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From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Printf %g format still broken in OPENSTEP 4.0 Date: 1 Oct 1996 02:33:01 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <52pvst$7jo@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <52p5vp$1sq@tribune.usask.ca> eric@skatter.USask.Ca wrote: > I can hardly believe this. It is now *SEVEN YEARS* since I first reported this bug (in > NextStep 1.0). I have reported this error in every subsequent release up to and > including NEXTSTEP 3.3. In May, 1994 I received mail from NeXT saying that this would be > fixed in 4.0. Looks like they missed it again. May, 1994!! Wasn't that back when 4.0 was supposed to have an object-oriented file systems and all sorts of other wiz-bang features? Is the person who wrote that still at NeXT ?-) But 4.0 isn't really "4.0". I think the real 4.0 will be released shortly as 4.1. So keep your test program warm... -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Bugs in OpenStep Conversion Date: 30 Sep 1996 14:05:50 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <52ok3u$7s8@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <52dvgc$13t@ddfservb.technet.net> Constantin Szallies <szallies@energotec.de> writes: > Are there some more bugs one should know ? It gets the constants wrong for converting NXBitmapImageRep's to NSBitmapImageReps. I found that to be very odd indeed. -bat.
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Warning: NEXTIME trashing filesystem Date: 1 Oct 1996 11:33:16 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <52qvhs$1sb@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.960924141616.8092A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.960924141616.8092A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> writes: > Hello, [ NEXTIME "keeps" space for movies on disk, though file is deleted ] > No the wired cause: > - Selecting a compressed quicktime movie runs Opener as usually and > decrunches fine (I expect there is no error here) > - I double click the movie and it launches NEXTIME. > - I can play the movie etc. > - I do repeat the procedure for more quicktime movies. > > The whole time I'm watching my swapfile and the free space on the root > device (there is my /tmp and Opener decrunches the files to /tmp/O_xxx). > After e.g. allocating about 100MB of diskspace due to decrunching, I > deleted all quicktimes from /tmp, but only about 50MB are reclaimed!!! > The swapfile didn't grow, so where are the lost MBs? > > It get's even worse: rebooting doesn't work now.. The system isn't able to > shutdown the system, it simply can't umount root!!!!! Possible explanation: NEXTIME starts a helper process, NTPrivServer. This process opens the movie files, but apparently does never close them again. I noticed that when playing movies from a CD-ROM: you can't eject the CD-ROM after that, you're always told that "some application" is using it, alltough one has quit NEXTIME.app. NTPrivServer keeps on running, and that's the reason. Killing this beast does not allways work, so you can't ejct the CD-ROM. Period. The not freed space is most likely the movie file, still in access of NTPrivServer. You can delete it from the directory, but Unix files are not really removed from the disk before the last reference ("hard link" to I-node) is removed AND the last program having the file open did close it. There is the point: NTPrivServer didn't close the file, so it stays on disk. This IS a bug in NEXTIME/NTPrivServer and you should submit it to bug_next (as a repetition - I did so some time ago ...) Moreover, like it's hard to kill NTPrivServer, the shutdown process seems to have the same problem, resulting in your reboot problem. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Email:droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Warning: NEXTIME trashing filesystem Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:12:24 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961001150941.11075A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.960924141616.8092A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <52qvhs$1sb@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <52qvhs$1sb@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> > > This IS a bug in NEXTIME/NTPrivServer and you should submit it > to bug_next (as a repetition - I did so some time ago ...) > > Moreover, like it's hard to kill NTPrivServer, the shutdown process > seems to have the same problem, resulting in your reboot problem. I talked about this with M.P. and the bug is now surely recognized :) Unfortunately it seems to be connected closesly to the SoundDriver! Anyway: your explanation was correct and it is the cause of the hanging process NTPrivServer. But there is a second NTServer which hangs too. Killing both processes helped for me. Greetings, Bernhard.
From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: detachNewThreadSelector... retains its target (?) Date: 2 Oct 1996 09:27:39 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <52tcib$22l@isabella.object-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not 100% sure about this, but it seems that the object passed as target to +detachNewThreadSelector:toTarget:withObject in NSThread receives a retain message when the thread is spawned but does not receive a release message when the thread exits. Clearly, after the method is finished the object has an invalid, ie. too high retain count and will not be deallocated properly. Does someone have similar experiences? thanks in advance erik ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Dörnenburg OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft für Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH Lohbachstraße 12, 58239 Schwerte, Germany erik@object-factory.com or erik@lagado.free.de (priv)
From: eric@skatter.USask.Ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: detachNewThreadSelector... retains its target (?) Date: 2 Oct 1996 16:32:44 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <52u5fc$h9b@tribune.usask.ca> References: <52tcib$22l@isabella.object-factory.com> Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> wrote: > >I'm not 100% sure about this, but it seems that the object passed as target >to +detachNewThreadSelector:toTarget:withObject in NSThread receives a retain >message when the thread is spawned but does not receive a release message >when the thread exits. Clearly, after the method is finished the object has >an invalid, ie. too high retain count and will not be deallocated properly. >Does someone have similar experiences? > >thanks in advance >erik > Yes, that's what I found, too (at least in NS 3.3 -- haven't tried it in NS 4.0 yet). Here's what I did in my xmodem file transfer object: - (void)sendCompletionMessage:(NSString *)message { [completionStatus release]; completionStatus = message; [completionStatus retain]; xmodemThread = [NSThread currentThread]; [self autorelease]; /* This matches the retain done by dettachThread */ [xmodemThread exit]; } -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory Phone: (306) 966-6308 University of Saskatchewan FAX: (306) 966-6058 Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted.
