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From: root@bytewarecafe.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: 32meg 70ns 72pin EDO simm for $140 Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:41:48 GMT Organization: bytewarecafe.com Message-ID: <5abtqc$82f@newman.pcisys.net> We are a new site on the internet and we can supply your hardware needs. As a promotion to get our name out to you, we are running a special promotion on 32Meg simms. For a very limited time, we are selling 32Meg/70ns EDO simms for just 140+shipping and handling, delivered to your door within 2-3 days. Just go to our site www.bytewarecafe.com and fill out the necessary information about yourself and your credit card information. Goto the products list and choose the memory item. From here, select the memory you want and click on the invoice button to see your total charges. If you wish to browse the other hardware categories, feel free to browse for as long as you wish. If you wish to buy anything else, just select that item from that category. If you are satisfied with your selection(s) and your personal information is correct, click on the submit order button. The bytewarecafe.com server will respond with an order number and a time stamp. You will need these two numbers for any future correspondences with bytewarecafe.com Your order will be prepared and delivered to your door within 2-3 days. Thank you.
From: root@bytewarecafe.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: 32meg 70ns 72pin EDO simm for $140 Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:41:49 GMT Organization: bytewarecafe.com Message-ID: <5abtqd$82f@newman.pcisys.net> We are a new site on the internet and we can supply your hardware needs. As a promotion to get our name out to you, we are running a special promotion on 32Meg simms. For a very limited time, we are selling 32Meg/70ns EDO simms for just 140+shipping and handling, delivered to your door within 2-3 days. Just go to our site www.bytewarecafe.com and fill out the necessary information about yourself and your credit card information. Goto the products list and choose the memory item. From here, select the memory you want and click on the invoice button to see your total charges. If you wish to browse the other hardware categories, feel free to browse for as long as you wish. If you wish to buy anything else, just select that item from that category. If you are satisfied with your selection(s) and your personal information is correct, click on the submit order button. The bytewarecafe.com server will respond with an order number and a time stamp. You will need these two numbers for any future correspondences with bytewarecafe.com Your order will be prepared and delivered to your door within 2-3 days. Thank you.
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5abtqd$82f@newman.pcisys.net> Date: 1 Jan 1997 02:29:27 GMT Control: cancel <5abtqd$82f@newman.pcisys.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5abtqd$82f@newman.pcisys.net> Sender: root@bytewarecafe.com Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970101.11. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970101.11.html for complete report. Original Subject: 32meg 70ns 72pin EDO simm for $140
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5abtqc$82f@newman.pcisys.net> Date: 1 Jan 1997 02:29:27 GMT Control: cancel <5abtqc$82f@newman.pcisys.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5abtqc$82f@newman.pcisys.net> Sender: root@bytewarecafe.com Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970101.11. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970101.11.html for complete report. Original Subject: 32meg 70ns 72pin EDO simm for $140
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From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Date: 1 Jan 1997 05:29:35 GMT Control: cancel <5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Sender: help@spry.com Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970101.35. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970101.35.html for complete report. Original Subject: FREE EDUCATIONAL VIDEO/CDs
From: help@spry.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Control: cancel <5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:41:17 +0100 Organization: Self Help Corp Message-ID: <borra.5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> References: <5ackue$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> EMP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. The Breidbart index was 494. See report "totalmarketing" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: FREE EDUCATIONAL VIDEO/CDs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701021934.OAA13809@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 14:34:47 -0500 Subject: bug in NS vt100? Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary On my NeXT (m68k) I have a folder called ~/Unix/zsh/shell-startup-and-shutdown and one called ~/Unix/zsh/source. if I type: cd ~/Unix/zsh/s and press the TAB key twice I get this: [OLD: /usr/lib/NextStep] [CURRENT: ~]down/ [OLD: /usr/lib/NextStep] [CURRENT: ~]down/ [OLD: /usr/lib/NextStep] [CURRENT: ~]down/ cd ~/Unix/zsh/source/ NOTE: this happens when my TERM=vt100. Here is the vt100 entry I am using d0|vt100|vt100-am|vt100am|dec vt100:\ :do=^J:co#80:li#24:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:sf=2*\ED:\ :le=^H:bs:am:cm=5\E[%i%d;%dH:nd=2\E[C:up=2\E[A:\ :ce=3\E[K:cd=50\E[J:so=2\E[7m:se=2\E[m:us=2\E[4m:ue=2\E[m:\ :md=2\E[1m:mr=2\E[7m:mb=2\E[5m:me=2\E[m:\ :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:\ :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[;r\E[0m\E(B\E)B\E[2J:\ :ks=\E[?1h\E=:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :ku=\EOA:kd=\EOB:kr=\EOC:kl=\EOD:kb=^H:\ :ho=\E[H:k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:pt:sr=2*\EM:vt#3:xn: :sc=\E7:rc=\E8:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr: NOTE: it does _not_ happen if I change TERM=vs100. Here is that one xterm|vs100|xterm terminal emulator (X11R6 Window System):\ :am:km:mi:ms:xn:xo:\ :co#80:it#8:li#65:\ :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:DO=\E[%dB:IC=\E[%d@:\ :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:\ :bl=^G:cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ :cr=^M:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3k:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:do=^J:\ :ei=\E[4l:ho=\E[H:ic=\E[@:im=\E[4h:\ :is=\E[r\E[m\E[2J\E[H\E[?7h\E[?1;3;4;6l\E[4l:\ :k1=\E[11~:k2=\E[12~:k3=\E[13~:k4=\E[14~:k5=\E[15~:\ :k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:kI=\E[2~:\ :kN=\E[6~:kP=\E[5~:kb=^H:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :kh=\E[@:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:le=^H:\ :md=\E[1m:me=\E[m:mr=\E[7m:nd=\E[C:rc=\E8:sc=\E7:\ :se=\E[m:sf=^J:so=\E[7m:sr=\EM:ta=^I:\ :te=\E[2J\E[?47l\E8:ti=\E7\E[?47h:ue=\E[m:up=\E[A:\ :us=\E[4m: Now none of this really matters UNLESS there is some good reason why I should NOT use the 'vs100' Anyone care to shed some light on my marble head? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5ajp87$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Date: 3 Jan 1997 21:14:08 GMT Control: cancel <5ajp87$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5ajp87$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Sender: tccs@sprintmail.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: CDRMEDIA Original Subject: CD-R Media for Sale
From: marcel@spock.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Returning large strings from DPS in 4.0 Date: 4 Jan 1997 10:36:42 GMT Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin Distribution: world Message-ID: <5albrq$2em$1@unlisys.unlisys.net> Keywords: PostScript, client library, wrap, string While porting my distiller to 4.0 I noticed that whenever I return a PostScript string larger than 16K from a wrap to the application, the app crashes and the WindowServer goes off in some sort of loop, eating up all available CPU cycle (and thus forcing an exit from the WindowServer). 3.3 Apps running on 4.0 are fine up to PS limit of 64K, so I assume the problem is with the client libs. Has anybody else seen this behaviour? Marcel
From: Ones-And-Zeros@prodigy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: ! MASS POST Was Here! (olINpV) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 05:40:03 GMT Organization: Mass Post Message-ID: <5aq38l$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> MASS POST--the program by Ones and Zeros--has been used to send this message to thousands of newsgroups. (olINpV)
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From: comm@sci.fi (Juha Tuominen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Sound recording bug in 3.3? Date: 8 Jan 1997 08:23:33 GMT Organization: Scifi Communications International Oy, http://www.sci.fi/, helpdesk@sci.fi, (931)3186277 Message-ID: <5avli5$82t@tron.sci.fi> I have traced a bug which causes sound recording to fail every now and then in NS 3.3 for Intel. The problem occured when I updated our and our customer's PC's from 3.2 to 3.3. First I thought our custom made application causes this (or our custom made sound card driver), but then I tested the system with Sound Blaster compatible card and Next's SB8 driver and I got the same results! I used both our customized application and Next's Sound.app. In the programming level the problem causes didRecord: message not to be sent to Sound object's delegate when stop: message is sent to Sound object. The recorded sound is also lost. The Sound object stops the driver from recording, but didRecord: message is never sent (or at least delegate object never receives it). If user doesn't press stop button (which sends the stop: message), the sound buffer fills up and the recording is stopped at the end of the buffer (2 mins in my case). The didRecord: message is _always_ sent in this case and everything is OK. Weird.. Could someone out there test his/hers NS3.3 for Intel to check out if the recording works. I don't have more sound cards and I haven't got any answer from NeXT for this problem. The recording process fails from every now and then and only when stop button is pressed. I installed the 3.3 Patches, too, but I didn't help my problem either. -Juha -- My wife ran off with my best friend and I still miss him.
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From: thomas@catlan.met.FU-Berlin.DE (Thomas Hensel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NXBitmapImageRep and initData: fromRect: memory ? Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:19:37 GMT Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <5b5q6p$jpn@fu-berlin.de> Hi! I loose memory everytime I invoke: tempRep = [[NXBitmapImageRep alloc] initData:NULL fromRect:&aRect]; [...] [tempRep free]; Documentation says: If data is NULL, the NXBitmapImageRep will allocate enough memory to hold bitmap data for the image. In this case, the buffer will belong to the object and will be freed when the object is freed. This is the most efficient way to allocate memory for the bitmap. But the behavior of my code is different, do I miss something ??? (Is this a known bug ???) Greetings, Thomas -- || Who: Dipl. Phys. Thomas Hensel MIKS - Meteorologische Informations- || EMail: thomas@bibo.met.FU-Berlin.DE und Kommunikations-Systeme || Voice: (+49 30) 838 71 225 an der Freien Universitaet Berlin || FAX: (+49 30) 791 90 02 Schmidt-Ott-Str. 13 - 12165 Berlin
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <587851299369@digifix.com> Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:42:13 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <475852914532@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: mpaque@next.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Dynamic Libraries Date: 14 Jan 1997 20:50:30 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5bgrim$ft1@news.next.com> References: <01bc01ae$2335d8c0$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com> In article <01bc01ae$2335d8c0$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com> "Kenneth R. Fleming" <ken@suite.com> writes: > We are trying to use the -dynamic swithch with libtool. > We are getting the error "common symbols not allowed in dynamic libraries" > OpenStep seems to be the only platform that does not allow some way > of controlling the situation. Other platforms have extensions to C, or > commands to the linker or something that allows you to have globals > within the library. > > Does anyone know a solution? You can have globals in your dynamic libraries/frameworks. The trick is to declare and initialize the storage in one place, and just make 'extern' references to it from other places. The 'common symbols' hack lets one declare storage in multiple places, in the hope that the linker can resolve the proper size and allocate the right amount of space in the program's BSS section. This often occurs accidentally when a header file declares something like 'int GlobalFoo;' instead of 'extern int GlobalFoo;'. The problem arises from the semantics of 'common storage'. It's possible, and perfectly legal K&R C, to declare 'int GlobalFoo;' in one module, and 'double GlobalFoo;' in another module, and then link them together. The linker is expected to resolve this at link time and allocate storage big enough for all types in the BSS section. Ghu only knows what'll happen when you run the code, but the classic linker tries. With dynamic libraries/frameworks, all type sizes must be resolved when the library is built. The common storage hack can't really be supported, as your app may declare a DIFFERENT size for the common storage than is already built in the shared library. Supporting this would require rebuilding the library on the fly in your app's address space to allow for the new size in the BSS space, and the change in position of following symbols. It would be slow. Really slow. The easiest way to clean this up is usually to put the actual declarations and intializations in a .c file, and change declarations in .h files into extern references. -- Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. "May you live in interesting times." - Old Chinese curse
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <475852914532@digifix.com> Date: 19 Jan 1997 04:57:55 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <413853649874@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: my FileMerge does not find any diffs Date: 20 Jan 1997 21:32:26 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5c0o9a$td$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <5bulm9$c4r@sama.isct.kyutech.ac.jp> In comp.sys.next.bugs Hiroshi KIMURA <hkim@dhs.kyutech.ac.jp> wrote: : I'm using NEXTSTEP-intel-3.3J on Digital GL5166. My FileMerge.app does not : find any diffs but reports in console; : Jan 20 11:24:41 rosinante FileMerge[543]: DPS client library error: Error : while writing to connection, DPSContext 2cc68, data -102 : Jan 20 11:24:41 rosinante FileMerge[543]: Exiting due to Window Server death : where rosinante is my machine's hostname. : I confirmed this does not occur on other machines than mine. Is there really : a library error special to my machine? Would someone happen to know this : reason? FileMerge expects diff, diff3 and some other binaries in /usr/gnu/bin -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: bart@BLaCKSMITH.com (Bartley Troyan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: OmniWeb not expiring cookies... Date: 21 Jan 1997 21:31:44 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <5c3ck0$7mv@BLaCKSMITH.com> Hi Folks, We're developing a site that uses cookies and in the process have discovered the following bug in OmniWeb. I'm using version 2.5-beta-2 but I'm pretty sure this bug would apply to all versions of OmniWeb that support cookies. The bug involves the expiration date. We want the browser to deliberately toss its cookies after their purpose has been served. So we send this header as a session begins: Set-Cookie: session-id=853744603; path=/; domain=.blacksmith.com; expires=Monday, 01-Jan-98 12:00:01 GMT which the browser handles just fine. However, when we later want to get rid of that cookie at the end of the session, we send: Set-Cookie: session-id=853744603; path=/; domain=.blacksmith.com; expires=Monday, 01-Jan-96 12:00:01 GMT Only difference is the expires= attribute, which is now a date in the past. Netscape notices and forgets about the cookie immediately, but OmniWeb does not. You get back the expired cookie, and even after quitting and restarting OmniWeb, it doesn't get purged from ~/Library/OmniWeb/Cookies file. Can automatic cookie-expiration be added to the next beta of OmniWeb? Shouldn't be too tricky, and it's important for shopping basket sites and advertising networks, etc. that cookies work properly. (cc: omniweb@lighthouse.com) Bart --- Bartley R. Troyan btroyan@BLaCKSMITH.com (NeXTmail/MIME)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701220804.DAA13833@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 03:04:37 -0500 Subject: Mail.app bug & workaround -re - command+8 or +9 Keywords: mail.app commandkeys inconsistency workaround Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary { reported to bug_next@next.com (ID = 104931) } Verified: NS 3.3 (m68k) Using command + 5, 6, or 7 brings up the "Send Options" panel Starting with Mail.app 3.3, the Preferences panel offers two additional header fields. These are listed "8" and "9" (so if you use "command+8" or "command+9" they should come up). However, if you are in the "Compose" window and do "command+8" or "command+9" nothing happens. Command+5 will get the "Send Options" panel brought up (with the "To" field showing), but neither 8 or 9 do anything. WORKAROUND: Use command+5 to get the "Send Options" panel up and THEN do command+8 or command+9 and you will get those fields. While this is annoying (50% more work than necessary, 100% more if you let go of the "command" key after pressing "5". Summary: - command+5|6|7 will get the "Send Options" panel - command+8|9 does not work the same way - fix is to use command+5+8 (or 6 or 7 instead of 5; or 9 instead of 8) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: RGB:8-mode in openstep 4.1 looks worse than in 3.3 Date: 23 Jan 1997 16:43:00 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <5c84ek$n5v$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> comparing e.g. the color panel on the stated systems, the 3.3 version looks much nicer dithered! any comment on this?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.01bc0a15$45ca2d40$360f4cc3@vicente> Control: cancel <01bc0a15$45ca2d40$360f4cc3@vicente> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bc0a15$45ca2d40$360f4cc3@vicente> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:08:09 GMT Sender: "Vicente Garcia Garcia" <vgarcia@nora.es> ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm J. Porter Clark, d/b/a The Unknown News Administrator
From: "Vicente Garcia Garcia" <vgarcia@nora.es> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: $$$$$$$ DINERO $$$$$$$$$ Date: 24 Jan 1997 16:30:12 GMT Organization: Unisource Espana NEWS SERVER Message-ID: <01bc0a15$382b8b20$360f4cc3@vicente> $$$$$$$$$DINERO RAPIDO$$$$$$$$$ Quieres ganar dinero fácil y rápido?? Si es así por favor sigue leyendo Esto realmente funciona. Es la manera mas justa y honesta de compartir la riqueza en el mundo Invierte 5 minutos de tu tiempo en leer esto y CAMBIARA tu vida. Si quieres saber como ganar miles de dólares rápidamente, legalmente y sin trampas, sigue leyendo. El Internet ha crecido enormemente, Su tamaño se duplica cada 4 meses. Piensa si ves cada vez mas de este tipo de correos es por que funciona y dado que son mas los puntos positivos que los negativos. Pense que puede pasar, quizá funcione además solo son $5.00 dólares. Se gasta uno mas por las mañanas al ir al trabajo en café y gasolina, Así que me decidí a mandar este esos cinco dólares y al escribir esta carta estoy mandando por correo los cinco sobres y poniendo este anuncio en Boletín de Noticias. Muchos escépticos pensaran que es un engaño, PIÉNSALO POR UN MOMENTO!! Hay tantos nuevos suscriptores a Internet de todo el Mundo sin contar a los grandes proveedores en EUA, ellos se interesaran y lo harán funcionar por lo simple del sistema. He aquí unos testimonios de gentes que le funciono: Henry Toy de San Francisco. El escribió que después de 2 semanas de colocar su anuncio en el Internet y enviado sus 5.00 dólares, empezó a recibir dinero por correo, No lo podía creer!!!!, Al principio eran solo unos cientos de dólares, una semana después unos miles de dólares, de repente BOOM!!!!!, A fines de la cuarta semana recibí cerca de $47,000.00 dólares. Vinieron de todos lados del mundo. Cada céntimo es perfectamente legal y lo mejor de todo es que pude pagar todas mis deudas y me quedo suficiente para unas vacaciones con mi familia. No solo funciono para mi, les dio resultados también a otras personas. Markus Valppu dice que el logro juntar $57,883 dólares en cuatro semanas. Dave Manning dice haber juntado $53,664 dólares en el mismo tiempo. Dan Shepstone dice haber juntado $17,000 dólares. Conoce alguno de estos individuos? No, pero cuando leí como lo habían logrado se me hizo lógico. Tanto así que decidí tomar el mismo riesgo e invertir $5.00 dólares. No un gran riesgo lo admito pero con un gran potencial, por que es todo lo que se invierte en este método ni un centavo mas. Eso es todo lo que invirtieron Henry, Markus, Dave o Dan y aun así sus $5.00 dólares les produjeron miles de dólares a cada uno, de una manera segura, sin riesgos y completamente legal. Así es como funciona en 3 sencillos pasos: PASO NUMERO (1): Invierte tus $5 dólares, escribiendo tu nombre y dirección en cinco hojas con la leyenda "Por favor agregeme a su lista de correo", (de esta manera no estas regalando un dólar a alguien estas pagando por un servicio completamente legal). Envuelve cada dólar en cada hoja de papel y envíalas por correo a estas cinco direcciones: 1) H. Toy, 1565 Pacific Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94109 2) S. Ovendale, PO Box 909, Puunene, Hawaii 96784 3)W. Arnett, 363 Brock Ave., Toronto Ontario Canada M6H 3N4 4) JEJ, Rendon y Mina #299 Nte, C.P. 81200, Los Mochis, Sinaloa, México. 5) Vicente García García, Reino de León Nº29 11ºA, C.P. 24006, LEON, ESPAÑA PASO NUMERO (2): Ahora elimina el #1 de la lista y recorre los otros nombre para arriba. De la manera siguiente el #2 es en #1, el #3 es el #2, etc. Y pon tu nombre y dirección en el #5 de la lista. PASO NUMERO (3): Publica este articulo en por lo menos 250 grupos de noticias. Hay por lo menos 20000 grupos de noticias en cualquier hora del día. Mientras en mas grupos te anuncies, mas gente te vera y te mandara dinero. PASO NUMERO (4): Ahora es cuando empieza el negocio para ti, y empezaras a ver resultados entre los próximos 7 a 14 días. Recuerda que el Internet esta en crecimiento constante. No hay manera posible de perder. **************************************************************************** Ahora te diré como y por que el sistema funciona: De cada bloque de 250 publicaciones que hice, recibí 5 respuestas, Si así es solo 5. Con eso te ganas $5.00 dólares en efectivo, no cheques o ordenes de pago, sino dinero constante y sonante con tu nombre y dirección en el #5. Cada persona que te envío $1.00 dólar publica su carta en 250 grupos con tu nombre y dirección en el #4, es decir 1000 anuncios, En promedio 50 personas te enviaran $1.00 dólar lo que te envían $50.00 dólares. Ahora estas 50 personas se anuncian en 250 grupos cada uno con tu nombre y dirección en el #3, es decir 10,000 anuncios, de los cuales en promedio responderán 500 personas es decir $500.00 dólares mas. Esas mismas 500 personas se anuncian en 250 grupos cada uno con tu nombre y dirección en el #2, es decir 100,000 anuncios de los cuales en promedio responderán 5,000 a $1.00 cada uno son $5,000.00 dólares en efectivo. Al final 5,000 gentes se anuncian en 250 lugares cada una con tu nombre y dirección en el #1 y obtendrás $50,000 dólares antes de que salga de la lista, solo a un promedio de 1% de respuesta de tu carta es fabuloso. Solo en un ciclo promediaras $55,000.00 dólares. A un rendimiento del 1% es fabuloso. >Para cuando ya no veas tu nombre en la lista, tomas el ultimo anuncio y empiezas de nuevo. El resultado final depende de TU PERSONA. Debes seguir este articulo y anunciarlo cuantas veces puedas y donde puedas. Mientras mas te anuncies mas dinero te llegara por correo. Es demasiado simple y sencillo como para dejar pasar esta oportunidad!!! Si no estas completamente seguro o piensas que no puede realizarse, no lo hagas. Pero por favor imprime este articulo y pásalo a alguien que realmente necesite el dinero y ve que pasa. PASOS GENERALES PARA AUTOMATIZAR EL PROCESO: Has todos los paso necesarios para cambiar este articulo como se explica en el PASO NUMERO (2) y cuando estés satisfecho grábalo en formato .txt para importarlo en el cuerpo del programa de lector de noticias(ejemplo Internet News), De esta manera solo tendrás que cambiar el nombre del grupo o dirección de correo para distribuirlo. Consejo Importante: Es importante para aquellos no muy familiarizados con el correo electrónico. Por todos los medios utilicen un procesador de textos para asegurarse de que el articulo lo vean clara y correctamente. Reformatear este articulo con un editor simple como "notepad," o "WordPad" si utilizas "Windows 95". Procura que el texto sea claramente visible y no se necesite mover a la derecha para leerlo. Hacerlo de esta forma asegura que el articulo se vera bien en todos los lectores de noticias. Puedes checarlo con tu lector antes de conectarse en línea, leyéndolo en tu propio lector. Enseguida empieza a buscar los grupos de noticias en donde te piensas anunciar, Netscape 3.0 es un lector muy bueno, por que puedes seleccionar varias docenas de grupos a la vez, permitiéndote distribuir tu articulo a miles de lugares en menos de una hora o dos, Selecciona todos los grupos a donde quieras mandar el articulo (como sabes se hace presionando deteniendo CTRL mientras oprimes el botón izquierdo del mouse). De esta manera se pueden seleccionar varios grupos en una pasada, quizá una docena cada vez. Después de eso veras los grupos seleccionados en el campo de grupos. Después selecciona tu grupo de noticias y oprime "a Noticias" procura poner un titulo adecuado en el Tema, luego oprime en agregados donde aparecerá otra ventana. Localiza el archivo que deseas enviar, oprime el archivo y luego ábrelo, después de eso envíalo y ya esta. Repite este proceso una y otra vez seleccionando de 10 en 10 los grupos, selecciona los de mayor afluencia y no anuncies este articulo con títulos muy rimbombantes solo ahuyentara a la gente. Este es una manera honesta y legitima de hacer dinero regularmente. Pero solo será así si el mensaje es sincero y claramente entendido por los demás lograras el éxito deseado. NOTA DE SOLICITUD: El sistema se basa en que todos seamos honestos, pero es demasiado tentador no molestar se en enviar por correo los sobres con los billetes de a dólar adentro. El éxito de este programa depende si se lleva a cabo y distribuido en un 500%. El sistema tampoco funcionara si la gente toma ventaja de ti y no sigue las instrucciones. Puedes sin embargo si deseas permanecer en el anonimato, usar un seudónimo, pero asugurate de que tu dirección sea correcta. NOTA FINAL: Muchas de las ideas para hacer dinero, no importa que tan bien planeadas e implementadas simplemente no se levantan. Y en muchos de los casos debido a los costos de publicidad, pero la publicidad conseguida por medio de Internet es honestamente muy impresionante. Así que por favor estudia este articulo minuciosamente y tomate el tiempo que quieras, ya que cuando te decidas a participar estarás en camino a recibir bastante dinero. Por la misma naturaleza de este sistema no veras los resultados la primera semana. PERO AL COMENZAR LA SEGUNDA SEMANA TUS INGRESOS DEL CORREO PROVENIENTES DE TODO EL MUNDO VERDADERAMENTE TE SORPRENDERA!!!!! Por favor piensa esto seriamente, por que es una de las pocas oportunidades de hacer dinero rápido que realmente funciona. BUENA SUERTE!!!
