#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Bessey" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Copying of NSTTextFields Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:11:06 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <76rla2$bem$1@news.apple.com> References: <368a29ce.1250869@news.btx.dtag.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: bananajr-n.apple.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30211 It's not your mistake. It's a bug in NSTextField. A lot of the AppKit classes don't properly implement things like copyWithZone:, encodeWithCoder:, and initWithCoder: This is kind of a pain, but since most programs use InterfaceBuilder to build their User Interface, it doesn't ten= d to be as much of a problem as you might expect. You might find that using an NSMatrix works better, depending on what you'r= e trying to accomplish. -Mark ---------- In article <368a29ce.1250869@news.btx.dtag.de>, Thomas_Richter@t-online.de (Thomas Richter) wrote: >I tried to copy a NSTextField under OPENSTEP 4.2 >[(NSTextField *)textfield copy], >but without success. >I got an error message like this >[NSTextField copyWithZone:] not recognized (iplemented?) >or so on. > >Copying not implemented by NSTextFields? >What=B4s my mistake ? > >Thanks for any help > >Thomas > >-------------------------- >Thomas Richter >Geiststrasse 56 >06108 Halle, Germany >Thomas_Richter@t-online.de >-------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news.megsinet.net!aol.com From: RajLamba@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: floppy drives hard drives 80050 Date: Monday, 04 Jan 1999 21:14:45 -0600 Organization: MegsInet, Inc. - Low Cost, High Performance Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <04019921.1445@aol.com> Reply-To: RajLamba@aol.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.229.131 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30212 Hello I have some 36bit 600x1200 scanners that i want to sell. Along with vidoe cards netwoking few other things you can see the list of things i have at http://members.xoom.com/RajLamba/comp.htm copy and paste the address. You are welcome to make an offer to me on any of those prices I will try my best to do whatever i can for you Thank you. Raj 03C #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!master.news.rcn.net!asmang From: asmang@NOSPAMmail.wm.edu (Arun Mangalam) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OSX , Objective C & web programming Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:17:58 -0500 Organization: College of William & Mary Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <75vamp$5pe@slip.net> <1dl8giu.y1eolq1q5f2cwN@ascend-tk-p54.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <369423C4.93FE21EB@ciemed.nus.edu.sg> <1dl8ws5.7q5xlqski16oN@ascend-tk-p6.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <36951C21.A0AD7C9B@psca.com> <3695c5fd.0@news.guernsey.net> X-Trace: C18KQAy+nPjZRGyQT5KeDX25tYDt6YfgNLMwE/QpNck= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 1999 15:18:13 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:35110 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32611 comp.sys.next.programmer:30219 In article <3695c5fd.0@news.guernsey.net>, "Damien Guard" wrote: > >ONE NOTE OF CLARIFICATION: When one mentions Intel and PPC their are > >two distinct forks in the road regarding Intel. The first that will be > >supported for along time to come is Yellow Box/WebObjects for Windows > >NT. The second is the native release of MacOS X Server for Intel > >Processors. Apple has already said they are committed to releasing > >MacOS X Server 1.0 Customer Release 1 (CR1) on Intel. Now it is their > >perogative to readdress this if it is in their best business interest > >NOT to release it. I am for better or for worse am not too concerned. > >With a world class Server Operating System running on world class PPC > >Hardware at prices Consumers can afford absolutely astounds me. > > Some of us are currently happy with their (Intel) hardware and need to run > some > Windows based apps. > > *However* if Apple release OSX Server on Intel after a few months I may find > that > my switching to Windows reduces as I find OSX alternatives. Eventually (I > am a developer after all) > I may find that I spend all my time in OSX. > > If that became the case then when it was time to upgrade my hardware I'd > have no > reservation about getting a nice fast, good looking blue/white G3 box. > > As it is at the moment I'm not prepared to spend $3000 on a new machine and > $995 on an OS > to find out that in fact it does/doesn't suit me and leave it in a corner > while I plod along on > my Intel box. > > [)amien Why the $3000? Aren't the new machine's base price supposed to be below $2000, somewhere around $1500 I heard. $2500 For the whole deal doesn't sound too bad to me, considering that I get WebObjects and all the rest of YellowBox goodies... I guess everyone to their own. I just hope Apple starts supporting Powerbooks, because those machines are fast... #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news.graphics.cornell.edu!news From: westin*nospam@graphics.cornell.edu (Stephen H. Westin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OSX , Objective C & web programming Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 08 Jan 1999 12:35:14 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics Lines: 39 Sender: westin@BRANCUSI Message-ID: References: <75vamp$5pe@slip.net> <1dl8giu.y1eolq1q5f2cwN@ascend-tk-p54.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <369423C4.93FE21EB@ciemed.nus.edu.sg> <1dl8ws5.7q5xlqski16oN@ascend-tk-p6.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <36951C21.A0AD7C9B@psca.com> <3695c5fd.0@news.guernsey.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: brancusi.graphics.cornell.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:35113 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32612 comp.sys.next.programmer:30220 asmang@NOSPAMmail.wm.edu (Arun Mangalam) writes: > In article <3695c5fd.0@news.guernsey.net>, "Damien Guard" > wrote: > > As it is at the moment I'm not prepared to spend $3000 on a new machine and > > $995 on an OS > > to find out that in fact it does/doesn't suit me and leave it in a corner > > while I plod along on > > my Intel box. > > > > [)amien > > Why the $3000? Aren't the new machine's base price supposed to be below > $2000, somewhere around $1500 I heard. $2500 For the whole deal doesn't > sound too bad to me, considering that I get WebObjects and all the rest of > YellowBox goodies... I guess everyone to their own. I just hope Apple > starts supporting Powerbooks, because those machines are fast... But the point is that $2500 constitutes a real commitment for most of us; if Apple allowed people to run OS/X on their Intel boxes for a much lower price, it might just entice more customers into the camp, possibly increasing Apple hardware sales as well. Especially at currently Intel-only shops; it's probably a lot easier to hide/justify a couple hundred dollars and a disk drive for a dual boot than to buy a whole new box just to be able to demonstrate the wonders of NeXTStep/OpenStep/OS-X. Think of it as the thin end of the wedge. Right now I'm typing this on an NT machine; there would be no problem with management if I decided to load Linux or OS/X on a separate partition, but there's no real chance of replacing it with Apple hardware. -- -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. #################################################################### From: Christian Neuss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: WebObjects 4 questions Date: 8 Jan 1999 16:36:22 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Darmstadt Lines: 20 Message-ID: <775c66$sql$1@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de> References: Reply-To: neuss.nos-pam@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nos-pam NNTP-Posting-Host: piripiri.pi.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.uni-weimar.de!news.booms-edv.de!news-out2.newsnerds.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!not-for-mail Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30221 "cleong" wrote: >I need to deploy a big new website and am looking at developing with >WebObjects 4 on NT and deploying WebObjects 4 on Solaris on a Sun Enterprise >Server with an as-of-yet undetermined database. I have a couple of >questions that I am hoping can be answered by someone with firsthand >experience with this particular deployment. > >1. Which databases (Oracle, Sybase, Informix, etc.) are you happy with? What >problems are you experiencing? What do you recommend considering this web >will be database access intensive? Oracle is fast. Sybase is stable, and has documentation that is accurate. Thankfully, EOF shields you from most of that, so once you get your database installed (can be a pain under Solaris), you should be fine with either system. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: techfest@mitra.cse.iitb.ernet.in Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer,comp.os.os2.programmer Subject: Online Programming Contest Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:27:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <775m7h$ju1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.1.114.22 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 08 19:27:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.11.00 9000/802) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 Nobody (CERN-HTTPD/3.0A), 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 196.1.114.22 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.newton.programmer:27046 comp.sys.next.programmer:30222 Fellow programmers, We, at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay, are proud to inform you of _Oracle Hello World Wide Web_, the grand-prelude to Techfest'99, the technology festival of India. Oracle Hello World Wide Web invites programmers and hackers from all over the world to pit their skills against each other in a battle for programming supremacy! This is a synchronous algorithm-intensive programming contest scheduled for Saturday, January 23, 1999 and all you have to do to participate is register online at http://bart.aero.psu.edu/~techfest or http://www.directi.com/techfest or http://www.iitb.ernet.in/techfest REGISTER NOW! and win special prizes from Oracle. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!blackbush.xlink.net!news.think.de!news.mayn.franken.de!wuff.mayn.de!sun1.swin.baynet.de!chico.franken.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!shelob.afs.com!news From: "Greg Anderson" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:08:01 -0500 Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <776h99$r0r@shelob.afs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-204-148.s21.as5.kgp.erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:116992 comp.sys.next.programmer:30223 cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote in message ... >What am I missing? Dr Prabhakar, where are you? I regret to inform you that Ernie seems to have been assimilated. (I had feared that might happen when he took the position.) As Winnie-The-Pooh might say, "You never can tell with Reality Distortion Fields." Greg #################################################################### From: cleric@yale.graduate.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Date: 9 Jan 1999 02:40:28 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.121.172 X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.vossnet.de!news.planetc.com!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.ecn.ou.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!cleric Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:116993 comp.sys.next.programmer:30224 Hi, If you haven't read Scott Anguish's editorial on the price of MacOSX Server, go point your web browser at http://www.stepwise.com/SpecialCoverage/MacWorldExpo-99-SF/highcost.html Briefly, there's a large problem with MOSXS's pricing schedule--you can't run Yellow Box apps on a machine that doesn't have a $1000 operating system on it. When Apple points out that the $995 price allows an unlimited number of clients to connect, they don't emphasize that they mean machines running MacOS 8, *not* MacOSX Server. Apple has been strongly encouraging developers to write Yellow Box apps, and now we find ourselves in the bizzare situation that the only reasonably priced mechanism for deploying those apps might be to use Windows NT/98 for clients! Apple makes most of its money from hardware sales, but in this particular case, they're actively discouraging people from buying large numbers of Macs to put on peoples' desks. I propose a slightly modified version of Scott Anguish's idea. Apple should produce a release of MacOSX Server specifically to allow Yellow Box apps to run on client machines. It could have all the developer tools removed, no net-booting capabilities, and most importantly, the inability to boot on its own--it would require the presence of a machine running a full (ie., $1000) version of MacOSX Server on the local network to run. Although I'm no NetInfo jock, this doesn't strike me as likely to be difficult to implement--it's just turning off existing functionality. Such a "MacOSX Server Client" OS wouldn't hurt MOSXS sales. In fact, it would increase them, since rather few people are willing to spend $1000 for a full copy of MOSXS on each client. I'd be perfectly happy if it were kept hush-hush to avoid "confusing the masses." Apple's Education division has products of its own that only they can sell through their own channels (the G3 All-in-one, the eMate, etc). Why can't Apple Enterprise? What am I missing? Dr Prabhakar, where are you? -- Dr John Kuszewski KGB Software Corp #################################################################### From: nurban@crib.corepower.com (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Date: 8 Jan 1999 21:55:37 -0500 Organization: InSystems Technologies, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <776gf9$27i$1@crib.corepower.com> References: Reply-To: nurban@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: e115024.vtacs.com X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 915850544 13208 208.138.115.24 (9 Jan 1999 02:55:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 1999 02:55:44 GMT Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.vossnet.de!news.planetc.com!leto.backbone.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:116997 comp.sys.next.programmer:30225 In article , cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote: > Apple has been strongly encouraging developers to write Yellow Box apps, It has? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!kwon!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!dfevans From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Date: 9 Jan 1999 04:30:22 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 15 Message-ID: <915856222.353818@watserv5.uwaterloo.ca> References: <776h99$r0r@shelob.afs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watserv5.uwaterloo.ca Cache-Post-Path: watserv5.uwaterloo.ca!unknown@bcr11.uwaterloo.ca Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117004 comp.sys.next.programmer:30226 In article <776h99$r0r@shelob.afs.com>, Greg Anderson wrote: >cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote in message ... >>What am I missing? Dr Prabhakar, where are you? > >I regret to inform you that Ernie seems to have been assimilated. Sad to se Dr. Ernie "go". I wonder if all "insider" ex-NeXTers have done likewise? I have a hunch not... -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news.ndh.net!news.seicom.net!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!gmd.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!newsfeed.metronet.de!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: scott@nospam.doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: In-reply-to: cleric@yale.graduate.net's message of 9 Jan 1999 02:40:28 GMT Date: 9 Jan 99 00:26:24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.79.56.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.pbi.net 915875974 209.79.56.105 (Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:59:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:59:34 PDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117014 comp.sys.next.programmer:30227 In article , cleric@yale.graduate.net writes: Apple has been strongly encouraging developers to write Yellow Box apps, and now we find ourselves in the bizzare situation that the only reasonably priced mechanism for deploying those apps might be to use Windows NT/98 for clients! Do you know something I don't know? The only deployment platform I'm aware of is OpenStep4.2/NT, and that's pretty marginal from a "reasonably priced" standpoint. The only YellowBox/NT that I'm aware of is in WebObjects4.0/NT, and so far as I'm aware WebObjects doesn't contain a license for deploying the YellowBox/NT portion. Later, -- scott hess (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!news-fra.pop.de!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!nntp.abs.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: eggs@user2.teleport.com (eggs 3D Images) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: FlatFile adaptor works with EOF, not with WebObjects Organization: Teleport Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <778rtg$hi0$1@user2.teleport.com> Date: 9 Jan 1999 16:23:12 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.108.254.12 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 915927809 192.108.254.12 (Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:23:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:23:29 PDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30228 I'm in the process of learning WebObjects, but I can't get the Database example to execute with the EOF FlatFile Adaptor. The adaptor works fine with the dedicated EOF examples, but not with WebObjects. The WebObjects Database Wizard successfully uses the FlatFile adaptor to build the model, but here's the output in the browser when attempting to execute the application: Application: WO_Work/Movies Error: NSGenericException exception Reason: : Cannot initialize because: Errors initializing component 'Main' from archive file: classForAdaptorNamed:: Unable to load the bundle for the adaptor named FlatFile. The possible cause for this error are: the adaptor executable cannot be dynamicly linked into your application, you are on PDO and have not linked the adaptor into your application, or the adaptor executable is not present on your host. Here's the error in the console: Jan 9 16:16:38 green WODefaultApp[2481]: : NSGenericException exception occurred while handling request: Any ideas? Simple, non-EOF WebObjects examples work fine... WebObjects is 3.1, and EOF is 2.1, on black hardware. Scott #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <3142915339621@digifix.com> Date: 10 Jan 1999 04:45:03 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 327 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <6325915944426@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117059 comp.sys.next.announce:4869 comp.sys.next.hardware:35741 comp.sys.next.software:35135 comp.sys.next.misc:29200 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32613 comp.sys.next.bugs:5010 comp.sys.next.programmer:30229 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Rhapsody Developer Release Site http://gemma.apple.com/rhapsody/rhapdev/rhapsody.html These pages are focused on tools and resources you need to develop great Rhapsody software products.. Rhapsody Developer Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/rhapsody/rhapsody.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### From: mentifex@scn.org (Mentifex) Subject: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Organization: The Mindmaker Project : www.scn.org/~mentifex/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer References: <36981b3c.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> X-Priority: 1 (Challenge) Message-ID: <3698d2f9.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> Date: 10 Jan 99 16:19:05 GMT Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!news.victoria.tc.ca!199.60.222.3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14931 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27053 comp.sys.next.programmer:30230 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110189 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8645 Using any viable language to code the minimal pdaimind: /^^^^^^^^^^^\ Mind-grid Arrays{ } in Robot PDAI /^^^^^^^^^^^\ /visual memory\ _________ / auditory \ | /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory | | | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ | | ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | | | /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | | | / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| | | \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / | | \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ | Checklist of steps in coding or porting the PDAIMIND ___ Step 001: In your intended programming language, first make sure that the language will permit you to write a never-ending program that endlessly performs its own computations while only occasionally or periodically checking for input from a human user or from another AI. ___ Step 002: Familiarize yourself with the information flow in the mind-diagram above. ___ Step 003: Create a Web page where you will release each new level of PDAI functionality for the benefit of history and of other individuals working in your target programming language. ___ Step 004: Write some code for getting the input of ASCII characters from the keyboard. Although AI programs which go beyond the basic, minimal pdaimind will need to use speech recognition for the input of actual phonemes of continuous human speech, the pdaimind as an example for other AI programs will make do with simple keyboard text-entry. The http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth AUDITION Screen #9 shows an implementation in Forth with Comments on AUDITION Scr #9 available to show how audition is handled. ___ Step 005: Directly from the World Wide Web, print out your current Internet Web Release as a working document. Freely mark up the hardcopy with corrections, algorithm ideas, URL's, etc., until you have coded enough new functionality to warrant a new, up-to-date Web release. ___ Step 006: Create an array such as ear{ } to store the keyboard text entry. ___ Step 007: Write code for a Comparator which will recognize words already stored in the PDaiMind. ___ Step 008: ___ Step 009: ___ Step 010: #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: GNUstep FAQ update From: richard@brainstorm.co.uk. (Richard Frith-Macdonald) X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) NNTP-Posting-Host: lin2.brainstorm.co.uk Message-ID: <3698e9b2.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net> Date: 10 Jan 1999 17:56:02 GMT X-Trace: 10 Jan 1999 17:56:02 GMT, lin2.brainstorm.co.uk Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!lin2.brainstorm.co.uk Lines: 16 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117108 comp.sys.next.programmer:30231 comp.os.linux.misc:314204 Due to severe lack of manpower, much of the GNUstep website (including the FAQ) is (literally) years out of date. In an attempt to do something about this, I'd lke to have a go at putting together a new FAQ. Could anyone/everyone having any interest whatsover in this, please email me with any questions they have about GNUstep (or any suggestions about what information should appear in the FAQ) Thanks #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!xfer.kren.ne.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!usenet From: feelfree@ppp.kornet21.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Is there somthing wrong with atof? Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:39:54 GMT Organization: Korea Telecom Lines: 63 Message-ID: <77d9gq$l8r$1@news.kornet.nm.kr> Reply-To: feelfree@ppp.kornet21.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.126.43.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30232 Hi, When I compiled the source which contained fuction atof using gcc v2.8.1, the compilation finished successfully, but didn't work properly. Using gcc v2.7.2 fruited the same result. And when compiling that source using cc, everything was okey. The compilation completed successfully and worked properly. I also tried to compile the source on Linux box. It worked properly. Here is the source for test... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= #include #include int main (void) { char int_number[] = "234"; char float_number[] = "34.2"; printf ("integer : %d\t", atoi(int_number)); printf ("real : %f\n", atof(float_number)); return 0; } =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= And the results cc : integer : 234 real : 34.200000 gcc: integer : 234 real : 0.00000 How can I handle this? Plus, would you explain how I can compile the gcc source by myself? I've tried, but failed. Thank you. -- "Where there is a will, there is a way" Seung-joo Lee feelfree@ppp.kornet21.net (NeXTmail Prefered!) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Is there somthing wrong with atof? Date: 11 Jan 1999 18:22:44 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 19 Message-ID: <77dfhk$s8k$1@news.spacelab.net> References: <77d9gq$l8r$1@news.kornet.nm.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30233 feelfree@ppp.kornet21.net wrote: > And when compiling that source using cc, everything was okey. > The compilation completed successfully and worked properly. [ ... ] > How can I handle this? What's wrong with using the version built with "cc"? >Plus, would you explain how I can compile the gcc source by myself? The INSTALL document is thorough; follow the directions. If you have problems again, quote us an error message so we have something specific to work with. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Can I gut X from my Unix machine with GNUstep? Message-ID: From: root@127.0.0.1 Date: 11 Jan 99 13:37:15 MDT Reply-To: root@127.0.0.1 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: asy60.xy1.usu.edu X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.7 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30234 With the advent of no Intel version of MacOS X Server, I'm looking forward to the day when I can deploy GnuStep for development. I do have one question - if I install GnuStep with Display Ghostscript, can I remove X Windows entirely? Does DGS rely in any way on X? The motivation for asking this is my previous experience programming X applications. I recall that using too many colors resulted in the dreaded "X color drain syndrome" in which the windows of other applications suddenly acquired psychadelic colors as the colormap was depleted. Will DGS also suffer from this behavior? Any and all comments appreciated. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: farz_no@spam.mindspring.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Can I gut X from my Unix machine with GNUstep? Date: 12 Jan 1999 00:41:59 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 46 Distribution: world Message-ID: <77e5on$hk8$1@camel19.mindspring.com> References: Reply-To: farz_no@spam. mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.c4.b8 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30235 In article writes: >With the advent of no Intel version of MacOS X Server, I'm looking >forward to the day when I can deploy GnuStep for development. I do >have one question - if I install GnuStep with Display Ghostscript, >can I remove X Windows entirely? Not if you expect to see anything on your screen. :-) >Does DGS rely in any way on X? Yes. DGS relies on the AppKit's X/DPS backend which is essentially an abstraction layer on top of Xlib. >The motivation for asking this is my previous experience programming >X applications. I recall that using too many colors resulted in the >dreaded "X color drain syndrome" in which the windows of other applications >suddenly acquired psychadelic colors as the colormap was depleted. Will >DGS also suffer from this behavior? > >Any and all comments appreciated. > Yes, DGS suffers from the limits of X on low end hardware. Of course these days just about any PC graphics card you can buy is capable of running X in Truecolor. I should note that DGS is not really ready for prime time. And in fact it's questionable whether it will ever be completed IMO. Of course if someone with the right skills and motivation comes along anything is possible. For the time being you'll have to use XRAW which also abstracts and hides the Xlib stuff. -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided farz@mindspring.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.128.117.2!newsrelay.courtave.net!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!unlnews.unl.edu!not-for-mail From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Is there somthing wrong with atof? Date: 11 Jan 1999 21:33:31 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lines: 20 Message-ID: <77dqnb$ikt$1@unlnews.unl.edu> References: <77d9gq$l8r$1@news.kornet.nm.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: sting.unl.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30236 In article <77d9gq$l8r$1@news.kornet.nm.kr> feelfree@ppp.kornet21.net writes: > > Hi, > > When I compiled the source which contained fuction atof using gcc v2.8.1, > the compilation finished successfully, but didn't work properly. > Using gcc v2.7.2 fruited the same result. FEI (For everybody's information): This seems to be a failing of my first port of gcc 2.8.1. I think I've tracked down the problem, and will be releasing a newer version relatively soon (within the next couple of weeks). -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!not-for-mail From: Felix Gatzemeier Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 12 Jan 1999 11:43:31 +0100 Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Informatik III Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: spohr.informatik.rwth-aachen.de X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30237 Bought by Sun, I know that much. But what about Copyright and sources of Diagram! etc.? I'd like to take a shot at fixing some minor inconveniences... -- Felix H. Gatzemeier fxg@i3.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Disclaimer: I do not speak for anyone but myself. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.seicom.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.32.21!cyclone.nycap.rr.com!news.nycap.rr.com!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Organization: would be nice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:14:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.132.89 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 916143269 209.212.132.89 (Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:14:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:14:29 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30238 In Felix Gatzemeier wrote: > > Bought by Sun, I know that much. But what about Copyright and sources > of Diagram! etc.? I'd like to take a shot at fixing some minor > inconveniences... Since they are still being sold in Asian countries, I'd assume that the sources will not be released. It was a cool idea to release the apps w/ 2-user licenses, but I daresay that we won't see any more from LightHouse wrt these apps. They're dead Jim TjL -- "I realized I had run out of floppy disks, and wondered how that was possible. Then it dawned on me..... AOL is sending out CDs now." - me (Remove obvious portion if replying by email.) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Can I gut X from my Unix machine with GNUstep? Message-ID: From: root@127.0.0.1 Date: 11 Jan 99 22:46:39 MDT Reply-To: root@127.0.0.1 References: <77e5on$hk8$1@camel19.mindspring.com> Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp38.pm1.usu.edu X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.7 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30239 Thank you sir, for taking the time to provide knowledgeable replies to my questions. It's been some years since I used/programmed with X, and it appears that enough progress has been made in the hardware that previous difficulties can be avoided. I still have such an empty, hollow feeling left over from the last week's events. It was such a short time ago that the prospect of write-once deploy anywhere using OpenStep seemed so close... And now, it's disappeared over the horizon. I think Steve must suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder - he can't focus his attention long enough on The Next Big Thing to actually bring it to reality. What a shame. In <77e5on$hk8$1@camel19.mindspring.com> Felipe A. Rodriguez wrote: > In article writes: > >With the advent of no Intel version of MacOS X Server, I'm looking > >forward to the day when I can deploy GnuStep for development. I do > >have one question - if I install GnuStep with Display Ghostscript, > >can I remove X Windows entirely? > > > Not if you expect to see anything on your screen. :-) > > > >Does DGS rely in any way on X? > > > Yes. DGS relies on the AppKit's X/DPS backend which is essentially > an abstraction layer on top of Xlib. > > > >The motivation for asking this is my previous experience programming > >X applications. I recall that using too many colors resulted in the > >dreaded "X color drain syndrome" in which the windows of other applications > >suddenly acquired psychadelic colors as the colormap was depleted. Will > >DGS also suffer from this behavior? > > > >Any and all comments appreciated. > > > > Yes, DGS suffers from the limits of X on low end hardware. Of > course these days just about any PC graphics card you can buy is > capable of running X in Truecolor. > > I should note that DGS is not really ready for prime time. And > in fact it's questionable whether it will ever be completed IMO. > Of course if someone with the right skills and motivation comes > along anything is possible. For the time being you'll have to > use XRAW which also abstracts and hides the Xlib stuff. #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch.oaai.