From: edx@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cancel <1996Oct3.081316.86050@cc.usu.edu> Message-ID: <1996Oct3.081558.86051@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Oct 96 08:15:58 MDT Control: cancel <1996Oct3.081316.86050@cc.usu.edu> cancel <1996Oct3.081316.86050@cc.usu.edu>
From: jray@bigmac.ag.ohio-state.edu (John E. Ray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: [HELP] Intel NS 3.3 boots, runs, keyboard/mouse frozen?!?!! Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 20:08:09 +0100 Organization: Zeus Enterprises Message-ID: <jray-0310962008090001@news.netset.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I have a rather annoying problem. I just got OS 4.0, and went to perform the upgrade today on our NS 3.3 server. I sat down at the console and went to type... and nothing happened. It seems that the mouse and keyboard no longer function at the login screen (I don't even see the cursor). *Sometimes* I can get to to type a character, but not even the one I press. If I boot into single user mode, its fine. The only thing I've done recently is install a Intel EtherExpress PRO/100... So, I looked at the driver configuration, and noticed that the driver was version 4.03... I had installed a OS 4.0 driver on a NS 3.3 machine. I have no idea if that's what caused the problem (driver incompatibility) or if it is a problem w/ settings on the card...or if it has nothing to do with either. When the card was installed, I didn't even attempt to log in at the console, so I can't pinpoint when the problem started (tho' I would guess it was then). BTW - The system *runs* fine. I can log in remotely, etc... just can't do a thing at the console. So... I'm in trouble. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'd like to know, is it possible to do a standard boot w/o network support? If not, how can I disable the Intel driver from single user mode? (I moved the .config file, and that kept the driver from loading, but the boot hung after loading lookupd. I'm more than slightly concerned, and would really appreciate any help. cc's in email greatly appreciated, Thanks, John -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- John E. Ray "You're only a loser while you believe you're a loser, ray.30@osu.edu after that you're a self-delusional fool" ============================================================================ Network Specialist I The Ohio State University Extension ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Mark Anenberg <marka@Eng.Sun.COM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Printf %g format still broken in OPENSTEP 4.0 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 18:56:00 -0700 Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. Message-ID: <32546EB0.3CD6@Eng.Sun.COM> References: <52p5vp$1sq@tribune.usask.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eric@skatter.USask.Ca wrote: > > I just upgraded my machine (486DX2/66) to OPENSTEP 4.0. > One of the first things I tried was my printf `%g' format test program: > > #include <stdio.h> > > int main (int argc, char **argv) > { > printf ("Expect 0.00123: %.3g\n", 0.001234567); > printf ("Expect 123: %.3g\n", 123.4567); > printf ("Expect 123.5: %.4g\n", 123.4567); > printf ("Expect 1e+03: %.3g\n", 999.6); > return 0; > } > > Here's the output after compiling the program on NEXTSTEP 4.0: > Expect 0.00123: 0.001 > Expect 123: 123.457 > Expect 123.5: 123.4567 > Expect 1e+03: 999.6 > > I can hardly believe this. It is now *SEVEN YEARS* since I first reported this bug (in > NextStep 1.0). I have reported this error in every subsequent release up to and > including NEXTSTEP 3.3. In May, 1994 I received mail from NeXT saying that this would be > fixed in 4.0. Looks like they missed it again. > > Every other time I have posted an article about this bug I have received mail saying that > the behaviour of the NeXT printf is correct. To try and forestall these replies I > include the following: > > The ANSI standard (X3.159-1989) says (Section 4.9.6.1, page 134, line 33): >.... > > -- > Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca > Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory Phone: (306) 966-6308 > University of Saskatchewan FAX: (306) 966-6058 > Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted. You could always buy a real Operating system like Solaris and use Solaris Openstep.... (sorry I couldn't resist the jab). Here is the output of your program on Solaris 2.5. /tmp:503> cc x.c /tmp:504> a.out Expect 0.00123: 0.00123 Expect 123: 123 Expect 123.5: 123.5 Expect 1e+03: 1e+03 Mark Anenberg , OpenStep Development Team, Sun Microsystems, Inc. [E,NeXT,Mime]Mail: mark@velodrome.com, http://www.velodrome.com/ Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own and in no way represent those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
From: Constantin Szallies <szallies@energotec.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: detachNewThreadSelector... retains its target (?) Date: 4 Oct 1996 08:57:38 GMT Organization: Tech Net GmbH Message-ID: <532ji2$nbs@ddfservb.technet.net> References: <52tcib$22l@isabella.object-factory.com> <52u5fc$h9b@tribune.usask.ca> eric@skatter.USask.Ca wrote: > Here's what I did in my xmodem file transfer object: > >- (void)sendCompletionMessage:(NSString *)message >{ > [completionStatus release]; > completionStatus = message; > [completionStatus retain]; > xmodemThread = [NSThread currentThread]; > [self autorelease]; /* This matches the retain done by dettachThread */ > [xmodemThread exit]; >} Good coding practice would be: Define this somewhere: // There's a bug in NSThread... #define NSTHREAD_EXTRA_RETAIN_BUG - (void)sendCompletionMessage:(NSString *)message { [completionStatus release]; completionStatus = message; [completionStatus retain]; xmodemThread = [NSThread currentThread]; #ifdef NSTHREAD_EXTRA_RETAIN_BUG [self autorelease]; /* This matches the retain done by dettachThread */ #endif [xmodemThread exit]; } This makes maintainance somewhat easier if the bug is fixed by NeXT. You may want to add something like this to the company standard coding rules. -- Constantin Szallies, Energotec GmbH szallies@energotec.de 49211-9144018
From: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Printf %g format still broken in OPENSTEP 4.0 Date: 5 Oct 1996 17:13:08 GMT Organization: Turbocat's Development, Germany Message-ID: <5364v4$34r@turbocat.turbocat.de> References: <52p5vp$1sq@tribune.usask.ca> <32546EB0.3CD6@Eng.Sun.COM> Mark Anenberg <marka@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote: (...) > You could always buy a real Operating system like Solaris and use > Solaris Openstep.... (sorry I couldn't resist the jab). > > Here is the output of your program on Solaris 2.5. (...) alice# cc bla.c -o bla alice# ./bla Expect 0.00123: 0.00123 Expect 123: 123 Expect 123.5: 123.5 Expect 1e+03: 1e+03 alice# echo $OSTYPE NetBSD (I got it in some hours via modem) The source can be found on ftp.NetBSD.org and its mirrors. Maybe NeXT manages to port some of the stuff to the NeXT release. _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Phone +49 33056 82151, Fax +49 33056 82152 (______) dave@turbocat.de (NeXTMail,MIME)
From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Printf %g format still broken in OPENSTEP 4.0 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 6 Oct 1996 04:17:39 GMT Organization: Disorganized Bits Message-ID: <537bt3$uug@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <52p5vp$1sq@tribune.usask.ca> <32546EB0.3CD6@Eng.Sun.COM> Mark Anenberg (marka@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote: : : You could always buy a real Operating system like Solaris and use : Solaris Openstep.... (sorry I couldn't resist the jab). : : Here is the output of your program on Solaris 2.5. : : /tmp:503> cc x.c : /tmp:504> a.out : Expect 0.00123: 0.00123 ... If this is what is needed to become "a real Operating system", then my old Atari had one which was very real. Or cc output has to be called a.out? Sorry, this was not satisfied. --mj
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: netinfo woes--help please--more info Date: 7 Oct 1996 13:13:50 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <53avmf$7c4@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <EmI1MuK00UzxQ27LZ5@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <EmI1MuK00UzxQ27LZ5@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: (rdieter@math.unl.edu): > > Umm... That's odd, because I've had it working successfully for almost 2 > > years here while I've been sysadmin, and we are using both 3.2 and 3.3. > > I WAS careful to put aliases to the old variants of the hostnames in > > NetInfo (just in case). > > Question: in /etc/hostconfig, is 'HOSTNAME' set to a FQDN? Yes. The entry in NetInfo is short, followed by the FQDN (an alias). For the record, the machine is currently NOT running with this configuration. -- Rex Dieter Computer System Manager Department of Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska Lincoln