From: "Craig G. Andersen" <andersen@fastlane.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Nslookup default Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:21:06 -0600 Organization: At Home Message-ID: <32EA32F2.3416FBD5@fastlane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On NS3.3 it appears that the default for nslookup is 'debug' rather than 'nodebug'. I have tried changing my .nslookuprc to no avail. Is there a patch or work around ? -- --------------------------- - Craig Andersen - - andersen@fastlane.net - ---------------------------
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NS3.2's otool disasm broken? Date: 26 Jan 1997 01:58:13 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5cednl$h0c@hpax.cup.hp.com> Does anyone use /bin/otool? I'm using NS3.2's version and it looks like the branch destinations aren't printing properly. For example: _bsd_sprintf: 0502d734 linkw a6,#0xffec 0502d738 movel d2,sp@- 0502d73a movel a6@(0x8:w),d2 0502d73e movel a6@(0xc:w),d0 0502d742 movew #0x42:w,a6@(0xfffc:w) 0502d748 movel d2,a6@(0xfff0:w) 0502d74c movel #0x7fffffff:l,a6@(0xffec:w) 0502d754 pea a6@(0xffec:w) 0502d758 pea a6@(0x10:w) 0502d75c movel d0,sp@- 0502d75e bsr __doprnt:l 0502d764 addqw #0x8,sp 0502d766 addqw #0x4,sp 0502d768 subql #0x1,a6@(0xffec:w) 0502d76c bpl 0x502d77c:b ^^^^^^^ This branch's address is wrong. 0502d76e tstb a6@(0xfffd:w) 0502d772 bge 0x502d788:b ^^^^^^^ 0502d774 movel a6@(0xffec:w),d0 0502d778 negl d0 0502d77a cmpl a6@(0xfff8:w),d0 0502d77e bge 0x502d788:b ^^^^^^^ 0502d780 movel a6@(0xfff0:w),a0 0502d784 clrb a0@ 0502d786 addql #0x1,a6@(0xfff0:w) 0502d78a bra 0x502d794:b 0502d78c pea a6@(0xffec:w) 0502d790 clrl sp@- 0502d792 bsr __flsbuf:l 0502d798 movel d2,d0 0502d79a movel a6@(0xffe8:w),d2 0502d79e unlk a6 0502d7a0 rts 0502d7a2 nop Am I reading this wrong? I'm using the -tvV option. Can someone try otool on 3.3? Just disassemble /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib (I recall this is the right spelling, but am not sure). Some addresses are valid, but I question them because they make no sense whatsoever, like: _svctcp_stat: 0502d708 linkw a6,#0x0 0502d70c movel a6@(0x8:w),a0 0502d710 movel a0@(0x2a:w),a0 0502d714 tstl a0@ 0502d716 bne 0x502d718:b ^^^^^^^ 0502d718 clrl d0 0502d71a bra 0x502d72c:b 0502d71c pea a0@(0x8:w) 0502d720 bsr _xdrrec_eof:l 0502d726 movel d0,d1 0502d728 moveq #1,d0 0502d72a tstl d1 0502d72c beq 0x502d72c:b ^^^^^^^ 0502d72e moveq #2,d0 0502d730 unlk a6 0502d732 rts Ken p.s. just for the heck of it, I also cc'ed bug_next, but it may be a futile attempt. -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <01bc0a15$382b8b20$360f4cc3@vicente> Date: 26 Jan 1997 03:53:58 GMT Control: cancel <01bc0a15$382b8b20$360f4cc3@vicente> Message-ID: <cancel.01bc0a15$382b8b20$360f4cc3@vicente> Sender: "Vicente Garcia Garcia" <vgarcia@nora.es> Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970126.28. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970126.28.html for complete report. Original Subject: $$$$$$$ DINERO $$$$$$$$$
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org Subject: Re: NS3.2's otool disasm broken? Message-ID: <E4M457.63w@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <5cednl$h0c@hpax.cup.hp.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:05:31 GMT Seems OK for 3.3 patched _bsd_sprintf: 0502f9ac linkw a6,#0xffec 0502f9b0 movel d2,sp@- 0502f9b2 movel a6@(0x8:w),d2 0502f9b6 movew #0x42:w,a6@(0xfffc:w) 0502f9bc movel d2,a6@(0xfff0:w) 0502f9c0 movel #0x7fffffff:l,a6@(0xffec:w) 0502f9c8 pea a6@(0xffec:w) 0502f9cc pea a6@(0x10:w) 0502f9d0 movel a6@(0xc:w),sp@- 0502f9d4 bsr __doprnt:l 0502f9da subql #0x1,a6@(0xffec:w) 0502f9de bpl 0x502f9f2:b 0502f9e0 tstb a6@(0xfffd:w) 0502f9e4 bge 0x502f9fe:b ^^^^^^^^^ 0502f9e6 movel a6@(0xffec:w),d0 0502f9ea negl d0 0502f9ec cmpl a6@(0xfff8:w),d0 0502f9f0 bge 0x502f9fe:b 0502f9f2 movel a6@(0xfff0:w),a0 0502f9f6 clrb a0@ 0502f9f8 addql #0x1,a6@(0xfff0:w) 0502f9fc bra 0x502fa0a:b 0502f9fe pea a6@(0xffec:w) ^^^^^^^^ 0502fa02 clrl sp@- 0502fa04 bsr __flsbuf:l 0502fa0a movel d2,d0 0502fa0c movel a6@(0xffe8:w),d2 -- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
From: scholz@leo.org (Bernhard Scholz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NSAutoreleasePool/NSData and Threads Date: 28 Jan 1997 17:14:34 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Message-ID: <5clc5q$7s1@xenia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Hello I run over very obscure problems during my upgrade of a heavily thread based application from NS3.3 to OS4.0 Under NS3.3, I was using differents threads for a producer/consumer problem and NSData to cover custom data and enque the NSData objects themselves in NSArrays. This worked perfectly. Because I used almost the NS3.3 foundation objects, the conversion worked flawlessly with _no_ major changes. Under OS4.0 the following problems arised: The NSData objects were freed differently than in NS3.3. Now the system collapses irregularly. E.g. I do the following: #ifdef TEST_VMCOPY vm_address_t space; kern_return_t ret; if ((ret = vm_allocate(task_self(), &space, bufferSize, TRUE)) != KERN_SUCCESS) { NSLog(@"vm_allocate returned value of %d \n", ret); NSLog(@"Exiting with error.\n"); exit(-1); } // filling the space with data ... ... myData=[NSData dataWithBytes:space length:numBytes]; [self addData:myData]; usleep(100); vm_deallocate(task_self(), (vm_address_t) data, numBytes); usleep(200); Crazy you might think. But this code is running in the systems main task and is causing no trouble. However if I'd remove the usleep() functions the code runs but suddenly fails due to freeing of already freed objects! It seems as if the autorelease mechanism is breaking the custom vm_deallocate() method. (The usleep() is a thread safe sleep() implementation as described by NeXT in some programming example) Running _the_same_ code in a different thread causes the following errors: Jan 28 17:57:31 MyObj[8061] *** _NSAutoreleaseNoPool(): Object 0xb81d0 of class NSConcreteData autoreleased with no pool in place - just leaking . and other autoreleased objects (like NSCStringWithGap). However the thread does have an autorelease pool, because I can send it [NSAutoreleasePool enableDoubleReleaseCheck:YES] (which outputs the different thread numbers on stderr) An ideas what I'm doing wrong here, or how I can figure out how to do further debugging? Is this a known bug and do I have to 'upgrade' to OS4.1 to get rid of it? I'm curious about this, because it worked flawlessly under 3.3 .... Just wondering, Bernhard. -- Bernhard Scholz http://www.leo.org/~scholz/ Peanuts FTP Admin http://peanuts.leo.org/ scholz@leo.org, (StuSta ONLY: boerny@xenia.stusta.mhn.de)
From: hkim@dhs.kyutech.ac.jp (Hiroshi KIMURA) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: my FileMerge does not find any diffs Date: 28 Jan 1997 09:17:40 GMT Organization: Information Science Center of Kyushu Inst. of Tech. Message-ID: <5ckg7k$hns@sama.isct.kyutech.ac.jp> References: <5bulm9$c4r@sama.isct.kyutech.ac.jp> <5c0o9a$td$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Cc: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de In <5c0o9a$td$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Axel Habermann wrote: > In comp.sys.next.bugs Hiroshi KIMURA <hkim@dhs.kyutech.ac.jp> wrote: > : I'm using NEXTSTEP-intel-3.3J on Digital GL5166. My FileMerge.app does not > : find any diffs but reports in console; > > : Jan 20 11:24:41 rosinante FileMerge[543]: DPS client library error: Error > : while writing to connection, DPSContext 2cc68, data -102 > : Jan 20 11:24:41 rosinante FileMerge[543]: Exiting due to Window Server death > > : where rosinante is my machine's hostname. > > : I confirmed this does not occur on other machines than mine. Is there really > : a library error special to my machine? Would someone happen to know this > : reason? > > FileMerge expects diff, diff3 and some other binaries in /usr/gnu/bin I've installed comp, diff3, diff and sdiff from diffutils-2.7 into my /usr/local/bin, however the situation does not change. Please teach me additional binaries that FileMerge expects. Thanks in advance. -- KIMURA Hiroshi mailto:hkim@dhs.kyutech.ac.jp (NeXTmail, MIME) http://www.dhs.kyutech.ac.jp/~hkim/ PGP: http://www.dhs.kyutech.ac.jp/~hkim/hkim.pubkey
From: doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: biff and 10BaseT vs. thin net on black hardware Date: 27 Jan 1997 22:55:10 GMT Organization: American Physical Society Message-ID: <5cjboe$m40@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> Hi, A friend of mine encountered the following peculiar problem: After a network upgrade from a thin net (coax) to 10BaseT network, doing 'biff y' in a Terminal.app window causes two sets of alerts to appear each time mail is received. This seems only to be related to which network connector the machine is using. Here is an excerpt from his description of the problem: >sure enough, i pulled the 10baseT out and fed through a 10baseT to >thinwire adapter plugged into usual thinwire port, and a single biff >alert. network is the same, only difference is which network port it >thinks it's using (and if i pull network connection entirely then last >used remains default, hence double biff even after unplugging 10baseT). > >can cycle back and forth (without rebooting, or with rebooting, doesn't >matter), totally reproducible (presumably on all the black slabs): double >biff alert with 10baseT, single with thinwire... He is running NeXTSTEP 3.3 (unpatched I believe) on a 25 MHz mono NeXTstation. netstat and ifconfig show no difference when switching between behaviors. So, has anyone seen anything like this before, or know what may be causing the problem? Cheers, Mark doyle@aps.org
From: katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thomas Katzlberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Spellchecker ... Date: 29 Jan 1997 17:17:58 GMT Organization: a white NeXT Message-ID: <5co0o6$3ag@news.vanderbilt.edu> I was using the builtin spellchecker and it 'corrected' parameterized to parametzrieed I tried it on this paragraph: spellchecker ... Guess: spellchecnker Hrmmm??!?! This was especially nasty as it was on a Presentation. Is there a spellchecked version of the english spellchecker?? Or can I remove misspelled words from the checker somehow?? Where is the dictionary file for it? It is definitely not webster in /usr/dict Thanks, Cat. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ Thomas Katzlberger _/_/ _/_/ katzlbt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu _/_/ _/_/ @aWhiteNeXT.called.garfield _/_/ _/_/ http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~katzlbt/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." _/_/ _/_/ UNIX man page for tunefs. _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
From: na@ok.com Organization: The.Copy.Cat. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5cr4l9$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5cr4l9$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <5cr4l9$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> References: <5cr4l9$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:44:36 +1 EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "TheCopyCatShop" or "summary of auto-cancels" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: Complete Canon Computer System at Closout Price.
From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OmniWeb not expiring cookies... Date: 31 Jan 1997 14:37:08 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <5ct02k$ddr@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <5c3ck0$7mv@BLaCKSMITH.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bart@BLaCKSMITH.com (Bartley Troyan) wrote: > We're developing a site that uses cookies and in the process have > discovered the following bug in OmniWeb. I'm using version 2.5-beta-2 but > I'm pretty sure this bug would apply to all versions of OmniWeb that > support cookies. Hm, my OmniWeb 2.5-beta-2 expires cookies. But maybe that's because I've made a softlink from ~/Libraries/OmniWeb/Cookies to /dev/null :-) Seriously, what I want to say is that a lot of people have a problem with cookies because of what *can* be done with them. I'm not saying that every site that uses cookies misuses them but as a user I find it too bothersome to decide whether or not to accept a cookie and therefore I never do. If I were you I would try to find a different solution for your application. regards, erik -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Dörnenburg OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft für Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH http://www.object-factory.com
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: biff and 10BaseT vs. thin net on black hardware Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 29 Jan 97 08:54:26 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32ef1042.0@192.33.12.30> References: <5cjboe$m40@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> Mark Doyle (doyle@aps.org) wrote: : A friend of mine encountered the following peculiar problem: : After a network upgrade from a thin net (coax) to 10BaseT network, doing : 'biff y' in a Terminal.app window causes two sets of alerts to appear each : time mail is received. This seems only to be related to which network : connector the machine is using. Here is an excerpt from his description of : the problem: : He is running NeXTSTEP 3.3 (unpatched I believe) on a 25 MHz mono : NeXTstation. netstat and ifconfig show no difference when switching : between behaviors. : So, has anyone seen anything like this before, or know what may be causing : the problem? Ooh ooh me! I've got the same problem on my color turbo running 3.3. I'm also on a 10bt network, and I've never tried thin at all. I've come to accept this as part of every day life. But get this: I've got a sparc running SunOS sitting right next to me on the network. When I get mail on the NeXT, I get a message on the sparc. At first I assumed this was because they were sharing filesystems and mail spools and something weird was happening. However, a friend is running Linux, and our machines are not related in anyway whatsoever (aside from being on the same network :) no shared filesystems, etc). I do have an account there, and guess what happens when I get new mail for jklein@freon? Anywhere on my subnet, if I get mail here, and there is a jklein on the machine, I get biff'd, but only once. I'm a little confused as to how biff works, then... since if I ifconfig en0 broadcast 0 then I get no biffs. I would expect that I would get 1, and zero on the other machines with this. I'm confused :) anyone? -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: IB wierdness: saving .nib file changes it=>DPS errors Date: 1 Feb 1997 03:32:29 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5cudgd$1cn@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> I've been having problems with Interface Builder in NEXTSTEP 3.3/Intel. The symptom is that when I launch my application, the app icon at the bottom of the screen stays whited out, and I get these console errors: Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: DPS client library error: PostScript program error, DPSContext f47a0 Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: ustroke ]%% Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: DPS client library error: Invalid tag in returned object, DPSContext f47a0, data 1009636 Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: DPS client library error: Invalid tag in returned object, DPSContext f47a0, data 1009652 Now, the strange thing is, all I have to do to get these errors is to open the nib file, save it without any changes, and recompile the program. I discovered that opening and saving the .nib file DOES change it! I get this diff in the data.classes file: 1c1 < BarView = {SUPERCLASS = View; }; --- > SortView = {ACTIONS = {"sortPlot:" = "sortPlot:"; }; OUTLETS = {}; SUPERCLASS = View; }; 4c4 < SortView = {ACTIONS = {"sortPlot:" = "sortPlot:"; }; OUTLETS = {}; SUPERCLASS = View; }; --- > BarView = {SUPERCLASS = View; }; For some reason, saving reverses the order of these lines. There are also large differences in the data.nib files. And these differences cause the white icon and console errors. So what on earth is going on? Why should openning and saving a .nib file alter it, and cause DPS errors upon recompilation? Any tips greatly appreciated. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: IB wierdness: saving .nib file changes it=>DPS errors Date: 1 Feb 1997 04:01:23 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5cuf6j$1kh@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <5cudgd$1cn@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Cc: altenber@acpub.duke.edu In <5cudgd$1cn@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Lee Altenberg wrote: > > I've been having problems with Interface Builder in NEXTSTEP 3.3/Intel. The > symptom is that when I launch my application, the app icon at the bottom of the > screen stays whited out, and I get these console errors: > > Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: DPS client library error: PostScript program > error, DPSContext f47a0 > Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: > ustroke ]%% > Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: DPS client library error: Invalid tag in > returned object, DPSContext f47a0, data 1009636 > Jan 31 17:17:58 pueo GA_VIEW[7381]: DPS client library error: Invalid tag in > returned object, DPSContext f47a0, data 1009652 > > Now, the strange thing is, all I have to do to get these errors is to open the > nib file, save it without any changes, and recompile the program. I discovered > that opening and saving the .nib file DOES change it! I get this diff in the > data.classes file: > > 1c1 > < BarView = {SUPERCLASS = View; }; > > SortView = {ACTIONS = {"sortPlot:" = "sortPlot:"; }; OUTLETS = {}; SUPERCLASS = View; }; 4c4 < SortView = {ACTIONS = {"sortPlot:" = "sortPlot:"; }; OUTLETS = {}; SUPERCLASS = View; }; --- > BarView = {SUPERCLASS = View; }; > > For some reason, saving reverses the order of these lines. There are also large > differences in the data.nib files. And these differences cause the white icon > and console errors. > I tried logging out and rebooting the system, and guess what? Things get even stranger. When I do as before---open and save a file---the changes are the same. Only this time, I don't get the DPS errors upon launch. Moreover, when I do the IB open and save on a .nib file that had produced the DPS errors, it changes them and I get no more errors. This is not documented behavior! -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: ¬http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ ======================================================================= -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
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From: rafi@cyf-kr.edu.pl (Rafal Polonski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: refreshing in terminal Date: 2 Feb 1997 14:24:03 GMT Organization: Politechnika Gdanska Message-ID: <5d2823$g8d@sunrise.pg.gda.pl> Hello I would be very gratefull if someone could answer me how can I make TERMINAL (vt100 emulator) refresh automatically? When I am using vi on local machine everything works perfectly, but when I work on remote machine using vi screen doesn't refresh - it is really annoying Thank You rafi@panda.bg.univ.gda.pl --
From: Eric Levenez <levenez@club-internet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: refreshing in terminal Date: 2 Feb 1997 17:17:48 GMT Organization: Grolier Interactive Europe Message-ID: <5d2i7s$en2@news.grolier.fr> References: <5d2823$g8d@sunrise.pg.gda.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rafi@cyf-kr.edu.pl (Rafal Polonski) wrote: >I would be very gratefull if someone could answer me how can I make >TERMINAL (vt100 emulator) refresh automatically? > >When I am using vi on local machine everything works perfectly, but >when I work on remote machine using vi screen doesn't refresh - it is really annoying Look at termcap/terminfo definition of remote machine. It is with curses that vi knows how your terminal is intelligent and if the link is quick or not. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Éric Lévénez "Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas" mailto:levenez@club-internet.fr Publius Vergilius Maro, (NeXTMail, MIME) Georgica, II-489 --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ams94@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Adrian Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Intel NS 4.1 crashes predictably Date: 3 Feb 1997 12:43:49 GMT Organization: Electronics and Computer Science, University of Southampton Message-ID: <5d4mi5$gmp@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <srvafq4adbg.fsf@tik51.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Daniel Gerald Kluge <dkluge@tik.ee.ethz.ch> writes: >I toyed around on an Intel NeXT BOX, running NS 4.1, and by chance >found a way to crash the Machine for sure. > >The steps are very easy: > >%su >Pasword: ># shutdown now >(exiting to console) > ># ps -xu >Illegal Frame bla bla *crash* > >Can somebody verify this please ? > >I'd like to know if this is just our installation here, or if this is >a general Problem. I have an Intel based PC running NEXTSTEP 3.3. From a dumb terminal connected to a serial port on the PC, I typed (I don't know why!!) % shutdown & ...... [exited to console on the monitor) % ps aux And the computer went down as described on the main console. Although this is a rather odd quirk, I guess it doesn't cause too many problems in day-to- day use. Adrian Smith Undergraduate, Southampton University, United Kingdom ams94@ecs.soton.ac.uk
From: bart@BLaCKSMITH.com (Bartley Troyan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OmniWeb not expiring cookies... Date: 4 Feb 1997 00:02:30 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <5d5uam$ea3@BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <5ct02k$ddr@leonie.object-factory.com> In article <5ct02k$ddr@leonie.object-factory.com> Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> writes: > > bart@BLaCKSMITH.com (Bartley Troyan) wrote: > > We're developing a site that uses cookies and in the process have > > discovered the following bug in OmniWeb. I'm using version 2.5-beta-2 but > > I'm pretty sure this bug would apply to all versions of OmniWeb that > > support cookies. > > Hm, my OmniWeb 2.5-beta-2 expires cookies. But maybe that's because I've made > a softlink from ~/Libraries/OmniWeb/Cookies to /dev/null :-) > > Seriously, what I want to say is that a lot of people have a problem with > cookies because of what *can* be done with them. I'm not saying that every > site that uses cookies misuses them but as a user I find it too bothersome to > decide whether or not to accept a cookie and therefore I never do. > > If I were you I would try to find a different solution for your application. > > regards, > erik > I guess the /dev/null trick works well to prevent accepting cookies, period. But I do find cookies useful for sites that maintain 'shopping basket' interfaces and of course the Link Exchange network (a free banner-ad network) uses them extensively. Web applications such as these function poorly (if at all) when cookies are completely disabled. It's a shame Netscape and M$IE don't give people a better built-in interface for viewing/keeping/tossing cookies; perhaps if they did, OmniWeb's developers would have done something similar with OmniWeb. Anyway, I got a message back from the OmniWeb fellow saying that they would look into providing cookie expiration in a future release. Until then, I suppose I could hack a quick perl script to parse the Cookies file at regular intervals, removing expired cookies and annoying cookies I never want, like those from ad.doubleclick.net and micro$oft's sites). I'll post the script if/when I get around to writing it :-) Can someone from OmniWeb post details on how the browser interacts with the ~/Library/OmniWeb/Cookies file? How often is the file rewritten to disk? How often is it read from disk? Suggestions for improving OmniWeb: Could a cookie preferences option be added to delete expired cookies when clicked? How about "always refuse cookie", "always accept cookie" or "always ask user" configurability? (well, maybe that's asking a little too much)... Bart > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Erik D rnenburg OBJECT FACTORY > Gesellschaft f r Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH > http://www.object-factory.com > > -- Bartley R. Troyan btroyan@BLaCKSMITH.com (NeXTmail/MIME) My opinions are not necessarily those of BlackSMITH, Inc.
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <408e551b.17027523@news.zippo.com> Date: 6 Feb 1997 09:31:19 GMT Control: cancel <408e551b.17027523@news.zippo.com> Message-ID: <cancel.408e551b.17027523@news.zippo.com> Sender: cjtech@inreach.com Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: /usr/ucb/which and ~/.cshrc prompt. Date: 6 Feb 97 10:39:45 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: comp Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb6103945@howard.one.net> Here's an interesting bug ... Often people will use the phrase: if( ${?prompt} ) then ... endif in their ~/.cshrc file to determine if they are running an interactive shell or a script. Useful for setting up aliases and the like. Just now, I noticed that /usr/ucb/which is actually a csh script. The first thing the script does is give a value to the prompt. Then is source's ~/.cshrc. On the _surface_, this seems fine. It needs to get that info, right? Unfortunately, /usr/ucb/which can be used by sh scripts (psroff, for instance) like: if test x`which ditroff | sed -e "s%^no .*%%"` = x; then ... The problem here, is that if any of the commands in your ~/.cshrc prompt-setting section cause an output of any sort, the above test will not work correctly. Not certain what a good fix would be. You could move stuff over to your .login, but then that stuff won't be present if you do an interactive csh that's not a login shell. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: OmniWeb not expiring cookies... Message-ID: <E54MDv.2s2@euler.han.de> Sender: news@euler.han.de Organization: Ink Unknown References: <5d5uam$ea3@BLaCKSMITH.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:56:19 GMT Bartley Troyan writes .. > Suggestions for improving OmniWeb: Could a cookie preferences option be > added to delete expired cookies when clicked? How about "always refuse > cookie", "always accept cookie" or "always ask user" configurability? > (well, maybe that's asking a little too much)... That's about what Netscape does. And yes, cookies are useful sometimes. Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: amando@gcomm.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Kernel Trap with PRO200 under 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 10:43:29 +0200 Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Message-ID: <32FAEB31.D25@gcomm.com> References: <589bn0$9kp@malibu.unice.fr> <58bu59$rt0@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a similar problem and the cause was the Advance Power Management that is not compatible with NS3.3. I suggest to disable the APM on openstep. I think this can be one of the reason of your problems. Amando Blasco
From: robert@visgen.com (Robert Osborne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: /usr/ucb/which and ~/.cshrc prompt. Date: 7 Feb 1997 09:56:11 -0500 Organization: Visible Genetics Inc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5dffqb$gim@knuth.visgen.com> References: <SHESS.97Feb6103945@howard.one.net> Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: >Not certain what a good fix would be. You could move stuff over to >your .login, but then that stuff won't be present if you do an >interactive csh that's not a login shell. One solution is the get source for a proper which, one that searchs $PATH itself instead of spawning a shell. There are several public domain versions around. Rob. -- Robert A. Osborne, robert@visgen.com "It's now safe to turn off your computer."
From: no.spam.pjb@imaginet.fr (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: /usr/ucb/which and ~/.cshrc prompt. Date: 7 Feb 1997 18:26:56 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5dfs5g$pte@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <SHESS.97Feb6103945@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb6103945@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > Here's an interesting bug ... > > Often people will use the phrase: > > if( ${?prompt} ) then > ... > endif > > in their ~/.cshrc file to determine if they are running an interactive > shell or a script. Useful for setting up aliases and the like. > > Just now, I noticed that /usr/ucb/which is actually a csh script. The > first thing the script does is give a value to the prompt. Then is > source's ~/.cshrc. > > On the _surface_, this seems fine. It needs to get that info, right? > Unfortunately, /usr/ucb/which can be used by sh scripts (psroff, for > instance) like: > > if test x`which ditroff | sed -e "s%^no .*%%"` = x; then > ... > > The problem here, is that if any of the commands in your ~/.cshrc > prompt-setting section cause an output of any sort, the above test > will not work correctly. > > Not certain what a good fix would be. You could move stuff over to > your .login, but then that stuff won't be present if you do an > interactive csh that's not a login shell. I added a -f option in /usr/ucb/which, and I set the 'Read Login Script' in Shell's preferences of Terminal. But Robert is right, we should have a better 'which'. __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: "Michael Jordan" <support@jordan.eu> Newsgroups: comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.games.bugs,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Kais Online. - The WebSupport Date: 8 Feb 1997 11:40:03 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.net-link.com Message-ID: <01bc15b5$1621a9a0$eb08bac3@default> BUGFIXES/UPDATES The newest and most actual for the operating systems of IBM and Microsoft. BIOS/FIRMWARE Internet's biggest and most actual BIOS list! ONLINE SUPPORT Here you can ask or answer questions related to personal computing, either on the message board or in chat mode. USEFUL FILES Really useful software which every PC owner with at least modest computer kills needs. GOOD LINKS A short list of other homepages worth a visit. UNKNOWN POEMS A page made for the poets among us, which never had the chance to publish their poems. All this you will find here: http://www.kais.com/ ################################################# Note: This is NOT a profit organization.
From: "Michael Jordan" <support@jordan.eu> Newsgroups: comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.games.bugs,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Kais Online. - The WebSupport Date: 8 Feb 1997 11:41:15 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.net-link.com Message-ID: <01bc15b5$411cc680$eb08bac3@default> BUGFIXES/UPDATES The newest and most actual for the operating systems of IBM and Microsoft. BIOS/FIRMWARE Internet's biggest and most actual BIOS list! ONLINE SUPPORT Here you can ask or answer questions related to personal computing, either on the message board or in chat mode. USEFUL FILES Really useful software which every PC owner with at least modest computer kills needs. GOOD LINKS A short list of other homepages worth a visit. UNKNOWN POEMS A page made for the poets among us, which never had the chance to publish their poems. All this you will find here: http://www.kais.com/ ################################################# Note: This is NOT a profit organization.
