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From: rwakeman@thoughtport.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wed Page Design App? Date: 26 Nov 1996 03:33:21 GMT Message-ID: <57doe1$hdl@news1-alterdial.uu.net> There are apps for mac and windows. (Adobe Pagemill, Claris Home Page), which simplify web page design. Not being a programmer myself, I was wondering if there are any such apps for NextStep or OpenStep? Thanks Robert rwakeman@thoughtport.com
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wed Page Design App? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:11:12 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <329A6DA6.34D4@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <57doe1$hdl@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rwakeman@thoughtport.com wrote: > > There are apps for mac and windows. (Adobe Pagemill, Claris Home > Page), which simplify web page design. Not being a programmer myself, > I was wondering if there are any such apps for NextStep or OpenStep? > Thanks > Robert > > rwakeman@thoughtport.com Check out the following web site. http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~malc/NEXTSTEP/WWW/contents.html YoungHoon Kil From Korea ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: btr@trenet.com Date: 30 Nov 1996 22:04:54 EST Control: cancel <32a0c8cb.17343116@nntp.cts.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <32a0c8cb.17343116@nntp.cts.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.32a0c8cb.17343116@nntp.cts.com> Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Be a Beta Tester!
From: drinke@r56h108.res.gatech.edu (Dave Rinker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: getting a zip drive to work on black hardware Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 26 Nov 1996 16:32:36 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <57f634$cle@smash.gatech.edu> References: <57dr7u$q9@lynx.unm.edu> Colin Eric Johnson (colinj@math.math.unm.edu) wrote: : So I have my zip drive, and I have a DB-25 to SCSI-2 (mini-centronics) : cable, it's plugged into my NeXT cube and the cube has been rebooted. : Why can't I seem to see any of the Zip disks? Is there a disktab entry : I need to add? Is there something special I should do? Any help anyone : can offer is appreciated. No disktab is needed... it should just work. Make sure your cable is good and make sure it is properly terminated. Also, you need to (generally) log into the workspace to mount the disk. -- Dave Rinker Georgia Institute of Technology - Computer Science
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocac Subject: cancel Control: cancel <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> Date: 2 Dec 1996 03:57:10 GMT Organization: Ripco Communications Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <57tk2m$39u$1@gail.ripco.com> <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> is excessively silly. -- David Richards Ripco, since Nineteen-Eighty-Three My opinions are my own, Public Access in Chicago But they are available for rental Shell/SLIP/PPP/UUCP/ISDN/Leased dr@ripco.com (312) 665-0065 !Free Usenet/E-Mail!
From: sburke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean M. Burke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need info on changing/finding ROM password Followup-To: poster Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 15:38:36 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <32a2f7ae.10674443@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> I've got an old cube that I've never known the ROM password to. Now I need to boot it in single user mode, and can't without the password. Is there a hardware way to find out or reset the ROM password? Thanks in advance --- Sean M. Burke -- burke.63@osu.edu Systems Specialist -- University Technology Services 005 Lord Hall 124 W 17th Avenue Columbus, OH 43210 Phone - (614) 292-1458 Fax - (614) 292-3299
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem installing 3.3 for slab. Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:29:42 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961202094138.5718D-100000@kira> References: <32A2FDD7.46D7@cyrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Adam Krolnik <adamk@cyrix.com> In-Reply-To: <32A2FDD7.46D7@cyrix.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com I just installed 3.3 on my slab about a month ago. You'll need the boot floppy that came with 3.3 (if you don't have it you might be able to get it from NeXTAnswers), put that in the floppy drive and boot from the ROM monitor with this command bfd (note: some turbo machines don't require the boot floppies, you can use "bcd" rather than "bfd") it should look for attached CD-ROMs and ask if you want to install NS on it. let me know if this doesn't work for you. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: Adam Krolnik <adamk@cyrix.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem installing 3.3 for slab. Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 10:03:35 -0600 Organization: Cyrix Corp. Message-ID: <32A2FDD7.46D7@cyrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I was rebuilding my system this weekend and came up with a very strange error. After performing the first installation step and rebooting the machine, I get an error about remounting the built disk. The machine reports that it can't remound rsd1a as / Some info about the way I built the disk (in case I'm violating some unwritten rule) disk to be built at SCSI id 1. SCSI CD-ROM at id 0. boot from CD-ROM step 1 install OS files from CD-ROM. Reboot system, but switch CD-ROM ID from 0 to 2 (so the disk boots) Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Adam Krolnik Design Verification Engineer Cyrix, Corp.
From: dreampns@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Have 3.2 But Drivers Are for 3.3 ??? Date: 2 Dec 1996 19:16:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961202191800.OAA18488@ladder01.news.aol.com> I have NS 3.2 But All the Drivers In NeXTAnswers are listed under NS 3.3/ Does this mean I will need to upgrade to 3.3?? Do I have to Purchase 3.3 outright or can I upgrade??
From: schaub@tamu.edu (Hanspeter Schaub) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: transparent color showing as white??? Date: 3 Dec 1996 01:32:25 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Message-ID: <57vvv9$hu2@news.tamu.edu> I'm having a strange problem here. On my NS system at home I created a tiff of our university logo with with a transparent background using ToyViewer. When I uploaded the tiff to the NS system in our department, the same tiff always shows up with a white background instead of a transparent one. Different viewers, (OmniImage, ToyViewer, ..) all confirm that the image does contain alpha stuff. I tried replacing the originally white background with transparent one on the campus computers, but that would help either. We have several NS computer networked together there. This wouldn't display properly on any of them. I was suspecting that there might be some program installed on the system which is incorrectly filtering these tiffs and changing the transparent background to white. Anybody know of a program that would do this? We have OmniImage, ToyViewer2.4E, GifOMatic, FastView installed. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, since a deadline is looming large! blue skies, HP -- Hanspeter Schaub Ph.D. Graduate Research Assistant Aerospace Engineering Department Texas A&M University http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~schaub schaub@tamu.edu (NeXTmail welcome) We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! WE CAN LEARN TO FLY! -Jonathon Livingston Seagull
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUBMISSION: NEXTSTEP HanGul Guide Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:13:29 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32A3A8CF.4960@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEXTSTEP HanGul Guide Written By Korean: Check out the following folder. ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/ If you can't find the documet, try the following folder. ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/documents/misc/ HanGul_Pack_Install.tar.gz: This is Korean font pack install guide with NEXTSTEP 3.3J. HanGul_NEXTSTEP_Guide_3.tar.gz: In this document, you'll learn how to make an account on the NEXTSTEP 3.3 or OPENSTEP 4.1. To read these documents, You need to install the WritingDesk(It's mean FUDUKUE2) demo version on the NEXTSTEP 3.3J with Korean font pack. The next documents will be upload soon. FUDUKUE2: http://www.cnds.canon.co.jp/Japanese_EUC/Products_NSAG3/Japanese/FUDUKUE2/FUDUKUE2.html ftp://ftp.cnds.canon.co.jp/pub/DemoApps/FUDUKUE2.tar.gz Thanks, YoungHoon Kil From South Korea ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News Written By Korean)
From: robin@pswtech.com (Robin Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP setup Date: 3 Dec 1996 15:20:49 GMT Organization: PSW Technologies Message-ID: <581ggh$eos@digdug.pswtech.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961119155018.14050E-100000@kira> <1996Nov20.200429.24563@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: } In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961119155018.14050E-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma } <luomat@peak.org> writes: } > 9600! Wow.... hope you weren't planning on surfing the 'net } } I started out with 2400, a long time ago (this is for WWW). I can still remember when the 2400bps modems were "way fast" compared to the 1200bps modems we were using at Lockheed. Of course, this was before there was really a "web" to surf -- we just read news, and sent e-mail. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pswtech.com PSW Technologies 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 251-1737 (512) 343-6666
From: d94dwa@csd.uu.se (David Wallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.3patch1 on 3.2dev? Date: 3 Dec 1996 17:31:08 GMT Organization: Not speaking for Uppsala University Message-ID: <581o4s$1qs4@columba.udac.uu.se> this has probably been asked before and I'm sorry I have to ask it again. I installed the DualDeveloper script on my system and it works great, however, the 3.2 package seems a bit out of date :-) so I was wondering what, if any, parts of the 3.3patch1 I can install successfully on my 3.2developer side. thanks, --david.
From: rudy (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: transparent color showing as white??? Date: 3 Dec 1996 14:36:34 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <581dti$95h@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <57vvv9$hu2@news.tamu.edu> Cc: schaub@tamu.edu In <57vvv9$hu2@news.tamu.edu> Hanspeter Schaub wrote: > I'm having a strange problem here. On my NS system at home I created a tiff > of our university logo with with a transparent background using ToyViewer. > When I uploaded the tiff to the NS system in our department, the same tiff > always shows up with a white background instead of a transparent one. > Different viewers, (OmniImage, ToyViewer, ..) all confirm that the image > does contain alpha stuff. I tried replacing the originally white background > with transparent one on the campus computers, but that would help either. > AFAIK ToyViever show transparent color as white, but treats it as transparent. Or did you mean that you open a webpage in OmniWeb and the background is white there? I didn't have problem like that. Maybe some filtering service that doesn's support transparent colors is used in OmniWeb because of the way you installed it? Not sure how to fix, other than removing any apps/services other than you want. Good luck, Rudy -- Rudy Blazek Michigan State University blazek@stt.msu.edu Department of Statistics & Probability
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.3patch1 on 3.2dev? Date: 4 Dec 1996 08:00:44 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <583b3c$t8m@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <581o4s$1qs4@columba.udac.uu.se> d94dwa@csd.uu.se (David Wallin) wrote: > this has probably been asked before and I'm sorry I have to ask > it again. I installed the DualDeveloper script on my system and > it works great, however, the 3.2 package seems a bit out of date > :-) so I was wondering what, if any, parts of the 3.3patch1 I > can install successfully on my 3.2developer side. Of the patch? I don't think I'd install any of it. It is not a patch for NS-3.2. There is the foundation-kit patch (which is available as a NeXTanswer, but I forget the number). That would be useful to install on your NS-3.2 system, if you haven't already. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: JanUlrich.Hasecke@Leverkusen.Netsurf.de (Jan Ulrich Hasecke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 5 Dec 1996 17:06:22 GMT Organization: PIRONET GmbH Message-ID: <586vee$qn3@sail.leverkusen.netsurf.de> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> <32A667C3.2324@soback.kornet.nm.kr> YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> wrote: >Tien-hsing Hsia wrote: >> >> Does anyone know how to get an NeXT-generated .eps file onto a Mac so that it >> looks like PostScript (i.e., smooth) rather than a bitmap? >> >> I am trying to get a file to a Mac-based printing shop for a business card, >> and all they get is a jaggy image, rather than something suitable for hi-res >> printing. I don't see any options in Preview or Draw to include the fonts with >> the file, so how do I do this? >> I can include Fonts into eps-Files by using the programm OneVision. OneVision is able to edit Postscript completely. With OneVision we, so that is me and the Public-Relations-company I am working for, created many booklets, leaflets and so on. I think OneVision is the best Publishing Programm ever written for NeXTStep. If you want to print something on other Postscript-printers, You must use the corresponding ppd.File. You can get it from Your Print-Shop. You can create a ps.file, by using the Print-Panel. Use "save" instead of "print" and the option "Chosen Printer / Include Fonts". A Postscript-File is created, which can be printed on the chosen Printer. ------------------------------------------------ Jan Ulrich Hasecke Goldstr. 8 D-42697 Solingen Germany Tel.: ++49-212-33 67 72 Fax.: ++49-212-2 33 14 83 email: JanUlrich.Hasecke@Leverkusen.Netsurf.de (NeXTMail o.k / MIME o.k) http://www.koeln.netsurf.de/~JanUlrich.Hasecke/ -----------------------------------------------
From: schatt@scf.usc.edu (Drew Schatt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: [Q]: What do I need to do to get my cube and slab to boot? Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 11:19:20 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: schatt@comserv-e-03.usc.edu Message-ID: <schatt-ya023280000512961119200001@nnrp.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone- I recently got a cube for $20 (no hd or ram) and a slab for around 200 (both mono and 25 mhz). However, I am having boot problems at startup, and I know that this isn't a hardware problem but solely configuration problem. Sadly, I don't have the install cd, so I can't just reinstall the system on these machines. They are both running 3.1, and both appear to hang in the boot process right after network_init loads. The last 2 lines on the screen are: >Starting RPC and network services: nmserver portmapadd bet default: gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx >Dec 5 xx xx cube netmsgserver[56]: network_init After that, the machine just hangs. No disk accesses, or anything. They both boot into single user fine, so anything that needs to (and can be) done from the command line I can do. I took a look at the hostconfig, and it seems fine to me, but these are the first NeXTs I've ever dealt with, so I may not be the best person to ask about that. If you have any ideas as to what I should do, please e-mail me, or if you know of any resources for the proper configuration (web pages, books, etc....) please tell me what they are. I would prefer e-mail, as I don't get a chance to read news as often as I would like. Thanks again for the time.... ---Drew Schatt schatt@scf.usc.edu
From: Jeremy G Mereness <jeremym+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FoundationKit Shlibs for 3.2??? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:48:56 -0500 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0mdp5M200V4102kHY0@andrew.cmu.edu> Hello. I am trying to find the Foundation Kit shlibs so that I can get OmniWeb to run on my NextStep 3.2 systems. But I can't find them anywhere on Next's FTP site. Have they moved somewhere else? Did Next forget about it? |Jeremy Mereness |Facilities Technical Manager |Institute for Technology and Management, NYC |Graduate School of Industrial Administration |Carnegie Mellon University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- jeremym@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/jeremym/home.html
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 5 Dec 1996 23:42:52 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <587mls$aji@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> Cc: baconbomb@mailmasher.com In <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> Tien-hsing Hsia wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get an NeXT-generated .eps file onto a Mac so that it > looks like PostScript (i.e., smooth) rather than a bitmap? The PS generated my NeXTSTEP is usually ok and does not have these problems. My guess is you have included some low resolution raster images in your EPS. How does the file look when viewed in Preview.app on high zoom? If you see jaggies there, any printout - paper or film - will not improve it. NeXTSTEP EPS files does not have a preview (not needed since DPS will do a better job), so you will see only a plain box when placeing these files on the Macintosh. > I am trying to get a file to a Mac-based printing shop for a business card, > and all they get is a jaggy image, rather than something suitable for hi-res > printing. I don't see any options in Preview or Draw to include the fonts with > the file, so how do I do this? To find out if raster images are used and what fonts are needed you can testdrive my 'pscheck' program, available as beta for NeXTSTEP, DOS and Linux on my home page. Maybe you simply tell your prepress bureau the font names, usually they have the most common ones handy. > Alternatively, does anyone know of a NeXT-capable printing company that can > get this thing into a format that will work on a Mac? I don't mind paying for > this, because I really need it done. > The format is useable on the Macintosh. If your EPS file is reasonable small (<500 kByte) feel free to send it to me and I will take a look at it next week as I find time. - Frank -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: petitmermet@biocomp.mat.ethz.ch (Marc Petitmermet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 4 Dec 1996 21:48:56 GMT Organization: EUnet AG Distribution: world Message-ID: <584rk8$enl@news.eunet.ch> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> Cc: baconbomb@mailmasher.com In <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> Tien-hsing Hsia wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get an NeXT-generated .eps file onto a Mac so that it > looks like PostScript (i.e., smooth) rather than a bitmap? > > I am trying to get a file to a Mac-based printing shop for a business card, > and all they get is a jaggy image, rather than something suitable for hi-res > printing. I don't see any options in Preview or Draw to include the fonts with > the file, so how do I do this? > > Alternatively, does anyone know of a NeXT-capable printing company that can > get this thing into a format that will work on a Mac? I don't mind paying for > this, because I really need it done. > > Thanks, > > Thomas McCarthy > tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu (no NeXTmail) > 1. Rosetta.app to convert the different cahracter sets (NS - > MacOS) 2. on the Mac: EpstoPict Converter (shareware) to create a preview image 3. on the Mac: Epsfixer (shareware?) to add the preview image to the eps-file Now, you have an Mac eps-file which will get printed perfectly and you also have a preview image on the screen. If you omit steps 2 and 3 you only get a box which represents the eps-file. It will get preinted perfectly but you don©t have the preview image. Hope this helps. --- marc
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP chat for SupraFax 33.6 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:52:53 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961130085044.17453C-100000@kira> References: <57okga$lmu@moon.pepperdine.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Charles Dvorak <cdvorak@pepvax.pepperdine.edu> In-Reply-To: <57okga$lmu@moon.pepperdine.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Here's mine for a 28.8 TIMEOUT 300 ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "ERROR" "" ATX3 OK ATQ0H0 OK AT&D2 OK ATW1 OK ATM0 OK ATDT5551212 "CONNECT" "" TIMEOUT 25 ogin: mylogin "ord: " mypass note: you probably don't want the same AT settings, unless you want to blind dial giving no heed to whether or not there is a dialtone. TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Erik Walter <ejw@netmanage.com> Subject: Re: [Q]: What do I need to do to get my cube and slab to boot? Message-ID: <c57cc$13208.157@nmb-news> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 19:33:33 PST To: Drew Schatt <schatt@scf.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, Dec 5, 1996,11:19 AM Drew Schatt wrote: : >Starting RPC and network services: nmserver portmapadd bet default: : gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx : >Dec 5 xx xx cube netmsgserver[56]: network_init I saw this recently from a problem with routed. For some reason it was looking for a router that no longer existed and then it just hung. Since you bought these machines used, they might be looking for a router. I also might check to see if it's trying to use NFS and looking for volumes/hosts that don't exist. At the very least, I might try turning off the network and see if it boots then. Erik
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP chat for SupraFax 33.6 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:34:18 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023280003011961534180001@news.tiac.net> References: <57okga$lmu@moon.pepperdine.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961130085044.17453C-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961130085044.17453C-100000@kira>, Tim Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > Here's mine for a 28.8 After wading through the manual, I found this set worked nicely for a 28.8: ATH0, AT&F2, ATS95=46 and then ATDT. AT&F2 sets almost everything that matters. ATS95=46 increases the modem's result info. Barney
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FoundationKit Shlibs for 3.2??? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:50:21 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961205214909.22062B-100000@kira> References: <0mdp5M200V4102kHY0@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jeremy G Mereness <jeremym+@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <0mdp5M200V4102kHY0@andrew.cmu.edu> It's linked to my web page (http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next) http://www.next.com:80/NeXTanswers/ByNumber/2117.compressed TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: [Q]: What do I need to do to get my cube and slab to boot? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E1z50w.Hs8@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:12:31 GMT References: <schatt-ya023280000512961119200001@nnrp.usc.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <schatt-ya023280000512961119200001@nnrp.usc.edu>, Drew Schatt <schatt@scf.usc.edu> wrote: >Hi everyone- > I recently got a cube for $20 HOLY!!!!!! >Sadly, I don't have the install cd, so I can't just reinstall the system on >these machines. You can likely find a 3.3 Academic Bundle on c.s.n.marketplace for not a bad price, BTW. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem installing 3.3 for slab. Date: 6 Dec 1996 08:05:33 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <5895mt$lf2@papoose.quick.com> References: <32A2FDD7.46D7@cyrix.com> In article <32A2FDD7.46D7@cyrix.com>, Adam Krolnik <adamk@cyrix.com> wrote: >Hello, > >I was rebuilding my system this weekend and came up with a very >strange error. After performing the first installation step and >rebooting the machine, I get an error about remounting the built >disk. > >The machine reports that it can't remound rsd1a as / > >Some info about the way I built the disk (in case I'm violating some >unwritten rule) > >disk to be built at SCSI id 1. >SCSI CD-ROM at id 0. > >boot from CD-ROM >step 1 install OS files from CD-ROM. > >Reboot system, but switch CD-ROM ID from 0 to 2 (so the disk boots) > Reboot the system in single user mode. edit /etc/fstab and change /dev/sd1a to /dev/sd0a (In order to modify fstab you may have to run the following command first manually: /etc/mount -o remount /dev/sd0a / ) Once this change has been made you should be fine. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wiedner@nxcb01.cern.ch (Ulrich Wiedner) Subject: ASTRONOMERS using NeXT? Message-ID: <E1zw0M.Dqo@news.cern.ch> Keywords: Astronomy, MIDAS Sender: news@news.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:55:33 GMT Hi, I wonder if there are some astonomers out there that are using a the MIDAS program package of ESO on NeXT hardware. I try to install it but I have some problems. If you can give me some help ... please contact me ... Ulrich e-mail:ulrich.wiedner@cern.ch
From: werner@success1.ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: X-Term Emulator? Date: 5 Dec 1996 22:58:23 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <587k2f$uul@salyko.cube.net> References: <32A6C82C.5F1F@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greg Schaaff <greg@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> wrote: >Does anyone know if there is an X-Windows emulator for Next. I am >running OpenStep 3.3 on Black. Yes, there are several ones, commercial and non-commercial. For myself, I'm running Mouse-X, both on my color and on my mono black station. It works fine. I think I got it from one of the freeware CDs like Nebula, Peanuts, Nova, but you should also find it on www servers like http://peanuts.leo.org Have Fun, Werner
From: scott965@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocac Subject: Re: ****DO YOU WANT SOME EXTRA CASH, TRY THAT!!!!!!! Date: 1 Dec 1996 21:14:16 GMT Organization: none Distribution: inet Message-ID: <57ssf8$1mj@tkhut.sojourn.com> References: <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> this is a scam and it is illegal BEWARE In <01bbdfb9$df4f98a0$2e606d86@nik.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> "HAIKO" wrote: > Oh! My? $$$$ > THIS IS THE FAIREST MOST HONEST WAY I KNOW TO SHARE THE WEALTH! Hello! > (Save this file now...it will save you some time typing later if you > decide to try this) > Would you like to make thousands of dollars, quick, legally, with NO > CATCH? Then keep reading....please take five minutes to read this > article it will change your life, just like it did mine. It's true! > You can make up to or over $50,000 dollars in 4-6 weeks, maybe sooner! > I SWEAR I'M NOT LYING TO YOU, AND THIS IS NOT A SCAM! If you're > intrested, keep reading; if you're not, I apologize for wasting your > time. > Here we go. A little while back, I was browsing through these > newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to > this that said you could make thousands of dollars in weeks with only > an initial investment of $5! So, I thought, "Yeah, right, must be a > scam", but I was curious, like most of us , so I kept reading. Anyway, > it > said that you send $1 to each of the 5 names and addresses stated in the > article. You then place your own name and address in the article at > the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 > newsgroups (there are thousands). No catch, that was it! > So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I tried it. > I figured what have I got to lose except for 5 stamps and $5, right? > Well, guess what...within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! > I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it > another thought. But then money kept coming IN, tripling in size and > multiplying by 10-20 times the amount that I got the first week! In my > first week I made about 20 to 30 dollars. But by the end of the second > week, I had made a total of over $1,000!!!! In the third week, I had > over $10,000 dollars, and it's still growing. This is my fourth week > (Oct 11) and I've made about $42,000 TOTAL, and the money is still > coming in..... > Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it > works...also, make sure you print a copy of the article NOW, so you get > the informatoin off of it, and begin making money. > > The process is very simple, and it consists of 3 EASY steps: > > STEP 1: Get 5 seperate pieces of paper and write the following on each > sheet of paper..."PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. YOU ARE NUMBER > 4." Get five $1 bills and place ONE inside each piece of paper that > you just wrote on, and fold each piece of paper so the bill will not be > seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like to steal envelopes > with money in it will get yours). Put one paper inside the envelope > and seal it. Do the same for all 5. You should now have 5 envelopes > sealed, EACH have a piece of paper AND a $1 bill stuffed inside of the > paper. Make sure those words that were stated above are stated on each > paper. What you are doing is creating a service by this, this is > PERFECTLY LEGAL. Now then, mail the 5 envelopes with the paper and $1 > in each to the following 5 addresses: > > 1. H. H. , 435 Franklin TPA Apt 15 Mahwah, N.J. 07430 > 2. Bruce, P.O. BOX 63 4700 KEELE ST., NORTH YORK, ONTARIO, M3J 1P3 > 3. Meta Zupan, Dvorska vas 12, 4275 Begunje na Gorenjskem, Slovenia > 4. P.DEBOUZY, 9 rue des Lavandieres, 78530 BUC, FRANCE > 5. Nicholas Portmann, Vettersstrasse 54, Z.105, PLZ 09126, Chemnitz, > Germany > > STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the > other 4 names up (5 becoming 4, 4 becoming 3, ect.) and put YOUR NAME > as number 5 on the list. You can slightly alter this article if you need > to, editing what you need to edit. > > STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least > 200 news groups ( I think there are close to 18,000 of them). All you > need is say, at least 200. HOW TO DO THIS: If you have Netscape 3.0 > do EXACTLY the following: > > 1) Click on any news group like normal, THEN click on 'TO NEWS', which > is on the far left when you're in the newsgroups page. This will bring > up a box to type a message in. > > 2) Leave the newsgroup box like it is, CHANGE the subject box to > something flashy, like, "NEED CASH $$$ READ HERE $$$" or "FAST CASH"!!! > > 3) Tab once and you should be ready to type. Now, retype (only once) > THIS whole article WORD FOR WORD, except to insert your name at #5, and > to remove #1 off the list, plus any other small changes you think you > need to make. Keep almost all of it the SAME! > > 4) When you're done typing the WHOLE article, click on FILE in THIS > BOX, RIGHT ABOUVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST > BOX. Click on SAVE AS when you're under FILE. Save you artcle as a > text file to your C: or A: drive. DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE > UNTIL YOU DO THIS. Once saved, move on to number 5 below. > > 5) If you still have all of your text, send or post to this newsgroup > now by just clicking send, which is right below FILE, and right above > Cc: . > > 6)Here's where you're going to post all 200. OK, click on any news > group then click on 'TO NEWS', again in the top left corner. Leave the > NEWSGROUPS BOX alone again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT > BOX, hit TAB once you're in the body of the message, and then click on > ATTACHMENTS, which is below the SUBJECT BOX. You will get another box > to come up. Click on ATTACH FILE, then find YOUR file that you saved; > click once on the file, and then click OPEN' now click on OK; if you did > this right, you should see your file name in the attachments box, and > it will be shaded green. > > IF YOU USE IE EXPLORER IT'S JUST AS EASY...HOLDING DOWN THE LEFT MOUSE > BUTTON, HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRESS THE "CRTL" KEY AND THE "C" > KEY AT THE SAME TIME TO COPY THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR > YOUR RECORDS TO HAVE THE NAMES OF THOSE YOU WILL BE SENDING $1 BILLS > TO. NEXT GO TO THE NEWS GROUPS AND PRESS "POST AN ARTICLE" A WINDOW > WILL OPEN. TYPE IN YOUR HEADLINE IN THE SUBJECT AREA AND THEN CLICK IN > THE LARGE WINDOW BELOW. PRESS "CRTL" AND THEN "V" AND THE ARTICLE WILL > BE PLACED IN THE WINDOW. IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE, DO SO AND > THEN HIGHLIGHT AND COPY IT AGAIN. NOW EVERYTIME YOU POST THE ARTICLE > > IN > A NEW NEWSGROUP ALL YOU HAVE TO REPEAT "CTRL" AND "V" AND PRESS POST. > > 7)That's it. Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a > different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups, > you see? Now you just have 199 to go!! (Don't worry, each one takes > about 30 seconds, once you get used to it) REMEMBER 200 IS THE MINIMUM. > The more you post the more money you will make. > > AND THAT'S IT!!! THAT'S THE ONLY 3 STEPS THERE IS!!! > > You are now in the mail order business and will start recieving your $1 > envelopes from various people all over the world within days. HINT THE > MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE. You may want > to rent a PO Box eventually because of all the mail. If you wish to > stay anonymous, you can come up with a name, such as "manager" or > "investor". Just make sure all the addresses are CORRECT, please. > > LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORK!!!! > > Out of every 200 postings, let's say I ONLY recieve 5 replies, which is > actually VERY LOW. So I made 5 dollars with my name at #5. Now then, > each person who just sent me $1 makes, say only 200 postings, now with > your name at number 4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not including > yours too. 50 people send you $1 now; thats $50 you just made! Now, > then your new 50 agents post 200 each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3, OR > 10,000 POSTING (50x200). Average return is 500 at $1 each is $500. > They make 200 postings, which is 5,000 returns at $1 each, which is > $5000 dollars! And finally, 5000 people make 200 postings wach with > YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1. YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE YOUR NAME > DROPS OFF THE LIST. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE MAKES 200 POSTINGS ONLY, > AND IF ONLY 5 PERSONS RESPOND!!!!! > When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest > posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, and SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 TO > THE NAMES ON THE LIST, PUTTING YOUR NAME AT 5 AGAIN. And start posting > again. The thing to remember is, do you realize that THOUSANDS OF > PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE JOINING THE INTERNET AND READING THESE > ARTICLES EVERY DAY, JUST LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW!!! So can afford $5 > dollars and see if it really works? I think so..... > People have said, "What if the plan is played out and no one > sends you > the money?" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there > are TONS OF NEW HONEST USERS AND NEW HONEST PEOPLE who are joining the > Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? > Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with THOUSANDS > of those joing the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY > and this WILL WORK, I PROMISE YOU!!! You just have to be honest. Make > sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also, try to keep a list of > everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the mnewsgroups > to make sure everyone is playing fairly. REMEMBER, HONESTY IS THE BEST > POLICY. YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!! GOOD > LUCK TO ALL AND PLEASE PLAY FAIRLY AND YOU WILL REAP THE HUGE REWARDS > FROM THIS, WHICH IS TONS OF EXTRA CASH!!! > **By the way, if you try to decieve people by posting the > > messages with > your name on the list and not sending the money to the people already > > on > the list, you will not get much. Someone I talKed to knew someone who > did that and he only made $150 dollars, and that's AFTER seven or eight > weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1 bills, people added him to their lists, > and in 4-5 weeks, he had over $10K. > THIS IS THE FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE > WEALTH OF THE WORLD WITHOUT COSTING ANYTHING BUT OUR TIME!!! > . > > > > > > > > > > > >
From: jdobrick@nethaus.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: next Academic bundle Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:03:55 GMT Message-ID: <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone please post what is included in the NeXT academic bundle? I know my campus bookstore can get it for me but it doesn't do me much good if it doesn't have the development tools. $5,000 is a bit steep for me right now :-) Regards- Jeremy
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next Academic bundle Date: 6 Dec 1996 21:53:16 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <58am6s$ru7@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net> In article <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net>, jdobrick@nethaus.net wrote: > Could someone please post what is included in the NeXT academic > bundle? I know my campus bookstore can get it for me but it doesn't do > me much good if it doesn't have the development tools. $5,000 is a bit > steep for me right now :-) The Academic Bundle gets you the whole Developer suite. There aren't any differences in software between the Academic Bundle and the $5,000 version, AFAIK. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] source of "Error: Cannot read configuration-file!" message? Date: 7 Dec 1996 06:18:02 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Message-ID: <58b26q$ha2@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Summary: clueless Keywords: help! When I login to my user account, I have an error message in the Console. Does anyone know what program/utility issues this error message: ------------------------------------------------------- Software Version 3.2 (Lightning5S) Error: Cannot read configuration-file! Error: Cannot read configuration-file! ------------------------------------------------------- I *think* this may be related to the problem I'm having with my mo drive, which is no longer removeable. But I don't know. It would help just knowing where this error message comes from. Then I can start to ask why it's coming. By the way, I don't see these messages when I login as root! The only thing I could think of is the permissions on my newly-revised disktab file---but they say publicly readable. So I'm stumped. This is for a NeXTstation TurboColor running NS 3.2. Help, anyone? David Finton finton@cs.wisc.edu
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next Academic bundle Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 13:57:30 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32A8F926.1411@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jdobrick@nethaus.net wrote: > > Could someone please post what is included in the NeXT academic > bundle? I know my campus bookstore can get it for me but it doesn't do > me much good if it doesn't have the development tools. $5,000 is a bit > steep for me right now :-) > > Regards- Jeremy 4.1 Openstep Academic Bundles include : Manuals: Installing and Configuring Openstep Quick start, Power Tips Upgrading to Openstep Release Notes EOF Developers Guide Installing Openstep developer CD-ROM: Openstep 4.1 User for Mach Openstep 4.1 Developer for Mach EOF Version 2.0 is Included! YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: finton@cs.wisc.edu (David J. Finton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] source of "Error: Cannot read configuration-file!" message? Date: 7 Dec 1996 06:00:17 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <58b15h$3k2e@news.doit.wisc.edu> Summary: clueless Keywords: help! When I login to my user account, I have an error message in the Console. Does anyone know what program/utility issues this error message: ------------------------------------------------------- Software Version 3.2 (Lightning5S) Error: Cannot read configuration-file! Error: Cannot read configuration-file! ------------------------------------------------------- I *think* this may be related to the problem I'm having with my mo drive, which is no longer removeable. But I don't know. It would help just knowing where this error message comes from. Then I can start to ask why it's coming. By the way, I don't see these messages when I login as root! The only thing I could think of is the permissions on my newly-revised disktab file---but they say publicly readable. So I'm stumped. This is for a NeXTstation TurboColor running NS 3.2. Help, anyone? David Finton finton@cs.wisc.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:48:25 -0800 Message-ID: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> From: Tien-hsing Hsia <baconbomb@mailmasher.com> Organization: http://www.mailmasher.com pseudonymous service Comments: Please report abuse to abuse@mailmasher.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Mail-To-News-Contact: admin@nym.alias.net Does anyone know how to get an NeXT-generated .eps file onto a Mac so that it looks like PostScript (i.e., smooth) rather than a bitmap? I am trying to get a file to a Mac-based printing shop for a business card, and all they get is a jaggy image, rather than something suitable for hi-res printing. I don't see any options in Preview or Draw to include the fonts with the file, so how do I do this? Alternatively, does anyone know of a NeXT-capable printing company that can get this thing into a format that will work on a Mac? I don't mind paying for this, because I really need it done. Thanks, Thomas McCarthy tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu (no NeXTmail)
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GhostScript DeskJet driver Date: 4 Dec 1996 18:40:37 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <584gj6$19o@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <32A590D7.6710@raleigh.ibm.com> In article <32A590D7.6710@raleigh.ibm.com> Daniel Ashton <jdashton@raleigh.ibm.com> writes: > Some time ago someone posted a package which used GhostScript to set up > an HP DeskJet as a NeXTStep printer. I installed this and had it > working under NS3.1 Intel. Unfortunately, I can't locate the > documentation anywhere on my system. I put together such a package called: GSPrintFilter find it at your nearest friendly next ftp site (ftp.next.peak.org), or feel free to pick up my ongoing development version: http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/Software/OpenStep/Drivers/ Good luck. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Starting NeXT Users Group MD,VA,DC Date: 4 Dec 1996 20:53:29 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <584oc9$o1f@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Hi, I am writing to inform anyone within the Washington DC, Maryland, and Virginia areas that I am forming a NeXT Users group. For more information please write me at gcasamen@eos.hitc.com. It will be open to anyone who want to join. Thanks, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu (c) G. Casamento -- Permission to distribute on MS network denied!! "It is not enough that I should succeed. All others must fail!!" -- G. Kahn
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Nov Quiz - results Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:32:34 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58c9nj$e2a@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, the SSS November quiz has finished. 53 contestants had sent in the correct answer, and the 5 winners are drawn. For the results as well as for the official quiz answer, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Thanks to all of you for participating! Cheers, - Stefan PS: the ***SSS Christmas Quiz*** will start early this week. Don't miss it! -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Jesmond Scerri <jescerri@keyworld.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help on web Page Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 20:55:13 +0100 Organization: ESI, Malta. Message-ID: <32A9CBA0.281D@keyworld.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to construct a home page but have no idea from where to start. Could any one help me. I can progran in a number of languages and are willing to learn another one. Could some one tell me what is the first, second... step to do My e-Mail address is : jescerri@keyworld.net Regards, Jes
From: Jesmond Scerri <jescerri@keyworld.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 20:58:53 +0100 Organization: ESI, Malta. 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From: Jesmond Scerri <jescerri@keyworld.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: test Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 21:02:39 +0100 Organization: ESI, Malta. Message-ID: <32A9CD5E.780D@keyworld.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Text1.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Text1.doc" ÐÏࡱástart. Could any one help me. I can progran in a number of languages and are willing to learn another one. Could some one tell me what is the first, second... step to do My e-Mail address is : jescerri@keyworld.net Regards, Jes ÐÏࡱá â ÿâ €b €b €b €b €b €b €b €b ÿÂ
From: Jesmond Scerri <jescerri@keyworld.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: test Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 21:04:26 +0100 Organization: ESI, Malta. Message-ID: <32A9CDCA.6C35@keyworld.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Text1txt.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Text1txt.txt" I would like to construct a home page but have no idea from where to start. Could any one help me. I can progran in a number of languages and are willing to learn another one. Could some one tell me what is the first, second... step to do My e-Mail address is : jescerri@keyworld.net Regards, Jes
From: Greg Schaaff <greg@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: X-Term Emulator? Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:03:40 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <32A6C82C.5F1F@nxs.physics.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there is an X-Windows emulator for Next. I am running OpenStep 3.3 on Black. Thanks -- ______________________________________________________ T. G. Schaaff greg@nxs.gatech.edu School of Physics Georgia Institute of Technology Phone: (404) 894-6814 837 State St. FAX: (404) 894-9958 Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0430 http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~ts84/
From: "Chang Song" <song@surfshop.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cannot mail with PPP connection Date: 7 Dec 1996 22:30:16 GMT Message-ID: <01bbe4b8$5c8a3f20$5eab48a6@junghwa.third-wave.com> Hi. I used to send mails from my home NeXT with ppp connection. But somehow I cannot seem to send mails anymore. I haven't change any configuration. Is it possible to set Mail.app to use a ceratin SMTP/POP server instead of using sendmail? In Mail.app, I can only type in entire sendmail path. Any idea? ---------- Chang Song Concurrent Technologies Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612071549.HAA12383@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 10:48:52 -0500 Subject: Re: next Academic bundle Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Original Date: 6 Dec 1996 21:53:16 -0500 > In article <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net>, > jdobrick@nethaus.net wrote: > > > Could someone please post what is included in the NeXT academic > > bundle? I know my campus bookstore can get it for me but it > > doesn't do me much good if it doesn't have the development tools. > > $5,000 is a bit steep for me right now :-) > > The Academic Bundle gets you the whole Developer suite. There > aren't any differences in software between the Academic Bundle and > the $5,000 version, AFAIK. Well, except the obvious difference, with the academic bundle you can't develop anything that would earn you any money. Well, you can _develop_ things that would earn you money, you just can't sell them, so they never reach their potential as actually being able to make you money. You get the idea... TjL ps -- you might have known this already, I mention it merely for the sake of those who don't -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 15:12:39 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32A667C3.2324@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Tien-hsing Hsia <baconbomb@mailmasher.com> Tien-hsing Hsia wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get an NeXT-generated .eps file onto a Mac so that it > looks like PostScript (i.e., smooth) rather than a bitmap? > > I am trying to get a file to a Mac-based printing shop for a business card, > and all they get is a jaggy image, rather than something suitable for hi-res > printing. I don't see any options in Preview or Draw to include the fonts with > the file, so how do I do this? > > Alternatively, does anyone know of a NeXT-capable printing company that can > get this thing into a format that will work on a Mac? I don't mind paying for > this, because I really need it done. > > Thanks, > > Thomas McCarthy > tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu (no NeXTmail) In my case, to convert NeXT-generated .eps file, I using the TIFFandEPS.app. It can convert NeXT-generated .eps file to tiff image with more than 300 dpi. It's simple and I have a very good quality when I printing on the Mac. ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Developer/objc/appkit/TIFFandEPS.NIHS.bs.tar.gz YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News written by Korean)
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next Academic bundle Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:01:35 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec8.210135.26842@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <199612071549.HAA12383@PEAK.ORG> In article <199612071549.HAA12383@PEAK.ORG> Timothy J Luoma writes: > > In article <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net>, > > jdobrick@nethaus.net wrote: > > > > > Could someone please post what is included in the NeXT academic > > > bundle? I know my campus bookstore can get it for me but it > > > doesn't do me much good if it doesn't have the development tools. > > > $5,000 is a bit steep for me right now :-) > > Well, except the obvious difference, with the academic bundle you > can't develop anything that would earn you any money. Well, you can > _develop_ things that would earn you money, you just can't sell > them, so they never reach their potential as actually being able to > make you money. Well, Tim, how does that differ from the situation with the full price version :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: "sullivan" <sullivan@accesscomm.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEC PROSPEED 380 Date: 8 Dec 1996 23:16:31 GMT Organization: Access Communications, Inc. ( Houston, TX ) Message-ID: <01bbe556$1c22a000$266abdcc@sullivan.accesscomm.net> ANY one know how to get into the setup fpr this computer i tried all the standard////////////////?????????????????
From: lb19@cornell.edu (Larry Blume) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Emacs.app Date: 9 Dec 1996 02:49:06 GMT Organization: Cornell University Sender: lb19@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <58fun2$a50@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII All the recent versions of Emacs.app crash on my 4.0 Intel box when called from a Terminal window without a file name (or on a C-x C-f when called with a file). I'd like to recompile the source, but I can't find it in any of the standard spots. Can someone give me a pointer to the source? Anyone else seen this problem? Thanks, --Larry Blume
From: gabriele@clotho.com (Gabriele R. Fariello) Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.modules,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Installing Perl Modules on NeXT Cube Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:41:16 -0500 Organization: Clotho Internet Consulting Message-ID: <gabriele-ya023380000812962241160001@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am having difficulty installing libwww-perl-5.05 (tried 5.04 and 5.03 also) and libnet 1.01 on a NeXT Cube running Mach 3.3. I just upgraded to Perl5.003 from Perl5.002 as I had done on other machines before (not NeXTStep machines though). The Perl5.003 install seemed to go over well, so I thought it would be nice to have the current version of LWP and NET running there too. Well, `perl Makefile.PL` runs OK on both sets of modules, but running `make` afterwards I get a "sh: PID Memory Fault" message and the `make` dies. If I edit the Makefile, so that it thinks it's in bash instead, do a "setenv $SHELL /usr/local/bin/bash" and run bash, I get numerous "sh: PID Memory Fault" though it appears as though only while trying to make the man pages, but the `make` exits cleanly (I don't know where it is using sh instead of bash), unfortunately, the `make test` dies before anything happens, and well, no more needs to be said about the `make install` as it is useless. Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be going on? It seemed to work fine under perl5.002 with LWP4.8x - not sure of the previous version of LWP, but it was an older one. Libnet was never properly installed before this on the machine. ending output for make -d for libwww-perl.5.05 looks like this in sh: [...] TIME(lib/URI/URL/wais.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:13 1996 doname(lib/URI/URL/webster.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/URI/URL/webster.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:14 1996 doname(lib/URI/URL/whois.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/URI/URL/whois.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:14 1996 doname(lib/WWW/RobotRules.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/WWW/RobotRules.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:16 1996 doname(lib/WWW/RobotRules/AnyDBM_File.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lib/WWW/RobotRules/AnyDBM_File.pm)=Nov 25 09:01:18 1996 doname(lwpcook.pod, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(lwpcook.pod)=Nov 25 09:00:28 1996 pm_to_blib (Nonexistent) due to lib/LWP/UserAgent.pm (Dec 4 09:24:30 1996) sh: 2213 Memory fault *** Exit 139 rmTarget: okdel=1, p=pm_to_blib Stop. ending output for make -d for libnet1.01 looks like this in sh: [...] TIME(Net/Telnet.pm)=Sep 5 01:54:05 1996 doname(Net/Time.pm, 4) Looking for Single suffix rule. TIME(Net/Time.pm)=Sep 5 01:54:05 1996 pm_to_blib (Nonexistent) due to Net/Cmd.pm (Sep 5 01:54:06 1996) sh: 2153 Memory fault *** Exit 139 rmTarget: okdel=1, p=pm_to_blib Stop. It seems to like to choak on pm_to_blib line, but I do not know its significance. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Gabriele P.S. Anyone have a pre-compiled binary of perl5.003, LWP, libnet, etc. etc. for the NexT?
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next Academic bundle Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 9 Dec 1996 07:25:12 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Message-ID: <58geso$hbj@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <32a8b3bf.187056007@news.nethaus.net> jdobrick@nethaus.net wrote: : Could someone please post what is included in the NeXT academic : bundle? I know my campus bookstore can get it for me but it doesn't do : me much good if it doesn't have the development tools. $5,000 is a bit : steep for me right now :-) Development tools are included. Just that you can't sell whatever you developed under Academic Bundle.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199612091342.IAA04549@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 96 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: Re: next Academic bundle Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Original Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:01:35 GMT > Well, Tim, how does that differ from the situation with the full > price version :-). You pay less for the Academic tools ;-) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: tmccarth@usc.edu (Thomas McCarthy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 10 Dec 1996 01:49:20 GMT Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: tmccarth@comserv-e-06.usc.edu Message-ID: <58ifj0$r0d@usc.edu> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> <32A667C3.2324@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <586vee$qn3@sail.leverkusen.netsurf.de> In-Reply-To: <586vee$qn3@sail.leverkusen.netsurf.de> On 12/05/96, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: > >You can create a ps.file, by using the Print-Panel. Use "save" instead of "print" >and the option "Chosen Printer / Include Fonts". A Postscript-File is created, which >can be printed on the chosen Printer. That right there may be what I was looking for; I'll give it a try, thanks! >I think OneVision is the best Publishing Programm ever written for NeXTStep. If it weren't so expensive, it might be an option... >------------------------------------------------ > >Jan Ulrich Hasecke >Goldstr. 8 >D-42697 Solingen >Germany > >Tel.: ++49-212-33 67 72 >Fax.: ++49-212-2 33 14 83 > >email: JanUlrich.Hasecke@Leverkusen.Netsurf.de >(NeXTMail o.k / MIME o.k) > >http://www.koeln.netsurf.de/~JanUlrich.Hasecke/ > >----------------------------------------------- > -- Tom --- Thomas McCarthy tmccarth@usc.edu (NeXTmail and MIME) tmccarth@afs2000a.usc.edu (ASCII only) (213) 740-5692
From: lynne@lighthouse.com (Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BUG in OpenWrite-Response from Lighthouse Design Date: 9 Dec 1996 23:46:19 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <58i8cb$drn@nntp1.best.com> Hi all, Well, here is the definitive on this issue: YES, we have just identified a bug in OpenWrite that can POTENTIALLY delete your home directory. We have finally been able to nail down a specific recipe for repeating this problem and it has just been fixed. We anticipate a new release available to all OpenWrite 2.x users will be available by the middle of next week-check our ftp site ftp://ftp.lighthouse.com some time after Wednesday. In the mean time, here is WHAT *NOT* TO DO: - Do NOT rename chapters after importing them into a book. Rename your file BEFORE importing into the book. Regards, Lynne. -- Lynne Fitzpatrick Angeloro Manager Education & Services Lighthouse Design, Ltd. a Sun Microsystems, Inc. Business 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, CA 94403-2534
From: clientserver@msn.com (Richard Goode) Subject: WebObjects/ EOF/ Obj - C Date: 10 Dec 96 05:18:40 -0800 Message-ID: <00001c41+00000e46@msn.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Client/Server Resources has cutting edge opportunities in the Washington DC Metro Area for: NeXTStep Developers Responsibilities include design and development of the common object model. Work with other project teams to solidify the design of the common object model through the following development cycles: Requirement Analysis Functional Design Technical Design Construction Application Testing Qualifications: Application of OO design techniques and methodologies 3+ yrs C++ and/or Objective C programming experience 1+ yr UNIX Operating System experience - Sun Solaris 2.5 is ideal NeXTStep, OpenStep Solaris, and Windows NT Operating System experience a plus Knowledge of major RDBMS (Sybase) Enterprise Objects Modeler (EOModeler), Enterprise Objects Framework* 2.0/3.0(EOF*), WebObjects 3.0* e-mail your resume TODAY! clientserver@msn.com * "Perhaps the heart of WebObjects is Enterprise Objects Framework (EOF). The EOF is used to manipulate data as it passes between your database, your Enterprise Objects, and the HTML interface in your WebObjects application. The framework provides a valuable layer of abstraction for business logic. Your code talks to the framework, so that an application’s interface or backend database can be changed without having to alter business logic. WebObjects has a very open architecture that is becoming even more open and is suitable for any large or sophisticated Web site." - Joshua Kerievsky < http://www.next.com > e-mail your resume TODAY!!! ====> clientserver@msn.com Fax=====> (301) 983-4728 Snail mail to: Client/Server Resources P.O. Box 61351 Potomac, Maryland 20859-1351 Tel: (301) 983-6942 Fax: (301) 983-4728 e-mail: clientserver@msn.com
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS December Quiz Date: 10 Dec 1996 12:19:30 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58jkgi$ksu@peng.ping.at> The SSS Christmas Quiz has started >>> now <<< ! For November results as well as the new December quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Hint: in case you **didn't** have to launch your favorite image manipulation app in order to answer the November question, you definitely **will** have to in order to answer the new question! As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer license (worth upto US$ 99), or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: "Neil Miller" <neilm@wibble.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Device Drivers for 3.1 Nextstep Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:38:26 GMT Message-ID: <01bbe6c0$f2e16e30$6e0b989e@wibble> Hi Anyone know these devices have drivers I can use in 3.1 Nextstep. NE2000 compatible Ethernet cards Soundblaster Pro or 16. Thanks Neil.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Message-ID: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch Date: 11 Dec 96 11:12:41 MET Well, my last inquiry remained unanswered. Some of you use the NeXT supplied editor, supposedly included in the web objects bundle. But where is the editor? Is it in the freely available 2.0 version or only in the 3.0 version? What other options do I have for NS3.3 or OS4.x? (OpenWrite can't handle the tables [yet] - so it and may other simple editors are of no use.) Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT,MIME mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: lasala@u.washington.edu (Steve LaSala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: need help with modem software Date: 11 Dec 1996 17:54:23 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Sender: steve@icis.washington.edu (Steve LaSala) Message-ID: <58msgf$6ud@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <5717kc$4am@pauli.cnam.fr> NNTP-Posting-User: lasala I have an old NeXT machine (original cube, vintage ~1990), that I'm trying to set up at home to work remotely. This is one of those typical university situations where there is no money and your work with the hardware you have. The modem available is a US Robotics Sportster 14,400. Unfortunately, all the documentation that came with it assumes you are attaching to a PC. There is a 9-pin port on the back of the cube with an icon that might be a modem (or a printer?), or do I just go to a vanilla serial port. Any special cabling needs I should be aware of? Most important, I'm not sure what kind of software I should be looking for to drive the modem. Is there any chance of getting the machine to behave like an X-term, or should I be happy with a VT100 window? What's my best bet and where can I get it? Many thanks for any insights. Steve LaSala Seattle, WA steve@icis.washington.edu
From: "Kenneth R. Fleming" <ken@suite.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Job Offer Date: 11 Dec 1996 18:23:12 GMT Organization: SuiteSoftware Message-ID: <01bbe791$1d5b0880$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com> OpenStep developer wanted. InterfaceBuilder,ProjectBuilder, DO/PDO experience C++ and Java would be a plus. System programming interests. SuiteSoftware is building tools to manage large scale CORBA and OpenStep objects. email ken@suite.com or fax 714-978-1840
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.58ncfi$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Control: cancel <58ncfi$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <58ncfi$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:26:52 GMT Sender: invest@goldbergservices.com ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
From: john@getafix.demon.co.uk (John Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing text to a non PS printer Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:35:26 GMT Message-ID: <850347326.13675.0@getafix.demon.co.uk> Q: Is there a way to send plain text files to a nextwork printer that is not a Postscript printer. The situation is I have a simple Inkjet pinter cpnnected to the network my next is own. All I want to print is program listing, hence there is no real nead to bother with postscript. Is there a program out there, or a mechanism that would alow me to send the file directly to the printer. I belive lpr does not work as it expects to be conected to a PS printer. Thanks for the help Regards John shirlaw
Control: cancel <58nc2g$bv1u@usenet1w.prodigy.net> From: Subscribe2@Juno.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <58nc2g$bv1u@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <Can_58nc2g$bv1u@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 22:20:05 GMT Cancelled - doesn't fit Prodigy(r) "Terms of Use" Questions to admin@prodigy.com
From: schulhof@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: test Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:53:08 Message-ID: <58noi0$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> this is only a test, john do you see this.
