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From: yuedong@math.uic.edu (Yuedong Mu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:06:22 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Message-ID: <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu> Hi, Can I install Nextstep in seperate partition along with NT and OS2. How cqan boot Nextstep? Thanks
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What's next after NeXT ? - summary Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:14:08 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <52pgng$1m8@precipice.fdn.fr> Hi, I previously asked you to tell me what you will use after NS. So here are the answers. It is a bit late, but here's it is : 67 people responded (sometime for 2 opinions : home and work). Japan : 15 USA : 15 UK : 8 Germany : 5 Canada : 4 France : 4 Autralia : 1 Belgium : 1 Italy : 1 Netherlands : 1 New-Zealand : 1 Slovenia : 1 Sweeden : 1 * Results (for users - not dev. - multiples answers accepted) : 1st answer 2nd answer 3rd answer Keep NS 35 OS/SUN 8 3 2 OS/NT 2 3 GNUSTEP 7 8 leave NS/OS 7 * Results (for dev. - multiples answers accepted) : 1st answer 2nd answer Keep NS 2 OS/SUN 5 2 OS/NT 4 1 GNUSTEP 1 leave NS/OS 4 Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: me@solaris1.mysolution.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Date: 1 Oct 1996 06:13:13 GMT Organization: Internet Solutions Inc. Message-ID: <52qcpq$kdd@news.mysolution.com> References: <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu> In article <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu>, Yuedong Mu <yuedong@math.uic.edu> wrote: >Hi, > Can I install Nextstep in seperate partition along with NT and OS2. >How cqan boot Nextstep? A program called 'System Commander' allows for such an installation. Unfortunately, NT 3.51 doesn't work... I only got NT 3.5 to work. My System had Chinese NT 3.5, Englich NT 3.5, NeXTStep 3.3, and DOS/WIN/OS2 on same harddrive. I believe I can still put more... according to manual, but never tried.
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions. Date: 1 Oct 1996 10:17:40 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Message-ID: <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <324FBB83.280B@seastar.org> Cc: vikki@seastar.org In <324FBB83.280B@seastar.org> Victoria Welch wrote: > Long story, but I inhereted a NeXT Cube (68040/25MHz, 16M RAM) > apparently running 3.1(?!) with 1 17" mono monitor. It has (internally) > a MO drive but no floppy. Gads LOTS of questions here :-). 3.3 or 4.0 (or 4.1) would be nice to have. Even nicer, IMHO, would be another 16Mb RAM. SoundKit isn't in 4.0; you might be interested in the old MusicKit as well. > So far I have gotten it mostly working on my LAN, but there is much > learning to be done here to get mail and news and such working. I can > telnet into nethost and ping systems on the LAN, but not beyond that, so > there is something in the local DNS that I haven't found yet.. Mail: use /locations/sendmail in netinfo for setting mailhost and current sendmail.cf. I normally have to end up editing sendmail.mailhost.cf, but your milage may vary. Check for comments telling you where to edit in sendmail.cf; also look at the Dm, DM, DR, CR and Cw lines, and you may also need to edit ruleset S6. DNS: either create a /etc/resolv.conf, just like any other Unix system, or put the same info in /locations/resolver. Note: these /locations things only apply to 3.3 or better systems. > I also have 2 CDROMs, one is the Release 3.0 and the other is the > Nextstep 3.1 Developer, which I am assuming is the developement tools, > not the OS ?!?. You shouldn't be able to use 3.1 Developer with 3.0 User, so you may have a problem. Yes, Developer CDs require a compatible User release to work with. If you end up looking for old releases, you can use 3.3 Dev with 3.2 User, but otherwise need matching releases. > Problem(s) are that I haven't found a CDROM drive that > the NeXT box is happy with yet (Reno didn't work and the NEC MBR-7 > *almost* worked (lots of retries, gets a lot of it, but on any > significant sized copy, it fails ultimately)). I have an old Toshiba > 3401 in the old 486dx2/66 box that I am going to pull and figure out how > to cable in and hopefully that will solve the problem. Almost any SCSI CD drive should work. > I had originally planned to NFS mount the CDROMs on my Linux box, but > had no luck figuring out what format these are in (didn't work as ISO9660 > or anything else I tried). Perhaps I just haven't found the information > on the format in the PILES of books yet :-). Won't work. The install CDs are NeXT format, even though NeXTSTEP can read most of the extant CD formats. > What kind of floppy could be mounted in the cube ? I think the standard device was a Sony SCSI floppy. If you have 3.x, you can upgrade without needing a floppy. > The FAQ seems quite old and I am confused by a number of things. > Apparently the current release of the OS is around 4.0 (I've been reading > through this newsgroup(s) so I've acquired a bit of knowledge :), so I'm > a long way behind :-). I'd like to upgrade it, but with a machine no > longer manufactured, I am wondering if I can and what the possibility of > affording it is (this is my hobby machine, I'm into MIDI, etc and playing > with the DSP). With the machine originally selling for around $15K, I'm > afraid to even think about what a replacement OS will cost. Is it still > available for original NeXT CUbes and is it likely to be affordable by > mere mortals ? Tricky. Academic releases of the OS are reasonably priced at $299. A User upgrade is about $200, but developer upgrades are $1,299. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: @music.gla.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: This is SCARY! Date: 1 Oct 1996 12:12:05 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <52r1ql$saq@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> References: <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> In article <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) writes: > A couple times recently, when I power up my slab, the only thing that seems > to be working is the fan... nothing on the monitor, no noise from the HD, no > response from the keyboard. Pull the plug, and then try again, and it fires > up ok. Anyone ever experience this. Please don't die on me now! > > BTW, I changed some SIMMs a week earlier, but otherwise nothing new in the HW > department. > > Mike > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) > Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my > American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 > Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Could well be the lithium battery. Try replacing this (shouldn't be hard to find one). Dead batteries cause this kind of symptom -- it has happened here before. Stephen Brandon Systems Administator, Department of Music, e-mail: sbrandon@music.gla.ac.uk 14 University Gardens, (NeXT mail welcomed) University of Glasgow, Tel: +44 (0)141 330 6065 Glasgow. Fax: +44 (0)141 330 8018
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract Subject: NEXTSTEP/Contract/Va Date: 1 Oct 1996 12:46:00 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <52r3q8$fbm@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP Objective C Commercial experience EOF---A Plus Contract---Long term Area--Va Start Date---october 1996 Positions---2 To Be Considered---Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
Date: 01 Oct 1996 08:42:00 +0200 From: ncoelle@nuppy.harz.de (Niels Coelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <6I3IMnILwmB@nuppy.harz.de> References: <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu> Subject: Re: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Hallo yuedong@math.uic.edu! > Can I install Nextstep in seperate partition along with NT > and OS2. How cqan boot Nextstep? Yes. At first, use OS/2 fdisk for the partition. It has to be an extended one. Then install NS on the extended partition and add the partition to the Bootmanager menu. cu Niels -- Niels Coelle Fido : 2:2437/120.23 Seilerstr. 11 Internet: ncoelle@nuppy.harz.de 38678 Clausthal-Zellerfeld,FRG Voice : 49-5323-94916 ## CrossPoint v3.1 R ##
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Message-ID: <1996Oct1.080024.25173@roper.uwyo.edu> From: nor@panoramix.uwyo.edu (norbert pirzkal) Date: 1 Oct 96 08:00:24 MDT References: <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu> Distribution: world Cc: yuedong@math.uic.edu In <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu> Yuedong Mu wrote: > Hi, > Can I install Nextstep in seperate partition along with NT and OS2. > How cqan boot Nextstep? > > Thanks > > The best multi operating system boot utility comes with OS/2. It is called Boot Manager and is really good. The only problem is that it needs a 2 meg partition for itself so that you might have to repartion your disk. Once installed, you can have it switch between NextSTEP, NT, OS/2 with almost no problem. The only catch is that NT does not play nice (what a concept for a MS product...). Just install NT on the first partition following boot manager and things will work just fine... -- Norbert Pirzkal http://faraday.uwyo.edu/grads/npirzkal P.O. Box 3905 Physics & Astronomy Department University Station Laramie, WY, 82071
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: APOLOGY: PROCMAIL error by me at my site Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961001121413.901C-100000@charisma> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:21:00 -0400 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It has come to my attention that while testing a new anti-SPAM recipe in 'procmail' a mistake was made on my part which resulted in mis-matches of messages. Basically speaking, what happened was that for a few hours, anyone who sent me email received a rather nasty little note that they were part of my "known spammers" file. This is obviously very upsetting to me, knowing that people who tried to email me could not. It is also upsetting that because this recipe was for dealing with SPAM, the original messages were deleted once the responses went out, and my 'procmail' log is trimmed when I reboot, which I did before I found out about this incident. Please understand that some of my mail goes out as 'luomat@nerc1.nerc.com', some as 'luomat@nerc3.nerc.com', and some as 'luomat@nerc.com', which means that those who gather email addresses tend to send me _three_copies_ of each spam message, so you can understand why I have been trying to deal with this problem. Again, my sincere apologies to anyone who received one of these messages by mistake, I have since turned off the entire SPAM program and will likely never try it again. TjL, Idiot at Large
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From: Robert Nicholson <robert@elastica.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anybody going to Comdex? Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:17:15 -0400 Organization: Digital Gateway Systems Sender: robert@justine Message-ID: <p684vzavo.fsf@elastica.com> If anybody's going to Comdex and can offer any points I'd certainly value them. Cheers. -- They pay homage to a king who's dreams are buried in their minds. His tears are frozen stiff. Icicles drip from his eyes.
From: Hi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac to Unix file conversion Date: 1 Oct 1996 19:16:06 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <52rqlm$18f8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Hi all, I have use of a portable macintosh for a couple of weeks. I have now run into the problem of text file conversion. What is the simplist way to convert text files back and forth (so I can work on my LaTeX sources)? An automated filter would be preferrable... Thanks in advance for any help. - Steve -- ============================================================== Stephen J. Perkins | mailto:perkins@cps.msu.edu Dept. of Comp. Science | NeXT, MIME, finger for PGP Michigan State University | NeXT OS 3.3 using PPP-2.2 NeXT PPP-2.2 info at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
From: yucheng@math.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Date: 2 Oct 1996 06:32:05 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Message-ID: <52t295$1gpa@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <52pg8u$1sq4@piglet.cc.uic.edu> <6I3IMnILwmB@nuppy.harz.de> In-Reply-To: <6I3IMnILwmB@nuppy.harz.de> On 09/30/96, Niels Coelle wrote: >Hallo yuedong@math.uic.edu! > >> Can I install Nextstep in seperate partition along with NT >> and OS2. How cqan boot Nextstep? > >Yes. At first, use OS/2 fdisk for the partition. It has to be an extended >one. Then install NS on the extended partition and add the partition to >the Bootmanager menu. > >cu >Niels I don't think NeXTSTEP can handle extended partition. It is mentioned in the fdisk: fdisk knows nothing about logical partitions, which are sub-partitions of an extended partition. Nor perhaps should it, as these are gross kludges from the Evil OS Company of the North. Except the usage of one primary partition for NeXTSTEP, OS/2's boot manager handles everything quite well (at least in my case). -- ---------------- Yuwen Cheng University of Arizona, Math yucheng@math.arizona.edu
From: TS-Automation@datacomm.ch (Thomas Schaertel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Novell in 4.0 Date: 2 Oct 1996 08:33:18 GMT Organization: TS-Automation Message-ID: <09960902100809.OUI55.TS-Automation@datacomm.ch> References: <525n8q$5rg@netty.york.ac.uk> <52e3bl$7nj@news.us.net> In article <52e3bl$7nj@news.us.net>, From bchin@us.net (Bill Chin), the following was written: > Also, since the NetWare client under NS3.3 is for NetWare 2.x and > 3.x, how does one log into a NetWare 4.x server when the account is > in another context (not the default one)? In fact it doesn´t matter when the user account was established in another context, since Novell NetWare 4.1x provides multiple Bindery contexts (SET BINDERY CONTEXT= , separate all contexts mentioned here with semicolons). You are right, the NeTware client is only bindery oriented. As a result, it´s not possible to maintain the user via the NWADMIN or NETADMIN tools, because you have to create a bindery login for this specific user. Support is pretty poor within NeXTSTEP. After changing to a NeTWare 4.1 server, the NUC.NLM (the module you need on a NetWare Server to support UNIX clients) does not work properly, e.g. exceptions stop the fileserver, or you are unable to access a folder). This seems to be related to the NUC.NLM. I use NUC 2.0 and I was unable to pick up a newer version. Personally I feel a little bit sad about NeXT, they announce tools like NetWareManager, provide a basic implementation and in the next release these tools are missing or not supported any more. Thomas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "bill romanowski" <prairie@iquest.net> Subject: How to share printer? Message-ID: <01bbb028$1ae646a0$91ec35ce@zippy> Sender: news@iquest.net (News Admin) Organization: prairie research Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 06:08:50 GMT I have two NeXT slabs, both running 3.0 (We'll call them systems A and B) They are connected via ethernet. System A has a NeXT printer attached. How do I get system B to see/use System A's printer? I'm not using NetInfo... Do I have to? (I'd prefer not) Bill Romanowski
From: guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl (A. Guyt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Date: 2 Oct 1996 11:21:13 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology Message-ID: <52tj79$pcs@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> References: <52t295$1gpa@news.ccit.arizona.edu> > I don't think NeXTSTEP can handle extended partition. It is mentioned in the > fdisk: > > fdisk knows nothing about logical partitions, which are > sub-partitions of an extended partition. Nor perhaps should > it, as these are gross kludges from the Evil OS Company of > the North. > > Except the usage of one primary partition for NeXTSTEP, OS/2's boot manager > handles everything quite well (at least in my case). > > -- > ---------------- > Yuwen Cheng > University of Arizona, Math > yucheng@math.arizona.edu Why use the Os/2 boot manager at all, it is not very efficient: it needs a whole partition of its own. I use a boot manager that works well with NS, NT, Linux and Dos (quattro boot) that is available on the net and does NOT need a seperate paritition: http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~wolf/os-bs.html Abraham Guyt. _____________________________________________________________________ Abraham Guyt P.O.Box 356 Department of Information Systems 2600 AJ Delft Faculty Technical Mathematics & Informatics The Netherlands Delft University of Technology tel: +31 15 78 5969 E-mail: guyt@is.twi.tudelft.nl NeXT-mail welcome
From: coyote <dusk@wwdg.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: C++ compiler Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:38:01 -0600 Organization: less is more Message-ID: <32528C59.BAB@wwdg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This may be an amazingly stupid question, but I can't seem to find the answer to it amongst my colleagues, so... I have a NeXT workstation (slab), running version 3.3. Is there a C++ compiler included with this release? If so, how does one invoke it? If not, I've heard there is C++ compilation freeware available out there - any idea where? And would it run under NeXTStep? We currently do have the Absoft fortran compiler. Thanks, Doug
From: Rick Forrister <rickf@glacier.jpl.nasa.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.misc,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.xenix.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: --Do you need money? Read this! Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:43:42 -0700 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Message-ID: <3252C5EE.336B@glacier.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <52o8vd$pp8@news.mty.itesm.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Aero Dragon <Aero_Dragon@HotMail.com> Aero Dragon wrote: > > THIS REALLY DOES WORK!!!! > It only cost me the postage and $5. > READ ON. > > Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take [snip of a lot of crap] > > And you can't lose anyway! If only 6 people send you the money, you are alredy > winning 1 buck! Can you spell PONZI SCHEME, boys and girls? Gooood, I thought so. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Rick Forrister <rickf@glacier.jpl.nasa.gov | | "It is error alone which needs support of the government. Truth | | can stand by itself. (T. Jefferson) Vote Libertarian! | --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bin <binclare@iconn.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help w/ error message Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 21:11:00 -0400 Organization: i-conn Message-ID: <325312A4.7259@iconn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can anyone help me with an error message i get when i try to start my NeXT Cube? please, please try to help, email me -thanx
From: atang@io.org (Andrew Tang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does Enterprise Objects Framework 2.0 support Java? Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 02:42:32 GMT Organization: Internex Online (io.org), Toronto, Ontario, Canada Message-ID: <32532460.1699515@news.io.org> In WebObjects Enterprise 3.0/Enterprise Objects Framework 2.0, can I write ALL (100%) of my business objects in Java? Basically, we'd like to do all of our implementation in Java; we do not want to write even one line of Objective-C code. Is this possible with WebObjects Enterprise 3.0? I have been trying to get a definitive answer from NeXT for the past week. I left several phone messages and sent e-mail messages to the appropriate people, and what I got is simply two words: NO REPLY. Obviously those guys are quite busy minding their own businesses while I am getting frustrated trying to get a straight answer from them. So I am trying the USENET news community as a last resort. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Andrew Tang (atang@io.org)
From: yucheng@math.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install Nextstep with NT, OS2 Date: 3 Oct 1996 04:01:38 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Message-ID: <52vdr2$r6a@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <52t295$1gpa@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <52tj79$pcs@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> In-Reply-To: <52tj79$pcs@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> On 10/01/96, A. Guyt wrote: > >Why use the Os/2 boot manager at all, it is not very efficient: it needs a >whole partition of its own. > >I use a boot manager that works well with NS, NT, Linux and Dos (quattro >boot) that is available on the net and does NOT need a seperate >paritition: > http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~wolf/os-bs.html > >Abraham Guyt. IMO, the best thing of OS/2's boot manager is the standalone partition. Some others are using the MBR in your hard drive (e.g., NeXTSTEP and Lilo). Those are quite efficient, but due to the behavior of one evil company's products, the MBR will be very easy to be overwritten. And you'll have a hard time to get your boot manager back if that happens. On the other hand, you only need to set back the active flag for OS/2's boot manager to have it functions again. -- ---------------- Yuwen Cheng University of Arizona, Math yucheng@math.arizona.edu
From: <David W. Gotthold> blumoose@bardosaur.mer.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help: OmniWeb fails and other sytem problems Date: 3 Oct 1996 15:16:17 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <530lc1$1bq@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Sometimes OmniWeb fails to launch. It starts up a window, but then closes immediately with the following errors showing up in the console: Oct 3 10:10:32 bardosaur netmsgserver[22]: netname_main.msg_send fails, kr = -102. Oct 3 10:10:32 bardosaur netmsgserver[22]: netname_main.port_type fails, kr = 4. Anybody have any ideas? I've been having trouble with my system recently and a new motherboard fixed the problems, but now I've been getting (different) wierd errors. Other apps sometimes exhibit similar behavior - they start and then exit immediately. I've seen it with Mail, Edit and Alexandra Please send me any hints! Thanks, David -- David Gotthold University of Texas at Austin, Microelectronics Research Center blumoose@mail.utexas.edu .................office (512) 471-5383 http://bardosaur.mer.utexas.edu .............fax (512) 471-8575
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: SoundKit in 4.0 (was: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions.) Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 02:23:46 GMT References: <324FBB83.280B@seastar.org> <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>, Paul Lynch <paul@plsys.co.uk> wrote: >3.3 or 4.0 (or 4.1) would be nice to have. Even nicer, IMHO, would be >another 16Mb RAM. SoundKit isn't in 4.0; you might be interested in the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >old MusicKit as well. > Huh??!? Can't write any apps that do sound stuff? Ughgh... -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: keithw@bctv.com (Keith Wood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.misc,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.xenix.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: --Do you need money? Read this! Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:22:27 +0000 Organization: Brass Cannon Productions/TANSTAAFL Message-ID: <zo9UywUN3/2T091yn@bctv.com> References: <52o8vd$pp8@news.mty.itesm.mx> <3252C5EE.336B@glacier.jpl.nasa.gov> Yes, I need enough money to hire a hit man to get rid of all the make-money schemers.
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Subject: Re: SoundKit in 4.0 (was: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions.) Message-ID: <1996Oct3.192331.10714@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:23:31 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc In article <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) writes: > In article <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>, > Paul Lynch <paul@plsys.co.uk> wrote: > >3.3 or 4.0 (or 4.1) would be nice to have. Even nicer, IMHO, would be > >another 16Mb RAM. SoundKit isn't in 4.0; you might be interested in the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >old MusicKit as well. > > Huh??!? Can't write any apps that do sound stuff? Ughgh... Donated to MiscKit. I'm looking at porting some sound stuff to OpenStep (both NT and Solaris); I'm not very happy at the moment... Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: jimr@simons-rock.edu (James A. Robinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac to Unix file conversion Date: 2 Oct 1996 09:18:27 GMT Organization: Simon's Rock College Message-ID: <52tc13$jdg@gateway.simons-rock.edu> References: <52rqlm$18f8@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Hi In article <52rqlm$18f8@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, > into the problem of text file conversion. What is the simplist way to > convert text files back and forth (so I can work Stick the following into a file and make it executable. Then just run it on a file, Mac or Unix format, to get the opposite type output to screen, which you can redirect to another file using "> filename". #!/bin/sh cat "$@" | tr '\012\015' '\015\012' You should then be able to do stuff like ./macXchange macfile > new_unixfile ./macXchange new_unixfile > new_macfile Jim
From: 94k068@chestud.chalmers.se (Lundstr”m, Henrik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Website with Next Cube and Nextstation brochures? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:52:08 Organization: Chem. Dept, Chalmers & Gothenburg Universities Message-ID: <94k068.208.0010DEFD@chestud.chalmers.se> Could someone please mail me the URL to the website that features scans of old NeXT brochures? /Henrik
From: gclem@dannug.dk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insignia gone? Date: 3 Oct 1996 07:07:43 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <52vonv$aoa@snaps.dannug.dk> Anyone that knows if Insignia still exists? The telephone + telefax numbers in the UK and US for Insignia doesn t work. I have 18 copies of SoftPC 4.1 that I need license keys for. Geert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Matt Jurcich <invisix@goldengate.net> Subject: Re: Insignia gone? Message-ID: <32547508.FF6@goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 19:23:04 -0700 References: <52vonv$aoa@snaps.dannug.dk> Organization: transwarp MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gclem@dannug.dk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gclem@dannug.dk wrote: > > Anyone that knows if Insignia still exists? The telephone + telefax > numbers in the UK and US for Insignia doesn t work. I have 18 copies of > SoftPC 4.1 that I need license keys for. > > Geert Hey, I know Silicon Graphic still bundles SoftWindows with their new systems. If you head to http://www.sgi.com/Technology/Connectivity/SoftWindows.html they have an address, phone number, e-mail for them and other info. Hope that helps! Later. -- MATT | mailto:invisix@goldengate.net ** living a microsoft ** jurcich | http://www.goldengate.net/~invisix ** free lifestyle ** Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 32MB, 1.5GB, 17" Fimi, NEXTSTEP 3.2
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Matt Jurcich <invisix@goldengate.net> Subject: Re: Website with Next Cube and Nextstation brochures? Message-ID: <325475CD.ABD@goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 19:26:21 -0700 References: <94k068.208.0010DEFD@chestud.chalmers.se> Organization: transwarp MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lundstrm, Henrik" <94k068@chestud.chalmers.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lundstr”m, Henrik wrote: > > Could someone please mail me the URL to the website that features scans of old > NeXT brochures? > > /Henrik A fantastic site, I might add, at http://iris.disscvs.uga.edu/~archive/NeXT/NeXT.html ... Enjoy! (short plug) PS: My site has some useful NeXT and SGI links. (see my sig) -- MATT | mailto:invisix@goldengate.net ** living a microsoft ** jurcich | http://www.goldengate.net/~invisix ** free lifestyle ** Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 32MB, 1.5GB, 17" Fimi, NEXTSTEP 3.2
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Matt Jurcich <invisix@goldengate.net> Subject: Re: Website with Next Cube and Nextstation brochures? Message-ID: <32547B88.258F@goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 21:50:48 -0500 References: <94k068.208.0010DEFD@chestud.chalmers.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lundstr”m, Henrik" <94k068@chestud.chalmers.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lundstr”m, Henrik wrote: > > Could someone please mail me the URL to the website that features scans of old > NeXT brochures? > > /Henrik Hmm, I believe I entered the wronf URL. Try this one. http://iris.dissvcs.uga.edu/~archive/NeXT/NeXT.html -- // matt jurcich // transwarp // mailto:invisix@goldengate.net // \\ Silicon Graphics \\ Compaq \\ NeXT \\ Netscape \\ NEC \\ // http://www.goldengate.net/~invisix // Redistribution of this message via the Microsoft Network is prohibited
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Matt Jurcich <invisix@goldengate.net> Subject: NeXT FAQ's Message-ID: <3254B22E.7DE1@goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 23:43:58 -0700 Organization: transwarp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen some NeXT FAQ's out there (I have them listed on my web site) and they could stand some updating. Is anyone currently in charge of running them? I tried to mail a few people that seemed to be involved with it, be only got bounced mail. If the maintainers, or someone involved, can contact me, I have additions that I would like to submit. And if no one is currently managing them, I'd be interested in hosting them. In any event, let me know. Thanks. -- MATT | mailto:invisix@goldengate.net ** living a microsoft ** jurcich | http://www.goldengate.net/~invisix ** free lifestyle ** Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 32MB, 1.5GB, 17" Fimi, NEXTSTEP 3.2
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Insignia gone? Date: 4 Oct 1996 08:46:33 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <532it9$j36@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <52vonv$aoa@snaps.dannug.dk> Cc: gclem@dannug.dk In <52vonv$aoa@snaps.dannug.dk> gclem@dannug.dk wrote: > Anyone that knows if Insignia still exists? The telephone + telefax > numbers in the UK and US for Insignia doesn t work. I have 18 copies of > SoftPC 4.1 that I need license keys for. These UK numbers both work: Head Office: +44 1494 459426 European Response Centre: +44 131 458 6849 Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: mpaque@pacbell.net (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SoundKit in 4.0 (was: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions.) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 19:04:24 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <533nbf$1t8@news2.snfc21.pacbell.net> References: <324FBB83.280B@seastar.org> <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: >In article <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>, >Paul Lynch <paul@plsys.co.uk> wrote: >>3.3 or 4.0 (or 4.1) would be nice to have. Even nicer, IMHO, would be >>another 16Mb RAM. SoundKit isn't in 4.0; you might be interested in the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>old MusicKit as well. >> > Huh??!? Can't write any apps that do sound stuff? Ughgh... Huh indeed. OPENSTEP apps can use /NextLibrary/Frameworks/SoundKit.framework. Same API, now in a framework. The shared library is present in all user systems. (Better be... The WindowServer relies on it to support that funky playsound operator used for system beeps.) Existing NEXTSTEP apps use the SoundKit compatability static shared library. Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@pacbell.net Personal E-mail mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: NeXT FAQ's Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961004163345.9848A-100000@charisma> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:53:30 -0400 References: <3254B22E.7DE1@goldengate.net> To: Matt Jurcich <invisix@goldengate.net> In-Reply-To: <3254B22E.7DE1@goldengate.net> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The latest version I know of: From: scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Bernhard Scholz) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.answers,news.answers Subject: The NeXT-FAQ (Frequently asked questions) Followup-To: de.comp.sys.next Date: 16 Aug 1996 12:53:15 GMT Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Expires: Sunday, 15 Sep 96 14:53:11 MESZ Reply-To: scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Bernhard Scholz) Summary: Frequently asked questions concerning NeXT related topics. Posted-By: auto-faq 2.4 Archive-name: NeXT-FAQ Last-modified: Tuesday, 9. June 1996 Posting-Frequency: monthly can be found at: http://www.nerc.com/~luomat/next/mailserver/nextfaq.gz or send me an email with the SUBJECT send-mime nextfaq.gz TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: How to share printer? Message-ID: <Dyr2Fn.2HD@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <01bbb028$1ae646a0$91ec35ce@zippy> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:54:59 GMT In article <01bbb028$1ae646a0$91ec35ce@zippy> "bill romanowski" <prairie@iquest.net> writes: > I have two NeXT slabs, both running 3.0 (We'll call them systems > A and B) They are connected via ethernet. System A has a NeXT > printer attached. How do I get system B to see/use System A's > printer? I'm not using NetInfo... Do I have to? (I'd prefer not) > You are using NetInfo, you just never noticed! NS isn't working without NI! Use PrintManger.app on system A and make the printer public. If both systems are in the same NI domain this will do. If not the better choice is to set them up accordingly. If you chose not to (strange but ok, you'll have to live with it not me ;-) look for the online sysadmin manual in section "Mixed Networks" on how to include Unix style 'lpd' served printers. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SoundKit in 4.0 (was: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions.) Date: 5 Oct 1996 00:05:50 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5348ou$1ci@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <1996Oct3.192331.10714@seer.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1996Oct3.192331.10714@seer.demon.co.uk> On 10/03/96, Paul Lynch wrote: > In article <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca > (David Evans) writes: > > >3.3 or 4.0 (or 4.1) would be nice to have. Even nicer, IMHO, would be > > >another 16Mb RAM. SoundKit isn't in 4.0; you might be interested in > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > the old MusicKit as well. > > > > Huh??!? Can't write any apps that do sound stuff? Ughgh... > > Donated to MiscKit. I'm looking at porting some sound stuff to OpenStep > (both NT and Solaris); I'm not very happy at the moment... > Hmm, so what needs doing...? Don? There seem to be a number of people around who know a bit about sound... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Paul Lynch <Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk> Subject: Re: SoundKit in 4.0 (was: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions.) Message-ID: <1996Oct5.064416.15877@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <533nbf$1t8@news2.snfc21.pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 06:44:16 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc In article <533nbf$1t8@news2.snfc21.pacbell.net> mpaque@pacbell.net (Mike Paquette) writes: > dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > > >In article <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>, > >Paul Lynch <paul@plsys.co.uk> wrote: > >>3.3 or 4.0 (or 4.1) would be nice to have. Even nicer, IMHO, would be > >>another 16Mb RAM. SoundKit isn't in 4.0; you might be interested in the > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>old MusicKit as well. > >> > > > Huh??!? Can't write any apps that do sound stuff? Ughgh... > > Huh indeed. > > OPENSTEP apps can use /NextLibrary/Frameworks/SoundKit.framework. > Same API, now in a framework. The shared library is present in all > user systems. (Better be... The WindowServer relies on it to support > that funky playsound operator used for system beeps.) > > Existing NEXTSTEP apps use the SoundKit compatability static shared > library. Sorry for my error; SoundKit indeed remains in OpenStep. The two kits transferred to MiscKit are IndexingKit and 3DKit. Now that our sound porting is going so well, I've got the IndexingKit stuff to worry about :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: gclem@dannug.dk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insignia not gone Date: 5 Oct 1996 15:08:48 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <535tm0$gfg@snaps.dannug.dk> A couple of days ago I asked whether Insignia still existed. Insignia does indeed exists, it was just that the phone+fax numbers on the printed manual (SoftPC 4.1) was out of date. Some changes in the UK phone system now requires a 1 in front of the regular number. Geert
From: davidjohn@netgate.net (Na Ga) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black hole icons Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 10:46:51 -0700 Organization: NetGate Communications Message-ID: <davidjohn-0510961046510001@d53.netgate.net> Back a long time ago, some kind soul posted a thing to restore the 1.x black hole icons. I seem to have deleted mine at some point. Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy these days? david john burrowes davidjohn@netgate.net
From: "Donald E. McCollam" <mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing from NT 4.0 via LPR to NeXT Printer Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:42:09 -0700 Organization: The University of Arizona Message-ID: <3256F251.532A@snow.ccit.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Has anyone set up NT 4.0 to print to a NeXT printer (attached to a NeXT, obviously)? I had it set up for NT 3.5.1; but NT 4.0 fails to print colors as greyscale. I can't seem to find any "use greyscale" settings, etc. Any ideas appreciated. Thanks. Don McCollam mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: Black hole icons Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961006011428.11046A-100000@charisma> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 01:16:00 -0400 References: <davidjohn-0510961046510001@d53.netgate.net> To: Na Ga <davidjohn@netgate.net> In-Reply-To: <davidjohn-0510961046510001@d53.netgate.net> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/pub/next/Tools/workspace/SuperHack.1.0.N.b.tar.gz The binary is m68k-only, but I think you can replace the TIFFs manually on a non-m68k system TjL
From: Ivo Welch <ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: R Statistical Software for NEXTSTEP 3.3 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 07:49:51 -0700 Organization: Anderson School of Management at UCLA Message-ID: <3257C70F.14314B3D@anderson.ucla.edu> References: <533r3q$6jk@news.digifix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There actually is a second option, tsp, available. Contact is clint@leland.stanford.edu. /ivo welch Steve Shiboski wrote: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > R ALPHA PRE-RELEASE for NEXTSTEP version 3.3 (M68k and Intel) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ivo Welch mailto:ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu ---------------------------- Ivo Welch.............. http://next.agsm.ucla.edu/ UCLA AGSM Finance...... http://www.agsm.ucla.edu/finance/ Int'l WWW/Email Dirctry http://next.agsm.ucla.edu/dir/ -- ---------------------------- --
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Comparison wanted: Black 17" and 21" color monitors Date: 6 Oct 1996 22:01:06 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <539a72$ksj@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Hello, I might be buying a turbo color and I was wondering if someone who had worked with both could offer a comparison of the upgraded Sony 17" color monitor that NEXT was last shipping and the 21" color monitor that was an option (was the 21" monitor ever upgraded?) Many thanks. -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Email address for Bruce Webster Date: 6 Oct 1996 22:03:24 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <539abc$ktm@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Hello, Would anyone have a valid email address for Bruce Webster? Many thanks. -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: SoundKit in 4.0 (was: NeXT (Black Cube) Newbie questions.) Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Dytqxq.6ot@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:39:26 GMT References: <324FBB83.280B@seastar.org> <52qr44$gfi@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <DyoHBM.FG7@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <533nbf$1t8@news2.snfc21.pacbell.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <533nbf$1t8@news2.snfc21.pacbell.net>, Mike Paquette <mpaque@pacbell.net> wrote: >dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > >> Huh??!? Can't write any apps that do sound stuff? Ughgh... > >Huh indeed. > >OPENSTEP apps can use /NextLibrary/Frameworks/SoundKit.framework. >Same API, now in a framework. The shared library is present in all >user systems. (Better be... The WindowServer relies on it to support >that funky playsound operator used for system beeps.) > Good...I was worried. Guess I should get 4.1 when it appears...then I won't have to keep asking these sorts of questions. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Christian.Colin@emn.fr (Christian Colin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: "French<->English" Dictionary Date: 7 Oct 1996 09:25:46 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines de Nantes Message-ID: <53aiaq$hnv@wfn.emn.fr> Hi, Does somebody know a "French<->English" Dictionary for SPARC-NextStep 3.3 ? Thanks in advance. Christian _________________________________________________________________________ Christian Colin D partement Informatique - Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, rue Alfred Kastler F-44070 Nantes Cedex 03 FRANCE TEL :(en France) 02 51 85 82 18 PHONE (outside France) : 33 2 51 85 82 07 E-mail : Christian.Colin@emn.fr WWW : http://www.emn.fr/dept_info/image _________________________________________________________________________
From: neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does Enterprise Objects Framework 2.0 support Java? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 7 Oct 1996 13:55:40 GMT Organization: Fachbereich Informatik, TH Darmstadt, Deutschland Message-ID: <53b24s$uku@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <32532460.1699515@news.io.org> Andrew Tang (atang@io.org) wrote: > In WebObjects Enterprise 3.0/Enterprise Objects Framework 2.0, can I > write ALL (100%) of my business objects in Java? Basically, we'd like > to do all of our implementation in Java; we do not want to write even > one line of Objective-C code. Is this possible with WebObjects > Enterprise 3.0? Hm, is WO 3.0 released yet? If so, does it contain a Java compiler? :-) If the latter is the case, the answer probably is yes, otherwise it's doubtful. Now if you were talking about the client side of a WebObjects based Weblication, that'd be a completely different story. Let's wait until friday. Yours truely, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "I ride tandem with a random.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT FAQ's Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:59:01 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961007165253.23499B-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <3254B22E.7DE1@goldengate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3254B22E.7DE1@goldengate.net> On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Matt Jurcich wrote: > I've seen some NeXT FAQ's out there (I have them listed on my web site) > and they could stand some updating. Is anyone currently in charge of > running them? I tried to mail a few people that seemed to be involved > with it, be only got bounced mail. 1) what is your WWW link? It should be: http://peanuts.leo.org/ 2) Several people? I only know of myself :) > If the maintainers, or someone involved, can contact me, I have > additions that I would like to submit. And if no one is currently > managing them, I'd be interested in hosting them. > I'm interested in anybody willing to update sections of the FAQ or submitting more information. I'm the current maintainer and my e-mails are: scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de scholz@leo.org scholz@informaitk.tu-muenchen.de Any should work, just in case of troubles ... Note: There is no issue for the last month. I got so much work with the CD-set of the Peanuts archive, that the FAQ work was delayed. The current FAQ is available throuh: news.answers and peanuts.leo.org (inofficial mirrors may exist) Of course there will be a new version this month released in about 1-2 weeks. Greetings, Bernhard.
Message-ID: <32592F37.253A@dsm.fordham.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:26:31 -0400 From: Ellen <hliu@dsm.fordham.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: C++ compiler References: <32528C59.BAB@wwdg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit coyote wrote: > > Hello, > > This may be an amazingly stupid question, but I can't seem to find the > answer to it amongst my colleagues, so... > > I have a NeXT workstation (slab), running version 3.3. Is there a C++ > compiler included with this release? If so, how does one invoke it? If > not, I've heard there is C++ compilation freeware available out there - > any idea where? And would it run under NeXTStep? > > We currently do have the Absoft fortran compiler. > > Thanks, > Doug I am looking to compile gcc for my next step 3.3 computer. Unfortionately this requires either a compiler on my next step, which I don't have, or libgcc.a + the include files from a next step computer, which again I don't have. If you could post either of these items I would be very greatfull. Thank You.
From: hidinger@minors.nosc.mil (Ronald M. Hidinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mail.app addresses Date: 7 Oct 1996 20:08:10 GMT Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA 92147 Message-ID: <53bnva$jno@poisson.nosc.mil> Where does mail.app keep its list of addresses? The manuals say /LocalLibrary/Images/People, but that's empty. Can't seem to find them in the other obvious places like ~/Mailboxes of ~/Library. Ron Hidinger
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: C++ compiler Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:41:13 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <omKKfdq00UzxE2FZJR@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <32528C59.BAB@wwdg.com> <32592F37.253A@dsm.fordham.edu> In-Reply-To: <32592F37.253A@dsm.fordham.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Oct-96 Re: C++ compiler by Ellen@dsm.fordham.edu > I am looking to compile gcc for my next step 3.3 computer. > Unfortionately this requires either a compiler on my next step, which I > don't have, or libgcc.a + the include files from a next step computer, > which again I don't have. If you could post either of these items I > would be very greatfull. Thank You. No can do-- the header files and libraries are the copyrighted property of NeXT. If you want to compile software under NEXTSTEP, you have to get NEXTSTEP/Developer. Of course, you get NEXTSTEP/Developer with the academic package (although the license forbids you from developing commercial products with an academic version). -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: mail.app addresses Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961007183405.3675A-100000@charisma> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:35:14 -0400 References: <53bnva$jno@poisson.nosc.mil> To: "Ronald M. Hidinger" <hidinger@minors.nosc.mil> In-Reply-To: <53bnva$jno@poisson.nosc.mil> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ~/.NeXT/.mailalias recently voted "Worst Placement of Any Application File" by me... Why would anyone put a dot-file inside a dot-folder, I don't know... TjL
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Easter Eggs. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 6 Oct 1996 07:51:52 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <537oeo$lhj@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: hmm fun one I just found one (well actually 3) in the CDPlayer in 4.0, I have yet to confirm it in earlier releases, and since I'd never seen it, nor seen it mentioned, I figured I'd pass it on. If you have the CD Player open, and the main panel up, and you click under the track/time windows on the left in the very middle space, like ---------- --------------- |________| |_____________| X X X For the first X (left), you get a small window than you can enter track number's in. For the second X you get output on the console that tells you stuff like this: Play mode: 0, lastTrack: 12, currentTrack: 6 Tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 For the third X you get a catalog of times for the tracks like: -------- Catalog start -------- Tracks: 1, 13 "Lead out" track start: 49:39:55 Track: 1, Start Time: 0:02, Length: 160 Track: 2, Start Time: 2:42, Length: 222 Track: 3, Start Time: 6:24, Length: 231 Track: 4, Start Time: 10:15, Length: 239 Track: 5, Start Time: 14:14, Length: 232 Track: 6, Start Time: 18:06, Length: 363 Track: 7, Start Time: 24:09, Length: 216 Track: 8, Start Time: 27:45, Length: 243 Track: 9, Start Time: 31:48, Length: 63 Track: 10, Start Time: 32:51, Length: 346 Track: 11, Start Time: 38:37, Length: 209 Track: 12, Start Time: 42:06, Length: 178 Track: 13, Start Time: 45:04, Length: 275 -------- Catalog done -------- It may take a bit of playing with it to find the "sweet" spots, but it's very cool info to have if you're wondering "how long is this CD" and the like... Also, with the track entry window, you can slide the rest of the player off the screen if you want... Anyway, it was fun to find :) Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: catsmeat@netcom.com (Peter Thompson) Subject: Re: mail.app addresses Message-ID: <catsmeatDyxJ80.EqG@netcom.com> Organization: Relax, Don't Worry, Have a Homebrew! References: <53bnva$jno@poisson.nosc.mil> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:43:12 GMT Sender: catsmeat@netcom9.netcom.com Ronald M. Hidinger (hidinger@minors.nosc.mil) wrote: : Where does mail.app keep its list of addresses? The manuals say : /LocalLibrary/Images/People, but that's empty. Can't seem to find : them in the other obvious places like ~/Mailboxes of ~/Library. : Ron Hidinger It appears to be hiding them in ~/.NeXT/.mailalias Peter Thompson.
From: paul@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Insignia not gone Date: 8 Oct 1996 09:37:00 GMT Organization: P & L Systems, Ltd. Message-ID: <53d7bs$j36@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <535tm0$gfg@snaps.dannug.dk> <537nm4$csv@portal.gmu.edu> Cc: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu In <537nm4$csv@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: > SoftPC has only -very- limited support at this point however, > so if you get deep in tech problems (fear this hell) it could > be quite dicey for you. Ian Stephenson was the main developer/support person, and he moved on a few months ago. Insignia have also been disposing of final stocks from their UK office, and are unlikely to run off any more. The situation in the USA may be different. > A better solution is to use Cub-X with Ntrigue, their NT-to-X > solution. Basicly with Ntrigue and Cub-X, (or any X), you can > have ~native~ Win/NT on your desktop. OpenStep for NT will run > on it too for you developer types... So that means with NFS > mounted home dir's you can have single source trees & develop > on a real OS instead of being stuck with N.ot T.here to perform > minor tweaks & the like on. NTrigue with Cub'X is excellent, if you have the spare machine to support it. However, for some unknown reason performance with OpenStep is very poor. Given that NTrigue replaces the NT kernel, this shouldn't be entirely surprising. The version of NTrigue for NT 4.0 isn't due out until sometime next year. I'd like to see the current version with the release version of OpenStep Developer, just to find out what performance is really like. > In any case, they're easy to find, they jsut moved offices in the > US is all... He was trying their UK head office; the UK renumbered the phone system a couple of years ago, and have recently discontinued the electronic voice messages that tell you to redial. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) paul@plsys.co.uk Tel: (01494)432422 P & L Systems Fax: (01494)432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: can no longer mount DOS CDs! Please help! Date: 8 Oct 1996 14:27:25 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <53docd$2ob@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Keywords: CD CDROM DOS SCSI Thanks for the responses so far, but none helped.... Ayis Theseas Pyrros <ayis@esg.com> suggested: > Try replacing the software which is responsible for mounting DOS > filesystems, it could be corrupt. Filesystem support is under > /usr/filesystems/DOS.fs/ A small program called DOS.util does the > work for mounting DOS systems. Check to make sure you can run it > and make sure the directory is there. > I diff-ed it to the CDROM: no differences. I copied it over from the CDROM and tried again: does not work :-( Furthermore, I can mount DOS floppies fine (which is supposedly handled by the same program). Besides, I looked in the man page for fstab and it says that DOS-CDROMs can't be mounted: dos mnt_fsname Must be a raw device. mnt_opts Ignored. NOTE: This file system does not support SCSI hard disks, CD-ROMs, or 2.88 MB floppies; it supports only 720KB and 1.4 MB floppies. To mount a dos volume, the appropriate loadable kernel server must already be loaded into the system. ..or at least this is how I interpret it. However, I remember that I DEFINATELY HAD DOS cdroms mounted before! "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> had suggested to > edit /etc/mtab to have something like this in it (in addition to what was > already there): > /dev/rsd3h /DosCD dos ro,removable,filesystem=CDROM 1 2 > I tried this, but nothing happened. I tried to mount the CDROM with various forms of mount commands, but all I got was just error messages. "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> had also suggested to > If that didn't work, I'd logout, halt, get to the ROM monitor, put a > DOS CD into the CD-ROM and boot in verbose mode, and watch what it > says when it gets to the CD-ROM. > during verbose startup the cd-player identyfies itself but I did not get any hints out of these messages. "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> had also suggested to > Then I might wonder about the permissions, and I'd look at 'ls': > crw-r----- 1 root operator 14, 31 May 4 13:08 /dev/rsd3h > which works fine for me. > Permissions are fine, no problem there. However, I am not alone, as Christian Vollmert <chris%homer@annexr1-6.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE> has the very same problem. What could have happened? Can some kind soul out there, with a working SCSI CDROM (preferrably on a black NeXTStation) that can read and mount DOS CDs **PLEASE** help me by: automounting a DOS CDROM (just by inserting a DOS CDROM into the SCSI drive) and mailing me their /etc/mtab ????????????????????? That would probably help me a lot! By and thanks in advance Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail welcome_________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University | G i b D O S | Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group | k e i n e |
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Insignia not gone Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:12:05 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <DyyCC6.K68@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <537nm4$csv@portal.gmu.edu> In article <537nm4$csv@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) writes: > SoftPC has only -very- limited support at this point however, > so if you get deep in tech problems (fear this hell) it could > be quite dicey for you. For the last 18months, NeXT support/development/everything was me. However from November when SoftPC4.1 shipped until May (when I left) only TWO bugs made it past the phone guys to actually reach me. Both were winsock bugs (4.1p1 was trivial. 4.1p1001 is a pretty major overhaul [again] of the winsock code. p1001 will run Lotus Notes 4). I wouldn't recomend either patch unless you actually need to try them, as they could introduce other problems (they're not tested other than against the known problem apps), but if you have winsock problems then they're worth a try. > A better solution is to use Cub-X with Ntrigue, their NT-to-X > solution Basically it adds remote display, and multi-user stuff to NT. Personally I didn't think it worked so well with NeXTStep, as the X layer really killed performance (SoftPC4 is faster). The plus side of course is that it is very compatable. I wanted to do a NeXT specific version, but they wouldn't let me :-(. Despite this it was (when I was there) taken up quite a lot by NeXTStep users. For the guy asking about explorer3 - I've no idea! As I said Netscape runs fine, so I'd guess that explorer is probably OK, but the best option is to try it and see. $an
From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/BeBox News written by Korean Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 14:17:56 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <3259E3F5.94A@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you know Korean language, following page will help you for to read NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/BeBox News written by Korean. http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: mail.app addresses Date: 8 Oct 1996 10:42:44 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <53db74$db@turbocat.turbocat.de> References: <53bnva$jno@poisson.nosc.mil> hidinger@minors.nosc.mil (Ronald M. Hidinger) wrote: > Where does mail.app keep its list of addresses? The manuals say > /LocalLibrary/Images/People, but that's empty. Can't seem to find > them in the other obvious places like ~/Mailboxes of ~/Library. > > Ron Hidinger ~/.NeXT/.mailalias _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Insignia not gone Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 6 Oct 1996 07:38:44 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <537nm4$csv@portal.gmu.edu> References: <535tm0$gfg@snaps.dannug.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: check the web page Insignia isn't anywhere near gone. check out www.insignia.com, there's contact info on the web pages. SoftPC has only -very- limited support at this point however, so if you get deep in tech problems (fear this hell) it could be quite dicey for you. A better solution is to use Cub-X with Ntrigue, their NT-to-X solution. Basicly with Ntrigue and Cub-X, (or any X), you can have ~native~ Win/NT on your desktop. OpenStep for NT will run on it too for you developer types... So that means with NFS mounted home dir's you can have single source trees & develop on a real OS instead of being stuck with N.ot T.here to perform minor tweaks & the like on. In any case, they're easy to find, they jsut moved offices in the US is all... Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: NeXT digests from 'antigone.com' have stopped ? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961008122233.4463A-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:24:18 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone else who gets the digests from 'antigone.com' not been getting them for the past few days? I haven't received them since Oct 4th Just curious TjL
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/BeBox News written by Korean Date: 8 Oct 1996 17:14:33 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <53e25p$jtk@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <3259E3F5.94A@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Cc: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr In <3259E3F5.94A@soback.kornet.nm.kr> YoungHoon Kil wrote: > If you know Korean language, following page will help you for to read > NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/BeBox News written by Korean. > > http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai Could someone please post a summary of the page, in English (and possibly in other languages)? -- John "kzin" Rudd kzin@email.sjsu.edu http://icb.sjsu.edu/~kzin =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ "And, ironically, that's how the founding fathers expected it to work: either the government stays clean, or the people shoot them." -- ttk
From: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: Free C compiler Date: 9 Oct 1996 03:33:55 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <53f6f3$dle@transfer.stratus.com> Keywords: C compiler Hello, everyone Could anyone tell me where to get free binaries C compiler on net, for NeXT 3.3 on Intel Artheticture. It's for my personal purpose, not for business. Thanks in advancd. Edward Xu.
From: grehm@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (Georg Rehm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: This is SCARY! Date: 8 Oct 1996 12:26:37 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Distribution: world Message-ID: <53dh9t$hd4@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> <52r1ql$saq@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> @music.gla.ac.uk wrote: > In article <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) > writes: [Michael's problem-description deleted] > Could well be the lithium battery. Try replacing this (shouldn't be hard > to find one). Dead batteries cause this kind of symptom -- it has happened > here before. Michael, don't buy a new battery, it's not worth the money. I have *exactly* the same problem with a NeXTSTATION (mono) as you. I power on, nothing happens, only the fan is working. I pull the plug, power on again and it works just fine. Until now I wasn't able to figure out what's happening with the machine ... :-/ CU, Gg P.S. *ANY* help is appreciated! -- Georg Rehm - Wuestenstrasse 33 - 49080 Osnabrueck - Tel: +49 541 9827762 RFC 822: georg@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de georg@ge.org (NeXTMail / MIME ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Comparison wanted: Black 17" and 21" color monitors Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DyytGx.8A9@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:22:09 GMT References: <539a72$ksj@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <539a72$ksj@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, <jdevlin@umich.edu> wrote: >Hello, > >I might be buying a turbo color and I was wondering if someone who had >worked with both could offer a comparison of the upgraded Sony 17" color >monitor that NEXT was last shipping and the 21" color monitor that was an >option (was the 21" monitor ever upgraded?) > I think all 21" monitors from NeXT were the Hitachi (or was it Panasonic?) version. I have one from September 1991 or so and it's still pretty good. Not as sharp as the Trinitrons we have in the lab, but still very respectable given its age. It's much better than 19" Sun colour monitors from the same era. If the 17" is a FIMI then go for the 21". The one FIMI I've seen looked no better than my Hitachi and it was newer. However, if it was a choice between a 21" Hitachi or a 17" Sony then it's tougher. You'd likely have to A/B them to make a wise decision. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: This is SCARY! (Georg Rehm) Date: 9 Oct 1996 09:03:41 GMT Organization: Unconfigured Message-ID: <53fppd$jdb@jaring.my> References: <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> <52r1ql$saq@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> <53dh9t$hd4@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> > Michael, don't buy a new battery, it's not worth the money. I have *exactly* the same problem with a NeXTSTATION (mono) as you. I power on, nothing happens, only the fan is working. I pull the plug, power on again and it works just fine. Until now I wasn't able to figure out what's happening with the machine ... :-/ > > CU, > Gg > > P.S. *ANY* help is appreciated! > > All indications are that it's the startup capacitors in the power supply. But Georg, you like me will have a hell of a time finding a replacement. I'm about to try finding a local fixit to repair... man THAT is a SCARY thought! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: scott@bcog.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Comparison wanted: Black 17" and 21" color monitors Date: 9 Oct 1996 06:15:25 GMT Organization: British Columbia Openstep Group Message-ID: <53fftt$mer@news.bctel.net> References: <539a72$ksj@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: >Hello, > >I might be buying a turbo color and I was wondering if someone who had >worked with both could offer a comparison of the upgraded Sony 17" color >monitor that NEXT was last shipping and the 21" color monitor that was an >option (was the 21" monitor ever upgraded?) > >Many thanks. >-- >John Devlin >Department of Philosophy >The University of Michigan >Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003 The 21" color monitor is the reason I'm still using my Nextstation turbo. If there was only a way to use it with an Intel system......