From: chsu@from.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Send 20 FREE Pages of Fax to any Fax machines in the World! Date: 8 Feb 1997 19:22:00 GMT Organization: Fax24 International, Inc. Message-ID: <5dijoo$nhu@netnews.hinet.net> Send Fax through the Internet. Low domestic and international rates. 20 FREE pages of Fax! Send to any Fax machines in the world! No obligation. Visit the site at: http://www.edfax.com/faxsav.htm Chris Sundres chsu@from.net
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From: shihong@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (LAO Shihong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: intel machine clock shift unexpected Date: 10 Feb 1997 01:51:25 GMT Organization: OMRON Corporation, Kyoto, JAPAN Message-ID: <5dluut$4bm@omrongw2.wg.omron.co.jp> My intel machine's clock changes worked fine until last Autumn. It's clock changes very often now. Sometimes it suddenly add about 20 minutes, sometimes it jumps to year 2001. I made a complate reinstall, but it still have this problem. Today it jumped to year 2003, the only app I was using was OmniWeb, but I don't this it can cause this problem. Anybody have any idea? My machine is pentium 166, 48mb, 2.0gb, award BIOS, 2940SCSI, #9 GXE pro 4mb. 3.3J NEXTSTEP ---- LAO Shihong (Firstname is surname) $(0@9'a$(1,c(B(use mule to show Chinese)
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Mail startup, 4.1, bundles Date: 10 Feb 1997 11:15:26 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5dn00e$mfe@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Folks, here's just a warning regarding Mail.app under 4.1 in combination with SunMessage.bundle and Urlifier.bundle. I have the above configuration running, with preferences set to auto-startup on login and automatic mail retrieval. Since upgrading the operating system, I have experienced several mail crashes during MIME and NeXTmail decodes upon login. At least once, the crash resulted in loss of my incoming mail. There were no messages on the console other then the bundle startup messages. Unfortunately, there also isn't any core file. Starting mail manually (after the login is complete) does not seem to cause problems. I am not running any Dock Extenders (thanks to to the LaunchBar authors - great app!). *Workaround*: If you want to stay on the safe side, I suggest that you either set your mail retrieval to manual (inside Mail Preferences), or do not auto start Mail.app if running 4.x. If anybody has similar experiences, or knows how I could run gdb on an app that's started automatically, please let me know. Hope this helps, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
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From: Eric Bloom Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: OPENSTEP 4.1, kernel panic, Project Builder Date: 12 Feb 1997 22:58:19 GMT Organization: Bacchus, Inc. Message-ID: <5dthub$m5r@camel0.mindspring.com> We have been experiencing consistent kernel panics when running GDB (GUI based) in Project Builder. After much testing and experimentation (complete system rebuild, checking hardware conflicts, removing cards etc etc), we found that removing the network card (Intel Ether Express Pro10+ (using driver v4.04), that the panics no longer occurred. GDB works fine from a shell. System Configuration: Dell Dimension XPS 133 S3 Generic PCI Sound Blaster 16 PnP Intel EtherExpress PRO/10+ PnP 32 MB memory EIDE Hard Disk and CD-ROM Has anyone else experienced kernel panics when running Project Builder under OpenStep 4.1 ? Eric Bloom Bacchus, Inc. eric@bacchus.com
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <413853649874@digifix.com> Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:23:10 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <22496856059808@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: MULTICAST PROBLEM- AMD PCNet32 Driver 3.0-3.3 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 18:54:12 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services & Smith NET-Illinois State University Message-ID: <3307ABC2.7490@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The AMD PCNet32 Drivers 3.0, 3.2, and 3.3 do not support multicast on NEXTSTEP 3.3 Intel. This particularly affects CAP (Columbia AppleTalk Protocol), and other applications, which makes apps needing this functionality UNUSABLE. Hopefully NeXT can fix this driver problem. Thanks. -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:37:52 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5ec7r0$1va@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Cc: vbragin@ix.netcom.com In <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Vicki Bragin wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two > applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are > nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by > using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke > that I perchance might have used that caused the main > menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I > get back these menus? There should be at least one row of pixels of the main menu visible on-screen. Try to look in the corners of your screen for a small black stripe. Or just drag out of the corners blindly. You might also try to readjust your monitor before that to make sure the edges of the screen image are not cut off. Volker
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 10:34:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> For the last several weeks, the main menus of two applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke that I perchance might have used that caused the main menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I get back these menus? Thanks for any help. Vicki Bragin -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin Physical Sciences Division, Pasadena City College 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106-2003 Phone: (818) 585-7147 Fax: (818) 585-7919 E-mail: (NeXTmail and MIME mail welcome) vbragin@nextlab.calstatela.edu vbragin@ix.netcom.com vbragin@paccd.cc.ca.us vbragin@pslc.ucla.edu **********************************************************
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:58:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ecn2o$kh2@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two > applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are > nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by > using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke > that I perchance might have used that caused the main > menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I > get back these menus? When a main menu is relocated from its default position, either purposely or through some sort of anomoly, a defaults database entry for the menu position should exist which will be used to place the menu in the same location on subsequent app invocations. Enter "dread -o TheAppName" to view the various defaults database variables. Then remove the variable that specifies the main menu location and restart the app. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: eric@skatter.USask.Ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Date: 18 Feb 1997 17:27:13 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> I just finished installing OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 (Intel). I then checked to see if my favorite bug had survived yet another version: eric@pisces 224> cat printfcheck.c #include <stdio.h> int main (int argc, char **argv) { printf ("Expect 0.00123: %.3g\n", 0.001234567); printf ("Expect 123: %.3g\n", 123.4567); printf ("Expect 123.5: %.4g\n", 123.4567); printf ("Expect 1e+03: %.3g\n", 999.6); return 0; } eric@pisces 225> cc -o printfcheck printfcheck.c eric@pisces 226> ./printfcheck Expect 0.00123: 0.001 Expect 123: 123.457 Expect 123.5: 123.4567 Expect 1e+03: 999.6 eric@pisces 227> ================================================================== Yes! It's still not fixed! Seven years and three months since I first reported it (way back in the NextStep 1.0 days). I even have the NeXT bug tracking reference numbers [60697, 98369] and an e-mail message from NeXT (September 1994) indicating that, ``it looks like it will finally be fixed in NEXTSTEP release 4.0.'' I wonder if this has any chance of being fixed before OpenStep mutates into Rhapsody? Every other time I have posted an article about this bug I have received mail saying that the behaviour of the NeXT printf is correct. To try and forestall these replies I include the following: The ANSI standard (X3.159-1989) says (Section 4.9.6.1, page 134, line 33): g,G The double argument is converted in style f or e (or in style E in the case of a G conversion specifier), with the precision specifying the number of significant digits. If the precision is zero, it is taken as 1. The style used depends on the value converted; style e (or E) will be use only if the exponent resulting from the conversion is less than -4 or greater than or equal to the precision. Trailing zeros are removed from the fractional portion of the result; a decimal-point character appears only if it is followed by a digit. *** NOTE THE WORDS `precision specifying the number of significant digits'. *** Let's have a look at some examples from the test program: format "%.3g" .001234567 ==== Result was: 0.001 ---- Result should have been: 0.00123 The zero's in 0.00123 are *not* significant. Score 1 against NeXT. format "%.3g" 999.6 ==== Result was: 999.6 ---- Result should have been: 1e+03 The format calls for 3 SIGNIFICANT DIGITS. Rounding 999.6 to three significant digits leaves 1000, which has an exponent equal to the precision and therefore should be printed in e format. Score 2 against NeXT. -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory Phone: (306) 966-6308 University of Saskatchewan FAX: (306) 966-6058 Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted.
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:11:04 -0600 From: rberber@spin.com.mx Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Message-ID: <856299776.17310@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News USENET Posting Service Vicki Bragin wrote: > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. > ... > How do I get back these menus? Looks like somebody is pulling a joke on you. The menues are hidden somewhere in your workspace, usually the far right side. Probably only a small piece of a corner can be seen. To get them back to the usual position run this on a terminal. dremove Edit NXMenuLocations dremove Mesa NXMenuLocations and the same for any other app. Hope this helps, ____________________ Rene Berber rberber@spin.com.mx MIME / NeXT Mail welcomed -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: schooley@ee.gatech.edu (David C. Schooley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:59:25 -0500 Organization: Georgia Tech Electric Power Jocks Message-ID: <schooley-1802971559250001@bicycle.ee.gatech.edu> References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> In article <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca>, eric@skatter.USask.Ca wrote: > I just finished installing OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 (Intel). I then checked to see if > my favorite bug had survived yet another version: > [snip] > eric@pisces 225> cc -o printfcheck printfcheck.c > eric@pisces 226> ./printfcheck > Expect 0.00123: 0.001 > Expect 123: 123.457 > Expect 123.5: 123.4567 > Expect 1e+03: 999.6 > eric@pisces 227> > I compiled and ran your code under Solaris. I got: Expect 0.00123: 0.00123 Expect 123: 123 Expect 123.5: 123.5 Expect 1e+03: 1e+03 [snip] > > The ANSI standard (X3.159-1989) says (Section 4.9.6.1, page 134, line 33): > > g,G The double argument is converted in style f or e (or in style E in the > case of a G conversion specifier), with the precision specifying the > number of significant digits. If the precision is zero, it is taken > as 1. The style used depends on the value converted; style e (or E) > will be use only if the exponent resulting from the conversion is less > than -4 or greater than or equal to the precision. Trailing zeros are > removed from the fractional portion of the result; a decimal-point > character appears only if it is followed by a digit. > > *** NOTE THE WORDS `precision specifying the number of significant digits'. *** > It looks like whoever is responsible for the ansi libraries at NeXT needs an explanation of the term "significant digits". (Years ago, my high school chemistry teacher refered to them as "significant figures". We called them "sig figs" for short.) On the other hand, the ANSI specification may be somewhat to blame, since it uses the term "precision" to specify the number of significant digits. It looks like the meaning of 'g' and 'G' changed between K&R and the ANSI standard. Either that, or the writer of the ANSI spec didn't know the meaning of "significant digits". From K&R, 2nd ed. g, G: use %e or %E if the exponent is less than -4 or greater than or equal to the precision; otherwise use %f. Trailing zeros and a trailing decimal point are not printed. e, E: [-]m.dddddde+/xx or [-]mddddddE+/xx, where the number of 'd's is given by the precision. f: [-]m.dddddd, where the number of 'd's is given by the precision. So, I agree that NeXT is wrong with regards to the ANSI spec, but I'm not sure that the ANSI spec means what the writer wanted it to say. Removal of the trailing zeros is inconsistent with keeping the proper number of significant digits. For consistency with the sig. fig. specification, the result from printf ("Expect 1e+03: %.3g\n", 999.6); should be 1.00e-3, since that has 3 significant digits, and 1e+03 only has 1. later, ---Dave--- ------------------------------------------------------------- David C. Schooley | Ph.D. in progress | Hey, New York, Georgia Tech Electric Power | <mailto: schooley@ece.gatech.edu> | Please put our flag back! <http://www.ee.gatech.edu/users/schooley/>| -------------------------------------------------------------
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Date: 18 Feb 1997 20:51:37 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5ed4op$t4c@hpax.cup.hp.com> References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> In article <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca>, <eric@skatter.USask.Ca> wrote: >eric@pisces 224> cat printfcheck.c >#include <stdio.h> > >int main (int argc, char **argv) >{ > printf ("Expect 0.00123: %.3g\n", 0.001234567); > printf ("Expect 123: %.3g\n", 123.4567); > printf ("Expect 123.5: %.4g\n", 123.4567); > printf ("Expect 1e+03: %.3g\n", 999.6); > return 0; >} >eric@pisces 225> cc -o printfcheck printfcheck.c >eric@pisces 226> ./printfcheck >Expect 0.00123: 0.001 >Expect 123: 123.457 >Expect 123.5: 123.4567 >Expect 1e+03: 999.6 >eric@pisces 227> [...] >Every other time I have posted an article about this bug I have received mail >saying that the behaviour of the NeXT printf is correct. To try and forestall >these replies I include the following: The above program runs giving the expected results on HPUX 9.05, if it means anything to you; so your expected results and HPUX's output at least coincides. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702181532.KAA10831@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: f004af58b1d1d3936ddaf53f79ae7a4e - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 10:32:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Cc: comp-sys-next-bugs@antigone.com References: f004af58b1d1d3936ddaf53f79ae7a4e - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Original Date: 18 Feb 1997 10:34:34 GMT > Is there any keystroke that I perchance might have used that > caused the main menus from both apps to remain invisible? None that I know of > How do I get back these menus? I believe the dwrite is "NXMenuLocations", and you can reset it via dremove AppName NXMenuLocations such as dremove Edit NXMenuLocations if you wanted to remove it for Edit.app TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: "Nicolas Droux" <droux@nmia.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:21:47 GMT Organization: New Mexico Internet Access Message-ID: <01bc1f41$4bafa9b0$c6a63bc6@hyperion> References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> eric@skatter.USask.Ca wrote in article <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca>... > eric@pisces 225> cc -o printfcheck printfcheck.c > eric@pisces 226> ./printfcheck > Expect 0.00123: 0.001 > Expect 123: 123.457 > Expect 123.5: 123.4567 > Expect 1e+03: 999.6 > eric@pisces 227> > > ================================================================== > > Yes! It's still not fixed! Seven years and three months since I first reported > it (way back in the NextStep 1.0 days). I even have the NeXT bug tracking > reference numbers [60697, 98369] and an e-mail message from NeXT (September 1994) > indicating that, ``it looks like it will finally be fixed in NEXTSTEP release > 4.0.'' > > I wonder if this has any chance of being fixed before OpenStep mutates into > Rhapsody? Just checked under OPENSTEP NT 4.1, and here's what I got... hyperion[24] openstep/printftest > gcc -o PrintfTest PrintfTest.c hyperion[25] openstep/printftest > PrintfTest.exe Expect 0.00123: 0.00123 Expect 123: 123 Expect 123.5: 123.5 Expect 1e+03: 1e+003 hyperion[26] openstep/printftest > -- Nicolas Droux http://www.cs.unm.edu/~droux
From: markr@connor-clark.com (Mark Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Date: 19 Feb 1997 14:40:15 GMT Organization: eConnect Message-ID: <5ef3cf$42o$1@news1.econnect.ca> References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> eric@skatter.USask.Ca writes > I just finished installing OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 (Intel). I then checked > to see if my favorite bug had survived yet another version: [snip] > Yes! It's still not fixed! Seven years and three months since I first > reported it (way back in the NextStep 1.0 days). I even have the NeXT > bug tracking reference numbers [60697, 98369] and an e-mail message from > NeXT (September 1994) indicating that, ``it looks like it will finally > be fixed in NEXTSTEP release 4.0.'' [snip] Well, I'm pleased to report that the results from OPENSTEP 4.1 on Windows NT 3.51 are much better!! Perhaps someone was listening after all :-) $ gcc test.c -o testme $ ./testme Expect 0.00123: 0.00123 Expect 123: 123 Expect 123.5: 123.5 Expect 1e+03: 1e+003 -- Mark Ritchie Diamond Lake Consulting Inc. OPENSTEP Developer Toronto, Ontario, Canada markr@connor-clark.com 416-956-9325 Currently under contract to Connor, Clark and Co. Ltd.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 18:37:36 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5ecstg$t67@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two applications > I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are nowhere to be seen whenever > I start both applications. The menus remain hidden the whole > time I use these apps. The only way I am able to see the menu > is by using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke that > I perchance might have used that caused the main menus from both > apps to remain invisible? How do I get back these menus? They wouldn't have moved due to a keystroke. You'd have had to drag them to the new position. The quickest way to get them back might be to: quit Edit and Mesa. open a unix shell in Terminal.app Enter the commands: dremove Edit NXMenuLocations dremove Mesa NXMenuLocations quit Terminal.app See if Edit and Mesa work better. There are some GUI interfaces to the defaults database, so you wouldn't need to bother with the Unix window, but I don't remember what they are. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Date: 22 Feb 97 21:30:34 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb22213034@howard.one.net> References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> <5ef3cf$42o$1@news1.econnect.ca> In-reply-to: markr@connor-clark.com's message of 19 Feb 1997 14:40:15 GMT In article <5ef3cf$42o$1@news1.econnect.ca>, markr@connor-clark.com (Mark Ritchie) writes: eric@skatter.USask.Ca writes > I just finished installing OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 (Intel). I then checked > to see if my favorite bug had survived yet another version: [snip] > Yes! It's still not fixed! Seven years and three months since I first > reported it (way back in the NextStep 1.0 days). I even have the NeXT > bug tracking reference numbers [60697, 98369] and an e-mail message from > NeXT (September 1994) indicating that, ``it looks like it will finally > be fixed in NEXTSTEP release 4.0.'' [snip] Well, I'm pleased to report that the results from OPENSTEP 4.1 on Windows NT 3.51 are much better!! Perhaps someone was listening after all :-) How does that follow? Unless I misunderstand How Things Work, NeXT isn't supplying printf() (or any of the other C functions) under OpenStep/NT, NT's libraries are. Beyond that, though, they might be using GNU's libc or somesuch, perhaps a variation on Cygnus GNU-WIN32. In any case, working on OpenStep/NT doesn't imply it will work on OpenStep/Mach, since printf() isn't part of OpenStep. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs From: Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken (possible solution) Message-ID: <E64Cw1.BI@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> <01bc1f41$4bafa9b0$c6a63bc6@hyperion> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:04:48 GMT Openstep 4.1 for Mach uses gcc 2.5.8 and Openstep 4.1 for NT uses gcc 2.7.2 -- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl (Drs G. C. Th. Wierda) Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken Message-ID: <E63sDL.7GB@AWT.NL> Sender: news@AWT.NL Organisation: AWT Organization: Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> <5ef3cf$42o$1@news1.econnect.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:41:45 GMT markr@connor-clark.com (Mark Ritchie) wrote: >Well, I'm pleased to report that the results from OPENSTEP 4.1 on Windows >NT 3.51 are much better!! Perhaps someone was listening after all :-) It's conincidence. Nobody was listening. The 'libc' for NT was taken from the FSF project, I guess. NeXT seems to have never done one iota of maintenance on their libc (stdio and all that). This is one of the most frustrating bugs that are still around in NEXTSTEP. Frustrating, because theye were already told in 1989 that the bug was there and it would have been absolutely trivial to fix. Maybe we should throw a party when the bug has its 10 year anniversary? -- Gerben Wierda, Stafmedewerker Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid. Staff member Advisory Council for Science and Technology Policy Javastraat 42, 2585 AP, 's-Gravenhage, The Hague, The Netherlands Tel (+31) 70 3639922 Fax (+31) 70 3608992 http://www.AWT.nl/ "One foolish wise man can state more than a thousand wise fools can question." "Doubters need to understand believes. Believers need not understand doubt."
From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OPENSTEP/MACH 4.1 -- printf %g still broken (possible solution) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 25 Feb 1997 04:17:13 GMT Organization: Disorganized Bits Message-ID: <5etp49$145q@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <5ecoph$74i@tribune.usask.ca> <01bc1f41$4bafa9b0$c6a63bc6@hyperion> <E64Cw1.BI@free.fdn.fr> Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org wrote: : Openstep 4.1 for Mach uses gcc 2.5.8 : and : Openstep 4.1 for NT uses gcc 2.7.2 So what??? This is not a compiler bug but a library bug. These do not have very much in common. --mj
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702260445.XAA04917@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 23:45:33 -0500 Subject: Mail.app: controlling where the "Compose" window opens When I first start Mail.app and have the Active.mbox open, if I ask for a compose window it comes relatively centered (albeit a little low). If I ask for another compose window (before closing the first) it will appear near the left side of the screen (about 1.5 icons' width from the left margin). The same happens if I close all the mailboxes and just call up a compose window. Does anyone know how to override this behavior (so that all the compose windows appear at the center of the screen, more or less?) TjL
From: ccwf@thales.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: adjtime broken on OpenStep 4.1/Intel Date: 27 Feb 1997 07:28:33 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <5f3d31$t2p@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Keywords: adjtime bug OpenStep Under OpenStep 4.1/Intel, adjtime() has little or no effect on the system time. At first glance, the call appears to work: it does not return any error codes, and the returned olddelta timeval will count down to zero, as expected. However, the bug can be easily verified by asking for a large adjustment (e.g., +/- 5 seconds), looping until olddelta is zero to signify that the adjustment is complete, and comparing with your wristwatch or another computer to see that the clock was not actually adjusted by the amount requested. The consequences are relatively minor if you are willing to accept up to approximately a ~0.3 second error in times between systems on your network and, more importantly, non-monotonically increasing times. Assuming you are running xntpd or ntpd, these daemons will eventually decide to step the time instead of doing an adjtime slew once the error exceeds 0.1 seconds. adjtime() worked just fine on NEXTSTEP 3.3 and previous. I do not know if it is broken in 4.0. -ccwf
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From: Axel.Rau@fr.bosch.de (Axel Rau - QI/RZS2 - Bosch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Mime Mail to Netscape looses Linefeeds Date: 6 Mar 1997 11:34:05 GMT Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH Message-ID: <5fma3d$spg@sioux.fr.internet.bosch.de> Keywords: Mime I compose a mime mail in Mail.app (3.3 or 4.1) with following contents: > Hi > > example11 example12 example13 > example21 example22 example23 > example31 example32 example33 > Reading that in Netscape Navigator 2.x ...4.0 Prerelease, I see the following: > Hi > example11 example12 example13 > example21 example22 example23 > example31 example32 example33 There is no wrapping of the resulting long line in the Netscape window. If I hit <CR> twice at the end of a line, my Netscape window shows up one. Any ideas folks ? -- Gruesse / regards, ----------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Rau - Bosch - QI/RZS31 - Internetdienste Boschweit - Germany Bosch Telecom QI/RZS31; P.O.Box; D-60277 Frankfurt Street: Kleyerstrasse 94; D-60326 Frankfurt Phone: +49-69-7505-6069; Fax: -2169;
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <22496856059808@digifix.com> Date: 6 Mar 1997 20:42:14 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5437857680935@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: scholz@leo.org (Bernhard Scholz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NEXTIME problems & questions Date: 7 Mar 1997 00:58:22 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Message-ID: <5fnp7e$v3@xenia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Playing around al little bit with several compressed movies, I stumbled about the following with NEXTIME: (all with OPENSTEP 4.1 for Intel) - there is a bug in NEXTIME (reported) which also occured in OPENSTEP 4.0. This bug prevents the system to do a clean shutdown. After you quit NEXTIME.app old processes still hang around and they seem to lock some resources. Even killing these processes doesn't help :( This bug of occured in OPENSTEP 4.0 and is still present in 4.1 The result: fsck at next boot. Nothing serious but annoying. - MPEG-1 seems to be supported, but isn't included. One Component lists mpeg-1. However only the extensions: mov and qt are recognized. There are also components for handling Pioneer LD and JPEG 1 (and various others) but I need a test movie to test them. I'm just wondering, how I could play LD's? How should I input the data? (I have access to an pioneer LD player) - Bug: Quicktime movies in stereo are handled badly. Sound breaks and stops suddenly. Also the channels are mixed up. This is definitly not a good demonstration :) Even at some positions frames are dropped. - There is much much documentation missing on how to write components. I'm very much interested in playing CD-i on my NEXTSTATION (I can do this under Windows95) but the MPEG-1 decompressor with AUDIO stream support is missing. I already grabbed the CMT from Barkley, but I can't figure out how to write an appropriate decompressor ... Maybe we get some things cleaned up with 4.2 ... (it is noted to be a 'bugfix' release in the Release Notes on NeXTanswers.) Maybe Documentation is handled to be a bug, too ;-) In general Windows95 media players are doing much better then NEXTIME. (Of course they are lacking the beautiful API, but do work and perform well). I'm wondering what quicktimes Steve demonstrated to convince Apple ... Greetings, Bernhard. -- Bernhard Scholz http://www.leo.org/~scholz/ Peanuts FTP Admin http://peanuts.leo.org/ scholz@leo.org, (StuSta ONLY: boerny@xenia.stusta.mhn.de)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199703060648.BAA02466@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 01:48:02 -0500 Subject: BUG REPORT: my script "stopthatmail" A note that I have just found a somewhat serious bug in my latest script "stopthatmail" For some reason the email addresses on emails sent to multiple recipients become one long address, ie if you send a message to someone@host.com else@place.oth person@host.isp the script seems to be turning it into one long address someone@host.com.else@place.oth.person@host.isp I don't know why it is doing that. I have pulled the script until I figure it out. Sorry for the inconvenience TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) PEAK OpenStep/NeXTStep FTP Site Newly revised and enhanced NeXTStep/OpenStep resources page, over 200 NeXTStep/OpenStep/Rhapsody related links. http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <5437857680935@digifix.com> Date: 9 Mar 1997 05:25:33 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <7353857885137@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. 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From: root@doublon.unice.fr (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Kernel trap with lookupd Date: 18 Mar 1997 15:26:52 GMT Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis Message-ID: <5gmc7s$2nr$1@malibu.unice.fr> Hello, We have NextStations, HP et PC under NextStep 3.3 and a PC server under OpenStep 4.1 We have kernel trap on the server and just before, we have error message like :lookupd[109]: objc: FREED(id): message validationStampAtIndex: sent to freed object=0x41698c It seems a problem of system or netinfo because we change all the elements of the PC without success. Please help Stephane Maurel I.N.L.N.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: NeXTdimension and NeXTtv. Fails to grab image on OS 4.1 Message-ID: <E7AJ21.nx@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:37:12 GMT Hi, I didn't check this under 4.0 but I realized a strange "feature" in OPENSTEP 4.1. While NeXTtv still works on my NeXTdimension running OPENSTEP 4.1 I am not longer able to make a snapshot of the current frame. I click the "camera" icon...it turns yellow...but the TV still keeps on running. What is wierd about this is that my one little NDCamera.app works as usual and I still can take a still image from the active video source. Whats the problem with NeXTtv.app ? (Mike...did the new DPS stuff brake some behavior NeXTtv was relying upon ?) Aloha Tomi P:S. What about and new "NDLiveVideoView" for Rhapsody so that my PowerBook 3400 and its zoomed video port could be a new host for NeXTtv v5.0 :-)
From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 19 Mar 1997 17:59:06 GMT Organization: Napa Valley College Message-ID: <5gp9ha$l7d@wiley.napanet.net> It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. I disabled Power Management as someone suggested, but it hasn't helped much. I'm still seeing this thing crash a lot. I'm also having problems with doing lookups on one particular hostname here. I ran telnet through gdb, and this is what happened: ---------- Hacking on nvcc: gdb /usr/ucb/telnet GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.14 (NEXTSTEP 4.0 --target i386), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc... Reading symbols from /usr/ucb/telnet...(no debugging symbols found)...done. (gdb) set args homnibus (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/ucb/telnet homnibus Dynamic Linkeditor at 0x12000000 offset 0x0 Executable at 0x2000 offset 0x0 /NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Versions/A/System at 0x5000000 offset 0x0 Reading symbols from loaded file...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Program generated(1): Memory access exception on address 0x0 (protection failure). 0x50034cb in memmove () ---------- Is there any fix for OPENSTEP 4.1 that will stabilize it? I need to use this for the server! I'm trying to upgrade from an old 25mhz NeXT cube. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 19 Mar 1997 21:50:34 GMT Organization: Napa Valley College Message-ID: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. I disabled Power Management as someone suggested, but it hasn't helped much. I'm still seeing this thing crash a lot. I'm also having problems with doing lookups on one particular hostname here. I ran telnet through gdb, and this is what happened: ---------- Hacking on nvcc: gdb /usr/ucb/telnet GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.14 (NEXTSTEP 4.0 --target i386), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc... Reading symbols from /usr/ucb/telnet...(no debugging symbols found)...done. (gdb) set args homnibus (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/ucb/telnet homnibus Dynamic Linkeditor at 0x12000000 offset 0x0 Executable at 0x2000 offset 0x0 /NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Versions/A/System at 0x5000000 offset 0x0 Reading symbols from loaded file...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Program generated(1): Memory access exception on address 0x0 (protection failure). 0x50034cb in memmove () ---------- Is there any fix for OPENSTEP 4.1 that will stabilize it? I need to use this for the server! I'm trying to upgrade from an old 25mhz NeXT cube. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us> <http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx>
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 20 Mar 1997 14:04:40 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> In article <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) writes: > It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo > server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into > one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. I VERY much hope that this is not the concensus/reality. There certainly MUST be someone out there who is succesfully using OS 4.1 as a NetInfo server. Someone, plesae, report that this fellow is in the minority. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: NeXT Ghetto People feat. St.Eve Message-ID: <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:29:27 GMT Rex Dieter wrote: > In article <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) > writes: > > It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo > > server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into > > one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. > > I VERY much hope that this is not the concensus/reality. There certainly > MUST be someone out there who is succesfully using OS 4.1 as a NetInfo > server. Someone, plesae, report that this fellow is in the minority. I don't know about OS 4.1 as NetInfo *server*, but on my stand-alone machine I had a similar problem (ping seg'faulting) and even one (and only one) panic. That happened around the time when my ISP had some DNS trouble, and apparently my NetInfo hosts were in an inconsistent state. I tried to fiddle with all the new 4.x NI caches that I could find in the docs, but no go. When I finally put a new host into NI (the one I couldn't reach) the crashing ping worked again. I suspect the new lookupd/caching is still somewhat unreliable when certain rare conditions occur. To the original poster: if you really can't get anything going without frequent panics, wipe out NI completely, restore from /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo and start again. Holger -- hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM LOAD "MACH_KERNEL",8,1
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <608858488427@digifix.com> Date: 23 Mar 1997 05:00:18 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <3027859093225@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 23 Mar 1997 07:47:17 -0500 Organization: Quick and Associates Message-ID: <5h38ol$bip@papoose.quick.com> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de> In article <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de>, Holger Hoffstaette <hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM> wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: >> In article <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) >> writes: >> > It seems that OPENSTEP 4.1 does *not* like to be a NetInfo >> > server. Ever since I've started trying to make my Pentium Pro 200 into >> > one, it's been giving me tons of Kernel Traps. >> >> I VERY much hope that this is not the concensus/reality. There certainly >> MUST be someone out there who is succesfully using OS 4.1 as a NetInfo >> server. Someone, plesae, report that this fellow is in the minority. > >I don't know about OS 4.1 as NetInfo *server*, but on my stand-alone >machine I had a similar problem (ping seg'faulting) and even one >(and only one) panic. That happened around the time when my ISP >had some DNS trouble, and apparently my NetInfo hosts were in >an inconsistent state. I tried to fiddle with all the new 4.x NI >caches that I could find in the docs, but no go. When I finally put >a new host into NI (the one I couldn't reach) the crashing ping >worked again. I suspect the new lookupd/caching is still somewhat >unreliable when certain rare conditions occur. > >To the original poster: if you really can't get anything going >without frequent panics, wipe out NI completely, restore from >/usr/template/client/etc/netinfo and start again. I finally used the Upgrader.app on the 4.0 system to downgrade from 4.1 to 4.0 on my box at work. I do not think it is netinfo that is causing this problem. Though I do not know what the underlying cause is, I have a hunch. Let me tell you what I experienced. After upgrading to 4.1, I ran fine for about 1 day. The second afternoon, I found that a small set of hosts could not be looked up by the resolver routines. Any executable which relied on the resolver routines were susceptible to a memory violation SIGSEGV. These included telnet, ping, rlogin, ftp, etc. The failure would only occur for hosts whose names were served via DNS, I never experienced this for hosts that were locally found in Netinfo. Manually running nslookup interactively (no name passed on the command line) would succeed. This makes sense though since this connects to the server via TCP, not via the UDP based resolver functions. I waited over a week before downgrading since I did have a workaround. I have a very large network of production Unix hosts so would just rlogin to a box whose name could be resolved, and rlogin to the intended destination from there. I found that if I rebooted the host, all name services would be normal for about 24 hours. When a hostname started failing, if I did nothing and waited about 1 day, it would start working again. #WAG (wild assed guess) mode on I suspect that the problem occurs when lookupd's cache is updated to remove hosts whose cache entries have timed out. If a cached entry is flushed, and the storage for the value is freed while the storage for the key and the pointer to the value is retained, it could result in this type of problem. I am unclear how 2 cycles of this activity could restore a previously failing pointer to proper activity, but I do know that doing nothing, would cause that host to be resolvable the following day. Statistically speaking, I know I do not have a large enough sample size to state any of this for sure, but I do remember what my experience was so take it for what it is worth. #WAG mode off Anyway. I do not think you should address the problem by wiping out and reloading netinfo. Since this would involve a reboot to be trustworthy anyway. I suspect that the previous poster had luck with it simply by virtue of the reboot, not because he rebuilt netinfo. When I did nothing to the configuration, but rebooted I never got the problem again until the following day. I finally backed out of 4.1 since networking is so critical to my day to day job. I did send several bug reports to NeXT on the problem, but I never got a response from a human based on those emails. I will try 4.2 when it is released and see if they fixed the problem, but till then suggest that the only sure cure in 4.1 will involve creating a new netinfo domain to hold all the hosts in your corporate net. You could use either host files or the output of an nslookup 'list domain' to periodically refresh this. I recommend using a separate domain for this so that you can easily get rid of these names when the problem is fixed. Then you can revert to DNS the way the net.gods intended. p.s. I just thought of something. Perhaps it is possible to just put a *really* large timeout setting in the lookupd subsystem for cache entries. This may make things live there for a few weeks at a time. Yeah, a monthly reboot is atrocious but it does not suck as badly as rebooting every other day. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Apple, we know the song's not written yet, ) | but could you at least hum a few more bars?
