApp/TCL type deep object library that gets )compiled into your code. Unfortunately if Apple's current plan goes through, Rhapsody's going to represent a fairly small portion of the Mac market. ) I think they should instead do a 68040 port. Considering that they're considering scrapping Nubus PowerMac support for the initial versions, I *seriously* doubt they'd do an '040 port. A simplified 7.x and Rhapsody API would serve developers better because they'll be able to get some new features that they've been craving without tossing everything else out. sure Rhapsody apps might only take a tenth of the time to develop, but if there's only a twentieth or thirtieth of the market running it, it's not exactly a worthwhile venture. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:04:00 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001301972004000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <AEFD7E24-40A8A@207.158.13.54> <rex-ya023080001201971135220001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5bclc3$bk0@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bclc3$bk0@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: )rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: )> OpenDOC integration's definitely going to be a sticky thing. )> Apple's *not* going to abandon that technology, yet its going to )> be hard gafting it into the Appkit. GX could ease things because )> its a much much closer fit for the ODF than Postscript. (Just )> about every ODF GUI structure has a direct GX analog, and they're )> referenced in exactly the same way.) ) )My guess is that it won't be all that hard figuring out how to )get OpenDoc working under Rhapsody. It'll probably 'work' in the 'Blue Box' but it's outside of it that's tricky. Right now the ODF uses QD or GX to do its imaging. Having the GX libraries floating around in the 'Yellow Box' for processes to use would certainly ease the ODF port. Classic Quickdraw calls don't exactly translate into Postscript that easily, nor is Classic Quickdraw something that you'd want developers to continue using in the 'Yellow Box'. How they implement SOM and Bento support in the Appkit should be *really* interesting. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: 21 Jan 1997 12:42:47 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5c2dk7$gl4@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> Cc: zxeses@zapcom.stop.spam.net NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.MAC.ADVOCACY In <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> Zxeses wrote: > >Apple keeps 96-98% of their users. And this figure is based on...? >The problem comes in that the growth >rate is probably around 4-6% also, so it' s a wash. > >In other words, there are no MORE Apple Sales, but no less either. The >computer industry is growing, therefore apple's "share" of this pie keeps >getting smaller, but not so many less buyers/users. Well, that's not quite true. There are quite a few companies which actively eliminate Macs from their organizations in favor of PCs. (I have, unfortunately, had first-hand experience with a few of these.) ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:25:17 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R1401970425180001@news.erols.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5abr86$mk9@news4.digex.net> <rex-ya023080000101971935240001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <marke-0101972347070001@port55.an <remedies-0601970003220001@den-co12-26.ix.netcom.com> <5arof0$b0o@news.digifix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5arof0$b0o@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > Why does it have to be one way or the other for you people? > It doesn't. Personally I'd like to see an implementation of both systems. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: Tim Young <pwilso39@mail.icon.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:43:30 -0500 Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc. Message-ID: <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Weintz wrote: > > ChristianSchildwaechter wrote: > : In Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) comp.sys.next.misc <ArticleDisplayer: 0x1644c8> writes, > > : Seems to make some sense this way. You wouldn't use Nextstep for 3D development, there is near to no software, you wouldn't wish to develop under Irix either. > Actually, NEXTSTEP is pretty darned good for 3D development, at least for > non-realtime work. The company just upgraded my workstation to a P6 with 64MB > of RAM and a beefy graphics card; solidThinking's QuickRenderMan displays are > now as nimble as Alias PowerAnimator 7.0 on an Indigo^2 Extreme. I routinely > create animations as good or better than what I made at the Beckman VizLab. > > -- > Steve Weintz Speaking of 3D games... I wonder if anyone out there remembers or even knows that the best selling 3D game of all time was developed using NeXT computers. That game was DOOM. MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name!
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:52:44 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1301971552450001@ctsasync51.cc.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <lewisda-ya023580001301970205390001@news.dal.ca> In article <lewisda-ya023580001301970205390001@news.dal.ca>, lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) wrote: > "Ken Schrock" <kens@cannet.com> wrote: > > > Dave L. <lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY> wrote in article > > > I think that most Mac users would want to stay with Apple. > > > > Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? > > That's easy... fear mongering. I'll agree with that in part. But a large part is Apple's own fault. By this I mean the endless delays in bringing out a modern OS, broken promises, technology dead ends. Many people are perceiving (rightly in my opinion) that the many advantages that the Mac once had are diminishing. It is no longer clear cut who has the best system. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: 21 Jan 1997 15:01:35 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Cc: cybobob@mindspring.com In <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Nick Sharpe wrote: > I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, > can there be Quake for OpenStep? There isDoom and Doom II for Openstep/Mach. Runs on Motorola, Intel and Sparc as a fat binary. Runs quite quickly, not quite as quickly as on DOS, but enough. In a window, of course. There is the possibility to poke a hole in the windowserver and access the framebuffer directly. It's called "Interceptor" and the API is not publicly disclosed, although some companies do seem to have the API. NeXTIME uses Interceptor. BTW Doom was developed on NeXTSTEP.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 14 Jan 1997 08:18:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF00F4DB-4F859@198.68.42.175> References: <5bg2e0$ar2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> said: > >On 01/14/97, Eric King wrote: >> True, but some of GX's features like its printing and caching >> architecture or its transfer modes can't be added over DPS without a hell >> of a lot of work. For me since I'm writing custom UI widgets, GX's hit >> testing functions are a very crucial and powerful feature. I'm not even >> sure if a general hit testing solution is possible in Postscript given its >> language basis. >> >Umm, so how do I click on things in the DPS GUI? > >Read the Adobe Purple book, pp67, 135, 138-41, 141-45. That's hardly an answer, since most of us don't have access to the Adobe Purple book. Why don't you give us a summary, instead? --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: Vlod Kalicun <Vlod-KWR.Kalicun@ubs.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:44:17 +0000 Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland Message-ID: <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <mazulauf-1501970100320001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <wmrLSKW00WBLI_Bf0q@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Alfonso Visconti wrote: > But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it > is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland > does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said > they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died. > It was my impression that parts of copland would be incorporated into rapsody. There is a LOT of cool stuff in copland! Theres no reason for them not to drop the Mach kernal and use the one in Copland. -vlod
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: 21 Jan 1997 17:33:34 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Cc: pwilso39@mail.icon.net In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might could get the cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial ;-) Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac (sort of a play on "The NeXT Computer" [original name of the next cube]) ... anyone else? -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 21 Jan 1997 18:12:33 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5c30uh$pv7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> Vlod Kalicun <Vlod-KWR.Kalicun@ubs.com> writes > Theres no reason for them not to drop the Mach kernal and use the one > in Copland. Yes there is. They promised to ship the thing in ONE YEAR. -- Jon Haveman
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:21:06 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971932260001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <rex-ya023080001301971932260001@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > At least it can be installed on 75% or more of the systems out their. > DPS can not. Why? > Also how much memory does the DPS interpreter take up? Dunno, but it's running on a paged OS, so it's of little concern. > Why? That's totally unnecessary. If anything all that would need to be > done is implement some GX alternatives. i.e. you'd have a standard DPS text > object and a GX text object. Both should be useable in the same window. > When printing the Postscript code generated from the GX objects in a window > would be sent along with the DPS code. So how are you going to handle windows that want one, the other, or both? It's back to DPS. > No, develop a *modest* toolkit under and for Sys. 7.x then port that to > the Rhapsody appkit. The smart developer would model the widgets and > structure of the toolkit such that mapping its widgets to Rhapsody widgets > would be fairly painless. So we get a system in which if you want portability you sacrifice functionality. Uhhh, that's why they _dropped_ Copeland, remember? > 7.6 installs OpenDOC by default, talk about OS bloat... GX only needs > ~1MB. ~350k with VM. Yes, but only if it's running. GX always runs if it's installed. And as soon as you print, that jumps to about 2 meg. > We're not talking about something that would serve the needs of every > developer, just those with small to medium size apps and who would benefit > from having a Rhapsody native version of their app that also ran on older > systems. Which OpenStep already does. > I doubt Apple even has the docs necessary to do such a port. NeXT does, they used to run on 040's. Maury
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: using modem through terminal Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:08:23 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <32E50617.1DC8@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: gpacho1 i just bought an 040 25 cube and a modem. how do i dial into my ISP through terminal. ie. how do i issue the ATDT ###-#### command) -Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: using modem through terminal Message-ID: <E4DKoA.Lp@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Sender: nobody@gateway.ali.bc.ca Cc: gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu Organization: A.L.I. Technologies, Inc. Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:24:09 GMT References: <32E50617.1DC8@gl.umbc.edu> In comp.sys.next.misc Gregory Pacholczyk wrote: > i just bought an 040 25 cube and a modem. how do i dial into my ISP > through terminal. ie. how do i issue the ATDT ###-#### command) You want to use the tip command. You can find out more via "man tip", but here's the basics: If you have a 14.4 modem on serial port A, you will probably want to add the following lines to your /etc/remote file: fast|cufa19200|Dial-out on cufa at top speed (currently 19200 baud):\ :dv=/dev/cufa:br#19200:tc=BASIC: You would then type the command: tip fast and then you would have a direct connection to your modem at 19200 baud rate (faster than 14.4 so that you can handle bursts of data which uncompresses at a faster effective rate than 14.4). At this point you should type your AT command. If you want a nice GUI for handling of this (as well as zmodem file transfers, etc.) you might want to purchase TipTop.app from Tip Top software. If you want to do more than have a terminal window into your ISP (ie. you would like surf the web) you should ask about setting up a PPP network connection. ciao -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck." -- Rob Pike, commenting on The X Window System
From: raph@porter.as.utexas.edu (William Raphael Hix) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Date: 13 Jan 1997 17:48:20 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5bdsh4$jp4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> Ken Schrock (kens@cannet.com) wrote: : Dave L. <lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY> wrote in article : > I think that most Mac users would want to stay with Apple. I think that most Mac users will stay with Apple as long as Apple stays with them. That is to say, as long as Mac users "investment" in Apple, in hardware and software costs and especially in user experience, is maintained by Apple, Mac users will stay with the MacOS. This means Apple should work hard to make Rhapsody run on every Mac with a PPC on the motherboard. They should make the software emulation in Rhapsody as complete and bullet proof as possible. This also means that default appearance manager setting should work like Sys 7. Of course they could do all of this, and still die from a lack of developer support. : : Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? The number of Mac users is in fact growing. However since this group is growing at a rate slower than the rate of growth for total computer users, the market share (the percentage of the total) is declining. Raph ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Raphael Hix Department of Astronomy raph@astro.as.utexas.edu University of Texas Voice: (512) 471-3412 R.L. Moore Hall FAX: (512) 471-6016 Austin TX 78712 WWW: http://tycho.as.utexas.edu/~raph Room 17.210 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:47:41 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080001401972347410001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971932260001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: ) Why? DPS doesn't run on 7.x. )> Why? That's totally unnecessary. If anything all that would need to be )> done is implement some GX alternatives. i.e. you'd have a standard DPS text )> object and a GX text object. Both should be useable in the same window. )> When printing the Postscript code generated from the GX objects in a window )> would be sent along with the DPS code. ) ) So how are you going to handle windows that want one, the other, or )both? It's back to DPS. No its not. The GX objects use GX to draw, the DPS objects use DPS to draw. The only problem is arbitration and clipping. Something Apple's going to *have* to figure out anyway if they want QD 3D and Quicktime to perform well. All of the Quick**** technologies want/need direct access to the screen. Fortunately Next has already done some work in the area with Interceptor, but it sounds like the architecture needs some cleaning up before its ready to serve as a basis for QTML. ) So we get a system in which if you want portability you sacrifice )functionality. Uhhh, that's why they _dropped_ Copeland, remember? Uh no, the reason why they dropped Copland was because the Copland team had spent too much time working on side projects like porting the window manager and other crusty 68k code to C and trying to do impossible tasks like get Quickdraw to become protected memory and PMT-friendly. (straight from the mouths of Apple system software engineers...) Trying to graft GX's technologies on to DPS has that same impossible feeling that enhancing Classic Quickdraw for preemptive multitasking and protected memory did. Sure it sounds doable from the start but when you look deeper one encounters all sorts of nasty little technical problems. In retrospect (according to them) it would have been far easier if they had just gone full-steam ahead with GX, and told developers that Quickdraw and its dependent would never be usable outside of the compatibility box. Further they should have left the window, menu, etc. managers as is, and started work on newer GX-based replacements years ago. Developers would have been able to move to the new APIs under 7.x and when 8.0 finally rolled around those same apps would be instantly preemptively multitasked and protected. A new window manager *should* have been released simultaneously with GX (what else are those client heaps and viewport hierarchies for...), but Apple didn't think such a thing was necessary at the time and that they'd eventually get around to it. So what we saw were bizarre announcements like Copland would support fully preemptive and protected tasks as long as they *didn't* use any of the GUI-related Toolbox calls. However GX would probably still be callable from those tasks... Overall GX technology has been woefully mishandled, but despite that mishandling GX Typography is still a very crucial Apple technology, and one that is causing quite a bit of interest and development in Asian markets. The problem is that most of its effects are implemented on top of a shape and object database that is non-existent in Postscript and the Appkit. Furthermore the database is such that it doesn't cleanly fit in as extra DPS code or as extensions to class in the Appkit. If Apple's going to be punching holes in the screen for QTML, chances are it'll be *much* easier to just let GX use those same holes and extend the appkit with a few new classes. This way there's less of a chance of breaking something in the Appkit and there's the potential to provide some limited functionality bridges for 7.x developers. It should also speed the Rhapsody port, by keeping GX intact Apple doesn't have to reimplement and change the appkit and DPS system. When the QTML integration is done GX can just tag along, and widgets based on its layout edit libraries and other features could be implemented very quickly. ) Yes, but only if it's running. GX always runs if it's installed. That's because its always doing something, remember it takes over font rendering. I believe GX devotes ~200k or so to its font caches. For compatibility reasons Classic Quickdraw's Font caches have to be kept around also. As 7.x's VM system continues to improve and GX is upgraded, the memory requirements will go down. )as soon as you print, that jumps to about 2 meg. And then goes back down when you're done. Your point? )> We're not talking about something that would serve the needs of every )> developer, just those with small to medium size apps and who would benefit )> from having a Rhapsody native version of their app that also ran on older )> systems. ) ) Which OpenStep already does. OpenStep most assuredly does *NOT* provide that. I'm talking about operating systems, not hardware systems. If you follow Apple's road map it'll probably be 2-3 years before a very compatible Rhapsody release is made. It's not at all unlikely that most users will take a wait and see approach, and stick with the 7.x upgrades until they're sure everything they want to run is available on Rhapsody. For developers this means that they'll have to support 7.x for quite a while and that support will substantially delay the transition to Rhapsody. ) NeXT does, they used to run on 040's. NeXT Cubes and NeXTstations are *not* the same as '040 Macs. It's a support chip problem that's preventing Apple from supporting the older systems. They haven't kept good records on the low-level details of their hardware designs. -Eric -- Excerpt from Marianne Moore's 'The Pangolin' This near artichoke with head and legs and grit-equipped gizzard, the night miniature artist engineer is, yes, Leonardo da Vinci's replica- impressive animal and toiler for whom we seldom hear.
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:52:22 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Cc: jhsterne@earthlink.net In <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Jason S. wrote: > In article <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) > wrote: > > > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > > >In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > >> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > >> >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM > > >> >> he had when he "invented" the 3.5" > > >> >> floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > > >> >> years before his announcement. > > >> > > > >> >Are you joking? Or insane? > > >> > > >> Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain > > >> wrong and annoyingly so at that. > > >> Time to read something that wasn't printed > > >> by Apple. > > > > > >You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! > > > > > > > Really helping you cause here. > > Next time you're bored, slip into a computer store - buy some > > books and read 'em. > > > > >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) > > >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) > > > > > So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is > > it I'm not surprised? > > Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ > to propagate? This is a little bit old but I just found it out and since it's insulting to me I have to answer! You imply that we two don't know that Usenet posts take time to propagate... But if you had brain between ears you'd understand that this suspicion could work for Lance (who by the way has nothing between ears) but not for me! Incidently Tim Smith kindly corrected you: "But they generally only propogate *forward* in time." But I'm not sure you got it... > J. > -- mc
From: Charles W Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:04:50 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <kmr7C2_00iVC4HaLli@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> <rex-ya023080001301971932260001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230> In-Reply-To: <maury-1401971521060001@199.166.204.230> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 14-Jan-97 Re: GX optimizations (as I .. by Maury Markowitz@softarc. >> Also how much memory does the DPS interpreter take up? > > Dunno, but it's running on a paged OS, so it's of little concern. The WindowServer process on my NeXTstation Turbo: 78-tertius% ps aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND chuck 190 3.2 6.9 24.3M 5.51M ? SW 63hr - console (WindowServer) ...uses 5.5 MB of physical memory, and 24 MB of VM. The WindowServer implements the DPS interpreter and DPS backing store, along with other functionality-- the DPS interpreter alone would consume fewer resources. This is for a machine that's been up for 7 days (my previous uptime was ~120 days, but I rebooted my machine to test some RAM SIMMs that were failing on another machine). It's running about 60 processes right now. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:38:58 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <lewisda-ya023580001501970138580001@news.dal.ca> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <5bei9m$5et@usenet.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > "Ken Schrock" <kens@cannet.com> wrote: > > > > > I think that most Mac users would want to stay with Apple. > > > > Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? > > Because there are more *new* people coming into the market, > and the majority of them go for Intel-based PC's. I honestly think that a lot of it has to do with fear mongering and propaganda. If the media says that Apple is dead enough times, then it will eventually become a reality... a self-fulfilling prophesy. Likewise, if the media tells people enough times that Bill Gates, the biggest geek that ever lived, is a cyber-god who was sent to earth to guide us all into the brave new electronic frontier, then people will believe that too. The Mac is still far superior to a Win95 machine but all we hear about in the media is "Apple is dead" and Apple has made no attempt to refute those claims. It's called *propeganda* and *fear mongering*. Apple has to come up with an aggresive hard hitting marketing campaign to get the truth out. I'm sick to death of this pathetic sacarine coated Hallmark-style "give your dreams a chance" Performa crap!!!!! -- ________________ David Lewis lewisda@tuns.ca www.tuns.ca/~lewisda
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:41:33 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > In <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Jason S. > wrote: > > In article <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance > Togar) > > wrote: > > > > > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > > > > >In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > > >> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > > >> >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM > > > >> >> he had when he "invented" the 3.5" > > > >> >> floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > > > >> >> years before his announcement. > > > >> > > > > >> >Are you joking? Or insane? > > > >> > > > >> Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain > > > >> wrong and annoyingly so at that. > > > >> Time to read something that wasn't printed > > > >> by Apple. > > > > > > > >You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! > > > > > > > > > > Really helping you cause here. > > > Next time you're bored, slip into a computer store - buy some > > > books and read 'em. > > > > > > >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) > > > >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 > (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) > > > > > > > So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. > Why is > > > it I'm not surprised? > > > > Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time > ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ > > to propagate? > > This is a little bit old but I just found it out and since it's > insulting to me I have to answer! > You imply that we two don't know that Usenet posts take time to > propagate... But if you had brain between ears you'd understand that > this suspicion could work for Lance (who by the way has nothing > between ears) but not for me! > Incidently Tim Smith kindly corrected you: "But they generally only > propogate *forward* in time." But I'm not sure you got it... > Excuse me? My post was obviously pointing out just how petty an argument over who posted what first was. And my having "brain between my ears" [sic] is completely unrelated to my knowing whether or not you have the common sense to realize that when you and Lance posted has no relationship to when you and Lance read said posts. Grow up. J. I'd flame you, but I think your post speaks for itself.
From: chesnutt@adobe.com (Stan Chesnutt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: 22 Jan 1997 03:56:14 GMT Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Message-ID: <5c434u$hen@enquirer.corp.adobe.com> References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Cc: cybobob@mindspring.com Actually, there is a version of DoomII written for NeXTStep (I presume it may run on OpenStep). Check the Omni Development Group website if you want to see it. I run DoomII on my NeXTStation Color, and it gets a reasonable frame rate. There isn't anything that specifically prohibits games from being developed for OpenStep: in fact, with the rich appkit & distributed objects, it is a fairly friendly environment for games. In <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Nick Sharpe wrote: > I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, > can there be Quake for OpenStep? > > Thanks a lot. > > Nick > --
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSITape and NS4.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 22 Jan 1997 04:15:32 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5c4494$psd@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Hello, for the last 3 days I have been trying to install a driver for my DAT drive on my new 4.1 Intel setup. Rumor has it that the 4.X tape driver is broken, but somehow I hope there is a workaround for such an essential feature. If you have info how to make a tape work on 4.X, please let me know. Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:35:03 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1501970135040001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> In article <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1>, eilersm@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Michael Eilers) wrote: > Considering the tremendous hardware requirements of Windows NT (you'd > better have a P150, 32 megs of RAM and 2 gigs, and that's just to get it > running) Not from my experience at all! I've used NT quite a bit. I've seen it working quite nicely on 486 machines. > There are no more NuBus machines. There are no more 68K machines. These > things are dead--blotto--history--stone-age. The people who really need > and will use a modern OS have already moved on. There are no more NuBus machines??? What the hell am I typing on? It is perfectly capable of running a modern OS. It's just that the people responsible for providing such an OS are balking. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: "Danny Lau" <jest0038@tp.silkera.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT/NEXTSTEP T-shirt and mug? Date: 22 Jan 1997 04:59:51 GMT Organization: New Silkera Network Message-ID: <01bc06c2$a9cc6ca0$240246cb@athena> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Three years ago I worked for a project on NEXTSTEP/Intel, and my associates had this booklet called "NeXT Promotional Items". It is a company called Hermann Marketing which sells NeXT t-shirts, mugs, jackets, ... etc. Does it still sell these things? If it does, how can I contact them? Or does anyone else make NeXT promotional gimmicks these days? I appreciate your information for alliviating my nostalgia... --- ... Toi, mon amour, ou es-tu ce moment et ce soir?
From: zxeses@zapcom.stop.spam.net (Zxeses) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:20:28 -0800 Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Message-ID: <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3>, "Ken Schrock" <kens@cannet.com> wrote: > Dave L. <lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY> wrote in article > <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca>... > > > I think that most Mac users would want to stay with Apple. > > Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? > > -- > Ken Schrock > kens@cannet.com The computer industry is a funny place. Think about it this way, Apple Mac's used to represent 10-15% of the computers, then the PC sales picked up and new computers were sold to people who didn't have computers before. Apple keeps 96-98% of their users. The problem comes in that the growth rate is probably around 4-6% also, so it' s a wash. In other words, there are no MORE Apple Sales, but no less either. The computer industry is growing, therefore apple's "share" of this pie keeps getting smaller, but not so many less buyers/users. Make sense? Good! cause I almost forgot why I was writing this! :) So his point, that most Mac users stay with Mac's, is true still. I will always use a Mac, even if the company goes under, when I can't use my Mac any more, I will toss it out and never use a computer again.. -- Zxeses@zapcom.net <- Note: This may be different then what is in the header, please use this.
From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 22 Jan 1997 06:37:37 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Message-ID: <5c4cjh$svs@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> In article <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net>, Tim Young <pwilso39@mail.icon.net> wrote: >Steve Weintz wrote: >> >> ChristianSchildwaechter wrote: >> : In Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) comp.sys.next.misc <ArticleDisplayer: 0x1644c8> writes, >> >> : Seems to make some sense this way. You wouldn't use Nextstep for 3D development, there is near to no software, you wouldn't wish to develop under Irix either. >> Actually, NEXTSTEP is pretty darned good for 3D development, at least for >> non-realtime work. The company just upgraded my workstation to a P6 with 64MB >> of RAM and a beefy graphics card; solidThinking's QuickRenderMan displays are >> now as nimble as Alias PowerAnimator 7.0 on an Indigo^2 Extreme. I routinely >> create animations as good or better than what I made at the Beckman VizLab. >> >> -- >> Steve Weintz > >Speaking of 3D games... I wonder if anyone out there remembers or even >knows that the best selling 3D game of all time was developed using NeXT >computers. That game was DOOM. > >MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! What's wrong with MacNeXT--its Scottish soooo it caan't be Crrraap (which distinguishes it from all those other non-Scottish machines!) :) david -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 22 Jan 1997 07:22:39 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5c4f7v$l98@news.digifix.com> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> In-Reply-To: <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> On 01/21/97, Vlod Kalicun wrote: >Michael Alfonso Visconti wrote: > >> But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it >> is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland >> does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said >> they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died. >> > >It was my impression that parts of copland would be incorporated into >rapsody. There is a LOT of cool stuff in copland! > Is there any information on this on Apple web site? >Theres no reason for them not to drop the Mach kernal and use the one >in Copland. > Are there any compelling reasons to do it? (i.e. is it worth the risk?) -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: peter@junior.next.com.au (Peter Lees) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Date: 22 Jan 1997 11:46:55 GMT Organization: Next Online - WWW design & serving, Sydney, AUSTRALIA Message-ID: <5c4unf$5ce@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971819170001@news.ececs.uc.edu> On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:19:17 -0500, Jack Howarth (howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu) wrote: > ps The idea of buying a new computer every 3 years is what makes me shudder. The Nubus > Powermacs have a 64-bit data bus running as fast as 40 MHz (which is within spitting distance > of anything on the Mac now). This crap people are spewing about the first generation Powermacs > being decrepit is ridiculous. This will be a real problem for Apple. The bleeding edge folk with money > to burn are willing to let Apple write off the Nubus PPCs for the 'greater good'. It's no wonder > market share is down from 8% to 5%. The business world does not write off equipment in 3 years. in fact, australian taxation laws allow you to do exactly that. it you want to be conservative, you can estimate your computer equipment will deprectiate to 0 in 5 years, but you're not required to take that path. in any case, nubus powermac will continue to have useful life in many places for years to come - we still have LC IIIs, IIci's an SE30 and even a Mac PLus being used for useful work. hint: don't keep upgrading your software. if it works, leave it alone. another point to consider is that mklinux is being developed for nubus powermacs. can anyone say "web farm" ? p -- Peter Lees (peter@next.com.au) - Technical Manager, Next Online tel: +61 2 9310 1433 * fax: +61 2 9310 1315 * http://www.next.com.au "You can have a day off when you're dead, Baldrick, and not before..."
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl (Drs G. C. Th. Wierda) Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Message-ID: <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> Sender: news@AWT.NL Organisation: AWT Organization: Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:06:40 GMT christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >In article <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: >|> As I recall, the rage in 1982 was about data bus size vs. ALU size >|> in determining bitness. The Z-80 could do 16-bit register and >|> indirect arithmetic but was labeled an 8-bit processor. The 6502 >|> couldn't do either but was still labeled 8-bit. Personally, I >|> prefer data bus size as the indicator of bitness. However, this is >|> one holy war I'll pass on for now. > >So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some >80386-based machines were 16-bit? Here is my recollection for what it is worth. I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. The fact that it had to hit the bus twice to get 16bit data to and from memory doesn't change that internally it worked with 16bit data. This 16bit-ness also showed up as it's default memory limitation was 64kB (16bit addresses) which was upped to 1MB by adding the 'segmentation trick'. The 8bit data path only made the CPU-memory traffic a bottleneck. The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. Except that the 80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version (16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating point part was added. The pentium combined two 486 integer ALU's with a rewritten FP ALU and some extra logic to make the stuff work together (like branch prediction or cache, I forget). I talked to the guy (actually I interviedwed him) who was responsible for the technical launch of the Pentium during the CeBIT show. Part of the story above (including admitting that the 80[23]86 processor was awful) comes from him. The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in 'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I would guess it meant cheaper memory. One of the reasons IBM went for the 8088 in the orginal PC (they considered the m68k) was that the m68k turned out to be more expensive in terms of memory. Yours, --- Gerben Wierda, Stafmedewerker Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid. Staff member Advisory Council for Science and Technology Policy Javastraat 42, 2585 AP, 's-Gravenhage, The Hague, The Netherlands Tel (+31) 70 3639922 Fax (+31) 70 3608992 http://www.AWT.nl/ "One foolish wise man can state more than a thousand wise fools can question." "Doubters need to understand believes. Believers need not understand doubt."
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 22 Jan 97 14:31:35 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <doenges.853943495@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl (Drs G. C. Th. Wierda) writes: >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. Except that the >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). I love nitpicking, so here goes. The 80286 was NOT a 32 bit chip. It still had only 16 bit registers, and a 16 bit data bus. It couldn't do 32 bit operations. It did have a 16MB address space in protected mode though, and was faster than the 8086. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Message-ID: <E4E78y.Mu0@gorilla.nbn.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 04:31:46 GMT So a great deal has been said about what NeXT will do to or for Apple, but has anyone heard any details on what's in store for NeXT? Since I work in a mostly Mac environment, but need to use an Intel machine, I would like to be able to use NeXTStep if it could run Mac programs and do file sharing and the other Appletalk/networking stuff. Rumors, etc, welcome. Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:13:59 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> <32DC5F69.126@rust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:39:05 -0500, bryan white <bwhite3@rust.net> wrote: >> Compaq has had Klamath 266s for quite a while now. > >Have they sold any of these yet? No. >> deal from there, although I do want to see the 100 mhz busses - _that_ >> will be an improvement. > >There seems to be at least one pentium MB running up to 83 MHZ (ASUS >something or other). What is the PPro MB running at? 66 mhz, isn't it? Yes, Asus runs at 83 mhz, although that isn't a standard, supported spec from Intel. 100 mhz will be. Also a 33 mhz ISA bus will be standardized, although I can't get excited about that. ________________________________________________ Reachable at: 713 629 6947 nights Please quote in all replies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Beginner questions Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E41986.47p@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:45:42 GMT References: <x6ybdwx5wn.fsf@queequeg.uchicago.edu> <32DC8CF9.4B50@friday.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <32DC8CF9.4B50@friday.com>, Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> wrote: >James Felix Black wrote: >> 1. How necessary is the OD? The system has a defective drive. Can it >> be easily replaced? How much should I expect to pay for one? > >OD-- not necessary, get a Jaz drive... they are faster, more reliable, >and plug-and-play with anything (but a windoze box). > Just a comment. It's been said before but I'll say it here again just to be safe: Jaz drives need a disktab entry, which you can get from my web page or NeXTanswers. Zip drives *DO NOT*. >> 2. Does a cube support the floppy drive? If so, how much should I >> expect to pay for one? > >Yes-- as long as it is an '040 and not one of the old '030. Don't know >how much you'd have to pay... a cube can do 2.8 MB floppies-- which is >beyond the PC standard of 1.4. Sam Goldberger could tell you-- hunt >down Spherical Solutions (right?). > Right. I've seen the Sony ones for $100 or so. >Yes; And if you don't mind running single-headed, a ND+cube with lots >of memory on both (say 64 MB on both) is STILL the fastest 32 bit >graphics machine around [discounting custom hardware like >SillyGraphics and such]... truly awesome. > You figure? I haven't used modern PC-based 32-bit solutions, but I find this impressive. Not that I mind--I enjoyed many years of seeing peoples' faces when dragging windows around on my ND--but still? Nifty! >As well, simply add a secondary caching DNS server to the Linux box >and-- if you want to get really fancy-- a proxy web server and mail >transport agent, and you have yourself one bitchin' LAN... > Yeah--guess I should get a crappy 386 to stick in the closet. And some IP addresses... >Upgrade to [at least] 3.3-- it is better and is what MOST of the >community that isn't using 4.1 is currently using. > There's some argument as to whether 3.2 or 3.3 is faster if you have a Dimension board. I have 3.2 on mine and am happy (with 32/36MB) and I've never used 3.3 on one. I have FoundationUserPatch installed so I can run 3.3-ish apps, but I have no need to develop Foundationised stuff. >My cube has been moved six times, been struck by lightning twice, has >been kicked, jumped on, fallen down a [short] flight of stairs, and >still works perfectly. > Only problem is that if the paint gets scratched off the case you're left with this really ugly yellow-ish colour. :( >The B&W monitors tend to fade with time. The 17" color monitors suck >(well, most of 'em, but that's a long story). The 21" monitors are >excellent. > Monochrome monitors with no mic on the front (model N4000) are the most likely to fade. Add a microphone and oyu get N4000A--they're not bad--I've used one from the summer of 1992, pretty much 24/7 since then that's still nice. The ADB monitors (likely not what you'll get with your cube)--the N4000B--apparently used a higher- quality cathode and solved the fading problem. The 21" moitors (Hitachi, aren't they?) are possibly the nicest non-Trinitron 21" I've ever seen. Even after 5 years mine is really nice. >There is a very good reason why NeXT won many awards for the design of >the hardware... No company has *ever* built a machine as well as NeXT >built the cube and the subsequent stations. [At least, none that I'm >aware of-- if you are, please point me to 'em... I LOVE well built >'wares, be it hard or soft.] > I'd agree with this. My cube is one of the most useful things (and just all around "nice") things I've ever bought. BTW, the Oberheim Xpander is built almost as well as NeXT black hardware. It's not a computer, but you asked. :) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org.nospam (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Beginner questions Message-ID: <1997Jan15.091843.664@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Cc: felix@queequeg.uchicago.edu Organization: Disorganization References: <x6ybdwx5wn.fsf@queequeg.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:18:43 GMT In <x6ybdwx5wn.fsf@queequeg.uchicago.edu> James Felix Black wrote: > > 1. How necessary is the OD? The system has a defective drive. Can it > be easily replaced? How much should I expect to pay for one? Don't bother about the OD. Try to clean it (there are docs on some ftp-servers) and if it still doesnt work, get some other backup device. > > 2. Does a cube support the floppy drive? If so, how much should I > expect to pay for one? SCSI-Floppys work well. > > 4. I have a USR 33.6 sportster sitting around ... but the NeXT serial > situation makes me nervous: can an '040 cube drive a serial port fast > enough, or should I invest in a cheapo PC and route PPP to ethernet > (suboptimal)? You can drive the port with 33.8 which is OK when downloading compressed files, otherwise you have some slow down. Actually the port can be driven with 56k, but then you might get overrun errors. > > 5. How much RAM should I outfit this sucker with, at a minimum? I > think that it's running 3.1 (?), and I am interested in developing. min 16MB. > > 6. How reliable are the cubes, generally speaking? Very reliable, much better than average PC hardware. > > 7. How is the NeXT printer, generally speaking? Print quality, > reliability, noise, etc. I use it seldom, the qualitity (400 dpi) is good for some years already. > > 8. I'm an Emacs/mh user, and while I can -- and some would argue, > should -- adjust, I would like at least some of my working enviroment > available. How is the range of Unix standard packages that support > NeXT? I'm thinking about things like pgp, lynx, python, perl. I am > happy to get by without X, but the thought of giving up emacs gives me > the cold sweats. The standard unix utilities work well on NeXT. The problem is Emacs: There exists a native port to NeXTSTEP but this is (I beleive) emacs 19.28. I run the latest emacs (compiles without problems) on co-Xist X-Emulator on Nextstep. This is not the fastest solution, but as I also regard emacs as the most necessary tool on every machine - what alternative do I have ..... > > 9. How wierd (meaning "not so much like Unix as you'd expect") is the > working environment? It is 99% BSD unix. A few exceptions exist. Software which is written for SYS-V need some tweaking. But almost everything on the net is running on NeXT.
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:44:17 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1301971244170001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-1001971514480001@199.166.204.230> <AEFC27EF-21CE5A@198.68.42.168> In article <AEFC27EF-21CE5A@198.68.42.168>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > OK, how do you create a rectangle under DPS? > > How do you move it around under DPS? > > With GX, if you want to move a rectangle around, it is a single call to > modify the transform of the shape. You can continually update teh location > of the shape (*ANY*) shape using this technique. QD, not GX. Note... > Much harder than what? GX? Not a single app I have uses it, and DPS is >no harder to use than QD. Comparing GX to DPS is fine, but the reality is that 4% of the market users it and the rest use QD. Thus the comparison is between QD and DPS. If you can make the case that QD alone is way easier to use than DPS I'd like to see it. > These are all trivial in GX. Exactly, but that's not a comparison point because GX is not in general use. Period. > The question isn't just: is DPS as easy to use as QuickDraw. Sorry, that's exactly the question for 96% of the market. > Does DPS provide the same kind of support as GX? And the answer is both "no" and "so what?". > Is it easier to provide GX services on top of DPS by creating GX-ish class > libraries or is it easier to provide GX services along side of DPS by > adding an escape code to DPS to call GX directly? (remember that both of > these require that GX be made thread safe) I thought GX was thread safe. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: GX optimizations (as I understand them) (Was Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:05:32 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1301971305320001@199.166.204.230> References: <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210> In article <AEFD2E2C-537B@198.68.42.210>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > GX is already part of System 7. Not it's *not*, it's 4% of the systems out there! That's a very serious problem. You're stating that it's better to... a) port GX to the new OS b) end up with TWO display models in the yellow box c) rewrite the superb NeXT GUI libs for these new calls (OUCH!) d) port THAT to Sys 7 e) make everyone with Sys 7 install GX which they don't do because it bloats the OS anyway f) get some dynamic lib system running under 68k that actually works ...and... g) rip out a lot of functions from the resulting system such that it doesn't need to have memory management, threads, protected memory etc. This is supposed to offer an advantage over... i) port OpenStep for Mach to 040 Macs. Maury
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Rhapsody viruses Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3yJBn.BCI@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:30:58 GMT References: <tan-0801971353090001@138.26.45.218> <5b2a8n$gm2@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b38l5$3p1@www.langen.bull.de> <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5b3chi$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Joshua W. Burton <jburton@nwu.edu> wrote: >vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) wrote: > >> Hi Josh, remember me? I bought a bunch of ODs from you some years >> back. > >Of course: all 126 names I wrote on all those boxes and shipping >forms at 3 in the morning are engraved forever in my mind. Especially >the one who sent me delicious German chocolates! > Wow, Joshua. Sorry I didn't send you any Canadian maple syrup or something. :-) >Yep, it's a sad world. Maybe we should stay away from this Apple >thing, now that we're suddenly popular, and try to push for a GnuBe >port or something. Actually, that name is kind of cute, huh? > In a lot of ways I'm very afraid of the Apple thing for just these reasons t-and for the fact that it makes c.s.n.advocacy even worse than before. Same crossposting wankers, but now they have a mandate to post there. :-( -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: nineteen@onramp.net (Richard C. Logan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:51:25 -0600 Organization: MicroPhile Message-ID: <nineteen-1501971251250001@ppp1-08.lbcktx.onramp.net> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> In article <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224>, "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.net> wrote: > >> If we have to buy a new machine to get a modern OS, we'll do so... > > > >As in WindowsNT? Give me a break. I would rather use System7. > > > >-- > >________________ > >David Lewis > >lewisda@tuns.ca > >www.tuns.ca/~lewisda > > > > David, the lesser of two evils is still evil. > > We Nubus PowerMac Apple loyalists from the 128 days shall not be neglected, > ignored or passed over by Apple today. We are forming a class action that > you too can recoup your losses from Apple's breaches of contract. > > Certainly other platforms will be more than inviting. I could not help but notice the negative spin in the media that has been haunting Apple for sometime. These incessant attacks are undoubtedly effecting Apples market share and survivability in general. Uniformed people pick up on these press angles and treat them as fact. It seems that there has hardly been a time when the Macintosh has not been under fire. The first time I saw a Mac it was a revelation to me and I knew little or next to nothing about computers yet I intuited what the interface meant and the implications of its sublime logic. I Have been a MacUser since 1984 and have had to live with all the disinformation and hostility towards the Mac. For along time everyone said that a character based interface was the best way to go and one didn't want to have to take their hands off the keyboard, while all the time Microsoft was leveraging the Macintosh i.e. "Excel"to get a foothold in the applications market and working on Windows. Now is not the time to gather together and slit our throats for the media with lawsuits over the uncertain future of Nubus PowerMacs. If Apple falls then we will be consigned to the mediocrity of the Microsoft hegemony and a single vendor for a mainstream OS. That may be fine for buisness people, but it will be devasting for the advance of personal computing. Richard C. Logan
From: Charles W Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:56:22 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8mrGVKW00iV945mC55@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <simpsonh-ya02408000R1401972141060001@news.dca.net> In-Reply-To: <simpsonh-ya02408000R1401972141060001@news.dca.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 14-Jan-97 Re: Feedback to Apple about.. by Homer Simpson@post.drexe > I think that in May there will be some real road maps made explaining all > of the Unkowns. My fear is that this new os will be nothing more than > OpenStep repackaged. This does not excite me at all. What's new, what's > exciting about it? It's UNIX for crying outloud with a pretty interface. Can I say that you're very much mistaken about what OPENSTEP is without starting an argument? Perhaps not, but we'll see. Fact: OPENSTEP is not Unix. OPENSTEP is a platform-independant API and object library for developing applications which can run on many platforms-- not just Unix. For a real-world example, remember that you can run OPENSTEP apps on NT. [ ... ] > I had hoped for a truely modern os that would take advantage of > improvements made to memory management, files systems and distributed > symetric multiprocessing that have been discussed in Computer Science over > the last decade. Instead we are getting the same basic design that System > Vr4 gave us with some things fixed and a nice facade to a command line > interface along with 2.5 Mach kernel which is about 7 or 8 years old now. Where to start? First, the Mach kernel used under NEXTSTEP is a well designed piece of work. It has good preemptive multitasking with kernel thread support. It has a very good virtual memory implementation, including copy-on-write, shared memory via pages mapping into multiple address spaces and fast IPC via Mach messaging to either local or remote processes. NeXT has never released an SMP version of NEXTSTEP, but Mach is SMP-capable, and didn't Apple say there were going to support SMP? While NEXTSTEP normally uses the Berkeley FFS (which again is a well-done, mature filesystem implementation that's much better than HFS, FAT-xx, or HPFS, and reasonably comparible to NTFS), there was a version of TransArc's Andrew File System (AFS) available which gave ACL's, replicated fileservers, and so forth. Could Mach be improved? Of course. It would be great if they supported user paging objects, updated their NFS implementation, and added more of the BSD 4.4 networking capabilities (although NEXTSTEP does include some of the BSD 4.4 functionality). I also wouldn't mind seeing the FFS be replaced by JFS or XFS, but that's less important. > I won't even begin to discuss the security issues that unix can present. I would note that the vast majority of security problems with Unix systems are due to poor administration and OS vendors shipping insecure systems. Apple would do itself and its customers a big favor by handling security better than other OS vendors have done in the past. > NeXT has done a fine job of hiding most of UNIX with its appKits and its > Objective C usage but it is still Unix under the hood. NEXTSTEP is, yes. That's one of NEXTSTEP's greatest strengths compared to most of the other operating systems used on personal computers. As I said above, OPENSTEP has nothing to do with Unix. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:05:20 GMT References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, Jon Tidswell <jont@mri.mq.edu.au> wrote: >[ Note Cross posts ] > >Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, >NeXT is using. NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/Mach use a 2.5 kernel with NeXT extensions (I don't remember exactly what those are at the moment...) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: severine@itis.com (S. Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPP on the NeXTNeXTNeXT Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:49:04 -0600 Organization: Intranet Message-ID: <severine-2201971249040001@c6.itis.com> Alrighty, I've got my Moosman NeXT. So, what might you kids suggest insofar as PPP apps, etc., to run this puppy? -- severine@itis.com
From: Chris Raven <craven@planete.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Single-User Boot ? Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:17:12 +0100 Organization: Pressicom/Planete.net, France Message-ID: <32E667B8.5D9C@planete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------781B31EF7E201" ------------781B31EF7E201 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello there, I am on charge of a NeXT Cube administration. Halas ! My network configuration is so bad, that I can not boot anymore : my station stops on file system mounting, I believe it is trying to mount some remote fs...well if I depress ctrl/c, I reach the services launch screen, but my poor NeXT keeps waiting...waiting... I believe the best question is : how the hell do I boot in single user mode ???! Thank you !!! ------------781B31EF7E201 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY> <DT> Hello there,</DT> <DT>I am on charge of a NeXT Cube administration.</DT> <DT>Halas ! My network configuration is so bad, that I can not boot anymore :</DT> <DT>my station stops on file system mounting, I believe it is trying to mount some</DT> <DT>remote fs...well if I depress ctrl/c, I reach the services launch screen, but</DT> <DT>my poor NeXT keeps waiting...waiting...</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>I believe the best question is : how the hell do I boot in single user mode ???!</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>Thank you !!!</DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------781B31EF7E201--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Zip drives? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E4F1ov.9Mw@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:29:19 GMT References: <severine-1801972023250001@c1.itis.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <severine-1801972023250001@c1.itis.com>, S. Roberts <severine@itis.com> wrote: >What's the deal with Zip drives and NeXTs? (I have a Turbo Color Slab, fyi.) > Procure a cable, plug it in, and go. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Vlod Kalicun <Vlod-KWR.Kalicun@ubs.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:31:03 +0000 Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland Message-ID: <32E640C7.4A09@ubs.com> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> <5c4f7v$l98@news.digifix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Anguish wrote: > > On 01/21/97, Vlod Kalicun wrote: > >Michael Alfonso Visconti wrote: > > > >> But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it > >> is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland > >> does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said > >> they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died. > >> > > > >It was my impression that parts of copland would be incorporated into > >rapsody. There is a LOT of cool stuff in copland! > > > > Is there any information on this on Apple web site? Hmmm.. I've 'read' somewhere that Hancok has not committed to using the mac kernal. (sorry this is a bit lame). I think shes just investigating all possibility and by not using mach, this may help her remove the unix aspect. > >Theres no reason for them not to drop the Mach kernal and use the one > >in Copland. > > > > Are there any compelling reasons to do it? (i.e. is it worth the > risk?) Just because Copland failed doesn't mean that everything about Copland doesn't work. The reason Copland failed IMHO :) is the compatibility problems. I think the kernal is quite advanced and works. I think most mac users will freak when they see the command line. I *know* that the front end *should* take care of everything.. but whats the reality. My knowledge of the NEXT is limited. Do you have to mess with sendmail, crontab, /dev etc? They have put in substantial resources into Copland and since OPENSTEP is kernal independant, theres no reason for them not to evaulate putting it on Copland's kernal. Just my .02 cents worth.. -vlod
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:42:23 -0600 From: tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu (Thomas McCarthy) Subject: Need NeXT-friendly ISP in L.A. area Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <853964889.7833@dejanews.com> Organization: University of Southern California Hi, I have given up on dialing in to my employer (Univ. of SoCal) to collect my mail/surf/etc. It is just too busy and too difficult. I am looking for a new PPP provider in the L.A. area (I'd prefer the 818 area code), and I am hoping that there's a NeXT user somewhere who has such a connection who'd be willing to share scripts and/or Gatekeeper files to make this go as smoothly as possible. I haven't been able to collect my mail in 2 weeks, and I need to get up and running again as soon as possible. I can receive mail (but not NeXTmail!) at this address: tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu Thanks in advance, Tom ----- Thomas McCarthy -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: gt7357a@acmey.gatech.edu (Tp12a) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 15 Jan 1997 23:49:42 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : processor. I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." If the ALU word length determined the "bitness" of a processor, then my HP48 pocket calculator is a 64 bit machine, just like a DEC Alpha. If the maximum address space determined "bitness," a Commodore 64 would be a 16-bit machine... With virtual memory, an Intel 80486 would be a 40 bit machine! Go figure... Cheers, Phil : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer * -- Philip C. Tsao (pronounced 'Philip C. Tsao') Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7357a gt7357a@prism.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt7357a
From: raph@porter.as.utexas.edu (William Raphael Hix) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Date: 22 Jan 1997 21:33:12 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5c612o$rt6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> <5c4f7v$l98@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish (sanguish@digifix.com) wrote: : On 01/21/97, Vlod Kalicun wrote: : >Michael Alfonso Visconti wrote: : > : >> But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it : >> is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland : >> does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said : >> they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died. : >> : > : >It was my impression that parts of copland would be incorporated into : >rapsody. There is a LOT of cool stuff in copland! : : Is there any information on this on Apple web site? There was info at www.macos.apple.com prior to the NeXT announcement, but I don't know if it's still there. : >Theres no reason for them not to drop the Mach kernal and use the one : >in Copland. : : Are there any compelling reasons to do it? (i.e. is it worth the : risk?) NeXT itself planned to update the Mach 2.5 kernal in NeXTStep to something more modern (Mach 3ish). It seems that currently, Apple has decided to replace the kernal, the question being which of the competing possibilities. NeXT Mach 3 work, the PPC Linux kernal, Copland's NuKernal, and Sun's Solaris kernal, have all been mentioned in the press as possibilities. It has been postulated that adoption of the NuKernal would ease the inclusion of the NuBus macs among Rhapsody users, because a lot of driver work has been done. Raph ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Raphael Hix Department of Astronomy raph@astro.as.utexas.edu University of Texas Voice: (512) 471-3412 R.L. Moore Hall FAX: (512) 471-6016 Austin TX 78712 WWW: http://tycho.as.utexas.edu/~raph Room 17.210 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701142101.QAA15944@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: af49fe0f219f216f2cb946603cefd005 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 16:00:57 -0500 Subject: Re: cron and individual crontabs (ala SunOS) Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: af49fe0f219f216f2cb946603cefd005 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: shaffer@durer.phyast.pitt.edu (C. David Shaffer) Original Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:32:49 GMT > I just found a good reason to use cron on my NeXTstation only to > discover that it doesn't work the same way as it did on my > SPARCstation on SunOS 4.1.3. Can anyone give me pointers as to how > one might simulate the "individual crontab" instead of the system > global one in /etcv/private. I would like for users to be able to > create cron table entries without having root privs. Any pointers > appreciated. (E-mail or posts are fine). Depends on how many users you have I guess zsh is on NS 3.3 or later. You can get it from PEAK if you have pre-3.3 NOTE: you have to use the GNU egrep to use this script, or else change it to a series of "grep -v root|grep -v agent" and so on basically you want to remove the users who you DON'T want to check. #!/usr/bin/zsh me=`whoami` # this script must be run as root if [ "$me" = "root" ] then for i in `nidump passwd . | \ tr -s ':' ' ' | \ awk '{print $1}' | \ egrep -v "root|agent|nobody|uucp|news|sybase|daemon"` do if [ -x ~$i/.crontab ] then # Found crontab for this user that was # executable su $i -c ~$i/.crontab fi done fi exit 0 You could just add that script to root's cron entry, and it will run. I give no guarantees for security holes, etc etc. I just whipped this off in a hurry (*ow*). TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep|OpenStep web page, email me the URL!]
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 02:37:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : (Tp12a) wrote: : > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : > : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : > : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : > : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : > : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : > : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : > : processor. : > : > I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from : > marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" : > is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any : > other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 : > protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). : > Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the : > horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." : It seems reasonable to consider "bitness" when comparing chips from : different families, here you point out the fact that within the x86 family : that there were and are several sets of ISA and memory addressing models : available. But the terms "16-bit" "32-bit" "64-bit" are still useful, as : long as you know the difference between "64bit address space", "32bit ALU", : and "16bit data bus". : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola : had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit : processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it : has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address : space. I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:06:54 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1501972306550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <5bei9m$5et@usenet.rpi.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001501970138580001@news.dal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lewisda-ya023580001501970138580001@news.dal.ca>, lewisda@tuns.ca.REMOVE.CAPS.TO.REPLY (Dave L.) wrote: >I honestly think that a lot of it has to do with fear mongering and >propaganda. If the media says that Apple is dead enough times, then it will >eventually become a reality... a self-fulfilling prophesy. Likewise, if the >media tells people enough times that Bill Gates, the biggest geek that ever >lived, is a cyber-god who was sent to earth to guide us all into the brave >new electronic frontier, then people will believe that too. The Mac is >still far superior to a Win95 machine but all we hear about in the media is >"Apple is dead" and Apple has made no attempt to refute those claims. It's >called *propeganda* and *fear mongering*. Apple has to come up with an >aggresive hard hitting marketing campaign to get the truth out. I'm sick to >death of this pathetic sacarine coated Hallmark-style "give your dreams a >chance" Performa crap!!!!! Hmmm...Apple just had its debt rating lowered again today...does that say anything about the confidence of the business world in Apple Computer. Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:25:33 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R1501972325330001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net>, zxeses@zapcom.stop.spam.net (Zxeses) wrote: >The computer industry is a funny place. Think about it this way, Apple >Mac's used to represent 10-15% of the computers, then the PC sales picked >up and new computers were sold to people who didn't have computers before. >Apple keeps 96-98% of their users. The problem comes in that the growth >rate is probably around 4-6% also, so it' s a wash. > >In other words, there are no MORE Apple Sales, but no less either. The >computer industry is growing, therefore apple's "share" of this pie keeps >getting smaller, but not so many less buyers/users. > >Make sense? Good! cause I almost forgot why I was writing this! :) > >So his point, that most Mac users stay with Mac's, is true still. I will >always use a Mac, even if the company goes under, when I can't use my Mac >any more, I will toss it out and never use a computer again.. > Perhaps your conclusion from the observation that repeat buyers rather than new owners make up the overwhelming bulk of Apple's sales should have been as follows. Since the above is true, it is insane for Apple to permanently alienate such a large segment of its user base as Nubus Powermac owners. I warn you that if Nubus Powermac owners leave the platform they will take a large share of 68K owners will go with them. The Nubus Powermac owners were the risk takers during the transition to the PPC and these sort of people tend to be more technically adept. They are the sort others ask for help and advice. What recommendation do you suspect these folks will make when asked by 68K owners about what model of Macintosh to buy? I myself have stopped all recommendations on Apple hardware until they have resolved the issue of Rhapsody support for Nubus Powermacs in a reasonable and honest fashion (no vague promises). Perhaps if their sales and stock price craters for a quarter or two they will come to their senses. Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
From: Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Clock stops after logout in Black Hardware Date: 23 Jan 1997 01:38:46 GMT Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5c6ff6$p5h$2@news1.slip.net> Hi, Is there an easy solution to fixing the clock on your Cube if the clock stops when the machine is turned off. Thanks, Emmett
From: glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: setting dns Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:16:43 -0800 Organization: Europa Communications Inc. [Portland, OR] Message-ID: <glenn-ya02408000R2201971616430001@news.europa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, I am trying to determine how to set the dns address on NeXTstep 3.3. I found where to configure IP address and router. Any help is appreciated. This is a lone NeXT box in a mac and PC shop. ---- Tod L. Glenn Internet Services Administrator Now Software ITG webmaster@nowsoft.com ---- http://www.nowsoft.com ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com listserv@nowsoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: Beginner questions Message-ID: <E4252I.6Cs@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <32DB6BC1.689D@ibp.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:13:30 GMT In article <32DB6BC1.689D@ibp.de> Lars Immisch <lars@ibp.de> writes: > James Felix Black wrote: > > [snip] > > > > 4. I have a USR 33.6 sportster sitting around ... but the NeXT serial > > situation makes me nervous: can an '040 cube drive a serial port fast > > enough, or should I invest in a cheapo PC and route PPP to ethernet > > (suboptimal)? > > Arggghmmnn. I'm not 100% sure, but according to the man pages you should > be able to drive your modem fast enough. You _will_ need a special cable > (I usually take a Mac cable, and solder a new DB 25 connector to it 'coz > it's a real pain to solder the DIN 9's) > > [sip] I tried this but this did not work because most 'high speed' Mac cables only have 6 out of 8 pins of the Mini Din-8 connector connected. And you do need the two pins not used on the Mac for an 040 NeXT. More details at the "TheSolutions" section of "http://www.radical.com". If you have to solder use the very thin wire-wrap wire. If you want to use the modem at 33.6 line speed , you need a 57.6 baud connection to your modem. This will keep your Cube rather busy. hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Message-ID: <E4262s.6FL@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <5bdsh4$jp4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:35:16 GMT In article <5bdsh4$jp4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> raph@porter.as.utexas.edu (William Raphael Hix) writes: > Ken Schrock (kens@cannet.com) wrote: > > : Then why does Apple's market share keep dropping? > > The number of Mac users is in fact growing. However since this group is > growing at a rate slower than the rate of growth for total computer > users, the market share (the percentage of the total) is declining. > > Raph > Your definition of market share sounds ok, but I have the impression that when journalists are talking about market share, they are talking about the percentage of newly sold copies. The market share journalists are talking about is dropping faster than your definition. (Probably the same journalists that are talking about stabilization of the growth rate of inflation.) hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
From: jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:36:53 -0500 Organization: TofuSoft Message-ID: <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>, jrudd@cygnus.com wrote: > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > > > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might could get the > cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial ;-) > > Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac (sort of a play on "The > NeXT Computer" [original name of the next cube]) ... > > anyone else? MacOS 8. --- The Evil Tofu (Only Human)
From: "J. Paul Lindblad" <searchit@concentric.REMOVEthisToRespond.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 15 Jan 97 23:08:06 -0800 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <AF031411-ABD27@206.173.240.169> References: <wmrLSKW00WBLI_Bf0q@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.concentric.net/comp.sys.mac.system >> I'm sure that this wasn't the first instance where Apple said that Copland >> would run on NuBus PowerMacs - just the earliest that I've dug up so far. >> >> Mike >> >But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it >is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland >does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said >they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died. > >Michael Alfonso Visconti <mv2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> Copland's intended but failed attempt at multitasking and protected memory is real, here today on NeXT. Two of the three Mach kernals considered have run on the PPC 601. The issue is Apple's commitment [really lacking] to maintain a system for a lot of current users - especially NuBus PowerMac owners. - Paul Prior to sending email, remove '.REMOVEthisToRespond' in the From field.
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:05:04 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) wrote: > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: > : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola > : had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit > : processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it > : has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address > : space. > > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there > were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes > to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. > Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? The original 68000 did indeed have a 16-bit ALU and the behavior of which you speak. This did not change until the 68020 if memory serves. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:06:58 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) wrote: > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there > were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes > to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. > Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? Sorry to follow up my own post, hit the send key too fast.. 32 bit operations often took an extra cycle or two, not necessarily "twice as long". For example a reg-reg add might take 4 cycles for the 8 or 16 bit case, or 5 cycles for the 32 bit case due to the extra trip through the ALU. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701221441.JAA04662@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: da50dc76b8a9ab0a92bd8388bd37a636 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 09:41:51 -0500 Subject: Re: using modem through terminal Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: da50dc76b8a9ab0a92bd8388bd37a636 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Original Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:08:23 -0500 > i just bought an 040 25 cube and a modem. how do i dial into my ISP > through terminal. ie. how do i issue the ATDT ###-#### command) I use kermit ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/comm/kermit.5A.190.NIHS.README ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/comm/kermit.5A.190.NISH.bs.tar.gz I find it very easy to use, and has very good online-help that tells you when you are doing something wrong. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: Hidehisa Tsutsumi <tsu2mi@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help to install V3.3 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 00:20:29 -0800 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <32DDE4CD.6AF8@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: htsu2mi@ccsi.canon.com Please help me! I'd like to install NeXTStep V3.3 to my Intel PC. But when start installing it, displayd "system panic". And It say can not see SCSI CD drive. So My PC has DPT 2012B/90 EISA SCSI bord. What happen to me?? How can I do???? Somebody know about that problem??? HIDE TSUTSUMI htsu2mi@ccsi.canon.com
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:02:00 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1601970102000001@ctsasync71.cc.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971349340001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <lewisda-ya023580001201971817160001@news.dal.ca> <01bc00ea$bbd5f5c0$57f612c7@schrock3> <zxeses-ya023080001501970020280001@news.zapcom.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1501972325330001@news.ececs.uc.edu> In article <howarth-ya02408000R1501972325330001@news.ececs.uc.edu>, howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) wrote: > What recommendation do you suspect these folks will make > when asked by 68K owners about what model of Macintosh to buy? I myself have stopped > all recommendations on Apple hardware until they have resolved the issue of Rhapsody > support for Nubus Powermacs in a reasonable and honest fashion (no vague promises). Heh, heh. I've already let die one possible purchase of a new Performa system (to replace an ancient PC). My parents were considering getting a Mac based on how I'd recommended them in the past. No more. I told them that Apple had become very unreliable, and nobody could be certain of the support they would receive (both from Apple and third party). They bought a new PC, and it has worked flawlessly for them. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
From: sroth@netrover.com (Steven Roth) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:33:35 -0500 Organization: Netrover Distribution: inet Message-ID: <sroth-1501971333350001@ascend9.netrover.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <1997011409420622019@ts3u-4.cc.umanitoba.ca> <5bicof$8hl@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> In article <5bicof$8hl@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: >In article <1997011409420622019@ts3u-4.cc.umanitoba.ca>, umbeggs@cc.umanitoba.ca (Gerry Beggs) wrote: >>Joshua T. McKee <jmckee@miaco.com> wrote: >> >>> I realize that the PPro is not a great design, but for a poor design, >>> it is competing very well. I read from DEC's home page that DEC >>> believes a 300MHz PPro will keep pace with their 433MHz 21164 (this is >>> recalled from memory from a few weeks ago, you may wish to verify it). >>> The question is, can Intel get the PPro to 300MHz? >> >>I find this hard to believe. since the PPC 604 is faster than the PPro >>at the same clock speed, and the Alpha is faster than the 604. >> > > ppro 200mhz 8.1 specint95 , ppc 604e 200mhz 7.41 > 6.75 specfp95, ppc 604e 200mhz 6.72 > > An alpha 21164 300mhz get 7.3 specint95. > > a 195mhz R10000 is faster then any of the above, and Mips > cpu can be very cheap for low end system. > > What number did you base your assumption on? > > Stephan From Byte magazine: "It takes two 200Mhz Pentium Pros to equal one 200Mhz PowerPC 604e processor." - results from Byte Benchmarks testing. -- Steven Roth sroth@netrover.com
From: Johannes Geiss <jgeiss@wilma.qint.de> Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace,alt.fan.enya,alt.good.morning,alt.good.news,alt.music.enya,alt.personals,alt.personals.misc,comp.graphics.misc,comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.windows.misc,misc.wanted,rec.arts.misc,rec.skiing.alpine,rec.skiing.snowboard,sci.misc,soc.culture.canada,soc.misc Subject: Canadian girl in Austria, Kaprun, KITZSTEINHORN Followup-To: alt.fan.enya Date: 16 Jan 1997 15:54:05 +0100 Organization: Qint Software Message-ID: <wziv4x1xiq.fsf@wilma.qint.de> Hello, sorry for bothering this newsgroup but I'm looking for a certain canadian girl I've met in Europe/Austria/Zell am See in the "Crazy Daisy" pub at the night of new year, 3:00 hours. She was on vacation at Kaprun and skiing on the mountain Kitzsteinhorn until January, 06. I have forgotten to ask her about her name and so I try to contact her this way. If you may know her please ask her to contact me via eMail. My address is "jgeiss@qint.de". She is ca. 170(?) cm, tall, short dark hair (nearly black), black eyebrowes, brown eyes, age ca. 27(?) years. She wore a dark grey pullover and black pants. I asked her, "Where do you come from?", and we talked about "overcrowded Europe" and "not getting up too early for skiing". Again, sorry for bothering you in this newsgroup. Thank you Johannes -- ============================================//===================== Johannes R. Geiss // Qint Software http://www-internal.qint.de/~jgeiss \\ // Robert-Koch-Str. 2 ========================================\X/========================
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:26:10 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5blkr2$sdm@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com> In article <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com>, rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) writes: |> In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu |> (David T. Wang) wrote: |> > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: |> > : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication |> > : that Motorola had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by |> > : calling the 68K a 32-bit processor. I would consider the |> > : 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it has a 16-bit data |> > : bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address |> > : space. |> > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, |> > there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were |> > acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations |> > actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this |> > indeed the case? |> The original 68000 did indeed have a 16-bit ALU and the behavior |> of which you speak. This did not change until the 68020 if memory |> serves. On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A lot like increasing the clock speed. Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: Toshinao Ishii <ici@giocoso.ici.net.jp> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: PopOver + procmail ? Date: 16 Jan 1997 04:16:53 +0900 Organization: 3WEB corp. Message-ID: <x6pvz6g34q.fsf@giocoso.ici.net.jp> Hi. Is there any way to pass emails received by using PopOver (or other pop client) to procmail ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-= Toshinao Ishii email: ici@osk.threewebnet.or.jp (NeXTMAIL/MIME Welcome)
From: mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu.NO_SPAM (Mike Zulauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Only idiots jump Bass Ackwards - What's gotten lost here? 7.6 is taste. Rhapsody will rule! Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:26:34 -0700 Organization: Dept. of Meteorology - University of Utah Message-ID: <mazulauf-1601970926350001@ctsasync82.cc.utah.edu> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <mazulauf-1301970142590001@sneezy.met.utah.edu> <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net> In article <zxeses-ya02408000R1601970229490001@news.zapcom.net>, zxeses@stop.spams.dead.edu (Zxeses) wrote: > How did we go from "Currently Shipping Mac's" to "Apple is considering > dumping".... I do follow the logic sure, but before we start complaining > about something we know *NOTHING* factual about, lets come to an > understanding that Apple will be reasonable and give major segments of > their user base what they want. For the umpteenth time, Apple is "investigating the work required to support older systems." If you can't see that this means they are considering dumping those older systems then you need to take a reading comprehension course. Here is the relevant blurb: "Apple's goal is for Rhapsody to support all PowerPC-processor based Macintosh hardware sold by Apple and Apple licensees today, and all upcoming products including the PowerPC Platform, also known as CHRP. Apple is investigating the work required to support older systems as well." from "Mac OS and NeXT Technologies FAQ." http://macos.apple.com/macos/releases/rhapsody/faq.rhap.html > Why must they say so soon? Why can't you wait until it actually SHIPS > before you hit them with 'shit'?? > > End of the year people, just tell Apple what you want and then wait it out, > don't KILL apple for something they havent don't yet! Once Apple makes the decision, then we won't be able to influence it at all. Do you understand that? The whole point of all this bitching is to let Apple know that they _must_ decide to support the NuBus PowerMacs! Another reason to act soon is that many people will not want to sink much money into a sytem that may be a dead-ender. I know that I am delaying purchasing anything major for my Mac - I've heard similar sentiments for others. In case you haven't heard, sales of Mac software are dropping - this does nothing to help the platform. See the following URL for more info: (http://www.macweek.com/top_stories/nw_soft_sales.html > A loyal mac addict, Apple lover, and all around resonable guy, who would > rather eat razors and lead paint then use Winsuck-Anything. If Apple stops > MAKING computers, I will stop USING computers. Well good for you. Most of us are a little more balanced than that. For me, to quit using computers would mean having to enter a completely new line of work, and throwing a way many years of education. Mike -- Mike Zulauf mazulauf@atmos.met.utah.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: frank@OneVision.de (Frank Pohl) Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Message-ID: <E4GFrG.7qu@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:30:52 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc article <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might could get the > cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial ;-) > > Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac (sort of a play on "The > NeXT Computer" [original name of the next cube]) ... > > anyone else? How about "Next Round" or "Macxt Round"? Means: Apple vs. Microsoft Apple OS vs. MS Windows Next Cube vs. Apple Mac Next vs. the world Frank
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Formatting JAZ-Disks Date: 23 Jan 1997 12:48:33 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5c7mn1$r5j@hagen.amg.de> Hi there, does anyone know, how to format a JAZ Disc (IOMEGA) under NEXTSTEP 3.3 ?? Thanks, Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: John Palkovic <palkovic@fnal.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 16 Jan 1997 11:24:21 -0600 Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL Sender: palkovic@petcon2.fnal.gov Message-ID: <u73n2u9o7ne.fsf@petcon2.fnal.gov> References: <AEFD791D-5A322@206.173.240.191> <sword-1201971008080001@line003.nwm.mindlink.net> <howarth-ya02408000R1201971337270001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <eilersm-1201971448040001@192.0.2.1> <turnefh-ya02408000R1501971740550001@news.earthlink.net> turnefh@mail.auburn.edu ("Fred H. Turner, III") writes: > Oh, really? I "really need and will use" a modern OS, but, you know, > Michael, I just haven't gotten around to having a couple thousand extra > bucks in my pocket to replace this rickety old, piece-o'-shit 7100 of mine > with. Sure, it hardly runs and is so slow that I'd rather use my old Mac > Classic, ... Fred, thanks for your cogent and relevant commentary. I have a Performa 6116 at home, should I throw it in the dumpster tonight and then kill myself? It may not run Rhapsody, and life just has no meaning for me anymore. Why, oh why did I buy a Nubus Powermac? * Sincerely, -John -- palkovic@fnal.gov http://users.net66.com/~jp home: palkovic@usa.net MIME and pgp welcome. * Insert :-) if you are humor-impaired.
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 17:36:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5blou9$ia8@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Christopher C. Wood (christw@lexis-nexis.com) wrote: : On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. : It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit : ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A : lot like increasing the clock speed. Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that 68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit processor. : Chris : -- : Speaking only for myself, of course. : Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:08:19 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net> In article <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>, jchan@apk.net says... > In article <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>, jrudd@cygnus.com wrote: > > > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > > > > > > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) > > > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might could get the > > cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial ;-) > > > > Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac (sort of a play on "The > > NeXT Computer" [original name of the next cube]) ... > > > > anyone else? > > MacOS 8. > How about NEXTSTEP 5.0? Kevin.
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: using modem through terminal Date: 23 Jan 97 09:20:13 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan23092013@slave.one.net> References: da50dc76b8a9ab0a92bd8388bd37a636 - <199701221441.JAA04662@nerc.com> In-reply-to: Timothy J Luoma's message of Wed, 22 Jan 97 09:41:51 -0500 In article <199701221441.JAA04662@nerc.com>, Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> writes: Responding To: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Original Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:08:23 -0500 > i just bought an 040 25 cube and a modem. how do i dial into my > ISP through terminal. ie. how do i issue the ATDT ###-#### > command) I use kermit You can also do "cu -l /dev/cufa -s 19200" to connect to the modem with serial port a (with hardware flow control) at speed 19200. Use cua for non-hardware-flow-control (you've _gotta_ have hardware flow control, though), cufb/cub for serial port b. Might try ttyfa/ttya/ttyfb/ttyb, also, I can't recall if the permissions are set appropriately by default or not. *pant*, *pant*. There's also a hack way to transfer a file. On the remote system, type "uuencode filename filename", then watch the data fly. Once it's done, copy the entire buffer and run "paste | uudecode". Note that this only works reasonably if you have a solid connection end-to-end. That can be used to download kermit, which can do file transfers more robustly. Or zmodem, which can be used to do file transfers from within cu. Or ppp to create a real live internet connection. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: killer apps for Apple/NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1997 01:31:25 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins Message-ID: <5bk0dd$jnq@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> Cc: ziziz@worldnet.att.net In <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao wrote: > Dean Hall is looking for killer apps for Apple/NeXT OS. He says: > "So far > most of the stories have been about > Apple , I would really like to know > about how the deal affects NeXT > developers. Does anyone have a > killer app in the works? What about > game developers? " > in his webpage http://members.tripod.com/~dehall/nextstep.html One of the companies I contract for may just have the "killer app". Imagine building first class OpenStep objects (especially highly graphical animating ones) with no code at all. This thing could put Visual Basic out of the picture and or be a great way to build Visual Basic component ware. My company is in fact working on a high end game using all of the latest greatest NeXT technology. Sorry I can not give details. P.S. Renderman was already available for Mac
From: Randall Dean <rwd@cronald.osf.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Date: 23 Jan 1997 12:35:31 -0500 Organization: Open Software Foundation Message-ID: <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) writes: I believe they use Mach 2.0 and NOT 2.5. > > In article <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, > Jon Tidswell <jont@mri.mq.edu.au> wrote: > >[ Note Cross posts ] > > > >Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, > >NeXT is using. > > NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/Mach use a 2.5 kernel with NeXT extensions (I don't > remember exactly what those are at the moment...) > > -- > David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca > Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ > University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer > Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual -- Randall W. Dean r.dean@opengroup.org The Open Group Research Institute http://www.opengroup.org/~rwd 11 Cambridge Center (617) 621-7310 Cambridge, MA 02142 FAX: (617) 621-8696
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 23 Jan 1997 20:29:25 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5c8hn5$9t8@news.digifix.com> References: <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> <5c4f7v$l98@news.digifix.com> <32E640C7.4A09@ubs.com> In-Reply-To: <32E640C7.4A09@ubs.com> On 01/22/97, Vlod Kalicun wrote: >Scott Anguish wrote: >> >> On 01/21/97, Vlod Kalicun wrote: >> >Michael Alfonso Visconti wrote: >> > >> >> But COPLAND was scrapped, remember? This is a different OS entirely- it >> >> is NOT the remains of Copland at all. So what was said about Copland >> >> does not necessarilly hold true for NextMacOS. They publically said >> >> they scrapped it. There were no half truths about that. Copland died. >> >> >> > >> >It was my impression that parts of copland would be incorporated into >> >rapsody. There is a LOT of cool stuff in copland! >> > >> >> Is there any information on this on Apple web site? > >Hmmm.. I've 'read' somewhere that Hancok has not committed to using the mac >kernal. (sorry this is a bit lame). I think shes just investigating all possibility >and by not using mach, this may help her remove the unix aspect. > Sorry, my question was incorrectly worded I guess. I'm looking for information on Copland as a whole. <snip> >I think most mac users will freak when they see the command line. I *know* >that the front end *should* take care of everything.. but whats the reality. >My knowledge of the NEXT is limited. Do you have to mess with sendmail, crontab, >/dev etc? > nope. not if you don't want to. crontab is a functionality that can easily be exploited by a UI though.. >They have put in substantial resources into Copland and since OPENSTEP is kernal >independant, theres no reason for them not to evaulate putting it on Copland's >kernal. > Certainly... by my question is if there was anything compelling about Copland that would make it a better choice... -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hgromard@xlan (Herve de GROMARD) Subject: Notebook under NeXTSTEP 3.3 or 4.1 Message-ID: <E4H3HM.ADC@x-lan.alienor.fr> Sender: news@x-lan.alienor.fr Organization: x&lan Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:03:22 GMT Hy, Can anybody indicates us where we can buy a notebook compatible with NeXTSTEP 3.3. That notebook should be equiped with a PCMCIA modem (fax - with NxFAX) and a PCMCIA Ethernet adaptor (Thank you to precise which products are compatible with NeXTSTEP 3.3). Thank you to reply at : --
# Herve de GROMARD # email/NeXTmail/MIME:hgromard@x-lan.alienor.fr # # X&LAN - FRANCE # Tel:(+33) 5 56 40 89 93 Fax:(+33) 5 56 40 57 99 # ####################################################################### #################################################################### From: TimT@asiatlanta.com (Tim Triemstra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 19:06:09 GMT Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <5c8d55$9lv@client3.news.psi.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net> In article <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>, jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) wrote: >> Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac (sort of a play on "The > >> NeXT Computer" [original name of the next cube]) ... >> >> anyone else? > >MacOS 8. I would have to believe that they will leave behind the MacOS name because of the diverging paths of OS development (ie: new 7.x series releases will continue - supposedly - even after Rhapsody is released.) I would expect, however, that the call it something equally boring like MacOS for Mach v1.0 or something of that nature... Tim Triemstra ....... TimT@ASIAtlanta.com Alpha Star International, Atlanta GA USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: NeXT/NEXTSTEP T-shirt and mug? Message-ID: <cdoutyE4H86n.JCK@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <01bc06c2$a9cc6ca0$240246cb@athena> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:44:46 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom21.netcom.com In article <01bc06c2$a9cc6ca0$240246cb@athena>, Danny Lau <jest0038@tp.silkera.net> wrote: > >Three years ago I worked for a project on NEXTSTEP/Intel, >and my associates had this booklet called "NeXT Promotional >Items". It is a company called Hermann Marketing which >sells NeXT t-shirts, mugs, jackets, ... etc. > >Does it still sell these things? If it does, how can I contact >them? Or does anyone else make NeXT promotional gimmicks these days? I just happen to have a copy of that booklet right here. It's dated 5/93 so I wouldn't get my hopes too high. "All quantities while supplies last. To order call (800) 972-1331" They also have a fax number at (314) 432-1818. It looks like the warehouse is in St. Louis, but I can't find a postal address. I'd guess that the company is still in business. They might have some NeXT goodies lying about, but high demand items like mugs, sweaters, and hats are probably gone. Good luck, I think I'll give 'em a call too. -Chris Douty -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: Greg Davis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Turbo Color Slab can't read MAC CD-ROM Date: 23 Jan 1997 16:41:51 GMT Organization: Shentel Message-ID: <5c84cf$he@head.globalcom.net> OK Sports fans, here's a strange one, and I hope some smart NeXT-O-Phile can shed some light on THIS one! I'm using a NeXT Turbo color slab, NS3.2. I recently purchased a T_Maker CD-ROM clipart set (the 65,000 Image Pak, Macintosh flavor). I inserted the first disk, and voila, everything is as it should be. Disk mounts OK, filesystem is visible, and the image files are there to be used. I then inserted the second disc, and the disc mounts, but appears to have no contents! Console said mac disc mounted OK. Going through the rest of the discs, three work fine but five are the same---unreadable. Another clue: The successfully mounted/visible discs have red apple at the upper right hand side of the Disc icon, but the "other" ones have no apple present. Also, using inspector to check attributes, the good discs have check marks in all the matrix boxes, but the bad discs have no write permission. I am at a loss to explain this one away. T-Maker said they would replace the discs, but something tells me that ain't the problem. I'm wondering if some parameter during disc manufacture was altered slightly, resulting in the variation in the attributes of the eight discs. Any thoughts? Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Markus G <markusg@burrow.muc.de> Subject: Re: PopOver + procmail ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <7x4tghtcys.fsf@burrow.muc.de> To: Toshinao Ishii <ici@osk.threewebnet.or.jp> Sender: tm@burrow.muc.de (the mole) Organization: hardly any. . . References: <x6pvz6g34q.fsf@giocoso.ici.net.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.92) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:30:35 GMT >>>>> "TI" == Toshinao Ishii <ici@giocoso.ici.net.jp> writes: TI> Is there any way to pass emails received by using PopOver (or TI> other pop client) to procmail ? PopOver puts mail in your regular mail queue (if I'm not mistaken) that's the same place where "regular" procmail gets its mail. Shouldn't be a problem. General remark: to use procmail with NeXT Mailboxes you need the appnmail utility by Carl Edman and Tom Hageman. Markus G
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:31:16 -0600 From: poundmacvits@hotmail.com Subject: OpenStep - OS or environment? Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <853364334.28236@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service The media has been making a number of confusing and contradictory claims about what OpenStep is and I hope someone can settle a few things for me. First of all I had initially understood that OpenStep was the former NeXTStep operating system that used the Mach (2.5?) microkernal and which had been ported to just about every major cpu around. I also thought that OpenStep Enterprise was an application development environment that let developers create applications that would run on different operating system systems, such as Solaris or WindowsNT, providing that they had the OpenStep APIs. However now I read reports (mostly from macuser) that suggest that OpenStep is simply a layer that can be placed on different operating systems, such as a WindowsNT system (kernal). If this is true then its not necessary to 'port' OpenStep to other CPU's, such as a pentium, because it'll already run on the OS, eg, solaris. Which is it? Both? -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Message-ID: <32E796ED.65CB@lhep.unibe.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:53 +0100 From: Juerg Beringer <beringer@lhep.unibe.ch> Organization: Laboratory for High Energy Physics, University of Bern MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software CC: beringer@lhep.unibe.ch Subject: Access to NS/Intel boot time options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it possible to access within the rc startup scripts the options entered at the NeXTStep (V3.3) boot prompt of an Intel machine? I am using e.g. config=SCSI at the boot prompt to load the device drivers according to a table SCSI.table (in /usr/Devices/System.config) instead of the standard Instance0 table. For different reasons I'd like to know in the startup scripts which options (if any) were selected. Thanks for any hints! Juerg Beringer E-mail: beringer@lhep.unibe.ch
From: Tal Lancaster <tlan@fa.disney.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need NeXT-friendly ISP in L.A. area Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:06:48 -0800 Organization: The Walt Disney Company Message-ID: <32E7FD18.2781@fa.disney.com> References: <853964889.7833@dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas McCarthy wrote: > > Hi, > > I have given up on dialing in to my employer (Univ. of SoCal) to collect > my mail/surf/etc. It is just too busy and too difficult. I am looking for > a new PPP provider in the L.A. area (I'd prefer the 818 area code), and I > am hoping that there's a NeXT user somewhere who has such a connection > who'd be willing to share scripts and/or Gatekeeper files to make this go > as smoothly as possible. I haven't been able to collect my mail in 2 > weeks, and I need to get up and running again as soon as possible. > > I can receive mail (but not NeXTmail!) at this address: > > tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom > ----- > Thomas McCarthy > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I am using pacbell and it wasn't too bad setting up. The bad news is in order to setup and account you must use their software which only runs on Windows or NT. But once that is done one can use whatever OS you want. I am successfully using it under NS, Linux, NT, and Win95. -- "If somebody was to say my rabbit, wasn't my rabbit, I'd tweek his little, tomato nose." -- B. Bunny Tal Lancaster Technical Director, Disney Feature Animation email: tlan@fa.disney.com WEB: The RenderMan Repository (http://pete.cs.caltech.edu/RMR/)
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:52:50 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Imtxqmm00iV9AA4xQx@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> In-Reply-To: <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Jan-97 Re: OS Componenets of OpenS.. by Randall Dean@cronald.osf > dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) writes: > I believe they use Mach 2.0 and NOT 2.5. It's somewhat up to question. Since I've never had access to NeXT's source code, I have to describe things from what I know of CMU's versions of Mach. What NeXT calls "Mach 2.5" is somewhere between what CMU calls Mach 2.0 and Mach 2.5. CMU Mach added NFS and user-level paging objects as the major externally visible functionality-- NeXT's Mach has NFS but not user-level paging objects. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: ldubois@syndetics.be (Luc Dubois) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:05:15 +0100 Organization: Syndetics Research Message-ID: <1997012412051516151134@pool011-126.innet.be> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net> <5c8d55$9lv@client3.news.psi.net> Tim Triemstra <TimT@asiatlanta.com> wrote: > jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) wrote: > >> Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac > > > >MacOS 8. > > I would have to believe that they will leave behind the MacOS name because of > the diverging paths of OS development (ie: new 7.x series releases will > continue - supposedly - even after Rhapsody is released.) I would expect, > however, that the call it something equally boring like MacOS for Mach v1.0 or > something of that nature... QuickStep, QuickStep, I wanna do the QuickStep... OK, Apple has QuickTime as a cross-platform technology, there is (still) some thought of having QuickDraw (the GX and 3D flavors) as a cross-platform technology, what better name could they choose for the cross-platform OS, I ask you. Oh, that's right, you asked me... Luc -- Syndetics Research | Authors of Synema(tm) Director (c) 1992-1996. Herderstraat 1 | Thesaurus construction software for the 3740 Bilzen - Belgium | Information Retrieval industry.
From: Aeldrik Pander <aeldrik@delphi.tn.tudelft.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Logitec Mouse on a NeXT Keyboard Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:47:34 +0100 Organization: Technical University Delft, Lab. Seismics & Acoustics Message-ID: <32E89346.2C4D@delphi.tn.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, About two years ago I read some documentation on a WWW-site about wiring a Logitec bus mouse to a NeXT Keyboard. This was done by simply replacing the plug and rewiring some of the coloured wires. I really don't know where to find the site anymore (wiped bookmarks). Anyone knows about this item or can tell me more ? Cheers ! Aeldrik ------------------------------------------------------------ Aeldrik Pander aeldrik@delphi.tn.tudelft.nl Lab. Seismics & Acoustics room D252 Delft Technical University +31 15 2782021 ------------------------------------------------------------
From: jens@necromancer.pop-frankfurt.com (Jens Kleemann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Feedback to Apple about MacOS and Rhapsody Date: 24 Jan 1997 11:28:59 GMT Organization: IPf.net - Frankfurt, Germany Message-ID: <5ca6dr$3ik@main.ipf.de> References: <32E640C7.4A09@ubs.com> <lewisda-ya023580001301971423110001@news.dal.ca> <AEFFE2E9-33667@206.173.240.224> <E40EAx.2u1@icgned.nl> <howarth-ya02408000R1401971845550001@news.ececs.uc.edu> <32E4F261.739A@ubs.com> <5c4f7v$l98@news.digifix.com>? In-Reply-To: <32E640C7.4A09@ubs.com> >I think most mac users will freak when they see the command line. I *know* >that the front end *should* take care of everything.. but whats the reality. >My knowledge of the NEXT is limited. Do you have to mess with sendmail, crontab, >/dev etc? Yes we have, but it would be a 1 week hack for some next-programmers to write a nice gui frontend for that tools (except sendmail, but its complexity should seldom be needed). B.T.W. If Apple forgets some Gui for a nice unix tool - then there are enough programmers out to fill this gap !! -- Jens Kleemann NeXTSTEP, UNIX Developer Berliner Str. 235 WWW,HTML,CGI,DATABASE 63067 Offenbach Custom Projects Tel: 0049 69 888791 Administration jkleemann@acm.org kleemann@stud.uni-frankfurt.de ---- NeXTMail + MIME welcome -------------------------
From: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! User account keeps quitting... Date: 24 Jan 1997 07:16:26 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5c9nka$k2m$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> PROBLEM: When I login as user, the usual, expected things happen: dock appears Desktop seems to build, THEN the color wheel (or beach ball, if you prefer) spins for a few seconds and THEN the machine quits, reverting back to the login box-----again and again. However, if I login as root everything is OK. I've created yet another user account, no problems, then logged out and tried logging in as the new user, but to no avail. Same story as the 1st user. Also I've inspected the all of the "dot-files (like .NeXT). Nothing seems to be out of order. Tried changing their names temporarily (to .33Appinfo from .Appinfo, for example), [after making a copy of these, for safety reasons]. Still no dice. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance... answer here or my email: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca Seamus -- If I can't die happily-- I'd rather not die at all. Anon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701231416.JAA09587@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: c463de9520085179994d6eecc11b8a02 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:16:05 -0500 Subject: Re: PPP on the NeXTNeXTNeXT Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: c463de9520085179994d6eecc11b8a02 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: severine@itis.com (S. Roberts) Original Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:49:04 -0600 > Alrighty, I've got my Moosman NeXT. So, what might you kids suggest > insofar as PPP apps, etc., to run this puppy? If you have a browser (of any sort) checkout http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ that has all the links you should need -- and if it doesn't, drop me a note. Follow the "OmniWeb" icon if you need a NeXTStep web browser Some helpful links: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next (PEAK FTP site -- the one I work at) ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next (Peanuts FTP site -- in Germany, also excellent -- you can also find the FAQ at their site: http://peanuts.leo.org/index-e.html ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.5b2/OmniWeb.2.5b2.N.tar.gz (for the OmniWeb browser I mentioned above) http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ The PPP FAQ can be found at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/NeXT_PPP_FAQ.html Drop me a note or drop by my web page for more info. I've tried to make my page a place where someone who doesn't know anything about NS can drop by and find the links they need for what they need -- so if you need something that isn't there, drop me a note so the next person who needs it will find it there. Sounds simple, eh? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: TimT@asiatlanta.com (Tim Triemstra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cost of a NeXT Web Site? Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 14:32:19 GMT Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <5bo2s9$d3q@client3.news.psi.net> References: <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu> In article <5bjnc2$b79@news.asu.edu>, sugee@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > >I doubt that many advocates and customers like Chylser, CyberSlice, >Nissan, and etc. as the list goes on, will argue about the merits of >using NeXT's Web technologies for deploying their Web sites. We have all >heard plenty and are proud of what is being accomplished. > >However, what I haven't heard anything about, something which curiously >dawned on me recently and after reviewing what some of these folks are >doing, is the cost of implementing and deploying these Web Sites. Can >anybody provide approximate costs or actual figures of sites like these? >I do respect people's anonymity. Sue, I think you would have to be looking at a developers' license (enterprise as they are calling it now) for $5000 and the WebObjects product which will run you around $25,000 from my memories :) I am not sure exactly what this gets you because there are issues of linking to databases etc that could require extra costs but I think that $30,000 will pretty much cover your up-front costs. Tim Triemstra ....... TimT@ASIAtlanta.com Alpha Star International, Atlanta GA USA
From: "Ala'a H. Jawad" <aljawad@kuwait.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:13:16 +0400 Organization: Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite Message-ID: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net> <MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Pompei wrote: > How about NEXTSTEP 5.0? Ammmm, in that case the name "Rhapsody" will be "Mecca" in my book :-) -A l a ' a
From: shawk@panix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: 24 Jan 1997 13:08:28 GMT Organization: Digital Telemedia Inc. Message-ID: <5cac8c$hik$1@maceo.dti.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> Cc: jrudd@cygnus.com In <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > > > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might could get the > cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial ;-) > > Other possabilities? SuperStep, MacStep, The NeXT Mac (sort of a play on "The > NeXT Computer" [original name of the next cube]) ... > > anyone else? Windows2005
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:41:35 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> Cc: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam This was written in comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep (<jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com>) by Jason S.: > Excuse me? My post was obviously pointing out just how petty an argument > over who posted what first was. First, you were not invited to comment on this! Second, the history of the posting had its importance in that case. But that's beyond you... > And my having "brain between my ears" > [sic] is completely unrelated to my knowing whether or not you have the > common sense to realize that when you and Lance posted has no relationship > to when you and Lance read said posts. You still don't get it! Too subtile for you I guess... Don't feel the need to answer me. I couldn't read your posts anymore! mc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Resent-From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Resent-Message-Id: <199701231422.JAA09661@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701231422.JAA09661@nerc.com> Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:22:15 -0500 Resent-To: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 4c5d38e21c3c93947654de4180eb3bf0 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:21:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Clock stops after logout in Black Hardware References: 4c5d38e21c3c93947654de4180eb3bf0 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> Original Date: 23 Jan 1997 01:38:46 GMT > Is there an easy solution to fixing the clock on > your Cube if the clock stops when the machine is > turned off. Sounds like a dead battery. Goto any camera shop and ask for the CR123. These are available for about $9 each. Actually, that's the # for a slab battery, I'm not 100% sure if they are the same. You might be able to tell by bringing your battery to the camera shop. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: jens@necromancer.pop-frankfurt.com (Jens Kleemann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: 24 Jan 1997 18:31:47 GMT Organization: IPf.net - Frankfurt, Germany Message-ID: <5cav6j$mi5@main.ipf.de> References: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com>?<32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com>?<59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>?<59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>?<5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org>?<32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net>?<32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com>?<5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de>?<5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>?<32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net>?<5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>?<jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>?<MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com>?96 In-Reply-To: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> On 01/24/97, "Ala'a H. Jawad" wrote: >Kevin Pompei wrote: > >> How about NEXTSTEP 5.0? > >Ammmm, in that case the name "Rhapsody" will be "Mecca" in my book :-) How about !babylon (Mac,Openstep,Java (even windows with softwindows), Postscript,...., Perl (aehm :-) ))! without negative thoughts .... -- Jens Kleemann NeXTSTEP, UNIX Developer Berliner Str. 235 WWW,HTML,CGI,DATABASE 63067 Offenbach Custom Projects Tel: 0049 69 888791 Administration jkleemann@acm.org kleemann@stud.uni-frankfurt.de ---- NeXTMail + MIME welcome -------------------------
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: 25 Jan 1997 00:55:47 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5cblmj$s8r@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5cac8c$hik$1@maceo.dti.net> <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > shawk@panix.com wrote: > > In <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: > > > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > > > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) > > > > > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might > > > could get the cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial > > > ;-) > > Just a note...I didn't come up with the MaX name... I believe > Lawson English came up with MaXT, and then someone else shortened > it to MaX. I in all my un-originality said that's neeto :) BTW, > that would be pretty neeto, that MaX commic dude...but not exactly > a family oriented character... Watch out mickey...ooohhh :) > I of course, would favor NEXTSTEP 5. But someone suggested a new name which I liked --- APEX. It fits in with the Unix naming conventions---Irix, AIX, HPUX---and it has AP as in APPLE, and it has the imagery of the top of the mountain. You climb the mountain and guess what is growing up at the top? An apple tree, of course. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhapsody running OpenStep, Nextstep & MacOS???? Date: 24 Jan 1997 21:47:12 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5cbs7g$vig@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <32E961CD.20D6@ozemail.com.au> In article <32E961CD.20D6@ozemail.com.au>, Greg Alexander <galexand@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > I know very little of Next's products. My _guess_ is that they > include OpenStep an operating environment, and NextStep a System. > OpenStep actually runs on top of NextStep. Yes.. though they have renamed the latest version of NEXTSTEP to "OPENSTEP for Mach", to add to the confusion. :) > Applications written for NextStep run only on NextStep, but > OpenStep run on NextStep or ANYTHING that OpenStep runs on > (including NT?). Yes.. well, you have to recompile for each architecture and have separate binaries, but they all share the same source code. > So my question is about Rhapsody. > We've heard Rhapsody will run MacOS stuff. Whatabout Next Stuff? OpenStep NeXT stuff, yes. But an OpenStep version of NEXTSTEP has only recently existed; most of the available software for is written for the old NEXTSTEP, not OpenStep. That probably won't run on Rhapsody. > Will Rhapsody applications be portable like OpenStep? Yes. Rhapsody will _be_ OpenStep. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br (Carlos Andre (pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT/NEXTSTEP T-shirt and mug? Date: 24 Jan 1997 23:01:10 GMT Organization: The Pubah Foundation Message-ID: <5cbevm$hqm@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> References: <01bc06c2$a9cc6ca0$240246cb@athena> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Danny Lau wrote: Three years ago I worked for a project on NEXTSTEP/Intel, and my associates had this booklet called "NeXT Promotional Items". It is a company called Hermann Marketing which sells NeXT t-shirts, mugs, jackets, ... etc. Does it still sell these things? If it does, how can I contact them? Or does anyone else make NeXT promotional gimmicks these days? I appreciate your information for alliviating my nostalgia... --- ... Toi, mon amour, ou es-tu ce moment et ce soir? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Danne, Take a look at my previous Hermann Marketing solicitation Date: 30 Dec 1996 09:51:17 -0500 From: "SPO_2" <team2@hermann.com> To: "Carlos Andre" <pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br> Carlos Please find below the quote you requested for the Next merchandise. Please note minimum order quantities on the t-shirts and sweatshirts is 72 pieces, 1500 decals, 144 mugs, 50 desk folders, and 50 tote bags. Please feel free to call if you have questions. 800-590-1001 ________________________________________________ From: SPO_5 on Mon, Dec 30, 1996 9:16 AM To: SPO_2 TO: CARLOS ANDRE GOMES DE SILVA HERE IS THE QUOTE YOU PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED. QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS CALL US HERE AT HERMANN MARKETING. THANK YOU. ------------------------------------------------------------- 01) THE CLASSIC NEXT LOGO T-SHIRT ITEM # 5180 $4.95 ------------------------------------------------------------- XXL UPCHARGE.............. $1.70 ------------------------------------------------------------- 02) THE NEXTSTEP LOGO T-SHIRT ITEM # 5180 $5.95 ------------------------------------------------------------- (7) SCREEN CHARGE......... $20.00 EA. XXL UPCHARGE.............. $1.70 ------------------------------------------------------------- 03) PENCILS 500 PC. MINIMUM ITEM # PB11 $.20 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- (2) SCREEN CHARGE......... $22.00 EA. (2) PMS MATCH CHARGE...... $28.00 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- 04) CROSS CLASSIC BLACK PENS ITEM # 2502 $21.10 ------------------------------------------------------------- 24 PC. MINIMUM ------------------------------------------------------------- 05) DECALS ITEM # 3238 $.10 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- (5) SCREEN CHARGE........ $50.65 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- 06) TURTLENECK BY VANTAGE ITEM # 0250 $20.95 ------------------------------------------------------------- (5) SCREEN CHARGE........ $20.00 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- 07) GLASS MUG ITEM # 511 $5.40 ------------------------------------------------------------- SET-UP CHARGE............. $42.50 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- 08) LEATHER DESK FOLDER ITEM # L-58221 $85.20 ------------------------------------------------------------- DIE CHARGE................ $33.75 ------------------------------------------------------------- 09) NEXT SWEATSHIRT (BLACK) ITEM # 18230 RD $16.10 ------------------------------------------------------------- (5) SCREEN CHARGE........ $20.00 EA. ------------------------------------------------------------- 10) MEDIUM ZIPPER TOTE BAG ITEM # 138 $11.95 ------------------------------------------------------------- SCREEN CHARGE............ $41.25 ------------------------------------------------------------- 11) MOUSE PAD ITEM # FP1 $3.70 ------------------------------------------------------------- PRINT RUN CHARGE......... $560.00 500 PC. MINIMUM carlos andre The Pubah Foundation pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br rio de janeiro - brazil rio 2004 - candidate city
From: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: So what do I need to catch the Apple/Next wave?? Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 08:04:25 GMT Organization: Arkona, LLC Message-ID: <32e9bad9.14819349@news.xmission.com> References: <5brihp$1hti@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> warnerr@beethoven.cs.colostate.edu ( richard warner) wrote: > I have the NEXTSTEP 3.3 Developer system. A proud owner of a >Color NEXTSTATION - until just recently prepping to buy high-end >laptop (six solid years from the NEXT, not bad). Had pretty well given >up on NEXT *gasp* until the big news. WOOHOO!! LIFE. Way to go Stevey. > So now I'm wondering, can I load NS on the laptop and then load >Win/95 under it to access my office productivity stuff - or should I get >the SoftPC emulator? What do I need to do/can I get both NS and Win/95 >on the same box, preferably Win/95 running in a window under NS. Well, softpc runs only Win3.1 stuff last I heard. The best way to do it is to have two partitions on your hard drive. One for OPENSTEP for Mach, one for Win95 or NT. When you boot you can choose to go into either. Under NEXTSTEP you will be able to access the FILES on your Win95 partition, but you won't be able to access your NEXTSTEP stuff under Win95. I have Win95, NT, and OPENSTEP for Mach on my machine. > Another line of questions has to do with development. NEXTSTEP >native vs OPENSTEP. Is there an OPENSTEP developer product for Intel boxes >and do I want it instead of NS native? Is it the product that has a >future?? Yes. You can get either OPENSTEP for Mach (much like what you have on your black box). Or you can get OPENSTEP for Windows NT. Which is basically the OPENSTEP development tools, but in the NT OS. The good part about the OPENSTEP NT is that you can still get at your MS Office apps since they run fine in NT, the downside is that you don't have the nice mach OS, and you can't do any nifty unix things, you don't have all the great NeXT apps like mail, librarian, and, well, it's NT. If you are used to NEXTSTEP, moving to NT is quite annoying. > Another line of questioning - is NS 3.3 Developer the latest/greatest >still for Intel boxes (if OPENSTEP is the way to go - which version?). The latest is 4.1, and I think 4.2 is coming out shortly? > Lastly, a RFO (Request For Opinions) as to which is better as of today: >Buy a new Intel box and put NS/OPENSTEP on it - or wait to purchase until >some hot Apple/NEXT combo hits the market. Of particular interest to >me is in the realm of laptops, but also interested in opinions generally. Good question. I have no idea. I'm holding off on getting an Apple box until I see what horror's they do to the NeXT UI. If Apple keeps their current UI, I'll stick with OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel. :-) If they see-the-light and keep the majority of the current UI, then I will consider getting one. Ciao,
From: Bill Mitchell <bill.mitchell@mercyic.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT OS ?s Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:16:27 -0600 Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Message-ID: <32E942CB.2B61@mercyic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just bought a new cube with NeXT OS 2.0 yesterday. I have seen mention of NeXT OS 3.3. But I can only find Ver 3.0 NeXT OS cd's for sale. What is the current OS version and where/how can I get it? Thanks in advance. Bill Mitchell
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: 24 Jan 1997 23:20:21 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5cac8c$hik$1@maceo.dti.net> shawk@panix.com wrote: > In <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: > > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: > > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) > > > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might > > could get the cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial > > ;-) Just a note...I didn't come up with the MaX name... I believe Lawson English came up with MaXT, and then someone else shortened it to MaX. I in all my un-originality said that's neeto :) BTW, that would be pretty neeto, that MaX commic dude...but not exactly a family oriented character... Watch out mickey...ooohhh :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | You make the best of what's still around...
From: Greg Alexander <galexand@ozemail.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Rhapsody running OpenStep, Nextstep & MacOS???? Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:28:45 +1100 Organization: NHJ NORTHLINK COMMUNICATIONS Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32E961CD.20D6@ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was hoping someone could enlighten me... I know very little of Next's products. My _guess_ is that they include OpenStep an operating environment, and NextStep a System. OpenStep actually runs on top of NextStep. Applications written for NextStep run only on NextStep, but OpenStep run on NextStep or ANYTHING that OpenStep runs on (including NT?). So my question is about Rhapsody. We've heard Rhapsody will run MacOS stuff. Whatabout Next Stuff? AND Will Rhapsody applications be portable like OpenStep? Yes, I have no idea about Next. All of the above could be wrong! So thanks in advance for any info! Greg
From: bchin@us.net (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhapsody running OpenStep, Nextstep & MacOS???? Date: 25 Jan 1997 09:52:04 GMT Organization: US Net - MD,DC,VA ISP - info@us.net Message-ID: <5ccl44$md8@news.us.net> References: <32E961CD.20D6@ozemail.com.au> Greg Alexander <galexand@ozemail.com.au> wrote: >I know very little of Next's products. My _guess_ is that they >include OpenStep an operating environment, and NextStep a System. >OpenStep actually runs on top of NextStep. Not really. See below. >Applications written for NextStep run only on NextStep, but >OpenStep run on NextStep or ANYTHING that OpenStep runs on >(including NT?). Okay. First, there is an issue of binary compatibility. Each different architecture necessitates a recompilation. A NEXTSTEP application is an application written for the NEXTSTEP API's, compiled for a NEXTSTEP supported architecture. That's NeXT machines, select Intel, select HP-RISC, and select SPARC machines. OPENSTEP for Mach, which runs on the same platforms as NEXTSTEP except HP, has the backward compatibility stuff to run NEXTSTEP apps. That means OPENSTEP Enterprise (a.k.a. OPENSTEP for NT) and OPENSTEP for Solaris _cannot_ run NEXTSTEP applications. Nor can they run binaries compiled for OPENSTEP/Mach. Rather, the source code of an OPENSTEP application can be compiled on another OPENSTEP environment, assuming there is nothing in the source code that relies on a particular environment (Mach calls, kits that don't exist on the target platform, etc.). Plus, the OPENSTEP API is slightly different than the NEXTSTEP API's, so NEXTSTEP applications must be converted to OPENSTEP. There are automated tools to help in this, but it still must be cleaned up by hand. >So my question is about Rhapsody. >We've heard Rhapsody will run MacOS stuff. Whatabout Next Stuff? Apple has stated that Rhapsody will be OPENSTEP compliant, which means that applications written to the OPENSTEP API exclusively can be compiled and run on Rhapsody. Also, that means that Rhapsody cannot execute applications compiled for NEXTSTEP nor can it compile source code written for NEXTSTEP. >Will Rhapsody applications be portable like OpenStep? Rhapsody will be OPENSTEP compliant, so it won't be _like_ OPENSTEP, it will be an implementation of OPENSTEP from the original inventors. However, if Apple releases a framework, say, a QuickDraw GX framework that does not exist on other OPENSTEP implementations and an application is written for Rhapsody that uses that framework, then that application cannot be compiled on other OPENSTEP implementations. Clear as mud? BTW, I really don't understand all this fuss about kernels. As long as it supports pre-emptive multitasking, multi-threading, demand-paged and segmented virtual memory system, dynamically loadable kernel modules, fast IPC, flies like a ATF and is as stable as a rock, then I'm happy. How many of us are going to actually write at the kernel level? Hopefully, very, very few. That's the whole point behind the object frameworks. Whether that kernel is Mach, NuKernel, or Bob's Special Super Duper Kernel, who cares except a few engineers at Apple and a few ISVs? I'd rather they fulfill the list above with a 10 year old kernel in which I'll almost never see a kernel panic than if they used a 3 month old kernel that still has to go through teething pains. It's even funnier (and sadder) to see criticisms of Mach 2.x as ancient from people that are running MacOS <= 7.x or DOS/Windows 3.1/95. -- Bill Chin - bchin@us.net - NeXTmail/MIME welcomed
From: Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Root account inactivated Date: 23 Jan 1997 01:42:20 GMT Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5c6fls$p5h$3@news1.slip.net> Hi, I recently purchased a NeXT machine with Black Hardware. Ah, I've used the nu command to change the passwords for all users. But upon changing the password for root a message saying something like "root not active" appears. So I haven't been able to assign the root password. Any suggestions or comments? Thanks, Emmett
From: lkb@lkba.com (Larry Blische) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: 25 Jan 1997 14:42:22 GMT Organization: Charm.Net Baltimore Internet Access, Hon (410) 558-3900 Message-ID: <5cd64e$hon$1@news2.charm.net> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5cac8c$hik$1@maceo.dti.net> <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> <5cblmj$s8r@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Cc: altenber@acpub.duke.edu In <5cblmj$s8r@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Lee Altenberg wrote: >In <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >> shawk@panix.com wrote: >> > In <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: >> > > In <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> Tim Young wrote: >> > > > MacinNeXT? Nexintosh? -can't seem to think of a cool name! >> > > How about PowerStep? (PowerPC/PowerMac + Openstep) >> > > >> > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might >> > > could get the cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial >> > > ;-) >> >> Just a note...I didn't come up with the MaX name... I believe >> Lawson English came up with MaXT, and then someone else shortened >> it to MaX. I in all my un-originality said that's neeto :) BTW, >> that would be pretty neeto, that MaX commic dude...but not exactly >> a family oriented character... Watch out mickey...ooohhh :) >> > >I of course, would favor NEXTSTEP 5. But someone suggested a new name which I >liked --- APEX. It fits in with the Unix naming conventions---Irix, AIX, >HPUX---and it has AP as in APPLE, and it has the imagery of the top of the >mountain. You climb the mountain and guess what is growing up at the top? An >apple tree, of course. Gotta get the 'e' right tho': APeX -- Larry Blische * Consultant/Programmer * UNIX/X/NEXTSTEP/Embedded Systems/Etc. LKB Associates, Inc. * 1000 Fell Street * Baltimore, Maryland 21231 USA 410 804 1828 * NeXT, MIME and ASCII mail Welcome! lkb@lkba.com * http://www.charm.net/~lkb/
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 23 Jan 1997 07:14:11 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5c7343$3fv@news.digifix.com> References: <E4E78y.Mu0@gorilla.nbn.com> In-Reply-To: <E4E78y.Mu0@gorilla.nbn.com> On 01/21/97, Tim Holmes wrote: > >So a great deal has been said about what NeXT will do >to or for Apple, but has anyone heard any details on >what's in store for NeXT? > >Since I work in a mostly Mac environment, but need to use >an Intel machine, I would like to be able to use NeXTStep >if it could run Mac programs and do file sharing and the >other Appletalk/networking stuff. > >Rumors, etc, welcome. > There is a new letter on NeXT's site from Dr. Ameilo that explains the plans for NeXT products. Although what you are describing is pretty much Apple Rhapsody. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: Brian Sutherland <bcs@onramp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Networking NeXTs Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:58:45 -0600 Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <32EA3BC5.7858@onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXT Turbo Dimension and NeXT Turbo Color Station. One has a NeXT Color Printer and one has a CDROM drive. I want to be able to share these devices between the two computers. I only have the Academic version of NeXTSTEP 3.3 and no real good manuals. I do not know how to set up a Netinfo or any type of NeXT server. Can anyone help me via email or phone? Or if you have any lead to where I can find NeXT networking information it would be helpful. Please reply to both email and newsgroup so I do not miss your answer. Thanx -Brian bcs@onramp.net
From: Stefano Pagiola <spagiola@worldbank.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Formatting JAZ-Disks Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:37:52 -0500 Organization: World Bank Message-ID: <32EA5300.63C4@worldbank.org> References: <5c7mn1$r5j@hagen.amg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Mocker wrote: > does anyone know, how to format a JAZ Disc (IOMEGA) under NEXTSTEP 3.3 ?? There's a NeXTAnswer on this. Go to NeXTAnswers and search for Jaz. -- Stefano Pagiola 850 N Randolph Str No.817, Arlington VA 22203, USA All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
From: kroger@ucla.edu (kroger@ucla.edu) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:00:55 -0700 Organization: UCLA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> In article <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > This was written in > comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep > (<jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com>) by Jason > S.: > > > Excuse me? My post was obviously pointing out just how petty an > argument > > over who posted what first was. > > First, you were not invited to comment on this! > Second, the history of the posting had its importance in that case. But > that's beyond you... > Not invited to comment? Not invited to comment? You post on usenet for millions to see and you say somebody was not invited to comment? How big an idiot can somebody be? I don't know what your argument was about (nor do I care) but I don't like to miss a chance to tell an idiot what an idiot he is.
From: Roger Brisson <rob1@psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: using modem through terminal Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 15:16:00 -0500 Organization: Pennsylvania State University Message-ID: <32EA6A00.46EC@psu.edu> References: <32E50617.1DC8@gl.umbc.edu> <E4DKoA.Lp@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Allan Noordvyk <allan@cetus.ali.bc.ca> Allan Noordvyk wrote: > > In comp.sys.next.misc Gregory Pacholczyk wrote: > > i just bought an 040 25 cube and a modem. how do i dial into my ISP > > through terminal. ie. how do i issue the ATDT ###-#### command) > > You want to use the tip command. You can find out more via > "man tip", but here's the basics: > > If you have a 14.4 modem on serial port A, you will probably > want to add the following lines to your /etc/remote file: > > fast|cufa19200|Dial-out on cufa at top speed (currently 19200 baud):\ > :dv=/dev/cufa:br#19200:tc=BASIC: > > You would then type the command: > > tip fast > > and then you would have a direct connection to your modem at > 19200 baud rate (faster than 14.4 so that you can handle bursts > of data which uncompresses at a faster effective rate than 14.4). > At this point you should type your AT command. > > If you want a nice GUI for handling of this (as well as zmodem > file transfers, etc.) you might want to purchase TipTop.app from > Tip Top software. > > If you want to do more than have a terminal window into > your ISP (ie. you would like surf the web) you should ask about > setting up a PPP network connection. > I have a couple of related questions re: modem use. Is there a way to tell what the baud rate is for a given connection? I do use kermit for some work, but is there another way of getting vital stats for a modem connection? Also, is it possible with NeXTStep PPP to establish a 28.8 or above connection (assuming the ISP supports this)?
From: Roger Brisson <rob1@psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP on the NeXTNeXTNeXT Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 15:26:26 -0500 Organization: Pennsylvania State University Message-ID: <32EA6C72.5E29@psu.edu> References: c463de9520085179994d6eecc11b8a02 - <199701231416.JAA09587@nerc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: luomat@peak.org On a related PPP topic: So far I can only get PPP going using kermit with ppp 2.2. I'd like to make getting a connection friendlier, and I have downloaded the SimpleInternextStarter software, along with DialUp, but before this will work I need to add some script to the SIS login procedure for the connection to work. I've tried adding the necessary text to my 'chat' file that includes my login id and password, but this gave me a 'fatal error' during the login. The ISP login requires that I specify which type of connection I wish to make after providing the password (PPP, SLIP, etc), and this is the script I have to add. I'm hoping someone can provide some assistance on this. Also, does Mail.app work with PPP and POP mail? Is there a way to make it work? -- Roger Brisson (rob1@psu.edu)
From: stop@spam.com (see sig for my real address) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Logitec Mouse on a NeXT Keyboard Date: 26 Jan 1997 00:52:47 GMT Organization: Videotron Communications Ltd. (WAVE) Message-ID: <5ce9sv$e282@crash.videotron.ab.ca> On 01/23/97, Aeldrik Pander wrote: >About two years ago I read some documentation on a WWW-site about >wiring a Logitec bus mouse to a NeXT Keyboard. Dancing Bear Enterprises (www.dancingbear.com) used to sell an adapter for this, but I just checked their site and they've quit selling NeXT hardware. Their page does still have a few pointers to other vendors in this vanishing market, so that might help you. -- -------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Univ. of Alberta Psychology Dept. Network manager, Web manager, postmaster gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome!) http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/staff_bios/gary.finley.htmld
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:58:06 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> <SNIP> > Lance, I'm a programmer, and from a programmer point of view it was >possible to write 32-bit code without contortions on 68K from its inception >(and have that code continue to run without modification on later models >with larger physical address spaces). This did not become true on x86 >until two unique memory models and some years later (80386). > > I'm a programmer too. If I find myself thinking about register size, I'm usually dealing with a performance issue. At that point I'm interested in the size of the data path and clock speed as much as register size. Depending on what's going on, I might me interested in address size too. Of course if you're writing compilers, assemblers or libraries, you might have a different take. From what I've seen, people who use higher level lanugages could care less about bitness - other than bragging rights. They seem interested in speed only. It's not like they have much say about library or API performance anyway. Fact is, you can do anything with a 4-bit ALU that can be done with a 32-bit ALU and if the langugage you're dealing with has the right support, bitness is faily transparent. >> > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers >> >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and >> >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium >> >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted >> >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a >> >processor. >> > >> >> Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by >> computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you >> mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > > So was it accepted in 1982 or not? > As I recall, the rage in 1982 was about data bus size vs. ALU size in determining bitness. The Z-80 could do 16-bit register and indirect arithmetic but was labeled an 8-bit processor. The 6502 couldn't do either but was still labeled 8-bit. Personally, I prefer data bus size as the indicator of bitness. However, this is one holy war I'll pass on for now.
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: setting dns Date: 23 Jan 1997 17:42:24 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5c87u0$sai$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <glenn-ya02408000R2201971616430001@news.europa.com> glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) wrote: >Greetings, > >I am trying to determine how to set the dns address on NeXTstep 3.3. I >found where to configure IP address and router. Any help is appreciated. >This is a lone NeXT box in a mac and PC shop. > >---- >Tod L. Glenn >Internet Services Administrator >Now Software ITG >webmaster@nowsoft.com >---- >http://www.nowsoft.com >ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com >listserv@nowsoft.com If, by dns address, you mean what the address of your dns server is, then set up a file called /etc/resolv.conf with the following lines domain domain.name # This is your domain nameserver ip.address # The first dns nameserver nameserver ip.address # Another dns nameserver See man 5 resolver for more info. --Ryan
From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: phillips videoCD on openstepMach4.1 via NEXTTIME? Date: 23 Jan 1997 19:03:17 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <5c8cll$q4v$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> has anybody managed to play a phillips videoCD using NEXTTIME? daniel
From: cb@guinan.mm.se (Christian Brunschen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Loginwindow Workspace hook Date: 25 Jan 1997 23:56:20 GMT Organization: - Message-ID: <5ce6j4$aim@mn5.swip.net> Keywords: loginwindow dwrite Workspace hook Hi, I am trying to start a different program than Workspace at login time. The manual page for 'loginwindow' states that dwrite loginwindow Workspace /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram should make loginwindow start /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram instead of Workspace.app at login time. I have tried doing just that. Result ? Nothing. No change in the behaviour of loginwindow. Workspace still gets started, and my program doesn't. I am running 3.3 on Black 040 hardware. If anyone has any ideas, please share them with me. A search at NeXTAnswers revealed nothing. Best regards, // Christian Brunschen -- -- Christian Brunschen cb@mm.se
From: atheurer@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Matthew Theurer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: 25 Jan 1997 23:57:09 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <5cernl$1ul2@jeckle.cs.utexas.edu> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> <5cblmj$s8r@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <5cd64e$hon$1@news2.charm.net> Ident-User: atheurer >>> > > I also sorta liked John Kheit's suggestion of "MaX". Might >>> > > could get the cartoon/comic character for a logo/commercial >>> Just a note...I didn't come up with the MaX name... I believe >>> Lawson English came up with MaXT, and then someone else shortened >>> it to MaX. I in all my un-originality said that's neeto :) BTW, >>> that would be pretty neeto, that MaX commic dude...but not exactly >>> a family oriented character... Watch out mickey...ooohhh :) >>I of course, would favor NEXTSTEP 5. But someone suggested a new name which >>liked --- APEX. It fits in with the Unix naming conventions---Irix, AIX, >>HPUX---and it has AP as in APPLE, and it has the imagery of the top of the >>mountain. You climb the mountain and guess what is growing up at the top? >An >>apple tree, of course. >Gotta get the 'e' right tho': APeX how about MacDaddy :) Andrew Theurer.
From: HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:16:59 +0800 Organization: The WatchTower Message-ID: <32EB12FB.E68@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> References: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de> <5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net> <5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5cac8c$hik$1@maceo.dti.net> <5cbg3l$sn@news4.digex.net> <5cblmj$s8r@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's probably MacOS 8. Why do you people think that Apple intends any credit to NeXT in name for the new OS anyway. Apple bought NeXT, period. NeXT belongs to Apple. Final.
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 17 Jan 1997 19:24:37 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5dvkfg.r74.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> >> In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a >> 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit >> seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. Burroughs had a variable-bit computer. Word size was not fixed, at least not in the instruction stream. It was stack-based, so you couldn't classify it based on register size. Don't know details about it, it may have had an upper limit based on the ALU though. -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: 26 Jan 1997 14:58:47 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5cfrf7$p4h@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32EB12FB.E68@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> writes > It's probably MacOS 8. Why do you people think that Apple intends any > credit to NeXT in name for the new OS anyway. Apple bought NeXT, > period. NeXT belongs to Apple. Final. There's always somebody who'll just kind of suck all the fun out of anything, isn't there. -- Jon Haveman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Message-ID: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> References: <E4E78y.Mu0@gorilla.nbn.com> <5c7343$3fv@news.digifix.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:52:20 GMT Scott Anguish (sanguish@digifix.com) wrote: : On 01/21/97, Tim Holmes wrote: : > : >So a great deal has been said about what NeXT will do : >to or for Apple, but has anyone heard any details on : >what's in store for NeXT? : > : There is a new letter on NeXT's site from Dr. Ameilo that explains : the plans for NeXT products. : Although what you are describing is pretty much Apple Rhapsody. I haven't heard of Rhapsody running on Intel. Is this a new development? I think it would be a good move... Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:33:00 -0500 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY CodeWarrior(R) To Be Hosted On Sun Microsystems(R)' Solaris(TM)-based UNIX(R) Workstations AUSTIN, Texas--January 27, 1997--Metrowerks Inc. (NASDAQ: MTWKF, TSE/ME:MWK), one of the world's leading providers of software development tools, today announced that it had signed a letter of intention to acquire the principle assets of The Latitude Group, Inc., of Mountain View, Calif. Latitude's principle assets include a porting library which allows Mac(TM) OS applications to be ported to UNIX-hosted operating systems, including Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. The Latitude porting libraries redirect Mac OS commands to the target operating system, with a UNIX library containing a portable implementation of the Mac OS API at its core. Metrowerks will also take over providing the Latitude porting technology to The Latitude Group, Inc.'s existing clients already under contract. Metrowerks intends to use the Latitude porting library to port CodeWarrior to run on Sun Microsystems' Solaris-based UNIX workstations in order to offer this platform as a host for embedded systems development. Sun's Solaris-based UNIX workstations are widely used by embedded systems programmers worldwide. The Latitude porting libraries will be incorporated in a new product, CodeWarrior Latitude. CodeWarrior Latitude will continue to support the UNIX-hosted operating systems outlined above. Metrowerks also plans to extend CodeWarrior Latitude to enable the port of Mac OS applications to run on Rhapsody, Apple's Next Generation OS. This will allow Metrowerks' existing clients to more easily port their existing applications to Rhapsody. As part of the agreement between Metrowerks and The Latitude Group, Inc., David Hempling, president and CEO of The Latitude Group, Inc., will join Metrowerks as the technical lead for CodeWarrior Latitude. Mr. Hempling was a co-founder of Quorum Software Systems Inc., which created Latitude. "The Latitude porting technology offers Metrowerks a great opportunity to move CodeWarrior to UNIX," said Jean Belanger, chairman and chief executive officer. "By offering embedded systems versions of CodeWarrior on Windows, Mac OS and, now, UNIX, our embedded story will be more compelling than ever. Implementing support for Rhapsody in CodeWarrior Latitude will allow Mac OS developers to move their applications to Apple's Next Generation OS much faster than would otherwise be the case." Pricing and Availability Metrowerks plans to ship CodeWarrior Latitude in the summer of 1997. CodeWarrior Latitude will include all available targets in one library package and will sell for $399. UNIX-hosted versions of CodeWarrior for embedded development will be available in late 1997. About Metrowerks Founded in 1985, Metrowerks develops, markets and supports a complete line of programming tools for building applications for a number of operating systems intended for use on desktop computers or embedded systems, including Mac(TM) OS, Windows(R) 95, Windows NT(TM), PlayStation(TM) OS, BeOS(TM) and Palm OS(TM), running on a number of microprocessors including 68K, PowerPC(TM), MIPS(TM) and x86 microprocessors. Metrowerks' CodeWarrior products are used by over 65,000 registered users in 70 countries. Additional information on Metrowerks and its products is available via e-mail at "info@metrowerks.com", from our web site at "http://www.metrowerks.com", or by calling (800) 377-5416 or (512) 873-4700. ### Metrowerks, the Metrowerks logo and CodeWarrior are registered trademarks of Metrowerks Inc. Apple and Macintosh are registered trademarks, and Mac is a trademark, of Apple Computer, Inc. Windows and WindowsNT are registered trademarks or trademarks of Microsoft Corp. in the United States and other countries. All other company and product names may be registered trademarks or trademarks of their respective companies/holders, and are hereby recognized. Statements in this press release regarding CodeWarrior Latitude are forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, including successful and timely development of CodeWarrior Latitude and customer acceptance of the product. -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty "Software at Work" MWRon@metrowerks.com http://www.metrowerks.com/about/people/rogues.html#mwron
From: foster@aix2.uottawa.ca (Peter Foster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Logitec Mouse on a NeXT Keyboard Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Date: 26 Jan 1997 18:57:10 GMT Organization: University of Ottawa Message-ID: <5cg9e6$j5k@mercury.cc.uottawa.ca> References: <5ce9sv$e282@crash.videotron.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm using a logitech mouse on my nextslab now. I got it from computerActive, at http://www.computeractive.on.ca/cAi/index.html They made some adaptors to go between the mouse and the socket on the keyboard. Telephone 613-225-4824. Peter
From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: using modem through terminal Date: 26 Jan 1997 19:17:46 GMT Organization: Disorganized Bits Message-ID: <5cgakq$qje@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <32E50617.1DC8@gl.umbc.edu> <E4DKoA.Lp@gateway.ali.bc.ca> <32EA6A00.46EC@psu.edu> Roger Brisson (rob1@psu.edu) wrote: : : I have a couple of related questions re: modem use. Is there a way to : tell what the baud rate is for a given connection? I do use kermit : for some work, but is there another way of getting vital stats for : a modem connection? Type "show" and "help show" at your kermit prompt (and "help set" as you are at it). : Also, is it possible with NeXTStep PPP to establish : a 28.8 or above connection (assuming the ISP supports this)? This depends on your hardware. On my "pizza box", non Turbo, I am able to use reliably 57600 as a speed between a serial port an my modem when in kermit. On the other hand I had a few incidents of a buffer overrun with this speed on a ppp connection so I dropped it down there to 38400, which cured the problem. It does not matter to me very much in practice as my line speed is limited by a modem to 14400 and I still have to see 4:1 modem compression on a real file. But transfer speeds around 3000 cps, or somewhat higher, for a text file are normal with my setup. It seems from reports by others that not all serial ports, even with "black hardware" only, are created equal and some folks experienced serial ports troubles with higher speeds. If you use Intel hardware a connection between a quality of your serial port and max speeds is even more pronounced. Michal
From: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need Shakespeare FTP'd Date: 27 Jan 1997 04:59:35 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5chcnn$br$2@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Would there be anyone out there who will FTP me some Shakespeare files, the Sonnets and Poems, bundled on early releases of NextStep. These came with complete Shakespeare. I accidentally trashed my 'Sonnets ....' files; I do have the rest of the Shkspre intact. Thank you Seamus -- If I can't die happily-- I'd rather not die at all. Anon
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 27 Jan 1997 13:52:24 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> Tim Holmes writes > Scott Anguish (sanguish@digifix.com) wrote: > : On 01/21/97, Tim Holmes wrote: > : > > : >So a great deal has been said about what NeXT will do > : >to or for Apple, but has anyone heard any details on > : >what's in store for NeXT? > : > > : There is a new letter on NeXT's site from Dr. Ameilo that explains > : the plans for NeXT products. > > : Although what you are describing is pretty much Apple Rhapsody. > > > I haven't heard of Rhapsody running on Intel. Is this a new > development? I think it would be a good move... That's been my impression as well. Although, in reality, I've found the information that I've been able to find just pretty confusing about it. Anyway....what would be the downside to Apple from releasing Rhapsody on Intel? The upside seems to be just sooooo huge. -- Jon Haveman
From: aconti@interaccess.com (Aaron J. Conti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: miscTableScroll object in the MiscKit Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 10:35:08 PST Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Message-ID: <5cilns$ddn@nntp.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 I am trying to use the table scroll from the miscKit. So far, I have used it in a couple different programs. Every time that I have used it so far, it has only been for displaying information. This allows me to fill all of the fields in the table programatically. Now I need to use it to display a list of item and let the user fill in values in the second and third columns. I can't seem to figure out what I am not setting to allow the user to select a single cell as apposed to a row and enter data into the cell. Any information on how to do this (or if it is impossible) would be appreciated. Please respond by e-mail to prichard@isdinc.com. I don't have reqular news access and had to borrow somebody else's account for this. Peter Richardson prichard@isdinc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701271555.KAA08101@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 774e3de66d8a38ae1cc0063747b9f70a - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 10:55:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Loginwindow Workspace hook Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 774e3de66d8a38ae1cc0063747b9f70a - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: cb@guinan.mm.se (Christian Brunschen) Original Date: 25 Jan 1997 23:56:20 GMT > I am trying to start a different program than Workspace at login > time. The manual page for 'loginwindow' states that > > dwrite loginwindow Workspace /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram > > should make loginwindow start /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram instead of > Workspace.app at login time. if I do 'ps -auxwww|grep "Workspace.app/Workspace"' I see that Workspace.app has the argument "-LoginProgram YES" Perhaps you could try turning that "off" by using dwrite Workspace LoginProgram NO I'll take credit only if it works ;-) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with Slip/PPP on NS2.1 (Repost) Date: 27 Jan 1997 16:36:47 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5ciliv$p57@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Dear Netters, Some help please to someone who would like to have PPP Slip off an old next running 2.1 NextStep. PLease tell if such a connection is possible and if so with which package. Thank you in advance. Previous postings had wrong mail address which sould be ikouts@isosun.airadne-t.gr Thank you again. Ioannis -------- (an object farmer).
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need Shakespeare FTP'd Date: 27 Jan 1997 18:11:30 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5cir4i$s9i@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <5chcnn$br$2@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) wrote: > I accidentally trashed my 'Sonnets ....' files; I do have the > rest of the Shkspre intact. Thank you Seamus I just emailed them to him. You probably want to check whether he got them before sending them as well. I have found a proof |================================================ Of Fermat's conjecture, but | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu Haiku is too terse. |================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Re: NeXT in the movie 'Flatliners' Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: NeXT Ghetto People feat. St.Eve Message-ID: <E4oMBq.FJ@flop.schwaben.de> References: <32eab496.0@192.33.12.30> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:33:26 GMT NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY (note follow-up!) jon klein wrote: > What an absolutely silly thing to be bringing up, but I saw the movie > Flatliners last night after many years of not having seen it. > > Very early in the movie, the camera pans over an office, passing by > what could not have been anything else but a NeXT monochrome monitor. > It had the right stand and the same rectangular back. > > Has anybody noticed this? Is there something wrong with me for having > gotten so excited? Please advise... I also noticed this when I saw the movie the first time. Must have something to do with: a) sexy stuff in the bedroom b) people & things coming back from the dead At least the movie had *something* be be excited about :-) Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | OPENSTEP. Resistance is futile.
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: 27 Jan 97 04:14:23 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32ec2b9f.0@192.33.12.30> References: <32EB12FB.E68@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5cfrf7$p4h@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Jon Haveman (jon@mgmt.purdue.edu) wrote: : HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> writes : > It's probably MacOS 8. Why do you people think that Apple intends any : > credit to NeXT in name for the new OS anyway. Apple bought NeXT, : > period. NeXT belongs to Apple. Final. : There's always somebody who'll just kind of suck all the fun out of : anything, isn't there. But if we're lucky, it'll be both! Kinda like... Star Trek: The Next Generation System 8: APeX (I liked that one!) Anything but NeXTstep 98 will do for me. -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: andrewc@vasci.com (Andrew Cunningham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:15:20 -0800 Organization: Vibro-Acoustic Sciences Inc Message-ID: <andrewc-2701971315200001@192.2.2.3> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> In article <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net>, MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY If anyone is interested in my experience (which has been quite positive overall) as a C/C++ Latitude developer feel free to email me. We have ported our application ,AutoSEA, to HP-UX and SGI. In a nutshell, Latitude gives you System 6.0.7 + 32 Bit Quickdraw plus a smattering of Syustem 7 API's. No magic there. Things that have no equivalent on a UNIX platform are just not there (e.g. Process Manager etc). The speed is pretty good - Latitude is a mature product that is now up to V3.x. I dearly hope Metrowerks provides SGI and (particularly) HP-UX C++ compilers as the native ones are bloody awful! Andrew -------------------------- Andrew Cunningham Vibro-Acoustic Sciences Inc 5355 Mira Sorrento Pl #100 San Diego CA 92121 USA Ph: +1-(619) 597 7535 Fax: +1-(619) 597 7414 e-mail: andrewc@vasci.com http://www.vasci.com -- Andrew Cunningham Vibro-Acoustic Sciences Inc Ph: +1-(619) 597 7535 Fax: +1-(619) 597 7414 e-mail: andrewc@vasci.com
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:18:04 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One >> calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as >> an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual >> was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, >> the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count >> game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a >> 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and >> used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked >> here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor >> radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL >> in the marketing.... > > Bogus. Hey, I didn't write the manuals. If you think it's bogus, talk to MOT! The fact is, the timing of the manuals was just as I described. Looks like a clear attempt at impressing newbies. Unfortunately, for MOT, newbies and end users rarely order instruction set manuals. However, the point wasn't entirely lost as Apple had good time with it. > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a >processor. > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > You attribute malice or deception to simple confusion in literature and >terminology. The fact remains that flat 32-bit code could be and was >written on the 68000 from the very beginning, lots of it, this was and is a >benefit to its users. > This is an example what maketing does best. There was no confusion in the literature. MOT knew exactly what they were doing. I don't think malice or deception fits here. The programmers know what's going on and that's what counts. I'm surprised someone didn't add up all register bits and go with that figure. > If you don't believe me, why not pop over to comp.arch and ask some >folks around there whether they think the 68K family qualifies as a 32-bit >processor design, or if Moto tried to deceive anyone by promoting it as >such. > I don't give a hoot what comp.arch thinks about the 68K. I was pointing out what MOT, the manufacturer, said about.
From: myers@meitner.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Eric Myers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Russian Localization? Date: 28 Jan 1997 00:14:21 GMT Organization: Department of Physics, University of Michigan Message-ID: <5cjgct$ei8@thighmaster.admin.lsa.umich.edu> We have a visitor from Russia who may end up using one of our NeXT workstations (black NeXTstation running NS 3.0). The Preferences tool does not list Russian as an option, but he would like to be able to use a Russian keyboard and fonts. Is there anything available that we can get from the Net?
From: myers@meitner.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Eric Myers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: security patches for NeXTStep 3.0 Date: 28 Jan 1997 00:16:33 GMT Organization: Department of Physics, University of Michigan Message-ID: <5cjgh1$eii@thighmaster.admin.lsa.umich.edu> Is there an ftp site for security patches for NeXTStep? I know how to get these for HP and Sun, but have not found a similar site for NeXT.
From: Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT in the movie 'Flatliners' Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:06:39 -0500 Organization: Demiurge Development Group Message-ID: <32EE4E3F.52F6@friday.com> References: <32eab496.0@192.33.12.30> <dtq-2601972351150001@shiva1-mclean-195.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Doug Quinn <dtq@his.com> Doug Quinn wrote: > > Yo Jon -- > > In fact, you did see a NeXT computer. I don't know if it's visible in the > video release, but in the threatre I clearly remember seeing the Cube as > well (sitting under the table, I believe). Just one of those > money-grubbing product placements -- sorta like when you see that Howard > the Duck has a Mac Plus during the opening pan of that film... :-) > In howie the duck, I wouldn't be surprised that it was a money grubbing move on the part of the movie... In Flatliners, nope-- doubt they paid a sent more than what it cost to pick up a cube for cheap... The cube + black monitor makes one hell of a nice high-tech looking system. I wouldn't be surprised to catch a glimpse in a movie or tv special with some of those stupid 3D email interfaces running [as an overlay, obviously]. On the east coast, there is a well known (though I forget which) yuppy oriented furniture store that uses original black hardware as the in-stroe 'mock' computer props (instead of those stupid cardboard boxes you see everywhere else). b.bum
From: Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT in the movie 'Flatliners' Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:07:23 -0500 Organization: Demiurge Development Group Message-ID: <32EE4E6B.62D4@friday.com> References: <32eab496.0@192.33.12.30> <dtq-2601972351150001@shiva1-mclean-195.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Doug Quinn <dtq@his.com> Doug Quinn wrote: > > Yo Jon -- > > In fact, you did see a NeXT computer. I don't know if it's visible in the > video release, but in the threatre I clearly remember seeing the Cube as > well (sitting under the table, I believe). Just one of those > money-grubbing product placements -- sorta like when you see that Howard > the Duck has a Mac Plus during the opening pan of that film... :-) > In howie the duck, I wouldn't be surprised that it was a money grubbing move on the part of the movie... In Flatliners, nope-- doubt they paid a sent more than what it cost to pick up a cube for cheap... The cube + black monitor makes one hell of a nice high-tech looking system. I wouldn't be surprised to catch a glimpse in a movie or tv special with some of those stupid 3D email interfaces running [as an overlay, obviously]. On the east coast, there is a well known (though I forget which) yuppy oriented furniture store that uses original black hardware as the in-stroe 'mock' computer props (instead of those stupid cardboard boxes you see everywhere else). b.bum
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:58:52 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4pvy5.4Ey@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> <kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu> Cc: kroger@ucla.edu This was written in comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep (<kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu>) by kroger@ucla.edu: > Not invited to comment? Not invited to comment? You post on usenet for > millions to see and you say somebody was not invited to comment? How big > an idiot can somebody be? This was obviously ironic since you were absolutely unable to understand what was the point! In another time (250 years ago...) this would have been an invitation to my people for a bastinado... =;) But we are more civilized now: I'm sending the bumpkin (you) to the oubliette (my kill file)... mc
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:42:57 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4pv7M.4Bu@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> <kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu> Cc: kroger@ucla.edu This was written in comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep (<kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu>) by kroger@ucla.edu: > I don't know what your argument was about (nor do I care) Funny! > but I don't like > to miss a chance to tell an idiot what an idiot he is. So you're obviously the idiot here! mc
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT in the movie 'Flatliners' Date: 27 Jan 97 12:48:53 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32eca435.0@192.33.12.30> References: <32eab496.0@192.33.12.30> <dtq-2601972351150001@shiva1-mclean-195.his.com> <32EE4E3F.52F6@friday.com> Bill Bumgarner (bbum@friday.com) wrote: : On the east coast, there is a well known (though I forget which) yuppy : oriented furniture store that uses original black hardware as the : in-stroe 'mock' computer props (instead of those stupid cardboard boxes : you see everywhere else). Oh please oh please oh please tell me where. I'm on the east coast, and even if it's nowhere near me, I'm willing to drive :) -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: severine@itis.com (S. Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Online NextStep Guide Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:57:29 -0600 Organization: Intranet Message-ID: <severine-1801971257290001@c7.itis.com> References: <severine-1701970922510001@c6.itis.com> <5bpeac$944@news.platinum.com> In article <5bpeac$944@news.platinum.com>, longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > All the NeXT documentation (i think) is now on-line at: > http://www.next.com > > The main archive of cool shareware/freeware/gplware/demoware is: > http://www.peak.org/ftp/pub/next/nextstep.html > > Other useful stuff: > http://www3.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/index.html > http://www.misckit.com/ Thanks, Gary, for your helpful reply. After I received a few similar emails, I realized I should have specified that I have to get a disk and the OS for my machine. It is in the meantime that I've wanted to take a look at docs and info. Thanks again. -- severine@itis.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) Subject: Fujitsu MO -DOS formated ... Message-ID: <E4opG1.12n@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) Organization: NeXT Club Schwerte, Germany Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:40:49 GMT Hello, does anybody know, how a DOS formated MO-medium from the 3.5 Fujitsu-drive could reformat into a NeXT-formated one? thanks for help
From: Erik Pennebaker <epenneba@uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NEXTSTEP on an NT machine Date: 28 Jan 1997 17:12:54 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <5clc2m$21s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <mignault-ya023480002801971150220001@news.nytimes.com> mignault@nytimes.com (John Mignault) writes: >Hi, I want to get a copy of NeXTStep for Mach and start working with it in >order to prepare for Rhapsody. My current setup is this: >A Pentium 90, 80M Ram, with the following drive setup: >The machine has a primary EIDE controller and a secondary IDE controller as >well as a Adaptec 1542 SCSI card. >On EIDE controller: >Boot drive is a 1G EIDE drive, currently setup to dual boot NT 4.0 or >Win95, using the NT bootloader. There is a single (C:\) partition. >Second drive is a 1.2G EIDE drive, with 2 partitions, both FAT. >On the IDE controller is a 450M IDE drive, currently formatted as a FAT >drive, but not really used for anything, as well as a IDE CDROM. >On the SCSI card I have a CDROM and a 2G drive with a Linux fs, which I >boot to from a floppy. >My first impulse is to try to install onto the 450 IDE drive. Lacking that, >I could get another external SCSI drive and hook that up if I could install >NEXTSTEP on there and boot it from that drive. Can the NeXT bootloader >coexist with NT's? I don't think you'll have enough space on the 450 for the install and any growing room... If you can spare the change, I'd get another drive. From what I've heard, and my experience, SCSI stuff works much better, so another 1GB scsi disk would be your best move and install off you SCSI cdrom (thats what you meant, right?) As far as boot loaders, I think winNT and microsoft work off a boot.ini file, rather than a boot record. NeXTStep's boot loader seems a little limited. I would actually recomment using lilo via linux. I've got my win95/openstep/linux system running it. Look at the examples. Booting to nextstep is the same as booting to dos; just tell it which partition and which disk. For win95/winNT, you'd go through lilo, boot to the NT/95 drive, which will than lauch the NT loader, and you would choose between win95/winNT. Someone correct me if I'm wrong....I only had a short experience with NT/95 coexisting. I know people who go through several different loaders:) It seems like NeXTStep's is limited to booting off the first drive. lilo supports 16(?) oses, and is pretty flexible about where stuff is. Make sure you have boot disks for everything, of course. -Erik -- ----- Erik Pennebaker | http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/epenneba | epenneba@uiuc.edu Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat. CCSO Workstation Support Group, University of Illinois My opinions
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:31:16 -0600 From: amas@lhr-sys.dhl.com Subject: File Format Repository Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <854468310.11711@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service Could anyone provide me with a list of links relating to file formats used by OpenStep. More spefically the .snd file format and the icon file format. Thanks Andre-John -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 17:55:42 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Sender: powers@swapsdvlp02 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: > In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, > Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: > >>So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some > >>80386-based machines were 16-bit? > > > >Here is my recollection for what it is worth. > > > >I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. > > Externally, it has/had an 8 bit bus that, > according to rumor, was for "backwards" compatibility and > to save money, since at that time 16 bit hardware was the *NEW* thing > and was therefore more expensive than 8 bit hardware. > > >The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for > >that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. > > Yup. There were a few brave souls who manafactured 8086 (and even > 80186) based boards. Yes Virginia, there *was* and 80186 chip! > > >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. > > Uh, no. (As Lord Blaine taught us. . .) That turns out no to be the > case. The 80826 was vastly different from the 80386. Examples: > the ability to have a flat memory space (segments *GONE*, whee!) and > much different virtual memory support. > > The flat memory model was, in fact, the talk of the town at that time. > > >Except that the > >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) > >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version > >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). > > Yup. I still know people who own and use '386sx boxes. > > >Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a > >mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the > >other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating > >point part was added. > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > systems. Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue against this. The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. > > >The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in > >'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. > >There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). > > The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the > color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called > the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). > > >I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I > >would guess it meant cheaper memory. > > Cheaper parts. Yup. And at that time, the 68000 didn't have any > virtual memory capabilities, or memory protection (hence the reason the > Amiga didn't have memory protection designed into the OS). > > The 68010 was introduced to support on-chip VM, but still required, if > I remember correctly, an extermal MMU chip. > > John S. -- Brent B. Powers Merrill Lynch powers@ml.com
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:52:13 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-1801971152140001@17.219.103.153> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by > computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you > mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. I belive that the Saturn chip developed by HP is a 4 bit CPU with a 4 bit ALU. The model exposed to the RPN programmer may be 64 bits, but the internal hardware is only 4 bits at a time. I've seen assembly code for this littel machine and it's rather tedious. Power consumption is a real issue. Why do in 64 parallel bits what can be cycled through 4 bits with lots less power? -- Andrew Carol carol1@apple.com I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Format Repository Date: 28 Jan 1997 22:09:45 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5cltf9$1b4@news.digifix.com> References: <854468310.11711@dejanews.com> In-Reply-To: <854468310.11711@dejanews.com> On 01/28/97, amas@lhr-sys.dhl.com wrote: >Could anyone provide me with a list of links relating to >file formats used by OpenStep. More spefically the .snd >file format and the icon file format. > .snd is a fairly standard sound format (like the same as on the Mac) icon files are just plain old .tiff files. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.X Query Date: 28 Jan 1997 22:18:24 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5cltvg$4fm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk> Cc: pageant@dircon.co.uk In <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk> Aled Davies wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking at putting NextStep/OpenStep on my Intel Workstation > and I have a bit of a query. Is OpenStep for Mach (intel) binary > compatable with older NextStep 3.3 applications, or do they need > to be recomplied to be made to work. ??? > They are binary compatable. > Also bearing in mind that im not a student anymore and probably > don't qualify for Next's academic pricing, if I'm not planning to > do any development (at least for the foreseable future) is it > really worth getting the development version ??. Presumably I can > upgrade from User to developer at a later date if I need to ??? > If you're not doing any GUI development, and thus don't need the GUI dev tools, you could still grab the gcc compiler someone was maintaining for nextstep, I think. It should be on the archives somewhere. Then you could at least compile standard unix tools if you want.. however, if you don't even need to do that, the user edition is just fine. And yes, you can just buy the developer distribution later if you want. You don't _have_ to buy them at the same time. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: flood@cris.com (rob thompson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: reading disks in DOS Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:30:02 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Message-ID: <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com> Hi, At our workplace we have hardware that runs using Nextstep. We copied some data to floppy and were unable to read them. I was wondering what file system (assuming not FAT) that Nextstep uses. And If it is a unix file system if there is a driver or utility to read this disks. I'm sorry if this message is in appropriate for the newsgroup, but the best place to get answers is with the experts. Please email any suggestions Rob flood@cris.com -- I don't know exact configuration but I can find out.
From: "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 17:56:35 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Sender: powers@swapsdvlp02 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <u02vi8hbe8s.fsf@ml.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: > In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, > Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: > >>So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some > >>80386-based machines were 16-bit? > > > >Here is my recollection for what it is worth. > > > >I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. > > Externally, it has/had an 8 bit bus that, > according to rumor, was for "backwards" compatibility and > to save money, since at that time 16 bit hardware was the *NEW* thing > and was therefore more expensive than 8 bit hardware. > > >The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for > >that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. > > Yup. There were a few brave souls who manafactured 8086 (and even > 80186) based boards. Yes Virginia, there *was* and 80186 chip! > > >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. > > Uh, no. (As Lord Blaine taught us. . .) That turns out no to be the > case. The 80826 was vastly different from the 80386. Examples: > the ability to have a flat memory space (segments *GONE*, whee!) and > much different virtual memory support. > > The flat memory model was, in fact, the talk of the town at that time. > > >Except that the > >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) > >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version > >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). > > Yup. I still know people who own and use '386sx boxes. > > >Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a > >mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the > >other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating > >point part was added. > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > systems. Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue against this. The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. > > >The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in > >'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. > >There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). > > The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the > color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called > the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). > > >I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I > >would guess it meant cheaper memory. > > Cheaper parts. Yup. And at that time, the 68000 didn't have any > virtual memory capabilities, or memory protection (hence the reason the > Amiga didn't have memory protection designed into the OS). > > The 68010 was introduced to support on-chip VM, but still required, if > I remember correctly, an extermal MMU chip. > > John S. -- Brent B. Powers Merrill Lynch powers@ml.com
From: "Keith L. Swallow" <swallow@oar.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:27:09 -0500 Organization: OARnet Message-ID: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: swallow@oar.net Hello all, I need to find a copy of tcl or instructions for installing tcl 7.6 on a next with nextmach 1.0 .. I know its old... But it is what I have to work with. SO any assistance would be gratfully appreciated. Please just reply to this by mailing me : swallow@oar.net Also sorry for cross posting... I wanted to hit everybody that might be able to help... thanks again... -Sincerly Keith Lee Swallow Thanks again... --
From: pjb@imaginet.fr (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Russian Localization? Date: 29 Jan 1997 01:21:18 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <5cm8me$qf3@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <5cjgct$ei8@thighmaster.admin.lsa.umich.edu> In article <5cjgct$ei8@thighmaster.admin.lsa.umich.edu> myers@meitner.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Eric Myers) writes: > We have a visitor from Russia who may end up using one of our NeXT > workstations (black NeXTstation running NS 3.0). The Preferences tool > does not list Russian as an option, but he would like to be able to use > a Russian keyboard and fonts. Is there anything available that we can > get from the Net? For the keyboard there's a /NextDeveloper/Demos/Keyboard.app tool with which you can build a russian keymap. There are also several russian postscript fonts (with different encodings, beware) available (have a look at ftp://ftp.peanuts.org/pub/next/ for example). __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 29 Jan 97 11:38:10 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <doenges.854537890@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <u02vi8hbe8s.fsf@ml.com> Originator: doenges@nelion.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com> writes: >Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue >against this. The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of >silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. But a different pinout does not necessarily mean a different chip. Many processors are availible in PGA and QFP packages with different pinouts, but identical silicon inside. I remeber reading at the time of the 486sx, that the 486sx was a normal 486 with the FPU disabled. The whole thing had nothing to do with technology, but with marketing. (Remeber, this was the time the AMD386 came out, and Intel did not want to loose their high margins on 486s. So they came up with the 486sx, which was priced to compete with the 40 MHz AMD386.). Later modell 486sx may have had different silicon, but the first generation 486sx were 80486 with the FPU disabled. The 80487sx was a complete 486 with the FPU enabled - if you plugged one of those in your 486sx system, the whole 486sx was disabled. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:28:30 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e14540.11376132@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <carol1-1801971152140001@17.219.103.153> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by >> computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you >> mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > >I belive that the Saturn chip developed by HP is a 4 bit CPU with >a 4 bit ALU. > >The model exposed to the RPN programmer may be 64 bits, but >the internal hardware is only 4 bits at a time. I've seen >assembly code for this littel machine and it's rather tedious. > >Power consumption is a real issue. Why do in 64 parallel bits >what can be cycled through 4 bits with lots less power? > The Saturn has a real 64-bit ALU while the internal/external data path is 4-bits. No doubt, the assembly code you've seen involves moving 4-bit "fields" in/out of the ALU. Many people consider assembly code tedious whatever the processor. Certainly, floating point operations with an integer ALU can be less than fun! The 64-bit ALU makes perfect sense when you consider that the CPU was specifically designed for floating point operations. As such, the ALU can hold the entire binary representation of a floating point number (mantissa and exponent). RPN programmers are generally unaware of CPU bit size because RPN deals with named variables that may contain one or more of a large variety of objects with floating point numbers being just one in the list. All of the Saturn CPU registers are static CMOS so I've missed your point concerning power consumption. BTW, with the 48GX, I can have the answers to some really heavy math problems before most PCs get the mouse cursor on the screen :). A lot cheaper to buy and run too not to mention that it fits in a coat pocket.
From: jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700 Organization: Verinet Communications Message-ID: <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: >>So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some >>80386-based machines were 16-bit? > >Here is my recollection for what it is worth. > >I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. Externally, it has/had an 8 bit bus that, according to rumor, was for "backwards" compatibility and to save money, since at that time 16 bit hardware was the *NEW* thing and was therefore more expensive than 8 bit hardware. >The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for >that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. Yup. There were a few brave souls who manafactured 8086 (and even 80186) based boards. Yes Virginia, there *was* and 80186 chip! >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. Uh, no. (As Lord Blaine taught us. . .) That turns out no to be the case. The 80826 was vastly different from the 80386. Examples: the ability to have a flat memory space (segments *GONE*, whee!) and much different virtual memory support. The flat memory model was, in fact, the talk of the town at that time. >Except that the >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). Yup. I still know people who own and use '386sx boxes. >Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a >mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the >other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating >point part was added. Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) systems. >The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in >'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. >There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). >I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I >would guess it meant cheaper memory. Cheaper parts. Yup. And at that time, the 68000 didn't have any virtual memory capabilities, or memory protection (hence the reason the Amiga didn't have memory protection designed into the OS). The 68010 was introduced to support on-chip VM, but still required, if I remember correctly, an extermal MMU chip. John S.
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Dec Quiz results, new Jan/Feb Quiz started Date: 29 Jan 1997 09:17:26 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5cn4j6$k5r@peng.ping.at> The SSS Christmas Quiz has ended - already two weeks ago, sorry for the delay - and the winners are drawn. Plus: the new January/February Quiz has started NOW! (finally...) For Dec results as well as for the new Jan/Feb quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Deadline for the new quiz is February 27. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer *or* LatinByrd license, or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@NO.SPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fujitsu MO -DOS formated ... Date: 28 Jan 1997 16:16:03 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5cl8o3$gt7@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <E4opG1.12n@manki.toppoint.de> manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) wrote: >does anybody know, how a DOS formated MO-medium from the 3.5 >Fujitsu-drive could reformat into a NeXT-formated one? "Disk->Initialise" on all NEXTSTEP machines I've seen that use this Fujitsu drive (a very good choice IMHO). This includes various Intel based machines. If this doesn't work, maybe the drive is not set up properly. If you like, contact me via email if you have questions about DIP settings. All the best, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <khe@jonathan.bta.net.cn> Message-ID: <9701281714.AA01715@jonathan.bta.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Karsten Heinze <khe@jonathan.bta.net.cn> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 01:14:09 +0800 Subject: Re: Installing NEXTSTEP on an NT machine Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com Hi John, In article <mignault-ya023480002801971150220001@news.nytimes.com>, = you wrote: > My first impulse is to try to install onto the 450 IDE drive. NeXT recommended 400 MB for User and Developer. Possible you like also some other programs ... > Lacking that, > I could get another external SCSI drive and hook that up if I = could install > NEXTSTEP on there and boot it from that drive.=20 Do it. SCSI is better then IDE for NeXTSTEP. > Can the NeXT bootloader > coexist with NT's? No problem, you can boot NeXTSTEP from NT bootloader, or you can = start the NT bootloader from the NeXTSTEP bootloader. - Karsten --- Karsten.Heinze@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE=20 Phone / Fax : +86-10-64 94 78 03 *** Powered_By_NeXTSTEP ***
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Writing a disc driver Date: 29 Jan 1997 11:39:35 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <5cnctn$grs@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <854468821.12167@dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: amas@lhr-sys.dhl.com [Posted and mailed] In article <854468821.12167@dejanews.com>, amas@lhr-sys.dhl.com writes: > I am interested in trying to write a disk driver to read some > disk formats from some of the older computers that made use > of 3.5" disk drives. Maybe the "mtools" package for unix, which is capable of reading varios Micro$oft diskformats is helpfull? Bernhard Reiter
From: hlm <hlm@aplcore.jhuapl.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:02:24 -0500 Organization: VCP Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32EE6959.5F0E@aplcore.jhuapl.edu> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Stevens wrote: > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > systems. > Not exactly correct. The Intel 486SX-25 was a detuned, crippled 486DX-33. It was purely a marketing ploy on Intel's part, designed solely to kill off sales of the AMD 386DX-40. When Intel brought out the 486DX-33, they essentially abandoned the 386 market, leving a huge entry-level hole for AMD to exploit with the 386DX40. Recognizing this, Intel disabled the FPU on their 486 and sold it as a 25MHz chip instead of a 33MHz. I've heard speculation that Intel used chips which wouldn't pass tests for the DX-33, but never saw what I felt to be confirmation. Even though the cost to manufacture the 486SX-25 was presumably exactly the same, or slightly higher, than the 486DX-33, Intel sold them at a *HUGE* discount. I bought a motherboard with a surface mounted 486SX-25 back in '92 or early '93 for well under $200, when DX-33 motherboards were at least $400-500 as I recall. Intel also sold a "FPU upgrade" for the SX-25, which was reportedly another DX-33, but with an extra pin so that it wouldn't fit a DX-33 socket. Install the "FPU upgrade" and you disabled the SX-25 CPU and ran off the "upgrade" chip exclusively. Now instead of just having a disabled FPU on your SX-25 chip, taking up real estate and doing absolutely nothing, you had a totally disabled SX-25! It was an engineering embarrassment, but as I said, it was purely a marketing ploy intended to destroy AMD. Between that and the lawsuit (in which AMD eventually prevailed), Intel was successful for several years in almost totally suppressing competition. (NEC's V20 chip was a very effective competitor to the Intel 8086--I bought an "XT clone" with one of those in '86--but never had a successor.) Recently, with their reported problems with Klamath development and the alleged superiority of AMD's newest chip, perhaps that is to be remedied somewhat. Intel has played just about as dirty as Micro$oft, but without the publicity.
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: reading disks in DOS Date: 29 Jan 1997 11:42:19 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <5cnd2r$grs@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: flood@cris.com (rob thompson) [Posted and mailed] In article <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com>, flood@cris.com (rob thompson) writes: > At our workplace we have hardware that runs using Nextstep. We copied > some data to floppy and were unable to read them. But you can use DOS Fat disk with NeXT and other formats. Try a disk formatted with your (DOS) computer, you want to read the data with. Bernhard Reiter
From: pageant@dircon.co.uk (Aled Davies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep 4.X Query Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:06:01 GMT Organization: via Direct Connection News service Message-ID: <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm looking at putting NextStep/OpenStep on my Intel Workstation and I have a bit of a query. Is OpenStep for Mach (intel) binary compatable with older NextStep 3.3 applications, or do they need to be recomplied to be made to work. ??? Also bearing in mind that im not a student anymore and probably don't qualify for Next's academic pricing, if I'm not planning to do any development (at least for the foreseable future) is it really worth getting the development version ??. Presumably I can upgrade from User to developer at a later date if I need to ??? Replies via email if possible...Thanks Aled <pageant@dircon.co.uk> -------------------------------------------------------------- Aled Davies | "Paul Weller missed the sixties and now | we all have to suffer for it" | - Julian Cope --------------------------------------------------------------
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.X Query Date: 29 Jan 1997 15:56:03 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5cnruj$gqg@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5cltvg$4fm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> In article <5cltvg$4fm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) writes: > In <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk> Aled Davies wrote: > > Also bearing in mind that im not a student anymore and probably > > don't qualify for Next's academic pricing, if I'm not planning to > If you're not doing any GUI development, and thus don't need the GUI dev > tools, you could still grab the gcc compiler someone was maintaining for > nextstep, I think. This is misleading/untrue. One NEEDS the NEXTSTEP Devleoper to use ANY compiler. gcc does not include the standard C-libraries. You could compile o files with gcc, but you could link/create a binary. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 29 Jan 97 09:53:04 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> In-reply-to: "Keith L. Swallow"'s message of Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:27:09 -0500 In article <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net>, "Keith L. Swallow" <swallow@oar.net> writes: I need to find a copy of tcl or instructions for installing tcl 7.6 on a next with nextmach 1.0 .. I know its old... But it is what I have to work with. SO any assistance would be gratfully appreciated. Please just reply to this by mailing me : swallow@oar.net I've posted a copy of tcl7.6 modified to compile under NeXTSTEP3.3 to my home page. Getting it to compile under NS1.0 will likely be a chore, since a lot has happened since then. If you told us what goes wrong when you try to ./configure and compile it, well, then we might be able to help more. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: NeXTSTEP/OpenStep IRC chat Date: 29 Jan 1997 17:19:44 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5co0rg$get@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Howdy! I'd like to ask people to join the IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channel #nextstep in Undernet. This channel is open only temporary, most likely in the time from 10:00 pm (22:00) to 2:00 am GMT+1. You may find me there (depending on my workload) under my nick name 'wogi'. Usually there are no defined topics, just come over and ask your questions or talk and have a good time. In case of a net spilt it is possible you won't see me as the European IRC network has disconnected . * Some Undernet IRC servers (see URL below for a more complete list): Chicago-1.IL.US.Undernet.org los-angeles.ca.us.undernet.org rfhs0005.fh-regensburg.de * Some URLs of interest: http://urth.acsu.buffalo.edu/irc/WWW/ircdocs.html http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/org/irc/ircprimer.html http://servers.undernet.org/ (German only) http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/org/irc/ * Software to get into IRC: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Unix/network/conferences/ircII.2.9-NeXT.NIHS.b.tar.gz http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~premise/foundation/encircle/ -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: yblock@next.mc.maricopa.edu (York Block) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: IBM Ultrastar where can I get it??? Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:32:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <yblock-2801971732310001@79.phoenix-001.az.dial-access.att.net> Hi, I need some advise. I am trying to buy the IBM Ultrastar ES 2.1GB FSCSI2 (not the wide version) harddisk. I tried to get it from NECX but they don't have it rigth now. Does anyone know whereelse I can buy it?. Thank you York
From: gxa114@wilbur.cac.psu.edu (GEOF ABRUZZI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT in the movie 'Flatliners' Date: 29 Jan 1997 19:40:23 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <5co937$133e@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <32eab496.0@192.33.12.30> <dtq-2601972351150001@shiva1-mclean-195.his.com> <32EE4E6B.62D4@friday.com> Bill Bumgarner (bbum@friday.com) wrote: : special with some of those stupid 3D email interfaces running [as an : overlay, obviously]. : On the east coast, there is a well known (though I forget which) yuppy : oriented furniture store that uses original black hardware as the : in-stroe 'mock' computer props (instead of those stupid cardboard boxes : you see everywhere else). I was ordering furniture for some of the computer labs here, and one of the furniture books used NeXT with the cantilevered monitor as demo computers. Again, I dont remember who. Geof -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Geof Abruzzi Language is a virus from outer space. gxa114@cac.psu.edu And hearing your name is better BeBox Developer #3089 than seeing your face. -Laurie Anderson ...
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.X Query Date: 29 Jan 1997 20:48:52 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5cod3k$287$2@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5cltvg$4fm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5cnruj$gqg@crcnis3.unl.edu> Cc: rdieter@math.unl.edu In <5cnruj$gqg@crcnis3.unl.edu> Rex Dieter wrote: > In article <5cltvg$4fm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) > writes: > > In <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk> Aled Davies wrote: > > > Also bearing in mind that im not a student anymore and probably > > > don't qualify for Next's academic pricing, if I'm not planning to > > If you're not doing any GUI development, and thus don't need the GUI dev > > tools, you could still grab the gcc compiler someone was maintaining for > > nextstep, I think. > > This is misleading/untrue. One NEEDS the NEXTSTEP Devleoper to use ANY > compiler. gcc does not include the standard C-libraries. You could compile > o files with gcc, but you could link/create a binary. > > To the best of my knowlege, the gcc distribution (for nextstep) in question comes with a libgcc. You can also obtain a libg++ that works with nextstep. However, since I have never used that distribution (I just gave it a cursory lookover), I don't know that for a fact. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. However, like I said, from things I"ve read and seen, it appears to come with the base C-libs you need to create a binary. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: jrichmond@i-way.co.uk (Jeff Richmond) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Oracle and NeXTStep 3.3: do I need SQL*Net? Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 20:37:44 GMT Organization: UUNet PIPEX server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNet PIPEX) Message-ID: <5cocoq$ht7@join.news.pipex.net> Keyword: NeXStep, Oracle, SQL*Net I am assuming I need to purchase Oracle's SQL*Net to establish a database connection to an instance not on my local machine. Is this right? Or does NeXTStep ship with a version of SQL*Net? If it does, I can't find it. If it is not part of the distribution (Devl or User), does anyone have a copy I could buy? Cheers, Jeff Richmond
From: Stefano Pagiola <spagiola@worldbank.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: NLP Problems persist Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:29:32 -0500 Organization: World Bank Message-ID: <32EFC13C.6C20@worldbank.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope someone can help me. The problems I'm having with my NeXT Laser Printer persist. Basically, the page is printed stretched in the vertical dimension. If I draw a box that's one inch square and print it, the printout shows a box one inch wide but a little more than one inch tall. That's not too much of a problem when printing text, but it makes any kind of graphics very difficult. And plays havoc with mailing labels! This happens from all apps that print. I might add that occasionally, the first print job does come out right, but all subsequent ones do not. Anyone have any suggestions as to a cause/solution? Any help would be very much appreciated. -- Stefano Pagiola 850 N Randolph Str No.817, Arlington VA 22203, USA All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,su.computers.next Subject: can't find NS partition on 2nd SCSI hard disk Date: 29 Jan 1997 22:29:39 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5coj0j$j53@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I just installed a 2nd SCSI HD into my NS/Intel 3.2 system. I used fdisk to split it into 3 partitions (in order: DOS, NEXTSTEP, Linux). NEXTSTEP doesn't seem to recognize the NS partition of the 2nd disk. My 1st HD has 2 partitions (DOS, NEXTSTEP). NS can see both of these, and the new DOS partition on the new disk, but not the NEXTSTEP partition. NS can see the raw device (/dev/rsd1h), and in fact, I used NS's version of fdisk to do the partitioning. Before partitioning, NS could see the disk and I even formatted it and could read and write on it. But I couldn't leave things like this since I wanted to have it split so I could run Linux. Now, no directory comes up under '/' for the new NS partition, nor do I get a message when I log on saying "SCSI disk unreadable, would you like to format it", as I did before it was partitioned. The Console shows a message that complains that the device is busy and so it gave up trying to mount it. (Full Console output included below.) Can NS handle a 2nd SCSI disk that is partitioned? (Misc: There are no IDE HDs, only 2 SCSI ones. The SCSI IDs are: 1st HD = 0, 2nd HD = 1, CD-ROM = 2, Adaptec 1542cf SCSI controller = 7. The raw devices in NS for the HDs are: 1st = /dev/rsd0h, 2nd = /dev/rsd1h.) -Karl Console output: Software Version 3.2 (Thunder5S) probing for DOS Filesystem name: DOS Jan 29 14:18:33 Workspace: Mounted DOS disk at /dos-win95 probing for CDROM probing for DOS Jan 29 14:18:36 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /dos-win95-2 probing for DOS Filesystem name: DOS mount: /dev/rsd1h on /dos-win95-2_2: Device busy mount: giving up on: /dos-win95-2_2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Pfleger kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu http://www.stanford.edu/~kpfleger/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Loginwindow Workspace hook Message-ID: <E4sEwJ.yu@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: 774e3de66d8a38ae1cc0063747b9f70a - <199701271555.KAA08101@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:43:30 GMT Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > > I am trying to start a different program than Workspace at login > > time. The manual page for 'loginwindow' states that > > > > dwrite loginwindow Workspace /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram > > > > should make loginwindow start /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram instead of > > Workspace.app at login time. > > if I do 'ps -auxwww|grep "Workspace.app/Workspace"' I see that > Workspace.app has the argument "-LoginProgram YES" > > Perhaps you could try turning that "off" by using > > dwrite Workspace LoginProgram NO > > I'll take credit only if it works ;-) I don't have the exact definiton of LoginProgram at hand right now, but I I remeber correctly the app which holds teh "LoginProgram" default turn to yes will log you out if you quit it. You could make any app the "LoginProgram" and leaving it (via quit) would log you out. As far as I remember the Dock has a default that tells it which app to lauch with the LoginProgram default. This won't affect the "login panel" or solve the orignal question. Aloha Tomi
From: Jan Skypala <skypalaj@alpha.inf.upol.cz> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:03:07 +0100 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <32EFACFB.59E2@alpha.inf.upol.cz> References: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lasse Olsen wrote: > So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? > Cheers... You've got to wait a minute or so, but while waiting check out: http://www.exp.com/products/x704/x704bull.html -- One ---------------------------------------------------------------------- __ __ / | One of Better Software Jan Skypala / / /_ | one@risc.upol.cz Zasovska 730 / / | | skypalaj@alpha.inf.upol.cz 757 01 Val. Mez. __ / / | | http://www.inf.upol.cz/~skypalaj Czech Republic \ \ / / |_| A1200/030+882@50/2+16RAM/850HD Tel: +42-651-22573 \_X_/ - Have a good die. Oh, sorry. Have a good day. -
From: David Grindrod <grindrod@mailhost.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: OPENSTEP 4.1 and Windows NT Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:21:03 +0100 Organization: EMBL Distribution: world Message-ID: <32F0922F.2781@mailhost.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just installed OPENSTEP 4.1 for windows NT and although all the developers stuff seems to work okay, there does not seem to be any applications. What I wondered was if there was any of the NeXT applications included, such as the mail program and the terminal etc. These were not on the distibution I have. Was the port limited just to the developers stuff? Has anyone any experience of porting generally available software to OPENSTEP/Windows NT and is there any archive off application for windows NT available. I could not see anything on the peanuts archive which is fairly extensive here in Germany. Email replies preferred if possible. Dave -- David grindrod, NMR System Manager, EMBL Heidelberg. Email: mailto:grindrod@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE HTML Home Page: http://www.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE/grindrod/
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.X Query Date: 30 Jan 1997 13:44:37 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5cq8k5$ink@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5cod3k$287$2@majipoor.cygnus.com> In article <5cod3k$287$2@majipoor.cygnus.com> jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) writes: > To the best of my knowlege, the gcc distribution (for nextstep) in > question comes with a libgcc. You can also obtain a libg++ that works > with nextstep. libgcc includes only gcc's internal function calls. It is not a full-featured C-library. libg++ IS a full featured c++ library. This question about needing gcc only has been posed many times in the past...and is not true on the NEXTSTEP platform. Now... if glibc were ported to NEXTSTEP, then it would be another story... -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "D. D. Brierton" <ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Sender: cnews@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (C News Software) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:27:09 GMT > > : On 01/21/97, Tim Holmes wrote: > > : > > > : >So a great deal has been said about what NeXT will do > > : >to or for Apple, but has anyone heard any details on > > : >what's in store for NeXT? There's something I'm curious about: if Rhapsody is going to be some implementation of OPENSTEP, does that mean that traditional Mac apps, once re-written for Rhapsody, are also likely to appear for NeXTSTEP (i.e. for OPENSTEP for Mach)? If that happened, I can imagine that a lot of people are going to find NeXTSTEP a more attractive prospect than Rhapsody. Any thoughts? Darren -- // ================================================================== // // D. D. Brierton // // Centre for Cognitive Science // // University of Edinburgh Email ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk // // // // "The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a // // suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for // // life. For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When // // it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain any- // // more, so it eats it! (It's rather like getting tenure.)" // // ---Daniel C. Dennett, Consciousness Explained // // ================================================================== //
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From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:02:19 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32F0E22B.5403@erols.com> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk > There's something I'm curious about: if Rhapsody is going to be some > implementation of OPENSTEP, does that mean that traditional Mac apps, > once re-written for Rhapsody, are also likely to appear for NeXTSTEP > (i.e. for OPENSTEP for Mach)? > > If that happened, I can imagine that a lot of people are going to find > NeXTSTEP a more attractive prospect than Rhapsody. It would be attractive to only current NEXTSTEPers. Once Rhapsody is out, Apple will no longer ship NEXTSTEP (OPENSTEP/Mach) CDs or issue any more licenses. This will limit the number of people using the system. The number of Mac Users switching to Rhapsody will far outnumber the NEXTSTEP base. --gh
From: "dgrant" <darren@oxford.i-way.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPP Server Date: 30 Jan 1997 17:41:40 GMT Organization: I-Way Limited, Reading Message-ID: <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> I have spent hours looking at FAQ's but don't seem to be able to find aything about using a NextStep/OpenStep on intel or Black hardware as a PPP server to allow dial in users. All the informaton seams to be for PPP Clients. Is anyone in here using a setup like this? Thanks in advance for your replies. PS Now that Apple and NeXT have announced the merge I would suggest there will be a number of Mac based ISP's who will now be looking at NeXT to solve the shortcommings of the Mac as a webserver. There may be a requirement for a mail list or webstite for this purpose. Anyone interested let's get together. Darren Grant
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 30 Jan 1997 14:11:48 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5cqrpk$jr9@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <32F0E22B.5403@erols.com> In article <32F0E22B.5403@erols.com>, gbh@erols.com wrote: > It would be attractive to only current NEXTSTEPers. > Once Rhapsody is out, Apple will no longer ship > NEXTSTEP (OPENSTEP/Mach) CDs or issue any more > licenses. Statements from NeXT have suggested otherwise. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
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From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 30 Jan 1997 21:28:35 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5cr3q3$jff@news.digifix.com> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <32F0E22B.5403@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <32F0E22B.5403@erols.com> On 01/30/97, gbh@erols.com wrote: >> There's something I'm curious about: if Rhapsody is going to be some >> implementation of OPENSTEP, does that mean that traditional Mac apps, >> once re-written for Rhapsody, are also likely to appear for NeXTSTEP >> (i.e. for OPENSTEP for Mach)? >> >> If that happened, I can imagine that a lot of people are going to find >> NeXTSTEP a more attractive prospect than Rhapsody. > >It would be attractive to only current NEXTSTEPers. >Once Rhapsody is out, Apple will no longer ship >NEXTSTEP (OPENSTEP/Mach) CDs or issue any more >licenses. This will limit the number of people >using the system. The number of Mac Users switching >to Rhapsody will far outnumber the NEXTSTEP base. > This is total fiction. Apple's CEO has stated the exact opposite. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Server Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 19:58:58 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E4u7IB.D46@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> In article <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> "dgrant" <darren@oxford.i-way.co.uk> writes: > I have spent hours looking at FAQ's but don't seem to be able to find > aything about using a NextStep/OpenStep on intel or Black hardware as a PPP > server to allow dial in users. All the informaton seams to be for PPP > Clients. Is anyone in here using a setup like this? > > Thanks in advance for your replies. > yep - its dead easy. Follow the instructions for installing PPP, BPF etc as normal. When it gets to the bit about chat scripts, just quit. turn on logins on the tty (in etc/ttys), and get the user to log in as usual. They then run pppd (at the NeXT end)and it just works. You could set up pppd instead of login if necessary. I statically allocateed the IP address of the remove host, and added it to /etc/hosts. $an
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 30 Jan 1997 20:11:24 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5cqv9c$4rf$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Cc: ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk In <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> "D. D. Brierton" wrote: > > > : On 01/21/97, Tim Holmes wrote: > > > : > > > > : >So a great deal has been said about what NeXT will do > > > : >to or for Apple, but has anyone heard any details on > > > : >what's in store for NeXT? > > There's something I'm curious about: if Rhapsody is going to be some > implementation of OPENSTEP, does that mean that traditional Mac apps, > once re-written for Rhapsody, are also likely to appear for NeXTSTEP > (i.e. for OPENSTEP for Mach)? > > If that happened, I can imagine that a lot of people are going to find > NeXTSTEP a more attractive prospect than Rhapsody. > > Any thoughts? That IS an interesting question. The question is still, though, what do the Mac developers get out of deploying apps on Nextstep/Openstep-for-Mach? Is there enough market for them to make a distribution channel for their products? I hope their is, and that they see it.. but they may not. Ofcourse, if they did, and Apple keeps the promise of continuing to support NS on Intel and Sparc, Apple may be sort of shooting their own foot a little. Why would I, as a Nextstep user, switch to Rhapsody if a) Nextstep continues to be supported, b) Rhapsody uses a Mac UI instead of a Nextstep UI, c) I can get all of the same apps for Nextstep? Admittedly Nextstep users aren't a big enough marketshare for Apple to really worry about not converting us to Rhapsody, other than we're a pre-canned bunch of experts on several aspects of Rhapsody (ie. those aspects they don't change from Nextstep) ready to be unleashed upon the world on the day Rhapsody ships. But then, if you've got a Sparc or a PC and you want to switch to running Mac apps, why buy a Rhapsody box instead of just picking up Nextstep? So again, it could be potential limitation if Apple's main goal is to get everyone using Rhapsody. The problem for Apple is there's only a couple ways to prevent this, and only one of them is "good". 1) Munge Openstep such that Rhapsody's Openstep isn't actually Openstep (or munge the non-Openstep API's in Rhapsody such that they're no longer the same as the non-Openstep API's in Nextstep... meaning, if the app isn't 100% Openstep compliant, you can still mostly just recompile between Nextstep hardwares.. but you wouldn't be able to do that between Nextstep and Rhapsody). Another place to do this is in the UI.. make Rhapsody NIBs incompatable with Nextstep NIBs or something, or make a combined DPS/GX screen model and have all Rhapsody systems require a call to the GX part even if that 1 benign call is all they do.. and don't port GX to the other Nextstep platforms, etc, etc, etc. 2) Give Incentives, Coerce, or otherwise influence Rhapsody developers to not deploy their apps on Nextstep even if the cross-comple/recompile effort required is trivial. 3) Make sure all Nextsteps are "Rhapsody compliant" (except maybe that Intel and Sparc don't have the blue box, and maybe make MAE available as a seperate product for Intel and Sparc), and emphasize all Rhapsody versions equally. I'd personally prefer #3 even if that means I lose the Next UI (though, I'd prefer to keep that option ;-). If I need Mac legacy apps, I'll either get Executor or hope Apple ports MAE to those versions of Rhapsody. Otherwise, Rhapsody is Rhapsody, and I can run it on whichever hardware I want (and may not have to buy new hardware to do that) (though, I've been hoping/wishing for a PPC port of Nextstep for years ;-) I think it's in Apple's best interests, in terms of spreading Rhapsody across the market, to go with #3 (whether they bundle a blue box, or sell a seperate MAE). It may mean that they have to give up the hardware side of their business, but I think that's the direction they've got to go anyway (on the otherhand, we may find that of the 3 (intel, sparc, and ppc) the best platform for running Rhapsody is PPC (without them hindering the speed on intel or sparc, I mean), and that could do their hardware side a LOT of good -- "Buy Rhapsody on Intel or Sparc for your legacy hardware, or buy it for a PowerMac and watch it SCREAM!") -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: sanjeev@ee.umr.edu (Sanjeev Agarwal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help.. [CD ROM drive] .. Date: 31 Jan 1997 01:22:05 GMT Organization: UMR Missouri's Technological University Message-ID: <5crhft$a58$7@news.cc.umr.edu> I had installed a CD ROM driver (6x) on Pentium 133 running NS 3.3. Of late I cannot seem to access the CD ROM driver (for music CDs or otherwise). I was wondering what could have gone wrong. Could it have been some bug in CD Player that comes with the system. What do I need to do to correct this. Thank you .. Sanjeev
From: sanjeev@ee.umr.edu (Sanjeev Agarwal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: [Network Printer?] ... Date: 31 Jan 1997 01:22:29 GMT Organization: UMR Missouri's Technological University Message-ID: <5crhgl$a58$8@news.cc.umr.edu> HI, We have a pentium 133 running NextStep 3.3. I was trying to connect a Network printer (postScript printer) to this machine. What do I need to do for this to work. Thank you very much .. Sanjeev
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From: Charles Bennett <chuck@benatong.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Logitec Mouse on a NeXT Keyboard Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:30:41 -0500 Organization: BenaTong Message-ID: <32F104F1.377C@benatong.com> References: <32E89346.2C4D@delphi.tn.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found it.. (It's no wonder I need a 4 gig drive..I never throw anything away :-) ) The name of the file is LogitecTrackManTrackballReplacment.ps and the author is John Karabaic jk@exnext.com I have made it avaiable for anonymous ftp at ftp.benatong.com in the /pub/next area ftp://ftp.benatong.com/pub/next/LogitechTrackManTrackballReplacement.ps Hope this helps. Chuck BenaTong makers of PowerGuardian for NeXTSTEP -- "It's inexcusable for scientists to torture animals; let them make their experiments on journalists and politicians." Henrik Ibsen
From: kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.X Query Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:27:45 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <MPG.d5adc5ee3b382f7989681@news.xmission.com> References: <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk> In article <32ee673c.7007646@news.dircon.co.uk>, pageant@dircon.co.uk says... > > Hi, > > I'm looking at putting NextStep/OpenStep on my Intel Workstation > and I have a bit of a query. Is OpenStep for Mach (intel) binary > compatable with older NextStep 3.3 applications, or do they need > to be recomplied to be made to work. ??? OpenStep/Mach has built-in support for 3.3 Apps. > Also bearing in mind that im not a student anymore and probably > don't qualify for Next's academic pricing, if I'm not planning to > do any development (at least for the foreseable future) is it > really worth getting the development version ??. Presumably I can > upgrade from User to developer at a later date if I need to ??? > Yes, you can add the Developer package later. Good Luck, Kevin Pompei
From: margret@catshop.com Organization: THE.COPY.CAT.SHOP Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5cr4ll$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5cr4ll$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <5cr4ll$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> References: <5cr4ll$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:44:37 +1 EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "TheCopyCatShop" or "summary of auto-cancels" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: Canon P133 Computer System at Closeout Price.
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep/Sparc Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 01:34:32 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are the differences between Sun's OpenStep/Solaris and NeXT's OPENSTEP/Mach/Sparc? Please post your comments about your experiences with using them. --gh
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 03:01:58 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services-Illinois State University Message-ID: <32F1B4FF.5359@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <32EB12FB.E68@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5cfrf7$p4h@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32ec2b9f.0@192.33.12.30> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jon klein wrote: > Star Trek: The Next Generation > System 8: APeX (I liked that one!) > Anything but NeXTstep 98 will do for me. What about Mac OPENSTEP, then you could still call it Mac OS (but OS would carry a new meaning) -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY even windows with softwindows), >Postscript,...., Perl (aehm :-) ))! Nextstep 5.0? Babylon? **====>> Babylon 5 :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Maarten M Hazewinkel | "Understanding is a three-edged sword." maarten@terkans.demon.nl | -- Ambassador Kosh Naranek, Babylon 5
From: jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 31 Jan 1997 10:57:33 -0700 Organization: Verinet Communications Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> In article <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com>, Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293 <powers@ml.com> wrote: >jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: > > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > > systems. > >Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue >against this. Possibly not. Remember, the pinout is part of the packaging. You can, (and some companies do, to save money) test the silicon before packaging it. Of course, you gotta watch that heat dissapation. . . >The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of >silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. Yah. This is another scenario. As stated above, I was just guessing. But tell me, as an INTEL manager, if you could test the silicon before packaging it, and everything worked fine exept the FP, would you just throw away a very expensive piece of silicon, or would you think seriously about packaging it differently, and selling it as a different part (albeit with the FP completely disabled. . .)? I believe that for a while, due to the high cost of fab, that HP was actually *repairing* chips. This would argue that it is not only possible to depackage and repackage, but possible to do it in a commercially feasible way. . . John S.
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with Slip/PPP on NS2.1 (Repost) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 97 00:08:06 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9701302308.AA14577@basil.icce.rug.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In article <5ciliv$p57@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr>, ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) wrote: > Some help please to someone who would like to have PPP > Slip off an old next running 2.1 NextStep. PLease tell > if such a connection is possible and if so with which > package. I *think* the old Transys DialupIP (SLIP only, not PPP) still works on NS2.x. (The newer Transys-PNI (SLIP) and the various PPP packages need NS3.2(3?) at least). It is probably still available at either ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/ or ftp:/ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/. > Thank you in advance. Previous postings had wrong mail > address which sould be ikouts@isosun.airadne-t.gr Still not good :-/ Please set your Reply-To: header. --- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable __/ _/_/ from a perl script" -- Larry Wall, mangled
From: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with Slip/PPP on NS2.1 (Repost) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:29:41 -0600 Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Message-ID: <32F27255.13AC@ti.com> References: <9701302308.AA14577@basil.icce.rug.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Hageman wrote: > > In article <5ciliv$p57@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr>, > ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) wrote: > > Some help please to someone who would like to have PPP > > Slip off an old next running 2.1 NextStep. PLease tell > > if such a connection is possible and if so with which > > package. > > I *think* the old Transys DialupIP (SLIP only, not PPP) still works on > NS2.x. (The newer Transys-PNI (SLIP) and the various PPP packages need > NS3.2(3?) at least). It is probably still available at either > ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/ or > ftp:/ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/. > > > Thank you in advance. Previous postings had wrong mail > > address which sould be ikouts@isosun.airadne-t.gr You may also check out: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/PPP_for_early_OS.html - Steve -- Stephen J. Perkins Tel. +1(972)995-0029, Fax +1(972)995-6194, e-mail: perkins@ti.com Texas Instruments, P.O. Box 655474, MS 446, Dallas, TX 75265
From: ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf Baechle) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 1 Feb 1997 07:58:25 GMT Organization: Phoenix .d.i.g.i.t.a.l. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> In article <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com>, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: |> In article <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com>, |> Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293 <powers@ml.com> wrote: |> >jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: |> > |> > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. |> > > |> > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so |> > > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) |> > > systems. Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. |> I believe that for a while, due to the high cost of fab, that HP was |> actually *repairing* chips. This would argue that it is not only |> possible to depackage and repackage, but possible to do it in a |> commercially feasible way. . . The cache of the MIPS R5000 contains additional semiconductors that can replace other, faulty ones. The cache is a big part of the die size and the process increases the yield rate without reducing the functionality - which is what you want for a middle class CPU like the R5k. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8).
From: benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr (Jean BENOIT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 31 Jan 1997 16:07:44 GMT Organization: Universite Paris-Sud, France. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ct5cg$795@upsn6.u-psud.fr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> John Stevens (jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com) wrote: : In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, : Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: : : The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the : color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called : the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). Wasn't that the Sinclair QL ? Jean ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean BENOIT e-mail : benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr Institut d'Astrophysique Spatiale tel : (+33) 01 69 85 87 03 Batiment 121, Universite Paris XI fax : (+33) 01 69 85 87 01 91405 ORSAY Cedex FRANCE www : http://www.medoc-ias.u-psud.fr/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Isaac <isaac@pobox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT/NEXTSTEP T-shirt and mug? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:10:52 -0500 Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970130110310.21457A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> References: <01bc06c2$a9cc6ca0$240246cb@athena> <5cbevm$hqm@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5cbevm$hqm@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> On 24 Jan 1997, Carlos Andre (pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br) wrote: > Take a look at my previous Hermann Marketing solicitation > > Date: 30 Dec 1996 09:51:17 -0500 > From: "SPO_2" <team2@hermann.com> > To: "Carlos Andre" <pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br> > > Please find below the quote you requested for the > Next merchandise. Please note minimum order > quantities on the t-shirts and sweatshirts is 72 > pieces, 1500 decals, 144 mugs, 50 desk folders, > and 50 tote bags. [snip] > ------------------------------------------------------------- > 01) THE CLASSIC NEXT LOGO T-SHIRT ITEM # 5180 $4.95 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > XXL UPCHARGE.............. $1.70 Wow! Most of the other items have screen charges, etc. that really drive up the price, but 72 NeXT shirts (the minimum order) comes to $356.40 (plus shipping, I would assume). I don't think it should be too hard to find 72 people who would pay $10 (inclusive of shipping costs) for a NeXT T-shirt. Maybe it's time to pull together a group order... -Isaac
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can NS2.1 run ppp or slip. Please help me! Date: 31 Jan 1997 14:31:22 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5csvnq$21j@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Dear Black Netters, I am sorry to ask again. Is it possible to run PPP and or slip on NS 2.1. If so please give me a few details. I cannot do it in a stable manner. Thank you Ioannis ikouts@isosun.ariadne-t.gr
From: GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Server Date: 1 Feb 1997 15:00:49 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5cvlr1$oes@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> References: <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> <E4u7IB.D46@cam-ani.co.uk> Ian Stephenson (ians@cam-ani.co.uk) wrote: : In article <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> "dgrant" : <darren@oxford.i-way.co.uk> writes: : > I have spent hours looking at FAQ's but don't seem to be able to find : > aything about using a NextStep/OpenStep on intel or Black hardware as a : PPP : > server to allow dial in users. All the informaton seams to be for PPP : > Clients. Is anyone in here using a setup like this? : Follow the instructions for installing PPP, BPF etc as normal. : When it gets to the bit about chat scripts, just quit. : turn on logins on the tty (in etc/ttys), and get the user to log in as : usual. They then run pppd (at the NeXT end)and it just works. You could : set up pppd instead of login if necessary. I statically allocateed the IP : address of the remove host, and added it to /etc/hosts. No extra parameters needed? Just "pppd &" will do? Willem
From: matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:32:28 -0900 Organization: None Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matthewv-0102970132280001@accs-as32-dp12.snfc.grid.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> In article <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de>, ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf Baechle) wrote: > Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way > to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the > wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. > Huh? > Ralf > > -- > A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage > of all the features - manpage of amd(8). -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv@macconnect.com Classical Music and Macintosh computers? Yeah, you could say I'm in the minority...
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From: nxh665@leonard.anu.edu.au (Nathan Hand) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 31 Jan 1997 17:57:33 GMT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ctbqd$pdg@clarion.carno.net.au> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> Christopher C. Wood (christw@lexis-nexis.com) wrote: : Compilers hide that from users -- if you're writing code in a compiled : language, you can't tell, and don't care, if you're on a 68000 : processor or a RISC processor. This helped Sun transition from 68K to : SPARC. Whaddyamean helped? The whole point of C being invented was to help make UNIX easy to port. It's a damn design feature! : So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some : 80386-based machines were 16-bit? Who cares? 386's cost $20 including the monitor, 20MB hard disk and keyboard, and that isn't worth buying. They're *history*. -- The network is the computer.