From: Someone <Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU! Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:57:37 PST Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Message-ID: <1212199602573784596767225377Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> I hope that you know your GOD loves you, no matter what GOD you believe in. Thank your GOD for life and ask your GOD to let you live as your GOD would want you to. When we look closely at GOD we begin to realize that we all believe in the same GOD, we may see GOD in different ways, but GOD will always be GOD. There can only be one GOD, and that one GOD loves us all, and wants nothing but the best for us. If your in doubt, just remember GOD works in mysterious ways, there is a reason for everything... God thank you. Someone
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From: Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com (Jim Brownfield) Newsgroups: comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GODSPAM (was: Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU!) Date: 12 Dec 1996 17:06:37 GMT Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc. Message-ID: <58pe2t$jn6@radical1.radical.com> References: <1212199601415379736378423919Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> Cc: Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com God uses GTE Internet services! Bill Gates must be pissed! I wonder if Gates will ask the Feds to go after GTE for unfair business practices. -- Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com) NeXTmail/MIME accepted Radical System Solutions, Inc. (http://www.radical.com/) System/Network/Database Design, Development, Consulting rad i cal \'rad-i-kel\ n -- a basic principle: FOUNDATION
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:43:32 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <57v82r$h3u@plains.nodak.edu> <gmd7A0G00UhW027Mx3@andrew.cmu.edu> <58hr04$hdk@castor.cca.rockwell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this question asked before and I see vauge replies. What features make it great? What are the specific advantages? Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: schulhof@aol.com Date: 12 Dec 1996 14:00:09 EST Control: cancel <58noi0$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <58noi0$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.58noi0$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was test
Message-ID: <32B1D641.25A1@nmaa.org> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:18:41 -0800 From: Daniel Fahey <dansources@nmaa.org> Organization: DanSources Technical Services Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.,announce,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Corba and Next Developers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HELLO CORBA and NEXT Developers: We are seeking a bunch of contract C++, Corba, Object Oriented and OpenStep Developers for a large and long telecommunications program located in the Washington, DC. area. Our client is developing most of their systems in OpenStep and merging the legacy systems with C++ and CORBA compliance. There are Senior to Junior Developer positions with as little as one year NEXT or CORBA experience. Training is available for those who need to upgrade to OpenStep. If you are interested, please email your resume. The best way to send is to Attach as a Word or Wordperfect file, or just Paste it to the Email. If your know any friends please pass this information to them. We have a excellent team of people and the customer is cool to work with. This project is hot and we need good people. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely, Dan Fahey
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IBM 6x86 CPU ?? Date: 13 Dec 96 07:57:05 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: world Message-ID: <SHESS.96Dec13075705@slave.one.net> References: <58rf43$q26@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> In-reply-to: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de's message of 13 Dec 1996 11:36:35 GMT In article <58rf43$q26@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) writes: i plan buying an intel machine (for x-mas ;-) to run NeXTSTEP on it. Now I see that machines with an IBM 6x86 CPU are much cheaper than those with an intel Pentium. From NeXTanswers I also see that NS seems to run on a Cyrix 6x86. Just FYI, a couple days (perhaps a week) ago someone posted that they'd built a system with a Tyan motherboard and a Cyrix CPU, and it wouldn't boot NeXTSTEP, though it would boot _OpenStep_. They also mentioned that they tried swapping in a Pentium and it worked. That _might_ not mean anything, but I'd make sure you have a clear (and cheap!) return policy with your vendor, just in case. The AMD site claims that NeXTSTEP runs on the AMD chips. That only gets you to 133Mhz "P-rating", though from what I've heard it does somewhat better on 32-bit code (C't magazine says that for NT, it's somewhat like having a P100 FPU with a P166 integer unit). Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: Jeremy G Mereness <jeremym+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with Next 17" Color Screens Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:08:11 -0500 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0mgTrv200V4107QXo0@andrew.cmu.edu> I have some Next 17" Color monitors in service, and some of them are starting to die. Does anyone service or rebuild them? What kind of hardware/picture-tubes are in these units? Thanks in Advance! |Jeremy Mereness |Facilities Technical Manager |Institute for Technology and Management, NYC |Graduate School of Industrial Administration |Carnegie Mellon University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- jeremym@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/jeremym/home.html
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu Sender: <pather@hotmail.com> Date: 14 Dec 1996 04:34:21 EST Control: cancel <01bbe983$633dc240$50c89f88@panther> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bbe983$633dc240$50c89f88@panther> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.01bbe983$633dc240$50c89f88@panther> MMF cancelled by dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu original subject was $$$Make Money Fast$$$
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 14 Dec 1996 05:57:07 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: : If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they : make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? : Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the : Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this : question asked before and I see vauge replies. : What features make it great? : What are the specific advantages? For the UI: NeXTStep and Openstep are very stable. They rarely crash. But I've heard that the cheap O/S 2 Warp is just as stable. And so is MS's Windows NT. The NeXT enviroment is object oriented. So it's easy to write softwares, or custom applications. And it's easy to add more or new functions to an existing app. For the OS: If I'm not wrong, Mach is a some form of a revision of Unix. Unix, again, is more stable and powerful than DOS. And Mach is just a Unix without bugs. I am certain on the UI part but not so sure on the OS part. Just from experince ( I've used DOS, Amiga OS, Mac's System 7, Solaris and Windows, all with good amount of time ), I can tell you this for sure: MS Window95 sucks. Even the Amiga has a better kernel and interface. Hope this helps.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 14 Dec 1996 08:38:50 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they >: make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? >: Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the >: Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this >: question asked before and I see vauge replies. >: What features make it great? >: What are the specific advantages? > Apart from the superior UI and developer's tools Mach is a full UNIX operating system that is very stable under heavy load. Many large corporations use it for mission critical applications, especially in the financial sector where more than 1000 users on a network is not uncommon. Under those kinds of conditions NT just doesn't cut it. Once you have used Nextstep/Openstep you soon realize Win95 is for kids........
From: jobs@globalobjects.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: 14 Dec 1996 08:30:03 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> References: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch wrote: > Well, my last inquiry remained unanswered. > Some of you use the NeXT supplied editor, supposedly included > in the web objects bundle. > > But where is the editor? Is it in the freely available 2.0 > version or only in the 3.0 version? You need WO Pro or better. 'Taint free, McGee. > What other options do I have for NS3.3 or OS4.x? > (OpenWrite can't handle the tables [yet] - so it and may > other simple editors are of no use.) A few options come to mind. Edit.app isn't bad if you don't mind typing HTML yourself. But that's tedious. So, on to the fun ones. There are two apps in beta; on I _think_ will be free, the other will be a commercial app. The potentially free on is called WebUp.app and is truly as WYSIWYG HTML editor. It's a little strange, but it works OK as far as I've tested it. It is by John Stanhope. The commercial app, LatinByrd, converts NeXT RTF to HTML and does a reasonably good job of it. That one's by Stefan Schnieder. There's a little blurb about it on his web page: http://members.ping.at/stefan/ Both apps are worth checking out, but I don't think either one is in public distribution yet. Still, they do both seem worth using...so I hope they'll be ready soon! They'll probably fit your needs reasonably well, I suspect. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: Ones-And-Zeros@Prodigy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ! MASS POST Was Here (vhmejk) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 12:31:46 GMT Organization: Ones And Zeros, Corp. Message-ID: <58u6nj$7a1m@usenet1w.prodigy.net> MASS POST, by Ones And Zeros, will let you post to as many newsgroups as you want! To find out more about this exciting new program, visit a business newsgroup. (This ad was sent to thousands of newsgroups!) (dlbvls)
From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0 for NeXTSTEP Date: 12 Dec 1996 22:51:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <58q29p$544$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> (Note, this message was posted to comp.sys.next.announce a while back, but never showed up...) C-Kermit 6.0 is a major new release of C-Kermit communications software for NeXTSTP, as well as for all other known varieties of UNIX (hundreds of them), plus VMS, QNX, OS-9, Plan 9, BeOS, AOS/VS, and other platforms. It replaces C-Kermit 5A(190) of October 1994. All of the new features of C-Kermit 6.0 -- as well as all those added in all releases since 5A(188) -- are completely documented in the new revised and expanded second edition of the Digital Press book, "Using C-Kermit", just back from the printer and available now. C-Kermit is a combined serial and network communication software package offering terminal connection, file transfer, character-set translation, and automation through its powerful cross-platform script programming language, which is available not only on all the platforms listed above but also on OS/2, Windows 95 and NT, and (to the degree that MS-DOS and C-Kermit are compatible, which is significant) also on DOS and Windows 3.x. The major new features of C-Kermit 6.0 include: SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS o Dialing - Major advancements in C-Kermit's dialing capalities o Modems - A major overhaul of C-Kermit's modem support o Speeds - more and higher speeds allowed in many versions o New Ability to answer incoming calls o Automatic adjustment of flow control NETWORKS o New ability to accept incoming TCP/IP connections (UNIX and VMS only) o New Rlogin client (privileged in UNIX and VMS) o New network directory, like dialing directory but for network connections o New SET TELNET controls (binary mode, etc) o New SET TCP controls (buffer sizes, keepalive, "linger", etc) o New command-line option "-J" makes C-Kermit "be like Telnet" o X.25 support updated for Solaris / SunLink 8.00 and 9.00. FILE TRANSFER o Autodownload (automatic RECEIVE while in CONNECT mode) (VMS and UNIX) o Autoupload (and more) while in CONNECT mode (VMS and UNIX) o REGET (crash recovery, like RESEND, but for downloading from a server) o Peer recognition for automatically switching into binary mode o Dynamic packet timeouts and other improved error recovery procedures o Lots of useful info added to the fullscreen file transfer display o Quick selection of transfer settings with FAST, CAUTIOUS, ROBUST commands o New command-line option -Q to select fast file transfer o ADD SEND-LIST (build up a list of files to send) o SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY (make all downloads go to same place) o Text-file record format selection o In the UNIX version, built-in support for external protocols (ZMODEM, etc) CLIENT/SERVER o SET SERVER LOGIN (authentication for incoming connections) o Redirection of REMOTE command results (to file, printer, or pipe) o SET SERVER GET-PATH (search path for GET requests) SCRIPT PROGRAMMING o New block structure for script programs - no more commas and dashes! o Local (automatic) variables for macros and command files o New SWITCH statement, as in C o Lots of other new commands and features o Many new variables and functions o Automatic evaluation of arithmetic expressions in many contexts GENERAL o Year-2000 compatibility o Ability to become a fully transparent 8-bit link between 2 end systems o More and better messages and help text o Default prompt shows current directory o NOPUSH available at runtime to disable escape to shell o Many new file management features o Improved speed & responsiveness o Bugs fixed NEW PLATFORMS: o BeBox BeOS DR-7 o Bell Research UNIX v10 o Digital UNIX 3.2 and 4.0 o HP-UX 10.10, 10.20, and 10.30 o IBM AIX 4.1 and 4.2 o NeXTSTEP 3.3 o NCR SVR4 MPRAS 2.xx o Plan 9 from Bell Labs o SCO OpenServer R5.0 o SCO UnixWare 2.x o Sequent DYNIX/ptx 4.1 o Siemens/Nixdorf SINIX 5.42 o Silicon Graphics IRIX 6.0 o Sun Solaris 2.5 and 2.5.1 DIALING IMPROVEMENTS: o Intelligent dialing directory: . Can consist of multiple distributed files . Travels well: understands country codes, area codes, PBXs, etc. . Unlimited alternative entries for same service with "cheapest-first" dialing o Automatic redial o Multistage dialing o Credit-card dialing o Dialing numeric and alphanumeric pagers o Incoming modem calls (ANSWER command) o Lots of new built-in modem types o Flexible configuration of additional modem types Space prohibits description of all the other new features, but you can get a detailed overview on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html HOW TO GET IT C-Kermit 6.0 and the second edition of "Using C-Kermit" are available now by mail order. The C-Kermit software is also available via anonymous ftp. If you have a Web browswer, visit the aforementioned URL for easy navigation. Or use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, read the READ.ME file, and take it from there. Or contact the Kermit Project by email, phone, or post: E-mail: kermit-orders@columbia.edu Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Post: The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA If you have any problems getting or using the new version, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. C-Kermit 6.0 has been built and tested on NeXT workstations with NeXTSTEP 3.1 and 3.3. Binaries are needed for NeXTSTEP/486 -- if you can furnish one, please contact me. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University
From: Nicholas Applegate <napplegate@mail.yvv.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GZIP -- Where to get for NeXTStep 3.0 and it's correct usage? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:55:22 -0500 Organization: Hmmm... Message-ID: <32B2B1CA.6B18@mail.yvv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I've a little mono slab that I want to put a correct version of GZIP and GUNZIP on it. I've poked around peak and peanuts ftp sites but can't seem to find it. Could someone tell me where it's located? I'd like to b able to download some app's and unzip 'em. Also, I belive the correct usage of GUNZIP is: gunzip -d coolapp.gz Is this correct? ANY info, comments, flames are welcome! Thanks! Nick A.
From: Ron Wood <rfw@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: need help with modem software Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:13:03 +0000 Organization: Earthlink Network Message-ID: <32B020FF.167EB0E7@earthlink.net> References: <5717kc$4am@pauli.cnam.fr> <58msgf$6ud@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve LaSala wrote: > > I have an old NeXT machine (original cube, vintage ~1990), that > I'm trying to set up at home to work remotely. This is one of those > typical university situations where there is no money and your work with > the hardware you have. > > The modem available is a US Robotics Sportster 14,400. > Unfortunately, all the documentation that came with it assumes you are > attaching to a PC. > > There is a 9-pin port on the back of the cube with an icon that > might be a modem (or a printer?), or do I just go to a vanilla serial > port. Any special cabling needs I should be aware of? > Unfortunately, you have to make your own modem cable; the pinouts are in the sysadmin books in the online help library. Also look at the zs man pages for more info concerning modems. It's involved, but not difficult. Reputedly, a Macintosh modem cable will work, but since there's no hardware flow control lines in the cable, the top speed you can use will be 9600 baud; the top modem speed with a "roll-your-own" cable will be only be 38.4K. > Most important, I'm not sure what kind of software I should be > looking for to drive the modem. Is there any chance of getting the > machine to behave like an X-term, or should I be happy with a VT100 > window? What's my best bet and where can I get it? > NS comes with both tip and cu, which work fine for simple connections, there are slip and ppp clients available on the net, for point-to-point connections. To run the ppp programs (not slip) you should be running NS 3.x on your cube; they don't seem to work with NS 2.x; the slip programs do, though. Look at anonymous ftp on bigtop.bville.com for the slip or ppp programs. I also have kermit there, which, for a generic terminal program, works just fine. To use the NeXT as an xterm, you should install co-Xist, or some other X-window package; be advised, these are commercial packages and may not be cheap. I use co-Xist, and it works fine. Many thanks for any insights. > > Steve LaSala > Seattle, WA > > steve@icis.washington.edu
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: 14 Dec 1996 16:10:55 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Message-ID: <58ujig$8no@peng.ping.at> References: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> In-Reply-To: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> >What other options do I have for NS3.3 or OS4.x? >(OpenWrite can't handle the tables [yet] - so it and may other simple editors are >of no use.) > >Robert LatinByrd. It's a converter from RTFD to HTMLD. LatinByrd is still in the works. Might be released in January. More info on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/ - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: jehu@jehu.async.vt.edu (john stanhope) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: 14 Dec 1996 18:32:33 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: world Message-ID: <58urs1$q24@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> In article <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> jobs@globalobjects.com writes: ->frank@ifi.unibas.ch wrote: -> ->There are two apps in beta; on I _think_ will be free, the ->other will be a commercial app. The potentially free on is ->called WebUp.app and is truly as WYSIWYG HTML editor. It's a ->little strange, but it works OK as far as I've tested it. It ->is by John Stanhope. The commercial app, LatinByrd, converts ^ me I have not worked on this for a while since no one that picked up a copy responded to my request for feedback. I figured no one really cared for the app so I figured why waste more time fiddling with it when I should be writing a thesis. If enough people are interested I will put in a place it can be downloaded from, however I probaly won't do any work on it unless there is some interest in the form of comments, requests, or questions. ->NeXT RTF to HTML and does a reasonably good job of it. That ->one's by Stefan Schnieder. There's a little blurb about it ->on his web page: -> ->http://members.ping.at/stefan/ -> ->Both apps are worth checking out, but I don't think either one ->is in public distribution yet. Still, they do both seem worth ->using...so I hope they'll be ready soon! They'll probably fit ->your needs reasonably well, I suspect. -> -- John Stanhope jehu@vt.edu
From: woo@opus.bloomco.ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Objective-C byte codes? Date: 14 Dec 1996 19:15:43 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Distribution: world Message-ID: <58uucv$dei@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> I'm puzzled why the world is going JAVA crazy. I'm fumbling around with jdk v1.2 and find it amazingly buggy. The libraries, compiler, AND virtual machine have been thrown together very quickly compared with NeXTstep or OpenStep which have years of development behind them. They do almost exactly the same things(Java looks a lot like Objective C except for the funny syntax) except for Java emitting byte code and using a virtual machine (emulator) on all platforms. Would it be possible to have Objective-C have an option for emitting either java byte-codes with the mapping of Connector <-> View, etc.? Or perhaps even have Objective-C emit codes that NeXT write a "virtual machine" for that runs on windows, macs, unix, etc. and has the OpenStep library in byte-code form or native form on those machines? It seems that the reliability and stability of NeXTStep or OpenStep compared to the current status of Java would give some opportunity to offer a better alternative! ----- J. W. Wooten <jwooten@korrnet.org> http://sacam.oren.ortn.edu/~wooten Internet Consultant NeXTmail preferred, MIME is welcome Please finger woo@160.91.216.2 for PGP public key
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From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: 14 Dec 1996 20:34:21 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <58v30d$g1j@news.xmission.com> References: <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> <58urs1$q24@solaris.cc.vt.edu> jehu@jehu.async.vt.edu (john stanhope) wrote: > In article <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> don@globalobjects.com writes: > ->frank@ifi.unibas.ch wrote: > -> > ->There are two apps in beta; one I _think_ will be free, the > ->other will be a commercial app. The potentially free on is > ->called WebUp.app and is truly as WYSIWYG HTML editor. It's a > ->little strange, but it works OK as far as I've tested it. It > ->is by John Stanhope. The commercial app, LatinByrd, converts > ^ me > > I have not worked on this for a while since no one that picked up a > copy responded to my request for feedback. > [...]. If enough people are interested > I will put in a place it can be downloaded from, however I probaly > won't do any work on it unless there is some interest in the form > of comments, requests, or questions. Sorry! I've been too busy to be able to really give a lot of useful feedback...but I will publically state that it is an app that is certainly worth finishing! Definitely make it available, at least for those who want something other than Edit to play with. As more people use it, the chances of you getting good feedback will go up... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: dg131@ciao.cc.columbia.edu (Douglas Geers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help? I'm trying to upgrade... Date: 14 Dec 1996 20:23:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <58v2cj$jb1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Hi. I have experience as a user of Next machines, but haven't done much system work on them. Now a acquaintance of mine wants me to upgrade his machine for him: Add a SCSI HD, add RAM, and (if possible) CPU upgrade. GENERAL INFO: His machine is an 030 cube which he purchased circa 1989, I believe. The only alterations he has made to the system is the addition of one SCSI disk, a 2-gig one. OK, now for my questions: HARD DISK: He has already purchased a 4 gig disk to add (he is doing music composition on the machine and needs alot of space.) I tried to add this using the Next sys admin GUI tools, but I couldn't figure out how to make it format the disk as 2 2-gig disks (since as far as I know that's the most the OS will recognize.) Any advice? RAM: He only has the factory RAM--Is this 8 meg or 16? Anyway, I think the machine will go up to 32meg--is this correct? What kind of SIMMS do I need to buy? Are there any tricky things I should know about installing them? I want to his machine to have the maximum amount of RAM. Also, he is complaining about his soundediting program, Edsnd, being awfully slow. Can I upgrade the DSP RAM?? If so, what do I need & what is the maximum amount of RAM for that? CPU: Is it possible to do a CPU upgrade for an old cube? Where do I go to get more info? What will I have to pay? How much faster will it go? Thank you all incredibly for any and all advice/help you can give me, and feel free to mail replies directly to me at geersde@woof.music.columbia. edu. --Doug Geers
From: "Yash L. Khemani" <khemani@plexstar.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: is there a faq? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:12:13 -0500 Organization: Plexstar, Inc. Message-ID: <32B3425D.75EF@plexstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi folks, i'm trying to find out about the nextstep os to see if it is something that i might want to use. i didn't see a faq...is there one? question, while i'm here...someone's given me nextstep 3.1. what is different between it and nextstep 3.3 (i think that's the latest release?) and openstep 4.1? thanks! yash -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Yash L. Khemani | E-Mail: khemani@plexstar.com | | Plexstar, Inc., Reston, VA | WWW: http://www.plexstar.com | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:39:06 -0800 Organization: internet1 Internet News Site Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32B364CA.2539@internet1.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > >: If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they > >: make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? > >: Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the > >: Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this > >: question asked before and I see vauge replies. > >: What features make it great? > >: What are the specific advantages? > > > > Apart from the superior UI and developer's tools Mach is a full UNIX > operating system that is very stable under heavy load. Many large > corporations use it for mission critical applications, especially in the > financial sector where more than 1000 users on a network is not uncommon. > Under those kinds of conditions NT just doesn't cut it. > > Once you have used Nextstep/Openstep you soon realize Win95 is for > kids........ > > ------------ If I remember correctly, it supports multiprocessing as well. So I say to the above comments: Amen, Brother... Jeffery Hugh Kavanaugh
From: "Yash L. Khemani" <khemani@plexstar.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:57:36 -0500 Organization: Plexstar, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > >: If you ask most people like myself, what Next does. They will say they > >: make the Next Operating system, and the Nextstep/Openstep environment? > >: Well what makes the Mach operating system so great? What makes the > >: Nextstep/Openstep so great? Please be specific, I have seen this > >: question asked before and I see vauge replies. > >: What features make it great? > >: What are the specific advantages? > > > > Apart from the superior UI and developer's tools Mach is a full UNIX > operating system that is very stable under heavy load. Many large > corporations use it for mission critical applications, especially in the > financial sector where more than 1000 users on a network is not uncommon. > Under those kinds of conditions NT just doesn't cut it. > > Once you have used Nextstep/Openstep you soon realize Win95 is for > kids........ can you tell me why i might consider it over another flavor of unix? i currently use solaris 2.5 for sparc at work. i've played with solaris 2.5 for x86 and linux in the past, but there is a larger variety and better offering of various software for win95, and so i am using that. it is clear from looking at the history of ibm's os/2 that what makes or breaks an operating system is not how powerful it is, but what software is available for it (similar story with what has happened to the machitosh). so what sort of software is available for nextstep? yash -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Yash L. Khemani | E-Mail: khemani@plexstar.com | | Plexstar, Inc., Reston, VA | WWW: http://www.plexstar.com | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 15 Dec 1996 08:17:55 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> Yash L. Khemani (khemani@plexstar.com) wrote: : can you tell me why i might consider it over another flavor of unix? : i currently use solaris 2.5 for sparc at work. i've played with : solaris 2.5 for x86 and linux in the past, but there is a larger : variety and better offering of various software for win95, and so i : am using that. it is clear from looking at the history of ibm's os/2 : that what makes or breaks an operating system is not how powerful it : is, but what software is available for it (similar story with what has : happened to the machitosh). Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. Depends on what software you want. Mac is still stronger in the publishing area. For other apps, there ARE more and better apps around. Just that there's an illusion that there isn't. For one, there are some packages better than MS Office on other OS. But hardly anyone can name an alternate choice. Just like in my home country, the Macs are inferior machines, simply becuase no one heard of those. History can't clearly tell us anything. In my opinion, history suggested that marketing is all that matters. But I hope people will be different in the future. : so what sort of software is available for nextstep? Very little. Though they are all free from NeXT ftp sites. But things I need are there, that's all that matters to me.
From: mpemburn@erols.com (Mark Pemburn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IP Routing Date: 16 Dec 1996 14:04:07 GMT Organization: DIGEX Message-ID: <593ksn$ri7@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I've been considering using my NeXT (motorola hardware, 3.2 OS) as a router for my three-station network at home. I just installed the PPP kit that I found at NeXT Peak and this should allow me to dial out to my provider once I get an external modem hooked up. Then the question remains, what do I have to do to set up routing? I noticed that routed and route are included with the OS but I haven't really studied the steps necessary to set them up. I also don't know if there is any problem routing from a dynamically assigned IP address (which I'm constrained to use until I pay extra $$$ to my ISP). Is there anyone here with experience in IP routing who might be able to save me a few headaches? (Note: I only have the most rudimentary knowledge of Unix at the moment). Thanks in advance and the best of the season to y'all, Mark Pemburn
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 16 Dec 1996 08:13:00 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5930ac$89o@news.bctel.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> <592ci8$meo@news.Hawaii.Edu> tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: >John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: >: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: >: > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut >: UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. > >: REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was >: improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work >: with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris >: (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots >: someone can point me to? I briefly used a Sun and the UI is nothing like that of NEXTSEP/OPENSTEP, from what I recall it was more like Mac. NEXT's PS Megapixel 21" display was years ahead of its time back in 92 and still beats anything today! Even though my slab is comparatively slow I still prefer using it for the UI. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for the garbage they trick the masses into buying...there are superior alternatives! Steve Jobs was right in saying that Microsoft "has no taste".
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Objective-C byte codes? Date: 16 Dec 1996 14:35:55 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <593mob$c0b@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <58uucv$dei@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <58uucv$dei@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, woo@opus.bloomco.ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes: > I'm puzzled why the world is going JAVA crazy. The language design of Java is not bad and developing Objective-C or OpenStep for embedded or Byte Code Applications would include a total redesign and implementation. So you cannot provide an alternative with that approach. But the OpenStep world could spread, if the GNUStep projects gets a little further.... :-) > It seems that the reliability and stability of NeXTStep or OpenStep > compared to the current status of Java would give some opportunity to > offer a better alternative! There are some alternatives for the web which are not too bad. Just take a look at ObjectiveCAML (also used for the Webbrowser MMM from people in france), Python (Grail browser) and Penguin(?) (embedded perl). Bernhard Reiter
From: Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:07:41 -0500 Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <32B557AD.5F67@asiatlanta.com> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> <584rk8$enl@news.eunet.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Along these same lines, does anyone know of a program to convert a NeXT .EPS file to any other form of raster image? I need to get it onto Windows, and a .CDR or a .WMF (preferably) would be nice. Tim.
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IP Routing Date: 16 Dec 96 13:07:44 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.96Dec16130744@howard.one.net> References: <593ksn$ri7@news3.digex.net> In-reply-to: mpemburn@erols.com's message of 16 Dec 1996 14:04:07 GMT In article <593ksn$ri7@news3.digex.net>, mpemburn@erols.com (Mark Pemburn) writes: I've been considering using my NeXT (motorola hardware, 3.2 OS) as a router for my three-station network at home. <snip> I also don't know if there is any problem routing from a dynamically assigned IP address (which I'm constrained to use until I pay extra $$$ to my ISP). There's no _problem_ with routing with a dynamic IP address - you simply don't do it. To get your internal machines on the network for real, you need to have an IP address for all of them, otherwise machines on the net can't send packets back to you. You don't mention what your other machines are. What you can do is run proxy servers on the machine with the real IP address, and have the internal machines connect to the proxy. I have my slab set up with ppp and a dynamic IP address, running Cern httpd to proxy web access, and socks to proxy certain other commands from my other NeXTSTEP machines. [Socks lets you rebuild apps to automagically use the IP gateway to handle connections. With a socksified telnet, for instance, the internal machine connects to the machine with the net connection, which connects remotely and forwards packets on the tcp sockets between the internal and external connections.] (Note: I only have the most rudimentary knowledge of Unix at the moment). That's going to be a problem. You can probably get a binary for Cern httpd from w3.org. But if you want to get something socks running, you need to install the socks daemon and also rebuild telnet, ftp/ncftp, and whatever else you want available internally. It's somewhat of a big job, and there really aren't any good hints - you just do it (or not). Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
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From: schwartz@convex.com (Adam E. Schwartz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple talks with NeXT/Jobs (in WSJ) Date: 16 Dec 1996 19:57:53 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard - Convex Division, Richardson, Tx USA Message-ID: <5949k1$ffs@news.rsn.hp.com> Hi folks, Today's (12/16/1996) Wall Street Journal has a brief article about Apple Computer talking with Steve Jobs about the potential for the two companies (Apple and Next) to share operating system technology. That is, Apple needs a new OS and wants, perhaps, NextOS, or portions of it. Jobs reportedly said something along the lines of "I just gave them some advice, but that's about it." The problem--from Apple's perspective--is that their Copeland "next- generation" operating system project was a failure. Now Apple wants to buy the technology from an outside source. Microsoft was probably out of the question. ;-) Anyway, Gassee's BE incorporated is Apple's #1 choice, with Apple now willing to pay about $200 million, with BE becoming absorbed into Apple in some fashion. But those talks have been complicated in various ways. But Jobs has also talked recently with Apple about providing some version of NextStep and its mach kernel perhaps. Perhaps nothing more than Apple just shopping around, perhaps for comparison purposes, perhaps to pressure BE, who knows. Apple reportedly wants to make a decision and announcement of its plans in time for MacWorld Expo. Just FYI, from the Wall Street Journal. --Adam -- ----- Adam Schwartz, schwartz@convex.hp.com Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum. # # #
From: magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca (Francois Magnan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IP Routing Date: 17 Dec 1996 00:07:50 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <594o8m$gn2@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> References: <593ksn$ri7@news3.digex.net> In-Reply-To: <593ksn$ri7@news3.digex.net> On 12/16/96, Mark Pemburn wrote: >Hi, > > I've been considering using my NeXT (motorola hardware, 3.2 OS) as a >router for my three-station network at home. I just installed the PPP kit that >I found at NeXT Peak and this should allow me to dial out to my provider once I >get an external modem hooked up. Then the question remains, what do I have to >do to set up routing? > > I noticed that routed and route are included with the OS but I haven't >really studied the steps necessary to set them up. I also don't know if there >is any problem routing from a dynamically assigned IP address (which I'm >constrained to use until I pay extra $$$ to my ISP). Is there anyone here with >experience in IP routing who might be able to save me a few headaches? (Note: I >only have the most rudimentary knowledge of Unix at the moment). > >Thanks in advance and the best of the season to y'all, > >Mark Pemburn > > I have such a subnet at home and I can access the internet on all machines. All I have is a shell account at my university. I use slirp (a ppp emulator) in this account to route packets for my virtual subnet. If you want to know more about my setup ask me. Here are solutions for real ip's. Now you have three other possibilities: 1) Ask your provider to route the IP's of the other machines into your router through ppp. You will not want that I believe because it will involve more fees. This is the standard thing to do. 2) According to Paul Lynch (paul@plsys.co.uk) You need a cheap PC (no hard disk, with DOS) with your modem, and install IPRoute. This supports NAT, which lets you use a single IP address account from an ISP with an internal network (using 10.x.x.x IP addresses). Or, if you can get an ISDN ISP account, buy a cheap NAT router. The ZyXEL Prestige series are good for this. 3) Find an equivalent program for IPRoute for Black Hardware and use it. With my slirp solution you will save money instead of paying more though (a shell account normally costs less than a ppp account). Francois Magnan -- ______________________________________________________ Francois Magnan Departement de Mathematique & Statistiques Universite de Montreal email: magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca (MIME, NeXTMail Ok!)
From: magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca (Francois Magnan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IBM 6x86 CPU ?? Date: 16 Dec 1996 23:47:07 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <594n1r$g3g@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> References: <58rf43$q26@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> <SHESS.96Dec13075705@slave.one.net> In-Reply-To: <SHESS.96Dec13075705@slave.one.net> On 12/12/96, Scott Hess wrote: >In article <58rf43$q26@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, > heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) writes: > i plan buying an intel machine (for x-mas ;-) to run NeXTSTEP on > it. Now I see that machines with an IBM 6x86 CPU are much cheaper > than those with an intel Pentium. From NeXTanswers I also see that > NS seems to run on a Cyrix 6x86. > >Just FYI, a couple days (perhaps a week) ago someone posted that >they'd built a system with a Tyan motherboard and a Cyrix CPU, and it >wouldn't boot NeXTSTEP, though it would boot _OpenStep_. They also >mentioned that they tried swapping in a Pentium and it worked. > >That _might_ not mean anything, but I'd make sure you have a clear >(and cheap!) return policy with your vendor, just in case. > >The AMD site claims that NeXTSTEP runs on the AMD chips. That only >gets you to 133Mhz "P-rating", though from what I've heard it does >somewhat better on 32-bit code (C't magazine says that for NT, it's >somewhat like having a P100 FPU with a P166 integer unit). > >Later, >-- >scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ ><I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code> > I saw NeXTSTEP3.3 on a Cyrix and it was working but OmniWeb.app was not working at all (the system hanged whenever I started it). So I beleive there a compatibility problems with the Cyrix. From my point of view, I prefer having a slower machine (who will notice the difference between P100 and Cyrix 166 from a user's general tasks standpoint) that works and is compatible with everything than a faster machine on which nothing runs perfectly. Francois Magnan -- ______________________________________________________ Francois Magnan Departement de Mathematique & Statistiques Universite de Montreal email: magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca (MIME, NeXTMail Ok!)
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 15 Dec 1996 22:30:46 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <591u6m$l6b@news4.digex.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> > can you tell me why i might consider it over another flavor of unix? i currently use solaris 2.5 for sparc at work. i've played with solaris 2.5 for x86 and linux in the past, but there is a larger variety and better offering of various software for win95, and so i am using that. it is clear from looking at the history of ibm's os/2 that what makes or breaks an operating system is not how powerful it is, but what software is available for it (similar story with what has happened to the machitosh). > so what sort of software is available for nextstep? Although you may well be right...that line of reasoning suggests we will NEVER have anything but ms os products. B/C there are only apps for windows, windows will therefor forEVER be the only OS to use. If that is so, I'd stop using computers forever as well. I posit, it's not how many apps there are, but rather, how many apps there are that you NEED. The mac isn't dead yet for one simple reason...DTP. People need it, and so they use the mac. Someday, I hope, something will come out that we all NEED, that will kill the mediocre ms os domination. Anyway, for my needs the apps under NS are superior in several software catagories than windows offerings...except with one really sorly needed catagory. Word processing... Again, that's just for MY needs. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: 15 Dec 1996 22:34:45 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots someone can point me to? Thanks. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jch@cube.philosophy.pitt.edu (John Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Connectivity NS <-> USR Pilot PDA ??? Date: 17 Dec 1996 02:25:07 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <5950a3$7ik@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> I just got a USR Pilot PDA for my shirt pocket (schedule and phone #s). It connects to a desktop computer via a serial cable, and comes with software for both Mac and Win. I was wondering whether anybody has built (or has any ideas about building) such software for the NeXT? John Haugeland haugelan+@pitt.edu
From: sneal@ichips.intel.com (Scott M. Neal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help? I'm trying to upgrade... Date: 17 Dec 1996 00:35:45 GMT Organization: Intel Development Labs, INTeL Corporation Message-ID: <594pt1$4hl@news.jf.intel.com> References: <58v2cj$jb1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <591uvu$l6b@news4.digex.net> In article <591uvu$l6b@news4.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >dg131@ciao.cc.columbia.edu (Douglas Geers) wrote: >> RAM: He only has the factory RAM--Is this 8 meg or 16? Anyway, I think >the machine will go up to 32meg--is this correct? What kind of SIMMS do I >need to buy? Are there any tricky things I should know about installing >them? I want to his machine to have the maximum amount of RAM. Also, he >is complaining about his soundediting program, Edsnd, being awfully slow. >Can I upgrade the DSP RAM?? If so, what do I need & what is the maximum >amount of RAM for that? > >Jeez, I don't remember what the max ram on an 030 cube was. I think it was >16mb, but don't hold me to it...it's been a while. I think it uses 1mb >30pin 100ns simms. '030 cubes usually came with 8MB (8 1MB SIMMS), but could handle 64MB (16 slots, can handle 1 or 4 MB 30-pin SIMMS, no parity). Well, at least mine can (it's got 24MB with four slots still free...) Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199612151951.LAA17148@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 66d63b0c2bbdda35b2f6e2c65b328478 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 14:50:52 -0500 Subject: Re: GZIP -- Where to get for NeXTStep 3.0 and it's correct usage? Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 66d63b0c2bbdda35b2f6e2c65b328478 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Nicholas Applegate <napplegate@mail.yvv.com> Original Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:55:22 -0500 > I've a little mono slab that I want to put a correct version of > GZIP and GUNZIP on it. I've poked around peak and peanuts ftp sites > but can't seem to find it. Could someone tell me where it's > located? I'd like to b able to download some app's and unzip 'em. gzip can be found here. ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/gzip.1.2.3.NI.b.tar.Z Rather than using GZIP and the commandline, your best bet it to get this: ftp://eclipse.its.rpi.edu/NeXT/utils/Opener_f/Opener-3.3-N.tar.gz TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help? I'm trying to upgrade... Date: 15 Dec 1996 22:44:14 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <591uvu$l6b@news4.digex.net> References: <58v2cj$jb1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> dg131@ciao.cc.columbia.edu (Douglas Geers) wrote: > HARD DISK: He has already purchased a 4 gig disk to add (he is doing music composition on the machine and needs alot of space.) I tried to add this using the Next sys admin GUI tools, but I couldn't figure out how to make it format the disk as 2 2-gig disks (since as far as I know that's the most the OS will recognize.) Any advice? It depends on what version of the operating system you have? Version 3.3 and up will automagically split up the drive for you. Earlier versions, you'll have to make up a custom disktab. Check NeXTanswers on disktabs for more info. > RAM: He only has the factory RAM--Is this 8 meg or 16? Anyway, I think the machine will go up to 32meg--is this correct? What kind of SIMMS do I need to buy? Are there any tricky things I should know about installing them? I want to his machine to have the maximum amount of RAM. Also, he is complaining about his soundediting program, Edsnd, being awfully slow. Can I upgrade the DSP RAM?? If so, what do I need & what is the maximum amount of RAM for that? Jeez, I don't remember what the max ram on an 030 cube was. I think it was 16mb, but don't hold me to it...it's been a while. I think it uses 1mb 30pin 100ns simms. > CPU: Is it possible to do a CPU upgrade for an old cube? Where do I go to get more info? What will I have to pay? How much faster will it go? Sure, there are used 040 mb's floating around. Check csn.marketplace. They let you have more ram onboard as well...between 64mb and 128mb depending on the cpu. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 02:10:46 GMT Organization: ace dot net internet technologies Distribution: inet Message-ID: <592b36$gi0@garfield.iaxs.net> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was : improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work : with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris : (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots : someone can point me to? ... if he's talking about OpenWindows/olvwm, he's a real glutton for punishment. -- # david young: +oo developer # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok)
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Dec 1996 02:35:52 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <592ci8$meo@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: : > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean cut : UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. : REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was : improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work : with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris : (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots : someone can point me to? I haven't receive my NeXT Openstep yet. Sorry, I meant to say ' of all I have used '. :)
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: 17 Dec 1996 11:30:22 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <59608e$qs5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> In-Reply-To: <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> On 12/14/96, jobs@globalobjects.com wrote: > There are two apps in beta; on I _think_ will be free, the > other will be a commercial app. The potentially free on is > called WebUp.app and is truly as WYSIWYG HTML editor. It's a > little strange, but it works OK as far as I've tested it. It > is by John Stanhope. The commercial app, LatinByrd, converts > NeXT RTF to HTML and does a reasonably good job of it. That > one's by Stefan Schnieder. There's a little blurb about it > on his web page: > Geez, I wasn't aware of either. Please, both of you, go for it -- these would be *very* useful. John, if you make yor current efforts available I *promise* I'll look at them and give feedback. I should note, however, that OpenWrite does also have support for WYSIWYG HTML editing, which seems to have improved somewhat with the new release (2.1.8) -- thanks Lighthouse. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mwa@arl.wustl.edu (Marcel Waldvogel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Emacs.app Date: 12 Dec 1996 07:45:28 GMT Organization: Applied Research Lab, Washington University, St. Louis, MO, USA Message-ID: <58od6o$e8h@oldfart.ecl.wustl.edu> References: <58fun2$a50@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> lb19@cornell.edu (Larry Blume) wrote: > All the recent versions of Emacs.app crash on my 4.0 Intel box when called > from a Terminal window without a file name (or on a C-x C-f when called with a > file). I'd like to recompile the source, but I can't find it in any of the > standard spots. Can someone give me a pointer to the source? Anyone else > seen this problem? Larry, the source is available on ftp://nice.ethz.ch/pub/emacs-for-ns/ . There is more information (including a pointer to mailing lists) on http://nice.ethz.ch/~chris/emacs . But the source doesn't compile under 4.0, since it uses some old pre-Foundation classes and it hasn't been converted to the new Foundation classes yet. The 3.3 binary doesn't seem to run under 4.0 because that the 3.3 shared libraries included in 4.0 are not fully compatible with real 3.3 libraries, so you need to dump emacs on 4.0 again. The easiest way is to build it under 3.3 (cross-compile works fine) and then just remove the emacs binary (don't touch temacs!) and then do a "make" on 4.0. Alternatively, you can build it with 3.3Dev installed on 4.0. Scripts and information on how to do this is in ftp://nice.ethz.ch/pub/emacs-for-ns/Contrib/ . -Marcel
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 18 Dec 1996 03:40:38 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <597p3m$g72@news.xmission.com> References: <199612041748.JAA12247@mailmasher.com> <584rk8$enl@news.eunet.ch> <32B557AD.5F67@asiatlanta.com> Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> wrote: > Along these same lines, does anyone know of a program to convert a NeXT > .EPS file to any other form of raster image? I need to get it onto > Windows, and a .CDR or a .WMF (preferably) would be nice. There's epstotiff (a freebie) which converts .eps to .tiff, and there are plenty of tools to go from .tiff to any other bitmapped (raster) image format. I think what you meant to ask for is a way to convert .eps to another _vector_ image format (.wmf is a vector format). I don't know of anything out there that will do that conversion...unfortunately... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <597opm$k94@crawler.dlc.fi> Date: 18 Dec 1996 04:56:55 GMT Control: cancel <597opm$k94@crawler.dlc.fi> Message-ID: <cancel.597opm$k94@crawler.dlc.fi> Sender: jorge@mailloop.com Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Connectivity NS <-> USR Pilot PDA ??? Date: 18 Dec 1996 00:34:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961218003300.TAA15973@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5950a3$7ik@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Ron H. Nicholson, author of Chipmunk BASIC for the Macintosh has done a CBASPAD program for the Pilot which will import and export notes through the serial port--I believe he's written a matching utility on a Sun which will automatically splice stuff--check out alt.comp.sys.pilot?, or one of the Pilot specific web sites (the only one I can think of off the top of my head is <http://www.pilot.org>) I believe there's been an effort to create a set of tools for this on Linux--that might be portable... William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: dcoyle@goanna.mpi-hd.mpg.de (David A. Coyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 18 Dec 1996 09:07:01 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <598c7l$28m@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <597p3m$g72@news.xmission.com> In article <597p3m$g72@news.xmission.com> don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) writes: > Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> wrote: > > Along these same lines, does anyone know of a program to convert a NeXT > > .EPS file to any other form of raster image? I need to get it onto > > Windows, and a .CDR or a .WMF (preferably) would be nice. > > There's epstotiff (a freebie) which converts .eps to .tiff, and > there are plenty of tools to go from .tiff to any other bitmapped > (raster) image format. I think what you meant to ask for is a > way to convert .eps to another _vector_ image format (.wmf is a > vector format). I don't know of anything out there that will do > that conversion...unfortunately... Not true, Don. Tailor will convert to Adobe Illustrator format, if you want to spend that kind of $$$. Money well spent, I must say.... There's also a version of Tailor that runs on the Mac itself, but apparently they couldn't figure out how to make it print (last I heard...which is a while ago....). Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------ David A. Coyle Ask for my PGP public key. Max-Planck-Institut f r Kernphysik Heidelberg, Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------ dcoyle@goanna.mpi-hd.mpg.de dcoyle@weizen.rt.schwaben.de ------------------------------------------------------------------ Emotions are alien to me. I'm a scientist. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise", stardate 3417.3
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: 18 Dec 1996 12:45:08 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <598p0k$kgh@news.xmission.com> References: <597p3m$g72@news.xmission.com> <598c7l$28m@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> dcoyle@goanna.mpi-hd.mpg.de (David A. Coyle) wrote: > Tailor will convert to Adobe Illustrator format, if you want to spend that > kind of $$$. Money well spent, I must say.... I forgot about that. Probably because, no matter how good it is, I can't afford it. If it were, say, a tenth the price, I would have bought it long ago and would be familiar with it. :-) The same goes for a lot of NeXT apps--they cost too much. And after NeXT has cleaned out my pockets, I've not got any cah left for apps. Thank goodness there's a lot of freebies out there... [Don't get me wrong, I've bought licenses to quite a few commercial apps out there--the ones I could afford, which actually amounts to a rather respectable collection...] -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: mpemburn@erols.com (Mark Pemburn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IP Routing Date: 18 Dec 1996 13:00:32 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <598ptg$6rk@boursy.news.erols.com> References: <593ksn$ri7@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.96Dec16130744@howard.one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi again, I've been poking around and getting responses from people -- and it seems I've bitten off a big chunk on this one. Initially I said: > I've been considering using my NeXT (motorola hardware, 3.2 OS) as a > router for my three-station network at home. ><snip> > I also don't know if there is any problem routing from a > dynamically assigned IP address (which I'm constrained to use until > I pay extra $$$ to my ISP). Then shess@one.net says... >There's no _problem_ with routing with a dynamic IP address - you >simply don't do it. To get your internal machines on the network for >real, you need to have an IP address for all of them, otherwise >machines on the net can't send packets back to you. > I'm not sure whether you mean it is not possible to route from a host that has a dynamically assigned Internet address (because that is not possible) -- or that I'm stating my intentions incorrectly. I have been dialing in to my ISP with my NT4.0 machine and using something called WinGate as a proxy server. It is cumbersome in that you have to configure each application to look at the proxy. I could do this from the NeXT side, but I'd prefer something cleaner. If I have to pop for a fixed IP address, I'll squeak, then do it. (I'm cheap but practical) >You don't mention what your other machines are. I have two 486's running NT4.0. All three machines are connected via thin e-net and run TCP/IP. I also have Samba running on the NeXT so I can share its drives and printer on the NTs. >What you can do is >run proxy servers on the machine with the real IP address, and have >the internal machines connect to the proxy. I just installed GateD on the slab. It seems to be a proxy but it has so many options that I can't figure out where to start (I'm really showing my ignorance here). >I have my slab set up >with ppp and a dynamic IP address, running Cern httpd to proxy web >access, and socks to proxy certain other commands from my other >NeXTSTEP machines. [Socks lets you rebuild apps to automagically use >the IP gateway to handle connections. With a socksified telnet, for >instance, the internal machine connects to the machine with the net >connection, which connects remotely and forwards packets on the tcp >sockets between the internal and external connections.] > I've heard the term socks bandied about. I'll have to read up on it. > (Note: I only have the most rudimentary knowledge of Unix at the > moment). > >That's going to be a problem. Well, I'll just learn! It'll be about the fourth OS for me. ;-) >You can probably get a binary for Cern >httpd from w3.org. But if you want to get something socks running, >you need to install the socks daemon and also rebuild telnet, >ftp/ncftp, and whatever else you want available internally. It's >somewhat of a big job, and there really aren't any good hints - you >just do it (or not). > I'll use the force. Thanks! Yours, Mark
From: jehu@jehu.async.vt.edu (john stanhope) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: WebUp Alpha available on peak (Was: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html) Date: 18 Dec 1996 15:26:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: world Message-ID: <5992fv$md3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Since there were a number of people interested in trying out WebUp I have placed a Quad-fat binary on peak with a brief readme. A more in depth discussion (although not that more deep) can be found at http://armyant.ee.vt.edu/jehuWWW/WebUp/WebUp.html. In fact, don't even bother to start WebUp until you have looked over the preceeding page, since I don't think you will be able to figure out how to get started editing without a few pointers. But before you get too excited, you should know that it doesn't parse in html documents (this could be done if there is interest) but stores it in its own format. When you want a web page you have to save the html file seperately. I also haven't worked on support for forms but it does support tables to some extent. Also, this editor attempts to perserve the structure of the document as a tree of blocks of text and not as a linear piece of text so it doesn't work like most other editors. It's quircky. Your mileage may vary. -- John Stanhope jehu@vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: IP Routing Message-ID: <E2M7I0.A90@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <594o8m$gn2@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:10:48 GMT Francois Magnan writes > Now you have three other possibilities: > > 1) Ask your provider to route the IP's of the other machines into your > 2) According to Paul Lynch (paul@plsys.co.uk) > You need a cheap PC (no hard > disk, with DOS) with your modem, and install IPRoute. This supports > 3) Find an equivalent program for IPRoute for Black Hardware and use > it. Option 4 is to get an old cheap 486 system and install ethernet card, isdn card or (external)modem and run Linux. All current kernels provide IP masquerading, native PPP support plus isdn features. Go find a friendly soul with some experience (or such a running system for that matter) to help you set it up. That's what I did. Works like a charm, plus that system is powerful enough to hold an http proxy cache, http server and soon news nntp server. This helped relieve some load from my aged station. Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: si19706@ci.uminho.pt (Jose Artur Fonseca) Subject: Next Step Aquisition Message-ID: <32b8b141.4534234@news.ci.uminho.pt> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 03:30:04 GMT Hello friends! I am interested in Next Step for Intel x86. Could anyone, please, inform me what Next "distributions" are there, what hardware do I need to run, and from whose company can I get it? Your help is very appreciated CU L8R, José Artur Fonseca
From: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: SUBMISSION: New Versions of ... Date: 20 Dec 1996 04:54:31 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <59d667$c6l@news.vanderbilt.edu> In the last month I submitted Yftp 0.9626 SuperSolitaire II EditSound 2.3 NetpbmImageConverter (renamed from ImageConverter) All available in ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/ I hope they will somewhen get mirrored to peanuts. NetpbmImageConverter is also available as frontend. If you have already netpbm installed just link the bin directory into the app-wrapper and the filter service should work. EditSound comes with sox inside the app wrapper and will use it to convert wav and other soundfiles on the fly. It should also be possible to convert to wav with it. See also on my hompage for Version & System information. I don't have time to write 4 announces for the announce group, so there is just this informal notice. Have fun and mery Christmas, Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: looking for WYSIWYG editor for html Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:19:54 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E2L7t7.19L@micmac.com> References: <1996Dec11.111241.47198@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> <58toib$jvv@news.xmission.com> <59608e$qs5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Cc: m.crawford@shef.ac.uk In <59608e$qs5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: > On 12/14/96, jobs@globalobjects.com wrote: > > > There are two apps in beta; on I _think_ will be free, the > > other will be a commercial app. > Geez, I wasn't aware of either. Please, both of you, go for it -- these > would be *very* useful. John, if you make yor current efforts available I > *promise* I'll look at them and give feedback. Idem for me... > > I should note, however, that OpenWrite does also have support for WYSIWYG > HTML editing, which seems to have improved somewhat with the new release > (2.1.8) -- thanks Lighthouse. Could you tell us in which area it has been enhanced? (HTML 3?) -- mc
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:12:14 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: SoundChaser <soundchaser@velodrome.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: What is Mach operating system/Nextstep/Openstep? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:01:52 -0800 Organization: hmmm Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BAD490.4B29@velodrome.com> References: <57dn2c$h2o@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> <1996Dec2.035136.21814@asci.fdn.fr> <32AFFDEE.6E3D@sfbayrun.com> <58tfjj$6ig@news.Hawaii.Edu> <58tp2q$a20@news.bctel.net> <32B34D00.4C3@plexstar.com> <590c7j$8o3@news.Hawaii.Edu> <591ue5$l6b@news4.digex.net> <592ci8$meo@news.Hawaii.Edu> <5930ac$89o@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >John Kheit (jkheit@cnj.digex.net) wrote: > >: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) wrote: > >: > Nope. Any flavor of unix looks fine to me. Solaris has the most clean > cut > >: UI work enviroment in my opinion. Period. > > > >: REALLY?!? I have to check it out then...sheesh; I didn't know it was > >: improved. Till date, NEXTSTEP has been the most elegant UI to work > >: with...Or are you speaking of the new OPENSTEP UI ported ontop of Solaris > >: (i.e. just a port of the NEXTSTEP UI)? Are there any Solaris screen shots > >: someone can point me to? > > I briefly used a Sun and the UI is nothing like that of NEXTSEP/OPENSTEP, > from what I recall it was more like Mac. > Uh, Solaris running OpenStep looks exactly like NEXTSTEP. You must been using one other than other windowing environments available: openwindows or CDE. I think there is a screen shot on www.sun.com/solaris/products/openstep
From: jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 20 Dec 1996 19:15:42 GMT Organization: Netsync Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. : : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html That article was promising and encouraging... If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to start taking it seriously again ;) -- __________________________________________________________ _____ __ __ _____ __ __ ___ ___ || ||_ | ||\ | |_ | | || | | | | | ||__||__| |__||__|__| | || \| |__|__|__||__| | | |__ |__||__||__| ========================================================== - - Homepage: http://www.netsync.net/users/jecobb - - - - - jecobb@acsu.buffalo.edu & jecobb@netsync.net - - - __________________________________________________________
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 20 Dec 1996 19:43:34 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59eq97$s75@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> Cc: jecobb@netsync.net In <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> Justin Cobb wrote: > Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. > : > : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: > : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > > That article was promising and encouraging... > > If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to > start taking it seriously again ;) > > No doubt. If Apple is _buying_ nextstep, going to keep it alive and moving forward, market it reasonably and get/develop some good developer relationships going on nextstep, this could be one of the most amazingly wonderful Xmas presents I've ever recieved..... --no longer feeling quite as cygnical about Nextstep's future -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
From: djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:10:41 -0500 Organization: Michigan Technological University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. : : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. Derek
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: [Q] EtherWave card woes Date: 20 Dec 1996 22:21:47 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-2012961417240001@mencjo.apple.com> I cannot get my 3OM EtherWave 3c509 (Farallon OEMed) parallel tasking card to work with NeXTSTEP. I do not under stand why? Any suggestions? - joaquin -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] AWE32 card? Date: 20 Dec 1996 22:19:35 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-2012961415120001@mencjo.apple.com> How do I get my AWE32 Sound Card to work under NeXTSTEP 3.3? I wish to play some sounds, is there a way to do this. -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: I need your help Date: 21 Dec 1996 04:12:41 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Distribution: pgh Message-ID: <59fo3p$m8j@dropit.pgh.net> I am attempting to limit distribution on this to Pitsburgh, PA. If it gets outside, please accept my apology. I previously posted this to pgh-next-users, but I am not sure how many people read this group. I have an OD problem. Until I hear different, I am going to assume I will have to spend a lot of money to fix it. Therefore, if you have access to a working OD and are willing to help me, I need to get the critical info off about three ODs and write it onto 4mm DAT tape. I have a DAT drive and can bring it with me. If you can help, e-mail me at home (me@venetia.pgh.pa.us) with your phone number and I will call you. This is important and I can pretty much fit it to your schedule. I have some vacation between Chritsmas and New Year, or I can do it evenings or weekends. It is up to you. Thanks, Bob ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE]
From: rwilson@gate.net (Rob) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple Computer, Inc. Agrees to Acquire NeXT Software Inc. Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:45:31 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <32bc6b32.20202806@netnews2.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apple Computer, Inc. Agrees to Acquire NeXT Software Inc. December 20, 1996, 10:08 PM EST Acquisition Confirms New Open Apple; Steve Jobs Returns to Apple; Complementary Technology Offers New Opportunities for Apple in Enterprise, Internet, and Software Markets CUPERTINO, Calif., Dec. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Apple Computer, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) today announced its intention to purchase NeXT Software Inc., in a friendly acquisition for $400 million. Pending regulatory approvals, all NeXT products, services, and technology research will become part of Apple Computer, Inc. As part of the agreement, Steve Jobs, Chairman and CEO of NeXT Software, will return to Apple -- the company he co-founded in 1976 -- reporting to Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Apple's Chairman and CEO. The acquisition will bring together Apple's and NeXT's innovative and complementary technology portfolios and significantly strengthens Apple's position as a company advancing industry standards. Apple's leadership in ease-of-use and multimedia solutions will be married to NeXT's strengths in development software and operating environments for both the enterprise and Internet markets. NeXT's object oriented software development products will contribute to Apple's goal of creating a differentiated and profitable software business, with a wide range of products for enterprise, business, education, and home markets. Using NeXT technology to embrace open industry standards Apple Computer, Inc. believes the acquisition will allow the Company to further develop industry alliances as the Internet/intranet market evolves. Apple anticipates that NeXT expertise in next-generation operating system design will allow elements of the NEXTSTEP operating system to become integral features of Mac OS -- providing developers a compelling OS foundation on which to build next generation software solutions. "The acquisition of NeXT is the start of a new chapter in Apple's history and represents a milestone in our transformation as a corporation," said Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Chairman and CEO, Apple Computer Inc. "Today Apple welcomed back its most talented visionary -- Steve Jobs, someone who can inspire a new generation of customers and software developers and show that Apple remains the industry home for innovation and excitement. Today Apple returns, as an open player to the mainstream and the heart of this industry, where our technology can once more set standards for innovation and excellence." "Much of the industry has lived off the Macintosh for over ten years now, slowly copying the Mac's revolutionary user interface," said Steven P. Jobs. "Now the time has come for new innovation, and where better than Apple for this to spring from? Who else has consistently led this industry -- first with the Apple II, then the Macintosh and LaserWriter? With this merger, the advanced software from NeXT will be married with Apple's very high-volume hardware platforms and marketing channels to create another breakthrough, leapfrogging existing platforms, and fueling Apple and the industry copy cats for the next ten years and beyond. I still have very deep feelings for Apple, and it gives me great joy to play a role in architecting Apple's future." Acquisition Confirms New Open Apple The acquisition of NeXT is further evidence that Apple is fundamentally changing the way it does business. Embracing outside technology and driving cross-platform industry standards, Apple believes it can innovate in the key areas that give its products and technology differentiation. NeXT's cross-platform development environments for enterprise and Internet/intranet markets, allow developers to write once and deploy across a range of Internet and client-server platforms. In a new era of industry collaboration and joint initiatives -- brought on by the "megatrends" of pervasive Internet and ubiquitous multimedia -- NeXT technology complements Apple's strength in multimedia authoring and playback, as well as Internet access, Internet authoring, and Internet server solutions. In the last year Apple has worked on a series of collaboration initiatives which leverage the Company's core strengths in Internet, multimedia, and component software. Wide ranging agreements with Netscape Communications, Sun Microsystems, and Silicon Graphics Computer Systems -- along with the acquisition of NeXT -- confirm Apple is building strategic relationships at the forefront of the information industry. Developer Support Software developers believe that the integration of NEXTSTEP technology in future versions of Mac OS will result in a robust, next-generation OS that provides developers with a multimedia-rich and Internet-savvy platform. "This partnership is the best possible fit. Both companies support strong, open industry standards. Combined with their rich media focus and a command of the Internet, these strengths will play well into Adobe's core markets," says John Warnock, Chairman and CEO, Adobe Systems, Inc. "NeXT's advanced operating system design, when combined with Apple's leadership in ease-of-use and multimedia, will provide Adobe and other developers with a robust, compelling platform on which to build great next-generation software solutions." Apple expects to be able to show substantial developer and industry endorsements for Apple's new Mac OS system software strategy at MacWorld San Francisco in January 1997. Apple Computer, Inc. believes the acquisition will provide a series of benefits for customers, software developers, Apple Computer, NeXT, and the information technology industry. They include the following: Enterprise Offering Enhanced The combination of Apple technology, NeXT object oriented software development products, and the "megatrend" of corporate-wide intranets, gives Apple the opportunity to reinvigorate its offering to enterprise markets. NeXT's OPENSTEP Enterprise and WebObjects development environments allow enterprise customers to develop software solutions quickly and deploy reusable applications on either traditional client-server or Internet/intranet based networks. These powerful tools allow new applications to access legacy data and applications, a key concern for enterprise customers in the late 1990s. Customers currently using this technology range from companies such as WebCrawler, Trilobyte and ID to large organizations including Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, NASA, NTT, and AT&T Wireless. In addition, NeXT's Sales and Professional Services team offers worldwide programs to facilitate the knowledge transfer required to quickly take advantage of OPENSTEP Enterprise's unique capabilities. Apple envisages this team will become a valued part of the Apple enterprise offering moving forward. Internet/intranet Position Strengthened A key strategic advantage of NeXT technology is its powerful Internet/intranet software development environment -- WebObjects. Today, Apple technology and customers are playing a pivotal role in the evolution of the Internet -- from easy to use powerful solutions in Internet access, Internet authoring and Internet servers, to technologies such as QuickTime Media Layer (QTML) and HotSauce/MCF that set new standards in Internet multimedia and knowledge management. Combining these Apple strengths with WebObjects' unique capabilities to access legacy data and applications will provide Apple with a strong offering for companies reengineering their businesses to take advantage of the Internet. Customers currently using WebObjects technology include The Sharper Image, Ford, Nissan, Lufthansa, and Bell South. Again, Apple foresees NeXT's Sales and Professional Services team continuing to offer programs to companies who are implementing corporate-wide business reengineering based upon a new Internet/intranet infrastructure. In addition, the momentum of Java, Sun Microsystems' platform-independent programming language, has led Apple to conclude that by implementing a Java architecture across its platforms and development tools portfolio, Apple systems will be at the forefront of Internet/Internet design -- an area of enormous potential growth through the millennium. WebObjects' Java-enabled object oriented model complements Apple ComputerOs commitment to Java, which includes Mac OS Runtime for Java (currently in beta) and the integration of JavaBeans and OpenDoc component technology. Apple Computer, Inc. believes the acquisition of NeXT will give the Company the opportunity to become a preeminent development and deployment platform for Java technology. Acquisition Kick-Starts Apple Software Business The acquisition of NeXT's development products for enterprise and Internet markets will allow Apple to supplement its growing list of software products with a ready-made portfolio of powerful customer-focused software solutions. Apple is committed to increasing the revenue it makes from its software products and the acquisition of NeXT is a significant development in building a differentiated, sustainable and profitable software business. Apple already has a number of software products -- from QuickTime to HotSauce/MCF, which are driving industry standards in multimedia and Internet markets -- to customer applications and tools such as Apple Internet Connection Kit (AICK), Apple Media Tool, Language Kits, and communications software. Delivery of Next Generation Mac OS Apple's exhaustive research in operating system design, led the company to conclude that NEXTSTEP's maturity, networking, customer and developer acceptance, multi-tasking, protected memory, and scalability from portable to server-level products make it the clear choice for integration into the next major revision of Mac OS. Apple believes that the integration of NEXTSTEP technology in future versions of Mac OS will result in a robust, next generation OS that provides customers and developers with a multimedia-rich and Internet-savvy platform. Apple Chairman and CEO Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock, and Steve Jobs will announce details of how Apple will incorporate NeXT technology into future releases of Mac OS at MacWorld San Francisco in January. Acquisition Brings New Talent to Apple The acquisition of NeXT will result in new management talent joining Apple Computer, Inc. Avie Tevanian, formally NeXT's Vice President of Engineering, will join Apple to lead the Company's next generation OS development efforts, reporting to Ellen Hancock, Apple's executive vice president of R&D, and Chief Technology Officer. Mitch Mandich, formally NeXT's vice president of Worldwide Sales and Services, will also join Apple, reporting to Marco Landi, Apple's executive vice president and Chief Operating Officer. Dominique Trempont, NeXT's Chief Financial Officer will also be joining Apple's executive team. As a complement to this initiative, Apple Computer, Inc. also announces that Rick LeFaivre has returned to the company as head of the newly formed Apple Technology Group. This group will house Apple's research laboratories, human interface technologies, and advanced systems architecture, offering support for hardware and software integration. Rick LeFaivre will report to Ellen Hancock in this new role. (See separate press release). Apple Computer, Inc., a recognized innovator in the information industry and leader in multimedia technologies, creates powerful solutions based on easy-to-use personal computers, servers, peripherals, software, personal digital assistants and Internet content. Headquartered in Cupertino, California, Apple develops, manufactures, licenses and markets solutions, products, technologies and services for business, education, consumer, entertainment, scientific and engineering and government customers in more than 140 countries. NOTE: Apple, the Apple logo, and Macintosh, are registered trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. Additional company and product names may be trademarks or registered trademarks of the individual companies and are respectfully acknowledged. SOURCE Apple Computer Inc. © PR Newswire. All rights reserved. Additional sources of information Market Statistics - From Quote.Com Tell Me More - From Infoseek
From: Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:19:09 -0800 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Derek Juntunen wrote: > > Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. > : > : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: > : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > > Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official > announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should > sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of > time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. http://www.next.com/Merger.html Good enough?