From: Ludger Solbach <solbach@tu-harburg.d400.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: disk problem Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:49:31 +0100 Organization: TU Hamburg-Harburg Message-ID: <3258EE4B.6366D2A4@tu-harburg.d400.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: ti6ls symptom: ------- For the system and "df" the harddisk looks like providing only 1020 M of disk- space, while fdisk recognizes that the disk actuall got 2064 M. The partition table displayed by fdisk contains zeros only. configuration: ------------- system: NeXT Step 3.3 adaptor and driver: Adaptec 2940 with driver version 3.7 disk: IBM DORS 32160 WA0A5U2F Any help is appreciated. Best wishes, Ludger. -- ------------ Ludger Solbach, AB Technische Informatik VI ------------- | Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg, Germany | | e-mail: Solbach@TU-Harburg.d400.De, Tel.: +49-40-7718-3357 | ---------------- http://www.ti6.tu-harburg.de/~ti6ls -----------------
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: netinfo woes--help please--more info Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:20:22 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4mKIbaG00Uzx820HcK@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <EmI1MuK00UzxQ27LZ5@andrew.cmu.edu> <53avmf$7c4@crcnis3.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <53avmf$7c4@crcnis3.unl.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 7-Oct-96 Re: netinfo woes--help plea.. by Rex Dieter@math.unl.edu > > Question: in /etc/hostconfig, is 'HOSTNAME' set to a FQDN? > > Yes. The entry in NetInfo is short, followed by the FQDN (an alias). Well, I'll try doing exactly that and report back what happens. :-) -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: eric@skatter.USask.Ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Openstep 4.0 printing problems diagnosed Date: 7 Oct 1996 22:56:00 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <53c1q0$e1b@tribune.usask.ca> I figured out why the LaserWriters here were unable to print the PostScript produced by my application. Here's the offending code: %%NXBeginNamedColor: (System) (controlColor) 0.113554 0.007689 0.079487 0 0.666667 0.666667 0.666667 _NXSetCMYKOrRGB %%NXEndNamedColor 2 2 249.5 213 rectfill 0 setgray 2 195 248.5 1 rectfill grestore gsave 0 0 sethalftonephase 2 2 249 193 rectclip [1 0 0 -1 -90 272] concat gsave sethalftonephase is a Display PostScript operator! No wonder the printers choke on it! Like my previous problem (setuseprecisecolors) this one seems to be part of a scrollbar-drawing routine (i.e. the offending commands are from NeXT code). For now, I am working around both problems by adding: /setuseprecisecolor {pop} bind def /sethalftonephase {pop pop} bind def near the beginning of my files before sending them to the printer. This is hardly an adequate solution, though. Anyone out there got a *real* fix for this? Oh yeah, one other thing. My printer log file shows: GothicBBB-Medium.Hankaku not found, using Courier. HeiseiMin-W3.Hankaku not found, using Courier. each time my application prints. What the heck are these and what is requesting them? Certainly nothing in my code. -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory Phone: (306) 966-6308 University of Saskatchewan FAX: (306) 966-6058 Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted.
From: Bernhard Scholz <scholz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Symbios driver broken in OS4.0 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:56:19 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.961008103742.12532A-100000@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I figured out a serious bug in the Symbios Logic SCSI driver supplied with OpenStep 4.0. Because I'm driving a system configuration which I expect is very rare, you probably don't need to worry and it's just nice to know this beast: The bug arised for me with the following hardware: NCR 53C810 Controller. External and internal cabling both activly terminated. Tested with term power from controller/on drive and one end/two drives at both ends to SCSI bus. I figured out two major problems: 1) I connected _only_ an SCSI CDROM to the internal SCSI cable. Aktivly terminated. Harddisks, streamer are external connected. Effect: CD-ROM doesn't get recogniced by CDPlayer. (Seems to send a special SCSI command) but by OmniCD 2) Connected one harddisk additional to the internal SCSI cable with Term Power support. So there is the CD-ROM and one harddisk internal and several other harddisks and streamer external connected. Effect: the CD-ROM get's recognized by CD-Player. Up to now you might think: 'hey what is this guy talking about, these are termination problems, for sure!' It is worse... Termination is correct. If rechecked it a dozen times. The nice thing is, that exactly the same configuration works perfectly with NS3.3!!! Under OS4.0, with config 2) enabled, a serious bug arises: disks are not automounted correctly anymore! Nearly every second loggin some disks get mounted as folders (this means you see a folder instead of a winchester icon). If you don't touch the system and just log out and log in again, there is no sync on the drive during the umount process and Workspace will report 'bad disk. Repair?' for the previously wrong mounted disks. Even worse: in very rare circumstances this can trash several automounted disks, so you can't reboot! (Happened to me once). However if you're doing a mout/umount on the wrong automounted device by hand, everything seems fine again (even the winchester icons occur). One solution therefore is to mount _all_ disks with /etc/fstab entries. It is a bug in the new driver or underlying SCSI system of OS4.0. No problems with NS3.3. It doesn't matter whether the synchronous/wide options are enabled or disabled. It may trash your disks! Does anybody drive a similar system? Greetings, Bernhard. -- Bernhard Scholz (IRC: Boerny) scholzb@pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de http://peanuts.leo.org/ http://www.leo.org/~scholz/
From: mpaque@next.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Openstep 4.0 printing problems diagnosed Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 22:06:34 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <53h7tn$cvj@news2.snfc21.pacbell.net> References: <53c1q0$e1b@tribune.usask.ca> eric@skatter.USask.Ca wrote: >Oh yeah, one other thing. My printer log file shows: >GothicBBB-Medium.Hankaku not found, using Courier. >HeiseiMin-W3.Hankaku not found, using Courier. >each time my application prints. What the heck are these and what is >requesting them? Certainly nothing in my code. That's the font substitution gismology in the PostScript packages. It's sniffing about to see if it should apply a Kanji or European style (Courier...) font substitution for unknown fonts. The log statements are harmless but slightly annoying. Mike Paquette I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
From: root@simtec.imr.mb.uni-siegen.de (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: disk problem Date: 10 Oct 1996 12:55:50 GMT Organization: Computer Center, University of Siegen, Germany Message-ID: <53irom$rhm@si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de> References: <3258EE4B.6366D2A4@tu-harburg.d400.de> Ludger Solbach <solbach@tu-harburg.d400.de> wrote: >symptom: >------- >For the system and "df" the harddisk looks like providing only 1020 M of disk- >space, while fdisk recognizes that the disk actuall got 2064 M. The partition >table displayed by fdisk contains zeros only. > >configuration: >------------- >system: NeXT Step 3.3 >adaptor and driver: Adaptec 2940 with driver version 3.7 >disk: IBM DORS 32160 WA0A5U2F > >Any help is appreciated. If I remeber right, this also happened to me when adding a DORS 31260W to my OS 4.0/mach system. I typed disk -i /dev/rsd1a ..... ??? I thnik it reported something around 1000 MByte then i fdisk'ed it. then: disk -i /dev/rsd1h (yes 'h') and it seems to work.. just don't ask? bye Michael
