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From: passim@helium.ucsd.edu (Harmon Craig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: CedarWord vs. WordPerfect Date: 1 Jan 1997 06:55:17 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <5ad1ol$csc@news1.ucsd.edu> A further note on the new CedarWord word processor (available at "http://www.cedar.co.uk/download.htm"). CW has a great advantage over WordPerfect in that one can use the NeXT Keyboard.app for keymapping and designing one's own keyboard with e.g. Greek letters or mathematical symbols immediately available via the Alt and Shift/Alt keys. This is because CW uses rtf format, while WP recognizes only its own keyboards, which cannot be remapped for alternate characters. CW will thus be an outstanding word processor for technical writing, as soon as it gets a Find/Replace capability using superscripted and subscripted characters (as WP now has). -- H. Craig passim@helium.ucsd.edu
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ Followup-To: alt.flame Date: 31 Dec 1996 05:34:56 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs-nope-nomail@vampire.science.gmu.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aa8m0$20q@portal.gmu.edu> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <abridge-2912961954310001@dcn133.dcn.davis.ca.us> <5a99so$3ns@news.tuwien.ac.at> <5a9gmm$qfe@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: Ack this is SPAM In article <too many to make sense>, <lots of people wrote> wrote: >>>>> [deleted] This thread has turned into a Holy War and is really approaching total SPAM status... I have no idea who the fool was who included every newsgroup in comp.* on it, but it's outta hand, if you're even THINKING of following up, please use your brain and not just a button on a screen. Email works wonders, in case you've forgotten... Me -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: Mark Pappas Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Internet Software for the NeXT Date: 1 Jan 1997 01:41:48 GMT Organization: The Gulf Coast Internet Company Message-ID: <5acfcs$2bv@cobia.gulf.net> Hi All, Well I'm a proud owner of a NeXTstation I have had for a little over a month and seem to have it working pretty good on the net thanks to alot of help from the newsgroups. Now I'm looking for somes advise on software for OpenStep 4.1. What do people feel are the best: Web Browser News Reader IRC Client POP E-mail Package and anything else people feel someone should have to round out a complete internet system. Please e-mail mpd@gulf.net. Thanks Mark Pappas
From: Paul Naton <pnatona@cts.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HOW DO I CONVERT NEXT FONTS TO MAC TYPE 1? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:23:17 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <32C9CA8F.2842@cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to convert NeXT fonts into mac Type 1 fonts? I converted all of my adobe fonts from mac to Next years ago using Metamorphosis Pro. I would like to use some of those cool Fatted Cow fonts I use all the time ported from my Next to my new Power Computing Mac. There must be a way! Help me! Big NeXT and Mac Fan Paul Naton Maximum Graphixs pnatona@cts.com
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5abtqr$82l@newman.pcisys.net> Date: 1 Jan 1997 02:29:32 GMT Control: cancel <5abtqr$82l@newman.pcisys.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5abtqr$82l@newman.pcisys.net> Sender: root@bytewarecafe.com Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970101.11. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970101.11.html for complete report. Original Subject: 32meg 70ns 72pin EDO simm for $140
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From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Black vs. White Date: 1 Jan 97 00:34:23 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.advocacy Does anyone have any specific specs on the speed differences between Black and White hardware running Nextstep? I'm thinking of speeddifferences between an '040 turbo cube and something like a 166MHz Pentium. Mitch
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Date: 1 Jan 1997 05:29:08 GMT Control: cancel <5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Sender: help@spry.com Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970101.35. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970101.35.html for complete report. Original Subject: FREE EDUCATIONAL VIDEO/CDs
From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 07:01:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> X-no-archive: yes David Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote: > Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only > the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to > work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what > I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different > things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does > all the time. Sorry, I've worked quite a lot with both Wintel and Macs (and several Unix-dialects). And I've seen lots of Macs who take half a minute or more to react (or even to not react at all, just one example: Eudora's 'you have new mail' and as long as you don't press 'Ok', your Mac stands still) to simple actions like mouseclicks to close a window and such. The MacOS is imho (from a user standpoint of vue) definitely _anything else_ but _not_ RT. > I don't know... Timbuktu and Apps like that seem to do a pretty damn > good job. (arguably better than X). Errr, here I also have to disagree. Under Unix, _any_ application can be run remotely and i/o can be redirected to _any_ Xserver running on _any_ other machine as long as there's an Xserver available for it. In fact, running applications remotely is the normal procedure in networks of unix workstations, just because there are very often less workstations than users (in university computer networks) or if some software only runs on special platforms or if an application needs more cpu power than the standard desktop workstations have. Under MacOS, running applications remotely is not a standard built-in feature of the OS, and it is not reasonable to do this (via third-part utilities) either (for standard applications) because there is no possibility at all to work with more than one user at a time on a Mac. Running applications remotely doesn't make any sense on a single-user OS. F'up2 set. -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - updated 970101 Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 05:56:42 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Jan1.055642.25369@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <9612311230.AA02069@huelf.hamburg.com> In article <9612311230.AA02069@huelf.hamburg.com> writes: > Q: > What products will be ported to "AppleStep" coming from NeXT 3rd > Party developers > > A: > Products that will be available are the following (dd-961231): > The DTP-prgramm PasteUp 2.6 and 3.0 & the WriteUp - Word processor, > and Cambridge Animations ANIMO - a cartoon creating programm from > the UK! > Furthermore Stone Design will port it's fine products to > "AppleStep", like Create 4.x, DataPhile and its 3D-Modeler-Software. You will also see Mesa, the most widely used NeXTSTEP spreadsheet. Our recent release (in beta) of a new NeXTSTEP version with a completely redesigned UI is the first step in this process. We will also release a new version later this year with additional features. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Internet Software for the NeXT Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 06:02:28 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Jan1.060228.25447@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <5acfcs$2bv@cobia.gulf.net> In article <5acfcs$2bv@cobia.gulf.net> Mark Pappas writes: > Now I'm looking for somes advise on software for OpenStep 4.1. What do people feel are the best: > > Web Browser OmniWeb or NetSurfer. Both are good, but in recent months I woudl have said that OmniWeb has pulled ahead. > News Reader Lots of these. None are perfect, but all of the new ones are good. NewsGrazer (old; don't use this), RadicalNews, Alexandra, Kiwi, NewsFLash and NutNews. > IRC Client I thought someone was working on one of these? It was called: Encircle. > POP E-mail Package PopOver. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Paul_Lynch@griffin.plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 06:06:41 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997Jan1.060641.25513@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <5a9g2m$lti@gnus.wildfire.com> In article <5a9g2m$lti@gnus.wildfire.com> tone@wildfire.com (Tone <DoD>) writes: > In article <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan > M. Urban) writes: > >In article <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com>, dwy@ace.net (David Young) > wrote: > > > >> Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties. > > > >Disagree. It is theoretically possible to implement DPS on top of X, > >for example. Then it will look exactly like NEXTSTEP and behave almost > >the same, and you can interface to it identically using the AppKit. In > >fact this is more than theory; the GNUstep project is implementing this. Interestingly enough, Solaris OpenStep (Neo) also does this. There are times using it when the screen colour just look awful, and I presume this is the result of using the incredibly idiotic X colour model. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Black vs. White Date: 1 Jan 1997 06:39:15 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5ad0qj$k8e@news.digifix.com> References: <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226> In-Reply-To: <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226> On 12/31/96, "Mitchell Allen" wrote: >Does anyone have any specific specs on the speed differences between Black >and White hardware running Nextstep? I'm thinking of speeddifferences >between an '040 turbo cube and something like a 166MHz Pentium. > While I don't have any hard data to provide, the 133MHz Pentium that I'm currently working on is noticibly faster than the 040 Turbo Slab that I have been using for the past few years. I wish I was able to run it on the Pentium Pro 200 sitting next to it (alas, it is serving other duties). :-) -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: rhayden@next.com (Ronald Hayden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Info on NeXT needed Date: 1 Jan 1997 08:23:39 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5ad6ub$dd8@news.next.com> References: <32BC7E21.3A47@cc.umanitoba.ca> In article <32BC7E21.3A47@cc.umanitoba.ca> Spiro Philopoulos <umphilop@cc.umanitoba.ca> writes: > Hi > I'm a MacOS user and I've just read about the Apple-NeXT merger and > that the new MacOS will use some elements of NeXT step. I've read some > stuff about NeXTstep and that it is based on Mach but I was wondering > if somebody could point me to where I can find more info(general and > technical) on the Next OS. > Thanks. You can find out about all of NeXT's publications at: http://www.next.com/Pubs -- Ron Hayden
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: macintosh, steve jobs, and next step are all back! Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 05:33:44 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-ya02408000R0101970533440001@news.netrover.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com>, "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> wrote: €Scott wrote in article <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net>... €> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: €> >In article <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net>, jasones@flash.net wrote: €> > €> >> 500Mhz DEC Alphas are already out, though its kinda pointless €comparring €> >> different processors by thier Mhz... €> > €> >Yea, but PPC chips have many more pins and come in brighter colors! €> € €Nonesense! PPC chips sucks. I won't run a PMac since they run the shitty €MacOS. IBM's PPC runs NT with nearly no applications available, and for €the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc €running Solaris with 50% more performance! PPC CPUs can eat shit. Typical usenet wanker. Why don't you crosspost to more ngs. Let's see...you've covered Linux, Amiga, Windows, Mac, Unix and NeXT. Fucking wanker. -- Steve Jobs on 'Meile' washers and dryers - "They are really wonderfully made and one of the few products we've bought over the last few years that we're all really happy about. These guys really thought the process through. They did such a great job designing these washers and dryers. I got more thrill out of them than I have out of any piece of high tech in years."
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 1 Jan 1997 08:37:20 GMT Organization: Zip News Message-ID: <01bbf7be$ddc14b60$84c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de> Wolfgang Keller <wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de> wrote in article <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de>... > X-no-archive: yes > > David Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote: > > > Except that Apple HAS PMT for low level tasks and drivers... its only > > the app layer that doesn't have this PMT. And garanteed time seems to > > work better on the MacOS's low-level stuff than on Windows from what > > I've seen... if you doubt me, just watch the mouse and do different > > things on both systems. The Mac almost NEVER stutters - Windoze does > > all the time. > > Sorry, I've worked quite a lot with both Wintel and Macs (and several > Unix-dialects). And I've seen lots of Macs who take half a minute or > more to react (or even to not react at all, just one example: Eudora's > 'you have new mail' and as long as you don't press 'Ok', your Mac stands > still) to simple actions like mouseclicks to close a window and such. In another post, I already clarified this. The Mac has no PMT. He's confusing interrupt based processing with PMT. > Under MacOS, running applications remotely is not a standard built-in > feature of the OS, and it is not reasonable to do this (via third-part > utilities) either (for standard applications) because there is no > possibility at all to work with more than one user at a time on a Mac. > Running applications remotely doesn't make any sense on a single-user > OS. While I agree that the idea of running applications remotely on a single user system is not the same as running an app remotely using X, I wouldn't go as far as saying running apps remotely doesn't make any sense on a single user system. If you're on the road and you might need to access your desktop remotely or take advantage of resources that aren't available on your laptop. Also from a tech support standpoint (part of my job) it's a lot easier to just connect to another user's PC using PCAnywhere and troubleshoot than asking the user "double click on this, what do you see?","What does the screen say when you do this?".
Message-ID: <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 08:47:33 -0500 From: Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> Organization: STG, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? If (big if!) your primary intent is to develop a web site, then products pointed towards that capability would be a better solution, MS's FrontPage being a good example. Arnold Shore Annapolis, MD
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 1 Jan 1997 15:16:19 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5adv43$8ke@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> In-Reply-To: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> On 12/30/96, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the > fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ > (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X > protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS > as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage > of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. > You don't know what you're talking about, do you? Most users regard the fact that the native NeXT GUI isn't based on X as an *advantage* -- read up on Display PostScript before debating this point further. As for remote viewing of applications: myhost% rsh remotehost [...] remotehost /NextApps/Edit.app/Edit -NXHost myhost & There is one main area of concern with NeXT's implementation of remote -viewing, namely that the protocol has no idea of user IDs, so you either get access to the screen or you don't, there's no "you only get access if you're in mygroup" for example. If you want to run X, then there are X applications available. If you really want to, you could run OpenStep on Solaris, which runs DPS atop X. As for an "important disadvantage"... well, clearly lack of remote viewing has seriously impeded the growth of the market for other OSes which don't have this feature, such as Windows and Windows95... errm, what was that, it hasn't..? Oh well... and M$ stuff isn't based on X either...? ho hum... Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: jabaker@grail.cba.csuohio.edu (jason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: 01 Jan 1997 11:12:08 -0500 Organization: Cleveland State University Sender: jason@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu Message-ID: <vohf9idd0.fsf@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nk87$a7o@news.internetmci.com> In-reply-to: JOSE_M@internetMCI.com's message of 24 Dec 1996 03:55:51 GMT In article <59nk87$a7o@news.internetmci.com> JOSE_M@internetMCI.com writes: That message don't make any since.....<scratching head> all e-mail is text only... how can you hide a binary file in ascii format??? you can't unless that tag a file with a text and then you have to run i manualy...... Can't you see that that you yourself are propagating this internet message virus which has already infected 35 newsgroups? Jason
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who invented what? - here: 2.88MB - 3.5" Floppy drives Date: 30 Dec 1996 06:27:00 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5a7nbk$edj@hpax.cup.hp.com> References: <9612291709.AA01445@huelf.hamburg.com> In article <9612291709.AA01445@huelf.hamburg.com>, Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> wrote: >Steve Jobs invented the 2.88 netto (/ 4.0 brutto) >ED - 3.5" Floppy drives! ;-) I got the impression that Sony and Toshiba were the first to release this perpendicular recording technology to the general public, not Steve Jobs. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
Message-ID: <32CAB150.1C44@ebs.ac.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 12:47:44 -0600 From: Eric Ulmer <ulmerer@ebs.ac.com> Organization: ServiceNet, LLC. Andersen/BBN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Black vs. White References: <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226> <5ad0qj$k8e@news.digifix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Anguish wrote: > > On 12/31/96, "Mitchell Allen" wrote: > >Does anyone have any specific specs on the speed differences between Black > >and White hardware running Nextstep? I'm thinking of speeddifferences > >between an '040 turbo cube and something like a 166MHz Pentium. > > > > While I don't have any hard data to provide, the 133MHz Pentium that > I'm currently working on is noticibly faster than the 040 Turbo Slab that I > have been using for the past few years. > > I wish I was able to run it on the Pentium Pro 200 sitting next to > it (alas, it is serving other duties). :-) > > > > -- > Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS > sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com I did a little research on the 68040 speed and looked at various sites which published SpecMarks on various hardware platforms, and Just CPU alone the 68040 ranks about even with a 486/66. The NeXT runs a different/faster bus than the PC, however. But even So, I would suspect on most things you'll be running 2X+ on the Pentium. Several people at work questioned why I recently bought an 040 box when I already have a Dual P133 system, as they run NS on Intel. My response "Because I always wanted one, and they're cool"
From: "Eren Kotan" <Eren_Kotan@next.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Black vs. White Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:26:37 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbf81b$3990d8a0$102c1281@demoroom> References: <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226> Mitchell Allen <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226>... > Does anyone have any specific specs on the speed differences between Black > and White hardware running Nextstep? I'm thinking of speeddifferences > between an '040 turbo cube and something like a 166MHz Pentium. Well, I use both platforms here at work, and home; not surprising, really ;-} Generally speaking, black hardware is slower but very stable, white hardware can be extremely fast but unless you put it together carefully, with supported devices, and high quality components, they can be rather unstable. If money is not tight, you can put together an excellent PC which will outperform black boxes and be (nearly) as stable. What did you want to know, specifically? Compile speed? Graphics performance? IO? Let me know. Regards, Eren --- Eren Kotan - Eren_Kotan@next.com NeXT Software UK Limited ObjectLine Support
From: me@myhost.carleton.edu (My Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Netkit SSL plug-in for OmniWeb or Netsurfer? Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:41:39 GMT Organization: Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA Message-ID: <5aeelj$ei1@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> Is there something equivalent to Netkit SSL plug-in for either OmniWeb or NetSurfer? This is what NetSurfer said was missing when I tried to login to a stock trading site.