From: rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:24:53 -0500 Organization: Clemson University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> In article <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>, djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: > Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official > announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should > sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of > time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at 200 - 300 Mhz. -- Rick McDaniel
From: mpaque@next.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 05:45:04 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59fth0$p5g@news.next.com> References: <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> There ain't nothing I can add to this: http://www.next.com/ -- Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. "May you live in interesting times." - Old Chinese curse
From: jchan@apk.net (Jerome Chan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:32:30 -0500 Organization: TofuSoft Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca>, Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> wrote: >Derek Juntunen wrote: >> >> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >> : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >> : >> : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >> : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >> >> Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >> announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >> sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > >http://www.next.com/Merger.html > >Good enough? <http://www.apple.com/> It's on the front page. --- The Evil Tofu (Only Human)
From: Zachery Joseph Bir <zbir@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: setting stty higher than 38400? Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:39:45 -0500 Organization: Very little Message-ID: <mbtsp507scu.fsf@jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu> So I can use, say 115200 with my 33.6 modem? Thanks, Zac -- Zachery J. Bir - zbir@indiana.edu http://seven.ucs.indiana.edu/~zbir/index.html
From: rainer@wmax60.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhöfer) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:55:27 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59gj7f$7h0@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> I can't believe it! After trying everything to kill themself, they're finally making that step forward. Now that's some Christmas surprise .... And yeah, &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & merry X-mas to all NeXTers !!!& -- &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ------------------------------------- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (finger cip@mathematik for public key ...)
From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 09:25:25 -0800 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59h6i5$dgn@crl.crl.com> References: <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <59fth0$p5g@news.next.com> In article <59fth0$p5g@news.next.com>, Mike Paquette <mpaque@next.com> wrote: >There ain't nothing I can add to this: > > http://www.next.com/ "NeXT should hold out for a black stripe in the Apple logo." -- Mike Morton -- Don McGregor |"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single chicken, mcgredo@crl.com | being possessed of a good fortune and presented with a good | road, must be desirous of crossing."
From: dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 17:44:14 GMT Organization: Software Munitions Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Cc: djunt@mtu.edu In <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Derek Juntunen wrote: > Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. > : > : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: > : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > > Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official > announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should > sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of > time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? -dpg
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: METROWERKS TO INCLUDE APPLE'S NEWOS TOOLS IN REGULAR CODEWARRIOR SUBSCRIPTIONS Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 14:12:10 -0500 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-2112961412100001@aumi1-a06.ccm.tds.net> METROWERKS TO INCLUDE APPLE'S NEWOS TOOLS IN REGULAR CODEWARRIOR SUBSCRIPTIONS CodeWarrior Tools for Apple's NewOS to be Delivered in Incremental Releases AUSTIN, Texas, December 20, 1996.-Metrowerks Inc. (NASDAQ: MTWKF,TSE/ME:MWK), the leading provider of software development tools for the Macintosh, today announced that CodeWarrior support for Apple Computer, Inc.'s Next generation OS will be shipped to CodeWarrior customers as part of their regular CodeWarrior subscription, in step with Apple's release of its Next generation OS. Metrowerks expects to have Objective C compilers and Objective C runtime support in its C++ compilers hosted in CodeWarrior by the 1997 Apple WorldWide Developers Conference. Metrowerks expects to have its CodeWarrior compilers and linkers ported to Apple's Next generation OS simultaneous with its availability from Apple Computer. The CodeWarrior development environment will be supported on both MacOS and Apple's Next generation OS and the first developer release of the Apple Next generation OS-hosted CodeWarrior will be made available to current CodeWarrior subscribers at MacWorld San Francisco 1998. Metrowerks compiler offerings for Apple software platforms will include full support for 68K, PowerPC and x86 applications development. "Metrowerks intends to provide CodeWarrior support for Apple's Next generation OS from day one," said Greg Galanos, President and Chief Technology Officer of Metrowerks. "We will deliver CodeWarrior tools to the developer community in an ongoing fashion to support current MacOS and Apple's Next generation OS. Our intent is to make these tools available as soon as possible to our customers in their regular CodeWarrior subscription. CodeWarrior support of Apple's Next generation OS is in alignment with our overall tools strategy and increases the availability of CodeWarrior-hosted tools that can be used to develop applications software for the desktop, consumer electronics and embedded systems markets." "We are pleased to be working with Metrowerks, the premiere provider of developer tools for the Mac OS, to integrate Next's leading-edge object technologies into the CodeWarrior development environment." said Steve Jobs, Founder, Apple Computer, Inc., and Next Software. "This will enable Mac OS developers using C, C++, Pascal, and Object Pascal to easily transition their applications to the next generation of the Mac OS." "Metrowerks is a valued partner of Apple Computer and CodeWarrior was instrumental in our successful transition from 68K to PowerPC." said Ellen Hancock, Executive Vice President and Chief Technical Officer of Apple Computer. "We are working closely with Metrowerks to ensure a cohesive set of software development tools that span from MacOS 7.x to Apple's Next generation OS. One of Apple's highest priorities in the deployment of our Next generation OS is that CodeWarrior users can move their applications as quickly and efficiently as possible. We're pleased that Metrowerks will provide these new tools as part of their regular CodeWarrior subscription." About Metrowerks Founded in 1985, Metrowerks develops, markets and supports a complete line of computer language products for building Mac OS, Windows 95, Windows NT, Magic Cap, BeOS, PalmOS, PlayStation OS and PowerTV applications. Metrowerks CodeWarrior products have become the industry standard for professional Mac-hosted software development with more than 50,000 registered users in 70 countries. Additional information on Metrowerks and its products can be obtained in the U.S. by sending Email to info@metrowerks.com, by calling (800) 377-5416, or via the Internet at http://www.metrowerks.com. ### Metrowerks, the Metrowerks logo and CodeWarrior are registered trademarks of Metrowerks Inc. Macintosh is a registered trademark of Apple Computer, Inc. Mac is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc. Windows, Windows NT and Windows 95 are either registered trademarks or trademarks of Microsoft Corp. in the United States and/or other countries. All other companies and products may be trademarks of their respective holders and are hereby recognized. 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From: kathomas@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Karl Thomas) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:58:58 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hc1i$o7s@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) writes: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. There was already a press release from Apple. It is official. Go to www.news.com for the latest.
From: "Benjamin Smith" <benjs@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 96 14:56:29 -0500 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > >http://www.next.com/Merger.html > >Good enough? It's official folks. It's the real deal. Now WinNT can start shaking in its boots? Hey Windows folks, MS has not really written any OSs. They did not write DOS, its a rewrite of CIM, they did not really write NT, it's a good rewrite of VMS, so I don't want to hear anything of Apple not having the talent to write an OS. Amiga, Be, CIM, VMS, UNIX, and Mac, these are the OS's, at least that I know of, that are out there (before you flame me I'm a layman and this impression comes from my research, feel free to correct me if you find that I am in error). Apple's decision to go with Be and then with NeXT is a prudent, pragmatic decision. I'm truly sick and tired of hearing from pompous Windows folks who keep knocking Apple as technically incompetent because of the current state of the Mac OS. They *have* come up with other technologies you know. And look at what some of the ex-Apple people have come up with, namely Be and NeXT. Ben S. --------------------------------------------------- This message was created and sent using the Cyberdog Mail System ---------------------------------------------------
From: "David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 19:44:46 GMT Organization: America.Net, P.O. Box 1222, Alpharetta, GA 30239-1222 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> Rick McDaniel <rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote in article <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>... > The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much > better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at > 200 - 300 Mhz. You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years.
From: Todd Griffith <ttgriff@jetcity.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:20:54 +0000 Organization: Jet City Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BBD626.2EB5@jetcity.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> You missed the point David! NT is not considered a mature modern operating system like Next is. And besides NT has been banished to the underpowered Intel platform. Don't be so fast with the rain, unless you want to get wet too! Todd
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:29:11 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BBD813.2C64@sfbayrun.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> <59gj7f$7h0@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: Rainer Frohnhöfer <rainer@wmax60.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Rainer Frohnhöfer wrote: > > I can't believe it! After trying everything to kill themself, > they're finally making that step forward. > > Now that's some Christmas surprise .... > > And yeah, > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > & merry X-mas to all NeXTers !!!& > -- &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > ------------------------------------- > "Um Energie zu sparen, > wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels > vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de > (finger cip@mathematik for public key ...) > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & merry X-mas to all NeXTers & Macsters too!!!!& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next Step Aquisition Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:31:29 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Message-ID: <32BBD89D.241E@sfbayrun.com> References: <32b8b141.4534234@news.ci.uminho.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: Jose Artur Fonseca <si19706@ci.uminho.pt> Jose Artur Fonseca wrote: > > Hello friends! > > I am interested in Next Step for Intel x86. > Could anyone, please, inform me what Next "distributions" are > there, what hardware do I need to run, and from whose company can I > get it? > > Your help is very appreciated > > CU L8R, > José Artur Fonseca I guess you will just have to call Apple for that. =P -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:46:21 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hiat$kek@news3.digex.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> "David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> wrote: > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. One interesting thing... I think NeXT's PDO runs on Alpha. If Apple/NeXT are truly open, there should be an alpha port somewhere in the distance. Just imagine it...NeXT already has been ported to at least these architectures: OPENSTEP for Mach: NeXT hardware (motorola m68k) Intel X86 Sparc HPPA PPC (NeXT shelved this when they dropped hardware, but I've heard reports that some NeXT engineers took prototypes of the dual PPC and have been doing work on it...) OPENSTEP NT Solaris GNU has proposed Linux, and OS/2 Misc PDO has been ported to Alpha 1.0 of NeXTSTEP was ported on top of AIX on RS/6000's This is one very portable OS/Environment. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: rbarris@netcom.com (Robert Barris) Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <rbarrisE2s689.71s@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> Distribution: inet Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:28:57 GMT Sender: rbarris@netcom11.netcom.com In article <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens>, David J. Owens <djowens@innova.net> wrote: >Rick McDaniel <rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote in article ><rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>... >> The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much >> better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at >> 200 - 300 Mhz. >You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of >the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows >NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. NT won't run any of the software I have written on MacOS. As it stands I see a growth path for MacOS and PowerPC that will, and NT is "not it".
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:55:02 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hir6$kek@news3.digex.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <rbarrisE2s689.71s@netcom.com> rbarris@netcom.com (Robert Barris) wrote: > NT won't run any of the software I have written on MacOS. As it stands I see a growth path for MacOS and PowerPC that will, and NT is "not it". If you port your apps to OPENSTEP (I guess it being the new version of the MacOS to some extent...) your apps will be able to run on NT. And on Solaris, and on any cpu where OPENSTEP has been ported (a bunch of them already have OPENSTEP ports...Sparc, HPPA, Intel...PPC[mothballed]). -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: matasar@teleport.com (Ben Matasar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 15:56:43 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net>, dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com wrote: >I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating >system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an >improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. Ben -- Ben Matasar matasar@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~matasar/ "Thanks to Apple Computers. It's Bitchin what these things can do." -Tori Amos
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:37:30 GMT Organization: Kuentos Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59hvsa$jku@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <59hiat$kek@news3.digex.net> In <59hiat$kek@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: >"David J. Owens" <djowens@innova.net> wrote: >> You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of >the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows >NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. > >One interesting thing... I think NeXT's PDO runs on Alpha. If Apple/NeXT >are truly open, there should be an alpha port somewhere in the distance. > >Just imagine it...NeXT already has been ported to at least these >architectures: > >OPENSTEP for Mach: >NeXT hardware (motorola m68k) >Intel X86 >Sparc >HPPA >PPC (NeXT shelved this when they dropped hardware, but I've heard reports >that some NeXT engineers took prototypes of the dual PPC and have been >doing work on it...) > >OPENSTEP >NT >Solaris >GNU has proposed Linux, and OS/2 > >Misc >PDO has been ported to Alpha >1.0 of NeXTSTEP was ported on top of AIX on RS/6000's > >This is one very portable OS/Environment. >-- >Thanks, later, John Kheit > >monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK >NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net >Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit >New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only Thanks John, we expect to see you a lot more in comp.sys.mac-next.advocacy. Especially when you share your NeXT knowledge. (Heck I'm taking the dust off my NeXT Bible book and plans to go through every article I have on NeXT information.) Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
From: michael@tenzo.com (Michael O'Henly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Now the bad news: NeXT = Unix Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:29:17 -0800 Organization: Tenzo Design Message-ID: <199612211629171529467@i2-26.islandnet.com> References: <sjonke-2112961326280001@outside.jagunet.com> Stephen Jonke <sjonke@jagunet.com> wrote: > It's good that Apple is doing something, but I still find myself more than > a bit leary about a Unix-based OS like NeXT forming the basis of the next > MacOS. In the comp.sys.next newsgroup hierarchy their is a group called > comp.sys.next.sysadmim - that just about sums it all up!!! > If NeXTStep simply replaces MacOS that would not be a Mac! It would not > even be a personal computer. I can see it now - my Mom calls me up asking > what environment variables, paths, etc, she has to set to get ClarisWorks > 6 to run. Heck, I call up somebody else to find out what needs to be set > to run ClarisWorks! > Is this where the MacOS is going? [Crossposted to comp.sys.next.misc...] Spend some time reading comp.sys.next.* and ask questions there. I think you'll find the NeXTies enthusiastic and happy to respond to these kinds of concerns from Mac users. To answer your question (speaking as a former non-geek NeXT user), installing software applications comparable to ClarisWorks on a NeXT box is trivial. Information about all aspects of the system environment are available to the installer and it just does the right thing. Using software applications and doing file management do not require any unix expertise. Michael O'Henly
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OPENSTEP as a server Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:06:49 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32BC89A9.E56@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone here used OPENSTEP as a server on a large distributed network? I would like to know how well it performs with thousands, or tens of thousands of clients. Or would it be much better to use it only on the client side, and use another OS for the server? --GH
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:23:44 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html > >Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that failed... The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: Jason <jasones@flash.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:07:55 -0600 Organization: The Confused and Deranged Foundation Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BC97FA.4567@flash.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knock it ALL, get FreeBSD or OpenBSD or maybe NetBSD... though specificly the biggest joke of all is NT... its been shaking since *before* day 1... maybe a workstation, but theres NO chance of server... -Jason-
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:14:01 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> "Benjamin Smith" <benjs@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>http://www.next.com/Merger.html >> >>Good enough? > >It's official folks. It's the real deal. Now WinNT can start shaking in its >boots? > > >I'm truly sick and tired of hearing from pompous Windows folks who keep >knocking Apple as technically incompetent because of the current state of >the Mac OS. They *have* come up with other technologies you know. And look >at what some of the ex-Apple people have come up with, namely Be and NeXT. > > >Ben S. > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for years before his announcement. Apple, the insanely friendly computer company who continues to charge grade schools $140 to fix 140K (that's K) Apple II disk drives. Fact is Apple's in it for the bucks just like MS and the rest. Some of their stuff is good - some isn't - just like MS. As always, Apple hardware continues to be over priced and not that great to begin with. The Apple down home, built in the backyard crap smells funny when you look at a 1977 Apple "disk controller (not really - but they called it that)" card that was made in Singapore. In closing..... YAWN......
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP as a server Date: 22 Dec 1996 04:32:56 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59idlo$m6a@news.bctel.net> References: <32BC89A9.E56@erols.com> gbh@erols.com wrote: >Has anyone here used OPENSTEP as a server on a >large distributed network? I would like to know >how well it performs with thousands, or tens of >thousands of clients. Or would it be much better >to use it only on the client side, and use >another OS for the server? > >--GH I currently use Openstep as an Internet server and also have it networked to a second machine. Currently we serve about 15 virtual domains and get about 1000 hits per day on a T3. It may not be as large as what you are planning, but so far it has worked flawlessly. I have heard NEXTSTEP works very well on 1000+ networks.
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP as a server Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 00:28:46 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32BCC70E.3C5F@erols.com> References: <32BC89A9.E56@erols.com> <59idlo$m6a@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Has anyone here used OPENSTEP as a server on a > >large distributed network?... > > I currently use Openstep as an Internet server... Are there any FAQs or other docs on this? Is configuring Openstep as a server for an ISP as easy as configuring it to serve a simple network? Could you send me info about how you are set-up along with any things I should watch out for. --gh
From: "Art Taylor" <reeses@blarg.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 06:18:09 GMT Organization: The Fartino Crime Family Message-ID: <01bbf013$42a86e40$53b48e8c@ennui.u.washington.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> NNTP-Posting-User: reeses Wow. OK, so my next machine (NeXT machine?) is going to be a Macintosh. When is this going to result in an OpenStep on a Macintosh? :-) As NeXT produces the only OS I've ever been religious about, I was getting rather worried after I received my copy of 4.0. Now that (theoretically) OpenStep and all that means (Objective C, etc.) will be available on a thriving platform, well... I've been bouncy all day. :-) This could quite possibly be the best thing to happen for NeXT at this time. Not too bad for Apple either. :-) -a.
From: "Kris & Scott Gant" <sgant@interaccess.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:14:01 GMT Organization: Magic Pixel Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbefd7$82ae78e0$f64fb7ce@interaccess> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar <togar@msn.com> wrote > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > years before his announcement. Apple, the insanely friendly computer > company who continues to charge grade schools $140 to fix 140K (that's > K) Apple II disk drives. Fact is Apple's in it for the bucks just like > MS and the rest. What I can't understand is people like you think that companies that charge for software/hardware are the most evil thing on the planet. Why? Also, what is wrong with being in the business of writing software to sell? Is it maybe because you are hack programmers who can't get a real job or are so uncreative and you're jealous because someone else thought up a concept for software and you didn't, or what? I really would like to know! Here's a clue, every software manufacturer that sells/develops software is in it for the money. Wow, what a revelation!
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:42:19 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for ^^^^ > years before his announcement. 3.5" floppy on a TRS-80? Are you sure you did not mean 5.25" floppy? I can assure you that the Mac was the first US machine to ship with a 3.5" floppy drive. A drive which did not become easily available until 1984 which is when Apple shipped it with the original Mac. How did you use it for 'years' prior to that? Oh well..... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:44:37 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> Hi Thomas :) Thanks for the FAQ! Just a couple of tidbits. Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > Next has: A small but loyal following of users. The NextStep/OpenStep > OS has Multitasking Memory Protected SMP Network-Ready Object-Oriented > Application Model WebObjects Client Server/Based Portable API > Excellent UI, possibly a little to much for some though. The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. and another thing... > Disadvantages: Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed > to clean that up. Kernel needs updating If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to see it. I've put 4 year old's on this system and they have had no problems using it...nor does my mom or any newbies. It's there under the hood if you WANT to use it, and that really is an advantage b/c there are many things that can be done better the a command line than a GUI in certain situations. However, if you NEVER want to see the unix side of NS, you don't have to. The GUI is very robust, easy to use, elegant, and you'd never know unix was around. However, I really don't see this as a disadvantage. Unix underpinnings have very STRONG benefits for us all. It's a very robust, time tested environment that IS the web. To have native support under the hood, just puts Apple in a stronger position in the future, especially in regard to the Internet. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Jason <jasones@flash.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:39:50 -0600 Organization: The Confused and Deranged Foundation Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Vincent wrote: > > The fastest Power PC chips available right now are running something > like 586 MGHZ. They will be available in March of 1997. 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring different processors by thier Mhz... -Jason-
From: happy2@home.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 17:28:28 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> Image a state of the art operating system being swallowed by the mis-Management at Apple; This may be more a question of how long it takes Apple to screw Next OS up enough to rename it Copeland. I hate to beat this drum, but Apple has f___-ed up more talent and promising software developments over the past 15 years than any company has a right to, and I predict that, 1. they'll do it again; or, 2. Jobs will regain his sanity and do a buy-back before it's too late and NeXT OS becomes "What's Next" or What's left. All of this thrusts the BE OS to the forefront and I pray they have enough cents to avoid the Core. On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:24:53 -0500, rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: >In article <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>, djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: > >> Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >> announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >> sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > > >The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much >better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at >200 - 300 Mhz. > >-- >Rick McDaniel
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:43:01 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > ... , Apple will need to do a lot of work to cover up UNIX that's > the personality of OPENSTEP/Mach. NeXT did a fair job, but a > Terminal window containing a UNIX shell prompt is a common sight > under OPENSTEP/Mach when system administration tasks need to be > performed. Mac administrators probably wouldn't be happy with > this approach, although it's VERY NICE to be able to get under > the covers, something that was nearly impossible with my old Mac. Speaking as a person who administers Macs in a public lab setting, I would VERY VERY VERY VERY much prefer to be working with NeXTSTEP in those labs than the MacOS. Still, I agree that more improvements could be made to NeXTSTEP, to reduce the need to know about unix. I do think it's an advantage to have unix around for those who need it. > And then there's the issue of Mach's UNIX personality being based > on BSD UNIX, the final release of which occurred a couple of > years ago. System V UNIX is dominant, so OPENSTEP/Mach is becoming > quite different and dated. Will Apple replace the BSD personality > with one based on System V so that their new OS will be truly > up-to-date? I don't think they necessarily need to. If they put out a BSD-style Unix, then that unix is very likely going to be the unix platform with the largest volume -- by a huge margin. That said, it would be nice to see a more modern BSD instead of the one that NeXTSTEP currently has. I'm not sure that I'd go for a switch to SysV. The people who know SysV are not as likely to know NeXTSTEP, and I don't think you want all the people who *do* know NeXTSTEP grumbling because "nothing is the same" as what they are used to. And for those who don't know *any* unix, I really don't see that SysV vs BSD makes all that much difference. > Apple will need to trim down OPENSTEP/Mach considerably unless > its customers are willing to upgrade the memory on their machines > considerably. 32 MB seems minimal with OPENSTEP/Mach. I've got > 64 MB in my old Cube and still page to disk occasionally. What > will Apple cut out? Around here, I generally recommend that PowerMac users have at least 20meg on their system, and I do say that "32 meg would be better". Given the dramatic decline in RAM prices this past year, I don't think the issue of RAM is all that important. I also don't expect that every Mac customer will run out and run this new system. Apple says that they expect system 7.x to still be running ten years from now. (hmm, they might have said five years, but anyway, the point is that they are not targetting this new operating system for every Mac ever sold). > Lots of unknowns remain. This is definitely true!!! > How long will Steve Jobs report to someone else? He just doesn't > seem to like to work FOR anyone else. Smells like trouble ahead > to me... I do not expect this will be any problem for today's Steve Jobs. He is already busy with Pixar, if he feels the need to be the boss of some company. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: wood@cs.dal.ca (Ron Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 22 Dec 1996 13:23:05 GMT Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> Ben Matasar (matasar@teleport.com) wrote: : Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So : presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that : NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. As far as I recall, the Copland kernel was not based on Mach. But --Hullo!-- is there really no one that recalls that Apple has supported the MkLinux project for the past year? (Mk = Mach kernel). Go to Developer World at <http://www.developerworld.apple.com> and look at the MkLinux pages. The kernel for NextStep is already THERE, if not entirely finished. So, they have two kernels to choose from, and one that gives them a fairly rapid path to a developer's release-- 6 months from now at World-Wide Developer's Conference, as Apple has suggested. (It looks like they want to show they can do this quickly and then release to the public in 1998.) -Ronald S. Wood
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Date: 23 Dec 1996 00:02:50 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <587851299369@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTS#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:27:14 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BDDFF2.3495@exnext.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> Reply-To: jon@exnext.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nhv-ct3-24.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Dec 22 5:26:46 PM PST 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.os.linux.advocacy:85715 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:145694 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:170590 comp.unix.advocacy:34442 comp.sys.next.software:26652 comp.sys.next.misc:23647 comp.sys.next.advocacy:45751 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:2485 Lance Togar wrote: >Sooo, he's > still a DWEEB in my book. However, when you consider that I'm probably > outgunned(mouthed) 1.44M to 1, Jobs story will probably continue to be > taken as truth. J You were screwing around, hanging new floppy disks off of a freaking *TRS-80 model 1*, and you call *Steve Jobs* a dweeb? [Sproing!!!] Damn. There goes my brand-new IRONY-O-METER 2000. Just got the thing, too. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 17:24:43 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > different processors by thier Mhz... Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 01:23:18 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bddbc2.31740560@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <ldluther-2212961304070001@dial26a.e-tex.com> ldluther@e-tex.com (Nasty Canasta) wrote: >In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > SNIP > >Yawn all you like. The problem with the Macintosh has never been hardware >related. The PowerMacs are very much superior to anything in the intel >world. Can you say flat memory is superior to segmented memory? I knew you >could. Heck! The even the 68000 had flat memory; which BTW Plentydumbs >still don't have. > >The PowerMac hardware is really solid; the only thing that Apple really >needs is a modern OS that will take advantage of it. > >-- > OK, I'm really into this now. I'll bet you an M0001 that my memory is as flat as yours. Just get your chips out and let's have a look. Must be Plentydumbs are a west coast thing. Never seen any around here. I'll agree that Apple needs a modern OS. Hasn't happened yet, so.... should I run right out and buy a PowerPC and wait? Maybe with your money. Before you write the check, perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain to us all why you think PowerMACs are very superior to anything in the Intel world.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> Distribution: inet Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 18:09:06 GMT In article <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com writes: >In <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> Derek Juntunen wrote: >> Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >> : Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >> : >> : To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >> : http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >> >> Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >> announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >> sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. >> > >I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating >system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an >improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? > A careful reading of the Apple press releases on www.apple.com produces two observations that may shed some light on this question. They are in NeXTspeak code, so I'll paraphrase: NEXTSTEP will be the OS on the Mac while OpenStep will continue to be sold and supported. Capital letters count here, gang. This means that the current plan is to port OpenStep over Mach to the Mac. Second tidbit is that Avie Tevanian will be heading the OS development group. Avie was in on the original development of Mach at Carnegie Mellon. He's a tremendous asset, and is probably _the_ biggest reason why NEXTSTEP has the technological leadership it does. Now, this is just a reading of the tea leaves, but I think it says a lot more than they intended to say. Steve -- Steven M. Boker (219) 631-4941 (office) (219) 631-8883 (fax) boker@virginia.edu http://kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu/steve_boker/ Dept. of Psychology, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 10:10:20 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is my expanded long summary of the whole situation. I will post this at http://www.sfbayrun.com/next/index.html . Later today. January 7, 1997 will be the big date for all of us. It will be the biggest MacWorld in history. Gil's got the ball, now it is time for him to run with it. In San Francisco he will announce Apple's OS strategy. It will hopefully be the day the Mac/Next fights back. Guy Kawasaki the ultimate in Macintosh evangelism predicted this in 1994. Well sorta, it was one of his fantasies: http://www.macworld.com/pages/november.94/Column.991.html . On the subject of Steve Jobs. He is going to be a part time technical advisor to Amelio. Next users always fault Job's management style, and Next's overall style of running a company. I don't think Job's will have much of a say in this one. What he will bring and have is his undying devotion to quality. One of the things that makes Next so stable is that, the NextStep OS, is Steve Jobs baby. It is a quality OS, and most of all stable. As for the Mach Kernel in the Next OS being out of date. Do you guys really think that Apple is going to sit still. to quote Amelio, "This will allow us to innovate for the next ten years, and give the copycats something to copy." If the Next Community is going too merge with the Apple community then you need to start reading up on it. Apple sponsors a number of mailing lists that are wonderful. You can give feedback there, and the top levels of Apple listen. Developers fear not, Heidi Roezen (Sorry I probably crucified the spelling of her name.) is on board as head of developer relations. She is one smart cookie. People call her the canary in the coal mine. If she leaves then were all in trouble. Check out http://devworld.apple.com/ for more info. To quote a MacUser Article at http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/myslewski12.html, the Mach Kernel is : "a fast, mature, and reliable UNIX kernel that supports symmetric multiprocessing, preemptive multitasking, and other "modern OS" features. NeXTStep's Display PostScript architecture could make it ideal for the Mac's core users, the publishing community." Apple has: A strong 26 million user base, with strong markets in multimedia. Apple has established technologies like Quicktime. They have good market share in Education, publishing, content creation, and small business. There development strengths again lay in content development, and multimedia. Future PPCP platform will free many companies to make clones, free's companies form relying on proprietary ASIC's. This will raise the user installed base even more. Power PC Chips are at close to 600 MGHZ, at the moment. They probably will be able to reach a 1GHZ by the end of next year. $50 million in assumed debt from Next, makes a nice tax write off. Disadvantage: Apples current OS, is buggy, and relatively unstable. Much more stable then Windows 95, but not as stable as Windows NT, or plane old UNIX. Next has: A small but loyal following of users. The NextStep/OpenStep OS has Multitasking Memory Protected SMP Network-Ready Object-Oriented Application Model WebObjects Client Server/Based Portable API Excellent UI, possibly a little to much for some though. Penetration in Markets such as Enterprise, Services, and Infrastructure. These are markets that Apple would like to penetrate. Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. Disadvantages: Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up. Kernel needs updating Apple has a great little page on the advantages of the merger: http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q1/961220.pr.rel.chart.html The following is a set of links of everything i could find about the buy out. PC Dictionary definition of NextStep: http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/NextStep.htm MacWeek's Articles: http://www.macweek.com/top_stories/nw_next.html http://www.macweek.com/mw_1049/nw_next.html http://www.macweek.com/mw_1049/op_capsule.html MacUser Article's: http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/gorey25.html http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/myslewski12.html MacAddict: http://www.macaddict.com/news.html History of Steve Jobs http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Jobs.html Wired interview with Steve Jobs http://www.hotwired.com/wired/4.02/features/jobs.html Apple's Press Release: http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q1/961220.pr.rel.next.html Apple's & Next Meet the Press: http://www2.apple.com/home/news/ MacWorld Article: http://www.macworld.com/daily/daily.892.html Next's Merger Page http://www.next.com/Merger/Welcome.html Letter from BE http://www.macintouch.com/beletter.html Ellen Hancock's Letter to developers http://www.macintouch.com/hancockletter.html Mercury News Story: http://cgi.sjmercury.com/business/jobs/ ------------------------ Macintouch, run by Ric Ford, little if anything gets past him: http://www.macintouch.com/ Stepwise Server, the ultimate Next Resource: http://www.stepwise.com/ Apple's Home Page: http://www.apple.com Next's Home Page http://www.next.com -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | SF Bay Area Running Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 96 17:13:25 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEE31CBA-327ED@207.158.11.69> References: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > >I wonder what the acquisition means in terms of the operating > >system: NEXTSTEP UI over MacOS (gak!); Apple UI over Mach; an > >improved version of Mach; a whole new OS? > > A careful reading of the Apple press releases on www.apple.com > produces two observations that may shed some light on this > question. They are in NeXTspeak code, so I'll paraphrase: > > NEXTSTEP will be the OS on the Mac while OpenStep will continue > to be sold and supported. Capital letters count here, gang. > This means that the current plan is to port OpenStep over Mach > to the Mac. I think you are reading into it what YOU want to see... not what might be there. Reporters are netorious for altering words and meanings... and reading what THEY said, and then making assumptions based on those wordings is pretty far out. It might happen to work - but that would likely be just coincidence. I'll wait two more weeks to find out the truth... I would bet that Apple will put it on their own kernal and file system though. > Second tidbit is that Avie Tevanian will be heading the OS development > group. Avie was in on the original development of Mach at > Carnegie Mellon. He's a tremendous asset, and is probably _the_ > biggest reason why NEXTSTEP has the technological leadership it > does. Sounds good. > Now, this is just a reading of the tea leaves, but I think it > says a lot more than they intended to say. I don't know... I could read that whole thing differently. That Apple is going to alter NeXT step and make it Mac only... but have a sub-set of that functionality (OpenStep) that runs on other systems. Not disimilar to say AppleScript - which has a subset contained in OpenDoc... or QuickTime which original supported more functionality (Authoring) on the Mac.... etc., etc... -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this,= Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: michael@tenzo.com (Michael O'Henly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:00:02 -0800 Organization: Tenzo Design Distribution: inet Message-ID: <19961222110002216984@i2-39.islandnet.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> [Crossposts trimmed...] Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > Developers fear not, Heidi Roezen (Sorry I probably crucified the > spelling of her name.) is on board as head of developer relations. She > is one smart cookie. People call her the canary in the coal mine. If she > leaves then were all in trouble. Check out http://devworld.apple.com/ > for more info. She (I'm not going to even attempt to spell her name but I certainly congratulate you for trying) ran T-Maker at the time it was producing WriteNow. WriteNow had the same close connection to NeXT that MacWrite enjoyed with the Mac -- in fact, for a long time WN was part of the NeXT's phenomenal software bundle. Presumably she know whereof she speaks... Michael O'Henly
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 02:21:24 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for >> years before his announcement. > >Are you joking? Or insane? Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed by Apple. >The Macintosh was the first computer ever to use 3.5" floppy drive in january >1984! Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the computer too. >Maybe you started using it on TRS80 in 1990... And have a weak memory... > Well, maybe. When are you going to buy a computer? >--
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 22 Dec 1996 19:19:42 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> Alex (achaney@voicenet.com) wrote: : > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of : > the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows : > NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. And how affordable are those? Any SPARC station would be cooler than that. And a SGI station would be cooler than a SPARC. What's your point? And when NeXT/Apple OS runs, it'll be on a RISC chip. The one thing that workstation industry thought will never happen in desktop industry. And the success was made possible on an allience project. PowerPC is still at an unrealized stage, NeXT/Apple OS will lift it.
From: ldluther@e-tex.com (Nasty Canasta) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 13:04:07 -0600 Organization: Drink Pepsi & DIE! Distribution: inet Message-ID: <ldluther-2212961304070001@dial26a.e-tex.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > years before his announcement. Apple, the insanely friendly computer > company who continues to charge grade schools $140 to fix 140K (that's > K) Apple II disk drives. Fact is Apple's in it for the bucks just like > MS and the rest. Some of their stuff is good - some isn't - just like > MS. As always, Apple hardware continues to be over priced and not that > great to begin with. The Apple down home, built in the backyard crap > smells funny when you look at a 1977 Apple "disk controller (not > really - but they called it that)" card that was made in Singapore. > In closing..... YAWN...... Yawn all you like. The problem with the Macintosh has never been hardware related. The PowerMacs are very much superior to anything in the intel world. Can you say flat memory is superior to segmented memory? I knew you could. Heck! The even the 68000 had flat memory; which BTW Plentydumbs still don't have. The PowerMac hardware is really solid; the only thing that Apple really needs is a modern OS that will take advantage of it. -- From the Catbird's seat, high atop the world's tallest concrete water tower... "Ex Luna & Astris Scientia" Larry Dean Luther Luther Cybernautics Tyler, Texas 95 deg 19 min W, 32 deg 21 min N ldluther@e-tex.com _____________________________________________________________________ While it's true that two wrongs don't make a right, it's equally true that two Wrights can make an airplane. _____________________________________________________________________
From: Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:35:28 -0800 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BD8D80.4DE0@netcom.ca> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59jlt1$r3l@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: > > In <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca>, wood@cs.dal.ca (Ron Wood) writes: > >Ben Matasar (matasar@teleport.com) wrote: > > > >: Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So > >: presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that > >: NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. > > > >As far as I recall, the Copland kernel was not based on Mach. But > >--Hullo!-- is there really no one that recalls that Apple has supported > >the MkLinux project for the past year? (Mk = Mach kernel). Go to Developer > >World at <http://www.developerworld.apple.com> and look at the MkLinux > >pages. The kernel for NextStep is already THERE, if not entirely finished. > >So, they have two kernels to choose from, and one that gives them a fairly > >rapid path to a developer's release-- 6 months from now at World-Wide > >Developer's Conference, as Apple has suggested. (It looks like they want > >to show they can do this quickly and then release to the public in 1998.) > > > >-Ronald S. Wood > > By george that's a good observation. On top of that the MKLinux kernel already > runs on a variety of Power Macs. They can indeed do a rapid port to the Power > Mac platform. Why choose? Now Apple has two OS possibilities, just like MS, and one already runs on the far more popular x86 series, so Apple has an "in" into the corporate MIS market which has always been its Achilles heel, a it can use the Copland kernel for its PPC-only offerings.
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 19:43:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> wood@cs.dal.ca (Ron Wood) wrote: > Ben Matasar (matasar@teleport.com) wrote: > > : Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So > : presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that > : NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. > > As far as I recall, the Copland kernel was not based on Mach. But > --Hullo!-- is there really no one that recalls that Apple has supported > the MkLinux project for the past year? (Mk = Mach kernel). Go to Developer > World at <http://www.developerworld.apple.com> and look at the MkLinux > pages. The kernel for NextStep is already THERE, if not entirely finished. From my perspective (first computer owned - Mac 512K, only other - NeXTcube, extensive UNIX experience, never used a MS product until an NT PC showed up on my desk recently), Apple will need to do a lot of work to cover up UNIX that's the personality of OPENSTEP/Mach. NeXT did a fair job, but a Terminal window containing a UNIX shell prompt is a common sight under OPENSTEP/Mach when system administration tasks need to be performed. Mac administrators probably wouldn't be happy with this approach, although it's VERY NICE to be able to get under the covers, something that was nearly impossible with my old Mac. MS has done a much better job of covering up NT's complexity which is similar to that of UNIX. Unfortunately, the GUI that NT uses for system administration and just getting common things done is very disorganized, scattered about all over the place, and non-intuitive. And avoiding the GUI and getting under NT's covers is very difficult because that means interacting with DOS and the very limited functionality provided by DOS utilities. We have found NT to be a very deficient system compared with UNIX because so much is missing and must be purchased from 3rd parties to get functionality equivalent to UNIX. So much for NT being a less expensive OS. So Apple needs to enhance OPENSTEP/Mach to diminish the need to resort to command-line interactions, something NeXT probably just didn't have the resources to do. And then there's the issue of Mach's UNIX personality being based on BSD UNIX, the final release of which occurred a couple of years ago. System V UNIX is dominant, so OPENSTEP/Mach is becoming quite different and dated. Will Apple replace the BSD personality with one based on System V so that their new OS will be truly up-to-date? Apple will need to trim down OPENSTEP/Mach considerably unless its customers are willing to upgrade the memory on their machines considerably. 32 MB seems minimal with OPENSTEP/Mach. I've got 64 MB in my old Cube and still page to disk occasionally. What will Apple cut out? Lots of unknowns remain. How long will Steve Jobs report to someone else? He just doesn't seem to like to work FOR anyone else. Smells like trouble ahead to me... -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 20:20:51 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59k573$mrn@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) wrote: > A careful reading of the Apple press releases on www.apple.com > produces two observations that may shed some light on this > question. They are in NeXTspeak code, so I'll paraphrase: > > NEXTSTEP will be the OS on the Mac while OpenStep will continue > to be sold and supported. Capital letters count here, gang. > This means that the current plan is to port OpenStep over Mach > to the Mac. Those who have been with NeXT for a long time knows that in the past the meanings of the various terms have changed, and they could be changing yet again with this merger. I would not read too much into the above press release. Now, your prediction may very well be right, but it could just as easily be wrong. NeXTSTEP (I refuse to change the capitalization) could just mean "OpenStep delivered with an operating system", and that operating system could include the kernel from Copland or mklinux. > Second tidbit is that Avie Tevanian will be heading the OS > development group. Avie was in on the original development of > Mach at Carnegie Mellon. He's a tremendous asset, and is probably > _the_ biggest reason why NEXTSTEP has the technological leadership > it does. This is true, but it also doesn't give us any clues as to what the new OS will really look like. If mklinux or Copland is based on Mach, then Avie is still a great person to be leading up the OS development group. For that matter, if it was based on string and old gum he'd *still* be a great asset to the OS development group. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 13:54:15 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fastest Power PC chips available right now are running something like 586 MGHZ. They will be available in March of 1997. Tzu-Lun Lin wrote: > > Alex (achaney@voicenet.com) wrote: > > : > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of > : > the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows > : > NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. > > And how affordable are those? Any SPARC station would be cooler than that. > And a SGI station would be cooler than a SPARC. What's your point? > > And when NeXT/Apple OS runs, it'll be on a RISC chip. The one thing that > workstation industry thought will never happen in desktop industry. And > the success was made possible on an allience project. PowerPC is still at > an unrealized stage, NeXT/Apple OS will lift it. -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | The Next Apple Page http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/next --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Kris & Scott Gant" <sgant@interaccess.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:02:29 GMT Organization: Magic Pixel Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> happy2@home.com wrote > Image a state of the art operating system being swallowed by the > mis-Management at Apple; This may be more a question of how long it > takes Apple to screw Next OS up enough to rename it Copeland. I hate > to beat this drum, but Apple has f___-ed up more talent and promising > software developments over the past 15 years than any company has a > right to, and I predict that, 1. they'll do it again; or, 2. Jobs > will regain his sanity and do a buy-back before it's too late and NeXT > OS becomes "What's Next" or What's left. All of this thrusts the BE > OS to the forefront and I pray they have enough cents to avoid the > Core. I believe this was the past, under the old management. You have to remember, if Apple was still like they were, they wouldn't even have acquired NeXT....they would still be working on Copeland! I honestly believe they have been humbled.....losing millions and millions of dollars and having shareholders screaming at you tends to do that. The new management at Apple is there to turn the company around, NOT drive it into the ground. They know they have to deliver this time. There is no second chance anymore. They are near their make-or-break point as it is. Just reading the name NeXT and Apple in the same sentence had me ready to throw this NT box I'm writing this on out the window! I love Apple hardware and have always loved NeXT. I mean, this is a match I've dreamed about before....(geez...that's pretty sick to think that I dream of computer systems....I need to get out more).