From: gerry.brush@bioanth.ox.ac.uk (Gerry Brush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Mail App: Reply to plain text message insists on being NeXTMail Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:22:43 GMT Organization: Oxford University Message-ID: <53le6j$hbv@news.ox.ac.uk> Hello, Has anyone seen this, and is it a known bug? One of our users replies to a plain text message using Mail.app but Mail.app insists on making the reply in NeXTMail format. He has `Reply in same format' disabled. Oddly, it only happens for one particular message. Other plain text messages to not produce this result. The behaviour is, move the cursor to the top of the reply, press return and see a triangle appear immediately over the Deliver button. However, the Plain Text icon remains as Plain Text. By cycling through the format button through NeXTMail, MIME and back to plain text does the message actually become Plain Text. Best, -- Gerry Brush Institute of Biological Anthropology Tel: +44 1865 274695 University of Oxford Fax: +44 1865 274699 Oxford OX2 6QS, UK Email: gerry.brush@bioanth.ox.ac.uk
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Mail App: Reply to plain text message insists on being NeXTMail Date: 11 Oct 1996 13:35:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <53liep$q4l@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <53le6j$hbv@news.ox.ac.uk> In article <53le6j$hbv@news.ox.ac.uk> gerry.brush@bioanth.ox.ac.uk (Gerry Brush) writes: >Hello, > >Has anyone seen this, and is it a known bug? I've seen it. I've never reported it, but I would be suprised if others have'nt tripped over this. One of our users replies to a >plain text message using Mail.app but Mail.app insists on making the reply in >NeXTMail format. He has `Reply in same format' disabled. Oddly, it only >happens for one particular message. Other plain text messages to not produce >this result. The behaviour seemed to be consistent for me when I first noticed it. I use the workaround you describe below as a matter of habit so I don't know how consistent the problem actually is at present. The behaviour is, move the cursor to the top of the reply, >press return and see a triangle appear immediately over the Deliver button. >However, the Plain Text icon remains as Plain Text. By cycling through the >format button through NeXTMail, MIME and back to plain text does the message >actually become Plain Text. > Yes, cycling does seem to be a workaround. I've never had anyone complain that they could not read one of my plain text messages after I performed the cycling you describe. >Best, > > >-- >Gerry Brush >Institute of Biological Anthropology Tel: +44 1865 274695 >University of Oxford Fax: +44 1865 274699 >Oxford OX2 6QS, UK Email: gerry.brush@bioanth.ox.ac.uk -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Mail App: Reply to plain text message insists on being NeXTMail Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:08:53 -0700 Organization: The NeXT FTP site at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961011110648.22964A-100000@kira> References: <53le6j$hbv@news.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Gerry Brush <gerry.brush@bioanth.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <53le6j$hbv@news.ox.ac.uk> What is the default format (I'm assuming it is plain text)? Is it causing any problems? (ie if sent, does it appear as NeXTmail at the receiver's end) If you could post the header to a message which causes this behavior, I might be able to offer a guess as to why it happens. Good chance I might be wrong, of course ;-) TjL
From: cdb@thoughtport.com (cdb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: adobe illustrator w/ ADB Date: 13 Oct 1996 16:11:40 GMT Organization: The ThoughtPort Authority, Inc. Message-ID: <53r4bs$mkf@chinx10.thoughtport.net> can anyone tell me why the cursor control keys on my adb keyboard won't work in illustrator 3.0.1? or some way of making them work? i've tried different keyboard setups in preferences, no luck. any "pointers" appreciated. . . chris borden cdb@thoughtport.com
From: Fame@success.net (Walter Brooke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Make Money Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:16:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3262f3dc.23845352@nntp.ix.netcom.com> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I used to think this was a huge joke until I tried it - the "turn $5 >> into $50,000" idea. But after awhile I started to realize "This >> either works or it's a complete scam - but I intend to find out." >> >> Guess what? It works! In only three weeks, I've received $1827!! I >> don't know anyone who couldn't use a extra $1800 do you? And there is >> certainly lots more to come for me - up to $55,000!!! >> >> What about you? You can do it with only $5 and 5 postage stamps >> (that's only $6.60 in the USA - hardly what I call a risky investment >> when you consider the rewards). Everyone who tries this will make >> much, much more than that, so what have you got to loose? $5.00 plus >> postage? Big Deal! >> >> Hopefully you can see that this really does work and you'll read on. >> >> Follow this simple, perfectly legal 3 step procedure and you can't go >> wrong; >> >> ===================================================== >> First Step - Type or write your name and address on 5 separate pieces >> of paper with the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a >> $1 bill or money order in each of the pieces of paper, place them in 5 >> envelopes and mail one to each of the following five addresses: >> >> 1- Robert Knowlton >> PO Box 924 >> Concord, NH 03302-0924 >> >> 2- JCL >> 1313 Wake Forest Dr. #125 >> Davis, CA 95616 >> >> 3- RFP >> 9594 1st Ave, NE, #423 >> Seattle, WA 98115 >> >> 4- Bruce Fuller >> 293 Chestnut ST. >> Chillicothe, OH 45601 >> >> 5- Walter Brooke >> 932 Lake Nora South Dr. Apt.C >> Indianapolis, IN 46240 >> USA >> >> Second Step - Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 >> names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc.) and put your name and address >> as number 5 on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or >> simply editing it in a word processor. >> >> Third Step - Now Post your adjusted article to at least 200 Usenet >> news groups (there are over 20,000 of them). >> >> That's it! You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you >> will start receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more >> newsgroups you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may even >> want to rent a P O Box to handle the volume of mail you're likely to >> receive. >> >> If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as "The >> Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your snail mail address is >> correct! >> >> How does this work? >> >> Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies for >> $5. Ok that may not seem like much but read on.... >> >> Each person who sent you $1 also makes - let's say, only 200 >> additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings. >> >> On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at >> number 4. You make $50. >> >> Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3 or >> 10,000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They make 200 >> postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings = 5 000 >> returns at $1 each = $5 000. >> >> Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER >> 1 and you get a return of $50,000 before you name drops off the list. >> AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total >> income in one cycle = $55,500. >> >> And when you drop off the list - simply start over! >> >> Remember, this only costs Five dollars, 5 postage stamps and some >> online time. So what are you waiting for? >> >> You may be thinking "This has been around a while - What happens if >> the scheme is 'played out" and no one sends me any money"? >> >> Big deal! So you lose $5 - but with hundreds of thousands of new >> people joining the internet every day thats hardly likely to happen. >> >> Remember, follow the instructions and play fair - send those 5 >> one-dollar bills (this process is based on honesty not on cheating on >> the initial investment). Perhaps we'll meet on the beach in Hawaii. >> That is what my $1827 is going towards (I'll have to think about what >> to do with the rest of the $$$$ that is coming my way!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Control: cancel <3262f3dc.23845352@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3262f3dc.23845352@nntp.ix.netcom.com> From: snowhare@xmission.com Sender: Fame@success.net (Walter Brooke) Date: 15 Oct 96 02:47:36 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.3262f3dc.23845352@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Spam Cancellation. Original Subject: Make Money A copy of the original message can be found at <URL:http://www.xmission.com/~snowhare/spam/udp/mmf-action3/845347656.86>