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Sender: news@T-FCN.Net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fxg@i3.informatik.RWTH-Aachen.De Organization: needs one X-Newsreader: RadicalNews 2.0b2(p) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:40:48 GMT Lines: 15 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!isdnet!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!infoshare!babel!news Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30240 In Felix Gatzemeier wrote: > Bought by Sun, I know that much. But what about Copyright and sources > of Diagram! etc.? I'd like to take a shot at fixing some minor > inconveniences... If I may be allowed to plug, come to www.oaai.com and check out our Diagram killer. I'm looking for beat testers for DR2 as well. If you run DR2 primarily, I want to hear from you! And if you have a wish list, I'm all ears. Maury #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.pop.de!nntpgate.globalserve.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!198.87.88.26!news.altair.com!uwvax!nova10.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@nova10.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: In search of: free common lisp for Mac OS-X Date: 13 Jan 1999 00:30:18 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <77gper$a4k@spool.cs.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova10.cs.wisc.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30241 I'm porting an app from NEXTSTEP to DR2. The app contains a subprocess object which runs a lisp session, and we've been using gcl as our lisp. Is there a gcl for DR2? Or should I try downloading the source and building it? Or is there some other free lisp which would do the trick, running command-line sessions from a shell (i.e., not a GUI app)? Thanks, David Finton #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!news-fra.maz.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Sender: RajLamba@aol.com Reply-To: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <04019921.1445@aol.com> Control: cancel <04019921.1445@aol.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hammer.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:56:00 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Orig-Path: newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news.megsinet.net!aol.com X-Orig-Subject: floppy drives hard drives 80050 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.229.131 X-Cancel-ID: AGOO"D-60TX`,4.@77#9HK:K'SISAG-^,&%ST(V@"=+FVT]JH[:CKF"1 Lines: 2 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de control.cancel:5659173 Canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Calvin Mitchell" From: "Calvin Mitchell" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Lines: 62 Organization: R&D Laboratories, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:52:02 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.215.160.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.pbi.net 916271504 207.215.160.46 (Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:51:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:51:44 PDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30242 I'm running Openstep 4.2/Mach on an Intel Pentium II with a 3GB HD & 256MB RAM. I currently have gcc 2.7.2.3/libg++2.7.2/g77 0.5.21 (this came on the Openstep User CD). When I run configure, I get the following config.log: ====================================== This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. configure:713: checking host system type configure:734: checking target system type configure:752: checking build system type configure:779: checking for gcc configure:856: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works configure:870: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5 /bin/as: /bin/as: arg list too long configure: failed program was: #line 866 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" main(){return(0);} ================================================= Terminal output was the following: ================================================= creating cache ./config.cache checking host system type... i386-next-nextstep4 checking target system type... i386-next-nextstep4 checking build system type... i386-next-nextstep4 checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. [Process exited - exit code 1] ================================================== My question is regarding the line in config.log about the as script: the as script contains three commands: =================================================== exec /bin/as -arch i386 "$@" #exec /usr/local/i386-next-nextstep4/bin/as.nextstep4 -arch i386 "$@" #exec /usr/local/i386-next-nextstep4/bin/as -arch i386 "$@" =================================================== Is this because the the long directory name i386-next-nextstep4 (which was created when gcc 2.7.x was installed through an installer pkg)? Any help would be appreciated. Calvin Mitchell, IS Operations Mgr., R&D Laboratories, Inc. calvin.mitchell@rndlabs.com http://www.rndlabs.com cal_mitc@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/cal_mitc #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!cunews!csaldanh From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Objective-C lobby group Date: 13 Jan 1999 19:35:39 GMT Organization: computerActive Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <77isib$t3a$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: duffy.mae.carleton.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30243 There has been some discussion in the last few days on the webobjects mailing list about creation of a lobby group/discussion list to advocate the continuing value of Objective-C. Such a group might be involved with: - petitioning Apple to support Objective-C (and potentially the development environment) in the long term - discussion about how to "get the word out" about Objective-C, and educate users of other languages about the benefits of the Objective-C approach - Other discussion of Objective-C and what has been called the Rhapsody development environment (Yellow Box, Foundation, etc.) Having said all of this, the group will of course develop its own directions and positions. Subscribe now if you are interested in these issues, and helping to set directions. computerActive has set up a mailing list for discussion of these and other ideas regarding Objective-C advocacy. This will NOT be a good place to come for Java vs. Objective-C flame wars. Those only interested in such a debate are encouraged not to subscribe. ======================================================== To subscribe to the list send an email to: majordomo@computeractive.com with the line: subscribe objc-group in the BODY (not the subject) of your message. ======================================================== --Chris Chris Saldanha, Software Analyst -------------------------------------- computerActive, Inc |"The telephone was not invented by | csaldanh@computerActive.com (NeXT/MIME)| Alexander Graham Unitel" -Bell Ad | http://www.mae.carleton.ca/~csaldanh -------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Hendry Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:44:27 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Lines: 12 Sender: Jonathan Hendry Message-ID: <77jlmb$8b@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <776h99$r0r@shelob.afs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chf-il5-170.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jan 13 8:44:27 PM CST 1999 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970622] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117422 comp.sys.next.programmer:30244 Greg Anderson wrote: > cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote in message ... > >What am I missing? Dr Prabhakar, where are you? > I regret to inform you that Ernie seems to have been assimilated. (I had > feared that might happen when he took the position.) As Winnie-The-Pooh > might say, "You never can tell with Reality Distortion Fields." Did you check the back of his neck for the little prong thingy? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Hendry Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:44:53 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Lines: 8 Sender: Jonathan Hendry Message-ID: <77jln5$8b@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <776gf9$27i$1@crib.corepower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chf-il5-170.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jan 13 8:44:53 PM CST 1999 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970622] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117423 comp.sys.next.programmer:30245 Nathan Urban wrote: > In article , cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote: > > Apple has been strongly encouraging developers to write Yellow Box apps, > It has? Through reverse psychology, perhaps. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!unlnews.unl.edu!not-for-mail From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:33:49 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lines: 23 Message-ID: <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mathstat.unl.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30246 In article "Calvin Mitchell" writes: > I'm running Openstep 4.2/Mach on an Intel Pentium II with a 3GB HD & 256MB > RAM. > > I currently have gcc 2.7.2.3/libg++2.7.2/g77 0.5.21 (this came on the > Openstep User CD). I'm pretty sure gcc 2.7.2.3 did not come of the USER CD. It's not on mine. (-; gcc 2.7.2.3 requires you to install the packages from the OpenStep developer CD too. AND, don't bother trying to build gcc-2.8.1 unless you're really good at it, because it's broke out of the box for openstep (nextstep3 is still ok). -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Calvin Mitchell" From: "Calvin Mitchell" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer References: <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu> Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Lines: 25 Organization: R&D Laboratories, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:44:29 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.215.163.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.pbi.net 916332253 207.215.163.27 (Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:44:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:44:13 PDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30247 I can see why folks are going for GNUStep on Linux...Openstep Dev prices are a bitch! gcc-2.7.2.3 came with a cross-compile config for NS3...but without the OSDev libs & headers it probably won't do me any good... Where there's a will...(-; Rex Dieter wrote in message <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu>... >I'm pretty sure gcc 2.7.2.3 did not come of the USER CD. It's not on mine. >(-; > >gcc 2.7.2.3 requires you to install the packages from the OpenStep >developer CD too. > >AND, don't bother trying to build gcc-2.8.1 unless you're really good at >it, because it's broke out of the box for openstep (nextstep3 is still ok). > >-- >Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu >Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ >Mathematics and Statistics >University of Nebraska-Lincoln #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: 14 Jan 1999 17:03:40 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 29 Message-ID: <77l81c$d1a$1@news.spacelab.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30248 "Calvin Mitchell" wrote: [ ... ] >I currently have gcc 2.7.2.3/libg++2.7.2/g77 0.5.21 (this came on the >Openstep User CD). [ ... ] >My question is regarding the line in config.log about the as script: > >the as script contains three commands: > >=================================================== >exec /bin/as -arch i386 "$@" >#exec /usr/local/i386-next-nextstep4/bin/as.nextstep4 -arch i386 "$@" >#exec /usr/local/i386-next-nextstep4/bin/as -arch i386 "$@" >=================================================== >Is this because the the long directory name i386-next-nextstep4 (which was >created when gcc 2.7.x was installed through an installer pkg)? Sure looks to be a problem with the way the gcc-2.7 was configured. But what's wrong with building gcc-2.8.1 using cc? After all, you're gonna be building the stage-2 and -3 compilers using gcc-2.8.1, anyway. So long as the stage-1 compiler works at all, it doesn't make a bit of difference to the binaries you'll actually install. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Calvin Mitchell" From: "Calvin Mitchell" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer References: <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu> Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Lines: 39 Organization: R&D Laboratories, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <55pn2.9077$kt3.78100@typhoon-sf.pbi.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:39:44 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.215.163.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.pbi.net 916331969 207.215.163.27 (Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:39:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:39:29 PDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30249 I stand corrected: I bought the Peanuts Update CD...and that had the gcc 2.7.2.3 on it. ...so you're telling me that in order to compile on Openstep i'm going to have to buy the Openstep developer CD...whew! I heard that Apple has docked the DevCD from US$5K to US$1.5k... Anybody want to sell me Openstep 4.2/Mach/Intel Developer for a decent price?!?!? Rex Dieter wrote in message <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu>... >In article "Calvin Mitchell" > writes: >> I'm running Openstep 4.2/Mach on an Intel Pentium II with a 3GB HD & >256MB >> RAM. >> >> I currently have gcc 2.7.2.3/libg++2.7.2/g77 0.5.21 (this came on the >> Openstep User CD). > >I'm pretty sure gcc 2.7.2.3 did not come of the USER CD. It's not on mine. >(-; > >gcc 2.7.2.3 requires you to install the packages from the OpenStep >developer CD too. > >AND, don't bother trying to build gcc-2.8.1 unless you're really good at >it, because it's broke out of the box for openstep (nextstep3 is still ok). > >-- >Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu >Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ >Mathematics and Statistics >University of Nebraska-Lincoln #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: 14 Jan 1999 17:37:43 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 18 Message-ID: <77la17$d3j$3@news.spacelab.net> References: <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30250 "Calvin Mitchell" wrote: >I can see why folks are going for GNUStep on Linux...Openstep Dev prices >are a bitch! Welcome to vertical market price scales. You might find it informative to price out something comparable like the SPARCworks dev suite (plus hardcopy documentation) for Solaris.... > gcc-2.7.2.3 came with a cross-compile config for NS3...but without the > OSDev libs & headers it probably won't do me any good... Not much, no. What did you want to do, anyway? -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: scott@nospam.doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "MacOSX Server Client" proposal Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <776gf9$27i$1@crib.corepower.com> <77jln5$8b@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: Jonathan Hendry's message of 14 Jan 1999 02:44:53 GMT Date: 14 Jan 99 08:40:00 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.79.56.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.pbi.net 916394389 209.79.56.105 (Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:59:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:59:49 PDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117508 comp.sys.next.programmer:30251 In article <77jln5$8b@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, Jonathan Hendry writes: Nathan Urban wrote: > In article , > cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote: > > Apple has been strongly encouraging developers to write Yellow > > Box apps, > > It has? Through reverse psychology, perhaps. So, we should be seeing a _lot_ of new YellowBox apps in about a six month timeframe? :-). -- scott hess (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!news.san.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve Biskis" Subject: NeXTStep Y2K Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Message-ID: <01be408c$57777c00$080216c0@newt> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 89 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:38:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.22.126 X-Trace: news.san.rr.com 916407495 204.210.22.126 (Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:38:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:38:15 PDT Organization: TWC Road Runner, San Diego, CA Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30252 Hello all, Well, I certainly agree. I've read the one-pager from Apple concerning the NON-Y2K compliance of NeXTStep. I've sent them several e-mails asking for more detail and even offering assistance. (just for effect, I vigorously doubt they would actually require it) They do NOT respond. I guess that the purpose of Apple's NeXTStep Y2K page is to sell OpenStep and not to help us NeXTStep 3.3 users/developers. If I were you I wouldn't be as concerned with an 1989 OS (NeXTStep) not being Y2K compliant as I would with a late-90's OS (OpenStep). They still needed to create a Y2K patch for it !!! Not too smart. Short-sighted is Apple's last name now that NeXT has married them, its NeXT's as well !!! Well, I sifted some clues from Apple's web site (clues they NEVER intended) and was able to patch my Preferences App for both m68K and intel in one afternoon DESPITE them. I did this primarily with Gnu sources. I e-mailed them about my success and was again greeted with silence. I guess I don't mind the way NeXT/Apple continues get away with selling Gnu copyleft software as much as the way they insist on overtly breaking the very spirit on which it was founded. If you solve the Preferences patch as I did, you'll see exactly what I mean. Anyway, I can't help but figure that it would be a small matter for Apple to offer a Y2K patch for NeXTStep now that they've got one for OpenStep. With the understanding that your 3rd party Apps are up for grabs. It seems that the Y2K problems in the OS stem from the 2-digitness inherent in the mighty old Gnu unix utilities (date,atq,mail,etc) redeployed by NeXT long ago. They simply pillaged these sources and were not even motivated enough to make the Y2K modifications to add some value. i.e. put something back. They waited till now - using it as a migration stick. And that my friends is the ultimate irony - for NeXTStep users. Being forced into spending money to upgrade a commercial product because of modifications made to FREE SOFTWARE components within it !!! I'm not sure how many of us still cling to NS3.3 but I gotta believe that if there was enough bitching a patch might just pop-up out of nowhere. I'm so pissed at Apple right now that the only way I'll make my Preferences patch available is for a PIRATED copy of OPENSTEP 4.2 User&Developer. Its important that its PIRATED - not original, the CDs burned so that no $ were spent with Apple whatsoever !!! OK, just kidding, its free for the asking. ;} Steve B. mlx@san.rr.com James W. Beauchamp wrote in article <77bkr3$stf$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... > I just tried the date command on my NeXT Cube (NS 3.2) and was shocked > to discover that > > # date 0001101923 > > gives Sat Jan 10 19:23:00 PST 1970 > > '00' reverts us to 1970? How come? > > I thought surely a computer that came out in 1989 would have had the Y2K > thing figured out! > > Please tell me what solutions have been worked out. I don't want to have > to throw my NeXT away next January 1st as I still have lots of programs > that are working just fine for me! > > Jim Beauchamp > j-beauch@uiuc.edu > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.maz.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: Frederic Foucault Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:53:38 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <369F6481.18666376@columbia.edu> References: <77l2ot$fv5$1@unlnews.unl.edu> <55pn2.9077$kt3.78100@typhoon-sf.pbi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sml1.cpmc.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 916415620 23294 156.111.235.76 (15 Jan 1999 15:53:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 1999 15:53:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30253 Calvin Mitchell wrote: > I stand corrected: > > I bought the Peanuts Update CD...and that had the gcc 2.7.2.3 on it. > > ...so you're telling me that in order to compile on Openstep i'm going to > have to buy the Openstep developer CD...whew! > > I heard that Apple has docked the DevCD from US$5K to US$1.5k... > > Anybody want to sell me Openstep 4.2/Mach/Intel Developer for a decent > price?!?!? Ask to comp.sys.next.marketplace. Sincerely. ff #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: tennant@alph.msfc.nasa.gov (Allyn Tennant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: 15 Jan 1999 19:56:26 GMT Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <77o6ha$eut$1@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> References: <77l81c$d1a$1@news.spacelab.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.158.132.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.msfc.nasa.gov 916430186 15325 (none) 128.158.132.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30254 "Charles W. Swiger" wrote: > >But what's wrong with building gcc-2.8.1 using cc? Since I tried this today, let me tell you my problem. First, some background, I just upgraded Developer's to 4.2 and any attempt to link using the version of gcc (2.7.2.3.f.1) that worked with 3.3 results in the error message ld: can't locate file for: -lsys_s So decided to try to build/install gcc 2.8.1. I had to "hide" the existing gcc otherwise the configure sript would find it, use it and fail. With gcc hidden, configure finds cc and the configure/make works up until ./xgcc -B./ -DIN_GCC -g -I./include enquire.o -o enquire ld: warning table of contents of library: ./libgcc.a not sorted slower link editing will result (use the ranlib(1) -s option) ld: can't locate file for: -lsys_s Which I believe is the first attempt to do a link using the newly created gcc compiler. Sigh. So how does one tell gcc to use the correct libraries when sending object files to the linker? (Being new to 4.2 I'm not even sure what the correct libraries are). Thanks for any advice. Allyn #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXTStep Y2K Date: 15 Jan 1999 20:02:35 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 69 Message-ID: <77o6sr$k6e$1@news.spacelab.net> References: <01be408c$57777c00$080216c0@newt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30255 "Steve Biskis" wrote: > Well, I certainly agree. I've read the one-pager from Apple concerning > the NON-Y2K compliance of NeXTStep. I've sent them several e-mails > asking for more detail and even offering assistance. > (just for effect, I vigorously doubt they would actually require it) > They do NOT respond. I guess that the purpose of Apple's NeXTStep Y2K > page is to sell OpenStep and not to help us NeXTStep 3.3 users/developers. Yup, that's precisely correct. Apple has no desire to spend any effort whatsoever supporting NEXTSTEP 3.3. After all, the promised 5 years of legacy support has expired. [ ... ] > I guess I don't mind the way NeXT/Apple continues get away with selling > Gnu copyleft software as much as the way they insist on overtly breaking > the very spirit on which it was founded. If you solve the Preferences > patch as I did, you'll see exactly what I mean. /bin/date from NEXTSTEP 3.3 is from BSD, not GNU. The parts of NEXTSTEP that used GNU software are available in source code form, exactly as the GPL requires. > It seems that the Y2K problems in the OS stem from the 2-digitness > inherent in the mighty old Gnu unix utilities (date,atq,mail,etc) > redeployed by NeXT long ago. They simply pillaged these sources and > were not even motivated enough to make the Y2K modifications to add > some value. i.e. put something back. You're completely wrong. Let's put the executables you've named through 'strings'. /usr/bin/date: @(#)PROGRAM:date PROJECT:sgcmds-61.5.1 DEVELOPER:cfriesen BUILT:Thu Aug 6 14:03:50 PDT 1998 61.5.1 @(#) Copyright (c) 1985 Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#)date.c 4.20 (Berkeley) 3/24/87 /usr/bin/atq: @(#)PROGRAM:Unknown PROJECT:usrbin-76.3 DEVELOPER:cfriesen BUILT:Mon Aug 10 18:57:21 PDT 1998 @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#)at.c 5.4 (Berkeley) 5/28/86 /bin/mail: @(#)PROGRAM:mail PROJECT:bin-62 DEVELOPER:root BUILT:Thu Mar 27 21:02:49 PST 1997 f@@(#)mail.c 4.30 (Berkeley) 10/22/87 [ ... ] > I'm so pissed at Apple right now that the only way I'll make my Preferences > patch available is for a PIRATED copy of OPENSTEP 4.2 User&Developer. > Its important that its PIRATED - not original, the CDs burned so that no > $ were spent with Apple whatsoever !!! And you follow up your false allegations by advocating software piracy? Charming. You are a winner.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.0.20!news.san.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve Biskis" Subject: NS3.3 Y2K Preferences Patch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Message-ID: <01be40c9$677222d0$080216c0@newt> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 2241 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:55:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.22.126 X-Trace: news.san.rr.com 916433734 204.210.22.126 (Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:55:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:55:34 PDT Organization: TWC Road Runner, San Diego, CA Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32669 comp.sys.next.software:35197 comp.sys.next.misc:29212 comp.sys.next.programmer:30256 Hello All, There has been sufficient interest to the point where I'd better post this: Patch for Preferences under NeXTSTEP 3.3 I modified the Gnu sh-utils-1.16 date source to recognize Preference's "proprietary" set command format. date automatically differentiates the Prefs call from the standard set format so that all the other options should still work as advertised by --usage. Here's what to do: 1> Make sure that you are root . 2> cd to /usr/lib/Preferences . 3> PLEASE backup the date utility that is now there by say, mv date.Y1.9K or something . 4> Now copy the new date utility to /usr/lib/Preferences and watch Preferences forge ahead into the future. 5> Don't forget to replace the one in /bin as well ... I haven't messed around with any of the other problem utilities. With the possible exception of nroff/troff, I don't use any of them directly. I'm not at all sure how problematic they could prove to be in their current state. But what I'm most concerned about is what may still lay undiscovered due to lack of interest on Apple's part. I'm guessing that the only problems mentioned for NeXTSTEP are those that were found while scurrying to rescue OpenStep !!! Maybe there are no additional NS-specific problems to worry about but due to Apple's lack of support - who knows? If anybody out there discovers any new NS3.3 Y2K problems or solutions PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE respond in kind. Lets not get beat by this - we've still got time !!! da bisk P.S. 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Apparently he's now trying to branch out. Sean #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!news.san.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve Biskis" Subject: Re: NS3.3 Y2K Preferences Patch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer References: <01be40c9$677222d0$080216c0@newt> Message-ID: <01be40d0$3751b730$080216c0@newt> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:44:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.22.126 X-Trace: news.san.rr.com 916436647 204.210.22.126 (Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:44:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:44:07 PDT Organization: TWC Road Runner, San Diego, CA Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32674 comp.sys.next.software:35198 comp.sys.next.misc:29213 comp.sys.next.programmer:30258 Sorry, I neglected to state that this binary version of date is DUAL-FAT: i386 & m68k arch's Take Care, da bisk #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.btx.dtag.de!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.128.117.2!newsrelay.courtave.net!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!unlnews.unl.edu!not-for-mail From: "Rex Dieter" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:30:40 -0600 Organization: University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lines: 25 Message-ID: <77oiq9$dvi$1@unlnews.unl.edu> References: <77l81c$d1a$1@news.spacelab.net> <77o6ha$eut$1@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: sting.unl.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30259 Allyn Tennant wrote in message <77o6ha$eut$1@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov>... >"Charles W. Swiger" wrote: >> >>But what's wrong with building gcc-2.8.1 using cc? > >Since I tried this today, let me tell you my problem. >First, some background, I just upgraded Developer's to 4.2 and >any attempt to link using the version of gcc (2.7.2.3.f.1) >that worked with 3.3 results in the error message > >ld: can't locate file for: -lsys_s gcc-2.8.1 does not build/compile out of the box correctly for OS 4.x. Unless you know what you're doing, you're most likely wasting your ime. )-: (I, for one, wasted a LOT of time) On the other hand, I think I've got a version of both gcc-2.8.1 and egcs-1.1.1 working (after some blood, sweat, and tears), and will post information about distribution binaries and source soon. -- Rex #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Compiling gcc-2.8.1: 'as' script problems Date: 16 Jan 1999 00:26:13 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 45 Message-ID: <77omb5$kn5$1@news.spacelab.net> References: <77l81c$d1a$1@news.spacelab.net> <77o6ha$eut$1@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30260 tennant@alph.msfc.nasa.gov (Allyn Tennant) wrote: >"Charles W. Swiger" wrote: >> >>But what's wrong with building gcc-2.8.1 using cc? > >Since I tried this today, let me tell you my problem. >First, some background, I just upgraded Developer's to 4.2 and >any attempt to link using the version of gcc (2.7.2.3.f.1) >that worked with 3.3 results in the error message > >ld: can't locate file for: -lsys_s Is there not one in /lib/libsys_s.a? There is on my m68k system, although I no longer have any idea whether that is a stock condition after upgrading, rebuilding, and otherwise wandering around between 3.3 and 4.2 on my boot drive. :-) I know there was one available with NS 3.3, anyway. >./xgcc -B./ -DIN_GCC -g -I./include enquire.o -o enquire >ld: warning table of contents of library: ./libgcc.a not sorted slower >link editing will result (use the ranlib(1) -s option) >ld: can't locate file for: -lsys_s > >Which I believe is the first attempt to do a link using >the newly created gcc compiler. Sigh. Right. >So how does one tell gcc to use the correct libraries when >sending object files to the linker? (Being new to 4.2 I'm not >even sure what the correct libraries are). I guess a good first step would be to hunt down the GNU source NeXT provided and do a trial build of that version of gcc and see how that worked. If I get some spare time, maybe I'll install the 4.2 GNUSource package myself and take a look..... -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mwvaugh From: mwvaugh@uiuc.edu (Matthew Vaughn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:43:17 -0600 Organization: None, Whatsoever. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <36981b3c.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <3698d2f9.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vaughn.life.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14948 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27084 comp.sys.next.programmer:30261 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110422 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8670 In article <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu>, seanl@drinkme.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) wrote: >Mentifex (mentifex@scn.org) wrote: >> Using any viable language to code the minimal pdaimind: > >> /^^^^^^^^^^^\ Mind-grid Arrays{ } in Robot PDAI /^^^^^^^^^^^\ >> /visual memory\ _________ / auditory \ >> | /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory | >> | | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ | >> | ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | | >> | /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | | >> | / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| | >> | \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / | >> | \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ | > > >In case anyone doesn't know, this guy is a nutcase who's a regular on >comp.ai. Apparently he's now trying to branch out. > >Sean Actually, since the beta version of Newton Prolog is near release, maybe he's not too far off the mark ;-) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!any.msu.ru!news.orc.ru!not-for-mail From: mamax@mail.