From: "Aaron T. Dingus" <ivy@erinet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need help with NeSTSTEP 3.3 for Intel Installation Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:06:11 -0500 Organization: Mail to Usenet Gateway Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961223025420.0066ac4c@erinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: comp.sys.next.misc@myriad.alias.net Seasons greetings, I am installing NextSTEP 3.3 for Intel on a system and it is not working, and I could use some advice. The Intel Pentium/133 machine has a 850MB EIDE HD as primary master, and a 6X IDE CD (an NEC model 280) as primary slave off a PCI controller fixed on a Triton II based MB. The CD works fine under DOS/Windows95 for both music and data. I select the Adaptec154x series the CD-ROM controller, as the NextAnswers documents say to . I then use the additional drivers diskette to select EIDE/ATAPI as the HD controller, also as the NextAnswers say to. It then shows a graphical window to a terminal, and says that it detects an ATA drive as well as ATAPI device 1. Eventually it shows the model name of the CD-ROM correctly. Then the fun begins. It says that it "cannot read a packet from device 1, Retrying..." . It then waits about 2 minutes, and tries again to the same avail. After about 7 tries, it attempts to mount the CD anyway and has a kernal panic. A couple of things else: - I have tried the current beta drivers for 154x and EIDE/ATAPI - they produce a message that is similar if not completey identical to the mesage created by the old EIDE/ATAPI drivers. - I have changed the BIOS settings in every way imaginable with regards to PIO and etc. - The NextAnswers document lists some NEC models as having known incompatiblities with the EIDE/ATAPI driver. It doesn't list this CD-ROM's exact model number however. At this point I am willing to try another CD-ROM if I have to, but I want to be certain that this one is the source of the problem first. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated, as I trying to get NextSTEP up and running on this machine ASAP. Happy Holidays, Aaron T. Dingus ivy@erinet.com _______ Aaron T. Dingus, ivy@erinet.com "Mistakes are, after all, the foundations of truth, and if a man does not know what a thing is, it is at least an increase in knowledge if he knows what it is not." Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P. 429
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 19:22:16 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2212961922160001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> In article <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Yes I did mean 3.5" drive and I did mean TRS-80. In fact it was a > TRS-80 Model I. Using and getting it was simple. I bought one from a > distributor along with a cable adapter and plugged it into my disk > controller. Well, Apple never claimed to have 'invented' the 3.5 inch drive. We certainly were the first machine to ship with one. Buying one, one your own, and hooking it up, does not in any way invalidate the invoation of deciding to take the risk of converting to it. Now the whole industry uses them. Oh well...... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 19:27:33 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> In article <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, > color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the > computer too. Nope, we never claimed such. Steve Jobs had a 'famous' trip to Xerox where he became sold on the idea of GUI, etc. Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights to many of their windowing/mice ideas. We never invented the above, but we _absolutely_ have the right to claim we brought GUI, mice, and laser printers to a large mass market. In our first month of Mac sales we had more mouse based/windowing machines in the field than the rest of the planet combined. Oh well.... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 03:53:16 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bdfffb.41014421@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> <32BDDFF2.3495@exnext.com> "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> wrote: >Lance Togar wrote: >>Sooo, he's >> still a DWEEB in my book. However, when you consider that I'm probably >> outgunned(mouthed) 1.44M to 1, Jobs story will probably continue to be >> taken as truth. J > >You were screwing around, hanging new floppy disks off of a >freaking *TRS-80 model 1*, and you call *Steve Jobs* a dweeb? > Well, *I* leaned how they worked from the experience and seem to be in the minority in that regard. Actually dweeb is probably inexact. Jobs is probably the best PR dude I've ever seen in action. He could sell anything to anyone and has proven it. His dweebness IS probably in question. > > >Damn. There goes my brand-new IRONY-O-METER 2000. Just got >the thing, too. > Yup, I got one of those too - mine works fine. > >-- >Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. >OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati >http://www.steeldriving.com > Are you the guys doing a Model I Delphi port? >
From: ericu@execpc.com (ericu ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 23 Dec 1996 04:30:54 GMT Organization: Bovine Detonation Specialists Message-ID: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> It occurs to me that there is a prayer we should all say as the Mac OS moves toward MacSteP... Let there be as few and seldom the attacks of evil virus programmers as the Mac has so far suffered, particularly when compared to WinDoze. And please, let us keep the blessing of our patron saint... John Norstad. May he continue to disinfect with fervor any bugs that MacSteP might suffer. With that said... Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state of evil virui in that part of the hex universe? ericu -- -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- "It is impolite to speak with your mouth full. It should be impolite to speak with you brain empty." -= Kai Krause =- ericu@execpc.com -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-
From: walker@lavalamp.mnscorp.com (Art Walker) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 04:49:18 GMT Organization: Internet Integration Services - Omaha, NE Distribution: inet Message-ID: <slrn5bs3lu.4b.walker@lavalamp.mnscorp.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <32BBD626.2EB5@jetcity.com> On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:20:54 +0000, Todd Griffith <ttgriff@jetcity.com> wrote: >NT is not considered a mature modern operating system like Next is. By whom, the buying public? -Art -- Art Walker | Internet: Art.Walker@mnscorp.com Network Analyst | Snail Mail: 1941 South 42nd Street Midwest Network Solutions Corp. | Suite 528 (402) 346-7687 F:(402) 346-8838 | Omaha, NE 68105-2939
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 23 Dec 1996 04:49:21 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59l30h$ohd@news4.digex.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> ericu@execpc.com (ericu ) wrote: > Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state of evil virui in that part of the hex universe? To date, I don't believe there has been a single virus. TOUCH WOOD. COUNT BEADS :) I hope that doesn't change. There are some inherent safties working in NEXTSTEP that make it a little less likely to kill everything by virus (specifically the unix permissions and user accounts). -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Info on NeXT hardware? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:48:30 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680002212962248300001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Could anyone point me to the best resources for info about all NeXT hardware? Web or otherwise. thanks john --- - ------- ------- Music is a higher revelation than philosophy. - Beethoven jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 23 Dec 1996 05:36:12 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <59l5oc$oiq@duke.squonk.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> ericu@execpc.com (ericu ) wrote: > It occurs to me that there is a prayer we should all say as the > Mac OS moves toward MacSteP... Let there be as few and seldom > the attacks of evil virus programmers as the Mac has so far > suffered, particularly when compared to WinDoze. And please, let > us keep the blessing of our patron saint... John Norstad. May he > continue to disinfect with fervor any bugs that MacSteP might > suffer. > > With that said... > > Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state > of evil virui in that part of the hex universe? This is where the unix base of NeXTSTEP helps out. We just don't have the same kind of viruses that DOS/Windows or the Mac has. You can't get a virus by simply insertting a floppy into a drive. Now, you can get into trouble if you install a program that knows to do nasty things, but that's a different matter. And if you do install such a program, chances are good it will only mess up your files, and not the system files necessary for booting up. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:45:23 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support > SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently > was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree on. Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that Next supports SMP. -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | The NeXT Apple Page http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/next/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ ---------------------------------------------------------
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 05:47:48 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2312960049330001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> In article <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>, rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: > The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much > better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at > 200 - 300 Mhz. Hit Evangelist at about the same time. Guy devoted pages of official announcements of exactly what was happening. He seems very happy. :) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 07:03:58 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> In-Reply-To: <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: >John Kheit wrote: > > >> The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support >> SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently >> was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. > >I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree on. >Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that Next >supports SMP. TRUE - NeXT supports SMP (OpenStep for NT works fine with SMP and who knows what they have in house for experimental PPC kernels) FALSE - The Mach kernel currently used by NeXTSTEP and OpenStep/Mach supports SMP. The two statements are neither exclusive nor contradictory. --
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 05:58:53 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2312960100380001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> In article <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: > And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. > Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that > failed... > The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) IBM. PPC-NT. Not! This is not a partnership, it is the return of the prodigal sparkplug. How could it fail? More to the point, take a moment to look at the publicity value... Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 06:09:28 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> In article <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess>, "Kris & Scott Gant" <sgant@interaccess.com> wrote: > Just reading the name NeXT and Apple in the same sentence had me ready to > throw this NT box I'm writing this on out the window! I love Apple hardware > and have always loved NeXT. I mean, this is a match I've dreamed about > before....(geez...that's pretty sick to think that I dream of computer > systems....I need to get out more). Sell it, man! Quick! Here, I'll help- 'NeXT and Apple suddenly lock together with serious enthusiasm on both sides- a kernel that'll run NeXT already _exists_ (see MkLinux info)- the designer largely responsible for the technological superiority of NeXT is named as the one who will head the OS team... Don't throw that NT box out the window! _Sell_ it quick. To somebody that hasn't heard. Or someone who hasn't seen even a NeXT screenshot. Be quick, the opportunity might vanish _real_ quick if I'm reading things right. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Power up options Date: 23 Dec 1996 08:25:37 GMT Organization: Personal Message-ID: <59lfm1$4a8@rumah.pc.my> I have 2 slabs... one running NS3.0 & one with NS3.2. The 3.0 slab has the timed power-on & auto power up after a power failure preference. When clicking the power on option on the NS3.2 slab it says "Not Applicable." Is there a difference in the hardware so that one of these boxes is capable of auto-power on & the other is not, or is there a difference in the versions of NS, or is it something else again? TIA -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 10:13:22 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Philosophy, Utrecht University, The Netherlands Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59lifi$gj3@larry.serv.phil.ruu.nl> References: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <AEE31CBA-327ED@207.158.11.69> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David: >I'll wait two more weeks to find out the truth... I would bet that >Apple will put it on their own kernal and file system though. No! Oh, no, please, no! Not the MacOS file system... no, please, no! Freek
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 08:58:45 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59lhk5$oiq@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > John Kheit wrote: > > > The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support > > SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach > > inherently was designed for such things, but right now it's > > not there. > > I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree > on. Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that > Next supports SMP. I haven't checked the page you're looking at, but note that Apple could very well be talking about what they intend to have for "MacStep" (their new OS), and that MacStep could have a different kernel than NeXTSTEP does. It also could be that the issue with the current NeXTSTEP kernel is just a matter of compiling it with the multi-processor support turned on. Certainly with it turned off, the kernel isn't SMP :-) I imagine this is one of those details that we'll have to wait a bit more to find out the real information on. Perhaps at MacWorld. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: bw@tiac.net (Bruce Wyman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: one vs. many - sys 7.5 compatability box Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:10:13 -0500 Organization: USD, Inc. Message-ID: <bw-2312960710130001@usd.tiac.net> I know that one of the things that was still up in the air in the last month was whether or not older system 7.5 apps were going to launch in a single sys 7.5 box or if each sys 7.5 app would spawn a seperate box. It's sounding more and more like the final result will be a single 7.5 box to keep the allocation of resources to a minimum but then if a single 7.5 app crashes, everything else in that box is in danger. So, I have to wonder out of innocence, why not have a system that allows you to do both depending upon user preference? For example, say I have a piece of 7.5 software, which I know may crash my machine (netscape with a bunch of plugins comes to mind), why couldn't I just cmd-double-click the application to make it start in it's own seperate 7.5 box? All other 7.5 apps that I'd start would by default run in the "default" 7.5 box. That way, if netscape were to crash, I wouldn't lose that detailed strategy memo for tomorrow's big meeting. I mean, if I have gobs of memory, is it possible that I could have the best of both worlds? Or is there some sort of obvious limitation in the way that the compatability box would be executed taht precludes the possibility of the other appraoch? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bruce Wyman bwyman@neaq.org / bw@tiac.net Webmaster, New England Aquarium <http://www.neaq.org/> "I like reality, It tastes of bread." -J. Aliyoueh
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 12:20:57 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> In-Reply-To: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: > The NextStep/OpenStep OS has > Please differentiate between NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, and OpenStep for Mach. > SMP > No, not in its current incarnation. > Excellent UI, possibly a little to much for some though. > In what ways? > Penetration in Markets such as Enterprise, Services, and Infrastructure. > These are markets that Apple would like to penetrate. > > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. > Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz was only available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. > Disadvantages: > Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up. > Unix is an *advantage*. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Where to go Macinstep Date: 23 Dec 1996 13:40:25 GMT Organization: Vienna University, Austria Message-ID: <59m249$r70@www.univie.ac.at> I think Apple should try to keep things very simple when putting NeXTStep on the Mac. I remember when they first ported the 68k base to Intel they ended up taking more than a year until all the device drivers were there. Now, although I'm not sure how many main variants of the Mac there are (PCI etc.) this will surely be time consuming. In my opinion they should focus on getting Quicktime there, give Mach a rock-solid Java implementation and work on all the multimedia extensions which are not in Mach/NeXTStep as of yet (what about resurrecting Music Kit BTW). I hope they will go with the obvious of using Mach 3, in a let's say enabled for two a processor configuration initially. Giving it 'plug&play' type processor add on with all the task-level tools could be in a later release. Things appear more difficult with all the BSD 4.3 around it; I guess all work on it at NeXT has stopped some time ago and everything from sendmail to lpd need updates. I'm wondering if CMU people are still doing work on Mach. The NeXTSTep/OpenStep AE should be left as it is; adding things initially would unwrap the 'batteries-included' type of deal Apple got and throw them back into actual OS development. DPS is a real plus (if I were Apple I'd make a big point of it... first time Postscript on screen and not only on printer...) The user interface and workspace manager are fine; they are sufficiently different from the Mac which is good since the innovator type folks Apple is positioned for want to see some real new things from time to time. They should, however, hide away the unix administrative and developer stuff better and everything that has to do with a unix shell. Otherwise, the press will be full of mac goes unix type comments. Still, there is *significant opportunity in a cloaked unix: for the first time, Apple could make a real shot at the corporate market; within about 1.5 years the major unix apps could be up on the market for Apple HW. Imagine Apple pitching industry-strength DB/Application/Intranet servers combined with true ease of use (better than Windoze) workstations. In addition, they will need to work on a whole new easy to use tool set a la Mac (printer and network for admin persons is almost there, but mail and all the IP stuff will have to be much easier). In a word, I think, they should essentially freeze Mach/NextStep while putting the spices on the new platform. The efforts can then better focus on bringing software developers to deliver for the Macinstep. Best Regards, Michael Alexander Doctoral Student at the University of Vienna [NeXT Mail accepted] -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCNAzIhxYwAAAEEALtfkL/X6GuZpEECWnmkmbqqtGwNalb94Om82VUiBE8iU1OX 2e5WXQGsq1oManSqVQn3TpVo7VE9pMJr5vITAmkEA6szGRt5zbK5u/dIqhLnJnRE sVpiY61Xw6RvQKoXX7LSqOYSCqvIiY8GJ5gRpiKQNPZVuJRqbLipmU0fPqylAAUR tDFNaWNoYWVsIEYuIEFsZXhhbmRlciA8YTkwNTA3NTZAdW5ldC51bml2aWUuYWMu YXQ+iQCVAwUQMiHFjbipmU0fPqylAQGy4QP+LjB6lZXVYFZDpoVB7j8AGvkghSsr XicZapXPmsFX6xpt+S29EF4DGoDJIDq6VLJMZ2rQ1gFfEvvWzL7ekZ3orhLSpJoO WWRZF1MNZVWBNhzxBcdK2T6yrx4cBwQX7t299Ho0y1Go69VE9e3LN8YInIXoQYp5 bc4M0u16GqmV5eI= =5l49 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 02:01:59 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BE2E67.7482@exnext.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Vincent wrote: > > John Kheit wrote: > > > The current version of Mach used under NEXTSTEP does NOT support > > SMP. Likely it's easy enough to put in there, since Mach inherently > > was designed for such things, but right now it's not there. > > I find that this is the the thorniest point no person can agree on. > Apple has put on there web site, on the advantages page that Next > supports SMP. Undoubtedly, Apple has seen things in NeXT's labs that we commoners haven't seen. A vestigial version of NeXTSTEP was running on a dual PowerPC box, just barely enough to run a NeXT Asteroids game called Xox. I don't know if that was an SMP box, though. Perhaps they've done more work on SMP since then. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 14:29:21 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m501$blr@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In comp.sys.next.advocacy mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: : On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: : > The NextStep/OpenStep OS has [...] : > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. : > : Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz was only : available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. Mathematica 3.0 does run on NeXTSTEP/Intel, m68k and HPPA (at least, these were the versions on the demo-CD) -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:25:58 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32be8c9e.34691632@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961922160001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > >> Yes I did mean 3.5" drive and I did mean TRS-80. In fact it was a >> TRS-80 Model I. Using and getting it was simple. I bought one from a >> distributor along with a cable adapter and plugged it into my disk >> controller. > >Well, Apple never claimed to have 'invented' the 3.5 inch drive. > Check the archives, look through some old Bytes. It was said more than once. > >We certainly were the first machine to ship with one. > The point is that I had a choice. I and everyone else who had computers with standard disk controllers could use 3.5" drives IF we wanted to. Apple's decision to ship the MAC with their version of the drive meant that MAC users had no choice whatever. > >Buying one, one your own, and hooking it up, does not in any >way invalidate the invoation of deciding to take the risk of >converting to it. Now the whole industry uses them. > What risk? As I've pointed out, the 3.5" drive had been around for a while. Apple paid Sony to modify the drive in such a way that it could ONLY be used with MACs. Turned out the modified drive was far less realible than the idustry standard model but what the heck - when it crapped out there was (and still is) only one place to get. Apple could and did charge whatever they pleased which is really the point - isn't it. Real innovation would've meant dumping the IWM (it was long since time), using a real disk controller and industry standard drives. The whole industry (except Apple) was moving to the industry standard 3.5" drive anyway. Do you think the drive I bought was custom made for me?
From: svhst+@pitt.edu (Shawn Hernan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 14:43:29 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m5qh$27s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <E2tuF7.548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <AEE31CBA-327ED@207.158.11.69> <59lifi$gj3@larry.serv.phil.ruu.nl> In article <59lifi$gj3@larry.serv.phil.ruu.nl>, Freek Wiedijk <freek@phil.ruu.nl> wrote: >David: >No! Oh, no, please, no! Not the MacOS file system... no, please, >no! Well, give me the MacOS file system semantics, but just please good do a better job with performance and stability. Shawn
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:42:59 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > >> Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, >> color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the >> computer too. > > Snip > Steve Jobs had a 'famous' trip to Xerox where he became sold on the idea of GUI, etc. > Ah... some truth. >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. > Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. >We never invented the above, but we _absolutely_ have the right >to claim we brought GUI, mice, and laser printers to a large >mass market. In our first month of Mac sales we had more mouse >based/windowing machines in the field than the rest of the >planet combined. > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because we haven't seen the light. Oh well....
From: afcmarc@aol.com (AFC Marc) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 15:03:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19961223150201.KAA13610@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> >Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So >presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it that >NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. Apple built a their own kernal called NuKernal. I believe that it's similar to Mach 3 but it's not Mach. However, the idea of putting OpenStep on NuKernal has been thrown around (not by anyone from Apple, of course). NuKernal is better suited to Macintosh systems. Does Next run on notebooks? This was one of the subjects brought up about BeOS - it won't run on a notebook. --Marc Respass
From: michael@tenzo.com (Michael O'Henly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GNU vs. Apple (was: NextStep OS) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:28:33 -0800 Organization: Tenzo Design Message-ID: <199612230728332472532@i2-26.islandnet.com> References: <32BAF054.389C@rhea-and-kaiser.com> <dscott-ya023080002012961831160001@news.texas.net> <59fhjq$ioj@news.bctel.net> <sjonke-2112960036380001@outside.jagunet.com> <59grop$s7@news.acns.nwu.edu> <woody-2112961510090001@192.0.2.1> <59l7c4$14c@crl12.crl.com> Phil Stripling <philip@crl.com> wrote: > From what I've read in a day or two browsing the Next pages, such UNIX > stuff as GNU emacs, vi, etc. compile and run under NeXTStep... [...] Can someone please post an update on GNU's jihad against Apple? Are we still computa non grata? Michael O'Henly
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 15:46:06 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m9fu$ccf@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <59m501$blr@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> In-Reply-To: <59m501$blr@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> On 12/23/96, Axel Habermann wrote: > In comp.sys.next.advocacy mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > : Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz was > : only available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. > > Mathematica 3.0 does run on NeXTSTEP/Intel, m68k and HPPA (at least, > these were the versions on the demo-CD) > My apologies -- I did look for it briefly in the bumf I was sent by Wolfram re 3.0, but I guess I was too brief. Wingz, though... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: jdawson@mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: one vs. many - sys 7.5 compatability box Date: Mon, 23 Dec 96 16:28:34 GMT Organization: Dawson Computer Services Message-ID: <59mbt1$rl1@kirin.wwa.com> References: <bw-2312960710130001@usd.tiac.net> In article <bw-2312960710130001@usd.tiac.net>, bw@tiac.net (Bruce Wyman) wrote: >I know that one of the things that was still up in the air in the last >month was whether or not older system 7.5 apps were going to launch in a >single sys 7.5 box or if each sys 7.5 app would spawn a seperate box. > >It's sounding more and more like the final result will be a single 7.5 box >to keep the allocation of resources to a minimum but then if a single 7.5 >app crashes, everything else in that box is in danger. > >So, I have to wonder out of innocence, why not have a system that allows >you to do both depending upon user preference? For example, say I have a >piece of 7.5 software, which I know may crash my machine (netscape with a >bunch of plugins comes to mind), why couldn't I just cmd-double-click the >application to make it start in it's own seperate 7.5 box? All other 7.5 >apps that I'd start would by default run in the "default" 7.5 box. That >way, if netscape were to crash, I wouldn't lose that detailed strategy >memo for tomorrow's big meeting. > >I mean, if I have gobs of memory, is it possible that I could have the >best of both worlds? Or is there some sort of obvious limitation in the >way that the compatability box would be executed taht precludes the >possibility of the other appraoch? > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Bruce Wyman bwyman@neaq.org / bw@tiac.net >Webmaster, New England Aquarium <http://www.neaq.org/> > "I like reality, It tastes of bread." -J. Aliyoueh IMHO thats what they should do. Its how NT handles Windows 3.1 Apps. By default all 16 bit apps under winnt run in a single WOW (Windows On Windows) session. But you can set up a 16 bit app to run in its own session. Like you said, makes for a more stable environment. jerald dawson dawson computer services
From: shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu (Shimpei Yamashita) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU vs. Apple (was: NextStep OS) Date: 23 Dec 1996 08:42:11 -0800 Organization: California Institute of Technology Message-ID: <59mcp3$5c6@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> References: <32BAF054.389C@rhea-and-kaiser.com> <woody-2112961510090001@192.0.2.1> <59l7c4$14c@crl12.crl.com> <199612230728332472532@i2-26.islandnet.com> In article <199612230728332472532@i2-26.islandnet.com>, Michael O'Henly <michael@tenzo.com> wrote: >Phil Stripling <philip@crl.com> wrote: > >> From what I've read in a day or two browsing the Next pages, such UNIX >> stuff as GNU emacs, vi, etc. compile and run under NeXTStep... > >[...] > >Can someone please post an update on GNU's jihad against Apple? Are we >still computa non grata? > It was quietly withdrawn early last year when Apple's last remnants of the lawsuits were dismissed. Recent FSF software packages no longer come with that APPLE file delineating the reasons for the boycott (well, at least the ones I've looked at recently don't). -- Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.cco.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/> Graduate Student, Caltech Dept. of Physics shimpei@socrates.caltech.edu
From: dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 23 Dec 1996 17:23:01 GMT Organization: Software Munitions Message-ID: <59mf5l$smu@Holly.aa.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59l30h$ohd@news4.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <59l30h$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: | ericu@execpc.com (ericu ) wrote: | > Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state of evil | virui in that part of the hex universe? | | To date, I don't believe there has been a single virus. TOUCH WOOD. COUNT | BEADS :) I hope that doesn't change. There are some inherent safties | working in NEXTSTEP that make it a little less likely to kill everything by | virus (specifically the unix permissions and user accounts). A few years ago, before the "Protected EPS Display" option in Preferences, people were e-mailing EPS code that, when the recipient clicked on the message, caused the code to execute on the window server. One of the more famous ones is where all of the windows would drop to the bottom of the screen, bounce, then fall off. To my knowledge there were no cases of damage (I believe the worst thing one can do is to consume all VM or not release the display). -dpg
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 17:50:32 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59mgp8$in@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. > > > Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2) which only means that you are not aware of 3.0 for NEXTSTEP which is out for some time now :-) Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: David Andel <david@nexttoyou.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 17:26:05 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU (http://www.nexttoyou.de) Message-ID: <59mfbd$62d@colossus.nexttoyou.de> References: <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > On 12/22/96, Thomas Vincent wrote: [...] > > Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the > > Next OS. > > > Not Mma 3.0 (as far as I'm aware the last version was 2.2); Wingz > was only available on the NeXT hardware, many years ago. Sorry mmalcolm, but you're not only always forgetting to mention OneVision, the finest DTP package available :-), this time you've also missed the fact that Mathematica 3.0 *is* available for NEXTSTEP and has been released even before the OS/2 version. David Andel (NEXTTOYOU magazine) -- "...he said Captain, I said wot" (Captain Sensible)
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 23 Dec 1996 15:07:18 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <59m776$s1r@white.koehntopp.de> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> ericu@execpc.com (ericu ) writes: >Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state of evil >virui in that part of the hex universe? Like any operating system that is based on Unix access permissions, there is little a Virus can do to infect system programs. There are write protects enforced by the operating system on almost everything, which is pretty efficient in containing damage. There are also programs that have to be part of a C2 security package (which Nextstep does not have) or freely available, which can be used to monitor changes in file data or attributes. There are no known Next virii. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Microsoft seems to have gotten a lot of mileage out of the C2 rating for NT with no network connection. I wonder if a B3 rating for Linux with no power cord might be of value." -- James Riordan, linux.dev.kernel
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 15:12:44 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59m7hc$s26@white.koehntopp.de> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: >I don't think they necessarily need to. If they put out a BSD-style >Unix, then that unix is very likely going to be the unix platform >with the largest volume -- by a huge margin. There is tons of Linux and Solaris out there. Anyway: If you put out a unixish operating system in 1997, you most definitely want it to be posixly correct (Nt is!), Unix'95 branded (NT is!) and C2 certified (NT is!) or you are bound to lose. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Microsoft seems to have gotten a lot of mileage out of the C2 rating for NT with no network connection. I wonder if a B3 rating for Linux with no power cord might be of value." -- James Riordan, linux.dev.kernel
From: bumvan@infi.net (L. Shelton Bumgarner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.politics.kibo Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:55:30 GMT Organization: InfiNet Message-ID: <59mkjf$c9k@nw101.infi.net> References: <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <19961223150201.KAA13610@ladder01.news.aol.com> afcmarc@aol.com (AFC Marc) wrote: >>Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So >>presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it >that >>NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. >Apple built a their own kernal called NuKernal. I believe that it's >similar to Mach 3 but it's not Mach. However, the idea of putting OpenStep >on NuKernal has been thrown around (not by anyone from Apple, of course). >NuKernal is better suited to Macintosh systems. Does Next run on >notebooks? This was one of the subjects brought up about BeOS - it won't >run on a notebook. I was wondering about that. Be seemed to be, from all that I'd read about it, the perfect thing for Apple to go for. I feel kinda bad for Apple right now. I guess Linux is The Last Best Hope for those who don't wanna pay Wintel. -l -- L. Shelton Bumgarner Journalist/Photographer "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED." - Robert E. McElwaine
From: lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 15:26:21 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Distribution: inet Message-ID: <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just > sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because > we haven't seen the light. True. Also, the reason nine out and ten computer purchases are not Mac's is that Apple did not licence the operating system back in 1984. -- ____________________________________________________ Dave Lewis lewisda@tuns.ca www.tuns.ca/~lewisda ____________________________________________________
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:32:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <59mmo8$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) wrote: > TRUE - NeXT supports SMP (OpenStep for NT works fine with SMP and > who knows what they have in house for experimental PPC kernels) But the NT kernel provides SMP capabilities which has nothing to do with OPENSTEP/NT. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt that OPENSTEP/NT knows or cares whether it's running on 1 or more CPUs. OPENSTEP/NT isn't an operating system, has no kernel, and is only an execution environment. > FALSE - The Mach kernel currently used by NeXTSTEP and OpenStep/Mach > supports SMP. The above is true, well, I mean, false is true :-) But NeXT engineers have stated that NEXTSTEP/Mach running on the dual PPC workstation that was to replace the m68k workstations was a true SMP architecture, so the Mach kernel certainly can support SMP. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:35:16 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <59mmtk$eah@news.digifix.com> References: <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <19961223150201.KAA13610@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19961223150201.KAA13610@ladder01.news.aol.com> On 12/23/96, AFC Marc wrote: >>Well, Copland was also going to be based on the Mach kernel... So >>presumably Apple has some of the work done already. Also, word has it >that >>NeXT-OS systems have been spotted on PowerPC hardware already at NeXT HQ. > >Apple built a their own kernal called NuKernal. I believe that it's >similar to Mach 3 but it's not Mach. However, the idea of putting OpenStep >on NuKernal has been thrown around (not by anyone from Apple, of course). >NuKernal is better suited to Macintosh systems. Does Next run on >notebooks? This was one of the subjects brought up about BeOS - it won't >run on a notebook. OpenStep does run on Notebooks. I'm not terribly concerned about what underlying kernel get used. Avie is heading up the OS group now, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing. Remember that NeXT has been a company focused on putting out products now for a few years. They aren't writing papers and planning grand alliances with IBM. They're putting the features that MCCA accounts have needed into the OS. Many of those features can trickle down nicely. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Where to go Macinstep Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:41:01 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <59mn8d$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <59m249$r70@www.univie.ac.at> a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at () wrote: > > I hope they will go with the obvious of using Mach 3, in a let's say enabled > for two a processor configuration initially. I assume Mach 3 is a true microkernel architecture. Microkernel architectures seem to suffer from performance problems relative to macrokernels. Microsoft is moving more and more functionality back into the NT kernel to improve performance, so the NT kernel is becoming less micro and more macro. One of the chief Mach architects, Avie Tevanian, has been at NeXT since the beginning and is now in charge of OS development with Apple. He has resisted moving to the Mach microkernel so he probably knows something that we don't know. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:48:52 GMT Organization: University of Regina, Dept. of Computer Science Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59mnn4$m1a@sue.cc.uregina.ca> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219> In article <carol1-2112962342190001@17.219.103.219>, Andrew Carol <carol1@apple.com> wrote: >In article <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) >wrote: > >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > ^^^^ >> years before his announcement. > > >3.5" floppy on a TRS-80? > >Are you sure you did not mean 5.25" floppy? > >I can assure you that the Mac was the first US machine to >ship with a 3.5" floppy drive. A drive which did not become >easily available until 1984 which is when Apple shipped it with >the original Mac. A company named Amdek (which also made cheap monochrome monitors for home computers) produced a 3" floppy for many home computers - TRS-80, C-64, Atari 800s. These were hard cartridges with a 312K 'flippy' disk (you had to manually turn the disk over to access the other 312K side), without the sliding door on 3.5" disks. They were quite popular on home computers for a while... -- John Bayko (Tau). bayko@cs.uregina.ca http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~bayko
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power up options Date: 23 Dec 1996 15:43:38 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <59mqtq$a4t@papoose.quick.com> References: <59lfm1$4a8@rumah.pc.my> In article <59lfm1$4a8@rumah.pc.my>, Michael Olan <michael@rumah.pc.my> wrote: >I have 2 slabs... one running NS3.0 & one with NS3.2. >The 3.0 slab has the timed power-on & auto power up after a power failure >preference. >When clicking the power on option on the NS3.2 slab it says "Not Applicable." >Is there a difference in the hardware so that one of these boxes is capable >of auto-power on & the other is not, or is there a difference in the versions >of NS, or is it something else again? The power on feature was not present in the earlier slab ROMS (or in any of the cube ROMS if my memory is correct). -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:31:14 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Message-ID: <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? On 23 Dec 1996 06:09:28 GMT, Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> wrote: > Sell it, man! Quick! > Here, I'll help- 'NeXT and Apple suddenly lock together with serious >enthusiasm on both sides- a kernel that'll run NeXT already _exists_ (see >MkLinux info)- the designer largely responsible for the technological >superiority of NeXT is named as the one who will head the OS team... > Don't throw that NT box out the window! _Sell_ it quick. To somebody >that hasn't heard. Or someone who hasn't seen even a NeXT screenshot. Be >quick, the opportunity might vanish _real_ quick if I'm reading things >right. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming | From the database of the Furtune program: jgoerzen@complete.org | "It's the thought, if any, that counts."
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 23 Dec 1996 22:17:28 GMT Organization: Infinity AccessNET Distribution: world Message-ID: <59n0do$1ha@garfield.iaxs.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> <59mmo8$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Art Isbell (aisbell@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : But NeXT engineers have stated that NEXTSTEP/Mach running on the dual PPC : workstation that was to replace the m68k workstations was a true SMP : architecture, so the Mach kernel certainly can support SMP. Hmm. Gee, a SMP kernel on a dual PowerPC workstation. Sound familiar? Be unoriginal. :) -- # david young: +oo developer # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok)
From: Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:37:27 +0000 Organization: SFbayrun Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------136052D216B4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------136052D216B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 . -- Cheers, Thomas Vincent =============== SFbayrun Internet | The NeXT Apple Page http://www.sfbayrun.com/snet/ | http://www.sfbayrun.com/next/ --------------------------------------------------------- National High School Cross Country & Track and Field Pages http://www.sfbayrun.com/scholar/ --------------------------------------------------------- --------------136052D216B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="522A6368"; name="The Next Apple Page" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: BBEdit Lite 3.5 Document Content-Disposition: inline; filename="The Next Apple Page" [Next/Apple GIf] [Image] The Next Apple Page Advantages/Disidvantages Links Equivelant Programs Equivelant Technologies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: I need help, I have used the Macintosh since 2 weeks after it came out in 1984. I got to play with Next once. As you an tell there is alot of empty space all over this site. I need your help to fill it. If you have an addition or a correction. Most of the information I get is from newsgroups. Please e-mail me at runner12@ix.netcom.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday December 22, 1996 January 7, 1997 will be the big date for all of us. It will be the biggest MacWorld in history. Gil's got the ball, now it is time for him to run with it. In San Francisco he will announce Apple's OS strategy. It will hopefully be the day the Mac/Next fights back. According to Sunday's Mercury News, it was Next that called Apple. The marketing director at Next got the idea when he heard about Apple's dealings with Be. Knowing that he had a better product, and Steve's Jobs desire to bring Next to the mass's he called Apple. A lower level employee reffered him to Ellen Hancock. Within a day, Apple sent over some high level engineers, and executives to Next. While in this meeting Steve Jobs calls on routine business matters from Pixar. He is told about Apple, and says that he called Apple too. Apparently this all happened around Thanksgiving time. From then on Apple met almost every day with Next. They were apparently extremely thorough on the details of how this was all going to take place. Apparently Apple was impressed when they saw a Next OS running five movies at once. Guy Kawasaki the ultimate in Macintosh evangelism predicted this in 1994. Well sorta, it was one of his fantasies: http://www.macworld.com/pages/november.94/Column.991.html . I got the following from the NextAnswers section of the Next Site. I thought it gave a preety good overview of the NextStep OS: "NEXTSTEP provides the premier platform for the development and deployment of object-oriented mission critical custom applications. NeXT is the only company to provide a completely integrated object-oriented client/server computing environment for enterprise-wide software development and deployment. Its environment, NEXTSTEP is the premier system for developing and deploying custom client/server business applications and integrating them with advanced productivity software throughout a heterogeneous network. NEXTSTEP provides cross-platform integration, superior ease of use, and the robustness needed for handling mission-critical applications globally. Fully object-oriented operating environments appeal strongly to programmers, systems administrators, and users. For systems administrators, objects reduce maintenance time and costs. At the system level, objects enable programmers to rapidly reuse and customize core business components. At the application level, users will find feature and interface consistency across applications. NEXTSTEP is based on the industry-standard Berkeley UNIX operating system and the Mach system kernel. NEXTSTEP integrates seamlessly with the most popular local and wide area networks including NFS and Novell and also accesses Macintosh and MS-DOS filesystems. Users with no training in networks or file systems can easily navigate networks and share information using Workspace Manager a powerful and easy-to-use file management application. NEXTSTEP includes the class libraries needed to use custom software developed with NeXT's NEXTSTEP Developer product. When it's coupled with the Enterprise Objects Framework, users can benefit from object persistence in relational database applications." NEXTSTEP also bundles powerful user and system management applications. These include NeXTmail a multimedia electronic mail system; FaxReader for viewing faxes; Digital Librarian a powerful full-text searching tool; Edit, a multifont text editor; and NetInfo a tool for administering network resources. " On the subject of Steve Jobs. He is going to be a part time technical advisor to Amelio. Next users always fault Job's management style, and Next's overall style of running a company. I don't think Job's will have much of a say in this one. What he will bring and have is his undying devotion to quality. One of the things that makes Next so stable is that, the NextStep OS, is Steve Jobs baby. It is a quality OS, and most of all stable. Gil Amelio is strong, and will not back down to pressure from anyone or anything. Steve Jobs will have influence, but Gil is in control. As for the Mach Kernel in the Next OS being out of date. Do you guys really think that Apple is going to sit still. To quote Amelio, "This will allow us to innovate for the next ten years, and give the copycats something to copy." If the Next Community is going too merge with the Apple community then you need to start reading up on it. Apple sponsors a number of mailing lists that are wonderful. You can give feedback there, and the top levels of Apple listen. As far as merging the OS, alot of people speculate that Windows NT was based on VMS. Some say less, some say more with Windows NT and VMS. The idea of merging the OS is not that far out. The Copland microkernel is supposedly done, and preety good. It will be up to Apple to decide what to keep, and what not too. Developers fear not, Heidi Roezen (Sorry I probably crucified the spelling of her name.) is on board as head of developer relations. She is one smart cookie. People call her the canary in the coal mine. If she leaves then were all in trouble. Check out http://devworld.apple.com/ for more info. She ran T-Maker at the time it was producing WriteNow. WriteNow had the same close connection to NeXT that MacWrite enjoyed with the Mac -- in fact, for a long time WN was part of the NeXT's software bundle. To quote a MacUser Article at http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/onlinecol/myslewski12.html, the Mach Kernel is : "a fast, mature, and reliable UNIX kernel that supports symmetric multiprocessing, preemptive multitasking, and other "modern OS" features. NeXTStep's Display PostScript architecture could make it ideal for the Mac's core users, the publishing community." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Apple has: Disadvantages: * A strong 26 million user base, with strong markets in multimedia. * Apple has established technologies like Quicktime. * Good market share in Education, publishing, and small business. * Apples current OS, is buggy, * Development strengths again lay in and relatively unstable. content development, and multimedia. * Much more stable then * Future PPCP platform will free many Windows 95, but not as stable companies to make clones, free's as Windows NT, or UNIX. companies form relying on proprietary ------------------------------- ASIC's. * Power PC Chips are at close to 600 MHZ, at the moment. * $50 million in assumed debt from Next, makes a nice tax write off. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Next has: Disadvantages: * A small but loyal following of users. * Designed as a Mission critical OS. This means that it was designed not to go down, period. * Multitasking * Still some command line unix laying * Multithreaded. around, Apple has vowed to clean that * Memory Protected: All tasks up. are done in protected memorey. * Kernel needs updating, the Kernel is * SMP basically a sort of Mach 2.5, and it * Network-Ready needs to be updated to 3.0, and the * Object-Oriented Application Berkely part to BSD 4.4. The Kernel is Model a combination of the two. * WebObjects * Not a real time operating system. * Client Server/Based This means that when commands are * Portable API entered they are not immediatley * Excellent UI, possibly a carried out. UNIX, Be OS, and DOS are little to much for some not real time operating systems. The though. current Mac OS is. Mach Kernel 3.0 is * Penetration in Markets such a real time microkernel. as Enterprise, Services, and --------------------------------------- Infrastructure. These are markets that Apple would like to penetrate. * Programs like Mathamatica, and WingZ are already ported to the Next OS. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- runner12@ix.netcom.com --------------136052D216B4--
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 23 Dec 1996 23:18:43 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > you using Macs? Because they didn't want to mortgage the house to buy a copy! -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 23 Dec 1996 23:29:46 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59n4la$2sq@news4.digex.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> <59mmo8$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <59n0do$1ha@garfield.iaxs.net> dwy@ace.net (David Young) wrote: > Art Isbell (aisbell@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : But NeXT engineers > have stated that NEXTSTEP/Mach running on the dual PPC : workstation > that was to replace the m68k workstations was a true SMP : > architecture, so the Mach kernel certainly can support SMP. > Hmm. Gee, a SMP kernel on a dual PowerPC workstation. > Sound familiar? > Be unoriginal. :) Just a point at your reference. NeXT had a dual PPC running NeXTSTEP before Be was an itch in JLG's pants :) I believe it was in 92 that the brick was ready to come out... These are the specs I remember on it...It was comonly refered to as the Brick. It was based on two 50Mhz PPC's (think they were 601's?). It had integrated video in/out... A DSP and DSP port (wonder where the idea of the geek port came from? Check the back of any old NeXT computer). ADB ports. Then all the regular goodies in NeXT hardware. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:50:28 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf1556.69696319@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) wrote: >togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >> we haven't seen the light. > >True. Also, the reason nine out and ten computer purchases are not Mac's is >that Apple did not licence the operating system back in 1984. > > Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I'd like to have had the choice. The catch is that if Apple had licensed the OS they would also have had to license those parts of the MAC hardware that made it impossible (well unreasonable) to run the MAC OS on other platforms. That would have resulted in competition and brought an end to $200 diskette drives and $500 motherboards. Certainly not the Apple way. Apple has shot iself in the foot so many times, it's truely a wonder there's any foot left. Other companies, making far fewer mistakes, have simply disappeared. The much better than a MAC Amiga is a classic example. All is not lost though. I can run Linux, WIN95, WINNT, DOS, OS/2, FreeBSD and more - all on the same box. If the MAC OS was in this group, I'd probably give it a try. It isn't (not MY choice) and I'm not about to buy a PowerPC just to try it out. Why should I?
From: peace@on.earth.com (Rodney) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:08:17 GMT Organization: Internet Services Provider Network Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf1e69.7543909@news.cfa.org> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <01bbefd7$82ae78e0$f64fb7ce@interaccess> <32bdd6d8.30481843@news.sover.net> On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 01:05:35 GMT, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: >>What I can't understand is people like you think that companies that charge >>for software/hardware are the most evil thing on the planet. Why? Also, >>what is wrong with being in the business of writing software to sell? >> >>Is it maybe because you are hack programmers who can't get a real job or >>are so uncreative and you're jealous because someone else thought up a >>concept for software and you didn't, or what? I really would like to know! >> >>Here's a clue, every software manufacturer that sells/develops software is >>in it for the money. Wow, what a revelation! >> >Daaaa.... >And what I can't understand is why people like you don't READ posts >BEFORE replying. If you'd taken the time to READ my post you would >have noiced that I said "Apple's in it for the bucks just like MS and >the rest." Notice the "JUST LIKE MS AND THE REST" part? It means just >like MS and the rest. If you READ my post you'll also notice that I >didn't say anything about evil or planet or writing software. I also >didn't attack anyones programming or job skills. What you really NEED >to know as opposed to what you'd LIKE to know is how to use usenet >newsgroups. > >Here's a clue for you: Buzzzz off. Geee.... Can't we just all get along ??...
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:56:19 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > If you paid attention to any of the multitude of posts in this group, you would find out that NeXT products cost a fortune. J.
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: VIRUS ALERT Date: Tue, 24 Dec 96 01:21:04 GMT Organization: RHAHMM Message-ID: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM Subject: Virus Alert Importance: High If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL GREETINGS! ; please delete it WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of the message, and what it would do to your PC if you were to read the message. This is a warning for all internet users - there is a dangerous virus propagating across the internet through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present in your mailbox! This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks worldwide!!!! Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETING!' as soon as you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends and relatives, and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! --------- End forwarded message ----------
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power up options Date: 24 Dec 1996 01:25:35 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <59nbef$jnm@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <59lfm1$4a8@rumah.pc.my> Cc: michael@rumah.pc.my In <59lfm1$4a8@rumah.pc.my> Michael Olan wrote: > I have 2 slabs... one running NS3.0 & one with NS3.2. > The 3.0 slab has the timed power-on & auto power up after a power failure > preference. > When clicking the power on option on the NS3.2 slab it says "Not Applicable." > Is there a difference in the hardware so that one of these boxes is capable > of auto-power on & the other is not, or is there a difference in the versions > of NS, or is it something else again? I believe that's a hardware difference. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Robert Rodgers) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:46:30 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: >In article <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >(John Goerzen) wrote: >> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such >> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? That which Apple does is good, thus now that NeXT is blessed by Apple, NeXT is good. Two years ago, Mac users were lambasting Win3.1 and Win95 for having a DOS command line (e.g., the prompt window), thus having "two seperate interfaces", which Apple said was bad, Tog said was bad, so it was Bad by the Gospel. (I agree that multiple UIs are bad, as epitomized by the worst case, OS/2+WinOS2, and onion skin style interfaces *may* be good or bad). But ever since Apple started talking about their UI manager, multiple interfaces has been "good" (but only Apple ones). It's bizarre behavior, but nothing new. >If you paid attention to any of the multitude of posts in this group, you >would find out that NeXT products cost a fortune. The main problem was the seat cost for the applications you could produce with NS/developer. It remains to be seen what Apple will charge. rsr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - words were just sounds -- genes made them bludgeons
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 02:22:21 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59neot$p@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> <59m7hc$s26@white.koehntopp.de> KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: > Anyway: If you put out a unixish operating system in 1997, you > most definitely want it to be posixly correct (Nt is!), Unix'95 > branded (NT is!) and C2 certified (NT is!) or you are bound to > lose. I should probably put out a less smart-alecky reply to this... (less smart-alecky than the one I just posted) It is not the goal of Apple to put out a "unix" operating system. It wants a modern operating system, but in fact has no particular interest in unix. Mac users have no particular interest in Unix. (Mac developers, well, they might...). One of the main goals of Apple is to make NeXTSTEP *less* of a "unix" box -- although it's already true that Unix aficionado's would scoff at NeXTSTEP and say that it is not unix. So, anyone putting out a Unix box would care about the things you mention, but Unix per se is irrelevent to Apple and the people Apple sells to. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 02:24:46 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59nete$p@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > you using Macs? Well, *I* can answer that! Even as a NeXTSTEP aficionado... NeXTSTEP is and has always been too expensive for the home market. Why? Because NeXTSTEP sells to too few people, so the price has to be high to recoup the development costs. And of course, the reason it sells to too few people is that so many people can not afford the high price. Given the kind of sales figures that Apple has, the price of deploying NeXTSTEP is going to go way way down. This makes many people much happier with it. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: woo@opus.bloomco.ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WriteNow? Date: 24 Dec 1996 03:06:08 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Distribution: world Message-ID: <59nhb0$7h4@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> I'm still using the WriteNow that I received with OS 2.0 under my 3.3 release. It works fine and I still prefer it to any other word processor I've seen which cost money. I have WordPerfect on the Next also, but don't like it as well. My question is: Is there any online documentation for WriteNow? I want to use the Merge part. I've not used it before, but find a need for it now. Could someone point me to online documentation or give me some hints on setting up the template and and data files and how to do a merge? thanks, -- J. W. Wooten <jwooten@korrnet.org> http://sacam.oren.ortn.edu/~wooten Internet Consultant/ Nextpert ;-) NeXTmail preferred, MIME is welcome Please finger woo@160.91.216.2 for PGP public key
From: bbq@wam.umd.edu (BBQ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 23 Dec 1996 22:16:24 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <59nhu8$1vd@rac10.wam.umd.edu> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> lovely, another pointless scare. and the best thing is look where this is cross posted to, all the groups where the people actually know something, mostly unix groups, uh yeah, I'm not root on the unix pc I am telnetting into from the machine I am not root on, which I called into from home, yeah, right format hard drive, whatever, pretty amazing to work with all email programs to find your address list. Sorry to crosspost response like this, but these are just silly. bbq In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, Little John <jmh@intrepid.net> wrote: >Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > >Subject: Virus Alert >Importance: High > >If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >GREETINGS! ; please delete it >WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of >the message, and what it would do to your PC if you >were to read the message. > >This is a warning for all internet users - there is a >dangerous virus propagating across the internet >through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL >GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY >MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." > >This message appears to be a friendly letter asking >you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time >you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" >virus will have already infected the boot sector of your >hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a >self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it >will >AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's >e-mail address is present in >your mailbox! > >This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds >the potential to >DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in >your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. >If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to >do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks >worldwide!!!! > >Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL >GREETING!' as soon as you see it! >And pass this message along to all of your friends >and relatives, and the other readers of the >newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so >that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! >--------- End forwarded message ---------- >
From: John Szumowski <harpo@javanet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:33:16 -0500 Organization: JavaNet Cafe, Northampton, Massachusetts Message-ID: <32BF4EFC.27AB@javanet.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Little John wrote: > > Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded > Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > > Subject: Virus Alert > Importance: High > > If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL > GREETINGS! ; please delete it > WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of > the message, and what it would do to your PC if you > were to read the message. > > This is a warning for all internet users - there is a > dangerous virus propagating across the internet > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL > GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY > MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking > you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time > you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" > virus will have already infected the boot sector of your > hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a > self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it > will > AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's > e-mail address is present in > your mailbox! bullshit. > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds > the potential to > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in > your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. > If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to > do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks > worldwide!!!! > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL > GREETING!' as soon as you see it! > And pass this message along to all of your friends > and relatives, and the other readers of the > newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so > that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! > --------- End forwarded message ---------- this may be a naive question, but how could just *downloading* a file cause trouble? it seems like, for most viri that i've heard of, they have to be executed...this whole post sounds bogus to me. -- =-------------------------------------------------------------------= ((___)) John Szumowski - harpo@javanet.com ((___)) [ x x ] =---------------------------------------------------= [ x x ] \ / The Internet, of course, is more than just a place \ / (' ') to find pictures of people having sex with dogs. (' ') (U) --Time Magazine, 3 July 1995 (U) =-------------------------------------------------------------------=
From: JOSE_M@internetMCI.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 24 Dec 1996 03:55:51 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Message-ID: <59nk87$a7o@news.internetmci.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That message don't make any since.....<scratching head> all e-mail is text only... how can you hide a binary file in ascii format??? you can't unless that tag a file with a text and then you have to run i manualy...... anyway... even if that's the case... I have a bios that tell's me if a program is trying to access my boot secter... and stops it if i conferm to stop it.
From: michael@tenzo.com (Michael O'Henly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: What net browsers are available for NeXTstep? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:56:44 -0800 Organization: Tenzo Design Message-ID: <199612231956441001941@i2-26.islandnet.com> If Apple intends to have a NeXTstep-based OS ready in 1997, this doesn't give Netscape and Microsoft much time to come up with a browser for the new platform (assuming they're prepared to do this). What browsers are available for NeXTstep right now? How much of HTML 3.2 do they support? How many of the NS/MSIE extensions do they support? Are there sufficient resources available that a truly competetive Mac browser could be in place by the time the new OS is ready to ship? (I'm assuming here that the Open Doc browsers are effectively dead: CyberDog, Netscape 4.0, etc.) Michael O'Henly
From: Walter Daugherity <daugher@tamu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IBM 6x86 CPU ?? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:11:49 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University Message-ID: <32BF5805.41C67EA6@tamu.edu> References: <58rf43$q26@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de Helmut Heller wrote: > > Hello, > > i plan buying an intel machine (for x-mas ;-) to run NeXTSTEP on it. Now I > see that machines with an IBM 6x86 CPU are much cheaper than those with an > intel Pentium. From NeXTanswers I also see that NS seems to run on a Cyrix > 6x86. > > My question now: > what experience do people have with NS on an IBM (or cyrix?) 6x86 CPU? > and in general: are those CPUs recommended? > any draw-backs? > I have NS 3.3 running on a 100 MHz Cyrix 686 (motherboard is TS54P AIO). The biggest problem was an incompatability between Diamond Stealth and the Adaptec SCSI controller. Changing to an ATI Mach 64 Graphics Pro Turbo worked. Performance is excellent! -- Walter C. Daugherity Dept. of Computer Science E-mail: daugher@tamu.edu Texas A & M University http://www.cs.tamu.edu/faculty/daugher/ College Station, TX 77843-3112 ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: mtm@insync.net (Michael Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Tue, 24 Dec 96 04:41:54 GMT Organization: Insync Internet Services Message-ID: <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run it. Someday these people will learn.... In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > >Subject: Virus Alert >Importance: High > >If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >GREETINGS! ; please delete it >WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of >the message, and what it would do to your PC if you >were to read the message. > >This is a warning for all internet users - there is a >dangerous virus propagating across the internet >through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL >GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY >MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." > >This message appears to be a friendly letter asking >you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time >you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" >virus will have already infected the boot sector of your >hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a >self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it >will >AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's >e-mail address is present in >your mailbox! > >This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds >the potential to >DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in >your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. >If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to >do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks >worldwide!!!! > >Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL >GREETING!' as soon as you see it! >And pass this message along to all of your friends >and relatives, and the other readers of the >newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so >that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! >--------- End forwarded message ---------- >
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Control: cancel <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> Date: 24 Dec 1996 04:54:27 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Message-ID: <59nnm3$2u6@news3.texas.net> cancel
From: happy2@home.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:16:41 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32bf2e3b.26976894@snews2.zippo.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <carol1-2212960848560001@17.219.103.194> Okay, I'll withhold jumping the gun and wait to see what shakes out(can't really do much else except move to BE OS >g):) By the way, here's the email i received from NeXT: >Dear NeXT Customer, >As you know by now NeXT has merged with Apple Computer. This is >truly an historic event and will have lasting benefits. As a current >NeXT customer you will continue to be fully supported. NeXT will >continue to sell and support all of our existing products, and we >will continue to offer cross-platform support. The entire NeXT field >Sales and Services organization will be kept together and will be >part of Apple's strengthened enterprise focus. The NeXT Sales >organization will be the focal point for leading Apple into the >enterprise, the internet/intranet, and for delivering solutions for a >more open Apple, including cross-platform support for Microsoft and >Unix. I will continue to be responsible for all of NeXT's current >customers, and our sales and services strategy. This organization, >of course, will now be Apple's focal point into enterprise sales. >This merger, described in the press release below, increases the >market acceptance for the technology which you have invested in. I >believe that Apple, NeXT, our joint customers, and the Computer >Industry all benefit from this strategic relationship. The following >briefly lists the five key reasons for this merger: >*PROOF OF NEW OPEN APPLE >Embracing outside technology and cross platform industry standards, >Apple believes it can innovate in the key areas that give its >products and technology differentiation. NeXT's cross-platform >development environments in the enterprise and Internet/intranet >space allow developers to write once and deploy across a range of >Internet and client-server platforms. >*STRENGTHENED ENTERPRISE POSITION >NeXT's dynamic object oriented development environments allow >enterprise customers to develop software solutions quickly and deploy >reusable applications on either traditional client-server or >Internet/intranet based networks. These powerful tools allow new >applications to access legacy data and applications, a key concern >for enterprise customers in the late 1990's. This, coupled with >Apple products offerings and the "megatrend" toward corporate-wide >intranets, reinvigorates Apple's product offering to Enterprise >customers. >*STRONG INTERNET/INTRANET POSITION >The merger with NeXT significantly strengthens Apple's technology >portfolio in Internet/intranet space. Apple's current internet >products and technologies, when combined with NeXT's object-oriented >Java-enabled open development platform, give the company a >competitive advantage. The merger with NeXT gives Apple the >opportunity to become a preeminent development and deployment >platform for java technology. >*KICK-START APPLE'S SOFTWARE BUSINESS >The acquisition of NeXT's profitable development environments for >enterprise and Internet markets, allows Apple to supplement its >growing list of software products with a ready-made portfolio of >powerful customer-focused software solutions. Apple is committed to >increasing the revenue it makes from its software business and the >acquisition of NeXT is a significant milestone in building a >differentiated, sustainable and profitable software business. >*DELIVERY OF MODERN OS >NEXTSTEP OS' maturity, customer and developer acceptance, >multi-tasking, protected memory, scalability from portable to >server-level products, information linking, networking, and powerful >object-oriented architecture - will provide the MacOS the >underpinning it needs to provide differentiated multimedia and >Internet leadership through the millenium. Apple is also confident >that compatibility with existing applications will be strong in MacOS >as it evolves. >Feel free to visit our website at http://www.next.com. We will be >contacting you soon with more information. In the mean-time, enjoy >the holiday season and be secure in the knowledge that you are an >essential part of our success. >Sincerely, >Mitchell Mandich >V.P. Worldwide Sales & Service On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 08:48:56 -0800, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com>, happy2@home.com wrote: > >> Image a state of the art operating system being swallowed by the >> mis-Management at Apple; This may be more a question of how long it >> takes Apple to screw Next OS up enough to rename it Copeland. > >But again, this assumes that Apple is one mind over all time. > >In the last year Gil and Ellen have really turned the company way >of doing business around. They've not been afraid to kill bad >projects, etc. > >Simply making the admision that we screwed it up in-house and >brought in a "Not invented here" OS shows that things to a great >degree have changed. > >-- >Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." >carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Robert Rodgers) wrote: >jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: >>In article <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >>(John Goerzen) wrote: >>> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such >>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 03:48:01 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Cc: togar@msn.com In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > >> years before his announcement. > > > >Are you joking? Or insane? > > Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong > and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed > by Apple. You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) So we learn you're a harware wizard!!!!! > > >The Macintosh was the first computer ever to use 3.5" floppy drive in january > >1984! > > Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, > color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the > computer too. Easy! > > >Maybe you started using it on TRS80 in 1990... And have a weak memory... > > > Well, maybe. When are you going to buy a computer? > >-- Ah! Ah! Ah! -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
From: David J Harr <wirehead@datadepot.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:27:13 -0800 Organization: Network Intensive Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Goerzen wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are >such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > > On 23 Dec 1996 06:09:28 GMT, Chris Johnson <jinx6568@sover.net> wrote: > > Sell it, man! Quick! > > Here, I'll help- 'NeXT and Apple suddenly lock together with > >serious enthusiasm on both sides- a kernel that'll run NeXT already > >_exists_ (see MkLinux info)- the designer largely responsible for the > >technological superiority of NeXT is named as the one who will head > >the OS team... > > Don't throw that NT box out the window! _Sell_ it quick. To > >somebody that hasn't heard. Or someone who hasn't seen even a NeXT > >screenshot. Be quick, the opportunity might vanish _real_ quick if > >I'm reading things right. > > -- > John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) > Custom Programming | From the database of the Furtune program: > jgoerzen@complete.org | "It's the thought, if any, that counts." I've always felt the NeXT was a technologically superior platform with the hottest UI around. My friends will tell you what a bore I have been over the years complaining about the lack of decent development tools on the Mac like that which are available on NeXT. _BUT_ the reality is that I make my money contract programming video games, and there has never been a single company that ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to NeXT done. It was a nonexistent market. I also don't have enough extra money lying around to be able to afford hardware just for the sake of having cool hardware, otherwise I'd buy a 200 MHz PPro and put NEXTSTEP on it. I spend too much money already just trying to keep ahead of the technological curve of Mac products. Since I don't do Windows, I have never had a need for any Intel hardware, therefore, I was never able to run NeXT. So, I use a Mac. Does that mean I am insensitive to the superiority of NeXT? No. But, I could nit justify the economics of owning a NeXT box on pure philosophical grounds. If I had that much money lying around, I would probably buy an Indy. At least on an Indy I can do PSX, Saturn and N64 development, as well as run WaveFront/ Alias. David J Harr game hacker & biker scum Wirehead Systems
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:22:58 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net From: planet@xmission.xmission.com (planetary) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 16:30:01 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59pp1p$ce3@xmission.xmission.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote: : Linux $0 .... PERIOD. And it's worth every penny. =) ..................kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contains freshness saver packet. DO NOT EAT.