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Easter Eggs. Date: 9 Oct 1996 08:55:12 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <53fp9h$5jo@www.langen.bull.de> References: <537oeo$lhj@portal.gmu.edu> Cc: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu In <537oeo$lhj@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: > > I just found one (well actually 3) in the CDPlayer in 4.0, I > have yet to confirm it in earlier releases, and since I'd never > seen it, nor seen it mentioned, I figured I'd pass it on. [Cool info deleted] Just checked it. Works in NS 3.3 intel. Thanks! Volker
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: This is SCARY! Date: 9 Oct 1996 08:56:46 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Distribution: world Message-ID: <53fpce$5nm@www.langen.bull.de> References: <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> <52r1ql$saq@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> <53dh9t$hd4@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Cc: grehm@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de In <53dh9t$hd4@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Georg Rehm wrote: > @music.gla.ac.uk wrote: [....] > Michael, don't buy a new battery, it's not worth the money. I have > *exactly* the same problem with a NeXTSTATION (mono) as you. I power > on, nothing happens, only the fan is working. I pull the plug, power > on again and it works just fine. Until now I wasn't able to figure > out what's happening with the machine ... :-/ Some electronics guy recently posted that it's a common problem with switching power supplies. Don't know who it was, though. Try DejaNews. Volker
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Free C compiler Date: 9 Oct 1996 13:22:25 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <53g8uh$b2b@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <53f6f3$dle@transfer.stratus.com> In article <53f6f3$dle@transfer.stratus.com> edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) writes: > Could anyone tell me where to get free binaries C compiler on net, for > NeXT 3.3 on Intel Artheticture. It's for my personal purpose, not for > business. Thanks in advancd. One does not exist. The NEXTSTEP Developer package is required. -- Rex Dieter Computer System Manager Department of Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska Lincoln
From: colinj@math.math.unm.edu (Colin Eric Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,gnu.gcc.help Subject: Failed build for gcc 2.7.2.1 on NeXT Date: 9 Oct 1996 14:08:29 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Distribution: world Message-ID: <53gbkt$5t8@lynx.unm.edu> I'm working on building gcc 2.7.2.1 on a NeXT running OpenStep (NS4.0). The first part of the build seems to be working fine (make LANGUAGES=c). The make stage1 portion works as well, or appears to. When I start the next part of the build: make CC="stage1/xgcc -Bstage1/" CFLAGS="-g -O2" the process stops with an sh bus error, has anyone seen this behavior? I had a copy of gcc 2.7.2 on this system that was not working (add gotten munged after a disk crash and two OS upgrades). Any insight would be appreciated. Below is the point in the build where things stop: stage1/xgcc -Bstage1/ -DIN_GCC -g -O2 -o genattr genattr.o rtl.o ` case "obstack.o" in ?*) echo obstack.o ;; esac ` ` case "stage1/xgcc -Bstage1/"@"" in "CC -traditional-cpp"@?*) echo ;; esac ` ` case "" in ?*) echo ;; esac ` ld: warning archive library: stage1/libgcc.a appears after reference to dynamic shared library and will be searched as a dynamic shared library ./genattr config/m68k/m68k.md > tmp-attr.h sh: 9320 Bus error *** Exit 138 Stop. -- "Now my life is better than an ABBA song" - Muriel, "Muriel's Wedding" Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ NeXTMail, MIMEmail, Textmail, send it all, I'm easy.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Free C compiler Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:23:35 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <EmKwBrm00UhBE1iqFK@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <53f6f3$dle@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: <53f6f3$dle@transfer.stratus.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 9-Oct-96 Wanted: Free C compiler by Edward Xu@vos.stratus.co > Could anyone tell me where to get free binaries C compiler on net, for > NeXT 3.3 on Intel Artheticture. It's for my personal purpose, not for > business. Thanks in advancd. RTFAQ. People have compiled gcc for the various architectures and you could find the binaries on any of the standard NeXT FTP sites. However, unless you've paid for and installed NEXTSTEP/Developer, you won't be able to do anything, since you need NeXT's header files and libraries. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: grehm@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (Georg Rehm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: This is SCARY! Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:03:10 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <53g0pe$b02@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <52dqjo$2ku@jaring.my> <52r1ql$saq@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> <53dh9t$hd4@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> <53fppd$jdb@jaring.my> Michael Olan (michael@rumah.pc.my) wrote: > All indications are that it's the startup capacitors in the power supply. But > Georg, you like me will have a hell of a time finding a replacement. I'm > about to try finding a local fixit to repair... man THAT is a SCARY thought! Michael, there's one more thing that I forgot to mention: every now and then (i.e. once or twice or day) I get unexpected kernel panics. I don't know if this is the same or another hardware (or software?) bug. Did you experience the same with your machine? CU, Gg -- Georg Rehm - Wuestenstrasse 33 - 49080 Osnabrueck - Tel: +49 541 9827762 RFC 822: georg@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de georg@ge.org (NeXTMail / MIME ok)
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From: kafkouli@fiu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Looking for Virtuoso, Tailor Pro & Virtspace Date: 10 Oct 1996 13:37:22 GMT Organization: Florida International University Message-ID: <53iu6i$if3@isis.fiu.edu> Hello Friends Who sells Virtuoso, Tailor Pro & Virtspace? Where can a find a demo? Do they have versions for Intel? Thanks George Kafkoulis
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From: YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Looking for Virtuoso, Tailor Pro & Virtspace Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:17:59 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <325D3DB2.29BA@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <53iu6i$if3@isis.fiu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kafkouli@fiu.edu wrote: > > Hello Friends > Who sells Virtuoso, Tailor Pro & Virtspace? > Where can a find a demo? > Do they have versions for Intel? > Thanks > George Kafkoulis >Who sells Virtuoso, Tailor Pro & Virtspace? >Where can a find a demo? Virtuoso: Altsys is gone, but someone has Virtuoso 2.0 and I have a Virtuoso 2.0K(Korean version). Tailor Pro: Please contact following info. Email: tailor@firstclass.be FirstClass NV Technologiepark-Zwijnaarde 3 Zwijnaarde, B-9052 Belgium +32 9 241 57 05 +32 9 245 03 04 (fax) or http://www.csn.net/NEXTSTEP/Products/Tailor.htmld/index.html Virtspace: info@nyro.com 415 664-1170415 664-5530 Fax NYRO Technix, Inc. But I don't know They will alive. >Do they have versions for Intel? Yes YoungHoon Kil. From South Korea. ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP & BeBox WORLD)
From: heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: This is SCARY! Date: 10 Oct 1996 18:44:36 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <53jg6k$qjm@lancelot.camelot.de> References: <53g0pe$b02@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <53g0pe$b02@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> grehm@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (Georg Rehm) writes: > Michael Olan (michael@rumah.pc.my) wrote: > > All indications are that it's the startup capacitors in the power supply. But > > Georg, you like me will have a hell of a time finding a replacement. I'm > > about to try finding a local fixit to repair... man THAT is a SCARY thought! > If you are looking for pointers for repair/new/selfmade power supplies, look at: http://www.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~heller/NeXT/power_supply.html ..however, I am not sure that this is really pointing towards the power supply. after all, the fan is also powered by it, so it seems to work fine after you press power-on, only the logic on the main board does not perform the reset. Now there is one line from the power supply to the main board that supplys a power-on reset signal. My suggestion is that this signal may be bad, or the line broken, or whatever. On the above page is a simple reset circuitry to generate a reset impuls suitable for the NeXT. You milage may vary. Good luck in any case! Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
From: schapman@geop.ubc.ca (Scott Chapman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT FAQ's Date: 10 Oct 1996 22:22:38 GMT Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC Distribution: world Message-ID: <53jsve$h11@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961007165253.23499B-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Summary: help Hello, I have an old NeXT slab, and I'm wondering about putting some more memory in it, running Mathematica 3.0, and taking it home from work to use. Currently I've just been using it as an X-terminal plus a few NeXT applications, so I'm kind of out-of-it with regards to the current NeXT situation. Are there any web tools such as Netscape and Eudora available for the NeXT? Is it possible to upgrade the memory of a slab and if so how? Thanks Scott Chapman (please reply by email)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Easter Eggs. Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <Dz0G1C.8Dy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:27:12 GMT References: <537oeo$lhj@portal.gmu.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <537oeo$lhj@portal.gmu.edu>, Tim <tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu> wrote: > >I just found one (well actually 3) in the CDPlayer in 4.0, I >have yet to confirm it in earlier releases, and since I'd never >seen it, nor seen it mentioned, I figured I'd pass it on. > It's in at least 3.2, and possibly earlier. I found it when I loaded CDPlayer's nib file into IB. Guess I was bored that day... -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk (Ken Turner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Key equivalent to launch LaTeX from Edit? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:00:07 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Message-ID: <961010160007.9306AAFCY.kjt@copper> References: <52oncf$ppj@news.u-strasbg.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, you can get at LaTeX from the Edit Services menu. Alternatively you could add your own thing to ~/.pipedict. Ken Turner (kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk)
From: Roberto Fabbretti 27231 <fabbretti-roberto@diogenes.huge.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Java enabled browser for Next Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:30:39 +0200 Organization: University of Geneva Message-ID: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am considering the development of internet applications based on Next products using Java (evtl. JavaScript) but I found no reference about a Java enabled Browser for Next (Intel or Black). OmniWeb seems not to be able to interpret Java. Am I missing something. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Roberto Fabbretti fabbretti-roberto@diogenes.hcuge.ch| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Java enabled browser for Next Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:05:14 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961011100417.23844C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Roberto Fabbretti 27231 wrote: > Java enabled Browser for Next (Intel or Black). OmniWeb seems not to be > able to interpret Java. Am I missing something. > No. :( This lack of technology will probably stop the NeXTworld one day... Greetings, Bernhard.
From: colinj@math.math.unm.edu (Colin Eric Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: putting a floppy drive in a cube Date: 12 Oct 1996 15:34:45 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Distribution: world Message-ID: <53odql$ko6@lynx.unm.edu> I just got a hold of a floppy drive that works great in my cube. At the moment it isn't actually mounted in the cube. I check the FAQ and could find mention of room for a floppy drive but not pointers on how to actually physically mount it in the cube case. I thought that I had seen something about mounting kits at some of the WWW site, sadly those don't seem to be up this morning. If anyone has suggestions as to how I might make the floppy drive a permanent resident of my cube I would love to hear about it. If there is hardware that I need to buy I'm more then happy for the pointers. There's plenty of room in the cube. -- "Now my life is better than an ABBA song" - Muriel, "Muriel's Wedding" Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ NeXTMail, MIMEmail, Textmail, send it all, I'm easy.
From: scollarw@cadvision.com (guzzibill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WWW survey. Stand up & be counted Date: 12 Oct 1996 16:49:13 GMT Organization: CADVision Development Corp. Message-ID: <53oi69$3gdo@elmo.cadvision.com> I "lurk" this group regularly. Here's something applicable to all "Netizens". Check out the URL below with your favourite Web Browser. This year it is Java-enhanced, but for those like me "without" that capability, there are "regular" pages as well. www-survey.cc.gatech.edu results freely available to all. -- Bill Scollard - Scollard Holdings Ltd. Computer Systems : Cradle-to-Grave Calgary, Alberta, Canada
From: dwy@mcny.com (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Java enabled browser for Next Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 13 Oct 1996 00:07:02 GMT Organization: Media Connection of New York, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <53pbr6$icg@alice.walrus.com> References: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> <Pine.HPP.3.95.961011100417.23844C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Bernhard Scholz (scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) wrote: : No. :( : This lack of technology will probably stop the NeXTworld one day... : Greetings, I don't think jack of Java will stop the NeXTworld, as it were. NeXT Marketing will stop the NeXTworld. -- # david young: network engineer+oop developer # net: dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok) web: http://www.ace.net/ # vox: 212.686.3845 201.798.5217 fax: 212.686.3845
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract Subject: NEXTSTEP/Contract/Long term/Va Date: 11 Oct 1996 19:50:31 GMT Organization: Altopia Corp. - Affordable Usenet Access - http://www.alt.net Message-ID: <53m8e7$8ef@tofu.alt.net> Organization: Norden 1 Communications Summary: Keywords: Programmer/analyst NEXTSTEP Objective C EOF--------A plus Commercial experience Virginia Must Be-----US Citizen or Greencard To Be Considered---Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: andydunn@op.net (Andy Dunn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Java enabled browser for Next Date: 11 Oct 1996 22:34:53 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Distribution: world Message-ID: <53mi2d$6bk@picasso.op.net> References: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> <Pine.HPP.3.95.961011100417.23844C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Cc: scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de > On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Roberto Fabbretti 27231 wrote: > > > Java enabled Browser for Next (Intel or Black). OmniWeb seems not to be > > able to interpret Java. Am I missing something. > > > > Try Netsurfer. http://www.netsurfer.com
From: rencsok@channelu.com (Randy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: putting a floppy drive in a cube Date: 13 Oct 1996 03:21:38 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <53pn82$u8u@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <53odql$ko6@lynx.unm.edu> Cc: colinj@math.math.unm.edu In <53odql$ko6@lynx.unm.edu> Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > I just got a hold of a floppy drive that works great in my cube. At > the moment it isn't actually mounted in the cube. I check the FAQ and > could find mention of room for a floppy drive but not pointers on how > to actually physically mount it in the cube case. I thought that I had > seen something about mounting kits at some of the WWW site, sadly > those don't seem to be up this morning. > > If anyone has suggestions as to how I might make the floppy drive a > permanent resident of my cube I would love to hear about it. If there > is hardware that I need to buy I'm more then happy for the pointers. > There's plenty of room in the cube. Well on cubes that have faceplates for floppies the slot is in the 3rd 'ripple' from the top. In the case one can use any sort of 5 1/4 - 3 1/2 mounting bracket adapters to mount the drive. You might have to be a little creative to get the floppy to actually match where the hole is in the faceplate (if you have one), but it works fine.. A couple of points: If you have a old 030 power supply that only has holes to mount 2 5 1/4 FH devices your going to have to drill holes. If you don't have a hole in the faceplate your either going to have to find a replacement (they are rare BTW), or cut one (It takes time and skill but I've done it). That's about it.. Good luck PS. There is a mounting bracket that is basically a piece of sheet metal bent into a |_____| shape the drive fits like this | HHHH | ------------------ I'm not sure where you'll be able to find those.. Try the various resellers Pixelated, Shannon Edwards, perhaps Sam Goldberger..
From: colinj@math.math.unm.edu (Colin Eric Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: putting a floppy drive in a cube Date: 13 Oct 1996 04:33:31 GMT Organization: Dept. of Math & Stat, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Distribution: world Message-ID: <53prer$sbg@lynx.unm.edu> References: <53odql$ko6@lynx.unm.edu> <53pn82$u8u@msunews.cl.msu.edu> So the floppy drive that I have is one that was formerly housed in a slab. Since I have the 040 board I don't need seperate power. There is a slot on my cube's faceplate that is the size of another optical drive (I already have one). Is (was) there another faceplate with a floppy sized opening in it? -- "Now my life is better than an ABBA song" - Muriel, "Muriel's Wedding" Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ NeXTMail, MIMEmail, Textmail, send it all, I'm easy.
From: heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SOLVED: can no longer mount DOS CDs! Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:01:32 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <53q7ks$mu1@lancelot.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to everyone who helped me. The important hint was that the CDROM filesystem mounts a DOS CDROM, not the DOS filesystem. Therefore I looked there and found that the set-UID bit had been reset on /usr/filesystems/CDROM.fs/CDROM.util After correcting this, I can once again read DOS CDROMs :-) Thanks again to everyone who sent me their /etc/mtab !! Bye, Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printers on black h/w Date: 13 Oct 1996 15:58:22 GMT Organization: Personal Message-ID: <53r3iu$3ci@rumah.pc.my> A while ago, I asked about ways to connect non-Next printers to a slab. One response was particularly helpful. The suggestion was to use a serial-to-parallel converter. Well, I finally tried it, and it does work. I am happily using an HP 5L on a slab, driven by JetPilot (will try using Ghostscript soon). -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Java in NetSurfer or OmniWeb any time soon? WAS:Re: Java enabled browser for Next Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 20:20:23 -0500 Organization: Illinois State University- Instructional Technology Services Message-ID: <32619550.2D53@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> <Pine.HPP.3.95.961011100417.23844C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <53mi2d$6bk@picasso.op.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: info@netsurfer.com, info@omnigroup.com Any chance of seeing Java in NetSurfer or OmniWeb any time soon? A possibility would be for Omni and Netsurfer to colaborate to bring Java to the NeXT platform! This is the era of cooperation! ;) Thanks! -Eric Andy Dunn wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Roberto Fabbretti 27231 wrote: > > > > > Java enabled Browser for Next (Intel or Black). OmniWeb seems not to be > > > able to interpret Java. Am I missing something. > > > > Try Netsurfer. > > http://www.netsurfer.com -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ytalk:eadubie@138.87.201.11 Instructional Technology Services- Illinois State University "Intelligence is the ultimate aphrodisiac." - Dr. Timothy Leary ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: Greg Davis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mime to JPEG? Date: 14 Oct 1996 04:57:56 GMT Organization: Shentel Message-ID: <53sh8k$n42@head.globalcom.net> How do I do this folks?
From: Greg Davis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: decoding a MIME email to JPEG? Date: 14 Oct 1996 05:00:35 GMT Organization: Shentel Message-ID: <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> Someone recently sent me a photograph that should be a JPEG file. It was MIME encoded, and Mail app doesn't know what to do with it. Obviously, neither do I. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks Greg gdavis@shentel.net
From: bbum@friday.com (Bill Bumgarner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Java in NetSurfer or OmniWeb any time soon? WAS:Re: Java enabled browser for Next Date: 14 Oct 1996 13:27:08 GMT Organization: Friday Software & Consulting Message-ID: <53tf3c$8pd@chinx10.thoughtport.net> References: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> <Pine.HPP.3.95.961011100417.23844C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <53mi2d$6bk@picasso.op.net> <32619550.2D53@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Cc: eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Actually, there has been a NeXTSTEP oriented Java discussion group for some time-- send email to... next-java-request@friday.com ... to subscribe. Unfortunately, porting Java to NEXTSTEP is extremely difficult-- not the runtime, mind you, that was done a long time ago. It's the AWT that causes all the problems. JDK 1.0.2 sorta kinda works under NEXTSTEP-- the UI is far, far from complete. Long ago, the hooks were placed in Netsurfer to support Java-- other embedded languages have been supported for some time (TipTop's Objective-Perl/Tcl basically 'just works'; as do bundles of dynamically loaded obj-c code). I'm sure that-- with the recently documented 'plug-in' API-- OmniWeb would be capable of a similar level of language integration. Seeing as how NS 3.3 based technology is a dieing environment-- and NS 4.0 is very different, there is a whole slew of new and exciting porting issues. If you have the time to invest in dealing with said issues, please subscribe to the above list. If you are not a programmer or do not have the time to invest in porting issues-- don't bother subscribing; the contents of the list will not interest you [trust me]. If you wish to discuss the wonders of Java under NEXTSTEP-- do so here... it will do more for the community than discussing it on a private list. b.bum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: decoding a MIME email to JPEG? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961014114332.12684B-100000@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:52:34 -0400 References: <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> To: gdavis@shentel.net In-Reply-To: <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg! Fix your RadicalNews "From" line to include your email address! On 14 Oct 1996, it was written: > Date: 14 Oct 1996 05:00:35 GMT > From: Greg Davis > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc > Subject: decoding a MIME email to JPEG? > > Someone recently sent me a photograph that should be a JPEG file. It was > MIME encoded, and Mail app doesn't know what to do with it. Obviously, > neither do I. Can someone enlighten me? If you have 3.3 (if so it should be able to handle MIME), and you can drag the file to your home and open it in ImageViewer or ToyViewer. If you don't, get PINE (3.92 is in ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail it is 4fat and rather large, there is also a NeXT-m68k binary available at the pine site [ftp.cac.washington.edu, in the pine/unix-bin-compressed folder, or something like that] of pine3.95. That should also be able to read the email. Assuming the email message is in your Active.mbox, do this: mkdir ~/mail ln -s ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox ~/mail/active then start pine, go to the 'active' folder, and read the message there (don't delete it or the table_of_contents file will be corrupted and have to be rebuilt, which isn't a big deal but takes time). Then you can "save" the jpg file into your home directory. If you need more help, drop me a line. I do this all the time. I even wrote a script to link all your Mail.app mailboxes to pine-compatible mailboxes. You can get this by sending me a BLANK email with the SUBJECT send-ascii mbox2pine.sh TjL
From: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Needed: List of Scanners that work with PowerScan Date: 14 Oct 1996 23:10:53 GMT Organization: JLC-net, Milford NH Message-ID: <53uh9t$4s4@mozart.jlc.net> Hi All, When my Scan-X HSD scanner died (which I understand had a UMAX architecture) I still have a copy of PowerScan on my Hard Drive. Does anyone know what other scanners work with this software? Thanks very much. Peace, James -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
From: Fame@success.net (Walter Brooke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Make Money Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:15:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3262f368.23729078@nntp.ix.netcom.com> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I used to think this was a huge joke until I tried it - the "turn $5 >> into $50,000" idea. But after awhile I started to realize "This >> either works or it's a complete scam - but I intend to find out." >> >> Guess what? It works! In only three weeks, I've received $1827!! I >> don't know anyone who couldn't use a extra $1800 do you? And there is >> certainly lots more to come for me - up to $55,000!!! >> >> What about you? You can do it with only $5 and 5 postage stamps >> (that's only $6.60 in the USA - hardly what I call a risky investment >> when you consider the rewards). Everyone who tries this will make >> much, much more than that, so what have you got to loose? $5.00 plus >> postage? Big Deal! >> >> Hopefully you can see that this really does work and you'll read on. >> >> Follow this simple, perfectly legal 3 step procedure and you can't go >> wrong; >> >> ===================================================== >> First Step - Type or write your name and address on 5 separate pieces >> of paper with the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a >> $1 bill or money order in each of the pieces of paper, place them in 5 >> envelopes and mail one to each of the following five addresses: >> >> 1- Robert Knowlton >> PO Box 924 >> Concord, NH 03302-0924 >> >> 2- JCL >> 1313 Wake Forest Dr. #125 >> Davis, CA 95616 >> >> 3- RFP >> 9594 1st Ave, NE, #423 >> Seattle, WA 98115 >> >> 4- Bruce Fuller >> 293 Chestnut ST. >> Chillicothe, OH 45601 >> >> 5- Walter Brooke >> 932 Lake Nora South Dr. Apt.C >> Indianapolis, IN 46240 >> USA >> >> Second Step - Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 >> names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc.) and put your name and address >> as number 5 on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or >> simply editing it in a word processor. >> >> Third Step - Now Post your adjusted article to at least 200 Usenet >> news groups (there are over 20,000 of them). >> >> That's it! You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you >> will start receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more >> newsgroups you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may even >> want to rent a P O Box to handle the volume of mail you're likely to >> receive. >> >> If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as "The >> Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your snail mail address is >> correct! >> >> How does this work? >> >> Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies for >> $5. Ok that may not seem like much but read on.... >> >> Each person who sent you $1 also makes - let's say, only 200 >> additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings. >> >> On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at >> number 4. You make $50. >> >> Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3 or >> 10,000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They make 200 >> postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings = 5 000 >> returns at $1 each = $5 000. >> >> Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER >> 1 and you get a return of $50,000 before you name drops off the list. >> AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total >> income in one cycle = $55,500. >> >> And when you drop off the list - simply start over! >> >> Remember, this only costs Five dollars, 5 postage stamps and some >> online time. So what are you waiting for? >> >> You may be thinking "This has been around a while - What happens if >> the scheme is 'played out" and no one sends me any money"? >> >> Big deal! So you lose $5 - but with hundreds of thousands of new >> people joining the internet every day thats hardly likely to happen. >> >> Remember, follow the instructions and play fair - send those 5 >> one-dollar bills (this process is based on honesty not on cheating on >> the initial investment). Perhaps we'll meet on the beach in Hawaii. >> That is what my $1827 is going towards (I'll have to think about what >> to do with the rest of the $$$$ that is coming my way!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Control: cancel <3262f368.23729078@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3262f368.23729078@nntp.ix.netcom.com> From: snowhare@xmission.com Sender: Fame@success.net (Walter Brooke) Date: 15 Oct 96 02:47:45 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.3262f368.23729078@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Spam Cancellation. Original Subject: Make Money A copy of the original message can be found at <URL:http://www.xmission.com/~snowhare/spam/udp/mmf-action3/845347665.89>
From: tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help Configuring GateKeeper on Black Hardware Date: 15 Oct 1996 06:36:50 GMT Organization: Depts. of Physics and Chemistry, Univ. of Washington Message-ID: <53vbe2$p2k@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Greetings. I've successfully used Steve Perkin's PPP package for some time now, logging in to various sites from the command line via chat scripts. Wanted to add GateKeeper to my list of tools, both because of the really cool animations and user interface it offers, and to make connecting to the internet easier for my Mac accustomed girlfriend. Unfortunately, despite what I thought was a certain uh..... "sophistication" with NeXTstep, Unix, etc. I cannot seem to get GateKeeper configured properly. Using "Link" it will not even dial the modem, and using "Dial" it gets through, but then does not establish a proper PPP connection. I already have ppp 2.2 installed, and have to admit that I find the directions for installation somewhat confusing. Could someone who has gotten GateKeeper running under these circumstances (ppp 2.2 already installed, black hardware --- my TurboColor! --- NeXTstep 3.2) give me a hand? I can still PPP in by hand quite nicely, and I can send copies of my options and chat scripts. Thanks in advance. Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Applied Mathematical Sciences 515-294-9779 Ames Laboratory 515-432-9142 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@ameslab.gov Project Coordinator: Undergraduate Computational Engineering and Sciences http://uces.ameslab.gov/
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decoding a MIME email to JPEG? Date: 15 Oct 1996 06:31:06 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <53vb3a$2n5@www.langen.bull.de> References: <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> Cc: Greg Davis In <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> Greg Davis wrote: > Someone recently sent me a photograph that should be a JPEG file. It was > MIME encoded, and Mail app doesn't know what to do with it. Obviously, > neither do I. Can someone enlighten me? Greg - please fix your return address. It is currently just "Greg Davis". To the others: Sorry for posting this, it's rather long. But someone might actually find it useful. To answer your problem: (Actually, NS3.3 *should* handle MIME very well...) Here is a program I once wrote to quickly-and-dirtily convert MIME stuff into a raw file. (It uses a decoding function from some PD MIME mailer I never used, so not all is mine.) Just try it. Copy-and-paste just the raw data from the mail into a file (no header, or ---- MIME... - lines. The program will create a file that has the same filenamebut the extension .raw. You should only need to rename it to .jpeg and open it. Please tell me how it went. Especially if you need the code compiled. #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #define TRUE 1 #define FALSE 0 #define UNUSED -1 #define CODINGTABLESIZE 128 #define DEBUG int errflg; int invertTable (char *table, char *map) { register unsigned int i; for (i = 0; i < CODINGTABLESIZE; i++) map[i] = UNUSED; // if you see a table[i] character, decode it to i // i.e. UU, table[1] is a '!'. So a '!' should decode to 1 for (i = 0; i < CODINGTABLESIZE; i++) if (map[table[i]] != UNUSED) return (table[i]); // table[i] is duplicate else map[table[i]] = i; return (-1); } int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char base64Table[] = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"; char thisMap[256]; // base64 is 4-to-3 decoding with nonexplicit line lengths int numEncoded; int numDecoded; int decodedCount; int startNum; int stop; int i,j; char *outLine; char line[BUFSIZ]; char buf[5]; FILE *fpin, *fpout; char *inputFileName; char outputFileName[256]; int firstLine; int c; extern int optind; extern char *optarg; while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "u6")) != EOF) switch (c) { case 'u': errflg=1; case '6': errflg=1; default: errflg=1; } if (errflg) { fprintf(stderr, "Usage: %s [-u6] filenames\nDecode Base64-encoded files\n", argv[0]); exit(2); } invertTable(base64Table, thisMap); for (; optind < argc; optind++) { startNum = 0; firstLine = TRUE; inputFileName = argv[optind]; sprintf(outputFileName, "%s.raw", inputFileName); if((fpin=fopen((char *)inputFileName,"r")) == NULL) { perror("Input file"); exit(1); } if((fpout=fopen(outputFileName,"w+")) == NULL) { perror("Output file"); exit(1); } fgets(line, BUFSIZ, fpin); numEncoded = strlen (line); decodedCount = 3 * (numEncoded / 4); if((outLine = malloc(decodedCount+5)) == 0) { printf("Cannot allocate %d bytes\n"); return(1); }; while(!feof(fpin)) { if(firstLine) { firstLine = FALSE; } else { fgets(line, BUFSIZ, fpin); } for (i = startNum, numDecoded = 0; numDecoded < decodedCount;) { // Get the next group of four characters // Handle last group of characters in a base64 encoding specially - // padding '=' at end means we have fewer than 24 bits after decoding // Base64 end scenarios: // 'xx==' decodes to 8 bits // 'xxx=' decodes to 16 bits // 'xxxx' decodes to 24 bits // 'x===' can't happen if ((stop = numEncoded - i + 1) < 4) { memset (buf, 0, 4); } else { stop = 4; } for (j = 0; j < stop; j++, i++) { if (line[i] == '=') { buf[j] = 0; j--; break; } else { buf[j] = thisMap[line[i]]; } } outLine[numDecoded++] = buf[0] << 2 | buf[1] >> 4; if (j == 1 || numDecoded == decodedCount) break; outLine[numDecoded++] = buf[1] << 4 | buf[2] >> 2; if (j == 2 || numDecoded == decodedCount) break; outLine[numDecoded++] = buf[2] << 6 | buf[3]; } fwrite(outLine, numDecoded, 1, fpout); } fclose(fpin); free(outLine); }
From: Scott Mewett <mewett@mpr.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can ISDN Extender do full 128KB? Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:44:43 -0700 Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Message-ID: <3262D06B.10A6@mpr.ca> References: <53mgbd$dgr@news.jf.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Scott M. Neal" <sneal@ichips.intel.com> Scott M. Neal wrote: > > If it's possible to make an Extender mimic (as much as > possible) an Ascend Pipeline 25, including the built-in analog phone > jack which utilizes an unused ISDN B-channel for standard telephone > calls, that would make it a very useful product... If not, is > it completely obsolete as an ISDN device, and merely useful as an > automated voice mail messaging system (using the analog jack)? > > Scott Hi Scott I just got one myself. I do not have an ISDN line yet. But since I have one i may be able to answer a few of you question. In the manual (only a few pages) It mentions that the analog jack is only for the ISDN adapters use. If you plug in a normal phone into the analog jack it will not break it, it just won't do anything. As far as I know you can only use the ISDN extender with NS 3.0. The Phone Kit was not included with later releases of the OS. I don't know a lot about programming but from what i understand, something change in 3.1 that rendered the Phone Kit unusable and I guess that NeXT did want to spend the time on redoing the Phone Kit. I posted a question in c.s.n.programmer last week asking if anyone knew what it would take to get it to work.I still haven't gotten any responses. Also from what i have been able to decifer from the General Reference for NS programming there is a command that will decifer touch tones. This would make it great as a voice mail system so that you could navigate through menu's or phone in and check your messages. However this feature is only available if you are using the ISDN connector and not with the analog connector. I did load up NS 3.0 and compiled a sample program called Message Center. It is a really basic program designed to show how simple and powerful the Phone Kit is. It basically is an answering machine. It only allows you to phone in and leave a messages after you here the greeting. You can playback the messages only through the speaker on your NeXT. It also records the date and time of the call. Since I don't have and ISDN line to test it, i don't know what speed it will work at. From what i can find in the phone kit doc's in the programming manuals it might be possible. Although these docs may be talking about ISDN usage in general. If anyone else out there want's to send me there comments and experiences with there own ISDN extender then i will formulate it in to a FAQ. As you said someone did say that they would do one but i haven't seen anything here on the newsgroups about it. So will do it. Scott mewett@planeteer.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Fix for 'dwrites' file from my site Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961015175530.1193B-100000@charisma> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:57:09 -0400 References: <53mgbd$dgr@news.jf.intel.com> <3262D06B.10A6@mpr.ca> To: tolsen@crl.com In-Reply-To: <3262D06B.10A6@mpr.ca> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "Thomas H. Olsen" on Tue, 15 Oct 96 wrote: > > I got the file dwrites.txt from your web site. I've found it most > useful except for one Workspace dwrite which doesn't appear to have > an effect. I've tried it on machines running both 3.2 & 3.3. The > dwrite is for NXCaseSensitiveBrowser. I'm assuming that using > > dwrite Workspace NXCaseSensitiveBrowser YES That's because the dwrite is wrong, it should be: dwrite System NXCaseSensitiveBrowser YES Let me know if that works for you, it did for me. TjL
From: jacob@dannug.dk (Jacob Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decoding a MIME email to JPEG? Date: 15 Oct 1996 16:59:50 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <540fu6$j7@jnext.dannug.dk> References: <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> Cc: gdavis@shentel.net In <53shdj$n42@head.globalcom.net> Greg Davis wrote: > Someone recently sent me a photograph that should be a JPEG file. It was > MIME encoded, and Mail app doesn't know what to do with it. Obviously, > neither do I. Can someone enlighten me? > Later releases of Opener.app can decode MIME attacments; even multipart attachments ! Save the message with the suffix .mime (e.g. message.mime), open in Opener.app and voila. Regards, Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen PGP-keyID: 1F0F3839 Email (NeXT, MIME and SUN) jacob@dannug.dk Maintainer of NEXTSTEP Software Reviews http://www.dannug.dk/jacob & My own home page :-) http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob
From: bright2@ix.netcom.com (Maritza Farquharson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: StarTronix Date: 16 Oct 1996 14:23:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <542r5u$kh7@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> *** StarTronix **** "State of the Art" Technology for today,the year 2000,and Beyond.... Introducing a 21st Century Home-Based Business Opportunity. A combination of the Information Superhighway of today and Technology of tomorrow... Take a look at the<><> StarScreen <><>The Multi functional personal computer.you get: Unlimited Internet Access, Speaker phone and Answering machine, e-mail, home banking,home shopping, bill paying, Internet phone calling, bulletin boards, and more to come in the future, such as video conferencing... for more information on this 21st Century Home Base business Opportunity, E-mail at * tronix5@aol.com *. You must Seize the day.
From: kafkouli@fiu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP users in ATHENS GREECE??? Date: 16 Oct 1996 14:14:39 GMT Organization: Florida International University Message-ID: <542qkf$kq6@isis.fiu.edu> Hello Friends I am looking for a NEXTSTEP User in Athens Greece. Please send me an e-mail in kafkouli@fiu.edu Best Regards George Kafkoulis
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Non-Courier font for MIME mails Date: 16 Oct 1996 18:42:22 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <543aae$que@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Uhmm, in Mail.app 3.3, is there a way to set a smaller, more pleasant default font for standard MIME mails without fance markup stuff ? For some reason, many MIME mails I get show up with Ohlfs 12pt, which is really ugly and hard to read (provided you're used to Ohlfs 10pt ;-) Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: jsmorrison@tasc.com (Jeff S. Morrison) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does a Logical Volume Manager exist? Date: 16 Oct 1996 20:41:04 GMT Organization: TASC Message-ID: <543h90$hge@lois.Read.TASC.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII In OSF there exists a logical volume manager LVM that can be configured to make a series of physical devices, such as hard drives, appear as one big device. Is NeXT/Mach capable of this? Do tools/programs/source exist to do this? Thanks, Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Antigone Mailing Lists Gone For Now Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961016163010.1882A-100000@charisma> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:31:39 -0400 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Antigone Digests status update Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:28:14 -0700 From: Michael Ross <mross@antigone.com> Dear Antigone Digest Subscriber: As you may have noticed, the Antigone Digests have been sporadic in the recent days. We have been experiencing technical difficulties since Antigone Press's recent move, and have been trying to narrow them down, so far unsuccessfully. An unrelated, sporadic, hardware malfunction now seems to be the only reasonable explanation for the current set of problems. Therefore, in the interest of reducing the hardware load in the hopes of tracing our problems, we are placing the Antigone Digests on an undefinite hiatus. Hopefully, we can soon find another host for the lists, one who is also capable of digesting daily Usenet articles. I apologize for this inconvenience to all of you who have come to rely on the daily, punctual stream of information from Antigone. I will keep everyone informed as progress is made. Best regards, Michael Ross Antigone Press mross@antigone.com
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Does a Logical Volume Manager exist? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:00:51 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <gmNMJ3a00UhWI2ZoEn@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <543h90$hge@lois.Read.TASC.COM> In-Reply-To: <543h90$hge@lois.Read.TASC.COM> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 16-Oct-96 Does a Logical Volume Manag.. by Jeff S. Morrison@tasc.co > In OSF there exists a logical volume manager LVM that can be configured to > make a series of physical devices, such as hard drives, appear as one big > device. Is NeXT/Mach capable of this? Do tools/programs/source exist to do > this? I very much wish such tools did exist for {NEXTSTEP,OPENSTEP}/Mach-- unfortuantely, NeXT has never taken much advantage of the terrific operating system that Avie provided them. CMU and other organizations have done much more to provide a stable, well-supported, user-configurable version of Mach than NeXT has. Right now, I expect that the GNUstep project will provide more operating-system level support for Mach than NeXT will. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
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From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Does a Logical Volume Manager exist? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:56:27 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961017115415.20401A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <543h90$hge@lois.Read.TASC.COM> <gmNMJ3a00UhWI2ZoEn@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <gmNMJ3a00UhWI2ZoEn@andrew.cmu.edu> On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Charles William Swiger wrote: > CMU and other organizations have done much more to provide a stable, > well-supported, user-configurable version of Mach than NeXT has. Right > now, I expect that the GNUstep project will provide more > operating-system level support for Mach than NeXT will. You'll get disappointed, but GnuStep has nothing to do with the OS level. It builds on top of it. So the mentioned LVM hast to be implemented in the OS, GnuStep will not do it. As far as I know, only DEC VMS, DEC UNIX and Windows NT support the mentioned LVM strategy. Greetings, Bernhard.
From: neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: ObjectWorld report Date: 17 Oct 1996 11:50:13 GMT Organization: Fachbereich Informatik, TH Darmstadt, Deutschland Message-ID: <5456hl$psj@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Summary: ObjectWorld Expo Keywords: ObjectWorld Expo I've finally found the time to write down a few of my impressions from the ObjectWorld Exhibition, which I was able to attend friday last week. John Landwehr, Next product manager in charge of WebObjects, gave a pretty good talk on WebObjects. There was also a joint NeXT/DART booth, which was pretty much the same as on Cebit. Here's some info you might find interesting: - Upcoming WebObjects builder (code name Tsunami) is a *killer* During his talk, John Landwehr of NeXT demoed the version of the WebObjects builder which will be inluded in the WebObjects 3.0. This is a killer app, its a very excellent piece of software. Good news for NEXTSTEP diehards: it will be available for Mach also. - Java support for WO, but no Java compiler or VM for Mach While NeXT is planning to support Java on Solaris and NT (by using third party Java VMs), they will not build a VM for OPENSTEP/Mach. Well, after all Java is a moving target. - OPENSTEP 4.1 looks good unlike the 4.0 release, OPENSTEP 4.1 seems to be fairly stable on both Mach and Windows NT platforms. At the joint NeXT/DART booth, DART showed an OPENSTEP application which they ported within two days from OPENSTEP/Mach to OPENSTEP/NT. While the port was not completely finished, the result was quite impressive. It also looks as if the OPENSTEP/NT development tool are actually quite usable. - new licensing scheme for WebObjects NeXT stated that with WO3.0, the licensing system will change somewhat, although they did not make it completely clear how. It seems that some EOF functionality will be bundled with Pro, but the runtime will only support one application per machine. I am not sure how this will affect non-EOF applications that run under WebObjects Pro - an important question for developers. It seems that NeXT may also be about to rethink the costs of the WO/Pro runtime license. Let's keep our fingers crossed. - Support for OPENSTEP/Mach while NeXT states that support for OS/Mach will continue as long as there is demand, they clearly position themselves in a different market segment now. Personally, I doubt that we will see many new features in upcoming releases. NeXT seems to focus on WebObjects, and I expect to see interesting Java based developments here. This might be related to the Netscape ONE and the Netcode Components. Netcode was founded in 1995 by Jayson Adams and Scott Love to design, build and market powerful integrated object libraries and development tools for Java programmers. Does the name ring a bell? ;-) - Upgrade path for OPENSTEP 4.0 owners It seems that there will definitely be an inexpensive upgrade path to 4.1 for those who bought an OS 4.0 license. It was not stated explicitely whether this includes owners of the academic bundles, but my personal gut feeling is that it will. Later, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "I ride tandem with a random.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract Subject: NEXTSTEP/Contract/Immediate Date: 17 Oct 1996 13:22:35 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <545bur$ajt@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP Objective C Contract---Long term Area-------Virginia EOF--------A plus Must Be----US Citizen or Greencard To Be Considered---Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: frontier@fii.com Date: 17 Oct 1996 10:02:11 EDT Control: cancel <543pij$cok@news05.deltanet.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <543pij$cok@news05.deltanet.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.543pij$cok@news05.deltanet.com> Spam/MMF cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was 2Mx32 60ns $34.00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: little script: test for dialtone Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961017110720.4013A-100000@charisma> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:22:51 -0400 To: PPP for NS Mailing List <nextppp@chinx1.thoughtport.com> cc: Art Isbell <aisbell@ix.netcom.com> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have made a little script which will test for a dialtone and exit. If the dialtone is there, it does nothing. If there is no dialtone, it runs a program. It is fairly simple, but requires 'expect' which you can get from: ftp://ftp.cme.nist.gov/pub/subject/expect and Tcl 7.4 (for expect version 5.19) or 7.5 (for expect version 5.20). I got version 5.19 and Tcl 7.4 to compile pretty easily on my NeXT. Anyway, if you don't have expect, I'd suggest it, there are a lot of neat things you can do with it. My script is this: #!/usr/local/bin/expect -f set timeout 10 set break \x135 spawn kermit.sh expect "KERMIT at charisma> " send connect\r expect "other options." send atdt\r expect { "NO DIALTONE" { exec /usr/local/bin/nodialtone.sh } { exec nothing } } That's it! Now, I have to explain a few things. "spawn kermit.sh" tells it to run a script which runs kermit (which was at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/binaries/comm/kermit/kermit-5A-190.NIHS.tar.gz last time I looked) "KERMIT at charisma> " is MY kermit prompt. Yours is going to be different, so change this to whatever yours is when you start kermit (I'm assuming you have a .kermrc which sets kermit up already). "exec /usr/local/bin/nodialtone.sh" is the script I want to run when no dialtone is found. It looks like this: #!/bin/sh /bin/echo "No Dialtone found" >/dev/console exit 0 Mine does some other stuff which probably wouldn't interest anyone. So anyway, I don't know if this will help anyone or be of interest to anyone, but there it is. TjL
From: "Joshua Kerr" <joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: My Nextstation won't boot! How do I get to a command prompt? Date: 17 Oct 1996 19:25:16 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <01bba4cd$8b2e5120$7efe5380@ginger> I made a change to my hostmanger and now my nextstation on boot up hangs during automount. How do I get to a command prompt to fix it? Josh -- ___________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." -Steven Wright
From: "Chris Trimble" <trimble@walrus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 18 Oct 1996 02:47:46 GMT Organization: I am the walrus Message-ID: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all at NeXT: Most great applications don't start in the annals of consulting work or corporate development. As you know, they often start at colleges -- and I think marketing to academia is still a great idea. But they also start at home... some guy with a bright idea hacking away late at night. Most of the great Mac applications have started exactly this way. The only thing holding NeXT back from getting those kind of developers and homegrown killer apps is price. I just checked the price for the OpenSTEP/Mach developer license at Optimal Object -- it's $5K. The OS wars are NOT over; people still deserve better than NT 4.0. With a reasonably priced user license and by pricing its development tools like Delphi and Powerbuilder, with single user development being $300-$400, NeXT can break the home market wide open for its OS _and_ still gain in the enterprise development market. If NeXT brings home its development kit and OS, I think the range of apps that came out within a year would be frighteningly expansive. Right now, the only alternative OS is MacOS -- it will soon probably be BeOS; unless NeXT steps in, at-home developers and users will be building bridges to the 21st Century on top of second-class OSes. - Chris
From: rwakeman@thoughtport.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing OpenStep 4 on a 200 Mhz intel with NT4 Date: 18 Oct 1996 02:23:34 GMT Organization: The ThoughtPort Authority, Inc. Message-ID: <546pn6$1e9@chinx10.thoughtport.net> Has anybody installed OpenStep 4. on a 200mhz intel with NT4.0, via cd rom drive? From NextAnswers, it seems that it's easier in a pc with win95. If you have had success, please send me the step by step procedure. My machine can't read the cd disk. I'm one of those people who's used to black hardware just working. Thanks, Robert Wakeman rwakeman@thoughtport.com r: uucp@nice.ethz.ch Originator: news@nowhere.ethz.ch In article <Pine.NXT.3.95.961017110720.4013A-100000@charisma> "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> writes: > I have made a little script which will test for a dialtone and exit. /usr/local/ppp/bin/chat TIMEOUT 10 "" atdt "NO DIALTONE" </dev/cufb >/dev/cufb && echo no dialtone this seems easier (especially if you have already the ppp software installed) :-) Try to avoid tcl and expect if you can, at least I do... christian -- Christian Limpach, CS-Student @ ETH Zurich, Switzerland. http://nice.ethz.ch/~chris --- System-Administration VIS/NiCE member of the managing board of VIS (http://www.vis.inf.ethz.ch/)
From: Force of Nature <ddd@mma.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MAKE MONEY FAAST!!!!! Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:47:16 +0000 Organization: The Internet Ramp Message-ID: <3266B774.3659@mma.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="money.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="money.txt" Taking 5 minutes to read what follows could be one of the best decisions you have ever made. On August 21, 1995, I saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me I could make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5. I thought it was a huge joke. I spoke to my attorney, friends and wife about it, and they all agreed it was some kind of scam. I can't stand scams, because usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me. After rejecting the idea at first, I realized all I had to lose was the $5 in my wallet, and not much else. So, needing more than just $5, I figured what the heck, and gave it a shot. Two weeks later, i began recieving money in the mail! I could not believe it! Soon, hundreds, and then thousands of dollars began to roll in. Within 4 weeks, I had recieved a total of $32,445! It came from everywhere in the world. If you follow the three steps below, there is no reason why the same shouldn't happen to you! This is a legitimate investment opportunity. You invest $5, and you recieve a return on your investment. So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER- PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE. If you are not interested, then don't participate, but please print this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested, so they can take advantage. The procedure is simple: 1) Write your name and address to 5 sheets of paper. If you don't want to put your name just use a nickname but dont forget to write your address. Below that, write the words, "Please add me to your mailing list." Fold $1 note or bank draft or money order in each piece of paper and mail them to the following 5 addresses.: 1. Mike Burek, 2007 Sunny Brook Drive, Austin TX 78723 USA 2. Joseph Foreman, 27 St. Georges Cres 3147 Ashburton, Vic. Australia 3. Rick Berk, 17-7 Pondway, Manorville, NY 11949 USA 4. Arturo Alvarado, 14851 6th Ave. NE, Shoreline, Washington 98155 USA 5. Matt Gilbert, 510 N. Mckinley Rd. Flushing MI, 48433 2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four names up. In other words, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name as the fifth one on the list. you can do this by simply retyping the article or reposting it to other newsgroups with the edited addresses. 3) Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are 17,000, so it shouldn't be hard to find that many. You are now in the mail order investment business, and should start seeing returns within a week or two. Of course, the more newsgroups you post to, the greater your return will be. If you wish to remain anonymous, you may use a psuedonym, but make sure your address is correct. Now, here is why the system works: -Of every 200 posts I made, I recieved 5 responses. Yes, only 5. You make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5. -Each person who sent you $1 now also makes 200 additional postings with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at #4. $50. -Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return 500 people= $500. They make 200 postings each with your name at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1 each=$5000. Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. AND THATS IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total income in one cycle= $55,000. From time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you take the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups, and send out another $5, and put your name at #5, and start posting again. Remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the greater the return. Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5, AND 5 STAMPS, AND 5 ENVELOPES. Anyone can afford $5 for such an effortless investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS. Some people have said to me, "what happens if the scheme is played out and no one sends me any money?" Big Deal, so you lose $5-but what are the chances of that happeneing?? There are millions of internet users, and millions of new net surfers every month. Remember- read the instructions carefully, and play fairly. thats the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep a list of everyone that send you money and alwys keep an eye on the postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. REMEMBER-HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. ENJOY!!!
From: sk68@cornell.edu (Sung Ho Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: My Nextstation won't boot! How do I get to a command prompt? Date: 18 Oct 1996 08:14:20 GMT Organization: Cornell University Sender: sk68@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <sk68-0201040752110001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> References: <01bba4cd$8b2e5120$7efe5380@ginger> Hi, In my cube, you restart the system, and when it finishes "testing system", you press Command ~, and it kicks you in the ROM monitor(right?) and there you can type in the prompt: bsd -s, which gets you in single user mode. Then you can fix your netinfo or nfs database. Sung Ho Kim sk68@cornell.edu In article <01bba4cd$8b2e5120$7efe5380@ginger>, "Joshua Kerr" <joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu> wrote: > I made a change to my hostmanger and now my nextstation on boot up hangs > during automount. How do I get to a command prompt to fix it? > > Josh > -- > > ___________________________________________ > Joshua Kerr joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr > "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, > I was the suspect." -Steven Wright
From: anch@logiball.de (Andreas Christiani) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 18 Oct 1996 08:58:45 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Message-ID: <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> Chris Timble wrote : > To all at NeXT: > > Most great applications don't start in the annals of consulting work or corporate development. As > you know, they often start at colleges -- and I think marketing to academia is still a great idea. But > they also start at home... some guy with a bright idea hacking away late at night. Most of the great > Mac applications have started exactly this way. The only thing holding NeXT back from getting those > kind of developers and homegrown killer apps is price. I just checked the price for the OpenSTEP/Mach > developer license at Optimal Object -- it's $5K. > > The OS wars are NOT over; people still deserve better than NT 4.0. With a reasonably priced user > license and by pricing its development tools like Delphi and Powerbuilder, with single user > development being $300-$400, NeXT can break the home market wide open for its OS _and_ still gain in > the enterprise development market. If NeXT brings home its development kit and OS, I think the range > of apps that came out within a year would be frighteningly expansive. Right now, the only alternative > OS is MacOS -- it will soon probably be BeOS; unless NeXT steps in, at-home developers and users will > be building bridges to the 21st Century on top of second-class OSes. > > - Chris > BIG APPLAUSE !!!!!!! A.C. --- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LogiBall gGmbH * Innovationszentrum Herne * Westring 303 * 44629 Herne Andreas Christiani * christiani@logiball.de * http://www.logiball.de Tel.: 02323 / 925 577 * Fax : 02323 / 925 551 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Java enabled browser for Next Date: 18 Oct 1996 10:48:46 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <547nae$96o@news.asu.edu> References: <325DF79F.41C67EA6@diogenes.huge.ch> <Pine.HPP.3.95.961011100417.23844C-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <53pbr6$icg@alice.walrus.com> Hello David, Would you care to provide specifics about what NeXT, someone, or some entity independent of NeXT ( a consortium of advocates) acting on behalf of the NEXTSTEP community's and the technology might do from a marketing standpoint to change this course? This would all be based on the premise that despite NEXTSTEP 3.3 not having garnered the market share and following everyone who favors it would like or having a zillion developers and software packages, it still has the best user and developer environments on the planet. To make it interesting or should I say challenging, you would only have $10 M USD to work with and would need to deliver a principle and return of $15 M on this investment in the NeXT community within 3 years. Furthermore, you have only six months in which to engineer and produce measurable results of an effective longer-term master plan. A good barometer of just how effective and well your master marketing plan would be in the requisite time frame would be if there were 1-2 million new U.S. based NEXTSTEP end-users were to purchase the software in this period. This is all hypothetically speaking of course for the moment. I would love to hear what type of course, time frame, monetary and human resources you would say it would take to make a significant positive impact. Or do you think the war is lost and there is nothing that can be done barring MS falling over dead or incorporating some major catastrophic bug/virus in Win '95 which wipes out every hard drive and system it is loaded on? Here's a chance for all those who fancy themselves "armchair assassins" and "marketing masterminds" to stage what they believe to be a viable campaign and "coup de grace" which would put the NeXT world and OS environment on a track to evolve as it could have, should have, and still can and not as some Windows or Sun chameleon even though the Trojan Horse approach and idea is not a bad one if only we didn't have to go through the Windoze digression. My belief it that there would be nothing stronger than about 1-5 million new end users of NEXTSTEP 3.3 or so to compel NeXT to do some of the things that many in the community would like to see done. Is this a legitimate marketing challenge and pursuit or simply insane and inane exercise? Regards- David Young (dwy@mcny.com) wrote: : Bernhard Scholz (scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) wrote: : : No. :( : : This lack of technology will probably stop the NeXTworld one day... : : Greetings, : I don't think jack of Java will stop the NeXTworld, as it were. : NeXT Marketing will stop the NeXTworld. : -- : # david young: network engineer+oop developer : # net: dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok) web: http://www.ace.net/ : # vox: 212.686.3845 201.798.5217 fax: 212.686.3845
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 18 Oct 1996 10:46:16 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> Chris Trimble (trimble@walrus.com) wrote: : The OS wars are NOT over; people still deserve better than NT 4.0. With : a reasonably priced user license and by pricing its development tools like : Delphi and Powerbuilder, with single user development being $300-$400, : NeXT can break the home market wide open for its OS _and_ still gain in : the enterprise development market. If NeXT brings home its development : kit and OS, I think the range of apps that came out within a year would be : frighteningly expansive. Right now, the only alternative OS is MacOS -- : it will soon probably be BeOS; unless NeXT steps in, at-home developers : and users will be building bridges to the 21st Century on top of : second-class OSes. Wrong. The first question is if the OS war is really of any interest any more, given the fact that quite a few `home-brew' projects are really cross-OS nowadays, and do not really depend on very specific OS features. The fight is at least one level higher. Then, you didn't mention Unix at all. Correct, all the commercial Unices (at least the PC-based) seem to depart quietly, but there are still (at least in the SOHO area with S=scientific) alternative platforms: FreeBSD, NetBSD, the Hurd, Linux to mention just a few. IMHO, NeXT (and probably most other companies, too), just has no chance to compete with those massive development teams on the OS level, as they have no choice to compete with MS in terms of support on such a diverse platform as Intel-based PCs. Therefore, IMHO it's a strong move by NeXT to stay out of the OS wars (maybe quietly keeping on development of new OS technologies in small teams... Mecca ?), wait for something to settle down, and then, build upon this. Not very avantgardistic, but you can make a life of it. IMHO, their only current advantage is their working OO knowledge. If they succeed in pushing and pulling all those prominent OO streams in the direction of their Object model, they have an market advantage that may help them to install some NeXTish ideas through the backdoor. Anyway, you'll certainly loose the NeXTstep GUI advantage, but then who hasn't noticed the MS is strongly moving towards what NS had a few years ago. So - try to see it with the eyes of NeXT Software Inc, the company - they don't have an OS that can compete with say Linux in terms of hw support or with Win95 in terms of marketing - why then bother with those issues when you can make your money with Fortune500 companies and WO, where you don't have to care about a broad and yet stable hardware support. It has been stated quite a few times: NeXT has no interest in the mass market. The only interesting scenario I could think of (still wondered if this is really so absurd as it sounds) would be if NeXT supported a free implementation of their OpenStep specification on top of -say again- Linux. Telling from the response to the GNUstep project, there's a high degree of interest and respect for NEXTSTEP in this community, and a free -or modestly-priced- implementation might help NeXT to establish the NeXT Object model as a quasi-standard among OO projects - which I hope is their interest. This is the only way I see for NeXT to get into the mass market in a way. Provided this won't happen, we can only hope for GNUstep ;-) and buy Win95. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 18 Oct 1996 11:49:25 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <547qs5$96o@news.asu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> Hello David, Would you care to provide specifics about what NeXT, someone, or some entity independent of NeXT ( a consortium of advocates) acting on behalf of the NEXTSTEP community's and the technology might do from a marketing standpoint to change this course? This would all be based on the premise that despite NEXTSTEP 3.3* not having garnered the market share and following everyone who favors it would like or having a zillion developers and software packages, it still has the best user and developer environments on the planet. To make it interesting or should I say challenging, you would only have $10 M USD to work with and would need to deliver a principle and return of $15 M on this investment in the NeXT community within 3 years. Furthermore, you have only six months in which to engineer and produce measurable results of an effective longer-term master plan. A good barometer of just how effective and well your master marketing plan would be in the requisite time frame would be if there were 1-2 million new U.S. based NEXTSTEP* end-users were to purchase the software in this period. This is all hypothetically speaking of course for the moment. I would love to hear what type of course, time frame, monetary and human resources you would say it would take to make a significant positive impact. Or do you think the war is lost and there is nothing that can be done barring MS falling over dead or incorporating some major catastrophic bug/virus in Win '95 which wipes out every hard drive and system it is loaded on? Here's a chance for all those who fancy themselves "armchair assassins" and "marketing masterminds" to stage what they believe to be a viable campaign and "coup de grace" which would put the NeXT world and OS environment on a track to evolve as it could have, should have, and still can and not as some Windows or Sun chameleon even though the Trojan Horse approach and idea is not a bad one if only we didn't have to go through the Windoze digression. My belief it that there would be nothing stronger than about 1-5 million new end users of NEXTSTEP 3.3* or so to compel NeXT to do some of the things that many in the community would like to see done. Is this a legitimate marketing challenge and pursuit or simply insane and inane exercise? * Or OPENSTEP 4.x for MACH as long as it is an environment which gets back on track with the evolution as it should be and not as some Windoze/Solaris looking chameleon or derivative. At least this is my preference and what I would to continue using. Mecca anyone? Kind Regards- Andreas Christiani (anch@logiball.de) wrote: : Chris Timble wrote : : > To all at NeXT: : > : > Most great applications don't start in the annals of consulting work or corporate development. As : > you know, they often start at colleges -- and I think marketing to academia is still a great idea. But : > they also start at home... some guy with a bright idea hacking away late at night. Most of the great : > Mac applications have started exactly this way. The only thing holding NeXT back from getting those : > kind of developers and homegrown killer apps is price. I just checked the price for the OpenSTEP/Mach : > developer license at Optimal Object -- it's $5K. : > : > The OS wars are NOT over; people still deserve better than NT 4.0. With a reasonably priced user : > license and by pricing its development tools like Delphi and Powerbuilder, with single user : > development being $300-$400, NeXT can break the home market wide open for its OS _and_ still gain in : > the enterprise development market. If NeXT brings home its development kit and OS, I think the range : > of apps that came out within a year would be frighteningly expansive. Right now, the only alternative : > OS is MacOS -- it will soon probably be BeOS; unless NeXT steps in, at-home developers and users will : > be building bridges to the 21st Century on top of second-class OSes. : > : > - Chris : > : BIG APPLAUSE !!!!!!! : A.C. : --- : ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ : LogiBall gGmbH * Innovationszentrum Herne * Westring 303 * 44629 Herne : Andreas Christiani * christiani@logiball.de * http://www.logiball.de : Tel.: 02323 / 925 577 * Fax : 02323 / 925 551 : ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: sk68@cornell.edu (Sung Ho Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 18 Oct 1996 12:20:21 GMT Organization: Cornell University Sender: sk68@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <sk68-0101040021590001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Hi I can't be but a little disappointed by Mr.Hoffleit's comments regarding his views about NeXT and where it should go. First and foremost, I am not a programmer or a fanatic; I'm just a normal user. But what caught my fancy about NeXT and its products was what it stood for in this industry of also-rans. (I consider Linux & BeOS to be in the also-ran department) It took a different approach to computing that will hopefully be rewarded in the annals of computing history. In a market full or market-share mongrels, it tried to produce something that was no-compromise, first-rate and innovative. I don't think anybody can doubt that they did in fact produce something special. I think this is what makes NeXT special. If NeXT had started off with the kind of philosophy Mr. Hoffleit thinks NeXT should take now, I think NeXT as we know it now (albeit its small niche position) would not exist. If in fact NeXT thought in such calculated and market oriented way in the beginning, it would have ended up in the also-ran department of computer history. But in fact it didn't. People can laugh all they want about the market position NeXT is in right now, and they can have their theories about doing this and that with NeXT, but in the end it is a fact that many of the NeXT users have fallen in love with this innovative side of NeXT and not the market oriented side of NeXT. And as Byte magazine once said of NeXT, "NeXTSTEP is probably the most respected software in the planet." Yep. Well, I hope I didn't make too many grammar mistakes. --------------------------- Sung Ho Kim Cornell University sk68@cornell.edu --------------------------- In article <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) wrote: > Chris Trimble (trimble@walrus.com) wrote: > > : The OS wars are NOT over; people still deserve better than NT 4.0. With > : a reasonably priced user license and by pricing its development tools like > : Delphi and Powerbuilder, with single user development being $300-$400, > : NeXT can break the home market wide open for its OS _and_ still gain in > : the enterprise development market. If NeXT brings home its development > : kit and OS, I think the range of apps that came out within a year would be > : frighteningly expansive. Right now, the only alternative OS is MacOS -- > : it will soon probably be BeOS; unless NeXT steps in, at-home developers > : and users will be building bridges to the 21st Century on top of > : second-class OSes. > > Wrong. The first question is if the OS war is really of any interest > any more, given the fact that quite a few `home-brew' projects are > really cross-OS nowadays, and do not really depend on very specific OS > features. The fight is at least one level higher. > > Then, you didn't mention Unix at all. Correct, all the commercial > Unices (at least the PC-based) seem to depart quietly, but there are > still (at least in the SOHO area with S=scientific) alternative > platforms: FreeBSD, NetBSD, the Hurd, Linux to mention just a > few. IMHO, NeXT (and probably most other companies, too), just has no > chance to compete with those massive development teams on the OS > level, as they have no choice to compete with MS in terms of support > on such a diverse platform as Intel-based PCs. > > Therefore, IMHO it's a strong move by NeXT to stay out of the OS wars > (maybe quietly keeping on development of new OS technologies in small > teams... Mecca ?), wait for something to settle down, and then, build > upon this. Not very avantgardistic, but you can make a life of it. > > IMHO, their only current advantage is their working OO knowledge. If > they succeed in pushing and pulling all those prominent OO streams in > the direction of their Object model, they have an market advantage > that may help them to install some NeXTish ideas through the backdoor. > > Anyway, you'll certainly loose the NeXTstep GUI advantage, but then > who hasn't noticed the MS is strongly moving towards what NS had a few > years ago. > > So - try to see it with the eyes of NeXT Software Inc, the company - > they don't have an OS that can compete with say Linux in terms of hw > support or with Win95 in terms of marketing - why then bother with > those issues when you can make your money with Fortune500 companies > and WO, where you don't have to care about a broad and yet stable > hardware support. > > It has been stated quite a few times: NeXT has no interest in the mass > market. The only interesting scenario I could think of (still wondered > if this is really so absurd as it sounds) would be if NeXT supported a > free implementation of their OpenStep specification on top of -say > again- Linux. Telling from the response to the GNUstep project, > there's a high degree of interest and respect for NEXTSTEP in this > community, and a free -or modestly-priced- implementation might help > NeXT to establish the NeXT Object model as a quasi-standard among OO > projects - which I hope is their interest. This is the only way I see > for NeXT to get into the mass market in a way. > > > Provided this won't happen, we can only hope for GNUstep ;-) and buy > Win95. > > Gregor > > > -- > | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | > | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | > | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | > | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: moellney@michi.bota.uni-bonn.de (Michael Moellney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXHosting in OPENSTEP4.x Date: 18 Oct 1996 13:53:45 GMT Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Message-ID: <548259$1934@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Hi! Does anybody know if it is possible to redirect input/output using NXHost option between OS4.x/NT <-> OS4.x/MACH OS4.x/NT <-> OS4.x/Solaris OS4.x/sol <-> 0s4.x/MACH in NextAnswers 2473 you can read: ... New Features in 4.0 (Mach Only) ... NXHosting NXHosting is supported from 3.3 applications to the 4.0 WindowServer. NXHosting from 4.0 to 3.3 is not supported. New Features in 4.0 (Window NT Only) ... NXHosting NXHosting is not supported (inbound or outbound) on Windows NT. " supportted (works, but if not don't blame NeXT???) Frustrating!!!! If true??? Michael
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 18 Oct 1996 17:06:58 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <548dfi$73d@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <sk68-0101040021590001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> Well, I don't know if I should be posting this or not.. In some ways it's good news for the Gnustep people, and in some ways it's bad news for the Nextstep and Openstep people. At Cygnus we had a new GDB developer start this week. He came to us from NeXT. One of the things he said he hopes to do is bring some of the features of NeXT's GDB to other GDB platforms. I asked me why he didn't stay at NeXT, and his response sort of confirmed my worst fears.. "They say they're going to become a 'Web company'. They don't know what that means yet, but that's what they're going to do." Losing GDB people not only spells bad news for the Nextstep/OS-M community, but also for the general Openstep from NeXT community. It looks like they're not just moving away from the OS market, but away from the developers tools market as well. And worst of all, they don't even know what they're moving toward. I guess we'll just have to see what Afterstep and Gnustep will bring us.. This week I've started taking a closer look at netbsd, BSD-lites, and MkLinux. I somehow get the feeling that's where my future lies. It would be nice if we could get some of those large commercial investors in Nextstep to put up money to get NeXT to release the source to their OS, or something.. But I don't see that happening. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ "And, ironically, that's how the founding fathers expected it to work: either the government stays clean, or the people shoot them." -- ttk
From: dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 18 Oct 1996 18:18:45 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <547qs5$96o@news.asu.edu> Cc: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Would you care to provide specifics about what NeXT, ... might do from a > marketing standpoint to change this course? ... > To make it interesting or should I say challenging, you would > only have $10 M USD to work with and would need to deliver a principle > and return of $15 M on this investment in the NeXT community within 3 > years... Here's my shot: Give NeXTstep/OpenStep academic away. NeXT can't be making even $1M from this market, yet doing this would do far more than 10 times as much spent on marketing. How's that for a return on investment? -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep Developer - Anaheim, CA "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie
Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee,comp.org.acm,comp.unix.misc,comp.misc,comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.unix.internals,comp.os.mach,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.sun,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.unixware,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.aix From: toni@usenix.org (Toni Veglia) Subject: USENIX 1997 Annual Technical Conference Message-ID: <DzHLAC.1CH@usenix.org> Organization: USENIX Association Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 19:39:48 GMT USENIX 1997 ANNUAL TECHNICAL CONFERENCE January 6-10, 1997 Anaheim, California Sponsored by the USENIX Association Whether you are a system administrator, developer, programmer, engineer, researcher, or architect, 1996 has been one of the most exciting years in advanced computing. As businesses rush to embrace emerging technologies, and new products are introduced at breakneck speed, you are being charged to"make it happen" and make sure it works. How can you decide which technologies and products are worth your time and money? If it's your job to know, plan to attend the USENIX Annual Technical Conference in Anaheim in January. You can choose from 20 tutorials and 23 papers on state-of-the-art practice. You can attend invited talks, BoFs, and the Vendor Exhibits. Topics will include Java, Intranets, system administration, cryptography, security, privacy, Perl, Sendmail, HTML, World Wide Web Administration, Windows NT and more. The keynote will be James Gosling, creator of Java. If you have always wanted to know more about Linux, but didn't know where to start, there will be a Linux track for developers, including presentations and real-life case studies. **************************************************** Pre-Registration Savings Deadline: November 22, 1996 Hotel Discount Deadline: December 20, 1996 **************************************************** For complete program and registration information: * Visit our Web site, URL: http://www.usenix.org * Send email to the USENIX mailserver at: info@usenix.org Your message should contain the line: send usenix97 conferences The full program will be returned to you * Phone: 714-588-8649 * Fax: 714-588-9706 =============================================================== The USENIX Association brings together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of computing. Its technical conferences are the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems.