From: John Hue <mlib@inter.net.il> Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM Date: 16 Oct 1996 11:47:13 GMT Organization: Internet Gold Distribution: inet Message-ID: <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you tired of seeing this: Make 100,000$ in a month If so I agree with you. Sure, the above business will make you a few hundred dollars or maybe even a few thousand. But it doesnt live up to its standards. How would you like to REALLY make some money using a proven way? Please take note: THIS IS NOT A MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING BUSINESS. I AM NOT A COMPANY NOR A BUSINESS, I AM A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE YOU. I DO NOT WORK FOR A COMPANY OR BUSINESS AND NON OF THE MONEY I MAKE GOES TO ANY COMPANY OR BUSINESS. I AM NOT SELLING VITAMINS OR LONG DISTANCE SERVICE I am selling you a very simple VERY effective thing: "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret". To be honest, MLM is starting to lose its amazement. Sure, it was great once but there are now so many busnesses out there now that you'll be lucky to make back the money you paid to get in. No one can seem to think of other methods of getting rich, though they try. Because if someone were to find another method the first ones to use it will become rich. So let me tell you that I HAVE FOUND IT. I have found the Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret. It is so amazing that once you see it you will say: "Why didnt I think of that?". I have not yet finished college and I will NEVER WORK AGAIN. I am begining to recieve thousands of dollars and this will continue for a LONG time. I believe, no I dont believe, I KNOW this is better then MLM. MLM can be convincing but this WILL work. And I am giving you the oppurtunity to be one of the first ones to use it. This method has started in the middle of 1996, and once you get the "Secret" you will have 40,000,000 people to to make money off of with it. So are you ready to shove off MLM and watch the money start flowing in? I am offering you a once in a lifetime oppurtunity to be the one of the first people to use this method. And, if you order within 15 days of seeing this, I will give you 100$ off the regular price. So, instead of paying 160$ I am going to give you "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" for ONLY 60$. You cant let this go by. Say GoodBye to MLM, Say goodbye to your debts and say hello to paradise. for 60$ your life will never be the same(in a good way). Ordering Info: Please fill out the application below, and send a US FUNDS CHECK ONLY(no money orders or cash) made out to: Opher Lieber. Please send to the following address: Opher Lieber 26/10 Hertzel St. Kfar Saba 44444 ISRAEL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Order Form Name:____________________ Address:_______________________ City:_________ State/Province:_________ Postal Code:___________ Country:_____________ E-mail*:__________@______________ * - This is the most important. "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" will be sent to you by E-mail. If the E-mail listed is invalid, if the check is invalid or if there is a problem, your check along with a reason will be sent to the name and address listed above. Please Check All That Apply: __I am ordering within 15 days of seeing this Order Form. Please deduct 100$ off the price for a total of 60$. __I Would like to order the "Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret". I have enclosed a check in US funds for _____$(Please send 60$ if the first option is checked and 160$ if it isnt and fill in that amount in this space.) I understand that as soon as you recieve the check I will be sent "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" by E-mail. I also understand that if the check is not in U.S. funds or if there is another problem The check will be returned to the address listed above. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> Date: 16 Oct 1996 20:23:32 GMT Control: cancel <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> Message-ID: <cancel.542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> Sender: John Hue <mlib@inter.net.il> Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 1996116.05. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/1996116.05.html for complete report. Original Subject: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM
From: Little Saint <santino@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:14:14 -0400 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32654216.301A@earthlink.net> References: <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Hue wrote: > > Are you tired of seeing this: > > Make 100,000$ in a month > > If so I agree with you. Sure, the above business will make you a few > hundred dollars or maybe even a few thousand. But it doesnt live up > to its standards. How would you like to REALLY make some money using > a proven way? Please take note: > > THIS IS NOT A MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING BUSINESS. > > I AM NOT A COMPANY NOR A BUSINESS, I AM A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE YOU. > > I DO NOT WORK FOR A COMPANY OR BUSINESS AND NON OF THE MONEY I MAKE > GOES TO ANY COMPANY OR BUSINESS. > > I AM NOT SELLING VITAMINS OR LONG DISTANCE SERVICE > > I am selling you a very simple VERY effective thing: "The Ultimate > MoneyMaking Secret". To be honest, MLM is starting to lose its amazement. > Sure, it was great once but there are now so many busnesses out there now > that you'll be lucky to make back the money you paid to get in. No one > can seem to think of other methods of getting rich, though they try. > Because if someone were to find another method the first ones to use it > will become rich. So let me tell you that I HAVE FOUND IT. > > I have found the Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret. It is so amazing that once > you see it you will say: "Why didnt I think of that?". I have not yet > finished college and I will NEVER WORK AGAIN. I am begining to recieve > thousands of dollars and this will continue for a LONG time. I believe, > no I dont believe, I KNOW this is better then MLM. MLM can be > convincing but this WILL work. And I am giving you the oppurtunity to > be one of the first ones to use it. This method has started in the middle > of 1996, and once you get the "Secret" you will have 40,000,000 people to > to make money off of with it. So are you ready to shove off MLM and watch > the money start flowing in? I am offering you a once in a lifetime > oppurtunity to be the one of the first people to use this method. And, if > you order within 15 days of seeing this, I will give you 100$ off the > regular price. So, instead of paying 160$ I am going to give you "The > Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" for ONLY 60$. You cant let this go by. Say > GoodBye to MLM, Say goodbye to your debts and say hello to paradise. for > 60$ your life will never be the same(in a good way). > > Ordering Info: > Please fill out the application below, and send a US FUNDS CHECK ONLY(no > money orders or cash) made out to: Opher Lieber. Please send to the > following address: > > Opher Lieber > 26/10 Hertzel St. > Kfar Saba 44444 > ISRAEL > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Order Form > > Name:____________________ Address:_______________________ > City:_________ State/Province:_________ Postal Code:___________ > Country:_____________ E-mail*:__________@______________ > > * - This is the most important. "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" will be > sent to you by E-mail. If the E-mail listed is invalid, if the check is > invalid or if there is a problem, your check along with a reason will be > sent to the name and address listed above. > > Please Check All That Apply: > > __I am ordering within 15 days of seeing this Order Form. Please deduct > 100$ off the price for a total of 60$. > > __I Would like to order the "Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret". I have > enclosed a check in US funds for _____$(Please send 60$ if the first > option is checked and 160$ if it isnt and fill in that amount in this > space.) I understand that as soon as you recieve the check I will be > sent "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" by E-mail. I also understand that > if the check is not in U.S. funds or if there is another problem The > check will be returned to the address listed above. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The new "Money Making Secret" wouldn't by any chance be selling the secret for $60 would it? That's old and illegal.