From: news@cmc.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce,edm.forsale,eug.forsale,eunet.misc,fido.ger.hardware,fido.ger.musik,fido.wa_4sale,fido7.game,fj.announce,fj.fleamarket.misc,fj.forsale,fj.forsale.comp,fj.forsale.books,fj.net.misc,fl.general,fl.forsale Subject: cmsg cancel <32F3B9C6.3826@tidepool.com> Date: 2 Feb 1997 03:10:48 GMT Control: cancel <32F3B9C6.3826@tidepool.com> Message-ID: <cancel.32F3B9C6.3826@tidepool.com> Sender: "P.B.& A.C." <phil@tidepool.com> Spam cancelled by news@cmc.net
From: Jacob Nielsen <jacob@dannug.dk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Server Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 20:18:24 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <970201211824.960AAE+E.jacob@jnext> References: <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> <E4u7IB.D46@cam-ani.co.uk> <5cvlr1$oes@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>> "Willem" == GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) writes: >>>>> "Ian" == Ian Stephenson (ians@cam-ani.co.uk) writes: [How do you set up a PPP server on NS?] Ian> Follow the instructions for installing PPP, BPF etc as normal. Ian> When it gets to the bit about chat scripts, just quit. turn on Ian> logins on the tty (in etc/ttys), and get the user to log in as Ian> usual. They then run pppd (at the NeXT end)and it just works. You Ian> could set up pppd instead of login if necessary. I statically Ian> allocateed the IP address of the remove host, and added it to Ian> /etc/hosts. Willem> No extra parameters needed? Just "pppd &" will do? Most likely. I have a special PPP login ('.../pppd' is the login shell) with an appropiate .ppprc file where I specify (among other things) 'passive' -- should give a connection faster. the IP addresses, that are to be used. 'proxyarp' PS: There's no need to muck with /etc/ttys if you have NXFax (it handles the incoming datacalls for you) It does the job for me. Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen jacob@dannug.dk http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob/
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: reading disks in DOS Date: 1 Feb 1997 21:53:08 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5d1a44$2hv@mpaque.mpaque> References: <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com> In article <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com> flood@cris.com (rob thompson) writes: > At our workplace we have hardware that runs using Nextstep. We copied > some data to floppy and were unable to read them. I was wondering what > file system (assuming not FAT) that Nextstep uses. And If it is a unix > file system if there is a driver or utility to read this disks. By default, NeXTSTEP will format floppies with a Unix file system. I'm not aware of any DOS or MacIntosh utility that can read NeXT's UFS format. In general, your best bet is to use DOS or Mac formatted disks. The NeXTSTEP OS can read and write these disks. Just drag the files onto the destination floppies. Note that for DOS floppies, the names have to be in that 8.3 format, all lower case. Mac file names are limited to 32 characters. -- I don't speak for my employer, whoevere it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with PPPmonitor and scripts Date: 2 Feb 1997 08:05:58 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5d1ht6$hpl@uruguay.earthlink.net> Hello, I wanted to use PPPMonitor1.16 to hook up with my ISP earthlink and establish my connection. I am currently using kermit and log in manually by typing my password and login. I then manually type "do pppd" to finish the connection session. Im trying to use PPPMonitor but dont know what to put in the pppd or pppdown preferences. I cant seem to find the examples the author says are available. If someone has these scripts pppd and pppdown... /usr/local/bin/pppup /usr/local/bin/pppdown ...that work, please send me a copy to quinonez@ucla.edu i am running NSFIP 3.3 and USR 33.3 sportster. Thank you very much. -- _____________________________________________ G. Quinonez, MD quinonez@ucla.edu quinonez@earthlink.net NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: oure@cmfadljf.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD Recordable Media for Sale Date: 2 Feb 1997 13:19:10 GMT Organization: The.Copy.Cat Shop. Message-ID: <5d248e$jct@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> We have the following CD-R media for sale. Brand: Pioneer Type: Printable Media (Surface is blank for printing or labels) Type: Gold on Green Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.99 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: Maxell Type: Gold on Gold Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.55 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: TDK Type: Gold on Green Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.55 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: Hewlett Packard Type Gold on Gold Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 7.15 Minimum Order: 10 Lifetime Warranty The Copy Cat Shop has all your CD duplication, replication, recorders, software, and media needs. If you have any questions or comments feel free to call. Cordially, The Copy Cat Shop 213-650-1680 213-650-9110 Fax
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5d248e$jct@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Date: 2 Feb 1997 13:24:10 GMT Control: cancel <5d248e$jct@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5d248e$jct@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Sender: oure@cmfadljf.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: CDRMEDIA Original Subject: CD Recordable Media for Sale
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Again for NS2.1 PPP Date: 2 Feb 1997 15:29:10 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5d2bs6$qtk@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Hello agina. One can compile ppp.0.3 or Alby (version 0.3). But I wonder why the kernel says cannot send multicast packet to 255.ff.ff.ff or even better why it should destroy my login if something goes wrong when it fails to run ( runit using a serial cable to a mainframe and on the other side i run a ppp slirp program). The cable is not a modem cable but a driect connection. Also i had not fixed the dns but I am not sure that this was the kernrl's problem. ANy help please ? Ioannis ikouts@isosun.ariadne-t.gr P.S Thanks Steve
From: pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br (Carlos Andre "Pubah") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Black_Hardware_Cellebration: Painting White Hardware ------> Is It Possible? Date: 2 Feb 1997 17:35:35 GMT Organization: The Pubah Foundation Message-ID: <5d2j97$nq7@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I have a dream. I wanna paint my White Hardware with NeXT classical black hardware color. Quesntions: 1. Is It Possible? 2. If I Can... 2.1. How To with my tower case? 2.2 How to with my keybord? 2.3 How to with my monitor? I would apreciate comments. thanks a lot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- carlos andre "pubah" - the pubah foundation - rio de janeiro, brazil pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br - rio 2004, candidate city ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: BABAK@TI.COM (Babak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce Subject: Re: GREAT STUFF AT WHOLESALE PRICES! Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 12:13:12 -0600 Organization: TI Message-ID: <BABAK-0202971213120001@pbbmac.csc.ti.com> References: <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> In article <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com>, "P.B.& A.C." <phil@tidepool.com> wrote: > -- > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > | | > * * > | Looking for some great CD's, | > * videos, books, computer software and more * > | at wholesale prices? Seeing is believing! | > * Check us out! * > | | > * * > | http://www.tidepool.com/becker | > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* you call these a WHOLE SALE price?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Black_Hardware_Cellebration: Painting White Hardware ------> Is It Possible? Date: 2 Feb 97 15:03:32 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF1A5D48-9B300@207.147.52.185> References: <5d2j97$nq7@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.hardware, nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.marketplace On Sun, Feb 2, 1997 12:35 PM, Carlos Andre "Pubah" <mailto:pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br> wrote: > I have a dream. > > I wanna paint my White Hardware with NeXT classical > black hardware color. > > Quesntions: > > 1. Is It Possible? > > 2. If I Can... > > 2.1. How To with my tower case? > 2.2 How to with my keybord? > 2.3 How to with my monitor? > > I would apreciate comments. > > thanks a lot Check out the NeXT faq. I think under topic #9 there is a description of the proper paint to use. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce Subject: cmsg cancel <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> Date: 2 Feb 1997 21:11:02 GMT Control: cancel <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> Message-ID: <cancel.32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> Sender: "P.B.& A.C." <phil@tidepool.com> Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970202.84. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970202.84.html for complete report. Original Subject: GREAT STUFF AT WHOLESALE PRICES!
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From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: 2 Feb 1997 18:47:36 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5d2ng8$klv$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> In comp.sys.next.misc Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: : In <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Nick Sharpe wrote: : > I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, : > can there be Quake for OpenStep? [...] : There is the possibility to poke a hole in the windowserver and access the : framebuffer directly. It's called "Interceptor" and the API is not publicly : disclosed, although some companies do seem to have the API. NeXTIME uses : Interceptor. NeXTIME does _not_ use Interceptor. -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: erikr@cs.Stanford.EDU (Erik Rauch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo problem - "Can't contact NetInfo server for local domain" Date: 3 Feb 1997 01:33:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <5d3f8c$h5i@Radon.Stanford.EDU> Hello, I have a mono NeXTstation '040 with 8 mb of RAM, and I've had a mysterious NetInfo problem since I upgraded from 3.0 to 3.3 that I was wondering if anyone else had run into. When I try to open NetInfoManager, it says "Can't contact NetInfo server for local domain." At boot time, after everything else has been loaded and it's about to display the login window, it sits there for about 5 minutes doing nothing before showing the login window. nibindd and netinfod are both running: > ps -waux | egrep 'nibindd|netinfo' USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root 94 0.0 1.3 1.59M 104K ? SW 0:00 /usr/etc/nibindd root 95 0.0 1.5 2.81M 120K ? SW 0:18 /usr/etc/netinfod local and the netinfo utilities (niutil, nidump) work. When I upgraded to 3.3, I copied my old 3.0 netinfo database. I thought this might be a problem, but I tried replacing it with a .nidb from another 3.3 machine and the problem persisted. The machine is on a non-NetInfo ethernet network but it boots locally. Any advice would be appreciated. -Erik Rauch -- .-----------------------------------------------------------------------. |Erik Rauch * URL: http://xenon.stanford.edu/~erikr * rauch@stanford.edu|
From: ray@anderson.vt.com (Ray Johnston) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Shareware... any software? Date: 3 Feb 1997 03:03:31 GMT Organization: Anderson Construction Message-ID: <ray-0202971939220001@anderson.vt.com> Do any of ya'll know of an archive of software for the NeXT ? I am a new NeXTSTATION owner and would like to put it to some use, perhaps as a web server. I use Macs most of the time, but would like to find some software for the NeXT as well. Also, if I use the NeXT as a server, what can I do about the monitor? I can't seem to dim it all the way off. Are there any screen savers for it? NeXTSTATION 25mhz, 8/105 Please e-mail me with any answers, thanks! Ray Johnston ray@anderson.vt.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp Subject: Grammar Check Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:38:28 GMT Dnas-Posting-Host: psyche.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp Organization: Institute of Information Sciences & Electronics, University of Tsukuba, Japan Sender: news@is.tsukuba.ac.jp (News Manager) Message-ID: <1997Jan31.043828.28530@is.tsukuba.ac.jp> I'm a not english native speaking person that has to write a paper in english. I'm wondering if there is any english grammar check application available that I can get from the Net? Thanks. -- *************************************************************** Molinari Diego A. E-mail:diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp Master Program in Science and Engineering Tsukuba University, Japan Te: +81-298-53-5363 ***************************************************************
From: spagiola@worldbank.org (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Formatting JAZ-Disks Message-ID: <32EA5300.63C4@worldbank.org> Date: 25 Jan 97 18:37:52 GMT References: <5c7mn1$r5j@hagen.amg.de> Organization: World Bank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Mocker wrote: > does anyone know, how to format a JAZ Disc (IOMEGA) under NEXTSTEP 3.3 ?? There's a NeXTAnswer on this. Go to NeXTAnswers and search for Jaz. -- Stefano Pagiola 850 N Randolph Str No.817, Arlington VA 22203, USA All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: 3 Feb 1997 08:26:19 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5d47fb$rbs$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> <5d2ng8$klv$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> In comp.sys.next.misc Axel Habermann <kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de> wrote: : In comp.sys.next.misc Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: : : In <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Nick Sharpe wrote: : : > I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, : : > can there be Quake for OpenStep? : [...] [...] : NeXTIME does _not_ use Interceptor. Well, this is incorrect. Sorry for the misinformation: belly kiwi 4 (~): otool -L /NextLibrary/NEXTIME/NTServer /NextLibrary/NEXTIME/NTServer: /usr/shlib/libInterceptor_s.A.shlib (minor version 1) /usr/shlib/libNeXT_s.C.shlib (minor version 57) /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib (minor version 55) (On my first investigation I only looked in NEXTIME.app/NEXTIME which indeed does not use Interceptor, but its server does) -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: grotskos@compulink.gr (Gabriel Rotskos) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:36:44 GMT Organization: CompuLink Network S.A. Message-ID: <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> On 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) wrote: >The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the >color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called >the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). No, the Spectrum (that was the name) used the Z80. The 68008 was used in the Sinclair QL (for Quantum Leap). Gabriel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Message-ID: <E50tLs.B5@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> <5d2ng8$klv$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:41:51 GMT kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) wrote: > In comp.sys.next.misc Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: > : There is the possibility to poke a hole in the windowserver and access the > : framebuffer directly. It's called "Interceptor" and the API is not publicly > : disclosed, although some companies do seem to have the API. NeXTIME uses > : Interceptor. > > NeXTIME does _not_ use Interceptor. > Sorry Axel...but where did you get this from ? Clearly Mike stated (even here on Usenet) that Interceptor was developed for NeXTIME. If your hardware is not mapable (like the NeXTdimension) NeXTIME will drop back to the regular DPS/WindowServer bitmap operations. But if Interceptor is available, as far as I understand it, the componentes of NeXTIME will ensure that your NTSamelBuffers will be converted the the right bit-layout and the final NTDisplayContext will use Interceptor to bang the data into the screen. Aloha Tomi
From: I donno <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 15:27:11 -0500 Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32F4F89F.1B52@ipoline.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> <matthewv-0102970132280001@accs-as32-dp12.snfc.grid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Vaughan wrote: > > In article <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de>, ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf > Baechle) wrote: > > > Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way > > to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the > > wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. > > > Huh? > > > Ralf > > > > -- Actually I found MS Office to be very fast and effecient. I used both OFFICE 95/97 and like them very much. WordPerfect and Lotus are good, MS Office is EXCEPTIONAL EXCELLENT.
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: cmsg cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com> Control: cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 08:22:55 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R0302970822550001@news.mindspring.com> cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com>
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: cmsg cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> Control: cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 08:23:09 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R0302970823090001@news.mindspring.com> cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com>
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another Thought on NS/apple Date: 3 Feb 1997 16:34:39 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5d542v$2cq@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Hello. I do not understand why people bother so much for the Unix aspect of NS. I think this is minor when one sees this nice appkit being brought to other systems. Every time i turn on my old black hardware i feel i am at home. Not to mention when I develop something. On any other system I experience this fear that something will not work or collapse. Why nother for the login hook when by the time you learn a few basics you are in environment where you can create ? Humble thoughts Johny The Great ikouts@isosun.ariadne-t.gr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: benson@math01.sfasu.edu (Benson) Subject: Slip or PPP Message-ID: <237cd$a290.186@news.sfasu.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:41:00 GMT I am looking for a PPP or Slip file to install in my dir. to allow me to dial up my host and run either a PPP or Slip, through Trumpet Winsock from my home computer. Similar to TIA or SLiRP. I can not use any programs the need to be compiled or have to be installed from root. I am just a user on the system and do not have root access. And the admin disabled the compilers. Thank you. -- Later, Steven.
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: OpenStep for Windows 95 ? Date: 03 Feb 1997 16:48:43 GMT Message-ID: <2629369822.16501213@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA Hi, Does any body have heard about plan in which NeXT will suport OpenStep for Windows NT ? We used to develop cross-platform program in the client/serveur area. We are looking for a long time for a cross-platform environment (MacOS/Win16/Win32). Finally, we decided to develop our own framework. We are very interested by the OpenStep product but we need the win 95 market. The price of the runtime is also a important issue. Does any body have heard about the future price policy of OpenStep ? Thanks in advance, Roger FLATTIN CORNUT Informatique rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Rapsody will use Mach Date: 03 Feb 1997 16:56:09 GMT Message-ID: <1946623959.16501244@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA That's what is announce in the home page of the apple devworld web server (http://www.devworld.com/). The detail of the core OS will be publish within a month. Roger FLATTIN CORNUT Informatique rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: Bill Mitchell <bill.mitchell@mercyic.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 11:29:21 -0600 Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Message-ID: <32F62071.575A@mercyic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Having just purchased a black cube, I was wondering what X-server software is out there. Thanks in advance. Bill Mitchell
From: matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 23:04:11 -0900 Organization: None Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matthewv-0202972304110001@accs-as32-dp06.snfc.grid.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> <matthewv-0102970132280001@accs-as32-dp12.snfc.grid.net> <32F4F89F.1B52@ipoline.com> In article <32F4F89F.1B52@ipoline.com>, I donno <chu@ipoline.com> wrote: > Matthew Vaughan wrote: > > > > In article <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de>, ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf > > Baechle) wrote: > > > > > Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way > > > to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the > > > wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. > > > > > Huh? > > > > > Ralf > > > > > > -- > Actually I found MS Office to be very fast and effecient. I used both > OFFICE 95/97 and like them very much. WordPerfect and Lotus are good, > MS Office is EXCEPTIONAL EXCELLENT. I was in no way questioning how well software runs on Intel machines. I was questioning Ralf's strange statement regarding the FPUs on "Motorola" chips. (I assume he means the 68040?) If so, the chip in no way hides whether or not it has a FPU. The 68040 has one, the 68LC040 does not. (The 68040 was used in high-end Quadra models, the 68LC040 was used in low-cost LC and Performa models, and PowerBooks. This was very similar to the use of 80486 vs. 486SX in the PC world.) I have no idea what he mans by "wrecked leftover in the embedded variant." If he's speaking of an imbedded variety of 68000-series chip used in automobiles, etc., then it has no bearing on personal computers. Such microcontrollers generally have different capabilities than their CPU relatives, capabilities which are appropriate to the tasks they will be used for, and I've never heard Ford or GM complaining. If he is speaking of Macintosh programs, then they can test for the presence of a FPU, and make use of it accordingly. (Apple reccommends that programmers use Apple's somewhat slower math routines, for the sake of compatibility. In this case, the program would not know, or need to know, whether or not a FPU is present.) -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv@macconnect.com Classical Music and Macintosh computers? Yeah, you could say I'm in the minority...
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Silly question about NeXT black printer Date: 3 Feb 1997 16:13:35 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <5d52rf$5kq@netty.york.ac.uk> Does anoybody know a command line option to LPR to turn-off the page reordering on the printer ? This would help a lot in getting it to deal with the broken PostScript produced by some M$ apps. I;m sure such an option exists, I just can't find it... -bat.
From: David Pascua <pascua+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:44:22 -0500 Organization: Alumni account, GSIA Alumni Network, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YmxX86m00YWnA3f3hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> Hello all, Is it just me, or is the nextppp mailing list (nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com) down? While the list isn't usually chatty, I haven't gotten anything for the last few weeks. I posted a question, but I never saw my question nor any answers... Anyway, while I have your attention, here's the question I posted to the mailing list. Hopefully, someone here can help me out... Excerpts from out: 14-Jan-97 newbie -- configuring PPP c.. by => nextppp@chinx1.though >I'm trying to setup a PPP connection from home to work. For security >reasons, my company has established the dial-in procedure where I call >my company, enter a PIN on the phone's keypad, then hangup. The modem >at my company would then call me back and my modem would (should) >answer, and then the PPP connection would be set up. > >I've read the NeXTPPP documentation and FAQ, as well as the general PPP >faq and I couldn't find anything about dealing with dial-back as >described above. And before diving into the scripts, I thought that >perhaps someone else had already configured NeXTPPP to work with >dial-back. Can anyone offer any help? > >BTW, this my first time working with PPP. However, at my previous >company, I had successfully setup a SLIP client on my NeXT (but no >dial-back), so I'm not totally clueless about IP addresssing... Any help would be greatly appreciated! -Dave
From: SoundChaser <soundchaser@velodrome.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for Windows 95 ? Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 12:21:03 -0800 Organization: hmmm Message-ID: <32F648AF.6078@velodrome.com> References: <2629369822.16501213@cornut.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: rflattin@cornut.fr Roger Flattin wrote: > > Hi, > > Does any body have heard about plan in which NeXT will suport OpenStep for > Windows NT ? > > We used to develop cross-platform program in the client/serveur area. We are > looking for a long time for a cross-platform environment (MacOS/Win16/Win32). > Finally, we decided to develop our own framework. > > We are very interested by the OpenStep product but we need the win 95 market. > > The price of the runtime is also a important issue. Does any body have heard > about the future price policy of OpenStep ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Roger FLATTIN > CORNUT Informatique > rflattin@cornut.fr > > ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- > --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- > CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS > BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ > France email: info@cornut.fr OpenStep 4.1 currently supports developing and deploying on NT; The 4.2 release just going into Beta, supports deploying on Win95; So develop in NT or Mach, deploy on NT,Mach or Win 95; There you go.
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: 3 Feb 1997 18:51:12 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> gbh@erols.com wrote: >What are the differences between Sun's OpenStep/Solaris and >NeXT's OPENSTEP/Mach/Sparc? Please post your comments about >your experiences with using them. OPENSTEP for Mach (pronounced "NEXTSTEP", at least by me) is just like what you'd see on a black NeXT or on any other machine running OPENSTEP for Mach. OPENSTEP for Solaris is really Solaris underneath. The Mach UNIX is sort of a POSIXified BSD with Netinfo. In other words, it's more like SunOS than Solaris. I run NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a SPARC here, and it's just like 3.3 on my cube at home (but faster and in color). We're not a Solaris shop, so I haven't tried OPENSTEP for Solaris, but you can download a demo from Sun's web pages if you've got a Solaris machine around. I'd love to try the two side by side, but I haven't a spare machine. I'm not up to OPENSTEP (that's 4.x) yet, but I imagine the "for Mach" version is similar to all the NEXTSTEPs that came before. I don't know if they're still binary compatible, and the "for Solaris" and "for NT" versions almost certainly aren't. I've been on the NEXTSTEP bandwagon basically from the start, and 3.3 on a SPARC is my best experience yet. When I get a faster PC, I plan to try it there too, but it wasn't very good on my little '486/40 (a complete dog next to my cube). I imagine a Pentium with a lot of memory would be fine (and cheaper than a Sun). I wouldn't buy a Sun to run OPENSTEP (get a big fat PC), but if I had a Sun on my desk, I wouldn't run anything else on it. If that Sun were running Solaris, I'd try the demo version. And since I'm typing this on a SPARC running 3.3, I've put my (own, not the department's) money where my mouth is. :-) ab
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: 3 Feb 1997 18:55:28 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5d5cb0$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com>?<32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com>?<59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>?<59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>?<5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org>?<32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net>?<32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com>?<5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de>?<5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>?<32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net>?<5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>?<jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>?<MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com>?96 <5cav6j$mi5@main.ipf.de> <AF13DF69966810BEAC@terkans.demon.nl> I think the key word here is "OPEN", because that's the main thing Apple's buying in to. Since they're using Mach, "OPENSTEP for Mac", while a good pun is not accurate. I like just plan "OPENSTEP for Mach" or "OPEN Mac". We could dance through all the capitalization patterns again, too. :-) ab
Control: cancel <BABAK-0202971213120001@pbbmac.csc.ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce From: news@mattress.atww.org Subject: cmsg cancel <BABAK-0202971213120001@pbbmac.csc.ti.com> Sender: BABAK@TI.COM (Babak) Organization: - Message-ID: <cancel.BABAK-0202971213120001@pbbmac.csc.ti.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 16:44:37 GMT Subject line: Re: GREAT STUFF AT WHOLESALE PRICES! This post was cancelled for one or more of the following: 1. It was out of area, off-topic, or inappropriate for a local dc.* newsgroup. 2. It was a duplicate copy of another posting. 3. ECRP violation.
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Converting next files? Date: 4 Feb 1997 06:49:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970204064901.BAA21405@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <32F6A14C.43D7@ix.netcom.com> .PS Postscript printer files can be converted into Acrobat .PDF by Acrobat Distiller--I believe this is now included with Acrobat 3.0 (the commercial product, the one which makes .PDFs, not the freely-distributed reader). I believe FrameMaker files are binary compatible across platforms... Another option, if you're willing to move to it, would be to get FreeHand, and an XTra for it called PS Editlink, which will interpret .PS and EPS files into native Freehand files. Hope this helps! William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Franc Garcia <fgarcia2@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting next files? Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 21:39:08 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <32F6A14C.43D7@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an old next cube. During the time that I used it I amassed a large number of important Framemaker files. I also have many files in PS format. Does anyone know if it's possible to convert these frame files to framemaker for windows? HOw about converting the ps to acrobat or some other windows fomrat without scrambling them up? Thanks, Franc
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 2 Feb 1997 20:52:20 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5d2uq4$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> "D. D. Brierton" <ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > There's something I'm curious about: if Rhapsody is going to be > some implementation of OPENSTEP, does that mean that traditional > Mac apps, once re-written for Rhapsody, are also likely to appear > for NeXTSTEP (i.e. for OPENSTEP for Mach)? > > If that happened, I can imagine that a lot of people are going > to find NeXTSTEP a more attractive prospect than Rhapsody. > > Any thoughts? Rhapsody is going to include a lot of Mac technologies (the Quicktime Media Layer, OpenDoc, etc). Chances are that NeXTSTEP will not. So, there are some Mac apps which probably won't make it to NeXTSTEP, even if they are running on Rhapsody. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 2 Feb 1997 20:56:52 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5d2v2k$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <5cqv9c$4rf$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) wrote: > Ofcourse, if they did, and Apple keeps the promise of continuing > to support NS on Intel and Sparc, Apple may be sort of shooting > their own foot a little. Why would I, as a Nextstep user, switch > to Rhapsody if a) Nextstep continues to be supported, b) Rhapsody > uses a Mac UI instead of a Nextstep UI, c) I can get all of the > same apps for Nextstep? How is this a case of Apple shooting it's own foot? If you buy new versions of NeXTSTEP, that money will go to Apple. They will still have you as a customer. Note on b) Rhapsody will also probably have various Macintosh technologies that they may not take the time to port to NeXTSTEP. As such, your point c) is very likely to not happen. If they take everything that they port to Rhapsody and port it to NeXTSTEP too, then NeXTSTEP will be Rhapsody. > The problem for Apple is there's only a couple ways to prevent > this, and only one of them is "good". I see no reason for Apple to what to prevent any of this. Let's not get our conspiracy theories all fired up just yet. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Rich Lafferty <lafferty@cs.mcgill.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rapsody will use Mach Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:44:41 -0500 Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970204054308.6506B-100000@lisa.cs.mcgill.ca> References: <1946623959.16501244@cornut.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1946623959.16501244@cornut.fr> On 3 Feb 1997, Roger Flattin wrote: > That's what is announce in the home page of the apple devworld web server > (http://www.devworld.com/). > > The detail of the core OS will be publish within a month. > > Roger FLATTIN > CORNUT Informatique > rflattin@cornut.fr YM "http://devworld.apple.com/". Also, fyi: http://macos.apple.com/ has some interesting stuff here and there. I've been gorging on hopes of the next NeXT for quite a while tonight. Now, if only I could *afford* any of this. *sigh*. -Rich
From: joshua@precipice-mp.com (Joshua Whalen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:02:00 -0500 Organization: Precipice Multimedia Productions Message-ID: <joshua-0402970702000001@dial03.bway.net> References: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com>?<32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com>?<59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>?<59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>?<5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org>?<32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net>?<32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com>?<5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de>?<5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>?<32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net>?<5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>?<jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>?<MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com>?96 <5cav6j$mi5@main.ipf.de> <AF13DF69966810BEAC@terkans.demon.nl> <5d5cb0$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> I was thinking, that if the first MacStep box's used Exponential processors, then a good codename for them would be something like "Godzilla". That way, when Byte does the inevitable Mac/Wintel comparison, the article could be titled "Microsoft vs. Godzilla", which would be appropriatte. Joshua In article <5d5cb0$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) wrote: > I think the key word here is "OPEN", because that's the main > thing Apple's buying in to. Since they're using Mach, > "OPENSTEP for Mac", while a good pun is not accurate. > > I like just plan "OPENSTEP for Mach" or "OPEN Mac". We > could dance through all the capitalization patterns again, > too. :-) > > ab
From: perkins@netmass.com (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: 4 Feb 1997 14:13:30 GMT Organization: Netmass Communications Message-ID: <5d7g6a$dsp$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> References: <YmxX86m00YWnA3f3hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> > > Is it just me, or is the nextppp mailing list > (nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com) down? While the list isn't usually > chatty, I haven't gotten anything for the last few weeks. I posted a > question, but I never saw my question nor any answers... Ahhh... you are quite correct. The listprocessor died. It has been restarted. Thanks for the heads up. > Anyway, while I have your attention, here's the question I posted to the > mailing list. Hopefully, someone here can help me out... > > Excerpts from out: 14-Jan-97 newbie -- configuring PPP c.. by => > nextppp@chinx1.though > >I'm trying to setup a PPP connection from home to work. For security > >reasons, my company has established the dial-in procedure where I call > >my company, enter a PIN on the phone's keypad, then hangup. The modem > >at my company would then call me back and my modem would (should) > >answer, and then the PPP connection would be set up. > > > >I've read the NeXTPPP documentation and FAQ, as well as the general PPP > >faq and I couldn't find anything about dealing with dial-back as > >described above. And before diving into the scripts, I thought that > >perhaps someone else had already configured NeXTPPP to work with > >dial-back. Can anyone offer any help? > > > >BTW, this my first time working with PPP. However, at my previous > >company, I had successfully setup a SLIP client on my NeXT (but no > >dial-back), so I'm not totally clueless about IP addresssing... I havn't done callback myself. But here is one way it may work. Your pppup script will not call pppd. Instead, it will just be a chat script that dials the modem and negotiates the callback Once done, the pppup script will exit. When the pppup script exits, I assume you will hang up your modem and start to wait for a callback. Set up your machine to run pppd on the serial port instead of getty. Make sure you use the 'silent' option to pppd. This involves modifying /etc/ttys. Note that this is a "shot from the hip". Others may have a better way to do it. I believe the mailing list is back up and your message should be out. Hopefully you'll hear back soon. - Steve --- Stephen J. Perkins <perkins@netmass.com> NetMass Communications NeXT OS3.3 with PPP-2.3 : http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
From: cortesr@alleg.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WordPerfect Lock Date: 5 Feb 1997 06:48:57 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Message-ID: <5d9agp$5lk@speering.alleg.edu> Hello: Well, I was looking through my account and I found this WordPerfect file. The problem is that it is locked. I don't even remember what was in the file that I had to lock it! I read the Info->Help about locking files and it says that once you lock a file, the only way to view the file is with the password. Is this true? Has anyone figured a way to view a file without the password? Thanks, Ricardo -- Ricardo Cortes Allegheny College cortesr@alleg.edu (NeXTMail OK) http://ace.alleg.edu/~cortes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: Shareware... any software? Message-ID: <E532p2.3I5@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Sender: nobody@gateway.ali.bc.ca Cc: ray@anderson.vt.com Organization: ALI Technologies Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:53:25 GMT References: <ray-0202971939220001@anderson.vt.com> In comp.sys.next.misc Ray Johnston wrote: > Do any of ya'll know of an archive of software for the NeXT ? Try: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next ftp://ftp.peanuts.org ftp://ftp.omnigroup.com > Are there any screen savers for it? Each user can have their own screen saver preferences by running the BackSpace application found in /NextDeveloper/Demos. Just put it on your dock and use Workspace's preferences to set it to autolaunch on login. You will find a number of free additional plug-ins (Backspace Modules) for this application at the ftp site mentioned above. > NeXTSTATION 25mhz, 8/105 I would strongly recommend putting some more RAM in that baby if you are going to use it for anything non-trivial. Things run much more smoothly if you aren't swapping alot. -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck." -- Rob Pike, commenting on The X Window System
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 18:41:19 -0600 From: poundmacvits@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <855100411.26830@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <5d2uq4$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <5d2uq4$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu>, > > Rhapsody is going to include a lot of Mac technologies (the Quicktime > Media Layer, OpenDoc, etc). Chances are that NeXTSTEP will not. > So, there are some Mac apps which probably won't make it to NeXTSTEP, > even if they are running on Rhapsody. > It's not just that Rhapsody will contain a lot of mac technologies that will prevent a lot of mac apps from appearing for NeXTSTEP. Rhapsody, hopefully, will contain a 'bluebox' that will run MacOS applications. NeXTSTEP does not contain such a siamese setup, although there are apparantly virtual mac machines for NeXTSTEP. This is really a moot point though since most future apps developed for Rhapsody will probably run on current NeXT setups, while at the same time current mac apps will be gradually ported the Rhapsody OS i.e. will probably run under NeXT. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 01:19:20 -0900 Organization: None Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matthewv-0402970119210001@accs-as32-dp08.snfc.grid.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr> In article <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr>, grotskos@compulink.gr (Gabriel Rotskos) wrote: > On 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John > Stevens) wrote: > > >The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the > >color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called > >the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). > > No, the Spectrum (that was the name) used the Z80. The 68008 was used > in the Sinclair QL (for Quantum Leap). > > Gabriel Wasn't Rainbow the name of a machine from DEC? -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv@macconnect.com Classical Music and Macintosh computers? Yeah, you could say I'm in the minority...
From: GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: differences in NS3.2 and 3.3 for PingPong Date: 5 Feb 1997 13:29:02 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5da1uu$mqi@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> Hi there, PingPong is a PNG viewer for black/white hardware. (BTW PNG is the proposed license-free replacement for GIF). I'm the author of this viewer and I'm confronted with a very unexplainable problem. On my system (black NS3.2) everything is fine. However, one other person who runs on black 3.3 and white 4.1 has the problem that everything is fine, until he opens images larger than 800x1000. Are there people running white NS3.2 and who are using PingPong that are willing to test for me if images > 800x1000 are going fine? And the same for other users of NS3.3 black or white, because it could still be a configuration issue. Please send me your success / failure story for both small and large images, including your configuration. Thanks a lot, Willem willem@gintic.gov.sg http://mht3.gintic.gov.sg:8000/pingpong/ or http://mht3.gintic.gov.sg:8000/png/ for more general info on PNG.
From: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 12:52:40 -0600 Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Message-ID: <32F8D6F8.3C14@ti.com> References: 039ccb56ec357ebe579c0dba943953cc - <199702042250.RAA02464@nerc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: luomat@peak.org Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > Responding To: David Pascua <pascua+@andrew.cmu.edu> > Original Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:44:22 -0500 > > > Is it just me, or is the nextppp mailing list > > (nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com) down? > > I haven't been getting anytbing either. > > You might try resubscribing. > > I've started posting to comp.protocols.ppp for my questions. > Hi all, the problem with the listprocessor is as follows: Many people subscribe using an email address that stands behind a PPP link. If the listprocessor tries to send you mail and has trouble connecting to your domain (PPP link is down) it will change your status to "POSTPONE". Basically this means you are still subscribed but you don't get CC'd on the mail. The listprocessor does try for awhile. But if it receives too many returns (due to timeout) it will change the status. I have not been very happy with listproc and have wanted to move to majordomo. However, my last attempts at moving the list were met with a bit of resistance from the sysadmins. I hope that in the near future I will be able to move the mailing list to one that works a bit better. Sorry for the troubles... - Steve -- Stephen J. Perkins Tel. +1(972)995-0029, Fax +1(972)995-6194, e-mail: perkins@ti.com Texas Instruments, P.O. Box 655474, MS 446, Dallas, TX 75265
From: ptwareck@the-wire.com (Piotr Twarecki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Impact Software Publishing - Dead or Alive? Date: 5 Feb 1997 00:09:19 GMT Organization: -the-Wire- in Toronto, Canada Message-ID: <5d8j3f$g7m$1@news.the-wire.com> ReplyTo: ptwareck@the-wire.com Hello, I've been trying to reach Impact by mail and by phone for the past two weeks with no luck. Are they still in business? --- Piotr Twarecki <ptwareck@the-wire.com> (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
From: seward@netcom.ca (John Savard) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 02:15:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Canada Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5dbf2q$n6o@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr> <matthewv-0402970119210001@accs-as32-dp08.snfc.grid.net> matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: >In article <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr>, grotskos@compulink.gr >(Gabriel Rotskos) wrote: >> On 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John >> Stevens) wrote: >> >> >The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the >> >color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called >> >the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). >> >> No, the Spectrum (that was the name) used the Z80. The 68008 was used >> in the Sinclair QL (for Quantum Leap). >> >> Gabriel >Wasn't Rainbow the name of a machine from DEC? Yes. The Sinclair Spectrum was a small machine, a color version of their famous really cheap computer. The Sinclair QL, based on an 8-bit bus version of the 68000, the 68008, was more like an ordinary home computer, but it used tape cartridges based on a proprietary videotape-like technology rather than floppy disks. The DEC Rainbow belonged to a series of computers they made. There was a terminal, a word processor, and a proprietary computer with a very weird dual disk drive (it had bilateral symmetry...you put the disk in one way in one half of it, and the other way in the other drive). When it first came out, there was no format program...you had to buy preformatted disks from DEC only, but they woke up and corrected that. (One of the early Compucolor computers was like that too!) The terminal from that family starred in the movie "Electric Dreams", although either the Mac or the Amiga probably inspired the movie. John Savard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Eric K. Ringger" <ringger@cs.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Grammar Check In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:09:17 GMT." <E54MzI.2x6@euler.han.de> Message-ID: <199702060400.XAA29273@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Cc: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 23:00:27 -0500 Juergen Sell wrote: >diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp writes >> >> I'm a not english native speaking person that has to write a paper in >> english. >> I'm wondering if there is any english grammar check application available >> that I can get from the Net? > >Spelling: Yes. >Grammar: Most probably not. There is/was a company named InfoSoft that license >d >its grammar checker to M$ Word. I am afraid it was not too good. Besides I >could never get them interested in licnesing it for a NS port. >No other product is available to my knowledge. [...] If you're willing to run Office '97 from MS, then you can use the new home-grown grammar checker in Word '97. Normally I wouldn't even dare mention the thing in a NeXT newsgroup. ;') However, I did a couple of internships with the research group that built the parser and related technology for the grammar checker. It's definitely an improvement over the old InfoSoft checker. Good luck. --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger mailto:ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Office: +1-716-275-0922; Lab: +1-716-275-1083 University of Rochester Fax: +1-716-461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ringger/ ||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |||||
From: "Andrew Kim" <akim@pop.cogsoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: PPP Help!!! Anyone? Date: 4 Feb 97 21:52:05 -0800 Organization: Cogent Software Message-ID: <AF1D600C-2BE8A@207.13.170.22> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.hardware, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.sysadmin --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any one can tell me how to set up PPP for OpenStep 4.0 (040 Black) by step by step instruction? Online help does not gives me a bit helpful. I have Supra Sonic and NeXTstation Color. I am very confused and I have a no idea what to do. Thank you for any suggestion. PS. I tried Gatekeeper, & Kermit. but never worked. What did I do wrong??? --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-0002BCFC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-0002BCFC Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PARAM>Palatino</PARAM>Is there any one can tell me how to set up PPP for OpenStep 4.0 (040 Black) by step by step instruction? Online help does not gives me a bit helpful. I have Supra Sonic and NeXTstation Color. I am very confused and I have a no idea what to do. Thank you for any suggestion. PS. I tried Gatekeeper, & Kermit. but never worked. What did I do wrong???</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE> --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-0002BCFC-- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC--
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4091552a.17041612@news.zippo.com> Date: 6 Feb 1997 09:31:43 GMT Control: cancel <4091552a.17041612@news.zippo.com> Message-ID: <cancel.4091552a.17041612@news.zippo.com> Sender: cjtech@inreach.com Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Oracle and NeXTStep 3.3: do I need SQL*Net? Date: 6 Feb 1997 07:56:59 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <5dcker$j0i@papoose.quick.com> References: <5cocoq$ht7@join.news.pipex.net> In article <5cocoq$ht7@join.news.pipex.net>, Jeff Richmond <jrichmond@i-way.co.uk> wrote: >I am assuming I need to purchase Oracle's SQL*Net to establish a database >connection to an instance not on my local machine. Is this right? Or does >NeXTStep ship with a version of SQL*Net? If it does, I can't find it. >If it is not part of the distribution (Devl or User), does anyone have a copy >I could buy? Cheers, EOF contains underlying code to connect to Oracle. SQLNet itself is not directly available. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: Adam Krolnik <adamk@cyrix.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:33:05 -0600 Organization: Cyrix Corp. Message-ID: <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Braunsdorf wrote: > > gbh@erols.com wrote: > >What are the differences between Sun's OpenStep/Solaris and > >NeXT's OPENSTEP/Mach/Sparc? Please post your comments about > >your experiences with using them. > Openstep on Solaris is VERY slow. I takes a long time to open windows and use it. There are many annoying problems with the window system. I think they are performance related (the window system is slow, therefore operators need to do things a little slower than usual.) There are annoying bugs that make some of the commonly used operations not work well. "Services->Mail->selection" produces two menu's on the screen. getting rid of one, causes the corner one to move to the middle of the screen. Using Edit, don't use folding as the editor doesn't save folded text. There aren't many apps for Openstep solaris. I am sad that OW 2.0 isn't available as I'm not too happy with some things of netscape. Everyone who sees it says that's neat. But alas, it's slow. Also, as most have started seeing, postscript isn't what it used to be. Many files that I try to read using the previewer can't be understood. I guess that postscript written from a .pdf file is not really compatible with this anymore. It's OpenStep (looks like NeXTStep, feels like NeXTStep, but slower, I have a NeXTStep machine...) Adam Krolnik Design Verification Engineer Cyrix, Corp. Richardson TX, 75083
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD writing software Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:10:10 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32F8E922.360B@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any software available to write to recordable CDs? --gh
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin Subject: Driver for NCR53c810 for 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 19:09:44 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32FA72C8.350E@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a driver for the NCR53c810 SCSI card for OPENSTEP 4.0. I could not find it at NeXT's web site. Could someone email it to me or let me know where I can download it. gh
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: PPP Help!!! Anyone? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:19:05 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32F8B2F9.54E682D1@screaming.org> References: <AF1D600C-2BE8A@207.13.170.22> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Kim wrote: > Is there any one can tell me how to set up PPP for OpenStep 4.0 > (040 Black) by step by step instruction? I'd like to point out here that it's really bad form to crosspost support questions to all of the comp.sys.next.* groups. Be more selective, please. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Grammar Check Message-ID: <E54MzI.2x6@euler.han.de> Sender: news@euler.han.de Organization: Ink Unknown References: <1997Jan31.043828.28530@is.tsukuba.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:09:17 GMT diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp writes > > I'm a not english native speaking person that has to write a paper in > english. > I'm wondering if there is any english grammar check application available > that I can get from the Net? Spelling: Yes. Grammar: Most probably not. There is/was a company named InfoSoft that licensed its grammar checker to M$ Word. I am afraid it was not too good. Besides I could never get them interested in licnesing it for a NS port. No other product is available to my knowledge. Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: tralala@mlink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impact Software Publishing - Dead or Alive? Date: 7 Feb 1997 11:29:37 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <5df3n1$uvi@supernews.login.net> References: <5d8j3f$g7m$1@news.the-wire.com> In-Reply-To: <5d8j3f$g7m$1@news.the-wire.com> On 02/04/97, Piotr Twarecki wrote: > Hello, > > I've been trying to reach Impact by mail and by phone for the past two weeks > with no luck. Are they still in business? > > --- > Piotr Twarecki <ptwareck@the-wire.com> > (NeXTMail and MIME welcome) ---------------------------- Try: http://www.impact.com/ SuperDraw4, HelpViewer, SuperDebugger, PhaseScope, enTar. (English, French and German) E-Mail in Canada: tralala@mliink.net Cheers, -Andre
From: Patrick Schulz <schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 12:43:47 +0100 Organization: Institute of Computer Engineering, CS department, University of Technology Dresden, Germany Message-ID: <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi OpenSteppers, > Openstep on Solaris is VERY slow. You're right. Sun could slightly increase performance in the current beta version, but it's IMHO not enough (compared to my NeXTstation). The bugs you mentioned are solved or in progress, just be a little bit more patient ;-) > There aren't many apps for Openstep solaris. I am sad that OW 2.0 isn't > available as I'm not too happy with some things of netscape. Agree, and IMHO the reason for that is OpenStep itself. Here's what I mean (taken from a letter to the MiscKit people): #OpenStep is promoted as a platform independend standard for a variety of #operating systems. The question is what platform independency means. #For me it's the ability to port a project in a very short time on a different #OS (much less than porting a X11-App). From my understanding an OpenStep #compliant program should be compilable on each OpenStep implementation without #major changes (I'm not talking about OS [processor] dependend code) . # #Since NeXT offers OPENSTEP I see a lot of problems for writing OpenStep #compliant Apps and Libraries. In detail they are: # #- proprietary format for InterfaceBuilder's .nib files (i.e. Sun's IB cannot handle # NeXT .nibs, you have to rebuild the complete interface) #- ClassClusters are not defined in the OpenStep standard, and do not work for # non-NeXT implementations #- all extensions to the OpenStep standard make programs not OpenStep compliant # (almost none of NeXT's AppKit examples can be ported to Solaris OpenStep, because # they're heavily using extensions like the new text system) #- there are still classes in use that remain from the old NeXTSTEP API (even the MiscKit # uses objects like Storage, NXZone, ...) #- the Framework concept and the new projectbuilder options (makefiles) require a # complete reorganization of the project on a different platform # #My results after 2 days hacking: # #- it's almost unprofitable to use the MiscKit2.x for a OpenStep implementation other # than NeXT's OPENSTEP #- the MiscKit is NOT OpenStep compliant including every application that's build upon #- the MiscKit would need significant changes to be portable (i.e. to Sun's OpenStep) #- there is no obvious benefit of the OpenStep standard # #To make OpenStep a really open standard I'd like to see: # #- keep all implementations in sync about extensions to the standard, provide upgrade # packages (free!) to close the gap (since there's a GNU implementation in the works # it's not done with a Sun<->NeXT license agreement) [NeXT's task] #- make the .nib format public and a standard [NeXT's task] #- remove all code using the NeXTSTEP API from your project [all programmers task] #- use STRICT_OPENSTEP as long as extensions are not public [all programmers task] #- separate compliant and non compliant code [all programmers task] # #I'm an OpenStep enthusiast, but I think the situation described above has #to change to be able to compete with other solutions like the Java SDK. > Everyone who sees it says that's neat. Definetely, I've never used a better UI on a Sun (I like to use a mouse :-) > It's OpenStep (looks like NeXTStep, feels like NeXTStep, but slower, > I have a NeXTStep machine...) hope for better times, the NeXT-Apple merger will make OpenStep more public and accepted, a good chance to clean up the portability problems mentioned above. Patrick. -- Patrick Schulz; Alaunstrasse 21a D-01099 Dresden; Germany email: schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (MIME & NeXTmail welcome) http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ps3/ - vmunix: panic - no coffee detected, user halted.
From: rji@puma.inmos.co.uk (Richard Ingram) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 07 Feb 1997 14:50:32 +0000 Organization: Scarlet Score For Mescalero Sender: rji@puma.inmos.co.uk Distribution: inet Message-ID: <dzafpgvfev.fsf@puma.inmos.co.uk> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <5ct5cg$795@upsn6.u-psud.fr> In-reply-to: benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr's message of 31 Jan 1997 16:07:44 GMT In article <5ct5cg$795@upsn6.u-psud.fr> benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr (Jean BENOIT) writes: From: benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr (Jean BENOIT) John Stevens (jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com) wrote: : In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, : Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: : : The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the : color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called : the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). Wasn't that the Sinclair QL ? Jean Yes it was indeed the QL. Richard.
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Driver for NCR53c810 for 4.0 Date: 7 Feb 1997 15:11:22 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5dfgmq$6af@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <32FA72C8.350E@smart.net> In article <32FA72C8.350E@smart.net> gh@smart.net writes: > I need a driver for the NCR53c810 SCSI card for > OPENSTEP 4.0. Use the SymbiosLogic Driver: SYM53c It CAN be found at NeXTanswers. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:01:10 -0600 From: jjfeiler@relief.com Subject: Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <855334288.23378@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News USENET Posting Service I grabbed some images off the net, and the version of djpeg that I have gives me the error "Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2" when I try to view the image. Does anyone know of a more up-to-date tool that qupports this format? Thanks, John John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: edick@idcomm.com (Dick Erlacher) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 17:28:07 GMT Organization: Erlacher Associates Message-ID: <32fb4e5f.127732770@superego.idcomm.com> References: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: >Nervous writes: >: In article <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com>, >: edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) wrote: > >: €In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: >: € >: €> Lasse Olsen wrote: >: €> > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >: €> > Where can I buy one? >: €> > Cheers... > >: €> The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. >: € >: € >: €Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? > >: You can get a 300Mhz 603e as well. Even multiprocessor 604e-based computers. > > So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? > Cheers... ====================================================== so . . . why is it that most participants in an inane thread as this one can't even spell?
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc [MiscKit] Date: 7 Feb 1997 19:13:40 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5dfut4$k5a@news.xmission.com> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> As MiscKit administrator, I feel like I ought to add a few comments and explanations to Patrick Schulz's post, since it brings up some good points and raises a few issues I haven't had time to answer before. (But the public posting almost requires a response, IMHO.) On the MiscKit/OPENSTEP issues brought up here, there are a few things to note: (a) MiscKit2 as it stands is a pre-alpha and is, in my own words from the press release, "almost useless". (b) It is built on NEXT's OPENSTEP because I don't have a Solaris box to work with. (c) MiscKit is a free project and happens in people's spare time. To give more details: (a) pre-alpha; useless There's a lot of work to be done, and the OPENSTEP conversion is very incomplete. I want it to eventually be a 100% OPENSTEP compliant system and this means that there's a lot of work to do. I cannot do it all myself, and to date, not too many people have stepped in to help. Those who have: Thanks! Those who haven't: either step in and help--otherwise you have no right to complain! We _will_ get there. I'd like to do it ASAP, but as the rest of this explains, reality will cause delays in a project like this... (b) no Solaris boxes I'd be happy to make it compliant to the Solaris spec, but without a box to work with, _I_ can't do the work. If Sun cares enough about this to place a Sparc box on my desk, I'll be happy to make the MiscKit more Sparc-friendly. To date, they've expressed some interest, but not that much. What I envision is that we'll--as we always have--build off of everything NeXT gives us. Since some of that isn't in the OPENSTEP spec, what isn't in NeXT's version will have to be written for the Sparc version--ie, a non-OPENSTEP extension provided by NeXT would be recreated for the Sparc OPENSTEP. Obviously, some extensions are a bit beyond our scope to recreate, but a lot of the extensions we already almost have by virtue of the functionality of the MiscKit1 code we are porting. But without a Sun box--or someone with a Sun box stepping in to help--that situation probably won't get any better. Note that the "extra" stuff we need to run on Sun's environment is something we would probably want to either donate to GnuStep, or, if GnuStep already has it, borrow from them. :-) (c) freebie done in spare time Seems like we're all short on spare time these days given the NeXT/Apple merger and all the hoopla surrounding it; things have been somewhat slow in the submission receipt department, and I haven't had a lot of time to do the work myself. Progress is happening, but very slowly. [To keep it in perspective, here's the projects I have to keep my "spare time" busy: MiscKit1, MiscKit2, 3DKit, Indexing Kit, GameKit, several games, webmaster for several sites (www.planetary.net, www.yacktman.com, etc.) and tht's not counting family time and my regular job! So if you wait for _me_ to do all the work, it will eventually happen but not very quickly. Volunteers truly are needed!] At any rate, the problems addressed in the post that was copied from the MiscKit list are all things I plan to address over time. Right now, though, the post points out some very real flaws in the current MiscKit. My answer is: rather than complain, become part of the solution! That's the whole philosophy behind the kit itself and taking action like that will help everyone involved. :-) So, given that I acknowledge that MiscKit2 is currently almost useless for OPENSTEP development, I'd like to remind everyone that I don't plan for it to stay that way. The point point of making the kit is for it to be used, and I will do all that I can (now and in the future) to make sure that it can be used! -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: 7 Feb 1997 20:20:12 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5dg2ps$e1h@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> Patrick Schulz <schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> wrote: >> Openstep on Solaris is VERY slow. >You're right. Sun could slightly increase performance in the current >beta version, >but it's IMHO not enough (compared to my NeXTstation). A SPARC running NEXTSTEP 3.3 is about four times as fast as a Turbo station by the usual benchmarks and feels much faster. Are you telling me that Openstep over Solaris is as slow as a station? I hope not. My machine has a CG3 in it, which NEXTSTEP doesn't support (I fixed the driver myself). I borrowed a CG6 one day and swapped it to see if there was any speed difference. It felt the same, but the graphics benchmarks said it was a little slower. My machine also runs better now that I've upgraded to 80MB of memory. OmniWeb is really the only thing that gets it swapping a lot. ab
From: yblock@next.mc.maricopa.edu (York Block) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Question about memory configuration Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 14:18:56 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <yblock-0702971418570001@60.phoenix-001.az.dial-access.att.net> I have a Next Turbo Color computer with 16MB (2 8MB SIMMs) of memory. I want to upgrade it to 64MB. - Should I get 2 32MB SIMMs and take off the 2 8MB SIMMs? or - Do I need to get 4 16MB SIMMS? Carlos.
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sendmail: removing actual host from FROM:? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 7 Feb 1997 23:22:19 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5dgdfb$qji@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN When I send mail from my machine, it says "stanj@hostname.domain". This then prompts people with some backwards mailers to reply directly to that host, which so happens to be down most of the time. Short of adding a "Reply-To: field, which gets disregarded anyway, how can I remove teh actual hostname from the From: field? I know that one can tweak the sendmail.cf and make the mail appear to come from a given host; the problem is that when several people are using the machine, I still would like to keep the username flexible. Mail should somehow appear to come from user@mailserver.domain or so. Sounds reasonable? Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgl@netcom.com (Tom Lane) Subject: Re: Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2 Message-ID: <TGL.97Feb7164305@netcom17.netcom.com> Sender: tgl@netcom17.netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services References: <855334288.23378@dejanews.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 00:43:05 GMT Those are progressive JPEGs. Get a newer release of djpeg. regards, tom lane organizer, Independent JPEG Group
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From: shihong@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (LAO Shihong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: intel machine clock shift unexpected Date: 10 Feb 1997 01:51:25 GMT Organization: OMRON Corporation, Kyoto, JAPAN Message-ID: <5dluut$4bm@omrongw2.wg.omron.co.jp> My intel machine's clock changes worked fine until last Autumn. It's clock changes very often now. Sometimes it suddenly add about 20 minutes, sometimes it jumps to year 2001. I made a complate reinstall, but it still have this problem. Today it jumped to year 2003, the only app I was using was OmniWeb, but I don't this it can cause this problem. Anybody have any idea? My machine is pentium 166, 48mb, 2.0gb, award BIOS, 2940SCSI, #9 GXE pro 4mb. 3.3J NEXTSTEP ---- LAO Shihong (Firstname is surname) $(0@9'a$(1,c(B(use mule to show Chinese)
From: Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 10 Feb 1997 02:20:50 GMT Organization: University of Georgia Message-ID: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Josh
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 10 Feb 97 08:22:17 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb10082217@slave.one.net> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: dave@prim.demon.co.uk's message of Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:53:07 GMT In article <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: In article <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: >I've posted a copy of tcl7.6 modified to compile under NeXTSTEP3.3 >to my home page. Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? I've had it running under Xnext, but no NeXTSTEP, yet. Last time I looked (tk4.1, I think), it looked like it was just too X11-based. Essentially, you'd have to write an emulator translating X11 calls into NeXTSTEP calls, and I really didn't want to get involved with that. Besides, I'd much rather have native "widgets". I don't want to see 12-pixel borders on my buttons, even if the script author wanted them! That might be a more useful port, but it would probably also take somewhat longer than an X11 emulation. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
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From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 10 Feb 1997 20:57:17 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5do23e$jov@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> wrote: >I searched the NeXT >site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines >were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old >to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in >which case I'd use NS3.3...). They may have just not tried it, or it may be really slow. I'm using a 5/85, and it benches about four times as fast as a turbo slab, so I'm sure it'd be tolerable at half the speed (but I often use black hardware, so I'm used to it). The box for 3.3 says: SPARCstation 5: 70, 85, & 110 MHz SPARCstation 10: 50, 60, & 90 MHz SPARCstation 20: 50, 50 with cache, & 60 MHz What graphics adaptor do you have in there? Besides the ones they have listed, a CG3 will work with my patch (which NeXT showed no interest in :-( ). It's a bear to bootstrap since you can't see what you're doing, but it's easier than writing the thing blind was, I assure you. :-) If you've got yet another graphics card, you might want to think twice. As far as I know, there aren't any other graphics drivers (besides those listed at next.com and CG3) available for Sun hardware and there aren't any source examples. The CG6 and CG3 are similar enough that I could make relatively minor patches- once I figured out how they worked- but it's not for the squeamish. You probably won't get any sound out of it either. The 8-bit sound on my machine doesn't work. (NeXT only supports 16-bit.) I'm idly working on a patch for that too, but it isn't that important to me. If I could just get a sndplay command that hit the hardware directly and made the appropriate noise, I'd be happy. ab
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 10 Feb 1997 11:51:07 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <qd914wigno.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> <SHESS.97Feb10082217@slave.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? > > I've had it running under Xnext, but no NeXTSTEP, yet. Last time I > looked (tk4.1, I think), it looked like it was just too X11-based. > Essentially, you'd have to write an emulator translating X11 calls > into NeXTSTEP calls, and I really didn't want to get involved with > that. > > Besides, I'd much rather have native "widgets". I don't want to see > 12-pixel borders on my buttons, even if the script author wanted them! > That might be a more useful port, but it would probably also take > somewhat longer than an X11 emulation. The Tk8.0 release seems to be focusing a bit more on providing the ability to use native buttons, menus, scrollbars, and font designations. I've been toying with the idea of trying to do a NeXTSTEP/OpenStep port, but it's still kind of low on my to-do list :-) -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: CrossPlatform Development with OpenStep ? Date: 10 Feb 1997 22:06:18 GMT Message-ID: <1102639102.24105432@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA Hi, Can a program write using OpenStep Developper be used on a Windows NT system without OpenStep. In other terms, can I develop a program with OpenStep and supply it with a set of DLL that will contain the OpenStep Runtime environment ? It every platform must be OpenStep platform, is there plans to bring a runtime solution to OpenStep. How much resources does it costs on the customer platform (memory, disks). I simply wondering if I can choose OpenStep instead of MFC to start developping a new application. MFC doesn't excite me se same way than OpenStep does., but the final goal is to have a product usable by the greatest number of people. I've read the presentation from Gil Amelio and one of the benefit of OpenStep is its cross-platform capabilities. But if they are restricted to the fact of having OpenStep installed on every platform, it's a clear limitation to the market an OpenStep application can reached. Thank for you answer. Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: leo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Matthias L. Jugel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: 11 Feb 1997 09:42:34 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5dpeua$9e6$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <YmxX86m00YWnA3f3hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> <5d7g6a$dsp$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit : > >described above. And before diving into the scripts, I thought that : > >perhaps someone else had already configured NeXTPPP to work with : > >dial-back. Can anyone offer any help? Hi, I have done callback on different systems. The easiest way is to keep chat from exiting on HANGUP. You can do this by disabling the line on the mode/serial connection. Usually this is AT&C0 and don't put an ABORT "NO CARRIER" in you chat script. 1 ABORT ERROR 2 ABORT DELAYED 3 ABORT "NO DIALTONE" 4 TIMEOUT 60 5 "" ATZ 6 OK AT&C0 7 OK ATDT<your provider number> 8 "assWord:" <callbackpassword> 9 TIMEOUT 120 10 RING ATA 11 ogin: <youloginnname> 12 word: <youpassword> 13 prompt pppd This script dials the number, enters the callback password and set then teh time to wait for the incoming call to 120. When the call comes in the modem should bring up a RING message, which triggers the ATA command to initiate the connection. Everything else should be clear, as it is a standard login sequence. Leo. P.S. Could someone tell me the address of the mailinglist? -- Matthias L. Jugel -- GMD FIRST Berlin Adlershof Tel: +49 030 6392 1824 Email: leo@first.gmd.de Es gibt zwei Arten von Narren. Der eine sagt: "Dies ist alt und deshalb gut." Und der andere sagt: "Dies ist neu und deshalb besser."
From: Patrick Schulz <schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc [MiscKit] Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:10:28 +0100 Organization: Institute of Computer Engineering, CS department, University of Technology Dresden, Germany Message-ID: <33004594.288B@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> <5dfut4$k5a@news.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, When I posted the last message, I wanted to bring up some serious portability issues about OpenStep, I didn`t like to criticize the MiscKit group. No, I think, the MiscKit and all the other free software projects are great, I wished, I`d have the time to be a volunteer. The problem I see for all OpenStep software projects is the portability problem across the different implementations. So I told you about my experiences with OpenStep Solaris, hoping that programmers and Software companies recognize the problem and start making their products more portable. IMHO it`s much easier to do that at the beginning of a project (what about a portability policy). My sorrow is, that OPENSTEP (NeXT`s thing) will become much more popular in the next time, and because of the problems I mentioned before other implementaions like Sun`s OpenStep or GNUstep will be dumped or discontinued. I`d like to see various OpenStep implementations running the same Apps no matter what platform they run on. NeXT`s OPENSTEP - aka the new MacOS won`t compete against Windows when they start doing their own thing again. My bottom line is: Stay open, don`t create/support proprietary software. OpenStep is the advantage :-) Patrick. -- Patrick Schulz; Alaunstrasse 21a D-01099 Dresden; Germany email: schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (MIME & NeXTmail welcome) http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ps3/ - vmunix: panic - no coffee detected, user halted.
From: Steve Reid <sdreid@music.gla.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:55:29 +0000 Organization: University of Glasgow Message-ID: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? Steve
From: jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Jason L. Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.lang.python Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 11 Feb 97 06:52:15 Organization: C.R.A.S.H. The Computers, Robotics, and Artists Society of Houston Message-ID: <JASON.97Feb11065215@fisher.psych.uh.edu> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> <SHESS.97Feb10082217@slave.one.net> <qd914wigno.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> In-reply-to: Stephen Peters's message of 10 Feb 1997 11:51:07 -0800 Greetings! shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? > > I've had it running under Xnext, but no NeXTSTEP, yet. Last time I > looked (tk4.1, I think), it looked like it was just too X11-based. > Essentially, you'd have to write an emulator translating X11 calls > into NeXTSTEP calls, and I really didn't want to get involved with > that. > > Besides, I'd much rather have native "widgets". I don't want to see > 12-pixel borders on my buttons, even if the script author wanted them! > That might be a more useful port, but it would probably also take > somewhat longer than an X11 emulation. The Tk8.0 release seems to be focusing a bit more on providing the ability to use native buttons, menus, scrollbars, and font designations. I've been toying with the idea of trying to do a NeXTSTEP/OpenStep port, but it's still kind of low on my to-do list :-) That sounds very cool -- would allow for Python-based GUI development on the NeXT! Keeping in mind I haven't delved into Tk much beyond Python's tkinter, how difficult would it be to emulate Tk's worldview in native NeXTSTEP? I don't mean at the X11 call level necessarily, but just below the Tk interface, with definiting buttons, packing them, etc... Hmm... Michael B. Johnson did some excellent work with Tcl/NeXTSTEP integration at the Media Lab, I guess I should look at that again. :-) (For the curious, it also involved RenderMan-Tcl bindings, URL: http://wave.www.media.mit.edu/people/wave/ ) More later, Jason Asbahr 808 Sul Ross Suite 7 Reactive Systems Houston, Texas 77006 jason@reactive.com (713) 942-7937 voice
From: tesuji@xs4all.nl (Mark Boon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:54:30 +0200 Organization: Tesuji Software Message-ID: <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> In article <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net>, MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > > Pricing and Availability > > Metrowerks plans to ship CodeWarrior Latitude in the summer of 1997. > CodeWarrior Latitude will include all available targets in one library > package and will sell for $399. > Does that mean with one purchase I'd get CodeWarrior for say Mac, Windows and Playstation in one package? I'm considering buying a 'Yaroze' when it becomes available in Europe this month and port our Mac-game to Playstation. -- Mark Boon --------- Tesuji Software B.V.
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CrossPlatform Development with OpenStep ? Date: 11 Feb 1997 13:15:30 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <5dprdi$918@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <1102639102.24105432@cornut.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <1102639102.24105432@cornut.fr>, rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) writes: > In other terms, can I develop a program with OpenStep and supply it with a > set of DLL that will contain the OpenStep Runtime environment ? > > It every platform must be OpenStep platform, is there plans to bring a > runtime solution to OpenStep. From what i heard: An OpenStep/NT runtime exists. You will have to use the OpenStep/NT Development Kit to build OpenStep Applications. The latest information about the price were not so positiv. You may only buy the "runtime"-licences as a developer giving them away with your software. I also heard rumors about the possibilites of contracts makeing the developer not paying per "runtime"-license, but about 20% of products price. Yes, i also like to have some information about the requirements about the OpenStep/NT runtime, and practical exeriences. Bernhard Reiter
From: (Izidor Jerebic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 11 Feb 1997 08:17:58 GMT Organization: Select Technology Message-ID: <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> In article <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> writes: > I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model > 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT > site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines > were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old > to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in > which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about > OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any > help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > --Josh > I didn't check, but I think our customers have Sun 4 workstations of all kinds (70MHz, 85MHz) and they all run NEXTSTEP just fine. izidor
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "Blind" cc with Mail.app? Date: 11 Feb 1997 14:15:43 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Message-ID: <5dpuuf$ks0@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Is there any way to 'blind cc' (Bcc:) someone with NeXT's Mail.app? Please respond by e-mail. Thanks. John
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From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:58:48 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Feb-97 reading NeXTmail on mac by Steve Reid@music.gla.ac. > Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? Put simply, no. If you could find the right tools, like uudencode, tar, uncompress, and a Mac RTF viewer, you might be able to manually break apart and read a NeXTmail message, but it's tedious even on a Unix machine when you know that you do have the right tools available. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "Blind" cc with Mail.app? Date: 11 Feb 1997 16:46:53 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5dq7pt$3nu$2@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5dpuuf$ks0@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu wrote: >Is there any way to 'blind cc' (Bcc:) someone with NeXT's Mail.app? > >Please respond by e-mail. > >Thanks. > >John > When you have a compose window open, cmd-7 will bring up the Send Options box. Or you can find it under Compose/Send Options... in the Mail.app menu. --Ryan
From: dbradf4d@aol.com (DBradf4d) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: g77 - gnu FORTRAN compiler ported?? Date: 11 Feb 1997 16:58:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970211165801.LAA01805@ladder01.news.aol.com> Is there a NeXT port of the g77 compiler - has anyone tried it on Black or Intel?? David Bradford
From: geordie@chapman.com (Geordie Korper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:16:38 -0600 Organization: Chapman and Cutler Message-ID: <geordie-ya02408000R1102971116380001@kyrie> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk>, sdreid@music.gla.ac.uk wrote: :Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? : : :Steve Just drag it to stuffit expander with the optional expander enhancer extension (15 days use and then a $30 shareware fee). That will UUdecode it uncompress it and then untar it. There will then be a folder on your drive that contains the message and its attachments. The text will be in RTF format so you might want to use something that will be able to decode that. I often just use BBEdit since I usual have very little formatting in the mesages I receive. The only problem I have seen is that the tiffs NeXT uses can confuse some applications on the mac. -- Geordie Korper geordie@chapman.com ********************************************************************* * The text above should in no way be construed to represent the * * opinions of my employer, even if specifically stated to do so. * *********************************************************************
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 11 Feb 1997 17:34:51 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5dqajr$kkq$3@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> Cc: <NO SENDER> In <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> Izidor Jerebic wrote: > In article <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> > writes: > > I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model > > 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT > > site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines > > were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old > > to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in > > which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about > > OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any > > help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > > --Josh > > > > I didn't check, but I think our customers have Sun 4 workstations of all > kinds (70MHz, 85MHz) and they all run NEXTSTEP just fine. > I have run Nextstep 3.3 and Openstep 4.1 on the Sparc4 100MHz system I have at work. They do just fine, EXCEPT it has no sound board built in, so some apps don't run (if they expect sound and don't check before trying to use it.. like Omni's version of Doom.app -- Actually, that's the ONLY sparc app I haven't been able to get to run on this box). -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Message-ID: <1997Feb11.142706.47358@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch Date: 11 Feb 97 14:27:06 MET References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) wrote: > In article <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > > > >I've posted a copy of tcl7.6 modified to compile under NeXTSTEP3.3 to > >my home page. > > Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? > > Dave > If I properly recall, yes. Some company (of which I of course don't have the name anymore) once did something like TK (ObjectTK?) and sold it commercially. Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT,MIME mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:33:17 -0500 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> In article <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl>, tesuji@xs4all.nl (Mark Boon) wrote: >In article <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net>, >MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > >> >> Pricing and Availability >> >> Metrowerks plans to ship CodeWarrior Latitude in the summer of 1997. >> CodeWarrior Latitude will include all available targets in one library >> package and will sell for $399. >> > >Does that mean with one purchase I'd get CodeWarrior for say Mac, Windows >and Playstation in one package? I'm considering buying a 'Yaroze' when it >becomes available in Europe this month and port our Mac-game to >Playstation. I'm afraid not, The available targets referred to in the CodeWarrior Latitude are the Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. Metrowerks CodeWarrior Gold will continue to support MacOS and Windows and Rhapsody. CodeWarrior for Playstation will be a standalone product but the plugins will probably work other IDE's. Ron -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty "Software at Work" MWRon@metrowerks.com http://www.metrowerks.com/about/people/rogues.html#mwron
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: 11 Feb 1997 18:26:46 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5dqv7m$34q@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136> In article <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136>, MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > The available targets referred to in the CodeWarrior > Latitude are the Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' > IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. > Metrowerks CodeWarrior Gold will continue to support MacOS and Windows and > Rhapsody. Here's something I've been wondering.. will CodeWarrior on Rhapsody be able to build for OPENSTEP for Mach (any architecture, such as Intel, NeXT, etc.), or for OPENSTEP/Enterprise (i.e., OpenStep on Windows NT). Or will the only OpenStep platform it can build for be Rhapsody/PPC? (I think this Newsgroups line needs to be trimmed, but I'm not sure which groups the posters on this thread are reading...) -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: jk@esperance.com (Joel Klecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:59:28 -0800 Organization: Esperance Communications Message-ID: <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> Fingerprint="12 92 9C E4 60 DF 62 CD FC AD 18 47 9A 74 E7 D1" In article <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Feb-97 reading NeXTmail on >mac by Steve Reid@music.gla.ac. >> Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? > >Put simply, no. > >If you could find the right tools, like uudencode, tar, uncompress, and >a Mac RTF viewer, you might be able to manually break apart and read a >NeXTmail message, but it's tedious even on a Unix machine when you know >that you do have the right tools available. I thought NeXTMail used text/enriched. -- Joel Klecker (jk@esperance.com) <URL:http://www.esperance.com/> PGP Key available from my webpage, see "X-PGP-Key" header for fingerprint. Boycott Microsoft! Why? See <URL:http://www.vcnet.com/bms/>.
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 Feb 1997 06:30:51 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Hi, I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. Someone got it working? Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: Sven Droll Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: g77 - gnu FORTRAN compiler ported?? Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:38:53 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <5drvit$m2q@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <19970211165801.LAA01805@ladder01.news.aol.com> A compiled version of g77 in bundle with gcc 2.7.2.1 (for blqack and white) can be found on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (peanuts-archive, maybe http://peanuts.leo.org/peanuts/ is better) under /pub/next/developer/c/... Ciao -- Sven Droll __ ______________________________________________________/ / ______ __ sdroll@cip.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de / /_/ ___/ /_ _/ _/ =====\_/======= LOGOUT FASCISM! ___________________________________________________________________ NeXT-mail, MIME-mail welcome ;-))
From: "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NExT OS on Mac? Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:48:02 +0000 Organization: BEAT productions Message-ID: <33004E62.673C@fix.net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will the NExT OS run on a Mac or is it totally different? -- Robb J. Albrecht production manager and bright ideas BEAT productions SF SLO mailto:robbj@fix.net
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:00:52 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <In0P3o600iWp023Gw0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> In-Reply-To: <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Feb-97 Re: reading NeXTmail on mac by Joel Klecker@esperance.c >> If you could find the right tools, like uudencode, tar, uncompress, and >> a Mac RTF viewer, you might be able to manually break apart and read a >> NeXTmail message, but it's tedious even on a Unix machine when you know >> that you do have the right tools available. > > I thought NeXTMail used text/enriched. Not really. It's a RTF(D) file that's been tar'ed, compress'ed, and uuencode'd-- and NeXT's RTFD format is not exactly the same as plain RTF. Someone else mentioned that maybe StuffIt (or unStuffit?) can handle the encoding scheme used to transport the RTF(D) message, but you'll also need something which understands RTF, and I don't know Mac WP applications well enough to know how common RTF support is.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NExT OS on Mac? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:11:50 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg32154.thr-39fa170b.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <33004E62.673C@fix.net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg32154.thr-39fa170b.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>robbj@fix.net.com,UseNet writes:</bold> >Will the NExT OS run on a Mac or is it totally different? One relatively "newbie" to another.... At present, it is "totally different" and runs (essentially) only on Intel hardware, the original NeXT (Black) hardware, some Sun hardware and some HP hardware (though HP support at this time appears to be in a different, perhaps one might say "lesser" state of affairs). However, a number of years ago NeXT had made significant progress at porting their operating system to the powerpc architecture, running in the lab on a dual 601 system that they never actually released. You can be assured that Apple is going through that code character by character in the process of porting Openstep to Apple hardware. -- ------------------------- David Herren ------------------------ The Language Schools herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Middlebury College http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ Middlebury, VT 05753 USA v: 802.443.5746 f: 802.443.2075 Boycott Micro$oft! Learn how & why at http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Windows Native Controls through OpenStep ? Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:26:20 GMT Message-ID: <3326541822.31250709@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA Hi, I have some questions about OpenStep for Windows NT, here is some of them : 1. I'm wondering wheither the GUI objects in OpenStep NT windows are native or not ? 2. Does OpenStep NT use Display Poscript to draw buttons, text fields or does it use the native Windows objects ? 3. Can a window be drawn without a call to display postscript (a window that contains only controls)? 4. How much memory resources does display postscript need ? I'm asking these questions because we are looking at OpenStep to develop client/serveur application which doesn't make intensive use of graphics. Some we have no direct need to use DPS. Thanks in advance, Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: willem@mht3.gintic.gov.sg (RHS Linux User) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: any PingPong users out there that can help me Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:18:25 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5dsjfh$2sn@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> I need some experiences from people using PingPong, the PNG-viewer for NeXTstep. Under NS3.2 on my black hardware everything runs fine, but it appears that under NS3.3 (black) or OS4.1 (white) there are problems with images larger then 800x1000 pixels. If people are facing this problem, or when they are running the OS versions above without any of these problems, could you leave me an e-mail? Thanks, Willem <gwillem@gintic.gov.sg>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: "Eric K. Ringger" <ringger@cs.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) In-Reply-To: Your message of "11 Feb 1997 14:27:06 +0700." <1997Feb11.142706.47358@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> Message-ID: <199702121643.LAA03436@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Cc: comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.next.software, comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:43:30 -0500 frank@ifi.unibas.ch wrote: >dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) wrote: [...] >> Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? [...] >If I properly recall, yes. Some company (of which I of course don't >have the name anymore) once did something like TK (ObjectTK?) and >sold it commercially. [...] I believe that you're thinking of Objective-TCL, from Pedja Bogdanovic at TipTop Software ( http://www.tiptop.com/ ). The package does not include Tk. [Follow-ups to comp.sys.next.software only.] --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger mailto:ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Office: +1-716-275-0922; Lab: +1-716-275-1083 University of Rochester Fax: +1-716-461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ringger/ ||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |||||
From: "Ben" <benjamin@p3.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ppp NeXT 3.0 Date: 12 Feb 1997 16:59:37 GMT Organization: Surf Network Message-ID: <01bc190e$b21b4760$5f0c43ce@ben.p3.net> Does anyone know of any ppp software for NeXTSTEP 3.0. I just purchased a NeXT black workstation, and I need to get it online. Any help would be greatlt appreciated. Thanks, Benjamin Folk Jr. Surf Network, Inc. benjamin@p3.net
From: dfs@cs.umd.edu (Daniel F. Savarese) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WindowServer failing (3.2 black) Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:11:52 -0500 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <5dstko$fem@googoo.cs.umd.edu> I just bought a used 25Mhz NextStation yesterday "as is" and have spent most of my time until now trying to get things to work right and get the login window up. I think I'm almost there, but I'm stumped on a little snag: the login window never comes up. The system message log says "loginwindow cannot find WindowServer port!" or "WindowServer: Exception caught: PS-108.1 on host ... Memory access exception on address 0x20: protection failure (SIGBUS)". Now, I'm very familiar with "normal" Unix systems, but the Next flavor is a bit odd and I don't know how to solve this problem. I see that the console listing in /etc/ttys is responsible for causing WindowServer and loginwindow to start, but that doesn't help me much. My problem is basically that this machine was set up to boot off the network, and I've had to change all the startup files and such to boot locally. I'm pretty sure netinfo is not configured right. Could that be a source of problems? I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions anyone might have to help me getting past this hurdle. I've checked all the FAQs and news archives and haven't found anything to clue me in. thanks, daniel
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:13:44 GMT Organization: ace dot net internet technologies Message-ID: <5dt4p8$m08$3@darla.visi.com> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Stan Jirman (stanj@cs.stanford.edu) wrote: : I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and : would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I : get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of : the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, : only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game : over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. Adobe has a set of printer drivers for 95 for the NeXT Laser Printer. These work well, but I couldn't (read: lacked the patience to) get them working on NT4. I vaguely remember seeing something about MS's code generating very shitty PostScript which the DPS rasterizer didn't understand. -- # david young: oo developer, think new ideas east/onramp # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com (MIME ok, NeXTmail better)
From: Eric_Noyau@next.com (Eric Noyau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:21:08 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> In article <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) writes: > Hi, > > I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, > and would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so > far that I get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents > (I chose one of the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am > printing any >1 page docs, only the last page (i.e., only the 1st > printed page) comes out -- then, game over, NeXT stops due to a no > further specified PS error. > You have to check the 'page independence' switch somewhere in one of the NT configuration panel. Right click on your printer, and click on 'document defaults'/Advanced/'Postscript options'/'Page independence'. That should do the trick. -- Eric
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WindowServer failing (3.2 black) Date: 12 Feb 1997 15:35:17 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5dtk3l$16e@mpaque.mpaque> References: <5dstko$fem@googoo.cs.umd.edu> In article <5dstko$fem@googoo.cs.umd.edu> dfs@cs.umd.edu (Daniel F. Savarese) writes: > I just bought a used 25Mhz NextStation yesterday "as is" and have spent > most of my time until now trying to get things to work right and get > the login window up. > > My problem > is basically that this machine was set up to boot off the network, and I've > had to change all the startup files and such to boot locally. I'm pretty > sure netinfo is not configured right. Could that be a source of > problems? A sufficiently goofed up NetInfo and startup files configuration can cause all sorts of havoc. You can restore things fairly easily to the default state, though: Warning: Making a new NetInfo database is a drastic measure. Only do this as a last resort. If you've invested a lot of time creating the NetInfo database, ask an expert for help before replacing it. A better choice is to restore the hostconfig, local.nidb, and network.nidb files from backups made when the network was working properly. 1) Copy /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig to /etc. This restores the hostconfig file to its default configuration. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc 2) Remove the directory in /etc/netinfo to delete all NetInfo domains on that computer. 3) Copy the files in /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo to /etc/netinfo to restore the netinfo domain to its original state. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc/netinfo -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: gmontem@pluto (GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hardware for NeXT Cube? Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:09:42 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <5drts6$otv@news.csus.edu> -- Hello, I am thinking of getting a used NeXT cube for development purposes for school and other things and wondered what kind of hardware can it use? For example, what kind of hard disks can these boxes of black accept? Can they use PC hard disks? If so, IDE? SCSI? Also, are there FTP sites that contain some NeXT applications, or programs coded specifically for the NeXT cube? This is kind of a silly question since I am sure theoretically any Unix program with source can be compiled to work on a NeXT. thanks, -george
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I am looking for NeXT Magazines Date: 13 Feb 1997 05:08:40 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-1202972011230001@i435.oro.net> If you have NeXT magazines that you wish to sell, I am searching for any NeXT based magazines like NeXTWorld, NeXTJournal, NeXT On Campus, etc... Let me know what you have and I will buy them from you. Thank You, Thomas
From: dbin@sce.de (David Binette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for NeXT man pages on the WEB Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:38:35 GMT Organization: Satellite Communication Europe Distribution: world Message-ID: <33046d64.45442451@news.hamburg.pop.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 7 neXT boxes, no CDROM drive, no disk space, not a clue. I need MAN pages. anybody have URL to spare? -- http://www.sce.de/~dbin */ unmatched closing comment
From: Yi Liu <liuyi@crystalball.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 13 Feb 1997 22:57:16 GMT Organization: 9h, Inc. Message-ID: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Since I haven't read about them in c.s.n.misc or the faqs, I think I might have found two easter eggs in hidden in Fiend v1.4.1, first one by accident and the second by sheer determination. 1. This one is mildly interesting: I was trying to configure Fiend for my wife's account yesterday. (She's gotten used to using mine Fiend Dock and starting to like the _cool_ icon.) I dragged Fiend Icon to the Dock, and launched it. Then I thought things might be easier if I locked the Fiend Dock icon in place first. So I did "Shift Left-Click" on the Fiend Dock Icon ... [1] 2. The second one is quite entertaining: After finding the first, I know there must be more --- someone once had plenty of free time on his hands. :) The first apparent place to look is the Info Panel, and voila! I've found it. Control-LeftClick on the dripping image of "Fiend", and enjoy! ... [2] Try it before you look at the spoilers. liuyi P.S. Does anybody know to insert a ^L in Alexandra's Compose window? With emacs bindings, I can't do this with Ctrl-q Ctrl-l. [1] The "Fiend" metamorphoses into a less fiendish looking beaming human. (Dave.tiff?) [2] All the icons on the screen are stringed together in a 3D sinewave kind of dance. Cool thing is: all your animated icons are still animated! -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@crystalball.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 01:44:49 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Cc: liuyi@crystalball.com In <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Yi Liu wrote: > Since I haven't read about them in c.s.n.misc or the faqs, I think I might > have found two easter eggs in hidden in Fiend v1.4.1, first one by accident > and the second by sheer determination. > > 1. This one is mildly interesting: > > I was trying to configure Fiend for my wife's account yesterday. (She's > gotten used to using mine Fiend Dock and starting to like the _cool_ icon.) > > I dragged Fiend Icon to the Dock, and launched it. Then I thought things > might be easier if I locked the Fiend Dock icon in place first. So I did > "Shift Left-Click" on the Fiend Dock Icon ... [1] > > I can't duplicate this one... But then, I'm running this on a Sparc with a 3 button mouse.. could that be part of it? -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <eNriMEgG8GA.57@uptgmsnb01> Date: 14 Feb 1997 06:03:11 GMT Control: cancel <eNriMEgG8GA.57@uptgmsnb01> Message-ID: <cancel.eNriMEgG8GA.57@uptgmsnb01> Sender: scanning@XXX1324noreply.com (Cyber Services) Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: Lars Immisch <immisch@pobox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:22:21 +0100 Organization: Immisch, Becker & Partner Message-ID: <3303077D.7D21@pobox.com> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stan Jirman wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and > would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I > get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of > the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, > only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game > over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. I had sometimes problems trying to print Postscript from Windows, but the problem always seemed to be the Postcript generated by the W*ndows machine. If I saved the Postscript to a file, neither my black Printer, nor YAP, nor ghostscript, nor Adobe Distiller would display it. BTW, I use the NeXT[my printer].ppd from /NextLibrary/PrinterTypes/English.lproj from my NT box, but I fiddled with \winnt\inf\ntprint.ppd Lars -- mailto:immisch@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~immisch Yesterdays yellow yoyo can make you yawn today
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199702131443.JAA14081@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 33d13df0cba50fb75eef4aa2ec2f2352 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 09:43:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Hardware for NeXT Cube? References: 33d13df0cba50fb75eef4aa2ec2f2352 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: gmontem@pluto (GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR) Original Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:09:42 GMT George -- your email address is invalid. Perhaps you did that on purpose... > what kind of hard disks can these boxes of > black accept? Can they use PC hard disks? If so, IDE? SCSI? SCSI > Also, are there FTP sites that contain some NeXT applications, or > programs coded specifically for the NeXT cube? Not for the cube itself, but for NeXTstep (the operating system itself), checkout ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next and ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next > This is kind of a silly question since I am sure theoretically > any Unix program with source can be compiled to work on a NeXT. Theoretically, yes TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199702131440.JAA14060@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 75fd23511e9be6e2f5c6a8f0ba04ab87 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 09:40:04 -0500 Subject: Re: WindowServer failing (3.2 black) Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 75fd23511e9be6e2f5c6a8f0ba04ab87 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: dfs@cs.umd.edu (Daniel F. Savarese) Original Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:11:52 -0500 > I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions anyone might have to help > me getting past this hurdle. I've checked all the FAQs and news > archives and haven't found anything to clue me in. Try searching NeXTanswers (http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/) for NetInfo, and look for the article 1295 "Restoring to Default NetInfo Configuration", which says: csh cd /etc/netinfo foreach db (*.nidb) mv ${db} ${db}-old end cp -rp /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo/local.nidb . cd .. mv hostconfig hostconfig.old mv hosts hosts.old cp -p /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig . cp -p /usr/template/client/etc/hosts . halt That may be what you need to do. Of course you'll need to boot into single-user mode to do it, which I assume you know how to do already, but if not check out the http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/faq.html
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:39:19 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5e1bs7$1d6@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> Cc: liuyi@crystalball.com In <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> Yi Liu wrote: > In <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: > > In <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Yi Liu wrote: > > > [...with an empty Fiend Dock...] > > > I dragged Fiend Icon to the Dock, and launched it. Then I > thought things > > > might be easier if I locked the Fiend Dock icon in place > first. So I did > > > "Shift Left-Click" on the Fiend Dock Icon ... [1] > > > > > > > > > > I can't duplicate this one... You need to hit a certain point in the right side eye of the icon. Volker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: echu@bpo-ess.ceco.com (Eric Chu) Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Message-ID: <E5LsCv.9n3@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:24:31 GMT Izidor Jerebic () wrote: : In article <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> : writes: : > I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model : > 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT : > site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines : > were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old : > to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in : > which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about : > OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any : > help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, : > --Josh Sparc 4's are pretty much the same as 5's bith have the microsparc II CPU. they were just not as expandable and didn't have as much stuff... but i am sure that NS3.3 will run on a sparc4 jsut like a sparc5 HTH eric chu echu@bpo-ess.ceco.com : >
From: Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 08:53:12 -0500 Organization: My own private I-Don't-Know Sender: joe@pooh Message-ID: <x5hgjfjxyv.fsf@vt.edu> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> <5e1bs7$1d6@www.langen.bull.de> Fiend actually has several easter eggs. There are at least two on the icon. Left-clicking (no modifiers needed) in the proper location of the right eye causes the fade to the author's face, along with the sound of some children screaming. Left-clicking on the left eye causes the head to spin around along with the sound of demonical laughter. In the info panel, clicking on the Fiend icon causes the icon wave described earlier in this thread. Clicking on the text causes a sound to play. Joe -- | NeXTMail OK! | Oh, shit... | | ________ | | | | |__) | ======================================================== | | (_|OE| \EISS | - Lt. Cmdr. Data, "Star Trek: Generations" |
From: dcl@panix.com (David C. Lambert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:34:58 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <5e20n2$9js@panix.com> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> <5e1bs7$1d6@www.langen.bull.de> <x5hgjfjxyv.fsf@vt.edu> In <x5hgjfjxyv.fsf@vt.edu> Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu> writes: >Fiend actually has several easter eggs. Hey! You're giving away all my secrets! >There are at least two on the >icon. Left-clicking (no modifiers needed) in the proper location of >the right eye causes the fade to the author's face, along with the >sound of some children screaming. The children are Bart and Lisa Simpson. -- David C. Lambert dcl@panix.com (finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key) (key fingerprint "5F 88 1A 54 3C EA DA FA F5 8E 0B 68 48 4C 02 48")
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Printer problems Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:10:04 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this fix. -Greg
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From: Christian Kuhtz <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: 14 Feb 1997 18:43:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. This can be a problem with the mechanics within the printer, however, I also noticed that differently weighted paper makes a heck of a difference as well. Buy paper specifically for laser printers and not just copier paper. Mine here will work fine with for instance the multipurpose HP paper, but it will barf on any plain xerox paper. -- Christian Kuhtz <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (personal), <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work)
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:14:27 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <3304B993.1382@gl.umbc.edu> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: > >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in > >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with > >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this > >fix. > > This can be a problem with the mechanics within the printer, however, I also > noticed that differently weighted paper makes a heck of a difference as well. > Buy paper specifically for laser printers and not just copier paper. > > Mine here will work fine with for instance the multipurpose HP paper, but it > will barf on any plain xerox paper. > > -- > Christian Kuhtz <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (personal), <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work) Well mine feeds intermitently. sometimes i can hear the motor wind up and then it feeds, but most of the time i hear the engine wind up and not the motor. then it tries to print with no paper feeding. -Greg
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From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: 15 Feb 1997 00:36:42 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-1402971632160001@mencjo.apple.com> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136> > > I'm afraid not, The available targets referred to in the CodeWarrior > Latitude are the Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' > IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. So now MW is supporting Unix platforms? Please do not ignore the Intel platform (UnixWare/Solaris, Linux). Also will MW port PowerPlant to X/Windows? Motif? CDE? > > Metrowerks CodeWarrior Gold will continue to support MacOS and Windows and > Rhapsody. > What about the BeOS? Will MW still support the BeOS? Please, Please, don't abandon the BeOS. -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:49:32 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can use. Thanks, Jason
From: eugenem@ix.netcom.com (Eugene Mah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 01:03:35 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5e323p$sqf@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In article <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu>, gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. >-Greg A common problem that occurs is that the rubber pick-up roller that grabs the paper out of the paper tray gets a little dry. The problem is characterized by a partial feed where the paper is only partly sucked into the printer. I managed to get rid of this problem by getting this stuff called Rubber Renue and using it to clean off the roller. Should work with any rubber rejuvnating compound. Eugene Mah --------------------------------------------------------------------- Eugene Mah, M.Sc. eugenem@rad.hfh.edu Medical Physics Fellow eugenem@ix.netcom.com Physics and Engineering Division "For I am a Bear of Very Little Department of Radiology Brain, and long words Bother Henry Ford Hospital, Detroit, MI me." Winnie the Pooh http://raddi.uah.ualberta.ca/~eugene/ PGP KeyID = 0x1F9779FD or 0xE37A1591 PGP key available on request O- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:07:42 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5e328u$lf@mpaque.mpaque> References: <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. Before you go off taking the printer apart and ordering odd bits of hardware, try these items: 1) Is the paper you are using 16-20 pound stock? The heavier 24 pound paper commonly used in copy machines and inkjet printers is a bit too heavy. 2) Turn the paper over. Seriously. Much of the paper out there has a 'copy' side and a 'back' side, and will curl so as to trip one of the 'jam' detectors in the printer is fed in upside down. -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:49:26 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <33054E66.3526@gl.umbc.edu> References: <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <5e328u$lf@mpaque.mpaque> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown To: mpaque@wco.com Mike Paquette wrote: > > Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: > >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in > >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with > >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this > >fix. > > Before you go off taking the printer apart and ordering odd bits of > hardware, try these items: > > 1) Is the paper you are using 16-20 pound stock? The heavier 24 pound > paper commonly used in copy machines and inkjet printers is a bit too > heavy. > > 2) Turn the paper over. Seriously. Much of the paper out there has a > 'copy' side and a 'back' side, and will curl so as to trip one of the 'jam' > detectors in the printer is fed in upside down. > -- > I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. > mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK > mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK It's not the paper. it's the motor. it comes on once in every 4 or 5 attempts. i think there's a sensor bad somewhere. when the motor ddoesn't wind up i hear the engine wind up and it tries to print into thin air. i know the motor's not working because i see the gears not turning. there must be an IR sensor or some relay somewhere that's not working and playing well with others. -Greg
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bernard Lee, CJK PostScript fonts Date: 14 Feb 1997 23:54:50 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5e3fiq$uu3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> About a year ago, I posted a request to comp.sys.next.misc in search of free kanji PostScript fonts usable on NEXTSTEP. I received a response from Bernard Lee (jslee@mail.utexas.edu) at the University of Texas (at Austin, I think?), stating that he was working on a set of CJK fonts. However, I've never gotten a response by mailing the above e-mail address. I think he may have graduated and left the university. I've tried hunting him down by various means to no avail. If you are Bernard Lee, or know how I might get in touch with him, or know anything about _freely available_ kanji/CJK PostScript fonts (preferably in CID format), please let me know. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: 15 Feb 1997 07:50:50 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Message-ID: <5e3psq$djc@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> In article <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu>, Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. >-Greg If it jams on input, the rubber jacket on the input roller needs to be taken off, reversed, and put back on again. This requires disassembling and re-assembling some parts, so you need suitable skills and information. http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html helps. If it jams on output, you need a new gear wheel. I haven't had to do that to mine yet. Check out the above web site. david -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 0schrier_j@spcvxb.spc.edu Subject: Pros and Cons of Black Hardware Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (USENET News) Organization: St. Peter's College, US Message-ID: <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:33:43 GMT As a newbie myself, could someone tell me what the various pro's and con's are of the different models of NeXT (black) hardware? I'm a studnet that would like to buy one, but I want some more info. Thanks --Josh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Message-ID: <3306480D.368C@running-start.com> From: Ralph Zazula <zazula@running-start.com> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:34:37 -0800 References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Running Start, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - This should probaby be put in the FAQ (it took me a while to figure out and I've posted the solution a couple of times). - Open the printer manager under NT and select your printer (we use the Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS) - go to File->Document Defaults - select the "Advanced" tab - find the PostScript Options - enable "Page Independence" Ralph Stan Jirman wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and > would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I > get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of > the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, > only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game > over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. > > Someone got it working? > Thanks, > - Stan > --- > > Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj > NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu -- Ralph Zazula Running Start, Inc. zazula@running-start.com 520/760-4890 (4891 FAX) http://www.running-start.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:31:16 -0600 From: john@nextdoor.com Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Message-ID: <856045067.25358@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: Eric_Noyau@next.com References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM> In article <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM>, Eric_Noyau@next.com (Eric Noyau) wrote: > > (Munch...) > > You have to check the 'page independence' switch somewhere in one of the > NT configuration panel. Right click on your printer, and click on > 'document defaults'/Advanced/'Postscript options'/'Page independence'. > > That should do the trick. IT WORKS!!! Well, for the most part anyway. I still get an occasional PostScript error when printing a subset of the pages in an MS Word document, and I got a "WindowServer[202]: nxpd_PageProc: can't print page: invalid port" error in the middle of a multi-page document once, but compared to being able to print only one page at a time, I can live with errors like these occasionally. Eric, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! I was wrestling with this problem for weeks, and was just getting ready to go out and buy a new laser printer for the PC. You saved me 700 bucks! John john@nextdoor.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <413853649874@digifix.com> Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:23:10 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <22496856059808@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: april@wwa.com (april levin) Newsgroups: chi.forsale,alt.wanted,chi.wanted,comp.forsale,comp.forsale.computers,comp.hardware,comp.misc.forsale,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.nex,comp.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,alt.forsale,comp.misc Subject: WTB: complete NeXTstation system Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:59:29 -0600 Organization: geekxpos Message-ID: <april-1502971959290001@192.168.1.2> i am looking for any complete NeXTstation system including monitor, hd (minimum 500mb), RAM (minimum24), keyboard, ethernet card, and anything else you got for under $500. chicago area, but i will pay for shipping if the offer is worth it. send me email back cause i dont check newsgroups for responses often. thanks, april april levin * box 1611 skokie, il 60077 * wwa.com/~april
From: pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Black Hardware Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:41:01 GMT Organization: data communication and networking services Message-ID: <slrn5gcs54.a8j.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> References: <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> In article <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 0schrier_j@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote: >As a newbie myself, could someone tell me what the various pro's and con's are >of the different models of NeXT (black) hardware? I'm a studnet that would >like to buy one, but I want some more info. Pick up one of Mooseman's turbo slabs. I would guess that you could have a decked-out color turbo slab for around $2000, and that includes a 2gig SCSI drive (IBM UltraStar) and 128Mb of RAM. On my turbo slab, I have loads of academic software (I am using gcc-2.7.2 and MouseX.) including GAP, mathematica (picked up a license for $15...), the Lighthouse Suite, Adobe Illustrator, teTeX, and everything else an academic in my discipline could want. With the large amount of memory, I can leave 5 or 10 applications open without worrying about swapping or even really missing a beat. (I know when I receive mail because the drive seeks... :) Unfortunately, it's beginning to get to the point when I should probably move to a 2xP6 or something similar just for the horsepower. My P5-100 laptop is noticably quicker than the turbo... I will probably keep the turbo slab at least as a terminal for as long as I can keep it in spare parts, however, because I do love it. (Hell, I spent my Valentine's Day with it...) - Paul -- _____________________________________________________________________ Paul Brown Grad student, UCB mathematics (510)-843-7817 pbrown@math.berkeley.edu http://math.berkeley.edu/~pbrown/ NeXTmail preferred. _____________________________________________________________________
From: bchin@us.net (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 16 Feb 1997 03:42:17 GMT Organization: US Net - MD,DC,VA ISP - info@us.net Message-ID: <5e5vmp$c3g@news.us.net> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <3306480D.368C@running-start.com> Ralph Zazula <zazula@running-start.com> wrote: >- Open the printer manager under NT and select your printer (we use the >Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS) >- go to File->Document Defaults >- select the "Advanced" tab >- find the PostScript Options >- enable "Page Independence" Under NT 3.51, I was able to get NT to use the PPD for the NeXT printer. Since I no longer have NT, I unfortunately do not have explicit instructions, but here goes... I first installed a postscript printer, thus installing the postscript driver. Then, I copied the NeXT PPD file where NT keeps its installed PPDs. Then, I modified a .inf file by adding in entries for the NeXT PPD. Unfortunately, I don't remember which file that was... if you have a grep utility, just find the file with tons of postscript printer configuration entries. The file has to be modified in several places, using the existing entries as a guide. This will cause the NeXT printer to show up in the installation panel. Install it, and when it asks for disks, tell it to skip the file. Make sure "Conform to Adobe Document Structure" is checked and away you go. -- Bill Chin - bchin@us.net - NeXTmail/MIME welcomed
From: "Mark Jenkins" <markj@inwave.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 97 02:51:25 -0600 Message-ID: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or Gif). All tiff's brought over do not show up in color :-( Grayscale is all I get. I would like to be able to get the color info as well. TIA Mark markj@inwave.com
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 05:41:36 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services & Smith NET-Illinois State University Message-ID: <3306F25C.4A92@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> <In0P3o600iWp023Gw0@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles William Swiger wrote: > Someone else mentioned that maybe StuffIt (or unStuffit?) can handle the > encoding scheme used to transport the RTF(D) message, but you'll also > need something which understands RTF, and I don't know Mac WP > applications well enough to know how common RTF support is.... Standard in the latest MS Word and WordPerfect... Check out Eudora 3.1 beta, it's beginning to look a lot like NeXT Mail...except in the industry standard MIME! http://www.eudora.com/betas/ It'll read NeXT's Mail.app MIME mail fine, except it does NOT do the colors... -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: willem@mht3.gintic.gov.sg (Willem van Schaik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 1997 14:01:55 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5e740j$54p@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> References: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> Mark Jenkins (markj@inwave.com) wrote: : Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or : Gif). : All tiff's brought over do not show up in color :-( For me the most reliable form to translate NeXT tiff's is to use the pbm-plus or netpbm tools. So "tifftopnm <file> | pnmtowhatever > <file>" does the trick. Especially useful, if you want to do this in batch-mode or on a non-NeXT platform. Another good solution is ofcourse to use Imageviewer or OmniImage. Willem
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 1997 16:04:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5e7b63$f21@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5e740j$54p@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> Willem van Schaik writes > Mark Jenkins (markj@inwave.com) wrote: > : Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or > : Gif). > : All tiff's brought over do not show up in color :-( > > For me the most reliable form to translate NeXT tiff's is to use the > pbm-plus or netpbm tools. So "tifftopnm <file> | pnmtowhatever > <file>" > does the trick. Especially useful, if you want to do this in batch-mode > or on a non-NeXT platform. > > Another good solution is ofcourse to use Imageviewer or OmniImage. I, not more than 5 minutes ago was asking the same thing. I asked it of ftp.peak.org! The answer was, yes, there are tons of them! Check out: ftp://ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/graphics/(converters,viewers) There is a ton of good stuff there. GifOmatic works particularly well for what you want to do - at least I just used it to translate a bunch of tiff's to .gifs. -- Jon Haveman
From: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Majid Ftouhi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AVI or MOV movie format?? Date: 16 Feb 1997 16:29:22 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Hi all : Please, is there an application that could play an AVI or MOV movies format for NextStep/Intel? Thanks in advance. -- Majid Ftouhi Departement d'Informatique et Recherche Operationnelle Universite de Montreal email: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (MIME & NeXTMail available)
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 1997 22:09:19 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5e80if$7p2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> In-Reply-To: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> On 02/16/97, "Mark Jenkins" wrote: > Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or > Gif). > There's some relevant information at: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~malc/NEXTSTEP/WWW/ Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: peter.marzlin@uni-konstanz.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: white on black Date: 17 Feb 1997 09:52:23 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <5e99on$14qm@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Is there any possibility to change the colors of the Edit application from "black characters on white background" to "white Characters on black background"? I'm using NexTStep 3.3. Thanks, Peter
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with NeXTstation bootup anomaly Date: 18 Feb 1997 02:24:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970218022400.VAA22663@ladder01.news.aol.com> I have a NeXTstation 8/105, ADB, NS 3.0, and there seems to be a strange thing happening occasionally when I boot the machine. The system starts booting bsd, then a line (sometimes two) appears saying: sc: scintr program error the machine then starts up as normal. This doesn't affect the performance at all, I'm just curious what's going on. TIA, Joe Gidi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: AVI or MOV movie format?? Message-ID: <E5rC19.n08@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Sender: nobody@gateway.ali.bc.ca Cc: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA Organization: ALI Technologies Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:17:32 GMT References: <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> In comp.sys.next.misc Majid Ftouhi wrote: > Please, is there an application that could play an AVI or MOV movies format > for NextStep/Intel? NeXT has an MOV player called NEXTIME. Contact NeXT for purchasing information. -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine."
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:04:53 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5eao6l$178@news-central.tiac.net> References: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> wrote: >I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. >I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can >use. > The guide is inside GateKeeper.app and it really tells it all. Anyway, you might want visit http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ for further information. BTW, anyone use GateKeeper.app with slirp on the server side? I can't make MODEM shell stop exiting right after I start pppd with that frankenstein switch. Any ideas how could I use GateKeeper with slirp? Regards, Aleksey
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Black Hardware Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:06:31 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5eao9n$178@news-central.tiac.net> References: <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> 0schrier_j@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote: >As a newbie myself, could someone tell me what the various pro's and con's are >of the different models of NeXT (black) hardware? I'm a studnet that would >like to buy one, but I want some more info. > Well, if you have basic understanding of hardware I guess NeXT FAQ would be enough to choose the system you want. The URL is http://peanuts.leo.org/FAQ/NeXTFAQ.toc.html Regards, Aleksey
From: tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu (Tim Miley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old next monitor Date: 17 Feb 1997 22:55:37 GMT Organization: The Computer Club of Western Michigan University Message-ID: <5eanl9$kpc@news.news.wmich.edu> Hello. Our club has inherited a model N4001 17" MegaPixel Color Display, but we do not have a NeXT box to attach it to, just intel hardware. Does anyone know where to (if it's possible) to buy a vga to next cable, or if it is possible to make one. And if so, what are the specs for the NeXT monitor inputs. Tim -- ****************************************************************** * tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu * Why wait for Uncle Bill? * * Sec/Treas Computer Club * Join the Linux Revolution! * * Western Michigan University * Death to Micro$oft!!!!! * ******************************************************************
From: andydunn@op.net (Andy Dunn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AVI or MOV movie format?? Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:30:21 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Distribution: world Message-ID: <5eapmd$ah@picasso.op.net> References: <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Cc: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA In <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Majid Ftouhi wrote: > Hi all : > > Please, is there an application that could play an AVI or MOV movies format > for NextStep/Intel? > > Thanks in advance. > > > There is Movie.app which can play (video only) MOV files. NeXTIME can play MOV files, but you have to be running NS 3.2 or later.
From: no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: white on black Date: 18 Feb 1997 01:33:29 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <5eb0t9$6oo@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <5e99on$14qm@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <5e99on$14qm@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> peter.marzlin@uni-konstanz.de writes: > Is there any possibility to change the colors of the Edit application from > "black characters on white background" to "white Characters on black > background"? I'm using NexTStep 3.3. > > > Thanks, Peter Well, if you use a RTF document, you can set the character color by selecting all the text, and choosing the menu Format/Font/Color, and click-and-drag a color to the text. Now, perhaps it would be possible to modify the Interface Builder files in Edit.app to set the background color of the text windows. __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:37:52 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5ec7r0$1va@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Cc: vbragin@ix.netcom.com In <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Vicki Bragin wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two > applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are > nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by > using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke > that I perchance might have used that caused the main > menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I > get back these menus? There should be at least one row of pixels of the main menu visible on-screen. Try to look in the corners of your screen for a small black stripe. Or just drag out of the corners blindly. You might also try to readjust your monitor before that to make sure the edges of the screen image are not cut off. Volker
From: raymond@rcp.co.uk (Ray Offiah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:46:13 GMT Organization: Research Machines plc Message-ID: <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> On 18 Feb 1997 04:22:44 GMT, jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: >OK, > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. The >current specified Mach kernel under development (if you want to call it >that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used in mkLinux, is an actual >microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will have features from Mach 3.0, but >will not be the true Mach 3.0. Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach >2.5++'. > Yes, I too would love the latest wiz-bang features loaded into Rhapsody which would slow it down, cause it to be delivered late, and not really provide any benefits to it's users. >The near future is distributed cluster based microkernel which I believe >is evident in Mach 4.0. Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a >distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. Let's also remember that MS has been promising an OO based file system for some time now ... so I think the lesson is (as with ALL software products) 'I'll believe it when I see it'. > Apple >will implement a monolithic kernel with Rhapsody. This kernel will be >upgraded to provide SMP (Symmetrical Multiprocessing). > .... you still haven't said why this is such a huge disaster, or why the kernel cannot be replaced at a later date. >Distributed microkernels will not only use SMP, but will also use other >processors and resources of various computers across high speed network >across different computers. Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in >Star Trek. > I think that, realistically speaking, Apple should do whatever gets Rhapsody into developers hands in the shortest possible time. If that means losing a few folk because they haven't the time to build in Borg technology, then that's a cross they will have to bear. Seems a fair trade to me.
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:02:49 GMT Message-ID: <3812884479.61889461@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA >The near future is distributed cluster based microkernel which I believe >is evident in Mach 4.0. Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a >distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. Apple >will implement a monolithic kernel with Rhapsody. This kernel will be >upgraded to provide SMP (Symmetrical Multiprocessing). >Distributed microkernels will not only use SMP, but will also use other >processors and resources of various computers across high speed network >across different computers. Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in >Star Trek. As far as I see (in particular official description), the Mach kernel used in NeXTStep is a micro-kernel (i.e. a minimal kernel that handle virtual memory management, multitasking with multiple thread support and interprocess communication). It is able to dispatch processing among several CPU (even if no NeXT commercial product use this fonctionnality) and through a network among several computer (I have been said that this was already the case). Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: johnh@madcow.dircon.co.uk (John Holdsworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:52:12 GMT Organization: via Direct Connection News service Message-ID: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> I don't want to sound like a luddite but... I've put a fair amount of time into scoping the amount of work involved in porting some real applications onto OpenStep only to find that the common classes List, HashTable etc all gone from the OpenStep spec. Arrrrgh! These where useful, tightly written classes that surely would not have been to much effort to port to OpenStep (even inheriting from NSObject( but no, we are told we must use the impossible to subclass NSMutableDictionary and NSArray class clusters. While I appreciate people are trying to help us out by moving us onto these far "better" classes in the real world we have to keep software running not break it (even if we had two years to change over.) Perhaps this might explain why there are allot of NeXTStep apps out there (OmniWeb, Mesa, GateKeeper etc) but very few new OpenStep products that I am aware of. While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. A char * can go along using dodgy features like a reference count at (char *)string[-1]. EOF would be a good deal simpler and faster if NSString hadn't been invented. Dates have loads of complex behaviour and justify being a class strings are better kept as a datatype. Flaming on... John H. (madcow is a Gateway 2000 PC in case you're wondering)
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: printing to Apple LaserWriter Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 15:46:07 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg34196.thr-1f1361.f4cdd@flannet.middlebury.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg34196.thr-1f1361.f4cdd.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> Is it possible to print from an OS4.1 intel box to an Apple LaserWriter 16/600 over 10-baseT ethernet? The printer has no IP address (it's startup page reports TCP/IP: AutoSelect; IP address: 0.0.0.0) The latest version of Mac LaserWriter utility I have is 7.6.x and won't allow me to set a TCP/IP address for it. I see where I could type an IP address in PrintManager, but I don't have any idea how to set the IP address of the printer. Many thanks. -- ------------------------- David Herren ------------------------ The Language Schools herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Middlebury College http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ Middlebury, VT 05753 USA v: 802.443.5746 f: 802.443.2075 Boycott Micro$oft! Learn how & why at http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy From: stephen farrell <sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:30:22 GMT [crap about the Bord deleted] > > I think that, realistically speaking, Apple should do whatever gets > Rhapsody into developers hands in the shortest possible time. If that > means losing a few folk because they haven't the time to build in Borg > technology, then that's a cross they will have to bear. Seems a fair > trade to me. > i don't fully understand this point. developers can go out right now and purchase openstep for mach on intel, sparc, and hppa platforms, and for winNT, and solaris. why doesn't apple encourage them to do so, and make sure that the final product they deliver is simply openstep compliant (or at least just needing trivial fixes and a recompile)?
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 10:34:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> For the last several weeks, the main menus of two applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke that I perchance might have used that caused the main menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I get back these menus? Thanks for any help. Vicki Bragin -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin Physical Sciences Division, Pasadena City College 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106-2003 Phone: (818) 585-7147 Fax: (818) 585-7919 E-mail: (NeXTmail and MIME mail welcome) vbragin@nextlab.calstatela.edu vbragin@ix.netcom.com vbragin@paccd.cc.ca.us vbragin@pslc.ucla.edu **********************************************************
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:58:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ecn2o$kh2@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two > applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are > nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by > using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke > that I perchance might have used that caused the main > menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I > get back these menus? When a main menu is relocated from its default position, either purposely or through some sort of anomoly, a defaults database entry for the menu position should exist which will be used to place the menu in the same location on subsequent app invocations. Enter "dread -o TheAppName" to view the various defaults database variables. Then remove the variable that specifies the main menu location and restart the app. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 97 07:47:53 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 18 Feb 1997 05:51:50 GMT In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: > OK, > > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. > The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you > want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. To further clarify, the current Mach kernel under development is _not_ "under development" in the same sense as replacing it with some other kernel would be "under development". In fact, insofar as that comparison goes, the current Mach kernel is pretty much finished. > OSF Mach 3.0, used in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. > Apple's Mach kernel will have features from Mach 3.0, but will > not be the true Mach 3.0. Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach > 2.5++'. Yes, this has been rehashed several times, at least in the NeXT groups. If I remember correctly, some of the issues, and at least some consensus came to this concluse (If I got it wrong, please set me straight folks :) That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Umm, well, hmm. This is a rapidly evolving area, not only because there are people working on the problem of making microkernels more efficient, but because CPU speeds are outrunning I/O speeds, and main memory sizes are growing quickly (though not really getting faster). On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more efficient. On a machine like a Pentium Pro 200 with 64M or 128M of RAM, a microkernel's inefficiencies start to lessen when compared to a monolithic kernel. The problem is that the system is becoming I/O bound. A monolithic kernel waiting for something to happen is no more efficient than a microkernel waiting for something to happen. On the other hand, a microkernel allows for things like filesystems to be more easily worked on and replaced, thus potentially improving the _net_ performance. Beyond that, on personal computers you tend to have a few processes using significant resources, but not necessarily doing very many kernel calls per unit of CPU time used. [Excepting web browsers, I supposed :-).] In fact, perhaps the single biggest amount of kernel activity on many systems, after virtual memory activity, is probably the context switching between apps and their windowserver. Microkernels must by nature be very focussed on context switch time as it applies to messaging, so if a microkernel were somewhat quicker there, it would probably cancel out the increase in context switches for many users. Also, I would rephrase things as "the functionality of a monolithic kernel 'as delivered by the vendor' is not reduced". But with a monolithic kernel, replacing things like filesystem drivers is much harder. [I'm not talking about CD-ROM-as-NFS-filesystem like what NeXTSTEP has. I'm talking replacing FFS with, say, an LFS, which is used from boot time onward.] Furthermore, similiar arguments about object oriented kernel design were wrung out... Namely that Mach 4.0 was done in C++, thereby making it OOP... It too might be a situation of more buzzword-checklist hype than reasoned implementation. The kernel being a low level layer of the OS, really needs to be tuned as possible, and OO'ness doesn't necessarily make much sense or add much functionality to that layer/level, and results in more of a performance hit than functionality gain. The message-passing _kernel_ needs to be insanely efficient hand-tuned C with assembly. It's in the critical path of almost every operation the system does, for all that it should only be 50k-100k. The stuff you hang off the kernel can be whatever makes the most sense. With today's larger memories, you can afford a certain amount of slop if your filesystem access patterns can be made more efficient. Obviously, if your filesystem code is 2x the size of hand-tuned C, and doesn't implement anything to improve performance, you'll have a net loss. In any case, why are we even discussing a point made by someone who compares distributed computing to "The Borg"? I _very_ much doubt that OS designers watch Star Trek in order to get wonderful new ideas about the future. [Or is the implication that the Borg run a microkernel operating system? Perhaps Amoeba.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 18:29:24 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5ecse4$qsc@hpax.cup.hp.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a >thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. I would guess that time to market had a bigger role. But, yes, it seems performance will be better with a monolithic kernel. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
From: Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 19:49:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ed154$fu@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: [..] > [Or is the implication that the Borg run a > microkernel operating system? Perhaps Amoeba.] Perhaps Amoeba with a NetBSD personality, absorbing any, no matter how old, computing equipment in its path. Voila, BorgOS. -- Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> MIME/NeXTmail Ok UNIX/Network Specialist "A German in the U.S., speaking for himself *gasp*" Paranet, Inc., Rocky Mountain Branch http://www.paranet.com/
From: danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.qnx Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 14:47:03 -0500 Organization: QNX Software Systems Message-ID: <5ed0vn$if7@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: >> OK, >> Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. >> The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you >> want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used >> in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will >> have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. >> Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach >> 2.5++'. > >That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Just as with monolithic kernels differing in quality of implementation, microkernels also differ in quality of implementation. There are several microkernel OS's that benefit from having this architecture. >Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in >some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. None? There are several, well documented in the literature (why else would all this work into microkernel OS's be done in the first place?) >Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a >thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Performance varies dramatically between different kernels, be they monolithic or microkernel. Quality of implementation is more important than microkernel vs monolithic kernel. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 04:22:44 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> OK, Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach 2.5++'. The near future is distributed cluster based microkernel which I believe is evident in Mach 4.0. Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. Apple will implement a monolithic kernel with Rhapsody. This kernel will be upgraded to provide SMP (Symmetrical Multiprocessing). Distributed microkernels will not only use SMP, but will also use other processors and resources of various computers across high speed network across different computers. Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in Star Trek. - joaquin -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 05:51:50 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: > OK, > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. > The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you > want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used > in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will > have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. > Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach > 2.5++'. Yes, this has been rehashed several times, at least in the NeXT groups. If I remember correctly, some of the issues, and at least some consensus came to this concluse (If I got it wrong, please set me straight folks :) That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Furthermore, similiar arguments about object oriented kernel design were wrung out... Namely that Mach 4.0 was done in C++, thereby making it OOP... It too might be a situation of more buzzword-checklist hype than reasoned implementation. The kernel being a low level layer of the OS, really needs to be tuned as possible, and OO'ness doesn't necessarily make much sense or add much functionality to that layer/level, and results in more of a performance hit than functionality gain. Anyway, that's the gist of what I took from previous threads on this topic. If I got something substantially wrong, I hope someone chimes in and corrects my ignorance on the matter :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:42:39 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <3309414F.56250C0F@screaming.org> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. > The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you > want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. ...nor does its use prevent it from being replaced with one. > # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! what about needless crossposts? [followups trimmed] -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:22:21 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <330a0f52.17122045@news.inlink.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:30:22 GMT, stephen farrell <sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> wrote: > >i don't fully understand this point. developers can go out right now >and purchase openstep for mach on intel, sparc, and hppa platforms, >and for winNT, and solaris. why doesn't apple encourage them to do >so, and make sure that the final product they deliver is simply >openstep compliant (or at least just needing trivial fixes and a >recompile)? If one were to use the Mach 3.0 kernal from MKLinux, would this also work in the present with OpenStep? >
From: John Hornkvist Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 21:31:56 GMT Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Högskola Message-ID: <5ed74c$k4c@nyheter.chalmers.se> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: >> OK, >> Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. >> The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you >> want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used >> in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will >> have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. >> Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach >> 2.5++'. > >Yes, this has been rehashed several times, at least in the NeXT >groups. If I remember correctly, some of the issues, and at least >some consensus came to this concluse (If I got it wrong, please >set me straight folks :) > >That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Well... Micro kernels do have some nice chracteristics. But, as with most things, it has become more of something that "we have, too" than a tool used to provide better operating systems. >Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in >some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. Putting things outside the kernel results in performance problems if you don't move enough out of the kernel. The primary cost is switching between user and supervisor moder, and if you have too much functionality in the kernel, you'll be doing a lot of switching. You can make a micro kernel run fast, just as you can make an objective C program run fast. You just have to remember where the problems are. I'm not sure that Mach is the best place to start if you really want a good micro kernel, though. The monolithic but message passing Mach 2.5 is an excellent foundation for an OS, though. >Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a >thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. It is reduced, but not in a way that will matter on a personal computer. More modular approaches make sense if you run on MPP systems, for example. So, I hope Apple redesigns the kernel before they come out with an OS for systems with more than, say, 64 processors. :) >Furthermore, similiar arguments about object oriented kernel design >were wrung out... Namely that Mach 4.0 was done in C++, thereby >making it OOP... It too might be a situation of more buzzword-checklist >hype than reasoned implementation. The kernel being a low level >layer of the OS, really needs to be tuned as possible, and OO'ness >doesn't necessarily make much sense or add much functionality to >that layer/level, and results in more of a performance hit than >functionality gain. Micro kernel design is similar to RISC chip design; you try to find the most commonly used functions, and then speed those up. Less common things are done by combining simpler operations. If you use static binding and inlining, C++ would be good for the lowest level of an OS, I think. Remember that with C++ object orientation seems to end as soon as you compile... By the way, I would think that NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP stresses the OS in ways that a normal operating system may not do, and therefore the kernel has to be optimized differently. That may affect the choice of kernel; Mach 3 or "the Copland micro kernel" are unlikely to be optimized for running OPENSTEP. NeXT's Mach is likely to be highly optimized for that purpose. In addition to that it is stable, has been ported to many architectures, and is the foundation for OPENSTEP today. All in all, there is nothing wrong with cool technology, as long as it doesn't get away of important matters. --- John Hornkvist --- nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se Working on MSc in Computer Engineering, and MSc in Industrial Engineering and Management of Technology Does anyone need a NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP savvy programmer for the summer of '97? Sorry for not leaving my address in the header, but I get too many spam mails already... If you want to reach me, try nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.text.frame,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [ANN] Metrowerks has Openings for Technical Writers Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:02:26 -0500 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-1802972002260001@aumi0-a01.ccm.tds.net> Metrowerks has Openings for Technical Writers Senior Technical Writer Location: negotiable Salary: commensurate with experience Technical Writer Location: Austin, TX Salary: commensurate with experience Production Specialist Location: Austin, TX Salary: 30K Metrowerks, located in Austin, Texas, is a world leader in software development tools, has positions open in documentation ranging from entry-level to senior technical writer. Experience in FrameMaker (authoring environment) a major plus, for the writers, Experience with HTML a major plus for the documentation production specialist. You will find the job postings with complete descriptions at: <http://www.metrowerks.com/about/jobs/index.html> -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty "Software at Work" MWRon@metrowerks.com http://www.metrowerks.com/about/people/rogues.html#mwron
From: "Trey McClendon" <tgm@hiwaay.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 19 Feb 1997 01:47:09 GMT Organization: Ongoing Message-ID: <01bc1e06$d0951700$699193d0@tgm.hiwaay.net> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM> <856045067.25358@dejanews.com> I've had some excellent success with the Adobe Postscript driver in conjunction with the NeXT Laserprinter PPD file also available at Adobe. I don't know if it runs on NT, though. It might be worth checking out. See the www.adobe.com site for more details. trey john@nextdoor.com wrote in article <856045067.25358@dejanews.com>... > In article <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM>, > Eric_Noyau@next.com (Eric Noyau) wrote: > > > > (Munch...) > > > > You have to check the 'page independence' switch somewhere in one of the > > NT configuration panel. Right click on your printer, and click on > > 'document defaults'/Advanced/'Postscript options'/'Page independence'. > > > > That should do the trick. > > > IT WORKS!!! > > Well, for the most part anyway. I still get an occasional PostScript > error when printing a subset of the pages in an MS Word document, and I > got a "WindowServer[202]: nxpd_PageProc: can't print page: invalid port" > error in the middle of a multi-page document once, but compared to being > able to print only one page at a time, I can live with errors like these > occasionally. > > Eric, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! I was wrestling with this problem > for weeks, and was just getting ready to go out and buy a new laser > printer for the PC. You saved me 700 bucks! > > John > john@nextdoor.com > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet >
From: mail25193@pop.net (Fred Trottelhauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.misc Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 04:31:03 GMT Message-ID: <5edvm7$t2v@news0-alterdial.uu.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> In <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com>, jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) writes: > Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a >distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. This will need to be watched very carefully, since Microsoft up until now has shown itself to be oriented, under the guise of a cheerily populist "software for the people", only towards foisting stunted garbage onto the public. Mircosoft rakes in billions by virtue of its marketing skill while real computing power is not allowed to reach the masses; Bill gets press as such a lovely bright young man while the interests that would maintain a mediocre status quo and a population which is not independent have their needs met. If this is another effort in that same vein, then it isn't worth a damn. The company reminds me of what a New York City resident said in my hearing one day, "we're the greatest city in the world. We have the greatest art, the most brilliant minds, the finest culture. We buy it all." That mode does nothing to maintain a living discipline, a growing ecosystem (computing ecosystem in this case) - it reduces it to a dead commodity sold by degenerate undead profiteers to stupified consumers. Mircosoft should stick to end-user products for the low end of the market, and keep its nose out of areas of the industry that matter in more than the short term. > [...]Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in >Star Trek. Your references aren't really an asset to your case... Fred Just as an aside, imagine for a moment what things would be like if everyone in the workplace (note ! - just the workplace) who now has a PC on their desk running a DOS/MS derivative would instead have a PC on their desk running Unix with a GUI, a minimal administrative interface, and the productivity tools equivalent to what they have under MS (which exist, please don't even start that discussion.) Imagine ! Half _years_ between reboots No stalls as your OS decides it's time to do some multitasking Fast task switching from the user perspective instead of Sominex-qualified GUIs Real, fast networking without hiccups and hangs Grown-up quality distributed facilities for file sharing and security A computing base that doesn't need a "revolution" every few years just to keep pace with hardware growth and user needs, because instead it is a non-stunted and correct implementation of the cutting edge of developments in the field. Imagine, particularly if you're involved in the business end of things, the BILLIONS of dollars in increased productivity which would be realized if this were the case now, nevermind if it had been the case for the last say eight years. Microsoft just doesn't cut it as the candidate to lead the way into the computing future. Others are more than qualified.
From: Alex Blakemore <alex@genoa.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 18 Feb 1997 04:14:17 GMT Organization: Genoa Software Systems Message-ID: <5ebaap$6db@saturn.genoa.com> References: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: johnh@madcow.dircon.co.uk In <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> John Holdsworth wrote: > I don't want to sound like a luddite but... > I've put a fair amount of time into scoping the amount of work > involved in porting some real applications onto OpenStep only > to find that the common classes List, HashTable etc all gone > from the OpenStep spec. Which is why Object, List, HashTable, StringTable and Storage ARE still available in NeXT's implementation of OPENSTEP, even if they are not officially part of the spec. For backward compatibility. I wouldn't recommend using them in new apps though. > While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. Give NSString a chance, most people I've observed find it alot simpler to deal with than char * and its nice to only have to remember one approach for allocation, deallocation etc - even if a few operations are a little more awkward. Plus you get Unicode support. -- Alex Blakemore alex@genoa.com NeXT, MIME and ASCII mail accepted
From: chris@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: websterd binary for motorola? Date: 18 Feb 1997 13:41:04 -0600 Organization: interQuest Online Services -- Huntsville, AL Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ed0kg$per@vespucci.iquest.com> Can someone point me to a websterd binary that runs under NS 3.3. thanks -- "Perception is not in the eye of the beholder, but of his fears." - Me. NeXTstep/*BSD*/SunOS/OSF/Ultrix/Solaris/Linux/OS2/VSTa/SCO/WinNT/Unix/...
From: "Terje A. Bergesen" <no.email@to.me.please> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:18:33 +0100 Organization: NSEP Message-ID: <330AA949.3801@to.me.please> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: [...] > That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... > Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in > some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. I really don't think this is a microkernel vs monolithic issue. I think it is an implementation issue. There are good examples, both in theory and in real life of implementations of microkernel OS's that have good performance. I haven't (sadly, I haven't got the time) looked at QNX for a while, but last time I looked it had a kernel of some 8K or something in that area, and excellent performance. ____________________________________________________________________ --- Terje Bergesen - I speak only for me, not for my employer. --- --- Email adress can be decuted from: t.bergesen at shell.no
From: rmcassid@uci.edu (Robert Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:29:20 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine Message-ID: <rmcassid-1902972329210001@dialin9118.slip.uci.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. ^ <groan> Sorry, it might be correct but that's just one ugly-assed word :-) -Bobness Cassidyness
From: mphunter@249.com (Michael Hunter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Date: 19 Feb 1997 15:03:09 GMT Organization: QNX Software Systems Ltd. Message-ID: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> Scott Hess (shess@one.net) wrote: : In any case, why are we even discussing a point made by someone who : compares distributed computing to "The Borg"? I _very_ much doubt : that OS designers watch Star Trek in order to get wonderful new ideas : about the future. [Or is the implication that the Borg run a : microkernel operating system? Perhaps Amoeba.] Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple looked to the stars for their salvation. -- * Michael Hunter (mphunter@qnx.com, http://www.qnx.com/~mphunter)
From: danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 08:11:30 -0500 Organization: QNX Software Systems Message-ID: <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net>, Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: >In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, > > That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... > Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in > some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. > Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a > thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep > things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > >Umm, well, hmm. This is a rapidly evolving area, not only because >there are people working on the problem of making microkernels more >efficient, but because CPU speeds are outrunning I/O speeds, and main >memory sizes are growing quickly (though not really getting faster). >On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are >relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more efficient. Easily? Can you back this up? While some monolithic kernels are faster than some microkernels, this is not universally true. >Beyond that, on personal computers you tend to have a few processes >using significant resources, but not necessarily doing very many >kernel calls per unit of CPU time used. [Excepting web browsers, I >supposed :-).] In fact, perhaps the single biggest amount of kernel >activity on many systems, after virtual memory activity, is probably >the context switching between apps and their windowserver. >Microkernels must by nature be very focussed on context switch time as >it applies to messaging, so if a microkernel were somewhat quicker >there, it would probably cancel out the increase in context switches >for many users. Exactly - and with so many applications these days being structured as clients and servers (either local or network remote from each other), the speed with which you can do IPC (which implies context switching as part of the IPC), the faster the client/server transactions can occur. A microkernel works to simplify the kernel, with the goal being to then incur the complexity of making that simple kernel perform its operations as efficiently and quickly as possible. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:19:38 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <330B1A0A.52930AE1@screaming.org> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <rmcassid-1902972329210001@dialin9118.slip.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Cassidy wrote: > jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > ^ > <groan> > Sorry, it might be correct but that's just one ugly-assed word :-) You're right. I think the right word is monolithicitudeinousossity. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WTB: NeXT Bible (and other NeXT books) Date: 19 Feb 1997 18:01:08 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-1802971004000001@i501.oro.net> What do you have. I heard the NeXT Bible was a book on the NeXT platform. What else do you have for sale. Thomas
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:08:04 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217> References: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple >looked to the stars for their salvation. Nah. They had Windows. Bill Gates was the last survivor of the Roswell Crash, waiting for rescue and trying to sabatoge the Macintosh Way while he was at it (the ID4 aliens are an interstellar consortium of MIS folk, dedicated to making sure that the Macintosh Way never threatens their hegomony (that's why they attacked Earth)). The irony is that Bill Gates was on the verge of destroying the Mac, but since Windows is designed so that Windows machines can't talk to each other easily, he was unable to communicate that fact to the alien mothership. Since Macs are designed to network with Windows easier than Windows machines are, the PowerBook was able to interface with the mothership before Gates could, and the rest is history. Unfortunately, Apple was unable to sell any PowerBooks, even though one had saved the world, and Windows crushed the Mac, even without help from the aliens. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Thomas L. Ferrell" <11r@ornl.NoSpams.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.text.frame,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [ANN] Metrowerks has Openings for Technical Writers Date: 19 Feb 1997 04:38:06 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Message-ID: <5ee03e$i1l@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> References: <MWRon-1802972002260001@aumi0-a01.ccm.tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now Ron! That motorcycle looks like it isn't moving at all. Is there a 3400 built into it with wireless ethernet? As far as your jobs are concerned, send me a free copy of the marvelous LAGS feeder CW Gold and I'll look over what your new Sr.Tech Writer writes and send it back with a lot of red marks all over it. Just one iteration naturally! tom f44@ornl.NoSpam.gov 11r@ornl.SpamTrash.gov tf@macconnect.GetLostSpammers.com tlf@utkux.utcc.ChuckSpam.utk.edu (Please remove NoSpam and other obvious deviant-behavior text from my email addresses to reply--choose any address that may work at high tide)
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:54:59 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qn2ZpnS00iWp0GT=M0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> In-Reply-To: <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 18-Feb-97 Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a mic.. by Scott Hess@one.net > To further clarify, the current Mach kernel under development is _not_ > "under development" in the same sense as replacing it with some other > kernel would be "under development". In fact, insofar as that > comparison goes, the current Mach kernel is pretty much finished. Sure, although I do wish Apple/NeXT would support Mach's user-level paging objects so that individual processes like databases and garbage-collecting environments like LISP interpreters could have their own pagers. The NFS implementation could use an update, too. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Date: 18 Feb 1997 20:42:17 GMT Organization: JLC-net, Milford NH Message-ID: <5ed479$ctm@mozart.jlc.net> I really do love my color turbo. Problem is, whenever I try to reboot it or shut it down, it hangs, necessitating a break to the ROM monitor, and a 'bsd' from there. I'd like to skip this,. Does any know why it might do this? Thanks in advance. Peace, James -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 14:13:41 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5ecv15$d1r@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> In article <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu>, stephen farrell <sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> wrote: > i don't fully understand this point. developers can go out right now > and purchase openstep for mach on intel, sparc, and hppa platforms, > and for winNT, and solaris. why doesn't apple encourage them to do so, Well, for one, many Mac developers probably don't have large numbers of spare Sparc, HPPA, or even Intel machines lying around on which to do development. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with NeXTstation bootup anomaly Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:59:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970219225900.RAA08950@ladder02.news.aol.com> I have a NeXTstation 8/105, ADB, NS 3.0, and there seems to be a strange thing happening occasionally when I boot the machine. The system starts booting bsd, then a line (sometimes two) appears saying: sc: scintr program error the machine then starts up as normal. This doesn't affect the performance at all, I'm just curious what's going on. TIA, Joe Gidi
From: kevin@vulcansthrone.az.stratus.com (Kevin Dorer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black box on 3.3 will not power off Date: 20 Feb 1997 03:54:34 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> Black NeXT hardware, pizza box running NeXTStep 3.3 powers on automatically after power off. Neither the 'After power off/failure' nor the 'At specified time' buttons are checked under preferences for root or other 2 users. Buttons may have been checked at some time in the past for one of the users. Also tried enabling/disabling power off (problem with this mentioned 3.1 release notes). Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kevin C. Dorer VOS Mail: Kevin_Dorer@vos.stratus.com Software Systems Engineer NeXT Mail: kevin@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc., 4455 E. Camelback Road, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: lebmjb@juno.com (lebmjb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: Network NeXT to a Dell Pentium PC Date: 20 Feb 1997 03:45:43 GMT Organization: LEBMJB Message-ID: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII If this has been asked before (and I'm sure it has), I appoligize. I am new to these NeXT newgroups. How can we network a NeXT computer to a Dell Pentium computer? I need to know the actual physical hook-up, ie; network cards, cables, etc. Thanks -- Larry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702200151.UAA03122@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: ab723a9de45240d5682e612dc0534e63 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 20:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: ab723a9de45240d5682e612dc0534e63 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Original Date: 18 Feb 1997 20:42:17 GMT Message-ID: ab723a9de45240d5682e612dc0534e63 - > Problem is, whenever I try to reboot it or shut it down, it hangs, > necessitating a break to the ROM monitor, and a 'bsd' from there. There must be some process that refuses to die when you ask it to reboot. Try logging out, login as 'console' (no password) and then login to your account (or root) and run 'ps' to see if there's anything running. If so, kill it and then logout. I've also had good luck using a LogoutHook that asks me if I want to power the machine off or reboot. NOTE: this uses /usr/etc/shutdown which you either have to make SETUID root (or use 'asroot' to run 'shutdown'). It also uses the Alert binary from ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/ShellPanel.2.0.NIHS.bs.tar.gz If you need the LogoutHook binary, you can find it here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/LogHooks.1.0.NIHS.bs.tar.gz TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 00:24:23 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services & Smith NET-Illinois State University Message-ID: <330BEE14.4816@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Howard wrote: > > How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? > I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. > All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All > versions?" Yep- for NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/MACH (there's a set of NEXTSTEP libraries for compatibility, but true OPENSTEP apps use the other method), but NOT NT OPENSTEP, or Solaris OPENSTEP. NS apps usually come in .pkg files which often have these descriptors NIHS (NeXT, Intel, HP-PA RISC, SPARC) MAB (Multi-Architecture Binary) It's cool as hell! But OPENSTEP seems to have a new scheme. Perhaps someone else can explain that. Hope that doesn't confuse you too much. -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: mxcs@cris.com (Mark Carmichael) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten Subject: Aliens among our Computers (was <...> IS NOT a microkernel!!!!!) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:16:40 -0800 Organization: Seventh Church of Rodney Message-ID: <mxcs-ya02408000R1902971016400001@news.cris.com> References: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple >looked to the stars for their salvation. Nah. They had Windows. Bill Gates was the last survivor of the Roswell Crash, waiting for rescue and trying to sabatoge the Macintosh Way while he [....] Nefariously seeding technical newsgroups with psycho-viral crosspostings *that we cannont resist responding to* is also part of their evil plan. All of this Borg stuff reminds me of my personal vision of the climatic ending of "Terminator IX", wherein the latest Machine representative is tricked into entering DOS compatibility mode using logic (by an aged William Shatner, in a cameo appearance). -- Mark Carmichael "My phone bill, my opinions."
From: arno <arno@lysis.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: printing problem on OpenStep 4.x under Windows NT 3.51 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:37:47 +0000 Organization: Planet Communications Sarl Message-ID: <330C378B.76A1@lysis.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gurus, I have aproblem to print, from a next application (like TextEdit), on a HP laserjet 5MP. When i try to print a receive the following error messages: <printer> is not supported please select a Poscript printer Any clue what i can do ? -- Arno Streuli Network Administrator arno@lysis.ch
From: "Maria T. Thornhill" <sspndr@miami.gdi.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DO YOUR SHEETS COME UP? Date: 19 Feb 1997 19:56:28 GMT Organization: Compaq Message-ID: <01bc1eb7$83f2b0e0$b41d7ccf@MariaT.Thornhill> Now try "Sheet Suspenders" - no lifting necessary, made in the U.S. and PATENTED. See http://www.sheetsuspenders.com Enjoy the best night's sleep. Invented after an accident resulting in spinal cord surgery and being in bed for over a year.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black box on 3.3 will not power off Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:28:16 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Un37iUe00iWm02vLA0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.sysadmin: 20-Feb-97 Black box on 3.3 will not p.. by Kevin Dorer@vulcansthron > Black NeXT hardware, pizza box running NeXTStep 3.3 powers on > automatically after power off. Neither the 'After power off/failure' > nor the 'At specified time' buttons are checked under preferences > for root or other 2 users. Buttons may have been checked at some > time in the past for one of the users. Also tried enabling/disabling > power off (problem with this mentioned 3.1 release notes). Ideas > or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Maybe the battery which maintains that configuration information is dying and needs to be replaced. I think the battery type used to be called a "BR/23A" or some such, but check the FAQ for the name which it is now known by. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 97 08:54:28 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> In-reply-to: danh@qnx.com's message of 19 Feb 1997 08:11:30 -0500 In article <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) writes: In article <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net>, Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: >On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are >relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more >efficient. Easily? Can you back this up? While some monolithic kernels are faster than some microkernels, this is not universally true. I was not asserting that all monolithic kernels are more efficient than all microkernels for any machine. I was asserting that for a given system, a monolithic kernel written with the same close attention to detail and overall design as a microkernel for the same system should be more efficient because it can optimize away many operations. It might just take 30 times as long to write the monolithic kernel version. Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels are coming into their own because we are asking entirely too much of our monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes to add something new to your monolithic kernel is often so great that you never get around to it - and thus a microkernel can be more efficient in the end. In essence, using a microkernel lets you get to a better design for the system faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. This is similar to the differences between object programming and structured programming. Any given system _can_ be written in either. And if you write a given system using the same design in either, the structured version will generally be more efficient, because it doesn't have the object version's overhead. The fly in the ointment is that the structured version generally will never be written that way, though, because it doesn't help you manage complexity well enough. Object languages win in the end because though they might not be faster for a given design, they let you modify the design more easily. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:44:46 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E5wxAn.CGn@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > In article <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) writes: > In article <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net>, > Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: > >On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are > >relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more > >efficient. > > Easily? Can you back this up? While some monolithic kernels are > faster than some microkernels, this is not universally true. > > I was not asserting that all monolithic kernels are more efficient > than all microkernels for any machine. I was asserting that for a > given system, a monolithic kernel written with the same close > attention to detail and overall design as a microkernel for the same > system should be more efficient because it can optimize away many > operations. It might just take 30 times as long to write the > monolithic kernel version. In the case of the hybrid style of kernel that NeXT uses, though it isn't a microkernel it is (largely) written as if it was one. The design is microkernel based, and could be split out into many processes at varying priveledge levels. However towards the end of the implementation you throw everything into one address space, and gain much of the performance of a monolithic kernel (wrt to moving memory around and context switching inside the kernel). $an > <Favorite unused computer book title: The COMPLETE Idiots Guide to the > Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:45:28 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <330BBAC8.6330@smart.net> References: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> > I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. > I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can > use. I don't know how up to date this page is, but take a look at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ --gh
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 20:52:24 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <jcr.856421720@idiom.com> jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > [munch] > >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality > >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > Good God, John! Please please, just 'John' will be fine. :) > You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct > word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" Actually, neither show up in websters. > "Monolithicness", actually spelled "monoliTHICKness," is a > different word altogether, meaning: "The smallest dimension of > that thing in Kubric's movie, 2001," or: "The mental state of > believing that statically linking everything is Just Fine." Now I see how L. Ron. Hubbard became god :) > Yours for a more erudite, and sesquipedalian c.s.n.a, Mine for a more plain spoken, blunt, and effective communication, sans perwinkle obfuscation of content, or pedantic clutching to semantics. :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Feb Quiz - last call (+hints) ! Date: 20 Feb 1997 20:52:55 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5eidj8$5i5@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for the SSS February quiz on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, hurry! Deadline is Feb 27. ========= ATTENTION ========= Acc. to the very low number of correct answers so far, this month's quiz question seems to be way more difficult to solve than I've initially thought. So here's these *hints*: 1) The item in question is about the smallest one in the given picture - besides the grass and the sand, of course. 2) The item in question is close to invisible in the given picture. But everyone who has ever had to do anything with photography and/or image manipulation apps will know at first sight how to restore the given picture to the original version. The winners - as always drawn by my nieces - will receive a free HelpViewer or LatinByrd license! Or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 14:55:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF3219BD-76C68@198.68.42.250> References: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: >jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >> You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct >> word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" > >Actually, neither show up in websters. Monolithicism, on the other hand, does. Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary: Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 21:43:06 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5eigha$9nt@news3.digex.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <rmcassid-1902972329210001@dialin9118.slip.uci.edu> <330B1A0A.52930AE1@screaming.org> Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> wrote: > Robert Cassidy wrote: > > jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > > Sorry, it might be correct but that's just one ugly-assed word > > :-) > You're right. I think the right word is monolithicitudeinousossity. You say poetateo (the edger allen kind :), and I say french fries, you say toemateoes, and I say yummy pies. poetateo, french fries toemateos, yummy pies... let's call the whole thing fooooo'd....oh, yes, let's call the whole thing foo'd :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: jweiss@MCS.COM (Jerry S. Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten Subject: Re: Aliens among our Computers (was <...> IS NOT a microkernel!!!!!) Date: 19 Feb 1997 17:03:17 -0600 Organization: MCSNet, Chicagoland's finest Internet provider - 312-803-6271 Message-ID: <5eg0rl$s14$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> References: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217> <mxcs-ya02408000R1902971016400001@news.cris.com> In article <mxcs-ya02408000R1902971016400001@news.cris.com>, Mark Carmichael <mxcs@cris.com> wrote: >In article <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217>, "Lawson English" ><english@primenet.com> wrote: > > > > >Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple > >looked to the stars for their salvation. > > Nah. They had Windows. Bill Gates was the last survivor of the Roswell > Crash, waiting for rescue and trying to sabatoge the Macintosh Way while he > [....] > >Nefariously seeding technical newsgroups with psycho-viral crosspostings >*that we cannont resist responding to* is also part of their evil plan. > >All of this Borg stuff reminds me of my personal vision of the climatic >ending of "Terminator IX", wherein the latest Machine representative is >tricked into entering DOS compatibility mode using logic (by an aged >William Shatner, in a cameo appearance). > Actually you could probably get any electronic device with more than two transistors to fail by simply exposing it to a sample of William Shatner's singing talent (or lack thereof). All the more reason why Vulcans, given their finely tuned logic and excellent hearing won't come withing 100 parsecs of this silly little rock. It would be nice to use one Bill to defeat the other and his changeling operating system. Alas the resultant back blast from such an event would sterilize the entire planet. Instead, I think we need to trust Steve and try to imagine how he would look in pointed ears ;-)
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:56:18 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.856421720@idiom.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: [munch] >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Good God, John! You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" "Monolithicness", actually spelled "monoliTHICKness," is a different word altogether, meaning: "The smallest dimension of that thing in Kubric's movie, 2001," or: "The mental state of believing that statically linking everything is Just Fine." Yours for a more erudite, and sesquipedalian c.s.n.a, -jcr
From: vickery@tornado.svs.com (Jeffrey M. Vickery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.misc Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:44:07 -0600 Organization: Sun Valley SoftWare, Ltd. (tornado) Message-ID: <vickery-ya02408000R1902971244070001@brownfox> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5edvm7$t2v@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5edvm7$t2v@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, mail25193@pop.net wrote: > Just as an aside, imagine for a moment what things would be like if everyone > in the workplace (note ! - just the workplace) who now has a PC on their desk > running a DOS/MS derivative would instead have a PC on their desk running Unix > with a GUI, a minimal administrative interface, and the productivity tools > equivalent to what they have under MS (which exist, please don't even start that > discussion.) Fred: I can't agree with you more! In fact, an aquaintance of mine that used to work for John Deer (The farm equipment people) as a programmer told me all about the system that he used to do updates for back in what I believe was the early 80's... Since Windows didn't exist at this time, Unix was really widely used in the business world - but usually with badly written packages that one would use via a terminal. However, Deer decided to implement a workgroup system that ran over SVR4 with Berkeley enhancements (essentially just the 'r'-series commands). What they found is that they could write their own windowing system (similar to X11) that could be customized for their own use - not somebody else's interface guidelines (i.e. MS Windows). Releasing updates was a snap because, of course, the system was easy to patch. Instead of hinging their technological ability on how often Microsoft would decide to release an update, they had a powerful client/server based system that could be easily modified by an in-house staff of "computer geeks" that knew Unix. Imagine how much money would be saved in the American business (hell, the global business) if such systems were implemented today. Instead of letting Gates get a share of everything, everything would be based on an industry-standard that can be ported to practically any other Unix platform. One common complaint is that you would then have systems that can't talk to each other. The contrary, though, is true - TCP/IP is good enough to drive a network as large as the Internet - why wouldn't it be good enough for corporate Intranet's? MS and any other Windows peddling company seems to think so as well, as they're dumping millions into the Intranet philosophy...Something that could have been done with Unix systems almost 20 years ago. I think relying on a key player like MS to provide updates for "everything" will be the downfall...or at least I hope it will be. Anyway, enough ranting... Best, Jeff +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeffrey M. Vickery | Electronic Mail: vickery@tornado.svs.com | | System Administrator +--------------------------------------------------+ | tornado.svs.com | World Wide Web: http://tornado.svs.com/~vickery/ | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: 21 Feb 1997 03:24:48 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5ej4i0$o55@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> <330BBAC8.6330@smart.net> Cc: gh@smart.net In <330BBAC8.6330@smart.net> gh@smart.net wrote: > > I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. > > I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can > > use. > > I don't know how up to date this page is, but take > a look at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ > > --gh > there's also on-line docs at: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/ReleaseNotes/PPP.rtf -rick
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:43:25 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <330D0BCD.5AD3C7F6@screaming.org> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <jcr.856421720@idiom.com> <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > > > > "Monolithicness", actually spelled "monoliTHICKness," is a > > different word altogether, meaning: "The smallest dimension of > > that thing in Kubric's movie, 2001," or: "The mental state of > > believing that statically linking everything is Just Fine." > > Now I see how L. Ron. Hubbard became god :) Speaking of clever obfuscation, has anybody here actually read Dianetics? I swear: there are scores of plain, blunt words used as special Scientologist jargon -- none of which is given an adequate definition -- and the book is littered with footnotes defining "hard words" like prefrontal lobes arthritis sinusitis bursitis diabetes vacillate ...and then slowly throughout the book, L Ron Hoover starts slipping in L Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology Nomenclature(tm) -- all of which are defined in terms of each other. It's a fascinating tangled web of stupidity, written in a plain, easy to read form. And it makes a great gift, too! -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 06:39:11 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ejfuf$ae2@news4.digex.net> References: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> <AF3219BD-76C68@198.68.42.250> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: Monolithicism, on the > other hand, does. Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary: > Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. In the states, the authority is likely to be the 9th or newer version. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 21 Feb 1997 04:21:01 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5ej7rd$87k@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Cc: humanist@interport.net In <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Michael Howard wrote: > How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? > I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. > All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All > versions?" > ------------------- In the archives (e.g. ftp://ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/, ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next) look for files with of the form "New.app.N.tar.gz" or "New.app.NI.tar.gz" or "New.app.NIHS.tar.gz". The "N" means NeXT hardware. NeXT uses a Multi-architecture binary that the NEXTSTEP operating system knows how to deal with. Basically, as I understand it, the executable files contains several sections: 1. one that is readable by all architectures identifying which architectures are supported in the executable; 2. the binaries for each supported architecture 3. the architecture-independent resources needed by the application---graphics, the *.nib data, etc. So, only section 2. varies between different compilations. When the app comes as a package, the Installer can liposuction the unwanted parts of 2. There is also an app called "lipo" that does this. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 22:30:07 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF328494-208653@206.165.42.206> References: <jcr.856487960@idiom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Randolph <jcr@idiom.com> queried: >>Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. > >Well, the thirty-day killfile entry expired, and what do I see right away? >An article by Lawson, demonstrating once again, that he has far more time >on his hands than I do. > >-jcr > >PS: So, Lawson: Any luck on the GX advocacy fight? So, John, how's the Gratituous Insult business? I mean, if you don't have enough time look up a word in a dictionary, but DO have enough time to flame me, I gotta assume that yours was a work-related post, right? --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: bk.ismc-gmbh@t-online.de (Dr. Bertram Karch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTprinter on Windows-PC Date: 18 Feb 1997 11:49:51 GMT Organization: ISMC GmbH Message-ID: <5ec50v$vga@news00.btx.dtag.de> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have problems connecting a nextstep colorprinter (CANON BJC 820) to a windows (NT 4.0 or W95) PC. The hardware is recognized, but if I print the testpage only trash characters are printed. Has someone experience with nextstep printers on windows ? ISMC GmbH Dr. Bertram Karch Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 D-76337 Waldbronn Tel. : 07243/5681-25 Fax : 07243/568122 Email: bk.ismc-gmbh@t-online.de
From: humanist@interport.net (Michael Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:39:25 GMT Organization: Humanist Movement Message-ID: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All versions?" ------------------- Michael Howard - humanist@interport.net PC/Mac technical support Tutoring and english/computerese translation/interpreting Humanist world revolutionary
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Date: 20 Feb 1997 01:28:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970220012801.UAA09770@ladder02.news.aol.com> References: <5ed479$ctm@mozart.jlc.net> It would be helpful in diagnosing the problem if you could tell me/us things like how old the machine is, what hardware it has, what software you have, if the problem happens no matter what software your using or if it only does it from a particular piece of software, if your hooked up to a network, etc., etc. Scott Johnson
From: sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Arne Sieg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 21 Feb 1997 21:42:19 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5el4rr$kjm@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Keywords: binary intel/motorola/sparc/hp Michael Howard writes > How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? Programs are shipped as "fat-binary". Your platform chooses the right binary. Have a look at http://www.peanuts.org/ There you see ...NIHS... in the filename, which means Next Intel HP-PA Sparc! So this program is compiled quad-fat. > I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. > All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All > versions?" -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin-PST (E10, E3, E0.6) URL: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 19:08:01 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > > Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels are > coming into their own because we are asking entirely too much of our > monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes to add something > new to your monolithic kernel is often so great that you never get > around to it - and thus a microkernel can be more efficient in the > end. In essence, using a microkernel lets you get to a better design > for the system faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. > > This is similar to the differences between object programming and > structured programming. Any given system _can_ be written in either. > And if you write a given system using the same design in either, the > structured version will generally be more efficient, because it > doesn't have the object version's overhead. The fly in the ointment > is that the structured version generally will never be written that > way, though, because it doesn't help you manage complexity well > enough. Object languages win in the end because though they might not > be faster for a given design, they let you modify the design more > easily. > This is very well said. That was my orginal concern about the decision about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). Playing devil's advocate: For the business side, this could be the correct decision. Apple needs to ship a developement system hosting NeXT for developers. This needs to be done as soon as possible. Afterwards, the kernel may have more features, but the monolithic kernel was probaly chosen in order to have a little risks and be able to meet deadlines. This is a sound decision. Afterwards, there is no reason, Apple could upgrade their monolithic kernel (Mach 2.5++) to that of a better kernel like good microkernel and/or a distributed cluster based kernel to the highend publishing, server, and rendering markets. Just my thoughts. joaquin -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 12:06:49 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.856555295@idiom.com> References: <jcr.856487960@idiom.com> <AF328494-208653@206.165.42.206> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >So, John, how's the Gratituous Insult business? Pretty good. I can always count on getting a reaction out of you! Still, I'm keeping the day job. >I mean, if you don't have enough time look up a word in a dictionary, but >DO have enough time to flame me, I gotta assume that yours was a >work-related post, right? And, if you think you've been flamed by me, then I can only surmise that you're not very experienced at net.flamage. -jcr
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP: Network NeXT to a Dell Pentium PC Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:53:58 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <An3_jK_00iWQI8c6dE@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> In-Reply-To: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 20-Feb-97 HELP: Network NeXT to a De.. by lebmjb@juno.com > How can we network a NeXT computer to a Dell Pentium computer? I need to > know the actual physical hook-up, ie; network cards, cables, etc. First, you've got a choice between 10-Base-2 and 10-Base-T ethernet. The first is composed of shielded RG-58/U cable (also known "thin" ethernet) which looks much like VCR cabling, and involves T-shaped BNC connectors and needs 50-ohm terminators at the ends of the cabling; the other uses what's essentially high-grade unshielded phone wiring in a star topology (category 5 or better, IIRC) and a RJ-45 connector that resembles an oversized phone jack. The NeXT machine has both connectors, so you can choose either one. For the PC, you'll need to get a network card; Intel's EtherExpress line is inexpensive and offers good performance and I've heard very few complaints. Again, you'll probably end up with a card which offers both a BNC and a RJ-45 connector. Thin ethernet is cheaper, but somewhat less reliable for large installations; 10-base-T requires a star topology which is more reliable but also means you'll need to get hubs which cost some bucks-- ~$120 or so for a decent 8-port hub. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 17:21:57 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.856487960@idiom.com> References: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> <AF3219BD-76C68@198.68.42.250> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: >>jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >>> You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct >>> word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" >> >>Actually, neither show up in websters. >Monolithicism, on the other hand, does. Webster's 3rd New International >Dictionary: >Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. Well, the thirty-day killfile entry expired, and what do I see right away? An article by Lawson, demonstrating once again, that he has far more time on his hands than I do. -jcr PS: So, Lawson: Any luck on the GX advocacy fight?
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:36:01 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Message-ID: <j-norstad-2102972036010001@legume186142.nuts.nwu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > NuKernel should have been scrapped before > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. To pick a nit, this has nothing to do with NuKernel, but with the higher levels of Copland. I'd rephrase your statement: *Copland* should have been scrapped .... what you said. NuKernel was actually a pretty nice kernel, at least as far as I could tell from the white paper released way back in 1995. It was the rest of Copland that sucked, specifically the crazy requirement that any task which drew in a window or interacted with the user had to live in the blue box, and hence could not benefit from preemptive scheduling or protected memory, which in turn led to the even crazier notion that apps would be factored into "server" and "UI" tasks which communicated via Apple events. Yuck. Rhapsody is a much better idea. I think Rhapsody as OpenStep on NuKernel would have been just fine, but would have taken longer to develop than Rhapsody as OpenStep on Mach. This time to market factor is why Mach was chosen, I believe. Due to ignorance, I have no opinion on the relative purely technical merits of Mach vs. NuKernel. -- John Norstad <mailto:j-norstad@nwu.edu> <http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/jln/>
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 08:13:08 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: tokarek@students.uiuc.edu In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> it appeared that Ryan Tokarek wrote: > On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > In <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> it appeared that Joaquin > > Menchaca wrote: > > > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott > > > Hess) wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > > This is very well said. That was my original concern about the decision > > > about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I > > > think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, > > > but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best > > > of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > No, no. You haven't a clue. > > _Every_ process was to be protected under Copland with NuKernel. The > collection of tasks that ran as one large task (the compatibility box) and > was run internally with cooperative multitasking was protected (CMT > because of the continued use of a non-reentran GUI). No OS task nor any > other task could read from or write to anything in the compatibility box. [munch] > You were mistaken. Although you are technically correct in the strictest sense, when you say that every process would have had protected memory, you offer a misleading claim about the worthiness of Copland and the NuKernel, and fail to acknowledge the ugly truth: Copland would have forced <ALL> ordinary user applications, even brand spanking new ones for MacOS 8, to reside in the same memory space. Only apps specially written could get their own memory space, and the only apps eligible for such special treatment were those without a GUI. Who thought that was a good idea? Who in the hell thought <that> was a good idea? I don't even know <who> thought <that> was a good idea. Although I am perhaps guilty of being a bit inflammatory, I am nonetheless right. You are defending the (indefensible) technological equivalent of Windows 95, which as you probably know is a horrible, unstable, hunk of junk. Copland would have been just like it. I am *sooo* glad that usenet is not deciding the architecture of Rhapsody. Popular vote in Mac.advocacy would have picked: <> NuKernel <> Punt UNIX (in favor of what? nobody ever said) <> MacOS GUI (long may it wither) <> GX (punt DPS) <> Open Transport <> The MacOS filesystem Now, this looks like Pink/Taligent/Copland, to me: Over 5 years. Nearly 1/2 a billion dollars. Still no OS. In the meantime, NeXT delivered to market several iterations of a rock-solid modern operating system, and premier developer tools, which had all the features that both Apple and Microsoft failed to produce. Apple has finally caught a bout of the clue, in buying NeXT and making good use of the NeXT technology & talent. I only wish they had merged two years ago. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 07:04:21 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5em5pl$3eu@news.platinum.com> References: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <AF3392D0-8B354@198.68.42.175> Cc: english@primenet.com In <AF3392D0-8B354@198.68.42.175> it appeared that "Lawson English" wrote: > Gary W. Longsine <gary-nospam-@screaming.org> said: >> > >Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > >a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for > certain, > >"special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > No, only "special" processes would NOT be protected: those that were > sitting in the Blue Box. Bzzzt! Thank you for playing, Contestant Two! Tell him about the consolation prize, Bob! Our second contestant will receive, as consolation for playing, and losing, "You Bet Your Mission Critical Custom Application" -- two quotations! These bits of knowledge hail from chapter 3, (Address Spaces and Memory Protection), of the detailed, well-written, Copland-friendly and authoritative description of the mercifully killed Copland project -- "MacOS 8 Revealed: A Technical Tour of the New Mac OS", published by Apple Press, written by Tony Francis... " Our contestant will also be given a small box, with an ant in it, and some left-over pizza that we have back-stage... "MacOS 8 assigns all cooperative programs to a shared address space. [...] These applications, by the way, are cooperative programs because they present a human interface." and later in the chapter... "If you're a developer, you can begin preparing to take advantage of multiple address spaces by determining whether some portion of your product benefits from the extra protection afforded by a separate address space. If so, you should plan to implement this portion as a server program." The dirty little secret of MacOS 8 was that, under Copland's NuKernel, [x] All ordinary applications (not just System 7 apps), by default, run in what we now think of as the "Blue Box" -- a single address space, where they are free to trample each other. [x] All applications with a GUI interface <MUST> swim in the community memory pool. [x] As a developer, you must go out of your way to design server processes for applications that, "could benefit" from protected memory [x] Even Windows NT has a better memory protection architecture than that I stand by my proposition that, were I the highly paid Sr. VP at Apple in charge of Copland, sitting in a room with a bunch of engineers who described this kind of architecture to me, as the foundation of our new <modern> OS, I would have fired the idiots on the spot. I normally don't get quite this harsh, but really folks, there is not much room for argument here. Copland, kernel and all, was fundamentally mis-architected, and even if there exist interesting ideas in the project, it is very doubtful that any of the actual code will ever be of use to anyone writing a modern OS. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: fucuco@hamlet.net (Good Friend) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:30:13 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.330d7930.6000913@news.uoknor.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <330d7930.6000913@news.uoknor.edu> Control: cancel <330d7930.6000913@news.uoknor.edu> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Fri Feb 21 15:14:41 1997 Original subject was: Learn to Make $$$FAST CASH$$$ With Honest Work
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:01:15 -0600 From: PhenixPhir@aol.com Subject: found '040 nextstep pizzabox need help Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <856626940.21138@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service found '040 nextstep pizzabox for $200 with monitor and stuff but the person who donated it did not leave a password or forgot it what do i do intall the system again and if so where do i get a copy of the system Replay at PhenixPhir@aol.com Thanx Phoenix Phyre -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 14:35:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF33668D-114FF@198.68.42.182> References: <5ejfuf$ae2@news4.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: [on my citing Webster's 3rd International] >In the states, the authority is likely to be the 9th or newer >version. yar, but I picked up the entire 3 volume set for $25, so I'm willing to put up with a few obsolete definitions... --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:56:20 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > it appeared that Ryan Tokarek wrote: > > On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > > > it appeared that Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > > > > shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for > > > certain, "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > > > > No, no. You haven't a clue. > > > > _Every_ process was to be protected under Copland with NuKernel. The > > collection of tasks that ran as one large task (the compatibility box) and > > was run internally with cooperative multitasking was protected (CMT > > because of the continued use of a non-reentran GUI). No OS task nor any > > other task could read from or write to anything in the compatibility box. > > [munch] > > > You were mistaken. > > Although you are technically correct in the strictest sense, when you say > that every process would have had protected memory, you offer a misleading > claim about the worthiness of Copland and the NuKernel, and fail to > acknowledge the ugly truth: I was not defending Copland, but NuKernel. > Copland would have forced <ALL> ordinary user applications, even brand > spanking new ones for MacOS 8, to reside in the same memory space. Only apps > specially written could get their own memory space, and the only apps > eligible for such special treatment were those without a GUI. That's what I said... it looks like you only read my first paragraph and ignored (and cut out) the rest. <snip rant> > Although I am perhaps guilty of being a bit inflammatory, I am nonetheless > right. No, you are fundamentally wrong. Had you actually read my full post, you would have seen that. You are correct that Copland put all applications that required use of the GUI in a single shared memory space, but to the kernel that was just to be a single process (task... whatever). Internal to the compatibility box, there was a scheduler that decided which task (internal to the compatibility box mind you) would be next to take processor time. This had nothing to do with NuKernel. The compatibility box task was to have the third highest priority (below real time and below certain OS tasks) for preemptive scheduling with other tasks. The compatability box ***was protected from other tasks***. It was one segment of protected memory. Is this getting clearer? The issue with "partial protected memory" in Copland was not due to a kernel limitation. It was an inherant design limitation due to the fact that Apple wanted to retain it's non-reentrant GUI and a shared adddress space for applications that made use of it. Apple could have used any kernel for Copland. They could have used Mach 2.5 They decided to write their own kernel (NuKernel). That there is an arguement over this is because _you_ do not understand what was supposed to be happening. You are mistaken. > You are defending the (indefensible) technological equivalent of > Windows 95, which as you probably know is a horrible, unstable, hunk of junk. > Copland would have been just like it. I am *sooo* glad that usenet is not > deciding the architecture of Rhapsody. Read my words, and understand. I AM NOT DEFENDING COPLAND!!!!!!!!! The technical issues with using NuKernel for Rhapsody are not what you think they are. You have misunderstood a fundamental concept here. > Popular vote in Mac.advocacy would have picked: > > <> NuKernel There _are_ technical reasons not to use NuKernel, but they aren't the ones you think they are. > <> Punt UNIX (in favor of what? nobody ever said) No, don't get rid of Unix entirely. Make it so that it's availlable, but not necessary. <small snip> > <> Open Transport What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? > <> The MacOS filesystem Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated partitions and disks as well. Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abosse@midway.uchicago.edu (arno bosse) Subject: 4.2 User - release date? Message-ID: <E60n01.1r4@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: The University of Chicago Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:48 GMT Now that the 4.2 Dev. PR1 release notes have been posted, I wonder if anyone has heard something about the release date. I'm really not all that interested in features/improvements - its just that I don't want to have to justify the purchase of two academic bundles within a few months of each other (4.1 now, 4.2 in the summer (?)). $600 (two bundles) may not sound like a lot to those of you who don't have the option of buying academic - but at a time when anything that has a whiff of...say, "golden delicious" causes mild hysteria amongst the "powers that be" in higher -education, one has to careful. Wouldn't want to be stuck with the knowledge of good and evil, now would we? ;-) arno
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:43:11 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF3392D0-8B354@198.68.42.175> References: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. Longsine <gary-nospam-@screaming.org> said: > >Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before >a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, >"special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > No, only "special" processes would NOT be protected: those that were sitting in the Blue Box. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:40:30 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > In <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> it appeared that Joaquin > Menchaca wrote: > > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott > > Hess) wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > This is very well said. That was my original concern about the decision > > about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I > > think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, > > but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best > > of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. No, no. You haven't a clue. _Every_ process was to be protected under Copland with NuKernel. The collection of tasks that ran as one large task (the compatibility box) and was run internally with cooperative multitasking was protected (CMT because of the continued use of a non-reentran GUI). No OS task nor any other task could read from or write to anything in the compatibility box. (The plan for Copland was to be much like Windows95... it was to be an interim OS to get users up to a level so that a major OS transition could take place with a relative minimum of fuss that the user would have to go through... their goal was too hard to implement in a timely fashion it seems.) Because Apple wished to retain backwards compatibility with System 7 applications, because Apple didn't want to make the GUI reentrant at the time, and because older apps expected a flat memory model, Apple decided to go with a compatibility box. This was to be one large segment of protected memory that ran the GUI and applications that required the use of the GUI (System 7 and the main portions of Mac OS 8 apps). The tasks running inside the compatibility box were to have very limited memory protection from each other (all code would have been protected). This was because, to the kernel, the compatibility box was just one task, one segment of protected memory. NuKernel had full protected memory with preemptive multitasking and SMP for all tasks. People only call it partial protected memory and PMT because of issues with the internals of the compatibility box. I'm not really defending Apple. They fiddled and diddled with Copland too long, but their problems were not with the kernel... they had problems implementing backwards compatibility in that fashion. As far as I know, there was nothing in particular that was wrong with NuKernel (except prehaps that it wasn't as well tested like Mach 2.5 has been). You were mistaken. Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu>
From: allman@pat.mdc.com (Mark Allman ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (Repost) Shared object libraries (rld) using OpenStep 4.1 Date: 21 Feb 1997 23:07:38 GMT Organization: McDonnell Douglas, Houston Division Message-ID: <5el9rq$21v@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov> References: <5ef797$m78@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov> OpenStep 4.1 for Mach question: Some C code I'm compiling and putting into a shared object library (via ld -r) for later dynamic loading (using rld) is now refusing to be loaded. I've begged and pleaded, but to no avail. The error I'm now getting is something like "cannot use rld with dynamic shared libraries." Since all the "standard" libraries (e.g., libsys_s.dylib) are now dynamic shared libraries, are the rld routines no longer usable? I can switch to use dyld routines and use libtool--is this what I should do? Can someone point to some documentation (man pages aren't telling the complete story) that discusses rld routines under OpenStep 4.1? Also, I noticed that we can no longer build static executables, since there are no static "standard" libraries. Try compiling the "Hello, world" program using the -static compile/link switch. -- Mark Allman -- Sr. Engineer, McDonnell Douglas Aerospace, allman@pat.mdc.com -- Software consulting (Perl, C, Python, ...), ghost@ghost.neosoft.com -- (see: http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/5857.html)
From: "Christian Jensen" <chrsjensen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.3 install problem. Date: 22 Feb 1997 20:08:15 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <01bc20fb$e541b4e0$85c992cf@default> NeXT gurus-- I am trying to install NS 3.3 on my Intel computer for the first time and have run into the following snag. Since I am new to NS, I may be overlooking something simple. The install goes fine until I load the SCSI adapter and HD controller drivers. No matter which I choose, when NS attempts to start after loading the drivers I get the following messages: (...a variety of normal, non-error messages, followed by...) Adaptec 2940: Can't get Configspace; ABORTING Registering: event0 Registering kmDevice0 No SCSI controller or CD-ROM device found use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d, en%d, or tr%d root device? Anything I type here gives me a "system panic" message. I then must reboot. I have an Adaptec 2940UW SCSI interface on my system, and according to my Win95 device manager my SCSI adapter is an Adaptec AIC 7880 PCI SCSI controller, and my HD controller is an Intel PIIX PCI IDE controller. I have a TEAC 6x SCSI CD-ROM drive. Judging by what I read on the NeXTAnswers page about the Adaptec 2940 driver included in the Drivers diskette, it should work. However, it doesn't. Any suggestions? Thanks for any help you can provide. --Chris Jensen
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 00:14:58 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> Cc: jm041536@fhda.edu In <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> it appeared that Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott > Hess) wrote: > > > > > Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels are > > coming into their own because we are asking entirely too much of our > > monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes to add something > > new to your monolithic kernel is often so great that you never get > > around to it - and thus a microkernel can be more efficient in the > > end. In essence, using a microkernel lets you get to a better design > > for the system faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. Which says nothing about the <size> of the kernel. What everyone seems to forget is that <size> isn't everything. Microkernels are best defined in terms of how the kernel design is abstracted -- not the size of the binary. If several different parts, properly abstracted, are compiled into the same binary, you really have a hybrid micro-monolith kernel -- which is what damned near every vendor is shipping today. Like NeXT, they are all using dynamically loaded device drivers, but the core OS server is compiled into the same binary with the microkernel. > This is very well said. That was my original concern about the decision > about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I > think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, > but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best > of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.3 install problem. Date: 23 Feb 1997 04:01:49 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5eoffd$fmo@news.next.com> References: <01bc20fb$e541b4e0$85c992cf@default> "Christian Jensen" <chrsjensen@worldnet.att.net> writes > The install goes fine until I load the SCSI adapter and HD controller > drivers. No matter which I choose, when NS attempts to start after > loading the drivers I get the following messages: > > (...a variety of normal, non-error messages, followed by...) > Adaptec 2940: Can't get Configspace; ABORTING > Registering: event0 > Registering kmDevice0 > No SCSI controller or CD-ROM device found > use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d, en%d, or tr%d > root device? Sometimes this message is a result of having a PCI card and an ISA card set to the same interrupt. You might need to change something in the CMOS setup to reserve an IRQ for the PCI device. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:32:11 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, you're no better than Lawson English... (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" processes...) -Mark ---> markeaton_@_mindspring_._com
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: can't get prefferences to work Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 15:47:27 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <330F5B5F.9C8@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown I run NS 3.2 on an 040 cube and i cant seem to get the preferences to work. whenever i click on the icon the drive spins for a few seconds and then nothing. this started when i installed ns 3.2. any ideas? -Greg
From: sugawara@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 22 Feb 1997 08:20:42 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Message-ID: <5ema8q$5e8$1@news.sas.ab.ca> References: <5ed479$ctm@mozart.jlc.net> The Rev. James David Meacham (jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net) wrote: : I really do love my color turbo. Problem is, whenever I try to reboot : it or shut it down, it hangs, necessitating a break to the ROM : monitor, and a 'bsd' from there. I'd like to skip this,. Does any : know why it might do this? Thanks in advance. Peace, : James There may be a process which is refusing to die. You may try to find out if that is the case by verifying if it's a daemon process (system programs that waits for a specific event to occur on the NeXT) by powering up the machine, and trying to shut it down once the login box appears. If it does power down ok, you are probably using a program as a user which refuses to die. Otherwise, try powering up in single user mode, and then try to power down. It's been a while since I've done this, but I believe it's "bsd -s" off the ROM monitor. If you are able to power down at this point, there is a program being launched from an rc file (/etc/rc, /etc/rc.boot, /etc/rc.local) which is hanging. Try to log in remotely into your machine as root, and kill each root process except your login shell, from the largest PID to the smallest (because killing pid 1, which is the init process is a fast way of getting unix to reboot). Standard disclaimers apply. -- /**************************************************************************/ Masahiko (Sam) Sugawara email: sugawara@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP: Network NeXT to a Dell Pentium PC Date: 23 Feb 1997 00:16:20 GMT Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet <info@cais.com> Message-ID: <5eo28k$o6m@news2.cais.com> References: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> <An3_jK_00iWQI8c6dE@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <An3_jK_00iWQI8c6dE@andrew.cmu.edu> [excellent answer deleted] Just a minor correction to Chuck's response. Only 68040 based NeXT hardware has both styles of Ethernet jacks. The original 68030 systems had 10-Base-2 only. Robert -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with station boot problem Date: 23 Feb 1997 00:55:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970223005400.TAA11992@ladder02.news.aol.com> I have a NeXTstation 8/105, ADB, NS 3.0, and there seems to be a strange thing happening occasionally when I boot the machine. The system starts booting bsd, then a line (sometimes two) appears saying: sc: scintr program error the machine then starts up as normal. This doesn't affect the performance at all, I'm just curious what's going on. TIA, Joe Gidi
From: Kerry <bentonkr@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Newsgroups: comp.next.misc,comp.misc,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Apps. Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 04:01:12 -0600 Organization: Academic Computing and Information Services Message-ID: <330EC3E8.5AA5@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there have any idea if there is a web browser or any other cool stuff for the NeXT Box? It runs Mach 3.0. Thanks, Kerry
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Spot for another 040 chip in a cube for 2 processors Date: 22 Feb 1997 19:35:11 -0800 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5eodtf$7tn@slip.net> Hi, Does the standard mother board for a 040 25Mhz machine have a slot for an additional chip (procesor)? Is tweeking the OS required to get things set up? Thanks, Emmett
From: Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 23:37:34 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> On 22 Feb 1997, Michael Kagalenko wrote: > Ryan Tokarek (tokarek@students.uiuc.edu) wrote > ]<small snip> > ]> <> Open Transport > ] > ]What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? > > I don't. Perhpas, you could explain ? Is it yet another proprietary > standard ? As I understand it (and I do not know the details so people with more knowledge of OT step in here), OpenTransport provides a network-neutral API. Programs can use the various OT APIs to deal with networking, and they won't need to know which networking standard is being used (TCP/IP, IPX, AppleTalk, whatever). It adds a layer of abstraction that can be used to send infromation over any network with the app having to know the nature or details of the network. You can use OpenTransport to deal with specific details of a certain network protocol, but OpenTransport provides the tools to deal with any network (that OpenTransport is configured for) without the app having to know which one. Taking a look at the info on TCP for OpenTransport (in the Control Panel), it appears to be based on "Mentat Portable Streams" and "Mentat TCP"... if that's meaningful to you (it isn't to me). I don't know whether there is an equivalent in NeXTStep, but that's roughly what OpenTransport does. I don't know whether it would be advantageous to port it over to Rhapsody, but it it's the Mac's current networking API. > ]> <> The MacOS filesystem > ] > ]Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some > ]other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated > ]partitions and disks as well. > > OPENSTEP/Mach 4.1 for intel can access Apple fs, so it seems that > Rhapsody will do it by default. Great! That's what I thought, but Gary's post seemed to imply otherwise. Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu>
From: Shimpei Yamashita <shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 23:48:58 -0800 Organization: Hummingbird Heaven Message-ID: <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) writes: > > In <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> it appeared > that Mark Eaton wrote: > > In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary > > W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for > certain, > > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > > > > Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement > > like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, > > you're no better than Lawson English... > > That's a pretty low blow, especially since I've provided some pretty clear > documentation, from Copland-friendly sources, to back up my claim. It doesn't help when you misread documentations. You didn't read the white paper on the *microkernel*, did you? I have. > > (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" > > processes...) > > Wrong. Plainly, clearly, demonstrably, incontestably wrong. Ordinary > Copland applications, even brand new ones written for the Copeland OS, are > <required> to share the same memory pool -- not just the legacy System 7 apps > (as is the case with the new Blue Box.) Yes, and irrelevant. What the Copland OS was or was not supposed to be capable of is not directly applicable to what NuKernel (which is just the *microkernel* handling process creation and scheduling; Copland was to be a lot more than just that!). NuKernel was perfectly capable of hosting a completely protected, preemmptively multitasking OS; indeed, Gershwin (the "advanced" version of Copland that never happened) was supposed to use NuKernel. Copland was not capable of protecting all processes, but that isn't the microkernel's problem. Ragging NuKernel for Copland's problem is like implementing MS-DOS on top of Mach and blaming Mach for the horrible attributes of DOS.... I'm inclined to agree, actually, that Copland's OS design was fundamentally flawed. I was willing to live with it for a while as a stopgap measure, but never as a semipermanent solution. Again, irrelevant for deciding on the merits of NuKernel. -- Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.cco.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/> (Note: Currently experimenting with a new newsreader (gnus). Apologies in advance for malformed or spurious posts or replies.)
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 20:53:23 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> Cc: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com In <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> it appeared that Mark Eaton wrote: > In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary > W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > > Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement > like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, > you're no better than Lawson English... That's a pretty low blow, especially since I've provided some pretty clear documentation, from Copland-friendly sources, to back up my claim. > (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" > processes...) Wrong. Plainly, clearly, demonstrably, incontestably wrong. Ordinary Copland applications, even brand new ones written for the Copeland OS, are <required> to share the same memory pool -- not just the legacy System 7 apps (as is the case with the new Blue Box.) COMEDY BREAK: Tai-Kwon-Leap Master: Who disrupts our meditation as a pebble disturbs the pond? Tai-Kwon-Leap Student: Ooh! ooh! Me! Ed Gruberman! I'm so shocked at the tremendous waste of resources that went into the backward architecture of Copland that I tend to emote on the topic -- sorry. I just don't understand why anyone would spend almost half a billion dollars, and over 5 years on OS research (Pink, Taligent, Copland) and fail to grok something so basic as a rational protected memory scheme. (I also don't understand why people are so infatuated with a research kernel (Copland's NuKernel) that's never seen the production light of day and doesn't offer an improvement over kernels that I've been using for years... but that's another topic.) Again, I suggest that you check out the Apple Press book on Copland. It was written by folks friendly to the Copland project, and states in clear, matter-of-fact language how the OS was to work. "MacOS 8 Revealed: A Technical Tour of the New Mac OS", Tony Francis, ISBN 0-201-47955-9, Apple Press, August 1996. In the strictest technical sense, perhaps I was too harsh on the poor, defenseless little NuKernel, which is after all, only a sequence of ones and zeros on a plastic platter. The NuKernel itself might (in theory) allow protected memory for any process, if you worked out the Copland-specific stuff. -- but using NuKernel as the core of the NeXT OS would take rather a lot of work, for really zero gain. Anyway, nobody has yet offered proof that my general claim is incorrect. The designers of Copland wandered very far down an expensive and pointless track. They should have had their leashes jerked back long, long ago. If they had presented me with such a kludge two years ago, after hundreds of millions of dollars and three years wasted on Pink and Taligent, I would have fired them as being fundamentally incompetent. Period. Copland + NuKernel = No protected memory for ordinary applications. Under Copland, developers must take special steps to arrange for protected memory for "applications that could benefit" from it. The first, and very, very special, step is that one must hack the user interface out of the app. That means that all the problems Mac users have with the average user apps taking down other apps would still exist in Copland, with the minor enhancement that your kernel would still be running after your entire workspace crashes. As a user of a UNIX based OS, I don't have this problem. If I'm mistaken about this, then I apologize, I've been misled by the Apple documentation on their own project. However, the literature and discussion seems to leave little room for doubt (I'm not the only person supporting this claim). So the NuKernel was better than anything ever to run on a Mac before. Big deal. It's really no better than several kernels which have been running <in production> for several years: NeXT MachOS, Solaris, AIX, Linux, Windows NT. All of those production operating systems have kernels which are at least as good as NuKernel, and some are probably better in certain respects. They all have the advantage of having been actually <used> in production environments, and survived through several new versions. Now what about kernels that are much better than NuKernel? I'd say you have to go look at other research kernels, probably the real-time ones like RTMach, and BeOS. Maybe the distributed things like Plan9 and Inferno. Copland is dead. Long live the new MacOS (MachOS). /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Michael Kagalenko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 22:28:17 -0500 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Message-ID: <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/html Ryan Tokarek (tokarek@students.uiuc.edu) wrote in article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <pre><blink> ]<small snip> ]> <> Open Transport ] ]What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? I don't. Perhpas, you could explain ? Is it yet another proprietary standard ? ] ]> <> The MacOS filesystem ] ]Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some ]other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated ]partitions and disks as well. OPENSTEP/Mach 4.1 for intel can access Apple fs, so it seems that Rhapsody will do it by default. -- ABILITY,n. The natural equipment to accomplish some small part of the meaner ambitions distinguishing able men from dead ones. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
From: Jonathan Hendry <jon@steeldriving.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 02:52:04 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <330FF724.6302@steeldriving.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. Longsine wrote: > Anyway, nobody has yet offered proof that my general claim is incorrect. The > designers of Copland wandered very far down an expensive and pointless track. > They should have had their leashes jerked back long, long ago. If they had > presented me with such a kludge two years ago, after hundreds of millions of > dollars and three years wasted on Pink and Taligent, I would have fired them > as being fundamentally incompetent. Period. > > Copland + NuKernel = No protected memory for ordinary applications. I think it's more like Copland GUI = No protected memory for ordinary applications. My understanding is that non-GUI processes would run with all the benefits of a modern OS. Daemon-style things, drivers, etc. would be fine. That's a pretty tiny minority of the software though. The limiting factor there was apparently the GUI. If the GUI had been separated out into its own process, like NeXT's WindowServer, this probably wouldn't be a problem. Warning: Bad analogy ahead. Copland sounds like a combination of WorkspaceManager.app and the WindowServer. Copland applications with GUIs would be like threads spawned off of this mutant Workspace - no protected memory. Since only one WindowServer can run at a time, only one instance of this mutant app could run at a time. Non-GUI programs wouldn't be affected by this limitation.