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: > >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > > > >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... > > > >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 > > And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't > you? > > BTW, just for comparison: > > Linux $0 .... PERIOD. Which neatly contradicts your earlier post where you cited to pay versions of Linux. J.
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:38:04 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > >> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > >> > >> >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > >> >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > >> >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > >> >> years before his announcement. > >> > > >> >Are you joking? Or insane? > >> > >> Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong > >> and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed > >> by Apple. > > > >You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! > > > > Really helping you cause here. > Next time you're bored, slip into a computer store - buy some books > and read 'em. > > >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) > >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) > > > So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is > it I'm not surprised? Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time to propagate? J.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 00:18:56 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59prtg$4kg@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c0d8g.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 02:22:08 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <59q34g$6oe@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: > >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... > >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 > And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't > you? > BTW, just for comparison: > Linux $0 .... PERIOD. Your time must be worth nothing. How about the cost of administering Linux? Installing frequent upgrades, patches, etc. Most people want to get work done, not futz with the operating system or hardware. That has real value in dollars and cents. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: What net browsers are available for NeXTstep? Date: 24 Dec 1996 23:33:30 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <59pp8a$ajk@news.digifix.com> References: <199612231956441001941@i2-26.islandnet.com> In-Reply-To: <199612231956441001941@i2-26.islandnet.com> On 12/23/96, Michael O'Henly wrote: >If Apple intends to have a NeXTstep-based OS ready in 1997, this doesn't >give Netscape and Microsoft much time to come up with a browser for the >new platform (assuming they're prepared to do this). > I don't expect Microsoft to be hugely interested, do you? :-) With Netscape having a number of different Unix platforms running now, I'd think that with the exception of the UI most of the underlying structure is already there. Of course alot of this depends on if the Mac version supports traditional sockets and such (which its begining to look like it will) >What browsers are available for NeXTstep right now? How much of HTML 3.2 >do they support? How many of the NS/MSIE extensions do they support? There is OmniWeb and NetSurfer. OmniWeb is quite compatible, although missing Java and JavaScript. OmniWeb actually shipped with Frames before Netscape did. > >Are there sufficient resources available that a truly competetive Mac >browser could be in place by the time the new OS is ready to ship? (I'm >assuming here that the Open Doc browsers are effectively dead: CyberDog, >Netscape 4.0, etc.) By resources you mean OpenStep developers? Good question. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: pjb@imaginet.fr (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WriteNow? Date: 25 Dec 1996 03:27:26 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Distribution: world Message-ID: <59q6uu$j95@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <egold-2412961439250001@ppp10.swcp.com> WriteNow/NeXT is about exactly the same as WriteNow 1.0/Mac. In article <egold-2412961439250001@ppp10.swcp.com> egold@unix.asb.com (EL gold) writes: > In article <59nhb0$7h4@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, woo@korrnet.org wrote: > > > I'm still using the WriteNow that I received with OS 2.0 under my 3.3 > > release. It works fine and I still prefer it to any other word processor > > I've seen which cost money. I have WordPerfect on the Next also, but > > don't like it as well. > > > > My question is: Is there any online documentation for WriteNow? I want > > to use the Merge part. I've not used it before, but find a need for it > > now. Could someone point me to online documentation or give me some hints > > on setting up the template and and data files and how to do a merge? > > > > thanks, > > > > > > -- > > J. W. Wooten <jwooten@korrnet.org> > > > Ever since the merger, I have been lurking in the NeXT groups.. :-) > If you think the WriteNow for mac would be similar enough to the NeXT > version, I can send or fax you the relevant couple of pages. > > Cheers, E gold
From: "Benjamin Smith" <benjs@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 96 00:09:01 -0500 Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEE62125-47C3C@207.93.51.91> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > > The original "egg-fryer" Alpha is needed just to create adiquate >performance for the systems's users when running Windows NT. And >Windows is just start#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!inquo!news.mira.net.au!manawatu.planet.co.nz!manawatu.gen.nz!unix.triton.net!news From: Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:59:20 -0800 Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc Lines: 39 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Reply-To: intrepid@internet1.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin30.internet1.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.os.linux.advocacy:86097 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:145964 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:171919 comp.unix.advocacy:34660 comp.sys.next.software:26772 comp.sys.next.misc:23789 comp.sys.next.advocacy:46792 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:2578 Lance Togar wrote: > > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM he had when he > >> "invented" the 3.5" floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > >> years before his announcement. > > > >Are you joking? Or insane? > > Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain wrong > and annoyingly so at that. Time to read something that wasn't printed > by Apple. > > >The Macintosh was the first computer ever to use 3.5" floppy drive in january > >1984! > > Sure.. they invented the GUI, mice, keyboards, operating systems, > color monitors, laser printers, plastic, tab top cans and the > computer too. > > >Maybe you started using it on TRS80 in 1990... And have a weak memory... > > > Well, maybe. When are you going to buy a computer? > >-- -------------------------------------------- If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the technology for the Macintosh, and MIT developed X-Windows GUI interface consept. When the present head of the PARC unit found about all of the developments that weren't patented, he nearly had a coronary!!! The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer consumer. Respectfully: Jeffery Hugh Kavanaugh
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:31:42 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> Richard Fleming <rhflem@bhip.infi.net> wrote: >Lance Togar wrote: >> > >> > >> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >> we haven't seen the light. >> >> Oh well.... > >Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a >higher life form! Oh Well... Ok, lets see. They've been on the planet a LOT longer than we have. They take good care of their young - all of 'em. They spend very little time killing each other. They've survived ALL of our high tech attempts at extermination. Sounds like a success story to me and to someone on the outside looking in, it might very well appear that THEY have the upper hand. Doesn't sound like you're in much of a position to judge life forms so... it's back to computers. Oh, well....
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:34:27 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c0bc77.57496958@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: SNIP >> >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) >> >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) >> > >> So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is >> it I'm not surprised? > >Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time to propagate? > >J. I do. But it seemed like the right comment given the circumstances.
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: What net browsers are available for NeXTstep? Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 00:50:26 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C0C0A2.4BB8@exnext.com> References: <199612231956441001941@i2-26.islandnet.com> <59pp8a$ajk@news.digifix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Anguish wrote: > >Are there sufficient resources available that a truly competetive Mac > >browser could be in place by the time the new OS is ready to ship? (I'm > >assuming here that the Open Doc browsers are effectively dead: CyberDog, > >Netscape 4.0, etc.) > > By resources you mean OpenStep developers? > > Good question. Remember that Netscape has several (at least) ex-NeXT developers on-staff. The ones I'm thinking of are in the IFC group working on Java. (I don't know if they'd want to work on OpenStep, but one never knows.) -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 02:19:50 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Distribution: inet Message-ID: <lewisda-ya023080002512960219500001@news.dal.ca> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rhflem@bhip.infi.net wrote: > Lance Togar wrote: > > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a > higher life form! Oh Well... Are you comparing Lance to a Cockroach? Be careful, high praise like that might go to his head. -- ____________________________________________________ Dave Lewis lewisda@tuns.ca www.tuns.ca/~lewisda ____________________________________________________
From: blukefah@ix.netcom.com (Bill) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:20:00 -0800 Organization: Bill Distribution: inet Message-ID: <blukefah-2512960120000001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c0d8g.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5c0d8g.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > Macs are not exactly cheap either. They may be cheaper than you think... I just got a PowerBase 180 from Power Computing for $1500 nicley outfitted. (Plug-n-play everything, SCSI, 24bit color, keyboard, mouse, CD-ROM, etc.) According to Byte Mag, a PPC 603ev is sustantially faster than a Pentium at the same clock speed when both are running WinNT. This would be true with a NeXT/Mac OS as well (unlike System 7). Not too shabby.
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUBMISSION: solidThinking2.4 HanGul Guide(1) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 20:26:19 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32C10F2A.5623@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit solidThinking2.4 HanGul Quick Guide(1) I've uploaded solidThinking 2.4 HanGul(It's Korean Language) Quick Guide(1). Currently it's at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/solidThinking_Guide_1.tar.gz And later... ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/ or ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/documents/misc/ To read this document, You need to install WritingDesk(It's mean FUDUKUE2) demo version on the NEXTSTEP 3.2J or higher with Korean font pack. http://www.cnds.canon.co.jp/Japanese_EUC/Products_NSAG3/Japanese/FUDUKUE2/FUDUKUE2.html ftp://ftp.cnds.canon.co.jp/pub/DemoApps/FUDUKUE2.tar.gz Next docunments will be upload soon. Have fun and mery Christmas! YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP News and NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 09:57:22 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Message-ID: <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> How is this a contradiction? There are commercial Linux distributions availabe and there are free Linux distributions available. But Linux itself is always free. On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500, Jason S. <jhsterne@earthlink.net> wrote: >In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >(John Goerzen) wrote: > >> On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: >> >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >> > >> >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... >> > >> >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 >> >> And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't >> you? >> >> BTW, just for comparison: >> >> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. > >Which neatly contradicts your earlier post where you cited to pay versions >of Linux. > >J. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming | jgoerzen@complete.org | Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: What net browsers are available for NeXTstep? Date: 25 Dec 1996 08:18:35 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <59r9jb$hsc@papoose.quick.com> References: <199612231956441001941@i2-26.islandnet.com> <59qcet$3e6@gaea.titan.org> In article <59qcet$3e6@gaea.titan.org>, <andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com> wrote: >michael@tenzo.com (Michael O'Henly) wrote: > >> What browsers are available for NeXTstep right now? How much of HTML 3.2 >> do they support? How many of the NS/MSIE extensions do they support? > >There are two major ones: OmniWeb and NetSurfer. Both products are commercial >apps - there are some free browsers, but they are rather lacking based on the >makeup of the web today. > >I work for Omni, which makes OmniWeb. Since I'm biased towards OmniWeb, I'll >just make a few notes about OmniWeb; I'll make you check out NetSurfer's web >site for more details on their browser. (Hi Jon!) > >OmniWeb is - in general - quite compatible with Netscape; check our web page >for more details. Unfortunately, we don't have the support of such companies >as Progressive Networks, so we don't have things like RealAudio or ShockWave. >We don't have Java (yet) or JavaScript or Active-X. We do have a user >interface that we feel is much stronger than the UIs in Netscape and IE I'll second the opinion that the user interface is superior. I run the only NeXT box at work (a P6 200 which screams BTW) and continue to amaze co-workers by downloading multiple things at once (sometimes in multiple windows at once, sometimes just multi-threaded in a single window). I do this, not to show off, but when other folks are having trouble with either IE or Netscape and cannot get something to work properly, or do not have the software corectly installed to view something like a PDF. p.s. I much prefer the NeXTStep way of doing things. Rather than develop numerous plug-ins or slews of features in the browser. Let other small applets or service applciations do just that one thing well. Why fire up a Web Browser just to read a PDF file on line? Why have a Web Browser that understands PDF if you already have a nice PDF app? p.p.s. Thanks to Omni for both OmniWeb and OmniPDF. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: zizi zhao <ziziz@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 16:05:30 -0500 Organization: @univ Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C1971A.705C@worldnet.att.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> <59m7hc$s26@white.koehntopp.de> <59neot$p@duke.squonk.net> <32C0015E.617E@adcon.co.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lix Paulian at Home wrote: > > Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > ... > > So, anyone putting out a Unix box would care about the things you > > mention, but Unix per se is irrelevent to Apple and the people > > Apple sells to. > > > > However, leaving Unix completely out would be a big mistake from the > part of Apple, and I hope they won't do it. After all, what's Win NT > trying to be all the time if not a Unix replacement?... if you really > want to compete with NT, there is no other reasonable alternative to > Unix. > That is right. Even MS knows that. When they know you like UNIX, first, they said: NT is UNIX. I said, "No. NT is VMS+." Then they said, "In two years, NT 5.0 or 6.0 will be UNIX." ZiZi
From: scollarw@cadvision.com (guzzibill) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 18:39:28 GMT Organization: CADVision Development Corp. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> In-Reply-To: <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> On 12/24/96, John Goerzen composed a News article about Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!: ~>> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: ~>> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac ~>> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are ~>> > you using Macs? They've been converted by all the NeXT advocates bombarding their mac newsgroups in the last 5 days! -- Bill Scollard - Scollard Holdings Ltd. Computer Systems : Cradle-to-Grave Calgary, Alberta, Canada
From: tlabs@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Jay Busari ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Help: NS Install CD scratched Date: 25 Dec 1996 15:09:00 GMT Organization: Mahidol University, Thailand Message-ID: <59rg2c$o9a@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Hi all, The subject says it all...I was trying to reinstall my NS partition today and I got this error while the installation was copying files to the hard disk.... /private/etc/rc.cdrom: 58 Memory fault /private/etc/rc.cdrom: /private/tmp/mnta/private/etc/fstab: cannot create .... It didn't take long to realise that the CDROM had got scratched. It got scratch simply because I'd put the external CDROM drive on top of my monitor (thus being placed at a slight angle). The CDROM probably got scratched by the caddy :-( I'm sending this to warn people who couldn't be bothered to clear up their desk space (people like me). Anyway, I hope someone can help me by recommending what I can do...can I ask Next to replace the CDROM (it's NS 3.3 for Intel) came in an academic bundle sometime during March/April this year. Who do I contact? Is anyone at Next reading this? (I hope so). HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP !! 'tis the season to be jolly... in bad shape down in Bangkok/Thailand Jay Busari
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 21:01:33 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59s4nd$953@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> <59m7hc$s26@white.koehntopp.de> <59neot$p@duke.squonk.net> <32C0015E.617E@adcon.co.at> <32C1971A.705C@worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao <ziziz@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Lix Paulian at Home wrote: > > > > Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > > ... > > > So, anyone putting out a Unix box would care about the things > > > you mention, but Unix per se is irrelevent to Apple and the > > > people Apple sells to. > > > > However, leaving Unix completely out would be a big mistake > > from the part of Apple, and I hope they won't do it. After all, > > what's Win NT trying to be all the time if not a Unix > > replacement?... if you really want to compete with NT, there > > is no other reasonable alternative to Unix. > > That is right. Even MS knows that. When they know you like UNIX, > first, they said: NT is UNIX. I said, "No. NT is VMS+." Then they > said, "In two years, NT 5.0 or 6.0 will be UNIX." Note that WindowsNT is currently concentrating on the server marketplace, not the home user. In that market, there is an advantage to being "like unix". That market understands unix. To the home market, the word "unix" is not a marketting advantage. MacStep will still have the capabilities and robustness of unix, but Apple is not going to stick a big red sticker on the box saying "This product mets Unix'95 standards!". --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: rwcrosby@buffnet.net (Rik Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 25 Dec 1996 22:02:06 GMT Organization: BuffNET Message-ID: <59s88u$63f@buffnet2.buffnet.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Ya know, if I remember correctly, thi seems to be the EXACT same warning that was floating around with Good Times. In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... > >What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't >contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run >it. Someday these people will learn.... > >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM >> >>Subject: Virus Alert >>Importance: High >> >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >>GREETINGS! ; please delete it >>WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of >>the message, and what it would do to your PC if you >>were to read the message. >> >>This is a warning for all internet users - there is a >>dangerous virus propagating across the internet >>through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL >>GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY >>MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETING!." >> >>This message appears to be a friendly letter asking >>you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time >>you read this letter, it is too late. The "trojan horse" >>virus will have already infected the boot sector of your >>hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a >>self-replicating virus, and once the message is read , it >>will >>AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's >>e-mail address is present in >>your mailbox! >> >>This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds >>the potential to >>DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in >>your inbox, and who's mail is in their inbox, and so on. >>If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to >>do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks >>worldwide!!!! >> >>Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL >>GREETING!' as soon as you see it! >>And pass this message along to all of your friends >>and relatives, and the other readers of the >>newsgroups and mailing list which you are on, so >>that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! >>--------- End forwarded message ---------- >> -- __ _ _ _ | \| | | | | From the desk of the NiteWing | |\ | |/\| | Richard W. Crosby | http://www.buffnet.net/~rwcrosby/ |_| \_|__/\__| rwcrosby@buffnet.net
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 25 Dec 1996 13:32:09 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf267$e36dd580$79c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> Alex <achaney@voicenet.com> wrote in article <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com>... > > > > > > > Rick McDaniel <rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote in article > > <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15>... > > > The merger is on the apple site at www.apple.com. You cann't get much > > > better than that! Imagine a state of the art operating system running at > > > 200 - 300 Mhz. > > You did not have to wait for Apple and NeXT to merge to get a "state of > > the art operating system running at 200-300MHz." DEC Alphas with Windows > > NT have been running 200-300MHz and much faster for years. > > . Yeah, you could also buy a Cray. I thought we were talking about personal computers?
From: paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 24 Dec 1996 14:43:59 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59oq7f$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> In <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> Michel Coste wrote: > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to > > see it. > > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > world without being under Unix. It is so true :-). You can set up mail from the GUI alone (on a good day); and there are GUI tools to configure PPP. You still need to do too much editting of text configuration files, but no Unix hacking is required. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 24 Dec 1996 14:41:43 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> In <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> David J Harr wrote: > _BUT_ the reality is that > I make my money contract programming video games, and there has never > been a single company that ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to > NeXT done. Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on NeXTSTEP. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Alan Lovejoy <alovejoy@concentric.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 17:03:33 -0800 Organization: Modulation Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C1CEE5.2766@concentric.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> <59m7hc$s26@white.koehntopp.de> <59neot$p@duke.squonk.net> <32C0015E.617E@adcon.co.at> <32C1971A.705C@worldnet.att.net> <59s4nd$953@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > zizi zhao <ziziz@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > Lix Paulian at Home wrote: > > > > > > Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > > > ... > > > > So, anyone putting out a Unix box would care about the things > > > > you mention, but Unix per se is irrelevent to Apple and the > > > > people Apple sells to. > > > > > > However, leaving Unix completely out would be a big mistake > > > from the part of Apple, and I hope they won't do it. After all, > > > what's Win NT trying to be all the time if not a Unix > > > replacement?... if you really want to compete with NT, there > > > is no other reasonable alternative to Unix. > > > > That is right. Even MS knows that. When they know you like UNIX, > > first, they said: NT is UNIX. I said, "No. NT is VMS+." Then they > > said, "In two years, NT 5.0 or 6.0 will be UNIX." > > Note that WindowsNT is currently concentrating on the server > marketplace, not the home user. In that market, there is an > advantage to being "like unix". That market understands unix. > > To the home market, the word "unix" is not a marketting advantage. > MacStep will still have the capabilities and robustness of unix, > but Apple is not going to stick a big red sticker on the box > saying "This product mets Unix'95 standards!". I see no reason why MacStep shouldn't eventually be Posix-compliant, and be Unix95 conformant. In certain markets that would probably be a big help--especially against WindowsNT. However, there is no great urgency on this. I don't think it will matter much if Release 1.0 doesn't do these things. In fact, whether other Unixes are "MacStep compliant" will soon be a bigger issue, IMHO. And I agree that the word "UNIX" should be taboo except when talking to sophisticated users, hackers and computer scientitsts. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of Mac users don't even know or care what "UNIX" **is**. And they shouldn't need to. It can and should be totally transparent to them. -- Alan L. Lovejoy |==============================================| Smalltalk Consultant | Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs! | alovejoy@concentric.net |==============================================|
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 19:45:19 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya023280002512961945190001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500, Jason S. <jhsterne@earthlink.net> wrote: > >In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org > >(John Goerzen) wrote: > > > >> On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: > >> >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > >> > > >> >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... > >> > > >> >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 > >> > >> And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't > >> you? > >> > >> BTW, just for comparison: > >> > >> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. > > > >Which neatly contradicts your earlier post where you cited to pay versions > >of Linux. > How is this a contradiction? There are commercial Linux distributions > availabe and there are free Linux distributions available. But Linux itself > is always free. > John, AFAIK, commercial = you pay for the product. That is not free. That some versions of Linux are free does not make all versions of Linux free, anymore than the fact that Apple gives away all MacOS versions prior to 7.1 makes all versions of the MacOS free. "Linux $0 .... PERIOD" -- John Goerzen I read this to mean that _all_ versions of Linux are free. This indeed contradicts your post pointing out that there are "pay" versions of Linux. J.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 26 Dec 1996 02:07:41 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > In <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> David J Harr wrote: > > _BUT_ the reality is that I make my money contract programming > > video games, and there has never been a single company that > > ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to NeXT done. > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on > NeXTSTEP. Id software were the guys who developed _DOOM_ using NeXTSTEP, right? What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: drissman@detroit.freenet.org (Avi Drissman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two Next/Apple questions Date: 26 Dec 1996 04:03:22 GMT Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Message-ID: <59stea$439@news2.acs.oakland.edu> Lets see: 1) All the Next web screen shots I've seen are _huge_. What is the minimum _required_ resolution, and what is the lowest resolution I'd _want_ to run it? 2) If the Mach kernel is replaced with the Copland kernel, will the UNIX underpinnings still be there? (I hope so. I like UNIX...) Thanks! -- Avi Drissman drissman@acm.org http://www.science.wayne.edu/~adrissmn/ Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall live in a fantasyland blithely unaware of the _real_ causes of the conflict. For PGP Key, email me with the subject line "AERS-Send-PGP-Key"
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Next/Apple questions Date: 26 Dec 1996 05:48:48 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <59t3k0$ndf@news4.digex.net> References: <59stea$439@news2.acs.oakland.edu> drissman@detroit.freenet.org (Avi Drissman) wrote: > Lets see: 1) All the Next web screen shots I've seen are _huge_. > What is the minimum _required_ resolution, and what is the lowest > resolution I'd _want_ to run it? The minimum is 640X480. To me the practical limit is 1024X768, though I'm likely spoiled. Some of my friends say they can make due with 800X600. Your milage may vary. > 2) If the Mach kernel is replaced with the Copland kernel, will > the UNIX underpinnings still be there? (I hope so. I like UNIX...) I would imagine so. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: abergman@pantheon.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 26 Dec 1996 08:10:13 GMT Organization: Yale University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59tbt5$6md@news.ycc.yale.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu) wrote: : : What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? Dunno. Myst was done using Hypercard (roughly) on a Mac, however. Aaron -- Aaron Bergman -- abergman@minerva.cis.yale.edu <http://pantheon.yale.edu/~abergman/abergman.html> The quote left intentionally blank.
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 26 Dec 1996 06:56:40 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59t7j8$d9r@white.koehntopp.de> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: >> Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on >> NeXTSTEP. >Id software were the guys who developed _DOOM_ using NeXTSTEP, >right? >What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? And then there is this web server from Cern, which has strange looking C code. That's a port of something originally written in Objective-C for Nextstep. Or why do you think it is called HTTP "methods" and not HTTP "commands"? The web was invented on Nextstep and for Nextstep machines. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Make earth a happier place. De-invent the wheel today."
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 26 Dec 1996 09:50:38 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com>, ericu <ericu@execpc.com> wrote: > >Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state of evil >virui in that part of the hex universe? > This has probably allready been said, but, there arn't any. Nor will there ever be if they keep using Unix at the core. However, that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure it from casual inspection, and it has nicer (imho) tools too. Tim -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own wor#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!main.Germany.EU.net!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.nacamar.de!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 26 Dec 1996 23:19:43 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <59v16f$341@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59h7le$btl@Holly.aa.net> <matasar-ya023680002112961556430001@news.teleport.com> <59jcnp$sjq@News.Dal.Ca> <59k319$mvj@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <59kdhl$mrn@duke.squonk.net> <59m7hc$s26@white.koehntopp.de> <59neot$p@duke.squonk.net> <32C0015E.617E@adcon.co.at> <32C1971A.705C@worldnet.att.net> <59s4nd$953@duke.squonk.net> <32C1CEE5.2766@concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: scz-ca17-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Dec 26 5:19:43 PM CST 1996 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:172507 comp.sys.next.misc:23826 comp.sys.next.advocacy:47257 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:2616 Alan Lovejoy <alovejoy@concentric.net> wrote: > > I see no reason why MacStep shouldn't eventually be Posix-compliant, and > be Unix95 conformant. In certain markets that would probably be a big > help--especially against WindowsNT. FWIW, NEXTSTEP 3.3, the immediate predecessor to OPENSTEP 4.0, was POSIX-compliant. However, the POSIX library was pretty buggy. But I haven't heard very many positive comments about the quality of NT's POSIX library, either. So it probably wouldn't take much effort to fix the bugs in the NS 3.3 POSIX library and include it with the new Apple operating system. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:31:11 -0600 From: poundmacvits@hotmail.com Subject: BeOS and NeXT? Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, and it's multimedia creation capabilities haven't been really proven, not to mentions that software development will require mac developers to switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. All of this is offered by BeOS. However, the BeOS doesn't do networking nearly as well as the NeXTstep. Apple should consider working with Be to develop an alternative OS to it's planned NeXTMacOS. The BeMacOS could be it's main content creation platform and the NeXTMacOS would be it's networking/business/office operating system. The main reason Apple would do this is because BeOS is moving in as a major multimedia OS for the Powermac platform regardless and Apple could only benefit from having some say in it's develpment and a piece of the potential profits. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT OS screen shots? Date: 27 Dec 1996 01:39:01 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Message-ID: <59v9bl$9gp@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <SKYNET-ya023180002612961438190001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> In article <SKYNET-ya023180002612961438190001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> SKYNET@IX.NETCOM.COM (SKYNET SYSTEMS) writes: > Where would I be able to find some NeXT OS screen shots? Look at: http://www3.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/index.html -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin PST (E10, E3) fon (+49-89-): PST 2178-2134, Physik 2180-3442, Home 757480 url: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mpr@netcom.com (Elliot Wilen) Subject: Mac user wants to get started with Next Message-ID: <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 00:37:49 GMT Sender: mpr@netcom10.netcom.com For a Mac user who'd like to get a head start learning about the Next OS, can anyone suggest an inexpensive way to get started? If I understand correctly from FAQ's and Next's website, there is currently no way to run NextStep on a Mac. You couldn't, say, get OpenStep/Mach and run it on top of MachTen, I suppose. I have a deeply ingrained dislike of Intel boxes, but that could just be from what they're typically used for. Would a 486 be adequate? Or would I be better off with a used Next box (or something else)? Thanks for any help. --Elliot Wilen
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Where to go Macinstep Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 20:00:31 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <marcr-ya023480002612962000310001@news.tiac.net> References: <59m249$r70@www.univie.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael Alexander, a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at () wrote: [snip] > I hope they will go with the obvious of using Mach 3, in a let's say enabled > for two a processor configuration initially. Giving it 'plug&play' type > processor add on with all the task-level tools could be in a later release. > Things appear more difficult with all the BSD 4.3 around it; I guess all work > on it at NeXT has stopped some time ago and everything from sendmail to lpd > need updates. I'm wondering if CMU people are still doing work on Mach. [snip] What about Apple's NuKernal? I understand that Apple looked at Mach 3.0 and decided to write their own. From what I know, it's up and running on all PowerMac hardware and would solve the problem of device drivers. NuKernal seems like the best bet. --Marc Respass
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 27 Dec 1996 02:11:06 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <59vb7q$i6c@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> poundmacvits@hotmail.com wrote: > The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does > support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, and it's > multimedia creation capabilities haven't been really proven, NEXTSTEP was certainly far ahead of the pack with multimedia capabilities. The original NeXT hardware included a digital signal processor and software support in the form of Music and Sound Kits (class libraries). 3D Kit was based on Renderman which enhanced and worked seamlessly with the Display PostScript-based 2D support. Reports indicate that Apple engineers were impressed by the ability of OPENSTEP/Mach to play 5 NEXTIME movies simultaneously (NEXTIME is similar to QuickTime as far as I understand). NeXT has gradually dropped support for these multimedia capabilities as NEXTSTEP/Mach failed to succeed commercially, but these technologies continue to work under OPENSTEP/Mach and could be rejuvenated without a lot of effort, I would think. not to > mentions that software development will require mac developers to > switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. Believe me, Mac developers will look back and thank Apple for freeing them from C++ :-) The far more flexible Objective-C will make programming fun again. > All of this is offered by BeOS. However, the BeOS doesn't do > networking nearly as well as the NeXTstep. Apple should consider > working with Be to develop an alternative OS to it's planned > NeXTMacOS. The BeMacOS could be it's main content creation > platform and the NeXTMacOS would be it's networking/business/office > operating system. The main reason Apple would do this is because > BeOS is moving in as a major multimedia OS for the Powermac > platform regardless and Apple could only benefit from having some > say in it's develpment and a piece of the potential profits. Apple is going to have its hands full trying to release its new OS by the end of 1997. Apple absolutely cannot afford to release a buggy operating system or one that doesn't dazzle its current customers, so diluting its efforts by trying to involve Be seems foolish. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 18:57:20 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <carol1-2612961857200001@macip-ara-174.apple.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> In article <851492904.25627@dejanews.com>, poundmacvits@hotmail.com wrote: > The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. > ... > not to > mentions that software development will require mac developers to > switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. Why does this persist? MetroWerks has plainly stated that they will deliver C++ compilers which can link against Objective C binaries. This really will be a non-issue. I seriously doubt that after a pretty smart year, Gil and Ellen got an attack of the dumbs and will try to force everybody to switch to another languge. Unless Apple says otherwise at MacWorld, I would expect to see Objective C and C++ basicly as peers. ---- Andrew -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own. carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:10:24 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <carol1-2612961910250001@macip-ara-174.apple.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <59vb7q$i6c@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> In article <59vb7q$i6c@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) wrote: > Believe me, Mac developers will look back and thank Apple for freeing > them from C++ :-) The far more flexible Objective-C will make programming > fun again. This 'come to the light' thing is just not going to happen. While Objective C may have many benefits, being a widely used and TAUGHT industry standard is not one. Please note I am not saying C++ is better than Objective C, but rather that market truths will give greater hope of getting software in C++ rather than Objective C. Given developers who are leaning to making Mac software in addition to Windows software, they will find it easier to justify if they can share a common code base. This is not to say that some companies will not experiment with Objective C and wonder how they got on without it, but I think that their numbers will be smaller than the groups doing C++ work. If Apple is smart it will offer Objective C, C++ as relative peers. Oh well..... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own. carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:54:45 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What would be the cost for Apple to release a free or nearly free OPENSTEP runtime for other OS's? If they did this, then developers would be able to maintain only one version of their applications. They would need to only recompile to be usable
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 27 Dec 1996 02:00:49 GMT Organization: Zip News Message-ID: <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> poundmacvits@hotmail.com wrote in article <851492904.25627@dejanews.com>... > The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does > support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, Porting to the P-Mac shouldn't be extremely hard. and it's > multimedia creation capabilities haven't been really proven, Neither have Be's. Does the BeOS even have any OS services geared specifically toward multimedia creation like Quicktime? (serious question, not a flame). not to > mentions that software development will require mac developers to > switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. MetroWerks should iron that part out soon enough. > operating system. The main reason Apple would do this is because > BeOS is moving in as a major multimedia OS for the Powermac What makes the BeOS in it's current incarnation a better multimedia OS than NextStep?
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 01:41:21 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf396$ea1af5e0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com> guzzibill <scollarw@cadvision.com> wrote in article <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com>... > On 12/24/96, John Goerzen composed a News article about Re: Macintosh, > Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!: > ~>> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > ~>> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > ~>> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > ~>> > you using Macs? > > They've been converted by all the NeXT advocates bombarding their mac > newsgroups in the last 5 days! I've always like NeXT as an operating system. But NeXT as a platform -- the OS, the hardware, and the application support is what I didn't have any use for. Now that NeXT will run on Mac hardware and gain Mac developer support. NeXT will be the perfect platform.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 06:46:23 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59vrbv$j73@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: >In article <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org >(John Goerzen) wrote: > >> On 24 Dec 1996 06:07:35 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: >> >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >> > >> >NEXT OS $700, Developer $5,000, Web Objects Enterprise $25,000 etc.... >> > >> >NEXT/Mac OS $100, Developer $500 - $1,000, Web Objects $500 - $1,000 >> >> And if you buy a PC and put NeXT OS on it, you'd come out even now wouldn't >> you? >> >> BTW, just for comparison: >> >> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. and what do you get bundled with that? At least Next comes with a host a very useful apps and developers tools. Anyway...this is a Next user group.......
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Subject: Looking for someone with a functioning OD Message-ID: <1996Dec25.205726.27858@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 96 20:57:26 GMT Distribution: pgh Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA My OD is acting up and I need to get the contents of about three discs onto DAT tape. If you can help, please let me know. I have a DAT in a shoebox and the necessary cables. All I need is to be able to tar the stuff off the ODs. If by some chance you have a DAT, all the better! I am on vacation between now and New Years and I can probably be available almost any time. Otherwise evenings or weekends are the best bets. However, I can probably figure a way to be available to fit your schedule. Write to me@venetia.pgh.pa us if you can help. Give me your phone number and I will call. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Peirce Pittsburgh, PA 412-471-5320 rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 07:01:21 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: >In article <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > >> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: >> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac >> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are >> > you using Macs? >> >Simple, no software support. NeXt machines are much more expensive. > >-- >Rick McDaniel Software? I have word processing, spread sheet, drawing apps, Web Browser. Data Base, Imaging, Scanning, Developer, and tons of utilities. Next machines more expensive? Next runs on Intel...the same price you would pay for a machine running Win95....you all don't need 128meg of RAM, 200PPRO, wide SCSI, 21" monitor. A simple pentium 100 with IDE works fine....even with a 14" el cheapo monitor!
From: me@mysolution.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 08:25:32 GMT Organization: Internet Solutions Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> In article <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net>, <Scott> wrote: > >Next machines more expensive? Next runs on Intel...the same price you would >pay for a machine running Win95....you all don't need 128meg of RAM, 200PPRO, >wide SCSI, 21" monitor. A simple pentium 100 with IDE works fine....even >with a 14" el cheapo monitor! You are forgetting one very important part... NeXT, being an UNIX based OS, an development platform would be essential (I have it and I can tell you it saved me more than once!). So, now lets add the Operating System softwares... I believe that the OS itself is about $1000 and the development platform is a few thousands of dollars. Note that I am working on NeXTStep 3.3 prices. I have not tried 4.1 yet. So, yes, the HW may be cheap, but the software is Operating System itself is not. If you are an student, then you can get both the OS and develpment platform for $400 I believe. Lets take 2 examples: I am going by an ad I saw in a mail-order catalog for a Compaq Pentium machine for $599, and I'll assume that I am cheap and went to a used warehouse here in town and got a VGA monitor for $80.00. The HW cost here would be $679.00. The Compaq machine only have 8Mb of RAM and NeXTStep requires a minimum of 12Mb (Intel version anyway), so I'll add $40.00 for 2 2Mb strip of RAM. Now the price is $719.00. That is all we need for HW. If you are not a student, and purchased NeXTStep SW, then your cost would over $3700!!! Which pretty much is level with a PPC Mac, I believe. Personally, I'd run a Mac over NeXT because if I am to run UNIX, I'd rather run Solaris. -ME
From: HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: The Road Ahead Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:54:01 +0800 Organization: The WatchTower Message-ID: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been following the NeXT Mac discussions in various threads of late and have read more than a fair share of articles from online mags about related issues. Apparently, the new NeXT Mac OS will materialize to the world fully functional in the 98 time frame which is somewhen MS will release NT5. Does anyone see the next phase of the War of the OSes with the NeXTMac vs Cairo? Does anyone have any idea if the NeXTMac might even be 64bit to meet NT head to head?
From: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au (Leigh Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 27 Dec 1996 09:53:52 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a06bg$e62$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> References: <carol1-2612961910250001@macip-ara-174.apple.com> In article <carol1-2612961910250001@macip-ara-174.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) writes: >In article <59vb7q$i6c@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com >(Art Isbell) wrote: > >> Believe me, Mac developers will look back and thank Apple for freeing >> them from C++ :-) The far more flexible Objective-C will make programming >> fun again. > [snip] >This is not to say that some companies will not experiment with >Objective C and wonder how they got on without it, but I think >that their numbers will be smaller than the groups doing C++ work. > >If Apple is smart it will offer Objective C, C++ as relative peers. > >Oh well..... > NeXT's current compiler is actually Objective C++, in that both the static C++ message binding and Objective C dynamic binding are supported in the same source code. It's relatively trivial to keep much of the code in C++ and provide objective C messages to interface to the OS. That's assuming keeping the existing development paradigm. In general, most developers will probably need to radically change their paradigm to integrate with existing Frameworks, but this typically involves throwing code out that is already done by the framework and reusing the portions of code that aren't. The choice of C++ or Objective C is more illusionary than a real do or die decision. -- Leigh Smith Computer Science, University of Western Australia +61-9-380-1945 leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au (NeXTMail/MIME) "In a world where success means gaining time, thinking has a single but irredeemable fault: it's a waste of time" - J-F. Lyotard
From: geek@geeksrus.com (Steven W. Riggins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: File Sharing Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 03:03:21 -0800 Organization: Geeks R Us Message-ID: <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does NeXTStep allow you to mount another volume (or subvolume) from another NeXT machine and have it appear like a local volume? Steve
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 27 Dec 1996 08:31:29 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <5a01h1$if4@white.koehntopp.de> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <59vb7q$i6c@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <carol1-2612961910250001@macip-ara-174.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) writes: >If Apple is smart it will offer Objective C, C++ as relative peers. The Nextstep compiler is really an Objective-C++ compiler. It has been like this for several years now. This is possible, because the Objective-aspect of Objective-C is relatively independent of its C-aspect. You could cross the Objective-extensions of Objective-C with nearly every other language, producing a whole family of Objective languages. Again, this already has been done and I know at least of Objective-Tcl, Objective-Perl and I have even heard about an Objective-Cobol (but I don't know if it was meant as a joke). Although the result of such a crossbreeding with Objective-extensions produces a functioning language, it is not always pretty. Objective-C++ for example is a language with two different, incompatible class systems with radically different semantics and syntaxes. But since you asked for a painless migration path: There it is. Ah, and by the way: The Objective (really: Smalltalk) way of defining classes and calling them is much friendlier. You get rid of most of your recomplications, because the larger part of the fragile base class problem does not exist in Objective-anything. And getting rid of strong typing when you really want to is nice, too. For example for defining container- classes-that-work-and-have-real-iterators or for defining the- one-gui-control-that-i-need-not-recompile. And then there is proper runtime typing, enabling you to painlessly and savely run self defined gui classes within a vendor supplied interface builder. But as I said: Nobody forces you to become a happy and efficient programmer. The Nextstep compiler lets you choose. Exspect some interfacing uglyness, though, when talking to the Nextstep classes from C++. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "RfD: 'Umbettung aller Toten und Beisetzung quer zur urspruenglichen Liegerichtung'" -- Peter Berlich skizziert die erste Woche nach Thilo Pfennigs Tod (dtb)
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac user wants to get started with Next Date: 27 Dec 1996 08:37:00 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Message-ID: <5a01rc$ifb@white.koehntopp.de> References: <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> mpr@netcom.com (Elliot Wilen) writes: >I have a deeply ingrained dislike of Intel boxes, but that could just be >from what they're typically used for. Would a 486 be adequate? Or would >I be better off with a used Next box (or something else)? Nextstep for Intel processors runs fine on a 486DX2/66 with 32 MB of RAM, about 400 MB of disk space and a decent video card (2 MB of display memory or more) on a fast bus (VL, PCI). Larger machines (RAM, disk space, processor speed, in this order) are more fun, though. You will need a CD-ROM for installation. SCSI is more fun to install and to use, for disks and CD-ROMs (but I am talking to an Apple user, so why am I saying this?). Be sure to get a machine configuration that is listed in Next's hardware compatibility guide and be sure to download any OS and driver patches appropriate for your configuration from Next's server. Nextstep for Intel processors is a pain in the ass to install and is extremely sensitive to exotic or broken hardware. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "RfD: 'Umbettung aller Toten und Beisetzung quer zur urspruenglichen Liegerichtung'" -- Peter Berlich skizziert die erste Woche nach Thilo Pfennigs Tod (dtb)
From: jpgrosen@post2.tele.dk (Jens Peter Grosen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:16:15 +0200 Message-ID: <19961227141615334614@ppp150.arh.tele.dk> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <poundmacvits@hotmail.com> wrote: > The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does > support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, and it's > multimedia creation capabilities haven't been really proven, not to > mentions that software development will require mac developers to > switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. > All of this is offered by BeOS. However, the BeOS doesn't do > networking nearly as well as the NeXTstep. Apple should consider And BeOS is not finished (v1.0), it hasn't be put through years of public testing, and have nearly no native applications written for it. > working with Be to develop an alternative OS to it's planned > NeXTMacOS. The BeMacOS could be it's main content creation So Apple should develop and support 3 completely different OS's? The MacOS7.x, NeXTMacOS and BeMacOS. How should Apple persuade developers to develop for two completely different OS's? Apple should only support BeMacOS, and could only get developers to support BeMacOS, if BeMacOS has some major advantaged over NeXTMacOS. > platform and the NeXTMacOS would be it's networking/business/office > operating system. The main reason Apple would do this is because > BeOS is moving in as a major multimedia OS for the Powermac > platform regardless and Apple could only benefit from having some > say in it's develpment and a piece of the potential profits. Unfortunately BeOS will only make a profit if developers create applications for it, why should developers support BeOS unless it has some major advantages over NextMacOS? What is it that the BeOS offers, or is going to offer, that the NextMacOS isn't going to offer? They are working on porting it to the PowerPC, SMP, wrapping Obj C in C++ and properly porting a few of Apple's middelware technologies like QuickTime, and others to be determined. I really like BeOS, but right now I fail to see any advantages in it, except the fact that BeOS is shipping to developers right now. -- Jens Peter Grosen jpgrosen@post2.tele.dk http://home2.inet.tele.dk/jpgrosen "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac user wants to get started with Next Date: 27 Dec 1996 10:22:33 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <5a0pjp$q0t@papoose.quick.com> References: <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> In article <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com>, Elliot Wilen <mpr@netcom.com> wrote: >For a Mac user who'd like to get a head start learning about the Next OS, >can anyone suggest an inexpensive way to get started? If I understand >correctly from FAQ's and Next's website, there is currently no way to >run NextStep on a Mac. You couldn't, say, get OpenStep/Mach and run it >on top of MachTen, I suppose. > >I have a deeply ingrained dislike of Intel boxes, but that could just be >from what they're typically used for. Would a 486 be adequate? Or would >I be better off with a used Next box (or something else)? I too have had a long-standing dislike of the PC architecture. Despite this I have run 2 Intel/NeXT systems over the years. I found that as long as great care is taken (before purchase) to ensure that all the hardware is supported, that one can end up with a stable system. I have been very pleased with both the performance, and stability of these systems (typical uptimes limited only by power failures). With respect to the choice between NeXT hardware or Intel for getting used to NS, I think that you should first consider a couple of things. 1. Though the original NeXT is a beautiful piece of hardware it does show it's age (especially for compilation and other CPU intensive tasks like HTML->SGML conversion or image conversion in web browsing) 2. Price. 3. Expected life of your ownership. 4. What parts if any can be re-used or act in a dual use fashion. If you go with the NeXT route you will certainly be able to get a turbo slab for well under 1K. Be sure that you have at least 32MB of memory to help make up for the older CPU technology and SCSI controller. Despite it's age the responsiveness of the UI on the old hardware is still quite pleasant to work with (I still have both a 25Mhz Cube and a 33Mhz turbo slab running 3.3). If you go with an Intel box and expect you will always have other systems around that use SCSI, be sure to use SCSI rather IDE components. This way you will be able to take all the storage with you back to Apple hardware. Also be aware that one of the most expensive system components is the monitor. If you already use a MAC with a nice multi-sync monitor you may be able to just use that one monitor and drive it from whichever host you want to use at the time. Conversely if you purchase a nice new monitor make sure that it will work nicley on both Intel and Apple hardware. There is a great deal of variation in quality (and price) among various Intel components. If you could think about your budget and your goals for use, post it to the net for advice on particular solutions. For instance, if all you want is a short term opportunity to use NS User applications and shareware, you may be well suited by picking up a cheap box with even IDE disk. Will you require sufficient storage and (have/will) have lots of other systems to make it worthwile to purchase high quality components for re-use? Sorry I could not be of more help, but knowing so little about your computing requirements, style of use, budget, etc. I am loathe to recommend any specific solutions. p.s. It might also be helpful to know where you live, since people may have used equipment in your area that would fit your needs and make you an offer directly. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: "Hassan N. Kelley" <hassan@ssnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Why does samba compile fail? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:59:58 -0500 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Message-ID: <32C3F27E.278C@ssnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cannot build samba-1.9.16p9. I believe all of the sources are compiled but the build fails during the linking. I noticed that in the make file the symbol "LIBS" was not assigned to anything. Anyway I would appreciate anyhelp from anybody. By the way I am running NEXTSTEP 3.3. Thank you Hassan Using CFLAGS = -O -DSMBLOGFILE="/usr/local/samba/var/log.smb" -DNMBLOGFILE="/usr/local/samba/var/log.nmb" -DCONFIGFILE= "/usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf" -DLMHOSTSFILE= "/usr/local/samba/lib/lmhosts" -DLOCKDIR= "/usr/local/samba/var/locks" -DSMBRUN= "/usr/local/samba/bin/smbrun" -DWORKGROUP= "HOME_OFFICE" -DGUEST_ACCOUNT="guest" -DNEXT3_0 -arch m68k Using LIBS = Compiling server.c Compiling predict.c Compiling util.c Compiling system.c system.c: In function `sys_utime': system.c:193: warning: passing arg 2 of `utime' from incompatible pointer type Compiling charset.c Compiling kanji.c Compiling fault.c Compiling smbencrypt.c Compiling charcnv.c Compiling md4.c Compiling loadparm.c Compiling params.c Compiling pcap.c Compiling username.c Compiling time.c Compiling interface.c Compiling replace.c Compiling ufc.c Compiling smbpass.c Compiling access.c Compiling shmem.c Compiling trans2.c Compiling pipes.c Compiling message.c Compiling dir.c Compiling printing.c Compiling locking.c locking.c: In function `fcntl_lock': locking.c:85: warning: passing arg 3 of `fcntl' makes integer from pointer without a cast Compiling ipc.c Compiling reply.c Compiling mangle.c Compiling chgpasswd.c Compiling password.c Compiling quotas.c Compiling uid.c Linking smbd ld: Undefined symbols: _waitpid *** Exit 1 Stop.
From: battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu (Scott Hoppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: 27 Dec 1996 16:42:06 GMT Organization: The United States Civil War Center Message-ID: <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM >> >>Subject: Virus Alert >>Importance: High >> >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL >>GREETINGS! ; please delete it >>WITHOUT reading it. In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... > >What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't >contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run >it. Someday these people will learn.... > They completely missed the joke this time, because the original poster didn't use the Subject: 'PENPAL GREETINGS!'. -- -=( Scott )=- Scott Hoppe <battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu> http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/people/shoppe/staff.htm
From: Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:52:59 -0500 Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <32C40CFB.1CB4@asiatlanta.com> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karl Thomas wrote: >> software development will require mac developers to >> switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. > >MetroWerks should iron that part out soon enough. Quick point: you can mix and match C++ and Objective C - which is a point that many people don't seem to acknoledge. I had never seen ObjectiveC in my life, and within a few days I felt perfectly at home using Objective C to interact with the interface (.nib files will make native Mac developers jump up and down with joy) and I continued to use C++ to interact with the business logic areas. Actually, one thing nice about that is that UI stuff is what C++ is worst at - tight type checking does that to a programmer. C++ is great at object modelling, which is what a programming is supposed to really concentrate on anyhow :) Just my .02... Tim.
From: Gregory John Casamento <gcasamen@eos.hitc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:02:42 -0500 Organization: Hughes Applied Information Systems Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Goerzen wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? > I think many of them probably didn't have the money to buy a NeXT machine or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. Later, Greg C.
From: Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NeXT .eps file onto a Mac Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:58:40 -0500 Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <32C40E50.4C60@asiatlanta.com> References: <597p3m$g72@news.xmission.com> <598c7l$28m@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David A. Coyle wrote: > > In article <597p3m$g72@news.xmission.com> don@globalobjects.com (Don > Yacktman) writes: > > Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> wrote: > > > Along these same lines, does anyone know of a program to convert a > NeXT > > > .EPS file to any other form of raster image? I need to get it onto > > > Windows, and a .CDR or a .WMF (preferably) would be nice. > > > > There's epstotiff (a freebie) which converts .eps to .tiff, and > > there are plenty of tools to go from .tiff to any other bitmapped > > (raster) image format. I think what you meant to ask for is a > > way to convert .eps to another _vector_ image format (.wmf is a > > vector format). I don't know of anything out there that will do > > that conversion...unfortunately... I found that Corel Draw 7 did a GREAT job of reading the .EPS file (this is of course a Windows program :) but since the point was to get the image to Windows anyhow it certainly did the job. Every other Windows based program I tried that said it could read .EPS did nothing with the actual image part (although it showed the little blurb of text on the bottom.) Thought everyone would like to know. Tim.
From: Jeffrey J Barbose <barbose@HowLand.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:07:12 GMT Organization: HowLand Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a16p0$4uk@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> Jason, jasones@flash.net writes: >Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! >From: Jason, jasones@flash.net>Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:39:50 -0600 >>Thomas Vincent wrote: >> >> The fastest Power PC chips available right now are running something >> like 586 MGHZ. They will be available in March of 1997. > >500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring >different processors by thier Mhz... > >-Jason- you are correct. the 533MHz x704 (PPC 604e-compatible) is a very conservative design (few 'modern' optimizations compared to traditional chips), and it STILL beats the pants off of the 500MHz Alpha. Thanks for clearing that up. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Conformity is the ape of harmony." - Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) Copyright Jeffrey J Barbose. All rights reserved. The body of this message may not be reproduced except in direct replies via USENET or email.
From: Jeffrey J Barbose <barbose@HowLand.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:13:54 GMT Organization: HowLand Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a175i$5c3@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> Lance Togar, togar@msn.com writes: >And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >we haven't seen the light. > No, dear heart. You're not throwing your money away. You just have lower standards than the rest of us. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Conformity is the ape of harmony." - Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) Copyright Jeffrey J Barbose. All rights reserved. The body of this message may not be reproduced except in direct replies via USENET or email.