From: "Erik D. Schminke" <edschminke@willmar.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Hacking a NeXT Mach System Date: 23 Mar 1997 19:06:05 GMT Organization: MEANS Message-ID: <01bc37bc$a9a0d380$ca3a0ace@schminke.willmar.com> I would like some questions answered by any hackers out there willing to help. My school runs a NeXT Mach system and someone hacked into it using one of the so called "default accounts". Please take a look at what was done. The website is at http://willmar.k12.cfa.org/. I expect that this page will be take down and returned to what it was before, as soon as it is discovered, so I made a copy of the page and put it at http://www.willmar.com/~schminke/willmar/. Please check one of these pages and then explain how to this was do to me via e-mail. My address is edschminke@willmar.com Thank you, -- Erik Schminke (edschminke@willmar.com)
From: Hermann Lauer <Hermann.Lauer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: 4.1 lookupd core dumps Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:23:08 +0100 Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <3338F90C.41C6@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: hlauer Hello, we just installed a machine with NextStep 4.1 in our mixed network, after having problems with the setup of NIS(YP) (the key are the release notes of the lookupd), now we have frequent kernel traps when trying to "su root" on the machine. First the machine does nothing and the after a while the trap occured. Every kernel trap leaves a core in /, wich seems to came from lookupd. I include below the configuration of lookupd from netinfo. Has somebody a working version which uses NIS(YPAgent), DNS(DNSAgent) and Netinfo(NIAgent) ? Leaving out one of them (as suggested by some news posting) is impossible on the setup used here. Another question: Is this problem new to 4.1, i. e., have somebody Version 4.0 running with a similar setup ? Thanks for any help/infos/replys. Hermann -----Configuration of lookupd--------------------------------- # nidump -r /locations/lookupd / name = lookupd; LookupOrder = (CacheAgent, NIAgent, YPAgent, FFAgent); CHILDREN = ({ name = hosts; LookupOrder = (CacheAgent, YPAgent, DNSAgent, NIAgent); ValidateCache = NO; }, { name = networks; LookupOrder = (CacheAgent, YPAgent, DNSAgent, NIAgent); ValidateCache = NO; }); -------------------------------------------------------------- Hermann Lauer Bildverarbeitungsgruppe des Interdiziplinaeren Zentrums fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen, Universitaet Heidelberg INF 368; 69120 Heidelberg; Tel: (06221)548826 Fax: (06221)545224 Email: Hermann.Lauer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: 28 Mar 1997 23:18:34 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5hhjka$fiv$1@news.platinum.com> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de> <5hei73$c80@news.zocalo.net> Cc: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us In <5hei73$c80@news.zocalo.net> it appeared that Chris Osborn wrote: > In article <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de>, > Holger Hoffstaette <hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM> wrote: > >To the original poster: if you really can't get anything going > >without frequent panics, wipe out NI completely, restore from > >/usr/template/client/etc/netinfo and start again. > > I did that quite a few times before ever posting that I was having > problems. I did get a new lookupd from someone at NeXT, but I'm > *still* having problems. > > Now after about 24 hours or so, lookups start to get *very* > slow. It'll take forever to do a lookup on the server for one of the > computers that is in my domain, but is *not* in NetInfo. After about > 36 hours or so, the server hangs *so severely* that I cannot restart > it any other way than to push reset. Can't get into the NMI, nothing. > > So far it looks like there are serious problems with using 4.1 as a > NetInfo server. As far as I can tell, lookupd on OpenStep 4.1 is marginally functional. I can't get it to work properly with NIS on either NeXT or Intel. (On Intel, I can run the NS3.3 lookupd, and everything that I use -- NIS & DNS -- works fine. On NeXT hardware, this swapout does not work.) The symptom you describe is classic binary-has-a-serious-defect material. You *might* talk to NeXT - maybe there is another update after the one you got. watch the vsize on your lookupd... it may have a leak and be growing so badly that it fills your VM... mine's been up for 5 days, and is less than 2MB VSIZE, and is 400k RSIZE. (I'm running the NS3.3patcha lookupd on an OPENSTEP 4.1/intel system). PID USERNAME STATE PRI NICE THR VSIZE RSIZE %MEM %CPU TIME COMMAND 122 root SW 10 0 1 1808K 400K 0.61 0.00 0:02 lookupd If the lookupd you have is functional (i.e. if it provides the services you need until it causes the machine to lock up) you can set a cron job to kill and restart lookupd every night or something like that. If you find that lookupd is growing for you, do some checking to see if a "kill -1" will cause it to free the bogusly claimed memory (that would be nice... but don't hold your breath) If not, you'll need to spank harder. dinobert # uptime 5:05pm up 5 days, 5:30, 3 users, load average: 1.72, 1.77, 1.79 /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <3027859093225@digifix.com> Date: 30 Mar 1997 05:00:28 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <7486859698032@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: Luke Howard <lukeh@xedoc.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:00:04 +1000 Organization: Xedoc Software Development Pty Ltd Message-ID: <333F44D4.6AD6@xedoc.com.au> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de> <5h38ol$bip@papoose.quick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "James E. Quick" <jq@papoose.quick.com> CC: majka@next.com > I finally used the Upgrader.app on the 4.0 system to downgrade > from 4.1 to 4.0 on my box at work. I do not think it is netinfo > that is causing this problem. Though I do not know what the > underlying cause is, I have a hunch. Let me tell you what I > experienced. Why didn't you just copy the lookupd from 4.0 (or even 3.3patch) to your 4.1 system? I'm interested to know whether the lookupd in 4.2 fixes any of these problems. -- luke
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Preview.app Fax Later-bug ? Date: 2 Apr 1997 10:39:54 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5htd1q$bk1@hagen.amg.de> Hi NeXTFolks, I've got a question about the Fax-Panel in the Preview.app: It isn't possible to send a FAX LATER in the Fax-Panel in Preview.app (the curious thing about this is, that it works in any other App, but not in Preview...) I am doing the following: 1) Open a document in an app (e.g. Edit.app) 2) Choose Print/Preview (Preview.app launches) 3) In Preview choose Print/Fax 4) Now enter a phone number in Preview's Fax-Panel 5) Click on Fax Later... 6) Select e.g. 23:30 of today 7) Look at the PrintManagers Fax-Queue and see the Fax will NOT be sent at 23:30 of today, but ASAP (as soon as possible) In any other app than Preview the fax will be sent at the specified time (as is expected) !!! Does anyone know a workaround, a unix-tool or something else to make Preview send a fax at a LATER point of time ?? Thanks a lot, Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Remote kernel debugging broken under 3.3? Date: 3 Apr 1997 22:10:14 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i19s6$fnj$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> References: <5hv8pr$kus$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> In article <5hv8pr$kus$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au (Leigh Smith) writes: > In article <5huv50$1mr$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris > Roehrig) writes: > > > >Is remote kernel debugging broken under NS3.3? > > Works for me no problems, on two Intel machines running 3.3. I have no problems going from a 3Com EtherLinkIII box to an Intel EtherExpress16 box, but I can't connect in the reverse direction. Does the 3Com EtherLinkIII driver (v3.33) support KDB connections? -- Chris Roehrig croehrig@House.ORG Neuroscience and Computer Science at University of British Columbia, Vancouver http://www.House.ORG/chris http://www.sns.cs.ubc.ca/chris
From: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au (Leigh Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Remote kernel debugging broken under 3.3? Date: 3 Apr 1997 03:39:39 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Distribution: world Message-ID: <5hv8pr$kus$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> References: <5huv50$1mr$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> In article <5huv50$1mr$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: > >Is remote kernel debugging broken under NS3.3? Works for me no problems, on two Intel machines running 3.3. People should be aware that OpenStep 4.X doesn't support device driver development! Get your act together NeXT! Make sure you have the same kernel running on both machines. > >1. make sure master can do a "ping slave", and that arp -a lists slave's >ethernet address. >2. On master: cd /; gdb mach >3. On slave: bring up NEXTSTEP minimonitor (L-alt, R-alt, numlock) You should then type "gdb" at the minimonitor so that it is saying waiting for remote kernel connection. >I isolated slave and master from my LAN, made sure all network operations >worked, and tried it again. This time I got a gdb error message: > Couldn't find kernel kdb port, gdb_slave >which from the gdb source code fails earlier (during netname lookups) instead >of during execution of /usr/lib/kdb itself. > Netname lookups do a broadcast message to hfind the server for that device. Chances are with just the two machines, you need a DNS server for it to work. I'm doing all my kernel debugging over the Campus LAN no probs. -- Leigh Computer Science, University of Western Australia Smith +61-9-380-3778 leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au (NeXTMail/MIME)
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Bugs in NeXTstep's SCSI support? (12 byte scsi reads failing with I/O error) Date: 3 Apr 1997 04:11:40 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <5hvals$rft$2@gaea.omnigroup.com> In my never-ending quest to improve OmniCD (ok, ok, you'll get an updated beta very soon), I'm running into a problem with 12-byte SCSI reads. Interestingly, it works on black hardware, but not on white. (I've been unable to test green or yellow due to certain circumstances.) The problem hits me when trying to read CDDA data from cdrom drives. Many drives, such as Sony & Plextor, use a 12-byte command to read the data - this works fine on black but fails with an I/O error on white. Other drives, such as Toshiba, use a 10-byte command to read CDDA data - this works fine on all platforms. Anyone know anything about this? Any workaround ideas? (It's not a byte-ordering issue - I've checked that meticulously and had someone sanity check my checks.) For what it's worth, this is a 3.3 app. I haven't had the opportunity to try on 4.x, though my immediate thought is that this stuff is the same, considering that we're talking about ioctls. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok
From: duboisj@gondolin.is.com (Josh DuBois) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: DPSAddFD in OpenStep?? Date: 6 Apr 1997 22:56:37 GMT Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. Message-ID: <5i99n5$79c@medusa.is.com> Hey, All - I found an old post in an archive of this list posing the following question : how do you port code that uses the DPSAddFD() function from 3.3 to 4.x? The conversion documentation is insonsistant, claiming at one point that a NSPosixFileDescriptor object must be created and sent a 'monitorActivity' message, then passed to NSRunLoop's addPosixFileDescriptor: method. Elsewhere in the docs, however, it is claimed that NSPosixFileDescriptor has been replaced by NSFileHandle. Unfortunately, NSFileHandle does not seem to have an API for doing anything like 'monitorActivity' - but I can't find docs on this method so I'm not sure what it does/did anyhow. Anyone know how to handle this - where to read to find out more? Anyone from NeXT listening? Thanks a lot, Josh. (p.s.) the archived post hadn't recieved any responses.
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Remote kernel debugging broken under 3.3? Date: 5 Apr 1997 08:47:52 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i53jo$5uq$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> References: <5i19s6$fnj$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> The continuing saga of trying to get remote kernel debugging (KDB) to work on NS3.3. NeXT says that only NeXT-supplied adapters support KDB, but NOT ALL OF THEM DO! I've now got FOUR datapoints (three of my own and one from Leigh Smith): DRIVER RESULT VERSION EtherExpress 16 WORKS CD-ROM v 3.30 SMC16 WORKS CD-ROM v 3.30? (from Leigh) EtherLink3 FAILS NeXTanswers v 3.33 (beta) SMCUltra FAILS NeXTanswers v 3.31 It's starting to look like only old adapters that have drivers on the original CD-ROM are supported. Can anyone recommend a "current" network adapter that supports KDB? -- Chris Roehrig croehrig@House.ORG Neuroscience and Computer Science at University of British Columbia, Vancouver http://www.House.ORG/chris http://www.sns.cs.ubc.ca/chris
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Remote kernel debugging broken under 3.3? Date: 3 Apr 1997 00:54:56 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5huv50$1mr$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> Is remote kernel debugging broken under NS3.3? I've read all the docs, called NeXT tech. support, and they claim it *should* work, but it doesn't. I'm doing: 1. make sure master can do a "ping slave", and that arp -a lists slave's ethernet address. 2. On master: cd /; gdb mach 3. On slave: bring up NEXTSTEP minimonitor (L-alt, R-alt, numlock) 4. On master: kattach slave I end up getting console messages: KDB: Can't connect to target. I isolated slave and master from my LAN, made sure all network operations worked, and tried it again. This time I got a gdb error message: Couldn't find kernel kdb port, gdb_slave which from the gdb source code fails earlier (during netname lookups) instead of during execution of /usr/lib/kdb itself. Other info: No other gdb sessions are running. The machines are identical ASUS 430VX P133 boxes with Matrox Milleniums, and 3Com EtherLinkIII in ISA mode. The latest NeXTanswers drivers are used for all devices. I've installed the 3.3Developer and User patches (which contain an updated gdb). Any suggestions? -- Chris Roehrig croehrig@House.ORG Neuroscience and Computer Science at University of British Columbia, Vancouver http://www.House.ORG/chris http://www.sns.cs.ubc.ca/chris
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NetInfo/Lookupd and OPENSTEP 4.1 cause endless Kernel Traps Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:26:06 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3340C69E.59E2@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5gpn3a$6o3@news.zocalo.net> <5grg5o$jg0@crcnis3.unl.edu> <E7G5H3.1nG@flop.schwaben.de> <5hei73$c80@news.zocalo.net> <5hhjka$fiv$1@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > As far as I can tell, lookupd on OpenStep 4.1 is marginally functional. I > can't get it to work properly with NIS on either NeXT or Intel. (On Intel, I > can run the NS3.3 lookupd, and everything that I use -- NIS & DNS -- works > fine. On NeXT hardware, this swapout does not work.) > Did you set up the LookupOrder in netinfo to include the information from NIS ? Have a look at /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/ReleaseNotes/lookupd.rtf The lookupd from Openstep4.0/mach is definitely buggy concerning the handling of NIS maps. But it seems to be fixed in 4.1. Use this writing of the "LookupOrder". Documentation is still telling the a wrong writing "lookupOrder" somewhere. stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jurgen@oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff) Subject: Q:Hang while looking up connection after fork (PDO 4.1/Solaris and EOF 2.0) Message-ID: <E8A1Dx.on@oic.de> Sender: news@oic.de Organization: OIC, Bochum, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:49:09 GMT Hi, I found this in the release notes of PDO 4.1/Solaris: ----- Reference: 68675 Problem: Hang while looking up connection after fork Description: If you have a DO client which tries to look up a connection using NSConnection's connectionWithRegisteredName:host:, then forks a process, and then either exits or tries to look up the connection again, the client will hang. If the fork is omitted, the client won't hang. Workaround: None. ----- Exactly this is now my problem, but I need a workaround. Is this bug fixed in PDO 4.2? I try to fork a process with the NSTask class (but it is the same when I use simply fork() and execv()) and every time the DO client will hang, when I remove all the DO stuff from my process the the fork works. It it the same when a DO server try to fork a DO client. It is no possible to use threads instead of own processes for my project. I need really a workaround for this problem or I can't go on with the project. Is there someone who knows a solution for this problem? Thank you in advance. Juergen Moellenhoff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 97 21:29:25 -0400 Subject: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary If I try to 'delete' a print request or fax request in PrintManager.app, it tells me that I don't own the request. I assume this is because I turned off the setuid for /NextApps/PrintManager.app/PrintManager -- especially because it worked once I turned it back on. I consider this a bug because I think that a user should be able to delete their own print or fax jobs -- and not just anyone's. Plus a setuid program always gives me the shivers, and I'm on a standalone with little chance of being hacked at. Does anyone have a workaround (rather than setuid, of course) ? Thanks TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "Give a man a piece of working code and you solve his problem. Teach a man to write code and you give him a lifetime of new problems" -- me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199704070128.VAA00804@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 9bd906b56b1e6f7cc16e34626a79b90b - From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 97 21:28:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Preview.app Fax Later-bug ? Cc: comp-sys-next-bugs@antigone.com References: 9bd906b56b1e6f7cc16e34626a79b90b - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary > Does anyone know a workaround, a unix-tool or something else to > make Preview send a fax at a LATER point of time ?? I don't know if it helps or not, but I get this same behavior on my m68k system running NS 3.3/pl1. (selecting "fax later" gets faxed immediately). There has to be a commandline way of sending a file to the fax-queue, but I don't have any idea what it is. I'd like to know (if someone out there knows). TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "Give a man a piece of working code and you solve his problem. Teach a man to write code and you give him a lifetime of new problems" -- me
Control: cancel <E8A1Dx.on@oic.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jurgen@oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff) Subject: cmsg cancel <E8A1Dx.on@oic.de> Message-ID: <E8AJnu.q3@oic.de> Organization: OIC, Bochum, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:23:54 GMT 15122 cancelled from NewsGrazer.