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: ObjectWorld report Date: 18 Oct 1996 18:24:36 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <548i14$5t2@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <5456hl$psj@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> neuss@isa.informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM (Christian Neuss) wrote: >- Support for OPENSTEP/Mach > while NeXT states that support for OS/Mach will continue as long > as there is demand, they clearly position themselves in a different > market segment now. Personally, I doubt that we will see many new I recently received the conferences schedule for Paris ObjectWorld expo and the only conference to which NeXT participate is "Java Strategy". They don't appear in any other conference (dev tools and so on...). OPENSTEP is never mentionned (even in conferences to which SUN participate). Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: takis@superior.eng.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Correction: Wanted Edit.app from NS 3.2 Date: 19 Oct 1996 07:39:46 GMT Organization: eNET Inc. - Internet Service Provider Message-ID: <54a0k2$qp0@news2.ee.net> Hi, I am running NS 3.3 (Motorola) and I need a copy of Edit.app from NS 3.2 in order to use it with RBrowser. Could some kind soul e-mail me a copy please if it is not that much of a trouble? Thanks for your response --- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Panagiotis Velissariou _/ _/ The Ohio State University _/ _/ Department of Civil, Graphics & Environmental Engineering _/ _/ E-mail: takis@superior.eng.ohio-state.edu _/ _/ or at : pvelissa@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu _/ _/ (Not yet)HTTP : http://superior.eng.ohio-state.edu/~takis/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: "Chris Trimble" <trimble@walrus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 19 Oct 1996 15:56:04 GMT Organization: I am the walrus Message-ID: <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregor Hoffleit <flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: : Wrong. The first question is if the OS war is really of : any interest any more, given the fact that quite a few : `home-brew' projects are really cross-OS nowadays, : and do not really depend on very specific OS : features. The fight is at least one level higher. Actually, I'd say the fight has moved one level LOWER. Those cross-platform projects you're talking about demonstrate very little platform consistency and typically have weak integration with any one OS. The OS wars are still interesting, and the reason why is because Java or GNU-type portable apps can't not make a dent in the general application development market for some time to come... probably never. They simply do not offer the consistency and features that the users in the world demand. : Then, you didn't mention Unix at all. That's right, I didn't. Wireheads like you and me can deal with UNIX fine, and enjoy it as users because we are technical users. Most people on the planet cannot or don't want to deal with installing and maintaining Linux. One of the main reasons is BECAUSE of its distributed development effort... things get updated so often, that to have the most recent OS means you'll be downloading, compiling and installing megabytes per week. Red Hat and others have made this considerably better, but the problem is still there. Whenever I think about OS things, I think about what a soccer mom would want to use. I cannot imagine a soccer mom trying to link in the proper version of X to use her S3 chipset -- that will not happen in our lifetime, no matter what the Linux pundits think. : IMHO, NeXT (and probably most other companies, too), just has no : chance to compete with those massive development teams on the OS : level, as they have no choice to compete with MS in terms of support : on such a diverse platform as Intel-based PCs. NeXT can get a lot of help from the developer community, as Linux does. Linux is supported almost completely by the developer community, the exceptions being MetroX, Redhat, etc., which is its strength AND a weakpoint. Your typical home user won't know where, when, or how to get updates. But the difference between what's going on on Linux would be that NeXT could be the root of all distribution, making it easier for the soccer moms to get their updates as well. As far as competing with MS goes: yes and no. Most users in the world will probably stick with Windows because they don't know better. If they made these kinds of moves and marketed it well, NeXT would get the mid to high-level users and all sorts of developers in the near future, with long-term potential for moving in on Windows. When the time came around for NeXT to have to start dealing with millions of calls from soccer moms, as MS does, they would by then have the resources to afford it. : Therefore, IMHO it's a strong move by NeXT to stay out of : the OS wars, wait for something to settle down, and then, build : upon this. Not very avantgardistic, but you can make a life of it. I still don't really see any reason for it. In the very short term, I can see NeXT trying to boost revenue as much as they can for the IPO. That explains their doubling the price of NS developer when it became OpenStep. That stuff makes sense, even though it's somewhat, uh, client-unfriendly. After that, however, I can't see any reason not to jump in. WebObjects will only serve NeXT well until someone like MS or Netscape comes out with tools that do the same thing cheaper. I'm sure those two have seen how much NeXT is making off of WebObjects, even in limited sales at exorbitant prices. NeXT's object-oriented design of these things is great and all, but it really doesn't matter much to the bean counters. When the all of the servers are running IIS or SuiteSpot and one of those companies offers a sweet deal for less programmer-friendly tools, WebObjects will be much harder to sell. : So - try to see it with the eyes of NeXT Software Inc, : the company - they don't have an OS that can compete : with say Linux in terms of hw support or with Win95 in : terms of marketing - why then bother with those issues : when you can make your money with Fortune500 companies : and WO, where you don't have to care about a broad and yet stable : hardware support. Because the WO advantage will not last forever. NeXT's OO offers them a huge advantage in a programmer's eyes, but WO's price is, and I finally heard a real figure yesterday, ludicrously high. I'm a programmer, and I can't even fathom paying that much for something like that -- it's cheaper to hire five or six programmers for half a year than to pay the WO startup costs. When Netscape and MS start offering WO-like tools, and they will, the WO advantage will drop considerably in the eyes of all but the programmers (and maybe even them, depending on how well NS and MS do it). As far as the OS goes then: if NeXT is that down on their OS, why don't they sell it? I simply can't believe they're going to sit there and let their OS rot, but from the general response to this message, that seems to be the idea. : The only interesting scenario I could think of (still wondered : if this is really so absurd as it sounds) would be if NeXT : supported a free implementation of their OpenStep : specification on top of -say again- Linux. That certainly would be an interesting scenario. If NeXT then packaged and distributed such a thing, it would be very profitable. Of course, it seems rather silly when they have their own implementation right now. : Telling from the response to the GNUstep project, : there's a high degree of interest and respect for NEXTSTEP : in this community, and a free -or modestly-priced- : implementation might help NeXT to establish the NeXT : Object model as a quasi-standard among OO projects - : which I hope is their interest. This is the only way I see : for NeXT to get into the mass market in a way. You're right, there is a lot of interest; and NeXT is a company that can push out a modestly priced implementation right now -- which is my point. There's a strong grass-roots movement going on right now... I don't quite understand why they should wait until that movement gains a foothold to realize that it's a good market. GNUStep has already shown it will be popular and is within our grasp; why NeXT doesn't capitalize on it boggles my mind and is why I posted the original message. : Provided this won't happen, we can only hope for GNUstep ;-) and buy : Win95. Don't just hope... make it happen. Life's too short to wait. - Chris Setting up GNUstep stuff on his machine as he writes
From: takis@superior.eng.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted Edit.app frm NS 3.3 Date: 19 Oct 1996 07:27:19 GMT Organization: eNET Inc. - Internet Service Provider Message-ID: <549vso$q9b@news2.ee.net> Hi, I am running NS 3.3 (Motorola) and I need a copy of Edit.app from NS 3.3 in order to use it with RBrowser. Could some kind soul e-mail me a copy please if it is not that much of a trouble? Thanks for your response -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Panagiotis Velissariou _/ _/ The Ohio State University _/ _/ Department of Civil, Graphics & Environmental Engineering _/ _/ E-mail: takis@superior.eng.ohio-state.edu _/ _/ or at : pvelissa@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu _/ _/ (Not yet)HTTP : http://superior.eng.ohio-state.edu/~takis/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: colinj@math.math.unm.edu (Colin Eric Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cc++ troubles with iostream.h Date: 19 Oct 1996 18:48:45 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Distribution: world Message-ID: <54b7qd$keh@lynx.unm.edu> I've installed NS 4.0 (OS) User/Developer and I'm trying to get my homework done, no I don't want you to do it, for my C++ course. Below is an attempt to make the last project we had due, it worked on an AIX (4.x) system with xlC. The linker complains when it tries to put the final binary together about istream and ostream not being defined symbols. iostream.h has been included and I'm not clear why this is failing. Is there a known problem with C++ and the installed compilers on NS 4.0? Am I doing something outside of proper C++ that xlC will let me get away with? I'm not feeling like I'm being too clear about this problem, if anyone has any insight please let me know. As I said I can get this to compile w/o complaint on an RS6K running AIX/xlC but I'd like to be able to get some homework done at home. A failed attempt at a make follows: thebrain> ls Makefile point.h renderer.C renderer.o rentest.o str.h point.C point.o renderer.h rentest.C str.C str.o thebrain> make clean rm *.o *~ rentest rm: *~ nonexistent rm: rentest nonexistent *** Exit 1 Stop. thebrain> make cc++ -g -c str.C cc++ -g -c point.C cc++ -g -c renderer.C point.C str.o point.o cc: str.o: linker input file unused since linking not done cc: point.o: linker input file unused since linking not done cc++ -g -c rentest.C renderer.o cc: renderer.o: linker input file unused since linking not done cc++ -g rentest.o renderer.o str.o point.o -o rentest ld: Undefined symbols: ostream::operator<<(ostream &(*)(ostream &)) ostream::operator<<(char) cout endl(ostream &) ostream::operator<<(char const *) istream::get(char *, int, char) thebrain> -- "Now my life is better than an ABBA song" - Muriel, "Muriel's Wedding" Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ NeXTMail, MIMEmail, Textmail, send it all, I'm easy.
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:06:42 -0500 Organization: Illinois State University- Instructional Technology Services Message-ID: <32695DED.7A63@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Trimble wrote: > You're right, there is a lot of interest; and NeXT is a company that can > push out a modestly priced implementation right now -- which is my point. > There's a strong grass-roots movement going on right now... I don't quite > understand why they should wait until that movement gains a foothold to > realize that it's a good market. GNUStep has already shown it will be > popular and is within our grasp; why NeXT doesn't capitalize on it > boggles my mind and is why I posted the original message. I challenge anyone to find a SINGLE mention of GNU OPENSTEP (GNUstep) on the NeXT web site. Hmm, one would most definitely think that NeXT would want to mention GNU as a PARTNER for OPENSTEP!!! GNU SHOULD be mentioned right next to SUN. Heck, HP and DEC aren't doing ANYTHING with OPENSTEP yet... Having GNU as a partner is INVALUABLE, why does NeXT seem so blind to this? -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ytalk:eadubie@138.87.201.11 Instructional Technology Services- Illinois State University "Intelligence is the ultimate aphrodisiac." - Dr. Timothy Leary ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Wilkie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 20 Oct 1996 11:06:36 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <54d13s$7cb@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <32695DED.7A63@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Cc: eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu > Having GNU as a partner is INVALUABLE, why does NeXT seem so blind to > this? Umm... Because they are (intentionally) blind to almost anything that will promote their current product? It's not like this being an atari/amiga/acorn/[insert favourite cool, but long dead system here] advocacy newsgroup. Openstep/Mach/Intel is a highly productive, stable and up-to-date platform that would just require maintenance and the occasional addition of new features. And what does the "insanely great" management at NeXT Inc. do? They try to (and sure will) kill Mach, just like it were something to be ashamed of. They want to be a "web company" _instead_. Why not both, for heavens sake? As someone who got to admire the elegance and conceptual clarity of NeXTStep (speaking relative to, say, WinNT) through daily use over the last year or two I can just shake my head in puzzlement. Maybe pig farming is an alternative after all... Just my $0.2E-32 Alexander Wilkie -- e-mail: wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME o.k.) www : http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~wilkie/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Sidney Lehky <sidney@postman.riken.go.jp> Subject: Nextstep<->Linux file transfers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <326A093B.5BB41C20@postman.riken.go.jp> Sender: news@postman.riken.go.jp (News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: RIKEN Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:12:59 GMT How does one transfer files between the Nextstep and Linux disk partitions of a Nextstep/Linux/Windows NT triple-boot machine? -- Sidney Lehky Institute for Physical and Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama, Japan
From: mpemburn@erols.com (Mark Pemburn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I break an endless reboot? Date: 20 Oct 1996 14:19:07 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <54dccr$d23@boursy.news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I developed a problem recently with my old pizza box NeXTstation (the 68040 processor running NeXTStep 3.0). Apparently I shut the system down improperly (I may have switched off the external hard drive before it was ready). What I get now, after a screen full of other system checks is the following: dev/rsd0a: UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=56576 dev/rsd0a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTANCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY. Reboot failed . . .help! Creating default swafile/: bad dir ino 56604 at offset 0: mangled entry - rebooting The screen clears and it repeats this ad infinitum until I hit the "power" key. I know if I can just break in and run fsck, it should repair the funky file. Nothing I've tried so far (in the way of key combinations) gets me to the prompt to do this. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Mark Pemburn Baltimore.
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 20 Oct 1996 16:08:46 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <54diqe$i2j@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <32695DED.7A63@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> wrote: > I challenge anyone to find a SINGLE mention of GNU OPENSTEP (GNUstep) on > the NeXT web site. Hmm, one would most definitely think that NeXT would > want to mention GNU as a PARTNER for OPENSTEP!!! GNU SHOULD be > mentioned right next to SUN. Heck, HP and DEC aren't doing ANYTHING > with OPENSTEP yet... > > Having GNU as a partner is INVALUABLE, why does NeXT seem so blind to > this? I have no way of knowing, but I assume that NeXT's intended audience for its Web site are commercial enterprises, NeXT's potential customers. Most U.S. commercial enterprises don't consider the Free Software Foundation's products to be of "commercial quality", mostly because nationwide support isn't available (I don't believe Cygnus has offices around the U.S.). So mentioning GNU doesn't carry much, if any weight with commercial enterprises. This may not be justifiable, but it is reality at this time. Many vendors package GNU utilities with their products, but the companies that buy them usually don't even know that GNU utilities are included. The vendor provides the support in these cases. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 20 Oct 1996 16:24:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <54djno$i2j@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <32695DED.7A63@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <54d13s$7cb@news.tuwien.ac.at> wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Wilkie) wrote: > It's not like this being an atari/amiga/acorn/[insert favourite cool, but > long dead system here] advocacy newsgroup. Openstep/Mach/Intel is a highly > productive, stable and up-to-date platform that would just require > maintenance and the occasional addition of new features. This is certainly true, but capitalism isn't fair. The best product for the lowest price isn't guaranteed of success. A mediocre product at a very low price with the best marketing is more likely to succeed. NeXT's choice of Mach seems to have been similar to its choice of Motorola CPUs and Objective-C. All were excellent choices when they were made, but none of them has succeeded. BSD UNIX, Mach's personality, is no longer being developed. Microsoft hired the CMU professor who was a principle Mach designer and I'm not sure what is happening with Mach at CMU. Objective-C lost the object-oriented C war to C++. So when all of this is put together, companies just don't want a NEXTSTEP solution because it's too "different" from everything else they have. Finding NS programmers and system administrators is very difficult. NS's UNIX isn't very similar to System V UNIX used by the major UNIX vendors. NS's hardware requirements are very stringent and expensive. > And what does the "insanely great" management at NeXT Inc. do? They try to > (and sure will) kill Mach, just like it were something to be ashamed of. They > want to be a "web company" _instead_. Why not both, for heavens sake? NeXT isn't killing Mach; the marketplace is. Despite having by far the best product in our market, we have been almost totally unsuccessful selling it for one reason only: it's a NS solution. Customers want a Windows solution and will buy inferior, but less expensive Windows solutions over NS :-( > As someone who got to admire the elegance and conceptual clarity of NeXTStep > (speaking relative to, say, WinNT) through daily use over the last year or > two I can just shake my head in puzzlement. I agree, but NT will run the many Windows apps that companies already have. SoftPC just isn't an acceptable solution. NS is a special-purpose solution, and most companies won't buy a solution that requires dedicated hardare and its own OS for which few products are available. Maybe pig farming is an > alternative after all... Working with NT feels similar :-) -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Re: How do I break an endless reboot? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961020130059.4430A-100000@charisma> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 13:10:36 -0400 References: <54dccr$d23@boursy.news.erols.com> To: Mark Pemburn <mpemburn@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <54dccr$d23@boursy.news.erols.com> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII when the boot begins, hold down BOTH command keys and the ~ (over the 7 on the KEYPAD) that will get you to the ROM monitor use this command bsd-s to boot into single user mode. When in single user mode, try running 'df' to see how full the filesystem is. If it is overly full you may over to remove some files to floppy disks. I don't think this is the problem though... I _think_ the problem _may_ be that your HD info is corrupted. This may be beyond repair, but I resist thinking so for now... check to make sure that the folder /private/vm exists (chmod 755) and see if the file 'swapfile' (and possibly 'swapfile.front') exist in that folder. If your filesystem is overly full you may try removing the swapfile (rm swapfile ; touch swapfile). Note: it is generally very bad to remove the swapfile, and you should instantly reboot after doing so. Do this at your own risk, obviously; but given the information you have given that is probably what I would do. Can you boot off the CD-ROM? If so, it might be slightly better/safer to boot off the CD-ROM and run fsck -p /dev/rsd0a to see if that fixes anything. If you can do that, I would suggest it. You might also try to attach your HD to someone else with a NeXT and see if that gives you the opportunity to fix the drive. You're in Baltimore? I'm not sure how far that is from Princeton, NJ (2 hours?) but if nothing works and you want to make the drive up to see if hooking it up to my slab helps, drop me a line. I've got a CD-ROM we can use to boot off of or you can hook your HD to my HD and see what we can do.... TjL On 20 Oct 1996, Mark Pemburn wrote: > Date: 20 Oct 1996 14:19:07 GMT > From: Mark Pemburn <mpemburn@erols.com> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc > Subject: How do I break an endless reboot? > > Hi, > > I developed a problem recently with my old pizza box NeXTstation (the > 68040 processor running NeXTStep 3.0). Apparently I shut the system down > improperly (I may have switched off the external hard drive before it was > ready). What I get now, after a screen full of other system checks is the > following: > > dev/rsd0a: UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=56576 > dev/rsd0a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTANCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY. > Reboot failed . . .help! > Creating default swafile/: bad dir ino 56604 at offset 0: mangled entry > - rebooting > > The screen clears and it repeats this ad infinitum until I hit the "power" key. > > I know if I can just break in and run fsck, it should repair the funky file. > Nothing I've tried so far (in the way of key combinations) gets me to the > prompt to do this. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark Pemburn > Baltimore. > > > >
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I break an endless reboot? Date: 20 Oct 1996 20:08:25 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <54e0rp$1cg@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <54dccr$d23@boursy.news.erols.com> Cc: mpemburn@erols.com In <54dccr$d23@boursy.news.erols.com> Mark Pemburn wrote: > Hi, > > I developed a problem recently with my old pizza box NeXTstation (the > 68040 processor running NeXTStep 3.0). Apparently I shut the system down > improperly (I may have switched off the external hard drive before it was > ready). What I get now, after a screen full of other system checks is the > following: > > dev/rsd0a: UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=56576 > dev/rsd0a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTANCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY. > Reboot failed . . .help! > Creating default swafile/: bad dir ino 56604 at offset 0: mangled entry > - rebooting > > The screen clears and it repeats this ad infinitum until I hit the "power" key. > > I know if I can just break in and run fsck, it should repair the funky file. > Nothing I've tried so far (in the way of key combinations) gets me to the > prompt to do this. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, Command-Command-'~' (in the number block) at boot time to break into the boot monitor, 'b sd -s' to single user boot then run fsck... -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: k_harbour@mail.bogo.co.uk (Karl Harbour) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 00:22:43 GMT Organization: Orbital Computer Consultancy Message-ID: <3272c1ae.38197215@news.plsys.co.uk> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <32695DED.7A63@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <54d13s$7cb@news.tuwien.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Wilkie) wrote: >> Having GNU as a partner is INVALUABLE, why does NeXT seem so blind to >> this? > >Umm... > >Because they are (intentionally) blind to almost anything that will promote >their current product? > >It's not like this being an atari/amiga/acorn/[insert favourite cool, but >long dead system here] advocacy newsgroup. The writing is on the wall, I think. At least Acorn are still making hardware (for Oracle, if nothing else). >Openstep/Mach/Intel is a highly >productive, stable and up-to-date platform that would just require >maintenance and the occasional addition of new features. Stable? In what sense? Until the NeXT round of API changes? Or stable as in robust? In either case, I don't think so. OS/M 4.0 Developer was unforgivably buggy, and should never have been released in the form it was. And I don't just mean the project indexing bug; isn't it about time IB handled bad palettes without crashing, for example? >And what does the "insanely great" management at NeXT Inc. do? They try to >(and sure will) kill Mach, just like it were something to be ashamed of. They >want to be a "web company" _instead_. Why not both, for heavens sake? > NeXT, now the dynamic web company. See: http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_NT/OS_Enterprise.html. Shipping 30th September? If it did ship, let's see it splashed over the _home_ page. If didn't, let's at least see the latest projected shipping date at the above URL. Or is it too hard for the *vendor* of WebObjects to put projected shipping dates into a database and display them on a dynamic web page? >As someone who got to admire the elegance and conceptual clarity of NeXTStep >(speaking relative to, say, WinNT) through daily use over the last year or >two I can just shake my head in puzzlement. Maybe pig farming is an >alternative after all... >
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:19:20 -0500 Organization: Illinois State University- Instructional Technology Services Message-ID: <326B157D.65C0@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <32695DED.7A63@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <54diqe$i2j@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Art Isbell <aisbell@ix.netcom.com> Art Isbell wrote: > I have no way of knowing, but I assume that NeXT's intended audience for > its Web site are commercial enterprises, NeXT's potential customers. Most > U.S. commercial enterprises don't consider the Free Software Foundation's > products to be of "commercial quality", mostly because nationwide support > isn't available (I don't believe Cygnus has offices around the U.S.). So > mentioning GNU doesn't carry much, if any weight with commercial enterprises. > This may not be justifiable, but it is reality at this time. I think it DEFINITELY DOES! It's the truest form of a standard, it's FREE and OPEN if it's GNU!!!! GNUstep is COMMERCIALLY SUPPORTED TODAY FROM NET-COMMUNITY http://www.net-community.com GNUstep is also FREE AND AVAILABLE TODAY in an alpha version from http://www.gnustep.org That says something! So does this from the Net-Community pages: WSC Technologies http://www.wsc.com WSC Technologies is a New York based firm that uses object-oriented tools to build complex financial systems for the banking and brokerage community. 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From: I Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 21 Oct 1996 07:05:58 GMT Organization: University of Texas at Austin (Student) Message-ID: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it degrade the life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I have my screen saver going!) Josh -- _______________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 21 Oct 1996 08:41:02 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-j-31.usc.edu Message-ID: <54fcuu$sjc@usc.edu> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: I In <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I wrote: > Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? > Will it degrade the life expectancy of the computer or the > monitor? (I have my screen saver going!) There are many theories about this. Personally, I keep mine on just about all the time. I do not use a screensaver, just goes to black. From the people at Bell Atlantic, if you have a service contract with them, and possibly depending on what kind of monitor you have, turning it on and off frequently will burn out a fuse. But I'm sure there are divergent opinions about this. Stone Design people told me they keep their machines on all the time except weekends. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k :: NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 21 Oct 1996 09:59:10 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> Hello Steve, Darren, Felipe, & any others who are following or care to contribute: Although Steve makes an interesting suggestions, to give away NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP academic for free, it is a proposal that really ignores the parameters of the marketing challenge as presented. What's more, and rather than head down a path which examines what NeXT and their marketing folks should and shouldn't do, there is an entirely different direction that I would like to see this discussion take. This directions is one which is governed by the following constraints and hopefully will offer some novel insights as to what can actually be done to fortify and radically increase the market presence of NEXTSTEP 3.3 & an OPENSTEP for MACH which is more in-line with the evolution of NEXTSTEP as it should be on course of Mecca and not as some Windoze/Solaris looking chameleon or derivative. Recall that the original marketing challenge was presented as follows: (Excerpt...) Would you care to provide specifics about what NeXT, someone, or some entity independent of NeXT ( a consortium of advocates) acting on behalf of the NEXTSTEP community and the technology might do from a marketing standpoint to change this course? This would all be ased on the premise that despite NEXTSTEP 3.3* not having garnered the market share and following everyone who favors it would like or having a zillion developers and software packages, it still has the best user and developer environments on the planet. To make it interesting or should I say challenging, you would only have USD $10 M to work with and would need to deliver a principle and return of $15 M on this investment in the NeXT community within 3 years. Furthermore, you have only six months in which to egineer and produce measurable results of an effective longer-term master plan. A good barometer of just how effective and well your master marketing plan would be in the requisite time frame would be if there were 1-2 million new U.S. based NEXTSTEP* end-users were to purchase the software in this period. ............ In order to eliminate certain undesired diatribe and stimulate the creative flow for addressing the above exercise by all you marketing masterminds, let's doing the following: 1) Eliminate NeXT Software, Inc. from the equation and any marketing efforts by NeXT in order to accomplish these objectives. Think of this entire operation as something being undertaken by an entity independent of NeXT ( a consortium of advocates) acting on behalf of the NEXTSTEP community and the technology - please don't confuse this with the GNUStep efforts. 2) Key objectives on the list of this Consortium of NEXTSTEP Advocates follow: A. You have only a budget of USD $10 Million to accomplish everything with. B. Must make measurable impact of say 1-2 million new U.S. based end users within six months. In short, the reason for concentrating on suring up U.S. based end users means that foreign users get supported too owing to the increased success. Obviously, and considering the proposal of giving away NEXTSTEP academic, if one were to use all $10 M to buy X-# of academic copies at about $200.00 per copy to give away to qualified folks, this doesn't leave much money to advertise or get the word out. There would also be things like shipping to consider. As this consortium would need to make a deal with NeXT in the first place to purchase a large number of academic copies of the software, it would also need to insure and verify that the software is registered to people in academia. There would be overhead incurred doing this. Anyway, there seem to be a couple of factors or constraints that were overlooked with the academic giveaway. By giving away the software, would you be able to obtain a measurable marketable impact by this within six months and how does one get a $15 M return on this investment in 3 years? In any case, I hope everyone starts to get the idea when I ask about details and for something that is plausible to accomplish the described objective. Thanks To All - Steve Dekorte (dekorte@suite.com) wrote: : devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: : > Would you care to provide specifics about what NeXT, ... might do : from a : > marketing standpoint to change this course? ... : > To make it interesting or should I say challenging, you would : > only have $10 M USD to work with and would need to deliver a principle : > and return of $15 M on this investment in the NeXT community within 3 : > years... : Here's my shot: : Give NeXTstep/OpenStep academic away. : NeXT can't be making even $1M from this market, yet doing this would : do far more than 10 times as much spent on marketing. : How's that for a return on investment? : -- : Steve Dekorte - OpenStep Developer - Anaheim, CA : "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie
From: mpemburn@erols.com (Mark Pemburn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Close to the goal (was: How do I break an endless reboot?) Date: 21 Oct 1996 11:24:27 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <54fmhb$17a@boursy.news.erols.com> References: <54dccr$d23@boursy.news.erols.com> <Pine.NXT.3.95.961020130059.4430A-100000@charisma> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII >On 20 Oct 1996, Mark Pemburn wrote: > >> I developed a problem recently with my old pizza box NeXTstation (the >> 68040 processor running NeXTStep 3.0). Apparently I shut the system down >> improperly (I may have switched off the external hard drive before it was >> ready). What I get now, after a screen full of other system checks is the >> following: >> >> dev/rsd0a: UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=56576 >> dev/rsd0a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTANCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY. >> Reboot failed . . .help! >> Creating default swafile/: bad dir ino 56604 at offset 0: mangled entry >> - rebooting >> >> The screen clears and it repeats this ad infinitum until I hit the "power" key. >> >> I know if I can just break in and run fsck, it should repair the funky file. >> Nothing I've tried so far (in the way of key combinations) gets me to the >> prompt to do this. Any suggestions? >> >> In article <Pine.NXT.3.95.961020130059.4430A-100000@charisma>, luomat@nerc.com says... > >when the boot begins, hold down BOTH command keys and the ~ (over the >7 on the KEYPAD) > >that will get you to the ROM monitor OK! I knew there had to be some really obscure key combination involved. BTW, just the right-hand Command key works as well -- and requires less contortion. > >use this command >bsd-s< to boot into single user mode. > >When in single user mode, try running 'df' to see how full the >filesystem is. If it is overly full you may over to remove some files >to floppy disks. I don't think this is the problem though... > It was oly 56% full. >I _think_ the problem _may_ be that your HD info is corrupted. This >may be beyond repair, but I resist thinking so for now... check to >make sure that the folder /private/vm exists (chmod 755) and see if >the file 'swapfile' (and possibly 'swapfile.front') exist in that >folder. If your filesystem is overly full you may try removing the >swapfile (rm swapfile ; touch swapfile). > I checked: no swapfile. >Note: it is generally very bad to remove the swapfile, and you should >instantly reboot after doing so. Do this at your own risk, obviously; >but given the information you have given that is probably what I would >do. > >Can you boot off the CD-ROM? If so, it might be slightly better/safer >to boot off the CD-ROM and run > >fsck -p /dev/rsd0a > >to see if that fixes anything. If you can do that, I would suggest >it. > I am curious about this -- people talk about "the CD-ROM" as if it is a standard part of the system, but all I have is an internal hard disk, a 3.5" floppy drive and an external SCSI drive. Am I missing some external peripheral? Is the floppy drive really a "floptical"? (If I seem terribly ignorant of NeXT-ese, it is because I got this system many times second-hand and with no docs) This leads me to the next sequence. I ran fsck and cleaned up a lot of files. Apparently some of them were necessary files because when I reboot, the system gets as far as "Reboot complete", then just sits there. I know it is alive because I can telnet to it from my PC and poke around. If I go back to single user mode, I can run "sh /etc/rc" and be in multiuser mode again, along with the # prompt, and use my limited knowledge of Unix to poke around. The new question is, what do I need to do to bring the GUI up again (assuming I haven't trashed important parts of it)? Thanks for all your help -- the response from this group is truly amazing! Mark
From: "Art Taylor" <artt@nobeltec.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Should I buy a black box or go with NS/I? Date: 21 Oct 1996 14:29:48 GMT Organization: Nobeltec Corp. Message-ID: <01bbbf5c$67a3b8e0$297ab6cc@artt1.nobeltec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've decided on acquiring a NeXT, mainly for home-based programming tasks (I work as a Win95/NT developer, but want something I can have more fun with at home). I've had an 030 in the past, but no longer. That is far too slow. :-) I know that even the fastest 040-based boxes made are slower than the Pentium I have at home. However, as this will not be a money-earning production environment, it just needs to be sufficiently speedy to not make me tear my hair out. I won't be doing builds four hours a day. My question, now that you more or less know where I am coming from: Will I be happy with a NeXTStation Color, presumably with a Sony monitor, at around $1000, or will I be better off with acquiring a copy of OS/M at the educational (legitimately, as I am still a student) price? At just what point is the useful/annoyingly slow barrier breached, with respect to clock speed and RAM? How much disk space is needed with newer (>=3.0) revisions of the OS? There are emotional issues to work through (more or less devotion to the visual appeal of the black box, as this would be going in my living room), so those of you who have had to make this difficult decision will know my dilemma. Best regards, -a. -- Art Taylor Nobeltec Corporation 1505 NW Gilman Blvd., Suite 5, Issaquah, WA 98027 USA Vox: 206-391-9131 Fax: 206-391-9131 Email: artt@nobeltec.com Web: http://www.nobeltec.com
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 21 Oct 1996 15:28:06 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <54g4q6$2p@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <sk68-0101040021590001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> Sung Ho Kim (sk68@cornell.edu) wrote: : I can't be but a little disappointed by Mr.Hoffleit's comments regarding : his views about NeXT and where it should go. First and foremost, I am not : a programmer or a fanatic; I'm just a normal user. But what caught my : fancy about NeXT and its products was what it stood for in this industry : of also-rans. (I consider Linux & BeOS to be in the also-ran department) : It took a different approach to computing that will hopefully be rewarded : in the annals of computing history. In a market full or market-share : mongrels, it tried to produce something that was no-compromise, first-rate : and innovative. I don't think anybody can doubt that they did in fact : produce something special. I think this is what makes NeXT special. I wholeheartedly agree. : If NeXT had started off with the kind of philosophy Mr. Hoffleit thinks NeXT : should take now, I think NeXT as we know it now (albeit its small niche : position) would not exist. If in fact NeXT thought in such calculated and : market oriented way in the beginning, it would have ended up in the : also-ran department of computer history. But in fact it didn't. People : can laugh all they want about the market position NeXT is in right now, and : they can have their theories about doing this and that with NeXT, but in : the end it is a fact that many of the NeXT users have fallen in love with : this innovative side of NeXT and not the market oriented side of NeXT. : And as Byte magazine once said of NeXT, : "NeXTSTEP is probably the most respected software in the planet." I could sign up for this, too. Nevertheless, my point was that in the situation we are _now_, it's a strong move to leave the field of OS wars. For such a small company as NeXT is, it's simply not possible to fight Windows on the Intel architecture. There's a small chance for companies like Be and Apple, since they sell software _and_ hardware (if you look carefully, that's what NeXT tried to accomplish with their certified systems corner), and therefore don't have to worry about compatibility with 100's of graphic cards and dozens of SCSI adapters coming out each month. It's just an unfortunate timing: When the black HW was dropped and NSfIP came out, there was a chance to establish NEXTSTEP as big player in the Intel OS SOHO market. It didn't succeed due to a) it's pricing scheme, b) lack of shrink-wrapped apps and c) memory requirements and prices. Nowadays c) is gone, but d) NEXTSTEP on Intel has lost quite a few of of its advantages over Windows (from the user sight), b) is even more visible and a) is what we're discussing. So let's be happy that NeXT is still alive (look at IBM & OS/2), and doing quite well financially, and let's hope that Steve's leaving NeXT for good soon to start the next thing.. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:05:43 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-2110961205430001@news.tiac.net> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <54fcuu$sjc@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <54fcuu$sjc@usc.edu>, reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) wrote: > In <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> "I" wrote: > > Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? > > Will it degrade the life expectancy of the computer or the > > monitor? (I have my screen saver going!) > > There are many theories about this. > > Personally, I keep mine on just about all the time. (snip) Back in the days when monochrome monitors were beginning to fail, someone "in the know" explained that the failure was due to a problem in the cathode, so that it was "ontime" that mattered, and screensavers wouldn't help, although they would prevent burnin of the (then stationary) login window. Furthermore, there were type A and B monitors (as indicated by a suffix on the model number), and these had better cathodes with longer lives. I don't have the info handy, but the type B was the only one with a really long life. So it may be a good idea to turn the earlier models off when not in use. No idea about the color monitors, but I don't believe there's ever been any suggestion of premature failures. Barney
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Should I buy a black box or go with NS/I? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:21:45 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <DzMtCA.6v1@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <01bbbf5c$67a3b8e0$297ab6cc@artt1.nobeltec.com> In article <01bbbf5c$67a3b8e0$297ab6cc@artt1.nobeltec.com> "Art Taylor" <artt@nobeltec.com> writes: > I've decided on acquiring a NeXT, mainly for home-based programming tasks > > Will I be happy with a NeXTStation Color, presumably with a Sony monitor, > at around $1000, or will I be better off with acquiring a copy of OS/M > what point is the useful/annoyingly slow barrier breached, > clock speed and RAM? How much disk space is needed with newer (>=3.0) > revisions of the OS? A Black machine with plenty of RAM is still practical provided you're not looking to do number crunching. An NSColor however is one of the slower machines - especially if they're tight for RAM. On a mono machine 20M is enough for 3.2 - For colour I'd want at least 32. To run 4.0 requries more. You need about 500M disk for the OS. I run on black at home, and rarely find it to be slow. For graphics intensive (but CPU light) stuff it can outperform even a big intel machine. For compiles intel can be 5-10 times faster! However I just like black machines, and am happier with a black machine in front of me (at one point I stoped using a slow Pentium in favour of a fast black box - it was just quicker for REAL use). Another issue is that even today it costs MORE to spec an Intel box up to black standards than it does to pick up a black machine. The monitor alone makes a big hole - add in fast SCSI and ether and things look good for black! The Black machines loose big time in terms of CPU but in every other respect they still compare well. > There are emotional issues to work through (more or less devotion to the > visual appeal of the black box, as this would be going in my living room), > so those of you who have had to make this difficult decision will know my > dilemma. You've already got an intel machine, so (cash allowing) the optimal solution would be both! Work at the back machine, and have the intel box hidden away with a small monitor, rtunning CPUI intensive stuff remotely. This can be cheaper than a big monitor for the intel box! (especially if you're happy to go with mono - these look cooler anyway!) $an
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 21 Oct 1996 18:22:33 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <54gf19$5hl@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <54g4q6$2p@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> In article <54g4q6$2p@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: snip For such a small company as NeXT is, it's simply not possible to >fight Windows on the Intel architecture. Why must one fight for market dominance? You seem to believe that there is room for only one OS player. I for one don't want to see NeXT dump a couple mill into a marketing campaign. On the otherhand wider product distribution could do much more. A couple of feet of shelf space at your local Frye's or CompUSA would probably double sales of NeXTStep in short order while costing very little. There's a small chance for >companies like Be and Apple, since they sell software _and_ hardware Apple is quite likely. Be? Be is so dead the coffin it's in is decaying. I've yet to hear even one good reason to buy a BeBox. Be is just another proprietary OS and hardware. >(if you look carefully, that's what NeXT tried to accomplish with >their certified systems corner), and therefore don't have to worry >about compatibility with 100's of graphic cards and dozens of SCSI >adapters coming out each month. > To have a good OS you don't need to worry about supporting 100's of hardware peripherals. If you support a couple of cards from the big name brands you will be OK (i.e. Diamond, Number Nine, ATI, Matrox). >It's just an unfortunate timing: When the black HW was dropped and >NSfIP came out, there was a chance to establish NEXTSTEP as big player >in the Intel OS SOHO market. It didn't succeed due to a) it's pricing >scheme, b) lack of shrink-wrapped apps and c) memory requirements and >prices. Nowadays c) is gone, but d) NEXTSTEP on Intel has lost quite a >few of of its advantages over Windows (from the user sight), b) is >even more visible and a) is what we're discussing. > Your reasons all have merit, but you missed the biggest reason NS has not sold well. Basically, how many people are going to buy what they've never seen? >So let's be happy that NeXT is still alive (look at IBM & OS/2), and >doing quite well financially, and let's hope that Steve's leaving NeXT >for good soon to start the next thing.. > > Gregor > > >-- >| Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | >| flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | >| (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | >| PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 | -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 21 Oct 1996 18:30:18 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <54gffq$7p7@news.onramp.net> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> Cc: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Obviously, and considering the proposal of giving away NEXTSTEP > academic, if one were to use all $10 M to buy X-# of academic copies at > about $200.00 per copy to give away to qualified folks, this doesn't > leave much money to advertise or get the word out. I'd be interesting in the % of NeXTstep sites that were started by people seeing NeXT marketing info and buying, without having any NeXTheads on site to promote it's use? If this % is as low as I suspect, and most current NeXT sites were seeded with NeXTstepping academics, then the best marketing plan is to give away to academics who have a chance of becoming NeXTstep advocates - in essense, free long-term NeXT reps. I've worked on NeXTstep in the SE, NE and SW and visted NeXT sites across the country and I can tell you that far more copies of NeXTstep were sold via the actions of NeXT advocates than paid NeXT reps or advertising. We can say NeXT has done "everything wrong" to date, but I think there's alot more to it than that. IMO, people are simply scared of things they don't know and unless there's someone there that knows it and pushes it, anything that's not "mainstream" hasn't got a prayer. > ...By giving away the software, > would you be able to obtain a measurable marketable impact by this within > six months... Probably not. I wouldn't recommend it only as part of a long term marketing plan. > how does one get a $15 M return on this investment in 3 years? Wait until they graduate. -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep Developer - Anaheim, CA "Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power." - S. Rushdie
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 21 Oct 1996 21:17:14 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <54gp8q$ha7@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Josh writes > Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it > degrade the life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I > have my screen saver going!) > _______________________________________ > Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu I have my ND going 24hrs a day now for almost 6 years. Last year the screen gave up the ghost, but that's forgivable. I still don't turn the screen (Sony 20se) off over night, just dim it manually all the way down because the display is a bit fuzzy the first 20 or so minutes after power-up. Just have to take the cube apart 2-3 times a year to blow all the CA dust away as it clogs the OD :-) Cheers, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: kris@koehntopp.de (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 21 Oct 1996 16:46:11 GMT Organization: "Generation @", Autorenkollektor zur Fabrikation von Gedankenfertigteilen. Message-ID: <54g9cj$tfm@white.koehntopp.de> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I writes: >Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it degrade the >life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I have my screen saver >going!) My station (Nextstation mono @25 MHz) is now several years old and has never been turned off except for hardware upgrades. I don't even log out, but have Backspace running the AlarmView.BackModule with a password and a timeout of 5 minutes. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "I apologize in advance for [what] seems to be a stupid question but I have a disability. I'm a programmer." -- Richard J. Sexton
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT (m68k) dimming program available at PEAK (was Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously?) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:10:58 -0700 Organization: The NeXT FTP site at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961021180855.5135D-100000@kira> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <54gp8q$ha7@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <54gp8q$ha7@nntp.Stanford.EDU> ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/dim.2.0.N.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/dim.2.0.README I have put the dimming program I use on PEAK in case anyone else might be interested in it. I promise nothing, but I believe it is a better alternative than normal screen savers TjL
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT (m68k) dimming program available at PEAK (was Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously?) Date: 22 Oct 1996 02:57:57 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-g-14.usc.edu Message-ID: <54hd7l$h3h@usc.edu> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <54gp8q$ha7@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961021180855.5135D-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961021180855.5135D-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/dim.2.0.N.b.tar.gz > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/dim.2.0.README > > I have put the dimming program I use on PEAK in case anyone else might be > interested in it. > > I promise nothing, but I believe it is a better alternative than normal > screen savers Of course you do... 8-$) -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k :: NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: Sam Krishna <infinity@nol.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 00:56:17 -0500 Organization: Networks On-Line Message-ID: <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Well, This is interesting.... As a Linux/NT/NeXTSTEP user who gets to play around in all kinds of environments... I would have to say that by far, the best OS I've seen to date is NeXTSTEP. Here's some ideas on marketing it.... >devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > > Hello Steve, Darren, Felipe, & any others who are following or care to > contribute: > > Although Steve makes an interesting suggestions, to give away > NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP academic for free, it is a proposal that really ignores > the parameters of the marketing challenge as presented. What's more, and > rather than head down a path which examines what NeXT and their marketing > folks should and shouldn't do, there is an entirely different direction > that I would like to see this discussion take. This directions is one > which is governed by the following constraints and hopefully will offer > some novel insights as to what can actually be done to fortify and > radically increase the market presence of NEXTSTEP 3.3 & an OPENSTEP for > MACH which is more in-line with the evolution of NEXTSTEP as it should be > on course of Mecca and not as some Windoze/Solaris looking chameleon or > derivative. > > Recall that the original marketing challenge was presented as follows: > > (Excerpt...) > > 1) Eliminate NeXT Software, Inc. from the equation > and any marketing efforts by NeXT in order to accomplish these > objectives. Think of this entire operation as something being undertaken > by an entity independent of NeXT ( a consortium of advocates) acting on > behalf of the NEXTSTEP community and the technology - please don't > confuse this with the GNUStep efforts. > I like this - they are too unreliable anyway... I wouldn't write GNUstep out of the equation just yet, though, but we deal with things the way they are defined, not the way we would like them... > 2) Key objectives on the list of this Consortium > of NEXTSTEP Advocates follow: > > A. You have only a budget of USD > $10 Million to accomplish everything with. > Wow... A US $10M budget! Cool...! 1) The first thing I would start doing with this is raise the visibility of NeXTSTEP in the OO print magazines. Did you know Dr. Dobbs and some of the OO journals don't even mention NS in most (if not all) of their issues? I would start touting NS as everything Smalltalk, the current most-favored-OO-language-of-the-moment, wishes it could be. 2) Start calling on companies with NS development teams to start doing print ad testimonials concerning the power of NS. And start comparing it to everything! I mean EVERYTHING!!!! Hammer the hell out of Visual C++ (that would-be OO pretender from Microsoft). 3) To extend 2) even further, host a honest-to-God head-to-head competition between MS programmers and some crack NS progrmmers (preferably (but is it allowable?) from NeXT. Give them something difficult to implement, like writing an API or something in each team's in housr development tool (MS would use Visual C++; NS programmers would use NS). After the NS team thoroughly kills the MS team, tout it in print ads across the country, including the big papers - New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Los Angelas Times papers (with full page ads). Start capturing mind share.... 4) Offer to buy development licenses for students who are interested in owning a copy of NS. Open up a web site where any student who is interested would have to send an original copy of the purchase receipt for their OPENSTEP or NS product. Then simply buy a developer subscription for $2500 which would come with a developer's license from NeXT. Allow the kids to write their own apps and give them the ability to sell them! 5) Set up mailing list servers and hire development support personnel who have a ton of expereience with NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. Have them answer email and take technical support calls from all kinds of developers. Train them to tell everybody 16 times to go tell a friend about OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP and give a demo. 6) Leep fighting for mindshare in the OO journals. Enter every single possible programming competition imaginable. Even advertise in CMP's technical magazines and Ziff-Davis's publications also. 7) Give John Dvorak a fresh demo of OPENSTEP on C|Net central. 8) Set up a repeat of campus consultants for college students to take advantage of. B. Must make measurable impact of > say 1-2 million new U.S. based end users within six months. In short, > the reason for concentrating on suring up U.S. based end users means that > foreign users get supported too owing to the increased success. > Would that help with goal B? > Obviously, and considering the proposal of giving away NEXTSTEP > academic, if one were to use all $10 M to buy X-# of academic copies at > about $200.00 per copy to give away to qualified folks, this doesn't > leave much money to advertise or get the word out. There would also be > things like shipping to consider. As this consortium would need to make > a deal with NeXT in the first place to purchase a large number of > academic copies of the software, it would also need to insure and verify > that the software is registered to people in academia. There would be > overhead incurred doing this. > Anyway, there seem to be a couple of factors or constraints that > were overlooked with the academic giveaway. By giving away the software, > would you be able to obtain a measurable marketable impact by this within > six months and how does one get a $15 M return on this investment in 3 years? > In any case, I hope everyone starts to get the idea when I ask > about details and for something that is plausible to accomplish the > described objective. > > Thanks To All - Hope this helps.... In the mean time, I'm going to get back to work on GNUstep. Sam Krishna Linux Inside Coming soon - OPENSTEP!