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software,microsoft.public.excel.misc Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19970102.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19961209.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19961216.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 02 Jan 1997 00:00:00 -0700 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: biweekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas Frequently Asked Questions == FAQ cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ list can be obtained via all news.answers access methods: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The FAQ list for comp.apps.spreadsheets is located on rtfm.mit.edu at /pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq>
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Nextstep Video editing software -Black Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 21:41:27 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <5aelm7$jai@news.wco.com> References: <19961230155500.KAA10749@ladder01.news.aol.com> antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) wrote: >Is there any out there Not yet... Mike Paquette -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@wco.com mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
From: jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I Network Colorstation to Power Mac via ethernet? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 00:22:37 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <jak-ya023680000201970022380001@news.asu.edu> References: <32C8AE54.7ED8@cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forward me any responses you get on this. I am also interested, especially in the printing aspect, such as whether I could print from my Mac to the NeXT's printer. thanks john --- - ------- ------- You're not going crazy, you're going sane in a crazy world! - The Tick jak@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/
From: jabaker@grail.cba.csuohio.edu (jason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <vohf9idd0.fsf@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu> Control: cancel <vohf9idd0.fsf@jlbaker.async.csuohio.edu> Date: 1 Jan 1997 22:11:56 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5aenfc$7jr@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: keefner@primenet.com (Craig A. Keefner) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: 1 Jan 1997 16:02:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <32ca9679.31095302@news.primenet.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 08:47:33 -0500, Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: >Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? > >If (big if!) your primary intent is to develop a web site, then products >pointed towards that capability would be a better solution, MS's >FrontPage being a good example. "my" website includes a major airline which has financial reports that legal prefers are displayed in one look and one look only. html cannot approach it. Thus pdf files or java applets (of ms documents). Craig
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Calendar and scheduling apps Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 17:04:31 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32CB6B8F.4F69@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: timothy@acm.org Timothy R Mills wrote: > > What kind of calendar/schedule/group scheduling software exists for > NEXTSTEP? What are the features and costs? Is there anything besides > PencilMeIn? daily planner application - Chronographer 0.85 Dwight Everhart everhart@alterlife.com ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/productivity/Chronographer.0.85.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Tools/calendars/Chronographer.0.85.NIHS.b.tar.gz group scheduling - Pencil Me In http://www.sarrus.com/PencilMeIn.html http://www.sarrus.com/FTP.html
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Nextstep Video editing software -Black Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:48:58 GMT Organization: Electronics Service, Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <5aet59$ms9@news.wco.com> References: <19961230155500.KAA10749@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5aelm7$jai@news.wco.com> mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) wrote: >antonmanor@aol.com (AntonManor) wrote: >>Is there any out there >Not yet... Mrphlpth... Lemme get my foot out of my mouth. For NEXTSTEP, you might want to look at ScreenMachineII and MovieMachine, sold by Optimal Object (http://www.optimal-object.com/) These are pretty slick little products, with capture hardware for the Intel platform, and the ability to produce QuickTime/NeXTIME movies. Mike Paquette -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@wco.com mpaque@next.com NeXT business mail only, please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701012307.PAA22899@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 230d8d49b957d005f42033e93bbcef97 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 97 18:06:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Internet Software for the NeXT Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 230d8d49b957d005f42033e93bbcef97 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Mark Pappas Original Date: 1 Jan 1997 01:41:48 GMT Message-ID: 230d8d49b957d005f42033e93bbcef97 - > Web Browser OmniWeb is the free one, and very good. ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5/OmniWeb.2.1.5.N.tar.gz > News Reader always an argument on this one.... checkout http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/newsreaders.html and you can find them all in one easy location > IRC Client The only one I know of: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/misc/Encircle.0.11.NIHS.b.tar.gz > POP E-mail Package ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/PopOver.v1.5.NIHS.bd.tar.gzftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/PopOver.v1.5.README TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Netkit SSL plug-in for OmniWeb or Netsurfer? Date: 2 Jan 1997 07:59:13 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <5afpsh$6nh@gaea.titan.org> References: <5aeelj$ei1@zorak.acns.carleton.edu> me@myhost.carleton.edu (My Account) wrote: > Is there something equivalent to Netkit SSL plug-in for either OmniWeb or > NetSurfer? > This is what NetSurfer said was missing when I tried to login to a stock > trading site. See http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/OmniWeb/2/Download.html for a pointer to such a beast for OmniWeb. I suspect there's one around somewhere for Netsurfer as well. (Your mail headers are messed up, so I couldn't send you email directly.) --- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok
From: eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl (Eelco Houwink) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:21:27 GMT Organization: WorldCom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <199701020924551543635@p006.gor.euronet.nl> References: <AEE62125-47C3C@207.93.51.91> Benjamin Smith <benjs@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > There are some Windows advocates that are so ruggedly pro-Microsoft's tough > business, anti-competitive practices and have a general philosophy that MS > just competes fairly and Apple/NeXT/Microsoft all have the same agenda: to > make money. They don't see the degrees. They don't see how one company may > want to make huge margins but also has a higher standard to their design > and are creative or innovative and the other is primarily interested in > dominating market share and their products are a result of that desire to > dominate. That's the problem. No, that's not. The problem is that a company - whichever high standards it has - failing to market its innovation well, will keep struggling and in the end may cease to exist. While everybody focuses at the tech issues of the OpenMacStep-to-be-Next thing, the market is shaken because the beast even doesn't have its name, let alone its features set. -- Yours Sincerely, Eelco Houwink eelco_houwink@spidernet.nl
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Core Apple Issues for '97 Message-ID: <8CF2313.09B800000C.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 13:07:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Core Issues for Apple in the New Year 12/30/96 Los Angeles Times (Home Edition) For Apple, 1996 was the corporate equivalent of a system crash and restart. A year ago, the papers were rife with rumors of who would buy Apple for a fire-sale price before the company went down in flames, as did a couple of batteries in its PowerBooks. As usual, rumors of Apple's demise proved premature. Defying naysayers yet again, Apple is making it to 1997 with a modest head of steam--a small third- quarter profit, optimistic holiday sales reports and the return of the prodigal son, Steve Jobs. The worst may not be over, but credit Apple with four key moves this year: * Adult supervision returned in the form of CEO Gilbert Amelio, who unlike his predecessor seems to understand how to run a big company. * Most Macs became price-competitive with Windows machines. * Macs got faster. They now perform as fast or faster than comparably priced Intel-based boxes and should keep pace--or set the pace--in 1997. * Apple discovered the Internet, making every new Mac more Internet- friendly than a Windows computer. Still, the new year begs for soul-searching. That's not Apple's strong suit, so I've taken the liberty of doing it for them. Here are four things the company must focus on in 1997: FIX THE OS MESS In case you have a life and haven't spent the entire year tracking Apple's travails: The Mac OS lacks certain modern features that it must offer soon. Those include the ability to do several jobs (such as send e-mail, print and recalculate a spreadsheet) simultaneously without a performance hit, and the ability to protect the OS from crashing when a single application hangs. Apple's engineering corps, beset by defections, doesn't have a clue how to fix things. Enter the brilliant but unpredictable Jobs. With the recent announcement that Apple will acquire his Next Computer, and with it a more modern OS that features some of what the Mac OS lacks, hope springs anew. Now that Apple has new technology, it should offer a realistic time frame for revamping the Mac OS, devote the resources required to meet that deadline, then announce the plan publicly. Honesty for a change--what a concept. What if engineers or executives suffer from Apple's rampant not-invented- here syndrome and resist integrating Next technology and whatever else Apple must buy to keep the Mac current? Fire them. If not, they'll kill the Mac. FIND SOME BIG CLONERS Apple needs at least two companies among the top 15 PC makers or one in the top five to announce that they will sell Mac clones by June. A Compaq or Gateway might make software developers believe in the Mac again. Along these lines, in 1996 Apple devoted $20 million to developer support. If Amelio really wants to stop developer desertions, he'll spend $50 million in 1997. LET CLARIS BE CLARIS Claris, Apple's sensationally successful software company, has proved that it can steamroll the competition. Mac and Windows versions of its Home Page, FileMaker and Emailer products put the competition to shame. In short, Claris, like its superb all-in-one productivity program, Works. So instead of making Claris support ill-considered ventures that spread Apple too thin, let it spend its vast profit to build new products, grow and demonstrate that Apple has a clue about how to survive as a software company. HOLD ONTO THE SCHOOLS Years ago Apple donated thousands of computers to schools, engendering deep loyalty among teachers, grabbing a dominant market share and leading millions of students to become Mac fanatics. To stay strong in the schools Apple needs a new initiative. I call it "Kids First 2000." Apple should give away 2,000 Macs--including an Internet server for every 0 desktop models--to public schools every month between now and 2000. It should throw in a geek SWAT team to wire 2,000 schools, and build technologies designed to help schools administer Web activities. Apple management has never been stupid, just scattered between too many priorities. No time like the new year to choose survival. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Future of the Mac OS Message-ID: <8CF1378.09B8000006.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 14:48:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 From: agora@info.lanic.utexas.edu,Internet Subject: Future of the Mac OS Hancock says first release of Next-generation OS won't be backward compatible By Tova Fliegel Unable to stem the tide of questions about their new OS strategy until Macworld Expo in January, executives at Apple Computer and Next today offered reporters and analysts glimmers of how the purchase of Next will affect Apple's operating system and market plans. The 1st release of Apple's Next-enabled operating system will hit in 1997, but it will be tailored to developers and beta testers, Apple Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock said. A broader release will be available to users sometime in 1998, two years behind Copland's initial release schedule and a year behind the first revised date for Copland's ship. Hancock also estimated that full backward compatibility with existing Mac applications would not be available until well into 1998, although she emphasized that some applications, such as those written in Java, would be compatible before then. She and the other executives were honest in saying they were uncertain about how far back they will be able to carry backward compatibility. When asked if the Next-generation Mac OS would run with 68040 machines, Hancock said, "The OS is intended for the PowerPC, it's not limited to CHRP, however, over time, it will run on CHRP....How far back we can take this, we will figure out later on." Hancock also reassured press and analysts that the new OS would run on any systems Apple is currently shipping. Hancock said Apple had not yet determined which kernel it will use for the new OS, and she said it is safe to assume that users would not be seeing a hybrid OS but rather an integrated technology. In fact, the executives were honest in saying there was a great deal yet to be explored relative to the merger of the two technologies. Avie Tevanian, formally Next's vice president of engineering who will take over as lead of Apple's OS effort and report directly to Hancock, admitted that System 7 has not yet been tested running in emulation mode on the NextStep, however, he refered to third-party emulators developed several years ago for System 6 which he said "ran fairly well. We don't anticipate problems" with the System 7 emulation. That theme -- of having strong hunches about NextStep's capabilities for the Mac but with a great deal of exploration left to be done--recurred as the Next executives referred to a key benefit promised by the Be OS: they said NextStep does support symmetric multiprocessing, but conceded that in its current form the Next OS does not ship for any symmetric multiprocessing applications. Saying that her next move would be to have in-depth discussions with companies like Adobe Systems, Hancock was uncertain about how the Mac OS would handle Next's use of display PostScript versus the Mac's use of QuickDraw GX. NextStep writes to PostScript directly, seen by many publishers as a benefit, while the Mac OS writes to QuickDraw GX which acts as a PostScript interpreter. Officials at both companies were certain that as a newly merged entity they would continue to market and sell OpenStep and WebObjects, the two products that Next has been pushing most recently. Both products work on a variety of platforms, including the Intel platform. They emphasized WebOjects and Next's history as a Unix-based software company with an enterprise focus as opening the enterprise to Apple--a market in which Apple has never been successful. Until the as-yet unnamed Next-generation OS is ready Apple will continue with its strategy to release interim updates to System 7. Users can expect the next revision to System 7 in January, code-named Harmony, and a July release of Tempo, which will incorporate features of the Mac OS 8 Finder. The officials said to stay tuned for Macworld Expo in January for more complete OS information. In the same press conference, Chief Financial Officer Fred Anderson offered some details of how the acquisition would affect Apple's finances, saying that Apple would write off about $300 million of Next's $400 million purchase price in the second quarter of 1997, with the remaining $100 million to be ammortized over the next five to seven years. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94 Origin: Alice strikes back @
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Jobs at Apple Message-ID: <8CF430F.09B8000013.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 97 13:03:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 What Apple did: NeXT Systems' Steve Jobs has returned to Apple to revive the company's fortunes. 12/31/96 The Daily Telegraph London THE most remarkable aspect of Apple Computer's industry-shaking merger with NeXT Software is the return to the fold of Steve Jobs. He will go back to Apple, the company he co-founded in 1977, in a bid to save the computer system he was instrumental in creating: the Macintosh. In many ways the Apple/ NeXT deal is a marriage made in heaven. NeXT, whose NeXTstep operating system was ahead of its time on its release in 1989, will provide Apple with the foundation for a solid, modern operating system. Apple, whose own Macintosh operating system, System 7, is creaking with age, will then bolt on its sexiest bits - primarily its QuickTime multimedia technology and the Macintosh look and feel. The result, if all goes according to plan, will be a modern, powerful but friendly operating system. Apple's previous attempt to build a modern OS by modifying System 7, the Copland project, was a flop. So Apple embarked upon a new strategy: buying all or part of a modern OS from someone else, and then grafting on its characteristic friendliness and ease-of-use. Be Inc, founded by Jean-Louis Gassee, was the main contender to provide Apple with the OS gold dust it was looking for. Be's radical new operating system, BeOS, is fast, powerful, and runs on the same PowerPC chips that power Apple's Power Macintosh computers. But last month it emerged that Apple was also considering Sun's Unix-based Solaris operating system, the NeXTstep system, and - whisper it - even licensing Microsoft's own grown-up OS, Windows NT. This last idea was, however, almost immediately discounted. Negotiations with Be stalled, with Gassee reportedly asking far more than Apple was prepared to pay for his company. At first, the talk of Apple considering Solaris and NeXTstep was seen as a bargaining tactic to get Gassee to drop his price. Then a deal was announced. For $400m, Apple will get NeXT's operating system, its WebObjects Internet development system, and what is undoubtedly the company's most valuable asset: Steve Jobs himself. Current Apple boss Gil Amelio, while considered a safe pair of hands and renowned for his ability to resuscitate ailing technology companies, is just as famous for his lack of charisma. Jobs, on the other hand, is famous for his vision, his drive, and his ability to motivate engineers and programmers. Together, he and his company provide the missing ingredients that Apple desperately needs. But Jobs is also well-known for being extremely difficult to work with. When his Apple co-founder, Steve Wozniak, was made employee number 1 by Apple's personnel department, Jobs insisted on being made employee number zero. Jobs was eventually fired from Apple in 1985 in a boardroom coup when his mercurial temperament became more of a liability than an asset. He left to set up NeXT, a company that eventually gave birth to a technically groundbreaking and highly regarded but poor-selling workstation computer shaped like a black cube. How much of Jobs' long-standing resentment towards Apple remains under the surface is unclear. "It will be great to have him out there evangelising for us," says an Apple insider - but Jobs' quick temper, and his rather sketchy new job description ("consultant"), are potential dangers for the new Apple/ NeXT hybrid. There are also substantial technical obstacles to negotiate. Today's Macintosh software probably won't run on the new Apple/NeXT OS without extensive modification. The first version of the hybrid OS is expected in late 1997, but it is likely to look more like NeXTstep than the Mac OS, and will exist primarily to give software developers a chance to get used to the new architecture. However, even though making today's Mac software work on the new OS will involve a huge amount of work, the alternative - learning how to write Windows software instead - is far less appealing to most Apple developers. So, in the short term at least, the Apple/NeXT deal kills several birds with one stone. In one stroke, Apple suddenly has an operating system strategy; Jobs is reconciled with his old company; his years in the wilderness trying to recreate the Macintosh magic with NeXT were worth it after all; and the Macintosh community, whose morale had slumped following the Copland debacle, has been reinvigorated. Some observers, including Marc Andreessen of Netscape, have suggested that Apple should make its new OS run on Intel hardware as well, to take on Windows NT. The rise of Java, he said last week, "presents a whole new type of challenge to Microsoft, and a new opportunity to Apple and their new OS." The Windows/Mac battle of the Eighties ended in victory for Windows; now Jobs is back for round two. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Objective C Message-ID: <8CF235D.09B800000D.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 14:21:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 (Objective-C is what NeXtstep is written in. I thought some people might find this article of some interest.) Objective-C furnishes powerful option to C++ 04/24/95 PC Week Earlier this month, NeXT acquired all rights to Stepstone's Objective-C programming language. This is an object-oriented superset of C, regarded by many as far easier to learn and use than C++. And it looks to me as if Objective-C's best days are still to come. In particular, Objective-C has always been the core technology of NeXT's justly famous development tools. These were chosen in February by MCI for the custom applications supporting MCI's New Friends and Family discount program. Considering that C++ originated at AT&T, one wonders if language choice is having any impact on relative time-to-market for new services from these two well-funded competitors. NeXT's acquisition of Objective-C does not mean that it's becoming a proprietary tool. On the contrary, NeXT plans to move Objective-C through formal standardization processes to make it an open language. Stepstone has licensed back the right to continue selling Objective-C compilers under its own name. This is a good thing, because the style of software development encouraged by Objective-C is a genuine alternative to the style that is encouraged by both C++ (the "standard" that still isn't) and Ada 95 (an ANSI and ISO object- oriented standard that deserves more attention than it gets). Like the Common Lisp Object System, which recently became the second formal object-oriented standard, Objective-C provides superb facilities for building flexible applications. By flexible, I mean that these applications postpone the binding of polymorphic messages until the object types that are being addressed have been determined at run-time. Too many developers will wind up inventing this for themselves, because they started out with a "more efficient" language that didn't already provide these features. Who will cut through a project's complexities more quickly: the developer who starts with a chain saw or the one who tries to make one from a machete? The latter sort of solution is what you will get if your developers choose tools based on criteria that don't really reflect the kinds of applications you want to build. C++ is certainly "the most common, most supported, and most portable" object-oriented programming language, in the words of Bruce Webster, co- founder of Pages Software. But there's far more to doing good object-oriented development than merely using an object-oriented language, as Webster would be the first to agree. The technical question is one of static type checking vs. dynamic, run-time binding. This is described by Webster in his latest book, just published by M&T, titled "Pitfalls of Object-Oriented Programming." Of the 82 pitfalls, Pitfall 5.4 is titled "Using C++." Lack of dynamic binding is one of his principal criticisms of the language, though he acknowledges that it has been evolving toward this goal. Webster opines that recent C++ refinements, such as run-time type information, have "all the problems inherent to retrofitting a capability for which the language was not intended." It's a fundamental error to focus strictly on choice of language. "We obsess about this endlessly," said Stepstone co-founder Brad Cox in a 1991 interview, "but who is doing anything about specification technology?" Even so, tools such as Objective-C encourage developers to specify what the customer wants, instead of what a more limiting language can provide. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: mthomas7@ix.netcom.com (Michael Thomas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Useful software, mono/color Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 21:24:41 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <mthomas7-0101972124420001@nyc-ny11-17.ix.netcom.com> References: <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> In article <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu>, jak@asu.edu (John Kestner) wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a NeXTstation, and would like to know what kind of > apps are out there that can make it a useful machine to me(as opposed to a > beautiful example of industrial design sitting on my desk). > > The categories of software in which I am interested: > > DTP (something like Quark, maybe?) > all sorts of graphics (mostly bitmapped, little vector) including 3D > CAD/something like formZ > webdesign > light web/mailserver software? > and of course internet surfing (mail, newsgroups, www). > > Are there any notable apps in these categories? Especially shareware, of > course. And a way to transfer files to/from a Mac. > > > Also, please note whether any such apps would want color. I'd need to > justify a color NeXTstation (I'm leaning toward mono). > > Sorry if this asks for a lot of info, but I'd appreciate it greatly. > > thanks > john > > --- - ------- ------- > Music is a higher revelation than philosophy. - Beethoven > > jak@asu.edu > http://www.public.asu.edu/~jkestner/ John, For DTP track down a copy of Aldus Virtuoso (preferably v 2, AKA "Virtuoso Gold). It's Freehand 4 for NeXT and will export files as Freehand 3, various Illustrator formats and I forget what else for the Mac. Plus, it'll let you see all those Postscript effects you have to take on faith with a Mac. One thing to remember: NeXT (or at least the scanner I used) saves its TIFF scans in a Windows flavor. If you try to use them in a Mac, open them from within Photoshop and save as Mac TIFFs. For retouch, WetPaint could show Photoshop a few things about interface design, though it lacks a "magic wand". I hear good things about Tiffany, too. Omniweb from Lighthouse Design is a nice Netscape browser for NeXT. As for hardware, you might really consider a more modern Pentium running NeXTstep. Plain wrapper, but same soul. And a ton faster since the old color blackware equals a Quadra 9-something. Mike Thomas (Mac 7500 and NeXT Turbo Color station)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Message-ID: <1997Jan1.185620.91049@cc.usu.edu> From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 1 Jan 97 18:56:20 MDT References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <geordie-ya023480003012961049390001@kyrie> Distribution: inet In article <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de>, wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) wrote: > > Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the > fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. This is a -disadvantage- ?? Yum, let's talk about the lack of COBOL compilers too while we're at it... Oooh, I feel soooo disadvantaged. > The capability to run _ANY_ > (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X > protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS > as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage > of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. > Sheesh, if you really have to run X that badly, install the free X11R6 package off the archives. Then you can X to your heart's content.
From: rworne@primenet.com (Robert Worne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mix for NeXT (motorola) Review Date: 1 Jan 1997 20:19:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <5af9f6$n1l@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <5aae8b$s80@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> A couple things to add: 1. Mix needs to be run from a logged in user account. 2. If an answering machine program is configured, mix will automatically start answering the phone if auto-launched. The user interface and docs do not imply this. -- Robert Worne NeXT-OS/2-MacOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Starving CS Undergrad: "Sorry, I don't do Windows! I'd rather starve!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my videogame collecting site! http://www.primenet.com/~rworne/
From: "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 2 Jan 1997 03:42:56 GMT Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. P.S. Flames welcome.
From: Timothy R Mills <timothy@acm.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Calendar and scheduling apps Date: 2 Jan 1997 01:47:35 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Message-ID: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> Keywords: calendar, schedule What kind of calendar/schedule/group scheduling software exists for NEXTSTEP? What are the features and costs? Is there anything besides PencilMeIn? Please email me with any details and contacts. Thanks. Timothy -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Mills 2500 Innsbrook Road timothy@acm.org Charlotte, NC 28226 (NeXT/MIME/ASCII) phone: 704-442-1141 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mattw@staff.uiuc.edu (Matt Ward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Pop3D problem fixed. Date: 2 Jan 1997 04:25:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: na Message-ID: <5afdcf$fnn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Summary: Pop3D problem fixed, thanks Thanks to all who answered, niload fixed it. -- Matt Ward mattw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinios CCSO
From: jison@ucs.indiana.edu (james samuel ison) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 2 Jan 1997 04:36:50 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-User: 1073745024 Um. call your Crack dealer and tell him to stop selling you the cheap stuff. Frank Chu (chu@ipoline.com) wrote: : I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since : it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly : no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) : running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance : or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache : onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only : half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. : : P.S. Flames welcome. -- ---- "Queens Don't Make Bargains"--Lewis Carroll. James S. Ison jison@ucs.indiana.edu University Computing Services/DSL --Consultant --Web Master
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pages by Pages Date: 2 Jan 1997 04:53:51 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5aff0v$f0l@news.platinum.com> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5a98q9$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <5a9f9d$qfe@news.bctel.net> <32C8475F.5504@afs.com> Cc: greg@afs.com In <32C8475F.5504@afs.com> "Gregory H. Anderson" wrote: > Scott wrote: > > Who owns the code? Is there a chance Pages could be revived in light > > of the recent merger? > > As I posted the other day, Pages was shut down, and they sold the rights > to Ted Shelton's company (ITS), which I believe is also defunct. The > code was pretty hairy -- not something you'd look forward to converting > to OPENSTEP. It would be easier to take the concept and reimplement it > in an app that was already a decent text/graphics engine. > > Greg > Greg, I would kiss you, or not-kiss you, whatever you prefer. I loved Pages. It had the coolest text/layout system that I have ever used -- and I've test-driven most of them. I miss Pages dearly. It wasn't quite done (needed better support for alien file types, etc.) but the interface paradigm had the potential of a serious killer app. It made MS-Word and PageMaker look like toys. I guess it kicked butt in the same way that Improve did. (Thank god for Quantrix.) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| WebObjects: PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| because life is longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= too short for (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U Lotus Notes.
From: help@spry.com Organization: Self Help Corp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <borra.5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Control: cancel <5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> References: <5ackvg$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:41:20 +0100 EMP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. The Breidbart index was 494. See report "totalmarketing" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: FREE EDUCATIONAL VIDEO/CDs.
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 2 Jan 1997 12:07:43 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ag8ef$t2o@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> Cc: chu@ipoline.com In <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> "Frank Chu" wrote: > I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since > it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly > no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) > running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance > or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache > onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only > half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. > Ah, education, one can see the warm shine of wisdom... Get some brain between your ears, then see some benchmark reports. A PPC603e may easily blow away a MMX Pentium at the same clock. A PPC604e can do the same for the PPro. As usual the problem is the compiler technology, the best RISC cpu is scrap metal when the machine code isn't fully optimized for it. So your millage may vary. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: tedl@top.net (Ted Leonard) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:40:03 -0600 Organization: IDT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <tedl-ya02408000R0101972340030001@news.top.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Frank Chu (chu@ipoline.com) wrote: >: I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since >: it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly >: no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) >: running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance >: or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache >: onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only >: half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. This is the sort of thing that happens when people let their 12 year olds play with their computer. > >: P.S. Flames welcome. Flames welcome? More like flames inevitable. -- Ted Leonard tedl@top.net If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.software,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.video,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.unix.unixware.a From: "Bitstream" <m.jorna@tip.nl> Subject: REQ: reg code for in-cube for win95 (voice recognition) Message-ID: <01bbe833$a65b5480$1ed2b18f@t819096> Sender: news@tip.nl (The News User) Organization: The Internet Plaza Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:03:05 GMT plaese mail to : m.jorna@tip.nl
From: brataas@sn.no (John Brataas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: PENPAL GREETINGS! (was Re: VIRUS ALERT) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:04:03 GMT Organization: SOUND-tec Message-ID: <5agbo5$9me@elle.eunet.no> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <5a0u8u$ck1@hunter.premier.net> battleaxe@cwc.lsu.edu (Scott Hoppe) wrote: > >In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) > wrote: > >>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded > >>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM > >> > >>Subject: Virus Alert > >>Importance: High > >> > >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL > >>GREETINGS! ; please delete it > >>WITHOUT reading it. > In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... > > > >What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't > >contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually > run > >it. Someday these people will learn.... > > > They completely missed the joke this time, because the original poster didn't > use the Subject: 'PENPAL GREETINGS!'. "Don't read the messages sendt to you by the obnoxious persons johnb@falch.no and janr@falch.no. If you open this message on a Windows PC you will enable a virus that force you to type "I will rather use a Macintosh" once evey 5 minutes. If you don't follow theese instructions the virus will spinn up you CD or floppy to 95.000 rpm. and slice your PC into two halfs. Forward this info to everyone you know - even your mother in law"
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ReInstalling NeXTStep 3.2 from scratch Date: 02 Jan 1997 08:14:22 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7n2usoy01.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Well, after screwing around for awhile, I thought I would ask what the reccomended procedure is for completely wiping a disk, and reinstalling NeXTStep 3.2 from scratch. Just boot the cdrom and go ? .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: zweimuel@fcggsg06.icg.tu-graz.ac.at (Zweimueller Karl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Supra FAX Modem driver/Mach Date: 2 Jan 1997 17:10:22 GMT Organization: Graz University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <5agq5u$up6@fstgal00.tu-graz.ac.at> References: <5a8mup$1tb0@www.univie.ac.at> a9050756@unet.univie.ac.at wrote: : Is there a driver for Supra FAX modems for fax in/out capability directly from nextstep/mach? I use mgetty/sendfax with a Supra 28800 and it works fine. But you need to compile/configure the mgetty-system. -- Internet: | Zweimueller Karl | Packet-Radio: zweimuel@icg.tu-graz.ac.at | Graz,Austria | OE5KZN@DB0LNA.#BAY.DEU.EU
From: indy@pachacuti.is.com (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.software Subject: Re: Zilla Date: 2 Jan 1997 16:54:13 GMT Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5agp7l$957@medusa.is.com> References: <32B210F4.696A@soback.kornet.nm.kr> In article <32B210F4.696A@soback.kornet.nm.kr> YoungHoon Kil <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> writes: > Mark Bessey wrote: > > > > Zilla is a system for running programs on a number of computers when > > they're otherwise idle. The online help in Zilla.app explains (more or > > less) how to set things up. As for what you can do with it, Zilla has been > > used at NeXT for various research projects in cryptography and video > > compression. Basically, any difficult computing problem that can be > > partitioned into relatively large chunks is a candidate for zilla-zation. > > > Can I use Zilla.app for image processecing or rendering on the > TIFFany.app or solidThinking? > Could you show me the example? If there's any spare time all all to be had in Redwood City, I'd strongly urge NeXT to plop some demos of "Zilla-ization" on NeXTAnswers, especially any graphics-related ones. Speaking as a graphics geek, such concrete examples of distributed graphics computing would be tha strongest possible attention-getter for the Mac content-creation community. Currently they're running SGI's and IRIX for such work, and that's not always a Good Thing. -- | Steve Weintz | "The Deliverator's car packs enough potential energy | indy@is.com | in its batteries to fire a pound of bacon into the | 612.686.4085 | Asteroid Belt." -- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash
From: indy@pachacuti.is.com (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.rendering.renderman,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: NeXT RenderMan Example Web work Date: 2 Jan 1997 17:09:57 GMT Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5agq55$979@medusa.is.com> Keywords: RenderMan, NeXT, Web , graphics <PLUG> For the curious RenderPerson, our company's revamped website (http://www.is.com) sports icons I designed and created using GESTEL's solidThinking.app running under NeXT's OS on a Pentium PC. Texture maps and image retouching were done using Caffiene Software's TIFFany II image processor. </PLUG> -- | Steve Weintz | "The Deliverator's car packs enough potential energy | indy@is.com | in its batteries to fire a pound of bacon into the | 612.686.4085 | Asteroid Belt." -- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash
From: pxpst2@pitt.edu (the) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:10:46 +0200 Organization: jj Distribution: inet Message-ID: <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> Frank you are an idiot that does not know JACK. You surely don't know processors. The PowerPC chip is a generartion ahead of the pentium. The MacOS even hobbled by nonnative I/O routines can still keep up with the Pentiums. The PowerPC was designed to have a hefty FPU. It is the role of programmers to use it. Here is some advice: My grandmother told me "it is better to keep your mouth shut and have peaple think you are dumb than to open your mouth and let peaple know you are dumb." Peter Pediaditakis
From: Michael.Gentry@mci.com (Michael Gentry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:25:45 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Message-ID: <5ah23p$nh9@news.internetmci.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> In-Reply-To: <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> On 12/29/96, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho >the fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to >run _ANY_ (even GUI) application remotely through a network via >the standard X protocol (which allows access to these applications >from any client OS as long as there is an X server available for >it) is one main advantage of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current >OS. I've done X/Motif and I'm doing NeXTstep ... you will have to drag me kicking and screaming before I go back to X. X is a neat-o toy, but it's certainly not mass-market (too darned difficult for most users). Besides, NeXTstep supports (and has done so for quite a time) similar remote hosting capabilities as X. You simply run a program using "program -NXHost system" instead of "program -display system:0.0" (the X equivalent). I use this feature to run our user's application in Dallas and display it on my machine in DC to do remote debugging. Works perfectly. You can also use this feature to run applications which aren't installed on your machine, just like X. NeXTstep is client-server based, just like X. It's just incredibly nicer to use than X (at many levels). - mrg -- "We love Java, but we believe in choice." - Brad Silverberg, Microsoft Corporation, December 1996
From: tzulun@Hawaii.Edu (Tzu-Lun Lin) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:12:08 GMT Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ah1a8$hiq@news.Hawaii.Edu> Frank Chu (chu@ipoline.com) wrote: : I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since : it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly : no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) : running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance : or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache : onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only : half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. Shitty Mac OS compared to what? Solaris? Yes. But a SPARC station is far more expensive them a PowerPC Mac. If you prefer a SUN Sparc over System/6000 running AIX. Ok. That's your choice. What's that got to do with PowerPC Mac? A dual Pentium should cost less than half of a SPARC or O2. And SPARC and O2 are not shitty machines. PPC CPUs can not eat shit. Only organisms capable to consuming can. I'm sure you are one of them. Your logic goes like this. A top of the line Pentium costs the same as a SPARC or O2. Win95 is shit. A BeBox, dual PPC is ultra fast, cost a fraction of Sun's or SGI's workstation. So all of a sudden, Pentium based CPUs developed a capability to cosume digested food. Huh?