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: cancel <330F33DC.79FD284E@screaming.org> Control: cancel <330F33DC.79FD284E@screaming.org> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:37:44 -0600 Organization: WaveFront Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <330F3CF8.7FF84FF5@screaming.org> References: <330F33DC.79FD284E@screaming.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.next.misc,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Apps. Date: 23 Feb 1997 04:02:00 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5eoffo$gin@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <330EC3E8.5AA5@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Cc: bentonkr@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu In <330EC3E8.5AA5@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Kerry wrote: > Does anyone out there have any idea if there is a web browser or any > other cool stuff for the NeXT Box? It runs Mach 3.0. > Thanks, > Kerry > Here are the main NeXT software archives: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next ftp://ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/ To get OmniWeb, a great Web browser, go to http://www.omnigroup.com/ It's great to see someone at Vanderbilt interested in NEXTSTEP. I used the Macs in the public cluster and the OS/2 PCs in the Med library there last summer, and it was very hard to get anything serious done. The Mac is going to have a whole new life soon... -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 18:37:36 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5ecstg$t67@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two applications > I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are nowhere to be seen whenever > I start both applications. The menus remain hidden the whole > time I use these apps. The only way I am able to see the menu > is by using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke that > I perchance might have used that caused the main menus from both > apps to remain invisible? How do I get back these menus? They wouldn't have moved due to a keystroke. You'd have had to drag them to the new position. The quickest way to get them back might be to: quit Edit and Mesa. open a unix shell in Terminal.app Enter the commands: dremove Edit NXMenuLocations dremove Mesa NXMenuLocations quit Terminal.app See if Edit and Mesa work better. There are some GUI interfaces to the defaults database, so you wouldn't need to bother with the Unix window, but I don't remember what they are. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 21:10:42 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqboi$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: tokarek@students.uiuc.edu In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> it appeared that Ryan Tokarek wrote: > On 22 Feb 1997, Michael Kagalenko wrote: [much] > > ]> <> The MacOS filesystem > > ] > > ]Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some > > ]other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated > > ]partitions and disks as well. > > > > OPENSTEP/Mach 4.1 for intel can access Apple fs, so it seems that > > Rhapsody will do it by default. > > Great! That's what I thought, but Gary's post seemed to imply otherwise. I did mention something about this.. I think it was in another thread... where I said: ||> The MacOS filesystem will be supported by Rhapsody for dual-boot systems, but ||> it will not be the primary filesystem. The MacOS filesystem will, in time, ||> go the way of the Dodo. I didn't mention that NeXTSTEP already supports read/write/format of DOS and MacIntosh floppies, and read/write for DOS filesystems, so Rhapsody will probably offer something similar for PowerMac users. There area also third-party utilities which support several (over a dozen) filesystem types under NeXTSTEP/OpenStep. I think there is a free one (still being developed?) based on work done originally for Linux, and called "vmount" but I may be mistaken on the details here. This utility will probably be maintained, and I would expect that eventually you'll be able to read/write to Linux, MacOS, and BeOS filesystems from Rhapsody, on your quad-boot PowerMac... (MacOS support will be built-in, the others will probably be available from a free or inexpensive utility). pretty cool, eh? Intel users should be able to read/write to Linux, BeOS, NT, OS/2, and possibly other filesystem types as well, with a third-party utility of this type. Anyway, continued support for the MacOS filesystem will be a part of Rhapsody -- when running Rhapsody you will be able to read/write to your MacOS filesytem on a dual-boot machine. (Probably not the other way around, though.) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:13:28 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Cc: shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu In <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> it appeared that Shimpei Yamashita wrote: > gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) writes: [StuffGaryWrote munch]; In this week's exciting continuation of our story, Gary will say, "...NuKernel is the be-all and end-all of kernel design". And now, let's rejoin our story, already in progress... > It doesn't help when you misread documentations. You didn't read the > white paper on the *microkernel*, did you? I have. OK. I concede. And I'd love to read one, by the way. You wouldn't happen to have a URL handy, would you? The work I did read was oriented to the Copland MacOS8 as a whole, and so it seems likely that I incorrectly interpreted the ability of the bare NuKernel, due to excessive extrapolation from limited information. > Yes, and irrelevant. What the Copland OS was or was not supposed to be > capable of is not directly applicable to what NuKernel (which is just the > *microkernel* handling process creation and scheduling; Copland was to be > a lot more than just that!). NuKernel was perfectly capable of hosting a > completely protected, preemmptively multitasking OS; indeed, Gershwin (the > "advanced" version of Copland that never happened) was supposed to use > NuKernel. Copland was not capable of protecting all processes, but that > isn't the microkernel's problem. Ragging NuKernel for Copland's problem is > like implementing MS-DOS on top of Mach and blaming Mach for the horrible > attributes of DOS.... It also seems, given the years-long, never-ending research nature of the Apple OS project, almost as likely that the Gershwin version of the NuKernel (a gleam on a whiteboard?) would have required significant development beyond the Copland version of the kernel, in order to actually and for real, support a modern OS. NuKernel's suitability for a modern OS really is very dependant on how it was implemented, and how far along that implementation really was. I doubt that NuKernel is the be-all and end-all of kernel design, and I really doubt if the implementation was ready from prime-time. Did they cut any corners, because they knew it would be years before the hosted OS actually tried to use certain features? Probably not, from what you say. > I'm inclined to agree, actually, that Copland's OS design was > fundamentally flawed. I was willing to live with it for a while as > a stopgap measure, but never as a semipermanent solution. Again, > irrelevant for deciding on the merits of NuKernel. Now for the 5-year, 1/2 billion dollar question: If NuKernel design was abstracted correctly, and it was implemented well enough to host a modern OS complete with protected memory, etc., why, then, is the architecture of Copland so horribly broken that it can't offer protected memory to GUI applications, even though the kernel would allow it? Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive the final nail in Apple's coffin? You see, I'm sure, that I'll be wearing an asbestos suit for quite a while, regardless of whether (as seems likely) new information will cause me to change my mind about exactly which parts of Copland were responsible for its horrible brokenness. 8^) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: boshons@seanet .com(Boshon Sprague) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:43:30 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Message-ID: <5eqh6i$bf7@q.seanet.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> Let me step out on a limb here and comment on the fact that we apparently have a large number of unemployed microkernel designers posting. I was at one of many next PR sessions where a (somewhat) noted OO jornalist tried to nail down a OS point with the Nexter doing the session, something like this: Press : I dont see the benfits in your presentation of the (mach) OS perfomace issue with object communication. Nexter : This is the best overall solution for 99% of the performance issuse. Press : You don't really understand what OS issues exist (outside of next (M$)) Next : What is your background in OS design? Press : None.... Nexter : I personnaly hold over 25 specific patents in OS design in my careeer before next, and i feel this is THE BEST system overall ever. Press : But how?.... Nexter : Must be the pretzels. once again, Listen to my words, dont worry we are going to get ALL of the good technology That can be stuffed into this new apple pie. Boshon
From: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 15:18:51 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> In article <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > And I'd love to read one, by the way. You wouldn't happen to have a URL > handy, would you? Hmm. I looked around on the OS Home page, <http://www.macos.apple.com/>, but I couldn't find it. (That is where I have read the white paper in the past.) > It also seems, given the years-long, never-ending research nature of the > Apple OS project, almost as likely that the Gershwin version of the NuKernel > (a gleam on a whiteboard?) would have required significant development beyond > the Copland version of the kernel, in order to actually and for real, support > a modern OS. NuKernel's suitability for a modern OS really is very dependant > on how it was implemented, and how far along that implementation really was. > I doubt that NuKernel is the be-all and end-all of kernel design, and I > really doubt if the implementation was ready from prime-time. Did they cut > any corners, because they knew it would be years before the hosted OS > actually tried to use certain features? Probably not, from what you say. > Gary, its maddening trying to carry on an amicable conversation with someone when they go out of their way to be adversarial. Thats the main reason Lawson is in my killfile. > Now for the 5-year, 1/2 billion dollar question: If NuKernel design was > abstracted correctly, and it was implemented well enough to host a modern OS > complete with protected memory, etc., why, then, is the architecture of > Copland so horribly broken that it can't offer protected memory to GUI > applications, even though the kernel would allow it? Because there exist companies like Microsoft. That base their top-selling Office software on OLE for Macintosh. OLE peeks into the heaps of other processes. It does stuff like walk the (private) window lists of those processes. It modifies the (private, read-only) visible and clipping structures of those processes. It pokes holes in their clipping structures. All so OLE client processes can draw content that looks 'embedded' in the fore-process. And Copland's goal was to run all that crap and provade as many buzz-word OS features as possible to those apps. Thats the main reason it failed. > Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" > MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so > hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive > the final nail in Apple's coffin? Copland failed for a number of reasons. None of them related to NuKernel. As far as the GUI goes, you can't really be so naiive, can you? A GUI is just a pattern of bits on-screen. 'Porting' the Mac GUI really means using whatever graphics API Rhapsody ends up using to draw windows, controls, etc. according the the Apple advanced look-n-feel. Or, hopefully, abstracting the look-n-feel into an Appearance Manager so that it is more flexible. In either case, the look of the GUI has nothing to do with the kernel, the re-entrancy of the graphics system, memory protection, or anything else brought up in this thread. And a nail in Apple's coffin? Oh please... Get a clue and cut the FUD... > > You see, I'm sure, that I'll be wearing an asbestos suit for quite a while, > regardless of whether (as seems likely) new information will cause me to > change my mind about exactly which parts of Copland were responsible for its > horrible brokenness. Uhh huh. You wouldn't get flamed so much if you toned your attitude down a notch... -Mark ---> markeaton_@_mindspring_._com
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:27:33 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Message-ID: <j-norstad-2302971727330001@legume186169.nuts.nwu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> In article <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" > MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so > hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive > the final nail in Apple's coffin? In Rhapsody, the old non-reentrant MacOS GUI API and window drawing and display management architecture will only live in the "blue box" compatibilty part of the system, where unmodified old System 7 applications will run. In the "yellow box" part of Rhapsody, there will be an entirely different reentrant GUI API and window and display management architecture - NeXT's OpenStep application kit framework classes and display postcript. In Rhapsody, preemptively scheduled memory protected apps running in the yellow box will be able to draw on the screen and interact with the user. This wasn't the case in Copland. This is the big difference. The look and feel of Rhapsody's GUI is reportedly supposed to be Mac-like, with many improvements, including perhaps some from NeXTSTEP. This will all be based on top of the new OpenStep and display postcript model, however, not on top of the old System 7 APIs. None of this has anything do with the Mach vs. NuKernel issue. Make sense now? -- John Norstad <mailto:j-norstad@nwu.edu> <http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/jln/>
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 24 Feb 1997 00:22:04 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqmvc$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Cc: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com In <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> it appeared that Mark Eaton wrote: > > And I'd love to read one, by the way. You wouldn't happen to have a URL > > handy, would you? > > Hmm. I looked around on the OS Home page, <http://www.macos.apple.com/>, > but I couldn't find it. (That is where I have read the white paper in the > past.) Thanks for looking. > Gary, its maddening trying to carry on an amicable conversation with > someone when they go out of their way to be adversarial. Thats the main > reason Lawson is in my killfile. And thanks for being patient with me, Mark, I'll try to behave. I'm really *not* trying to compete with Lawson. I am simply flabbergasted at the sheer volume of anti-Mach FUD that gets spread here, much of it in the guise of, "The NuKernel was perfect, Apple is stupid for going with a ten year old kernel like Mach." As I'm sure you know, I've been patiently posting non-inflammatory, accurate, and helpful information, since the day of the merger, as to the merits of Mach (and other NeXT bits), and why Apple should adopt OpenStep, "lock, stock, and MachOS", as I've said several times, and they have now done. Last week, as an experiment, I decided to attack Copland and NuKernel head-on, in an effort to shake up the debate a little, and try to gain some ground. I read up in the best source I could find, and opened fire. The only bit I regret is the "crock of sh*t" line. That one really upset people, and I hereby apologize for the inflammatory nature of that remark. By and large, the remainder of my contributions on this topic have been civil, honest, and display a willingness to learn from the views expressed by others (like you) who are able to support their opinions with rational analysis and credible sources. And just in case you've misinterpreted my posts today as sarcasm, let me re-iterate that I have in fact conceded on the fundamental point of contention: It seems that the NuKernel itself probably isn't fundamentally flawed with respect to its handling of protected memory, as I originally claimed. This defect seems to have been introduced by other elements of Copland which lie outside NuKernel. Now, can't I have a little fun with the concession, too? I mean, it really doesn't change the fact that Copland's design is horribly broken... > > Now for the 5-year, 1/2 billion dollar question: If NuKernel design was > > abstracted correctly, and it was implemented well enough to host a modern OS > > complete with protected memory, etc., why, then, is the architecture of > > Copland so horribly broken that it can't offer protected memory to GUI > > applications, even though the kernel would allow it? > Because there exist companies like Microsoft. That base their top-selling > Office software on OLE for Macintosh. OLE peeks into the heaps of other > processes. It does stuff like walk the (private) window lists of those > processes. It modifies the (private, read-only) visible and clipping > structures of those processes. It pokes holes in their clipping > structures. All so OLE client processes can draw content that looks > 'embedded' in the fore-process. This really is a bummer, and I hadn't thought of the implications of the Office suite on the OS design. You are right, of course. Micro$oft, of course, could always decline to migrate the popular Office applications to a new MacOS which had a different architecture and didn't allow these awful things to happen to a process. That would be somewhat bad for Apple, possibly so bad even that Apple might have feared it would be world-ending. OpenStep has changed all that, though. Rhapsody might wind up producing applications that are so cool that nobody *cares* if Office is available on the PowerMac or not. And that, I'm sure, we all agree on. > > Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" > > MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so > > hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive > > the final nail in Apple's coffin? > > Copland failed for a number of reasons. None of them related to NuKernel. > As far as the GUI goes, you can't really be so naive, can you? No, I'm not. I was just having fun with that one. Probably too much fun. Sorry. > A GUI is > just a pattern of bits on-screen. 'Porting' the Mac GUI really means using > whatever graphics API Rhapsody ends up using to draw windows, controls, > etc. according the the Apple advanced look-n-feel. Or, hopefully, > abstracting the look-n-feel into an Appearance Manager so that it is more > flexible. In either case, the look of the GUI has nothing to do with the > kernel, the re-entrancy of the graphics system, memory protection, or > anything else brought up in this thread. Yes, I think it's most likely that many of the advanced features from NeXT, Copland, and other Apple and NeXT research will be incorporated into a new Rhapsody GUI that is wonderful and happy. It will have so many compelling cool things that it will be attractive to MacOS, NeXTSTEP, OS/2, Windows and Windows95 users. That is the cool part of all this. We all get a modern OS with lots of cool new toys that isn't crushed under the M$ hegemony. I'm already planning to buy a PowerMac to run it on. I believe that Apple should be rewarded for doing the right thing (and mostly I loathe PCs.) Peace, /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 23:42:30 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqkl6$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> <5eqh6i$bf7@q.seanet.com> Cc: boshons@seanet .com Must be the pretzels... I'll have to remember that... ;^) /gary In <5eqh6i$bf7@q.seanet.com> it appeared that Boshon Sprague wrote: > Let me step out on a limb here and comment on the fact that we apparently > have a large number of unemployed microkernel designers posting. I was at one > of many next PR sessions where a (somewhat) noted OO jornalist tried to nail > down a OS point with the Nexter doing the session, something like this: > > Press : I dont see the benfits in your presentation of the (mach) OS > perfomace issue with object communication. > > Nexter : This is the best overall solution for 99% of the performance issuse. > > Press : You don't really understand what OS issues exist (outside of next > (M$)) > > Next : What is your background in OS design? > > Press : None.... > > Nexter : I personnaly hold over 25 specific patents in OS design in my > careeer before next, and i feel this is THE BEST system overall ever. > > Press : But how?.... > > Nexter : Must be the pretzels. > > > once again, Listen to my words, dont worry we are going to get ALL of the > good technology That can be stuffed into this new apple pie. > > Boshon > -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 97 21:24:56 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb22212456@howard.one.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> In-reply-to: gary-nospam-@screaming.org's message of 22 Feb 1997 00:14:58 GMT In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) writes: > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, > shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > > Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels > > are coming into their own because we are asking entirely too > > much of our monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes > > to add something new to your monolithic kernel is often so > > great that you never get around to it - and thus a microkernel > > can be more efficient in the end. In essence, using a > > microkernel lets you get to a better design for the system > > faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. Which says nothing about the <size> of the kernel. What everyone seems to forget is that <size> isn't everything. Microkernels are best defined in terms of how the kernel design is abstracted -- not the size of the binary. If several different parts, properly abstracted, are compiled into the same binary, you really have a hybrid micro-monolith kernel -- which is what damned near every vendor is shipping today. Like NeXT, they are all using dynamically loaded device drivers, but the core OS server is compiled into the same binary with the microkernel. Actually, I'd argue size comes into play, too, if only indirectly. If the vendor does things in microkernel terms internally, but turns around and compiles everything into a monolithic kernel for the outside world, most of the functionality is lost, at least to the outside world. The power of a microkernel isn't so much that it lets the _vendor_ make changes easily, though that's nice. The power of microkernels should be that it lets outside programmers add their own pagers, filesystems, and whatnot, without having to do High And Mighty Black Magic to accomplish it. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: akac@mail.utexas.edu (Alex Kac) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:13:42 -0600 Organization: WI Message-ID: <akac-ya02408000R2302972113420001@newshost.cc.utexas.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: : In <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> it appeared : that Mark Eaton wrote: : > In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary : > W. Longsine) wrote: : > : > > : > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before : > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for : certain, : > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. : > : > Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement : > like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, : > you're no better than Lawson English... : : That's a pretty low blow, especially since I've provided some pretty clear : documentation, from Copland-friendly sources, to back up my claim. : : > (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" : > processes...) : : Wrong. Plainly, clearly, demonstrably, incontestably wrong. Ordinary : Copland applications, even brand new ones written for the Copeland OS, are : <required> to share the same memory pool -- not just the legacy System 7 apps : (as is the case with the new Blue Box.) : : COMEDY BREAK: : Tai-Kwon-Leap Master: Who disrupts our meditation as a pebble disturbs the : pond? : Tai-Kwon-Leap Student: Ooh! ooh! Me! Ed Gruberman! : : I'm so shocked at the tremendous waste of resources that went into the : backward architecture of Copland that I tend to emote on the topic -- sorry. : : I just don't understand why anyone would spend almost half a billion dollars, : and over 5 years on OS research (Pink, Taligent, Copland) and fail to grok : something so basic as a rational protected memory scheme. (I also don't : understand why people are so infatuated with a research kernel (Copland's : NuKernel) that's never seen the production light of day and doesn't offer an : improvement over kernels that I've been using for years... but that's another : topic.) : : Again, I suggest that you check out the Apple Press book on Copland. It was : written by folks friendly to the Copland project, and states in clear, : matter-of-fact language how the OS was to work. : : "MacOS 8 Revealed: A Technical Tour of the New Mac OS", Tony Francis, ISBN : 0-201-47955-9, Apple Press, August 1996. : Sir, this book and ALL the claims about are about the OS in general. After reading all of your posts, you obviously do not know a kernel based OS works. The NuKernal supported protected memory, SMP, threads, and pre-emptive multitasking. That is the kernel. Now how the actual OS (it sits atop the kernel) uses that kernel is a different matter. Apple could have used the AIX kernel and still had the same problem. The reason? Because the actual OS only used what it needed from the kernel. It told the kernel, I am setting up a protected memory partition for ALL apps, one for servers, and one for networking/OS things. The kernel obeyed. It is like have a whole yard of wood, nails, metal girders, construction workers, and all the supplies to build a skyscraper and only using what you need to build a small house. The kernel did provide full protected memory to weild however the OS asked it to. It just so happened that the Copland OS was going to give applications no protection.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702231957.OAA14110@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 14:57:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Spot for another 040 chip in a cube for 2 processors Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Original Date: 22 Feb 1997 19:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - > Does the standard mother board for a 040 25Mhz > machine have a slot for an additional chip > (procesor)? > > Is tweeking the OS required to get things set > up? Some (all?) cubes had the ability to use an additional board (NeXTDimension) but to improve the processor speed you'd need to get one of two boards (Pyro for non-turbo, Nitro for turbo, I believe) which are not readily available any more. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Daydream: Recognizing External Disks ? Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:10:02 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5epq4q$6b2@boursy.news.erols.com> Daydream Users: Hi. I'm trying, for the first time, to use a dedicated disk with DayDream, instead of just a disk file. Whatever I try, it never appears on the desktop. I've tried SCSI addresses 2,3, and 4. Note that the disk appears just fine in the NeXTstep workspace. Has anybody succeeded in using an external drive with DayDream? Is there some trick to it (other than enabling it in DayDream's SCSI preferences)? The disk is an old NeXTstep disk, which I reformatted to MacIntosh from the NeXTstep workspace. Do I need to format it on a real Mac? Should I be able to format it from within DayDream? Thanks for any help you can provide, Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 23 Feb 1997 17:52:47 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins Message-ID: <5eq05f$grn@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> Cc: johnh@madcow.dircon.co.uk > I've put a fair amount of time into scoping the amount of work > involved in porting some real applications onto OpenStep only > to find that the common classes List, HashTable etc all gone > from the OpenStep spec. > > Arrrrgh! List and HashTable could be re-implemented or borrowed from GNUStep. The issue that probably sealed their fate was reference counting. I think the HashTable functions are still in OpenStep. You will need to manage your own reference counts. > These where useful, tightly written classes that surely would > not have been to much effort to port to OpenStep (even inheriting > from NSObject( but no, we are told we must use the impossible to > subclass NSMutableDictionary and NSArray class clusters. They are not exacly impossible to subclass. > While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. > A char * can go along using dodgy features like a reference count at > (char *)string[-1]. EOF would be a good deal simpler and faster if > NSString hadn't been invented. Dates have loads of complex behaviour > and justify being a class strings are better kept as a datatype. Strings have loads of complex behavior and justify being a class. Of course, feel free to use char *s as much as you want. OpenStep is happy to accept char *s via [NSString stringWithCString:]. Just remember that OpenStep is based on reference counting. In NeXTstep, most of the string related methods HAD to copy their data to prevent memory errors. For example: when you used the -setTitle: method, you were often unnecessarily duplicating a string. Furthermore, when the string was something dynamic (like a file system path), more and more memory management issues came into play. If the string was distributed via DO, there were problems. The NSString class nicely encapsulates all of these issued and nearly eliminates all string related memory issues. NSStrings also provide an opportunity to use less overall memory by safely allowing immutable string sharing. Objective-C still has its roots in C. Nothing stops you from using char * or casting ints as pointers etc. It is just considered bad style (error prone!). Also "using dodgy features like a reference count at (char *)string[-1]" is extremely "dodgy!". This kind of game is exactly what encapsulation is meant to hide. How much memory should I allocate for a string intended for use by another object given your "spotty" reference count scheme ? What if I don't have access to the source code for the other objects ?
From: Ador Reodique <reodiqu@ibm.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.linux.networking Subject: Network NeXT and Linux: Please Help Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:11:45 -0700 Organization: At Javalina Dot Expresson Dot Org Message-ID: <33108861.23511B17@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am new to UNIX and networking, I need your help/recommend/advice... What I want to do: Network NeXT color station turbo and Linux x86. I want to network the two machines via ethernet so NeXT can use Linux resources (disks, tapes, modems, printers) and also connect to the internet when Linux is connected. Linux (2.0.28) connects to net via slip to my ISP (dynamic IP). Reading the networking HOWTO's, it seems possible by compiling firewalling and ip masquerading, but I am still a bit fuzzy...this is my first attempt at this :) At this point, I am still gathering some information, ie. 1. What ($30-40 range) ethernet card to buy for Linux that would work. I am looking at D-Link DE-220PCT PnP--any problem with this? How did you setup your system/kernel/driver for this if you have this card? 2. What configuration files did you modify in Linux, NeXT. Could you list it or please mail it to me? 3. If you have gone through this exercise before, specifically with the above configuration, please tell me how you did it. Thank you for your help. Ador
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Power Supply Replacement Date: 24 Feb 1997 07:23:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5erfld$a7t@agate.berkeley.edu> What's the name of the place in Hayward, CA where a guy like me can get a new power supply for my NeXT Turbo Station? IOW, what is the name of the company that took over Bell Atlantic's contract? And, is the only reason I've got to buy a power supply there so that it will fit inside the computer case? Why not any other power 'cheapo' power supply? :-) Any late nighters out there who can answer me by e-mail? I'd appreciate knowing since I'd like to handle this first thing tomorrow. How common is it for the power supply to fail in Black Stations? Thanks. (e-mail, please) John john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP News, Q&A Board written by Korean Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:12:45 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <33114D5C.6732@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "NEXTSTEP News, Q&A Board written by Korean" If you know Korean language, following WWW site will help you to use NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai Also, You can write your questions and Korean NeXT friends will help you. Thanks, younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP Q&A & Info Board written by Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: emerald.liu physics.utoronto.ca!liu (Wei Liu) Subject: cut&paste across workspace Keywords: cut paste workspace Message-ID: <E6346K.Ir4@info.physics.utoronto.ca> Sender: news@info.physics.utoronto.ca (System Administrator) Organization: University of Toronto - Dept. of Physics Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 01:59:07 GMT Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text info. to a local text editor. Thanks in advance. Wei
From: Piazza Talker 00000000 <piazza@soc.unl.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Spot for another 040 chip in a cube for 2 processors Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:51:07 +0000 Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Message-ID: <3311648B.2E7B@soc.unl.ac.uk> References: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - <199702231957.OAA14110@peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > > Does the standard mother board for a 040 25Mhz > > machine have a slot for an additional chip > > (procesor)? > Some (all?) cubes had the ability to use an additional board > (NeXTDimension) but to improve the processor speed you'd need to get > one of two boards (Pyro for non-turbo, Nitro for turbo, I believe) > which are not readily available any more. > > TjL Spherical Solutions at http://www.orb.com have Pyros... Pele -- Virtual Piazza telnet to zodiac.unl.ac.uk 3000 Talker based on nutsOO.2 by Predrag Balorda Admin team: Predrag Balorda,Hollie Keglovitz and Massimiliano Baki For more info please e-mail: piazza@zodiac.unl.ac.uk or piazza@soc.unl.ac.uk
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 21 Feb 1997 16:03:55 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5ekh1b$ph7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> humanist@interport.net (Michael Howard) wrote: >How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a >used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any >new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? Others have generally answered you about MABs, I'll add some more. NEXTSTEP 3.3 comes in two packages depending on which machine you get it for. One has the NeXT and Intel versions, the other has the HP and SPARC versions. The developer part of the relase (another CD) works on all four. In 4.1, the three (they don't do HP anymore) are all separate, I'm told. If you find old software on the archives, "MAB" might mean just NeXT and Intel. Ditto for commercial software. Mostly SPARC gets left out (because it's newest likely), which is trouble for me because that's what I do all my heavy work on. The latest version of Maple we have, for example, isn't compiled for SPARC (it was probably done under 3.2). If you have source for an old program, you can compile it yourself if you have a developer release. Depending on how old it is, it might need some work. Old binaries generally work (if compiled for your platform), but if you can find source, recompile them. I haven't tried running any really ancient software lately (and I've got lots of it- nova.cc.purdue.edu was on my desk when I worked at PUCC), but I wouldn't count on stuff from before 2.0 working on a machine running 3.x, and of course all of it is compiled black-only. :-) ab
From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power Supply Replacement Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:25:23 GMT Organization: [posted via] Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <5es1bj$pv@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <5erfld$a7t@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <5erfld$a7t@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes: > What's the name of the place in Hayward, CA where a guy like > me can get a new power supply for my NeXT Turbo Station? IOW, > what is the name of the company that took over Bell Atlantic's > contract? > > And, is the only reason I've got to buy a power supply there > so that it will fit inside the computer case? Why not any > other power 'cheapo' power supply? :-) > > Any late nighters out there who can answer me by e-mail? I'd > appreciate knowing since I'd like to handle this first thing > tomorrow. How common is it for the power supply to fail in > Black Stations? > > Thanks. (e-mail, please) > > John > john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu have a look at: http://www.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~heller/NeXT/power_supply.html hh -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail welcome_________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University | G i b D O S | Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group | k e i n e |
From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 24 Feb 1997 10:15:36 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <5erpo8$89j@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> <5eq05f$grn@castor.cca.rockwell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) wrote: > > [...] > > While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. > > A char * can go along using dodgy features like a reference count at > > (char *)string[-1]. EOF would be a good deal simpler and faster if > > NSString hadn't been invented. Dates have loads of complex behaviour > > and justify being a class strings are better kept as a datatype. > > Strings have loads of complex behavior and justify being a class. I can only second that. Just a simple example: Suppose you have a string which contains 50k characters. Say you want to insert 10 characters in the middle. How effeciently can you do that using C-Strings? Using a string class and some clever memory management you can do that in O(1) whithout even having to copy anything! Okay, this is just an example, but I can say that I've used NeXT's String and Data classes in a couple of projects involving biggish amounts of data and I was always positively suprised about the speed and the amount of optimisation that takes place behind the scenes. regards, erik -- Erik Dörnenburg OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft für Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH http://www.object-factory.com
From: doug@qnx.com (Doug Santry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 24 Feb 1997 09:23:30 -0500 Organization: QNX Software Systems Message-ID: <5es892$um@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>, Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> wrote: >On 22 Feb 1997, Michael Kagalenko wrote: > >> Ryan Tokarek (tokarek@students.uiuc.edu) wrote >> ]<small snip> >> ]> <> Open Transport >> ] >> ]What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? >> >> I don't. Perhpas, you could explain ? Is it yet another proprietary >> standard ? > >As I understand it (and I do not know the details so people with more >knowledge of OT step in here), OpenTransport provides a network-neutral >API. Programs can use the various OT APIs to deal with networking, and >they won't need to know which networking standard is being used (TCP/IP, >IPX, AppleTalk, whatever). It adds a layer of abstraction that can be >used to send infromation over any network with the app having to know >the nature or details of the network. > >You can use OpenTransport to deal with specific details of a certain >network protocol, but OpenTransport provides the tools to deal with any >network (that OpenTransport is configured for) without the app having to >know which one. > >Taking a look at the info on TCP for OpenTransport (in the Control >Panel), it appears to be based on "Mentat Portable Streams" and >"Mentat TCP"... if that's meaningful to you (it isn't to me). > >I don't know whether there is an equivalent in NeXTStep, but that's >roughly what OpenTransport does. I don't know whether it would be >advantageous to port it over to Rhapsody, but it it's the Mac's current >networking API. Why not the socket API? Would make porting lots 'o stuff easier and it is well known/documented. DJS
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 24 Feb 1997 18:28:45 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5esmkt$8db@news4.digex.net> References: <5ejfuf$ae2@news4.digex.net> <AF33668D-114FF@198.68.42.182> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: > [on my citing Webster's 3rd International] > >In the states, the authority is likely to be the 9th or newer > >version. > yar, but I picked up the entire 3 volume set for $25, so I'm > willing to put up with a few obsolete definitions... :) Good enough reason for me :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:06:10 -0500 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2402971306260001@199.166.204.230> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <5eqmvc$pfr@news.platinum.com> In article <5eqmvc$pfr@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > This really is a bummer, and I hadn't thought of the implications of the > Office suite on the OS design. You are right, of course. Micro$oft, of > course, could always decline to migrate the popular Office applications to a > new MacOS Mmm, I dunno. Contrary to what people seem to believe here, MS is indeed a customer driven company. They would have done office for a new Mac OS, they'd have to or face the screams of every Mac owner, and the feds along with them. Apple does have some power to wield here, in the form of "MS isn't support changes to our OS in an attempt to drive people off of it". > OpenStep has changed all that, though. Rhapsody might wind up producing > applications that are so cool that nobody *cares* if Office is available on > the PowerMac or not. The ones to convince are the MIS types who are completely convinced that if they load the same software onto the same machines and allow no others on their entire network, everything will just magically work and they'll know how to fix it when it breaks. This is of course a flawed theory, because OS's and applications are so immense today that it's impossible to learn everything there is to know about _two_ items in a lifetime, let alone the lifetime of the software/hardware which continues to shrink. So magnifying the issue with multiple platforms does basically nothing to the problem, but not doing so has serious repercussions on user efficiency (I believe it to be a truism that people should use the machine they get the most work done on) and flexibility (evolutionary theory). > Yes, I think it's most likely that many of the advanced features from NeXT, > Copland, and other Apple and NeXT research will be incorporated into a new > Rhapsody GUI that is wonderful and happy. It will have so many compelling > cool things that it will be attractive to MacOS, NeXTSTEP, OS/2, Windows and > Windows95 users. That is the cool part of all this. We all get a modern OS > with lots of cool new toys that isn't crushed under the M$ hegemony. And one that is already in use. Let us not forget the BeOS people, they are trying hard and I wish them the best of luck and fortunes. Maury
From: Pascal Forget <pascal@wsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Yamaha OPL3-SA2 Sound Card supported? Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:57:27 GMT Organization: WSC Investment Services, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5esvbn$r7r@cerberus.wsc.com> I just bought a Yamaha OPL3-SA2 FM Synthesizer / sound card. It has a Sound Blaster compatibility mode. Has anyone been successful in using this chip with OpenStep's Sound Blaster sound drivers? Thanks, Pascal Forget <pascal@wsc.com>
From: 3behrs@blazenet.net (Henry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PREFIXES FOR NEWS GROUPS Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:30:26 GMT Organization: Susquehanna Data Services Message-ID: <33123216.5211970@news.blazenet.net> I wonder if any one can tell me what the prefixes stand for in news groups..ie. alt. fido. fi. etc. Is there a printed list I can get for most of these.
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PREFIXES FOR NEWS GROUPS Date: 25 Feb 1997 02:15:20 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5ethvo$muj@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <33123216.5211970@news.blazenet.net> 3behrs@blazenet.net (Henry) wrote: > I wonder if any one can tell me what the prefixes stand for in news > groups..ie. alt. fido. fi. etc. Is there a printed list I can get > for most of these. alt. = *a*narchists, *l*unatics, and *t*errorists fido. = *f*ound the *I*nternet, *D*OS *o*wner? fi. = *f*ormerly *i*ncognito Hope that helps. Any reason why you posted this to c.s.n.misc? -----8<---8<---- If you cut here, you will ruin your monitor -----8<---8<---- /_ __/ _ __/(_)_)/ )/_/(_\ ... Joshua W. Burton jburton@nwu.edu (847)677-3902
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 25 Feb 1997 06:24:10 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5eu0ia$d69@duke.squonk.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > I just don't understand why anyone would spend almost half a > billion dollars, and over 5 years on OS research (Pink, Taligent, > Copland) and fail to grok something so basic as a rational > protected memory scheme. A few details you are overlooking. Pink = Taligent = a brand new system from the ground up. You can do things in a new system which you might shy away from in a current production system. From all I've ever seen about Taligent, it understands protected memory quite well. That understanding is irrelevent to the work done for Copland, as they are projects with completely different constraints. > (I also don't understand why people are so infatuated with a > research kernel (Copland's NuKernel) that's never seen the > production light of day and doesn't offer an improvement over > kernels that I've been using for years... but that's another > topic.) It does offer some improvements. > In the strictest technical sense, perhaps I was too harsh on the > poor, defenseless little NuKernel, Yes, you were. Not that it's defenseless, but you made a number of assumptions which are not correct. > Anyway, nobody has yet offered proof that my general claim is > incorrect. The designers of Copland wandered very far down an > expensive and pointless track. They should have had their leashes > jerked back long, long ago. If they had presented me with such > a kludge two years ago, after hundreds of millions of dollars > and three years wasted on Pink and Taligent, I would have fired > them as being fundamentally incompetent. Period. > > Copland + NuKernel = No protected memory for ordinary applications. Forget the NuKernel in this equation. It's Copland = No protected memory for ordinary (GUI) applications I would say your general claim is correct, but I understand how it could have happened from Apple's side. The main problem with Copland is that it took much too long to do. If they could have done Copland in a year, then it probably would have been a perfectly reasonable idea. The real goal was Gershwin, which was intended to be the follow-on to Copland. Nobody nowhere at no time said that Copland was going to be the nirvana of operating systems. It was only meant to be an interim transition between MacOS and a new, modern, and heavy-duty operating system. Also, completely forget about Pink/Taligent for this discussion. Completely. Don't even mention it. It is not relevent to the decisions made for Copland/Gershwin, and given the size of Taligent this is probably just as well. Even with the recent dramatic decrease in RAM prices, Taligent could have required more RAM than Mac users would want to buy for a PowerMac. Besides, the people who worked on Taligent *moved* to the company named Taligent. They are not the people at Apple who worked on Copland/Gershwin ideas. > Under Copland, developers must take special steps to arrange for > protected memory for "applications that could benefit" from it. > The first, and very, very special, step is that one must hack > the user interface out of the app. > > That means that all the problems Mac users have with the average > user apps taking down other apps would still exist in Copland, > with the minor enhancement that your kernel would still be running > after your entire workspace crashes. As a user of a UNIX based > OS, I don't have this problem. And as a developer for Unix, you have hardly any customers compared to the MacOS. You don't have to worry about disrupting millions of customers, because you don't have them. Your operating system started on hardware which cost tens of thousands of dollars at the time, and thus it could afford the overhead of doing things right. The Mac was targetted for normal people with relatively normal budgets, and as such the initial hardware was fairly toyish. However, the Mac (and PC) brought computing to the masses, a claim which Unix can certainly never make in it's wildest dreams. Once Apple had made the transition to beefier hardware, it had to come up with a smooth transition of it's operating system. The Copland/Gershwin combination looked good on paper, and I don't see why you're so worked up about it. What good is done by all your ranting and raving about it? Apple greatly underestimated the difficulty of making this major a switch, and that is hardly news in the computer industry. In the lofty world of Unix, ask Sun how long it took to make their transition from BSD to SysV unix. I don't think Apple could afford a transition as painful (or as drawn-out) as that one has been. Now, as good as Copland/Gershwin may have initially looked, I do agree that Apple should have woken up to the problems a bit sooner than they did. Personally I think the problem was that upper management at the time was too busy trying to get someone like Sun to buy Apple (thus setting themselves up for big paydays), and were not paying attention to Apple itself. Either they didn't know or didn't care that this plan was dragging on much longer than it should have, or maybe they didn't think the changes were all that important. They might have thought, "sure this is late, but so what?". In any case, whatever the problem was, I do agree that Apple should have noticed it much sooner than they did. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:03:02 GMT Organization: R&A Sender: news@RnA.NL Message-ID: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Subject line says it all. Oh, and I don't mind a command line based newsreader that can just decode the contents of a MIME message like the use of uudecode from within nn. -- Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. Renee: "Met veel koper maakt men hoempa." (After hearing a Nielsen symphony)
From: dave@siqin.feinberg.nwu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NoteBook.app, how can I get a license? Date: 25 Feb 1997 17:50:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ev8ou$e93@news.acns.nwu.edu> I tried NoteBook.app and I like it. I'd like to purchase a license but I haven't been able to contact the authors. Here is what I know (from there info panel), it is written by Millennium Software Labs, Inc. 1010 El Camino Real, Suite 300 · Menlo Park, CA 94025 · USA (415) 321-3720 · (415) 321-3650 Fax · info@millennium.com Call (415) 321-3720 to order products But there phone is disconnected and has no forwarding information. Can anyone tell me now to contact them? Thank's in advance, David A. Johnson
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can't get prefferences to work Date: 25 Feb 1997 18:12:25 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5eva29$m54@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <330F5B5F.9C8@gl.umbc.edu> In-Reply-To: <330F5B5F.9C8@gl.umbc.edu> On 02/22/97, Gregory Pacholczyk wrote: > I run NS 3.2 on an 040 cube and i cant seem to get the preferences to > work. whenever i click on the icon the drive spins for a few seconds > and then nothing. this started when i installed ns 3.2. any ideas? > I *think* this happens if you give root a home directory other than / Corrections etc welcome. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 25 Feb 1997 18:15:59 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <E6346K.Ir4@info.physics.utoronto.ca> In-Reply-To: <E6346K.Ir4@info.physics.utoronto.ca> On 02/24/97, Wei Liu wrote: > Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to > local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my > local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text info. > to a local text editor. Thanks in advance. > Umm, you usually just copy and paste -- is there any reason why OW should be different? Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 25 Feb 1997 21:49:42 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > On 02/24/97, Wei Liu wrote: > > Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to > > local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my > > local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text info. I've experienced this myself. Apparently, OmniWeb doesn't handle remote cutting and pasting. All other apps, in my experience, function properly. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: kevin@vulcansthrone.az.stratus.com (Kevin Dorer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black box on 3.3 will not power off Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:41:34 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5evpqu$as4@transfer.stratus.com> References: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> In article <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> kevin@vulcansthrone.az.stratus.com (Kevin Dorer) writes: > > Black NeXT hardware, pizza box running NeXTStep 3.3 powers on > automatically after power off. Neither the 'After power off/failure' > nor the 'At specified time' buttons are checked under preferences > for root or other 2 users. Buttons may have been checked at some > time in the past for one of the users. Also tried enabling/disabling > power off (problem with this mentioned 3.1 release notes). Ideas > or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks to Chuck (Charles Swiger) who suggested replacing the 3v battery. Put in a new battery and no more problem! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kevin C. Dorer VOS Mail: Kevin_Dorer@vos.stratus.com Software Systems Engineer NeXT Mail: kevin@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc., 4455 E. Camelback Road, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 26 Feb 1997 02:47:23 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> In article <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) writes: > In article <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford > <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > > On 02/24/97, Wei Liu wrote: > > > Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to > > > local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my > > > local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text > info. > > I've experienced this myself. Apparently, OmniWeb doesn't handle remote > cutting and pasting. All other apps, in my experience, function properly. > > -- > Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) > Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ > Mathematics and Statistics > University of Nebraska-Lincoln Well, how do you do it? I never could cut and paste when running a remote application on the local DPS server (with -NXHost) even between Edit.app. I guess that's because I don't have a common NetInfo server. But I cannot: the remote host is a portable computer, and it would not work well stand alone if I hooked it to NetInfo. __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: jba@lanminds.com (=JA3=John Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Weird PPP problem Date: 26 Feb 1997 05:14:44 GMT Organization: LanMinds, Inc. (Not Responsible for Content) Message-ID: <5f0gs4$ils@lanshark.lanminds.com> Hello, I've got a weird PPP problem that my ISP cant solve... My ISP is where I work....I have this address as a personal e-mail address etc.. When I dial in to work, like I'm dialed into now, I can resolve hosts to anywhere, but I cant ping, FTP, telnet, or WWW into anywhere inside of my work domail....however I can fo all of the above to outside of the firewall at work, even though I'm connected via TCP/IP through a machine INSIDE the firewall at work... I've got NS 3.3 for black hardware, PPP2.2 Dialup1.2.1e, and SimpleInternetStarter 1.2e... I had it working yesterday, but it no longer works....I know my ISP is OK...I can connect with success to work via my windows machine... any ideas?? thanks John Anderson jba@lanminds.com jba@pixar.com
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Emulating those darn "Function Keys" Date: 26 Feb 1997 08:53:16 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5f0tls$rgb@agate.berkeley.edu> Is there a way that someone with a black machine can emulate the function (F) keys of the PC keyboard? In the terminal window, I've set the "generate vt 100 codes from the keypad" and have managed to get most of the 'F' keys that I needed (F1-F3) using 'shift' with the number on the keypad. However, recently, the service I was accessing _changed_ such that I NOW require an 'F11', PREV, NEXT, Page Dn, and Page Up to navigate. Ugh. Any suggestions by e-mail, please. Thanks. John NeXTMail OK
From: Mark Trombino <mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 02:47:51 -0800 Organization: Egg Head Billy Productions Message-ID: <331414D7.488@ix.netcom.com> References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl wrote: > > Subject line says it all. > > Oh, and I don't mind a command line based newsreader that can just decode the > contents of a MIME message like the use of uudecode from within nn. > The next beta version of RadicalNews (due out in March) will support internal MIME messages. It is *by far* the best newsreader I have ever used on ANY platform and strongly incourage others to try it out! - Mark Trombino (not affiliated in any way to Radical Software. Just a fan!)
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 26 Feb 1997 15:52:45 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5f1m8d$e7k@news.next.com> References: <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> In article <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) writes: > Well, how do you do it? I never could cut and paste when running a > remote application on the local DPS server (with -NXHost) even between > Edit.app. I guess that's because I don't have a common NetInfo server. > But I cannot: the remote host is a portable computer, and it would not > work well stand alone if I hooked it to NetInfo. It's got nothing to do with NetInfo. The problem is, cut & paste uses the pasteboard server (pbs) as the manager for the pasteboard. If you're doing NXHost-type things, the apps are actually talking to two different pasteboard servers. Remember, it's only the GUI that gets remoted to the other system, not the app itself. joe
From: "B. Alexander King III" <aking@uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Can't format optical disk Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:44:09 -0600 Organization: Department of Physics, University of Illinois, Chicago Message-ID: <33145A49.4113@uic.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: aking@uic.edu I have a NeXT cube with a 25MHz 68040 running NeXTStep 3.0. I also have two blank 256Mb optical disks. Unfortunately, I am unable to initialize them from the Workspace Manager's Disk menu. The optical drive won't even recognize them (it just spits them back out). What could be wrong? Thanks in advance. bak
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: 26 Feb 97 14:13:02 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF39F574-114A06@207.147.51.249> References: <331414D7.488@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.sysadmin On Wed, Feb 26, 1997 5:47 AM, Mark Trombino <mailto:mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > The next beta version of RadicalNews (due out in March) will support > internal MIME messages. It is *by far* the best newsreader I have ever > used on ANY platform and strongly incourage others to try it out! The UI is great on RadicalNews, but the performance on my Turbo Cube is slow as molasses even with a 28.8 connection. That Kiwi Newsreader is much faster, but I don't know if it supports MIME. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:51:57 -0600 From: mwm@math.tulane.edu Subject: Windows NT and NeXTSTEP Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <856982596.12511@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: mwm@math.tulane.edu I have a Windows NT Intel machine and a NeXTstation connected via Ethernet. The Windows machine also has a modem to run PPP and access the net. If the Ethernet card is running, however, the machine doesn't access the PPP connection for DNS service. Does anyone know how to cure this problem? Also, I understand that samba will allow me to mount the disks on the NeXT to the Windows machine, but is there software that will allow the Windows machine also to access a NeXT partition on its internal drive? Thanks for the help, Mike Mislove -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702241445.JAA07145@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 8495ad6377ea078745d2235916195f2f - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 09:45:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Power Supply Replacement Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 8495ad6377ea078745d2235916195f2f - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Original Date: 24 Feb 1997 07:23:25 GMT Message-ID: 8495ad6377ea078745d2235916195f2f - > What's the name of the place in Hayward, CA where a guy like > me can get a new power supply for my NeXT Turbo Station? IOW, > what is the name of the company that took over Bell Atlantic's > contract? 1) don't know (should know, but don't) 2) DecisionOne (aka ExpensiveOne). I think their # is 1-800-499-6398 > And, is the only reason I've got to buy a power supply there > so that it will fit inside the computer case? Why not any > other power 'cheapo' power supply? :-) I would bet there's a good reason, but I don't know what it is. > How common is it for the power supply to fail in > Black Stations? I consider it one of the two biggies that could kill my NeXT (the other being the monitor going). I'm not sure what causes it to go, whether turning the NeXT off an on often makes it more likely to die or whether leaving it on all the time makes it more likely to die. TjL ps -- what is the name of the company in CA that sells them, for future reference? -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: Bill Winett <billw@hotwired.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a newsgroup just for WebObjects? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:41:26 -0800 Organization: HotWired Message-ID: <33149FF6.5810@hotwired.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The subject says it all. Sorry for posting here, but I can't find a newsgroup dedicated solely to WebObjects. Thanks in advance.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a newsgroup just for WebObjects? Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:27:35 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5f32fn$56a@news.digifix.com> References: <33149FF6.5810@hotwired.com> In-Reply-To: <33149FF6.5810@hotwired.com> On 02/26/97, Bill Winett wrote: >The subject says it all. > >Sorry for posting here, but I can't find a newsgroup dedicated solely to >WebObjects. > >Thanks in advance. > No, but there is a mailing list, hosted by the kind folks at Omni Development.. Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/ for subscription information. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: 27 Feb 1997 03:21:15 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -no- @pm132-28.dialip.mich.net Message-ID: <5f2ujb$j3m$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> <7xg1yjry8m.fsf@burrow.muc.de> Cc: markusg@burrow.muc.de In <7xg1yjry8m.fsf@burrow.muc.de> Markus Gloede wrote: > >>>>> "GW" == Gerben Wierda <Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl> writes: > > GW> Subject line says it all. > > Everytime somebody askes for a good newsreader my voice can be heard > shouting: Emacs + Gnus! It does everything you want and more. > > Markus G > It doesn't sound to me like what he meant. He's most likely looking for a newsreader extension for the 'vi' editor? No full screen, line by line mode. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, just a friendly joke. :-))) Good luck. Rudy. -- Rudy Blazek Michigan State University blazek@stt.msu.edu Department of Statistics & Probability
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Markus Gloede <markusg@burrow.muc.de> Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <7xg1yjry8m.fsf@burrow.muc.de> To: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Sender: tm@burrow.muc.de (the mole) Organization: hardly any. . . References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.92) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:36:25 GMT >>>>> "GW" == Gerben Wierda <Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl> writes: GW> Subject line says it all. Everytime somebody askes for a good newsreader my voice can be heard shouting: Emacs + Gnus! It does everything you want and more. Markus G
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: nyang@netcom.com (Nick Yang) Subject: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Message-ID: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Summary: Help a NeXT novice Keywords: NeXT, Screwup Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:16:16 GMT Sender: nyang@netcom3.netcom.com I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing around, I have already made it unbootable... Someone please help me. The hardware is a NeXTstation mono 16/400. System version is 3.3. What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the computer, I will get a message: "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" and it will just hang there. After a couple of ^C, I will get a core dump. I then unplug the network cable and reboot, the process will pause at starting file service, and after a couple of ^C, I will get the mouse pointer, but no Workspace Manager. Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all the FAQs, and NextAnswer. Please if you know, reply to the message or send an e-mail to me. I will be checking the newsgroup and mail all night. Or heck, if you know how to fix my problem, call me at my home. My number there is 1-818-821-1989. Thanks a million in advance. - Nick
From: Arne Sieg <sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 27 Feb 1997 07:48:27 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5f3e8b$alo@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5ekh1b$ph7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: MAB, binaries, software Allen Braunsdorf writes > humanist@interport.net (Michael Howard) wrote: > >How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > >used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > >new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? > > Others have generally answered you about MABs, I'll add some > more. > > NEXTSTEP 3.3 comes in two packages depending on which > machine you get it for. One has the NeXT and Intel > versions, the other has the HP and SPARC versions. The > developer part of the relase (another CD) works on all four. > In 4.1, the three (they don't do HP anymore) are all > separate, I'm told. No, they come on one CD for all 3 architectures in 4.1, developper partly even for HP-PA! -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin PST (E10, E3) url: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Accessing a serial port Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:53:23 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <331583C3.149B@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have connected an Ascend P25 terminal adapter to my computer. It is connected by ethernet for the network connection and to the 1st serial port for terminal access. Now I need to access it with VT100 terminal emulation in order to configure it. The manual gives directions for only Win95, which says to use HyperTerminal. Will I be able to use NeXT's terminal app for this? What command should I give to access the 1st serial port? Or should I use a different app altogether? Thanks, Greg
From: i455@baracke.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Bergmann Winfried) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:18:01 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <5f452p$d97@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Nick Yang (nyang@netcom.com) wrote: : I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing : around, I have already made it unbootable... Someone please help me. : : The hardware is a NeXTstation mono 16/400. System version is 3.3. : : What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network : Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a : LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the : computer, I will get a message: : : "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" : : and it will just hang there. After a couple of ^C, I will get a core dump. : : I then unplug the network cable and reboot, the process will pause at : starting file service, and after a couple of ^C, I will get the mouse : pointer, but no Workspace Manager. : : Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, : maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all : the : FAQs, and NextAnswer. Please if you know, reply to the message or send : an e-mail to me. I will be checking the newsgroup and mail all night. : Or heck, if you know how to fix my problem, call me at my home. My : number there is 1-818-821-1989. Thanks a million in advance. : : - Nick : Try to boot up in single user mode. I'm don't know how to do this with Next-hardware, but it should be in the NextAnswers. Then restore the NI database with the default somewhere in /usr/template/client... If you can't find it, send me a mail. I could check it out, when I'm home. -- ========================================================================== Winfried Bergmann | Germany - 91478 Ulsenheim 14 | I read it in the paper i455@stio1.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de | There's death on every page ==========================================================================
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Accessing a serial port Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:27:01 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E69Mt2.59M@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <331583C3.149B@smart.net> In article <331583C3.149B@smart.net> gh@smart.net writes: > I have connected an Ascend P25 terminal adapter to > my computer. It is connected by ethernet for the > network connection and to the 1st serial port for > terminal access. Now I need to access it with > VT100 terminal emulation in order to configure it. > The manual gives directions for only Win95, which > says to use HyperTerminal. Will I be able to use > NeXT's terminal app for this? What command should > I give to access the 1st serial port? Or should > I use a different app altogether? something like: tip ttya9600 (cat /etc/remote to see the available speeds etc, or add new ones). $an
From: jstella@okeefe.com (Seraphim J. Stella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Date: 27 Feb 1997 17:03:32 GMT Organization: digitalNATION high speed internet Message-ID: <5f4ep4$l9e$1@news1.dn.net> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Cc: nyang@netcom.com In <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Nick Yang wrote: > I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing > around, I have already made it unbootable... Someone please help me. > > The hardware is a NeXTstation mono 16/400. System version is 3.3. > > What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network > Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a > LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the > computer, I will get a message: > > "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" > > and it will just hang there. After a couple of ^C, I will get a core dump. > > I then unplug the network cable and reboot, the process will pause at > starting file service, and after a couple of ^C, I will get the mouse > pointer, but no Workspace Manager. > > Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, > maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all > the > FAQs, and NextAnswer. Please if you know, reply to the message or send > an e-mail to me. I will be checking the newsgroup and mail all night. > Or heck, if you know how to fix my problem, call me at my home. My > number there is 1-818-821-1989. Thanks a million in advance. > > - Nick > No problem... When your machine first boots, a screen will come up saying "Loading from Disk". At this point, hold down the right "Command" key and tap the upper left hand key on the numeric keypad (generally the "`" key). This will bring up a terminal boot screen. Type "bsd -s" (without the quotes) at the prompt. This will bring you up in single-user mode. Single user mode has only a UNIX command line interface, so don't worry when no Workspace Manager launches... Type the following commands: mkdir /Users/<YourUserNameHere>/NetInfoBackup cp -r /etc/netinfo /Users/<YourUserNameHere>/NetinfoBackup/ cp hostcongif /etc/netinfo /Users/<YourUserNameHere>/NetinfoBackup/ rm -r /etc/netinfo rm /etc/hostconfig cp /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc These commands will make a backup of your network configuration files, delete the old network configuration files and then put the templates back in their place. Make sure to replace the <YourUserNameHere> strings with your actual login name. F.Y.I The commands I gave you are not the most efficient way to execute these tasks, but are the easiest to "get" if you are unfamiliar with UNIX. Email me if you need additional help. Josh Stella
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Date: 27 Feb 1997 12:03:10 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5f4p9u$ee@mpaque.mpaque> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> In article <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> nyang@netcom.com (Nick Yang) writes: > What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network > Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a > LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the > computer, I will get a message: > > "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" > > Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, > maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all > the > FAQs, and NextAnswer. If you're having major problems that you believe stem from a corrupted NetInfo database, you can restore the NetInfo and configuration servers to their original, standalone states. In addition, if you're not confident about changes you've made to the local domain, you may want to restore it, too. Warning: Making a new NetInfo database is a drastic measure. Only do this as a last resort. If you've invested a lot of time creating the NetInfo database, ask an expert for help before replacing it. A better choice is to restore the hostconfig, local.nidb, and network.nidb files from backups made when the network was working properly. Follow these steps to restore each NetInfo server to its original state: 1. Restore the NetInfo databases on the computer running the server process for the root domain. Be sure to do this in single-user mode. To get to single user mode: a. When you first turn on your NeXT computer, hold down the right Command key and press the ~ key (without pressing Shift) on the numeric keypad immediately after the Testing system message is replaced by the Loading from disk message. (If you have a NeXT computer with an ADB keyboard, press the Command bar and the ~ key.) The ROM monitor window opens and displays the NeXT> prompt. b. Type the boot command: bsd -s rootrw=1 2. Copy /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig to /etc. This restores the hostconfig file to its default configuration. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc 3. Remove the directory in /etc/netinfo to delete all NetInfo domains on that computer. 4. Copy the files in /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo to /etc/netinfo to restore the netinfo domain to its original state. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc/netinfo -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: nyang@netcom.com (Nick Yang) Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Message-ID: <nyangE6ACo5.10n@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> <5f4ep4$l9e$1@news1.dn.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:45:41 GMT Sender: nyang@netcom3.netcom.com HI. Thank you all so much for your help. I got the machine without the manuals so I didn't know how to boot into single user mode. I guess I didn't look hard enought on the web to find out about this as some people told me this is a pretty common problem. I got the machine to boot into single user mode and replaced hostconfig and netinfo with fresh copies and it reboot fine again. Thank you all so much. I learned so much in the last 24 hours. I love the machine a lot and think it's a beautiful piece of art. Anyway, when I get home and I am going to play with it some more. Thank you all again. - Nick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Backup Software - SafetyNet Message-ID: <1997Feb28.093029.26302@roper.uwyo.edu> From: nor@panoramix.uwyo.edu (norbert pirzkal) Date: 28 Feb 97 09:30:29 MST References: <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> Distribution: world Cc: roland@onevision.de In <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> Roland Schwingel wrote: ... > So I tried to contact systemix (vendor of Safetynet) in order > to ask whether there is a new version. But I didn't got > any response right now. Are they still alive ? My Emails > didn't bounce. Their web page seems to be very old, too. ... I think they rae still alive. I have been using their backup software for over a year and it is just great! Anyway, they posted version 2.51 on ftp-peak and announced a special pricing policy for the next few weeks. I therefore think that they are still around... -- Norbert Pirzkal http://faraday.uwyo.edu/grads/npirzkal P.O. Box 3905 Physics & Astronomy Department University Station Laramie, WY, 82071
From: Jeff Sciortino <jjs2815@osfpop.isc.rit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Date: 28 Feb 1997 02:10:26 GMT Organization: Industrial Engieering Message-ID: <5f5eqi$1h1@news.isc.rit.edu> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> <5f452p$d97@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i455@baracke.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Bergmann Winfried) wrote: >Nick Yang (nyang@netcom.com) wrote: >: I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing >Try to boot up in single user mode. I'm don't know how to do this with >Next-hardware, but it should be in the NextAnswers. Then restore the NI >database with the default somewhere in /usr/template/client... When the first graphic comes up on the screen (something like checking hardware) hold down the command key and press the ~ key (in the numeric keypad section of the keyboard) This should get you a prompt that looks like: NEXT> Type: bsd -s hit <ENTER> This should boot from your scsi device (hard disk) in single user mode. I think the NeXTanswer that deals with this is called power on? best o' luck >========================================================================== >Winfried Bergmann | >Germany - 91478 Ulsenheim 14 | I read it in the paper >i455@stio1.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de | There's death on every page >==========================================================================
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Backup Software - SafetyNet Date: 28 Feb 97 12:24:17 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb28122417@slave.one.net> References: <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> In-reply-to: roland@onevision.de's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:59:26 GMT In article <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de>, roland@onevision.de (Roland Schwingel) writes: So I tried to contact systemix (vendor of Safetynet) in order to ask whether there is a new version. But I didn't got any response right now. Are they still alive ? My Emails didn't bounce. Their web page seems to be very old, too. Keep trying. I talked, via email, with Brian not too long ago (month, two months?), and systemix recently posted on csn.announce. More than likely, he's just like me - I have a "real" job, which often takes precedence over secondary (and low-money) pursuits. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:58:44 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg39379.thr-41466fac.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg39379.thr-41466fac.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>vbragin@ix.netcom.com,UseNet writes:</bold> >For the last several weeks, the main menus of two >applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are >nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. >The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these >apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by >using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke >that I perchance might have used that caused the main >menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I >get back these menus? Double click on the clock icon just below the NeXT icon to open your preferences. Scroll right until you see the menu icon and click on it. A representation of your monitor will appear. Click the mouse anywhere inside the monitor and a menu will dynamically move around your screen as you move the mouse. Position the menu at the top left of the screen (for example) and this will become the default location for the menus. In other applications where the menus are currently still appearing, you have probably moved them from their default location at some time in the past. The applications remember where you last put them and henceforward will ignore the defaults set in preferences. I discovered this in somthing like the reverse situation. I _wanted_ to get rid of all menus and could with all apps except Edit--because I had moved Edit's menu from the default position. -- David Herren -------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ General: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu NeXTMail only: herren@barcelona.middlebury.edu
From: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Q:Reporting tool Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 28 Feb 1997 19:11:42 GMT Message-ID: <5f7ale$7ra$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <E6BKEz.165@oic.de> Juergen Moellenhoff (jurgen@oic.de) wrote: : Hi, : I'm looking for reporting tools, but I don't know which report writers are : available for OPENSTEP 4.x/Mach and EOF? Can someone give me an : advice which tools are available (and usable)? If you mean database reporting tools, check out CompleteAccess by Ocean Software (info@oceansoft.com) or DaTASMITH by BLaCKSMITH (info@blacksmith.com). They are both outstanding. I don't know what their availability is for OPENSTEP (as opposed to NEXTSTEP), though. Denise -- Denise Howard | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar to Mountain View, CA | banging one's head against a wall, but deniseh@best.com | with fewer opportunities for reward. NeXTMail welcome! | http://www.best.com/~deniseh
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WTB: NeXT Color Printer Date: 28 Feb 1997 22:05:14 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-2802971408400001@i528.oro.net> Let me know what you have. Thomas
From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Backup Software - SafetyNet Date: 28 Feb 1997 22:47:50 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <5f7nam$5s2@dropit.pgh.net> References: <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> <1997Feb28.093029.26302@roper.uwyo.edu> > I think they are still alive. I have been using their backup software for > over a year and it is just great! > Anyway, they posted version 2.51 on ftp-peak and announced a special pricing > policy for the next few weeks. I therefore think that they are still > around... Is that 2.51 or 2.5r1? I have the latter, but I don't want to spend a lot of tme downloading something I already have.. ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: joe@interport.net (Joe Mirabella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TEST Date: 28 Feb 1997 18:07:38 -0500 Organization: Interport Communications Corp. Message-ID: <5f7ofq$9c5@interport.net> TEST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Message-ID: <33177131.1915@running-start.com> From: Eric Hermanson <eric@running-start.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:58:41 -0800 Organization: Running Start, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am having a heck of a time trying to convert .tiff files created and saved under NEXTSTEP into Windows compatible .ico files. There are several problems: 1. I haven't been able to find an application that goes from .tiff --> .ico that runs on Windows or NEXTSTEP. If I could find an app that does this, that would be great! 2. Assuming I won't be able to find a solution for #1, I'm also trying to find a Windows program that will read in NEXTSTEP .tiff files and convert them to .bmp or even .gif. I'm assuming it might be easier to find an app that goes from .bmp to .ico. 3. If I can get #2, I still need the .bmp --> .ico converter! If anyone has experience converting NeXT .tiff images (which may or may not contain alpha transparency) into Windows .ico files, please drop me a line. Thanks, Eric -- Running Start, Inc. * Ask About Our Software For: "The Enterprise Developer's Developer" * Workflow http://www.running-start.com * Web Commerce +1-520-760-4890 (4891 FAX) * Request Resolution eric@running-start.com * OPENSTEP/WebObjects/JAVA ================================ Homer Simpson Quote of the Week: Homer: (Offering Lisa a donut.) Donut? Lisa: Uhh... got any fruit? Homer: This one has purple in it. Purple's a fruit.
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Date: 1 Mar 1997 00:58:56 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5f7v0g$31e$1@news.xmission.com> References: <33177131.1915@running-start.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric Hermanson <eric@running-start.com> wrote: > I am having a heck of a time trying to convert .tiff files created > and saved under NEXTSTEP into Windows compatible .ico files. This has come up many times; Andy Stone made a helpful post to his OPENSTEP mailing list which answers the problem pretty well. I'm appending it to this message--hopefully Andy won't mind. :-) Something like this probably ought to be added to a developer FAQ somewhere...StepWise might be a good place--Scott? :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a> Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 14:42:04 -0700 Old-Return-Path: andrew From: Andrew Stone <andrew@stone.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 14:41:48 -0700 To: OpenStep-NT@droid Subject: ICOs: Andrew's How-To Guide Reply-To: andrew@stone.com X-Url: „http://www.stone.com Resent-From: OpenStep-NT@stone.com X-Mailing-List: <OpenStep-NT@stone.com> archive/latest/18 X-Loop: OpenStep-NT@stone.com Resent-Sender: OpenStep-NT-request@stone.com How To make ICO's for your project: 1. On MACH using IconBuilder: a. Remove alpha from 48 by 48 <NAME>.tiff b. if you use white in your icon that is not meant to be transparent,floodfill the transparent areas with an unused primary color, such as green In IconPro on NT, you'll add back in the transparency on this color c. Save As... <NAME>48.tiff d. Save As... <NAME>32.tiff e. Run pagelayout and reduce size to 32 by 32, choose "Scale" f. Fix the bits where they got ugly g. Repeat, this time for <NAME>16.tiff, sized to 16 by 16 2. On MACH using OmniImage: a. open each of three tiffs in OmniImage b. Choose Save As... and select the .bmp format from popup. creating <NAME>48.bmp <NAME>32.bmp and <NAME>16.bmp 3. On NT using IconPro ( a demo program from MSDN - I can't give this out - check the web) a. File->New Icon b. Edit->Add Format... Do this up to 6 times with these formats: 16 * 16 4 bit 16 * 16 8 bit 32 * 32 4 bit 32 * 32 8 bit 48 * 48 4 bit 48 * 48 8 bit c. For each format: 1. select Edit->Import BMP 2. Choose <NAME>16.bmp for the 16 * 16, etc. that is, select the correct BMP for the size you are working on. d. In the lower left view is the XOR Mask 1. Control-Click on the color representing the transparency (eg green in the example above) e. Save the <NAME>.ico file in your project directory 4. Repeat steps 1 - 3 for document icons with file extensions 5. In Project Builder on either OS a. bring up Project Attributes Inspector b. choose OPENSTEP for Windows popup. c. Drag in the appIcon.ico into the app icon well d. For each document type: 1. click Add 2. type in file extension 3. type in <NAME>.ico for that type (it will appear in well if it's cool) e. Save project 6. AND THIS IS THE GOTCHA DUDES! The make process creates a .o file, appResources.o which gets linked into the .exe or .dll. IF YOU CHANGE YOUR .ico's, you had better delete this file so that it gets rebuilt, or you will scratch your head and bug your pals until you figure this out! 7. Now, from the directory above the appwrapper, in a terminal type: registerBundle <APPNAME>.app When you double click files, the app will open them (if you implement - (BOOL)application:(NSApplication *)sender openFile:(NSString *)path, that is!). When you drag your .exe into a Program Folder, the "correct" icon will show - although it may look pretty bad if you've been using NeXTSTEP for 8 years! Thanks to gracious Ali Ozer and Mike Monegan for their suggestions, the key ones of which I have herein enclosed: From: Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@next.com> To: OpenStep-NT@stone.com Subject: Re: ico,ico MSDN comes with a sample program called "IconPro" which lets you create multi-image ico files. You specify the depths and sizes of the images you want in the ico (typically 32x32, 256 color + 16x16, 256 color), then import icos or bmps into the various images. Unfortunately I can't make the program available because I don't think it is freely distributable. Assuming you have access to IconPro, your problem reduces to converting tiffs to bmp. The "Imaging" program which comes with NT4.0 is able to deal with tiffs without alpha; you can remove alpha from your tiffs, feed it into this program, save bmp, the import the bmp into IconPro... Something more sophisticated like Photoshop can probably also do this. Note that ico files do allow for 1-bit transparency (basically a mask). Turns out IconPro has a semi-hidden feature which allows you to restore transparency into your images --- in the XOR view, ctrl-click on the areas you want to be transparent. I think it will do a flood-fill to make the specified area transparent. BTW, I believe most of the NeXT icos were created from scratch. If you try scaling your beautiful 48x48 icos down to 32x32 automatically you might also decide this is the best way to go... Ali From: Mike Monegan <Mike_Monegan@next.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 12:04:34 -0800 To: andrew@stone.com Subject: Re: ico,ico REDUX There is a program run at build time called regGen, which generates an object file containing your ico's you put in the app's project inspector in PB. The ico's are placed at specific indices in the app's binary and referred to in the appResources.reg (also output by regGen). Thus, registerBundle loads up the registry references to the ICO's in your binary. Each time registerBundle is run, it overwrites the previous registration for the app. ... --- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com „http://www.stone.com !! ||<<->>||< How you perceive reality morphs it >||<<->>|| Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:33:46 -0700 Old-Return-Path: aisbell@ix.netcom.com From: Art Isbell <aisbell@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 14:12:05 -0800 To: OpenStep-NT@stone.com Subject: Re: ICOs: Andrew's How-To Guide Reply-To: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Resent-From: OpenStep-NT@stone.com X-Mailing-List: <OpenStep-NT@stone.com> archive/latest/19 X-Loop: OpenStep-NT@stone.com Resent-Sender: OpenStep-NT-request@stone.com Thanks very much to Andrew for the great ICO-ICO HowTo (now sing along, folks :-) > 6. AND THIS IS THE GOTCHA DUDES! The make process creates a .o > file, appResources.o which gets linked into the .exe or .dll. IF > YOU > CHANGE YOUR .ico's, you had better delete this file so that it gets > > rebuilt, or you will scratch your head and bug your pals until you > figure this out! Would something like the following NT-specific Makefile.postamble entry help: appResources.o: $(APPICON) $(DOCICONS) The specific make macros may be different depending on OS version. --- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Date: 1 Mar 1997 00:52:12 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5f7ujt$bjm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <33177131.1915@running-start.com> Cc: eric@running-start.com In <33177131.1915@running-start.com> Eric Hermanson wrote: > I am having a heck of a time trying to convert .tiff files created and > saved under NEXTSTEP into Windows compatible .ico files. There are > several problems: > > 1. I haven't been able to find an application that goes from .tiff --> > .ico that runs on Windows or NEXTSTEP. If I could find an app that does > this, that would be great! > > 2. Assuming I won't be able to find a solution for #1, I'm also trying > to find a Windows program that will read in NEXTSTEP .tiff files and > convert them to .bmp or even .gif. I'm assuming it might be easier to > find an app that goes from .bmp to .ico. How about a Nextstep program for .tiff -> .bmp and/or .gif? OmniImage.app from OmniGroup does this. Or, you could try working with pbmtools. > 3. If I can get #2, I still need the .bmp --> .ico converter! Not sure if there's an easy way to do that or not. > If anyone has experience converting NeXT .tiff images (which may or may > not contain alpha transparency) into Windows .ico files, please drop me > a line. I do have some experience transfering images between NeXT tiff and Windows bmp formats.. and almost invariably I found that Nextsteps tools are far superior to the Windows tools. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ? in /dev directory Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 20:14:28 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <331782F4.6040@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All of the files in my /dev directory have a ? in the icon. Is this normal? If not, how should I corrrect this? --Greg
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Date: 1 Mar 1997 03:14:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970301031401.WAA17000@ladder02.news.aol.com> References: <5f7ujt$bjm$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> I've been doing some work with this sort of kind of--did the reverse, converted a Windows icon into an icon-sized tiff on the NeXT. (Abandoned this version when I figured out that this would present copyright difficulties). There are a lot of Windows icon tools--you're going to have to get one. I use Win 3.1, so can't advise on Win95 stuff. The ones I know of won't import tiffs, so you'll need a program to convert or display tiffs--you'll also need to shrink them from 48 x 48 to 32 x 32. Some of the more obscure NeXT bit depths aren't supported on the PC, so convert the file to 24-bit color before moving it to the PC. Hope this helps! William PS - for those who're interested in looking at the completed work mentioned above, look at my web page and choose Tools, then Hardware. William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ? in /dev directory Date: 1 Mar 1997 05:07:59 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5f8djf$7pq@news.next.com> References: <331782F4.6040@smart.net> gh@smart.net writes > All of the files in my /dev directory have > a ? in the icon. Is this normal? If not, how > should I corrrect this? > > --Greg This is normal, not something to worry about. The reason is because the files in /dev are "device" files, which provide access to the hardware on the system from the UNIX programming interface. Workspace should probably provide a special icon for these files, but it doesn't. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ? in /dev directory Date: 1 Mar 1997 05:20:44 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5f8ebc$p24@news.platinum.com> References: <331782F4.6040@smart.net> Cc: gh@smart.net In <331782F4.6040@smart.net> it appeared that gh@smart.net wrote: > All of the files in my /dev directory have > a ? in the icon. Is this normal? If not, how > should I corrrect this? > > --Greg Stop poking around in your /dev directory. ;-) Yes, this is normal. It just means that NeXT didn't design a nice little icon for these special files, so your workspace manager, which doesn't know what kind of files they are, represents them with the "?" icon. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: 1 Mar 1997 05:38:38 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5f8fcu$qop@news.platinum.com> References: <331414D7.488@ix.netcom.com> <AF39F574-114A06@207.147.51.249> Cc: mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net In <AF39F574-114A06@207.147.51.249> it appeared that "Mitchell Allen" wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 1997 5:47 AM, Mark Trombino <mailto:mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > The next beta version of RadicalNews (due out in March) will support > > internal MIME messages. It is *by far* the best newsreader I have ever > > used on ANY platform and strongly incourage others to try it out! > > The UI is great on RadicalNews, but the performance on my Turbo Cube is > slow as molasses even with a 28.8 connection. That Kiwi Newsreader is much > faster, but I don't know if it supports MIME. Hmm... I'm running RadicalNews on a TurboSlab, and it performs pretty well. (I do have a T1 to the net, but it's high-traffic most of the time.) I do have the slow link box checked in the preferences-NewsSources panel. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.3 install problem. Date: 1 Mar 1997 05:49:14 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5f8g0q$qop@news.platinum.com> References: <01bc20fb$e541b4e0$85c992cf@default> <5eoffd$fmo@news.next.com> Cc: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM In <5eoffd$fmo@news.next.com> it appeared that Mark Bessey wrote: > "Christian Jensen" <chrsjensen@worldnet.att.net> writes > > The install goes fine until I load the SCSI adapter and HD controller > > drivers. No matter which I choose, when NS attempts to start after > > loading the drivers I get the following messages: > > > > (...a variety of normal, non-error messages, followed by...) > > Adaptec 2940: Can't get Configspace; ABORTING > > Registering: event0 > > Registering kmDevice0 > > No SCSI controller or CD-ROM device found > > use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d, en%d, or tr%d > > root device? > > Sometimes this message is a result of having a PCI card and an ISA card > set to the same interrupt. You might need to change something in the CMOS > setup to reserve an IRQ for the PCI device. You might also cruise NeXTanswers (http://www.next.com) to see if you have the latest device drivers for the devices you are using. I've found that it is generally simpler to get all the drivers you want loaded onto the same disk, and use that instead of the install drivers disk + an optional disk. (This is because sometimes, NeXT doesn't actually copy these additional drivers to the disk during the install, or perhaps they get written over by the drivers on the CD-ROM, I'm not certain. In any case, this problem doesn't seem to happen if you use only one drivers floppy.) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: found '040 nextstep pizzabox need help Date: 1 Mar 1997 05:59:06 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5f8gja$qop@news.platinum.com> References: <856626940.21138@dejanews.com> Cc: PhenixPhir@aol.com In <856626940.21138@dejanews.com> it appeared that PhenixPhir@aol.com wrote: > found '040 nextstep pizzabox for $200 with monitor and stuff but the > person who donated it did not leave a password or forgot it what do i do > intall the system again and if so where do i get a copy of the system > > Replay at PhenixPhir@aol.com You'll want to know these things... http://www.next.com (excellent web-based NeXTanswers) If you are eligible for an academic discount, you can get the whole kit and kaboodle (user and developer software) for $300. Call NeXT at (800) TRY-NEXT for more information on this. If you're not eligible, the software is a bit expensive. Call NeXT for the latest pricing information. Now that NeXT bought Apple, many people expect the price of the software to come down, but that may not happen until it actually runs on PowerPC hardware (pre-release versions possible around mid-year). Your best bet for media, if price is a real obstacle, is to get a copy on usenet. Folks sell the media in comp.sys.next.marketplace often. Put a request there, if there are not adds, and you might get a bite. (Depending on exactly what you buy there, you may be in violation of the software license, so I'm not advocating this, just letting you know about your options.) You will want (for certain) NeXTSTEP 3.3, or OpenStep for Mach 4.1. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: shihong@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (LAO Shihong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 01 Mar 1997 06:39:12 GMT Organization: kyoto-inet Message-ID: <SHIHONG.97Mar1153912@mimi.mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp> References: <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> In-reply-to: no.spam@no.where's message of 26 Feb 1997 02:47:23 GMT >>>>> "Pascal" == Pascal Bourguignon <no.spam@no.where> writes: In article <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) writes: Pascal> Well, how do you do it? I never could cut and paste when Pascal> running a remote application on the local DPS server (with Pascal> -NXHost) even between Edit.app. I guess that's because I Pascal> don't have a common NetInfo server. But I cannot: the NetInfo server is not necessary. I can do cut and paste between NXHosted apps except OmniWeb. -- LAO Shihong
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: accessing 'headers' within mail.app Date: 1 Mar 1997 18:00:51 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5f9qsj$e72@agate.berkeley.edu> How can I 'see' the complete header information that is 'hidden' within Mail.app's interface? Where is it and how can a find it? Mail.app isn't "just another pretty 'interface'" is it? :-) Any answers by e-mail, please: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Thanks. John
From: "Jean Paul Ladue" <jpladue@telerama.lm.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NextStep for Intel. Date: 1 Mar 1997 19:08:24 GMT Organization: Stargate Industries, Inc. Message-ID: <01bc2673$d78f0460$71b797ce@jeanladu> Where can I find information on NextStep for Intel? I wednt to the Next website but had no luck, all I found was a bunch info about OpenStep. Also what is the academic price for NextStep. Thanks. -- ------------------------------- Email: jpladue@telerama.lm.com jpladue@sgi.net WWW: http://www.lm.com/~jpladue -- "Once I was a happy space pirate looting and pillaging, then POOF I'm as dumb as a doornail." -- ++==-- Brak, Cartoon Planet --==++
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: accessing 'headers' within mail.app Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:31:51 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <on6_17G00iV_05HbdD@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5f9qsj$e72@agate.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <5f9qsj$e72@agate.berkeley.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 1-Mar-97 accessing 'headers' within .. by John Badanes@romdas.HIP. > How can I 'see' the complete header information that is 'hidden' > within Mail.app's interface? Where is it and how can a find it? The "Message->Show all headers" menu item? I'm not sure whether all versions of Mail.app have that, though. > Mail.app isn't "just another pretty 'interface'" is it? :-) Nope, it's more than a GUI wrapper around /usr/ucb/mail. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Roberto Fabbretti <Roberto.Fabbretti@dim.hcuge.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Compiling mSQL for Nextstep 3.3 Intel and Motorola Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 12:12:18 +0100 Organization: University of Geneva Message-ID: <33196092.356D@dim.hcuge.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine and myself are trying unsuccessfully to compile msql 1.16 on Intel and Motorola platform with no success. On Intel the proble is that after making the target the make all instruction fails because it does not find the include files, in particular <paths.h> On motorola it fails because of a DIRENT problem Has anyone a clue???
From: Umiratel@uniserve.com (David Poon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: minimum Next station for internet Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 06:51:01 -0700 Organization: Uniserve Online Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: <Umiratel-ya023080000203970651010001@news.uniserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone, I am thinking of getting a used NeXT station (mono) for the purpose of using it to connect to the Internet. I am using a dial-up service, not a direct ethernet connection like I had before when I was studying in the University so I am not sure, what is the minimum setup for a mono NeXT station so I can do PPP, email (what is NeXT mail by the way), news and UUCP and IRC. Webbing is not that important since I do most of it and the authoring on my PowerMac system. And will this minimum system allow me to network with my PowerMac via ethernet? Is it a 10Base-T connection and what software do I need (preferably shareware or freeware) to accomplish this? Any info on this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
From: "Michael S. Peacock" <mpeacock@eversoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: minimum Next station for internet Date: 2 Mar 1997 16:27:10 GMT Organization: Digital Highway Communications Message-ID: <01bc2726$3d066100$37ae37cf@skywalker.dhc.net> References: <Umiratel-ya023080000203970651010001@news.uniserve.com> David Poon <Umiratel@uniserve.com> wrote in article <Umiratel-ya023080000203970651010001@news.uniserve.com>... > I am thinking of getting a used NeXT station (mono) for the purpose > of using it to connect to the Internet. I am using a dial-up service, not > a direct ethernet connection like I had before when I was studying in the > University so I am not sure, what is the minimum setup for a mono NeXT > station > so I can do PPP, email (what is NeXT mail by the way), news and UUCP and > IRC. Webbing is not that important since I do most of it and the authoring > on my PowerMac system. As far as hardware goes, I'd probably look at a 25mhz 68040 system with 16mb of RAM and at least a 440mb hd. You can get by with less, but as cheap as memory and hard drives are today, that would be the minimum that I'd be comfortable with. If you decide to buy a color system, get more memory (24mb or more). NeXTMail refers to NeXT's proprietary mail format which is used by NeXT's mail program (Mail.app). It allows you to compose in Rich Text and send attachments to other NeXT users, but it will be gibberish to non-NeXT users. The NeXT mail program (Mail.app) supports plain text though to let you communicate with the outside world. The only caveat is that it didn't support MIME attachments until NS 3.3. You can also use Pine, Elm, or one of the several free mail programs available for Unix. A free implementation of PPP is available (check the ftp sites for the latest version). I seem to remember ther are binary distributions available so you aren't out of luck if you don't have a Developer CD. UUCP is standard although I believe there is something called Taylor UUCP (a shareware or freeware product, I think) that is supposed to be nicer. > And will this minimum system allow me to network with my PowerMac via ethernet? > Is it a 10Base-T connection and what software do I need (preferably shareware > or freeware) to accomplish this? All NeXT machines (afaik) have built-in ethernet with RJ-45 and BNC connectors (not certain about AUI)). I believe version 3.0 of the OS supported Appletalk directly, but I think it was dropped in future versions. I know this can be done with a Linux box (via NetATalk with Appletalk support enabled in the kernel), but I'm not sure about NeXT. Perhaps someone else can help here.
From: "Gerard T. Curd" <"gcurd@tricon.net@gcurd"@tricon.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: FS NeXTStation Turbo Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:06:47 -0500 Message-ID: <5fctru$c20@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $850 + shipping OBO NextStation Turbo 32 MB Memory 400 MB Hard Disk 17" Monitor w/brand new CRT Zyxel 14.4 Modem & Software Laser Printer 400 DPI NextStep 3.2 NextStep 3.2 Developers Kit Lotus Improv Mesa NoteBook Write Now MetroTools Much More... Everything runs great. If interested send me an email - gcurd@tricon.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702261928.OAA10956@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 4153f17b0ddc9d2dc63fe5cfb2f4838d - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:28:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Emulating those darn "Function Keys" Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 4153f17b0ddc9d2dc63fe5cfb2f4838d - Responding To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Original Date: 26 Feb 1997 08:53:16 GMT Message-ID: 4153f17b0ddc9d2dc63fe5cfb2f4838d - > In the terminal window, I've set the "generate vt 100 codes > from the keypad" and have managed to get most of the 'F' keys > that I needed (F1-F3) using 'shift' with the number on the > keypad. You can get F1-F10 by pressing-and-releasing ESCAPE and then 1-10. > However, recently, the service I was accessing _changed_ such > that I NOW require an 'F11', PREV, NEXT, Page Dn, and Page Up > to navigate. Ugh. However I don't know how to do these keys. Stuart.app might be able to do this however... TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703011628.LAA05012@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 4153f17b0ddc9d2dc63fe5cfb2f4838d - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 97 11:28:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Emulating those darn "Function Keys" References: 4153f17b0ddc9d2dc63fe5cfb2f4838d - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Original Date: 26 Feb 1997 08:53:16 GMT In case anyone finds themselves in the same situation as John, you might be interested to know that Stuart.app was able to solve this problem for him. ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/Stuart.2.6.3.NIHS.b.tar.gz Thanks again to Scott Hess, author of Stuart (and Terminal.app too I believe!) TjL ps -- Stuart is also one of the 'must have' apps you'll find on my Webpage of the same name (access from http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/) > Is there a way that someone with a black machine can emulate > the function (F) keys of the PC keyboard? > > In the terminal window, I've set the "generate vt 100 codes > from the keypad" and have managed to get most of the 'F' keys > that I needed (F1-F3) using 'shift' with the number on the > keypad. > > However, recently, the service I was accessing _changed_ such > that I NOW require an 'F11', PREV, NEXT, Page Dn, and Page Up > to navigate. Ugh.
From: seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP opening NeXT ADB mouse Date: 3 Mar 1997 05:06:29 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <5fdm8l$aaf@ttacs7.ttu.edu> i have an adb mouse and sometimes the left mouse button sticks when pressed. i have to click the button again to release it. i would like to open the mouse and clean it. how do i open the mouse? (i removed the two screws that are visible but the mouse won't come apart.) any help is appreciated. thanks in advance. hs
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Jan/Feb Quiz results, new March Quiz started Date: 2 Mar 1997 16:54:16 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5fcbbo$976@peng.ping.at> The SSS January/February Quiz has ended, and the winner is drawn. Plus: the new March Quiz has started NOW! For Jan/Feb results as well as for the new March quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Deadline for the new quiz is April 1. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer *or* LatinByrd license, or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:20:48 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E6GvMp.1Jn@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <33177131.1915@running-start.com> In article <33177131.1915@running-start.com> writes: > I am having a heck of a time trying to convert .tiff files created and > saved under NEXTSTEP into Windows compatible .ico files. There are > several problems: > Many practical solutions have been posted - however my favourite way (if only casue I wrote it): Copy and paste the image from ImageViewer (or similar) into paintbrush running under SoftPC! $an
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Emulating those darn "Function Keys" Date: 3 Mar 97 08:19:47 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Mar3081947@howard.one.net> References: 4153f17b0ddc9d2dc63fe5cfb2f4838d - <199702261928.OAA10956@peak.org> In-reply-to: Timothy J Luoma's message of Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:28:10 -0500 In article <199702261928.OAA10956@peak.org>, Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: > However, recently, the service I was accessing _changed_ such > that I NOW require an 'F11', PREV, NEXT, Page Dn, and Page Up > to navigate. Ugh. However I don't know how to do these keys. Stuart.app might be able to do this however... It can, but you have to use Keyboard.app to map the keys somewhere. I've never found a really satisfactory mapping which didn't screw something else up. For instance, Alternate-[0-9] is annoying, because you lose meta-key. I suppose you could use the keypad somehow. Beyond that, though, keep in mind that function keys (other than PF1-4) are _not_ part of vt100, and are often subject to wildly different interpretations by various vendors. It may work just fine - but it may not work at all, depending ... Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: Compiling mSQL for Nextstep 3.3 Intel and Motorola Message-ID: <E6Gu2p.2Mn@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <33196092.356D@dim.hcuge.ch> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:47:13 GMT In article <33196092.356D@dim.hcuge.ch> Roberto Fabbretti <Roberto.Fabbretti@dim.hcuge.ch> writes: > A friend of mine and myself are trying unsuccessfully to compile msql > 1.16 on Intel and Motorola platform with no success. > On Intel the proble is that after making the target the > make all instruction fails because it does not find the include files, > in particular <paths.h> > On motorola it fails because of a DIRENT problem > > Has anyone a clue??? I found a small textfile about how I got it running on Intel 3.2. (About a year ago, so I don't remember all details, but, as usual, it must have been a quick hack to get it running): There is no "paths.h" in my include path. Did you configure it for the correct target on b*o*t*h systems? The CC=cc thing may not be necessary on your system. I think I had to include it because I did some experiments with new gcc compilers. If you want to use an MiniSQL EOF adaptor, don't use the release 95.12.11 that can be found on some archives. There are a few bugs in this release that were fixed later by Pascal Forget (thanks again). I don't know whether he has uploaded his fixed version, but I can mail it to you if you need it. file: ############ su root in top: "make target" (architecture "NeXT") cd targets/NeXT in conf/site.mm.in: change CC= "@CC@" into "CC= cc" in conf/site.mm.in: EXTRA_CFLAGS= @DEFS@ -I/usr/include/ansi ./setup Defines for directory stuff? (nothing) in common/config.h: #define RETSIGTYPE void in common/portability.h: delete : #ifndef HAVE_U_INT typedef unsigned int u_int; #endif in common/portability.h: delete : ftruncate stuff make ############
From: Joey Sum <jpsum00@mik.uky.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.2 compile error on Pine 3.9x Date: 3 Mar 97 22:55:04 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky Computing Services Message-ID: <jpsum00.857429704@mik.uky.edu> Hi, When trying to compile Pine 3.96 on NS 3.2 black, I get the following error on link: ld: Undefined symbols: .file_definition_libsys_s.B.shlib_getent_pw.o *** Exit 1 The only lib in the makefile.nxt is -ltermcap. I've also gotten this error message on a couple of other programs in the past (NcFTP v1.9x comes to mind). Can someone tell me what other lib I need to include to fulfill this? Thanks, Joey
From: mfuortes@med.cornell.edu (Michele Fuortes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NeXT on a Mac with a DOS card? Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:10:04 -0500 Organization: Leuca Software Message-ID: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> Hi everybody, I'd like to start programming OpenSTEP. The University developer package is $299 which I can afford. I also have a old NeXT cube but I know that would not run 4.x OpenSTEP. So I was thinking about the idea of getting a cheap DOS card for my Macintosh here at home (9150), install OpenSTEP in there and REALLY have the Best of Both World ;-) Is it feasible? Does anybody have any experience with it? I don't see intrinsic limitations. I REALLY don't want to buy a Pentium box just for it (with memory, HD, monitor etc.etc) I don't care if it would be a little slow on a 486 card and I don't want to wait for Rhapsody DR. Any ideas? Thanks a lot
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Difference between OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP (was Re: Silly?) Date: 4 Mar 1997 02:27:19 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5fg1a7$31o@news3.digex.net> References: <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> wrote: > Ok call me an idiot and flame me but Im going to ask this silly > question any way... What is the difference between NEXTSTEP & > OPENSTEP??? BTW thanx to all of you who answered my previous > questions :-) That's a reasonable question, and one that really should be addressed by the FAQ! But don't think it is. Anyway, NEXTSTEP was 'closed' version of all the NeXT goodies. OPENSTEP, will run a lot of the NeXT goodies on any other operating system that supports OPENSTEP libraries. So, a NEXTSTEP version of Create.app (a drawing app), will only run under Mach versions of the operating system made by NeXT. An OPENSTEP version will run on NeXT's Mach version of the operating system AS WELL AS on Solaris OPENSTEP, WindowsNT OPENSTEP, and Windows95 OPENSTEP. So you can see, OPENSTEP is cool, because you can run your favorite app on almost any operating system. Think of it kinda as NEXTSTEP+, a version that is more portable and open. Now there are some really cool things that NEXTSTEP does, that OPENSTEP doesn't...things like Sound, and the 3DKit are available only under NEXTSTEP. What get's confusing is that NeXT's OPENSTEP, has _BOTH_ OPENSTEP libraries AND NEXTSTEP libraries, so NeXT's version can run ALL apps, and take advantage of all features. Whereas versions of OPENSTEP for NT, win95, and Solaris, are PURE OPENSTEP, and don't take advantage of all the other cool kits... Well, that is _generally_ it, and not completely technically thorough, but the general gist of it, I think, is right... Anyway, one thing I suggest, if this, or some other answer later in this thread properly describes the difference...that the answer be added to the FAQs so we can point poor newbies to a coherent answer.... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Jag talar inte svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Silly? Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 18:05:48 +0000 Organization: BEAT productions Message-ID: <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok call me an idiot and flame me but Im going to ask this silly question any way... What is the difference between NEXTSTEP & OPENSTEP??? BTW thanx to all of you who answered my previous questions :-) -- Robb J. Albrecht production manager and bright ideas BEAT productions SF SLO mailto:robbj@fix.net Check out our home page http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/7353/index.html
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: jurgen@oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff) Subject: Q:Reporting tool Message-ID: <E6BKEz.165@oic.de> Sender: news@oic.de Organization: OIC, Bochum, Germany Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:30:35 GMT Hi, I'm looking for reporting tools, but I don't know which report writers are available for OPENSTEP 4.x/Mach and EOF? Can someone give me an advice which tools are available (and usable)? Thank you in advance, Juergen Moellenhoff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <199703022234.RAA13171@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 97 17:34:14 -0500 Subject: Re: accessing 'headers' within mail.app Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 0174b8060650d1bba9687b134ffb3905 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Original Date: 1 Mar 1997 18:00:51 GMT Message-ID: 0174b8060650d1bba9687b134ffb3905 - > How can I 'see' the complete header information that is 'hidden' > within Mail.app's interface? Where is it and how can a find it? > > Mail.app isn't "just another pretty 'interface'" is it? :-) > > Any answers by e-mail, please: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu The Mail.app in 3.3 has Message/Show All Headers, but I think 3.2 and below had no such feature..... While selected on a message you can do a 'copy' and then 'paste' it somewhere and that will show you all the headers.... sort of hacking, I know. If there is some header you always want to see, you can adjust the "Mail MailFilter" dwrite and the "Mail MailMarker" dwrite (the 2nd of which went out of service in 3.3 I believe). Using those two you can adjust which headers are always shown or always hidden. It's been a long time since I used the 3.2 Mail.app, so I'm not sure exactly how it works.... yet another reason to get 3.3 TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) PEAK OpenStep/NeXTStep FTP Site Newly revised and enhanced NeXTStep/OpenStep resources page, over 300 NeXTStep/OpenStep/Rhapsody related links. http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silly? Date: 4 Mar 1997 04:52:18 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5fg9q2$10r@news.platinum.com> References: <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> Cc: robbj@fix.net.com In <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> it appeared that "Robb J. Albrecht" wrote: > Ok call me an idiot and flame me but Im going to ask this silly question > any way... What is the difference between NEXTSTEP & OPENSTEP??? > BTW thanx to all of you who answered my previous questions :-) NeXT has changed the name of their OS from NeXTSTEP (which it was called up until revision 3.3), and now it has two parts... OpenStep -- The portable object oriented API MachOS -- The Mach kernel based, BSD operating system, and user environment OpenStep, the API, is an open standard, also runs on NT, and Solaris. OpenStep for MachOS -- is the whole enchilada. This will be the foundation of the new OS from Apple, known as Rhapsody, and will run on PowerPC and Intel based hardware. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: michael@lanczos.cer.neu.edu (Michael) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Selecting the window in OPENSTEP/Mach for intel 4.1 Date: 4 Mar 1997 05:20:08 GMT Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Message-ID: <5fgbe8$iq@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Hi, I think it is possible to set up workspace so that window is activated by moving cursor into it, rather then clicking. I am not sure how to do it, though. Tips ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: NeXT on a Mac with a DOS card? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E6I5oz.LAF@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:55:46 GMT References: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71>, Michele Fuortes <mfuortes@med.cornell.edu> wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I'd like to start programming OpenSTEP. The University developer package >is $299 which I can afford. I also have a old NeXT cube but I know that >would not run 4.x OpenSTEP. > Your cube *will* run OPENSTEP for Mach 4.x. However, unless you have it stuffed full of RAM it will be slow. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
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From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: 2 Mar 1997 21:46:09 GMT Organization: Frankfurt University Computing Center Message-ID: <5fcsf1$je0@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl wrote: > Subject line says it all. In the next NEXTTOYOU (due March 21st) there will be a solution for any newsreader via a services module that converts any MIME text that you've marked as a block. Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: "Agat-Dnepr" <root@agat-dnepr.dp.ua> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: <none> Date: 4 Mar 1997 11:27:02 +0200 Organization: Agat-Dnepr Sender: news@neon.dp.ua Distribution: su Message-ID: <AA3X-6pOnP@agat-dnepr.dp.ua>
From: "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Difference between OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP (was Re: Silly?) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:08:00 +0000 Organization: BEAT productions Message-ID: <331B3DB0.5C60@fix.net.com> References: <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> <5fg1a7$31o@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > > "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> wrote: > > Ok call me an idiot and flame me but Im going to ask this silly > > question any way... What is the difference between NEXTSTEP & > > OPENSTEP??? BTW thanx to all of you who answered my previous > > questions :-) > > That's a reasonable question, and one that really should be addressed > by the FAQ! But don't think it is. Anyway, NEXTSTEP was 'closed' > version of all the NeXT goodies. OPENSTEP, will run a lot of the > NeXT goodies on any other operating system that supports OPENSTEP > libraries. -----------------------snip------------------------- Hey thanks John, Where can the FAQ for this newsgroup be found? I have a lot of questions about NeXT systems and the software. One more thing, can anyone direct me to a wab site that has pictures of the NeXT systems? I have never even seen what one looks like. -- Robb J. Albrecht production manager and bright ideas BEAT productions SF SLO mailto:robbj@fix.net Check out our home page http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/7353/index.html
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From: kykim@access1.digex.net (Kevin Yungsun Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NSi 3.3 and laptops Date: 4 Mar 1997 13:12:50 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <5fhon2$8hq@access1.digex.net> Summary: what PCMCIA SCSI controllers work Hi all, I want to install NeXTStep 3.3 on my toshiba laptop. Looking around on the NeXT web site, I found that the only PCMCIA SCSI card supported it the Adaptec. I was wondering if anyone out ther has (1) tried this (2) found another PCMCIA SCSI card to work. Thanks, -kevin kykim@access.digex.net
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 14:17:26 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <331C7546.2B4F@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <33177131.1915@running-start.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Eric Hermanson wrote: > > I am having a heck of a time trying to convert .tiff files created and > saved under NEXTSTEP into Windows compatible .ico files.... The solution I found was to use a combination of PhotoShop to convert TIFF to BMP (Perhaps there is a free converter. I happened to have Photoshop so I didn't look). and EasyIcons/Icon Easel for Windows 95/NT to load/edit/save Icons. It is shareware and costs about $33 Check it out at: http://www.easyapps.com/ I have no affiliation with EasyApps or Adobe (although I wish I did :-) -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: krgue@nps.navy.mil (Kevin R Gue) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Openstep Solaris install question Date: 4 Mar 1997 16:47:37 GMT Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, CA Message-ID: <5fhjn9$iau@nps.navy.mil> I've recently installed Openstep for Solaris, but can't seem to get it up and running. When logging in, I select "Openstep Desktop" from the session menu, and the session starts up as a dressed up Open Windows (ugh) session. The windows have Openstep frames, etc, but I can't start Workspace or Edit or any such applications. Perhaps I am running "Openstep under Open Windows", as the online documentation says. If I start a session in CDE or plain Open Windows, and type "openstep", I get, "The X-server is not running or the DPS compositing operators are not present" How do I get to *real* Openstep?? Many thanks, --Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin R. Gue, Ph.D. | krgue@nps.navy.mil Department of Systems Management | Tel: (408) 656-4299 Naval Postgraduate School | Fax: (408) 656-3407 Monterey, CA 93943 | http://vislab-www.nps.navy.mil/~krgue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Dale Friesen" <dfriesen@amtsgi.bc.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT on a Mac with a DOS card? Date: 4 Mar 97 13:23:25 -0800 Organization: Island Net on Vancouver Island B.C. Canada Message-ID: <AF41D2DB-14F38F@198.53.175.34> References: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.islandnet.com/comp.sys.next.misc :Hi everybody, : :I'd like to start programming OpenSTEP. The University developer package :is $299 which I can afford. I also have a old NeXT cube but I know that :would not run 4.x OpenSTEP. : :So I was thinking about the idea of getting a cheap DOS card for my :Macintosh here at home (9150), install OpenSTEP in there and REALLY have :the Best of Both World ;-) : :Is it feasible? Does anybody have any experience with it? :I don't see intrinsic limitations. :I REALLY don't want to buy a Pentium box just for it (with memory, HD, :monitor etc.etc) :I don't care if it would be a little slow on a 486 card and I don't want :to wait for Rhapsody DR. : :Any ideas? : :Thanks a lot : Along the same lines, I'm going to need a Mac some time in the next few months that will be able to run DOS apps after I drop Rhapsody on it. Should I get a PowerMac with a DOS card and hope the latter still runs under Rhapsody? Should I get a Pentium and hope Rhapsody's ported to it? I need a good computer now (any computer) but by mid-1998 it will need to be both NeXT and DOS compatible. Thanks for any input.
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From: tralala@mlink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WTB: DTP software for NeXT Cube Date: 5 Mar 1997 09:24:09 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <5fje3p$h64@supernews.login.net> References: <tj-0403971346560001@i527.oro.net> In-Reply-To: <tj-0403971346560001@i527.oro.net> Check out SuperDraw 4 at: http://www.mlink.net/~tralala/English/index.html ------------------------------------------------ On 03/04/97, Thomas Ferreira wrote: > New or used. What do you have available. > > Tom >
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does the /dev directory need to be configured? Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:11:59 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <331D8D3F.5109@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to reach my serial port with C-Kermit. When I enter SET LINE /dev/cua, I get the response; Can't open connection: /dev/cua: No such device Is there something I need to do to configure the devices to make them accessable? --gh
From: DKNOX@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (David Knox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AppleTalk package on NS3.2 CD?? Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 10:04:55 EST Organization: University of Georgia Message-ID: <17B288DC7S86.DKNOX@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Greetings NeXT enthusiasts, I discovered in the NS3.2 (black) documentation that the CD is supposed to have an AppleTalk package on it which can be installed and then accessed through the Preferences. Does anyone know if it did come with 3.2? If so, where is it? If it did not does anyone know how and where I can get the package? Thank you for your help.
From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Difference between OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP (was Re: Silly?) Date: 4 Mar 1997 17:26:49 GMT Organization: Universite Laval Message-ID: <5fhm0p$t84$1@athena.ulaval.ca> References: <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> <5fg1a7$31o@news3.digex.net> <331B3DB0.5C60@fix.net.com> Cc: robbj@fix.net.com You will find the FAQ and much more at http://www.stepwise.com/ Regards, ------------------------------------------------------- Antoine Gautier (antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca) ------------------------------------------------------- Professeur, De'partement OSD Faculte' des Sciences de l'Administration Universite' Laval http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/gautiera/ In <331B3DB0.5C60@fix.net.com> "Robb J. Albrecht" wrote: % Where can the FAQ for this newsgroup be found? I have a lot of questions % about NeXT systems and the software. One more thing, can anyone direct % me to a wab site that has pictures of the NeXT systems? I have never % even seen what one looks like. %
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Difference between OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP (was Re: Silly?) Date: 6 Mar 1997 01:16:13 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5fl5st$jb9@news4.digex.net> References: <331B12FC.411D@fix.net.com> <5fg1a7$31o@news3.digex.net> <331B3DB0.5C60@fix.net.com> "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> wrote: > Hey thanks John, Where can the FAQ for this newsgroup be found? > I have a lot of questions about NeXT systems and the software. > One more thing, can anyone direct me to a wab site that has > pictures of the NeXT systems? I have never even seen what one > looks like. My web site has screen shots of the environment, and a link to the FAQs. It's in the sig below, check it out :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Jag talar inte svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: Stefano Pagiola <spagiola@worldbank.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NextStep for Intel. Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:34:03 -0500 Organization: World Bank Message-ID: <331AEF6B.9C1@worldbank.org> References: <01bc2673$d78f0460$71b797ce@jeanladu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Paul Ladue wrote: > Where can I find information on NextStep for Intel? I wednt to the Next > website but had no luck, all I found was a bunch info about OpenStep. Also > what is the academic price for NextStep. Thanks. The shipping version of NeXTSTEP is now called OPENSTEP for Mach. So what' you want is the Intel version of that. -- Stefano Pagiola 850 N Randolph Str No.817, Arlington VA 22203, USA All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: roland@onevision.de (Roland Schwingel) Subject: Bootpd with DHCP Message-ID: <E6M7C3.7Mn@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:21:39 GMT Hi, I know, that there was a thread quite a while ago, but I didn't have it. I know that there is a patched version of bootpd with DHCP. Does anyone know, where I can get it ? Thanks, Roland -- ============================================================================ Roland Schwingel OneVision GmbH Developer Zeissstrasse 9 Email:roland@onevision.de 93053 Regensburg (NextMail,MIME welcome) Germany ============================================================================
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WTB: DTP software for NeXT Cube Date: 6 Mar 1997 16:48:37 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5fmsh5$7sl@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <tj-0403971346560001@i527.oro.net> In-Reply-To: <tj-0403971346560001@i527.oro.net> On 03/04/97, Thomas Ferreira wrote: > New or used. What do you have available. > PasteUp: pasteup@afs.com OneVision: http://onevision.de/ (yes, no www.) Create: http://www.stone.com/ SuperDraw: http://www.mlink.net/~tralala/English/ I'm sure there are others... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT on a Mac with a DOS card? Date: 6 Mar 1997 16:46:03 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Message-ID: <joel-0603970843370001@mfs-annex1-p23.dsphere.net> References: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> <AF41D2DB-14F38F@198.53.175.34> >:I'd like to start programming OpenSTEP. The University developer package >:is $299 which I can afford. I also have a old NeXT cube but I know that >:would not run 4.x OpenSTEP. Actually, the cube will run Openstep. That's your best bet for the short term. >:So I was thinking about the idea of getting a cheap DOS card for my >:Macintosh here at home (9150), install OpenSTEP in there and REALLY have >:the Best of Both World ;-) A WGS 9150 at home? Anyway, the DOS cards cannot run nextstep. They can't run any OS that is not DOS based unfortunately... >:I don't see intrinsic limitations. The limitations are that there is no physical hardware connected to a harddrive. The card uses a custom bios to access your mac hard drive. Since Nextstep is an operating system, it doesn't do it's calls through the bios, it accesses the hardware directly, which in the case of the dos card, isn't there... >Along the same lines, I'm going to need a Mac some time in the next few >months that will be able to run DOS apps after I drop Rhapsody on it. >Should I get a PowerMac with a DOS card and hope the latter still runs >under Rhapsody? Should I get a Pentium and hope Rhapsody's ported to it? I >need a good computer now (any computer) but by mid-1998 it will need to be >both NeXT and DOS compatible. Rhapsody will run on a pentium. The problem is that as expressed so far, that configuration will not run mac apps. You will be able to run rhapsody apps as they are produced, but no mac apps. Get a wicked mac with a dos card, you can do both now really well, and when rhapsody is released, if the dos card no longer works, you can always run softwindows, or at least dual boot your machine into system 7.x and use the dos card. Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Bootpd with DHCP Date: 6 Mar 1997 18:20:14 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5fn1su$sfb@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <E6M7C3.7Mn@onevision.de> In article <E6M7C3.7Mn@onevision.de> roland@onevision.de (Roland Schwingel) writes: > I know, that there was a thread quite a while ago, but I didn't > have it. I know that there is a patched version of bootpd with > DHCP. Does anyone know, where I can get it ? I'm working on the port now. I'll upload the completed product soon. source: ftp://ftp.ntplx.net/pub/networking/bootp/ -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <22496856059808@digifix.com> Date: 6 Mar 1997 20:42:14 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5437857680935@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. 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To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT printing Message-ID: <1997Mar6.162312.28047@indyvax.iupui.edu> From: dalaw@austerlitz.iupui.edu (Dale Law) Date: 6 Mar 97 16:23:11 -0500 Has anyone succeeded in getting a NeXTstation to print to an Apple LaserWriter 12/640 PS? The printer has its¹ own ip address and I have entered everything on the NeXT for doing lpd printing, but nothing ever emerges. I would prefer to go the TCP/IP route rather than trying to use AppleTalk since that is currently so unwieldy. Please send responses directly to me. -- Dale K. Law Technical Assistant IU School of Journalism at Indianapolis (317) 274-2976 dalaw@gutenberg.iupui.edu CompuServe: 74776,2016
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@onevision.de (Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: WTB: DTP software for NeXT Cube Message-ID: <E6nysx.AIn@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <5fmsh5$7sl@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:12:33 GMT In article <5fmsh5$7sl@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > On 03/04/97, Thomas Ferreira wrote: > > New or used. What do you have available. > > > PasteUp: pasteup@afs.com > > OneVision: http://onevision.de/ (yes, no www.) > really? the last time I tried I could use the www.onevision.de... ====================================================================== Hans Stoeger OneVision GmbH Support Zeiss-Strasse 9 Email: hans@onevision.de D-93053 Regensburg No big mails, Please! Germany
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does the /dev directory need to be configured? Date: 7 Mar 1997 13:33:54 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5fp5g2$hkd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <331D8D3F.5109@smart.net> gh@smart.net wrote: >I am trying to reach my serial port with C-Kermit. >When I enter SET LINE /dev/cua, I get the response; > Can't open connection: /dev/cua: No such device > >Is there something I need to do to configure the >devices to make them accessable? Yes.. if you intend to use cua/cufa with kermit under a non root userid (not a bad idea, because you then can run NXFax or other fax software on the same port using /dev/ttyfa) you run into difficulties with the permissions. Under OS4.1, the default permissions are: crw------- 1 uucp 11,224 Oct 1 19:19 /dev/cufa crw------- 1 uucp 11,192 Oct 1 19:19 /dev/cua Since local security was no issue for my machine at home, I simple used chmod a+rw /dev/ttycufa and am a happy camper ever since. Please note that you should use cufa rather then cua, since it gives you hardware flow control, assuming you are not using an older 68030 machine. Hope this helps, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP opening NeXT ADB mouse Date: 7 Mar 1997 14:20:03 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5fp86j$hkd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5fdm8l$aaf@ttacs7.ttu.edu> seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have an adb mouse and sometimes the left mouse button sticks when >pressed. i have to click the button again to release it. > >i would like to open the mouse and clean it. Most probably the little switch is dying. A replacement switch can easily be soldered in. I think DigiKey part CH164-ND fits in an ADB mouse, too, but you better open the little beast and look for yourself. >how do i open the mouse? (i removed the two screws that are visible but >the mouse won't come apart.) I haven't opened an ADB mouse in a long time, but maybe a screw or two are hidden underneath stickers. HTH, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: hcs@interport.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ppp under ns 3.0 Date: 7 Mar 1997 17:04:06 GMT Organization: Interport Communications Corp. Message-ID: <hcs-0703971205580001@hcs.port.net> Simple question: is there a version of ppp for ns 3.0 with a graphical front-end? Thought I some info about something like this posted here about a month back. Thanks.
From: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk (Neville Wilford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Arrow keys in c-shell on OS4.0 Intel? Date: 7 Mar 1997 19:45:53 GMT Organization: (dis)organised Message-ID: <5fpr9h$pr@phaedrus.demon.co.uk> Greetings. I'm running OS4.0 on a homebuilt Intel box fairly successfully. I have been trying to follow the instructions in Bernhard Scholz's excellent FAQ on Peanuts in order to enable use of the cursor/arrow keys in a c-shell terminal window. I have added the appropriate lines to my .cshrc and created a suitable indings file, even figured out how to use a preceeding <Cntrl>Q to enter control characters in emacs. If I create what the FAQ tells me my .macros file should be; A^A^@^@^@^P B^A^@^@^@^N C^A^@^@^@^F D^A^@^@^@^B where every caret ^ represents a control character, this doesn't work. The previous bracket sequences are gone but I can't use the cursor keys to move in a terminal window as I would like. Can anyone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? If some generous person could perhaps send me a suitable Intel .macros file in NeXT or MIME mail format, this would be terrific. Is this something which worked in NS 3.x but was broken in OS 4.x? Many thanks, Neville Wilford -- Internet: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk CompuServe: 100042,3501 j.n.wilford@ncl.ac.uk PGP 2.x public key available
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: AppleTalk package on NS3.2 CD?? Message-ID: <E6q3tx.7vy@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <17B288DC7S86.DKNOX@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:56:20 GMT In article <17B288DC7S86.DKNOX@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> DKNOX@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (David Knox) writes: > Greetings NeXT enthusiasts, I discovered in the NS3.2 (black) > documentation that the CD is supposed to have an AppleTalk package > on it which can be installed and then accessed through the Preferences. > Does anyone know if it did come with 3.2? If so, where is it? If > it did not does anyone know how and where I can get the package? > Thank you for your help. > There's a known problem with respect to the quality of the online manuals, namely orphaned, unremoved topics. And you ran into one of these... Apple(Ether)Talk support used to be there in NS 3.0 and was discontinued (omongst others) in NS 3.1. Old dilemma: there was a number of very interesting features in NS 3.0. But there are also numbers of nagging bugs that were removed in NS 3.1... -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: Dujourdy Stephane <Stephane.Dujourdy@Wanadoo.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXT search Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 19:11:56 +0100 Organization: Interactive TV Consultant - Amiga/PC/Mac dev. Message-ID: <3321ABEC.4E@Wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello from France, for sentimental history i search a Next Computer. Send me by mail your proposition. Bye Stef
From: keith@cambra.com (Keith J. Cambra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT T-shirts? Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:01:49 -0800 Organization: Sprynet News Service Message-ID: <keith-0303972301490001@ad23-020.compuserve.com> can you still get NeXT t-shirts? please reply to keith@cambra.com thanks - keith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nicholas Heer <heer@eskimo.com> Subject: Seattle area NeXT consultation sought Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970308122345.20323B-100000@eskimo.com> Originator: heer@eskimo.com Sender: news@eskimo.com (News User Id) Cc: Tom Hicks <tomh@cyberzine.org> Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:25:57 GMT SUBJECT: Seattle area NeXT consultation sought. Seattle area NeXT consultation sought for blackbox. Bothell. Needs, Networking solutions Internet connectivity Network blackbox to WIN95 Install NeXTStep on WIN95 Contact: Tom Hicks tomh@cyberzine.org 206-806-1439
From: Isaac <isaac@pobox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NeXT on a Mac with a DOS card? Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:24:03 -0500 Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970306101913.20654A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> References: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Michele Fuortes wrote: > I'd like to start programming OpenSTEP. The University developer package > is $299 which I can afford. I also have a old NeXT cube but I know that > would not run 4.x OpenSTEP. As I'm sure someone's told you, the cube (provided it's an 040) will run Openstep, albeit slowly. > So I was thinking about the idea of getting a cheap DOS card for my > Macintosh here at home (9150), install OpenSTEP in there and REALLY have > the Best of Both World ;-) Apple's DOS cards are exactly that - DOS cards. They only work with DOS-based operating systems (which includes Windows95, but not NT). Neither NEXTSTEP or Openstep will run on Apple's cards... HOWEVER: Orange Micro sells PC-compatibility cards that they advertise as NT-compatible. It may be possible to install NEXTSTEP or OpenStep/Mach on one of those cards. Even if it isn't, OpenStep/NT may run if you have NT running on the card. -Isaac
From: ErikB@iprolink.ch (Erik Bussink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cost on NextStep for x86 ? Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:55:45 GMT Message-ID: <3321d7d9.245720747@news.iprolink.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the cost on NeXTstep for the intel platform ? Where can I buy the product. Erik Bussink erikb@iprolink.ch
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NeXT on a Mac with a DOS card? Date: 9 Mar 1997 05:27:39 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -no- @pm247-19.dialip.mich.net Message-ID: <5fthob$ir$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <mfuortes-0303972110040001@140.251.4.71> <Pine.LNX.3.95.970306101913.20654A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> Cc: isaac@pobox.com In <Pine.LNX.3.95.970306101913.20654A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> Isaac wrote: > HOWEVER: > > Orange Micro sells PC-compatibility cards that they advertise as > NT-compatible. It may be possible to install NEXTSTEP or OpenStep/Mach on > one of those cards. Even if it isn't, OpenStep/NT may run if you have > NT running on the card. > > -Isaac > > Do you know more about the company? Thanks Rudy. -- Rudy Blazek Michigan State University blazek@stt.msu.edu Department of Statistics & Probability
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <5437857680935@digifix.com> Date: 9 Mar 1997 05:25:33 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <7353857885137@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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From: seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Newbie question : Hard Disk Space Date: 8 Mar 1997 22:12:53 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <5fso95$1jp@ttacs7.ttu.edu> how much hard disk space will i need to install just NS 3.3 User? also, has anyone tried to install NS 3.3 on a Sharp PC 8700 notebook computer? hs
From: troch@lonestar.texas.com (Rod Troch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,houston.wanted,houston.general Subject: HOUSTON Texas NeXT Assistance Needed Date: 09 Mar 1997 21:47:22 -0600 Organization: Don't mess with TEXAS Sender: troch@lonestar.texas.com Message-ID: <m3pvx8l86t.fsf@lonestar.texas.com> I recently purchased the very same NeXT machine I cut my teeth on years ago, the machine is in the EXACT same configuration it was years ago, that is an 030 cube, OD, and NeXTSTEP v1.0. The cube has a failing hard drive. I have a replacement 300Mb SCSI drive on its way and am now looking for someone local to Houston Texas that wouldn't mind giving me a hand. I am in the market to buy NeXTSTEP 3.2 or 3.3 (I have heard that 3.3 will run like a dog on an 030 but 3.2 won't) but need some way to get that CD ROM format onto the HD. I would love to hear from anyone who wouldn't mind helping me 'builddisk' to the new HD on their system. I am more then willing to pay you for your time. Thanks, Rod (troch@texas.com) -- Rod Troch N2ZVV | troch@texas.com | Don't mess with TEXAS. http://www.texas.com/ | ftp://lonestar.texas.com/ | FTP for PGP key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: edew@netcom.com (Eric Dew) Subject: Re: NeXT T-shirts? Message-ID: <edewE6tAyD.DGM@netcom.com> Sender: edew@netcom2.netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <keith-0303972301490001@ad23-020.compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 05:23:00 GMT In article <keith-0303972301490001@ad23-020.compuserve.com> keith@cambra.com (Keith J. Cambra) writes: > > >can you still get NeXT t-shirts? > >please reply to keith@cambra.com > >thanks - keith Sure, the short sleeves are $895 and the long sleeves are $2599. :-) EDEW
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does the /dev directory need to be configured? Date: 10 Mar 1997 11:38:45 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5g0rs5$3d0$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <331D8D3F.5109@smart.net> <5fp5g2$hkd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> In comp.sys.next.misc Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> wrote: : gh@smart.net wrote: : >I am trying to reach my serial port with C-Kermit. : >When I enter SET LINE /dev/cua, I get the response; : > Can't open connection: /dev/cua: No such device : > : >Is there something I need to do to configure the : >devices to make them accessable? : Yes.. if you intend to use cua/cufa with kermit under : a non root userid (not a bad idea, because you then : can run NXFax or other fax software on the same port : using /dev/ttyfa) you run into difficulties with the : permissions. Under OS4.1, the default permissions are: : crw------- 1 uucp 11,224 Oct 1 19:19 /dev/cufa : crw------- 1 uucp 11,192 Oct 1 19:19 /dev/cua I don't think the permissions are the problem he has. Note that the error message was 'no such device' which leads to the conclusion that he did not install the PortServer (When using the new serial drivers, which I would strongly recommend, you have to install a driver named PortServer or TTY Port Server or somesuch, else the devices won't be there). -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,mi.jobs,oh.jobs Subject: NEXT/Career Position/Relo/Ex opp/ILL Date: 10 Mar 1997 15:00:23 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5g17m7$ll5@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXT---Commercial experience Objective C---Commercial experience Area---Greater Chicago area Relocation---Company assistance Opportunity---Excellent Must Be---US Citizen or Greencard To Be Considered---Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: kinselle@ohsu.edu (Doug Kinsella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: NeXTPrinter off a Win95 PC Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:36:32 GMT Organization: OHSU Message-ID: <kinselle.18.33248CF0@ohsu.edu> Two part request for help. I have a pentium with Win95, and a NeXTPrinter & NeXTStation (NS2.1, 100Mb drive, 8Mb RAM & NOT the developer's version). The computers are not networked. Also, I can't afford an upgrade to NS > Ver 2.1 right now. 1. Top priority: What I would like to do is print directly to the NeXTPrinter from the PC. Already I can transfer, via DOS diskette, small files I create with Adobe PageMaker 6.5's NeXT Printer driver. Then I print them with lpr. Looking at the NeXT Printer's DB-9 Pin-Signal definition, I am thinking that a simple connection to one of the PC's serial ports isn't going to fly... But, I am no expert in this. Is it possible to print directly to the NeXT Printer from a PC serial port? And, if so, any advice on how to do the wiring would be most appreciated. 2. I wish they could talk... I am considering teaching myself about TCP/IP networking with my setup. I think I might understand enough to make the thin ethernet connection and set up the TCP/IP connect. Would anyone care to recommend a Win95 reference and/or advize me about how to go about setting up the software needed to enable me to transfer files with more than ftp, and maybe! to even print from Win95 through the NeXT to the NeXT printer. Do I need to get an NFS for Win95 product? Thank you, thank you, thank you... Doug Kinsella Oregon Health Sciences University kinselle@ohsu.edu or this newsgroup.
From: jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AppleTalk for OpenStep 4.1? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:42:45 -0500 Organization: TofuSoft Message-ID: <jchan-1003971842460001@as4-1.apk.net> Just what happend to Appletalk and Novell for OpenStep 4.1? I don't see any apps to configure for these protocols in the NeXTAdmin folder. Can I run CAP under OpenStep 4.1? --- The Evil Tofu (Only Human)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.object.corba,comp.object,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: seitzman@netcom.com (Brian H. Seitzman) Subject: *** NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP EXPERTS NEEDED! *** Message-ID: <seitzmanE6us37.Ew4@netcom.com> Organization: Optimum - San Francisco, CA Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:30:43 GMT Sender: seitzman@netcom17.netcom.com We have a number of positions available for people who've done significant work on the NeXTSTEP and OpenStep platforms. If you've got 1 or more years of experience, Optimum can be of help in finding you your next career opportunity! If you're interested in being considered for positions in engineering, administration or QA on the NeXTSTEP or OpenStep platforms, get in touch! -- Best regards, Brian H. Seitzman Technical Recruiter, Optimum Phone: (415) 863-2700 Fax: (415) 863-2777 E-mail: seitzman@netcom.com URL: http://www.crl.com/~optimum
From: ian@peacesummit.com (Ian Upright) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.3 Install disks for black Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:22:03 -0800 Organization: Peace Summit Technologies, Inc. Message-ID: <3341eb71.291061163@news.jumppoint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone, somehow, do me a great favour and email me the NS 3.3 install and driver floppy disks for the black hardware? I lost mine. Thanks, Ian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peace Summit Technologies ian@peacesummit.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.peacesummit.com/ian/home.html
From: rdingman@cc.mcafee.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Newbie question : Hard Disk Space Date: 11 Mar 1997 17:21:42 GMT Organization: McAfee Associates, Inc. Message-ID: <5g44b6$2t2@news.mcafee.com> References: <5fso95$1jp@ttacs7.ttu.edu> To install NS3.3(everything in English) it takes about 250MB. ryan
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AppleTalk for OpenStep 4.1? Date: 11 Mar 1997 17:55:17 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5g46a5$mm$2@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <jchan-1003971842460001@as4-1.apk.net> Cc: jchan@apk.net In <jchan-1003971842460001@as4-1.apk.net> Jerome Chan wrote: > Just what happend to Appletalk and Novell for OpenStep 4.1? I don't see > any apps to configure for these protocols in the NeXTAdmin folder. > > Can I run CAP under OpenStep 4.1? > > According to reports from some CAPer users you can. See http://www.this.net/~frank/next_cap.html -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Subject: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Message-ID: <E6w77K.72@nvc.cc.ca.us> Sender: news@nvc.cc.ca.us Organization: Napa Valley College Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:54:55 GMT I've got a Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST34371W drive that has had it's block size changed to 2048. When I change it back to 512, it still leaves the sector count at only 2million. How can I convince it that it's not a 1gig drive, but that it's actually a 4gig drive and should have over 8million sectors? -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
From: Ivo Welch <ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Diagram2 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:23:16 -0800 Organization: The Anderson School at UCLA Message-ID: <3325F774.2A425209@anderson.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: I have switched from NeXTStep to linux a couple of months ago. Unfortunately, I just discovered that I have a legacy diagram2 figure that I need to be able to insert into a latex document. Could someone please load this figure for me into a working diagram!2 app, save it as an .EPS file, and email the .EPS file? Help appreciated. Regards, /ivo welch -- Ivo Welch mailto:ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu ---------------------------- Ivo Welch.............. http://linux.agsm.ucla.edu/ UCLA AGSM Finance...... http://www.agsm.ucla.edu/finance/ Int'l WWW/Email Dirctry http://linux.agsm.ucla.edu/dir/ -- ---------------------------- --
From: Huiyang Yang <yang@focus.berkeley.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: want to read mail in Chinese and Japanese Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:47:10 -0800 Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <3325B6BE.167E@focus.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am using NeXT Electronic Mail Reader to read e-mail. Is it possible to read the mails in Chinese (GB or Big5) or Japanese? and how? Thanks Huiyang
From: spamblock.jimmilz@worldnet.att.net (Jim Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:44:29 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <332641a1.4099545@netnews.worldnet.att.net> References: <E6w77K.72@nvc.cc.ca.us> fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) wrote: > >I've got a Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST34371W drive that has had it's >block size changed to 2048. When I change it back to 512, it still >leaves the sector count at only 2million. How can I convince it that >it's not a 1gig drive, but that it's actually a 4gig drive and should >have over 8million sectors? > >-- >Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College >707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. >707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 ><fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx> After issuing the command to set the blocksize to 512 (mode page 03h bytes 12 and 13), are you sending the FORMAT UNIT command to the drive? Regards, Jim Miller Chicagoland
From: jork@dvs-hannover.de (Ralf Jork) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi Date: 12 Mar 1997 10:50:40 GMT Organization: DVS GmbH Hannover Message-ID: <5g61q0$7l@neptun.dvs-hannover.de> References: <E6w77K.72@nvc.cc.ca.us> Chris Osborn (fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us) wrote: : I've got a Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST34371W drive that has had it's : block size changed to 2048. When I change it back to 512, it still : leaves the sector count at only 2million. How can I convince it that : it's not a 1gig drive, but that it's actually a 4gig drive and should : have over 8million sectors? Set the appropriate number of blocks in the block descriptor for a Mode Select command (all 0 or 0xFF might work as well - depending from manufacturer and model). See the Seagate "Disc Drive ... Product Manual, Volume 2" for more info. -- Ralf.
From: Don McKinnon <Don.McKinnon@mail.house.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I need software support help in DC Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:39:16 -0500 Organization: U.S. House of Representatives Message-ID: <3326B204.2CD0@mail.house.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no NeXT skills. I have a slab I've been using since 1990 and I need to hire someone to fix a few bugs that have accumulated: I can connect to Novell server, but I can't get printer connectivity. My memory seems to run out and crash everything. I need to have someone help me set up my modem. If its possible, I'd like to be able to connect to an NT server and to determine if I could run NeXT and Windows 95 from the same machine. If you or someone you know could help, please let me know what your hourly rate would be. Thanks and regards, Don McKinnon 202 225 2770
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Message-ID: <E6xz85.CDK@nvc.cc.ca.us> Sender: news@nvc.cc.ca.us Organization: Napa Valley College References: <E6w77K.72@nvc.cc.ca.us> <5g61q0$7l@neptun.dvs-hannover.de> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:57:41 GMT In article <5g61q0$7l@neptun.dvs-hannover.de>, Ralf Jork <jork@dvs-hannover.de> wrote: >Set the appropriate number of blocks in the block descriptor for a >Mode Select command (all 0 or 0xFF might work as well - depending >from manufacturer and model). >See the Seagate "Disc Drive ... Product Manual, Volume 2" for more info. It has been getting set to all 0, but the drive doesn't want to change the sector count. In fact, after formatting, when you do a MODE SENSE, the drive returns the number of blocks as 0. How do I know what the appropriate number of blocks *should* be? I can guess, but I don't know it precisely. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Message-ID: <E6xz26.CCx@nvc.cc.ca.us> Sender: news@nvc.cc.ca.us Organization: Napa Valley College References: <E6w77K.72@nvc.cc.ca.us> <332641a1.4099545@netnews.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:54:05 GMT In article <332641a1.4099545@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, Jim Miller <spamblock.jimmilz@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >After issuing the command to set the blocksize to 512 (mode page 03h >bytes 12 and 13), are you sending the FORMAT UNIT command to the >drive? Yes, that's what I've been doing. Unfortunately the drive doesn't want to change its sector count from what it was when the block size was at 2048. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
From: Ivo Welch <ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Diagram2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:16:31 -0800 Organization: The Anderson School at UCLA Message-ID: <3326F2FF.765EB1C5@anderson.ucla.edu> References: <3325F774.2A425209@anderson.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the overwhelming response. I already found someone. For those of you wondering why I switched, it was my assessment that OpenStep as a Unix-platform based machine was dead. Quite a pity, but I just needed modern updated unix tools. Regards, /ivo -- Ivo Welch mailto:ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu ---------------------------- Ivo Welch.............. http://linux.agsm.ucla.edu/ UCLA AGSM Finance...... http://www.agsm.ucla.edu/finance/ Int'l WWW/Email Dirctry http://linux.agsm.ucla.edu/dir/ -- ---------------------------- --
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From: "Glenn P. Davis" <davis@unidata.ucar.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing TO Black printer from NT Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:07:37 -0700 Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research/Boulder, CO Message-ID: <33271B19.167E@unidata.ucar.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: We have 68040 NeXT Cube with attached NeXT printer. On the same net is a WINtel box running NT 4.0. The NT machine can be configured to use UNIX lpd services from another machine, such as the Cube. However, I need to tell NT what kind of printer it is. NeXT 400dpi is _not_ one of the choices listed. (Why are we not surprised?) I've had some luck using the "Apple Personal Laserwriter" selection, but occasionally things foul up. Any suggestions for a better choice? I note that down in the bowels of the NT spool area there are a couple of human readable / editable printer description files. Has anyone generated one of these that is appropriate for the black printer/NeXT PostScript engine? Thanks. Glenn P. Davis davis@unidata.ucar.edu UCAR / Unidata PO Box 3000 3300 Mitchell Lane, Suite 170 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 Boulder, CO 80301 (303) 497 8643
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <199703112334.SAA10233@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 5792999972767c8c31dcbfa4bce6080d - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 18:34:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Arrow keys in c-shell on OS4.0 Intel? Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 5792999972767c8c31dcbfa4bce6080d - Responding To: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk (Neville Wilford) Original Date: 7 Mar 1997 19:45:53 GMT Message-ID: 5792999972767c8c31dcbfa4bce6080d - > I'm running OS4.0 on a homebuilt Intel box fairly successfully. I > have been trying to follow the instructions in Bernhard Scholz's > excellent FAQ on Peanuts in order to enable use of the cursor/arrow > keys in a c-shell terminal window. Wow..... There is a MUCH simpler way. Get tcsh: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/loginshells/tcsh.6.06.NIHS.b.gz which should be FULLY compatible with csh, and the arrow keys work automatically. (note: add tcsh to somewhere like /usr/local/bin/ and add /usr/local/bin/tcsh to /etc/shells) ZSH is a much better shell, but if you like csh and want arrow keys, tcsh is the easiest way, and it is already compiled TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> *Intel-bound thanks to Bifrost!* We are working on the FTP problems at PEAK, thanks for your patience.
From: Dan Bikle <dbikle@rahul.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need model# for 400dpi toner cartridge Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 13 Mar 1997 08:56:30 GMT Organization: Bikle Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5g8ffu$6m5@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-User: dbikle Keywords: NeXT horizontal streaks Hi NeXT fans, This post is coming from a NeXT I *JUST* dredged out of my closet. It's running "3.0". The chip is a 68040 and it resides on a card in one of those boat-anchor-magnesium-cubes (not the pizza box style). I think it was manufactured about 1991 or 2. After I dusted him off and connected the periphs.... I pressed that magic button on the keyboard. It ... booted HURRAY!!!! Next, I tried out the 400dpi printer. I encountered a small problem. Portrait oriented printouts have horizontal streaks running across the page. I think maybe a new toner cartridge might solve this. If memory serves me right, the toner cartridge for the 400dpi printer is identical as the toner cartridge for some kind of Apple laser printer. So, that is my long winded way of asking: Where do I get a toner cartridge for a: "NeXT 400 dpi Level II Printer" ?? Or... Whats the model # of that identical Apple laser printer cartridge? Thanks so much... -Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel B. Bikle/Independent Oracle Consultant dbikle@alumni.caltech.edu | 415/941-6276 | P.O. BOX 1401 LOS ALTOS CA 94023 http://www.rahul.net/dbikle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <199703112344.SAA10349@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 20f5ff5ba675cf4f14d6fce9efea6b6b - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 18:44:33 -0500 Subject: Re: AppleTalk for OpenStep 4.1? Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 20f5ff5ba675cf4f14d6fce9efea6b6b - Responding To: jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) Original Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:42:45 -0500 Message-ID: 20f5ff5ba675cf4f14d6fce9efea6b6b - > Can I run CAP under OpenStep 4.1? There is a major CAP project underway for NeXTStep/OpenStep. You can find it linked to my 'other sites' page (under NeXT Users or Apps I think) http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> *Intel-bound thanks to Bifrost!* We are working on the FTP problems at PEAK, thanks for your patience.
From: mwerner@informatik.hu-berlin.de (Matthias Werner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Laptop for NeXTStep Date: 13 Mar 1997 12:57:43 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Message-ID: <5g8tk7$m4h@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Hi, We are searching for a laptop that is able to run under NeXTStep (3.3) We just got bad experiences with a TOSHIBA Satellite200CDS, since * there is no display driver for 800x600 available * there is no CMOS setup program, only programs for DOS/Win95 * the driver support for network and sound is at least questionable * the support (for NeXTStep) is zero. Does anybody know a laptop that meet our "high" demands? Did anybody get good (or bad) experience with a special computer? Thanx, Matthias
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: d562180a488d041f3977506f580f4bdf - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 10:50:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: d562180a488d041f3977506f580f4bdf - Responding To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Original Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:54:55 GMT Message-ID: d562180a488d041f3977506f580f4bdf - > I've got a Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST34371W drive that has had it's > block size changed to 2048. When I change it back to 512, it still > leaves the sector count at only 2million. How can I convince it > that it's not a 1gig drive, but that it's actually a 4gig drive and > should have over 8million sectors? If you have partitions of LESS than 2.0 gig then NS can recognize the size of it. If it is 2.0 or over, then you won't get NS to recognize it. Someone also said recently that NS won't allow more than one NS partition per drive. This is one of the more frequently asked FAQs. TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703121542.KAA08763@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 36c453f56f38515880ccaa69f01a5123 - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 10:42:28 -0500 Subject: Re: NS 3.3 Install disks for black Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 36c453f56f38515880ccaa69f01a5123 - Responding To: ian@peacesummit.com (Ian Upright) Original Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:22:03 -0800 Message-ID: 36c453f56f38515880ccaa69f01a5123 - > Could someone, somehow, do me a great favour and email me the NS > 3.3 install and driver floppy disks for the black hardware? I lost > mine. They can be found in NeXTanswers. If you can't find them, check my page, I think they are there, under http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ (goto "other sites" and then "NeXTAnswers") Let me know if you still can't find them TjL
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ethernet card problems Date: 13 Mar 1997 15:57:30 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5g985a$4h0@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> Briefly, here is the problem that I am having. (1) An Ethernet card on one of our systems failed. The systems have been functioning for months. I am certain it was the card because when I used the same card on another machine, that machine gave the same message --- "Still searching for parent network ...etc. press 'c' to continue without network user accounts....." (2) Replaced the card with a new one - it worked for about a week. Now, the Ethernet card is not functioning again. Intel Pentium 100 MHz DECchip21040 Based Adapter Ethernet card (v3.36) My question: could there possibly be something on the motherboard that is causing the Ethernet card to fail repeatedly? Or, is that a dumb question? What should I check? Thanks for any help. Also, I tried to post this before but I notice that it never appeared on any of the newsgroups. So, please excuse the bandwidth if it should reappear at some later time. Vicki Bragin -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin Physical Sciences Division, Pasadena City College 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106-2003 Phone: (818) 585-7147 Fax: (818) 585-7919 E-mail: (NeXTmail and MIME mail welcome) vbragin@nextlab.calstatela.edu vbragin@ix.netcom.com vbragin@paccd.cc.ca.us vbragin@pslc.ucla.edu **********************************************************
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Date: 13 Mar 1997 16:50:05 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5g9b7t$bbu@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> In article <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> writes: > Someone also said recently that NS won't allow more than one NS > partition per drive. This is incorrect. I've created multiple NS partitions on drives on many occasions. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: jork@dvs-hannover.de (Ralf Jork) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,linux.scsi Date: 13 Mar 1997 17:19:22 GMT Organization: DVS GmbH Hannover Message-ID: <5g9cuq$245@neptun.dvs-hannover.de> References: <E6w77K.72@nvc.cc.ca.us> <5g61q0$7l@neptun.dvs-hannover.de> <E6xz85.CDK@nvc.cc.ca.us> Chris Osborn (fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us) wrote: [...] : It has been getting set to all 0, but the drive doesn't want to change : the sector count. In fact, after formatting, when you do a MODE SENSE, : the drive returns the number of blocks as 0. : : How do I know what the appropriate number of blocks *should* be? I can : guess, but I don't know it precisely. See the Seagate "Barracuda 4LP ... Product Manual, Volume 1" for more info. BTW: the ST34371N I tested has 8,496,960 (0x81A740) blocks (512 byte sectors). Oh, and Mode Sense indeed reports "0" for this drive. According to the Seagate manual this translates to "all logical blocks". -- Ralf.
From: graemeg@biosci.uq.edu.au (Graeme Griffiths) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT T-shirts? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:12:05 GMT Organization: Uni of Qld Message-ID: <33286d83.35286771@news.uq.edu.au> References: <keith-0303972301490001@ad23-020.compuserve.com> <edewE6tAyD.DGM@netcom.com> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 05:23:00 GMT, edew@netcom.com (Eric Dew) wrote: >In article <keith-0303972301490001@ad23-020.compuserve.com> keith@cambra.com (Keith J. Cambra) writes: >> >> >>can you still get NeXT t-shirts? >> >>please reply to keith@cambra.com >> >>thanks - keith > >Sure, the short sleeves are $895 and the long sleeves are $2599. :-) > >EDEW I will sell one of my short sleeve ones for US$895. Graeme.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Laptop for NeXTStep Date: 13 Mar 1997 21:26:42 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5g9rei$n7p@news4.digex.net> References: <5g8tk7$m4h@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> mwerner@informatik.hu-berlin.de (Matthias Werner) wrote: > Hi, > We are searching for a laptop that is able to run under NeXTStep (3.3) We just got bad experiences with a TOSHIBA Satellite200CDS, since * there is no display driver for 800x600 available * there is no CMOS setup program, only programs for DOS/Win95 * the driver support for network and sound is at least questionable * the support (for NeXTStep) is zero. I think maybe the best laptop out right now is the Techra 730 (I think the 740 and 750 might work as well). It has a 1024X768 pixel display, and drivers are available from bifrost (they also resell the techra's with NS loaded on, I think). Anyway, check them out, I'm sure they'll be able to give you all the low down info you need: http://www.bifrostworks.com/ -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Jag talar inte svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: graemeg@biosci.uq.edu.au (Graeme Griffiths) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NextStep for Intel. Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:16:10 GMT Organization: Uni of Qld Message-ID: <33286de6.35385513@news.uq.edu.au> References: <01bc2673$d78f0460$71b797ce@jeanladu> <331AEF6B.9C1@worldbank.org> On Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:34:03 -0500, Stefano Pagiola <spagiola@worldbank.org> wrote: >Jean Paul Ladue wrote: >> Where can I find information on NextStep for Intel? I wednt to the Next >> website but had no luck, all I found was a bunch info about OpenStep. Also >> what is the academic price for NextStep. Thanks. > >The shipping version of NeXTSTEP is now called OPENSTEP for Mach. So what' >you want is the Intel version of that. > >-- >Stefano Pagiola >850 N Randolph Str No.817, Arlington VA 22203, USA >All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect >those of my employer If you want to buy OpenStep for Mach, Intel see: http://www.optimal-object.com/ They sell all versions of OpenStep to Corporations and Individuals Graeme! http://www.uq.edu.au/~bcggriff/Graeme.html
From: blake@widomaker.com (Blake Patterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IS there a point to run NS v3.2 today? Date: 13 Mar 1997 09:23:12 -0500 Organization: Widomaker Public Access Internet (804)221-8070 Message-ID: <5g92kg$pid@wilma.widomaker.com> Is NeXTSTEP for Intel v3.2 still worth running? Will it not run any newer apps?? I am running AMD 5x86 160Mz, 24mb RAM, SCSI -- used to run NS 3.2 on 486DX/2 66 16mb. bp [[[ URL: http://www.widomaker.com/~blake ]]] +--------------------------------- ---- -- - - - - - |Blake W. Patterson "I'm not quite clear about what you just spoke- |blake@widomaker.com Was that a parable, or a very subtle joke?" | +--ToriAmos-LoreenaMcKennitt-Enya-DavidWilcox-SarahMcLachlan-ElvisCostello--+ +-------DavidBowie-CrashTestDummies-DarWilliams-RustedRoot-Pixies-XTC-------+
From: bubba <bubba@imag.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ORIGINAL BLACK Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:41:34 -0800 Organization: Cyberion Networking Corp. Message-ID: <3329012E.7046@imag.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOR SALE ALL ORIGINAL * ALL BLACK * ALL IN GREAT SHAPE NeXTstation color (28 MB RAM, 100 MB HD), Ext HD (600 MB), keyboard, mouse, 17" Megapixel Color Monitor, CD ROM drive, NeXT Colour BJ Printer (360 dpi), NeXT Laser Printer (400 dpi), and lots of software (Adobe Illustrator, Altsys Virtuoso, intuitiv 3D, Compose in Colour, Wordperfect, Appsoft Image,) All original boxes, cables and manuals included. Also available "ushare" software for NeXT-Mac networking - never used. ALL OFFERS WELCOME (+ shipping) to matthew@imag.net
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IS there a point to run NS v3.2 today? Date: 14 Mar 97 08:47:46 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Mar14084746@howard.one.net> References: <5g92kg$pid@wilma.widomaker.com> In-reply-to: blake@widomaker.com's message of 13 Mar 1997 09:23:12 -0500 In article <5g92kg$pid@wilma.widomaker.com>, blake@widomaker.com (Blake Patterson) writes: Is NeXTSTEP for Intel v3.2 still worth running? Will it not run any newer apps?? I am running AMD 5x86 160Mz, 24mb RAM, SCSI -- used to run NS 3.2 on 486DX/2 66 16mb. It will run most apps which don't require OpenStep. With a patch from NeXT's site, it will even run most apps which require NS3.3. Given your hardware, I can't recommend going with OpenStep (it will be slow), and NS3.3 probably doesn't buy you enough to make it worth purchasing. OTOH, you need to upgrade. I ran a 150Mhz i486 (3x50Mhz versus 4x40Mhz - faster memory and VLB!) w/32M for a couple months last fall before I got my P133 system w/HX motherboard. The faster 486 was nice, but the difference between that and a Pentium for NeXTSTEP is night and day. I just hope the PPro upgrade I'm scraping for will be as nice. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Date: 14 Mar 97 08:43:57 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Mar14084357@howard.one.net> References: <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> <5g9b7t$bbu@crcnis3.unl.edu> In-reply-to: rdieter@math.unl.edu's message of 13 Mar 1997 16:50:05 GMT In article <5g9b7t$bbu@crcnis3.unl.edu>, rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) writes: In article <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> writes: > Someone also said recently that NS won't allow more than one NS > partition per drive. This is incorrect. I've created multiple NS partitions on drives on many occasions. One thing it appears that you can't do in this area is create multiple NS partitions on an fdisk partitioned drive. You can use BSD style paritioning just fine, easy as pie. Two partitions, three, forty-five. I heard rumor once that you could use BSD to partition an NS fdisk partition. Could find no way to make it work. I even partitioned another disk with BSD, and then did a raw copy of that other disk to a larger NS partition. Couldn't see the partitions. It appears to me that the BSD partitioning and the fdisk partitioning are handled by drivers at the same layer, so they can't overlap. I'd _love_ to be proven wrong, of course. Part of the problem _may_ be that BSD partitioning writes certain partitioning information to the disk label, which is perhaps not available for that use when you use fdisk. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: "Michael Chan" <Michael_Chan@compugraph.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: 14 Mar 1997 18:47:01 GMT Organization: Subscriber, Pacific Internet, Singapore Message-ID: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> Is that an acceptable config for NS3.3? I find that on a P90, it is rather not that responsive. But will 32MB make a significant difference?
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Postscript Printer Driver Instalation for Windows NT 4.0 Date: 14 Mar 1997 19:57:24 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5gcaj4$fnt@news.digifix.com> NeXT Postscript Printer Driver Instalation for Windows NT 4.0 * Prolog When I mentioned that I'v done this, some good people at next-prog@omnigroup.com suggested that I upload this. So here it is * Introduction - This is for Windows NT 4.0 to print on a NeXT Black printer * System Requirements - Load the lpr package on your network configuration on your NT machine * Downloads ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/NeXTprinterWNT40.I.d.zip ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/NeXTprinterWNT40.I.d.readme or by World Wide Web http://www.gomeco.com/next/ Here is the Readme file: ---------------------------------------------------------- >From Y. Michopoulos, yiannis@kybos.gomeco.com, March 13, 1997 This is a compressed directory, with everything you need to install a postscript printer driver (PPD) for the NeXT printer that is connected to your black hardware, and you want to printon it from your Windows NT 4.0 machine. This is offered to all those that persist on the black hardware dream! This is a hack! No guaranties are implied about anything. You do everything at your OWN risk. However, if you have any problems drop me a line at yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.milor yiannis@kybos.gomeco.com I'll try to answer. It has been asumed that: 1. your NT machine is already connected through the net to yourBlack NeXT machine. This black machine is your print server because yourblack NeXT printer is connected to it. 2. you know the IP address of your server and the name of the "local" name of the printer as it appears in the PrintManager panel (usually it is called Local_Printer). 3. the lpr package is loaded in your network configuration on your NT machine If you know how to add lpr printers then use the directory NeXTprinterWNT40.I.d as the source of yourntprint.inf file when asked. If you do not understand the previous statement then here's what you have to do. Please follow the steps: 1. unzip the file in a directory of your choice in your Windows NT 4.0 filesystem 2. Launch your(Double click ) "Printers" icon from your "My Computer" icon 3. Double click on the "Add Printer" icon 4. The "Add Printer Wizard" panel will show up; Select "My Computer" and then "Next>" 5. Push the "Add Port" button if you have not already configured a network printer before 6. In the "Printer Ports" panel that shows up, select "LPR Port" and then hit the "New Port" button 7. In the "Add LPR compatible printer" panel fill in the IP address of your Black print server in the first field and the name of the black printer as known to that machine (usually Local_Printer) 8. Then hit the OK button 9. In the "Add Printer Wizard" panel the port will show up in the list of ports.Select it and Hit "Next>" again. 10. Hit the "Have Disk" button and then on the "Install From Disk" panel hit browseand go (cd) to the NeXTprinterWNT40.I.d dir and select the ntprint.inf file and hit OK 11. Now in the "Add Printer Wizard" panel the option NeXT will appear (among others) in the list of Manufacturers. Select it and then select the only available option in the list of Printers: "NeXT 400 dpi black printer". Hit "Next >" 12. Finish the instalation by selecting whichever subsequent options you desire. ________________________________________________________ Cheers to all,
From: kinselle@ohsu.edu (Doug Kinsella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing TO Black printer from NT Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:08:31 GMT Organization: OHSU Message-ID: <kinselle.19.3329B03E@ohsu.edu> References: <33271B19.167E@unidata.ucar.edu> Adobe PageMaker 6.5 for Win95 has a driver for the NeXT Printer. So far, I have been able to transfer print files (.ps) via diskette and then use lpr to print. No sophisticated tests, yet. I hope this helps. ...Ahem. I would like to try to network my NeXTStation (Ver2.1, Monochrome, 8Mb memory, small drive = not developer's version) and NeXT printer to a pentium running Win95. I think I can learn how to do the TCP/IP connection, but would you happen to know what other software, an NFS manager or whatever, that Win95 needs to print to the NeXT Printer? Something better than FTP for file transfers would be nice, too. Advice+warnings+etc would be most welcome. I am just a PC database developer and some of the manual and FAQ warnings are making me very nervous. Yours sincerely, but also scared and alone in the dark, E. Doug Kinsella kinselle@ohsu.edu Oregon Health Sciences University
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: 14 Mar 1997 15:03:15 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5gclfj$1hl@mpaque.mpaque> References: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> In article <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> "Michael Chan" <Michael_Chan@compugraph.com.sg> writes: > Is that an acceptable config for NS3.3? I find that on a P90, it is rather > not that responsive. But will 32MB make a significant difference? Compared to, say. 16 or 24 Mb, then yes, a 32 Mb system will do significantly better. The fastest, highest memory system I regularly use for OPENSTEP development is a Pentium box running at 90 MHz with 32 Mb of memory. It works for me... -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: "Michael Chan" <Michael_Chan@compugraph.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: 15 Mar 1997 00:25:12 GMT Organization: Subscriber, Pacific Internet, Singapore Message-ID: <01bc30d7$c2b56160$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> References: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> <5gclfj$1hl@mpaque.mpaque> Yes, it seems like after installing NeXTstep onto a P90-32MB system, things seems to move significantly smoother. I wonder will there be very comfortable response/speed with a 166 compared to running NT. I find that NT isn't that great on a P133-32MB system. Michael
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Date: 15 Mar 1997 02:32:02 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5gd1n2$s4d@news.next.com> References: <SHESS.97Mar14084357@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Mar14084357@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) > I heard rumor once that you could use BSD to partition an NS fdisk > partition. Could find no way to make it work. I even partitioned > another disk with BSD, and then did a raw copy of that other disk to a > larger NS partition. Couldn't see the partitions. It appears to me > that the BSD partitioning and the fdisk partitioning are handled by > drivers at the same layer, so they can't overlap. > > I'd _love_ to be proven wrong, of course. Yeah, you can do this. I think. It's been a while since I tried it, and I don't have a machine handy to recreate the scenario. If you first create multiple DOS-style partitions with fdisk, only one can be tagged for NextStep/OpenStep (type A7). However, you can make that really big, and then run disk -i -p to create multiple FFS-style partitions within the DOS Primary partition. So, do: fdisk /dev/rsd0h and create a NextStep partition, then disk -i /dev/rsd0h joe
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: unknown piece of hardware Message-ID: <332A0954.4A1@bigserver.com> From: John Dougan <jdougan@bigserver.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:28:36 -0800 Organization: Big Server Software Incorporated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have aquired a peice of telecom hardware that looks interesting but has no manuals and was hoping that someone could give me some more information on it. It's a small black plastic box about the size of a flip top pack of cigarettes. It has green lettering on it that says: Call LINK Telecommunications interface Quest Inc. There are 5 ports on it: Wall jack, Phone jack, Audio In/Out (full size DIN-5), Power, and Serial Port (Mini DIN-8). There are 2 LED's, one red marked Ring, and one green marked Voice. From the little I know about where it came from, it probably was used on a NeXT cube at one point. There is no address or other manufacturer info beyone the Quest Inc. All pointers appreciated, please cc: to me as I don't get much opportunity to read these groups. Thanks, --john -- John Dougan jdougan@bigserver.com
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP: Procmail - forward to user? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 15 Mar 1997 08:53:37 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5gdo2h$563@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Hello, I was just trying to install "procmail" on my system, for this special purpose: I want it to take each incoming mail and if teh subject line matches, teh mail should go to me AND someone else (alternatively, only someone else). However, I don't seem to find any provisions for that... the ebst I got is that the mail went to the proper mailbox in the spool directory, but owned by me so that the other user didn't get at it... Is there any way, procmail or not, that would selectively forward my email to someone else? Please Cc: me when you reply to the newsgroup, our news server is lagging by ~4 days... Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: sanjeev@ee.umr.edu (Sanjeev Agarwal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: (Driver Kit...) Date: 15 Mar 1997 10:47:41 GMT Organization: UMR Missouri's Technological University Message-ID: <5gduod$6f1$5@news.cc.umr.edu> Hi, I was trying to write a Device Driver for EPIX frame grabber card under NextStep 3.2. My problem is that when ever I try to open the port, and if the video signal is not present at the port (camera is not powered on) the system hangs. Is there any way I could time this out. I mean if the port is not available (not powered) just don't open it!! Any pointer on this will be helpful. Thank you very much for your time ... Sanjeev
From: shaffer@ernie.wsc.edu (C. David Shaffer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with Adobe Font Date: 13 Mar 1997 23:50:56 -0800 Organization: Wayne State College Sender: shaffer@ernie.wsc.edu Message-ID: <x6iv2uoqse.fsf@ernie.wsc.edu> Hello, I posted this elsewhere but without much luck so here goes... I installed some Adobe fonts which I received with AdobeIllustrator (for SPARC but I don't need the fonts on that machine). After installing them in /LocalLibrary/Fonts and runnng buildafmdir I sucessfully got them to show up in the font panel. But, when I choose one of these fonts in Edit, for example, the text that I type shows up in Courier (no matter which of the new fonts I pick) and the text cursor doesn't seem to follow with the text. That is, if I type 'Hello there' the text cursor will only get to the first "l" or so (although the text looks fine -- except for being in Couries). Argh! I can't post the font because they are Commercial but I would be willing to send one to anyone who is willing to test it for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh yes, please ignore the reply address above. The correct address is below. I haven't had time to figure out how to tell gnus where I want my mail to be sent... David -- C. David Shaffer Department of Physics Wayne State College Wayne, NE 68787 (402)375-7471 NeXTMail/MIME welcome!
From: jcassidy@nova.genesoft.com (James Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cost of Openstep runtime for WinNT? Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:00:57 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Message-ID: <332a99c0.39513338@nnrp.wat.hookup.net> Has the cost of the Openstep runtime for WinNT platforms been determined yet? For Win95? (I remember there being much discussion about the potential for NeXT to shoot itself in the foot by pricing the runtime so high that distributing applicatons with this cost built in would be too expensive.) Also, do Openstep apps support non-postscript printers? Regards, Jim.
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Michael Kagalenko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Cyrillic in OPENSTEP/Mach Date: 14 Mar 1997 20:08:35 -0500 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Message-ID: <5gcsqj$d0n@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Content-Type: text/html Have anyone managed to display Cyrillic text in KOI-8 encoding under NeXT OS ? I installed russian fonts from peanuts, but switching them on does not result in correct text display. I guess, it is mapping problem. Can one convert X fonts into NeXT fonts ? Thanks, Michael -- ABILITY,n. The natural equipment to accomplish some small part of the meaner ambitions distinguishing able men from dead ones. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing TO Black printer from NT References: <33271B19.167E@unidata.ucar.edu> <kinselle.19.3329B03E@ohsu.edu> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <332af680.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 15 Mar 97 19:20:32 GMT kinselle@ohsu.edu (Doug Kinsella) wrote: >...Ahem. I would like to try to network my NeXTStation (Ver2.1, Monochrome, >8Mb memory, small drive = not developer's version) and NeXT printer to a >pentium running Win95. I think I can learn how to do the TCP/IP connection, >but would you happen to know what other software, an NFS manager or whatever, >that Win95 needs to print to the NeXT Printer? Something better than FTP for >file transfers would be nice, too. Many people are using a product call SAMBA. It allows printing and I think file serving from the next. It might be available at these two sites: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/ ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/ Before I knew of this product, I found a different solution. Check my specific web page at: http://www.bcog.org/~dreely/OpenStep/printing.html Darren http://www.bcog.org/~dreely
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <7353857885137@digifix.com> Date: 16 Mar 1997 05:00:28 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <608858488427@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703160620.BAA08339@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: ae13cc6287c0c24d4ad0a2f5c1b44e84 - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 97 01:20:13 -0500 Subject: paritioning (Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive) Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: ae13cc6287c0c24d4ad0a2f5c1b44e84 - Responding To: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Original Date: 14 Mar 97 08:43:57 > One thing it appears that you can't do in this area is create > multiple NS partitions on an fdisk partitioned drive. You can use > BSD style paritioning just fine, easy as pie. Two partitions, > three, forty-five. so how do you make a 'good' partition (BSD) versus a bad one (fdisk). I've never done this and have no experience with it TjL
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From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cost of Openstep runtime for WinNT? Date: 17 Mar 1997 01:38:18 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5gi7aa$2bi@news.platinum.com> References: <332a99c0.39513338@nnrp.wat.hookup.net> Cc: jcassidy@nova.genesoft.com In <332a99c0.39513338@nnrp.wat.hookup.net> it appeared that James Cassidy wrote: > > Has the cost of the Openstep runtime for WinNT platforms been > determined yet? For Win95? > > (I remember there being much discussion about the potential for > NeXT to shoot itself in the foot by pricing the runtime so high that > distributing applicatons with this cost built in would be too > expensive.) > > Also, do Openstep apps support non-postscript printers? Apple & NeXT don't seem to be too eager to talk about pricing. The pricing model is doubtless under review, since it will be greatly affected by the 4+ million per year licenses that will be generated by Rhapsody, vs. the much, much smaller numbers for historical sales of OPENSTEP. Since the code base for all the Apple OpenStep products Rhapsody, OPENSTEP/NT, etc.) will be largely common, the pricing model for all will need to be reviewed. I don't expect new pricing until Rhapsody is actually available on the PowerPC. -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: 17 Mar 1997 07:46:13 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5giss5$13vb@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> "Michael Chan" <Michael_Chan@compugraph.com.sg> wrote: >Is that an acceptable config for NS3.3? I find that on a P90, it is rather >not that responsive. But will 32MB make a significant difference? I bought a P90 about two years ago, and since my budget was rather tight, it initially had 16 MB. Not that much fun to work with, but after upgrading to 32MB, it was quite fast, and felt a lot snappier then my black machine. Going to 48 MB gave another performance boost for compilations, so if you do development, I recommend the investment. Otherwise, 32 MB will do just fine IMHO. While I'm here: does anybody have experience or recommendations wrt. the CPU overdrive upgrade for P90 machines? It's not that expensive, so I'm thinking about upgrading the CPU. Best wishes, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: unknown piece of hardware Date: 17 Mar 1997 07:52:49 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5git8h$13vb@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <332A0954.4A1@bigserver.com> John Dougan <jdougan@bigserver.com> wrote: >I have aquired a peice of telecom hardware that looks interesting but >has no manuals and was hoping that someone could give me some more >information on it. > >It's a small black plastic box about the size of a flip top pack of >cigarettes. It has green lettering on it that says: http://www.ilink.de That's a mix box, a DSP extension to send faxes, serves as a phone answering machine, and let's you dial phone numbers. Neat piece of hardware, but beware, if you don't have the latest software release, it can hang your machine. The mix box will only run under NEXTSTEP, and unless you buy the DSP card for Intel machines, you are limited to black hardware. Hope this helps, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: csrfb@sb636.rivm.nl (Francois Bourgeois) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to partition second SCSI disk Date: 17 Mar 1997 09:24:00 GMT Organization: RIVM Bilthoven, Netherlands Message-ID: <5gj2jg$j8i@mississippi.rivm.nl> I want to partition a second 2 Gb SCSI disk in fdisk-style so I can put NS, DOS and NT partitions on it. I don't have to be able to boot from this disk. Is this possible at all? I have tried this: 1. made a partition (800 MB) with NS fdisk. OK 2. made an entry is /etc/disktab with one partition specified and initialized the disk with /usr/etc/disk. See below for distab-entry and result of initialization step. 3. I could mount the partition at this point, but the fdisk-style partitions had disappeared! 4. made the same partition as before with NS fdisk; could still mount the partition 5. made two more partitions (DOS primary and extended) with DOS FDISK.EXE. I copied some files to these. 6. After reboot in NS, the primary DOS partition was automatically mounted (no bother that I didn't see the extended; I know this is not possible) 7. I could not mount the NS partition any more. Result: localhost> /usr/etc/mount -v -t 4.3 -o rw,noquota /dev/sd1a /Extra mount: /dev/sd1a on /Extra: I/O error mount: giving up on: /Extra 8. I also tried the same steps, but with the starting point of the partition in /etc/disktab set to 1 (pa#1) Can anybody *please* help me and explain what is happening. What is happening during the disk initialization; is the disk written from the first sector and is therefor the fdisk partitiontable deleted? Is what I want possible at all? And if not, why *is* this scheme working on the first (bootable) disk (I have a PRIM DOS, EXT DOS and NS partition on this disk, in this order). Is an antry in /etc/disktab usable? In other words: does an entry always apply to the disk as a whole or to a fdisk-style partition? If a disk is fdisk partitioned, how can I access the (maximum) four partitions. Is a NS partition always the 'a' partition in the device names /dev/rsd1a, /dev/rsd1b, etc. (this seems to be the case on my first disk). Result of disk initialization step: localhost> /usr/etc/disk -t IBM-DORS32160 -i /dev/rsd1a disk name: IBM-DORS32160 disk type: fixed_rw_scsi writing disk label Writing /usr/standalone/i386/boot Writing /usr/standalone/i386/boot1 creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd1a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd1a /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd1a 1637760 125 5 8192 1024 32 10 60 4096 t Warning: 4096 bytes per inode impossible due to cylinder group size, using 3969 bytes per inode Reduce cylinder group size to reduce bytes per inode. Warning: 365 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rsd1a: 1637760 sectors in 2621 cylinders of 5 tracks, 125 sectors 838.5Mb in 82 cyl groups (32 c/g, 10.24Mb/g, 2048 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b#) at: 32, 20160, 40288, 60416, 80544, 100672, 120800, 140928, 160032, 180160, ....still more block-numbers... initialization complete Disktab entry (made the size a little smaller than 800 MB): IBM-DORS32160|IBM DORS-32160 WA6A5U5Z|IBM DORS-32160 WA6A:\ :ty=fixed_rw_scsi:nc#6703:nt#5:ns#125:ss#512:rm#3600:\ :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=mach_kernel:z0#64:z1#192:hn=localhost:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#1637760:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#32:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD: -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Bourgeois, postbak 1 | F.Bourgeois@rivm.nl Centre for Substances and Risk assessment (CSR) | MIME is OK Risk Assessment Division | voice ++31 30 2742962 P.O.Box 1, 3720 BA BILTHOVEN, the Netherlands | fax ++31 30 2744401 RIVM - National Institute of Public Health and the Environment
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Help! Console is gone Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 17 Mar 1997 12:32:06 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5gjdk6$hub@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I just logged in into my NS4.1 PC, and TickleServices said something about While loading `!Initialization!' for `/LocalLibrary/TickleServices/Mail.ts', TCL error, couldn't create error file for command: I/O error. Check console for more information. So I checked the console and oh surprise, nothing opens. There is also no console file in the /tmp directory. So I rebooted, for no avail. I don't remember doing anything spectacular recently, other than replacing my Ethernet board... Any insight as how to get my console back is really greatly appreciated. Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703161823.NAA03615@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: a1ccbf6e829d70861d9b333fc57238bb - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 97 13:22:58 -0500 Subject: Re: HELP: Procmail - forward to user? Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: a1ccbf6e829d70861d9b333fc57238bb - Responding To: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Original Date: 15 Mar 1997 08:53:37 GMT Message-ID: a1ccbf6e829d70861d9b333fc57238bb - > I want it to take each incoming mail and if teh subject line > matches, teh mail should go to me AND someone else (alternatively, > only someone else). This recipe will match any message that BEGINS with "very important" and send a copy to "someone@somewhere.ext" :0c * ^Subject: very important ! someone@somewhere.ext This will do the same, but it will NOT leave you a copy: :0 * ^Subject: very important ! someone@somewhere.ext BTW the best place to ask procmail questions is 'procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de', a list you should subscribe to... plus you won't have to worry about your newsfeed being slow for questions like these. TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator for PEAK META-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NOTE: If you are having problems uploading to PEAK, tell me Today's Pet-Peeve: .sig files should not be longer than 4 lines.
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New Hard Drive and More Memory for NeXT Turbo Date: 17 Mar 1997 15:50:06 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5gjp7e$dkc@agate.berkeley.edu> I'd like to add more memory and a larger hard drive to my system. It's a NeXT Turbo (slab). 1) What SCSI hard drives are QUIET, fast, and reliable in the 1.0 to 2.0 GB range? Is there a problem with putting a drive of this size in a 'slab' as far as heat is concerned? Where's a good place to buy one? 2) What about memory? I'm looking to add about 32MB. Anything special I should consider beyond 72pin? Nanoseconds? Non-P something or other? Where's a good place to buy some? Answer by e-mail, please. Thanks for your input. John
From: gdm@kestrel.scs.uiuc.edu (Gian-Paolo D Musumeci) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New Hard Drive and More Memory for NeXT Turbo Date: 17 Mar 1997 17:33:39 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <5gjv9j$5es@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <5gjp7e$dkc@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes: > 1) What SCSI hard drives are QUIET, fast, and reliable in the 1.0 to > 2.0 GB range? Is there a problem with putting a drive of this size in > a 'slab' as far as heat is concerned? Where's a good place to buy one? The Seagate Hawk 2XL is a great drive. It's not a Barracuda, but I wouldn't want to put a Barracuda internal to a NeXT. > 2) What about memory? I'm looking to add about 32MB. Anything special > I should consider beyond 72pin? Nanoseconds? Non-P something or other? > Where's a good place to buy some? This stuff should be in the FAQ. gdm
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New Hard Drive and More Memory for NeXT Turbo Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:59:39 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <An=MO=m00iVD85rYEo@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5gjp7e$dkc@agate.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <5gjp7e$dkc@agate.berkeley.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 17-Mar-97 New Hard Drive and More Mem.. by John Badanes@romdas.HIP. > 1) What SCSI hard drives are QUIET, fast, and reliable in the 1.0 to > 2.0 GB range? Seagate and Micropolis are good brand names. Fujitsu and Quantum are adequate. > Is there a problem with putting a drive of this size in > a 'slab' as far as heat is concerned? Probably not, although I'd avoid putting in a 7200 RPM drive like the Seagate Baracuda since those do run fairly hot. > Where's a good place to buy one? Mail order. Pick up an issue of Computer Shopper, or any PC trade rag, and peruse the ads. > 2) What about memory? I'm looking to add about 32MB. Anything special > I should consider beyond 72pin? Nanoseconds? Non-P something or other? You want 72-pin, 70 ns, non-parity SIMM's in pairs-- probably two 4x32's if you want to add 32 MB. > Where's a good place to buy some? http://www.thechipmerchant.com/prices.htm -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: mwatson@next.com (Matt Watson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New Hard Drive and More Memory for NeXT Turbo Date: 17 Mar 1997 18:59:26 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5gk4ae$cq3@news.next.com> References: <5gjv9j$5es@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes: > 2) What about memory? I'm looking to add about 32MB. Anything special > I should consider beyond 72pin? Nanoseconds? Non-P something or other? > Where's a good place to buy some? I recommend 32MB 60ns non-parity, 72-pin simms. Don't get EDO memory. You should be able to find them for < $150 each. matt.
From: Rich Markle <rmarkle@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with NeXT Nomenclature. Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:51:11 -0800 Organization: Party of One Message-ID: <332CE9DF.60B1@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I used NS in the 3.2 days, but I have been away for awhile. I am a little confused by the new names for the NeXTStep OS(s). Here is my current understanding of the situation: 1.) OpenStep is a the latest version of NS. It runs on HP's, Sun's Intel and NeXT. Point of confusion: what is OpenStep for NT? And what s OpenStep for Mach? Is this just another name for OS on black? 2.) If my my admittedly weak assumptions are correct above, What the hell is going on with NS 3.3 ? People sell it. Is it obsolete? And are there comatablity issues (I'm sure there are, I am just trying to get an explanation) between NS 3.3 & OS 4.1? 3.) What is the difference between PDO and EOF? (Clueless on this one). I have tried to get an explanation off of the NeXT Site, but I don't think it is organized very well. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Rich Markle >> rmarkle@earthlink.net (310)442-8086
From: "Michael Chan" <Michael_Chan@compugraph.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: 17 Mar 1997 20:59:54 GMT Organization: Subscriber, Pacific Internet, Singapore Message-ID: <01bc330c$7b1f3c40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> References: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> <5giss5$13vb@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> wrote in article > While I'm here: does anybody have experience or recommendations wrt. > the CPU overdrive upgrade for P90 machines? It's not that expensive, > so I'm thinking about upgrading the CPU. I am using a P90 with 32MB now and yes, like you said, it is more responsive than 16Mb by a margin though I am a little hungry for more. It works just fine for the time being. Does the CPU overdrive you mentioned useable for other CPU speeds? If not, it might be just a temporary solution. Michael Chan
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: 17 Mar 1997 21:35:01 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5gkde5$8hp@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> "Michael Chan" <Michael_Chan@compugraph.com.sg> wrote: >Is that an acceptable config for NS3.3? I find that on a P90, it is rather >not that responsive. But will 32MB make a significant difference? I run 3.3 here on a SPARC 5/85, which I figure is about as fast as a P90 in CPU (other stuff might be faster). It had 16MB, and was tolerable. Now at 80MB it's a lot better. I beat on it pretty hard. Hard enough it still swaps. :-) I've got two black machines at home, and 64MB vs. 16MB makes a world of difference. I say put in as much as you can. Assuming you're running in color, I'd say 32MB is a good idea and you'll notice. ab
From: Tommy Hwang <me@mysolution.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 32MB a reasonable amount for NS3.3 on P90? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 02:25:37 -0500 Organization: Internet Solutions Incorporated of Fort Wayne, IN Message-ID: <332E4371.6F33@mysolution.com> References: <01bc30a5$b07c3b40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> <5giss5$13vb@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> <01bc330c$7b1f3c40$081378cb@cimichael.compugraph.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Chan wrote: > I am using a P90 with 32MB now and yes, like you said, it is more > responsive than 16Mb by a margin though I am a little hungry for more. It > works just fine for the time being. I hope you are not using that for scanning:-) I have tried to run NeXT systems (both black NeXT and Intel based) in many different RAM configurations and have personally find 32Mb RAM insufficient. With price of RA so cheap today, why not go a little overboard and get as much as your motherboard can handle?:wq
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703180246.VAA07990@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 21:45:43 -0500 Subject: Another NeXT hardware lookalike Page 48 in PCMagazine (April 8, 1997, cover story=The 1997 Utility Guide) Micron is putting out a computer that looks a lot like a slab (actually you can't see the CPU unit, just the monitor and keyboard). The keyboard looks exactly like the L-shaped NeXT keyboard + F-keys. FWIW TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator for PEAK META-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NOTE: If you are having problems uploading to PEAK, tell me Computer humor: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/humor
From: parkjy@euler.snu.ac.kr (Park Jeongyoung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is two Next partitions on 3.2Gb hdd possible? Date: 18 Mar 1997 07:04:48 GMT Organization: Seoul National University, Republic of Korea Message-ID: <5gleqg$g5a$1@snunews.snu.ac.kr> I have a 3.2Gb (Q/T) hdd and built NS 3.3 in a 2Gb partition. 'Fdisk' command says another NS partition is impossible. How can I use another 1.2Gb partition with NS ,not dos/windows? Park, Jeongyoung
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <199703181514.KAA07461@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: eebe3f4f1efe9d66dfdea54ca6e8901b - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 10:14:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Help! Console is gone Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: eebe3f4f1efe9d66dfdea54ca6e8901b - Responding To: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Original Date: 17 Mar 1997 12:32:06 GMT Message-ID: eebe3f4f1efe9d66dfdea54ca6e8901b - > So I checked the console and oh surprise, nothing opens. There is > also no console file in the /tmp directory. So I rebooted, for no > avail. I don't remember doing anything spectacular recently, other > than replacing my Ethernet board... > > Any insight as how to get my console back is really greatly > appreciated. The first step should be seeing if the device /dev/console is present (which I believe it is, or else you wouldn't be able to login). What does # ls -l /dev/console reveal? I don't know what magic NS uses to get the output of /dev/console to appear in /tmp/console.log, but would be interested to find out (which would be step #2 for you after confirming /dev/console exists) TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator for PEAK META-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NOTE: If you are having problems uploading to PEAK, tell me Computer humor: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/humor
From: bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca (Bill Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.system Subject: help! optical drive doesn't mount Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:02:07 -0500 Organization: McGill Message-ID: <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca> The hard disk on my NeXT Cube crashed today, the third time since I got the machine in 1991. My cd-rom copy of NeXTStep 3.1 (or 3.0, I don't remember) being lost, I initialized my drive and installed NeXTStep 3.2. I have the browser up and running again, but when I tried to restore files (e.g, network config files, etc) from an optical disk, I found that it would not mount. Is it possible that NS 3.2 does not support the optical disk drive, that I wiped out support when I initialized the disk? Does anyone have any advice on how to mount the OD? Please respond on this newsgroup, since I suddenly have no e-mail due to the crash. Thanks, Bill Anderson
From: "Kurt E. Huhner" <khuhner@communique.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: OS 4.1 Display Install Problems Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:50:25 -0600 Organization: NCS, Inc; http://www.ncs-ssc.com Message-ID: <332FA8D1.2E4@communique.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have recently installed OS4.1 for Mach on Intel. The install procedure produces a kernel panic in "pmap_remove_all 3". If I reboot with the "config=Default" option I can run under 640x480 using monochrome. After triple checking the capabilities of my display adapter/monitor I change tehm via Config.app and reboot. After the messages scroll by I end up with a blank screen, from which there is only one exit: reset. I am using a Diamond Stealth Video 64 VRAM PCI card and MagDX17F and chose 1024x768 @70Hz RGB888/32. The display adapter is listed as supported per NeXTAnswers. Anyone able to offer suggestions? khuhner@ncs-ssc.com
From: csrfb@sb636.rivm.nl (Francois Bourgeois) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is two Next partitions on 3.2Gb hdd possible? Date: 19 Mar 1997 08:17:13 GMT Organization: RIVM Bilthoven, Netherlands Message-ID: <5go7e9$6s9@mississippi.rivm.nl> References: <5gleqg$g5a$1@snunews.snu.ac.kr> Cc: parkjy@euler.snu.ac.kr In <5gleqg$g5a$1@snunews.snu.ac.kr> Park Jeongyoung wrote: > I have a 3.2Gb (Q/T) hdd and built NS 3.3 in a 2Gb partition. > 'Fdisk' command says another NS partition is impossible. > How can I use another 1.2Gb partition with NS ,not dos/windows? > > Park, Jeongyoung As long as you want to use the disk for NS only, I think you should initialize the disk with UNIX-style partitions. See NextAnswers doc# 1533 how to do this. This doc states that for large disks you should not just use Builddisk or /usr/etc/disk, but make an entry in /etc/disktab. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Bourgeois, postbak 1 | F.Bourgeois@rivm.nl Centre for Substances and Risk assessment (CSR) | MIME is OK Risk Assessment Division | voice ++31 30 2742962 P.O.Box 1, 3720 BA BILTHOVEN, the Netherlands | fax ++31 30 2744401 RIVM - National Institute of Public Health and the Environment
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <199703181525.KAA07753@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: e0e905b4e3687b9bfe51a316e18f7603 - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 10:25:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Help with NeXT Nomenclature. Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: e0e905b4e3687b9bfe51a316e18f7603 - Responding To: Rich Markle <rmarkle@earthlink.net> Original Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:51:11 -0800 Message-ID: e0e905b4e3687b9bfe51a316e18f7603 - I'll give you my take and see what others have to correct (if they haven't already, since my newsfeed is behind_ > 1.) OpenStep is a the latest version of NS. that's pretty much the case. OpenStep != NeXTStep exactly, but close. We'll get into that later. > It runs on HP's, Sun's Intel and NeXT. NeXTStep 3.2 (and perhaps even 3.1 on some very limited scale?) ran on NeXT and Intel machines. NeXTStep 3.3 ran on NeXT, Intel, Sparc, and HP OpenStep for MACH runs on NeXT, Intel, Sparc, and HP (although HP support seems to have appeared even when they said it would not) > Point of confusion: what is OpenStep for NT? And > what s OpenStep for Mach? Is this just another name for OS on > black? This is where the major change set in. There is now OpenStep for Mach (see above), OpenStep for Solaris (see www.sun.com), and OpenStep for NT (ie for WindowsNT). The idea being that you can create and compile an OpenStep app on any one of these platforms and then recompile it to run on the other platforms. > 2.) If my my admittedly weak assumptions are correct above, > What the hell is going on with NS 3.3 ? People sell it. Is it > obsolete? And are there comatablity issues (I'm sure there are, I > am just trying to get an explanation) between NS 3.3 & OS 4.1? NS 3.3 is obsolete in that the entire underlying programming code changes in OpenStep. (OpenStep for MACH will allow you to run NeXTStep apps, but NeXTStep will not run OpenStep-specific apps). However, there is a lot of demand for NS 3.3 because it is the last release of NS and people who like NeXTStep and want to be able to compile NeXTStep apps want 3.3 (obviously not all apps have been ported to OpenStep yet, so to compile them you have to have a NeXTStep machine). > 3.) What is the difference between PDO and EOF? (Clueless on this > one). you & me both. > I have tried to get an explanation off of the NeXT Site, but I > don't think it is organized very well. I won't disagree with you. I've seen worse, and better. Ever try to find pricing information on their web site? TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator for PEAK META-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NOTE: If you are having problems uploading to PEAK, tell me Computer humor: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/humor
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with NeXT Nomenclature. Date: 19 Mar 1997 03:51:57 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5gnnst$iee@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <332CE9DF.60B1@earthlink.net> Cc: rmarkle@earthlink.net In <332CE9DF.60B1@earthlink.net> Rich Markle wrote: > Hello I used NS in the 3.2 days, but I have been away for awhile. I am > a little confused by the new names for the NeXTStep OS(s). Here is my > current understanding of the situation: > oh what the hey?! I'll take a stab...note disclaimer at end. > 1.) OpenStep is a the latest version of NS. technically, OPENSTEP is a the latest version of NS. OpenStep is an operating system independent object oriented API. > It runs on HP's, Sun's, Intel and NeXT. it runs on Sun's, Intel and NeXT in its MACH version, that sold by NeXT/Apple. It runs on HP's w/o the GUI as PDO et al. Full GUI version of NeXT's "operating environment" support for HP was removed after 3.3. it runs on Sun's on top of Solaris in its Solaris version. But then we're back to OpenStep, the API (supported on multiple operating systems) > Point of confusion: what is OpenStep for NT? that's a product sold by NeXT/Apple called OPENSTEP Enterprise which has the look and feel of WinNT on top of WinNT, (hardly startling, but that'$ what they a$ked for...) but with the objects of NeXT. > And what OpenStep for Mach? That's same as #1, above, the OpenStep API on top of the MACH operating system > Is this just another name for OS on black? yes, and white, yellow and (sans GUI) green. > 2.) If my my admittedly weak assumptions are correct above, What the > hell is going on with NS 3.3 ? People sell it. Is it obsolete? that would depend on what your needs are. it is as fully functional as is any previous version of NeXT's operating system, under any name. It run's all NeXTSTEP apps but does not run OPENSTEP apps. It does not allow cross-operating system, cross-platform development from a single source tree with (only) a re-compile. > And are there comatablity issues (I'm sure there are, I am just trying to > get an explanation) between NS 3.3 & OS 4.1? simply (perhaps too) put, NS 3.2 and NS 3.3 look and feel the same (user experience) and other than the MIME mail support in 3.3, are pretty similar in functionality and support of existing apps. some additional functionality provided in 3.3 is available via patch (eg. foundation kit, to allow the use of OmniWeb 2.x). There are underlying mods and bug fixes to 3.3. but from the user point of view, they're very similar. once you go to OS 4.x, there is backward compatibility to run existing NS apps, and the ability to develop new apps to the improved, evolved API for use on the variety of hardware platforms and operating systems listed above, with the obvious addition of Rhapsody on PPC h/w. > 3.) What is the difference between PDO and EOF? (Clueless on this one). > well as I remember. PDO is a product that allows, minus GUI, the ability to locate and process the objects in your app over the network, and across various machines, primarily servers, that don't per se run NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. EOF is what came after DBKit, much improved and well liked from most accounts. Allows access to various databases, etc. > I have tried to get an explanation off of the NeXT Site, but I don't > think it is organized very well. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > disclaimer: as long as you remember that this is offered as an attempt to help, and not as the final word, because I don't know what I'm talking about sometimes, you'll be fine. that is assuming that any of this made any sense. I leave it to others more versed than myself to point out my errors. -rick
From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 19 Mar 1997 17:59:06 GMT Organization: Napa Valley College Message-ID: <5gp9ha$l7d@wiley.napanet.net> It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. I disabled Power Management as someone suggested, but it hasn't helped much. I'm still seeing this thing crash a lot. I'm also having problems with doing lookups on one particular hostname here. I ran telnet through gdb, and this is what happened: ---------- Hacking on nvcc: gdb /usr/ucb/telnet GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.14 (NEXTSTEP 4.0 --target i386), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc... Reading symbols from /usr/ucb/telnet...(no debugging symbols found)...done. (gdb) set args homnibus (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/ucb/telnet homnibus Dynamic Linkeditor at 0x12000000 offset 0x0 Executable at 0x2000 offset 0x0 /NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Versions/A/System at 0x5000000 offset 0x0 Reading symbols from loaded file...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Program generated(1): Memory access exception on address 0x0 (protection failure). 0x50034cb in memmove () ---------- Is there any fix for OPENSTEP 4.1 that will stabilize it? I need to use this for the server! I'm trying to upgrade from an old 25mhz NeXT cube. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NFS problem Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:02:38 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am serving an NFS volume from my linux box to my NeXTstation. When the NeXT mounts the NFS volume it reports that there is "NO SPACE available on remote disk" in the file viewer. This is clearly not the case, when I run df on the linux box it reports that the shared directory is only at 2% capacity. Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda1 347375 169365 159800 51% / /dev/hda3 2398172 44840 2229348 2% /home The entry in m /etc/exports file looks like this: /home *.dutky.net(rw) I figure that the NeXT is seeing the exported NFS volume as a read-only drive but I don't know how to change it. Does anyone have any advice on this problem? I'm pretty new to NeXT and unix and there is still a lot that I don't know. - Jeff Dutky
From: haze@sailfish.exis.net (Jason Jenkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: getting sendmail to send Date: 19 Mar 1997 22:08:47 GMT Organization: Exis Net Inc Message-ID: <5gpo5f$p3h@grouper.exis.net> I'm still strugling to get my new NeXTStation up and running as I'd like it. I am using GateKeeper and ppp2.2 to connect. It's working fine and I got OmniWeb to work, so I know the connection is good. I'd like to use Mail.app to do do email. I'm using PopOver to get the mail from my ISP, and recieving works fine. So here's the problem: I followed the help file in PopOver about setting up to send and modified sendmail.cf to include the ISP mail server. When I tell Mail.app to deliver the mail, the send data light on the modem flashes, so I know something is happening. The mail that I send though never get delivered. (ie, if I send something to myself, I never get it back.) Does anyone have any ideas/pointers. BTW I'm using NS3.3 and the included sendmail. Do I have to use a newer version of sendmail? Thanks, Jason
From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 19 Mar 1997 21:50:34 GMT Organization: Napa Valley College Message-ID: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. I disabled Power Management as someone suggested, but it hasn't helped much. I'm still seeing this thing crash a lot. I'm also having problems with doing lookups on one particular hostname here. I ran telnet through gdb, and this is what happened: ---------- Hacking on nvcc: gdb /usr/ucb/telnet GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.14 (NEXTSTEP 4.0 --target i386), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc... Reading symbols from /usr/ucb/telnet...(no debugging symbols found)...done. (gdb) set args homnibus (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/ucb/telnet homnibus Dynamic Linkeditor at 0x12000000 offset 0x0 Executable at 0x2000 offset 0x0 /NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Versions/A/System at 0x5000000 offset 0x0 Reading symbols from loaded file...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Program generated(1): Memory access exception on address 0x0 (protection failure). 0x50034cb in memmove () ---------- Is there any fix for OPENSTEP 4.1 that will stabilize it? I need to use this for the server! I'm trying to upgrade from an old 25mhz NeXT cube. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing TO Black printer from NT References: <33271B19.167E@unidata.ucar.edu> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <3330b7b8.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 20 Mar 97 04:06:16 GMT Glenn, Go to http://www.adobe.com/ and pick up a file named something like this: NeXT_400_dpi_Laser_Printer.ppd whick describes the Next printer. I'm sure there are instructions there on want to do with it. Darren http://www.bcog.org/~dreely "Glenn P. Davis" <davis@unidata.ucar.edu> wrote: >Greetings: > >We have 68040 NeXT Cube with attached NeXT printer. >On the same net is a WINtel box running NT 4.0. >The NT machine can be configured to use UNIX lpd services >from another machine, such as the Cube. >However, I need to tell NT what kind of printer it is. >NeXT 400dpi is _not_ one of the choices listed. >(Why are we not surprised?)
From: buber@u.washington.edu (Blas Pedro Uberuaga) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with Printer selection... Date: 20 Mar 1997 00:09:40 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <5gpv84$9ds@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-User: buber Keywords: print manager I'm having a problem with selecting a printer on my NeXTStation. I have several printers listed. When I highlight one besides the default, the print manager doesn't recognized that I've changed the selected printer. It highlights the new one in the list, but doesn't change the one it says is selected. This seems to be a problem only with my account and not in general, as if I log in as root, I can select different printers. Can someone help me figure out what is going on? Thanks. -- --------------------======================================------------------- Blas Pedro Uberuaga Telleria Zabala Scott Urionaguena Eiguren Idoeta Dean buber@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~buber/
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: I need SoftPC for NS2.1 Date: 19 Mar 1997 19:17:26 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5gpe46$3c5@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Dear fellows, I am out seeking for SoftPC, the one which could run on NS2.1. Remember it ? Well, for stability reasons I am not allowed to go to 3.0. So if onayone has it please let me know. Is there at least a demo to see how slow this thing is ? Thank you for your time. Ioannis
From: wonjlee@easyway.net (Won J. Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FS: NeXT N-1000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 07:58:47 GMT Organization: c410 Message-ID: <5gqqmo$u2j@fiji.easyway.net> It is an 040 25MHz model with 12MB RAM. The optical drive works fine. I'll throw in two od cartridges. The 400dpi printer is almost new and the toner shouldn't need to be replaced for quite a while. 17" gs monitor, keyboard, and mousr are all in excellent conditions. It has NextStep 2.1 installed on it. A friend at work gave this to me recently, so I don't know much about Next machines. I think someone who knows the system could put this machine to a much better use. Could someone either let me know what the fair value for this machine is or make an offer? I'll accept the highest offer in a week. Won Lee
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with NeXT Nomenclature. Date: 20 Mar 1997 20:40:57 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5gs7cp$p3t@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <332CE9DF.60B1@earthlink.net> Basically, OPENSTEP isn't an opertaing system per se. That's why they tell you what OS it runs over: OPENSTEP for Mach, OPENSTEP for Solaris, OPENSTEP for NT. Of course OPENSTEP for Mach comes with Mach, so it's basically NEXTSTEP, but it's OPENSTEP compatible. OPENSTEPs are source compatible, NEXTSTEPs are source and binary compatible. On a semi-related note, years ago I posted a script that I used to use on nova to determine which version a NS binary was compiled under, and it capitalized/spaced "NEXTSTEP" right for each rev. It only went up to 3.1, I think. It's "NeXTSTEP 3.2", "NEXTSTEP 3.3", and "OPENSTEP for Mach 4.x" if you're keeping score at home. :-) ab
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 60 vs 70 ns SIMMS Date: 21 Mar 1997 02:00:34 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5gsq42$mp3@agate.berkeley.edu> Can someone tell me if there is a problem with using 2 16MB 60ns non-parity SIMMS side by side 2 70ns 8MB non-parity SIMMs in my NeXT Turbo? Does it have to be 70ns across the board? Or is there a compatibility issue with 60 vs 70 ns SIMMs? E-mail responses, please. Thanks. John
From: jnv@gte.net (Jim Vestal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Raleigh, NC NeXT Help Requested Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:15:45 -0500 Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Message-ID: <jnv-ya02408000R2103970215450001@news.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Not sure if this is the right group to pose this question to, but I'm looking for someone who might be willing to spend an hour or two talking about NeXT, answering questions and doing a brief demo for a Mac user group that meets in Research Triangle Park, NC. Many of our members have a lot of questions that I think might be answered if they had an opportunity to see exactly what NeXT is. If you personally might be able to do this, or if you know of someone who might, or know of a NeXT user group nearby, I sure would appreciate a quick email to let me know. Many thanks, Jim Vestal
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.system Subject: Re: help! optical drive doesn't mount References: <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <3332363a.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 21 Mar 97 07:18:18 GMT In article <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca>, Bill Anderson <bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca> wrote: >The hard disk on my NeXT Cube crashed today, the third time since I got >the machine in 1991. My cd-rom copy of NeXTStep 3.1 (or 3.0, I don't >remember) being lost, I initialized my drive and installed NeXTStep 3.2. I >have the browser up and running again, but when I tried to restore files >(e.g, network config files, etc) from an optical disk, I found that it >would not mount. > >Is it possible that NS 3.2 does not support the optical disk drive, that I >wiped out support when I initialized the disk? Does anyone have any advice >on how to mount the OD? > >Please respond on this newsgroup, since I suddenly have no e-mail due to >the crash. > >Thanks, > >Bill Anderson NEXTSTEP 3.2 does support the Optical Disk. It is possible that your optical disk drive has died (as many have done including mine and most of those owned by friends -- the laser gets weak, apparently, though sometimes it is just dust in the optical path which can be fixed). What are the symptoms of the OD not mounting, other than it doesn't show up? What messages? david --- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS March Quiz - last call + 3 more hints ! Date: 21 Mar 1997 02:02:33 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5gsq7p$7d4@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for the SSS March quiz on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, hurry! Deadline is April 1. ATTENTION: Due to the low number of correct answers in both of the two quiz categories, THE MARCH QUIZ IS YOUR BEST CHANCE EVER to win a free HelpViewer or LatinByrd license. And here's even THREE MORE HINTS: 1) I'm serious about the "30 seconds" hint given on the quiz page. You won't need to stress your brains much - just make use of one particular application. Luckily, when you download and display the quiz page, that particular app is already the active one. 2) In case you're on the right way, but the results still yield nothing, then take a look at the 6th character: it's a capital! You might want to adapt how you try to find an answer... 3) If you succeed in getting the answer to the first question, then the answer to the second question should be fairly easy. Just keep in mind that SSS is a SOHO. Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: smolny@pankow.mpiib-berlin.mpg.de (Bertram Smolny) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: Hylafax ? Date: 21 Mar 1997 13:41:36 GMT Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Message-ID: <5gu36g$p8u$3@gwdu19.gwdg.de> -- Hi, is there somebody who compiled "hylafax" for NS 3.3 ? please send e-mail regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bertram Smolny Fon: ++49 30/2802-6154 MPI f. Infektionsbiologie Fax: ++49 30/2802-6406 Monbijoustr.2 D-10117 Berlin e-mail: smolny@mpiib-berlin.mpg.de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: mtrombin@ix.netcom.com (Mark Trombino) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.system Subject: Re: help! optical drive doesn't mount Date: 21 Mar 1997 17:41:35 GMT Organization: Egghead Billy, Inc. Message-ID: <5guh8f$h5s@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca> <3332363a.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Cc: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In <3332363a.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> David Hill wrote: > In article <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca>, > Bill Anderson <bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca> wrote: > >The hard disk on my NeXT Cube crashed today, the third time since I got > >the machine in 1991. My cd-rom copy of NeXTStep 3.1 (or 3.0, I don't > >remember) being lost, I initialized my drive and installed NeXTStep 3.2. I > >have the browser up and running again, but when I tried to restore files > >(e.g, network config files, etc) from an optical disk, I found that it > >would not mount. > > > >Is it possible that NS 3.2 does not support the optical disk drive, that I > >wiped out support when I initialized the disk? Does anyone have any advice > >on how to mount the OD? > > > >Please respond on this newsgroup, since I suddenly have no e-mail due to > >the crash. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Bill Anderson > > NEXTSTEP 3.2 does support the Optical Disk. > > It is possible that your optical disk drive has died (as many have done > including mine and most of those owned by friends -- the laser gets > weak, apparently, though sometimes it is just dust in the optical > path which can be fixed). > > What are the symptoms of the OD not mounting, other than it doesn't > show up? What messages? > > david > I would try and clean it. Mine died on my several times but only required a little cleaning to get up and running again. Search NEXTAnswers for directions on how to clean the OD. Its a little involved though... -- Mark Trombino mtrombin@ix.netcom.com (NEXTMail, MIME Mail okay)
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I need software support help in DC Date: 23 Mar 1997 22:09:28 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Distribution: us Message-ID: <jcr.859183587@idiom.com> References: <3326B204.2CD0@mail.house.gov> <5h3lkk$s90@atlas.vcu.edu> s0wwchin@atlas.vcu.edu (Weiyuan W Chin) writes: >Don McKinnon <Don.McKinnon@mail.house.gov> writes: >>I have a slab I've been using since 1990 and I need to hire someone to >>fix a few bugs that have accumulated: >Has no one responded? I've seen your posts for a little while >now. Where as all the expertise in D.C. gone? Anyone from the old >WaNUG group around? Jeez... The NeXT expertise in DC has fled to greener pastures. I tried to go to work with Fannie Mae several years ago, and I was only asking for about $75K back then. They about choked when I told then that they were competing with Wall Street gigs that start at $100/hr. DC's my home town, and I would have stayed if people there didn't keep thinking that they could hire NeXT experts for COBOL rates. -jcr
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need help getting NeXT on the Internet... Date: 24 Mar 1997 22:42:01 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-2403971443430001@i548.oro.net> I am new to using my NeXT Turbo Cube and would like to get the system connected to the internet. Are there any COMMERCIAL Internet Kits for the NeXT that are real user friendly?? I have d/led with my MAC and moved the software to my NeXT the PPP2.2 and GateKeeper softwares but am having problems getting connected. The PPP 2.2 seems to be loaded fine as I do get the PPP info to show up at BOOT time but I may just not be dialing and connecting correctly. Using GateKeeper, I can dial my ISP and my Terminal.APP pops up so I can enter my name and password to get logged onto my ISP. Once I am logged on and my ISP says I am connected, per my GateKeeper I supposed to get ASCII garbage on the screen and at that point click the pppd switch on so I can get logged in under PPP. I never get this ASCII garbage. I just get a note I am connected to my ISP. Am I lacking something in GateKeeper or some other area. I have never in PPP 2.2 or GateKeeper entered my ISP domain info, etc... as I had to do with my Mac so maybe this is what I am lacking but where do I enter this info. or... I will buy a commerical package that is easier for this newbie. Any suggestions. Thanks Tom
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New Hard Drive and More Memory for NeXT Turbo Date: 24 Mar 97 13:23:42 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Mar24132342@howard.one.net> References: <5gjp7e$dkc@agate.berkeley.edu> In-reply-to: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu's message of 17 Mar 1997 15:50:06 GMT In article <5gjp7e$dkc@agate.berkeley.edu>, john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes: I'd like to add more memory and a larger hard drive to my system. It's a NeXT Turbo (slab). 1) What SCSI hard drives are QUIET, fast, and reliable in the 1.0 to 2.0 GB range? Is there a problem with putting a drive of this size in a 'slab' as far as heat is concerned? Where's a good place to buy one? I like Seagate Hawks. I've got older one (ST31230N, 1Gig), and it just makes this little thudding noise when seeking, none of those cool high-pitched annoyances (shudder). I'd _highly_ recommend not spending too much much for a drive you're putting in a NeXT system, unless you intend to salvage the drive for something else at some point. NeXT's hardware is much outdated in SCSI terms (after all, it's like five computer generations old!). Most any drive will work, but you'll be wasting much of the potential if you get a speed demon. Most any current drive will be able to outrun your NeXT's SCSI subsystem. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: formatting and copying hard drives Date: 22 Mar 1997 18:10:29 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5h17al$hnq@agate.berkeley.edu> I've been pestering everyone here lately with questions relating to adding memory and a larger hard drive for my NeXT Turbo. The answers I've received have been _extremely_ helpful and much appreciated. At this point, I'm 'rounding third' and 'headed for home.' One more question, though, that relates to logistics. When I buy a new hard drive to replace the one in my Slab, how do I format it and then copy the files on the old drive to the new one? I do have an external drive that's connected to the computer if that will help solve things. Please respond by e-mail. As usual, thanks. John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.system From: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Andrew Chang) Subject: Re: help! optical drive doesn't mount Message-ID: <E7GK9v.ou@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: GSB, University of Chicago References: <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca> <3332363a.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:49:07 GMT In article <3332363a.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, David Hill <hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> wrote: >In article <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca>, >Bill Anderson <bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca> wrote: >>The hard disk on my NeXT Cube crashed today, the third time since I got >>the machine in 1991. My cd-rom copy of NeXTStep 3.1 (or 3.0, I don't >>remember) being lost, I initialized my drive and installed NeXTStep 3.2. I >>have the browser up and running again, but when I tried to restore files >>(e.g, network config files, etc) from an optical disk, I found that it >>would not mount. >> >>Is it possible that NS 3.2 does not support the optical disk drive, that I >>wiped out support when I initialized the disk? Does anyone have any advice >>on how to mount the OD? >> >>Please respond on this newsgroup, since I suddenly have no e-mail due to >>the crash. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Bill Anderson > >NEXTSTEP 3.2 does support the Optical Disk. > >It is possible that your optical disk drive has died (as many have done >including mine and most of those owned by friends -- the laser gets >weak, apparently, though sometimes it is just dust in the optical >path which can be fixed). > >What are the symptoms of the OD not mounting, other than it doesn't >show up? What messages? > Yes, you can either open the ROM montor and watch the booting message, or examine file /usr/adm/message to see if the OD drive is still alive and recognized. If it does, then mount it manually, something like "/etc/mount /dev/od1(a?) /mnt1...." If it does not show up when booting, you may run out of luck. My OD drive still works though.