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From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:08:31 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cnGLtj600iWSADcxMX@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 6-Apr-97 PrintManager.app: "You don'.. by "Timothy J. Luoma"@peak. > If I try to 'delete' a print request or fax request in > PrintManager.app, it tells me that I don't own the request. > > I assume this is because I turned off the setuid for > /NextApps/PrintManager.app/PrintManager -- especially because it > worked once I turned it back on. Umm, yeah. The spool directories for things like mail, printers, and so forth are protected to prevent normal users from seeing and/or changing the contents of the jobs. Tools which manipulate those queues _must_ be setuid or else the spool dirs would have to be world-writable. > I consider this a bug because I think that a user should be able to > delete their own print or fax jobs -- and not just anyone's. It's a bug if one normal user can delete some other user's jobs, yes. Note that the superuser can always delete anything, and some systems sometimes pay attention to groups like staff, operator, wheel, and so forth to specify who is allowed to do what. > Plus a setuid program always gives me the shivers, and I'm on a > standalone with little chance of being hacked at. Setuid is a useful tool. Setuid to a normal user account is a common way of implementing functionality within tools that control access. Setuid-root programs should be regarded with some caution, but your OS vendor is supposed to ensure that such programs are "reasonably safe". And, they aren't any more dangerous than processes like the lpd itself which run as root if they were correctly written. > Does anyone have a workaround (rather than setuid, of course) ? Maybe 'lprm' might be more suitable to what you want since it should only allow normal users to remove their own jobs. However, you're never going to be able to get around using either a setuid program some kind of server process running as root to manipulate a queue that multiple users have access to. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer From: jurgen@oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff) Subject: Hang while looking up connection after fork (PDO 4.1/Solaris and EOF 2.0) Message-ID: <E8AK7L.wq@oic.de> Sender: news@oic.de Organization: OIC, Bochum, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:35:45 GMT Hi, I found this in the release notes of PDO 4.1/Solaris: Reference: 68675 Problem: Hang while looking up connection after fork Description: If you have a DO client which tries to look up a connection using NSConnection's connectionWithRegisteredName:host:, then forks a process, and then either exits or tries to look up the connection again, the client will hang. If the fork is omitted, the client won't hang. Workaround: None. Exactly this is now my problem, but I need a workaround. Is this bug fixed in PDO 4.2? I try to fork a process with the NSTask class (but it is the same when I use simply fork() and execv()) and every time the DO client will hang, when I remove all the DO stuff from my process the fork works. It is the same when a DO server try to fork a DO client. It is not possible to use threads instead of own processes for my project. Is there someone who knows a solution for this problem? Thank you in advance. Juergen Moellenhoff
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <7486859698032@digifix.com> Date: 6 Apr 1997 05:00:24 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <28108860302827@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: hans@icgned.nl Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Message-ID: <E8BAp6.98G@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: IC Group References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> Orginization: Save the Dodo Foundation Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:07:53 GMT "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > >If I try to 'delete' a print request or fax request in >PrintManager.app, it tells me that I don't own the request. You problem is that you don't own the queue directory. Consequently, you can't delete anything unless PrintManager runs setuid. >I assume this is because I turned off the setuid for >/NextApps/PrintManager.app/PrintManager -- especially because it >worked once I turned it back on. >I consider this a bug because I think that a user should be able to >delete their own print or fax jobs -- and not just anyone's. Lukcy you: that's exactly the policy PrintManager implements. >Plus a setuid program always gives me the shivers, and I'm on a >standalone with little chance of being hacked at. What sort of problems are you afraid of? >Does anyone have a workaround (rather than setuid, of course) ? The workaround is to turn setuid off for /usr/ucb/lpr . If you do that, you're no longer able to queue requests, so you never need to delete print jobs. Hope this helps, -- HansM
From: Hermann Lauer <Hermann.Lauer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: 4.1 lookupd core dumps Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:23:08 +0100 Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <3338F90C.41C6@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: hlauer Hello, we just installed a machine with NextStep 4.1 in our mixed network, after having problems with the setup of NIS(YP) (the key are the release notes of the lookupd), now we have frequent kernel traps when trying to "su root" on the machine. First the machine does nothing and the after a while the trap occured. Every kernel trap leaves a core in /, wich seems to came from lookupd. I include below the configuration of lookupd from netinfo. Has somebody a working version which uses NIS(YPAgent), DNS(DNSAgent) and Netinfo(NIAgent) ? Leaving out one of them (as suggested by some news posting) is impossible on the setup used here. Another question: Is this problem new to 4.1, i. e., have somebody Version 4.0 running with a similar setup ? Thanks for any help/infos/replys. Hermann -----Configuration of lookupd--------------------------------- # nidump -r /locations/lookupd / name = lookupd; LookupOrder = (CacheAgent, NIAgent, YPAgent, FFAgent); CHILDREN = ({ name = hosts; LookupOrder = (CacheAgent, YPAgent, DNSAgent, NIAgent); ValidateCache = NO; }, { name = networks; LookupOrder = (CacheAgent, YPAgent, DNSAgent, NIAgent); ValidateCache = NO; }); -------------------------------------------------------------- Hermann Lauer Bildverarbeitungsgruppe des Interdiziplinaeren Zentrums fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen, Universitaet Heidelberg INF 368; 69120 Heidelberg; Tel: (06221)548826 Fax: (06221)545224 Email: Hermann.Lauer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,de.comp.sys.next Subject: NFS Problems, now from NeXT4.1 to irix6.x Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:30:17 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <334E3CE9.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo, after having this problems with NFS from Irix6.2 (xfs) exported to NeXT 4.x (Bug Report109248) ... I have nfs problems the other way. I've just upgraded one NeXT from 4.0 to 4.1 which also exports something to irix6.2 machines. This was no problem with NeXT 4.0. After the upgrade the NFS export from NeXT 4.1 to irix6.2 isn't working anymore!!! This has nothing to do with xfs on irix. The irix6.2 box realizes correctly that the nfs server is exporting nfs-version2. But the mount command on irix just hangs and NeXTs console is telling: Apr 11 12:48:28 pckr5 mach: svckudp_send: xdr_replymsg failed Apr 11 12:48:28 pckr5 mach: nfs_server: bad sendreply from 193.175.251.111 Again: 1. This new bug known? 2. Is it fixed in 4.2 ? Even there's nothing in 4.2Releasenotes (http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2504.htmld/2504.html ) 3. Is there a workaround ? Still no problems nfs exporting from NeXT4.1 to DecUnix 4.x and 3.2 Why are things buggy in 4.1 while working in 3.3 and 4.0 ? Stefan Ried -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: Ryan Watkins <vamp@vamp.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: 11 Apr 1997 18:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: > > Plus a setuid program always gives me the shivers, and I'm on a > > standalone with little chance of being hacked at. > > > > Does anyone have a workaround (rather than setuid, of course) ? > > A setuid program is not a problem. > > A *script* which is run setuid can be a security problem, but > this is not a script. Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some program as root, and that program lets you do nasty things - regardless of whether its a script or binary - its still a security problem. -- Ryan L. Watkins "Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' Web Overlord label on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad vamp@dimensionx.com old days, before the Web, when you had very little chance www.dimensionx.com of reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or another network." - Tim Berners-Lee
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <28108860302827@digifix.com> Date: 13 Apr 1997 04:00:07 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <15479860904022@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:01:43 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QnIKLLm00iVGQ83p54@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> In-Reply-To: <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 11-Apr-97 Re: PrintManager.app: "You .. by Ryan Watkins@vamp.org >> A setuid program is not a problem. >> >> A *script* which is run setuid can be a security problem, but >> this is not a script. > > Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some program as > root, and that program lets you do nasty things - regardless of > whether its a script or binary - its still a security problem. The security issue is not whether a program running as root can do bad things (since it obviously can), but whether someone can use that program to crack the system. Setuid scripts are explicitly insecure because the mechanisms for invoking a shell script can be subverted. A correctly-written binary executable is far more secure because it does not share the vulnerabilities of setuid shell scripts. Of course, binaries can still have security problems too (witness sendmail).... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: siren@surf.pangea.ca (Betty Siren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: loginwindow tries to start BuildDisk! Date: 13 Apr 1997 22:26:19 -0500 Organization: Pangea.CA, Inc. Message-ID: <5is84r$6a0@surf.pangea.ca> References: <5i9j4t$r53@surf.pangea.ca> <chk.860424422@deimos.frii.com> chk@deimos.frii.com (Christian Kuhtz) writes: >I believe it was /var/adm/BuildDisk.custom. >Try touching that file and see what happens. BINGO! "touch /clients/rtmono/adm/BuildDisk.custom" fixed it. I had seen that file on the *server* and thought it might be the *problem* rather than the solution, since my diskless client used work fine. Of course it also used to be headless :-) It has since got the mono monitor from my server cube. Before installing a NextDimention on the server, I tried a quick backup, since I had not done one for a year. So long, in fact, that I left out the hyphen in: "dump 0uf - /dev/rsd0a | compress > /OD/backup.Z" Recovering took so many changes, I didn't know which one to blame. Must have tried a hundred "trial and error" fixes. >This is something that absolutely has to go into the FAQ! At least now it will be in DejaNews. Many thanks Chris. Also thanks to the emailers who suggested "dread -l" and "nidump -r" ... Richard Tilley <siren@pangea.ca>
From: vamp@vamp.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: 14 Apr 1997 00:42:12 -0700 Organization: http://www.vamp.org/ Message-ID: <y1lvi5qf3u3.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> <QnIKLLm00iVGQ83p54@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 11-Apr-97 Re: > PrintManager.app: "You .. by Ryan Watkins@vamp.org > >> A setuid program is not a problem. > >> > >> A *script* which is run setuid can be a security problem, but > >> this is not a script. > > > > Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some program as > > root, and that program lets you do nasty things - regardless of > > whether its a script or binary - its still a security problem. > > The security issue is not whether a program running as root can do bad > things (since it obviously can), but whether someone can use that > program to crack the system. But you can use a suid binary to crack a system as well. Sure, its often easier with a suid script, but there are plenty of ways to crack a system via suid binaries. The suggestion that I seemed to read from his statement -- that suid binaries are ok, but suid scripts are not -- is bogus. I presume we both understand the issue here, I just wanted to point out that a suid binary is not necessarily more secure than a suid script. -- Ryan L. Watkins `silver moonbeams dance in fountains below shining citadels vamp@vamp.org surrounded by silver gates ascending silver stairs www.vamp.org eureka on angelic prayer wafts in and scents the air' -satb
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: Hans Mulder <hans@icgned.nl> Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Message-ID: <E8q0tB.LK@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: IC Group References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> <QnIKLLm00iVGQ83p54@andrew.cmu.edu> <y1lvi5qf3u3.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> <5iuhgo$mut@usenet.rpi.edu> Orginization: Save the Dodo Foundation Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:58:22 GMT Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >My statement is that setuid scripts are, by definition, not safe. >There is nothing the person writing the script can do to make >the script safe. When you say "by definition", do you mena setuid scripts in general or are you referring to the implementation currently used by NeXT? For example, what do you think about the mechanism used in modern System V versions? Would you maintain your statement if NeXT were to implement that mechanism? -- HansM
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:38:16 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YnIcScq00WBOI5hI4X@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> <QnIKLLm00iVGQ83p54@andrew.cmu.edu> <y1lvi5qf3u3.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> In-Reply-To: <y1lvi5qf3u3.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 14-Apr-97 Re: PrintManager.app: "You .. by vamp@vamp.org >>> Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some program as >>> root, and that program lets you do nasty things - regardless of >>> whether its a script or binary - its still a security problem. >> >> The security issue is not whether a program running as root can do bad >> things (since it obviously can), but whether someone can use that >> program to crack the system. > > But you can use a suid binary to crack a system as well. Sometimes you can, if the binary was written poorly and contained bugs. The mechanism most commonly used is taking advantage of a buffer overflow on the stack which lets you cleverly redirect the PC to executable code you've created within the buffer. > Sure, its often easier with a suid script, but there are plenty of ways to > crack a system via suid binaries. That's not generally true. For example, how would you crack the sendmail shipped with NEXTSTEP 3.3? I'm almost certain it's theoretically vulnerable, but it's not at all easy to do so in practice. Compare this to setuid shell scripts, which are inherently vulnerable to various forms of attack (like changing the values of the IFC environment variable) no matter how you've written them. There's no way to prevent these attacks sort of changing the kernel (the part of the loader which exec's shell scripts via the '#!' syntax, more specificly) to disable passing various environment variables to setuid scripts. > The suggestion that I seemed to read from his statement -- that suid > binaries are ok, but suid scripts are not -- is bogus. I disagree. Setuid scripts are dangerous regardless of what they do or how they were written; setuid binaries can be verified by checking the source to ensure that they don't contain errors which could result in security problems. Well designed systems (eg, INN) use a small, easily checked setuid program which opens the required file descriptors, sets things up, and so forth before reliquishing its permissions and exec()ing the rest of the system, which is not trusted. > I presume we both understand the issue here, I just wanted to point > out that a suid binary is not necessarily more secure than a suid > script. Again, I disagree for the reasons above. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: 15 Apr 1997 00:18:32 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5iuhgo$mut@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> <QnIKLLm00iVGQ83p54@andrew.cmu.edu> <y1lvi5qf3u3.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> vamp@vamp.org wrote: > Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > > > Ryan Watkins@vamp.org writes: > > > Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some > > > program as root, and that program lets you do nasty things > > > - regardless of whether its a script or binary - its still > > > a security problem. > > > > The security issue is not whether a program running as root > > can do bad things (since it obviously can), but whether someone > > can use that program to crack the system. > > But you can use a suid binary to crack a system as well. Sure, > its often easier with a suid script, but there are plenty of ways > to crack a system via suid binaries. The suggestion that I seemed > to read from his statement -- that suid binaries are ok, but suid > scripts are not -- is bogus. > > I presume we both understand the issue here, I just wanted to > point out that a suid binary is not necessarily more secure than > a suid script. My statement is that setuid scripts are, by definition, not safe. There is nothing the person writing the script can do to make the script safe. This is not true about setuid executables. It is at least possible to make a completely safe setuid executable -- and there are some desirable features which can only be implemented via setuid executables. Sure, you can get rid of all setuid executables, but the system you end up with will be much less functional. I will agree that my original statement, which did imply that all setuid executables were somehow safe, was rather misleading. I have already admitted that, and given a better wording. However, it is pretty silly for you to now go to the other extreme, and imply that the occasional security hole in a setuid executable makes executables just as scary as scripts. A setuid script *is* a security hole. A setuid executable *may be* a security hole. This is an important distinction. Let's not lose that distinction while correcting my original misleading statement. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: martin@brutus.amg.de.amg.de (Martin Gaehner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Endless Kernel Traps under OS 4.1 Date: 17 Apr 1997 08:03:13 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5j4lg1$rf6@hagen.amg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, we are using an Intel Pentium P133 with OpenStep 4.1 an get endless kernle traps while there is only the Workspace and Terminal-App running on the computer. The machine is equiped with the following components: Intel, TO P133 PCI-Mainboard MATROX MGA Millenium with 2 MB WRAM Grafikadapter ADPATEC E/MASTER ETH PCI Combo Networkadaptor We use the standard hardware driver, that are given on the OS 4.1 CD. The systems works as a netinfo-server Has anybody of You any suggestion what the problem is or has anybody of You similar problems using OS 4.1 on an Intel-Machine Pleas answer to martin@amg.de Thanks in advance Martin Gähner AMG Industrie Consulting GmbH
From: 461443 <461443@ptt-telecom.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: 17 Apr 1997 14:08:45 GMT Organization: PTT Telecom B.V. Message-ID: <5j5atd$5jd@hdxl16.telecom.ptt.nl> Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: > vamp@vamp.org wrote: > > Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > > > > > Ryan Watkins@vamp.org writes: > > > > Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some > > > > program as root, and that program lets you do nasty things > > > > - regardless of whether its a script or binary - its still > > > > a security problem. > > > > > > The security issue is not whether a program running as root > > > can do bad things (since it obviously can), but whether someone > > > can use that program to crack the system. > > > > But you can use a suid binary to crack a system as well. Sure, > > its often easier with a suid script, but there are plenty of ways > > to crack a system via suid binaries. The suggestion that I seemed > > to read from his statement -- that suid binaries are ok, but suid > > scripts are not -- is bogus. > > > > I presume we both understand the issue here, I just wanted to > > point out that a suid binary is not necessarily more secure than > > a suid script. > > My statement is that setuid scripts are, by definition, not safe. > There is nothing the person writing the script can do to make > the script safe. > > This is not true about setuid executables. It is at least possible > to make a completely safe setuid executable -- and there are some > desirable features which can only be implemented via setuid > executables. Sure, you can get rid of all setuid executables, > but the system you end up with will be much less functional. > > I will agree that my original statement, which did imply that all > setuid executables were somehow safe, was rather misleading. I > have already admitted that, and given a better wording. However, > it is pretty silly for you to now go to the other extreme, and > imply that the occasional security hole in a setuid executable > makes executables just as scary as scripts. A setuid script *is* > a security hole. A setuid executable *may be* a security hole. > This is an important distinction. Let's not lose that distinction > while correcting my original misleading statement. > > --- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Endless Kernel Traps under OS 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:02:05 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3356497C.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5j4lg1$rf6@hagen.amg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Gaehner wrote: > > Hello, > > we are using an Intel Pentium P133 with OpenStep 4.1 an get endless kernle > traps while there is only the Workspace and Terminal-App running on the > computer. > > The systems works as a netinfo-server > > Has anybody of You any suggestion what the problem is or has anybody of You > similar problems using OS 4.1 on an Intel-Machine > Hallo Martin, the network part of 4.1 turned out to be very unstable and buggy. We even observe basic command like rsh or telnet returning "bus error". Wait for 4.2 and use 4.0 in the meantime. 4.0 is much more stable conserning the network handling. (in contrast to the developer) Hope your distributor will update this 4.1 for free ! Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Endless Kernel Traps under OS 4.1 Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:33:29 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5j5tu9$sf1$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5j4lg1$rf6@hagen.amg.de> <3356497C.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> In-Reply-To: <3356497C.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> On 04/17/97, Stefan Ried wrote: >Martin Gaehner wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> we are using an Intel Pentium P133 with OpenStep 4.1 an get endless kernle >> traps while there is only the Workspace and Terminal-App running on the >> computer. >> > >> The systems works as a netinfo-server >> >> Has anybody of You any suggestion what the problem is or has anybody of You >> similar problems using OS 4.1 on an Intel-Machine >> > > >Hallo Martin, > > >the network part of 4.1 turned out to be very unstable and buggy. We >even observe basic command like rsh or telnet returning "bus error". >Wait for 4.2 and use 4.0 in the meantime. 4.0 is much more stable >conserning the network handling. (in contrast to the developer) > >Hope your distributor will update this 4.1 for free ! > > >Stefan > This contrasts heavily with my experience. 4.1 on Intel did have some problems with lookupd, but a new copy of that fixed that problem (I think its on www.next.com someplace) I was also able to put the problem to rest before installing the updated lookupd by putting my host names into net-info explicitly. My machine serves NetInfo for a network of 3 or 4 machines, plus DNS, plus nameserver for 3 primaries and 4 secondaries, plus some WWW, plus smtp and now has typical uptimes of weeks at a shot. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: alternative nfs-server for irix6.x Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:26:31 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3353F287.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, Has anybody managed to build the public nfs-server-2.1 (or later) for irix6.x. Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
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From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: PrintManager.app: "You don't own that Print Request" Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:44:52 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5insjk$1sr@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <199704070129.VAA00842@kira.peak.org> <5iebuu$g12@usenet.rpi.edu> <x6raghni2e.fsf@zero.dimensionx.com> Ryan Watkins <vamp@vamp.org> wrote: > Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: > > > > Plus a setuid program always gives me the shivers, and I'm > > > on a standalone with little chance of being hacked at. > > > > > > Does anyone have a workaround (rather than setuid, of course)? > > > > A setuid program is not a problem. > > > > A *script* which is run setuid can be a security problem, but > > this is not a script. > > Why cant a suid program be a problem? If you suid some program > as root, and that program lets you do nasty things - regardless > of whether its a script or binary - its still a security problem. Hmm. You are right, I should have used the word "is" instead of "can be". Any program "can" be a problem, and certainly a setuid program can be a problem. However, Tim was talking as if *all* setuid programs "are" a problem. That is not true. The point I wanted to make is that just about all scripts which are setuid *are* a problem, no matter how good the logic of the script itself is. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
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WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. 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Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: NSPerformService behaves strangely Message-ID: <E9EMqp.sy@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:54:24 GMT Hi all, either this is a bug or a documentation problem. Or am I missing something here ? Since there is no documentation for NSPerformService (btw...my 4.1 release has no documentation for any AppKit functions.. Am I the only one ?) I sticked to what is inside the "Serivces" programming topics docu. According to the docu this should be possible: id pboard = [NSPasteboard pasteboardWithUniqueName]; NSArray * types = [NSArray arrayWithObject:NSStringPboardType]; [pboard declareTypes:types owner:nil]; [pboard setString:@"http://test.com/uups" forType:NSStringPboardType]; NSPerformService( @"OmniWeb/Open URL", pboard ); But while the right service gets called...it still fails after some timeout. If you use a different pboard things work: id pboard = [NSPasteboard pasteboardWithName:NSDragPboard]; Which leads to the suggestion that for "oneway" services NSPerformService returns before (!) the service provider actually has read the data from the pasteboard...because using a non volatile pasteboard does the trick. So adjust to: id pboard = [[NSPasteboard pasteboardWithUniqueName] retain]; and everything is ok. But here NSPerformService returns YES without really being successful. I personally consider this a bug since I can't retain my pasteboard...since I don't know when the service has completed so that I can savely release it again. Aloha Tomi
From: Rich@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: All writers seeking publication Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:59:15 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5k90ta$m6c@chile.earthlink.net> Now*accepting <new> and <previously published> writers for publication. We are a NEW=YORK based international literary agency with three offices: 2 in NEW=YORK and one in <FLORIDA.> <Please follow guidelines for submission:> For ALL fiction, including screenplays for TV & Movies: Send us a <brief synopsis>, the first chapter, and include a self-addressed, stamped envelope=S.A.S.E. Short Stories: Send brief synopsis, 3 pages, S.A.S.E. Poetry: Send 3 poems, S.A.S.E. For ALL nonfiction: Send us a <brief synopsis>, the first chapter, and include a S.A.S.E. Do not send complete manuscript unless invited. <WOODSIDE=INTERNATIONAL=LITERARY=AGENCY> <Thirty Three Twenty Nine 58 St.> <Wood-Side, New York> <zip: 1.1.3.7.7> <(Tel)=={718}=651=8145>
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From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NeXT Security holes & Fixes Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:33:37 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Development - Illinois State University, Bloomington-Normal, USA Message-ID: <3368EFAF.155F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just ran across this site from Ric Ford's Macintouch MacWEEK article, and it provides the following... Programs Security holes Affected NS versions Fixes http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/progs/index.html -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11--MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D--Instructional Technology Development--Illinois State University "I first saw NEXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away."-Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc CEO VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Security holes & Fixes Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:33:51 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123234.26749A-100000@kira> References: <3368EFAF.155F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3368EFAF.155F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> > I just ran across this site from Ric Ford's Macintouch MacWEEK article, > and it provides the following... > > Programs Security holes Affected NS versions Fixes > > http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/progs/index.html Yup... it's been listed on my (anemic) NeXTStep security page for over a month and a half.... A lot of handy stuff there TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> < Damned pleased with his NSFIP from Bifrost > http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
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From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Security holes & Fixes Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:48:34 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Development - Illinois State University, Bloomington-Normal, USA Message-ID: <336B963D.3F4F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <3368EFAF.155F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123234.26749A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy Luoma wrote: > > http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/progs/index.html > > Yup... it's been listed on my (anemic) NeXTStep security page for over a > month and a half.... With the slowness for SYN and POD problem fix for Open Transport, and NeXT's bad security fix track record, one would wonder what the future will hold?! More of the same? I hope not. Apple should probably address this publicly...it really doesn't look good... -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11--MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D--Instructional Technology Development--Illinois State University "I first saw NEXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away."-Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc CEO VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
From: distler@golem.ph.utexas.edu (Jacques Distler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Security holes & Fixes Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 21:55:22 -0600 Organization: Physics Department, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <distler-0305972155230001@slip-88-3.ots.utexas.edu> References: <3368EFAF.155F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123234.26749A-100000@kira> <336B963D.3F4F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In article <336B963D.3F4F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu wrote: >With the slowness for SYN and POD problem fix for Open Transport, and >NeXT's bad security fix track record, one would wonder what the future >will hold?! Ha! That's amusing. Open Transport 1.5 is supposed to be immune to the Ping 'o Death. But it was canceled. I know for certain that, at least some NeXTStep/hardware combinations are vulnerable*. So Rhapsody could even be a step backwards. Jacques Distler *Not necessarily a crash. I know at least one system will simply disconnect itself from the network. In practice, this is almost as bad, as the only way to bring up the network again is to reboot.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <25195862113623@digifix.com> Date: 4 May 1997 03:59:04 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <851862718425@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. 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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: OS 4.1: icon count in Mail.app wrong Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:37:28 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970503143424.25246A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mail.app shows that I have 2x the number of messages waiting for me... When I fetch the messages, itnever shows 0 remaining (or no nuber)... it says there is 1 ... if I quit and restart the app it goes away. Anyone else seeing this? Anyone even able to figure out what we are saying? TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> < Greatly pleased with his NSFIP from Bifrost > http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
From: Rudolf B Blazek <blazek@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Security holes & Fixes Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 10:01:35 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970504100009.22247A-100000@clunix.cl.msu.edu> References: <3368EFAF.155F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970501123234.26749A-100000@kira> <336B963D.3F4F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <distler-0305972155230001@slip-88-3.ots.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <distler-0305972155230001@slip-88-3.ots.utexas.edu> On Sat, 3 May 1997, Jacques Distler wrote: > In article <336B963D.3F4F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, > eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu wrote: > > Open Transport 1.5 is supposed to be immune to the Ping 'o Death. But it > was canceled. I know for certain that, at least some NeXTStep/hardware > combinations are vulnerable*. So Rhapsody could even be a step backwards. > OpenTransport is being reconsidered. Check out http://www.stepwise.com for the latest news. So the issue is not closed yet. Rudy.
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From: ed@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Writers/Wanted/nycAgency Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:10:18 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5kjmii$9eh@chile.earthlink.net> We are accepting new and previously published writers for publication. We are a NEWYORK based international literary agency with three offices: 2 in NEW YORK and one in FLORIDA. Please follow guidelines for submission: For all fiction, including screenplays for TV & Movies: Send us a brief synopsis, the first chapter, and include a self-addressed, stamped envelope=S.A.S.E. Short Stories: Send brief synopsis, 3 pages, S.A.S.E. Poetry: Send 3 poems, S.A.S.E. For all nonfiction: Send us a brief synopsis, the first chapter, and include a S.A.S.E. Do not send complete manuscript unless invited. WOODSIDE INTERNATIONAL LITERARY AGENCY 33-29 58 Street Woodside, New York zip: 11377 Tel: 718-651-8145
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: Hans Mulder <hansm@icgned.nl> Subject: Re: OS 4.1: icon count in Mail.app wrong Message-ID: <E9p931.276@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: Save the Dodo Foundation References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970503143424.25246A-100000@kira> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:33:01 GMT Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: >Mail.app shows that I have 2x the number of messages waiting for me... >When I fetch the messages, itnever shows 0 remaining (or no nuber)... it >says there is 1 ... if I quit and restart the app it goes away. >Anyone else seeing this? Anyone even able to figure out what we are >saying? I have the same problem on my home machine; on my work machine the count is correct. My home machine is a pentium box, my work machine is an mc68040; both run OpenStep 4.1. -- HansM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: Hans Mulder <hansm@icgned.nl> Subject: Re: OS 4.1: icon count in Mail.app wrong Message-ID: <E9swyn.B22@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: Save the Dodo Foundation References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970503143424.25246A-100000@kira> <E9p931.276@icgned.nl> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970505192048.23893A-100000@kira> Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:01:35 GMT Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: >Are your mail preferences the same? No. >I've heard this is a bug with manual retrieval of mail Yes: setting 'retrieve" to "automatic" solved the problem. Thanks, -- HansM
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Mail.app 4.1: NXColorList could not parse color list Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:01:39 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970507190018.5951A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Everytime I start Mail.app I get this message: May 7 16:17:53 peace Mail[743]: NXColorList could not parse color list file /NextLibrary/Colors/System.clr/System.clr Clues as to why and/or how to fix? TjL
From: yucheng@math.arizona.edu (Yuwen Cheng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: OS 4.1: icon count in Mail.app wrong Date: 6 May 1997 09:07:50 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Message-ID: <5kmsd6$k9q$1@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970503143424.25246A-100000@kira> Cc: luomat@peak.org If I fetch the mails manually, I see the same problem as you described. However, the count is correct if I use Mail.app to retrive mails automatically. BTW, it is on 4.1 FIP. In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970503143424.25246A-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > > Mail.app shows that I have 2x the number of messages waiting for me... > > When I fetch the messages, itnever shows 0 remaining (or no nuber)... it > says there is 1 ... if I quit and restart the app it goes away. > > Anyone else seeing this? Anyone even able to figure out what we are > saying? > > TjL > > > -- Best Regards Yuwen Cheng
From: distler@golem.ph.utexas.edu (Jacques Distler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: duplex printing bug Date: 9 May 1997 19:55:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5kvvga$ae6$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> According to NeXTanswers 1831, there is a bug in NS 3.3 which prevents printing to an HP LaserJet 4Si-MX in duplex mode. Does anyone know if this bug has been fixed in a later release of OpensStep? Jacques Distler
From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: A GUARANTEED MONEY MAKER!! Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 04:54:57 PDT Organization: Internet Communications Inc. Message-ID: <5l19mr$sck$4722@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> E-Mail Your Way To Riches! Dear Friend, We all know E-mail is here to stay. It's fun, easy and exciting! Would you be interested if we could show you a way to make well over $1,000 per week doing it? This is not a joke. You may have seen many people trying to tell you that you can make money by joining this or that scheme! Guess what, you decide to go for it and then you get nothing but frustration and disappointment! We are here to take your frustration and disappointment into an Electrifying Adventure! We have been marketing on-line for almost 2 years now! We have never spent one red penny on advertising and made nothing but profits. We can show you how to make money every day of the year. Many people may think this is untrue or it just can't be done. 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From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 04:54:57 PDT Message-ID: <cancel.5l19mr$sck$4722@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <5l19mr$sck$4722@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Control: cancel <5l19mr$sck$4722@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Sat May 10 15:07:31 1997 Original subject was: A GUARANTEED MONEY MAKER!!
From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Make Money With Your Computer! Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 17:09:45 PDT Organization: Internet Communications Inc. Message-ID: <5l2kod$ipl$4735@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> E-Mail Your Way To Riches! Dear Friend, We all know E-mail is here to stay. It's fun, easy and exciting! Would you be interested if we could show you a way to make well over $1,000 per week doing it? This is not a joke. You may have seen many people trying to tell you that you can make money by joining this or that scheme! Guess what, you decide to go for it and then you get nothing but frustration and disappointment! We are here to take your frustration and disappointment into an Electrifying Adventure! We have been marketing on-line for almost 2 years now! We have never spent one red penny on advertising and made nothing but profits. We can show you how to make money every day of the year. Many people may think this is untrue or it just can't be done. We are here to tell you that it is absolutely not true. The biggest mistake people make about marketing on-line is that they sit and wait for people to contact them. You will never make it if this is your approach and we'll tell you why. There are over 60 MILLION people on-line right now, and seven new people logging on every minute of the day world-wide and everyone is offering something. So how do you get a potential client or a new customer before your competition does? The answer is simply " Creative E-mailing" and it WORKS! I'll tell you why. You're taking your product, service or idea directly to the market instead of waiting for the market to come to you! Here are a few testimonials we'd like to share with you ( They're all 100% TRUE! ): Internet Communications, my wife and I owe you so much. We ordered your Creative E-mail System and within the first week we received over $1,150 in orders for my Internet Consulting business! --Charles -- California I have bought two so-called E-mail programs that cost me over $600.00 when I received them. They were extremely difficult to operate and it took me about two weeks to figure them out. Once I did, they were so time consuming it just wasn't worth my time. When I received your course it took me about four minutes to install and I was in business! Within the first 24 hours of my first E-mailing I received over $580.00 in sales over the phone. That first week I grossed over $2,000.00! I really can't believe how easy you made this, anyone can do it! Thanks! --Dennis -- Illinios Hello, I'm a divorced mother of two children. I wanted to thank you for helping me out. This was my first time buying anything on the Internet. I was skeptical at first but I figured I'd take a chance. This was the best chance I've ever took! My part-time business is now a full-time home-business, thanks to your Creative E-mail System. I had to hire my two family members to help me out! This is GREAT, thanks so much! I'd recommend this for anyone! --Ellen -- Florida You may have seen other people offering products "E-mail Programs, E-mail Addresses, Extractors, Etc." The vast majority of these products are very over-priced and very difficult to even use. None of them even supply you with current, up-to-date, FRESH & RESPONSIVE E-mail addresses! Our Creative E-mail System puts everything into one package to make your profits soar immediately! Even if you do not have a product or service to offer, we are going to give you over 500 how-to reports that you will have full reprint rights to! What makes our course different from anything else being offered anywhere is that we're dedicated to your success! We do not succeed unless you succeed! All of our E-mail Address Databases are created in house. We do not trade our databases with anyone because people are selling extremely bad lists on the Internet. Many of other people's databases are filled with duplicate addresses and many of them are undeliverable. We keep our own database so we know exactly what we have and we keep nothing but the best. There's no other way. We believe in producing high quality products that should be priced reasonably for your success! Read on to see the special bonuses you will receive. ******** SPECIAL 10 DAY BONUS ******** If you order within the next 10 days we will include: 1) 500 How-To Reports ( You may resell these at any price ) 2) Your Personal Complete Guide To The Internet -- This 175 page e-book covers every single aspect of the internet. You will never have to buy another internet book! When you complete this book, you will know more about the internet than 90% of the people online right now. 3) When you purchase our 8 MILLION SUPER responsive E-mail list we will include Mega-Mailer. It sends 250,000 E-mails per hour! All other orders will receive Pegasus Mail. It mails about 30,000 per hour. Here's how to get the Creative E-Mail System: All orders are delivered on CD-ROM or 100mb Zip Disk ( Iomega ). ============> E-Mail Databases <================ 2 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $ 99.95 4 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $179.95 6 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $249.95 8 Million FRESH E-mail Addresses only $299.95 You will be sending your Marketing Letter to 2, 4, 6 or 8 MILLION People! To mail to 2 MILLION People by U.S. Mail at $.32 per stamp would cost $640,000.00, not including envelopes or paper! The price of 2 MILLION E-mail Addresses isn't even a fraction of the cost. And the great thing is that if you have 10 products, you can E-mail to your list as many times as you want to! Your profits will never stop soaring! Don't pay someone else to send your advertisement out, do it yourself and save big money! The average cost right now to send your ad one time to ONE MILLION people is $1,400.00. You can send it 100 times to EIGHT MILLION people for only $299.95 and that includes Mega-Mailer that sends 250,000 per hour! ===============> Order Form <=============== Yes, Internet Communications Inc., I wish to take you up on your SPECIAL 10 DAY OFFER FOR YOUR CREATIVE E-MAIL SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE TWO SPECIAL BONUSES: "Complete Internet Guide Book" and "500 How-To-Reports". I understand I have to completely fill out the order form so you can fulfill my order. Name:______________________________________ Address:____________________________________ City:_______________________________________ State:_______________________________________ Zip Code:____________________________________ Country:____________________________________ E-mail Address:_______________________________ Phone Number:_______________________________ I wish to pay by: ( Check One ) Check:____ Money Order:_____ ( Check One ) 2 Million______ 4 Million______ 6 Million______ 8 Million_______ *Remember the 8 MILLION Includes Mega-Mailer! Zip Disk:______ CD-ROM:______Total:_______________ Pegasus Mail ( WIN 3.1 ) ( WIN 95 ) ( MAC ) (Circle One ) ============================================================= We Accept Checks By Fax Simply Tape Your Check Here With The Above Order Form And Fax It To: 1-216-895-1930 If you have any questions please call customer service at: 1-216-895-1919 Fax: 1-216-895-1930 Phone: 1-216-895-1919 ============================================================= Make check or money order payable to: Internet Communications Mail check or Money Order to: Internet Communications 30628 Detroit Ave. Suite 295 Westlake, Ohio 44145 The entire contents of this message are copyrighted and protected by both United States copyright laws and international treaty provisions. None of the text in this message may ever be reproduced, in original or modified form, for commercial purposes, without express written permission by Internet Communications Inc.. 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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <851862718425@digifix.com> Date: 11 May 1997 03:58:28 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <8856863323226@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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From: inet97@ameritech.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5l2kod$ipl$4735@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Control: cancel <5l2kod$ipl$4735@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:35:34 +1 Organization: Internet Communications Inc. Message-ID: <cancel.5l2kod$ipl$4735@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> References: <5l2kod$ipl$4735@nntp0.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "InternetCommunicationsInc" or "summary of auto-cancellations" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: Make Money With Your Computer!.