From: edx@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Message-ID: <1997Jan2.140005.91071@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 97 14:00:05 MDT References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University In article <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) writes: > In article <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com>, dwy@ace.net (David Young) wrote: > >> Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties. > > Disagree. It is theoretically possible to implement DPS on top of X, > for example. Then it will look exactly like NEXTSTEP and behave almost > the same, and you can interface to it identically using the AppKit. In > fact this is more than theory; the GNUstep project is implementing this. We wish. Implementing DPS on X in no way automatically makes your interface look and behave like NEXTSTEP. And the GNUstep project is an excellent example. If you have actually used GNUstep, you will find a Motif UI. Motif buttons, Motif windows, Motif everything. That's because you'll have to write the equivalent of your own "widget set" (to use X terminology) if you use DPS, and the GNUstep folks are opting to use the existing Motif widget set to save them time. While it does save them time, you surely don't get a NEXTSTEP look or feel. From a developer's standpoint, coding should end up the same, eventually. But GNUstep is still such a mess right now, it's not exactly a stirling example of a PD OpenStep implementation.
From: Hunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk (Henry Blackman) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: re: "power" pc chips can eat shit Date: 02 Jan 97 21:26:18 Organization: [not set] Distribution: inet Message-ID: <852261978mnewsHunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk> References: <5ah1a8$hiq@news.Hawaii.Edu> According to the latest issue of Amiga Format (Future Publishing UK) if Quikpak purchase Amiga Technologies (please, please), their new version of Amiga will be DEC Alpha and low end machines will continue to run on 680x0 series (they say 070, 080... - but Motorola have PUBLICALLY said no new 0x0 series processors). What's going on here? Why DEC Alpha, when the rest of the Amiga community are moving toward PowerPC; which are cheaper; AND would enable Quikpak to release lower end machines based on RISC technology as well as high end machines based on the SAME processors THUS enabling users/developers to have the same applications running on their machines (take a breath...). Henry.
From: dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 06:07:33 GMT Organization: TNI Message-ID: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm currently using Windows NT Workstation (4.0). After evaluating hundreds of applications, I have found several that are of the "essential" variety. For me to use the NeXT system, I would need replacements for all or most of these. Does NeXTStep currently have good applications of the following kinds? (1) Offline news readers for dialup accounts Prime examples: Forte Agent, Gravity, MS Internet News (2) Offline Web agents (for checking sites automatically and downloading changes for offline viewing) Prime examples: Tierra Highlights, Surfbot, Teleport Pro (3) File synchronization utilities (for reflecting changes onto a backup MO drive) (4) POP email clients that handle multiple accounts in one interface, and are able to handle Japanese (5) Up-to-date Web browser support (6) Wordprocessing software compatible with MS Word 6.0 or later (7) Spreadsheet software comparable to MS Excel In addition, the system should have the ability to dial up automatically to my Internet providers on demand, as I now do with RAS. That's my basic list of requirements. Without these, I can see no reason for me to switch from NT 4.0, which runs stably on my 486-based system. (By stable, I mean it has never crashed once, and is running the above programs 24 hours a day.) On the other hand, if I can get similar applications for NeXTStep, and the OS itself becomes more affordable, and the user interface is as advanced as people claim, and it has other advantages over NT 4.0, it might be worth a look. If not, what would be the point?? ------ John De Hoog dehoog@super.zippo.com
From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:48:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997010222482930471@peu1-87.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <geordie-ya023480003012961049390001@kyrie> <1997Jan1.185620.91049@cc.usu.edu> X-no-archive: yes <edx@cc.usu.edu> wrote: > In article <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de>, > > The capability to run _ANY_ > > (even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X > > protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS > > as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage > > of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. > > > > Sheesh, if you really have to run X that badly, install the free X11R6 > package off the archives. Then you can X to your heart's content. Oops, so if I install an X server on my computer, every application running on it automatically turns into an X client? Seems as if I have missed something in the manual... -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away > As for an "important disadvantage"... well, clearly lack of remote viewing > has seriously impeded the growth of the market for other OSes which don't > have this feature, such as Windows and Windows95... [off-topic on] I've never seen any Wintel crapbox properly running the software that I'm using almost every day. And if it (Wintel) could run what I work with, for efficiency reasons I would still use anything else if I had the free choice... BTW: I was talking about advantages of an OS from a USER, not from a VENDOR standpoint of view, and I don't think the fact that WinDos is currently the best-selling 'OS' has brought any advantages to the users so far (imho rather the opposite should be true, followup-to's to comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy)... [off-topic off] If Apple builds a new OS on an (in what way ever) unix-related basis (which requires finding a 'workaround' for certain not very user -friendly Unix-'features' anyway), imho they would be stupid if they gave away voluntarily one of the most important advantages Unix still has over any other mainstream OS. And the fact that all (or most) current implementations of X have a UI (concerning system administration etc.) that is everything else than self-explaining (which would imho be necessary for a desktop OS) does not necessarily mean that realising such a UI is impossible. -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:48:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Message-ID: <1997010222484931632@peu1-87.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de> <01bbf7be$ddc14b60$84c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> X-no-archive: yes Karl Thomas <karlt@ilinks.net> wrote: > While I agree that the idea of running applications remotely on a single > user system is not the same as running an app remotely using X, I wouldn't > go as far as saying running apps remotely doesn't make any sense on a > single user system. If you're on the road and you might need to access > your desktop remotely or take advantage of resources that aren't available > on your laptop. Sorry if I didn't explain clearly enough: Is was not talking about remote access to file sharing networks. Afaik this is already a common standard feature of most network systems. F'up2 set -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: nextusr@sleepy.ponyexpress.net (The Woodsman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Calendar and scheduling apps Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 17:10:20 -0500 Organization: PonyExpress Net Message-ID: <nextusr-0201971710200001@ponyexpress-5-port-15.ponyexpress.net> References: <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net> The best I have found is also the cheapest. That is Cassendra. It can be found on most NeXT FTP sites. Hope this helps. NeXTusr In article <5af43n$8bu@ralph.vnet.net>, timothy@acm.org wrote: > What kind of calendar/schedule/group scheduling software exists for > NEXTSTEP? What are the features and costs? Is there anything besides > PencilMeIn? > > Please email me with any details and contacts. > > Thanks. > Timothy > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy R. Mills 2500 Innsbrook Road > timothy@acm.org Charlotte, NC 28226 > (NeXT/MIME/ASCII) phone: 704-442-1141 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Windows 95 - Got it... Tried it... Dumped it!
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:32:33 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ahk31$1e6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <1997Jan2.140005.91071@cc.usu.edu> In article <1997Jan2.140005.91071@cc.usu.edu>, edx@cc.usu.edu wrote: > In article <5a950s$frj@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) writes: > > In article <5a7mar$510@huffalump.visi.com>, dwy@ace.net (David Young) wrote: > >> Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties. > > Disagree. It is theoretically possible to implement DPS on top of X, > > for example. Then it will look exactly like NEXTSTEP and behave almost > > the same, and you can interface to it identically using the AppKit. In > > fact this is more than theory; the GNUstep project is implementing this. > We wish. Implementing DPS on X in no way automatically makes your > interface look and behave like NEXTSTEP. I never claimed it did. Of course you have to implement the drawing methods for all the AppKit objects. > And the GNUstep project > is an excellent example. If you have actually used GNUstep, you > will find a Motif UI. Motif buttons, Motif windows, Motif everything. > That's because you'll have to write the equivalent of your own > "widget set" (to use X terminology) if you use DPS, and the > GNUstep folks are opting to use the existing Motif widget > set to save them time. While it does save them time, you > surely don't get a NEXTSTEP look or feel. That's the short-term goal. They will write a widget set later on. But that's beside the point. The original poster's claim was: "Basing anything on X incurs heavy ease-of-use penalties". My post was to correct this common fallacy; the poster was probably confusing the existing X widget sets and API with the X protocol itself. My point was that there is nothing inherent in X that makes interfaces difficult to use and that, in fact, one could have a desktop implemented in X that looks exactly like NEXTSTEP. (Though there are other differences, like X's horrible color model.) > From a developer's standpoint, coding should end up the same, > eventually. But GNUstep is still such a mess right now, it's > not exactly a stirling example of a PD OpenStep implementation. If you don't like GNUstep (and I disagree with your comments about its quality), then someone pointed out to me that OpenStep/NEO also uses DPS+X. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: josteven@rmi.net (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 3 Jan 1997 00:54:21 GMT Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ahlbt$m93@rainbow.rmii.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> In article <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de>, Wolfgang Keller <wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de> wrote: >X-no-archive: yes > >As I understand it, the ability for pre-emptive multitasking is >_NECESSARY_ for realtime capabilitiy (so a non-pre-emptive OS like the >MacOS can _NEVER_ be a realtime OS), but it is of course not sufficient, >because pre-emptive multitasking can only guarantee that a command will >be executed _AT ALL_, but not necessarily within a certain maximum >response time. Yah, to guarantee real-time response, you have to have a hard, fast and fixed priority scheme, and either allow only one process per priority, or limit the number of processes per priority level (and select the heart beat time) to guarantee response within the maximum allowed time. . . Of course, what this really means is that only one priority level can guarantee a response time, since all other, lower level priorities, can be interrupted by higher level priority processes. . . >P.S.: Real time capability is imho only relevant for OSes that are used >in embedded controllers and other systems where security is relevant, >but I don't think it is a major issue for any desktop (or server) OS for >'standard' applications. Well, it is really nice, almost a requirement, for real-time gaming. Hence the reason that DOS is still one of the best game platforms. . . When the game starts up, it installs its own "engine" (which is, in reality, a small real time OS + game support libraries and I/O support code) to run the game. It's kinda hard to do all that machine take-over stuff with any other OS, which is why MS introduced the game writing hooks into their Home OS. >Another, much more improtant disadvantage of the NeXT OS is imho the >fact that the GUI is afaik not based on X. The capability to run _ANY_ >(even GUI) application remotely through a network via the standard X >protocol (which allows access to these applications from any client OS >as long as there is an X server available for it) is one main advantage >of Unix systems over _ANY_ other current OS. Of course, I agree with your assesment of X, but would respectfully point out that X isn't a Unix-dependent service. I've run X servers on Macs, and if someone were willing to port the libraries to something like WinNT, you could conceivably run an X application on an NT box and run the server on a Mac/Win95/WinNT/Unix box. . . X has been slow to be adopted by the major desktop players, because up until now, their operating systems and network services support were far to primitive to act as servers. John S.
From: josteven@rmi.net (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 3 Jan 1997 00:58:09 GMT Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ahlj1$nbn@rainbow.rmii.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de> In article <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de>, Wolfgang Keller <wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de> wrote: >X-no-archive: yes > >Under MacOS, running applications remotely is not a standard built-in >feature of the OS, and it is not reasonable to do this (via third-part >utilities) either (for standard applications) because there is no >possibility at all to work with more than one user at a time on a Mac. >Running applications remotely doesn't make any sense on a single-user >OS. It actually does, but only for short, small administration tasks over a high speed network. Timbuktu is a real dog, some 10 to 20 times slower than X. I can't think of any reason to use Timbuktu, though, if the OS had the services to support X. John S.
From: leonvs@occam.com (Leon von Stauber) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Useful software, mono/color Date: 3 Jan 1997 01:11:29 GMT Organization: Occam's Razor Message-ID: <5ahmc1$6o4@hackberry.zilker.net> References: <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> Cc: jak@asu.edu In <jak-ya023680002912960132500001@news.asu.edu> John Kestner wrote: > > I'm thinking of getting a NeXTstation, and would like to know what kind of > apps are out there that can make it a useful machine to me(as opposed to a > beautiful example of industrial design sitting on my desk). The best place to look for this stuff is probably ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next You can also try ftp://peanuts.leo.org > The categories of software in which I am interested: > > DTP (something like Quark, maybe?) > all sorts of graphics (mostly bitmapped, little vector) including 3D > CAD/something like formZ > webdesign WebObjects :-) There are also a couple of HTML editors (I have one called WebWriter), and an imagemap creator (WebMapper). > light web/mailserver software? For mail, sendmail! Built in, of course. If you're looking for graphical ease-of-use, though, I don't know of any front ends. I expect this will be one of the new tools available from Apple. Apache is a pretty nice free Web server. Again, no front ends that I know of. > and of course internet surfing (mail, newsgroups, www). Mail.app comes w/ the system. You should get the EnhanceMail.bundle for it as well. I use RadicalNews for Usenet. I recall liking the interface for NewsFlash as well. OmniWeb for Web surfing. There's also Netsurfer. > Are there any notable apps in these categories? Especially shareware, of > course. And a way to transfer files to/from a Mac. FTP will work. NEXTSTEP will also read Mac-formatted media, such as floppies. > Also, please note whether any such apps would want color. I'd need to > justify a color NeXTstation (I'm leaning toward mono). Color is always nice, of course. However, I haven't really missed it on my mono system, except for one thing: Web surfing. Mono sucks for Web surfing. But then, Web surfing sucks over 28.8 anyway. ____________________________________________________________________ Leon von Stauber http://www.occam.com/leonvs/ Occam's Razor, Game Designer <leonvs@occam.com> PSW Technologies, System Administrator <leonvs@pswtech.com> MIDS, Web Developer <leonvs@mids.org> "We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 01:15:58 GMT Organization: RHAHMM Message-ID: <5ahmgp$73c@news3.texas.net> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <59s88u$63f@buffnet2.buffnet.net> In article <59s88u$63f@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, rwcrosby@buffnet.net (Rik Crosby) wrote: >Ya know, if I remember correctly, thi seems to be the EXACT same warning that >was floating around with Good Times. > >In article <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net>, mtm@insync.net says... >> >>What is this? Another "Good Time's Virus" scare? This is crazy. Email can't >>contain a virus. Maybe a binary attachment, but then you have to actually run >>it. Someday these people will learn.... >> >>In article <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net>, jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) wrote: >>>Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT! virus alert - " Trojan Horse" -Forwarded >>>Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 9:37 PM >>> >>>Subject: Virus Alert [snip] I apologize for the virus alert post, which I have canceled. It was stupid of me to post it without checking it out first. -- John
From: Internet User <netuser@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 14:44:43 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John De Hoog wrote: > That's my basic list of requirements. Without these, I can see no > reason for me to switch from NT 4.0, which runs stably on my 486-based > system. (By stable, I mean it has never crashed once, and is running > the above programs 24 hours a day.) On the other hand, if I can get > similar applications for NeXTStep, and the OS itself becomes more > affordable, and the user interface is as advanced as people claim, and > it has other advantages over NT 4.0, it might be worth a look. If not, > what would be the point?? Good point, John. I myself have been using NeXTstep for quite some time now, and felt certain that Apple would choose NeXTstep over Be when the stupid Mac zealots in this newsgroup were caught in the grips of Be fever. And being also an NT user, I can totally see where you're coming from. The short answer to your question is that the combination of Mac OS and NeXTstep still does not yield all the applications that you require. To be quite blunt, in the marketplace both operating systems have been losers (even though technically they may indeed have winning points). When you add two losers together, you don't necessarily get a winner. I believe in the Apple/NeXT combination because it really does bring unique strengths to the Mac. But your question remains: is it enough? A few years ago the answer would have been a resounding yes. Today it is an emphatic no. The central problem here is that, in order to really succeed, Apple needs to be MAGNITUDES above the rest of the computing world, at least in some respects, the way that it used to be back in the late 80's and early 90's. Granted, subsuming NeXTstep into Mac OS is a neat idea, and can bring in some cool things, but will the combo be MAGNITUDES better than Windows? Nope. Apple worshippers will probably point to NeXT IB (Interface Builder) and lavish praise upon it and assert how there's nothing like it in the known universe. So riddle me this: if IB is as great as Steve Jobs claims, and makes programmers 10 to 50 times more productive, then where are the flood of NeXTstep applications? Taking Jobs words at face value, one should expect 10 to 50 times the software that NeXTstep's tiny marketshare can otherwise claim. That ain't the case, guys. I'm not knocking IB. I do like it. I also appreciate the nice work that's been done with it, most notably Improv, Doom and Quake. But the real deal that makes programmers more productive turns out not to be OOP (Object-Oriented Programming) like IB, but rather quasi-OOP componentware like VB (Visual Basic). Just take a look at any shareware archive and note the sheer quantity of software that's been done with VB or Delphi. That's what real programmer productivity looks like. In terms of stability, I believe my NeXTstep running on a 68040 is about as stable and responsive as NT on a 486. However, crashes are also not totally unknown in the NeXTstep world. So it goes.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 3 Jan 1997 00:15:07 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ahj2b$clq@news4.digex.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> Internet User <netuser@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Apple worshippers will probably point to NeXT IB (Interface >> Builder) and lavish praise upon it and assert how there's nothing >> like it in the known universe. So riddle me this: if IB is as >> great as Steve Jobs claims, and makes programmers 10 to > 50 times more productive, then where are the flood of NeXTstep > applications? Taking Jobs words at face value, one should expect > 10 to 50 times the software that NeXTstep's tiny marketshare can > otherwise claim. That ain't the case, guys. Well, think about it...there may be 1/1000th or 1/10,000th the number of developers under NeXTSTEP. They are individually more productive as the HUGE wealth of free/shareware will attest. But they cannot make up for the huge difference in manpower on other platforms. For much the same reason, ms platforms have a TON more software. > I'm not knocking IB. I do like it. I also appreciate the nice > work that's been done with it, most notably Improv, Doom and > Quake. But the real deal that makes programmers more productive > turns out not to be OOP (Object-Oriented Programming) like IB, > but rather quasi-OOP componentware like VB (Visual Basic). Just > take a look at any shareware archive and note the sheer quantity > of software that's been done with VB or Delphi. That's what real > programmer productivity looks like. What a load of poop. VB has resulted in a lot of stuff b/c it's rammed down people's throats. Much like C++. Delphi is FULL OOP and is a fantastic environment. I'd put it 2nd after NeXT's tools. -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: "Derek Lin" <dereklin@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 3 Jan 1997 00:35:49 GMT Organization: Workgroup Message-ID: <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> Internt User wrote: > Good point, John. I myself have been using NeXTstep for quite some time now, and felt > certain that Apple would choose NeXTstep over Be when the stupid Mac zealots in this > newsgroup were caught in the grips of Be fever. And being also an NT user, I can > totally see where you're coming from. Internet User, I'm sure you would like to claim sagacious prescience, but can you prove it? I can with the message I posted on this newsgroup back in November 15, 1996. For those who don't know Dejanews, I will excerpt as follows: *EXCERPT BEGIN* The NeXTstep Connection Everyone's attention is now riveted to the BeOS, which really does offer fresh new ideas. At the risk of downplaying Be, I'd like to say that NeXTstep should also be considered as an alternative OS for Power Macs. And why not, indeed? NeXTstep is based on Unix, so it will certainly take care of multitasking concerns. Unlike BeOS, it has an established track record, and has matured nicely over the years. NeXT is also quite experienced by now with porting to different platforms, and boasts of technical talents who are intimately familiar with the Macintosh architecture. If NeXT software engineers can make NeXTstep perform acceptably on a 25-MHz 68040, just imagine how NeXTstep will run on the latest PowerPC-based Macs! * EXCERPT END* In terms of interface, the NeXT is pretty good, but still has shortcomings. For instance, its menu system, while impressive to technonerds, really takes up too much screen real estate. It's also by default where a tool bar for a graphics app (like Corel, Illustrator, Photoshop, Freehand, and many others) is likely to be. It would be best to retain the NeXT menu's black 3D looks, as well as its tear-off capability, but make it horizontal like a self-respecting Mac menu at the top of the screen. The right mouse button (yes, Virginia, future Macs ought to have 2 buttons) can behave as it does in NeXTstep: make a temporary copy of the menu appear wherever it is clicked. This elegantly solves the big-screen problem, where most users have to travel a long way to get to the top of the screen, just to traverse the menu tree. I agree that NeXTstep won't make Macs miles ahead of PCs, and your comment about IB is right on. However, I remain hopeful that this new OS strategy will revitalize the Macintosh world in a way that Apple alone has failed to do.