From: Jeffrey J Barbose <barbose@HowLand.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:16:03 GMT Organization: HowLand Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <5a179j$5c3@nntp1.best.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> Dave L., lewisda@tuns.ca writes: >True. Also, the reason nine out and ten computer purchases are not Mac's is >that Apple did not licence the operating system back in 1984. > > no no no no no...the major reason why Macs didn't catch on is because in the business world, where everything-PC was uncertain and untested, no one would buy anything but IBM-branded equipment. It took a few YEARS after that for Compaq et al to catch on. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Conformity is the ape of harmony." - Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) Copyright Jeffrey J Barbose. All rights reserved. The body of this message may not be reproduced except in direct replies via USENET or email.
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:42:21 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> In article <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > I HOPE TO GOD THIS IS WHAT THEY DO! They want to build market > share and give delopers EVERY reason to come and develop for their > platform. That's a way to guarantee it. A platform that lets them > develope one app for Mach, Solaris, NT, win95, linux, on tons of > different hardware for each platform, using real OOP stuff...HUGE > market...it's developer's nirvana. Something tells me that there are at least 100 Apple employees working on the OS project that understand this ;-). Also, Hancock *loves* enterprise stuff, so I bet there is a little twinkle in her eye over this very subject. I hope that Claris drives toward this. They could set an example of supporting multiple platforms in a more cost effective manner with the use of OpenStep... We *need* OpenStep for Win95! This is gonna be fun! -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 27 Dec 1996 11:38:02 -0800 Organization: Miskatonic University Department of Classics Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a18iq$j0f@crl.crl.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> In article <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com>, <me@mysolution.com> wrote: > You are forgetting one very important part... NeXT, being an UNIX based >OS, an development platform would be essential (I have it and I can tell you >it saved me more than once!). So, now lets add the Operating System >softwares... I believe that the OS itself is about $1000 and the development >platform is a few thousands of dollars. The prices were so high because the volumes were so low. Apple can amoratize the costs over a far higher volume. Prices should drop into line with those of PCs, for a full OS. I'd expect that Apple would more or less give away developer tools to jump start the community, at least until other dev environments come online. The pricing model has completely changed. you can't say anything based on past prices. -- Don McGregor |"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single chicken, mcgredo@crl.com | being possessed of a good fortune and presented with a good | road, must be desirous of crossing."
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:44:21 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Eaton wrote: > Something tells me that there are at least 100 Apple employees working on > the OS project that understand this ;-). Also, Hancock *loves* enterprise > stuff, so I bet there is a little twinkle in her eye over this very > subject. I hope that Claris drives toward this. They could set an example > of supporting multiple platforms in a more cost effective manner with the > use of OpenStep... We *need* OpenStep for Win95! This is gonna be fun! Hmmm. Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than Display Postscript, when running on a Windows box? That could be a big reason to use GX instead of DPS... -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Sharing Date: 27 Dec 1996 21:11:37 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5a1e29$k4f@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> In-Reply-To: <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> On 12/27/96, Steven W. Riggins wrote: > Does NeXTStep allow you to mount another volume (or subvolume) from another > NeXT machine and have it appear like a local volume? > Yes -- using NFS. You can also mount directories (volumes) from other Unix systems (e.g. Solaris), and, if the product is still available, across the Net using AFS. AppelTalk was bundled in NS3.0 -- there's a chance that might get resurrected, in which case I guess Apple volumes will be able to be mounted too. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 27 Dec 1996 21:25:15 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5a1err$kn5@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> In-Reply-To: <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> On 12/27/96, Mark Eaton wrote: >We *need* OpenStep for Win95! This is gonna be fun! > This is rumoured for OpenStep 4.2 Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:22:58 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> On 23 Dec 1996 12:20:57 GMT, mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: >> Disadvantages: >> Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up. >> >Unix is an *advantage*. Most definitely. Without it, I would likely have to move over to WinNT4. But with UNIX in there that I can get at, NeXTMac (PowerNeXT?, MacNeXT? OpenMac? MacStep???) is worthwhile. A nice flavor of UNIX (or at least a useable one, compatible with networking and TCP utils and apps) with a good GUI, all in a stable package would be pretty useful. on my PCI based 604 platform.
From: "Michael Davis" <md444@mis.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Questions Date: 26 Dec 1996 23:32:31 GMT Organization: Mikrotec Internet Services, Inc. (MISNet) Message-ID: <01bbf3a5$4320d840$d8e344cc@home.mis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the following setup-- AMd K5-100 FIC 2006 motherboard EIDE harddrive and cdrom 32meg ram ATI 3D xpression card Alps Glidepoint Keybrd Zoom .34I modem Will I have to dump any of these to use openstep? Can I get decent = speed from my graphics card? What should I expect as far as overall = system speed(considering my setup)? ALso, which scanners does openstep = support? Printers? What is the best web Broswer to use on openstep?
From: tzs@coho.halcyon.com (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 26 Dec 1996 22:53:25 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus, Inc. - Professional Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <59uvl5$ppo@news1.halcyon.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <jchan-ya023580002112960132300001@news.apk.net> Jerome Chan <jchan@apk.net> wrote: >In article <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca>, Aristophanes <scribe@netcom.ca> wrote: >>Derek Juntunen wrote: >>> time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. >> >>http://www.next.com/Merger.html >> >>Good enough? > ><http://www.apple.com/> It's on the front page. They also mailed it to all the Apple developers on the 21st. (Actually, there were three mailings. One from their CTO, one telling that Metrowerks will have Objective C and Next support in Codewarrior and it will be included as part of one's regular Codewarrior subscription, and one that looked like a press release). --Tim Smith
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:23:50 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-2712961423500001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> In article <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > Mark Eaton wrote: > > > Something tells me that there are at least 100 Apple employees working on > > the OS project that understand this ;-). Also, Hancock *loves* enterprise > > stuff, so I bet there is a little twinkle in her eye over this very > > subject. I hope that Claris drives toward this. They could set an example > > of supporting multiple platforms in a more cost effective manner with the > > use of OpenStep... We *need* OpenStep for Win95! This is gonna be fun! > > Hmmm. > > Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than Display Postscript, > when running on a Windows box? That could be a big reason to use > GX instead of DPS... > As Garrance and Lawson are already arguing this in another thread, I'll leave feature comparisons alone. But as a Mac user, I want to voice my support for DPS. Sure GX is cool tech, but DPS is right up the publishing alley. Any solution which involves combining the two ought to leave DPS as the default and make GX optional for developers that want to use it. GX needs to prove its worthiness; something that PostScript already does on a daily basis. I did like the idea that somebody mentioned, of rolling some of the GX features into existing OpenStep classes. -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
From: Roy Nicholl <Roy.Nicholl@ASG.unb.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 27 Dec 1996 18:46:12 -0400 Organization: Atlantic Systems Group Sender: rnicholl@angus.ASG.unb.ca Message-ID: <874th74nd7.fsf@angus.ASG.unb.ca> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <19961227141615334614@ppp150.arh.tele.dk> In-reply-to: jpgrosen@post2.tele.dk's message of Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:16:15 +0200 To: jpgrosen@post2.tele.dk (Jens Peter Grosen) In article <19961227141615334614@ppp150.arh.tele.dk> jpgrosen@post2.tele.dk (Jens Peter Grosen) writes: > So Apple should develop and support 3 completely different OS's? The > MacOS7.x, NeXTMacOS and BeMacOS. ..or Apple could stop flip-flopping and get behind the PowerPC consortium and support a standardised hardware reference [PPCP/CHRP...or whatever it has been labelled this month]. This would eliminate any possibility of having to support three OSes [let's face it, Apple is its collective hands full just trying to deliver one OS before the next millennium]. > > How should Apple persuade developers to develop for two completely > different OS's? > Apple should only support BeMacOS, and could only get developers to > support BeMacOS, if BeMacOS has some major advantaged over NeXTMacOS. It would seem to I that Apple's interests are best served if they focus their persuasion efforts on their own OS. Let Steve and the Be-Team worry about their own. Essentially, each OS will stand by its own merits and this is what will attract/repel developers. Apple has the history and the install base, and though I have found porting to it easier than Microsloth's environments, it has its share of out-dated baggage. NeXT was revolutionary in its time [so I bought one... and was able to learn and experiment with many new ideas] and, though Jobs et al. are still doing interesting things, the age of the premise on which NeXTStep is built shows through. BeOS, on the other-hand, is a conscious decision to start fresh [kind of like moving and leaving all your furniture behind...what, doesn't everyone do this?] and deliver a modern OS designed to support the applications of the next decade...it's clean, it's brisk, and, though not as familiar as MacOS or NeXTStep [which is actually a good thing], it's enticing. ...now if we could just nail-down that reference platform ;) > Unfortunately BeOS will only make a profit if developers create > applications for it, why should developers support BeOS unless it has > some major advantages over NextMacOS? And back in the mid '80s, when I un-boxed my Amiga [OK...perhaps not the best example] and Mac, the same remarks were being made. > > What is it that the BeOS offers, or is going to offer, that the > NextMacOS isn't going to offer? They are working on porting it to the > PowerPC, SMP, wrapping Obj C in C++ and properly porting a few of > Apple's middelware technologies like QuickTime, and others to be > determined. BeOS offers the developer [that would be us...or at least some of us], the rarest of opportunities [in commercial software development]: to dream. I am not simply talking about being creative here, or even innovative; those are part of the job description. What I am talking about is the "forget everything you know, have tea with Mr. Hatter" type of dreaming. The opportunity to build something that has yet to be inspired anywhere without the burden of wondering if it will interface with the latest evolution of Quicktime, or OLE, or whatever. This type of freedom comes seldom. > I really like BeOS, but right now I fail to see any advantages in it, > except the fact that BeOS is shipping to developers right now. ...Ok Jens, get up off that chair; take a deep breath; click the left mouse button three times; and repeat after I..."we're not in Seattle Anymore" ;) Bugs & Fishes, Roy -- Roy Nicholl Atlantic Systems Group Phone: (506) 453-3505 Incutech Centre Fax: (506) 453-5004 B/S 69000 E-Mail: Roy.Nicholl@ASG.unb.ca Fredericton, NB Canada E3B 6C2
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:55:04 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <carol1-2712961455040001@17.219.103.198> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> In article <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com>, sschaper@inlink.com wrote: > Most definitely. Without it, I would likely have to move over to > WinNT4. I think a good move would be to simply finish what Next started which was to make the Unix invisible except to those who want to see it. In the end, my Mom doesn't want to see even a hint that there is a Unix under, but I, on occasion, certainly would. -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own. carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Message-ID: <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 27 Dec 96 15:16:51 MDT References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> Cc: karlt@ilinks.net In <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> "Karl Thomas" wrote: > What makes the BeOS in it's current incarnation a better multimedia OS than > NextStep? It is a true real-time OS. Mach in its current incarnation is not.
From: shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu (Shimpei Yamashita) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 27 Dec 1996 15:11:25 -0800 Organization: Hummingbird Heaven Message-ID: <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> In article <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu>, Tim <tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu> wrote: >In article <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com>, >ericu <ericu@execpc.com> wrote: >> >>Given the small size of the NeXTStep user base, what is the state of evil >>virui in that part of the hex universe? >> >This has probably allready been said, but, there arn't any. Nor >will there ever be if they keep using Unix at the core. However, >that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you >get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure >Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to >NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure >it from casual inspection, and it has nicer (imho) tools too. I think you're underestimating the situation. I am willing to bet that many (if not most) home users will use their system all the time as root. You have to admit, it's more convenient that way. Now, people like you and I have enough discipline to be root as infrequently as possible, but a lot of people won't because they don't understand the ramifications. And once these people download a suspicious shareware program/ActiveX control/Netscape plugin/whatever, a virus will have no more trouble creeping into the system than they do on MacOS because they have complete superuser privileges. Granted, it isn't as automatic as it would be under less secure systems, but it is naive to assume that people will take all the security precautions needed to keep viruses/Trojan horses away. I've never heard of Netinfo, by the way. Is it Nextstep-specific, or is it cross-platform? Is there a web site where I can read up on it? Anything that lets me get rid of NIS (that isn't NIS+) would be a godsend. -- Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.cco.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/> Graduate Student, Caltech Dept. of Physics shimpei@socrates.caltech.edu
From: quinlan@sfu.ca (Brian Quinlan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 27 Dec 1996 23:39:33 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Message-ID: <5a1mnl$qeg@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> edx@cc.usu.edu writes: >It is a true real-time OS. Mach in its current incarnation is not. I believe that Apple will probably use NuKernal. -- Brian Quinlan "Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac quinlan@sfu.ca user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:02 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c45ef2.83768347@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: >djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: >>Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >>: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >>: >>: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >>: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >> >>Here's a suggestion: wait until Apple or NeXT makes an official >>announcement. The LA Times only says "sources" at Apple, which should >>sound familiar to those who've followed the company for any period of >>time. I'm skeptical until I hear it directly from Apple or NeXT. > >And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. >Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that >failed... > >The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) > AND everyone seems to think that bolting NeXTon to the MAC OS (or the other way around) is like changng spark plugs in a car. When it gets mean and dirty, Jobs'll be onto some other "insanely great" project (fired or otherwise). Naturally, the mess will turn out to MS's fault.
From: michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT/Apple - the gaming connection Date: 27 Dec 1996 16:16:32 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a0sp0$ob0@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> <59tbt5$6md@news.ycc.yale.edu> <59udsj$1ms@duke.squonk.net> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >In case people are wondering, these games were not developed using >any NeXTSTEP-specific API's. As I understand it, the companies >just liked NeXTSTEP because the machine didn't crash when they >tripped over bugs during the development phase. I imagine both >games were developed using C++ or perhaps straight C. ID-Software, who developed Doom, used a crosscompiler. They ported the DOS port of GCC, DJGPP, to NeXTSTEP. And they uploaded it to the archives (I think I found it on peanuts). The last version I know about, is based on gcc 2.6.0. This is from the README: Why? "Hosting" a port of gcc to DOS under NeXTSTEP seems like a pretty weird idea, why would one do it? Because Id Software wanted to be able to do all their development under NeXTSTEP and they needed a compiler that would produce DOS executables. This work is courtesy of Id Software as they paid for the port. Where? Submitted to: ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.README ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.NS.src.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.NSm68k.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/pub/next/submissions/djgpp.NSi386.tar.gz It should migrate to: ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.README ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.NS.src.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.NSm68k.tar.gz ftp://ftp.cs.orst.edu/software/NeXT/binaries/proglang/djgpp.NSi386.tar.gz Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Sharing Message-ID: <1996Dec27.164438.90967@cc.usu.edu> From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 27 Dec 96 16:44:38 MDT References: <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> Cc: geek@geeksrus.com In <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> Steven W. Riggins wrote: > Does NeXTStep allow you to mount another volume (or subvolume) from another > NeXT machine and have it appear like a local volume? NFS
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 28 Dec 1996 00:53:39 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Message-ID: <joel-2712961651110001@mfs-annex1-p34.dsphere.net> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <19961227141615334614@ppp150.arh.tele.dk> >> The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does >> support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, and it's >> multimedia creation capabilities haven't been really proven, not to >> mentions that software development will require mac developers to >> switch to a new language just when they were gettings used to C++. First off, if I remember correctly, NeXT did a port of Nextstep to the PowerPC a few years back when they were going to move their nextstations to powerpc, but dropped it in favor of not doing hardware at all. This would give them a code base to work from of powerpc native code. I expect this was probably part of Steve's proposal to the board. Secondly, SMP is supposedly in the works for Nextstep. The more I think about this whole merger, the more I like it. It is conceivable that when all of this is done, the Nextmacos will run on PowerPC, Sparc, HP, Intel, and even the lowly 68k, after all the Next code runs on everything but the powerpc today! Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:50:29 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <carol1-2712961650290001@17.219.103.236> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> In article <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu>, edx@cc.usu.edu wrote: > In <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> "Karl Thomas" wrote: > > What makes the BeOS in it's current incarnation a better multimedia OS than > > NextStep? > > It is a true real-time OS. Mach in its current incarnation is not. It is NOT a "real-time" OS. It has a kind of thread which they _call_ real-time, but are not even remotely close to the accepted definition of what a 'real-time' OS is. This is not to say that Be does not have kick-butt multi-media, simply that it does not do this with 'real-time' threads. Be calls hi-priority threads which can't be interuppted except by a higher priority thread 'real-time'. Bad call. Oh well..... -- Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own. carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org
From: joel@fefcful.org (Joel Lingenfelter) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 01:12:26 GMT Organization: First Evangelical Free Church Distribution: inet Message-ID: <joel-2712961709590001@mfs-annex1-p34.dsphere.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <slrn5c0deq.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59rsd0$257u@elmo.cadvision.com> <01bbf396$ea1af5e0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> >> ~>> jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: >> ~>> > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac >> ~>> > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are >> ~>> > you using Macs? I have both, thank you very much. I find the Mac much more useful for my day to day work. I find that I can work much much faster on the mac overall. It helps that my mac is a 8500/120 64/3GB and my NeXT is only a Monostation... The NeXT LOOKS way cooler though, just ask anyone who's come into my office since I brought it in from home. Seriously, I love nextstep and I love my next, but I've found that the apps available on the mac allow me to be a lot more productive. I'm looking forward to a hybrid that gives me what I love about my next (the dock, the file viewer, the stability, the multitasking, the access to the unix shell) with what I love about my mac (the interface, the apps, the customization, the widespread availability of hardware and software, color...) Joel | Joel Lingenfelter -=+=- | Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be | transformed by the renewing of your mind. - Romans 12:2a
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 00:41:35 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf457$bedff120$6cc289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59gksg$aq@precipice.fdn.fr> <32c45ef2.83768347@news.sover.net> Lance Togar <togar@msn.com> wrote in article <32c45ef2.83768347@news.sover.net>... > hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: > > >djunt@mtu.edu (Derek Juntunen) wrote: > >>Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: > >And after the announcement, check for the Real Product. > >Do you remember Pink, PReP, Kaleida and all other partnerships that > >failed... PReP by many accounts wasn't a partnership, It was IBM trying to force Apple to go along with their design. PPCP though isn't out yet but calling it a failure is a bit premature. > > > >The only partnership that didn't fail is I'M_MS_AND_I_DECIDE_WHAT_I_WANT :-) > > The PPC chip itself was a partnership and I wouldn't consider that a failure either.
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From: jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 28 Dec 1996 02:03:54 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Message-ID: <5a1v6a$2s5@News.Dal.Ca> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <5a1mnl$qeg@morgoth.sfu.ca> Brian Quinlan (quinlan@sfu.ca) wrote: : edx@cc.usu.edu writes: : >It is a true real-time OS. Mach in its current incarnation is not. : I believe that Apple will probably use NuKernal. Which, to elaborate, may or may not be RT. In the original nuKernal white paper it was stated that it was not true RT. However, Apple also claimed that they would not adopt the BeKernal because it wasn't true RT (which I thought was not true). There is nothing publicly known about the current state of the nuKernal but it appears that it is probably RT and Apple claims that it is finished. I hope they use the nuKernal. SMP was designed in from the beginnning and the messaging services are supposed to be far superior to UNIX. ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Christie "You aren't free because you CAN choose - only if you DO choose." "All you are is the decisions you make. If you let circumstances make them for you then what you are becomes very easy to estimate."
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:49:27 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R2712962149270001@news.erols.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: >Does anyone see the next phase of the War of the OSes with the NeXTMac vs >Cairo? Does anyone have any idea if the NeXTMac might even be 64bit to meet NT >head to head? > If all goes well The new OS will be competing directly with NT. Should be very interesting. I was thinking about this and remembered something Bill Gates had supposedly said when asked if he would be developing for the NeXT machines. "Develop for them? I'll piss on them!" Anyone have any idea what Micr$oft will make of this whole Apple/NeXT deal? -Scott -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:58:34 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than Display Postscript, >when running on a Windows box? That could be a big reason to use >GX instead of DPS... > I've just had a thought while reading this thread. There's been some discussion about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have to use it. No? I mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into the new OS instead of DP right? Also, what about regular old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward compatible from a QD programming standpoint? Sorry if this doesn't fit in exactly with the original thread. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: Henry McGilton <henry@trilithon.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:45:53 +0000 Organization: Pacific Traders Message-ID: <32C44391.7717@trilithon.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Maxwell wrote: * In article <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: * * Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than * * Display Postscript, when running on a Windows box? * * That could be a big reason to use GX instead of DPS... * I've just had a thought First one this year? * while reading this thread. There's been some discussion * about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have to use it. * No? I mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into * the new OS instead of DP right? Also, what about regular * old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward compatible from a * QD programming standpoint? Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhh! ``Oh no! Look! He's foaming at the mouth! He's thrashing around on the floor! Looks like an attack of the ague! Where's the Quinine?!? Bar Steward! Double Gin and Tonic! Chop Chop! Yes Sir! In comes Major Greg, a tall gentleman with a military bearing, which he repeatedly tossed in the air and caught in his hand. OK, Henry --- you're all right. Calm down lad. Here, Avagadro --- no thanks, I'm trying to give 'em up. Bar Steward! More Tranquiliser!
From: Tim Dawson <tdawson@is.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Sharing Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 00:19:04 -0600 Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. Message-ID: <32C4BBD7.60BF@is.com> References: <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------1765B6441EF4" To: "Steven W. Riggins" <geek@geeksrus.com> ------------1765B6441EF4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a word, yes. You would use NFS (it comes with NEXTSTEP) to do just such a thing. Based on your question, I would hazard a guess that you're not familiar with NFS or unix filesystems in general for that matter. One interesting thing you might want to note is that you probably won't see it as a separate "volume" . The filesystem is seamless to the user, hiding the details of where things actually are (whether locally, on a peer, or on a server) unless you explicitly want to see it. Tim Dawson Integrity Solutions, Inc. Steven W. Riggins wrote: > > Does NeXTStep allow you to mount another volume (or subvolume) from another > NeXT machine and have it appear like a local volume? > > Steve ------------1765B6441EF4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY> <DT>In a word, yes.</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>You would use NFS (it comes with NEXTSTEP) to do just such a thing. Based on your question, I would hazard a guess that you're not familiar with NFS or unix filesystems in general for that matter. One interesting thing you might want to note is that you probably won't see it as a separate "volume" . The filesystem is seamless to the user, hiding the details of where things actually are (whether locally, on a peer, or on a server) unless you explicitly want to see it.</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>Tim Dawson</DT> <DT>Integrity Solutions, Inc.</DT> <DT> </DT> <DT>Steven W. Riggins wrote:<BR> > <BR> > Does NeXTStep allow you to mount another volume (or subvolume) from another<BR> > NeXT machine and have it appear like a local volume?<BR> > <BR> > Steve<BR> </DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------1765B6441EF4--
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 02:08:51 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C4C783.759C@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <32C44391.7717@trilithon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henry McGilton wrote: > Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhh! ``Oh no! Look! He's > foaming at the mouth! He's thrashing around on the floor! > Looks like an attack of the ague! Where's the Quinine?!? > Bar Steward! Double Gin and Tonic! Chop Chop! Yes Sir! > In comes Major Greg, a tall gentleman with a military bearing, > which he repeatedly tossed in the air and caught in his hand. > OK, Henry --- you're all right. Calm down lad. Here, > Avagadro --- no thanks, I'm trying to give 'em up. Bar > Steward! More Tranquiliser! A round of applause for the CSNA Players, please... <clap clap clap> -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > In <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> David J Harr wrote: > > _BUT_ the reality is that > > I make my money contract programming video games, and there has never > > been a single company that ever even _HINTED_ that wanted a port to > > NeXT done. > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on NeXTSTEP. Id, at least, did a lot more than prototype. In the creation of a game, they need custom tools fast, for creating maps, etc.; I assume Trilobyte did used NeXTstep for the same reasons. The games were targeted at PCs due to market, and NeXTstep - as it stands - is not a great games deployment platform. Something I'm sure Apple will rectify - another reason for me to be happy about this merger. For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. Shortly after Quake shipped, Id shifted to NT; the only reason I actually saw was because it made working with OpenGL much easier, but there are also other aspects of being able to distribute tools that the general public can use without having to rewrite them. John Carmack has publically said that he does miss some aspects of NeXTstep since Id moved away from it, he's happy with the news of the merger, and he indicated that if Apple does the right thing with NeXTstep, he might start using Macs for creating games. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok Want NeXTstep user environment info? Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/People/andrew/MacUsersGuideToNEXTSTEP/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 28 Dec 1996 07:27:06 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > In article <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > > > Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than Display > > Postscript, when running on a Windows box? That could be a big > > reason to use GX instead of DPS... > > I've just had a thought while reading this thread. There's been > some discussion about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have > to use it. They do not have to use it. There is no law of congress, or of nature, that will force them to use it. There's also no law that says they'll get their new operating system released before the turn of the century. Certainly if we all don't mind waiting around for five or ten years, I'm sure they can use any old display technology that comes to mind. > No? I mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into the > new OS instead of DPS right? This is not likely. It is very unlikely. It might be doable, but it *certainly* is not "just as easy" to rewrite OpenStep than it would be to just run code that already exists and is debugged. It might be worth doing, if they have the time, but it most certainly would not be "as easy". I don't think they need to add challenges like this to their project. > Also, what about regular old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward > compatible from a QD programming standpoint? > > Sorry if this doesn't fit in exactly with the original thread. Well, I'm not sure of the programming details between QD and QDGX. If they are supposed to be compatable, then it's a shame that Macintosh users have so many printing problems when they install QuickDrawGX. In terms of the new operating system, it is even much more unlikely that they are going to rip out DPS in favor of the older QuickDraw. I'd say this event is less likely than the moon leaving orbit, landing on the summit of mount everest, and staying there. That is just my opinion, of course. What Apple *will* have to do is come up with some way for current Macintosh apps to call quickdraw routines, and have those translated into DPS. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 28 Dec 1996 08:43:29 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5a2mjh$4pb@duke.squonk.net> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> poundmacvits@hotmail.com wrote: > The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does > support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, [etc] First, some of the comments in your article are wrong. Second, this article is an "advocacy" article. I know you think that this whole planet must listen you your babblings before you see what other people have said, but there have been several hundred articles on these very same topics in the advocacy newsgroups. If you can't figure out simple issues of usenet newsgroups, then there's not much point to the rest of this discussion. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 28 Dec 1996 13:11:39 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5a36ab$5nn@duke.squonk.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu (Shimpei Yamashita) wrote: > I think you're underestimating the situation. > > I am willing to bet that many (if not most) home users will use > their system all the time as root. You have to admit, it's more > convenient that way. Now, people like you and I have enough > discipline to be root as infrequently as possible, but a lot of > people won't because they don't understand the ramifications. If Apple can improve the system such that people rarely have to log onto root, then this will be less of a problem. I do realize it's an issue that they need to think about, perhaps by having it so some things won't work if you run them as root. Not quite sure what. Or maybe have some irritating dialog pop up every 15 minutes if you are logged in at the console as root. That's what comes to mind after 5 seconds of thinking about it. I do agree there's an issue, but it's probably true that it will require more than 5 seconds to come up with a good way to address the issue... :-) --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NEXTSTEP Security, and NetInfo Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 28 Dec 1996 14:48:42 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> Cc: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY,COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC In <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: > that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you > get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure Security is an issue anytime a system provides services over a network, or is physically accessible by people who shouldn't touch it. It's *less* of an issue with a UNIX (or even NT) system than with something entirely lacking in multiuser support and basic filesystem security, such as MacOS or DOS/Windows. As for NEXTSTEP, it's no more secure than any other UNIX. In fact, it's arguably a little lacking in that area. No support for ACLs, and a study of the stability of UNIX tools in various environments rated NEXTSTEP the worst. (I might be able to hunt down a URL if anyone's interested.) The naming service used (NIS, NIS+, NetInfo) is a separate issue. > Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to > NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure NIS is a crock wrt security, so it's not saying much that NetInfo beats it there. But NIS+ supports encryption of authentication and information transfers, which NetInfo can't do. However, NIS+ is much harder to use, and less available across platforms. NetInfo is also notoriously touchy. Futzing up a machine or even an entire NetInfo network is easier than toasting bread. > it from casual inspection, and it has nicer (imho) tools too. I do like the tools, though. If I had three wishes for NetInfo, they would be: 1) Make it more robust, easier to withstand small problems. 2) Support encryption everywhere. 3) Make licensing inexpensive. (Anyone have current prices?) I'd also like it supported on a few more platforms: IRIX, SCO, even Linux. Maybe even NT? If NetInfo could do all this, I could recommend it as an enterprise-wide solution for one of my current employers, instead of just using it for our NEXTSTEP machines. As it stands, I really can't. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Mac user wants to get started with Next Message-ID: <E34uCM.A6L@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:41:10 GMT In article <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> mpr@netcom.com (Elliot Wilen) writes: > For a Mac user who'd like to get a head start learning about the Next OS, > can anyone suggest an inexpensive way to get started? If I understand > correctly from FAQ's and Next's website, there is currently no way to > run NextStep on a Mac. You couldn't, say, get OpenStep/Mach and run it > on top of MachTen, I suppose. > > I have a deeply ingrained dislike of Intel boxes, but that could just be > from what they're typically used for. Would a 486 be adequate? Or would > I be better off with a used Next box (or something else)? > If you consider a 486, better get a used (Turbo) station. They're aplenty (and cheap) on c.s.n.marketplace; possibly, add some new diskdrive and more memory and you're done with. A well balanced Pentium machine will outperform a NeXT machine on most (if not all) accounts. Although, I share your contempt for the PC architecture (and speed is not all what counts ;-) -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: gary@mail.pex.net (Gary Marantos) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:06:08 -0800 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <gary-ya023180002812961106080001@news.connectnet.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca> <rickeym-2412960120440001@10.0.2.15> <32c012fb.14102618@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Volkswagen Beetle is the biggest selling automobile of all time. There are more Beetles on the road than any other car. Does that make it the best car on the road? I don't give a fuck about the online wars of my OS (or computer) is better than yours. I erased WindowsNT server because NeXTStep/OPENSTEP can do the same thing and are more of a pleasure to use. Not everyone is a Gates-following lemming. :) In article <32c012fb.14102618@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > rickeym@hubcap.clemson.edu (Rick McDaniel) wrote: > > >In article <lewisda-ya023080002312961526210001@news.dal.ca>, > >lewisda@tuns.ca (Dave L.) wrote: > > > >> togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> > >> > And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > >> > But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just > >> > sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because > >> > we haven't seen the light. > > > >More people drive chevy trucks than chevy corvette's too, but it doesn't > >mean that they are better. > > > >-- > >Rick McDaniel > > If I had to be SURE of getting somewhere. I'd certainly choose the > Chevy truck over the Corvette. If your anaolgy is meant to compare MAC > PCs to Intel PCs then it doesn't apply. However, if you wish to apply > it anyway, who do you think gets more work done - the Chevy truck > driver or the Corvette jockey?
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 28 Dec 1996 12:15:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> said: >scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >> In article <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: >> >> > Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than Display >> > Postscript, when running on a Windows box? That could be a big >> > reason to use GX instead of DPS... >> >> I've just had a thought while reading this thread. There's been >> some discussion about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have >> to use it. > >They do not have to use it. There is no law of congress, or of >nature, that will force them to use it. There's also no law that >says they'll get their new operating system released before the >turn of the century. Certainly if we all don't mind waiting around >for five or ten years, I'm sure they can use any old display >technology that comes to mind. > Obviously, time-to-market issues are a concern. But if APple standardizes on DPS from the beginning, then they are likely going to be stuck with it. And DPS is NOT as capable as GX. Class libraries that use GX as the base graphics API are going to be far more useable and powerful, IMHO. >> No? I mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into the >> new OS instead of DPS right? > >This is not likely. It is very unlikely. It might be doable, >but it *certainly* is not "just as easy" to rewrite OpenStep >than it would be to just run code that already exists and is >debugged. It might be worth doing, if they have the time, >but it most certainly would not be "as easy". I don't think >they need to add challenges like this to their project. Actually, since Lawrence has written a PDD => Acrobat translator and someone else has written a PostSCript => GX translator, I don't think that the translation issue is going to be THAT time-consuming. Maybe to do it "right" enough to satisfy current NeXT/OpenStep users, but to just get it working? > >> Also, what about regular old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward >> compatible from a QD programming standpoint? >> >> Sorry if this doesn't fit in exactly with the original thread. > >Well, I'm not sure of the programming details between QD and QDGX. >If they are supposed to be compatable, then it's a shame that >Macintosh users have so many printing problems when they install >QuickDrawGX. That is a printing architecture issue that Apple never devoted enough resources to resolving. It has to do with how the old print drivers allowed hacks that used poorly documented/non-documented services, not with any QD=> GX compatibility issues. > >In terms of the new operating system, it is even much more unlikely >that they are going to rip out DPS in favor of the older QuickDraw. >I'd say this event is less likely than the moon leaving orbit, >landing on the summit of mount everest, and staying there. That >is just my opinion, of course. > >What Apple *will* have to do is come up with some way for current >Macintosh apps to call quickdraw routines, and have those translated >into DPS. > And that is why this whole scenario is so dangerous. The translation of QD into GX is already resolved in the printing architecture, whereas the translation of QD into DPS is not. For instance, how does DPS handle irregularly shaped regions? QD uses a patented algorithm that is STILL superior to anything else on the market. GX could use (and may already use) this algorithm internally, since both QD and GX are owned by Apple. How does one transplant QD graphics into DPS and get anything approaching real-time speed? More likely, they'll just grab a section of video memory and use that for GX display. BTW, what are the limits of DPS as far as multiple monitors are concerned? QD (and by extension, GX) allow a maximum of 32,000x32,000x32-bit pixels using any number of monitors in any configuration of color-depths, sizes, shapes, etc, as long as every monitor touches at least one other monitor. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 19:25:30 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> Gregory John Casamento <gcasamen@eos.hitc.com> wrote: >John Goerzen wrote: >> >> So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such >> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >> > >I think many of them probably didn't have the money to buy a NeXT >machine >or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. > >Later, > >Greg C. patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP? Its so easy my mother could do it!
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 19:59:16 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c57b1a.14061585@news.inlink.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> <carol1-2712961455040001@17.219.103.198> On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:55:04 -0800, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com>, sschaper@inlink.com wrote: > >> Most definitely. Without it, I would likely have to move over to >> WinNT4. > >I think a good move would be to simply finish what Next started >which was to make the Unix invisible except to those who want to >see it. > >In the end, my Mom doesn't want to see even a hint that there is >a Unix under, but I, on occasion, certainly would. > Exactly. Make it invisible to the typical user, but let it be there, via something analogous to the Apple Menu, in a way similar, perhaps, to the way you can get at DOS from within Win95, for those of us who do want to access the UNIX command line, for certain purposes. But have a GUI cover over everything, including internet setup, for the non-sysadmin user. I'm not familiar with the interface development environment, but it sounds from press reports as it it should be fairly easy to put together GUI front ends to pass the args to the underlying Mach and UNIX apps. Steve Schaper ComputerUser
From: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX transparency pt 1 (was Re: Kernel issues (was Re: Date: 28 Dec 96 15:32:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <AEEAEE27-4A8010@199.35.202.164> References: <AEE9C8A7-1841CD@198.68.42.228> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Until Apple can present an OS with a GUI that looks and feels just like the >>Mac's by default, they will not sell it in appreciable numbers to current >>Mac users. People that were not already Mac users that wanted the NeXT GUI >>have had it available for some time on x86 machines. You are forgetting something, Lawson. There are more reasons to switch OS's than just the interface. In fact, the interface here is incidental. The reason for the switch is the increased stability and better multitasking. The number one complaint I hear about the Mac is that it crashes too much. Yeah, yeah, I tell people all the time that my Mac doesn't really crash all that much, but it's because I manage my machine very carefully...even then, it still crashes far more than any NeXT machine I've ever used (admittedly, I don't have that much NeXT experience, but other users' experiences seem to back me up). The reason to bother is that the machine will be much more stable and able to handle the demands of 1990's computing. I'm sure Apple will clean up the interface. -- Ishir Bhan ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu
From: aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 28 Dec 1996 20:30:44 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with Windows (and OPENSTEP for Windows). A quality multi processor Pentium motherboard, with onboard SCSI, video, and pure PCI (no ISA, no VL-Bus) would be a super machine. I guess it might confuse the market though... and perhaps better served by Compaq and HP. On the other hand, you'd expect the PowerPC versions to run System 7.x Macintosh software and give better performance for the same (or less) cost. A. -- Aris Colp (ALL OPINIONS ARE ME OWN). NeXT Technical Support (I DO NOT SPEAK FOR NeXT Software Inc.) aris@next.com; +1-415-780-3712; http://www.next.com/~aris
From: hecht@unm.edu (Andrew Hecht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: internet telephony software Date: 28 Dec 1996 21:37:30 GMT Message-ID: <5a43uq$1sk8$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Keywords: telephony Does anyone know of the existence of an internet telephony program that runs under NeXTStep? Andrew Hecht hecht@unm.edu
From: jeffgr@pacbell.net (Jeff Grossman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:11:59 GMT Organization: A customer of Pacific Bell Internet Services Message-ID: <32c59afd.774290@news.pacbell.net> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> wrote: > > >poundmacvits@hotmail.com wrote in article <851492904.25627@dejanews.com>... >> The NeXTstep OS is great but it has major shortcomings. It does >> support multiple processors, it isn't PowerMac native, > >Porting to the P-Mac shouldn't be extremely hard. Actually Next already has a PowerMac version running. It was never released, still being tested and worked on. But there was one running on some of their machines. Jeff ----- Jeff Grossman (jeff@silicon.net or jeffgr@pacbell.net)
From: me@mysolution.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 22:30:19 GMT Organization: Internet Solutions Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a471r$l3h@news.mysolution.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net> In article <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net>, <Scott> wrote: >>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >>or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. > >patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP? Its so easy my mother >could do it! With the right motherboard and accessories, yes it is very very easy. With the wrong mnotherboard or laptop, you are in for a rough ride, if it even installs. Once installed, however, it is a very good OS, like almost all UNIX-like system, though. -ME
From: polyex@mail.netsrq.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: 28 Dec 1996 02:06:53 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Message-ID: <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> In <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> writes: >I've been following the NeXT Mac discussions in various threads of late >and have read more than a fair share of articles from online mags about >related issues. Apparently, the new NeXT Mac OS will materialize to the >world fully functional in the 98 time frame which is somewhen MS will >release NT5. Does anyone see the next phase of the War of the OSes with >the NeXTMac vs Cairo? Does anyone have any idea if the NeXTMac might >even be 64bit to meet NT head to head? Why? NT wont be. I think you are putting too much faith in MS. Remember, that by now, they are supposed to be dominating the OS market with Windows95? What happened to the speech enabled OS that was announced from MS right after IBM released OS/2 ver 4.0? Remember now MS is supposed to have a majority control of the Browser market from Netscape? MS feeds on these assumptions. NT is getting attention because Windows95 stinks, MACOS in its current form is no alternative. I can already see the attention that NT has gotten is starting to fade. (I think most noise was coming from anxious "consultants" trying to make a quick buck switching enterprises from OS/2 etc., whether the solution worked or not). When NeXT appears on popular platforms like the Macintosh I am sure it will get alot of attention as well, the difference of course being that it will perform above and beyond anything you see from Win95/DOS or NT. NeXT has been around for a while, its just now, most of the world is catching up. Just my opinion.
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:10:58 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961812510001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> In article <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) wrote: > > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac > > users are such NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are > > you using Macs? > > Because they didn't want to mortgage the house to buy a copy! > -- > Thanks, later, John Kheit 'Cause I never really heard of it? 'Cause I needed to stay under $1500? 'Cause NeXT could get a tremendous boost from the financial resources available to Apple, so the result could be the best of both worlds plus Photorealisticrenderman? ;) Besides, why shouldn't I think it's good if it is? Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:34:57 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961836500001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> In article <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: > paul@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) wrote: > > Apart from Id Software and Trilobyte, that is, who prototyped on > > NeXTSTEP. > Id software were the guys who developed _DOOM_ using NeXTSTEP, > right? > What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? No, Myst is a HyperCard game, that one came from MacOS. You are quite correct that DOOM came from NeXTSTEP. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:33:29 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961835220001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> <slrn5c1uk2.3ai.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002512961945190001@news.earthlink.net> In article <jhsterne-ya023280002512961945190001@news.earthlink.net>, jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) wrote: > John, AFAIK, commercial = you pay for the product. That is not free. That > some versions of Linux are free does not make all versions of Linux free, > anymore than the fact that Apple gives away all MacOS versions prior to 7.1 > makes all versions of the MacOS free. > > "Linux $0 .... PERIOD" -- John Goerzen > > I read this to mean that _all_ versions of Linux are free. This indeed > contradicts your post pointing out that there are "pay" versions of Linux. No, actually, he's right- with the commercial ones you're paying for the disks. The CD-Rom substrates aren't free, nor is the paper the manuals and things are printed on. Linux is free, if you want it on a disk with a book you pay for the disk and the book. Still doesn't mean _I_ want to run a Unix box, ever, but let's not discount the wonderful audacity of free Linux. I think that's cool. Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 23:40:02 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-2812961841550001@news.sover.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <5a18iq$j0f@crl.crl.com> In article <5a18iq$j0f@crl.crl.com>, mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) wrote: > The prices were so high because the volumes were so low. Apple can amoratize the > costs over a far higher volume. Prices should drop into line with those > of PCs, for a full OS. I'd expect that Apple would more or less give away > developer tools to jump start the community, at least until other dev > environments come online. Ooooo, tell me more... jump start me, I don't mind! :) Jinx_tigr (who is basically just starting out, and what marvellous timing it is to be just starting out developing for Macs) (aka Chris Johnson)
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 29 Dec 1996 00:18:34 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5a4dcq$6p6@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> Cc: english@primenet.com In <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> "Lawson English" wrote: > BTW, what are the limits of DPS as far as multiple monitors are concerned? Mhmmm, I run my NeXT with two screen at the same time. One 32 Bit color display and one 2-bit gray. I can drag everything from one screen to another. Guess this answers the question. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac user wants to get started with Next Date: 29 Dec 1996 00:26:14 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5a4dr6$dr0@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> Cc: mpr@netcom.com In <mprE31r31.89L@netcom.com> Elliot Wilen wrote: > For a Mac user who'd like to get a head start learning about the Next OS, > can anyone suggest an inexpensive way to get started? If I understand > correctly from FAQ's and Next's website, there is currently no way to > run NextStep on a Mac. You couldn't, say, get OpenStep/Mach and run it > on top of MachTen, I suppose. > > I have a deeply ingrained dislike of Intel boxes, but that could just be > from what they're typically used for. Would a 486 be adequate? Or would > I be better off with a used Next box (or something else)? A 486 will do, but you'll have to be careful with hardware compatibility issues. Check out NeXT's Web site for a listing of compatible accessories. I'd suggest going with some old black hardware. No compatibility problems, and mono slabs are going for a few hundred dollars these days. You'll probably pay a little over $1000 for color. They don't compare to today's machines wrt performance numbers, nevertheless, they feel quite capable running NEXTSTEP. Take a look at comp.sys.next.marketplace. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 13:12:46 +1300 Organization: Geek Central Sender: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Message-ID: <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> In article <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com>, scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >In article <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > >>Would Quickdraw GX be less resource-intensive than Display Postscript, >>when running on a Windows box? That could be a big reason to use >>GX instead of DPS... >> >I've just had a thought while reading this thread. There's been some >discussion about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have to use it. No? No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they did. The PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting marks on paper, not on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't really do anything to address this issue. Keep PostScript on the printer, where it belongs! > I mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into the new OS instead of DP >right? Also, what about regular old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward >compatible from a QD programming standpoint? GX is a completely new graphics API from top to bottom. It can share bitmap/pixmap structures with QuickDraw, it can do on-screen drawing in a well-behaved fashion (clipped to existing QuickDraw-based windows etc), it can translate QuickDraw graphics to GX graphics, and it can hide GX graphics inside QuickDraw graphics so that they will view and print at full quality from within any existing application that can accept QuickDraw graphics. But that's the limit as far as backward compatibility goes. GX is not just graphics, it's also a next-generation printing architecture. PostScript is not a printing architecture. This is another point missed by those who would advocate that Apple abandon GX and adopt PostScript in its stead. For more info about GX, visit <http://www.gxfanclub.com/>.
From: Luke Howard <lukeh@xedoc.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Security, and NetInfo Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 11:27:11 +1000 Organization: Xedoc Software Development Australia Pty Ltd Message-ID: <32C5C8EF.2AC6@xedoc.com.au> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: leonvs@occam.com CC: netinfo@xedoc.com.au > I do like the tools, though. If I had three wishes for NetInfo, > they would be: > > 1) Make it more robust, easier to withstand small problems. Examples? > 2) Support encryption everywhere. Using Secure RPC would require a substantial rework of NetInfo, which is unlikely to be done unless there's a *LOT* of market demand (which, to date, there hasn't been). Even if Secure RPC were supported, you'd still have to support the bulk existing clients that used unauthenticated RPC. Also, because NEXTSTEP hosts have a single instance of lookupd running as root, it's not possible to authenticate based on the client program's credentials. (as I discovered when porting the Linux NIS+ client to NEXTSTEP...) I'd encourage you to subscribe to the netinfo-talk list (netinfo-talk-request@xedoc.com.au) if you wish to discuss this further. > 3) Make licensing inexpensive. (Anyone have current prices?) Current prices are on http://www.xedoc.com/. > I'd also like it supported on a few more platforms: IRIX, SCO, > even Linux. Maybe even NT? If NetInfo could do all this, I could > recommend it as an enterprise-wide solution for one of my current > employers, instead of just using it for our NEXTSTEP machines. As > it stands, I really can't. Judging by what's at http://www.xedoc.com.au/html/download.html, there are download links for IRIX and Linux (although Linux is "not available" yet). The stock answer to NetInfo on NT is (from the NetInfo FAQ): "NetInfo for Windows NT is still a possibility, but as yet there are no plans announced. One of the key questions to be resolved is the level of functionality required as some UNIX concepts (such as mount entries) do not map logically to Windows NT. There are certain technical challenges that would need to be overcome, but it is generally agreed that it is feasible to develop some sort of migration product. The other question outstanding revolves around determining the real market demand for such a product." An easier way to integrate NEXTSTEP and NT may be (when NT 5.0 is released) to support Kerberos and LDAP in loginwindow and lookupd, respectively. -- Luke [I don't speak for Xedoc, just for myself.]
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 13:50:45 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5a38jl$19k@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> me@mysolution.com wrote: >If you are not a student, and purchased NeXTStep SW, then your cost >would over $3700!!! Which pretty much is level with a PPC Mac, >I believe. Personally, I'd run a Mac over NeXT because if I am to >run UNIX, I'd rather run Solaris. You know the price of Solaris/user : the same as NeXTSTEP/user... and Solaris dev tool ? Twice as NeXT's one... Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:24:08 +0800 Organization: The WatchTower Message-ID: <32C5D648.52EC@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962149270001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If all goes well The new OS will be competing directly with NT. Should be > very interesting. I was thinking about this and remembered something Bill > Gates had supposedly said when asked if he would be developing for the NeXT > machines. "Develop for them? I'll piss on them!" Anyone have any idea what > Micr$oft will make of this whole Apple/NeXT deal? Perhaps Bill Gates wouldn't be so ready to piss when the NeXT/Mac emerges. I believe something will come out of this merger that will capture Microsoft's attention as perhaps a threat of some sort. After all, developement on the NeXT platform is supposedly to be really fast and if that aspect of NeXT can be migrated to the Mac, it means that developers somehow might turn their heads. U can probably also bet that MS will give their offerings of they s/w should the NeXT/Mac become really successful. MS Office 2000 maybe? However I'm still not sure if being 32bit or 64bit has any bearing with the OS competition. I mean look at IRIX. It's full 64bit isn't it and SGI is still the platform of choice for serious CAD/CAM and 3-D animation. Would the NeXT/Mac need to climb up the ladder to lock it's horns with NT?
From: timdx@pacbell.net (Jeff Dallacqua) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 02:32:47 GMT Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)?
From: tim@apple.com (Tim Olson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 29 Dec 1996 17:35:04 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. / Somerset Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8230] Message-ID: <5a6a48$l5q@cerberus.ibmoto.com> References: <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> <59mmo8$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <59n0do$1ha@garfield.iaxs.net> <59n4la$2sq@news4.digex.net> <jak-ya023680002912960142520001@news.asu.edu> Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. In article <jak-ya023680002912960142520001@news.asu.edu> jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) writes: > In article <59n4la$2sq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > >These are the specs I remember on it...It was comonly refered to > >as the Brick. It was based on two 50Mhz PPC's (think they were > >601's?). It had integrated video in/out... A DSP and DSP port > > I thought that the 601 doesn't support multiprocessing. But that seems so > early, what other PowerPCs could've been out then? The 601 supports SMP -- its unified L1 cache implements the MESI protocol, and it broadcasts and snoops TLB invalidate instructions and SYNC operations. -- Tim Olson Apple Computer, Inc. (tim@apple.com)
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 29 Dec 1996 04:14:11 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a4r6j$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net> <5a471r$l3h@news.mysolution.com> me@mysolution.com wrote: >In article <5a3s7a$kbu@news.bctel.net>, <Scott> wrote: >>>> NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? >>>or the patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP. >> >>patience to set up a Intel Machine running NeXTSTEP? Its so easy my mother >>could do it! > > With the right motherboard and accessories, yes it is very very easy. >With the wrong mnotherboard or laptop, you are in for a rough ride, if it even >installs. Once installed, however, it is a very good OS, like almost >all UNIX-like system, though. > "With the right motherboard and accessories" ......Next's web site list all compatible hardware....if you stick to the listed hardware there is no problem.... One word of advice....do not assume any hardware is compatible...if it is not on the list don't risk it. Hopefully with the new OS more drivers will be written.
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 29 Dec 1996 04:18:09 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring >> different processors by thier Mhz... > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > >-- >Andrew Carol "Could be worse. Could be raining." >carol1@apple.com carol@woz.org Can I get one in red?
From: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX transparency pt 1 (was Re: Kernel issues (was Re: Date: 29 Dec 1996 04:27:57 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5a4s0d$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> References: <AEE9C8A7-1841CD@198.68.42.228> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Until Apple can present an OS with a GUI that looks and feels just like the >>Mac's by default, they will not sell it in appreciable numbers to current >>Mac users. People that were not already Mac users that wanted the NeXT GUI >>have had it available for some time on x86 machines. You are forgetting something, Lawson. There are more reasons to switch OS's than just the interface. In fact, the interface here is incidental. The reason for the switch is the increased stability and better multitasking. The number one complaint I hear about the Mac is that it crashes too much. Yeah, yeah, I tell people all the time that my Mac doesn't really crash all that much, but it's because I manage my machine very carefully...even then, it still crashes far more than any NeXT machine I've ever used (admittedly, I don't have that much NeXT experience, but other users' experiences seem to back me up). The reason to bother is that the machine will be much more stable and able to handle the demands of 1990's computing. I'm sure Apple will clean up the interface. -- Ishir Bhan ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP as a server Date: 29 Dec 1996 18:38:30 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a6dr6$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BC89A9.E56@erols.com> <59idlo$m6a@news.bctel.net> <32BCC70E.3C5F@erols.com> gbh@erols.com wrote: >> >Has anyone here used OPENSTEP as a server on a >> >large distributed network?... >> >> I currently use Openstep as an Internet server... > >Are there any FAQs or other docs on this? Is configuring >Openstep as a server for an ISP as easy as configuring it >to serve a simple network? Could you send me info about how >you are set-up along with any things I should watch out for. > >--gh I just specify the host name and IP in SimpleNetworkStarter under NextAdmin and then configure Apache to run as the server.