From: alcmaeon@one.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT and AT&T Worldnet Date: 25 Mar 1997 01:39:43 GMT Organization: OneNet Communications HUB News Server Message-ID: <5h7acv$n1v@news.one.net> I have been trying to get logged on to AT&T WorldNet from the Cube. I am logged on to another ISP that I have with no trouble, but when I try to get on WorldNet, I get through the UserName and Password stages, but then I get a message something to the effect that: "the serial connection is not 8-bit clean, 0 appears at position 7" Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Mitch
From: marcel@sysyem.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New Hard Drive and More Memory for NeXT Turbo Date: 25 Mar 1997 03:21:50 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5h7gce$1q5$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <SHESS.97Mar24132342@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Mar24132342@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > I like Seagate Hawks. I've got older one (ST31230N, 1Gig), and it > just makes this little thudding noise when seeking, none of those cool > high-pitched annoyances (shudder). I got one myself, it's a decent drive. I just wish my cube's case wasn't such a perfect resonator... :-( > I'd _highly_ recommend not spending too much much for a drive you're > putting in a NeXT system, unless you intend to salvage the drive for > something else at some point. NeXT's hardware is much outdated in > SCSI terms (after all, it's like five computer generations old!). > Most any drive will work, but you'll be wasting much of the potential > if you get a speed demon. Most any current drive will be able to > outrun your NeXT's SCSI subsystem. This is true in general, but the NeXT SCSI is actually a bit faster than most people expect, certainly faster than I expected. My Fujitsu was running at around 700K/s file system throughput, my Hawk does up to 2.5MB/s real-life throughput on medium-large files. Marcel
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From: jwdb@fygir.nl (Jan-Willem de Bruijn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] mounting floppy Date: 25 Mar 1997 09:33:01 GMT Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Sender: fygir@194.229.196.70 Message-ID: <5h864d$b7u$1@news1.xs4all.nl> After trying to check a damaged floppy with fsck, the Workspace's "Disk->Check for Disks" menu has stopped working (with any floppy). Does anybody know a reason for this? And maybe a way to restore the proper behaviour? (Apart from rebooting, which solves just about anything.) Mounting the floppy by hand, with the 'mount' command, works, but the floppy can't be written to, even though the notch on the disk is in the right position, the mount option is 'rw' and the Worksapce indicates the amount of free space left on the floppy. Oh, well, there are worse things, but if anybody can explain I'd very much appreciate it. Chao, Jan-Willem -- Jan-Willem de Bruijn - F Y G I R logistic information systems
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <608858488427@digifix.com> Date: 23 Mar 1997 05:00:18 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <3027859093225@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: s0wwchin@atlas.vcu.edu (Weiyuan W Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem Date: 23 Mar 1997 11:33:26 -0500 Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5h3m0m$4nkc@atlas.vcu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: >I am serving an NFS volume from my linux box to my NeXTstation. >When the NeXT mounts the NFS volume it reports that there is >"NO SPACE available on remote disk" in the file viewer. This >is clearly not the case, when I run df on the linux box it >reports that the shared directory is only at 2% capacity. >Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >/dev/hda1 347375 169365 159800 51% / >/dev/hda3 2398172 44840 2229348 2% /home ^^^^^^^ Looks like the 2gb volume limit to me. NEXTSTEP version 3.3 and later support NFS mounted volumes larger than 2gb, but older versions have problems with it. A common workaround (besides upgrading) is to fill the volume up with stuff so that the free space is less than 2gb. Apple/NeXT *really* has to fix the 2gb limitation - it's embarrassing. Of course, adding in journaling and ... well there's another thread discussing this. ..Bill Chin s0wwchin@atlas.vcu.edu
From: Annard Brouwer <annard@neptune.esystem.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Date: 21 Mar 1997 22:52:55 GMT Organization: PSW Technologies Message-ID: <5gv3g7$dbs@digdug.pswtech.com> References: d562180a488d041f3977506f580f4bdf - <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> wrote: >If you have partitions of LESS than 2.0 gig then NS can recognize >the size of it. >If it is 2.0 or over, then you won't get NS to recognize it. > Nope! This is only true on Intel systems were your boot drive is >2GB. However if you make that drive a secondary one, low-level format it with 1K sector size (this however cannot be done using sdformat on OpenStep/Mach using white hardware) than you can fool the `disk' program to create one 4GB partition. You have to create a custom disktab entry however. So although not an easy solution, it can be done. I did it, more than once. On different drives/systems. >Someone also said recently that NS won't allow more than one NS >partition per drive. > Nonsense. I saw the `disk' program create 3 partitions on a 4GB diskdrive without a problem (OpenStep/Mach4.1). Need more info, contact me. Annard -- Annard Brouwer PSW Technologies, Inc. OPENSTEP software engineer (consultant) Needless to say everything I said is mine, mine ALL mine!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fmlazar@interactive.net (Frank Lazar) Subject: Should I run 4.x on Black? Organization: AMUSE-New York Amiga Users Group Message-ID: <fmlazar-2303971136140001@host043.jerseycity.interactive.net> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:36:14 GMT Right now, I have a recently purchased Color Turbo Slab purring on 3.3. Is upgrading to OpenStep 4.1 or whatever a good move for me? It's got 80 megs of ram and a 2 gig hard disk. (which for some reason the NeXT OS is only seeing 1 gig of after a generic install.) Will I be slower, faster, or are there other type issues besides speed. The machine is intended for eithe mailserver or Apacheserver. (I haven't decided which yet, may be getting anothe for Mtech as the two should probably be on different machines even for the low-voloume use I intend.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] mounting floppy Date: 26 Mar 1997 02:09:05 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5ha0g1$48n@news.next.com> References: <5h864d$b7u$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Jan-Willem de Bruijn writes > > After trying to check a damaged floppy with fsck, the Workspace's > "Disk->Check for Disks" menu has stopped working (with any floppy). > Does anybody know a reason for this? And maybe a way to restore the > proper behaviour? > (Apart from rebooting, which solves just about anything.) The command "disk -e /dev/rfd0a" (as root) will sometimes reset the floppy driver and Workspace when they get confused. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can't get 4gig drive to believe it's a 4gig drive Date: 13 Mar 1997 16:50:05 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5g9b7t$bbu@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> In article <199703121550.KAA08911@kira.peak.org> writes: > Someone also said recently that NS won't allow more than one NS > partition per drive. This is incorrect. I've created multiple NS partitions on drives on many occasions. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: s0wwchin@atlas.vcu.edu (Weiyuan W Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I need software support help in DC Date: 23 Mar 1997 11:27:00 -0500 Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Distribution: us Message-ID: <5h3lkk$s90@atlas.vcu.edu> References: <3326B204.2CD0@mail.house.gov> Don McKinnon <Don.McKinnon@mail.house.gov> writes: >I have a slab I've been using since 1990 and I need to hire someone to >fix a few bugs that have accumulated: Has no one responded? I've seen your posts for a little while now. Where as all the expertise in D.C. gone? Anyone from the old WaNUG group around? Jeez... BTW, a few years ago I probably would have responded, but now I'm in Richmond, VA and the 4 hour round trip plus the complete lack of that amount of free time means it's infeasible for me. Maybe if you advertise the amount/hour you're willing to pay... :-)
From: sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Arne Sieg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem Date: 26 Mar 1997 08:47:11 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5hanqf$1uh@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5h3m0m$4nkc@atlas.vcu.edu> Keywords: nfs 2GB Weiyuan W Chin writes > "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: > > >I am serving an NFS volume from my linux box to my NeXTstation. > > >When the NeXT mounts the NFS volume it reports that there is > >"NO SPACE available on remote disk" in the file viewer. This > >is clearly not the case, when I run df on the linux box it > >reports that the shared directory is only at 2% capacity. > > >Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on > >/dev/hda1 347375 169365 159800 51% / > >/dev/hda3 2398172 44840 2229348 2% /home > ^^^^^^^ > > Looks like the 2gb volume limit to me. NEXTSTEP version 3.3 > and later support NFS mounted volumes larger than 2gb, but older > versions have problems with it. A common workaround (besides > upgrading) is to fill the volume up with stuff so that the free > space is less than 2gb. No. I do not know what the problem is, but we have large Disks over nfs mounted (some single partitions over 4.5 GB!). So over nfs there is no such limit! E.g. (df on the next, file server is solaris) hera:/export/home 4226984 3499008 305286 92% /private/Net/hera/export/home > Apple/NeXT *really* has to fix the 2gb limitation - it's embarrassing. > Of course, adding in journaling and ... well there's another > thread discussing this. Yes for file-servers. > > ..Bill Chin > s0wwchin@atlas.vcu.edu -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin-PST (E10, E3, E0.6) URL: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
From: jwdb@fygir.nl (Jan-Willem de Bruijn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] mounting floppy Date: 26 Mar 1997 09:08:18 GMT Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Sender: fygir@194.229.196.70 Message-ID: <5hap22$g3n$1@news1.xs4all.nl> References: <5h864d$b7u$1@news1.xs4all.nl> <5ha0g1$48n@news.next.com> MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) wrote: >Jan-Willem de Bruijn writes >> >> After trying to check a damaged floppy with fsck, the Workspace's >> "Disk->Check for Disks" menu has stopped working (with any floppy). >> Does anybody know a reason for this? And maybe a way to restore the >> proper behaviour? >> (Apart from rebooting, which solves just about anything.) > >The command "disk -e /dev/rfd0a" (as root) will sometimes reset the floppy >driver and Workspace when they get confused. Indeed, it does! I thought I had tried that, but I guess not as root. Thanks. That saved me from having to reboot our NetInfo master / NFS server. -- Jan-Willem de Bruijn - F Y G I R logistic information systems
From: "Erik D. Schminke" <edschminke@willmar.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Hacking a NeXT Mach System Date: 23 Mar 1997 19:06:05 GMT Organization: MEANS Message-ID: <01bc37bc$a9a0d380$ca3a0ace@schminke.willmar.com> I would like some questions answered by any hackers out there willing to help. My school runs a NeXT Mach system and someone hacked into it using one of the so called "default accounts". Please take a look at what was done. The website is at http://willmar.k12.cfa.org/. I expect that this page will be take down and returned to what it was before, as soon as it is discovered, so I made a copy of the page and put it at http://www.willmar.com/~schminke/willmar/. Please check one of these pages and then explain how to this was do to me via e-mail. My address is edschminke@willmar.com Thank you, -- Erik Schminke (edschminke@willmar.com)
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,chi.jobs,mi.jobs, Subject: NEXT/Career Position/ILL Date: 24 Mar 1997 02:19:22 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5h4oba$rm1@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXT-------------------------Commercial experience Objective C------------------Commercial experience Career Position--------------Full benefits++ Relocation-------------------Company assistance Area-------------------------Greater Chicago Area To Be Considered-------------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printing software Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:01:08 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <3335FC84.6950@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What software is available that will allow OPENSTEP to print to non-Postscript printers? --gh
From: Frank Lacy<LacyEnt@aol.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The Personal Electronic Picture Album Date: 26 Mar 1997 01:59:00 GMT Organization: The Why? Network Message-ID: <5h9vt4$l5s$187@moon> Organisation: Lacy Enterprises
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From: mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: want to read mail in Chinese and Japanese Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 01:03:15 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <mitchell.allen-2403970103160001@39.chicago-033.il.dial-access.att.net> References: <3325B6BE.167E@focus.berkeley.edu> > > I am using NeXT Electronic Mail Reader to read e-mail. > Is it possible to read the mails in Chinese (GB or Big5) or Japanese? > and how? > Well, if you don't have easy access to a university that has Chinese or Japanese language classes, try contacting Berlitz: www.berlitz.com Mitch
From: mkretsch@ultranet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cable modem (Continental Cable / Boston) and NeXT Date: 26 Mar 1997 22:34:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <5hc894$ea2$1@decius.ultra.net> Dear fellow NeXTers in the Boston area, I recently inquired with Cotinental Cable about their new high speed cable modem setups. A person of rather little knowledge told me on the phone that "we do not support UNIX, get Windooze". Has anybody managed to get CC's cable modems (with their dynamic IPs) to work on a machine running NEXTSTEP (I have a TurboColor at home and NS Intel 3.3 at work) ? Also, is there still a Boston NeXT user group ? Anybody in Biotech/Biochemistry using NEXTSTEP ? I would greatly appreciate any input on this. Thanks, Matthias Kretschmer mkretsch@ultranet.com
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ghostscript Print Filter Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:41:43 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <3339A627.7EBA@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to install GSPrint Filter so that I can print to a non-Postscript printer. After installing the GSFilter and GSsetup packages, the instructions say to run the provided GSFilter.postinstall script. However there is no postinstall script anywhere. Has anyone else run accross this? How can this be resolved? --Greg
From: heller@altoetting.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WebPhone??? Date: 26 Mar 1997 21:28:04 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5hc4d4$93l@lancelot.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, a friend of mine (who is in the USA while I am in Germany) wants to try WebPhone to communicate with me. Now WebPhone is a MicroSchrott product and totally unacceptable for a NeXTy like me. So the question: is there anything similar or compatible for a NeXT like WebPhone for the Windoze world? Thanks for any answers! Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: 26 Mar 1997 22:04:22 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5hc6h6$fn0$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <5hc4dt$gqo@crcnis3.unl.edu> Cc: rdieter@math.unl.edu In <5hc4dt$gqo@crcnis3.unl.edu> Rex Dieter wrote: > In article <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> > writes: > > Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue > > over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the > >... > > Maybe this restriction was fixed in a > > later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). > > I know definitively that this problem HAS BEEN fixed as of NS 3.3. > Yes, but this is in fact a workspace problem. If you copy something onto the mounted filesystem using 'cp' in a shell everything is working fine. The problem seems to be connected to the 2 MByte size because at this size the workspace 'free space on filesystem' display jumps back to zero. (It will happen again at 4, 6, 8,... GByte)... Workspace tries to be smart and won't let you copy onto the 'full' filesystem. I *think* I remember I was able to get rid of the bug by using the gnu version of 'df' instead of the NeXT supplied one. However this was in a galaxy far far away and my memory is prone to segment violations these days. Today I have only smaller volumes to mount here in my local network. But maybe this works for you... -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Preview.app - Sending delayed facsimiles Date: 26 Mar 1997 23:37:22 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5hcbvi$qbh@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <5h8rik$4b9@hagen.amg.de> Cc: m_mocker@amg.de. In <5h8rik$4b9@hagen.amg.de> Martin Mocker wrote: > Hi NeXTFolks, > > I've got a question about the Fax-Panel in the Preview.app: > It isn't possible to send a fax LATER (I don't know the exact > label of the button, because I am using the German edition of NEXTSTEP) in > the Fax-Panel in Preview.app (the curious thing about this is, that it works > in any other App, but not in Preview...) > > Does anyone know a workaround, a unix-tool or something else to make Preview > send a fax at a LATER point of time ?? > > Thanks a lot, > > Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de) > wierd... I just did a cmd-p on your post, clicked the Preview button, hit fax and the fax panel from within Preview has five buttons across the bottom: Modem...; Preview; Fax Later...; Cancel; Fax Now Fax Later... the one you want maybe you didn't go far enough into the fax prcedure? I've never used the German version, are the panels different, other than the labels? -rick
From: bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca (Bill Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: EZ-Flyer as a backup on a NeXTCube? Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:41:37 -0500 Organization: McGill Message-ID: <bill-2603971841370001@e-14.das.mcgill.ca> To replace a dead optical drive on my NeXTCube (68040, 16mb, 400mb,3.2), I'm planning to get a Syquest EZ-Flyer removable cartridge drive. I've seen comments on this newsgroup that there is no problem using a Zip Drive. I prefer the EZ-Flyer because I have a friend with an EZ-135, and we can swap disks. My question is: Does anyone know for sure (say from personal experience) that the EZ-Flyer will work with my NeXTCube? Would the formatting instructions be the same as with a Zip drive? Thanks, Bill Anderson
From: bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca (Bill Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.system Subject: Re: help! optical drive doesn't mount Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:36:07 -0500 Organization: McGill Message-ID: <bill-2603971836070001@e-14.das.mcgill.ca> References: <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca> In article <bill-1803971902070001@b52-32.das.mcgill.ca>, bill@markov.math.mcgill.ca (Bill Anderson) wrote: > The hard disk on my NeXT Cube crashed today, the third time since I got > the machine in 1991. My cd-rom copy of NeXTStep 3.1 (or 3.0, I don't > remember) being lost, I initialized my drive and installed NeXTStep 3.2. I > have the browser up and running again, but when I tried to restore files > (e.g, network config files, etc) from an optical disk, I found that it > would not mount. > > Is it possible that NS 3.2 does not support the optical disk drive, that I > wiped out support when I initialized the disk? Does anyone have any advice > on how to mount the OD? > > Please respond on this newsgroup, since I suddenly have no e-mail due to > the crash. > > Thanks, > > Bill Anderson The optical drive has been cleaned and checked out by an expert, but still does not mount. So it looks as if it is dead. I would like to thank everyone for their responses. Also, I have a new question: To replace the optical drive, I'm planning to get a Syquest EZ-Flyer removable cartridge drive. I've seen comments on this newsgroup that there is no problem using a Zip Drive. I prefer the EZ-Flyer because I have a friend with an EZ-135, and we can swap disks. My question is: Does anyone know for sure (say from personal experience) that the EZ-Flyer will work with my NeXTCube? Thanks, Bill Anderson
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cable modem (Continental Cable / Boston) and NeXT Date: 27 Mar 1997 02:08:02 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5hckq3$g91@news.next.com> References: <5hc894$ea2$1@decius.ultra.net> In article <5hc894$ea2$1@decius.ultra.net> mkretsch@ultranet.com writes: > I recently inquired with Cotinental Cable about their new high speed cable > modem setups. A person of rather little knowledge told me on the phone > that "we do not support UNIX, get Windooze". > > Has anybody managed to get CC's cable modems (with their dynamic IPs) to > work on a machine running NEXTSTEP (I have a TurboColor at home and NS > Intel 3.3 at work) ? Actually, this is going to be fairly difficult. A friend of mine works for Continental, actually manages the infrastructure connecting their cable plant to their Internet connection. Anyway, their cable-side IP setup uses DHCP to assign IP addresses on the fly to the set-top boxe connections. There's no way to make NextStep act like a DHCP client without some serious hacking. You'd have to port a DHCP client program, then figure out a way to make it reset the IP address of the network port and reinitialize. All without screwing up already running processes. What you might do is ask if they can assign you a static IP address. They can do that to a limited degree, but they might charge extra. joe
From: jspeights@tng.net (James Speights) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Lifetime Home Computer Warranty Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:08:28 GMT Organization: Personal Computer Servcies Message-ID: <3339cccd.0@news.tng.net> JSJ&L Personal Computer Services is offering a new program for computer users. A Lifetime Warranty for your Computer System. If you purchased your computer in or after December 1994 it may qualify for a lifetime warranty. For details contact via http://www.JSJL.com or call 407-255-3266.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JAZ Drive Probs on NeXT Cube? Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:46:01 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970327194511.2321C-100000@kira> References: <5hep5e$8uo$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Seamus Dunne <dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca> In-Reply-To: <5hep5e$8uo$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Have you read the NeXTanswers on this subject? They are linked to my web page under 'other sites' and then 'NeXTAnswers and Info' TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator for PEAK (ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/put/next) META-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Preview.app - Sending delayed facsimiles Date: 25 Mar 1997 15:39:00 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5h8rik$4b9@hagen.amg.de> Hi NeXTFolks, I've got a question about the Fax-Panel in the Preview.app: It isn't possible to send a fax LATER (I don't know the exact label of the button, because I am using the German edition of NEXTSTEP) in the Fax-Panel in Preview.app (the curious thing about this is, that it works in any other App, but not in Preview...) Does anyone know a workaround, a unix-tool or something else to make Preview send a fax at a LATER point of time ?? Thanks a lot, Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: "Network User" <melissab@shamu.mtn.ncahec.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OO System Development Date: 28 Mar 1997 17:45:53 GMT Organization: MAHEC Message-ID: <01bc3b9f$87e4f820$5d0356c6@MELISSAB.SHAMU.MTN.NCAHEC.ORG> Hello! I am a student who is trying to locate an organization developing an object oriented system and is willing to be interviewed for a research paper. Not just using an OO product but developing an OO system. The interview is not painful and non-intrusive and will cover topics such as: info about the organization and contact person; length of time organization has been developing OO systems; how the organization is using OO technology; reasons for adopting OO technology; are you achieving a good reuse rate?; challenges encountered; plans for OO technology in the future and any other comments you would like to contribute. This interview can be conducted via email or phone, whichever is convenient, at my expense. Any help is GRATEFULLY appreciated! Melissa Boring
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:12:29 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeffrey S. Dutky wrote: > > I am serving an NFS volume from my linux box to my NeXTstation. > > When the NeXT mounts the NFS volume it reports that there is > "NO SPACE available on remote disk" in the file viewer. This > is clearly not the case, when I run df on the linux box it > reports that the shared directory is only at 2% capacity. > > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on > /dev/hda1 347375 169365 159800 51% / > /dev/hda3 2398172 44840 2229348 2% /home > > The entry in m /etc/exports file looks like this: > > /home *.dutky.net(rw) > > I figure that the NeXT is seeing the exported NFS volume as a > read-only drive but I don't know how to change it. > > Does anyone have any advice on this problem? I'm pretty new to > NeXT and unix and there is still a lot that I don't know. > > - Jeff Dutky Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. Several people suggested that I had run into the NS 2GB limit and gave some ungracefull work- arounds that boiled down to "Fill up the shard drive with stuff until there is less than 2GB free." This is, in fact, what I ended up doing and, sure enough, when the free space fell below 2GB the NeXT started to correctly identify the amount of free space on the drive. Since I intended to start using the drive as a shared file repository for all my systems (1 PowerMac, 1 Sun3/60, 1 IBM PS/2, and the NeXT) this has worked out to be a very reasonable solution. Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the case. I doubt that is was pure coincidence that the NeXT stopped reporting NO SPACE at the same instant that the free space on the linux drive fell below 2GB. Maybe this restriction was fixed in a later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). Anyhow, thanks again. - Jeff Dutky
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 28 Mar 1997 23:18:34 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5hhjka$fiv$1@news.platinum.com> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de> <5hei73$c80@news.zocalo.net> Cc: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us In <5hei73$c80@news.zocalo.net> it appeared that Chris Osborn wrote: > In article <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de>, > Holger Hoffstaette <hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM> wrote: > >To the original poster: if you really can't get anything going > >without frequent panics, wipe out NI completely, restore from > >/usr/template/client/etc/netinfo and start again. > > I did that quite a few times before ever posting that I was having > problems. I did get a new lookupd from someone at NeXT, but I'm > *still* having problems. > > Now after about 24 hours or so, lookups start to get *very* > slow. It'll take forever to do a lookup on the server for one of the > computers that is in my domain, but is *not* in NetInfo. After about > 36 hours or so, the server hangs *so severely* that I cannot restart > it any other way than to push reset. Can't get into the NMI, nothing. > > So far it looks like there are serious problems with using 4.1 as a > NetInfo server. As far as I can tell, lookupd on OpenStep 4.1 is marginally functional. I can't get it to work properly with NIS on either NeXT or Intel. (On Intel, I can run the NS3.3 lookupd, and everything that I use -- NIS & DNS -- works fine. On NeXT hardware, this swapout does not work.) The symptom you describe is classic binary-has-a-serious-defect material. You *might* talk to NeXT - maybe there is another update after the one you got. watch the vsize on your lookupd... it may have a leak and be growing so badly that it fills your VM... mine's been up for 5 days, and is less than 2MB VSIZE, and is 400k RSIZE. (I'm running the NS3.3patcha lookupd on an OPENSTEP 4.1/intel system). PID USERNAME STATE PRI NICE THR VSIZE RSIZE %MEM %CPU TIME COMMAND 122 root SW 10 0 1 1808K 400K 0.61 0.00 0:02 lookupd If the lookupd you have is functional (i.e. if it provides the services you need until it causes the machine to lock up) you can set a cron job to kill and restart lookupd every night or something like that. If you find that lookupd is growing for you, do some checking to see if a "kill -1" will cause it to free the bogusly claimed memory (that would be nice... but don't hold your breath) If not, you'll need to spank harder. dinobert # uptime 5:05pm up 5 days, 5:30, 3 users, load average: 1.72, 1.77, 1.79 /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Preview.app - Sending delayed facsimiles Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:24:26 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970326191435.22579B-100000@kira> References: <5h8rik$4b9@hagen.amg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Martin Mocker <m_mocker@amg.de.> In-Reply-To: <5h8rik$4b9@hagen.amg.de> The 'fax later' (that is what it is called in English) button only becomes an option if I select a phone number entry in the fax panel. It is grey until I do that (as is the regular 'fax now'). Are you saying that you cannot get 'fax later' to work even when you have selected a number? TjL
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Micropolis "Aries" Drive for NeXT Turbo? Date: 27 Mar 1997 20:29:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5helao$ogk@agate.berkeley.edu> Anyone know if a Micropolis Model 4421 Fast SCSI-2 Interface 2147MB 9ms 5400rpm 3.5" "low-profile" disk drive will work well in my NeXT Turbo Slab? Or should I forget about it? E-mail me if you have experience and/or insight with this. Thanks. John
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another Screen Shot Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:04:40 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hello: I put up yet another OPENSTEP for Windows NT Screen shot showing the following applications: 1. IconDock (Application Launcher shareware) by Tony Chow 2. Create (Drawing Program) by Stone Design 3. ProjectBuilder (Software Development tool) by NeXT 4. InterfaceBuilder (Visual Interface Builder) by NeXT 5. Preview (Postscript and EPS previewer) You can find it at: http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <3027859093225@digifix.com> Date: 30 Mar 1997 05:00:28 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <7486859698032@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:00:51 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services & Smith NET-Illinois State University Message-ID: <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote: I put up yet another OPENSTEP for Windows NT > Screen shot showing the following applications: > > 1. IconDock (Application Launcher shareware) by Tony Chow > 2. Create (Drawing Program) by Stone Design > 3. ProjectBuilder (Software Development tool) by NeXT > 4. InterfaceBuilder (Visual Interface Builder) by NeXT > 5. Preview (Postscript and EPS previewer) > > You can find it at: > > http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html Cool! Please post more! ALso, does BSD Lite come with OPENSTEP for NT as it does for WEBOBJECTS for NT? Thanks -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services---Illinois State University "I first saw NeXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away." - Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc. CEO ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JAZ Drive Probs on NeXT Cube? References: <5hep5e$8uo$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <333f1a0c.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 31 Mar 97 01:57:32 GMT dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) wrote: >HI >I'd like to put a Jaz drive as a peripheral device on my venerable NeXT 68040 Cube. > >Anyone know how to do it? I've received conflicting reports: format, do... Go see these two Next answers: 2154_Iomega_Jaz_Drive_disktab.rtf http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2154.htmld/2154.html 2155_Iomega_Jaz_Drive_Package_Overview.rtf http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2155.htmld/2155.html
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cable modem (Continental Cable / Boston) and NeXT Date: 29 Mar 97 00:23:48 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Mar29002348@slave.one.net> References: <5hc894$ea2$1@decius.ultra.net> <5hckq3$g91@news.next.com> In-reply-to: jkeenan@next.com's message of 27 Mar 1997 02:08:02 GMT In article <5hckq3$g91@news.next.com>, jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) writes: In article <5hc894$ea2$1@decius.ultra.net>, mkretsch@ultranet.com writes: > I recently inquired with Cotinental Cable about their new high > speed cable modem setups. A person of rather little knowledge > told me on the phone that "we do not support UNIX, get Windooze". > > Has anybody managed to get CC's cable modems (with their dynamic > IPs) to work on a machine running NEXTSTEP (I have a TurboColor > at home and NS Intel 3.3 at work) ? Actually, this is going to be fairly difficult. A friend of mine works for Continental, actually manages the infrastructure connecting their cable plant to their Internet connection. Anyway, their cable-side IP setup uses DHCP to assign IP addresses on the fly to the set-top boxe connections. There's no way to make NextStep act like a DHCP client without some serious hacking. You'd have to port a DHCP client program, then figure out a way to make it reset the IP address of the network port and reinitialize. All without screwing up already running processes. I recently (w/in 24 hours) finished setting up a Linux box to do IP-Masquerading for my private network. I seem to recall seeing something about making Linux do DHCP. That combination would allow you to do it somewhat close to "right", albeit at some slight pocketbook expense for a Linux box plus some fairly _extreme_ brainsweat. Hey, it's a learning experience ... Actually, it may be worse than that. Last I heard, many people looking into this were finding that the cableco's are using a non-standard DHCP, and you use their software or you don't use their system. Not sure if this is part of the long-term plan, or if it's just a matter of not wanting to deal with oddballs during testing. Personally, I went with ISDN because I got sick of waiting for the various cableco's and telco's to quit attempting to paper the entire planet with press releases and start _doing_ something. I'd love to have IDSL, though, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: 29 Mar 97 00:27:33 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> In-reply-to: "Jeffrey S. Dutky"'s message of Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:12:29 -0500 In article <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu>, "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the case. I doubt that is was pure coincidence that the NeXT stopped reporting NO SPACE at the same instant that the free space on the linux drive fell below 2GB. Maybe this restriction was fixed in a later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). It might just be an oddity in the calculation Workspace uses to figure out if there's no space. Did you try doing df from a shell window? That may (or may not) show different results. When it said "no space", did you try creating files? I'd expect it to continue to work, even if Workspace is confused. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: hnle@lazrus.cca.rockwell.com (Hai N. Le) Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: looking for NeXTstep font utilities Date: 31 Mar 1997 16:31:15 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins, Cedar Rapids, IA Message-ID: <5hoosj$ho2@castor.cca.rockwell.com> Originator: hnle@porter.cca.rockwell.com I'm looking for a software called T1utils-1.1 . According to the comp.fonts FAQ web page, this is a collection of command-line programs that manipulate PS Type1 fonts. These programs are supposed to be available at the NeXTsoftware archives , cs.orst.edu, but I can't download them for some reasons. Please let me know if you have a copy of T1utils-1.1. Thanks. Hai Le
From: Mark Lasersohn <laser@cowhouse.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: installation problem Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:27:04 -0500 Organization: Cow House Productions Message-ID: <33411B38.41C6@cowhouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have NS 3.2 and during installation my p133 hangs right after the message "Registering PCKeyboard0". Can anyone help, please? -- Mark Lasersohn Cow House Productions laser@cowhouse.com http://www.cowhouse.com 330-569-7492
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:49:55 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <3341BB43.5D02@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi To: eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Eric A. Dubiel wrote: > Cool! Please post more! Sure thing :-) I now have a series of images showing how drag and drop works between OPENSTEP applications (e.g. Create.app) and Windows NT applications (e.g. Photoshop) point your browsers at: http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: Kent Davis <kdavis@apk.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: installation problem Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 02:14:12 -0500 Organization: APK Net, Ltd. Message-ID: <33420744.480@apk.net> References: <33411B38.41C6@cowhouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mark Lasersohn <laser@cowhouse.com> Mark Lasersohn wrote: I have NS 3.2 and during installation my p133 hangs right after the message "Registering PCKeyboard0". Can anyone help, please? -- Mark Lasersohn Cow House Productions laser@cowhouse.com http://www.cowhouse.com 330-569-7492 Upgrade to 3.3 or higher, 3.2 can not handle pci bus or plug and play bios and lot of other newer things on PC's. I did have 3.2 working on a P200/pro but it was not worth it.
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 2 Apr 1997 23:23:56 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? Thanks Please send comments/answers directly to quinonez@ucla.edu -- _____________________________________________ G. Quinonez, MD <quinonez@ucla.edu> NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:45:07 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "G. Quinonez" <quinonez@ucla.edu> In-Reply-To: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> > > Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean > that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? Yes -- any app which is a true OpenStep App (ie not just a NeXTStep app running under OpenStep/Mach) can be compiled to run on OpenStep/NT. You can use the NT apps alongside the OS ones. In fact Wassim Jabi <wjabi@arch.Buffalo.EDU> has some screen shots of OS/NT at http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "Give a man a piece of working code and you solve his problem. Teach a man to write code and you give him a lifetime of new problems" -- me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Message-ID: <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:44:34 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom14.netcom.com >In article <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu>, > "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: > Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue > over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the > case. I doubt that is was pure coincidence that the NeXT stopped > reporting NO SPACE at the same instant that the free space on the > linux drive fell below 2GB. Maybe this restriction was fixed in a > later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). Just a data. Workspace properly recognizes large devices (eg. 16GB RAID) which are NFS mounted in NS3.3 and OS4.1. I'd say it a "feature" in NS3.0. :-( -Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with serial port and PPP Date: 2 Apr 1997 14:12:09 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5htpfp$d86@hagen.amg.de> Hi NextFolks, I've got another problem with OPENSTEP/INTEL: When I boot up my machine with -v OPENSTEP tells me, that the ISASerialPortDriver is installed for COM1 and for COM2. But when I want to use tip to get on /dev/cub or /dev/cua (the same with cufa, cufb) I get the message /dev/cux (where x is a, b, fa, fb): no such device. What am I doing wrong ? Thanks Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where has Optimal Object gone? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:34:21 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg49991.thr-d3d43381.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <1997Apr2.152455@umiami> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg49991.thr-d3d43381.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu,UseNet writes:</bold> >Is Optimal Object, Inc. gone? I called their 800 >and toll numbers to see if we could buy some more >Pentium OpenStep workstations and software from >them. >So, if they are gone, who is handling software >now .. NeXT or Lighthouse software, for example? You can call NeXT directly about software.(academic prices remain if that's an issue). >Is their any current hardware specialist? There are several: http://www.blackholeinc.com/ http://www.bifrostworks.com/MainFrame.html¿ http://www.deepspacetech.com/¿ http://www.ibgi.com/nextsale.htm¿ http://www.orb.com/¿ -- David Herren -------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ General: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu NeXTMail only: herren@barcelona.middlebury.edu
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem with serial port and PPP Date: 2 Apr 1997 18:36:30 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5hu8vf$l1r@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5htpfp$d86@hagen.amg.de> In article <5htpfp$d86@hagen.amg.de> m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) writes: > Hi NextFolks, > > I've got another problem with OPENSTEP/INTEL: You've installed the PortServer driver, right? (-; -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 3 Apr 1997 14:52:39 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5i0g7n$3kn@news-central.tiac.net> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> On 04/02/97, Timothy Luoma wrote: > >> >> Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean >> that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? > >Yes -- any app which is a true OpenStep App (ie not just a NeXTStep app >running under OpenStep/Mach) can be compiled to run on OpenStep/NT. Well, after almost 9 months of OpenStep NT development experience I tend to disagree. Yes, you're right that *true* OpenStep app could be compiled for NT (with minor GUI modifications), but even with OpenStep in any non-trivial app you'll still end up with #ifdef's, so... Needless to say that it's almost impossible to make OpenStep NT apps good Windows sitizens Aleksey
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where has Optimal Object gone? Date: 2 Apr 97 15:24:55 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Message-ID: <1997Apr2.152455@umiami> Is Optimal Object, Inc. gone? I called their 800 and toll numbers to see if we could buy some more Pentium OpenStep workstations and software from them. So, if they are gone, who is handling software now .. NeXT or Lighthouse software, for example? Is their any current hardware specialist? Tom Herbert University of Miami therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
From: spammers@ruin.the.internet Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: 3 Apr 1997 19:23:25 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> Cc: cdouty@netcom.com In <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> Chris Douty wrote: > >In article <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu>, > > "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: > > Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue > > over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the > > case. I doubt that is was pure coincidence that the NeXT stopped > > reporting NO SPACE at the same instant that the free space on the > > linux drive fell below 2GB. Maybe this restriction was fixed in a > > later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). > > Just a data. Workspace properly recognizes large devices (eg. > 16GB RAID) which are NFS mounted in NS3.3 and OS4.1. I'd say it a > "feature" in NS3.0. :-( > Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and everything). Now if I could figure out a more clever way to export removable media to other machines on the network that'd be a bonus. BTW: Support for DOS removable MO media on black hardware is just plain Broken. Randy rencsok at channelu dot com OR at argus dot cem dot msu dot edu -- Randy Rencsok General UNIX, NeXTStep, IRIX Admining, Turbo Software Consulting, Programming, etc.) Note: My reply to header is invalid because parsing spammers are abusing any use of dead@eatthis.spammers.channelu.com type labels in public posts. First it was the easy Reply-To: fields we all know & love. Now it's text itself. I'd love to see a parser that can discern the intended meaning of the word at and the name rencsok (etc) and equate it to channelu dot com to reconstruct my address.. :} But then a parser still has a lot of header fields to play with :(
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: 2 Apr 1997 19:26:16 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5hubso$lhs@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <3341BB43.5D02@arch.buffalo.edu> hello, Where is the site for IconDock running on NT? thanks! kai -- Software Engineer email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/ PGP fingerprint <1B 67 F5 6C C4 44 4F 87 52 F7 61 C7 8E D0 36 40> finger kwong@plato.ucs.mun.ca to get PGP public key.
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail.app on NT sighting Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:33:29 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <33443039.6675@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi G. Quinonez wrote: > > Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean > that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? > > Thanks > Please send comments/answers directly to quinonez@ucla.edu > > -- > _____________________________________________ > G. Quinonez, MD <quinonez@ucla.edu> > NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 > NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome > http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/ You know... I just discovered that on NeXT's site they have a screen shot of WebObjects Builder that shows NeXT's Mail.app icon on the desktop... I wonder why they don't have it included with OPENSTEP ENTERPRISE/NT take a look: http://www.next.com:80/AboutNeXT/PressKit/ScreenShots.htmld/wob-screenshot.gif -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where has Optimal Object gone? Date: 2 Apr 97 17:41:14 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Message-ID: <1997Apr2.174114@umiami> References: <1997Apr2.152455@umiami> In article <1997Apr2.152455@umiami>, therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) writes: > Is Optimal Object, Inc. gone? I called their 800 > and toll numbers to see if we could buy some more > Pentium OpenStep workstations and software from > them. > > So, if they are gone, who is handling software > now .. NeXT or Lighthouse software, for example? > > Is their any current hardware specialist? > > Tom Herbert > University of Miami > I called NeXT .. Optimal Object closed its doors a few days ago ... They suggest contacting univ. bookstores for academic bundles. The rep. I talked to says that Apple will take over distribution of software soon. No word on someone to take over Optimal Object's role as a hardware and software distributor but Apple/NeXT rep. said someone is interested. Tom
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Unix talk not working under 4.0 Date: 2 Apr 97 17:36:53 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Message-ID: <1997Apr2.173653@umiami> Once more I will ask a question which I have not yet been able to answer: On my OpenStep 4.0 system, everything works great (that I can tell) except that I have never been able to get Unix talk to work. Moreover, the talk from 3.2 doesn't work either. (Maybe the one supplied with 4.0 is really the 3.2 or 3.3 binary>) I get the following message when I try to talk: [Couldn't bind to control socket : Can't assign requested address (49)] I tried the old ytalk but it gave a similar message. And, an attempt to compile ytalk under 4.0 gave error messages .. probably my lack of knowledge on where the correct libraries are. Any ideas? Is this a bug or incompatibility in using the old talk binary on 4.0 or did something else happen. (I had a problem early on when I tried to use TeXMenu .. but I can't find any lock files or anything.) Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'd really like to be talk-ing .. Its been some months now and no solution is in sight. Tom Herbert University of Miami therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mail.app on NT sighting Date: 4 Apr 1997 03:36:19 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5i1svj$p63@news-central.tiac.net> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <33443039.6675@arch.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <33443039.6675@arch.buffalo.edu> >You know... I just discovered that on NeXT's site they >have a screen shot of WebObjects Builder that shows >NeXT's Mail.app icon on the desktop... I wonder why >they don't have it included with OPENSTEP ENTERPRISE/NT >take a look: >http://www.next.com:80/AboutNeXT/PressKit/ScreenShots.htmld/wob-scree nshot.gif Well, one of screen shots at http://www.next.com actually had new Mail.app window back to OpenStep 4.0 PR1 time, but it look completely different from what is available for Mach (very simple). Anybody else saw that or was I dreaming again? Aleksey
From: steffi@dgs.dgsys.com (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: 2 Apr 1997 13:32:04 -0500 Organization: Digital Gateway Systems Message-ID: <5hu8n4$j90@DGS.dgsys.com> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Yeh but I really hate the way Icon dock has to have the icon for each app configured separately. That bites.
From: richardfeinberg@usa.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:08:18 Message-ID: <cancel.5hui8o$n5f@usenet85.supernews.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <5hui8o$n5f@usenet85.supernews.com> Control: cancel <5hui8o$n5f@usenet85.supernews.com> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Thu Apr 3 01:07:46 1997 Original subject was: FIREARMS SALE
From: Sasha Mitchell <sasha@netnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Petro Tyschtschenko, Jean-Louis Gassee, Phase5 & AntiGravity!!! Date: 04 Apr 1997 03:29:18 -0600 Organization: Toro Message-ID: <5i2hpp$int$1@newserve.gulftel.com> References: groups/p.sys.amiga.advocacy/67009.head <5i2gt8$i3v$2@newserve.gulftel.com> On 04 Apr 1997 03:14:07 Sasha Mitchell wrote about "Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko, & AntiGravity!!": > > Here are the latest comments on the Amiga purchase by Gateway. Comments are from > Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko of Amiga International, and AntiGravity! > > Be Newsletter, Issue 67 > > [http://mirsky.com/wow/] > > Be Newsletter > > Issue 67, April 2, 1997 > > > Temptations > > By Jean-Louis Gassee > > Writing a column on April Fool's Day brings many tempting topics to mind. But a > fake press release, with a carefully selected choice of buzzwords and > content-free sentences trumpeting Be's licensing of OpenDoc, would be poor > timing after all. It's one thing to have fun at the expense of the powerful, > it's another to satirize people when they're in trouble. And we find several > recent decisions at Apple, such as dropping OpenDoc, rather encouraging. OpenDoc > had ambitious goals, but the size of the implementation, its timing, and the > arrival of Java made it a problematic proposition even before the purchase of > NeXT. > > Still on the April Fool's topic, Gateway 2000 just announced their acquisition > of the assets of Amiga Technologies, the German company that had acquired rights > to the Amiga from Commodore after the company went under. I learned this from > one of our engineers, an early Amiga fan, who e-mailed me a copy of a Reuters > dispatch. Seeing the date, knowing he's prone to pranks, remembering his > association with the Amiga, I thought he had crafted the whole story and > proceeded to congratulate him on yet another bit of creative writing. At first, > I didn't believe his protests, he was laughing too hard while explaining he was > too busy working on DR9. He pointed me to Gateway's Web site, and I stopped > suspecting a prank when I saw the March 27 date on the Gateway announcement. My > guess is that Gateway is looking for multimedia expansions to their product > line. They've been shipping the large-screen PC TV for a while, and Amiga used > to be the multimedia innovator in the PC business before Commodore and Escom > (the German company that owned Amiga Technologies) got in trouble, taking the > Amiga with them.Amiga technologies might have had some exciting technology under > development. We'll see. It's good to know a company such as Gateway is > interested in the Amiga world. > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > Anti Gravity Products Responds to Amiga Acquisition > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Santa Monica, Ca., March 31, 1997 -- Anti Gravity Products President, Dan Lutz, > has issued the following statement in reaction to the news that Gateway 2000 has > purchased the Amiga Technologies. > > "I'ts great news that the Amiga has been purchased by an American company with > such prestige in the computer industry. Gateways marketing savvy and successful > promotion of its products is a refreshing change from the Commodore Dominon of > old. Amiga owners have long know the value of the muti-tasking Amiga OS and > custom chipset. Plug & Play was not even a term on the Amiga, it always existed. > Multi-tasking which everyone strives for on the PC and a lack of it is killing > the Mac, has been there from the beginning with the Amiga OS. The Amiga gave > birth to the Desktop Video revolution, the 3D animation revolution, the all > encompassing Multi-Media revolution and last but not least the Virtual Reality > revolution. Which such potential for creating new industries Amiga Technology > has a bright future to provide Gateway 2000 with intellectual property that will > guarantee their dominace in some of the upcoming technologies such as Internet > set-top boxes, Internet Multi-Media Kiosk systems etc. We have noticed a surge > in business ever since this announcement. That is why this press release which > was started on March 27th is only now finished. Anti Gravity Labs currently has > many Amiga products in development that will be released now that the Amiga > buyout standstill is over. The Pentitrator Pro should ship in mid 1997. This > card for the Amiga uses the Intel Pentium Pro processor clocked at 200Mhz, the > user will also have the option to add PCI slots.Anti Gravity Products produces > and distributes a line of Amiga hardware & software products, including the > Pentitrator card, Pixel 3D 2.1, Siamese system, Solar System Kit, Snap Maps, > Imagevision. Web site: http://www.antigravity.com > > Anti Gravity Products > > 1649 16th Street > > Santa Monica, Ca 90404 > > USA > > http://www.antigravity.com > > antigrav@ix.netcom.com > > phone (orders only) 1-800-7-GRAVITY > > fax +1-310-576-6383 > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > his interview has been done at the 1st of April at 2:30pm by Juergen Schmitz fuer > die Trierer Campuszeitung Neue Universal anlaesslich for the > University/Technical Highschool Newspaper "Neue Universal" in order to cover the > Magic Amiga Days Trier (MTT97) which take place at the April 19/20 in the > C-Building of the University-Trier.There will be an additional report regarding > the MTT97 in the newspaper, which is released at April 14th.Remember: This > interview is contains just a preview-part of the newspaper.Changes are > prohibited. > > The interview is available from http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju/amt.html where > you can find more information-links regarding the MTT97.The english header-version > is shortened a little bit anyway.Sorry about possible translation mistakes. Anyway the text > should be readable for anybody. It's not an april-joke. The translation took > place at 04/02/97 7pm! ...cut...We spoke to Petro Tyschtschenko who appears > maybe at the MTT97 about the amiga-future: > > NU: Would you appear at the Magic Amiga Days Trier? PT: I did not receive an official invitation yet. But the 19th > and 20th of April is OK for me and i will make it possible to join the show and > give an official statement there.NU: How are things going on with the Amiga? PT: > The Amiga has a good future for sure. Gateway2000 is a wonderful and > professional mother-company with a very good market reputation. > > NU: What about the future of the german Amiga-distribution system? PT: The existing > distribution-channels will remain as they are. The Gateway2000 distribtion- > structure is completely independent from Amiga. > > NU: What do you think was the real reason for Gateway2000 buying Amiga Technologies? PT: Just think about our > operating system. It's the best of the whole world! Our technology, which is a > little bit covered with dust (interviewers comment: Mr Tyschtschenko means the > bankruptcy related OS-developing problems) isn't that bad if you remove the dust > and develop it to a new level.NU: Ah, Gateway2000 seems to be interested in > further developments of the Amiga-OS and isn't just interested in patent rights? > PT: I believe so. Yes! > > NU: Thanks for the interview and good luck with your new company. > > Jürgen Schmitz, NU97 schmitju@fh-trier.de > http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > phase 5 News A statement about Gateway 2000 as the new owner of Amiga Technologies Oberursel, April 3, 1997: phase 5 digital products, a leading vendor of CPU Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for Amiga computers, today welcomes Gateway 2000 as the new owner of Amiga Technologies. "We appreciate the fact that with Gateway 2000 a new owner is going to take over Amiga Technologies, who can provide a strong base for a future development of the Amiga and the Amiga market" says Wolf Dietrich, General Manager of phase 5."We hope that Gateway 2000 will be interested in the future of the Amiga itself as an alternative computer system. With their economical strength and market position, Gateway 2000 can start the creation of new products with a vision for the future, not being limited by short-term economical constraints. Insofar, we believe that there are big chances for the Amiga future if Gateway 2000 understands the heart and soul of the Amiga and it's users." With it's leading position in development and integration of next generation, PowerPC-based processor cards into existing Amiga systems phase 5 digital products since end of 1995 has undertaken pioneering steps, the results of which the company is ready to share with Gateway 2000 and Amiga International. "Once again, we are open for a technological cooperation which could result in nearly immediate availability of powerful and inexpensive new technology for the Amiga" comments Wolf Dietrich. "A year ago, we had already started such a cooperation, before Amiga Technologies cancelled all development on their side. We have continued with the project that we had initiated, and today we are just weeks ago from the release of a new, sensational product generation. We will contact Amiga International in the near future, to discuss the opportunities for technological exchange, and if it is wanted, we are ready for an extensive cooperation both on the hardware and the software sector." phase 5 digital products is a technologically leading vendor of CPU Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for the Amiga computers. Since end of 1995, the company has sold some 60,000 add-on products in a value of some DM 25 million to Amiga users all over the world. With it's continuing development efforts phase 5 digital products is pioneering innovative projects such as the PowerPC-based PowerUp Processor Cards for Amiga systems (see the Cyberstorm PPC and the Blizzard 603e Power Board press release) and the development of the custom-chip based A\BOX Computer System, which is following the Amiga vision on a technological level that is prepared for the next decade. < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... >
From: Sasha Mitchell <sasha@netnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Petro Tyschtschenko, Jean-Louis Gassee, Phase5 & AntiGravity!!! Date: 04 Apr 1997 03:36:29 -0600 Organization: Toro Message-ID: <5i2i77$j33$1@newserve.gulftel.com> References: groups/comp.sys.mac.misc/78158.head <5i2hpp$int$1@newserve.gulftel.com> On 04 Apr 1997 03:29:18 Sasha Mitchell wrote about "Re: Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Petro Tyschtschenko, Jean-Louis Gassee, Phase5 & AntiGravity!!": > > > On 04 Apr 1997 03:14:07 Sasha Mitchell wrote about "Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko, >Phase5 & AntiGravity!!": > > > > > Here are the latest comments on the Amiga purchase by Gateway. Comments are from > > Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko of Amiga International, Phase5 and AntiGravity! > > > > Be Newsletter, Issue 67 > > > > [http://mirsky.com/wow/] > > > > Be Newsletter > > > > Issue 67, April 2, 1997 > > > > > > Temptations > > > > By Jean-Louis Gassee > > > > Writing a column on April Fool's Day brings many tempting topics to mind. But a > > fake press release, with a carefully selected choice of buzzwords and > > content-free sentences trumpeting Be's licensing of OpenDoc, would be poor > > timing after all. It's one thing to have fun at the expense of the powerful, > > it's another to satirize people when they're in trouble. And we find several > > recent decisions at Apple, such as dropping OpenDoc, rather encouraging. OpenDoc > > had ambitious goals, but the size of the implementation, its timing, and the > > arrival of Java made it a problematic proposition even before the purchase of > > NeXT. > > > > Still on the April Fool's topic, Gateway 2000 just announced their acquisition > > of the assets of Amiga Technologies, the German company that had acquired rights > > to the Amiga from Commodore after the company went under. I learned this from > > one of our engineers, an early Amiga fan, who e-mailed me a copy of a Reuters > > dispatch. Seeing the date, knowing he's prone to pranks, remembering his > > association with the Amiga, I thought he had crafted the whole story and > > proceeded to congratulate him on yet another bit of creative writing. At first, > > I didn't believe his protests, he was laughing too hard while explaining he was > > too busy working on DR9. He pointed me to Gateway's Web site, and I stopped > > suspecting a prank when I saw the March 27 date on the Gateway announcement. My > > guess is that Gateway is looking for multimedia expansions to their product > > line. They've been shipping the large-screen PC TV for a while, and Amiga used > > to be the multimedia innovator in the PC business before Commodore and Escom > > (the German company that owned Amiga Technologies) got in trouble, taking the > > Amiga with them.Amiga technologies might have had some exciting technology under > > development. We'll see. It's good to know a company such as Gateway is > > interested in the Amiga world. > > > > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > > > > Anti Gravity Products Responds to Amiga Acquisition > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > Santa Monica, Ca., March 31, 1997 -- Anti Gravity Products President, Dan Lutz, > > has issued the following statement in reaction to the news that Gateway 2000 has > > purchased the Amiga Technologies. > > > > "I'ts great news that the Amiga has been purchased by an American company with > > such prestige in the computer industry. Gateways marketing savvy and successful > > promotion of its products is a refreshing change from the Commodore Dominon of > > old. Amiga owners have long know the value of the muti-tasking Amiga OS and > > custom chipset. Plug & Play was not even a term on the Amiga, it always existed. > > Multi-tasking which everyone strives for on the PC and a lack of it is killing > > the Mac, has been there from the beginning with the Amiga OS. The Amiga gave > > birth to the Desktop Video revolution, the 3D animation revolution, the all > > encompassing Multi-Media revolution and last but not least the Virtual Reality > > revolution. Which such potential for creating new industries Amiga Technology > > has a bright future to provide Gateway 2000 with intellectual property that will > > guarantee their dominace in some of the upcoming technologies such as Internet > > set-top boxes, Internet Multi-Media Kiosk systems etc. We have noticed a surge > > in business ever since this announcement. That is why this press release which > > was started on March 27th is only now finished. Anti Gravity Labs currently has > > many Amiga products in development that will be released now that the Amiga > > buyout standstill is over. The Pentitrator Pro should ship in mid 1997. This > > card for the Amiga uses the Intel Pentium Pro processor clocked at 200Mhz, the > > user will also have the option to add PCI slots.Anti Gravity Products produces > > and distributes a line of Amiga hardware & software products, including the > > Pentitrator card, Pixel 3D 2.1, Siamese system, Solar System Kit, Snap Maps, > > Imagevision. Web site: http://www.antigravity.com > > > > Anti Gravity Products > > > > 1649 16th Street > > > > Santa Monica, Ca 90404 > > > > USA > > > > http://www.antigravity.com > > > > antigrav@ix.netcom.com > > > > phone (orders only) 1-800-7-GRAVITY > > > > fax +1-310-576-6383 > > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > > his interview has been done at the 1st of April at 2:30pm by Juergen Schmitz fuer > > die Trierer Campuszeitung Neue Universal anlaesslich for the > > University/Technical Highschool Newspaper "Neue Universal" in order to cover the > > Magic Amiga Days Trier (MTT97) which take place at the April 19/20 in the > > C-Building of the University-Trier.There will be an additional report regarding > > the MTT97 in the newspaper, which is released at April 14th.Remember: This > > interview is contains just a preview-part of the newspaper.Changes are > > prohibited. > > > > The interview is available from http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju/amt.html where > > you can find more information-links regarding the MTT97.The english header-version > > is shortened a little bit anyway.Sorry about possible translation mistakes. Anyway the text > > should be readable for anybody. It's not an april-joke. The translation took > > place at 04/02/97 7pm! ...cut...We spoke to Petro Tyschtschenko who appears > > maybe at the MTT97 about the amiga-future: > > > > NU: Would you appear at the Magic Amiga Days Trier? PT: I did not receive an official invitation yet. But the 19th > > and 20th of April is OK for me and i will make it possible to join the show and > > give an official statement there.NU: How are things going on with the Amiga? PT: > > The Amiga has a good future for sure. Gateway2000 is a wonderful and > > professional mother-company with a very good market reputation. > > > > NU: What about the future of the german Amiga-distribution system? PT: The existing > > distribution-channels will remain as they are. The Gateway2000 distribtion- > > structure is completely independent from Amiga. > > > > NU: What do you think was the real reason for Gateway2000 buying Amiga Technologies? PT: Just think about our > > operating system. It's the best of the whole world! Our technology, which is a > > little bit covered with dust (interviewers comment: Mr Tyschtschenko means the > > bankruptcy related OS-developing problems) isn't that bad if you remove the dust > > and develop it to a new level.NU: Ah, Gateway2000 seems to be interested in > > further developments of the Amiga-OS and isn't just interested in patent rights? > > PT: I believe so. Yes! > > > > NU: Thanks for the interview and good luck with your new company. > > > > Jürgen Schmitz, NU97 schmitju@fh-trier.de > > http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju > > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > phase 5 News > > A statement about Gateway 2000 as the new owner > of Amiga Technologies > > Oberursel, April 3, 1997: phase 5 digital products, a leading vendor of CPU > Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for Amiga computers, today welcomes > Gateway 2000 as the new owner of Amiga Technologies. > > "We appreciate the fact that with Gateway 2000 a new owner is going to take > over Amiga Technologies, who can provide a strong base for a future development > of the Amiga and the Amiga market" says Wolf Dietrich, General Manager of phase > 5."We hope that Gateway 2000 will be interested in the future of the Amiga > itself as an alternative computer system. With their economical strength and > market position, Gateway 2000 can start the creation of new products with a > vision for the future, not being limited by short-term economical constraints. > Insofar, we believe that there are big chances for the Amiga future if Gateway > 2000 understands the heart and soul of the Amiga and it's users." > > With it's leading position in development and integration of next generation, > PowerPC-based processor cards into existing Amiga systems phase 5 digital > products since end of 1995 has undertaken pioneering steps, the results of which > the company is ready to share with Gateway 2000 and Amiga International. "Once > again, we are open for a technological cooperation which could result in nearly > immediate availability of powerful and inexpensive new technology for the Amiga" > comments Wolf Dietrich. "A year ago, we had already started such a cooperation, > before Amiga Technologies cancelled all development on their side. We have > continued with the project that we had initiated, and today we are just weeks > ago from the release of a new, sensational product generation. We will contact > Amiga International in the near future, to discuss the opportunities for > technological exchange, and if it is wanted, we are ready for an extensive > cooperation both on the hardware and the software sector." > > phase 5 digital products is a technologically leading vendor of CPU > Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for the Amiga computers. Since end > of 1995, the company has sold some 60,000 add-on products in a value of some DM > 25 million to Amiga users all over the world. With it's continuing development > efforts phase 5 digital products is pioneering innovative projects such as the > PowerPC-based PowerUp Processor Cards for Amiga systems (see the Cyberstorm PPC > and the Blizzard 603e Power Board press release) and the development of the > custom-chip based A\BOX Computer System, which is following the Amiga vision on > a technological level that is prepared for the next decade. > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... >
From: Jesus Izquierdo <krop@mad.servicom.es> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 100Mbps network Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:16:55 +0100 Organization: KROP Audiovisual Systems Message-ID: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somebody has any experience in setting up a 100Mbps network with Next? We have installed one but it doesn't perform as expected, just similar to a 10Mbps network. I would appreciate help on that. Regards: Jesus M. Izquierdo KROP Audiovisual Systems Avenida de Galapagar, 15 Torrejon de Ardoz 28850 Madrid, SPAIN Tel: 34 1 6779774 Fax: 34 1 6778279 E-mail: 72332.3705@compuserve.com
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS March Quiz results, new April Quiz started Date: 4 Apr 1997 15:41:29 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5i37f9$1i2@peng.ping.at> The SSS March Quiz has ended, the winners are drawn, and the new April Quiz has started NOW! For March results as well as for the new April quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Deadline for the new quiz is May 1. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer *or* LatinByrd license, or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 100Mbps network Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:27:16 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970404072658.25900B-100000@kira> References: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jesus Izquierdo <krop@mad.servicom.es> In-Reply-To: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> I do not believe that NeXT hardware can go above 10Mbps TjL
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Faxing -Problem Date: 4 Apr 1997 08:54:27 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5i2fk3$41@hagen.amg.de> Hi there again, I got a problem with my modem used as a fax: I have got a 'Dr. Neuhaus Cybermod 28800' installed as a HSD FaxModem in the PrinterManager. When I want to send a fax, the modem dials the phone-number, I hear that the other fax is responding (you know these strange sounds...;-)), but it does not send anything, I think, because the LED's for sending or receiving to not flash, only the LED for connection and on-line is flashed out. What am I doing wrong ?? Thanks, Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with tip Date: 4 Apr 1997 09:02:11 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5i2g2j$41@hagen.amg.de> Hello, yet another problem to get to my Internet Provider (I installed the Port Server Driver now, thanks to everyone who answered me): I edited /etc/remote to add an entry for my provider, and used the + br option to set the baud rate to 19200 (how to set it higher ?) + du flag Questions: - how to set the br higher than 19200, if I set it to 28800 tip tells me 'bad baud rate' - when I specify the at=hayes option tip tells me something like 'cannot init hayes' (I don't remember the exact words) - when I don't use the at option tip writes 'connected', but I cannot type anything, not even Ctrl-C to exit !! - cu started with cu -l cub -my_providers_phone_number always tells me 'line cub busy' Can you post me your tip /etc/remote config, or help me in any other way, to get a connection by just typing at dp phone_number, see the login, the password line, and start the pppd daemon on my providers server ? I got at least ppp installed, I installed the ISA Serial port Driver, the Port Server driver, now what am I doing wrong again, is it so difficult to get connected to my provider under OPENSTEP (or am I gone mad by using Win95 ??) ;-) Thanks Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 100Mbps network Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:52:15 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Apr4.195215.2369@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970404072658.25900B-100000@kira> In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970404072658.25900B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > I do not believe that NeXT hardware can go above 10Mbps Indeed. And, if you are using a Intel NeXTSTEP network with supported 100Mbps drivers, don't expect a significant improvement unless the network was previously congested. Most systems can't benefit from100Mbps. Note to the original poster: don't expect people to be very willing to respond to you when you cross-post to the wrong news groups. I for one don't respond to multiple posts as a matter of policy. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: "Art lsbell" <arti@address.in.signature> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 5 Apr 1997 03:25:04 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Message-ID: <01bc4170$d7edf4d0$7a2adec7@bozo> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote in article > Yes -- any app which is a true OpenStep App (ie not just a NeXTStep app > running under OpenStep/Mach) can be compiled to run on OpenStep/NT. > > You can use the NT apps alongside the OS ones. It's important to point out that OSE Deployment must be installed on NT or OSE apps won't run. Unfortunately, the cost of OSE Deployment can be pretty expensive. OSE apps won't run on NT as delivered by Microsoft. -- Art Isbell I do not speak for Trego Systems. Trego Systems Non-NeXT Mail: arti at lava dot net OPENSTEP/NT managed care solutions Voice: +1 808 923-1511 x903
From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox Millenium (BLACK SCREEN ON BOOT) Date: 5 Apr 1997 04:47:50 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i4lhm$bhl@boursy.news.erols.com> Keywords: Matrox NeXTSTEP blank The above address is not correct, please send replies to gcasamen@erols.com.... thanks. Hi, I am having the following problem. I own a Matrox Millenium video card. Recently upon booting up the machine I have been experiencingoccasions when the login screen will not come up and the monitor remainsdark. One of the lights on the front of the monitor flashes as ifit is not recieving a signal. I have no idea what might be causing this. I (unfortunately) also have Windows 95 on my machine and I have never had any problems with the display coming up with it. The "Boot Graphics" option is set to "Yes" currently. I am going to try setting it to "No" to see if that makes a difference. What confuses me the most is that this is only an occasional problem. My System is configured as follows: P200 w/ 512kb cache and 32MB RAM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB WRAM SoundBlaster 16 (non-PnP) 33.6 KBps US Robotics Modem 1.6GB EIDE Hard Disk Drive 8x Mitsumi ATAPI compliant CD-ROM CTX 17" Monitor .25 dot pitch (max res 1600x1200) usually runs at 1280x1024 w/65536 colors. Thanks in advance for any advice or help regarding this problem. Greg C. Please e-mail me back at gcasamen@erols.com, or post to this newsgroup.
From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox Millenium (BLACK SCREEN) Date: 5 Apr 1997 04:49:49 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i4lld$cen@boursy.news.erols.com> Keywords: Matrox NeXTSTEP blank The above address is not correct, please send replies to gcasamen@erols.com.... thanks. Hi, I am having the following problem. I own a Matrox Millenium video card. Recently upon booting up the machine I have been experiencingoccasions when the login screen will not come up and the monitor remainsdark. One of the lights on the front of the monitor flashes as ifit is not recieving a signal. I have no idea what might be causing this. I (unfortunately) also have Windows 95 on my machine and I have never had any problems with the display coming up with it. The "Boot Graphics" option is set to "Yes" currently. I am going to try setting it to "No" to see if that makes a difference. What confuses me the most is that this is only an occasional problem. My System is configured as follows: P200 w/ 512kb cache and 32MB RAM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB WRAM SoundBlaster 16 (non-PnP) 33.6 KBps US Robotics Modem 1.6GB EIDE Hard Disk Drive 8x Mitsumi ATAPI compliant CD-ROM CTX 17" Monitor .25 dot pitch (max res 1600x1200) usually runs at 1280x1024 w/65536 colors. Thanks in advance for any advice or help regarding this problem. Greg C. Please e-mail me back at gcasamen@erols.com, or post to this newsgroup.
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Graphics Tablet Installation Date: 5 Apr 1997 05:09:21 GMT Message-ID: <5i4mq1$8ko@news1-alterdial.uu.net> hey guys'n'gals, for connection to my twin-faced nd system i just borrowed a wacom tablet, 12" x 12" format just like it says you gotta have in the manual. wacom model nr UD-1212-R. installation seems to go smoothly, until i try the pen. in "absolute" mode the cursor won't budge from the upper left corner of the left (mono) screen, while in "relative" mode it won't move outa the lower left corner of the right-hand (color) monitor, being also the lower right-hand corner of the mono screen. i have restarted/reinstalled/played with turning off one screen etc. . . w/ no success. anybody know what i can try to get this baby rolling? thanks, chris borden cdb@thoughtport.com
From: gback@teleport.com (George Back & Diane McManus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TypeView for NeXT Computers - For Sale $9.99 Starting Bid Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 21:11:13 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Sender: -yp- @ptp-195.cport.com Message-ID: <gback-0404972111130001@ptp-195.cport.com> If interested, go to http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=rlc3807 TypeView for NeXT Computers Quick Index: Extras, Product Description, System Requirements, What's in the package, Who should NOT buy this, Questions?, Shipping and Payment -------------------------------------------------------- Extras: -Attention Resellers: Brand NEW and Still In the Shrink Wrap!- (Click Here To See Some Other New and Like-New Items I Have For Sale) Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------- Description: TypeView for NeXT Computers "A complete software package for understanding, accessing, and using all features of fonts" TypeView is the perfect companion product for any Desktop Publishing, Illustration, or Presentation Software Package. TypeView allows you to quickly view the entire character set of a particular font, locate an unusual character and copy and paste into your document, and allow you to see paragraphs of text in many type families, styles and sizes. All of TypeView's features allow you to quickly analyze text and access characters in your font file. TypeView works within the NeXT services framework and can be launched by opening font files. It lets you spend more time being creative, imaginative, and more resourceful. If you are an expert graphic designer, TypeView can expose the subtleties of typefaces-details that are often hidden by the computer. Even if you have only a limited knowledge of typefaces, TypeView can greatly improve your access and control of typefaces and type attributes. (Yes, all the above came right off the package.) OK, Now Go to http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=rlc3807 to Bid on this or you'll have to read this: OK, You were Warned! Take The Day Off CREDIT: The Washington Post contest: Best Reasons for not coming to work * If it is all the same to you I won't be coming to work. The voices told me to clean all the guns today. * When I got up this morning I took two Ex-Lax in addition to my Prozac. I can't get off the john, but I feel good about it. * I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half back an hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum loop, reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). I was able to exit the loop only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly e*log(pi) clocks in the house while simultaneously rapping my dog on the snout with a rolled up Times. Accordingly, I will be in late, or early. * My stigma's acting up. * I can't come in to work today because I'll be stalking my previous boss, who fired me for not showing up for work. 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From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox Millenium (BLACK SCREEN ON BOOT) Date: 5 Apr 1997 04:47:08 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i4lgc$b8m@boursy.news.erols.com> Keywords: Matrox NeXTSTEP blank Reply-To: gcasamen@erols.com Hi, I am having the following problem. I own a Matrox Millenium video card. Recently upon booting up the machine I have been experiencingoccasions when the login screen will not come up and the monitor remainsdark. One of the lights on the front of the monitor flashes as ifit is not recieving a signal. I have no idea what might be causing this. I (unfortunately) also have Windows 95 on my machine and I have never had any problems with the display coming up with it. The "Boot Graphics" option is set to "Yes" currently. I am going to try setting it to "No" to see if that makes a difference. What confuses me the most is that this is only an occasional problem. My System is configured as follows: P200 w/ 512kb cache and 32MB RAM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB WRAM SoundBlaster 16 (non-PnP) 33.6 KBps US Robotics Modem 1.6GB EIDE Hard Disk Drive 8x Mitsumi ATAPI compliant CD-ROM CTX 17" Monitor .25 dot pitch (max res 1600x1200) usually runs at 1280x1024 w/65536 colors. Thanks in advance for any advice or help regarding this problem. Greg C. Please e-mail me back at gcasamen@erols.com, or post to this newsgroup.
From: Sasha Mitchell <sasha@netnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 04 Apr 1997 23:32:02 -0600 Organization: Toro Message-ID: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> I snipped this after following a new link form the Amiga Web Directory. I found it very interesting, and I hope you do as well. Productive Computer Systems - Channel 303 - Amiga's New Parent Company Gateway 2000 Amiga's New Parent Company [http://www.gw2k.com] March 27, 1997 - Gateway 2000 Acquires Assets of Amiga Technologies April 2, 1997 - Dr. Amiga chats with Gateway's COO Rick Snyder On March 27, 1997 the assets of [http://www.amiga.de] Amiga Technologies were acquired by a very progressive American company - [http://www.gw2k.com] Gateway 2000. [Some very interesting stuff snipped to conserve bandwidth but I recommend that you follow the link from the Amiga Web Directory's New Links and read the whole thing] During the Q&A I asked 1 (one) 3-part :_) question: "Why did Gateway buy Amiga Technologies, what they are planning to do with it and how soon can I get one of their fancy cow-colored boxes with an Amiga in it?" Mr. Snyder replied that it's tough to be specific at this point. He said that when purchasing something during a bankruptcy, you're actually buying an equivalent of a large box with 'stuff' in it. You have an IDEA of what the stuff is, but no clue what the details of the contents are. Until you're given the permission to 'open the box', you can't begin to make any kind of concrete plans regarding it. Even though the offer has been accepted and there are several Gateway 2000 people in Germany working on the details, he has not heard everything from them and therefore does NOT want to mislead anyone or promise something that's not so (remember, what I said earlier about being in Microsoft country - this guy, very obviously, is taking a different approach). After the keynote address, I decided to approach Mr. Snyder and do a follow-up... I asked him if Gateway had people who truly understand what it is that they've got and what can be done with it. I also told him a little bit about the Amiga community and how, if Gateway is to play their cards right, they could gain a small but significant army of their proponents. He didn't specifically say that yes, they did have people who understood, but his non-answer was more of answer to me than if he gave me a direct response. He said that "Gateway could NOT let a technology like that die!" This is a direct quote from his mouth to my face one foot away!!! So, from the above I gathered that even though the situation remains unknown and no specific plans or decisions have been relayed, I really liked what this guy had to say, I liked the company he represents and I liked the approach he's taking toward the future. Considering all of the turmoil with ownership of Amiga since the day it was invented - at this point I'd have to say that Amiga's future has NEVER looked brighter! I'm officially very glad that Gateway 2000 bought the Amiga Technologies. I'm very optimistic about their future plans and Amiga's future under them! From the past experiences, I won't believe anything 100% until I SEE it, yet I remain, cautiously yet extremely optimistic. Considering the name of the company, it's interesting that it matches Amiga community's sincere wishes to have some company be the GATEWAY to take Amiga into the year 2000 :) and beyond... < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... >
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:45:57 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970406094446.22824A-100000@kira> References: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: xjasong@itis.com In-Reply-To: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> You can find a compressed version of gzip here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/gzip.1.2.3.NI.b.tar.Z you can uncompress it with the 'compress' command which is already on your NeXT (/usr/ucb/compress, more than likely) TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator for PEAK Personal NeXT Page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ PEAK NeXT FTP: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ PEAK Web Access: http://www.peak.org/next/
From: anon@anon.com (anon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do about PCI bus on NeXTSTEP 3.2 ? Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:14:25 GMT Organization: IPGKiller Message-ID: <334918d3.7362596@news.alt.net> References: <5i6cfm$5kj@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 Apr 1997 20:25:26 GMT, marcelor@acs.bu.edu wrote: >Hello, > > > I have been running 3.2 on White since it came out. With all >the fuss that was going on when 3.3 came out, I decided >not to upgrade. Over this time I upgraded hardware a >couple of times but kept 3.2 and VL-bus based machines. >Now I've reached the point where I need to move this >machine over to at least a Pentium so I'm wondering if >there is anyway to get the PCI bus drivers from 3.3 working >with 3.2 and how to obtain same if that is possible. > >Thanks, >Marcelo I think that this depends on what you want to run on the PCI bus. I've recently moved 3.2 from a 433dx to a pentium w/ PCI. I use an S3 Trio64V+ PCI card. I also use an Adaptec 1542CF card to control my CD, a small hard disk and an EZ135. I installed 3.2 normally using default VGA without any trouble. Next, I procured the generic S3 driver for 3.3 from nextanswers, and installed it. At this point I had to dive into the driver and manually configure it for the desired resolution, since configure.app for 3.2 doesn't deal well with 3.3 drivers. In any case, after a couple of days of tinkering, experimenting and learning, I got it to work, and it has worked without a hitch since. With that said, I don't know whether the 3.3 drivers (available at nextanswers) will all work as nicely. In particular, I would like to try a PCI SCSI driver but haven't had the cash to plunk down on such a device. Moreover, I've tried to use the newer serial/mouse/server drivers without as much success. Configure.app dies and the machine reboots when I try to install one of these ( can't remember which <urghh>) . But if anyone using 3.3 would care to give values from the instance0 or other files in these drivers ( trolling for a vague sense of direction <g> )... I suspect that this too would be possible. Hell, I'd like to hear if anybody has tried configure.app from 3.3 on 3.2 with any success. This would really ease a lot of pain. Anyway, apologies for rambling. But the upshot is, despite what has always been written about 3.3 drivers not working on 3.2, I've gotten one to work. Maybe a fluke, maybe not. Worth a try from my POV.
From: rgonzal@binghamton.edu (Bob Gonzales) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: window capture Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 19:53:28 GMT Organization: Binghamton University Message-ID: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. Thanks Bob Gonzales
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:34:09 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> In <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> xjasong@itis.com wrote: > I don't have a copy of gunzip on my system, so I went back out on the net to download one. > Well, the only copies I could find out there were gzipped! Can someone let me know where I can > download the binary either raw or NeXT "compressed", or list somewhere I can get the source in > a text form? What's wrong with using gnutar, which should already be on your system? Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:48:20 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970407044429.6232A-100000@kira> References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Bob Gonzales <rgonzal@binghamton.edu> In-Reply-To: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> > Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have > NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. I think /NextApps/Grab.app should do the trick... Please do make any screen shots you make available on the web! If you need somewhere to make them available, let me know! TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator for PEAK Personal NeXT Page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ PEAK NeXT FTP: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ PEAK Web Access: http://www.peak.org/next/
From: Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:37:56 +1000 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net>, Tom Waller <URL:mailto:tower@enterprise.net> wrote: > > In article <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk>, Bob Harding > <URL:mailto:rharding@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell > > <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > > > Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us > > all > > > > Bob > > I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS > when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at > ARM (StrongARM) technology before taking the easy route and PowerPC Risc > chip sets..... Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side for some years now unfortunately. I would probably be more inclined to think that Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a great deal of their porting of already existing apps has been made a little easier by what may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac to PPC. Additionally the call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the Amiga market with its proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling software could be a deciding factor; unless someone at ARM/Digital take a wake-up and decide to come good with FPU or FPA depending on which side of the Atlantic :-)) TC. -- Anthony Clarke | Oak Seed Computers Pty. Ltd. | AMW Acoustic Labs | mailto:anthony@om.com.au | Phone / Fax (066) 246 200 | Acorn Powered | LEGAL BIT ----> All Brand names and registered trade marks, acknowledged. Disclaimer ---> All opinions expressed are those of the author, except quoted comments by other parties.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Swapfile and Swapdisk FAQ now back online in HTML Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:06:24 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970405055829.21185B-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those who may not recall or perhaps did not know, the original swapfaq was online as HTML for only a few days before I accidentally deleted it while cleaning up the rest of my web account. My ISP ran no backups and the file was newer than the last backup I had made manually. It was a pretty large venture for someone just learning HTML-basics, and I could not imagine doing it again. Anyway, as of 3:30am last night it is finally back online. Right now it is probably about the same as any version you may have already seen. However, if you have not seen it or want to take a look at it again, it is now back online. I am working to make all of the necessary reference materials (NeXTanswers, man pages, etc) available as hotlinks, so you can get everything you need all attached to the one document. It can be found on http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "Give a man a piece of working code and you solve his problem. Teach a man to write code and you give him a lifetime of new problems" -- me
From: dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:21:15 GMT Organization: PIOS Computer Message-ID: <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> On Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:37:56 +1000, Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> wrote: >In article <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net>, Tom Waller ><URL:mailto:tower@enterprise.net> wrote: >> I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS >> when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at >> ARM (StrongARM) technology before taking the easy route and PowerPC Risc >> chip sets..... >Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side for >some years now unfortunately. I would probably be more inclined to think that >Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a great deal of >their porting of already existing apps has been made a little easier by what >may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac to PPC. Also, ARM is just too limited. Don't get me wrong, it has its place, it's way up there on the MIPS/Watt scale. So it plays into the battery-powered market just great, and by extension, dedicated consumer products like STBs, which will save money on the power supply this way. But let's not get out of prespective here. The fastest StrongARM is only hitting SPECs in the middle-of-the-road PPC603 range. Integer. Floating Point? Let's not go there. DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the ARM architecture because it was clear that, unlike PPC, MIPS, or SPARC, Alpha wasn't going to play the embedded game very well. This was a good decision, and probably saved the ARM. But don't get carried away. As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. And sure, I would love a handheld version of a real computer. The AmigaOS plays well into that, being small and efficient. Mot makes a good handheld processor, the PPC821, which incorporates an LCD controller and other bits for that kind of application. They also make a set top box version (MPC860). These aren't as fast as StrongARMS, but well in the modern ARM/'040/'060 class. The other issue is software. Count the number of OSs on the PowerPC. Even with AmigaOS as a main focus (they have that luxery, lucky them), the ability to run others is a big advantage when your main goal is selling hardware. > Additionally the >call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the Amiga market with its >proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling software could be a >deciding factor; Look at the BeOS -- floating point is used all over the place, for graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. Often faster than fixed point doing the same job, plus it runs in a different execution unit. So you can as much as double performance using floats appropriately, and they're kind of what you wanted anyway in an ideal world, for many of these things. Dave Haynie V.P. Hardware Engineering PIOS Computer haynie@pios.de "...no RISC, no fun"
From: marcelor@acs.bu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What to do about PCI bus on NeXTSTEP 3.2 ? Date: 5 Apr 1997 20:25:26 GMT Organization: Boston University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i6cfm$5kj@news.bu.edu> Hello, I have been running 3.2 on White since it came out. With all the fuss that was going on when 3.3 came out, I decided not to upgrade. Over this time I upgraded hardware a couple of times but kept 3.2 and VL-bus based machines. Now I've reached the point where I need to move this machine over to at least a Pentium so I'm wondering if there is anyway to get the PCI bus drivers from 3.3 working with 3.2 and how to obtain same if that is possible. Thanks, Marcelo
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 5 Apr 1997 20:43:11 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5i6dgv$p09@news-central.tiac.net> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> <5i0g7n$3kn@news-central.tiac.net> <5i3ksg$k8k@sps1.phys.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <5i3ksg$k8k@sps1.phys.vt.edu> On 04/04/97, Nathan Urban wrote: >I haven't done any OpenStep NT development. What kinds of things >require #ifdef's? Sockets/user authentication/security issues first come to mind. But I could think about some cases where I #ifdef certain portion of code to make applications behave more Windows-like... >> Needless to say that it's almost impossible to make OpenStep NT apps >> good Windows sitizens > >Why? Because OpenStep and Windows has different GUI paradigms. F.e. have you ever seen any Windows application that has no window but menu? I guess not. All OpenStep applications what comes with OSE has workarounds to make them feel more like Windows apps PB for Windows got this list of currently open projects that is of no use. IB is the best in this bunch. They agregate Palettes windows with menu bar. TextEdit for windows could open just one file at a time. (They launch new TextEditor anytime new file is opened) Regards, Aleksey
From: Bob Harding <rharding@argonet.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Organization: Hardenhuish School, Chippenham Wilts. SN14 6RJ Message-ID: <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > > I snipped this after following a new link form the Amiga Web Directory. > I found it very interesting, and I hope you do as well. As one of the Acorn community I'd like to say what great news this is. Acorn have had their share of death threats but I don't think we've sailed quite as close to the wind as Amiga but the Amiga is a great computer ...... technology too good to die ! Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us all (well except M$ - well them as well actually) Bob -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ | . > ___ | |_ | | | ___ _ _ _| |<_>._ _ ___ | . \/ . \| . \ | |<_> || '_>/ . || || ' |/ . | (Wiltshire, England) |___/\___/|___/ |_|_|<___||_| \___||_||_|_|\_. | <___'
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:08:05 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Rencsok: > Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized > a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and > everything). > ... I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. Is it really working for long direories with your machines. Someone from NeXT told me that this problem is known and should be fixed from SGI. Are there any patched available for irix6.2 to make the nfs export of xfs partition fully compatible for 32 bit unix systems again ??? Reply to news and email please. stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jurgen@oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff) Subject: Q:Hang while looking up connection after fork (PDO 4.1/Solaris and EOF 2.0) Message-ID: <E8A1Dx.on@oic.de> Sender: news@oic.de Organization: OIC, Bochum, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:49:09 GMT Hi, I found this in the release notes of PDO 4.1/Solaris: ----- Reference: 68675 Problem: Hang while looking up connection after fork Description: If you have a DO client which tries to look up a connection using NSConnection's connectionWithRegisteredName:host:, then forks a process, and then either exits or tries to look up the connection again, the client will hang. If the fork is omitted, the client won't hang. Workaround: None. ----- Exactly this is now my problem, but I need a workaround. Is this bug fixed in PDO 4.2? I try to fork a process with the NSTask class (but it is the same when I use simply fork() and execv()) and every time the DO client will hang, when I remove all the DO stuff from my process the the fork works. It it the same when a DO server try to fork a DO client. It is no possible to use threads instead of own processes for my project. I need really a workaround for this problem or I can't go on with the project. Is there someone who knows a solution for this problem? Thank you in advance. Juergen Moellenhoff
From: seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: 7 Apr 1997 16:16:47 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print on the NeXT printer? any pointers would be appreciated. thanks in advance. hs.
From: werner@ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: 7 Apr 1997 18:49:37 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <5ibfk1$2dj$1@salyko.cube.net> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > >any pointers would be appreciated. > >thanks in advance. > >hs. I have the same hardware configuration with both color and laser printer connected to my NeXT. I installed samba on the NeXT and used the Kodak printer driver on W95. It works really great. I also can access my NeXT files from W95. Have fun with samba, Werner
From: paulus@nextdown.pe.utexas.edu (Paulus Adisoemarta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: 7 Apr 1997 22:42:21 GMT Organization: Petroleum Engineering Dept, U of Texas, Austin Message-ID: <5ibt8d$lml$1@socony.pe.utexas.edu> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> In article <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu>, <seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu> wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > What I did: - install Samba on NeXT - browse on the Windows Explorer in W95, you'll see your NeXT hostname over there, - click on the NeXT laser printer, attach as a 'Apple LaserWriter NT' (I just happened to click on that particular model ;) - do a test print from W95, just to make sure ;) Paulus -- Paulus Suryono Adisoemarta, N5SNN / YG1QN yono@parokinet.org paulus@nextdown.pe.utexas.edu paulus@ttu.edu
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From: braddock@brendel.braddock.com (Braddock C. Gaskill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: FSU: Announcing Free Software Task List; new funding and organization for FS Date: 7 Apr 1997 20:54:03 GMT Organization: Braddock Research Message-ID: <slrn5kik16.phu.braddock@brendel.braddock.com> Free Software Task List HOW-TO Free Software Union - http://www.fslu.org Maintained by Braddock Gaskill (braddock@braddock.com) on 6 April 1997 Purpose The purpose of the Free Software Task List is to provide a "wish list" of Free Software projects. This allows: * People working on large scale Free Software projects to divide up the work among eager, but often unoriented, volunteers. * People interested in specific software to post monetary or other awards for the completion of specific tasks, without the risks of handing out money to unknown volunteers up-front. * Interested volunteers to browse a brainstorm of possible projects. Level of tasks The Free Software Task List should consist of fairly specific tasks with specific completion criteria. Remember that monetary or other awards may be tied to these tasks, so the requirement criteria should not be left to wide interpretation. For example, "Design and implementation of a MS Word-like Word Processor" is far too broad for a Task. If you want to support such a large scale project, such as a word processor, we encourage you to specify a task that creates new tasks. For example, something along the lines of "Write a 5-10 page report detailing the design of a GUI Objective-C based Word Processor, including a complete task-by-task breakdown of the implementation to be submitted to the Free Software Task List". Posting and collecting awards Before beginning a task for which an award is posted, we recommend contacting the award sponsor and specifying exactly what you intend to do. Awards posted for the Free Software Task List should not be considered binding...you should always contact and coordinate the task with the sponsor. The Free Software Uniondoes not in any way guarantee the posted awards. Doing work on a task In addition to contacting any award sponsors, people interested in doing work on a task should contact the Free Software Union Free Software Task List mailing list (fsu-fstl@fslu.org) so that the Task entry can be updated. They may also want to contact the task submitter (in "Submitted-By field") to get a better idea of what they had in mind for the task, and of course any other volunteers who started work on the task. Posting or modifying a task To add a task to the Free Software Task List, fill out the form below and e-mail it to fsu-fstl@fslu.org. The maintainer will then add your task. To modify an already existing entry, fill in just the Title field of the form below, followed by whichever fields you want to modify. All fields do not need to be included, just the ones you want changed. Entry Format Every entry must start with the "BEGIN" keyword at the beginning of a line. Multi-line entries may be used, but each additional line should begin with a space or tab to avoid any possible confusion with field name keywords. Blank lines are permitted. Every entry should end with the "END" keyword at the begining of a line. BEGIN Title: Title string for task (should never change) Description: A detailed description of exactly what needs to be done to complete this task. Submitted-By: Name and contact information for the person who submitted this task. Award: A monetary or other award, small or large, for successful completion of this task. Award-Sponsor: Name and contact information for Award Sponsors Difficulty: A guestimate of how difficult the task may be (Easy, Average, Medium, Hard), and maybe an estimate number of man-hours. Status: Status of the task. Has there been any progress? Has anyone done or started any work? Volunteers: Names and contact information for anyone who has done any work on the project. Notes: Misc information that doesn't fit the other fields. END
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Graphics Tablet Installation Date: 6 Apr 1997 02:34:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970406023400.VAA17741@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5i4mq1$8ko@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Wacom was very helpful when I was trying to install a Wacom ArtZ (not that I ever had any luck--never had the time to get back with them on it). Try their web site, and submitting a tech support e-mail request. I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised, as was I. It's really great that a company can make such wonderful products and stand behind them so completely. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Scott Mewett <mewett@cisco.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:59:29 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <33499871.A05@cisco.com> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: > > i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am > planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print > on the NeXT printer? > > any pointers would be appreciated. > > thanks in advance. > > hs. I use samba. Works great but takes a little to get configured. You run it on your nextstation and it makes your next look like a windows server. You can share files and printers. Use that with the driver that adobe makes for the NeXT printer. Driver information available at: http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/LIBRARY/326e.htm I think samba is somewhere on one of the ftp sites around. Scott
From: Zig Zag <zigzagman@rollin.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 05 Apr 1997 20:51:05 -0600 Organization: La Cucaracha' Inc. Message-ID: <5i736j$fbp$6@newserve.gulftel.com> References: groups/comp.sys.amiga.misc/73868.head <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> On Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:25:22 Bob Harding wrote about "Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder": > > In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell > <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > > > > I snipped this after following a new link form the Amiga Web Directory. > > I found it very interesting, and I hope you do as well. > > As one of the Acorn community I'd like to say what great news this is. > > Acorn have had their share of death threats but I don't think we've > sailed quite as close to the wind as Amiga but the Amiga is a great > computer ...... technology too good to die ! > > Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us > all (well except M$ - well them as well actually) > > Bob > -- > ___ _ _ _ _ _ > | . > ___ | |_ | | | ___ _ _ _| |<_>._ _ ___ > | . \/ . \| . \ | |<_> || '_>/ . || || ' |/ . | (Wiltshire, England) > |___/\___/|___/ |_|_|<___||_| \___||_||_|_|\_. | > <___' > Bob...I do hope your are a Member of Convergence International? If not you need to be. Check it out at http://convergence.int.eu.org Amiga, Acorn, & Apple against the WinTEL monolopy! regards and thanks for your kind words! :) Zig
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: 8 Apr 1997 01:30:25 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Cc: ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de In <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried wrote: > Randy Rencsok: > > Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized > > a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and > > everything). > > ... > > > I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with > longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the > export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. Is it really > working for long direories with your machines. Someone from NeXT told me > that this problem is known and should be fixed from SGI. Are there any > patched available for irix6.2 to make the nfs export of xfs partition > fully compatible for 32 bit unix systems again ??? > > Reply to news and email please. Stefan, ..... Well I tried to export the whole xfs disk and started poking around on the NeXT with find, etc. I experienced a similiar problem (that some directories arn't available from the GUI. Interestingly from the command line I can cd into the directory and do a ls but when I pwd I get: ascended> pwd pwd: getwd: read error in .. I tried the 32bitclients with no change that I could see. So at this point I can confirm the bug with NS3.3 running on a ADB Turbo ND Cube (with what nfs version 2?) and the above Indigo 2 machine running 6.2 with no NFS patches. I know there are a number of NFS patches out there and if I get a chance I'll try to track down one that might have a chance to fix this problem. We do have support on our boxes so I can file a bug report and see what SGI comes up with. But I'm going to wait until I try the most recent kernel, nfs & xfs rollup patches at least. I'm also cross posting this to comp.sys.sgi.admin in the hopes that someone will come forward with some information whilst I figure out which patches might be applicable (i.e. nfs, kernel, xfs(?)) or what nfs options to try. Unless someone from NeXT can speak up on this definatively I can't say whether it's the SGI or NeXT NFS code that is causing the problems we're seeing. But I'd bet that it could easily be the SGI. How to pin it down as a user is another matter. I'll post/e-mail with more information as I know something. Randy Rencsok rencsok@channelu.com PS. If anyone @ SGI needs more information I'll do my best to provide it.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <7486859698032@digifix.com> Date: 6 Apr 1997 05:00:24 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <28108860302827@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Amiga and Acorns Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:54:04 +1000 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net>, Dave Haynie <URL:mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net> wrote: > > > > Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side > > for some years now unfortunately. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ my fraudian slip is showing . :))) > > I would probably be more inclined to > > think that Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a > > great deal of their porting of already existing apps has been made a > > little easier by what may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac > > to PPC. > > Also, ARM is just too limited. Don't get me wrong, it has its place, it's > way up there on the MIPS/Watt scale. So it plays into the battery-powered > market just great, and by extension, dedicated consumer products like STBs, > which will save money on the power supply this way. But let's not get out > of prespective here. The fastest StrongARM is only hitting SPECs in the > middle-of-the-road PPC603 range. Integer. Floating Point? Let's not go > there. I really think ACORNs' implementation of the ARM processor in its' current and forthcoming range of personal computers is is quite exceptional, whilst Acorn users suffer from lack of FPU and preemptive multitasking their RISC OS is really quite superb... I don't wish to enter into a debate on the positive and negative attributes between Amiga Vs Acorn OS. But rather point out that both have their relative strengths as well as shortcomings. > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the desktop market..... Instead of ( Only Amiga ) Replace with ( Anything but Wintel ) :-)))) > > Additionally the call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the > > Amiga market with its proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling > > software could be a deciding factor; > > Look at the BeOS -- ^^^^ What are your thoughts on that now that Jobs with his NEXT OS is back home with Apple Mac. > floating point is used all over the place, for > graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. Often > faster than fixed point doing the same job, plus it runs in a different > execution unit. So you can as much as double performance using floats > appropriately, and they're kind of what you wanted anyway in an ideal > world, for many of these things. Its' becoming clear to most vendors I think that the days of CISC technology will be with us for some time but I believe those days are numbered... PPC6 series has my vote, though I must admit I'm having quite a love affair with the StrongArm & RISC OS, compliments of the Acorn RPC. I look forward to where both technologies are heading RPC & PPC. < ANYTHING BUT WINTEL > TC -- Anthony Clarke | Oak Seed Computers Pty. Ltd. | AMW Acoustic Labs | mailto:anthony@om.com.au | Phone / Fax (066) 246 200 | Acorn Powered | LEGAL BIT ----> All Brand names and registered trade marks, acknowledged. Disclaimer ---> All opinions expressed are those of the author, except quoted comments by other parties.
From: xjasong@itis.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Chicken and Egg Date: 6 Apr 1997 07:50:13 GMT Organization: IntraNet Inc: Madison, Wisconsin's ISP Message-ID: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> I am a new NeXT user with a simple problem that seems to have a very complicated answer. I downloaded some PPP software so I could setup a network connection with my ISP. It came down in the .gz form. I don't have a copy of gunzip on my system, so I went back out on the net to download one. Well, the only copies I could find out there were gzipped! Can someone let me know where I can download the binary either raw or NeXT "compressed", or list somewhere I can get the source in a text form? thanx... xjasong@itis.com
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 09:08:52 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > > > I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with > > longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the > > export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. > > ..... Well I tried to export the whole xfs disk and started poking around > on the NeXT with find, etc. I experienced a similiar problem (that some > directories > arn't available from the GUI. Hi Randy, meanwhile after some emails with people at NeXT and SGI the cause of this problem was absolutely trapped down. It seems to be clear that only NeXT could fix this. Both NeXT and SGI know the problem ! Playing around with rsize/wsize and the 32bitclient option has no effect on this. The inofficial answer from NeXT was "we have a patch but I can't send a copy to you...". So it seems to be a kind of beta version of a kernel patch for big customers. As far as I know it will not be fixed in OpenStep/mach 4.2 too. So I'm trying to force them to make this public with the help of the German distributor DART. I recommend you to do the same with your distributor. Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: Tom Waller <tower@enterprise.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 15:26:43 +0100 (BST) Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk>, Bob Harding <URL:mailto:rharding@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell > <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us > all > > Bob I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at ARM (StrongARM) technology before taking the easy route and PowerPC Risc chip sets..... If it is more bang per buck then StrongARM leads by a mile or more... And that is fact.... Tom Waller, Tower Electronics Ltd, The Lewes, Main Street, Fyvie. Turriff Aberdeenshire. 01651 069/785 or Fax/Data to 01651 891653 E Mail tower@enterprise.net Web http://www.enterprise.net/tower-risc
From: tralala@mlink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture Date: 8 Apr 1997 09:57:06 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <5id4pi$uqc@supernews.login.net> References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> In-Reply-To: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> Yes! Use /NeXTApps/Grab.app . Grab.app is supplied with NEXTSTEP. -André --------------------------------------------------------------- On 04/03/97, Bob Gonzales wrote: > Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have > NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. > > Thanks > Bob Gonzales >
From: dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 11:47:35 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop >machines, simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC >supported the ARM architecture because it was clear that, unlike PPC, >MIPS, or SPARC, Alpha wasn't going to play the embedded game very >well. This was a good decision, and probably saved the ARM. But don't >get carried away. As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems will be dead in a couple of years. (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that important to have one almighty processor but to have lots of cheap, fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not the mention Alpha) and if the OS has decent threading capabilities (and a fast enough bus) that team will kick the living shit out of the PPro. And why not StrongARM in UNIX boxes? Sure, Alphas are a lot faster but especially UNIX always has a busload of processes running concurrently so making good use of multiple processors even without customized software would be relatively easy. Apart from that parallel environments like PVM (parallel virtual machine) which use a workstation network as one parallel machine might easily be rewritten for that purpose. Add an FPU to the StrongARM and you have the ultimate multi-processing UNIX processor. Unless you count highly specialised areas big mainframe machines with dumb terminals are dead. The same will happen to the big central processor. Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). >> Additionally the >>call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the Amiga market with its >>proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling software could be a >>deciding factor; >Look at the BeOS -- floating point is used all over the place, for >graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. The only graphics thingy I can think of that would really profit from FP hardware (unless you count Raytracing) would be a perspective mapper a la Quake. And maybe plotting Bezier-curves. I see the main benefits of FP in other areas. And don't get me wrong, I WANT FP! Either Acorn finally sort that out with their new machines or they're going down. I'd hate so see that happen but the joke has been going on for much too long. Andreas
From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 11:40:43 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Sender: torbenm@thor.diku.dk Message-ID: <5idarr$cvb@vidar.diku.dk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop >machines, simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. I don't buy this. Even a 'bigger and badder' SA at ~300MHz and with a reasonable FPU will be less of a competition for Alpha than high-end PA-RISCs, SPARCs, MIPS and PPCs. Even PPro is would be more of a competition. The high-end embedded market can take procesors at any power, and you can already see versions of MIPS and PPC aimed at this market, both with on-chip FPU and >100MHz operation. These are the real competitors for StrongARM, and to cut into their market DEC will have to add FP hardware to SA. They are probably aware of this. ARM has an unique position of being able to suport a very wide spectrum of markets for embedded processors, from lowly 'toaster' processors running at a few MHz and costing a one-digit figure in $, up to high-end NC's STB's and desktop machines. MIPS and PPC may with their 'embedded' versions cut into the higher end of this market, but I doubt they will do as well in the low end. After all, ARM was originally designed to do well in a system without cache, which neither MIPS nor PPC was. MIPS is probably closer to ARM in this respect than PPC, partly because it is an older (and hence simpler) architecture. MIPS/SG has, btw, announced a version of the MIPS processor that can run a 16-bit instruction set, which gets expanded to full 32-bit instructions in an early pipeline stage. Sounds familiar? ARM/Thumb still has one up on this new MIPS processor, as (the initial implementation of) it use an extra pipeline stage for the decoding, which add one cycle of latency for branches etc. Present implementations of Thumb can do this in the same stage as normal decode. This may change with the longer pipelines in ARM8 and SA, if Thumb decoders are added to these, though. Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
From: neideck@kar.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 11:43:50 GMT Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Message-ID: <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes to Alpha levels of performance: SPECa SPEC Machine int95 fp95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motorola MVME2604 9.34 8.92 200 Mhz 604e, 256K cache Motorola PowerstackII 8.00 6.31 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache IBM 43P-140 7.22 5.23 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache Alphastation 500/400 12.3 14.1 400 Mhz 21164,2M cache AlphaPC164 500 14.6e 13.9e 500 Mhz 21164,1M cache AlphaPC164 500 14.9e 16.0e 500 Mhz 21164,2M cache Alphastation 500/500 15.0 20.4 500 Mhz 21164,8M cache I've listed several different memory and cache configurations for both the PPC 604e and the 21164 (which are the current top-of-the-line for both camps). The PPC machines all used AIX 4.1 with the same compilers, it's interesting to see the difference between the two Motorola boxes which ran the exact same binaries, but the MVME2604 has much faster main memory (i.e. more expensive). Picking middle ground for both camps (say the Powerstack II and the 1M AlphaPC, which is used in cheapo clones) one gets a ratio of: Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz CEC Karlsruhe , European Applied Research Center, Digital Equip. Corp. email: neideck@kar.dec.com 500 Mhz 21164, 32 MB RAM, 2.1 GB disk, 2MByte cache: $4,995 SPEC95 14.9e/16.0e, See http://www.microway.com for details
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 14:15:38 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5idjua$1lh@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit neideck@kar.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) wrote: >In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >>As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >>performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. The ARM is intended to provide a powerful solution into a low power consumption environment. This could not be matched by either the Alpha or the PPC. However in an environment where power consumption is not the issue- the ARM chip cannot rival the Alpha. The ARM chip would have to evolve and move market in order to compete with the Alpha and as they are made by the same manufacturer I think that this is very unlikely. Besides the SA only costs 20ukp/chip in bulk IIRC. As to the PPC vs. Alpha - I always think of clustered Alphas for some reason.. (ie not the small alphas). Why not compare the scalability aspects? >While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes >to Alpha levels of performance: As an Acorn ARM RiscPC owner I would have to agree- the ARM is not a rival but I was ROTFL when someone suggested PPC could match an Alpha. <Proof snipped> >Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 >AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 Glad to see someone actually produces some facts to back up their argument. Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Please remove ANTISPAM on replying via email, any junk mail will be bounced to your postmaster. Defense: Q: Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A: No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
From: Subir Grewal <subir@crl.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: 8 Apr 1997 06:14:21 GMT Organization: Trill host selection council Message-ID: <5icnnt$fi3$1@nnrp1.crl.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In comp.sys.next.advocacy Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> wrote: : > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, : ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! : > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to : expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the : desktop market..... But that's exactly what DEC does want the Alpha to become. Of course they probably won't be making those chips, Motorola and company will. Motorola is currently shipping 433 Mhz Alpha processors for around $500. That price will drop further. By next year Alphas will be running at 800Mhz, the 21264PC range will/is cheaper than Pentiums/Pentium Pros/Kalamath and will outperform either. When Alphastations will be available for around $2500, don't you think that'll cut into the desktop market? In any case, the workstations aren't all that expensive anymore. I can get a 433Mhz Alpha-based workstation (including a monitor) for under $4,000. Of course they'll probably ship me something like WindowsNT, but that's easy to replace with Linux. That's a complete workstation, with monitor and decent sized drives. They're not all that expensive anymore! You pay through your ass for Digital Unix of course, but you should/can go with AXPLinux if you don't want to spend ungodly sums of money buying software licences. The 300Mhz workstations are around $3,000. You can jiggle around with the configurations, but prices are rapidly approaching PC prices. Of course, AlphaServers will always be way out of desktop range, but then those are mammoth machines. -- hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7 + PGP + http://www.crl.com/~subir/ There's so much plastic in this culture that vinyl leopard skin is becoming an endangered synthetic. -- Lily Tomlin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kjb@uts.amdahl.com (Kevin Barth) Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Message-ID: <E89H2K.IzE@ccc.amdahl.com> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com (Usenet Administration) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA USA References: <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:30:19 GMT In article <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > In <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> xjasong@itis.com wrote: > > I don't have a copy of gunzip on my system, so I went back out on the net > to download one. > > Well, the only copies I could find out there were gzipped! Can someone let > me know where I can > > download the binary either raw or NeXT "compressed", or list somewhere I > can get the source in > > a text form? > > What's wrong with using gnutar, which should already be on your system? Actually, Paul must have meant: 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gunzip 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzcat 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzip ..which one can see are all hard linked (the first number is the inode number). However, this is on a 3.3 system -- I don't know what version of NeXTSTEP the original poster has, nor when these were included as standard in NeXTSTEP, but it is definitely there in 3.3. The original poster may simply need to add '/usr/bin' to his shell's 'PATH' environment variable.... -- Regards, Kevin Barth (kjb@amdahl.com) phone: +44-1252-346307 Open Systems Staff Support fax: +44-1252-346406 Amdahl Corporation
From: AMark@ncmi-ny.com? (remove the ? to reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Position available at Wall St firm in New York Date: 8 Apr 1997 17:03:28 GMT Organization: NationBanc Capital Markets,Inc.(NY) Message-ID: <5idtp0$ana@niven.ncmi-gsl.com> We have an opening for a medium-level NeXT programmer with two or more years experience. The person would work in a small group of about a half dozen programmers creating and supporting trading applications in fixed income securities. The environment is one where people are valued and traders work with developers to produce the final product. Grad students with in-depth experience in NeXT will be considered. Send resume to me at: ----------------------------------------------------- Allen Mark NationsBanc Capital Markets, Inc. 7 Hanover Square - 15th Floor New York, NY 10004-2616 email:amark@ncmi-ny.com -----------------------------------------------------
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:16:44 -0400 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <334A7D7C.797A@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> <5id4pi$uqc@supernews.login.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi tralala@mlink.net wrote: > > Yes! Use /NeXTApps/Grab.app . > Grab.app is supplied with NEXTSTEP. > -André > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > On 04/03/97, Bob Gonzales wrote: > > Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have > > NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. > > > > Thanks > > Bob Gonzales > > On Windows NT, two excellent sharewares are: HyperSnap to save any region on the screen to a bitmap HyperCam to save any region on the screen to an animation file. you can purchase HyperSnap and HyperCam (shareware) from http://www.hyperionics.com/ I am not affiliated with Hyperionics, but I play one on the Internet ;-) -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: great scott <maddog@devnull.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:19:17 -0500 Organization: Tantric Confusers Ltd. Message-ID: <334A8C25.41C6@devnull.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <5icnnt$fi3$1@nnrp1.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subir Grewal wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to > : expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the > : desktop market..... > > But that's exactly what DEC does want the Alpha to become. Of course > they probably won't be making those chips, Motorola and company will. > Motorola is currently shipping 433 Mhz Alpha processors for around $500. Hey Subir, Can you send me some of what you're smoking? DEC has two second sources for Alpha fab and neither one is Motorola. In fact, at least one Alpha second source, Mitsubishi, has yet to ship a single Alpha chip for revenue. The chipset to which you allude below, the 21164PC is sampling now and will be available in volume production in 3Q97, according to Microprocessor Report. The problem, as I see it, is that while technically the Alpha outperforms the x86, and most other RISC ISAs, in real-life applications it does not have more than a niche application. I'd consider Alpha servers where really stellar FP performance was a high demand---rendering 3D, raytraced graphics is one such application. But from the popular, mass-market perspective, that's not the huge win that DEC needs to turn the Alpha's position positive. I think you make the same mistake typical of technically oriented folk, believing that the best technology will win based on sheer technical merit. Given the demise of many superior technologies, we all know that to be a faulty assumption. > That price will drop further. By next year Alphas will be running at > 800Mhz, the 21264PC range will/is cheaper than Pentiums/Pentium > Pros/Kalamath and will outperform either. When Alphastations will be > available for around $2500, don't you think that'll cut into the desktop > market? Nice set of assumptions...do you have any real indication that such will come to pass? You can't base projections on CPU potential alone. People buy systems and DEC has not installed a huge number of them, despite having dominated the performance lead for literally years now. > -- > hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7 + PGP + http://www.crl.com/~subir/ > There's so much plastic in this culture that vinyl leopard skin is > becoming an endangered synthetic. > -- Lily Tomlin -- Mad Dog Heart of Darkness, Inc. mailto:maddog@hod.com
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Drag and Drop Animation Available Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:19:03 -0400 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <334A9A27.50CC@arch.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hello: I thought some of you might be interested in seeing first hand how drag and drop works between an OPENSTEP application (Create.app) and a Windows Application (Photoshop). To download the 500K AVI animation file point your web to: http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html If anyone can convert his AVI file to MPEG and/or QuickTime, please do so and send me the resulting file to post on the web. Thanks. Send me e-mail if you like it :-) -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: see@address.in.signature (Martiin-Gilles Lavoie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: [Q] NS 3.3 nerworking Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:25:38 -0500 Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <see-0804971525380001@204.191.6.58> (with appologies for cross-posting) I've recently aquired a NeXT Station Color for the sake of getting up to speed with Rhapsody programming. All is going well for now, but I'm having some difficulties finding resources to get my NeXT networked with my Mac, and to the internet (lack of knowlege). I have a PowerMac phisically connected to my NeXT using RJ-45 cabling, but I'd like to know what software/configuration I need to get to transfer files off this small net. The Mac is setup up with TCP/IP. Is ftp the only possible mean of communication between these two machines? Also, I'd like to connect my NeXT onto the internet vial PPP dial-up connections. What software/setup do I need for this? Any reply CC-ed to my email would be appreciated (local news server sometimes misses articles). MGL -- Martin-Gilles Lavoie | "No! Try not. Do! or do not mouser@zercom.net | There is no try." www.zercom.net/~mouser/ | --Yoda on error handling
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] NS 3.3 networking Date: 8 Apr 1997 20:38:22 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5ieabu$l5v$1@wwwproxy.seicom.net> References: <see-0804971525380001@204.191.6.58> see@address.in.signature (Martiin-Gilles Lavoie) wrote: > I have a PowerMac phisically connected to my NeXT using RJ-45 cabling, but > I'd like to know what software/configuration I need to get to transfer > files off this small net. The Mac is setup up with TCP/IP. Is ftp the > only possible mean of communication between these two machines? Either this, or see http://www.this.net/~frank/next_cap.html for a free Ethertalk Phase II client & server package for NeXT. A new version without the need of editing scripts (all 'normal' administrative work is done by GUI) is soon to be released. > Also, I'd like to connect my NeXT onto the internet vial PPP dial-up > connections. What software/setup do I need for this? The ppp package as it is available on the archives, see next-ftp.peak.org or peanuts.leo.org. A direct link is ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Communication/programs/ppp_2_2.0.4.6.NIHS.b.tar.gz --- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: 8 Apr 1997 20:47:32 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Message-ID: <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-User: wilcoxb Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz <neideck@kar.dec.com> wrote: > >While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes >to Alpha levels of performance: > > SPECa SPEC >Machine int95 fp95 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Motorola MVME2604 9.34 8.92 200 Mhz 604e, 256K cache >Motorola PowerstackII 8.00 6.31 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache >IBM 43P-140 7.22 5.23 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache > >Alphastation 500/400 12.3 14.1 400 Mhz 21164,2M cache >AlphaPC164 500 14.6e 13.9e 500 Mhz 21164,1M cache >AlphaPC164 500 14.9e 16.0e 500 Mhz 21164,2M cache >Alphastation 500/500 15.0 20.4 500 Mhz 21164,8M cache > >I've listed several different memory and cache configurations for both >the PPC 604e and the 21164 (which are the current top-of-the-line for >both camps). The PPC machines all used AIX 4.1 with the same compilers, >it's interesting to see the difference between the two Motorola boxes >which ran the exact same binaries, but the MVME2604 has much faster main >memory (i.e. more expensive). Picking middle ground for both camps >(say the Powerstack II and the 1M AlphaPC, which is used in cheapo clones) >one gets a ratio of: > >Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 >AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 > > Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Thanks for the facts! Cool! Now do you happen to have prices laying around there? I know that the Alpha computers tend to be pricier and I know that you are an Alpha advocate, but I am hoping to depend on your better nature to cough up the facts if you've gottem. Muchas gracias, Zooko of the Mists who is going to buy either a CHRP box or an Alpha box or an Intel-compatible box this year, to run mainly Linux and also Windows NT and maybe Rhapsody signatures follow + island Life in a chaos sea Not speaking for DigiCash or /. the University of Colorado / bryce@colorado.edu or ---* bryce@digicash.com
From: Duncan Cockburn <cockburn@argonet.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 20:08:09 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Distribution: world Message-ID: <na.dbbca14777.a70260cockburn@argonet.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) wrote: > But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems > will be dead in a couple of years. > (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that > important to have one almighty processor but to have lots of cheap, > fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that > respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not And of course since they run cool to the touch it'll be a lot easier to design a box to put them all in without having them fry each other. (if I were to put the dual processor (AMD 133Mhz 586) in my machine it would have to point the other way to stop it frying the StrongARM.) Probably a lot easier to put 10 StrongARMs in together than 5 Pentium Pros. . > the mention Alpha) and if the OS has decent threading capabilities (and > a fast enough bus) that team will kick the living shit out of the PPro. > And why not StrongARM in UNIX boxes? Sure, Alphas are a lot faster but > especially UNIX always has a busload of processes running concurrently > so making good use of multiple processors even without customized > software would be relatively easy. Apart from that parallel environments > like PVM (parallel virtual machine) which use a workstation network as > one parallel machine might easily be rewritten for that purpose. Add > an FPU to the StrongARM and you have the ultimate multi-processing > UNIX processor. This theory was floating around in an acorn mag a while ago. With a hydra card (a bit that slots into an Acorn Risc PC) it is simple to create a 5 processor machine. This costs around 150UKP IIRC + cost of processors, which, being ARMs aren't that expensive. Thus you would have a very cheap multi processor unix server. -- \ Maintainer Of Cobi's Ultimate Acorn Links / \ http://box.argonet.co.uk/users/cockburn /
From: roberson@ibd.nrc.ca (Walter Roberson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy Date: 9 Apr 1997 00:59:30 GMT Organization: National Research Council Canada Message-ID: <5iepli$7fn$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net>, Dave Haynie <dhaynie@jersey.net> wrote: :On Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:37:56 +1000, Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> :wrote: :>In article <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net>, Tom Waller :><URL:mailto:tower@enterprise.net> wrote: :>> I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS :>> when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at Please take this out of the inappropriate newsgroups. This discussion is irrelevant to (for example) comp.sys.sgi.* Follow-ups trimmed to what appear to be the only two appropriate groups.
From: dmcnetman@mindspring.com (Dennis M. Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:55:35 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <5if0ff$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) wrote: >Thanks for the facts! Cool! Now do you happen to have prices laying >around there? I know that the Alpha computers tend to be pricier and >I know that you are an Alpha advocate, but I am hoping to depend on >your better nature to cough up the facts if you've gottem. Look for Alpha based systems below $2600, by late '97. Dennis P.S. I mean whole systems, based on the 21164PC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E8C7zq.95n@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:07:02 GMT References: <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> <E89H2K.IzE@ccc.amdahl.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <E89H2K.IzE@ccc.amdahl.com>, Kevin Barth <kjb@uts.amdahl.com> wrote: >> What's wrong with using gnutar, which should already be on your system? >Actually, Paul must have meant: > 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gunzip > 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzcat > 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzip > >However, this is on a 3.3 system -- I don't know what version of NeXTSTEP >the original poster has, nor when these were included as standard in >NeXTSTEP, but it is definitely there in 3.3. > They're in 3.2 as well. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: 9 Apr 1997 09:43:04 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5ifob8$qpk@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <5icnnt$fi3$1@nnrp1.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subir Grewal <subir@crl.com> wrote: >In comp.sys.next.advocacy Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> wrote: > >: > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, >: ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! Ditigal use an ARM design IIRC (of which Digital are 3rd owners). It is possible that ART/acorn produce a quicker chip.. highly unlikely though. >: > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the >: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to >: expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the >: desktop market..... > <snip> > >Of course, AlphaServers will always be way out of desktop range, but >then those are mammoth machines. I doubt you would not use a AlphaServer as a 'desktop' machine to start with! That market sector is left to the AlphaPC. Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Please remove ANTISPAM on replying via email, any junk mail will be bounced to your postmaster. Defense: Q: Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A: No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
From: Ben Bauer <bauer@web.nih.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:40:37 +0100 Organization: National Institutes of Health Message-ID: <334B5601.48ED@web.nih.gov> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> <5if0l6$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis M. Campbell wrote: > > wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) wrote: > > Oh, almost forgot. If you're just looking to upgrade, I see that > Anti-Gravity is extending their Pentitrator line with an Alpha > version, due late summer, I think. > > Dennis By late summer various Mac vendors will have 410Mhz systems in stock. What do you think the CPU comparisons will look like then?
From: phillips@alpha1.phoenix.net (Charles Phillips) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 68k NeXT and Speedometer Utility Date: 9 Apr 1997 14:07:13 GMT Organization: C-Com/Phoenix Data Net (281) 486-8337/ http://www.phoenix.net Message-ID: <5ig7qh$hsm$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> The title says it all - does a Speedometer or Clockometer for the 68k NeXT exist? -- Charles D Phillips <mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> Check the Macintosh Logic Board Battery Web page at: <http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh> (This page also links to a Totally Unofficial Panorama Page)
From: dbin@sce.de (David Binette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 21:55:49 GMT Organization: Satellite Communication Europe Distribution: world Message-ID: <33496655.35897899@news.hamburg.pop.de> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7 Apr 1997 16:16:47 GMT, seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > >any pointers would be appreciated. > >thanks in advance. adobe has a Win95 postscript driver for the NeXT 400dpi laser printer its free and available from their web page. -- MY DNA and genetic structure is copyright 1957-1997 David J. Binette ALL RIGHTS RESERVED unauthorised use, duplication, storage or retransmission is strictly prohibited. http://www.sce.de/~dbin */ unmatched closing comment
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 68k NeXT and Speedometer Utility Date: 9 Apr 1997 16:43:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5iggup$4p2$2@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5ig7qh$hsm$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> phillips@alpha1.phoenix.net (Charles Phillips) wrote: >The title says it all - does a Speedometer or Clockometer for the 68k NeXT >exist? > >-- >Charles D Phillips ><mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> > >Check the Macintosh Logic Board Battery Web page at: ><http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh> >(This page also links to a Totally Unofficial Panorama Page) > KPerfMon.app is a performance monitor which covers the CPU, memory, disk, and network usage. You can find it at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/misc/KPerfMon.1.3.NIHS.bs .tar.gz --Ryan
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: 9 Apr 1997 17:51:55 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5igkvr$leh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Cc: ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de In <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried wrote: > rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > > > > > I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with > > > longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the > > > export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. > > > > ..... Well I tried to export the whole xfs disk and started poking around > > on the NeXT with find, etc. I experienced a similiar problem (that some > > directories > > arn't available from the GUI. > > > Hi Randy, > > meanwhile after some emails with people at NeXT and SGI the cause of > this problem was absolutely trapped down. It seems to be clear that only > NeXT could fix this. Both NeXT and SGI know the problem ! > Playing around with rsize/wsize and the 32bitclient option has no effect > on this. > > The inofficial answer from NeXT was "we have a patch but I can't send a > copy to you...". So it seems to be a kind of beta version of a kernel > patch for big customers. > > As far as I know it will not be fixed in OpenStep/mach 4.2 too. > So I'm trying to force them to make this public with the help of the > German distributor DART. > > I recommend you to do the same with your distributor. > Stefan, I have some messages from two kindly people who e-mailed me and for now who shall remain nameless. The first person actually did some work diagnosing the problem. Here is a copy of the informative part of their e-mail to me. First person wrote me: >You wrote: >> Unless someone from NeXT can speak up on this definatively I >> can't say whether it's the SGI or NeXT NFS code that is >> causing the problems we're seeing. But I'd bet that it could >> easily be the SGI. How to pin it down as a user is another >> matter. > >Well, nothing definite and I don't work at NeXT but maybe >this will help. > >Here's a bit more information about the problem which drove >me absolutely nuts about a month and a half ago, regretfully >no fix is possible AFAIK but at least you'll know what seems >to be going on. This is from an email I sent to somebody else >after diagnosing the problem, it explains what is happening: > >> As you may remember the problem is (in a nutshell) NextStep >> 3.[23] NFS clients seeing incomplete directory entries when >> mounting filesystems from the O2 NFS server. Files are still >> there but the directory listings don't show them. This is >> apparently what is happening according to John Spiller, who >> deals with NFS at sgi (this is after I sent him, at his >> request, packet dumps of the ethernet exchanges between the >> next and the o2 when listing a directory): >> >> > The only guess I can make from this is that the next does >> > something like give up as soon as the readdir cookie goes >> > above 0x40000000. This could easily be the case since it >> > wasn't until last year that the sun guys begrudginly admitted >> > that a cookie isn't necessarily an offset. Our XFS system uses >> > the full 32 bits (and in fact uses 64 bits in nfs 3, hence the >> > 32bitclient export option). Since our directories are not >> > just linear files, offset is meaningless, so the numbers could >> > conceivably jump around, although I believe them to be >> > monotonically increasing. >> > >> > According to any spec I've ever seen, cookie is opaque, >> > meaning the client shouldn't try to interpret it at all. It >> > looks like NeXtStep is, however. >> >> The temporary solution is to use efs instead of xfs in the >> exported filesystems as it uses the old offset method for >> creating cookies and so does not generate cookies above >> 0x40000000. I believe the problem is fixed in latter versions >> of NextStep (4.x) although I have not tested that. > >So you see, it is the next clients that are silently failing >when they find what they believe to be objectionable nfs >cookies. I sent a bug report to NeXT but had no response >whatsoever (not surprising). I've heard of a patch for 3.3 >that solved this particular problem but I have not tried to >obtain it (it is not in NextAnswers of the ftp server). Well I think we can confirm it's not just an O2 running 6.3 but now a Indigo 2 running 6.2. And certianly NS3.3 & 4.x (4.2?) Another kind soul sent me the following: >> I've also sent a query off to a friend of mine that works at NeXT. If >> there's actually a beta kernel available, maybe there's some hope. With the followup :( > >Looks kinda hopeless. >No "premiere" customers are pushing for it. >It was very likely not fixed for 4.2. >It will be fixed for Rhapsody, but that's not much help for us :) > >It seems that the problem is actually two separate problems. >One in the kernel dealing with readdir() and one with "recursive file >system commands like ls, tar, du, chown...etc." due to potential bugs >in the system libraries. The fix for the second part appears to be >as simple as downloading the gnu fileutils and compiling them statically >linked. > >If I hear anything else, I'll let you know. That's about where it stands at this point. If NeXT has a patch I wish they'd just release it. I'd be looking for something for NS3.3 since I don't plan on running 4.x anytime soon. I think most of us Black users havn't had a distributor for years :( unless you think a Reseller has any weight with NeXT. I personally could probably do what I need with nfs since I only export space on that xfs disk to be used as a temp directory for images/sounds etc (to share space between machines). I'm rather confused as to why only XFS filesystems illustrate this bug and not EFS filesystems? I can only wonder what is really going on here. Anyone from NeXT or SGI care to comment publically or privately on this? Stefan This is about the best I can do in terms of making a stink about it. Any other action you could recommend to us would be gratefully accepted (like a few e-mail addresses to bombard). But I expect that persons with NeXT's and SGI's on the same LAN are rather RARE. Randy Rencsok rencsok@channelu.com
From: Rudi Chiarito <chiarito@cli.di.unipi.it> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 10 Apr 97 00:31:16 +0100 Organization: What, me organized? Message-ID: <7791B7F.yax.1F.321.jay@pane.e.nutella.org> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz wrote: >In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave >Haynie) writes: >>As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >>performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. >While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes >to Alpha levels of performance: [snip] >I've listed several different memory and cache configurations for both >the PPC 604e and the 21164 (which are the current top-of-the-line for >both camps). The PPC machines all used AIX 4.1 with the same compilers, Which ones? >it's interesting to see the difference between the two Motorola boxes >which ran the exact same binaries, but the MVME2604 has much faster main >memory (i.e. more expensive). Picking middle ground for both camps >(say the Powerstack II and the 1M AlphaPC, which is used in cheapo clones) >one gets a ratio of: >Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 >AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 Could you also list prices, please? That's a factor you can't ignore. Anyway, IMHO the future of PPC looks more than promising. Arthur and G3 are coming... we'll see. > Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz >CEC Karlsruhe , European Applied Research Center, Digital Equip. Corp. Oh. DEC. I see, now. :) >email: neideck@kar.dec.com >500 Mhz 21164, 32 MB RAM, 2.1 GB disk, 2MByte cache: $4,995 I wouldn't mind getting one of those free... for testing/demo purposes, of course ;) -- "Yes," said Marvin. "Wearily I sit here, pain and misery my only companions. And vast intelligence of course. And infinite sorrow. And..." Rudi Chiarito - ATO, Team Amiga & EpOS member - HiJack/NetClip updates soon! EMail: chiarito@cli.di.unipi.it - WWW: http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~chiarito/ MISTAKES/MISSPELLINGS ARE FICTIONAL: A SIMILARITY TO REAL ONES IS INCIDENTAL
From: cavery@dc.net (Christopher Avery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .PS Files Date: 10 Apr 1997 01:24:07 GMT Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet <info@cais.com> Message-ID: <5ihffn$72u@news2.cais.com> I install an Apple Writer driver on my Win95 machine and generated the test page to a file. I moved the file to my NextStation and it prints great! But when I tried this with a real application, I get nothing but errors and only a few text lines. Is this a font problem, or is the Preview app just way out of date with the ps files generated by the Win95 drivers? Any solutions would be most appreciated. Thanks -- ---- Christopher Avery ----- reply to: cavery@dc.net (NeXTMail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <334c47d7.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 10 Apr 97 01:52:23 GMT seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > >any pointers would be appreciated. See my web page for one solution. http://www.bcog.org/~dreely/OpenStep/printing.html Others have suggested SAMBA. I think it gives you file sharing ability as well as printing. These solutions require an ethernet connection between the two machines. Darren http://www.bcog.org/~dreely
From: rcc@tilt.engr.sgi.com (Ray Chen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: 10 Apr 1997 01:54:10 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ihh82$51a@fido.asd.sgi.com> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5igkvr$leh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> In article <5igkvr$leh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, <rencsok@channelu.com> wrote: >>So you see, it is the next clients that are silently failing >>when they find what they believe to be objectionable nfs >>cookies. I sent a bug report to NeXT but had no response >>whatsoever (not surprising). I've heard of a patch for 3.3 >>that solved this particular problem but I have not tried to >>obtain it (it is not in NextAnswers of the ftp server). > >Well I think we can confirm it's not just an O2 running 6.3 but now >a Indigo 2 running 6.2. And certianly NS3.3 & 4.x (4.2?) [stuff deleted ... ] >I'm rather confused as to why only XFS filesystems illustrate this bug >and not EFS filesystems? I can only wonder what is really going on >here. Anyone from NeXT or SGI care to comment publically or privately >on this? The reason is really quite simple. EFS, like all FFS-based filesystems that I know of, use the offset into the directory as the cookie that it hands to NFS. Directory entries in EFS don't move around so this is ok. XFS does something different. We couldn't use the offset because the location of a directory entry can change as the directory grows and shrinks so we had to use something else instead. So we use something that includes our btree lookup value (and something else but I forget at the moment exactly what). The problem of course, is that the value of the cookie we generate really has very little correlation with the size of the directory. The value of the cookies will increase as you go through the directory using readdir but that's about the only guarantee you've got. The NFS spec says that cookies are opaque. But the Sun NFS code essentially treated cookies as offsets and did things like silently truncate upper bits, etc. (even for NFS v3, I believe) in the belief that no one would ever have directories that are that big. I think the latest Sun NFS code has the problem fixed. But if Next's implementation is derived from older Sun NFS code, well... >Randy Rencsok >rencsok@channelu.com Ray Chen rcc@sgi.com
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 9 Apr 1997 22:07:11 GMT Message-ID: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> ok gang, thanks for the one reply to my inquiry about why my wacom 12 x 12 format graphics tablet ain't rolling. this kind fellow suggested i call wacom tech support, so i did. wacom says it doesn't support next hardware, and doesn't think it will work. i explained that the next documentation (white Network and System Administration manual, p 185-186) says a 12 x 12 format does work after installation via InstallTablet.app, and that furthermore i've seen the same-sized (if not same model#, mine's UD-1212-R) tablet working on a very similar system to mine (nd turbo vs non, the difference). i emailed the former owner of that system for clues and he said to try different settings of the DIP switches on the back of the tablet. trouble is i don't see any switches other than a power switch on the back of this here tablet. i've also called bell atlantic, which sold me a next system. the folks i could talk to there said they'd never heard of such a thing working on black hardware. when i brought up the chapter-and-verse manual reference they said they'd ask one of the "techies" in the back and get back to me. after several days of not hearing back i persisted with a reminder call. was told the one techie who might conceivably know something about this was out of the office on business, return date unknown. there must be someone on one of these broad lands with a working wacom hookup, or the wherewithal to get one up, no? thanks for any help, chris borden cdb@precipice.com
From: Justin Noehre <brigade@btigate.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:53:22 -0700 Organization: Altopia Corp. - Affordable Usenet Access - http://www.alt.net Message-ID: <334C4812.2D1A@btigate.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony Clarke wrote: > > In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net>, Dave Haynie > <URL:mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side > > > for some years now unfortunately. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ my fraudian slip is showing . :))) > > > I would probably be more inclined to > > > think that Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a > > > great deal of their porting of already existing apps has been made a > > > little easier by what may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac > > > to PPC. > > > > Also, ARM is just too limited. Don't get me wrong, it has its place, it's > > way up there on the MIPS/Watt scale. So it plays into the battery-powered > > market just great, and by extension, dedicated consumer products like STBs, > > which will save money on the power supply this way. But let's not get out > > of prespective here. The fastest StrongARM is only hitting SPECs in the > > middle-of-the-road PPC603 range. Integer. Floating Point? Let's not go > > there. > > I really think ACORNs' implementation of the ARM processor in its' current > and forthcoming range of personal computers is is quite exceptional, whilst > Acorn users suffer from lack of FPU and preemptive multitasking their RISC OS > is really quite superb... I don't wish to enter into a debate on the positive > and negative attributes between Amiga Vs Acorn OS. But rather point out that > both have their relative strengths as well as shortcomings. > > > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, > ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! > > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to > expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the > desktop market..... > > Instead of ( Only Amiga ) > Replace with ( Anything but Wintel ) :-)))) > > > > > > Additionally the call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the > > > Amiga market with its proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling > > > software could be a deciding factor; > > > > Look at the BeOS -- > ^^^^ What are your thoughts on that now that Jobs with his NEXT > OS is back home with Apple Mac. > > > floating point is used all over the place, for > > graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. Often > > faster than fixed point doing the same job, plus it runs in a different > > execution unit. So you can as much as double performance using floats > > appropriately, and they're kind of what you wanted anyway in an ideal > > world, for many of these things. > > Its' becoming clear to most vendors I think that the days of CISC technology > will be with us for some time but I believe those days are numbered... PPC6 > series has my vote, though I must admit I'm having quite a love affair with > the StrongArm & RISC OS, compliments of the Acorn RPC. I look forward to > where both technologies are heading RPC & PPC. > > < ANYTHING BUT WINTEL > > Actually, DEC is making a new StrongARM. They recently released a 288mhz(?) StrongARM chip. There is a rumor that the new strongarm will have an fpu and dec IS adding PCI support to the strongarm (check the dec site). Also, Acorn is coming out with a new OS in the second quarter of 1997. Also, according to an acorn rep i talked to, the new RiscII computer from acorn should be coming out shortly. Just wait and see, the StrongARM chip could become a contender. Justin Noehre
From: s.brandon@music.gla.ac.uk (Stephen Brandon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: 8 Apr 1997 09:51:15 GMT Organization: University of Glasgow Message-ID: <5id4ej$m77@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> spammers@ruin.the.internet wrote: >Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized >a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and >everything). <<<>>> >Randy >Randy Rencsok General UNIX, NeXTStep, IRIX Admining, >Turbo Software Consulting, Programming, etc.) I might add to this that I have needed to add the mount options rsize=5120 and wsize=5120 to the NeXT end of the connection before this worked for me. This seems to be a peculiarly NeXT/SGI problem as far as I can see. Exporting an xfs partition may also have been a contributing factor (as opposed to efs). I also export from the sgi with the -32bitclients option enabled, though this may not be necessary. Tested under IRIX6.2. Stephen Brandon s.brandon@music.gla.ac.uk
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Micropolis "Aries" Drive for NeXT Turbo? Date: 27 Mar 1997 20:29:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5helao$ogk@agate.berkeley.edu> Anyone know if a Micropolis Model 4421 Fast SCSI-2 Interface 2147MB 9ms 5400rpm 3.5" "low-profile" disk drive will work well in my NeXT Turbo Slab? Or should I forget about it? E-mail me if you have experience and/or insight with this. Thanks. John
From: andydunn@op.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Okidata 610e with NeXTstation? Date: 8 Apr 1997 23:17:39 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Message-ID: <5iejmj$lbp@picasso.op.net> Hi, I am considering getting an Okidata 610e/PS printer to hook up to my slab (NS 3.1). Does anyone have any experiences with these printers? Will any of the Oki drivers that come with NeXTstep handle this printer? Any opinions or advice on the matter would be appreciated. TIA, _andy
From: Markus Wenzel <not@this.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do about PCI bus on NeXTSTEP 3.2 ? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:38:20 +0200 Organization: SNI Message-ID: <334CD12C.234F23DE@this.net> References: <5i6cfm$5kj@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 marcelor@acs.bu.edu wrote: > I have been running 3.2 on White since it came out. With all > the fuss that was going on when 3.3 came out, I decided > not to upgrade. Over this time I upgraded hardware a > couple of times but kept 3.2 and VL-bus based machines. > Now I've reached the point where I need to move this > machine over to at least a Pentium so I'm wondering if > there is anyway to get the PCI bus drivers from 3.3 working > with 3.2 and how to obtain same if that is possible. You have to upgrade to 3.3. There's no need to worry about it, 3.3/Intel is rock solid.
From: dmcnetman@mindspring.com (Dennis M. Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:58:38 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <5if0l6$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) wrote: Oh, almost forgot. If you're just looking to upgrade, I see that Anti-Gravity is extending their Pentitrator line with an Alpha version, due late summer, I think. Dennis
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,chi.jobs,il.jobs Subject: Developers/Learn Next/Career Position/ILL Date: 10 Apr 1997 20:56:43 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5ijk6b$ii7@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer----Commercial experience NEXT------Any experience--a strong plus C or C++ & Unix---Strong plus Career Position---Outstanding benefits Relocation---Company assistance Area---Greater Chicago Area To Be Considered---Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <334d6af0.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 10 Apr 97 22:34:24 GMT rgonzal@binghamton.edu (Bob Gonzales) wrote: >Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have >NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. Have you tried /NextApps/Grab.app? You should have it on your system, unless it's be deleted on purpose. Darren http://www.bcog.org/~dreely
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 68k NeXT and Speedometer Utility Date: 9 Apr 1997 22:57:11 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5ih6s7$ijc$1@wwwproxy.seicom.net> References: <5ig7qh$hsm$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> phillips@alpha1.phoenix.net (Charles Phillips) wrote: > The title says it all - does a Speedometer or Clockometer for the 68k NeXT > exist? There are several benchmark utilities but no Speedometer. NXBench or BenchPress will do benchmark tests on your 68k NeXT machine. ---- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is NexTTV ? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:04:37 -0500 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Message-ID: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? TIA. Atindra.
From: Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 11 Apr 1997 00:02:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: : But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems : will be dead in a couple of years. : (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about 4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be minimal. Forget it! : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the global mainstream computer industry. Acorn is a blip in computer history and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is dead.
From: dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:14:14 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: >The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: >: But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems >: will be dead in a couple of years. >: (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that >Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't mean that, at any rate. Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd do that if it weren't worthwhile. For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these 32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. >: fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that >: respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not >StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be >minimal. Forget it! Right. I guess that's why TI are building a 500MHz variant, huh? You're not making a lot of sense, you know that? >: Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised >: what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). >All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the >global mainstream computer industry. And what are these, pray tell? Holding on to the old sequential philosophy which is clearly outdated? Sequential software is easier to write, that's true, but most problems are not instrinsically sequential and could be solved much more efficiently using parallel approaches. If there are really big, time-demanding computations going on they're solved in parallel even today, that's a fact; have you even heard of PVM? Do you think the big SGI graphics monsters are working on one cylinder??? Learn to look over the rim of your coffee-cup. You remind me of the guy who said there'd be a market for maybe three or four computers on a global scale when the first microprocessor came out (or something along that line, I don't have the quote handy ATM). >Acorn is a blip in computer history >and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine >than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is >dead. We were talking about ARM processors, specifically StrongARM, not Acorn. Remember I was suggesting a load of StrongARMs in a Unix box. And if you're suggesting ARM are a blip too then maybe you should consider who licensed the ARM design lately. Whether ARM are big in desktop machines is another issue. They could be very big once parallel systems are established - which will happen, I'm sure of that. But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real life. Andreas
From: Rich Browning <rbrowning@acorn.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:58:12 +0100 (BST) Organization: Acorn Network Computing, Cambridge, United Kingdom Message-ID: <ant1113129eeLJLo@om122.acorn.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In article <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com>, Glenn Saunders <URL:mailto:krishna@primenet.com> wrote: > StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be > minimal. Forget it! Sorry. That's not an option. :) -- Richard Browning, Project Manager, Graphics & Font Technology Acorn Network Computing Tel: +44 (0) 1223 725 594 Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road Fax: +44 (0) 1223 725 100 Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:14:09 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5im2i1$jrf$3@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Cc: cdb@precipice.com In <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> christopher wrote: > ok gang, > > thanks for the one reply to my inquiry about why my wacom 12 x 12 format > graphics tablet ain't rolling. this kind fellow suggested i call wacom > tech support, so i did. wacom says it doesn't support next hardware, and > doesn't think it will work. i explained that the next documentation (white > Network and System Administration manual, p 185-186) says a 12 x 12 format > does work after installation via InstallTablet.app, and that furthermore > i've seen the same-sized (if not same model#, mine's UD-1212-R) tablet > working on a very similar system to mine (nd turbo vs non, the > difference). i emailed the former owner of that system for clues and he > said to try different settings of the DIP switches on the back of the > tablet. trouble is i don't see any switches other than a power switch on > the back of this here tablet. > Could that ND Turbo have been a ADB ND Turbo? That might make a difference. I too have been contemplating purchasing a Wacom but I want it to work on a SGI and a ADB Turbo ND. (even if it means me cobbling a second serial connector with right pinouts) The problem was what the exact differences are between the MAC ADB and the PC Wacom, beyond the serial pinouts. If anyone knows (Steve Weintz are you out there... I know you have SGI's and NeXT's.. Do you have a Wacom?) Randy rencsok@channelu.com
From: kdb@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DynaMO 540 and SYS.230 Date: 11 Apr 1997 21:42:49 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5imb8p$n6$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Does anyone know if Fujitsu's DynaMO 640 and/or Olympus's SYS.230 MO drives will work with my Color NeXTStation running NS3.2? I'd heard stories about the older DynaMO 230 not working, but I truly can't recall. Thanks for any info you can provide.. ...................................................................... : Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin : : kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 : :....................................................................:
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Connecting to network and ISP Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:54:21 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <334EDD3D.58A3@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.smart.net!not-for-mail From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Connecting to network and ISP Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:13 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <334D29BD.41FE@smart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gh.smart.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.smart.net comp.sys.next.sysadmin:5716 I'm trying to connect to my ISP with an Ascend Pipeline 25 Px. This is an ISDN router with an ethernet backend which is connected to my computer. My ISP uses an Ascend Max 4000, and has assigned me one static IP address (206.153.50.76). They depend on the router to use network address translation. The manual for the router says to assign the router an artificial address with each of the dotted quads between 100 and 255. And further, to assign the computer an address with the last number different from the router by one. Does this mean that I completely ignore the actual number that the ISP has assigned me, and use any bogus numbers such as 192.168.100.100 for the router and 192.168.100.101 for the computer? Would the correct netmask be 255.255.255.0? Would the correct broadcast address be 192.168.100.255? Are there any other parameters I need to set? I started up the Simple Network Starter application in order to set the parameters. When I entered the settings I got error messages that I could not change them with that application. The NeXT documentation says you can make changes with it, and whats the point in having that app if you can't make changes? So how can I get this app to work, or which app would I use to make the changes? --Greg
From: Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to network and ISP Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:47:28 -0500 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Message-ID: <334F05D0.DC8@interramp.com> References: <334EDD3D.58A3@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the Ascend Pipeline 25 Px myself. As far as I know, it ONLY supports dynamic IP addressing, not static addresses. And yes, follow the manual EXACTLY regarding the fake IP addresses. I have been using it for over a year on many machines with NO problems. Atindra.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 97 03:47:19 -0700 From: Michael Ross <mross> Message-ID: <9704121047.AA02917@antigone.com> Subject: test please ignore
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered Subject: NEXT/Career Position/IL Date: 12 Apr 1997 17:32:36 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5iogvk$ion@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXT---------Commercial experience Objective C--Commercial experience Career Position----Full benefits Opportunity-----Outstanding Area----Greater Chicago Area To Be Considered----Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: DynaMO 540 and SYS.230 Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:00:59 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <5ioikr$ebd@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <5imb8p$n6$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: kdb@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu In <5imb8p$n6$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Kurt D. Bollacker wrote: > I'd heard stories about the older DynaMO 230 not working, but I truly can't > recall. I've had a DynaMO 230 on my NeXTstation for over a year with no problems. Works great. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@neosoft.com PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: jreynolds <@txdirect.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Parallel is not new Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:10:46 -0500 Organization: Bauer Audio Visual Message-ID: <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on the issue of parallel processors: The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. Most pc companies are trying to make it affordable; certainly there is a need for it. But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only ran at 33Mhz.
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 13 Apr 1997 10:44:12 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5ipa8s$uap@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) writes: >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >mean that, at any rate. [...] >For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >price, considering RAM prices. Funny that --- that sounds _exactly_ like the system we built for the German version of Science Fair in 1990. Although, of course, we used Hitachi HD64180 (effectively fast Z80 plus support chips) CPUs, and were talking 32kB of local memory rather than "a measly 2M". On a processor with just 64k address space (yeah, the 64180 had an MMU, but we didn't really use that one all that much), dividing it into 32k private memory and 32k shared memory made sense. 4 Processors per board, sharing 32k with a dedicated communications processor that has access to 4 of those boards; 4 of the dedicated communications processors sharing 32k with a higher level communications processor.... you get a tree that way. The bummer really is --- even in 1990, we built this thing in SMD, and had to pull quite a few strings to be able to do so (but the prototype was really cool wire wrap stuff :-). These days, you just can't build anything exciting anymore with a soldering iron...... >You can always get data from the main (shared) >memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. Not ray tracing, but mandelbrot set calculations were our example best suited for this type of machine (writing a ray tracer at all, let alone in Occam, would have taken way too long). However, even doing something like neural networks, message passing systems really get ugly; The same holds for a lot of other stuff. Try to do a matrix inversion on a message passing system... when asked to do this for my parallel programming course, I ended up doing every single calculation twice, because that was faster than getting the results through the network (and boy was the resulting algorithm elegant. Kinda hard to explain, though ;-). >You remind me of the guy who said there'd be a market for maybe three or >four computers on a global scale when the first microprocessor came out >(or something along that line, I don't have the quote handy ATM). And you sound like a guy who thinks computers didn't exist before microprocessors (i.e. 1972). BTW, the quote was allegedly from Thomas Watson Sr, the guy who made IBM big in the punch card market. He didn't grasp the idea of computers.... Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Message-ID: <nagleE8K4o5.5ou@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 03:36:05 GMT Sender: nagle@netcom6.netcom.com jreynolds <@txdirect.net> writes: >on the issue of parallel processors: >The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. Most pc >companies are trying to make it affordable; certainly there is a need >for it. Actually, Cray was noted for their vector machines; their early machines were SIMD. Multiprocessors came much later, and they weren't a big player in massive parallelism a la Thinking Machines. >But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only >ran at 33Mhz. No way. Even the Cray 1 could start a new multiply every 13 nanoseconds. John Nagle
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: bjl@ecf.toronto.edu (Brian Lee) Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Sender: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator) Message-ID: <E8K59M.F0G@ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 03:48:58 GMT References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel <dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> wrote: > >Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: > >>The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: >>: But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems >>: will be dead in a couple of years. >>: (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that > >>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. who says we need a central memory pool? many/most of the massively parallel systems that exist today (say Cray, Intel, etc) use message passing, not the shared-memory programming paradigm. >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >mean that, at any rate. >Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >do that if it weren't worthwhile. By MPP, they usually mean over 500 or more processors? I've seen an Intel machine with over 8000. The SGI's have up to 36 last time I looked, that's why you can still use a shared bus. >For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these >32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use >of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) >memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. I guess this is true if you have a big cache. otherwise, with a bunch of CPUs constantly accessing memory at say, 50M/second, you'll be in big trouble... >>: fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that >>: respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not > >>StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be >>minimal. Forget it! > >Right. I guess that's why TI are building a 500MHz variant, huh? You're not >making a lot of sense, you know that? > >>: Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised >>: what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). > >>All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the >>global mainstream computer industry. you can't exactly say that buying a MPP is main stream either at the moment... >And what are these, pray tell? Holding on to the old sequential philosophy >which is clearly outdated? Sequential software is easier to write, that's >true, but most problems are not instrinsically sequential and could be >solved much more efficiently using parallel approaches. >If there are really big, time-demanding computations going on they're >solved in parallel even today, that's a fact; have you even heard of PVM? >Do you think the big SGI graphics monsters are working on one cylinder??? >Learn to look over the rim of your coffee-cup. >You remind me of the guy who said there'd be a market for maybe three or >four computers on a global scale when the first microprocessor came out >(or something along that line, I don't have the quote handy ATM). > >>Acorn is a blip in computer history >>and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine >>than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is >>dead. > >We were talking about ARM processors, specifically StrongARM, not Acorn. >Remember I was suggesting a load of StrongARMs in a Unix box. And if you're >suggesting ARM are a blip too then maybe you should consider who licensed >the ARM design lately. Whether ARM are big in desktop machines is another >issue. They could be very big once parallel systems are established - which >will happen, I'm sure of that. > >But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision >and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then >market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- >processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real >life. > > > > >Andreas -- Brian Jonathan Lee (aka "hojo") | "Beef satay?!?! Not beef satay again!!!!" bjl@ecf.toronto.edu | "XMen! XMen! Rescue Kitty from the caves!" bjl@eecg.toronto.edu | "Evil thy name is NETREK!"
From: Erik A Hansen <hansen_e@cmr.fsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ariel DATport Date: 12 Apr 1997 22:03:18 GMT Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <5ip0r6$f85@news.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for an Ariel DATport for the NeXT. It is a breakout box that provides digital inputs (and outputs?) to the NeXT's DSP. I'm mainly looking for one for the opportunity to have one, money is limited while I'm attending school. I'm also open to any other ideas for sound inputs for the NeXT. Anyone want to part with their Digital Ears, cheaply? thanks, erik -- Erik Ariston Hansen hansen_e@cmr.fsu.edu http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~hansen_e
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 13 Apr 1997 15:18:18 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> jreynolds <@txdirect.net> writes: >on the issue of parallel processors: >The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. [...] >But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only >ran at 33Mhz. In fact, this isn't true for at least the early Crays. The thing that made early Crays fast was that they were vector processors with very well designed pipelines (oh, and the fact that hand selected parts were used at speeds way beyond the specifications, and the fact that a decision of "save a few bucks, or lose a fraction of a percent of performance" was always made in favour of performance). Later Crays had some moderate number of parallel processors, but still each single processor was extremely fast for its time. The company that _really_ went for parallel computers was Thinking Machines Corporation (of dubious Jurassic Park fame ;-). They started building a 65536 processor machine --- with bit sliced 1 bit processors. Really cool thing, but tremendously expensive. In the end, they built their machines on a (comparatively) small number of fast Sparc CPUs (I think the CM5 supported up to 4096 processors). This company understood a lot about parallel computers (as is evident if you watch one of their promotional videos), and still with the end of the cold war, they went under. Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: Manuel Timmers <starcorp@innet.be> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:22:51 +0100 (BST) Organization: StarLight Corp., Belgium, +32 3 238 52 45 Message-ID: <ant131451bbaWWT7@year0332.innet.be> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com>, Glenn Saunders <URL:mailto:krishna@primenet.com> wrote: > Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to > use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about > 4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. We'll see about that in the future, won't we? > : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that > : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not > > StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be > minimal. Forget it! ...says the expert whom has never seen an Acorn desktop "home" computer. > : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised > : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). > > All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the > global mainstream computer industry. Acorn is a blip in computer history > and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine > than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is > dead. > 1) Mainstream is NOT necesarly good! 2) Maybe Acorn is a blip but this blip STILL excists while others, usually larger companies like Commodore, Atari, 3DO etc.. are gone! 3) Besides why should Acorn care about "trends" while they're only interested in "good (funky) computers" that fullfill needs not advertising bills. So maybe we are naive at least our systems work exceptionally good considering their humble specs. Try an Acorn as a home user before you comment. CU -- Manuel Timmers, StarLight Corp., email starcorp@innet.be Personal pages WWW-pages at http://www.club.innet.be/~year0332/ StarLight Corp. WWW-pages at http://www.whib.be/starcorp **** Acorn Risc OS Systems: Power to Smart People! ****
From: Christian.Colin@emn.fr (Christian Colin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why was NewGrazer become so slow ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 09:10:38 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines de Nantes Message-ID: <5issae$95m$1@wfn.emn.fr> Hi, I used NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 since many months without any problem. But few days ago it was become very slow. When we select a newsgroup, we can see instantenously the numbers of news. But the display of their title is very slow : one or two seconds per new. All functions of NewsGrazer are slow until it finishes to decode all news. After that, it has a normal functioning. The change of newgrazer speed is appeared when we have made a release of our news server. We had before INN 1.4.x, and we have now INN 1.5.1. When we use others newsreader (for example Alexandra), we haven't any problem. So, the problem should come from a incompatibility between INN 1.5.1 and NewsGrazer. Does anyone have the same problem ? Does anyone know how to fix it ? Our configuration : - SPARC 5 with 64 Mo + NextStep 3.3 for sparc - NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 - INN 1.5.1 (news server) Thanks in advance for your help. Christian __________________________________________________________________________ Christian Colin Departement Informatique - Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, rue Alfred Kastler BP 20722 F-44307 Nantes Cedex 3 FRANCE TEL :(en France) 02 51 85 82 18 PHONE (outside France) : 33 2 51 85 82 07 E-mail : Christian.Colin@emn.fr WWW : http://www.emn.fr/dept_info/image __________________________________________________________________________
From: vamp@vamp.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 01:07:51 -0700 Organization: http://www.vamp.org/ Message-ID: <y1lu3laf2nc.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> References: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> writes: > Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? Its in /NextDeveloper/Demos/NeXTtv.app -- Ryan L. Watkins `silver moonbeams dance in fountains below shining citadels vamp@vamp.org surrounded by silver gates ascending silver stairs www.vamp.org eureka on angelic prayer wafts in and scents the air' -satb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "D. D. Brierton" <ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Subject: NS 3.3 and OS/Mach 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3352CC7A.6B79@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Sender: cnews@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (C News Software) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Centre for Cogntive Science, University of Edinburgh Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:31:54 GMT In the NeXT web pages (http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html) OS/Mach 4.1 is described as an upgrade to NS 3.3. Does that mean that if you want to install OS/Mach 4.1 you have to have NS 3.3 installed already? Or, can a first time NeXT purchaser simply buy OS/Mach 4.1? Plus, does anyone know what changes/improvements are likely to be in OS/Mach 4.2, or when it wil be released? Best, Darren -- // ================================================================== // // D. D. Brierton // // Centre for Cognitive Science mailto:ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk // // University of Edinburgh http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb // // // // "The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a // // suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for // // life. For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When // // it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain any- // // more, so it eats it! (It's rather like getting tenure.)" // // ---Daniel C. Dennett, Consciousness Explained // // ================================================================== //
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.3 and OS/Mach 4.1 Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:44:03 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5iubvj$6fj@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <3352CC7A.6B79@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Cc: ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk In <3352CC7A.6B79@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> "D. D. Brierton" wrote: > In the NeXT web pages > > (http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html) > > OS/Mach 4.1 is described as an upgrade to NS 3.3. Does that mean that if > you want to install OS/Mach 4.1 you have to have NS 3.3 installed > already? Or, can a first time NeXT purchaser simply buy OS/Mach 4.1? > while the pricing may differ between a new install and an upgrade, the software works either way, as a clean install or an upgrade from 3.2, 3.3 and most likely previous versions as well. > Plus, does anyone know what changes/improvements are likely to be in > OS/Mach 4.2, or when it wil be released? > don't know that, probably performance tweaks and bug fixes mostly. haven't heard a firm release date yet, I would guess june-ish? say between the DR1 of Rhapsody (May, we hope) and 8.0 of MAC (July)? > Best, > > Darren -rick
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why was NewGrazer become so slow ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:29:35 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5iu43f$2s8$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5issae$95m$1@wfn.emn.fr> In-Reply-To: <5issae$95m$1@wfn.emn.fr> On 04/14/97, Christian Colin wrote: >Hi, > >I used NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 since many months without any >problem. But few days ago it was become very slow. When we select >a newsgroup, we can see instantenously the numbers of news. But >the display of their title is very slow : one or two seconds >per new. All functions of NewsGrazer are slow until it finishes >to decode all news. After that, it has a normal functioning. > >The change of newgrazer speed is appeared when we have made a >release of our news server. We had before INN 1.4.x, and we have >now INN 1.5.1. When we use others newsreader (for example >Alexandra), we haven't any problem. So, the problem should come >from a incompatibility between INN 1.5.1 and NewsGrazer. > >Does anyone have the same problem ? >Does anyone know how to fix it ? > >Our configuration : > >- SPARC 5 with 64 Mo + NextStep 3.3 for sparc >- NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 >- INN 1.5.1 (news server) > >Thanks in advance for your help. The problem is inn 1.5.1 most likely. INN now inserts a sleep before each ARTICLE is served. This was driving me CRAZY the other day, so I hunted up the config line in INN/config/config.data ## Do you want to make life easy for peers to pull feeds from you (it's ## harder on your machine). Pick DO or DONT. With DONT, you get a small ## sleep inserted before each ARTICLE command is processed. (With ## apologies to the Australians in the audience). #### =()<LIKE_PULLERS @<LIKE_PULLERS>@>()= LIKE_PULLERS DO If its DONT you get that delay. Recompile with it as DO.... unfortunately I had this set as DONT in the copy on Stepwise... I'll reset it if anyone is interested in downloading a working config.data.. its on Stepwise now.. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Soft power-down Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:01:18 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in the habit of turning off their computers everyday, there is potential for unintended disaster - not to mention a needless lengthy file system check the next time they boot. It would be a good idea for Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar to that found on HP workstations. What this does, is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of immediately shutting off the power, it executes a clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. --gh
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From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5iukol$okg$7004@news.j51.com> Date: 15 Apr 1997 02:07:56 GMT Control: cancel <5iukol$okg$7004@news.j51.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5iukol$okg$7004@news.j51.com> Sender: S.P., Woodring<datamax@j51.com> Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: bonzo@aros.net (Bonzo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:09:08 -0600 Organization: ArosNet Inc. Message-ID: <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> In article <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net>, gh@smart.net wrote: > Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > the habit of turning off their computers everyday, > there is potential for unintended disaster - not to > mention a needless lengthy file system check the > next time they boot. It would be a good idea for > Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar > to that found on HP workstations. What this does, > is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of > immediately shutting off the power, it executes a > clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. > > --gh Macs have had this for years.
From: fdonzel@tin.it (C.E.D. F. DONZELLI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HW/SW Dealers & Manufacturers urgently wanted. Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:04:34 GMT Organization: Telecom Italia - Video On Line Message-ID: <5iv2pc$98s@everest.vol.it> * *************English version available upon request.****************** * INVITO A TUTTE LE AZIENDE INDUSTRIALI E COMMERCIALI OPERANTI NEL SETTORE DELL'HARDWARE & SOFTWARE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C.E.D. - CENTRO ELABORAZIONE DATI F. DONZELLI - Comiso, RG, ITALY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- La ns. Azienda, operante nel campo dei servizi telematici, ha deciso di collegare in Videoconferenza via-Internet ISDN la sua Sede principale e altre cinque sedi periferiche in Italia e all'estero. Nella sede principale, vorremmo installare n. 3 terminali che, pilotati da un'unica unita' centrale, possano intrattenere tre sessioni di videoconferenza con le sedi periferiche in modo assolutamente indipendente ciascuno dagli altri. In sintesi, tre persone devono poter effettuare ciascuno il proprio collegamento, con una diversa sede periferica, nello stesso momento. Sarebbe come avere tre PC collegati a tre linee ISDN diverse, ma noi vorremmo fare tutto utilizzando un'unica linea telefonica, un'unica unita' centrale, un unico modem e tre terminali video, opportunamente equipaggiati con telecamera, microfono, casse acustiche ed eventuali cuffie. I tre terminali verranno utilizzati solo per questo scopo, per cui non ci interessa che siano necessariamente dotati di tastiera, mouse, ecc., ma devono poter prevedere questa possibilita' per il futuro. L'unita' centrale verra' sistemata al piano terra della ns. sede, mentre i tre terminali saranno alloggiati in tre stanze al primo piano. Agli OPeratori interessati chiediamo: - di confermarci la fattibilita' del ns. progetto o, se opportuno, quali sono le modifiche da apportare e per quale motivo; - di segnalarci quali dei Vs. prodotti (HW e SW) ci renderanno possibile la realizzazione nel modo ottimale; con l'occasione, sottolineamo che la Vs. offerta dovra' riferirsi a prodotto finito e perfettamente funzionante, per cui i prezzi che ci proporrete potranno comprendere anche i vari pacchetti software, qualora Vi sia possibile; - qualora non foste nella possibilita' di fornirci tutto l'HW/SW occorrente, Vi preghiamo di segnalarci quali componenti o applicazioni che noi dovremo reperire altrove sono compatibili con i sistemi da Voi forniti; - di informarci riguardo alla compatibilita' tra i Vs. sistemi ed altri eventualmente utilizzati da altre persone o societa' con cui eventualmente dovessimo collegarci, sempre via-Internet ISDN, in videoconferenza (es.: ns. collaboratori, clienti, fornitori, ecc.); - qualcuno ci ha accennato ai "radio modem"; potreste dirci cosa sono esattamente, per quali usi possono essere impiegati e, quindi, se possono prestarsi al caso in questione? - di farci pervenire (CON LA MASSIMA URGENZA!!!) la Vs. proposta/offerta a mezzo e-mail e, contemporaneamente, tramite posta o corriere, unitamente a cataloghi, schede tecniche e listini. Le offerte dovranno pervenire via e-mail e, contemporaneamente, dovranno essere spedite a mezzo espresso (postale o corriere) a: C.E.D. Federico Donzelli Via San Biagio, 86/s I-97013 COMISO (RG) Tel.: ++39-932-966.603 Fax: ++39-932-966.603 E-mail: fdonzel@tin.it
From: lfh@pilot.njin.net (Luis Hernandez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Get OS 4.1 or stick with 3.3? Date: 15 Apr 1997 04:12:28 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Message-ID: <5ivd9c$69a@pilot.njin.net> Hello, Getting a NeXT Station soon and I wanted to know if it's worth it to wait till I find a system with 4.1 installed or just stick with a readily available system with 3.3? What are the advantages of 4.1 over 3.3? Also, what's included in the OS 4.1 Academic bundle? Please reply to cjabido@npl.org since I don't know when this account will die. Thanks! Carl Jabido cjabido@npl.org Newark Public Library
From: "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:08:12 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernd Meyer wrote: > > Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... Are you talking about that 9,000 + cpu monster Intel patched together with spit and a prayer, the one they referenced when making the "Intel Breaks the One Billion operations per second Barrier" public relations claim? If so, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It wasn't anything but a silly public relations gimmick anyway...:) I daresay a parallel mainframe would take up a lot less room than the 2500 or so quad-processored desktops Intel chained together for that little inane song and dance...:) Intel is perpetually paranoid, after all. They put this thing together in response to AMD's K6!....:) (not!) John
From: bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Why Crays are fast Date: 15 Apr 1997 02:52:13 GMT Organization: University of Regina, Dept. of Computer Science Message-ID: <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> In article <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au>, Bernd Meyer <bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> wrote: > >[...] The thing that >made early Crays fast was that they were vector processors with very well >designed pipelines (oh, and the fact that hand selected parts were used >at speeds way beyond the specifications, and the fact that a decision of >"save a few bucks, or lose a fraction of a percent of performance" was >always made in favour of performance). Later Crays had some moderate >number of parallel processors, but still each single processor was extremely >fast for its time. In fact, performance was first even when it was thousands of bucks on the line. The result being that the later Crays (*real* Crays, designed by Cray himself) contained technology that you could easilly believe was teleported from ten years in the future. According to one ex-Cray Computers employee, they were using coaxial 'cables' on the Cray 4 that could fit through the eye of a needle. The entire gallium arsenide CPU (which would have been the most powerful on earth, had they had the money to just plug it in) fit in a 3D package the size of a paperback book. Seymore Cray was one man who had the ability to make the impossible work, and make it seem easy at the same time. He felt that the next big step in computers would involve biological assembly. It sounds like SF, but I really expect he would have made it work. Of course, it was all sold off as scrap when the company came up short of money by almost the exact cost of a Cray T-90 - which ironically, his *previous* company (Cray Research) made a big sale for shortly before his current one (Cray Computer Corporation) folded - even though the Cray 3 was still faster, and the Cray 4 would have left both in the dust. But that's the way things go, isn't it? -- John Bayko (Tau). bayko@cs.uregina.ca http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~bayko
From: kalico@txdirect.net (Kalico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 15 Apr 1997 09:04:37 GMT Organization: K.I.L. Message-ID: <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Macintosh Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com>, "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... > Are you talking about that 9,000 + cpu monster Intel patched together > with spit and a prayer, the one they referenced when making the "Intel > Breaks the One Billion operations per second Barrier" public relations > claim? SGI used the R10,000 ( the almost named T-5 chip ) which runs *just* under 1 BIP. Is that chip obsolete yet?
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 15 Apr 1997 16:07:38 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes: >Bernd Meyer wrote: >> Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... >Are you talking about that 9,000 + cpu monster Intel patched together >with spit and a prayer, the one they referenced when making the "Intel >Breaks the One Billion operations per second Barrier" public relations >claim? That's the one. Though the "billion" was an (American) trillion, i.e. 10^12. A _billion_ (10^9) instructions per second is what any half decent single CPU ALPHA can do. >If so, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It wasn't anything but a >silly public relations gimmick anyway...:) Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense department pays several megabucks for it ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 15 Apr 1997 13:18:20 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ivv6s$3du@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <E8K59M.F0G@ecf.toronto.edu> bjl@ecf.toronto.edu (Brian Lee) writes: >In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, >Andreas Dehmel <dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> wrote: >>I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >>mean that, at any rate. >>Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >>do that if it weren't worthwhile. >By MPP, they usually mean over 500 or more processors? I've seen an >Intel machine with over 8000. The SGI's have up to 36 last time I >looked, that's why you can still use a shared bus. I didn't mean to say the RealityMonster was MPP - just to make a point that 4 processors is not the limit at all. And the kind of processor that goes into this monster is not exactly easy on any bus... >>For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >>[...] Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >>at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. >I guess this is true if you have a big cache. otherwise, with a bunch >of CPUs constantly accessing memory at say, 50M/second, you'll be in big >trouble... Not if each one sits on its own bus and communicates via message transfer. That was the entire point of the above paragraph. >you can't exactly say that buying a MPP is main stream either at the >moment... If we were all following mainstream we'd all have Wintel boxes on our desks. It's important to try new things. Parallel processing is not new, but parallel processing for the home user is. Same as when Acorn built the first Arc RISC wasn't new but RISC for the home user was. Sadly it still was 7 years later when Apple claimed to have been the first to do it... Andreas
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:58:10 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> In article <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) wrote: > even though the Cray 3 was still faster, and the Cray 4 would have left > both in the dust. But that's the way things go, isn't it? Another way to look at the lineup is just to look at "comparable specs" against modern PC's. For instance, I once saw a Cray 1 as being able to process the equivalent of 150 MIPS. Not bad, even a good PC can barely touch that. Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. Maury
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From: kummer@pogo.den.mmc.com (Jim Kummer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:25:06 -0700 Organization: Lockheed Martin Message-ID: <kummer-ya023580001504971725060001@news.den.mmc.com> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net>, gh@smart.net wrote: > Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > the habit of turning off their computers everyday, When you shut down your Mac, you first engage the menu item 'Special/ShutDown', which does *exactly* what you suggest. Then you power off the machine. If there are any files open with pending changes not saved, you will be prompted to SAVE before the application is closed. This has been a feature of Macintoshes for years, probably before HP had it on its workstations. -- JimK -- Jim Kummer - Computer Systems Engineer | Lockheed Martin Corp | -- kummer@pogo.ast.lmco.com | Astronautics Sector, Denver| (standard disclaimer applies) => "Opinions expressed are mine alone"
From: "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:26:48 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3353F298.C9DCCE0D@ix.netcom.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernd Meyer wrote: > > Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense > department pays several megabucks for it ;-) Let's hope they are prepared to spend megabucks to administer and support it after the megabuck sale...:)
From: Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:21 +0200 Organization: Max-Volmer-Institut, TU Berlin Message-ID: <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it > was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. - Wulf -- ________________________________________________________ ! Dipl. Phys. Wulf Hofbauer (wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de) ! ! Max-Volmer-Institut Technische Universitaet Berlin ! ! Strasse des 17. Juni 135 10623 Berlin Germany ! !________________________________________________________!
From: Steve Weintz <indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:51:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <5j0t8h$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> wrote: : Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? : TIA. NeXTtv came with NS 2.1-3.2 User, in /NeXTDeveloper/Demos. Later versions of the OS (NS 3.3, OS 4.x) don't have it. I can mail ti to you, if you can receive attachments. - Steve Weintz * indy@is.com * http://www.is.com/Users/indy Graphic Designer * Integrity Solutions, Inc. * NeXTMail, MIME mail OK "And you two?" "We stampeded cattle." "That's not very criminal." "Through the Vatican?" "Kink-y..." -- Blazing Saddles
From: David Andel <da_vid@next_to_you.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:03:55 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU (http://www.nexttoyou.de) Message-ID: <5j2inr$cip@hal.nexttoyou.de> References: <5j0t8h$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <5j0t8h$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Steve Weintz <indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu> writes: [...] > NeXTtv came with NS 2.1-3.2 User, in /NeXTDeveloper/Demos. Later versions > of the OS (NS 3.3, OS 4.x) don't have it. Not true. The path on the NEXTSTEP 3.3 user CD is: /NEXTSTEP_3.3/NextDeveloper/Demos/NeXTtv.app -- David Andel NEXTTOYOU Magazine -> remove all "_" from my address to email me <-
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:30:02 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-1604971130020001@199.166.204.230> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> In article <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de>, Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> wrote: > Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) > can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) > are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. Ok ok, centimips then. Maury
From: Christopher Howland <chris@middlemarch.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Blank screen Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:51:35 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <33553BD7.308A@middlemarch.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used NetInfo to change my computers IP address. I also changed the computer's name, net mask, broadcast, and nextdefault gateway addresses. After rebooting the computer, when I log in, the Workspace Manager does not come up. The background color is there, and the mouse pointer is there (and able to move it around), but there are no windows, just the blank backspace color. How can I correctly reset the machine, and how do I shutdown the machine cleanly if I reach this position again? --gh
From: swestin@dsg145.nad.ford.com (Stephen Westin ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Message-ID: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> In-reply-to: Wulf Hofbauer's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:21 +0200 In article <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> writes: > Maury Markowitz wrote: > > Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it > > was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. > > Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) > can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) > are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 KFLOPS level. -- -Stephen H. Westin swestin@ford.com The information and opinions in this message are mine, not Ford's.
From: jimfitch@community.net (Jim Fitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:10:57 -0700 Organization: Digital America Message-ID: <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net>, bonzo@aros.net (Bonzo) wrote: >In article <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net>, gh@smart.net wrote: > >> Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? >> Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in >> the habit of turning off their computers everyday, >> there is potential for unintended disaster - not to >> mention a needless lengthy file system check the >> next time they boot. It would be a good idea for >> Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar >> to that found on HP workstations. What this does, >> is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of >> immediately shutting off the power, it executes a >> clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. >> >> --gh > > >Macs have had this for years. Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by Apple IMHO. -- Jim Fitch jimfitch@community.net I'd tell you to go to hell, but I work there and I don't want to see you every day.
From: D.F. <frakes@gseis.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: 16 Apr 1997 20:33:24 GMT Organization: . Distribution: world Message-ID: <5j3d2k$1s9k@uni.library.ucla.edu> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> Jim Fitch, jimfitch@community.net writes: >Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by Apple IMHO. Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the PowerMacs have "soft" power down. Dan frakes@kagi.com The InformInit Mac User 5-Mice, MacWorld Online Pick, AOL MUT Shareware of the Year <http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/DEF/InformInit.html> Version 1.4, covering System 7.6.1, coming soon...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Message-ID: <root.0o28@sweetdreams.lahn.de> From: mbethke@sweetdreams.lahn.de (Matthias Bethke) Organization: Sweet Dreams BBS Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 01:01:52 MES-2 References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> RFC1036/822 apg.lahn.de [UNIX/Connect v0.75-t1] In article <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> nobody@txdirect.net (Don't mail me!) writes: > The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. Most pc > companies are trying to make it affordable; certainly there is a need > for it. > > But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only > ran at 33Mhz. Yeah, a decade ago it did. Since then they have been leading edge in UHF processor stuff, sometimes making parts in GaAs-technology to drive clock frequencies even higher. They put more emphasis on CPU clock and vector processors than parallelism, their machines usually have ~16 CPUs. bye! Matthias -- GMC/O d-- s+: a-- C+++>$ BU+ P+ L+ E- W+@ N++ o+ K? w--- !O M V- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP>+ t 5 X- R tv- b++ DI D--- G e+ h r- y+
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black Mitsubishi Monitor on Millenium and PCs Date: 16 Apr 1997 21:29:16 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5j3gbc$9ip$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> What is involved in connecting the 20" Mitshubishi monitor on a PC with a Millenium card? Any cable needed (spliter etc?) Any dangers associated? Will the monitor accomodate the scanning rates from the Video Card? What scanning rates these would have to be? Any good thoughts? Thanks all for your kinf responses --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Steve Weintz <indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:53:35 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <5j0tcv$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> <5im2i1$jrf$3@msunews.cl.msu.edu> rencsok@channelu.com wrote: : Could that ND Turbo have been a ADB ND Turbo? That might make : a difference. I too have been contemplating purchasing a Wacom : but I want it to work on a SGI and a ADB Turbo ND. (even if it means : me cobbling a second serial connector with right pinouts) The problem : was what the exact differences are between the MAC ADB and the : PC Wacom, beyond the serial pinouts. If anyone knows (Steve Weintz : are you out there... I know you have SGI's and NeXT's.. Do you have : a Wacom?) Hi Randy? No, alas, I don't have a tablet -- it's one of those doodads I've wanted to get for years, but there was always [x] that demanded my time and cash...I corresponded with a guy at Wolfram Research who used a Wacom tablet with his black hardware; I'll see if I can't find the old mail. -- Steve Weintz * indy@is.com * http://www.is.com/Users/indy Graphic Designer * Integrity Solutions, Inc. * NeXTMail, MIME mail OK "And you two?" "We stampeded cattle." "That's not very criminal." "Through the Vatican?" "Kink-y..." -- Blazing Saddles
From: "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:32:16 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3353F3E0.8B2446C7@ix.netcom.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kalico wrote: > > SGI used the R10,000 ( the almost named T-5 chip ) which runs *just* under > 1 BIP. Is that chip obsolete yet? I was wrong on the benchmark numbers Intel used. They reported a TRILLION operations a second. I have no idea, though, what the benchmark itself tested or consisted of...:)
From: bonzo@aros.net (Bonzo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:33:22 -0600 Organization: ArosNet Inc. Message-ID: <bonzo-1604971533220001@dm3-36.slc.aros.net> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> > >> Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > >> Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > >> the habit of turning off their computers everyday, > >> there is potential for unintended disaster - not to > >> mention a needless lengthy file system check the > >> next time they boot. It would be a good idea for > >> Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar > >> to that found on HP workstations. What this does, > >> is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of > >> immediately shutting off the power, it executes a > >> clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. > >> > >> --gh > > > > > >Macs have had this for years. > > Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by Apple IMHO. No, some models did NOT have it, but any model that supported soft power on/off had the shutdown routine he was asking about, which is what I meant. In fact, I cant figure out what he is thinking, Macs always do what he suggests, whether you have to manual shut the power off when its done, or whether it shuts it off for you.
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Screen won't dim at login panel Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:05:41 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <33554D2B.7726@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just upgraded from NS 3.0 to NS 3.2 and now the screens on both of my NeXTs won't dim while at the login panel. I've searched the online documentation but I can't find any way to get the screen to dim. Does anyone know how to make the login screen automatically dim itself if NS 3.2? - Jeff Dutky
From: Eric Jacobs <no@no.no> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:34:56 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <33556220.584B@no.no> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <bonzo-1604971533220001@dm3-36.slc.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonzo wrote: > > > >> Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > > >> Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > > >> the habit of turning off their computers everyday, > > >> there is potential for unintended disaster - not to > > >> mention a needless lengthy file system check the > > >> next time they boot. It would be a good idea for > > >> Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar > > >> to that found on HP workstations. What this does, > > >> is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of > > >> immediately shutting off the power, it executes a > > >> clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. > > >> > > >> --gh > > > > > > > > >Macs have had this for years. > > > > Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by > Apple IMHO. > > No, some models did NOT have it, but any model that supported soft power > on/off had the shutdown routine he was asking about, which is what I > meant. In fact, I cant figure out what he is thinking, Macs always do what > he suggests, whether you have to manual shut the power off when its done, > or whether it shuts it off for you. He's referring to the power-off capability of the triangle button. Using the triangle button to power on has been around, yes, and so has choosing Shut Down from the menu to turn off the power, but using the triangle to power off the computer hasn't been around that long. -ej
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Message-ID: <E8r80G.Dvn@cwi.nl> Sender: news@cwi.nl (The Daily Dross) Organization: CWI, Amsterdam References: <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:31:28 GMT In article <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> swestin@dsg145.nad.ford.com (Stephen Westin ) writes: > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. The Cray-1 could do 80 MIPS (12.5 nanosecond clock, one instruction per cycle). -- dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131 home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/
From: Patrick Bartek <bartek@skylink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:17:15 -0800 Organization: NoLife Polymath Group Message-ID: <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. > > The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 > KFLOPS level. Stephen, Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. -- Patrick Bartek bartek@skylink.net
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From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 Apr 1997 22:39:49 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5j2hal$1sv@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> writes: >Maury Markowitz wrote: >> Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it >> was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. >Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) >can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) >are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. Not that there were all that many pre-WW2 CPUs, of course. Working ones could be counted on the thingers of one head ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher borden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 17 Apr 1997 01:20:18 GMT Message-ID: <5j3tsi$ks@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> <5im2i1$jrf$3@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <5j0tcv$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu In <5j0tcv$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Steve Weintz wrote: > rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > : Could that ND Turbo have been a ADB ND Turbo? That might make > : a difference. I too have been contemplating purchasing a Wacom > : but I want it to work on a SGI and a ADB Turbo ND. (even if it means > : me cobbling a second serial connector with right pinouts) The problem > : was what the exact differences are between the MAC ADB and the > : PC Wacom, beyond the serial pinouts. If anyone knows (Steve Weintz > : are you out there... I know you have SGI's and NeXT's.. Do you have > : a Wacom?) > > Hi Randy? No, alas, I don't have a tablet -- it's one of those > doodads I've wanted to get for years, but there was always [x] that > demanded my time and cash...I corresponded with a guy at Wolfram Research > who used a Wacom tablet with his black hardware; I'll see if I can't > find the old mail. > > thanks steve, i'm the one having trouble getting going with his (borrowed) wacom tablet, who started this (recent) strain. be great to be able to ask x, y or z at wolfram how to. chris borden
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fixing a NeXT laser printer Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:35:24 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXT level 2 laser 400 dpi laser printer that doesn't feed paper from the paper tray correctly. The paper is grabbed and pulled in a fraction of an inch and then stops. The NeXT then reports that the paper is jammed in the printer. Does anyone know of a FAQ sheet that discusses maintenance of the NeXT laser printer, or who I can contact to get the printer fixed? - Jeff Dutky
From: fischer@fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen won't dim at login panel Date: 17 Apr 1997 07:55:43 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <5j4l1v$bno@stern.fokus.gmd.de> References: <33554D2B.7726@BellAtlantic.net> "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> writes > I just upgraded from NS 3.0 to NS 3.2 and now the screens on both > of my NeXTs won't dim while at the login panel. I've searched the > online documentation but I can't find any way to get the screen to > dim. Does anyone know how to make the login screen automatically > dim itself if NS 3.2? > > - Jeff Dutky Look into 'man loginwindow' for some options. On NS 3.3 the screensaver preferences are settable using Preferences.app. I don't know whether its the same with NS3.2. Nevertheless by commandline 'root' may do the following: dwrite loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled Yes dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 60 You have to restart the window server to put these changes into effect (type 'exit' as username, no password). Et voila, Robert -- --- - .-. -- -- --- / \ ---- Robert Fischer .-. / \ --- .-. __o .-. @ / \ / \ / \ _`\<,_ / \ GMD-Fokus / \ / \ / \ (*)/ (*) / `-------------- / `---' `-' `-----------'
From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: 10 Apr 1997 09:31:19 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Sender: torbenm@thor.diku.dk Message-ID: <5iic17$ouu@vidar.diku.dk> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> <5if0l6$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> <334B5601.48ED@web.nih.gov> Ben Bauer <bauer@web.nih.gov> writes: >By late summer various Mac vendors will have 410Mhz systems in stock. >What do you think the CPU comparisons will look like then? If you are thinking about the Exponential PPC chips, they are (from what I have heard) not very fast compared to the clock speed. They mainly have a problem with the memory subsystem, which means that they spend a lot of time waiting for memory. While they are supposed to be cheaper than Alphas at equivalent clock rates, this is mainly a marketing issue. I believe DEC could lower the prices of Alphas by quite a lot if they thought this would lead to greatly increased sales. In other words, DEC (probably) have a fairly high margin on Alphas compared to StrongARMs. Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 17 Apr 1997 11:43:07 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5j52cb$kda@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Patrick Bartek <bartek@skylink.net> wrote: >On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > >> I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 >> MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the >> MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in >> one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. >> >> The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 >> KFLOPS level. > > >Stephen, > >Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. > >Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. Hi all, I've found this lurrrvely test from xx.. By compiling via GCC with the following command line: gcc -c second_c.c -o second_c.o gcc stream_d.c -o stream -LGCC:o.gcc -IGCC: second_c.o It compiles no hassles. Some selected results from the "standard" set showing a good mix of SUN/SGI/Mac/PC.. Figures in MB/sec. Machine ID ncpus COPY SCALE ADD TRIAD ------------------------------------------------------------------ Cray_T932_321024-3E 32 310721.0 302182.0 359841.0 359270.0 Sun_Ultra_Ent_10000 63 6307.0 6391.0 7203.0 7197.0 SGI_Origin_2000_2 32 5308.0 6534.0 6465.0 6539.0 Intel_Alder_Pentium_Pr 1 140.0 140.0 163.9 167.6 Apple_Mac_7500-150 1 96.0 96.0 106.7 106.7 Sun_SS20---- 1 55.2 56.0 59.7 57.0 SGI_Indigo 1 36.9 34.3 36.0 36.0 Dell_486_DX-2-66 1 33.3 16.5 22.0 18.8 Apple_Mac_6300 1 24.5 24.5 25.1 25.1 Acorn RiscPC710 (no fpu) 1 16.1 0.9 1.4 1.0 Me thinks that 16MHz bus kills the performance.. not to mention the lack of FPU.(any one want to an native assembler version?) Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Complete results output: ------------------------------------------------------------- This system uses 8 bytes per DOUBLE PRECISION word. ------------------------------------------------------------- Array size = 1000000, Offset = 0 Total memory required = 22.8 MB. Each test is run 10 times, but only the *best* time for each is used. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your clock granularity/precision appears to be 9998 microseconds. Each test below will take on the order of 13620002 microseconds. (= 1362 clock ticks) Increase the size of the arrays if this shows that you are not getting at least 20 clock ticks per test. ------------------------------------------------------------- WARNING -- The above is only a rough guideline. For best results, please be sure you know the precision of your system timer. ------------------------------------------------------------- Function Rate (MB/s) RMS time Min time Max time Copy: 16.1617 1.0000 0.9900 1.0000 Scale: 0.9714 16.6947 16.4700 17.5200 Add: 1.4243 16.9201 16.8500 17.0200 Triad: 1.0029 24.1945 23.9300 25.1200
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 17 Apr 1997 11:47:37 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5j52kp$kda@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <5j52cb$kda@romeo.logica.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops forgot to state where this bits came from.. http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/ Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Please remove ANTISPAM on replying via email, any junk mail will be bounced to your postmaster. Defense: Q: Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A: No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
From: Andy Champ <achamp@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:48:03 +0100 Organization: Rockwell Collins (UK) Ltd Message-ID: <33561C03.FAA@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a comment on British marketing methods that none of you have heard of the ICL DAP (distributed array processor)- now spun off to Active Memory Technologies. That had an array of 1024 bit-slice processors back before I joined them - I'd guess first built ca 1972, but I can't be sure. Problem with it was it needed a special language, a FORTRAN variant with explicit parallelism. Oh, and an ICL 2900 mainframe.. Andy
From: chk@deimos.frii.com (Christian Kuhtz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fixing a NeXT laser printer Date: 16 Apr 97 16:27:51 GMT Organization: Front Range Internet, Inc. Message-ID: <chk.861208071@deimos.frii.com> References: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> writes: >I have a NeXT level 2 laser 400 dpi laser printer that doesn't >feed paper from the paper tray correctly. The paper is grabbed >and pulled in a fraction of an inch and then stops. The NeXT >then reports that the paper is jammed in the printer. Does anyone >know of a FAQ sheet that discusses maintenance of the NeXT >laser printer, or who I can contact to get the printer fixed? I had that exact problem here a while back.. solution was easy: Went to my local office supply store and bought a pack of laser printer paper (not the stuff that's a mix between very absorbing ink jet and laser paper) and have never had problems since. Make sure that when you put paper into the cartridge, you don't bend the edges. Also, "thumbing" thru the stack sometimes helps to open the sheets a little bit. NeXTprinters appear to be very picky about the type of paper fed. Mine will not eat regular xerox paper. Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work) <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (home) Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ "Humbly speaking for myself only."
From: CJT <cjt@swbell.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:52:44 -0700 Organization: individual Message-ID: <33568D9C.490E@swbell.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <33561C03.FAA@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Andy Champ <achamp@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> Andy Champ wrote: > > It's a comment on British marketing methods that none of you have heard > of the ICL DAP (distributed array processor)- now spun off to Active > Memory Technologies. That had an array of 1024 bit-slice processors > back before I joined them - I'd guess first built ca 1972, but I can't > be sure. > Problem with it was it needed a special language, a FORTRAN variant with > explicit parallelism. Oh, and an ICL 2900 mainframe.. > > Andy Huh? Not only have I heard of it, I've actually SEEN one! But what does this have to do with any of the groups to which it's posted?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com (Jim Glidewell) Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Message-ID: <jbg-1704971332050001@192.42.11.161> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:16:11 GMT Here are my observations on the subject question/observation: Cray's vector machines are fast because: Fast clock cycle - 12.5 nanoseconds then, 2 nanoseconds now Vector registers - 64 or 128 64-bit elements each in 8 seperate vector registers Vector instructions - two vector registers can be added/multiplied/etc. with a single instruction. Multiple functional units - separate and independent functional units for vector and scalar math and logical functions. The T90 series CPUs have over a dozen such units, some with multiple pipes. Pipelining - the vector arithmetic units are pipelined. When multiplying the contents of 2 vector registers, the result of the first pair of elements takes N cycles, but subsequent results are delivered at one per cycle. Chaining - When doing a vector calculation like d[i] = a[i] * b[i] + c[i], the machine does not wait until all 64/128 vector elements of a*b are completed, but begins using the a[1]*b[1] product as soon as it is available. Large, fast real memory - fast chips, large number of banks, 64 bit word length. Cray-1 had 1 MW (8 Mbytes) of memory, T90 series supports 512 MW (or more). No cache, no virtual, just large memory with a very large memory bandwidth. Multiple CPUs - up to 32 on the T90 series. Most of these features were included in the Cray-1, introduced nearly 20 years ago. Benchmark numbers can be highly misleading. Much of the scientific and engineering tasks for which Crays are heavily used require both number crunching and fast access to a large memory space. Many processors are capable of generating a large number of MFLOPS (Millions of Floating Point Operations Per Second) when working just register to register or when working on data which can be completely contained within their cache. For the most part, these machines hit a wall immediately when the data starts overflowing cache. Cray's careful design of their memory subsystem allows effective use of the full memory space by multiple CPUs without unduly strangling processing due to memory constraints. Note that many of the above features have been adopted by both workstation and PC processors over the years (fast clock, multiple functional units, pipelining). What is remarkable is that one man was responsible for devising and/or bringing so many innovations to the marketplace in the first place. Thanks, Seymour. -- Jim Glidewell jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com My opinions only. P.S. Apologies for the wide cross-post.
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:46:49 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5j1i39$1fs@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <3353F298.C9DCCE0D@ix.netcom.com> "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes: >Bernd Meyer wrote: >> Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense >> department pays several megabucks for it ;-) >Let's hope they are prepared to spend megabucks to administer and >support it after the megabuck sale...:) Yes, of course. And guess who would have the expertise to land that support contract ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: jstevens@samoyed.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 17 Apr 1997 23:51:04 GMT Organization: USDA/NRCS Information Technology Center Message-ID: <slrn5lda69.5lo.jstevens@samoyed.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> On 11 Apr 1997 00:02:01 -0700, Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> wrote: >The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: >: But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems >: will be dead in a couple of years. >: (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that > >Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. You say this like it is the only possible architechture. What about MIMD, either synchronous or not? John S.
From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu ( George Jefferson ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:26:39 GMT Organization: Mechanical Engineering Message-ID: <5j5q0v$bh0@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <bonzo-1604971533220001@dm3-36.slc.aros.net> <33556220.584B@no.no> Originator: george@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu :He's referring to the power-off capability of the triangle button. Using :the triangle button to power on has been around, yes, and so has :choosing Shut Down from the menu to turn off the power, but using the :triangle to power off the computer hasn't been around that long. since we're all guessing about what he meant..I thought he wanted an idiot proof setup that would nicely power down even if you reach around to the power button on the back of the box. I think it would be easy enough to fabricate a cover of sorts for the switch on a lab mac if thats the point..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.unix.unixware,misc.security,sci.eng.safety From: jackson@usenix.org (Jackson Dodd) Subject: 7th USENIX Security Symposium - Call for Papers Message-ID: <E8qnzH.800@usenix.org> Keywords: USENIX, conference, security Organization: USENIX Association Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:18:53 GMT 7th USENIX Security Symposium January 26-29, 1998 Marriott Hotel - San Antonio, TX If you are a security practitioner, researcher, or programmer involved in the lastest advances in security and applications of cryptography, this conference will be of interest to you. There will be refereed papers, tutorials, BoFs, invited talks, Works-in-Progress, and panel sessions. We are seeking refereed papers on topics such as: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of malicious code * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks/machines * Computer misuse and anomaly detection * Copyright protection (technical solutions) * Cryptographic & other security tools * File and file system security * Network security * New firewall technologies * Security in heterogeneous environments * Security incident investigation and response * Security of Mobile Code * User/system authentication * World Wide Web security Paper submissions are due September 9, 1997. For more detailed information: - Visit the USENIX website at: http://www.usenix.org/sec - Read comp.org.usenix - Send email to our automatic mailserver at: info@usenix.org Your message should contain the line: "send security conferences" ================================================================= The USENIX Association brings together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of computing. Its technical conferences are the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems.