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: 3 Jan 1997 00:44:40 GMT Organization: Zip News Message-ID: <01bbf90f$31920760$acc289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <AEED18A9-17E66@207.158.13.7> <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de> <01bbf7be$ddc14b60$84c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> <1997010222484931632@peu1-87.m.eunet.de> Wolfgang Keller <wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de> wrote in article <1997010222484931632@peu1-87.m.eunet.de>... > X-no-archive: yes > > Karl Thomas <karlt@ilinks.net> wrote: > > > While I agree that the idea of running applications remotely on a single > > user system is not the same as running an app remotely using X, I wouldn't > > go as far as saying running apps remotely doesn't make any sense on a > > single user system. If you're on the road and you might need to access > > your desktop remotely or take advantage of resources that aren't available > > on your laptop. > > Sorry if I didn't explain clearly enough: Is was not talking about > remote access to file sharing networks. Afaik this is already a common > standard feature of most network systems. Neither was I, programs like PCAnywhere or Timbuktu let you control another computer remotely as if you were actually sitting down to the host computer. You see the same thing on your screen as the host computer sees on there's.
From: gxa114@wilbur.cac.psu.edu (GEOF ABRUZZI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Black vs. White Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 3 Jan 1997 03:23:16 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <5ahu34$1fu8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <AEEF6196-1C1058@207.147.50.226> <01bbf81b$3990d8a0$102c1281@demoroom> Eren Kotan (Eren_Kotan@next.com) wrote: : What did you want to know, specifically? Compile speed? Graphics : performance? IO? : Let me know. I am curious how well a Pentium compares against the DSP on Black hardware? And does most/all audio software use the DSP? Geof -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Geof Abruzzi Language is a virus from outer space. gxa114@cac.psu.edu And hearing your name is better BeBox Developer #3089 than seeing your face. -Laurie Anderson ...
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:46:14 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) wrote: >sangria@inlink.com (Sang K. Choe) wrote: > >>Sendmail is everything. >>It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. > >>And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >>cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. > >>My favorite sendmail bug: > >>The one that lets you send a mail to any file on the host machine. >>Say something like /etc/passwd...being able to overwrite the >>/etc/passwd file with something like: > >The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your >identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing >/etc/passwd to the postmaster... > >Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. > >I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the >uudecode/uuencode aliases. Yes, sendmail is complex. It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it is now one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able to find still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will be hard to find bugs. Now you can do lite version of sendmail, fo small servers. But you won't have powerfull mail server. If you must manage huge sites, with a huge number of people with different ways of tranfering mails (not only TCP/IP connections), with a different service to offer (aliases, groups, autoreply and new actually unexisting services), you may opt for sendmail. One reason because Apple bought NeXT was because they offer products for Fortune 500. Apple too has a "pro" servers line : they run under AIX (IBM Unix), no ? Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: kpc@enteract.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I Network Colorstation to Power Mac via ethernet? Date: 3 Jan 1997 02:36:05 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <5ahral$g8t@eve.enteract.com> References: <32C8AE54.7ED8@cts.com> You can use TCP/IP and ethernet to move files around pretty easily. Log into the Next from the Mac with Fetch, for example, or run NetPresenze on the Mac. (assuming you have IP addressing on both ends.) Your Zip disks will also mount locally on black hardware (using the Zip drive, of course). FWIW, I am compiling a Next-Mac hardware comparison/connectivitiy FAQ to document some of the questions that have bubbled up in the wake of the merger. Critiques are also welcome. see: http://www.enteract.com/~diffwerk/next-mac-faq.html -Kevin Coffee In How do I Network Colorstation to Power Mac via ethernet? comp.sys.next.software <ArticleDisplayer: 0xb4d04> writes, > What is required to network my still cool but aging Turbo color > Nextstation (3.2) to my new screaming fast Power Computing Powertower > Pro 180? I hear it is pretty easy with ethernet. Any tips, comments, > instructions or guidence would be helpful!!!! I am not a complete > networking novice but have no experience getting a Slab to talk to a > Mac. > This may save me from getting a zip drive for the Next to transfer > large graphics files back and forth. > > Mac and Next together atlast..........should have happened years > ago........ > love them both > > E-mail me or post in the newsgroup. > > Thanks > Paul Naton > pnatona@cts.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701021857.KAA22618@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199701020019.BAA24698@sally.ifm.uni-kiel.de> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 13:57:26 -0500 Subject: ZSH 3.0.2 now works GREAT on NeXTSTEP!!!! References: <199701020019.BAA24698@sally.ifm.uni-kiel.de> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Thanks to the ZSH team, the necessary changes have been made and ZSH 3.0.2 now works fantastically with NeXTStep on my 68040/25MHz mono machine. If there is sufficient interest I will put together a QuadFat distribution for NeXTStep. Email me if you're interested. Thanks to Wolfgang Hukriede <whukriede@ifm.uni-kiel.de> who discovered the fix, and Zoltan Hidvegi <hzoli@cs.elte.hu> who repacked 3.0.2 to include the necessary fix. ZSH can be found here: HUNGARY ftp://ftp.cs.elte.hu/pub/zsh/ -- primary site http://www.cs.elte.hu/pub/zsh/ -- the same archive via http ftp://ftp.kfki.hu/pub/packages/zsh/ Australia * ftp://ftp.ips.oz.au/pub/packages/zsh/ Finland ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/shells/zsh/ France ftp://ftp.cenatls.cena.dgac.fr/pub/shells/zsh/ Germany ftp://ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de/pub/unix/shells/zsh/ ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pub/unix/shells/zsh/ ftp://ftp.gmd.de/packages/zsh/ Japan ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/mirror/zsh/ ftp://shirakaba.nis.co.jp/pub/shells/zsh/ Norway ftp://ftp.uit.no/pub/unix/shells/zsh/ Slovenia ftp://ftp.siol.net/pub/unix/shells/zsh/ Sweden ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/unix/zsh/ UK ftp://ftp.net.lut.ac.uk/zsh/ USA ftp://ftp.math.gatech.edu/pub/zsh/ ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/packages/shells/zsh/ * ftp://ftp.sterling.com/zsh/ * ftp://ftp.rge.com/pub/shells/zsh/ The sites marked with a star (*) may mirror ftp.math.gatech.edu instead of the primary site. Life is good! TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: "Derek Lin" <dereklin@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 3 Jan 1997 02:22:16 GMT Organization: Workgroup Message-ID: <01bbf91d$ced2a620$c1ca95ce@aventar> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <5ahj2b$clq@news4.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: > Well, think about it...there may be 1/1000th or 1/10,000th the > number of developers under NeXTSTEP. They are individually more > productive as the HUGE wealth of free/shareware will attest. Okay, I have thought about about it. I have also purchased all the NeXTstep shareware CD-ROMs. I still don't see the HUGE wealth you alluded to. Maybe Internet User has a point there. > What a load of poop. VB has resulted in a lot of stuff b/c it's > rammed down people's throats. Much like C++. Delphi is FULL OOP > and is a fantastic environment. I'd put it 2nd after NeXT's tools. You're right. Delphi is full OOP, not quasi-OOP as Internet User seems to imply. I disagree with you though about VB. I play with it and I find it very useful for creating customized system automation routines. Nobody rammed it down my throat; it's a nice product, period. And I suspect other Visual Basic users also didn't have VB rammed down their throats by Microsoft. Which forces me to conclude that you just may be full of pOOP as well. Cheers.
From: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Chinese system. Date: 3 Jan 1997 03:57:11 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com> Hi! I want to access Chinese web page. Does anyone know where to get Chinese system on NeXT. Do we have Chinese system on NeXT? Any information. Thanks. Edward.
From: dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:53:13 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ai3a2$r4p@camel5.mindspring.com> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: >dleblanc@mindspring.com (David LeBlanc) wrote: >>The one I like the most is the one where it tries to contact your >>identd, so your identd tells it to execute commands like mailing >>/etc/passwd to the postmaster... >>Then there is your choice of buffer overflows and versions. >>I think the one you're talking about is fairly old, and involves the >>uudecode/uuencode aliases. >Yes, sendmail is complex. >It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it >can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it is now >one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able to find >still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will be hard to >find bugs. I don't think so. Some very old bugs just cropped back up again in very recent versions. The fact is that all but the most recent are known to be vulnerable to attacks, both external and internal. I believe all versions prior to 8.7 are considered vulnerable to a number of different attacks, and several of the 8.7 and later series have problems. There is a new version nearly every month as new bugs are discovered. David LeBlanc |Why would you want to have your desktop user, dleblanc@mindspring.com |your mere mortals, messing around with a 32-bit |minicomputer-class computing environment? |Scott McNealy
From: "Gregory H. Anderson" <greg@afs.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 00:43:57 -0500 Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <32CC9C9D.7298@afs.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <5ahj2b$clq@news4.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > > Internet User <netuser@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Apple worshippers will probably point to NeXT IB (Interface > >> Builder) and lavish praise upon it and assert how there's nothing > >> like it in the known universe. So riddle me this: if IB is as > >> great as Steve Jobs claims, and makes programmers 10 to > > 50 times more productive, then where are the flood of NeXTstep > > applications? Taking Jobs words at face value, one should expect > > 10 to 50 times the software that NeXTstep's tiny marketshare can > > otherwise claim. That ain't the case, guys. > > Well, think about it...there may be 1/1000th or 1/10,000th the > number of developers under NeXTSTEP. They are individually more > productive as the HUGE wealth of free/shareware will attest. But > they cannot make up for the huge difference in manpower on other > platforms. For much the same reason, ms platforms have a TON more > software. As one of those precious few developers making shrink-wrapped NeXT apps, I'll chime in with the real issue. The original poster is confusing MCCA (mission critical custom apps) and commercial apps. From a developer perspective, MCCA _creates_ demand (brings new users to the platform), whereas commercial apps can only _feed_ demand. No one is going to switch to a new platform just because it has a better word processor. There is a substantial development advantage for corporate applications which perform specific jobs, and that is where NEXTSTEP has always told the best story. Since the app is fully funded as a private project for a very limited audience, it is only in competition with other development alternatives on that platform. Commercial apps, on the other hand, must commit to a competitive feature set, the need for continuous enhancement, customer service, marketing costs, and end-user materials. A lot of these are "sunk costs" which must be amortized over a user population. Any smart businessman is going to calculate the break-even user count and decide whether that goal is attainable given the total users committed to the platform. My best guess is that no more than 100,000 copies of NEXTSTEP were ever sold on all hardware platforms combined. Not all of those went to end users, and many fell out of use over the period. Even if you developed a killer app that could capture 25% of that market, you weren't going to sell more than 20,000 copies. Once it became apparent about two years ago that the platofrm was never oing to make it to the mainstream (NeXT pretty much admitted that through its positioning), you couldn't even justify "betting on the come." To the best of my knowledge, only one developer ever cracked the 5-figure license mark for any application. Now here's the key point. I have two pretty good, mid-line DTP and WP applications. I see a market which is larger by several orders of magnitude. Darn right I'm gonna plunge right in and add all those new features I've been itching to build. And you know what? I'm gonna get it out the door at a pace that would make a grown man weep and children raise their arms to the sky in wonderment. THAT'S where the NEXTSTEP development advantage will pay off for me. Once others see this same advantage, they will start building some of the software that has been missing on Mac. If you don't feel like everything will turn into a two-year project, you can afford to take some risks on wacky new ideas and feed new momentum to a market. You can also turn around new version much more quickly. That's what I think all you old-timers have to look forward to. > > > I'm not knocking IB. I do like it. I also appreciate the nice > > work that's been done with it, most notably Improv, Doom and > > Quake. But the real deal that makes programmers more productive > > turns out not to be OOP (Object-Oriented Programming) like IB, > > but rather quasi-OOP componentware like VB (Visual Basic). Just > > take a look at any shareware archive and note the sheer quantity > > of software that's been done with VB or Delphi. That's what real > > programmer productivity looks like. > > What a load of poop. VB has resulted in a lot of stuff b/c it's > rammed down people's throats. Much like C++. Delphi is FULL OOP > and is a fantastic environment. I'd put it 2nd after NeXT's tools. As someone who evaluated them all, went with Delphi, and never regretted it for a minute, I concur wholeheartedly with John. BTW, Delphi is NOT quasi-OOP, it is full OOP of a type that is only achieved by NEXTSTEP in my experience. NEVER mention it in the same sentence with VB. Greg
From: <pjbrew@ix.netcom.com> (Phil Brewster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 23:44:37 -0700 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <-0201972344370001@slc-ut1-21.ix.netcom.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> In article <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com>, dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp wrote: > I'm currently using Windows NT Workstation (4.0). After evaluating > hundreds of applications, I have found several that are of the > "essential" variety. For me to use the NeXT system, I would need > replacements for all or most of these. > > Does NeXTStep currently have good applications of the following kinds? > > (1) Offline news readers for dialup accounts > Prime examples: Forte Agent, Gravity, MS Internet News > > (2) Offline Web agents (for checking sites automatically and > downloading changes for offline viewing) > Prime examples: Tierra Highlights, Surfbot, Teleport Pro > > (3) File synchronization utilities (for reflecting changes onto a > backup MO drive) > > (4) POP email clients that handle multiple accounts in one interface, > and are able to handle Japanese > > (5) Up-to-date Web browser support > > (6) Wordprocessing software compatible with MS Word 6.0 or later > > (7) Spreadsheet software comparable to MS Excel > > In addition, the system should have the ability to dial up > automatically to my Internet providers on demand, as I now do with > RAS. > > That's my basic list of requirements. Without these, I can see no > reason for me to switch from NT 4.0, which runs stably on my 486-based > system. (By stable, I mean it has never crashed once, and is running > the above programs 24 hours a day.) On the other hand, if I can get > similar applications for NeXTStep, and the OS itself becomes more > affordable, and the user interface is as advanced as people claim, and > it has other advantages over NT 4.0, it might be worth a look. If not, > what would be the point?? > ------ > John De Hoog > dehoog@super.zippo.com I don't know much about the current availability of apps on NeXTStep, though somebody else in this thread has already indicated that it's not currently at such a point that switching from NT with a specific set of key apps in mind today would make much sense. -- Maybe others will be able to fill in some of the specific gaps with things that are available on NeXTStep today, but it will likely be the case that not everything on the list is there yet. Nor would I find this all that surprising, given NeXTStep's rather insulated existence in the market up until now. The question is, whether more apps will become available in the next year, so that by the time the NeXTstep OS is more affordable one might reasonably (and comfortably) consider switching. And it's probably still early to say. Mac users will face similar issues, needless to say, and the question as to when the critical mass of key apps has been reached on the new OS will be answered differently in almost every case. Cheers, -- Phil Brewster <pjbrew@ix.netcom.com> "[NT Server] received the fewest 'very good' votes for ease of use by end users, and users ranked Microsoft least favorably of all the companies in terms of support staff responsiveness. Also, NT tied [...] in lowest score for performance, and survey respondents gave NT the fewest 'very good' votes for reliability. [...] Despite the apparent shortcomings of NT, more NT users said they would recommend NT to other corporate buyers than did users of any other [...] system." ("Computerworld", November 4, 1996, p. 104) Sounds more like corporate sabotage to me.... ;-)
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 02:02:13 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Message-ID: <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar>, "Derek Lin" <dereklin@ix.netcom.com> wrote: €In terms of interface, the NeXT is pretty good, but still has shortcomings. €For instance, its menu system, while impressive to technonerds, really €takes up too much screen real estate. How more obvious can you get? This statement is the key to 90% of Mac UI vs. NeXTStep UI that have been the hott topic of discussion on this and other related ngs. If there is a way to measure it: How many 'regular folks' use MacOS compared to NeXTStep? There's a larger market for the 'regular folks' then there are with the 'technonerds.' I thought the computer business was all about sales. €It's also by default where a tool bar €for a graphics app (like Corel, Illustrator, Photoshop, Freehand, and many €others) is likely to be. Something that the NeXT folks forget about. A program that might be elegant under NeXTStep UI maybe just awful under MacOS UI. For example: I use Emagic's LOGIC Audio MIDI/Audio sequencer. A NeXT-style menu and left-sided window scrolls would kill LOGIC's UI. LOGIC just wasn't designed this way. €It would be best to retain the NeXT menu's black €3D looks, Naw...looks like black Win95/NT. I like the Copland default look. € as well as its tear-off capability, but make it horizontal like a €self-respecting Mac menu at the top of the screen. The right mouse button €(yes, Virginia, future Macs ought to have 2 buttons) can behave as it does €in NeXTstep: make a temporary copy of the menu appear wherever it is €clicked. This elegantly solves the big-screen problem, where most users €have to travel a long way to get to the top of the screen, just to traverse €the menu tree. Hey! Just like an Amiga! =) €I agree that NeXTstep won't make Macs miles ahead of PCs, and your comment €about IB is right on. However, I remain hopeful that this new OS strategy €will revitalize the Macintosh world in a way that Apple alone has failed to €do. Only if they keep it 'Mac.' -- GO Mac GO!!!
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 3 Jan 1997 07:39:10 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-f-69.usc.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aid2u$89@usc.edu> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> <5ai3a2$r4p@camel5.mindspring.com> Cc: dleblanc@mindspring.com In <5ai3a2$r4p@camel5.mindspring.com> David LeBlanc wrote: > I don't think so. Some very old bugs just cropped back up again in > very recent versions. The fact is that all but the most recent are > known to be vulnerable to attacks, both external and internal. I > believe all versions prior to 8.7 are considered vulnerable to a > number of different attacks, and several of the 8.7 and later series > have problems. There is a new version nearly every month as new bugs > are discovered. I think that qmail might be offering something more secure. At least it seems to... -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: mattj@invisix.com Subject: VWbot on NeXT Message-ID: <137cd$13213.3d1@news.goldengate.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 07:50:19 GMT Hey there, Has anyone been able to get the VWbot running on NEXTSTEP? (http://vancouver-webpages.com/VWbot/) It's quite an interesting one. Thanks for any info... -- MATT | mailto:mattj@invisix.com NeXTMail Ok jurcich | http://www.invisix.com Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 24MB, 250MB, NEC XP21, NEXTSTEP 3.2 Novell Netware 3.12-10 Server, 486DX2-66, 240MB, 8MB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701022342.SAA01608@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 18:42:40 -0500 Subject: uninstalling Emacs.app Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Yes I realize this is like urinating on the altar to some of you, but I'm about to run out of diskspace and my wallet is still suffering post-Christmas withdrawl. There's no .pkg file. Anyone know how to clean it all out? sorry to offend TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: system deteriorate Date: 3 Jan 1997 08:37:09 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5aigfl$sc1@transfer.stratus.com> Hi! I often use OmniWeb to access internet or use ImageViewer to view some jpeg files. But as I use these software, my disk space keep on decreasing, even if I quit from these program, I can't retrieve those disk space. In fact, when I use many program at the same time, the swapfile keep on growing up. For example, in the beginning, I have 100MB disk space on disk. Often I viewed some jpeg files, I find that my disk space is reduced to 50MB. My PC has 32MB memory, I think it should be enough for several programs to run simultaneously. I don't like this, because I have to reboot my PC to clean up the swapfile. Anyone can tell me is there any way to retrieve my disk space without reboot the system. Maybe this is the attribute of NeXT? Edward.