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 22 Oct 1996 05:29:12 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <54hm38$9sl@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <54g9cj$tfm@white.koehntopp.de> kris@koehntopp.de (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: > I writes: > >Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it degrade the > >life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I have my screen saver > >going!) > > My station (Nextstation mono @25 MHz) is now several years old > and has never been turned off except for hardware upgrades. I > don't even log out, but have Backspace running the > AlarmView.BackModule with a password and a timeout of 5 minutes. Just to provide balance and another viewpoint: My Cube has been on almost every day since May, 1990, but it has *never* been left on overnight. The original monitor remains bright and crisp and the original Maxtor 349 MB internal disk still works, although it's getting a bit noisy. Such power cycling probably reduces the life of components somewhat, but the useful lifetime of computer hardware these days probably greatly exceeds the hardware lifetime, so my theory is that the energy saved by powering off a system that does nothing but idle overnight more than compensates for any reduction in lifetime. I am 100% certain that I will save energy by powering off nightly, but doing so will result in a much lower probability of premature hardware failure. But each person's experience says little in a statistical sense... -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Someone should.... Date: 22 Oct 1996 07:05:50 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <54hroe$q5n@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Somone should build next intel boxes that look identical to the black hardware. Maybe they could buy the hardware templates from Next. Stick some cool telecomunications device in it, and I'm sure it would sell better than those wanna be next boxes made by IBM and Panasonic. Josh -- _______________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a way to change the background of Terminal? Date: 22 Oct 1996 07:37:03 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Is there a way to change the background color or font color in terminal? If not, is there another app like Terminal that will allow you to do that? Josh -- _______________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a way to change the background of Terminal? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:40:41 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <DzoAzu.Awz@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu writes: > Is there a way to change the background color or font color in terminal? If > not, is there another app like Terminal that will allow you to do that? Drop a colour chip onto either the forground or background and it changes... $an
From: felix@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Felix Rauch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 22 Oct 1996 11:25:24 GMT Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zuerich, Switzerland Message-ID: <54iav4$1e3@elna.ethz.ch> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I wrote: > Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it degrade the > life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I have my screen saver > going!) For the computer, it should be ok. We have a NeXTstation running all day long for some years now. The only thing that got worse was the monitor (it dimmed), but we could fix that by a 'monitor-doctor'. I don't think a screensaver helps much here. - Felix -- Felix Rauch, CS-Student @ ETH Zurich, Switzerland. internet: felix@nice.ch (NeXT Mail welcome) For pgp public key finger felix.pgp@nice.ethz.ch
From: dcoyle@goanna.mpi-hd.mpg.de (David A. Coyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a way to change the background of Terminal? Date: 22 Oct 1996 11:51:39 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <54icgb$lva@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu writes: > Is there a way to change the background color or font color in terminal? If > not, is there another app like Terminal that will allow you to do that? > > Josh Josh: try this: 1) Open a color panel 2) pick a color 3) drag it onto the terminal window You can also drag onto text, to change the text color, and onto the insertion point. It's *that* easy. Dave
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 22 Oct 1996 12:31:37 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <54ier9$9d4@portal.gmu.edu> References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <54g9cj$tfm@white.koehntopp.de> <54hm38$9sl@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: yes In article <54hm38$9sl@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, Art Isbell <aisbell@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > Just to provide balance and another viewpoint: My Cube has been on >almost every day since May, 1990, but it has *never* been left on overnight. >The original monitor remains bright and crisp and the original Maxtor 349 MB >internal disk still works, although it's getting a bit noisy. > > But each person's experience says little in a statistical sense... To echo in that vein, the machine I am posting from "gravity" has been up and continously running since about 1991. It's been moved a few times, and had to be turned off a few times for drive/os work, but that's pretty much it. In fact, earlier this year/last year, it was up over 290 days without a reboot. (yes that is a correct number). Phenominal uptime has been a characteristic of how it's run. For much of it's lifetime it was on a small UPS that ran out pretty fast, but provided excellent power leveling & surge protection. Still power outages happened frequently. It's since been on UPS/Generator setup in the supercomputer center here, and that's when it's put in the long uninterrupted hours. This is a multi-user machine, is also the NFS server for a number of NeXTstations, and is used by one of the admin's on console for extended periods to work from. In addtion, there's a student lab with the previously mentioned NeXTstations where the hardware has survived fairly gracefully considering the heavy use that they've gotten (and still get). Those machines get rebooted, turned on, turned off, etc. in a totaly random pattern, but are on more than off. The monitors on these machines are all in good condition, and all are still bright. The funny thing is, these boxes are still used pretty seriously by grad students & faculty here to do documentation work & some computation stuff, even though they sit side by side with SGI's and there's a huge lab full of intel stuff running Bill's bletcherous products (Everything from 95 the toy OS, to Not There, to 3.11 (aka "Visual DOS")) downstairs. Part of the point I'm trying to make, aside from the robustness of the hardware, is that it's still quite a good deal for general & specific use. The 040 is a fast chip, Apple is still shipping the puppies in some of it's boxes for god's sake, and the OS is robust as well. And for all the various whining and bitching I hear here about the "sophistication" aspects of the OS, usualy frequently coupled with mention of Unix, people who are "NOT" computer people, i.e. arn't overly literate in any OS/Platform DO pick this up faster and better than they do any Microsoft product. (that's not my bias speaking, it's an observed fact that I'll happly back up) I have to get my mother a machine soon, and I'm either going to get her a Mac, or a NeXT, simply because Intel/PC hardware has too much of a maintenence cost in terms of time & money by comparison, and because both of those are OS's that are Process-Centric, not Application-Centric. (that and she's allready demonstrated that she has an easier time learning NS as opposed to Win). In any case, I would follow the philosophy of just keeping an eye on the brightness of the monitor, but otherwise not worry about turning it off, if your hard drive is internal, you're probably using about as much juice as a bright lightbulb, by comparison to intel stuff it's no drain, and no big deal. What I WOULD do though, is to by a cheap UPS. See, even a cheap one, in the $100-150 range will MAJORLY protect your hardware from problems. I can't reccomend this enough. Couple it with the "upsd" program on the archives, and you have a recipe for trouble free computing. Don't do it, and you risk your hardware bigtime. It's not that NeXT's have crappy power supplies, quite the opposite, they'll happily deal with power inconsistancies that would HOSE an intel box, it's that the grid in general isn't consistant, without factoring in storms, that it's your greatest risk. Tim Scanlon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DznGL4.MAK@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:43:52 GMT References: <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <54f7cm$kek@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, <joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu> wrote: >Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it degrade the >life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I have my screen saver >going!) > I'd say it's a very good idea to keep the *maching* going. Spinning up is the most stressful thing a hard disk can do, so minimising them is generally a good idea. The electronics of the machine will be happy being on all the time, as will the operating system (it can run all those great maintenance scripts and wake you up at 4am. ;-)) However, with mono black hardware the monitor is a concern. If you have a FaderMaster 4000 monitor (the original N4000), then leaving it on all the time could seriously reduce its lifespan. However, N4000As seem to perform well, as do N4000Bs. If the heat, noise, and energy use don't worry you, I'd say do it. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it okay to keep my NextStation on continuously? Date: 22 Oct 1996 12:19:36 GMT Organization: Alcatel/Bell Distribution: world Message-ID: <54ie4o$de7@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <54iav4$1e3@elna.ethz.ch> Felix Rauch writes > I wrote: > > Is it okay to keep my NextStation running continuously? Will it degrade the > > life expectancy of the computer or the monitor? (I have my screen saver > > going!) > > For the computer, it should be ok. We have a NeXTstation running all day > long for some years now. The only thing that got worse was the > monitor (it dimmed), but we could fix that by a 'monitor-doctor'. I > don't think a screensaver helps much here. > How about thinking a bit about the environment, power-comsumption-wise? The 17" color monitors for example take about 150W which is a lot by its own, plus 150 ... 250 W for the computer, depending on the peripherals. So, if the computer is used for 10 hours 250 days a year, the wasted energy (and your and my earth' resources) is about 10 MWh, which is much too much IMHO in a situation where nobody is exactly sure if it really helps the equipment to live longer, and how much. I know, of course, that the energy consumed in production of computer hardware maybe much larger than what you can save be switching it off. So I think the best way to care about your children's future is to buy long-lasting computers (like NeXTstations :-) and turn them off when not using them. Yours, ------------------------ Ralf.Suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de | All opinions are mine.
From: dwy@mcny.com (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Should I buy a black box or go with NS/I? Date: 22 Oct 1996 13:55:10 GMT Organization: Media Connection of New York, Inc. Message-ID: <54ijnu$a6u@alice.walrus.com> References: <01bbbf5c$67a3b8e0$297ab6cc@artt1.nobeltec.com> <DzMtCA.6v1@cam-ani.co.uk> Ian Stephenson (ians@cam-ani.co.uk) wrote: : You've already got an intel machine, so (cash allowing) the optimal : solution would be both! Work at the back machine, and have the intel box : hidden away with a small monitor, rtunning CPUI intensive stuff : remotely. This can be cheaper than a big monitor for the intel box! : (especially if you're happy to go with mono - these look cooler anyway!) The black boxes, especially the mono stations, make really neat living room furniture. $0.02, or less. -- # david young: network engineer+oop developer # net: dwy@mcny.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok) web: http://www.ace.net/ # vox: 212.686.3845 201.798.5217 fax: 212.686.3856
From: skwong@mae.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai-kee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [calendar -] doesn't work Date: 22 Oct 1996 13:49:37 GMT Organization: Engineering Faculty CUHK Message-ID: <54ijdh$adt@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.hk> On my NeXT (NS3.2), its OK to run `calendar' only, but when I try to run `calendar -' , it always replys with /usr/bin/calendar: syntax error at line 1: `^' unexpected no matter I have a calendar file in current directory or not. What's wrong with me ? Thanks in advance. Best Rgds Mr.Sai-Kee Wong
From: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Real Audio Player for OmniWeb? Date: 22 Oct 1996 15:36:18 GMT Organization: JLC-net, Milford NH Message-ID: <54ipli$p4u@mozart.jlc.net> I'm guessing that there isn't one, but does anyone know of a RealAudio player for OmniWeb on NS 3.2? Thanks in advance, Peace, James -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a way to change the background of Terminal? Date: 22 Oct 1996 15:52:51 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <54iqkj$8j8@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <54htiv$15g@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu writes: > Is there a way to change the background color or font color in terminal? > If not, is there another app like Terminal that will allow you to > do that? Terminal.app in NEXTSTEP-3.3 supports this. Stuart.app (shareware, evailable from your nearest friendly NEXTSTEP ftp archive) also allows one to set colors. -- Rex Dieter Computer System Manager Department of Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska Lincoln
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 22 Oct 1996 16:30:26 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <54isr2$47h@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> In-Reply-To: <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> On 10/22/96, Sam Krishna wrote: > 3) To extend 2) even further, host a honest-to-God head-to-head > competition between MS programmers and some crack NS progrmmers > (preferably (but is it allowable?) from NeXT. Give them something > difficult to implement, like writing an API or something in each team's > in housr development tool (MS would use Visual C++; NS programmers would > use NS). After the NS team thoroughly kills the MS team, tout it in > print ads across the country, including the big papers - New York Times, > Wall Street Journal, and Los Angelas Times papers (with full page ads). > Start capturing mind share.... > I've still got my "NeXT vs. Sun: a world of difference" video... :-) Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: need sendmail guru Date: 22 Oct 1996 21:02:11 GMT Organization: Camelot Online Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <54jcoj$f9b@lancelot.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I am on the internet via PPP and I retrieve my mail via POP. Therefore, my e-mail address is different from the usual user@hostname.domain, specifically it is just user@domain. In Mail.app I have set the Reply-to: correctly, but some mailers ignore a Reply-to: line and reply to the (wrong) From: address instead. Therefore I tried to mock with the sendmail.cf file (which comes from sendmail.subsidiary.cf in my case, to modify the From: field to display user@domain instead of user@hostname.domain. In particular I changed rule S6: # special local conversions S6 R$*<@$*.uucp>$* $@$1<@$2.uucp>$3 no change to UUCP hosts R$*<@$+>$* $:$1<@$[$2$]>$3 find canonical hostname # change of following rule to get domain only (no hostname). HH Tx=19961020.22 #R$*<@$*$=m>$* $1<@$2LOCAL>$4 convert local domain R$*<@$*$=m>$* $1<@LOCAL>$4 convert local domain This works fine, if I use /usr/ucb/mail: the From: field now shows the correct e-mail address. However, if I use Mail.app, then the From: field looks like: user%hostname@hostname.domain My questions now are: 1) what is different between Mail.app and /usr/ucb/mail?? 2) at which point does the From: field address translation actually happen (I looked into the /usr/spool/mqueue files and there the address if the sender is still untranslated (in both, the envelope and the data section))? 3) How can I make Mail.app produce the correct From: field? Please answer by e-mail (heller@altoetting.de), if possible, I will summarize if there is any interest in it. Thanks a lot in advance! Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc.com> Subject: Aside: the new Aptiva from IBM -- NeXTstation clone? Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961022220427.1403D-100000@charisma> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:06:22 -0400 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone else seen the new commercial on TV for the IBM aptiva S-series? Doesn't that look remarkably like a NeXTstation? Even the way the monitor stand is designed. Looks pretty cool I must say.... TjL
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 22 Oct 1996 12:52:34 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <54ig2i$n0@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <sk68-0101040021590001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> <54g4q6$2p@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) wrote: > and let's hope that Steve's leaving NeXT > for good soon to start the next thing.. Why do you think we should hope that Steve's leaving? What do you think would happen then? Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 01:26:08 -0500 Organization: Illinois State University- Instructional Technology Services Message-ID: <326DB9B8.7B05@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sam Krishna wrote: > 1) The first thing I would start doing with this is raise the visibility > of NeXTSTEP in the OO print magazines. Did you know Dr. Dobbs and some > of the OO journals don't even mention NS in most (if not all) of their > issues? I would start touting NS as everything Smalltalk, the current > most-favored-OO-language-of-the-moment, wishes it could be. Please check this link out, I think you will find it quite interesting. http://www.batech.com/~dekorte/Objective-C/objc.html Objective-C is billed as AN OBJECT-ORIENTED SUPERSET OF C MODELED AFTER SMALLTALK-80 (for those who haven't seen it) BTW: what does the -80 mean exactly???? -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ytalk:eadubie@138.87.201.11 Instructional Technology Services- Illinois State University "Intelligence is the ultimate aphrodisiac." - Dr. Timothy Leary ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 01:36:24 -0500 Organization: Illinois State University- Instructional Technology Services Message-ID: <326DBC1F.7276@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <sk68-0101040021590001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> <54g4q6$2p@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <54ig2i$n0@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uli Zappe wrote: > flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) wrote: > > and let's hope that Steve's leaving NeXT > > for good soon to start the next thing.. > > Why do you think we should hope that Steve's leaving? What do you think would > happen then? My guess would be that he's going to work for Ne(X)Tscape...Because they're the company that COULD KILL Micro$loth! Nah, actually it'd have to be a new company, given Steve's love of leadership and inovating. He'd be too confined, I believe, in Netscape. What would be the NEXT BIG THING? 4-Dimensional Hyperspace?! It's coming!!! -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ytalk:eadubie@138.87.201.11 Instructional Technology Services- Illinois State University "Intelligence is the ultimate aphrodisiac." - Dr. Timothy Leary ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 23 Oct 1996 09:45:05 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <54kpf1$rpb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> <326DB9B8.7B05@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In-Reply-To: <326DB9B8.7B05@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> On 10/23/96, "Eric A. Dubiel" wrote: > Objective-C is billed as > AN OBJECT-ORIENTED SUPERSET OF C MODELED AFTER SMALLTALK-80 > > (for those who haven't seen it) > > BTW: what does the -80 mean exactly???? > It's a compacted version of a temporal numbering scheme which increments in units of approximately 365.25 days (on average) since the reputed birth of a religious leader in the Middle East; cf also Algol-68 and Fortran-90. This particular form of compaction in which only the tens and units are retained will cause significant problems in the near future when 100 is reached... such as who will ever admit to being a Cobol++-02 programmer?! :-) Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk (Roger Peppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS marke Date: 23 Oct 1996 09:35:02 GMT Organization: Department of Electronics, University of York, UK. Message-ID: <54kos6$5r4@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> On 19 Oct 1996 15:56:04 GMT, "Chris Trimble" <trimble@walrus.com> wrote: > Actually, I'd say the fight has moved one level LOWER. Those > cross-platform projects you're talking about demonstrate very little > platform consistency and typically have weak integration with any one OS. > The OS wars are still interesting, and the reason why is because Java or > GNU-type portable apps can't not make a dent in the general application > development market for some time to come... probably never. They simply > do not offer the consistency and features that the users in the world > demand. there is one that offers the potential... check out : http://www.lucent.com/inferno/ as ground breaking a platform as the first Unix was when that first appeared, IMO. rog. (no personal interest, except that i think this product is the only thing out there that really *deserves* hype!)
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 23 Oct 1996 12:37:17 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <54l3ht$aom@news.asu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> Your input is greatly appreciated. I am glad that you found this provocative enough to lend your reactions and thoughts. Before taking up the other issues about a consortium of advocates marketing masterplan for NEXTSTEP, please don't misunderstand the comments of my previous post where GNUstep are concerned. I wasn't disregarding or writing GNUstep out of the equation. But I must admit that I am not quite sure what equation you are referring to. From the context I assume you mean the OS market? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I have heard discussions about GNUstep for many years now and still am not overly familiar with it. My view is that the GNUstep work would actually stand to gain by this marketing coup being discussed just as NEXTSTEP would benefit by having this project publicly available. I know that I have used and appreciate the compression utilities for many years now. I do know, however, that NEXTSTEP is here and a fully-formed, exceptional, commercially viable, industrial grade software product which is still, and to borrow from a few posts which have contributed to this discussion: "NeXTSTEP is probably the most respected software in the planet." Sung Ho Kim - sk68@cornell.edu "In a market full or market-share mongrels, it tried to produce something that was no-compromise, first-rate and innovative. I don't think anybody can doubt that they did in fact produce something special. I think this is what makes NeXT special." Sung Ho Kim - sk68@cornell.edu "As someone who got to admire the elegance and conceptual clarity of NeXTStep ..." Alexander Wilkie - wilkie@cg.tuwien.ac.at Despite having by far the best product in our market, ... Art Isbell - aisbell@ix.netcom.com Allow me to next noting that the itemized list you provided is extremely appreciated. But before addressing these items, permit me to speak about the money issue. :Wow... A US $10M budget! Cool...! Having $10 M to work with and needing to return the $10 M principle plus $5 M in three years really isn't that much once you start planning and pricing out to sustain all of the things you mentioned or making a serious and committed run at this marketing coup being discussed. Moreover, and having the performance constraint or condition imposed as was mentioned of having to produce some measurable and clear impact within about six month of having started a campaign - actually let's say that there is a total of nine months from November in which to achieve this - affairs would have to be handled very shrewdly. ______________________ 1) The first thing I would start doing with this is raise the visibility of NeXTSTEP in the OO print magazines. Did you know Dr. Dobbs and some of the OO journals don't even mention NS in most (if not all) of their issues? I would start touting NS as everything Smalltalk, the current most-favored-OO-language-of-the-moment, wishes it could be. 2) Start calling on companies with NS development teams to start doing print ad testimonials concerning the power of NS. And start comparing it to everything! I mean EVERYTHING!!!! Hammer the hell out of Visual C++ (that would-be OO pretender from Microsoft). 3) To extend 2) even further, host a honest-to-God head-to-head competition between MS programmers and some crack NS programmers (preferably (but is it allowable?) from NeXT. Give them something difficult to implement, like writing an API or something in each team's in hours development tool (MS would use Visual C++; NS programmers would use NS). After the NS team thoroughly kills the MS team, tout it in print ads across the country, including the big papers - New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Los Angeles Times papers (with full page ads). Start capturing mind share.... ______________________ Before engaging a war and going into what promises to be a fierce gauntlet, one must have all their forces and weapons prepared. At the point where the challenge is issued and this Consortium of Renegade NEXTSTEP Advocates goes on the offensive to capture mind share, everything had better be in place to handle the onslaught which will ensue. This independent entity would have be fairly well insulated and comprised of well-heeled individuals to handle and repel all reprisals. The key in all this is not to go into to it thinking that it can be done in a one-punch or lucky-punch artist fashion. My belief is that Steve Jobs made a significantly crucial error when launching NeXT by not anticipating or properly responding to was coming under attack as NeXT did from all sides. Never fall for the lie that you here about it not being personal and just business. IT IS ALWAYS PERSONAL! In my opinion, and based on things that I saw and heard, many companies saw what Jobs was doing as a bona fide threat and wasn't about to let him repeat the magic they had known him for called Apple. Jobs thought that people could put there jealousy, insecurity, and vested interests aside in favor of something INSANELY GREAT and innovative and get behind him as they did before. They were laying and waiting for him this time and after the grandeur and hoopla of the September 1988 unveiling, everybody could then take clear aim. (Upon reading the last sentence, please don't deter from the objective at hand by raising questions and arguments about what constitutes a conspiracy.) Increasing the visibility of NEXTSTEP in the fashion you suggest might have to be done as a lone proposition for this Consortium until there would be significantly favorable grassroots and high-profile support generated. Getting testimonials at present from the development teams of companies might expose them a little more than they wish to be and being associated with this may open them to battles which they are not prepared to take on. There used to be an expression I would heard about IBM and think that people are now applying it to Microsoft and Windoze. "Nobody ever got fired for recommending IBM." These companies may wish to, but to go out of their way at the present time or even to allow us to use their comments to badger other platforms in the current environment might be a little more risky than some companies are willing to be. What's more, and despite the intentions of the Consortium being clear, lending one's seal of approval to an entity and this objective that sort of raises out of nowhere (actually the ashes from what many have been convinced to believe about NeXT and NEXTSTEP), isn't something many stable players would do. I would welcome being wrong about this of course. Before doing any of this, there is the question of assembling nothing less than a crack core and team. This obviously is not something that can be pulled off with only 10-12 people. Obtaining the right people and getting them with the program is where some of the initial outlay and a sizable chunk of the $10 M would go to for starters. Take yourself instance, how much would it take for you to place what you are currently doing on hiatus to take part in such a project as this that would probably take a total of nine months (three to gather forces, prep, and coordinate the execution and six months to achieve the first measurable objective of 1-2 M end users or something similar and with equal impact)? If successful, it would continue, but there would also have to be an infusion of more capital through earnings which would keep it viable and then these become standard operating costs. What is the figure you have in mind? Take this figure and multiply it by the number of people you think it would take to pull this off and support it on the scale that it would have to be. Now, care to tell me how much you get and how many people are you projecting? Would you be part of the development support personnel and/or lend support to the aggressive but crafty advertising/marketing/distribution/PR/development/support/operations brain trust of this band or Consortium of Renegade Advocates? In addition to assembling a core force of say about 30 die-hard, hard working, and creatively clever individuals who would serve to anchor a force of maybe 75-200 individuals to see this project through, (at least that's how many I would project), these individuals will have to be equipped with state-of-the-art and perhaps custom high-end hardware tools. This adds to the cost. Likewise, there needs to be a significant communication's budget and infrastructure to handle the anticipated load which this would require. This would include a lot of cellular telephone, pagers, and laptops to be obtained and maintained. In order to get this many folks with the right desire and/or NEXTSTEP experience and who would be available for this, may require recruiting fellow advocates from around the world to help focus on this marketing coup directed at the U.S. market. Bringing in and/or relocating at the very least 10-20 well-trained and experienced NEXTSTEP developers and adequately compensating them to earn near what they would otherwise, I would say could cost as much as $100 K per person including benefits. Even if these talents believed in the cause and were willing to work for peanuts in the interest of a higher long-run return, giving them a decent base salary along with the proper tools, environment, and support would still run about $100 K each. So let's say that we seattle for only ten of these hand-picked developers and drawn upon the support that NeXT would have to naturally provide for support of NEXTSTEP, this would run about $1 M for the 6-9 month period. The cost of assembling, preparing, and maintaining a solid base and complete team of renegades to operate at the level that is required would run about $3 M I would say off the top of my head. Now let's return back to the issue of marketing various publications. I don't know how familiar you are with the price of running ads in such publications, but to consistently bombard all the major magazines and national publications such as the Wall Street Journal or New York Times and obtaining fairly prime spots as you suggest even for a six month period could costs as much as $2-3 million. It is a good thing you didn't mention trying to do a national television campaign as well seeing as major television spots can cost as much as $500 K a pop and we haven't even talked about the cost of producing a decent spot even if we were to do it virtually using NEXTSTEP on high-end Pentiums and SPARCstations. Equipping this Consortium or force from top to bottom with all the proper tools could run as little as $200 K and as much as $1 M I would say. If this marketing campaign is very effective, this would mean receiving a heavy volume of interested responses. You should also keep in mind that there would be those skunks and saboteurs responding too and there would be additional overhead having to deal with them. Having about 200 personnel is beginning to sound not too far off with having to provide support. The support at this level and in addition to what is mentioned for the core team above would run about 2.5 million assuming that these were truly quality NEXTSTEP knowledgeable and extremely computer literate folks which would reflect best and make what is being done even more successful. Is this support going to be provided via a toll-free line? I would have to get a deal where this cost is very small on a per minute (six second increment basis). Five pages and less than about $500 K left and we haven't even gotten to the cost of arranging a head-to-head competition which I think is an excellent idea or a repeat of campus consultants as you suggest. To do the competition halfway right and attract the audience and national attention desired, this would require about $1 M as I envision it. We also haven't discussed how income is to be generated for this entity. Given the nature of this task and what it sets out to achieve in the time that it does, having only USD $10 M to work with in my opinion is not a lot of money and would require an extremely creative, shrewd, and coordinated team to execute a comprehensive plan. I am greedy and welcome further comments so please don't be shy. Sam Krishna (infinity@nol.net) wrote: : Well, : This is interesting.... : As a Linux/NT/NeXTSTEP user who gets to play around in all kinds of : environments... I would have to say that by far, the best OS I've seen : to date is NeXTSTEP. : Here's some ideas on marketing it.... : >devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: : > : > Hello Steve, Darren, Felipe, & any others who are following or care to : > contribute: : > : > Although Steve makes an interesting suggestions, to give away : > NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP academic for free, it is a proposal that really ignores : > the parameters of the marketing challenge as presented. What's more, and : > rather than head down a path which examines what NeXT and their marketing : > folks should and shouldn't do, there is an entirely different direction : > that I would like to see this discussion take. This directions is one : > which is governed by the following constraints and hopefully will offer : > some novel insights as to what can actually be done to fortify and : > radically increase the market presence of NEXTSTEP 3.3 & an OPENSTEP for : > MACH which is more in-line with the evolution of NEXTSTEP as it should be : > on course of Mecca and not as some Windoze/Solaris looking chameleon or : > derivative. : > : > Recall that the original marketing challenge was presented as follows: : > : > (Excerpt...) : > : > 1) Eliminate NeXT Software, Inc. from the equation : > and any marketing efforts by NeXT in order to accomplish these : > objectives. Think of this entire operation as something being undertaken : > by an entity independent of NeXT ( a consortium of advocates) acting on : > behalf of the NEXTSTEP community and the technology - please don't : > confuse this with the GNUStep efforts. : > : I like this - they are too unreliable anyway... I wouldn't write : GNUstep out of the equation just yet, though, but we deal with things : the way they are defined, not the way we would like them... : > 2) Key objectives on the list of this Consortium : > of NEXTSTEP Advocates follow: : > : > A. You have only a budget of USD : > $10 Million to accomplish everything with. : > : Wow... A US $10M budget! Cool...! : 1) The first thing I would start doing with this is raise the visibility : of NeXTSTEP in the OO print magazines. Did you know Dr. Dobbs and some : of the OO journals don't even mention NS in most (if not all) of their : issues? I would start touting NS as everything Smalltalk, the current : most-favored-OO-language-of-the-moment, wishes it could be. : 2) Start calling on companies with NS development teams to start doing : print ad testimonials concerning the power of NS. And start comparing : it to everything! I mean EVERYTHING!!!! Hammer the hell out of Visual : C++ (that would-be OO pretender from Microsoft). : 3) To extend 2) even further, host a honest-to-God head-to-head : competition between MS programmers and some crack NS progrmmers : (preferably (but is it allowable?) from NeXT. Give them something : difficult to implement, like writing an API or something in each team's : in housr development tool (MS would use Visual C++; NS programmers would : use NS). After the NS team thoroughly kills the MS team, tout it in : print ads across the country, including the big papers - New York Times, : Wall Street Journal, and Los Angelas Times papers (with full page ads). : Start capturing mind share.... : 4) Offer to buy development licenses for students who are interested in : owning a copy of NS. Open up a web site where any student who is : interested would have to send an original copy of the purchase receipt : for their OPENSTEP or NS product. Then simply buy a developer : subscription for $2500 which would come with a developer's license from : NeXT. Allow the kids to write their own apps and give them the ability : to sell them! : 5) Set up mailing list servers and hire development support personnel : who have a ton of expereience with NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. Have them answer : email and take technical support calls from all kinds of developers. : Train them to tell everybody 16 times to go tell a friend about : OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP and give a demo. : 6) Leep fighting for mindshare in the OO journals. Enter every single : possible programming competition imaginable. Even advertise in CMP's : technical magazines and Ziff-Davis's publications also. : 7) Give John Dvorak a fresh demo of OPENSTEP on C|Net central. : 8) Set up a repeat of campus consultants for college students to take : advantage of. : B. Must make measurable impact of : > say 1-2 million new U.S. based end users within six months. In short, : > the reason for concentrating on suring up U.S. based end users means that : > foreign users get supported too owing to the increased success. : > : Would that help with goal B? : : > Obviously, and considering the proposal of giving away NEXTSTEP : > academic, if one were to use all $10 M to buy X-# of academic copies at : > about $200.00 per copy to give away to qualified folks, this doesn't : > leave much money to advertise or get the word out. There would also be : > things like shipping to consider. As this consortium would need to make : > a deal with NeXT in the first place to purchase a large number of : > academic copies of the software, it would also need to insure and verify : > that the software is registered to people in academia. There would be : > overhead incurred doing this. : > Anyway, there seem to be a couple of factors or constraints that : > were overlooked with the academic giveaway. By giving away the software, : > would you be able to obtain a measurable marketable impact by this within : > six months and how does one get a $15 M return on this investment in 3 years? : > In any case, I hope everyone starts to get the idea when I ask : > about details and for something that is plausible to accomplish the : > described objective. : > : > Thanks To All - : Hope this helps.... In the mean time, I'm going to get back to work on : GNUstep. : Sam Krishna : Linux Inside : Coming soon - OPENSTEP!
From: shess@shell.one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 23 Oct 1996 09:36:14 -0400 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Sender: shess@shell.one.net Message-ID: <veeohhtpzu9.fsf@shell.one.net> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <sk68-0101040021590001@cu-dialup-0017.cit.cornell.edu> <54g4q6$2p@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <54ig2i$n0@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> In-reply-to: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de's message of 22 Oct 1996 12:52:34 GMT In article <54ig2i$n0@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) writes: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) wrote: > and let's hope that Steve's leaving NeXT > for good soon to start the next thing.. Why do you think we should hope that Steve's leaving? What do you think would happen then? My theory is that people under the Apple tent made _much_ more money for the five or six years after Jobs left Apple than they did before. Of course, now they are somewhat in the dumps - but is it really any worse than the NeXT market? Of course not. On the other hand, it's much too late, now. I think there was a time when Jobs could have turned the company over to the MBA's, who would have cleaned house and concentrated on "making money" and not "being right". The OS would have stagnated, and the community would have gotten smaller and cynical, but the market could have made money quite handily for three or four years. Of course, things have basically worked out that way, except for the making money part. I would _much_ rather have Apple's problem of having neglected the OS and other whizzy for too long, and now having to warp space to make things work for Copland, rather than have the most whizzy OS but nobody wants to run it ... Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> http://www.winternet.com/~shess/ Work: 288 Rampart Court #105, Ft Mitchell, KY, 41017 (606) 578-0412 (Was) 12550 Portland Avenue South #121, Burnsville, MN 55337 (612)895-1208
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:34:51 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0mPYYfe00UhB01gnhs@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> <326DB9B8.7B05@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In-Reply-To: <326DB9B8.7B05@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 23-Oct-96 Re: Open Letter to NeXT: W.. by "Eric A. Dubiel"@rs6000. > http://www.batech.com/~dekorte/Objective-C/objc.html > > Objective-C is billed as > AN OBJECT-ORIENTED SUPERSET OF C MODELED AFTER SMALLTALK-80 > > (for those who haven't seen it) That's a pretty good description of Objective-C, IMHO. > BTW: what does the -80 mean exactly???? It refers to the year 1980, which should be commonly known reference standard for that language. You'll see the same system of designation used (for example) with Fortran-77 and -90. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: dekorte@suite.com (Steve Dekorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 23 Oct 1996 17:49:32 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <54llrc$mq7@news.onramp.net> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> <54l3ht$aom@news.asu.edu> Cc: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > "NeXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet." Sung > Ho Kim - sk68@cornell.edu I believe he was quoting a 1990(?) issue _Byte_ magazine. Steve
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I get mail.app to keep a copy of sent messages? Date: 23 Oct 1996 18:27:50 GMT Organization: University of Texas at Austin (Student) Message-ID: <54lo36$t5c@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I have been emailing this girl when I was either drunk or stoned, and I don't remember what I wrote her when the the next day rolls around. Is there anyway to get mail.app 3.2 to keep a copy of sent items? If there is, is there a way to filter them into a seperate mailbox? This would greatly help my chances of winning this girl over. Thanks, Josh -- _______________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: I Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I'm still confused. Can someone help me? Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:10:26 GMT Organization: University of Texas at Austin (Student) Message-ID: <54lu3i$l9m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> What exactly is the alias, and passwrd file in my /LocalLibrary/Images/People directory? I have this file called mkpassalias, which is supposed to update these file so I can view people pictures in the mail.app, but some of the pictures don't show. I want to edit the alias and passwrd files directly, but I don't know what they are for, or whats going on inside them. can someone help me? Josh -- _______________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: bobs@phys.washington.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ppp Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:37:34 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <54lvme$c86@nntp1.u.washington.edu> I'm running NS3.2 on black hardware, and I'm trying to get ppp up and running (I want to communicate via the phone lines with a modem pool that is also running ppp). I have ppp installed and loaded into the kernel, but I am unable to start the communications process. I want to first start ppp manually, and I'll worry about chat scripts later. The README file states that I should ... use a communications package (tip or kermit are good choices) to manually dial the modem and log into the remote server. There, manually start up the pppd process. Once this is done, you can exit the communications process (to free up the device it is using). Then, start your local pppd on the same device. The pppd processes will then start communicating. The premise is that you manually perform the operations that you would like your dial script to perform. Once you _know_ ppp works, you can spend time on the dial scripts. Please note, you _must_ exit from your communications program before you start your local pppd. For example if you are in kermit and you start the peer pppd, you must completely exit kermit before you start pppd. If you don't, the connection will not form. Using kermit, I dial up the modem pool (on device /dev/cufa), start pppd, and then ^]c back to the local kermit session. At this point, I'm unable to start the local pppd program without severing the connection. What should I do here? Also, can someone send their chat script as a sample? This might be useful in the future. Thanks very much for any assistance, and if you could, please send replies via email. -- Robert Singleton work: (206) 543-9640 Department of Physics fax : (206) 685-0635 University of Washington Box 351560 bobs@terrapin.phys.washington.edu Seattle, WA 98195 http://terrapin.phys.washington.edu/~bobs
From: npratt@xmission.xmission.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 23 Oct 1996 15:13:11 -0600 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <54m1p7$pca@xmission.xmission.com> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> <54l3ht$aom@news.asu.edu> <54llrc$mq7@news.onramp.net> In article <54llrc$mq7@news.onramp.net>, Steve Dekorte <dekorte@suite.com> wrote: >devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: >> "NeXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet." >Sung >> Ho Kim - sk68@cornell.edu > >I believe he was quoting a 1990(?) issue _Byte_ magazine. > >Steve > It was a summer issue in 1992. June, I believe. Nevin
From: Scott Mewett <mewett@mpr.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Someone should.... Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:17:47 -0700 Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <326E998B.19FA@mpr.ca> References: <54hroe$q5n@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > > Somone should build next intel boxes that look identical to the black > hardware. Maybe they could buy the hardware templates from Next. Stick some > cool telecomunications device in it, and I'm sure it would sell better than > those wanna be next boxes made by IBM and Panasonic. > > Josh > -- > > _______________________________________ > Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ > "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I > was the suspect." --Steven Wright I like that idea ... but isn't that what Canon did with some of the ObjectStations. You could by them in black or white. I think even the floppy drive was on the side, like the slab. I don't think that they were as low profile though. Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: # of black-boxes sold? Message-ID: <a177cc$112513.261@news.sfasu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 23:37:19 GMT Organization: As little as I can get away with... Does anyone have a good estimate of the number of black boxes that were sold? -- kc -- -- kc
From: lacourse@midusa.net (Dan LaCourse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ppp Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:01:37 GMT Organization: Netspace Internet Services Message-ID: <54m84h$b6e1@news.midusa.net> References: <54lvme$c86@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Cc: bobs@phys.washington.edu In <54lvme$c86@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Robert Singleton wrote: > I'm running NS3.2 on black hardware, and I'm trying to get ppp > up and running (I want to communicate via the phone lines with > a modem pool that is also running ppp). I have ppp installed and > loaded into the kernel, but I am unable to start the communications > process. > > Using kermit, I dial up the modem pool (on device /dev/cufa), > start pppd, and then ^]c back to the local kermit session. At > this point, I'm unable to start the local pppd program without > severing the connection. What should I do here? > Hi Robert, I believe the problem you are describing is that when you exit kermit it automatically hangs up the phone. The way to get around that is to issue a command to the shell from within kermit, which is done by preceding your command (at the kermit prompt) with "!". So, you're doing everything right. You just need to type !pppd cufa defaultroute -detach at the kermit prompt. Hope this helps. -- Best wishes, Dan LaCourse
From: kcb@coyote.caltech.edu (KC Border) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MIME Confusion Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:00:37 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <54m82l$3mf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> I am having trouble with MIME attachments sent from other platforms. Two days ago, I received an rtf file generated by Word on a Mac as an attachment to an e-mail. When I tried to read it, Edit crashed and burned. Opening up a Terminal window I cat'ed the file to the standard output, then pasted it into an Edit window. Nothing appeared too unusual, but when I saved the file and reopened it, Edit crashed again. How can this be? Yesterday I received a Word file from a different Mac, again as an e-mail attachment, so I copied it to a floppy and walked it over to my secretary's PC running Windows 95. Opening this file in Word for Windows not only crashed Word, we had to hit the reset button on her computer. Neither of these e-mails were malicious, they were honest attempts to communicate. Is there some weird incompatibility with NeXT and Mac mailers? How can opening a file crash Edit? -- Kim C. Border Professor of Economics Caltech Pasadena CA 91125 e-mail: kcb@hss.caltech.edu Phone: 818 395-4218
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Someone should.... Date: 24 Oct 1996 01:08:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <54mfj8$cib@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> References: <54hroe$q5n@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <326E998B.19FA@mpr.ca> Scott Mewett <mewett@mpr.ca> wrote: > joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > > Somone should build next intel boxes that look identical to the black > > hardware. Maybe they could buy the hardware templates from Next. Stick some > > cool telecomunications device in it, and I'm sure it would sell better than > > those wanna be next boxes made by IBM and Panasonic. > I like that idea ... but isn't that what Canon did with some of the > ObjectStations. You could by them in black or white. I think even the > floppy drive was on the side, like the slab. I don't think that they > were as low profile though. But most important, they were mostly a pretty face with very little substance. Their quality was far below that of NeXT hardware. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I get mail.app to keep a copy of sent messages? Date: 24 Oct 1996 01:37:49 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <54mh9d$44q@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <54lo36$t5c@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Joshua Kerr writes > I have been emailing this girl when I was either drunk or stoned, > and I don't remember what I wrote her when the the next day > rolls around. Is there anyway to get mail.app 3.2 to keep a > copy of sent items? If there is, is there a way to filter them > into a seperate mailbox? This would greatly help my chances of > winning this girl over. > > Thanks, > > Josh Josh, in the Compose preferences, you can select whether outgoing mail should be archived in Outgoing.mbox. - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I get mail.app to keep a copy of sent messages? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:01:26 -0700 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961023175811.1382G-100000@kira> References: <54lo36$t5c@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Joshua Kerr <joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu> In-Reply-To: <54lo36$t5c@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > I have been emailing this girl when I was either drunk or stoned, and I don't > remember what I wrote her when the the next day rolls around. Is there > anyway to get mail.app 3.2 to keep a copy of sent items? If there is, is > there a way to filter them into a seperate mailbox? This would greatly help > my chances of winning this girl over. one of the most amusing postings I have ever seen on any of these groups.... on any group, actually. Check to see if you have an Outgoing.mbox. If you do, you were smart and set "archive outgoing messages". If not, try setting it now. always willing to help the cause of true love ;-) TjL
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ppp Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:13:26 -0700 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961023180505.1382H-100000@kira> References: <54lvme$c86@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Robert Singleton <bobs@phys.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <54lvme$c86@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com [ followups to comp.sys.next.misc ] - please pick a newsgroup, don't post to all of them. - Even better, send this to the PPP listserv, which deals with this stuff all of the time, send a message to listproc@chinx1.ThoughtPort.COM with the SUBJECT SUBSCRIBE NEXTPPP Robert Singleton The answer is to set this in your .kermrc file: define ppp - !pppd < \v(line) > \v(line) defaultroute when you start the connect at the other end, go contol-] and then 'c' and then type do ppp at the kermit prompt. That will start the PPP process. There should have been example chat scripts with the package. I have a file called 'chat2isp' with these contents ABORT "NO DIALTONE" ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "NO DIAL TONE" ABORT "ERROR" "" ATQ0H0 OK AT&D2 OK ATW1 OK ATM0 OK ATDTW5551212 "CONNECT" "" TIMEOUT 25 ogin:-\r-ogin:- myuser "ord: " mypassword I start PPP via: /usr/local/bin/pppd connect \ '/usr/local/bin/chat -v -f /usr/local/bin/chat2isp' good luck TjL
From: shess@shell.one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Someone should.... Date: 24 Oct 1996 03:15:48 -0400 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Sender: shess@shell.one.net Message-ID: <veeiv803k9n.fsf@shell.one.net> References: <54hroe$q5n@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <326E998B.19FA@mpr.ca> <54mfj8$cib@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: aisbell@ix.netcom.com's message of 24 Oct 1996 01:08:56 GMT In article <54mfj8$cib@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: Scott Mewett <mewett@mpr.ca> wrote: > joshkerr@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > > Somone should build next intel boxes that look identical to the > > black hardware. Maybe they could buy the hardware templates > > from Next. Stick some cool telecomunications device in it, and > > I'm sure it would sell better than those wanna be next boxes > > made by IBM and Panasonic. > > I like that idea ... but isn't that what Canon did with some of > the ObjectStations. You could by them in black or white. I think > even the floppy drive was on the side, like the slab. I don't > think that they were as low profile though. But most important, they were mostly a pretty face with very little substance. Their quality was far below that of NeXT hardware. Well, to give them _some_ credit (though it sounds like they don't deserve much), at that time _all_ PC hardware was crap. Well, compared to a NeXT slab, at least. I've always been appalled that the component count on the board of my 1991 NeXTstation compares favorably with the component count of any given expansion card on my 1994 i486 machine - and the NeXT has connectors on the back I've never had a use for! Fast forward to 1996, though ... I've just finished (mostly) building a new Pentium system based on the ASUS P/I-XP55T2P4 ATX motherboard. I'm _quite_ pleased with the simplicity and spareness of the motherboard, and happy with the on-board keyboard, mouse, etc. And the PCI Matrox video and NCR SCSI cards are also pretty reasonable. If you put an Ethernet controller on-board, you could put the 2 PCI bus slots on a riser, drop the ISA bus entirely, and have a pretty reasonable client system, which would probably fit in a low-profile box. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> http://www.winternet.com/~shess/ Work: 288 Rampart Court #105, Ft Mitchell, KY, 41017 (606) 578-0412 (Was) 12550 Portland Avenue South #121, Burnsville, MN 55337 (612)895-1208
From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SOLVED: need sendmail guru Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:16:16 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <54nflg$2r0@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <54jcoj$f9b@lancelot.camelot.de> In article <54jcoj$f9b@lancelot.camelot.de> heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) writes: > Hello, > > I am on the internet via PPP and I retrieve my mail via POP. Therefore, my > e-mail address is different from the usual user@hostname.domain, > specifically it is just user@domain. I got three replies and I tried two of them, both worked, but I am sure the third would have worked, too (but it would have involved more dramatic changes, so I decided against it). here they are: First solution from John Lam <jlam@rpa.net>: change sendmail.subsidiary.cf according to the following: $ diff /usr/template/client/etc/sendmail /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf 46c46 < DVNX3.0S --- > DVNX3.0S.jl:2 217c217 < R$+ $@$1<@$w> tack on our hostname --- > R$+ $@$1<@$m> tack on our domain The second suggestion (from Uli Zappe <uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>) was to use sendmail.mailhost.cf and uncomment the following line: # my fully qualified hostname, $j, is now set by sendmail internally #Dj$?m$w.$m$|$w$. # if you want the gateway to assume the identity of its parent domain, use: #Dj$m into: # my fully qualified hostname, $j, is now set by sendmail internally #Dj$?m$w.$m$|$w$. # if you want the gateway to assume the identity of its parent domain, use: Dj$m However, usage of sendmail.subsidiary.cf (solution #1) was suggested to have benefits over mailhost.cf, namely that it is said to combine multiple recipients of one message and so reduces the load on the PPP link. Therefore I opted for that solution. The third solution from "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@cps.msu.edu> involves using a new sendmail, but it is definately the most flexible: look at URL http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ for more info. Thanks a lot again to all who helped to solve my problem! Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail welcome_________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University | G i b D O S | Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group | k e i n e |
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: # of black-boxes sold? Date: 24 Oct 1996 11:34:57 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <54nk91$b7s@www.langen.bull.de> References: <a177cc$112513.261@news.sfasu.edu> Cc: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu In <a177cc$112513.261@news.sfasu.edu> J. Kelly Cunningham wrote: > > Does anyone have a good estimate of the number of black boxes that were > sold? The number that was floating around for quite a while was 50,000. Volker
From: damiano@jupiter.space.ualberta.ca (Peter Damiano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MPEG viewer for NeXTSTEP Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:47:15 GMT Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <54oa33$12ae@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Hi. I was wondering if anyone knew of an MPEG viewer for NEXTSTEP that would run on black hardware Sincerely Peter Damiano --
From: lacourse@midusa.net (Dan LaCourse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MPEG viewer for NeXTSTEP Date: 24 Oct 1996 18:38:47 GMT Organization: Netspace Internet Services Message-ID: <54od3n$i9u1@news.midusa.net> References: <54oa33$12ae@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Cc: damiano@jupiter.space.ualberta.ca In <54oa33$12ae@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Peter Damiano wrote: > Hi. I was wondering if anyone knew of an MPEG viewer for NEXTSTEP that would > run on black hardware > > Sincerely > > Peter Damiano > > > Try MPEG_Play.app and Movie.app. I have both for m68k. Should be available from the archives, otherwise email me. The latter comes in several versions, one of which will play avi's, but they look really washed-out and lousy. -- Best wishes, Dan LaCourse
From: Tim Weilkiens <twe@informatik.uni-kiel.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: DO <-> RPC discussion Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:15:42 +0200 Organization: Institute of Computer Science, University of Kiel, Germany Message-ID: <3270D99E.5048@informatik.uni-kiel.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've found the following part in the Nextanswers article 'Spreading the wealth: DO and PDO': [...] To the clients, the published objects are messaged as if they were in the same process as the rest of the client. This transparent messaging is much cleaner than previous remote procedure call (RPC) mechanism. [...] The article goes on with pointing out the advantages of DO and the disadvantages of RPC. It sounds pretty nice. But I never found an explanation of these arguments. The programmers work for DO and RPC is similar. The main difference is clear: DO is object-oriented and RPC is procedural-oriented. But this doesn't mean that DO's transparent messaging is much cleaner than the RPC mechanism. So, I want to know your opinion to this topic. Please argue with right arguments and not with empty marketing arguments like NeXT do. Are there any non-NeXT sources available? Or critical NeXT sources? Thanks in advance, Tim -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ( o ) "Paddington on the Rocks" ()~*~() (_)-(_) Tim Weilkiens, Kiel, Germany /\ / \/\ Tim.Weilkiens@kiel.netsurf.de /\ / \ tim-w@pz-oekosys.uni-kiel.d400.de
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I'm still confused. Can someone help me? Message-ID: <9610251236.AA28934@basil.icce.rug.nl> Date: 25 Oct 96 12:36:27 GMT Sender: tom@basil.icce.rug.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v146.2) Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Warty Wolfs In article <54lu3i$l9m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) wrote: > What exactly is the alias, and passwrd file in my > /LocalLibrary/Images/People directory? I have this file called > mkpassalias, which is supposed to update these file so I can > view people pictures in the mail.app, but some of the pictures > don't show. I want to edit the alias and passwrd files directly, > but I don't know what they are for, or whats going on inside > them. can someone help me? Trust me, you don't want to maintain these by hand after you get more than a couple of dozen pictures :-) A few things to check: - you must quit and restart Mail.app to see newly added pictures after running mkpassalias. - the names of the picture files must match _exactly_ with the email address of the sender. If you want to see them in Alexandra or Newsgrazer (and possibly other newsreaders) as well, you should replace the `@' in the filename with a `.'. For example <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> would have a picture file named ``tom.basil.icce.rug.nl.tiff''. Likewise <tom@icgned.nl> would have a picture named ``tom.icgned.nl.tiff''. [Now it just so happens that the persons behind these addresses are one and the same. (to wit, yours truly:-) So instead of copying the picture tiff, which would be a waste of disk space, you can either add a link, i.e. in a Terminal window, while cd'ed to /Locallibrary/Images/People, give the command: ln tom.basil.icce.rug.nl.tiff tom.obelix.icce.rug.nl.tiff Alternatively you can add the following line to ``aliases.special'' (but this only works for mail, not for the newsreaders): tom@obelix.icce.rug.nl: tom@basil.icce.rug.nl ... and (re)run mkpassalias] - do you have permission to write in /LocalLibrary/Images/People when you run mkpassalias? The script should complain loudly if this is the case... Hope this helps, Tom. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Ed is the standard text editor" __/ _/_/ -- Unix Programmer's Manual
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I'm still confused. Can someone help me? Date: 25 Oct 1996 22:30:03 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <54rf1b$9m5@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <54lu3i$l9m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Joshua Kerr <joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu wrote>: > What exactly is the alias, and passwrd file in my > /LocalLibrary/Images/People directory? I have this file called > mkpassalias, which is supposed to update these file so I can view > people pictures in the mail.app, but some of the pictures don't > show. I want to edit the alias and passwrd files directly, but > I don't know what they are for, or whats going on inside them. > can someone help me? Your confusion might stem from the fact that NeXT obiously thought only of local use of its mail system when it was developed. The passwd file is intended as a list of users of the local network (which are those you are supposed to be able to send mail to). Therefore, the way NeXT had planned it, it gets updated every night by mailDBupdate which simply copies the content of netinfo/users into this file. mailDBupdate copies all info (not only login name, but also password, real name, user ID etc.) into this file because it makes use of nidump. The most of this is not necessary, however. All you need is the login name of the user and the following colon. This entry is needed for Mail.app: this way it can list the users of the system in its addresses panel ("login names"). Mail.app WON'T show pictures of users that aren't listed as users of the system in passwd. The name passwd is confusing, since it's the users, NOT the passwords that matter. This name has historical reasons (it kind of duplicates the /etc/passwd file which was necessary for login would netinfo not exist, but actually uses only the user information of that file). Now, since you want to see pictures of users from the internet, you must pretend they were local users to show up in Mail.app. You do so by adding EXACTLY what appears in the From: header of the received mail (notice that with local mail, this is exactly the login name, automatically added to passwd by mailDBupdate!). So, if the From: header says: Joe@dream.phantasy.com, name your picture Joe@dream.phantasy.com.tiff and add Joe@dream.phantasy.com: to passwd. This will work with mail as well as with the patched version of Alexandra. You DO NOT NEED the aliases file at all! Again, this file is originally intended to be a copy of netinfo/aliases, made by mailDBupdate. Of course, if at all, you don't need LOCAL aliases, but those from users who write from two or more addresses from the internet. Assumed Joe has another account Joe@pain.microsoft.com you wouldn't see his picture if he writes from this account until you make an entry Joe@pain.microsoft.com: Joe@dream.phantasy.com in the aliases file. Unfortunately, a LOT of confusion stems from the fact that for some strange historical reason people used to name their mail tiffs (and the passwd entries accordingly) Joe.dream.phantasy.com (with a . instead of @). Because of this they had to make an alias entry for EACH and EVERY user (Joe@dream.phantasy.com: Joe.dream.phantasy.com) which is very confusing. But as said before: you do not need this! Even more confusion comes from the fact that again the format of aliases is a clone of /etc/aliases which is the flatfile equivalent to netinfo/aliases and is used by sendmail IF (and only if) there is no entry in netinfo. In summary you see that all the confusion stems from the fact that all this is pre-internet-age stuff and really needs to be updated by NeXT (what we will probably never see). You can easily see the spirit it was developed under by the fact that there is no connection between the Mail.app user database and the .addresses database of the WorkspaceManager (although the latter has e-mail entries!). At the time of development, it seems, NeXT thought mail would be used for local communication and fax (which makes use of the .addresses database) for world-wide communication. Another indicator that while WWW was developed on a NeXT machine, NeXT itself certainly DIDN'T foresee the internet revolution... This whole thing needs urgently to be updated and unified by NeXT, but I guess we'll never see this (and can't even do it by ourselves since it's part of NEXTSTEP... :-(( ) Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.speech Subject: .au/.snd >> .wav by GISO Date: 26 Oct 1996 06:05:14 GMT Organization: Me? Organized?! Message-ID: <54s9mq$8cf@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Summary: Can't get GISO to translate correctly .au/snd files to .wav files Keywords: GISO .wav .au .snd translation errors I have used GISO successfully to translate files in .wav format to .snd/.au format but cannot make it produce usable files the other way. I get a file with what seems to be a correct header, but the data is all screwed up, and I get interesting patterns of bursts of low level hiss. Is this perhaps a big-endian/little- endian problem. My copy of GISO (runs on NEXTSTEP) has facilities for byte swap on input but not output. If you email me, I'll post a summary of the replies, if they are helpful. Many thanks. david -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: rencsok@channelu.com (Randy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: 26 Oct 1996 05:47:50 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <54s8m6$ftb@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> <54l3ht$aom@news.asu.edu> Cc: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu In <54l3ht$aom@news.asu.edu> devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Your input is greatly appreciated. I am glad that you found this > provocative enough to lend your reactions and thoughts. > Before taking up the other issues about a consortium of advocates > marketing masterplan for NEXTSTEP, please don't misunderstand the > comments of my previous post where GNUstep are concerned. I wasn't > disregarding or writing GNUstep out of the equation. But I must admit > that I am not quite sure what equation you are referring to. From the > context I assume you mean the OS market? Feel free to correct me if I am > wrong. > I have heard discussions about GNUstep for many years now and > still am not overly familiar with it. My view is that the GNUstep work > would actually stand to gain by this marketing coup being discussed just > as NEXTSTEP would benefit by having this project publicly available. I > know that I have used and appreciate the compression utilities for many > years now. I do know, however, that NEXTSTEP is here and a fully-formed, > exceptional, commercially viable, industrial grade software product which > is still, and to borrow from a few posts which have contributed to this > discussion: > Here is my $.05 for all it's worth. I probably will go back into my silent state again. Since everyone banters this about, and NeXT is even more silent than I on anything. I liken NeXT to a black hole or pulsar that most of the time just sucks everything in (money, good will, etc.) and once in a while spews out a signal.. I was going to delete it. But what the heck.. The rest about budget, and competitive issues deleted. Myself and many others have proposed that Adobe and NeXT simply release the source for the OS. They don't have to do anything else. I personally think the window is closing on this kind of move. The only problem I can see with it is that Adobe and NeXT both have to agree to DO IT. The potential benefits would be enormous. (1) Tons of linux folks would jump all over it. There are some highly qualified people in this bunch (100's at least) and they do their work for free!! (2) GNUstep folks would jump in instantly.. They are working for peanuts if not for free. (3) The press would jump all over it because it would be a move that was only seen once (DOS?!) !! And this alone if promoted just a little (say 100-250K just to make phone calls, prep people for some big announcement from Adobe and NeXT.. Hell time it in conjunction with some big show) could be worth more than 10-15Million in advertising easily!! (I think 100Million) (4) ISV's spirits would be lifted.. Many would start coming back but begrudgingly I'd bet. New ones would jump on quickly. (5) OS would get ported to just about every platform that exists which for NeXT and Sun would mean Openstep everywhere.. IT would take time, but I'm absolutely postive in a couple of years it would find it's way on to every platform out there. (6) So if it was free why wouldn't people want to try it?! And once they saw it I'm sure if they can still reboot into their other OS's they'd eventually be booting more and more into NS/OS.. (7) All this would/could definately be good for NeXT since they could sell a NeXT certified version (like GNUstep does) to business clients, provide support.. What better for a consulting/support company to have tons of potential clients. (8) Current clients would love it since the more people who use NS/OS and program in it the more people there are to work for them (like hiring staff/programmers etc.) (9) ISV's would have huge base of clients to sell software too. Please, surely there is a way to set up the agreements and licenses so that people can still sell shrinkwrapped apps (binaries) for the platform. NeXT could keep it's hands on all the apps they've created, but they'd have to compete with others who might make something like Edit, or Mail, Project Builder, etc. (10) The good faith that would be generated (perticularly amoungst everyone who has felt abandoned etc.) would be enormous.. (11) NeXT wouldn't have to deal with complaints about unsupported this, buggy that (except their own software) and could say just go fix it yourself or pay us to fix it for you.. They wouldn't need the support team except for the NeXT added software features and functions. (12) Basically all of the above either costs no extra $$ to implement, or minimal expense compared to what is spent now. Perhaps others can think of other reasons it would be good for NeXT and Adobe to just DO IT. Or refute any or all of the above. Feel free. The only downside I can see is this. (1) MIcrosoft releasing it's OS for free (NS/OS would appear to be extremely threatening in the above case). Probably would have to bundle tools or software in.. But even so Everyone already has Microsloth solutions they'd love to try a free alternative.. The only thing that could/would slow its acceptance down is relatively cheap third-party applications.. And lack of compatibility between NS/OS apps.. But if you can run OS on top of NT geeze.. Who is going to care?! (2) NeXT and Adobe have to loose rights to whatever they put in public domain. But what is a barebones NS/OS worth to NeXT.. What is DPS worth to Adobe (probably hell of a lot more than NS to NeXT and this might be the sticking point on this whole deal) (3) Tons of software mods running rampant, causing lots of problems in the OS. Compatibility issues.. But this can be overcome by having certified versions sold by various vendors (including NeXT) along with support contracts, training, etc. Probably there are other things I'm not thinking of. But it really doesn't take 10-15Million to get 1million seats into the community. Nor would it make sense to spend this kind of money if no-one wants the product.. All they have to do is provide source and stick it on a server with a T1 or so.. That don't take 1M/year to do.. NeXT should consider the fact that they want to sell the solutions on top of the OS, who in their right mind is going to pay for all this when OS developers and admins are becoming harder and harder to find/train, and competition is implementing other more cost/effective solutions.. I am of the firm belief that everything that NeXT has done to the developer and user communities will come back to them.. As more cost effective solutions are developed that accomplish the same goals companies will switch in a heart beat with no thought of NeXT. It is the bottom line with the big boys and NeXT had better carefully walk that razor edge or face being cut into oblivion. And there will be no warning. A company with no clear business direction, nor any loyalties will eventually find itself in the cold with no-one to lend a helping hand.. And I know a lot of people who were once NS advocates who are now staunchly against NS in any form, and while in positions of power will not advocate NS as a solution period! If NeXT does not do something dramatic and highly visible within the next 12 months I think Openstep will simply drop into obscurity.. I think this is what NeXT intends really. Hell Next Figures that NT is the next big thing, and perhaps it is. So where else will you find Openstep Sun?! Maybe.. I don't think there is any compelling reason for anyone to run Openstep on anything when equivalent solutions exist for alternate OS's on a combination of platforms.. But a free OS that is also Openstep compatible (or capable) now that would be something that would turn heads everywhere.. I maintain that the public exposure alone is worth the equity lost in releasing a bare NS/OS to the public.. Whether this would be good for Adobe is another story. Unfortunately I don't know how much Adobe makes off of DPS, and what their plans are for the future.. Still watching and waiting, But frankly all the action seems to be in hardware now-a-days.. I don't see any excitement for OS4.0 or Openstep in general. But I'm not in a multi-multi-million dollar financial firm either.. Randy Rencsok NeXTStep User, Unix (various flavors) System/Network Admin @ large. rencsok@channelu.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: # of black-boxes sold? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <DzuB0u.9tA@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:26:53 GMT References: <a177cc$112513.261@news.sfasu.edu> <54nk91$b7s@www.langen.bull.de> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <54nk91$b7s@www.langen.bull.de>, Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: >In <a177cc$112513.261@news.sfasu.edu> J. Kelly Cunningham wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a good estimate of the number of black boxes that were >> sold? > >The number that was floating around for quite a while was 50,000. > That's what I've heard too. I also heard that there were about 8000 Dimension boards sold. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Eric Jenkinson <ejenkins@mail.cswnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 02:22:10 -0500 Organization: Source Communications Message-ID: <3271BC22.5729@mail.cswnet.com> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <54gffq$7p7@news.onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Dekorte wrote: > > devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > > > Obviously, and considering the proposal of giving away NEXTSTEP > > academic, if one were to use all $10 M to buy X-# of academic copies > at > > about $200.00 per copy to give away to qualified folks, this doesn't > > leave much money to advertise or get the word out. > > I'd be interesting in the % of NeXTstep sites that were started by > people > seeing NeXT marketing info and buying, without having any NeXTheads > on site to promote it's use? > > If this % is as low as I suspect, and most current NeXT sites were > seeded > with NeXTstepping academics, then the best marketing plan is to give > away to academics who have a chance of becoming NeXTstep advocates - > in essense, free long-term NeXT reps. > What would be nice is if there was no restriction on commercial development. I purchased NeXTSTEP 3.3 (USER/DEVELOPER) for in Intel in August. The academic price was $299.99. Several friends were interested in NeXT as well, especially after using it at my home. But under the licesing agrement Academic pricing all programs developed can only be done for academic purposes. I can not make a program a distribute it for commercial purposes. That fact alone left me as the only student on my campus to purchase and use NeXT. Nowadays you can get SCO UNIX for $19.00 dollars with the same no commercial use agrement. I own several OS and several development tools. All purchased under academic discount. Only NeXT is the one that has the no commercial agreement. > > ...By giving away the software, > > would you be able to obtain a measurable marketable impact by this > within > > six months... > Giving it away would not solve anything, infact it could even be damaging. Releasing the restrictions on the use of the Academic priced bundle would not hurt them, if anything it will help them. > Probably not. I wouldn't recommend it only as part of a long term > marketing plan. > > > how does one get a $15 M return on this investment in 3 years? > > Wait until they graduate. > In some cases there is no need to wait until they graduate. The systems development class this semester is building an database application to take care of the local courthouse records. The class is using IBM's OS/2 and Visual Age C++. The city council just approved a purchase order of 200 copies of OS/2 Warp and networking software. The instructor for the operating systems class that I am in ( who by the way turned me onto NeXT ) was going to use NeXT in the class but decided on Linux at the last minute because of the licesing restriction on the Academic version. Visual Programming in the spring was to use NeXT as well but decided go to Windows/C++ once again because of the restriction on the Academic version. The college I attend recieves money for the work the students do for the local business during these classes. And restrictions on commercial development on academic priced development tools makes it financial suicide for the faculty to go with a tool that has restrictions on development. Two thirds of the money the computer science department recieves each semester comes from projects done in seminar classes. The instructors that head these classes are avid NeXT users and programmers. But they won't / can't teach us the environment because of the restrictions on development. So what is NeXT loosing from thier restrictions... Aproximatly 800 graduates that know the NeXT environment and have at least a year's worth of development expreience outside the class room and about 3 1/2 years educational expreience. I attend a small school... imagine what the numbers would be nationaly. Borland ( in thier heyday ) made very effective use of academic pricing and used it to thier advantage. Microsoft is doing the same thing right now. ( In fact for just a little more than the Academic price for NeXT students can get the full line of Microsoft Development tools with no restrictions on development). By pricing the tools in reach of students and with no restrictions on development, then any company can cultivate their future because when the student finnaly goes out to the working world you can bet he or she is going to use the tools they are most familiar with and request them if they are not there in the place of business.