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher borden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WACOM BREAKTHROUGH !!! Date: 18 Apr 1997 02:51:07 GMT Message-ID: <5j6nir$snh@news1-alterdial.uu.net> thanks to all who've posted and emailed on my behalf, here's the updateÐ the guesswork-team flashlight beams were falling on serial cable compatibility (not "physically," since the mac cable seemed to fit fine, but "signal-protocol"-wise) on the one hand; and DIP switches on the other hand. having taken the tablet apart looking for DIP switches and found none, and having researched the RS-423 serial port compatibility in the white manuals, i decided to give wacom another call. remember that in my first call there the techie handling me had never heard of next, and pretty quickly said wacom didn't support it whatever it was, and there was nothing she could do. thanks anyway. this time a swell fellow named darrel answered and not only had he heard of next, he volunteered that one of their engineers there had a next and even wrote some of their drivers on it, and had or had had a tablet working on it too. after two weeks of groping around suddenly i had that jed clampett feeling when "up-through-the-ground-come-a-bubblin'-crude." indeed in next to no time darrel was walking me through the steps that'd get me rolling into hollywood on the wheels of grafix tablet. turns out the driver next wrote was for the old-series wacoms, and i happened to have been loaned a new-series tablet. so it was a matter of pressing a sequence of buttons on the user-friendly panel adjacent to the tablet surface, in order to simulate old-series wacom on my new series. no cobbled cabling, no DIP switch switching, just about plug-and-play. three cheers for darrel and his in-house next-man, whose name is george i think. now, perfect it ain't yet. only works in "relative" mode so far, cursor still doesn't budge in "absolute" or "digitizer" mode. also, the clicker on the side of the pen, which i'm expecting (correctly?) to act like a left mouse button, doesn't do squat. but it does work across both screens, and the pressure's very cool in tiffany2, transparency-wise i mean, and seems to work in virtuoso too (more pressure=wider stroke). btw i have a twin-headed nd turbo adb, for those who asked. had been forewarned by one of a limitation to one of the two screens in absolute mode, but i can't even get one going. so any follow-through thoughts on that, the clicker, or anything else much appreciated still. again, thanks to all who've taken an interest. chris borden cdb@precipice.com
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 01:16:26 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Development - Illinois State University, Bloomington-Normal, USA Message-ID: <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <5j3d2k$1s9k@uni.library.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit D.F. wrote: > Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you > have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where > on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the > PowerMacs have "soft" power down. None of you get it. It's about when you "PUSH" the button on the back of the unit! -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 --- MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D--Instructional Technology Development--Illinois State University "I first saw NEXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away."-Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc CEO VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
From: wam@zoo.bt.co.uk (Wayne Morrison) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:39:46 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Message-ID: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I set up Terminal.app so that I can shuffle through the command history list with the Cursor keys (or at least with a Ctrl-Cursor modifier) as opposed to using: ^P move up through history ^N move down through history ^B move left along the current command ^F move right along the current command I saw something on the FAQ that used emacs macros but was unable to get it to work. I've also set up my keymapping for the cursors but Terminal.app refuses to recognise the cursor press. Thanks for any help, Wayne
From: Big Mad Drongo <A.G.Jackson@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:54:33 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK Message-ID: <335752E9.55A5@housman.dur.ac.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Saunders wrote: > : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that > : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not > > StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be > minimal. Forget it! StrongARM development is pitiful? Forget it? OH NO! DISASTER! EMERGENCY! Right, first things first. Somebody get onto Microsoft and tell them they shouldn't have ported WinCE to it. And you - yes, you - get over to Sun and let them know it wasn't worth porting JavaOS. Let's see now - someone rush down to Digital and tell them they shouldn't have bothered with that NC reference platform. No, I don't care how far it is. Run! And you, go and tell Oracle their NC reference platform is useless as well. Quickly now. AAAARGH! ALMOST FORGOT! You - drop whatever it is you're doing and go round Phillips, National Semiconductors, Motorola, Lucent Technologies, Cirrus and everyone else on this list and tell them to get rid of their ARM licenses, or not buy the ones they were planning on buying. StrongARM development is pitiful, you see. And they're to forget it. Glenn Saunders said it, so it must be true. > : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised > : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). > > All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the > global mainstream computer industry. Such as the trend towards thin clients rather than expensive and difficult-to-maintain desktop machines? Oh look! It just so happens that ART is a bit of an innovator in that field. The trend towards powerful set top boxes for satellite/cable providers? Well knock me down with a feather, just look who's ahead of everyone else in that as well! > Acorn is a blip in computer history > and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine > than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is > dead. In terms of unit sales, Turing sold less machines than Panasonic sold 3DO's. Does this mean you consider Turing to be a blip in computer history? Adrian
From: rdogra@nowhere.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 18 Apr 1997 12:53:21 GMT Organization: Internet MCI Message-ID: <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wam@zoo.bt.co.uk (Wayne Morrison) wrote: > > >How do I set up Terminal.app so that I can shuffle through the command >history list with the Cursor keys (or at least with a Ctrl-Cursor modifier) >as opposed to using: >^P move up through history >^N move down through history >^B move left along the current command >^F move right along the current command > >I saw something on the FAQ that used emacs macros but was unable to get it to >work. I've also set up my keymapping for the cursors but Terminal.app refuses >to recognise the cursor press. > >Thanks for any help, > > Wayne Hi From man page of csh: . . . HOW TO ENABLE THE EXTENDED C-SHELL FEATURES To enable the extended C-Shell features, put the line: set editmode = emacs in the .cshrc file in your home directory. If you don't have such a file, create one and add the line to the end. Log out and log in again and you will be using the new shell. . . . Rajnish
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:38:08 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970418043509.4982C-100000@kira> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> > How do I set up Terminal.app so that I can shuffle through the command > history list with the Cursor keys (or at least with a Ctrl-Cursor modifier) > as opposed to using: > ^P move up through history > ^N move down through history > ^B move left along the current command > ^F move right along the current command 1) read the document I just emailed you about what group (note the SINGULAR tense) you should have posted this to 2) change your shell from csh (which I assume you are using) to something more usable, such as zsh, which can do all this and much more. TjL, going against his better judgment by answering a crossposted non-critical message -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Questions asked in crossposted messages should not be answered. Read http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html
From: wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PDF on NextStep 3.2 Date: 18 Apr 1997 15:32:57 GMT Organization: Yale University Message-ID: <5j8479$cju@news.ycc.yale.edu> Hi, I hope this question hasn't been asked too often, is there a (preferably free) PDF viewer that works on NextStep 3.2 on black hardware? My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed on my 3.2). Any advice appreciated. Thanks, Michael Ibrahim wasfy@minerva.cis.yale.edu
From: connorbd@cleo.bc.edu (Brian Connors) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: 18 Apr 1997 16:21:01 GMT Organization: db&b Message-ID: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Here's how I see it: Larry Ellison's vision for Apple is doomed to failure one way or another. If he succeeds, he destroys the Mac (and don't tell me ramming the NC down everybody's throat won't do that), and probably destroys the company trying to push a product that him and maybe three other people believe in. If he fails, he might wind up hurting his own reputation. Does anyone out there a) agree with me that Ellison's threatened hostile takeover would be a Bad Thing for all involved and b) have his email address so we can make some sort of informal petition to shut the hell up? And if you disagree with me, why? I do know this: I've already seen my platform loyalty brutally tested this year by the layoffs, and after it was all over I found that what was left was something I could have some confidence in. If Larry Ellison takes over and does what he says he's going to, he's lost Apple a customer (and the Mac a user from the day I can afford a system that will run BeOS). To hell with the Network Computer. So far all I've seen of it is talk, and I am not particularly interested in having my Mac replaced by a dumb terminal. Besides, Apple's already tried it, and it didn't work. What makes Ellison think he can do it? /Coach
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fugue@nospam.ccp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2 In-Reply-To: wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu's message of 18 Apr 1997 15:32:57 GMT Message-ID: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <5j8479$cju@news.ycc.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:38:40 GMT wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) said: > > Hi, > > I hope this question hasn't been asked too often, is there a (preferably > free) PDF viewer that works on NextStep 3.2 on black hardware? > > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > on my 3.2). > > Any advice appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Michael Ibrahim > wasfy@minerva.cis.yale.edu > I run it on 3.2 no problem, after installing the 3.3 patch available on the next web site. -- fugue "The police used to watch over the people. Now they're watching the people."
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 18 Apr 1997 19:23:27 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison Message-ID: <5j8hnf$4ns4@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> Cc: rdogra@nowhere.com,wam@zoo.bt.co.uk In <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> rdogra@nowhere.com wrote: > HOW TO ENABLE THE EXTENDED C-SHELL FEATURES > To enable the extended C-Shell features, put the line: > > set editmode = emacs > > in the .cshrc file in your home directory. If you don't > have such a file, create one and add the line to the end. > Log out and log in again and you will be using the new > shell. > > Rajnish > This doesn't enable the arrow keys (or at least I've never been able to get it to do so). The easiest way I've found to get arrow keys (and lot's of other neat features) is intsalling Bash. There is a pre-compiled binary for it at ftp.next.peak.org. Good luck. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://smithlab.chem.wisc.edu/PersonalPages/giddings/giddings.html http://www.barbarian.com
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fixing a NeXT laser printer Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:55:03 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970415175351.5568A-100000@kira> References: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> This may help http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator for PEAK Personal NeXT Page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ PEAK NeXT FTP: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ PEAK Web Access: http://www.peak.org/next/
From: Stewart Goldwater <AuH2O@argonet.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:34:16 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Distribution: world Message-ID: <na.52eae0477c.a60150AuH2O@argonet.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <335752E9.55A5@housman.dur.ac.uk> In article <335752E9.55A5@housman.dur.ac.uk>, Big Mad Drongo <A.G.Jackson@durham.ac.uk> wrote: > . . . . . . Such as the trend towards thin clients . . . I'm a thin client but in the last couple of years I've put on a few pounds round my belly. -- Running on an Acorn RISC PC Technical Author for hire! Stewart Goldwater AuH2O@argonet.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fixing a NeXT laser printer References: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> <chk.861208071@deimos.frii.com> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <3357cea4.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 18 Apr 97 19:42:28 GMT In article <chk.861208071@deimos.frii.com>, Christian Kuhtz <chk@deimos.frii.com> wrote: >"Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> writes: > >>I have a NeXT level 2 laser 400 dpi laser printer that doesn't >>feed paper from the paper tray correctly. The paper is grabbed >>and pulled in a fraction of an inch and then stops. The NeXT >>then reports that the paper is jammed in the printer. Does anyone >>know of a FAQ sheet that discusses maintenance of the NeXT >>laser printer, or who I can contact to get the printer fixed? > >I had that exact problem here a while back.. solution was easy: > >Went to my local office supply store and bought a pack of laser >printer paper (not the stuff that's a mix between very absorbing >ink jet and laser paper) and have never had problems since. > >Make sure that when you put paper into the cartridge, you don't >bend the edges. Also, "thumbing" thru the stack sometimes helps >to open the sheets a little bit. > >NeXTprinters appear to be very picky about the type of paper fed. Mine >will not eat regular xerox paper. > >Cheers, >Chris > >-- >Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work) <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (home) >Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ "Humbly speaking for myself only." It is very likely that the rubber input roller is oxidised to the point where it is not sticky enough to be reliable. Changing the type of paper used and being fanatical about inserting the tray can temporarily help to feed paper in this case, but the real solution is to do something about the cause of the problem. I have fixed two NeXT Laser Printers that were suffering from this problem by taking the input feed apart (be sure you have the necessary skills or you may do more harm than good) and reversing the rubber jacket on the big input feed roller. The inside (having been protected) was in "as new" condition and restored reliable feeding. You can get helpful information from: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html (thanks Timothy for this valuable service) Hope this works for you. david --- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: 18 Apr 1997 22:40:12 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5j8t8c$9di$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Cc: connorbd@cleo.bc.edu In <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Brian Connors wrote: > Here's how I see it: Larry Ellison's vision for Apple is doomed to failure > one way or another. If he succeeds, he destroys the Mac (and don't tell me > ramming the NC down everybody's throat won't do that), and probably > destroys the company trying to push a product that him and maybe three > other people believe in. If he fails, he might wind up hurting his own > reputation. > > Does anyone out there a) agree with me that Ellison's threatened hostile > takeover would be a Bad Thing for all involved and b) have his email > address so we can make some sort of informal petition to shut the hell up? > > And if you disagree with me, why? > > I do know this: I've already seen my platform loyalty brutally tested this > year by the layoffs, and after it was all over I found that what was left > was something I could have some confidence in. If Larry Ellison takes over > and does what he says he's going to, he's lost Apple a customer (and the > Mac a user from the day I can afford a system that will run BeOS). > > To hell with the Network Computer. So far all I've seen of it is talk, and > I am not particularly interested in having my Mac replaced by a dumb > terminal. Besides, Apple's already tried it, and it didn't work. What > makes Ellison think he can do it? Well, I think in general I have a feeling of agreement -- I don't want to see Larry Ellison take over Apple, nor do I want him to be in charge of my pet platform (Nextstep/Openstep/Rhapsody). But I think I have different reasons, some of which may seem strange compared to earlier posts on my part. Larry's main thing about the NC is that he finds it "offensive" (I think he used similar language) to have to go down to the store and buy cardboard and take it home and copy bits onto his computer just to use software (up til this point, I sort of agree with him). He went on to describe NCs that were like dumb-terminals that have graphics and java capability, and do everything from there.. and that I don't agree with. Fortunately he doesn't seem to really agree with that either. But in general I was unimpressed with his personality. He's not interested in open software any more than Bill Gates is, he just wants to fight Bill. He'd rather be king of the hill, that's all. And I find this objectionable. It's not that I think Microsoft's offerings are better than Oracles.. I just find it distasteful to trade one dictator for another. And I'm against anything I back being used for that purpose. Now, do I find his particular NC design bad? not really. I think a useful appliance that scales up to a low end workstation is necessary to the future of computing. As long as I can store my data and apps locally if I want to (ie. so that my privacy is guaranteed), I don't care how smart or dumb the local box is for low end users. I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again now -- the low end of contemporary computing (ie. what it takes to effeciently run shringwrapped software that is on the counters today) should not be $1500 to $2500 (which is historically where it is). It should be accessable to those whose budgets are comparable to the video game console (which is one of the reasons I was so glad to see the Sega Saturn NC add-on) -- $200 - $400ish. Hence the concept of a data/information appliance. I think it's exceptionally cool that he wants to market it as a Rhapsody-station. But I don't think it should be done at the expense of midrange and high end workstations/home-computers.. meaning I don't think Apple/NeXT should be turned into an NC factory. Maybe the low end machines that Apple cranks out should be NC boxes, but they should still turn out laptops, midrange desktops, and high end servers and render machines. I think the only place I disagree with his design is that, again, it appears to be entirley closed. The app server will be NT. Not "a generic software package you can run on anything from Linux, win95, Rhapsody, NT, or MVS". And I think that's bad/wrong. And again, while I see his desire to toot his own horn, defining that the the data engine be Oracle is again a bad thing. Not bad for Oracle, not necesarily bad for performance, but bad for the freedom of the user and 3rd party developer. I would prefer to see a more open design. (well, frankly, as you can tell from my email address, I'd prefer to see a non-proprietary design -- but I doubt THAT is going to happen ;-) So, do I think his NC plan is going to kill Apple? Not really.. it could use some polishing and some fewer closed doors, but it could work. It's a good "first draft." Do I think he will save Apple if he buys it? No, I don't. If Apple is to be saved, it will be saved by the people who are currently there, and the technologies they currently own. Even if his plan kept Apple alive, it wouldn't be the Apple we know and love today. And last, even if he were to suceed, I don't know that I'd rather have a Big Brother named Larry instead of a Big Brother named Bill. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: "Gordon" <G.Boddington@ConnRiver.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Date: 18 Apr 1997 18:51:46 GMT Organization: North Country Internet Access Message-ID: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good price with user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 developer. I was wondering if there was a large difference between them and if there would be a software compatability issue. Gordon
From: wonko@rtfm.wonko.net (Wonko the Sane @ ~) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 19 Apr 1997 01:56:23 GMT Organization: InfiNet Message-ID: <slrn5lgcci.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net> In article <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net>, Kalico wrote: > >SGI used the R10,000 ( the almost named T-5 chip ) which runs *just* under >1 BIP. Is that chip obsolete yet? far from obsolete, in fact, it's still way out of my price range!!! :) -brian -- The fundamental difference between Unix and the Macintosh operating system is that Unix was designed to please programmers, whereas the Mac was designed to please users. (Windows, on the other hand, was designed to please accountants, but that's another story.) --The UNIX-HATERS Handbook === End Transmission ===
From: wonko@rtfm.wonko.net (Wonko the Sane @ ~) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 19 Apr 1997 01:51:28 GMT Organization: InfiNet Message-ID: <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel wrote: >Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: > >>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. > >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >mean that, at any rate. >Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >do that if it weren't worthwhile. SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. >For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these >32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use >of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) >memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. this is similar to what the 128CPU SGI machines do. an R10000 can have up to 2MB of cache RAM (really super-duper fast ram) and 4G of shared RAM (slower DRAM speeds) that is what made those things so impressive. that is also what made them cost more than all of us combined could afford. >But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision >and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then >market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- >processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real >life. if i could buy a 10 CPU StrongARM (with FP Units of course) machine for the price of a PPro, you can bet your ass i'd buy the 10 CPU StrongARM machine. i've been in the UNIX world for a very long time, and just about every single UNIX vendor favors multiple slower CPUs over one really fast CPU. the reason is obvious, no matter how big and bad your CPU is it can only do so much. 4 slower CPUs will be able to crunch through more since you aren't limited to one set of clock cycles crunching your data. if there is a 10 CPU StrongARM machine for around what a killer PPro (or even dual PPro) systems sells for i will buy it. i'd probably buy two. -brian -- The fundamental difference between Unix and the Macintosh operating system is that Unix was designed to please programmers, whereas the Mac was designed to please users. (Windows, on the other hand, was designed to please accountants, but that's another story.) --The UNIX-HATERS Handbook === End Transmission ===
From: mbowen@panix.com (m bowen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 03:27:29 GMT Organization: boohab's factotum Message-ID: <5j9du8$qg7@camel7.mindspring.com> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> <5j8t8c$9di$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> In article <5j8t8c$9di$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>, jrudd@cygnus.com wrote: | |Well, I think in general I have a feeling of agreement -- I don't want to see |Larry Ellison take over Apple, nor do I want him to be in charge of my pet |platform (Nextstep/Openstep/Rhapsody). But I think I have different reasons, |some of which may seem strange compared to earlier posts on my part. | |Larry's main thing about the NC is that he finds it "offensive" (I think he |used similar language) to have to go down to the store and buy cardboard and |take it home and copy bits onto his computer just to use software (up til |this point, I sort of agree with him). He went on to describe NCs that were |like dumb-terminals that have graphics and java capability, and do everything |from there.. and that I don't agree with. Fortunately he doesn't seem to |really agree with that either. | |But in general I was unimpressed with his personality. He's not interested |in open software any more than Bill Gates is, he just wants to fight Bill. |He'd rather be king of the hill, that's all. And I find this objectionable. |It's not that I think Microsoft's offerings are better than Oracles.. I just |find it distasteful to trade one dictator for another. And I'm against |anything I back being used for that purpose. | this is absolutely true about ellison, but it's not entirely a bad thing. even though it hurts to think that ellison would be running apple, you can have cofindence that he wouldn't run it into the ground. ellison has a knack for attracting a)ultra-competitive people b)big respect from big companies c)fear and loathing from competitors. ellison's problem is that given that, he can sell vapor. so the question boils down to whether or not apple engineers can actually build an attractive NC. (and believe me, if it's attractive enough ellison will not sell it cheap). |Now, do I find his particular NC design bad? not really. I think a useful |appliance that scales up to a low end workstation is necessary to the future |of computing. As long as I can store my data and apps locally if I want to |(ie. so that my privacy is guaranteed), I don't care how smart or dumb the |local box is for low end users. I've said it before, and I'm going to say it |again now -- the low end of contemporary computing (ie. what it takes to |effeciently run shringwrapped software that is on the counters today) should |not be $1500 to $2500 (which is historically where it is). It should be |accessable to those whose budgets are comparable to the video game console |(which is one of the reasons I was so glad to see the Sega Saturn NC add-on) |-- $200 - $400ish. Hence the concept of a data/information appliance. i'm not so certain that the NC would remain so very low end. conceptually, what is a thin client? in the corporate world, thin client is high powered graphics, network stacks, java virtual machine, and security. assuming everything runs on local memory for non-refreshed query objects, you probably are running a good deal of memory. networks are still the bottleneck, and always will be, so servers are not going to be designed push a whole lot down the pipe (more than say 5MB). so i'm thinking you have at least 32MB on a standard NC. hmmm. does an NC need a fast bus? i also can't imagine that NCs would remain always standalone into the home market. why not bundle media servers in the settop paradigm? you buy a cd-rom changer that plays audio cds. hook that into 10baseT for your home LAN and out the window to DSS dish or a cable modem. that gives your NC the flexibility to play networked interactive games or cd-roms. there's just so many ways to go, i can't see why apple wants to do nothing more than make PCs. | |I think it's exceptionally cool that he wants to market it as a |Rhapsody-station. But I don't think it should be done at the expense of |midrange and high end workstations/home-computers.. meaning I don't think |Apple/NeXT should be turned into an NC factory. Maybe the low end machines |that Apple cranks out should be NC boxes, but they should still turn out |laptops, midrange desktops, and high end servers and render machines. high end yes. midrange no. if the macOS survives another 2 years, market penetration of mac clones will make people think twice about buying macs. | |I think the only place I disagree with his design is that, again, it appears |to be entirley closed. The app server will be NT. Not "a generic software |package you can run on anything from Linux, win95, Rhapsody, NT, or MVS". |And I think that's bad/wrong. And again, while I see his desire to toot his |own horn, defining that the the data engine be Oracle is again a bad thing. |Not bad for Oracle, not necesarily bad for performance, but bad for the |freedom of the user and 3rd party developer. I would prefer to see a more |open design. (well, frankly, as you can tell from my email address, I'd |prefer to see a non-proprietary design -- but I doubt THAT is going to happen |;-) | oracle, unfortunately, has satisfied a hell of a lot of 3rd party developers. powersoft, visual basic, intersolv and sql windows would be nowhere without oracle. (otoh, now that sybase ate it, powersoft is nowhere). and the sad fact of the matter is that oracle doesn't need to be open because of its dominance as a database in the market. the size and volume of deals oracle can swing upmarket is phenomenal. i kid you not when i tell you that IS departments make huge hardware and OS decisions based on which combinations run oracle the fastest. 3rd parties will follow oracle anywhere, even though oracle's APIs are the absolute pits, when they exist at all. |So, do I think his NC plan is going to kill Apple? Not really.. it could use |some polishing and some fewer closed doors, but it could work. It's a good |"first draft." Do I think he will save Apple if he buys it? No, I don't. |If Apple is to be saved, it will be saved by the people who are currently |there, and the technologies they currently own. Even if his plan kept Apple |alive, it wouldn't be the Apple we know and love today. it would be an apple with bite. an apple with corporate credibility. imagine that! what i think ellison realizes is that oracle universal server is going to be an ungodly hodgepodge nightmare that will require huge investments on the backend if its going to serve enterprises blobs and god knows what else. what he needs desparately is a very nice client and network architechture which can retail everything he wants to sell. and he wants to own a piece of something all third party developers would need to license. and he knows oracle corp. would never deliver on the front end - they are going to spend the next 5 years integrating their back ends. NC is a big piece of the puzzle. i beleive larry ellison views rhapsody as the ultimate front-end. plus he's read too much negroponte. | | |And last, even if he were to suceed, I don't know that I'd rather have a Big |Brother named Larry instead of a Big Brother named Bill. | believe me, you wouldn't. i don't think bill likes to fire people. but hey, apple, it's not 1984 anymore. i think if we all stopped thinking like hackers and developers (who are always going to have our own data centers at home anyway) we might see some beauty here.
From: st942593@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (cpt kangarooski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:03:06 -0400 Organization: Brandeis University, Waltham MA Message-ID: <st942593-1904970103060001@129.64.115.26> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <5j3d2k$1s9k@uni.library.ucla.edu> <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In article <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu wrote: #D.F. wrote: #> Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you #> have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where #> on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the #> PowerMacs have "soft" power down. # #None of you get it. # #It's about when you "PUSH" the button on the back of the unit! but its a GOOD thing to have a hard power switch in case you're in disagreement with the computer. but the switch used under normal circumstances should be the soft power key on the keyboard. i'd hate to live without the both of them. (besides, none of the current desktops from apple have hard power on the back - it's on the front now... maybe not that good a thing) -cpt kangarooski -st942593@pip.cc.brandeis.edu -<*>
From: apuleius@ix.netcom.com (William Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 03:09:09 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <33582ccf.6576135@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> On 18 Apr 1997 16:21:01 GMT, connorbd@cleo.bc.edu (Brian Connors) wrote: > >Does anyone out there a) agree with me that Ellison's threatened hostile >takeover would be a Bad Thing for all involved > Larry Ellison could proclaim his intent to buy Apple and turn the niternational sales force into a white-slavery ring with the express goal of kidnapping Mother Teresa for his personal brothel and you know what ? It would still bore the hell out of me. As a former developer and designer of NEXTSTEP and OpenStep software, let me proudly proclaim that I simply do not give a f*** about the ongoing saga. Cheers, Andy
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Graphics Tablet Installation Date: 6 Apr 1997 02:34:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970406023400.VAA17741@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5i4mq1$8ko@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Wacom was very helpful when I was trying to install a Wacom ArtZ (not that I ever had any luck--never had the time to get back with them on it). Try their web site, and submitting a tech support e-mail request. I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised, as was I. It's really great that a company can make such wonderful products and stand behind them so completely. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
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From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:19:36 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). So the following questions came up? 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? Any pointers will be highly appreciated! Thanks everybody --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:46:35 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5insmr$1sr@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> wrote: > Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? > > TIA. It comes with the operating system, or at least it used to. In NS-3.x it was in: /NextDeveloper/Demos/NeXTtv.app --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: punzi@nwlink.com (Robin N. Werner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: [Q] Dual boot of Linux and OPENSTEP Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:14:56 -0700 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <punzi-ya023580001904971114560001@news.nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: Linux Openstep dual-boot lilo Hello, I have Openstep 4.1 running on white hardware, and I would like to configure the machine to also run Linux. Furthermore, I would like to use Lilo as the boot loader. Has anyone successfully produced such a configuration? If so, would you be willing to share your lilo.conf for booting the machine? Any additional experiences you could share would be a great help. Thus far, I have found information regarding dual booting similar configurations, but never using Lilo. NeXTanswers does mention that this is possible, but the actual configuration is not provided. I have also searched FAQ's at Stepwise and peak.org, but their answer's utilized OS/2's boot-loader. Prior to obtaining Openstep I was running Linux on this machine so I am familiar with the basics of configuring a Linux host and Lilo. As a new Openstep user, I do not wish to destroy it when I reinstall Linux and overwrite the existing master boot-record. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Robin Robin N. Werner punzi@nwlink.com
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <15479860904022@digifix.com> Date: 20 Apr 1997 03:59:34 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <26385861508830@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. 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From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5jboad$8p1@news.netusa1.net> Date: 20 Apr 1997 03:37:07 GMT Control: cancel <5jboad$8p1@news.netusa1.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5jboad$8p1@news.netusa1.net> Sender: <glucas@netusa1.net> Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2 Date: 19 Apr 1997 23:24:55 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5jbk87$2fq$1@wwwproxy.seicom.net> References: <5j8479$cju@news.ycc.yale.edu> wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) wrote: > Hi, > I hope this question hasn't been asked too often, is there a (preferably > free) PDF viewer that works on NextStep 3.2 on black hardware? > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > on my 3.2). Look on ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Text/apps for 'PDFViewer' or 'PDFView'. As far as I know both run on 3.2. --- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Message-ID: <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:49:57 GMT In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> fugue@nospam.ccp.uchicago.edu writes: > wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) said: > > > > > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > > on my 3.2). > > > > I run it on 3.2 no problem, after installing the 3.3 patch available on > the next web site. > But you cannot read the Apple PDF's with it!! I just downloaded the QuickTime FAQ from Apple in PDF format. When I tried to read it with OmniPDF it came with a message: "This documentation is encrypted with Adobe's proprietary encryption algorithm. You must use the Adobe reader". Why is Apple doing this? Doesn't make sense to me. hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
From: "Wes Spears" <jspears@weston.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help regarding Modem Cable for a 040 Cube Date: 20 Apr 1997 16:32:59 GMT Organization: The Weston Group Message-ID: <01bc4da8$d497e4a0$115a68ce@jspears.onramp.net> If you have one or know where I can pick one up, please let me know. Thanks Wes jspears@weston.com
From: J.A.Hammerton@cs.bham.ac.uk (James A Hammerton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Date: 20 Apr 1997 18:23:12 GMT Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, U.K. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jdmug$mpd@percy.cs.bham.ac.uk> References: <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Glenn Saunders (krishna@primenet.com) wrote: : The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: : : But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems : : will be dead in a couple of years. : : (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that : Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to : use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about : 4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. On what grounds do you base this assertion? I know of several machines containing hundreds of processors (e.g. Cray T3D), and have worked on one containing 16384 processors (the Connection Machine). The problem you mention (bottlenecks arising due to all CPUs trying to access main memory simultanouesly) does pose certain restrictions on the organisation of your processors, but it is assuredly still worthwhile going beyond 4 CPUs. You might not always get N times speed up for N processors, but you will get improvements. It's all down to how you organise the communication between the CPUs, and the access to main memory. : : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that : : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not : StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be : minimal. Forget it! Microsoft have ported Windows CE to it. Java & JavaOS are available for it (indeed it got the highest recored scores on the Java benchmarks a few months back). It is being used in several Network Computers, and the latest version of the Apple Newton. And then of course Acorn are using it in their machines. This doesn't suggest to me that there's going to be no software for it. : : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised : : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). : All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the : global mainstream computer industry. Acorn is a blip in computer history : and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine : than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is : dead. Well Acorn have got deals with Oracle for NCs and BSkyB for interactive TV. They have the cheapest NCs available so far, and with NCs having a proprietry OS doesn't matter so long as you can run Java (and you can). They probably aren't going to take over the world, but they do seem set to prosper, and if they establish the first mass produced parallel processing personal computers they will surely benefit from the links they've forged. Of course I may be forgetting Acorn's capacity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and Wintel's capacity to muscle in on any market they choose. Even so Acorn will probably hold onto their niche (and develop some new ones) for some time to come. James -- James Hammerton, Research Student, School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham | Home Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/ Connectionist NLP WWW Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/CNLP/cnlp.html
From: J.A.Hammerton@cs.bham.ac.uk (James A Hammerton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Date: 20 Apr 1997 18:31:04 GMT Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, U.K. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jdnd8$mpd@percy.cs.bham.ac.uk> References: <5ivv6s$3du@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Andreas Dehmel (dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE) wrote: [snip] : If we were all following mainstream we'd all have Wintel boxes on our : desks. It's important to try new things. Parallel processing is not new, : but parallel processing for the home user is. Same as when Acorn built : the first Arc RISC wasn't new but RISC for the home user was. : Sadly it still was 7 years later when Apple claimed to have been the first : to do it... Acorn's complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK regarding this claim was upheld AIUI. James -- James Hammerton, Research Student, School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham | Home Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/ Connectionist NLP WWW Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/CNLP/cnlp.html
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Network settings using NAT Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:26:56 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <335A7C10.3C55@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to connect to my ISP using an Ascend Pipeline 25 Px router with OPENSTEP 4.0/Intel. The ISP has assigned me one static IP address along with a registered domain name. The Ascend directions say that in order for NAT to work correctly, all of the dotted quads in the IP address must be above 100, and further, to assign the computer an address one number next to it so that the router sees it as being on the same network. Since one of the dotted quads of the address that my ISP assigned me is below 100, I assigned my router a dummy address of 100.100.100.100. Using SimpleNetworkStarter, in section 1, I checked the third box 'Provide the services specified below'. In section 2, I set the IP address to 100.100.100.101. And under [Network Options...], I set the -Router- to the address of my router 100.100.100.100, set -Netmask- to 255.0.0.0, set -NIS Domain Name- to my registered domain name, and set -Broadcast Address- to 100.255.255.255. I then attached the ethernet wire when the prompt told me to. However I am not able to get the computer to make a connection to the network. Afterwards, I accessed the router directly using Kermit and dialed into my ISP manually. When I set the router's IP address to the dummy number, it would connect with my ISP for about five seconds then terminate. However if I set the address to the number that they assigned me, the connection would stay up - but I can't use NAT with this IP address. Are the above settings correct? And does anyone know how I can get this working? --gh
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:13:59 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121318.12895F-100000@kira> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Brian Connors <connorbd@cleo.bc.edu> In-Reply-To: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Why don't you ask how we feel about people who post offtopic posts to csn.misc?
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:18:44 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121641.12895J-100000@kira> References: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Gordon <G.Boddington@ConnRiver.net> In-Reply-To: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> > I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good price with > user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 developer. I was wondering if > there was a large difference between them and if there would be a software > compatability issue. There is a huge difference. I doubt that 3.0 dev will work with 3.3 user. I could be wrong, but I doubt it TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Questions asked in crossposted messages should not be answered. Read http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:06:55 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII csn.misc is the most abused group in csn.* (with the exception of csn.advocasy, perhaps, but everyone expects it there). Cross posts and offtopic posts abound. Every Apple move is now reported to csn.misc. Many of us don't really care what Apple does or what people speulate they will do. Once Rhapsody comes out, csn.misc will be abused as a discussion forum until Rhapsody-specific groups are formed. I suggest that we take action now to keep csn.misc ontopic, as a group for these posts only: comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! [taken from http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html] By filtering out Apple/Rhapsody stuff and crossposted csn.* messages alone we can dramatically decrease the noise level, and keep it on topic. In the past 5 months we have had hundreds of posts speculating on what Rhapsody will include, what it will leave out, why Apple is superior to NeXT in all things, why GX is superior to DSP, microkernel stuff, parallel stuff, Amiga stuff (who gives a ), and a whole host of offtopic stuff. There are also folks who just don't know what 'next.misc' means and think they can post generic computer questions here, or job postings, or whatever else. I would be willing to moderate (making no restrictions other than it be about NeXT/OpenStep, doesn't fit anywhere else, and isn't crossposted) and I would be willing to let someone else if a better choice is found. I'd also be willing to tally the votes should it come to that. What do you think? Please followup to newsgroup, but can also cc me if you wish. Thanks for your time, TjL
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Date: 20 Apr 1997 22:23:21 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5je50p$vak@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) writes: >In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> >I just downloaded the QuickTime FAQ from Apple in PDF format. When I tried >to read it with OmniPDF it came with a message: "This documentation is >encrypted with Adobe's proprietary encryption algorithm. You must use the >Adobe reader". Why is Apple doing this? Doesn't make sense to me. >hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl Well, the proprietary encryption is develop by adobe not apple. kai
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: 20 Apr 1997 22:31:47 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5je5gj$g7l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma (luomat@peak.org) wrote: : Cross posts and offtopic posts abound. Every Apple move is now reported : to csn.misc. Many of us don't really care what Apple does or what people : speulate they will do. of course except for Apple's annoucement to market slab/cube motherboard upgrades;-) : Once Rhapsody comes out, csn.misc will be abused as a discussion forum : until Rhapsody-specific groups are formed. : By filtering out Apple/Rhapsody stuff and crossposted csn.* messages alone : we can dramatically decrease the noise level, and keep it on topic. maybe to be less restrictive maybe we just filter for stuff that is cross posted? : In the past 5 months we have had hundreds of posts speculating on what : Rhapsody will include, what it will leave out, why Apple is superior to : NeXT in all things, why GX is superior to DSP, microkernel stuff, parallel : stuff, Amiga stuff (who gives a ), and a whole host of offtopic stuff. : There are also folks who just don't know what 'next.misc' means and think : they can post generic computer questions here, or job postings, or : whatever else. have to admit I haven't see this kind of traffice in the next groups for a while;-) Godwin
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From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Date: 21 Apr 1997 03:37:55 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5jenej$65b$1@news.digifix.com> References: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> <5je50p$vak@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> In-Reply-To: <5je50p$vak@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> On 04/20/97, Kai S. Wong wrote: >hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) writes: > >>In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> >>I just downloaded the QuickTime FAQ from Apple in PDF format. When I tried >>to read it with OmniPDF it came with a message: "This documentation is >>encrypted with Adobe's proprietary encryption algorithm. You must use the >>Adobe reader". Why is Apple doing this? Doesn't make sense to me. > >>hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl > >Well, the proprietary encryption is develop by adobe not apple. > > The question is why is Apple bothering to encrypt the documents. The answer I expect has something to do with others editing the PDF or fonts or some such. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: [Q] Dual boot of Linux and OPENSTEP Date: 20 Apr 1997 17:25:22 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5jdji2$pd7@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <punzi-ya023580001904971114560001@news.nwlink.com> Keywords: Linux Openstep dual-boot lilo punzi@nwlink.com (Robin N. Werner) writes: >Hello, > I have Openstep 4.1 running on white hardware, and I would like to >configure the machine to also run Linux. Furthermore, I would like to use >Lilo as the boot loader. > Has anyone successfully produced such a configuration? If so, would >you be willing to share your lilo.conf for booting the machine? Any >additional experiences you could share would be a great help. > Thus far, I have found information regarding dual booting similar >configurations, but never using Lilo. NeXTanswers does mention that this is >possible, but the actual configuration is not provided. I have also >searched FAQ's at Stepwise and peak.org, but their answer's utilized OS/2's >boot-loader. > Prior to obtaining Openstep I was running Linux on this machine so I >am familiar with the basics of configuring a Linux host and Lilo. As a new >Openstep user, I do not wish to destroy it when I reinstall Linux and >overwrite the existing master boot-record. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks! > -Robin >Robin N. Werner >punzi@nwlink.com Yes, it work but one thing to remember is the OPENSTEP only boot from 1st HD (NeXT disk utility suck). below is a sample config. lilo.conf boot=/dev/sda # put your lilo in the MBR root=/dev/sda1 # your linux root device . . other=/dev/sda3 label=openstep -- Software Engineer email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/ PGP fingerprint <1B 67 F5 6C C4 44 4F 87 52 F7 61 C7 8E D0 36 40> finger kwong@plato.ucs.mun.ca to get PGP public key.
From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 21 Apr 1997 10:29:01 GMT Organization: [posted via] Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> In article <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) writes: > > When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not > realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. > > I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I > am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). > > So the following questions came up? > > 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? > 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? > 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release > notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? > > Any pointers will be highly appreciated! > > Thanks everybody > > --john John, a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading 3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail welcome_________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University | G i b D O S | Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group | k e i n e |
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From: Ling Wang <wang_ling@jpmorgan.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:51:17 -0400 Organization: JP Morgan Message-ID: <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > > > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. > > > > The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 > > KFLOPS level. > > Stephen, > > Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:41:35 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Michopoulos wrote: > > 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? no, 4.2 will be out soon. > What does it (4.1) contain more than 4.0? it contains less (bugs) > 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? yes, 4.2 will be the final release before Rhapsody, which is able to run OpenStep and NEXTStep Apps. Rhapsody will run OpenStep and Mac Apps, no more NeXTStep Apps. (Or have anybody out there another information) > 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release > notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? If your machine is in a NIS Cluster, have a look at the ReleaseNotes of looupd. Still lookupd is buggy (netgroups) in 4.1 and will be fixed in 4.2. Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Date: 21 Apr 1997 11:38:36 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jfjjs$i4l$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> In article <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) writes: > In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> > fugue@nospam.ccp.uchicago.edu writes: > > > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > > > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > > > on my 3.2). > > I run it on 3.2 no problem, after installing the 3.3 patch available on > > the next web site. I think you would need the "FoundationKit" Patch, not the "3.3" patch. The 3.3patch is not suitable for NS 3.2. > But you cannot read the Apple PDF's with it!! You need a PDF viewer with decryption capabilities. E.g., you could get PDFViewer (from the usual archives for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep) and then download ftp://ftphost.uni-koblenz.de/outgoing/People/droege/Standard.pdfcrypt.tar.gz Put that bundle into the .app wrapper and it should work, even on 3.2 (no FoundationKit patch needed) Disclaimer: I wrote PDFViewer and that bundle. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Emil: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Date: 21 Apr 1997 16:16:39 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5jg3t7$kmp@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> "Gordon" <G.Boddington@ConnRiver.net> wrote: >I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good price with >user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 developer. I was wondering if >there was a large difference between them and if there would be a software >compatability issue. Compatibility is an issue for some things, but the other improvements are enough to sway most people. I run 3.3 on my machines (including the one here in my office). We (the department) run 3.0 on our lab machines and they drive me crazy. Here are a few things that are different: 3.3 runs faster on black '040 hardware. 3.0 is generally slower and NetInfo is a lot slower. 3.3 uses more modern libraries and has better POSIX compliance. You'll see a lot of stuff that says it'll only run on 3.2 and up- that's why. Several user interface things are improved. The Login panel is better, and Services and foreign file systems seem to work better in 3.3. 3.3 allows you to compile things four-way fat. 3.0 isn't fat at all. (3.1 added Intel, I think 3.2 added HP and 3.3 added SPARC.) I'm typing this on my SPARC running 3.3. :-) If I were developing, I'd go for 3.3 for the fatness. As a SPARC user, I am always irritated when I can't get a binary for a program (say, Maple) to work on my machine. :-( As a user, I prefer 3.3 anyway, especially on black hardware, but if money's tight, I'd throw it at memory and upgrade the OS later. ab
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] NEXTSTEP/Intel and MIDI Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:25:56 GMT Organization: Korea Telecom Message-ID: <970421202556.388AAGhE.root@color> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I interested in making music on my NEXTSTEP/Intel-machine. I would like to connect my music-keyboard or MIDI hardware via MIDI to my computer. Can I use my MPU-401-compatible card under NEXTSTEP/Intel? Has anyone had any experience with MIDI sequencers or MIDI Players with MIDI hardwares(like Rolland SC-88 or YAMAHA) under NEXTSTEP/Intel? Thank you. younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, SGI O2 Q&A board written in Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Arno Bosse <abosse@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <335B8CBD.624D@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Univ. of Chicago - Academic Computing Services References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:50:22 GMT Helmut Heller wrote: > > In article <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John > Michopoulos) writes: > > > > When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not > > realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. > > > > I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I > > am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). > > > > So the following questions came up? > > > > 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? > > 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? > > 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release > > notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? > > > > Any pointers will be highly appreciated! > > You'll take a circa 8MB memory hit because of the shared library support for 3.x compatability. > > John, > a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The > vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading > 3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... > Really? I've never heard of this before. I would just as soon wait for 4.2 in June unless you need to develop Openstep apps today. There are no significant user enhacements (IMHO). Arno
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Message-ID: <E8zKMo.7v2@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121641.12895J-100000@kira> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:44:48 GMT In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121641.12895J-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: > > > I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good > > price with user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 > > developer. I was wondering if there was a large difference > > between them and if there would be a software compatability > > issue. > > There is a huge difference. > > I doubt that 3.0 dev will work with 3.3 user. > > I could be wrong, but I doubt it > It definitely won't work. All the runtime libs are different and the header files don't reflect the change. You probably might run the DEV apps successfully but you need at least NS 3.1 headers and link libs to compile your code. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 21 Apr 1997 19:48:45 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5jggat$opm$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> On 04/21/97, Helmut Heller wrote: > >John, >a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The >vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading >3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... > I upgraded directly from 3.3 to 4.1 without incident.... -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: 21 Apr 1997 17:30:16 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5jg878$bg2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> connorbd@cleo.bc.edu (Brian Connors) wrote: > Here's how I see it: I don't see why you think we care how you see it. Even more to the point, I don't see why this is posted to comp.sys.next.misc and comp.sys.mac.misc. This topic is one of advocacy, which you seem to notice by posting it to comp.sys.mac.advocacy too. Anything posted to comp.sys.*.advocacy should not be posted to any non-advocacy groups. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: 21 Apr 1997 20:37:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5jgj66$77n$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > >csn.misc is the most abused group in csn.* (with the exception of >csn.advocasy, perhaps, but everyone expects it there). > >Cross posts and offtopic posts abound. Every Apple move is now reported >to csn.misc. Many of us don't really care what Apple does or what people >speulate they will do. > >Once Rhapsody comes out, csn.misc will be abused as a discussion forum >until Rhapsody-specific groups are formed. > >I suggest that we take action now to keep csn.misc ontopic, as a group for >these posts only: > >comp.sys.next.misc > For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything > you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere > else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! > Sounds good to me. If you're willing to take on the responsibility, I would appreciate the effort. --Ryan
From: cdl@proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 21 Apr 1997 23:33:49 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5jgtgt$i7d$1@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> <5j8hnf$4ns4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Cc: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu In <5j8hnf$4ns4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Michael Giddings wrote: | | In <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> rdogra@nowhere.com wrote: | > HOW TO ENABLE THE EXTENDED C-SHELL FEATURES | > To enable the extended C-Shell features, put the line: | > | > set editmode = emacs | > | > in the .cshrc file in your home directory. If you don't | > have such a file, create one and add the line to the end. | > Log out and log in again and you will be using the new | > shell. | > | > Rajnish | > | | This doesn't enable the arrow keys (or at least I've never been able to get | it to do so). | Well, perhaps you all have to learn the first thing about Cshell syntax: Don't put spaces around the = sign. set editmode=vi or set editmode=emacs as your taste requires. -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Thomas Zhou Subject: CD player set up Message-ID: <1997Apr21.222859.22882@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:28:59 GMT Hi, I was tring to play the audio CD with CD player which I found on the NeXT but it can not find the CD Rom by itself. And the audio CD was ejected by the CD ROM. Anyone can tell me how to configure the CD player? Please reply to my account. Regards, Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: [Q] Dual boot of Linux and OPENSTEP Message-ID: <E90552.Lyo@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <punzi-ya023580001904971114560001@news.nwlink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:07:50 GMT Robin N. Werner writes > Hello, > > I have Openstep 4.1 running on white hardware, and I would like to > configure the machine to also run Linux. Furthermore, I would like to use > Lilo as the boot loader. > > Has anyone successfully produced such a configuration? If so, would > you be willing to share your lilo.conf for booting the machine? Any > additional experiences you could share would be a great help. I set this up for a demo installation once. As far as I remember the Next advanced setup did overwrite the disk's partition table no matter what. So have a linux boot disk (working, check it !) ready if you want to get back at your existing linux partition. (provided you have some space left on that first drive). Otherwise no problems. (Re)run lilo after rewriting the partition table and you should be fine. Openstep is handled in much the same way by lilo as dos is. Good luck, Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: International Protection Alliance <ipa@intlprotalli.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: <SECURITY TRAINING> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:49:54 -0400 Organization: NetUnlimited, Inc. Message-ID: <335BE102.4AF9@intlprotalli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Protection of Computers & Proprietary Information Technical Surveillance CounterMeasures Telco Technology Investigations Security Countermeasures for Government & Industry Covert Investigations & Surveillance Technology Design & Application of Industrial Security Systems Bomb Threat Planning & Management Executive/VIP Protection & Planning CounterTerrorism and the Asset Threat Spectrum World Institute for Security Enhancement http://www.worldinstitute.org securitytraining@pobox.com
From: mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:15:17 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <mitchell.allen-2104972215170001@203.detroit-004.mi.dial-access.att.net> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> <5jgj66$77n$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> > >comp.sys.next.misc > > For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything > > you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere > > else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! > > > OK, with 20,000+ newsgroups, do you really think that there is any topic, other than "moderation of c.s.n.misc" which wouldn't fit in another group? :-) Mitch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: piers@ilink.de (Piers Uso Walter) Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Message-ID: <E90L4E.MDI@mediahaus.de> Sender: news@mediahaus.de (News System) Organization: Mediahaus Stroebel in Duesseldorf (Germany) References: <5jggat$opm$1@news.digifix.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:53:01 GMT sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > On 04/21/97, Helmut Heller wrote: > > > >John, > >a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. > The > >vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading > >3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... > > > > I upgraded directly from 3.3 to 4.1 without incident.... > Same here ... -- -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- "I think people are happy using Windows, and that's an extremely depressing thought." -= Steve Jobs, 1/96 =- piers@iqweb.de -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-
From: Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 21 Apr 1997 20:22:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Message-ID: <5jhasp$7le$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> The mortal Wonko the Sane @ ~ wrote: : SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets : to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. SGI's like these are running highly specialized code like raytracers. And we're talking about desktop archetectures here, where each CPU is fighting for the same set of SIMMs. Don't try to convince me you can have an infinite number of CPUs in such a configuration and linearly add throughput to the system. It will level off. Go ask the people in the Be newsgroup about it. : UNIX vendor favors multiple slower CPUs over one really fast CPU. the reason : is obvious, no matter how big and bad your CPU is it can only do so much. : 4 slower CPUs will be able to crunch through more since you aren't limited : to one set of clock cycles crunching your data. if there is a 10 CPU StrongARM : machine for around what a killer PPro (or even dual PPro) systems sells for : i will buy it. i'd probably buy two. Studies have shown that when it comes to cost/performance, dual CPUs are probably the best balance. Any more and you are adding external cache and paying for a CPU that will not be able to use its full throughput due to memory bus contention.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 22 Apr 1997 03:51:07 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5jhcjb$cgh$1@news2.digex.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> <5jhasp$7le$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> wrote: > Studies have shown that when it comes to cost/performance, dual > CPUs are probably the best balance. Any more and you are adding > external cache and paying for a CPU that will not be able to use > its full throughput due to memory bus contention. Don't you think this will go up at least somewhat with time? It seems like finally, nowadays, system throughput technology is finally becoming important... I.E. faster disksubsystems, faster card busses, faster memory types... I think that 4 cpu systems will be reasonable in the not too distant future (human time)...say 2 years... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: paul maddox <pmaddox@ridgecrest.ca.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,aus.computers.mac Subject: Developers Coalition idea Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:45:04 -0700 Organization: RidgeNET Message-ID: <335C1821.1FEF@ridgecrest.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apple's strategy for the future seems solid. They have superior hardware, the PowerMac, which just this week hit 300 MHz-- a clear win for the PowerPC Platform over the competition. To run this great hardware, they have a superior OS on the way -- Rhapsody, which will bring new meaning to the word modern and its associated buzzwords, and give some already impressive hardware a large performance boost. What Apple does not seem to have, however, is the crucial third piece of the computer puzzle-- applications. In order to make their new strategy compelling to the average consumer, Apple needs the support of developers to make office tools, games, and other applications that take advantage of this great hardware and OS. Without this support, and a large measure of it, Apple will go nowhere. Enter the Developer1s Coalition, a well-researched, hard-thought answer to this problem, and one that should put all support for Be and other alternatives out of the picture for good. Picture: * A new organization in which the various, usually competing, Mac hardware vendors *all* come together to encourage and fund development for the Mac OS-- a group composed of not just the AIM triad (Apple, IBM, Motorola), but also the 12 or so cloners, both large and small. * The stability and harmony such a group will bring the platform with its 3we1re all in the same boat2 message. * The reaction of developers to an organization with this breadth and resource level. * This same forum taking on many of the other platform-wide duties, such as evangelism and advertising-- like that PowerPC commercial everyone is longing for... * The tremendous boost in public confidence that will result from this move. Sound good? Then I need your help. The above organization exists only on paper. However, a group of enterprising people have hatched a plan to publicize the idea, hoping to create two reactions: one, let the press and developers know that there is a huge cadre of 3average Joe2 Mac users out there eager to see more programs developed for the Mac; and two, to get the different hardware vendors to either form such a group, or start contributing to an Apple-led effort to provide these benefits. This plan entails a massive e-mail campaign targeting all the Mac hardware vendors with cc's to all the Mac software developers. Address lists for these will be posted on the eve of the campaign. Following is the form letter. Pleae help us out by sending it to the provided mailing lists on or between the dates of *Sunday, April 20th* and *Saturday, April 27*. Thank you. * DC Home: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2633/dc.html * Complete Mac http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/dev.htm * MacMarines http://www.macmarines.com/dcnews/dcnews.html
From: David Chatterton <chatz@engr.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:20:44 +1000 Organization: Silicon Graphics Message-ID: <335C58BC.41C6@engr.sgi.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> <5jhasp$7le$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Saunders wrote: > > The mortal Wonko the Sane @ ~ wrote: > : SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets > : to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. > > SGI's like these are running highly specialized code like raytracers. And > we're talking about desktop archetectures here, where each CPU is fighting > for the same set of SIMMs. Don't try to convince me you can have an > infinite number of CPUs in such a configuration and linearly add > throughput to the system. It will level off. Go ask the people in the Be > newsgroup about it. > No, SGI's like these can run any elf IRIX 32bit & 64bit application. They are not fighting for the same set of SIMMs as memory is spread uniformly through the machine and shared by all processes. Pages can be moved closer to a processor if it requires a page more than other processors. Sure performance will flatten out as you add more CPUs, but NUMA-based architectures aim to minimise this. To take advantage of the architecture you carefully written applications, not specialised applications. David -- David Chatterton (61-3) 9882 8211 (Tel) R&D Software Engineer (61-3) 9882 8030 (Fax) Performance Tools Group http://reality.sgi.com/chatz Silicon Graphics Pty.Ltd., 357 Camberwell Rd, Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CD player set up References: <1997Apr21.222859.22882@il.us.swissbank.com> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <335c5f01.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 22 Apr 97 06:47:29 GMT In article <1997Apr21.222859.22882@il.us.swissbank.com>, <thomas_zhou@il.us.swissbank.com> wrote: >Hi, > >I was tring to play the audio CD with CD player which I found on the NeXT >but it can not find the CD Rom by itself. And the audio CD was ejected by >the CD ROM. >Anyone can tell me how to configure the CD player? > >Please reply to my account. > >Regards, >Tom I found it was necessary to have CDPlayer.app in /LocalApps (owned by root) for things to work. The CD-ROM is sd3 and it fires up automatically when I pop a disc in the CD-ROM drive. Firing up CDPlayer.app first does not seem to work. It seemed quite particular and was difficult to get running the first time (until I got all the bits right, the essence of which is above). Good luck. david ---- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 22 Apr 1997 07:56:46 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jhqvu$1q20@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Helmut Heller (heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de) wrote: > a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The > vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading > 3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... I have upgraded several machines from 3.3 to 4.1, and not experienced any problems. Make sure though to delete the developer package before upgrading, as the 4.1 developer will otherwise leave files from 3.3 around, which give you various headaches. Anybody considering to buy 4.1 may wish to wait for 4.2 though. :-) All the best, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: <Marla@spaghetti.it> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199704221015.DAA28909@web1.zzz.com> Well, well. Here we are again. Staring at the computer screen instead of getting constructive work done. The solution? Let SUBMITKING (http://www.submitking.com) do the work for you. For just $10US (less than $1.43hr if you consider the time to do this yourself), they'll submit your URL to 100 marketing resources. You fill out 1 form, press the button, your done. Thought you'd be interested. Regards from Marla!
From: mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 22 Apr 1997 10:19:25 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> In-Reply-To: <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> On 04/21/97, Stefan Ried wrote: >John Michopoulos wrote: >> 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? >no, 4.2 will be out soon. > Seconded. >> What does it (4.1) contain more than 4.0? >it contains less (bugs) > Definitely. And it's faster. >> 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? >yes, 4.2 will be the final release before Rhapsody, which is able to run >OpenStep and NEXTStep Apps. Rhapsody will run OpenStep and Mac Apps, no >more NeXTStep Apps. (Or have anybody out there another information) > I can see no way in which NEXTSTEP apps would run on Rhapsody on PPC. Best wishes, mmalc. -- Malcolm Crawford (NeXTmail) malcolm@plsys.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1494 432422 P & L Systems Fax: +44 (0)1494 432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~malcolm
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered Subject: NEXTSTEP/Contract-Long term/DC Area Date: 22 Apr 1997 11:46:17 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5ji8e9$6p0@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP--------------------Commercial experience Objective C-----------------Commercial experience Contract--------------------Long Term Type of Contract------------W2 or 1099 Area------------------------DC Area Start Date------------------May 1997 To Be Considered------------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: BillLee@cleaf.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 22 Apr 1997 14:05:48 GMT Organization: Intex.Net (http://www.intex.net/) Message-ID: <5jigjs$79c@animal.intex.net> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> <5jgtgt$i7d$1@news1.ucsd.edu> cdl@proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) wrote: > <snip> > >Well, perhaps you all have to learn the first thing about Cshell syntax: > >Don't put spaces around the = sign. > > set editmode=vi >or > set editmode=emacs > >as your taste requires. > >-- > carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego > clowenstein@ucsd.edu > Carl: Perhaps versions of csh vary from machine to machine, but your response is certainly not correct on my NeXT. Here's a cut-n-paste from a terminal window that disproves your statement. Regards, Bill Lee leeweyr-1: set x = 14 leeweyr-2: echo $x 14 leeweyr-3: set x=15 leeweyr-4: !e echo $x 15
Date: 22 Apr 1997 12:16:36 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <cancel.199704221015.DAA28909@web1.zzz.com> Control: cancel <199704221015.DAA28909@web1.zzz.com> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: <Marla@spaghetti.it> Subject: cmsg cancel <199704221015.DAA28909@web1.zzz.com> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19970422.24 for further details
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS April Quiz - last call + 2 more hints ! Date: 22 Apr 1997 19:24:14 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5jj38u$c56@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, last call (!) for the SSS April quiz on http://members.ping.at/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, hurry! Deadline is May 1. Don't spoil your chance to win a free HelpViewer 1.3 or LatinByrd II license! Here's TWO MORE HINTS: 1) Q#1 reads "What's wrong this time"? Well, frankly, there's nothing really "wrong" with the picture. It's a still life - consisting of nothing but dead stone, dead sand, trees, and the sky. But in fact, there's something present which somehow doesn't fit. Note: SSS officially apologies for the sillyness of this photo. ;-) Just a picture shot in holiday mood... 2) Q#2 reads "At which ancient greek site has this photo been shot"? And a further hint contained in the web page says that this ancient site would be in the sports news every 4th summer. C'mon... that's an easy one! Note that it's not required to name the exact location of the temple (or whatever it might be) depicted in the image - the name of the ancient site/town will suffice. And BTW it's *NOT* the place where the ancient Greek Gods live! (Although the name is similar.) Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://members.ping.at/stefan/
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 22 Apr 1997 19:45:47 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5jj4hb$n53$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> On 04/22/97, mmalcolm crawford wrote: >On 04/21/97, Stefan Ried wrote: >>John Michopoulos wrote: >>> 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? >>no, 4.2 will be out soon. >> >Seconded. > >>> What does it (4.1) contain more than 4.0? >>it contains less (bugs) >> >Definitely. And it's faster. > >>> 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? >>yes, 4.2 will be the final release before Rhapsody, which is able to run >>OpenStep and NEXTStep Apps. Rhapsody will run OpenStep and Mac Apps, no >>more NeXTStep Apps. (Or have anybody out there another information) >> >I can see no way in which NEXTSTEP apps would run on Rhapsody on PPC. > I can see a way... if Apple also ported the 'legacy libs' that ship with OS 4.1 on Mach... and ran the 68000 code using an emulator. Or maybe in the blue box under Connectixs' Virtual PC... But then again, I'm seeing pink elephants fly past my window right now... I think I'll join them... -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.misc From: sc@netcom.com Subject: FS - wwdc ticket Message-ID: <scE9247u.HA8@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:43:06 GMT Sender: sc@netcom11.netcom.com World wide dev conference ticket for the week. $900. SC@netcom.com
From: D.F. <frakes@gseis.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: 21 Apr 1997 21:03:57 GMT Organization: . Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jgknt$1o7k@uni.library.ucla.edu> References: <5j5q0v$bh0@netnews.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Eric A. Dubiel, eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu writes: >> Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you >> have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where >> on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the >> PowerMacs have "soft" power down. > >None of you get it. > >It's about when you "PUSH" the button on the back of the unit! Actually, I think none of _anyone_ gets it ;-). Would the original poster please restate their question a bit clearer? Dan frakes@kagi.com The InformInit Mac User 5-Mice, MacWorld Online Pick, AOL MUT Shareware of the Year <http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/DEF/InformInit.html> Version 1.4, covering System 7.6.1, coming soon...
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPP on NextStation? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:55:53 -0700 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280002204971455530001@news.intelenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject line says it all. I currently use Apple OT-PPP on my PowerMac, along with a USR modem, and "tia" PPP-emulator on a Netcom shell account to dial in to the Internet from home. What do I have to add to my NextStation running 3.3 User to get PPP dial-up capabilities (if anything)? Further, where's a good place to start looking for Internet apps on NextStep? Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP on NextStation? Date: 22 Apr 1997 22:52:05 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5jjfel$ekj$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <rbarris-ya023280002204971455530001@news.intelenet.com> www.thoughtport.com tim's page.. www.peak.org/~luomat is a good place to start! Godwin Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : Subject line says it all. I currently use Apple OT-PPP on my : PowerMac, along with a USR modem, and "tia" PPP-emulator on a Netcom shell : account to dial in to the Internet from home. : What do I have to add to my NextStation running 3.3 User to get PPP : dial-up capabilities (if anything)? Further, where's a good place to start : looking for Internet apps on NextStep? : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
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From: mseibert@ita1.inow.com (Matt Seibert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Misc Questions Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 00:05:55 GMT Organization: Wildfire Technologies Message-ID: <5jjjq3$a7s@news.jump.net> Looking for a NeXT Guru who can tell me: (Black Hardware Questions) Is it possible to change the root pattern in the X Windows environment to be a XBM (or similar)? How? Is the lowest device ID on the SCSI controller the one that is booted from? What ID does the controller own? (ie on a PC, Controller is standard ID 7, and boot disk is standard ID 0) What would DSP memory get me? Would it be worthwhile to invest in some? Where would I get it? What is the Max memory configuration of a NextStation Mono Turbo? I am roughly familiar with Linux and SunOS, so standard UNIX stuff I've got. How do I go about installing and / or compiling new apps? And for the real winner: Where can I get a few good FAQs, a group of FAQs, or a reference manual? Matt please reply to mseibert@ita1.inow.com, news sux from here
From: dblakele@mercury.interpath.net (Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Status of NEXTTIME Date: 23 Apr 1997 00:27:32 GMT Organization: Interpath Message-ID: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and picked up by somebody else? Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Jones St Family Medicine _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | 618 West Jones Street \\// Office Tel # (919) 755-1888 | | Raleigh NC 27603 \/ #include <disclaim.whsi.h> |
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From: lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 23 Apr 1997 05:13:45 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, University of Melbourne Message-ID: <5jk5q9$4vg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5jj4hb$n53$1@news.digifix.com> : I can see a way... if Apple also ported the 'legacy libs' : that ship with OS 4.1 on Mach... and ran the 68000 code using an : emulator. Being able to NXHost apps would at least let me put a cube in the corner and run those legacy apps :-) -- Luke
From: meixner@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Date: 23 Apr 1997 11:40:42 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5jksfq$1bdd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> Wonko the Sane @ ~ (wonko@rtfm.wonko.net) wrote: > In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel wrote: > >Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: > > > >>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to > >>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about > >>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. > > > >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't > >mean that, at any rate. > >Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd > >do that if it weren't worthwhile. > SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets > to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. AFAIK they are not using SMP hardware-wise. Only up to 4 (or 8, ...?) Processors can access the same memory. However the OS is used to simulate SMP by using some sort of paging. One Page of memory is 'owned' by one group of processors and can only be written by the owner of it. If another processor wants to write to it, you get a page fault and the OS transfers this page to the other set of processors (OK, it's actually a bit more complicated). By this it looks as if it were SMP to the software. The side effect of this way to do things is, that the performace drops dramatically, if all processors want to access the same memory at the same time. However, if you don't have that much accesses to this shared-memory, performance scales quite well. -- - Matthias Meixner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- EMail: meixner@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de WWW: http://www.student.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~meixner/ Uebrigens: Nachts gehen Sonnenuhren nach dem Mond ...
From: "Dirk Herr-Hoyman" <dirk@joe.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Building db.1.85 on 3.3 Date: 23 Apr 1997 13:49:06 GMT Organization: Berbee Information Networks Corporation Message-ID: <01bc4fed$52c0c5e0$9a1f9bce@madison> I have Next 3.3 system that I would like to build the Berkeley DB on, for use with Perl 5. The DB 1.85 release does not have a PORT for the Next. 1) Does someone have such a PORT done? 2) If not, which of these existing PORT would be the best to start from: aix.3.2/ bsd.4.4/ bsdi.1.0/ dgux.5.4/ hpux.8.07/ hpux.9.01/ irix.4.05F/ linux/ osf.1.0.2/ osf.1.3/ osf.2.0/ ptx.2.0/ sinix.5.41/ solaris.2.2/ sunos.4.1.1/ sunos.4.1.2/ sunos.4.1.3/ sunos.5.2/ ultrix.4.2/ ultrix.4.3/ TIA -- Dirk Herr-Hoyman <hoymand@joe.org> Journal of Extension
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Misc Questions Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:38:04 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <snLZQAO00WBO43l45V@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5jjjq3$a7s@news.jump.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Apr-97 Misc Questions by Matt Seibert@ita1.inow.c > Is it possible to change the root pattern in the X Windows environment to > be a XBM (or similar)? How? Did whatever version of X you have installed come with 'xsetroot'? Try that.... > Is the lowest device ID on the SCSI controller the one that is booted from? Yes. > What ID does the controller own? (ie on a PC, Controller is standard ID 7, > and boot disk is standard ID 0) The SCSI controller is ID 7. > What would DSP memory get me? Probably nothing, unless you're doing something special with sounds & MIDI or doing some DSP programming. > Would it be worthwhile to invest in some? Probably no, but it depends on what you want to do. > Where would I get it? You might be able to buy some used DSP memory from someone, but I don't even know whether that style of memory is still being manufactured. > What is the Max memory configuration of a NextStation Mono Turbo? 128 MB; four 32-MB 72-pin SIMMs. > I am roughly familiar with Linux and SunOS, so standard UNIX stuff I've got. > How do I go about installing and / or compiling new apps? NEXTSTEP software generally comes in packages-- ie, files with a .pkg extension. Double-click on such a file to run Installer.app, which is very user friendly (you shouldn't have any problems). As for compiling software, you need to have NEXTSTEP/Developer installed. > And for the real winner: > Where can I get a few good FAQs, a group of FAQs, or a reference manual? Take a look at /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin, NeXTAnswers (www.next.com), and Stepwise (www.stepwise.com). -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Status of NEXTTIME Date: 23 Apr 1997 18:38:05 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5jlkud$8c@news.next.com> References: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account writes > Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and > picked up by somebody else? It's included on the release, starting with OPENSTEP 4.0. I don't know if you can still get the 3.X version as a separate product - I kind of doubt it, though. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Status of NEXTTIME Message-ID: <E93sKv.D1@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:26:55 GMT dblakele@mercury.interpath.net (Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account) wrote: > Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and picked > up by somebody else? > It has been picked up by Apple ;-) and will morph with QuickTime 3.0...nobody knows which parts of NEXTIME will remain...but OPENSTEP definitly will continue to offer a "QuickTime-player solution" in the future. Aloha Tomi
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Xnext on NextStep 3.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:02:53 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970424055241.18199A-100000@kira> References: <E942tB.C03@ecf.toronto.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Murugathas Yuwaraj <yuwaraj@ecf.toronto.edu> In-Reply-To: <E942tB.C03@ecf.toronto.edu> > NOTE: I have gunzip installed in /usr/local/bin > Has anyone experienced this problem? > Is this a problem with `gunzip_package' or `gunzip' > installation? Could be. Try linking 'gzip' and 'gunzip' to /usr/bin/ and see if it works. I might actually consider this a problem with the install script that isn't smart enough to checkout the entire $PATH whereisgunzip=`sh -c "which gunzip" |awk '{print $1}'` if [ "$whereisgunzip" = "no" ] then echo "There is no gunzip installed" exit 1 else GUNZIP="$whereisgunzip" fi $GUNZIP /path/to/file.tar.gz Simple enough... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/
From: bchin@freedomnet.com (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Status of NEXTTIME Date: 24 Apr 1997 18:22:53 GMT Organization: FreedomNet - Your Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <5jo8dt$82l$1@news.freedomnet.com> References: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> dblakele@mercury.interpath.net (Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account) wrote: >Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and picked >up by somebody else? The NEXTIME application and runtime is a standard part of the OPENSTEP for Mach releases. A NEXTIME OPENSTEP framework is available with OPENSTEP Mach Developer. However, since NEXTIME is not part of the OPENSTEP API and there is merging to be done with Apple's QuickTime, how NEXTIME looks under Rhapsody is uncertain. Your best bet to get NEXTIME for NS 3.[23] is to get it from csn.marketplace or just upgrade to OPENSTEP for Mach 4.x. ..Bill Chin
From: 0056189@ccmail.emis.mac.com (Larry Lattman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,aus.computers.mac Subject: Re: Developers Coalition idea Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:51:06 -0700 Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company Message-ID: <0056189-2304972151060001@max2-rs-ca-36.earthlink.net> References: <335C1821.1FEF@ridgecrest.ca.us> In article <335C1821.1FEF@ridgecrest.ca.us>, paul maddox <pmaddox@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote: > Apple's strategy for the future seems solid. > They have superior hardware, the PowerMac, which just this week hit > 300 MHz-- a clear win for the PowerPC Platform > over the competition. > To run this great hardware, they have a superior OS on the way -- > Rhapsody, which will bring new meaning to the word > modern and its associated buzzwords, and give some already impressive > hardware a large performance boost. > What Apple does not seem to have, however, is the crucial third piece > of the computer puzzle-- applications. In order to > make their new strategy compelling to the average consumer, Apple needs > the support of developers to make office tools, > games, and other applications that take advantage of this great hardware > and OS. Without this support, and a large measure of > it, Apple will go nowhere. > Enter the Developer1s Coalition, a well-researched, hard-thought > answer to this problem, and one that should put all support > for Be and other alternatives out of the picture for good. > > Picture: > * A new organization in which the various, usually competing, Mac > hardware vendors *all* come together to encourage and > fund development for the Mac OS-- a group composed of not just the AIM > triad (Apple, IBM, Motorola), but also the 12 or so > cloners, both large and small. > * The stability and harmony such a group will bring the platform with > its 3we1re all in the same boat2 message. > * The reaction of developers to an organization with this breadth and > resource level. > * This same forum taking on many of the other platform-wide duties, such > as evangelism and advertising-- like that PowerPC > commercial everyone is longing for... > * The tremendous boost in public confidence that will result from this > move. > > Sound good? > Then I need your help. > The above organization exists only on paper. However, a group of > enterprising people have hatched a plan to publicize the > idea, hoping to create two reactions: one, let the press and developers > know that there is a huge cadre of 3average Joe2 Mac > users out there eager to see more programs developed for the Mac; and > two, to get the different hardware vendors to either > form such a group, or start contributing to an Apple-led effort to > provide these benefits. > This plan entails a massive e-mail campaign targeting all the Mac > hardware vendors with cc's to all the Mac software > developers. Address lists for these will be posted on the eve of the > campaign. Following is the form letter. Pleae help us out by > sending it to the provided mailing lists on or between the dates of > *Sunday, April 20th* and *Saturday, April 27*. > Thank you. > > * DC Home: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2633/dc.html > * Complete Mac http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/dev.htm > * MacMarines http://www.macmarines.com/dcnews/dcnews.html This looks like a great idea!! I think that it's about time all of the manufactures and developers of Mac OS hardware and software start working together, not fighting with each other. It's time for the end user to sound off in a loud and unitified voice. What do you the rest of you think? -- If you think I speak for my company, I have a bridge I would like to sell you for a real good price. Larry Lattman Sr. Multi Media Tech. Hughes Aircraft Company Sensors and Communications Systems
From: dcase@case.com (David Case) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Webbrowsers for NextStep on MOT ? Date: 24 Apr 1997 18:32:14 GMT Organization: scruz-net Message-ID: <5jo8ve$t94@news.scruz.net> I am looking for a web browser for a Nextstation running 3.2. I tried Omniweb and Nexus but, I don't have the foundation set (where can I get it?) needed for Omniweb and Nexus doesn't seem to want to use the proxy server I am going thru even though everything else does just fine. Thanks, David Case CASE Electronics - 4770 Soquel Drive - Suite D - Soquel - California - 95073 (408)479-0759
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract,dc.jobs Subject: NEXT/Contract--Long term/DC Area Date: 25 Apr 1997 11:16:58 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5jq3ra$ig9@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP----------------------Commercial experience Objective C-------------------Commercial experience Position----------------------Contract Contract----------------------Long term Benefits----------------------Available Area--------------------------DC Area(not MCI) To Be Considered--------------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Glimpse of Apple's plan for Rhapsody Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:02:56 -0400 Organization: University At Buffalo Message-ID: <335FA03C.3683@arch.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hi: I recently browsed the positions announced by Apple for Rhapsody work and here is a summary of what they are interested in: Java language access to OpenStep Pure AWT implementation on top of OpenStep Integrating Java Beans with OpenStep Develop apps to ship as part of Rhapsody: Mail, Installer, Preferences, NetInfo Make OpenStep applications scriptable preferrably using AppleScript. The Java Client project (Siva) extends the strengths of NeXT's Enterprise Objects Framework (EOF) and WebObjects Framework to the design of highly interactive multi-tier Java applications. Responsibilities: implement InterfaceBuilder for Java UI toolkits (adapting NeXT InterfaceBuilder) Of course, there are others such as core OS and EOF... but these are ones that attracted my attention. -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OS 4.0 Upgrade dies.... Date: 25 Apr 1997 13:00:53 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5jq9u5$696$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Despite all your good advice on waiting for 4.2 I decided to go ahead and upgrade just one machine from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0 just to see the new features (especially True Type fonts and Samba). At about 75% of the upgrade process, a panel came up indicating that "Upgrade Process Failed, Thread died". Is this one of the reasons I should have waited for 4.2 :-) , or indeed this is something that can be fixed. Any ideas? Regards --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: John Weaver <jweaver@sdsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:04:06 -0700 Organization: San Diego State University Message-ID: <3360E406.65C8@sdsu.edu> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Keating wrote: > > Ling Wang wrote: > > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! actually it is 1024, but who really cares ? -- john weaver -- jweaver@sdsu.edu | be different, conform.
From: real-address-in-sig@astrid.u-net.com (Rebecca and Rowland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc, Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:47:55 +0100 Organization: Frisian Liberation Front Message-ID: <19970425194755309700@p23.ascend3.is2.u-net.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <3360E406.65C8@sdsu.edu> John Weaver <jweaver@sdsu.edu> wrote: > Daniel Keating wrote: > > > > Ling Wang wrote: > > > > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! > > actually it is 1024, but who really cares ? Depends on whose doing the maths. Scientifically speaking, Giga (G) = x10^9 Mega (M) = x10^6 kilo (k) = x10^3 If you're talking about computer memory, it's common to use `K' to mean 1024. Notice the use of lower and upper case. So some people reckon M (relating to memory) should be 1024 x 1024, and G (relating to memory) should be 1024^3. There's no real justification for measuring *everything* to do with computers in this way. Amusingly, the reason people think that PC 3.5in HD floppies hold more than Mac 3.5in HD floppies is that Apple means 1024 x 1024 to mean M (hence 1.4MB Mac discs) and the PC people mean 1024 x 1000 to mean M applied to these floppies (hence 1.44MB PC discs). Rowland. -- Take the continent out of the line below to construct my email address: rebecca at astrid dot africa stop u-net period com Apologies for the inconvenience. The last junk emailler to bother me was Tele987@cobunet.com
From: Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:27:20 -0400 Organization: CMMG, Wayne State University Message-ID: <33610598.7807@sanger.med.wayne.edu> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Keating wrote: > > Ling Wang wrote: > > > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. > > > > Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would > > make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I > > of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! Calm down. He _did_ the math: 50,000 MFLOPS / 16,382 CPUs = 3.052... MFLOPS per CPU. Gerard -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Gerard Tromp, Ph.D. CMMG, Wayne State University vox: 313-577-8773 3116, Scott Hall fax: 313-577-5218 540 E Canfield Ave e-mail: tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu Detroit, MI 48201 gtromp@cmb.biosci.wayne.edu
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webbrowsers for NextStep on MOT ? Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:22:15 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970425120741.3163D-100000@kira> References: <5jo8ve$t94@news.scruz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: David Case <dcase@case.com> In-Reply-To: <5jo8ve$t94@news.scruz.net> > I am looking for a web browser for a Nextstation running 3.2. I tried > Omniweb and Nexus but, I don't have the foundation set (where can I get > it?) needed for Omniweb and Nexus doesn't seem to want to use the proxy > server I am going thru even though everything else does just fine. This is a very large FAQ... I think I answered this just yesterday on csn.software. The patch is on the first page of my web page, and is also available from NeXTanswers... (the one from PEAK is compressed with gzip so it is smaller). This information should be in the FAQ, but if it isn't you could have found it by searching for the word 'foundation' in NeXTanswers. You can search NeXTanswers from my page -- 'goto 'other sites' from the main TOC TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
From: michael@curie (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Customized Login Screens? Date: 25 Apr 1997 21:14:19 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5jr6rb$c70@corporate.hesta.com> I posted this on comp.sys.next.sysadmin, but thought it might be better here... There used to be custom login screens for 3.3 some of which are still up on PEAK. Can someone tell me how to get them to work under OPENSTEP 4.x (M68+Intel). Maybe a template or too so I might experiment.... Thanks. -- Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
From: DAVID HOUTS <dhouts@haywire.csuhayward.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.mi Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:05:36 -0700 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970425165911.8241A-100000@haywire> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> I concurr. I am a NS newbie, and it seems that since the Apple aquisition, I must work through a lot of chaff or noise to get to some USEFUL and relevant info about NS. Thank you for volunteering to moderate. And thanks to you and all other experienced NS users & administrators for the the experiences and knowledge shared in these groups.
From: rlarson@semlab5.sbs.sunysb.edu (Richard K. Larson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Cornell NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Users? Date: 25 Apr 1997 14:57:35 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Message-ID: <5jqgov$cta$1@abel.ic.sunysb.edu> Are there any NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP users out there in the Cornell area who would be willing to help us set up a demonstration of an app running under NS/OS? Basically we need someone who could answer questions about: (i) the requirements on a machine running NS/OS, installing the system software, (iii) installing a normal app. Any help you can render would be greatly appreciated! If you can help, please contact me by email. - Richard Larson SUNY - Stony Brook rlarson@semlab5.sbs.sunysb.edu
From: Daniel Keating <dkeating@maths.kst.dit.ie> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:32:24 -0700 Organization: Dublin Institute of Technology Message-ID: <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ling Wang wrote: > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > > > > > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > > > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > > > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > > > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. > > > > > > The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 > > > KFLOPS level. > > > > Stephen, > > > > Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. > > > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. > > Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would > make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I > of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!!
From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc, Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc, Date: 26 Apr 1997 06:23:23 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5js70r$i6h@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin. Rebecca and Rowland (real-address-in-sig@astrid.u-net.com) wrote: : : So some people reckon M (relating to memory) should be 1024 x 1024, and : G (relating to memory) should be 1024^3. There's no real justification : for measuring *everything* to do with computers in this way. Well, 1024 = 2^10 1024 x 1024 = 2^20 1024 x 1024 x 1024 = 2^30 It just scales so nicely. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |this post is (C)1997 Josh Hesse and may not be transmitted in any form,| |on any machine that is connected in any way to The Microsoft Network(TM).| | Violators of this clause are required to buy me the item of my choice, | |from Comic World(TM) Lincoln Nebraska, at no less than one per violation| | I regret to announce that due to recent advances in spammer technonogy | | I will no longer include my non-spam-trap email address in my .sig. If | | you absolutly have to email me, "finger" this account for proper address | | Do not send mail to president@198.137.241.30 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Message-ID: <root.0pdj@sweetdreams.lahn.de> From: mbethke@sweetdreams.lahn.de (Matthias Bethke) Organization: Sweet Dreams BBS Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 01:55:46 MES-2 References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> RFC1036/822 apg.lahn.de [UNIX/Connect v0.75-t1] In article <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> wang_ling@jpmorgan.com (Ling Wang) writes: > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. > > Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would > make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I > of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro A PPro with 3MFLOPS? That's just as bogus. I'm not sure how fast it is exactly but I guess at least 30-40MFLOPS. bye! Matthias -- GMC/O d-- s+: a-- C+++>$ UBA++ P+ L+ E- W+@ N+++ o+ K? w--- !O M V- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP>+ t 5 X- R tv- b++ DI D--- G e+ h r- y+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dwagley@netcom.com (Doug Wagley) Subject: NeXT hardware support? Message-ID: <dwagleyE99C25.2Gr@netcom.com> Followup-To: poster Keywords: hardware printer Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:15:40 GMT Sender: dwagley@netcom5.netcom.com Is anyone still providing maintenance for NeXT hardware? I have an unhappy NeXT laser printer that has developed a high pitched whine and waits a very long time before feeding the sheet. It then just prints a thin horizontal smear across the paper. I'm in the metro Denver area. If anybody knows who could provide service please let me know. Thanks, Doug dwagley@netcom.com
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <26385861508830@digifix.com> Date: 27 Apr 1997 03:59:44 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <25195862113623@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: Anthony McCreath <mccreath@anet-dfw.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 21 Apr 97 02:58:18 +0500 Organization: ANET Internet Services. Message-ID: <4633.7050T178T943@anet-dfw.com> References: <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> >In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel >wrote: >>Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: >> >>>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >>>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >>>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. >> >>I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >>mean that, at any rate. >>Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >>do that if it weren't worthwhile. >SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets >to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. It depends on what is being done and how the memory is managed. A system related to my work is also quoting a useful limit of 4 while it can handle 12. The reason is that after a point there are to many memory access collisions which require fold back for the loosing processors. When the foldbacks become to much you end up running slower than with less processors. Another problem is that pre-parallel software cannot use more than one processor, therefore limiting the usefulness of 128 processors if your running one app. which cannot sync itself over several processors. I believe this is a major problem with the Multi-Processor mac systems. >>For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >>If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >>can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >>price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these >>32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use >>of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) >>memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >>raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >>the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >>accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >>everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >>at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. This is another style of Multi-Processor systems with its own problems. Effectively your setting up your own little intranet in one computer. To do a combination as you suggest, you are realy talking about a large cache. >this is similar to what the 128CPU SGI machines do. an R10000 can have up to >2MB of cache RAM (really super-duper fast ram) and 4G of shared RAM (slower >DRAM speeds) that is what made those things so impressive. that is also >what made them cost more than all of us combined could afford. I should read ahead :-) >>But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision >>and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then >>market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- >>processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real >>life. >if i could buy a 10 CPU StrongARM (with FP Units of course) machine for the >price of a PPro, you can bet your ass i'd buy the 10 CPU StrongARM machine. >i've been in the UNIX world for a very long time, and just about every single >UNIX vendor favors multiple slower CPUs over one really fast CPU. the reason >is obvious, no matter how big and bad your CPU is it can only do so much. >4 slower CPUs will be able to crunch through more since you aren't limited >to one set of clock cycles crunching your data. if there is a 10 CPU >StrongARM machine for around what a killer PPro (or even dual PPro) systems >sells for i will buy it. i'd probably buy two. I think the Massive-Parallel systems are useful for certian situations, which I think rendering is one, where each process can get on with its job on its own, however it starts stumbling when interaction is involved, e.g GUI, I/O. >-brian >-- >The fundamental difference between Unix and the Macintosh operating system is >that Unix was designed to please programmers, whereas the Mac was designed to > please users. (Windows, on the other hand, was designed to please >accountants, but that's another story.) > --The UNIX-HATERS Handbook I agree :-) >=== End Transmission === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McCreath mccreath@anet-dfw.com Telecom's Software Engineer Amiga4000/060,44Meg,CV64 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: paellieon@hotmail.com (Capt.) Newsgroups: alt.flame.macintosh,alt.news.newusers-mac,alt.sources.mac,alt.sys.mac.newuser-help,biz.marketplace.computers.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.games.action,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.mac.hardware.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Developer Coalition Idea -- Read! Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:17:44 -0600 Organization: University of Kansas Computing Services Message-ID: <paellieon-ya02408000R2604972217440001@news.cc.ukans.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apple's strategy for the future seems solid. They have superior hardware, the PowerMac, which just this week hit 300 MHz-- a clear win for the PowerPC Platform over the competition. To run this great hardware, they have a superior OS on the way -- Rhapsody, which will bring new meaning to the word modern and its associated buzzwords, and give some already impressive hardware a large performance boost. What Apple does not seem to have, however, is the crucial third piece of the computer puzzle-- applications. In to make their new strategy compelling to the average consumer, Apple needs the support of developers to make office tools, games, and other applications that take advantage of this great hardware and OS. Without this support, and a large measure of it, Apple will go nowhere. Enter the Developer's Coalition, a well-researched, hard-thought answer to this problem, and one that should put all support for Be and other alternatives out of the picture for good. Picture: * A new organization in which the various, usually competing, Mac hardware vendors *all* come together to encourage and fund development for the Mac OS-- a group composed of not just the AIM triad (Apple, IBM, Motorola), but also the 12 or so cloners, both large and small. * The stability and harmony such a group will bring the platform with its we're all in the same boat together message. * The reaction of developers to an organization with this breadth and resource level. * This same forum taking on many of the other platform-wide duties, such as evangelism and advertising-- like that PowerPC commercial everyone is longing for... * The tremendous boost in public confidence that will result from this move. Sound good? Then I need your help. The above organization exists only on paper. However, a group of enterprising people have hatched a plan to publicize the idea, hoping to create two reactions: one, let the press and developers know that there is a huge cadre of "average Joe" Mac users out there eager to see more programs developed for the Mac; and two, to get the different hardware vendors to either form such a group, or start contributing to an Apple-led effort to provide these benefits. This plan entails a massive e-mail campaign targeting all the Mac hardware vendors with cc's to all the Mac software developers. Address lists for these will be posted on the eve of the campaign. Following is the form letter. Please help us out by sending it to the provided mailing lists on or between the dates of *Sunday, April 20th* and *Saturday, April 26*. Thank you. * DC Home: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2633/dc.html * Complete Mac http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/dev.html * MacMarines http://www.macmarines.com/dcnews/dcnews.html -- Remove ".nospam" for a valid e-mail address.
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:46:49 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5j1i39$1fs@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <3353F298.C9DCCE0D@ix.netcom.com> "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes: >Bernd Meyer wrote: >> Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense >> department pays several megabucks for it ;-) >Let's hope they are prepared to spend megabucks to administer and >support it after the megabuck sale...:) Yes, of course. And guess who would have the expertise to land that support contract ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:19:36 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). So the following questions came up? 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? Any pointers will be highly appreciated! Thanks everybody --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [triviality warning] You might be a NeXT fanatic if... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:17:12 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970428061352.12888A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: John sechrest <next-ftp@peak.org> You goto the peak (http://www.peak.org) homepage and see this: New: Jobs at PEAK And wonder why (Steve) Jobs is working at PEAK That's the first thought I had, at least... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.newton.misc From: sc@netcom.com Subject: FS: World wide dev conference ticket Message-ID: <scE9D0nn.A8x@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:59:46 GMT Sender: sc@netcom17.netcom.com Apple World wide Dev conference ticket for the week. $900. SC@netcom.com
From: Michal Bencur <bencur@elf.stuba.sk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can I use old versions of NS ? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:50:52 +0200 Organization: Kmit Message-ID: <3364F18C.47715258@elf.stuba.sk> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970428061352.12888A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a possiblity to buy NextStep 2.? version. I want to ask if it is possible to use it now, as I know NS3.3 is usable, now you are migrating to 4.X. So is 2.X OK, or it's too old and a lot of apps will not work ?
From: werner@ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can I use old versions of NS ? Date: 29 Apr 1997 01:18:13 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <5k3i8l$tgj$1@salyko.cube.net> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970428061352.12888A-100000@kira> <3364F18C.47715258@elf.stuba.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michal Bencur <bencur@elf.stuba.sk> wrote: >I've got a possiblity to buy NextStep 2.? version. >I want to ask if it is possible to use it now, >as I know NS3.3 is usable, now you are migrating to 4.X. >So is 2.X OK, or it's too old and a lot of apps will not >work ? I think it is hard to enjoy 2.X when you ever used 3.3 Most of the newer apps require at least 3.0. 3.0 was a little bit unstable, so 3.1 would be minimum. Last night I upgraded my old machine from 3.2 to 3.3 and now enjoy to be able to start OmniWeb 2.5 and the nice Mail.app and so on. I'm happy that I did it. Werner
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From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Chat script for connecting to NT Date: 30 Apr 1997 02:57:19 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <5k6cef$of5$1@dropit.pgh.net> References: <5jkthk$19o@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> kyle@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kyle Hearfield) wrote: > I am trying to connect my Next to an NT server using PPP 2.2 I cannot seem > to get the chat script to work, or I think it might be a framing problem. > > Any suggestions? Yes. I beat my head against the wall for weeks on this before I got it working. First of all, I assume you are calling a RAS server. Secondly, RAS does not prompt or echo anything I have ever seen. Assuming you have everything set up right, which is best checked by trying to log on from another NT machine, once you are connected you just shove your login and password down the line and let PPP start to negotiate. BTW, I am dialing from a USR 33.6kbs modem into a Zoom 33.6kbs modem. I had a USR on the PC but it wasn't on MS's supported modem list so I replaced it. It turns out I probably didn't have to do that. Here is the dialer script I am using: PATH=$PATH:/misc/Local/ppp/bin export PATH pppd crtscts lock defaultroute\ connect "chat -v -f\ /Local/ppp/scripts/pppupNT"\ /dev/cufb 38400 debug\ -vj mru 1500\ ipcp-max-terminate 10 lcp-max-terminate 10\ name "rbp" remotename "venetia-nt"\ -chap escape 04 asyncmap 0 tail -f ppp2.2.log And here is my chat script: ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "NO DIAL TONE" ABORT "ERROR" ABORT "NO ANSWER" ABORT "NO PROMPTTONE" "" AT&C1 OK AT&D2 OK ATS10=254 OK ATS25=50 OK AT&W OK AT&W1 OK ATDT9416883 CONNECT LOGIN "" PASSWORD "" ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: kdb@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I play a sound from stdin? Date: 30 Apr 1997 06:36:12 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5k6p8s$a0k$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> The sndplay app that comes with NS requires a filename and I can't find a sound player that will simply read from standard input. Recording to standard output would be nice to do also, but is less important. Does anybody know of a way to trick sndplay or know of another app? Thanks... Kurt :-) ...................................................................... : Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin : : kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 : :....................................................................:
From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Optimal Object gone? Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:59:41 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Message-ID: <5k7q9d$car@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:59:41 GMT I just tried calling both numbers for Optimal Object (toll free and regular) and received messages from the phone company indicating that the numbers are not operating. Does anyone know what is going on? I really need to order some software from them, or lose the funding today! -- Colin Allen http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/
From: Bill Kooiman <billk@apl.washington.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I play a sound from stdin? Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:33:41 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <33677465.41C6@apl.washington.edu> References: <5k6p8s$a0k$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt D. Bollacker wrote: > > The sndplay app that comes with NS requires a filename and I can't find a sound > player that will simply read from standard input. Recording to standard > output would be nice to do also, but is less important. > > Does anybody know of a way to trick sndplay or know of another app? I modified playtest.c from the NextDeveloper/Examples a couple of years ago to do this. Its not really a polished program, but I'll send you a copy via NextMail in case you don't find anything else. --Bill Kooiman
From: kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk (Ken Turner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] NEXTSTEP/Intel and MIDI Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:39:37 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Message-ID: <970430173937.4714AAFCS.kjt@copper> References: <970421202556.388AAGhE.root@color> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII With help from various people I got MIDI working with an MPU-401 compatible sound card. (It was a fiddle to get IRQs and port addresses not to clash.) But on NS 3.3 at least, I can't get multi-track files played properly (they rapidly become unsynchronised). I strongly suspect the MIDI driver. Various people told me that MIDI would probably not work if the same sound card were under the control of the sound driver. Disabling the sound driver made no difference for me. Ken Turner <kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk>
From: michael@curie (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dread and dwrite problems Date: 30 Apr 1997 19:22:49 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5k8669$2dk@corporate.hesta.com> I am having some flaky behavior on one of our systems running 3.3intel. When I try to dread or dwrite I get the following: # dread -l dread: Can't open defaults database # dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /LocalLibrary/Images/LoginScreens/nextlogin.Computerstack.4.0.tiff dwrite: Couldn't write into database # Plus it's the only terminal that won't show the hostname in the prompt line - which leads me to believe theirs something fishy... Any sugestions? -- Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Hawaiian NeXT users to share some info ? Message-ID: <E9GpCs.1H8@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:46:03 GMT Hi, I am looking for some NeXT users living on Hawaii who are willing to share some information with me. I suspect that Apples WWDC will unviel some really cool details about Rhapsody. But since I will be staying on Hawaii during that time...and don't have any internet connection over there on my own...I would like to know if there are any NeXT users (or is there a user group ?) on these islands which would share their information with me...show me the new press releases and that like. Being the maintain of one of the Rhapsody related web sites (TheMerger) I am really interested if my pages are still containing valid information or if they are exorbitantly wrong. Thanx for any contacts. Aloha Tomi _________________________________________________________ Tomi Engel, tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (NeXTMail welcome) Apple & NeXT...check: http://asterix.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/TheMerger/
From: me@turbocube.oro.net (My Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need to find Printing Service Bureau for NeXT Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:23:58 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <5k8gpu$c36@li.oro.net> Looking for any printing service bureau that can print material made on a NeXT system. Prefer one that can receive pages by NeXTmail or FTP. Can send hard copy disks if need be. Let me know who does this work and where I can reach them. Thanks Tom
From: sroller@txpsmc.seanet.com (Steve Roller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help regarding Modem Cable for a 040 Cube Date: 1 May 1997 00:15:33 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Message-ID: <5k8nb5$fb@q.seanet.com> References: <01bc4da8$d497e4a0$115a68ce@jspears.onramp.net> Cc: jspears@weston.com In <01bc4da8$d497e4a0$115a68ce@jspears.onramp.net> "Wes Spears" wrote: > If you have one or know where I can pick one up, please let me know. <snip> Hi Wes, Visit: http://www.radical.com/TheHome/TheSolutions/RadicalSolution6.html Then call somebody to build it for you. I called Diane at Cables to Go 1-800-826-7904 and asked her to build several for our Puget Sound NeXT Users Group. She charged only $12 per cable! Their web site is http://www.cablestogo.com Steve Roller ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen V. Roller <sroller@roller.seanet.com> Stop by and visit at: Puget Sound NeXT Users Group http://www.seattle.net/~nextpsug/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: cdl@proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: printing multiple copies Date: 1 May 1997 01:42:14 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5k8sdm$h7e$1@news1.ucsd.edu> I find that asking for multiple copies using the NeXT Print Panel does not work with one of my printers. It is an HP LaserJet 5MP, connected to the Ethernet with a Lantronix MPS1 print server. Operating system is NeXTstep 3.3. If I manually create a PostScript file containing the Level 1 PostScript command: /#copies 2 def or the Level 2 PostScript command: << /NumCopies 2>> setpagedevice and send it to the printer ( % lpr -Plj5 file2.ps) I get two copies. If I remove the request for 2 copies from the PostScript file, and print it through the print spooler requesting 2 copies ( % lpr -Plj5 -#2 file1.ps) I get only one copy. The manual for the MPS1 states that it does not implement the multiple-copy option of lpd printing. My deduction is that the NeXT Print Panel is invoking a command of the form % lpr -#2 .... when asked to print two copies, rather than inserting a multiple-copy request into the PostScript file. Is there any way to verify this, or change it? carl --- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein@ucsd.edu
From: Theodore J. Allen Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] NEXTSTEP/Intel and MIDI Date: 1 May 1997 02:39:48 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <5k8vpk$4pnk@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <970421202556.388AAGhE.root@color> <970430173937.4714AAFCS.kjt@copper> kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk (Ken Turner) wrote: > With help from various people I got MIDI working with an MPU-401 compatible > sound card. (It was a fiddle to get IRQs and port addresses not to clash.) But > on NS 3.3 at least, I can't get multi-track files played properly (they rapidly > become unsynchronised). I strongly suspect the MIDI driver. Various people told > me that MIDI would probably not work if the same sound card were under the > control of the sound driver. Disabling the sound driver made no difference for > me. > > Ken Turner <kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk> I've had no trouble with MIDI under 3.3. I'm using the latest MIDI driver from CCRMA. (It's in the latest version of Sequence.app on ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu.) I'm using an MPU-401 board from Music Quest as well as the Ensoniq SoundScape. MidiPlayer.app works fine for both internal and external MIDI. Only Sequence.app seems to mess up my machine, sometime requiring a reboot to have the sound work properly again. By the way, try the new MMP.app. It works great and doesn't require a MIDI driver. The only thing about it is that it sometimes plays files with much slower tempi than I think they should be played and it's not adjustable. -- Ted Allen, Ph.D. High Energy Physics University of Wisconsin-Madison tjallen@wishep.physics.wisc.edu http://theory1.physics.wisc.edu/~tjallen/
From: Rich@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: All writers seeking publication Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:59:26 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5k90tl$m6c@chile.earthlink.net> Now*accepting <new> and <previously published> writers for publication. We are a NEW=YORK based international literary agency with three offices: 2 in NEW=YORK and one in <FLORIDA.> <Please follow guidelines for submission:> For ALL fiction, including screenplays for TV & Movies: Send us a <brief synopsis>, the first chapter, and include a self-addressed, stamped envelope=S.A.S.E. Short Stories: Send brief synopsis, 3 pages, S.A.S.E. Poetry: Send 3 poems, S.A.S.E. For ALL nonfiction: Send us a <brief synopsis>, the first chapter, and include a S.A.S.E. Do not send complete manuscript unless invited. <WOODSIDE=INTERNATIONAL=LITERARY=AGENCY> <Thirty Three Twenty Nine 58 St.> <Wood-Side, New York> <zip: 1.1.3.7.7> <(Tel)=={718}=651=8145>
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From: ATL2@lehigh.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXHost to/from another domain Date: 1 May 1997 18:32:34 GMT Organization: Lehigh University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> Hi all! Anyone know if it's possible to -NXHost to a machine in another domain? Cheers! Alex ATL2@lehigh.edu
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXHost to/from another domain Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:38:21 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123727.26749C-100000@kira> References: <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: ATL2@lehigh.edu In-Reply-To: <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> > Anyone know if it's possible to -NXHost to a machine in another domain? Conceivably, yes, assuming that PublicWindowServer is on/PrivateWindowServer is off and no filtering is being done... TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep 4.1: move dock to left side of screen? Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:40:19 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123835.26749D-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, I know it's weird.... but I started using the left-justified dock a couple years ago under NS and really prefer it. I can't seem to find a dwrite for it under OpenStep (it's not the same as NS :-( I found one that controls the Y position, but the X doesn't seem to budge... Clues? TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> < Greatly pleased with his NSFIP from Bifrost > http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: enpdp@bath.ac.uk (D Pidcock) Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: School of Mechanical Engineering, University of Bath, UK Message-ID: <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:11:11 GMT In article <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie>, Daniel Keating <dkeating@maths.kst.dit.ie> writes: > Ling Wang wrote: >> >> Patrick Bartek wrote: >> > >> > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. >> >> Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would >> make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I >> of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! You do the maths. 50,000 MFlops divided by 16382 gives 3.05 MFlops per CPU. Which is what Ling said. - Dan -- D.Pidcock@bath.ac.uk : http://www.bath.ac.uk/~enpdp/home.html +44 1225 826826 x5961
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What kind of RAM in a turbo color slab Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 01:24:39 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <33697A91.5962@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a turbo color slab and I just swapped memory between it and my intel-box. The Intel box runs fine with the 2 8-meg SIMMs from the NeXT but the NeXT reports parity errors and hangs. I've tried resetting the NVRAM by pulling the battery but to no avail. (the parity error message on the ROM monitor has been replaced by the much less helpfull "System has failed startup tests" message on the graphical startup screen) Neither the 8-Meg SIMMs that came out of the NeXT nor the 16-Meg SIMMs that came out of the intel-box seem to have parity (the 8-Meg SIMMs are double sided with 8 chips per side while the 16-Meg SIMMs are single sided and have only 8 chips total) so I'm a little puzzled by the parity error. I seem to remember that the ROM monitor preferences command had an option to use parity checking if parity memory was installed. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any help. - Jeff Dutky
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXHost to/from another domain Date: 2 May 1997 16:03:22 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5kd38a$4gn$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123727.26749C-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > > >> Anyone know if it's possible to -NXHost to a machine in another domain? > >Conceivably, yes, assuming that PublicWindowServer is >on/PrivateWindowServer is off and no filtering is being done... > >TjL > > I have done this across the internet. But, it can be very very ssslloooowwww.... You need latencies of less than 100ms and transfer rates greater than 50kb/s in order for it to be more than just an interesting exercise. --Ryan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: NXHost to/from another domain Message-ID: <E9JxMr.2z5@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:37:39 GMT In article <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> ATL2@lehigh.edu writes: > Hi all! > > Anyone know if it's possible to -NXHost to a machine in another domain? > Got nothing to do with domains. It is an IP service and any rule for IP services apply (i.e. the network must be reachable and the port must not be filtered out). If the other machine has the Public Window Server option set and the client knows how to translate the hostname into an IP address... There must be a good reason if even NeXT is warning of the perils of this option ;-) And since PostScript has filesystem manipulation as one of its features... -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Can I use old versions of NS ? Message-ID: <E9Jwzz.2xq@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <3364F18C.47715258@elf.stuba.sk> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:23:59 GMT In article <3364F18C.47715258@elf.stuba.sk> Michal Bencur <bencur@elf.stuba.sk> writes: > I've got a possiblity to buy NextStep 2.? version. > I want to ask if it is possible to use it now, > as I know NS3.3 is usable, now you are migrating to 4.X. > So is 2.X OK, or it's too old and a lot of apps will not > work ? > This needs a definition of the term "usability". If you mean "it works and is good for something" the answer is yes. If you mean "is able to take advantage of recent enhancements and can be part of current development" the answer is no. IMHO, anything prior to NS 3.3 (possibly NS 3.2 on black) is nothing more than a collectible item for NEXTSTEP affectionados. But I also believe that a OS 4.x upgrade is hardly justifyable for users and even needs a closer look for developers. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
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Print these pages out now so that you may refer to this article at a later date. try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be! REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE BIG BUCKS!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOUW ILL BE MORE THAN GENEROUSLY REWARDED! P.S. if you try to decieve people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and thats after 2 months) then he sent the five bills and was added to their lists. In 4-5 weeks, he had in excess of $10,000. Good luck! <Picture>
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From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Info] More than 2,000 pages about NEXTSTEP Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:04:17 GMT Organization: Korea Telecom Message-ID: <970503050417.584AAGhE.root@color> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII [Info] More than 2,000 pages about NEXTSTEP You can get any info about following softwares and hardwares, but You need to know Korean language. . NEXTSTEP 3.3J, OPENSTEP 4.1J, Rhapsody, Korean Languge Kit. . Graphics: TIFFany, solidThingking, Creat, SuperDraw, Virtuoso, OneVision... . Internet: Omniweb, Gatekeeper, PPP 2.3, HNNews, RadicalNews... . NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP hardwares, . And Business, Commuications, Tools, Network, Utilities, Music, Mathematics...etc. You can use more than 2,000 pages about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody. Regards, younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, SGI O2 Q&A board written in Korean)
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need to find Printing Service Bureau for NeXT Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 20:24:14 -0400 Organization: University At Buffalo Message-ID: <336A85AE.37C2@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <5k8gpu$c36@li.oro.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi To: tj@oro.net My Account wrote: > > Looking for any printing service bureau that can print material made on a > NeXT system. Prefer one that can receive pages by NeXTmail or FTP. Can > send hard copy disks if need be. > > Let me know who does this work and where I can reach them. > > Thanks > > Tom I suggest you talk to the people at GSCorp: http://www.gscorp.com/ For slides: I have had excellent results using Concurrence to output to EPS files (for slides) and attaching those to a MIME message sent to the folks at Elegant Graphics http://www.slides.com They have excellent service and you can send them the files in a variety of ways (ftp, e-mail, media). I am not affiliated with Elegant Graphics, just a satisfied customer. -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need to find Printing Service Bureau for NeXT Date: 3 May 1997 03:51:32 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5keco4$qfd$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5k8gpu$c36@li.oro.net> <336A85AE.37C2@arch.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <336A85AE.37C2@arch.buffalo.edu> On 05/02/97, jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote: >My Account wrote: >> >> Looking for any printing service bureau that can print material made on a >> NeXT system. Prefer one that can receive pages by NeXTmail or FTP. Can >> send hard copy disks if need be. >> >> Let me know who does this work and where I can reach them. >> >> Thanks >> >> Tom > >I suggest you talk to the people at GSCorp: > > http://www.gscorp.com/ > You can also check Stepwise.. http://www2.stepwise.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Stepwise/ISVs There is a list of savvy service bureaus there. If you know of any that are good, get the information to me and I'll add it. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q:How to make a bootable headless cube Date: 2 May 1997 17:58:31 GMT Organization: Ensuing Technologies Distribution: world Message-ID: <5kda07$mm8@enok.ensuing.com> I have a NeXT cube that I would like to run headless. I seem to recall that long ago someone posted a description of a circut that would allow you to do this, does anyone know where that would be? Also didn't someone make a product that would do this? Any and all pointers appreciated. -- Karl Kraft NeXT/Mac Developer karl@ensuing.com http://www.relada.com/ (Play Java games online)
From: Peter Sung <fantasia@hula.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: All you need is to invest $5 for a FORTUNE!!! ACT NOW!!! Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 04:06:47 -0700 Organization: Hula Net, Inc. Hawaii's Newest Internet Provider Message-ID: <336B1C47.67EC@hula.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="income.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="income.txt" A little while back, I was browsing these newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $5.00! So I thought, "Yeah, right, this must be a scam," but like most of us I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 5 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what have I got to lose except 5 stamps and $5.00, right? Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with my country Post Office, and others had with US Post (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then I invested the measly $5.00............. Well GUESS WHAT!!... with in 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it another thought. But the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $20.00 to $30.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in ....... It's certainly worth $5.00, and 5 stamps, I spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, Why it works....also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. The process is very simple and consists of 3 easy steps: STEP 1: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 5 $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 5 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 5 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 5 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL! Mail the 5 envelopes to the following addresses: #1 B.C. Smith P.O. Box 170 Greenland, AR 72703 #2 Beddingfield, Bobby 12404 Nokesville Road P.O. Box 40 Nokesville, Va 22123 #3 Keen, Callye 44181 Bristow Circle Ashburn, VA 20147 #4 Tom, BDB. Via Damiano Chiesa 10 00010 Marcellina (Roma) Italy #5 H. J. Sung 1839 Keeaumoku St. Honolulu, HI 96822-3004 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 5 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there is close to 25,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! Don't know HOW to post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the following: FOR NETSCAPE USERS: 1) Click on any newsgroup, like normal. Then click on "To News", which is in the top left corner of the newsgroup page. This will bring up a message box. 2) Fill in the SUBJECT with a flashy title, like the one I used, something to catch the eye!!! 3) Now go to the message part of the box and retype this letter exactly as it is here, with exception of your few changes. (remember to add your name to number 5 and move the rest up) 4) When your done typing in the WHOLE letter, click on 'FILE' above the send button. Then, 'SAVE AS..' DO NOT SEND YOUR ARTICLE UNTILL YOU SAVE IT. (so you don't have to type this 200 times :-) 5) Now that you have saved the letter, go ahead and send your first copy! (click the 'SEND' button in the top left corner) 6) This is where you post all 200! OK, go to ANY newsgroup article and click the 'TO NEWS' button again. Type in your flashy subject in the 'SUBJECT BOX', then go to the message and place your cursor here. Now click on 'ATTACHMENT' which is right below the 'SUBJECT BOX'. Click on attach file then find your letter wherever you saved it. Click once on your file then click 'OPEN' then click 'OK'. If you did this right, you should see your filename in the 'ATTACHMENT BOX' and it will be shaded. NOW POST AWAY! FOR INTERNET EXPLORER: It's just as easy, holding down the left mouse button, highlight this entire article, then press the 'CTRL' key and 'C' key at the same time to copy this article. Then print the article for your records to have the names of those you will be sending $1.00 to. Go to the newsgroups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE' type in your flashy subject and click the large window below. Press 'CTRL' and 'V' and the article will appear in the message window. **BE SURE TO MAKE YOUR ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE 5 NAMES.** Now re-highlight the article and re-copy it so you have the changes.... then all you have to do for each newsgroup is 'CTRL' and 'V' and press 'POST'. It's that easy!! THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** **If these instructions are too complex to follow, try Forte’s "Free Agent." It is freeware for noncommercial use. To download it, simply use a search utility and type "Forte Free Agent". You should be able to find it.** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you con invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** --- Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #5 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #4 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #3 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #2 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #1 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! With a original investment of only $5.00! AMAZING! And as I said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20 to 30! So lets put those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is what you will make: at #5 $15.00 at #4 $225.00 at #3 $3,375.00 at #2 $50,625.00 at #1 $759,375.00 When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $5.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 5 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is that thousands of people all over the world are joining the Internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $5.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of extra CASH. **By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the money to the rest of the people already on the list, you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This is the fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing anything but our time!!! Don't listen to the people that don't trust it and continue to say it's illegal and don't work... They are just too much skeptics. You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future dollars. Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again...
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <25195862113623@digifix.com> Date: 4 May 1997 03:59:04 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <851862718425@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: "John D. Kaminsky" <kaminsky@virginia.edu> Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: University of Virginia References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:07:09 GMT > You do the maths. 50,000 MFlops divided by 16382 gives 3.05 MFlops > per CPU. Which is what Ling said. Wherever he got this information I have no idea. Cray's biggest machine to date is 4096 processors, currently being built for Los Alamos National Lab to model Nuclear explosions. According to Cray, a current T3E-900 with 450mhz processors runs at 504 Megaflops per processor. The T3E-900 can handle up to 2048 processors, with an estimated performance of >1 TeraFlop. You guys shouldn't get so crabby about math when the information you are starting with is totally bogus.
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXHost to/from another domain Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 18:09:39 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Development - Illinois State University, Bloomington-Normal, USA Message-ID: <336E7698.57A4@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <5kank2$13km@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> <E9JxMr.2z5@nidat.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Nitezki wrote: > There must be a good reason if even NeXT is warning of the perils of this > option ;-) And since PostScript has filesystem manipulation as one of its > features... Hmm, so when do we get Secure DPS services? Rhapsody? :) Quake sure is fun to play over the network...NXHosting should be fun too...XHosting is. -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11--MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D--Instructional Technology Development--Illinois State University "I first saw NEXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away."-Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc CEO VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
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From: greg davis <gregor@crosslink.net> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Hp 820-70 or Epson 800 inkjets on a NeXTstation 3.1 machine Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 12:11:55 -0400 Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <3370A9CB.47E7@crosslink.net> References: <01bc5a46$873f1480$d3463181@arty-s-win95.sunysb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dkat wrote: > > Does anyone know if you can install an Epson or HP inkjet on a NeXTstation > (black) machine that is running 3.1 without using something like > Ghostscript (tried it - can't get it to work and it is real ugly if you are > used to NeXT or Win95)? Is there an upgrade for NeXTstep that will handle > these printers and if so what is the lowest upgrade (I don't want to change > the basic look and use of the machine since it is for someone that does not > have time to deal with the differences)? Thanks, DK One alternative is to run a Hewlett-Packard Jet Direct box out of the ethernet port. It isn't the cheapest solution, but depending which model you get (1 or 3 outputs) you can run any parallel port output printer at network transfer speeds, and any machine (if you are on a local network) can access the printer(s). GS Corp had an excellent Epson driver for the 500, and that should drive the 800 as well. The downside there is that they are no longer selling license keys for their most excellent product any longer, as far as I know. Jet Pilot is still current but I've never used it, but it will work in conjunction with the Jet Direct box. BTW, a single port box is $225 or so street price, and the EX model is about $375. Lotsa luck Gregor
From: stephen@ccc1.tamu.edu (Stephen Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT hardware support? Date: 7 May 1997 21:18:44 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Message-ID: <5kqrjk$kdu@news.tamu.edu> References: <dwagleyE99C25.2Gr@netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1997 21:18:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <dwagleyE99C25.2Gr@netcom.com> On 04/26/97, Doug Wagley wrote: >Is anyone still providing maintenance for NeXT hardware? I have an unhappy >NeXT laser printer that has developed a high pitched whine and waits a very >long time before feeding the sheet. It then just prints a thin horizontal >smear across the paper. I'm in the metro Denver area. If anybody knows >who could provide service please let me know. > > Thanks, > Doug > > dwagley@netcom.com > Here is a page that does have some do it yourself printer repair notes: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html and here is a company that does repairs and has refurbished ones: Printer Works 800-225-6116, fax 510-786-0589 attn: Doug x713 3481 Arden Road Hayward, CA 94545 This is the 'official' NeXT hardware company: Decision One (Bell Atlantic) 800-499-6398 fax 510-266-3078 -- --- Stephen Johnson, sjohnson@myriad.net Computer Consulting Intl, LTD PO Box 1046 College Station, TX 77841 409-778-4717
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Swap Drives in A Cube Date: 6 May 1997 16:53:14 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5knnlq$53f$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> My main Fujitsu 2263 drive started playing games after 6 years of continuous spinning. (sometimes waits for aver to start etc, I'amm afraid to restart the machine). So, I ordered a couple of SCSI II new drives. The question is: Is there a procedure documented anywhere that describes a painless way to mirror the old drive to the new and swap them ? Thanks immensely for your help, --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Wanted: Cube (Any condition, Any model) Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 01:56:40 -0400 Organization: IDT Message-ID: <336EC818.CCC@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Netters, The subject says it all. I basically need a Cube case and the Power Supply. I can take the whole package if needed. Any condition welcome but I would at least prefer the power supply to be working. So if you have one that's collecting dust in the closet, send it my way. Thanks. Regards, Samuel Chow
From: "dkat" <dkat@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Hp 820-70 or Epson 800 inkjets on a NeXTstation 3.1 machine Date: 6 May 1997 17:55:52 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bc5a46$873f1480$d3463181@arty-s-win95.sunysb.edu> Does anyone know if you can install an Epson or HP inkjet on a NeXTstation (black) machine that is running 3.1 without using something like Ghostscript (tried it - can't get it to work and it is real ugly if you are used to NeXT or Win95)? Is there an upgrade for NeXTstep that will handle these printers and if so what is the lowest upgrade (I don't want to change the basic look and use of the machine since it is for someone that does not have time to deal with the differences)? Thanks, DK
From: see@address.in.signature (Martiin-Gilles Lavoie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Wanted: Cube (Any condition, Any model) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:49:12 -0500 Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <see-0705971349130001@204.191.6.55> References: <336EC818.CCC@idt.net> In article <336EC818.CCC@idt.net>, Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: > Dear Netters, > > The subject says it all. I basically need a Cube case and the Power > Supply. I can take the whole package if needed. Any condition > welcome but I would at least prefer the power supply to be working. > > So if you have one that's collecting dust in the closet, send it my > way. Thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Samuel Chow Orb sells Cube in working order (as well as other black equipment). They also sell parts. Check them out at www.orb.com. -- Martin-Gilles Lavoie | "No! Try not. Do! or do not mouser@zercom.net | There is no try." www.zercom.net/~mouser/ | --Yoda on error handling
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Have you seen www.next.com ? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 05:25:12 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970509052153.19561A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "Welcome to Apple Enterprise Software Group formertly NeXT Software, Inc" Interesting... TjL ps -- wwdc attendees get a free development tools.... see http://www8.zdnet.com/macweek/mw_1118/nw_openstep.html (thanks to StepWise for showing me this!)
From: rmuise@bnr.ca (Richard Muise ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 9 May 1997 13:21:14 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5kv8ca$c86@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> Originator: rmuise@bcarsd8f In article <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu>, pxpst2+@pitt.edu (peter) writes: |> In article <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu>, kaminsky@virginia.edu wrote: |> |> |> |> > Wherever he got this information I have no idea. Cray's biggest machine |> > to date is 4096 processors, currently being built for Los Alamos |> > National Lab to model Nuclear explosions. |> |> I think that you are mistaken. The teraflop machine is a intel piece of |> shit built using 32 bit chips Pentium Pros running a hack of Unikos. I |> could be confussing it with a DOE computer but it costed over 60 million |> to build and is not scalar but is capable of teraflop calculations with |> its 7000 processors. you are wrong. There is more than one machine in the ASCI program. Intel has delivered most of the first machine to Sandia. It has 9200 processors not 7000. It cost around $45 million US at the time of contract signing. It will have a main memory of over 500GB (which is pretty damn amazing, and may have increased the purchase price). I'm not sure why you think it's not scalar. I assume that you correctly were pointing out that on pure serial code, it is only as fast as a single PPro (where as the large Cray vectors are much faster at serial code, but are not as fast on huge vector data sets). |> What a fucking wate of good money. Crays do that for half the cost. No they don't. In fact i believe the Cray Teraflops machine is around the $110 for the 3Teraflops computer and the 1 teraflop upgrade due at the end of the decade. |> The fastest Cray that I know of is at Pittsburgh SuperComputing Center and |> has 512 PEs , half are 300 and half are 450. wrong again. There are two 512 processor machines at PSC. One is the T3D (with 150Mhz Dec Alpha 21064A i think), and the other is the monster T3E-900 with 450Mhz 21164A processors. |> The Cray T3D was delivered to the Los Alamos Advanced Computing Laboratory |> in June 1994. It is a 128-processor machine that will be used primarily |> for collaborative research with industry. wrong again. There are two Cray T3D's at Los Alamos, one has 256 processors, the other 512 processors. |> Last year, over 50 percent of NSF's supercomputing was done at PSC on T3D |> named MARIO i have no way of verifying this, but have doubts about it. for now i'll assume that you are right however. -r. rmuise@nortel.ca
From: steffi@dgs.dgsys.com (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Openstep T-Shirt at last Saturdays Austin Powers 9:15pm Date: 9 May 1997 10:36:42 -0400 Organization: Digital Gateway Systems Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5kvcpq$pir@dgs.dgsys.com> Who was the gentleman wearing the OpenStep T-Shirt at last Saturdays Austin Powers 9:15pm screening at the Multiplex cinema in Merryfield VA?
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Swap Drives in A Cube Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 6 May 1997 17:27:40 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5knpmc$an6$1@news.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5knnlq$53f$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> John Michopoulos (yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil) wrote: > My main Fujitsu 2263 drive started playing games after 6 years of > continuous spinning. (sometimes waits for aver to start etc, I'amm afraid > to restart the machine). So, I ordered a couple of SCSI II new drives. The > question is: Is there a procedure documented anywhere that describes a > painless way to mirror the old drive to the new and swap them ? Since you're using black hardware, you can simply use "Builddisk" from the /NextAdmin folder - that's the easiest way IMHO. You can proceed as follows: 0) MAKE A BACKUP :-) 1) prepare the new disk by giving it a SCSI id above the one your internal disk has (changing the internal id if it's set to zero of course). 2) power down the cube, attach new disk. 3) power up, log in as root. When prompted wether you wish to format the new disk, click yes. 4) give it a meaningful label :-) 5) doubleclick /NextAdmin/BuildDisk.app and use it. It's really simple.. 6) powerdown, change SCSI ids so that the new disk now has a lower id, and power on again. This gives you a bootable new disk, configured to match the original one. You can then copy over directories like /LocalApps and /User by simply dragging them from the other disk. Alternatively, replace step 5 with gnutar -c --exclude /NewDisk -psf - / | (cd /NewDisk; gnutar xpf -) this will copy the complete system. Of course, there are more complex ways to go about builing your new system, but following the above steps, you are the least likely to shoot yourself in the foot. :-) Feel free to send me personal email (sans the "nospam") if you have any questions. HTH, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: "Eric R. Balch" <ebalch@wrightstrat.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Improv for Intel? Date: 9 May 1997 19:42:08 GMT Organization: Wright Strategies Message-ID: <01bc5cb0$5fe6ec20$1293d4cc@grayslab.wrightstrat> References: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> Cache-Post-Path: optional.cts.com!unknown@204.212.147.18 No. However there was a version made for MS Windows 3.1 (big woop right?) Anyway, just thought you needed to know =;-) - Eric Zdzislaw H. "Stan" Lewantowicz <zlewanto@stan.donet.com> wrote in article <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com>... > Was a version of Lotus Improv offered for Intel NeXTStep? If so, how can one > obtain a copy? > > Currently am ruuning a version on my trusty Cube 040, but am slowly migrating > to an Intel NS3.3 platform. > > Ditto for FrameMaker 3.2 > > Stan >
From: pxpst2+@pitt.edu (peter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 9 May 1997 19:24:03 GMT Organization: Univ.of Pittsburgh Distribution: world Message-ID: <pxpst2+-0905971531040001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> <5kv8ca$c86@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> > > |> The fastest Cray that I know of is at Pittsburgh SuperComputing Center and > |> has 512 PEs , half are 300 and half are 450. > > wrong again. There are two 512 processor machines at PSC. One is the T3D (with 150Mhz Dec Alpha 21064A i think), and the other is the monster T3E-900 with 450Mhz 21164A processors. You are very presumptive. If you check PSC's homepage you will find that you are indeed wrong and I am RIGHT. > |> The Cray T3D was delivered to the Los Alamos Advanced Computing Laboratory > |> in June 1994. It is a 128-processor machine that will be used primarily > |> for collaborative research with industry. > > wrong again. There are two Cray T3D's at Los Alamos, one has 256 processors, the other 512 processors. That info came right out off the LOS ALAMOS LAB homepage so either you do not know what you are talking about or LOS ALAMOS does not know what they have Itend to believe you are simply presumptive > > |> Last year, over 50 percent of NSF's supercomputing was done at PSC on T3D > |> named MARIO > > i have no way of verifying this, but have doubts about it. for now i'll assume that you are right however. check with NSF. All NSF centers (4 total) were just reveiwed due to the reallocation of funds and the elimination of two supercomputing centers. The claim to fame for PSC is that they have the fastest non government owned computers in the world. > rmuise@nortel.ca
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for: USRobotics init strings (Sportster) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:39:34 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970509113446.4077A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com Hey folks... I'm just looking for folks who are using USRobotics Sportster modems and what init strings they are using... I'm wondering if there are better ones than the ones I'm using which I got from kermit: 'ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3' ATS2=43 ATS7=255 AT&K1' AT&M4&B1 Thanks TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
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From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A GUARANTEED MONEY MAKER!! Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 04:55:01 PDT Organization: Internet Communications Inc. Message-ID: <5l19mv$sck$4725@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> E-Mail Your Way To Riches! Dear Friend, We all know E-mail is here to stay. It's fun, easy and exciting! Would you be interested if we could show you a way to make well over $1,000 per week doing it? This is not a joke. You may have seen many people trying to tell you that you can make money by joining this or that scheme! Guess what, you decide to go for it and then you get nothing but frustration and disappointment! We are here to take your frustration and disappointment into an Electrifying Adventure! We have been marketing on-line for almost 2 years now! We have never spent one red penny on advertising and made nothing but profits. We can show you how to make money every day of the year. Many people may think this is untrue or it just can't be done. 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We ordered your Creative E-mail System and within the first week we received over $1,150 in orders for my Internet Consulting business! --Charles -- California I have bought two so-called E-mail programs that cost me over $600.00 when I received them. They were extremely difficult to operate and it took me about two weeks to figure them out. Once I did, they were so time consuming it just wasn't worth my time. When I received your course it took me about four minutes to install and I was in business! Within the first 24 hours of my first E-mailing I received over $580.00 in sales over the phone. That first week I grossed over $2,000.00! I really can't believe how easy you made this, anyone can do it! Thanks! --Dennis -- Illinios Hello, I'm a divorced mother of two children. I wanted to thank you for helping me out. This was my first time buying anything on the Internet. I was skeptical at first but I figured I'd take a chance. This was the best chance I've ever took! My part-time business is now a full-time home-business, thanks to your Creative E-mail System. I had to hire my two family members to help me out! This is GREAT, thanks so much! I'd recommend this for anyone! --Ellen -- Florida You may have seen other people offering products "E-mail Programs, E-mail Addresses, Extractors, Etc." The vast majority of these products are very over-priced and very difficult to even use. None of them even supply you with current, up-to-date, FRESH & RESPONSIVE E-mail addresses! Our Creative E-mail System puts everything into one package to make your profits soar immediately! Even if you do not have a product or service to offer, we are going to give you over 500 how-to reports that you will have full reprint rights to! What makes our course different from anything else being offered anywhere is that we're dedicated to your success! We do not succeed unless you succeed! All of our E-mail Address Databases are created in house. We do not trade our databases with anyone because people are selling extremely bad lists on the Internet. Many of other people's databases are filled with duplicate addresses and many of them are undeliverable. We keep our own database so we know exactly what we have and we keep nothing but the best. There's no other way. We believe in producing high quality products that should be priced reasonably for your success! Read on to see the special bonuses you will receive. ******** SPECIAL 10 DAY BONUS ******** If you order within the next 10 days we will include: 1) 500 How-To Reports ( You may resell these at any price ) 2) Your Personal Complete Guide To The Internet -- This 175 page e-book covers every single aspect of the internet. You will never have to buy another internet book! When you complete this book, you will know more about the internet than 90% of the people online right now. 3) When you purchase our 8 MILLION SUPER responsive E-mail list we will include Mega-Mailer. It sends 250,000 E-mails per hour! All other orders will receive Pegasus Mail. It mails about 30,000 per hour. Here's how to get the Creative E-Mail System: All orders are delivered on CD-ROM or 100mb Zip Disk ( Iomega ). ============> E-Mail Databases <================ 2 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $ 99.95 4 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $179.95 6 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $249.95 8 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $299.95 You will be sending your Marketing Letter to 2, 4, 6 or 8 MILLION People! To mail to 2 MILLION People by U.S. Mail at $.32 per stamp would cost $640,000.00, not including envelopes or paper! The price of 2 MILLION E-mail Addresses isn't even a fraction of the cost. And the great thing is that if you have 10 products, you can E-mail to your list as many times as you want to! Your profits will never stop soaring! Don't pay someone else to send your advertisement out, do it yourself and save big money! The average cost right now to send your ad one time to ONE MILLION people is $1,400.00. You can send it 100 times to EIGHT MILLION people for only $299.95 and that includes Mega-Mailer that sends 250,000 per hour! ===============> Order Form <=============== Yes, Internet Communications Inc., I wish to take you up on your SPECIAL 10 DAY OFFER FOR YOUR CREATIVE E-MAIL SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE TWO SPECIAL BONUSES: "Complete Internet Guide Book" and "500 How-To-Reports". I understand I have to completely fill out the order form so you can fulfill my order. Name:______________________________________ Address:____________________________________ City:_______________________________________ State:_______________________________________ Zip Code:____________________________________ Country:____________________________________ E-mail Address:_______________________________ Phone Number:_______________________________ I wish to pay by: ( Check One ) Check:____ Money Order:_____ ( Check One ) 2 Million______ 4 Million______ 6 Million______ 8 Million_______ *Remember the 8 MILLION Includes Mega-Mailer! Zip Disk:______ CD-ROM:______Total:_______________ Pegasus Mail ( WIN 3.1 ) ( WIN 95 ) ( MAC ) (Circle One ) ============================================================= We Accept Checks By Fax Simply Tape Your Check Here With The Above Order Form And Fax It To: 1-216-895-1930 If you have any questions please call customer service at: 1-216-895-1919 Fax: 1-216-895-1930 Phone: 1-216-895-1919 ============================================================= Make check or money order payable to: Internet Communications Mail check or Money Order to: Internet Communications 30628 Detroit Ave. Suite 295 Westlake, Ohio 44145 The entire contents of this message are copyrighted and protected by both United States copyright laws and international treaty provisions. None of the text in this message may ever be reproduced, in original or modified form, for commercial purposes, without express written permission by Internet Communications Inc.. 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From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sound recording problems. Date: 7 May 1997 04:20:01 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5kovth$abf@winter.erols.com> Hi, I have NS3.3/Intel. I am using a SoundBlaster 16 vibra card (non-PnP) and the latest versions of both the EISABus driver and the SoundBlaster16 driver. The problem is that I am having some trouble recording sounds using any application which records from the microphone. I also have Win95 on the machine and recording works fine. I have seen postings concerning a bug in NeXT's driver and I was wondering if there's any fix for this problem yet. Thanks very much for any help you may offer. Gregory John Casamento
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS April Quiz results, new May Quiz started Date: 3 May 1997 15:42:31 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet/PING Austria Message-ID: <5kfmd7$dha$1@news.Austria.EU.net> The SSS April Quiz has ended, the winners are drawn, and the new May Quiz has started NOW! For April results as well as for the new May quiz question, please visit http://members.ping.at/stefan/quiz.html Deadline for the new quiz is June 1. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer *or* LatinByrd license, or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://members.ping.at/stefan/
From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Make Money With Your Computer! Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 17:09:48 PDT Organization: Internet Communications Inc. Message-ID: <5l2koh$ipl$4738@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> E-Mail Your Way To Riches! Dear Friend, We all know E-mail is here to stay. It's fun, easy and exciting! Would you be interested if we could show you a way to make well over $1,000 per week doing it? This is not a joke. You may have seen many people trying to tell you that you can make money by joining this or that scheme! Guess what, you decide to go for it and then you get nothing but frustration and disappointment! We are here to take your frustration and disappointment into an Electrifying Adventure! We have been marketing on-line for almost 2 years now! We have never spent one red penny on advertising and made nothing but profits. We can show you how to make money every day of the year. Many people may think this is untrue or it just can't be done. We are here to tell you that it is absolutely not true. The biggest mistake people make about marketing on-line is that they sit and wait for people to contact them. You will never make it if this is your approach and we'll tell you why. There are over 60 MILLION people on-line right now, and seven new people logging on every minute of the day world-wide and everyone is offering something. So how do you get a potential client or a new customer before your competition does? The answer is simply " Creative E-mailing" and it WORKS! I'll tell you why. You're taking your product, service or idea directly to the market instead of waiting for the market to come to you! Here are a few testimonials we'd like to share with you ( They're all 100% TRUE! ): Internet Communications, my wife and I owe you so much. We ordered your Creative E-mail System and within the first week we received over $1,150 in orders for my Internet Consulting business! --Charles -- California I have bought two so-called E-mail programs that cost me over $600.00 when I received them. They were extremely difficult to operate and it took me about two weeks to figure them out. Once I did, they were so time consuming it just wasn't worth my time. When I received your course it took me about four minutes to install and I was in business! Within the first 24 hours of my first E-mailing I received over $580.00 in sales over the phone. That first week I grossed over $2,000.00! I really can't believe how easy you made this, anyone can do it! Thanks! --Dennis -- Illinios Hello, I'm a divorced mother of two children. I wanted to thank you for helping me out. This was my first time buying anything on the Internet. I was skeptical at first but I figured I'd take a chance. This was the best chance I've ever took! My part-time business is now a full-time home-business, thanks to your Creative E-mail System. I had to hire my two family members to help me out! This is GREAT, thanks so much! I'd recommend this for anyone! --Ellen -- Florida You may have seen other people offering products "E-mail Programs, E-mail Addresses, Extractors, Etc." The vast majority of these products are very over-priced and very difficult to even use. None of them even supply you with current, up-to-date, FRESH & RESPONSIVE E-mail addresses! Our Creative E-mail System puts everything into one package to make your profits soar immediately! Even if you do not have a product or service to offer, we are going to give you over 500 how-to reports that you will have full reprint rights to! What makes our course different from anything else being offered anywhere is that we're dedicated to your success! We do not succeed unless you succeed! All of our E-mail Address Databases are created in house. We do not trade our databases with anyone because people are selling extremely bad lists on the Internet. Many of other people's databases are filled with duplicate addresses and many of them are undeliverable. We keep our own database so we know exactly what we have and we keep nothing but the best. There's no other way. We believe in producing high quality products that should be priced reasonably for your success! Read on to see the special bonuses you will receive. ******** SPECIAL 10 DAY BONUS ******** If you order within the next 10 days we will include: 1) 500 How-To Reports ( You may resell these at any price ) 2) Your Personal Complete Guide To The Internet -- This 175 page e-book covers every single aspect of the internet. You will never have to buy another internet book! When you complete this book, you will know more about the internet than 90% of the people online right now. 3) When you purchase our 8 MILLION SUPER responsive E-mail list we will include Mega-Mailer. It sends 250,000 E-mails per hour! All other orders will receive Pegasus Mail. It mails about 30,000 per hour. Here's how to get the Creative E-Mail System: All orders are delivered on CD-ROM or 100mb Zip Disk ( Iomega ). ============> E-Mail Databases <================ 2 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $ 99.95 4 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $179.95 6 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $249.95 8 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $299.95 You will be sending your Marketing Letter to 2, 4, 6 or 8 MILLION People! To mail to 2 MILLION People by U.S. Mail at $.32 per stamp would cost $640,000.00, not including envelopes or paper! The price of 2 MILLION E-mail Addresses isn't even a fraction of the cost. And the great thing is that if you have 10 products, you can E-mail to your list as many times as you want to! Your profits will never stop soaring! Don't pay someone else to send your advertisement out, do it yourself and save big money! The average cost right now to send your ad one time to ONE MILLION people is $1,400.00. You can send it 100 times to EIGHT MILLION people for only $299.95 and that includes Mega-Mailer that sends 250,000 per hour! ===============> Order Form <=============== Yes, Internet Communications Inc., I wish to take you up on your SPECIAL 10 DAY OFFER FOR YOUR CREATIVE E-MAIL SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE TWO SPECIAL BONUSES: "Complete Internet Guide Book" and "500 How-To-Reports". I understand I have to completely fill out the order form so you can fulfill my order. Name:______________________________________ Address:____________________________________ City:_______________________________________ State:_______________________________________ Zip Code:____________________________________ Country:____________________________________ E-mail Address:_______________________________ Phone Number:_______________________________ I wish to pay by: ( Check One ) Check:____ Money Order:_____ ( Check One ) 2 Million______ 4 Million______ 6 Million______ 8 Million_______ *Remember the 8 MILLION Includes Mega-Mailer! Zip Disk:______ CD-ROM:______Total:_______________ Pegasus Mail ( WIN 3.1 ) ( WIN 95 ) ( MAC ) (Circle One ) ============================================================= We Accept Checks By Fax Simply Tape Your Check Here With The Above Order Form And Fax It To: 1-216-895-1930 If you have any questions please call customer service at: 1-216-895-1919 Fax: 1-216-895-1930 Phone: 1-216-895-1919 ============================================================= Make check or money order payable to: Internet Communications Mail check or Money Order to: Internet Communications 30628 Detroit Ave. Suite 295 Westlake, Ohio 44145 The entire contents of this message are copyrighted and protected by both United States copyright laws and international treaty provisions. None of the text in this message may ever be reproduced, in original or modified form, for commercial purposes, without express written permission by Internet Communications Inc.. We do authorize and encourage the forwarding of this message to interested parties, for the purpose of informing them of Internet Communications Inc. services.
From: Duncan<duncan@mm1.sprynet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FREE at home bussiness Date: 10 May 1997 21:10:12 GMT Organization: FCI Message-ID: <5l2o7k$sjq@lal.interserv.com> This is truly a great opportunity. With a little work, you can make a LOT of money!!!! http://freedomstarr.com/?GR9021010 for details. Just do it!!! ********************************************************************** This message has been sent using DYNAMIC MAIL. For more Information and Free Demo: http://www.freeyellow.com/members/concorde/index.html **********************************************************************
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From: aks@vnp.com (Allan Schougaard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Swap Drives in A Cube Date: 7 May 1997 18:19:28 GMT Organization: Pioneer Global Message-ID: <5kqh3g$gbf@wizard.pn.com> References: <5knpmc$an6$1@news.th-darmstadt.de> In article <5knpmc$an6$1@news.th-darmstadt.de> neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) writes: > John Michopoulos (yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil) wrote: > > My main Fujitsu 2263 drive started playing games after 6 years of > > continuous spinning. (sometimes waits for aver to start etc, I'amm afraid > > to restart the machine). So, I ordered a couple of SCSI II new drives. The > > question is: Is there a procedure documented anywhere that describes a > > painless way to mirror the old drive to the new and swap them ? > > Since you're using black hardware, you can simply use "Builddisk" > from the /NextAdmin folder - that's the easiest way IMHO. You can > proceed as follows: .. stuff deleted ... > Alternatively, replace step 5 with > gnutar -c --exclude /NewDisk -psf - / | (cd /NewDisk; gnutar xpf -) > this will copy the complete system. dump/restore might also be a way to preceed. --Allan
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Improv for Intel? Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:56:05 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970510145434.9036H-100000@kira> References: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> <E9xqA2.9C4@muaddib.m.isar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <E9xqA2.9C4@muaddib.m.isar.de> The real pain is that trying to NXHost Improv docs (.imp) via OpenSesame on my slab from my Intel doesn't seem to work.... I've got to open the app and then manually open the file.... unless I'm missing something.... TjL
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <851862718425@digifix.com> Date: 11 May 1997 03:58:28 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <8856863323226@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. 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From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5l2koh$ipl$4738@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Control: cancel <5l2koh$ipl$4738@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:35:41 +1 Organization: Internet Communications Inc. Message-ID: <cancel.5l2koh$ipl$4738@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> References: <5l2koh$ipl$4738@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "InternetCommunicationsInc" or "summary of auto-cancellations" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: Make Money With Your Computer!.
From: "Scott A. Perry" <sperry@os-knight.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help! Trying to install NextStep 3.3 on Sparc 5 w/dual ethernet Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:19:46 -0500 Organization: OS-Knight Corp. Message-ID: <33757312.1411@os-knight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help, I am trying to install NextStep 3.3 for Sparc on a Sparc 5 that has a SCSI/Ethernet SBus card in it. I try booting and it hangs on the network interface initialization. Are there any drivers that I can apply to get past this hump? (Removing the SBus card is not an option). Thanks in Advance. Desperately Seeking Solution, Scott A. Perry sperry@os-knight.com P.S. Could you please email me as I don't get a chance to read this group as often as I'd like (I just can't seem to get away from those 4 hours/night of sleep). Again, thanks. Scott
From: pxpst2+@pitt.edu (peter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 8 May 1997 15:22:29 GMT Organization: Univ.of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> In article <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu>, kaminsky@virginia.edu wrote: > Wherever he got this information I have no idea. Cray's biggest machine > to date is 4096 processors, currently being built for Los Alamos > National Lab to model Nuclear explosions. I think that you are mistaken. The teraflop machine is a intel piece of shit built using 32 bit chips Pentium Pros running a hack of Unikos. I could be confussing it with a DOE computer but it costed over 60 million to build and is not scalar but is capable of teraflop calculations with its 7000 processors. What a fucking wate of good money. Crays do that for half the cost. The fastest Cray that I know of is at Pittsburgh SuperComputing Center and has 512 PEs , half are 300 and half are 450. The Cray T3D was delivered to the Los Alamos Advanced Computing Laboratory in June 1994. It is a 128-processor machine that will be used primarily for collaborative research with industry. Last year, over 50 percent of NSF's supercomputing was done at PSC on T3D named MARIO According to Cray, a current > T3E-900 with 450mhz processors runs at 504 Megaflops per processor. The > T3E-900 can handle up to 2048 processors, with an estimated performance > of >1 TeraFlop. You guys shouldn't get so crabby about math when the > information you are starting with is totally bogus. Peter Pediaditakis pxpst2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: ** Craig Cook ** <cookca@cs.purdue.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone successfully get samba to compile? Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:53:03 -0500 Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970511105141.2859P-100000@lore.cs.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to compile samba and the make process crashes once the linking begins. Has anyone made it all the way through? If so - what compiler did you use, and what makefile settings. thanks Craig
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Improv for Intel? Date: 11 May 1997 14:53:58 -0400 Organization: Quick and Associates Message-ID: <5l54k6$jj6@papoose.quick.com> References: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> In article <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com>, Zdzislaw H. "Stan" Lewantowicz <zlewanto@stan.donet.com> wrote: >Was a version of Lotus Improv offered for Intel NeXTStep? If so, how can one >obtain a copy? > >Currently am ruuning a version on my trusty Cube 040, but am slowly migrating >to an Intel NS3.3 platform. Improv was never released FAT. Lighthouse Design made a quite good Improv-like spreadsheet called Quantrix. I have used that for 4-5 years now and have been quite happy with it. p.s. I hope LightHouse gets off the fence and decides to port their apps to Rhapsody. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Apple, we know the song's not written yet, ) | but could you at least hum a few more bars?
From: perkins@netmass.com (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: glib-c port Date: 11 May 1997 21:36:02 GMT Organization: Netmass Communications Distribution: world Message-ID: <5l5e42$k7f$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> I've been rather frustrated with the OS 4.1 compilation abilities. Seems that many apps won't compile under OPENStep. POSIX support is basically gone. Is anyone seriously and actively looking at a port of GNU's C library to OPENSTEP? Seems if we had glib-c and the lastest GNU compiler, we'd have the same compilation environment as is available in Linux. Please let me know your thoughts on the undertaking of such a port. It would be a large effort... do you think there is a need? Regards, Steve --- ============================================================== Stephen J. Perkins | NetMass Communications | perkins@netmass.com NeXT OS3.3 with PPP-2.3 | NeXT PPP-2.3 info at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
From: Uvtr@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: All Writers! Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:01:59 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5l5c3d$id8@chile.earthlink.net> Now*accepting <new> and <previously published> writers for publication. We are a NEW=YORK based international literary agency with three offices: 2 in NEW=YORK and one in <FLORIDA.> <Please follow guidelines for submission:> For ALL fiction, including screenplays for TV & Movies: Send us a <brief synopsis>, the first chapter, and include a self-addressed, stamped envelope=S.A.S.E. Short Stories: Send brief synopsis, 3 pages, S.A.S.E. Poetry: Send 3 poems, S.A.S.E. For ALL nonfiction: Send us a <brief synopsis>, the first chapter, and include a S.A.S.E. Do not send complete manuscript unless invited. <WOODSIDE=INTERNATIONAL=LITERARY=AGENCY> <Thirty Three Twenty Nine 58 St.> <Wood-Side, New York> <zip: 1.1.3.7.7> <(Tel)=={718}=651=8145> AFTER MAY 12, 1997, please submit your material to our branch office at: Woodside International Literary Agency 1190=North=Collier=Blvd. Marco Island, Florida zip: 34145 Tel: 941-642-9660
From: perkins@netmass.com (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPP Autodetection Experiment Date: 11 May 1997 22:04:09 GMT Organization: Netmass Communications Distribution: world Message-ID: <5l5fop$n2v$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> Hi all, I've been thinking a bit about the installation and configuration of PPP. I want to streamline this process for PPP-2.3. To this end, I have a request for you adventuresome types that have PPP access through commercial providers. Win95 came out a few years ago, and with it, an explosion of PPP usage. Since Win95 didn't intially come with anything like a 'chat' program (yes I know you can get one now), providers started using a PPP autodetection feature along with PAP or CHAP for authentication. Such a setup makes connection easy since all you have to do is dial the modem and start PPP. There is no "login sequence" to perform. If your provider supports Win95 clients (Yea... I know... who doesn't), I would like to request that you perform the following experiment: Make a new pppup script (maybe called pppup.test) that calls a new chat script. This chat script should simply dial the phone and wait for the CONNECT. In other words, it will be identical to your current chat script except that it doesn't have the login sequence stuff. Then, configure your system to use PAP or CHAP (whatever your provider requests). I am interested in hearing about the success or failure of your experiments. I suspect that most providers now support PPP autodetect (because of Win95) and I'm hoping that we can take advantage of this to simplify our lives! Thanks in advance for your comments! - Steve --- ============================================================== Stephen J. Perkins | NetMass Communications | perkins@netmass.com NeXT OS3.3 with PPP-2.3 | NeXT PPP-2.3 info at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
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From: Michael Taylor <mtaylor@aw.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:46:33 -0400 Organization: Alias|Wavefront Message-ID: <337249B9.D09E1C4B@aw.sgi.com> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Cray T3D was delivered to the Los Alamos Advanced Computing Laboratory > in June 1994. It is a 128-processor machine that will be used primarily > for collaborative research with industry. Cray has contracts to build bigger machines for them that haven't been delivered yet. It includes a 3,072 processor machine. See the following press release for more info: http://www.cray.com/PUBLIC/WHATS_NEW/COMPANY/OCT96/ASCI.html -- /\/\ike Taylor Alias|Wavefront Toronto
From: psybeast@pond.com (PsyBeast) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Just Got a NeXT "Cube" Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:18:29 -0500 Organization: the Dragon Distribution: inet Message-ID: <psybeast-ya02408000R1205970118290001@news.pond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As of Friday, I now have a NeXT "Cube" running around my apartment, ethernet that is. The only major problem at this stage of the game, is that I need a Clean New OS install. The cube came with what appears to be all the basic manuals, and a blank 256MB MO cartridge... and NOTHING else!!!! When I log on as root, the icons in my apps dock are generic icons, and I have NO /NextApps directory/folder... All I have is /NextDeveloper, Library, Tour... and therefor, NO services... I want to reformat the drive... and begin FRESH... I have files that have NOT been touched since 1990... I need an OS... I did manage to upgrade the cube to 28MBs of RAM, and it already comes with an '040 with a 660HD and MO drive... no floppy... I want to connect it to my existing HOME ethernet network, and turn it into a possible print/file server... I did get the NeXT LaserWriter with it... I already have a PMac 7100/66/2xCD/56MB RAM/1GB HD... MacIIci 32MB/250 HD/DayStar cache card... Mac SE 4/80... HP DeskWriter w/Mini EtherPrint box... all connected with Cat 5 to a Dayna MiniHub-8... I have spent a good part of the weekend reading what I have in print, including the "Upgrading to Release 2.0", and I have surfed the various Net homepages, and found some GREAT FUTURE INFO... but, I have a really operating OS... In my searches, I was not able to find a place, where I could download ANY version... Did I miss something?? At NeXTes homepage, I found the multiple-K stuff without a problem, I am NOT an Enterprise... I just want to get a simple basic OS... Bonuses would be WriteNow... Mathematica... Websters... etc... I have emailed the folks at NeXT... and seeing it was the weekend, I really did not expect to hear anything til Monday... I did get an AutoAnswer from there mailer... Where can I find and OS!! I am willing to spend a couple hundred bucks for a LEGAL copy (factory sealed). Or, I do have a T1 at work and a major credit card... SCSI storage is NOT a problem... I carry a 3.2GBs HD around for work... I also have a 7300/180 with 2GBs... At home, externally, there is a 500HD, 1GB HD, 230HD 3.5" MO, 45MB SyQuest, and a 1xCD... I am also planning to hookup a TeleBit T-3000... In the new apartment, I'm looking at ISDN... July 1st time frame... In the new apartment, it looks like there will be at least three WinTels; 386/Win3.X, 486/Win95, 596/NT4 added to the HomeNet... Looking to go to TCP/IP... Again, after all that background info, I come back to my basic question... Where can I get a LEGAL version of a NeXT OS that will run on a NeXT 040/28MB RAM/660MB HD/256MB MO???? I you have any other comments, please send them along to me... Please don't spam... If I did miss something... Sorry, but I could not easily find it in the FAQs online... I have done some reading in my life, and I generally enjoy useful, practical information... I also submit the above with the knowledge that MacOS 8.0 is just around the corner, and Rhapsody's light might just be seen at the end of the WWDC next week's tunnel. Thanks in advance, Psybeast psybeast@pond.com www.pond.com/~psybeast ----- "He who has imagination without learning has wings but no feet" - Chinese future cookie
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pentium Pro Motherboard Help Date: 9 May 1997 01:54:38 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5ku04u$adl@bolivia.earthlink.net> I want to upgrade my Pentium 90 system to a PPro 200MHz system. I was considering two motherboards the..... ASUS P6NP5 & SuperMicro P6SNE. If there are any others that are recommended instead, please let me know. I was wondering if these are compatible with NeXTSTep 3.3 and if there are any problems. Would there be any conflicts with the following hardware? Diamond Stealth 2mb VRAM ProAudio sound card Adaptec 2940 SCSI card USRobotics 33.6 modem. Thanks for the help. Please respond to quinonez@ucla.edu -- _____________________________________________ G. Quinonez, MD <quinonez@ucla.edu> NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: mrhuey@wizvax.wizvax.net (Ramsay D. Seielstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:38:35 -0400 Organization: WizVax Communications, Troy, New York, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <7EwdzoJPMKBX090yn@wizvax.wizvax.net> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> <5kv8ca$c86@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5kv8ca$c86@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca>, rmuise@bnr.ca (Richard Muise ) wrote: -> ->In article <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu>, pxpst2+@pitt.edu (peter) writes: ->|> In article <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu>, kaminsky@virginia.edu wrote: ->|> ->|> > Wherever he got this information I have no idea. Cray's biggest machine -> -> [ SNIP SNIP ] -> ->|> What a fucking wate of good money. Crays do that for half the cost. -> ->No they don't. In fact i believe the Cray Teraflops machine is around the $110 for the 3Teraflops computer and the 1 teraflop upgrade due at the end of the decade. -> Only $110 for a 3 Teraflops Cray - is that new or used? Oh, who cares whether it is new or used, send me one COD! -> [ SNIP SNIP ] -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ramsay D. Seielstad | mrhuey@wizvax.net; Af029@Detroit.Freenet.Org | | Schenectady, NY | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | "No fancy terminators or trailers, No opinion, Just an average, everyday | | guy with a bunch of unrelated hobbyist activities that have no significant | | use or value other than to amuse myself and occupy my free time ... and | | trust me, these ain't MY employer's opinions or views" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,il.jobs Subject: NEXT/Career Position/ILL Date: 12 May 1997 13:03:58 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5l74fu$hb4@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXT------------------------Commercial experience Objective C-----------------Commercial experience EOF-------------------------A Plus Career Position-------------Exceptional Benefits Area------------------------Greater Chicago Area Opportunity-----------------Excellent To Be Considered------------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgoedel@m.isar.de Subject: Re: Looking for: USRobotics init strings (Sportster) Message-ID: <EA1I7G.BMK@muaddib.m.isar.de> Sender: mgoedel@muaddib.m.isar.de (Maximilian Goedel) Organization: Michael Maximilian Goedel References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970509113446.4077A-100000@kira> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:21:15 GMT In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.970509113446.4077A-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: > > Hey folks... I'm just looking for folks who are using USRobotics Sportster > modems and what init strings they are using... I'm wondering if there are > better ones than the ones I'm using which I got from kermit: > > 'ATQ0X4&A3&N0&Y3' > ATS2=43 > ATS7=255 > AT&K1' > AT&M4&B1 > > Thanks > TjL > > > -- > TjL <luomat@peak.org> > http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ > Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! > Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more. > > > Hi TjL, USR Initstrings are a little bit more tricky than normal strings. There are only few models out from USR which can be configured with an hayes compatible string, like you use. The S-registers are mostly the biggest problem. Simple way to check it out. If you install a CompuServe WINCIM on a PC-BOX, look at this init-string in WINCIMs Modemsettings. Choose the one for USR Sportster. This usualy works Nice Greetings from Munich MaX(T) -- __ Michael Maximilian Goedel | Agilolfinger Platz 10 /\_\ KARSTADT AG Unternehmensbereich IW | 81543 Muenchen \/_/ Sysadmin der cyberb@r | Tel.: 049 89 652918 NeXTSTEP! mgoedel@m.isar.de (NeXT) | Work: 049 89 2902-5418
From: tsnmith@csd.net Newsgroups: alt.aol-sucks,alt.bbs.internet,alt.business,alt.business.home.pc,alt.business.misc,alt.business.multi-level,alt.internet.access.wanted,alt.internet.services,alt.misc,alt.online-service,alt.online-service.america-online,alt.online-service.compuserve,alt.online-service.freenet,alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.microsoft,alt.online-service.prodigy,biz.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion Subject: WIRELESS INTERNET ACCESS!!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 12 May 97 20:42:09 GMT Organization: Internet Access Group [www.iagnet.net] Abuse:abuse@iagnet.net Message-ID: <5l7v6b$dqq$1@iagnews.iagnet.net> Wireless Internet Access!!!!!!!!! Its finally here http://www.deadfrog.net/infonow
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,dc.jobs Subject: NEXTSTEP/Contract-Long Term/DC Area Date: 13 May 1997 01:44:59 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5l8h2r$fkn@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP-------------------Commercial experience Objective C----------------Commercial experience Banking or Financial Experience---A Plus Contract-------------------Long Term Area-----------------------Greater DC Area Start Date-----------------ASAP To Be Considered-----------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: tsnmith@csd.net Newsgroups: alt.aol-sucks,alt.bbs.internet,alt.business,alt.business.home.pc,alt.business.misc,alt.business.multi-level,alt.internet.access.wanted,alt.internet.services,alt.misc,alt.online-service,alt.online-service.america-online,alt.online-service.compuserve,alt.online-service.freenet,alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.microsoft,alt.online-service.prodigy,biz.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion Subject: INTERNET ACCESS WITHOUT A TELEPHONE LINE Date: Tue, 13 May 97 02:10:11 GMT Organization: Internet Access Group [www.iagnet.net] Abuse:abuse@iagnet.net Message-ID: <5l8ida$1k4$2@iagnews.iagnet.net> Wireless Internet Access!!!!!!!!! Its finally here http://www.deadfrog.net/infonow
From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP!! Problem setting up BJC620 w/ Ghostscript. Date: 13 May 1997 04:36:45 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5l8r4t$mce@winter.erols.com> Keywords: Canon, Print, Ghostscript, print filter Hi, I recently got a Canon BJC620 and have set up the ghostscript print filter so that I can get postscript output. The only problem is that, for some reason, the printer will split the image over several pages. Basically I'll get a strip of an image and the rest of the page is blank, then another strip on the next page and so on. I'm not sure why this happens. I am using the bjc600 printer device with ghostscript. I am also using the GS_Canon_BJC600.ppd file which came with ghostscript. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.... Greg C. P.S. Reply to both gcasamen@erols.com and gcasamen@eos.hitc.com, if sending e-mail. Otherwise just reply to this group.
From: Grant Passmore<skaboy@usa.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Infusion Subject: Infusion BBS Software Message-ID: <33765d9f.0@data.wt.net> Date: 12 May 97 00:00:31 GMT I just thought I'd let everyone know.... There is finally a BBS Software with all of the great features of OBV/2 and Iniquity, but without the bugs and bad support. Infusion BBS Software is a new generation in BBS Software, modeled after OBV/2 and Iniquity with everything that the sysop can imagine..and more. Some basic features are: o Multi-node upto 255 concurrent users o Light-bar support [arrow keys] o Requires NO Fossil Driver [selectable FOSSIL, ASYNC, and Digiboard for each node] o Online Configuration [menu editor, string editor, evemt editor, node editor, system editor, etc] o Pipe Color Codes o MCI Codes o Powerful scripting language o Internal One-Liners, Blacklist, voting booth, etc o Internal Z-Modem, X-Modem, Y-Modem, Y-modem-g [no limit to external protocols] o Internal COMM Program with internal protocols, Auto Up/DL o Great support o Basically all of the great features of OBV/2 and Iniquity combined Infusion has been picked up by fuEl [international art group], and Infusion 1.0th will be released June 10th. Come to the Infusion Home-Page at http://web.wt.net/~sparky/ibbs/ and jump into the JAVA Based Chatroom, or come to the ANNEX, the official Infusion IRC Server [irc.annex.net] #infusion / #bbs send the author skaboy101 [Grant Passmore] E-mail at skaboy@usa.net -lata skaboy101
From: 3wolff@rzdspc5.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Eberhard Wolff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Waitpid? Date: 13 May 1997 06:24:09 GMT Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Message-ID: <5l91e9$8he$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Hello, I am cuurently trying to compile some source. One of them uses waitpid(). The linkers doesn't find it even though man knows about it and says it's a POSIX call. Can anyone help me? I am using Openstep 4.0 for Mach/Intel. Eberhard
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <33765d9f.0@data.wt.net> Date: 13 May 1997 06:25:59 GMT Control: cancel <33765d9f.0@data.wt.net> Message-ID: <cancel.33765d9f.0@data.wt.net> Sender: Grant Passmore<skaboy@usa.net> Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Walter C3arlip) Subject: What to do in a Panic? Message-ID: <E9u6K5.7sy@boss.cs.ohiou.edu> Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) Organization: Ohio University Mathematics Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:26:29 GMT Periodically, my black NeXT Slab drops into a "Panic" box. This usually occurs while I am logged in using ppp from home. My connection drops and I cannot get back in. Is there any way to have the slab automatically reboot when it hits such a panic or any way to log in remotely to reboot? As far as I can tell, the only way to fix this is to drive into the office, sit at the NeXTStation itself and reboot. Thanks, -- Walter -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Walter C3arlip **** carlip@ace.cs.ohiou.edu **** (the "3" is silent) _____________________________________________________________________________
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Waitpid? Date: 13 May 1997 11:10:14 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5l9i6m$22d$2@news.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5l91e9$8he$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Eberhard Wolff (3wolff@rzdspc5.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) wrote: > I am cuurently trying to compile some source. One of them uses > waitpid(). The linkers doesn't find it even though man knows about it > and says it's a POSIX call. Can anyone help me? I am using Openstep > 4.0 for Mach/Intel. As long as all you need is waitpid, use the workaround that can be found in the FAQ. Stay away from the POSIX libs if you can :-/... HTH, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: "Josh McDonald" <os-dev@effect.net.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 13 May 1997 10:20:07 GMT Organization: NetEffect Internet Message-ID: <01bc5f8f$ba994460$15621ecb@homer.effect.net.au> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> > I think that you are mistaken. The teraflop machine is a intel piece of > shit built using 32 bit chips Pentium Pros running a hack of Unikos. I > could be confussing it with a DOE computer but it costed over 60 million > to build and is not scalar but is capable of teraflop calculations with > its 7000 processors. > What a fucking wate of good money. Crays do that for half the cost. No machine save the huge intel beast has ever achieved a teraflop, for any amount of money. -Josh
From: "Vos nom et prénom" <missing_link@infonie.be> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need Next Step 3.0 or 3.1 for Next Station 25 MHZ Date: 13 May 1997 16:36:38 GMT Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <01bc5fbb$930606a0$295d4ec2@pentium> Cache-Post-Path: zeus.infonie.be!unknown@ppp-93-41.infonie.be Hi every one.. My Next color Station is crashed. I need a CDROM to réinstall my system.Who cans help me? A copy or anything ... (not for free) Thank's
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do in a Panic? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 13 May 1997 19:54:31 GMT Organization: Dental Records (R) Message-ID: <5lagtn$cgm@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <E9u6K5.7sy@boss.cs.ohiou.edu> Cc: carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN In <E9u6K5.7sy@boss.cs.ohiou.edu> Walter C3arlip wrote: > Periodically, my black NeXT Slab drops into a "Panic" box. This > usually occurs while I am logged in using ppp from home. My > connection drops and I cannot get back in. > > Is there any way to have the slab automatically reboot when > it hits such a panic or any way to log in remotely to reboot? > > As far as I can tell, the only way to fix this is to drive > into the office, sit at the NeXTStation itself and reboot. > > Thanks, > > -- Walter > > > this is not normal behaviour, in my experience, so I'd suggest finding the culprit and fixing it, rather than setting it up to reboot. I've suffered this when dealing with DOS and Novell networks remotely, but haven't had the pleasure of remotely doing a NeXT lately. there are those phone patch remote-reboot things you can buy (doubt they work w/ NeXTStep tho), but there is probably something funky with the system you're dialing into. does it work fine when you use it directly? probably get more answers at comp.sys.next.sysadmin sorry couldn't help more (or at all ;-) -- Rick Sanford Dental Records(R) dental@precipice.com NeXTMAIL welcome http://www.precipice.com/~dental/ We're moving! Soon we'll be at: www.dentalrecords.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Viorel Chita <viorel@pathcom.com> Subject: Re: Anyone successfully get samba to compile? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <33788B50.4300@pathcom.com> Sender: news@news.wrc.xerox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: XEROX Canada, Ltd. References: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970511105141.2859P-100000@lore.cs.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:40:00 GMT ** Craig Cook ** wrote: > > I'm trying to compile samba and the make process crashes once the linking > begins. > > Has anyone made it all the way through? If so - what compiler did you > use, and what makefile settings. > > thanks > Craig I've done it, long time ago; I may still have the makefiles and everything on my system. I recall I was using the native NeXTSTEP compiler (cc); I will check and send you the makefile and other changes made. -- ================================== Viorel Chita E-mail: viorel@pathcom.com ** NeXTmail, MIME mail welcome ** ==================================
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can't ping router Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 03:20:40 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <337967C8.5843@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not getting a response when I ping my router and want to make sure everything is configured correctly with NEXTSTEP before concluding that the router is broken. When I enter 'netstat -rn' the computer returns: Routing tables Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 2 298 lo0 default 192.168.100.101 UG 0 0 en0 192.168.100 192.168.100.102 U 4 1280 en0 My router, an Ascend Pipeline 25 Px, has the address 192.168.100.101 and my computer's address is 192.168.100.102. When I ping the router, it hangs, not returning any packets. When I ping the computer, it returns all packets immediately. It also returns all packets immediately when I ping 192.168.100.0 and 192.168.100.255. Does anyone know if this is configured correctly? --Greg
From: rainer@wmax71.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhöfer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: 14 May 1997 10:02:36 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Just came across this on the Apple WWDC site an thought I should share the experience with you ... not that it is a nice one :( > OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2 for Windows NT--at around U.S.$1,500, per developer > version OPENSTEP Enterprise Deployment starts at around U.S.$12,899 per > server pack OPENSTEP Developer for Mach--U.S. $5,000 per developer version > OPENSTEP User for Mach--at around U.S. $800 per seat Enterprise Object > Frameworks (EOF) 2.1 for Mach--U.S. $500 per seat The only environment to develop on, and they price it out of the market! Do they really believe I will buy NT for this? -- ------------------------------------- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (finger rainer@cip.mathematik for public key ...)
From: andre@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Andre Schaefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: miniSQL 2.0 and EOF 1.1 on Nextstep 3.3 ? Date: 14 May 1997 14:16:14 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5lchfe$htf$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Keywords: miniSQL, EOF, Nextstep Hello everybody, who knows, or has tried, if the miniSQL Adapter for the EOF 1.1 will work with the latest miniSQL Server by Hughes Software? I build an EOF Applikation for my thesis in university. I have until now used the msql 1.0.16 distribution, which worked but lacked a lot of features I needed. My University does not own an Oracle Server or a Sybase one (just INFORMIX), so msql seems to be the only affordable option. msql 2.0 adresses many of the experienced problems, such as indexing of tables and textfields with variable length. So I'd like to use it. How can I integrate it in the Applikation without too much restructuring? ANY help will be useful. Please answer also by email, if possible... Cheers, Andre' Schaefer
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: 14 May 1997 16:16:33 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Rainer Frohnher writes > [NT developer pricing down, Mach pricing still very high] > The only environment to develop on, and they price it out of the market! > Do they really believe I will buy NT for this? You might want to try developing under OPENSTEP/NT before making a final judgment. It's not as bad as you think. And my experience is that writing for NT gives you the greatest portability; i.e., some code that runs on Mach still needs to be tweaked on NT, whereas NT-developed code almost always compiles clean on Mach. Now, as to the programmer's _user_ experience with the rest of the things surrounding the developer environment, I agree: give me OS/Mach anyday. And I do agree that the pricing differential is extreme. Seems to me that Apple is either trying to push people away from Mach, or they are trying to capture the value of the "total" OPENSTEP experience. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "I wander'd off by myself, In the Crystal Ball/Star Gazer | mystical moist night-air, and from Anderson Financial Systems | time to time, Look'd up in perfect greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | silence at the stars." Walt Whitman
From: "Stephen R. Anderson" <anderson@sapir.ling.yale.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:07:41 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Linguistics, Yale University Message-ID: <3379B914.887@sapir.ling.yale.edu> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't notice any mention of "academic bundle" pricing in Apple's press release about OS 4.2. Does anyone know if this policy will continue for 4.2 (and any future pre-rhapsody versions)? --Steve Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee,comp.org.acm,comp.org.decus,comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.keydist,comp.admin,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.software.eng,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jackson@usenix.org (Jackson Dodd) Subject: 7th USENIX Security Symposium - Call for Papers Message-ID: <EA6oF1.Ays@usenix.org> Keywords: USENIX, security, conference Organization: USENIX Association Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:23:25 GMT 7th USENIX Security Symposium January 26-29, 1998 Marriott Hotel - San Antonio, TX If you are a security practitioner, researcher, or programmer involved in the lastest advances in security and applications of cryptography, this conference will be of interest to you. There will be refereed papers, tutorials, BoFs, invited talks, Works-in-Progress, and panel sessions. We are seeking refereed papers on topics such as: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of malicious code * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks/machines * Computer misuse and anomaly detection * Copyright protection (technical solutions) * Cryptographic & other security tools * File and file system security * Network security * New firewall technologies * Security in heterogeneous environments * Security incident investigation and response * Security of Mobile Code * User/system authentication * World Wide Web security Paper submissions are due September 9, 1997. For more detailed information: - Visit the USENIX website at: http://www.usenix.org/sec - Read comp.org.usenix - Send email to our automatic mailserver at: info@usenix.org Your message should contain the line: "send security conferences" ================================================================= The USENIX Association brings together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of computing. Its technical conferences are the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: 14 May 1997 22:59:04 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ldg3o$43b$2@news2.digex.net> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rainer@wmax71.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhöfer) wrote: > Just came across this on the Apple WWDC site an thought I should > share the experience with you ... not that it is a nice one :( > > OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2 for Windows NT--at around U.S.$1,500, > > per developer version OPENSTEP Enterprise Deployment starts at > > around U.S.$12,899 per server pack OPENSTEP Developer for > > Mach--U.S. $5,000 per developer version OPENSTEP User for > > Mach--at around U.S. $800 per seat Enterprise Object Frameworks > > (EOF) 2.1 for Mach--U.S. $500 per seat > The only environment to develop on, and they price it out of > the market! > Do they really believe I will buy NT for this? What amazes me is...that I still get amazed by next/apple's CONSTANT ability to make the most MORONIC marketing decisions of all time. It's just shocking that I haven't been numbed by the constant shocks... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: QMAIL Date: 14 May 1997 23:43:45 GMT Organization: University of California, SF Message-ID: <5ldinh$14pq@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Anyone installed qmail on a NeXT Turbo? Please contact me. Thanks. john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu
From: lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: glib-c port Date: 15 May 1997 02:41:22 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, University of Melbourne Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ldt4i$dop@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <5l5e42$k7f$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> Stephen J. Perkins (perkins@netmass.com) wrote: : Seems if we had glib-c and the lastest GNU compiler, we'd have the same : compilation environment as is available in Linux. : Please let me know your thoughts on the undertaking of such a port. It would : be a large effort... do you think there is a need? It'd be a huge effort, methinks. Why not wait for BSD 4.4 in Rhaposdy? -- Luke
From: perkins@netmass.com (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OS Upgrade and Mail count Date: 15 May 1997 04:04:24 GMT Organization: Netmass Communications Distribution: world Message-ID: <5le208$jpq$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> OK... the upgrade to 4.1 went semi successfully. I'm now battling the minor probs. Most of the major things are working again. One annoying problem I have is that the mail count in the mail.app icon is wrong. When I receive mail, it correctly tells me how many message are waiting. When I manually pull them over with the "get mail" button, the number in the icon doubles. Then, after I read the messages, the count doesn't change. I do have the latest enhance mail installed, but this problem manifested itself before I installed that. Thoughts on how to fix this? TIA, Steve --- ============================================================== Stephen J. Perkins | NetMass Communications | perkins@netmass.com NeXT OS3.3 with PPP-2.3 | NeXT PPP-2.3 info at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: miniSQL 2.0 and EOF 1.1 on Nextstep 3.3 From: apl@kcbbs.gen.nz (Andrew Lindesay) Date: 15 May 97 07:06:20 GMT Message-ID: <17497134.25580.6502@kcbbs.gen.nz> References: <5lchfe$htf$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand > msql 2.0 adresses many of the experienced problems, such as > indexing of tables and textfields with variable length. So I'd > like to use it. I don't think NeXTSTEP has the correct issue of the memory-moving/handling libraries to compile mSQL 2.0? Not oo sure, but check out the FAQ. Andrew (apl@kcbbs.gen.nz)
From: snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr (Dominique SNYERS) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Turbo panic Date: 15 May 1997 08:37:00 GMT Organization: ENST de Bretagne, Brest FRANCE Message-ID: <5lehvc$ak9@alfali.enst-bretagne.fr> We have a Color Turbo Next here and it has been refusing to reboot for a few weeks. We got the following message: unexpected kernel page Fault failure Trap: type 0x410 fcode 5 rw 3 fault addr 0x46 trap: pc 0x4034c08 sp 0x0 sr 0x2208 trap: cpu 0 th 0x0 proc 0xffffffpid -1 pcb 0x0 traceback ... panic: (cpu0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk. Any idea about what we should do? Is it a hardware problem? We tryied to reboot from the CD and it does not work either. Advice are welcome even by email Dom Snyers -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle et Sciences Cognitives (LIASC) Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications de Bretagne BP 832 29285 BREST CEDEX FRANCE Tel: (33) 2 98 00 14 31 email: Dominique.Snyers@enst-bretagne.fr
From: decoy_id@stop_junk_on_the.net (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: 15 May 1997 10:12:55 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5lenj7$pfq$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> Cc: Greg_Anderson@afs.com In <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> Gregory H. Anderson wrote: > Rainer Frohnher writes > > [NT developer pricing down, Mach pricing still very high] > > The only environment to develop on, and they price it out of the market! > > Do they really believe I will buy NT for this? > Apple needs to be aware of the economies of increasing returns that operate in the technical sector, i.e. market share is everything. Increasing market share is the only means for survival. Which means that Apple needs to count revenue losses due to INSANELY LOW PRICES for OpenStep 4.2/Mach as capitalization costs. By "insanely low prices" I mean $299 for OpenStep 4.2/Mach User/Developer Commercial $99 for OpenStep 4.2/Mach User Commercial $99 for OpenStep 4.2/Mach User/Developer Academic bundle Generating EXCITEMENT is more important now than immediate revenues. And these prices would generate excitement. Because Rhapsody will soon make 4.2 obsolete with its additional integrated Macintosh technology, there will be substantial upgrade revenue once Rhapsody comes out. The larger number of users/developers that were seeded with cheap 4.2 will, I aver, generate more revenue than the foolish NeXT, Inc.ish prices we see now. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100, Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenXber@mhpXcc.edu <Delete the "X"s; done to stop junk e-mail> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~Xaltenber/ <Delete the "X"> =======================================================================
From: jeff@tiag.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5lenj7$pfq$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Control: cancel <5lenj7$pfq$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Date: 15 May 1997 13:39:45 GMT Organization: Great Works Internet Message-ID: <5lf3n1$h4h@noc1.gwi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cancel
From: Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:36:18 -0400 Organization: CMMG, Wayne State University Message-ID: <337B2D72.20F8@sanger.med.wayne.edu> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John D. Kaminsky wrote: > > > You do the maths. 50,000 MFlops divided by 16382 gives 3.05 MFlops > > per CPU. Which is what Ling said. > > Wherever he got this information I have no idea. Cray's biggest machine > to date is 4096 processors, currently being built for Los Alamos > National Lab to model Nuclear explosions. According to Cray, a current > T3E-900 with 450mhz processors runs at 504 Megaflops per processor. The > T3E-900 can handle up to 2048 processors, with an estimated performance > of >1 TeraFlop. You guys shouldn't get so crabby about math when the > information you are starting with is totally bogus. Absolutely agree with you, though it is more difficult for most of us to check the veracity of the original information. The original respondent to the false info displayed a "bad attitude" taking the original poster to task for perceived mathematical error (arithmetical error really), so the general response was focused on the bad attitude and arithmetic. Gerard -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Gerard Tromp, Ph.D. CMMG, Wayne State University vox: 313-577-8773 3116, Scott Hall fax: 313-577-5218 540 E Canfield Ave e-mail: tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu Detroit, MI 48201 gtromp@cmb.biosci.wayne.edu
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: miniSQL 2.0 and EOF 1.1 on Nextstep 3.3 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:39:46 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EA88qB.9z5@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <17497134.25580.6502@kcbbs.gen.nz> In article <17497134.25580.6502@kcbbs.gen.nz> writes: > > msql 2.0 adresses many of the experienced problems, such as > > indexing of tables and textfields with variable length. So I'd > > like to use it. > > I don't think NeXTSTEP has the correct issue of the > memory-moving/handling libraries to compile mSQL 2.0? Not oo sure, but > check out the FAQ. This isn't necessarily a problem, as it would be no trouble (and may be beneficial) to actually run mSQL on another non-NeXT machine (and it's probably no more than a few hours porting anyway). The big question will the ADAPTOR work - the short answer is almost certainly not (I admit I'm guessing), but I too would be VERY intereted in running mSQL2.0 as a backend to an EOF app (I'm currently prototyping something for which mSQL1 isn't quite good enough, while 2.0 might be fill a big gap - to the extent that this app could become viable). I guess the bottom line is, is anyone interested in rewritting the 1.0 adaptor to work with 2.0? I'd be tempted to try if no one else will, but obviously the original authors would be more appropriate. Also I'm still on NeXTStep 3.3 and the old version of EOF that shipped with it - an OpenStep/EOF2 version may be more appropriate. $an
From: see@address.in.signature (Martin-Gilles Lavoie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:20:56 -0500 Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <see-1505971020560001@204.191.6.56> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> In article <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com>, Greg_Anderson@afs.com wrote: > Rainer Frohnher writes > > [NT developer pricing down, Mach pricing still very high] > > The only environment to develop on, and they price it out of the market! > > Do they really believe I will buy NT for this? > > You might want to try developing under OPENSTEP/NT before making a final > judgment. It's not as bad as you think. And my experience is that writing > for NT gives you the greatest portability; i.e., some code that runs on > Mach still needs to be tweaked on NT, whereas NT-developed code almost > always compiles clean on Mach. And for a lot less money, you can get yourself a used NeXT computer w/ NeXTSTEP 3.2 installed, start developing, and then migrate to Rhapsody as it becomes available. You might actually find a used NeXT station w/ NeXTSTEP/Mach 4.x on it. If you're lucky enough to have gone to WWDC, then you'll have the software for free. -- Martin-Gilles Lavoie | "No! Try not. Do! or do not mouser@zercom.net | There is no try." www.zercom.net/~mouser/ | --Yoda on error handling
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Academic Pricing Has _NOT_ changed for 4.2 (was Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!!) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:55:29 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515092352.14650A-100000@kira> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> <see-1505971020560001@204.191.6.56> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <see-1505971020560001@204.191.6.56> Sorry for the xpost, but I don't know where this thread has spawned ---->FOLLOWUPS set to csn.misc<---- I called the number on http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q3/970513.pr.rel.openstep.html#OPENSTEP "The OPENSTEP family of products are available direct from Apple Computer, Inc. For sales information call 1-800-879-6398." (aka "try-next") I went through their little voicemail hoops for find out about the academic bundle only to get a message to call Object Technologies (which doesn't exist). So I called back and stayed "on the line for further information" (pressed #4) and talked with a woman who I told about the wrong 800# and then she put me over to the telemarketing folks. The woman I talked with there (whose name I did not get) said that I should contact my bookstore. When I informed her that my bookstore had never heard of NeXT or OpenStep, she said that it would all go through NACS corp (www.nacscorp.com). OpenStep 4.2 was officially released Tuesday, but she did not know how long it would take to get through to the academic sources. (It is not yet listed on NACS' web pages) She confirmed that the academic pricing has not changed, it is still $299 for user & dev. I called NACS-corp (1-800-622-7498 x2573 for inbound sales) and they said it will take "a few weeks" before it gets to them. She said that as far as she knew the pricing had not changed but (she also said) that doesn't mean much as it could change when it arrives. So there we have it folks, the pricing for OpenStep/Academic seems to have remained the same, but (for the overly cynical) it will be a few weeks before anyone can say for sure. TjL, your friendly neighborhood 800# dialing, horse's-mouth seeking, OpenStep likin' Usenet reader...
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From: dvit@ip.pt (Diogo Vitorino) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Just Got a NeXT "Cube" Date: 16 May 1997 00:24:05 GMT Organization: ILHA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <dvit-1605970127080001@pm-lx-1-03.net.ip.pt> References: <psybeast-ya02408000R1205970118290001@news.pond.com> In article <psybeast-ya02408000R1205970118290001@news.pond.com>, psybeast@pond.com (PsyBeast) wrote: > As of Friday, I now have a NeXT "Cube" running around my apartment, > ethernet that is. > > The only major problem at this stage of the game, is that I need a Clean > New OS install. > > The cube came with what appears to be all the basic manuals, and a blank > 256MB MO cartridge... and NOTHING else!!!! >..... I actually have more or less the same problem with a Turbo Color station. Please help!
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic Pricing Has _NOT_ changed for 4.2 (was Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!!) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:26:25 -0700 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <337B9B9C.44CD@earthlink.net> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> <see-1505971020560001@204.191.6.56> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515092352.14650A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy Luoma wrote: > She confirmed that the academic pricing has not changed, it is still $299 > for user & dev. Sounds like it would be worth it to go register at a Community Collge somewhere for a hundred or so bucks and order that bundle!
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Turbo panic Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:55:22 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515205507.29652A-100000@kira> References: <5lehvc$ak9@alfali.enst-bretagne.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Dominique SNYERS <snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr> In-Reply-To: <5lehvc$ak9@alfali.enst-bretagne.fr> Try replacing the RAM Just a guess, TjL
From: Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:35:06 -0400 Organization: IDT Message-ID: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, Although this is still a rumor for now, it seems that Rhapsody will eventually integrate the Mac Finder's Look and Feel. The only problem that I have with this is that dreaded White manubar strip. In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common menubar is not the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate the Window menubar. Under this scheme, every application would have a menu bar in its window. Here are the reasons why I feel that Apple should go for this scheme 1. Rhapsody incorporates the The protected memory and multiprocesses architecture. This means that one can have several instances of the same applications running concurrently, since each application would be treated as a process itself. Under the current common menu bar scheme, it would be difficult to determine which instance of the application is currently active by looking at the menu bar. Using the common menu bar with several instances of the same application can be counter intuitive. Even now, it is hard to differentiate which application the menu is currently representing. This has resulted in numerous frustrations when one accidentally quits the wrong application. 2. Treating each process as an "object". It makes sense that the menubar should belong to the application and not to the desktop. The menubar in the application's window acts the interface. To me, this is a more elegant approach to UI desgin. Currently, there are many Mac applications, like Netscape that have adopted the windowing menubar scheme. In fact, with the exception of AmigaOS, the rest of the GUI's out there, adopts the windowing scheme. 3. The window menu can be very useful in a large resolution screen, users would not have to go all the way to the top of the screen to select the menu options. Just go to the window of the application and click. Well, to be fair. There are certainly advantages associated with the common bar like space-saving, better for smaller resolution, a more classical mac look and feel, yadi, yadi, yada.... But I think that an advanced operating system like Rhapsody deserves a more elegant UI implementation and the window menubar takes the experience of using the GUI one level up. So if you are like me who distest the common menu bar, shout it out to Apple's ears. Samuel Chow
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Improv for Intel? Date: 16 May 1997 04:52:30 GMT Organization: HTI Message-ID: <5lgp6e$evh@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> In-Reply-To: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> No. There was the original, an international version, and an unreleased version with a cool scripting language. There was an attempt at an Intel version as well and also a MacOS version but it never really got off the ground. A Windows 3.1 version did ship but was unsucessful in the marketplace. Your best bet is Quantrix by Lighthouse Design. Robert On 05/08/97, Zdzislaw H. "Stan" Lewantowicz wrote: >Was a version of Lotus Improv offered for Intel NeXTStep? If so, how can one >obtain a copy? -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Improv for Intel? Date: 16 May 1997 04:57:27 GMT Organization: HTI Message-ID: <5lgpfn$fci@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> <5lgp6e$evh@fridge-nf0.shore.net> In-Reply-To: <5lgp6e$evh@fridge-nf0.shore.net> Oh yeah, trivia time... Here are the code names for all the Improv versions... Product Name Code Name ============ ========= Improv 2.0 for Windows Blue Marlin Improv 2.0 for MacOS Red Marlin Improv 2.0 for NEXTSTEP Black Marlin Improv 1.0 for NEXTSTEP BackBay Improv Scripting Language Oakum Robert -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Turbo panic Date: 16 May 1997 05:16:35 GMT Organization: 9h, Inc. Message-ID: <18BCBADCEA4A8F54.4AF2ECB68D575EDA.A9D5555ECE32FFD0@library-proxy.airnews.net> References: <5lehvc$ak9@alfali.enst-bretagne.fr> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net On 15 May 1997 08:37:00 GMT, Dominique SNYERS <snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr> wrote: > We have a Color Turbo Next here and it has been refusing to reboot > for a few weeks. > [...kernel panic messages...] > Any idea about what we should do? > Is it a hardware problem? > We tryied to reboot from the CD and it does not work either. I used to have smiliar kernel panics on my ND Turbo Cube on almost every cold boot, while booting from the ROM monitor after the panic works fine. Can you boot at all? If you can boot after the panic, then try to get a new battery from your local camera shop, that seems to have fixed mine. [In the US, the battery is called something like xx123.] liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@dragon-dance.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: nurban@sps1.phys.vt.edu (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 16 May 1997 02:14:57 -0400 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5lgu11$nrm@sps1.phys.vt.edu> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> In article <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net>, Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: > Although this is still a rumor for now, it seems that Rhapsody will > eventually integrate the Mac Finder's Look and Feel. The only problem that > I have with this is that dreaded White manubar strip. Me too. > In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common > menubar is not the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate > the Window menubar. Ugh. That's one of the worst features of Windows. > 1. Rhapsody incorporates the The protected memory and multiprocesses > architecture. This means that one can have several instances of the same > applications running concurrently, since each application would be treated > as a process itself. Under the current common menu bar scheme, it would be > difficult to determine which instance of the application is currently active > by looking at the menu bar. True. But no one ever runs multiple instances of one app. > 2. Treating each process as an "object". It makes sense that the menubar > should belong to the application and not to the desktop. But there are many operations that do not apply to a specific window. If you have different kinds of windows, which ones get which menu items? With the menu-on-window approach, you're forced to single out one window as your "main" window. This is often inelegant. I know of a number of NEXTSTEP apps that don't even open up a window at launch time. Yet you can still access functionality from the menu. > Currently, there are many Mac applications, like Netscape that have > adopted the windowing menubar scheme. Those are largely applications that originated on Windows. > In fact, with the exception of AmigaOS, the > rest of the GUI's out there, adopts the windowing scheme. That's because all the other GUI's are shoddy and make the application handle everything itself, so it has no choice but to draw into its own windows for menus. > 3. The window menu can be very useful in a large resolution screen, > users would not have to go all the way to the top of the screen to select > the menu options. Just go to the window of the application and click. Global menus that pop up on a right mouse click are even faster, and you can't do those if your menus are tied to windows. Plus, there are always floating menus. I'm unhappy that Apple is chucking NEXTSTEP's clearly superior menu system.. > But I think that an advanced operating system like Rhapsody > deserves a more elegant UI implementation and the window menubar takes > the experience of using the GUI one level up. > So if you are like me who distest the common menu bar, shout it out to > Apple's ears. I think virtually everyone here will disagree with you that Windows menus are superior.
From: alex@_nospam_EagleChair.com (Aleksei M. Kac) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:34:19 -0500 Organization: Web Information Solutions Message-ID: <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> In article <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net>, Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: : Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, : : Although this is still a rumor for now, it seems that Rhapsody will : eventually : integrate the Mac Finder's Look and Feel. The only problem that I have : with : this is that dreaded White manubar strip. : : In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common : menubar is not : the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate the Window : menubar. Under : this scheme, every application would have a menu bar in its window. Here : are the : reasons why I feel that Apple should go for this scheme I actually abhor the Window menu bar...it uses up so much real estate (and I have plenty with a 20'' monitor) and just makes the the screen look so ugly. I instinctively reach for the menu bar at the top of the screen now...if I don't know where the menu bar is, then that is annoying. I say let the user decide: menu bar in window, NeXT style menu bar, Mac style Menu bar. I like both the NeXT and Mac styles. -- Web Information Solutions <http://www.ProMotors.com/wis.html> <mailto:alex@EagleChair.com> Just take the _spam_ out of my email to reply...
From: rob@blackhole.ix.netcom.com (Rob Blessin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic Pricing Has _NOT_ changed for 4.2 (was Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!!) Date: 16 May 1997 07:53:38 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5lh3q2$or3@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> <see-1505971020560001@204.191.6.56> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515092352.14650A-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515092352.14650A-100000@kira> Hello NeXT/ Apple Community: For those of you that are looking for an alternative less adventuresome route for purchasing yes NeXTSTEP 3.3 or Openstep 4.2 Academic Bundles without having to jump through hoops and tangle with Voice Mail that points to no where, Bookstores, Nacscorp ... I offer an alternative service to the NeXT community because I care... Academic Bundles are available for $319 and Shipping . Why $319? I'm actually importing the Academic Bundles from Europe, this helps cover my cost of freight , import duties , taxes, keeping the lights on, web page up, etc. and helps keep Openstep Academic bundles alive and makes them easy to find! I'm told these Academic bundles are well traveled they go from the USA to the somewhere in the Netherlands (by Submarine?) through the UK (by Elephant?) and back to the good old USA (by Concord then Wagon Train?) until they reach the sales offices of Black Hole Incorporated located in Denver, CO. Sounds kind of like a typical complicated government operation and I always have had fun working with the NeXT community, why stop now and what the heck somebody had to stand up to the challenge, might as well be me. I sold 8.. 3.3 Bundles today and only have 2 left in stock, I plan on reordering and actually having 4.2 bundles for the most part on hand when they become available provided the complicated but functional distribution channel remains intact. Sound Good? To Qualify: First you must have a desire to purchase the bundles easily. Then you must currently be Academic. IE Student, Faculty or Staff and will have to provide a ledgible photocopy of of your ID and students will have to provide proof that they are currently enrolled ie registration card, paystub , tuition bill, report card. Further details including an academic order form will be outlined on the Web page at http://www.blackholeinc.com/ , please do not use the planned online Cyberpay option until your order has been preapproved. All Orders will be audited to insure their authenticity by our friends in the UK via NeXTmail. To view work in progress on the page check out http://blackholeinc.media3.net/ Fortunately for those of you that are interested in Commercial NeXT software , we can supply that from Apple/ NeXT directly and can provide full license, user / developer upgrades, web objects, eof, etc. ... the reason for the round the world route for the Academic Bundle is NACSCORP will only sell directly to bookstores, it is written in stone.. I am continuing to try and establish a business relationship with NACSCORP and have made an effort to explain that I have been doing this for 4 years successfully for other companies. Best Regards Rob Blessin Email : bhi1@ix.netcom.com , with any questions ! ETA Mid June for 4.2 Our offices will be closed from the May 24 through June 2, but we will be checking voice mail from Florida. On 05/15/97, Timothy Luoma wrote: > >Sorry for the xpost, but I don't know where this thread has spawned > >---->FOLLOWUPS set to csn.misc<---- > >I called the number on > >http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q3/970513.pr.rel ..openstep.html#OPENSTEP > >"The OPENSTEP family of products are available direct from Apple Computer, >Inc. For sales information call 1-800-879-6398." (aka "try-next") > >I went through their little voicemail hoops for find out about the >academic bundle only to get a message to call Object Technologies (which >doesn't exist). So I called back and stayed "on the line for further >information" (pressed #4) and talked with a woman who I told about the >wrong 800# and then she put me over to the telemarketing folks. > >The woman I talked with there (whose name I did not get) said that I >should contact my bookstore. When I informed her that my bookstore had >never heard of NeXT or OpenStep, she said that it would all go through >NACS corp (www.nacscorp.com). OpenStep 4.2 was officially released >Tuesday, but she did not know how long it would take to get through to the >academic sources. (It is not yet listed on NACS' web pages) > >She confirmed that the academic pricing has not changed, it is still $299 >for user & dev. > >I called NACS-corp (1-800-622-7498 x2573 for inbound sales) and they said >it will take "a few weeks" before it gets to them. She said that as far >as she knew the pricing had not changed but (she also said) that doesn't >mean much as it could change when it arrives. > >So there we have it folks, the pricing for OpenStep/Academic seems to have >remained the same, but (for the overly cynical) it will be a few weeks >before anyone can say for sure. > >TjL, your friendly neighborhood 800# dialing, horse's-mouth seeking, >OpenStep likin' Usenet reader... > > -- Best regards: Rob Blessin President Black Hole, Incorporated 748 Poplar St. Denver , CO 80220 303-393-6419 303-320-0949 http://www.blackholeinc.com/ "NeXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" Byte Magazine Serving the NeXTSTEP/ Openstep community since Q1 1993.