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: duplex printing bug Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:51:42 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3376153E.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5kvvga$ae6$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacques Distler wrote: > > According to NeXTanswers 1831, there is a bug in NS 3.3 which prevents > printing to an HP LaserJet 4Si-MX in duplex mode. Does anyone know if this > bug has been fixed in a later release of OpensStep? > > Jacques Distler Try this: ftp://ftp.cs.TU-Berlin.DE/pub/NeXT/misc/NEXTTOYOU/96.1-Fruehjahr/ hope it work stefan -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: distler@golem.ph.utexas.edu (Jacques Distler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: duplex printing bug Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:10:31 -0600 Organization: Physics Department, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <distler-1105972210310001@slip-37-4.ots.utexas.edu> References: <5kvvga$ae6$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3376153E.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> In article <3376153E.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de>, Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> wrote: >> According to NeXTanswers 1831, there is a bug in NS 3.3 which prevents >> printing to an HP LaserJet 4Si-MX in duplex mode. Does anyone know if this >> bug has been fixed in a later release of OpensStep? >Try this: > >ftp://ftp.cs.TU-Berlin.DE/pub/NeXT/misc/NEXTTOYOU/96.1-Fruehjahr/ > >hope it work Hmmm. . . . I'll try the modified ppd file out. But I am not optimistic. Looking at it, all I can see is that it makes duplex printing the default instead of simplex printing. I already tried doing that, to no avail. Has anyone actually gotten this to work on a LaserJet 4Si? Jacques
From: Grant Passmore<skaboy@usa.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Infusion Subject: Infusion BBS Software Message-ID: <33765d9d.0@data.wt.net> Date: 12 May 97 00:00:29 GMT I just thought I'd let everyone know.... There is finally a BBS Software with all of the great features of OBV/2 and Iniquity, but without the bugs and bad support. Infusion BBS Software is a new generation in BBS Software, modeled after OBV/2 and Iniquity with everything that the sysop can imagine..and more. Some basic features are: o Multi-node upto 255 concurrent users o Light-bar support [arrow keys] o Requires NO Fossil Driver [selectable FOSSIL, ASYNC, and Digiboard for each node] o Online Configuration [menu editor, string editor, evemt editor, node editor, system editor, etc] o Pipe Color Codes o MCI Codes o Powerful scripting language o Internal One-Liners, Blacklist, voting booth, etc o Internal Z-Modem, X-Modem, Y-Modem, Y-modem-g [no limit to external protocols] o Internal COMM Program with internal protocols, Auto Up/DL o Great support o Basically all of the great features of OBV/2 and Iniquity combined Infusion has been picked up by fuEl [international art group], and Infusion 1.0th will be released June 10th. Come to the Infusion Home-Page at http://web.wt.net/~sparky/ibbs/ and jump into the JAVA Based Chatroom, or come to the ANNEX, the official Infusion IRC Server [irc.annex.net] #infusion / #bbs send the author skaboy101 [Grant Passmore] E-mail at skaboy@usa.net -lata skaboy101
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <33765d9d.0@data.wt.net> Date: 13 May 1997 06:25:56 GMT Control: cancel <33765d9d.0@data.wt.net> Message-ID: <cancel.33765d9d.0@data.wt.net> Sender: Grant Passmore<skaboy@usa.net> Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: stryker@montana.edu (Christian Stryker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Strange ND System Problems Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:38:22 -0700 Organization: Montana State University Message-ID: <stryker-1305971638220001@news.montana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I've owned a NeXTdimension system for the past 5 years and have been quite happy with it. I recently purchased a second ND system and have been experiencing some strange problems that I'd like to solve. The problems are: Columns of files in the browser view sometimes change to all black NeXTTV camera icon sometimes refuses to freeze a video image NeXTTV palette sometimes changes to all black Rare but real system freezes while Backspace screensaver is running Rare strange boots (system will fail to display a login window and require a reboot) None of these problems has ever manifested itself on my earlier system and I'm having trouble tracking down exactly what might be causing these problems--the dimension board, software, disk problems, RAM malfunctions, etc. System Details: 25MHz cube 64MB RAM NeXTdimension board with 32MB VRAM 400MB Internal HD 2GB External HD OpenStep 4.0 Developer Has anyone heard of or experienced similar problems? Thanks. -Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr. Christian Stryker || Burns Telecommunications Center | | Educational Technologist || Montana State University | | 406-994-4660 (voice) || 128-I EPS Building | | 406-994-7856 (fax) || Bozeman, MT 59717-3860 | | stryker@montana.edu || http://www.montana.edu/btc | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Mail.app 4.1: NXColorList could not parse color list Date: 15 May 1997 00:49:08 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <5ldmi4$t4m$1@news2.apple.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970507190018.5951A-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes > > Everytime I start Mail.app I get this message: > > May 7 16:17:53 peace Mail[743]: NXColorList could not parse color list > file /NextLibrary/Colors/System.clr/System.clr > > Clues as to why and/or how to fix? This is a known bug in 4.1, but it doesn't cause any problems. You can safely ignore it. It's fixed in OPENSTEP 4.2. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: duplex printing bug Date: 15 May 1997 04:24:23 GMT Organization: Frankfurt University Computing Center Message-ID: <5le35n$3la@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <5kvvga$ae6$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3376153E.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <distler-1105972210310001@slip-37-4.ots.utexas.edu> distler@golem.ph.utexas.edu (Jacques Distler) wrote: > >ftp://ftp.cs.TU-Berlin.DE/pub/NeXT/misc/NEXTTOYOU/96.1-Fruehjahr/ > > > >hope it work > > Hmmm. . . . I'll try the modified ppd file out. But I am not optimistic. > > Looking at it, all I can see is that it makes duplex printing the default > instead of simplex printing. I already tried doing that, to no avail. No, it does much more than that. > Has anyone actually gotten this to work on a LaserJet 4Si? Yes. Works flawlessly. Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine _____________________________________________________________________
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: duplex printing bug Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:17:19 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <337AB87F.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5kvvga$ae6$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3376153E.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <distler-1105972210310001@slip-37-4.ots.utexas.edu> <5le35n$3la@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uli Zappe wrote: > > distler@golem.ph.utexas.edu (Jacques Distler) wrote: > > >ftp://ftp.cs.TU-Berlin.DE/pub/NeXT/misc/NEXTTOYOU/96.1-Fruehjahr/ > > > > > >hope it work > > > > Hmmm. . . . I'll try the modified ppd file out. But I am not optimistic. > > > > Looking at it, all I can see is that it makes duplex printing the default > > instead of simplex printing. I already tried doing that, to no avail. > > No, it does much more than that. > > > Has anyone actually gotten this to work on a LaserJet 4Si? > > Yes. Works flawlessly. > Yes finally I have my HP LJ 5SIMX working with simplex/duplex due to NeXT's Printpanel. At my side the fault was quite simple and related to the principal handling of ppd files. I had introduced the Printer, connected via HP JetDirect IP Interface, by a flat printcap entry, just like on any other unix but in netinfo instead of /etc/printcap. So the NeXT includes the options from ppd but did not really expand it, as this is done by the finally printing host. (NeXT is assuming that this is a NeXT again.) I had just to replace the printcap entry by a reasonable Entry made by PrintManager.app. There one could chooce "HP JetDirect" as Communication (besided Parallel and Seriell). Now every NeXT Station printing to the Printer IP Interface really expands all information introduced by ppd file(s). Thanks to David Andrew Knight <david@onestep.co.uk> for very competent informations on ppd and new versions of the ppd files. Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: benh@hotmail.com (Future-NET) Subject: Spy people on the Net Message-ID: <337b9600.3501523@bang-olufsen.dk> Sender: nobody@firewall.bang-olufsen.dk Organization: Future-NET Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:36:21 GMT I present here my two most recent software which I hope they interest you. they are progammed by Turbo C++ and run under Windows(3.11 and 95). here is a short description of these two software. 1-Robot Spy 1.0 at my knowledge, this software is the first and the unique of its kind. This software allow you to spy your friends who are on the net at the same time of you, it permits to see exactly what they do on their screen, pixel by pixel, anywhere, in the world, at the condition they are connected to the internet. how does-it work? it’s simple, you send a file to the person you want to spy telling to him it’s a game or everythings else, the objectif is this person run the file. from this time, a batch file is installed on his computor, and everytime this person use internet, this batch connects him secretly on our server. on your side, you , after the installation of the other part of the software every time you want, you can connect on our server with your password and have the list of all the persons who received your batch and who are connected at this time. the only thing you have to do is to click on the name of the person you want to spy. a window opens containing exactly the screen of the person spied, you can have ten pictures per second with 256 colors, if you switch to balck and white mode you can onbtain a real time sequence, approximatly 30 pictures by second. Robot Mailer 1.1 The message you are reading presently is sent to more then 20,000 newsgroups with this software. This program automates FreeAgent, and reach with a connection of 28,8 Kbauds 5,000 news per hours. It can also find a maximum of 50,000 e-mail adresses from internet and send a message in 4 or 5 hours. You can obtain with this sofware the most powerful tool of mass transmittion on the internet. Robot Spy 1.0..................20 US$ Robot Mailer 1.1..............20 US$ Both..................................30 US$ I’m sorry i can’t accept credit card, but you can send an international money order to: Ben Hedi Nassef 1481 Ste-Catherine est #7 Montreal, PQ, H2L-2H9 Canada Don’t forget to include your e-mail on a paper, you receice the software ordered in your e-mail the day we receive the money order.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: benh@hotmail.com (Future-NET) Message-ID: <cancel.337b9600.3501523@bang-olufsen.dk> Subject: cmsg cancel <337b9600.3501523@bang-olufsen.dk> Control: cancel <337b9600.3501523@bang-olufsen.dk> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:36:21 GMT Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Fri May 16 12:05:29 1997 Original subject was: Spy people on the Net
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From: ilk@mindspring.com (Chris Mullins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NEXT CUBE FOR SALE Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:26:29 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <337cb4da.20170022@news.mindspring.com> NEXT CUBE FOR SALE I have a NeXt cube with one system board for sale. It comes with: 2 17” Megapixel Monitors 1 N2000 Laser Printer Mouse and Keyboard. Cost is $499 Plus Shipping. I am not familiar with NeXt and can not tell you much about it, It has the NeXt mach OS and seems to have software still on it. I have the monitor cable (special ordered) but do not have a cable for the printer. All items are in excellent condition. It was being used at GaTech before I bought it. If you have any questions please call me at 770.420.5202 -Chris Mullins I also have 19” Fixed Scan Monitors for sale. Made by Hitachi: they come with a 128 Bit PCI Accelerator with 2.26 MB of ram. I am selling these at $549 plus shipping.
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <8856863323226@digifix.com> Date: 18 May 1997 03:57:15 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <16065863928021@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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From: distler@golem.ph.utexas.edu (Jacques Distler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Duplex printing bug (one mo' time) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:54:47 -0600 Organization: Physics Department, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <distler-2005972254480001@slip-128-17.ots.utexas.edu> In article <3376153E.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de>, Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> wrote: >> . . . there is a bug in NS 3.3 which prevents >> printing to an HP LaserJet 4Si-MX in duplex mode. . . . > >Try this: > >ftp://ftp.cs.TU-Berlin.DE/pub/NeXT/misc/NEXTTOYOU/96.1-Fruehjahr/ > >hope it work And uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: >> Has anyone actually gotten this to work on a LaserJet 4Si? > >Yes. Works flawlessly. Well, it didn't work for me. More accurately, it worked *once* (after rebooting the machine), but all the previous and subsequent print jobs have come out single-sided, as before. After much mucking around, I have run out of ideas. Is there a PPD file specifically for the 4Si/MX ? (The ones at the above URL are for the 4plus.) Or is there a small animal I am supposed to sacrifice to get this to work? Jacques Distler
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From: beig@trefle.ens.fr (Jacques Beigbeder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: netstat and Yellow Pages Date: 21 May 1997 17:38:55 GMT Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure, Paris, France Message-ID: <5lvbvf$ora$1@nef.ens.fr> Keywords: netstat, YP I have several boxes in Nextstep 3.3. I installed the last patch from ftp.next.com (3.3Intel68kPatch.pkg.tar). Here follows a session: tulipe:1# ypwhich acacia-gw tulipe:2# netstat ^Ctulipe:3# ypwhich ^Ctulipe:4# ps -augxnww | grep yp 0 105 0.0 1.6 1.57M 264K ? SW 0:00 (ypbind) 0 299 0.0 1.3 1.66M 208K p0 S 0:00 grep yp tulipe:5# So it happens that the YP deamin fails when netstat command is run. This workstation is configured to use YP for all requests, and not Netinfo. Any explanation? I prefer to get an answer by e-mail. -- Jacques Beigbeder | Internet: beig@ens.fr Service de Prestations Informatiques | http://www.spi.ens.fr Ecole normale superieure | 45 rue d'Ulm | Tel : 01 44 32 37 96 F75230 Paris Cedex 05 | Fax : 01 44 32 20 80
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <16065863928021@digifix.com> Date: 25 May 1997 03:57:50 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <12797864532834@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Unknown error code 9001 in NXReportError Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:11:42 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970528180753.11677I-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mail.app fails to open several mailboxes.... I get the above error message: May 28 18:23:27 peace Mail[529]: Unknown error code 9001 in NXReportError Has anyone ever seen this? Would anyone with 4.2/mach (intel) be willing to help me test this out? Thanks TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NS/OS users: My 'other sites' page has been entirely reworked
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From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Unknown error code 9001 in NXReportError Date: 30 May 1997 12:07:54 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <5mmfuq$j95$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970528180753.11677I-100000@kira> >May 28 18:23:27 peace Mail[529]: Unknown error code 9001 in NXReportError hi, as far as i remember this exception is risen from inside the indexing kit. this may mean that some ixstore inside the mailbox folder is corrupted. however: youst a guess, daniel
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Unknown error code 9001 in NXReportError Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:04:23 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970530060030.20589B-100000@kira> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970528180753.11677I-100000@kira> <5mmfuq$j95$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Daniel Boehringer <boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> In-Reply-To: <5mmfuq$j95$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> > as far as i remember this exception is risen from inside the indexing kit. > this may mean that some ixstore inside the mailbox folder is corrupted. Thanks for the reply.... what would be ixstore'd inside the mailbox? I assume the table_of_contents... especially because this problem seems to temp go away if I remove the toc.... however it then gets corrupted again.... What would cause the toc to get corrupted like that again & again (without any noticable changes... no new mail has been saved to the mbox...) Thanks TjL
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Unknown error code 9001 in NXReportError Date: 30 May 1997 20:45:20 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5mne90$lbu$1@news.digifix.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970528180753.11677I-100000@kira> <5mmfuq$j95$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970530060030.20589B-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970530060030.20589B-100000@kira> On 05/30/97, Timothy Luoma wrote: > > >> as far as i remember this exception is risen from inside the indexing kit. >> this may mean that some ixstore inside the mailbox folder is corrupted. > >Thanks for the reply.... > >what would be ixstore'd inside the mailbox? > > >I assume the table_of_contents... especially because this problem seems to >temp go away if I remove the toc.... however it then gets corrupted >again.... > If you are running the Enhanced Mail box bundle, it does indexing... try turning it off. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <12797864532834@digifix.com> Date: 1 Jun 1997 03:57:29 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <26791865137630@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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From: mbkomor@remarque.berkeley.edu (m.b.komor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Weird Failure at Boot -- Need help! Date: 4 Jun 1997 22:52:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5n4rj1$ib9@agate.berkeley.edu> Please Cc: all replies to <jrudd@cygnus.com>. This morning my mon NeXTslab came up just fine, let me PPP in just fine, using Gatekeeper, and then experienced a kernel panic (about its 6th, since I've had it --about 4 months) and produced the following on reboot: Booting from SCSI target 4 lun 0 trap 5 at pc 0x4380b06, sr 0x2700 d0: 0x2000 a0: 0x4387544 d1: 0x2 a1: 0x87ffb72 d2: 0x0 a2: 0x43972c0 d3: 0x200f a3: 0x438a03c d4: 0x2 a4: 0x43972c0 d5: 0x0 a5: 0x87ff62e d6: 0x8 a6: 0x43bbf84 d7: 0x0 a7: 0x43bbf64 And there it dies. Reseating the harddrive scsi cable (at both ends), the ROM, the memory cards, *nothing* has changed this bootup failure (same message, every time). I'm not a NeXT (or any other kind of hardware) geek. John Carmack donated this machine to me four months ago because he didn't want to see it go to waste-- it's the machine he wrote the original DOOM code on, so I'd really hate for it to die like this ('sides, there's a bunch of things on it that I *need* --it's also the only machine I have that's capable of running PPP and a graphical browser at the same time ;) ). Can anybody help me get this fixed? *ThanQ!* Best, _*____* _////___ Meriday Beth & Velcro ~<:========--- & Majyk! >'=========^--- ~*~~~~* ~/~\~~>~> ---- -& little Zaphod! | | | | click here for in-lined image. ---- mbkomor@remarque.berkeley.edu | @goonsquad.spies.com & gneet@toys.fubarsys.com indigo@samsara.circus.com & umm@deeptht.armory.com & natter@nando.yak.net ambasadr@kosh.punk.net & little@reddragon.empire.net & hi@callamerica.net
From: msb@plexare.com (Michael S. Barthelemy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Bug in [NSPageLayout pageLayout] Date: 5 Jun 1997 19:23:40 GMT Organization: Filoli Information Systems Message-ID: <5n73ns$nnf$1@news.filoli.com> [NSPageLayout pageLayout] always gives you a new NSPageLayout object contrary to the documentation. Example: Create a new application project in ProjectBuilder Complile the application Run the application in gdb Break the application after it launches (hit pause button) type: "po [NSPageLayout pageLayout]" repeat notice that the id pointers for the object have changed Workaround: Subclass or categorize NSPageLayout and override pageLayout to do the sensible thing.
From: aslfjasd;lj@;alsdjflask;j.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Mass Mailer Software Date: 5 Jun 1997 20:09:05 GMT Organization: Sprint Internet Passport Message-ID: <5n76d1$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Mailloop v3.0 is an industrial strength bulk mailer. Mailloop v3.0 is a bulk mailing program for the internet. It can take a single message and broadcast it to either a listing of e-mail addresses or to a listing of newsgroups. Creates custom newsgroup lists by filtering NNTP servers. Creates custom e-mail lists by extracting them from newsgroups. Can also extract e-mail addresses or newsgroup names from other protocols. Built-in NNTP, SMTP, POP, FTP, HTTP, EXEC, CGI, WHOIS and FINGER clients. Anti-cancelbot feature. Automatically processes remove requests. Includes extensive on-line help. The most powerful bulk mailer available. Requires Windows 95 or NT 3.51+ and internet access. The "Program" Mailloop is only available in English. For more info goto: http://205.199.4.219 http://205.199.4.219 Using it is easy: 1) Create a message ( http://205.199.4.219/editor.htm ) ...by using the pull down menus or ...by using any editor 2) Create a newsgroups list ( http://205.199.4.219/news3.htm ) ...by filtering an NNTP server or ...by importing from any text file or ...by manually creating with any editor or ...by extracting from any FTP file or ...by extracting from any HTTP file 3) Create an e-mail list ( http://205.199.4.219/em3.htm ) ...by extracting from newsgroups or ...by importing from any text file or ...by manually creating with any editor or ...by extracting from a WHOIS response or ...by extracting from a fingering response or ...by extracting from a UNIX response or ...by extracting from any FTP file or ...by extracting from any HTTP file or 4) Broadcast the message ...to the e-mail list or ( http://205.199.4.219/embc.htm ) ...to the newsgroup list ( http://205.199.4.219/ngbc.htm ) 5) Then process the remove requests ...by using the mailbox processor ( http://205.199.4.219/pop.htm ) 6) If you want you can use the Newsletter Sever ...The Newsletter Sever will allow you to have an topic-specific newsletter that other can subscribe and unsubscribe to. ...Customizing this server response files ( http://205.199.4.219/response.htm ) ...Creating a new newsletter ( http://205.199.4.219/create.htm ) ...Creating and Updating a newsletter the actual newsletter ( http://205.199.4.219/update.htm ) For more info visit http://205.199.4.219 http://205.199.4.219
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5n76d1$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Date: 5 Jun 1997 21:14:01 GMT Control: cancel <5n76d1$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5n76d1$v@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Sender: aslfjasd;lj@;alsdjflask;j.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: MAILLOOP Original Subject: Mass Mailer Software Is this cancel message showing up on an email list? If so, please see: http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/news_gateway.html
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: sndplay causes kernel panic on 3.2 and 4.1 Date: 6 Jun 1997 14:32:15 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5n971f$hvl$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <EBCxxz.4J9@euler.han.de> Cc: js@euler.han.de In <EBCxxz.4J9@euler.han.de> Juergen Sell wrote: > Hi, > > I have an admittedly large sound file (~730MB) > which after ~20 minutes causes a kernel panic when played via sndplay on 3.2N > or 4.1N. > Accessing the file via NFS from the other machine does not change things. > Copying the file onto another disk does not change things. > It is always the same kernel panic. > > If the sound file was corrupted I would accept sndplay to abort o whatever > appropriate but not a kernel panic with sndplay being an ordinary executable > (no suid root flags here). > > sndinfo yields: > Filename: /General/File.snd > Size: 760820256 bytes, 190205064 samples, 4313.040 seconds > Format: 16 bit linear > SamplingRate: 44100.000 Hz > Channels: 2 > > This is on black hardware. Same is true for friend's 4.1 black. > The panic panel talks about 'MMU invalid descriptor during table walk'. > Yes, I know this problem, it happens on Intel too but with much smaller sounds (>16 MBytes). I got around this by writing my own sndplay functions that queues up the sound in little 64 kByte chunks. MMP2.app uses this trick. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: sndplay causes kernel panic on 3.2 and 4.1 Message-ID: <EBD9HE.5sJ@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <5n971f$hvl$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:17:37 GMT Frank M. Siegert writes > Yes, I know this problem, it happens on Intel too but with much smaller > sounds (>16 MBytes). > > I got around this by writing my own sndplay functions that queues up the > sound in little 64 kByte chunks. MMP2.app uses this trick. > I do not fully understand this comment. To my knowledge sndplay does _not_ read the entire snd-file before playing it -Resound.app and Soundeditor.app try that. Here's more info on when running sndplay: euler: ~ [2] > ps aux|grep sndplay js 7452 0.0 0.9 728M 304K p1 S 0:00 sndplay /General/File.snd euler: ~ [3] > ll /private/vm -rw------t 1 root wheel 134217728 Jun 6 19:14 swapfile -rw------t 1 root wheel 6119424 Jun 6 19:14 swapfile.front So sndplay does at least not allocate 728M of memory, right? Maybe this is different on 4.1? Different on Intel again? Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: sndplay causes kernel panic on 3.2 and 4.1 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:06:59 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8na_MX200UhB02FoJ1@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5n971f$hvl$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <EBD9HE.5sJ@euler.han.de> In-Reply-To: <EBD9HE.5sJ@euler.han.de> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 6-Jun-97 Re: sndplay causes kernel p.. by Juergen Sell@euler.han.d > Here's more info on when running sndplay: > euler: ~ [2] > ps aux|grep sndplay > js 7452 0.0 0.9 728M 304K p1 S 0:00 sndplay /General/File.snd [ ... ] > So sndplay does at least not allocate 728M of memory, right? > Maybe this is different on 4.1? Different on Intel again? Presumably, sndplay tries to mmap() the sound file into the process' address space, which is why the VSIZE is so large. It's probably also why the program chokes, although it certainly shouldn't crash the machine.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: sndplay causes kernel panic on 3.2 and 4.1 AND ON 3.0 Message-ID: <EBEKu7.92L@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <EBD9HE.5sJ@euler.han.de> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:20:31 GMT Another bit of information: my system just paniced again after ~37min of playing that questionable soundfile when using sndplay from 3.0. The machine running 4.1. What was the last version of snd* using DSP? And could these simply be copied to a newer OS installation or would twiddling with libraries be required? Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
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From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: sndplay causes kernel panic on 3.2 and 4.1 Date: 8 Jun 1997 10:56:34 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5ne352$m9r$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5n971f$hvl$1@orista.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <EBD9HE.5sJ@euler.han.de> Cc: js@euler.han.de In <EBD9HE.5sJ@euler.han.de> Juergen Sell wrote: > Frank M. Siegert writes > > Yes, I know this problem, it happens on Intel too but with much smaller > > sounds (>16 MBytes). > > > > I got around this by writing my own sndplay functions that queues up the > > sound in little 64 kByte chunks. MMP2.app uses this trick. > > > I do not fully understand this comment. To my knowledge sndplay does _not_ read > the entire snd-file before playing it -Resound.app and Soundeditor.app try > that. > No, sndplay maps the file into the process address space but this does not work for larger sound files (don't ask me why, maybe some tables are getting to large). I ran into the same problem when I was downsampling 48 kHz recorded digital sounds from DAT to CD (44.1 kHz) format. The downsampling program (can't remember the name, it is the one mentioned in the NeXT release notes) mmaps the complete sound file and failed miserably on everything larger than a few 10 minutes. So I 'ported' rateconv-1.5 which runs as filter in limited memory space and hacked my own queueing sound routines. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <26791865137630@digifix.com> Date: 8 Jun 1997 03:57:17 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <14012865742421@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: dnelson@slip.net (Dru Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Openstep Intel/Mach tips page Date: 8 Jun 1997 04:05:27 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5ne3ln$jdp@slip.net> I have made a web page that has some tips for dealing with some of the Openstep install issues. You can get to it here: http://www.slip.net/~dnelson/openstep.html Basically, it describes some of the problems I have had and some of the solutions. contact me here: dnelson@slip.net
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5ndqnl$nm$1157@news.internetmci.com> Date: 8 Jun 1997 16:51:29 GMT Control: cancel <5ndqnl$nm$1157@news.internetmci.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5ndqnl$nm$1157@news.internetmci.com> Sender: Photorep45@ibm.net Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: shess@shell.one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Initializing EIDE partitions. Date: 09 Jun 1997 13:47:34 -0400 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Sender: shess@shell.one.net Message-ID: <veewwo3fz2h.fsf@shell.one.net> References: <vee910nrdhr.fsf@shell.one.net> In-reply-to: shess@shell.one.net's message of 06 Jun 1997 10:51:28 -0400 In article <vee910nrdhr.fsf@shell.one.net>, shess@shell.one.net (Scott Hess) writes: I recently added a 3.1 EIDE drive to my Intel PC running NeXTSTEP. ... now I found that "disk -i /dev/rhd0a" causes a system panic. It first displays enough to indicate that it _is_ getting the disk name and partition size right. Then it says something about "hdform doesn't exist yet..." And I've been unable to figure out how it was that I originally accomplished the trick - though I do remember I had a number of system panics before hitting on the right command. Well, I managed to get through this. For unknown reason, the fdisk partitioning information wasn't being understood by NeXTSTEP. I rebooted to Linux, rewrote the partition table from Linux fdisk, and then NeXTSTEP was able to format the appropriate partition just fine. Has anyone noticed that NeXTSTEP fdisk gets confused by 3.1G EIDE disks? It reports: No partitions in use Unused Blocks Start Size ------------------------------- Free Space 0 2049 It is fully capable of initializing a NeXTSTEP FDISK partition created from some other fdisk program, it just doesn't seem to handle them itself. I've never tried partitioning with NeXTSTEP fdisk and writing the partitioning info, because I figure it's most likely to lose me the last Gig of space... Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Date: 10 Jun 1997 03:23:24 GMT Organization: The PEAK FTP Archive for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Message-ID: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm having problems with CDPlayer.app (I've never used it before). It won't see the CD-ROM. When I put the CD in I see: probing for DOS probing for CDROM probing for mac probing for cdaudio Jun 8 17:06:01 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer and the CD is ejected Running it under gdb showed this: GDB 4.14 (NEXTSTEP 4.0 --target i386), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc... Reading symbols from /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libNeXT_s.C.shlib...done. Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib...done. (gdb) run Starting program: /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 2 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 3 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 4 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 7 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied the permissions on the app are: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 57344 Sep 10 1996 /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer* I even tried this: -rwsr-sr-x 1 root wheel 57344 Sep 10 1996 /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer* but got the same thing. Is this a software problem or a hardware problem (could it be that something isn't connected?) The CD-ROM is a Sony CDU-76... I don't even know if it is compatible with CDPlayer.app or not... any help appreciated! TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / ¬http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "The best things in life are made into inferior versions and bundled with the latest Microsoft systems" NeXT bookmarks: ¬http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html
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From: pom@imsd.uni-mainz.de (Klaus Pommerening) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Date: 10 Jun 1997 09:41:08 GMT Organization: Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet Message-ID: <5nj7fk$c52$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> References: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > It won't see the CD-ROM. When I put the CD in I see: > [...] > and the CD is ejected > Don't insert the CD. Start CDPlayer.app and insert the disk when asked. Works for me. -- Klaus Pommerening Institut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation der Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet, D-55101 Mainz, Germany PGP fingerprint: F5 03 CE E7 70 C2 8C 74 BA ED EC 60 83 3B 7C 89 http://www.Uni-Mainz.DE/~pommeren/
From: msoori@*genetics.bio-rad.com (msoori) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Monitor problems with NeXT Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:56:50 +0100 Organization: Bio-Rad Laboratories Message-ID: <msoori-1006970956500001@ms.genetics.bio-rad.com> I am new to OpenStep from the Mac... I have installed Prelude to Rapsody on an intel box with and using a generic s3 video card. It works fine on my 21" Apple multi sync monitor and another pc monitor, but it dosent work on the radius Two Page Display/21gs gray scale monitor (which is fixed resolution at 1152x870 at 75hz) I cant find any display modes on the Next that displays at this resolution. The closest one listed is 1152x864. I'd like to use the color monitor for work and keep the gray scale one hooked to the next box so I can learn about OpenStep. What gives? Please respond by e-mail. Thanks, Mahesh. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No spam for me mam! Remove * from e-mail address to reply. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Mahesh P. Sooriarachchi. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Work: msoori@*genetics.bio-rad.com | ~ ~ Personal: mahesh@*value.net | This space for rent! ~ ~ Home Page: http://value.net/~mahesh/work.html | ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: Hans Mulder <hansm@icgned.nl> Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Message-ID: <EBLuDr.F9E@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: Save the Dodo Foundation References: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:29:51 GMT luomat@peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: >I'm having problems with CDPlayer.app (I've never used it before). >It won't see the CD-ROM. When I put the CD in I see: >probing for DOS >probing for CDROM >probing for mac >probing for cdaudio >Jun 8 17:06:01 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio >cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer >and the CD is ejected I used to have that problem. Things got better after I made a link in /LocalApps pointing at /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app . I still sometimes get the ``CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer'' message; it goes away if I reboot and try again. Timing is also important: things go wrong in various ways if I insert the CD before I'm fully logged in. -- HansM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM References: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <5nj7fk$c52$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <339e4d87.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 11 Jun 97 07:02:31 GMT In article <5nj7fk$c52$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>, Klaus Pommerening <pom@imsd.uni-mainz.de> wrote: >In <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: >> It won't see the CD-ROM. When I put the CD in I see: >> [...] >> and the CD is ejected >> >Don't insert the CD. Start CDPlayer.app and insert the disk when asked. >Works for me. >-- >Klaus Pommerening >Institut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation >der Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet, D-55101 Mainz, Germany >PGP fingerprint: F5 03 CE E7 70 C2 8C 74 BA ED EC 60 83 3B 7C 89 >http://www.Uni-Mainz.DE/~pommeren/ > Well, there you go. He had the opposite experience to me. I wonder which version of the OS he was using? david --- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
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From: everest@ever.pinn.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Hard to find Cheerleader pictures Date: 12 Jun 1997 07:09:51 GMT Organization: TnB Inc Message-ID: <5no7bv$olp$67@nw001.infi.net> Hey, just thought i'd share with everyone, I found a site with loads of nude CHEERLEADERs. The address is: http://www.mid-night.com/cheer.htm --Jason-- (Sorry for the intrusion, everyone needs some short skirts in their life) P.S. They also have a few thounsand celebrities but im not into that.