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 3 Jan 1997 08:42:28 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> In-Reply-To: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> On 01/01/97, John De Hoog wrote: >I'm currently using Windows NT Workstation (4.0). After evaluating >hundreds of applications, I have found several that are of the >"essential" variety. For me to use the NeXT system, I would need >replacements for all or most of these. >Does NeXTStep currently have good applications of the following kinds? Everyone got off on flaming tangents and noone answered the origina question. >(1) Offline news readers for dialup accounts >Prime examples: Forte Agent, Gravity, MS Internet News There are a variety of good NNTP news readers... NewsFlash (www.wolfware.com) (which I wrote btw) and Radical News are commercial and Alexandra is free. Any of these can be made into an "offline" reader using the Personal-INN package for instance to set up a local NNTP server. >(2) Offline Web agents (for checking sites automatically and >downloading changes for offline viewing) >Prime examples: Tierra Highlights, Surfbot, Teleport Pro I believe you can use Apache to do this but have never done it. >(3) File synchronization utilities (for reflecting changes onto a >backup MO drive) No. There is an excellent tape backup program called Safety-Net though but nothing that works to keep files on a removable drive synchronized. (Of course you could just set up a cron job to run every hour, day, whatever to do this but that's rather kludgy.) >(4) POP email clients that handle multiple accounts in one interface, There's a great pop client PopOver that will do this. >and are able to handle Japanese I dunno about this but why should the POP client have to understand Japanese??? The POP protocol just uses a standard 7/8 bit character set. Interpretting the contents of the messages is up to the mail reader which is a separate app. And yes as far as I know Mail.app can handle Japanese just fine. >(5) Up-to-date Web browser support OmniWeb (www.omnigroup.com) is about the most up to date and supports HTML 3.2 fairly completely but does not handle plug-ins or some of the more esoteric Netscapisms. NetSurfer is the other major competitor. There have been persistent rumors of an OpenStep NetScape port. >(6) Wordprocessing software compatible with MS Word 6.0 or later No. There are a couple of decent word processors (none of which I've used) but nothing with all the features of MS Word. >(7) Spreadsheet software comparable to MS Excel There are a variety of spreadsheets but I'm not familiar with any of them. >In addition, the system should have the ability to dial up >automatically to my Internet providers on demand, as I now do with >RAS. The PPP package can be configured to do this with a bit of work. >On the other hand, if I can get >similar applications for NeXTStep, and the OS itself becomes more >affordable, and the user interface is as advanced as people claim, and >it has other advantages over NT 4.0, it might be worth a look. If not, >what would be the point?? If you're interested in devloping OpenStep applications but don't want to give up your NT apps you can alwasy run OpenStep for NT which gives you all the OpenStep API running on top of NT. >------ >John De Hoog >dehoog@super.zippo.com > -- __________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf - NeXTStep/OpenStep Developer Mail: cwolf@wolfware.com Web: http://www.wolfware.com/cwolf/cwolf.shtml __________________________________________________
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:02:48 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E3FLGp.D1L@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> In article <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) writes: > I'm currently using Windows NT Workstation (4.0). After evaluating > hundreds of applications, I have found several that are of the > "essential" variety. For me to use the NeXT system, I would need > replacements for all or most of these. > > Does NeXTStep currently have good applications of the following kinds? > > (1) Offline news readers for dialup accounts > Prime examples: Forte Agent, Gravity, MS Internet News These don't make sense under Unix. You set up a news feed, which moves the news from your provider to you machine. You can then point you online reader at your own local server just as if it was the one at your provider (but no phone bills). > (2) Offline Web agents (for checking sites automatically and > downloading changes for offline viewing) > Prime examples: Tierra Highlights, Surfbot, Teleport Pro They exist but I don't know if they're available publically. (webcrawler springs to mind!) > (3) File synchronization utilities (for reflecting changes onto a > backup MO drive) dump? Safetynet. A five line shellscript? > (4) POP email clients that handle multiple accounts in one interface, > and are able to handle Japanese NeXTStep kanji handles Japanese for all apps. Popover (never used it) See (1) > (5) Up-to-date Web browser support Omniweb is pretty good, but no Java. > (6) Wordprocessing software compatible with MS Word 6.0 or later Framemaker Wordperfect Writeup Pasteup Pages Cedarword Which of these meets your needs depends on what you mean be "compatable". Personally I prefer TeX > (7) Spreadsheet software comparable to MS Excel Improv (killer app!) Wingz About five others I don't remember. Some of these may not be exactly what you wanted, but they indicate where NeXTStep is NOW. Exactly where MacStep will be where it ships is another matter. $an
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: reba999@ucl.ac.uk (Michael Binks) Subject: Speech recognition/transcription Sender: news@ucl.ac.uk (Usenet News System) Message-ID: <1997010314080110218@dialup-1.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:08:01 GMT Organization: UCL Is there any Speech recognition/transcription software available for NEXTStep ? I am a longstanding Mac user, about to upgrade my machine. I badly need speech to text software and I am not concerned about a requirement for discontinuous speech. Apple's offerings seem rudimentary and I have not heard about significant forthcoming developments. PowerSecretary for the Mac is reportedly reliable and efficient, but grossly overpriced for the full (medical) version. IBM's offerings in this area are impressive. Is my new PC going to have to be Wintel / OS-2 ? Or is there some hope from the NEXT arena ? -- Michael Binks Work: 0171 636 8333 Ext 3204 Department of Immunology Home: 0171 278 6624 University College London Fax: 0171 636 5481
From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Why is NeXT shipping quad-fat Openstep CD's? Date: 3 Jan 1997 13:59:52 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <5aj3co$t81@leonie.object-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Okay, we all know that HP-PA support was dropped with the introduction of OPENSTEP. How do we know? NeXT told us, the boxes and CDs say so, Installer says so etc. Given all this, could somebody explain to my why the latest Developer CD (OPENSTEP Developer 4.1 for Mach) is completely quad-fat? I mean, not only the applications (if that were not enough!) but also all the libraries and frameworks! Is this the last act of NeXT's marketing to tease (torture?) HP owners? puzzled erik -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Dörnenburg OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft für Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH http://www.object-factory.com
From: awdorn@primenet.com (Alexander W. Dorn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "power" pc chips can eat s*** Date: 3 Jan 1997 10:13:07 -0700 Organization: Primenet Message-ID: <5ajen3$s8t@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <5ah1a8$hiq@news.Hawaii.Edu> <852261978mnewsHunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk> Hunky@cirrus.prestel.co.uk (Henry Blackman) wrote: >According to the latest issue of Amiga Format (Future Publishing UK) if Quikpak purchase Amiga >Technologies (please, please), their new version of Amiga will be DEC Alpha and low end machines will >continue to run on 680x0 series (they say 070, 080... - but Motorola have PUBLICALLY said no new 0x0 >series processors). >What's going on here? Why DEC Alpha, when the rest of the Amiga community are moving toward PowerPC; >which are cheaper; AND would enable Quikpak to release lower end machines based on RISC technology as >well as high end machines based on the SAME processors THUS enabling users/developers to have the >same applications running on their machines (take a breath...). >Henry. Consider This. There is talk (and as far as I know, it is only talk) that Microsoft is no longer going to support non-intel processors with WinNT. Then consider that most of the high-end graphics houses that used Amiga-based software have shifted to Alpha-based machines, and are now running WinNT-based versions of the formerly Amiga software (such as Lightwave). Might it be possible that the people at Quikpak do not see themselves as being able to compete with the Wintel machines in the market, as they do not have the resources that Microsoft has, and so they have looked for another market they can focus on and make a tidy profit in? Also remember, this does not mean that there will be no PowerAmiga, but that, perhaps, Quikpak do not see a profit in it, and perhaps are willing to let others (aka PIOS and Phase5) deal with this mid-range type of machine. If a standard AmigaOS is put out there, or a standard NonAmiga OS that will run on Amigas as well as these other machines, then what difference does it make in exactly who builds the machine? Just think, a DEC Alpha machine that can not only out-render a current Amiga (or PC), but can also run the Video Flyer! Just a thought!
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple Myths/Facts Message-ID: <8CF61EB.09B8000020.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:11:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Debunking the Apple-NeXT myths 1/02/97 Chicago Sun-Times On Dec. 20, Apple Computer announced its intention to purchase NeXT Software Inc. in a friendly acquisition for $400 million ($350 million in cash and $50 million in assumed debt). As part of the agreement, Steve Jobs, chairman and CEO of NeXT Software, will return to Apple - the company he co- founded in 1976 with Stephen Wozniak - reporting to Gilbert F. Amelio, Apple's chairman and CEO, as a special consultant and "visionary." Pretty straightforward announcement, don't you think? Not to some, apparently. It's time now to let the hot air cool down by flushing it with some cold, hard facts. Let me debunk the NeXT/Apple myths floating around the ether. MYTH 1: Apple is discontinuing the sale of Macintosh personal computers in favor of NeXT PCs, leaving Mac owners out in the cold. Reality: NeXT does not make hardware and hasn't for years. Apple's buyout of NeXT was predicated on two things: (1) getting its hands on NeXTStep, the NeXT operating system that runs on a variety of computers, and (2) bringing back to Apple talented NeXT executives and engineers needed to help create the NeXT Mac OS. Apple will continue to sell Macintosh hardware running the System 7.x operating system and eventually the NeXT Mac OS as it is developed during 1997. MYTH 2: Current Apple products won't support the NeXT Mac OS. Reality: "Products we are shipping today we will provide support for," Apple Chief Technical Officer Ellen Hancock says. MYTH 3: Apple is dumping the Finder (its easy-to-use interface of windows, icons and a mouse pointer) for the jazzy NeXTStep user interface (UI) that is based on the UNIX OS. Reality: The NeXT Mac OS currently exists only in the fertile imaginations of some Apple and NeXT engineers. Whether that OS offers a Finderlike UI or a NeXTSteplike UI has yet to be decided. The strategic Apple plan, however, is to offer a UI that can be made to look and work like the Finder or NeXTStep. This change already had been in the works with Apple's development of Copland - the internally developed Mac OS that fizzled after six years of wasted development effort - and its Appearance Manager. MYTH 4: Existing Mac software will not work with the NeXT Mac operating system. Reality: How would we know this, when the NeXT Mac OS does not yet exist? In any case, both Hancock and Jobs have stated that it's a requirement that any future OS run Mac applications. Apple developers have been told exactly the same thing. So yes, the NeXT Mac OS will run current Mac applications, most likely using a kind of fast emulation, just as Apple has provided with System 7.x on native PowerMacs for running pre-PowerMac software. MYTH 5: Apple's future OS development work will center on NeXT, rather than System 7.x. Reality: This is hardly hot news. Apple future OS development work (with Copland) already has been centered on Mac OS 8 rather than System 7.x. And this has been the case for at least three years. Of course Apple is concentrating on NeXTStep. That's why they bought it. NeXTStep will form the basis of the NeXT Mac OS, along with system services from System 7.x that provide the "Mac user experience." Apple abandoned plans to continue development on Copland back in August, and reminded developers of this fact in October, so this is hardly a "shocking change." MYTH 6: the NeXT Mac OS will not run at all on existing Macs running the Motorola 680x0 line of CPUs. Reality: Neither would have Copland. Apple announced this fact about two years ago. And considering that Apple is selling PowerMacs at the rate of more than 4 million per year, the installed base of Macs already is making the switch to PowerMacs. More than half of all the Macs currently in use are PowerMacs, so this is really a non-issue. Consider also that Apple will continue to tweak and refine System 7.x (System 7.6 will ship in January and 7.7 in July) in a series of twice-yearly updates, so that it expects to sell System 7.x for as long as 10 years, thus protecting the installed base of Macs that won't be able to run the NeXT Mac OS. Also note that the current NeXTStep will run on 680x0 CPUs, as well as Intel CPUs - which means Apple could make the NeXT Mac OS run on both if it desired (I suspect that an Intel version of the NeXT Mac OS is a lock, by the way). Furthermore, according to Apple's Hancock, "System 7 upgrades will continue into 1998 and (beyond) until current customers have migrated to the new OS." Why NeXT? Apple, of course, has been searching for a new Mac OS for six years now, as the Copland project painfully points out. With Apple developers being promised a new, modern Mac OS at the last three annual World Wide Developer's Conferences, developers were starting to leave the Mac fold in droves. And customers, who loved the Mac UI and Mac way of working, were tiring of an operating system missing many of the modern underpinnings (like protected memory and preemptive multitasking) that Windows 95 has had from the get-go and that help computers run with fewer annoying crashes. As a result of Apple's OS woes, one of Hancock's first chores as the new Apple chief technical officer (she came on board in July) was to assess just how far Copland was from any sort of completion. "Copland was clearly not going to happen," Hancock told me, "so we needed something that would provide us with a modern OS." This set in motion an Apple OS evaluation team, chaired by Hancock, whose job it was to find the basis for that new Mac OS. Hancock and her team looked at NeXT, Sun Microsystems' Sun OS and Solaris, IBM's AIX, and Be Inc. 's upstart Be OS. "We picked Plan A instead of Plan B," Apple CEO Gil Amelio wisecracked in a reference to the Be OS, which was reportedly Apple's main OS alternative. "NeXT was superior technology by a significant amount," he said. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 3 Jan 1997 17:52:56 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5ajh1o$8k@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <5ahj2b$clq@news4.digex.net> <32CC9C9D.7298@afs.com> In-Reply-To: <32CC9C9D.7298@afs.com> On 01/03/97, "Gregory H. Anderson" wrote: > Now here's the key point. I have two pretty good, mid-line DTP and WP > applications. I see a market which is larger by several orders of > magnitude. Darn right I'm gonna plunge right in and add all those new > features I've been itching to build. And you know what? I'm gonna get it > out the door at a pace that would make a grown man weep and children > raise their arms to the sky in wonderment. THAT'S where the NEXTSTEP > development advantage will pay off for me. > Here's something else Greg posted on the subject a while back (maybe it'll save him some typing soon? :-) Best wishes, mmalc. >Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy >From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson)>Subject: Re: The REAL future operating systems >Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:04:28 GMT [..] The issue is not whether WriteUp is equivalent to MS-Word, and you know it. That's a straw man. WriteUp is a 1.0 product; Word is at version 6.0. The real issue is: If you set out to build the product described by WriteUp's design specification in OS/2, could you accomplish the job is anything approaching only 5 man-years of programming effort (documented in my earlier post)? Or to state the corollary: By the time WriteUp reaches a version that contains as many features as MS-Word, will as much time have been expended? I say no on both counts. I have developed sophisticated, real-time trading systems for some of the largest firms on Wall Street, on several platforms, for more than a decade, and on NEXTSTEP for the last 3. My NS implementation won a juried award from authorities no less distinguished than the OMG and ComputerWorld magazine at last year's ObjectWorld conference. We _published_ metrics and benchmarks describing the improvements my firm has experienced in software engineering process, time to market, maintenance requirements, and customer benefits with NEXTSTEP. In short, I know whereof I speak. And in my humble, _informed_ opinion, nothing currently available beats NEXTSTEP. AFS delivers trading software on more than NEXTSTEP, so you can't paint me with the ever-popular "NeXT fanatic" brush you drag out whenever you can't marshall a cogent counter-argument. My only criteria for picking a deployment OS is whether it meets minimum internally-established standards for the quality of its development tools. If you have really been reading this group for two years, you know I have been among the first to complain when NeXT acts boneheaded, and I have spoken up for the rights of all, including virulent critics, to be heard here. In fact, in a famous post that no one at NeXT will ever let me forget, I publicly predicted last March that NeXT would fail by the end of 1993 unless it found partners like HP and Sun. My credentials as a realist are sound. [..] --
From: gordonhk@speednet.net (Gordon Cheung) Newsgroups: comp.mail.list-admin.software,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.backoffice,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.compatibility,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.services,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.software-eng,comp.software.config-mgmt,comp.software.international,comp.software.licensing,comp.software.measurement,comp.software.testing,comp.sys.amiga.software.pirate,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need Fashion design software Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 13:16:41 GMT Organization: Home Message-ID: <5agc37$htn@sn2.speednet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Thanks for reading. I looking for some Fashion design software. Please kindly reply by my e-mail. Thanks again. Best regards, Gordon HK My E-mail is: gordonhk@speednet.net
From: ici@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp (Toshinao Ishii) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXFax which modems? Date: 03 Jan 1997 14:50:20 GMT Organization: 3Web internet service Message-ID: <ICI.97Jan3235020@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp> References: <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> In-reply-to: dchan@dchan.earthlink.net's message of 28 Dec 1996 21:32:25 GMT In article <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> dchan@dchan.earthlink.net (Derek Chan) writes: > I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. The modem has > to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting the US Robotics > V.Everything but, have heard that US Robitics modems don't work with NXFax (I > couldn't get a 28.8 USR Sportster to work but, maybe the V.Everything will > work). Can anyone recommend anything? Don't forget to use the latest serial driver with NXFax. In my case with Microcom V.34ESII, the old (came with CDROM) makes the system hang. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* $B@P0f=SD>(B Toshinao Ishii email: ici@osk.threewebnet.or.jp (NeXTMail/MIME Welcome)
From: mike@raroc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Translating WP for Next to MS Word Date: 3 Jan 1997 19:48:20 GMT Organization: A Corporation who shall Remain Nameless Distribution: World Message-ID: <5ajnq4$bhp@cgs1.bankamerica.com> References: <5ab7ec$rl1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> In article <5ab7ec$rl1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> marron@tornado.shands.ufl.edu (John Marron) writes: > I don't know if this is an appropriate group for this question, > but if not I appologize in advance. > Myt office has just switched from using NeXT workstations to > using PCs running windows 95. MS word and Windows seem to be unable > to open any of our old Woerd Perfect for Next files, and I was wondering > if anyone had any suggestions as to how we can access our old files? > Windows won't even open the files using Note/Wordpad, and it seems that > we can't even convert the files to plain text. > Any adivce would be greatly appreciated. > Try saving to RTF, ASCII or Generic format. You'll lose a lot of the formatting and images but the text should be preserved.
From: mike@raroc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Translating WP for Next to MS Word Date: 3 Jan 1997 19:46:11 GMT Organization: A Corporation who shall Remain Nameless Distribution: World Message-ID: <5ajnm3$ap1@cgs1.bankamerica.com> References: <5ab7ec$rl1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> In article <5ab7ec$rl1@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> marron@tornado.shands.ufl.edu (John Marron) writes: > I don't know if this is an appropriate group for this question, > but if not I appologize in advance. > Myt office has just switched from using NeXT workstations to > using PCs running windows 95. MS word and Windows seem to be unable > to open any of our old Woerd Perfect for Next files, and I was wondering > if anyone had any suggestions as to how we can access our old files? > Windows won't even open the files using Note/Wordpad, and it seems that > we can't even convert the files to plain text. > Any adivce would be greatly appreciated. > > John Marron > Dept of Pediatrics > University of Florida > marron@tornado.shands.ufl.edu
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5ajp8r$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Date: 3 Jan 1997 21:09:34 GMT Control: cancel <5ajp8r$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Message-ID: <cancel.5ajp8r$i8i@newsfep3.sprintmail.com> Sender: tccs@sprintmail.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: CDRMEDIA Original Subject: CD-R Media for Sale
From: Edison Chung <edison@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: the process of making computer software Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 16:13:41 -0500 Organization: InterPacific Online Message-ID: <32CD7685.445D@ipoline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! All you computer experts ! Can anyone tell me or give me some information about the process of making a computer softwaer (games). For example, normally, things start with the concept design, then program design, graphic design, then there is the beta stage, alpha stage, then finally marketing. Any infromationn will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Edison C
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MacWorld 1997 conference Message-ID: <8CF636A.09B8000021.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 14:34:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 APPLE AT MACWORLD '97 IN SAN FRANCISCO When: January 7-10, 1997 Where: Apple Main Booth #3322 (North Hall Booth) and Developer Central #3077 (North Hall Booth), Moscone Center. APPLE BOOTHS -- APPLE CLUB Apple Computer, Inc., will demonstrate the Apple Club, Apple's first web- based subscription service. Apple Club offers customers a full-service software station, which allows easy downloads of Apple's latest performance- enhancing software updates, utilities, patches, and extensions; and exclusive discounts on products and services. The service marks Apples advent into the Internet commerce market. -- MAC OS 7.6 Apple Computer, Inc., will demonstrate the Mac OS 7.6, the first step in a strategy designed to deliver state-of-the art operating system functionality to customers on a regular, semiannual basis. The new operating system incorporates all the stability improvements instituted in System 7.5.5 Update and is simpler to load due to a new Installer. A new Extension Manager makes it easy to share extension information or turn off extensions. -- MAC OS RUNTIME FOR JAVA 1.0 Apple Computer, Inc., will announce the availability of of Mac OS Runtime for Java 1.0, an implementation of Sun Microsystems' Java virtual machine (VM) and run-time environment for Macintosh and Mac OS-compatible systems. Mac OS Runtime for Java, which includes a player that allows users to view Java applets and applications, in addition to a developer API's, highlights Apple's commitment to making the Mac OS a best-of-breed platform for developing and running Java software. -- KEYNOTE -- DR. GIL AMELIO, APPLE CHAIRMAN & CEO Dr. Amelio will discuss the most recent advances on the Mac platform, and offer a glimpse of the innovations and exciting new developments in the world of Macintosh. Apple's OS Strategy will be formally unveiled. Date: Tuesday, January 7, 1997 Time: 12:00 NOON - 1:15 p.m. Location: Yerba Buena Ballroom, Marriott Hotel -- KEYNOTE -- GUY KAWASAKI, APPLE FELLOW Join Apple Fellow Guy Kawasaki and a hand-picked panel of companies whose products have impressed him as the hottest, coolest, baddest new applications for the Mac. San Francisco Marriott Hotel, Yerba Buena Ballroom. Date: Tuesday, January 7, 1997 Time: 1:30 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. Location: Yerba Buena Ballroom, Marriott Hotel -- APPLE PRESS/ANALYST LUNCHEON & PRESS CONFERENCE A presentation by Ellen Hancock, Chief Technology Officer of Apple Computer, Inc. and Avie Tevanian, formally Vice President of Engineering at NeXT, Inc., at a press luncheon and Q&A session. Ellen Hancock will present Apple's operating system strategy including demonstrations of new products and services. Date: Tuesday, January 7, 1997 Time: 1:30 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. Location: SF Marriott Hotel -- APPLESHARE IP 5.0 Apple Computer will demonstrate the next version of AppleShare. This system will support Internet Protocol (IP) standards-based server software product that combines the best of traditional networking services with the hottest emerging Internet/intranet capabilities in one integrated package. AppleShare IP 5.0 combines traditional file and print with web, mail and File Transfer Protocol (FTP) services, giving users a one-stop solution to share information and resources. It is designed for small businesses or corporate users at the departmental and workgroup level. The utilization Of Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)--the industry standard for open networking--allows an AppleShare IP 5.0 server to be seamlessly integrated into an IP-based corporate intranet. CONFERENCE PARTICIPATION The official MacWorld Expo San Francisco 1997 webcast will be produced by Apple, January 7-10. This interactive showcase is available at http//live. apple.com and will feature live conference sessions, online chat forums with both Apple and industry leaders, hot new product releases, calendar of events, SpyCams, QuickTime clips, virtual reality and current news from the show floor. The kick-off of the webcast will have Apple CEO and chairman Dr. Gil Amelio's keynote address which will take place on Tuesday, January 7 at 12:00 pm. Necesarry tools, plug-ins and a schedule of events are currently available at the web site. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: bmunn@lighthouse.com (Beth Munn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: JOB: Lighthouse Design/Sun Microsystems Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:01:50 GMT Organization: Lighthouse Design, a Sun Microsystems business Message-ID: <5ajvke$d0c@nntp1.best.com> Lighthouse Design (a Sun Microsystems business) 2929 Campus Drive San Mateo, Ca. 94403 415.570.7736 http://www.lighthouse.com Founded in 1989, and acquired by Sun Microsystems in July of 1996, Lighthouse Design is one of the industry's most experienced developers of applications for purely object-oriented environments. Lighthouse offers the exciting and fast paced environment of a small company, while being able to provide "big company" benefits. JavaPlan, the newest product from Lighthouse Design is the industry's first enterprise devlopment platform for the analysis, design, and generation of sophisticated Java applications. Lighthouse is also the premiere provider of productivity applications for the OpenStep and Solaris environments. We are looking for individuals who can demonstrate excellence in Object-OrientedTechnology, GUI Design, Software Engineering Management, and Application Development. Your skills should include: Java, Objective-C, Smalltalk, C++, OpenStep, Solaris, Windows NT, RDBMS, OODBMS, and OO A/D, "off the shelf" application development, The following positions are currently open: JAVA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER APPLICATIONS ENGINEERS JAVAPLAN ENGINEERS SALES ENGINEERS TRAINERS/CURRICULUM DEVELOPERS OPERATIONS MANAGER .....and others!! Lighthouse is a leader in the Object-Oriented software industry, come and work with some of the best people in the business. For more informaiton please contact or send your resume to: Beth Munn 415-570-7736 bmunn@lighthouse.com For other opportunities, please see our web site at: www.lighthouse.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hhoff@schwaben.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT shipping quad-fat Openstep CD's? Message-ID: <E3GA0K.3L0@flop.schwaben.de> Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: NeXT Ghetto People feat. St.Eve References: <5aj3co$t81@leonie.object-factory.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:53:08 GMT Erik Doernenburg wrote: > > Okay, we all know that HP-PA support was dropped with the introduction of > OPENSTEP. How do we know? NeXT told us, the boxes and CDs say so, Installer > says so etc. Given all this, could somebody explain to my why the latest > Developer CD (OPENSTEP Developer 4.1 for Mach) is completely quad-fat? I > mean, not only the applications (if that were not enough!) but also all the > libraries and frameworks! Is this the last act of NeXT's marketing to tease > (torture?) HP owners? Hi Erik, It gets even better: check out the Ping O' Death page at http://www.sophist.demon.co.uk/ping/ and go to the NEXTSTEP entry. It clearly says something about HP/4.0 - and the entry has Dan Grillo's name under it. I bet that NeXT secretly did The Right Thing and continued development of 4.x on HP-PA, despite HP's brain-damaged attempts to stop it. Maybe some big customers were pissed off enough to pay for continued development in order to ease the 'transition' to NT. Now all they need to do is sell the thing.. Btw, happy new year to you and the people at Object Factory! :) Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | OPENSTEP? Yes, It Will.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701031407.GAA11915@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: da74b9ba5cd6e94facd716c279d34bb9 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 97 09:07:10 -0500 Subject: Re: ReInstalling NeXTStep 3.2 from scratch Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: da74b9ba5cd6e94facd716c279d34bb9 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Original Date: 02 Jan 1997 08:14:22 -0800 > Well, after screwing around for awhile, I thought I would ask what > the reccomended procedure is for completely wiping a disk, and > reinstalling NeXTStep 3.2 from scratch. Just boot the cdrom and go > ? Sure, that should work. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: jmh@intrepid.net (Little John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: cmsg cancel <5ahmgp$73c@news3.texas.net> Control: cancel <5ahmgp$73c@news3.texas.net> Date: 3 Jan 1997 22:29:28 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ak188$555@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: access to extended DOS partitions in NS/Intel Date: 3 Jan 1997 23:12:39 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I have 3 partitions on the HD of my NS/Intel machine: DOS/Win95, NS, and a 3rd partition what was previous Linux, but I just reformetted to be an extended DOS partition. How do I get the new extended DOS drive to be accessible in NS (e.g., Workspace, unix command line, ...) ? Or is this not possible even though NS is capable of reading the file system? That would seem silly since NS's fdisk understands that the partition is there. -Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Pfleger kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu http://www.stanford.edu/~kpfleger/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hablivilah@aol.com (Hablivilah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Who will port their Mac products to NextStep? Date: 4 Jan 1997 00:13:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970104001100.TAA00256@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <59hapn$frn@xmission.xmission.com> I have a next station that is 5 years old and the software is getting old, however it has mucho software that is very useful. Microsoft? NeXT has Mach based Unix OS NeXT has Objective C version of gcc NeXT has AppBuilder Adobe? NeXT has Display Post script and support external Post script printers or Dumb printer in which the central processor does the rasterization. WordPerfect? NeXT has it! Auto Desk. Should be a snap to port! Spread Sheets NeXT has Improv.