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OS Upgrade and Mail count Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 07:54:43 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515075348.28933D-100000@kira> References: <5le208$jpq$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@netmass.com> In-Reply-To: <5le208$jpq$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> Heh heh.... I reported this same thing to csn.bugs about a week ago It's a known bug when you have manual mailfetching turned on. I turned it off and set the mailfetch time to 1 minute. Seems to be fine since then. TjL
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From: Colin Stock <colin.stock@gecm.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 May 1997 10:49:24 GMT Organization: GEC Marconi Inflight Systems Message-ID: <5lhe3k$qnr@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <337B2D72.20F8@sanger.med.wayne.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> wrote: >John D. Kaminsky wrote: >> >> According to Cray, a current >> T3E-900 with 450mhz processors runs at 504 Megaflops per processor. >> The T3E-900 can handle up to 2048 processors, with an estimated >> performance >> of >1 TeraFlop. > Thats all very well but how fast does it run Quake?? -- ========================================================== Colin Stock e-mail: colin.stock@gecm.com EASAMS Ltd. Tel: +44 (1705) 226550 One person's 'common sense approach' is another's 'daft idea'
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From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OS 4.2 vfat32? multisession cdrom? 8bit color dithering? Date: 16 May 1997 11:01:34 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <5lheqe$fja$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> does OPENSTEP 4.2 incude those features? that is: -does it mount vfat(32) filesystems and operate on the long filenames? -does it mount all sessions of multisession cd-roms? -is the 8-bit color display mode of the same quality as NS3.3's? (OS4.0 and 4.1 have a sort of broken 8-bit color mode - compare the color graduations in the color panel!) thanks for any answer, daniel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Message-ID: <1997May16.101757.47505@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch Date: 16 May 97 10:17:57 MET References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: > Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, > > Although this is still a rumor for now, it seems that Rhapsody will > eventually > integrate the Mac Finder's Look and Feel. The only problem that I have > with > this is that dreaded White manubar strip. > > In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common > menubar is not > the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate the Window > menubar. Under I don't agree. Though I completely distaste the horizontal menubar (it is difficult to extend if there isn't enough screen space) I certainly want to keep a common menu. I would very much like to see the NEXTSTEP menu bar on Rhapsody as it has a very consistant scheme. The menu is always vertical. All submenus are vertical. It can easily be extended (the height of the text is much less than the width) and will autoscroll if to high for a given screen. It can be moved to any convenient place and, furthermore, it can be taken off screen and yet still accessed by clicking a mouse button. > this scheme, every application would have a menu bar in its window. Here > are the > reasons why I feel that Apple should go for this scheme > > 1. Rhapsody incorporates the The protected memory and multiprocesses > architecture. This means that one can have several instances of the same > applications running > concurrently, since each application would be treated as a process > itself. Under > the current common menu bar scheme, it would be difficult to determine > which > instance of the application is currently active by looking at the menu > bar. Using > the common menu bar with several instances of the same application can > be counter > intuitive. Even now, it is hard to differentiate which application the > menu is currently representing. This has resulted in numerous > frustrations when one accidentally quits the wrong application. It is true that running several instances of the same program will cause problems, but how often do you *have* to run several instances on the same screen? I only do this when accessing remote systems and displaying on the local screen (eg. when running as root). In almost all other situations, running several instances of the same program are simply not necessary. > 2. Treating each process as an "object". It makes sense that the menubar > should > belong to the application and not to the desktop. > [...] All right, and what about items that don't belong to the "object" but to the program, such as open, create, ...??? These would have to be replicated, but then they don't quite fit to the program. Under Xwindows (which is gastly), many vendors would create a separate window with these menu items - this is silly. The NEXTSTEP approach is *much* more consistant. Also the idea of changing the entries according to the context is an excellent idea. > 3. The window menu can be very useful in a large resolution screen, > users would not > have to go all the way to the top of the screen to select the menu > options. > Just go to the window of the application and click. This argument has been discussed in other threads and, according to my opinion, quite correctly been dismissed as meaningless. Most commands have keyboard shortcuts, and under NEXTSTEP you could place the menu right under the mouse button - no need to even have to go to the top of the window. > Well, to be fair. There are certainly advantages associated with the > common bar like > space-saving, better for smaller resolution, a more classical mac look > and feel, > yadi, yadi, yada.... But I think that an advanced operating system like > Rhapsody > deserves a more elegant UI implementation with that I do agree ... > and the window menubar takes > the experience > of using the GUI one level up. No, in my opinion, one down! > [...] > Samuel Chow -Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT,MIME mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 16 May 1997 12:20:32 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5lhjeg$ckb$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <5lgu11$nrm@sps1.phys.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <5lgu11$nrm@sps1.phys.vt.edu> On 05/16/97, Nathan Urban wrote: >I think virtually everyone here will disagree with you that Windows >menus are superior. > I certainly will... I would prefer to retain the current NEXTSTEP menu system, however faced with a choice between the current MacOS way and the Windows system Samuel is advocating I'd take the MacOS way without a second thought. I get the feeling Samuel hasn't used NEXTSTEP, or any other proper multitasking system... Best wishes, mmalc. -- Malcolm Crawford (NeXTmail) malcolm@plsys.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1494 432422 P & L Systems Fax: +44 (0)1494 432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~malcolm
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: DON'T POST THIS TO comp.sys.next.misc (Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip) Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 06:39:51 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970516063506.957C-100000@kira> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> In-Reply-To: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Don't post this to comp.sys.next.misc ! Keep this in the advocacy groups! We've seen and read enough of this stuff, it's just speculation and rumor and guessing and replying to it will just fill up newsfeeds with idle speculation TjL
From: Samuel Chow <Sam.Chow@analog.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:50:12 -0400 Organization: analog.com Message-ID: <337C7424.484A@analog.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmalcolm crawford wrote: > > On 05/16/97, Nathan Urban wrote: > > >I think virtually everyone here will disagree with you that Windows > >menus are superior. > > > I certainly will... I would prefer to retain the current NEXTSTEP menu > system, however faced with a choice between the current MacOS way and the > Windows system Samuel is advocating I'd take the MacOS way without a second > thought. > > I get the feeling Samuel hasn't used NEXTSTEP, or any other proper > multitasking system... > You are wrong, I do use the NeXTstep. To be honest, I don't mind the NeXTstep style menu system at all. In fact, I think that it is a good compromise between the common menu bar like the Mac's and the typical window menu system that Windows and X uses. The point I am trying to make is that true that window menu does take up a lot of estate but at the same time it can be confusing at times, which application the menu bar the system is representing. That's my biggest complain about Apple menu bar. To me, NeXT style menu system is more of a window menu system although it does incorporate the global menu features to enhance the use. That I accept. But I still think that Apple white menu bar should be gotten rid of. Later, Samuel Chow
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Improv for Intel? Date: 16 May 1997 16:38:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5li2ig$k9p$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5ksefn$t1e@usenet85.supernews.com> <5lgp6e$evh@fridge-nf0.shore.net> <5lgpfn$fci@fridge-nf0.shore.net> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> wrote: >Oh yeah, trivia time... Here are the code names for all the Improv >versions... > >Product Name Code Name >============ ========= > >Improv 2.0 for Windows Blue Marlin >Improv 2.0 for MacOS Red Marlin >Improv 2.0 for NEXTSTEP Black Marlin >Improv 1.0 for NEXTSTEP BackBay >Improv Scripting Language Oakum > >Robert Oakum??!! That was good for a laugh... --Ryan
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 16 May 1997 17:25:41 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5li5al$lvg$1@news.platinum.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Cc: samchow@idt.net Please, if there is a God at Apple, please, please, please, let this be a user preference at least. Don't force the hideous Global Menu Bar on those of us who have moved beyond it. (The window menu bar prefered by Sam, of course, is just as hideous, but it could be a preference too...) /gary In <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> it appeared that Samuel Chow wrote: > Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, > > Although this is still a rumor for now, it seems that Rhapsody will > eventually > integrate the Mac Finder's Look and Feel. The only problem that I have > with > this is that dreaded White manubar strip. > -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: ilk@mindspring.com (Chris Mullins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXT CUBE FOR SALE Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:27:50 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <337cb52a.20250335@news.mindspring.com> NEXT CUBE FOR SALE I have a NeXt cube with one system board for sale. It comes with: 2 17” Megapixel Monitors 1 N2000 Laser Printer Mouse and Keyboard. Cost is $499 Plus Shipping. I am not familiar with NeXt and can not tell you much about it, It has the NeXt mach OS and seems to have software still on it. I have the monitor cable (special ordered) but do not have a cable for the printer. All items are in excellent condition. It was being used at GaTech before I bought it. If you have any questions please call me at 770.420.5202 -Chris Mullins I also have 19” Fixed Scan Monitors for sale. Made by Hitachi: they come with a 128 Bit PCI Accelerator with 2.26 MB of ram. I am selling these at $549 plus shipping.
From: tsnSSSmith@csd.net Newsgroups: alt.aol-sucks,alt.bbs.internet,alt.business,alt.business.home.pc,alt.business.misc,alt.business.multi-level,alt.internet.access.wanted,alt.internet.services,alt.misc,alt.online-service,alt.online-service.america-online,alt.online-service.compuserve,alt.online-service.freenet,alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.microsoft,alt.online-service.prodigy,biz.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion Subject: INTERNET ACCESS WITHOUT A TELEPHONE LINE!#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 16 May 97 22:43:16 GMT Organization: Internet Access Group [www.iagnet.net] Abuse:abuse@iagnet.net Message-ID: <5lino7$9dm$1@iagnews.iagnet.net> Wireless Internet Access!!!!!!!!! Its finally here http://www.deadfrog.net/infonow We need distributors in the US and Canada!!!!!!
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From: tbrown@netset.com (Ted Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:57:42 -0400 Organization: NetSet Internet Solutions, Inc. Message-ID: <tbrown-1605972257420001@ppp068.dialup.cmh.netset.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <5li5al$lvg$1@news.platinum.com> In article <5li5al$lvg$1@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: >Please, if there is a God at Apple, please, please, please, let this be a >user preference at least. Don't force the hideous Global Menu Bar on those >of us who have moved beyond it. > >(The window menu bar prefered by Sam, of course, is just as hideous, but it >could be a preference too...) > >/gary I hope the Apple takes a look at using NeXT style menus for Blue Box apps. If they can get it to work well, then it's a viable option to do away with the main menu bar. Otherwise, it'll have to be there while running MacOS apps. The real answers come from how well Blue Box and OpenStep apps can interact. Do Blue Box apps put windows in a "MacOS Desktop Window", or are they indistinguishable from OpenStep apps? If they are all locked in one window, then the mac menubar should be constrained to that window. Apple's already admited that the seam between the blue box and OpenStep will show. I'm for blatant cognitve signs of what's a MacOS app and what's a NeXT app. Anything else will confuse the user *more*,as they'll wonder why they can't drag and drop between certain apps. -- To get random signatures put text files into a folder called ³Random Signatures² into your Preferences folder.
From: Denis Tumpic <dtumpic@gemsoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:56:26 -0400 Organization: gemsoft Message-ID: <337CC9FA.3413D312@gemsoft.com> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <337B2D72.20F8@sanger.med.wayne.edu> <5lhe3k$qnr@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin Stock wrote: > > Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> wrote: > >John D. Kaminsky wrote: > >> > >> According to Cray, a current > >> T3E-900 with 450mhz processors runs at 504 Megaflops per processor. > >> The T3E-900 can handle up to 2048 processors, with an estimated >> performance > >> of >1 TeraFlop. > > > Thats all very well but how fast does it run Quake?? > Approx. 500k frames per second. Slow isn't it? - I had to do it!
From: "Jean R. Moreau, Jr." <moreau@fas.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic Pricing Has _NOT_ changed for 4.2 (was Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!!) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:04:12 -0400 Organization: Harvard University Message-ID: <337D202C.DE49F7CC@fas.harvard.edu> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> <see-1505971020560001@204.191.6.56> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970515092352.14650A-100000@kira> <337B9B9C.44CD@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Steve Kellener wrote: > Timothy Luoma wrote: > > > She confirmed that the academic pricing has not changed, it is still > $299 > > for user & dev. > > Sounds like it would be worth it to go register at a Community Collge > somewhere for a hundred or so bucks and order that bundle! You mean I'm not the only one ;-)
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From: "Margaret" <margaret@osgcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,dc.jobs Subject: NeXTSTEP Consultant Openings Date: 17 May 1997 05:51:00 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies, Inc.; ISP Message-ID: <01bc6287$0b9125a0$70c832ce@margaret.onramp.net> NeXTSTEP MENTORS AND DEVELOPERS Object Systems Group is a OO technology-based consultancy that provides assistance to Global 1000 corporations. These clients have already made the commitment to move to objects. That means that we can offer you the opportunity to build robust infrastructures, develop good designs, and direct state of the art implementations for large scale OO projects. Our Chief Technical Officer is Bruce Webster who has been involved in software engineering for 20 years and in commercial Object Oriented Development since 1989. Bruce has written numerous articles in technical publications and has also contributed to more than a dozen commerical software products. His most recent books are The Art of Ware and The Pitfalls of Object-Oriented Development. Because OSG has a proven successful OO process and a reputation for excellence, we can keep you progressing in OO technology while you are making contractors wages. OSG pays well, offers good benefits, and requires a minimum one year commitment. Please visit our Web Site at http://www.osgcorp.com PROCESS MENTORS Minimum five years total experience with one year NeXTStep or OpenStep. You will participate in the development of Object Models and will perform all the analysis and design functions for your team as well as educate team members in process, methods, and techniques. TECHNICAL MENTORS Minimum three years experience in NeXTSTEP with at least one of those in a Mentoring role. Also must have strong knowledge or experience with one or more OO Methodologies. NeXTSTEP and or OpenStep Developers If you have a minimum of 2 years experience in a NeXTSTEP environment at any level, we want to talk to you. The project is a new development (no legacy issues). All work must be done on-site. Email resume(No NeXTMAIL accepted) and current salary info in Word, TEXT, or ASCII to: margaret@osgcorp.com
From: julian @ whitetower.demon.co.uk (Julian Regel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:06:44 GMT Message-ID: <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> alex@_nospam_EagleChair.com (Aleksei M. Kac) wrote: >I say let the user decide: menu bar in window, NeXT style menu bar, Mac >style Menu bar. > > >I like both the NeXT and Mac styles. I like the Acorn RISC OS method (www.acorn.co.uk): There isn't a global menu bar at all. If you want access to the menu, click the second mouse button and a context sensitive menu pops up. I know apps like Netscape support context sensitive menus but the Acorn ones are the *only* menus. Saves screen space and means the user doesn't have to trek to the top of the screen. Julian
From: Ken MacLeod <ken@bitsko.slc.ut.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 17 May 1997 10:29:29 -0500 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Sender: ken@biff.bitsko.slc.ut.us Message-ID: <m3lo5eqfqd.fsf@biff.bitsko.slc.ut.us> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <337C7424.484A@analog.com> Samuel Chow <Sam.Chow@analog.com> writes: > window menu system that Windows and X uses. The point I am trying to > make is that true that window menu does take up a lot of estate but > at the same time it can be confusing at times, which application the > menu bar the system is representing. That's my biggest complain about > Apple menu bar. As a heavy user of "focus follows mouse" under X, it's obvious that a single menu wouldn't work for my preference. But I would never, willingly, give up that screenspace to put menus on each window, that's my biggest complaint with Motif. I think the single menu (vertical or horizontal, I don't see the big difference) is just fine the way it is, the single menu follows the "active" app. What I would like is that when I click the menu-button I get the menu of the app I'm pointing to, not the "active" app. > at the same time it can be confusing at times, which application the > menu bar the system is representing. That's my biggest complain about hmm, that's never been a problem for me. I've always felt the indication of the "active" app to be very clear. -- Ken MacLeod ken@bitsko.slc.ut.us
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Compiling off of NeXT Developer CD-ROM Date: 17 May 1997 23:24:50 GMT Organization: University of California, SF Message-ID: <5lleo2$vvg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> I have a small hard drive in my NeXT Turbo and don't have the 3.2 Developer environment installed. Can I link the NeXTStep Developer CD-ROM to the boot drive so that I can direct the compiler to search the directories on the CD-ROM for needed header files, etc, when compiling from source files? IOW can I use the CD-ROM to compile, even if it will be considerably slower? If so, what would the compile command look like? eg: romdas# cc ??? <filename.c> Thanks. John
From: buckley4@mail.idt.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 17 May 1997 23:50:48 GMT Organization: IDT Message-ID: <5llg8o$59m@nnrp4.farm.idt.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> On 05/17/97, Julian Regel wrote: >alex@_nospam_EagleChair.com (Aleksei M. Kac) wrote: > >>I say let the user decide: menu bar in window, NeXT style menu bar, Mac >>style Menu bar. >> >> >>I like both the NeXT and Mac styles. > >I like the Acorn RISC OS method (www.acorn.co.uk): There isn't a >global menu bar at all. If you want access to the menu, click the >second mouse button and a context sensitive menu pops up. I know apps >like Netscape support context sensitive menus but the Acorn ones are >the *only* menus. Saves screen space and means the user doesn't have >to trek to the top of the screen. > >Julian > In NEXTSTEP, I put the active menu in the lower right hand corner, as a way to tell at a glance which app is active, but use the pop-up menu almost exclusively. On rare occasions I have to grab the menu out of the corner to tear off a menu strip, but back it goes for several more months. So in practice, I vote for no menues unless you ask for them. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: buckley4@mail.idt.net Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 18 May 1997 01:07:32 GMT Organization: WolfWare Message-ID: <5llkok$ag8$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <1997May16.101757.47505@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> <337DFFAE.2122@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <337DFFAE.2122@earthlink.net> On 05/17/97, Steve Kellener wrote: >Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: >>The only problem that I have with this is that dreaded White manubar strip. > >They stated on the webcast that the desktop will use "plug-ins" so that >you may write your own custom looks. The "Finder/Workspace Manager" will alow plug-ins. (The Finder is the window where you do file browsing and selection.) This is quite different from being able to customize the entire desktop including the menu bar. >STEVE K. > > -- _______________________________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf -- WolfWare -- NeXTSTEP/OpenStep/Rhapsody Developer For info about NewsFlash the lightning fast NeXTSTEP news-reader visit our newly revised web site at: http://www.wolfware.com _______________________________________________________________________
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling off of NeXT Developer CD-ROM Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:11:24 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0nTZQwS00iV1M1Ke0u@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5lleo2$vvg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 17-May-97 Compiling off of NeXT Devel.. by john@romdas.HIP.berkeley > I have a small hard drive in my NeXT Turbo and don't have the 3.2 > Developer environment installed. Can I link the NeXTStep Developer CD-ROM > to the boot drive so that I can direct the compiler to search the > directories on the CD-ROM for needed header files, etc, when compiling > from source files? IOW can I use the CD-ROM to compile, even if it will be > considerably slower? I assume you have the original, single-speed NeXT CD-ROM drive? You probably could, but you _really_ don't want to try this. The CD-ROM is going to be somewhere on the order of 10 to 25 times slower than compiling with the developer system on a hard drive. If that doesn't phaze you, then you'd probably have to link /lib, /usr/lib, and /NextDeveloper to the CD-ROM, and create the appropriate link between /usr/include and /NextDeveloper/Headers. > If so, what would the compile command look like? > > eg: romdas# cc ??? <filename.c> Basic compiler usage would be 'cc -o executable filename.c', but non-trivial programs are built using Makefiles, which you invoke via 'make'. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
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From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 11:57:54 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <337DFFAE.2122@earthlink.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <1997May16.101757.47505@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: >The only problem that I have with this is that dreaded White manubar strip. They stated on the webcast that the desktop will use "plug-ins" so that you may write your own custom looks. STEVE K.
From: blissful@beautified Subject: good humor Organization: fler-= Message-ID: <vp4uwHqY8GA.214@moosecat.mooselogic.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 02:08:52 -0700 x-no-archive:yes For who use pictures to communicate: please click on http://www.webcom.com/h49tld20/photo/prolab.html
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <8856863323226@digifix.com> Date: 18 May 1997 03:57:15 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <16065863928021@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: tim@tdanaher.demon.co.uk (Tim Danaher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re:Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 18:40:52 +0100 Organization: TelaArch Message-ID: <tim-1805971840520001@tdanaher.demon.co.uk> >Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: >>The only problem that I have with this is that dreaded White manubar strip. If i can add my tuppence worth here : The menu bar debate is very indicative of a certain mindset at Apple. It was invented as a solution operating on a 9" screen. Back then it made sense. As screen sizes increased it became less relevant and more of a hindrance. On anything over 16" it is absurd. However Apple have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on research to show that this is the _only_ solution in terms of usability. My Mac is set up to provide a similar solution to NeXT's pop-up system (using 3rd party utilities). It's a kludge, but it's much easier. However the sheer consistency and design thoroughness of NeXT's system is really something else. The first time i tried it i realised just what i'd been missing with my own feeble attempts. NeXT-style pop-ups should at least be an option on Rhapsody. That way you'd get back approx. 15 sq. cm of sreen real estate on a 17", and save yourself an awful lot of mousing around. Ta, Tim
From: colin@anderson.vt.com (Colin Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT manuals/books ? Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 15:17:20 -0600 Organization: Valley Tech Corporation Customer Message-ID: <colin-1805971517200001@anderson.vt.com> Hi, I'm yet another Mac user that bought a secondhand (manual-less) NeXTstation (Mono, non-turbo). While I have been able to install a few shareware apps onto this machine, I would like to learn how to do more with it. What books are/were available for the NeXTstation? What kinds of manuals came with the NeXTstation and where could I order them? Thanks, Colin Anderson colin@anderson.vt.com
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From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Telephone apps for NeXT Turbo? Date: 19 May 1997 00:34:43 GMT Organization: University of California, SF Message-ID: <5lo773$1arg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Are there any applications that make it possible to talk to someone else through a NeXT computer just as you would on the telephone? The 'talk' feature, where you type back and forth is OK, to be sure. But, speaking to someone in real (enough) time without the expense of long-distance would be fun, too. Thanks. John
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Telephone apps for NeXT Turbo? Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:23:09 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970519072210.10693H-100000@kira> References: <5lo773$1arg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <5lo773$1arg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> If you both have NeXT computers you could use the CB app... but I don't know how well it works.... ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/comm/CB.0.98b.NI.b.gnutar.gz TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling off of NeXT Developer CD-ROM Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:05:56 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970519065737.10693F-100000@kira> References: <5lleo2$vvg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <5lleo2$vvg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> Funny you should ask... I am planning on doing this very thing once the dust settles on my recent move. I've got 4.1 user and 3.3 dev. I installed the dev stuff on a separate HD and linked it to my main HD (in cases where 4.1 user already had a file from 3.3 dev I left the 4.1 version there). This allows me to compile NeXTStep apps under OpenStep. However, the quadfat installation takes up a lot of space, and I really only compiled on occasion, so I was thinking I could write a small script that would simply link the files from the CD-ROM (which NeXT setup so this could be done). I could then compile (all the makefiles should work since the headers will be linked to where they would normally be expected to be), and then have the same script unlink the CD-ROM (or else the CD will not be allowed to eject, I would think). My biggest concerns at this point are: - what about the patches for 3.3? Would these make a difference when compiling? - what about the post_install scripts? Do they change anything noteworthy that would effect compilations? TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT manuals/books ? Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:21:36 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970519070643.10693G-100000@kira> References: <colin-1805971517200001@anderson.vt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Colin Anderson <colin@anderson.vt.com> In-Reply-To: <colin-1805971517200001@anderson.vt.com> > What books are/were available for the NeXTstation? Very little was ever published, mainly for the low # of users versus cost of writing such a book... > What kinds of manuals came with the NeXTstation NeXT was never all that into printed materials... mostly online (fire up Librarian.app) > and where could I order them? You probably can't. When I asked about reproducing some of the materials and contacted NeXT's legal dept I was told: In June 1993 NeXT sold its hardware business, including copyright in the manual to which you are referring, to Canon Inc. of Japan, which re-sold the business to Firepower, Inc That was March of this year that I received this information, and was told that no contact information was available. If you really wanted to you might be able to find out who owns it now and if they have any left, but I would guess it would end up not being worth the time... TjL
From: bates_andy@tandem.com (Andy Bates) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:19:14 -0700 Organization: Tandem Computers Message-ID: <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> In article <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk>, julian @ whitetower.demon.co.uk (Julian Regel) wrote: > I like the Acorn RISC OS method (www.acorn.co.uk): There isn't a > global menu bar at all. If you want access to the menu, click the > second mouse button and a context sensitive menu pops up. I know apps > like Netscape support context sensitive menus but the Acorn ones are > the *only* menus. Saves screen space and means the user doesn't have > to trek to the top of the screen. Of course, the "trek" to the top of the screen isn't really a trek at all, since you just have to flick the mouse up and it's there. That's one of the benefits of an infinite-height menubar. Read up on Fitts' Law for why a top-of-screen menubar was chosen, and why it doesn't really matter how big the screen is. And as for context-sensitive menus, I much prefer a stable menubar that gives me general information on EVERYTHING I can do without any clicks, and specific information with one click. With a contextual menu, it's more confusing; where's the Shutdown command, in every contextual menu? It takes up extra space. If not, then where do you have to click to shut down? It's confusing. No, I think a standard global menubar is better. NeXT or Mac, I say...but I prefer Mac. And remember, NeXT made theirs vertical because Apple had the rights to the horizontal one. Andy Bates.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 19 May 1997 17:45:20 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> bates_andy@tandem.com (Andy Bates) wrote: > Of course, the "trek" to the top of the screen isn't really a > trek at all, since you just have to flick the mouse up and it's > there. That's one of the benefits of an infinite-height menubar. > Read up on Fitts' Law for why a top-of-screen menubar was chosen, > and why it doesn't really matter how big the screen is. This is outdated reasoning based on early GUI work. The fact is, when you shoot up to the top menubar, you still then have to refocus the pointer to the particular menu. Or you don't quite shoot it up, but guide it up. Much the same can be achieved by moving a floating menu palate to any edge of the screen, or better yet, into a corner of the screen, thus guaranteeing easy re-focusing. The MacUI is OLD, creaky, and based on technology constraints from the early 80's... > And as for context-sensitive menus, I much prefer a stable menubar > that gives me general information on EVERYTHING I can do without > any clicks, and specific information with one click. With a > contextual menu, it's more confusing; where's the Shutdown command, > in every contextual menu? It takes up extra space. If not, then > where do you have to click to shut down? It's confusing. This is absolutely silly. Without a doubt, one of the greatest things about win95 is the context sensitive menu bar. It saves a TON of mouse travel, and if you don't want to use it you don't have to. It simple puts under the mouse, a menu of all the things that are not dimmed under the regular menu when selecting an item. Who the heck wants to select a file, then go find the right menu choice in one of the menus, when one can simply click on the object and do it all in one fell swoop. I hate windows95 with a great passion, but even my bias doesn't cloud over this...this kind of functionality is an advance over the old status, stagnant, quo that is the mac UI... > NeXT or Mac, I say...but I prefer Mac. And remember, NeXT made > theirs vertical because Apple had the rights to the horizontal > one. Well, a horizontal menu bar is not protectable under US law. Neither is look N feel (as amptly demonstrated by Apple's mongo loss to ms). Regardless of why the decisions might have been made, they were the right decisions. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT manuals/books ? Date: 19 May 1997 17:59:12 GMT Organization: Dental Records (R) Message-ID: <5lq4dg$jm@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <colin-1805971517200001@anderson.vt.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970519070643.10693G-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970519070643.10693G-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > > > What books are/were available for the NeXTstation? > > Very little was ever published, mainly for the low # of users versus cost > of writing such a book... > > > > What kinds of manuals came with the NeXTstation > > NeXT was never all that into printed materials... mostly online (fire up > Librarian.app) > > > > and where could I order them? > > You probably can't. When I asked about reproducing some of the materials > and contacted NeXT's legal dept I was told: > > In June 1993 NeXT sold its hardware business, including copyright > in the manual to which you are referring, to Canon Inc. of Japan, > which re-sold the business to Firepower, Inc > > That was March of this year that I received this information, and was told > that no contact information was available. If you really wanted to you > might be able to find out who owns it now and if they have any left, but I > would guess it would end up not being worth the time... > > TjL > > > also the version of NeXTStep you are running / interested in running matters WRT books. There were at least three major sets of manuals: 2.x the large format white cover circa 1991 3.x the smaller format with black & gold covers (green type on covers) circa 1992 3.x the same size format as above but white covers with "blocks" graphics circa 1993 all were available at major bookstores as recently as 12 months ago. there is also a book on the "user experience" by Michael Shebanek circa 1993; it includes issues related to intel. -- Rick Sanford Dental Records[R] dental@precipice.com NeXTMAIL welcome http://www.precipice.com/~dental/ We're moving! Soon we'll be at: www.dentalrecords.com (additional whitespace brought to you curtesy of the alert panel telling me there's more quoted text than reply text.)
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From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IBM PC 365? Date: 19 May 97 16:07:15 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFA62B36-9B3CD@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc Just got back from WWDC and now I have to get a PC box to install my release 4.2 prerealease 2 NeXT development environment (along with WebObjects). I'm at a university so I don't have many options on hardware I can buy without having to do a justification report. I'm thinking of buying an IBM 365 P200 Pro. I don't care if I have SCSI, but I _do_ need to be able to install everything off the CD if I don't have SCSI. I understand I can do this if the CD-ROM is ATAPI compliant. Is this pretty much assured on any hardware you buy these days? Or should I be diligant and look into this? If I do have to buy SCSI, the IBM PC 365 can come with something called S.M.A.R.T. Fast/Wide SCSI with Ultra SCSI controller, but that's all the info they give. I don't see anything named S.M.A.R.T. on the hardware compatibility guide. It doesn't even look like the CD-ROM is SCSI when you have a SCSI controller. rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: cord@concentric.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Mon, 19 May 97 20:09:48 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <5lqc2k$c2c@chronicle.concentric.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In article <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >This is absolutely silly. Without a doubt, one of the greatest >things about win95 is the context sensitive menu bar. It saves a >TON of mouse travel, and if you don't want to use it you don't have >to. It simple puts under the mouse, a menu of all the things that >are not dimmed under the regular menu when selecting an item. Who >the heck wants to select a file, then go find the right menu choice >in one of the menus, when one can simply click on the object and >do it all in one fell swoop. I hate windows95 with a great passion, >but even my bias doesn't cloud over this...this kind of functionality >is an advance over the old status, stagnant, quo that is the mac >UI... I must agree here. There are valid reasons to criticize Microsoft, but after begrudgingly being forced to use W'95 the UI testing they did for it resulted in some pretty nifty improvements including the context sensitive pop-up menus, the ability to get at any window from the task bar (hidden or not), and they regained a slight lead in accessing multiple networking accounts. Much of those look as if they were lifted from Mac via OS/2; that single button mouse is getting a little anemic. The point is that since the UI lawsuit loss Microsoft has been given cart blanche to copy the best of any UI there is, and even they given this much time to do so will catch up, and if Apple doesn't leverage the new kernel to do things that would break W'9Xs back to copy there won't be a compeling enough reason to choose them. Sadly too many new users I come across say that they like the new Windows "because it's so easy to use", and they don't know there's a difference between it and Mac, and it doesn't help when John D'Vorak tells them they're right. cord
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From: ngervae@sirius.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NextStep Intel printing--experiences? Date: 20 May 1997 05:29:56 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <5lrcsk$k23@sun.sirius.com> So I'm about to buy a printer for my Intel box, and so far I've discovered the Dots and JetDriver packagers for running non-PostScript printers. I understand the licensing and most of the technical issues, so now I'm wondering, How well do they work? I'm planning to buy an Epson StylusColor 800. If you're successfully using that with OpenStep on Intel, I'd love to hear from you! If you have other printer recommendations, I'd love to hear that too. Please reply BY EMAIL to both of these addresses: ngervae @ sirius.com nik @ pdi.com Thanks. (Note: spaces inserted in email addresses above in a vain attempt to foil spambots.) ---- Nik Gervae, Technical Writer, San Francisco ngervae@sirius.com
From: ngervae@sirius.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Faxing on NextStep Intel with USR Sportster 36.6k Date: 20 May 1997 05:31:53 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <5lrd09$k33@sun.sirius.com> Does anybody have any news or experiences on how to fax from NextStep Intel? I have a USR Sportster 36.6k modem, and the only driver software I've come across is Jolly's Class 2 Fax, which doesn't work. Any help is appreciated. Please reply BY EMAIL. ---- Nik Gervae, Technical Writer, San Francisco ngervae@sirius.com
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From: michael@hesta.com (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Cannon GP200 Driver? Date: 20 May 1997 16:23:40 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5lsj6c$7th@corporate.hesta.com> Cc: bchin@richmond.freedomnet.com We are thinking of buying a multifunction (copy and print) machine from Cannon called a GP200 and attatching it to our network via ethernet. It has full postscript and PCL functionality - is there a driver for this? They have a Mac and Windows driver (no NT yet...) Can I get documents to print to it simply (no duplexing etc...) with a differnt driver ? What might the likelihood be that a driver would become available under Rhapsody? -- "A measure of a man is what he will do for someone who can offer but nothing in return." -Unattributed. MIME & NeXTMAIL accepted Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
From: Chris Wiggins <cw8co@herts.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:03:17 +0100 Organization: University of Hertfordshire Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970520130013.18791A-100000@altair.herts.ac.uk> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <337B2D72.20F8@sanger.med.wayne.edu> <5lhe3k$qnr@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5lhe3k$qnr@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com> > Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> wrote: > >John D. Kaminsky wrote: > >> > >> According to Cray, a current > >> T3E-900 with 450mhz processors runs at 504 Megaflops per processor. > >> The T3E-900 can handle up to 2048 processors, with an estimated >> performance > >> of >1 TeraFlop. > > > Thats all very well but how fast does it run Quake? A man after my own heart :) Someone who knows the real use of computers and a real scale of measuring speed. (watch out for Quake 2 with 1024 * 768 screen mode <grin> ) screen shots on the web. Chris Wiggins
From: Stefan Richter <richtest@bauwesen.tu-cottbus.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Followup-To: comp.sys.misc Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:23:27 +0200 Organization: tu cb Message-ID: <337F3B0F.421A@bauwesen.tu-cottbus.de> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <337B2D72.20F8@sanger.med.wayne.edu> <5lhe3k$qnr@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com> <337CC9FA.3413D312@gemsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >> According to Cray, [...] > > >> of >1 TeraFlop. > > Thats all very well but how fast does it run Quake?? > Approx. 500k frames per second. Slow isn't it? Impressing video subsystem. And a nice Monitor. :> -- Stefan Richter
From: erik@square.nl (Erik Hommersom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JOB: Netherlands - OpenStep Developers Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:58:47 +0100 Organization: Square BV Message-ID: <erik-2005972058470001@vl54.pi.net> Open Positions for OpenStep Developers The Square Development Team are looking for OpenStep Developers on temporary or permanent contract. Your area of software development at Square may become Document Management Solutions, with emphasis on paper to electronic document conversions, involving fully-automated press clipping software, image enhancement and optical character recognition for turn-key projects. Square is a Dutch company, located in Roermond, in the southern part of The Netherlands, at less than 60 kms distance from Maastricht, Eindhoven, Aachen and Dusseldorf. We have a tight and enthusiastic crew that specialise in developing software for Document Management Solutions as well as Service Management Solutions. Currently, the Square team consists of approximately 50 members. Do you have an object-oriented bias towards design and programming? Do you enjoy working in small teams in direct contact with customers? Do you have experiences using object-oriented tools, possibly under OpenStep? Are you interested in cross-platform developments based on OpenStep? Do you want to grow in and along with our company? If you are good at your job and feel triggered by the above, please send us your resume, an email message or give us a ring. We will be happy to provide you with all the details you want! Erik Hommersom Square BV Software Development tel 00-31-475-355-100 daytime tel 00-31-77-354-1156 evening fax 00-31-475-355-199 Buitenop 5 6041 LA Roermond The Netherlands
From: anon@non.non (No One) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 03:33:54 -0600 Organization: MBnet - Manitoba's Connection To The Internet Message-ID: <anon-ya02408000R1705970333540001@news.cyberspc.mb.ca> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net>, Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: > Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, > In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common > menubar is not > the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate the Window > menubar. Under > this scheme, every application would have a menu bar in its window. Here > are the > reasons why I feel that Apple should go for this scheme Ugh, nonsense, the Windows windows are swimming blue mess of jumbled colors and way too much detail. The menu bars, plus MS's idiotic handling of active/inactive winodw color schemes makes it hard to tell which window is in front. The MacOS was really designed by experts/geniuses in that it is always constant. The menu bar will always be in the same place, while some may prefer to have multiple menus, and some may be used to the universal menu bar I'm sure you'll agree a new computer user would be much more confused by a thousand different menu bars on screen. > . Using > the common menu bar with several instances of the same application can > be counter > intuitive. Even now, it is hard to differentiate which application the > menu is currently representing. This has resulted in numerous > frustrations when one accidentally quits the wrong application. THat's what the little icon on the right is for. Besides, multiple menu bars wouldn't help this problem, it would just pop up in other ways. A more practicle solution would be to make it more clear which app you are currently in. > > Samuel Chow
From: "Karl N. Matthias" <matthias.3@osu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Provider in Lyon, France? Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:29:22 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <338225C2.77EB@osu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All- I know this isn't the right group for this post but my posts keep getting lost in the mix everywhere else, and I was hoping someone in the smaller, friendlier NeXT community might help me out. I am looking for an Internet Service Provider in Lyon, France. I will be there for the summer, and don't want to be net-less. I found the France Telecom Wanadoo service, but was hoping there might be a slightly cheaper solution. I was also hoping to take care of setting an account up via e-mail so I don't have to pay the long distance and hassle with a tele-receptionist in French. If anyone can help out at all, please let me know. Thanks! Karl
From: datamagik@usa.net (Jay Riley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: DON'T POST THIS TO comp.sys.next.misc (Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:08:14 -0500 Organization: DATAMAGIK € Systems, Software, and Design Engineering Message-ID: <datamagik-2005971708140001@pmnet02-28.austin.texas.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970516063506.957C-100000@kira> In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.970516063506.957C-100000@kira>, Tim Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > Don't post this to comp.sys.next.misc ! > > > Keep this in the advocacy groups! > > > We've seen and read enough of this stuff, it's just speculation and rumor > and guessing and replying to it will just fill up newsfeeds with idle > speculation What topics is <news:comp.sys.next.misc> intended for? (for example I couldn't help but notice you posted this message to: comp.sys.next.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.next.misc, and comp.sys.mac.misc) Besides, as I understood it cross-posted messages are only actually fed through the newsfeed once with the newsserver using the references to make it appear in the various groups. Regards, Jay ===================================================================== = DATAMAGIK Systems, Software & Design Engineering Austin, Texas = 1-888-369-5741 <http://lonestar.texas.net/~riley> riley@texas.net = = Created on an Apple PowerBook 5300cs laptop using NewsWatcher 2.1.3 =
From: pett@cgl.ucsf.edu.delete.this.unless.youre.a.junk.emailer (Eric Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 20 May 1997 21:27:26 GMT Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Message-ID: <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> bates_andy@tandem.com (Andy Bates) wrote: > Of course, the "trek" to the top of the screen isn't really a trek at all, > since you just have to flick the mouse up and it's there. That's one of > the benefits of an infinite-height menubar. Read up on Fitts' Law for why > a top-of-screen menubar was chosen, and why it doesn't really matter how > big the screen is. It's a trek to get back to where you were before you had to go to the top of the screen to reach the menu. A pop-up menu has no such drawback. --- Eric Pettersen pett@diderot.ucsf.edu (NeXTmail capable)
From: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how to enable su for a user? Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:43:56 +0200 Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Physik, TU Berlin Message-ID: <1997051911435682552@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've created an account on a NeXTStation running NEXTSTEP 2.1. I can telnet into that account from outside, but when I try to su I get a message that it's not allowed for that user. How can I enable su-ability for a user? Where is that information being stored? Anfortunately I couln't find that into the admin manual. Thanks. -- Georg Schwarz schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de, kuroi@cs.tu-berlin.de Institut für Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130 Technische Universität Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
From: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: using an NTP server for a NeXT? Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:44:11 +0200 Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Physik, TU Berlin Message-ID: <1997051911441183464@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is it possible to specify a (non-NeXT) NTP (Network Time Protocol) server for a NeXT running NEXTSTEP 2.1? Is that capability already included in the OS, or do I need extra software such as ntpdate? Thanks. -- Georg Schwarz schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de, kuroi@cs.tu-berlin.de Institut für Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130 Technische Universität Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
From: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: specifying the NIS server? Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:43:48 +0200 Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Physik, TU Berlin Message-ID: <1997051911434882060@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm trying to make a NeXTStation running NEXTSTEP 2.1 act as a NIS client to a NIS server (a DECStation running Ultrix). On the NeXT I can specify the NIS domain name, but then it tries to find its NIS server through a broadcast which fails ad, as mentioned in the admin manual, the machine hangs during the startup process (the only way to get it back was to boot in single user mode hand change back hostconfig). Is there a way to explicitely specify a NIS server (or several ones), preventing the NeXT from doing a broadcast for it? As I understand it broadcasts only work within the same ethernet, while NIS (being ZCP/IP based) definitely works across routers. -- Georg Schwarz schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de, kuroi@cs.tu-berlin.de Institut für Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130 Technische Universität Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
From: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStation as X terminal? Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:43:52 +0200 Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Physik, TU Berlin Message-ID: <1997051911435282315@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got a b/w-NeXTStation (68040, 8 MB RAM) running NEXTSTEP 2.1. Could I turn it into an X terminal? To reduce administration, it would be best if, after booting, the NeXT already displayed the login screen of another machine (running e.g. Linux). Is that feasable? -- Georg Schwarz schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de, kuroi@cs.tu-berlin.de Institut für Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130 Technische Universität Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 21 May 1997 02:55:04 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5lto68$99c$2@news.platinum.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> it appeared that John Kheit wrote: > This is outdated reasoning based on early GUI work. The fact is, > when you shoot up to the top menubar, you still then have to refocus > the pointer to the particular menu. Or you don't quite shoot it > up, but guide it up. Much the same can be achieved by moving a > floating menu palate to any edge of the screen, or better yet, into > a corner of the screen, thus guaranteeing easy re-focusing. The > MacUI is OLD, creaky, and based on technology constraints from the > early 80's... John, do you get lots of flames for saying stuff like this, or am I really that much more abrasive than you? Notice that today I'm elsewhere picking on OS/2, just to be egalitarian... ;-> /gary -- "if nominated, I shall not run, if elected, I shall not serve." Pat Paulsen for President. Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5lsf2l$6p6@lal.interserv.com> Date: 20 May 1997 16:23:06 GMT Control: cancel <5lsf2l$6p6@lal.interserv.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5lsf2l$6p6@lal.interserv.com> Sender: FREEMONEY<J@king.com> Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: how to enable su for a user? Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:00:30 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970520205927.11204B-100000@kira> References: <1997051911435682552@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Georg Schwarz <schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <1997051911435682552@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Faq: the user has to be a memeber of the group 'wheel' Use /NextAdmin/UserManager.app (as root) to add them to wheel... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
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From: werner@ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: how to enable su for a user? Date: 21 May 1997 14:16:45 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <5lv04d$tku$1@salyko.cube.net> References: <1997051911435682552@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) wrote: >I've created an account on a NeXTStation running NEXTSTEP 2.1. I can >telnet into that account from outside, but when I try to su I get a >message that it's not allowed for that user. >How can I enable su-ability for a user? Where is that information being >stored? Anfortunately I couln't find that into the admin manual. >Thanks. > These users who shall have the permission to su root must be in the group "wheel" Regards, Werner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- IP - Gesellschaft fuer Praesentationen in Datennetzen mbH Goerresstr. 36, D-80798 Muenchen, Tel. 089/181628, Fax: 089/181648 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Vereinsbank Muenchen Amtsgericht Muenchen Dr. Werner Eberl BLZ 700 202 70 HRB 110159 eberl@ip-service.com Kto. 44208075 http://ip-service.com
From: werner@ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStation as X terminal? Date: 21 May 1997 14:20:01 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <5lv0ah$tku$2@salyko.cube.net> References: <1997051911435282315@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) wrote: >I've got a b/w-NeXTStation (68040, 8 MB RAM) running NEXTSTEP 2.1. >Could I turn it into an X terminal? To reduce administration, it would >be best if, after booting, the NeXT already displayed the login screen >of another machine (running e.g. Linux). Is that feasable? > There are free X-Servers for the NeXT, but I don't know if they run under 2.1 If you hack a little in the rc.-Files and the .xinit and so on it should work like you want, but I doubt it will be done in 15 minutes. Regards, Werner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- IP - Gesellschaft fuer Praesentationen in Datennetzen mbH Goerresstr. 36, D-80798 Muenchen, Tel. 089/181628, Fax: 089/181648 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Vereinsbank Muenchen Amtsgericht Muenchen Dr. Werner Eberl BLZ 700 202 70 HRB 110159 eberl@ip-service.com Kto. 44208075 http://ip-service.com
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two different video cards? Date: 21 May 97 10:56:11 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFA8854E-8AAB69@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc Is there any problem in using two different video cards from two different manufacturers as long as both are listed as being supported? rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
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From: andre@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Andre Schaefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: miniSQL 2.0 and EOF 1.1 on Nextstep 3.3 Date: 21 May 1997 14:18:51 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5lv08b$i9a$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <EA88qB.9z5@cam-ani.co.uk> In article <EA88qB.9z5@cam-ani.co.uk> ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) writes: > In article <17497134.25580.6502@kcbbs.gen.nz> writes: > > I don't think NeXTSTEP has the correct issue of the > > memory-moving/handling libraries to compile mSQL 2.0? Not oo sure, but > > check out the FAQ. With a helpful patch (rearding mmap) msql 2.0 is now up and running under Nextstep. Anyone interested can get the patch from me. I didn't do the compilation, so I probably cannot answer technical questions... > This isn't necessarily a problem, as it would be no trouble (and may be > beneficial) to actually run mSQL on another non-NeXT machine (and it's > probably no more than a few hours porting anyway). > > The big question will the ADAPTOR work - the short answer is almost > certainly not (I admit I'm guessing), but I too would be VERY intereted in > running mSQL2.0 as a backend to an EOF app (I'm currently prototyping > something for which mSQL1 isn't quite good enough, while 2.0 might be fill > a big gap - to the extent that this app could become viable). > > I guess the bottom line is, is anyone interested in rewritting the 1.0 > adaptor to work with 2.0? I'd be tempted to try if no one else will, but > obviously the original authors would be more appropriate. Also I'm still > on NeXTStep 3.3 and the old version of EOF that shipped with it - an > OpenStep/EOF2 version may be more appropriate. > > $an YES please. I just looked into the sources of the original adaptor, but do not understand very much. I do not know where the problems lie... Andre'
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From: rfl@localhost.enet.dec.com (Russell Leach {78830}) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 21 May 1997 15:07:47 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Distribution: world Message-ID: <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu> In article <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu>, pett@cgl.ucsf.edu.delete.this.unless.youre.a.junk.emailer (Eric Pettersen) writes: |>bates_andy@tandem.com (Andy Bates) wrote: |>> Of course, the "trek" to the top of the screen isn't really a trek at all, |>> since you just have to flick the mouse up and it's there. That's one of |>> the benefits of an infinite-height menubar. Read up on Fitts' Law for why |>> a top-of-screen menubar was chosen, and why it doesn't really matter how |>> big the screen is. |> |> It's a trek to get back to where you were before you had to go to |>the top of the screen to reach the menu. A pop-up menu has no such drawback. BUT pop-ups are _invisible_. The desktop menu provides the same function, with a visual cue. Sure a pop-up saves wear-&-tear on the wrist, but if you don't know what's there, you'll get less use from those functions. I speak from experience, with Interleaf 5, a Unix document processing app, whose entire interface is in contextual pop-ups, and there are a zillion contexts for the same piece of a document. You never know what'll come up. And the pop-ups can get mighty deep, with layer after layer after layer. This is an extreme example, but the benefit of at least having a minimal, visible starting point from which to reach a function in a GUI should not be overlooked. How about both? The current Mac GUI uses the menubar, but has lots of keyboard shortcuts. Most users learn some set of them and stop using the menu for this or that function. But the menus are there for less-used or forgotten items. Contextual pop-ups would be a perfect _addition_ to this system, not a replacement. -- ----------------------------------------------------- "Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that." ----------------------------------------------------- * Russ Leach * awhfy@tiac.net * rfl@swl.msd.ray.com
From: jinyu@eagle.pa.dec.com (Jin Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhapsody features? Date: 21 May 1997 20:49:25 GMT Organization: DEC Systems Research Center Message-ID: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> I missed the WWDC, and I am not able to find answers to the following questions on Apple's web sites. Maybe someone can fulfill my curiosity. Specifically, will Rhapsody have these important features offered by Nextstep: 1. Will Rhapsody support multi-user / time-sharing ? Nextstep does, ie. many users can login and work on one machine simultaneous. 2. Will Rhapsody support a network-transparent window system? Nextstep does, ie. a user may login to a remote Next, and run a graphical application with the -NSHost (or -NXHost) switch, and have the application displayed at his/her local Next. (how to integrate DPS and QuickDraw to support remote display?) This remote display feature is a common sense in the Unix/X world too. 3. Will Rhapsody have a Unix-like shell and various Unix utilities? Nextstep does, ie. 4.3BSD on top of Mach, and it has all the standard Unix utilities under /bin and /usr/bin. Please reply by email. Thanks! Jin
From: Donald_Brown@cesoft.com (Donald Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:22:06 -0500 Organization: CE Software Message-ID: <AFA8DFBE96681C4D10@204.152.71.67> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu> <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com> In article <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com>, rfl@localhost.enet.dec.com (Russell Leach {78830}) wrote: >How about both? The current Mac GUI uses the menubar, but has lots of >keyboard shortcuts. Most users learn some set of them and stop using the menu >for this or that function. But the menus are there for less-used or forgotten >items. Contextual pop-ups would be a perfect _addition_ to this system, not >a replacement. In fact, the features mentioned for Mac OS8 (due sometime this summer) includes contextual pop-up menus. Donald
From: "Greg Shaw" <gshaw@zeta.org.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: how to enable su for a user? Date: 21 May 1997 23:12:02 GMT Organization: Decisionware Message-ID: <01bc663b$48349340$114f6fcb@decisionware> References: <1997051911435682552@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970520205927.11204B-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is also a utility that I found quite useful and that is sudo. Sudo allows root to assign a specific user specific root commands that they can use as su. They can access no others. They can not change the ones they have access. And from ememory they do not need to be a member of 'wheel'. While adding a member to 'wheel' maybe the answer to this particular inquiry I thought I would mention sudo for any others for whom it would be a solution. Just search the web for 'sudo'. Cheers, Greg Shaw. Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote in article <Pine.SUN.3.96.970520205927.11204B-100000@kira>... > > Faq: the user has to be a memeber of the group 'wheel' > > Use /NextAdmin/UserManager.app (as root) to add them to wheel... > > TjL >
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From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 21 May 97 21:48:14 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFA91E23-AE964E@141.214.134.235> References: <anon-ya02408000R1705970333540001@news.cyberspc.mb.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.mac.misc Actually, they're going the other way. What I saw running at WWDC was a single menubar. Further, they got the desktop working like a Mac desktop and will be getting rid of the dock. rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 21 May 97 21:49:53 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFA91E85-AEAD67@141.214.134.235> References: <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.mac.misc Almost forgot... The scrollbars were on the right side of the windows. It looked just like a Mac. rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
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From: j.saunders@northpower.com.au Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Oz NeXT Cube wanted Date: 22 May 1997 03:50:42 GMT Organization: NorthPower Distribution: world Message-ID: <5m0fqi$8fq$1@merki.connect.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Is there any NeXT hardware for sale in Australia? (Preferably on the east-coast) I'm looking for at least a case and a keyboard. Thanks, Justin --------------------------------------------------------------| Justin Saunders | <insert witty quote here > | Justin_Saunders@premium.com.au| | --------------------------------------------------------------| --------------------------------------------------------- ce is in contextual pop-ups, and there are a zillion > contexts for the same piece of a document. You never know what'll come up. > And the pop-ups can get mighty deep, with layer after layer after layer. Let me point out that NEXTSTEP pop-ups are different. They're _not_ contextual; no matter where you are, it gives you the global menu for the app, the analog to the Mac menubar. And it's always available so you can always count on it to be there. But for novice users at least, I agree that there should always be something visible. I prefer NEXTSTEP's floating menu; and advanced users can move it out of the way and only use the pop-ups.
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:40:29 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2205970840290001@news.dol.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu> <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com> <5m0gcq$hd7@sps1.phys.vt.edu> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <5m0gcq$hd7@sps1.phys.vt.edu>, nurban@vt.edu wrote: > In article <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com>, rfl@swl.msd.ray.com wrote: > > > BUT pop-ups are _invisible_. The desktop menu provides the same function, > > with a visual cue. Sure a pop-up saves wear-&-tear on the wrist, but if you > > don't know what's there, you'll get less use from those functions. > > > I speak from experience, with Interleaf 5, a Unix document processing app, > > whose entire interface is in contextual pop-ups, and there are a zillion > > contexts for the same piece of a document. You never know what'll come up. > > And the pop-ups can get mighty deep, with layer after layer after layer. > > Let me point out that NEXTSTEP pop-ups are different. They're _not_ > contextual; no matter where you are, it gives you the global menu for > the app, the analog to the Mac menubar. And it's always available so > you can always count on it to be there. You can get this kind of menu with Kensington's TurboMouse. I currently have a 4 button mouse configured as follows (you can change it). Upper left--popup menu with all the application's menus, including the Apple menu. Fully functional and hierarchical. Upper right--popup menu listing all open applications so you can switch between them. Lower left--normal mouse button. Lower right--context sensitive menu (MacOS 8.0 feature). > > But for novice users at least, I agree that there should always be > something visible. I prefer NEXTSTEP's floating menu; and advanced > users can move it out of the way and only use the pop-ups. I like my current setup--things are visible the old way and also available by popups. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStation as X terminal? Date: 22 May 1997 14:49:23 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5m1mdj$ro5$3@news.th-darmstadt.de> References: <1997051911435282315@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Georg Schwarz (schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de) wrote: > I've got a b/w-NeXTStation (68040, 8 MB RAM) running NEXTSTEP 2.1. > Could I turn it into an X terminal? To reduce administration, it would > be best if, after booting, the NeXT already displayed the login screen > of another machine (running e.g. Linux). Is that feasable? For crying out loud, stop torturing the poor thing! Sell it to someone (I'm sure you'll get a couple 100 Deutschmark for it), and buy a cheap PC to run Linux. You'll save alot of time. Besides, X windows servers for black HW are neither fast not cheap - and I don't know where you could get an X server for 2.1 - hm, in a museum perhaps :-) Make a decent offer and I'll buy her. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: nurban@sps1.phys.vt.edu (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 22 May 1997 12:45:28 -0400 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5m1t78$jla@sps1.phys.vt.edu> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com> <5m0gcq$hd7@sps1.phys.vt.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2205970840290001@news.dol.net> In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2205970840290001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > You can get this kind of menu with Kensington's TurboMouse. I currently > have a 4 button mouse configured as follows (you can change it). > Upper left--popup menu with all the application's menus, including the > Apple menu. Fully functional and hierarchical. > Upper right--popup menu listing all open applications so you can switch > between them. > Lower left--normal mouse button. > Lower right--context sensitive menu (MacOS 8.0 feature). Pretty nice! Do you need a special mouse? Is the software commercial? > > But for novice users at least, I agree that there should always be > > something visible. I prefer NEXTSTEP's floating menu; and advanced > > users can move it out of the way and only use the pop-ups. > I like my current setup--things are visible the old way and also available > by popups. I'd like to retain the ability to tear off submenus, though, even if they are accessible through pop-ups.. sometimes it's more convenient to put a submenu right next to your document and move back and forth.. partly because it saves time searching for the right submenu when you pop all of them up. Also, I like tearing off the Windows submenu (list of all open windows) so I can easily browse all my open documents (the list is always visible) and select among them.. very helpful when I'm using my web browser and have 20 documents open, for one.
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ATAPI CD-ROM problems (NEC CDR-1400). Can't install! Date: 22 May 97 12:57:13 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.hardware I'm trying to install OpenStep 4.2 (the one we got at WWDC) on Dell Optiplex GX Pro that doesn't have SCSI. I've tried to use all the NeXTAnswers at the web site for installing onto a system without SCSI, but with an ATAPI CD-ROM. We put both the harddrive and the CD-ROM on the primary controller and set the CD-ROM to slave and the harddrive to dual master. We go through the installation process with the floppies. I set the CD-ROM to be an Adaptec SCSI driver like one of the tech notes, with the harddrive to EIDE and that didn't work. I set the CD-ROM and hardrive to be dual primary/secondary ATAPI/EIDE and that didn't work. I tried just about every combination that I could think of and none of them work. By saying they don't work, here's what I mean: We get to the point where it recognizes the harddrive and that there's an ATAPI device. It then gets to the point of recognizing the correct CD-ROM. The line is: NEC CD-ROM Drive:282 3.07 The light on the CD-ROM lights up briefly, but then I get some error message about not getting a packet of information. It does that several times (I let it do this for about thirty minutes or so a few times before giving up). This happens whether there's a CD in it or not. Should this be working correctly? Anyone know what's going on? rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATAPI CD-ROM problems (NEC CDR-1400). Can't install! Date: 22 May 97 13:14:30 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFA9F740-E19D62@141.214.134.235> References: <199705221711.KAA18417@interchg.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.hardware On Thu, May 22, 1997 1:11 PM, godwin@unixg.ubc.ca <mailto:godwin@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote: >hmm is your NEC supported?? One of the NeXT Answers states that other CD-ROMs that aren't in the list should be supported, but to let them know if one doesn't work. Right now I'm not sure if the problem is the setup, or the CD-ROM. >how hard is it for you to get a SCSI and >CDROM? that's just the quickest way to solve the problem! (you can always >install the EIDE driver letter when the system is setup) I may do that, or I may just purchase an IBM PC 365 (one of the computers listed as working). rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: bny@spamdunk_cut_here_crl.com (Brad Yearwood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATAPI CD-ROM problems (NEC CDR-1400). Can't install! Date: 22 May 1997 11:50:19 -0700 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Message-ID: <5m24hb$mma@crl2.crl.com> References: <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235> In article <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235>, Robert A. Decker <comrade@umich.edu> wrote: > > I'm trying to install OpenStep 4.2 (the one we got at WWDC) on Dell >Optiplex GX Pro that doesn't have SCSI. > > I've tried to use all the NeXTAnswers at the web site for installing onto >a system without SCSI, but with an ATAPI CD-ROM. We put both the harddrive >and the CD-ROM on the primary controller and set the CD-ROM to slave and >the harddrive to dual master. > We go through the installation process with the floppies. I set the >CD-ROM to be an Adaptec SCSI driver like one of the tech notes, with the >harddrive to EIDE and that didn't work. I set the CD-ROM and hardrive to be >dual primary/secondary ATAPI/EIDE and that didn't work. I tried just about >every combination that I could think of and none of them work. > > > By saying they don't work, here's what I mean: We get to the point where >it recognizes the harddrive and that there's an ATAPI device. It then gets >to the point of recognizing the correct CD-ROM. The line is: >NEC CD-ROM Drive:282 3.07 I would be inclined to blame an incompatibility with the NEC drive. Note in NeXTanswer 2265 that no NEC drives are in the supported list, and 2 NEC drives are in the Known Problems list. I was able to install successfully, after a bit of hassle, from a Toshiba 5602 drive. It's not in the supported list, but the 5302 is. The hassle factor came in the form of conflicting and confusing information and some unexpected behavior. The machine has two EIDE interfaces, and was originally configured with the hard disk on one, and the CD-ROM on the other. I tried to get this to work with the Dual EIDE driver option, but it would not recognize the CD drive. I then moved the CD drive to the slave position on the first EIDE interface. This worked, but I can't recall exactly which driver choices I used - probably just the normal EIDE driver (not the dual), specifying that to the install dialog for both the CD and hard disk interfaces. Whichever tech note suggests specifying the CD as SCSI with an Adaptech interface, is either obsolete or a red herring. Once the kernel starts, the device probe messages hint that at some point the CD may be internally spoofed up to look like it's on SCSI, but from the user's point of view, this now seems to be irrelevant. Once the installer could see the CD, everything installed and ran fine, and CD insertion and operations work fine in the running OS. I'd suggest that the first thing to do is to buy/beg/borrow a CD drive which is at first glance related to one listed in NeXTanswers 2265, and hook it up to the slave position on the first EIDE. [Following is irrelevant to the query, but I'm exploiting the forum to troll for help on another Prelude install glitch.] See also my gripe in comp.sys.next.software about WebObject Builder not being runnable on Mach due to some apparent missing things (looks like they're part of EOF, which wasn't in the Prelude package). It does appear to run OK when installed on NT (gak, phooey), though. Brad Yearwood bny@spamdunk_cut_here_crl.com (make that crl.com) Cotati, CA
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From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATAPI CD-ROM problems (NEC CDR-1400). Can't install! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 22 May 1997 20:26:59 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5m2a6j$m1$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235> <5m24hb$mma@crl2.crl.com> you can get EOF runtime somewhere in nextanswers or ftp.next.com
From: Melissa O'Neill <NoOnSePiAlMl@cs.sfu.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.java.setup Subject: Problems w/ Kaffe 0.9 [next-m68k] (undef'd syms _java_util_zip_*) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 23 May 1997 00:03:13 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Message-ID: <5m2ms1$t35$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> I succeeded in compiling Kaffe 0.9, now I just have the little problem of actually getting it to run. Right now, it seems to have problems loading its native library, which appear to be due to undefined symbols blocking the dynamic load process. I added some diagnostic code to its ``shared libary'' loader, so I'd actually see what the problem was, and it seems that there are `stubs' defined for java_lang_reflect_Field_<whatever> and java_util_zip_<whatever> but no definitions anywhere. Any help would certainly be appreciated, enclosed is the error report. Melissa. P.S. If you want to reply by e-mail, you'll have to remove `N O S P A M' from my e-mail address. Sorry for the inconvenience. Enc. next_mach_3.3% ./kaffe/kaffe/kaffe test/HelloWorldApp.java rld(): can't open: /usr/lib/libkaffe_native.o (No such file or directory, errno = 2) Library load of /usr/lib/libkaffe_native.o failed: (see above) rld(): Undefined symbols: _java_lang_reflect_Field_getBoolean _java_lang_reflect_Field_getByte _java_lang_reflect_Field_getChar _java_lang_reflect_Field_getDouble _java_lang_reflect_Field_getFloat _java_lang_reflect_Field_getInt _java_lang_reflect_Field_getLong _java_lang_reflect_Field_getModifiers _java_lang_reflect_Field_getShort _java_lang_reflect_Field_setBoolean _java_lang_reflect_Field_setByte _java_lang_reflect_Field_setChar _java_lang_reflect_Field_setDouble _java_lang_reflect_Field_setFloat _java_lang_reflect_Field_setInt _java_lang_reflect_Field_setLong _java_lang_reflect_Field_setShort _java_util_zip_Adler32_update _java_util_zip_Adler32_update1 _java_util_zip_CRC32_update _java_util_zip_CRC32_update1 _java_util_zip_Deflater_deflate _java_util_zip_Deflater_end _java_util_zip_Deflater_getAdler _java_util_zip_Deflater_getTotalIn _java_util_zip_Deflater_getTotalOut _java_util_zip_Deflater_init _java_util_zip_Deflater_reset _java_util_zip_Deflater_setDictionary _java_util_zip_Inflater_end _java_util_zip_Inflater_getAdler _java_util_zip_Inflater_getTotalIn _java_util_zip_Inflater_getTotalOut _java_util_zip_Inflater_inflate _java_util_zip_Inflater_init _java_util_zip_Inflater_reset _java_util_zip_Inflater_setDictionary Library load of /usr/local/lib/libkaffe_native.o failed: (See above) Failed to locate native library in path: /usr/lib:/usr/local/lib Aborting.
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PCD capable CDROM drives for NeXT Date: 23 May 1997 00:12:22 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5m2nd6$7ff$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> It was always hard to read PhotoCDs on a NeXT, I think. A multi-session PCD drive spits out the CD if it is a multi-session CD, and a normal drive doesn't spit it out but reads only the 1st session. Then this wonderful driver from a German company came, and one could read multi session PCDs after all. Until 4.x came... Now you can access only the first 26 files. So, I heard that there are drives around that can handle multi-session PCDs and pretend to the computer that it's a normal CD, so that a stupid computer, like a NeXT, doesn't get confused. I think that it's quite ridiculous that in 1997 NeXT still doesn't have a PCD driver that would work. Anyone out there has any solutions? I'd like to solve it with a CDROM drive, so that it works on Motorola, Intel and Sparc, rather than some kind of driver that breaks with each system upgrade. Thanks! - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: gmark@grayfox.svs.com (G. Mark Stewart) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 23 May 1997 03:46:52 GMT Organization: Sun Valley SoftWare Message-ID: <5m33vc$8lr$1@brownfox.svs.com> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> Jin Yu (jinyu@eagle.pa.dec.com) wrote: : I missed the WWDC, and I am not able to find answers to the following : questions on Apple's web sites. Maybe someone can fulfill my curiosity. : Specifically, will Rhapsody have these important features offered by : Nextstep: [...] : Please reply by email. Thanks! If you know or have a guess, DON'T reply by e-mail -- post it. GMS http://www.svs.com/users/gmark
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Switching video modes without seeing what your're doing? Date: 23 May 97 02:32:20 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFAAB237-1224C1@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc A few times now my monitor has blanked out at certain video modes. Is there a way to switch resolution/etc. without seeing the desktop? What can I do to switch without having to reinstall? rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: jinyu@eagle.pa.dec.com (Jin Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NXHost protocol? Date: 23 May 1997 07:34:11 GMT Organization: DEC Systems Research Center Message-ID: <5m3h9j$jgt@src-news.pa.dec.com> I am interested in the protocol behind NeXT's remote display mechanism, ie. how does a NeXT app display to a remote WindowServer using -NXHost? What is the communication channel? using TCP/IP like X protocol? Mach port? ... Is the protocol public? Any docs? I assume an app sends a stream of binary PS 2 to the remote WindowServer. But I would like to know the detailed mechanism... Please reply by email, thanks... Jin
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 03:33:18 -0600 From: Benoit.Marchant@questintl.com Subject: How use rumba so that users can write on mounted directory ? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <864376023.27678@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service Hi, I succed to mount a NT shared drive while logged in as root with: rumba //nt_server/shared /nt -U John -P Thanks -s NT_SERVER the nt drive is mounted with root access permissions. I made chown root rumba chmod u+s rumba and while logged in as user corresponding to John/Thanks rumba //nt_server/shared /nt -U John -P Thanks -s NT_SERVER answered me: error connecting to server: [1] Not owner Does anyone has a script or an idea to get nt drive mounted on OpenStep client with rumba with netinfo ? Thanks in advance for help Best Regards, Benoit Marchant -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: tsnSSSmith@csd.net Newsgroups: alt.online-service.america-online,alt.online-service.compuserve,alt.online-service.freenet,alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.microsoft,alt.online-service.prodigy,biz.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables,misc.forsale.computers.memory,misc.forsale.computers.modems,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc,misc.forsale.computers.other.software,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.storage Subject: INTERNET ACCESS WITHOUT A TELEPHONE LINE%%%%%%%%@! Date: Fri, 23 May 97 11:01:34 GMT Organization: MegsInet, Inc. - Midwestern Internet Services Message-ID: <5m3t7j$hls$1@news.megsinet.net> Wireless Internet Access!!!!!!!!! Its finally here http://www.deadfrog.net/infonow We need distributors in the US and Canada!!!!!!
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXFontsPaths question Date: 23 May 1997 19:57:19 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5m4sqv$9k4@crcnis3.unl.edu> I'm trying to get working the idea of using other folders besides the standard /NextLibrary/Fonts, /LocalLibrary/Fonts, and ~/Library/Fonts for locating fonts. I've been unsuccessful. I'm trying manually set the GLOBAL defaults value NXFontsPaths. I've set it using: dwrite GLOBAL NXFontsPaths /NextLibrary/Fonts:/LocalLibrary/Fonts:~/Library/Fonts/:~/Library/Fonts/New At this point, I 1. I've placed some fonts into ~/Library/Fonts/New 2. I issue (to be paranoid): buildafmdir ~/Library/Fonts/New Now I attempt to use the fonts in ~/Library/Fonts/New in an application. For example, I now launch Edit, and try to change fonts using the Font Panel. My new fonts are LISTED, but don't work (they appear as Courier). Addtional information: 1. If I don't update NXFontsPaths, the new fonts aren't listed (and don't work, of course). 2. The Workspace/Font Panel (whatever) is smart enough to auto-update the font cache on changing the contents of the "New" font directory, ie, after a change, the next app's Font Panel I open pauses for a few moments saying: "Incorporating information about new fonts... (please wait)". 3. I could've SWORN at one time in my own testing, I got this to work. But I can't duplicate my apparent success. 4. I've tried logging-out, restarting the window server, logging back in, without any change. 5. I've tried using the Preferences module FontSearch.preferences (v0.85), but it doesn't seem to work (for me). Anyone have ideas about what I might be doing wrong? Or if this is even possible? -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:13:51 -0700 Organization: Abacus Concepts, Inc. Message-ID: <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jin Yu wrote: > I missed the WWDC, and I am not able to find answers to the following > questions on Apple's web sites. Maybe someone can fulfill my curiosity. > > Specifically, will Rhapsody have these important features offered by > Nextstep: > > 1. Will Rhapsody support multi-user / time-sharing ? > Nextstep does, ie. many users can login and work on one machine > simultaneous. Yes. Long term, a Rhapsody will be Apple's server solutions, although I understand that the server line is sticking with AIX for the time being. I believe it's due to the fact that OpenStep doesn't scale well when you have lots of simultaneous users. > 2. Will Rhapsody support a network-transparent window system? > Nextstep does, ie. a user may login to a remote Next, and run a graphical > application with the -NSHost (or -NXHost) switch, and have the > application displayed at his/her local Next. (how to integrate DPS and > QuickDraw to support remote display?) This remote display feature is a > common sense in the Unix/X world too. Yes, although I imagine that QuickDraw 3D and QuickTime might not work remotely. > 3. Will Rhapsody have a Unix-like shell and various Unix utilities? > Nextstep does, ie. 4.3BSD on top of Mach, and it has all the standard > Unix utilities under /bin and /usr/bin. Yes, although Apple will make every effort to hide this stuff from people who don't want to see it.
From: "Jeffrey R. Paules" <paules@albany.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SAMBA capabilities Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:24:16 -0400 Organization: QED Associates Message-ID: <33860B00.1E08@albany.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the SAMBA implementation in OpenStep 4.X permit printing from Win95 clients to a Next Laser printer connected to a slab? Any experience would be helpful. Jeff Paules paules@albany.net
From: Jeffrey Koppi <jkoppi@diehlgraphsoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: domain name server Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:53:51 -0400 Organization: Diehl Graphsoft, Inc. Message-ID: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I specify my Domain Name Server (DNS) in OpenStep 4.2 (Mach Intel)? I run OmniWeb, and it says "No such Host" for any URL I enter. If I type in the address number instead of the domain name it works. Jeff jkoppi@diehlgraphsoft.com
From: pett@cgl.ucsf.edu.delete.this.unless.youre.a.junk.emailer (Eric Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 23 May 1997 23:58:39 GMT Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Message-ID: <5m5avf$cvd@cgl.ucsf.edu> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu> <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com> rfl@localhost.enet.dec.com (Russell Leach {78830}) wrote: > > In article <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu>, Eric Pettersen writes: > >It's a trek to get back to where you were before you had to go to the > >top of the screen to reach the menu. A pop-up menu has no such drawback. > > BUT pop-ups are _invisible_. The desktop menu provides the same > function, with a visual cue. Sure a pop-up saves wear-&-tear on the > wrist, but if you don't know what's there, you'll get less use from > those functions. > > I speak from experience, with Interleaf 5, a Unix document processing > app, whose entire interface is in contextual pop-ups, and there are a > zillion contexts for the same piece of a document. You never know > what'll come up. And the pop-ups can get mighty deep, with layer after > layer after layer. This is an extreme example, but the benefit of at > least having a minimal, visible starting point from which to reach a > function in a GUI should not be overlooked. > > How about both? The current Mac GUI uses the menubar, but has lots of > keyboard shortcuts. Most users learn some set of them and stop using > the menu for this or that function. But the menus are there for less-used > or forgotten items. Contextual pop-ups would be a perfect _addition_ > to this system, not a replacement. NEXTSTEP already _does_ use both. You can pop up a menu under the right mouse button, and that self-same menu is available in the top left corner of the screen (i.e. no surprises in the pop up menu). You can't easily use a scree-wide menu strip as a pop up. Command key shortcuts are also available. --- Eric Pettersen pett@diderot.ucsf.edu (NeXTmail capable)
From: *jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:43:28 +0100 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> In article <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com>, Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: > Yes. Long term, a Rhapsody will be Apple's server solutions, although I > understand that the server line is sticking with AIX for the time > being. I believe it's due to the fact that OpenStep doesn't scale well > when you have lots of simultaneous users. The very next OS to be produced for Apple's 500 and 700 series servers is Rhapsody. They are not waiting for any other reason than it ain't ready. thye already cancelled updates to AIX. -- You aren't free if you CAN choose - only if you DO choose. All you are is the decisions you make. Remove "*" to reply via email
From: cgray@metronet.com (Charles Gray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:30:12 -0600 Organization: TMI news testing Message-ID: <cgray-2305972230120001@dal160.metronet.com> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> <01bc5f8f$ba994460$15621ecb@homer.effect.net.au> In article <01bc5f8f$ba994460$15621ecb@homer.effect.net.au>, "Josh McDonald" <os-dev@effect.net.au> wrote: > > I think that you are mistaken. The teraflop machine is a intel piece of > > shit built using 32 bit chips Pentium Pros running a hack of Unikos. I > > could be confussing it with a DOE computer but it costed over 60 million > > to build and is not scalar but is capable of teraflop calculations with > > its 7000 processors. > > What a fucking wate of good money. Crays do that for half the cost. > > No machine save the huge intel beast has ever achieved a teraflop, for any > amount > of money. > > -Josh Cray claims their T3E-900 can achieve 1.8 teraflops: http://www.cray.com/PUBLIC/product-info/T3E/CRAY_T3E-900.html -- cgray@metronet.com http://www.metronet.com/~cgray
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: domain name server Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:03:42 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> References: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jeffrey Koppi <jkoppi@diehlgraphsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> You need to setup an /etc/resolv.conf from the 4.1 release notes/aka the ppp faq: Name Resolution Once you have a PPP connection up, you may notice that your machine will not be able to resolve the names of machines to their IP addresses. You can check this by trying to telnet to a machine outside your local domain. If "telnet <IP address of machine>" is successful, but "telnet <machinename>" is not, then your name resolution is not configured correctly. The fix is to edit the file /etc/resolv.conf. This file contains two important items. The first is your domain name. This is the name that is automatically tacked on to a computer name if you don't specify the complete name. For example if my domain is 'cps.msu.edu' and I enter 'telnet sidney', the computer will try 'telnet sidney.cps.msu.edu' (although, it will not print this name on the command line). The second thing is a list of name servers. These should be local to your ppp provider. Your network administrator will be able to provide you with the appropriate addresses. There are default name servers to use in case the local provider is not responding. An example file might look like: domain cps.msu.edu # # Insert local name servers here # # # MSU name servers # nameserver 35.8.2.41 nameserver 35.8.2.41 nameserver 128.247.160.56 # # Other servers -- hopefully something will work if needed #shadooby.cc.umich.edu nameserver 35.1.1.91 #ns.nasa.gov nameserver 128.102.16.10 You will need to reboot your computer for the new nameservers to take effect. TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NS/OS users: My 'other sites' page has been entirely reworked
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:32:07 -0600 From: Benoit.Marchant@questintl.com Subject: New NFS Client for NextStep, OS 4.1, O.S 4.2 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <864458820.17741@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service Hi, I experience troubles using an NT Server as a file server througth NFS with OpenStep 4.1 Clients. Other people got the same troubles with SGI servers. I rode in this thread that NeXT had a patch for it ? NeXT, is it correct ? If it is not possible to be supported by NeXT itself, would it be possible for someone with that knowledge and a bit of time to adapt the NFS Client of Linux for which source code is available to NeXTSTEP/OpenStep for Mach ? Best regards, Benoit Marchant -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: Bastian Schlueter <Bastian.Schlueter@gmd.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATAPI CD-ROM problems (NEC CDR-1400). Can't install! Date: 23 May 1997 19:46:54 GMT Organization: Marvins home, a small place in Universe Message-ID: <5m4s7e$23c@marvin.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235> Organisation: RRR "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> wrote: > > I'm trying to install OpenStep 4.2 (the one we got at WWDC) on Dell > Optiplex GX Pro that doesn't have SCSI. [...] > By saying they don't work, here's what I mean: We get to the point where > it recognizes the harddrive and that there's an ATAPI device. It then gets > to the point of recognizing the correct CD-ROM. The line is: > NEC CD-ROM Drive:282 3.07 [...] > Should this be working correctly? Anyone know what's going on? Hi Robert, i had exactly the same problem with the same drive. It doesn't even work after installing from a different CD-drive. I think it's because the NEC is ATAPI 2.5 and NeXT supports only ATAPI 2.1. So get a different drive. ciao Bastian -- e-mail: Bastian.Schlueter@gmd.de http://www.first.gmd.de/~buzz RRR100R -- Was wir da machen ist verboten, aber es ist wunderbar (TSS) --
From: Gerald Wildgruber <gewil@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Selective Display of files in Workspace Manager ? Date: 24 May 1997 14:54:46 +0200 Organization: Apatheia Corp. Sender: gewil@ue801be Distribution: world Message-ID: <x7bu61xc6h.fsf@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> Can I configure Workspace Manager in a way that it wouldn't display all of the files in a given directory: it should omit those with a certain extension or those whose names match a special regexp ? Thanks for your hints. Gerald -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gerald Wildgruber No one can have an idea gewil@ue801be.ppp. once he starts really lrz-muenchen.de listening. - John Cage (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Selective Display of files in Workspace Manager ? Date: 24 May 1997 13:29:50 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5m6qge$7em$1@news2.apple.com> References: <x7bu61xc6h.fsf@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> In article <x7bu61xc6h.fsf@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> Gerald Wildgruber <gewil@ue801be.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de> writes: > > Can I configure Workspace Manager in a way that it wouldn't display all of > the files in a given directory: it should omit those with a certain > extension or those whose names match a special regexp ? You can create a file called ".hidden" in any directory, and list in there the files you don't want normally displayed. But it doesn't do pattern matching - they have to be the exact file names. Then you can override that filtering by switching to unix expert mode using the preferences app. joe
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From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dvorak keyboard layout? Date: 24 May 97 19:03:31 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFACEC09-51CC4@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc Can anyone give me pointers for setting up a Dvorak keyboard layout? rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: jinyu@eagle.pa.dec.com (Jin Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: OS for Mach NXHost to OS for non-Mach Date: 25 May 1997 00:20:57 GMT Organization: DEC Systems Research Center Message-ID: <5m80l9$cjq@src-news.pa.dec.com> Can you run an app from OPENSTEP for Mach (whether intel, sparc, or motorola) and have it displayed (NXHost'ed) to an OPENSTEP for non-Mach machine (winnt, solaris) ? I have heard that you can run apps from OS for Mach and display it to OS for WinNT, but not visa versa... Specificly, I would like to know whether it is possible to display apps from OS for Mach to OS for Solaris. Please reply by email. Thanks. Jin
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStation as X terminal? Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 22:20:21 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <3387A1E2.60AD@BellAtlantic.net> References: <1997051911435282315@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <5m1mdj$ro5$3@news.th-darmstadt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de Georg Schwarz (schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de) wrote: > I've got a b/w-NeXTStation (68040, 8 MB RAM) running NEXTSTEP > 2.1. Could I turn it into an X terminal? To reduce administration, > it would be best if, after booting, the NeXT already displayed the > login screen of another machine (running e.g. Linux). Is that > feasable? You could take a look at XNeXT. It is a shareware X11R6 server for NeXTstep. I'm not certain that it will run on NS 2.1 but you can give it a try. To get the thing to boot into the login screen you need to run some special program to create a login window on your X terminal/NeXT and make the XNeXT.app an autolaunch program in the NeXTstep dock. Look on www.peak.org for XNeXT.app - Jeff Dutky
From: Jon@uts.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: *writers/seeking/publication Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 22:53:42 Organization: Internet MCI Message-ID: <5m89g7$ec6$98@news.internetmci.com> We are the International Literary Agency of New York. We also have 2 other branches, one in the Lake George region of New York and the other in Marco Island, Florida, consequently we are able to accept new clients. Please adhere strictly to the following guidelines for submission of all fiction & nonfiction. Fiction: Brief synopsis, first chapter, self-addressed, stamped envelope (S.A.S.E.) Nonfiction: Brief synopsis, first chapter, S.A.S.E. Screenplays: (for TV & Movies) Brief synopsis, first 20 pages, S.A.S.E. Short Stories: Brief synopsis, first 3 pages, S.A.S.E. Poetry: Send in 3 of your best poems only, S.A.S.E. Woodside International Literary Agency 1190 North Collier Blvd. Marco Island, Florida 34145 (941) 642-9660 Please do not send in complete manuscript unless invited.
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From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Can't get networking up with Prelude... Date: 24 May 97 23:12:04 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFAD2648-12CD95@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy Can anyone point me to some decent info on getting networking started under NeXT? Should I be editing my files in etc? I seem to be blatantly ignored when I do this. Or should I use SimpleNetworkStarter? When I use this I am once again ignored. It says configuration is succesfull, but then goes back to the default IP address of 192.42.172.1 the next time I run it. I have no idea where it got that address. Or should I use netInfoManager? This also doesn't seem to work, but it does seem to keep my changes each time I run it. thanks, rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Prelude won't install DeveloperLibs Date: 24 May 97 23:17:51 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFAD27A6-131FAF@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.programmer When I try to install the DeveloperLibs from the Prelude Openstep Developer CD (on Mach) the installer seems to crash (it just disapears without doing anything). If I open the installer app and then open the DeveloperLibs package through that I can install it. However, I had problems the last time I did it. I had to reboot for a different reason, and during the reboot some errors came up when loading some libraries (something about an invalid CPU type) and wouldn't let me go any further. I had to reinstall. Anyone else get around this? rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude won't install DeveloperLibs Date: 25 May 1997 03:45:47 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5m8clb$3j4$1@news.digifix.com> References: <AFAD27A6-131FAF@141.214.134.235> In-Reply-To: <AFAD27A6-131FAF@141.214.134.235> Note that I've changed the newsgroups slightly On 05/24/97, "Robert A. Decker" wrote: > > When I try to install the DeveloperLibs from the Prelude Openstep >Developer CD (on Mach) the installer seems to crash (it just disapears >without doing anything). > > If I open the installer app and then open the DeveloperLibs package >through that I can install it. However, I had problems the last time I did >it. I had to reboot for a different reason, and during the reboot some >errors came up when loading some libraries (something about an invalid CPU >type) and wouldn't let me go any further. I had to reinstall. > > Anyone else get around this? > I had a similar problem attempting to install the 4.2 Prelude as a upgrade on a 4.1 machine... Something ended up munching some pretty important files and that machine won't boot... -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <16065863928021@digifix.com> Date: 25 May 1997 03:57:50 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <12797864532834@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: "H.W. Stockman" <hwstock@mail.swcp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 16:39:58 -0600 Organization: myself Message-ID: <33876E3E.4EDB@mail.swcp.com> References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <E9EnIM.uz.B.mary@bath.ac.uk> <336D871D.6ED4@virginia.edu> <pxpst2+-0805971129270001@pelli.pathology.pitt.edu> <01bc5f8f$ba994460$15621ecb@homer.effect.net.au> <cgray-2305972230120001@dal160.metronet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles Gray wrote: > Cray claims their T3E-900 can achieve 1.8 teraflops: > > http://www.cray.com/PUBLIC/product-info/T3E/CRAY_T3E-900.html I don't believe Cray has ever put together a configuration that achieves the stated estimate. Perhaps I am naive, but I think it will take more than delivering a bunch of cabinets to the same room to get the speculated performance. ------------------------------ Harlan W. Stockman hwstock@swcp.com
From: decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: domain name server Date: 25 May 1997 09:43:13 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5m91jh$4ma$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > You need to setup an /etc/resolv.conf > > The second thing is a list of name servers. These should be local to your > ppp provider. Your network administrator will be able to provide you with > the appropriate addresses. There are default name servers to use in case > the local provider is not responding. An example file might look like: > I haven't been able to figure out how to setup two NEXTSTEP machines networked together where one of them has the modem and connects to the ISP with ppp. The other one doesn't get the domain service. Should the other one automatically get domain name service from the one running ppp if the first is a NetInfo client of the second? I haven't been able to get the client to be a client. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100, Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenXber@mhpXcc.edu <Delete the "X"s; done to stop junk e-mail> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~Xaltenber/ <Delete the "X"> =======================================================================
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From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 07:04:14 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Message-ID: <j-norstad-2505970704140001@legume186134.nuts.nwu.edu> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> In article <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com>, jinyu@eagle.pa.dec.com (Jin Yu) wrote: > I missed the WWDC I went and did the Rhapsody track. I'll try to answer your questions. > 1. Will Rhapsody support multi-user / time-sharing ? > Nextstep does, ie. many users can login and work on one machine > simultaneous. Yes. You can set up multiple UNIX usernames and passwords. You can telnet to your Rhapsody box. Rhapsody will have the usual UNIX file system permissions. > 2. Will Rhapsody support a network-transparent window system? > Nextstep does, ie. a user may login to a remote Next, and run a graphical > application with the -NSHost (or -NXHost) switch, and have the > application displayed at his/her local Next. (how to integrate DPS and > QuickDraw to support remote display?) This remote display feature is a > common sense in the Unix/X world too. Sorry, I don't know about this one. > 3. Will Rhapsody have a Unix-like shell and various Unix utilities? > Nextstep does, ie. 4.3BSD on top of Mach, and it has all the standard > Unix utilities under /bin and /usr/bin. Yes. Rhapsody will have the full BSD 4.4 distribution as an optional-install item. -- John Norstad <mailto:j-norstad@nwu.edu> <http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/jln/>
From: johnkl@globalxs.nl (John Klijnen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:40:02 +0100 Organization: GlobalXS, the Netherlands Message-ID: <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > > And as for context-sensitive menus, I much prefer a stable menubar > > that gives me general information on EVERYTHING I can do without > > any clicks, and specific information with one click. With a > > contextual menu, it's more confusing; where's the Shutdown command, > > in every contextual menu? It takes up extra space. If not, then > > where do you have to click to shut down? It's confusing. > > This is absolutely silly. Without a doubt, one of the greatest > things about win95 is the context sensitive menu bar. It saves a > TON of mouse travel, and if you don't want to use it you don't have > to. It simple puts under the mouse, a menu of all the things that > are not dimmed under the regular menu when selecting an item. Who > the heck wants to select a file, then go find the right menu choice > in one of the menus, when one can simply click on the object and > do it all in one fell swoop. I hate windows95 with a great passion, > but even my bias doesn't cloud over this...this kind of functionality > is an advance over the old status, stagnant, quo that is the mac > UI... The fact is that the popup menu's are not an invention of Microsoft! IBM's OS2 has been using them for as long as it has a GUI. And yes they are very practical. But for this you need a mouse with at least 2 buttons. This is not very practical because we all would have to buy new mouses;-( -- ---- John Klijnen http://www.globalxs.nl/home/j/johnkl/Johnkl.html Last update 14-5-1997
From: NoSpa.Mgustilo@mail.med.upenn.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Can't get networking up with Prelude... Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:00:30 -0400 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <NoSpa.Mgustilo-2505971100410001@ts5-1.upenn.edu> References: <AFAD2648-12CD95@141.214.134.235> In article <AFAD2648-12CD95@141.214.134.235>, "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> wrote: > Can anyone point me to some decent info on getting networking started > under NeXT? > > Should I be editing my files in etc? I seem to be blatantly ignored when > I do this. > > Or should I use SimpleNetworkStarter? When I use this I am once again > ignored. It says configuration is succesfull, but then goes back to the > default IP address of 192.42.172.1 the next time I run it. I have no idea > where it got that address. > > Or should I use netInfoManager? This also doesn't seem to work, but it > does seem to keep my changes each time I run it. I don't use NeXt but you can try: http://www.devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html ----------- Bicycle Crash Test Dummy for Hire gustilo@mail.med.upenn.edu
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From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 25 May 1997 15:49:48 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5m9n2s$3lr$1@news2.digex.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]> johnkl@globalxs.nl (John Klijnen) wrote: > IBM's OS2 has been using them for as long as it has a GUI. And > yes they are very practical. But for this you need a mouse with > at least 2 buttons. This is not very practical because we all > would have to buy new mouses;-( I don't think buying a mouse for 30bux is all too much to ask for that functionality. In the mean time, an alt click can be employed for those whose are reluctant to invest in a two button mouse. I tend to thing that a lot of people will opt and buy a two button mouse if they see the functional benefits. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:03:04 From: Cutting Edge Computers Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: We have another WINNER Message-ID: <33871035.0@ispc-news.cableinet.net> Organization: "Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet)" pippa@uunet.pipex.com has won the FREE Apocalypse 3D Accelarater. Check out our web site for the new competition www.cutting-edge.co.uk
From: Donald_Brown@cesoft.com (Donald Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:29:08 -0500 Organization: CE Software Message-ID: <AFAE0B449668EE65@dsm-ia2-08.ix.netcom.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]> In article <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]>, johnkl@globalxs.nl (John Klijnen) wrote: > The fact is that the popup menu's are not an invention of Microsoft! >IBM's OS2 has been using them for as long as it has a GUI. And yes they >are very practical. But for this you need a mouse with at least 2 >buttons. This is not very practical because we all would have to buy new >mouses;-( Check out the feature list for OS8. Popup menus can indeed be implemented without a two button mouse, and will be. Donald
From: Cutting Edge Computers Organization: "Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet)" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <33871035.0@ispc-news.cableinet.net> Message-ID: <cancel.33871035.0@ispc-news.cableinet.net> Control: cancel <33871035.0@ispc-news.cableinet.net> References: <33871035.0@ispc-news.cableinet.net> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:47:01 +0100 EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. The Breidbart index was 978.000. See report "www.cutting-edge.co.uk" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: We have another WINNER.
From: alex@_nospam_EagleChair.com (Aleksei M. Kac) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 19:18:31 -0600 Organization: Web Information Solutions Message-ID: <alex-2505971918320001@192.168.1.3> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]> <AFAE0B449668EE65@dsm-ia2-08.ix.netcom.com> In article <AFAE0B449668EE65@dsm-ia2-08.ix.netcom.com>, Donald_Brown@cesoft.com (Donald Brown) wrote: : In article <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]>, : johnkl@globalxs.nl (John Klijnen) wrote: : > The fact is that the popup menu's are not an invention of Microsoft! : >IBM's OS2 has been using them for as long as it has a GUI. And yes they : >are very practical. But for this you need a mouse with at least 2 : >buttons. This is not very practical because we all would have to buy new : >mouses;-( : : Check out the feature list for OS8. Popup menus can indeed be implemented : without a two button mouse, and will be. : One neat feature of the Kensington 2 and four button mice (I chose the 2 button), is that AUTOMATICALLY, you get contextual menus for a host of apps like Excel, Photoshop, and others. It really works well. In photoshop, when I select a tool, or am in a certain state, holding down the right mouse button brings up a menu of what I most likely would select from the menu. VERY cool. The best part is that the Kensington SW lets me customize this action for every App I have..including the Finder. Anyhow, can't wait for REAL contextual menus built in to the OS. -- Web Information Solutions <http://www.ProMotors.com/wis.html> <mailto:alex@EagleChair.com> Just take the _spam_ out of my email to reply...
From: bchin@NOSPAM.richmond.freedomnet.com (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: domain name server Date: 26 May 1997 01:33:30 GMT Organization: FreedomNet - Your Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <5map9a$5o3$1@news.freedomnet.com> References: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> <5m91jh$4ma$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) wrote: >In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: >> You need to setup an /etc/resolv.conf > >I haven't been able to figure out how to setup two NEXTSTEP machines >networked together where one of them has the modem and connects to the >ISP with ppp. The other one doesn't get the domain service. Should the >other one automatically get domain name service from the one running ppp >if the first is a NetInfo client of the second? I haven't been able to >get the client to be a client. > Automatically, no. DNS resolution happens directly from each host. All machines that use DNS must be able to send/recieve IP packets to the DNS server. In your situation, if you have the network configured so that your machine that is not directly connected to the ISP *can* send and receive packets to the ISP (ie. ping the DNS server) then you should be able to just set up the resolv.conf file or set up the proper entries into NetInfo (see the on-line manual). If you set up the entries into a shared Netinfo domain, then both machines should have the proper DNS information (much easier than creating resolv.conf files on every machine). However, if there is no route from the machine not directly connected to the ISP, then you cannot get DNS to work directly to the ISP. You have three options. Run a DNS server on your first machine is one option, but since your second machine isn't "directly" connected, this doesn't help much. You can now resolve names but you can't do anything with the addresses. Another option is to set up a proxy server on your ISP connected machine. Something like squid can proxy http, ftp, gopher, etc. transfers from a web browser. In this scenario, you cannot directly ftp or telnet to the Internet on your non-ISP connected host, but you can use OmniWeb through the first machine to access the 'Net. No DNS configuration necessary or wanted on the second machine. This is how I do it. I run non-proxied apps on the ISP-connected machine with a -NXHost to display them on the non-ISP connected hosts. The final option is to get your networking configuration such that your second machine can "directly" send packets to the ISP (through the first). This involves changing your routing on both your local side and your ISP side if it hasn't been set up for this already. For additional references, look at a good TCP/IP book like the O'Reilly one. Good luck, -- Bill Chin - bchin@richmond.freedomnet.com - NeXTmail/MIME welcomed
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Can't get networking up with Prelude... Date: 25 May 97 22:49:23 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFAE7278-79521@141.214.134.235> References: <NoSpa.Mgustilo-2505971100410001@ts5-1.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy Nevermind, I didn't realize that I'd have to poweroff to have the changes take effect. thanks, rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: steve_sullivan@hotmail.com (steve) Newsgroups: alt.online-service.america-online,alt.online-service.compuserve,alt.online-service.freenet,alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.microsoft,alt.online-service.prodigy,biz.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables,misc.forsale.computers.memory,misc.forsale.computers.modems,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc,misc.forsale.computers.other.software,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.storage Subject: Re: INTERNET ACCESS WITHOUT A TELEPHONE LINE%%%%%%%%@! Date: 26 May 1997 05:02:19 GMT Organization: Sprint Internet Passport Message-ID: <steve_sullivan-2505972203250001@sdn-ts-007casjosp03.dialsprint.net> References: <5m3t7j$hls$1@news.megsinet.net> In article <5m3t7j$hls$1@news.megsinet.net>, tsnSSSmith@csd.net wrote: > Wireless Internet Access!!!!!!!!! > > Its finally here Its been here for a while, ever here of richochet??? > http://www.deadfrog.net/infonow > > We need distributors in the US and Canada!!!!!! You need to take the lies off your web page saying you are the first to have wireless internet access!!
From: decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: domain name server Date: 26 May 1997 06:58:54 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5mbcbe$7$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> <5m91jh$4ma$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <5map9a$5o3$1@news.freedomnet.com> Cc: bchin@NOSPAM.richmond.freedomnet.com In <5map9a$5o3$1@news.freedomnet.com> Bill Chin wrote: > decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) wrote: > >In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > >> You need to setup an /etc/resolv.conf > > > >I haven't been able to figure out how to setup two NEXTSTEP machines > >networked together where one of them has the modem and connects to the > >ISP with ppp. The other one doesn't get the domain service. Should the > >other one automatically get domain name service from the one running ppp > >if the first is a NetInfo client of the second? I haven't been able to > >get the client to be a client. > > > > This is > how I do it. I run non-proxied apps on the ISP-connected > machine with a -NXHost to display them on the non-ISP connected > hosts. The final option is to get your networking > configuration such that your second machine can "directly" > send packets to the ISP (through the first). This involves changing > your routing on both your local side and your ISP side if it > hasn't been set up for this already. > > For additional references, look at a good TCP/IP book like > the O'Reilly one. Doing the NXHost thing is my workaround as well. But I can't believe there isn't a ready made solution for NEXTSTEP. I shouldn't have to muck with a TCP/IP book. Does anyone know the way it's "supposed" to be done? -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100, Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenXber@mhpXcc.edu <Delete the "X"s; done to stop junk e-mail> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~Xaltenber/ <Delete the "X"> =======================================================================
From: bchin@NOSPAM.richmond.freedomnet.com (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: domain name server Date: 26 May 1997 14:50:40 GMT Organization: FreedomNet - Your Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <5mc800$2fe$1@news.freedomnet.com> References: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> <5m91jh$4ma$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <5map9a$5o3$1@news.freedomnet.com> <5mbcbe$7$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) wrote: >Doing the NXHost thing is my workaround as well. But I can't believe >there isn't a ready made solution for NEXTSTEP. I shouldn't have to muck >with a TCP/IP book. Does anyone know the way it's "supposed" to be done? Sure. You sign up for "LAN" access to an ISP. You get a bank of IP addresses and they set up their side, including the routing entries to route your subnet. Ie. an 8 bit subnet would have a bank of 256 ip addresses, of which really 254 are usable. Pick an IP address for the ppp0 interface. Ie. xxx.xxx.xxx.2 Pick an IP address for the en0 interface on your ppp host, ie. xxx.xxx.xxx.1 Your ISP should set up a route to your subnet through your ppp0 interface. Assign IP addresses from your bank of addresses to the other hosts on your network. They should use your ppp server as the gateway or default router. The ppp distribution will turn on IP forwarding, so now your ppp server is a gateway for your subnet to your ISP. To recap: Your ISP assigns you a bank of IP addresses: There's a starting and ending address, with corresponding netmask and broadcast addresses. They set up the routing on their side. You assign the appropriate IP addresses, netmask, broadcast address, gateway, including setting up the PPP connection. Use traceroute and ping to debug. More permutations exist - there are a bunch of ways to get this to work, but the above is the most straightforward and common. Again, this isn't NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP specific. You are just connecting two TCP/IP networks together. Of course, you have to use the proper NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP configuration tools and so on. Or, buy a dedicated router. -- Bill Chin - bchin@richmond.freedomnet.com - NeXTmail/MIME welcomed
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: domain name server Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 13:13:24 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8nWQGo600Uzx420FxG@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <338603B1.3C74@diehlgraphsoft.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970523230156.23966B-100000@kira> <5m91jh$4ma$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <5map9a$5o3$1@news.freedomnet.com> <5mbcbe$7$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 26-May-97 Re: domain name server by L e e Altenberg@no_junk_ >> For additional references, look at a good TCP/IP book like >> the O'Reilly one. > > Doing the NXHost thing is my workaround as well. But I can't believe > there isn't a ready made solution for NEXTSTEP. I shouldn't have to muck > with a TCP/IP book. Does anyone know the way it's "supposed" to be done? Someone else already gave a more detailed explanation of what you need to do; I just wanted to point out that NEXTSTEP runs on top of Unix, and this type of networking question is completely generic (ie, not NEXTSTEP-specific at all). O'Reilly's "TCP/IP Network Administration" book really is the best source of information. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AVAILABLE: Free QuickCam driver Message-ID: <1997May26.161006.98629@cc.usu.edu> From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 26 May 97 16:10:06 MDT Distribution: world I've uploaded NXCam.app, a free driver/application for the monochrome Connectix QuickCam to the submissions directory on Peak and Peanuts. What directory it ends up in is anybody's guess. To use NXCam, you will need NEXTSTEP/Intel 3.3 or higher, a bidirectional-capable parallel port, and a monochrome Connectix QuickCam. NXCam allows you to acquire single frames from the camera and store them to disk as tiff images, or to acquire multiple frames and store them to disk in ".anim" or QuickTime format. Frames shown in the display-well can be copied to the pasteboard and pasted to other applications, or dragged directly out of the display-well into any other application that supports drag-and-drop of TIFF data. Happy trails!
From: goldwass@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Lloyd Goldwasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dvorak keyboard layout? Date: 26 May 1997 20:40:02 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Message-ID: <5mcsf3$n5m@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> References: <AFACEC09-51CC4@141.214.134.235> "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> wrote: > > Can anyone give me pointers for setting up a Dvorak keyboard layout? > /NextDeveloper/Demos/Keyboard.app lets you easily set up any layout you want; you then put the resulting *.keymapping file in /LocalLibrary/Keyboards or ~/Library/Keyboards and it appears as an option in Preferences. Since you're asking, you probably know that the basic Dvorak layout is ' , . P Y F G C R L A O E U I D H T N S ; Q J K X B M W V Z and that it's much nicer than QWERTY. After using the Dvorak layout for a while, I came up with my own variant, which feels yet more comfortable and streamlined: ' , . Y J F G C R L A O E I U D H T N S ; X Z P K B M W Q V The main change is the switching of I and U, so that the more common of the two letters is under the left index finger in resting position; and the shuffling of Y, P, and K, so that Y, which is more common than K, is not so far away from the action. Also, having Q under the right hand makes the Q-U-vowel combinations less awkward. I would be happy to NeXTmail you (or anyone else) my lg.keymapping file; just ask. I have no idea whether they're still there, but the last time this topic came up, mmalcolm crawford posted that he'd put copies of both versions at ftp://ftp.dcs.shef.ac.uk/home/malc/NEXTSTEP/Keyboards/ Lloyd Goldwasser goldwass@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu
From: grotskos@compulink.gr (Gabriel Rotskos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:47:39 GMT Organization: CompuLink Network S.A. Message-ID: <338ab398.11314288@news.compulink.gr> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> On 19 May 1997 17:45:20 GMT, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >This is absolutely silly. Without a doubt, one of the greatest >things about win95 is the context sensitive menu bar. It saves a >TON of mouse travel, and if you don't want to use it you don't have >to. It simple puts under the mouse, a menu of all the things that >are not dimmed under the regular menu when selecting an item. Who >the heck wants to select a file, then go find the right menu choice >in one of the menus, when one can simply click on the object and >do it all in one fell swoop. I hate windows95 with a great passion, >but even my bias doesn't cloud over this...this kind of functionality >is an advance over the old status, stagnant, quo that is the mac >UI... I thought that the greatest thing about win95 is the taskbar, which is similar to Apple's menu bar. It is usually at the bottom of the screen and not at the top and it was not designed correctly (you can overshoot the buttons), but it has the Start button (Apple menu), the clock, shows which application is in the foreground (not always correctly, because under Windows applications that need attention come to the front automatically, causing all sorts of problems) etc. As for the context sensitive menus, MacOS 8 has them, so Rhapsody will have them, too. Another cool idea is the tear-off menus that turn to pallettes, like the ones MacPaint had. I've heard that NeXTSTEP had something similar, but you are the expert there. With these, you can keep the menus you use a lot near your work area. And let's not forget speech recognition. An older version allowed you to speak out any menu command, but it was sacrificed in newer versions in order to provide better recognition. Gabe
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,il.jobs.offered Subject: NEXT/Career Position/ILL Date: 27 May 1997 12:06:49 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5meiop$5ql@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXT----Commercial experience OBJ C----Commercial experience EOF-------A Plus Career Position---Excellent benefits Opportunity-------Exceptional Relocation--------Company assistance Area--------------Greater Chicago Area To Be Considered--Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AVAILABLE: Free QuickCam driver Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 05:44:35 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970527053429.17194A-100000@kira> References: <1997May26.161006.98629@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: edx@cc.usu.edu In-Reply-To: <1997May26.161006.98629@cc.usu.edu> On 26 May 1997 edx@cc.usu.edu wrote: > I've uploaded NXCam.app, a free driver/application for the > monochrome Connectix QuickCam to the submissions directory > on Peak and Peanuts. What directory it ends up in is anybody's > guess. Well, it's better than a guess that it will end up at ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/ http://www.peak.org/next/new_arrivals/ no matter what it is, and stay there for about a month In this case, the driver went to ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/NXCam.1.0.I.b.tar.gz http://www.peak.org/next/new_arrivals/NXCam.1.0.I.b.tar.gz which is really a link to ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/drivers/misc/NXCam.1.0.I.b.tar.gz http://www.peak.org/next/drivers/misc/NXCam.1.0.I.b.tar.gz Drop us a note when you submit things to PEAK and we'll let you know where they should end up (unless you have a suggestion). Most will be filed within 24hrs... or less if I actually know they are there ;-) TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator, PEAK OpenStep/NeXTStep FTP site http://www.peak.org/next/ aka ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/ http://www.peak.org/openstep aka ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/openstep
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Configuring mail? Date: 27 May 97 21:23:51 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFB1016F-66E41@141.214.134.235> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy I'd like to set up my Prelude box to be able to use the mail application. Do I have to use sendmail for this? Do I have to edit the cf file? Please tell me I don't. It seems like a bit of overkill. Can I use netinfomanager? All I want to do is set up my box to connect to my imap server at the University and download my mail, and connect to my smtp server when I send mail. thanks, rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: sjohnson@myriad.net (Stephen Johnson) Newsgroups: alt.online-service.america-online,alt.online-service.compuserve,alt.online-service.freenet,alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.microsoft,alt.online-service.prodigy,biz.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables,misc.forsale.computers.memory,misc.forsale.computers.modems,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc,misc.forsale.computers.other.software,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.storage Subject: Re: INTERNET ACCESS WITHOUT A TELEPHONE LINE%%%%%%%%@! Date: 28 May 1997 06:57:15 GMT Organization: DigiPhone Corporation, Bryan/College Station Texas 409-693-8885 Message-ID: <5mgl0b$5jk@news.myriad.net> References: <5m3t7j$hls$1@news.megsinet.net> <steve_sullivan-2505972203250001@sdn-ts-007casjosp03.dialsprint.net> In-Reply-To: <steve_sullivan-2505972203250001@sdn-ts-007casjosp03.dialsprint.net> On 05/25/97, steve wrote: >In article <5m3t7j$hls$1@news.megsinet.net>, tsnSSSmith@csd.net wrote: > >> Wireless Internet Access!!!!!!!!! >> >> Its finally here > > >Its been here for a while, ever here of richochet??? > No, you got me. But I'm curious what is richochet? -- --- Stephen Johnson, sjohnson@myriad.net@ Computer Consulting Intl, LTD PO Box 1046 College Station, TX 77841 409-778-4717 "the Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests" President Andrew Jackson, June 8, 1845 NOTE: delete the second @ to email to me.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: roland@onevision.de (Roland Schwingel) Subject: NFS-Automounting from WIN NT (Hummingbird NFS) Message-ID: <EAvts0.F5@onevision.de> Keywords: nfs,automount,nextstep,nt Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH, Regensburg, Germany Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:19:12 GMT Hello, I am currently evaluting the Hummingbird NFS Server for Win NT4.0 on our NT Server. I am in need to export some drives from NT to our NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Machines via NFS. I have exported the drives in netinfo domain / with bg,net,timeo=6 option to /Net. With 4.1 and up there is no problem with automounting them. With 3.3 (half of our machines) I can not automount that drives. It is just not working. No error nothing. Just a few seconds of spinning mousecursor. But I can do a 'mount -t nfs ntserver:/d/test /test' on 3.3. What is not working is automounting... My NFS setup is correct. Mounting by hand works every time on every version of the operationg system I have handy. Any ideas? I need to mount them. Or has anyone a better suggestion for a NT NFS server software? Thanks, Roland -- ============================================================================ Roland Schwingel OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH Developer, SysAdmin Zeissstrasse 9 Email:roland@onevision.de 93053 Regensburg (NextMail,MIME welcome) Germany ============================================================================
From: ngervae@sirius.{REMOVE-THIS}.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP LaserJet 6MP Date: 28 May 1997 08:04:51 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <5mgov3$75b@sun.sirius.com> Has anybody had any luck hooking up a LaserJet 6MP to an Intel box using the parallel port? I know I need a PPD file, but is there anything else? Any info is most appreciated! Please reply by email to ngervae @ sirius.com nik @ pdi.com Thanks. --Nik
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From: mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dvorak keyboard layout? Date: 28 May 1997 13:01:20 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5mhab0$89v$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <AFACEC09-51CC4@141.214.134.235> <5mcsf3$n5m@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> In-Reply-To: <5mcsf3$n5m@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> On 05/26/97, Lloyd Goldwasser wrote: >I have no idea whether they're still there, but the last time this >topic came up, mmalcolm crawford posted that he'd put copies of both >versions at > > ftp://ftp.dcs.shef.ac.uk/home/malc/NEXTSTEP/Keyboards/ > Yup, they're still there. Many thanks for the originals Lloyd. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Andrew Y Ng <ayng@platinum.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Configuring mail? Date: 28 May 1997 11:06:14 -0500 Organization: PLATINUM technology, Inc Message-ID: <87206rfuo9.fsf@Ngbert.vt.platinum.com> References: <AFB1016F-66E41@141.214.134.235> >>>>> "Decker" == Robert A Decker <comrade@umich.edu> writes: Decker> I'd like to set up my Prelude box to be able to use the Decker> mail application. Do I have to use sendmail for this? Do Decker> I have to edit the cf file? Please tell me I don't. It Decker> seems like a bit of overkill. well, that's pretty easy to configure actually... but if u don't feel like touching sendmail, u can try PopOver, it works with POP[23], and IMAP2. so u can use PopOver to download mails and setup the smtp delivery in Mail to send outgoing mails... //folks, correct me if i were wrong... :) /ayn -- Andrew Y Ng | <ayng@platinum.com> | http://andrew.Ngbert.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- (-) please finger ayn@CMU.EDU if u need more info...
From: tony@wildfire.com (Tony Lovell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 19 May 1997 16:23:38 GMT Organization: Wildfire Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <5lpuqa$nkl@gnus.wildfire.com> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Cc: samchow@idt.net In <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> Samuel Chow wrote: > Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, > > Although this is still a rumor for now, it seems that Rhapsody will > eventually > integrate the Mac Finder's Look and Feel. The only problem that I have > with > this is that dreaded White manubar strip. > > In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common > menubar is not > the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate the Window > menubar. Under > this scheme, every application would have a menu bar in its window. Here > are the > reasons why I feel that Apple should go for this scheme Ugh.. Window menu bars do the following unacceptable things: 1. Confuse the concept of Application and Document. I'm closing a window. Or am I? I might be making the application quit. In windows, there is no way to separate these two altogether distinct actions. 2. Wastes screen space. This is just one of the many things (along with toolbars) that MS does to make my investment in a large monitor yield me very little. In terms of respecting my need to use screen space efficiently, the best is Next's system (as I can remove the menus altogether), and next is Apple's (as each menu appears only once). tone
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS May Quiz - hints, new rules, deadline extended Date: 28 May 1997 16:50:12 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet/PING Austria Message-ID: <5mhno4$1gi$1@news.Austria.EU.net> Last call (!) for the SSS May quiz on http://members.ping.at/stefan/quiz.html Drawing rules have been changed on the fly - you now have a chance to win with only 1/3 or 2/3 correct answers. The more you get right, the better your odds are. And the May quiz page now contains THREE HINTS! The deadline has been extended from June 1 to June 15. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer 1.3 or LatinByrd II/III license, or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). And here's even TWO MORE HINTS: 1) No, #1 is not Steve Jobs. 2) No, #2 is not Steve Wozniak. Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://members.ping.at/stefan/
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From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dvorak keyboard layout? Date: 28 May 97 14:30:49 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFB1F21E-37CA22@141.214.134.235> References: <199705260331.XAA15588@sps1.phys.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc I got my NeXTmail working. Can you send me those Dvorak layouts? thanks, rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dae51d@TheMatrix.com (Daevid Vincent) Subject: VOTE: boot needs your vote Message-ID: <51c7cd$e34d.e3@news.eznet.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:52:13 GMT Organization: The Matrix ATTENTION: boot Magazine is seriously considering coverage of other platforms. So, if you would like to cast your vote for an OS you'd like to see covered in an awsome mag, then go to: http://www.bootnet.com/opinion.html and vote! every little bit helps, Daevid.
From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 28 May 1997 20:03:15 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <5mi323$8sa$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <anon-ya02408000R1705970333540001@news.cyberspc.mb.ca> In article <anon-ya02408000R1705970333540001@news.cyberspc.mb.ca>, No One <anon@non.non> wrote: >In article <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net>, Samuel Chow <samchow@idt.net> wrote: > >> Dear NeXT/Apple Gurus, > > >> In my opinion, I feel that there are plenty of reasons why a common >> menubar is not >> the way to go. Instead, the UI desgin should incorporate the Window >> menubar. Under >> this scheme, every application would have a menu bar in its window. Here >> are the >> reasons why I feel that Apple should go for this scheme The Windows menus are one of the things I originally thought was pretty ugly about Windows. And it's made worse by having the application window and document windows. It's probably mostly an aesthetic choice, but the single menu bar keeps the windows cleaner and it's easier to arrange windows on a busy screen in a useful way. And the menu bar can be larger than the window you're working in. I see no functional different between the two options, except that you'll have to find someplace else to put the menu items that aren't related to your application, like the apple menu, the application menu, and the time. I also have a MacSLIP menu and an OSA menu in my menu bar. Hopefully the Appearance Manager will give you some options in that area. Like the traditional Finder look, menu bars in windows with the extra items in a Win95-style task bar located at the bottom, top, or left or right sides as you prefer, or the NeXT-style pop-up menus. -- "Hey, wait a minute. You've got both eyes! You're no special agent. You're just some jerk who hates my moustache!" - The Tick
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From: juergen.albertsen@flensburg.netsurf.de (Juergen Albertsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Configuring mail? Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:22:55 GMT Organization: Private Message-ID: <338c71d0.4520750@news.allcon.net> References: <AFB1016F-66E41@141.214.134.235> > I'd like to set up my Prelude box to be able to use the mail application. >Do I have to use sendmail for this? Do I have to edit the cf file? Please >tell me I don't. It seems like a bit of overkill. You have to use sendmail. Remember that OpenStep/Mach is still designed for large networked environments and not so much for home use. I think this will -- and has to -- change in the future. Apart from this, sendmail is a standard program and quite rebust. With an appropriate config interface it shouldn't bother anyone. > Can I use netinfomanager? Please read the docs in /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin (or something like this. I don't have access to a NeXT machine right now). There's a document covering sendmail. > All I want to do is set up my box to connect to my imap server at the >University and download my mail, and connect to my smtp server when I send >mail. To achieve this you have to set up PPP. Unfortunately, this is not too easy for someone who doesn't. have UNIX experience. I think because NeXT wanted to give up their OS they were not to keen on implementing a sophistictaed interface to PPP. In the /NextLibrary/Documentation hierarchy there's a diretoriy called ReleaseNotes -- where you will find a doc about PPP. Maybe you should consult a UNIX guru you trust -- if you're not a UNIX guru yourself. To receive email using IMAP you can use PopOver available at http://peanuts.leo.org and other NeXTSTEP archives. Have fun! Jürgen --- Jürgen Albertsen juergen.albertsen@flensburg.netsurf.de Face the facts -- forget euphoria!
From: sschaper@inlink.com (sschaper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep 3.1 Intel and IDE CD-ROM?? Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:23:17 -0500 Organization: InLink Message-ID: <sschaper-2805971923170001@iits01134.inlink.com> I just received NeXTStep 3.1 (shrinkwrapped no less), for Intel. Unfortunately the machine to install it on only has IDE drives, including the CD-ROM. Has anyone found a way to do the installation with such a configuration? It has been something like four years since the documentation was written. NeXT Answers did not provide any obvious solutions for 3.1. I would really like to get this up and running. Also, can it be made to dual boot with Windows NT 4.0, or even triple-boot with Win95? --Steve sschaper@inlink.com -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.1 Intel and IDE CD-ROM?? Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:10:57 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970529060848.6816A-100000@kira> References: <sschaper-2805971923170001@iits01134.inlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: sschaper <sschaper@inlink.com> In-Reply-To: <sschaper-2805971923170001@iits01134.inlink.com> > I would really like to get this up and running. Not to be a downer, but good luck.... 3.1 had its own problems.... and you have the first Intel version of NS ever.... anything before 3.3 is hard on Intel..... 3.3 can still be hard.... 4.x is supposedly much easier.... The CD-ROM would be, I think, the least of your problems... all the drivers that are out now may not work with 3.1, so you have to hunt... Not syaing it can't be done... just that it probably can't be done easily... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NS/OS users: My 'other sites' page has been entirely reworked
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Small Rhapsody page... Followup-To: poster Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:40:50 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970529083855.27267A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ugh... I promised myself I wouldn't do this, but I came across a nice report on WWDC for those unable to make it... http://macos.apple.com/macos/releases/rhapsody/kleper_rpt_wwdc.html Sounds like some initial good press at least... TjL ps -- if necessary, please reply via email... I really don't want another Rhapsody cascade in csn.misc.... -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NS/OS users: My 'other sites' page has been entirely reworked
From: Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:54:19 -0700 Organization: Abacus Concepts, Inc. Message-ID: <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Christie wrote: > In article <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com>, Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: > >> Yes. Long term, a Rhapsody will be Apple's server solutions, although I >> understand that the server line is sticking with AIX for the time >> being. I believe it's due to the fact that OpenStep doesn't scale well >> when you have lots of simultaneous users. > > The very next OS to be produced for Apple's 500 and 700 series servers > is Rhapsody. They are not waiting for any other reason than it ain't > ready. thye already cancelled updates to AIX. Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real issues as a server OS. Apparently, if you put more than twelve-or-so users on it at a time, it really bogs down. Also, there's a limit of 200 processes in NeXTStep, which is actually pretty low for even a client-side OS. To top it off, a NeXTStep system really needs the protection of a firewall -- security is definitely behind the levels defined by Solaris and AIX. Apple may have cancelled updates to AIX (and who can blame them), but they've got some work before Rhapsody is up to snuff as a standalone Server.
From: frsvnsvn@best.com (Kurt Werle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Configuring mail? Date: 29 May 1997 10:50:38 -0700 Organization: private Message-ID: <5mkfle$5c9@shellx.best.com> References: <AFB1016F-66E41@141.214.134.235> <338c71d0.4520750@news.allcon.net> In article <338c71d0.4520750@news.allcon.net>, Juergen Albertsen <juergen.albertsen@flensburg.netsurf.de> wrote: >> I'd like to set up my Prelude box to be able to use the mail application. >>Do I have to use sendmail for this? Do I have to edit the cf file? Please >>tell me I don't. It seems like a bit of overkill. > >You have to use sendmail. Oh, the lie!!! First thing I do with a new NeXT setup: replace sendmail with smail. The config is SO much easier (IMHO). I understand that there is a smail package for installing on NeXT machines, but I don't know offhand where it is... Let me know if you can't find it. Kurt
From: arpad@tezcat.com (Arpad Geller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apache SSL -- SmartSoft?? Date: 29 May 1997 16:00:04 GMT Organization: Pink Flamingos Message-ID: <5mk964$3u1@news.dialisdn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm looking for a port of the Stronghold/Apache webserver for NeXTSTEP. Apparently, a company called SmartSoft out of Cedarburg, WI successfully released this but now the company has disappeared, for all practical purposes. Their phone is disconnected and they don't answer their emails. Does anyone have any information regarding this company or their ported SSL server?? Alternately, does anyone know of an ssl server that will run on NeXT (other then the $24,999 WebObjects)? Thanks. David Geller arpad@hotspice.com
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:03:20 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <338DC4E7.6287@earthlink.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <alex-1605970134190001@dnet01-40.austin.texas.net> <337d87cb.5791918@news.demon.co.uk> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lq3jg$920$2@news2.digex.net> <19970523184002419497@[143.178.241.22]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you own a Mac and would like to have "tear off" menus now, head over to: http://www.kagi.com/authors/marc/ Marc has a shareware conrtol panel that gives you this feature right now! Pretty cool! STEVE K.
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:06:04 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EAyFM6.IFs@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> In article <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> writes: > John Christie wrote: > Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real > issues as a server OS. NeXTStep is not a great choice as server OS, unless having a homogeneous system is really importanbt to you. Other OS's, and other CPU's (other than Intel) will do the job far better, and quite likly cheaper. However these are not necessarly issuese for a future release: > Apparently, if you put more than twelve-or-so > users on it at a time, it really bogs down. Quite likly. So will most single user workstations. I've seen Vax's running with >100 users. Their CPU performance was less than a NeXTStation yet they ground on somehow. Put two users on some FAST machines, and they jsut stop. There are both hardware and software issues here - PC hardware does you no favours, and NeXTStep isn't optimised for this. (also most servers don't have users logged into them - almost all processes will be system processes doing some kind of networking) > Also, there's a limit of > 200 processes in NeXTStep, which is actually pretty low for even a > client-side OS. Thats a #define in the source. Even the dumbest of programmers could fix that given access to the source. 200 is the right number for NeXTStep client - a future NS-Server may be different. > To top it off, a NeXTStep system really needs the > protection of a firewall -- security is definitely behind the levels > defined by Solaris and AIX. NeXTStep isn't the most secure, but then most OS's are pretty loose. Rhapsody is based on BSD4.4 not BSD4.3 so it should get a whole slew of upgrades, new server style features, and bug fixes. > Apple may have cancelled updates to AIX (and who can blame them), but > they've got some work before Rhapsody is up to snuff as a standalone > Server. Probably not much more work than they've aready done by using BSD4.4. Besides AIX is a total pig - the second worst Unix I ever used (after SNI's Sinix). The real crunch is that NS is close enough to doing the job that its really not worth keeping development going on two Unix derivatives. $an
From: gxa114@wileypost.cac.psu.edu (GEOF ABRUZZI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhapsody 68k? Date: 30 May 1997 02:27:04 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <5mldto$1orc@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> I have occationally heard roumers that Rhapsody >might< be made for older 68k macs. But I have heard nothing about Black NeXT machines. Does anyone know if 4.1 will be the end of line for my slab? Geof -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Geof Abruzzi Language is a virus from outer space. gxa114 @ cac.psu.edu And hearing your name is better BeBox Developer #3089 than seeing your face. -Laurie Anderson ... (Having a little fun with spammers:) jesse_helms@helms.senate.gov president@whitehouse.gov E-Mail me with more addresses.
From: nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU (James Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Computer Modern fonts for NS Date: 30 May 1997 02:59:34 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <slrn5osgdo.699.nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU> Hi all, Yesterday I downloaded the set of public domain Computer Modern fonts packaged for NextStep at next-ftp.peak.org (the file BlueSkyFonts.tar.gz, currently in the new_arrivals directory). Thanks to Paul Sanchez for packaging these fonts. They work very well with TeX. I'm also interested in making the fonts work with other NextStep programs, though, like Openwrite.app. Is it possible to edit the font files to make the fonts work with both TeX and NextStep programs? Does anyone have experience messing around with those font files? I looked, but couldn't make much sense of the ascii files. Thanks! It'd be nice to have access to Computer Modern fonts in my standard NeXT apps. -jamey -- ********************************************************************** Jamey Nielsen hm (415) 960-1608 Terman 554 nielsen@leland.stanford.edu wk (415) 725-1597 ME Design Division http://www.stanford.edu/~nielsen/ Stanford, CA 94305
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Computer Modern fonts for NS Date: 30 May 1997 03:48:52 GMT Message-ID: <19970530034800.XAA08542@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <slrn5osgdo.699.nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU> If the fonts in question are metafonts, although it's doable, it's not really feasible. Metafonts are really different from other vector font formats, and I've only heard of two successful conversions. One was an autotracing, which although it worked, resulted in very large, not terribly high quality font files. The other was an algorithmic system which seemed to have good quality and to produce elegant fonts, but sparked a terrible flam war on comp.fonts regarding the protection of typeface designs. However, there is another, commercial alternative--Blue Sky Research and Y&Y <http://www.yandy.com> sell Adobe Type 1 Computer Modern Fonts, and will even supply them in NeXTStep format. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
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From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody 68k? Date: 30 May 1997 12:35:42 GMT Message-ID: <19970530123500.IAA03717@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <5mldto$1orc@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> Actually, it seems to be 4.2, as it's being distributed now as the Rhapsody Prelude--do you have a spare $800? That's what it costs for the User version. Developer is $8,000 It's to be hoped that GNUStep <http://www.gnustep.org> will proceed apace. I'd like to put forth that everyone who looks forward to using this one day should consider purchasing a copy of the CD-ROM with the current distribution to help fund it. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: mcgredo@crl.crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 30 May 1997 09:09:49 -0700 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Message-ID: <5mmu4d$oji@crl.crl.com> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> In article <338DB457.2579@abacus.com>, Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: >Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real >issues as a server OS. Apparently, if you put more than twelve-or-so >users on it at a time, it really bogs down. Also, there's a limit of >200 processes in NeXTStep, which is actually pretty low for even a >client-side OS. To top it off, a NeXTStep system really needs the >protection of a firewall -- security is definitely behind the levels >defined by Solaris and AIX. The NeXT OS was tuned as a client machine. It's not all that big of a deal for Apple to tweak some kernel parameters in a way that would hurt interactive performance but increase server performance; not unlike the "differences" between NT Workstation and NT Server. The Unix tools in the old release were a bit behind the times. I suspect the 4.4 BSD upgrade will fix a lot of that. -- Don McGregor | I did it for the children. mcgredo@crl.com |
From: pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Paul Furbacher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 30 May 1997 15:46:30 GMT Organization: Biological Sciences, Purdue Univ. Message-ID: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> I want to install "Prelude", but I don't want to sacrifice my existing Win 95 setup (with hundreds of apps, mostly dev software). The installation notes seem to think that a person would, of course, not have anything on their machine already, and maybe want to leave a DOS partition. That's not reasonable. Most of us still have *real* work that needs to get done. "Prelude" is for afterhours. How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would take days.) Paul Furbacher -- Dr. Paul Furbacher Dept. of Biological Sciences Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907-1392 pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:59:27 -0400 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Message-ID: <msg68200.thr-6075002f.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: <msg68200.thr-6075002f.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu,UseNet writes:</bold> >I want to install "Prelude", but I don't want >to sacrifice my existing Win 95 setup (with hundreds >of apps, mostly dev software). The installation >notes seem to think that a person would, of course, >not have anything on their machine already, and maybe >want to leave a DOS partition. That's not reasonable. >Most of us still have *real* work that needs to get >done. "Prelude" is for afterhours. >How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my = >current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows >side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would = >take days.) I am NOT an expert on this matter, but it has been our experience that yo= u'll have to backup your windows partition and partition using next's too= ls, and then reinstall from backups. I know there will be howls out there about "how could they do that", "how= stupid", "typical Apple arrogance," etc., but consider this. Why would M= icrosoft's boot partition selectors allow someone to select a non-Microso= ft OS? That, I submit is typical mickeysloth arrogance. NeXT has to grab the boot partitions so it can ins= ert itself into the loop and then, if the user elects, can launch whateve= r (inferior) "operating system" from there. -- = David Herren -------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ General: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu NeXTMail only: herren@barcelona.middlebury.edu
From: fpottier@pauillac.inria.fr (Francois Pottier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple announces new pricing for OS - This is insane !!!!!!!!! Date: 30 May 1997 18:32:40 GMT Organization: INRIA Rocquencourt, BP 105, 78153 Le Chesnay Cedex, France Message-ID: <5mn6g8$q4j@news-rocq.inria.fr> References: <5lc2ju$det@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <5lcoh1$3k1@shelob.afs.com> <3379B914.887@sapir.ling.yale.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: In article <3379B914.887@sapir.ling.yale.edu>, Stephen R. Anderson <anderson@sapir.ling.yale.edu> wrote: >I didn't notice any mention of "academic bundle" pricing in Apple's >press release about OS 4.2. Does anyone know if this policy will >continue for 4.2 (and any future pre-rhapsody versions)? I asked them (by email) about the academic version, and the answer is: the 4.2 academic bundle (user+developer) is at $299. Sounds like a great deal compared to the regular $5000. -- François Pottier Francois.Pottier@inria.fr http://pauillac.inria.fr/~fpottier/
From: paul@spectrum.slu.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Computer Modern fonts for NS Date: 30 May 1997 15:11:37 -0500 Organization: Me, organized? You must be joking. Message-ID: <x7g1v4g1om.fsf@spectrum.slu.edu> References: <slrn5osgdo.699.nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU> <19970530034800.XAA08542@ladder02.news.aol.com> willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) writes: > If the fonts in question are metafonts, although it's doable, it's not > really feasible. > > [...] > > However, there is another, commercial alternative--Blue Sky Research and > Y&Y <http://www.yandy.com> sell Adobe Type 1 Computer Modern Fonts, and > will even supply them in NeXTStep format. The fonts in question *ARE* the Blue Sky Research/Y&Y fonts. They've been contributed to the public domain by Blue Sky Research, with copyright transferred to the AMS, and placed on the CTAN archives. However, what's on the archives is in .pfb format. I converted them to NeXT .font directory format and put them into an installer package. What Jamey was commenting was that the fonts have ascii 32 mapped to "suppress" rather than "space", which shows a non-blank if the fonts are used in NeXT apps such as Edit. One can edit the font and .afm files to correct this, but I didn't do so for the distribution because it would have been a violation of the AMS copyright. -- --paul http://www.umsl.edu/~psanchez/ ================================================================ Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! ================================================================
From: Mark Krueger <mkrueger@pcmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: can't get IP up on NeXTcube Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:39:45 -0700 Organization: VeriFone ICD Message-ID: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having a rough time getting IP running on an old NeXTcube. I'm running NeXTstep version 3.3. Here is the scenario: After installing a fresh copy of NeXTstep I log in as root and run HostManager. I then select Local from the menu and configure the hostname, internet address, netmask and router name. After restarting the system remembers the settings I entered, but I can't ping anything from the terminal shell. Another problem I noticed with this machine is that it sometimes tries to boot from the network during startup. I then have to Command-Tilde and manually "bsc". Then it boots fine from SCSI device 0. This is a 68040 based cube that has been in a closet for several years. It doesn't have much time on it, and has never been connected to an ethernet network. I'm hoping to revive it and make it useful. My network is 10base-T with about 20 Macs and PC's connected through a T1 to the internet. I am highly experienced with MacOS and various Microsoft operation systems, but my UNIX experience is limited. I was able to set up a FreeBSD system as a DNS and web server, however (so I'm not a complete nubie). So far I have re-installed NeXTstep MANY times and replaced the battery. I've also attempted to use SimpleNetworkStarter, but that seems to be the wrong approach -- acording to the documentation. I've attempted to manually edit the files in /etc with no luck. I know the ethernet port and cable are good (works fine with a Mac workstation). Do I need to do anything to tell the cube that I am using the 10base-T port instead of coax? Any assistance on this procedure would be VERY helpful and much appreciated. I'm not sure where to go from here. Thanks in advance!
From: gxa114@wileypost.cac.psu.edu (GEOF ABRUZZI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 31 May 1997 04:37:33 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <5mo9ud$1p12@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> This can be done, and I have done it with the NS3.3 install. (Unless of course things have changed radically.) I recall that NS can be installed with a boot manager that will let you select dos or NS at boot time. Since 95 boots the same way as dos, it works fine. This does NOT work with NT, as NT uses some strande f-ed up boot system. It can be done with NT, just not easily. Geof Paul Furbacher (pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu) wrote: : I want to install "Prelude", but I don't want : to sacrifice my existing Win 95 setup (with hundreds : of apps, mostly dev software). The installation : notes seem to think that a person would, of course, : not have anything on their machine already, and maybe : want to leave a DOS partition. That's not reasonable. : Most of us still have *real* work that needs to get : done. "Prelude" is for afterhours. : How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my : current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows : side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would : take days.) : Paul Furbacher : -- : Dr. Paul Furbacher : Dept. of Biological Sciences : Purdue University : West Lafayette, IN 47907-1392 : pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Geof Abruzzi Language is a virus from outer space. gxa114 @ cac.psu.edu And hearing your name is better BeBox Developer #3089 than seeing your face. -Laurie Anderson ... (Having a little fun with spammers:) jesse_helms@helms.senate.gov president@whitehouse.gov E-Mail me with more addresses.
From: liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can't get IP up on NeXTcube Date: 31 May 1997 06:04:11 GMT Organization: 9h, Inc. Message-ID: <2C949F2BD4A47DDD.EE8D4CE6F7800B9A.2FF16FC78002F767@library-proxy.airnews.net> References: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net On Fri, 30 May 1997 21:39:45 -0700, Mark Krueger <mkrueger@pcmac.com> wrote: > After installing a fresh copy of NeXTstep I log in as root and run > HostManager. I then select Local from the menu and configure the > hostname, internet address, netmask and router name. After restarting > the system remembers the settings I entered, but I can't ping anything > from the terminal shell. Trying pinging these two: 127.0.0.1, localhost. If you can, then it might just be a routing problem. What does netstat tell you? # netstat -rn Do you see your default route, * Yes. Then you should be able to ping the router with its IP. Next, setup your /etc/resolv.conf, so that it queries the DNS for remote hosts. * No. Then you can set it up temporarily just to test: # ifconfig -a (Check your ethernet config) # route add default <your_router_IP> 1 # route add <your_router_IP> <your_local_IP> 0 # route add <your_local_IP> 127.0.0.1 0 There might be some errors, since one of more of these routes could be already setup. Ignore them. You should be able to ping your network hosts by IP now. > Another problem I noticed with this machine is that it sometimes tries > to boot from the network during startup. I then have to Command-Tilde > and manually "bsc". Then it boots fine from SCSI device 0. To fix this, drop to the ROM monitor at boot, type 'p' and you'll be prompt first with where to boot, type in 'bsd'. And don't change anything else. The machine should boot from local hard drive from now on. Everytime you change the battery, it will lose memory of where to boot and always try to boot from en. > manually edit the files in /etc with no luck. I know the ethernet port > and cable are good (works fine with a Mac workstation). Do I need to do > anything to tell the cube that I am using the 10base-T port instead of > coax? No, it figures that out by itself. liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@dragon-dance.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: csong@tip.com.sg (Chuang Shyne Song) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apache SSL -- SmartSoft?? Date: 31 May 1997 08:41:09 GMT Organization: Tip CyberCommune Message-ID: <5moo75$5nb$1@newton.pacific.net.sg> References: <5mk964$3u1@news.dialisdn.net> arpad@tezcat.com (Arpad Geller) wrote: >... >Alternately, does anyone know of an ssl server that will run >on NeXT (other then the $24,999 WebObjects)? >... >David Geller >arpad@hotspice.com Will SSL v2 be sufficient? If so, there are publicly available patches for Apache. Last time I tried, it worked fine with 1.1.3. You should find a link to a UK site from the Apache site. If you still need the URL, let me know. I've seen similar patches for NCSA and CERN as well. Rgds, Song ---- Shyne Song, Chuang <csong@tip.com.sg> http://tip.com.sg/~csong/ PGP Key Info : 1024 / 79EDBA81 / CCC1F0848DA943384D93C4968677C8D3
Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 6MP Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc References: <5mgov3$75b@sun.sirius.com> In-Reply-To: <5mgov3$75b@sun.sirius.com> From: ngervae@sirius.{REMOVE-THIS}.com Message-ID: <338f8c9e.0@news2.sirius.com> Date: 31 May 97 02:27:42 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections On 05/27/97, ngervae@sirius.{REMOVE-THIS}.com wrote: >Has anybody had any luck hooking up a LaserJet 6MP to an Intel box >using the parallel port? I know I need a PPD file, but is there >anything else? Any info is most appreciated! Folks, I thought I'd share my hard-won wisdom here. It turns out the the parallel driver in NextStep doesn't like power management very much. Turning that off in the setup utility did the trick, and now my printer works just fine. --Nik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: can't get IP up on NeXTcube Message-ID: <EB1vtD.7qB@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:48:49 GMT In article <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> Mark Krueger <mkrueger@pcmac.com> writes: > I'm having a rough time getting IP running on an old NeXTcube. > > I'm running NeXTstep version 3.3. Here is the scenario: > > After installing a fresh copy of NeXTstep I log in as root and run > HostManager. I then select Local from the menu and configure the > hostname, internet address, netmask and router name. After restarting > the system remembers the settings I entered, but I can't ping anything > from the terminal shell. > > Another problem I noticed with this machine is that it sometimes tries > to boot from the network during startup. I then have to Command-Tilde > and manually "bsc". Then it boots fine from SCSI device 0. > > This is a 68040 based cube that has been in a closet for several years. > It doesn't have much time on it, and has never been connected to an > ethernet network. I'm hoping to revive it and make it useful. > > My network is 10base-T with about 20 Macs and PC's connected through a > T1 to the internet. I am highly experienced with MacOS and various > Microsoft operation systems, but my UNIX experience is limited. I was > able to set up a FreeBSD system as a DNS and web server, however (so I'm > not a complete nubie). > > So far I have re-installed NeXTstep MANY times and replaced the battery. > I've also attempted to use SimpleNetworkStarter, but that seems to be > the wrong approach -- acording to the documentation. I've attempted to > manually edit the files in /etc with no luck. I know the ethernet port > and cable are good (works fine with a Mac workstation). Do I need to do > anything to tell the cube that I am using the 10base-T port instead of > coax? > The NeXT hardware was built to automatically determine which network cabling type is installed at power up. For this to work correctly you should make sure the 10baseT terminator plug is removed and the 10base2 connection is reliably connected. A power cycle and the thing should be ok. The network boot attempt is controlled by the boot RAM settings. Type <Right Command-~> (double key stroke) while starting up to drop into the boot monitor. A '?' or 'help' lists a synopsis of boot monitor commands. The 'p' command lets you set various startup options. Booting from disk is normally done through the 'bsd' command, booting over the LAN is done using 'bet', and 'bfd' boots the floppy (needed for installs when CD/ROMs are not supported by the boot monitor). The verbouse boot option gives you a very elaborate listing about all the boot actions. It might be that your battery change left the NOVRAM in an uncontrolled state. Use the 'p' command to get proper settings and/or remove the battery for more than ten hours to clear the NOVRAM reliably. And the complete sysadmin documentation is in /NextLibrary/Bookshelves/SysAdmin.bshlf I always found it quite rewarding to have a look at it, first. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: "John E. Ray" <jray@bigmac.ag.ohio-state.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: [HELP] Problems with installation hang on OS 4.0, Intel Date: 31 May 97 14:02:17 -0400 Organization: NetSet Internet Solutions, Inc. Message-ID: <AFB5DFED-302D4@128.128.128.127> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.netset.com/comp.sys.next.sysadmin I'm having a bit of a problem installing OpenStep 4.0 on a Pentium IDE system. The installation disks work fine, the CD-ROM is recognized, everything progresses normally up to the point where it should be prompting me to set up a partition on my drive. I get the "NeXT Mach OS" screen, it registers the ATAPI CD-ROM, then the hard drive. The last three messages I get are : "root on sd0", "rootdev 600, howto 0", and "Power Management is enabled." Then the machine just stops. I've disabled power management, and the same thing happens (minus the "Power Management enabled" message). It doesn't completely freeze the machine, because *sometimes* I can type into the window, and everytime I can hit ALT-CLEAR and reboot or halt the machine. I've also tried the latest EIDE/ATAPI drivers, to no avail. Any thoughts or suggestions? I'm not sure what it *should* be doing at this point, so I'm at a bit of a loss. Thanks, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Ray, System Dev/Eng. "You hack code in your sleep, dreaming Communications & Technology, OSUE in Perl and Java..." -- Redhat Ad. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: oklahoma special effects Message-ID: <5mm1uv$l8o@news2.cais.com> From: steve edwards<custservice@tulsastage.com> Date: 30 May 1997 08:09:03 GMT Organization: tulsa stage lighting thanks for your intrest. as many of you know we supply fog, smoke, bubble, snow, strobe. black light, and other equipment to millitary, government, stage, and theatrical productions. if i can help you with any special effect let me know... we also stock high power lamps from 500w to 20,000w ( new meaning to night lights) thanx steve
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Atomic Clock Synchronization with NeXT? Date: 1 Jun 1997 01:34:51 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Message-ID: <5mqjjr$b5d@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Is there any 'telnet-able' or 'http-able' site that will synchronize my NeXT Turbo's computer clock... toll free? I'm tired of dialing 'popcorn.' :-) John
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <12797864532834@digifix.com> Date: 1 Jun 1997 03:57:29 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <26791865137630@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Switching video modes without seeing what your're doing? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 1 Jun 1997 04:56:34 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5mqve2$klq$1@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <AFAAB237-1224C1@141.214.134.235> Cc: comrade@umich.edu NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN In <AFAAB237-1224C1@141.214.134.235> "Robert A. Decker" wrote: > > A few times now my monitor has blanked out at certain video modes. Is >there a way to switch resolution/etc. without seeing the desktop? What can >I do to switch without having to reinstall? Boot single-user, then go into /private/Drivers. (Now I'm doing this from memory, so I may be a little off.) Find the proper directory for your video driver, cd to it, and there should be a file called Instance0.table. Open the file up in an editor, and you can directly edit the display resolution and frequency. Exit out of single-user, and you should see it come up in the new resolution. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
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From: mkrueger@pcmac.com (Mark Krueger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can't get IP up on NeXTcube Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 23:55:54 GMT Organization: PCMAC Message-ID: <5mt21h$e5s$1@pornstorm.eit.com> References: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> Thanks for all of the helpful responses! Here's an update on my IP issue: >Trying pinging these two: 127.0.0.1, localhost. I am able to sucessfully ping 127.0.0.1. I am also able to sucessfully ping my local address at 209.0.25.9 or by using the workstation name: "nextcube". I can NOT ping my gateway, however, or any other workstations on my LAN. My cube still seems to be an island. >If you can, then it might just be a routing problem. What does >netstat tell you? > # netstat -rn Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 2 300 lo0 default 209.0.25.1 UG 0 0 en0 209.0.25 209.0.25.9 U 4 740 en0 >To fix this, drop to the ROM monitor at boot, type 'p' and you'll be >prompt first with where to boot, type in 'bsd'. And don't change... This fixed my "boot from network problem". Thanks!! >The NeXT hardware was built to automatically determine which network >cabling type is installed at power up. For this to work correctly you >should make sure the 10baseT terminator plug is removed and the 10base2 >connection is reliably connected. A power cycle and the thing should be >ok. I am actually using the 10baseT connection. Do I need to have some sort of terminator on the 10base2 coax connection if I'm not using it? Currently there is nothing attached to the coax connection. >And the complete sysadmin documentation is in >/NextLibrary/Bookshelves/SysAdmin.bshlf I apreciate the RTFM ;-) --point made-- I have been reading these documents steadily during this process. The procedure NeXT offers for connecting to a non-next network was what I used for my first attempt (configure Local after running HostManager, etc.). Based on some other advice I have modified my /etc/hosts file, and it now includes the following lines: 209.0.25.9 nextcube 209.0.25.6 dns1 127.0.0.1 localhost I also have added the following lines to my /etc/rc.local file: nameserver 209.0.25.6 domain pcmac.com domainname pcmac.com Thanks to everyone for the help! I am beginning to think I may have faulty hardware. Has anyone else experienced a bad 10baseT port on black hardware?
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can't get IP up on NeXTcube Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:36:50 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970601193448.29515A-100000@kira> References: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Mark Krueger <mkrueger@pcmac.com> In-Reply-To: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> Silly Q: have you setup an /etc/resolv.conf with the IPs of the other machines (esp a DNS server)? It should look like this: domain yourdomain.ext nameserver 123.123.123.123 you can enter as many 'nameserver' lines you like... they hsould point to real IPs of machines setup to do DNS stuff... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NS/OS users: My 'other sites' page has been entirely reworked
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can't get IP up on NeXTcube Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:40:12 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970601193803.29515B-100000@kira> References: <338FAB91.5155@pcmac.com> <5mt21h$e5s$1@pornstorm.eit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Mark Krueger <mkrueger@pcmac.com> In-Reply-To: <5mt21h$e5s$1@pornstorm.eit.com> > Based on some other advice I have modified my /etc/hosts file, and it now > includes the following lines: > > 209.0.25.9 nextcube > 209.0.25.6 dns1 > 127.0.0.1 localhost This should also be set into NetInfo under 'hosts' (I believe) > I also have added the following lines to my /etc/rc.local file: > > nameserver 209.0.25.6 > domain pcmac.com > domainname pcmac.com Wrong file, should be /etc/resolv.conf, I'm pretty sure... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NS/OS users: My 'other sites' page has been entirely reworked
From: "N.T. Cheung" <cheungnt@ha.org.hk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:18:27 +0800 Organization: Hong Kong Hospital Authority Message-ID: <33924993.6236@ha.org.hk> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <anon-ya02408000R1705970333540001@news.cyberspc.mb.ca> <5mi323$8sa$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Gregory Loren Hansen <glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> Gregory Loren Hansen wrote: > I see no functional different between the two options, except that you'll > have to find someplace else to put the menu items that aren't related to > your application, like the apple menu, the application menu, and the time. > I also have a MacSLIP menu and an OSA menu in my menu bar. Window menus are less efficient: 1) They waste space 2) It is harder to position the mouse over a menu floating in the middle of your monitor somewhere than to just bang the mouse up to the top of the monitor (and note that with Windows, there is *always* at least a title bar above the menu, so you never just shove your mouse up to the top to get to a menu, even when Maximized) 3) Multiple menus cause confusion, as you can inadvertantly click on a menu belonging to another window. -- N.T. Cheung << >> << Clinical Information Systems Hong Kong Hospital Authority >> << >>
From: izidor.jerebic@select-tech.si Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: test, ignore Date: 2 Jun 1997 07:33:28 GMT Organization: SELECT Technology Message-ID: <5mtt08$7n2$1@lazar.select-tech.si> test
From: gjvo@xs4all.nl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Computer Modern fonts for NS Date: 2 Jun 1997 19:03:50 GMT Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Message-ID: <5mv5em$ae9$1@news2.xs4all.nl> References: <slrn5osgdo.699.nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU> nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU (James Nielsen) wrote: >I'm also interested in making the fonts work with other NextStep >programs, though, like Openwrite.app. I *almost* got there (with the BaKoMa fonts); the only problem is that a <space> comes out as a funny dash, whereas an <alt><space> (hard space) comes out as a normal space. Anybody knows how to change this? -- Geert Jan van Oldenborgh work: oldenbor@knmi.nl else: gjvo@xs4all.nl web: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gjvo
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 2 Jun 1997 19:42:04 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <5mv7mc$vfe$1@news.apple.com> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Paul Furbacher writes > How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my > current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows > side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would > take days.) I'm assuming you're asking about OPENSTEP for Mach, since you could install OPENSTEP for Windows on your existing Windows drive. You can't install OS/Mach on a DOS partition. If you have unpartitioned space on your hard drive, you create a UNIX file system partition in that space. Otherwise, you'll need to re-partition your drive to make room, which probably implies backing up and restoring your Windows files. There are some tools out there that will "shrink" an existing DOS partition to make room for another OS. Check out the Linux archives... Hope this helps, -Mark -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: 2 Jun 1997 19:41:42 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5mv7lm$qmp$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <anon-ya02408000R1705970333540001@news.cyberspc.mb.ca> <5mi323$8sa$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <33924993.6236@ha.org.hk> In-Reply-To: <33924993.6236@ha.org.hk> On 06/02/97, "N.T. Cheung" wrote: >Window menus are less efficient: > >1) They waste space > Maybe, maybe not -- for me vertical space is at a premium, so the MacOS strip across the top is worse than a block at the side which I can slide windows under anyway. YMMV. >2) It is harder to position the mouse over a menu floating in the middle >of your monitor somewhere than to just bang the mouse up to the top of >the monitor (and note that with Windows, there is *always* at least a >title bar above the menu, so you never just shove your mouse up to the >top to get to a menu, even when Maximized) > NEXTSTEP menus tend to be at the side of the screen so you get effectively infinitely wide cells. Lab-based experiments might (or might not! :-) prove that a menu bar across the top of the screen is more readily accessed than a bar at the side, however I can't say I've noticed any lack of efficiency, and even if there is one my preference in (1) makes it worth the trade-off. Again, YMMV. >3) Multiple menus cause confusion, as you can inadvertantly click on a >menu belonging to another window. > As far as NEXTSTEP goes this is wrong (the main reason for responding): menus belong to an application, and only the menu(s) belonging to the currently-active application are ever visible. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 2 Jun 1997 21:17:52 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5mvda0$jn2$1@news.digifix.com> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> <5mv7mc$vfe$1@news.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <5mv7mc$vfe$1@news.apple.com> On 06/02/97, Mark Bessey wrote: >Paul Furbacher writes >> How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my >> current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows >> side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would >> take days.) > >I'm assuming you're asking about OPENSTEP for Mach, since you >could install OPENSTEP for Windows on your existing Windows >drive. > >You can't install OS/Mach on a DOS partition. If you have >unpartitioned space on your hard drive, you create a UNIX file >system partition in that space. Otherwise, you'll need to >re-partition your drive to make room, which probably implies >backing up and restoring your Windows files. > >There are some tools out there that will "shrink" an existing DOS >partition to make room for another OS. Check out the Linux >archives... > Just to expand on this... If you'd rather trust an off-the-shelf solution to do this... PartitionMagic does this from Windows, and it is truely an amazing product.... For how simple a task it is, it works very well. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
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From: me@ganesh.bitstream.net (My Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 1 Jun 1997 23:22:35 GMT Organization: Bitstream Underground Message-ID: <5mt07r$pp2$1@maryj.bitstream.net> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> In-Reply-To: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> On 05/30/97, Paul Furbacher wrote: >I want to install "Prelude", but I don't want >to sacrifice my existing Win 95 setup (with hundreds Consider creating a new partition using PartitionMagic. If your experience is anything like mine, you will lose no data in your Windows partition, and you'll create an empty partition which the installer disk will recognize. I used this method when I installed NS3.3 on my PC, and it worked wonderfully. [I only deviated from the manual inasmuch as I did not format the new partition: I didn't want to mess up my drive letters, and Win95 wouldn't be able to recognize the NS partition anyway. NS "sees" the Win95 partition as usual.] Chris Jensen cejensen@bitstream.net
From: pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Paul Furbacher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Prelude: system panic every time on boot-up Date: 2 Jun 1997 22:43:16 GMT Organization: Biological Sciences, Purdue Univ. Message-ID: <pf-0206971748380001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Gee, I sure would love to begin using Prelude. But it won't let me, and I don't have the time to keep screwing around with repeated failures to mount. After a successful installation of OpenStep and the additional software (p. 39), it said "Remove the disk from the floppy disk drive and then press Return." Okay, we do. Up comes the "Starting OpenStep" panel with spinning beachball. We're having fun imagining the beach. Then the terminal window appears and finally tells us that we have a system panic: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root If I type "rootdev=sd1a" (SCSI drive 1 is where the OpenStep partition is located) at the boot prompt, I get some "null pointer" messages after lots of startup gibberish: (null pointer): can't check file system. (null pointer): unexpected inconsitency; run fsck manually. Reboot failed ... help! ... My local UNIX expert says the file system is getting mounted "read-only", but can't figure out why. Does that bit of info help? So, what do I do now? I know what I want to do now: pitch the handouts from Apple into the garbage can. Utterly worthless. If someone can prove that the OpenStep disks will be of any value to me on this machine, I'd love to hear how. System setup: Gateway G6-200 (Pentium Pro) SCSI HDs: 0: has Windows 95 setup (2 + 2 GB) 1: has a single OpenStep partition (4 GB) SCSI CD: used to install OpenStep (and someday OS Developer?) IDE CD: on secondary IDE controller (not used for OpenStep stuff) RAM : 48 MB Adaptec SCSISelect(TM) Utility setup to boot from SCSI 1 (the drive with the OpenStep partition) Thanks for any help. Paul Furbacher -- Dr. Paul Furbacher Dept. of Biological Sciences Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907-1392 pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu
From: pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Paul Furbacher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude: system panic every time on boot-up Date: 2 Jun 1997 23:38:19 GMT Organization: Biological Sciences, Purdue Univ. Message-ID: <pf-0206971843410001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> References: <pf-0206971748380001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> A followup to my own message: We disconnected the Windows 95 SCSI drive, went through the whole install procedure again and got as far as the bottom of page 39 of "Installing and Configuring OpenStep". Upon restart, we got a panel which showed the progress in starting up OpenStep, but suddenly the screen went black, save for a blue rectangle in which white text pronounced: OUT OF SCAN RANGE Say what? It's dead as a doornail. This isn't progress. What gives with this crappy software? It shouldn't be this hard! We really want to jump onto the Rhapsody band wagon, but it doesn't have any wheels. Paul Furbacher -- Dr. Paul Furbacher Dept. of Biological Sciences Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907-1392 pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu
From: michael@hesta.com (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Network time polling sites? Date: 3 Jun 1997 14:47:09 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5n1apd$2a1@corporate.hesta.com> We have a setting in our crontab.local file that is supposed to be polling and setting our network time... We have a full time link to the net, yet I noticed we had gotten off by almost 15 minutes, and lo and behold I *think* it may be set incorrectly; or the ans service is nop longer available. Here's what we have in the crontab entry: 0 * * * * root /usr/etc/ntp -s -f ns.ans.net. So I went in and simply executed the command itself to see what would happen. The result: corporate:1# /usr/etc/ntp -s -f ns.ans.net *Timeout* *Timeout* Host ns.ans.net is not responding corporate:2# Any suggestions? Are there other sites I should point to instead ? Thanks! -- "A measure of a man is what he will do for someone who can offer but nothing in return." -Unattributed. MIME & NeXTMAIL accepted Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
From: pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Paul Furbacher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude: system panic every time on boot-up -- solved Date: 3 Jun 1997 05:20:14 GMT Organization: Biological Sciences, Purdue Univ. Message-ID: <pf-0306970025350001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> References: <pf-0206971748380001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> <pf-0206971843410001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Another follow-up to my own messages: Re: system panic. We figured that it was the Windows HD which was getting in the way, so the brute solution was to unplug it. OpenStep made it through the bootup and simple configuration, only to produce the next problem. Re: Out of Scan Range. Several have written to say that I had essentially set the resolution/refresh-rate incorrectly, and that was why I was getting the video-card's error message: Out of Scan Range. I wish I had gotten that far to inflict such damage to my setup. But, the truth is, I picked the wrong driver, passing too quickly over the line, seeing only the "ViRGE" part, and mixing up this machine's card with another's right next to it. This whole process has taken so long that I find myself trying to make up for lost time. Haste makes waste (I know, Mike, it's a cliche). So, after following the good advice of Mike Hovan, Mark Bessey, and Andrew Abernathy, I rebooted with "config=Default". Finally, I set the video up as "S3 Generic, 256 color, etc." and now I have nice, living (in the sense that OpenStep is running) color. Several wrote something to the effect of "welcome to the world of PCs". I've been in that one since 1983, the Mac world since 1986, and believe it or not, nine years ago, for a brief moment, in the NeXT world. Well, whether the world of PCs is good or bad, Rhapsody on Intel is going to have to do one heck of a lot better at setting itself up than does OpenStep. It will have to be very good at dealing with *all* of the hardware available for Intel machines, or it won't fly. It's fine for NeXT to have provided just what the Bank of Boston, the Canadian Pacific Railroad and other top-paying clients wanted for turnkey systems, and high-priced systems maintenance services, but that ain't going to fly in the larger market. I wouldn't want to be on the Rhapsody for Intel team because it's going to be an undaunting task. But one that absolutely must be done before next summer. Thanks to everyone who responded privately and publicly. Now on to making Windows 95 and OpenStep co-exist. Paul Furbacher -- Dr. Paul Furbacher Dept. of Biological Sciences Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907-1392 pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu
From: gutier@unixg.ubc.ca (Gerald Gutierrez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 1 Jun 1997 05:12:16 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5mr0bg$opq$2@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> <5mo9ud$1p12@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> : : How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my : : current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows : : side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would : : take days.) For those who don't know, there is a utility called FIPS which will adjust DOS ( and Win95 non-FAT32 ) partition sizes without disrupting data currently in the partition. The utility is normally included as part of Linux distributions.
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 21:12:02 -0600 From: Tracla@aol.com Subject: NeXT People Question Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Message-ID: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: Tracla@aol.com Hello - my name is Tracey.. I am working with AT&T in HR as a partner. We are looking for NeXT System Administrators.. But my question is, since this is a new software product for me is: Do people outside of NeXT software have these skills? Are there any dedicated websites where we can post job opportunities What are the salaries of people with this skill set? Thank you for any assistance you can provide Tracey Claybrooke 813-685-6004 Tampa, Florida -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 05:55:30 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970604054956.11425A-100000@kira> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Tracla@aol.com In-Reply-To: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 Tracla@aol.com wrote: > Do people outside of NeXT software have these skills? yes > Are there any dedicated websites where we can post job opportunities no.... you should 'post' the job description to comp.sys.next.announce... to do that you should check dejanews for the format used, and then send them to 'next-announce@digifix.com' (you cannot post directly to csn.announce) > What are the salaries of people with this skill set? Again, dejanews is your friend.... depends on responsibilities and experience..... I've heard Wall St companies starting at $100/hr > Thank you for any assistance you can provide You could start by promising never to crosspost within comp.sys.next.* again.... that will prevent you from annoying people who might otherwise be willing to help you (like me on a different day...) TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" Bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html
From: Steven John Pannell <sjp@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: survey Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:19:21 +0100 Organization: Queen Mary And Westfield College, University of London Message-ID: <33956B59.3062@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am an MSc student at the University of London (sjp@dcs.qmw.ac.uk). I am conducting research in User Interface Design Tools. I would appreciate it if any designers out there would take 5-10 minutes to respond to the following survey concerning you use of User Interface Design Tools. 1. What is your background discipline [ ] Computer science [ ] Graphic design [ ] Art [ ] Human Factors Other: 2. How may years of experience do you have in designing user interfaces? 3. At the initial design stage what tools do you use? [ ] Pencil & paper [ ] Whiteboard & marker [ ] Drawing/Sketching software Other: 4. What would you say is the main disadvantage of your chosen design tool? 5. What would you say is the main advantage of your chosen design tool? 6. Do you use interface builders or prototyping tools (e.g. NeXT/Hypercard)? [ ] Yes [ ] No 7. If Yes what software packages do you use most often? 8. What would you say are the main disadvantages of these tools? 9. What would you say are the main advantages of these tools? 10. I am working on an electronic sketchpad that will allow designers to rapidly sketch an interactive user interface using a graphics tablet. What do you think are the main advantages and disadvantages of electronic sketching? Thank you for taking the time to respond to my survey. I would appreciate it if you could email your responses to sjp@dcs.qmw.ac.uk. If you have an questions, or would like further information feel free to contact me. ------------------------------------- Steven Pannell sjp@dcs.qmw.ac.uk http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/~sjp
From: spockf@cs.tu-berlin.de (spockf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,de.comp.sys.next Subject: WriteNow conversion Date: 4 Jun 1997 14:49:14 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5n3v9a$8tj$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: writenow conversion next Hi, I have stumbled over a .wn file and would like to convert it into something printable in a standard UNIX environment. I am not too much into NeXT , but after some time I figured out that it stands for WriteNow. I think it must be (or has been? sorry, no itention to offend anybody) a standard application on the NeXT. Does a converter for WriteNow files exist, or are there other ways to treat this problem? I have framemaker available on HP, so any format that it understands will do, but ps would largely suffice. Many thanx for any suggestions. Daniel Fischer
From: mcgredo@crl.crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: 4 Jun 1997 08:37:43 -0700 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Message-ID: <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> In article <865389689.23631@dejanews.com>, <Tracla@aol.com> wrote: >Hello - my name is Tracey.. I am working with AT&T in HR as a partner. >We are looking for NeXT System Administrators.. > >But my question is, since this is a new software product for >me is: > >Do people outside of NeXT software have these skills? Since NeXT is BSD Unix under the skin, anyone with a Unix background should be able to pick it up fairly quickly. There's some flashy NeXT sysadmin tools that make life easier, but anyone who's competent should be able to pick that up quickly enough. Rhapsody might have enough flashy sysadmin tools for a non- unix type to get by, but that remains to be seen. >What are the salaries of people with this skill set? Uh, $500,000/yr. Yeah, that's the ticket. :-) -- Don McGregor | I did it for the children. mcgredo@crl.com |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) Subject: changing the NeXT icon on the dock Message-ID: <leffert.865520500@cs.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:21:40 GMT I have a system that had a builddisk from a system that had replaced the NeXT icon on the Dock. I'd like to change this back. Anyone know how to do it? -j -- Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> "But on the serious 3.5% tip, 'B' is the second letter of the English Alphabet. You work it out." -- Tone Def, "Fear of a Black Hat" finger -l leffert@cs.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
From: asdfdsajfl;aj@aljfaslkj.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mailloop Upgrade Release Date: 5 Jun 1997 20:12:29 GMT Organization: Sprint Internet Passport Message-ID: <5n76jd$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Mailloop v3.0 is an industrial strength bulk mailer. Mailloop v3.0 is a bulk mailing program for the internet. It can take a single message and broadcast it to either a listing of e-mail addresses or to a listing of newsgroups. Creates custom newsgroup lists by filtering NNTP servers. Creates custom e-mail lists by extracting them from newsgroups. Can also extract e-mail addresses or newsgroup names from other protocols. Built-in NNTP, SMTP, POP, FTP, HTTP, EXEC, CGI, WHOIS and FINGER clients. Anti-cancelbot feature. Automatically processes remove requests. Includes extensive on-line help. The most powerful bulk mailer available. Requires Windows 95 or NT 3.51+ and internet access. The "Program" Mailloop is only available in English. For more info goto: http://205.199.4.219 http://205.199.4.219 Using it is easy: 1) Create a message ( http://205.199.4.219/editor.htm ) ...by using the pull down menus or ...by using any editor 2) Create a newsgroups list ( http://205.199.4.219/news3.htm ) ...by filtering an NNTP server or ...by importing from any text file or ...by manually creating with any editor or ...by extracting from any FTP file or ...by extracting from any HTTP file 3) Create an e-mail list ( http://205.199.4.219/em3.htm ) ...by extracting from newsgroups or ...by importing from any text file or ...by manually creating with any editor or ...by extracting from a WHOIS response or ...by extracting from a fingering response or ...by extracting from a UNIX response or ...by extracting from any FTP file or ...by extracting from any HTTP file or 4) Broadcast the message ...to the e-mail list or ( http://205.199.4.219/embc.htm ) ...to the newsgroup list ( http://205.199.4.219/ngbc.htm ) 5) Then process the remove requests ...by using the mailbox processor ( http://205.199.4.219/pop.htm ) 6) If you want you can use the Newsletter Sever ...The Newsletter Sever will allow you to have an topic-specific newsletter that other can subscribe and unsubscribe to. ...Customizing this server response files ( http://205.199.4.219/response.htm ) ...Creating a new newsletter ( http://205.199.4.219/create.htm ) ...Creating and Updating a newsletter the actual newsletter ( http://205.199.4.219/update.htm ) For more info visit http://205.199.4.219 http://205.199.4.219
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) Subject: resolv.conf? Message-ID: <leffert.865541108@cs.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:05:08 GMT The line search host1.net host2.net does not seem to work in /etc/resolv.conf. I'd like to modify the dns search path. is this possible? -j -- Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> "But on the serious 3.5% tip, 'B' is the second letter of the English Alphabet. You work it out." -- Tone Def, "Fear of a Black Hat" finger -l leffert@cs.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5n76jd$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Date: 5 Jun 1997 21:19:03 GMT Control: cancel <5n76jd$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5n76jd$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Sender: asdfdsajfl;aj@aljfaslkj.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: MAILLOOP Original Subject: Mailloop Upgrade Release Is this cancel message showing up on an email list? If so, please see: http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/news_gateway.html
From: liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: resolv.conf? Date: 5 Jun 1997 22:22:06 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Message-ID: <1133064AB45072B4.11A6E0D181C2A95E.08E3F0808D121E69@library-proxy.airnews.net> References: <leffert.865541108@cs.uchicago.edu> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:05:08 GMT, Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> wrote: > The line > search host1.net host2.net > > does not seem to work in /etc/resolv.conf. I'd like to modify the dns > search path. is this possible? I believe 'search' is not supported with the 'named' shipped with NS3.x. You'll have to install bind-4.9.5 package that's on peak courtesy of Gerben_Wierda@rna.nl. Look for it in peak:/pub/next/apps/internet/misc liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@dragon-dance.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: Patrick Gallagher <gallagher@uh.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude to Rhapsody installation ?s Date: 6 Jun 1997 01:03:50 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <5n7nlm$1dv@news.blkbox.com> References: <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu In <pf-3005971051480001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Paul Furbacher wrote: > How do I install "Prelude" without disrupting my > current setup? (No, I will not re-install the Windows > side, just to make room for "Prelude". That would > take days.) A couple of options come to mind, but they both involve a common step--changing the partitioning scheme on your current disk (assuming you've already used all of its capacity in your current partitioning scheme). There is a product called Partition Magic which does wonderful things with MS OS partitions. Relevant here, you can change the size of your current partition to free up some room for OPENSTEP without having to reinstall everything. If you free up enough, you can just put OPENSTEP in the free space. Otherwise, you can begin the OPENSTEP boot process on the first disk and continue it on the second. There is a NeXTanswer about that at http://www.next.com PG -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Gallagher <Patrick@BifrostWorks.com> (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is more to life than increasing its speed." -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bozack@zobak.org (Daft.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Boot manager vanishing act Date: 6 Jun 1997 01:15:18 GMT Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Message-ID: <5n7ob6$1ha@news.blkbox.com> NNTP-Posting-User: bozack I've just installed OPENSTEP 4.1 for Mach on my Intel machine and it seems to be working great except for one problem: I inadvertantly killed the boot manager that comes with OPENSTEP. If I install the OS/2 Boot Manager, the partition number OPENSTEP is sitting on would change and I suspect it wouldn't like to boot anymore. Is there any way to get that boot manager back in my arms again? Thanks, Dan bozack@blkbox.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer From: edew@netcom.com (Eric Dew) Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Message-ID: <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> Sender: edew@netcom2.netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:22:37 GMT In article <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> mcgredo@nospam.crl.com writes: >In article <865389689.23631@dejanews.com>, <Tracla@aol.com> wrote: >>Hello - my name is Tracey.. I am working with AT&T in HR as a partner. >>We are looking for NeXT System Administrators.. >> >>But my question is, since this is a new software product for >>me is: >> >>Do people outside of NeXT software have these skills? > >Since NeXT is BSD Unix under the skin, anyone with a Unix >background should be able to pick it up fairly quickly. There's >some flashy NeXT sysadmin tools that make life easier, but >anyone who's competent should be able to pick that up quickly >enough. > And NeXTs are easier to administer than PCs (running NT, for example) or Macs or Solarises or HP-UXes. You can get two NeXT sys admins to manage up to 200 machines with little problems. >Rhapsody might have enough flashy sysadmin tools for a non- >unix type to get by, but that remains to be seen. > >>What are the salaries of people with this skill set? > >Uh, $500,000/yr. Yeah, that's the ticket. :-) > It depends on the region. In the Silicon Valley, $500K is a little on the low side :-) EDEW
From: com@com.com (com@com.com) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 05:15:26 GMT Organization: com@com.com Message-ID: <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:22:37 GMT, edew@netcom.com (Eric Dew) wrote: >>>What are the salaries of people with this skill set? >> >>Uh, $500,000/yr. Yeah, that's the ticket. :-) >> >It depends on the region. In the Silicon Valley, $500K is a little on the >low side :-) Eric, I would be curious (and other lurkers) to know what a NextStep programmer makes? In particular, those many & several programmers I see that post here. The ones that do work "off location" (i.e. their home or office) (vs. i.e. working for a traditional "company").
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: 6 Jun 1997 06:01:18 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5n893e$obh$3@news.xmission.com> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> com@com.com (com@com.com) wrote: > Eric, I would be curious (and other lurkers) to know what a NextStep > programmer makes? In particular, those many & several programmers > I see that post here. The ones that do work "off location" (i.e. their > home or office) (vs. i.e. working for a traditional "company"). Well, to inject some tiny hint of reality into this, the consultants charge what they can get, and that will vary greatly from one project to the next for most of them. If they are popular and well known, like Omni, they can get $250/hour on some contracts. If they don't have those sorts of credentials, they may be as cheap as, say a student who scrapes out code by night and goes for $15/hour. And there's a whole spectrum in between. So you could say that the NeXT developers are making something between $30k to $500k per year...though I _strongly_ suspect that most are nearer to the 60-100k range (depending upon skill) than either extreme. This is somewhat conjecture, somewhat based on what I know of others in the same field, but should be pretty close to the truth. I won't tell you what I make or charge, though, in any terms more precise than the above. :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: tbutler@tfs.net (Travis Butler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Get rid of the common menu bar strip Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 00:11:00 -0500 Organization: The Wandering Powerbook... Message-ID: <AFBD0614966817DDFB@node28.tfs.net> References: <337BE3F9.EC5@idt.net> <bates_andy-1905971019140001@news.tandem.com> <5lt4vu$bhg@cgl.ucsf.edu> <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com> <5m0gcq$hd7@sps1.phys.vt.edu> In article <5m0gcq$hd7@sps1.phys.vt.edu>, nurban@sps1.phys.vt.edu (Nathan Urban) wrote: >In article <5lv343$q3l$1@swlab1.msd.ray.com>, rfl@swl.msd.ray.com wrote: > >> BUT pop-ups are _invisible_. The desktop menu provides the same function, >> with a visual cue. Sure a pop-up saves wear-&-tear on the wrist, but if you >> don't know what's there, you'll get less use from those functions. > >> I speak from experience, with Interleaf 5, a Unix document processing app, >> whose entire interface is in contextual pop-ups, and there are a zillion >> contexts for the same piece of a document. You never know what'll come up. >> And the pop-ups can get mighty deep, with layer after layer after layer. > >Let me point out that NEXTSTEP pop-ups are different. They're _not_ >contextual; no matter where you are, it gives you the global menu for >the app, the analog to the Mac menubar. And it's always available so >you can always count on it to be there. > >But for novice users at least, I agree that there should always be >something visible. I prefer NEXTSTEP's floating menu; and advanced >users can move it out of the way and only use the pop-ups. Another point to remember: Unless you stay in the same program (and even in the same *version*) for all of your computing life, you are *guaranteed* to be a novice user many times... every time you pick up a new program, or a significant revision of an old one. Travis Butler (The Professor, formerly of Myth and Magick!, Lawrence, KS; tbutler@tfs.net, now from the Wandering Powerbook; <http://www.tfs.net/personal/tbutler/>; Mac page <http://www.tfs.net/business/tbutler/>) ...Cats are the proof of a higher purpose to the universe.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:31:19 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Mna2p7O00UhBA1mvM2@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 6-Jun-97 Re: NeXT People Question by com@com.com@com.com > Eric, I would be curious (and other lurkers) to know what a NextStep > programmer makes? In particular, those many & several programmers > I see that post here. The ones that do work "off location" (i.e. their > home or office) (vs. i.e. working for a traditional "company"). It depends on whether you choose to be a salaried employee or whether you want to play the consulting game. Consultants can make anywhere up to $250 an hour, but somewhere in the region of $125-$150 is going to be a lot more typical. Of course, a consultant has to find new work on a regular basis, and they can end up not working for a while if the market slows down. The low-end for salaried employees is about $30,000 - $35,000, and really good NEXTSTEP programmers can see over $100K, with $50K being a reasonable guestimate for the average salary for an experienced programmer. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: resolv.conf? Date: 6 Jun 1997 15:36:13 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Message-ID: <C2E1B0D87C7451D0.E09BCC473EBB15DD.9910040A9010471B@library-proxy.airnews.net> References: <1133064AB45072B4.11A6E0D181C2A95E.08E3F0808D121E69@library-proxy.airnews.net> <5n91hr$11k@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net On 6 Jun 1997 12:58:35 GMT, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote: > In article > <1133064AB45072B4.11A6E0D181C2A95E.08E3F0808D121E69@library-proxy.airnews.n > et> liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) writes: > > [...] > Lastly, simply upgrading named will NOT help. named is not the problem, > it's NeXT's resolver routines built-in to the C system libraries. You're right, and I was definitely wrong about the source of his problem. Sorry, liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@dragon-dance.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: ScotV@Novell.COM Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: resolv.conf? References: <leffert.865541108@cs.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <339733c5.0@gronk.provo.novell.com> Date: 5 Jun 97 21:46:45 GMT In article <leffert.865541108@cs.uchicago.edu> leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) writes: > The line > search host1.net host2.net > > does not seem to work in /etc/resolv.conf. I'd like to modify the dns > search path. is this possible? > > -j > -- > Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> > "But on the serious 3.5% tip, 'B' is the second letter of the English > Alphabet. You work it out." -- Tone Def, "Fear of a Black Hat" > finger -l leffert@cs.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key Here's how I have my resolv.conf setup. It seems to be working fine. domain xxx.novell.com nameserver 9.9.9.9 nameserver 9.9.9.9 nameserver 9.9.9.9 Of course, you need to specify your own domain and dns ip addresses. Scot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.java.setup From: Fabien_Roy@no.spam.free.fdn.fr Subject: Re: Problems w/ Kaffe 0.9 [next-m68k] (undef'd syms _java_util_zip_*) Message-ID: <EBDJ8p.1uq@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <5m2ms1$t35$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:48:24 GMT try -all_load option of cc excerpt from ReleaseNotes/CompilerTools.rtf * The new -all_load flag provides a way to link in all the members of the specified libraries. When this flag is present all library members for the specified libraries are always loaded from the library. This solves problems with respect to the use of rld(3), objc_loadModules(3) and NXBundles where the application wants to make available all of the library routines to the code it dynamically loads. This provides a more general solution that which is provided with the "-u libsys_s" like flags with respect to the NeXT supplied shared libraries. This solution works for all types of libraries including those not supplied by NeXT. -- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
From: kc@ignem.omnigroup.com (Ken Case) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude: system panic every time on boot-up Date: 6 Jun 1997 08:56:41 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <5n8jc9$9gv$2@gaea.omnigroup.com> References: <pf-0206971748380001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> <pf-0206971843410001@biomedia-pf-2.bio.purdue.edu> Paul Furbacher (pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu) wrote: : SCSI HDs: 0: has Windows 95 setup (2 + 2 GB) : 1: has a single OpenStep partition (4 GB) You can get OpenStep working in this configuration, but you have to edit /etc/fstab on your OpenStep partition so that it knows to mount /dev/sd1a as root rather than /dev/sd0a (which is the default). To edit the /etc/fstab, you'll either need to disconnect the Win95 disk temporarily, or boot with "-s rootdev=sd1a" and once you get a shell prompt "mount -o remount /dev/sd1a /" then use a UNIX editor--say, vi--to edit /etc/fstab. (Obviously, which solution you find easier will depend on your relative comfort with hardware vs. UNIX.) Feel free to contact me in e-mail if you'd like more detailed directions on this process. : We disconnected the Windows 95 SCSI drive, went : through the whole install procedure again and : got as far as the bottom of page 39 of "Installing : and Configuring OpenStep". Upon restart, we got a : panel which showed the progress in starting up : OpenStep, but suddenly the screen went black, save : for a blue rectangle in which white text pronounced: : : OUT OF SCAN RANGE It sounds like OpenStep is configuring your video card to use a resolution and refresh frequency which isn't supported by your monitor, and your monitor is giving up and presenting the "OUT OF SCAN RANGE" message. If you boot "config=Default" it will resort to using the standard VGA resolution, which hopefully will be supported by your monitor. You should then be able to run /NextAdmin/Configure.app and change your display configuration to something which your monitor will support. (Assuming, of course, that that is in fact the problem which you are encountering.) Hope this helps! : -- : Dr. Paul Furbacher : Dept. of Biological Sciences : Purdue University : West Lafayette, IN 47907-1392 : pf@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu -- Ken Case kc@omnigroup.com Omni Development, Inc. http://www.omnigroup.com
From: com@com.com (com@com.com) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 05:30:21 GMT Organization: com@com.com Message-ID: <3398eef1.3101355@news.voyageronline.net> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> <5n893e$obh$3@news.xmission.com> On 6 Jun 1997 06:01:18 GMT, don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) wrote: >com@com.com (com@com.com) wrote: >> Eric, I would be curious (and other lurkers) to know what a NextStep >> programmer makes? In particular, those many & several programmers >> I see that post here. The ones that do work "off location" (i.e. their >> home or office) (vs. i.e. working for a traditional "company"). > >Well, to inject some tiny hint of reality into this, the would the above, working off 'location', be in line with reality, in your opinion? >consultants charge what they can get, and that will vary >greatly from one project to the next for most of them. If >they are popular and well known, like Omni, they can get >$250/hour on some contracts. If they don't have those sorts I guess I was talking about what the individual takes home. I seem to remember reading somewhere. .that the "company" will bill (i.e.) $200./hour the programmer will get about 1/2 this. . which is still about 50% above what someone on salary gets (with the trade off, being. . salary=job protection, more benefits, more stable life, etc.) >of credentials, they may be as cheap as, say a student who >scrapes out code by night and goes for $15/hour. And there's I would be curious to know if such animals do exist? (in NextStep that is). >a whole spectrum in between. So you could say that the NeXT >developers are making something between $30k to $500k per >year...though I _strongly_ suspect that most are nearer to the >60-100k range (depending upon skill) Skill. . . . and location. . . a person making a $100k/year in the People's Republic of California. . or the Worker's Paradise of New York City, would probably not be living as well as someone that has left those type locales. .and relocated to the backwoods of wherever. Hence the question about working "off location". Even the most remote parts of the nation are connected now. >This is somewhat conjecture, somewhat based on what I know of >others in the same field, but should be pretty close to the truth. >I won't tell you what I make or charge, though, in any terms more >precise than the above. :-) And I wouldn't want you too! I'm looking more for "general" terms. I guess you have the 'low' and the 'high'---and most people probably fall into that bell curve in the middle. On the other hand, how many people that use NextStep are mediocre enough to be described as average? hmmm... Thanks for the input. > >-- >Later, > >-Don Yacktman >don@misckit.com ><a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a> >
From: com@com.com (com@com.com) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 05:31:22 GMT Organization: com@com.com Message-ID: <3398ef04.3120517@news.voyageronline.net> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> <Mna2p7O00UhBA1mvM2@andrew.cmu.edu> <5n9qga$cnu$4@news2.digex.net> On 6 Jun 1997 20:04:26 GMT, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >I think it being a highly demanded, but short supplied market has >a lot to do with the higher rates.... All that will change in the >upcoming years (so live it up while you can :). This is a most interesting statement! Would you care to guess as to the figures? I know that NextStep was never a "wild" success in terms of lots of people using it, but WAS a success in terms of programmers making money. Are you talking 20% off the figures above? ---or something more drastic, like "80%"? Also, can you give a time frame? (lets assume Rhapsody ships on time etc.). When would the above figure(s) start to influence the market?
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: 7 Jun 1997 05:42:29 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5nasc5$fva$1@news2.digex.net> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> <Mna2p7O00UhBA1mvM2@andrew.cmu.edu> <5n9qga$cnu$4@news2.digex.net> <3398ef04.3120517@news.voyageronline.net> com@com.com (com@com.com) wrote: > On 6 Jun 1997 20:04:26 GMT, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> > wrote: > This is a most interesting statement! Would you care to guess > as to the figures? I know that NextStep was never a "wild" success > in terms of lots of people using it, but WAS a success in terms > of programmers making money. Are you talking 20% off the figures > above? ---or something more drastic, like "80%"? > Also, can you give a time frame? (lets assume Rhapsody ships on > time etc.). When would the above figure(s) start to influence > the market? Well, my best guestimate would be for those figures to asymtotically approach the industry average...The rate of change would depend upon how quickly and in what numbers people will go to the environment. I image w/in 3 years that OPENSTEP salaries get inline with the rest of the industry... Then again, it's pretty much speculation on my part :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: jreiss@discus.ise.vt.edu (Joe Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: changing the NeXT icon on the dock Date: 7 Jun 1997 13:10:09 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Message-ID: <5nbmjh$4dv$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <leffert.865520500@cs.uchicago.edu> Leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) wrote... >I have a system that had a builddisk from a system that had replaced the >NeXT icon on the Dock. I'd like to change this back. Anyone know how to >do it? The file you want to change is... /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/NeXT.tiff Replace it with a copy of the original NeXT icon, reboot, and you'll be set. Joe -- | NeXTMail OK! | Everybody remember where we parked! | | ________ | | | | |__) | ======================================================== | | (_|OE| \EISS | - Two Trekkers after the saucer stopped, "Generations" |
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: 6 Jun 1997 20:04:26 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5n9qga$cnu$4@news2.digex.net> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> <Mna2p7O00UhBA1mvM2@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > It depends on whether you choose to be a salaried employee or > whether you want to play the consulting game. Consultants can > make anywhere up to $250 an hour, but somewhere in the region of > $125-$150 is going to be a lot more typical. Of course, a > consultant has to find new work on a regular basis, and they can > end up not working for a while if the market slows down. > The low-end for salaried employees is about $30,000 - $35,000, > and really good NEXTSTEP programmers can see over $100K, with > $50K being a reasonable guestimate for the average salary for an > experienced programmer. Boy, I think it depends on region, b/c here in NY the salaries I've heard of are a LOT higher. I've heard consultants getting round $350/hr (sheesh as bad as lawyers :) but on average $175-225, and full time work for a decently experienced NeXT programmer (3+ years) is in the 80-100k on average, and 130k on up for the super duper guys... I think it being a highly demanded, but short supplied market has a lot to do with the higher rates.... All that will change in the upcoming years (so live it up while you can :). -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: resolv.conf? Date: 6 Jun 1997 12:58:35 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5n91hr$11k@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <1133064AB45072B4.11A6E0D181C2A95E.08E3F0808D121E69@library-proxy.airnews.net> In article <1133064AB45072B4.11A6E0D181C2A95E.08E3F0808D121E69@library-proxy.airnews.n et> liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) writes: > On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:05:08 GMT, Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> > wrote: > > The line > > search host1.net host2.net > > > > does not seem to work in /etc/resolv.conf. I'd like to modify the dns > > search path. is this possible? > > I believe 'search' is not supported with the 'named' shipped with NS3.x. > You'll have to install bind-4.9.5 package that's on peak courtesy of > Gerben_Wierda@rna.nl. Look for it in peak:/pub/next/apps/internet/misc The bind delivered with NeXTSTEP (as of 3.3, at least) is version 4.8.3 (I believe), and my "DNS and BIND" O'Reilly book says it supports the search directive in resolv.conf. 1. Did you reboot after making the change to /etc/resolv.conf? (I think this is required). 2. You can also specify resolver information in NetInfo at: /locations/resolver If this is the case, this overrides settings in /etc/resolv.conf, I believe. 3. Test the resolver routines using /usr/etc/nslookup Lastly, simply upgrading named will NOT help. named is not the problem, it's NeXT's resolver routines built-in to the C system libraries. Good luck. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: Mark Lasersohn <laser@cowhouse.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nextstep's renderman w/SGI softimage and sorender Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 11:14:20 -0400 Organization: Cow House Productions Message-ID: <33997ACC.167E@cowhouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am trying to use Softimage with SoRender on an SGI box and Renderman on a nextstep box. Can anyone give me some helpful hints on the best way to set up such a beast? -- Mark Lasersohn Cow House Productions laser@cowhouse.com http://www.cowhouse.com 330-569-7492
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Message-ID: <EBF342.5v7.0.scream@sounds.wa.com> Organization: Sound Consulting, Bellevue, WA, USA References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n9qga$cnu$4@news2.digex.net> <3398ef04.3120517@news.voyageronline.net> <5nasc5$fva$1@news2.digex.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:55:14 GMT In article <5nasc5$fva$1@news2.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >Well, my best guestimate would be for those figures to asymtotically >approach the industry average...The rate of change would depend >upon how quickly and in what numbers people will go to the environment. >I image w/in 3 years that OPENSTEP salaries get inline with the >rest of the industry... Then again, it's pretty much speculation >on my part :) I would be curious to know what the industry average is for programmers in the markets that are most similar to OPENSTEP now. I have a couple of figures for the Seattle area, but I don't know if they're reliable or more wishful thinking. In other words, what are Object Oriented software developers making on contract in various parts of the US, or the world. My impression is that talented OO programmers command reasonably high rates which wouldn't upset a long-term NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP professional. -- Brian Willoughby NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody Software Design Sound Consulting Bellevue, WA, U.S.A. Registered NeXT/Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner BrianW@SoundS.WA.com NeXTmail welcome
From: tsnSSSmith@csd.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.forsale.computers.discussion,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables,misc.forsale.computers.memory,misc.forsale.computers.modems,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc,misc.forsale.computers.other.software,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.storage,alt.business.import-export.computer,alt.make.money.fast,alt.make.money Subject: WIRELESS INTERNET ACCESS AT 128K Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 20:15:39 GMT Organization: MegsInet, Inc. - Midwestern Internet Services Message-ID: <5ncf7l$64k$2@news.megsinet.net> http://www.trweb.com/infonow
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From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: resolv.conf? Date: 6 Jun 1997 15:31:43 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5n9agv$dm4@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <leffert.865541108@cs.uchicago.edu> leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) writes: >The line >search host1.net host2.net >does not seem to work in /etc/resolv.conf. I'd like to modify the dns >search path. is this possible? The NeXT version only support domain xxx.xxx kai -- Software Engineer email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/ PGP fingerprint <1B 67 F5 6C C4 44 4F 87 52 F7 61 C7 8E D0 36 40> finger kwong@plato.ucs.mun.ca to get PGP public key.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: 7 Jun 1997 20:31:56 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ncgfs$fnp$1@news2.digex.net> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n9qga$cnu$4@news2.digex.net> <3398ef04.3120517@news.voyageronline.net> <5nasc5$fva$1@news2.digex.net> <EBF342.5v7.0.scream@sounds.wa.com> brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) wrote: > In article <5nasc5$fva$1@news2.digex.net>, John Kheit > <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > >Well, my best guestimate would be for those figures to asymtotically > >approach the industry average...The rate of change would depend > >upon how quickly and in what numbers people will go to the > >environment. I image w/in 3 years that OPENSTEP salaries get > >inline with the rest of the industry... Then again, it's pretty > >much speculation on my part :) > I would be curious to know what the industry average is for > programmers in the markets that are most similar to OPENSTEP now. > I have a couple of figures for the Seattle area, but I don't know > if they're reliable or more wishful thinking. In other words, > what are Object Oriented software developers making on contract > in various parts of the US, or the world. My impression is that > talented OO programmers command reasonably high rates which > wouldn't upset a long-term NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP professional. Well, I don't know the national figures. And the NYC figures I have are a combination of hearsay, and anecdotal experience. And of course it depends on experience... But if graduating student can expect a 30k/yr salary for doing basic C type coding, I'd say you would be in the 40k/yr doing OO work of import and significance (i.e. where the C++ project relied on the ++ in some significant way)... I would think that salary boost would apply throughout, but don't know for sure... And a graduating student with a fair bit of NeXT experience (say 1 yr) can usually land in at 50-60k/yr... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT People Question Date: 7 Jun 1997 18:47:58 GMT Organization: Rockwell Collins Message-ID: <5ncacu$5fo3@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <865389689.23631@dejanews.com> <5n4247$odp@crl.crl.com> <edewEBC19q.H4D@netcom.com> <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> Cc: com@com.com In <33979c83.1360723@news.voyageronline.net> com@com.com wrote: EXPERT nextstep programmers who ALSO have some knowledge of one of the many application fields using NeXTstep earn low 6 figures from remote offices and mid 6 figures for on-site work. Add 25% for New York City and some other expensive areas. NOVICE nextstep programmers earn about standard fees 50-75k / year One reason fees are high (apart from supply and demand) is that expert nextstep programmers are capable of creating apps for vertical or horizontal markets very rapidly and inexpensively. Employers are pay a premium for the "opportunity costs" of distracting the programmers from building and selling their own apps. For instance, my company earns 7 figures for selling apps but only six figures for contract work. With nextstep, the risks of building apps without a paying customer are low. It is an extremely good business to be in right now.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <26791865137630@digifix.com> Date: 8 Jun 1997 03:57:17 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <14012865742421@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStation as X terminal? Date: 8 Jun 1997 00:32:19 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5ndn63$c30@slip.net> References: <1997051911435282315@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <5m1mdj$ro5$3@news.th-darmstadt.de> >Georg Schwarz (schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de) wrote: >> I've got a b/w-NeXTStation (68040, 8 MB RAM) running NEXTSTEP 2.1. >> Could I turn it into an X terminal? To reduce administration, it would >> be best if, after booting, the NeXT already displayed the login screen >> of another machine (running e.g. Linux). Is that feasable? I expect you'll have to upgrade to NS 3.+. then you can look for Co-Xist or Cub'X on c.s.n.m. You may be able to find Co-Xist for about 50$-100$ to run X applications. > Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam> wrote: >For crying out loud, stop torturing the poor thing! Co-Xist works fine if you running an app like Plot-MTV or GNUplot. Sell it to someone >(I'm sure you'll get a couple 100 Deutschmark for it), and buy a cheap >PC to run Linux. The problem with that solution is that you lose Interface Builder. Important if you're developing GUIs. And of course if you go with Linux forget about apps for video editing, CD quality digital audio recording, and DTP applications like PasteUp. Pretty much all Linux has to offer is some third party database products, a C++ compiler, ghostview, Mathematica (all of which are available for NS anyway.) Anyway, you can get a reliable NeXT box for far less than a reliable PC. Nowadays you can purchase a NeXT 21" color monitor (which works fine with a Mono box) for 250$. See if you can beat that price with Intel hardware. > You'll save alot of time. What developing X-Windows apps in Linux versus Interface Builder in NeXTSTEP? That's a laugh. That I'd like to see. > Besides, X windows servers for black HW are neither fast not cheap - Well, compared to Linux nothing is cheap. >and I don't know where you could get an X server for 2.1 - hm, in a museum perhaps :-) Agreed, upgrade to at least 3.0 . Emmett
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From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 8 Jun 1997 00:49:44 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> In article <338DB457.2579@abacus.com>, Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: > >Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real >issues as a server OS. I don't believe it. > Apparently, if you put more than twelve-or-so >users on it at a time, it really bogs down. Depends on the machine, an 030 running NS 3.0 with 16 Megs of RAM will slow up once there are about 15+ users. An 040/33 machine running NS 3.3 with 64 Megs of RAM will handle 25+ users nicely. That's my experience based upon my programming expericnce with NS 3.0 and NS 3.1 at San Francisco State. > Also, there's a limit of 200 processes in NeXTStep, which is >actually pretty low for even a client-side OS. The limit is more like 400. I know this because in the graduate Operating Systems each year there is a project on creating threads and almost every year someone forgets to put a time out wrapper on the threads he creates and brings down the entire system by creating hundreds of new processes. We've been able to watch the number of processes as the machine slows to death. 400 based upon this experience is the limit. After about 300 the the machine is effectively useless. > To top it off, a NeXTStep system really needs the >protection of a firewall -- security is definitely behind the levels >defined by Solaris and AIX. Well, I'd take NS over NT anyday. Are you comparing a sparc to a cube? Not a fair comparison since a sparc costs about 20 times more. Or are you refering to NS running under Solaris? > Apple may have cancelled updates to AIX (and who can blame them), but >they've got some work before Rhapsody is up to snuff as a standalone >Server. They could have done a lot worse than NS. I don't expect Rhapsody compete with Sun in the 100,000$+ market. But expect Rhapsody will be terrific, much better than it is now, in its areas of strength. Like DTP and video/audio stuff. NS is pretty good in these areas now - even without Apple. Emmett
From: jbf_see_sig@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: changing the NeXT icon on the dock Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 12:55:02 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf_see_sig-ya023580000806971255020001@news.tiac.net> References: <leffert.865520500@cs.uchicago.edu> <5nbmjh$4dv$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5nbmjh$4dv$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jreiss@vt.edu wrote: > Leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) wrote... > >I have a system that had a builddisk from a system that had replaced the > >NeXT icon on the Dock. I'd like to change this back. Anyone know how to > >do it? > > The file you want to change is... > /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/NeXT.tiff > > Replace it with a copy of the original NeXT icon, reboot, and you'll > be set. There is a shareware tool on the archives that restores all the black icons (there are about 10 scattered here and there). Something like "BlackIcon" ... Barney (delete that _see_sig to email me)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) Subject: procmail and nextmail Message-ID: <leffert.865885554@cs.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:45:54 GMT Here's the situation, I've got a UNIX mail account (this account) and a NeXT machine that I don't use for mail. I'd like to use procmail to forward NeXTMail sent to my UNIX account to my account on my NeXT. I figure that I could look through the headers for a NeXTMail header and then forward it, but I have no idea how to do this. Has anyone done this? -j -- Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> "But on the serious 3.5% tip, 'B' is the second letter of the English Alphabet. You work it out." -- Tone Def, "Fear of a Black Hat" finger -l leffert@cs.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
From: andrew david kaczorek <kaczorek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: resolv.conf again? Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:17:42 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970609221342.9152A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm also having a problem guess-configuring my NextStation. I've got two machines on this network as a test...oldtimer.morris.net (486 running linux) and badboy.morris.net (running ns 3.2). I'm trying to get the next to work right. As of now, the next will work if i type "ping oldtimer" or "ping badboy" or even "ping localhost". But if i type "ping badboy.morris.net" it will not work. I have the following line in my resolv.conf domain morris.net my hostconfig file calls the next "badboy" and gives it ip addres 150.150.150.2 wheras "oldtimer" is 150.150.150.1. I also added badboy and oldtimer in the netinfo using hostmanager. i am completely ignorant about how the UNIX and GUI work together/against each other in this situation. I have no books....no man pages....no more ideas. So I'd really be floored if I could get help about this. Please respond via email as well since I cannot check this grroup frequently. thanks. andrew
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Unusable fonts in OS/NT? Date: 9 Jun 1997 22:22:39 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <5nhvnf$g8i@shelob.afs.com> I'm trying to move some of my NeXT fonts over to OS/NT. I put them in /LocalLibrary/Fonts, I see buildafmdir do its thing, the font families and faces show up in the Font Panel, but all of them are marked as "Unusable" in the preview section. I tried logging out and in, no luck. Anyone else had this problem and know a solution? Thanks. BTW, these are all "legit" Adobe fonts in 2.0 format. No clones or PD. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "We're in the land of the blind, Visionary Ophthalmologist | selling working eyeballs, and they Anderson Financial Systems | balk at the choice of color." -- Tony greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | Lovell, on Mac user reactions to NeXT
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStation as X terminal? Date: 10 Jun 1997 11:51:50 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5njf4m$fvi$1@news.th-darmstadt.de> References: <1997051911435282315@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <5m1mdj$ro5$3@news.th-darmstadt.de> <5ndn63$c30@slip.net> emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) wrote: >>Georg Schwarz (schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de) wrote: >>> I've got a b/w-NeXTStation (68040, 8 MB RAM) running NEXTSTEP 2.1. >>> Could I turn it into an X terminal? To reduce administration, it would >>> be best if, after booting, the NeXT already displayed the login screen >>> of another machine (running e.g. Linux). Is that feasable? > Anyway, you can get a reliable NeXT box for far less than a reliable > PC. Nowadays you can purchase a NeXT 21" color monitor (which works > fine with a Mono box) for 250$. See if you can beat that price > with Intel hardware. The NeXT color monitor does not work with a Mono station. In order to use a Color monitor with a NeXT machine, you need either a Cube with a ND or a NeXTstation Color. Rgds, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Message-ID: <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:50:16 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom6.netcom.com In article <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net>, Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> wrote: >In article <338DB457.2579@abacus.com>, Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: >> >>Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real >>issues as a server OS. > > I don't believe it. Believe it. I love my cube (twin ND's) and intel box, but MachOS is not quite up to snuff as an application server. I don't know about hosting multiple users and shell activity, etc. but there are some definite bugs and limitations in the OS and object layer wrt network applications. There is a hard limit on the number of active TCP sockets, a limit run into by people serving http. It also affects DO traffic quite severely. DO uses two TCP sockets per object connection. (Well, at least two per machine are used. nmserver may multiplex its connections for all programs on a given machine.) The network and other I/O drivers are quite slow compared to Solaris or linux or BSD. I support a true DO application which brings down a random machine at least once a day. Now, much of this instability is probably due to poor program design, but a user level program does manage to panic a PPro 200 w/ 256MB of RAM running either NS 3.3 or OS 4.1. Yeah, I'd say there are some issues for NeXTstep as a server OS _today_. Rhapsody can be better and very likely will be. > Well, I'd take NS over NT anyday. Amen to that. -Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: Photorep45@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5ndqod$nm$1160@news.internetmci.com> Control: cancel <5ndqod$nm$1160@news.internetmci.com> Message-ID: <despam.5ndqod$nm$1160@news.internetmci.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 06:00:00 -700 Cancel Spam.