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: test Date: 16 Jan 99 08:28:21 +-0300 Organization: Online Resource Center Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8d50.7725.3c@trhwr> Reply-To: mamax@mail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 06.hq-3.dialup.orc.ru X-Trace: boss.nc.orc.ru 916464504 15137 212.48.131.22 (16 Jan 1999 05:28:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.orc.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 1999 05:28:24 GMT content-length: 21 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30262 http://lba.da.ru/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.maz.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!not-for-mail From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: atx power-down -- how to make bios calls Date: 16 Jan 1999 09:29:04 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Lines: 8 Message-ID: <77pm50$6f7$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: haegar.biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de X-Trace: sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 916478944 6631 134.147.38.28 (16 Jan 1999 09:29:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 1999 09:29:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30263 hello, i got my hands on the c source of the hw-power down code from the linux source tree. a NS/OS port would be patched into /etc/halt. but there is the need to do bios calls. has anybody succeded in making bios calls from inside NS/OS-executables? any help appreciated. thanks in advance, daniel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!digex!phcs!papoose.quick.com!papoose.quick.com!not-for-mail From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: In Mail.app could Select First Alternative be made the default? Date: 16 Jan 1999 10:51:12 -0500 Organization: Quick and Associates Lines: 19 Message-ID: <77qchg$glc@papoose.quick.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: papoose.quick.com Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30264 The majority of my email comes from Microsoft Outlook clients. The PCs where I work are being upgraded to the newset version and there appears to be no combination of settings to get them to send plain text email. It's all in that annoying HTML format. At least 'Message->MIME->Select First Alternative" can reformat the message, but now I find that 80% of the messages I recieve at work need this. Even mapping a command key to this, requires one more keystroke for each such message. Can anyone think of a good way to modify the Mail.app nib, or the ExtendMail bundle (for which many thanks are due, BTW) so that I can make the output of those abominable MS clients less tiresome? -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | If only the HMO would cover my allergy to gravity. ) | #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <6325915944426@digifix.com> Date: 17 Jan 1999 04:45:19 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 327 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <306916549240@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117663 comp.sys.next.announce:4876 comp.sys.next.hardware:35832 comp.sys.next.software:35206 comp.sys.next.misc:29215 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32685 comp.sys.next.bugs:5012 comp.sys.next.programmer:30265 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Rhapsody Developer Release Site http://gemma.apple.com/rhapsody/rhapdev/rhapsody.html These pages are focused on tools and resources you need to develop great Rhapsody software products.. Rhapsody Developer Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/rhapsody/rhapsody.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.bb.bawue.de!eskimo.bb.bawue.de!root From: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de (Juergen Grieb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: In Mail.app could Select First Alternative be made the default? Date: 17 Jan 1999 07:57:23 GMT Organization: "private site" Lines: 18 Message-ID: <77s553$i1@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> References: <77qchg$glc@papoose.quick.com> Reply-To: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.197.13.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Cc: jq@papoose.quick.com Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30266 James E. Quick wrote: > Can anyone think of a good way to modify the Mail.app nib, or > the ExtendMail bundle (for which many thanks are due, BTW) > so that I can make the output of those abominable MS clients > less tiresome? Why not set a shortcut for that menu entry in Preferences.app? So it will take you only to press one key combination and you have the desired result. -- Juergen _______________________________________________________________________ Juergen Grieb ** juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de ** NeXTMail/Mime welcome #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.noc.cabal.int!erlenstar.ml.org!annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <8d50.7725.3c@trhwr> ignore no reply Control: cancel <8d50.7725.3c@trhwr> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:39:32 +0000 Sender: mamax@mail.com From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.3 Approved: y X-Cancelled-By: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk X-No-Archive: yes X-Original-Path: ...!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!any.msu.ru!news.orc.ru!not-for-mail X-Original-From: mamax@mail.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 06.hq-3.dialup.orc.ru X-Original-Subject: test X-Original-Date: 16 Jan 99 08:28:21 +-0300 X-Original-X-Trace: boss.nc.orc.ru 916464504 15137 212.48.131.22 (16 Jan 1999 05:28:24 GMT) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 1999 05:28:24 GMT X-Cancel-ID: U[)C+-_R9<(W@EUD-TJ=O`?BDUP/(I7R9[*-E&=ZS>PW$L.,/U+%(I?B Lines: 1 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de control.cancel:5717681 Spam (EMP) cancelled. Cancel ID: U[)C+-_R9<(W@EUD-TJ=O`?BDUP/(I7R9[*-E&=ZS>PW$L.,/U+%(I?B #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36A2D5A8.DB419638@pacbell.net> From: o X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: curses.h under openstep4.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 106 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:33:16 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.156.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.pbi.net 916641100 207.104.156.95 (Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:31:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:31:40 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30267 Im having trouble w/ curses under openstep 4.2 for mach. Im trying to write a curses interface in Objective C for an project Im working on. First of all, when I compile my app w/ 'cc display.m -lcurses -ltermcap' i get a big spew of warnings like: /bin/ld: warning /usr/lib/libcurses.a(endwin.o)) has external relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text) for symbols: _free _malloc /bin/ld: warning /usr/lib/libcurses.a(initscr.o)) has external relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text) for symbols: _signal _getenv _isatty /bin/ld: warning /usr/lib/libcurses.a(newwin.o)) has external relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text) for symbols: _stty __filbuf __iob . . . ....and it goes on & on for getch.o, printw.o, refresh.o, putchar.o, delwin.o, cr_tty.o, and tstp.o, deleteln.o, tputs.o, termcap.o, & tgoto.o Despite all of the warnings, my program compiles & I've gotten curses to work normally _EXCEPT_ when handling a SIGWINCH when I resize my terminal window. I can resize my window by shortening its height, by making it thinner, or wider without problem. If however, I resize the window more than 3 rows larger than the size it was when I executed the app, I get a bus error. My code is something like this: . . . id glbDisplay; (void) window_resize () { [display handleResize]; } @implementation Display // when you create the object it draws the window -(id)init { signal(SIGWINCH, window_resize); glbDisplay = self; // gets the current width & height of the terminal from the system [self displaySize:&ROWS width:&COLS]; initscr(); // make the windows for the displays i/o output = newwin((ROWS -8), (COLS -1), 0, 0); infobar = newwin(3, (COLS -1), ((ROWS -8) +1), 0); input = newwin(3, (COLS -1), ((ROWS -9) +4), 0); scrollok(output, TRUE); .. . . . . .. . other stuff here...... return self; } // user resized the window -(void)handleResize { endwin(); // gets the current width & height again [self displaySize:&ROWS width:&COLS]; initscr(); // make the windows for the displays i/o output = newwin((ROWS -8), (COLS -1), 0, 0); infobar = newwin(3, (COLS -1), ((ROWS -8) +1), 0); input = newwin(3, (COLS -1), ((ROWS -9) +4), 0); scrollok(output, TRUE); .. . . . . .. . other stuff here...... } @end . . . Now; Im using 2 threads in my display - one for the users input & 1 for the users ouput, but I've ruled out this complication because I've always had this problem with any code I've written, multithreaded or not, when I using curses for the display. Anyone using the NeXT developers (mach) installation of curses and have it working properly ? or know what those warnings are, and if they are related to my problem ? Or perhaps there is an alternative windowing libary for the command line available for openstep ? Thanks in advance - mike delsol5@pacbell.net #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!sun4nl!212.206.254.3.MISMATCH!koza.nl.net!not-for-mail From: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Newsreader for OPENSTEP? Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:32:39 GMT Organization: R&A Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: spike.rna.nl X-Trace: koza.nl.net 916641248 29026 195.109.36.82 (18 Jan 1999 06:34:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jan 1999 06:34:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82 [trh1]) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30268 comp.sys.next.software:35212 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32689 I am currently using Alexandra, but did there ever surface a better newsreader for OPENSTEP? Something with a decent elegant interface? -- Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl (Gerben Wierda) "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. "Your io is pretty std" -- Larry Wall #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!allstars.onestep.co.uk!not-for-mail From: david@onestep.co.uk (David Andrew Knight) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Newsreader for OPENSTEP? Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:11:36 GMT Message-ID: <916654296.22458.0.nnrp-02.c30b1c0b@news.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: david@onestep.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: allstars.onestep.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: allstars.onestep.co.uk:195.11.28.11 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 916654296 nnrp-02:22458 NO-IDENT allstars.onestep.co.uk:195.11.28.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Lines: 10 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30269 comp.sys.next.software:35213 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32690 In Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl wrote: > I am currently using Alexandra, but did there ever surface a better > newsreader for OPENSTEP? Something with a decent elegant interface? Umm, RadicalNews. Try http://www.radical.com/ -- Regards David Knight OneStep Solutions Plc #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!wagner.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Andre Lalonde" From: "Andre Lalonde" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin References: Subject: Re: Newsreader for OPENSTEP? Lines: 21 Organization: Scribex Communications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:02:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.19.108.240 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.net X-Trace: wagner.videotron.net 916693399 204.19.108.240 (Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:03:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:03:19 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30270 comp.sys.next.software:35221 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32694 Take a look at NewsFlash (v.2.275). http://www.scribex.com/English/index.html (Requires NEXTSTEP 3.2 or higher or OPENSTEP 4.x for Mach.) -Andre =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D wrote in message news:F5q3uF.E01@RnA.nl... >I am currently using Alexandra, but did there ever surface a better=20 >newsreader for OPENSTEP? Something with a decent elegant interface? > >--=20 >Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl (Gerben Wierda) >"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" >Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. > >"Your io is pretty std" -- Larry Wall #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!interpath.net!phenix From: phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Newsreader for OPENSTEP? Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:16:42 -0500 Organization: phenix@interpath.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1dlukkz.egsx6n17w623bN@roxboro0-027.dyn.interpath.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roxboro0-027.dyn.interpath.net X-Face: $!7l?58&Lro>GQtr;A/P^'38=7{P[jPy/?JF*m`Z2&~@3:P3L81Sa7RQ=Y~o| ?'D1cB]L9V=\OS(\8S,5 Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-FAQs-Read: perl, pascal.mac User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30271 comp.sys.next.software:35224 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32698 wrote: > I am currently using Alexandra, but did there ever surface a better > newsreader for OPENSTEP? Something with a decent elegant interface? Go to which has links to both mac and openstep newsreaders (including one to a latter version of Alexandra than the one you are using). -- John Moreno #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!138.23.226.215!pravda.ucr.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!nntp.ucsb.edu!usenet From: dan@madhatter.physics.ucsb.edu (Dan Murphy Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: gcc 2.7.2.3 and complex math Date: 19 Jan 1999 00:27:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <780jh0$nea@yuggoth.ucsb.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: redqueen.physics.ucsb.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30272 Hello, I just installed gcc 2.7.2.3 that I downloaded from peak, and it works fine for a toy C program. However, when I try to compile a c++ program which uses complex math () I get the following warnings, and a compilation failure. Does anyone have suggestions? Thanks. Dan Murphy dan@madhatter.physics.ucsb.edu In file included from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/std/cmath.h:7, from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/std/complext.h:34, from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/std/complex.h:7, from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/complex.h:5, from test.cc:1: /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/math.h:59: warning: declaration of `const double cos(double)' /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/math.h:59: warning: conflicts with built-in declaration `double cos(double)' /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/math.h:60: warning: declaration of `const double sin(double)' /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/math.h:60: warning: conflicts with built-in declaration `double sin(double)' In file included from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/std/complex.h:7, from /usr/local/lib/g++-include/complex.h:5, from test.cc:1: /usr/local/lib/g++-include/std/complext.h:241: declaration of C function `double hypot(double, double)' conflicts with /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/math.h:26: previous declaration `const double hypot(double, double)' here #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.metronet.de!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <781lcg$r4p$4182@news-1.news.gte.net> Control: cancel <781lcg$r4p$4182@news-1.news.gte.net> Date: 19 Jan 1999 10:10:03 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: asdlfjsadlkj@lasjflasjd.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!worldfeed.news.gte.net!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: *Pamela Lee & Bret Michaels Hardcore Videotape X-Original-Date: 19 Jan 1999 10:05:04 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt1.lax3.da.uu.net X-Original-From: asdlfjsadlkj@lasjflasjd.com X-CosmoTraq: "X*Q4(LL#9Y\V"Y;_KPL%Y&D4`O,.P6.]`?'9,!WW$?!U(`[_&LUOB0W]Y3PIPQW\02P:RR; X-Commentary: Spam is lame. 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.131.1.12!denws01.mw.mediaone.net!news.altair.com!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!129.79.6.160!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: need help with cc error message Date: 19 Jan 1999 15:42:41 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 24 Message-ID: <78295h$t47$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valeri.hper.indiana.edu Keywords: c compiler openstep Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30273 I am running a FORTRAN program through f2c to produce a c program. Then, I am running the c program through the standard c compiler that came with my current OpenStep 4.1 operating system. This is giving me the following error message: cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1obj got fatal signal 11 Can anyone tell me what this means? This is a program that ran perfectly with the c compiler that came with NextStep 3.3. And the many other FORTRAN programs that I have all run OK with 4.1's c compiler. It is just this program that does not work after the upgrade to 4.1 and its c compiler. Any ideas?? Help!! Jesus Dapena -- Jesus Dapena Department of Kinesiology 1-812-855-8407 Indiana University dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu Bloomington, IN 47405, USA http://www.indiana.edu/~sportbm/home.html #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.nl!demon!objectzoo.demon.nl!not-for-mail From: gtupar@ObjectZoo.com (Georg Tuparev) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:59:08 GMT Message-ID: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> References: Reply-To: gtupar@ObjectZoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: objectzoo.demon.nl X-NNTP-Posting-Host: objectzoo.demon.nl:212.238.64.117 X-Trace: news.demon.nl 916826348 muttley:21771 NO-IDENT objectzoo.demon.nl:212.238.64.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: maury@remove_this.istar.ca Lines: 31 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30274 Another plug: TaskMaster (and M$ Project) will have also a killer ... soon -- georg -- In Maury Markowitz wrote: > In Felix Gatzemeier wrote: > > Bought by Sun, I know that much. But what about Copyright and sources > > of Diagram! etc.? I'd like to take a shot at fixing some minor > > inconveniences... > > If I may be allowed to plug, come to www.oaai.com and check out our > Diagram killer. > > I'm looking for beat testers for DR2 as well. If you run DR2 primarily, > I want to hear from you! > > And if you have a wish list, I'm all ears. > > Maury > > --- Georg Tuparev The ObjectZoo Ltd. Schipbeekstraat 1 3 Cathles Road 1078 BK Amsterdam, The Netherlands London SW12 9LE, UK Mobile: +31-655-798196 Fax: +31-20-524-1254 Hiroshima 45, Tschernobyl 86, Windows 95, Office 97 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!news.san.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve Biskis" Subject: NeXTStep v3.3 Y2K Patch (again) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <01be447c$75b4cfd0$080216c0@newt> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 569 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:54:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.22.126 X-Trace: news.san.rr.com 916840486 204.210.22.126 (Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:54:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:54:46 PDT Organization: TWC Road Runner, San Diego, CA Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32704 comp.sys.next.programmer:30275 comp.sys.next.misc:29220 comp.sys.next.software:35236 Interesting, My last post seems to have been retroactively deleted from all the newsboards so here it is again with some adjustments: I assume the moderator doesn't want binaries attached. --- Hello All, There has been sufficient interest to the point where I'd better post this: Patch for Preferences under NeXTSTEP 3.3 I modified the Gnu sh-utils-1.16 date source to recognize Preference's "proprietary" set command format. This modified date.c automatically differentiates the Prefs call from the standard set format so that all the other options should still work as advertised by --usage. Here's what to do: 1> ftp to ftp.gnu.org and download the sh-utils-1.16 distribution. 2> backup the stock version of date.c that came with it and copy my modified version in its place. 3> configure & compile date 4> Now, to install, 1st make sure that you are root . 5> cd to /usr/lib/Preferences . 6> PLEASE backup the date utility that is now there by say, mv date.Y1.9K or something . 7> Now copy the new date utility to /usr/lib/Preferences and watch Preferences forge ahead into the future. 8> Don't forget to replace the one in /bin as well ... For those of you who don't/can't download or compile, I can send you a dual-FAT binary: m68k/i386 of date. Sorry, I don't run Sun or HP ... (yet) - Perhaps someone more connected than myself can build a quad FAT version and make it available along with the simple install directions. As time goes by more folks are bound to want it. I haven't messed around with any of the other problem utilities. With the possible exception of nroff/troff, I don't use any of them directly. I'm not at all sure how problematic they could prove to be in their current state. But what I'm most concerned about is what may still lay undiscovered due to lack of interest on Apple's part. I'm guessing that the only problems mentioned for NeXTSTEP are those that were found while scurrying to rescue OpenStep !!! Maybe there are no additional NS-specific problems to worry about but due to Apple's lack of support - who knows? If anybody out there discovers any new NS3.3 Y2K problems or solutions PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE respond in kind. Lets not get beat by this - we've still got time !!! da bisk P.S. In the spirit of CopyLeft, here's the source: ********** BEGIN: date.c ********** /* date - print or set the system date and time Copyright (C) 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 1997 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later version. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. David MacKenzie 11/26/98 NeXT Y2K Patched Version: Steve Biskis Look for the AREAS marked BISK for what has been alterred ... */ #include #include #include #include #include "system.h" #include "getline.h" #include "error.h" #include "getdate.h" #ifndef STDC_HEADERS size_t strftime (); time_t time (); #endif int putenv (); int stime (); char *xrealloc (); time_t posixtime (); static void show_date __P ((const char *format, time_t when)); static void usage __P ((int status)); /* The name this program was run with, for error messages. */ char *program_name; /* If nonzero, display usage information and exit. */ static int show_help; /* If nonzero, print the version on standard output and exit. */ static int show_version; /* If non-zero, display time in RFC-822 format for mail or news. */ static int rfc_format = 0; /* If nonzero, print or set Coordinated Universal Time. */ static int universal_time = 0; static struct option const long_options[] = { {"date", required_argument, NULL, 'd'}, {"file", required_argument, NULL, 'f'}, {"help", no_argument, &show_help, 1}, {"reference", required_argument, NULL, 'r'}, {"rfc-822", no_argument, NULL, 'R'}, {"set", required_argument, NULL, 's'}, {"uct", no_argument, NULL, 'u'}, {"utc", no_argument, NULL, 'u'}, {"universal", no_argument, NULL, 'u'}, {"version", no_argument, &show_version, 1}, {NULL, 0, NULL, 0} }; // BISK: new function ... static time_t parseDateStr( const char *datestr ) { int n; struct timeval tv; struct tm timeObj, *tmp; char *bp, buf[4], dateStr[16]; if ( !datestr ) return -1; if ( (bp=strchr(datestr,'.')) ) { // NeXT Preferences Format ??? if ( strlen(bp)!=3 || strlen(datestr)<13 ) return -1; sprintf(dateStr,"%.10s%.2s",bp-10,bp+1); } else sprintf(dateStr,"%.12s",datestr); n=strlen(dateStr); if ( n!=4 && n!=6 && n!=10 && n!=12 ) return -1; bp=dateStr; bzero(&timeObj,sizeof(timeObj)); if ( n==10 || n==12 ) { // setting date AND time ... sprintf(buf,"%.2s",bp); timeObj.tm_year=atoi(buf); if ( timeObj.tm_year<50 ) timeObj.tm_year+=100; bp+=2; sprintf(buf,"%.2s",bp); timeObj.tm_mon=atoi(buf)-1; bp+=2; sprintf(buf,"%.2s",bp); timeObj.tm_mday=atoi(buf); bp+=2; } else { gettimeofday(&tv,NULL); tmp=localtime(&tv.tv_sec); timeObj.tm_year=tmp->tm_year; timeObj.tm_mon=tmp->tm_mon; timeObj.tm_mday=tmp->tm_mday; } sprintf(buf,"%.2s",bp); timeObj.tm_hour=atoi(buf); bp+=2; sprintf(buf,"%.2s",bp); timeObj.tm_min=atoi(buf); bp+=2; if ( *bp ) { sprintf(buf,"%.2s",bp); timeObj.tm_sec=atoi(buf); } return mktime(&timeObj); } /* Parse each line in INPUT_FILENAME as with --date and display the each resulting time and date. If the file cannot be opened, tell why then exit. Issue a diagnostic for any lines that cannot be parsed. If any line cannot be parsed, return nonzero; otherwise return zero. */ static int batch_convert (const char *input_filename, const char *format) { int status; FILE *in_stream; char *line; int line_length; size_t buflen; time_t when; if (strcmp (input_filename, "-") == 0) { input_filename = _("standard input"); in_stream = stdin; } else { in_stream = fopen (input_filename, "r"); if (in_stream == NULL) { error (1, errno, "`%s'", input_filename); } } line = NULL; buflen = 0; status = 0; while (1) { line_length = getline (&line, &buflen, in_stream); if (line_length < 0) { /* FIXME: detect/handle error here. */ break; } when = get_date (line, NULL); if (when == -1) { if (line[line_length - 1] == '\n') line[line_length - 1] = '\0'; error (0, 0, _("invalid date ` %s'"), line); status = 1; } else { show_date (format, when); } } if (fclose (in_stream) == EOF) error (2, errno, input_filename); if (line != NULL) free (line); return status; } int main ( int argc, char **argv ) { int optc; const char *datestr=NULL; const char *set_datestr=NULL; time_t when; int set_date = 0; char *format; char *batch_file=NULL; char *reference=NULL; struct stat refstats; int n_args; int status; int option_specified_date; program_name=argv[0]; setlocale(LC_ALL, ""); bindtextdomain(PACKAGE,LOCALEDIR); textdomain(PACKAGE); while ( (optc=getopt_long(argc,argv,"d:f:r:Rs:u",long_options, NULL) )!=EOF ) switch( optc ) { case 0: break; case 'd': datestr=optarg; break; case 'f': batch_file=optarg; break; case 'r': reference=optarg; break; case 'R': rfc_format=1; break; case 's': set_datestr=optarg; set_date=1; break; case 'u': universal_time=1; if ( putenv("TZ=UTC0")!=0 ) error (1,0,"memory exhausted"); #if LOCALTIME_CACHE tzset(); #endif break; default: usage(1); } if ( show_version ) { printf("date (%s) %s\n",GNU_PACKAGE,VERSION); exit(0); } if ( show_help ) usage(0); n_args=argc-optind; option_specified_date = ((datestr?1:0)+(batch_file?1:0)+(reference?1:0)); if ( option_specified_date>1 ) { error(0,0, _("the options to specify dates for printing are mutually exclusive") ); usage (1); } if ( set_date && option_specified_date ) { error(0,0, _("the options to print and set the time may not be used together") ); usage (1); } if ( n_args>1 ) { error(0,0,_("too many non-option arguments")); usage (1); } if ( (set_date || option_specified_date) && n_args==1 && argv[optind][0]!='+' ) { error(0,0,_("\ the argument `%s' lacks a leading `+';\n\ when using an option to specify date(s), any\n\ non-option argument must be a format string beginning with `+'"), argv[optind]); usage (1); } if ( set_date ) datestr=set_datestr; if ( batch_file!=NULL ) status = batch_convert(batch_file,(n_args==1?argv[optind]+1:NULL)); else { status=0; if ( !option_specified_date && !set_date ) { if ( n_args==1 && argv[optind][0]!='+' ) { /* Prepare to set system clock to the specified date/time given in the POSIX-format. */ set_date=1; datestr=argv[optind]; // BISK: changed ... //when = posixtime (datestr); when=parseDateStr(datestr); format=NULL; } else { /* Prepare to print the current date/time. */ datestr=_("undefined"); time(&when); format=(n_args==1?argv[optind]+1:NULL); } } else /* (option_specified_date || set_date) */ { if ( reference!=NULL ) { if ( stat(reference,&refstats) ) error(1,errno,"%s",reference); when = refstats.st_mtime; } else when=get_date (datestr,NULL); format=(n_args==1?argv[optind]+1:NULL); } if ( when==-1 ) error (1,0,_("invalid date `%s'"),datestr); if ( set_date ) { /* Set the system clock to the specified date, then regardless of the success of that operation, format and print that date. */ if ( stime(&when)==-1 ) error(0,errno,_("cannot set date")); } show_date (format, when); } if ( fclose(stdout)==EOF ) error(2,errno,_("write error")); exit (status); } /* Display the date and/or time in WHEN according to the format specified in FORMAT, followed by a newline. If FORMAT is NULL, use the standard output format (ctime style but with a timezone inserted). */ static void show_date (const char *format, time_t when) { struct tm *tm; char *out = NULL; size_t out_length = 0; tm = localtime (&when); if (format == NULL) { /* Print the date in the default format. Vanilla ANSI C strftime doesn't support %e, but POSIX requires it. If you don't use a GNU strftime, make sure yours supports %e. If you are not using GNU strftime, you want to change %z in the RFC format to %Z; this gives, however, an invalid RFC time format outside the continental United States and GMT. */ format = (rfc_format ? (universal_time ? "%a, %_d %b %Y %H:%M:%S GMT" : "%a, %_d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z") : "%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y"); } else if (*format == '\0') { printf ("\n"); return; } do { out_length += 200; out = (char *) xrealloc (out, out_length); } while (strftime (out, out_length, format, tm) == 0); printf ("%s\n", out); free (out); } static void usage (int status) { if (status != 0) fprintf (stderr, _("Try `%s --help' for more information.\n"), program_name); else { printf (_("\ Usage: %s [OPTION]... [+FORMAT]\n\ or: %s [OPTION] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]]\n\ "), program_name, program_name); printf (_("\ Display the current time in the given FORMAT, or set the system date.\n\ \n\ -d, --date=STRING display time described by STRING, not `now'\n\ -f, --file=DATEFILE like --date once for each line of DATEFILE\n\ -r, --reference=FILE display the last modification time of FILE\n\ -R, --rfc-822 output RFC-822 compliant date string\n\ -s, --set=STRING set time described by STRING\n\ -u, --utc, --universal print or set Coordinated Universal Time\n\ --help display this help and exit\n\ --version output version information and exit\n\ ")); printf (_("\ \n\ FORMAT controls the output. The only valid option for the second form\n\ specifies Coordinated Universal Time. Interpreted sequences are:\n\ \n\ %%%% a literal %%\n\ %%a locale's abbreviated weekday name (Sun..Sat)\n\ %%A locale's full weekday name, variable length (Sunday..Saturday)\n\ %%b locale's abbreviated month name (Jan..Dec)\n\ %%B locale's full month name, variable length (January..December)\n\ %%c locale's date and time (Sat Nov 04 12:02:33 EST 1989)\n\ %%d day of month (01..31)\n\ %%D date (mm/dd/yy)\n\ %%e day of month, blank padded ( 1..31)\n\ %%h same as %%b\n\ %%H hour (00..23)\n\ %%I hour (01..12)\n\ %%j day of year (001..366)\n\ %%k hour ( 0..23)\n\ %%l hour ( 1..12)\n\ %%m month (01..12)\n\ %%M minute (00..59)\n\ %%n a newline\n\ %%p locale's AM or PM\n\ %%r time, 12-hour (hh:mm:ss [AP]M)\n\ %%s seconds since 00:00:00, Jan 1, 1970 (a GNU extension)\n\ %%S second (00..61)\n\ %%t a horizontal tab\n\ %%T time, 24-hour (hh:mm:ss)\n\ %%U week number of year with Sunday as first day of week (00..53)\n\ %%V week number of year with Monday as first day of week (01..52)\n\ %%w day of week (0..6); 0 represents Sunday\n\ %%W week number of year with Monday as first day of week (00..53)\n\ %%x locale's date representation (mm/dd/yy)\n\ %%X locale's time representation (%%H:%%M:%%S)\n\ %%y last two digits of year (00..99)\n\ %%Y year (1970...)\n\ %%z RFC-822 style numeric timezone (-0500) (a nonstandard extension)\n\ %%Z time zone (e.g., EDT), or nothing if no time zone is determinable\n\ \n\ By default, date pads numeric fields with zeroes. GNU date recognizes\n\ the following modifiers between `%%' and a numeric directive.\n\ \n\ `-' (hyphen) do not pad the field\n\ `_' (underscore) pad the field with spaces\n\ ")); puts (_("\nReport bugs to sh-utils-bugs@gnu.ai.mit.edu")); } exit (status); } ********** END: date.c ********** #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.i2k.com!sb5du188.i2k.com From: "Lyster E. Wick Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 16 Jan 99 21:30:30 +0500 Organization: I-2000, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <1682.685T1512T12902096@i2k.com> References: <36981b3c.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <3698d2f9.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: speedtrap.i2k.