From: buckley4@mail.idt.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: From manipulation by Mail.app v118.2 (e2.0b5)? Date: 4 Jan 1997 01:48:38 GMT Organization: IDT Message-ID: <5akctm$cqk@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> I've recently switched ISP and reconfigured sendmail (8.8.4) with minimal perturbation but when someone quoted a message I had sent it read (generically) First.Last@Domain wrote... And the From: header read the same. Trouble is, this address is no good. My really address is username@mail.idt.net or username@Domain Domain in this case is ios.net and the preferred version is @mail.idt.net, althought the both work (as does username@idt.net). Mail.app did not do this before to my knowledge,and the problem may not lie in Mail.app, but when I send mail from the command line or with MailEnclosure.app, the correct From: line is given (and hopefully the correct authorship given in quotations scripts). In the Mail.app Expert preferences I specify "From: Paul Buckley" without an email address and leave that to "Reply-To:". Does anyone know where the username might be getting changed to First.Last? -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: buckley4@mail.idt.net Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________ I remember something about Bill Gates talking about "putting pins in his eyes" before he'd develop for NeXTSTEP. -somewhere on the Net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hhoff@schwaben.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: NeXT Ghetto People feat. St.Eve Message-ID: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:27:53 GMT I just noticed something that could be a serious bug in Quantrix 2.3, the latest version I'm aware of. If you: - start Quantrix - open a new model - press the little chart button left to the add/rename and Inspector buttons ..Quantrix will silently die. In fact, the program crashes *every* time you press this button! Further investigation yields: (gdb) r Starting program: /LocalApps/Office/Quantrix.app/Quantrix objc: PTemplateLeaf: does not recognize selector -_addChild:at: Program received signal 6, IOT trap 0x5006ec0 in kill () (gdb) bt #0 0x5006ec0 in kill () #1 0x5059aa2 in raise () #2 0x505a6b1 in abort () #3 0x503cd9c in _objc_error () #4 0x503a3d9 in -[Object error:] () #5 0x503a3b6 in -[Object doesNotRecognize:] () #6 0x503a427 in -[Object forward::] () #7 0x5006195 in _objc_msgForward () #8 0xeb72 in writeIndent () #9 0x343ef in Phighlight_rects () #10 0xb422 in QVL_firstValue () #11 0x523d7 in seriesParameterIsStacked () #12 0x26663 in polarOffset () #13 0x99a7d in NVGF_PSWInit () #14 0x99b41 in NVGF_PSWInit () #15 0x95739 in QVL_removeFirstValues () #16 0xa33c1 in _ppLoadFunctions () #17 0x49b30 in PLimitToRange () #18 0x1bcb6 in PMoveRangeOriginBy () #19 0xf74f3 in grabSubstring () #20 0x5032fcf in -[Object perform:with:] () #21 0x91625 in QVL_removeFirstValues () #22 0x15b4f5 in TTEditorFilter () #23 0x5032fcf in -[Object perform:with:] () #24 0x6062691 in -[Application tryToPerform:with:] () #25 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #26 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #27 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #28 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #29 0x6071888 in -[Window tryToPerform:with:] () #30 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #31 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #32 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #33 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #34 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #35 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #36 0x60626fe in -[Responder tryToPerform:with:] () #37 0x6062485 in tryToPerform () #38 0x606240c in -[Application sendAction:to:from:] () #39 0x6066950 in -[Control sendAction:to:] () #40 0x606e814 in -[Cell _sendActionFrom:] () #41 0x606994f in -[Cell trackMouse:inRect:ofView:] () #42 0x606ff1c in -[ButtonCell trackMouse:inRect:ofView:] () #43 0x606bf75 in -[Control mouseDown:] () #44 0x60636d5 in -[Window sendEvent:] () #45 0x6029ea1 in -[Application sendEvent:] () #46 0xf003e52 in -[EOApplication sendEvent:] () #47 0x603088f in -[Application run] () #48 0xa76f0 in main () #49 0xaf27f in start () I don't think my executable (x86) is wedged because I also installed a clean version which exhibits the same behaviour. Also, deleting all defaults and files from .AppInfo didn't make things better. Does anybody else get the above error? If so, is there a fix? Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | OPENSTEP? Yes, It Will.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701031419.GAA12524@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 00ed138cf07cd0feb5a55659dfc7dcb4 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 97 09:19:39 -0500 Subject: Re: system deteriorate Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 00ed138cf07cd0feb5a55659dfc7dcb4 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) Original Date: 3 Jan 1997 08:37:09 GMT > I don't like this, because I have to reboot my PC to clean up the > swapfile. Anyone can tell me is there any way to retrieve my disk > space without reboot the system. Maybe this is the attribute of > NeXT? Unfortunately there is no way to reclaim that swapsace. You can logout and login as 'exit' to restart the windowserver, but results will vary. The only assured way is to reboot. If you're interested, checkout the swapfile FAQ on my NeXT page TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701031953.LAA25298@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <9701031716.AA05276@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 97 14:53:16 -0500 Subject: Re: ZSH 3.0.2 now works GREAT on NeXTSTEP!!!! Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: <9701031716.AA05276@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Uli Zappe <uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Original Date: Fri, 3 Jan 97 18:16:48 +0100 Message-ID: <9701031716.AA05276@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> > Is there any significant advantage of this version compred to the > one that comes with NEXTSTEP? > > If so, a QuadFat distribution sure would be a nice thing. Yes, several changes have been made which make it nicer, especially if you do 'for' loops and whatnot from the commandline. The announcement is on its way, but I have put together a QuadFat tar.gz package. I've only tested it on m68k, but I've no reason to think it wouldn't work on other archs. URL: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/loginshells/zsh.3.0.2.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/loginshells/zsh.3.0.2.README also linked to ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/zsh.3.0.2.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/new_arrivals/zsh.3.0.2.README For those who care, the md5 for the tar.gz: 840f28eb1b2c9820d11d0c3d058703e2 zsh.3.0.2.NIHS.bs.tar.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 15748 staff 1381656 Jan 3 08:14 zsh.3.0.2.NIHS.bs.tar.gz Hope you like it. If you use it on non-m68k hardware, please let me know if it works OK (or if it doesn't!) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Date: 4 Jan 1997 05:21:56 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5akpdk$2r4@news.istar.ca> References: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> In-Reply-To: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> On 01/03/97, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: >Does anybody else get the above error? If so, is there >a fix? Yup, I have Quantrix for NeXT hardware and pressing the charting button always crashes the application. I don't know if there is a fix. It is a very obvious bug and it baffles me that the error exists. There seem to be crippling bugs in many of Lighthouse's products. Recently there have been numerous complaints concerning OpenWrite deleting the contents of user's home directories. I also have troubles with Concurrence saving corrupt files. -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -=- jsamson@istar.ca -=- NeXTmail & MIME welcome -============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul/ -=============- -===================================================================-
From: wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de (Wolfgang Keller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unnoficial Apple/Next FAQ 1.1 Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 06:43:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997010406432848192@peu1-29.m.eunet.de> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32BE991D.7AB7@sfbayrun.com> <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de> <5ahlbt$m93@rainbow.rmii.com> X-no-archive: yes John Stevens <josteven@rmi.net> wrote: > In article <1996123005394034493@peu1-41.m.eunet.de>, > Wolfgang Keller <wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de> wrote: > >P.S.: Real time capability is imho only relevant for OSes that are used > >in embedded controllers and other systems where security is relevant, > >but I don't think it is a major issue for any desktop (or server) OS for > >'standard' applications. > > Well, it is really nice, almost a requirement, for real-time gaming. Imho a computer basically should be an efficient tool for doing my work, but _surely not_ a toy. After all, that's why I'm using a Mac for almost everything, that is for all tasks that can be done by using Mac software. > Of course, I agree with your assesment of X, but would respectfully > point out that X isn't a Unix-dependent service. Right, but as _all_ Unix GUIs are implemented on the basis of X, _all_ Unix GUI applications are _by default_ X clients. There is afaik currently no other (mainstream) OS with similar capabilities. > > I've run X servers on Macs, and if someone were willing to port the > libraries to something like WinNT, you could conceivably run an X > application on an NT box and run the server on a Mac/Win95/WinNT/Unix > box. . . Yes you _could_, if NT (replace by any other OS if you want) applications _were_ X clients, but they _aren't_ (at least not by default). -- Wolfgang Keller An Apple (tm) a day wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de keeps the trouble away
From: kris@satcom.planetary.net (Kristopher Jon Magnusson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Pretty icons? Date: 4 Jan 1997 06:29:08 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <5aktbk$9gd@news.xmission.com> Hi, all. I'm getting tired of my old NS icons and want to find some new ones. I've cruised all the archive sites, but have found only boring two-bit grayscale icons. GUN has (or used to have) a mailing list for icons that people created, and I thought they maintain (or used to maintain) an archive site for their icons. Can anyone turn me onto a location for pretty icons? Internally grateful, ...................kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@planetary.net http://www.planetary.net (NeXTmail and MIME OK) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
From: ngervae@sirius.com (Nik Gervae) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Adobe Frame5 and Illustrator/Intel? Date: 4 Jan 1997 08:16:10 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <5al3ka$4mq@sun.sirius.com> So, with the big news, can anybody who knows anybody at Adobe or Omni tell us if there will be an OpenStep update to FrameMaker, and if they'll at least *recompile* Illustrator 3 on NextStep 3.3 so we can run it on our Intel boxes...? ---- ---- Nik Gervae <ngervae@sirius.com> Technical Writer San Francisco
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Date: 4 Jan 1997 10:09:19 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ala8f$fke@news3.digex.net> References: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> <5akpdk$2r4@news.istar.ca> jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) wrote: > On 01/03/97, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > >Does anybody else get the above error? If so, is there a fix? > Yup, I have Quantrix for NeXT hardware and pressing the charting > button always crashes the application. I don't know if there is > a fix. It is a very obvious bug and it baffles me that the error > exists. There seem to be crippling bugs in many of Lighthouse's > products. Recently there have been numerous complaints concerning > OpenWrite deleting the contents of user's home directories. I > also have troubles with Concurrence saving corrupt files. There is a fix for it on the FAQ in their web site. You have to just delete some file in the wrapper, but I forget which off hand... Their site has the answer though... -- Thanks, later, John Kheit monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NEXTmail OK NEXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Opinions expressed represent me only
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 4 Jan 1997 14:09:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> I was wondering if anyone has written a Mail.app filtering system to auto send mail from certain sites to /dev/null ? A UNIX tool would also be fine. I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the last straw. Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: >p.s.--Discretion is requested and assured. >If you wish to be removed from my email list, Sorry, >no can do. The net is a free for all and if you don't >like this email, simply delete it from your inbox. Is this guy rude or what? -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hhoff@schwaben.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: Re: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: NeXT Ghetto People feat. St.Eve Message-ID: <E3HsJw.17q@flop.schwaben.de> References: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> <5akpdk$2r4@news.istar.ca> <5ala8f$fke@news3.digex.net> Cc: Karsten.Heinze@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE, jsamson@istar.ca Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:31:08 GMT John Kheit wrote: > jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) wrote: > > On 01/03/97, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > > >Does anybody else get the above error? If so, is there a fix? > There is a fix for it on the FAQ in their web site. You have to > just delete some file in the wrapper, but I forget which off hand... Here's the FAQ entry: --snip-- Q: When I click the Chart button on a spreadsheet window or choose Chart Templates from the View menu will cause Quantrix 2.3 to crash. This affects ONLY version 2.3 of Quantrix. A: 1. Log in as root 2. Locate and select Quantrix.app, in the File Viewer 3. Choose Open as Folder from the File menu. 4. Locate the Quantrix.app/English.lproj/Charts/3D folder. 5. Remove the 3D folder. The application will now run without incident. Valid for 2.3 ONLY --snip-- I've tested it, and it works. Of course, now you can't select any 3D chart templates anymore. I'm not sure if this is a solution. Sort of like cutting off your foot because it itches. Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | OPENSTEP? Yes, It Will.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Chinese system. Message-ID: <E3H8qv.CHF@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 09:23:18 GMT In article <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com> edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) writes: > Hi! > > I want to access Chinese web page. Does anyone know where to get Chinese > system on NeXT. Do we have Chinese system on NeXT? Any information. > Thanks. > As a starter you could get the KaiSu PostScript-font and the PinYin.app text editor. Try Peak or Peanuts. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: No PowerPC NT; PPCP Gone? Message-ID: <8CF721A.09B8000025.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 97 08:58:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 PowerPCs Will Not Run NT -- IBM, Motorola Executives Point To Lack Of Sales Although Windows NT 4.0 was supposed to allow so-called alternative processor architectures to run Microsoft Corp.'s server operating system, decisions by PC manufacturers last week leave the issue in doubt. When the PC divisions of Groupe Bull, IBM Corp., and Motorola Inc. disclosed to consultants that they would not run Windows NT on their PowerPC- based servers, it left Apple Computer Inc. chief executive Gilbert Amelio with yet another question to answer this week at his keynote address at the MacWorld Expo in San Francisco. Apple is by far the largest customer for PowerPC chips produced by the semiconductor divisions of both IBM and Motorola. The Cupertino, Calif.-based company also stole the holiday spotlight by announcing the acquisition of NeXT Inc., Redwood City, Calif., whose NeXT-Step software is expected to become Apple's next-generation operating system. Apple's servers currently use the company's own operating system. "I don't think even Apple really knows what its server strategy is," said Linley Gwennap, director of product development at MicroDesign Resources Inc., Sebastopol, Calif. "At least with NeXT it has one unknown direction, rather than four or five." IBM and Motorola executives said lack of sales was the reason for excluding the PowerPC from future generations of Windows NT-based servers. The same reason was cited last year when Microsoft cut NT support for the Mips processor. But analysts still expect that both the PowerPC and Alpha will be supported by Microsoft. Microsoft executives could not be reached for comment. But analysts said the PC makers' decision on NT was a pre-emptive strike to abandon Microsoft before it abandoned them. "IBM PC Corp. hasn't shown a whole lot of loyalty, but why should they?" Gwennap said. "When Microsoft pulled support for Mips, it showed that there wasn't much chance that [IBM and Motorola] would have much long-term support. " IBM's and Motorola's semiconductor divisions disagreed. "As far as the PowerPC is concerned, this decision was made by the PC companies, so obviously we have no control," said a spokesman for Motorola's RISC microprocessor division, Austin, Texas. "We haven't changed direction. I can't say whether or not this is going to hurt sales, as the market's just taking off." IBM's use of the PowerPC was primarily restricted to its RS/6000 AIX server line, designed first as a Unix-based platform. Both companies' semiconductor divisions said they still are targeting the PowerPC as an embedded and desktop processor. But analysts raised doubts concerning the future of the Apple/Motorola/IBM PowerPC Platform, an alliance formerly dubbed the Common Hardware Reference Platform. "This pretty much makes the whole point pretty redundant," Gwennap said. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 4 Jan 1997 17:54:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5am5h1$a7r@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has written a Mail.app filtering system > to auto send mail from certain sites to /dev/null ? A UNIX tool > would also be fine. > > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > last straw. > > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: > >p.s.--Discretion is requested and assured. > > >If you wish to be removed from my email list, Sorry, > >no can do. The net is a free for all and if you don't > >like this email, simply delete it from your inbox. > > Is this guy rude or what? I, too, received this rude mailing. Is there anything we can do with this info to prevent future mailings? Joe's CyberPost (JOES-DOM) 19145 Brookview Drive Saratoga, CA 95070 Domain Name: JOES.COM Administrative Contact: Doll, Joe (JD724) joe@JOES.COM (415)691-0270 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Leber, Mike (ML158) mleber@HE.NET 510 651 4164 Record last updated on 11-Oct-95. Record created on 17-Jul-95. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.HE.NET 207.33.1.2 NS2.HE.NET 207.33.1.3 AMDAHL.COM 129.212.11.3 -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple's Dual-OS Strategy Message-ID: <8CF721A.09B8000024.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 97 08:58:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Apple Plots Dual OS Strategy -- Promises support for Mac apps in migration to Next 01/06/97 InformationWeek Apple Computer this week will divulge a dual operating system strategy that includes support of existing Macintosh applications "well into the 21st century," says a company source. The announcement will address users' concerns about Apple's plans to incorporate technology from Next Computer Inc. , which Apple has said it will acquire. Apple sources say chairman and CEO Gilbert Amelio will promise to support the MacOS, in addition to delivering a new operating system using Next technology, until Apple can ensure that most existing Macintosh applications will run on the new operating system. The announcement will come during his keynote address at the MacWorld Expo in San Francisco on Jan. 7. The new system will be delivered within 12 months, say sources. Apple senior VP Ellen Hancock acknowledged on Dec. 23 that existing Mac applications probably won't be compatible with the new operating system, raising concern among some corporate users. "Software that's been available since 1984 will still run on current Macintosh systems, so to suggest the new OS wouldn't run old software would be a travesty," says an executive with Bose Corp., an audio systems manufacturer in Framingham, Mass. Apple's plan for supporting existing applications rests on an emulation approach. Sources say the company is considering porting the Macintosh Application Environment to the Next platform in order to support Mac applications. Company officials acknowledge that porting the MAE could take more than a year. Also, emulation is sure to create performance drawbacks, says Jean Bozman, a research manager at International Data Corp. in Mountain View, Calif. Some users, such as the Carson Group, a New York financial consulting firm, plan to avoid the compatibility issue by writing applications in Java, says Carson Group partner John Papa. In the meantime, users hope that the migration will protect their existing platforms. Says Tom Duck, director of advanced technologies at Skyway Freight Systems Inc. in Watsonville, Calif.:"Next technology is wonderful, and it's great to develop in." -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
Message-ID: <32CE98B1.34AE@ebs.ac.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 11:51:45 -0600 From: Eric Ulmer <ulmerer@ebs.ac.com> Organization: ServiceNet, LLC. Andersen/BBN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT related WWW site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.isd.net/eulmer
From: robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 4 Jan 1997 18:32:11 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5am7nb$14l@boursy.news.erols.com> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> In article <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) writes: > > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > last straw. > > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: Just for the record, I received the same crap. I sent a note to postmaster@joes.com, but I imagine that joe is also alias postmaster. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu
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From: jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 23:46:49 -0400 Organization: Rogers Communications Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz?