From: hecht@unm.edu (Andrew Hecht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: internet telephony software Date: 29 Dec 1996 05:07:11 GMT Organization: iSTAR internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5a4u9v$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Keywords: telephony Does anyone know of the existence of an internet telephony program that runs under NeXTStep? Andrew Hecht hecht@unm.edu
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 29 Dec 1996 19:13:29 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a6fsp$2rr@news4.digex.net> References: <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> <AEEBC2DD-2BE24@207.158.13.39> "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: > Here's how I see the future of MacStep- > ************************************ * APPLICATION LAYER > * ************************************ > | | | | ******************** | | > * * | > ******** * OpenStep * *********** * QTML * * * * > OpenDoc * ******** ************ *********** > | | | > ************************************ * NuKernal / NuFileSystem > * ************************************ > Notice that you can write an application that uses any of the 3 > major OS services... and be COMPLETELY platform independant. > Apple would be able to deliver those three services on any plaform > - which only requires using the native Kernal/FileServices. Since > NuKernal and FileSystem are cool - they would add value to the > Mac, as would using PPC's... but that our apps could run on any > platform. Java will be tightly integrated with the OpenDoc layer > (both component architectures). And OpenStep would have some > wrappers and integration with OpenDoc and QTML where appropriate. Jeez, if all Apple were to do is use OpenStep as just a tiny part of the OS, they're silly. They can use OpenStep for free...it's a free spec. Why pay 400mil!? I imagine that many of apple technologies will be rolled into and ontop of OpenStep (part of the spec is DPS btw). Those other specs can be implimented in a myriad of ways... C++ or C or whatever.... However, putting them on top of OpenStep will give the system tight integration and allow for the different components to leverage each other's facilities more readily and fully... I don't know what will happen, but QTML, OpenDoc, QT, etc...may likely be ported on top of OPENSTEP as kits and frameworks... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: quinlan@sfu.ca (Brian Quinlan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.be,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BeOS and NeXT? Date: 29 Dec 1996 05:35:11 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Message-ID: <5a4vuf$5q8@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <851492904.25627@dejanews.com> <01bbf399$a215bca0$81c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1996Dec27.151651.90966@cc.usu.edu> <5a1mnl$qeg@morgoth.sfu.ca> <5a1v6a$2s5@News.Dal.Ca> jc@or.psychology.dal.ca (John Christie) writes: > Which, to elaborate, may or may not be RT. In the original >nuKernal white paper it was stated that it was not true RT. However, >Apple also claimed that they would not adopt the BeKernal because it >wasn't true RT (which I thought was not true). There is nothing publicly >known about the current state of the nuKernal but it appears that it is >probably RT and Apple claims that it is finished. I hope they use the >nuKernal. SMP was designed in from the beginnning and the messaging >services are supposed to be far superior to UNIX. Neither BeKernal nor nuKernal are true RT (if by "true" you mean "hard"). nuKernal offers 32 levels of real time threads which can only be preempted when they block or when a thread of higher priority is running. -- Brian Quinlan "Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac quinlan@sfu.ca user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy
From: Luke Howard <lukeh@xedoc.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:34:52 +1000 Organization: Xedoc Software Development Australia Pty Ltd Message-ID: <32C6110C.E41@xedoc.com.au> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Shimpei Yamashita <shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> > >that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you > >get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure > >Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to > >NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure NIS+ has some advantages WRT security, as have been discussed. (Of course, the fact that it's difficult to understand can encourage improper configuration.) You tend to replace more daemons/utilities/etc under NEXTSTEP when setting up a server box than you would under, say, Linux, but that's (in part) due to it being a commercial OS with a focus on custom applications, as opposed to general server duty. > I think you're underestimating the situation. Hmm, I'm starting to think a NEXTSTEP security-tips webpage would be useful. Anyone? > I've never heard of Netinfo, by the way. Is it Nextstep-specific, or > is it cross-platform? Is there a web site where I can read up on it? Yes, it's cross-platform. > Anything that lets me get rid of NIS (that isn't NIS+) would be a > godsend. You can find all the articles on NeXT's website which refer to NetInfo at the URL http://www.NeXT.COM/NeXTanswers/?NetInfo. There's a useful FAQ at http://www.xedoc.com/html/faq.html. You can download the NetInfo Editions documentation from Xedoc's website, and OPENSTEP for Mach 4.1 has a great tutorial on NetInfo (I'm not sure whether it was in 4.0; I'm fairly certain it wasn't in 3.x). -- Luke [speaking for myself, not Xedoc]
From: yblock@next.mc.maricopa.edu (York Block) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What NS should I ge? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 00:04:24 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <yblock-2912960004250001@30.phoenix-001.az.dial-access.att.net> Hi, I'm gonna get a turbo color. I would like to know what version of NextStep I should get(NS 3.3 or 4.1)?. I need some advise. BTW I will use both, the development and the users part. Thank you for your help. York
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:56:24 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >I've just had a thought while reading this thread. There's been some >discussion about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have to use it. No? I >mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into the new OS instead of DP >right? Also, what about regular old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward >compatible from a QD programming standpoint? It all depends. What year did you want OPENSTEP for MacIntosh to ship? 1) Display PostScript is part of the OPENSTEP spec. 2) Existing OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP apps rely on it for a unified printing and display model on all supported platforms and architectures. Revising the underlying graphics model and window system for OPENSTEP might have significant impact on the ship date for a finished product. I'm not sure I'd want to consider it for the initial release unless it's a known working solution on a significant portion of the platforms that NeXT supports. Has QuickDraw GX been implemented on any platforms other than the MacIntosh? (I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been following this very closely.) Mike Paquette -- I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me.
From: johno@trump.net.au Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Kai's Power Goo Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:38:08 GMT Organization: Trumpet Software International Message-ID: <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> Has anyone got Power Goo and can they email it to me please. John Edwards. (johno@trump.net.au)
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What NS should I ge? Date: 29 Dec 1996 08:09:54 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a590i$17o@news4.digex.net> References: <yblock-2912960004250001@30.phoenix-001.az.dial-access.att.net> yblock@next.mc.maricopa.edu (York Block) wrote: > Hi, I'm gonna get a turbo color. I would like to know what version > of NextStep I should get(NS 3.3 or 4.1)?. I need some advise. > BTW I will use both, the development and the users part. If you at all can swing it, get 4.1...simply for OPENSTEP. If you are starting new development, it pays to do it in OPENSTEP, b/c then you will be able to compile versions not only for the MACH operating system, but also for NT and Solaris... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Useful software, mono/color Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 01:32:50 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm thinking of getting a NeXTstation, and would like to know what kind of apps are out there that can make it a useful machine to me(as opposed to a beautiful example of industrial design sitting on my desk). The categories of software in which I am interested: DTP (something like Quark, maybe?) all sorts of graphics (mostly bitmapped, little vector) including 3D CAD/something like formZ webdesign light web/mailserver software? and of course internet surfing (mail, newsgroups, www). Are there any notable apps in these categories? Especially shareware, of course. And a way to transfer files to/from a Mac. Also, please note whether any such apps would want color. I'd need to justify a color NeXTstation (I'm leaning toward mono). Sorry if this asks for a lot of info, but I'd appreciate it greatly. thanks john --- - ------- ------- Music is a higher revelation than philosophy. - Beethoven jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 01:42:52 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680002912960142520001@news.asu.edu> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> <59mmo8$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <59n0do$1ha@garfield.iaxs.net> <59n4la$2sq@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <59n4la$2sq@news4.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >These are the specs I remember on it...It was comonly refered to >as the Brick. It was based on two 50Mhz PPC's (think they were >601's?). It had integrated video in/out... A DSP and DSP port I thought that the 601 doesn't support multiprocessing. But that seems so early, what other PowerPCs could've been out then? john --- - ------- ------- And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables. - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX transparency pt 1 (was Re: Kernel issues (was Re: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 04:11:21 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32C635B9.23DF@erols.com> References: <AEE9C8A7-1841CD@198.68.42.228> <5a4s0d$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>Until Apple can present an OS with a GUI that looks and feels just like > the > >>Mac's by default, they will not sell it in appreciable numbers to current > >>Mac users. People that were not already Mac users that wanted the NeXT > GUI > >>have had it available for some time on x86 machines. > > You are forgetting something, Lawson. There are more reasons to switch > OS's than just the interface. In fact, the interface here is incidental. > The reason for the switch is the increased stability and better > multitasking. The number one complaint I hear about the Mac is that it > crashes too much. Yeah, yeah, I tell people all the time that my Mac > doesn't really crash all that much, but it's because I manage my machine > very carefully...even then, it still crashes far more than any NeXT machine > I've ever used (admittedly, I don't have that much NeXT experience, but > other users' experiences seem to back me up). In support of your response, there are two much more important issues to end users that you left out. First, there were very few apps written for the NeXT OS, once it becomes the MacOS, all of the Mac apps will be ported to it. Second, what other choice will the user have? Win95? The NeXT/MacOS will be a far better alternative. --gh
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 29 Dec 1996 09:21:11 GMT Organization: Kuentos Message-ID: <5a5d67$qv9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> In <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com>, aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) writes: >What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? >It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with Windows >(and OPENSTEP for Windows). > >A quality multi processor Pentium motherboard, with onboard SCSI, video, >and pure PCI (no ISA, no VL-Bus) would be a super machine. > >I guess it might confuse the market though... and perhaps better served by >Compaq and HP. > >On the other hand, you'd expect the PowerPC versions to run System 7.x >Macintosh software and give better performance for the same (or less) cost. > Commodore and Tandy made their own PCs in addition to their native lines and look what it got them. Besides that market you are talking about is already served by PCI based 5X86 cards for the Macintosh. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 29 Dec 1996 10:05:02 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a5foe$94p@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: > No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they > did. The PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting > marks on paper, not on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't > really do anything to address this issue. Keep PostScript on the > printer, where it belongs! BLINK... BLINK.... Looking at my ___DISPLAY___ postscript screen.... BLINK BLINK.... Rubbing eyes... Yup... Just a sec... (opening 6Mb TIFF.... DRAGGING AROUND IN REAL TIME.... YUP... Just a sec... Opening 4 QT movies (BTW, one of them is the original 1984 Mac commercial, the full thing, 21Mb stretching that one to 640X480...running...darn that's a big hammer; the other is Beavis & Buthead do the brady bunch thang; the other is the Lion King Mufasa bit; and some shots of snowboarders :)) Hmmm... Seems they got the DISPLAY part working pretty well too. And considering WYSIWYG kinda necessitates Display to work with Page... > GX is not just graphics, it's also a next-generation printing > architecture. PostScript is not a printing architecture. This is > another point missed by those who would advocate that Apple > abandon GX and adopt PostScript in its stead. No, I haven't missed anything... What you seem to miss is even on MacOS, GX ofttimes pukes on the most simple of documents; and one of the reasons many mac sites simply pull GX out b/c it introduces many headaches. Whereas DPS just doesn't have any problems under NeXTSTEP. Again, maybe many of GX's day to day hassels/problems stem from the underlying OS...and maybe those problems might be obviated by putting it on a better foundation... But to simply hammer DPS as if it's some shlock useless product seems rather uninformed. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:15:20 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawrence D=B9Oliveiro wrote: > = > No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they did. = The > PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting marks on paper, n= ot > on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't really do anything to > address this issue. Keep PostScript on the printer, where it belongs! Ah. So Adobe called it 'Display' postscript just for kicks, eh? I suppose that, rather than being oriented towards putting marks on the screen, Display PostScript is oriented towards putting marks on... Tennis Balls? Ceramic Mugs? Fountain Pens? > GX is not just graphics, it's also a next-generation printing > architecture. = Which not many people are using to print. All them GX printers sweeping the market. Yep. -- = Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. = OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati = http://www.steeldriving.com
From: blitter@planetx.lanz.com-nO.sPAM (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 29 Dec 1996 12:16:46 GMT Organization: mud.lanz.com_4000 Message-ID: <5a5nfe$l6d@bernadette.lanz.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> Scott wrote: > carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: > >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > > > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > >> different processors by thier Mhz... > > > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > > Can I get one in red? With a 'screaming death-head' logo would be k0oL. :-) -- Dave. blitter@planetx.lanz.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/1411/ interbbs.com 4000 [not.named.yet] A Mythran mud Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread at $50/hr, min $100
From: polyex@mail.netsrq.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 29 Dec 1996 00:55:18 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Message-ID: <5a4fhm$c7@mercury.IntNet.net> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> In <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com>, aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) writes: >What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? >It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with Windows >(and OPENSTEP for Windows). Why ship the Windows version? Arent we trying to get away from that?
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Security, and NetInfo Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:38:00 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E35AvC.2Dv@micmac.com> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> Cc: leonvs@occam.com In <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> Leon von Stauber wrote: > NetInfo is also notoriously touchy. Futzing up a machine or even > an entire NetInfo network is easier than toasting bread. > A fine tuning would be fine. But this tool is great! > I do like the tools, though. If I had three wishes for NetInfo, > they would be: > > 1) Make it more robust, easier to withstand small problems. > > 2) Support encryption everywhere. > > 3) Make licensing inexpensive. (Anyone have current prices?) > I agree with you. Especially point 3) in the strategic perspective... -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File Sharing Date: 29 Dec 1996 14:15:58 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5a5ueu$r0s@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> Cc: geek@geeksrus.com In <geek-ya023080002712960303220001@nnrp.ablecom.net> Steven W. Riggins wrote: > Does NeXTStep allow you to mount another volume (or subvolume) from another > NeXT machine and have it appear like a local volume? Yes. NEXTSTEP uses NFS for remote mounting of filesystems. (NFS, the Network File System, was developed at Sun, and has become the de facto standard among all versions of UNIX.) ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 29 Dec 96 06:40:24 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Message-ID: <AEEBC2DD-2BE24@207.158.13.39> References: <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy > >I've just had a thought while reading this thread. There's been some > >discussion about Display Postscript but Apple doesn't have to use it. No? I > >mean they could just as easily incorporate GX into the new OS instead of > DP > >right? Also, what about regular old QuickDraw? Is GX somehow backward > >compatible from a QD programming standpoint? > > It all depends. What year did you want OPENSTEP for MacIntosh to > ship? > > 1) Display PostScript is part of the OPENSTEP spec. > 2) Existing OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP apps rely on it for a unified > printing and display model on all supported platforms and > architectures. > > Revising the underlying graphics model and window system for OPENSTEP > might have significant impact on the ship date for a finished product. Yes it is possible... however I understood that GX already had the ability to rasterize PS on screen... so adding the DPS stuff might not be that hard. > Has QuickDraw GX been implemented on any platforms other than the > MacIntosh? (I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been following this > very closely.) My understanding is that Apple has been creating QTML - Quicktime Media Layer.... this is quicktime, quickdraw3D, Hyperscript, and QuickDrawGX (and a significant subset of the MacToolBox) that all runs crossplatform. Parts of this have shipped already - OS/2, WinNT, Win31, Win95, and some parts for Unix.... but the full thing isn't done. If Apple does this - this is the perfect way to aid developers on all platforms. QX allows some really hot Internet stuff because of how little data needs to be sent to get some great displays and animations. Think of GX as Java for Graphics. I think this is the better path for graphics - especially if apple can add in the ability to rasterize DPS via GX (which sounds possible).... Here's how I see the future of MacStep- ************************************ * APPLICATION LAYER * ************************************ | | | | ******************** | | * * | ******** * OpenStep * *********** * QTML * * * * OpenDoc * ******** ************ *********** | | | ************************************ * NuKernal / NuFileSystem * ************************************ Notice that you can write an application that uses any of the 3 major OS services... and be COMPLETELY platform independant. Apple would be able to deliver those three services on any plaform - which only requires using the native Kernal/FileServices. Since NuKernal and FileSystem are cool - they would add value to the Mac, as would using PPC's... but that our apps could run on any platform. Java will be tightly integrated with the OpenDoc layer (both component architectures). And OpenStep would have some wrappers and integration with OpenDoc and QTML where appropriate. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:35:04 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C644B8.922@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: )Ah. So Adobe called it 'Display' postscript just for kicks, eh? I )suppose that, rather than being oriented towards putting marks on )the screen, Display PostScript is oriented towards putting marks on... )Tennis Balls? )Ceramic Mugs? )Fountain Pens? Possibly, but whatever marks it *does* make will be very similar to the ones that can be made on paper. Definitely a limitation when drawing things to a computer screen where many things never have to be printed out. I agree with Lawrence, Postscript belongs in the printer, not on the screen. DPS is a nice thing to have around, but its not something Apple should look to base their next generation interface around. Apple's new interface should be based around and include full support for all of the newer 'Quicks' i.e. Quicktime, Quickdraw GX, and Quickdraw 3D. If we want transparent animated 3D buttons clipped to a dollar sign we should be able to make them. (And get good performance) Getting DPS to do that which GX does already is just more trouble than its worth. Keep DPS for compatibility and for Postscript-related utilities nothing more. )> GX is not just graphics, it's also a next-generation printing )> architecture. ) )Which not many people are using to print. All them GX printers )sweeping the market. Yep. Read up on GX, it was always designed with high-quality Postscript output in mind. In fact Apple worked their butts off to get things like Transfer modes to work on Postscript printers. Furthermore the printing architecture allows for simple and quick global changes to anything being printed as well as very nice driver architecture. The latter is especially important since not all output devices support Postscript, nor does Postscript or a rasterized bitmap make sense as the only possible outputs. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:40:10 -0800 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > > Possibly, but whatever marks it *does* make will be very similar to the > > ones that can be made on paper. Definitely a limitation when drawing things > > to a computer screen where many things never have to be printed out. I > > agree with Lawrence, Postscript belongs in the printer, not on the screen. > > DPS is a nice thing to have around, but its not something Apple should look > > to base their next generation interface around. > > Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running full speed, > on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using QuckdrawGX back then, > in June of 1994. The clips weren't being displayed flip-book style on > a laser printer, either. Okay. I've seen video get mixed into this DPS vs. GX discussion more than once. For video applications the imaging model is really a non-issue. I don't think either GX or DPS will help or hurt QuickTime performance, because QT is bypassing the graphics layer and going directly to the video susbsytem. You probably did see full-speed video clips running, but that is neither a reason against GX or for DPS. -Mark -- ---> marke@nwlink.com
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Security, and NetInfo Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 29 Dec 1996 08:05:24 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <5a58o4$l4q@portal.gmu.edu> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: huh In article <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net>, Leon von Stauber <leonvs@occam.com> wrote: >NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY,COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC > >In <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: >> that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you >> get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure Damn, here I thought I all but avoided getting into areas that could provoke holy wars. Out of a monster post, you managed to yank out the very few sentances that had the least relivance to what I was posting about. Also, didn't I post in comp.sys.next.sysadmin about this? If I didn't pardon me, that's where I THOUGHT the conversation was supposed to be, and it's where I THOUGHT I posted. I may have been totaly mistaken, but I don't think so. > >Security is an issue anytime a system provides services over a >network, or is physically accessible by people who shouldn't touch >it. It's *less* of an issue with a UNIX (or even NT) system than >with something entirely lacking in multiuser support and basic >filesystem security, such as MacOS or DOS/Windows. There isn't a computer on the face of the earth that doesn't have security accesible by people who shouldn't touch it. Usualy we describe those people as "users". And don't _even_ bring NT into this discussion, as it's less stable than a crack junky on a pogo stick security wise. So other than pompusly mis-stating the obvious there, what's your point? > >As for NEXTSTEP, it's no more secure than any other UNIX. In >fact, it's arguably a little lacking in that area. No support for >ACLs, and a study of the stability of UNIX tools in various >environments rated NEXTSTEP the worst. (I might be able to hunt >down a URL if anyone's interested.) The naming service used >(NIS, NIS+, NetInfo) is a separate issue. Oh please, is this the equivocating argument of the month or what? NeXTSTEP has it's faults security wise, just like any other OS, but it's not bad, and it's better than allot of other unixes that are out there. If you're going to cite studies, fucking cite them, don't refer to them in the '9 out of 10 dentists' bad TV mode. And Netinfo is not even just a naming service, where as NIS mostly is just that. > >> Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to >> NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure > >NIS is a crock wrt security, so it's not saying much that NetInfo >beats it there. But NIS+ supports encryption of authentication and >information transfers, which NetInfo can't do. Last time I checked there was authentication mechanisims in Netinfo that were pretty good. NIS+ does have encrypted info transfers, but that isn't exactly an ass saver in the security department. Better than it was granted, but if you are depending on that, well, you're probably owned. Telnet and rlogin and all the rest of the possible sniffable universe is a far easier target on the same wire. > >However, NIS+ is much harder to use, and less available across >platforms. > >NetInfo is also notoriously touchy. Futzing up a machine or even >an entire NetInfo network is easier than toasting bread. For who? I've never had any significant problems. Nor has anyone ever said that to me. I've seen Netinfo get hosed up bad, but usualy by stuff like the insertion of bad data. And I've got experience on some pretty huge Netinfo networks too. Other than that, the problems that I've had with it have been attributable to stupid things *I* have tried to do, usualy without checking docs, or similar stuff, and they've all been local experiments & the like. > >> it from casual inspection, and it has nicer (imho) tools too. > >I do like the tools, though. If I had three wishes for NetInfo, >they would be: > >1) Make it more robust, easier to withstand small problems. > >2) Support encryption everywhere. > >3) Make licensing inexpensive. (Anyone have current prices?) > >I'd also like it supported on a few more platforms: IRIX, SCO, >even Linux. Maybe even NT? If NetInfo could do all this, I could >recommend it as an enterprise-wide solution for one of my current >employers, instead of just using it for our NEXTSTEP machines. As >it stands, I really can't. Erk, you're sort of ill-informed here. There's a company called Xedoc that makes it for all sorts of platforms. And was doing a survey about 7 months ago on wether people wanted it on NT. As for your 3 points, I concur with them, but take exception to the first one. It needs some more warnings to prevent people from doing things that'll break it. But I wouldn't want to sacrifice the power it gives me either. The other thing is, as of 4.0, the API for it is pretty fully documented, whereas that wasn't true before. Concivibly you could intergrate it allot tighter now, with less effort than before... Tim Scanlon -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: jens@necromancer.pop-frankfurt.com (Jens Kleemann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GX transparency pt 1 (was Re: Kernel issues (was Re: Date: 29 Dec 1996 14:54:06 GMT Organization: IPf.net - Frankfurt, Germany Message-ID: <5a60me$3pu@main.ipf.de> References: <32C635B9.23DF@erols.com> <AEE9C8A7-1841CD@198.68.42.228> <5a4s0d$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net>?r1. In-Reply-To: <32C635B9.23DF@erols.com> On 12/29/96, gbh@erols.com wrote: >> >>Until Apple can present an OS with a GUI that looks and feels just like >> the >> >>Mac's by default, they will not sell it in appreciable numbers to current >> >>Mac users. People that were not already Mac users that wanted the NeXT >> GUI >> >>have had it available for some time on x86 machines. >> >> You are forgetting something, Lawson. There are more reasons to switch >> OS's than just the interface. In fact, the interface here is incidental. >> The reason for the switch is the increased stability and better >> multitasking. The number one complaint I hear about the Mac is that it >> crashes too much. Yeah, yeah, I tell people all the time that my Mac >> doesn't really crash all that much, but it's because I manage my machine >> very carefully...even then, it still crashes far more than any NeXT machine >> I've ever used (admittedly, I don't have that much NeXT experience, but >> other users' experiences seem to back me up). > >In support of your response, there are two much more >important issues to end users that you left out. First, >there were very few apps written for the NeXT OS, once >it becomes the MacOS, all of the Mac apps will be ported >to it. Second, what other choice will the user have? >Win95? The NeXT/MacOS will be a far better alternative. "very few apps" ????? sorry, you are wrong. I do my complete business & development work with NeXTStep and there are dozens of great & efficient apps for NS. Graphics (Tiffany, ComposeInColor, WetPaint,...) DTP (Virtuoso, Superdraw, Illustrator, Create, ...) Text (OpenWrite, Pages, ...) Spreadsheets, Databases, 3D-Modelling (Have a look at Intuitive3D - its great !?!). Those are really good apps and with the merge they will be enhanced even more (IMHO). Those will probably be ported much more easier than existing Mac-Apps but even that ones will be ported in record-time (!). I expect something emulatorlike for old Software but i hope they drop that thougt. -- Jens Kleemann NeXTSTEP, UNIX Developer Berliner Str. 235 WWW,HTML,CGI,DATABASE 63067 Offenbach Custom Projects TEL: 0049 69 888791 Administration jensk@pop-frankfurt.com kleemann@stud.uni-frankfurt.de ---- NeXTMail + MIME welcome -------------------------
From: jacob@dannug.dk (Jacob Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BASE64 for Mime mail on the Next? Date: 29 Dec 1996 16:51:04 GMT Organization: DanNUG -- Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <5a67ho$81@jnext.dannug.dk> References: <59mfem$45b$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Cc: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil In <59mfem$45b$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> John Michopoulos wrote: > > Somebody sent me BASE64 encoded attachements with Mime mail? Where do I > find what I need to decode them and see them for the Next (NS 3.3 > Motorolla)? > Mail.app in NS 3.3 supports MIME (BASE64 decoding is a must in that respect :-), so what's the problem? Anyways, try running the email through 'munpack' -- included with Opener.app and it's used if you feed a MIME text (xxx.mime) to Opener.app -- and see if that produces anything usefull. Regards, Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen PGP-keyID: 1F0F3839 Email (NeXT, MIME and SUN) jacob@dannug.dk Maintainer of NEXTSTEP Software Reviews http://www.dannug.dk/jacob & My own home page :-) http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob
From: rmorse@.rust.net (Robert Morse) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 29 Dec 1996 17:09:41 GMT Organization: Rust Net - High Speed Internet in Detroit 810-642-2276 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a68kl$t6l@oxy.rust.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59n40j$2sq@news4.digex.net> <rickeym-2412960122470001@10.0.2.15> <59vs81$j73@news.bctel.net> <5a015s$hlt@news.mysolution.com> <5a38jl$19k@precipice.fdn.fr> Hugues RICHARD (hugues@precipice.fdn.fr) wrote: : me@mysolution.com wrote: : >If you are not a student, and purchased NeXTStep SW, then your cost : >would over $3700!!! Which pretty much is level with a PPC Mac, : >I believe. Personally, I'd run a Mac over NeXT because if I am to : >run UNIX, I'd rather run Solaris. : You know the price of Solaris/user : the same as NeXTSTEP/user... : and Solaris dev tool ? Twice as NeXT's one... Sorry but Sun is Giving away OpenStep/Solaris User for free from their web site. Yes developement tools are very expensive, along the lines of NeXt's but I just found out that SparcWorks C++ 4.1 has full support for ObjC minus the GuiTools. : Hugues. : -------------------------------------------------------------------- : hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK : ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------ -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Robert Morse + + rmorse@rmnet.com + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: cait@ime.net (Cat Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 29 Dec 1996 20:26:33 GMT Organization: Draw Down the Moon Distribution: inet Message-ID: <cait-2912961526370001@port-1.ime.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32C40F42.5FC2@eos.hitc.com> * John Goerzen wrote: * > * > So what I wanna know is how come all of a sudden all the Mac users are such * > NeXT fans? If you think NeXT is so good, why are you using Macs? Simple... NeXT machines were the best wonderful computers on the planet but Mac computers (a close second) were (when I was first buying my computer) both cheaper and had far more applications available for them. I look forward to the unbeatable match of Mac hardware and NeXT OS! -- Cat Eldridge / I cursed him in my heart. "Um, what day is it?" Kinrowan Ltd. / With the infinite patience of someone used Music booker and promoter/ to dealing with drunks, Portland, Maine / musicians, and techies, he replied, "Sunday."
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 01:01:05 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > In article <32C644B8.922@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > )Ah. So Adobe called it 'Display' postscript just for kicks, eh? > I )suppose that, rather than being oriented towards putting marks > on )the screen, Display PostScript is oriented towards putting > marks on... > )Tennis Balls? )Ceramic Mugs? )Fountain Pens? > Possibly, but whatever marks it *does* make will be very > similar to the ones that can be made on paper. Definitely a > limitation when drawing things to a computer screen where many > things never have to be printed out. I agree with Lawrence, > Postscript belongs in the printer, not on the screen. DPS is > a nice thing to have around, but its not something Apple should > look to base their next generation interface around. Jeez, what reality altering substances are you on! How many times and in how many ways and how many examples do people have to show before you comprehend that ___DISPLAY___ Postscript does an excellent job of DISPLAYING? Note DISPLAY postscript can display ONLY to a screen. It cannot display anywhere else... I imagine they tried to make it DISPLAY to the screen well... Things like showing several QT movies running at once, DOOM running, dragging multi Mb Tiffs around in realtime...yet you just constantly keep spewing this uninformed drivel that somehow DISPLAY Postscript is not capable of displaying things effectively. Just an astounding display of being closed minded. Thankfully a consensus of you, Lawson, and the rest of your cronies on your apparently jihad like GX mailing list do not a consensus make. Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... > Apple's new interface should be based around and include full > support for all of the newer 'Quicks' i.e. Quicktime, Quickdraw > GX, and Quickdraw > 3D. If we want transparent animated 3D buttons clipped to a dollar > sign we should be able to make them. (And get good performance) > Getting DPS to do that which GX does already is just more trouble > than its worth. Keep DPS for compatibility and for Postscript-related > utilities nothing more. And you CAN make all those things in DPS. I have yet to hear one single feature that can be accomplished in GX that cannot be duplicated in DPS. DPS already works, it works much better and is more stable than GX in practice, and the output is more WYSIWYG... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 19:54:31 -0800 Organization: Bridge Family Distribution: inet Message-ID: <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to > > see it. > > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > world without being under Unix. > > That's why Thomas said: > "Disadvantages: > Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up." > And he's right! > > But all of this will be a small work for such biggie as Apple... Hey -- that's a perfect example of something that I should NEVER have to think much about. The IDEA of a superuser or sysadmin isn't part of a personal computer -- it's my computer and it should be easy enough to use so that I don't have to monkey around in the innards. Ask me a few questions and then do the right thing to get set up -- it's a computer and a computer is a tool to make life easier not to make life a pain -- that's the reason I use a Mac. I almost NEVER think or worry about this stuff. Adam Bridge
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: 30 Dec 1996 04:03:51 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5a7ev7$5vd@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Cc: shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu In <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Shimpei Yamashita wrote: > I've never heard of Netinfo, by the way. Is it Nextstep-specific, or > is it cross-platform? Is there a web site where I can read up on it? > Anything that lets me get rid of NIS (that isn't NIS+) would be a > godsend. NetInfo is the default information service on NEXTSTEP. It was also ported to many other UNIX platforms. Xedoc pretty mcuh handles it all now, at least the non-NS versions. (They might even do those.) Try their Web site at www.xedoc.com. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: jdawson@mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 03:39:46 GMT Organization: Dawson Computer Services Message-ID: <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> In fact, didn't Next create an interface called "Interceptor" or something like that for NeXTTIME? If my memory serves it basicly poked a hole through DPS and allowed the application direct access to Display Hardware. If I remember right I think SoftPC used it to. I seem to remember ID saying that they could make Doom much faster on NS if Next would have published the specs. I will admit though its been a while since this all took place so I could be remembering things wrong. Anyways, itsn't that how most imaging models handle the fast redrawing for video and games and such? Kinda like MS's DirectX stuff. jerald dawson dawson computer services Hey! Will Apple support my 030 NeXT cube???? ;~) In article <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com>, marke@nwlink.com (Mark Eaton) wrote: >In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > >> > Possibly, but whatever marks it *does* make will be very similar to the >> > ones that can be made on paper. Definitely a limitation when drawing things >> > to a computer screen where many things never have to be printed out. I >> > agree with Lawrence, Postscript belongs in the printer, not on the screen. >> > DPS is a nice thing to have around, but its not something Apple should look >> > to base their next generation interface around. >> >> Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running full speed, >> on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using QuckdrawGX back then, >> in June of 1994. The clips weren't being displayed flip-book style on >> a laser printer, either. > >Okay. I've seen video get mixed into this DPS vs. GX discussion more than >once. For video applications the imaging model is really a non-issue. I >don't think either GX or DPS will help or hurt QuickTime performance, >because QT is bypassing the graphics layer and going directly to the video >susbsytem. You probably did see full-speed video clips running, but that >is neither a reason against GX or for DPS. > >-Mark >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc From: rpk@world.std.com (Robert P. Krajewski) Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: <rpk-ya02408000R2912962108040001@news.std.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:08:04 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <32C6110C.E41@xedoc.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die In article <32C6110C.E41@xedoc.com.au>, Luke Howard <lukeh@xedoc.com.au> wrote: >> >that being said, security becomes an issue with the power you >> >get under all that GUI. Fortunatly NS is one of the more secure >> >Unix based OS's that you can find. Netinfo is -way- superior to >> >NIS & NIS+ in that respect, and it's also a bit easier to secure > >NIS+ has some advantages WRT security, as have been discussed. (Of course, the fact that it's >difficult to understand can encourage improper configuration.) > >You tend to replace more daemons/utilities/etc under NEXTSTEP when setting up a server box than you >would under, say, Linux, but that's (in part) due to it being a commercial OS with a focus on custom >applications, as opposed to general server duty. Does NeXTStep have a security model that is any more sophisticated than the classic ordinary user vs. root model ? In particular, are there permissions as in NT or VMS ?
From: jamaro@ix.netcom.com (Josue E. Amaro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 20:26:48 -0800 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <jamaro-2912962026490001@hay-ca4-16.ix.netcom.com> References: <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <32BDBA03.56E5@sfbayrun.com> <59lasu$hlo@nntp1.best.com> <59mmo8$ifp@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <59n0do$1ha@garfield.iaxs.net> <59n4la$2sq@news4.digex.net> <jak-ya023680002912960142520001@news.asu.edu> <5a6a48$l5q@cerberus.ibmoto.com> Possible additions to the FAQ... Open Step Specification: http://www.gnustep.org/GNUOpenStep/OpenStepSpec/OpenStepSpec.html More OpenStep Information: http://www.sun.com/solaris/products/openstep/ NuKernel Information ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com/Developer_Services /Technical_Documentation/Tools_Demos_-_Tech_Overviews/ Copland_WWDC_Materials.sit.hqx Original Copland Plans ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com/Developer_Services /Technical_Documentation/Tools_Demos_-_Tech_Overviews/ Mac_OS_Overview/Mac_OS_Overview.sit.hqx Objective C Information http://www.batech.com/~dekorte/Objective-C/objc.html
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 29 Dec 1996 16:43:36 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: >QD (and by extension, GX) allow a maximum of 32,000x32,000x32-bit pixels >using any number of monitors in any configuration of color-depths, sizes, >shapes, etc, as long as every monitor touches at least one other monitor. I don't know the max number of pixels nor the max number of monitors, but I know that a window can't be bigger than 10,000x10,000 pixels (which is, at 72 dpi, 3.52 meter). But in this case I don't bother about this limit which is suffisant for me : I don't need 5 meter displays. What is important is the power of the graphical engine. Under some mac apps, you're limited by the max size of the font, or the max size of the page, or the limit of the zoom factor and so on. With DPS, I'm not limited. I can create text bigger than 720 pt (no visible limit : 256,000 pt works fine), I can create 5 meter large pages (in PM6.0, max is about 1 meter, in NS again, no limit), I can zoom at any rate within my app (25,000 % is fine, whereas on the standard mac DTP app, the limit is 800 % or 1600 %. For my job, 800 % is sometimes not enough). Yes, DPS might look rude but it does the job and is only limited by storage consideration (long int ? long long ? 80 bit FP ?) Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:12:30 +0800 Organization: The WatchTower Message-ID: <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Why? NT wont be. I think you are putting too much faith in MS. No I am not.:) However we must remember that market muscle does miracles that technical wizardry cannot accomplish. I'm sure you know well of the story behind the Amiga and NeXT. Both systems were advanced beyond their time and till today are still considered something. MS doesn't need to do wonders with NT for it to be a competitive platform. > Remember, that by now, they are supposed to be dominating the > OS market with Windows95? What happened to the speech > enabled OS that was announced from MS right after IBM released > OS/2 ver 4.0? Remember now MS is supposed to have a majority > control of the Browser market from Netscape? MS feeds on these assumptions. It's not unusual that MS would be announceing things and not being able to follow up with their announcements. however IE is doing very well in gaining market share considering when it started competition with Navigator.(marketing strategy irrelevant and not discussed here) Considering the time when IE was seriously crappy to this point today when it can really push Navigator 3.0 a little off ground. MS has a perchant of catching up don't they? > NT is getting attention because Windows95 stinks, MACOS in its current form > is no alternative. I can already see the attention that NT has gotten is > starting to fade. (I think most noise was coming from anxious > "consultants" trying to make a quick buck switching enterprises from > OS/2 etc., whether the solution worked or not). Wouldn't the NT have another year or more to establish itself with the corporate market while the NeXT/Mac is still undergoing merger? In truth, NT is not a lousy NOS. It might not be the best, but no one, seriously in the commercial appreciates the best. That's for the the geeks to discover. > NeXT has been around for a while, its just now, most of the > world is catching up. I hope that would be the case. I quite sick of MS all around. And I hope that their proposed Java standard will die soon. And I'm really looking towards future announcements from Apple of the merger and the new OS.
From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 05:39:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> X-no-archive: yes Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > UNIX, Be OS, and DOS are not real time operating systems. The current Mac > OS is. What do you understand by 'realtime OS'? My definition would be: No matter what application, what process is running, if you (or any other process) enter any command, the system will execute this command within a maximum guaranteed response time. In this sense, MacOS is, of course, _NOT AT ALL_ a realtime OS. Because _ANY_ application or process can _BLOCK_ the system _COMPLETELY_, that means, the system cannot even guarantee that a command entered by the user or any other process is executed _AT ALL_, leave alone within a guaranteed execution time. As I understand it, the ability for pre-emptive multitasking is _NECESSARY_ for realtime capabilitiy (so a non-pre-emptive OS like the MacOS can _NEVER_ be a realtime OS), but it is of course not sufficient, because pre-emptive multitasking can only guarantee that a command will be executed _AT ALL_, but not necessarily within a certain maximum response time. P.S.: Real time capability is imho only relevant for OSes that are used in embedded controllers and other systems where security is relevant, but I don't think it is a major issue for any desktop (or server) OS for 'standard' applications. Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 04:46:03 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a7heb$ch6@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> jdawson@mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) wrote: > In fact, didn't Next create an interface called "Interceptor" or > something like that for NeXTTIME? If my memory serves it basicly > poked a hole through DPS and allowed the application direct access > to Display Hardware. If I remember right I think SoftPC used it > to. I seem to remember ID saying that they could make Doom much > faster on NS if Next would have published the specs. I will admit > though its been a while since this all took place so I could be > remembering things wrong. Anyways, itsn't that how most imaging > models handle the fast redrawing for video and games and such? > Kinda like MS's DirectX stuff. Yes, tiz true. Though I've seen later threads on this topic...the net of which was... Interceptor may not be worth all the trouble...that basically you get something like a 7-14% boost using interceptor instead of setting things up to work well in DPS. The first version of Doom ran in straight DPS... It's very fast on my pokey pentium90... Version two of doom uses interceptor, and doesn't feel all that much faster to me... Your mileage may vary... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: howarth@nitro.med.uc.edu (Jack Howarth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:54:48 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Message-ID: <howarth-ya02408000R2912962354480001@news.ececs.uc.edu> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <marke-2912961440100001@ip004.mu2.nwlink.com> <5a7df0$5fd@client3.news.psi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This whole thread has become rather pointless. The cold hard fact is that Apple needs to ship something within the year. They are going to have their hands full getting the low level hardware support working for the current PowerMacs. The bottomline is that replacing DPS with GX would 1) break all existing applications for OpenStep that could be ported to the new OS easily otherwise and 2) create a huge amount work for the Apple development team that is completely unnecessary. These people who are crusading for GX are whistling past the graveyard. The mere fact that Hancock took Copland out back and shot it indicates that they are not going to be shy about putting unsuccessful Apple technologies out of their misery. I would rather see Apple be very selective about what it ports to OpenStep than throw every existing Mac technology into. If they are smart they will concentrate on OpenDoc and Java while making sure these changes are applied across all the current OpenStep platforms (Intel, etc). Jack -- Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D. 231 Bethesda Avenue NMR Facility Director Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 Dept. of Molecular Genetics phone: (513) 558-4418 Univ. of Cincinnati College of Medicine fax: (513) 558-8474
From: tzs@coho.halcyon.com (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 28 Dec 1996 19:54:55 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus, Inc. - Professional Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a3tuf$31l@news1.halcyon.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Jason S. <jhsterne@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) >> >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) >> > >> So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is >> it I'm not surprised? > >Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time to propagate? But they generally only propogate *forward* in time. --Tim Smith
From: HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT PowerPC Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:05:13 +0800 Organization: The WatchTower Message-ID: <32C74D89.3843@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NeXT had some unreleased PowerPC hardware. Does anyone know anything about them like what happened?
From: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ignore: Re: GX transparency pt 1 (was Re: Kernel issues (was Re: Control: cancel <5a4s0d$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Sender: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <cancel.5a4s0d$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:54:34 GMT Cleaning up spew from broken gateway at nr1.vancouver.istar.net
From: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ignore: internet telephony software Control: cancel <5a4u9v$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Sender: hecht@unm.edu (Andrew Hecht) Message-ID: <cancel.5a4u9v$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:54:38 GMT Cleaning up spew from broken gateway at nr1.vancouver.istar.net
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:36:45 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric King wrote: > > In article <32C644B8.922@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > > )Ah. So Adobe called it 'Display' postscript just for kicks, eh? I > )suppose that, rather than being oriented towards putting marks on > )the screen, Display PostScript is oriented towards putting marks on... > > )Tennis Balls? > )Ceramic Mugs? > )Fountain Pens? > > Possibly, but whatever marks it *does* make will be very similar to the > ones that can be made on paper. Definitely a limitation when drawing things > to a computer screen where many things never have to be printed out. I > agree with Lawrence, Postscript belongs in the printer, not on the screen. > DPS is a nice thing to have around, but its not something Apple should look > to base their next generation interface around. Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running full speed, on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using QuckdrawGX back then, in June of 1994. The clips weren't being displayed flip-book style on a laser printer, either. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: dfox@belvdere.vip.best.com (David E. Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:18:23 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <slrn5cdrjm.52j.dfox@belvdere.vip.best.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> On 27 Dec 1996 16:42:06 GMT, Scott Hoppe <battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu> wrote: >They completely missed the joke this time, because the original poster didn't >use the Subject: 'PENPAL GREETINGS!'. Also there are related email viruses out there - most start out with "please view in full screen" or " I saw you(r) posting in Usenet and thought you might be interested" If you see that, delete immediately. Also watch out for emails with dollar signs in the Subject: line. >Scott Hoppe <battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu> >http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/people/shoppe/staff.htm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David E. Fox Tax Thanks for lettimg me dfox@belvdere.vip.best.com the change magnetic patterns root@belvedere.sbay.org churches on your hard disk. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bburdette@mindspring.com (Ben Burdette) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 06:49:10 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <bburdette-3012960151070001@user-37kbao9.dialup.mindspring.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net> In article <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Richard Fleming <rhflem@bhip.infi.net> wrote: > > >Lance Togar wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. > >> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just > >> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because > >> we haven't seen the light. > >> > >> Oh well.... > > > >Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a > >higher life form! Oh Well... > > Ok, lets see. They've been on the planet a LOT longer than we have. > They take good care of their young - all of 'em. They spend very > little time killing each other. They've survived ALL of our high tech > attempts at extermination. Sounds like a success story to me and to > someone on the outside looking in, it might very well appear that THEY > have the upper hand. Doesn't sound like you're in much of a position > to judge life forms so... it's back to computers. > Oh, well.... Are you saying that cockroaches are more moral than humans? Or just that they have better survival capabilities as a species? Its sounds like to you its us versus the cockroaches, and if we can't exterminate them, they have the upper hand. If its survival in vast numbers you want, I would think that bacteria would be the "highest" form of life. Same for the length of stay on this planet. I think most people would agree that the conventional scale of development of species is based on the complexity of the organism and its behavior. Survivability is not the issue. For instance, I think most would consider the condor a higher form of life than E. Coli, but the condor is hovering at the brink of extinction. Moral development is not the issue either. And neither is vast numbers. Turning our attention to computers. I assume you are a PC advocate. If so, this would explain your survivalist thinking. If microsoft-intel prevails, then surely it must be because of their 'higher' development (read: survivability). Judging it according to your scale of species development, one might call it the 'cockroach' of computers.
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kai's Power Goo Date: 30 Dec 1996 06:54:46 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-d-52.usc.edu Message-ID: <5a7ovm$p4a@usc.edu> References: <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> Cc: johno@trump.net.au In <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> johno@trump.net.au wrote: > Has anyone got Power Goo and can they email it to me please. > John Edwards. (johno@trump.net.au) > > What is it? -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: lukeh@xedoc.com.au (Luke Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Security, and NetInfo Date: 30 Dec 1996 00:03:56 GMT Organization: Australian Business Access Pty Ltd Message-ID: <5a70tc$rei$1@tiger.aba.net.au> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a3c0a$726@hackberry.zilker.net> FYI, I've written a brief introduction to NetInfo: http://www.xedoc.com.au/~lukeh/netinfo.html -- Luke
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:22:23 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: )Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running full speed, )on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using QuckdrawGX back then, )in June of 1994. The clips weren't being displayed flip-book style on )a laser printer, either. I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. GX handles it with ease and speed. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 08:31:08 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > )Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running > full speed, )on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using > QuckdrawGX back then, )in June of 1994. The clips weren't being > displayed flip-book style on )a laser printer, either. > I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these > days. Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) > layers, clipping them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture > just isn't up to that. GX handles it with ease and speed. This was done in 1988 with DPS... NeXT was using .movie files (i.e. PS) to show animation with, guess what, over-laid transparent layers, text and arbitrary shapes, etc.... Imagine that, all on an 68030. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Next/Apple questions Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:10:09 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1996Dec30.091009.17097@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <59stea$439@news2.acs.oakland.edu> In article <59stea$439@news2.acs.oakland.edu> drissman@detroit.freenet.org (Avi Drissman) writes: > 1) All the Next web screen shots I've seen are _huge_. What is the minimum > _required_ resolution, and what is the lowest resolution I'd _want_ to > run it? 640x480, 2 bit grey scale. I can just tolerate 800x600 8 bit colour on laptops, and 1024x768 is quite usable for desktop systems. > 2) If the Mach kernel is replaced with the Copland kernel, will the UNIX > underpinnings still be there? (I hope so. I like UNIX...) There is nothing (technical) which dictates either way. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 04:58:01 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: ) Things like showing )several QT movies running at once, DOOM running, dragging multi Mb )Tiffs around in realtime...yet you just constantly keep spewing )this uninformed drivel that somehow DISPLAY Postscript is not )capable of displaying things effectively. Just an astounding )display of being closed minded. You are being equally close minded about GX, and again if DPS couldn't blit simple bitmaps to the screen then I'd *really* be worried. But a lot of people aren't just blitting bitmaps anymore. Furthermore after looking into DPS' syntax, it is just a pain in the butt to use compared to GX. ) )Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG )BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look )exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... GX was designed from the **beginning** to produce excellent Postscript output for devices that needed it. In fact if you consider transparency GX is actually better at it than DPS. Why? DPS supports transparency but PS Level II does not, that means that if you're DPS code uses transparency on screen *you* will have to do the segmentation necessary to get proper output. GX does it for you. )And you CAN make all those things in DPS. I have yet to hear one )single feature that can be accomplished in GX that cannot be )duplicated in DPS. Take the K channel of a CMYK image increase the contrast by 25%, blend that with the L channel of a second image in HSL space. Increase the saturation by 30%. Rotate the resulting image by 30 degrees and clip to the word "Chancery" in the 'smart' Apple Chancery Font and draw that with a subtractive transfer mode across 2 monitors with different bit depths. Take the resulting shape cache it so that GX won't have to do most of that math again. This is something that's doable right now with Lightning Draw GX. But in a program you're looking at less than 50 GX calls. The first time through will take a bit of time to compute. The second time its drawn it will be basically a straight blit or as close to one as possible because of the caching. (btw. since Postscript doesn't support GX's smart fonts this is truly impossible to do with DPS...) ) DPS already works, it works much better and is )more stable than GX in practice, If you're not using it on a daily basis, how can you comment on its stability in practice? )and the output is more WYSIWYG... This is utterly false. In fact it's probably easier to get the results you want with GX than with raw DPS calls. I don't see the people who wrote UniQorn complaining about GX's non-WYSIWYG output, in fact their app handles color much better than Quark or Pagemaker due to GX's tight coupling with/reliance on ColorSync. On Semper.fi a Nextstep user made a post about how one used DPS to create a complex graphic. The process involved writing some Postscript code, running it through PSWrapper to convert it into C source and header files and then including that in your project. This is inherently inefficient. If I create a picture that has 4 bitmaps in it each rotate 45 degrees and offset by each other by a small amount so that they overlap. In DPS if you didn't want to make the actual C calls yourself you would write out the actual postscript code for a function say Draw4pictures run that through PSWrapper and include the new files into your project. Every time you call Draw4Pictures, DPS rotates the shapes, offsets them and then draws them. Sure you could probably direct it to an offscreen buffer, but that's more work on your part and there are cases where using an offscreen buffer is not appropriate. In GX you would apply the transforms to the bitmaps stick them in a picture shape then call GXDrawShape. If you call GXCacheShape, GX will remember the operations it did so that when you call it again it will be much faster. (Rotating bitmaps is slow.) GX also does everything in an object oriented way. So you're free to rotate, skew, whatever the composite picture shape till your hearts content. You can also do some amazing things with viewports. Let's move on to transparency. Suppose you made your bitmaps transparent. DPS would draw them just fine, but because it doesn't cache it will constantly have to recalculate the transparency ops. But we hit a problem when you want to print this out. Sure you've got raw Postscript code, but since transparency isn't supported, you'll have to manually calculate the actual opacity of the regions of the composite picture shape yourself. *Joy*. With GX you could just print your composite shape and voila the transparency is handled. Incidentally color correction, and a bunch of other transfer modes are handled as well. Apple really worked like a dog for years trying to get these transfer modes into printable Postscript code. There are still bizarre cases where they just couldn't get things quite right, because Postscript still 'thinks' in terms of applying opaque things to paper, but the fact of the matter is, GX just does *more* for the developer. As I've said before DPS should be kept for compatibility, but it *is* an inferior imaging technology. Apple didn't spend 7 years working on overcoming Quickdraw's and Postscript's inadequacies just to toss all that work aside and go back to something lesser. Especially now that *large* apps like UniQorn, Radius Edit, and MovieClips Pro are GX dependent. Keep DPS for the existing OpenStep code, use GX and QTML for the new things being written. GX is portable so I don't see much of a problem with getting it going on different platforms. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 05:17:34 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012960517340001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a673o$2eq@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: )What is important is the power of the graphical engine. Exactly, and GX is the most powerful critter out there and certainly one of the easiest to program. The best thing is that it produces great Postscript output automatically and contains the best typography and layout system system around :) )Under some mac )apps, you're limited by the max size of the font, or the max size of )the page, or the limit of the zoom factor and so on. True, but those apps aren't GX-based ;) )With DPS, I'm not limited. I can create text bigger than 720 pt (no )visible limit : 256,000 pt works fine), I can create 5 meter large )pages (in PM6.0, max is about 1 meter, in NS again, no limit), I can zoom )at any rate within my app (25,000 % is fine, whereas on the standard mac )DTP app, the limit is 800 % or 1600 %. For my job, 800 % is sometimes )not enough). GX can and does do all of the above quite easily :) )Yes, DPS might look rude but it does the job and is only limited by )storage consideration (long int ? long long ? 80 bit FP ?) Rude is right ;) Postscripts definitely an odd little language. As for numerical accuracy by default GX uses a 16.16 fixed point format. So it can go from 0 to 32767.999847 in incrementss of 0.0000152588. If you need larger numbers than 32767 you can get them with a little bit-shifting at the expense of some fractional accuracy. I'm sure DPS works in a similar fashion internally. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 05:37:49 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012960537490001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <5a5foe$94p@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a5foe$94p@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: )ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D¹Oliveiro) wrote: )> No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they )> did. The PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting )> marks on paper, not on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't )> really do anything to address this issue. Keep PostScript on the )> printer, where it belongs! ) )BLINK... BLINK.... Looking at my ___DISPLAY___ postscript )screen.... BLINK BLINK.... Rubbing eyes... Yup... Just a )sec... (opening 6Mb TIFF.... DRAGGING AROUND IN REAL TIME.... )YUP... Just a sec... Opening 4 QT movies (BTW, one of them is )the original 1984 Mac commercial, the full thing, 21Mb stretching )that one to 640X480...running...darn that's a big hammer; the other )is Beavis & Buthead do the brady bunch thang; the other is the Lion )King Mufasa bit; and some shots of snowboarders :)) Hmmm... Seems )they got the DISPLAY part working pretty well too. And considering )WYSIWYG kinda necessitates Display to work with Page... ) )No, I haven't missed anything... What you seem to miss is even on )MacOS, GX ofttimes pukes on the most simple of documents; and one )of the reasons many mac sites simply pull GX out b/c it introduces )many headaches. That's not GX's fault, bad third-party drivers or naughty apps are invariably the culprit. )Whereas DPS just doesn't have any problems under )NeXTSTEP. Exactly, under NextStep. Apple's new OS will be neither Nextstep nor the Mac OS, it'll be a synthesis of the two. Compatibility must be maintained with both, but in creating a new system only the best technologies should be used. DPS made sense for the direction Nextstep was going, but the Mac OS is going someplace else, and GX makes more sense. )Again, maybe many of GX's day to day hassels/problems stem from )the underlying OS... There are really two parts to GX, the graphics, typography, and layout section and the printing section. The GX Graphics extension doesn't have the printing section and is virtually trouble free. The Printing section which comes with the full install has to rip out the old print architecture and replace it with itself and plug all of the leaks. This was by no means an easy task. The fact that GX is rock-solid now save for incompatibilities with a few poorly written apps is down right amazing. )and maybe those problems might be obviated by )putting it on a better foundation... They would. GX has a lot of stuff in it that would have been unnecessary had the Mac OS had a stronger foundation. It's memory and virtual memory manager for instance. The printing section (where most problems lie) would be a lot happier if it didn't need to emulate the old printing architecture. But to simply hammer DPS as )if it's some shlock useless product seems rather uninformed. It's not useless by any means. IMO, it's just not something that Apple should be relying on for future products. By all means keep it around, just start incorporating GX into the appkit and pushing that instead. GX could probably be ported to all of the OpenStep platforms in a few months. It's already running on NT and Win95. It shouldn't be difficult to get it going on the unix based systems. All it really needs is a buffer to draw in and a pipe to send postscript or bitmaps to an output device. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 01:57:30 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Message-ID: <slrn5ce8ca.1bg.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002312961856190001@news.earthlink.net> <32bf29ba.35869375@news.wam.umd.edu> <59nrv7$oec@news.bctel.net> <slrn5c0dch.dav.jgoerzen@complete.org> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961800570001@news.earthlink.net> <59vrbv$j73@news.bctel.net> On 27 Dec 1996 06:46:23 GMT, Scott <Scott> wrote: >>> Linux $0 .... PERIOD. > >and what do you get bundled with that? At least Next comes with a host a >very useful apps and developers tools. Over 700 useful applications. (Debian GNU/Linux) -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming | jgoerzen@complete.org | Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
From: Tim Triemstra <Tim.T@asiatlanta.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:04:20 -0500 Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <32C7CBE4.15D3@asiatlanta.com> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a4fhm$c7@mercury.IntNet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit polyex@mail.netsrq.com wrote: > > In <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com>, aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) writes: > >What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? > >It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with Windows > >(and OPENSTEP for Windows). > > Why ship the Windows version? Arent we trying to get away from that? Sinple reason: look at why Windows 95 shipped with DOS. Everyone likes to talk about how low tech 95 is, but they did it for a reason. As long as Apple/NeXT sticks with their perfect implementation of multi-FAT binaries there should be no reason not to include both versions. There is a basic fact that the new Apple/NeXT OS will not have a huge native application group at first. If they are going to take the Windows market, give users every reason not to feel that they must stick with Wintel by allowing them to do ALL their work on the Apple computer. All the development will still be done on the NeXT side of the computer as long as Apple plays its cards right with regards to price, simply because it will run better. Once the good killer apps start becoming available for PowerPC or PentiumPro versions of the NeXT OS then the dual boot will become un-necessary. I realize that all of these things have been tried and failed, but the reason they failed is not because the theory was wrong, it was always because the company got greedy too quick and didn't play ball long enough. Apple has nothing to lose at this point, and if I could buy a computer like this I would - wouldn't you? Why not? Tim.