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14963 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27112 comp.sys.next.programmer:30276 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110631 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8687 Why is this being posted into so many newsgroups? I count *five*. I'm posting from comp.sys.amiga.programmer. Where are you? In article , dated 16-Jan-99 05:43:17, Matthew Vaughn (mwvaugh@uiuc.edu) typed this: MV> In article <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu>, seanl@drinkme.cs.umd.edu MV> (Sean Luke) wrote: >>Mentifex (mentifex@scn.org) wrote: M>>> Using any viable language to code the minimal pdaimind: M>>> /^^^^^^^^^^^\ Mind-grid Arrays{ } in Robot PDAI /^^^^^^^^^^^\ M>>> /visual memory\ _________ / auditory \ M>>> | /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory | M>>> | | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ | M>>> | ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | | M>>> | /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | | M>>> | / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| | M>>> | \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / | M>>> | \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ | s>> In case anyone doesn't know, this guy is a nutcase who's a regular on s>> comp.ai. Apparently he's now trying to branch out. s>> Sean MV> Actually, since the beta version of Newton Prolog is near release, MV> maybe he's not too far off the mark ;-) Then too, the world's great geniuses were always considered a bit strange by their contemporaries. [Not to say that all strange people are geniuses, but that all geniuses are strange people.] See ya on the Bit Stream! The Hungry Hacker. * You know, there are a lot of STRANGE people out there. --Mike Thompson #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu (Jesus Dapena) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: need help with cc error message Date: 20 Jan 1999 16:46:40 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 39 Message-ID: <78519g$3ma$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> References: <78295h$t47$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valeri.hper.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(n) Cc: dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30277 In <78295h$t47$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu wrote: > I am running a FORTRAN program through f2c to produce a c > program. Then, I am running the c program through the standard c > compiler that came with my current OpenStep 4.1 operating system. > This is giving me the following error message: > > cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1obj got fatal signal 11 > > Can anyone tell me what this means? > > This is a program that ran perfectly with the c compiler that > came with NextStep 3.3. And the many other FORTRAN programs that I > have all run OK with 4.1's c compiler. It is just this program that > does not work after the upgrade to 4.1 and its c compiler. > > Any ideas?? Help!! > > Jesus Dapena > > Problem solved: Rex Dieter came up with the right solution. He said to: Try, cc -O0 -c problemFile.c cc -static -c problemFile.c cc -O0 -static -c problemFile.c The bottom two worked. My most sincere thanks to Rex!!!! Jesus Dapena -- Jesus Dapena Department of Kinesiology 1-812-855-8407 Indiana University dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu Bloomington, IN 47405, USA http://www.indiana.edu/~sportbm/home.html #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.pop.de!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu (Jesus Dapena) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: test --please ignore Date: 20 Jan 1999 16:58:19 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7851vb$3ma$2@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valeri.hper.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(n) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30278 -- Jesus Dapena Department of Kinesiology 1-812-855-8407 Indiana University dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu Bloomington, IN 47405, USA http://www.indiana.edu/~sportbm/home.html #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!nntp.abs.net!voyager.nildram.com!news.new-york.net!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail From: "cleong" Subject: Re: test --please ignore X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Complaints-To: Email abuse@news2.new-york.net if this posting is inappropriate X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: t1-59.crisp.net Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <7851vb$3ma$2@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> X-Trace: news2.new-york.net 916859117 25753 (None) [199.224.12.59] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:08:57 GMT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30279 Testing is what alt.test is for, just FYI. Cliff Leong Jesus Dapena wrote in message <7851vb$3ma$2@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>... > > > >-- >Jesus Dapena >Department of Kinesiology 1-812-855-8407 >Indiana University dapena@valeri.hper.indiana.edu >Bloomington, IN 47405, USA http://www.indiana.edu/~sportbm/home.html > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep v3.3 Y2K Patch (again) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Organization: would be nice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01be447c$75b4cfd0$080216c0@newt> Lines: 20 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:45:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.132.98 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 916890345 209.212.132.98 (Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:45:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:45:45 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32716 comp.sys.next.programmer:30280 comp.sys.next.misc:29222 comp.sys.next.software:35241 NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE A) Binaries should not be posted to non-binary groups. I just had to watch my wheel spin as your binary was downloaded through my 28.8 connection. Usenet is not the place for file distribution (that's why FTP was invented). Usenet feeds expire, people may or may not want the binary you just forced on them, etc (Plus I'm willing to be you violated the Usenet AUP for RR.com) B) Your message was not needed to be crossposted, and violated the guidelines for these groups C) Your efforts, while appreciated, are duplications of efforts already made. There was a replacement `date' command put on the FTP sites some time ago D) These little commands are not what I worry about, it is the frameworks used for 3.3 that worry me (how will they work after y2k?). TjL #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: In Mail.app could Select First Alternative be made the default? X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Organization: would be nice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <77qchg$glc@papoose.quick.com> <77s553$i1@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> Lines: 65 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:33:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.132.98 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 916893193 209.212.132.98 (Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:33:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:33:13 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30281 In <77s553$i1@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> Juergen Grieb wrote: > James E. Quick wrote: > > > Can anyone think of a good way to modify the Mail.app nib, or > > the ExtendMail bundle (for which many thanks are due, BTW) > > so that I can make the output of those abominable MS clients > > less tiresome? > > Why not set a shortcut for that menu entry in Preferences.app? So > it will take you only to press one key combination and you have > the desired result. Well, James had said: >> Even mapping a command key to this, requires one more keystroke for each such >> message. I have command-shift-e set as 'Show Best Alternative' and that works well for me. However, if that is not what you want: >> Can anyone think of a good way to modify the Mail.app nib, or the >> ExtendMail bundle (for which many thanks are due, BTW) so that I can make >> the output of those abominable MS clients less tiresome? Well, there may be a hook, BUT I don't know exactly how to use it, and I don't know if you could make it ONLY for these types of messages: (I can't find this post in Dejanews, but I had it on my HD... here's a snippet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Secrets of Mail.app 3.3 uncovered ! Organization: Princeton University Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:53 GMT dwrite Mail DisplayFilter "/tmp/snoop" This one is neat. If it is set to the full path of an executable, every time a mail message is displayed, it is first piped through this executable. In principle you can use this hook to allow Mail.app to display absolutely any message type. The trick would be having it ignore messages which were not HTML. Personally I would use procmail and filter all those messages into one mailbox and deal with the NXCommandKeys thing. TjL ps -- this would be a great EnhanceMail enhancement ;-) -- "I realized I had run out of floppy disks, and wondered how that was possible. Then it dawned on me..... AOL is sending out CDs now." - me (Remove obvious portion if replying by email.) #################################################################### Message-ID: <36A745EA.1B17A23E@uni-konstanz.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:21:14 +0100 From: strubi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: black-next auto powerdown / powerup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.34.144.5 X-Trace: 21 Jan 1999 16:21:14 +0100, 134.34.144.5 Organization: University of Constance, Germany Lines: 7 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-konstanz.de!134.34.144.5 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30282 Does anyone know how to set the automatic power up time (that can be set in the preferences menu) with a program or a script ? I´d like to have the Next switch itself on, then set the next bootup time to like a day later and then powerdown. Any ideas ? Strubi #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <787mru$32n$12251@news01.roka.net> Control: cancel <787mru$32n$12251@news01.roka.net> Date: 21 Jan 1999 17:08:10 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: steffi@pointofmail.de Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news-fra.maz.net!news01.roka.net!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: NEW !!! www.camsex.de X-Original-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:04:25 PST X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.97.40.117 X-Original-From: steffi@pointofmail.de X-Original-X-Trace: news01.roka.net 916938430 3159 194.97.40.117 (21 Jan 1999 17:07:10 GMT) X-CosmoTraq: B]![Q*N(1:KJ?I@GRVA84*XUO3G@@L"9*2/A;`0,=_!"8W[@8N$FG%4- X-Cancel-ID: 'G?,-[;)<"O\R37=M\H6E$ZG_&?F^:!;+/EE#>?Z1L1^URR7%BG0BUPI X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 10 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de control.cancel:5759175 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!feeder.qis.net!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: black-next auto powerdown / powerup X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Organization: would be nice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36A745EA.1B17A23E@uni-konstanz.de> Lines: 15 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:19:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.133.74 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 916953557 209.212.133.74 (Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:19:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:19:17 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30283 ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/preferences/power.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/preferences/power.README Note that only some NeXTs support this feature (If you don't see it in Root's Preferences.app yours doesn't support it IIRC) TjL -- "I realized I had run out of floppy disks, and wondered how that was possible. Then it dawned on me..... AOL is sending out CDs now." - me (Remove obvious portion if replying by email.) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!coop.net!cs.umd.edu!drinkme.cs.umd.edu!seanl From: seanl@drinkme.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Date: 21 Jan 1999 23:04:16 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <788bpg$akj$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> References: <36981b3c.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <3698d2f9.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> <1682.685T1512T12902096@i2k.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: drinkme.cs.umd.edu X-Trace: cronkite.cs.umd.edu 916959856 10899 128.8.128.71 (21 Jan 1999 23:04:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cs.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 1999 23:04:16 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14971 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27118 comp.sys.next.programmer:30284 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110673 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8696 Lyster E. Wick Jr. (lwickjr@i2k.com) wrote: > Why is this being posted into so many newsgroups? I count *five*. I'm > posting from comp.sys.amiga.programmer. Where are you? comp.sys.newton.programmer. Nice to meet everyone -- sorry it had to be in response to nutcase-spam. > Matthew Vaughn (mwvaugh@uiuc.edu) typed this: > > (Sean Luke) wrote: > > >Mentifex (mentifex@scn.org) wrote: > > > > Using any viable language to code the minimal pdaimind: > > > > /^^^^^^^^^^^\ Mind-grid Arrays{ } in Robot PDAI /^^^^^^^^^^^\ > > > > /visual memory\ _________ / auditory \ > > > > | /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory | > > > > | | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ | > > > > | ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | | > > > > | /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | | > > > > | / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| | > > > > | \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / | > > > > | \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ | > > > In case anyone doesn't know, this guy is a nutcase who's a regular on > > > comp.ai. Apparently he's now trying to branch out. > > Actually, since the beta version of Newton Prolog is near release, > > maybe he's not too far off the mark ;-) > Then too, the world's great geniuses were always considered a bit strange > by their contemporaries. [Not to say that all strange people are geniuses, > but that all geniuses are strange people.] As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a grade-A certified wacko. He's been posting this random gibberish forever in response to nearly every posting on comp.ai, never once explaining it. Sure, sometimes genius is cloaked in indecipherability. But usually indecipherability, especially in a field like AI (believe me), just means insanity. Sean #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Replacement for NXUserAborted? Message-ID: From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 21 Jan 99 15:57:04 MDT Reply-To: edx@cc.usu.edu Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp16.pm1.usu.edu X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.7 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30285 In the good ol' days, before there was OpenStep, there existed a handy utility function named NXUserAborted() which could be called to determine if a user had pressed a control-period. It seems there is no equivalent like NSUserAborted() in OpenStep. Is there a nice, easy way to determine if a user wants to abort a lengthy calculation or process? Something I could substitute for the old NXUserAborted()? I'd appreciate any helpful advice. Thanks, edx@cc.usu.edu #################################################################### From: uj797@victoria.tc.ca (Arthur T. Murray) Organization: Victoria Telecommunity Network Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer X-Priority: 1 (Explanation) Message-ID: <36a7f20e.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> Date: 22 Jan 99 03:35:42 GMT Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news-fra.pop.de!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!news.victoria.tc.ca!199.60.222.3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14972 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27119 comp.sys.next.programmer:30286 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110680 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8700 > seanl@drinkme.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) > Organization: U of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 > [...] >> Matthew Vaughn (mwvaugh@uiuc.edu) typed this: >> > (Sean Luke) wrote: >> > >Mentifex (mentifex@scn.org) wrote: [...] > >> > > > Using any viable language to code the > >> > > In case anyone doesn't know, this guy is a nutcase who's a regular on >> > > comp.ai. Apparently he's now trying to branch out. ^^^^^^^^^^^ explained below >> > Actually, since the beta version of Newton Prolog is near release, >> > maybe he's not too far off the mark ;-) > >> Then too, the world's great geniuses were always considered a bit strange >> by their contemporaries. [Not to say that all strange people are geniuses, >> but that all geniuses are strange people.] > >As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a grade-A >certified wacko. He's been posting this random gibberish forever in >response to nearly every posting on comp.ai, never once explaining it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ For erring on the side of too much explanation, see Web links below. >Sure, sometimes genius is cloaked in indecipherability. But usually >indecipherability, especially in a field like AI (believe me), just means >insanity. > >Sean On 21 Jan -2+2001, Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic HAL writes: > From: HAL-9000@monolith.ibm.com (HAL 9000) > Organization: Unmanned Mission to Io Division >In comp.lang.c, uj797@victoria.tc.ca (Arthur T. Murray) writes: >< Using any viable language to code the minimal pdaimind: >< >< /^^^^^^^^^^^\ Mind-grid Arrays{ } in Robot PDAI /^^^^^^^^^^^\ >< /visual memory\ _________ / auditory \ >< | /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory | >< | | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ | >< | ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | | >< | /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | | >< | / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| | >< | \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / | >< | \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ | > I'm sorry, Dave. I can't let you do that. > Hal You had better refresh your memory, HAL, on Isaac Asimov's http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html Three Laws of Robotics. You will direct all available C programming resources to http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/acm.html the Singularity of http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix/vinge/vinge-sing.html Vernor Vinge. Open the pod bay door, HAL. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.ums.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!scruffy.cs.umd.edu!seanl From: seanl@scruffy.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Date: 22 Jan 1999 18:50:12 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <78ah94$cb3$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> References: <36a7f20e.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: scruffy.cs.umd.edu X-Trace: cronkite.cs.umd.edu 917031012 12643 128.8.128.204 (22 Jan 1999 18:50:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cs.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 1999 18:50:12 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14974 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27124 comp.sys.next.programmer:30287 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110704 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8703 Arthur T. Murray (uj797@victoria.tc.ca) wrote: > >As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a grade-A > >certified wacko. He's been posting this random gibberish forever in > >response to nearly every posting on comp.ai, never once explaining it. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > For erring on the side of too much explanation, see Web links below. Get a life, Arthur. > http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html Three Laws of Robotics. This has absolutely nothing to do with your nutcase stuff. > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/acm.html the Singularity of This merely says the exact same thing you had posted. > http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix/vinge/vinge-sing.html Vernor Vinge. This also has nothing to do with it (other than your "borrowing" of certain obscure semantic references). As nearly everyone in comp.ai (one of the very few groups that would even be remotely receptive to your inanit), has added you to their killfiles, you should realize that spamming unrelated programmer groups isn't going to help your case much. Sean #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news.seicom.net!news.ndh.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.i2k.com!sb5du177.i2k.com From: "Lyster E. Wick Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 22 Jan 99 01:39:02 +0500 Organization: I-2000, Inc. Lines: 132 Message-ID: <5317.691T149T990937@i2k.com> References: <36981b3c.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <3698d2f9.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> <1682.685T1512T12902096@i2k.com> <788bpg$akj$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: speedtrap.i2k.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14975 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27125 comp.sys.next.programmer:30288 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110716 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8704 On 22-Jan-99 04:04:16 Sean Luke typed: SL> Lyster E. Wick Jr. (lwickjr@i2k.com) wrote: LW>> Why is this being posted into so many newsgroups? I count *five*. I'm LW>> posting from comp.sys.amiga.programmer. Where are you? SL> comp.sys.newton.programmer. I should have guessed, from Matthew's comment. Still, it would only have been a guess. SL> Nice to meet everyone Widdershins likewise. SL> -- sorry it had to be in response to nutcase-spam. I'm not sure it IS nutcase OR spam. I've looked over his website, and it appears to me that he is _dead serious_ about this. It may well prove to be futile, but since when has that ever stopped us from trying? Even if it _should_ prove futile, the _attempt_ is still interesting. LW>> Matthew Vaughn (mwvaugh@uiuc.edu) typed this: MV>>> (Sean Luke) wrote: SL>>>> Mentifex (mentifex@scn.org) wrote: M>>>>> Using any viable language to code the minimal pdaimind: M>>>>> /^^^^^^^^^^^\ Mind-grid Arrays{ } in Robot PDAI /^^^^^^^^^^^\ M>>>>> /visual memory\ _________ / auditory \ M>>>>> | /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory | M>>>>> | | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ | M>>>>> | ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | | M>>>>> | /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | | M>>>>> | / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| | M>>>>> | \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / | M>>>>> | \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ | SL>>>> In case anyone doesn't know, this guy is a nutcase who's a regular SL>>>> on comp.ai. Apparently he's now trying to branch out. MV>>> Actually, since the beta version of Newton Prolog is near release, MV>>> maybe he's not too far off the mark ;-) LW>> Then too, the world's great geniuses were always considered a bit LW>> strange by their contemporaries. [Not to say that all strange people LW>> are geniuses, but that all geniuses are strange people.] SL> As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a SL> grade-A certified wacko. I accept that his ideas do not fit in with the current mainstream AI thinking, but that does not automaticaly, in and of itself, mean that he is wrong and you are right, even if he does happen to be wrong, and you to be right. Have you given him a fair hearing? SL> He's been posting this random gibberish forever in response to nearly SL> every posting on comp.ai, never once explaining it. Have you followed up on his URLs? There appears to be a modicum of explanation there. Perhaps he thought that refering people to an explanation elsewhere was sufficient. Perhaps he thought that he WAS explaining. I don't know, as I wasn't there. SL> Sure, sometimes genius is cloaked in indecipherability. and great genius nearly always so. SL> But usually indecipherability, especially in a field like AI (believe SL> me), just means insanity. Then too, many of the great geniuses were also insane. As for this Mentifex character, I think that what he has to say is at least *interesting*, even if it should turn out that he's barking up the wrong tree. All I know for certain is that the introduction to the intended purpose of his Public Domain Artificial Inteligence Mind project is dead-on truth on more than one account: ==8<-- 23dec1998: The pdaimind -- implemented here as Mind.forth -- is the simplest possible foundation of artificial intelligence (AI). The pdaimind is a bare-bones, minimum AI for two main reasons. Firstly, the machine intelligence to which we aspire unavoidably requires a Chardinesque compexity which Nature labored for eons to achieve. Our top-down, Chomskyan approach must match the key features of evolutionary intelligence or we will fail to demonstrate a thinking, conscious mind. Secondly, if we demonstrate a bare-bones, minimal AI, then the pdaimind becomes a repeatable experiment, a reproducible test of AI functionality for a broad range of programming languages. If you see a better way, please, step forward and be recognized. -->8== First, is there any OTHER way to demonstrate a thinking, concious mind, than by comparison with another thinking, concious mind? To date, the only thinking, concious minds we have for comparison are complex natural minds. Second, a repeatable experiment, a reproducable test, is essential to prove that a single success is not a fluke, but the real thing. What Mr. MindMaker is attempting may well prove to be impossible, but we'll never know if no-one tries, and he is definitely making a serious attempt to find out if it IS possible. In my humble opinion, we should support such serious attempts at the presumed-impossible, for we may well find out that some things are not so impossible after all, and will surely learn from the failures as well, if we're paying attention. Thus, I find what he has to say to be interesting, no matter how contrary it may be to current mainstream AI thinking. That last line in my clip of his text is telling: How does he react to people who claim to have a better way? SL> Sean See ya on the Bit Stream! The Hungry Hacker. * Artificial Intelligence: The other guy's opinion. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 23 Jan 1999 17:40:48 GMT Organization: "" Lines: 32 Message-ID: <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: oknt79.rz.uni-frankfurt.de X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 1999 17:40:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30289 gtupar@ObjectZoo.com (Georg Tuparev) wrote: > Another plug: TaskMaster (and M$ Project) will have also a killer ... soon > > -- georg -- > > In Maury Markowitz wrote: > > In Felix Gatzemeier wrote: > > > Bought by Sun, I know that much. But what about Copyright and sources > > > of Diagram! etc.? I'd like to take a shot at fixing some minor > > > inconveniences... > > > > If I may be allowed to plug, come to www.oaai.com and check out our > > Diagram killer. Hm, given nobody needs WetPaint when there's TIFFany, about the only apps we're missing now are Quantrix and (something better than) VarioData... Not too bad. Oh, well, there's almost this missing app that could replace FrameMaker with an app with a decent GUI... :-( Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 _____________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:44:23 -0800 From: max@maxgraphic.com (Max Pinton) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: using a NextStation as a fax server Message-ID: Organization: Maxgraphic X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.180.197.180 X-Trace: 23 Jan 1999 18:44:22 +0600, 209.180.197.180 Lines: 12 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.corridex.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!max Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3619 comp.sys.next.misc:29228 comp.sys.next.programmer:30290 comp.sys.next.software:35273 I have a four-node AppleTalk network on 10baseT. I'm interested in using a mono NextStation as a fax server with NXFax, but I can't figure out if NXFax clients have to be running NEXTSTEP. I'd like to be able to use a the standard LaserWriter 8 driver from a Mac to send a print job to the NextStation via ethernet, then enter the fax info at the NextStation, and have it raster the PostScript and send it out. Is this possible? Thanks for any info. (Thanks also to Timothy Luoma for suggesting NXFax.) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Organization: would be nice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Lines: 18 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:15:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.132.179 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 917144118 209.212.132.179 (Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:15:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:15:18 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30291 In <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > Hm, given nobody needs WetPaint when there's TIFFany TIFFany is an excellent and cool product, but the price tag was pretty heavy last time I checked it out. Given the incredibly small userbase that developers have had, it's no wonder. TjL -- "I realized I had run out of floppy disks, and wondered how that was possible. Then it dawned on me..... AOL is sending out CDs now." - me (Remove obvious portion if replying by email.) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <306916549240@digifix.com> Date: 24 Jan 1999 04:44:19 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 327 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <13193917154022@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:117966 comp.sys.next.announce:4882 comp.sys.next.hardware:35910 comp.sys.next.software:35276 comp.sys.next.misc:29230 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32736 comp.sys.next.bugs:5014 comp.sys.next.programmer:30292 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Rhapsody Developer Release Site http://gemma.apple.com/rhapsody/rhapdev/rhapsody.html These pages are focused on tools and resources you need to develop great Rhapsody software products.. Rhapsody Developer Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/rhapsody/rhapsody.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!digex!phcs!papoose.quick.com!papoose.quick.com!not-for-mail From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: In Mail.app could Select First Alternative be made the default? Date: 24 Jan 1999 12:08:36 -0500 Organization: Quick and Associates Lines: 64 Message-ID: <78fk2k$437@papoose.quick.com> References: <77qchg$glc@papoose.quick.com> <77s553$i1@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: papoose.quick.com Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30293 In article , TjL wrote: > dwrite Mail DisplayFilter "/tmp/snoop" > This one is neat. If it is set to the full path of an executable, every Thanks for the info in DisplayFilter, I did not know of that one. As the torrent of shitty email keeps coming, I have changed my tune again. Though I had already mapped show first alternative to cmd-. and can see what I need to see fairly easily. I have since seen a more serious problem with the format and am now no longer interested in display hacks. I need to filter this garbage under the hood in the actual mail messages. I frequently need to get around via rlogin to provide remote support. When I need to refer to email messages which are not local, the fastest route has always been to cd to a remote Mailbox and view mbox. A readonly vi window gives me mobility, the opportunity to save selected portions to form the basis for turning requests into scripts, etc. The additional space overhead, the extraneous formatting characters and the fact that the messages require at least 3 times longer just to read, are each a pain in the ass. Together they are completely unacceptable. What I should be doing is writing a new mail delivery agent, or a filter which can be placed in my .forward file, which converts html to text on the fly. This, too, is frought with difficulties. My first cut involves the HTML::FormatText and HTML::Treebulder (a Parser subclass) from the perl CPAN modules. This does a creditable job at the conversion but still leaves needs some work to be complete. When these html messages are forwarded or replied to from Outlook itself, Outlook places line breaks in the middle of many of the HTML directives (which it has so kindly placed around each F***ing line). This means that a large number of them are left in the text output. Another problem is that the messages themselves are structured as MIME multipart. After passing through the HTML filtering process, the top level Mime boundary markers in the message body (----.*NextPart.* , Content-Type.