From: scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Bernhard Scholz) Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.answers,news.answers Subject: The NeXT-FAQ (Frequently asked questions) Followup-To: de.comp.sys.next Date: 26 Oct 1996 18:20:06 GMT Organization: InternetNews at LMU, University of Munich, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <54tkom$lk2@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Summary: Frequently asked questions concerning NeXT related topics. Posted-By: auto-faq 2.4 Archive-name: NeXT-FAQ Last-modified: Saturday, 26. September 1996 Posting-Frequency: monthly The NEXTSTEP/OpenStep FAQ _________________________________________________________________ THE NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP FAQ OVERVIEW * 1 Introduction * 2 General information * 3 What is ... * 4 Miscellaneous information * 5 Black (NeXT) hardware * 6 White (Intel) hardware * 7 Storage * 8 Printing * 9 Obsolete but still interesting? CONTENTS 1 Introduction 1.1 About this FAQ 1.2 Submissions 1.3 Availability 1.4 Copyright 1.5 Disclaimer 1.6 Thanks 2 General information 2.1 Information available but not in the written FAQ version 2.2 Where to get answers? 2.3 How may I contact NeXT, Inc.? 2.4 FTP servers 2.5 Software on CD 2.6 What is the current status of NEXTSTEP/OpenStep? 2.7 Will there be a public implementation of OpenStep? 2.8 Are there differences between Openstep for Mach and other implementations? 2.9 What information is available by NeXT 2.10 What is the correct spelling? 2.11 How do I start an official NeXT User Group? 2.12 Are there differences in the NEXTSTEP implementations? 2.13 What are the names of the ftp sites that have NeXT-related files? 2.14 Additional information sources 2.15 How to get FTP files via e-mail. 2.16 References on Objective C 2.17 How to contact music interested people. 2.18 How to announce upcoming events 2.19 Can I mix different hardware running NEXTSTEP? 2.20 Can I exchange software running on different hardware? 3 What is ... 3.1 NEXTSTEP 3.2 Mach 3.3 OPENSTEP 3.4 Objective-C 3.5 NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Developer 3.6 D'OLE 3.7 PDO --- Portable Distributed Objects 3.8 EOF --- Enterprise Objects Framework 3.9 WebObjects 3.10 WWW Browser 3.11 Newsreader 4 Miscellaneous information 4.1 How do I get pictures of people from remote sites to appear in Mail.app and NewsGrazer? 4.2 How to manipulate and examine default settings 4.3 How do I run NextApps remotely? 4.4 Why does UUCP hangs on outgoing connections after sending the password, but other communications software do not have a problem with it? 4.5 How do I access the NeXT's Digital Webster Dictionary from a program? 4.6 How do I get the arrow keys to work in csh? 4.7 What default affects menu location? 4.8 How to get Gourmet to boot up the Mathematica 2.0 kernel? 4.9 Manipulating the Loginwindow 4.10 How does one set UNIX man pages to be viewed in nroff format with DL like the standard manual pages in NS2.x? 4.11 Appending a signature and addition headers to your e-mail 4.12 How can I quickly find a file if I don't know its directory? 4.13 Mail.app suddenly stopped working! 4.14 Recycler doesn't work anymore?! 4.15 How to hear sound from CDPlayer.app thought NEXTSTEP system? 4.16 How do I decompress a file with the extension .compressed? 4.17 How do I change the Workspace compression app? 4.18 console: loginwindow: netinfo problem - No such directory. 4.19 Root login not possible on client machine 4.20 How to boot NEXTSTEP from the second (higher SCSI ID) HD? 4.21 How to make swapfile shrink to the normal size? 4.22 Does netinfo work between machines running NEXTSTEP 2.x and 3.x? 4.23 Why does the console user "own" the external disk filesystem? 4.24 How to limit coredump sizes? 4.25 What is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? 4.26 How can I change the mouse pointer shape and color? 4.27 How do I customize BuildDisk to create a bootable disk of my own configuration? 4.28 Are there any more dwrites useful for the workspace, ...? 4.29 What is the @LongLink message from gnutar all about? 4.30 What stands the file .place3_0.wmd for? 4.31 How to create transparent icons with IconBuilder 4.32 How to access the MAC format of a mixed DOS/MAC CD-ROM 4.33 Is there a PPP for NEXTSTEP 4.34 NIS and OpenStep 4.35 System overloaded due to swapping 4.36 Swapfile issues 4.37 Garbage collection and Objective-C 4.38 Setting up an anonymous FTP server 5 Black (NeXT) hardware 5.1 What disk drives will work with the NeXT? 5.2 Will a 68030 NeXT Computer run NEXTSTEP 3.3? 5.3 How do I configure my HP 660 to boot properly? 5.4 What is the procedure for installing a Fujitsu M2263SA/SB SCSI Disk as the NeXT Boot Disk? 5.5 How to mount a corrupted OD that won't automount? 5.6 What non-NeXT CD Players that work with a NeXT? 5.7 What are some other sources of toner cartridges and trays for the NeXT laser printer? 5.8 What printers (laser or otherwise) may be used with a NeXT? 5.9 What can I do to prevent my NeXT printer from running all the time? 5.10 What type of microphones will work with the NeXT? 5.11 How do I connect a modem to the NeXT? 5.12 What fax modems will work with the NeXT? 5.13 How may I attach more than two serial ports to the NeXT? 5.14 What is the best and/or cheapest way to connect a NeXT to a thick Ethernet? 5.15 How can I connect my NeXT to the telephone line and use it like an answering Machine? 5.16 What color monitors can I use with the Color NeXT machines? 5.17 Where can I get 13W3 to BNC adapters to connect third party color monitors? 5.18 How may I attach Centronics or 16 bit wide parallel ports to the NeXT? 5.19 Why does an unused serial port consume cpu? 5.20 How to adjust MegaPixel Display brightness and focus? 5.21 I want to emulate a macintosh, how? 5.22 My NeXT laser printer fails to fully eject the sheet - how to fix? 5.23 What are the NeXT mouse connections? 5.24 What type of memory may be installed in a NeXT? 5.25 What is the NeXT SIMM tool? 5.26 Where can I purchase a NeXT machine? 5.27 Where to obtain hardware service? 5.28 What types of NeXT machines were manufactured? 5.29 What can be done about older 030 NeXT cubes that have a fan that turns in the "wrong" direction? 5.30 Can I connect SONY MPX-111N to my 68030 NeXT Computer? 5.31 Why does the OD continually spin up and spin down? 5.32 How many colors can NeXT machines display? 5.33 Why is my machine so slow when I run the monochrome and NeXTdimension displays? 5.34 Where to obtain replacement mouse parts? 5.35 Where to obtain extra batteries? 5.36 How to convert a Turbo system to use ADB? 5.37 68030 board in the same NeXTcube as a 68040 board? 5.38 How to expand DSP memory? 5.39 How to boot a NeXT without a monitor? 5.40 Where can I get black spray paint for my NeXT? 5.41 What makes aged NeXT monitors dim? 5.42 How to use two internal hard drives 6 White (Intel) hardware 6.1 What about support for NeXT Computer specific hardware features such as the DSP? 6.2 Do Multi-Architecture Binaries take a lot of extra disk space? 6.3 How difficult is it to recompile existing NeXT applications over to NEXTSTEP/Intel? 6.4 When developing programs, are there any portability issues I should be aware of? 6.5 What is the difference between the NEXTSTEP/Intel User Environment and Developer Environment? 6.6 If a specific I/O card is not supported by NeXT, can 3rd parties write drivers for NEXTSTEP/Intel? 6.7 How is NEXTSTEP/Intel installed? 6.8 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on 386 machines? 6.9 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on the Cyrix 486SLC? 6.10 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on the future Intel Microprocessors in the x86 family? 6.11 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on portable computers? 6.12 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel be able to run MS-DOS and Windows programs? 6.13 How will my DOS and Windows applications perform under NEXTSTEP/Intel? 6.14 Is the window I use to run Microsoft Windows applications resizable? 6.15 Will this DOS/Windows compatibility system allow me to run several DOS programs at once? 6.16 Can I cut and paste between DOS/Windows sessions and NEXTSTEP applications? 6.17 Can I use both DOS and NEXTSTEP/Intel partitions on the same hard disk? 6.18 Can NEXTSTEP/Intel read, write, and format DOS and Mac floppies? 6.19 NEXTSTEP/Intel 3.1, DOS, Linux/NT multi-boot system? 6.20 NeXTSTEP on INTEL, KEYBOARD-ERROR ... 6.21 NS 3.2 Tseng ET4000 Video Driver doesn't work. 6.22 Accessing ROM monitor on Intel-System, how? 6.23 Adaptec 2940 Fast and Sync. SCSI explanation... 6.24 Do EIDE-Drives work with NEXTSTEP? 6.25 Anyone have a driver yet that does 8 bit color on an ET4000/w32p card? (Hercules Dynamite Pro VLB) 6.26 Does a Glidepoint pointing device work with NEXTSTEP? 6.27 AppleTalk under NEXTSTEP/Intel? 6.28 Booting hangs with black screen 6.29 Why are the features of my graphic card useless? 6.30 How to use MIDI without the MusicKit? 6.31 Installation problems with EIDE and ATAPI drives 6.32 Error message during boot time 6.33 Does NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP run with ... 6.34 RAM greater 64MB, now I get a black screen! 6.35 Lost root password 7 Storage 7.1 Disktab help needed: ST15230N 7.2 Formatting DEC DSP3105 with 1024-byte blocks. 7.3 My formatted disk has much less space then advertised! 7.4 Can't initialise my disk within the Workspace 7.5 Initialing Opticals for NeXT 7.6 How to use a tape drive ? 7.7 How to recover from an partially formatted disk? 7.8 What about the ZIP drive? 7.9 How to partition a 4GB drive 7.10 How to mount/ignore a disk during boot 7.11 Can't read multisession CD-ROMs! 8 Printing 8.1 What printers (laser or otherwise) may be used with NEXTSTEP? 8.2 What fonts can I use with NEXTSTEP? 8.3 How can I save my printable documents to a postscript file? 8.4 How can I print only the even or odd pages of a document? 8.5 How do I get banner pages on my printer output? 8.6 How do I get [la]TeX files to print correctly on non-NeXT printers? 8.7 What if I have a PostScript font has not been ported to NEXTSTEP? 8.8 What color printers (laser or otherwise) may be used with NEXTSTEP? 8.9 How can I make the Page Layout default to A4 in all applications? 8.10 /usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pstf: syntax error at line 31: `end of file' unexpected? 8.11 How to get TeX with NEXTSTEP to make proper fonts for a 600 dpi laserwriter? 8.12 How to get printer description files (PPD)? 8.13 What are the Canon part numbers for ink cartridges equivalent to those NeXT's Color Printer uses? 8.14 JetPilot does not work with my JetDirect box, why? 8.15 powering down NeXTprinter during bootup, printer still works 8.16 How to set up the HP LaserJet 4M? 8.17 Laserwriter NTX & NEXTSTEP 8.18 Problems with gray levels in printout 8.19 Can't print using additional fonts 9 Obsolete but still interesting? 9.1 Where can I get NeXT paraphernalia? 9.2 Is there any way to change the text in the title bar of a terminal window? 9.3 I can't get my pictures in OmniWeb 9.4 How do I remap the and | keys on my keyboard? 9.5 How do I stop NeXTMail/Sendmail adding &Mcirc;s onto the end of lines? 9.6 Why does NEXTSTEP 1.0 hang a few seconds after attempting to boot? 9.7 Modem hangs under NS2.0 by incoming calls 9.8 NS2.0 doesn't recognize /LocalApps path _________________________________________________________________ This document was converted from LaTeX using Karl Ewald's latex2html. The NEXTSTEP/OpenStep FAQ ! to the table of contents _________________________________________________________________ 1 INTRODUCTION 1.1 About this FAQ These are the frequently asked questions concerning NeXT, NeXTSTEP or any other NeXT related topics. This compilation is meant primarily as a service to the (comp.sys.next and de.comp.sys.next) community. NeXT Software,Inc. is a privately hold company, heading towards software business. It sells NEXTSTEP its award winning OS and several other software packages (most included with NEXTSTEP): EOF, NEXTSTEP Developer, WebObjects, NetInfo, ... With the coming 'open' version of NEXTSTEP, which is named OpenStep and will run not only on top of Mach (as NEXTSTEP does) but also on Solaris, Windows NT, Windows 95, HP-UX. The user of NeXT's software is confronted with a wide range of different software and hardware. To help in the unaware user, this FAQ was founded. But also professional users might find some interesting information, which they didn't knew already. Note the NEXTSTEP and OpenStep questions often concern related topics like Objective-C, UNIX, administration tasks, etc. for which already separate FAQs do exist. See the new.answers newsgroup for additional FAQs, if your problem isn't covered by this FAQ. 1.2 Submissions As with all FAQs the quality of the information provided here is mostly depending on the Usenet community, which in most cases serves for the information resource. Feel free to e-mail the FAQ author to contribute, or send error reports. If you contact the author, use the following subject for submissions: FAQ submission. To report errors use: FAQ error. Additionally you might want to add the chapter where the submission/error report belongs to. 1.3 Availability This FAQ is published monthly in the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups and in the near future news.answer. It may be downloaded via FTP from ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Documents/faq/. Special additions for redistributors and homeusers do exist. This FAQ may be accessed only through Peanuts as well: http://peanuts.leo.org/ In the near future we want to implement an e-mail service for those who don't have access to news. You may add yourself to the mailinglist by sending an e-mail with subject: FAQ mailme. Note that this service isn't available, yet completely, because there is too little interested. However I keep a list of all the registered people and they will still receive e-mail copies. 1.4 Copyright This FAQ is copyrighted by Bernhard Scholz. (Internet e-mails: scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Mentioned trademarks belong to their holder and are not explicitly listened. We do not collect any royalties, charge any fees, or compensate anyone in connection with this endeavor, but of course we would be happy about each e-mail commenting on the FAQ, about pizzas (lasagne is accepted, too :-) ), postcards, ... Anyway we reserve a copyright on the the published information in this FAQ. Any questions concerning other redistribution should be send to the author of the FAQ. Reprinting of this FAQ, even in parts, is prohibited without permission by the author except for printings for private use. Newsletter editors wishing to excerpt from this work for publication should consider using local electronic bulletin boards to disseminate this information rather than preparing hardcopies. This allows for readers to access the most recent information, and perhaps save a couple of trees. 1.5 Disclaimer Of course there is no warranty in any case using the information provided here. We haven't tested the information to be correct. We are not affiliated with any of the companies mentioned in this FAQ. 1.6 Thanks Especially we want to thank the Usenet community for contributing to the FAQ and all the people who have written us. Then I want to thank the people who worked on the FAQ before I did take them over (in order of working): Pascal Chesnais and Erik Kay, Nathan F. Janette, Maximilian Goedel (never released anything but cleaned up some things for me). Thanks also to Karl Ewald, who contributed his latex2html Perl script which replaced the non working original latex2html version. 2 GENERAL INFORMATION General information 2.1 Information available but not in the written FAQ version pinout patches There is additional information available for the following topics: mouse pinouts, monitor cable pinouts, common addresses, mousepointer patch, windowmanager patch. These inforamations are not included in the written FAQ, because they are considered rarely referenced resources and of not much use for the written FAQ. However you'll get these information when you download the whole FAQ via FTP or HTTP as a package for your computer. Please look at http://peanuts.leo.org/faq/ for further information. 2.2 Where to get answers? If you run into a problem, first read the FAQ of course :-) Second you might consider asking NeXT directly through the electronic service: nextanswers@next.com. Send an e-mail with subject: ascii help index to start. If all fails, post to the newsgroups concerning NeXT related topics: comp.sys.next.*, de.comp.sys.next. 2.3 How may I contact NeXT, Inc.? Next, Inc. Contacting NeXT, Inc. Address of NeXT, Inc. NeXT, Inc. can be reached under the following addresses. USA: NeXT, Inc. 900 Chesapeake Drive Redwood City, CA 94063 Voice: 800-848-NeXT (Redwood City #) Voice: (415)-366-0900 Japan: NeXT marketing div. of Canon - Japan Phone: (81)-44-549-5295 Fax: (81)-44-549-5462 EUROPE: Munich: Phone: (49)-89-996-5310 UK: Technology House Meadowbank Furlong Road Bourne End Bucks SL8 5AJ Phone: (44)-1628 535222 Fax: (44)-1628 535200 Note: numbers abroad are listed with the country codes first. You will need to dial the international access number of your long distance carrier before proceeding to dialing the country code, area code and phone number. 2.4 FTP servers FTP Software The FAQ mentions a lot of software packages which you might find useful. In general there are two big sites serving Europe and the US. These sites keep most of the software available and do mirror themselves to keep up to date (although the structure of the archive differ). If the software isn't on one of these sites, the appr opriate site is listed in the text. If you get slow connections you might want to consider contacting a mirror of the both sites. For the Peanuts archive (Europe) the WWW pages http://peanuts.leo.org give you links to an updated list of mirrors and other FTP sites. The addresses are: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/ (formerly the ftp.cs.orst.edu archive) ftp://peanuts.leo.org/ (Peanuts archive in Europe) ftp://ftp.evolution.com/ (Peanuts mirror USA) ftp://ftp.eunet.ch/ (Peanuts mirror Switzerland) 2.5 Software on CD There are currently two CD (sets) which serve you with NEXTSTEP/OpenStep software: Nebula. Nebula is published by Walnut Creek and mostly contains actual recompiled software for all supported hardware platforms. It might be the best choice for those who don't own a compiler. A big font collection and a developer section complete the disk. http://www.cdrom.com/ Peanuts Archive Disks. The Peanuts FTP Archive in Munich distributes their complete NEXTSTEP/OpenStep archive on CD. This currently brings you 4CDs full with software. Although the software isn't compiled for each hardware (it is provided 'as uploaded') it is the most complete software and information resource available on CD. (It includes the NeXTanswers published by NeXT). http://peanuts.leo.org/, cdrom@peanuts.leo.org Fatted Calf CD-ROM. The Fatted Calf CD-ROM is published by Ensuing Technologies, LasVegas, Nevada. Currently I don't know it's special contents. Big Green CD. Selected software for NEXTSTEP. Also this software is on any other CD, too. It might be a good startes collection. http://skylee.com/BGCD.html, ack@skylee.com Font Garden for NEXTSTEP CDROM. Some more fonts for computers running NEXTSTEP. These fonts should be capable of the NEXTSTEP encoding sheme. However we got noticed that only very few are ISO-LATIN_1. So it is possible of most interested to English speaking countries. http://www.cdrom.com/ Clips for QuickTime. Quicktime is NeXT's native format for movies, so some samples might be quite nice. Note: On the latest Peanuts Archive, you'll get about 200MB of quicktime movies which might be enough, too. http://www.cdrom.com/ 2.6 What is the current status of NEXTSTEP/OpenStep? status, NEXTSTEP status, OpenStep The third production version 3.3, has been released for Intel Processors (i486 and higher) as well as for NeXT hardware (not manufactured any longer but still supported), HP workstations and Sun workstations. OpenStep versions are announced and will be available this year (1996) for Windows NT, Windows 95, Mach, Solaris and hopefully HP-UX. The status for DEC machines and their OS (OSF/1, OpenVMS) is unknown. At least it is uncertain that there will be a port to OSF/1 or even OpenVMS, because DEC is doing the port alone. At least you can run OpenStep on DEC machines running Windows NT in the near future. For Sun's Solaris systems OpenStep will probably be part of the NeoDesktop. There will be no NEXTSTEP 4.0, because NeXT changed the naming conventions. NEXTSTEP 4.0 (also sometimes referenced as 'Mecca') is now named 'OpenStep for Mach' 2.7 Will there be a public implementation of OpenStep? Yes, there is a project by GNU. The so named GNUStep is available in pre-alpha state from the archive sites. Be aware that it is not fully functional and currently requires Motif. In its current state, GNUStep is on it's way to port the FoundationKit completely. This alone makes it worth to give it a try. 2.8 Are there differences between Openstep for Mach and other implementations? Yes there are. OpenStep for Mach will include all the well known features from NEXTSTEP (Services, Filters, SoundKit, ...) which the other implementations will lack, due to the underlying OS. To get all the benefits which is offered in NEXTSTEP today, you need to go for OpenStep for Mach. 2.9 What information is available by NeXT information NeXT NeXT, Inc. now operates an automatic e-mail response system. Send e-mail to "nextanswers@next.com" with the subject "ascii help index" to start. If you do have access to the world wide web, you even want to try the following URL: http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/. 2.10 What is the correct spelling? NeXT did (and probably will) change their naming conventions a lot. E.g. NEXTSTEP is the current correct spelling for their operating system. With the shipping of OpenStep, there will be no more NEXTSTEP, but OpenStep for Mach/Solaris/HP-UX/Windows95/Wind owsNT. Incorrect spellings are: NeXTSTEP, NeXTstep, NeXTStep. A common shortcut used in the newsgroups is: NS for NEXTSTEP. 2.11 How do I start an official NeXT User Group? NUG user groups NeXT user groups To start a user group, just send e-mail to user_groups@next.com. 2.12 Are there differences in the NEXTSTEP implementations? No, there are no differences beside the DSP, which is a hardware feature of NeXT computers. On other hardware platforms you have to buy additional hardware. 2.13 What are the names of the ftp sites that have NeXT-related files? FTP, servers There are too many to list them all, so are here are just a few. NEXTSTEP: cs.orst.edu ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (peanuts) nova.cc.purdue.edu sonata.cc.purdue.edu umd5.umd.edu ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de MIT GNU: aeneas.mit.edu MIT X: export.lcs.mit.edu music: princeton.edu 2.14 Additional information sources Additional information Information, additional Every NeXT machine owner has access to manuals to a degree. Network and System Administration (NSA), for example contains answers to many of the questions asked to comp.sys.next. Some of the important man pages are reproduced in the NSA as appendices. User manuals were shipped with every NeXT. Additional copies available from NeXT (N6002/N6003/N6014/N6026) $25. The following books are available directly from NeXT: * Operating System Software * NeXTstep Concepts * NeXTstep Reference, v. 1 * NeXTstep Reference, v. 2 * Development Tools * Sound, Music, and Signal Processing: Concepts * Sound, Music, and Signal Processing: Reference * Writing Loadable Kernel Servers * Technical Summaries * Supplemental Documentation Unix man pages, which are included in the online docs. BSD unix documentation (MISC, PS1, PS2, SMM, USD). Available from to USENIX site members. A lot of this has been integrated into the NeXT documentation. Some of this is sorely missing. The SMM Unix System Manager's Manual is really useful! USENIX Association 2560 Ninth Street, Suite 215 Berkeley, CA 94710 USA +1 510 528 8649 fax +1 510 548 5738 office@usenix.org * PS1 = Programmer's Supplementary Documents, Volume 1 * PS2 = Programmer's Supplementary Documents, Volume 2 * SMM = System Manager's Manual * USD = User's Supplementary Documents The SMM and the rest of the berkeley documentation are also available directly and for free via anon ftp e.g. from ftp.uu.net /packages/bsd-sources/share/doc. To format them properly for viewing and printing on the NeXT use nroff with the package indicated by the file suffix (e.g. to format the documentation file 0.t use nroff -mt 0.t). Adobe documentation. Available machine-readable by e-mail from ps-file-server@adobe.com. Hardcopy available from Adobe Developer Support Line +1 415 961-4111 for a nominal charge. NeXT last shipped these as part of the 1.0a release; hardcopies appeared in 0.9 Technical Documentation, were omitted in 1.0, and have returned in updated form in Supplemental Documentation of the 2.0 Tech Docs (which is not available on-line). Get NextAnswers for Digital Librarian from NeXT. The current versions are actually on ftp.next.com or available via the mailserver at nextanswers@next.com. Get NeXT Support Bulletin from the archives. It is meant for support centers. Another good source of information is the archives of previously posted notes from the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups. Note that since the split of comp.sys.next, there is a group archive maintained at peanuts.leo.org:/pub/comp/sys/next/. NeXTstep Advantage book is available electronically from the archive servers. The file name is NeXTstepAdvantage.tar.Z; (its compressed size is about 1.3 megabytes; uncompressed, it's about 9.5 megabytes). It is a good introduction to the NeXT programming environment. 2.15 How to get FTP files via e-mail. FTP, e-mail access Some ftp sites are configured as an e-mail archive server. This means you can upload and download files via e-mail. Send mail to: archive-server@cc.purdue.edu ------------- mail-server@cs.tu-berlin.de (with the subject line help and you will get a complete description of this service) Submissions: Mail should be sent to archive-server@cc.purdue.edu with the subject of 'submission' (no ticks) if a person is submitting material to the archives. They need to include a 1-2 sentence description of the submission, the OS release the product runs on, and if it is source, binary, newsletter, etc. 2.16 References on Objective C Objective-C, documents Objective-C and other useful Object-oriented programming references: Budd, Timothy, An Introduction to Object-Oriented Programming (Addison-Wesley) [It discusses Smalltalk, Object Pascal, C++ and Objective-C] Cox, Brad J., Object Oriented Programming: An Evolutionary Approach ISBN 0-201-10393-1. (Addison-Wesley) [Note: 2nd edition - ISBN is 0-201-54834-8 and has coauthor A.J. Novobilski] Huizenga, Gerrit, Slides from a short course on Objective-C available via anonymous ftp from: sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/docs/ObjC.frame.Z, ObjC.ps.Z, or OldObjC.wn.tar.Z Meyer, Bertrand, Object-Oriented Software Construction (Prentice-Hall). NeXT Technical Documentation Pinson and Weiner, Objective-C: Object-Oriented Programming Techniques (Addison-Wesley). 350 pages, ISBN 0 201 50828 1, paperback. User Reference Manual for Objective-C which is available from Stepstone Corporation. (203)426-1875. Note: There are some differences between Stepstone's Objective-C and NeXT's. 2.17 How to contact music interested people. Music, contacts Since NeXT has become for now the platform of choice for much of the computer music composition and research community, the newsgroup comp.music is one good place to find people with information and interest in music on the NeXT. There is also a mailing list specifically for NeXT music. For posting to the dist list: nextmusic@horowitz.eecs.umich.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change addresses, etc.: nextmusic-request@horowitz.eecs.umich.edu 2.18 How to announce upcoming events Announcements Please send any announcements of upcoming NeXT-related events to next-announce@digifix.com These events will be posted to comp.sys.next.announce. Be sure to send your announcement in plenty of time to have it posted prior to the event. One to two weeks in advance would be a good idea. Since postings will be carried across many networks, commercial announcements may be edited down to reflect network usage policies. Look for current guidelines posted weekly in the newsgroup. 2.19 Can I mix different hardware running NEXTSTEP? NeXT, networking Networking Of course! NEXTSTEP is design to plug and play with existing NeXT installations. NeXT has addressed interoperability between NEXTSTEP systems in the following ways: * NEXTSTEP systems share identical networking capabilities. * NEXTSTEP systems share the same Distributed Objects. * NEXTSTEP systems use the same system and network administration services. * NEXTSTEP systems use the same mass storage format. Yes, you can take a external SCSI drive, removable media (e.g. Bernoulli etc) or floppy disk and use it interchangeably between NeXT Computers running NEXTSTEP. 2.20 Can I exchange software running on different hardware? With the shipping of NEXTSTEP 3.x binaries are distributed FAT. This means, that a binary might include different versions of the executable for each hardware platform NEXTSTEP is running on. On the archive sites you might easily recognize the supported h ardware by a key letter: N = NeXT computers, I=Intel based, H=HP hardware, S=Sun hardware. A FAT binary is runable by every supported hardware listed in the binary file. NeXT ships tools to examine such a fat binary and to add/strip different hardwa re modules to/from a binary. The correct spelling for a fat binary is: MAB binary (multi architecture binary) but most commonly 'fat' is used. With the shipping of OpenStep this will change. OpenStep applications are only sourcecode compatible and have to be recompiled for each architecture. This implies that you need a compiler for future PD/SW/FW-software, although OpenStep for Mach will still support FAT binaries and NEXTSTEP 3.x applications will continue to run under OpenStep for Mach. 3 WHAT IS ... What is ... This chapter tries to give you some overview over NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP software and related software. For a detailed description you should contact the producer's WWW server. E.g. for more information about OPENSTEP contact http://www.next.com/ 3.1 NEXTSTEP NEXTSTEP NEXTSTEP is a complete development and user environment by NeXT it provides an unique GUI (graphical user interface), which currently gets copied by several other OS provider like Microsoft, combined with the currently most advanced and tested OS, named Mach. NeXT applied several changes to the Mach kernel to add special features which makes NEXTSTEP unique. NEXTSTEP comes with a lot of development kits (bundles of classes to build on), like: Sound Kit, Indexing Kit, 3D Graphics Kit, Database or EOF Kit and Application Kit. Bundled with NEXTSTEP are several user applications which enhance the daily use dramatically: NeXTMail (a MIME compatible mail application), Edit (a simple but powerful editor), FaxReader (for reading incoming faxes, you are able to send faxes from every application which supports printing), DigitalWebster (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary and Collegiate Thesaurus), Digital Librarian (indexing and full text search utility, usable over groups of files) Preview (a PostScript and TIFF display utility), Terminal (UNIX terminal application for VT100 and TN3270 emulation), TeX (a well known compiler for formatted text), SYBASE and ORACLE adapters (to contact to SYBASE and ORACLE databases within EOF applications). One special thing about NEXTSTEP is the display system. NeXT uses DPS (Display Post Script), which gives you true WYSIWYG on every NEXTSTEP system. The window server supports PostScript Level II, Interactive RenderMan and Photorealistic RenderMan (an distributed engine for fast high quality rendering, based on Pixar's RenderMan). To be used in networks, NEXTSTEP supports NFS, NetInfo, Novell Netware (as client only), Ethernet and Token Ring and different filesystems (Mac, DOS, ISO 9660, High Sierra, Rock Ridge). For multimedia purposes NeXT uses Lempel-Ziv compression for text, Audio Transform Compression for Sound (comparable to Sony MiniDisc), JPEG for TIFF and Group 4 for Fax. Of course these are only standard modes and NEXTSTEP is extensible to use other methods too. For system administration (remember that NEXTSTEP is using Mach as an UNIX derivate), NeXT supplies several administration applications which make it easy to configure NEXTSTEP as needed, like: SimpleNetworkStarter, UserManager, PrintManager, NFSManager, HostManager, NetInfo Manager, BuildDisk, Upgrader and the complete documentation and manual pages online. 3.2 Mach Mach Mach is the the basic OS layer NeXT uses for NEXTSTEP. It is a micro kernel, which means it is extensible at runtime. Micro kernel often stands for a small kernel size, too, but due to the compatibility to BSD 4.3 Mach is currently about 1MB in size. Features of Mach are: loadable kernel services (extensions during runtime), different scheduling algorithms, an advanced messaging system, an advanced memory allocation mechanism (copy on demand, world wide message broadcasting), true multitasking, multi-threading and BSD compatibility. 3.3 OPENSTEP OPENSTEP OPENSTEP is the latest release of NeXT's NEXTSTEP with the ability to be OS independent (NEXTSTEP depends on Mach). OPENSTEP is currently available for Mach, Windows NT and Solaris and will get available for other operating systems in the future. The architecture of OPENSTEP was made public in late 1995 and since then GNU is working on a public port of OPENSTEP to e.g. X11 based UNIX systems. To express the new standard, 'OPENSTEP/Mach' is now the correct spelling for the formerly named NEXTSTEP product by NeXT, but it is known that NeXT itself is still using the same version numbering scheme for at least the Mach product line, so the first release of OPENSTEP for Mach is equivalent to NEXTSTEP 4.0 and in fact the first OPENSTEP product is named 'OPENSTEP/Mach 4.0'. OPENSTEP is supposed to be an industry standard for developing object oriented, system independent, scalable solutions for client/server architectures. It was adopted by Sun, Hewlett Packard and Digital. It provides distributed applications through PDO (Portable Distributed Objects) and D'OLE (Distributed OLE) based on CORBA. The usage of EOF supplies object persistence with traditional relational databases. And finally with WebObjects, objects are accessible through the internet or in your own private network. OPENSTEP, like NEXTSTEP 3.3 provides several kits for software developers like: Application Kit and Foundation Kit as well as Display PostScript. Applications written for OPENSTEP are sourcecode compatible to all other architectures running OPENSTEP, although fat binaries are only available under OPENSTEP for Mach (because the binary format is depending on the operating system). For the NEXTSTEP user OPENSTEP doesn't take away old known features. In addition with OPENSTEP for Mach you get Mach enhancements, an enhanced workspace manager, Perl5, TaylerUUCP, PPP and Samba. Old applications will continue to run under OPENSTEP for Mach and need to be recompiled to run under Windows NT, Solaris, and other OPENSTEP platforms. Which goes side by side to become true OPENSTEP applications- The following are some new advantages/disadvantages over the known NEXTSTEP product: * documented NEXTIME library for developing * faster message handling * handling of disks >2GB in automatically. Paritioning size is still limited to 2GB. * no Novell Netware support (supposed to be included with OPENSTEP 4.1) * Renderman still included * Indexing Kit available by third party (MiscKit) * no more POSIX! (Hopefully included again in OPENSTEP 4.1) 3.4 Objective-C Objective-C To develop applications NeXT uses Objective-C as its native programming language. Objective-C is a more strict OO language then C++ but covers C as well as C++. Because NeXT uses the GNU C/C++ compiler, you go with the most spreaded and tested C compiler available for most UNIX platforms of today. (Of course you can use Objective-C on every platform on which gcc is available). Objective-C is different to other languages in the way it executes code. Objective-C uses a runtime library to dynamically access objects at runtime. This allows you to change objects at runtime etc. All this goes with nearly no speed penalty, because hashing mechanisms are used to access the different methods of an object. There is also ObjC which is an different product, available as a commercial compiler for different operating systems. Don't mix up things by using the expression ObjC instead of Objective-C. For shortcut purposes the NeXT community also uses the term ObjC/Obj-C but of course thinks of Objective-C by NeXT. Objective-C isn't standardized, yet. In Objective-C you are able to mix code. E.g. you can use C++ and C in any Objective-C program. Objective-C is a simple and concise object-oriented extension to ANSI-C. It has a runtime messaging facility and offers dynamic binding. Distributed objects are supported and the code is optimized for native compilations. It's syntax and programming technique is much like in SmallTalk. Using Objective-C you can even message objects in other applications, also over a network! 3.5 NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Developer NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Developer NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Developer is currently the only way to develop applications under NEXTSTEP because it includes all the necessary include files and libraries.(Of course you can get any GNU C version precompiled, but it won't help you without the include files and linker libraries). In addition to a precompiled GCC, include files and the linker libraries you will get the famous NeXT developer tools: ProjectBuilder (your commando center for building applications and managing sources), InterfaceBuilder (for designing the application's GUI and making object connections), an graphical addition to GDB (GNU Debugger) integrated in Edit (NEXTSTEP) or ProjectBuilder (OPENSTEP), MallocDebug (for seeking memory leaks), HeaderViewer (access class information in header files and in documented form in a browser), DBModeler (for building data models, based on Database Kit) (NEXTSTEP only), Yap (an interactive PostScript interpreter and viewer), IconBuilder (a very simple but extensible pixel-based editor for creating icons) and popular UNIX utilities like GNU Emacs, yacc, lex, vi... 3.6 D'OLE D'OLE D'OLE is a shortcut for Distributed OLE. OLE is Microsoft's standard for Object Linking and Embedding and is currently not distributable across platforms. With D'OLE you can distribute OLE objects across the network like e.g. in SOM by IBM. But D'OLE is more. It uses NeXT's object model PDO (Portable Distributed Objects) from Unix to Windows platforms and enables OLE objects to communicate with OPENSTEP objects natively, which means without changing the application. OPENSTEP objects behave like OLE objects and vice versa. D'OLE also supports EOF (Enterprise Objects Framework) which enables a distributed computing environment to access database and provides an infinitely flexible choice of application deployment of application deployment strategies. D'OLE uses the Foundation Framework, Distributed Object Framework and other core classes. It comes bundled with C/Objective-C compiler and GNU make, although Microsoft Visual C++ is required. Further you get a portable nmserver, Mach emulation and on-line documentation. 3.7 PDO --- Portable Distributed Objects PDO PDO is a shortcut for Portable Distributed Objects. In the near future PDO will become CORBA 2.0 compliant. It is the industry's first product to provide a heterogeneous client/server framework on objects. With PDO it is possible to deploy objects on non-NEXTSTEP server Machines and therefore deployed anywhere in a network, wherever they are most appropriate for a task. PDO encapsulates low-level network protocols, making messaging a remote object as straightforward as messaging a local object. You even don't have to learn new programming tools or techniques, because PDO is a subset of NeXT tools and objects. Because PDO makes object location completely transparent to the application, the application communicates with every object the same way regardless wether it is local, in the local network or anywhere in the world. Because of the free location of objects, objects may get moved to other locations, e.g. to optimize performance, without modification of the application using it. PDO also runs on non-NEXTSTEP servers. It comes with it's own set of classes, libraries and even an Objective-C++ compiler, etc. Neverless you can build, maintain, etc. from any NEXTSTEP client connected to a PDO server. The tools used for building the final objects however are native to the server's OS. PDO comes with Foundation Framework, Distributed Objects Framework, DOEventLoop and other core classes. Bundled tools are: Objective-C++ compiler, GDB, libg++, GNU make, Portable BuildServer, Portable nmserver, Mach Emulation, NEXTSTEP's default system, on-line documentation. Currently supported platforms are: HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, Digital UNIX. 3.8 EOF --- Enterprise Objects Framework EOF EOF is the latest replacement for the DatabaseKit and available as an extra product. EOF bridges the gap between objects and relational databases. With EOF you can bring the advantage of object oriented design etc. to applications which use relational databases. (Therefore you don't need an object oriented database!) EOF clarifies many things. It supports a three-tier client/server architecture by separating the user interface, business objects and the database. In fact you can simply exchange the database (by changing the adapter) and still use the same application! Developing under EOF doesn't limit you to e.g. Objective-C. EOF allows the integration of e.g. 4GL code as well as SQL etc. all combined under the advantage of NeXT's developer tools. EOF includes client and server software. It consists of the Enterprise Object Modeler, runtime libraries and adapters for SYBASE,ORACLE and Informix (other adapters available from the DBMS producers). It currently runs under HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, Digital UNIX and always requires PDO. For client use you additionally need NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. 3.9 WebObjects WebObjects WebObjects helps you building dynamic Web pages. It is targeted to the server side of the Web and there mostly to the intranets, also most people might find it very useful for the Internet, too. It is operating system independent and runs under Windows NT, Solaris, HP-UX, Digital UNIX and NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. WebObjects contains development tools to build components for your application logic, as well as a set of reusable components to manage the rendering of your application. Because WebObjects is Java compatible, you even can integrate Java applets in your application today. It supports the standard http servers which have to support CGI or NSAPI interface. WebObjects supports database access to Informix, Oracle, Sybase and DB/2. What's unique about WebObjects is the ability to share the logic of your Web application and your data with other internal applications. It means that you are not required to maintain a dedicated database or write specific application code for your Web application. Currently there are three versions of WebObjects: WebObjects, WebObjects Pro and WebObjects Enterprise. WebObjects itself is freely available to anybody interested in. WebObjects Pro contains PDO and WebObjects Enterprise contains PDO and EOF with a special license to connect to the Internet. But because WebObjects is a brand new product, look at http://www.next.com/WebOjects/ for further information. WebObjects is free for academic usage. 3.10 WWW Browser WWW Browser Browser OmniWeb NetSurfer SpiderWoman NetScape First: There is no Java capable browser. Several NEXTSTEP browsers are available for NEXTSTEP. The currently most advanced browser is named 'OmniWeb'. OmniWeb is commercial in the way that you need a license to use it in a network. A single user license is free. OmniWeb seems to be continuesly updated and support is known to be good. OmniWeb is also supporting a lot of well known Netscape features. There is also a public domain WWW browser named 'SpiderWoman'. It's plus is the NEXTSTEP look and feel (e.g. you navigate through the Web like you navigate your filesystem with WorkspaceManager). Anyway SpiderWoman is somehow unstable and it seems as if development stopped. Another commercial browser is NetSurfer. Demos are available on the ftp sites. This browser is preferred by several people because it integrates ftp access very well. Anyway you have to pay for it. Netscape isn't available for NEXTSTEP and is unlikely to be ported. 3.11 Newsreader Newsreader Alexandra NewsGrazer NewsFlash RadicalNews There are currently four well known newsreaders for NEXTSTEP. First there is Alexandra, a public domain newsreader and second there is NewsGrazer (and unsupported NeXT product). You should test them to get your personal favorite. The only real difference is the support of NEXTSTEP 3.3J (Japanese) and flatfiles in NewsGrazer, while the interface in Alexandra seems to be better for many people. NewsFlash is a commercial product which adds several features. As RadicalNews it supports article threading, automated posting and extraction of multi-part files. Demos are available on the ftp sites. E-mail inquiries should go to support@wolfware.com. Further info is available at: http://www.wolfware.com/ RadicalNews is a commercial newsreader. It supports true article threading, quoted text highlighting, japanese and Latin-1 support, URL-support, an interface to Digital Librarian, a sophisticated coloring scheme and much more. Info is available at: http://www.radical.com/. A note to both commercial versions: the community is very splitted about which version is to prefer. In general it seems as if there are no really 'killer features' so it prefers much to personal taste. Demos are available and don't forget to test the free versions, too! 4 MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION Misc Various Unsorted 4.1 How do I get pictures of people from remote sites to appear in Mail.app and NewsGrazer? Pictures, in Mail Pictures, in NewsGrazer Mail, remote Pictures Newsgrazer, remote Pictures You can do this in the following ways. * Mail In /LocalLibrary/Images/People put a tiff (64x64) in the form of person@remote.site.domain.tiff (all lowercase). In /LocalLibrary/Images/People/passwd add an entry for the person: person@remote.site.domain:*:-2:-2::/nodir:/noshell (person and sitename need to be all lowercase as well) In the future anytime you get mail from the person their picture should appear. You can include an "aliases" file in /LocalLibrary/Images/People too. This allows you to use the same picture for somebody that might send you mail from accounts on many different sites, or for those people whose letters use several different routings. To do this, you include entries in this local aliases file like so: bkohler@ucrac1.ucr.edu:bkohler.gonzo.ucr.edu gonzo.ucr.edu!bkohler@uupsi2.uucp:bkohler.gonzo.ucr.edu There should then be a .tiff file called bkohler.gonzo.ucr.edu.tiff. There can be no CAPITAL LETTERS in this file. So even if the address in the From: field looks like gonzo.ucr.edu!bkohler@uupsi2.UUCP, keep the letters lowercase in the aliases file. As always, you have to restart Mail before these changes take effect. * NewsGrazer In /LocalLibrary/NewsGrazer/People put a tiff (64x64) in the form of person.remote.site.domain (all lowercase). This is a different naming convention from what Mail uses. There is a large archive of some 4000 or 5000 pictures prepared for this purpose. The name of this archive is Faces3.tar.Z and it is about 4.1 MBytes large. Currently it is available from several anonymous ftp sites (e.g. sonata.cc.purdue.edu in: /pub/next/graphics/Images/icons/people) That image archive also contains a script which automatically creates proper alias and passwd files. 4.2 How to manipulate and examine default settings * A command line utility for examining defaults is available from: sutro.sfsu.edu:/pub/wmdefaults1.0.tar.Z * A PD App, DefaultMgr.app, is available on the NeXT ftp archives. * A more brute approach (done by DefaultMgr.app): Start the application under gdb, and then try the following sequence of commands: break *0x500976a commands 1 silent printf "%s: ", *$a2 output {char *}(4+$a2) echo \n cont end run [Carl Edman ] adds: DefaultMgr.app doesn't any longer work properly under 3.0. It still is able to manipulate defaults but can't any longer "investigate" apps to find out which defaults they use. [eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)] adds: Needs to be revised for 3.x systems. wmdefaults is only for 2.x; it's not needed for 3.0 and later. 4.3 How do I run NextApps remotely? Remote running On the local machine make sure you have public window server access, this is set from the Preferences application. On the foreign NeXT machine run the application from a terminal window with the -NXHost . Both machines should be running the same version of NeXTstep. [shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman)] NeXTSTEP 3.1 and higher includes a demo application called OpenSesame that simplifies this. You can select a program in Workspace and use > Service > Open Sesame > Open on Another Host ...to launch a program on a remote machine. This is a way to run old, non-fat-binary software on new NeXTSTEP/Intel machines. 4.4 Why does UUCP hangs on outgoing connections after sending the password, but other communications software do not have a problem with it? UUCP What is happening is that the remote machine is waiting for you to end your login or password by typing a "Return" (aka &Mcirc; or CR or CARRIAGE RETURN). UUCP ends a line by sending a LineFeed (aka Ĵ or LF). Since UUCP doesn't send the CR, the login sequence is never completed, and you will usually get one of two error messages: wanted "password:" (means that username needs to end with a CR) imsg waiting for SYNC< (means that password needs to end with CR) So how do you get UUCP to send CR, instead of LF? End the send string with the sequence n c. For instance this line in L.sys will send a LF after login, but a CR after password. myfeed Any DIR 9600 cub "" ATTD19095551212 9600 \ "" ogin:--ogin: Unext ssword: secret\n\c 4.5 How do I access the NeXT's Digital Webster Dictionary from a program? Webster Get Jiro Nakamura's define program from the archiver servers: define.tar.Z. This will allow you to access the database from the command line. This program breaks under 3.x. For 3.x there are two other programs which might be useful: Webster.a5 and websterd. 4.6 How do I get the arrow keys to work in csh? csh, arrow keys This is for people who use a terminal app that does vt100 keyboard emulation - pasc First, add these lines to your .cshrc (preferably between the if and endif): set editmode=emacs set macrofiles=.macros Then create a file called .bindings and put in it: bind-to-key ExecuteNamedMacro '\e[' And, next, you need to make a file called ".macros". Using an editor like emacs (which can insert control characters using a &Qcirc; prefix), into this file put: A^@^@^@^A^P B^@^@^@^A^N C^@^@^@^A^F D^@^@^@^A^B where &@circ; means Control-@ and ƒ means Control-A, etc. Also, don't put in the leading spaces. This will set up the left and right arrows to move back and forth on the line, and the up and down arrows will cycle through your history. On Intel machines these sequences are a little different: A^A^@^@^@^P B^A^@^@^@^N C^A^@^@^@^F D^A^@^@^@^B Then source .cshrc and the changes should take effect. 4.7 What default affects menu location? Menu, location Do the following. dwrite GLOBAL NXMenuX <value> dwrite GLOBAL NXMenuY <value> 4.8 How to get Gourmet to boot up the Mathematica 2.0 kernel? Mathematica Login as root, or get root privileges running su, and execute the following five commands: mkdirs /NextApps/Mathematica.app/Kernel/NeXT cd /NextApps/Mathematica.app/Kernel ln -s uuuuu/Mathematica.app/Kernel/Display Utilities cd NeXT ln -s vvvvv/math mathexe where uuuuu is the directory where Mathematica was placed (typically, /LocalApps) and vvvvv is the directory where the executable math was placed (typically, /usr/local/bin) 4.9 Manipulating the Loginwindow loginwindow dwrites There are some for loginwindow: [Jess Anderson writes:] Here, I hope, is the quasi-definitive story on dwrites that affect the loginwindow. I'm indebted to several people, notably Art Isbell, Kristian Koehntopp, Dan Danz, Louie Mamakos, John Kheit, Felix Lugo, and Paul Sears, for some of the information presented here. Remember that dwrites are not supported by NeXT; they may change with any subsequent system release. These I've checked out using 3.0; some or all may work with earlier releases, but I can't vouch for most of them. All these dwrites must be done as root. You can also run as root and use DefaultMgr to set them (which is a whole lot more convenient if you're intending to fiddle with some of them). After setting the things you want, restart the WindowServer by logging out of the current session and typing exit on the login panel. OK, here's what we know (or think we do :-): dwrite loginwindow DefaultUser <login-name> Most new machines have set to me. This dwrite logs in user automatically. User must not have a password set, hence don't use this in a networked environment! dwrite loginwindow HostName "<host_name>" dwrite loginwindow HostName localhost These cause your host name to appear on the login panel. You need quote marks only if there's a space in the name. The first form hard-codes the name into root's defaults database. The second form uses whatever name has been set as localhost in NetInfo, which is convenient for networked machines. The font, size, color, and position of the printed string are not accessible (drat!). dwrite loginwindow ImageFile <path/to/a/suitable.tiff> This uses the tiff image pointed to instead of the standard one (in /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/English.lproj/nextlogin.tiff, .lproj as appropriate for your main language) as the login panel. Be sure you get the pointer right, though, or you'll have to boot single-user to fix it. In practical terms, the image is constrained in various ways I won't detail here. dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim <integer_number> No relation to the dim time set by Preferences. The units are odd, I think. Felix reported them as 1/34 second. However, when I changed it to 1020, I got 15 seconds to dimming, and 680 gives 10 seconds, that I'm sure of. So I think the units are 1/68 second. Maybe Felix just thought it was too damn long! We all know it seems longer when you're not having fun waiting. :-) Whatever, the login screen dims to about half after this length of time. dwrite loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES This causes the panel to move around approximately in Backspace bouncing-off-the-walls-tiff fashion. The point is to avoid burning the screen phosphors, as a static image would tend to do. The animation is controlled by the next couple dwrites. dwrite loginwindow MovementTimeout <real_number> The units are seconds. The panel starts moving (assuming the preceding is set to YES) after this time. If you set it to be less than the TimeToDim time, the movement starts before the dimming occurs. I did not try zero. I can't stand waiting around for things to happen, so I use 10 seconds for both times. The default appears to be 5 minutes. dwrite loginwindow MovementScale <integer_number> No movement occurs if this is set to 1. But it looks like the units might be approximately pixels for each change of position (the frequency of which is controlled by the next dwrite). If you put a big number here, say 200, the image moves in big jumps, but I don't know if the 200 is divided up somehow between change in x- and y-coordinates. I wouldn't worry about it much, just set it to something you like. Since my image contains readable text, I want it to scroll smoothly around, so I use the apparently minimum value, 2. The default appears to be 10. dwrite loginwindow MovementRate <real_number> The units are seconds. The image jumps by the amount above every this many seconds. The default is 0.0666 seconds. Bigger numbers mean slower motion. Since I don't like things being too jumpy or zooming around, I set this to 0.1 seconds. This makes my image ooze at a pace befitting an elderly person like me. dwrite loginwindow PowerOffDisabled YES This makes it a little harder to turn the machine off; you have to use the monitor or the minimonitor (- ) if it's set, rather than the key. dwrite loginwindow LoginHook <path/to/loginhook/executable> dwrite loginwindow LogoutHook <path/to/logouthook/executable> Pointers to the login and logout hooks, if used. It should be pointed out that some of these things (login/logout hooks, for example) are maybe more logically set where the loginwindow is invoked by the WindowServer, namely /etc/ttys. There are yet others. Here's the full list (thanks, Art): NXGetDefaultValue("loginwindow", "DebugHook") => 0x0 NXGetDefaultValue("loginwindow", "DryRun") => 0x0 NXGetDefaultValue("loginwindow", "WindowServerTimeout") => 0x0 NXRegisterDefaults("loginwindow", 0x16024) KeyMapPath: 0x12d97 "~/Library/Keyboards:/LocalLibrary/Keyboards:/NextLibrary/Keyboards" Keymap: 0x12de1 "/NextLibrary/Keyboards/USA" SwappedKeymap: 0x12e0a "No" LoginHook: 0x0 LogoutHook: 0x0 HostName: 0x0 ImageFile: 0x0 DefaultUser: 0x12e41 "me" PowerOffDisabled: 0x0 TimeToDim: 0x12e69 "2040" MoveWhenIdle: 0x12e0a "No" MovementTimeout: 0x12e8b "300.0" MovementRate: 0x12e9e "0.06666" MovementScale: 0x12eb4 "10" [Christopher J. Kane kane@cs.purdue.edu] Under NeXTSTEP 3.1, the login window has two buttons labeled "Reboot" and "Power" that allow a user to reboot and power down from the login window. In a public lab, this feature may be undesirable. The PowerOffDisabled default can be used to disable the buttons, but they are still shown in the window and push in when clicked (a bad user interface decision, IMHO). The program below patches loginwindow to eradicate the restart and power buttons. It makes the loginwindow's LoginButton class instance method initWithImage:altImage:andString: a no-op (just return nil). This patch has been applied to the machines in the NeXT lab at Purdue (like sonata.cc.purdue.edu for instance), and no adverse effects have been noted. This program must be run as root, since it writes to the file /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow. An archive with a compiled executable has been submitted to sonata.cc.purdue.edu. /* * Patches the loginwindow.app to eradicate the restart and power * buttons from the login window. * * Christopher J. Kane (kane@cs.purdue.edu) * Released into public domain; August 13, 1993. */ #include <libc.h> #include <errno.h> void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { unsigned char patch[8] = {0x0, 0x0, 0x42, 0x80, 0x4e, 0x5e, 0x4e, 0x75}; int file = open("/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow", O_WRONLY); if (-1==file) goto error; if (-1==lseek(file, 21170, SEEK_SET)) goto error; if (-1==write(file, patch, 8)) goto error; if (-1==close(file)) goto error; exit(0); error: fprintf(stderr, "%s: %s\n", argv[0], strerror(errno)); exit(1); } FAQ-Authors note: We strongly recommend to do a backup of the loginwindow application, because the patch alters the file directly and will most likely not work on different versions of the OS. 4.10 How does one set UNIX man pages to be viewed in nroff format with DL like the standard manual pages in NS2.x? man pages, NS2.x Beyond looking in the man pages under ixBuild, etc., what you want to do is put a few files (contents listed below file name) the .index directory: .roffArgs: -man displayCommand: tbl %s | nroff -man ixBuildOptions: -fman -Nwhatis -Ncat[1-8ln] -V Other options that people suggested for ixBuildOptions: -fman -Nwhatis -Ncat[1-8] -V /usr/local/man -fman -Nwhatis -V /usr/local/man/man* I don't think you need to explicitly name the directory in the first alternative, but you do in the second unless you want the cat* directories indexed as well. Note: Do NOT leave a trailing return after the line in ixBuildOptions; DL will barf. (I think someone said that, as shipped, the standard man .index/ixBuildOptions had this problem.) [From: Eric D. Engstrom ] Can anyone tell me what the command line for this might be under NEXTSTEP 3.0? Short answer: RTM on ixbuild(1) - specifically the parameter "-g". In addition, I'd like to inform the newsgroup of a simple hack I setup on my own machine to create a unified DL target for all UNIX Manual pages (including system, local, gnu, whatever). This was easier under 2.x because IXBuild (pre IXKit) had more hacks in it... Basically, you need to setup a directory with sym-links to the various man-page directories; For example: (397)basilisk% pwd /LocalLibrary/Documentation/ManPages (398)basilisk% ls -alg total 728 drwxrwxr-x 2 eric wheel 1024 Mar 28 18:03 ./ drwxrwxr-x 11 root wheel 1024 Mar 27 00:41 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 eric wheel 370 Feb 27 22:01 .README -rw-rw-r-- 1 eric wheel 872 Feb 27 17:11 .dir.tiff -rw-rw-r-- 1 eric wheel 20 Feb 27 17:11 .displayCommand -rw-rw-r-- 1 eric wheel 47 Feb 27 17:10 .index.iname -rw-rw-r-- 1 eric wheel 6 Feb 27 17:10 .index.itype -rw-r--r-- 1 eric wheel 729088 Mar 28 18:44 .index.store -rw-rw-r-- 1 eric wheel 5 Feb 27 17:11 .roffArgs lrwxrwxrwx 1 eric wheel 18 Feb 27 17:53 gnu -> /usr/local/gnu/man/@ lrwxrwxrwx 1 eric wheel 14 Feb 27 17:53 local -> /usr/local/man/@ lrwxrwxrwx 1 eric wheel 9 Feb 27 17:53 news -> /news/man/@ lrwxrwxrwx 1 eric wheel 35 Feb 27 17:53 system -> /usr/man/@ Notice that I also copied all the .[a-z]* files from the /usr/man/ directory as well. Then, use ixbuild -gl to (re)build the index. If your any of the links point to directories on other devices, add "d" to "-gl". "-v" will give you verbose output (like my writing style ;-). RTM under ixbuild(1) for more info. Unfortunately, once the index is built, I've never successfully gotten DL to update it correctly. Instead I have to do it by hand using ixbuild -ogldvc (actually, I setup a cron job to reindex weekly.) If you have troubles, try removing the .index.store file and rebuilding the entire database. I've had intermittent problems with ixbuild under 3.0. 