From: stoconno@uiuc.edu (Sean T. O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM Date: 16 Oct 1996 20:21:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: inet Message-ID: <stoconno-1610961522460001@crh1004.urh.uiuc.edu> References: <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> In article <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il>, John Hue <mlib@inter.net.il> wrote: >Are you tired of seeing this: > >Make 100,000$ in a month > >If so I agree with you. Sure, the above business will make you a few >hundred dollars or maybe even a few thousand. But it doesnt live up >to its standards. How would you like to REALLY make some money using >a proven way? Please take note: > >THIS IS NOT A MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING BUSINESS. > >I AM NOT A COMPANY NOR A BUSINESS, I AM A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE YOU. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just have to reply to this bastard: ...NO, YOU ARE SHIT. NEVER, EVER POST TO ANY NEWSGROUP AGAIN. -- -Sean O'Connor stoconno@uiuc.edu _________________________________________________________ Mac users tend to have a 100% benchmark: "It doesn't work _perfectly_." _________________________________________________________ While Windows users tend to have a 0% benchmark: "Something WORKS!"
From: Jesper Lai Petersen <lai@iesd.auc.dk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:27:01 +0200 Organization: Aalborg University (Department of Math & Computer Science) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32655325.74B5@iesd.auc.dk> References: <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John Hue <mlib@inter.net.il> John Hue wrote: > > Are you tired of seeing this: > > Make 100,000$ in a month > > If so I agree with you. Sure, the above business will make you a few > hundred dollars or maybe even a few thousand. But it doesnt live up > to its standards. How would you like to REALLY make some money using > a proven way? Please take note: > > THIS IS NOT A MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING BUSINESS. > > I AM NOT A COMPANY NOR A BUSINESS, I AM A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE YOU. > > I DO NOT WORK FOR A COMPANY OR BUSINESS AND NON OF THE MONEY I MAKE > GOES TO ANY COMPANY OR BUSINESS. > > I AM NOT SELLING VITAMINS OR LONG DISTANCE SERVICE > > I am selling you a very simple VERY effective thing: "The Ultimate > MoneyMaking Secret". To be honest, MLM is starting to lose its amazement. > Sure, it was great once but there are now so many busnesses out there now > that you'll be lucky to make back the money you paid to get in. No one > can seem to think of other methods of getting rich, though they try. > Because if someone were to find another method the first ones to use it > will become rich. So let me tell you that I HAVE FOUND IT. > > I have found the Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret. It is so amazing that once > you see it you will say: "Why didnt I think of that?". I have not yet > finished college and I will NEVER WORK AGAIN. I am begining to recieve > thousands of dollars and this will continue for a LONG time. I believe, > no I dont believe, I KNOW this is better then MLM. MLM can be > convincing but this WILL work. And I am giving you the oppurtunity to > be one of the first ones to use it. This method has started in the middle > of 1996, and once you get the "Secret" you will have 40,000,000 people to > to make money off of with it. So are you ready to shove off MLM and watch > the money start flowing in? I am offering you a once in a lifetime > oppurtunity to be the one of the first people to use this method. And, if > you order within 15 days of seeing this, I will give you 100$ off the > regular price. So, instead of paying 160$ I am going to give you "The > Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" for ONLY 60$. You cant let this go by. Say > GoodBye to MLM, Say goodbye to your debts and say hello to paradise. for > 60$ your life will never be the same(in a good way). > > Ordering Info: > Please fill out the application below, and send a US FUNDS CHECK ONLY(no > money orders or cash) made out to: Opher Lieber. Please send to the > following address: (..deleted..) Yea Right "Do as I did, and soon you will make a fortune" Well fuck off! (this IS a flame) -Jesper
From: womurphy@ix.netcom.com (Shrike) Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Need a rebuttal was: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:43:23 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5446hi$l07@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> <32654216.301A@earthlink.net> Little Saint <santino@earthlink.net> wrote: I started writing and collecting answers to the make money schemes that have been appearing unappreciated on the net. Clearly this is one area where the creative writing of ng participants has excelled. If one of these has driven you to a new level of frustration copy me on the reply. At some point I am going to publish a top ten. womurphy@ix.netcom.com >John Hue wrote: >> >> Are you tired of seeing this: >> >> Make 100,000$ in a month >> >> If so I agree with you. Sure, the above business will make you a few >> hundred dollars or maybe even a few thousand. But it doesnt live up >> to its standards. How would you like to REALLY make some money using >> a proven way? Please take note: >> >> THIS IS NOT A MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING BUSINESS. >> >> I AM NOT A COMPANY NOR A BUSINESS, I AM A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE YOU. >> >> I DO NOT WORK FOR A COMPANY OR BUSINESS AND NON OF THE MONEY I MAKE >> GOES TO ANY COMPANY OR BUSINESS. >> >> I AM NOT SELLING VITAMINS OR LONG DISTANCE SERVICE >> >> I am selling you a very simple VERY effective thing: "The Ultimate >> MoneyMaking Secret". To be honest, MLM is starting to lose its amazement. >> Sure, it was great once but there are now so many busnesses out there now >> that you'll be lucky to make back the money you paid to get in. No one >> can seem to think of other methods of getting rich, though they try. >> Because if someone were to find another method the first ones to use it >> will become rich. So let me tell you that I HAVE FOUND IT. >> >> I have found the Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret. It is so amazing that once >> you see it you will say: "Why didnt I think of that?". I have not yet >> finished college and I will NEVER WORK AGAIN. I am begining to recieve >> thousands of dollars and this will continue for a LONG time. I believe, >> no I dont believe, I KNOW this is better then MLM. MLM can be >> convincing but this WILL work. And I am giving you the oppurtunity to >> be one of the first ones to use it. This method has started in the middle >> of 1996, and once you get the "Secret" you will have 40,000,000 people to >> to make money off of with it. So are you ready to shove off MLM and watch >> the money start flowing in? I am offering you a once in a lifetime >> oppurtunity to be the one of the first people to use this method. And, if >> you order within 15 days of seeing this, I will give you 100$ off the >> regular price. So, instead of paying 160$ I am going to give you "The >> Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" for ONLY 60$. You cant let this go by. Say >> GoodBye to MLM, Say goodbye to your debts and say hello to paradise. for >> 60$ your life will never be the same(in a good way). >> >> Ordering Info: >> Please fill out the application below, and send a US FUNDS CHECK ONLY(no >> money orders or cash) made out to: Opher Lieber. Please send to the >> following address: >> >> Opher Lieber >> 26/10 Hertzel St. >> Kfar Saba 44444 >> ISRAEL >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The Order Form >> >> Name:____________________ Address:_______________________ >> City:_________ State/Province:_________ Postal Code:___________ >> Country:_____________ E-mail*:__________@______________ >> >> * - This is the most important. "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" will be >> sent to you by E-mail. If the E-mail listed is invalid, if the check is >> invalid or if there is a problem, your check along with a reason will be >> sent to the name and address listed above. >> >> Please Check All That Apply: >> >> __I am ordering within 15 days of seeing this Order Form. Please deduct >> 100$ off the price for a total of 60$. >> >> __I Would like to order the "Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret". I have >> enclosed a check in US funds for _____$(Please send 60$ if the first >> option is checked and 160$ if it isnt and fill in that amount in this >> space.) I understand that as soon as you recieve the check I will be >> sent "The Ultimate MoneyMaking Secret" by E-mail. I also understand that >> if the check is not in U.S. funds or if there is another problem The >> check will be returned to the address listed above. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The new "Money Making Secret" wouldn't by any chance be selling the secret for $60 >would it? That's old and illegal.