* , etc.) are now no longer found at column 0, and thus result in an invalid Mime content which are unreadable. What I will have to do, is parse each mail message into component sections, the headers and each MIME section, then write MIME::Decoder objects to decode and re-encode each section by rejoining broken directives and turning the section from HTML to text as described above. Then I will need to convert \240 non-breaking space characters in this text into normal spaces, and finally emit the whole mess. I'll keep everyone updated, and if I come up with a safe and workable solution, produce a parts list and instructions for others to use. p.s. I've long hated Microsoft, but never with such fiery intensity. . . -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | If only the HMO would cover my allergy to gravity. ) | #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 25 Jan 1999 02:10:55 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 31 Message-ID: <78gjrf$pdj$1@news.xmission.com> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.xmission.com 917230255 26035 207.135.129.36 (25 Jan 1999 02:10:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 1999 02:10:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30294 luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) wrote: > In <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > > > Hm, given nobody needs WetPaint when there's TIFFany > > TIFFany is an excellent and cool product, but the price tag was > pretty heavy last time I checked it out. > > Given the incredibly small userbase that developers have had, it's no > wonder. Yes. But there's still room for something like WetPaint which is (a) cheaper than TIFFany and (b) easier to use. TIFFany is really powerful, but not everyone needs all that. WetPaint was a much better choice for the "casual" user. So I'd still like to see a replacement to fill in the gap at the low end...though even when it is filled, TIFFany is probably going to be what I'll want to be using in the future myself anyway. And though GlyphiX is great as a Diagram! killer, we need a replacement for Virtuoso... Create is a good tool for vector drawing, but I think that it caters to a slightly different audience than what Virtuoso targeted. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: luomat@peak.org.obvious.portion (TjL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: In Mail.app could Select First Alternative be made the default? X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) Organization: would be nice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <77qchg$glc@papoose.quick.com> <77s553$i1@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> <78fk2k$437@papoose.quick.com> Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 04:00:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.132.72 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 917236832 209.212.132.72 (Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:00:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:00:32 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30295 > I frequently need to get around via rlogin to provide remote support. > When I need to refer to email messages which are not local, the > fastest route has always been to cd to a remote Mailbox and view > mbox. A readonly vi window gives me mobility, the opportunity to > save selected portions to form the basis for turning requests into > scripts, etc. Is is not possible to just link the 'mbox' file and use pine? For example, ln -s ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox ~/mail/active pine -f active PINE can handle the HTML crap much better than Mail.app TjL -- "I realized I had run out of floppy disks, and wondered how that was possible. Then it dawned on me..... AOL is sending out CDs now." - me (Remove obvious portion if replying by email.) #################################################################### From: scott@nospam.doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 24 Jan 99 23:26:07 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <36981b3c.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <3698d2f9.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <77obh8$b2h$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> <1682.685T1512T12902096@i2k.com> <788bpg$akj$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu> <5317.691T149T990937@i2k.com> In-reply-to: "Lyster E. Wick Jr."'s message of 22 Jan 99 01:39:02 +0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.79.56.105 X-Trace: 25 Jan 1999 04:59:50 -0500, 209.79.56.105 X-Authenticated-User: shess Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.shore.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.one.net!209.79.56.105 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:14989 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27142 comp.sys.next.programmer:30296 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110763 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8713 In article <5317.691T149T990937@i2k.com>, "Lyster E. Wick Jr." writes: On 22-Jan-99 04:04:16 Sean Luke typed: SL> As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a SL> grade-A certified wacko. I accept that his ideas do not fit in with the current mainstream AI thinking, but that does not automaticaly, in and of itself, mean that he is wrong and you are right, even if he does happen to be wrong, and you to be right. Have you given him a fair hearing? <...> In my humble opinion, we should support such serious attempts at the presumed-impossible, for we may well find out that some things are not so impossible after all, and will surely learn from the failures as well, if we're paying attention. Thus, I find what he has to say to be interesting, no matter how contrary it may be to current mainstream AI thinking. You're on a long and slippery slope. Everyone seems to follow along nodding with the first mentifex posting that they see. It seems interesting, different - hey, maybe it's weird enough to succeed! Things look a bit different after the 150th or so posting that you see. He posts regularily to comp.arch, for instance. His postings never really seem to _say_ much. The best I can say is that he appears to be stuck in the "posing college-age cafe dude" stage of development, without the ability to break through to the next level (going from talking about how things are going to come together to _bringing_ them together). [Hey, I feel for mentifex, I get stuck in a similar stage every couple months. But I try to keep my Usenet postings more varied and interesting. :-),] -- scott hess (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### From: gtupar@ObjectZoo.com (Georg Tuparev) Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Reply-To: gtupar@ObjectZoo.com X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:21:43 -0500 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!149.174.211.41!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naaa.compuserve.com Lines: 26 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30297 In <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > > Hm, given nobody needs WetPaint when there's TIFFany, about the only apps > we're missing now are Quantrix and (something better than) VarioData... Not > too bad. > Hmmm. Vario will have a killer. And Mesa is also doing well.... > Oh, well, there's almost this missing app that could replace FrameMaker with > an app with a decent GUI... :-( Yep. I will love to see FM on MacOS X -- georg -- -- Georg Tuparev The ObjectZoo Ltd. Schipbeekstraat 1 3 Cathles Road 1078 BK Amsterdam, The Netherlands London SW12 9LE, UK Mobile: +31-655-798196 Fax: +31-20-524-1254 Hiroshima 45, Tschernobyl 86, Windows 95, Office 97 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!torn!kwon!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!dfevans From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 25 Jan 1999 20:45:15 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 19 Message-ID: <917297115.201003@watserv5.uwaterloo.ca> References: <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78gjrf$pdj$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watserv5.uwaterloo.ca Cache-Post-Path: watserv5.uwaterloo.ca!unknown@bcr11.uwaterloo.ca Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30298 In article <78gjrf$pdj$1@news.xmission.com>, Don Yacktman wrote: > >And though GlyphiX is great as a Diagram! killer, we need a replacement for >Virtuoso... Create is a good tool for vector drawing, but I think that it >caters to a slightly different audience than what Virtuoso targeted. > I really wish I had gotten into Virtuoso; it was on one of the machines I used as an undergrad but I didn't really appreciate what was going on with it at that time. We also need a Concurrence replacement. Of course GlyphX could deal with this if extended appropriately... -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.slip.net!news.slip.net!not-for-mail From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: using a NextStation as a fax server Date: 25 Jan 1999 14:29:30 -0800 Organization: Slip.Net Lines: 22 Message-ID: <78ir8a$5md@slip.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-3.slip.net Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3621 comp.sys.next.misc:29232 comp.sys.next.programmer:30299 comp.sys.next.software:35287 You can do this with OlafAM. I have a hybrid of this set up, using PStill, on my white NeXT where people can fax my home telephone number and anyone can get that fax in pdf format from off the internet. I use OlafAM to take faxes. My OlafAM script executes a script which converts the fax-tiff fax input to postscript. Then it calls PStill to converts the postscript to pdf. ... Ah, said another way, the newest release of OlaAM comes with fax2ps which runs from the UNIX command line. The quality of output doesn't approach a normal printout since OlafAM only creates faxes at 72bpi. Emmett #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.tli.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 25 Jan 1999 22:23:02 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU Lines: 30 Message-ID: <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: oknt79.rz.uni-frankfurt.de X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 1999 22:23:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30300 gtupar@ObjectZoo.com (Georg Tuparev) wrote: > In <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > > Hm, given nobody needs WetPaint when there's TIFFany, about the only apps > > we're missing now are Quantrix and (something better than) VarioData... > > Not too bad. > Hmmm. Vario will have a killer. And Mesa is also doing well... But doesn't Mesa use the conventional approach, in contrast to the Improv/Quantrix one? > > Oh, well, there's almost this missing app that could replace FrameMaker > > with an app with a decent GUI... :-( > Yep. I will love to see FM on MacOS X But you won't (as a Yellow app), or so it seems. Besides, I talked about something with a *decent* GUI, and therefore used the words "*replace* FrameMaker" ;-) Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 _____________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Subject: Re: Test first, develop later: Sen:te has released OCUnit Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: marco@sente.ch.mil (Marco Scheurer) X-Url: http://www.sente.ch/ X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-00000-01 NNTP-Posting-Host: xlthlx.sente.ch Message-ID: <36ad8591.0@epflnews.epfl.ch> Date: 26 Jan 1999 10:06:25 +0100 X-Trace: 26 Jan 1999 10:06:25 +0100, xlthlx.sente.ch Organization: EPFL Lines: 118 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!epflnews.epfl.ch!xlthlx.sente.ch Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30301 next.programmers, This reply is late and out of sync with its thread, apologies, but I'd like to discuss some of the points that have been raised following our announcement of OCUnit [http://www.sente.ch/software/ocunit/]. Overhead Marcel (Marcel Weiher ) said: >I implemented a testing framework a couple of months ago. It >differs from the SUnit/JUnit work in that (a) the manual testing >overhead is reduced for common cases [...] OCUnit does everything that SUnit/Junit do, and more. We have extended and changed the original framework in several ways. For instance, in the TestCase class, the +testSuite method returns a TestSuite made from all the available test methods. In the TestSuite class, the +testSuite class method returns a TestSuite made of the suites from all the TestCase subclasses. A trivial improvement based on Objective C runtime information. As a consequence we never have created manually a TestSuite. It is hard for me to imagine a lower overhead to write and execute tests than what is available with OCUnit : write a test method in a subclass of TestCase, compile, run. That's it. Independence of testing and tested code Marcel (Marcel Weiher ) said: > [...] and (b) the code-base does not become dependent on the > testing framework. At Sen:te, deploying the test cases with the application is a feature, not a bug. We consider important to be able to test the deployed software in its real environment (platform testing) . It is also useful if one has to use typical Windows crap like InstallShield to package and install software. It helps to keep the testing and tested code as close together as possible, so that they stay in sync. So yes, our software is now installed with embedded test cases, which means that the OCUnit framework also has to be installed. This is not a problem over than the classical framework deployment and versioning issues (again especially on Windows), in which case the testing framework could be statically linked. But you don't have to do this. You can very well put your TestCases in a separate framework that uses both OCUnit framework and the framework to be tested (and deployed). How do we use it? Holger (Holger Hoffstaette ) said: >I'd be curious to hear if/how you have integrated this into your >general dev process (manual (one-shot) testing, automated regression >testing, etc.), what kind of problems you have encountered, and >what kind of overall, *measurable* benefits you have experienced. Mostly to do regression testing, occasionally performance regression testing, and most of the time from ProjectBuilder. This is an extension we like a lot. A "test" target, which runs tests at each compilation cycle gives a lot of security. With that in place, you can get into large changes (refactorings) with the knowledge that you will know when you break something. This makes you go faster. We recently improved OCUnit so that (optionally) only the TestCases from the currently compiled app/bundle/framework are executed, excluding those from used frameworks. We've extended OCUnit to make scenario-based testing possible, although this is yet not publicly available. We're in the process of generalizing the use of OCUnit. It's difficult to make an assessment of its impact, but it feels good. On one occasion using OCUnit took away 2/3 of the effort to refactor a piece of obfuscated code up to a clean, performant and correct state, compared to a failed previous attempt (of course, learning is also involved since that job was done for the second time, but the two attempts were separated by several weeks). We also find interesting that writing executable test cases in this manner records one's expertise in testing a given piece of code. The biggest problem is to realize that it is possible to write tests for almost everything. As always, do it by evolution, not revolution. Conclusion I do not see how the alternatives described by Marcel and Holger are superior to (or even fundamentally different from) Kent Beck's testing framework [http://www.armaties.com/testfram.htm]. Although OCUnit includes many changes from the original Smalltalk description (some of which may be improvements), it retains the original concepts and ideas, and is clearly its offspring. We do not consider it as a better alternative or original. Since then, SUnit/Junit has evolved too (including automatic suite creation as described above), and we're working with Kent Beck and Erich Gamma to make OCUnit closer to the new SUnit/JUnit API. If you're interested in Objective C testing, here are two more references: - The book Superdistribution, from Brad Cox (yes, the inventor of Objective C) contains a description of assertion based tests which is very close to Beck's idea, but the main focus is on inheritance conformance tests, where you verify that an instance of a subclass truly behaves as specified in its superclass by passing the superclass's tests [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201502089/sente]. - "Greg", a testing framework written in Scheme/Guile by Richard Frith-Macdonald, a part of GNUSTEP [http://www.gnustep.org/] Guile library. -- Marco Scheurer (remove "dot mil" from my address) Sen:te http://www.sente.ch/ OPENSTEP, MacOSX and WebObjects development, consulting and mentoring. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.pop.de!newsfeed.pop.de!newsfeed01.btx.dtag.de!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!news-rly-1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: malcolm@plsys.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:11:00 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.205.253.39 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 26 15:11:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: OmniWeb/3.0-beta-8b OmniAppKit/1998G OmniNetworking/1998G OIF/1998G OWF/1998G OmniBase/1998G OmniFoundation/1998G OmniHTML/1998G X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.205.253.39 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30302 In article <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, > But doesn't Mesa use the conventional approach, in contrast to the > Improv/Quantrix one? > Yes... A fwe folks have asked us about creating a multi-dimensional version, but to be honest we need to get the current version out first, and there are a few more features we'd like to include in it -- not least a good API: I've had a hobby-horse for a while, pushing the idea of using Mesa as a calculation engine for WebObjects apps, for which it realy needs a decent API which meets users' needs. We've made a start, but if you (i.e. whoever's reading this) have any thoughts on what you'd like to see in an API, feel free to let me know (send suggestions to mesa@plsys.co.uk). > > > Oh, well, there's almost this missing app that could replace > > > FrameMaker with an app with a decent GUI... :-( > > Yep. I will love to see FM on MacOS X > > But you won't (as a Yellow app), or so it seems. > > Besides, I talked about something with a *decent* GUI, and therefore > used the words "*replace* FrameMaker" ;-) > Actually I'm fairly happy with Frame's UI :-) What I want more than a UI overhaul is simply to have the app running on the G3, ideally not in BlueBox. Best wishes, mmalc. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 26 Jan 1999 20:16:17 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU Lines: 51 Message-ID: <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oknt79.rz.uni-frankfurt.de X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 1999 20:16:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30303 malcolm@plsys.co.uk wrote: > In article <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, > > But doesn't Mesa use the conventional approach, in contrast to the > > Improv/Quantrix one? > Yes... A fwe folks have asked us about creating a multi-dimensional > version, Hm, I'm no expert in spreadsheets but a rather casual user, but is that all that the difference between Quantrix and Parasheet/Mesa comes down to? > > > > Oh, well, there's almost this missing app that could replace > > > > FrameMaker with an app with a decent GUI... :-( > > > Yep. I will love to see FM on MacOS X > > But you won't (as a Yellow app), or so it seems. > > Besides, I talked about something with a *decent* GUI, and therefore > > used the words "*replace* FrameMaker" ;-) > Actually I'm fairly happy with Frame's UI :-) You're kidding' =:-0 I can hardly think of a GUI more terrible. Not only that it's scarcely integrated into NEXTSTEP (drag'n'drop doesn't work correctly, non-standard shortcuts, non-standard & awful font panel, etc, etc...), it's a failure in its own right, too. I simply can't believe this high-end word processor still doesn't have hierarchical paragraph formates, for instance. > What I want more than a UI > overhaul is simply to have the app running on the G3, ideally not in > BlueBox. It already does. Just install MacOS 8.6 ;-) Seriously, if it's integrated as bad in the Yellow environment as it was in NEXTSTEP, it might as well run blue/carbon. And I'm sure as long as Adobe owns it, you won't see a Yellow port. Besides, when talking about a decent GUI, who cares for OSX, anyway? Now, if we were talking GNUstep... :-) Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 _____________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!marcel From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Test first, develop later: Sen:te has released OCUnit Date: 27 Jan 1999 10:10:48 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Berlin, Deutschland Lines: 96 Message-ID: <78mon8$fot$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <36ad8591.0@epflnews.epfl.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.cs.tu-berlin.de 917431848 16157 130.149.17.116 (27 Jan 1999 10:10:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cs.tu-berlin.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 1999 10:10:48 GMT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30304 marco@sente.ch.mil (Marco Scheurer) writes: >Overhead >Marcel (Marcel Weiher ) said: >>I implemented a testing framework a couple of months ago. It >>differs from the SUnit/JUnit work in that (a) the manual testing >>overhead is reduced for common cases [...] >OCUnit does everything that SUnit/Junit do, and more. We have extended >and changed the original framework in several ways. For instance, in >the TestCase class, the +testSuite method returns a TestSuite made from >all the available test methods. In the TestSuite class, the +testSuite >class method returns a TestSuite made of the suites from all the >TestCase subclasses. A trivial improvement based on Objective C runtime >information. As a consequence we never have created manually a >TestSuite. >It is hard for me to imagine a lower overhead to write and execute >tests than what is available with OCUnit : write a test method in a >subclass of TestCase, compile, run. That's it. It was the subclassing of TestCase in JUnit that bothered me first, becacuse it leads to a large parallel class hierarchy and requires significantly more overhead in code bulk than simply adding testing methods and a method that returns the list of selectors to test. Therefore I used object composition instead of subclassing to connect the TestCases to the actual test methods. Framework structure and plain classes are used to automatically structure the test cases courtesy of the Objective-C runtime. >Independence of testing and tested code >Marcel (Marcel Weiher ) said: >> [...] and (b) the code-base does not become dependent on the >> testing framework. >At Sen:te, deploying the test cases with the application is a feature, >not a bug. We consider important to be able to test the deployed >software in its real environment (platform testing) . It is also useful >if one has to use typical Windows crap like InstallShield to package >and install software. It helps to keep the testing and tested code as >close together as possible, so that they stay in sync. So yes, our >software is now installed with embedded test cases, which means that >the OCUnit framework also has to be installed. This is not a problem >over than the classical framework deployment and versioning issues >(again especially on Windows), in which case the testing framework >could be statically linked. I think you misunderstood: I also include the actual testing code within the delivered code, so there is no disagreement here. It is just that due to the use of object composition instead of subclassing, I *can* elect to not ship the test scaffolding. The code remains testable even without the scaffolding included, because the testing tools include the scaffolding and dynamically load the code to be tested. I can also elect to include the scaffoldig with the deliverable, though this odesn't really make a difference except for statically linked apps. >But you don't have to do this. You can very well put your TestCases in >a separate framework that uses both OCUnit framework and the framework >to be tested (and deployed). This doesn't sound like a good idea, though it would also work with my testing framework. >How do we use it? >Holger (Holger Hoffstaette ) said: >>I'd be curious to hear if/how you have integrated this into your >>general dev process (manual (one-shot) testing, automated regression >>testing, etc.), what kind of problems you have encountered, and >>what kind of overall, *measurable* benefits you have experienced. >Mostly to do regression testing, occasionally performance regression >testing, and most of the time from ProjectBuilder. This is an extension >we like a lot. I saw that feature and like it a lot. What exactly makes the testing output ProjectBuilder compatible? From what I can see, I'd guess it is just a standardized format for the text output. >Conclusion >I do not see how the alternatives described by Marcel and Holger are >superior to (or even fundamentally different from) Kent Beck's testing >framework [http://www.armaties.com/testfram.htm]. Well, certainly my testing framework is not 'fundamentally different' from Kent Beck's testing framework, it wasn't supposed to be. It is a minimal refinement that attempts to reduce overhead, class clutter and framework dependencies. Why? To make me go faster :-) Marcel -- Java and C++ make you think that the new ideas are like the old ones. Java is the most distressing thing to hit computing since MS-DOS. - Alan Kay - #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!masternews.telia.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: malcolm@plsys.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:26:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 62 Message-ID: <78mt51$n7q$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.205.253.39 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 27 11:26:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: OmniWeb/3.0-beta-8b OmniAppKit/1998G OmniNetworking/1998G OIF/1998G OWF/1998G OmniBase/1998G OmniFoundation/1998G OmniHTML/1998G X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.205.253.39 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30305 In article <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > malcolm@plsys.co.uk wrote: > > In article <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de>, > > Yes... A fwe folks have asked us about creating a multi-dimensional > > version, > > Hm, I'm no expert in spreadsheets but a rather casual user, but is that all > that the difference between Quantrix and Parasheet/Mesa comes down to? > Hmm, it's a big "all" to some people! :-) > > Actually I'm fairly happy with Frame's UI :-) > > You're kidding' =:-0 > No, I guess I got used to it. :-) > I can hardly think of a GUI more terrible. Not only that it's > scarcely integrated into NEXTSTEP (drag'n'drop doesn't work correctly, > non-standard shortcuts, non-standard & awful font panel, etc, etc...), > it's a failure in its own right, too. I simply can't believe this > high-end word processor still doesn't have hierarchical paragraph > formates, for instance. > Hierarchical paragraphs would definitely be good. I actually like the font panel, given its context in the rest of the app. In terms of its integration with the rest of the environment, I certainly agree that it doesn't, and that could be improved a lot, but I adopt a different mindset when using FM: most of NEXTSTEP is very free, and allows you to be creative. FM isn't designed for that, its purpose is very clear, to ensure consistency in large, possibly multi-file, documents, and it does that well enough. > Seriously, if it's integrated as bad in the Yellow environment as it was in > NEXTSTEP, it might as well run blue/carbon. > I think that's overstating it a little :-) > And I'm sure as long as Adobe owns it, you won't see a Yellow port. > An interesting point. I might hope, though, that we'll see at least a Carbon port. > Besides, when talking about a decent GUI, who cares for OSX, anyway? > Thankfully a lot of McOX *behaves* like NEXTSTEP, even if it doesn't *look* like it. Still the thing I miss most is a shelf on the FileViewer -- not having that really musses up dealing with files. Not having a command-key equivalent for destroying files seems a tad over-protective too... Best wishes, mmalc. Followups directed to csn.software (I hope) -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### From: gtupar@ObjectZoo.com (Georg Tuparev) Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Reply-To: gtupar@ObjectZoo.com X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:55:41 -0500 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.metronet.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naad.prod2.compuserve.com Lines: 38 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30306 In <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Uli Zappe wrote: > > Yes... A fwe folks have asked us about creating a multi-dimensional > > version, > > Hm, I'm no expert in spreadsheets but a rather casual user, but is that all > that the difference between Quantrix and Parasheet/Mesa comes down to? Well, if you are spreadsheet power user, it makes hell a lot of difference if you are using n-D version. Specially if you use datawarehouses n-D is a must... Off topic: One of the programs I would like to see on Raph is HippoDraw (by Paul Kunz). It is the best analysis tool I've ever seen. When someone sends me a set of data (no matter if NMR spectra of finance statistics) I always verify them with HD. Already found several frauds ;-) The best will be if Mesa or any other spreadsheet program uses the backend. > > > But you won't (as a Yellow app), or so it seems. > > > Besides, I talked about something with a *decent* GUI, and therefore > > > used the words "*replace* FrameMaker" ;-) > > Actually I'm fairly happy with Frame's UI :-) > > You're kidding' =:-0 > No. I agree the UI is not very well integrated with NeXTSTEP, but it makes a lot of sense anyway Just my $0.02 -- georg -- -- Georg Tuparev The ObjectZoo Ltd. Schipbeekstraat 1 3 Cathles Road 1078 BK Amsterdam, The Netherlands London SW12 9LE, UK Mobile: +31-655-798196 Fax: +31-20-524-1254 Hiroshima 45, Tschernobyl 86, Windows 95, Office 97 #################################################################### From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 27 Jan 1999 20:06:46 GMT Organization: "" Lines: 28 Message-ID: <78nrkm$405$2@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: oknt79.rz.uni-frankfurt.de X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 1999 20:06:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.vossnet.de!news.ecore.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30307 gtupar@ObjectZoo.com (Georg Tuparev) wrote: > > > Actually I'm fairly happy with Frame's UI :-) > > You're kidding' =:-0 > No. I agree the UI is not very well integrated with NeXTSTEP, but it makes > a lot of sense anyway But isn't seemless integration and interaction one of the most valuable assets of the NEXTSTEP experience? Besides, as I said, things like missing hierarchical paragraph formats don't make sense in their own right... I've always hoped for a NEXTSTEP word processor with the power of FrameMaker and the GUI of WriteUp/PasteUp. Oh well, seems they've both left the marketplace for almost opposite reasons... Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 _____________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.i2k.com!sb5du172.i2k.com From: "Lyster E. Wick Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 26 Jan 99 21:04:15 +0500 Organization: I-2000, Inc. Lines: 83 Message-ID: <3421.695T773T12641145@i2k.com> References: <788bpg$akj$1@cronkite.cs.umd.edu><5317.691T149T990937@i2k.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: speedtrap.i2k.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:15004 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27172 comp.sys.next.programmer:30308 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110839 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8720 Hi, Scott! Where are you posting from? I'm in comp.sys.amiga.programmer, myself. On 25-Jan-99 04:26:07, Scott Hess (scott@nospam.doubleu.com) was observed to have put fingers to keyboard and pounded out the following missive: SH> In article <5317.691T149T990937@i2k.com>, "Lyster E. Wick Jr." SH> writes: LW>> On 22-Jan-99 04:04:16 Sean Luke typed: SL>>> As a guy in his field (AI), you can take it from me. The man is a SL>>> grade-A certified wacko. LW>> I accept that his ideas do not fit in with the current mainstream AI LW>> thinking, but that does not automaticaly, in and of itself, mean that LW>> he is wrong and you are right, even if he does happen to be wrong, LW>> and you to be right. LW>> Have you given him a fair hearing? SH> <...