4.11 Appending a signature and addition headers to your e-mail .signature signature Mail There is a bundle for Mail to which, beside other features, allows you to add a .signature file to outgoing e-mails: EnhancedMail.bundle. This software package is available by the FTP archive sites. Here are other solutions which might serve you as well: [Carl Edman ] First create a simple text file the following content: #!/bin/sh { if test -r ${HOME}/.add-header; then cat ${HOME}/.add-header; fi cat - if test -r ${HOME}/.signature; then echo "--"; cat ${HOME}/.signature; fi }| /usr/lib/sendmail "$@" A good name for this file would be sendmail-addheader. If you want to and can install it for system-wide use put this file in e.g. /usr/lib. Otherwise your private /Unix/bin directory is also fine. Make certain that this file has execute permission. To set that, use e.g. chmod 755 /usr/lib/sendmail-addheader. Next, open up the preferences panel in Mail. Switch to the expert options. Change the Mailer option from /usr/lib/sendmail (which it should originally be) to /usr/lib/sendmail-addheader (or whatever the name of the file you created is). OK this and you should be set. From now on your file /.signature file should always be appended to all mail sent out with Mail.app. In addition if you have a file called add-header in your home-directory it should automatically be prepended to your outgoing mail. To implement a reply-to line, you would simply give it the following content: Reply-to: My Real Human Name <name@my.real.address> IMPORTANT: Make certain that you have one and exactly one newline at the end of /.add-header. Anything might break outgoing mail. Beware! BUG: The /.signature file is not added properly for NeXT mail containing attachments. The headers will still be added properly. This could be fixed but probably is more of a hassle than it is worth. [From: jbrow@radical1.radical.com (Jim Brownfield)] I have added a Terminal Service to terminal to add a signature file whenever I type "0" (command/zero), and I thought this might be of interest to people who read your FAQ. I have used this technique for over a year with no problems, and it has the advantage of working both with non-NeXT and NeXT Mail. First, you must create a file with your signature containing the characters "--" on the first line (there has been some discussion as to whether this should be "-- " ("--" followed by a blank), but my file only has the "--" as the first line. The rest of the file should contain your normal signature. If you place the file in your home directory, I recommend NOT using the filename ".signature" for this file since it may conflict with other programs (like NewsGrazer). I use the filename ".fullSignature". The file used for the signature should be ascii and not RTF to allow the file to be used for NeXT and non-NeXT mail. You can create a "Get signature" service by launching Terminal and accessing the "Terminal Services" window through the "Info/Terminal Services..." menu item. Then perform the following: 1. Create a new service by clicking on the "New" button. Change the service name to "Get signature". 2. Add the command "cat " and "0" (zero) to the "Command and Key Equivalent" entry. The "0" is obviously arbitrary, but I've found that it doesn't conflict with any of the commands I normally use. 3. De-select any items checked within the "Accept" grouping. Select the "As Input" radio button under the "Use Selection" section. 4. Change the "Execution" popup to "Run Service in the Background". Select the "Return Output" and "No Shell" radio buttons. 5. Click the "Save" button. Now, when you type "0" (actually, from any application), your signature will be added wherever your cursor is located (be careful not to have text selected as it will replace the selected text with your signature). I have found this to be very convenient for adding my .sig to outgoing mail. 4.12 How can I quickly find a file if I don't know its directory? searching, files find The Unix find command on the NeXT has the capability of quickly searching a database of all the files. This database is located in /etc/find.codes and has to be generated periodically. You can automatically generate this database, say twice a week at 3:15 a.m., by adding this line to your file /etc/crontab.local (you might have to create this file). 15 03 * * 2,5 root /usr/lib/find/updatedb > /usr/adm/updatedb.err After this has run, you can quickly find any file from a terminal by typing find where is a part of the file name you want (it is case-sensitive). [Carl Edman ] adds: Find still works under 3.0, but now has to match the entire filename (including the path) for a match to be recognized i.e. where under 2.x you would have find foobar, under 3.0 you have find '*foobar*' (The ' are necessary to prevent the shell from expanding the wildcards itself). [From: Geert Jan van Oldenborgh ] I find the following script in /usr/local/bin very handy to bring back the behavior that God Intended find to have: #!/bin/csh if ( $#argv == 1 ) then /usr/bin/find \*$1\* else set noglob /usr/bin/find $argv[1-] unset noglob endif 4.13 Mail.app suddenly stopped working! Mail, doesn't start When I double-click the Mail.app icon it loads and seems to start but then just terminates. How can I fix this ? Usually the problem is caused by Mail.app being terminated with extreme prejudice such as by a power outage or kill -9. Under those circumstances Mail.app may leave a lock file in your active mailbox. Due to a bug 3.0 Mail.app doesn't ask for permission to override this lock when started up again but just dies. Open a shell and look in /Mailboxes/Active.mbox. If this directory contains a file called .lock you have found the culprit. You can safely remove this file. 4.14 Recycler doesn't work anymore?! Recycler For some reason, after moving my home directory, my recycler no longer works? [From: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com (Eric D. Engstrom)] Basically, when you dump a file in the recycler, the workspace manager (attempts) to move it to one of the following locations: (note: no order implied here, because I'm unsure of the actual order used) - $HOME/.NeXT/.NextTrash (Should always exist; unsure what happens if it doesn't) - /tmp/.NextTrash_$USER Automatically created if non-existent) - $MNT-POINT/.NextTrash/$USER (.NextTrash NOT automatically created if non-existent) Also, the workspace requires that the trash directory into which it puts the to-be-deleted file be on the same disk partition that the file originally came from (for speed, I assume). Also, an example of the permissions for the external disk .NextTrash directory (which is not automatically created) should be : ls -aldg /private/mnt2/local/.NextTrash drwxrwxrwt [...] /private/mnt2/local/.NextTrash/ Note: /private/mnt2/local is the mount point. Do chmod 1777 .NextTrash to get the permissions right. Thus, if you moved your home directory from one partition to another, the one you left may not have a "recycler-repository" to use. 4.15 How to hear sound from CDPlayer.app thought NEXTSTEP system? digital audio CDPlayer To hear sound, the following info is important. [Carl Edman ] Hearing the sound directly on the NeXT can be done with the play3401 program from the archives if you have a Toshiba 3401 series drive. Theoretically this can also be done with NEC [78]4-1s and Apple CD 300s, though I know of no NeXT program which supports them. Most other drives (including the NeXT CD-ROM) just don't have the hardware to do it. There is another player available: CD_evil, which is based on play3401 but offers a GUI. FAQ-Authors note: On Intel system it's very easy: just connect the CD-Audio out (internal) to your CD-in of the soundcard (internal). Anyway there are problems with different drives. E.g. we know, that the Toshiba, Sony and Nec drives currently use the same instruction set to access audio data. So be aware that there are drives which simply can't be accessed through CDPlayer. 4.16 How do I decompress a file with the extension .compressed? .compressed compress uncompress gnutar tar gzip gunzip Do this with the following methods. [From: sanguish@digifix.com] .compressed files have been compressed in the Workspace Manager. Basically, they are just .tar.Z files. Even single files are tarred as well as compressed. There are several methods of decompressing these files. 1. They can be decompressed by selecting them in the Workspace, and Selecting uncompress from the file menu. 2. They can be decompressed by selecting them in the Workspace, and bringing up the Workspace Inspector. (You can double click to get there faster) 3. You can rename them to be .tar.Z and handle them the way you do them. FAQ-Authors note: use uncompress to access the .Z files and/or gunzip to access .z/.gz files. Use tar to access .tar files. You might also you gnutar to access both together, e.g. to access a .tar.gz at once. Read the man pages for more information. 4.17 How do I change the Workspace compression app? compress gzip gunzip dwrites Change it with the given method. [Stephen Peters ] You can change the tools that the Workspace uses to create and read its .compressed files by issuing the following commands in a terminal window: dwrite Workspace compress /usr/bin/gzip dwrite Workspace uncompress /usr/bin/gunzip dwrite Workspace AlwaysTarForCompress YES [Reuven M. Lerner reuven@the-tech.mit.edu] This is generally a good thing, except that people might follow your advice and then try to send NeXTmail to someone who is still using compress/uncompress. Changing Workspace/uncompress to gunzip isn't a problem, since it uncompresses all sorts of files, but people should be very careful not to change Workspace/compress to gzip unless they will only be dealing with other gzip-equipped users. 4.18 console: loginwindow: netinfo problem - No such directory. netinfo problem, /keyboard directory is missing. It's benign... but annoying. niutil -create . /keyboard Fixed in 2.1 and up. 4.19 Root login not possible on client machine root login A number of people have complained about the situation where root can log onto the configuration server, but not its clients. Login proceeds normally, then a window with "Workspace error Internal error (signal 10)" pops up. Other users are not affected. This scenario occurs with NetBooted clients that are not permitted root access to / via the server's /etc/exports file, either via an explicit root= option or (the most heinous) anon=0. For security reasons many sites will NOT want to permit such access. Note that what you're up against is only a Workspace Manager misfeature; there's no problem logging in as root on the real UNIX console, or logging in as a non-root user and then using "su" to obtain root privileges. Root access is needed to: * Log in a root Workspace. * Perform BuildDisk on a client. * Run the GuidedTour demo for the first time subsequent invocations will not autologin, but they will run just fine if you log in as NextTour (no password). It is not required to perform updates on the local NetInfo database, for any normal user operations, nor to run programs requiring root access on the server using -NXHost. 4.20 How to boot NEXTSTEP from the second (higher SCSI ID) HD? Boot, from higher SCSI ID Boot, from second drive Use the following command. bsd(1,0,0) -a which will then ask you for the drive to use as the root disk, or still easier, bsd(1,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd1 In the boot command the name of the bootfile can be replaced by '-'. This is very useful as the length of the bootcommand which can be stored in the permanent memory is very limited (on NeXT machines only). So the only way to eg. increase the number of buffers permanently to 128 in the boot command is to use the following boot command: sd- nbu=128 (sdmach nbu=128 would have been too long). 4.21 How to make swapfile shrink to the normal size? swapfile The swapfile is located in /private/vm. The only current way to make it shrink is to reboot the machine. See the man pages for swaptab for more information. Note, that putting a space after the comma in /etc/swaptab (lowat=,hiwat=) makes swapon ignore the hiwat entry. There is a short trick which seems to work for several people: type exit in the login panel. This will exit the window server and restart it immediatly. If you are lucky, this will reclaim some space. 4.22 Does netinfo work between machines running NEXTSTEP 2.x and 3.x? netinfo Yes. 4.23 Why does the console user "own" the external disk filesystem? filesystem, external You need an entry in /etc/fstab so the disk will be mounted at boot time, rather than being "automounted" when somebody logs in. Automounted disks are owned by whoever logged in, fstab-mounted disks are owned by root. Something like this: /dev/sd0a / 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 1 /dev/sd1a /Disk 4.3 rw,noquota 0 2 (assuming the external disk is to be mounted as /Disk) fstab should be niloaded into the Netinfo database if it contains any NFS mounts. 4.24 How to limit coredump sizes? coredump, size limit Limit it by the following command. This will work for apps running from a shell. limit coredumpsize 0 If your dock or workspace apps are dumping core, there's also: dwrite Workspace CoreLimit <bytesize> 4.25 What is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? buffers, ROM I know the ROM monitor only allows twelve characters, but I use something like this: bsd sdmach nbuf=xxx (NeXT machines only) Enter the hardware monitor. Hit 'p' to adjust the configuration parameters. It will respond: Boot command: ? Enter sd- nbu=xxx, where xxx is a number less than 256. 4.26 How can I change the mouse pointer shape and color? Maybe this could point you into the right direction. Pipe it to pft and see what happens.... %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 16 16 %%EndComments 0 0 16 16 Retained window dup windowdeviceround gsave 16 16 scale 16 16 4 [16 0 0 -16 0 16] {< ffffffff00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ffff0d0fffff0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ffff0d0f0d0fffff000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ffff0d0ffd0f0d0fffff00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 fffffd0ffd0ffd0ffd0fffff0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 fffffd0ff50ff50ff50ffd0fffff000000000000000000000000000000000000 fffff50ff50ff50ff50ff50ff50fffff00000000000000000000000000000000 fffff50fd00fd00fd00fd00fd00f908fffff0000000000000000000000000000 ffffd00fd00fd00fd00fd00fd00f908f908fffff000000000000000000000000 ffffd00fd00fd00f908f908fffffffffffffffffffff00000000000000000000 ffff908f908fffff00ff00ffffff000000000000000000000000000000000000 ffff908fffff0000ffff00ff00ffffff00000000000000000000000000000000 ffffffff00000000ffff00ff00ffffff00000000000000000000000000000000 ffff0000000000000000ffff00ff00ffffff0000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000ffff00ff00ffffff0000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000ffffffff00000000000000000000000000000000 >} false 3 alphaimage grestore gstate nextdict /_NXSharedGrayAlpha get NX_TwelveBitRGB 1 index setwindowdepthlimit windowdeviceround 0 0 16 16 5 4 roll 0 32 Copy composite nulldevice termwindow Maybe somebody wants to write some kind of "pointer editor"? There is also a commercial application named 'MouseMagic' which handles this and custom acceleration modes. 4.27 How do I customize BuildDisk to create a bootable disk of my own configuration? BuildDisk, customization The BuildDisk application is extremely limited in terms of the types of disks configuration it knows how to build. Essentially it "knows" about swapdisks, optical disks, 330 and 660 MB SCSI disks. If you wish to do custom configurations you should look at existing BLD script files in /etc/BLD.* There is a script which you can use to specify which BLD script you are using, which disktab entry, and other useful parameters in /usr/etc/builddisk Some things to note: * the fstab installed on the target disk is specified in the newclient command in the BLD script. standard fstabs are extracted from /usr/template/client/fstab.* * the BLD scripts do not put down a new boot block on the scsi disk, you may want to install one by hand using the /usr/etc/disk program. * some disks boot fine but NeXTstep comes up with a blank window and no login window. This is due sometimes to forgetting to install an accessible /NextLibrary/{Fonts,Sounds}. In general you need quite a lot of things to make a bootable disk. You can build a minimally usable bootable floppy (for crash recovery purposes). There is a modified version of builddisk (to make it support building floppies, a minimal change) and a BLD script to build the boot floppy available at cs.orst.edu in next/sources/Bootfloppy.tar.Z. (I put this together in response to several requests.) A newer version of Bootfloppy for 2.1 is on the archives as next/sources/util/Bootfloppy2.1.tar.Z. Also available from the archives is BootFloopy 3.x (for --- you guessed it --- NEXTSTEP 3.x). I might also add that one can improve on disk usage while enhancing functionality. BuildDisk (which is used by the various BootFloppy scripts) just copies the standard binaries for ls, mv, cp aso. from /bin. These binaries are statically linked as shipped by NeXT which makes them huge. (e.g. /bin/ls is 106496 bytes large. /usr/local/bin/gls with more features is just 16268 bytes). If you replace these binaries by the BSD or GNU equivalents you can save several hundred kBytes on your boot floppy. This extra diskspace can be used for tar, dump and more tools which makes the boot floppy actually usable. Tested. 4.28 Are there any more dwrites useful for the workspace, ...? dwrite, misc There a lot of dwrite useful for you. (self explanatory) dwrite Workspace compress /usr/bin/gzip dwrite Workspace uncompress /usr/bin/gunzip dwrite Workspace AlwaysTarForCompress Yes dwrite Workspace DockOrginX (some number) dwrite Workspace DockOrginY (some number) dwrite Workspace DockOffsetX -1057 (leftmost) dwrite Workspace DockOnTop (0 or 1 for true or false) dwrite appname NXCMYKAdjust YES dwrite Preferences 24HourClock yes 4.29 What is the @LongLink message from gnutar all about? @LongLink gnutar Because gnutar tries to be somewhat compatible to the old tar format, it can't store pathnames longer than 100 chars. In order to store files with longer names, it generates a special file entry containing just the longer filename. These are the long links you see. Nothing to worry about. 4.30 What stands the file .place3_0.wmd for? .place3_0.wmd The Workspace uses it to record the window attributes (sort order, view type, icon positions and so on) Switching the 'UNIX Expert' flag in UNIX Preferences panel off hides all files which start by '.'. 4.31 How to create transparent icons with IconBuilder IconBuilder icon, transparent If you are repainting an icon on the filesystem e.g. .dir.tiff make a copy and remove it first. Then reload the directory (the default icon gets shown). This is needed because the system caches icons. Now here comes how to create transparent backgrounds using IconBuilder: * Select Format->Document Layout (or New document layout) * 'Has alpha' must be checkedus * Open the color inspector * UNcheck 'paint in overlay mode' * Choose any color (I took white) * Set Opacity to 0 * Use Paintbucket to fill the whole icon * Now set Opacity back to 100 * Draw the icon What 'Paint in overlay mode… does, is that when checked, it will use both the alpha (opacity) of the existing pixel and the alpha selected in the color inspector and combine both into a new color. When unchecked the existing pixel will just be replaced with one using color and alpha as selected in the inspector. 4.32 How to access the MAC format of a mixed DOS/MAC CD-ROM Mac DOS CD-ROM Some CD-ROMs are using multiple fileformats to adress more people. This is done by putting two filesystems on the disk. With NEXTSTEP you are able to acess both. But what to do if the Workspace only shows you the DOS side of a disk, while the Mac side is often more convenient (due to e.g. long filenames). The solution is to change the priority the system is searching for a usable filesystem. You need to rearange the filesystems in /usr/filesystems to fit your needs. Here is how: * ls -lR /usr/filesystems shows the actual searching queue. * mv /usr/filesystems /tmp/filesystems to backup things * mkdir /usr/filesystems recreate the directory. * cp -p -r /tmp/filesystems/xx /usr/filesystems copy the filesystems in order of searching back to the default location. * chmod 4755 /usr/filesystems/xx.fs/xx.util reset SUID mode * reset the links in /usr/filesystems/DOS.fs/. 4.33 Is there a PPP for NEXTSTEP PPP There is a commercial PPP and a public domain PPP implementation. For the public domain PPP there is an additional FAQ available at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ The public domain PPP is based on the PPP-2.2 distribution. This distribution offers several enhancements over ppp-2.1.2. Especially noteworty is that it implements BSD packet compression. Using packet compression can lead to higher throughput than you get using compressing modems. The port works on Motorola, Intel (both Mux and NeXT supplied serial drivers), and HP systems running OS 3.2 and 3.3. It also works in conjunction with Black and White's NXFAX software. You may also want to join the mailing list for PPP. This will keep you informed of new releases and will provide an arena for discussing problems with the NeXT specific PPP port. To add yourself to the list (or for any other administrative requests), send an email message to: listproc@listproc.thoughtport.com requesting you be placed on the list. Make sure to include your proper return email address. To send mail to all the participants on the list, address your messages to: nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com 4.34 NIS and OpenStep NIX lookupd There's a new lookupd in OpenStep for Mach 4.0, which works a bit differently than the old lookupd. The new lookupd has a number of "agents" that do lookups from various information systems (NetInfo, DNS, NIS, the Flat Files, and the internal cache). You can specify which information sources should be consulted, and in what order. You can also specify which information sources should be consulted for different categories. There is documentation for all this in the file /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/ReleaseNotes/lookupd.rtf. One change in NIS lookups is that a "+" in the /etc/passwd file does not trigger a NIS lookup. If you want user lookups to consult both /etc/passwd and the NIS passwd maps, you need to tell lookupd to use both Flat File and NIS agents. For example, if you configure all this in your root domain, you could set user lookups to use Cache+NetInfo+Flat Files+NIS like this: niutil -create / /locations/lookupd niutil -create / /locations/lookupd/users niutil -createprop / /locations/lookupd/users LookupOrder \ CacheAgent NIAgent FFAgent NISAgent 4.35 System overloaded due to swapping Swapping CPU overload load Several people discovered the problem, that their system get's unusable due to swapping. This is extremely bad, because if this swapping occurs, you can't even break the CPU load causing process, because you can't even open a terminal window. There exists a programmed solution to this problem. Here it is! I should warn you that this will just kill the app --- it will not give you a chance to save files, nor will it bring up a nice panel asking if you really meant to do that. There is no warranty for anything by using this code. To use it, simple hold down alternate and right click on any window owned by the application or its icon on the dock. This will not kill some apps like Terminal because they run as root. In order to install it, you will have to edit /usr/lib/NextStep/windowpackage.ps. Make sure that you make a backup of this file before editing it! It is owned by root, so not just anyone can do this. To apply the patch, search for a line stating: rmdownEvProc (the procedure for processing right mouse button down events), and replace it with the code named examples/windowpackage.patch in the FAQ archive. For NS3.3 this code is located at line 1319. Disclaimer: you should not attempt this if you do not know what you are doing. You may be unable to log in (you will have to boot single user to restore the windowpackage.ps) if you mess it up. You can kill apps that you did not mean to kill. I cannot be responsible for what happens! Thanks to David Koski dkoski@cs.wisc.edu for supplying this code. 4.36 Swapfile issues swapfile swap, speed swap, size 1. use 'mkfile' to generate the lowat file size of you swapfile. This decreases the number of inodes used and keeps the permanent lowat size defragmented. 2. on fast machines, compress the swapfile (only possible on the primary file), on slow machines, disable compressing. 3. place the swapfile on the fastest hard disk drive you have. Use 'man swaptab' to learn more about configuring swap files. 4. to learn more about the never shrinking swapfile question, read the NeXTanswers about it. http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/ 5. if your swaptab ignores some options: be aware that options must not contain spaces! 4.37 Garbage collection and Objective-C garbage collection memory allocation Note that Boehm's conservative garbage collector from ftp://ftp.parc.xerox.com/pub/gc/ works great with Objective-C, so you can use GC also with the other compilers. That GC could be enhanced a little by taking advantage of the Objective-C runtime type information; the hooks are there for it. 4.38 Setting up an anonymous FTP server ftp server Many people suggested just to read the online manual to ftpd. Probably a good idea. Anyway I included a not tested script in the FAQ distribution package which might be convinient for most people. 5 BLACK (NEXT) HARDWARE 5.1 What disk drives will work with the NeXT? disk drives There are some situations in which there are problems. Here is a short list which might help you in your disk drive quest: * These drives don't work with NeXT hardware: FUJITSU 2684SAU, SEAGATE ST51080N, IBM IB06H8891 * The SCSI driver for NeXT hardware only accepts asynchronous data transfer. Although every new SCSI-2 drive should support this mode, this isn't true for certain drives. Also sometimes there is a hardware switch (a little jumper on the drive) which switches between synchronous and asynchronous mode. You definitly can only use asynchronous disks! * There are also problems with sync negotiation on NeXT hardware. In general there should be another jumper to toggle this are you might change this with an SCSI utility. There are also problems with the tagged command queuing option. Anyway all these problem can be solved. Most SCSI disk drives will work without modifying /etc/disktab. There are problems with the installation of boot blocks and badly formed fstab generated by BuildDisk of NEXTSTEP 2.0. A disk connected to the NeXT will need to have a NeXT specific label written to it before it can be properly recognized by the system. If you get an error message "Invalid Label..." this indicates that the drive was successfully seen by the NeXT machine but it does not have the proper label, to install a label use the /usr/etc/disk program on the raw disk device that the system assigned to the device and use the label command to write the label onto the disk. [how the NeXT assigns disk devices is explained in the N&SA manual] NEXTSTEP releases 2.0 and up provide a low level disk formatter, sdform, which does not offer much flexibility, but gets the job done. Most drives are already formatted at the factory. You might look for the utility sdformat on the FTP sites as well, which overcomes some problems of sdform supplied by NeXT. 5.2 Will a 68030 NeXT Computer run NEXTSTEP 3.3? NS3.3 and 68030 Yes, but note that NeXTstep 3.3 is be optimized for the 68040 CPUs. NeXTstep 1.0 and 2.x were optimized for the 68030 CPU, 68882 FPU machines. 5.3 How do I configure my HP 660 to boot properly? HP 660, boot boot, HP 660 It has been reported that HP drives fail to autoboot on power on or while other devices are on the scsi bus. The problem seems to be with drives configured to spin-up automatically on power on do not get recognized at boot time. To remedy this problem reliably with HP 660Mb (HP97548) and 1Gbyte (HP 97549) drives remove the auto spinup jumper on the back of the drive. Looking at the disk from the back with the power connector on the lower left, it is the sixth jumper. The official fix was an EPROM change to the HP drive from HP. The HP drives took too long to wait up, so the system wasn't happy with the other drives coming ready first especially when the HP was suppose to be the boot device. (The EPROM is no longer available from NeXT). 5.4 What is the procedure for installing a Fujitsu M2263SA/SB SCSI Disk as the NeXT Boot Disk? Fujitsu M2263SA/SB See Izumi Ohzawa's note in /pub/next/docs/fujitsu.recipe available via anonymous ftp from sonata.cc.purdue.edu. 5.5 How to mount a corrupted OD that won't automount? OD, corrupt OD, mount If you can't automount an OD, and you can't fix it, you can still manually mount it. Log in as root. Type /usr/etc/mount /dev/od0a /FoO. It will ask you to insert the disk. Insert it. It is mounted. This method WILL mount a corrupted OD so you can read its contents. Since it is corrupted, it is not recommended to write to it. You should copy the important files to something else, then reformat it. 5.6 What non-NeXT CD Players that work with a NeXT? CD-ROM, NeXT A USENET survey summary: Apple CD-150 PLI 1035N for NeXT SUN CD-ROM drive (Sony CDU-8012, Rev. 3.1a) NEC 73M and 74 (transfer rates > of 300 KB/sec.) NEC 84 S NEC 4xi NEC 6x speed Apple CD-SC (Sony 541-22 mechanism) Apple CD-300 Apple CD-300+ Chinon CDS-431 (with new drivers) Eclipse CD-ROM from Microtech Toshiba 3201 Toshiba 3301 Toshiba 3401 Toshiba 3501 Toshiba TXM3301E1 Toshiba XM-2200A external Toshiba XM3601 Plextor Quadspeed Plextor PX-63CS (6xspeed) DENON DRD-253 external (data only, no music) HP's LaserROM drive (Toshiba XM-3301TA drive in HP's box) Texel 3024 (required a firmware upgrade to version was 1.11) As with all SCSI devices, they just work. Some drives only get problems with their audio support with CD-Player (due to not standardized SCSI audio commands, but this isn't a NeXT specific problem!) In contrary the question should be: are there SCSI CD-ROMs which don't work together with NEXTSTEP? 5.7 What are some other sources of toner cartridges and trays for the NeXT laser printer? toner, NeXT printer The toner cartridge is a standard EP-S cartridge, the same that fits the HP LaserJet III and some other printers. Any HP LaserJet II or III will fit. HPLJ4mSI cartridges do NOT fit. Any HP LJII or LJIII paper tray will fit. IIISI and 4 trays will not. Confused? Read again :-) 5.8 What printers (laser or otherwise) may be used with a NeXT? printers, on NeXT If you plan to connect an HP LaserJet (II, IIP, III, etc.) you need to make a special cable in order for the NeXT 040 and HP to get the hardware handshaking correct. This is true for whatever version of the OS you are running. NeXT 68040 to HP LaserJet III Cable (not a Null-modem cable): Mini-Din HP DB-25 1 (DTR) nc 2 (DCD) 4 (RTS) 3 (TXD) 3 (RXD) 4 (GND) 7 (GND) 5 (RXD) 2 (TXD) 6 (RTS) 5 (CTS) 7 (RTXC) nc 8 (CTS) 20 (DTR) You may want to use hardware flow control for reliability (ie /dev/ttyfa). If you have problems with other printers, check the cable pinouts in the printer's manual against the one recommended in the zs man-page! Refer to Chapter 13 in Network and System Administration. 5.9 What can I do to prevent my NeXT printer from running all the time? printer, turning off The NeXT 400dpi printer powers up every time you boot up when the print daemon is started (/usr/lib/NextPrinter/npd in /etc/rc). Apart from not running the daemon at boot time (commenting it out and having to run it by hand later), you can add the following lines to /etc/rc.local: if [ -f /usr/etc/nppower ]; then sleep 3 /usr/etc/nppower off (echo 'powering off NeXTprinter') >/dev/console fi Once you queue a print job the printer daemon will automatically power up the NeXT printer for you. The printer daemon will not automatically power off the machine after a print job, you will need to turn off the printer by typing /usr/etc/nppower off. 5.10 What type of microphones will work with the NeXT? microphone, NeXT Some NeXT owners use the RadioShack (Realistic) Tie Clip Microphone ($19.95) cat 33-1052. NeXT Computer, Inc. uses the "Sony Electret Condenser Microphone ECM-K7" in-house (available for $60). Some use Sony Tie-Clip microphone, #ECM-144, which costs around $40. Others have successfully used a WalMart brand microphone (available for $6). 5.11 How do I connect a modem to the NeXT? modem, on NeXT Previously, we suggested that people use Mac modem cables; however, it has come to our attention that there is no one standard Mac modem cable. Since correct modem operation on a NeXT depends upon a correctly wired modem cable, buying a Mac cable is not a good idea. Some Mac cables do not allow dial-in and no Mac cable allows the use of hardware flow control. For these reasons, we are recommending that only cables that meet NeXT specifications be used. [however, if you have a Mac modem cable lying around and don't care about dial-in or hardware flow control, then by all means....] These cables are available commercially from any store, how still sells NeXT stuff, and from Computer Cables and Devices, or can be custom built. Note that no off- the-shelf Mac cable will allow hardware flow control. It is however possible to make a such a cable from an Imagewriter II cable by replacing one of the mini-8 ends with a DB-25 connector. Hardware flow control is absolutely essential for all serial port connections with speeds of 9600 bps and above. Make certain that you cable supports it, your modem is configured to use it and you are using the hardware flowcontrol devices /dev/cuf[ab], /dev/ttydf[ab] and /dev/ttyf[ab], respectively. Most people use tip or kermit to control the modem. SLIP and/or UUCP may also be used (but are more complicated to set up and require the remote machine to also have SLIP and/or UUCP (respectively)). A version of the DOS-program pcomm can be found on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de The 2.0 Network and System Administration Manual, which is available in hard-copy (shipped with each machine) contains an extensive description of how to use modems with the NeXT machine. Additionally NeXT in their TechSupportNotes series called SerialPortDoc.wn and UUCP for 1.0/1.0a systems . This document is available from most FTP sites that carry NextAnswers. Also, try to obtain the about.modem.Z file by Mark Adler in the pub/next/lore directory on sonata.cc.purdue.edu 5.12 What fax modems will work with the NeXT? fax modem, on NeXT Most available modems of today, don't work for with the general fax driver available with NEXTSTEP. In this case you need to perchuse a commercial solution: 'NXFax'. There are demos available. The following information is pretty much old, and might probably be obsolete now: The following fax modems are currently available for the NeXT Computer: Manufacturer, Model Supplier, Type DoveFax for NeXT, Dove Computer, Class 1 HSD FaxMaster, HSD Microcomputer, Class 2* mix fax, i·link GmbH, Class 2** SupraFAXModem V.32bis, Supra Corp., Class 2 (requires DFax driver or NXFax driver) ZyXEL U-1496E/E+/S/S+, ZyXEL USA, Class 2 (requires NXFax driver) Telebit T3000 with fax option Telebit WorldBlazer with fax option (requires NXFax driver) Neuron 1414/1414+ with ZyXEL ROM upgrade (requires NXFax driver) (Neuron 1414 and Neuron 1414+ modems are relabelled ZyXEL modems. Contact ZyXEL USA for ROM upgrades. Neuron modems with 512K ROMs should upgrade their ROMs and ROM sockets to 1 Mb ROMs. People with 1Mb ROMs should just order the new ROMs.) (*) Note that the Class 2 is not yet approved; it is still out for ballot, after having failed in an October 1990 round. The Abaton InterFax 24/96 NX driver supports Class 2 as it was in that draft; there are expected to be very few changes prior to approval. (**) Note that mix fax works with both the October 1990 and October 1991 draft versions of Class 2, especially with the NeXT supplied Class 2 modem driver. Upgrading to an approved version of Class 2 would be a matter of just a software update (holds true for any forthcoming (class 3?) standard, for that matter). In order to use a fax modem with the NeXT Computer, a NeXT compatible fax driver must be available to operate the modem. Modem control procedures may be proprietary or conform to one of the following EIA/TIA standards: Class 1: CCITT T.30 session management and CCITT T.4 image data handling are controlled by the driver. Class 2*: CCITT T.30 session management and image data transport are handled by the modem. CCITT T.4 image data preparation and interpretation are controlled by the driver. Release 2.0 of the NeXT system software includes a Class 2 modem driver which will work with any fax modem which meets the EIA/TIA Asynchronous Facsimile Control standard. Other fax modems must supply a NeXT compatible driver. Note that there's a small bug in 2.0 (fixed in 2.1): a symbolic link is missing for the file Class2_Fax_Modem_Driver in /usr/lib/NextPrinter. The simple fix: create the link; it should reference Interfax_Fax_Modem_Driver, also in the /usr/lib/NextPrinter directory. An alternative workaround for Class 2, especially useful for novices: just use InterFax as the modem type in PrintManager, rather than Class 2*. After installing a fax modem using PrintManager one must repeat setting things in the Fax Options panel in order for them to be stored correctly. In particular, these include the Rings to Answer and Number of Times to Retry. This affects all fax modems being installed. If one uses illegal characters in the Modems Number field in the Fax Options when configuring an InterFax modem then the modem will not answer the phone. Legal characters are digits, spaces, and plus signs. This does not affect the Dove modem. Modems from the german vendor Dr. Neuhaus also work with the internal Fax-Driver. But only the FURY-series does. 5.13 How may I attach more than two serial ports to the NeXT? serial port, >2 on NeXT TTYDSP From Yrrid converts the DSP port into an additional serial port. Yrrid Incorporated 507 Monroe St. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 Voice: 919-968-7858 Fax: 919-968-7856 E-mail: yrrid@world.std.com Unitnet has a device, the SLAT, that will connect to the scsi bus. Uninet Peripherals, Inc. Voice: 714-263-4222 Fax: 714-263-4299 Central Data Corporation made the scsiTerminal Server family of products. However they stopped supporting NeXT hardwer. We are told that Central Data may consider the solling or giving of the driver source to an interested party. Phone: 217/359-8010 Toll-free: 800/482-0315 FAX: 217-359-6904 Email: info@cd.com support@cd.com sales@cd.com Also, one can use an IP terminal server. In a non-Internet environment, inexpensive terminal servers, which don't control access to the network securely, can be used. If your network is an Internet subnet, you must use a terminal server that controls either: (1) who can log into the terminal server, or (2) which machines the terminal server will access. These tend to be more expensive (around $250/port, but in 8-port increments), but it may be quite economical means of sharing ports among many NeXTs (or other computers) on the network. Particularly if one has a NeXT network, an Ethernet terminal server may be the way to go. One that supports Linemode Telnet (such as the Xylogics Annex III) will offer the best performance. 5.14 What is the best and/or cheapest way to connect a NeXT to a thick Ethernet? Ethernet, thick There are many possible solutions. For example, here are three: * The University of Waterloo (Audio Research Group) uses an old door-stop PC XT clone with two Western Digital cards (WD8003E Ethercard Plus, $250 CDN each; you should be able to get them for under $200 (US$)) running Vance Morrison's PCRoute (available from accuvax.nwu.edu). You will also need a thickwire transceiver and a drop cable (about $300). In addition, you will need Internet addresses for the NeXT and both PC Ethernet cards (and a subnet address). The documentation for PCRoute contains quite a bit of information on the performance of this setup. This solution requires two subnets. There is another program called PCbridge that allows the machines on the thin and thick wires to be part of the same subnet. This product also does packet filtering, so that packets destined to machines on the same side of the net do not cross over. * Cabletron sells a MR-2000C Singleport Repeater for $695 that does exactly what you need minus drop cable and transceiver. Their number is (408) 441-9900. * The march 1992 INMAC networking and connectivity products catalog lists thicknet to thinnet converters. Product number Z903071 price $445. Claims full ieee 802.3 compatibility and diagnostic LED's. * NuData (908)-842-5757 (USA) sells AUI10 base-T boxes for about $149. 5.15 How can I connect my NeXT to the telephone line and use it like an answering Machine? answering machine A company that is selling both hardware and software to allow you to do this: SES Computing 13206 Jenner Lane Austin, Texas 78729 Voice: (512) 219-9468 (Demo system number) i.link, a european company, has a combined data/fax modem and telephone answering machine. It uses the DSP port and is implemented mainly in software on the DSP with a little bit of hardware to interface to the phone line. i.link GmbH Nollendorfstrasse 11-12 D-1000 Berlin 30 Germany Tel: +49 30 216 20 48 Fax: +49 30 215 82 74 E-mail: info@ilink.de 5.16 What color monitors can I use with the Color NeXT machines? monitor, color The important specs for the color monitor are: Horz Scan Rate: 61 KHz Vertical Scan Rate: 68 Hz Resolution: 1280x1024 (NeXT uses 1120x832) NON-INTERLACED Displays may require alignment to adjust for the scan rate of NeXT machines. The Nanao T560i 17" color display has been used with NeXTstation Color machines, and seems to work well. Some larger NEC displays have also worked. 5.17 Where can I get 13W3 to BNC adapters to connect third party color monitors? 13W3 to BNC BNC to 13W3 You can get them from:NeXT/Bell Atlantic: part number S4025. NuData in New Jersey carries 13W3 female to 4 BNC male connectors. The price is about $100. NuData Voice: 908-842-5757 DISCLAIMER: I take no responsibility for the following. If you can source the bits yourself here's how it's built. 1 female 13W3 connector 3 Male BNC connectors 3 mini coax ie. the pins to the coaxial are male and the regular pins are female. Looks like this. . o o o o o . . 13W3 FEMALE A1 o o o o o A2 A3 | | | | | | | | | Red Green Blue 3 BNC's That's the coax part. The outer shielding of the coax's are grounded on both pin 10 and the case. 5.18 How may I attach Centronics or 16 bit wide parallel ports to the NeXT? centronics, NeXT parallel port, NeXT Uninet has devices, the SLAT-2 and the SLAT-DRV11, that will connect to the scsi bus. Uninet Peripherals, Inc. Voice: 714-263-4222 Fax: 714-263-4299 zardoz!sales@ics.uci.edu or uunet!ucivax!zardoz!sales 5.19 Why does an unused serial port consume cpu? serial port, cpu power usage Perhaps you've got a (probably fairly long) unshielded serial cable attached to it, with either nothing at the other end or a powered-off device at the other end. EE's call this an antenna. It's probably picking up most of the radio stations in your area, which the serial chip is interpreting as a continuous stream of garbage bytes, which it feeds to getty, which tries to interpret them as login attempts. How do you avoid this problem? * leave the device at the other end switched on (even when it's not transmitting, it will assert a voltage that overrides the noise) * unplug the cable from the next when you're not using it * use 'kill -STOP' & 'kill -CONT' to stop and resume the getty process as needed * buy an adequately shielded serial cable 5.20 How to adjust MegaPixel Display brightness and focus? brightness, MegaPixel focus, MegaPixel Adjust it using the following information. From: Charles William Swiger I have adjusted several monitors with no problems, but make sure you know what you are doing before opening anything. I expressly disclaim responsibility for any ill results that may occur. In order to adjust NeXT's MegaPixel display (called 'the monitor' hereafter), you'll need (a) the NeXTtool (or a 3mm Allen wrench), (b) a plastic adjustment tool (preferred) or a thin bladed screwdriver, and possibly (c) a Phillips-head screwdriver. (NB: A similar procedure will work for color monitors, but you should either know what you're doing or you'll probably be better off letting a pro deal with it.) Turn off the computer. Disconnect all cables to the monitor. Look at the back of the monitor. There will be 4 screws there; use the NeXTtool (or Allen wrench) to remove them. Remove the plastic back of the monitor and put it out of your way. Reconnect the cables and turn the computer back on. As the machine powers up, examine the back of the monitor. You'll see a metallic box (usually silver, though some are black) surrounding the monitor's vitals. This protects you against the dangerous voltages inside, and also insulates the monitor from electromagnetic noise. On the back of this box are several holes for performing adjustments. There are two focus controls (labeled 'focus' and 'dynamic focus'), a brightness control (labeled 'brightness' or possibly 'black level') and several others that adjust various things like screen size and position. Depending on the exact placement of the controls on the circuit board of your specific monitor, some of these controls may be difficult (or impossible) to adjust from the back. If this is the case, I will describe what's necessary below. Otherwise, adjust the appropriate controls using either an adjustment tool or a screwdriver. Be warned that a screwdriver probably will cause some interesting video effects when it enters the case. Ignore this the best you can, or find a plastic adjustment tool, which is what you *really* should be using anyway. Using a flashlight will help you see into the hole so that you can align the business end of the tool correctly. Focus and position controls are fairly obvious. Adjust them slowly until you're happy with the results. Don't muck with anything you don't need to; the factory settings are usually pretty decent. To correctly adjust the brightness, follow this procedure: Turn the brightness of the monitor all the way down using the keyboard. Adjust the brightness control on the back of the monitor until a barely noticeable picture forms. Then turn the brightness down a little so this picture disappears completely. Check that you can get adequate brightness by using the keyboard to brighten the screen. If the display isn't bright enough, adjust the brightness control on the rear of the monitor high enough so that the monitor display is adequate. Note that you won't be able to dim the screen completely from the keyboard...sorry. Once you're finished, shut down the computer, take off the cables, reattach the back of the monitor, and reconnect the cables. You're done. If the control you need to adjust proves to be difficult, you may need to enter the metal case. This happened on one monitor's focus control and another's brightness. WARNING: THE VOLTAGES INSIDE THE MONITOR'S CASE ARE VERY DANGEROUS, EVEN WHEN THE MONITOR IS OFF. BE VERY CAREFUL, OR YOU CAN SERIOUSLY INJURE OR EVEN KILL YOURSELF. DO NOT PERFORM THE NEXT INSTRUCTIONS UNLESS YOU ARE CONFIDENT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. You'll have to power off the computer again, and disconnect the cables. Looking at the monitor from the back, notice a section of metallic shielding on the right side of the metal box that extends to the picture tube. This is where the flyback transformer is connected. It shields a wire that is charged to about 25,000 V. WARNING: DO NOT TOUCH THIS WIRE, IT CAN SHOCK YOU THROUGH ITS INSULATION. Being very careful of this, remove the metal case by unscrewing the Philip's head screws that hold the case on. Don't touch the screws that hold the picture tube into the front of the monitor's case. Once you've gotten the metal box off, reconnect the cables. Figure out what control you're going to adjust, and make sure that you can do so without touching anything else inside. Again, *watch out* for the wire that connects to the picture tube on the right side. Power up the computer. I recommend that you use only one hand to make the adjustment, and that your other hand be placed in your pocket (or similar equivalent, if you're wearing clothes lacking pockets). This precaution reduces the chances that you'll make a short circuit between one hand, your heart, and the other hand --- a good idea. Perform the necessary adjustment(s), being very careful not to touch anything inside. Then shut down and reassemble the monitor, following the directions given above. Hopefully, these instructions will prove useful. Once again, please be very careful...I don't want your death and/or injury on my conscience (or a lawsuit, for that matter, either :-) 5.21 I want to emulate a macintosh, how? MacIntosh, emulation emulation, MacIntosh There is a nice way to run macintosh-software on your original black hardware. It works fine with dual-headed cubes and is optimized for the Apple OS - Version 7.5. To get further information about daydream, please contact: QUIX Computerware AG 011-41-41-440-88-28 9 hour differential Luzernerstr.10 6030 Ebikon Switzerland Next software - 011-41-41-34-86-80 quix@applelink.apple.com There is another solution, completely in software: 'Executor' from Ardi does the job, too. (http://www.ardi.com/ 5.22 My NeXT laser printer fails to fully eject the sheet - how to fix? printer, eject, NeXT laser NeXT laser, eject paper Fix it as follows. If you continually get messages like, "sorry, the printer is jammed" and you have to pull each page out the last inch, you probably need to replace the 14 tooth gear in the output stage(fuse ass'y). You can see this gear before you disassemble the printer, so that is a good first step. Then read these instructions all the way through and see if you want to attempt it. Next recommends replacing the entire fuse ass'y ( big bucks) if the gear is damaged, but Chenesko, Inc., of Ronkonkoma, NY sells the gears for $2.31. The part number is RS1-0132. They recommended I also replace the 20 tooth gear, number RS1-0116, but I don't know if it is really necessary. Their phone number is 800-221-3516. PartsNow is also selling laserprint replacement parts. Their part number for the a replacement roller part is RA1-84489-000 000. You might contact them for further details. To examine your gear, open the rear (delivery ) door and undo the screw attaching the strap that keeps the door from opening down all the way. The gear is on the side nearest the power input to the printer. There are two gears on the part of the delivery ass'y that swings down. The suspect gear engages the top one, but is mounted on the fixed portion of the fuse. Ours had several teeth missing and/or damaged. To get the gear off you have to remove the fuse ass'y. To remove the fuse you must open the printer lid fully, so it is straight up. To open the lid fully you must remove the case. To remove the case you must remove the plastic cover on the lid. Are you getting the idea now? This will be a lot of fun, and take most of the afternoon. I hope you have a spacious, well-lit area, because there are a lot of screws, and a lot of them are painted black, so they are hard to see when you drop them, unless you drop them inside of the printer, where you might NEVER see them again. Fortunately, as with all computer equipment, they seem to put lots of extras in, so just make sure there aren't any where they might do damage, like short out the mega KILOVOLT corona power supply, or grind into the REGISTRATION rollers. You do want your printouts to be straight, don't you? So, if you're ready, here we go. * PREPARATION Most mere mortals will want to power down everything and disconnect the cables, etc. Remove the cartridge and paper trays, etc. * REMOVE THE LID COVER open the lid and remove 3 screws. They DO NOT have any red paint on them. * REMOVE THE BACK DOOR there is one screw that holds the strap. When you can swing it clear down, you can squeeze the hinges together and remove the door. * REMOVE THE CASE There are maybe seven screws that hold the case on. Four are right on top. Two are just inside the rear door area. Two are down inside where you store that green cleaning tool. 4 + 2 + 2 = 7, right? Say, who was the last guy that worked on this printer anyway? The case has to be convinced that you really need to remove it, even when it is loose and all the screws are out. * REMOVE THE FUSE ASS'Y You will need a PHILLIPS screwdriver for this, as with the previous steps. But you will need a LONG one this time. Three of the screws are pretty easy to find. Just study the lower part of the fuse, as it is screwed onto the bottom case. Two of the screws are inside. One is under the lid next to the gears, the other near the green cleaning tool. On the outside, in back, there is one on each side. One is under the white wires that connect the fuse to the 10 AMP circuit breaker, which is pretty near that gear, and close to the power input. Unplug that cable. Then remove the small black crew that holds the black plastic gear cover so you will have better access to the last screw. Then you will have to wrestle the fuse out the back of the printer. Be careful with it. * DISASSEMBLE THE FUSE There are several screws and a spring. It's not too hard to take apart. You can see the gear, so you just have to take off the covers on that end of the ass'y to get to it. I should caution you that I had trouble putting them back on, because they have funny shapes and don't make a lot of sense. Plus I was tired, so I went home, ate dinner, played with the dog, went to bed, got up and ate breakfast before I put it back together. You might want to label some parts, make some drawings, etc. to reassure yourself that you can put the parts back just like they were. * REMOVE THE GEAR You can remove the gear pretty easily with a small screwdriver by unspringing the "E"-ring that holds it on the shaft. Try not to bend the e-ring. * PUT EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER Sorry, I can't help you with this part (HA HA!) I told you you should read the instructions first. Maybe you should buy a new printer, or try to attach some third party printer via the serial port! Well, if you got this far I hope you dropped little crumbs of bread so you can find your way back. I try to save all the little screws by putting them back in the holes they came from, or putting them in some small container. You might clean some of the gears or the paper path while you have it open. You can also install a new OZONE filter. Remember OZONE is hazardous to your health, so you don't want to inhale it. DISCLAIMER: BE CAREFUL IF YOU TRY THIS PROCEDURE. THERE ARE DANGEROUS VOLTAGES PRESENT, AND EVEN IF YOU ARE TOO CHICKEN TO WORK ON IT POWERED UP, YOU COULD CUT YOURSELF, OR DROP THE WHOLE THING ON YOUR FOOT, THUS VOIDING THE WARRANTY. ALSO, THE PRINTER WONÂT WORK WITHOUT THE COVERS, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO SECRET SWITCHES THAT INFORM THE NEXT CPU THAT SOMEONE "IS FOOLING AROUND WITH THE PRINTER AGAIN." Yet another update to reflect that Jacob Gore received gears for an Apple Laserwriter from Chenesko, which are similar enough to work, but with some modification.Also, if the original gear is in fair condition, it can be reversed on the shaft until a replacement is ordered. 5.23 What are the NeXT mouse connections? mouse, connector Read the following instruction. Thanks to Alvin Austin (austin@cs.USask.Ca) I have the information I need on the NeXT mouse connections. Pin Function 1 +5v 2 X Encoder Phase A 3 X Encoder Phase B 4 Y Encoder Phase A 5 Y Encoder Phase B 6 Right Button 7 Left Button 8 Ground 5.24 What type of memory may be installed in a NeXT? References: NeXTanswers' hardware.620, 92_spring_bulletin "Announcing NeXTstation Turbo and NeXTcube Turbo" NeXT Computer (68030-25MHz/68040-25MHz), NeXTcube (68040-25MHz): Number SIMM slots: 16 SIMM group size: 4 SIMM type: 30-pin low profile> SIMM access rating: 100 ns SIMM capacity: 1, 4 MB (1x8/1x9, 4x8/4x9) Maximum RAM: 64 MB The low-profile vertically mounted 4 MB SIMMs are easier to install in the NeXTcube than the horizontally mounted 4 MB SIMMs because of the small height clearance above the SIMM slots. It is possible to install the horizontally mounted 4 MB SIMMs, but you will be required to slide the CPU board and the center tower in simultaneously. Parity (9-bit) SIMMs can be used in both 68030 and 68040 NeXT machines, but should not be mixed with non-parity SIMMs. Only 68040 boards with ROM levels of 2.2 (v63) and higher can use the parity memory to detect parity errors. It is OK to mix parity and non-parity memory, but the system will not boot unattended. Cubes with early boot ROMs will not work with 4 Mb parity ram, unless at least 3 banks are used. The system gives an exception error on power up. The fix is to get a new boot rom from Next. You can pay $30, or you may be able to squawk and get one for free. I have found Next to be pretty responsive, once I find the right person. The correct version is v66 which was the last or final rev for this series of 040 boards. This version also fixed the problem in the second paragraph. NeXTdimension boards (i860): Number SIMM slots: 8 SIMM group size: 4 SIMM type: 72-pin SIMM access rating: 80 ns SIMM capacity: 1, 4, 8 MB (256Kx32, 1Mx32, 2Mx32) Maximum RAM: 64 MB (32 MB official NeXT) NeXT didn't officially bless the use of 8 MB SIMMs, but they seem to fit and work. NeXTstations (68040-25MHz) serial numbers below ABB 002 6300: Number SIMM slots: 8 SIMM group size: 4 SIMM type: 30-pin SIMM access rating: 100 ns SIMM capacity: 1, 4 MB (1x8/1x9, 4x8/4x9) Maximum RAM: 32 MB Faster SIMMS (70/80 ns) don't make the memory system work any faster than the 100 ns units. NeXTstation Color (68040-25MHz): Number SIMM slots: 8 SIMM group size: 2 SIMM type: 72-pin SIMM access rating: 80 ns5 SIMM capacity: 1, 4 MB (256Kx32/256Kx36, 1Mx32/1Mx36) Maximum RAM: 32 MB NeXTcube Turbo (68040-33MHz), NeXTstation Turbo (68040-33MHz), NeXTstation Color Turbo (68040-33MHz), NeXTstations (68040-25MHz) serial numbers above ABB 002 6300: Number SIMM slots: 4 SIMM group size: 2 SIMM type: 72-pin SIMM access rating: 70/100 ns SIMM capacity: 1, 4 ,8, 16, 32 MB (256Kx32/256Kx36, 1Mx32/1Mx36) Maximum RAM: 128 MB For maximum performance use 70 ns SIMMs: SIMMs rated at 80 or 100 ns will be detected upon powerup and the memory system clock slowed to 100 ns. Faster RAM than 70 ns won't give you a speed increase anymore. In fact it could slow things down again, because some hardware drives 60 ns RAM as 100 ns RAM. NeXT manufacturing introduced the new 25 MHz NeXTstation CPU board into production in late June '92. To verify which SIMM type your machine uses, check the system's memory configuration. You can do this by using the ROM monitor©s print memory configuration command m. Start with your machine powered down. Press the Power key to power on. As soon as the message ªTesting system...º disappears, press command-command-tilde ( on the numeric keyboard). Under these circumstances, this will access the ROM monitor. In the ROM monitor, type m and press return. Turbo-designed boardsÐincluding new 25 MHz NeXTstations and all Turbo systemsÐwill return messages reporting the memory configuration contained in four sockets (sockets 0 -3); old 25 MHz boards will return messages for more than four sockets (usually 8). You can tell a Turbo-designed board, and the accompanying 72 pin, 70 nanosecond SIMMs, by the fact it only reports information for only four sockets. The memory system has programmable memory timing such that the number of processor clocks needed to access a given amount of data can be tailored to the speed of the memory installed. 70 ns memory is just enough faster than 80 ns memory to allow the cpu to access the data with fewer clock cycles. This improves memory system performance. "70 ns" memory is faster than "80 ns" memory in many parameters other than just RAS access time. The faster CAS access time in particular allows the memory system to respond quicker to burst (16 bytes) bus transfers. 5.25 What is the NeXT SIMM tool? SIMM Tool The tool came with 68040 upgrade kits for NeXTcubes. It really makes removing SIMMs easy. It looks like a dental tool: about six inches long with a 1/2" long head offset at 90 degrees. To remove SIMMs, you slip the head into the hole on one side of the SIMM, rest the head on the SIMM socket next to the SIMM you are pulling, and pivot the tool back, using the simple fulcrum to gently pry the SIMM up about 1/8" from the socket on that side. Repeat on the other side, and the SIMM can be then removed by hand. 5.26 Where can I purchase a NeXT machine? Purchase, NeXT NeXT, purchase NeXT discontinued manufacturing hardware in Feb, 1993. Used systems are often advertised in comp.sys.next.marketplace. 5.27 Where to obtain hardware service? service, hardware hardware, service Hardware service can be obtained through the following firms: USA hardware service has been purchased by Bell Atlantic. They will be supporting the Authorized Service Centers and are selling extended warranty contracts. Decision One Voice: 800 499 6398, or 800 848 NeXT Fax: 510 732 3078 For Europe, please contact: SORBUS 40549 Duesseldorf Willstaetter Strasze 13 5.28 What types of NeXT machines were manufactured? NeXT, types of cube section There are two packages: a cube, and a station. * NeXTcube systems: + 68030-25 2-bit grayscale (NeXT Computer) + 68040-25 2-bit grayscale (NeXTcube) + 68040-33 2-bit grayscale (NeXTcube Turbo) + NeXTdimension board adds 32-bit color (i860) to any of above systems Cube systems can use any of the boards. With hacks, multiple independent CPU boards can run in one cube. NeXT Computer systems have room for 2 full-height 5.25" internal devices with a wide slot for an Optical Disk drive(s) in either position. NeXTcube systems also have room for 2 full-height 5.25" internal devices with a wide slot for an Optical Disk drive in the lower position, but have additional mounting holes for 1/2-height devices, and have a floppy slot at the top position. * NeXTstation systems: + 68040-25 2-bit grayscale (NeXTstation) + 68040-33 2-bit grayscale (NeXTstation Turbo) + 68040-25 16-bit color (NeXTstation Color) + 68040-33 16-bit color (NeXTstation Color Turbo) NeXTstation systems have room for two 1/2-height 3.5" devices, with a floppy slot at the side. 5.29 What can be done about older 030 NeXT cubes that have a fan that turns in the "wrong" direction? fan, running wrong The fan on older 030 NeXTs cubes sucks air out of the back of the cube which means that it draws unfiltered air in through the optical disk on the front of the cube. This causes optical disks to succumb to dust must sooner than cubes with the new-style fan which turns in the opposite direction. NeXT has apparently reversed their decision regarding fan reversal in the case of machines that have been upgraded to 040 processor boards. It is now considered okay to reverse the direction of fans in these machines. If you have many third-party cards installed in your cube or an older processor board, you may wish to consider not reversing fan direction (overheating could become a problem). In any case, do not reverse the fan's polarity, only reverse the fan assembly itself. Perhaps the best solution is obtain the cleaning kit and OD filter from NeXT. 5.30 Can I connect SONY MPX-111N to my 68030 NeXT Computer? SONY MPX-111N The SONY MPX-111N internal 2.88 MB floppy drive which was shipped with all the 68040 NeXT machines is not a SCSI device, therefore there is no way of connecting that particular drive internally on a 68030 system. 