From: frontier@fii.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: 2Mx32 60ns $34.00 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:08:51 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Anaheim, CA Message-ID: <543pig$cok@news05.deltanet.com> Hi there, I am the Marketing Manager of Frontier Industrial, I would like to let you know of special that we have on 8 MB SIMMS. I can offer you 2MX32 60ns modules @ $34.00 per piece. VARS, DEALERS, DISTRIBUTORS, & SYSTEM INTEGRATORS ONLY PLEASE Frontier Industrial http://www.fii.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: frontier@fii.com Date: 17 Oct 1996 10:02:01 EDT Control: cancel <543pig$cok@news05.deltanet.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <543pig$cok@news05.deltanet.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: <cancel.543pig$cok@news05.deltanet.com> Spam/MMF cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was 2Mx32 60ns $34.00
From: trombino@wendy.ucsd.edu (Mark Trombino) Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.intel.ipsc310,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.m88k,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.scitech,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM Date: 17 Oct 1996 17:10:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <545pai$po@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <542i01$3g5@dns2.inter.net.il> <32655325.74B5@iesd.auc.dk> [spam deleted] I find it hard to believe that people who spam these newsgroups actually read them. So why do people respond by posting back to the newsgroups, sometimes with the original post quoted in full? Seems to just add more clutter.... -- Mark Trombino mtrombin@ix.netcom.com (NEXTMail, MIME Mail okay)
From: bchin@us.net (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Accent character doesn't work Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:33:58 GMT Organization: US Net, Incorporated Message-ID: <545u6m$lt7@news.us.net> The accent character with the horizontal bar across the top doesn't work as advertised (see pg 12&13 in the Power Tips manual on type accented characters). That is, when I type <Alternate-Shift-e>, the accent bar prints immediately instead of waiting for the next character. I want an i with a horizontal bar accent. <Alternate-e>, <i> does work and prints an i with the proper accent mark. This behavior is in NS 3.3 and OS-Mach-4.0. Is there a workaround? Thanks! -- Bill Chin - bchin@us.net - NeXTmail/MIME welcomed
From: peter@pisi.select-tech.si (Peter Levart) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: SPARC4 & 5 with NS3.3 - freezing Date: 17 Oct 1996 21:16:50 GMT Organization: SELECT Technology Message-ID: <5467o2$h1p@ned.select-tech.si> Keywords: sparc, sparc4, sparc5, freezing Hello! Is there anyone who experienced the same problems? We are administering a site with approximately 40 SPARCstation 4s & 5s, running NEXTSTEP 3.3 with 3.3 Patch1 and 3.3 Patch1 Addendum installed (using ImprovedDNS). Machines are equipped with at least 32 Mb of RAM. They have at least 1Gb hard disks with plenty of swapspace. We are observing two problems: 1. A small number of hosts (as far as we have observed, only some SPARCstation 4 machines have this problem) experience unexpected automatic log-outs with a message in the console: Oct 6 20:45:18 zunanja7 loginwindow[393]: bootstrap_register failed -102 2. Virtually all hosts (SPARC 4s & 5s) freeze from time to time (1 or 2 every day). This usually happens during the night, when nobody is using the machines, or during the normal usage. No error messages get logged to /var/adm/messages or /tmp/console.log and it is impossible to reboot a machine after it freezes. The Stop-A combination doesn't work. The machine has to be switched off and on again. - Are the problems hardware or software related? - If they are software related, are there any patches or workarrounds? - If they are software related, can they be eliminated by upgrading to OPENSTEP 4.0? Thank you for your answers. With best regards, Peter Levart -- Peter Levart - SELECT Technology mailto:peter@select-tech.si http://www.select-tech.si phone: +386 61 1319244 fax: +386 61 1315047 Technology mailto:peter@select-tech.si http://www.select-tech.si phone: +386 61 1319244 fax: +386 61 1315047
From: lionel@cyberlab.ch (Lionel Tinguely) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Floppy Drive problem !! Date: 21 Oct 1996 16:08:57 GMT Organization: SWITCH, Swiss Academic & Research Network Message-ID: <54g76p$e3b@scsing.switch.ch> Hello all ! Since I upgraded from NS3.3 to OpenStep 4.0 I can not use the floppy drive to read an write NeXT floppies ! Is there a patch !! LiONEL -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CYBERLaB NeTWORK<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< lionel@cyberlab.ch (MiME & NeXTmail WELCOME !!) Tel: +41 (0)21 623.66.10 http://www.cyberlab.ch Fax: +41 (0)21 626.40.00 Ask for or my PGP public key ------------------------------------------------------- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence E.W. Dijkstra Teaching C++ should be sentenced to life imprisonment Me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc3.nerc.com> Message-ID: <199610230237.WAA06012@nerc3.nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@nerc3.nerc.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:37:47 -0400 Subject: kern_loader sucking CPU, kill -TTIN fixes Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com NS 3.2 m68k Every now and again (ie 1/30 logins after a reboot, especially if 'fsck' runs) I log in and kern_loader is sucking all the available CPU. The machine crawls along, KPerfMon is totally black. I decided to see what I could do to get it to fix itself without rebooting again. the PID was 3 This seems to have solved the problem: kill -TTIN 3 (it might have been TSTP, but I think it was TTIN). Can anyone explain WHY this might have cured it? kern_loader is still running, hours later, and everything is fine. KPerfMon went immediately down to normal when this happened. I mention this because others have told me they had the same problem in the past. [Brief history: I had logged out and went to reboot just to clean the swapfile. The machine locked up and I had to do a hard reboot. I logged back in and this happened.] Thanks TjL
From: stefan.boehringer@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Stefan Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Restart in DOS does not work Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:35:51 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <54ogen$t8k@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Did anybody manage to get the "Restart in DOS" Button to work properly in NS3.3 (login panel)? I installed Windows095 after NeXTStep and reinstalled the Next bootblock afterwards. TIA Stefan
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Restart in DOS does not work Date: 24 Oct 1996 21:15:14 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <54om92$lpl@news.next.com> References: <54ogen$t8k@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Stefan Boehringer writes > Did anybody manage to get the "Restart in DOS" Button to work properly > in NS3.3 (login panel)? > I installed Windows095 after NeXTStep and reinstalled the Next > bootblock afterwards. > > TIA > > Stefan It only works on "some" PC's, due to the rather strange technique used to store the "boot in DOS" flag... -Mark -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Restart in DOS does not work Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:31:58 -0700 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961024202933.1538B-100000@kira> References: <54ogen$t8k@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> <54om92$lpl@news.next.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Mark Bessey <Mark_Bessey@next.com> In-Reply-To: <54om92$lpl@news.next.com> Return-Receipt-To: luomat@nerc.com > > It only works on "some" PC's, due to the rather strange technique used > to store the "boot in DOS" flag... Any clues on how one can tell whether or not a system will do it? TjL, dreading the day when an Intel will rest on his desk...