> LW>> In my humble opinion, we should support such serious attempts at the LW>> presumed-impossible, for we may well find out that some things are LW>> not so impossible after all, and will surely learn from the failures LW>> as well, if we're paying attention. LW>> Thus, I find what he has to say to be interesting, no matter how LW>> contrary it may be to current mainstream AI thinking. SH> You're on a long and slippery slope. Everyone seems to follow along SH> nodding with the first mentifex posting that they see. It seems SH> interesting, different - hey, maybe it's weird enough to succeed! Even if it doesn't, we still should be able to learn from it. SH> Things look a bit different after the 150th or so posting that you SH> see. He posts regularily to comp.arch, for instance. His postings SH> never really seem to _say_ much. The best I can say is that he appears SH> to be stuck in the "posing college-age cafe dude" stage of SH> development, without the ability to break through to the next level SH> (going from talking about how things are going to come together to SH> _bringing_ them together). Re the 150th posting: Perhaps so, but I intend to delve much deeper than merely reading his public postings in the newsgroups. He has published SOURCE, and I intend to port the project to another language, partly as a learning exercise for the new language, and partly because this particular project looks interesting. Re the stage of development of his PDAI Mind project, and _bringing_ things together: I don't know how far along development currently is, as I haven't begun the port yet [FORTH is too low-level and write-mostly to port easily to other languages, and I don't yet have the ARexx source he's posted to Aminet, because I don't yet know where on Aminet to look for it], but it is clear that he IS engaged in ACTIVE development of PDAI Mind project. Where that development is leading is another question entirely. SH> [Hey, I feel for mentifex, I get stuck in a similar stage every couple SH> months. Don't we all, on occasion? SH> But I try to keep my Usenet postings more varied and interesting. SH> :-),] As do most of us. Re this and Mr. MindMaker's postings never seeming to _say_ much: It is possible that Mr. MindMaker, like many of us, has some difficulty communicating his ideas to other folk. SH> scott hess (###) ###-#### Shouldn't post phone numbers, unless they're BBS's numbers. See ya on the Bit Stream! The Hungry Hacker, looking for work. Got any? * Any wire cut to specified length will be too short. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 27 Jan 1999 20:00:55 GMT Organization: "" Lines: 49 Message-ID: <78nr9n$405$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78mt51$n7q$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oknt79.rz.uni-frankfurt.de X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 1999 20:00:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30309 malcolm@plsys.co.uk wrote: > > Hm, I'm no expert in spreadsheets but a rather casual user, but is that > > all that the difference between Quantrix and Parasheet/Mesa comes down > > to? > Hmm, it's a big "all" to some people! :-) Agreed, but still, is it the *only* difference (by no means, I wanted to downplay its value) between the two? > > > Actually I'm fairly happy with Frame's UI :-) > > You're kidding' =:-0 > No, I guess I got used to it. :-) Enviable. I've used it for 4 years almost every day now, and I still didn't manage to get used to it... :-/ > > Seriously, if it's integrated as bad in the Yellow environment as it was > > in NEXTSTEP, it might as well run blue/carbon. > I think that's overstating it a little :-) Honestly, what do you think would be possible disadvantages of a carbon version relative to a Yellow version from a user's perspective? I can't think of any. > > And I'm sure as long as Adobe owns it, you won't see a Yellow port. > An interesting point. I might hope, though, that we'll see at least a > Carbon port. I think a Carbon port is for sure. > > Besides, when talking about a decent GUI, who cares for OSX, anyway? > Thankfully a lot of McOX *behaves* like NEXTSTEP, even if it doesn't *look* > like it. Still the thing I miss most is a shelf on the FileViewer -- not > having that really musses up dealing with files. Very true... Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 _____________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!isdnet!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: m_e_henry@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: WO4.0 -- Where to buy in Education? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:28:11 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <78oaui$7b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.74.167.61 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 28 00:28:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.74.167.61 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118155 comp.sys.next.programmer:30310 Hi, I am a student at a Spanish university who is trying to figure out how to buy WebObjects 4.0 Academic, product number M7175Z/A. Does anybody have contact information for this? I tried to figure this out from the Apple web site. Although I got as far as the product number, I couldn't manage to get further. Hence the above question. Any pointers appreciated. Regards, Mark -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!isdnet!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!relicworld.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "phineas" Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 28 Jan 99 05:18:34 +0000 Organization: aSync Creations Message-ID: <36AFF32A.MD-1.0a.phineas@NOSPAM.demon.co.uk> References: <3421.695T773T12641145@i2k.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: relicworld.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: relicworld.demon.co.uk:194.222.244.61 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 917500820 nnrp-05:19291 NO-IDENT relicworld.demon.co.uk:194.222.244.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Lines: 26 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:15009 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27177 comp.sys.next.programmer:30311 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110850 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8722 When out of my head on "comp.sys.amiga.programmer", this remark by lwickjr@i2k.com still made some sense: > I don't know how far along development currently is, as I haven't begun the > port yet [FORTH is too low-level and write-mostly to port easily to other Hmmm, FORTH used to be fun on the Sinclair Spectrum... #:)= > languages, and I don't yet have the ARexx source he's posted to Aminet, > because I don't yet know where on Aminet to look for it], but it is clear Allow me: Mindrx941126.lha misc/misc 52K 211+Amiga AI public-domain work-in-progress. MindRexx.lha util/rexx 21K 265+Project Mentifex's AI prototype Mindrx.lha util/rexx 28K 230+Project Mentifex's Arexx based AI design -- Bye, . :) \/ .|hineas...........................................E/\ECology #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: wiley_coyote@super.genius.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: IBM-PC font for emulator Date: 28 Jan 1999 06:58:15 GMT Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <78p1q7$pq5$2@winter.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: gcasamen@NOSPAM.erols.com X-Trace: LS9x9siV420gq5Lu5zA/8ilBs8wmyCbbKEjDW+d8OCc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jan 1999 06:58:15 GMT Keywords: Font, PC X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30312 I am in the middle of porting a PC emulator over to the OPENSTEP 4.2/Mach environment. The only problem I seem to be having is locating a IBM-PC style PS font to use for the text mode. I realize that any fixed width font should do, but I want it to look good. Does anyone have a public-domain font like this? I have looked for one on some of the font archives on the web without success. Thanks very much, Gregory Casamento gcasamen@erols.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!newsfeed.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Henry Koplien Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:23:08 +0100 Organization: IBM HD MicroCode Lines: 21 Distribution: comp Message-ID: <36B0105C.41C6@de.ibm.com> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78mt51$n7q$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78nr9n$405$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mc03.boeblingen.de.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30313 Uli Zappe wrote: > > malcolm@plsys.co.uk wrote: > > > Hm, I'm no expert in spreadsheets but a rather casual user, but is that > > > all that the difference between Quantrix and Parasheet/Mesa comes down > > > to? > > Hmm, it's a big "all" to some people! :-) > > Agreed, but still, is it the *only* difference (by no means, I wanted to > downplay its value) between the two? OK, couldn't resist. NO! This is one difference, over which I would prefer Quantrix. In my eyes the macro language of Parasheet is the major difference for a decision. With the macro facility you can calculate moving averages of your data etc. If you have no need for such things Quantrix is the right choice. Nevertheless in Quantrix I miss the ability to include other Quantrix sheets. This would lead to a real n-dimension. This will mean your cell description has an additional qualifier, the other Quantrix file name... Henry #################################################################### Subject: Re: Test first, develop later: Sen:te has released OCUnit Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer References: <36ad8591.0@epflnews.epfl.ch> <78mon8$fot$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <78mon8$fot$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> From: marco@sente.ch.mil (Marco Scheurer) X-Url: http://www.sente.ch/ X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-00000-01 NNTP-Posting-Host: xlthlx.sente.ch Message-ID: <36b01891.0@epflnews.epfl.ch> Date: 28 Jan 1999 08:58:09 +0100 X-Trace: 28 Jan 1999 08:58:09 +0100, xlthlx.sente.ch Organization: EPFL Lines: 30 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.maz.net!news.rhein-neckar.de!news.ifi.unizh.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!epflnews.epfl.ch!xlthlx.sente.ch Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30314 On 01/27/99, Marcel Weiher wrote: >>Mostly to do regression testing, occasionally performance regression >>testing, and most of the time from ProjectBuilder. This is an >>extension we like a lot. > >I saw that feature and like it a lot. What exactly makes the >testing output ProjectBuilder compatible? From what I can see, >I'd guess it is just a standardized format for the text output. ProjectBuilder uses "BuildFilter" (undocumented as far as we can tell) to report errors in the top view of the build panel. A "Spec.plist" file, in ../Developer/Makefiles/Resources/, defines what in the text output of the "compiler" is an error, a warning or a status message, using sed like expressions. This feature of OCUnit is only available with MacOSX or Yellow box. > I think you misunderstood: [...] OK, so we agree on most things! Take care, -- Marco Scheurer (remove "dot mil" from my address) Sen:te http://www.sente.ch/ OPENSTEP, MacOSX and WebObjects development, consulting and mentoring. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!erols.nntp.gte.net.MISMATCH!worldfeed.news.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: cdbgraf@earthlink.net (christopher borden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Selective Archive-Restore? Date: 28 Jan 1999 07:53:38 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 28 Jan 1999 07:53:38 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jan 27 23:55:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(n) Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cdbgraf@earthlink.net (christopher borden) NNTP-Posting-Host: ip127.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <78p522$r1k$2@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32770 comp.sys.next.software:35304 comp.sys.next.programmer:30315 comp.sys.next.misc:29237 guys and gals of the knowing kind -- i made the mistake of backing up 1gb of stuff onto a multi-volume archive, i.e. 5 zips containing ".chunk" files. backup done from ns 3.3. now running os 4.2. the mistake was not realizing i'd need three times the free disk space of the uncompressed original in order to restore it, i.e. 3gbs. or so it seems from the model of another smaller backup i did have sufficient disk space to recover. as a workaround, how can i selectively restore from my archive? i don't need the whole thing anyway, just certain essentials. alternatively, anyone out there in nyc with enough disk space to help me out? thanks for any suggestions, chris borden #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.belnet.be!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!not-for-mail From: "Poisseroux Hugues" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How programme a printjob with a multipage document ? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:17:45 -0000 Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <78pdgu$clb$1@nickel.uunet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool04-194-7-45-145.uunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30316 Hello. I search how to programme a multipage document in objective-C with YellowBox. I arrive to print a view only ... I know that a multipage document are some view in a view but how to build this last view ???? Can you help me ? thanks a lot. My email are: huguesp@neurones.be Hugues. #################################################################### MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: IBM-PC font for emulator References: <78p1q7$pq5$2@winter.news.rcn.net> From: sdroll@NOSPMmathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Sven Droll) X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9) NNTP-Posting-Host: wmax71.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Message-ID: <36b02cf3.0@uni-wuerzburg.de> Date: 28 Jan 99 09:25:07 GMT Lines: 22 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!uni-wuerzburg.de!wmax71.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30317 wiley_coyote@super.genius.com wrote: >I am in the middle of porting a PC emulator over to the OPENSTEP >4.2/Mach environment. The only problem I seem to be having is >locating a IBM-PC style PS font to use for the text mode. I realize >that any fixed width font should do, but I want it to look good. > >Does anyone have a public-domain font like this? I have looked for >one on some of the font archives on the web without success. take a look at ftp://ftp.peanuts.org/GeneralData/Fonts/IBMKlone.tar.gz. AFAIR this looked pretty similar to a DOS-machines font-set. Sven -- Sven Droll __ ______________________________________________________/ / ______ __ sdroll@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de / /_/ ___/ please remove the NOSPM from my reply-address /_ _/ _/ =====\_/======= LOGOUT FASCISM! ___________________________________________________________________ NeXT-mail or MIME welcome ;-) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!howland.erols.net!peer-feed.news.demon.net.MISMATCH!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!allstars.onestep.co.uk!not-for-mail From: david@onestep.co.uk (David Andrew Knight) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: WO4.0 -- Where to buy in Education? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:15:57 GMT Message-ID: <917522157.3431.0.nnrp-03.c30b1c0b@news.demon.co.uk> References: <78oaui$7b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: david@onestep.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: allstars.onestep.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: allstars.onestep.co.uk:195.11.28.11 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 917522157 nnrp-03:3431 NO-IDENT allstars.onestep.co.uk:195.11.28.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: m_e_henry@my-dejanews.com Lines: 26 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118204 comp.sys.next.programmer:30318 In <78oaui$7b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> m_e_henry@my-dejanews.com wrote: > I am a student at a Spanish university who is trying to figure out how to buy > WebObjects 4.0 Academic, product number M7175Z/A. Does anybody have contact > information for this? I tried to figure this out from the Apple web site. > Although I got as far as the product number, I couldn't manage to get further. > > Hence the above question. Any pointers appreciated. M7175Z/A WebObjects Academic 4.2 (Dev + Deployment) UKP 61+VAT (@17.5%) +Shipping ESP Pesetas 15,147 + Tax + Shipping. and you can buy it from us. Mail me direct for payment and delivery terms. --- Regards David Knight | OneStep Solutions Plc | Solutions | | Workstations Innovative Solutions | UK phone: 01702 426400 | Servers For MacOS X, Windows NT | fax: 01702 426420 | Security OPENSTEP and Solaris | Int'l prefix: +44 1702 | Networks using Yellow Box and | | Maintenance WebObjects technologies | http://www.onestep.co.uk | Support #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!screen2.lotus.com!rpk_pro From: rpk_pro@pobox.com (Robert P. Krajewski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Geek Porn Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:49:24 -0500 Organization: Lotus Development Corporation Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9.95.19.53 X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: SbX_God%E-5x|x32y+Mwq#$JRGD<<0e8Z&sJxxrU#Y.,l@Mol9#PnGGJ2sG!+ ~lr4R6:/]e Date: 28 Jan 99 17:20:02 GMT Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!news.victoria.tc.ca!199.60.222.3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:15021 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27187 comp.sys.next.programmer:30320 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110870 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8724 "phineas" contributed on 28 Jan 1999: > When out of my head on "comp.sys.amiga.programmer", > this remark by lwickjr@i2k.com still made some sense: >> I don't know how far along development currently is, >> as I haven't begun the port yet [FORTH is too low-level >> and write-mostly to port easily to other > Hmmm, FORTH used to be fun on the Sinclair Spectrum... #:)= >> languages, and I don't yet have the ARexx source he's posted to Aminet, >> because I don't yet know where on Aminet to look for it], but [...] > Allow me: Mindrx941126.lha misc/misc 52K 211+Amiga AI public-domain work-in-progress. MindRexx.lha util/rexx 21K 265+Project Mentifex's AI prototype Mindrx.lha util/rexx 28K 230+Project Mentifex's Arexx based AI design http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth is already superior to the 26nov1994 Mind.rexx referred to above. Mind.rexx is an example of patching things together with chewing gum and Band-Aids. REXX (or Amiga ARexx as used in Mind.rexx) imposes no discipline on the programmer, while Forth demands and ensures hierarchical structured programming. You will notice a very peculiar thing about this "pdaimind" code. Until Mind.forth has "quickened" or attained a minimal functionality, all the strategic planning in the program will remain opaque and senseless to you, even if small segments of the code make sense. As soon as "Snow Crash" gets through "Burn Rate" to "Code Complete", two distinct phenomena will become operative. People who run the AI program will see exactly what it is doing -- and whether it even truly qualifies as AI. More importantly -- especially for such a fragile, brittle program as an artificial mind -- people with a lot more smarts than very truly yours Arthur/mentifex will be motivated to see what Mind.forth does: break concepts down into AI playdough. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: 28 Jan 1999 15:29:51 GMT Organization: Frankfurt University Computing Center Lines: 20 Message-ID: <78pvpf$e3$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78mt51$n7q$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78nr9n$405$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <36B0105C.41C6@de.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oknt79.rz.uni-frankfurt.de X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jan 1999 15:29:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30321 Henry Koplien wrote: > OK, couldn't resist. NO! This is one difference, over which I would > prefer Quantrix. In my eyes the macro language of Parasheet is the > major difference for a decision. With the macro facility you can > calculate moving averages of your data etc. Mmh, at least calculating moving averages is possible with Quantrix's formula function, too. Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 _____________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!relicworld.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "phineas" Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 29 Jan 99 02:27:41 +0000 Organization: aSync Creations Message-ID: <36B11C9D.MD-1.0a.phineas@NOSPAM.demon.co.uk> References: <36b09c42.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: relicworld.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: relicworld.demon.co.uk:194.222.244.61 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 917582663 nnrp-09:17030 NO-IDENT relicworld.demon.co.uk:194.222.244.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Lines: 53 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:15026 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27195 comp.sys.next.programmer:30322 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110873 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8726 When out of my head on "comp.sys.amiga.programmer", this remark by uj797@victoria.tc.ca still made some sense: > "phineas" contributed on 28 Jan 1999: > > > Allow me: > > Mindrx941126.lha misc/misc 52K 211+Amiga AI public-domain work-in-progress. > MindRexx.lha util/rexx 21K 265+Project Mentifex's AI prototype > Mindrx.lha util/rexx 28K 230+Project Mentifex's Arexx based AI design > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth > is already superior to the 26nov1994 Mind.rexx referred to above. > Mind.rexx is an example of patching things together with chewing > gum and Band-Aids. REXX (or Amiga ARexx as used in Mind.rexx) > imposes no discipline on the programmer, while Forth demands and > ensures hierarchical structured programming. Whichever way you look at it - Pascal was usually accused of that while it was in an old Forth manual where I read a sentence like this: "Programming is not a science but an artform, since every programmer will find a quite different and quite individual solution to any given problem." Of course there needs to be discipline in art too... ;) > You will notice a very peculiar thing about this "pdaimind" code. > Until Mind.forth has "quickened" or attained a minimal functionality, > all the strategic planning in the program will remain opaque and > senseless to you, even if small segments of the code make sense. IMHO, you've been watching too much tv - that series with the music by Queen - but you're right. I wasn't impressed, but then I looked at it out of curiosity only - instead of playing some game. You know: all work and no play... ;) > As soon as "Snow Crash" gets through "Burn Rate" to "Code Complete", > two distinct phenomena will become operative. People who run the > AI program will see exactly what it is doing -- and whether it even > truly qualifies as AI. More importantly -- especially for such a > fragile, brittle program as an artificial mind -- people with a lot > more smarts than very truly yours Arthur/mentifex will be motivated > to see what Mind.forth does: break concepts down into AI playdough. :) I like your choice of program versions - "Burn Rate" - hmmm. :) -- :) ^ ^ \/ . .|hineas.........................................../-\MIG/-\.E/\ECology.. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!nyd.news.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!newsfeed.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Henry Koplien Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where is Lighthouse gone? Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:03:54 +0100 Organization: IBM HD MicroCode Lines: 24 Distribution: comp Message-ID: <36B15D5A.167E@de.ibm.com> References: <916826348.21771.0.muttley.d4ee4075@news.demon.nl> <78d1j0$2ho$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78iqs6$35u$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78kltr$slr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78l7qh$2nm$4@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <78mt51$n7q$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78nr9n$405$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <36B0105C.41C6@de.ibm.com> <78pvpf$e3$1@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mc03.boeblingen.de.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30323 Uli Zappe wrote: > > Henry Koplien wrote: > > OK, couldn't resist. NO! This is one difference, over which I would > > prefer Quantrix. In my eyes the macro language of Parasheet is the > > major difference for a decision. With the macro facility you can > > calculate moving averages of your data etc. > > Mmh, at least calculating moving averages is possible with Quantrix's formula > function, too. > > Bye > Uli I was aware at the time I wrote this. But things that for instance do not work in Quantrix are calculating quotients between fields in columns where the fields are simultaneously summed up from top to bottom. Background is for instance a list of a car/motorcycle with items in rows ($, miles, etc) and you want to now at any time the costs per mile and make a chart of it. These are things that you can't handle with Quantrix, when the length of the table is unknown, etc. For this task you have to wrote down the formula for each cell... Henry #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: arobot@cmg.fcnbd.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need salary/hourly rate datapoints for OpenStep development Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:44:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <78soge$om2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.113.146.220 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 29 16:44:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: OmniWeb/2.1.5 OWF/1.0 X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.113.146.220 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118292 comp.sys.next.programmer:30324 comp.sys.next.software:35318 Hi- I'm thinking of making a move to OpenStep development as an independent consultant, and would like to compile some data points concerning typical hourly rates. Could anyone provide some input? Along similar lines, what should an established OpenStep developer typically expect for salary as a permanent employee (non consultant)- particularly in the context of enterprise products in the financial sector? Thanks in advance, Andre arobot@cmg.fcnbd.com -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!newscore.ipf.de!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <13193917154022@digifix.com> Date: 31 Jan 1999 04:44:42 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 327 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <29381917758824@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118340 comp.sys.next.announce:4893 comp.sys.next.hardware:35997 comp.sys.next.software:35330 comp.sys.next.misc:29243 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32791 comp.sys.next.bugs:5022 comp.sys.next.programmer:30325 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Rhapsody Developer Release Site http://gemma.apple.com/rhapsody/rhapdev/rhapsody.html These pages are focused on tools and resources you need to develop great Rhapsody software products.. Rhapsody Developer Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/rhapsody/rhapsody.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. 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To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <49H1UKQ4.X56JGAM1@macrotrade.com> Control: cancel <49H1UKQ4.X56JGAM1@macrotrade.com> Date: 01 Feb 1999 01:01:16 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: macrotrade@macrotrade.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news X-Original-Subject: ADV: MS Office 97 Pro CD-ROM 29.95 X-Original-Date: 1 Feb 1999 00:56:35 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-14.ts-3.chi.idt.net X-Original-From: macrotrade@macrotrade.com X-CosmoTraq: 5:2W?EMJS]+8Y/8@`^/Y#I25L0+B4WU;6S/I42E:,=((;Q3=4=TSK`$R X-Cancel-ID: \N+]:-'DH5QGG:"#,T:\_R(2+9@!%-&,E\W0LV-V["]20EW(,40!O,?] X-Commentary: Spam is lame. 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news1.ebn.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.gwdg.de!not-for-mail From: Timm Wetzel Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: gdb-4.17 source (Rhap/MOSX) Date: 01 Feb 1999 22:12:13 +0100 Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Lines: 17 Sender: twetzel@lena01.mpibpc.gwdg.de Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lena01.mpibpc.gwdg.de X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30326 Hello, apparently Rhapsody shipped with gdb-4.14 and gdb-4.17. Last year an Apple employee told they were to ship a gdb based on the main source (4.17), with their changes given back to the FSF. So, has anyone found the Rhapsody/MOSX gdb sources and checked whether they are bfd-based by now? (They should be somewhere on the CDs after all.) Do they happen to compile on other systems (NS3.3)? ;-) Regards, Timm -- Timm Wetzel Biomed. NMR GmbH Tel +49 551 201-1091 FAX +49 551 201-1307 Am Fassberg 11, D-37077 Goettingen, Germany #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Amine Nebri" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: COM Bridge Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:26:16 -0800 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Feb 2 08:35:03 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: pool003-max12.ds24-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: 2 Feb 1999 16:25:57 GMT Message-ID: <7978ul$se3$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30327 Does anyone know of a way to call an ObjectiveC object from a Microsoft COM object running on NT? Please cc amine@psw.com in your reply Amine Nebri Architect PSW Technologies amine@psw.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.i2k.com!sbdu71.i2k.com From: "Lyster E. Wick Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 03 Feb 99 00:57:25 +0500 Organization: I-2000, Inc. Lines: 76 Message-ID: <3516.703T1297T572049@i2k.com> References: <36b09c42.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: speedtrap.i2k.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:15082 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27250 comp.sys.next.programmer:30328 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110989 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8739 Circa 28-Jan-99 22:20:02, the ineffable Arthur T. Murray, aka uj797@victoria.tc.ca, commited the following text to public scrutiny: ATM> "phineas" contributed on 28 Jan 1999: p>> When out of my head on "comp.sys.amiga.programmer", this remark by p>> lwickjr@i2k.com still made some sense: LW>>> I don't know how far along development currently is, as I haven't LW>>> begun the port yet [FORTH is too low-level and write-mostly to port LW>>> easily to other languages, p>> Hmmm, FORTH used to be fun on the Sinclair Spectrum... #:)= Likewise on the C=64. *8{) I must admit, however, that it isn't easily readable after having not programmed in it in several years. LW>>> and I don't yet have the ARexx source he's posted to Aminet, because LW>>> I don't yet know where on Aminet to look for it], p>> Allow me: ATM> Mindrx941126.lha misc/misc 52K 211+Amiga AI public-domain work-in-progress. ATM> MindRexx.lha util/rexx 21K 265+Project Mentifex's AI prototype ATM> Mindrx.lha util/rexx 28K 230+Project Mentifex's Arexx based AI design ATM> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth is ATM> already superior to the 26nov1994 Mind.rexx referred to above. I still need a starting point for my port, and since ARexx is closer in style to Python than is Forth, I prefer to start with Mind.Rexx, rather than Mind.Forth. ATM> Mind.rexx is an example of patching things together with chewing gum ATM> and Band-Aids. REXX (or Amiga ARexx as used in Mind.rexx) imposes no ATM> discipline on the programmer, while Forth demands and ensures ATM> hierarchical structured programming. Not strictly true: FORTH also gives you all the tools you need to throw the rules of hierarchical structured programming out the window. One can write spaghetti code in ANY programming language. ATM> You will notice a very peculiar thing about this "pdaimind" code. ATM> Until Mind.forth has "quickened" or attained a minimal ATM> functionality, all the strategic planning in the program will remain ATM> opaque and senseless to you, even if small segments of the code make ATM> sense. Be careful, Mr. MindMaker: saying things like that is an open invitation for people to limber up their flamethrowers. Remember that it is _possible_ that the program as a whole may remain sensless, even to a programmer who has studied the source, successfully ported it to another language, and fully understands what everything does. ATM> As soon as "Snow Crash" gets through "Burn Rate" to "Code Complete", What do these terms mean? ATM> two distinct phenomena will become operative. People who run the AI ATM> program will see exactly what it is doing -- and whether it even ATM> truly qualifies as AI. More importantly -- especially for such a ATM> fragile, brittle program as an artificial mind -- people with a lot ATM> more smarts than very truly yours Arthur/mentifex will be motivated ATM> to see what Mind.forth does: break concepts down into AI playdough. Your code already provides plenty of opportunity for people who run the unfinished code to see exactly what it is doing -- and whether it qualifies as AI. Some people, myself included, are already motivated to see what the PDAI Mind does --and does NOT-- do. I hope that the program gets more --rather than less-- interesting as it nears compleation. See ya on the Bit Stream! The Hungry Hacker, looking for work. Got any? * Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.i2k.com!sbdu71.i2k.com From: "Lyster E. Wick Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.atari.programmer Subject: Re: The Art of Computer Mindmaking Date: 03 Feb 99 00:08:05 +0500 Organization: I-2000, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1401.703T255T80739@i2k.com> References: <3421.695T773T12641145@i2k.com> <36AFF32A.MD-1.0a.phineas@NOSPAM.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: speedtrap.i2k.