5.31 Why does the OD continually spin up and spin down? OD, spinning A big problem with the Canon optical drives is that air flows through the drive to cool it. Dust accumulates inside the drive causing it to fail with the continuous spin-up spin-down syndrome. NeXT as part of it's 040 upgrades provided a dust filter to prevent this. If your drive has this problem it usually can be fixed simply by cleaning out dust from the drive. NeXT sold a cleaning kit for both the drives and the optical disks. 5.32 How many colors can NeXT machines display? NeXT, colors The monochrome machines can display 4 gray levels. You can use color apps on a monochrome machine, they will converted into monochrome images and dithered accordingly. Color NeXTstations can combine 4 bits of red, green and blue primaries for a total of 4096 pure colors. The imaging functions dither the image to produce intermediate colors. NeXTdimension can combine 8 bits of red, green and blue for 16,777,216. There are not 16 million points on the display so all can not be displayed at once. Further display technology limits the usable color space. None of the NeXT products support color look up tables where the user can define their own color palette on a per window basis. This feature is useful for displaying images which have adaptive lookup tables, and display pure grayscale images on the color NeXTstation. On the NeXTdimension images can be converted to full 24 bit representation. 5.33 Why is my machine so slow when I run the monochrome and NeXTdimension displays? speed, display display, speed drops There is a bug with the window system in which if you select the monochrome display as your primary display the server will be much much slower. The solution for those wishing to use both displays is to select the color (NeXTdimension) display as the primary display. The most optimal configuration at present with the NeXTdimension is to run only the color display. 5.34 Where to obtain replacement mouse parts? mouse, parts From: jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu For those who have need of a new button in their mouse, and don't want to pay for the whole mouse when it is only the button that has gone bad, we have recently discovered a satisfactory replacement for the Omron switch. It is in the Digikey catalog, # 931, Jan-Feb 1993, page 141, under Cherry switches D4, DG, and DH series. Digikey part # CH164-ND, Cherry part # DG1C-B1AA. We ordered one of these, and just received it today. Tried it out, and it seems to be working flawlessly so far. It is also possible to replace mouse buttons from a two button mouse with mouse buttons of the three button mice. 5.35 Where to obtain extra batteries? battery, purchase purchase, battery Battery part number: BR 2/3A 3V Lithium Battery (Panasonic) Source: Engineered Assemblies & Components Corporation 5204 Green's Dairy Road Raleigh, NC 27604 Phone: 919-790-9700 (ask for Debra) 5.36 How to convert a Turbo system to use ADB? ADB, turbo system If ADB equipment are used with older NeXT systems they won't work properly. Here are the ADB requirements: * A Turbo computer. * CPU eprom version 74. * New revision computer to soundbox/monitor cable. The part number is molded at both ends of the connector: Cable NEW OLD (Non ADB) NeXTcube 4534 150 NeXTstation 4535 1532 NeXTstation color 4536 2286 * New revision monitor which uses a vertical scan rate of 72hz instead of 68hz, except on NeXTdimension systems color monitor stays 68hz. Monitor NEW (72hz) OLD (68hz) 17" mono ACX (N4000b) AAA (N4000a \& N4000) 17" color ADF (N4006) ABG (N4001) 21" color ADB (N4005a) ABH (N4005) * ADB soundbox for color systems. S/N prefix ADD instead of ABN. 5.37 68030 board in the same NeXTcube as a 68040 board? DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY NEXT, INC. AND WILL DEFINITELY VOID THE WARRANTY ON YOUR NEXT COMPUTER. FOLLOW IT AT YOUR OWN RISK. I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITIES FOR DAMAGES CAUSED BY NEGLIGENCE IN FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE PROCEDURE WILL WORK ON ALL VERSIONS(?) OF THE NEXT CUBE HARDWARE. ALL I KNOW IS THAT IT WORKED ON THE NEXT CUBE I WAS WORKING ON!!!! SO BEWARE. Here we go! I'll first provide a description of the hardware I was using and comment on what I accomplished and how I got the information on how to do it! The hardware included a NeXT cube with 660 MB drive, OD, etc., a 68040 upgrade board, and a 68030 motherboard. I successfully installed both the 68040 and 68030 boards on a SINGLE NeXT cube and linked them together through their ethernet ports. The 68040 was configured as a boot server and the 68030 was used as its client (booting off the network for lack of an additional hard drive). The procedure reconfigures slot #2 on the cube's back-plane as slot #0. This provides two slots configured as #0, required for booting the two motherboards. Once I determined what the slot pin-outs were (thanks to my good friend John Chmielewski), it was a matter of time before the two boards happily co-existed. The procedure: 1. First, follow the procedure on the NeXT User's Reference manual for removing the system board (Appendix C: Opening the Cube, page 291 of the 2.0 manual). 2. Using the NeXT supplied screwdriver, remove the two screws that attach the power-supply housing to the cube (the screws are located on the lower part of the housing) and gently pull the housing out. Set it aside in a safe place (away from kids and nosey friends!) 3. Remove the two plastic grooved plates (used to slide the system boards in) at each side of the inside bottom of the cube. (For each plate, lift the side closest to the rear opening and gently pull them out). Set them aside. 4. Using the NeXT tool, remove three screws holding the back-plane to the cube and then take the back-plane out of the cube. Let the cube rest for a while. Inspect the back-plane. You will see five bus slots (four vertical and one horizontal). The horizontal slot connects the back-plane to the power supply housing. We're only interested in the four vertical slots. From the factory these slots are configured as 6, 2, 0, and 4 (starting from the left and going right with the horizontal slot at the bottom). The system board connects to slot #0 (which you've probably noticed). Each slot contains three columns of 32 pins. Following is an ASCII representation of one of the slots: x y z C B A o-o o 32 . . . o-o o 31 . . . o-o o 30 . . . o-o o 29 . . . 28 . . . . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . ...where x, y, and z are labeled GND, SID, and VCC, respectively. The GND, SID, and VCC "holes" are used to configure the slot number using simple binary encoding, where GND is logical zero, VCC is logical one, and SID (for Slot-ID I guess) determines the current bit state (one or zero). Notice the four rows of GND, SID, VCC triads; each row is equivalent to one bit position in the slot number, the bottom row bit position 0, the top row bit position 3. This gives a total of four bit positions, or 16 possible slot numbers. To encode a slot number, you need to connect an SID row to its corresponding GND or VCC row. For example, the diagram below shows the configuration of the slots in my cube's back-plane (you'll have to look very closely to see the actual connections): SLOT 6 SLOT 2 SLOT 0 SLOT 4 BIT 3: o-o o o-o o o-o o o-o o BIT 2: o o-o o-o o o-o o o o-o BIT 1: o o-o * o o-o * o-o o o-o o BIT 0: o-o o o-o o o-o o o-o o 5. To reconfigure slot 2 as slot 0, cut the trace between SID and VCC for bit position 1 (see * o o-o * above) and connect SID to GND on the same row. I used the SIMM removal tool supplied by NeXT in the 040 upgrade (talk about multi-purpose) to cut the trace! Very gently, scrape the solder off between the two holes. Take a paperclip, shape it to fit between the holes in SID and GND, and trim it down to an even 1/4 inch (perfect fit)! That's all there is to it. If for some reason you ever want to revert to slot 2, just remove the paperclip from GND-SID and reconnect it to SID-VCC. 6. Now put the cube back together. First, re-install the back-plane using its three connecting screws, then snap on the plastic plates, and finally insert the power-supply housing and secure with its two screws. At this point the cube is ready to take on the two system boards (it is up to you to determine where/how you want to use the two boards; I'll explain how I used mine) ... 7. I installed the 68040 in the original slot 0 and the 68030 in the reconfigured slot 0 (previously slot 2). The 68040 was used as the main processor board. I connected the 660 MB drive, the OD, and the monitor to it. NOTE: Before beginning the procedure, I went into the NeXT Monitor on the 68030 and disabled the Sound out, SCSI tests and verbose test mode and enabled serial port A as a console terminal. I also made "en" the default boot device. I setup the 68040 as a boot server and taught it about the 68030 (which took some time in getting it setup properly). 8. I connected the 68040 to the 68030 using a thin-ethernet cable and I booted. First thing I noticed was that the 030 timed-out a couple of times waiting for the 040 to tell it to boot. But after the 040 was up, the 030 booted nicely. That's all folks. Hope all this made some sense and people find it useful. Comments: * To power off the cube, I have to first shutdown the 030 (I run "halt -p" as root from a telnet connection and wait for the 030 to go down), and I then power-down the 040. If you shut down the 040 before the 030, you'll have to pull the power plug to turn the machine off. The cube will not power off if either of the two boards is providing a load to the power-supply. * Remember, I've only performed this procedure on one system. I do not know what will happen on your system. So make sure you plan ahead what your going to do and that you understand the procedure. * I don't know what problems may arise when you add a board that uses the NeXTbus, such as the NeXTdimension, or how it will behave. If someone is courageous enough to perform the procedure and installs another board, please post your results to the net. Update: To clear up some misunderstandings with the settings in the "p" command of the NeXT monitor (these settings are only required for the system board that doesn't have the NeXT display monitor connected): 1. Sound out test must be "no"; the boot process will not proceed if the monitor isn't connected to the board and this is set to "yes" (the sound out tests will fail, aborting the boot procedure). 2. SCSI tests should be "no" if you don't have SCSI devices attached to the board (SCSI tests will fail otherwise, aborting the boot procedure). 3. Verbose test mode must be "no" for booting from the network. If set to "yes", the boot process will timeout waiting for a BOOTP and you'll be left in the monitor with no means of restarting the board (except pulling the power plug)! This is probably true also for booting from an OD that hasn't been inserted (assuming the OD was attached to the board). 4. Allow serial port A as alternate console if you want to view the boot process (for problems and peace-of-mind). 5. Other settings were not modified from their factory defaults or had no effect on the procedure. There is also a way in using 2 boards plus NeXTDimension board in one Cube. I've run my "screw with the backplane trick" cube with : | <empty> | 32MB-ND | | 64MB-040 | 40MB-030 | without any problems. Using the od got the system warm, but never had a problem. The cool part was having the printer on the 030. One day I tried to dump an 040 into the 030 position, but I couldn't get it to boot. I played for a couple minutes, but put the 030 back in and went on with life... 5.38 How to expand DSP memory? memory, DSP DSP, memory The Speech Recognition Lab at San Francisco State University has developed a DSP memory expansion board for the NeXT computer that provides the maximum memory supported by the DSP56001 processor. We are now offering this board to those whose are interested in high-performance custom DSP development. * The board is a 576KB DSP expansion memory board organized as three non-overlapping 192KB banks: X-data, Y-data and Program. The board uses relatively fast ( * The board is a high-quality, 4-layer board, open-circuit tested prior to assembly. It fits into the DSP memory daughterboard slot on all NeXT machines. * The price will be $600. Please let us know if you are interested. Delivery will be in about 3-4 weeks. * Contact Tom Holton (th@ernie.sfsu.edu). E-mail is preferred. The address is: Tom Holton Division of Engineering San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue San Francisco, CA 94132 415 338 1529 (phone) 415 338 0525 (fax) NOTE: Because we've organized our memory as three separate (non-overlapping) banks (X, Y and P) of 192KB apiece, none of the DSP memory image functionality provided by NeXT with its existing 8K base configuration, or its 96KB DSP expansion module is supported. While we cannot guarantee that every existing DSP application ever written will be plug-and-play compatible with our DSP expansion memory, we are not aware of any existing applications that use the image functionality. The MusicKit, and demo programs that use the DSP, such as Mandlebrot and ScorePlayer, work fine with our memory module. 5.39 How to boot a NeXT without a monitor? The procedure is to just touch pins 6 and GND on the DB-19 NeXT monitor out with a 470 Ohm resistor (450 is the actual resistance, but 470 ohms is more commonly found in resistors). Pin 6 is the power sense, and pins 13-19 (and the DB shell) are the GND. Just say "pin 19", it may be easier. There's a pinout diagram of the DB-19 in the NeXT Users Reference Manual. If you have an old Cube, the power supply needs to have more power drawn from it than an 030 (and 040?) board uses to stay on. So: On the DB-19, attach a Power Resistor (20 Ohm, at least 20 Watt) between pins 12 and GND. (Pin 12 is -12V, pin 13 works well for GND). Then just "touch" the 470 ohm resistor as described above, and you're set. The 20 Ohm resistor draws an old 030 running without monitor in an old CUBE), but it isn't necessary - just don't touch it (*HOT!* ;-) To power off, type "halt -p" as root on the machine (either through a terminal connected to port A, or over the ethernet connection). Also, you have to have the Rom Monitor settings done correctly. The important ones are: Wait until keypress? N Sound out tests? N Port A as alternate Console? Y (if you have one, it's nice) Verbose mode? N (I think this may need to be N to work, don't r emember). 5.40 Where can I get black spray paint for my NeXT? Black, spray paint paint, black spray You can get black spray from the following address. Sprayon Paint Omni-Packblend 4Next-Black (icon black) LAV-16 25216 Call 1-800-777-2966 for the name of a dealer near you. 5.41 What makes aged NeXT monitors dim? monitor, dim The cause of the dimming monitors is the CRT cathode wearing out. The most common type of CRT (and the type used in most NeXT monochrome monitors and all of the NeXT color monitors) uses what is called an oxide cathode. A thin coating of oxide is deposited on the cathode to allow the electronics which form the picture to get off the cathode easily. The oxide gradually boils off the cathode itself, and when the oxide is gone, the CRT goes dim. Typically, the oxide will last from 10,000 to 20,000 power on hours (screen savers don't help the cathode, they only prevent phosphor aging). Unfortunately, the black monochrome monitors fall into the short end of the life range thanks to Toshiba who made the CRT's. The aging is more noticeable in Unix machines because they tend to be left on. Note that there are about 8,000 hours in a year. If you leave your monitor on all the time, all oxide type CRTs will be dim in three years. The other type of CRT cathode is the I-cathode or dispenser type. This type of cathode is porous and continually brings new activation material to the surface. Its lifetime is 40,000 hours or more. The last of the NeXT monochrome monitors (N4000B) used this type of CRT and they don't go dim. There aren't many of that type around because NeXT quit the hardware business after producing only a few thousand. If you can get an N4000B monitor, you won't ever have to worry about a dim monitor. Many manufacturers are going to dispenser cathode type CRTs in their monitors with Panasonic leading the way. The best advice is to turn off the monitor when not in use. If that is impractical, try to purchase one with the long life cathode. Spherical Solutions (smg@orb.com) has a supply of new N4000B long life monitors for sale in either ADB or non-ADB configurations. If you need to repair or replace a monochrome monitor, that is by far the best type to use. If you read this far, you probably know more than you ever wanted to about CRT aging, but I hope this helps. 5.42 How to use two internal hard drives drives, two internal It is possible to fit a second internal hard drive in a NeXT slab, in addition to the floppy drive and the first hard drive. The second drive must be third height, or 1 inch high. There is no room for a half height device. Buy a bracket or make one out of sheet metal for the 1 inch high drive. On 25 MHz mono stations the SIMMs are smaller and the drive doesn't have to go all the way against the back wall. In this case, glue the bracket to the underside of the NextStation cover, centered from side t o side and as far to the back as possible. This is sufficient. On 25 MHz colorstations, however, one must file away a bit of the interior metal on the cover in order to glue the bracket fully to the rear of the cover. Once this modification is done, th e drive will clear the RAM when the cover is closed. Screw the drive into the bracket, with the power and SCSI plugs toward the right hand side of the NextStation so that the cables will reach. Go to your favorite computer store and get both a "dual int ernal SCSI bus cable" and a "dual internal SCSI power cable." Plug in the cables to both internal hard drives and close the cover. This was verified on both a 25 MHz mono and a 25 MHz color NextStation. No power or heating problems occurred. 6 WHITE (INTEL) HARDWARE 6.1 What about support for NeXT Computer specific hardware features such as the DSP? support, specific DSP, support support, DSP NeXT computers offer additional hardware support not commonly available for Intel systems. This includes the DSP. The DSP in a NeXT Computer is used for a variety of functions including ISDN support and real-time audio compression/de-compression. ISDN support for NEXTSTEP/Intel will be provided via an add-on PC card and ISDN adapter. Although the DSP programming feature is missing for NS3.3 on Intel, it is not necessary. The important SoundKit functions are rewritten to emulate an DSP on Intel, but this costs a lot of CPU time. 6.2 Do Multi-Architecture Binaries take a lot of extra disk space? MAB, disk space multi application binary, MAB The concept of NEXTSTEP binaries is different to other platforms. On NEXTSTEP only the real program is compiled and linked in a hardware specific manner. E.g. the GUI and the multilanguage support are usable on any platform running NEXTSTEP and will do so under OPENSTEP. Therefore the real binary part is sometimes really small. Anyway it might be a good choice to thin such a fat binary. NeXT ships tools for this purpose. Look at the manpages for lipo. If an application wasn't installed using the standard NeXT tool Installer, it might also be a good choice to look into the application drawer and delete other languages supported but not used by the application. This additional data is found in the different *.lproj subdirectories in the application's folder. To get there, activate the application's icon and select Open as directory from the Workspace's File menu item. 6.3 How difficult is it to recompile existing NeXT applications over to NEXTSTEP/Intel? compile, re Very easy. Most programs will simply recompile and run, or require few changes. We believe that any application that uses the standard development environment and Object kits provided by NeXT should simply compile and run. Only applications that use architecture specific features or data formats, will require additional time to port. Several developers have already ported applications to NEXTSTEP/Intel. Appsoft Draw simply recompiled and ran, Lighthouse Concurrence took 3 hours, other programs took 1/2 a day to 2 days, and this was all on a very early release of NEXTSTEP/Intel 3.1! Some applications just will refuse to compile, because they are still based on the old 2.0 headers etc. These applications are really rare now and may get ported very easily too, by changing the include path in your developer package. Other applications require additional header files and libraries to properly compile and link. These applications are mostly based on the MiscKit or MusicKit and other PD-Kits. You need to install these Kits first to compile these programs. With the shipping of OpenStep this might change, because it will be possible to produce shared libraries with the NeXT Developer package. This will enable you to not install the complete Kit, but only the shared library and will also reduce your binary no ticeable. 6.4 When developing programs, are there any portability issues I should be aware of? portability Yes. As stated above, any applications that use the standard tools provided by the NEXTSTEP development environment, should just recompile and work. To make sure developers are aware of portability issues, NeXT is producing a guide to address source code portability between different architectures running NEXTSTEP. This guide is available in the online documentation to the NeXT Developer package. 6.5 What is the difference between the NEXTSTEP/Intel User Environment and Developer Environment? user vs. developer developer vs. user The NEXTSTEP/Intel User Environment consists of the entire NEXTSTEP 3.3 environment, minus the developer tools. The Developer Environment includes the developer tools such Interface builder, Project Builder, C compilers, Object Kits, example source code and developer documentation. Although it is possible to just get the latest GNU C compiler as a binary, you can not use it! This is because you won't get the standard libraries needed to produce NeXT applications neither the header files. Also it there is currently no third party com piler shipping. If you want to compile, you are forced to use the NeXT Developer package. The status of compiling a standard UNIX utility without NeXT's headers and just based on the supplied shared libraries is unknown. 6.6 If a specific I/O card is not supported by NeXT, can 3rd parties write drivers for NEXTSTEP/Intel? I/O driver Yes. NEXTSTEP/Intel uses a newly developed object-oriented driver architecture that brings the benefits of object-orientation all the way down to the I/O card driver level. 6.7 How is NEXTSTEP/Intel installed? installation, Intel NEXTSTEP/Intel will come with a boot floppy and a CDROM. To install NEXTSTEP/Intel, the system boots from the floppy, and then installs the minimum NEXTSTEP environment from the CDROM (SCSI CDROM drive). The user may then chose from several optional packages depending on the available disk space and user requirements. 6.8 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on 386 machines? 386 Intel 386 No. NEXTSTEP/Intel uses several 486 specific features that enhance the performance of NEXTSTEP. NEXTSTEP/Intel will support any 486 with Coprocessor and up. 6.9 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on the Cyrix 486SLC? 486SLC, Cyrix Cyrix, 486SLC NeXT states: No. The Cyrix chip not a true 486. several other users state: Yes. Slow performance, though. 6.10 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on the future Intel Microprocessors in the x86 family? x86 Intel, x86 Yes. NEXTSTEP/Intel will not only support them, but will take advantage of any performance enhancements available with future Intel CPU's, just as NeXT has taken advantage of the 486. 6.11 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel run on portable computers? portable computers Yes. Many portables and notebooks with 486 CPU's and sufficient system resources (>=8MB RAM and >=120MB hard disk space) are available. Since NEXTSTEP/Intel will support 640x480 VGA displays in grayscale, NEXTSTEP 486 can run on these systems. Do be aware that NEXTSTEP's user interface and applications were not designed for low-resolution screens, and consequently will impose limitations on the use of some applications. 6.12 Will NEXTSTEP/Intel be able to run MS-DOS and Windows programs? MS-DOS Windows MS-Windows Yes. NEXTSTEP/Intel will support a DOS and Windows compatibility package. This software will allow DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 programs to run within a NEXTSTEP window. Support will include DOS "Protected" mode and Windows 3.1. This package is called SoftPC and comes with every NEXTSTEP system. The software is not free with NEXTSTEP, you have to pay extra. Anyway you are not limited in a 30 day test phase when installing it. Windows 95 and Windows NT are not supported by the emulation software. 6.13 How will my DOS and Windows applications perform under NEXTSTEP/Intel? MS-DOS, performance Windows, performance MS-Windows, performance Very well. The DOS/Windows compatibility package for NEXTSTEP/Intel takes full advantage of the 486 microprocessor. Depending on system hardware configuration and type of DOS/Windows application, performance should vary between 386 and 486 native DOS/Windows performance on Pentium systems. In addition, to enhance the performance of Windows applications, a MS Windows specific Graphics Device Interface (GDI) driver which maps Microsoft Windows calls directly to the NEXTSTEP window server is part of the system. 6.14 Is the window I use to run Microsoft Windows applications resizable? Windows, size MS-Windwos, size Yes. You can set the Windows session to any size you wish up to the maximum screen size available to the NEXTSTEP/Intel system you are using. 6.15 Will this DOS/Windows compatibility system allow me to run several DOS programs at once? MS-DOS, multitasking Yes. Since NEXTSTEP/Intel is a multi-tasking, virtual memory operating environment, several DOS/Windows sessions can be run at once. Hey, did I say Windows? Yes you can do real Windows multitasking with SoftPC. 6.16 Can I cut and paste between DOS/Windows sessions and NEXTSTEP applications? cut&paste, Windows cut&paste, MS-DOS cut&paste, MS-Windows Yes. You can cut and paste text and graphics between DOS/Windows and NEXTSTEP applications. 6.17 Can I use both DOS and NEXTSTEP/Intel partitions on the same hard disk? partitions, NeXT and DOS multi OS setup OS, more than one Yes. NEXTSTEP/Intel will support multiple operating systems on the same local hard disk. When the system boots, the user can chose to boot another operating system (such as DOS) or NEXTSTEP. If the local partition contains DOS, NEXTSTEP/Intel will be able to access the local DOS partition and read/write files to it, with the restriction on primary partitions only. Executive Summary: It is possible to install DOS, Windows NT with NTFS, and NEXTSTEP/Intel on the same disk, and select which partition is booted at boot time. I spent some time experimenting with a 200MB SCSI disk. I wanted to see if the following configuration would be possible: Partition 1 Primary DOS Partition 2 Extended DOS Partition 3 Windows NT NTFS Partition 4 NS/Intel 3.2 Since Windows NT requires at least 70MB for installation, and NS/Intel requires at least 120MB, there wasn't much room for DOS! Ultimately, I only tested a three partition system (DOS, NTFS, NS/Intel), but I have no reason to believe that the extended DOS wouldn't also work. The recipe is as follows: * Preparation. You need a bootable DOS floppy that has FORMAT.COM on it. You need another (blank) floppy for installing NT. * Start with the NS/Intel installation. When it asks you how you want to configure your disk, it gives you three choices, which are basically 1. erase the whole disk and use it all for NS/Intel, 2. save some room for DOS, 3. advanced. Choose the advanced option, which places you in NS/Intel fdisk (not to be confused with DOS FDISK.EXE). * Create three partitions in this order: 1. Primary DOS (if more than 32MB desired, use the "large" FAT option) 2. HPFS (this is a placeholder for NT, and can be any non-DOS format) 3. NEXTSTEP * Proceed with the rest of the NEXTSTEP installation. * When NEXTSTEP is safely installed and tested out, boot DOS from your bootable DOS floppy. * FORMAT the DOS partition (which should be Drive C if you made it the first partition). You want to FORMAT C:/S, to install the boot code to make the DOS partition bootable. * Once DOS is safely formatted and tested out, insert the NT installation floppy and reboot. * Proceed with the NT installation. Tell Setup to install NT in the second partition (which shows up as "Unformatted"). You can select NTFS for FAT format. * Insert the blank floppy when asked. Don't bother to format it, NT unconditionally formats it. * If you select NTFS, there is a scary part of the installation that makes it seem like NT can't reboot. In fact, it is converting the installed files from FAT to NTFS in place. Just let it keep rebooting until it finishes, don't interrupt it like I did. * Finish setting up NT and test it out. It should be able to see the DOS partition in FileManager. * Likewise, there should be a DOS filesystem in / on NS/Intel. If you configured NT for FAT instead of NTFS, there should be two DOS filesystems in /. That's it. When you boot, you see the familiar NS/Intel boot manager. If you select DOS, it boots NT, which in turn offers you a chance to boot DOS or NT (not NS/Intel, of course). Kind of weird that you have this two tiered boot, but it's probably because the bootsector has been modified by NT. I haven't tried setting the active partition to DOS -- that might avoid the two tiers. 6.18 Can NEXTSTEP/Intel read, write, and format DOS and Mac floppies? MacIntosh, r/w floppy MS-DOS, r/w floppy Yes. 6.19 NEXTSTEP/Intel 3.1, DOS, Linux/NT multi-boot system? multi OS boot Linux MS-DOS OS/2 boot manager dual boot The OS/2 boot manager does this nicely. NOTES ON INSTALLING DOS, OS/2 AND NEXTSTEP FOR DUAL BOOT * Boot OS/2 from diskette and press Escape to get to the [A:] command prompt * Run the OS/2 FDISK program and create the following partitions: + 1 MB Boot Manager + 20MB DOS Primary partition (drive C:) + 64MB OS/2 Extended partition (logical drive D:) + 120MB Data Extended partition (logical drive E:) (or 200MB or whatever size) NOTE: LEAVE THE REMAINING 460+MB FREE SPACE UNFORMATTED DO NOT CREATE A PARTITION FOR THE REMAINING SPACE * Re-boot the machine and boot DOS from diskette. * Format drive C: and install DOS on drive C: with the following command: format c: /s /u * Now Re-boot the machine with the OS/2 Installation diskette. * Install OS/2 on Drive D: (the 64 MB logical partition) You will be prompted to install OS/2 on the default drive C: You will need to select the option to change the drive which will throw you into FDISK. Just make drive D: installable and proceed. * After OS/2 has been installed shutdown the system. Do a cold power off boot. * Cold boot the machine with the NEXTSTEP boot diskette. * Proceed with normal NEXTSTEP install and you should get the following disk installation option screen: Type 1 to erase the entire disk and use all 667 MB ... Type 2 to set aside some space for DOS and use the rest ... Type 3 to keep existing partitions and use the 462 MB free space ... Type 4 to use the 184 MB DOS extended partition for NEXTSTEP. Type 5 for advanced options (in English only). ---> Choose option number 3 and proceed with the NEXTSTEP install * After NEXTSTEP has been installed, re-boot the machine and select 'd' from the NEXTSTEP boot manager menu to boot DOS. * When DOS has booted, run the FDISK program to set the active partition to the first partition, the BOOT Manager partition. Then exit fdisk. * Now run the DOS FDISK program again but with the following parameter: fdisk /mbr This command removes the NEXTSTEP boot manager from the DOS partition. * Now re-boot the machine and the boot manager should come up. Select OS/2 * Once OS/2 has booted, run the OS/2 FDISK program and name the NEXTSTEP partition and add it to the boot manager menu. * You should now have a machine with DOS, NEXTSTEP, OS/2 listed in the boot manager menu when the machine starts up. The boot manager defaults to the OS that was last booted. 6.20 NeXTSTEP on INTEL, KEYBOARD-ERROR ... keyboard error, Intel We installed NeXTSTEP for Intel on a P5-Board using an Adaptec A1540 SCSI-Controller. The System boots correctly. After running the kernel the keyboard is without any function. We can't use it anymore. Rebooting doesn't eliminate the error (advise from I-Guide). Well, it seems that the PS/2 Mouse driver interferes with the keyboard driver when installing on some motherboards. You have to remove the PS/2 mouse driver, then reboot, and it will work fine. I destroy the driver on our machines, so that config=Default will work properly as well. You should be able to remove the driver without reinstalling. 6.21 NS 3.2 Tseng ET4000 Video Driver doesn't work. ET4000, NS3.2 TSENG Cards often have different DACs and BIOS-Versions. It is important, that the graphics card do have the original BIOS from TSENG Laps. Otherwise, it is not possible to run NS with the 1024 x 768 resolution. 6.22 Accessing ROM monitor on Intel-System, how? ROM-Monitor, Intel On Intel you just type -s at the boot: prompt. Also try CTRL-C at the point where it hangs it might continue. This gives you single user mode. There simply is no ROM-Monitor on Intel as it is on NeXT. You do have the choice to enter a simple ROM-Debugger by choosing the appropriate option when the system hangs. 6.23 Adaptec 2940 Fast and Sync. SCSI explanation... This message is to clear up the confusion on the issue of whether or not the NEXTSTEP driver for the Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI Host Adapter supports Fast SCSI (i.e., 10 MB/s data transfers). The Adaptec 2940 SCSI Host Adapter Driver supports Synchronous Data Transfer as well as Fast SCSI transfers. In order to enable Synchronous Data Transfer, this feature must be enabled in both the 2940's AutoSCSI program and in the NEXTSTEP Configure application, when configuring the Adaptec 2940 driver. In the AutoSCSI program, this feature is enabled in the SCSI Device Configuration menu, via the "Initiate Sync Negotiation" field. This can be enabled or disabled on a per-target basis. In the Configure application, the "Synchronous" button, if disabled, disables Synchronous Transfers for ALL targets. If enabled, the values selected in the AutoSCSI program are used to determine whether or not Synchronous Transfers occur on a per-target basis. The Synchronous Transfer data rate is determined in the 2940's AutoSCSI program, via the "Maximum Sync Transfer Rate" field in the SCSI Device Configuration menu. "Fast SCSI" Transfers are enabled by selecting a value of 10 (i.e., 10 Megabytes/seconds) for this field. Note that if Synchronous Transfers are disabled, the "Maximum Sync Transfer Rate" field is meaningless. Also note that it is not recommended to select a value higher than 5 for a device which is in an external enclosure and connected to the 2940 via an external SCSI cable. 6.24 Do EIDE-Drives work with NEXTSTEP? EIDE Yes, a driver is included in NEXTSTEP 3.3 6.25 Anyone have a driver yet that does 8 bit color on an ET4000/w32p card? (Hercules Dynamite Pro VLB) ET4000/w32p, 8 Bit color Here's a trick that will work with 3.3 if the driver works with your adapter. You need the latest driver though. Simply select one of the 8-bit gray resolutions in Configure. Save the configuration and quit Configure. Open Instance0.table inside the driver bundle and search for BW:8 and replace it by RGB:256/8. Save the file. Restart your machine and you've got 8-bit color!!! 6.26 Does a Glidepoint pointing device work with NEXTSTEP? Glidepoint It will work nicely under NS as you don't need any driver to make it work and use the nice features that GlidePoint have, like 'double-tap' to replace left-button click and 'double-tap and slide on the pad' to replace the hold the button and move for dragging an object. 6.27 AppleTalk under NEXTSTEP/Intel? AppleTalk, Intel IPT has a product called Partner, which works fine under 3.3 and mounts AppleShare Volumes, supports AT printing etc. (This is true, although IPT states that Partner only runs under 3.3 Black and 3.2 Intel.) 6.28 Booting hangs with black screen Triton Bootoptions On some Triton based boards there seems to be a graphic problem while booting. The solution is to switch off graphic display and always boot with the '-v' option turned on (enter this at the 'boot:' prompt). If you don't get a 'boot:' prompt, or if you just want to fix things forever, you need to enter Default.table and Instance0.table in /usr/Devices/System.config and set 'BootGraphics="No"'. This has the same effect as typing '-v' at the 'boot:' prompt every time. Setting BootGraphics=NO can also be done from the Expert panel in Configure.app 6.29 Why are the features of my graphic card useless? graphic card For the purposes of this discussion, I will limit my response to the manner in which DPS operates as part of the NEXTSTEP window server. DPS sometimes draws directly to the screen and sometimes to offscreen memory (buffered windows). The latter is the most common case. The former occurs only in nonretained windows and visible portions of retained windows. DPS is split into two sections: a device independent kernel and a device dependent driver layer. The driver layer is free to use graphics hardware to do its job; however there are complications. First, most graphics cards only allow you to use the hardware to draw into the framebuffer, not into system memory. This renders the hardware unusable for buffered windows. Second, the hardware must draw the same pixels that the software would draw. Often this is hard to achieve with satisfactory performance results. The DPS device primitives rely on precise pixel layout that often cannot be guaranteed using the hardware in the most straightforward manner. So, while it is theoretically possible to use graphics hardware with DPS in NEXTSTEP, it is not very practical. This should not lead you to the conclusion that all graphics cards are the same when it comes to NEXTSTEP. The speed of the system bus (ISA, EISA, PCI, VLB) is a big determinant of performance, but the internal architecture of the card itself also has a huge impact on the framebuffer memory bandwidth. I won't go into details, but some of the determinants include DRAM vs. VRAM, memory interleaving, and burst access. Other factors also influence the quality of a display card. These include the speed and stability of the RAMDAC and the supported display modes to name jsut two. 6.30 How to use MIDI without the MusicKit? MIDI MusicKit * Be sure you have an MPU-401 compatible MIDI card for the PC. * Get the Music Kit and install it. It's on the ftp servers. * Install the MIDI driver by double clicking on /LocalLibrary/Devices/Mididriver, which will add it to the system. Set the IRQ and IO port in the Configure.app. Then reboot. * If your program does not use the -ObjC flag on its link line, link against /usr/local/lib/libmusickit.a. However, if your program does use the -ObjC flag, extract the following files from libmusickit.a and link against them explicitly: mididriver_replyServer.o mididriverUser.o mididriver_nonMig.o * Add this line as the first line in the C file that accesses the MIDI driver: #import <musickit/midi_driver_compatability.h> Be sure that you do not explicitly import . This file is (conditionally) imported by . The reason for needing a separate API for Intel is that there's a structure size disparity between the 68k and Intel versions of NeXT's libsys_s. So we defined a new set of MIDI functions for the Intel driver. The header file above defines the old names to be the new names. * Change the mididriver port name from mididriver to Mididriver. Example: #if i386 #define MIDIDRIVER_NAME "Mididriver" #else #define MIDIDRIVER_NAME "mididriver" #endif r = netname_look_up(name_server_port, "",MIDIDRIVER_NAME, &driverPort); This is another change to prevent conflict with the NeXT hardware driver. 6.31 Installation problems with EIDE and ATAPI drives EIDE installation ATAPI Load the SCSI driver and then load the EIDE driver. Don't follow the directions they give you (which are to load the CD's driver and then load the hard drive's driver). Do it backwards, so that the hard drive you are installing to gets assigned sd0. By swapping drivers like this, the CDROM gets sd1 which is what the installation procedure expects. I guess that what happened is that the EIDE driver makes the CDROM drive masquerade as a SCSI device. And SCSI ids will be assigned to devices in the order that you load the drivers. Since the OS wants to load to sd0, that means that you have to load the hard drive's driver before the CDROM's driver, especially in this case where the CD is on one bus and the HD is on another. By doing this, the CD doesn't steal sd0 away before the SCSI driver is loaded. My guess is that if you had the CD and the hard drive on the same bus (EIDE or SCSI) you'd never have this trouble. It's just the fact that there are two busses that confuse the installation. Anyway, this worked for me (Don Yacktman don@misckit.com). 6.32 Error message during boot time error, during boot message, bootstrap The following is a common error message you might encounter during the boot process just before the workspace starts up: bootstrap_register failed -- 102. You may ignore it savely. It will only occur if you didn't installed a sound driver. 6.33 Does NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP run with ... compatibility Although there are problems running NEXSTEP/OPENSTEP in conjunction with certain hardware, these problems are rare and most people got it working somehow. It's best to buy supported add-on cards listed in the Intel-Configuration section of NeXTanswers http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/. However most mainboards do work. Yes, this includes Pentium-Pro processors. NO, this excludes MP support (if you don't know what it is, never mind) (Okay, MP: Multi-Processing. Some boards are capable to keep more than one processor. However NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP doesn't take advantage of more than one processor). Also most multiprocessing boards do work with a single or more processors (even if a second or further processors aren't utilized) there are reports which indicate that there are problems with these boards. 6.34 RAM greater 64MB, now I get a black screen! screen, black black screen Many users discouver a nice effect: They add RAM to their computer so they have more than 64MB of RAM installed. After rebooting NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP only a black screen appears and the system is stalled. This is a common problem. Reboot using the default configuration or with the VGA driver installed. Run Configure and select your graphic driver. Enter a value greater 64MB (in hexadecimal numbering, eg.0xA000000) and save. That's it. Previously your drivers memory did collide with your computers memory. 6.35 Lost root password root, password password, root The following is a method on how to change the root password on an Intel based computer. However if the system is booted over a network this won't help. Boot in single user mode supplying '-s' to the boot prompt. Once the system is halted. Start NetInfo by running 'sh /etc/rc'. Now use 'nu -m' to change the password and reboot (enterying 'reboot' of course. Not pressing the power button! I didn't had to tell this, did I?) 7 STORAGE 7.1 Disktab help needed: ST15230N disktab ST15230N Seagate, ST15230 This is the /etc/disktab entry for the SEAGATE ST15230N. ST15230N_1024|SEAGATE ST15230N_1024:\ :ty=fixed_rw_scsi:nc#3992:nt#19:ns#59:ss#1024:rm#5411:\ :fp#160:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#32:z1#96:hn=localhost:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#512000:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#8:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:\ :pb#512000:sb#512000:bb#8192:fb#1024:cb#8:db#4096:rb#10:ob=time:\ :ib:tb=4.3BSD:\ :pc#1024000:sc#716800:bc#8192:fc#1024:cc#8:dc#4096:rc#10:oc=time:\ :ic:tc=4.3BSD: \ :pd#1740800:sd#1536000:bd#8192:fd#1024:cd#8:dd#4096:rd#10:od=time:\ :id:td=4.3BSD: \ :pe#3276800:se#1150000:be#8192:fe#1024:ce#8:de#4096:re#10:oe=time:\ :ie:te=4.3BSD: 7.2 Formatting DEC DSP3105 with 1024-byte blocks. DEC, DSP3105 DPS3105, 1024 block size disktab A DEC DSP3160S was reformatted with 1024-byte blocks using the following entry in /etc/disktab (two partitions) # DEC DSP3160S DSP3160S|DEC DSP3160S|DEC DSP3160S w/1024 b/sec as 2 partition:\ :ty=fixed_rw_scsi:nc#1302:nt#16:ns#75:ss#1024:rm#5403:\ :fp#160:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#32:z1#96:r0=a:\ :pa#0:sa#744000:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#7:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:\ :pb#744000:sb#818400:bb#8192:fb#1024:cb#7:db#4096:rb#10:ob=time:\ :ib:tb=4.3BSD: 7.3 My formatted disk has much less space then advertised! filesystem, overhead disk space space, disk filesystem, space Let's assume you bought a disk drive advertised with 400 MB unformatted capacity. Vendors are not consistent with the MB definition. You may have much less space less than you think you have. Which of the following did you buy? 400 * 1000 * 1000 = 400,000,000 bytes 400 * 1024 * 1000 = 409,600,000 bytes 400 * 1024 * 1024 = 419,430,400 bytes (for Quantum drives the following is true: Quantum defines 1MB to be exactly 1000000 Bytes). The disk must be formatted. This is often done by the vendor, but occasionally by the user. Formatting maps the disk into sectors. Space is reserved for the disk geometry and bad sectors. Formatting can take 10-20% of the capacity depending on the sector size. Common sector sizes are 512 and 1024. Generally, bigger sectors mean less waste. Once formatted, the UNIX file system must be created. On the NeXT, this is one of the steps performed by the BuildDisk application. It invokes the mkfs command to make a file system. This reserves space for the UNIX file system (e.g., superblocks, inode tables). This overhead can take another 2-3% of the available disk space. If you issue the df command, you may be surprised to see another 10 the available disk space has disappeared. The df command shows the total, used, and available disk space. The df units are in kbytes (1024 bytes). The sum of the used and available numbers will generally be about 10 allow the UNIX file system to be efficient in its storage allocation. If your disk fills up, only the superuser can store files in the remaining 10%. To complete the picture, here's a snapshot of what may occur: Capacity Lost/Used/Reserved Reason (in bytes) (in bytes) 419,430,000 19,430,000 Marketing hype (~5\%) 400,000,000 60,000,000 Formatting (~15\%) 340,000,000 6,800,000 UNIX file system (~2\%) 333,200,000 33,320,000 Efficiency & superuser (~10\%) 299,880,000 For more information, refer to the df and mkfs man pages. 7.4 Can't initialise my disk within the Workspace initializing Sometimes there are problem initializing disks. This only occurs if the disk is already formatted, but in a different format, e.g. the sector size was changed etc. Mostly you can overcome this problem by using the sdformat utility available on the FTP sites. (Not sdform by NeXT, which is incapable to do this). After using sdformat, you should be abel to further format the media within Workspace. 7.5 Initialing Opticals for NeXT OD, NeXT optical disk, OD OD, initializing Do the following: /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd1a 288339 1803 2 8192 1024 12 10 60 4096 t 7.6 How to use a tape drive ? tape drive Using Configure.app add the SCSITape driver to support any SCSI tape drives in the "Others" config. 7.7 How to recover from an partially formatted disk? recover, disk Often people (mostly on Intel) complain about a formatted disk (sometimes partially) due to an installation process error of some other OS. There is a chance to recover most of the data. The following assumes you are on Intel, other hardware user have to handle things much less complicated, but the way is similar: * Prepare a new hard drive for booting * Don't try to repair the broken drive! * On Intel run fdisk to repartition the drive as it was before. If you are not able to do this, you are lost. Delete all evtl. new created partitions. By repartitioning, you won't loose data on the drive. * Run disk on the broken drive e.g. type disk -rsd1h. * Now scan the disk for superblocks by entereing the scan command at the interactive disk command prompt. * If your disk was partially formatted, use a higher superblock number to supply fsck with an new superblock. E.g. if a superblock was found at 3145 use fsck -b3145 -y /dev/sd1a (assuming the first partition is the broken one). * After this run, it is most important to reboot without syncing the drives! E.g. just turn off the computer without shutting down, or use the reboot -n command. * After rebooting the run fsck again, if it isn't done by the system itself. * You should be able to access the drive again now. Recovered files are placed in the /lost+found directory. 7.8 What about the ZIP drive? IOmega, ZIP ZIP drive There are frequently asked questions about the IOmega ZIP drive. One question will be answered here: 'Yes, it works with NEXTSTEP'. For other question I'd like to point you to the ZIP-drive FAQ: http://www.radical.com/TheSolutions/RadicalSolution4.html 7.9 How to partition a 4GB drive 4GB drive 2GB partition limit Quantum sizes If you are going to use large drives (greater 2GB) you need to partition this drive (true at least for OS versions up to 4.0). These are the common ways to go without too much trouble and it provides an very easy way for 4GB drives under NS3.3. 1. Solution: disktab + If you need more than 3 partitions, you have to write a disktab entry! Using fdisk (Intel systems only) has no effect. + On how to write a disktab entry, read the NeXTanswers (search for partition) + other pointers are: 'scsimodes' and 'man disktab'. 2. Solution: installation on drive to partition + for Quantum drives the following is true: Quantum defines 1MB to be exactly 1.000.000 bytes. So if you are suited best by using 2 partitions on a Quantum Atlas 34300 (4.3GB drive-Quantum size, 4GB+5MB real size) + 2 partitions are automatically handled on all NS3.3 platforms + To easily install the drive by not writing a disktab entry do the following: o disconnect all other drives and connect the 4GB drive with ID 0 o start a plain NS3.3 installation via disks and the CD-ROM o when the installation of files starts (text based output) you may break the procedure (the disk will get fsck'ed later) or wait until the system reboots and hangs :-) (no fsck needed then) o you should previously have read some line telling you: initializing sd0b o now reconnect your old boot drives and restart NEXTSTEP with the old boot drives. Switch the 4GB drive to a different ID. o Only the first partition of the 4GB drive will get mounted automatically, this is due to a documented bug in the automounter. o to permanently mount both partitions, add your drive partitions to the /etc/fstab file. Test mounting and umounting by hand first. o everything should work fine now after a second reboot, and if you set up your fstab file correctly, both partitions will get mounted. + To switch the boot partition to the new 4GB drive continue with: o only the first partition is bootable (you'll notice that by doing a ls -l on the mount entry --- there is the 't' file mode) o (cd / ; gnutar -clf -)|(cd ; gnutar -xvpf -) This transfers your root partition to the new partition. o now try a boot from the new drive, by entering in the boot prompt: sd(x)mach_kernel (bsd for NeXT) 7.10 How to mount/ignore a disk during boot fstab mount, during boot disk, protection protection, disk disk, ignore foreign filesystems filesystem, ignore If you just format a new disk attached to your computer, it will get automounted by the Workspacemanager and unmounted when you log out. To utilize the disk during the boot process or to have fixed pathes and protections you need to create an entry in /etc/fstab for the drive. See the Unix manual pages for more details. This is also the solution for ignoring disks or partitions of a disk with a foreign filesystem, which the Workspacemanager otherwises would prompt you for formatting. A common mistake for /etc/fstab is to inlcude the noauto keyword in subsequent mounts. Don't include this keyword for further mount entries! 7.11 Can't read multisession CD-ROMs! CD-ROM, multisession multisession Argh. Yes it's true. The original NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP drivers can't read multisession CD-ROMs. Only the first session can be used. If it is audio, CDPlayer is started if it's data it is just automounted to become accessable though Worksapce manager. Luckily there is a commercial driver out there, which enables NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP to take advantage of multisession CD-ROMs. CDXA Driver Price DM 48,- (about $US 30) Uwe Tilemann Tools GmbH Adolfstr. 5 D-53111 Bonn GERMANY Phone: +49 0228 98580-0 Fax: +49 0228 98580-17 Email: ut@Tools.DE (NeXTmail/MIME) WWW: http://www.Tools.DE/ 8 PRINTING 8.1 What printers (laser or otherwise) may be used with NEXTSTEP? printer, NeXT Adding supported postscript printers is rather simple: * Get a serial cable (e.g., Macintosh to LaserWriter Plus), but check whether that works with your printer * Configure using Print Manager * Configure printer communication according to manufacturer's recommendations. (9600 baud software flow control). A sample printcap entry needs to be loaded into the netinfo database. You can use either niload printcap . , or use NetInfoManager to change the br and lp properties of your LaserJet. Using the default baud rate and /dev/ttya will also work, for most print jobs (if the printer is connected to this port). LaserJet_III: \ :note=LaserJet_III:ty=HP LaserJet III PostScript: \ :sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/LaserJet_III:lp=/dev/ttyfa: \ :lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:af=/usr/adm/lp.acct:br=19200:rw:fc\#0000374: \ :fs\#0000003:xc\#0:xs\#0040040:mx\#0:sf:sb:if=/usr/lib/transcript/psif: \ :of=/usr/lib/transcript/psof:gf=/usr/lib/transcript/psgf: \ :nf=/usr/lib/transcript/psnf:tf=/usr/lib/transcript/pstf: \ :rf=/usr/lib/transcript/psrf:vf=/usr/lib/transcript/psvf: \ :cf=/usr/lib/transcript/pscf:df=/usr/lib/transcript/psdf: HP printer configuration: auto cont = off (doesn't matter) I/O = serial serial=rs-232 (for LJ III only) baud rate = 19200 (or whatever baud rate you have in ni database/printcap) robust xon = on (doesn't matter) dtr polarity = hi startpage = off (doesn't matter) language=english ret = med (you choose for LJ III only) Note that if you modify the printcap this way you cannot reconfigure this particular printer entry with PrintManager. If you are using NEXTSTEP 2.0 and you use remote non-next printers, there is a bug that can be simply corrected by doing "dwrite system PrinterResolution 1" for each user trying to access non-next printers on the network. This not a problem in later NEXTSTEP versions. 8.2 What fonts can I use with NEXTSTEP? fonts Properly packaged Type 1 or 3 PostScript fonts will work with NEXTSTEP, but certain conversions may be necessary to get them to work. Freeware and shareware fonts are available on various ftp archives. There are utilities with NEXTSTEP to download fonts into postscript printers. Freeware and shareware Type 1 and 3 fonts in files Fonts-1.0-free.tar.Z and Fonts-2.0-sw.tar.Z. Each file unpacks into it's own directory. Within each directory is a ReadMe.rtf and a Makefile. See the ReadMe.rtf for more font descriptions and installation instructions. (You may also find comments in the Makefile of interest.) These packages were prepared by Doug Brenner . The same directory contains fonts Shalom (Hebrew and Yiddish in Old Style, Stick and Script typefaces, by Jonathan Brecher, shareware) and CyrillicGothic (san serif, by Jay Sekora). These were packaged by Jacob Gore to work with the Installer application. WSI-Fonts for NEXTSTEP \#1 Abstract Software POB 25045 Seattle, WA 98125-1945 Voice: 206 361 5080 info@abstractsoft.com Some fonts in Type 1 format for NEXTSTEP are also available from Y&Y: Y\&Y, 106 Indian Hill, Carlisle MA 01741 USA Voice: 800 742 4059 Voice: 508 371 3286 Fax: 508 371 2004 71172,524 on CompuServe 71172.524@compuserve.com from InterNet There is a font converter available in the MetroTools package by MetroSoft (info@metrosoft.com). 8.3 How can I save my printable documents to a postscript file? PS to file Select PRINT from the main menu, then select SAVE from the resulting print panel. 8.4 How can I print only the even or odd pages of a document? odd and even pages even and odd pages duplex printing double sided print I wish print on both sides by feeding the paper through twice. We must recommend against re-using laser printed paper in your printers. The reason is that the toner which is used is not very robust, in that when heated again (which happens when you print) it can come off the other side of the paper. This causes a mess to accumulate in your printer, and probably some pretty rude things to happen. psutils from comp.sources.misc is a much better solution, and includes a lot more capabilities, plus it is being updated constantly. 8.5 How do I get banner pages on my printer output? banner There is a sample banner prologue file in /usr/lib/NextPrinter that is sent to the printer before or after the print job depending on what printer attributes are set in NetInfo. Sounds gross, but it isn't. Start up NetInfo on your printer machine. Go to the printer directory, and open up your local printer by double clicking it. Select the append property from Directory menu. Replace the name with BannerAfter (or BannerBefore if you want the banner page printed first). The select the New Value option, and put in the name of the banner prologue file. If you do not wish to do fancy customization of the file, simply put the path to the NeXT sample banner file: /usr/lib/NextPrinter/banner.pro Save out the netinfo modifications. 8.6 How do I get [la]TeX files to print correctly on non-NeXT printers? Latex TeX If you are printing to a non-NeXT printer from NeXT TeX using dvips, make sure you specify the correct resolution (300 dpi, usually), either on the command line with -D300, or in the /usr/lib/tex/config.ps file with a line that looks like : D 300 If you are printing from within TeXView, you will have to choose CustomResolution and enter the correct number (300, usually) because of the way DefaultResolution defaults to 0. 8.7 What if I have a PostScript font has not been ported to NEXTSTEP? PS-Font to NeXT Many PostScript fonts port to NEXTSTEP with little effort. The easiest case is a font generated by Fontographer version 3.2 or above (a comment near the top of the file should say which program generated the font). This version of Fontographer can generate fonts "for NEXTSTEP". This means that no hacking of the font is needed, but you may need to make some adjustments to make it appear in your font panel. Suppose you were porting the font family Shalom, which consists of three faces: Old Style, Stick and Script. Here is the procedure to follow: * In a working folder of yours, create folders called: Shalom-OldStyle.font Shalom-Script.font Shalom-Stick.font Note that the font family name is to the left of the hyphen ("-"), and the typeface name is to the right and with no spaces in it. * Copy the outline font file for each typeface from wherever it is into its folder, and give it the name of the folder minus the ".font". For example, if you are doing this in a Terminal window: cp /Floppy/ShalomOldStyle.NeXT Shalom-OldStyle.font/Shalom-OldStyle cp /Floppy/ShalomScript.NeXT Shalom-Script.font/Shalom-Script cp /Floppy/ShalomStick.NeXT Shalom-Stick.font/Shalom-Stick If you are working in Workspace Manager's File Viewer, double-click on the big fat F icon to open the font directory as a folder, then you'll be able to rename files in it. * Do the same thing with the font metric files, but make the suffix ".afm": cp /Floppy/ShalomOldStyle.AFM Shalom-OldStyle.font/Shalom-OldStyle.afm cp /Floppy/ShalomScript.AFM Shalom-Script.font/Shalom-Script.afm cp /Floppy/ShalomStick.AFM Shalom-Stick.font/Shalom-Stick.afm * If there is a "read me" file with the font, or any other documentation, copy it into the .font folder too. For example, each of the Shalom font folders contains files ReadMe, CheatSheet.wn and Sample.wn specific to the typeface. * Edit the outline and font metric files to make them fit the NeXT AppKit's Font Panel, which is what most NextStep applications use to let you choose your font. + Editing the outline file, e.g., Shalom-OldStyle.font/Shalom-OldStyle: The original used "ShalomOldStyle" as the font's name, full name, and family name. We want the name to be "Shalom-OldStyle", the full name "Shalom Old Style", and family name just "Shalom". First, find the lines: /FullName (ShalomOldStyle) readonly def /FamilyName (ShalomOldStyle) readonly def and change them to: /FullName (Shalom Old Style) readonly def /FamilyName (Shalom) readonly def Then, replace all remaining occurrences of the string "ShalomOldStyle" with "Shalom-OldStyle". + Editing the AFM file, e.g., Shalom-OldStyle.font/Shalom-OldStyle.afm. Find the lines: FullName ShalomOldStyle FamilyName ShalomOldStyle and change them to: FullName Shalom Old Style FamilyName Shalom Replace all remaining occurrences of the string "ShalomOldStyle" with "Shalom-OldStyle". Repeat this procedure for the remaining typefaces. * You now have a font family ready to be installed. If the font family is to be used by your account only, place it in /Library/Fonts (creating it if necessary): mkdirs ~/Library/Fonts mv Shalom-*.font ~/Library/Fonts buildafmdir ~/Library/Fonts If everybody on your system should have access to this font family, place it (as superuser) in /LocalLibary/Fonts: su mkdirs /LocalLibrary/Fonts mv Shalom-*.font /LocalLibrary/Fonts buildafmdir /LocalLibrary/Fonts exit That's all you need to do for fonts generated by Fontographer version 3.2 or above. This will work with all applications that use AppKit's FontPanel. FrameMaker does not, so other changes may need to be done to keep FrameMaker happy [does anybody have something to add here?]