From: stefan.boehringer@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Stefan Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Problem 24-bit-pcx in Omniimage Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:36:13 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <54ogfd$t8v@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Opening a 24-bit-scanned PCX-image from the DOS-world with Omniimage yields system breakdown due to paging (P133/32MB). Earlier I learned of a dwrite which can limit the maximal Window depth. Can anybody refresh my mind or give another hint to circumvent the problem? TIA Stefan
From: dwy@mcny.com (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Restart in DOS does not work Date: 26 Oct 1996 18:46:07 GMT Organization: Media Connection of New York, Inc. Message-ID: <54tm9f$qim@alice.walrus.com> References: <54ogen$t8k@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Stefan Boehringer (stefan.boehringer@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote: : Did anybody manage to get the "Restart in DOS" Button to work properly in : NS3.3 (login panel)? : I installed Windows095 after NeXTStep and reinstalled the Next bootblock : afterwards. Eh? I run 3.3, and I don't have a Restart in DOS button. -- # david young: network engineer+oop developer # net: dwy@mcny.com, dwy@ace.net (NeXTmail ok) web: http://www.ace.net/ # vox: 212.686.3845 201.798.5217 fax: 212.686.3856
From: bdm@xp.psych.nyu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Legal Size paper in Next Laser Date: 26 Oct 1996 22:32:11 GMT Organization: New York University Message-ID: <54u3hb$9tc@news.nyu.edu> When I try to print a legal size document (portrait or landscape) with several Apps (preview, pasteup, diagram etc), my Next Laser systematically crops off the first 3 inches. Does anyone have a solution for this? Brian -- Brian McElree <bdm@xp.psych.nyu.edu> NeXT Mail <bdm@vayu.psych.nyu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: terry@modesty.com Subject: *PP{ >>dbHOT TECHNOLOGIES AND FREE STUFF@'NS(W A^ Message-ID: <a1b7cc$df1d.223@nntphost.bbsi.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:15:29 GMT The Men's Club - http://www.mens-club.com/ - Hot Technologies - FREE Stuff - Exclusive Products - Health Resources - Image and Graphics Libraries Men and Women 18+ Are Welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs From: terry@modesty.com Subject: cancel: *PP{ >>dbHOT TECHNOLOGIES AND FREE STUFF@'NS(W A^ Message-ID: <cancel.a1b7cc$df1d.223@nntphost.bbsi.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:15:29 GMT Control: cancel <a1b7cc$df1d.223@nntphost.bbsi.net> Spam killing
From: steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (Steven Trainoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Mail.app on NS 3.3 crashes on some MIME messages. Date: 28 Oct 1996 20:21:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Message-ID: <5534jo$go0@yuggoth.ucsb.edu> I have been experiencing crashes of Mail.app when sending some MIME messages. The following message causes reproducable crashes. In the system console is the message: [Mail: Caught signal #11; terminating safely] Signal 11 is a segmentation violation. The problem occurs on both Intel and NeXT hardware. begin 644 MailCrasher.rtf.gz M'XL("`43=3("`TUA:6Q#<F%S:&5R+G)T9@"%5$N.PC`,W?<43VS8A"@MA0%Q MB+F`-^63`:D45#J:2(B[#PT4\G%F6-3/(7;LY\^5VDXKJIK+X4KZU'3=NB9= MD#Z>MKNVP>>^UI?5+:-S==ZU/\M%J9YX?X=W?*S:KSHOGJBUZ%RU6^I,GI?J M+HJIZL6TM%HYM]KL8]Z+^=)J"V6U96&U7$VMFN>S0O7!K!4=%'W7S:G9D;X4 M)>F-HHU6,(\?'#%\AO^<4P_X5I11EO6^'SXGT:TW`/NB=V+,.'7=>=\_\((W M068")I$`?#\)!R\C"<,2P+QI?;ILOK%,Q@>3R,`)4L0Q(Y!>H."YXLL046\8 MZF&2+@585Y(U#MD%GW#*+N1V0(CZ9A2X$Z,H1QEU%F,J/**M%S"$P*\EW].# M)N/^";L04<>"&RK/2"(UL>#H!SL0'COAI+TNB%0TW`/X8]^$YV'H3.K\>I"O M?50BV6#@=]*89P"Q(?QBL:-NPA&('?;`V9W/L-T6?^!)7$V_L^(E+0(6$^O\ ;GRH*)-8YXLY"O+28L1Z*E-VR7^_=TPE"!P`` ` end -- ...STeve ------------------------------------ Insert pithy maxim here... steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (NeXT mail, MIME mail welcome)
From: "Mark Bessey" <MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Restart in DOS does not work Date: 29 Oct 1996 18:57:07 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbc5cc$959aefe0$3e031281@bananajr> References: <54ogen$t8k@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> <54om92$lpl@news.next.com> <Pine.SUN.3.95.961024202933.1538B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote in article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961024202933.1538B-100000@kira>... > > > > It only works on "some" PC's, due to the rather strange technique used > > to store the "boot in DOS" flag... > > > Any clues on how one can tell whether or not a system will do it? > > TjL, dreading the day when an Intel will rest on his desk... > > I was just looking at the relevant part of the kernel...If I can find it again, maybe I'll post a simple test. -Mark
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