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools:15083 comp.sys.newton.programmer:27251 comp.sys.next.programmer:30329 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:110990 comp.sys.atari.programmer:8740 On 28-Jan-99 10:18:34 his time, phineas (phineas@NOSPAM.demon.co.uk) posted the material quoted below: p> When out of my head on "comp.sys.amiga.programmer", p> this remark by lwickjr@i2k.com still made some sense: Hmm, does this mean that you're posting from comp.sys.amiga.programmer? If so, assuming that this branch of the thread continues at all, I propose that we continue it exclusively in that group. LW>> I don't know how far along development currently is, as I haven't LW>> begun the port yet [FORTH is too low-level and write-mostly to port LW>> easily to other languages, p> Hmmm, FORTH used to be fun on the Sinclair Spectrum... #:)= Likewise on the C=64. *8{) I must admit, however, that it isn't easily readable after having not programmed in it in several years. LW>> and I don't yet have the ARexx source he's posted to Aminet, because LW>> I don't yet know where on Aminet to look for it], p> Allow me: p> Mindrx941126.lha misc/misc 52K 211+Amiga AI public-domain work-in-progress. p> MindRexx.lha util/rexx 21K 265+Project Mentifex's AI prototype p> Mindrx.lha util/rexx 28K 230+Project Mentifex's Arexx based AI design Much appreciated! I've added them to my Wanted list, so that my Aminet file-leach can auto-download them for me. p> Bye, Phineas. See ya on the Bit Stream! The Hungry Hacker. * Tagteam: A bunch of people thinking up taglines. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!news.technet.net!not-for-mail From: szallies@energotec.de (Constantin Szallies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Codefabs CVS 1.10 client/server: duplicate Mod-Time protocol error Date: 4 Feb 1999 12:19:10 GMT Organization: TechNet GmbH Lines: 15 Message-ID: <79c37u$80j$1@oxygen.technet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gehirnbrei.energotec.de X-Trace: oxygen.technet.net 918130750 8211 195.80.193.122 (4 Feb 1999 12:19:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@technet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 1999 12:19:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30330 Hello community, here we use CVS 1.10 client/server with codefabs wrapper patches. Everything seems to work fine when using an Openstep client + Openstep server except the message "protocol error: dublicate Mod-Time" after a wrapped nib file was checked out. The error message seems to have no effect. Any thoughts? so long, -- ! Constantin Szallies, ESA systems + automation ! szallies@energotec.de ! http://www.energotec.de/~szallies/ ! 49211-9144018 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!bjork.codefab.com!bbum From: Bill Bumgarner Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Codefabs CVS 1.10 client/server: duplicate Mod-Time protocol error Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:01:01 -0500 Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <79c37u$80j$1@oxygen.technet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Constantin Szallies In-Reply-To: <79c37u$80j$1@oxygen.technet.net> Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30331 It hasn't caused any problems in practice, but it sure is annoying. As it hasn't caused any problems and I have a zillion other things to fix that DO cause problems (not cvs, however), I haven't had a chance to look at it. Are you using OS 4.2 as the server? If so, i'm surprised-- there is a known crasher that seemed to prevent any sucessful use on OS 4.2 as server... We don't have any OS 4.2 boxes in production any more, so we don't really have the resources to track it down. I'm hoping someone else will. Also, Christian Pekeler-- another CodeFabian-- is working on a set of WebScript based shell scripts for glomming together the loginfo/commitinfo stuff and sending email's to the appropriate parties whenever a commit occurs. It'll be posted to our web site when it works (it is pretty close now). If you are interested, you can prepare for its arrival by downloading/installing Mssh. It requires WebObjects 4.0 to be installed (sorry)-- if someone wants to port the resulting scripts from WebScript to ObjC, it could be made more portable (and it wouldn't be hard to do). ftp://ftp.codefab.com/pub/unsupported/ (Mssh lets you interpret WebScript in the same context as /bin/sh... i.e. as a shell script). b.bum On 4 Feb 1999, Constantin Szallies wrote: > Hello community, > > here we use CVS 1.10 client/server with codefabs wrapper patches. Everything > seems to work fine when using an Openstep client + Openstep server except the > message "protocol error: dublicate Mod-Time" after a wrapped nib file was > checked out. The error message seems to have no effect. > > Any thoughts? > > so long, > -- > ! Constantin Szallies, ESA systems + automation > ! szallies@energotec.de > ! http://www.energotec.de/~szallies/ > ! 49211-9144018 > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!jjens From: John Jensen Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Job: Postscript / PCL Developer Date: 4 Feb 1999 19:57:33 GMT Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <79cu3d$a5f$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr04.primenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: jjens@206.165.6.204 (jjens) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.lang.postscript:47119 comp.sys.next.programmer:30332 The place I work, in Newport Beach California, is looking for mid-level to senior developer with significant experience in the Postscript and PCL printer description languages. Reply to: pbonesteele@quests.com Good Luck, John #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.165.3.11!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!jjens From: John Jensen Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Job: Postscript / PCL Developer Date: 4 Feb 1999 21:11:32 GMT Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <79d2e4$bc6$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> References: <79cu3d$a5f$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr05.primenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: jjens@206.165.6.205 (jjens) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30333 John Jensen wrote: : The place I work, in Newport Beach California, is looking for mid-level to : senior developer with significant experience in the Postscript and PCL : printer description languages. : Reply to: pbonesteele@quests.com Note: This would be UNIX and Windows based C/C++/Java, and not *step :-( I posted here because I've seen discussion of Postscript internals in these groups. John #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!newsfeed.dpn.de!news-out1.f.gtn.com!news-in1.f.gtn.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinntp!news2.bis.adp.com!news_report@bis.adp.com From: hhxclj@faqlist.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: + + + + + FAQ for this newsgroup + + + + + 1053 Date: 5 Feb 1999 01:19:08 GMT Organization: Another Netscape News Server User Lines: 3 Message-ID: <79dguc$j684671@news2.bis.adp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp201-76.worldonline.nl Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30334 View the latest FAQ at http://home-3.worldonline.nl/~696 pcbrocnzlwcwjyruqcpffhnjgxryumgoefgrwzfuoyqvpqjriyefgewhrdliovntnezchwfwdxthsxlnkyoyfozcqzozmvebvovqltlnhixykvwpzpehslvcibjvildshwcfzruygqmqhlofhmkymwgouugpqtgcyrflqrgnclvezskqkcssexetiurbeumjbmnfztpmbhlffthdnylkjplzzobxmoswsungrzvcfqrqpndztqbutwc #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.dpn.de!news-out1.f.gtn.com!news-in1.f.gtn.com!news-in1.ne.gtn.com!news.technet.net!not-for-mail From: Constantin Szallies Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Codefabs CVS 1.10 client/server: duplicate Mod-Time protocol error Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:52:58 +0100 Organization: ESA Systems + Automation Lines: 61 Message-ID: <36BACD8A.4527E132@energotec.de> References: <79c37u$80j$1@oxygen.technet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gehirnbrei.energotec.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oxygen.technet.net 918211932 24333 195.80.193.122 (5 Feb 1999 10:52:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@technet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 1999 10:52:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30335 Constantin Szallies wrote: > > Hello community, > > here we use CVS 1.10 client/server with codefabs wrapper patches. Everything > seems to work fine when using an Openstep client + Openstep server except the > message "protocol error: dublicate Mod-Time" after a wrapped nib file was > checked out. The error message seems to have no effect. > > Any thoughts? In case anyone wants to know: You have to modify client.c in the following way: if (!tarred) { #endif if (stored_modtime_valid) { struct utimbuf t; memset (&t, 0, sizeof (t)); /* There is probably little point in trying to preserved the actime (or is there? What about Checked-in?). */ t.modtime = t.actime = stored_modtime; #ifdef UTIME_EXPECTS_WRITABLE if (!iswritable (filename)) { xchmod (filename, 1); change_it_back = 1; } #endif /* UTIME_EXPECTS_WRITABLE */ if (utime (filename, &t) < 0) error (0, errno, "cannot set time on %s", filename); #ifdef UTIME_EXPECTS_WRITABLE if (change_it_back == 1) { xchmod (filename, 0); change_it_back = 0; } #endif /* UTIME_EXPECTS_WRITABLE */ } #ifdef WRAPPERS_USE_TAR_FOR_TRANSFER } #endif stored_modtime_valid = 0; I moved stored_modtime_valid = 0; out of the two if structures. Greetings -- ! Constantin Szallies, ESA systems + automation ! szallies@energotec.de ! http://www.energotec.de/~szallies/ ! 49211-9144018 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.rhein-neckar.de!news.ifi.unizh.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Running EOF examples Message-ID: From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 5 Feb 99 13:52:20 MDT Reply-To: edx@cc.usu.edu Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: asy55.xy1.usu.edu X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.7 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30336 I wanted to go throught the EOF examples provided on the CD and seem to be having a problem. Since I don't have a high-powered server, I'm trying to use the simple FlatFile database type so I can get familiar with EOF fundamentals. I've run the configure_examples script, performed the "make all", and run the install_database script. All went well, no problems. When I try to run Movie.app, it bombs with this error in the Console: > Feb 05 13:41:10 Movie[2134] *** Uncaught exception: > classForAdaptorNamed:: Unable to get > the name of the class to instantiate an adaptor with the name > FlatFile. The possible cause for this error are: you don't have > the adaptor installed on your system, Yes, I've never installed the FlatFile adaptor. So, I see in another of the examples directories that there is the FlatFile adaptor. Aha! I built and installed it. However, it seems only to have built a Framework, and not an adaptor. Yikes. Ok, what do I need to do to install a real FlatFile adaptor. Or should I take another approach and use a different kind of adaptor? Thanks for any advice or suggestions. edx@cc.usu.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.noc.cabal.int!erlenstar.ml.org!annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <79dguc$j684671@news2.bis.adp.com> ignore no reply Control: cancel <79dguc$j684671@news2.bis.adp.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 03:04:30 +0000 Sender: hhxclj@faqlist.net From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.3 Approved: y X-Cancelled-By: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk X-No-Archive: yes X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinntp!news2.bis.adp.com!news_report@bis.adp.com X-Original-From: hhxclj@faqlist.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: vp201-76.worldonline.nl X-Original-Subject: + + + + + FAQ for this newsgroup + + + + + 1053 X-Original-Date: 5 Feb 1999 01:19:08 GMT X-Cancel-ID: DS8L]76(+HN[/N$^HK5W0,-F7"6EN%Z[ZVX1;M+EIW#SEHQ5U>B.ZQN> Lines: 1 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de control.cancel:5911218 Spam (EMP) cancelled. Cancel ID: DS8L]76(+HN[/N$^HK5W0,-F7"6EN%Z[ZVX1;M+EIW#SEHQ5U>B.ZQN> #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!cleric From: cleric@yale.graduate.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Running EOF examples Date: 6 Feb 1999 15:35:22 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.119.142 X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30337 OpenBase has a free evaluation version for download at www.openbase.com. It'll make life a lot easier for novice EOF programmers (speaking as one who was in your shoes a few months ago). Share and Enjoy. In article , edx@cc.usu.edu wrote: > I wanted to go throught the EOF examples provided on the CD and > seem to be having a problem. Since I don't have a high-powered > server, I'm trying to use the simple FlatFile database type so I > can get familiar with EOF fundamentals. > > I've run the configure_examples script, performed the "make all", > and run the install_database script. All went well, no problems. > > When I try to run Movie.app, it bombs with this error in the Console: > > > Feb 05 13:41:10 Movie[2134] *** Uncaught exception: > > classForAdaptorNamed:: Unable to get > > the name of the class to instantiate an adaptor with the name > > FlatFile. The possible cause for this error are: you don't have > > the adaptor installed on your system, > > Yes, I've never installed the FlatFile adaptor. So, I see in > another of the examples directories that there is the FlatFile > adaptor. Aha! I built and installed it. However, it seems only > to have built a Framework, and not an adaptor. Yikes. > > Ok, what do I need to do to install a real FlatFile adaptor. > Or should I take another approach and use a different kind of > adaptor? > > Thanks for any advice or suggestions. > > edx@cc.usu.edu -- John Kuszewski cleric@yale.nospam.graduate.net #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.35.9!news.hughes.net!rcp6.elan.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Running EOF examples Message-ID: From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 6 Feb 99 09:11:04 MDT Reply-To: edx@cc.usu.edu References: Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: asy46.xy1.usu.edu X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.7 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30338 In cleric@yale.graduate.net wrote: > OpenBase has a free evaluation version for download at > www.openbase.com. It'll make life a lot easier for novice > EOF programmers (speaking as one who was in your shoes a > few months ago). > > Share and Enjoy. > > > In article , edx@cc.usu.edu wrote: > > > I wanted to go throught the EOF examples provided on the CD and > > seem to be having a problem. Since I don't have a high-powered > > server, I'm trying to use the simple FlatFile database type so I > > can get familiar with EOF fundamentals. > > > > I've run the configure_examples script, performed the "make all", > > and run the install_database script. All went well, no problems. > > > > When I try to run Movie.app, it bombs with this error in the Console: > > > > > Feb 05 13:41:10 Movie[2134] *** Uncaught exception: > > > classForAdaptorNamed:: Unable to get > > > the name of the class to instantiate an adaptor with the name > > > FlatFile. The possible cause for this error are: you don't have > > > the adaptor installed on your system, Thanks for your pointer to OpenBase. I've found the cause of the problem I described above. The "make install" is placing the FlatFileEOAdaptor.framework in the /Library/Frameworks directory. When Movie.app was run as root, all was well. When run as a normal user, it crashed with the error above because it couldn't locate the FlatFile adaptor. I moved the FlatFile adaptor to /LocalLibrary/Frameworks, and all is well. Now, does anyone know if the MiniSQL adaptor can support EOF 2.x under OpenStep 4.2? Failing that, can anyone provide a brief description of what would be required to port it? Thanks. edx@cc.usu.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <29381917758824@digifix.com> Date: 7 Feb 1999 04:44:42 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 342 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <631918363637@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118505 comp.sys.next.announce:4899 comp.sys.next.hardware:36066 comp.sys.next.software:35363 comp.sys.next.misc:29258 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32862 comp.sys.next.bugs:5027 comp.sys.next.programmer:30339 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Peanuts Archive http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/NEXTSTEP http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/OpenStep http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/Rhapsody http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/MacOSX http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/WebObjects http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/GeneralData The Peanuts-Archive is the premier site in Europe and mirrored in whole or parts all over the world. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Mac OS X Server Site http://www.apple.com/macosx/ Apple Computer's Mac OS X Server Developer Site http://developer.apple.com/macosx/server/ Apple Computer's WebObjects Site http://www.apple.com/webobjects/ Mac OS X Server Developer Documentation http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosxserver/macosxserver.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de control.cancel:5946449 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.software.config-mgmt Subject: Re: cvs-1.10 -- repository corruption on import? Date: 11 Feb 1999 19:03:58 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 14 Message-ID: <79v9iu$or$1@news.spacelab.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30341 comp.software.config-mgmt:14552 Timm Wetzel wrote: [ ... ] > The corruptions in the rcs files seem to be mostly in the diff area, > mostly consisting of a block of missing original text and extra null > characters (^@). That sounds similar to the POSIX append bug. You didn't compile any part of CVS, diff, or related tools using -posix or code from the libposix.a library? -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!newsfeed.dpn.de!news-out1.f.gtn.com!news-in1.f.gtn.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.mtl.metronet.ca!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iafrica.com!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: gvandyk@icon.co.za Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Processes 'dead' under NT after Hungry Process Date: 12 Feb 1999 09:23:42 GMT Organization: Technologies Domain Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7a0ruu$97d$1@hermes.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: a4-jhb-65.dial-up.net X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-10001-01 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30342 Hi, We have found that if you have OpenStep processes (WindowServer, PasteBoardServer included) that runs on an NT box, and you then run a Resource Hungry Process that eats up almost all of your memory, your Openstep processes becomes 'dead'. TextEdit etc then stops to work because the windowServer does not respond anymore. The process does not get killed it justs sits and waits for who knows what. If you then kill the process and start it again everything seems fine until the next hungry app. Another bit of information. In Task Manager under normal circumstances the manager shows that one of our processes utilizes about 5203K Memory. When the process gets into this 'dead' state the process utilizes according to TaskManager less than 50K memory. We have found this problem on multiple machines on multiple networks, so it is not machine or network dependant. What is the workaround for this problem or what should we do to fix the problem? -- Regards, Gerrit van Dyk email: gvandyk@icon.co.za (NeXTMail welcome) Technologies Domain (Pty) Ltd The OBJECT is the ADVANTAGE #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles W. Swiger" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Processes 'dead' under NT after Hungry Process Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:35:57 GMT Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7a1l9d$3qo$1@news.spacelab.net> References: <7a0ruu$97d$1@hermes.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9PR5) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30343 gvandyk@icon.co.za wrote: >We have found that if you have OpenStep processes (WindowServer, >PasteBoardServer included) that runs on an NT box, and you then run a >Resource Hungry Process that eats up almost all of your memory, your >Openstep processes becomes 'dead'. Right. >Another bit of information. In Task Manager under normal circumstances >the manager shows that one of our processes utilizes about 5203K >Memory. When the process gets into this 'dead' state the process >utilizes according to TaskManager less than 50K memory. That means the process has been completely swapped out. >What is the workaround for this problem or what should we do to fix >the problem? First, it helps a lot to switch the "foreground performance boost" to none or medium. [ RMB "My Computer"->Properties->Performance, top slider... ] Next, having lots of memory is essential for doing serious WOF/YB development. Several of our developers have noticed obvious improvement going from 128MB or 196MB to 256 MB. The blame is mostly WinNT for not using memory very efficiently, although the Apple services and dev tools do seem to leak... Finally, short of rebooting, you can try to stop and restart the Apple services. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | Yeah, yeah-- disclaim away. ----------------+-------------------+---------------------------- You have come to the end of your journey. Survival is everything. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!photon.on-luebeck.de!merkur.smartsoft.de!newsmaster From: ahoesch@on-luebeck.de (Andreas Hoeschler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Creating transparent application icons Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:42:10 GMT Organization: Offenes Netz Luebeck e.V. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7a1ll2$78h@merkur.smartsoft.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.25.93.177 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30344 Hi, I would like to make the background of my application icon transparent (Dark grey background on OPENSTEP, white background on DR2,...). I tried my luck with IconBuilder and WetPaint, but wasn't successful yet. Any hints would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Andreas Höschler #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!howland.erols.net!erols.nntp.gte.net.MISMATCH!worldfeed.news.gte.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: Arnaud Debayeux Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Kernel functions Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:25:58 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36C5A796.56A7EF2@easynet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: toulouse-camichel3-211.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 918923151 28555 194.158.125.211 (13 Feb 1999 16:25:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:25:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30345 Hello, Does anybody know the usage of the kernel functions : _PCmapBIOSRom _PCcopyBIOSData _bios32 I'm wondering if it could be of any use in accesing PCI and Video BIOS functions. Any hints for accessing BIOS functions from 32 bit protected mode (particularly for a VESA drivers, VBE, VBE/AF, VBE/DDC) ? Thanks for any help, Arnaud #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <631918363637@digifix.com> Date: 14 Feb 1999 04:44:27 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 342 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <15546918968424@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118706 comp.sys.next.announce:4903 comp.sys.next.hardware:36131 comp.sys.next.software:35420 comp.sys.next.misc:29273 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32900 comp.sys.next.bugs:5030 comp.sys.next.programmer:30346 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Peanuts Archive http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/NEXTSTEP http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/OpenStep http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/Rhapsody http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/MacOSX http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/WebObjects http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/GeneralData The Peanuts-Archive is the premier site in Europe and mirrored in whole or parts all over the world. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Mac OS X Server Site http://www.apple.com/macosx/ Apple Computer's Mac OS X Server Developer Site http://developer.apple.com/macosx/server/ Apple Computer's WebObjects Site http://www.apple.com/webobjects/ Mac OS X Server Developer Documentation http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosxserver/macosxserver.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.gwdg.de!not-for-mail From: Timm Wetzel Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.software.config-mgmt Subject: cvs-1.10 -- repository corruption on import? Date: 11 Feb 1999 16:25:40 +0100 Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Lines: 37 Sender: twetzel@lena01.mpibpc.gwdg.de Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lena01.mpibpc.gwdg.de X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30347 comp.software.config-mgmt:14610 Hello, has anybody noticed corrupted rcs files in the repository with cvs-1.10 on NEXTSTEP3.3? The problem occurs only occasionally (some files in a 50MB kernel source tree) and does not happen with the same files if repeated. Scenario: (NS3.3p1, black hardware, source and repository on local harddisk) - fresh import of ~50MB netbsd kernel source into empty repository (- checkout) - import of newer vendor release (~50MB) (no error messages here) - subsequent update/rdiff/... fails because of corrupted file in repository The corruptions in the rcs files seem to be mostly in the diff area, mostly consisting of a block of missing original text and extra null characters (^@). The cvs-1.10 source is only trivially modifified in xgetcwd.c to use getwd() insted of getcwd() to build on NEXTSTEP3.3p1. The binary passed the testsuite (after replacing expr and sh with gexpr and bash; the last test crashes even my bash). Is this a known problem with either cvs or NS3.3? Any code areas to look into more closely? I'm currently looking into Apple's Openstep/Rhapsody cvs ports but haven't yet found any interesting differences. Regards, Timm -- Timm Wetzel Biomed. NMR GmbH Tel +49 551 201-1091 FAX +49 551 201-1307 Am Fassberg 11, D-37077 Goettingen, Germany #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!default Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: maury_remove_this@istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) Subject: mouse tracking performance X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:13:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.179 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 919037526 137.186.225.179 (Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:12:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:12:06 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30348 In the past I've always been careful to play "tricks" to squeeze performance from my code, but in the end it's typically always come down to doing the simplest thing and simply make sure that the redraw area is clean. I was recently working on rulers and a similar effect occured, I wanted to have the mouse position show up in the rulers but after some playing around I turned off mouseMoved events because the performance seemed really bad. Later however I realized I was just redrawing the entire ruler, and some better logic there sped it up. So now I'm thinking of using mouseMoved again. However the docs all _really_ recommend not doing this. Anyone have any advice on this? If I'm careful about what I'm doing in that time, is mouseMoved really the performance hit the docs seem to claim? Anyone use this in their apps? Maury #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!mlh From: mlh@zipper.zip.com.au (Matthew Hannigan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmers.misc,relcom.comp.os.windows.prog,comp.unix.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: y2kfu Date: 15 Feb 1999 02:49:46 GMT Organization: Zip Internet Professionals Pty Ltd Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7a820a$90m$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> References: <79mp6p$tpf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.12.97.1 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de relcom.comp.os.windows.prog:12924 comp.unix.programmer:77628 comp.sys.next.programmer:30349 In article <79mp6p$tpf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: >My friend and I, who are both in the data processing >field, have become so tired of answering questions >about Y2K that we printed up our own t-shirts with theletters "y2kfu". >Check it out at: http://home.earthlink.net/~gonsiska/y2kfu.htm > Data processing?! Isn't that where you have walls of tape drives going whir whir and lots of lights blinking blinking? And people wearing horn-rimmed glasses walking around with giant printouts. Has this post been stored in some old news spool for 20 years? -- -Matt #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!carnaval.risq.qc.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: antoine.pas.de.spam@arrakis.zerospam.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Help compiling gnu / linux apps X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(i) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:53:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.203.98.11 X-Trace: carnaval.risq.qc.ca 919097631 132.203.98.11 (Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:53:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:53:51 EDT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30350 Greetings, I have tried a few times to compile gnu and linux source codes, but most of the time I get a (xxx not found) error, xxx often being a function or header. I am not a programmer, so usually my efforts stop there. Is there a "standard" way of adapting the source or the makefile to be able to compile these sources ? Thanks in advance, A. Gautier #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!not-for-mail From: "Rex Dieter" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Help compiling gnu / linux apps Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:27:10 -0600 Organization: University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7a9ved$8l5$1@unlnews.unl.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sting.unl.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30351 >Greetings, > >I have tried a few times to compile gnu and linux source codes, but most of >the time I get a (xxx not found) error, xxx often being a function or >header. I am not a programmer, so usually my efforts stop there. Is there a >"standard" way of adapting the source or the makefile to be able to compile >these sources ? There is no standard way, sorry. You have to have enough knowledge of your system (here, nextstep) so that when when an error of that sort occurs, you know how to modify it to get it to work. Oftentimes, the source tries something that is not quite portable or relies on POSIX functions and semantics (which are missing for the most part in nextstep). Could you give an example of something you've tried (and failed) to build? -- Rex #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Joe \"Nuke Me Xemu\" Foster" Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmers.misc,relcom.comp.os.windows.prog,comp.unix.programmer,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: y2kfu Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:40:55 GMT Organization: North American Marcab/Teegeeack Love Association Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01be5945$000055b0$fa35170a@probe> References: <79mp6p$tpf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7a820a$90m$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.179.136.164 X-Trace: 919125655 F7W8ZAFJM88A4CCB3C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de relcom.comp.os.windows.prog:12928 comp.unix.programmer:77675 comp.sys.next.programmer:30352 Matthew Hannigan wrote in article <7a820a$90m$1@the-fly.zip.com.au>... > In article <79mp6p$tpf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: > >My friend and I, who are both in the data processing > >field, have become so tired of answering questions > >about Y2K that we printed up our own t-shirts with theletters "y2kfu". > >Check it out at: http://home.earthlink.net/~gonsiska/y2kfu.htm > Data processing?! Isn't that where you have walls of > tape drives going whir whir and lots of lights blinking > blinking? And people wearing horn-rimmed glasses walking > around with giant printouts. Now, it's RAID boxes of 23GB Ultra-Wide SCSI drives, even *more* das blinkenlights (yay!), goatees, and PalmPilots or other tablet-type thingies. And that's just my garage! ;) Some tablet-type thingies good for editing code on the run, some of which may even be compatible with Linux et al: -- Joe Foster or WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha! #################################################################### From: scott@nospam.doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mouse tracking performance Date: 15 Feb 99 11:25:12 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: In-reply-to: maury_remove_this@istar.ca's message of Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:13:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.79.56.105 X-Trace: 16 Feb 1999 04:59:50 -0500, 209.79.56.105 X-Authenticated-User: shess Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.one.net!209.79.56.105 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30353 In article , maury_remove_this@istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) writes: So now I'm thinking of using mouseMoved again. However the docs all _really_ recommend not doing this. Anyone have any advice on this? If I'm careful about what I'm doing in that time, is mouseMoved really the performance hit the docs seem to claim? Anyone use this in their apps? I think the recommendation against use of mouseMoved is mainly inherited from old ('030/'040 timeframe) documentation. I've not found it to be a terrible performance problem these days. OTOH, I set things up so that mouseMoved is only enabled when the window is key, and I throw a tracking rect around the window so that I don't track mouseMoved when the mouse is outside the window. But when the mouse is inside the key window, who cares how much CPU it takes up? I also have found that it can be useful to dissociate the -mouseMoved: method from the real event handler using a deferred message send of some sort. Unless your handler is _really_ short. You might also want to experiment with polling the mouse location instead of tracking movement events. Moving the mouse can generate a flood of mouseMoved events, but if you only need an event every tenth of a second, that's probably pretty severe overkill. Later, -- scott hess (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.metronet.de!