. Fonts generated by Fontographer version 3.1 or below don't work in Display PostScript as they are, because they use a memory management trick that screws everything up in a multitasking environment like DPS. However, there is a simple, though kludgy, way to make them work. The problematic trick uses a dictionary with a name like "Fog3.1" ("Casa1" in Casady & Green's fonts) in which most of the font resides. The problem is that Fontographer puts that whole dictionary into dictionary 'userdict' and expects it to stay there. DPS, however, clears out 'userdict' between tasks, including the task that loads the font and the task that uses it. This makes the font useless on the screen, and printable only by prepending the outline font file to the file you want to print and sending the result to print in one task. The fix is to move the troublesome dictionary from 'userdict' into the font dictionary itself (unlike 'userdict', the font dictionary does stick around between tasks). Perform the following changes in the outline font file (the font CyrillicGothic is used as the example): * Find the line "%%EndProlog". It will be followed by the line like this: /\$CyrillicGothic 23 dict def \$CyrillicGothic begin Write down the number before 'dict' (in this case, 23). You will need it in the following step. Delete the dict definition, making the line look like this: \$CyrillicGothic begin * Go back to the beginning of the file. near the top of the font program, find the following lines: userdict/Fog3.1 known\{\{currentfile( )readstring \{(\%\%\%)eq\{exit\}if\}{pop exit\}ifelse\}loop \}if userdict begin/Fog3.1 45 dict def Fog3.1 begin and replace them with these: /\$CyrillicGothic 24 dict def \$CyrillicGothic begin/Fog3.1 45 dict def Fog3.1 begin The number before 'dict' (in this case, 24) is one greater than the number you wrote down in the previous step. * Find the line that defines procedure BuildChar: /BuildChar{Fog3.1/BuildChar get exec}def and change it as follows: /BuildChar{1 index begin Fog3.1/BuildChar get exec end}def * Go to the end of the file. The last line looks like this: /CyrillicGothic findfont/EFN get Fog3.1 begin\{RF\}forall end Delete it (or comment it out by placing one or more " beginning of it). The AFM file requires one adjustment. Change the line EncodingScheme AppleStandard to EncodingScheme AdobeStandardEncoding This concludes conversion of a font generated by Fontographer version 3.1 or lower to work with NEXTSTEP. You may still need to make the changes described for version 3.2 and above, to make the font fit the NEXTSTEP font panel. Short note: under NEXTSTEP 3.3 there is no need to call buildafmdir by hand. It's triggered automatically by the Font panel. 8.8 What color printers (laser or otherwise) may be used with NEXTSTEP? printer, color The (no longer sold) NeXT/Canon SCSI color printer, of course! With Dots Color, the HP DeskJet 500C can print in color today, under NEXTSTEP 2.1, and it costs significantly less than $1000 (in Germany at least). In Germany you can get more information from: d'ART Software GmbH Virchowstr. 17-19 W-2000 Hamburg 50 Germany Voice: +49 40 380 23 0 Fax: +49 40 380 23 290 software@dart.de JetPilot from Interpersonal Computer does this jobs also very well. You can get more information from: interpersonal computing GmbH Oettingenstrasse 2 W-80538 Muenchen Germany Voice: +49 89 22 28 63 Fax: +49 89 22 33 76 info@interpc.de 8.9 How can I make the Page Layout default to A4 in all applications? A4 default size Add "NXPaperType A4" in the "GLOBAL" preferences. 8.10 /usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pstf: syntax error at line 31: `end of file' unexpected? Using lpr -t, or lpr -d causes this problem. eg: [...] cat /usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pstf [...] Christopher Lane has pointed out 3 (three!) errors in the distributed NEXTSTEP 3.0 lpd.comm file The last change is my own. It worked for the 1 (one!) dvi file I tried. tilley\% diff lpd.comm.DIST lpd.comm 11,12c11,12 < while "x\$1" != x do < case "\$1" in --- > while test \$\# != 0 > do case "\$1" in 16c16 < -h) HOST=\$"; shift;; --- > -h) HOST=\$2; shift;; 17a18 > esac 21c22 < PRSERVER="/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/prserver -p \$PRINTER -n \$USER -h HOST -f -" --- > PRSERVER="/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/prserver -p \$PRINTER -n \$USER -h \$HOST -f -" 27c28 < psdf) psbad \$FILTER \$PRINTER \$USER \$HOST | \$PRSERVER;; --- > psdf) dvips -f -D 400 -r | \$PRSERVER ;; 8.11 How to get TeX with NEXTSTEP to make proper fonts for a 600 dpi laserwriter? 600dpi TeX fonts TeX, 600dpi If you upgrade to a 600 dpi laserwriter then the version of TeX that ships with NEXTSTEP (either 2.X or 3.0) does not know about 600 dpi fonts, i.e. does not know how to make them and will instead use scaled 400 dpi ones (which look significantly worse at 600 dpi than they do at 400 dpi). Some simple modifications to a few Metafont files and rebuilding the metafont bases are all that is needed. What to do to get the 600 dpi stuff working is as follows: * Edit /usr/lib/mf/inputs/next.mf and add a laserjetIV mode. Simply copy the entire imagen mode, change the name to laserjetIV, and change the pixels_per_inch to 600. Save the changed file. * Build a new mf.base file by executing the following commands: inimf "plain; input next; dump" (as superuser): cp plain.base /usr/lib/mf/bases/mf.base * Edit /usr/lib/tex/ps/config.ps and change the `D 400' line to `D 600' (you may have `D 300' or something else if you've set up a different printer.) * Edit /usr/bin/MakeTeXPK (as superuser), adding the lines elif test $BDPI = 600 then MODE=laserjetIV right before the second `else' in the file. That should do it! You might have to (depending on how you configure NEXTSTEP for the LaserJet IV) select `custom resolution' and set the gadget to 600 in the TeXview print panel, and save Preferences. These instructions are written for an HP Laserjet IV, but they should also work for a QMS printer just fine. Finally, if you have one of these printers and work in a "mixed" environment with perhaps 400 dpi and/or 300 dpi printers that you also print to on a regular basis then you might want to consider getting Type 1 PS version of the Computer Modern fonts instead. They obviate the need for the instructions above, and the savings in disc space will be considerable since having printer fonts for several printers takes lots of room, and the file sizes for 600 dpi are quite large (the files grow roughly as D logD, where D is the resolution). These fonts are made by Blue Sky Research, and work beautifully. Y&Y software is a reseller for BSR and sells a "NEXTSTEP specific" version of them which comes with appropriate instructions and installation scripts. 8.12 How to get printer description files (PPD)? PPD, where? printer description files, PPD Adobe has a mail server and ftp site where you can get .PPD files. They are: ps-file-server@adobe.com (put "send help" in the mail body) ftp.mv.us.adobe.com 8.13 What are the Canon part numbers for ink cartridges equivalent to those NeXT's Color Printer uses? ink cartridge, Canon Canon, ink cartridge Part Numbers are: Red: BJI-643 M Yellow: BJI-643 Y Blue: BJI-643 C Black: BJI-643 Bk 8.14 JetPilot does not work with my JetDirect box, why? JetPilot, JetDirect JetDirect, JetPilot eXTRAPRINT It seems, that there is a bug in the /etc/rc-script. The bootpd is given with to arguments -a -f, which are not available for the bootpd under 3.3. Make an entry in /etc/bootptab like this: \# \# host htype haddr iaddr bootfile \# printer 1 XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX where * host: your given hostname for the printer (eg. picasso) * haddr: The Ethernet hardware address (Can be seen, if you press the TEST-Key on your JetDirect box. * iaddr: Is the hostaddress for the printer (eg. 192.42.172.1) Entries have to be done also in the Netinfo-database. It's like adding a new host. Insert the following line to your etc/rc.local script: \# \# Starting JetDirect-Printer configuration \# fbshow -B -I "Starting Printer initialization" -z 92 /usr/etc/bootpd -d /etc/bootptab >/dev/console 2>\&1 There is an additional FAQ available at: ftp://ftp.gscorp.com/pub/support/HP_JetDirect_Configuration.rtfd.tar.g z 8.15 powering down NeXTprinter during bootup, printer still works power down, printer printer, printer down Type the following to your rc.local. \#turn off NeXT laser printer. fbshow -B -I "Powering off NeXTprinter" -z 95 if [ -f /usr/etc/nppower ]; then sleep 3 /usr/etc/nppower off (echo 'powering off NeXTprinter') >/dev/console fi This works fine... the printer powers down immediately, and is available for any app which wants it. 8.16 How to set up the HP LaserJet 4M? HP Laserjet 4M I solved the problem by building a serial cable based upon the pinouts supplied by HP in their manual. Please note that the LJIII cable does not work. In particular, pin 1 from the DIN plug must be connected to pin 6 of the DB25. I used 38500 bps on both sides, and the 600 dpi ppd. Emulex offers the NETJet network interface which speaks lpd protocol, unlike the HP unit. 8.17 Laserwriter NTX & NEXTSTEP Laserwriter NTX This are the pin assignments. Eight-pin mini DIN-8 RS-422 Port Pin Signal Description 1,3 SG Signal Ground 4 TxD+ Transmit Data + 5 TxD- Transmit Data - 8 RxD+ Receive Data + 9 RxD- Receive Data - IBM-compatible DB-25 Plug LaserWriter DB-25 Plug Signal Pin Pin Signal Shield 1 ............ 1 Shield TxD 2 ............ 3 RxD RxD 3 ............ 2 TxD RTS 4 ............ 4 RTS CTS 5 ............ 5 CTS DSR 6 ............ 8 DCD GND 7 ............ 7 GND ............ 20 DTR The other aspect is to set the DIP switch on the printer. Here are the DIP switch settings: Switch 1 Switch 2 Meaning UP UP LocalTalk---RS-232 port disabled DOWN UP Serial ports at 1200 Baud UP DOWN Serial ports at 9600 Baud DOWN DOWN RS-232 at 9600 Baud; RS-422 at 0 Baud Switches 3 and 4 can probably be ignored---they're for strange stuff like Diablo 630 and HP LaserJet emulation modes. Switch 5 Switch 6 Meaning DOWN DOWN XON/XOFF UP UP XON/XOFF DOWN UP ETX/ACK UP DOWN DSR 8.18 Problems with gray levels in printout gray levels color space PS Level2 If you have problems with your shades of gray (e.g. light gray is indistinguishable from white) this might be well a problem in the Level2 Color Space calibration of your printer. To ensure, it's a problem of your printer (and not a problem of the printer driver or PPD file) try the following: * Save a printout to a file * Edit the following line in your printout file: /\_NXLevel2 systemdict/languagelevel known {languagelevel 2 ge}{false}i felse \_\_NXdef to: /\_NXLevel2 false \_\_NXdef * Send the modified file directly to the printer using the commandline command lpr. If you still have problem with the shades of gray, the printer driver/PPD file is probably broken, otherwise your printer is broken, which means he has problems with the Level2 color space calibration (The given correction turns PS Level2 off). 8.19 Can't print using additional fonts printer, fonts In rare circumstances some printers refuse to print, if they don't recognize a font. In these cases add the _nxfinal form property to the printer's property list with NetInfo. 9 OBSOLETE BUT STILL INTERESTING? This chapter contains information covered in the early days of the FAQs. It is not updated anymore. Note that with new releases of NEXTSTEP and OpenStep some information might still be useful to those, who e.g. didn't update. 9.1 Where can I get NeXT paraphernalia? Paraphernalia These parts can be ordered. NeXT T-shirts Classic NeXT logo on front $6.95 each (S-XL) 3.1 NEXTSTEP logo on front $7.95 each (M-XXL) NeXT Pencils $20.30 box of 100 NeXT Cross Pen $21.15 each NeXT Decals $75.00 box of 100 NeXT T-shirt $ 5.65 each - sizes S, M, L, XL (pre-shrunk) Turtle Neck $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Glass Mug $ 1.70 each Leather Folder $54.50 each NeXT Sweatshirt $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Tote-bag $ 6.25 each NeXT Mouse pad $ 9.67 each Orders can be taken 24 hours a day for domestic and overseas orders Contact: Hermann Marketing -------- 1400 North Price Road St. Louis, MO 63132-2308 Phone: 1 800 972 1331, 314 432 1800 Fax: 314 432 1818 Method of payment: Purchase order, check, money order, or credit card 9.2 Is there any way to change the text in the title bar of a terminal window? There is no way of changing the title bar of a Terminal.app window in 2.x; in 3.x there is. Check Preferences (Title Bar): set CustomTitle, type in the title, and hit CR (or Set Window) and voila! [From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge)] Actually, there is a way to change the title bar of a Terminal window in 2.x (at least in 2.1 which is what I am using). It is somewhat limited but it might be useful to some. The trick is to make a symbolic link between /bin/csh (or whichever shell one wishes to use) and a file in / named "Whatever_you_want_to_appear_in_the_title_bar". Then select this new "shell" in the terminal preference and, voila!, you'll have your terminal window with /Whatever_you..... in the title bar. You can edit Stuart's titlebar interactively from the "Window..." Inspector (Command-3). Stuart provides emulation of certain Operating System Command (OSC) sequences which can be used to modify the titlebar under subprocess control. Stuart can change the title of the current window from the command line. In Stuart is possible to get more descriptive titles by linking /usr/ucb/rsh to /usr/hosts/. Then by adding /usr/hosts to your Stuart ShellPath you can then get the hostname into the title bar: $ dwrite StuartShellPaths <various dirs>:/usr/hosts You should then type in the hostname as the shell to invoke (disable the "Shell reads .login file" for this. You can also add hosts to your .Stuartrc file: Shell=golem.ps.uci.edu SourceDotLogin=NO WinLocX=545 WinLocY=563 Lines=24 | WinLocX=76 WinLocY=833 For the localhost, link /bin/csh to /usr/hosts/, or even better /usr/local/bin/tcsh instead of using rsh. [From: Garance A Drosehn ] For what it's worth, I do this with a script called "telnet_to" and a (bash) function called "telnet_window". The function simply does a local soil_pars="-Lines 32 -Keypad YES -Reverse \ YES -Strict YES -TestExit YES"; soil -Shell "telnet_to $1" $soil_pars and the script is just: #!bin/sh /usr/ucb/telnet $* echo ' ' echo ' --> telnet exited, press enter to close window.' read -r Waste_Var exit 0 This has a number of advantages, not the least of which being that I can pop up a "telnet_window" to anywhere. I don't have to create links for each host (though I do create aliases for the most common hosts), and I can type "telnet_window" (or, e.g., "tel_aix") as a unix command. Also, if I lose the connection suddenly then the window stays around until I get a chance to see what happened. I use telnet instead of rsh because I generally connect to hosts which won't accept rsh's. 9.3 I can't get my pictures in OmniWeb OmniWeb You have to install the OmniImage.service in your /Library/Services or /LocalLibrary/Services (This is also a nice way to get pictures converted in other applications as well. You can ftp this from ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de 9.4 How do I remap the and | keys on my keyboard? Keyboard NeXT introduced a new keyboard configuration with the 040 products. The | keys which had been located on the main keyboard was moved to the numeric keypad. Many users have since complained about it, and a work around is to remap these keys using the demo application Keyboard (/NextDeveloper/Demos/Keyboard), Mike Carlton's keyboardfix program: ftp.cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/sources/next-interface/keyboardfix.tar.Z ...which lets you put these keys on shift-return or shift-delete. One can hope that there will be a choice of keyboards in the future. 9.5 How do I stop NeXTMail/Sendmail adding &Mcirc;s onto the end of lines? Sendmail In /etc/sendmail.cf make this change: [old code] ##### UUCP Mailer specification ##### Muucp, P=/usr/bin/uux, F=msDFMhuU, S=13, R=23, [new code] ##### UUCP Mailer specification ##### Muucp, P=/usr/bin/uux, F=msDFMhuU, S=13, R=23, E=\n, This has been fixed in 3.1, and the default mailhost sendmail is UUCP oriented. 9.6 Why does NEXTSTEP 1.0 hang a few seconds after attempting to boot? Boot hang, NS1.0 Release 1.0 contains a bug that can corrupt the kernel /odmach if a user attempts to launch /odmach from the browser. The solution is to copy a clean /odmach from another NeXT system. Be sure to change the permissions of the newly installed /odmach to remove execute permissions to prevent future occurrences of the same problem. Release 1.0a and beyond do not have this problem. It is possible for the sdmach to get corrupted in the same way. Boot from the OD, copy an uncorrupted version of the kernel to the hard disk, and remove the execute bits from sdmach. 9.7 Modem hangs under NS2.0 by incoming calls modem calls, incoming There is a bug in the serial driver which causes getty to get stuck. The situation arises after a successful uucico connection, subsequent connections via modem will get a connection with the modem, but no login prompt. This is caused by getty hanging. A simple work around is to have a process run in cron to reset the getty every 15 minutes: #! /bin/sh -u PIDS=`ps -ax | bm getty | grep -v bm | awk '{print $1}'` kill -TERM $PIDS Of course trying to connect when the script is running will not allow you to connect, try again a minute later. This fix will not affect on-going UUCP or interactive connections. This will probably be fixed in the next kernel release. This bug is corrected in NEXTSTEP 2.1 and later releases. 9.8 NS2.0 doesn't recognize /LocalApps path /LocalApps, NS2.0 Workspace has its own internal application path. In 2.0 /LocalApps was omitted. Improv needs to have /LocalApps in the Workspace path if you have Improve installed in /LocalApps. The work around in 2.0 only is: dwrite Workspace ApplicationPaths "~/Apps:/LocalApps:/NextApps: \ /NextDeveloper/Apps:/NextAdmin:/NextDeveloper/Demos" This bug is corrected in NEXTSTEP 2.1 and later releases. _________________________________________________________________ This document was converted from LaTeX using Karl Ewald's latex2html. -- -- Bernhard Scholz (IRC: Boerny) scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de http://peanuts.leo.org/ scholz@ve1.rm.op.dlr.de http://www.leo.org/~scholz/
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I'm still confused. Can someone help me? Date: 26 Oct 1996 18:31:37 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <54tle9$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <9610251236.AA28934@basil.icce.rug.nl> tom@basil.icce.rug.nl (Tom Hageman) wrote: > - the names of the picture files must match _exactly_ with the > email address of the sender. If you want to see them in Alexandra > or Newsgrazer (and possibly other newsreaders) as well, you should > replace the `@' in the filename with a `.'. I just want to point out again that I've patched Alexandra to be directly compatible to Mail.app, i.e. wanting the "@" and also reading the aliases file. If somebody wants the patch I can mail it to her/him. > Trust me, you don't want to maintain these by hand after you get > more than a couple of dozen pictures :-) True. I'm just working on a new script which will refelect the Alexandra patch and do a few other things hopefully better so that confusion may fade... Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail pictures where? (was: Re: I'm still confused. Can someone help me?) Date: 26 Oct 1996 18:35:39 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <54tllr$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <9610251236.AA28934@basil.icce.rug.nl> <54tle9$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Now that we're at it: is there a central archive of mail TIFFs of the comp.sys.next community anywhere? I was looking at peak.org but couldn't find more than two or three pictures of those actively involved in discussions here... Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: Allen Kuo <akuo@appmath.columbia.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep 4.0 and Tex Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:18:47 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <32725607.41C67EA6@appmath.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just purchased OpenStep 4.0 for Mach on Intel, only to find out Tex no longer comes with the operating system as it did with NextStep. Given that building Tex on Unix machines is hardware specific, and that I desperately need Tex to write my papers, does this mean I'm screwed? I guess my question really is: How can I get Tex/Latex on an Intel machine running OpenStep 4.0 ? Sincerely, Allen Kuo akuo@appmath.columbia.edu
From: colby@agora.rdrop.com (Keith Colbaugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: disk Date: 26 Oct 96 17:58:28 GMT Organization: RainDrop Laboratories/Agora(sm) Message-ID: <colby.846352708@agora.rdrop.com> Summary: disk on pc Keywords: pc How do I read a NeXT floppy on a pc mith win95?
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mail pictures where? (was: Re: I'm still confused. Can someone help me?) Date: 27 Oct 1996 00:14:42 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-g-64.usc.edu Message-ID: <54u9hi$gdk@usc.edu> References: <9610251236.AA28934@basil.icce.rug.nl> <54tle9$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <54tllr$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Cc: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de In <54tllr$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > Now that we're at it: > > is there a central archive of mail TIFFs of the comp.sys.next community > anywhere? > > I was looking at peak.org but couldn't find more than two or three pictures > of those actively involved in discussions here... I think the main site has been generously granted at: ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next/Images/People/ created for use with the newest mail.app bundles -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTStep v.3.3 m68k :: NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Adobe Sonata Font: where to get from? Date: 26 Oct 1996 18:53:18 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Message-ID: <54tmmu$f3@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <54fqra$j0@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to have a look at several music notation programs which > all require the Adobe Sonata Font for NEXTSTEP. > > Since the marketplace for NEXTSTEP fonts seems to be very limited > :-((, I don't know where to find it. Can anybody give me a hint? > > Thanks a lot! So far I got no single response... This font MUST be available somewhere... :-( Bye Uli -- ______________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine ______________________________________________________________________
From: jmcnalle@attila.stevens-tech.edu (James McNalley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mouse on black hardware Date: 27 Oct 1996 04:18:32 GMT Organization: Stevens Institute of Technology Message-ID: <54unqo$3g9@apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu> I'm just starting to admin a bunch of NeXT Stations, and am not having too much trouble picking up NEXTSTEP, however I'm having a lot of trouble with the mouse. I can't seem to find a way to increase the pointer's motion with respect to the mouse. I found the "mouse speed" option in the preferences, but that is actually acceleration, which is not what I'd want (I want the pointer to move quickly *always*, and not accelerate/decelerate depending on how fast I move the mouse). Is there any way I can change the pointer's properties to better suite my needs (something like xset m 3 1 would be nice, but then that would be X, and I'd much rather find out how to do it the NeXT way :) Thanks! -- James E. McNalley | Quote of the day: " Linux / Unix hacker| Hoboken, NJ | jmcnalle@attila.stevens-tech.edu
From: jyu@kudonet.com (Jin Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WAV files Date: 27 Oct 1996 00:03:00 GMT Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Message-ID: <54u8rk$hb7@kudo.kudonet.com> anyone knows how to play Microsoft WAV files on my 68K next? i know 'sox' can convert from WAV to SND, but the conversion is very lossy. thanks. please reply by email... jin
From: dwy@mcny.com (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: disk Date: 27 Oct 1996 19:44:58 GMT Organization: Media Connection of New York, Inc. Message-ID: <550e3q$kup@alice.walrus.com> References: <colby.846352708@agora.rdrop.com> Keith Colbaugh (colby@agora.rdrop.com) wrote: : How do I read a NeXT floppy on a pc mith win95? You don't. (Where do you want to be taken today?) -- # david young: network engineer+oop developer # net: dwy@mcny.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok) web: http://www.ace.net/ # vox: 212.686.3845 201.798.5217 fax: 212.686.3856
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From: Eric Jenkinson <ejenkins@mail.cswnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS market? Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:03:43 -0600 Organization: Source Communications Message-ID: <3273C01F.4712@mail.cswnet.com> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547gs6$131@news.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net> <548hm5$s42@news.onramp.net> <54fhhe$794@news.asu.edu> <326C6201.746302A@nol.net> <54l3ht$aom@news.asu.edu> <54s8m6$ftb@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy wrote: > Here is my $.05 for all it's worth. I probably will go back into my silent > state again. Since everyone banters this about, and NeXT is even > more silent than I on anything. I liken NeXT to a black hole or pulsar > that most of the time just sucks everything in (money, good will, etc.) > and once in a while spews out a signal.. > > I was going to delete it. But what the heck.. > > The rest about budget, and competitive issues deleted. Myself and many > others have proposed that Adobe and NeXT simply release the source for > the OS. > > They don't have to do anything else. I personally think the window > is closing on this kind of move. The only problem I can see with > it is that Adobe and NeXT both have to agree to DO IT. > > The potential benefits would be enormous. > > (1) Tons of linux folks would jump all over it. > There are some highly qualified people in this bunch (100's at > least) and they do their work for free!! > > (2) GNUstep folks would jump in instantly.. They are working > for peanuts if not for free. > > (3) The press would jump all over it because it would be a move > that was only seen once (DOS?!) !! And this alone if promoted > just a little (say 100-250K just to make phone calls, prep > people for some big announcement from Adobe and NeXT.. Hell > time it in conjunction with some big show) could be worth more > than 10-15Million in advertising easily!! (I think 100Million) > > (4) ISV's spirits would be lifted.. Many would start coming back > but begrudgingly I'd bet. New ones would jump on quickly. > > (5) OS would get ported to just about every platform that exists > which for NeXT and Sun would mean Openstep everywhere.. IT > would take time, but I'm absolutely postive in a couple of > years it would find it's way on to every platform out there. > > (6) So if it was free why wouldn't people want to try it?! > And once they saw it I'm sure if they can still reboot > into their other OS's they'd eventually be booting more > and more into NS/OS.. > > (7) All this would/could definately be good for NeXT since they > could sell a NeXT certified version (like GNUstep does) to > business clients, provide support.. What better for a > consulting/support company to have tons of potential clients. > > (8) Current clients would love it since the more people who use > NS/OS and program in it the more people there are to work > for them (like hiring staff/programmers etc.) > > (9) ISV's would have huge base of clients to sell software too. > Please, surely there is a way to set up the agreements and > licenses so that people can still sell shrinkwrapped apps > (binaries) for the platform. NeXT could keep it's hands > on all the apps they've created, but they'd have to compete > with others who might make something like Edit, or Mail, > Project Builder, etc. > > (10) The good faith that would be generated (perticularly amoungst > everyone who has felt abandoned etc.) would be enormous.. > > (11) NeXT wouldn't have to deal with complaints about unsupported > this, buggy that (except their own software) and could say > just go fix it yourself or pay us to fix it for you.. > They wouldn't need the support team except for the NeXT > added software features and functions. > > (12) Basically all of the above either costs no extra $$ to > implement, or minimal expense compared to what is spent now. > I would have to agree with that plan of action. Four or more years ago UNIX was an obscure term to many, and to those who knew of it and wished to run it could not because of the high barrier to entry created by the cost of any of UNIX flavors. Now afer LINUX many people were afforded the opportunity to run and use a form of UNIX. Many did not like what they seen, and many more either stayed with LINUX or found another flavor of UNIX and went in that direction. Now with LINUX and the Internet UNIX has had new life. It is now not too uncommon to see books and magazines on UNIX. Interest and knowlege of UNIX is flourishing today. It is no longer the obscure OS that it was a few years ago. I understand that LINUX was not the first free UNIX, but it was and is the most known. NeXT in my opinion has a lot more to loose in not releasing thier source than they would loose if they were to release it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: terry@modesty.com Subject: cancel: khpHOT TECHNOLOGIES AND FREE STUFFQj&$0<Vi Message-ID: <cancel.a1b7cc$df20.21d@nntphost.bbsi.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:15:32 GMT Control: cancel <a1b7cc$df20.21d@nntphost.bbsi.net> Spam killing
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS marke Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:37:43 -0500 Organization: Illinois State University- Instructional Technology Services Message-ID: <3274D33F.5E90@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <54kos6$5r4@netty.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger Peppe wrote: > there is one that offers the potential... > > check out : > http://www.lucent.com/inferno/ > > as ground breaking a platform as the first Unix was when > that first appeared, IMO. Except that Inferno is *NOT* object-oriented... -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ytalk:eadubie@138.87.201.11 Instructional Technology Services- Illinois State University Smaller Government and LIBERTY NOW! Vote for it- LIBERTARIANS! http://www.lp.org ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: moellney@simtec.imr.mb.uni-siegen.de (Michael Möllney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.0 and Tex Date: 28 Oct 1996 08:33:18 GMT Organization: Uni Siegen Message-ID: <551r4e$rqf@si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de> References: <32725607.41C67EA6@appmath.columbia.edu> Keywords: teTeX Cc: akuo@appmath.columbia.edu In <32725607.41C67EA6@appmath.columbia.edu> Allen Kuo wrote: > I just purchased OpenStep 4.0 for Mach on Intel, only to find out Tex no > longer comes with the operating system as it did with NextStep. Given > that building Tex on Unix machines is hardware specific, and that I > desperately need Tex to write my papers, does this mean I'm screwed? > > I guess my question really is: How can I get Tex/Latex on an Intel > machine running OpenStep 4.0 ? > We installed teTeX (incl. LaTeX2e) You can find it in ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/comp/tex/teTeX/distrib in binaries there are the precompiled bins for NeXTSTEP ehm sorry OPENSTEP in source you find teTeX-lib in base you find latex-base and tetex-base get it all and install it under /usr/local/teTeX in /usr/local/teTeX/bin you will find a texconfig (menu driven configuration tool) on ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Text/tex/apps you find: TeXmenu <- get this !!!! you don't need it but you will miss it!!!! TeXview-3.0l-kp0.25..... or TeXview-grey-.... TeXview for teTeX (with antialiasing <-> grey) that's all, have fun Michael > > Sincerely, > Allen Kuo > akuo@appmath.columbia.edu >
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS marke Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 28 Oct 1996 09:41:21 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <551v41$hv6@news.asu.edu> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <01bbbdd5$69724200$5b1018ce@barrington> <54kos6$5r4@netty.york.ac.uk> <3274D33F.5E90@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Moreover, Inferno is not ground breaking either. Eric A. Dubiel (eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu) wrote: : Roger Peppe wrote: : > there is one that offers the potential... : > : > check out : : > http://www.lucent.com/inferno/ : > : > as ground breaking a platform as the first Unix was when : > that first appeared, IMO. : Except that Inferno is *NOT* object-oriented... : -- : Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie : mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ASCII, MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail : ytalk:eadubie@138.87.201.11 Instructional Technology Services- Illinois : State University : Smaller Government and LIBERTY NOW! Vote for it- LIBERTARIANS! : http://www.lp.org : ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nextstep<->Linux file transfers Date: 28 Oct 1996 14:30:57 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <552g31$mph@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <326A093B.5BB41C20@postman.riken.go.jp> Sidney Lehky (sidney@postman.riken.go.jp) wrote: : How does one transfer files between the Nextstep and Linux : disk partitions of a Nextstep/Linux/Windows NT triple-boot : machine? There's an read-only ufs filesystem module for Linux that's able to mount NEXTSTEP partitions. But it's a little bit work to get it installed, and you'll have to re-make your kernel. It's available on sunsite.unc.edu in the ALPHA/ufs directory. -- | Gregor Hoffleit Mathematisches Institut, Uni HD | | flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany | | (NeXTmail, MIME) (49)6221 54-5771 fax 54-8312 | | PGP Key fingerprint = 23 8F B3 38 A3 39 A6 01 5B 99 91 D6 F2 AC CD C7 |
From: Hans Shimizu Karlsson <hanske@pobox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q}downloading mac binaries in one piece Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:08:06 GMT Organization: Global OnLine Japan Message-ID: <961028230806.1161AAC1E.hanske@raven> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Keywords: Mac download binaries OmniWeb Opener Hello I was wondering how to download Mac binaries with OmniWeb and keeping them in one piece, so that you can just transfer to the Mac and double click. Is the problem that Opener automatically unpacks the app, splitting it up into the three Mac resource files? Ifso, how do you deactivate auto- decompression? Or - is there some way of restoring the integrity of the binary?
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q}downloading mac binaries in one piece Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:24:56 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961028102255.3805A-100000@kira> References: <961028230806.1161AAC1E.hanske@raven> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Hans Shimizu Karlsson <hanske@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: <961028230806.1161AAC1E.hanske@raven> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Hans Shimizu Karlsson wrote: > Is the problem that Opener automatically unpacks the app, splitting it up > into the three Mac resource files? Ifso, how do you deactivate auto- > decompression? > > Or - is there some way of restoring the integrity of the binary? Hmm... good question. 1) can you drag the mac file (still compressed) to your Home? That might allow it to be copied. 2) check out the /tmp folder and see if the compressed folder is there even after Opener.app has its way with the file... TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> New Submissions Coordinator/PEAK FTP Site Personal/NeXT Web Page: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP area: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next http://www.next.peak.org/ftp/pub/next
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q}downloading mac binaries in one piece Date: 28 Oct 1996 20:59:58 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5536se$a5g@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <961028230806.1161AAC1E.hanske@raven> Hans Shimizu Karlsson <hanske@pobox.com> wrote: : Hello : I was wondering how to download Mac binaries with OmniWeb and keeping them : in one piece, so that you can just transfer to the Mac and double click. : Is the problem that Opener automatically unpacks the app, splitting it up : into the three Mac resource files? Ifso, how do you deactivate auto- : decompression? You'll find the compressed file somewhere under /tmp/OmniWeb/... -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q}downloading mac binaries in one piece Date: 28 Oct 1996 20:55:39 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-i-22.usc.edu Message-ID: <5536kb$9b7@usc.edu> References: <961028230806.1161AAC1E.hanske@raven> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961028102255.3805A-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.SUN.3.95.961028102255.3805A-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Hans Shimizu Karlsson wrote: > > > Is the problem that Opener automatically unpacks the app, > > splitting it up into the three Mac resource files? Ifso, > > how do you deactivate auto- decompression? > > > > Or - is there some way of restoring the integrity of the > > binary? > > Hmm... good question. > > 1) can you drag the mac file (still compressed) to your > Home? That might allow it to be copied. > > 2) check out the /tmp folder and see if the compressed > folder is there even after Opener.app has its way with the > file... I'm pretty sure that the original compressed file is in /tmp/OmniWeb/[sessioni.d]/ -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP" Computer Privacy Information --> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/
From: hermes@bermuda.io.com (quest) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: supercrash. help _pleeez._ Date: 28 Oct 1996 21:56:55 -0600 Organization: grapefruit juice Message-ID: <ywlk9saqv7c.fsf@bermuda.io.com> in attempting to get ppp up and running on my cube ('040 with an nd board), i somehow managed to crash it seemingly beyond repair (at least beyond _my_ knowledge of how to repair it). the first few times through, after a few errors, it hung on "inetd". if i ^C'ed through that it hung again on "pbs". if i once again ^C'ed it would more or less continue booting (it lost a few lines in the ppp part of the boot process), it would acknowledge the nd board, the cursor would appear, and then it hung. i was able to restart it a few times, and played around with the monitor at various points during boot, but it was to no avail. then, at the beginning of the end, it completely locked up at the final part of the boot, just before the login window should of come up. and i had to physically disconnect power to it. the couple of times that i've tried to boot since then, it shows the "checking system" message and graphic, and then an animated graphic with an earthworm- looking cable attached to an ethernet t pops up, with the message "receiving network data" (or something to that effect). never mind the fact that i'm _not_ on a network, and that's why i was trying to get ppp up and working to begin with. i would be _so_ happy for _any_ help at all.. thanx, dave -- o oo oo oo ooo oo o o hermes@io.com o o oo o o o o starboy@javanet.com o o o http://xochipilli.com/~hermes
From: clientserver@msn.com (Richard Goode) Subject: WASH DC => Web Objects/ Obj - C/ EOF Date: 29 Oct 96 00:28:47 -0800 Message-ID: <00001c41+00000db9@msn.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Client/Server Resources has cutting edge opportunities in the Washington DC Metro Area for: NeXTStep Developers Responsibilities include design and development of the common object model. Work with other project teams to solidify the design of the common object model through the following development cycles: Requirement Analysis Functional Design Technical Design Construction Application Testing Qualifications: Application of OO design techniques and methodologies 3+ yrs C++ and/or Objective C programming experience 1+ yr UNIX Operating System experience NeXTStep, OpenStep, and Windows NT Operating System experience a plus Knowledge of major RDBMS (Sybase is ideal) Strong interest in EOF and Web Objects e-mail your resume TODAY!!! ====> clientserver@msn.com Fax ====> (301) 983-4728 Snail mail to: Client/Server Resources P.O. Box 61351 Potomac, Maryland 20859-1351 Tel: (301) 983-6942 Fax: (301) 983-4728 e-mail: clientserver@msn.com
From: "Art Taylor" <artt@nobeltec.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How does one get the nifty new GUI for OpenStep/Mach? Date: 29 Oct 1996 17:31:28 GMT Organization: Nobeltec Corp. Message-ID: <01bbc5bf$2743c9c0$661137cf@artt1.nobeltec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen a few screen captures of a markedly different appearance for Workspace Manager. They have the concave-gradient Dock, and the title bar buttons are all on the right side (and are part of the title bar, rather than appearing to sit upon it). I also noticed this on my ``Developer Introduction to OpenStep'' or whatever the book is. Is this possible with OpenStep/Mach 4.0, or is this a feature of another platform? A pointer to documentation on this would be very much appreciated. Thanks. -a. -- Art Taylor Nobeltec Corporation 1505 NW Gilman Blvd., Suite 5, Issaquah, WA 98027 USA Vox: 206-391-9131 Fax: 206-391-9131 Email: artt@nobeltec.com Web: http://www.nobeltec.com
From: joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu (Joshua Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I modify gatekeeper so that... Date: 30 Oct 1996 16:53:16 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <55815s$o15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> When I launch gatekeeper, it displays a green clock over the icon on the dock. It used to show animated stars and space, but now it shows the clock. The clock is nice and all, but I like the animated stars better. How do I get them back? I am using Gatekeeper 2.somthing beta. Thanks, Josh -- ______________________________________________ Joshua Kerr joshkerr@cs.utexas.edu http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/joshkerr/ "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while, I was the suspect." --Steven Wright
From: rr34938@pinus.cc.etf.hr (Robert Radovic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: EARN $50.000 LEGITIMATELY IN 6 WEEKS Date: 30 Oct 1996 17:39:18 GMT Organization: CARNet, CROATIA Distribution: world Message-ID: <5583s6$qn6@bagan.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PRINT THIS OUT AND SAVE THIS POSTING ON YOUR COMPUTER, READ IT OVER A COUPLE OF TIMES, INVEST, AND WATCH THE MAIL BOX FOR THE MONEY! $5, plus the costs of 5 envelopes, 5 peices of paper, 5 stamps and a couple of hours on a computer and get $50,000 or more back in about six weeks!!!!!!! Invest in this TOTALY LEGITIMATE oppurtunity, Remember that this is legal, so you should report the profit of your investment on your taxes. Hello, I saw this news group posting and decided to invest $5 into it and see what I get in return. Hey, what's $5 ? Keep my address and keep in touch on the amount of money you get. In the posting I saw the person had done this before and made $47,326 in six weeks with his $5 and the cost of the stamps to mail the $5 to the five people on the list. This was his second round. If you do more than the 200 listings you will make more money. In this day what does $5 get you, and with all the people on the internet you are going to get you $5 back in days. Make $50,000 with a small amount of effort and a small cost of only $5 and a few hours of computer work (after you have saved this article on your computer, you can use it to compose your own article, if you want; just make the neccesary changes, like changing the names below; it should save you a couple of hours of computer work). This is a chance for the average person to get ahead in life so please send out $5 and put a little effort into your postings, and then watch the money roll in. This investment will cost you only $5, five stamps, envelopes, paper and a little computer work. If YOU and EVERY OTHER INVESTOR is HONEST and follows through with the plan, you will make $50,000 in about six weeks. Each investor will also make $50,000 in six weeks. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE INVESTMENT OPORTUNITY !!!!!!! When the money comes in, make a list of your investors, and you just started your own ORDER SERVICE COMPANY (don't worry, you don't have to do anything special, just read this article to the end, and you will get all the information you need). Since you are starting a company that provides a service, you make the money LEGITIMATELY (that's the whole idea about this company business). The service you provide is the "list of investors" that you have compiled. You invest $5, and you receive a return on your investment. So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE. There are other plans like this out there that ask you to send out $10 to five pepole, thats a fifty dollar investment and its hard to give $50 out when you are struggeling to pay the bills already. But with this plan you only invest about $5 and others only invest about $5. Hey what's $5 now-a-days? You could probably find that in the cracks of your couch. If you are not interested, than don't participate, but please print this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested, so they can take advantage. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO: The procedure is simple: 1) Write your name and address and an e-mail address, on 5 sheets of paper. Below that, write the words: "Please add me to your list". Then fold a $1 in each piece of paper (make sure the money is inside the paper, so that it can't be easily stolen, send no coins) and send them to the following five addresses: 1. Allen Malkowitch 23 Baker Street #712 Denver CO 80203 USA 2. Wilma Vogel Broettenstr. 19/25 9020 Klagenfurt AUSTRIA 3. Lenny LaForget 364 Delisla Chicoutimi G76 3B4 CANADA 4. Goran Stojsic Ljubljanska Avenija 2 236/B 10000 Zagreb CROATIA 5. Robert Radovic Ljubljanska Avenija 2 224A/A 10000 Zagreb CROATIA 2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four names up. In other words, #5 should become #4, and so on. Put your name as the fifth one on the list. Any simple text editor will do. 3) Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are 17,000 of them these days, so it shouldn't be hard to find many. Spend some time on your investment and post to as many newsgroups as you can, and the bigger the newsgroup is, the more people are to see your message and the more money you make. So post to as many as you can. You are now in an ORDER SERVICES BUSINESS, and should start seeing returns within a week or two. Of course, the more newsgroups you post to, the greater your return is. If you wish to remain anonymous, you may use a psuedonym, call yourself, "The Manager", of "The Boss", whatever, but make sure your address is correct. HERE IS HOW THE SYSTEM MAKES MONEY: -Of every 200 posts I made, I received 5 responses. Yes, only five. You make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5. -Each person who sent you $1 now also makes 200 additional postings with your name at #4. i.e. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at #4. You make $50. -Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return= $500. They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings= 5,000 returns at $1 each= $5,000. -Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES "ONLY" 200 POSTINGS! From time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you can take the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups, and send out another $5, and put your name at #5, and start posting again. Remember, 200 postings in only a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. Let's review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5. Anyone can afford $5 for such an effortless investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS! You may ask, "what happens if the scheme is played out and no one sends me money?" Big deal, you lose $5. But what are the chances of that happening? We are talking about the Internet here. There are millions of Internet users, and thousands more joining everyday! YOU CAN'T LOSE!!! There are too many people out there to not miss this message, and there will be thousands new tomorrow. Remember, read the instructions CARFULLY, and PLAY FAIRLY. That's the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer to this article easily. REMEMBER-HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHEAT THIS IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!! BESIDES, NOT PLAYING THE GAME FAIRLY IS ILLEGAL. SO LET'S BE REASONABLE AND PLAY FAIRLY, SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY THE INTERNET GOLD MINE. GOOD LUCK!!!! :)
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From: "Rob Blessin" <rob@optimal-object.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: IBM 760CD Driver Does Not Work Date: 30 Oct 1996 17:04:56 GMT Organization: Optimal Object, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbc6c0$679a3340$376df326@void.object-tech.com> References: <5559sa$8c5@pravda.aa.msen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Tim Jeltma; You might try Shannon Edwards at Deep Space Technologies, 301-663-3033 http://www.deepspacetech.com/ . He works with a developer Bobby that writes drivers for active Matrix Displays for $300. They have Drivers for Compaq, Toshiba Tecras and Twin Heads! -- Rob Blessin National Sales Account Manager Optimal Object , Inc. 4685 Peoria St., Suite 221 Denver, CO 80239 PH# 800-452-7608 PH# 303-799-6223 FAX 303-799-1435 Email: rob@optimal-object.com http://www.optimal-object.com/ FEIN 84-128-1797 tim@vcl.com wrote in article <5559sa$8c5@pravda.aa.msen.com>... > This is a distress call. Any help that you can give would be greatly > appreciated. > > Earlier this year I wanted to buy a laptop that would be capable of running > NEXTSTEP, Win/95 and Win/NT. > > IBM is of course well known for producing outstanding machines. At the > beginning of this year they came out with the 760 series. As soon as I heard > the word from NeXT that they were indeed going to write a driver for this > machine I placed an order. Four months later I received my machine with > Win/95 preloaded on it. > > I subsequently purchased an additional 1 Gig hard drive upon which I would > load NEXTSTEP 3.3 or OpenStep 4.0. > > I successfully loaded NEXTSTEP with all of the latest drivers obtained from > NeXTanswers with alarming ease. > > Now for the bad news. The system hangs after the boot is complete - right > when it tries to load the 760 video display driver. I tried everything and > then some. The machine works fine in VGA mode with NS loaded but, I do not! > > I then decided to give someone else a try. I sent my laptop to a certified > NEXTSTEP hardware vendor to load NEXTSTEP 3.3 or OpenStep 4.0 and properly > configure the 760 video driver. > > After 2+ weeks of effort they are giving up. I will say that they were > extremely helpful and put a lot of time into this project without charging me > any money. > > I now have $7,300.00 into a laptop that NeXT supposedly supports and I cannot > get NS to run on it. (In case you're wondering we did try to load OS 4.0. > It doesn't work either) > > IBM won't touch it because the machine works fine with Win/95. I can't > return it to the place I bought it (CDW Inc) because I have had it for more > than a month. > > If anyone has any information that might help I would be very grateful. > > > -- > > ____________________ > Tim Jeltema > Valley City Linen Corp. > 10 Diamond Ave. S.E. > Grand Rapids, MI 49506 > > Phone: 616 459-6922 > E-Mail: tim@vcl.com > [NeXT Mail Accepted] > >
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Improv API? Date: 30 Oct 1996 18:24:53 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <5586hl$dqu@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> ... I still have the NEXTWORLD issues where Lotus advertised a free API Toolkit for use with Improv. Would anyone still have that toolkit? If so could you send me a copy by NEXTMail? I know Quantrix is available, but I fell in love with Improv and I'd like to keep using it if I could find some way of extending it a bit ... Most grateful for your help. Yrs. -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
From: rr34938@pinus.cc.etf.hr (Robert Radovic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: EARN $50.000 LEGITIMATELY IN 6 WEEKS Date: 30 Oct 1996 18:55:06 GMT Organization: CARNet, CROATIA Distribution: world Message-ID: <5588aa$2e5@bagan.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PRINT THIS OUT AND SAVE THIS POSTING ON YOUR COMPUTER, READ IT OVER A COUPLE OF TIMES, INVEST, AND WATCH THE MAIL BOX FOR THE MONEY! $5, plus the costs of 5 envelopes, 5 peices of paper, 5 stamps and a couple of hours on a computer and get $50,000 or more back in about six weeks!!!!!!! Invest in this TOTALY LEGITIMATE oppurtunity, Remember that this is legal, so you should report the profit of your investment on your taxes. Hello, I saw this news group posting and decided to invest $5 into it and see what I get in return. Hey, what's $5 ? Keep my address and keep in touch on the amount of money you get. In the posting I saw the person had done this before and made $47,326 in six weeks with his $5 and the cost of the stamps to mail the $5 to the five people on the list. This was his second round. If you do more than the 200 listings you will make more money. In this day what does $5 get you, and with all the people on the internet you are going to get you $5 back in days. Make $50,000 with a small amount of effort and a small cost of only $5 and a few hours of computer work (after you have saved this article on your computer, you can use it to compose your own article, if you want; just make the neccesary changes, like changing the names below; it should save you a couple of hours of computer work). This is a chance for the average person to get ahead in life so please send out $5 and put a little effort into your postings, and then watch the money roll in. This investment will cost you only $5, five stamps, envelopes, paper and a little computer work. If YOU and EVERY OTHER INVESTOR is HONEST and follows through with the plan, you will make $50,000 in about six weeks. Each investor will also make $50,000 in six weeks. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE INVESTMENT OPORTUNITY !!!!!!! When the money comes in, make a list of your investors, and you just started your own ORDER SERVICE COMPANY (don't worry, you don't have to do anything special, just read this article to the end, and you will get all the information you need). Since you are starting a company that provides a service, you make the money LEGITIMATELY (that's the whole idea about this company business). The service you provide is the "list of investors" that you have compiled. You invest $5, and you receive a return on your investment. So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE. There are other plans like this out there that ask you to send out $10 to five pepole, thats a fifty dollar investment and its hard to give $50 out when you are struggeling to pay the bills already. But with this plan you only invest about $5 and others only invest about $5. Hey what's $5 now-a-days? You could probably find that in the cracks of your couch. If you are not interested, than don't participate, but please print this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested, so they can take advantage. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO: The procedure is simple: 1) Write your name and address and an e-mail address, on 5 sheets of paper. Below that, write the words: "Please add me to your list". Then fold a $1 in each piece of paper (make sure the money is inside the paper, so that it can't be easily stolen, send no coins) and send them to the following five addresses: 1. Allen Malkowitch 23 Baker Street #712 Denver CO 80203 USA 2. Wilma Vogel Broettenstr. 19/25 9020 Klagenfurt AUSTRIA 3. Lenny LaForget 364 Delisla Chicoutimi G76 3B4 CANADA 4. Goran Stojsic Ljubljanska Avenija 2 236/B 10000 Zagreb CROATIA 5. Robert Radovic Ljubljanska Avenija 2 224A/A 10000 Zagreb CROATIA 2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four names up. In other words, #5 should become #4, and so on. Put your name as the fifth one on the list. Any simple text editor will do. 3) Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are 17,000 of them these days, so it shouldn't be hard to find many. Spend some time on your investment and post to as many newsgroups as you can, and the bigger the newsgroup is, the more people are to see your message and the more money you make. So post to as many as you can. You are now in an ORDER SERVICES BUSINESS, and should start seeing returns within a week or two. Of course, the more newsgroups you post to, the greater your return is. If you wish to remain anonymous, you may use a psuedonym, call yourself, "The Manager", of "The Boss", whatever, but make sure your address is correct. HERE IS HOW THE SYSTEM MAKES MONEY: -Of every 200 posts I made, I received 5 responses. Yes, only five. You make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5. -Each person who sent you $1 now also makes 200 additional postings with your name at #4. i.e. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at #4. You make $50. -Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return= $500. They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings= 5,000 returns at $1 each= $5,000. -Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES "ONLY" 200 POSTINGS! From time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you can take the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups, and send out another $5, and put your name at #5, and start posting again. Remember, 200 postings in only a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. Let's review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5. Anyone can afford $5 for such an effortless investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS! You may ask, "what happens if the scheme is played out and no one sends me money?" Big deal, you lose $5. But what are the chances of that happening? We are talking about the Internet here. There are millions of Internet users, and thousands more joining everyday! YOU CAN'T LOSE!!! There are too many people out there to not miss this message, and there will be thousands new tomorrow. Remember, read the instructions CARFULLY, and PLAY FAIRLY. That's the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer to this article easily. REMEMBER-HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHEAT THIS IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!! BESIDES, NOT PLAYING THE GAME FAIRLY IS ILLEGAL. SO LET'S BE REASONABLE AND PLAY FAIRLY, SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY THE INTERNET GOLD MINE. GOOD LUCK!!!! :)
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Open Letter to NeXT: Why is NeXT still killing their opportunity in the OS marke Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:26:01 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <3277ABC9.5CADE43@screaming.org> References: <01bbbc9e$250b8ff0$761018ce@barrington> <547n5o$310@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <0 <551v41$hv6@news.asu.edu> <555c19$86r@netty.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger Peppe wrote: > devan2m@imap2.asu.edu <devan2m@imap2.asu.edu> wrote: > > Eric A. Dubiel (eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu) wrote: > > > Roger Peppe wrote: > > > > check out : > > > > http://www.lucent.com/inferno/ > > > > as ground breaking a platform as the first Unix was when > > > > that first appeared, IMO. > > > > > Except that Inferno is *NOT* object-oriented... > > > > Moreover, Inferno is not ground breaking either. > > [Very good argument for Inferno's objectorientedness and groundbreakitude] I agree that Inferno is a tremendous techincal accomplishment. I'd much prefer it to Java if it was available on Linux or Nextstep. I sent a note to Lucent about a port to Linux. They said that one was planned, but not scheduled. (Or was it "intended, but not planned"?) I think there's plenty in Java to sink my teeth into while I'm waiting for them to be more aggressive about its availability. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which, when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it, doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Linux | NeXT | Be | Java| Friends don't let friends use windoze.
Sender: rr34938@pinus.cc.etf.hr (Robert Radovic) From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <5588aa$2e5@bagan.srce.hr> no reply ignore Control: cancel <5588aa$2e5@bagan.srce.hr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <cancel.5588aa$2e5@bagan.srce.hr> Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:39:44 GMT ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
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