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[WARNING: THE JPEGS IN THIS MESSAGE HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO GIF. Click to download the originals] Content-Type: application/x-nextmail MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v116.1) From: Bill Bumgarner <bbum@friday.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 95 22:53:31 -0600 To: Bruce Gingery <bgingery@Wyoming.COM> Subject: Re: Your message of Wed, 8 Feb 95 20:18:34 -0700 cc: WebStep@mail.xent.caltech.edu Reply-To: bbum@friday.com X-A: I ride tandem with the random... X-B: ...things don't run the way I plan them. # With the current Unisys/Compu$erve lock on .gif format, we are # going to see a LOT of variation in inlined images, of whatever # style, that use the LZW compression algorithm. # # I'd suggest that the WebStep group allow the .gif and .xbm # which are currently in such widespread use, but promulgate jpg # compressed tiffs as a replacement standard. The TIFF encapsulated JPEG "standard" is not terribly standard and is still up for some debate. The Independent JPEG group provides excellent, highly portable jpeg compression/decompression tools (OmniImageFilter and PBMImageFilter use this library; PBMImageFilter uses the UNIX executables - OIF uses the library). Basically every platform can read/write/image the JPEG group's file format. The latest version can be found at: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg > ... I, too, would like to move the WebStep community past > GIF, but that's not a practical vision for the Web as a > whole. Also, I doubt jpeg is the right answer for imaged > text (even in lossless mode). # I agree that raw jpg/jpeg are not, but the tiff spec has # plenty of room for specification of overlay text. Interestingly, loss of quality isn't a problem with text -- it is more a problem of lack of compression. I have enclosed some examples; I hope no one is going to shoot more for bandwidth usage. I took a small cutting from a terminal window containing the man page for cjpeg and compressed it using the shown commands. The resulting sizes were: -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 140630 Feb 8 22:40 text.ppm -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 7616 Feb 8 22:39 text.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 9961 Feb 8 22:40 text_25.jpeg -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 18689 Feb 8 22:40 text_default.jpeg This is the result text_default.jpeg (you will either need to convert this by hand or have OmniImageFilter/PBMFilter installed): 'Tis a bit fuzzy, but still perceptable. With a pure black and white image, it looks nearly identical to the original: but the compression ratios are even more depressing: -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 137171 Feb 8 22:44 bw_text.ppm -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 4676 Feb 8 22:43 bw_text.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 10153 Feb 8 22:44 bw_text_25.jpeg -rw-r--r-- 1 bbum wheel 18263 Feb 8 22:44 bw_text_default.jpeg ----- I haven't had a chance to play with wavelet compression, but it allows for progressive refinement; the longer you wait, the clearer the picture (it is a natural result of the algorithm, so there need not be any added tricks). Fractal compression looks promising, but I have yet to find any encoders/decoders that are commonly available. Of course, for either of these algorithms to be acceptable in an inherently cross-platform environment such as the web, they will have to undergo considerable evolution. ----- For text and such, it seems that lempel-ziv is currently the best solution. Are there any commonly understood, non-patent-abused formats that encapsulate lzw compression available? [wouldn't it be great to simply have gzip available as filter for any data on the system -- just point it at the contents of an image and -- allakazam -- you have a gzip --best compressed image; or some other, superior algorithm] b.bum
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