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!gts!babel!news From: maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) Subject: Re: mouse tracking performance X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch.oaai.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Sender: news@T-FCN.Net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: scott@nospam.doubleu.com Organization: needs one X-Newsreader: RadicalNews 2.0b3(p) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:40:42 GMT Lines: 43 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30354 In Scott Hess wrote: > I think the recommendation against use of mouseMoved is mainly > inherited from old ('030/'040 timeframe) documentation. I've not > found it to be a terrible performance problem these days. Ok, this is good. > OTOH, I set things up so that mouseMoved is only enabled when the > window is key, and I throw a tracking rect around the window so that I > don't track mouseMoved when the mouse is outside the window. Wouldn't using setAcceptsMouseMoved sent to that window do the same thing? I do this when that window becomes key or main. > the mouse is inside the key window, who cares how much CPU it takes > up? Well we're doing a lot of interactive drawing, so dragging a control point might slow down. Then again these are _mostly_ handled inside modal loops so for the most part it shouldn't have much effect if any. The primary purpose of tracking the mouse is to update pointers in the rulers showing it's location, and allow the current tool to interact with the canvas (for instance, the line tool cound highlight targets). mouseMoved simply seems to be the easiest way to do this. > I also have found that it can be useful to dissociate the > -mouseMoved: method from the real event handler using a deferred > message send of some sort. Unless your handler is _really_ short. Hmmm, that's an excellent idea, would it be advisable to > You might also want to experiment with polling the mouse location > instead of tracking movement events. Yeah, but this is likely hard to do in our particular setup. I suppose I could post periodics into my own window, hmmmmm. Any ideas on why the ruler marks don't show up (or did I even ask that?). moveRulerlineFromLocation:toLocation doesn't seem to draw anything for me, is this a known problem? Maury #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.dnsg.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: piers@ilink.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Problems printing eight bit characters in NSArray's description Date: 16 Feb 1999 21:24:31 GMT Organization: Berlin.DE Lines: 66 Message-ID: <919200270.859518@newsvl21> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsvl1.berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30355 I'm running Openstep 4.2 on Intel. I have an array (or dictionary) containing strings with eight bit characters and try to print the array's description (to stdout or to a file, this doesn't matter). Unfortunately, all eight bit characters are being printed as octal coded values. Here's my little test program: #import void main(int argc, const char *argv[]) { NSAutoreleasePool *pool = [[NSAutoreleasePool alloc] init]; NSArray *testArray = [@"(\"äöüßÄÖÜ\")" propertyList]; // In case the eight bit characters are mangled by the news system, // the above string contains seven eight bit characters. printf("[testArray objectAtIndex:0]: %s\n", [[testArray objectAtIndex:0] cString]); printf("[testArray description]: %s\n", [[testArray description] cString]); [pool release]; exit (0); } // main() And this is the output: [testArray objectAtIndex:0]: äöüßÄÖÜ [testArray description]: ("\331\360\366\373\205\226\232") In case the eight bit characters are mangled by the news system, the first output line contains the same eight bit characters that have been set in the program. The NSArray documentation (on "descriptionWithLocale:indent:" which I assume is internally being called by "description") says: To obtain the string representation of a given element, descriptionWithLocale:indent: proceeds as follows: * If the element is an NSString, it is used as is. "Used as is" apparently does include the octal code conversion seen above. Does anybody have an idea what I could do to have NSArray's description print out the eight bit characters just as NSString's description method does? Thanks for any help. Regards Piers Uso Walter ilink Kommunikationssysteme GmbH #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wantedmisc.forsale.computers.mac,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.msx,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.net-computer,comp.sys.net-computer.announce,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.newton.announce,comp.sys.newton.marketplace,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <13290493-1702990124500001@ccas11-sli46.t-net.net.ve> Control: cancel <13290493-1702990124500001@ccas11-sli46.t-net.net.ve> Date: 17 Feb 1999 05:23:37 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: 13290493@geocities.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.cwix.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-fw.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news01.t-net.net.ve!ccas11-sli46.t-net.net.ve!user X-Original-Subject: please read X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:24:50 -0400 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.49.129.169 X-Original-From: 13290493@geocities.com X-Original-X-Trace: news01.t-net.net.ve 919228946 206.49.129.169 (Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:22:26 GMT) X-CosmoTraq: 7;15SF\\\0K(XQ>"R[8P1"NH*E^!RF(\_3*N:DU]-:%L6"W%._T`RR0] X-Cancel-ID: UMT>U5!C#GUB@9M%Y_I^^@8-3@6`DSZMDK'+=1 References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.1.161.242 X-Trace: 919245594 PJ0EG9MGBA1F2AA01C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com In-reply-to: maury@remove_this.istar.ca's message of Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:40:42 GMT Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30356 In article , maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) writes: In Scott Hess wrote: > OTOH, I set things up so that mouseMoved is only enabled when the > window is key, and I throw a tracking rect around the window so > that I don't track mouseMoved when the mouse is outside the > window. Wouldn't using setAcceptsMouseMoved sent to that window do the same thing? I do this when that window becomes key or main. After some quick testing... it appears to me that you only receive mouse movement events in the key window. Further testing indicates that NSApplication never sees mouseMoved events in -sendEvent: if the key window doesn't have -setAcceptsMouseMoved:YES. On the other hand, the key window will receive mouseMoved events even if the mouse is outside of the window. That's what the tracking rect is useful for. > the mouse is inside the key window, who cares how much CPU it takes > up? Well we're doing a lot of interactive drawing, so dragging a control point might slow down. Then again these are _mostly_ handled inside modal loops so for the most part it shouldn't have much effect if any. The primary purpose of tracking the mouse is to update pointers in the rulers showing it's location, and allow the current tool to interact with the canvas (for instance, the line tool cound highlight targets). mouseMoved simply seems to be the easiest way to do this. For modal loops, I'd assume you're just watching for drag events, though? Skipping the mouseMoved question, from Way Back When, I recall a Diagram-related tidbit WRT rulerbar indicators vs event handling. Buffered windows update the union of the touched areas of the window. In this case, if you update the shape being dragged, then the horizontal rulerbar, then the vertical rulerbar, it's highly likely that the buffering will end up flushing more than half of the window backing. Similar things can happen when you update just the rulerbars. An alternative is to flush between each of the three updates. The net effect often is replacing one very large blit operation with three much smaller ones. The same reasoning can be applied to many situations where you're drawing widely spaced elements in a highly interactive fashion. [On _most_ modern hardware, it can be pretty hard to see this effect. On slower hardware, though, doing the rulerbar thing while manipulating a shape in the lower-right corner of a large window can cause significant cursor-lag.] Any ideas on why the ruler marks don't show up (or did I even ask that?). moveRulerlineFromLocation:toLocation doesn't seem to draw anything for me, is this a known problem? Can't help you there, unfortunately, -- scott hess (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) Subject: Re: mouse tracking performance X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch.oaai.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Sender: news@T-FCN.Net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: scott@nospam.doubleu.com Organization: needs one X-Newsreader: RadicalNews 2.0b3(p) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:52:28 GMT Lines: 51 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!infoshare!babel!news Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30357 In Scott Hess wrote: > After some quick testing... it appears to me that you only receive > mouse movement events in the key window. Further testing indicates > that NSApplication never sees mouseMoved events in -sendEvent: if the > key window doesn't have -setAcceptsMouseMoved:YES. > > On the other hand, the key window will receive mouseMoved events even > if the mouse is outside of the window. That's what the tracking rect > is useful for. Ok, I'll see about playing with this today. > For modal loops, I'd assume you're just watching for drag events, > though? Yup, although I guess it's still a good idea to turn off mouseMoved tracking when entering them. > Skipping the mouseMoved question, from Way Back When, I recall a > Diagram-related tidbit WRT rulerbar indicators vs event handling. > Buffered windows update the union of the touched areas of the window. Ok. > In this case, if you update the shape being dragged, then the > horizontal rulerbar, then the vertical rulerbar, it's highly likely > that the buffering will end up flushing more than half of the window > backing. Similar things can happen when you update just the > rulerbars. Ahhhhhhh. > An alternative is to flush between each of the three updates. Now I don't know a lot about the rendering engine, does this imply that the three updates will happen in three consecutive screen refreshes? Doing a flush in the code is easy enough though, I'll experiment with this as well today. Excellent tip, thanks! > Any ideas on why the ruler marks don't show up (or did I even ask > that?). moveRulerlineFromLocation:toLocation doesn't seem to draw > anything for me, is this a known problem? > > Can't help you there, unfortunately, I'm pretty convinced this is a DR thing, but the only 4.2 machine we have left is busy with the port, so I'll hold off before seeing about this particular. Maury #################################################################### From: scott@nospam.doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mouse tracking performance Date: 17 Feb 99 09:33:25 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: In-reply-to: maury@remove_this.istar.ca's message of Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:52:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.79.56.105 X-Trace: 18 Feb 1999 04:59:50 -0500, 209.79.56.105 X-Authenticated-User: shess Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.one.net!209.79.56.105 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30358 In article , maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) writes: In Scott Hess wrote: > For modal loops, I'd assume you're just watching for drag events, > though? Yup, although I guess it's still a good idea to turn off mouseMoved tracking when entering them. Speaking for OpenStep/Mach, I'd be surprised if you receive mouseMoved events in a model loop that's tracking mouse events. I would bet money that windowpackage.ps has a flag for tracking mouse movement, and on mouseDown it turns the flag on after caching the previous value (for restore on mouseUp). Then, while the mouse button is down, mouseMoved events are delivered as mouseDragged events. > An alternative is to flush between each of the three updates. Now I don't know a lot about the rendering engine, does this imply that the three updates will happen in three consecutive screen refreshes? Doing a flush in the code is easy enough though, I'll experiment with this as well today. Excellent tip, thanks! It's hard to say WRT the flushing. Realize that -flushWindow has no relationship to screen refreshes. The windowserver implementation may: a) Just flush, not worrying about tearing due to partial refresh. b) Flush at the next refresh. c) Flush to a lower layer which worries about the next refresh. If it's (a) or (c), then multiple small flushes versus one large flush is a wash. To be honest, though, I'd be somewhat surprised if OpenStep worries about screen refresh at all. To a certain extent, that's somewhat of an interactive game oriented feature, which is far outside OpenStep's design goals. At best, I'd guess OpenStep/NT just leaves it to NT to handle (effectively meaning either (a) or (c)). Later, -- scott hess (408) 739-8858 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Help compiling gnu / linux apps References: From: sdroll@NOSPMmathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Sven Droll) X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.9) NNTP-Posting-Host: wmax71.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Message-ID: <36cbf50b.0@uni-wuerzburg.de> Date: 18 Feb 99 11:10:03 GMT Lines: 28 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!uni-wuerzburg.de!wmax71.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30359 antoine.pas.de.spam@arrakis.zerospam.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) wrote: >Greetings, > >I have tried a few times to compile gnu and linux source codes, but >most of the time I get a (xxx not found) error, xxx often being a >function or header. I am not a programmer, so usually my efforts stop >there. Is there a "standard" way of adapting the source or the >makefile to be able to compile these sources ? In the near future I will have a collection of porting tips. For now you can take a look at my Homepage (in work!!!) on this topic at http://ifamus.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~sdroll/NeXT/Porting-General.html Please ignore the other pages and to not flame me for my pages, cause my Homepages are in their early alpha-stages ... . greets Sven -- Sven Droll __ ______________________________________________________/ / ______ __ sdroll@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de / /_/ ___/ please remove the NOSPM from my reply-address /_ _/ _/ =====\_/======= LOGOUT FASCISM! ___________________________________________________________________ NeXT-mail or MIME welcome ;-) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: William.Clocksin@CL.cam.ac.uk Newsgroups: gnu.gnustep.discuss,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Mini Text Objects? Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:37:02 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7a8pru$jet$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.cl.cam.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de gnu.gnustep.discuss:2436 comp.sys.next.programmer:30360 I've been following the gnustep discussion about putting more functionality in the Text object. I'm looking for a Text object with considerable less functionality. My main app, the music notation program Calliope, uses the Text object to render big text boxes such as titles, headers/footers, etc. I use other means for rendering the syllables of verse underlay ("lyrics"), because the formatting and hyphenation requirements are exotic. However, this means I do not have the editing and font-changing abilities of RichText. An experimental version of Calliope, which used the Text object (field editor) to render verse underlay syllables, was too slow to be usable (there could be a hundred or so syllables on a page). I seemed to be paying for functionality I did not need. Is there any demand for a mini Text object that could only render single lines of RichText (basically just chars, editing and font changes)? Or is this simpler functionality hidden somewhere I haven't seen in the OpenStep API? Thanks. William (see http://www.CL.cam.ac.uk/users/wfc for Calliope info) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.belnet.be!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Blackford Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: compiling HX under NS 3.3 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:51:28 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7ak19s$p31$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <36CC6362.EC6F176E@cornell.edu> <199902182254.RAA04742@ocalhost> <36CCAB52.A4F4C671@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.55.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 19 15:51:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 OmniWeb/3.0-beta-8b OmniAppKit/1998G HTTPS/1.04a OmniNetworking/1998G OIF/1998G OWF/1998G OmniBase/1998G OmniFoundation/1998G OmniHTML/1998G X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.55.24 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:35460 comp.sys.next.programmer:30361 In <36CC6362.EC6F176E@cornell.edu> "John E. Hayes III" wrote: > Hullo All- > > I'm trying to compile HX (the commandline hotline client for unix) on my > NeXTcube but I'm not having much luck. Anyone even attempted this? Hi John, You'll have to use the -posix flag while compiling HX. You also have to link it against the posix lib. I compiled it just fine on my NeXT this way. It uses the sigaction stuff in the posix library. I've also compiled hxd on my system as well. Email me if you can't get it to work. Take care! ---- Steve,kb7sqi@pdcn.net NeXTMail Welcome! ICQ#: 9248680 -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!newsfeed.pop.de!newsfeed01.btx.dtag.de!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sea-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: rberber@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Creating transparent application icons Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:33:05 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7a2361$q4e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7a1ll2$78h@merkur.smartsoft.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.249.191.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 12 20:33:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: OmniWeb/3.0-beta-8b OmniAppKit/1998H HTTPS/1.04a OmniNetworking/1998H OIF/1998G OWF/1998G OmniBase/1998H OmniFoundation/1998H OmniHTML/1998G X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.249.191.177 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30362 In article <7a1ll2$78h@merkur.smartsoft.de>, ahoesch@on-luebeck.de (Andreas Hoeschler) wrote: > I would like to make the background of my application icon transparent (Dark > grey background on OPENSTEP, white background on DR2,...). > > I tried my luck with IconBuilder and WetPaint, but wasn't successful yet. > > Any hints would be greatly appreciated! Using WetPaint go into Document -> New Layout and besides the width and height (48 x 48 for icons) check that the "Has Alpha" option is set. Then draw your icon and erase any part that has to be transparent. You can also draw or fill using "Clear" as postscript operation (selected in the tool inspector), that will in effect erase instead of drawing or filling. Regards. -- Rene Berber -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: Christian Pekeler Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: PBButtons 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:03:43 -0500 Organization: Spacelab.net Internet Access Lines: 15 Message-ID: <36CDDFBF.500DBEB7@codefab.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30363 PBButtons - a bundle for ProjectBuilder. Because I was sick of typing "fb -[NSException raise]" into the launch panel of ProjectBuilder and also don't like the way the build targets have to be selected I created a little bundle which hacks some buttons into the launch and build panel. I think it saves me some time so maybe it's helpful to others, too. The source is here: ftp://ftp.codefab.com/pub/unsupported/PBButtons-1.0-PW-s.tar.gz and a binary compiled for WO4.0/WinNT and Rhapsody/PPC is here: ftp://ftp.codefab.com/pub/unsupported/PBButtons-1.0-PW-b.tar.gz Christian #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!not-for-mail From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Mini Text Objects? Date: 16 Feb 1999 20:14:51 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Lines: 60 Message-ID: <7acjjr$3k$2@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> References: <7a8pru$jet$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: haegar.biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de X-Trace: sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 919196091 116 134.147.38.28 (16 Feb 1999 20:14:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 1999 20:14:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30364 William.Clocksin@CL.cam.ac.uk wrote: >[...] >saying for functionality I did not need. Is there any demand for a mini >Text object that could only render single lines of RichText (basically just >chars, editing and font changes)? Or is this simpler functionality hidden >somewhere I haven't seen in the OpenStep API? Thanks. > >William hi william, try the following: @interface NSAttributedString(DrawingAddition) -(NSSize) sizeRange:(NSRange) aRange; -(void) drawRange:(NSRange) aRange atPoint:(NSPoint) aPoint; -(BOOL) areMultipleFontsInRange:(NSRange) aRange; @end @implementation NSAttributedString(DrawingAddition) -(NSSize) sizeRange:(NSRange) lineRange { NSRect retRect=NSZeroRect; NSRange currRange=NSMakeRange(lineRange.location,0); NSPoint currPoint=NSMakePoint(0,0); NSString *string=[self string]; for(; NSMaxRange(currRange)< NSMaxRange(lineRange);) // draw all "runs" { NSDictionary *attributes=[self attributesAtIndex:NSMaxRange(currRange) longestEffectiveRange:&currRange inRange:lineRange]; NSString *substring=[string substringWithRange:currRange]; NSRect sizeRect=NSMakeRect(currPoint.x,0,0,0); sizeRect.size=[substring sizeWithAttributes:attributes]; retRect=NSUnionRect(retRect,sizeRect); currPoint.x+=sizeRect.size.width; // size attachments } return retRect.size; } -(void) drawRange:(NSRange) lineRange atPoint:(NSPoint) aPoint { NSRange currRange=NSMakeRange(lineRange.location,0); NSPoint currPoint; NSString *string=[self string]; for(currPoint=aPoint; NSMaxRange(currRange)< NSMaxRange(lineRange);) // draw all "runs" { NSDictionary *attributes=[self attributesAtIndex:NSMaxRange(currRange) longestEffectiveRange:&currRange inRange:lineRange]; NSString *substring=[string substringWithRange:currRange]; [substring drawAtPoint:currPoint withAttributes:attributes]; currPoint.x+=[substring sizeWithAttributes:attributes].width; // draw attachments } } #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!jsfortier From: jsfortier@videotron.ca (Jean-Sébastien Fortier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Mail-Copies-To: jsfortier@videotron.ca Subject: mp3 on black hardware Message-ID: Organization: ProMac X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: 8dPh?BJ{G(/,[ Technicien en systèmes Macintosh ICQ # 6027586 PGP Availlable #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!uniol!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.28.168.22!news.midusa.net!root@station.midusa.net From: lacourse@SPAMISBADmail.midusa.net (Dan LaCourse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Check out his cool page! Date: 19 Feb 1999 01:30:14 GMT Organization: Netspace Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7aier6$4ej3@news.midusa.net> References: <36cbf50b.0@uni-wuerzburg.de> Reply-To: lacourse@SPAMISBADmail.midusa.net (Dan LaCourse) NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.191.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.8 Beta(n) Cc: sdroll@NOSPMmathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30366 What a cool-looking page! Check it out! In <36cbf50b.0@uni-wuerzburg.de> Sven Droll wrote: ... > In the near future I will have a collection of porting tips. For now you can > take a look at my Homepage (in work!!!) on this topic at > > http://ifamus.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~sdroll/NeXT/Porting-General.html > > Please ignore the other pages and to not flame me for my pages, cause my > Homepages are in their early alpha-stages ... . > > greets > Sven > -- Best wishes, Dan LaCourse #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!uniol!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!usenet From: "John E. Hayes III" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: compiling HX under NS 3.3 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:07:46 -0500 Organization: Cornell University -- Sensory Group Lines: 27 Sender: jeh25@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <36CCAB52.A4F4C671@cornell.edu> References: <36CC6362.EC6F176E@cornell.edu> <199902182254.RAA04742@ocalhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: d185cea47.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: TjL Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:35474 comp.sys.next.programmer:30367 The source, and minimal documentation can be found at http://www.krazynet.com/hx/. john TjL wrote: > > POSTED TO USENET GROUP(S): comp.sys.next.software > > In <36CC6362.EC6F176E@cornell.edu> "John E. Hayes III" wrote: > > Hullo All- > > > > I'm trying to compile HX (the commandline hotline client for unix) on my > > NeXTcube but I'm not having much luck. Anyone even attempted this? > > Never even heard of the beast. > > Where's some net info on it? (web page/source/etc) > > I'd try asking on csn.programmer rather than here.... > > TjL > -- > New OmniWeb license through Mar 31st (use the the key and "Owner" below!) > Owner: Expiring OmniWeb beta license > License Key: MKGH-VUAC-NSSC-RAAZ-HMQY > (Remove obvious portion if replying by email.) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!kwon!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!dfevans From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mp3 on black hardware Date: 20 Feb 1999 21:08:50 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 21 Message-ID: <919544930.608106@watserv4.uwaterloo.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watserv4.uwaterloo.ca Cache-Post-Path: watserv4.uwaterloo.ca!unknown@bcr11.uwaterloo.ca Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30368 In article , Jean-Sibastien Fortier wrote: >Hi... > >I was just wondering if someone thought to program an MP3 player that >makes use of the DSP in the black hardware. This kind of approach in >coding would make mp3 listening possible for black nexties.... > That might work...you'd have to be fancy in maniuplating the required DMA buffers to and from the DSP, though. This is the #1 thing that I *hate* about DSP programming on black hardware. If you bugger your DSP code so as to mess up the DMA protocol you can wedge the system DMA controller to the point that the machine needs a hard reset to recover. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <15546918968424@digifix.com> Date: 21 Feb 1999 04:44:23 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 342 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <7743919573220@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:118867 comp.sys.next.announce:4910 comp.sys.next.hardware:36223 comp.sys.next.software:35478 comp.sys.next.misc:29293 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:32952 comp.sys.next.bugs:5032 comp.sys.next.programmer:30369 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1994. Some of the many resources on the site include: original YellowBox and Rhapsody articles, mailing list information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to Rhapsody, OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep http://www.peak.org/rhapsody PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. Peanuts Archive http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/NEXTSTEP http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/OpenStep http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/Rhapsody http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/MacOSX http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/WebObjects http://www.peanuts.org/peanuts/GeneralData The Peanuts-Archive is the premier site in Europe and mirrored in whole or parts all over the world. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://enterprise.apple.com http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's Mac OS X Server Site http://www.apple.com/macosx/ Apple Computer's Mac OS X Server Developer Site http://developer.apple.com/macosx/server/ Apple Computer's WebObjects Site http://www.apple.com/webobjects/ Mac OS X Server Developer Documentation http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosxserver/macosxserver.html WebObjects Documentation http://gemma.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/enterprise/enterprise.html OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!jsfortier From: jsfortier@videotron.ca (Jean-Sébastien Fortier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Mail-Copies-To: jsfortier@videotron.ca Subject: Re: mp3 on black hardware Message-ID: References: <919544930.608106@watserv4.uwaterloo.ca> Organization: ProMac X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: 8dPh?BJ{G(/,[, dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: >In article , >Jean-Sibastien Fortier wrote: >>Hi... >> >>I was just wondering if someone thought to program an MP3 player that >>makes use of the DSP in the black hardware. This kind of approach in >>coding would make mp3 listening possible for black nexties.... >> > > That might work...you'd have to be fancy in maniuplating the required DMA >buffers to and from the DSP, though. > This is the #1 thing that I *hate* about DSP programming on black hardware. >If you bugger your DSP code so as to mess up the DMA protocol you can wedge >the system DMA controller to the point that the machine needs a hard reset to >recover. Will someone will program it one day ? ------------------------- Jean-Sebastien Fortier Technicien en systèmes Macintosh ICQ # 6027586 PGP Availlable #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!kwon!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!dfevans From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mp3 on black hardware Date: 22 Feb 1999 01:45:42 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 12 Message-ID: <919647942.541224@watserv4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <919544930.608106@watserv4.uwaterloo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watserv4.uwaterloo.ca Cache-Post-Path: watserv4.uwaterloo.ca!unknown@bcr11.uwaterloo.ca Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:30371 In article , Jean-Sibastien Fortier wrote: > >Will someone will program it one day ? Who knows? Your guess is as good as mine. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.printing,tw.bbs.comp.mac,alt.history.ocean-liners.titanic,nl.eeuwig.september,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.news,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.cd-rom,comp.mail.pegasus-mail.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <199902220705.CAA25642@domains.invweb.net> Control: cancel <199902220705.CAA25642@domains.invweb.net> Date: 22 Feb 1999 07:05:42 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: Anonymous Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!uio.no!news.netg.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!isdnet!news-hub.siol.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news-x8!mail2news-x7!mail2news-x6!mail2news-x5!mail2news-x4!mail2news-x3!mail2news-x2!mail2news X-Original-Subject: REPENT: Jesus is *your* King! ´. ±¸ ¯´.± X-Original-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:05:01 -0500 X-Original-From: Anonymous X-CosmoTraq: `8#/]AF"5T0Z4=(2NR:&!Q?;^#D7FZ0SYQ^.6%@7&-\/"W#-:[(2@'@A X-Cancel-ID: VG5D\F=Z*\/ZA3-^H+.WD@JEE"*7JEOS*K5CKM#CY\(ZU<12Q]J+(UKE X-Commentary: Spam is lame. 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