From: tgritton@sprynet.com (Terry Gritton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Speech recognition/transcription Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 11:05:38 -0800 Organization: ^self -> (CompSci/MolBiol) Message-ID: <tgritton-ya023180000401971105380001@news.sprynet.com> References: <1997010314080110218@dialup-1.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <1997010314080110218@dialup-1.ucl.ac.uk>, reba999@ucl.ac.uk (Michael Binks) wrote: >Is there any Speech recognition/transcription software available for >NEXTStep ? This was posted a few day ago. Not a complete answer to you needs but maybe some pointers. From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.software Subject: Re: AppleStep FAQs - dd 961230 Date: 30 Dec 1996 15:28:01 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK [snip,snip] In this area, though, NeXT has a pretty good history: the first speech ASR system to break the 1000-word barrier for the main DARPA evaluation task was developedon NEXTSTEP by Kai Fu Lee, who subsequently went to work for Apple (on the Caspar project -- wahtever became of that?), although his work lived on in the SpeechKit product from Visus (a spin-off company from CMU). This was basically a 1000-word recognition system which you could build into any of your applications, and for which you could configure your own vocabulary, grammar etc. Quite outstanding technology for its time. There was also SimonSays, which did a good job at putting a speech UI onto NEXTSTEP, however it still doesn't get round the fact that using it involves talking to your computer. -- -- Terry Gritton "Glycobiology - the new frontier of biosemiotics" tgritton@sprynet.com
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 4 Jan 1997 20:24:23 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5am7nb$14l@boursy.news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) wrote: > In article <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe > A. Rodriguez) writes: > > > > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > > last straw. > > > > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: > > Just for the record, I received the same crap. > I sent a note to postmaster@joes.com, but I imagine > that joe is also alias postmaster. I sent email to he.net which services the joes.com email domain and received the following response. Note the good suggestion to contact our congresspeople about making SPAMing illegal. DO IT!! Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 11:19:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Leber <mleber@he.net> To: Art Isbell <aisbell@ix.netcom.com> Subject: MAIL ABUSE:Re: Take care of this problem, please In-Reply-To: <9701041808.AA00502@ix.netcom.com> We take mail abuse very seriously. This is a forgery that has been sent out by a spammer after we had joes.com take down his page. Note that the raw mail headers show this spam does not originate at he.net. Also, joes.com does not contain "hot" material. joes.com had the misfortune to rent space to a hit and run spam operator that is now taking revenge for his page being pulled. We will posting further details to news.admin.net-abuse.email later today. Please write your congressman to have the sending of mass unsolicited commercial email turned into a crime similar to unsolicited mass faxing. Mike. +------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 408 282 1540 | | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting & Co-location Fax 408 971 3340 | | mleber@he.net „http://www.he.net | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: "Eren Kotan" <Eren_Kotan@next.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MacStep: Can I run Mac Apps on my Cube ? Date: 4 Jan 1997 20:56:02 GMT Organization: NeXT Software UK Limited Message-ID: <01bbfa83$34d27c50$102c1281@demoroom> References: <59rign$d3g@boursy.news.erols.com> > a) Will the new Mac OS run on my Cube? Sure, it will also run on the Commodore Amiga, the ZX Spectrum and the common kitchen kettle. ;-} Hey, if Microsoft can get away with it, why can't we? I am looking at the minimum hardware specs for NT 3.51: - 386SX CPU with 8MB RAM. Regards, Eren -- Eren Kotan - Eren_Kotan@next.com NeXT Software UK Limited ObjectLine Support - anything I say is exactly that
From: Brian Sutherland <rmaniac@onramp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXFax which modems? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:15:08 -0600 Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <32CEC85C.2B92@onramp.net> References: <5a43l9$t31@belize.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Derek Chan <dchan@dchan.earthlink.net> Derek Chan wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm in need for some suggestions for a good 28.8/33.4 modem. The modem has > to work with NXFax. I've been thinking of getting the US Robotics > V.Everything but, have heard that US Robitics modems don't work with NXFax (I > couldn't get a 28.8 USR Sportster to work but, maybe the V.Everything will > work). Can anyone recommend anything? > > Thanks. > > -- > dchan@earthlink.net | NeXTmail or MIMEmail welcome. I have a courier V.everything I will go home tonight and try it out. Look for my post in a day or two. Brian
From: "Eren Kotan" <Eren_Kotan@next.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Be vs NeXT Date: 4 Jan 1997 21:01:37 GMT Organization: NeXT Software UK Limited Message-ID: <01bbfa83$fc459920$102c1281@demoroom> References: <19961224193600.OAA14529@ladder01.news.aol.com> Yipadedoda <yipadedoda@aol.com> wrote in article <19961224193600.OAA14529@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Will someone tell me the differences between BeOS and NeXT. From what I've > heard, NeXT takes 30 seconds to load while BeOS takes only 5 secs!! It > seems that BeOS is a fast, portable, Completely object oriented operating > system that can also do multiprocessing. I have no idea what NeXT can do. NEXTSTEP is a fast, portable, completely object oriented operating system that can also do multiprocessing; with one important difference: we already have a well-established base of real-world customers using it for solving real-world problems. ;-} NEXTSTEP is mature, BeOS is still under development. The time for an OS to load is not exactly a meaningful benchmark, is it? Regards, Eren -- Eren Kotan - Eren_Kotan@next.com NeXT Software UK Limited ObjectLine Support
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Virtuoso All The Way! Re: Adobe Frame5 and Illustrator/Intel? Date: 4 Jan 1997 21:37:08 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-d-53.usc.edu Message-ID: <5amii4$hhn@usc.edu> References: <5al3ka$4mq@sun.sirius.com> Cc: ngervae@sirius.com In <5al3ka$4mq@sun.sirius.com> Nik Gervae wrote: > So, with the big news, can anybody who knows anybody at Adobe or Omni > tell us if there will be an OpenStep update to FrameMaker, and if > they'll at least *recompile* Illustrator 3 on NextStep 3.3 so we can > run it on our Intel boxes...? Better Yet - Let's get Virtuoso back up on the developing board! I'll take it any day over Illustrator! -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: news@cmc.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: cmsg cancel <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Date: 4 Jan 1997 22:26:35 GMT Control: cancel <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> Sender: chrisf@chesapeake.net (CF Publishing) Spam cancelled by news@cmc.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <cs@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> Message-ID: <9701040959.AA00404@zaphod> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v146.2) From: Christian Starkjohann <cs@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 97 10:59:19 +0100 Subject: Re: access to extended DOS partitions in NS/Intel Cc: kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu In article <5ak3p7$8dn@nntp.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Karl Pfleger) writes: > I have 3 partitions on the HD of my NS/Intel machine: DOS/Win95, > NS, and a 3rd partition what was previous Linux, but I just > reformetted to be an extended DOS partition. How do I get the new > extended DOS drive to be accessible in NS (e.g., Workspace, unix > command line, ...) ? Or is this not possible even though NS is > capable of reading the file system? That would seem silly since > NS's fdisk understands that the partition is there. NS's fdisk does not see the logical partition, it just sees the extended one which may contain many logical ones. The man page of fdisk says: fdisk knows nothing about logical partitions, which are sub-partitions of an extended partition. Nor perhaps should it, as these are gross kludges from the Evil OS Company of the North. If you really need access to that partition you may try vmount: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Unix/disk/vmount* or ftp://hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at/pub/NeXT/tools/vmount/ Bye, Christian. -- Christian Starkjohann <cs@hal.kph.tuwien.ac.at> or <cs@ds1.kph.tuwien.ac.at>, finger for PGP Public Key. PGP fingerprint: DF FD 40 60 91 6A 14 1C CD 2C E9 07 38 AE CB 4E
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? (OmniWeb note) Date: 5 Jan 1997 00:00:51 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <5amqvj$4kv@gaea.titan.org> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) wrote: > On 01/01/97, John De Hoog wrote: > > >(5) Up-to-date Web browser support > > OmniWeb (www.omnigroup.com) is about the most up to date and supports HTML 3.2 > fairly completely but does not handle plug-ins or some of the more esoteric > Netscapisms. NetSurfer is the other major competitor. There have been > persistent rumors of an OpenStep NetScape port. Just to correct an incorrect impression someone could get from this, while neither OmniWeb nor NetSurfer support Netscape or IE plug-ins (or each others') - they do indeed support their own plug-ins. Since I work at Omni: OmniWeb has what we feel is a very powerful framework that allows a plug-in to do many things that plug-ins can't do in Netscape. (Our OmniWeb web pages give more info: http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/.) As for a Netscape port to NeXTstep, I've never before heard rumors of one, though I've certainly heard wishful requests. (We've even had people request that we team up with Netscape to get a NeXTstep port - beyond all other factors, I can't imagine what positive aspects such a deal would offer Omni.) I do of course expect there will be a Netscape port for whatever form the new OS takes. And as for the original article that started this thread, it seemed like an obvious troll to me - I'm not sure why anyone deigned to respond. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok Want NeXTstep user environment info? Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/People/andrew/MacUsersGuideToNEXTSTEP/
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pages by Pages Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:51:03 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E3FqH3.us@micmac.com> References: <32BED518.2A2170E6@screaming.org> <59ml1t$870@shelob.afs.com> <32C014BF.3426@dallas.net> <32C0CAC4.5176@afs.com> <5a91du$6sa@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5a98q9$g8n@duke.squonk.net> <5a9f9d$qfe@news.bctel.net> <32C8475F.5504@afs.com> <5a9hso$e2m@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Cc: jdevlin@umich.edu In <5a9hso$e2m@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > ... speaking of decent text engines .... Does anyone else remember the > Archetype Document Engine? I thought that was a terrific idea -- just add > it to the OS and call it Enterprise Document Frameworks ... > > Sure I do! But it was killed by MCCA... What happened then to this? -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: mattj@invisix.com Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Message-ID: <147cd$122425.32d@news.goldengate.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 00:36:37 GMT References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> wrote: >If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > You can overclock a Pentium CPU on certain motherboards for faster MHz speeds. -- MATT | mailto:mattj@invisix.com NeXTMail Ok jurcich | http://www.invisix.com Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25G, 16MB, 800MB, 20", Irix 5.3 NeXTstation Turbo Color, 24MB, 250MB, NEC XP21, NEXTSTEP 3.2
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: We Create Web Pages! Date: 4 Jan 1997 14:43:17 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.852417619@idiom.com> References: <5am7kr$drl@tommy.chesapeake.net> chrisf@chesapeake.net (CF Publishing) writes: [most of the spammer's ad deleted] >estimate you may have. If you are interested in any of our services, simple >email us at chrisf@chesapeake.net, or call us at (301) 855-9902. Guys, this is a rare chance to slam a spammer but good. I just tried the number above, and it's live. It appears to be his home number. Call him up, and tell him why it's wrong to spam usenet newsgroups!!! >Thank you for your interest in our services. Yeah, good luck getting a clue, dipshit. -jcr
From: elisha@dot.net.au (Luci Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 12:32:49 +1100 Organization: Elisha, Inc Distribution: inet Message-ID: <elisha-ya023180000501971232490001@news.dot.net.au> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <147cd$122425.32d@news.goldengate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <147cd$122425.32d@news.goldengate.net>, mattj@invisix.com wrote: > jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> wrote: > >If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > > > You can overclock a Pentium CPU on certain motherboards for faster MHz > speeds. > Ditto PowerPC. (Interesting that powerpc.advocacy isn't on the header??) ********************************************************************* Luci Ellis elisha@dot.net.au "Who needs horror movies when we have Microsoft"? -- Christine Comaford, PC Week, 27/9/95
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 02:10:09 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E3IJCx.1MA@micmac.com> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Cc: far@ix.netcom.com In <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Felipe A. Rodriguez wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has written a Mail.app filtering system > to auto send mail from certain sites to /dev/null ? A UNIX tool > would also be fine. > Use procmail! It will do this and more... > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > last straw. I received the same... > > Is this guy rude or what? Stupid for sure! > > > > -- mc ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ Michel Coste <mailto:mic@micmac.com> MiCMAC - Online Publishing < http://www.micmac.com> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
From: mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Be vs NeXT Date: 5 Jan 1997 01:35:34 GMT Organization: Puppy Dog Software Message-ID: <mmunz-0401971829120001@slc-dial-31.inconnect.com> References: <19961224193600.OAA14529@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bbfa83$fc459920$102c1281@demoroom> In article <01bbfa83$fc459920$102c1281@demoroom>, "Eren Kotan" <Eren_Kotan@next.com> wrote: >Yipadedoda <yipadedoda@aol.com> wrote in article ><19961224193600.OAA14529@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >> Will someone tell me the differences between BeOS and NeXT. From what >I've >> heard, NeXT takes 30 seconds to load while BeOS takes only 5 secs!! It >> seems that BeOS is a fast, portable, Completely object oriented operating >> system that can also do multiprocessing. I have no idea what NeXT can do. > >NEXTSTEP is a fast, portable, completely object oriented operating system >that can also do multiprocessing; with one important difference: we already >have a well-established base of real-world customers using it for solving >real-world problems. ;-} > >NEXTSTEP is mature, BeOS is still under development. > >The time for an OS to load is not exactly a meaningful benchmark, is it? I agree with most of your statement, but the last bit is questionable. I think it is important to look at the load time of an OS. Load times for Macintosh seem to get longer with each new release - not a good trend. Now, it is possible that the differences are due to different services that are offered. If these are necessary services that Next offers that haven't made it to the BeOS, then that's OK - if however it is the same services, maybe there needs to be some work done to improve the performance. Mind you, the statement that BeOS only takes 5 seconds to boot is incorrect (at least, mine never has)... but some of the speed in BeOS may be due to the multi-processor and would therefore need to be compared to a Next running on multiple-PPC chips for a more accurate comparison. Just my two cents. Mark Munz
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 20:25:26 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32CF1116.231DE0C5@screaming.org> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the wrote: > you are an idiot that does not know JACK. You surely don't know > processors. The PowerPC chip is a generartion ahead of the pentium. Who gives a rat's ass? With platform-independent APIs, hardware becomes a bang-for-the-buck issue. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pretty icons? Date: 5 Jan 1997 02:42:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970105024000.VAA08188@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5aktbk$9gd@news.xmission.com> On the subject of icons... I upgraded my Cube on a new hard drive from 2.1 to 3.1, and was shocked to see a NeXTStation icon for the root directory. I put in Cube tiffs for .dir.tiff and .opendir.tiff, and they appear properly when I'm logged in as root, but not for the me account. I'd really like to have the system looking like its old self on this one thing at least. William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701041412.GAA12832@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: af2a7d41db3f2d182f8e81f251175faf - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 97 09:12:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Speech recognition/transcription Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: af2a7d41db3f2d182f8e81f251175faf - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: reba999@ucl.ac.uk (Michael Binks) Original Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:08:01 GMT > I badly need speech to text software and I am not concerned about > a requirement for discontinuous speech. Apple's offerings seem > rudimentary and I have not heard about significant forthcoming > developments. PowerSecretary for the Mac is reportedly reliable > and efficient, but grossly overpriced for the full (medical) > version. > > IBM's offerings in this area are impressive. Is my new PC going to > have to be Wintel / OS-2 ? Or is there some hope from the NEXT > arena ? The only app I've ever heard that could do that was "SimonSays" Send me an email message with no body and the SUBJECT search-peak simonsays and you'll get the URLs back for our FTP site. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.psion.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix Subject: cmsg cancel <jcr.852417619@idiom.com> Control: cancel <jcr.852417619@idiom.com> Date: 5 Jan 1997 03:25:04 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5an6ug$edt@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> This article canceled.
From: me@nortel.ca (Josie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,news.admin.net-abuse.misc Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null joes.com adgrafix.com Date: 5 Jan 1997 03:48:23 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <5an8a7$6ao@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Keywords: spam Looking at the headers, it seems that it came through ibm.net - I sent a message to their postmaster and asked them to disconnect the spammers at joes.com. Replying to this message obviously bounces. However, the interesting part is that http://www.joes.com doesn't exist (anymore?) but www.adgrafix.com does exist and seem to be served by MCI. I also sent an email to postmaster@mci.net and abuse@mci.net to investigate. Daniel PS:Check the 'Fight Spam' (http://www.vix.com/spam/) page for more info on how to fight spam. Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA144374; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:15:14 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:15:14 GMT From: joe@joes.com Message-Id: <199701032315.XAA144374@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip129-37-233-146.mi.us.ibm.net(129.37.233.146) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smag6gpsR; Fri Jan 3 22:14:15 1997 /usr/sbin/traceroute adgrafix.com traceroute to adgrafix.com (208.140.168.254), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 hades (198.53.206.1) 2.093 ms 1.917 ms 1.828 ms 2 border1.Ottawa.istar.net (198.53.64.141) 5.687 ms 4.941 ms 4.851 ms 3 core1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net (198.53.250.10) 5.436 ms 5.829 ms 5.073 ms 4 core1.Montreal.iSTAR.net (198.53.254.57) 13.992 ms 7.538 ms 9.683 ms 5 core1.Toronto.iSTAR.net (198.53.254.61) 50.96 ms 195.051 ms 15.623 ms 6 border5-hssi1-0.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.69.5) 34.207 ms 42.161 ms 53.041 ms 7 core2-fddi-0.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.64.49) 36.382 ms 32.027 ms 33.563 ms 8 166.48.38.22 (166.48.38.22) 50.482 ms 51.328 ms 53.077 ms 9 166.48.38.22 (166.48.38.22) 49.905 ms 60.939 ms 51.072 ms 10 208.140.168.254 (208.140.168.254) 49.559 ms * 50.738 ms In article <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) wrote: > > In article <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe > > A. Rodriguez) writes: > > > > > > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > > > last straw. > > > > > > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: > > > > Just for the record, I received the same crap. > > I sent a note to postmaster@joes.com, but I imagine > > that joe is also alias postmaster.
From: me@nortel.ca (Josie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,news.admin.net-abuse.misc Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null joes.com adgrafix.com Date: 5 Jan 1997 03:48:33 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <5an8ah$6aq@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Keywords: spam Looking at the headers, it seems that it came through ibm.net - I sent a message to their postmaster and asked them to disconnect the spammers at joes.com. Replying to this message obviously bounces. However, the interesting part is that http://www.joes.com doesn't exist (anymore?) but www.adgrafix.com does exist and seem to be served by MCI. I also sent an email to postmaster@mci.net and abuse@mci.net to investigate. Daniel PS:Check the 'Fight Spam' (http://www.vix.com/spam/) page for more info on how to fight spam. Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA144374; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:15:14 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:15:14 GMT From: joe@joes.com Message-Id: <199701032315.XAA144374@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip129-37-233-146.mi.us.ibm.net(129.37.233.146) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smag6gpsR; Fri Jan 3 22:14:15 1997 /usr/sbin/traceroute adgrafix.com traceroute to adgrafix.com (208.140.168.254), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 hades (198.53.206.1) 2.093 ms 1.917 ms 1.828 ms 2 border1.Ottawa.istar.net (198.53.64.141) 5.687 ms 4.941 ms 4.851 ms 3 core1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net (198.53.250.10) 5.436 ms 5.829 ms 5.073 ms 4 core1.Montreal.iSTAR.net (198.53.254.57) 13.992 ms 7.538 ms 9.683 ms 5 core1.Toronto.iSTAR.net (198.53.254.61) 50.96 ms 195.051 ms 15.623 ms 6 border5-hssi1-0.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.69.5) 34.207 ms 42.161 ms 53.041 ms 7 core2-fddi-0.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.64.49) 36.382 ms 32.027 ms 33.563 ms 8 166.48.38.22 (166.48.38.22) 50.482 ms 51.328 ms 53.077 ms 9 166.48.38.22 (166.48.38.22) 49.905 ms 60.939 ms 51.072 ms 10 208.140.168.254 (208.140.168.254) 49.559 ms * 50.738 ms In article <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: > robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) wrote: > > In article <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe > > A. Rodriguez) writes: > > > > > > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > > > last straw. > > > > > > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: > > > > Just for the record, I received the same crap. > > I sent a note to postmaster@joes.com, but I imagine > > that joe is also alias postmaster.
From: Robert Iacullo <eagle@serv.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 19:55:50 -0800 Organization: AMUSE Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jmiller wrote: > > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. -- Robert S Iacullo President-Amiga Users Society Eastside eagle@serv.net http://www.serv.net/~eagle TeamAMIGA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) Subject: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Message-ID: <vfr750E3Ir0B.EHC@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 04:55:23 GMT Sender: vfr750@netcom12.netcom.com Subject says it all, just wondering what it might be, and where I could get it from . Thanx! -- Will Hartung - Rancho Santa Margarita. It's a dry heat. vfr750@netcom.com 1990 VFR750 - VFR=Very Red "Ho, HaHa, Dodge, Parry, Spin, HA! THRUST!" 1993 Explorer - Cage? Hell, it's a prison. -D. Duck
From: zapster@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 5 Jan 1997 07:24:20 GMT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> In <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com>, "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since >it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly >no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) >running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance >or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache >onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only >half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. Umm, I highly doubt sun makes anything that can beat an RS/6000 system running with 512 processors... The IBM PowerParallel system is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, generally available mainframe one can buy. Solaris is also an extremely slow OS, it blows. So lesse, I have my IBM RS/6000 PowerParalell with 512 processors and 16 gigs of ram. Lesse, you have a quad pentium pro system running what... say linux and just for kicks 1 gig of ram, and of course the unbelievably fast 33mhz PCI bus... Who is going to win here? Who can have the most concurrent users? Will it be the intel machine? Fuck no.
From: dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 00:54:12 GMT Organization: TNI Message-ID: <32d2f893.921819456@snews.zippo.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> <5amqvj$4kv@gaea.titan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > >And as for the original article that started this thread, it seemed >like an obvious troll to me - I'm not sure why anyone deigned to >respond. I'm sorry you took it that way. I originated this thread in order to learn more about the practical aspects involved in adopting NeXTStep now or later, and to find out the current status of application support for a SOHO user. It was never meant as a troll. Many people emailed me privately with useful advice, as a result of which I now have a better understanding of the situation. One thing I learned is that most NeXTStep users today apparently do not use the Internet from standalone, dialup ISP accounts. For this reason, support for dial-on-demand Internet services is still inadequate. A second thing I learned is that someone in my situation, who must supply files to corporations that use mainly MS Office products, may have difficulty providing strictly Office-compliant formats from a NeXTStep platform. Other than that, there would seem to be many excellent applications available now, and the development environment should make it relatively easy to provide new or upgraded ones if the new OpenMac platform starts to become established. Again, I'm rather stung by the "troll" accusation. I think the questions I raised are just the kinds of practical considerations that must be made by anyone looking to switch platforms. I went through a similar process when I switched from the Mac to Windows NT a couple of years ago. At first, I was afraid I wouldn't be able to find equivalent applications for the PC. With a bit of searching, however, I found a wide range of utilities and other programs. Moreover, as the Internet has grown, Windows has generally been first to get the latest Internet-oriented applications. There is an advantage to having the latest tools available fast, and it's one I would be loathe to give up. ------ John De Hoog dehoog@super.zippo.com
From: Scott Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 5 Jan 1997 09:59:08 GMT Organization: BCOG Message-ID: <5anu1c$j78@news.bctel.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> <5amqvj$4kv@gaea.titan.org> <32d2f893.921819456@snews.zippo.com> dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) wrote: >andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: >One thing I learned is that most NeXTStep users today apparently do >not use the Internet from standalone, dialup ISP accounts. For this >reason, support for dial-on-demand Internet services is still >inadequate. There is a shareware app called the Simple Internet Starter Kit that offers a GUI for configuring PPP on Nextstep. I used it before switching to a dedicated T3 Ethernet connection. Also, Openstep 4.0 is supposed to have better PPP support.
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Changing Object Icons in NeXTSTEP? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 10:34:10 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <32CF83A2.4F3B@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the process for changing icons for apps, documents, folders, etc... Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: fugue@ccp.spc.uchicago.edu Subject: HELP: Anyone have compiled ps2pcl? Message-ID: <ukvg20gf46g.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:00:07 GMT Does anyone have a compiled version of ps2pcl for an 040 black slab, using serial port B, 38400 baud? The only binary version I can find is compiled for i386 *grr*. Thanks, Mark -- fugue "The police used to watch over the people. Now they're watching the people."