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 30 Dec 96 06:58:43 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> References: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: > > UNIX, Be OS, and DOS are not real time operating systems. The current > Mac OS is. > > What do you understand by 'realtime OS'? > > My definition would be: > No matter what application, what process is running, if you (or any > other process) enter any command, the system will execute this command > within a maximum guaranteed response time. > > In this sense, MacOS is, of course, _NOT AT ALL_ a realtime OS. I do not think the MacOS is a real-time OS. However, it does do better than Windoze at it. > Because _ANY_ application or process can _BLOCK_ the system > _COMPLETELY_, that means, the system cannot even guarantee that a > command entered by the user or any other process is executed _AT ALL_, > leave alone within a guaranteed execution time. Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does all the time. > As I understand it, the ability for pre-emptive multitasking is > _NECESSARY_ for realtime capabilitiy (so a non-pre-emptive OS like the > MacOS can _NEVER_ be a realtime OS), but it is of course not sufficient, > because pre-emptive multitasking can only guarantee that a command will > be executed _AT ALL_, but not necessarily within a certain maximum > response time. Actually RTOS's only have garanteed time delivery for certain tasks (usually). Usually you have special threads (or priorities) for those real-time tasks - different from regular threads. Macs have some of the these lower level threads - which is different from the higher level Application scheduling mechanism. As I said, I wouldn't qualify it at as a RTOS, but in many ways it outperforms windows for those tasks. Also since about '87 apple has delivers A/ROSE. Apple's Real-Time Operating System Extension. Take a guess what thats for?!?! Now it works with IO cards with a 68K on board and give them a real time OS that communicates with the Mac OS. Also many macs have I/O sub-systems (like little Apple]['s on a chip for managing I/O) that also have their own real-time OS. So it is a little vague. Macs have multiple real-time delivery systems... > P.S.: Real time capability is imho only relevant for OSes that are used > in embedded controllers and other systems where security is relevant, > but I don't think it is a major issue for any desktop (or server) OS for > 'standard' applications. Actually for data collection (sorta the embedded controllers) and for I/O functions they are critical as well. > Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the > fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ > (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X > protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS > as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage > of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. I don't know... Timbuktu and Apps like that seem to do a pretty damn good job. (arguably better than X). I like having both remote control, and collaboration capabilities, and file sharing all built into the same utility.... and hooking QuickDraw and displaying it local and remote does not seem too different from the concept of X. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: thecros@winternet.com (Michael Charles Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:47:40 -0600 Organization: (missing) Message-ID: <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <32BF7B80.2981@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> About this "NEW" good times virus (ie the Pen Pals virus) I heard an interesting hypothesis as to it's origin. The original poster of said virus could have been trying to kill the Pen Pals thread he/she kept getting since he/she was tired of the spams. Kinda silly that the person didn't realize that his/her post/email would end up being an even bigger spam that the pen pals one (I haven't seen the pen pals but I HAVE seen the virus email) For what it's worth I think the NSA labeled this as a hoax about one hour after it was found (about two weeks ago). Have a good one all! Michael C Crosby -- -- http://www.cros.com/ It's just me....
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:18:11 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c7ea75.61320617@news.inlink.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962149270001@news.erols.com> <32C5D648.52EC@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> The NeXT OS will help Apple, should it so choose, to move into the UNIX market in a big way. Mac is already the second platform of choice after UNIX in the scientific market. Apple could take over that area, and make big headway in the internet server market, by having a true UNIX, with a good GUI, agressively marketed on several levels. I think that most network admins would rather use a flavor of UNIX than mess with Windows NT for internet administration. When all the other systems in the company could then be NeXT, with the users just using the user interface, I think we could see IS managers and network admins pushing for AppleStep (or whatever it will be called) instead of NT, which would be quite a turn-around for Apple.
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:26:18 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c7ebd0.61667741@news.inlink.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59ltf9$96@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <32c43daa.22637689@news.inlink.com> <carol1-2712961455040001@17.219.103.198> Basically I think that Apple should do a recompile for the 604/603 chips, finish the 68040 beta, add QuickTime Media layer, QuickDraw 3D and the other VRML 2 spec elements and perhaps a config setup like was planned for MacOS8. Something needs to be done on the internet end as well, providing a good, simple, graphical interface for setup. Perhaps just a .nib file?? I think that Apple could release these separately, as tasks to run under AppleStep (or whatever it will be called). The OS and the developers materials need to be sold at no more than 20% over cost. The main thing is to get stable product out the door, cheap enough for people to take the risk and invest in the product. Lots and lots of people. And all developers.
From: TimT@asiatlanta.com (Tim Triemstra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Icons? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 16:03:07 GMT Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <5a8pcc$c7m@client3.news.psi.net> Does anyone know of where I could get my hands on all the various NeXTSTEP icons that are used in a somwhat standard way throughtout their apps and WebSite? I have given up on copying them because that simply is a pain in the butt, and perhaps if they have an icon collection (which I've heard that they do) then they have a blank one too... I think the BGCD (Big Green) pack states that it includes the icons, but I would have to gather that they got them from somewhere and I can't figure out where :) Tim Triemstra ....... TimT@ASIAtlanta.com Alpha Star International, Atlanta GA USA
From: jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 17:07:08 GMT Organization: Airwindows Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > world without being under Unix. Whoa, hang on a second- Sendmail is a _router_, not a client! It's a 'router from hell' that everybody hates, and sometimes it needs a special guru just for itself trained in a course just for sendmail, just to half-work. Garbled or lost Email? Somebody's sendmail is misconfigured, or took sick. But it's _not_ something you'd have on a single-user client system! :) Jinx_tigr (aka Chris Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc From: vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) Subject: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Message-ID: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:54:38 GMT Sender: vfr750@netcom21.netcom.com Obviously, it's hard to say what's really going on, but with Apple suggesting that they will have something out by late '97, and that Something being heavily influenced by NeXTSTEP, I have to wonder. What happens to all of the Mac Programming expertise and mindshare? Folks have been hacking Macs for over 12 years, and while there have been changes in the MacOS over time, they were mostly incremental, and hardly revolutionary. Most of the basic premises remained the same, with more added features and techincal details. Technically, something written in 1984 could still run today. The wonders of backward compatability. However, what the NeXT folks know, and the Mac folks are going to learn, is that NeXTSTEP is not the MacOS. Not even close. While Mac folks have been learning the various frameworks (MacAPP, Powerplant, Symantecs -- all C++ based), NeXT based their own little coding empire on Objective-C. Mac programmers with intimate knowledge of C++, and the Mac Toolbox with its idosyncracies have, apparently, been left behind...in one fell swoop. "Everything you know, is wrong." There is a small extablished NeXTSTEP base out there in the world, but hardly with the breadth and scope of Mac programmers. Now Mac programmers have to choose to either learn the New MacStep, or to move over to the Windows world. The transition will be the same for them either way, as they will both be new environments that won't have much in common with what they are doing now. If anything, it would be EASIER to move to Windows as they can drag their hard learned C++ knowledge over to MFC. Of course, you can use (or could) C++ on the NeXTSTEP, but the API isn't really designed for it. There aren't (yet) any third party frameworks for NeXTSTEP, there probably wasn't much of a point! Now, Metrowerks and Symantec can port their respective C++ frameworks to run on the new MacOS, and quite seriously, I hope they do as that will just put more brainpower into cool development environemnts. But, currently the reason folks BUY NeXTSTEP is for its development environment. This is a dramatic move for Apple, and they are going to have to work very hard to not throw the baby out with the bath water. The Developer community is the lifeblood of any platform, and I think as exciting as this purchase sounds, it is in reality a rude shock to most. Apple will need to provide some tools to help port the huge codebase available on the Mac today to the new environment. This isn't meant to be a comparison of which environment is better or worse or whatever, it is meant to look at the question of not only legacy code, but legacy coders. Should be an interesting 2 years. Happy New Year all! -- Will Hartung - Rancho Santa Margarita. It's a dry heat. vfr750@netcom.com 1990 VFR750 - VFR=Very Red "Ho, HaHa, Dodge, Parry, Spin, HA! THRUST!" 1993 Explorer - Cage? Hell, it's a prison. -D. Duck
From: jonathan@illuminata.com (Jonathan Eunice) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A MacSteP OS prayer... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:44:41 -0500 Organization: Illuminata, Inc. Message-ID: <1996123014444115053690@[205.164.85.14]> References: <ericu-2212962230560001@crappie.execpc.com> <59thpe$1t6@portal.gmu.edu> <5a1l2t$5ac@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5a7ev7$5vd@hackberry.zilker.net> Leon von Stauber <leonvs@occam.com> wrote: > NetInfo is the default information service on NEXTSTEP. It was also > ported to many other UNIX platforms. Xedoc pretty mcuh handles it all > now, at least the non-NS versions. (They might even do those.) Try > their Web site at www.xedoc.com. FWIW, I found <http://www.pinstripe.com/winner.html> works better as a home page for Xedoc. <http://www.xedoc.com.au/> might also work, though the latency for me was terrible. -- Jonathan Eunice Analyst, client/SERVER Companion
From: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 96 15:07:27 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <AEED8B32-ACFBA@199.183.202.121> References: <rex-ya023080003012960537490001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy >> Exactly, under NextStep. Apple's new OS will be neither Nextstep nor the >>Mac OS, it'll be a synthesis of the two. But essentially it will be NeXTSTEP, albeit modified a bit (see MacWEEK). This is the point people are trying to make. GX is better, but it's not worth the effort to make it a 1.0 priority, since DPS supplies much of the same functionality. Perhaps not as well, but well enough. If GX is enough of an advantage, Apple will port it when they get the chance. -- Ishir Bhan ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:27:41 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG >BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look >exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... > SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a nice compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be there for those that choose to use it. Make sense? -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: thoma@track.cslab.tuwien.ac.at (Johannes Thoma) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:49:28 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> Adam Bridge (abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us) wrote: > In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to > > > see it. > > > > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ > > has to do sysadmin work!!!! > > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in > > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) > > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside > > world without being under Unix. > > > > That's why Thomas said: > > "Disadvantages: > > Still some Unix laying around, Apple has vowed to clean that up." > > And he's right! > > > > But all of this will be a small work for such biggie as Apple... > Hey -- that's a perfect example of something that I should NEVER have to > think much about. The IDEA of a superuser or sysadmin isn't part of a > personal computer -- it's my computer and it should be easy enough to use > so that I don't have to monkey around in the innards. Ask me a few > questions and then do the right thing to get set up -- it's a computer and > a computer is a tool to make life easier not to make life a pain -- that's > the reason I use a Mac. I almost NEVER think or worry about this stuff. > Adam Bridge -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: thoma@cslab.tuwien.ac.at snail mail: 1150 Wien, Maerzstrasse 75/24, Austria/Europe phone: 0222 (++431) 9833804
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 13:51:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEED7C37-ED712@198.68.42.138> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Griffiths <dave@prim.demon.co.uk> said: Somebody else said: >>> Exactly, under NextStep. Apple's new OS will be neither Nextstep nor >the >>>Mac OS, it'll be a synthesis of the two. > >But essentially it will be NeXTSTEP, albeit modified a bit (see MacWEEK). >This is the point people are trying to make. GX is better, but it's not >worth the effort to make it a 1.0 priority, since DPS supplies much of the >same functionality. Perhaps not as well, but well enough. > >If GX is enough of an advantage, Apple will port it when they get the >chance. > Do you REALLY believe that? Apple spent years ignoring not just GX, but APpleScript and a host of other technologies that were (and still are) clearly superior to what is available on WinowsXX, just because of internal politics. You may not be aware of the "profit center" fiasco where the Developer Relations division was told that they needed to show a profit, and ended up charging THOUSANDS of dollars in licensing fees for technology that is only now catching on in the WIndows world, but was available 2-5 years ago on the Mac. For instance, Apple had high-level text-to-speech, and the VERY BEST speech recognition technology available on a desktop when it was first released several years ago. Then they killed it by charging $1500/per application/per year for any developer that wanted to use it. The upshot was that everyone believes that Compaq invented speech recognition, and virtually no Mac applications make use of it. Ditto with lots of other technologies. Developers for Macintosh have learned that unless you scream very loudly and make lots of noise, Apple doesn't listen -not even to their own people internally. Even with the new management in place, I'm not comfortable with the idea that we can just sit back and assume that Apple will "do the right thing" about ANY of this -and not just GX, one of Apple's "orphaned" technologies, according to more than one Mac magazine article... --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:57:02 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> In article <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: |> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: |> > Steve Jobs had a 'famous' trip to Xerox where he became sold on |> > the idea of GUI, etc. |> Ah... some truth. |> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights |> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. |> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything more than just your opinion? Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:10:11 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: > You are being equally close minded about GX, and again if DPS > couldn't blit simple bitmaps to the screen then I'd *really* be > worried. But a lot of people aren't just blitting bitmaps anymore. > Furthermore after looking into DPS' syntax, it is just a pain in > the butt to use compared to GX. I will sidestep the issue of DPS vs QuickDrawGX (because I really don't know enough technical details to say which is better), I would just like to note that most developers will probably be able to do what they want without ever learning a line of postscript. For most things in NeXTSTEP, you do not write postscript, but you call OpenStep routines which write the postscript for you. This is the main reason why I expect that removing DPS and replacing it with QDGX would be a major project (one that is going to take too long to do). If there is *no* display postscript, then Apple will have to rewrite much of the OpenStep libraries to convert them to quickdraw GX, and to do it in a way that's compatable with customizations that *are* done via postscript. It could be useful to have QuickDrawGX support in the new operating system, but I do not think that it is realistic to think that QDGX could be used to completely replace DPS. Not in six months, at least, and not given all the other more important projects that Apple should concentrate on. > GX was designed from the **beginning** to produce excellent > Postscript output for devices that needed it. In fact if you > consider transparency GX is actually better at it than DPS. Why? > DPS supports transparency but PS Level II does not, that means > that if you're DPS code uses transparency on screen *you* will > have to do the segmentation necessary to get proper output. GX > does it for you. Offhand I think this is one of those issues that Apple (or Adobe) should fix in DPS. It really is a shame that it's so easy to do transparency when writing to the screen, and then you suddenly have a few extra steps to go thru for that transparency info to be correctly printed. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: comp.sys.next.misc & comp.sys.mac.misc are not advocacy groups Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Date: 30 Dec 1996 18:19:13 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <5a9131$c1t@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: get a clue please! Please try to take the misc groups out of threads if what you're posting goes to an advocacy group. The misc groups are being overrun with spam from the advocacy groups. (Ths may not be true of the mac groups, but its definitly true of the next ones.) I realize this may take an extra 30 seconds or minute to observe and correct, but things are a bit out of hand on the misc groups. Also, if you think perhaps, possibly, that something could/should go in an advocacy group, put it there... S/N is pretty low all over. Thanks Tim -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: TimT@asiatlanta.com (Tim Triemstra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Alpha Star International Message-ID: <5a999h$gig@client3.news.psi.net> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> In article <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com>, vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) wrote: >Obviously, it's hard to say what's really going on, but with Apple >suggesting that they will have something out by late '97, and that >Something being heavily influenced by NeXTSTEP, I have to wonder. > >What happens to all of the Mac Programming expertise and mindshare? > > [rest snipped but good arguements for the above statement] Welp, you are correct when you later say that the developers would have a choice to stay with the Mac in its NeXT incarnation or move to Windows. I'd have to say that there really is only one real answer to that: people that didn't already move to Windows have reasons that will still hold water with NeXT. And, there is a far greater following for programmers under NeXT than there are people running the platform - that is to say many more developers would prefer to program for NeXT but are unable to for financial reasons. That is not true of the other platforms. I don't think you need to get into a "better than / worse than arguement" - it is simply a fact that Apple needed a significant change, and any change that didn't result in a complete shift in developer knowledge would probably not have been dramatic enough to save the company in the other ways. Also, C++ is hardly gone when programming with NeXT, only the interface and event code is really stuck to ObjC, and that is certainly bearable - and easy to learn. I'm sure some frameworks will be ported in C++ because there will be a market for it, but a C++ interface is not as elegant as an ObjC one is. Tim. Tim Triemstra ....... TimT@ASIAtlanta.com Alpha Star International, Atlanta GA USA
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 21:09:18 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5a9b1u$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net> In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: |> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the |> technology for the Macintosh, Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. |> and MIT developed X-Windows GUI interface consept. Well over a year after the Apple LISA was shipping GUI-based products, and about half a year after Apple was shipping the Macintosh. |> When the present head of the PARC unit found about all of the |> developments that weren't patented, he nearly had a coronary!!! No comment. |> The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this |> technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer |> consumer. Yes, he did. Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:21:51 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: >MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as fast as M$.... -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: juvvadi@cygnus.horizoncomp.com (Ramana R. Juvvadi) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 16:23:41 -0500 Organization: DIGEX Distribution: inet Message-ID: <m3g20n915u.fsf@cygnus.horizoncomp.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) writes: > Hey -- that's a perfect example of something that I should NEVER have to > think much about. The IDEA of a superuser or sysadmin isn't part of a > personal computer -- it's my computer and it should be easy enough to use > so that I don't have to monkey around in the innards. Ask me a few > questions and then do the right thing to get set up -- it's a computer and > a computer is a tool to make life easier not to make life a pain -- that's > the reason I use a Mac. I almost NEVER think or worry about this stuff. This model worked fine as long as PCs were not on the network. If you want to control access to your files on your PC you have to have some notion of users and permissions. Even for a single user PC superuser makes sense. Whenever you are in superuser mode you let your guard up. Whenever you are in user mode you let your guard down and relax. Other was you can end up inadvertently deleting your entire hard disk :-) Ramana
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:59:07 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Cc: ldo@waikato.ac.nz In <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Lawrence DŒOliveiro wrote: > No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they did. The > PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting marks on paper, not > on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't really do anything to > address this issue. Keep PostScript on the printer, where it belongs! > Well, we are in a free thinking world! Think as you like... My Display PostScript is even free to display your bullshit on my screen. It does it well but I think my UN*X will provide some kill file for your 'thoughts'! I've seen such statements by ignorant bozos in 1988... But they had an excuse by then. DPS was not available. -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 21:32:05 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5a9ccl$g8n@duke.squonk.net> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com> scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > > Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a > > BIG BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page > > look exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... > > SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a > nice compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be > there for those that choose to use it. Make sense? If you are arguing that the new OS should support quickdrawGX, then you have a good point. Maybe not in the first (developers) release, but as soon as practical. Apple will need to have some kind of compatability mode for that anyway, and it would probably make more sense to have that in the OS layer (available to all apps) instead of the emulation layer (only available to things written to the system 7 toolbox). Some people seem to be arguing that DPS should be ripped out of NeXTSTEP, and replaced with QDGX. I think this is extremely impractical, given the time constraints Apple needs to pay attention to. To a large degree, it really makes no difference how superior that QDGX might be to DPS. If the project takes too long to do, then QDGX simply can not replace DPS. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:01:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEED8CC9-12BBA5@198.68.42.138> References: <5a9b1u$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher C. Wood <christw@lexis-nexis.com> said: In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: >|> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the >|> technology for the Macintosh, > >Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC >did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a >GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. Nope. The bit-mapped, GUI-based Macintosh Project was started BEFORE Jobs went to PARC. Jef Raskin based the initial Mac concept on work he had done in his 1967 Master's Thesis: "The Quick Draw Graphics Engine," which implemented an early WYSIWYG printing/screen architecture. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: briggman@universe.digex.net (Dave Briggman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kai's Power Goo Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:27:37 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <5a9fkp$mev@news3.digex.net> References: <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> <5a7ovm$p4a@usc.edu> Matthew N. Reichman (reichman@usc.edu) wrote: : In <5a57jg$d9m@jazz.trumpet.com.au> johno@trump.net.au wrote: : > Has anyone got Power Goo and can they email it to me please. : > John Edwards. (johno@trump.net.au) : > : > : : What is it? It's copy protected image-altering software...available from ANY reseller...even the original poster's country.
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: frivolous monitor question Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:34:29 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680003012961534300001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do any of the black NeXT color monitors have the same cool stand the mono monitors do? Do all the mono monitors have that stand? (I'm referring to the original stand.) john --- - ------- ------- And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables. - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: 30 Dec 1996 08:09:39 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) wrote: > What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? > It could ship with MacOS 8.0, and perhaps even bundled with > Windows (and OPENSTEP for Windows). > > A quality multi processor Pentium motherboard, with onboard SCSI, > video, and pure PCI (no ISA, no VL-Bus) would be a super machine. > > I guess it might confuse the market though... and perhaps better > served by Compaq and HP. My own guess is that there is zero chance of this happening in 1997. Maybe a 5% chance in 1998. Who knows about 1999. By then Apple might ease out of the hardware business altogether, and just sell the Mac OS to companies making "Mac clones". If they are still into hardware, they are not likely to be looking to build anything based on Pentium chips. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:45:42 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5a9gmm$qfe@news.bctel.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> thoma@track.cslab.tuwien.ac.at (Johannes Thoma) wrote: >Adam Bridge (abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us) wrote: >> In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > >> > In <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >> > > If you don't want to see unix under NEXTSTEP, you never have to >> > > see it. >> > >> > I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ >> > has to do sysadmin work!!!! >> > Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in >> > the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) >> > It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside >> > world without being under Unix. The Admin tools under Next have a very easy to use UI. You need not know any unix to configure Next. I have my Intel up and running just fine on a T3 to the Internet and also networked to an original Nextstation without using the command line.....besides I know nothing about Unix commands anyway......
From: "Ishir Bhan" <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 96 17:55:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <AEEDB2AD-1417B7@199.183.202.57> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://nntp.ix.netcom.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy >>Even with the new management in place, I'm not comfortable with the idea >>that we can just sit back and assume that Apple will "do the right thing" >>about ANY of this >>-and not just GX, one of Apple's "orphaned" technologies, according to more >>than one Mac magazine article... You are entitled to your beliefs. However, if you want to scream about it, it's probably more useful to do so to Apple, not to this newsgroup. -- Ishir Bhan ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu
From: thecros@winternet.com (Michael Charles Crosby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> Control: cancel <thecros-3012960947400001@news.visi.com> Date: 30 Dec 1996 22:44:36 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5a9gkk$h05@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: david_rehring@gdt.com (David Rehring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:24:00 -0800 Organization: GDT Softworks, Inc. Message-ID: <david_rehring-ya023680003012961524000001@news.aurora.net> References: <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> <AEEBC2DD-2BE24@207.158.13.39> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AEEBC2DD-2BE24@207.158.13.39>, "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: ... stuff deleted >> >>Yes it is possible... however I understood that GX already had the >>ability to rasterize PS on screen... so adding the DPS stuff might not >>be that hard. >> umm. I don't think Apple has implemented a PS interpreter within GX, so they can't rasterize PS to the screen or anywhere else. Later, -- David Rehring Senior Software Engineer GDT Softworks, Inc. And all around insane guy!
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:32:35 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961832350001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a515o$lrj@news.wco.com>, mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) wrote: )It all depends. What year did you want OPENSTEP for MacIntosh to )ship? ) )1) Display PostScript is part of the OPENSTEP spec. )2) Existing OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP apps rely on it for a unified )printing and display model on all supported platforms and )architectures. )Revising the underlying graphics model and window system for OPENSTEP )might have significant impact on the ship date for a finished product. Very true. Altering the OpenStep spec. in any significant way with regards to GX is a long term project. )I'm not sure I'd want to consider it for the initial release unless )it's a known working solution on a significant portion of the )platforms that NeXT supports. In release 1, there has to be a way of connecting GX Viewports and the various different kinds of QTML Views to OpenStep windows. (Incidentally there's are cross-platform versions of Quickdraw, the Resource Manager, and a few other toolbox APIs in Quicktime 2.5) The internal GX->Postscript converter must also be included. Any new UI widgets Apple makes should try to use GX instead of DPS, this will help with maintaining a consistent UI for the new OS and subsequent Mac OS 7.x releases; there's no sense in maintaining separate DPS and 'plain' QD code for the same widget when GX could allow the same source to be used for both. If Apple does go with NuKernel for PowerMacs, then a lot of things like GX and QTML would be already up and running and need only minor modifications. )Has QuickDraw GX been implemented on any platforms other than the )MacIntosh? (I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been following this )very closely.) Apple has a windows version running but they've been rather secretive about it. Though they have recently announced a product, Apple Electrifier for Windows, which requires GX to run. GX in general has very few dependencies on the Mac OS. In the hundreds of calls that make up its API there are probably less than 10 which take in Mac OS specific structures. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 16:43:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >In <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> Lawrence D=91Oliveiro wrote: > >> No they don't. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake if they did. The >> PostScript graphics model is oriented towards putting marks on paper, not >> on the screen, and Display PostScript doesn't really do anything to >> address this issue. Keep PostScript on the printer, where it belongs! >> > >Well, we are in a free thinking world! Think as you like... > >My Display PostScript is even free to display your bullshit on my screen. It >does it well but I think my UN*X will provide some kill file for your >'thoughts'! But DPS is based on a model that assumes opaque paper. GX doesn't assume this for the screen, and merely assumes a pure white screen as the *starting point* for printing. > >I've seen such statements by ignorant bozos in 1988... But they had an excuse >by then. DPS was not available. > Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND screen graphics model. GX was. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: jhsterne@earthlink.net (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:10:54 -0500 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R3012961810540001@news.earthlink.net> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com>, scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > In article <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>, > fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg wrote: > > >MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? > > > More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as > fast as M$.... > Couldn't resist... Xerox - the copier company, copied. J.
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:51:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961851210001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a7ukc$ht6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: done in 1988 with DPS... NeXT was using .movie files )(i.e. PS) to show animation with, guess what, over-laid transparent )layers, text and arbitrary shapes, etc.... Imagine that, all on )an 68030. And it was working far harder than a GX based implementation would have. Furthermore it would be require a lot more work to model CMYK's subtractive nature. With a single of GX call you can instantly have a shape combine colors subtractively with hat its drawn over as in CMYK or additively as in RGB. All conversions and computations are handled automatically. Again there's none of the manual segmentation that would be needed in Postscript to achieve the same effect. Remember there is more than one kind of transparency. You can do a lot of other very useful things like assign a halftone pattern to a viewport so you test out different screens and dot-shapes without having to alter the geometry definition of what you're drawing. (The transparency will still work with a halftone btw.) -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 16:58:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDA810-2CCAD@198.68.42.169> References: <5a9ccl$g8n@duke.squonk.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> said: >scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >> jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: >> >> > Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a >> > BIG BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page >> > look exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... >> >> SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a >> nice compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be >> there for those that choose to use it. Make sense? > >If you are arguing that the new OS should support quickdrawGX, then >you have a good point. Maybe not in the first (developers) release, >but as soon as practical. Apple will need to have some kind of >compatability mode for that anyway, and it would probably make more >sense to have that in the OS layer (available to all apps) instead >of the emulation layer (only available to things written to the >system 7 toolbox). > >Some people seem to be arguing that DPS should be ripped out of >NeXTSTEP, and replaced with QDGX. I think this is extremely >impractical, given the time constraints Apple needs to pay attention >to. To a large degree, it really makes no difference how superior >that QDGX might be to DPS. If the project takes too long to do, >then QDGX simply can not replace DPS. The time-constraints issue is obviously true. OTOH, if Adobe wants to charge too much for shipping 4-6 million copies of DPS per year, Apple absolutely HAS to write its own DPS server based on GX. There really is no "advantage" for DPS over GX concerning DPS being PS. If one is using actual PS *code* for display on the screen, than obviously one has to use a real PostSCript interpreter or Apple's hypothetical GX-based one, but either way, there would be a 1:1 correspondence between screen and output. GX uses a 32-bit fixed point number for all coordinates. Unless someone is using >32,000 pixels-wide images with better than 1/32000 parts per pixel accuracy, there would never be a problem, and obviously one can scale the image internally to handle any realistically printable special case. My suggestion, which I've put out before, is simply: First release of NeXT/MacOS: DPS-only. Subsequent release should support GX. Subsequent release should use GX for internal GUI stuff, giving it the potential that comes from using GX's superior OO graphics and text handling (for speed, if nothing else). DPS must ALWAYS be around in some form to support legacy apps and apps that are targetted for non-GX platforms. The reason why we GX fanatics are so fanatical about promoting GX isn't because we somehow expect Apple to rip out GX in the first release of NeXT/MacOS, but because we know Apple: internal politics at Apple (even more than other companies) can easily kill projects, and unless we get enough people excited about GX's potential, GX may easily go away, not based on the merits of GX vs DPS, but merely based on internal politics in Apple that have nothing to do with the real world, but only with whose ego is bigger. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 17:07:03 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDAA27-34A55@198.68.42.169> References: <AEEDB2AD-1417B7@199.183.202.57> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ishir Bhan <ibhan@student.med.harvard.edu> said: >>>Even with the new management in place, I'm not comfortable with the idea >>>that we can just sit back and assume that Apple will "do the right thing" >>>about ANY of this >>>-and not just GX, one of Apple's "orphaned" technologies, according to >more >>>than one Mac magazine article... > >You are entitled to your beliefs. However, if you want to scream about it, >it's probably more useful to do so to Apple, not to this newsgroup. > WHich newsgroup are you reading this from? I see these in the header: comp.sys.next.misc comp.sys.mac.misc comp.sys.mac.system comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy comp.sys.mac.advocacy comp.sys.next.advocacy some of which are probably not appropriate, come to think of it... Trimmed powerpc.advocacy. The rest might have SOME relevancy. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:18:15 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961918160001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <rex-ya023080003012960458010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a97j3$g8n@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: )rex@mit.edu (Eric King) wrote: )I will sidestep the issue of DPS vs QuickDrawGX (because I really )don't know enough technical details to say which is better), I )would just like to note that most developers will probably be able )to do what they want without ever learning a line of postscript. )For most things in NeXTSTEP, you do not write postscript, but you )call OpenStep routines which write the postscript for you. True, but that's a pretty telling statement about Postscript coding. ;) )This is the main reason why I expect that removing DPS and replacing )it with QDGX would be a major project (one that is going to take )too long to do). If there is *no* display postscript, then Apple )will have to rewrite much of the OpenStep libraries to convert them )to quickdraw GX, and to do it in a way that's compatable with )customizations that *are* done via postscript. I've never advocated ripping it out. I'm in favor of a gradual integration of GX into OpenStep. To the extent that after 2-3 years of work, developers will be able to create any of the existing elements using GX or DPS, but new elements would be primarily GX and QTML-based. GX's font and layout features alone are enough to warrant its emphasis over DPS in a future appkit. There's no way any classes wrapped on top of DPS are going to touch GX's built-in capabilities and ease of use in those areas without a *lot * of time and work. )It could be useful )to have QuickDrawGX support in the new operating system, but I do )not think that it is realistic to think that QDGX could be used to )completely replace DPS. Not in six months, at least, and not given )all the other more important projects that Apple should concentrate )on. GX *could* completely replace DPS, but it can't because OpenStep users need to be supported. It should however be useable in a very minimal way in the first release, (This is *not* hard) and during the subsequent releases it should be gradually incorporated into the OpenStep API as a whole, 'Replacing' DPS, but not elimininating it. i.e. DPS will be there in the exact same place it is now for those who need and want it. )Offhand I think this is one of those issues that Apple (or Adobe) )should fix in DPS. It really is a shame that it's so easy to do )transparency when writing to the screen, and then you suddenly )have a few extra steps to go thru for that transparency info to )be correctly printed. It can be a rather tricky process and is in conflict with using Postscript as a unifying API. I view Postscript as 'printer asm.' You never should have to write it yourself, instead something easier to use should generate it for you. There should be a nice layer of abstraction that does all of the dirty work like handling transparency for you. I am somewhat surprised that Next didn't put a PS filter in its API at some low level that will make sure that PS files with transparency get printed correctly. It should be very feasible with their class libraries. Stuff like that is what OOP is for. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:14:22 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 30 Dec 1996 17:07:08 GMT, jinx6568@sover.net (Chris Johnson) wrote: >In article <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: >> I'm sorry: it's not true. Sure it's true for a single user... but _someone_ >> has to do sysadmin work!!!! >> Especially if you want to connect to Internet. There's nothing about it in >> the package. You should know about it or maybe you forgot =;) >> It's the same with sendmail. There's no way you can send mail on the outside >> world without being under Unix. > > Whoa, hang on a second- Sendmail is a _router_, not a client! Sendmail is everything. It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. My favorite sendmail bug: The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the /etc/passwd file with something like: root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh Makes for some very interesting weekends... 8*) -- Sang. ******************************************************** * Sang K. Choe sangria@inlink.com * * http://sangria.inlink.com/index.html * * finger: sang@sangria.inlink.com * ********************************************************
From: rex@mit.edu (Eric King) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:19:39 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <rex-ya023080003012961919390001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <scottm-ya02408000R3012961527410001@news.erols.com>, scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: )In article <5a748h$ch6@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: ) )>Also, most people, weird as they are, actually consider it a BIG )>BENEFIT that things on the screen and on the printed page look )>exactly alike...an inhernent advantage of DPS over GX... )> )SO what's the problem with using BOTH systems? GX will make a nice )compatibility blanket for Mac programmers and DPS will be there for those )that choose to use it. Make sense? Absolutely. DPS will probably be used by Adobe and OpenStep folk. GX will probably be more popular with mainstream Mac programmers,. Apple should look towards deeply incorporating GX into the new OS' appkit during the next 2-3 years. -Eric -- )>GX Enthusiast and 3D Programmer.
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:14:21 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> References: <32C35695.4F88@erols.com> <59vlfv$cb6@news3.digex.net> <marke-2712961142210001@ip033.mu2.nwlink.com> <32C43525.1FD2@exnext.com> <scottm-ya02408000R2712962358350001@news.erols.com> <ldo-2912961312460001@ldo.slip.waikato.ac.nz> <32C644B8.922@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080002912961035040001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com> <rex-ya023080003012960322230001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric King wrote: > > In article <32C6E46D.A29@exnext.com>, jon@exnext.com wrote: > )Funny, I could have *sworn* I saw clips of Star Wars running full speed, > )on NeXTSTEP. And I'm pretty sure NeXT wasn't using QuckdrawGX back then, > )in June of 1994. The clips weren't being displayed flip-book style on > )a laser printer, either. > > I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. > Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping > them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. GX > handles it with ease and speed. Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:55:45 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >|> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >|> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. > >|> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. > >Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised >their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D >staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything >more than just your opinion? > I haven't seen any support for the 2 - 7 million figure but let's say it's right on. Xerox SHOULD have rented the widows/mice stuff in the same way that MS rented BASIC. Very poor management decision. Xerox got screwed - plain and simple.
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 18:12:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDB973-6E26E@198.68.42.169> References: <david_rehring-ya023680003012961524000001@news.aurora.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >umm. I don't think Apple has implemented a PS interpreter within GX, so >they can't rasterize PS to the screen or anywhere else. Ummm... How would they translate GX into PS or PS into GX calls for use with a vector-based plotter if they didn't have some kind of PS<=>GX translation facility. The question is: how efficient is it and can they make one efficient enough to implement a GX-based Ghostscript server that is at least as fast as what DPS would be like on PowerMacs? --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 18:18:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AEEDBAF2-73C70@198.68.42.169> References: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.system, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough these days. >> Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, clipping >> them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just isn't up to that. GX >> handles it with ease and speed. > >Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? I don't know about speed. It's part of the API to switch between color spaces automatically with the transfer modes: source/destination color spaces are contained within the ink object that specifies the transfer type; specialized matrices for handling specialized tasks dealing with transfer types and conversions between color spaces are also part of ink objects. --------------------------------------------------- "Without a new GUI that is as innovative and ground-breaking as the original was in its time, the Macintosh will cease to matter, and we should all go home." -Me ---------------------------------------------------
From: tbrown@netset.com (Ted Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:43:15 -0500 Organization: NetSet Internet Services -- Columbus, Ohio Message-ID: <tbrown-ya023080003012962043150001@news.netset.com> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com>, vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) wrote: >Mac programmers with intimate knowledge of C++, and the Mac Toolbox >with its idosyncracies have, apparently, been left behind...in one >fell swoop. > >"Everything you know, is wrong." Unfortunately, sometimes there is a price to pay for progress. Apple tried to preserve the old Mac API and it ended in the morass that Copeland became. I'd bet that C++ will live on in the API's that Apple adds to OpenStep, like the QuickTime Media Layer. Wonder if Game Sprockets will be ported? >Now Mac programmers have to choose to either learn the New MacStep, or >to move over to the Windows world. The transition will be the same for >them either way, as they will both be new environments that won't have >much in common with what they are doing now. If anything, it would be >EASIER to move to Windows as they can drag their hard learned C++ >knowledge over to MFC. Ah, just take a look over the MFC and talk to a few who've used it (maybe even try it out for awhile). Then, talk to a few OpenStep programmers. If you can take the pain of developing for windows, more power too you. After taking the knocks to learn C++, maybe you've developed a thick enough head to take the knocks to learn Windows programming. BTW, no one has said that you can't use C++ to write programs for OpenStep (you can), so I'd think that things could only get better for whatever Apple releases. Still, if you must find something written in C++ to make you feel good, then take a look at Be. >Of course, you can use (or could) C++ on the NeXTSTEP, but the API >isn't really designed for it. There aren't (yet) any third party >frameworks for NeXTSTEP, there probably wasn't much of a point! Hmm....one of the reasons that there aren't any third party frameworks is because the OpenStep framework is as good or better than everything else out there (esp when coupled with Interface Builder). Otherwise, the Fortune 500 would never pay a dime for it. >This is a dramatic move for Apple, and they are going to have to work >very hard to not throw the baby out with the bath water. The Developer >community is the lifeblood of any platform, and I think as exciting as >this purchase sounds, it is in reality a rude shock to most. Apple >will need to provide some tools to help port the huge codebase >available on the Mac today to the new environment. I'm sure that there will be some tools. But, no matter what Apple did, they had to sever ties with the past sometime. There will be pain and suffering in the transition. There's no way around it and you are correct that Apple will have to work ease the transition and developer fears. Apple needed to make a dramatic move, it's much better than sitting around watching Windows eat away at the 10 year lead that Apple had. >This isn't meant to be a comparison of which environment is better or >worse or whatever, it is meant to look at the question of not only >legacy code, but legacy coders. I'm sure all those Apple II programmers understand what you are talking about. The transition will be much less painfull this time. -- Ted Brown tbrown@netset.com Communicating at an unknown rate -- PPP 1.0fc9 I was not looking forward to living in Columbus, Ohio anyway. -- Jean-Louis Gassée, CEO of Be, Inc.
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 31 Dec 1996 01:13:47 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5a9pcb$26m@news.istar.ca> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> <5a999h$gig@client3.news.psi.net> In-Reply-To: <5a999h$gig@client3.news.psi.net> On 12/30/96, Tim Triemstra wrote: >Also, C++ is hardly gone when programming with NeXT, only the >interface and event code is really stuck to ObjC, and that is >certainly bearable - and easy to learn. I'm sure some frameworks >will be ported in C++ because there will be a market for >it, but a C++ interface is not as elegant as an ObjC one is. If all these programmers already know C++, it's only gonna take them one day to figure out how to program in Objective C. Besides a difference in syntax and a few divergent features, they're both pretty similar since they are both a superset of C. A little more tricky will be learning to take advantage of the robust dynamic binding characteristics of Objective C when designing applications, but in the end this will allow for better constructed programs with fewer cludges. (Objective C also supports static and late binding like C++, so a programmer can always fall back onto what he already knows). -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -=- jsamson@istar.ca -=- NeXTmail & MIME welcome -============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul/ -=============- -===================================================================-
From: dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:51:13 GMT Organization: TNI Message-ID: <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: >>MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? >> >More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as >fast as M$.... There is an all-important difference between "imitating" and "successfully implementing and marketing" innovative ideas. In the computer industry, the innovative ideas seldom come from big corporations. They are more likely to emerge from individuals and small startup ventures. A company selling a computer platform, however, has to select the ideas that are out there, integrate them into something useful and marketable, then market the results. They must also support the resulting platform in a myriad of ways. In the end, it is not originality, and certainly not GUI elegance, that carries the day. What computer users want is a platform that will run their applications and that is compatible with what others use. Microsoft fills these needs quite well for most, which is why Windows reigns supreme. All else is aficionado talk. No one is going to throw out Windows for MacStep simply because it has a prettier interface, or is "original". ------ John De Hoog dehoog@super.zippo.com
From: dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:05:50 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) wrote: >Sendmail is everything. >It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. >And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. >My favorite sendmail bug: >The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. >Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the >/etc/passwd file with something like: The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing /etc/passwd to the postmaster... Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the uudecode/uuencode aliases. David LeBlanc |Why would you want to have your desktop user, dleblanc@mindspring.com |your mere mortals, messing around with a 32-bit |minicomputer-class computing environment? |Scott McNealy
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 30 Dec 1996 17:20:13 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5a8tkd$1tr@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5a2i4a$3rl@duke.squonk.net> <AEEAC2C5-BE056@198.68.42.142> Cc: english@primenet.com >BTW, what are the limits of DPS as far as multiple monitors are concerned? I had two monitors on my cube, one two-bit grey w/o acceleration, the other 32-bit true color with an i860 processor board, 64MB memory (on the graphics board) and live video in/output (a NeXTDimension board). I have seen systems with more monitors than two, so I guess there is no limitation that really would matter. Maybe if you have more than 8 monitors the preferences application would not be able to let you arrange them graphically, but that would be it. And I'm absolutely positive that DPS does not limit the maximum number of pixels to 32000x32000, PS being used to resolutions of 2400 lines per *inch*, rather than 1200 lines per *monitor*. When you moved a window from the 2-bit grey screen to the true color screen the window would be displayed in greyscale on the greyscale monitor, and in true color on the other. While you were moving it. The only thing that did not work was if you had the live video feed window across both monitors. Then there would be only black on the greyscale monitor. As soon as you made it still video, though, the greyscale half would be rendered. Of course there is no extra code needed on the application side to support multiple monitors. Oh, and by the way, it is very nice to be able to preview on screen the exact PS code that the printer gets. And of course you can zoom by a factor of twenty or so and place your characters, gadgets, images, lines etc. *really* *precisely*, not snapped to some 32000x32000 grid like in QD or GDI. So I suggest we call it painless. Volker
From: Tom Stepleton <ssteplet@artsci.wustl.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:35:14 -0600 Organization: Washington University in St. Louis, MO USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32C889F2.5FCB4DAD@artsci.wustl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: christw@lexis-nexis.com CC: intrepid@internet1.net > In article <32C0D0C8.4491@internet1.net>, Jeff Kavanaugh <intrepid@internet1.net> writes: > > |> If I remember correctly, Xerox PARC developed most of the > |> technology for the Macintosh, > > Nope. Mac and LISA were developed 100% by Apple Computer. Xerox PARC > did give Steve Jobs and some others at Apple the idea of producing a > GUI-based computer. Xerox was handsomely rewarded for that idea, too. > > |> The point I am making is that though Mr. Jobs did not invent this > |> technology, the did introduce it to the mainstream computer > |> consumer. > > Yes, he did. You're both a tad off. Xerox did not develop *most* of the technology used in the Lisa and the Mac. It did, however, develop the concept of a graphical user interface until it was practical to use, and subsequently ignored it. In return for some stock deals, select Apple execs and developers, prodded by Jef Raskin, were allowed an afternoon visit to Xerox PARC. Steve Jobs left a changed man and soon determined that Apple's next high-performance machine, the Lisa, would have a GUI. Apple engineers set to work, remembering what they had seen over the visit to PARC. Though they replicated many of the concepts they saw, an essentially new GUI emerged, with new innovations like drop-down menus and a one-button mouse, to name a few. There were similarites; both had a background program called "Scavenger" that cleaned the drives, for example. There was no one company that did this. As usual, it falls in the gray area in between. I suggest you visit my Apple Lisa Web Page http://galena.tj.edu.inter.net/tom/ Followups redirected accordingly. Later, --Tom +-----------+---------------------------+ ____ | Stepleton | ssteplet@artsci.wustl.edu |>-------|\__/_/__ +-----------+---------------------------+ \________}
From: "Thomas L. Ferrell" <ferrelltl@ornl.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Re: Mac programmers converting to MacStep Date: 31 Dec 1996 06:16:34 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab Message-ID: <5aab42$ho1@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> References: <vfr750E38pv2.7uJ@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Long message completely snipped. Actually, there's plenty of time and help for the transition---see Altura's annoncement in this newsgroup, for example. Moreover, not everything we know is wrong. A knowledge of C is certainly beneficial, and experience with the present API will not hurt us in light of what Apple will bring to NeXT--a host of great technologies that will at least have a familiar ring. In any case, after struggling with Visual C++ for awhile, I've come to appreciate Metrowerks a lot more with their Codewarrior package--it's going to include the stuff we need in the near term. BTW, LS is making aFortran compiler for Codewarrior. tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: robert@onevision.de (Robert Wunderer) Subject: Re: Why does samba compile fail? Message-ID: <E38DLv.13x@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <32C3F27E.278C@ssnet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:29:55 GMT In article <32C3F27E.278C@ssnet.com> "Hassan N. Kelley" <hassan@ssnet.com> writes: > I cannot build samba-1.9.16p9. I believe all of the sources are > compiled but the build fails during the linking. I noticed that > in the make file the symbol "LIBS" was not assigned to anything. > Anyway I would appreciate anyhelp from anybody. By the way I am running > NEXTSTEP 3.3. > > Thank you > > > Hassan [several lines deleted] Hi Hassan, some time ago I compiled samba-1.9.16p9 for NS 3.3 QuadFat and faced the same problem. You are right, all of the sources ARE compiled. You need not assign the symbol LIBS to anything. You now have to modify two of the source files. Here is what worked for me and probably will work for you: open source/chgpasswd.c and search for the line if ((wpid = waitpid(pid, &wstat, 0)) < 0) and change it to if ((wpid = sys_waitpid(pid, &wstat, 0)) < 0) { Then open source/system.c and search for the line return waitpid(pid,status,options); change it to return wait4(pid, status, options, NULL); Save both files and recompile. Please let me know whether you succeeded. Good luck, Robert. ========================================================================== Robert Wunderer OneVision GmbH Support Zeissstrasse 9 Email:robert@onevision.de 93053 Regensburg (NextMail,MIME welcome) Germany ==========================================================================
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Apple to release i586 hardware? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:27:49 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680003112960027490001@news.asu.edu> References: <5a401k$jrj@news.next.com> <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5a7tc3$i7u@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >aris@aris.next.com (Aris Colp) wrote: >> What if Apple started selling it's own i586 hardware? >Who knows about 1999. By then Apple might ease out of the hardware >business altogether, and just sell the Mac OS to companies making >"Mac clones". If they are still into hardware, they are not likely >to be looking to build anything based on Pentium chips. Of course, depending on software revenues would mean that Apple's next offering has to grab sizeable chunks of the Dark Side's marketshare. Apple couldn't drop hardware unless Microsoft is held in check. Could that even happen by '99? I hope so, but I doubt it. I doubt Apple would even drop hardware, for various reasons; but the important thing is that they rely less on it for revenue. john --- - ------- ------- You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 31 Dec 1996 05:42:12 GMT Organization: Zip News Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf6dd$3cb327c0$78c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> David Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote in article <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7>... > Thomas Vincent <info@sfbayrun.com> wrote: >>Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only >>the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to >>work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what >>I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different >>things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does >>all the time. The Mac doesn't have PMT at any level. What the Mac does have is interrupt based services that can be used to guarantee a process gets adequate CPU time -- depending on the process. There is also the Time Manager and the Deferred Task Manager. You can program interrupts with plain old DOS.
From: "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: 31 Dec 1996 07:23:54 GMT Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote in article <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net>... > carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: > >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: > > > >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless comparring > >> different processors by thier Mhz... > > > >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! > Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit.
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac->NeXTstation->printer Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:01:17 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680003112960101170001@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If I have a Mac and a NeXTstation networked together, is it possible to print from the Mac to a NeXT laser printer hooked up to the NeXTstation? Or is there any other way to get from the Mac to the NeXT printer? Any help is much appreciated. john --- - ------- ------- You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: The Road Ahead Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 02:58:54 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R3112960258540001@news.erols.com> References: <32C36479.2668@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <5a1vbt$1ab@mercury.IntNet.net> <32C7250E.2913@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <scottm-ya02408000R3012961621510001@news.erols.com> <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32d45347.486227558@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: >scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) wrote: > >>>MS has aperchant of catching up don't they? >>> >>More like a penchant for imitation. If Xerox machines could copy things as >>fast as M$.... > >There is an all-important difference between "imitating" and >"successfully implementing and marketing" innovative ideas. > I don't know if "successfully implementing" means anything to M$. AVI for instance? Yuck! OLE ick! They've got a flair for hype. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.mac.advocacy From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams) Subject: NeXT/Apple: ARDI is the missing key Message-ID: <tgmE39vy0.2s4@netcom.com> Keywords: Executor,NeXT,Mac,Taligent Organization: Happy New Year Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:03:36 GMT Sender: tgm@netcom23.netcom.com The NeXT/Apple deal offers tremendous potential to open another front in the war to break Microsoft's hegemony of the computer industry. Of course, Sun's JAVA also has opened its own front in this campaign. The success of these and other groups is needed to break Microsoft's strangle-hold on the industry, a strangle-hold that has sought to stifle competition and innovation. The NeXT/Apple deal is exciting because by leveraging existing technologies the phase lag from announcement to shipped OS product can be greatly diminished. In contrast, look at the woes of IBM's failed Taligent OO OS. It failed for many reasons, but a major factor was the need to build so much of Taligent from scratch--an undertaking that proved too formidable. On the other hand, the NeXT/Apple deal could hit the ground running if they shopped existing technologies to complete its mix. Common sense would dictate the first course of action: buy off-the-shelf technology that would allow Mac apps to run in the NeXT environment. Bingo! Instant Object Oriented Mac OS. Common sense dictates the supplier: New Mexico's ARDI, makers of Executor. These folks have a treasure chest of knowledge, a treasure chest full of tens of thousands of man hours of robustly making Mac apps run under NeXT (and other OS as well). Common sense would say compete now with existing technology. Don't reinvent the wheel; use the object approach. Let us hope that NeXT/Apple takes the shortest path from announcement to shipped product. Build on the proven and the known. Don't fall into the trap of the not-invented-here syndrome. Apple has dragged its feet too long, and here is an opportunity to quickly regain lost ground. Buy the objects, and connect the dots. Here's hoping wisdom and grace for all concerned parties. [disclaimer: I have no ties to NeXT, Apple or ARDI, these are just my personal thoughts.]
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:46:45 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aauf5$ibc@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> timdx@pacbell.net (Jeff Dallacqua) wrote: > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > wrote: > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? I don't know what other tools they used - I would expect that the artwork components were probably created on some other platform. I was referring to the game engine (and presumably some custom tools that aided development). -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok Want NeXTstep user environment info? Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/People/andrew/MacUsersGuideToNEXTSTEP/
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:25:56 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ab7pk$t8s@news3.digex.net> References: <32C85ADD.6801@exnext.com> <AEEDBAF2-73C70@198.68.42.169> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >> I never said DPS couldn't blit... Blitting isn't enough > >> these days. > >> Start overlaying a few transparent (and CMYK for kicks) layers, > >> clipping them to arbitrary shapes, etc. DPS' architecture just > >> isn't up to that. GX handles it with ease and speed. > > > >Has this been empirically proven? Or is it just theory/hype? > I don't know about speed. It's part of the API to switch between > color spaces automatically with the transfer modes: source/destination > color spaces are contained within the ink object that specifies > the transfer type; specialized matrices for handling specialized > tasks dealing with transfer types and conversions between color > spaces are also part of ink objects. Again, in 1988 NeXT was making demos on 68030 equipment using DPS, overlaying transparencies and all kinds of stuff on animations. DPS can do those kinds of things w/o a problem. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:29:09 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ab7vl$t8s@news3.digex.net> References: <E36KAJ.uF@micmac.com> <AEEDA493-1FAC7@198.68.42.169> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Heh. DPS wasn't designed from scratch to provide a printer AND > screen graphics model. The funny thing is the DPS does do both well while... > GX was. ...often pukes on simple files... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Will Apple release a free OPENSTEP runtime? Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:38:58 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ab8i2$t8s@news3.digex.net> References: <5a9ccl$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <AEEDA810-2CCAD@198.68.42.169> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > Subsequent release should use GX for internal GUI stuff, giving > it the potential that comes from using GX's superior OO graphics > and text handling (for speed, if nothing else). I really havent seen any examples to substantiate claims of superiority. OpenStep (OO part) plus DPS (graphics part) seem to do all the same things and more reliably. If GX can be implemented in a way that is reliable, does more, and doesn't kill apple in amount of resources required, I say let's do it...we'd be fools not too.... I just haven't seen any compelling reasons to date... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
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