From: decoy_id@no_junk_on_the.net (L e e Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Mail wierdness: incoming messages split up Date: 12 Jun 1997 08:47:16 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5nod2k$9f4$1@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Recently a strange thing has been occuring in incoming mail on a NEXTSTEP 3.3 pl1 /Intel system. Incoming messages will randomly get split up into two messages, e.g., looking in the Active.mbo/mbox file: ... From user@hostname.edu Wed Jun 11 22:35:33 1997 Return-Path: <user@hostname.edu> Received: from host1.college.edu by montana.college.edu (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA04584; Wed, 11 Jun 97 22:35:32 -1000 Received: from hostname.edu (hostname.edu [123.45.6.78]) by mail.college.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26735 for <altenber@college.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:33:08 -1000 Message-Id: <199706120833.WAA26735@mail.college.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 01:32:39 PDT From: "Altenberg, Lee" <user@hostname.edu> To: altenber@college.edu Subject: Important message This is the message. From user@hostname.edu Wed Jun 11 22:35:58 1997 Return-Path: <user@hostname.edu> Received: from host1.college.edu by montana.college.edu (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA04592; Wed, 11 Jun 97 22:35:57 -1000 Received: from hostname.edu (hostname.edu [123.45.6.78]) by mail.college.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA30556 for altenber; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:19:54 -1000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:19:54 -1000 From: user@hostname.edu Message-Id: <199706120819.WAA30556@mail.college.edu> Apparently-To: <altenber@montana.college.edu> I don't know what setting I might has set that would cause this to happen. It is sporadic. Any clues would be welcome. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100, Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenXber@mhpXcc.edu <Delete the "X"s; done to stop junk e-mail> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~Xaltenber/ <Delete the "X"> =======================================================================
From: everest@ever.pinn.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 12 Jun 1997 07:09:51 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.5no7bv$olp$67@nw001.infi.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <5no7bv$olp$67@nw001.infi.net> Control: cancel <5no7bv$olp$67@nw001.infi.net> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr. It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Thu Jun 12 13:34:10 1997 Original subject was: Hard to find Cheerleader pictures
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:40:52 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970612083942.4716C-100000@cc344191-a> References: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <5nj7fk$c52$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> <339e4d87.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: David Hill <hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <339e4d87.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> On 11 Jun 1997, David Hill wrote: > Well, there you go. He had the opposite experience to me. I wonder > which version of the OS he was using? 4.1.... starting the app first does work.... but still no sound.... I think I may have missed a wire when I hooked up the CD-ROM... it seems to be playing without problems, but no sound.... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html sed 's/End\ of\ sig/pithy\ quotation/g'
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:45:36 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970612094434.5337B-100000@cc344191-a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Klaus Pommerening <pom@imsd.uni-mainz.de> In-Reply-To: <199706121343.PAA01590@katrin.imsd.uni-mainz.de> On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Klaus Pommerening wrote: > Put the speakers in the slot in front of the CD player. If you hear the sound > then, as a next step open your computer and insert the wire between CD player > and sound card. Well that's an excellent idea I hadn't even thought of! Thanks! TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html sed 's/End\ of\ sig/pithy\ quotation/g'
From: biuort@cdgrs.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,alt.config Subject: cmsg cancel <339edeee.1@news.netzilla.net> Control: cancel <339edeee.1@news.netzilla.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:25:24 +0100 Organization: SEXZILLA.COM http://www.sexzilla.com Message-ID: <cancel.339edeee.1@news.netzilla.net> References: <339edeee.1@news.netzilla.net> EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. The Breidbart index was 23. See report "205.199.2.203/saylordesign" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: fgkrt-0.
From: dirk@object-factory.com (Dirk Olmes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Date: 10 Jun 1997 13:29:22 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <5njkri$kdg$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <5nj7fk$c52$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> pom@imsd.uni-mainz.de (Klaus Pommerening) wrote: > In <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > > It won't see the CD-ROM. When I put the CD in I see: > > [...] > > and the CD is ejected > > > Don't insert the CD. Start CDPlayer.app and insert the disk when asked. > Works for me. This doesn't work either. The first panel that pops up is the one saying that the CDRom cannot be opened. What now? -dirk --- ______________________________________________________________________ Dirk Olmes OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft fuer Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH Otto-Hahn Str. 18, 44227 Dortmund, Germany Telephon +49 (0) 231 975 137 0 Telefax +49 (0) 231 975 137 99 dirk@object-factory.com http://www.object-factory.com/ Hiroshima 45, Tschernobyl 86, Windows 95
From: zlewanto@stan.donet.com (Zdzislaw H. "Stan" Lewantowicz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Any Success w ESS1868 Sound on NS3.3? Date: 14 Jun 1997 01:43:56 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Message-ID: <5nst0s$i70$1@usenet88.supernews.com> Has anyone had success with ESS1868 PnP soundcard on NS3.3 Intel? Am running an Award Bios PnP dual boot (W95 and NS3.3) on a 166MH Pentium. The ESS1868 card works fine on W95 - the Bios reconizes it as during boot. During NS3.3 boot I observe the console messages: Jun 13 11:22:16 stan mach: PnP: Plug and Play support enabled Jun 13 11:22:16 stan mach: PnP: Plug and Play BIOS present Jun 13 11:22:16 stan mach: PnP: read port 0x20b, max csn 1 Jun 13 11:22:16 stan mach: PnP: csn 1: ESS1868 s/n 0x00000001 Jun 13 11:22:16 stan mach: ISA/EISA bus support enabled ... Jun 13 11:22:16 stan mach: ES1x88AudioDriver: Hardware not detected at port 0x220. I have checked and rechecked all of the settings, etc. I have tried the NS4.1 version of the driver. I have upgraded the EISA driver to ver 3.37. etc - and still no sound. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Stan
From: rupert@noir.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: It always pays to panic... Date: 14 Jun 1997 05:23:18 GMT Organization: Internet Connect, Inc. http://www.inc.net usenet@news.inc.net Message-ID: <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Woe is me. I've got a Color Turbo that is suddenly incapable of making it through an hour of operation without panicking. Uggh. I am infinitely perplexed as to what I did to percipitate this, but here's the rundown: - Original 250Mb drive died. No fsck, lowlevel format, etc would work. Kaput. Fine. - Installed spare Fujitsu 540 just fine. - Took time to clean & vacuum the inside of the pizza box. - Installed 3.3 from scratch. - Everything seemed ducky, even the patch install & "renetworking" of the machine. - Very intermittently, but at least once an hour the machine panics, even when idle. I get a big NMI window full of dex-hex-mess dump, and then usually the following message: "MMU invalid descriptor during table walk" Any idea what might be causing this behaviour? The machine worked flawlessly before the first HDD died... I am stumped as to where to even begin on this snipe hunt. I am not panicking yet... Hans Rupert -- Hans Rupert <rupert@noir.net> Direktor noir
From: Tony Scott<summer@laoffices.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Distributors Wanted NOW!! Date: 14 Jun 1997 15:06:57 GMT Organization: World Wide Pants Promotion Message-ID: <5nuc2h$84p$7658@cadmium.aware.nl> Hi, This is a Solicitation Email, we are looking for new TUFF'97 DISTRIBUTORS. TUFF'97 is a promotional concept for a prospect follow-up system called "Simple Track". Software designed for Windows 95, 3.11 and NT machines. (Macintosh users read the NOTE below(*)) Concept: The TUFF'97 software includes a copy of Simple Track, so you can use this for your own personal administration (free). However, the TUFF'97 software is designed to give you BIG TIME credits for just taking the efforts to PROMOTE it. How do I get those credits?. Easy, just distribute/promote it. How? (Give away the software for free, put it on your website/homepage and let everyone download it. Give it to your friends, attach it by email etc). With a one time $40.00 (USD) validation code purchase, YOUR name becomes part of all sofware you sent out to your customers. When your TUFF'97 software gets validated, all your personal information is automatically integrated in the software, so everyone knows how to reach you by phone/fax or email and where to sent the check/money or cash orders. Basically this is the concept. Offcourse you need the software to grasp the whole thing. Believe it, there is absolutely no marketing knowledge required, just ask for the software package, join and start promoting your own TUFF'97 line. The only thing you DO need is a PC or Mac(*) and Internet. (*) TUFF'97 is only available for MacOS users running Connectix VirtualPC or Insignia's Sofwindows 95/3.11. A true MacOS version is not available. When you're interested in becoming a TUFF'97 distributor and create your own distribution line, sent a mailto:FiReStArTeR@frodo.com and ask for your copy of the TUFF software (We'll sent you a download location and install instructions). This is a serious opportunity, so only serious responses are processed. If you're not interested, have a nice day. Best Regards, Tony Scott Worldwide Pants Promotions 24H Support/Download requests, mailto:FiReStArTeR@frodo.com voice:(+01)779 698 4655 Fax :(+01)779 698 4555
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <5nuc2h$84p$7658@cadmium.aware.nl> Date: 14 Jun 1997 17:40:05 GMT Control: cancel <5nuc2h$84p$7658@cadmium.aware.nl> Message-ID: <cancel.5nuc2h$84p$7658@cadmium.aware.nl> Sender: Tony Scott<summer@laoffices.com> Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970614.03. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970614.03.html for complete report. Original Subject: Distributors Wanted NOW!!
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <14012865742421@digifix.com> Date: 15 Jun 1997 03:57:19 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <3108866347221@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. 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From: pom@imsd.uni-mainz.de (Klaus Pommerening) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app not seeing CD-ROM Date: 12 Jun 1997 13:43:07 GMT Organization: Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet Message-ID: <5noudb$3ca$1@quasimodo.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> References: <5nihbc$l7r$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <5nj7fk$c52$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> <339e4d87.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <Pine.NXT.3.96.970612083942.4716C-100000@cc344191-a> Cc: luomat@peak.org In <Pine.NXT.3.96.970612083942.4716C-100000@cc344191-a> "Timothy J. Luoma" wrote: > .... starting the app first does work.... but still no sound.... I > think I may have missed a wire when I hooked up the CD-ROM... it seems to > be playing without problems, but no sound.... > Put the speakers in the slot in front of the CD player. If you hear the sound then, as a next step open your computer and insert the wire between CD player and sound card. -- Klaus Pommerening Institut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation der Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet, D-55101 Mainz, Germany PGP fingerprint: F5 03 CE E7 70 C2 8C 74 BA ED EC 60 83 3B 7C 89 http://www.Uni-Mainz.DE/~pommeren/
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From: Serge Smadja <serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Drivers, more Drivers are needed Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:50:23 +0200 Organization: EDF - DER/IMA/ICI/ODI Message-ID: <33A6A42F.2577BC9F@der.edfgdf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello All, I have installed OpenStep 4.1 on a G6 200XL from Gateway 2000, however my graphic adapter is a STB Virge velocity 3D and my network adapter is a 3COM Etherlink III PCI (PCI is very important) and it seems that there aren't adequate drivers on the CD or on the Next Site. Any help would be appriciated. Does anybody knows if those drivers will be available anytime soon. Thanks. -- Serge Smadja EDF - Direction des Etudes et Recherches - FRANCE Ingénieur Chercheur - Département Ingénierie de la Communication en Informatique Groupe Outils de Dialogue pour l'Informatique Tél : +33 (0)1 47 65 31 31 fax : +33 (0)1 47 65 35 23 email : serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr
From: Axel Habermann <kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Drivers, more Drivers are needed Date: 17 Jun 1997 19:37:54 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5o6p2i$9qe$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <33A6A42F.2577BC9F@der.edfgdf.fr> In comp.sys.next.advocacy Serge Smadja <serge.smadja@der.edfgdf.fr> wrote: : Hello All, : I have installed OpenStep 4.1 on a G6 200XL from Gateway 2000, however : my graphic adapter is a STB Virge velocity 3D and my network adapter is : a 3COM Etherlink III PCI (PCI is very important) and it seems that there : aren't adequate drivers on the CD or on the Next Site. There is a generic driver for the Virge chipset, I would give it a try, maybe it works with your graphics card. There is no such thing an Etherlink III PCI adapter, at least not according to 3com's website. There is an Etherlink XL PCI adapter for which a driver is available: NeXTanswers #2165, #2166, #2534 HTH Axel -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM.' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: It always pays to panic... Date: 18 Jun 1997 08:25:33 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5o861t$gt0$1@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> References: <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> rupert@noir.net wrote: >I've got a Color Turbo that is suddenly incapable of making it through an >hour of operation without panicking. Uggh. I am infinitely perplexed as to >what I did to percipitate this, but here's the rundown: > >- Original 250Mb drive died. No fsck, lowlevel format, etc would work. >Kaput. Fine. >- Installed spare Fujitsu 540 just fine. Did you terminate the SCSI bus correctly? And did you enable termpower on the drive? The original NeXT SCSI adapter does not support termpower to the SCSI bus as almost any other SCSI adapter does. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
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From: chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: IB: Missing Main Menu Date: 19 Jun 1997 02:59:37 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Message-ID: <chris-ya023580001806972300320001@news.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been working on an app; Its a rather large app and of course has a Main Menu. But the strangest thing is going on: In the app's main nib, there is the icon for the mainMenu. The weird thing is that I can't seem to find this actual menu anywhere, i.e I double-click on the icon, the Inspector switches to Menu Inspector, the name of the app/menu title appears in the 'Title' text field, but the 'physical' list of menu cells appears nowhere. I compile/run the app and it shows up as the app's main menu, just as you'd expect; I switch back to IB and it's still gone. (It's been missing for days, and frankly I'm worried.) Has anyone seen this before ? CB
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From: bart@xblacksmith.com (Bartley Troyan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: It always pays to panic... Date: 19 Jun 1997 00:34:51 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <5o9urb$s7i$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> In article <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> rupert@noir.net writes: > - Very intermittently, but at least once an hour the machine panics, even > when idle. > > I get a big NMI window full of dex-hex-mess dump, and then usually the > following message: > > "MMU invalid descriptor during table walk" > > Any idea what might be causing this behaviour? The machine worked flawlessly > before the first HDD died... I am stumped as to where to even begin on this > snipe hunt. I used to get that message on my turbo pizza box, during the time period when I had some spare memory installed. I believe it was because the memory was parity memory and pizza boxes don't like parity memory (or vice-versa, I'm not a hardware guy). Try removing and reseating the SIMMS. How many/what size chips are in your machine? Try switching them around, maybe they are inserted in the wrong sequence. Hope this helps, Bart Troyan Blacksmith, Inc. to email me, note that my company's name doesn't begin with x and change my reply-to address accordingly.
From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: It always pays to panic... Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:55:16 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970619085233.6504A-100000@cc3441910a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> <5o9urb$s7i$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: rupert@noir.net In-Reply-To: <5o9urb$s7i$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> On 19 Jun 1997, Bartley Troyan wrote: > In article <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> rupert@noir.net writes: > > - Very intermittently, but at least once an hour the machine panics, even > > when idle. > I used to get that message on my turbo pizza box, during the time period > when I had some spare memory installed. I believe it was because the > memory was parity memory and pizza boxes don't like parity memory (or > vice-versa, I'm not a hardware guy). FWIW my non-turbo slab has all parity memory (32 meg).. of course perhaps it does not like mixed parity and non? Still not sure how this would be related to the HDD dying, but perhaps it was just a coincidence? TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html "Everything is easy when you know what you are doing." - Dr Robert Cupper, Department of CS, Allegheny College
From: chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: IB: Missing Main Menu Date: 20 Jun 1997 08:31:24 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Message-ID: <chris-ya023580002006970432230001@news.utk.edu> References: <chris-ya023580001806972300320001@news.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <chris-ya023580001806972300320001@news.utk.edu>, chris@polaris.scicntr.ortn.edu wrote: > I've been working on an app; Its a rather large app and of course has a > Main Menu. But the strangest thing is going on: > > In the app's main nib, there is the icon for the mainMenu. The weird thing > is that I can't seem to find this actual menu anywhere, i.e I double-click > on the icon, the Inspector switches to Menu Inspector, the name of the > app/menu title appears in the 'Title' text field, but the 'physical' list > of menu cells appears nowhere. > > I compile/run the app and it shows up as the app's main menu, just as you'd > expect; I switch back to IB and it's still gone. > > (It's been missing for days, and frankly I'm worried.) > > Has anyone seen this before ? > > > CB Sorry... New e-mail address : beauvois@usa.net Regards -- CB
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Message-ID: <199706212005.QAA26865@kira.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 16:05:27 -0400 Subject: nu -a in 4.1 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net nu -a in 4.1 tries to send mail using 'mail -s' which doesn't work, rather than 'Mail -s' which would work. Anyone else seen this? yeah yeah, I know, you all use UserManager.app TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> / http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ NeXT bookmarks: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/bookmarks.html "Everything is easy when you know what you are doing." - Dr Robert Cupper, Department of CS, Allegheny College
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <3108866347221@digifix.com> Date: 22 Jun 1997 03:57:06 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <10436866952022@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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From: rennich@lelepc4.stanford.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Having problems adding a second SCSI hard drive Date: 23 Jun 1997 16:28:27 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5om87b$fi1$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Thanks for reading this. Briefly: I'm trying to add a Quantum Fireball TM 3.2 GB drive to a pc running OS 4.0. The problem is that no matter what I do, the system always thinks the drive is only 1.7GB. Details: I have a Pentium Pro on a Supermicro P6SNE board. The scsi controller is the Adaptec 2940. The original, boot (still) drive is an HP Surestore 2000 2.0GB (It has always worked well). The boot drive is scsi id#3, attached at the end of the cable and terminated. The quantum drive is scsi id #6, in the middle of the cable and not terminated. Otherwise 192MB core, Mattrox millennium and 3Comm etherexpress III. Questions: + Older versions of NS/OS were limited to filesystems of 2GB or less. Is this still true? The solution was to partition such systems into smaller filesystems. How is this done? + After hooking up the drive and rebooting, the drive is recognized as new and I am prompted to initialize it with BuildDisk. No matter what, builddisk always reports that the drive is 1028.7 MB. There is a partition button on the BuildDisk panel but it is never active. Initializing the disk in this way results in a filesystem that OS4.0 thinks is 1.7GB. + utilities like scsimodes appear to correctly identify the disk and its characteristics. scsimodes reports that it is a 3.2GB disk. + fdisk can be used to partition the disk, but it won't allow more than one NS partitions. So ... if multiple partitions are necessary, but only one is useful, has anything been accomplished? Is this the way fdisk is supposed to work? If so, I'd at least like a 2.0GB NS partition. Regardless, upon reboot it is back to one 1.7GB next partition. + I have tried editing the disktab, using newfs and mkfs. They can all be make to execute without errors, but, upon rebooting, the system again thinks there is just on 1.7GB partition. + The system doesn't seem to be as fast as it was. Should the main disk always be the first on the scsi chain? or does it not matter? + When I first installed the drive I had forgotten to remove the scsi terminator. Things seemed to work, but the system was VERY slow. This was similar to what I experienced when I had installed an early version of the Omni Fast Video driver. That early version didn't work because, at 192MB, I did not have an even power of 2 amount of RAM. Under NS3.3 a later versions of the Omni Fast Video driver worked great. Since the problem seemed so similar I immediately removed the upper 64MB - and the speed problem disappeared! However, with the drives correctly terminated, I now have all 192MB in the machine and it is working better. Are there any known problems with OS4.0 and uneven amounts of core memory? Has anybody else observed this behavior? Could it be related to the drive initialization problem? The system isn't unuseably slow now, but it doesn't seem as fast as before. Any help/suggestions/pointers that anyone might be abe to provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Steve rennich@leland.stanford.edu
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From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Having problems adding a second SCSI hard drive Date: 24 Jun 1997 08:39:30 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5oo142$gd2$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <5om87b$fi1$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> rennich@lelepc4.stanford.edu wrote: > + fdisk can be used to partition the disk, but it won't allow more than > one NS partitions. So ... if multiple partitions are necessary, but only > one is useful, has anything been accomplished? Is this the way fdisk is > supposed to work? If so, I'd at least like a 2.0GB NS partition. > Regardless, upon reboot it is back to one 1.7GB next partition. NS on Intel knows two different kind of partitions: an "area" on the disk usable for NS, and "subpartitions" inside this area. The documentation calls the first type a "DOS partition", the second type a "filesystem partition". I guess your system did automagically the right thing: It used the full 3.2 GB of your new Quantum disk for NS, and subpartitioned it with two filesystems, heuristically using half the size for each. But the second filesystem isn't automounted, so you don't see it. I assume your new drive is /dev/rsd2h? Try to login as root and enter something like "mount /dev/sd2b /Disk2". (Note the "b" for the second filesystem partition in the NS DOS partition.) If this works, you should see your second 1.7 GB part of your 3.2 GB disk. If you generate an /etc/fstab entry for that partition, it will be mounted at boot time. > + Older versions of NS/OS were limited to filesystems of 2GB > or less. Is this still true? Yes and no. The 2 GB limit is the reason your drive was partitioned into two halfs. OS 4.x _does_ support filesystems > 2GB, but not all system utitilies seem to know that... :-) > No matter what, builddisk always reports that the drive is > 1028.7 MB. [...] + I have tried editing the disktab, using > newfs and mkfs. On Intel-based systems, the best way to install a new disk is simply using fdisk /dev/rsdxh for DOS-partitioning it and disk -i /dev/sdxh for doing all the rest. Then you will also see messages if your disk was divided into a, b, c, ... partitions. Good Luck! Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: moron@Glue.umd.edu (Warren B. Focke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: It always pays to panic... Date: 24 Jun 1997 16:47:41 -0400 Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <5opbpd$3aj@mulligan.eng.umd.edu> References: <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> <5o9urb$s7i$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> <Pine.NXT.3.96.970619085233.6504A-100000@cc3441910a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Thus Spake Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org>: >On 19 Jun 1997, Bartley Troyan wrote: > >> In article <5nt9s6$l4c$1@news.inc.net> rupert@noir.net writes: >> > - Very intermittently, but at least once an hour the machine panics, even >> > when idle. > >> I used to get that message on my turbo pizza box, during the time period >> when I had some spare memory installed. I believe it was because the >> memory was parity memory and pizza boxes don't like parity memory (or >> vice-versa, I'm not a hardware guy). > >FWIW my non-turbo slab has all parity memory (32 meg).. of course perhaps >it does not like mixed parity and non? My (non-turbo, mono) slab has 16M of parity and 4M of non - seems to work ok. But isn't the memory subsystem on the turbos a bit different? wbf
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <10436866952022@digifix.com> Date: 29 Jun 1997 03:56:52 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <1452867556825@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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From: clane@stem.com (Christopher Lane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: nu -a in 4.1 Date: 23 Jun 1997 20:55:07 GMT Organization: Systemix, Inc. Message-ID: <5omnrb$l5m@iserver.stem.com> References: <199706212005.QAA26865@kira.peak.org> > nu -a in 4.1 tries to send mail using 'mail -s' which doesn't work, > rather than 'Mail -s' which would work. On our 4.1 (& 4.2) systems, Mail is just a symbolic link to mail on /usr/ucb: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 4 Jan 22 10:10 Mail -> mail*@ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 76980 Aug 27 1996 mail* So 'Mail -s' shouldn't work if 'mail -s' doesn't. On our 3.3 systems, the reverse is true: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 65536 Oct 19 1994 /usr/ucb/Mail* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 4 Jan 20 16:12 /usr/ucb/mail -> Mail@ Perhaps you lost something in the upgrade process, - Christopher
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From: tsengel@immd9.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Engel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: IB 4.2pre buggy in class parsing Date: 1 Jul 1997 09:11:02 GMT Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc. Message-ID: <5pahj6$8tp$1@concorde.ctp.com> Hi, just to save you some serious head-scratching when working with IB. Beware on _reparsing_ a known class it does _not_ check its superclass. this means that if the superclass has changed and you are not aware of it..then Ib will produce some strange results like not recognizing certain methods (basically it seems to refuse to accept all methods and ivars which have not been at the initial parse) The solution is to delete the class reference (and all available instances) and then recreate it again. IB could be a lot smart..like poping up a alert, resorting your hierachy automatically if it can match the existing action/outlet connections etc. pp. I does not so take care. Aloha Tomi P.S. If BugNext.app wouldn't crash I might be able to submit that bug properly...NeXT (er..Apple) why is it so hard to provide a working BugNeXT.app via NextAswners ? It would save _you_ a lot of work since you would receive properly clasified and categoriced bug reports.