From: Steve Dekorte <dekorte@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 10 Jun 1997 17:55:01 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5nk4dl$q7d$1@owl> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> In comp.sys.next.programmer Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: > John Christie wrote: > Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real > issues as a server OS. Apparently, if you put more than twelve-or-so > users on it at a time, it really bogs down. Also, there's a limit of > 200 processes in NeXTStep, which is actually pretty low for even a > client-side OS. To top it off, a NeXTStep system really needs the > protection of a firewall -- security is definitely behind the levels > defined by Solaris and AIX. I think your info may be based on 6-8 year old NeXT black hardware running an equally old version of the OS. Steve
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: procmail and nextmail Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:02:36 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970610115051.14148A-100000@cc344191-a> References: <leffert.865885554@cs.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Jonathan B. Leffert" <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <leffert.865885554@cs.uchicago.edu> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jonathan B. Leffert wrote: > Here's the situation, I've got a UNIX mail account (this account) and a > NeXT machine that I don't use for mail. I'd like to use procmail to > forward NeXTMail sent to my UNIX account to my account on my NeXT. I > figure that I could look through the headers for a NeXTMail header and then > forward it, but I have no idea how to do this. Has anyone done this? :0 * ^Next-Attachment: ! you@nextmailmachine.ext or if you want to be safer :0 * ^Next-Attachment: { :0c: IN.nextmail :0 ! you@nextmailmachine.ext } actually, we want to avoid mail loops too, so we should add a header we can check to make sure we haven't done this already. We'll use formail and the '-I' flag to insert a new header and then send that to sendmail :0 * ^Next-Attachment: * ! X-Loop: you@nextmailmachine.ext { :0c: IN.nextmail :0 | $FORMAIL -I"X-Loop: you@nextmailmachine.ext" |\ $SENDMAIL -oi you@nextmailmachine.ext } You should be sure to define FORMAIL and SENDMAIL, and why don't we pop that email address into a variable also.... # point this to whevever formail is on your system FORMAIL=/usr/local/bin/formail # ditto for sendmail SENDMAIL=/usr/lib/sendmail # this is the address you want to forward to # which can read NeXTMail ALTADD=you@nextmailmachine.ext :0 * ^Next-Attachment: * ! X-Loop: ${ALTADD} { # we make a backup of the mail into a mailfolder # called 'IN.nextmail' or whatever you'd like to # call it... just so we can save ourselves # if the forwarding goes wrong :0c: IN.nextmail # Insert an X-Loop header to avoid mail loops :0 | $FORMAIL -I"X-Loop: ${ALTADD}" |\ $SENDMAIL -oi ${ALTADD} } # end of procmail recipe for forwaring NeXTMail YMMV/Use at your own risk, etc etc... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html
From: Subir Grewal <hostmaster@trill-home.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT laser printer toner cartidge? Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:41:01 GMT Organization: Trill host selection council Message-ID: <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com> I can't seem to reach peanuts.leo.org from here, so I thought I'd ask whether anyone knew what toner cartridges NeXT laser printers would take. -- hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7.1 + NeXT/PGP mail + www.crl.com/~subir/ Parts that positively cannot be assembled in improper order will be.
From: *johnnyc*@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:30:31 -0300 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <*johnnyc*-1006972130320001@192.0.2.1> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5nk4dl$q7d$1@owl> In article <5nk4dl$q7d$1@owl>, Steve Dekorte <dekorte@slip.net> wrote: > In comp.sys.next.programmer Jim Gagnon <jimg@abacus.com> wrote: > > John Christie wrote: > > Interesting. The long-time NeXT guys tell me that NeXTStep has real > > issues as a server OS. Apparently, if you put more than twelve-or-so > > users on it at a time, it really bogs down. Also, there's a limit of > > 200 processes in NeXTStep, which is actually pretty low for even a > > client-side OS. To top it off, a NeXTStep system really needs the > > protection of a firewall -- security is definitely behind the levels > > defined by Solaris and AIX. > > I think your info may be based on 6-8 year old NeXT black hardware running > an equally old version of the OS. > > Steve I never wrote any of this. Please quote correctly. thankyou -- You aren't free if you CAN choose - only if you DO choose. All you are is the decisions you make. Remove "*" and ohnny (i.e. jc@) to reply via email
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From: REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:43:57 -0500 Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Message-ID: <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com>, cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) wrote: > Yeah, I'd say there are some issues for NeXTstep as a server OS _today_. > Rhapsody can be better and very likely will be. They're certainly going to try. Plans are to eventually port a server version of Rhapsody to the Apple Network Server 500 and 700 (the big AIX boxes), as well as offering server configurations in the cases that succeed the 9600/8600. -- David Gutierrez REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu Remove everything before the "drg" to send mail to me. Some junk e-mailers scan .sig files, as well as From: lines, to get addresses. "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: Photoagent@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Attention All Photographers Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 02:37:49 Organization: Internet MCI Message-ID: <5nlh01$eqc$1103@news.internetmci.com> PHOTO PHOENIX INTERNATIONAL We are an international New York based agency representing professional and amateur photographers in the following areas: Galleries, Business and Organizations, Book Publishers, Paper Products, Consumer Publication, Newspapers & Newsletters Publication, Special Interest Publication, and Trade Publication. The images we are seeking are some of the following: Animals/Architecture/Art/Automobiles/Business/Celebrities/Documentary/ Entertainment/Erotica-Nudity/Fashion/Food/Health/History/Hobbies/ Outdoors/People/Political/Portraits/Still Lifes/Religious/Science/ Sports/Travel. Whether your work portrays conservative, experimental, stylish, or innovative themes, your project proposal should be well thought out before submitting to us. For first contact, please submit a query letter, and samples of your work. Please include SASE. Do not send entire portfolio unless we ask for it. If we are not interested, you may not hear from us because of time limitations, so please submit what does not need to be returned. If we think your work is sellable we will respond as quickly as possible. Send to: Photo Phoenix International 33-29 58 Street Woodside, New York 11377 Tele: Florida Branch-(941) 642-660
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From: fischer@fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT laser printer toner cartidge? Date: 11 Jun 1997 11:39:59 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <5nm2qf$9fa@stern.fokus.gmd.de> References: <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com> Subir Grewal <hostmaster@trill-home.com> writes > I can't seem to reach peanuts.leo.org from here, so I thought I'd ask > whether anyone knew what toner cartridges NeXT laser printers would > take. EP-S cartridge is the short description. This kind is used for several printers (Apple, HP, ...) Robert -- --- - .-. -- -- --- / \ ---- Robert Fischer .-. / \ --- .-. __o .-. @ / \ / \ / \ _`\<,_ / \ GMD-Fokus / \ / \ / \ (*)/ (*) / `-------------- / `---' `-' `-----------'
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:17:05 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Message-ID: <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> In article <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu>, REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg@biomath.mdacc.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) wrote: > In article <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com>, cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) wrote: > > > Yeah, I'd say there are some issues for NeXTstep as a server OS _today_. > > Rhapsody can be better and very likely will be. > > They're certainly going to try. Plans are to eventually port a server > version of Rhapsody to the Apple Network Server 500 and 700 (the big AIX > boxes), as well as offering server configurations in the cases that > succeed the 9600/8600. I understand that Apple has a server engineering team devoted to solving the problems in NeXTStep for server use. There will be separate server and workstation versions of Rhapsody, like Windows NT. Servers are definitely one of their target markets for the initial versions of Rhapsody. For example, the server version will support spanning, striping, and mirroring file systems, and the core OS will be tuned for server use. -- John Norstad <mailto:j-norstad@nwu.edu> <http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/jln/>
From: a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeX fonts Date: 11 Jun 1997 14:40:50 GMT Organization: Vienna University, Austria Message-ID: <5nmddi$1nsa@www.univie.ac.at> I'd like to substitute the system Times/Symbol ps fonts with TeX fonts. Has anybody converted them? Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tom@icgned.nl (Tom Hageman) Subject: Re: changing the NeXT icon on the dock Message-ID: <EBM8HC.G1K@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: IC Group References: <leffert.865520500@cs.uchicago.edu> <5nbmjh$4dv$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <jbf_see_sig-ya023580000806971255020001@news.tiac.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:34:23 GMT jbf_see_sig@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) wrote: >In article <5nbmjh$4dv$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jreiss@vt.edu wrote: > >> Leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) wrote... >> >I have a system that had a builddisk from a system that had replaced the >> >NeXT icon on the Dock. I'd like to change this back. Anyone know how to >> >do it? >> >> The file you want to change is... >> /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/NeXT.tiff >> >> Replace it with a copy of the original NeXT icon, reboot, and you'll >> be set. > >There is a shareware tool on the archives that restores all the black >icons (there are about 10 scattered here and there). Something like >"BlackIcon" ... BlackIcons. And it's freeware (although I don't _object_ to monetary donations coming my way:-) It does indeed restore "black" icons, but only those that were replaced with industry-conforming pale versions in NS3.3. The NeXT icon on the dock was (thankfully) not one of these, ergo it's not restored by BlackIcons... -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: Peter.Pregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Peter Pregler) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Conversion from WriteNow 2.0 to WinWord7 Date: 11 Jun 1997 15:27:56 GMT Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria Sender: ppregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at Message-ID: <5nmg5s$2a0e@alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hallo, we have the following problem. We use WriteNow 2.0 and want to change to WinWord 7. The problem is of cause that we want to convert or files or at least have some way to convert things on demand. Principally, one can export RFT from WriteNow but that does export things in the NeXT character set so German umlaute are not exported correctly. Therefore my questions: - Has anyone seen an import-filte for WriteNow 2.0 under Word? - Is it possible to export WriteNow documents with a decent character set, Even in some form of ASCII-format? - Is WriteNow available for Windows? Greetings, Peter ------------------------------- The world, you see, is not really as corrupt as people like to believe. ------------------------------- Email: Peter.Pregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at WWW: http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/people/ppregler
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:09:43 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970611120730.24622E-100000@cc344191-a> References: <5nkpv2$e72@chronicle.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5nkpv2$e72@chronicle.concentric.net> On 11 Jun 1997, Free Cable wrote: > CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY > > Just a few inexpensive parts from Radio Shack and a little time and you can descramble every cable channel. See all your favorite movie channels,pay per view etc > > To recieve detail instructions and diagrams on how to construct your own Cable Box Descrambler > Mail $5.00 CASH MONEY ORDER CHECK > > S&G Enterprise > 12145 Augusta Woods Cir > Suite 3 > Orlando FL. 32824 > > Please be sure to include your full name & address > Allow 10 days to recieve > > Thank You > Seth Garner I encourage everyone who read the above post to: 1) forward it to 'enforcement@sec.gov' as he is either a thief (stealing cable) or a liar (who wants $$ through the USPS, something the USPS loves to stomp on). 2) mail a copy to postmaster general Orlando, FL 32824 (if you put it on a postcard I think you don't even need a stamp). And of course complain to concentric.net TjL
From: tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 11 Jun 1997 15:18:21 GMT Organization: Mechanist Industries Message-ID: <5nmfjt$9423@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> John Norstad (j-norstad@nwu.edu) wrote: : example, the server version will support spanning, striping, and mirroring You know you've been on Usenet too long when you misread the above as "...will support spamming...". -- Tom Harrington ------- tph@rmii.com ------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph "Somebody shoot me!" -Animaniacs -> Fractal Kit: http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph/fractalkit/fractal.html <-
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Conversion from WriteNow 2.0 to WinWord7 Date: 11 Jun 1997 16:49:36 GMT Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Message-ID: <5nmkv0$75m$2@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> References: <5nmg5s$2a0e@alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <5nmg5s$2a0e@alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>, Peter.Pregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Peter Pregler) writes: > - Is it possible to export WriteNow documents with a decent character > set, Even in some form of ASCII-format? If just want the text. Save it in any char format and use GNU`s recode to get all the german umlaute right. Recode knows a lot of character sets. z.B.: recode next:latin1 my_text.txt Bernhard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.unix.unixware,miscc.security,sci.eng.safety From: jackson@usenix.org (Jackson Dodd) Subject: 7th USENIX Security Symposium - Call for Papers Message-ID: <EBMDBA.4uK@usenix.org> Keywords: USENIX, conference, security Organization: USENIX Association Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:18:46 GMT 7th USENIX Security Symposium January 26-29, 1998 Marriott Hotel - San Antonio, TX If you are a security practitioner, researcher, or programmer involved in the lastest advances in security and applications of cryptography, this conference will be of interest to you. There will be refereed papers, tutorials, BoFs, invited talks, Works-in-Progress, and panel sessions. We are seeking refereed papers on topics such as: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of malicious code * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks/machines * Computer misuse and anomaly detection * Copyright protection (technical solutions) * Cryptographic & other security tools * File and file system security * Network security * New firewall technologies * Security in heterogeneous environments * Security incident investigation and response * Security of Mobile Code * User/system authentication * World Wide Web security Paper submissions are due September 9, 1997. For more detailed information: - Visit the USENIX website at: http://www.usenix.org/sec - Read comp.org.usenix - Send email to our automatic mailserver at: info@usenix.org Your message should contain the line: "send security conferences" ================================================================= The USENIX Association brings together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of computing. Its technical conferences are the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems.
From: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:23:35 +0200 Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Physik, TU Berlin Message-ID: <19970611212335461585@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Norstad <j-norstad@nwu.edu> wrote: > I understand that Apple has a server engineering team devoted to solving > the problems in NeXTStep for server use. There will be separate server and > workstation versions of Rhapsody, like Windows NT. Servers are definitely > one of their target markets for the initial versions of Rhapsody. For > example, the server version will support spanning, striping, and mirroring > file systems, and the core OS will be tuned for server use. I suscept that the "core OS" will the identical for both the "server" and "desktop" version though, won't it? -- Georg Schwarz schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de, kuroi@cs.tu-berlin.de Institut für Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130 Technische Universität Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
From: gideon@csarc.otago.ac.nz (Gideon King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to buy OmniWeb Licenses? Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:22:17 GMT Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, NZ Message-ID: <5nknj9$5qi$1@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> I am wanting to buy more OmniWeb licenses, but can't figure out how to get to the right person. I gather that lighthouse are selling the licenses, so I sent email to OmniWeb@lighthouse.com, and got back a message from supportpolicy@lighthouse.com with lots of info about bug reporting etc. I tried to look at their FAQ pages in two different ways, but never got any response. I tried to reply to supportpolicy, but that mail bounced. I can't find anything useful on their web site about anything except JavaPlan. Can someone please tell me how to buy OmniWeb licenses? Thanks. --- Gideon King | Phone +64-3-479 9017 Acting Manager | Fax +64-3-479 8529 The Black Albatross | University of Otago | Computer Science Applied | e-mail gideon@csarc.otago.ac.nz Research Centre | NeXT mail, MIME ok. PGP key available. Department of Computer Science | P.O. Box 56 | I don't have a solution Dunedin | but I admire the problem. New Zealand | WWW access: http://www.csarc.otago.ac.nz:805/
From: cejensen@bitstream.net (Christian Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT laser printer toner cartidge? Date: 12 Jun 1997 01:33:50 GMT Organization: Bitstream Underground Message-ID: <5nnjlu$qu3$1@maryj.bitstream.net> References: <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com> In-Reply-To: <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com> On 06/10/97, Subir Grewal wrote: >I can't seem to reach peanuts.leo.org from here, so I thought I'd ask >whether anyone knew what toner cartridges NeXT laser printers would >take. Straight from TJL's printer FAQ: :Toner cartridge for HP Laserjet II, IID,III, IID :HP ref : HP 92295A (that is what you will see on the box) -- ******************************** Chris Jensen cejensen@bitstream.net MIME, NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT laser printer toner cartidge? References: <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <339e4aa6.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 11 Jun 97 06:50:14 GMT In article <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com>, Subir Grewal <hostmaster@trill-home.com> wrote: >I can't seem to reach peanuts.leo.org from here, so I thought I'd ask >whether anyone knew what toner cartridges NeXT laser printers would >take. > >-- >hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7.1 + NeXT/PGP mail + www.crl.com/~subir/ >Parts that positively cannot be assembled in improper order will be. It takes a standard EPS toner cartridge (same as Apple laser writer) david --- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 12 Jun 1997 03:46:36 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <19970611212335461585@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de In <19970611212335461585@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> Georg Schwarz wrote: > John Norstad <j-norstad@nwu.edu> wrote: > > > > I understand that Apple has a server engineering team devoted to solving > > the problems in NeXTStep for server use. There will be separate server and > > workstation versions of Rhapsody, like Windows NT. Servers are definitely > > one of their target markets for the initial versions of Rhapsody. For > > example, the server version will support spanning, striping, and mirroring > > file systems, and the core OS will be tuned for server use. > > I suscept that the "core OS" will the identical for both the "server" > and "desktop" version though, won't it? > Could anyone explain why an OS optimized for use as a server would not also be optimal for a workstation? -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100, Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenXber@mhpXcc.edu <Delete the "X"s; done to stop junk e-mail> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~Xaltenber/ <Delete the "X"> =======================================================================
From: "Quang Ngo" <quang@calwest.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Install NeXTSTEP 3.3 on a Pentium 90Mhz w/o Floppy Date: 12 Jun 1997 04:42:28 GMT Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Message-ID: <01bc76ea$c1a56c80$f7663cd1@jaguar> Something went wrong with my motherboard - everything works fine except the floppy drive. The floppy drive and controller card work fine on a different system. Anyway, is it possible to install NeXTSTEP 3.3 without a floppy drive? The image files (boot and drivers) are on www.next.com. But looks like they're no help without a floppy drive. Any ideas? -Quang
From: jon@haveman.org (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 12 Jun 1997 04:41:38 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5nnum2$h9j@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> L e e Altenberg writes > Could anyone explain why an OS optimized for use as a server would not > also be optimal for a workstation? I'm guessing that the world would be a better place if everybody had server-quality versions on their desk, but that Apple's profits will be higher because of their ability to price discriminate between those willing to pay more significant sums for the added ability and those not. That is, charging a higher price for ther server version and a lower price for the Joe-blow version makes them mo-money. -- Jon Haveman
From: 38433@ix93384.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Product Annoucement Date: 12 Jun 1997 07:10:05 GMT Organization: Internet Relay Message-ID: <5no7cd$olp$70@nw001.infi.net> Hey, just thought i'd share with everyone, I found a site with loads of nude CHEERLEADERs. The address is: http://www.mid-night.com/cheer.htm --Jason-- (Sorry for the intrusion, everyone needs some short skirts in their life) P.S. They also have a few thounsand celebrities but im not into that.
From: 38433@ix93384.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 Jun 1997 07:10:05 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.5no7cd$olp$70@nw001.infi.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <5no7cd$olp$70@nw001.infi.net> Control: cancel <5no7cd$olp$70@nw001.infi.net> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr. It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Thu Jun 12 13:34:13 1997 Original subject was: Product Annoucement
From: Andrew Tomazos <andrew@stairways.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Mail.app] How do you append a signature Date: 12 Jun 1997 08:51:47 GMT Organization: Stairways Software Message-ID: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> How do you set-up your signature when sending e-mail from Mail.app? I am running OpenStep 4.2 Andrew. -- ________________________________ Andrew Tomazos PLG Mac Programmer (PowerPlant) Stairways Software <http://www.stairways.com/> <mailto:andrew@stairways.com.au> <phone:+61-411-310-989>
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to buy OmniWeb Licenses? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:02:35 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970612090008.4915B-100000@cc344191-a> References: <5nknj9$5qi$1@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Gideon King <gideon@csarc.otago.ac.nz> cc: kc@omnigroup.com In-Reply-To: <5nknj9$5qi$1@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> On 10 Jun 1997, Gideon King wrote: > Can someone please tell me how to buy OmniWeb licenses? Unfortunately, it is one of the larger mysteries of life at the moment.... if anyone knows it would be someone @omnigroup.com... I've CC'd this message to Ken Case, who will no doubt be more helpful than Lighthouse's JavaPage TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html sed 's/End\ of\ sig/pithy\ quotation/g'
From: Evan M Benoit <benoit+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Network processes when logged out Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:34:46 -0400 Organization: Sophomore, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cnc0Y6K00iVC02mMw0@andrew.cmu.edu> Hey Everyone, I've run into a snag trying to get this network monitoring application to work on a NeXT box. The application is called Big Brother, and what it does is check the disk space and processes running on the machine it runs on (a NeXT box) and send the results over the network to the server (some unix box). It sends updated information every 5 minutes. My problem is, when I'm logged into the NeXT box it works fine, but when I log out, it stops updating its stats on the server. The process is still running on the client, though. When I log back into the NeXT box, it resumes updating, like nothing had happened. It's weird, and it hasn't happened on any other OS's I've ran this thing on. Can anyone out there give me a hand? Is there some interuption of network functions when the user logs out? Any way to work around that? Any wild guesses? Thanks a lot! -ev ---EVAN BENOIT--- loved by good feared by evil
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:21:44 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-1206971121440001@199.166.204.230> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <5nmfjt$9423@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> In article <5nmfjt$9423@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com>, tph@rmi.net wrote: > John Norstad (j-norstad@nwu.edu) wrote: > : example, the server version will support spanning, striping, and mirroring This is interesting (sorry about the reply to the reply guys). Does anyone know how this is being offered? AIX's drive management system perhaps (it's very good), Veritas maybe? Maury
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 12 Jun 1997 17:14:30 GMT Organization: WolfWare Message-ID: <5npapm$k9j$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <5nmfjt$9423@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <maury-1206971121440001@199.166.204.230> In-Reply-To: <maury-1206971121440001@199.166.204.230> On 06/12/97, Maury Markowitz wrote: >In article <5nmfjt$9423@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com>, tph@rmi.net wrote: > >> John Norstad (j-norstad@nwu.edu) wrote: >> : example, the server version will support spanning, striping, and mirroring > > This is interesting (sorry about the reply to the reply guys). Does >anyone know how this is being offered? AIX's drive management system >perhaps (it's very good), Veritas maybe? > >Maury I don't think anyone knows yet (even at Apple). At WWDC these were listed as features that they thought were important for the server version but they emphasized that they had not yet begun even looking at how they were actually going to be implemented. - Chris -- _______________________________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf -- WolfWare -- NeXTSTEP/OpenStep/Rhapsody Developer For info about NewsFlash the lightning fast NeXTSTEP news-reader visit our newly revised web site at: http://www.wolfware.com _______________________________________________________________________
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Mail.app] How do you append a signature Date: 12 Jun 1997 20:01:02 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5npkhu$ajb$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> On 06/12/97, Andrew Tomazos wrote: >How do you set-up your signature when sending e-mail from Mail.app? > >I am running OpenStep 4.2 > You want to grab a copy of the EnhanceMail bundle from ftp.next.peak.org It's a plug-in for Mail.app that adds that feature and a whole lot more.. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: quinlan@intergate.bc.ca (Brian Quinlan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:43:17 -0700 Organization: Internet Gateway Corporation Message-ID: <quinlan-1206971443170001@pm14s11.intergate.bc.ca> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <19970611212335461585@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> In article <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu>, decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) wrote: > Could anyone explain why an OS optimized for use as a server would not > also be optimal for a workstation? The schedualer might need to be different to give priority to interactive processes. Server processes tend to block on IO frequently but a lot of GUI applications do not. Probably other stuff. -- Brian Quinlan quinlan@intergate.bc.ca
From: dnelson@slip.net (Dru Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 Jun 1997 23:41:19 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5nq1ev$c85$1@owl> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <5nmfjt$9423@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <maury-1206971121440001@199.166.204.230> IBM doesn't use veritas, and yes it is good. sun is going to use veritas, but who knows what NeXT will use.... Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: > This is interesting (sorry about the reply to the reply guys). Does > anyone know how this is being offered? AIX's drive management system > perhaps (it's very good), Veritas maybe? > Maury
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: Don McGregor <mcgredo@NOSPAM.stl.nps.navy.mil> Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <33A0D544.58CB@NOSPAM.stl.nps.navy.mil> Sender: news@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Naval Postgraduate School References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <19970611212335461585@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <quinlan-1206971443170001@pm14s11.intergate.bc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:06:12 GMT Brian Quinlan wrote: > > In article <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu>, decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net > (L e e Altenberg) wrote: > > > Could anyone explain why an OS optimized for use as a server would not > > also be optimal for a workstation? > > The schedualer might need to be different to give priority to interactive > processes. Server processes tend to block on IO frequently but a lot of > GUI applications do not. Probably other stuff. In most flavors of Unix there are a bunch of tables in the kernel for things like process table slots and filesystem buffers. The tables are constant size; you can set them small at boot time, and take up less memory, or set them big, so they can handle anything you throw at them, but also suck up memory. What a "reasonable" table size is differs for personal workstations and servers, since they have vastly different usage profiles. A workstation usually won't be serving up some high-traffic NFS mounts or dealing with a big news feed, so configuring a workstation as if it will handle these tasks is a waste of hardware. Usually it's no big deal to change the kernel parameters; many unices have kernel directories that let users recompile and relink the kernel with modified parameters. Mach isn't quite Unix, but I presume the ideas are the same. Microsoft famously ships NT "Workstation" and NT "Server", the difference in the kernels consisting only of a couple modifications to kernel tuning parameters and several hundred dollars in retail price. With a little smoke and mirrors (aka "market segementation"), Microsoft is able to add a few megabucks to Bill's bank account. -- Don McGregor mcgredo@stl.nps.navy.mil http://www.stl.nps.navy.mil/~mcgredo
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From: Andrew Tomazos <andrew@stairways.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Mail.app] How do you check your mail with telnet. Date: 13 Jun 1997 07:53:32 GMT Organization: Stairways Software Message-ID: <5nqu9s$71b$1@opera.iinet.net.au> References: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> <5npkhu$ajb$1@news.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: >On 06/12/97, Andrew Tomazos wrote: >>How do you set-up your signature when sending e-mail from Mail.app? >> >>I am running OpenStep 4.2 >> > You want to grab a copy of the EnhanceMail bundle from >ftp.next.peak.org Thanks, done that. Is there anyway to check my mail remotely in a telnet session? (ie check the same Active.mbox as Mail.app uses) ...with a program like pine or elm? Will the read/unread/deleted status of various pieces of mail be shared between Mail.app and the shell application? Andrew. _______________________________________________________ Andrew Tomazos PLG <mailto:andrew@stairways.com.au> Mac Programmer (PowerPlant) <phone:+61-411-310-989> Stairways Software Pty Ltd <http://www.stairways.com/> "Resistance is not futile."
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: 3.3 or 4.x? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:34:35 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-1306970234350001@ss7-16.inre.asu.edu> Apologies for the newbie question: I'm planning to get a mono turbo slab, and I'll be using it for some light web/ftp serving, print serving (to a small Mac network), and hopefully for developing. But I'm wondering: What version of NS should I get? What are the differences between 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, (which I guess is the minimum I should get) and 4.x? Rhapsody is supposed to be a superset of NS, so I can develop now on black hardware and recompiling will be all that's necessary, right? Will stuff I develop in 3.3 carry over, or would I have to have 4.x? I've been looking through the www resources for OS version comparisons, but haven't found anything. If someone could point me to a resource with the answer, or just tell me, I'd appreciate it. Oh yeah, and cost is a factor. If you have NS Developer (or even User) to sell, I'll consider buying it. thanks john -- --- - ------- ------- The real in us is silent; the acquired is talkative. - Kahlil Gibran jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill@bofh.int> Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.music.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,fj.misc,fj.news.group.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <33A0EEB5.3754@fsu.edu> Control: cancel <33A0EEB5.3754@fsu.edu> Date: 13 Jun 1997 13:24:21 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.33A0EEB5.3754@fsu.edu> Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Article cancelled as EMP. A report will be published shortly on news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
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From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Conversion from WriteNow 2.0 to WinWord7 Followup-To: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Date: 13 Jun 1997 14:45:54 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5nrmf2$9o2$2@news.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5nmg5s$2a0e@alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> Peter Pregler (Peter.Pregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at) wrote: > we have the following problem. We use WriteNow 2.0 and want to change > to WinWord 7. The problem is of cause that we want to convert or files > or at least have some way to convert things on demand. Principally, > one can export RFT from WriteNow but that does export things in the > NeXT character set so German umlaute are not exported correctly. Why anybody would want to move to WinWord 7 is beyond me.. However, there's a simple fix to your problem. Store to RTF and run the RTF file through the following Perl script: #!/usr/local/bin/perl -p s/\331/\344/g; s/\366/\374/g; s/\360/\366/g; s/\205/\304/g; s/\226/\326/g; s/\232/\334/g; s/\373/\337/g; You could also use the Gnu "recode" program. Again, my humble advice is to avoid WinWord if at all possible. While other Microsoft products exist that are quite usable, WinWord can be a real PIA for editing anything beyond a short 4 page letter. Your mileage may vary. Regards, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
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From: John Eric Ivancich <ivancich@quip.eecs.umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 13 Jun 1997 13:00:04 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan EECS Department Message-ID: <yvx2066h20b.fsf@quip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <*jc-2305972243290001@192.0.2.1> <338DB457.2579@abacus.com> <5ndo6o$d4n@slip.net> <cdoutyEBJpJs.64@netcom.com> <REMOVE.TO.REPLY.drg-1006972343570001@bmrip01.mdacc.tmc.edu> <j-norstad-1106970817050001@legume186154.nuts.nwu.edu> <19970611212335461585@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de> <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <quinlan-1206971443170001@pm14s11.intergate.bc.ca> <33A0D544.58CB@NOSPAM.stl.nps.navy.mil> Don McGregor <mcgredo@NOSPAM.stl.nps.navy.mil> writes: > In most flavors of Unix there are a bunch of tables in the kernel > for things like process table slots and filesystem buffers. The > tables are constant size; you can set them small at boot time, and > take up less memory, or set them big, so they can handle anything you > throw at them, but also suck up memory. What a "reasonable" table size > is differs for personal workstations and servers, since they have > vastly different usage profiles. A workstation usually won't be > serving up some high-traffic NFS mounts or dealing with a big > news feed, so configuring a workstation as if it will handle > these tasks is a waste of hardware. > > Usually it's no big deal to change > the kernel parameters; many unices have kernel directories that let > users > recompile and relink the kernel with modified parameters. What about an adaptive scheme? As the OS runs, the kernel makes note of the typical useage of various tables (e.g., on average the process table is 30% full), along with maximum usage, minimum usage etc. The kernel then figures out a good size for these tables to take effect on the next boot. Obviously if this were done, the tables would have to be allocated dynamically at boot to circumvent the need for a recompile/relink. Eric P.S. I hate spam.
From: Subir Grewal <hostmaster@trill-home.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT laser printer toner cartidge? Date: 13 Jun 1997 19:17:42 GMT Organization: Trill host selection council Message-ID: <5ns6cm$lvi$1@nnrp1.crl.com> References: <5nkome$6ca$1@nnrp1.crl.com> <5nnjlu$qu3$1@maryj.bitstream.net> Thanks to everybody, I bought an HP95A and it works fine. -- hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7.1 + NeXT/PGP mail + www.crl.com/~subir/ If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Mail.app] How do you check your mail with telnet. Date: 13 Jun 1997 19:27:53 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5ns6vp$94n$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> <5npkhu$ajb$1@news.digifix.com> <5nqu9s$71b$1@opera.iinet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <5nqu9s$71b$1@opera.iinet.net.au> On 06/12/97, Andrew Tomazos wrote: >sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: >>On 06/12/97, Andrew Tomazos wrote: >>>How do you set-up your signature when sending e-mail from Mail.app? >>> >>>I am running OpenStep 4.2 >>> >> You want to grab a copy of the EnhanceMail bundle from >>ftp.next.peak.org > >Thanks, done that. > > >Is there anyway to check my mail remotely in a telnet session? (ie check the >same Active.mbox as Mail.app uses) ...with a program like pine or elm? Will >the read/unread/deleted status of various pieces of mail be shared between >Mail.app and the shell application? > If you aren't logged in to the Workspace on that machine your email gets left in the spool directory, and isn't moved to Active.mbox. In this case you can use your conventional mail reader to access it. At one time there was a Text only version of mail.app... I have no idea where it has gotten to though. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <5ns28e$88n$2@bashir.peak.org> Control: cancel <5ns28e$88n$2@bashir.peak.org> Date: 13 Jun 1997 18:11:33 GMT Organization: Public Electronic Access to Knowlege,Inc Message-ID: <5ns2gl$88n$3@bashir.peak.org>
From: spammers@ruin.the.internet.channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: resolv.conf again? Date: 14 Jun 1997 02:23:36 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <5nsvb8$37h$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970609221342.9152A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: kaczorek@students.uiuc.edu In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970609221342.9152A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> andrew david kaczorek wrote: > I'm also having a problem guess-configuring my NextStation. I've got two > machines on this network as a test...oldtimer.morris.net (486 running > linux) and badboy.morris.net (running ns 3.2). I'm trying to get the > next to work right. > > As of now, the next will work if i type "ping oldtimer" or "ping badboy" > or even "ping localhost". But if i type "ping badboy.morris.net" it will > not work. I have the following line in my resolv.conf > > domain morris.net > > my hostconfig file calls the next "badboy" and gives it ip addres > 150.150.150.2 wheras "oldtimer" is 150.150.150.1. > > I also added badboy and oldtimer in the netinfo using hostmanager. i am > completely ignorant about how the UNIX and GUI work together/against each > other in this situation. I have no books....no man pages....no more ideas. > > So I'd really be floored if I could get help about this. Please respond > via email as well since I cannot check this grroup frequently. thanks. > > andrew > I would say that if you have even the remotest interest in learning about networking that you obtain the latest O"Reilly DNS book. It is an excellent resource and will answer all your questions. What you have to decide is whether your going to run your own dns (named) server or not. If you choose to do so you'll have to decide which box(s?) to run it on. If you choose not to use dns then each machine will have to have all host information in /etc/hosts on each platform & resolv.conf should look something like hostresorder local domain morris.net Randy rencsok at channelu dot com
From: nurban@sps1.phys.vt.edu (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Mail.app] How do you check your mail with telnet. Date: 13 Jun 1997 22:40:03 -0400 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5nt0a3$gnr@sps1.phys.vt.edu> References: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> <5npkhu$ajb$1@news.digifix.com> <5nqu9s$71b$1@opera.iinet.net.au> <5ns6vp$94n$1@news.digifix.com> In article <5ns6vp$94n$1@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > >Is there anyway to check my mail remotely in a telnet session? (ie > check the same Active.mbox as Mail.app uses) Somewhat related question.. I'm using elm to read my my remotely, by opening Active.mbox/mbox and such as a folder. I'd like to have the ability, though, to delete things from a folder _while_ Mail.app is running. This introduces file locking issues and would require the table of contents to somehow be rebuild? Can I use those mailapp utilities I remember seeing announced? (Actually, even more than being able to delete messages, I'd like to have elm save outgoing mail in Mail.app's Outgoing.mbox, preferably while Mail.app is running.)
From: skwong@mae.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai-kee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is the U-SCSI, SCSI-3 HD compatible in Black NeXTcube turbo ? Date: 14 Jun 1997 10:13:37 GMT Organization: Engineering Faculty CUHK Message-ID: <5ntqsh$crp@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.edu.hk> My Fujitsu 1GB HD was damaged (it hang me around for over 1 yr). I sourced some drives in HK: Quantum TM3200S Fireball Series Ultra SCSI 3.2GB US$327 Segate ST-52160N Medalist Series U-SCSI 2.1GB US$248 Segate ST-51080N Medalist Series SCSI-2 1GB US$200 I found there are many terms like Ultra-Wide SCSI, SCSI-3, ... Are the new technologies compatible with NeXTcube ? It seems the Segate 2.1GB is far cost effective than the 1GB but does it work with the NeXT ? Thanks in advance. Mr.Sai-Kee Wong
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: 3.3 or 4.x? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EBqGCo.IHH@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:14:48 GMT References: <jak-1306970234350001@ss7-16.inre.asu.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <jak-1306970234350001@ss7-16.inre.asu.edu>, John Kestner <jak@asu.edu> wrote: > >But I'm wondering: What version of NS should I get? What are the >differences between 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, (which I guess is the minimum I >should get) and 4.x? 3.2 is the bare minimum you should get, with 3.3 perferable. 4.x (4.2 preferably) should be OK on a Turbo machine as long as you put 64MB or more RAM in it. >Rhapsody is supposed to be a superset of NS, so I can develop now on black >hardware and recompiling will be all that's necessary, right? Will stuff I >develop in 3.3 carry over, or would I have to have 4.x? > Well, it's hard to say exactly what will be required in addition to a recompile. But, at a minimum, your code must be OPENSTEP-based, not NeXTSTEP-based. In that case 4.x is the only way to go. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Tony Scott<summer@laoffices.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Distributors Wanted NOW!! Date: 14 Jun 1997 15:07:01 GMT Organization: World Wide Pants Promotion Message-ID: <5nuc2l$84p$7661@cadmium.aware.nl> Hi, This is a Solicitation Email, we are looking for new TUFF'97 DISTRIBUTORS. TUFF'97 is a promotional concept for a prospect follow-up system called "Simple Track". Software designed for Windows 95, 3.11 and NT machines. (Macintosh users read the NOTE below(*)) Concept: The TUFF'97 software includes a copy of Simple Track, so you can use this for your own personal administration (free). However, the TUFF'97 software is designed to give you BIG TIME credits for just taking the efforts to PROMOTE it. How do I get those credits?. Easy, just distribute/promote it. How? (Give away the software for free, put it on your website/homepage and let everyone download it. Give it to your friends, attach it by email etc). With a one time $40.00 (USD) validation code purchase, YOUR name becomes part of all sofware you sent out to your customers. When your TUFF'97 software gets validated, all your personal information is automatically integrated in the software, so everyone knows how to reach you by phone/fax or email and where to sent the check/money or cash orders. Basically this is the concept. Offcourse you need the software to grasp the whole thing. Believe it, there is absolutely no marketing knowledge required, just ask for the software package, join and start promoting your own TUFF'97 line. The only thing you DO need is a PC or Mac(*) and Internet. (*) TUFF'97 is only available for MacOS users running Connectix VirtualPC or Insignia's Sofwindows 95/3.11. A true MacOS version is not available. When you're interested in becoming a TUFF'97 distributor and create your own distribution line, sent a mailto:FiReStArTeR@frodo.com and ask for your copy of the TUFF software (We'll sent you a download location and install instructions). This is a serious opportunity, so only serious responses are processed. If you're not interested, have a nice day. Best Regards, Tony Scott Worldwide Pants Promotions 24H Support/Download requests, mailto:FiReStArTeR@frodo.com voice:(+01)779 698 4655 Fax :(+01)779 698 4555
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From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5nuc2l$84p$7661@cadmium.aware.nl> Date: 14 Jun 1997 17:40:05 GMT Control: cancel <5nuc2l$84p$7661@cadmium.aware.nl> Message-ID: <cancel.5nuc2l$84p$7661@cadmium.aware.nl> Sender: Tony Scott<summer@laoffices.com> Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970614.03. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970614.03.html for complete report. Original Subject: Distributors Wanted NOW!!
From: gregor@crosslink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Zip acting mighty peculiar Date: 13 Jun 1997 03:19:45 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Message-ID: <5nqe8h$jjj$1@kronos.crosslink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone had good luck with using a Zip drive on a slab? I hooked my new one up, and (maybe coincidentally) trashed a hard drive at the end of the boot up process. Also, I copied a couple of progams to the Zip, and when I double clicked the prog an the Zip drive, instead of the program icon, there was an icon of the NeXT monitor with a big 'ol question mark in the middle of it. To complicate matters, I booted up into Mc mode via Daydream, and the strangeness continues. I'm rather skeptical of this thing, maybe because of the Mac type 50 pin connectors and the "internal termination" on the box. Anyone have any thoughts on this device? Regards Greg
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <14012865742421@digifix.com> Date: 15 Jun 1997 03:57:19 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <3108866347221@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: beatty@netcom.com (Derek Lee Beatty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody features? Date: 14 Jun 1997 04:40:16 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <5nt7bh$9q0@beatty.slip.netcom.com> References: <5lvn4l$tje@src-news.pa.dec.com> <3385FA0F.5439@abacus.com> <5nnres$390$2@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) wrote: >Could anyone explain why an OS optimized for use as a server would not >also be optimal for a workstation? To be concise but rather general: - On a workstation, you want to respond to the user with low latency. - On a server, you want to maximize overall throughput. -- Derek Lee Beatty _ Death beatty@netcom.com _| ~-, Taxes Austin, Texas \, * } C++ \_(
From: Frederic SAVOIR <fsavoir@dial.oleane.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: My original Openstep Device Drivers Disk Prerelease 4.2 is dead ! Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:20:05 +0200 Organization: Guest of OLEANE - PIPEX International Message-ID: <33A3B3C5.FE84924F@dial.oleane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I received my Openstep for Mach (Intel) 4.2 prerelease 2 (Prelude to Rhapsody) but my second floppy disk is dead which is the Openstep device drivers disk prerelease 2.... Thus I can't install the software... If some got the same disk and could send it to me by Email (in raw format) or if someone knows where to get it.. please let me know because I would like to install it as soon as possible. Sincerely, Fred -- Email: Frederic SAVOIR <fsavoir@dialup.fdn.fr>
From: bucho@bellatlantic.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mo Cheerleaders Date: 15 Jun 1997 08:58:36 GMT Organization: Liv Net Message-ID: <5o0ars$go1$151@nw001.infi.net> Hey, just thought i'd share with everyone, I found a site with loads of nude CHEERLEADERs. The address is: http://www.mid-night.com --Jason-- (Sorry for the intrusion, everyone needs some short skirts in their life) P.S. They also a have spanish / latina women archive
From: bucho@bellatlantic.net Organization: Liv Net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5o0ars$go1$151@nw001.infi.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5o0ars$go1$151@nw001.infi.net> Control: cancel <5o0ars$go1$151@nw001.infi.net> References: <5o0ars$go1$151@nw001.infi.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:04:12 +1 EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "www.mid-night.com" or "summary of auto-cancellations" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: Mo Cheerleaders.
From: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Mail.app] How do you check your mail with telnet. Date: 15 Jun 1997 17:23:08 GMT Organization: The PEAK FTP Archive for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Message-ID: <5o18ds$68v$5@bashir.peak.org> References: <5nodb3$2d$6@opera.iinet.net.au> <5npkhu$ajb$1@news.digifix.com> <5nqu9s$71b$1@opera.iinet.net.au> <5ns6vp$94n$1@news.digifix.com> <5nt0a3$gnr@sps1.phys.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: nurban@sps1.phys.vt.edu In <5nt0a3$gnr@sps1.phys.vt.edu> Nathan Urban wrote: > In article <5ns6vp$94n$1@news.digifix.com>, sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > > > >Is there anyway to check my mail remotely in a telnet session? (ie > > check the same Active.mbox as Mail.app uses) > > Somewhat related question.. I'm using elm to read my my remotely, > by opening Active.mbox/mbox and such as a folder. I'd like to have > the ability, though, to delete things from a folder _while_ Mail.app is > running. This introduces file locking issues and would require the table > of contents to somehow be rebuild? Can I use those mailapp utilities > I remember seeing announced? (Actually, even more than being able to > delete messages, I'd like to have elm save outgoing mail in Mail.app's > Outgoing.mbox, preferably while Mail.app is running.) While Mail.app is running is open is OK, but while Active.mbox is not so OK. The problem is that when you get back to Mail.app, the copy of Active.mbox will be outdated. You might try to save or delete a message and find it isn't really there. There is NO good way to do this without using Mail.app itself. If you want, you can close Mail.app from the commandline: kill -QUIT `/bin/ps -auxww| fgrep 'Mail.app/Mail' |\ grep -v grep|awk '{print $2}'` If you delete a message, you should remove the table_of_contents file TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html sed 's/End\ of\ sig/pithy\ quotation/g'
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (younghoon KIL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A board written in Korean Date: 15 Jun 1997 23:14:07 GMT Organization: ppai News Message-ID: <5o1svv$msp$1@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/ http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/qa You can get all info written in Korean about NEXTSTEP. - NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody, Korean Languge Kit. - Graphics: solidThingking, TIFFany, Creat, SuperDraw, Virtuoso, OneVision... - Internet: Omniweb, Gatekeeper, PPP 2.3, HNNews, RadicalNews... - Business, Commuications, Tools, Network, Utilities, Music, Mathematics...etc. Also You can use more than 3,000 pages which written in Korean about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP. Thanks, younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP Q&A board written in Korean)
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Zip acting mighty peculiar Date: 16 Jun 1997 03:04:51 GMT Message-ID: <19970616030400.XAA27380@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <5nqe8h$jjj$1@kronos.crosslink.net> I've had good luck with mine, check out my web page, http://members.aol.com/willadams for a link to the unofficial Zip/NeXT FAQ page (by Radical Solutions)--I suspect your difficulty is with the termination--I have to turn termination on on my floppy drive, (the next to the last device on the chain--the Zip's the last) to make things work. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Need alpha testers for simple DNS helper app Date: 16 Jun 1997 10:30:53 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <5o34kt$3no$2@gaea.omnigroup.com> I've whipped up a small OPENSTEP app for setting a system's domain name DNS servers, since the configuration apps that come with OPENSTEP don't provide a nice way of doing this. It's an OPENSTEP-only application (and has only been tested on OPENSTEP 4.2pr2). I'm hoping that I can get several alpha testers in the next couple of days so that I can make sure I didn't do anything stupid, after which time I'll make it publically available (including source). Preliminary guess at an open beta release is late this week. Potential alpha testers should be people who deal with /etc/resolv.conf or who set these values via NetInfoManager - typically, people using PPP or people with a lone OPENSTEP box on a non-NetInfo network. You should have some familiarity with what should be happening, so you can confirm whether or not things work as you would expect them to. Also, there's a help document that goes with this app - I'd like people to read over it and make sure that what I wrote 1) makes sense, 2) is correct, 3) doesn't leave gaping holes or lead anyone to screw up their machine. If you fit this profile and are willing to help please send me email. I plan on making this available to alpha testers sometime Monday afternoon. Also, if you are available and potentially willing to localize this app (for free), please note that fact - this app is targeted at new OPENSTEP users (especially the current flood from the Macintosh market), and I'd like the app to be as friendly as possible to other languages. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Zip acting mighty peculiar Date: 15 Jun 1997 00:42:29 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5nvdpl$g3i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <5nqe8h$jjj$1@kronos.crosslink.net> hmmmm no problem with mine.. not a hickcup on any of my NeXT machines.. only problem I see is with NS3.2 machines but it works fine with 3.3 (can't read Mac/ Windowsformatted Zips on 3.2) don't know why.. once upgraded everything is dandy. Godwin gregor@crosslink.net wrote: : Has anyone had good luck with using a Zip drive on a slab? I hooked my new : one up, and (maybe coincidentally) trashed a hard drive at the end of the : boot up process. Also, I copied a couple of progams to the Zip, and when I : double clicked the prog an the Zip drive, instead of the program icon, there : was an icon of the NeXT monitor with a big 'ol question mark in the middle of : it. To complicate matters, I booted up into Mc mode via Daydream, and the : strangeness continues. : I'm rather skeptical of this thing, maybe because of the Mac type 50 pin : connectors and the "internal termination" on the box. Anyone have any : thoughts on this device? : Regards : Greg
From: flickx@mindspring.com (Andre ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next,misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any of you Professional Next users Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:11:43 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <5o4kke$emu@camel12.mindspring.com> Hi to all the pro readers of this News Group. I just got a NeXT slab and I am a "Green-Thumb" a "Newbie" and totally lost. I connected an external 3X NEC SCSI cd-rom to the unit, inserted a disc and wazza it read it, but when I opened the cover (it's manual) and inserted another, I'm still left with the contents of the first. I guess I should shut down (eject equivilence) before I opened the cover but as I said I'm new and don't really know my way around this OS. Is there a book I can buy that can assist me? On another note, the folppy has a disk stuck in it and I don't know how to eject it. I tried the little hole that I suspect is for manual ejecting but I didn't respond. I fear tha I may need another floppy drive. Whare can I get one at a fair price? Thanks in advance to anyone who can assist me in these matters.
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next,misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any of you Professional Next users Date: 17 Jun 1997 03:03:16 GMT Organization: Dental Records (R) Message-ID: <5o4upk$gtf@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <5o4kke$emu@camel12.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: flickx@mindspring.com In <5o4kke$emu@camel12.mindspring.com> Andre wrote: > Hi to all the pro readers of this News Group. > I just got a NeXT slab and I am a "Green-Thumb" a "Newbie" and totally > lost. > I connected an external 3X NEC SCSI cd-rom to the unit, inserted a > disc and wazza it read it, but when I opened the cover (it's manual) > and inserted another, I'm still left with the contents of the first. NeXT mounts the CD-ROM like a Mac, and like a Mac, you need to go to the menu item for disks and hit eject to pop it out when you're done. you may be fortunate enough to get rid of the errant floppy as well. > I guess I should shut down (eject equivilence) before I opened the cover > but as I said I'm new and don't really know my way around this OS. I hope you don't mean shut down as in reboot? that's a PC-ism not used in NeXT-ville. We _never_ shut down. ;-) > Is there a book I can buy that can assist me? check and see if the on-line docs are there in NextLibrary and make yourself a tall cool one; read and marvel at the fine, clear display you've got there. otherwise, there are many books; try to find "The Comlplete Guide To The NEXTSTEP User Envirnment" by Michael Shebanek, 1993 ISBN 0-387-97956-5, or NeXT's own user guide. check comp.sys.next.announce weekly post of NeXTSTEP resources. > On another note, the folppy has a disk stuck in it and I don't know > how to eject it. I tried the little hole that I suspect is for manual > ejecting but I didn't respond. "just like a Mac" (Apple's new slogan for Rhapsody?) floppies that get confused need a quick poke with a paper clip or similar. if that doesn't work, see if the floppy is recognized by the system. is it on the shelf? is it mounted under the root folder? if not and you're feeling brave, try this: logged in as root, or su'd in termainal.app from root folder: / type this: disk -e /dev/rfd1a display should show something along these lines: localhost:7# disk -e /dev/rfd1a disk name: Sony MPX-111N 2880 disk type: removable_rw_floppy localhost:8# > I fear that I may need another floppy drive. Whare can I get one at a > fair price? check around for a sonyED floppy drive, model id similar to above, but better to use comp.sys.next.marketplace or the various NeXT resellers > Thanks in advance to anyone who can assist me in these matters. > > good luck -- Rick Sanford Dental Records(R) dental@precipice.com NeXTMAIL welcome http://www.dentalrecords.com
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Question about OPENSTEP Runtime Date: 17 Jun 1997 08:54:16 GMT Message-ID: <3253010398.30081031@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA On the Prelude to Rhapsody CD, there is a package called "OPENSTEP deployement". It contains 40 Mo of sofware including some BSD Unix commands, a Bourne shell. After installing it, Windows 95 launch the Window Server and the NetName Server process (plus 2 other processes) at boot time which take half a minute at least (and some Mo of RAM). An OpenStep application rely on these processes to handle its user interface. If the runtime is the actual "OPENSTEP deployement" package, this means that an OpenStep application will heavily load the system on which it runs. Will the runtime be the same thing of this actual deployement package or will only be a set of DLL with low impact on disk and memory space. Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net (P.J.L.van Emmerik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Year 2000 problems on NEXT? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:27:29 GMT Organization: NLnet Message-ID: <5o5ho9$9nt$1@news.NL.net> Are there any known difficulties after the year 2000 when using NEXT-OS? P.J.L. van Emmerik Holec Projects B.V. Email: emmerik@hpb.holec-projects.nl PO.BOX 565, 7550 AN Hengelo pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net The Netherlands Phone: +31 74 2558 688 --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kjb@uts.amdahl.com (Kevin Barth) Subject: Re: Any of you Professional Next users Message-ID: <EBx2Cy.IKC@ccc.amdahl.com> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com (Usenet Administration) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA USA References: <5o4kke$emu@camel12.mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:55:46 GMT In article <5o4kke$emu@camel12.mindspring.com> flickx@mindspring.com (Andre ) writes: > Hi to all the pro readers of this News Group. > I just got a NeXT slab and I am a "Green-Thumb" a "Newbie" and totally > lost. > I connected an external 3X NEC SCSI cd-rom to the unit, inserted a > disc and wazza it read it, but when I opened the cover (it's manual) > and inserted another, I'm still left with the contents of the first. I > guess I should shut down (eject equivilence) before I opened the cover > but as I said I'm new and don't really know my way around this OS. Select the CDROM drive icon in a FileViewer and use the Disk->Eject (cmd-e) command to tell NEXSTEP to eject the drive (this opoeration alos unmounts -- rather important to UNIXens). Then you can put in the next CDROM (as you have already seen, NEXTSTEPs automounter automatically mounts it for you). > Is there a book I can buy that can assist me? > On another note, the folppy has a disk stuck in it and I don't know > how to eject it. I tried the little hole that I suspect is for manual > ejecting but I didn't respond. Is there a filesystem on the diskette? (does it show up in a WorkSpace FileViewer?) If not, you eject disks via the 'disk' command: /usr/etc/disk -e /dev/rfd0a If it is mounted, you *really* should unmount it first! If you don't, WorkSpace gets very confused AND you will have to fsck the diskette in order to use it again. The best way to eject removeable media (CDROMs, diskettes, flopticals, etc.) that has mounted filesystems on your system, is to highlight the device in a FileViewer and use the cmd-e command, which BTW, unmounts the filesystem BEFORE it ejects it. > I fear tha I may need another floppy drive. Whare can I get one at a > fair price? It is slightly likely that cmd-e will not actually eject the CDROM from the drive, if the CDROM is one that does not accept the eject command from WorkSpace. In cases like that, do cmd-e FIRST, then manually eject the CDROM as you had before. > Thanks in advance to anyone who can assist me in these matters. -- Regards, Kevin Barth (kjb@amdahl.com) phone: +44-1252-346307 Open Systems Staff Support fax: +44-1252-346406 Amdahl Corporation
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any of you Professional Next users Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:04:06 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970617095412.5497J-100000@cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Andre <flickx@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <5o4kke$emu@camel12.mindspring.com> On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Andre wrote: > Hi to all the pro readers of this News Group. A professional reader? Now that would be a good job! > I connected an external 3X NEC SCSI cd-rom to the unit, inserted a > disc and wazza it read it, but when I opened the cover (it's manual) > and inserted another, I'm still left with the contents of the first. I > guess I should shut down (eject equivilence) before I opened the cover > but as I said I'm new and don't really know my way around this OS. With the disk still inserted, goto the File Viewer (the screen that appears when you first login). Select the CD (ie click on it once with the mouse) and then hold down the command key and press 'e' and then release the command-key and the 'e' key. I believe there is a menu item for this something like 'disk' and then 'eject' > Is there a book I can buy that can assist me? Not really... but the newsgroups are interactive and relatively free... > On another note, the folppy has a disk stuck in it and I don't know > how to eject it. I tried the little hole that I suspect is for manual > ejecting but I didn't respond. Try the same procesdure for the CD-ROM, just with the floppy instead. Select the floppy and then do 'eject'. IF that doesn't work: Logout. Press the 'power' key, confirm the shutdown. Remove the one screw that holds on the case (it in the back). Lift off the case (watch how it happens, it'll be easier to put it back on.... it should come off fairly easily once you hold the right spot). Look at the floppy drive. There is a little silver tab that lines up where that pinhole is to manually eject the floppy. Look inside the floppy drive (via the slot you inserted the floppy). Is anything blocking it? If not, push that silver tab and see if that ejects the floppy. (I am assuming you have a slab aka pizza box ?) The NeXT requires that you 'unmount' a disk (beit a CD, floppy, ZIP, whatever) before you 'eject' it. This is done automatically by clicking 'eject' or using command-e as I have described. The disk will be automatically ejected when it is unmounted by the operating system. Manually ejecting is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad. Don't do it. That's only for toy OSes like the ones propigated by the Evil Empire and Colonel Gates. TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html "Everything is easy when you know what you are doing." - Dr Robert Cupper, Department of CS, Allegheny College
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Year 2000 problems on NEXT? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:07:26 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970617100440.5497K-100000@cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "P.J.L.van Emmerik" <pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net> In-Reply-To: <5o5ho9$9nt$1@news.NL.net> On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, P.J.L.van Emmerik wrote: > Are there any known difficulties after the year 2000 when using NEXT-OS? There are no year 200 difficulties with any UNIX-based system, or with any OS/software designed by someone with enough foresight to look beyond the next paycheck. The NeXT community has both. The first is the really crucial one, the second can make up for the lack of the first in many cases. Rest easy..... However, be sure you check your MasterCard bill for 100 years worth of interest in Jan 2000...... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html "Everything is easy when you know what you are doing." - Dr Robert Cupper, Department of CS, Allegheny College
From: Serge Smadja <serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Drivers, more Drivers are needed Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:50:23 +0200 Organization: EDF - DER/IMA/ICI/ODI Message-ID: <33A6A42F.2577BC9F@der.edfgdf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello All, I have installed OpenStep 4.1 on a G6 200XL from Gateway 2000, however my graphic adapter is a STB Virge velocity 3D and my network adapter is a 3COM Etherlink III PCI (PCI is very important) and it seems that there aren't adequate drivers on the CD or on the Next Site. Any help would be appriciated. Does anybody knows if those drivers will be available anytime soon. Thanks. -- Serge Smadja EDF - Direction des Etudes et Recherches - FRANCE Ingénieur Chercheur - Département Ingénierie de la Communication en Informatique Groupe Outils de Dialogue pour l'Informatique Tél : +33 (0)1 47 65 31 31 fax : +33 (0)1 47 65 35 23 email : serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS May Quiz results Date: 17 Jun 1997 19:44:09 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet/PING Austria Message-ID: <5o6pe9$bm5$1@news.Austria.EU.net> The SSS May Quiz has ended, and the winners are drawn! For the quiz answer as well as for the drawing results, visit http://members.ping.at/stefan/quiz.html As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer 1.3 *or* LatinByrd III license. SSS's Quiz of the Month goes on summer vacation! See you all after the break, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://members.ping.at/stefan/
From: Axel Habermann <kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Drivers, more Drivers are needed Date: 17 Jun 1997 19:37:54 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5o6p2i$9qe$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <33A6A42F.2577BC9F@der.edfgdf.fr> In comp.sys.next.advocacy Serge Smadja <serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr> wrote: : Hello All, : I have installed OpenStep 4.1 on a G6 200XL from Gateway 2000, however : my graphic adapter is a STB Virge velocity 3D and my network adapter is : a 3COM Etherlink III PCI (PCI is very important) and it seems that there : aren't adequate drivers on the CD or on the Next Site. There is a generic driver for the Virge chipset, I would give it a try, maybe it works with your graphics card. There is no such thing an Etherlink III PCI adapter, at least not according to 3com's website. There is an Etherlink XL PCI adapter for which a driver is available: NeXTanswers #2165, #2166, #2534 HTH Axel -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: dimascio.6@osu.edu (V.P. DiMascio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: LOOKING FOR NEXT BLACK HARDWARE Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:38:37 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <dimascio.6.5.33A6F5CC@osu.edu> anyone know where i can get a cheap next machine. i'm not too interested in cubes. color doens't really matter either. just enough to have nextstep up and possibly run mathematica. thanks in advance. vince
From: John Goggan <jgoggan@dcg.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone near Mt. Pleasant (or Midland) Michigan?? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:51:18 -0400 Organization: Sojourn Systems Ltd. Message-ID: <33A7D9C6.6C3C@dcg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok -- I'm haing a (another!) problem with my new Color Station that I think is SoundBox related. So, basically, I'm trying to find someone fairly close to me that also has a Color Station so that maybe we could get together and to some quick equipment testing (i.e. I'd like to bring my Station over and try YOUR SoundBox to see if my problem goes away!)... So -- anyone near Mt. Pleasant or Midland Michigan out there? If so, please let me know! Thanks very much... - John (Goggan)... jgoggan@dcg.com
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: problem w/ 2.88mb floppies Date: 18 Jun 1997 12:43:27 GMT Organization: Personal Message-ID: <5o8l5f$1n6@rumah.pc.my> I have 2 slabs & am getting the same problem with both floppy drives. They work ok with 1.44mb 2HD floppies, but not with ED's. Console reports many CRC errors. Some have "Missing Address Mark:" and "DMA Over/underrun:" or "Header Not Found" errors. Repair and Initialize do not fix the problem. Even a fresh unformatted disk does this when I tried to format it. If I format a 1.44mb as Next, I get lots of the same errors, but eventually it will complete. I want to make a bootfloppy, but 6 disks failed, and I don't have any more 2.88's. Is there any way to correct this & use the hosed disks? It doesn't seem likely that 2 drives are bad. I'm using NS3.2. TIA, Mike
From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Drivers, more Drivers are needed Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:50:45 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970618084815.10489A-100000@cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <33A6A42F.2577BC9F@der.edfgdf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Serge Smadja <serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr> In-Reply-To: <33A6A42F.2577BC9F@der.edfgdf.fr> There is absolutely no need to post to more than one group in comp.sys.next.* at a time. You really are not reaching more people, you are just making more work for those who might spend that time helping you. If you are not sure which group to post to, please refer to this document http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html TjL
From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: problem w/ 2.88mb floppies Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:40:04 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970618093700.11021B-100000@cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <5o8l5f$1n6@rumah.pc.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Michael Olan <michael@rumah.pc.my> In-Reply-To: <5o8l5f$1n6@rumah.pc.my> On 18 Jun 1997, Michael Olan wrote: <snip> > Even a fresh unformatted disk does this when I tried to format it. If I > format a 1.44mb as Next, I get lots of the same errors, but eventually > it will complete. <snip> > It doesn't seem likely that 2 drives are bad. If they both fail to format a 1.44 disk, I'd say they were both bad. If they just fail to format a NeXT disk (either 2.88 or 1.44) then I'd say the file used to format for NeXT has been corrupted. Of course I can't remember what file that is, at the moment.... If you can figure it out, try comparing that to the CD. Wild guess... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html "Everything is easy when you know what you are doing." - Dr Robert Cupper, Department of CS, Allegheny College
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATAPI CD-ROM problems (NEC CDR-1400). Can't install! Date: 18 Jun 1997 14:12:30 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97May22184825@ra.one.net> References: <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235> <5m24hb$mma@crl2.crl.com> In-reply-to: bny@spamdunk_cut_here_crl.com's message of 22 May 1997 11:50:19 -0700 In article <5m24hb$mma@crl2.crl.com>, bny@spamdunk_cut_here_crl.com (Brad Yearwood) writes: In article <AFA9F32C-E0A81A@141.214.134.235>, Robert A. Decker <comrade@umich.edu> wrote: >We go through the installation process with the floppies. I set >the CD-ROM to be an Adaptec SCSI driver like one of the tech >notes, with the harddrive to EIDE and that didn't work. I set the >CD-ROM and hardrive to be dual primary/secondary ATAPI/EIDE and >that didn't work. I tried just about every combination that I >could think of and none of them work. I would be inclined to blame an incompatibility with the NEC drive. Note in NeXTanswer 2265 that no NEC drives are in the supported list, and 2 NEC drives are in the Known Problems list. As would I. Last weekend I purchased a 3.1G EIDE drive and a 12x Toshiba ATAPI drive at a computer fair. No boxes, no nothing. Just for grins, pulled my SCSI card and installed NeXTSTEP on the EIDE using the ATAPI drive. Worked fine, really the only problem was that NeXT's fdisk didn't seem all that happy with such a large drive (to be safe, I used Linux to partition the drive and told NeXTSTEP to install itself in the NeXTSTEP partition). That was with NS3.3. OpenStep is easier, as it has actual support for EIDE/ATAPI, rather than crufted on support :-). The machine has two EIDE interfaces, and was originally configured with the hard disk on one, and the CD-ROM on the other. I tried to get this to work with the Dual EIDE driver option, but it would not recognize the CD drive. I'm pretty sure that you still need the ATAPI in the slave position of the primary controller. I've heard noises about this getting fixed at some point, but I've not heard that it _is_ fixed. Whichever tech note suggests specifying the CD as SCSI with an Adaptech interface, is either obsolete or a red herring. Sort of both. NS3.3 needed this, because it couldn't get anywhere without some SCSI controller running. ATAPI actually runs a protocol similar to SCSI (from what I've heard it effectively _is_ SCSI), albeit over IDE cabling. Makes you wonder why SCSI CD-ROM drives cost 2x as much at a given speed as ATAPI CD-ROM drives ... Later, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Atomic Clock Synchronization with NeXT? Date: 18 Jun 1997 14:13:48 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jun2135032@ra.one.net> References: <5mqjjr$b5d@agate.berkeley.edu> In-reply-to: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu's message of 1 Jun 1997 01:34:51 GMT In article <5mqjjr$b5d@agate.berkeley.edu>, john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu writes: Is there any 'telnet-able' or 'http-able' site that will synchronize my NeXT Turbo's computer clock... toll free? I just have the line: 0 2 * * * root /usr/ucb/rdate ftp.uu.net 2>&1 in my /etc/crontab. [For non-cron-speakers, run rdate to ftp.uu.net at 2am, discard the output.] Sure, it's unlikely to be atomic clock precise ... but hell, my computer can't keep atomic clock precise time even if it starts out correctly synchronized, so who cares? If I'm within a couple seconds, that's fine by me ... [Actually, I have this in the root crontab on my gateway Linux boxes: 45 1 * * * /usr/bin/rdate -s ftp.uu.net and the 2am lines to the linux box on my internal NeXT machines. I'm mostly concerned that my local net is all internally synched. I found ntp way too annoying to get configured to make it worth my while.] Later, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: problem w/ 2.88mb floppies Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:16:07 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970618093329.11021A-100000@cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <5o8l5f$1n6@rumah.pc.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Michael Olan <michael@rumah.pc.my> In-Reply-To: <5o8l5f$1n6@rumah.pc.my> On 18 Jun 1997, Michael Olan wrote: > I want to make a bootfloppy, but 6 disks failed, and I don't have any more > 2.88's. Is there any way to correct this & use the hosed disks? It doesn't > seem likely that 2 drives are bad. You mean a floppy with a minimal system on it, enough to boot the machine? I had some trouble trying to do that.... might have been with 3.3 though.... have you tried dd if=/dev/rfd0a of=/dev/null bs=8k conv=sync and see if that reports any bad blocks (wild guess). TjL
From: Andrew Engelmann <engelman@colorado.edu> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Compile MATLAB under NextStep? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:52:13 -0600 Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Distribution: inet Message-ID: <33A8204D.5AF0@colorado.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: engelman NextStepers, Has anyone ever compiled Matlab code to run under NextStep? If so, how can I found out how to do that? -Drew Engelmann
From: Fam.Moser@t-online.de (Familie Moser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: glib++ for NextStep 3.0 Date: 17 Jun 1997 10:50:05 GMT Organization: Telekom Online Internet Gateway Message-ID: <5o5q4t$q0s$1@news02.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, I am looking for a port of glib++ on NS 3.0. At had a look at the sources of glib2.0, but I am afraid that the effort in porting it is too much for me. So I was wondering if there is somebody out there who has a port available. It need not be the latest version, I am just interested in hacking a little bit C++. Any kind of advice or pointer is welcome. Please mail to either martin@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp or fam.moser@t-online.de. Thanks in advance for your kindness, Martin
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From: cejensen@bitstream.net (Christian Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR NEXT BLACK HARDWARE Date: 19 Jun 1997 03:01:23 GMT Organization: Bitstream Underground Message-ID: <5oa7e3$nul$1@maryj.bitstream.net> References: <dimascio.6.5.33A6F5CC@osu.edu> In-Reply-To: <dimascio.6.5.33A6F5CC@osu.edu> On 06/17/97, V.P. DiMascio wrote: >anyone know where i can get a cheap next machine. Try: www.orb.com www.deepspacetech.com -- ******************************** Chris Jensen cejensen@bitstream.net MIME, NeXTMail OK
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From: Jesse.Tayler@OEinc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhapsody: from Greek "rhaptein" to sew or stitch together + "oide" a song Date: 19 Jun 1997 05:13:13 GMT Organization: ServNet Internet Services Message-ID: <5oaf59$djn$1@brockman.serv.net> I am not sure that anyone at Apple intended for this little tidbit about the name "Rhapsody" but when I think of Rhapsody being such a great composition of old and new, I wonder. Rhapsody: from Greek "rhaptein" to sew or stitch together + "oide" a song. "rhaptein" say: "rap-tine" "oide" say: "oy-day" In the middle ages, songs were composed and sung by bards and minstrels. Composing was based on the old and accepted phrases being compiled together into a new piece. The "song" that is stitched together is a rich patchwork of pre-fabricated lines or half-lines of verse, some of them hundreds of years old, some more recent, some few maybe the singer's own inventions -- all held in suspension in the bard's memory and reorganized each time he sings, to make a new (yet always familiar) work. Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were constructed this way, though not until this century did scholars discover how that ancient method worked, or its profound implications for our understanding of oral tradition and the history of culture and language.... You could say that "rhapsody," in its original Greek meaning, IS a form of object architecture! -- Jesse Tayler Object Enterprises Incorporated 2608 Second Avenue Suite 119 Seattle WA 98121-1276 USA 888-445-8515 - PHONE (toll free) 888-445-8516 - FAX (toll free) 206-954-3284 - CELL Jesse.Tayler@OEinc.com http://www.oeinc.com/
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Compile MATLAB under NextStep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 19 Jun 1997 12:40:20 GMT Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ob9bk$8a$2@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> References: <33A8204D.5AF0@colorado.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <33A8204D.5AF0@colorado.edu>, Andrew Engelmann <engelman@colorado.edu> writes: > Has anyone ever compiled Matlab code to run under NextStep? If so, how > can I found out how to do that? Another hint: There is "octave" under GPL, which *should be* mathlab comparable. Bernhard F`up2: comp.sys.next.software
From: John Goggan <jgoggan@dcg.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Exception #3 at boot -- any ideas? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:34:09 -0400 Organization: Sojourn Systems Ltd. Message-ID: <33A95F81.72F2@dcg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still getting some odd behavior (although different than before I replaced the motherboard already! Doh!) on my Color Station... At just starts to boot (i.e. passes the self tests and just starts to read the hard drive (or floppy, as I've tried that too) and then dies with: "Exception #3" Can anyone fill me in on what Exception #3 is -- or have any ideas? I'm thinking I may have a bad SoundBox, but I'm not certain... - John (Goggan)... jgoggan@dcg.com
From: Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Exception #3 at boot -- any ideas? Date: 20 Jun 1997 03:14:42 GMT Organization: Public Electronic Access to Knowlege,Inc Message-ID: <5ocsj2$7vg$1@bashir.peak.org> References: <33A95F81.72F2@dcg.com> In-Reply-To: <33A95F81.72F2@dcg.com> On 06/19/97, John Goggan wrote: >Can anyone fill me in on what Exception #3 is -- or have any ideas? >I'm thinking I may have a bad SoundBox, but I'm not certain... For me it seems to have had something to do with RAM.... or the motherboard perhaps... Hard rebooting (alt-cmd-* on keypad) or power cycling seems to fix it for me.. TjL -- -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html "Everything is easy when you know what you are doing." - Dr Robert Cupper, Department of CS, Allegheny College
From: John Goggan <jgoggan@dcg.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Exception #3 at boot -- any ideas? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:17:25 -0400 Organization: Sojourn Systems Ltd. Message-ID: <33AA66C5.5D25@dcg.com> References: <33A95F81.72F2@dcg.com> <5ocsj2$7vg$1@bashir.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > On 06/19/97, John Goggan wrote: > >Can anyone fill me in on what Exception #3 is -- or have any ideas? > >I'm thinking I may have a bad SoundBox, but I'm not certain... > > For me it seems to have had something to do with RAM.... or the > motherboard perhaps... > > Hard rebooting (alt-cmd-* on keypad) or power cycling seems to fix it > for me.. Thanks for the response, but I've tried that quite a bit -- just starts to reboot and then gives Exception #3 again. I've also tried three different pairs of SIMMs with the same results. And two motherboards (although one was having a different problem most of the time, so I guess it is possible I have another bad motherboard, but I doubt it). I'm still leaning towards it being a bad SoundBox that may actually be causing odd problems on the motherboard. All of my tests pass -- but the sound-out test sounds more like a blip of high-pitched garbage than the normal full-of-bass startup sound that I am used to... Hmmm... - John (Goggan)... jgoggan@dcg.com
From: sfr@cs.tu-berlin.de (S. F. Ruehauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: make mail folder searchable? Date: 20 Jun 1997 12:27:53 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5odt09$brd$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello after more than 4 years of NextMail the problem of finding old mails gets harder and harder. So: is there a good easy solution to search within NeXTMail in all folders ? Something like another button in the active Mailfolder? Or a Service? thanx alot later SfR
From: marc@htl.com (Marc Respass) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: halted startup (OS 4.2 PR) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:58:06 GMT Organization: HTL Technologies, Inc. Message-ID: <33ab3446.642346@htlmst.htl.com> Hi, I have the Prelude to Rhapsody installed on my Pentium system. Everything is working great (finally :) but ever since I added a DNS server to my network config, Openstep seems to hang on startup. The disk icon in the Starting Openstep window spins for a while then it goes away and the system just sits there. When I press ctrl-C, it resumes startup. Any ideas why? If I may ask an unrelated question, how can I setup NeXTMail to work with my POP mail server? I can't find any place to setup the mail server like I do in other POP clients. Is NeXT Mail not a POP client maybe? If not, is there a POP mail client and newsreader around for Openstep? I have OmniWeb which is really nice. Thanks a lot --Marc Respass High Technology Logistics mailto:marc@htl.com http://www.htl.com
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From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LocalApps or NextApps? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:25:34 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <InefoCm00iWY04a_w0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <33ab3540.892899@htlmst.htl.com> In-Reply-To: <33ab3540.892899@htlmst.htl.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 21-Jun-97 LocalApps or NextApps? by Marc Respass@htl.com > I downloaded an application while logged as "me" (no superuser privs). > When I tried to install it, it wanted to install in /LocalApps. I > wanted to put it in /NextApps with all my other applications but I > couldn't because I didn't have the privileges. What's the difference > between /LocalApps and /NextApps? They're both in the root of the > drive and can be accessed by anyone (can't they?). You want to put any apps you install yourself in /LocalApps. Normal users don't have permissions to install in /NextApps because if/when you upgrade the OS to a new version, the upgrade process feels free to manipulate that directory freely so it may delete things in /NextApps (unless you manually verify what it's doing, which you _can_ do but most people don't). Only the bundled apps NeXT provides belong in /NextApps. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
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From: Jesse.Tayler@OEinc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LocalApps or NextApps? Date: 20 Jun 1997 18:06:29 GMT Organization: ServNet Internet Services Message-ID: <5oegr5$9mk$1@brockman.serv.net> References: <33ab3540.892899@htlmst.htl.com> In-Reply-To: <33ab3540.892899@htlmst.htl.com> On 06/20/97, Marc Respass wrote: > I downloaded an application while logged as "me" > (no superuser privs). When I tried to install it, > it wanted to install in /LocalApps. I wanted to > put it in /NextApps with all my other > applications but I couldn't because I didn't have > the privileges. What's the difference between > /LocalApps and /NextApps? They're both in the > root of the drive and can be accessed by anyone > (can't they?). > Next -Library and Apps etc. Are for NeXT applications, typically official stuff are the ones that install there. You should not muck with those folders as a general rule. The term "local" is from your local area network. These are typically shared folders that are controlled by Admins. /LocalApps and /LocalLibrary are common examples If you only have one machine, and generally use the "me" account, I would suggest that you either open up the privileges for the /LocalApps folder, or put personal applications in your ~/Apps folder. Do not put applications in folders other than ~/Apps and /LocalApps since they are part of a special "application path" that is used to build services, document icons and other neat stuff. I would not use the "me" account, I would just take the time to set up separate user accounts - it's not hard, even if I was the only user. The "me" account seems to be designed for people who wanted a PC but bought a NeXT by mistake and like the idea of having the computer startup in to the workspace without logging in. Have fun!! jester -- Jesse Tayler Object Enterprises Incorporated 2608 Second Avenue Suite 119 Seattle WA 98121-1276 USA 888-445-8515 - PHONE (toll free) 888-445-8516 - FAX (toll free) 206-954-3284 - CELL Jesse.Tayler@OEinc.com http://www.oeinc.com/
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LocalApps or NextApps? Date: 20 Jun 1997 22:33:23 GMT Organization: 21st Century Software, New York City Sender: daver@ts1-9.nj.cnct.com Message-ID: <5of0fj$aso$1@darla.visi.com> References: <33ab3540.892899@htlmst.htl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 1997 17:33:23 CDT Cc: marc@htl.com In <33ab3540.892899@htlmst.htl.com> Marc Respass wrote: > I downloaded an application while logged as "me" (no superuser privs). > When I tried to install it, it wanted to install in /LocalApps. I > wanted to put it in /NextApps with all my other applications but I > couldn't because I didn't have the privileges. What's the difference > between /LocalApps and /NextApps? They're both in the root of the > drive and can be accessed by anyone (can't they?). You aren't supposed to install applications in NextApps. It's for, well, NeXT apps, and not user-installed apps. /LocalApps is for site-local apps (it's generally shared to client machines from file servers, hence LAN-local) and $HOME/Apps is user-specific apps. You don't have write permission to /Next-anything for this reason (well, except /NextLibrary/Receipts). -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: :: independant software and network guy ::::: new york, new york :: :: PGP fingerprint :: 89F5 E75D 4749 3FF4 :: ED92 1B6D 9871 9B93 ::
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: halted startup (OS 4.2 PR) Date: 20 Jun 1997 22:41:58 GMT Organization: 21st Century Software, New York City Sender: daver@ts1-9.nj.cnct.com Message-ID: <5of0vm$aso$2@darla.visi.com> References: <33ab3446.642346@htlmst.htl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 1997 17:41:58 CDT Cc: marc@htl.com In <33ab3446.642346@htlmst.htl.com> Marc Respass wrote: > I have the Prelude to Rhapsody installed on my Pentium system. > Everything is working great (finally :) but ever since I added a DNS > server to my network config, Openstep seems to hang on startup. The > disk icon in the Starting Openstep window spins for a while then it > goes away and the system just sits there. When I press ctrl-C, it > resumes startup. Any ideas why? When booting, type -v at the boot: prompt to get a verbose startup screen. You should be able to trace down the problem then. I have suspicion that it's sendmail sleeping when trying to look up the local hostname, so you might want to look closely at that. > If I may ask an unrelated question, how can I setup NeXTMail to work > with my POP mail server? I can't find any place to setup the mail > server like I do in other POP clients. Is NeXT Mail not a POP client > maybe? If not, is there a POP mail client and newsreader around for > Openstep? You're right, it's not a POP client. Look for PopOver on one of the ftp sites; it does pop3 transfers. -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: :: independant software and network guy ::::: new york, new york :: :: PGP fingerprint :: 89F5 E75D 4749 3FF4 :: ED92 1B6D 9871 9B93 ::
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 128MB RAM in a NeXT Turbo? Date: 21 Jun 1997 14:15:13 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Message-ID: <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Can I install 128MB RAM in my NeXT Turbo...ie. four 32MB SIMMS? And, if I buy two 32MB SIMMS and use them alone (64MB total), with the idea that I might want to add another 64MB (or 16MB, or 32MB) later, which two slots do I install the two 32MB SIMMS in... the ones closest to the power supply? Thanks. John
From: andydunn@op.net (Andy Dunn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Avery labels on a NeXT printer? Date: 21 Jun 1997 15:15:17 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Message-ID: <5ogr65$p83$1@picasso.op.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone tried printing to video tape labels using a NeXT printer? Are there any templates out there to help with this, preferably in WriteNow or Draw format? Thanks, _andy
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 128MB RAM in a NeXT Turbo? Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:43:48 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <onf3o4W00iVG028qI0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 21-Jun-97 128MB RAM in a NeXT Turbo? by john@romdas.HIP.berkeley > Can I install 128MB RAM in my NeXT Turbo...ie. four 32MB SIMMS? Most probably, yes. I think a few Turbo motherboards were designed with 8 30-pin SIMM slots (which would max out at 32MB) instead of 4 72-pin SIMM slots (which maxes at 128 MB), but the latter is what most people have. > And, if I buy two 32MB SIMMS and use them alone (64MB total), with the idea > that I might want to add another 64MB (or 16MB, or 32MB) later, which two > slots do I install the two 32MB SIMMS in... the ones closest to the power > supply? Yes, they should be installed in slots 0 and 1, which are the leftmost (when facing the computer in it's normal orientation). -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [JOBS] Metrowerks Research and Development Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 19:29:20 -0400 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-2106971929200001@aumi2-a02.ccm.tds.net> Metrowerks Current Job Openings Metrowerks is the creator of CodeWarrior, a suite of software development tools used by programmers around the world. This fast-growing, Austin-based company is currently seeking candidates to fill a number of positions: RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT Four-year college degrees required; computer science, computer engineering and electrical engineering degrees preferred. A. Libraries/Performance Analysis Engineer, C/C++/Pascal/Java Some experience with FORTRAN, C, C++ or Java required. Duties will include various subsets of the following: * measuring compiler performance across various x86, PowerPC, 68K, MIPS implementations * analysis of object code for codgen flaws, possible areas of improvement * analysis via automated suites to determine optimal library designs, evaluating new sources * testing C/C++ libraries for conformance to ISO and emerging standards, fixing singularities * writing example code, writing technical documentation, providing high-end support for STL users B. Rapid Application Development (RAD) Tools (Both junior and senior level positions available) These positions will include the design and implementation of core technology and user interface for tools to assist in the development of object-oriented applications. Candidates should have strong Windows or Macintosh experience (experience with both Windows and Macintosh preferred) and a proven track record delivering major applications in C++. Candidates should also have played a key role in contributing to projects involving extensive user interface and core code. Preference will be given to candidates with experience with the following: previous development tool implementation experience, Java, Visual C++, MFC, ActiveX or NextStep. C. Software Engineer for CodeWarrior Latitude This person will develop portable implementations of Macintosh Toolbox functionality for CodeWarrior Latitude. Will write code in C, C++, & ObjC on non-Mac platforms including Solaris, IRIX, HP-UX and Rhapsody. UNIX experience, however, is not essential. Will develop testing suites for quality assurance. Candidates are required to have at least three years of solid Mac programming experience. Also, candidates with strengths in interprocess communications such as AppleTalk and AppleEvents, AppleScript and OpenTransport are desired. Experience with WorldScript & other Internationalization features, such as multi-byte character handling, is a bonus. D. UNIX Programmer Metrowerks is looking for a junior to intermediate level programmer for its UNIX group. Candidates must know C and C++ and have at least two years programming experience. Previous experience programming on UNIX is a must; experience in UNIX programming with gcc preferred. E. Quality Assurance Engineers Metrowerks is looking for people with strong cross platform skills and some programming and testing experience. Quality assurance engineers will work in a rapidly changing environment and will enjoy the benefits of working with state-of-the-art (bleeding edge) technologies such as Java, BeOS, PalmOS (Pilot), MacOS 8 and others. Macintosh and/or Microsoft Windows programming experience is required. Must be familiar with one or more of the following programming languages: C, C++, Java, Pascal and one or more of the following platforms: Macintosh, Microsoft Windows 95/NT or UNIX. Medical, dental, life, disability and 401K plans are available to employees. For more information, see the Metrowerks web page <http://www.metrowerks.com>. Please send resumes by email to hr@metrowerks.com, or by fax to Recruiting Coordinator at 512/873-4900. -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty http://www.metrowerks.com MWRon@metrowerks.com
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From: zizi zhao <ziziz@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: netinfo config in 3.3 & 4.2 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:12:22 -0400 Organization: personal Message-ID: <33ACB436.57A0@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to upgrade from NS/intel 3.3 to 4.2. Since I would be the first one to do so in the company, I wonder how netinfo works in 4.2. If I save the netinfo config in 3.3 on a disk and copy it to /etc after upgrade to 4.2, will it work? Thanks, ZiZi
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <3108866347221@digifix.com> Date: 22 Jun 1997 03:57:06 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <10436866952022@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: jbf_see_sig@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Exception #3 at boot -- any ideas? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 06:32:18 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf_see_sig-ya023580002206970632180001@news.tiac.net> References: <33A95F81.72F2@dcg.com> <5ocsj2$7vg$1@bashir.peak.org> <33AA66C5.5D25@dcg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Its a bad instruction address. Bad ROM, bad boot block, bad motherboard ... Barney (delete that _see_sig to email me)
From: gregor@crosslink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 128MB RAM in a NeXT Turbo? Date: 22 Jun 1997 15:54:59 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Message-ID: <5ojhsj$d9h$2@kronos.crosslink.net> References: <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu In <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu wrote: > Can I install 128MB RAM in my NeXT Turbo...ie. four 32MB SIMMS? And, if I > buy two 32MB SIMMS and use them alone (64MB total), with the idea > that I might want to add another 64MB (or 16MB, or 32MB) later, which two > slots do I install the two 32MB SIMMS in... the ones closest to the power > supply? > > Thanks. > > John > 128Mb works in the Turbo Color slab, but 1) takes forever to get through the testing system routine, and 2) no noticeable increase in speed. 3) wouldn't go trhough the expense again. Two 32Mb chips would go closest to the power supply, add others later Regards Gregor
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 128MB RAM in a NeXT Turbo? Date: 22 Jun 1997 19:22:16 GMT Organization: WolfWare Message-ID: <5oju18$3du$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> References: <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> <5ojhsj$d9h$2@kronos.crosslink.net> In-Reply-To: <5ojhsj$d9h$2@kronos.crosslink.net> On 06/22/97, gregor@crosslink.net wrote: >In <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu wrote: >> Can I install 128MB RAM in my NeXT Turbo...ie. four 32MB SIMMS? And, if I >> buy two 32MB SIMMS and use them alone (64MB total), with the idea >> that I might want to add another 64MB (or 16MB, or 32MB) later, which two >> slots do I install the two 32MB SIMMS in... the ones closest to the power >> supply? >> >> Thanks. >> >> John >> >128Mb works in the Turbo Color slab, but >1) takes forever to get through the testing system routine, and I'm pretty sure it's possible to disable the hardware tests from the ROM monitor. I believe it was one of the first things I did on my slab with 96MB and it doesn't seem to spend any appreciable time doing any kind of memory test anymore. And besides, how often do you reboot anyways? ;-) Uptime on my slab is up to 44 days now - even an extra minute or two to reboot doesn't sound so bad if you only have to wait for it once a month or so. >2) no noticeable increase in speed. I think this depends on what you're doing. With every NeXTSTEP/OpenStep system I've owned (both Intel and NeXT) throwing more memory at it has ALWAYS brought me noticeable improvements in performance - I've used systems with everything from 16MB up to 128MB (with CPU remaining basically constant) and have always benefitted from the RAM. >3) wouldn't go trhough the expense again. Your mileage may vary of course. Just thought I'd present an alternative opinion. >Two 32Mb chips would go closest to the power supply, add others later > >Regards >Gregor -- _______________________________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf -- WolfWare -- NeXTSTEP/OpenStep/Rhapsody Developer For info about NewsFlash the lightning fast NeXTSTEP news-reader visit our newly revised web site at: http://www.wolfware.com _______________________________________________________________________
From: hanske@ratatosk.ratatosk.gol.com (Hans Shimizu Karlsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q} CAPer, corrupted files Date: 22 Jun 1997 15:22:56 GMT Organization: Global OnLine Japan Message-ID: <5ojg0g$im7$1@godzilla.gol.com> Hello I have a problem with corrupted files when transferring stuff to my Mac. Graphic files come over badly distorted. Bringing over the same files on a floppy lets me open them without problems, and without distortion. I can copy binhexed Mac apps to the Mac without problems. I have PPP on the Mac running on the same Ethernet connection. Use the MAc as a client to a NeXT, and from there to the world, via a proxy. Hans Karlsson _____________________________________________________ hanske@ratatosk.com www@ratatosk.com info@ratatosk.com
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q} CAPer, corrupted files Date: 23 Jun 1997 17:45:30 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5omcnq$rjj$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5ojg0g$im7$1@godzilla.gol.com> Cc: hanske@ratatosk.ratatosk.gol.com In <5ojg0g$im7$1@godzilla.gol.com> Hans Shimizu Karlsson wrote: > Hello > > I have a problem with corrupted files when transferring stuff > to my Mac. > > Graphic files come over badly distorted. > > Bringing over the same files on a floppy lets me open > them without problems, and without distortion. > > I can copy binhexed Mac apps to the Mac without problems. > > I have PPP on the Mac running on the same Ethernet connection. > > Use the MAc as a client to a NeXT, and from there to the world, > via a proxy. Most likely you are transfering the graphics files with ASCII conversion. CAPs AUFS will automatically change the line ends in this case (bad idea for binary files). You should put an mapping file called .afpfile similar to the example presented in the README of CAPer V8 (see under the Info menu) in your home directory and restart the file services. This should be done for every user. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Modem and Printer Message-ID: <33AECA4C.A2D6CC0F@uwyo.edu> From: "W.T. Grandy, Jr." <wtg@uwyo.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:11:09 -0600 Distribution: world Organization: University of Wyoming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two problems I can't seem to solve for my OpenStep 4.1 platform. I'm running Intel, Pentium Pro 200, 64 MB, and 4.3 GB hard drive partitioned for Win95 and OpenStep. 1. The less serious of the two is that OS doesn't seem to register the printer and allow its use if it's turned on after booting. If turned on before boot, no problem, Is this the normal behavior? It wasn't so in NS 3.2. 2. More serious, upon starting to install PPP, I discovered that OS wasn't recognizing my modem, a Telepath 33.6. When I realized that it was a plug-and-play modem I exchanged it for the the same make but not P&P, and set it up as usual at com2, IRQ 3, at 2f8. Nothing! I've tried doing everything I can think of in configure.app, but OS still acts as if it didn't exist. Neither the faxmodem nor GateKeeper has any interest in it. I'd very much appreciate hearing from anyone to whom all this sounds familiar, or who has an answer anyway. Tom Grandy -- W.T. Grandy, Jr. Physics & Astronomy University of Wyoming http://faraday.uwyo.edu/faculty/tgrandy/index.html
From: gregor@crosslink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Avery labels on a NeXT printer? Date: 22 Jun 1997 15:51:10 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Message-ID: <5ojhle$d9h$1@kronos.crosslink.net> References: <5ogr65$p83$1@picasso.op.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: andydunn@op.net In <5ogr65$p83$1@picasso.op.net> Andy Dunn wrote: > > Has anyone tried printing to video tape labels using a NeXT printer? > > Are there any templates out there to help with this, preferably in WriteNow > or Draw format? > > Thanks, > _andy > > Trilithon Software (now defunct) had a program called Labelworks that had almost every imaginable Avery template stored, and worked very well. You might want to post on marketplace to see if anyone wants to sell the prog. Cheers Gregor
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: What driver to select for a NCR 810 SCSI? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:44:39 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2306972044400001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2306972029360001@199.166.204.230> In article <maury-2306972029360001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > Well I have a PC to install on finally, one with a SCSI HD and ATAPI > CD-ROM. The issue this time is that the SCSI card does not appear in the > drivers list, which is astounding because it's an NCR 810 card which I'm > being told is terribly common. And it is supported, it's just that the silly NeXTAnswers search engine is too dumb to find it if you type in "NCR 810". FYI, it's the Symbios Logic driver, for whatever reason. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get the CD running, it's on ATAPI. The HD is mounting, the booter is ID'ing it correctly, but then dying on the CD. The CD is set to slave, I'll try the master/slave selection and see what happens. Wish me luck! Oh, and perhaps they might want to add "and press Return" to most of the installer's prompts! Maury
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OPENSTEP 4.2 for NT Academic available? Date: 24 Jun 1997 03:44:41 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <5onfr9$b49@agate.berkeley.edu> I know that OPENSTEP 4.2 for NT Pre-release was given out to WWDC attendees, and OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach is available in commercial and academic versions. Does anyone know if OPENSTEP 4.2 for NT Academic is available now, if not when? I've waited for 4.2, and would rather not get 4.1 for NT now if I can avoid it -- unless there is a free upgrade, which I believe there isn't. -- Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu>
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: What driver to select for a NCR 810 SCSI? Date: 24 Jun 1997 05:41:39 GMT Organization: WolfWare Message-ID: <5onmmj$iq$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> References: <maury-2306972029360001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2306972044400001@199.166.204.230> In-Reply-To: <maury-2306972044400001@199.166.204.230> On 06/23/97, Maury Markowitz wrote: >In article <maury-2306972029360001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com >(Maury Markowitz) wrote: > >> Well I have a PC to install on finally, one with a SCSI HD and ATAPI >> CD-ROM. The issue this time is that the SCSI card does not appear in the >> drivers list, which is astounding because it's an NCR 810 card which I'm >> being told is terribly common. > > And it is supported, it's just that the silly NeXTAnswers search engine >is too dumb to find it if you type in "NCR 810". FYI, it's the Symbios >Logic driver, for whatever reason. Its the Symbios Logic driver because Symbios bought NCR's SCSI chip division and is now the manufacturer of these products. (www.symbios.com) > Oh, and perhaps they might want to add "and press Return" to most of the >installer's prompts! Return? What's that? I don't see any Return key here? My one keyboard has this little funny backwards-L shaped arrow and the other has the same arrow and the word "Enter"? Maybe they should explain all that too? And you know, I've never figured out where the "Any" key is either.... I think you have to assume some minimal level of competence here :-) -- _______________________________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf -- WolfWare -- NeXTSTEP/OpenStep/Rhapsody Developer For info about NewsFlash the lightning fast NeXTSTEP news-reader visit our newly revised web site at: http://www.wolfware.com _______________________________________________________________________
From: lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: netinfo config in 3.3 & 4.2 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 24 Jun 1997 07:13:09 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, University of Melbourne Message-ID: <5ons25$6gn@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <33ACB436.57A0@worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao (ziziz@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : I need to upgrade from NS/intel 3.3 to 4.2. Since I would be the first : one : to do so in the company, I wonder how netinfo works in 4.2. If I save : the : netinfo config in 3.3 on a disk and copy it to /etc after upgrade to : 4.2, : will it work? It should work fine. No changes to the database format were made between 3.3 and 4.2, to my knowledge. -- Luke
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: What driver to select for a NCR 810 SCSI? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:24:21 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2406971024210001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2306972029360001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2306972044400001@199.166.204.230> <5onmmj$iq$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> In article <5onmmj$iq$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net>, cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) wrote: > Its the Symbios Logic driver because Symbios bought NCR's SCSI chip > division and is now the manufacturer of these products. (www.symbios.com) Ahh. Makes sense. > I think you have to assume some minimal level of competence here :-) Perhaps, but not once they go to wide release. This is the most frustrating install process I've ever seen on a PC. And it still doesn't work either. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ok, now this is crazy Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:11:14 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2406971311150001@199.166.204.230> Giving up on ever getting the install to work with a SCSI HD and a ATAPI CD-ROM, I finally broke down and grabbed the SCSI CD-ROM off of the Indy and hooked it up. I selected the Symbios driver for both the CD-ROM and HD selections from the menu, and waited. This time the system boots to the "window", tells me it sees the SCSI controller, continues on and tells me the the bus is operational, shows me the devices attached to it (correctly), then has the gall to state that there's no CD attached, even though it correctly ID'ed both the drive and it's SCSI ID on the previous line. So thinking that it might be a SCSI ID conflict (it's not, one is zero, the other four, but what the heck) I changed the CD to ID 6. This time it indeed ID'ed the CD to be on ID6. Still no luck. My next-door-cubical-mate noticed something about "Unable to enable interrupt" and suggested that interrupts may be turned off on the SCSI card and this could be the problem. I pulled the card to look for jumpers, and although I found three sets, none of them are labled. Sigh. A quick call to Symbios was very helpful, and I'd like to thank Chuck for all the help on the phone - notably considering it isn't even his product, the chip is, but it's someone else's card! It looks like this could be a dreaded IRQ interrupt issue, interesting when you consider it's on PCI and it's PnP as well. It seems that normal 16bit installations don't use interrupts to drive the cards. Since this machine ran only DOS/Win3.1 in the past and none of the 32bit OS's, it's possible this has been a problem all along, and no one noticed. I've set PnP on for the PCI bus (for some reason it was off) but I have no documentation on the card itself, so I don't know if it needs a jumper set - the card has no identifying marks, either for the manufacturer or the the purpose of the jumpers. Here's to hoping this install on Mac hardware is easy, because I'm about to give up on it. Maury
From: bozack@blkbox.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: serial devices not found Date: 24 Jun 1997 18:28:19 GMT Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Message-ID: <5op3k3$79g@news.blkbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have two dumb terminals sitting here not doing anything. So I come up with the wonderful idea of hooking one up to my FreeBSD machine and one up to my Intel running OPENSTEP 4.1. I'm new to the B SD thing, so it took me a bit to figure out how to hook it up to the FreeBSD box; but I got it working like a champ. Now I go to do the same thing on my OPENSTEP box. The UNIX layer is an older BSD, so it should be somewhat like what I just did over on the other machine. I figure out the device name that I'd be using (/dev/ttydfb, I think it was, since the terminal does that hardware handshaking business) and try doing simple things like "echo test > /dev/ttydfb", but it complains about "no such device." I try the same for cua, cub, cufa, cufb, etc etc etc ... everything that the SysAdmin bookshelf mentions, but I keep getting that same error. I tried removing all the relevant devices in /dev and recreated them. Didn't work. Then I had a bowl of ice cream. So I thought "hmm, maybe when OPENSTEP booted, it didn't find anything hooked up to the serial card so it didn't initialize something right" ... so I rebooted. That didn't help any. So I thought, maybe this is usual and I should just toss a getty on that tty and it'll magically work. So I edit /dev/ttys and enable the tty that the term is sitting on (just like I did on the FreeBSD box) and HUPd init. That didn't work ,either .. so I rebooted, but with nothing to show for it. I have a Sun3 with a vacant serial port, so I can always hook the second dumb-term up to that thing (it's runing NetBSD .. so I'm three times the BSD!), but what if one day I want to do PPP on the OPENSTEP box? I'm sure I'd run into the same problem; so I might as well try to solve it now, right? Thanks, Dan bozack@blkbox.com
From: jhburns@kobc0002.delcoelect.com (Jeffrey H. Burns) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Compile MATLAB under NextStep? Date: 24 Jun 1997 13:19:25 -0500 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <pvdbu4vj236.fsf@kobc0002.delcoelect.com> References: <33A8204D.5AF0@colorado.edu> I compiled the old public domain version of Matlab for black hardware about five years ago. It was submitted to Purdue's archive server. If you can not find the it on an archive someplace I can make it available again. Compiling this code was a real pain. It had several hardware dependences in the Fortran code. I would suggest looking at scilab. I have not used this package, but from following it's news group it appears to have more support than the public domain version of Matlab. Andrew Engelmann <engelman@colorado.edu> writes: > NextStepers, > > Has anyone ever compiled Matlab code to run under NextStep? If so, how > can I found out how to do that? > > -Drew Engelmann -- Jeffrey H Burns Internet:jhburns@dawg.delcoelect.com Project Engineer Delco Electronics Corp. Telephone: (765) 451-3279 Kokomo, IN 46904-9005 FAX: (765) 451-3600
From: bozack@blkbox.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: serial devices not found Date: 24 Jun 1997 22:58:47 GMT Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Message-ID: <5opjf7$7qb@news.blkbox.com> References: <5op3k3$79g@news.blkbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: bozack@blkbox.com In <5op3k3$79g@news.blkbox.com> bozack@blkbox.com wrote: [NOTHING! BECAUSE I CUT IT ALL OUT! ] I received some responses from this in email .. thank you SO much to those that told me how to solve this. Turns out I just didn't have the TTY Port Driver installed! How silly of me . I never would have even thought to look in Configure.app since both serial ports were already in there. Anyhow, the getty is now sent across the serial cable at 9600 bps and is intercepted by the term .. the text is a bit mangled, but it's usable until I get that worked out. I've tried decreasing the speed down to 2400, but that just mangled the text at less than half the speed.:) The cabling is OK (tested on a different machine with the same terminal) and the serial port is OK (tested it with the same cabling and same dumbterm in a different operating system on the same machine), so it's been narrowed down to a getty / user / kernel device problem .. either the getty is bad, the user is bad, or the serial device in the kernel is bad. I'm guessing it's choice 2. man the gettytab, soldier! (get it? man gettytab. i'm good.) thanks again, Dan
From: thomas@zippy.sonoma.edu (Thomas Poff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Avery labels on a NeXT printer? Date: 24 Jun 1997 23:25:56 GMT Organization: Information Resources and Technology Message-ID: <5opl24$i81$1@nuke.csu.net> References: <5ogr65$p83$1@picasso.op.net> Hi. I made some very nice looking Mailing labels using Diagram. You could probably use Draw to do the same thing. It's pretty easy to do. The geometry of the printer is darn close to the ruler measurements in Diagram. Again the rulers in Draw should perform the same purpose... Draw is Diagram's ancestor after all and seems to use the same grid and ruler code. I just tried doing it in Draw and 'twas pretty easy. I forgot just how _fast_ Draw really is. Thomas Andy Dunn (andydunn@op.net) wrote: : Has anyone tried printing to video tape labels using a NeXT printer? : Are there any templates out there to help with this, preferably in WriteNow : or Draw format? : Thanks, : _andy -- <>+<> ////// __v__ __\/__ `\|||/ /---\ """"""" | _ - | (_____) . / ^ _ \ . (q p) | o o | <^-@-@-^> (| o O |) .( O O ), |\| (o)(o) |/| _ooO_<_>_Ooo_ooO_U_Ooo_ooO__v__Ooo_ooO_u_Ooo_ooO__(_)__Ooa__oOO_()_OOo___ [_____}_____!____.}_____{_____|_____}_____i____.}_____!_____{_____}_____] __.}____.|_____{_____!____.}_____|_____{.____}_____|_____}_____|_____!___ [_____{_____}_____|_____}_____i_____}_____|_____}_____i_____{_____}_____] Thomas Poff 1308 Michele Ct. Rohnert Park, CA 94928 (707)664-1867 To see some interesting software for the Newton, please try: http://www.cs.sonoma.edu/Newton ftp://ftp.cs.sonoma.edu/pub/Newton
From: bozack@blkbox.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: looking for new getty Date: 25 Jun 1997 03:52:51 GMT Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Message-ID: <5oq4mj$8j8@news.blkbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sure everyone is getting tired of these posts coming from me .. :) I'm the one trying to setup the dumbterms ... I seem to have getty ALMOST working .. it spits out the login prompt without mangling anything (I looked around in NeXT-Answers and saw that the default settings for a tty were 7E1 and the term was set to 8N1) .. it's been so long since I've touched a modem/serial connection that my common sense went straight down the pisser. The problem is after getty calls login .. I just get trash. I looked on the FreeBSD box (which works) and saw that the version of getty on that machine supports an "np" bool option in /etc/gettytab that seems to be exactly what I need .. it sets the line to 8 bits, no parity, with one stop bit ... On the OpenStep box, I have it set to zero parity and i'm telling it not to strip the eigth bit .. seems like the same thing, but something is not right. This is the line in /etc/gettytab that I'm telling the tty to use in /etc/ttys: 2|std.9600|9600-baud:\ :p8:zp:ap:sp#9600:tt=vt100: The p8 is to not strip the eigth bit and the zp is for zero parity ... Well, basically instead of working on fixing this with what I have, I've been scouring for a nice generic getty. getty_ps and mgetty and agetty all want termio, when all I have is termios ... oh how I wish I were a developer so I could just port the buggers. So what do all you other getty-using folks do? After i click the post button at the bottom of this composition window of radicalnews I'll continue looking for a way to fix this with what I have .. hopefully I'll find the answer and chuckle out loud and be able to post what I find. Or I'll bang my head on the desk and yell at my computer because it can't yell back. Thanks, Dan bozack@blkbox.com
From: bozack@blkbox.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: looking for new getty Date: 25 Jun 1997 04:20:35 GMT Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Message-ID: <5oq6aj$8nj@news.blkbox.com> References: <5oq4mj$8j8@news.blkbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: bozack@blkbox.com I figured it out .. took me, what, 30 minutes after the original post? :) I found some more options for stripping the eigth bit on the terminal, and instead of the usual 8N1, 7E1, 7O1, etc etc that I'd been trying, I tried the "Space" parity .. I have -NO- idea what that is, but HEY! IT WORKED! Now I can be cyber from all over my house. I jsut wanted to thank you guys so much .. and hopefully you won't have to hear a whole lot from me unless I'm trying my best to answer someone else's questions. Thanks, Dan bozack@blkbox.com
From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 128MB RAM in a NeXT Turbo? Date: 23 Jun 1997 21:40:20 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <5omqg4$1er8@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5ognlh$5jr@agate.berkeley.edu> <onf3o4W00iVG028qI0@andrew.cmu.edu> >> Can I install 128MB RAM in my NeXT Turbo...ie. four 32MB SIMMS? > >Most probably, yes. Most definitely, yes. >I think a few Turbo motherboards were designed with 8 30-pin SIMM slots >(which would max out at 32MB) instead of 4 72-pin SIMM slots (which >maxes at 128 MB), but the latter is what most people have. No. All "Turbo" motherboards can have four 72-pin slots for up to 128MB. This includes _all_ 33MHz machines and also the 25MHz NeXTstation "Turbo" and 25MHz NeXTcube "Turbo" (the latter two are documented in the NeXT service manual though I've never personally seen a non-33MHz Turbo machine). The only NeXT machines with 30-pin SIMMs are the original 030 NeXT Computer (aka "cube") and 1st generation 25MHz NeXTcube (16 slots), and 1st generation 25MHz NeXTstation and NeXTstation color (8 slots). [Aside - strictly speaking, the "Turbo" designation has to do with the motherboard design and not whether it has a 25MHz vs 33MHz processor, though all 33MHz motherboards were the newer "Turbo" design] - Gareth -- Gareth Bestor bestor@cs.wisc.edu Computer Sciences Department http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bestor University of Wisconsin-Madison
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Ok, now this is crazy Date: 25 Jun 1997 04:30:36 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5oqvgs$aeg@idiom.com> References: <maury-2406971311150001@199.166.204.230> maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) writes: > Here's to hoping this install on Mac hardware is easy, because I'm about >to give up on it. The long and short of it, Maury, is that hardware in the Intel world is still an inexcusable, bleeding mess. You wouldn't have this trouble on a NeXT slab, a Sparc 20, or even an HP Gecko. This is why I expect people to continue to buy Mac hardware once Rhapsody comes out both for Mac's and PC's. The mac's will just work. The PC's will keep coming up with more half-implemented approximations of Macintosh's capabilities (Plug and play? Hah!) that break the install procedures of everything that doesn't generate revenue for microsquish. Intel boxes suck. I'm gong to keep using my NeXT slabs until rhapsody comes out for the powermacs. -jcr
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:23:42 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also a parable on why you should never buy a PC. Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work (after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... ...and now the boot floppy is dead. I give up. Maury
From: scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 25 Jun 1997 21:41:54 GMT Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> NNTP-Posting-User: scholl Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: : Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also : a parable on why you should never buy a PC. : Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting : a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one : step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD : both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. : Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the you make it sound like a brand new computer, which i'm assuming it wasn't cause further down, you say it isn't yours. so all pc's are damned cause a pc you borrowed from someone didn't work? who knows what was done to it before you got your hands on it... : primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing : at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I : attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this : time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the randomly trying different configs rarely works... : floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after : all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside : down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented those stupid things?!?! =) : Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work : (after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the : jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 : minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... : ...and now the boot floppy is dead. you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? sounds like you either knocked loose a power or a data cable. -ed
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 25 Jun 1997 22:23:42 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: > [...] so all pc's are damned cause > a pc you borrowed from someone didn't work? [...] I think he is damning them because the typical PC clone hardware is sh*t, nothing more and nothing less. He's just giving one more example for why he feels that way and I can't say I much blame him for thinking it. Given how long the technology has had to mature, there is IMHO no excuse for *anybody* to have to go through what Maury has been going through. And you really do have to blame the hardware as much or more than OPENSTEP. If you are lucky and get decent enough hardware, OPENSTEP installs great and it is a joy to use--lots nicer than any other commercial WinTel OS. But hardware like that tends to cost *more* that the typical Mac because you have to buy premium parts, and most folks won't pay the price. So the majority of PeeCee hardware is pure crapola. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: David Hinz <dhinz@dna406.dna.mci.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: comp.sys.next.announce postings? Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:47:53 -0600 Organization: MCI Message-ID: <33B19209.2F1C@dna406.dna.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Over the last two or three weeks I have not seen any postings to comp.sys.next.announce. Has the newsgroup changed to a different name? Is there nothing to be announced? Maybe my news server dropped the group. Does anyone know if postings are going to comp.sys.next.announce? dave. -- David Hinz E-mail: dhinz@dna406.dna.mci.com
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:32:57 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> Don Yacktman wrote in article <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com>... :I think he is damning them because the typical PC clone :hardware is sh*t, nothing more and nothing less. He's :just giving one more example for why he feels that way :and I can't say I much blame him for thinking it. Given :how long the technology has had to mature, there is IMHO :no excuse for *anybody* to have to go through what Maury :has been going through. And you really do have to blame :the hardware as much or more than OPENSTEP. If you are :lucky and get decent enough hardware, OPENSTEP installs :great and it is a joy to use--lots nicer than any other :commercial WinTel OS. But hardware like that tends to :cost *more* that the typical Mac because you have to buy :premium parts, and most folks won't pay the price. So :the majority of PeeCee hardware is pure crapola. Spoken like a truely closed minded person. You have obviously not looked at parts prices lately. I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic card that is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is none, it has a five year warranty and easy to contact support. You can get a 4mb WRAM Millennium for $169, NEC memory for $55 each 16mb, and a Panasonic 24x CD-ROM for $112. Of course you could just tell me that these brands are crap, but you'll be blowing hot air. As for installing these things, most normal people have absolutely no problems figuring out which end of the cable goes there. There is a little red strip on the 1st cable of the ribbon, and on any decent motherboard there is a little one on the end of the connector where that 1st cable of the ribbon goes. The process is the same for the drive, and most drives even have a notch on the connector to make it completely idiot proof. If you know how to install SIMMs or DIMMs, a ribbon cable for an IDE drive isn't that difficult. Getting good hardware for a PC isn't about luck, and neither is installing it. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: datamagik@usa.net (Jay Riley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:37:47 -0500 Organization: DATAMAGIK € Systems, Software, & Design Engineering Message-ID: <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> In article <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also >a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > > Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting >a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one >step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD >both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. > > Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the >primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing >at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I >attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this >time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the >floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after >all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside >down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > > Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work >(after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the >jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 >minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > > ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > > I give up. Maury, I know you've probably had enough wintel aggravation, but if you're up to it would you try this: try installing it under VPC. My impression (very possibly mistaken) is that installations go a little easier with VirtualPC for the simple reason that it can skip some of the more painful setup procedures because it is (after all) an emulator. If that doesn't appeal to you (and your agreement with Apple doesn't prohibit it) maybe you could send ME your preview copy and let me monkey with it on a colleague's machine running VPC. I hope to be back in Apple's Developer Program within the next several weeks (my first time back since they canned the free "Certified Developer" program and went to their current scheme). I don't know if that will make this suggestion more permissible. If none of this is possible maybe another Mac afficiando with Rhapsody Preview will read this, try it, and tell us what happened. Regards, Jay -- ===================================================================== = DATAMAGIK Systems, Software & Design Engineering Austin, Texas = 1-888-369-5741 <http://lonestar.texas.net/~riley> riley@texas.net = = Created on an Apple Macintosh PowerBook 5300cs running Mac®OS 7.6.1 =
From: datamagik@usa.net (Jay Riley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:45:46 -0500 Organization: DATAMAGIK € Systems, Software, & Design Engineering Message-ID: <datamagik-2506971845470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> In article <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: >Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: >: Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also >: a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > >: Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting >: a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one >: step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD >: both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. >: Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the > >you make it sound like a brand new computer, which i'm assuming it wasn't >cause further down, you say it isn't yours. so all pc's are damned cause >a pc you borrowed from someone didn't work? who knows what was done to >it before you got your hands on it... > >: primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing >: at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I >: attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this >: time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the > >randomly trying different configs rarely works... Sounds to me like he systematically went through the possible combinations. Is it possible that wintel PC's are exponentially more complicated and prone to screwups than Macintoshes and MacOS PCs? >: floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after >: all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside >: down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > >and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented >those stupid things?!?! =) A weak analogy at best...you can't burn out a pair of pants by putting them on backwards. It's more like having a fitting in your "unleaded only" vehicle to prevent you from accidentally putting in the wrong fuel and wrecking your car. >: Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work >: (after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the >: jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 >: minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > >: ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > >you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? sounds like you >either knocked loose a power or a data cable. Ah, the simple beauty of Macintosh...I plug stuff in and it WORKS. Like this Packard Bell monitor I cannabalized from my cousin's wintel box. Just plugged it into my (1995) PowerBook 5300cs and *presto!*, I've got two screens with windows and icons on each. I can even change resolution, relative position, and which one is the main screen, ON THE FLY. Regards, Jay Riley/Owner, DATAMAGIK -- ===================================================================== = DATAMAGIK Systems, Software & Design Engineering Austin, Texas = 1-888-369-5741 <http://lonestar.texas.net/~riley> riley@texas.net = = Created on an Apple Macintosh PowerBook 5300cs running Mac®OS 7.6.1 =
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:37:00 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> In article <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: > you make it sound like a brand new computer, which i'm assuming it wasn't > cause further down, you say it isn't yours. The machine is about 2 months old with pre-installed Win95 and Office., > so all pc's are damned cause > a pc you borrowed from someone didn't work? No, they're dambed because when you need to do something, like switch from two masters on primary and secondary, to running master/slave on the primary, it doesn't work. They're also dambed because the IDIOTS that designed these CRAPPY standards like IDE were too STUPID to make so the damb plug would fit in only one way! > who knows what was done to it before you got your hands on it... I do. > randomly trying different configs rarely works... Yes, but following the directions out of the manual is what I was doing, not "randomly trying different configs". > and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented > those stupid things?!?! =) No actually, you can't, you'll notice it instantly. There is no such thing on IDE, the connector is the same on the top and bottom so there's no way to know if it's hooked up wrong. Why is it that with every connector in my Mac I am unable to plug it in the wrong way? Why can't the people building PC's do the same thing? This costs NOTHING. > you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? No, read the message. The boot floopy is dead. Not the boot floppy drive. > sounds like you either knocked loose a power or a data cable. Hey, if you want to offer a suggestion, fine. If you want to make snide remarks after reading a single message in a long thread, go away. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:39:13 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2506972039130001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> In article <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net>, datamagik@usa.net (Jay Riley) wrote: > I know you've probably had enough wintel aggravation, but if you're up to > it would you try this: try installing it under VPC. I tried. It was going to take something like four hours to install on my 7200/120, which wasn't very inspiring. It did work though, which says a lot - changing to master/slave required nothing more than clicking on an icon. > If that doesn't appeal to you (and your agreement with Apple doesn't > prohibit it) maybe you could send ME your preview copy and let me monkey > with it on a colleague's machine running VPC. I'd love to, but without that boot floppy I don't know what good it is. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:43:03 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2506972043030001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> In article <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: > Spoken like a truely closed minded person. You have obviously not looked > at parts prices lately. I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec > SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic card that > is faster and costs half as much. Ummm, what the heck are you talking about? SCSI controllers? Memory prices? > crap, but you'll be blowing hot air. As for installing these things, most > normal people have absolutely no problems figuring out which end of the > cable goes there. Well good for them, I guess being a physicist and working in the computer industry for the last seven years makes me abnormal. Look, there was NO IDENTIFYING MARKS on the cable, and it plugged in both ways. This is not my fault, don't you dare try to blame this on me! > There is a little red strip on the 1st cable of the > ribbon Not on this one. > and on any decent motherboard there is a little one on the end of > the connector where that 1st cable of the ribbon goes. Not on this one. Nor is the port on the motherboard indicated in any way. > same for the drive, and most drives even have a notch on the connector to > make it completely idiot proof. My NEX 8X didn't. > If you know how to install SIMMs or DIMMs, > a ribbon cable for an IDE drive isn't that difficult. I know how, they can't plug in the wrong way. Maury
From: "Brian Johnson" <brianjay@gate.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:59:07 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Message-ID: <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> Hi Maury, I got the two ide option to work by making the CDRom the slave of the Hard Drive. (wouldn't work as two primary which is how my system was configured) You might also think about getting a copy partition magic which will help you repartition your drive for install. I found out all I could be searching for nextstep and IDE on dejanews. I printed out the info so it would be handy when I installed. Hope this helps, Brian Brian Johnson http://www.gate.net/~brianjay Maury Markowitz wrote in article ... > Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also >a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > > Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting >a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one >step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD >both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. > > Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the >primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing >at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I >attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this >time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the >floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after >all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside >down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > > Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work >(after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the >jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 >minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > > ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > > I give up. > >Maury >
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:16:43 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5osfts$t3q@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <maury-2506972043030001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz wrote in article ... :In article <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" :<wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: : :> Spoken like a truely closed minded person. You have obviously not looked :> at parts prices lately. I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec :> SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic card that :> is faster and costs half as much. : : Ummm, what the heck are you talking about? SCSI controllers? Memory prices? Ah, if you hadn't cut the part of the post where I had these prices, you'd see what I'm talking about. Sure, I could list a couple dozen examples, but I don't have that much time. Go back and look, I mentioned SCSI controller prices, video card prices, CD-ROM prices, and memory prices. It's all there. The previous poster said that you had to pay much higher prices to get good PC equipment, I posted examples that he is wrong. : :> crap, but you'll be blowing hot air. As for installing these things, most :> normal people have absolutely no problems figuring out which end of the :> cable goes there. : : Well good for them, I guess being a physicist and working in the :computer industry for the last seven years makes me abnormal. Look, there :was NO IDENTIFYING MARKS on the cable, and it plugged in both ways. This :is not my fault, don't you dare try to blame this on me! Okay, sorry if that was a little snappy. But the computers that I have set up have had red on the 1st cable of the ribbon. And the motherboards have had clear markings. On the other hand, only one set could not be plugged in both ways. I'm sure that you can get a motherboard without markings, and ribbons without the 1st cable marked, but these are not typical in PCs. : :> There is a little red strip on the 1st cable of the :> ribbon : : Not on this one. : :> and on any decent motherboard there is a little one on the end of :> the connector where that 1st cable of the ribbon goes. : : Not on this one. Nor is the port on the motherboard indicated in any way. : :> same for the drive, and most drives even have a notch on the connector to :> make it completely idiot proof. : : My NEX 8X didn't. Most drives either have a notch, or a diagram on the drive indicating which way to install the cable. : :> If you know how to install SIMMs or DIMMs, :> a ribbon cable for an IDE drive isn't that difficult. : : I know how, they can't plug in the wrong way. : I don't know what kind of motherboard that you are using, but all of the motherboards that I have used, four different brands, had easy to read markings on the board for settings, not just for setting up the IDE drives, but whatever jumpers you might need to set (not that you really need to set those all the time). And while shopping for motherboards, the half dozen or so brands that I looked through (the one's whos diagrams were large enough to see the details) had markings. These motherboards are neither rare, nor more expensive than others. I'm sorry that you got badly designed equipment, but this is not typical. You can get decent PC equipment, that works much more often than not, for good prices, and with less effort than all the FUD that I see here would have you believe. If you are going to get another motherboard, I would suggest a Tyan, Asus, Abit, or Supermicro. Although I have only used the Tyan, all that I have seen on the newsgroups and websites suggest that all these brands offer similar performance and ease of use. You can get a new TX motherboard with 512kb L2 and UltraDMA IDE controller that has no jumpers from Abit for $140. All the settings are done through a menu interface, those that aren't set automatically. PC equipment isn't the wasteland of defects and conflicts that is portrayed in newsgroups like this. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:44:15 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz wrote in article ... : Hey, if you want to offer a suggestion, fine. If you want to make snide :remarks after reading a single message in a long thread, go away. I have a few suggestions. If you can not get the computer to power up at all, turn the power on and nothing happens or it beeps and nothing happens, remove the IDE cables and the floppy cables. The first thing you need to do is to get it so it comes on, worry about booting later. Next attach the primary IDE cable to the primary drive and the primary controller on the motherboard, then turn the power on. If your IDE cable has two connectors, the master drive should go on the end connector. If the computer boots, or at least comes on and doesn't give a hard drive failure message, you're one step down. If not, reverse one connector and try again. Continue reversing connectors until it comes on and does not have a hard drive failure message. Then do the same with the secondary, if you have a secondary drive. A CD-ROM should be on the secondary controller. Finally do the same on the floppy drives and controllers. I'd like to know what kind of computer you have, because I haven't worked on any that really needed this kind of process. Sorry if some of my posts have been snappy, but sometimes it is hard to seperate the FUD from the facts in advocacy groups. And I'm not just talking about Mac users complaining about their horrible PC experiences, I've seen PC users complain about Mac problems that must sound just as brain dead as some of those PC problems I've read about. I would suggest that if you can't get it running within a day that you try and return it or exchange it for one that has proper markings on the cables and motherboard, because when I read your posts I thought that your problem was unacceptable, even for a PC. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: tcondon@isp.net (Tom Condon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:01:07 -0700 Message-ID: <tcondon-2506971901070001@204.153.195.187> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> Bummer. I got my Prelude to Rhapsody up and running the same day I got it. I can only guess that I was lucky enough to have the right configuration. (Micron Millenia Pro2 Plus).
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:36:03 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 25-Jun-97 Re: I give up, Prelude is i.. by "William Lowe"@spamlesse > Spoken like a truely closed minded person. You have obviously not looked > at parts prices lately. I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec > SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic card that > is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is none, it has a five > year warranty and easy to contact support. Have you ever heard of Canon's object.station line of Intel hardware? They made decent (but still fairly expensive) machines, and they used a PCI BusLogic controller instead of an Adaptec. That card tends to be the second thing to cause problems, right after the floppy controller. > You can get a 4mb WRAM Millennium for $169, NEC memory for $55 each 16mb, > and a Panasonic 24x CD-ROM for $112. Funny thing about IDE multispeed drives-- they tend to cost about half of what the SCSI versions do, but they also tend to have miserable track-to-track seek times, and they break on a regular basis. I'd already gotten service on an 8x Creative Labs CDP-820 (a NEC drive which was bundled with the SB-32 PnP in a "multimedia kit") after six months, and they replaced it with the CDP-820C or some such, and now that is starting to give me problems. [ ... ] > Getting good hardware for a PC isn't about luck, and neither is installing > it. No, it's about that cliche "you get what you pay for". -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@onevision.de (Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: Ok, now this is crazy Message-ID: <ECCEM7.70u@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <maury-2406971311150001@199.166.204.230> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:44:31 GMT In article <maury-2406971311150001@199.166.204.230> maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) writes: > Giving up on ever getting the install to work with a SCSI HD and a ATAPI > CD-ROM, I finally broke down and grabbed the SCSI CD-ROM off of the Indy > and hooked it up. > That maybe the problem! A lot of SCSI CD-ROM drives of UNIX workstations are jumpered for a different block size than normal ( I guess it was 512 versus 2048 on normal drives). This might be the reason for your problems, but I do not know about the Indy drive... ====================================================================== Hans Stoeger OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH Support Zeiss-Strasse 9 Email: hans@onevision.de D-93053 Regensburg No big mails, Please! Germany
From: davewang@wam.umd.edu.@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 26 Jun 1997 02:48:26 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <5osl9r$ski$2@hecate.umd.edu> Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: : In article <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, : scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: : > you make it sound like a brand new computer, which i'm assuming it wasn't : > cause further down, you say it isn't yours. : The machine is about 2 months old with pre-installed Win95 and Office., : > so all pc's are damned cause : > a pc you borrowed from someone didn't work? : No, they're dambed because when you need to do something, like switch : from two masters on primary and secondary, to running master/slave on the : primary, it doesn't work. They're also dambed because the IDIOTS that : designed these CRAPPY standards like IDE were too STUPID to make so the : damb plug would fit in only one way! I'm sorry that you got a cheap cable, but if you look at the IDE drive, there is a notch there, and some cables have the notch, and some do not. I also have a 50 pin SCSI cable without a notch, and I could have plugged it in backwards as well if I didn't remember or know the orientation of the cable. I don't like the older IDE drives, (older than 3 or 4 years) you had to look up the Master/Slave jumper settings, but all the IDE drives that I see in the last 3 or 4 years have the master/slave settings clearly labeled. I don't ever recall having a problem setting Master/slave with these drives/CD-ROM. There are only 3 possible settings for any IDE drive. Master with slave, Master without slave, or slave. (sometimes Master with or without salve is the same setting on some drives) You have to change jumper settings to go from Master/Slave on the same cable. to being two masters on two different cables. I'm sorry that you didn't know this, but I know that you don't expect to move SCSI drives from one computer to another without checking SCSI-ID's do you? You can't put two devices on the same chain without making sure that they all have different ID's, and you have to make sure that they're properly terminated. take a device off and forget to re-enable termination, or if you don't have a terminator..... sometimes it works, sometimes there are these subtle errors.... : > who knows what was done to it before you got your hands on it... : I do. : > randomly trying different configs rarely works... : Yes, but following the directions out of the manual is what I was doing, : not "randomly trying different configs". NeXTStep was, and probably still is rather finicky to install. I've managed to do it on about 5 different machines, (not on the hardware compatibility list) It's been my experience that if it's on the hardware compatibility list, it'll ofcourse work, but if this is a generic clone, you have about an 80% success rate, and the other 20% of the time, no matter what you do, NeXTStep just won't install. : > and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented : > those stupid things?!?! =) : No actually, you can't, you'll notice it instantly. There is no such : thing on IDE, the connector is the same on the top and bottom so there's : no way to know if it's hooked up wrong. Well, maybe I would know a bit more, since I did work for a PC manufacturer for a while doing the harddrive certification, but in my experience, all The IDE drives have pin 1 (denoted by the red stripe on the cable) closer to the power supply plug. I've never hooked up an IDE drive wrong in the last 4 years. It's impossible for you to know this ofcourse, but once you get used to it, it's impossible to go wrong. (this brings up a humorous sidenote, I once went to work wearing my shirt inside out. I was too tired to notice. I sat through a meeting, and a chat with my supervisor, and he finally pointed it out to me. I was rather embarassed. So yes, it is possible to wear your shirt backwards and not notice.) : Why is it that with every connector in my Mac I am unable to plug it in : the wrong way? Why can't the people building PC's do the same thing? : This costs NOTHING. it costs slightly extra to make/design your own connectors. with Apple's volume, they should be able to offset most of the slighly extra cost, but there is nothing which compares to buying 10000 connectors from a vendor who makes 50 Million of them a year, and he's competitor makes 100 Million units of the same thing a year. This is the same idea behind PPCP, to get rid of specially designed chipset/connectors, and use industry standard parts. The notch is already there on the IDE drive/cable. when and if you ever have need to buy one, be sure to ask for one with a notch for your own safty and protection. : > you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? : No, read the message. The boot floopy is dead. Not the boot floppy drive. : > sounds like you either knocked loose a power or a data cable. : Hey, if you want to offer a suggestion, fine. If you want to make snide : remarks after reading a single message in a long thread, go away. : Maury
From: "Kenneth R. Kinder" <asdf@asdf.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:24:07 -0600 Organization: Dimensional Communications Message-ID: <33B1E0D7.1AE78E68@asdf.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This email address is bogus to prevent spamming. My real one is Ken@KenAndTed.com I agree with you 100%, Edward. This guy yelling about all his problems with his IDE ports reminds me of someone saying "So, I stuck a paperclip in the socket, and it shocked me!!! Electricity sucks, and should never be used!!" Edward P Scholl wrote: > > Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: > : Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also > : a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > > : Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting > : a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one > : step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD > : both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. > : Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the > > you make it sound like a brand new computer, which i'm assuming it wasn't > cause further down, you say it isn't yours. so all pc's are damned cause > a pc you borrowed from someone didn't work? who knows what was done to > it before you got your hands on it... > > : primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing > : at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I > : attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this > : time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the > > randomly trying different configs rarely works... > > : floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after > : all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside > : down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > > and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented > those stupid things?!?! =) > > : Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work > : (after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the > : jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 > : minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > > : ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > > you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? sounds like you > either knocked loose a power or a data cable. > > -ed -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kenneth R. Kinder Ken@KenAndTed.com - http://www.KenAndTed.com/KensBookmark/ "An open architecture is a terrible thing to lose." PGP FingerPrints: AC 63 8E FC 56 OC 6E F2 55 68 16 E4 07 62 12 32 ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: davelow@ix.netcom.com (Dave Low) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:11:50 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <davelow-ya023680002506972311500001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: > Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: [snip] > : Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work > : (after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the > : jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 > : minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > > : ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > > you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? sounds like you > either knocked loose a power or a data cable. > > -ed Actually a buddy of mine experienced the same problem installing an additional HD. During the two to three hour episode of trying to get the thing running, at one point the floppy wouldn't boot. It was somewhat amusing watching the "PC guru" sweating and cursing over something that should be a trivial task. -- Dave Low davelow@ix.netcom.com
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:24:05 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5osqt7$m3a@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com><5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger wrote in article <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> ... :Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 25-Jun-97 Re: I give up, :Prelude is i.. by "William Lowe"@spamlesse :> Spoken like a truely closed minded person. You have obviously not looked :> at parts prices lately. I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec :> SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic card that :> is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is none, it has a five :> year warranty and easy to contact support. : :Have you ever heard of Canon's object.station line of Intel hardware? :They made decent (but still fairly expensive) machines, and they used a :PCI BusLogic controller instead of an Adaptec. BusLogic was purchased by Mylex, not sure when. I noticed that they have posted that older (those purchased a year or two ago) are only covered by a 1 year warranty. All new controllers have a five year warranty. I have a Buslogic LT controller, a new one with the 5 year warranty, and it was a breeze to install and hasn't given me any trouble at all. I've seen plenty of good reviews of Mylex products, and of Buslogic's. Maybe that is because Mylex bought them, don't know. :> You can get a 4mb WRAM Millennium for $169, NEC memory for $55 each 16mb, :> and a Panasonic 24x CD-ROM for $112. : :Funny thing about IDE multispeed drives-- they tend to cost about half :of what the SCSI versions do, but they also tend to have miserable :track-to-track seek times, and they break on a regular basis. I won't despute that, and I wouldn't buy a IDE CD-ROM. How about a Toshiba 12x SCSI CD-ROM for $116. :No, it's about that cliche "you get what you pay for". : I'll go along with that. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: stevehix@DeleteToReplysafemail.com (Steve Hix) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:34:05 -0700 Organization: South Valley Internet Message-ID: <stevehix-2506972134050001@ip30.safemail.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> In article <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: > Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: > > : floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after > : all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside > : down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > > and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented > those stupid things?!?! =) That's just stupid design. Any reasonable connector should be either impossible or difficult to put together wrong. At the very least keyed to make improper connection noticeable.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.announce postings? Date: 26 Jun 1997 03:59:01 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5ospe5$23t$1@news.digifix.com> References: <33B19209.2F1C@dna406.dna.mci.com> In-Reply-To: <33B19209.2F1C@dna406.dna.mci.com> On 06/25/97, David Hinz wrote: >Over the last two or three weeks I have not seen any postings to >comp.sys.next.announce. Has the newsgroup changed to a different name? >Is there nothing to be announced? Maybe my news server dropped the >group. > >Does anyone know if postings are going to comp.sys.next.announce? > Yes, there have been postings to comp.sys.next.announce in the last two-three weeks. 24 by my count... and they are getting out there according to feedback I've been getting.. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: abuse@127.0.0.1 (Grandmaster Demonlord Toadeater) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:28:38 GMT Organization: -= BEYOND Entertainment Software =- (see message for address) Message-ID: <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented >> those stupid things?!?! =) > > No actually, you can't, you'll notice it instantly. There is no such >thing on IDE, the connector is the same on the top and bottom so there's >no way to know if it's hooked up wrong. Notice that red line on the edge of the ribbon? That tells you where pin 1 is located. Look on the motherboard and see where it says 1 or has a small triangle. Match the red line with that. > Why is it that with every connector in my Mac I am unable to plug it in >the wrong way? Why can't the people building PC's do the same thing? >This costs NOTHING. Dunno, they prefer to use "weird" systems like the above for marking things. >> you killed the floppy while trying to fix the cd and hd? > > No, read the message. The boot floopy is dead. Not the boot floppy drive. Sounds like you did have some cables plugged in backwards at least at one point, that can kill a floppy. ----==< B E Y O N D >==---- - E N T E R T A I N M E N T - http://www.cybervendors.com/beyond/ --- Choose A New Reality! ----------------- -----------------Reply To:toadeatr@bway.net ICQ UIN: 1409335
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 26 Jun 1997 01:44:43 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: > Don Yacktman wrote in article <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com>... >:I think he is damning them because the typical PC clone >:hardware is sh*t, nothing more and nothing less. He's >:just giving one more example for why he feels that way >:and I can't say I much blame him for thinking it. Given >:how long the technology has had to mature, there is IMHO >:no excuse for *anybody* to have to go through what Maury >:has been going through. And you really do have to blame >:the hardware as much or more than OPENSTEP. If you are >:lucky and get decent enough hardware, OPENSTEP installs >:great and it is a joy to use--lots nicer than any other >:commercial WinTel OS. But hardware like that tends to >:cost *more* that the typical Mac because you have to buy >:premium parts, and most folks won't pay the price. So >:the majority of PeeCee hardware is pure crapola. >Spoken like a truely closed minded person. No, spoken like a truly experienced person. Let me add, speaking as one who has installed many versions of many OS's on Intel hardware over the years, I second it. >You have obviously not looked at parts prices lately. Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is cheap? You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but boy is it cheap! You get what you pay for. >>I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec >SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic >card that is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is >none, it has a five year warranty and easy to contact support. Oh, there's a catch all right, and you just indvertently pointed it out. You *need* easy to contact support, because it's such a fucking nightmare to get any two add-ons from different manufacturers to co-exist in a PC chassis. I demolished and re-assembled PCs two or three times a day from 1982 to 1984, and when I had to do it again a year ago, six months ago, and last week, I found that it hasn't changed a goddamned bit, except that with the PC luser's half-assed plug and play implementation, the computer now *automatically* fucks up the configuration of the boards, and there aren't even any goddamned jumpers to fix it! THE PC WORLD IS NOT IMPROVING! >You can get a 4mb WRAM Millennium for $169, NEC memory for $55 each >16mb, and a Panasonic 24x CD-ROM for $112. Of course you could >just tell me that these brands are crap, but you'll be blowing hot >air. No, the platform they run in is crap. As a PC add-on manufacturer, you can do everything right, and there will still be some brain-dead BIOS, SCSI card, IDE adapter (now at the new low price of fifty cents, plus the cost of your hypertension medication!) that will not coexist with your board. NEC and Panasonic make perfectly acceptable products, but there is no way they can make up for the fundamental designe flaws inherited from IBM. This is IBM's fault primarily, but there's plenty of blame to go around. (Compaq? Dell? Gateway? Joe's west bumfuck motherboard and storm-door factory? Hang your heads in SHAME! ) >As for installing these things, most normal people have absolutely >no problems figuring out which end of the cable goes there. In well-designed systems, the cable connectors are keyed, and they won't *fit* where they don't go. Try looking at a computer from NeXT, Sun, or HP sometime. [fascinating description of how to compensate for unkeyed connectors deleted.] >Getting good hardware for a PC isn't about luck, and neither is >installing it. That is for sure. If you have to use PC hardware, forget about luck. If you're using a PC, lady luck has left you *far* behind. -jcr
From: Martin Laurent <martin.laurent@interweb.be> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:43:42 +0200 Organization: Brussels Free Universities VUB/ULB Message-ID: <33B263FE.165F@interweb.be> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I tried to install it on VirtualPC (1.0b6) on my PowerBook 5300ce but it didn't work (It display Power Management is Enabled and then nothing). It seems to work on some Mac and not on other. Perhaps I must try with the final version of VPC. Martin Jay Riley wrote: > > In article <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com > (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > > > Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also > >a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > > > > Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting > >a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one > >step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD > >both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. > > > > Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the > >primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing > >at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I > >attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this > >time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the > >floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after > >all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside > >down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > > > > Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work > >(after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the > >jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 > >minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > > > > ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > > > > I give up. > > Maury, > > I know you've probably had enough wintel aggravation, but if you're up to > it would you try this: try installing it under VPC. My impression (very > possibly mistaken) is that installations go a little easier with VirtualPC > for the simple reason that it can skip some of the more painful setup > procedures because it is (after all) an emulator. > > If that doesn't appeal to you (and your agreement with Apple doesn't > prohibit it) maybe you could send ME your preview copy and let me monkey > with it on a colleague's machine running VPC. I hope to be back in Apple's > Developer Program within the next several weeks (my first time back since > they canned the free "Certified Developer" program and went to their > current scheme). I don't know if that will make this suggestion more > permissible. > > If none of this is possible maybe another Mac afficiando with Rhapsody > Preview will read this, try it, and tell us what happened. > > Regards, > > Jay > > -- > > ===================================================================== > = DATAMAGIK Systems, Software & Design Engineering Austin, Texas > = 1-888-369-5741 <http://lonestar.texas.net/~riley> riley@texas.net > = > = Created on an Apple Macintosh PowerBook 5300cs running Mac®OS 7.6.1 > =
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:48:59 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33B2D5BB.7AE7@bit.csc.lsu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > > Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's also > a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > > Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then getting > a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went one > step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD > both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. > > Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on the > primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the thing > at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then I > attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and this > time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot the > floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after > all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside > down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > > Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work > (after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the > jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 > minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > > ...and now the boot floppy is dead. > > I give up. > > Maury OpenStep works just fine on a PC with dual EIDE devices (HD as the primary master, CDROM as the primary slave). You either (a) know nothing about PC hardware and are doing something terribly wrong in hooking things together - not Prelude's fault, or (b) have hardware that is not supported as described at www.next.com and www.apple.com - again, not Prelude's fault (remember, it is prerelease software) I'd be happy to help out where I can. Send to me 1. Manufacturer and model of the CDROM drive, HD, graphics card, etc. 2. Affirmation that you have all cables hooked up correctly (the red line on the side of the IDE ribbon cables indicates pin number 1) 3. The messages you get from the terminal window when booting up. If you can't boot from a floppy, then you have something hooked up incorrectly. You should be able to boot from the boot floppy. What are the specific messages? John
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:59:36 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> John C. Randolph wrote in article <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com>... :"William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: :>Spoken like a truely closed minded person. : :No, spoken like a truly experienced person. Let me add, speaking :as one who has installed many versions of many OS's on Intel :hardware over the years, I second it. : :>You have obviously not looked at parts prices lately. : :Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is cheap? :You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but boy is :it cheap! : :You get what you pay for. Your cliches don't hold water. You managed to ignore that I was referring to BRAND NAME PARTS, not crapola. Matrox, Buslogic, NEC, and Panasonic all made good parts. : :>>I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec :>SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic :>card that is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is :>none, it has a five year warranty and easy to contact support. : :Oh, there's a catch all right, and you just indvertently pointed :it out. You *need* easy to contact support, because it's such a :fucking nightmare to get any two add-ons from different manufacturers :to co-exist in a PC chassis. : Funny, I have add ons from five different manufacturers, Zoom, STB, Buslogic, Orchid, Creative. Those are just the cards, I have two hard drives by different manufacturers, and a SCSI CD-ROM from a third. I didn't have any fucking nightmares, and I never contacted support. :>You can get a 4mb WRAM Millennium for $169, NEC memory for $55 each :>16mb, and a Panasonic 24x CD-ROM for $112. Of course you could :>just tell me that these brands are crap, but you'll be blowing hot :>air. : :No, the platform they run in is crap. As a PC add-on manufacturer, :you can do everything right, and there will still be some brain-dead :BIOS, SCSI card, IDE adapter (now at the new low price of fifty :cents, plus the cost of your hypertension medication!) that will :not coexist with your board. NEC and Panasonic make perfectly :acceptable products, but there is no way they can make up for :the fundamental designe flaws inherited from IBM. : :This is IBM's fault primarily, but there's plenty of blame to go :around. (Compaq? Dell? Gateway? Joe's west bumfuck motherboard :and storm-door factory? Hang your heads in SHAME! ) :>Getting good hardware for a PC isn't about luck, and neither is :>installing it. : :That is for sure. If you have to use PC hardware, forget about :luck. If you're using a PC, lady luck has left you *far* behind. Well then, I must be relying on the benevolence of God for my PC to work, because I have changed my motherboard twice (not because either didn't work but as an upgrade) I have changed my video card from a Diamond Stealth to an STB Lightspeed128, installed a buslogic Flashpoint LT and a SCSI CD-ROM (that took all of ten minutes), installed a second harddrive (that also took ten minutes), installed a 3d accellerator, switched modems and sound cards, and upgraded my processor. And not a damn thing didn't work. Maybe you'd like to explain to me why my machine works, after all according to you PCs are crap and something will conflict. What the hell is it, because I can't find it! "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: KSB <broennic@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:57:33 +0200 Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Message-ID: <33B29F7D.2758F144@online.no> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit William Lowe wrote: > > > Well then, I must be relying on the benevolence of God for my PC to > work, > because I have changed my motherboard twice (not because either didn't > work > but as an upgrade) I have changed my video card from a Diamond Stealth > to > an STB Lightspeed128, installed a buslogic Flashpoint LT and a SCSI > CD-ROM > (that took all of ten minutes), installed a second harddrive (that > also > took ten minutes), installed a 3d accellerator, switched modems and > sound > cards, and upgraded my processor. And not a damn thing didn't work. > Maybe > you'd like to explain to me why my machine works, after all according > to > you PCs are crap and something will conflict. What the hell is it, > because > I can't find it! Yes- I have also changed motherboard twice. I have installed/switched the following hardware: 486 VESA MBoard, 486 25mhz, 50 mhz, 66 mhz CPU (Trade-in deal) Pentium PCI mb PPRO PCI mb Tsenglabs ET4000 ISA videocard S3911 ISA accelerated videocard S3805 VESA acc. vcard. ATI mach64 PCI acc vcard STBLS128 acc. vcard Matrox Millennium 4 mb acc. vcard. WD Caviar 1 gb , Quantum LPS120 mb, LPS270 mb, 2 Fireball 1280mb, Conner 540Amb- harddrives (all IDE) One Creative 2 speed cdrom (Proprietary interface), one Creative 4 speed cd rom. Not ONE of these items have failed me. Regards KSB
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From: KSB <broennic@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:45:10 +0200 Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Message-ID: <33B29C96.41CC2D96@online.no> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's > also > a parable on why you should never buy a PC. > > Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then > getting > a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went > one > step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD > > both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. > > Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on > the > primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the > thing > at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then > I > attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and > this > time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot > the > floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine > after > all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in > upside > down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! Well- the red-striped side of the cable should ALWAYS go on the pin 1/2 side of the connector- that goes for all flat-cable connections in a PC. What you are doing here is externalizing you own mistake- IE if I can't make it work- the design is to blame. SNIP KSB
From: Eric Smalling <Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: System Commander and Netware woes with OS4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:02:24 -0500 Organization: The SABRE Group Message-ID: <33B29290.8C63D67F@amrcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EAD4F29FC793C21AD6502536" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EAD4F29FC793C21AD6502536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to install OS4.1 for Mach on Intel and, thank God had no problems with my EIDE HD/CDROMs! My two problems are: 1. It seems that System Commander's (a multiple OS loader) boot block on my HD is causing OPENSTEP to not recognize my DOS partition. When I have the NeXT installed boot block everything is peachy keen, OS mounts the DOS partition automatically, but with System Commander installed the DOS partition will not mount. (I entered "-v" at the BOOT: prompt and there is some kind of error that flies by when it is, apparently, trying to mount the DOS partition.) I have one HD, an EIDE 2GB with 3 partitions: 700MB as DOS (FAT16), 300MB for UNIX/OpenStep, 1GB NTFS (WinNT) and I need system commander to choose between the 3 OS's. 2. I have TCP/IP connectivity but, here at work, we have many Novel NetWare 3.x and 2.x file servers I need to be able to see. The doc's say to just go to the NextAdmin folder and run the NetWare Manager --- well, it's not there! I checked NeXTAnswers and, in the 4.1 release notes it says that NetWare support is not included in 4.1. Is the NetWare client software available anywhere like it is for Win95/NT/3.1? (I didn't see it on Novell's wed site). Any help would be greatly appreciated! -es -- ____________________________________________________________________ Eric A. Smalling Ft Worth, Texas USA --=== ------=== The Any views expressed are mine alone and are in no ----------- SABRE way the views of AMR or any of it's subsidiaries. ------=== Group --=== email:Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com Corp Web Site: http://www.sabre.com ____________________________________________________________________ --------------EAD4F29FC793C21AD6502536 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Eric Smalling Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Eric Smalling n: Smalling;Eric org: The SABRE Group email;internet: Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com title: Programmer Associate x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------EAD4F29FC793C21AD6502536--
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:51:04 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> In article <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net>, "Brian Johnson" <brianjay@gate.net> wrote: > I got the two ide option to work by making the CDRom the slave of the Hard > Drive. (wouldn't work as two primary which is how my system was configured) > You might also think about getting a copy partition magic which will help > you repartition your drive for install. Well I'm going to try again, someone had a replacement floppy (thanks!) so I'm able to continue. The real issue here is that it's impossible to tell which is the primary IDE bus and which is the secondary neither is marked. Neither is the jumper on the CD or the HD for selection of master/slave, but the guys at NEC helped me out there. Does anyone know if the connectors on an IDE cable make any difference? IE, does the Master have to be the device at the end of the cable, the middle of the cable, or it doesn't matter? Maury
From: nhughes@idir.net (nate) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:47:35 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Communications Message-ID: <33baaac2.418245945@nntp.idir.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33B2D5BB.7AE7@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:48:59 -0500, John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> decided he/she should say: >Maury Markowitz wrote: <snip> >After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine after >> all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside >> down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! If you connect IDE HDDs or floppies backward on a PC, the drive light will remain on constantly. This can be a useful tidbit of info. Nate
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From: datamagik@usa.net (Jay Riley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:28:48 -0500 Organization: DATAMAGIK € Systems, Software, & Design Engineering Message-ID: <datamagik-2606971328480001@tcnet01-25.austin.texas.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33B29C96.41CC2D96@online.no> Remember that new computer buyers: If an experienced engineer can't get a wintel box to work, it's his fault. =) And if HE can't do it are you sure you wouldn't rather get a Macintosh and at least be able to use your computer? -Jay In article <33B29C96.41CC2D96@online.no>, KSB <broennic@online.no> wrote: >Maury Markowitz wrote: > >> Well I just can't take it any more, this was the last straw. It's >> also >> a parable on why you should never buy a PC. >> >> Today I went even further, after trying the machine as is, then >> getting >> a SCSI CD-ROM and not being able to get anything to work, today I went >> one >> step further and got a whole new computer. This one had the HD and CD >> >> both on IDE, which is a supported configuration. >> >> Well no luck. The first attempt with the CD and HD both masters on >> the >> primary and secondary IDE busses worked the best. In that case the >> thing >> at least saw the drive and attempted to talk to it (and failed). Then >> I >> attempted to move it to the slave on the primary bus with the HD, and >> this >> time when I turned it back on NOTHING worked - it wouldn't even boot >> the >> floppy. After a good 10 minutes of worrying (it's not my machine >> after >> all) I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in >> upside >> down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > >Well- the red-striped side of the cable should ALWAYS go on the pin 1/2 >side of the connector- that goes for all flat-cable connections in a PC. >What you are doing here is externalizing you own mistake- IE if I can't >make it work- the design is to blame. > >SNIP > >KSB -- ===================================================================== = DATAMAGIK Systems, Software & Design Engineering Austin, Texas = 1-888-369-5741 <http://lonestar.texas.net/~riley> riley@texas.net = = Created on an Apple Macintosh PowerBook 5300cs running Mac®OS 7.6.1 =
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:59:13 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971359130001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <maury-2506972043030001@199.166.204.230> <5osfts$t3q@winter.erols.com> In article <5osfts$t3q@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: > Ah, if you hadn't cut the part of the post where I had these prices, you'd > see what I'm talking about. Yeah, but who cares? Are you seriously suggesting that I buy new hardware to correct a problem like this when the current stuff is completely functional? Remember, IDE was supposed to solve these driver issues, not create new ones. > in both ways. I'm sure that you can get a motherboard without markings, > and ribbons without the 1st cable marked, but these are not typical in > PCs. Fortunately I've only had to open three machines in the last two years in this manner. Two of these are for the OS install, and neither had a notch on the connector, nor the red stripe. The other did include notes on the motherboard about the interfaces though, and the CD in the other machine also had clearly marked jumpers. But that's the _problem_, you open these things and you're on your own. Combine this with less than clear instructions from NeXT on what exactly is supposed to happen, and you're in for the sort of frustrating ride I've been on for two weeks now! > Most drives either have a notch, or a diagram on the drive indicating which > way to install the cable. If I had a e-camera I'd snap this. It's amazing, because there's no ID's at all. In the case of the last machine the SCSI card has no ID's on it instead only a "Made in Tiawan" sticker and a serial number. Maury
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 26 Jun 1997 18:05:33 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5oub1d$eil$1@cronkite.cygnus.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: maury@softarc.com In <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz wrote: > Does anyone know if the connectors on an IDE cable make any difference? > IE, does the Master have to be the device at the end of the cable, the > middle of the cable, or it doesn't matter? > I have been told by various tech support lines (different answers depending on which manufacturer I was working with) different things about this. Some say "Master must be at the end", some say "Master must be in the middle (ie. closest to the controller)", some say "it doesn't matter, it's the jumper settings that matter", and some say "It matters because the jumper settings _only_ affect which drive spins up first" etc. I do know that if you only have one device on the cable, it doesn't matter which of the two spots it takes. I also know that I have had one PC that had the drives moved back and forth on the cable (without changing their master/slave status) with no effect, but that may have been an unusual circumstance. I'm willing to bet that it depends on your controller and the drives... that or it doesn't matter, and all of those tech support wennies were blowing smoke so they didn't look like they know nothing. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Thought for the day: According to the supreme court, proof of innocence isn't enough to avoid execution if you've exhausted your appeals.
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:25:04 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971425040001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com> In article <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: > motherboard, then turn the power on. If your IDE cable has two connectors, > the master drive should go on the end connector. Now that is helpful. Of course, that's basically impossible because this means the slave (the CD) has to be on the "middle" connector, and the distance from the middle to end connectors is shorter than the distance from the CD to the HD. Sigh. > secondary drive. A CD-ROM should be on the secondary controller. No, it should not. You seem to think I'm complaining about the PC, but that's only one part of it. The issue here is that the NeXTSTEP install requires a very specific hardware setup, one that is not common, and one that is incredibly problematic to set up if it's not that way to begin with. Really, you shouldn't offer the advice before you know what the problem is in the first place. This has been a two week ongoing process and you have simply jumped in at the end. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:47:25 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971447250001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > No, it's about that cliche "you get what you pay for". In this particular case it's that, and the specific needs of this install. If the NeXT drivers could support a CD on one bus and a HD on the other this wouldn't be a problem. However, the hardware doesn't help either, making a straightforward modification almost impossible. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:19:30 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971519300001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <33B1E0D7.1AE78E68@asdf.com> In article <33B1E0D7.1AE78E68@asdf.com>, "Kenneth R. Kinder" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote: > I agree with you 100%, Edward. This guy yelling about all his problems > with his IDE ports reminds me of someone saying "So, I stuck a paperclip > in the socket, and it shocked me!!! Electricity sucks, and should never > be used!!" Oh what a US-centric view. In most other countries it's not possible to stick anything but a normal plug into the socket for just this reason. However your analogy is pretty much wrong. There are devices in the world that when stuck into the socket upside down will not work. They all have one prong larger than the other so that this cannot happen. So basically that's just a dumb comment. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:21:07 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971521070001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> In article <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net>, abuse@127.0.0.1 wrote: > Notice that red line on the edge of the ribbon? No, because there isn't one. > Dunno, they prefer to use "weird" systems like the above for marking > things. Yes, like system that you can't screw up even if you try to. How "weird". > Sounds like you did have some cables plugged in backwards at least at > one point, that can kill a floppy. So can a million other things. Considering this floppy wasn't even in the drive in the time it stopped working, I find this difficult to believe. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:24:20 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> In article <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is cheap? > You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but boy is > it cheap! I should say the reason I posted was to calm down - sorry for taking it all out on you in the process. However, this is a good area to comment. I've now been told that if I didn't have such a cheap machine it would install find and this IDE issue wouldn't be a problem. In the same message we get that PC's are cheap and you can buy cheap parts to replace them.... > You get what you pay for. Exactly. You can't have it both ways. > In well-designed systems, the cable connectors are keyed, and they > won't *fit* where they don't go. Try looking at a computer from NeXT, > Sun, or HP sometime. And I'm sure they are in some - perhaps most - PC's as well. That still doesn't make me feel any better when I powered up and nothing started spinning. Maury
From: postmaster@cyberpromo.com (-=+ JAZZ CLASSICS+=-) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:36:33 GMT Organization: -=+ JAZZ CLASSICS +=- Message-ID: <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:51:04 -0400, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: >In article <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net>, "Brian Johnson" ><brianjay@gate.net> wrote: > >> I got the two ide option to work by making the CDRom the slave of the Hard >> Drive. (wouldn't work as two primary which is how my system was configured) >> You might also think about getting a copy partition magic which will help >> you repartition your drive for install. > > Well I'm going to try again, someone had a replacement floppy (thanks!) >so I'm able to continue. The real issue here is that it's impossible to >tell which is the primary IDE bus and which is the secondary neither is >marked. Neither is the jumper on the CD or the HD for selection of >master/slave, but the guys at NEC helped me out there. Ugh, well it is rough if they didn't provide a diagram of the motherboard or anything. > Does anyone know if the connectors on an IDE cable make any difference? >IE, does the Master have to be the device at the end of the cable, the >middle of the cable, or it doesn't matter? The master should go on the end connector, AFAIK. Also, there is usually a jumper on the drive which picks whether it is master or slave, cable select, or stand-alone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -= JAZZ CLASSICS =- Your source for Jazz for over 20 years! WWW- http://www.jazzclassics.com | E-mail- stashmo@bway.net Phone: 212-477-9532 | Fax: 212-475-3230 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 26 Jun 1997 19:54:17 GMT Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> NNTP-Posting-User: scholl Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: : However, this is a good area to comment. I've now been told that if I : didn't have such a cheap machine it would install find and this IDE issue : wouldn't be a problem. In the same message we get that PC's are cheap and : you can buy cheap parts to replace them.... : > You get what you pay for. : Exactly. You can't have it both ways. well, as in everything you buy, there is a difference between inexpensive cheap and poor quality cheap when it comes to computers. you just shouldn't buy the poor quality stuff. -ed
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From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:57:31 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> In article <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net>, see .sig for real address wrote: > The master should go on the end connector, AFAIK. Also, there is > usually a jumper on the drive which picks whether it is master or > slave, cable select, or stand-alone. The CD has a jumper for MA/SL and CS (oddly numbered 3 down, reverse of what you'd think), just what is Cable Select anyway? For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my tests... a) boot b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers c) select EIDE and ATAPI - some have suggested this is actually incorrect and you should instead select the Primary/Secondary settings d) wait for the "window" to appear What happens then (after other brief messages)... hc0: device detected hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected hc0: checking for ATA 1 hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected hc0: resetting drives hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM hc0: LBA supported hc0: IORDY supported Registering hc0 hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) hd0: 4096 sectors hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies Registering hd0 hd0: no label hd0: (reports block size) hd0: (reports disk size in total) IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI Registering sc0 sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command (etc. until it panics) There's no documentation on what any of these messages mean, nor the numbers associated with them. I assume hc0 is a process, and not a device? The HD appears to be fine and gets registered as hd0:, but then we get a line from something saying that disk 1 is ATAPI - but what is disk 1? The HD or the CD? Then it registers sc0:, what is that? the CD? if so, why does it go back to hc0 after that? The messages almost seem randomly generated. Why does it ID the ATAPI CD before ID'ing the HD? Why do we then get another report of the ATAPI drive later, still before it boots it? And why can't it boot it? Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:33:02 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971633020001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <5oub1d$eil$1@cronkite.cygnus.com> In article <5oub1d$eil$1@cronkite.cygnus.com>, jrudd@cygnus.com wrote: > Some say "Master must be at the end", some say "Master must be in the middle > (ie. closest to the controller)", some say "it doesn't matter, it's the > jumper settings that matter", and some say "It matters because the jumper > settings _only_ affect which drive spins up first" etc. Sigh. > I do know that if you only have one device on the cable, it doesn't matter > which of the two spots it takes. Well I've tried it on both ends now, it doesn't make a difference as far as I can see. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Ok, now this is crazy Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:05:39 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971705390001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2406971311150001@199.166.204.230> <ECCEM7.70u@onevision.de> In article <ECCEM7.70u@onevision.de>, hans@onevision.de wrote: > That maybe the problem! A lot of SCSI CD-ROM drives of UNIX workstations > are jumpered for a different block size than normal ( I guess it was 512 > versus 2048 on normal drives). This might be the reason for your problems, > but I do not know about the Indy drive... Yeah, someone else wrote me with the same point, and noted that it definitely has the problem. Fun, joy. Maury
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:10:18 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <gngiX_K00iV_070nw0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> <maury-2606971447250001@199.166.204.230> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 26-Jun-97 Re: I give up, Prelude is i.. by Maury Markowitz@softarc. > In this particular case it's that, and the specific needs of this > install. If the NeXT drivers could support a CD on one bus and a HD on > the other this wouldn't be a problem. However, the hardware doesn't help > either, making a straightforward modification almost impossible. Hmm...take a look at: <URL=http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2265.htmld/2265.html> ...and... <URL=http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2266.htmld/2266.html>. "New Driver / Update Description: Use the following installation instructions when installing from a CD-ROM drive connected to the secondary EIDE controller: 1. Select Primary/Secondary(Dual) EIDE and ATAPI Device Controllers as the hard disk driver. 2. After the install program has finished reading from the CD-ROM, the Configure panel will appear. Double-click the Other icon. If the Primary/Secondary(Dual) EIDE and ATAPI Device Controllers driver is listed, remove it from the list. It is no longer necessary since the installation from the CD-ROM is complete. Add the appropriate EIDE driver to match your EIDE hardware configuration. You will need to add it twice to get a second instance of the EIDE driver to support the secondary EIDE controller. You will need to set the IRQ to 15, and I/O port address range to 0x170-0x177 in the second instance of the driver, in order to avoid conflicts with the first instance. Add any other necessary drivers while in Configure, and then click on the Save button." If you get the new (beta) driver, I believe it supports installing with the CD_ROM on the secondary IDE controller. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@erols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:31:33 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5ouu56$qip@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz wrote in article ... >In article <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net>, see .sig for real address wrote: > >> The master should go on the end connector, AFAIK. Also, there is >> usually a jumper on the drive which picks whether it is master or >> slave, cable select, or stand-alone. > > The CD has a jumper for MA/SL and CS (oddly numbered 3 down, reverse of >what you'd think), just what is Cable Select anyway? > > For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my tests... > >a) boot >b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM > - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers >c) select EIDE and ATAPI > - some have suggested this is actually incorrect and you > should instead select the Primary/Secondary settings >d) wait for the "window" to appear > > What happens then (after other brief messages)... > >hc0: device detected >hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected >hc0: checking for ATA 1 >hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected >hc0: resetting drives >hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM >hc0: LBA supported >hc0: IORDY supported >Registering hc0 >hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) >hd0: 4096 sectors >hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies >Registering hd0 >hd0: no label >hd0: (reports block size) >hd0: (reports disk size in total) >IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI >Registering sc0 >sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > >(etc. until it panics) > > There's no documentation on what any of these messages mean, nor the >numbers associated with them. I assume hc0 is a process, and not a >device? The HD appears to be fine and gets registered as hd0:, but then >we get a line from something saying that disk 1 is ATAPI - but what is >disk 1? The HD or the CD? Then it registers sc0:, what is that? the >CD? if so, why does it go back to hc0 after that? > > The messages almost seem randomly generated. Why does it ID the ATAPI >CD before ID'ing the HD? Why do we then get another report of the ATAPI >drive later, still before it boots it? And why can't it boot it? > >Maury If I'm reading this correctly, you have your CD-ROM attached to the Adaptech SCSI card or SCSI connector on the motherboard. If this is the case, it is not ATAPI. But a SCSI CD-ROM does not have jumpers for master and slave. Only ATAPI (also known as IDE) CD-ROMs have settings for master and slave. If this is the case, then you should chose IDE (or ATAPI) for your CD-ROM controller.
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@erols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:43:01 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5ouuql$qip@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com> <maury-2606971425040001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz wrote in article ... >In article <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" ><wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: > >> motherboard, then turn the power on. If your IDE cable has two connectors, >> the master drive should go on the end connector. > > Now that is helpful. Of course, that's basically impossible because >this means the slave (the CD) has to be on the "middle" connector, and the >distance from the middle to end connectors is shorter than the distance >from the CD to the HD. Sigh. > >> secondary drive. A CD-ROM should be on the secondary controller. > > No, it should not. You seem to think I'm complaining about the PC, but >that's only one part of it. The issue here is that the NeXTSTEP install >requires a very specific hardware setup, one that is not common, and one >that is incredibly problematic to set up if it's not that way to begin >with. This actually didn't have to do with anyone particular OS, but it is a property of Intel i430 chipsets. I assumed that you have a motherboard with an Intel chipset because they are more popular with manufacturers. The CD-ROM will work on the primary, but it is slower than if you put it on the secondary controller as the master drive. It has nothing to do with any OS. But if your OS can not read the secondary controller with a CD-ROM, then you can put it on the primary. But it will not be as fast as if it were on the secondary. Don't complain to me, complain to Intel for how they designed it, and complain to Apple for not supporting a very common configuration.
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:06:03 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2606971906030001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> <maury-2606971447250001@199.166.204.230> <gngiX_K00iV_070nw0@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <gngiX_K00iV_070nw0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > <URL=http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2265.htmld/2265.html> ...and... > <URL=http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2266.htmld/2266.html>. > > "New Driver / Update Description: > Use the following installation instructions when installing from a > CD-ROM drive connected to the secondary EIDE controller: > > 1. Select Primary/Secondary(Dual) EIDE and ATAPI > Device Controllers as the hard disk driver. There seems to be no indication of what to select as the CD controller, I assumed it was to be as normal and selected the Adaptech. Using the driver that came with the floppy, it still died in the same fashion. > If you get the new (beta) driver, I believe it supports installing with > the CD_ROM on the secondary IDE controller. Well there's one on the disk that does this too, but it doesn't seem to help the problem at all. It just dies a lot faster in fact. It's all so odd, you can HEAR the CD moving about in response to the commands, they're definitely talking, but I think the Mach drivers just aren't interested. I'd like to try the beta, but the instructions for using the drivers require them to be decompressed in OpenStep (sigh). Any chance someone can send me it uncompressed? How would I then install it, is it simply a file I place at the root of a FAT floppy? Maury
From: datamagik@usa.net (Jay Riley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:29:51 -0500 Organization: DATAMAGIK € Systems, Software, & Design Engineering Message-ID: <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> In article <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: >Maury Markowitz (maury@softarc.com) wrote: > >: However, this is a good area to comment. I've now been told that if I >: didn't have such a cheap machine it would install find and this IDE issue >: wouldn't be a problem. In the same message we get that PC's are cheap and >: you can buy cheap parts to replace them.... > >: > You get what you pay for. > >: Exactly. You can't have it both ways. > >well, as in everything you buy, there is a difference between inexpensive >cheap and poor quality cheap when it comes to computers. you just >shouldn't buy the poor quality stuff. Okay so you're saying wintel PCs are cheaper than Mac PCs, but you shouldn't buy cheap PCs or (functional) Macs? No, wait you're saying that you CAN use cheap stuff if you have expertise to distinguish it from cheap stuff that doesn't work correctly. Why not buy a Mac and save yourself the headaches? I was FURIOUS at Apple Computer when they let their quality slide down to what I'd expect from a top shelf wintel maker. I don't know how you people can STAND it, I really don't. Regards, Jay -- ===================================================================== = DATAMAGIK Systems, Software & Design Engineering Austin, Texas = 1-888-369-5741 <http://lonestar.texas.net/~riley> riley@texas.net = = Created on an Apple Macintosh PowerBook 5300cs running Mac®OS 7.6.1 =
From: "Chris Johnson" <jinx6568@sover.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 26 Jun 97 20:52:18 +0000 Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <AFD88708-12F9A5@204.71.18.121> References: <datamagik-2606971328480001@tcnet01-25.austin.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.sover.net/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.sover.net/comp.sys.next.misc On Thu, Jun 26, 1997 6:28 PM, Jay Riley <mailto:datamagik@usa.net> wrote: >Remember that new computer buyers: If an experienced engineer can't get a >wintel box to work, it's his fault. =) And if HE can't do it are you sure >you wouldn't rather get a Macintosh and at least be able to use your >computer? >-Jay I still don't know what the heck Maury is doing with a PC anyway. Prelude? Is he beta testing something? I've not been paying attention to c.s.m.a, I've been seemingly everywhere else on the internet using my Mac rather than here letting it be mocked ;) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jlemon@netcom.com (Jonathan Lemon) Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Message-ID: <jlemonECEtrH.3v1@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:06:53 GMT Sender: jlemon@netcom22.netcom.com In article <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230>, Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> wrote: >In article <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net>, see .sig for real address wrote: > >> The master should go on the end connector, AFAIK. Also, there is >> usually a jumper on the drive which picks whether it is master or >> slave, cable select, or stand-alone. > > The CD has a jumper for MA/SL and CS (oddly numbered 3 down, reverse of >what you'd think), just what is Cable Select anyway? > > For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my tests... > >a) boot >b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM > - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers >c) select EIDE and ATAPI > - some have suggested this is actually incorrect and you > should instead select the Primary/Secondary settings >d) wait for the "window" to appear > > What happens then (after other brief messages)... > >hc0: device detected >hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected >hc0: checking for ATA 1 >hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected >hc0: resetting drives >hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM >hc0: LBA supported >hc0: IORDY supported >Registering hc0 >hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) >hd0: 4096 sectors >hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies >Registering hd0 >hd0: no label >hd0: (reports block size) >hd0: (reports disk size in total) >IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI >Registering sc0 >sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > >(etc. until it panics) > > There's no documentation on what any of these messages mean, nor the >numbers associated with them. I assume hc0 is a process, and not a >device? The HD appears to be fine and gets registered as hd0:, but then >we get a line from something saying that disk 1 is ATAPI - but what is >disk 1? The HD or the CD? Then it registers sc0:, what is that? the >CD? if so, why does it go back to hc0 after that? > > The messages almost seem randomly generated. Why does it ID the ATAPI >CD before ID'ing the HD? Why do we then get another report of the ATAPI >drive later, still before it boots it? And why can't it boot it? Just a couple of guesses: hc0 - IDE Controller #0 hd0 - IDE Disk #0 sc0 - SCSI Controller #0 sd0 - SCSI Disk #0 (actually cdrom) The probe message shows that it detected the IDE controller first, then probed the bus looking for devices, as well as what the bus controller will support. It then registers the controller, and goes on to register the devices. From the information given, it seems that NeXT decided to handle ATAPI devices as SCSI. The question then is why isn't the CDROM (sd0) talking to "sc0", which it is presumably attached to? -- Jonathan (Who is not running NS anymore)
From: bhurle1@umbc.edu (hurley bryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Does a Teac FD235-HS work with Black hardware? Date: 26 Jun 1997 21:15:46 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <5ov482$mc3@umbc9.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-User: bhurle1 does this scsi floppy drive work with black hardware? specifically 030 and 040 cubes. as well as whatever else it works with, or your experience with would be greatly appreciated. thanks bryan 040 25 20 100 3.2
From: Rick Kiss <kissrw@epix.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:10:09 -0400 Organization: Surely someplace important Message-ID: <33B32F11.2D4723A@epix.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > > In article <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net>, see .sig for real address wrote: > <--- text cut ---> > a) boot > b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM > - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers > c) select EIDE and ATAPI > - some have suggested this is actually incorrect and you > should instead select the Primary/Secondary settings > d) wait for the "window" to appear > > What happens then (after other brief messages)... > > hc0: device detected > hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected > hc0: checking for ATA 1 > hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected > hc0: resetting drives > hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM > hc0: LBA supported > hc0: IORDY supported > Registering hc0 > hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) > hd0: 4096 sectors > hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies > Registering hd0 > hd0: no label > hd0: (reports block size) > hd0: (reports disk size in total) > IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI > Registering sc0 > sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command <--- text cut ---> Howdy, If you think this is hard you should have been with me installing NeXTSTEP 3.1 for Intel on EISA computers. EISA really seperated the tough from the wimps. The first question, I come up with is why you are using both a SCSI and and an IDE (ATAPI) CDROM for the install? My preference, when installing NeXTSTEP, was always to use SCSI CDROM onto either IDE, SCSI or (later) EIDE drives. One CDROM is sufficient. For what its worth, there are multiple versions of the Adaptec 1542 out there. The last one I paid any attention to was the 1542C but there could be a 1542Q for all I know. NeXTSTEP was a bit finaky on the version. On the other hand higher quality controllers like the 2940 and 7870(?) are much cleaner. 'Course I could whine that I can't get OpenStep 4.2 for Intel for less than $1400 while some folks have it and hit what look like walls. And I could go on about having used it since 3.1, helped promote the product, on a personal level, assisted in minor driver resolution problems - all to be treated like NeXT has always treated it non-corporate customers. But I'm sure that will all be fixed in no-time. Yep. Have fun, Rick - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Happiness would be Objective C and Java on OpenStep for Mach / Rhapsody. If Microsoft had named Java 1.1 it would have been Java 4.0 Explorer.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:25:49 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qngn_xa00iWm0AIXs0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> In-Reply-To: <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 26-Jun-97 Re: I give up, Prelude is i.. by Maury Markowitz@softarc. > The CD has a jumper for MA/SL and CS (oddly numbered 3 down, reverse of > what you'd think), just what is Cable Select anyway? It sounds strongly like the CD-ROM drive you have is a IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM, and not a SCSI CD-ROM. > For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my tests... > > a) boot > b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM > - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers Do you have an Adaptec 154x controller and a SCSI CD-ROM or do you have an IDE CD-ROM? -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: "Brian Johnson" <brianjay@gate.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:38:45 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Message-ID: <5ovfv5$2298$1@news.gate.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> Maury, OK, I may have an idea for you. (If you're using an IDE CD-ROM that's a slave of your HD). While you're doing setup, try hittin F7(or whatever I forgot) a few more times to get to the Dual IDE controller driver. Use this driver for both the CD and the Hard Drive. This is how I got it to work. I wouldn't have known about this other driver if I hadn't read about it in another posting. Hope this helps. Brian Brian Johnson http://www.gate.net/~brianjay Maury Markowitz wrote in article ... >In article <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net>, see .sig for real address wrote: > >> The master should go on the end connector, AFAIK. Also, there is >> usually a jumper on the drive which picks whether it is master or >> slave, cable select, or stand-alone. > > The CD has a jumper for MA/SL and CS (oddly numbered 3 down, reverse of >what you'd think), just what is Cable Select anyway? > > For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my tests... > >a) boot >b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM > - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers >c) select EIDE and ATAPI > - some have suggested this is actually incorrect and you > should instead select the Primary/Secondary settings >d) wait for the "window" to appear > > What happens then (after other brief messages)... > >hc0: device detected >hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected >hc0: checking for ATA 1 >hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected >hc0: resetting drives >hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM >hc0: LBA supported >hc0: IORDY supported >Registering hc0 >hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) >hd0: 4096 sectors >hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies >Registering hd0 >hd0: no label >hd0: (reports block size) >hd0: (reports disk size in total) >IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI >Registering sc0 >sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > >(etc. until it panics) > > There's no documentation on what any of these messages mean, nor the >numbers associated with them. I assume hc0 is a process, and not a >device? The HD appears to be fine and gets registered as hd0:, but then >we get a line from something saying that disk 1 is ATAPI - but what is >disk 1? The HD or the CD? Then it registers sc0:, what is that? the >CD? if so, why does it go back to hc0 after that? > > The messages almost seem randomly generated. Why does it ID the ATAPI >CD before ID'ing the HD? Why do we then get another report of the ATAPI >drive later, still before it boots it? And why can't it boot it? > >Maury >
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:00:26 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5ovhdb$1ij@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> Jay Riley wrote in article ... :>well, as in everything you buy, there is a difference between inexpensive :>cheap and poor quality cheap when it comes to computers. you just :>shouldn't buy the poor quality stuff. : :Okay so you're saying wintel PCs are cheaper than Mac PCs, but you :shouldn't buy cheap PCs or (functional) Macs? No, wait you're saying that :you CAN use cheap stuff if you have expertise to distinguish it from cheap :stuff that doesn't work correctly. Why not buy a Mac and save yourself the :headaches? It's like buying stereo equipment. Like you have Sony, Sharp, and (insert the name of the cheapest stereo at Kmart) brands. Sony is great and all, but expensive. You can usually get the same quality with Sharp for much less. Of course (whatever's cheapest) is dirt cheap, but its also crap. Of course, if you spent time using and reading about PCs, you'd know which brands are good, which are inexpensive and good, and which are pure crap. Just as I'm sure you know what kind of parts you want in your Mac. I really don't recommend building your own computer without spending a few weeks reading magazines and books, because you do need to know what you're getting into. But it is just like buying a car or buying audio and video equipment, or do you just buy Mercedes and Sony just for the comfort of not worrying what you're buying? "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: stevehix@DeleteToReplysafemail.com (Steve Hix) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:21:30 -0700 Organization: South Valley Internet Message-ID: <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> In article <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net>, abuse@127.0.0.1 wrote: > >> and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented > >> those stupid things?!?! =) > > > > No actually, you can't, you'll notice it instantly. There is no such > >thing on IDE, the connector is the same on the top and bottom so there's > >no way to know if it's hooked up wrong. > > Notice that red line on the edge of the ribbon? That tells you where > pin 1 is located. Look on the motherboard and see where it says 1 or > has a small triangle. Match the red line with that. His particular cable apparently didn't have the red line. *Bad* design, depending on a color marker.