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From: "miguel angel gutierrez" <maguti@mx2.redestb.es> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.printing,comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.newton.marketplace,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,c Subject: DINERO FACIL LO ASEGURO FUNCIONA Date: 1 Jul 1997 01:21:35 GMT Organization: Unisource Espana NEWS SERVER Message-ID: <01bc85bc$d8e0faa0$LocalHost@miguel> ********************** DINERO FACIL *********************** ¿Quieres ganar dinero fácil y rápido?. Si es así por favor sigue leyendo. Esto realmente funciona. Es la manera mas justa y honesta de poder ganar algun dinero extra sin invertir apenas nada. Invierte 5 minutos de tu tiempo en leer esto y CAMBIARA tu vida. El Internet ha crecido enormemente, su tamaño se duplica cada 4 meses. Piensa que si ves cada vez mas este tipo de noticia es por que funciona y dado que son mas los puntos positivos que los negativos. 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Puedes sin embargo si deseas permanecer en el anonimato, usar un seudónimo, pero asegúrate de que tu dirección sea correcta. NOTA FINAL: Muchas de las ideas para hacer dinero, no importa que tan bien planeadas e implementadas simplemente no se levantan. Y en muchos de los casos debido a los costos de publicidad, pero la publicidad conseguida por medio de Internet es honestamente muy impresionante. Así que por favor estudia este articulo minuciosamente y tomate el tiempo que quieras, ya que cuando te decidas a participar estarás en camino a recibir bastante dinero. Por la misma naturaleza de este sistema no veras los resultados la primera semana. PERO AL COMENZAR LA SEGUNDA SEMANA TUS INGRESOS DEL CORREO PROVENIENTES DE TODO EL MUNDO VERDADERAMENTE TE SORPRENDERA!!!!! Por favor piensa esto seriamente, por que es una de las pocas oportunidades de hacer dinero rápido que realmente funciona. BUENA SUERTE!!! -- MIGUEL
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From: stark@easynet.fr (Frederic Stark) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: IB 4.2pre buggy in class parsing Date: 4 Jul 1997 22:50:22 GMT Organization: Self Message-ID: <5pjune$jv4@buggy.news.easynet.net> References: <5pahj6$8tp$1@concorde.ctp.com> > Hi, > > just to save you some serious head-scratching when working with IB. > > Beware > on _reparsing_ a known class it > does _not_ check its superclass. > > this means that if the superclass has changed and you are not aware of > it..then Ib will produce some strange results like not recognizing certain > methods (basically it seems to refuse to accept all methods and ivars which > have not been at the initial parse) > > The solution is to delete the class reference (and all available instances) > and then recreate it again. No necessary: you can rename your class, import the new one, change class and delete the old one, so you don't loose you connections (I guess it is because of this workaround that this bug is no _so_ hard) > IB could be a lot smart..like poping up a alert, resorting your hierachy > automatically if it can match the existing action/outlet connections etc. pp. Well, there are plenty of areas where IB could be more smart :-) > I does not so take care. > > > Aloha > Tomi > > P.S. If BugNext.app wouldn't crash I might be able to submit that bug > properly...NeXT (er..Apple) why is it so hard to provide a working > BugNeXT.app via NextAswners ? It would save _you_ a lot of work since you > would receive properly clasified and categoriced bug reports. Maybe NeXT^H^H^H^HApple don't want to hear about new bugs ;-) ? -- fred
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From: tsengel@immd9.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Engel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: NSScanner not scannning up to Date: 8 Jul 1997 16:17:33 GMT Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc. Message-ID: <5ptp6t$jnr$1@concorde.ctp.com> Hi, Just to save you the time that we wasted today over here you might interested in this. When the NSScanner first appeard in the Openstep spec I was not really pleased with its name since it violated IMHO what NSScreen and NSPrinter implied to NSScanner. Anyway. NSScanners behavior is not _boldly_ and clearly described in the documentation and you might wonder what is going on. 1. scanString:intoString does _not_ perform a search inside the string. All it does is to check if the string to be searched for starts at _exaclty_ the position that you are currently at. This behavior is ok since you can check for alternatives at a given position...but its behavior is _not_ made as clear as it should have been. Most people (including me) get a wrong impression of what the method is supposed to do. (IMHO Documentation BUG) 2. scanUpToString:intoString is the method that does what you expect from scanString. It performs the search. But this guy has another bug..which is even harder to find. If the string that you are scanning for starts at index 0...then the scanUpTo will fail which it should not. Aloha Tomi P.S. This has been experienced on OS/Mach-Intel 4.2.pre
From: architectura@mindspring.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: networking problems: Mac<->SGI<->NeXT 68k Date: 9 Jul 1997 02:21:35 GMT Organization: Architectura Message-ID: <architectura-0807972122250001@user-2k7i3bn.dialup.mindspring.com> We recently obtained a Color Turbo NextStation from Deepspace and hope to use it as a file and mail server and PostScript editor. I found a section (Chapter 11 of the System Administrator's Manual: Mixed Networks) in the on-line documentation (NS 3.3 was pre-installed and appears to be slightly incomplete) which explains that AppleTalk connectivity is a simple matter of activating a single check box beneath an apple icon in the preferences app. Problem #1: there is no apple icon in my preferences app. Does this mean that something was not installed, or merely that I've not set the computer up correctly? Connecting NeXT black hardware to UNIX machines should, according to the documentation, be similarly straightforward. Neither the NeXT nor the SGI will acknowledge the physical existence of a 10BaseT network connection. Problem #2: The machines are all physically connected through a DaynaStar 10BaseT hub, but the Macs are the only ones talking. I would appreciate any suggestions!
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From: michael@hesta.com (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: HELP! Draw.app screwing up fax cover sheets Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:23:07 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5q329b$2fr@corporate.hesta.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had made several fax covers using Draw.app several revs ago (like 3.2 or so ) and they worked fine until I tried to open and alter them now under 4.1 and 4.2 using the new Draw.app ... Can anyone corroborate this behavior? It renders elements invisible once saved and selected as the faxcover in the print panel, and if you re-open the file itself, the last letter in each text and/or form entry is missing until resized. Nothing on NeXT answers or release notes... AAARRGGH! -- "A measure of a man is what he will do for someone who can offer but nothing in return." -Unattributed. MIME & NeXTMAIL accepted Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: networking problems: Mac<->SGI<->NeXT 68k Message-ID: <ED3pny.KDE@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <architectura-0807972122250001@user-2k7i3bn.dialup.mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:38:22 GMT In article <architectura-0807972122250001@user-2k7i3bn.dialup.mindspring.com> architectura@mindspring.com writes: > > We recently obtained a Color Turbo NextStation from Deepspace and hope > to use it as a file and mail server and PostScript editor. > I found a section (Chapter 11 of the System Administrator's Manual: > Mixed Networks) in the on-line documentation (NS 3.3 was pre-installed > and appears to be slightly incomplete) which explains that AppleTalk > connectivity is a simple matter of activating a single check box beneath > an apple icon in the preferences app. > You happened to step on a documentation bug. This feature was only existent in NS 3.0. It was sightly buggy and was discontinued lateron. EtherTalk client and server (!) capabilities can be achieved by means of CAPer. It is on the ususal archives. > Problem #1: there is no apple icon in my preferences app. Does this > mean that something was not installed, or merely that I've not set the > computer up correctly? > See above. > Connecting NeXT black hardware to UNIX machines should, according to the > documentation, be similarly straightforward. Neither the NeXT nor the > SGI will acknowledge the physical existence of a 10BaseT network > connection. > Forgive me, but I doubt you'd recognize the acknowlwedgement of a physical network connection even if it sprang into your face :-) On a NeXT machine it is probably only a single line on the verbose boot log and even there it might only list a cryptic physical device code. If you haven't configured the machine to be part of a network the corresponding parts of the system software won't even bother to look for a physical connection. NEXTSTEP will only enable the local connection, the network connection will be ignored. Possibly it might be better to start with a new installation. But if you're determined to make the existing system recognize the network, run SimpleNetworkStarter.app and configure the system to be a standalone machine. Then use HostManager.app to enter the network information of the other machines on your network. Alternatively enter your DNS server information in the right place. In case that SNS isn't able to reliably change the network settings (as it usually does if the network has been manually altered) you could print out the diagnostics and use NetInfoManager.app to set things manually. But that needs some deeper understanding. Possibly a new installation or, at least, a resetting of the customization should be considered. You can achieve this by copying the files in /usr/template/client/etc/hostinfo and /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo to /etc. You might want to save the previous files since you'll loose allmost all customizsation done before. You can start the network now using SNS and HM like described above. > Problem #2: The machines are all physically connected through a > DaynaStar 10BaseT hub, but the Macs are the only ones talking. > Is the hub seeing the other machines as connected or not? And there is still the possibility of a cabling problem... I can't speek for the Silicon Graphics machine but the NEXTSTEP system is quiet unless you tell her explicitly to take up network connections. And I think it's perfectly ok that way. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
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From: Michael Giddings <giddings_at_whitewater.chem.wisc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: CVS unusable with 4.2 PB/Mach? Strange path mapping bug . . . Date: 10 Jul 1997 20:48:31 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison Distribution: world Message-ID: <5q3hqv$1ifo@news.doit.wisc.edu> Has anyone else gotten the SCM module for CVS to work correctly with mach? I've run into what seems like a major bug. In trying to "Create Work Directory" under OS 4.2/mach, Project builder converts all pathnames I enter under the field "Project's Local Work Directory" and makes them into Windoze style paths, by making the substitution "/ -> \". It actually checks out a directory at root with a name such as \joes\garage when I give it /joes/garage, but then, in the last phase of creating this work directory, it bombs because it goes back and looks for the original /joes/garage to make some modifications, which was never created in the first place! I haven't yet found a way around this, and it seemingly makes the SCM on PB for Mach useless. Has anyone else seen this? Please replace "_at_" with @ to respond via e-mail (to help me avoid spam), thanks. -- Michael Giddings giddings_at_chem.wisc.edu giddings_at_barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://smithlab.chem.wisc.edu/PersonalPages/giddings/giddings.html http://www.barbarian.com
From: Wolfgang Baron <wbaron@ixpoint.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: CVS unusable with 4.2 PB/Mach? Strange path mapping bug . . . Date: 11 Jul 1997 08:58:03 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH, www.ixpoint.de Distribution: world Message-ID: <5q4sir$24o$1@ixpoint.de> References: <5q3hqv$1ifo@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: giddings@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu In <5q3hqv$1ifo@news.doit.wisc.edu> Michael Giddings wrote: > Has anyone else gotten the SCM module for CVS to work correctly with mach? > I've run into what seems like a major bug. > > In trying to "Create Work Directory" under OS 4.2/mach, Project builder > converts all pathnames I enter under the field "Project's Local Work > Directory" and makes them into Windoze style paths, by making the > substitution "/ -> \". I came accross another problem, trying to set the CVSROOT variable for cvs (as described in the manual) to use under ProjectBuilder. I have tried all the startup scripts for users and root. I do not seem to be able to set this environment variable for any application, as applications are run by the workspace, which is run by the loginWindow and has never used a shell on the way. How can I avoid this problem? -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Wolfgang Baron + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Daimlerstrasse 3, 76275 Ettlingen, Germany + + phone ++49 7243 3775-82 Fax ++49 7243 3775-77 + + email: wbaron@ixpoint.de (NeXTmail and MIME) + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + pConnector - Network Printing for NEXTSTEP + + sca - the static code analyser + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:02:10 -0600 From: escape@paranoia.com Subject: Symbios SCSI bug in 4.2? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Message-ID: <868636247.27597@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service I'm attempting to install OpenStep 4.2 on an intel box. I have an Asus motherboard with the SC-200 SCSI card, which is a symbios/ncr 810. I am using an external NeXT SCSI cd-rom. I am trying to install on a seagate SCSI 2 gig hard drive. My problem is, OpenStep will only recognize 234 mb on the hard drive through the bios, and it will only partition that much. It *does* see that the drive is 2050 mb, however on the bios line it only has 234 megs. I tried to install onto a new Jaz disk (is this even possible?) and I ran into the same limitation. It looks like a driver problem to me, any suggestions? thanks, mike -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Symbios SCSI bug in 4.2? Date: 11 Jul 1997 17:51:14 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5q5rqi$noj@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <868636247.27597@dejanews.com> In article <868636247.27597@dejanews.com> escape@paranoia.com writes: > I am trying to install on a > seagate SCSI 2 gig hard drive. My problem is, OpenStep will only OpenStep for Mach can't handle drives >2GB (which yours is, barely) without a disktab entry. These are not fun to make, but CAN be done. I don't know the details, as I've never done it. Alternatively, you could try to partition the drive ahead of time using some other fdisk (like, (sorry) DOS, I think it'll work). Then use the Advanced install option at install time to use a specified partition. Good luck. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: Wolfgang Baron <wbaron@ixpoint.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: CVS unusable with 4.2 PB/Mach? Strange path mapping bug . . . Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:51:29 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH, www.ixpoint.de Distribution: world Message-ID: <5q5dp1$2s8$1@ixpoint.de> References: <5q3hqv$1ifo@news.doit.wisc.edu> <5q4sir$24o$1@ixpoint.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: wbaron@ixpoint.de Hi, In <5q4sir$24o$1@ixpoint.de> Wolfgang Baron wrote: > In <5q3hqv$1ifo@news.doit.wisc.edu> Michael Giddings wrote: Apart from the problems seen under Mach, has anyone successfully worked with cvs under NT? When I checkout a module, only the files and directories with the generated CVS subdirectories of the first level directory get extracted. The first level directory is named 'cvs' instead of the module name. When I run cvs from a shell, it works as expected. Has anyone successfully worked with cvs under NT ? Has anyone seen the same or other problems ? -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Wolfgang Baron + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Daimlerstrasse 3, 76275 Ettlingen, Germany + + phone ++49 7243 3775-82 Fax ++49 7243 3775-77 + + email: wbaron@ixpoint.de (NeXTmail and MIME) + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + pConnector - Network Printing for NEXTSTEP + + sca - the static code analyser + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: gshaw@zeta.org.au Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Changing name of file in FileViewer selects all text Date: 12 Jul 1997 07:33:14 GMT Organization: Kralizec Internet, http://www.zeta.org.au/ Message-ID: <5q7bvq$630$1@phaedrus.kralizec.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a weird one. I have installed Prelude to Rhapsody on a Jaz disk while keeping OS3.3 on my SCSI disk. When booted under 4.2 I tried changing the name of a file by overtyping the name within File Viewer. Seemed fair enough to me. What happened was that periodically (like about every 3 seconds) the entire text of the name would be selected automatically. So if I kept typing the name of my file the name would start again from where I was upto and start the timer again. I could type one letter and wait for the auto-selection and then use the mouse to deselect the text and then type again until I get the auto-selection and so on. This has become tiresome. The only way to change filenames that I cannot type within the prescribed timeperiod is to open an Edit window, type the name, select it, copy it and paste it into the text field for the filename. I had assumed this to be a bug in 4.2 prerelease 2 that woudl be fixed in the gold release so I grinned and bore it. I have other things to chase with 4.2 and need not bother with this. The thing that was interesting is that the EXACT same problem has occurred when changing the name of a file under OS3.3 with the NS4.2 Jaz disk mounted as an ordinary drive. A quick test and the problem does not show itself with OS3.3 JAZ disk. I just tried to recreate the problem with the OS4.2 disk under OS3.3 and nothing. So the problem is flaky under OS3.3 but always present under NS4.2. Any suggestions or insights would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Greg Shaw.
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From: a12@a.a Subject: $$$$ LOAN BUSINESS, EASY MONTHLY INCOME, NO BRAINER $$$$ Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: 20 Message-ID: <33c92481.0@news.unibe.ch> Date: 13 Jul 97 18:54:57 GMT I have participated in the standard "Please put me on your mailing list" letter and found it to be worth my time (I get 1 or 2 handfulls or letters every day) but I also found that it's results were nowhere near what I expected due mainly to people not sending in the money but rather spreading the letter without paying for it. I participated in that mainly as an experiment and found that there are a tremendous amount of people willing to do it. I thought about how to, first, eliminate the "non-pay" problem and, second, to create a monthly income. I came upon the solution and decided to start a new program. I decided that there were 3 things that this new program needed in order to work for everyone and they were: 1.) It needed to be very simple and easy for anyone to do, and, 2.) It needed to be inexpensive enough for even the poorest of people, and, 3.) It needs to be DUPLICATABLE. I think you will find this program to meet those requirements. I have put lots of thought into it and I ask that you PLEASE do NOT modify it. This WILL WORK if you follow it. This system is based on the unconditional "loaning" of money to people. Simply say, "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can." You should find 5 or more people who will send $2 to the 5 needy people on this list AND MAINTAIN 5 or more people who will do the same. You should put your name on postition number 5 and move each of the other names up one position. The name originally on position number 1 gets removed. You should be able to contact each of your 5 or more people to see if they are going to be active this month. If not then you need to find one or more people to be active in order to maintain at least 5. I am not speaking about the 5 people on the list but rather the 5 new people you have found. I would highly suggest having more than 5 in any given month. Now I know that this would be extremely easy to do since I can think of at least 20 people myself who will do this consistently. The key is to maintain at LEAST 5 active people. If you don't then you can't expect for the rest of the people to do it either and you can't expect for this system to work. This system is a no-brainer, and if someone can't afford the $10 + stamps for this then they truly ARE in need! It is OK to use the internet to find people but I think it would be easier to find them through people that you know. This way it will be easier for you to contact them every month to ask about their being active, unless someone is willing to give you their e-mail address. Here are some numbers: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 4 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 4 people = $8, Total now $8 Level 2: $2 x 16 people = $32, Total now $8 + $32 = $40 Level 3: $2 x 64 people = $128, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 = $168 Level 4: $2 x 256 people = $512, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 = $680 Level 5: $2 x 1024 people = $2048, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 + $2048 = *** $2728 *** Yearly income: $2728 x 12 months = $32,736 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 5 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 5 people = $10, Total now $10 Level 2: $2 x 25 people = $50, Total now $10 + $50 = $60 Level 3: $2 x 125 people = $250, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 = $310 Level 4: $2 x 500 people = $1000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 = $1310 Level 5: $2 x 2500 people = $5000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 + $5000 = *** $6310 *** Yearly income: $6310 x 12 months = $75,720 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 6 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 6 people = $12, Total now $12 Level 2: $2 x 36 people = $72, Total now $12 + $72 = $84 Level 3: $2 x 216 people = $432, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 = $516 Level 4: $2 x 1296 people = $2592, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 = $3108 Level 5: $2 x 7776 people = $15552, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 + $15552 = *** $18660 *** Yearly income: $18660 x 12 months = $223,920 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 7 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 7 people = $14, Total now $14 Level 2: $2 x 49 people = $98, Total now $14 + $98 = $112 Level 3: $2 x 343 people = $686, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 = $798 Level 4: $2 x 2401 people = $4802, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 = $5600 Level 5: $2 x 16807 people = $33614, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 + $33614 = *** $39214 *** Yearly income: $39214 x 12 months = $470,568 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep in mind that it does not matter what day of the month that someone chooses to be active. It DOES matter that they are active on that day EVERY month. The key to this is DUPLICATION! You must treat this as a business. If you treat it like a hobby that is how it will treat you. You could even organize small meetings with your people and their prospects and work with your leaders. Think of how easy this would be for you, how reasonable this is, and of how good the chances are of it working for you. You may need to hire someone to open all the envelopes. NOTE: I decided on $2 instead of $1 because it is more feasible and it won't matter much for someone to send $2 as opposed to $1. Also I was against $5 as that becomes too expensive to duplicate. Mail $2 every month with a piece of paper saying "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can" to the following needy people: #1 Robert Jezil 114 Jefferson Ave. Slidell, LA 70460 #2 Phil Walther Jr. 9495 Annapolis Lane North Maple Grove, MN 55369 #3 C. E. Burkman 170 University Ave. W Suite 12-129 Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3E9 #4 A. Bailey 1207 Reeves Road Plainfield, IN 46168 #5 J. Martin P.O. Box 2292 Reston, Va. 20195
From: a10@a.a Subject: $$ NEW SYSTEM, BETTER THAN "ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST" $ Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: 11 Message-ID: <33c92473.0@news.unibe.ch> Date: 13 Jul 97 18:54:43 GMT I have participated in the standard "Please put me on your mailing list" letter and found it to be worth my time (I get 1 or 2 handfulls or letters every day) but I also found that it's results were nowhere near what I expected due mainly to people not sending in the money but rather spreading the letter without paying for it. I participated in that mainly as an experiment and found that there are a tremendous amount of people willing to do it. I thought about how to, first, eliminate the "non-pay" problem and, second, to create a monthly income. I came upon the solution and decided to start a new program. I decided that there were 3 things that this new program needed in order to work for everyone and they were: 1.) It needed to be very simple and easy for anyone to do, and, 2.) It needed to be inexpensive enough for even the poorest of people, and, 3.) It needs to be DUPLICATABLE. I think you will find this program to meet those requirements. I have put lots of thought into it and I ask that you PLEASE do NOT modify it. This WILL WORK if you follow it. This system is based on the unconditional "loaning" of money to people. Simply say, "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can." You should find 5 or more people who will send $2 to the 5 needy people on this list AND MAINTAIN 5 or more people who will do the same. You should put your name on postition number 5 and move each of the other names up one position. The name originally on position number 1 gets removed. You should be able to contact each of your 5 or more people to see if they are going to be active this month. If not then you need to find one or more people to be active in order to maintain at least 5. I am not speaking about the 5 people on the list but rather the 5 new people you have found. I would highly suggest having more than 5 in any given month. Now I know that this would be extremely easy to do since I can think of at least 20 people myself who will do this consistently. The key is to maintain at LEAST 5 active people. If you don't then you can't expect for the rest of the people to do it either and you can't expect for this system to work. This system is a no-brainer, and if someone can't afford the $10 + stamps for this then they truly ARE in need! It is OK to use the internet to find people but I think it would be easier to find them through people that you know. This way it will be easier for you to contact them every month to ask about their being active, unless someone is willing to give you their e-mail address. Here are some numbers: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 4 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 4 people = $8, Total now $8 Level 2: $2 x 16 people = $32, Total now $8 + $32 = $40 Level 3: $2 x 64 people = $128, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 = $168 Level 4: $2 x 256 people = $512, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 = $680 Level 5: $2 x 1024 people = $2048, Total now $8 + $32 + $128 + $512 + $2048 = *** $2728 *** Yearly income: $2728 x 12 months = $32,736 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 5 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 5 people = $10, Total now $10 Level 2: $2 x 25 people = $50, Total now $10 + $50 = $60 Level 3: $2 x 125 people = $250, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 = $310 Level 4: $2 x 500 people = $1000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 = $1310 Level 5: $2 x 2500 people = $5000, Total now $10 + $50 + $250 + $1000 + $5000 = *** $6310 *** Yearly income: $6310 x 12 months = $75,720 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 6 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 6 people = $12, Total now $12 Level 2: $2 x 36 people = $72, Total now $12 + $72 = $84 Level 3: $2 x 216 people = $432, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 = $516 Level 4: $2 x 1296 people = $2592, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 = $3108 Level 5: $2 x 7776 people = $15552, Total now $12 + $72 + $432 + $2592 + $15552 = *** $18660 *** Yearly income: $18660 x 12 months = $223,920 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monthly income model per level and total for maintaining 7 active members @ $2 each: Level 1: $2 x 7 people = $14, Total now $14 Level 2: $2 x 49 people = $98, Total now $14 + $98 = $112 Level 3: $2 x 343 people = $686, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 = $798 Level 4: $2 x 2401 people = $4802, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 = $5600 Level 5: $2 x 16807 people = $33614, Total now $14 + $98 + $686 + $4802 + $33614 = *** $39214 *** Yearly income: $39214 x 12 months = $470,568 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep in mind that it does not matter what day of the month that someone chooses to be active. It DOES matter that they are active on that day EVERY month. The key to this is DUPLICATION! You must treat this as a business. If you treat it like a hobby that is how it will treat you. You could even organize small meetings with your people and their prospects and work with your leaders. Think of how easy this would be for you, how reasonable this is, and of how good the chances are of it working for you. You may need to hire someone to open all the envelopes. NOTE: I decided on $2 instead of $1 because it is more feasible and it won't matter much for someone to send $2 as opposed to $1. Also I was against $5 as that becomes too expensive to duplicate. Mail $2 every month with a piece of paper saying "I am loaning you this $2 as an act of goodwill to help you in your financial need, you may pay me back if and when you can" to the following needy people: #1 Robert Jezil 114 Jefferson Ave. Slidell, LA 70460 #2 Phil Walther Jr. 9495 Annapolis Lane North Maple Grove, MN 55369 #3 C. E. Burkman 170 University Ave. W Suite 12-129 Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3E9 #4 A. Bailey 1207 Reeves Road Plainfield, IN 46168 #5 J. Martin P.O. Box 2292 Reston, Va. 20195
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