From: d89cb@efd.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 06:03:42 GMT Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Message-ID: <5ovl3u$2ek$1@news.lth.se> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> <maury-2506972039130001@199.166.204.230> NNTP-Posting-User: d89cb In article <maury-2506972039130001@199.166.204.230>, Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> wrote: > >> If that doesn't appeal to you (and your agreement with Apple doesn't >> prohibit it) maybe you could send ME your preview copy and let me monkey >> with it on a colleague's machine running VPC. > > I'd love to, but without that boot floppy I don't know what good it is. I beleive that an image of the boot floppy is available for download from NeXTAnswers. > >Maury Best regards, // Christian Brunschen
From: d89cb@efd.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 06:26:48 GMT Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Message-ID: <5ovmf8$2nv$1@news.lth.se> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> NNTP-Posting-User: d89cb (All my comments are based on my knowledge and my understanding, and in some cases on conjecture and/or guesses on my part, but based on some experience with N[eE]XT[sS][tT][eE][pP]/OPENSTEP. I have it running nicely on my Cube :) In article <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230>, Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> wrote: >In article <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net>, see .sig for real address wrote: > >> The master should go on the end connector, AFAIK. Also, there is >> usually a jumper on the drive which picks whether it is master or >> slave, cable select, or stand-alone. > > The CD has a jumper for MA/SL and CS (oddly numbered 3 down, reverse of >what you'd think), just what is Cable Select anyway? > > For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my tests... > >a) boot >b) select Adaptech 154x as the SCSI controller for the CD-ROM > - as instructed in the NeXTAnswers >c) select EIDE and ATAPI > - some have suggested this is actually incorrect and you > should instead select the Primary/Secondary settings >d) wait for the "window" to appear > > What happens then (after other brief messages)... > >hc0: device detected >hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected >hc0: checking for ATA 1 >hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected >hc0: resetting drives >hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM >hc0: LBA supported >hc0: IORDY supported >Registering hc0 >hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) >hd0: 4096 sectors >hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies >Registering hd0 >hd0: no label >hd0: (reports block size) >hd0: (reports disk size in total) >IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI >Registering sc0 >sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) So far, _very_ good .. a nice startup, just like it should be. >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request >hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > >(etc. until it panics) > > There's no documentation on what any of these messages mean, nor the >numbers associated with them. I assume hc0 is a process, and not a >device? Actually, I think it stands for 'Harddisk Controller 0' -- ie, the (E)IDE controller >The HD appears to be fine and gets registered as hd0:, but then >we get a line from something saying that disk 1 is ATAPI - but what is >disk 1? The HD or the CD? The CD, definitely. >Then it registers sc0:, what is that? the >CD? The 'SCSI Controller' -- a fake SCSI controller for talking to the ATAPI CD-ROM drive. IE, requests to the CD-ROM go from the kernel, to the 'sc0' 'SCSI'-controller, which talks to the 'hc0' (E)IDE controller, which talks to the 'sd0' (for 'SCSI Disk 0') CD-ROM. >if so, why does it go back to hc0 after that? hc0 is still the controller :) > > The messages almost seem randomly generated. Why does it ID the ATAPI >CD before ID'ing the HD? First, the system checks what devices are connected to the (E)IDE bus, and finds both the harddish (ATA 0) and the CD (ATAPI 1) Then is resets the devices; apparently it also finds out something about the CD which it reports. Or perhaps not about the CD< but rather about the (E)IDE controller ? Hmm. Then it registers the device, one at a time, giving more info about each device as it is registered: again, first the hard disk (hd0). The it wants to register the CDROM -- but in order to do that it needs some kind of SCSI controller (the ATAPI command set is almost identical to the SCSI command set for CD-ROM:s I beleive), and creates a 'fake' SCSI controller through which it will talk to the CDROM -- that's 'sc0' -- and registers the CD-ROM as a SCSI device, number 0 -- 'sd0'. After this, it begins to try reading from sd0 -- the CD-ROM drive -- but fails: 'No Data Request', and 'Not Ready for Packet Command' are the kernel's complaints about the communication with the CD-ROM drive. >Why do we then get another report of the ATAPI >drive later, still before it boots it? And why can't it boot it? There appear to be communication problems between your (E)IDE controller and your CD-ROM drive. I would probably look at the cabling, or at the CD-ROM drive; but then again you have already been through a lot of different iterations on your quest, so you have probably tried that ... *sigh* It's a real shame the installation doesn't work for you, I really think you'd like it once it works :/ Anyway, the best of luck with your continued installation attempts, if any .. > >Maury Best regards // Christian Brunschen
From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 04:00:31 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Jun26232559@slave.doubleu.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> In-reply-to: "William Lowe"'s message of Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:59:36 -0400 In article <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: John C. Randolph wrote in article <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com>... :"William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: :>You have obviously not looked at parts prices lately. : :Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is :cheap? You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but :boy is it cheap! : :You get what you pay for. Your cliches don't hold water. You managed to ignore that I was referring to BRAND NAME PARTS, not crapola. Matrox, Buslogic, NEC, and Panasonic all made good parts. Bah, I'll contradict _both_ of you. Saying "PC hardware is hard to set up" and "But it's cheap!" are a pair of unrelated statements. There is _no_ good reason why PC hardware couldn't be cheap _and_ easy to set up. It's really no harder to build systems who's cables only plug in the right way than it is to build systems who's cables can be plugged in upside down and backwards. The problem is that nobody in the PC world ever was in a position to do it and make it _stick_. I'm on my third PC clone. The first someone else built for me a couple years back, and now that I know better, I'd never do that again (cost too much for what I got). The last two I've built myself from name parts. The _only_ piece of hardware that's given me real problems getting right was an EIDE drive, and that mainly because my system is running SCSI alongside EIDE. Of course, EIDE is a hack on top of a hack. A lot of angst would be avoided if the various BIOS' just gave you the "LBA" option, without even calling it LBA, and didn't give you the various other sector/cylinder/head crap unless you specifically asked for it. I mean, everything seems to be working, but I'm still not completely comfortable that some 1980 decision isn't going to come bite my wonderful machine somewhere painful... -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Newbie Questions Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:51:15 -0800 Organization: EdgeMedia Networks Message-ID: <erich-2606972251150001@ppp-207-105-88-12.snrf01.pacbell.net> Hello NeXT Developers, I was wondering if anybody out there could answer some questions for me. 1) If I develop a program under OpenStep for Mach on Intel, can I run that application on Windows NT/95 without installing OpenStep on the Windows machine? 2) Does anybody know about an OpenStep API for the Macintosh? I dont mean Rhapsody. 3) Will OpenStep 4.2 run on a Turbo Slab? Thanks alot for any and all help! erich@powerwareintl.com
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From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 05:11:23 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p0alb$271@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: [munch] >Your cliches don't hold water. You managed to ignore that I was >referring to BRAND NAME PARTS, not crapola. Matrox, Buslogic, >NEC, and Panasonic all made good parts. I did not deny that there are good parts available in the Intel world. My contention is that it doesn't matter how good a part is because the platform is riddled with fundamental design flaws. >:>>I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec >:>SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic >:>card that is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is >:>none, it has a five year warranty and easy to contact support. >: >:Oh, there's a catch all right, and you just indvertently pointed >:it out. You *need* easy to contact support, because it's such a >:fucking nightmare to get any two add-ons from different manufacturers >:to co-exist in a PC chassis. >: >Funny, I have add ons from five different manufacturers, Zoom, STB, >Buslogic, Orchid, Creative. Those are just the cards, I have two hard >drives by different manufacturers, and a SCSI CD-ROM from a third. I >didn't have any fucking nightmares, and I never contacted support. Out of a couple of hundred million PC's, it's not surprising that a person here or there had no trouble. Congratulations. You might also be the person who has a spontaneous remission from a case of Hodgkins disease. For a counter-anecdote, my own PC experience started in 1982 with 4 out of five brand-new IBM PC's dead on arrival. It's been a similar story ever since. [munch again] >Well then, I must be relying on the benevolence of God for my PC to work, >because I have changed my motherboard twice (not because either didn't work >but as an upgrade) I have changed my video card from a Diamond Stealth to >an STB Lightspeed128, installed a buslogic Flashpoint LT and a SCSI CD-ROM >(that took all of ten minutes), installed a second harddrive (that also >took ten minutes), installed a 3d accellerator, switched modems and sound >cards, and upgraded my processor. And not a damn thing didn't work. Maybe >you'd like to explain to me why my machine works, after all according to >you PCs are crap and something will conflict. What the hell is it, because >I can't find it! Benevolence of God? I've heard it said that God helps those who help themselves, and if you're willing to tolerate a PC, IMNSHO, you are not helping yourself. It's not the hand of God, but simply the law of averages that's spared you from developing an ulcer from frustration with the brain-damage that riddles the PC business. -jcr
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 04:38:36 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p08ns$lr@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> <maury-2606971447250001@199.166.204.230> maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) writes: > In this particular case it's that, and the specific needs of this >install. If the NeXT drivers could support a CD on one bus and a HD on >the other this wouldn't be a problem. However, the hardware doesn't help >either, making a straightforward modification almost impossible. There's only so much that a driver or an install script can do when they're running on a platform with so many variables. Consider for a moment the fact that there is no *standard* way for a PC board to advertise what resources it has (a'la' Nubus, NeXTBus, SBus, etc.) PCI plug and play doesn't. So, NeXTSTEP, Linux, BSD, etc all have to try to deal with an unpredictable environment while installing on an Intel box, and they make their best guesses. -jcr
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 04:43:41 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p091d$ub@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) writes: >In article <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >> Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is cheap? >> You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but boy is >> it cheap! > I should say the reason I posted was to calm down - sorry for taking it >all out on you in the process. > However, this is a good area to comment. I've now been told that if I >didn't have such a cheap machine it would install find and this IDE issue >wouldn't be a problem. In the same message we get that PC's are cheap and >you can buy cheap parts to replace them.... The problem isn't that you have a *cheap* PC, the problem is that it's a PC at all. You can go and buy a gold-plated Pentium with a moonrock faceplate, and solid platinum back plane, and you're still going to be stuck with design flaws that are inherited from IBM's half-assed cost cutting decisions in 1979. If you want a cheap machine to play around with OpenStep, pick up one of Deepspace or MTech's CIA surplus NeXT slabs. -jcr
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 04:51:01 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p09f5$1am@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> <SCOTT.97Jun26232559@slave.doubleu.com> scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) writes: >In article <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com>, > "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: > John C. Randolph wrote in article <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com>... > :"William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: > :>You have obviously not looked at parts prices lately. > : > :Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is > :cheap? You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but > :boy is it cheap! > : > :You get what you pay for. > Your cliches don't hold water. You managed to ignore that I was > referring to BRAND NAME PARTS, not crapola. Matrox, Buslogic, NEC, > and Panasonic all made good parts. >Bah, I'll contradict _both_ of you. Saying "PC hardware is hard to >set up" and "But it's cheap!" are a pair of unrelated statements. >There is _no_ good reason why PC hardware couldn't be cheap _and_ easy >to set up. It's really no harder to build systems who's cables only >plug in the right way than it is to build systems who's cables can be >plugged in upside down and backwards. The problem is that nobody in >the PC world ever was in a position to do it and make it _stick_. I must have missed something, Scott, since I don't see where you're contradicting me. I'm going to gainsay your last statement, though, and point out that IBM *was* in a position to set a hardware standard for PC's when they first shipped the damn things, and remained in such a position until the launch of the MicroChannel abortions. -jcr
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:42:40 -0400 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Message-ID: <msg78224.thr-9c7cde3e.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <erich-2606972251150001@ppp-207-105-88-12.snrf01.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: <msg78224.thr-9c7cde3e.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>erich@powerwareintl.com,UseNet writes:</bold> >1) If I develop a program under OpenStep for Mach on Intel, can I run th= at >application on Windows NT/95 without installing OpenStep on the Windows >machine? >2) Does anybody know about an OpenStep API for the Macintosh? I dont mea= n >Rhapsody. >3) Will OpenStep 4.2 run on a Turbo Slab? I am not an expert but I can take a stab at these: >1) If I develop a program under OpenStep for Mach on Intel, can I run th= at >application on Windows NT/95 without installing OpenStep on the Windows >machine? You will have to install the Openstep libraries on the Wintel box for you= r application to run. I don't yet really know how to do this short of buy= ing the developer or user package, but I know that it can be done and I s= poke to an engineer with NeXT who says they are working on making it significantly easier--especially now t= hat they have announced that the are going to release the windows runtime= s for free. >2) Does anybody know about an OpenStep API for the Macintosh? I dont mea= n >Rhapsody. At WWDC this past month Apple announced that they had completed the engin= eering study and that they would indeed be porting the openstep (aka Rhap= sody) libraries to the traditional Mac OS. >3) Will OpenStep 4.2 run on a Turbo Slab? I have it running quite well on a non-Turbo cube with NextDimension so I = would assume that it would work on later generation black hardware. -- = David Herren -------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ General: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu NeXTMail only: herren@barcelona.cet.middlebury.edu
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:03:17 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971103170001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <5ouu56$qip@winter.erols.com> In article <5ouu56$qip@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" <wlowe@erols.com> wrote: > If I'm reading this correctly, you have your CD-ROM attached to the > Adaptech SCSI card or SCSI connector on the motherboard. No, the CD-ROM is on the IDE bus, and you have to install the Adaptech driver as a part of the install - you later remove it once the OS is installed. > and slave. If this is the case, then you should chose IDE (or ATAPI) for > your CD-ROM controller. You're not supposed to do this. Maury
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jonathan Arnold <jdarnold@world.std.com> Subject: Re: System Commander and Netware woes with OS4.1 Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: <33B3C05A.CDACF285@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:30:02 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <33B29290.8C63D67F@amrcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Roger Wagner Publishing > My two problems are: > 1. It seems that System Commander's (a multiple OS loader) boot block > on > I have one HD, an EIDE 2GB with 3 partitions: 700MB as DOS (FAT16), > 300MB for UNIX/OpenStep, 1GB NTFS (WinNT) and I need system commander Well, for what it is worth, I have Win95 OSR2 and OpenStep 4.1 on a PC with the newest System Commander (v3.0) and all is fine. In fact, SysCommand surprised me by not only recognizing the NeXT partition, but offering a special icon! +===================================================+ | Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@world.std.com) | | Programmer Roger Wagner Publishing | | http://world.std.com/~jdarnold | +===================================================+
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:12:53 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971112530001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <5ovfv5$2298$1@news.gate.net> In article <5ovfv5$2298$1@news.gate.net>, "Brian Johnson" <brianjay@gate.net> wrote: > OK, I may have an idea for you. (If you're using an IDE CD-ROM that's a > slave of your HD). While you're doing setup, try hittin F7(or whatever I > forgot) a few more times to get to the Dual IDE controller driver. Use this > driver for both the CD and the Hard Drive. This is how I got it to work. I > wouldn't have known about this other driver if I hadn't read about it in > another posting. I did this too. It allowed me to put the drives on their original busses (HD on the Primary, CD on the Secondary) but it still died at the same point. It appears that the driver selection is not the problem, and the whole idea of placing the drives on the same bus is simply incorrect and outdated information. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:04:53 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971104530001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com> <maury-2606971425040001@199.166.204.230> <5ouuql$qip@winter.erols.com> In article <5ouuql$qip@winter.erols.com>, "William Lowe" <wlowe@erols.com> wrote: > This actually didn't have to do with anyone particular OS, but it is a > property of Intel i430 chipsets. I assumed that you have a motherboard > with an Intel chipset because they are more popular with manufacturers. > The CD-ROM will work on the primary, but it is slower than if you put it on > the secondary controller as the master drive. This is true on any OS, there's less contention if they are on different busses. > But if your OS can not read the secondary controller with a > CD-ROM, then you can put it on the primary. What do you think I was doing when I was plugging in the busses? Sheesh. > Don't complain to me, complain to Intel for how they designed it, and > complain to Apple for not supporting a very common configuration. That's exactly what I was doing! Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:09:38 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971109380001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <33B32F11.2D4723A@epix.net> In article <33B32F11.2D4723A@epix.net>, removethiskissrw@epix.net wrote: > The first question, I come up with is why you are using both a SCSI and > and an IDE (ATAPI) CDROM for the install? I'm not, but to use the ATAPI driver you must first select the Adaptec SCSI driver. Apparently this is not true if you are using the (new) Primary/Secondary driver, but no combinations of drivers does anything any differently and I'm starting to agree that it's likely the CDROM that's the problem. > But I'm sure that will all be fixed in no-time. Yep. I've seen a number of complaints here and other areas that the drivers supplied with OpenStep tend to be old, and slow. I'm hoping that Apple will address this, at least on the PMac platform! Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:11:17 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971111170001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <Qngn_xa00iWm0AIXs0@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <Qngn_xa00iWm0AIXs0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > It sounds strongly like the CD-ROM drive you have is a IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM, > and not a SCSI CD-ROM. It is, isn't a NEC-1400 ATAPI drive. > Do you have an Adaptec 154x controller and a SCSI CD-ROM or do you have > an IDE CD-ROM? In the EIDE NeXTAnswer they state that you have to load a SCSI driver first, and then a IDE driver if you're going to use one. This is due to some (unexplained) bug. They tell you to install the Adaptech driver (even if you have no SCSI) then the proper EIDE driver. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:13:12 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971113120001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com> In article <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com>, stevehix@DeleteToReplysafemail.com (Steve Hix) wrote: > His particular cable apparently didn't have the red line. > > *Bad* design, depending on a color marker. Well it has a line now... Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:21:27 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971121270001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <5ovmf8$2nv$1@news.lth.se> In article <5ovmf8$2nv$1@news.lth.se>, d89cb@efd.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) wrote: > So far, _very_ good .. a nice startup, just like it should be. Yeah, that's how it looked to me too. I snipped the parts where it ID'ed and installed my keyboard, mouse and monitor. > Actually, I think it stands for 'Harddisk Controller 0' -- ie, the (E)IDE > controller Yes, very strange. Then you get that other message out of the blue, "IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI". I find this strange because it seems to suggest that the HD would be drive zero, but it never referrs to such a drive. > The 'SCSI Controller' -- a fake SCSI controller for talking to the ATAPI > CD-ROM drive. IE, requests to the CD-ROM go from the kernel, to the 'sc0' > 'SCSI'-controller, which talks to the 'hc0' (E)IDE controller, which talks > to the 'sd0' (for 'SCSI Disk 0') CD-ROM. Got it. > First, the system checks what devices are connected to the (E)IDE bus, and > finds both the harddish (ATA 0) and the CD (ATAPI 1) Right. > Then is resets the devices; apparently it also finds out something about the > CD which it reports. Or perhaps not about the CD< but rather about the > (E)IDE controller ? Hmm. Maybe, hard to say. > Then it registers the device, one at a time, giving more info about > each device as it is registered: Right. > register the CDROM -- but in order to do that it needs some kind of SCSI > controller (the ATAPI command set is almost identical to the SCSI command set > for CD-ROM:s I beleive), and creates a 'fake' SCSI controller through which > it will talk to the CDROM -- that's 'sc0' -- and registers the CD-ROM as a > SCSI device, number 0 -- 'sd0'. Got it. That's why they need a SCSI driver to be installed I'll bet, because there's code in the driver you need that should be at some other layer. > 'No Data Request', and 'Not Ready for Packet Command' are the kernel's > complaints about the communication with the CD-ROM drive. Yeah, any idea what these mean? > It's a real shame the installation doesn't work for you, I really think you'd > like it once it works :/ I'm sure I would, otherwise I wouldn't have spent so much time on it. It does prove an old bit of advice someone told me a long time ago though - never tighten the thumbscrews on a PC, because SOMEDAY you'll be going back in. > Anyway, the best of luck with your continued installation attempts, if any .. I'm going to try another brand of CD. That's all I can think of. If that's not it, then it's the IDE controller itself (for whatever reason) but then it should have worked in the first machine I tried (which was a SCSI HD with a ATAPI CD). I'm pretty sure I know _what_ I should be doing now. If the CD is the only EIDE drive, then it has to be master on the primary. If not it can be slave to the HD on the primary _or_ (with the driver that's included) master on the secondary. You select a SCSI driver, the "correct one" if need be or the Adaptech if you don't have one, then select either the EIDE and ATAPI driver if they are master/slave, or the Primary/Secondary if they are both masters on different busses. I guess the good thing here now is that's I'm pretty much expert level on installing it... Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:22:33 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971122330001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <4ngRKHi00iWV08TZQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> <maury-2606971447250001@199.166.204.230> <5p08ns$lr@idiom.com> In article <5p08ns$lr@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > So, NeXTSTEP, Linux, BSD, etc all have to try to deal with an unpredictable > environment while installing on an Intel box, and they make their best > guesses. Linux used to be this finicky as well, but they've updated a lot of the drivers and they seem to work a lot better now. Let's hope Apple does the same here. Maury
From: hanske@ratatosk.ratatosk.gol.com (Hans Shimizu Karlsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CAPer .afpfile Date: 27 Jun 1997 17:23:52 GMT Organization: Global OnLine Japan Message-ID: <5p0sv8$2ft$1@godzilla.gol.com> Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] wrote: >You should put an mapping file called .afpfile similar to the >example presented in the README of CAPer V8 (see under the Info >menu) in your home directory and restart the file services. There are no mappings for tiff or pict. How should the lines for those formats look? Hans Karlsson hanske@ratatosk.com www@ratatosk.com info@ratatosk.com
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:06:56 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971106560001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <jlemonECEtrH.3v1@netcom.com> In article <jlemonECEtrH.3v1@netcom.com>, jlemon@netcom.com (Jonathan Lemon) wrote: > Just a couple of guesses: > > hc0 - IDE Controller #0 > hd0 - IDE Disk #0 > sc0 - SCSI Controller #0 > sd0 - SCSI Disk #0 (actually cdrom) Thanks. > The probe message shows that it detected the IDE controller first, then > probed the bus looking for devices, as well as what the bus controller > will support. It then registers the controller, and goes on to register > the devices. Ok, that makes sense. > From the information given, it seems that NeXT decided to > handle ATAPI devices as SCSI. Correct. I assume this streamlines higher level drivers and file management stuff. > The question then is why isn't the CDROM (sd0) > talking to "sc0", which it is presumably attached to? Exactly. Someone suggested that this CDROM simply isn't support - earlier NEC's aren't. SOMETHING is getting to the CDROM, every time the reset message comes up you can hear the head start moving... Maury
From: Bastian Schlueter <Bastian.Schlueter@no.spam> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 17:32:37 GMT Organization: Marvins home, a small place in Universe Message-ID: <5p0tfl$fih@marvin.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> Organisation: RRR Hello Maury, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > For everyone reading, here's exactly what I am doing for all of my > tests... [...] > hc0: device detected > hc0: checking for ATA 0... detected > hc0: checking for ATA 1 > hc0: checking for ATAPI 1... detected > hc0: resetting drives > hc0: Device 1: ATAPI CD-ROM > hc0: LBA supported > hc0: IORDY supported > Registering hc0 > hd0: WDC (etc., id's it fine) > hd0: 4096 sectors > hd0: using multisector (16 block) copies > Registering hd0 > hd0: no label > hd0: (reports block size) > hd0: (reports disk size in total) > IDEDisk: disk1 is ATAPI > Registering sc0 > sd0: NEC CD-ROM (again, it ID's the drive fine) ^^^^^^^^^^ > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: No Data Request > hc0: ATAPI Device 1: Not Ready for Packet Command > > (etc. until it panics) > You are using a NEC CDR1400 right? Its not ATAPI 1.2 compliant. Its ATAPI 2.5(?). The NeXT EIDEdriver doesn't support that. Get a different CD-ROM. Had this problem myself :( hth Bastian -- e-mail: Bastian.Schlueter@gmd.de http://www.first.gmd.de/~buzz RRR100R -- Was wir da machen ist verboten, aber es ist wunderbar (TSS) --
From: planetary <kris@xmission.xmission.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 12:07:32 -0600 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> In comp.sys.next.advocacy William Lowe <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: : Don Yacktman wrote in article <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com>... : : The typical PC clone hardware is sh*t, nothing more and nothing less. : Spoken like a truely closed minded person. You have obviously not looked : at parts prices lately. I'm sure everyone told you that you need a Adaptec : SCSI card for a PC if you run SCSI. But you can get a Buslogic card that : is faster and costs half as much. The catch? There is none, it has a five : year warranty and easy to contact support. You can get a 4mb WRAM : Millennium for $169, NEC memory for $55 each 16mb, and a Panasonic 24x : CD-ROM for $112. Of course you could just tell me that these brands are : crap, but you'll be blowing hot air. As for installing these things, most : normal people have absolutely no problems figuring out which end of the : cable goes there. There is a little red strip on the 1st cable of the : ribbon, and on any decent motherboard there is a little one on the end of : the connector where that 1st cable of the ribbon goes. The process is the : same for the drive, and most drives even have a notch on the connector to : make it completely idiot proof. If you know how to install SIMMs or DIMMs, : a ribbon cable for an IDE drive isn't that difficult. Getting good : hardware for a PC isn't about luck, and neither is installing it. You're blaming the victim. Getting PC hardware to run is often a crapshoot, no matter how patronizing are the PC apologists. ATI revs the RAMDAC on their cards several times in a given fiscal quarter because RAMDAC X is cheaper than week than RAMDAC Y. These revs often break drivers gratuitously. Why is this the user's or integrator's fault? BusLogic and Adaptec rev the BIOSes on their peripherals tens of times throughout the lifespan of the products to fix usability problems with the cards. These revs often break drivers gratuitously. Why is this the user's or integrator's fault? Dell changes system components throughout the product lifespan so often that if you ordered ten OptiPlex machines, you might get ten different disks, ten different SCSI BIOSes, and ten different RAMDACs. This in turn causes major headaches for IS support staff. Are they stupid if they cannot keep the machines running? Why are not all ATAPI CD-ROMs truly ATAPI compliant? Why is this the consumer's fault? Why is it that a certain model of Fujitsu disc won't communicate with a specific rev of an Adaptec SCSI controller? Let's face it. Consumers are raped by the gratuitous incompatibilities of PC components. Blaming the victim isn't the answer. ...................kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contains freshness saver packet. DO NOT EAT.
From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 17:00:40 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Jun27124026@slave.doubleu.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> <SCOTT.97Jun26232559@slave.doubleu.com> <5p09f5$1am@idiom.com> In-reply-to: jcr@idiom.com's message of 27 Jun 1997 04:51:01 -0700 In article <5p09f5$1am@idiom.com> jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) writes: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) writes: >In article <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com>, > "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: > John C. Randolph wrote in article <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com>... > :"William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: > :>You have obviously not looked at parts prices lately. > : > :Oh, a compelling argument! Did we mention that PC hardware is > :cheap? You'll get an ulcer if you have to add a board to it, but > :boy is it cheap! > : > :You get what you pay for. > Your cliches don't hold water. You managed to ignore that I was > referring to BRAND NAME PARTS, not crapola. Matrox, Buslogic, NEC, > and Panasonic all made good parts. >Bah, I'll contradict _both_ of you. I must have missed something, Scott, since I don't see where you're contradicting me. Last fall I put together a very nice, solid, stable, overall _excellent_ Intel system for running NeXTSTEP. And only paid $2500 (including a ViewSonic 17PS monitor). I managed this by searching for specific quality parts and putting them together myself. Most vendors were selling comparable systems for slightly more, though I've no doubt I could have saved myself perhaps $200 by letting a vendor pick my components. As I look at it, I paid the same price but got a better quality system (as opposed to getting the same quality system for a lower price). I've bought expensive workstations in the past, and generally felt I got what I paid for. But I feel I got a better deal for what I paid for on this Intel machine. [Just keep in mind that it wasn't possible to achieve the same quality on commodity PC hardware at _any_ price back when NeXT was selling hardware.] >The problem is that nobody in the PC world ever was in a position >to do it and make it _stick_. I'm going to gainsay your last statement, though, and point out that IBM *was* in a position to set a hardware standard for PC's when they first shipped the damn things, and remained in such a position until the launch of the MicroChannel abortions. Well, technically, but you'd have a tough time convincing most people that they actually could have done it, not so much because there was so much other weight in the market, but because IBM showed absolutely no interest in the PC platform at the time they had the ability to control it. [Ha! I'm sure that explains a lot.] Also, I thought MicroChannel _was_ the way IBM intended to exert such influence on the PC market! -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
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From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Howto use a NeXT .PS file on my MAC Date: 27 Jun 1997 18:54:00 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> I would like to make a .PS file on my NeXT Computer and somehow load it on my PowerMac and then send this file to my Postscript 600DPI Mac printer. How and what software do I need to make my MAC see a .PS file made on my NeXT. Tom
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:05:37 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5p12u3$qv@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com> planetary wrote in article <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com>... :In comp.sys.next.advocacy William Lowe <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: :You're blaming the victim. And you're taking this too personally. I'm not blaming the victim if the hardware is crap. I'm just saying that there isn't that :Getting PC hardware to run is often a crapshoot, no matter :how patronizing are the PC apologists. : How often it is a crapshoot often depends on how fanatical is the Mac user to whom you are talking. :ATI revs the RAMDAC on their cards several times in a given fiscal :quarter because RAMDAC X is cheaper than week than RAMDAC Y. These revs :often break drivers gratuitously. Why is this the user's or integrator's :fault? You are taking this too personally. If the manufacturer changes something, it is their responsiblity to provide the drivers for it. But if a manufacturer releases a card with a new RAMDAC, why does that change what someone who already has installed? If a company doesn't release new drivers for their new equipment, then it is their fault. But while ATI may change RAMDACs all the time without providing current drivers, I haven't seen evidence that this is common in the video card industry. Besides, I thought ATI also made Mac video cards? Having troubles with your ATI card? :BusLogic and Adaptec rev the BIOSes on their peripherals tens of times :throughout the lifespan of the products to fix usability problems with the :cards. These revs often break drivers gratuitously. Why is this the user's :or integrator's fault? I don't know about Adaptec, but Buslogic provides new drivers twice yearly, drivers that are current with their BIOS. Also, the company can't rev a BIOS that has already been installed, so if you already have the machine, just because the company releases a new BIOS doesn't mean you absoultely have to install it. :Blaming the victim isn't the answer. And neither is providing a lot of smoke with no fire. I just wonder how much experience you've had with all the problems that you describe. Not experience that you have heard other people have, but your own personal experience. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 06:12:30 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5ovlke$334$1@news.digifix.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> <maury-2506972039130001@199.166.204.230> <5ovl3u$2ek$1@news.lth.se> In-Reply-To: <5ovl3u$2ek$1@news.lth.se> On 06/26/97, Christian Brunschen wrote: >In article <maury-2506972039130001@199.166.204.230>, >Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> wrote: >> >>> If that doesn't appeal to you (and your agreement with Apple doesn't >>> prohibit it) maybe you could send ME your preview copy and let me monkey >>> with it on a colleague's machine running VPC. >> >> I'd love to, but without that boot floppy I don't know what good it is. > >I beleive that an image of the boot floppy is available for download from >NeXTAnswers. > Actually, the 4.2 boot floppies are _not_ on NextAnswers right now. I thought someone (Mike Paquette??) had said that he'd get them on there...... -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Newbie Questions Date: 27 Jun 1997 12:55:40 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5p0d8c$h14$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <erich-2606972251150001@ppp-207-105-88-12.snrf01.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In <erich-2606972251150001@ppp-207-105-88-12.snrf01.pacbell.net> Eric Harley wrote: > Hello NeXT Developers, > I was wondering if anybody out there could answer some questions for me. > > 1) If I develop a program under OpenStep for Mach on Intel, can I run that > application on Windows NT/95 without installing OpenStep on the Windows > machine? Yes, but: i) You will have to program strictly to the OpenStep api --- avoiding having a few unix-isms creeping in can be tricky. ii) You will need to recompile your app for WinNT/95. Once Yellow Box is released, you will be able to program in Java, and so run without any need for recompilation. iii) You will need to supply the OpenStep runtime dll's with your app if it's the first OpenStep app to be installed on the WinNT/95 machine. Apple lets you do this for free. > 2) Does anybody know about an OpenStep API for the Macintosh? I dont mean > Rhapsody. Apple has announced a "90% compatible" version of the yellow box to run under MacOS 8, which should start becoming available sometime in '98. > 3) Will OpenStep 4.2 run on a Turbo Slab? Yes. > Thanks alot for any and all help! You're welcome. Matthew [Posted and Mailed] -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 13:07:26 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5p0due$h14$2@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <33B32F11.2D4723A@epix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In <33B32F11.2D4723A@epix.net> Rick Kiss wrote: > The first question, I come up with is why you are using both a SCSI and and > an IDE (ATAPI) CDROM for the install? My preference, when installing > NeXTSTEP, was always to use SCSI CDROM onto either IDE, SCSI or (later) > EIDE drives. One CDROM is sufficient. OpenStep fakes ATAPI devices as SCSI devices. Thus even in an IDE only system, your hard drive is /dev/hd0, and your CD Rom is /dev/sd0. So it is true, in a bizarre and twisted sense, to say that OpenStep only installes from SCSI CD Roms... Matthew -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CAPer .afpfile Date: 27 Jun 1997 20:00:11 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5p164b$91t$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5p0sv8$2ft$1@godzilla.gol.com> Cc: hanske@ratatosk.ratatosk.gol.com In <5p0sv8$2ft$1@godzilla.gol.com> Hans Shimizu Karlsson wrote: > Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] wrote: > > >You should put an mapping file called .afpfile similar to the > >example presented in the README of CAPer V8 (see under the Info > >menu) in your home directory and restart the file services. > > There are no mappings for tiff or pict. How should the lines for those > formats > look? .pict Raw 'ABCD' 'PICT' "This is a PICT image file." .tiff Raw 'ABCD' 'TIFF' "This is a TIFF image file." Where ABCD is the Creator ID of your prefered application on the Mac. The mapping only takes place when there is no finderinfo for the given file (if they are copied on the Mac volume from the NeXT side). If you save a file from the Mac side it should get the type and creator of the saving application and the mapping is ignored. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:56:25 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5p19e2$2l7@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com> <5p12u3$qv@winter.erols.com> William Lowe wrote in article <5p12u3$qv@winter.erols.com>... : : planetary wrote in article <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com>... ::In comp.sys.next.advocacy William Lowe <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: : ::You're blaming the victim. : :And you're taking this too personally. I'm not blaming the victim if the :hardware is crap. I'm just saying that there isn't that : Like a complete idiot, I posted the message without finishing that sentence. Here is the completed thought: I'm just saying that there isn't that much crap out in the PC hardware market. There are plenty of hardware manufacturers who provide updated drivers when they upgrade their equipment, eliminating that problem of broken drivers. There are plenty of manufacturers who stick with the same chipsets and merely upgrade their drivers (Matrox Millenniums have been the same since they were introduced). And just because Dell might choose motherboards from company a, and then company b the next week does not automatically mean that they are incompatible, or that they even differ much one from another. Dell uses Intel chipsets, and Intel motherboards are compatible with each other, all accept EDO memory (SDRAM on VX and TX is an option, just as ECC is an option on HX and PPro and PII motherboards), all accept standard ISA and PCI cards. The extra options that the higher end boards provide does not make them incompatible with the lower end boards, those options don't even apply to the add on hardware cards. And buying quality PC parts does not mean paying a premium. There are vendors, like Tyan (motherboards), Ensoniq (soundcards), Hercules (video), and others who produce low cost, high quality parts that 99 times out of 100 don't require service. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: drifterusa@macconnect.com (John Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:25:55 -0500 Organization: KAOS Message-ID: <drifterusa-2706971225560001@accs-as33-dp04.dlls.grid.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <5ovmf8$2nv$1@news.lth.se> <maury-2706971121270001@199.166.204.230> Maury Markowitz wrote: > I guess the good thing here now is that's I'm pretty much expert level > on installing it... Look on the bright side. If you ever get this thing up and running, you will have earned the right to be a PC advocate. ;-) John Bauer
From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:12:55 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5p13bo$qv@winter.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> <5p0alb$271@idiom.com> John C. Randolph wrote in article <5p0alb$271@idiom.com>... :It's not the hand of God, but simply the law of averages that's :spared you from developing an ulcer from frustration with the :brain-damage that riddles the PC business. Then you agree that the average PC user using the average PC does not have problems with hardware conflicts. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: mpaque@moviola.next.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 21:03:12 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <5p19qg$12ke$1@news.apple.com> References: <5ovlke$334$1@news.digifix.com> In article <5ovlke$334$1@news.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Actually, the 4.2 boot floppies are _not_ on NextAnswers right > now. > > I thought someone (Mike Paquette??) had said that he'd get > them on there...... The boot floppy image needed to boot Prelude to Rhapsody (AKA 4.2) on Black hardware is in NeXTAnswers 2071. (It's the 3.3 image, but nothing has changed.) http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2071.htmld/2071.html The 4.2 boot floppy images for Intel don't appear to be on line right now. -- Mike Paquette Well, if there *were* anything to say, it would be with the understanding that the PR/Marketing people want to make the announcements on products, so anything I have to say wouldn't actually exist until after then, so what
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Howto use a NeXT .PS file on my MAC Date: 27 Jun 1997 23:11:16 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5p1hak$a7k$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> Cc: tj@oro.net In <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> Thomas Ferreira wrote: > I would like to make a .PS file on my NeXT Computer and somehow load it on > my PowerMac and then send this file to my Postscript 600DPI Mac printer. > How and what software do I need to make my MAC see a .PS file made on my > NeXT. Ghostscript. See http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html To download a PS file on the Mac try any freeware PS downloader, there are several on the info-mac archive. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
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From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 16:28:49 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p1ibh$2ih@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> <5p0alb$271@idiom.com> <5p13bo$qv@winter.erols.com> "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: > John C. Randolph wrote in article <5p0alb$271@idiom.com>... >:It's not the hand of God, but simply the law of averages that's >:spared you from developing an ulcer from frustration with the >:brain-damage that riddles the PC business. >Then you agree that the average PC user using the average PC does not have >problems with hardware conflicts. Nice try at twisting my words there, but no: I don't agree at all that the average PC user does not have problems with hardware conflicts. What I said was that out of such a large number of PC victims, it's not surprising that there are some number of examples of people who haven't run into the problems caused by IBM's fuck-ups. -jcr
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:53:25 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971553260001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <jlemonECEtrH.3v1@netcom.com> <maury-2706971106560001@199.166.204.230> In article <maury-2706971106560001@199.166.204.230>, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > Exactly. Someone suggested that this CDROM simply isn't support - > earlier NEC's aren't. SOMETHING is getting to the CDROM, every time the > reset message comes up you can hear the head start moving... Well that's not the issue either, I got the CD out of the other machine and plugged it in, no go. Unless it's a bad EIDE controller on the 166 (which wouldn't explain how it can ID the CD and make it do things - and work perfectly under Windows) then the ony explanation is that NeXT's EIDE support basically doesn't work. I went back to the other machine just as a test armed with all my new knowledge, and as before the SymbiosLogic card won't work because it can't "enable interrupts". I didn't bother putting the IDE HD into that machine, one IDE is just like another. Unless someone can come up with a better explanation, NeXT devices drivers *suck*. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:54:50 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2706971554500001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5osen6$cjg$1@news.gate.net> <maury-2606971351040001@199.166.204.230> <33b2ee20.2545562@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971657310001@199.166.204.230> <5p0tfl$fih@marvin.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de> In article <5p0tfl$fih@marvin.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de>, Bastian Schlueter <Bastian.Schlueter@no.spam> wrote: > You are using a NEC CDR1400 right? Its not ATAPI 1.2 compliant. Its > ATAPI 2.5(?). The NeXT EIDEdriver doesn't support that. Get a different > CD-ROM. Had this problem myself :( I did get another CDROM, some no-name one. Same problem. Maury
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 28 Jun 97 16:05:33 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <AFDAE6D5-361746@141.214.134.235> References: <maury-2706971553260001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.misc I had the same error messages with an NEC cd-rom. When I switched with another (I think it was a Hitachi, but I'm no longer sure), it started working. Ultimately, we just bought a box from Workstation 2000. They were passing fliers out at WWDC and have been great to deal with. The owner of the company has called me several times to see how things are going with the machine. They've been great to deal with. Here's their phone number: 1-800-ASTATION good luck, rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: drifterusa@macconnect.com (John Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:49:10 -0500 Organization: KAOS Message-ID: <drifterusa-2706972249110001@accs-as802-dp15.atln.grid.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com> Kristopher Magnusson wrote: > Let's face it. Consumers are raped by the gratuitous incompatibilities of > PC components. Blaming the victim isn't the answer. And yet, they keep coming back for more... John (don't blame me I'm a Mac user) Bauer
From: drifterusa@macconnect.com (John Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:04:47 -0500 Organization: KAOS Message-ID: <drifterusa-2806971404470001@accs-as803-dp03.atln.grid.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p13bo$qv@winter.erols.com> <5p1ibh$2ih@idiom.com> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p313b$99v@newsb.netnews.att.com> <5p3ha9$ng6$2@hecate.umd.edu> David T. Wang wrote: > I will readily admit that at times it takes some expertise to get a large > system of PC's going strong. Funny thing is that I've talked to a bunch > of "sysadmins" that barely know a serial port from a parallel port. If companies are so desperate to hire tech support staff that they'll take people who do not know anything about the machines they are supposed to support, doesn't it make sense to buy equipment that is easier to work with in the first place? Maybe an excess of newbies in tech support is the reason behind Gartner's findings of lower Mac support costs. Just a thought. John Bauer
From: planetary <kris@xmission.xmission.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 28 Jun 1997 15:25:15 -0600 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <5p3vfr$13o@xmission.xmission.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5p0vh4$ip@xmission.xmission.com> <5p12u3$qv@winter.erols.com> In comp.sys.next.advocacy William Lowe <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: : And neither is providing a lot of smoke with no fire. I just wonder how : much experience you've had with all the problems that you describe. Not : experience that you have heard other people have, but your own personal : experience. You, sir, are attempting to use a logical fallacy called an ad hominem attack, where you attempt to divert attention from the substantive issue to the person making the argument. Let's indulge you for a moment. For the record: * I am personally responsible for the installation of hundreds of PCs running NEXTSTEP to many of NeXT's major clients. * I have installed NEXTSTEP/Intel on hundreds of PCs as an integrator. I have had to fly out to client sites to fix multi-hundred-thousand dollar installations of PCs because of fucked-up BIOSes on motherboards, bad ATI and BusLogic cards, and other problems related to PC nightmare commodity technology. * I have never owned a Mac. When you have spent your precious time and energy trying to help furious customers who are suffering from PC syndrome, when you have spent years in the trenches dealing with the commodity mindset of component vendors, then you will be allowed to claim that I have not paid my dues with PC hardware. Now, back to the issue. PC hardware is poorly integrated, is incompatible with itself, is hard to deal with for even seasoned professionals. Period. And you are blaming the victim. ..............kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contains freshness saver packet. DO NOT EAT.
From: horner@foxtrot.af1.odu.edu (-J) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 27 Jun 1997 02:49:12 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University WebMasters Message-ID: <5ov9n8$3k8@aruba.odu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971521070001@199.166.204.230> In article <maury-2606971521070001@199.166.204.230>, Maury Markowitz <maury@softarc.com> wrote: >In article <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net>, abuse@127.0.0.1 wrote: > >> Notice that red line on the edge of the ribbon? > > No, because there isn't one. Yes there is, look again. I've worked on PC for years and have *never* seen one without. -J -- John D. Horner horner@foxtrot.af1.odu.edu ODU WebMasters foxtrot.af1.odu.edu/~horner/ www.odu.edu
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 28 Jun 1997 14:40:26 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p40ca$46h@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> gupta@kcopsrm.tm.tta.moc-mirror after @ writes: >nate <nhughes@idir.net> wrote: >> >>>What misinformation? PC's are crap. I know this from direct >>>personal experience, which includes developing hardware and >>>software for the PC, from 1981 to 1984, and from subsequently working >>>on many vastly better systems. >> >>You will make a fine mac advocate. You have the logic, How does it >>go? Uh, I built PC's back in 1984 and couldn't figure them out so >>they must really suck in 97. You deserve a mac. >Umm, I believe he also wrote that he returned to PCs in the 90s >and found no improvements in architecture at all from 1984. I also kept up with what the PC world was doing throughout the 80's, althought I refused to base any of my projects on an unstable platform after 1984. Also, just to set a few of you PC victims straight: I am *not* a mac advocate. When there is something better than what I'm using, I will jump ship in a heartbeat. I freely admit that NeXTSTEP sucks, too. NeXTSTEP is much better than WIndows or the current Macintosh OS, but that's almost damning by faint praise. -jcr
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:06:39 -0400 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-2806971806390001@198.133.37.101> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971521070001@199.166.204.230> <5ov9n8$3k8@aruba.odu.edu> <5p2od8$18a@marvin.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de> In article <5p2od8$18a@marvin.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de>, Bastian Schlueter <Bastian.Schlueter@no.spam> wrote: > I've seen lots of them. And i've even seen drives where pin1 was not > marked ... As it turns out the NEC is also unlabeled for "Pin 1", it instead has a triangle on that end. I do not know if this is documented, but the NEC tech people told me what it meant. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:04:24 -0400 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-2806971804240001@198.133.37.101> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971521070001@199.166.204.230> <5ov9n8$3k8@aruba.odu.edu> In article <5ov9n8$3k8@aruba.odu.edu>, horner@foxtrot.af1.odu.edu (-J) wrote: > Yes there is, look again. I've worked on PC for years and have *never* seen > one without. Do you need a photograph before you'll believe me? The machine in question has two busses, one of them (the secondary) has such a stripe, the primary does not. Nor does this excuse NEC and Western Digital for selecting connectors that allow one to plug the cable in upside down. Maury
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:02:16 -0400 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-2806971802160001@198.133.37.101> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <5oshhg$t3q@winter.erols.com> <maury-2606971425040001@199.166.204.230> <33B4E674.1726@bit.csc.lsu.edu> In article <33B4E674.1726@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: > And you shouldn't ask for advice if you are going to belittle the > people who offer it. Please, the person in question's "advice" was that it was my fault and not the PC's - it was I that was being "belittled". The punch line to this story is that just for kicks I tried the install on my NT box that I use as a production machine. The install worked perfectly the first time, doing exactly what I was doing on the other two machines. More annoying was the fact that all three machines are from the same supplier. > (which you should know since master devices general behave better on > the terminal end of the ribbon connector) This does not appear to be true, after trying all possible combinations I have found no obvious speed difference on different cable positions. More to the point, the original post suggested placing the drives on different busses, something that all of the docs suggest can't be done (as it turns out, it works fine). > try turning the ribbon cable around? I bet not. Did you try to > relocate the HD so that the cable would fit? I wouldn't bet on it. Both. Maury
From: hanske@ratatosk.ratatosk.gol.com (Hans Shimizu Karlsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Howto use a NeXT .PS file on my MAC Date: 28 Jun 1997 23:00:08 GMT Organization: Global OnLine Japan Message-ID: <5p451o$pd0$1@godzilla.gol.com> References: <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> Cc: tj@oro.net In <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> Thomas Ferreira wrote: > I would like to make a .PS file on my NeXT Computer and somehow load it on > my PowerMac and then send this file to my Postscript 600DPI Mac printer. I am just working on the same thing. CAPer should let you transfer the file to you Mac over AppleTalk. On the Mac side, there is something called EPS2PICT, if I remember correctly, which is needed to translate the PostScript into a viewable/editable format on the Mac. GraphicConverter uses this translator for opening .ps files. I haven't registered my version yet, so I don't know how well it works. The PICT is supposed to retain the vector information, but I seem to remember that there are some limitations. Anyway, without DiplayPostScript in Mac OS there doesn't seem to be much point in bringing over the files for the sake of editing on the Mac, does it? > > Tom > ______________________________________________________________________________ Hans Karlsson hanske@ratatosk.com www@ratatosk.com info@ratatosk.com
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Sender: reowuroiwe@OA;IUREOWU.COM Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5p49en$3rt$3137@news.internetmci.com> Control: cancel <5p49en$3rt$3137@news.internetmci.com> Date: 29 Jun 1997 00:17:14 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.5p49en$3rt$3137@news.internetmci.com> Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. A report will be published shortly on news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: gupta@kcopsrm.tm.tta.moc-mirror after @ Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 28 Jun 1997 12:46:35 GMT Organization: IMEMYSELF Sender: Arun Gupta Message-ID: <5p313b$99v@newsb.netnews.att.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p13bo$qv@winter.erols.com> <5p1ibh$2ih@idiom.com> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> Originator: gupta@tlctest William Lowe <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> wrote: > >And I'm saying that you are wrong, that the majority of us PC users aren't >victims. But you won't listen, you've got your Mac and you're doing your >part for the Mac cause. Who give a damn for the truth? Well, you can tell >yourself all the PC horror stories you want, won't make any difference. Well, where I work, we have tons of PCs. The truth about PC hardware is well known here. I'm saying that you are wrong, and your trouble-free experience is untypical. -arun gupta
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 03:28:55 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:23:42 -0400, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside >down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! .. The same dude who did the Apple 25 pin serial, ah, da, I mean SCSI connector. .. .. > Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work >(after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the >jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 >minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... .. You could read the manual (RTFM). You probably should have noticed there are 100 of 1000s of people who don't have this problem. It could be you're doing something wrong. .. ..
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 04:53:40 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33B630A4.168C@bit.csc.lsu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <maury-2606971521070001@199.166.204.230> <5ov9n8$3k8@aruba.odu.edu> <maury-2806971804240001@198.133.37.101> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > > In article <5ov9n8$3k8@aruba.odu.edu>, horner@foxtrot.af1.odu.edu (-J) wrote: > > > Yes there is, look again. I've worked on PC for years and have *never* seen > > one without. > > Do you need a photograph before you'll believe me? The machine in > question has two busses, one of them (the secondary) has such a stripe, > the primary does not. Nor does this excuse NEC and Western Digital for > selecting connectors that allow one to plug the cable in upside down. > > Maury To Maury's defense, I have an IDE ribbon cable sitting right here with (a) no red stripe or other indicator for pin 1, and (b) no pin block to allow proper alignment. I dunno. Maybe the CDROM drive is the problem or you have something configured wrong that is so simple that you just can't see it (hey, everyone has done this so don't feel bad). Put it all down for a week, go to a happy place, and come back and see if there is some new insight. This usually helps and Prelude ain't going anywhere. If you decide to trash it, I'll take it. John
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 03:39:17 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> On 28 Jun 1997 16:11:50 GMT, gupta@kcopsrm.tm.tta.moc-mirror after @ wrote: >nate <nhughes@idir.net> wrote: >> >>>What misinformation? PC's are crap. I know this from direct >>>personal experience, which includes developing hardware and >>>software for the PC, from 1981 to 1984, and from subsequently working >>>on many vastly better systems. .. Well, I've the same experience with hardware and software. The PC platform seems fine for 10 of 1000s of developers. What's your problem with it... PCs are crap doesn't mean much... actually anything. .. .. >>You will make a fine mac advocate. You have the logic, How does it >>go? Uh, I built PC's back in 1984 and couldn't figure them out so >>they must really suck in 97. You deserve a mac. .. .. >Umm, I believe he also wrote that he returned to PCs in the 90s >and found no improvements in architecture at all from 1984. .. He didn't look very hard. .. ..
From: Steve Dekorte <dekorte@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Newbie Questions Date: 29 Jun 1997 03:36:55 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5p4l8n$ine$2@owl.slip.net> References: <erich-2606972251150001@ppp-207-105-88-12.snrf01.pacbell.net> In comp.sys.next.programmer Eric Harley <erich@powerwareintl.com> wrote: > 1) If I develop a program under OpenStep for Mach on Intel, can I run that > application on Windows NT/95 without installing OpenStep on the Windows > machine? No. > 2) Does anybody know about an OpenStep API for the Macintosh? I dont mean > Rhapsody. (I'm assuming you mean MacOS) Someone may be working on GNUstep for Mac. There was also something in Macweek about an OpenStep for MacOS. > 3) Will OpenStep 4.2 run on a Turbo Slab? Yes. -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep consultant - San Francisco
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From: ckoller@worldnet.att.net (Craig Koller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:07:19 -0700 Organization: MediActive Message-ID: <ckoller-2806972107190001@4.san-francisco-004.ca.dial-access.att.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> In article <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:23:42 -0400, maury@softarc.com (Maury > Markowitz) wrote: > > > I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside > >down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! > .. > The same dude who did the Apple 25 pin serial, ah, da, I mean SCSI > connector. Yup, but there's this big ol' SCSI ICON printed on the back of the computer. It takes a lot of ignorance to plug a parallel printer into a Mac SCSI port. I remember when our true blue IBM MIS guy did exactly that to a Mac SE and an HP Laserjet back in '89. > .. > .. > > Well after figuring that out I'm ready to try again. It doesn't work > >(after ID'ing the drives fine, it can't talk to them). Ok, let's move the > >jumpers and see what happens. Same thing, but this time it takes 10 > >minutes to get there. Ok, one last try on the other IDE cable.... > .. > You could read the manual (RTFM). You probably should have noticed > there are 100 of 1000s of people who don't have this problem. It could > be you're doing something wrong. > .. > .. Hehe. The mantra that Wintel wants you all to recite ad infinitum, ad nauseum: "*You* did something wrong." As far as I'm concerned SCSI and IDE are both gnarled old technologies that should go away ASAP (come Firewire. Come soon). Seeing that Mac uses both, and so does the PC (although PC SCSI adds an exciting new layer of treachery), I consider this subject to be a wash...
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <10436866952022@digifix.com> Date: 29 Jun 1997 03:56:52 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <1452867556825@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. 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From: gupta@kcopsrm.tm.tta.moc-mirror after @ Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 28 Jun 1997 16:11:50 GMT Organization: IMEMYSELF Sender: Arun Gupta Message-ID: <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> Originator: gupta@tlctest nate <nhughes@idir.net> wrote: > >>What misinformation? PC's are crap. I know this from direct >>personal experience, which includes developing hardware and >>software for the PC, from 1981 to 1984, and from subsequently working >>on many vastly better systems. > >You will make a fine mac advocate. You have the logic, How does it >go? Uh, I built PC's back in 1984 and couldn't figure them out so >they must really suck in 97. You deserve a mac. Umm, I believe he also wrote that he returned to PCs in the 90s and found no improvements in architecture at all from 1984. -arun gupta
From: "Eric M. Aldrich I" <ealdrich@wavequest.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Detailed black hardware specs Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 03:36:09 +0000 Organization: Wavequest Inc. Message-ID: <33B5D820.B3A@wavequest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have or know where to find detailed hardware specs for the various configurations of black (Motorola) NeXT hardware? I'm looking for things such as serial port speeds, SCSI specs, NeXTbus speeds -- all the stuff that isn't in the FAQ. Post or email is fine. Any applicable info appreciated. Eric
From: "Joacim Melin" <joacim@mbox301.swipnet.se> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Booting NeXTSTEP v3.3 (Intel) with OS/2's Bootmanager? Date: 29 Jun 1997 11:36:35 GMT Organization: A customer of Tele2 Message-ID: <01b991e6$d6613640$13b8f482@nostromo.melin.se> Cache-Post-Path: mn8!s-226072@dialup184-1-19.swipnet.se Hi all . I'm trying to install NeXTstep v3.3 on an Pentium 133Mhz. I can't install it on the first harddrive so I got me a second SCSI hdd and want to install it there. NeXTstep doesn't seem to have the ability to boot from a second harddrive, so I thought I could use OS/2's bootmanager, but that didn't work either. Any hints on this issue ? Please reply via email. Thanks, Joacim Melin, Stockholm Sweden.
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 29 Jun 1997 05:10:50 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: [munch] >Well, I've the same experience with hardware and software. The PC >platform seems fine for 10 of 1000s of developers. What's your problem >with it... And McDonalds' is fine for the Billions Served(tm). Re-stating that there are a bunch of PCs, and a bunch of tortured engineers sweating blood to work around the mistakes in the architecture, doesn't rebut my criticism of the PC platform at all. > PCs are crap doesn't mean much... actually anything. Okay, how about "PC's were designed by assholes and marketing dinks who couldn't be bothered to even consider the impact of their cost-cutting decisions on future users of their half-assed knock-off of an Apple II." >>>You will make a fine mac advocate. You have the logic, How does it >>>go? Uh, I built PC's back in 1984 and couldn't figure them out so >>>they must really suck in 97. You deserve a mac. >.. >>Umm, I believe he also wrote that he returned to PCs in the 90s >>and found no improvements in architecture at all from 1984. >.. >He didn't look very hard. Oh, I looked hard all right. I looked at the damn things every time a new fad came down the pike claiming to fix the brain damage that IBM saddled you all with. Let's look at the scoreboard, shall we? ISA bus: Memory usage, and interrupt numbers for each board are determined by the board, not by the slot. Set the jumpers wrong, and two boards try to respond to the same addresses. (contrast to the Apple II bus, where the addresses available to a board are determined by the number of the slot. It is not *physically* possible to have address conflicts in the Apple II bus.) EISA Bus: Same brain damage as above, but the data path is expanded to 16 bits. VLB: "The bus is fucked, so we'll just give you the direct access to the CPU pins, pretty much." The problem with this approach is, now you have to improvise a bus again, because there's no real bus arbitration. (What address do I answer? I'll read my DIP switches!) Expanded Memory: Lotus, Intel and Microsoft, realizing that the 640K memory limit was a Real Big Problem, decide to install a bank-switching scheme, mapping some number of megs of real RAM into a window of a few K of the physical memory map. Okay for data, as long as you didn't try to allocate any single block bigger than the page size (64K), which neatly conicides with the brain-damaged segmented memory architecture of Intel's excrebale excuse for CPU, but it's a *real* bitch to try to run code out of a bank-switched memory board. Overlay Linkers (e.g. P/Link): Your code doesn't fit in 640K? Okay, just figure out which parts need to be in RAM at the same time, and when you call from an overlay into another overlay, we'll just swap in the code you're calling, and swap it back out when you return from the called routine. This is the kind of head-standing you have to do, because you have a 640K memory limit, because some ASSHOLE at IBM didn't think about expansion at all, and provide a pointer in the low end of the RAM to tell you where to look for the video buffer. No, he HARD WIRED it in! I had intended to keep this discussion in the hardware realm, but Linkers and loaders are *real* close to the metal. If I get into discussing DOS and Windows, I'm going really start on a rant. I've got dozens of these, but this post is long enough.. -jcr
From: nhughes@idir.net (nate) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:50:06 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Communications Message-ID: <33b7731d.40115733@nntp.idir.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 29 Jun 1997 05:10:50 -0700, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) decided he/she should say: >ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: > <snip> >>.. >>He didn't look very hard. > >Oh, I looked hard all right. I looked at the damn things every >time a new fad came down the pike claiming to fix the brain damage >that IBM saddled you all with. Let's look at the scoreboard, shall >we? > >ISA bus: > >Memory usage, and interrupt numbers for each board are determined >by the board, not by the slot. Set the jumpers wrong, and two >boards try to respond to the same addresses. (contrast to the Apple >II bus, where the addresses available to a board are determined by >the number of the slot. It is not *physically* possible to have >address conflicts in the Apple II bus.) OK, I am not a compsci major or a programmer, but I do know how to find available IRQs and set the jumpers properly. It is not that hard. > >EISA Bus: > >Same brain damage as above, but the data path is expanded to 16 >bits. Same solution as above. > >VLB: > >"The bus is fucked, so we'll just give you the direct access to >the CPU pins, pretty much." The problem with this approach is, >now you have to improvise a bus again, because there's no real bus >arbitration. (What address do I answer? I'll read my DIP switches!) VLB is pretty much history. BTW, isnt PCI standard on PC's today? Have you ever used a PCI PC or is that bus too new for you? > >Expanded Memory: > >Lotus, Intel and Microsoft, realizing that the 640K memory limit >was a Real Big Problem, decide to install a bank-switching scheme, >mapping some number of megs of real RAM into a window of a few K >of the physical memory map. How many apps are people running today that requires expanded memory? Your experience is back in 84 isnt it? > >Okay for data, as long as you didn't try to allocate any single >block bigger than the page size (64K), which neatly conicides with >the brain-damaged segmented memory architecture of Intel's excrebale >excuse for CPU, but it's a *real* bitch to try to run code out of >a bank-switched memory board. Im no programmer, but It seems like lots of programmers can do whatever it is you find so hard. > >Overlay Linkers (e.g. P/Link): > >Your code doesn't fit in 640K? Okay, just figure out which parts >need to be in RAM at the same time, and when you call from an >overlay into another overlay, we'll just swap in the code you're >calling, and swap it back out when you return from the called >routine. > >This is the kind of head-standing you have to do, because you have >a 640K memory limit, because some ASSHOLE at IBM didn't think about >expansion at all, and provide a pointer in the low end of the RAM >to tell you where to look for the video buffer. No, he HARD WIRED >it in! > >I had intended to keep this discussion in the hardware realm, but >Linkers and loaders are *real* close to the metal. If I get into >discussing DOS and Windows, I'm going really start on a rant. > >I've got dozens of these, but this post is long enough.. I'm an end user so most of the programming stuff is out of my league. I'm just glad there are people with the talent to do what you have trouble doing. Nate
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:13:11 -0400 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-2906971013110001@198.133.37.103> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> In article <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > The same dude who did the Apple 25 pin serial, ah, da, I mean SCSI > connector. It's a D-connector and only goes in one way. > You could read the manual (RTFM). Yes, thank you for your advice. > You probably should have noticed > there are 100 of 1000s of people who don't have this problem. It could > be you're doing something wrong. It is not. Maury
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 28 Jun 1997 04:55:00 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <5ou04q$s40@winter.erols.com> <5p0alb$271@idiom.com> <5p13bo$qv@winter.erols.com> <5p1ibh$2ih@idiom.com> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> writes: >And I'm saying that you are wrong, that the majority of us PC users aren't >victims. Don't feel ashamed, William. Many abuse victims have a hard time getting over their attachement to their abusers. Admitting that you have a problem is the first step in recovery. Good luck. >But you won't listen, you've got your Mac and you're doing your >part for the Mac cause. Hold it right there, sport. Who said I was mac advocate? FYI: I became a Mac user in 1984, I remained one until 1989, and when I saw something better than what I had, I switched. Get that? I abandoned the Mac in 1989, when I first saw something better. I became a NeXT user in '89, and I've refused to regress. When something better than NeXTSTEP comes along (which Rhapsody may prove to be), I will switch again, and yet again when something better than that shows up. >Who give a damn for the truth? The truth is, you settle for far too little. What I find apalling about PC's is how little they've improved since I first abandoned them in 1984. PC's have layered one half-assed hack on top of another to try to address their fundamental design flaws, and they still suck. >Well, you can tell yourself all the PC horror stories you want, >won't make any difference. I've had enough of trying change some >of the misinformation spread about PCs. What misinformation? PC's are crap. I know this from direct personal experience, which includes developing hardware and software for the PC, from 1981 to 1984, and from subsequently working on many vastly better systems. Hell, just look at the PC's contemporaries from 1982! The S-100 buss had 24 bit addressing, the VME Bus was physically incapable of having an interrupt conflict, as was the Apple II bus, for crying out loud. Why does the PC still have interrupt conflicts? PC's weren't even up to the engineering standards of the day they first shipped, and they've consistently floundered around trying to play catch-up ever since. >Just think about this, if Apple wins and everyone buys one of their >computers or one of their clones, who's left out there to hate? I don't hate PC users, I pity you. -jcr
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Sender: <remove@freemail.nll> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5p7g1q$945$2877@cadmium.aware.nl> Control: cancel <5p7g1q$945$2877@cadmium.aware.nl> Date: 30 Jun 1997 06:18:39 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.5p7g1q$945$2877@cadmium.aware.nl> Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. A report will be published shortly on news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 30 Jun 1997 01:49:18 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5p7rue$lff@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> <33b727fc.17481717@news.sover.net> ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: >[munch] >>cost-cutting decisions on future users of their half-assed knock-off >>of an Apple II." >.. >Which is actually a half-assed knock-off of the S-100 design. Let's >give credit where due. No, the Apple II bus was an improvement over the Altair bus. (I don't call it S-100, because I respect Ed Roberts' prerogative of naming his own invention.) It was superior in that it can't have address conflicts. Woz *looked* at the Altair bus, and *improved* upon it. He advanced the state of the art. IBM caused a regression. >It 's also not physically possible to do lots of things with the Apple >II bus which explains why it's a half-assed knock-off. I'm calling you on this one: What were you able to do with the Altair bus that you couldn't do in the Apple II? As for it being a knock-off of the Altair, I disagree. It's a bus designed to serve as the backplane of a 6502-based machine, and it did a fine job of that. [munch again] >Look, I agree that the PC bus and architecture are far from perfect >but they are workable. And with less pain than you experience. I don't experience any pain from this, because I don't use the damn things. They have been examined and found inadequate for my purposes. Horse-drawn carriages are workable. If you're satisfied with the sad state of Intel hardware today, then you can save a lot of money, by trading it off for your time. My time's worth more than that. >We could also discuss the fact that it's obvious that analog people >weren't involved PC design. Funny you should bring that up: The four machines that failed, in my first order of five IBM PC's all had power supply problems. >But, hey, the world isn't perfect and that's that. No, the world sure isn't perfect, and that's why I choose the best of my available alternatives. Intel boxes ain't it! -jcr
From: Paul Seelig <seelig@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Prolog for NeXt Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:18:41 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <33B3CB70.BD9@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everybody! Is there a good Prolog compiler available for NeXt? Cheers, P. *8^)
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From: "William Lowe" <wlowe@spamlesserols.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:43:01 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5p8glm$ccn@winter.erols.com> References: <5p6pae$7q4@idiom.com><5p79me$s3r@ultranews.duc.auburn.edu> <onhvcKS00iV_01urA0@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger wrote in article ... :Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 30-Jun-97 Re: I give up, :Prelude is i.. by James C. Stutts@eng.aubu :> You, of course, do realize we haven't had a 640K limit for quite some time. : :Odd thing: type 'mem' in a "MS-DOS Command Prompt" window, and take a :look at the section on conventional memory. : What makes you think that programs today run in real mode, or Virtual-86 mode, which is the only place where conventional memory even matters? Today's programs run in protected mode, which only sees flat memory. Programs like Win95 and WinNT and OS/2, not to mention all those DOS games people still play, like Quake and Doom and Duke Nukem. Funny, isn't it? :Odd thing #2: why is the bottom 1MB of memory on a 1997 Intel machine :with 64 MB of RAM still have the VGA video framebuffer located in the :way at 640K, along with all of the other detrius of the Intel legacy :(things like a 64K page frame for doing EMS, chunks around C000 and F000 :used for system ROM, and so forth)? Read above. Protected mode also eliminates any problems with that segmented memory bit. Memory is remaped around the framebuffer exception. You're living in the past if you think that someone who buys a computer with Win95 will ever have any problems due to segmented memory. "My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor, GHOST LIGHT Remove "spamless" from my address to reply by e-mail
From: davewang@wam.umd.edu.@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 30 Jun 1997 15:27:01 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <5p8j85$4rt$1@hecate.umd.edu> John Bauer (drifterusa@macconnect.com) wrote: : David T. Wang wrote: : > I will readily admit that at times it takes some expertise to get a large : > system of PC's going strong. Funny thing is that I've talked to a bunch : > of "sysadmins" that barely know a serial port from a parallel port. : If companies are so desperate to hire tech support staff that they'll take : people who do not know anything about the machines they are supposed to : support, doesn't it make sense to buy equipment that is easier to work : with in the first place? Maybe an excess of newbies in tech support is : the reason behind Gartner's findings of lower Mac support costs. Just a : thought. I think that the move is toward a powerful departmental server and clients. a fat server, fat client kind of thing, and it's been pretty much decided that the server will be an NT box, and once that's decided, it makes more sense to go with some sort of Windows client. Apple had nothing to compete in the server space, and I think that Amelio realized that, and went for NeXTStep instead of BeOS. (ofcourse there are plenty of people trying to change the Fat-server fat Client world, because that means windows everywhere, but it remains to see if anything else can compete successfully.) : John Bauer
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:40:21 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <AnhvR5K00iV_01uqg0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> <ckoller-2806972107190001@4.san-francisco-004.ca.dial-access.att.net> <33b728b9.17671059@news.sover.net> In-Reply-To: <33b728b9.17671059@news.sover.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 30-Jun-97 Re: I give up, Prelude is i.. by Lance Togar@msn.com > chance, people do it all the time. I remember being called out to a > local newspaper where the manager had plugged the *same* external SCSI > drive into *two* Macs. He figured they could share it. Very logical > when you think about it. Of course it is. The SCSI standard covers situations where there are multiple SCSI controllers (or "host adaptors" to you PeeCee people). > However, it *didn't* work. That's not surprising-- very few SCSI controllers properly arbitrate the bus with other controllers since it's more expesnive to design them to do it correctly, but there are some that do. > BTW, most IDE cables are keyed and will only fit one way. "most" means "more than 50%", and my experience has been that your claim is false. The majority of IDE cables I've seen are not keyed and will fit both ways. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:52:22 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <onhvcKS00iV_01urA0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5p6pae$7q4@idiom.com> <5p79me$s3r@ultranews.duc.auburn.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 30-Jun-97 Re: I give up, Prelude is i.. by James C. Stutts@eng.aubu > You, of course, do realize we haven't had a 640K limit for quite some time. Odd thing: type 'mem' in a "MS-DOS Command Prompt" window, and take a look at the section on conventional memory. Odd thing #2: why is the bottom 1MB of memory on a 1997 Intel machine with 64 MB of RAM still have the VGA video framebuffer located in the way at 640K, along with all of the other detrius of the Intel legacy (things like a 64K page frame for doing EMS, chunks around C000 and F000 used for system ROM, and so forth)? > Also, most ISA configurations may be handled with the system's BIOS, > which is usually point and click these days. "Most" != "all". I've seen so-called plug-n-play BIOS' misconfigure themselves, and it's a royal pain to undo or move some non plug-n-play to another IRQ/DMA channel in order to avoid a conflict. No doubt some apologist will try to defend the above situation, too. > PCI is much simpler. After roughly 17 years and a nearly endless list of terrible bus standards, the Intel world finally talked to and looked at the rest of the industry, and managed to agree to something reasonable. > Interestingly enough, Sun will be using PCI slots soon, as SGI does now. > More of that "crappy" PC tech, huh? Why, no-- PCI isn't Intel/PeeCee technology; go read your history on who was involved in creating the PCI architecture. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 30 Jun 1997 15:15:16 GMT Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <5p8ii4$7o1@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-User: scholl Jay Riley (datamagik@usa.net) wrote: : In article <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>, : scholl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward P Scholl) wrote: : >well, as in everything you buy, there is a difference between inexpensive : >cheap and poor quality cheap when it comes to computers. you just : >shouldn't buy the poor quality stuff. : Okay so you're saying wintel PCs are cheaper than Mac PCs, but you well, i didn't say that, but... they *CAN* be, but aren't neccesarily... : shouldn't buy cheap PCs or (functional) Macs? No, wait you're saying that : you CAN use cheap stuff if you have expertise to distinguish it from cheap : stuff that doesn't work correctly. bingo on the "if you can "distinguish it from cheap stuff that doesn't work correctly." but you don't exactly need expertise to do it. just gotta know how to read. do a little research. learn something. : Why not buy a Mac and save yourself the headaches? you could do that too. or buy a quality clone. i was merely stating when you are buying inexpensive stuff, there is a difference between cheap crap and inexpensive, but well built stuff. : I was FURIOUS at Apple Computer when they let their quality slide down to : what I'd expect from a top shelf wintel maker. I don't know how you people : can STAND it, I really don't. well, both apple and top shelf wintel makers don't generally make their own hardware. rather they buy from other manufacturers. and the top shelf wintel makers tend to use pretty decent parts (generally). what's apple using now that's worse than they used to use? -ed
From: mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Howto use a NeXT .PS file on my MAC Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:36:35 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <mitchell.allen-3006970936360001@236.detroit-005.mi.dial-access.att.net> References: <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> <5p451o$pd0$1@godzilla.gol.com> In article <5p451o$pd0$1@godzilla.gol.com>, hanske@ratatosk.ratatosk.gol.com (Hans Shimizu Karlsson) wrote: > In <tj-2706971155430001@i489.oro.net> Thomas Ferreira wrote: > > > I would like to make a .PS file on my NeXT Computer and somehow load it on > > my PowerMac and then send this file to my Postscript 600DPI Mac printer. > > I am just working on the same thing. CAPer should let you transfer the file > to > you Mac over AppleTalk. On the Mac side, there is something called > EPS2PICT, if I remember correctly, which is needed to translate the > PostScript into a viewable/editable format on the Mac. GraphicConverter > uses this translator for opening .ps files. > > I haven't registered my version yet, so I don't know how well > it works. > > The PICT is supposed to retain the > vector information, but I seem to remember that there are some limitations. > > Anyway, without DiplayPostScript in Mac OS there doesn't seem to be > much point in bringing over the files for the sake of editing on the Mac, > does it? > You could just put it on a Mac formatted floppy and open it on the Mac in Illustrator, if you have it. That works. Mitch
From: alex@WebIS.net (Alex Kac) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:21:02 -0600 Organization: Web Information Solutions---Interactive and database web design studio Message-ID: <alex-3006971121020001@192.168.1.3> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> <ckoller-2806972107190001@4.san-francisco-004.ca.dial-access.att.net> In article <ckoller-2806972107190001@4.san-francisco-004.ca.dial-access.att.net>, ckoller@worldnet.att.net (Craig Koller) wrote: : In article <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance : Togar) wrote: : : > On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:23:42 -0400, maury@softarc.com (Maury : > Markowitz) wrote: : > : > > I found the facinating fact that IDE cables can be plugged in upside : > >down! Who the HELL invented this CRAP?!?! : > .. : > The same dude who did the Apple 25 pin serial, ah, da, I mean SCSI : > connector. : : Yup, but there's this big ol' SCSI ICON printed on the back of the : computer. It takes a lot of ignorance to plug a parallel printer into a : Mac SCSI port. I remember when our true blue IBM MIS guy did exactly that : to a Mac SE and an HP Laserjet back in '89. Well......actually, on the Amiga 3000, which used a Centronics Parallel Port (same plug as SCSI), the parallel port and the SCSI port were stacked. +-------------------+ | ----p | | ----s | +-------------------+ A few times when I was trying to plug the printer in, I accidentally plugged it into the SCSI port. The Amiga refused to start. Then, when I joined Apple in 1994, one of the first questions during my interview was an example of a caller who had a Brother printer and he hooked it up to his Mac and it refused to print. Well, it took a few seconds to figure out that he had a Centronics printer and hooked it up to the Mac's SCSI port. So...I think that although on Mac's, the SCSI port IS hard to mix up, on PCs, Amigas, etc...it is not. -- Web Information Solutions develops interactive and database driven websites. For more information, go to <http://www.WebIS.net>
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prolog for NeXTStation? Date: 30 Jun 1997 12:02:34 GMT Organization: Personal Message-ID: <5p878q$2d8@rumah.pc.my> References: <5p60d9$30k$3@news2.nctu.edu.tw> There's sbprolog which is free, but command line only. I've had it on my slab just about forever, so I don't remember where it came from. I'm sure Archie should be able to find it, or I could email it if someone is interested. Mike --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ?digman?@neosoft.com (Larry Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:43:52 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> > .. > So, let me guess... you probably think the older "high quality" Macs > where hand made at a troll shop in upstate New York. Actually, they were manufactured in Fremont, California. The fact is, since Apple doesn't manufacture any components, it's always purchased parts from the very same sources as everyone else. False. Many components are Apple-designed ASICs, and Apple spec'ed components (like the Sony SuperDrive) that were manufactured exclusively by Apple or for Apple by OEMs adhering to Apple specifications. Really wasn't until a couple of years ago that Apple started using the cheaper industry- standard parts in order to more effectively compete with the Wintel market in terms of pricing and availability. Apple's assembly quality has ranged from not-so-hot to above average. Absolutely not true. Apple's quality is world renowned and they have garnered top awards world-wide, among them the Malcolm Baldridge Award, J.D. Power, etc. It's easy to find Intel PCs that are built better than anything Apple has to offer. I wish you would tell me where,seeing as I have worked at both Compaq and Dell, both recognized as industry leaders, and am well-acquainted with their commitment to quality, and have found them to rival, but not surpass Apple, in terms of overall quality. It's easy because there is so many choices and so much competition. Competition doesn't ensure quality, quite the opposite. In the rush to bring products to market to effectively compete, I have witnessed shorter beta-test cycles,relaxed quality controls, and scaled-back commitments to supporting those products once they've been deployed. I'm all for choice,however,although I'm not quite following you on how choice relates to inherent quality.
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:26:20 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-3006971426200001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> <33b7731d.40115733@nntp.idir.net> In article <33b7731d.40115733@nntp.idir.net>, nhughes@idir.net (nate) wrote: > OK, I am not a compsci major or a programmer, but I do know how to > find available IRQs and set the jumpers properly. It is not that > hard. You apparently aren't an English major either, because you completely missed his point. At the time the PC "standard" was being put down by IBM, every other bus in the world was more advanced. IBM took a step *backwards* and even in three attempts since to fix it with somewhat to totally incompatible busses, it didn't get fixed until PCI cam along FIFTEEN YEARS later! Maury
From: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep Read Receipts and Procmail Date: 30 Jun 1997 17:29:57 GMT Organization: The PEAK FTP Archive for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Message-ID: <5p8qel$qqb$1@bashir.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is a new revised standard read-receipt parsing script for procmail It should have all the languages supported by NeXTStep/OpenStep # # This file: $RCFILES/read-receipts-parse.rc # where $RCFILES is defined in ~/.procmail # # Usage (in ~/.procmailrc): # :0W # * ^Subject: Read Receipt$ # * ^Received: by NeXT.Mailer # { INCLUDERC=$RCFILES/read-receipts-parse.rc } # :0 B * (Meddelandet angaende|\ Your message regarding|\ Il messaggio relativo a|\ El mensaje relacionado con|\ Votre message concernant|\ Ihre Mitteilung bezueglich) "\/[^"]* { SUBJECT=$MATCH :0fhw | formail -I "Subject: $SUBJECT" :0 | appnmail Read-Receipts } -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html *** Starting July 2nd I will be taking Hebrew. Email and Usenet response time will be noticeably slower. ***
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Sender: chairpak@chairpak.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <33b7785e.0@news.net999.com> Control: cancel <33b7785e.0@news.net999.com> Date: 30 Jun 1997 18:57:45 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.33b7785e.0@news.net999.com> Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. A report will be published shortly on news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:32:02 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-3006971432020001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> <maury-2906971013110001@198.133.37.103> <33b72397.16357420@news.sover.net> In article <33b72397.16357420@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Then it must be working. I see, the only way it could possibly not be working is if I did something wrong. Gee, that seems to fly in the face of all the problems other people have pointed out with this - I've had at least three letters now saying I shouldn't even bother trying to install it, and simply use OpenStep Enterprise instead because they had the same problems. I guess we're all just doing it wrong eh? Maury
From: fpovey@erols.com (Fred Povey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:17:43 -0400 Organization: none Message-ID: <fpovey-ya023080002906971317430001@news.erols.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com>, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > This is the kind of head-standing you have to do, because you have > a 640K memory limit, because some ASSHOLE at IBM didn't think about > expansion at all, and provide a pointer in the low end of the RAM > to tell you where to look for the video buffer. No, he HARD WIRED > it in! Not at IBM. At Microsoft. He said something along the lines of, "If anybody out there thinks they would EVER need more than 640K of RAM, I wish they would tell me why." His name was Bill Gates.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need help from you about Nextstep.. Thanx Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:28:36 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0ni1Poq00iWP05h5Q0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <Added.Mni1LP600UdhJB_E5Y@andrew.cmu.edu> This intended for "Jean-Claude" <murdoks@mbox.vol.it>, since email to that address bounces. I'm going to leave the full headers in so that he (or his service provider) can diagnose the problem. ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Return-path: <MAILER-DAEMON@andrew.cmu.edu> X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID </afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr17/cs4w/Mailbox/sni1LPy00UdhJB:E9K>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <Added.Mni1LP600UdhJB_E5Y@andrew.cmu.edu> Received: from localhost (localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) with internal id QAA19713; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:23:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:23:40 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@andrew.cmu.edu> To: <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="QAA19713.867702220/po9.andrew.cmu.edu" Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --QAA19713.867702220/po9.andrew.cmu.edu The original message was received at Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:45 -0400 from postman@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- murdoks@mbox.vol.it ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to k100-fddi.mbox.vol.it.: >>> RCPT To:<murdoks@mbox.vol.it> <<< 550 <murdoks@mbox.vol.it>... User unknown 550 murdoks@mbox.vol.it... User unknown --QAA19713.867702220/po9.andrew.cmu.edu Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; po9.andrew.cmu.edu Arrival-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:45 -0400 Final-Recipient: rfc822; murdoks@mbox.vol.it Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; k100-fddi.mbox.vol.it Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 <murdoks@mbox.vol.it>... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:23:39 -0400 --QAA19713.867702220/po9.andrew.cmu.edu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA19708 for murdoks@mbox.vol.it; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:45 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID </afs/andrew.cmu.edu/service/mailqs/q007/QF.Qni1K7G00iWP01Asc0>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID </afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr17/cs4w/.Outgoing/QF.8ni1K6i00iWP05h2w0>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.NeXT.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NO T.LINKED.pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <cni1K6e00iWP05h2o0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: "Jean-Claude" <murdoks@mbox.vol.it> Subject: Re: Need help from you about Nextstep.. Thanx Cc: In-Reply-To: <199706301718.TAA00462@fes3.cs.tol.it> References: <199706301718.TAA00462@fes3.cs.tol.it> Excerpts from mail: 30-Jun-97 Need help from you about Ne.. by "Jean-Claude"@mbox.vol.i > i've tried to use UNIX gunzip and tar command but NEXTSTEP says that cannot > exctract files beacuse file name too long (???).. Use 'gnutar' instead of just 'tar'. > I've this problem ever when i download a file from internet under WINNT... > can you take me a WEB BROWSER for NEXTSTEP and explain me to install > correctly the modem, the needed protocol and the software,, to let me > navigate the web... and don't disturb you no more ? Uhh...it depends on what protocol your service provider wants you to use. Take a look at <URL=http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/> and check out the PPP and/or SLIP software. There are links and a FAQ there. NEXTSTEP software usually decompresses into a ".pkg" file which you double-click on to run the Installer, which is very user friendly. > THANK YOU very much. You're welcome, -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. --QAA19713.867702220/po9.andrew.cmu.edu-- Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 00:50:01 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:43:52 -0500, ?digman?@neosoft.com (Larry Campbell) wrote: > > >> .. >> So, let me guess... you probably think the older "high quality" Macs >> where hand made at a troll shop in upstate New York. > >Actually, they were manufactured in Fremont, California. > .. They may have been assembled in Fremont. There's a difference. .. .. > The fact is, since Apple doesn't manufacture any components, it's always >purchased parts from the very same sources as everyone else. .. >False. Many components are Apple-designed ASICs, and Apple spec'ed >components (like the Sony SuperDrive) that were manufactured exclusively >by Apple or for Apple by OEMs adhering to Apple specifications. .. I'm not sure what you mean here. ASICs have to be programmed or they're pretty much worthless. Apple and everyone else who uses ASICs (includes just about all the manufacturers) must program them and send'em off to be made... buy the *same* companies in the *same* plants. With the exception of the Lias twiggy drive (actually, I think *that* was made *for* them), I've never seen or heard of an Apple made drive. OEMs usually make stuff to customer specs. With the exception of some of the electronics and an extra "push the diskette out" solenoid, the SuperDrive is a regular Sony 3.5" drive. .. .. >Really wasn't until a couple of years ago that Apple started using the cheaper >industry- standard parts in order to more effectively compete with the Wintel >market in terms of pricing and availability. .. They've *always* used these parts. I have Apple II, made in Singapore, cards from 1978! .. .. >Apple's assembly quality has ranged from not-so-hot to above average. > >Absolutely not true. >Apple's quality is world renowned and they have garnered top awards >world-wide, among them the Malcolm Baldridge Award, J.D. Power, etc. .. One more time: Apple's assembly quality has ranged from not-so-hot to above average. .. > It's easy to find Intel PCs that are built better than anything Apple has >to offer. .. >I wish you would tell me where,seeing as I have worked at both Compaq and Dell, >both recognized as industry leaders, and am well-acquainted with their >commitment to quality, and have found them to rival, but not surpass >Apple, >in terms of overall quality. .. In terms of quality, Mylex and AMI make system boards that have no counterpart at Apple. There are some off shore companies like Abit & ASUSTeK that come embarrassingly close for less money. .. .. > It's easy because there is so many choices and so much competition. .. >Competition doesn't ensure quality, quite the opposite. >In the rush to bring products to market to effectively compete, >I have witnessed shorter beta-test cycles,relaxed quality controls, >and scaled-back commitments to supporting those products once they've >been deployed. .. If you consistently make junk and people have a choice you won't need to worry about making anything in the long run. Choice is a good thing. .. .. >I'm all for choice,however,although I'm not quite following you on >how choice relates to inherent quality. .. I didn't write that competition ensures quality. It does, however, better your chances of finding it. How could it be any different? .. ..
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 01:16:55 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33b8580a.70890625@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> <ckoller-2806972107190001@4.san-francisco-004.ca.dial-access.att.net> <33b728b9.17671059@news.sover.net> <AnhvR5K00iV_01uqg0@andrew.cmu.edu> On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:40:21 -0400, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: .. >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 30-Jun-97 Re: I give up, >Prelude is i.. by Lance Togar@msn.com >> chance, people do it all the time. I remember being called out to a >> local newspaper where the manager had plugged the *same* external SCSI >> drive into *two* Macs. He figured they could share it. Very logical >> when you think about it. .. >Of course it is. The SCSI standard covers situations where there are >multiple SCSI controllers (or "host adaptors" to you PeeCee people). .. Plug it into the SCSI for you Mac people. .. .. >> However, it *didn't* work. > >That's not surprising-- very few SCSI controllers properly arbitrate the >bus with other controllers since it's more expesnive to design them to >do it correctly, but there are some that do. .. The point was that this won't work on a Mac although it seems logical. All of the Adaptec controllers that I'm aware of will work as you describe. It the OSs that can't deal with it. .. .. >> BTW, most IDE cables are keyed and will only fit one way. > >"most" means "more than 50%", and my experience has been that your claim >is false. The majority of IDE cables I've seen are not keyed and will >fit both ways. .. All of the cables I've seen or purchased in the last year or so are keyed. I remember well because it's frequently a pain in the *** as are keyed ribbon SCSI cables. I usually don't bother and make my own. I *do*, however, press the stripe next to pin 2 - even if *I* don't use it that way. .. ..
From: stuttjc@eng.auburn.edu (James C. Stutts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 1 Jul 1997 02:39:58 GMT Organization: Auburn University College of Engineering Message-ID: <5p9qlu$a1g@ultranews.duc.auburn.edu> References: <onhvcKS00iV_01urA0@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <onhvcKS00iV_01urA0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 30-Jun-97 Re: I give up, >Prelude is i.. by James C. Stutts@eng.aubu >> You, of course, do realize we haven't had a 640K limit for quite some time. > >Odd thing: type 'mem' in a "MS-DOS Command Prompt" window, and take a >look at the section on conventional memory. > I use NT. This doesn't apply. Any way, it only applies for 95 in the emulation of DOS. The operating system itself does not have this limitation. <snip> > >> Also, most ISA configurations may be handled with the system's BIOS, >> which is usually point and click these days. > >"Most" != "all". I've seen so-called plug-n-play BIOS' misconfigure >themselves, and it's a royal pain to undo or move some non plug-n-play >to another IRQ/DMA channel in order to avoid a conflict. AMIBios doesn't have these problems. :) >> Interestingly enough, Sun will be using PCI slots soon, as SGI does now. >> More of that "crappy" PC tech, huh? > >Why, no-- PCI isn't Intel/PeeCee technology; go read your history on >who was involved in creating the PCI architecture. Fine, but its "PC", not "PeeCee." JCS
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From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:42:28 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <gni8eoC00iWp0B8Ks0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> <ckoller-2806972107190001@4.san-francisco-004.ca.dial-access.att.net> <33b728b9.17671059@news.sover.net> <AnhvR5K00iV_01uqg0@andrew.cmu.edu> <33b8580a.70890625@news.sover.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 1-Jul-97 Re: I give up, Prelude is i.. by Lance Togar@msn.com >> Of course it is. The SCSI standard covers situations where there are >> multiple SCSI controllers (or "host adaptors" to you PeeCee people). > .. > Plug it into the SCSI for you Mac people. Who are you talking about? I've never owned a Mac. [ ...I didn't see anything to comment on afterwards... ] -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
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From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.REMOVE_ME.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prolog for NeXt Date: 1 Jul 1997 08:23:52 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <5paeqo$5m8$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <33B3CB70.BD9@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My personal favourite ist SICStus Prolog. It is fast, is similar to Quintus Prolog, compiles fine under various versions of NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP and allows for a painless intergration of either C code into the prolog interpreter or the complete prolog runtime into a "standalone" C program. But, alas, it is commercial. http://www.sics.se/sicstus.html If you are not willing to pay, you might want to have a look at SWI Prolog. It's fairly good as well but I found it difficult to compile and never got the C integration working properly. Also, it does of course accept standard Edinburgh syntax and has most of the "common" libraries but it might surprise you at times when you are used to Quintus. http://www.swi.psy.uva.nl/usr/jan/SWI-Prolog.html have fun erik -- Erik Dörnenburg -- OBJECT FACTORY -- Gesellschaft für Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH -- http://www.object-factory.com/~erik
From: sanjeev@ee.umr.edu (Sanjeev Agarwal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: NXImage.... Date: 1 Jul 1997 10:33:51 GMT Organization: UMR Missouri's Technological University Message-ID: <5pamef$3b6$4@news.cc.umr.edu> Hi, I have a problem. I am working on a image processing application on NextStep 3.2. I am using NXImage class with NXBitmapImageRep to specify the bitmap for the image. For this I provide the image data as a unsigned char array to the "initData: pixelsWide: pixelsHigh:.... procedure of NXBitmapImageRep. Now I make some changes to the image data (by changing pixel value in the array)!! How do I make it visible on the window. I mean when I say display should the changes not show up on the window??? Please help... If I need to take some other path to composite the NXImage please let me know... Thanx in advance ... Sanjeev
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 1 Jul 1997 05:57:28 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <5pauro$mdb@idiom.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> ?digman?@neosoft.com (Larry Campbell) writes: > It's easy to find Intel PCs that are built better than anything Apple has >to offer. You can make an Intel PC with a solid titanium case, and a carved-moonrock faceplate, and it would still suffer from IBM's original design fuck-ups, not to mention Intel's pathetic excuse for a processor architecture. "Better Built", indeed. -jcr
From: ?digman?@neosoft.com (Larry Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 07:59:23 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> > They may have been assembled in Fremont. There's a difference. I suppose you've worked in manufacturing for large computer companies before and can tell us all about it,right? It sounds like you're reaching, Lance. You really don't know that much about Apple equipment, so you're blowing smoke. > >False. Many components are Apple-designed ASICs, and Apple spec'ed > >components (like the Sony SuperDrive) that were manufactured exclusively > >by Apple or for Apple by OEMs adhering to Apple specifications. > .. > I'm not sure what you mean here. Sure you do. I don't think any of my post can be construed as misleading or vague. ASICs have to be programmed or> they're pretty much worthless. Apple and everyone else who uses ASICs > (includes just about all the manufacturers) must program them and > send'em off to be made... buy the *same* companies in the *same* > plants. With the exception of the Lias twiggy drive (actually, I think > *that* was made *for* them), I've never seen or heard of an Apple made > drive. OEMs usually make stuff to customer specs. With the exception > of some of the electronics and an extra "push the diskette out" > solenoid, the SuperDrive is a regular Sony 3.5" drive. Just because you haven't heard, or stated differently, have NO knowledge of something doesn't mean a damn thing. Reread my post, Lance. What does "manufactured for Apple by OEMs adhering to Apple specifications" mean? Your appraisal of the differences between Apple/reg Sony drives is laughable. Lessee, with the exception of the ROMs and a few Apple specific ASICs, and all the extra built-in features like fast SCSI and ethernet, the Apple logic boards are just regular PC logic boards, right,Lance? Get a grip. > .. > They've *always* used these parts. I have Apple II, made in Singapore, > cards from 1978! Engineered by Apple, produced by offshore labor. Your point is? I was actually referring to PCI and EIDE. > >Apple's quality is world renowned and they have garnered top awards > >world-wide, among them the Malcolm Baldridge Award, J.D. Power, etc. > .. > One more time: > Apple's assembly quality has ranged from not-so-hot to above average. One more time: You are full of shit. You obviously haven't the faintest idea about what constitutes quality. > In terms of quality, Mylex and AMI make system boards that have no > counterpart at Apple. There are some off shore companies like Abit & > ASUSTeK that come embarrassingly close for less money. One more time: You are full of shit. If I had a nickel for every bad AMI board I've had to swap out.... Abit's a nice board. Plug 'n Play, auto-configuring, what my Mac's had for years. Welcome to the party. > If you consistently make junk and people have a choice you won't need > to worry about making anything in the long run. Choice is a good > thing. That's probably why Apple just sold their 27 MILLIONTH Mac, and why they're backlogged. Good call. > .. > I didn't write that competition ensures quality. It does, however, > better your chances of finding it. How could it be any different? You proceed from a fallacious assumption; that competition ensures quality by making a quality product easier to find. The two are mutually exclusive.
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:32:06 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33B744D6.236E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Randolph wrote: > > ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: > > [munch] > >Well, I've the same experience with hardware and software. The PC > >platform seems fine for 10 of 1000s of developers. What's your problem > >with it... > > And McDonalds' is fine for the Billions Served(tm). Re-stating that > there are a bunch of PCs, and a bunch of tortured engineers sweating > blood to work around the mistakes in the architecture, doesn't > rebut my criticism of the PC platform at all. > > > PCs are crap doesn't mean much... actually anything. > > Okay, how about "PC's were designed by assholes and marketing dinks > who couldn't be bothered to even consider the impact of their > cost-cutting decisions on future users of their half-assed knock-off > of an Apple II." > > >>>You will make a fine mac advocate. You have the logic, How does it > >>>go? Uh, I built PC's back in 1984 and couldn't figure them out so > >>>they must really suck in 97. You deserve a mac. > >.. > >>Umm, I believe he also wrote that he returned to PCs in the 90s > >>and found no improvements in architecture at all from 1984. > >.. > >He didn't look very hard. > > Oh, I looked hard all right. I looked at the damn things every > time a new fad came down the pike claiming to fix the brain damage > that IBM saddled you all with. Let's look at the scoreboard, shall > we? > > ISA bus: > > Memory usage, and interrupt numbers for each board are determined > by the board, not by the slot. Set the jumpers wrong, and two > boards try to respond to the same addresses. (contrast to the Apple > II bus, where the addresses available to a board are determined by > the number of the slot. It is not *physically* possible to have > address conflicts in the Apple II bus.) > > EISA Bus: > > Same brain damage as above, but the data path is expanded to 16 > bits. > > VLB: > > "The bus is fucked, so we'll just give you the direct access to > the CPU pins, pretty much." The problem with this approach is, > now you have to improvise a bus again, because there's no real bus > arbitration. (What address do I answer? I'll read my DIP switches!) > > Expanded Memory: > > Lotus, Intel and Microsoft, realizing that the 640K memory limit > was a Real Big Problem, decide to install a bank-switching scheme, > mapping some number of megs of real RAM into a window of a few K > of the physical memory map. > > Okay for data, as long as you didn't try to allocate any single > block bigger than the page size (64K), which neatly conicides with > the brain-damaged segmented memory architecture of Intel's excrebale > excuse for CPU, but it's a *real* bitch to try to run code out of > a bank-switched memory board. > > Overlay Linkers (e.g. P/Link): > > Your code doesn't fit in 640K? Okay, just figure out which parts > need to be in RAM at the same time, and when you call from an > overlay into another overlay, we'll just swap in the code you're > calling, and swap it back out when you return from the called > routine. > > This is the kind of head-standing you have to do, because you have > a 640K memory limit, because some ASSHOLE at IBM didn't think about > expansion at all, and provide a pointer in the low end of the RAM > to tell you where to look for the video buffer. No, he HARD WIRED > it in! > > I had intended to keep this discussion in the hardware realm, but > Linkers and loaders are *real* close to the metal. If I get into > discussing DOS and Windows, I'm going really start on a rant. > > I've got dozens of these, but this post is long enough.. > > -jcr And what about technologies that are somewhat recent? ISA, EISA, and VLB are older bus implementations (the latter two are hardly used anymore). I guess you would suggest that NuBus is the pinnacle of bus design. But wait, Apple is using PCI now. Hmm, does that mean Macs are crap? And why did Apple take so long to adopt it? I also find it interesting that Apple bought NeXTStep/OpenStep which runs on Intel hardware over the BeOS which runs on Mac hardware.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jackson@usenix.org (Jackson Dodd) Subject: USENIX 1998 ANNUAL TECHNICAL CONFERENCE - Call for Papers Message-ID: <ECnJ7n.Aur@usenix.org> Keywords: USENIX, annual, technical, conference Organization: USENIX Association Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:57:23 GMT ANNOUNCEMENT & CALL FOR PARTICIPATION USENIX 1998 Annual Technical Conference June 15-19, 1998, New Orleans, Louisiana The 1998 USENIX Technical Conference Program Committee seeks original and innovative papers about the applications, architecture, implementation, and performance of modern computing systems. Papers that analyze problem areas and draw important conclusions from practical experience are especially welcome. Some particularly interesting application topics are: ActiveX, Inferno, Java, and other embeddable environments Distributed caching and replication Extensible operating systems Freely distributable software Internet telephony Interoperability of heterogeneous systems Nomadic and wireless computing Privacy and security Quality of service Ubiquitous computing and messaging A major focus of this conference is the challenge of technology: What is the effect of commodity hardware on how we build new systems and applications? What is the effect of next-generation hardware? We seek original work describing the effect of hardware technology on software. Examples of relevant hardware include but are not limited to: Cheap, fast personal computers Cheap, large DRAM and disks Flash memory Gigabit networks Wireless networks Cable modems WebTV Personal digital assistants Network computers The conference will also feature tutorials, invited talks, BOFs, and Vendor Exhibits. ============================================================= For more information about this event: * Visit the USENIX Web site: http://www.usenix.org/events/no98/index.html * Send email to the USENIX mailserver at info@usenix.org. Your message should contain the line: "send usenix98 conferences". * Or watch comp.org.usenix for full postings ======================================== Papers due: December 5, 1997 ======================================== The USENIX Association brings together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of computing. Its technical conferences are the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems.
From: jm@nospam.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ISP Connection drops after 6 minutes Date: 1 Jul 1997 21:17:38 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5pbs5i$km2@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 With GateKeeper current beta, NS 3.2, ppp2.2.0.4.6, and ZyXEL elite 2864 with current firmware, ISP connection drops (unexpectedly) after about 6 minutes (sometimes get up to 12 mins). GateKeeper usually reconnects immediately. Tried upgrading to the ppp2.3beta3 (which works very well), changing modem init strings, but cannot eliminate the dropped connection. The connection drops every time. Tried working with the ISP, but they were unable to help. Thanks for any suggestions to eliminate this problem. -- Please respond as needed to: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com NeXTMail/MIME welcome
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 03:12:50 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33b72397.16357420@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net> <maury-2906971013110001@198.133.37.103> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:13:11 -0400, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: >In article <33b5d567.20998564@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance >Togar) wrote: > >> The same dude who did the Apple 25 pin serial, ah, da, I mean SCSI >> connector. > > It's a D-connector and only goes in one way. .. But happens to fit far more devices that it wasn't intended for rather then the other way around. .. >> You could read the manual (RTFM). > > Yes, thank you for your advice. .. Sorry about that. .. .. >> You probably should have noticed >> there are 100 of 1000s of people who don't have this problem. It could >> be you're doing something wrong. > > It is not. .. Then it must be working. .. ..
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 03:33:06 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Campbell wrote: > > > >Apple's quality is world renowned and they have garnered top awards > > >world-wide, among them the Malcolm Baldridge Award, J.D. Power, etc. > > .. > > One more time: > > Apple's assembly quality has ranged from not-so-hot to above average. > > One more time: > You are full of shit. > You obviously haven't the faintest idea about what constitutes quality. > Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. The 21" monitor our lab had (note past tense) didn't last 4 years before every freaking part died. Apple 1710AV monitors also some to mind as does the Performa 5215 my wife has that had a screwed up video cable that would suddenly go green. What about those RAM problems? So what about the awards? I believe Dell and Compaq have both received that same awards. You obviously haven't the faintest idea of what constitutes quality. John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Prolog for NeXTStation? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <ECMJpn.AAs@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 05:10:35 GMT References: <5p60d9$30k$3@news2.nctu.edu.tw> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5p60d9$30k$3@news2.nctu.edu.tw>, Spencer Yu <u8222015@cc.nctu.edu.tw> wrote: >Hi I am looking for a Prolog interpreter for my NeXTStaion...where >can I find a free one? I would prefer one with GUI but anything will do >thanx! Have you tried compiling Stony Brook Prolog? I was going to do it a few years ago but never got around to it. SBP isn't exactly super-amazing and it doesn't have a GUI but it should be doable. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
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From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ISP Connection drops after 6 minutes Date: 2 Jul 1997 14:53:43 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5pdq1n$nrc@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <5pbs5i$km2@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> In article <5pbs5i$km2@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> jm@nospam.com writes: >With GateKeeper current beta, NS 3.2, ppp2.2.0.4.6, and ZyXEL elite >2864 with current firmware, ISP connection drops (unexpectedly) after >about 6 minutes (sometimes get up to 12 mins). GateKeeper usually >reconnects immediately. > >Tried upgrading to the ppp2.3beta3 (which works very well), changing >modem init strings, but cannot eliminate the dropped connection. The >connection drops every time. Tried working with the ISP, but they were >unable to help. > >Thanks for any suggestions to eliminate this problem. > Try disabling V.42bis (the default on most modern modems) and instead enable MNP5. The "\N5" AT command on my Supra. >-- >Please respond as needed to: > >jpmeia@ix.netcom.com >NeXTMail/MIME welcome -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: eggs@linda.teleport.com (~House of BeanWix~) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Kodak Photo-CD on black NeXTSTEP 3.3? Date: 2 Jul 1997 09:21:42 -0700 Organization: Teleport Internet Services Message-ID: <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> Keywords: Photo-CD NeXTSTEP Does NeXTSTEP on black hardware support Photo-CD? If so, does it support Pro Photo-CD too? If the OS doesn't natively support it, are there tools that can read Photo-CD and export to TIFF? I have a Turbo Dimension Cube running NeXTSTEP 3.3, with a standard NeXT CD-Rom drive, and wish to digitally edit Photo-CD images using TIFFany II. If I need to upgrade/downgrade the OS, I will do it...! Scott Neal eggs@teleport.com
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:46:07 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: > Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The > 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. > The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case > so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. Hmmm. Plugging in a cable caused the button to be continually pressed? Troll. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: robdoss@nvc.cc.ca.us (Robert C. Doss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converitng Mach-O to S-Records Date: 2 Jul 1997 18:18:25 GMT Organization: Napa Valley College Message-ID: <5pe61h$1hq@wiley.napanet.net> I'm looking for a utility which would convert the Mach-O object files produced by /bin/as into Motorola S-Record format. I intend to program my embedded MC680xx processor on my NeXT using Motorola /bin/as but I need to have the object file be an S-Record so I can burn the ROMs on my embedded system. Let me make this clear: I do not intend to run the program under NEXTSTEP, instead I want to run it on an embedded system with software developed ubder NEXTSTEP. -- *---------------------------------------------------------------------* |Robert C. Doss Jr. |Internet:RobDoss@nvc.cc.ca.us|NeXT mail & MIME ok| |Napa Valley College|Fax: (707) 253-3063 |MIME mail preferred| *---------------------------------------------------------------------*
From: geordie@chapman.com (Geordie Korper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:02:03 -0500 Organization: Chapman and Cutler Message-ID: <geordie-ya02408000R0207971402030001@kyrie> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: :In article <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: : :> Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The :> 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. :> The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case :> so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. : :Hmmm. Plugging in a cable caused the button to be continually pressed? : :Troll. : Actually if the cover is put on crooked this can happen on some macs. Of course putting the covar on straight will fix it. Hardly a worst design and assembly of a computer case. probably the mac has had memory installed in it by someone who could not close the case. -- Geordie Korper geordie@chapman.com ********************************************************************* * The text above should in no way be construed to represent the * * opinions of my employer, even if specifically stated to do so. * *********************************************************************
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From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:00:28 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> On Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:46:07 -0400, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: >In article <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: > >> Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The >> 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. >> The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case >> so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. > >Hmmm. Plugging in a cable caused the button to be continually pressed? .. >Troll. .. Note, Joe doesn't understand what the guy said *and* (probably the ultimate sin) the guy isn't of the "party" line. So he's called a troll. Nice going Joe. .. ..
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:41:12 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-0207972041120001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net> In article <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Note, Joe doesn't understand what the guy said *and* (probably the > ultimate sin) the guy isn't of the "party" line. So he's called a > troll. Nice going Joe. Well I have to agree with Joe on this one. They've been making the same case for several years now, supporting several models, the 7100, 7200 and 7300. It simply does not have this problem, I've owned two machines based on it. Now if you were to allow a cable on the inside of the case to move into the wrong area so the case cannot be closed properly, sure. I don't fault the case for this though. In fact, it's the best case they've designed in years, since the Q700. Maury
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 02:22:26 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33BB5332.13A4@bit.csc.lsu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Ragosta wrote: > > In article <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: > > > Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The > > 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. > > The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case > > so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. > > Hmmm. Plugging in a cable caused the button to be continually pressed? > No, actually I misspoke. The button was already continually pressed. Plugging in the cable made us realize that. > Troll. Nope. Fact. John
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 03:41:48 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33BB65CC.5729@bit.csc.lsu.edu> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net> <maury-0207972041120001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > > In article <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance > Togar) wrote: > > > Note, Joe doesn't understand what the guy said *and* (probably the > > ultimate sin) the guy isn't of the "party" line. So he's called a > > troll. Nice going Joe. > > Well I have to agree with Joe on this one. They've been making the same > case for several years now, supporting several models, the 7100, 7200 and > 7300. It simply does not have this problem, I've owned two machines based > on it. > The 7100 has a design case different from the 7200 and 7300. In our case, it wasn't a case (no pun intended) of misalignment caused by blockage - it was that the hole just didn't line up. It was by a small amount (and nothing a file wouldn't take care of), but it was just enough. We didn't get too upset about it since we are somewhat computer-savvy, but Mom and Pop trying to get Junior's new Mac to work would probably have. > Now if you were to allow a cable on the inside of the case to move into > the wrong area so the case cannot be closed properly, sure. I don't fault > the case for this though. In fact, it's the best case they've designed in > years, since the Q700. > Oh man. The best case was the Quadra 900 IMHO. Followed by the SE/30 type cases. I wish I still had my Classic II. > Maury John
From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kodak Photo-CD on black NeXTSTEP 3.3? Date: 3 Jul 1997 08:26:10 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5pfnn2$9e6$2@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> eggs@linda.teleport.com (~House of BeanWix~) wrote: > Does NeXTSTEP on black hardware support Photo-CD? [...] Yes, you can read Photo-CDs and export the images to TIFF with the program /NextDeveloper/Demos/PhotoAlbum.app as long as your CD-ROM hardware correctly handles multi-session disks. I don't know whether the "Pro" format is supported too. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:31:47 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-0307971031470001@199.166.204.230> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net> <maury-0207972041120001@199.166.204.230> <33BB65CC.5729@bit.csc.lsu.edu> In article <33BB65CC.5729@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: > Oh man. The best case was the Quadra 900 IMHO. Followed by the SE/30 > type cases. I wish I still had my Classic II. Sorry, but I have to disagree here. The 900 was pretty good, admitedly, but for easy of access the 700 had it beat. Press the tabs, lift off the case. Everything's right there in front of you, and nothing has to be removed to get at RAM, VRAM etc. The SE/30 required a screwdriver to get inside, it may have looked nice, but that's about it. The 7200/7300 series (what was different on the 7100? was it the older 650 case?) are close seconds to the 700. Press two tabs and the case slides off. Swing the left and right portions out of the way, and everything is exposed again. Clean, simple and accessable. Maury
From: Tony Lovell Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: 3 Jul 1997 15:14:35 GMT Organization: Wildfire Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <5pgfkr$11f@gnus.wildfire.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <datamagik-2506971837470001@tcnet01-41.austin.texas.net> <33B263FE.165F@interweb.be> Cc: martin.laurent@interweb.be In <33B263FE.165F@interweb.be> Martin Laurent wrote: > I tried to install it on VirtualPC (1.0b6) on my PowerBook 5300ce but it > didn't work (It display Power Management is Enabled and then nothing). > It seems to work on some Mac and not on other. Perhaps I must try with > the final version of VPC. A common misconception, Martin. A properly installed Virtual PC DOESN'T work. That's why it is a Virtual PC. :) tone
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Kodak Photo-CD on black NeXTSTEP 3.3? Message-ID: <ECqotp.IHx@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:51:25 GMT In article <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> eggs@linda.teleport.com (~House of BeanWix~) writes: > > Does NeXTSTEP on black hardware support Photo-CD? > If so, does it support Pro Photo-CD too? > > If the OS doesn't natively support it, are there tools > that can read Photo-CD and export to TIFF? > > I have a Turbo Dimension Cube running NeXTSTEP 3.3, with > a standard NeXT CD-Rom drive, and wish to digitally edit Photo-CD > images using TIFFany II. If I need to upgrade/downgrade the OS, > I will do it...! > Back in '93 NeXT made a PhotoAlbum.app that was distributed in the demo folder with the NS 3.1 User version, and it was still there in OS 4.0 User. Unfortunately, the CDROM driver in NEXTSTEP only supported single session disks. So if you got a PhotoCD written in one single session it worked fine. Otherwise you could only accesss the first session unless you had one of the rare CDROM drives that mapped multisession into multiple single session disks. I once saw PhotoAlbum at work with the Kodak demo CD on a ND Cube. Besides from taking some time to load, even the highest resolution pictures went just fine. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: Attila <sunny@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: CU-SeeMe Freeware-Reflector Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 19:44:15 +0200 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <33BBE4E1.7F571CE0@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, the CU-SeeMe reflector was precompiled only for the black hardware. However there is still the source for an older version of the freeware version out there. Did anybody try to compile this as a fat binary successfully? I could not so far but I would like to try out the reflector on an Intel OpenStep 4.2. Any help on this would be appreciated - either in the way that I can get it compiled or that somebody contributes. :) The other thing I am looking for are the several MBONE (MulticastBackBone) Tools like sd, vat and nv for Openstep on Intel. Somebody got those compiled for the black hardware again - but I couldn't find those for OS 4.2 on Intel. Hints? sunny@chemie.fu-berlin.de PS: One place where you can find the source of the CU-SeeMe reflector is: ftp://ftp.nasda.go.jp/pub/OS/mac/CU-SeeMe/Reflector/
From: Attila <sunny@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CU-SeeMe Freeware-Reflector Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 19:43:24 +0200 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <33BBE4AD.6189FB13@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: comp.sys.next.software@chemie.fu-berlin.de Hi, the CU-SeeMe reflector was precompiled only for the black hardware. However there is still the source for an older version of the freeware version out there. Did anybody try to compile this as a fat binary successfully? I could not so far but I would like to try out the reflector on an Intel OpenStep 4.2. Any help on this would be appreciated - either in the way that I can get it compiled or that somebody contributes. :) The other thing I am looking for are the several MBONE (MulticastBackBone) Tools like sd, vat and nv for Openstep on Intel. Somebody got those compiled for the black hardware again - but I couldn't find those for OS 4.2 on Intel. Hints? sunny@chemie.fu-berlin.de PS: One place where you can find the source of the CU-SeeMe reflector is: ftp://ftp.nasda.go.jp/pub/OS/mac/CU-SeeMe/Reflector/
From: jray@bigmac.ag.ohio-state.edu (John Ray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [HELP] Error: Can't create Master NetInfo Server Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:41:02 -0600 Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <jray-0307971141020001@128.146.141.134> Hello, I've been running a NS/OS web server for about 2 years, and recently had to switch the IP number on the machine. At the same time as switching the IP, I shut the machine off as the NetInfo server, as the 2 other OS boxes we're using have become standalone. Now, I'd like to switch the machine back so it is a netinfo server, and I keep getting this message (I'm trying to do this w/ Simple Network Starter) Error: Can't Create Master NetInfo Server: (Duplicate domain tag: can't save it) I'm at a bit of a loss... can anyone help? Email appreciated, Thanks, John
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kodak Photo-CD on black NeXTSTEP 3.3? Date: 2 Jul 1997 20:07:39 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5peceb$r5h$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> try first! it works out of the box!=) Godwin ~House of BeanWix~ (eggs@linda.teleport.com) wrote: : Does NeXTSTEP on black hardware support Photo-CD? : If so, does it support Pro Photo-CD too? : If the OS doesn't natively support it, are there tools : that can read Photo-CD and export to TIFF? : I have a Turbo Dimension Cube running NeXTSTEP 3.3, with : a standard NeXT CD-Rom drive, and wish to digitally edit Photo-CD : images using TIFFany II. If I need to upgrade/downgrade the OS, : I will do it...! : Scott Neal : eggs@teleport.com
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From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Error: Can't create Master NetInfo Server Date: 3 Jul 1997 19:07:12 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5pgt90$399$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <jray-0307971141020001@128.146.141.134> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In <jray-0307971141020001@128.146.141.134> John Ray wrote: > I've been running a NS/OS web server for about 2 years, and recently had to > switch the IP number on the machine. At the same time as switching the IP, > I shut the machine off as the NetInfo server, as the 2 other OS boxes we're > using have become standalone. Now, I'd like to switch the machine back so > it is a netinfo server, and I keep getting this message (I'm trying to do > this w/ Simple Network Starter) Simple Network Starter does what it says --- starts up simple networks. Once you've done that you should switch to the more general tools like NetInfoManager.app Fear not --- it's easy really. Netinfo takes a bit of effort to get your head round, but once you do get it, you'll rapidly come to the conclusion that it's the best network management tool since sliced bread. > Error: Can't Create Master NetInfo Server: (Duplicate domain tag: can't > save it) Right. The 'tag' for a netinfo domain is simply the name of the directory where the data is stored on disk: a domain with the tag 'foo' will be stored in the /etc/netinfo/foo.nidb directory. Common tags are 'local' --- the default domain that all machines have, 'network' for the next level up and 'world' or 'super' for the top level in a three level heirarchy. Most installations can get by with a two or three level structure, but you can have as many as you want. Oh, yeah. Domain tags are quite arbitrary: your network domain could be tagged 'network' on the master server, whilst the copy on the clone server can be tagged 'strawberryjam'. > I'm at a bit of a loss... can anyone help? Sure can. The fact that SNS is complaining about duplicate tags suggests that you already have a network.nidb on your machine. You may not be *binding* to the domain, so you don't see any of the contents when doing lookups, but it's there alright. You can list the netinfo databases served by a machine by running 'nidomain -l' in a teminal shell. You can look at the contents of your network domain by using NetInfoManager.app and doing 'Domain:Open By Tag...' To reactivate the old network domain, all you need to do is tell your machines to bind to it. You do that by using NetInfoManager.app to open the /machines/broadcast host directory in the local domain of each machine and adding the key 'serves' with the value '../network'. Then either reboot the machines (netinfo master first) or restart the netinfo servers on the machines by doing 'kill -HUP `cat /etc/nibindd.pid`' in a terminal shell on each machine, again doing the netinfo master first. You'll have to be root to do that though. To get the old network domain out of the way while you create a new one, you can simply rename the .nidb directory and then restart netinfo using the 'kill -HUP `cat /etc/nibindd.pid`' command. Or you can delete the domain for good and all using the command 'nidomain -d network' Once you've got a master netinfo server up and running, I strongly recommend you to make one of the other machines a clone server which you can do via NetInfoManager.app's Domain:Servers... menu. Otherwise, powering off your master server will leave your other machines completely stymied, and if you have a clone server you can transmogrify[*] it into a master server should your master have some sort of mishap. > Email appreciated, [Posted and mailed] Matthew [*] But that requires wizardry beyond the scope of this message... -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
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From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kodak Photo-CD on black NeXTSTEP 3.3? Date: 3 Jul 1997 15:27:31 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5pggd3$88s$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> <5pfnn2$9e6$2@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> The pro is supported it works with mine.. the difference ishigher resolution right? Marcel Bresink (bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de) wrote: : eggs@linda.teleport.com (~House of BeanWix~) wrote: : > Does NeXTSTEP on black hardware support Photo-CD? [...] : Yes, you can read Photo-CDs and export the images to TIFF with the program : /NextDeveloper/Demos/PhotoAlbum.app as long as your CD-ROM hardware correctly : handles multi-session disks. I don't know whether the "Pro" format is : supported too. : Marcel : --- : Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science : Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 : MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
Message-ID: <33BCE7B2.41C6@iris.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 14:08:18 +0200 From: ldbuchho <ldbuchho@iris.rz.uni-konstanz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "Mathematica-Object" in MiscKit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: University of Constance, Germany Hi, someone told me that there is an object that allows it to do mathematical calculation with Mathematica and then returns the result to the calling app. Does this object really exist. I have not found it yet. -- Lars Dierk Buchholz
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From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 18:28:36 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33bd3ebf.70771994@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com> On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:21:30 -0700, stevehix@DeleteToReplysafemail.com (Steve Hix) wrote: .. >In article <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net>, abuse@127.0.0.1 wrote: > >> >> and you know what? you can put you pants on backwards too... who invented >> >> those stupid things?!?! =) >> > >> > No actually, you can't, you'll notice it instantly. There is no such >> >thing on IDE, the connector is the same on the top and bottom so there's >> >no way to know if it's hooked up wrong. >> >> Notice that red line on the edge of the ribbon? That tells you where >> pin 1 is located. Look on the motherboard and see where it says 1 or >> has a small triangle. Match the red line with that. > >His particular cable apparently didn't have the red line. > >*Bad* design, depending on a color marker. .. This "bad" design is universal in electronics. For example, resistors and many other components are color coded. You may prefer printed values but it's not going to happen. If you're going to play with electronics, you need to learn the rules. In the case of IDE cables, the newer ones are keyed and will fit only one way. BTW, it's easy to make IDE cables that have no marker *if* you buy other than 40 conductor cable and make your own. I've never seen a commercial cable that wasn't marked although it may be a dotted stripe that's hard to see. .. ..
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 17:16:42 -0400 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0407971716420001@198.133.37.101> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com> <33bd3ebf.70771994@news.sover.net> In article <33bd3ebf.70771994@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > This "bad" design is universal in electronics. For example, resistors > and many other components are color coded. yeah, but they actually have the colours on it. > values but it's not going to happen. If you're going to play with > electronics, you need to learn the rules. In the case of IDE cables, > the newer ones are keyed and will fit only one way. The cables were keyed, the drives were not! Maury
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From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 03:30:24 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33bdbe93.103495478@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com> <33bd3ebf.70771994@news.sover.net> <maury-0407971716420001@198.133.37.101> On Fri, 04 Jul 1997 17:16:42 -0400, maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: .. <SNIP> .. > The cables were keyed, the drives were not! .. You got me there. I've never seen a non-keyed drive. Who made it? The only drive gotcha I'm aware of is a few old SCSI tape drives that have signal pin 2 located away from the power plug but even those are keyed. .. ..
From: smyth@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Smyth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware Date: 5 Jul 1997 03:52:43 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Sender: NBS Message-ID: <5pkgeb$9f8$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu> Keywords: Command key, grayscale, drivers, OPENSTEP I am a long-time user of NeXTSTEP on black hardware and am looking to build an "OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware" system. I don't visit comp.sys.next.misc on a regular basis, so please be patient if the following questions are well known to the group. 1) On black hardware, my left pinky is glued to the "Command" key (Command Cut, Command Copy, Command Paste, etc.) What does one do for a Command key on PC keyboards? I assume there must be some sort of keyboard re-mapping feature, which would, say, re-map the "Windows 95" key to function as a Command key. I would like to find a keyboard with such an extra key immediately beneath the "Z" key, so that the left pinky need move only up and down when it travels from Z to Command and back. Owing to carpal tunnel syndrome, or repetitive motion disorder, or whatever you want to call it, I find that the slightest left-right motion of the pinky becomes excruciatingly painful over time; for this reason, I find the "Ctrl" key on most PC keyboards to be unusable. If you know of a keyboard that solves the problem of the Command key, please post the manufacturer name, the model number, and a distribution source. 2) I much prefer grayscale monitors to color monitors, and I found the old 4-bit PostScript grayscale particularly charming. I know of four name-brand grayscale monitors: A) the Cornerstone DualPage 20-92 and 21-92 16-bit grayscale monitors, powered by the Cornerstone ImageAccel 2040/76 grayscale video card (www.corimage.com) B) the Artist Graphics NetVision 2016GS 16-bit grayscale monitor, powered by the Artist Graphics NetVision 2000i or 2500i video cards (www.artgraphics.com) C) the Eizo-Nanao FlexScan 6600 20-bit grayscale monitor (www.eizo.com) The Cornerstone and Artist Graphics cards come with drivers for 3.1/95/NT and OS/2, but no other operating systems. I am told that the Cornerstone monitors use a proprietary cable and that they must be driven by the Cornerstone card. The Artist Graphics monitor has a standard VGA cable and might be able to be driven by a standard VGA card, while the Eizo-Nanao monitor was designed to be driven by any VGA card running any driver. Unfortunately, the Eizo-Nanao monitor I saw did not produce what I would call a grayscale image; it was more of a creamy brown, although it was being powered by a color driver at the time, which might have made a difference. Does anyone have experience with grayscale monitors and "OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware"? Does NeXT provide some sort of universal 16-bit grayscale driver that will power all cards? Are there other grayscale monitors that I should consider? Any advice would be most appreciated. 3) The drivers problem, continued: The drivers on the NeXT hardware compatibility list seem to apply to devices that are about 12 to 18 months out of date. Among SCSI controllers, Net Express (www.tdl.com/~netex) recommends the BusLogic 958-C, about which the NeXT hardware compatibility list says "BusLogic 958 PCI Wide SCSI Host Adapter (not tested, reported to work)." Does this mean that BusLogic wrote a driver for this card but that NeXT hasn't tested the driver, or does it mean that a NeXT driver for some older BusLogic product ought to power this more recent BusLogic product? If the latter, how often does this principle apply? For instance: A) Will the NeXT drivers for the Adaptec 2940UW power the Adaptec 3940UW? B) Will the NeXT drivers for the Matrox Millenium power the Matrox Millenium II? C) Will the NeXT drivers for the Sound Blaster 32-bit series power the Sound Blaster 64-bit series? As for communications, what does one do for voice/fax modem cards and their drivers? How does one set up an answering machine/fax modem combination? Is this supported out of the box, or am I expected to write the code? How does "OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware" behave with the US Robotics x2 56kbps products? Finally, the hardware compatibility list doesn't seem to have a driver for NE2000-compatible ethernet cards. What gives? 4) After one has spent a little time confronting the drivers problem, an inescapable conclusion is reached: Within a few years, there will be only one operating system. The Wall Street Journal had an article the other day (WSJ, 7-1-97, p. B6) which indicated that Apple's worldwide market share fell to 3% in the first quarter. Frankly, I am afraid that we are witnessing the end of the whole NeXT experiment, but maybe there is some hope to be offered by OPENSTEP. I have never seen this product, so perhaps the group could answer a few questions. Does OPENSTEP for NT take control from the Win95/Explorer interface so as to give the look and feel of NeXTSTEP? The parts of NeXTSTEP I use the most are Edit, WriteNow, Digital Librarian, Digital Webster, the Workspace File Viewer, the TeX support, the Stuart shell, and of course the development tools. I guess the Stuart shell is probably a little too dependent on the operating system to make sense in other environments, although it would be appreciated. How much of the other stuff persists? Does OPENSTEP provide a Window Server? Do NT OPENSTEP objects (windows, buttons, scroll bars, icons, etc.) look like Microsoft objects, or do they look like NeXT objects? I have heard that OPENSTEP for Solaris is pretty nice. Again: Does it take control of the user interface? If so, is there an OPENSTEP for Solaris on Intel Hardware? How about support for the new Solaris, version 2.6? (Of course, OPENSTEP for Solaris will not be much of an alternative if the future offers only the one operating system...) Thank you all for any advice or suggestions you can offer.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware Date: 5 Jul 1997 07:47:18 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5pku66$m6a$3@news2.digex.net> References: <5pkgeb$9f8$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu> smyth@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Smyth) wrote: > 1) On black hardware, my left pinky is glued to the "Command" > key (Command Cut, Command Copy, Command Paste, etc.) What > does one do for a Command key on PC keyboards? I assume > there must be some sort of keyboard re-mapping feature, > which would, say, re-map the "Windows 95" key to function > as a Command key. I would like to find a keyboard with such > an extra key immediately beneath the "Z" key, so that the > left pinky need move only up and down when it travels from > Z to Command and back. Owing to carpal tunnel syndrome, or > repetitive motion disorder, or whatever you want to call > it, I find that the slightest left-right motion of the pinky > becomes excruciatingly painful over time; for this reason, > I find the "Ctrl" key on most PC keyboards to be unusable. > If you know of a keyboard that solves the problem of the > Command key, please post the manufacturer name, the model > number, and a distribution source. You can remap. The Keyboard.app let's you do this...and I've used ms keyboards and made the ms keys cmnd, the menu key help, etc... As for Ctrl...I make the key kaps that key...YMMV. > 2) I much prefer grayscale monitors to color monitors, and > I found the old 4-bit PostScript grayscale particularly > charming. I know of four name-brand grayscale monitors: As far as I can guess, your best bet is to get say a 2meg video card supported by nextstep that can drive a monochrome monitor. NeXT only supports 8bit greyscale (but it really looks great). So you'll just end up using a color video card (in monochrome mode) to drive a monochrome monitor...It should work, though I personally haven't tried it. > 3) The drivers problem, continued: The drivers on the NeXT > hardware compatibility list seem to apply to devices that > are about > A) Will the NeXT drivers for the Adaptec 2940UW power > the Adaptec 3940UW? B) Will the NeXT drivers for the > Matrox Millenium power the Matrox Millenium II? C) Will > the NeXT drivers for the Sound Blaster 32-bit series > power the Sound Blaster 64-bit series? I highly recommend going with a DPT 2024UW. It's much better than the others you list and goes for about the same as the Adaptec 2940UW. They have higher performance cards too...but the 2024 is more than fine for most needs and is upgradable too. The nice thing about the DPT card and next drivers...one driver powers their entire family of cards... I don't know the answers to B&C above.. > As for communications, what does one do for voice/fax modem cards > and their drivers? How does one set up an answering machine/fax Same as on black hardware, get NXFax. > modem combination? Is this supported out of the box, or am I > expected to write the code? How does "OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel > hardware" behave with the US Robotics x2 56kbps products? Finally, > the hardware compatibility list doesn't seem to have a driver > for NE2000-compatible ethernet cards. What gives? I personally recommend getting an external modem with upgradable bios. The SupraFax is supported well (i.e. works with NXFax), is upgradable, and cheap... > 4) After one has spent a little time confronting the drivers > problem, an inescapable conclusion is reached: Within a > few years, there will be only one operating system. The > Wall Street Journal had an article the other day (WSJ, > 7-1-97, p. B6) which indicated that Apple's worldwide market > share fell to 3% in the first quarter. Frankly, I am afraid > that we are witnessing the end of the whole NeXT experiment, > but maybe there is some hope to be offered by OPENSTEP. I > have never seen this product, so perhaps the group could > answer a few questions. Does OPENSTEP for NT take control > from the Win95/Explorer interface so as to give the look > and feel of NeXTSTEP? The parts of NeXTSTEP I use the most Nope, the NT version looks and acts just like NT. The NT interface is used throughout. However, the very same apps run under the MACH operating system look like traditional NeXT apps. > Thank you all for any advice or suggestions you can offer. Good luck :) BTW, this thread should be moved to comp.sys.next.hardware... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 10:39:03 -0400 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-0507971039040001@198.133.37.103> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <maury-2506972037000001@199.166.204.230> <33b2267e.22927874@news.bway.net> <stevehix-2606972221310001@ip34.safemail.com> <33bd3ebf.70771994@news.sover.net> <maury-0407971716420001@198.133.37.101> <33bdbe93.103495478@news.sover.net> In article <33bdbe93.103495478@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > You got me there. I've never seen a non-keyed drive. Who made it? One is from Western Digital, the other NEC. Maury
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTanswers locally Date: 5 Jul 1997 18:37:46 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net> Is there a way to DL the complete NeXTanswers in one fell swoop? I remember they used to update it from time to time into a .tar file...though I can't seem to find such a thing now. I'm trying to DL their HTMLD files now...but the problem with them is when you double click them open, all the references are absolute to www.next.com instead of being relative and to my local hard drive... I'd love to have a local version of the html files, but will be just as happ with an upto date rtf version that I can shanghi with one dragNdrop from Netsurfer's ftp panel... Anyone know if such a thing still exists...and if not, why not? -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
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From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTanswers locally Date: 5 Jul 1997 21:41:10 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5pmf1m$8a1$1@news2.digex.net> References: <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: > Is there a way to DL the complete NeXTanswers in one fell swoop? > I remember they used to update it from time to time into a .tar > file...though I can't seem to find such a thing now. I'm trying > to DL their HTMLD files now...but the problem with them is when > you double click them open, all the references are absolute to > www.next.com instead of being relative and to my local hard > drive... I'd love to have a local version of the html files, but > will be just as happ with an upto date rtf version that I can > shanghi with one dragNdrop from Netsurfer's ftp panel... > Anyone know if such a thing still exists...and if not, why not? What els is interesting is...that DigitalLibrarian doesn't seem to want to index the HTML(D) files!?! That stinks...DL usually indexes anything...or so it seemed... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
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From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTanswers locally Date: 6 Jul 1997 02:48:15 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5pn11f$pk220@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net> In article <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >Is there a way to DL the complete NeXTanswers in one fell swoop? ftp ftp.next.com bin cd pub/NeXTanswers get Files.tar.Z Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Enterprise Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
From: wanna@seethefight.com Subject: YOU ASKED FOR THIS! Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Headlines About Spam War! Message-ID: <33bf0e1f.0@news1.ibm.net> Date: 6 Jul 97 03:16:47 GMT Pissed of Private Investigator, tells "the rest of the story." What Mark Fraunfelder with Wired forgot to tell... http:/michaelenlow.by.net/spamwar.htm
From: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTanswers locally Date: 6 Jul 1997 02:38:13 GMT Organization: The PEAK FTP Archive for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Message-ID: <5pn0el$pst$1@bashir.peak.org> References: <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > Is there a way to DL the complete NeXTanswers in one fell swoop? > I remember they used to update it from time to time into a .tar > file...though I can't seem to find such a thing now. It used to be ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/Files/NA.compressed but it doesn't exist ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/README says: NB: 95-11-10 NA.compressed removed; there's a problem with the system that builds it. For now, do: ftp ftp.next.com bin cd pub/NeXTanswers get Files.tar.Z I'm downloading it to PEAK right now. Oops, actually, it's done: Files.tar.gz: Files.tar.gz: 42080673 bytes received in 881.21 seconds, 46.63 kB/s. that's 40 megs for those of you who are not so good at undelimited numbers (like me :-) Also you can get them from the Peanuts, Nebula, and Big Green CD-ROM collections. You can get it from PEAK at ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/documents/next/NeXTanswers.tar.gz but I wouldn't try it over a 14.4 modem :-) TjL ps -- Hebrew started as of 2 July, and ends on 22 August, so please understand if responses are slow. I am taking a 2 semester class in 8 weeks for 6 credits -- TjL <luomat@peak.org>
From: dre32d@msn.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: sell/your/photos$$$$$ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:16:34 Organization: Miracle Net Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <5pod4c$47k$826@roadrunner.miracle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are a New York based international photo agency representing professional and amateur photographers in search of having their work promoted in order to conduct their profession or hobby minus the time consuming inconvenience of presenting and selling their own work. You do not have to be a professional photographer to sell your photographic work successfully, and as any pro will tell you, quite often throughout history an amateur stumbles on a scene that he or she photographs and ends up with a photo that becomes a classic. Those who publish magazines, books, newspapers, greeting cards, record albums, or just about anyone who works with images in their profession, are in desperate need of fresh material, and are more than willing to review photos submitted by professional photo representatives. Sometimes the photos of amateurs are sought after more so than professionals because of accidental originality and innovative themes. At Photo Phoenix International, we delight in and value the work of people who view photography as a fine art and understand a photo representative's significance in terms of a photographer's career, reputation, and monetary gain. The photos we are seeking are some of the following: ANIMALS, ARCHITECTURE, ART, AUTOMOBILES, BUSINESS, CELEBRITIES, DOCUMENTARY, ENTERTAINMENT, EROTICA/NUDITY, FASHION, FOOD, HEALTH, HISTORY, HOBBIES, OUTDOORS, PEOPLE, POLITICAL, PORTRAITS, STILL LIFES, RELIGIOUS, SCIENCE, SPORTS, TRAVEL . . . Whether your work portrays conservative, experimental, stylish, or innovative themes, your project proposal should be well thought out before submitting to us. For first contact, submit a query letter and "SAMPLES ONLY" of your photos. You must include "2" self addressed, stamped envelopes--one for correspondence, the other for the return of your material should we not be interested. If we think your work is sellable, we will respond as soon as possible. Do not send entire portfolio unless we ask for it. SEND TO: Photo Phoenix International <33-29 58 Street> <Woodside, New York> <11377> <~Phone: 718-651-8145>
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From: ftr45r@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: writers=seeking=publication Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:36:39 Organization: Miracle Net Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <5posc3$67e$5666@roadrunner.miracle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are a New York based international literary agency with two branch offices, one of which is in* Florida. We are seeking new and> previously published authors, so please adhere to the >following-- guidelines.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All fiction: send brief <synopsis, first chapter, and include a self addressed, stamped envelope (SASE). All nonfiction: brief synopsis, first chapter, SASE.>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short-Stories: brief synopsis, 3 pages, SASE.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry: send 3 poems, SASE.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do not send complete manuscript unless we ask for it. <<Send to: Woodside International Literary Agency>> =33-29 58 Street>>>>>>>>// =Woodside, New York>>>>>>>>// =11377>>>>>>> =Phone (main office): =718--651-8145>>>>>>>//
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ergo@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de (Olaf Foellinger) Subject: Re: Modem and Printer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <ECx9z0.JIy@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de> Sender: news@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de Cc: wtg@uwyo.edu Organization: none References: <33AECA4C.A2D6CC0F@uwyo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:13:47 GMT In <33AECA4C.A2D6CC0F@uwyo.edu> "W.T. Grandy, Jr." wrote: > Two problems I can't seem to solve for my OpenStep 4.1 platform. > I'm running Intel, Pentium Pro 200, 64 MB, and 4.3 GB hard drive > partitioned for Win95 and OpenStep. > > 1. The less serious of the two is that OS doesn't seem to register the > printer and allow its use if it's turned on after booting. If turned on > > before boot, no problem, Is this the normal behavior? It wasn't > so in NS 3.2. As a workaround for this problem a possibility to add the printer when the system is running: As root type '/usr/etc/driverLoader i d=ParallelPort' and answer all questions with yes. Hope this helps Olaf -- Olaf Foellinger homepage: http://www1.stuttgart.netsurf.de/~ergo/ NeXTMail & MIME welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ergo@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de (Olaf Foellinger) Subject: Re: Booting NeXTSTEP v3.3 (Intel) with OS/2's Bootmanager? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <ECx9Go.JHL@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de> Sender: news@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de Cc: joacim@mbox301.swipnet.se Organization: none References: <01b991e6$d6613640$13b8f482@nostromo.melin.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:02:48 GMT In <01b991e6$d6613640$13b8f482@nostromo.melin.se> "Joacim Melin" wrote: > Hi all . > > I'm trying to install NeXTstep v3.3 on an Pentium 133Mhz. I can't install > it on the first harddrive so I got me a second SCSI hdd and want to install > it there. NeXTstep doesn't seem to have the ability to boot from a second > harddrive, so I thought I could use OS/2's bootmanager, but that didn't > work either. > > Any hints on this issue ? Please reply via email. > > Thanks, > > Joacim Melin, Stockholm Sweden. I do have the same configuration. You do need a small primary partiton (~7 MB) on the first disk to boot from. The details can be found in NA 1487. Hope this helps Olaf -- Olaf Foellinger homepage: http://www1.stuttgart.netsurf.de/~ergo/ NeXTMail & MIME welcome!
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From: webmaster@jpl.nasa.gov Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: !Most Recent Mars Photos&Info! Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 01:45:28 -1200 Organization: NASA - JPL Message-ID: <33C0F2F8.5C97@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to the intense pressure on our servers, we have configured our software for this site; http://38.217.84.11/~nasa2/marspath.html to transfer traffic to the least busy sight available. Hopefully this will speed up access times. Remember, the pictures at these sites are updated in real-time. As soon as we get them, you get them. Once again; http://38.217.84.11/~nasa2/marspath.html Thanks for your patience, and thank you to the 100 Million visitors we've had already.
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From: cdr43a@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: *writers/seeking/publication Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 04:10:27 Organization: Miracle Net Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <5pq8hi$o9u$6270@roadrunner.miracle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are a New York based international literary agency with two branch offices, one of which is in Florida. We are seeking new and previously published authors, so please adhere to the following guidelines. All fiction: send brief synopsis, first chapter, and include a self addressed, stamped envelope (SASE). All nonfiction: brief synopsis, first chapter, SASE. Short Stories: brief synopsis, 3 pages, SASE. Poetry: send 3 poems, SASE. Please do not send complete manuscript unless we ask for it. Send to: Woodside International Literary Agency 33-29 58 Street>>>>>>>> Woodside, New York>>>>>>>> 11377>>>>>>> Phone (main office): 718-651-8145>>>>>>>
From: hugo burm <hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Prelude and EOF Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:19:43 +0200 Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Message-ID: <33C0A69F.2A9D@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have installed my Prelude to Rhapsody (Intel/Mach) and WebObjects. The WebObjects package needs EOF. I cannot find EOF on the CD ROM's. Where can I find it? Or does the WebObjects package works on Intel/NT only? hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bofh@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Sender: cdr43a@aol.com Message-ID: <cancel.5pq8hi$o9u$6270@roadrunner.miracle.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <5pq8hi$o9u$6270@roadrunner.miracle.net> Control: cancel <5pq8hi$o9u$6270@roadrunner.miracle.net> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 04:10:27 ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr. It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Mon Jul 7 11:40:09 1997 Original subject was: *writers/seeking/publication
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 20:31:28 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0507972031280001@news.dol.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:46:07 -0400, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) > wrote: > > >In article <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: > > > >> Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The > >> 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. > >> The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case > >> so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. > > > >Hmmm. Plugging in a cable caused the button to be continually pressed? > .. > >Troll. > .. > Note, Joe doesn't understand what the guy said *and* (probably the > ultimate sin) the guy isn't of the "party" line. So he's called a > troll. Nice going Joe. Nice try Lance. But the entire post is above. The guy says "so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed". I didn't misquote him in any way. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta joe.ragosta@dol.net Visit the Complete Macintosh Web Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: 1kyriaki@swt16.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Valentino Kyriakides) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Which Faxmodems work together with NXFax? Date: 7 Jul 1997 13:23:26 GMT Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Message-ID: <5pqqke$3te$2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Since I'am searching a good well behaving faxmodem for my slab, I'am interrested to hear from the NeXT community which Faxmodems work without problems together with NXFax under NS 3.3. Tell me your experiences and will try to build a summary! -- Valentino Kyriakides Email: 1kyriaki@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
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From: kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two problems with (black) monitor Date: 07 Jul 1997 14:25:37 GMT Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Distribution: world Message-ID: <KOCHHAR.97Jul7102537@endor.harvard.edu> hi! I have a black NeXtStation... I'm running into a couple of problems with the monitor: - The monitor screen area seems to have shrunk over time (i.e., same pixel resolution, but the actual dimensions in inches seems to have shrunk over time)... - A few times (e.g., 1/10) after power-on, the monitor won't come up (i.e., nothing shows on the monitor, not even the "Testing..." screen) at all.. If I wait a while and try power-cycling again a few times, it finally works... Any idea what might be going on in either of the two problems above? Is the monitor or the computer on its way to dying? Thanks for any help. Please reply to kochhar@avcinc.com, if possible. -- ---------------------------- Sandeep Kochhar Tel: 617-876-2052, Fax: 617-238-0763 15-17 Lee St. #T2 Email: kochhar@das.harvard.edu Cambridge, MA 02139 http://www.avcinc.com/people/kochhar/
From: jon@cs.wits.ac.za (John Ostrowick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 17:58:15 +0200 Organization: WITS U CS Dept Message-ID: <jon-0707971758150001@macenroe.cs.wits.ac.za> References: <5pkgeb$9f8$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu> In article <5pkgeb$9f8$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu>, smyth@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Smyth) wrote: > I am a long-time user of NeXTSTEP on black hardware and am > looking to build an "OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware" system. > I don't visit comp.sys.next.misc on a regular basis, so please > be patient if the following questions are well known to the group. > > > 1) On black hardware, my left pinky is glued to the "Command" > key (Command Cut, Command Copy, Command Paste, etc.) What does one > do for a Command key on PC keyboards? the alt key
From: TECS@SOFTWARE.NET Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SEEKING SOFTWARE DESIGNERS Date: 7 Jul 1997 07:41:22 GMT Organization: SPUTUM.ORGANIZATION Message-ID: <5pq6j2$d962304@odin.telapex.com> Angered Spy/Research Expert and now, Leading Business Consultant, tells "the rest of the story." What the news & Wired forgot to tell... Just search the Web - we're now the largest chain of WEB SITES on the net for supporting entrepreneurs and businesses wishing to grow using his techniques. He gave them fair warning... But they didn't listen... CH http://michaelenlow.by.net/spamwar.html
From: jon@haveman.org (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware Date: 7 Jul 1997 16:35:29 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5pr5sh$3vk@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <jon-0707971758150001@macenroe.cs.wits.ac.za> John Ostrowick writes > In article <5pkgeb$9f8$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu>, smyth@gibbs.oit.unc.edu > (Richard Smyth) wrote: > > > I am a long-time user of NeXTSTEP on black hardware and am > > looking to build an "OPENSTEP for Mach on Intel hardware" system. > > I don't visit comp.sys.next.misc on a regular basis, so please > > be patient if the following questions are well known to the group. > > > > > > 1) On black hardware, my left pinky is glued to the "Command" > > key (Command Cut, Command Copy, Command Paste, etc.) What does one > > do for a Command key on PC keyboards? > > the alt key Related to this, I've found that changing the keyboard to NextUSA from just USA in the preferences panel (under the flags) makes the keyboard much like a black one. The "caps lock" key is changed to control and "alt-shift" operates the caps lock deal. There are other differences, but I can't remember them. On the whole, the switch was wonderful. :) -- Jon Haveman http://www.haveman.org/ Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@haveman.org Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (765) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (765) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (765) 742-7961 (Home)
From: jon@cs.wits.ac.za (John Ostrowick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: two big problems Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:22:03 +0200 Organization: WITS U CS Dept Message-ID: <jon-0707971822030001@macenroe.cs.wits.ac.za> hi everyone i know unix fairly well but i'm forced to admit that i'm stuck on a few things with "prelude to rhapsody" (of course, the cd from apple) big problem number 1. having tried to set up ip addresses etc, i can now no longer log in. I didn't set up any NFS stuff, so it is still authenticating locally. All i set was the ip address, netmask, router. It seems to me as if there's no way to set the DNS name - am i right? I mean from the GUI. I've been using the gui because i think it ought to work 100% and i should, in theory, never have to hit the CLI. it seems to have set things up correctly inside /etc/hostconfig - but nonetheless a. I cannot login (or rather, i do, but it gets no further than dismissing the login window; i am forced to do a hard reboot), wait for fsck, wait for the second reboot (very irritating) b. i still cannot see the network when i reboot using config=Default (thank god for that!!) this is what it says if i boot in verbose mode or cat /usr/adm/messages: Jul 7 17:01:35 nextstep loginwindow[191]: bootstrap_register failed - -102 Jul 7 17:01:45 nextstep loginwindow[191]: Checking for DOS partitioned disk Jul 7 17:01:51 nextstep loginwindow[191]: bootstrap_register failed - -102 Jul 7 17:01:51 nextstep loginwindow[191]: bootstrap_register failed - -102 also: localhost loginwindow[174]: failed to login to account: root So i guess what i'm asking, is a. why does the networking still not work, despite it being happy with the ether card driver? b. why can i now only boot into the workspace manager thing using config=Default? if i boot with no options or -v, it gets no further than dismissing the login screen; the hard disk light turns off and indicates that there is no further disk activity. big problem number 2. despite the pc being happy that it is using a tseng labs 4000 graphics card /driver - it gets stuck in a loop in the boot sequence, fussing over and over again about the fact that the driver chosen is missing something. It looks like the driver is corrupt (i mean, why else should it only do 1024x768 in 2 colour mode? and get stuck when i try use that driver?). The only way out of this loop is also a hard reboot. and of course, the only way i can get past this now is to use the default driver. i could solve this (and have, on another box i tested this on) by changing graphics card, but i want to know why it is doing this, because a. most of our linux pc's have this card and are happy with it b. it's not that easy to get another card without buying it. c. i have to use the pc i've got. i tried looking for a driver on nextanswers but it seems to be the same version, so i presume it will have the same bug. I've seen it running colour and it's very very nice. I'm not going to be able to live with this b/w mode when i know how nice the colour mode is :-) when i click on the settings button in the config.app thing, to choose the colour depth and resolution, for the tseng labs driver, it shows nothing (same result under the default vga driver). Other drivers show nice lists of resolutions and colours; not so the tseng labs driver. :-( BTW - howcome NeXT has to reboot to change monitor settings? *Be* doesn't ;-) is this cos of the crummy pc hardware? I really need help here. Any nextperts around? TIA! :-)
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 17:07:49 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33c12174.325416343@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <33b84c54.67892734@news.sover.net> <?digman?-0107970759230001@digital-02-144.hou.neoworld.net> <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0207970846070001@news.dol.net> <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R0507972031280001@news.dol.net> On Sat, 05 Jul 1997 20:31:28 -0400, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: .. >In article <33baeb28.239624201@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance >Togar) wrote: .. >> On Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:46:07 -0400, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) >> wrote: .. >> >In article <33BA1242.7D5E@bit.csc.lsu.edu>, zachary@premier.net wrote: >> > >> >> Oh, please. Apple has made some good stuff and alot of crap. The >> >> 7300/132 we have is the worst design and assembly of a computer case. >> >> The power button didn't line up to the hole in the front of the case >> >> so when you plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed. .. >> >Hmmm. Plugging in a cable caused the button to be continually pressed? .. >> >Troll. .. >> Note, Joe doesn't understand what the guy said *and* (probably the >> ultimate sin) the guy isn't of the "party" line. So he's called a >> troll. Nice going Joe. > >Nice try Lance. But the entire post is above. The guy says "so when you >plugged a cable in the button was continually pressed". I didn't misquote >him in any way. .. Since the entire post is here, you'll notice that I didn't write anything about you misquoting anyone. Point? .. ..
From: kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Backup recommendations (NS3.3 and Win95 on Intel) Date: 07 Jul 1997 17:16:44 GMT Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Distribution: world Message-ID: <KOCHHAR.97Jul7131644@endor.harvard.edu> hi! Anyone have any backup recommendations (e.g., what works, speed comparisons, etc.) for a backup solution for an Intel running both NeXtStep 3.3 and Windows 95 (I'd like to be able to use the same backup drive for backups from NS3.3 and from Win95, although the media (tapes/disks) etc. would be different...) Thanks. -- ---------------------------- Sandeep Kochhar Tel: 617-876-2052, Fax: 617-238-0763 15-17 Lee St. #T2 Email: kochhar@das.harvard.edu Cambridge, MA 02139 http://www.avcinc.com/people/kochhar/
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Which Faxmodems work together with NXFax? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:52:12 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970707145138.5011B-100000@peace> References: <5pqqke$3te$2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Valentino Kyriakides <1kyriaki@swt16.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <5pqqke$3te$2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> As far as I know, just the SupraFaxModems and ZyXel modems. I used a SupraFaxModem with much success. TjL ps -- Hebrew started as of 2 July, and ends on 22 August, so please understand if responses are slow. I am taking a 2 semester class in 8 weeks for 6 credits -- TjL <luomat@peak.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Applet Runtime Error Message-ID: <33C15632.5242DA43@uwyo.edu> From: "W.T. Grandy, Jr." <wtg@uwyo.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 14:48:50 -0600 Distribution: world Organization: University of Wyoming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted this problem a week or so ago, but got no useful response. Thought I'd try again, since the problem remains. I have completed a web page with a newly written applet, all of which runs fine in the appletviewer and 3 different browsers on my machine. I've now uploaded to 2 different remote servers, and when accessed from my machine via modem everything still works fine. But, when the page is accessed by colleagues from three other machines elsewhere via either server, two running Netscape 4.01 and I.E. 3.0 on Win95, the other Netscape 4.0.1 on Linux, the applet fails to run. (All browsers are definitely Java enabled.) The message is that the class for the applet has caused a security violation with a "method verification error." The page was composed on Communicator 4.0. It seems remarkable that downloading the applet to my machine gives no problem, but does on others. I'm totally clueless on this, and would appreciate receiving any and all insights and/or suggestions. Thanks in advance, Tom Grandy -- W.T. Grandy, Jr. Physics & Astronomy University of Wyoming http://faraday.uwyo.edu/faculty/tgrandy/index.html
Control: cancel <5pq6j2$d962304@odin.telapex.com> From: TECS@SOFTWARE.NET Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5pq6j2$d962304@odin.telapex.com> Date: 07 Jul 97 20:38:53 GMT Organization: SPUTUM.ORGANIZATION Message-ID: <cancel.5pq6j2$d962304@odin.telapex.com> Article cancelled by news@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com.
From: "Greg Shaw" <gshaw@zeta.org.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Which Faxmodems work together with NXFax? Date: 7 Jul 1997 21:48:15 GMT Organization: Decisionware Message-ID: <01bc8b1f$5ecc0fd0$190b1acb@decisionware> References: <5pqqke$3te$2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valentino Kyriakides <1kyriaki@swt16.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote in article <5pqqke$3te$2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>... > > Since I'am searching a good well behaving faxmodem for my slab, > I'am interrested to hear from the NeXT community which Faxmodems > work without problems together with NXFax under NS 3.3. > > > Tell me your experiences and will try to build a summary! > I use an Australian brand modem - Netcom M34F. In my discussions with Black and White software (makers of NXFax) the essential element for operation with NXFax is using the Rockwell chipset in the modem. As far as support of the Class 2 fax standard is concerned I have found that some modems (one of my earlier ones for instance) do not fully support the standard. NXFax is VERY reliant on a full implementation of the standard. So a manufacturer may state Class 2 support but until you check it with NXFax you will not know how welll they do it. Hope this helps, Greg Shaw.
From: sunhan@rome.uwindsor.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT help Date: 8 Jul 1997 00:15:35 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5ps0r7$kat$1@news.istar.ca> Hi there, I just recently bought a NeXT computer to help me learn UNIX and I'm having loads of trouble already. Firstly I have the computer installed with only part of the System 3.0 and I'm missing huge chunks of it. I need PPP, FTP and Uncompressing program. Anyone in Ontario or out there in the internet who can send me a disk with these programs on it? I will greatly appricate it and will re-emburse you for your trouble. Thanks for anyhelp you can give me Sunny
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTanswers locally Date: 7 Jul 1997 13:48:39 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5pqs3n$s2s@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <5pm49q$clm$1@news2.digex.net> <5pn0el$pst$1@bashir.peak.org> luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: > ps -- Hebrew started as of 2 July, and ends on 22 August, so > please understand if responses are slow. I am taking a 2 > semester class in 8 weeks for 6 credits B'hatzlakha! If you can get any Hebrew fonts besides Shalom and Hehen working on your NeXT (or even Hehen working properly), or if you figure out how to enter Hebrew intelligently (right to left) in Edit or any NeXTstep app, or especially if you get Hebrew web pages working under OmniWeb, please let me know! _._ _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _._ ___ _ Joshua W Burton | |( ' ) |.| . | ( ' ) | | | | | | \ )( ( ) | | | (847)677-3902 | | )_/ | |___|_ )_/ /|_| | | __)/ \_)/ || | jburton@nwu.edu | .. . - `. : use a ZyXEL O288S, and am completely satisfied with it. Hope this info helps. --Chris -- ******************************** Chris Jensen cejensen@bitstream.net MIME, NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Kodak Photo-CD on black NeXTSTEP 3.3? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <ECx71M.Iq9@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:10:34 GMT References: <5pdv6m$ivp$1@linda.teleport.com> <ECqotp.IHx@nidat.sub.org> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <ECqotp.IHx@nidat.sub.org>, Peter Nitezki <Peter.Nitezki@bku.db.de> wrote: > >I once saw PhotoAlbum at work with the Kodak demo CD on a ND Cube. >Besides from taking some time to load, even the highest resolution >pictures went just fine. Yep--I played with this too, on an ND cube. The images looked wonderful (well, as good as they could be given the photographer ;-)). -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: penrose@w09.sfc.keio.ac.jp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSThread severely degrades event queue access Date: 08 Jul 1997 11:32:11 +0900 Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Fujisawa Japan Message-ID: <wzk9j2e0k4.fsf@w09.sfc.keio.ac.jp> Howdy Folks: I am developing an application, under Openstep 4.1 for intel, which is multithreaded. In my application, I have a single solitary method that is run in a seperate thread. It is spawned with: [NSThread detachNewThreadSelector:@selector(mySelector:) toTarget:self withObject:sender]; In this method (as referenced by mySelector) there are no AppKit objects manipulated, nor are any messages passed to any AppKit objects. Elsewhere in the application, in a custom view, mouseDown: is overridden to implement the dragging of another view. When this view is dragged on the screen before the application becomes mult-threaded (while [NSThread isMultiThreaded] returns NO) the dragging is smooth and continuous. If I execute mySelector: in the same thread as the application, the dragging performance is also smooth. However, as soon as the application becomes multithreaded, e.g. [NSThread isMultiThreaded] returns YES), the dragging behavior degrades drastically: the view stutters when dragged. A huge (sometimes as humungous as 500ms) latency is introduced. This latency remains in the application ever after, even though the detached thread has exitted. Why is this happening? Are there any ways to alleviate this unacceptable latency? I am tempted to use cthread_fork() to see if I can fool the AppKit into better performance, but I'd prefer this application to be Openstep compliant. Thanks for any help! Christopher Penrose penrose@sfc.keio.ac.jp penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu
From: pok@prometheus.digital-rain.com (pok) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep 4.2 for Mach Experience Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:37:15 GMT Organization: Client of Internet Portal Services Message-ID: <5pt1od$2hb@thoth.portal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Keyword: OpenStep, Intel, Asus, K6 Last week I ordered OpenStep 4.2 for Mach (Intel) Academic Bundle, which includes OpenStep developer. It arrived three days ago. Documentation was extraordinarily sparse, NeXTAnswers was almost useless, most information is outdated in some way or another. For a company which has focused so much of its attention on the web, the NeXT home page has surprisingly inadequate content. Let's put it this way, Linux has far more useful, relevant, friendly information than OpenStep/NeXTStep. And if that's true, that's a real disappointment that Tevanian and company are put to shame by a group of volunteers. Hopefully the Apple acquisition has really given these NeXT engineers some new life. Nevertheless, installation, compared to other non-mainstream Operating Systems was fairly painless. I remember making Linux go the first time, and it's considerably easier than that. And OS/2 2.x and Warp weren't without their problems. The soundcard worked right off the hop and most devices were detected immediately. It's by no means a consumer level operating system. This much seems clear -- in my mind, it's really like an easier to use, more elegant Unix. Updating to BSD 4.4, improved consumer level tools like automatic PPP support and improved device driver support are future musthaves. Of course, the nice, crisp display postscript is a joy to use. My system: AMD K6-166MMX CPU 64MB 10ns SDRAM ASUS TX97-E Motherboard Matrox Millenium 4MB Acer 685 8x CD-ROM (ATAPI) 3G and 1.2G EIDE drives Optiquest 775 17" Monitor I've had no problems with the AMD K6 CPU. It works and works solidly. Fast fast fast. Similarly, the new Intel TX chipset functions flawlessly. By the way, does anyone know of a good communications program for calling BBS's? Kermit is absolutely intolerable. -Wilson
From: "H. Blakely Williford" <blakew@fuller.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Moveing lotus improv files from black h/w to lotus wk# format. Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:42:14 -0500 Organization: The Fuller Brush Company Message-ID: <33C243B6.230362C6@fuller.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello World! We have several NeXT machines with the black hardware. The users love these machines; the problem is these machines are wareing out. We have lots of lotus improv spread sheets on these NeXT machines. Is there a untility out there that will take these .imp files and convert them to the now common lotus .wk(1-4) format? Thank you for your time. -- H. Blakely Williford | Men never do evil so completely and Systems Administrator/Programmer | cheerfully as when they do it from The Fuller Brush Company | religious conviction. -- Pascal
From: 3gmp@qlink.queensu.ca (Glenn Parsons) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two problems with (black) monitor Date: 8 Jul 1997 19:54:53 GMT Organization: Queen's University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5pu5ud$klb@knot.queensu.ca> References: <KOCHHAR.97Jul7102537@endor.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In article <KOCHHAR.97Jul7102537@endor.harvard.edu>, kochhar@endor.harvard.edu says... > > >hi! >I have a black NeXtStation... I'm running into a couple of problems >with the monitor: > >- The monitor screen area seems to have shrunk over time (i.e., same > pixel resolution, but the actual dimensions in inches seems to have > shrunk over time)... > >- A few times (e.g., 1/10) after power-on, the monitor won't come up > (i.e., nothing shows on the monitor, not even the "Testing..." > screen) at all.. If I wait a while and try power-cycling again a few >times, it finally works... > >Any idea what might be going on in either of the two problems above? >Is the monitor or the computer on its way to dying? > >Thanks for any help. Please reply to kochhar@avcinc.com, if >possible. > > >-- >---------------------------- >Sandeep Kochhar Tel: 617-876-2052, Fax: 617-238-0763 >15-17 Lee St. #T2 Email: kochhar@das.harvard.edu >Cambridge, MA 02139 http://www.avcinc.com/people/kochhar/ > In repairing many TV's and monitors, I have found such problems frequently caused by capacitors. If it works better when it warms up, it is usually a capacitor. Here are a couple of tests to confirm: 1) On a cold start (i.e. unused for hours), with back cover removed (Careful!!! High voltage!!!), heat up components on the board and then power up. If it works right away, pinpoint your heating. Defective capacitors are usually near IC's or transistors with heatsinks. The heat tires them out. 2) After the monitor has warmed up and is operating normally, use freeze spray on suspect components. Replace all capacitors with 105° C LXF or PR-M capacitors. Good luck and be careful of the voltages in the monitor!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn Parsons BSc CISC (Computing Science) Queen's University Kingston, On. Canada 3gmp@Qlink.QueensU.ca parsonsg@declab.queensu.ca (*Note: all mail forwarded to qlink) http://qlink.queensu.ca/~3gmp "We shall not have much reason to complain of the narrowness of our minds, if we will but employ them about what may be of use to us; for of that they are very capable." John Locke, 1690. -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:57:38 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33c2d097.1851442@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <5pauro$mdb@idiom.com> On 1 Jul 1997 05:57:28 -0700, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >?digman?@neosoft.com (Larry Campbell) writes: > >> It's easy to find Intel PCs that are built better than anything Apple has >>to offer. > >You can make an Intel PC with a solid titanium case, and a >carved-moonrock faceplate, and it would still suffer from IBM's >original design fuck-ups, not to mention Intel's pathetic excuse >for a processor architecture. > >"Better Built", indeed. Indeed, there are some Intel based computers built much the way as you describe, less the moonrock faceplate. They're used in hostile enviornments where failure would be.... well, inconvenient to say the least. FYI, the Mac hardware design is much less than stellar. Simplistic & cheap to manufacture are it's high points. It would've been cloned in a day where it not for the copyrighted ROMS. You see, since Mac days began, Apple has been in the software business. Hardware was/is a once lucrative afterthought... and it shows. Should you doubt any of this, keep in mind that Apple has never manufactured *anything*. They are assemblers like Compaq, Dell, etc. .. ..
From: ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 00:32:42 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <33c2d468.2828657@news.sover.net> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5p245b$27r@winter.erols.com> <5p2u2k$pnm@idiom.com> <33b72c98.582555230@nntp.idir.net> <5p3d46$a2n@newsb.netnews.att.com> <33b5d7b5.21588883@news.sover.net> <5p5jca$mfb@idiom.com> <33b727fc.17481717@news.sover.net> <5p7rue$lff@idiom.com> On 30 Jun 1997 01:49:18 -0700, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: .. >ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: >>[munch] >>>cost-cutting decisions on future users of their half-assed knock-off >>>of an Apple II." .. >>Which is actually a half-assed knock-off of the S-100 design. Let's >>give credit where due. .. >No, the Apple II bus was an improvement over the Altair bus. (I >don't call it S-100, because I respect Ed Roberts' prerogative of >naming his own invention.) It was superior in that it can't have >address conflicts. Woz *looked* at the Altair bus, and *improved* >upon it. .. You can call it what you want. Most use the term S-100. "It was superior in that it can't have address conflicts." Really? You ought to double check this one 'cause you're wrong. The Woz saw and the Woz copied. Simple. Naturally, it wasn't an *exact* copy as the Woz's copy was for a 6502 and was designed to be inexpensive to manufacture. .. .. >He advanced the state of the art. IBM caused a regression. .. The Apple II was a step forward and the IBM PC was a step back? Pleeeze. .. .. >>It 's also not physically possible to do lots of things with the Apple >>II bus which explains why it's a half-assed knock-off. .. >I'm calling you on this one: What were you able to do with the >Altair bus that you couldn't do in the Apple II? .. The S-100 bus was buffered, supported DMA, multiple processors & memory expansion cards for starters. The Apple II wasn't in the same league but then it wasn't intended to be. .. .. >As for it being a knock-off of the Altair, I disagree. It's a bus >designed to serve as the backplane of a 6502-based machine, and it >did a fine job of that. .. It was designed to support the Apple II... very specifically. To say that it was designed to support a 6502 based machine implies that it was generic to that processor. It wasn't. Keep in mind that the Apple II booted Microsoft Basic. .. .. >[munch again] .. >>Look, I agree that the PC bus and architecture are far from perfect >>but they are workable. And with less pain than you experience. .. >I don't experience any pain from this, because I don't use the damn >things. They have been examined and found inadequate for my >purposes. .. Well, that's why there are choices. Most choose to successfully use the Intel platform for an amazing variety of purposes. .. .. >Horse-drawn carriages are workable. If you're satisfied with the >sad state of Intel hardware today, then you can save a lot of money, >by trading it off for your time. My time's worth more than that. .. Bad analogy and I didn't write that I was satisfied with the current state of Intel hardware. What I *did* write was that it was useable. You have no idea what my time's worth and I not of yours. .. .. >>We could also discuss the fact that it's obvious that analog people >>weren't involved PC design. > >Funny you should bring that up: The four machines that failed, in >my first order of five IBM PC's all had power supply problems. .. I assume you agree. .. .. >>But, hey, the world isn't perfect and that's that. > >No, the world sure isn't perfect, and that's why I choose the best >of my available alternatives. Intel boxes ain't it! .. You forgot preface this with IMHO. .. ..
From: architectura@mindspring.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: networking problems: Mac<->SGI<->NeXT 68k Date: 9 Jul 1997 02:21:35 GMT Organization: Architectura Message-ID: <architectura-0807972122250001@user-2k7i3bn.dialup.mindspring.com> We recently obtained a Color Turbo NextStation from Deepspace and hope to use it as a file and mail server and PostScript editor. I found a section (Chapter 11 of the System Administrator's Manual: Mixed Networks) in the on-line documentation (NS 3.3 was pre-installed and appears to be slightly incomplete) which explains that AppleTalk connectivity is a simple matter of activating a single check box beneath an apple icon in the preferences app. Problem #1: there is no apple icon in my preferences app. Does this mean that something was not installed, or merely that I've not set the computer up correctly? Connecting NeXT black hardware to UNIX machines should, according to the documentation, be similarly straightforward. Neither the NeXT nor the SGI will acknowledge the physical existence of a 10BaseT network connection. Problem #2: The machines are all physically connected through a DaynaStar 10BaseT hub, but the Macs are the only ones talking. I would appreciate any suggestions!
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From: "Frank Alviani" <alviani@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Support for old HP printer? Date: 8 Jul 97 22:34:05 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <AFE870E7-752E@207.220.146.84> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I have an old HP DeskWriter (Mac) that I no longer use. I have also just set up an Intel system with OpenStep 4.2 (Prelude to Rhapsody CDs), and was wondering if there was any way to use the HP with it? Thanks in advance for any assistance, Frank Alviani
From: jpolaski@NOwwa.com (Jim Polaski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I give up, Prelude is in the trash Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 00:01:27 -0600 Organization: Polaski P/D/C Message-ID: <jpolaski-ya02408000R0907970001270001@news.wwa.com> References: <maury-2506971723440001@199.166.204.230> <5os3b2$4l@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <5os5pe$fom$1@news.xmission.com> <5os9ra$ebu@winter.erols.com> <5ota5r$nqr@idiom.com> <maury-2606971524200001@199.166.204.230> <5ouhd9$pc5@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <datamagik-2606971929520001@tcnet01-43.austin.texas.net> <33b71cdd.14635064@news.sover.net> <?digman?-3006971343520001@digital-00-31.hou.neoworld.net> <5pauro$mdb@idiom.com> <33c2d097.1851442@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33c2d097.1851442@news.sover.net>, ltogar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > On 1 Jul 1997 05:57:28 -0700, jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > > >?digman?@neosoft.com (Larry Campbell) writes: > > > >> It's easy to find Intel PCs that are built better than anything Apple has > >>to offer. > > > >You can make an Intel PC with a solid titanium case, and a > >carved-moonrock faceplate, and it would still suffer from IBM's > >original design fuck-ups, not to mention Intel's pathetic excuse > >for a processor architecture. > > > >"Better Built", indeed. > > Indeed, there are some Intel based computers built much the way as you > describe, less the moonrock faceplate. They're used in hostile > enviornments where failure would be.... well, inconvenient to say the > least. FYI, the Mac hardware design is much less than stellar. > Simplistic & cheap to manufacture are it's high points. It would've > been cloned in a day where it not for the copyrighted ROMS. You see, > since Mac days began, Apple has been in the software business. > Hardware was/is a once lucrative afterthought... and it shows. Should > you doubt any of this, keep in mind that Apple has never manufactured > *anything*. They are assemblers like Compaq, Dell, etc. ===== Funny Lance, the last time I opened ALL my Macs, And I've had a Plus, SE(2), SE/30, IICx, 8100/80, 8500/150, ALL the motherboards had a "Copr Apple Computer" printed on the motherboard(s)...etc... You may want to call Apple's hardware "simplistic and cheap top manufacture", which is what *every* PC clone maker would want to have, so that's not necessarily bad. Apple has, through the years had a higher reliability that other PC's, and yes, we all know of the exceptions like the PB 5300 and 1710 monitors and the performa's...but that comes nowhere near the majority of the product line...please, do I hear the beginnings of LanceFUD starting... Regards, -- Jim Polaski-->Polaski P/D/C, 15 West Hubbard‹ 4th Floor, Chicago,IL 60610 Photography, Design, Computer Consulting(Macintosh) : E-mail: jpolaski@no.wwa.com "A measure of a man is what he will do for someone who can offer but nothing in return!" ... a traveler on the information highway, who stops often to look around.
From: cunningham@medicalrounds.com[nospam] (Ken Cunningham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Prelude and EOF Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:38:25 -0800 Organization: Ken Cunningham, MD, Inc. Message-ID: <cunningham-ya02408000R0807972238250001@news.direct.ca> References: <33C0A69F.2A9D@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33C0A69F.2A9D@tamtam.xs4all.nl>, hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl wrote: > I have installed my Prelude to Rhapsody (Intel/Mach) and WebObjects. > The WebObjects package needs EOF. I cannot find EOF on the CD ROM's. > Where can I find it? Or does the WebObjects package works on Intel/NT > only? > > hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl Apple has it on their web site for download. Don't have the exact URL for you, but go to <http://devworld.apple.com> and follow the links to Rhapsody. Ken -- remove [nospam] from email address to send me email please
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.unix.unixware,misc.security,sci.eng.safety From: jackson@usenix.org (Jackson Dodd) Subject: 7th USENIX Security Symposium - Call for Papers Message-ID: <ED275H.K9n@usenix.org> Keywords: USENIX, conference, security Organization: USENIX Association Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:00:53 GMT ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS 7th USENIX Security Symposium January 26-29, 1998 Marriott Hotel-- San Antonio, Texas Sponsored by the USENIX Association, the UNIX and Advanced Computing Systems Professional and Technical Association In cooperation with: The CERT Coordination Center. Important Dates for Refereed Papers Papers due: September 9, 1997 Author notification: October 8, 1997 Camera-ready final papers due: December 9, 1997 Registration Materials Available: End October, 1997 (Authors, see "How to Submit a Refereed Paper" below.) PROGRAM CHAIR Avi Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research PROGRAM COMMITTEE Carlisle Adams, Nortel Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems Steve Bellovin, AT&T Research Dan Boneh, Bellcore Diane Coe, Concept5 Technologies Ed Felten, Princeton University Li Gong, JavaSoft Peter Honeyman, CITI, University of Michigan Hugo Krawczyk, IBM Watson Labs Jack Lacy, AT&T Research Hilarie Orman, DARPA/ITO Mike Reiter, AT&T Research David Wagner, University of California, Berkeley READERS Katherine T. Fithen, CERT Trent Jaeger, IBM Watson Labs Invited talks coordinator: Greg Rose, Qualcomm Australia Conference home page: <http://www.usenix.org/sec/sec98.html> OVERVIEW The goal of this symposium is to bring together researchers, practitioners, system programmers, and others interested in the latest advances in security and applications of cryptography. This will be a four day symposium with two days of tutorials, followed by two days of refereed paper presentations, invited talks, works-in-progress presentations, and panel discussions. TUTORIALS Monday and Tuesday, January 26-27 Tutorials for both technical staff and managers will provide immediately useful, practical information on topics such as local and network security precautions, what cryptography can and cannot do, security mechanisms and policies, firewalls and monitoring systems. If you are interested in proposing a tutorial, contact the tutorial coordinator, Dan Klein: phone (412)421-2332 email <dvk@usenix.org>. TECHNICAL SESSIONS Wednesday and Thursday, January 28-29 In addition to the keynote presentation, the technical program includes refereed papers, invited talks, a Works-in-Progress session, and panel sessions. There will be Birds-of-a-Feather sessions the last two evenings. You are invited to make suggestions to the program committee via email to <security-pc@usenix.org>. Papers that have been formally reviewed and accepted will be presented during the symposium and published in the symposium proceedings, published by USENIX and provided free to technical session attendees. Additional copies will be available for purchase from USENIX. SYMPOSIUM TOPICS Refereed paper submissions are being solicited in areas including but not limited to: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of malicious code * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks/machines * Computer misuse and anomaly detection * Copyright protection (technical solutions) * Cryptographic & other security tools * File and file system security * Network security * New firewall technologies * Security in heterogeneous environments * Security incident investigation and response * Security of Mobile Code * User/system authentication * World Wide Web security Note that this symposium is not about new codes, ciphers, nor cryptanalysis for its own sake. Papers must represent novel scientific contributions in computer security with direct relevance to the engineering of secure systems for the commercial sector. HOW TO SUBMIT A REFEREED PAPER (Please read carefully.) The guidelines for submission are a bit different from previous years. Authors must submit a mature paper in postscript format. Any incomplete sections (there shouldn't be many) should be outlined in enough detail to make it clear that they could be finished easily. Full papers are encouraged, and should be about 8 to 15 typeset pages. Submissions must be received by September 9, 1997. Along with your paper, please submit a separate email message containing the title, all authors, and their complete contact information (phone, fax, postal address, email), including an indication of which author is the contact author. Authors will be notified of acceptance on October 8, 1997. All submissions will be judged on originality, relevance, and correctness. Each accepted submission may be assigned a member of the program committee to act as its shepherd through the preparation of the final paper. The assigned member will act as a conduit for feedback from the committee to the authors. Camera-ready final papers are due on December 9, 1997. If you would like to receive detailed guidelines for submission and examples of extended abstracts, you may send email to: <securityauthors@usenix.org> or telephone the USENIX Association office at (510) 528-8649. The Security Symposium, like most conferences and journals, requires that papers not be submitted simultaneously to another conference or publication and that submitted papers not be previously or subsequently published elsewhere. Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreement forms are not acceptable and will be returned to the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a matter of policy and in accord with the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976. There will be one or two prizes awarded for best paper(s). WHERE TO SUBMIT For reliability, please send one copy of your paper to the program committee via each of the following two methods. All submissions will be acknowledged. o Email Postscript to: securitypapers@usenix.org o Send a hard copy to: Security Symposium USENIX 2560 Ninth St., Ste. #215 Berkeley CA 94710 U.S.A. Phone: (510) 528-8649 Fax: (510) 548-5738 Vendor Exhibits Demonstrate your security product to our technically astute attendees responsible for security at their sites. We invite you to take part in the Vendor Display. The table-top display allows you to meet with attendees informally and demonstrate in detail your security solutions. Contact: Cynthia Deno Email: cynthia@usenix.org Phone: 408.335.9445 Fax: 408.335.5327 Works-in-Progress Session (WIPs) The last session of the symposium will be a Works-in-Progress session consisting of five minute presentations. Speakers should provide a one or two paragraph abstract to the program chair by 6:00 pm on January 28, 1998 at the conference. These should be provided in person, not via email. The chair will post the schedule of presentations by noon on the 29th. Experience at other conferences has shown that usually, all of them are accepted. The five minute time limit will be strictly enforced. INVITED TALKS There will be several invited talks at the conference in parallel with the refereed papers. If you have suggestions for possible speakers, please send them to <security@usenix.org>. REGISTRATION MATERIALS Materials containing all details of the technical and tutorial programs, registration fees and forms, and hotel information will be available at the end of October 1997. To receive the registration materials, please contact: USENIX Conference Office 22672 Lambert Street, Suite 613 Lake Forest, CA USA 92630 Phone: (714) 588-8649 Fax: (714) 588-9706 Email: <conference@usenix.org> Information can also be found under the Conference home page: <http://www.usenix.org/sec/sec98.html>.
From: mow@navigator.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.2 for Mach Experience Date: 9 Jul 1997 11:09:50 GMT Organization: Navigator Message-ID: <5pvrhu$m7m$1@radjah.navigator.de> References: <5pt1od$2hb@thoth.portal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: pok@prometheus.digital-rain.com In <5pt1od$2hb@thoth.portal.ca> pok wrote: > > > By the way, does anyone know of a good communications program for calling > BBS's? Kermit is absolutely intolerable. kermit is cool for Unix experts. It just works. If you want a fancy app, look for TipTop. -- Navigator Markus Wenzel info@navigator.de IT Consulting & System Administration http://www.navigator.de/
From: mow@navigator.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Which Faxmodems work together with NXFax? Date: 9 Jul 1997 11:14:43 GMT Organization: Navigator Message-ID: <5pvrr3$m7m$2@radjah.navigator.de> References: <5pqqke$3te$2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> <5ps2qj$d6l$1@maryj.bitstream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: cejensen@bitstream.net In <5ps2qj$d6l$1@maryj.bitstream.net> Christian Jensen wrote: > ZyXEL - Elite 2864 > > [This info obtained direct from B&W Software on 3/10/97] > Elite 2864 I depends on the firmware revision. The most recent 2.07/1.16 fails in receiving faxes with NXFax. 2.04/1.13a works. -- Navigator Markus Wenzel info@navigator.de IT Consulting & System Administration http://www.navigator.de/
From: Damn Yankee<damnyankee@yankee.inc> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Yankee Inc. Subject: I Am Very Sorry!!! Message-ID: <33c2597c.2@nntp.kalnet.net> Date: 8 Jul 97 15:15:08 GMT I would like to apologise to this newsgroup and everyone who reads this newsgroup!!! I promise never to post or send spam to this or any other newsgroup that does not pertain to my posting!!! Please accept my humble apology and again I will never post spam here again!!! Thank You!!! Andrew Schero yank714@kalnet.net
From: Patrick <pjenki1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Questions concerning my NeXTstation (modem, ethernet, etc) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:29:21 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970709002407.2115A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: pjenki1 Hello all! I hope this the correct group to post to... I have a next slab (040, 25mhz) with ns 3.3 installed. Whenever I try to use HostManager or SimpleNetworkStarter (or any network related tool), the settings can never be saved with NetInfo because "netinfo is readonly". What am I doing wrong? I am logged in as root... User Manager doesn't work (ends w/ the same error). thanks for your help! this is probably something really simple, but I am fairly new to Next (got it ~ 1 1/2 weeks ago :-) cya, Patrick Jenkins --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick email: url: Jenkins pjenki1@gl.umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~pjenki1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions concerning my NeXTstation (modem, ethernet, etc) Date: 10 Jul 1997 12:15:08 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5q2joc$org$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970709002407.2115A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: pjenki1@gl.umbc.edu In <Pine.SGI.3.95.970709002407.2115A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu> Patrick wrote: > Whenever I try to use HostManager or SimpleNetworkStarter > (or any network related tool), the settings can never be saved with > NetInfo because "netinfo is readonly". What am I doing wrong? I am > logged in as root... User Manager doesn't work (ends w/ the same error). It's one of two things: The master property of the / directory lists a hostname which isn't the current hostname of your machine. The trusted_hosts property of the / directory lists a network number which doesn't match your current network number. I'm assuming here that you have a two level domain on your machine with the top level '/' omain tagged as 'network', which is what you get from SimpleNetworkStarter.app. The things can be fixed by dumping out the contents of the netinfo database in 'raw' mode: nidump -r / / > /tmp/netinfo.raw Then editing the raw mode data to correct the problems --- the stuff you need to change is right up close to the top of the file --- and then rebuilding the netinfo domain: cd /etc/netinfo mv network.nidb network-old.nidb kill -HUP `cat /etc/nibindd.pid` nidomain -m network niload -r -t / localhost/network < /tmp/netinfo.raw kill -HUP `cat /etc/nibindd.pid` Everything should check out OK now using HostManager.app or NetInfoManager.app: if all seems to be well, go ahead and reboot the machine. You can delete the old network domain later at your leisure once you're happy that everything really is OK: nidomain -d network-old On the other hand, you could blow away any netinfo data you have and replace it with the defaults from the template: cd /etc/netinfo rm -rf *.nidb cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo/local.nidb . reboot Beware that this will destroy *all* of the data currently stored in your netinfo (passwords, NFS mounts, etc. etc.) and return your machine pretty much to a virgin "just out of the box" state --- do this entirely at your own risk. Matthew [Posted and mailed] -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Two problems with (black) monitor Message-ID: <ED3s75.KMz@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <KOCHHAR.97Jul7102537@endor.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:33:02 GMT In article <KOCHHAR.97Jul7102537@endor.harvard.edu> kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) writes: > > hi! > I have a black NeXtStation... I'm running into a couple of problems > with the monitor: > > - The monitor screen area seems to have shrunk over time (i.e., same > pixel resolution, but the actual dimensions in inches seems to have > shrunk over time)... > If you're familiar with TV set technology you could open the monitor and adjust the heidth and width. But beware if not. Danger High Voltage! > - A few times (e.g., 1/10) after power-on, the monitor won't come up > (i.e., nothing shows on the monitor, not even the "Testing..." > screen) at all.. If I wait a while and try power-cycling again a few > times, it finally works... > To me it sounds like a monitor slowly dying. But it could also be a problem of the power supply... > Any idea what might be going on in either of the two problems above? > Is the monitor or the computer on its way to dying? > -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Support for old HP printer? Message-ID: <ED3sDt.KpB@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <AFE870E7-752E@207.220.146.84> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:37:04 GMT In article <AFE870E7-752E@207.220.146.84> "Frank Alviani" <alviani@ix.netcom.com> writes: Hello all, > > I have an old HP DeskWriter (Mac) that I no longer use. I have also just > set up an Intel system with OpenStep 4.2 (Prelude to Rhapsody CDs), and > was wondering if there was any way to use the HP with it? > If you were up for a hack you could try to set up a serial or parallel line connection. You might need to enable the operating system to support your corresponding ports (Configure.app). -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:14:26 -0600 From: Alan J. Roy <alanjroy@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Searching for an ISP who understand UNIX aka NeXT in NY City Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Message-ID: <868555363.27387@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service Yes! I called ATT and MCI and they only know about MS Windows or Mac :^( Could some kind soul leads me an ISP in the New York City area. Thanks Alan -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Searching for an ISP who understand UNIX aka NeXT in NY City Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:27:56 GMT Organization: Dental Records (R) Message-ID: <5q3k4s$2h6@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <868555363.27387@dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: alanjroy@worldnet.att.net In <868555363.27387@dejanews.com> Alan J. Roy wrote: > Yes! I called ATT and MCI and they only know about MS Windows > or Mac :^( > > Could some kind soul leads me an ISP in the New York City > area. > > Thanks > > Alan > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet > www.precipice.com -- Rick Sanford Dental Records(R) dental@precipice.com NeXTMAIL welcome http://www.dentalrecords.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:02:10 -0600 From: ccboone@amber.indstate.edu Subject: Bootdisk for NS 3.3 or 4.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <868661496.20898@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service I am in need of a way to make a bootdisk for an intel machine. I have Openstep 4.0, but I can't find the bootdisk. Can someone help me with this problem. Please reply by emailing me at my personal address below. Thanks, Charles Boone System Administrator -- Indiana State University email - ccboone@amber.indstate.edu -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Whereabouts of Deepspace Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <ED682o.oEC@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:11:12 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Anyone know what happened to Deepspace? I finally broke down and ordered one of their nicely-priced colour slabs on Monday and have heard nothing. I know it's only a week but I guess I'm impatient to have some black hardware that's quieter than my cube with super-sonic Hitachi monitor. :) -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: John Zachary <zachary@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: FS: OpenStep 4.2 Mach User+Developer Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:03:24 -0500 Organization: LSU Robotics Research Laboratory Message-ID: <33C8376C.34BA@bit.csc.lsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have been seduced by the dark side into (one of) my dream jobs and as a consequence, I won't have time to devote to porting some projects to OpenStep. Thus, I have the recent OpenStep 4.2 Mach for Intel User + Developer software with manuals for sale. I ordered it all directly from Apple about 4 weeks ago so the manuals haven't even been read. Asking price is $240 + 1/2 of S/H in the continental U.S. John Note: This is the academic version but has the full-blown capability.
From: seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with WordPerfect 1.0.1 Date: 13 Jul 1997 01:01:53 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <5q99e1$dsr@ttacs7.ttu.edu> i installed wp 1.0.1 on my Next Turbo Color Station and i have the follwing problem: when i type in a wp document, some of the typed letters, like s, don't appear on screen. also, the backspace key adds an additional space. is there a way that i can fix this? any help is appreciated. hs
From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat+next+usenet@luomat.peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem with WordPerfect 1.0.1 Date: 13 Jul 1997 02:14:54 GMT Organization: The PEAK FTP Archive for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Message-ID: <5q9dmu$skg$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5q99e1$dsr@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu In <5q99e1$dsr@ttacs7.ttu.edu> seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: is this a ADB system? What is the date in the 'Info' panel? (there were more than one version 1.0.1) TjL ps -- Hebrew started as of 2 July, and ends on 22 August, so please understand if responses are slow. I am taking a 2 semester class in 8 weeks for 6 credits -- TjL <luomat@peak.org>
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From: "Zuc" <andrew@e-net.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Whereabouts of Deepspace Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:45:57 GMT Organization: Internet Connect, Inc. http://www.inc.net usenet@news.inc.net Message-ID: <01bc8fac$fe358b00$68ba5fcc@dionysus> References: <ED682o.oEC@novice.uwaterloo.ca> yes, I called to order some stuff from them before the 4th and they said they will be on vacation from July 4th until July 15th. -Andrew David Evans <dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in article <ED682o.oEC@novice.uwaterloo.ca>... > Anyone know what happened to Deepspace? I finally broke down and ordered > one of their nicely-priced colour slabs on Monday and have heard nothing. I > know it's only a week but I guess I'm impatient to have some black hardware > that's quieter than my cube with super-sonic Hitachi monitor. :)
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From: a5@a.a Subject: $$$ NEW SYSTEM, BETTER THAN "ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST" $ Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: 17 Message-ID: <33c9247b.0@news.unibe.ch> Date: 13 Jul 97 18:54:51 GMT I have participated in the standard "Please put me on your mailing list" letter and found it to be worth my time (I get 1 or 2 handfulls or letters every day) but I also found that it's results were nowhere near what I expected due mainly to people not sending in the money but rather spreading the letter without paying for it. I participated in that mainly as an experiment and found that there are a tremendous amount of people willing to do it. I thought about how to, first, eliminate the "non-pay" problem and, second, to create a monthly income. I came upon the solution and decided to start a new program. I decided that there were 3 things that this new program needed in order to work for everyone and they were: 1.) It needed to be very simple and easy for anyone to do, and, 2.) It needed to be inexpensive enough for even the poorest of people, and, 3.) It needs to be DUPLICATABLE. I think you will find this program to meet those requirements. I have put lots of thought into it and I ask that you PLEASE do NOT modify it. This WILL WORK if you follow it. This system is based on the unconditional "loaning" of money to people. Simply say, "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can." You should find 5 or more people who will send $2 to the 5 needy people on this list AND MAINTAIN 5 or more people who will do the same. You should put your name on postition number 5 and move each of the other names up one position. The name originally on position number 1 gets removed. You should be able to contact each of your 5 or more people to see if they are going to be active this month. If not then you need to find one or more people to be active in order to maintain at least 5. I am not speaking about the 5 people on the list but rather the 5 new people you have found. I would highly suggest having more than 5 in any given month. Now I know that this would be extremely easy to do since I can think of at least 20 people myself who will do this consistently. The key is to maintain at LEAST 5 active people. If you don't then you can't expect for the rest of the people to do it either and you can't expect for this system to work. This system is a no-brainer, and if someone can't afford the $10 + stamps for this then they truly ARE in need! It is OK to use the internet to find people but I think it would be easier to find them through people that you know. This way it will be easier for you to contact them every month to ask about their being active, unless someone is willing to give you their e-mail address. Here are some numbers: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 4 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 4 people = $8, Total now $8 Level 2: $2 x 16 people = $32, Total now $8 + $32 = $40 Level 3: $2 x 64 people = $128, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 = $168 Level 4: $2 x 256 people = $512, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 = $680 Level 5: $2 x 1024 people = $2048, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 + $2048 = *** $2728 *** Yearly income: $2728 x 12 months = $32,736 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 5 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 5 people = $10, Total now $10 Level 2: $2 x 25 people = $50, Total now $10 + $50 = $60 Level 3: $2 x 125 people = $250, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 = $310 Level 4: $2 x 500 people = $1000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 = $1310 Level 5: $2 x 2500 people = $5000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 + $5000 = *** $6310 *** Yearly income: $6310 x 12 months = $75,720 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 6 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 6 people = $12, Total now $12 Level 2: $2 x 36 people = $72, Total now $12 + $72 = $84 Level 3: $2 x 216 people = $432, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 = $516 Level 4: $2 x 1296 people = $2592, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 = $3108 Level 5: $2 x 7776 people = $15552, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 + $15552 = *** $18660 *** Yearly income: $18660 x 12 months = $223,920 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 7 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 7 people = $14, Total now $14 Level 2: $2 x 49 people = $98, Total now $14 + $98 = $112 Level 3: $2 x 343 people = $686, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 = $798 Level 4: $2 x 2401 people = $4802, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 = $5600 Level 5: $2 x 16807 people = $33614, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 + $33614 = *** $39214 *** Yearly income: $39214 x 12 months = $470,568 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep in mind that it does not matter what day of the month that someone chooses to be active. It DOES matter that they are active on that day EVERY month. The key to this is DUPLICATION! You must treat this as a business. If you treat it like a hobby that is how it will treat you. You could even organize small meetings with your people and their prospects and work with your leaders. Think of how easy this would be for you, how reasonable this is, and of how good the chances are of it working for you. You may need to hire someone to open all the envelopes. NOTE: I decided on $2 instead of $1 because it is more feasible and it won't matter much for someone to send $2 as opposed to $1. Also I was against $5 as that becomes too expensive to duplicate. Mail $2 every month with a piece of paper saying "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can" to the following needy people: #1 Robert Jezil 114 Jefferson Ave. Slidell, LA 70460 #2 Phil Walther Jr. 9495 Annapolis Lane North Maple Grove, MN 55369 #3 C. E. Burkman 170 University Ave. W Suite 12-129 Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3E9 #4 A. Bailey 1207 Reeves Road Plainfield, IN 46168 #5 J. Martin P.O. Box 2292 Reston, Va. 20195
From: a13@a.a Subject: $$$$$ LOAN BUSINESS, EASY MONTHLY INCOME, NO BRAINER $$$$$$$ Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: 3 Message-ID: <33c9248b.0@news.unibe.ch> Date: 13 Jul 97 18:55:07 GMT I have participated in the standard "Please put me on your mailing list" letter and found it to be worth my time (I get 1 or 2 handfulls or letters every day) but I also found that it's results were nowhere near what I expected due mainly to people not sending in the money but rather spreading the letter without paying for it. I participated in that mainly as an experiment and found that there are a tremendous amount of people willing to do it. I thought about how to, first, eliminate the "non-pay" problem and, second, to create a monthly income. I came upon the solution and decided to start a new program. I decided that there were 3 things that this new program needed in order to work for everyone and they were: 1.) It needed to be very simple and easy for anyone to do, and, 2.) It needed to be inexpensive enough for even the poorest of people, and, 3.) It needs to be DUPLICATABLE. I think you will find this program to meet those requirements. I have put lots of thought into it and I ask that you PLEASE do NOT modify it. This WILL WORK if you follow it. This system is based on the unconditional "loaning" of money to people. Simply say, "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can." You should find 5 or more people who will send $2 to the 5 needy people on this list AND MAINTAIN 5 or more people who will do the same. You should put your name on postition number 5 and move each of the other names up one position. The name originally on position number 1 gets removed. You should be able to contact each of your 5 or more people to see if they are going to be active this month. If not then you need to find one or more people to be active in order to maintain at least 5. I am not speaking about the 5 people on the list but rather the 5 new people you have found. I would highly suggest having more than 5 in any given month. Now I know that this would be extremely easy to do since I can think of at least 20 people myself who will do this consistently. The key is to maintain at LEAST 5 active people. If you don't then you can't expect for the rest of the people to do it either and you can't expect for this system to work. This system is a no-brainer, and if someone can't afford the $10 + stamps for this then they truly ARE in need! It is OK to use the internet to find people but I think it would be easier to find them through people that you know. This way it will be easier for you to contact them every month to ask about their being active, unless someone is willing to give you their e-mail address. Here are some numbers: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 4 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 4 people = $8, Total now $8 Level 2: $2 x 16 people = $32, Total now $8 + $32 = $40 Level 3: $2 x 64 people = $128, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 = $168 Level 4: $2 x 256 people = $512, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 = $680 Level 5: $2 x 1024 people = $2048, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 + $2048 = *** $2728 *** Yearly income: $2728 x 12 months = $32,736 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 5 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 5 people = $10, Total now $10 Level 2: $2 x 25 people = $50, Total now $10 + $50 = $60 Level 3: $2 x 125 people = $250, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 = $310 Level 4: $2 x 500 people = $1000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 = $1310 Level 5: $2 x 2500 people = $5000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 + $5000 = *** $6310 *** Yearly income: $6310 x 12 months = $75,720 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 6 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 6 people = $12, Total now $12 Level 2: $2 x 36 people = $72, Total now $12 + $72 = $84 Level 3: $2 x 216 people = $432, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 = $516 Level 4: $2 x 1296 people = $2592, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 = $3108 Level 5: $2 x 7776 people = $15552, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 + $15552 = *** $18660 *** Yearly income: $18660 x 12 months = $223,920 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 7 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 7 people = $14, Total now $14 Level 2: $2 x 49 people = $98, Total now $14 + $98 = $112 Level 3: $2 x 343 people = $686, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 = $798 Level 4: $2 x 2401 people = $4802, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 = $5600 Level 5: $2 x 16807 people = $33614, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 + $33614 = *** $39214 *** Yearly income: $39214 x 12 months = $470,568 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep in mind that it does not matter what day of the month that someone chooses to be active. It DOES matter that they are active on that day EVERY month. The key to this is DUPLICATION! You must treat this as a business. If you treat it like a hobby that is how it will treat you. You could even organize small meetings with your people and their prospects and work with your leaders. Think of how easy this would be for you, how reasonable this is, and of how good the chances are of it working for you. You may need to hire someone to open all the envelopes. NOTE: I decided on $2 instead of $1 because it is more feasible and it won't matter much for someone to send $2 as opposed to $1. Also I was against $5 as that becomes too expensive to duplicate. Mail $2 every month with a piece of paper saying "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can" to the following needy people: #1 Robert Jezil 114 Jefferson Ave. Slidell, LA 70460 #2 Phil Walther Jr. 9495 Annapolis Lane North Maple Grove, MN 55369 #3 C. E. Burkman 170 University Ave. W Suite 12-129 Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3E9 #4 A. Bailey 1207 Reeves Road Plainfield, IN 46168 #5 J. Martin P.O. Box 2292 Reston, Va. 20195
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