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 12:19:31 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000501971219310001@news.tiac.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> <5amqvj$4kv@gaea.titan.org> <32d2f893.921819456@snews.zippo.com> <5anu1c$j78@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5anu1c$j78@news.bctel.net>, Scott wrote: > dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) wrote: snip > >One thing I learned is that ... support for dial-on-demand Internet > >services is still inadequate. > > There is a shareware app called the Simple Internet Starter Kit that offers a > GUI for configuring PPP on Nextstep. I used it before switching to a > dedicated T3 Ethernet connection. Also, Openstep 4.0 is supposed to have > better PPP support. I seem to recall that the posted comments on 4.X (which I haven't upgraded to) are to the effect that the PPP is the same as the freeware version, and does not include dial-on-demand. If so, John is correct. Perhaps someone using PPP in 4.X could comment? Barney
From: scottb@formats-unlimited.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Internet Search Engines Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 17:32:36 GMT Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network) Message-ID: <32cfe53e.4780304@newshost.li.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for any software that will allow you to setup company names on the general internet search engines. I know there are a number of companies that offer this service but where are they getting this software.
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 300-MHz Mac clone Message-ID: <8CF82A0.09B800002B.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 97 11:12:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 300-MHz Mac clone due in July 01/06/97 ComputerWorld Macintosh clone maker Power Computing Corp. is expected at this week's Macworld Expo to demonstrate a 300-MHz Macintosh-compatible system that will be delivered by July. Apple's fastest machine is the Power Macintosh 9500, a 200-MHz system that will soon have an optional upgrade to 250 MHz. The 9500 was released about two months ago; Apple hasn't announced plans for a 300-MHz model, according to Apple service representatives. Also at this week's trade show in San Francisco, Power Computing is set to announce two dual-PowerPC processor cards, attractive price cuts and new bundling deals. The two cards include a dual 225-MHz PowerPC card with 32M bytes of memory. It is expected to cost $4,995. The other card - a dual 250-MHz model - is, at least for now, just a technology demonstration, according to Bill Goins, Power Computing's marketing director. Power Computing is also offering some new bundling deals and show specials. The company plans to bundle Macromedia, Inc.'s popular Director and Shockwave, a $900 value. Show attendees can get $250 off any Power Computing system that costs more than $2,500. The company will also throw in a free modem. Neither of the primaryPowerPC chip makers IBM's Microelectronics Division in Fishkill, N.Y., and Motorola, Inc.'s RISC processor division in Austin, Texas has officially announced a 300-MHz Power-PC chip. But IBM and Motorola last summer announced their in-tentions to deliver this year a line of PowerPC processors called the G3 line with speedsranging from 200 MHz to 400 MHz. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple's move: Mach kernel Message-ID: <8CF82A0.09B800002C.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 97 11:12:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 What's Apple's NeXT Move? 1/06/97 Computer Reseller News San Francisco -- Gilbert Amelio will provide the first details of how Apple plans to integrate its planned purchase of NeXT Software Inc. and how NeXT's technology will help solve Apple's delays in bringing the next version of the MacOS to market. Apple is planning to release a developer beta version first and could ship a full-blown operating system by the end of this year, said NeXT Vice President of Engineering Avi Tevanian. The operating system will run out of the box on PowerPC and Intel Corp. microprocessors and will support Windows NT applications and APIs, Tevanian said. Apple has not yet decided how compatible it will be with existing Macintosh applications, but expects it to support "major applications" in the first release. "The applications that people use the most will run-Microsoft Corp.'s Office, mail programs, general productivity applications that are well- behaved. System 7 compatibility is an overriding concern. There will be a few minor applications that won't work, but we will fix those over time," Tevanian said. The new operating system will support "any hardware that's shipping today," Tevanian said, although Apple also plans to ship new versions of System 7 this month and in July. Apple will continue shipping System 7 "as long as customers demand new revisions," he said. Tevanian agreed with developers who said the new operating system will arrive faster if it is based on NeXT's Mach kernel but would not discuss Apple's plans. Other NeXT sources said the underlying Mach kernel and parts of the NeXTStep OS already have been ported to the PowerMac used at NeXT, so the first step toward integration has occurred. Tevanian said developers will choose the new operating system over Windows because it is easier to use. "If you program for Windows today, you spend a lot of engineering time just trying to make things work on Windows," he said. Metrowerks Inc. President Greg Galanos said it is up to Apple to generate support. Metrowerks will deliver its first set of compilers and tools for the new operating system at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference in May. Developers can begin working in Objective C, which is the NeXTStep language, while preserving their investment in C and C++, Galanos said. By Macworld 1998, Metrowerks plans to have a full-blown rapid application development environment, including debugging, that runs on Be, Windows NT and Windows 95, the current MacOS, and the new operating system. It also will work on OpenStep running on NT and NeXTStep running on Intel. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Message-ID: <1997Jan4.170331.1112@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Cc: far@ix.netcom.com Organization: Disorganization References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:03:31 GMT In <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Felipe A. Rodriguez wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has written a Mail.app filtering system > to auto send mail from certain sites to /dev/null ? A UNIX tool > would also be fine. Not in Mail.app, but in the mail-delivery. Put a file '.forward' in your home dir and enter '|/somepath/spam-filter' ------------ An example of spam-filter ------------------------------- #! /bin/sh # MAIL=/tmp/MAIL$$ MAILBOX=/usr/spool/mail/`/usr/ucb/whoami` umask 077 cat >$MAIL JUNKMAIL="<some regexp which filters spam-mail>" JUNK=`grep "$JUNKMAIL" $MAIL` if [ "$JUNK" = "" ] then cat $MAIL >>$MAILBOX echo >>$MAILBOX echo >>$MAILBOX fi rm -f $MAIL > > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the > last straw. > > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: > >p.s.--Discretion is requested and assured. > > >If you wish to be removed from my email list, Sorry, > >no can do. The net is a free for all and if you don't > >like this email, simply delete it from your inbox. > > Is this guy rude or what? Try to find out which path the mail took and complain at the postmaster(s) of the relevant machines. -- C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung
From: "Karl Thomas" <karlt@ilinks.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Be vs NeXT Date: 5 Jan 1997 13:47:41 GMT Organization: Zip News Message-ID: <01bbfb0e$c2edd120$73c289ce@ns1.ilinks.net> References: <19961224193600.OAA14529@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bbfa83$fc459920$102c1281@demoroom> <mmunz-0401971829120001@slc-dial-31.inconnect.com> Mark Munz <mmunz@inconnect.com> wrote in article <mmunz-0401971829120001@slc-dial-31.inconnect.com>... > I agree with most of your statement, but the last bit is questionable. I > think it is important to look at the load time of an OS. Load times for > Macintosh seem to get longer with each new release - not a good trend. > Now, it is possible that the differences are due to different services > that are offered. If these are necessary services that Next offers that > haven't made it to the BeOS, then that's OK - if however it is the same > services, maybe there needs to be some work done to improve the > performance. Why is load time so important? Of course on the Mac it's important because you end up restarting so much. But most people who use a stable OS like NeXTStep boot their computers at most once day when they first start it.
From: shaffer@durer.phyast.pitt.edu (C. David Shaffer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 05 Jan 1997 20:12:17 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <SHAFFER.97Jan5221217@durer.phyast.pitt.edu> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> <5amqvj$4kv@gaea.titan.org> <32d2f893.921819456@snews.zippo.com> <5anu1c$j78@news.bctel.net> <jbf-ya023580000501971219310001@news.tiac.net> In-reply-to: jbf@frazer.com's message of Sun, 05 Jan 1997 12:19:31 -0500 GateKeeper (a PD or shareware app on peak and peanuts) claims to support dial-on-demand (you must get the DoD version as well as a different version of BIND). I have not tested it, just read the docs. I don't use GateKeeper for other reasons but if you need DoD then I think it should be a good solution assuming that it works. David Shaffer Department of Physics Wayne State College Wayne, NE 68787 dshaffer@wscunx1.wsc.edu >>>>> "James" == James B Frazer <jbf@frazer.com> writes: In article <jbf-ya023580000501971219310001@news.tiac.net> jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) writes: James> In article <5anu1c$j78@news.bctel.net>, Scott wrote: >> dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) wrote: James> snip >> >One thing I learned is that ... support for dial-on-demand >> Internet services is still inadequate. >> >> There is a shareware app called the Simple Internet Starter Kit >> that offers a GUI for configuring PPP on Nextstep. I used it >> before switching to a dedicated T3 Ethernet connection. Also, >> Openstep 4.0 is supposed to have better PPP support. James> I seem to recall that the posted comments on 4.X (which I James> haven't upgraded to) are to the effect that the PPP is the James> same as the freeware version, and does not include James> dial-on-demand. If so, John is correct. Perhaps someone James> using PPP in 4.X could comment? James> Barney -- David Shaffer Department of Physics Wayne State College Wayne, NE 68787 dshaffer@wscgate.wsc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Message-ID: <E3Jw8C.Htv@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5am7nb$14l@boursy.news.erols.com> <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:45:48 GMT In article <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: >robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) wrote: >> In article <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe >> A. Rodriguez) writes: >> > >> > I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the >> > last straw. >> > >> > Some idiot named joe@joes.com wrote: >> >> Just for the record, I received the same crap. >> I sent a note to postmaster@joes.com, but I imagine >> that joe is also alias postmaster. > > I sent email to he.net which services the joes.com email domain and >received the following response. Note the good suggestion to contact our >congresspeople about making SPAMing illegal. DO IT!! > I have to agree. There is something really nasty happening. Here's one I just received. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To keep up with the respect of internet users who wish their names removed from Noci Marketing's emailing list, simply mail to: noci@cyberpromo.com and type "remove" in the subject field or message body. It's that simple. NOTE TO FLAMERS:DON'T DO IT! We will comply with and respect all REMOVE requests, but if we are flamed we will (a) FLAME YOU 1000 times as much (b)email to 3 million people a questionable item with your return email address. We want respect as much as anyone else, so if you give it, you shall receive it. Your message will be forwarded to Cybergen Health, but will be filtered for questionable content and size(max. 5K), and if it does not comply with our acceptable usage, our software will IMMEDIATELY and AUTOMATICALLY proceed to implement the remedies described above. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Can you believe that these guys are _threatening_ the people they are _spamming_? These people deserve no respect because they have shown none to me or the other 3 million (they're bragging about how widely they're spamming!) people they have spammed. They send me a message of 17k and say if I send them a message over 5k they'll automatically reflect it 1000 times? This stuff doesn't have anything to do with the first amendment. We need to make this illegal! How do I complain and get these guys access cut off? The header was: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: nicmrk@orchid.com Received: from nd.edu (mail.nd.edu [129.74.250.101]) by calliope.psych.nd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20784 for <sboker@calliope.psych.nd.edu>; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: nicmrk@orchid.com Received: from mars.itc.Virginia.EDU by nd.edu with SMTP (PP) id <sg.03453-0@nd.edu>; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:51:05 -0500 Received: from virginia.edu (actually mars.itc.Virginia.EDU) by nd.edu with SMTP (PP); Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:50:51 -0500 Received: from kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa00603; 5 Jan 97 13:50 EST Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA00439 for <smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu>; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:50:16 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA125817; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 18:04:32 GMT ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Steven M. Boker (219) 631-4941 (office) (219) 631-8883 (fax) boker@virginia.edu http://kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu/steve_boker/ Dept. of Psychology, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: "C. Stephen Turnbull" <turnbull@datarev.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mind Over Mail (Salt Spring Technical - Still Available) Date: 5 Jan 1997 20:13:39 GMT Organization: dataREV Information Technologies Inc. Message-ID: <01bbfb45$3d3884d0$0b4ad0cd@voyager> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have been using an application called mind over mail and recently changed the machine it was running on. Because the software was bound to the ethernet address it no longer works. Does anyone have a current email address for salt spring technical or a location where I can obtain a new program Thanks Steve Turnbull -- turnbull@datarev.com
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Changing Object Icons in NeXTSTEP? Date: 5 Jan 1997 15:51:39 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5ap48r$epc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <32CF83A2.4F3B@us.oracle.com> In article <32CF83A2.4F3B@us.oracle.com>, Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> wrote: > What is the process for changing icons for apps, documents, folders, > etc... Unfortunately, this isn't as nice as it is on, say, OS/2. Apps: The icon used to be embedded in the app binary itself. Now I think it's stored in the app wrapper folder, called "AppName.tiff". Documents: Not sure.. might still be embedded in the app binary. You can't assign an arbitrary icon to an arbitrary document. Instead, the Workspace looks up the default application for that file type, and finds out what icon that application displays for that type. (Icons can change depending on what you're using as your default application!) Folders: This is easy. Just place files named .dir.tiff and .opendir.tiff in that folder. The workspace will display the .dir.tiff icon for that folder, and the .opendir.tiff icon when you are dropping something into it. (This is normally used to show the folder "opening up" when you are about to drop something.) -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:09:29 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ap5a9$k23@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5am7nb$14l@boursy.news.erols.com> <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <E3Jw8C.Htv@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) wrote: > I have to agree. There is something really nasty happening. Here's one > I just received. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To keep up with the respect of internet users who wish their names removed from Noci Marketing's emailing list, simply mail to: noci@cyberpromo.com and type "remove" in the subject field or message body. It's that simple. NOTE TO FLAMERS:DON'T DO IT! We will comply with and respect all REMOVE requests, but if we are flamed we will (a) FLAME YOU 1000 times as much (b)email to 3 million people a questionable item with your return email address. We want respect > as much as anyone else, so if you give it, you shall receive it. > Your message will be forwarded to Cybergen Health, but will be filtered for questionable content and size(max. 5K), and if it does not comply with our acceptable usage, our software will IMMEDIATELY and AUTOMATICALLY proceed to implement the remedies described above. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Can you believe that these guys are _threatening_ the people > they are _spamming_? These people deserve no respect because > they have shown none to me or the other 3 million (they're > bragging about how widely they're spamming!) people they > have spammed. They send me a message of 17k and say if I > send them a message over 5k they'll automatically reflect > it 1000 times? > This stuff doesn't have anything to do with the first amendment. > We need to make this illegal! > How do I complain and get these guys access cut off? I received 2 identical 17k messages from these guys today. After receiving the first one, I followed their remove procedure and received a response from cyberpromo.com stating that orchid.com's account had been terminated on 4 Jan due to the above threats. I'm skeptical, but maybe it's really true. However, orchid.com will just migrate to another ISP, so we'll probably be harassed again. I might also complain to postmaster@ibm.net which appears to be involved in forwarding orchid.com's messages. whois reports the following, but it may be out of date. Complaints to postmaster@exodus.net, willyh@ORCHID.COM, etc. might help. Orchid Technology (ORCHID-DOM) 45365 Northport Loop West Fremont, CA 94538 Domain Name: ORCHID.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hertanu, Willy (WH11) willyh@ORCHID.COM (510) 683-0426 Record last updated on 17-Aug-95. Record created on 24-Aug-93. Domain servers in listed order: NS.EXODUS.NET 206.79.230.10 NS2.EXODUS.NET 207.82.198.150 Write your Congress members and ask them to sponsor a bill making unsolicited commercial junk email messages illegal like what has apparently been done for unsolicited commercial junk fax messages. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:50:14 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> Robert Iacullo writes: : jmiller wrote: : > : > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: : > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) : > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. Where can I buy one? Cheers...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <me@nextbox> Message-ID: <9701050308.AA00267@nextbox.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Kevin Coffee <me@nextbox> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 97 21:08:47 -0600 Subject: re: remote apps on Mac References: <199701031229.EAA28450@lists1.best.com> Take a look at the MacOS 7.x Sharing Setup control panel sometime. Users can allow remote access of applications, and this funtion is used for some administrative-type programs to advantage, c.f. the administration app for the WebStar http server (though the lastest WebStar rev also provides an interface via http, which is more economical.) However the central point (if I've followed this discussion correctly) is mainly true - because the MacOS uses cooperative multitasking. The efficiency of running applications over the network is weighted by the processes running on the remote host. You wouldn't like it if someone were (remotely) running Photoshop off your desktop machine... -Kevin On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Antigone List Manager wrote: > In article <19970101070158114990@peu1-115.m.eunet.de>, > Wolfgang Keller <wolfgang@amadeus.m.eunet.de> wrote: > >X-no-archive: yes > > > >Under MacOS, running applications remotely is not a standard > >built-in feature of the OS, and it is not reasonable to do this > >(via third-part utilities) either (for standard applications) > >because there is no possibility at all to work with more than one > >user at a time on a Mac. Running applications remotely doesn't > >make any sense on a single-user OS.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 6 Jan 1997 00:01:45 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5apfd9$r0d@duke.squonk.net> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) wrote: > Yes, sendmail is complex. > It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex > it can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it > is now one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able > to find still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will > be hard to find bugs. I believe that the first time I heard this fantasy from a Unix wizard was probably around 1987. It's nice that some things stay the same. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 01:50:06 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> NNTP-Posting-User: b7fe697fc47f6ef7093c87732e2a5b740 lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: >Robert Iacullo writes: >: jmiller wrote: >: > >: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? >: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > Where can I buy one? > Cheers.. Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: "We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand megahertz or a gigahertz." (http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest mainframe/any cpu?
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 6 Jan 1997 03:27:57 GMT Organization: Kuentos Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >>Robert Iacullo writes: >>: jmiller wrote: >>: > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >> Where can I buy one? >> Cheers.. > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand >megahertz or a gigahertz." >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >mainframe/any cpu? > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super computers are not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. They are about multitentacled, multprocessor monsters with lotsa processors running in parallel, talking to each other through buses that zip gigabytes per sec. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:31:40 +1030 From: dwareing@adelaide.on.net (David Wareing) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Distribution: inet Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <dwareing-3012962231400001@ppp136.adelaide.on.net.au> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <32C04323.2A0B@bhip.infi.net> <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net> Organization: Weyland Yutani - Building Better Worlds In article <32c0b947.56680464@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: >Richard Fleming <rhflem@bhip.infi.net> wrote: > >>Lance Togar wrote: >>> And it caught on so well that 9 out 10 computer purchases aren't MACs. >>> But then, what do the rest (read vast majority) know. We're all just >>> sloshing around throwing our money away on non MAC computers because >>> we haven't seen the light. >>> >>> Oh well.... >> >>Cockroaches are more numerous than humans. That does not make them a >>higher life form! Oh Well... > >Ok, lets see. They've been on the planet a LOT longer than we have. >They take good care of their young - all of 'em. They spend very >little time killing each other. They've survived ALL of our high tech >attempts at extermination. Sounds like a success story to me and to >someone on the outside looking in, it might very well appear that THEY >have the upper hand. Doesn't sound like you're in much of a position >to judge life forms so... it's back to computers. >Oh, well.... Ok, we'll accept your fluffy New-Age arguments and concede that you (and David Suzuki) are inferior to cockroaches and blue-green algae. However, I am better than a cockroach and as such I'm more discerning when it comes to choosing a GUI. I want NeXTStep with *some* Apple technologies (e.g. QuickTime, Sprockets) thrown in. Eventually, I want a brand new GUI that completely replaces the desktop metaphor. -- David Wareing dwareing@adelaide.on.net Belair, South Australia http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/~dwareing/ Macintosh Games Development Junk e-mail me at your own risk Get Swoop at http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/Ambrosia_Products/Swoop.html Get Bubble Trouble at http://bubble-trouble.com/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701051651.LAA18669@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: e02c66cbfce9d8328b20e4e745dbfaac - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 97 11:51:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: e02c66cbfce9d8328b20e4e745dbfaac - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Original Date: 4 Jan 1997 17:54:41 GMT > I, too, received this rude mailing. Is there anything we can do > with this info to prevent future mailings? Sure, use procmail create an ASCII file with the email addresses. Save it as .killbyfrom put this in .procmailrc: # This is where it begins SENDER=`formail -rtzxTo:` :0 * ? grep -s -i -w "$SENDER" $HOME/.killbyfrom /dev/null # This is where it ends (note: if the file gets really large, you'll have to use the GNU grep, which can handle larger files.) I've been doing this for quite awhile now, it works quite nicely. You can get procmail precompiled for NeXTStep here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/procmail.3.11pre4.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/procmail.3.11pre4.README NOTE: unsolicited email is illegal, because it takes your resources to download it. NOTE2: sendmail 8.8.x has built-in functionality to bounce email from users & domains, see http://www.nepean.uws.edu.au/users/david/pe/blockmail.html for more. Anyone who gets more than 5 messages per day should learn procmail. It's pretty easy once you have the basics down, and there's a GREAT!!! mailing list of really cool people use know procmail so well it's sometimes scary TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 97 12:05:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) Original Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 00:54:12 GMT > >And as for the original article that started this thread, it > >seemed like an obvious troll to me - I'm not sure why anyone > >deigned to respond. > > I'm sorry you took it that way. I originated this thread in order > to learn more about the practical aspects involved in adopting > NeXTStep now or later, and to find out the current status of > application support for a SOHO user. It was never meant as a troll. > Many people emailed me privately with useful advice, as a result of > which I now have a better understanding of the situation. I'm not sure exactly what is meant by "troll"..... If what was meant was "looking to find out" that's one thing, "looking to brag about what MS has" that's another. As for the first, there's nothing wrong with it. As for the second, if someone is bragging about MS, there's probably nothing we can do to help them. I read in PC Mag about a month ago a letter that said "What do so many people have against MicroSoft building quality apps and being successful. The software is great and Windows95 is the coolest thing I've ever seen." MS is huge because it succeeded in lowering everyone's expectations and making it think that MS developed apps, rather than copying them.... That said: invention is nice, but it only counts for so much. How many people would buy a Ford just because Henry Ford did the Model-T? If you invent something that's great, but you also have to continue working on it and get it out there. > One thing I learned is that most NeXTStep users today apparently do > not use the Internet from standalone, dialup ISP accounts. For this > reason, support for dial-on-demand Internet services is still > inadequate. NeXTStep 3.3 and GateKeeper.app can do dial on demand. There's also DialOnDemand.app that gives some of DOD functionality. It's there if you want to put the pieces together. Maybe it isn't as easy as you'd like it (I feel that way, not wanting to deal with DNS stuff on my own machine) but if you want it, it is there. Also: if you are looking to do WP-type stuff, use MS. NeXTStep is not good at doing WP-type stuff. If you want a consistent GUI, stable environment, total internet connectivity without expensive add-ons, tear-off menus, smart key accelerators that work right, and other stuff I can't think of, then use NeXTStep. If you need to use Word, get it and setup your machine to dual boot, one for MS when you want to word-process, and one for NeXTstep when you want a workstation. My NSHO TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: sputnik@aloha.net (Virgil) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: Re: €MacUser is looking for some advice Date: 6 Jan 1997 03:56:10 GMT Organization: Anonymous Net Surfer Message-ID: <sputnik-0501971822280001@oahu-599.u.aloha.net> References: <lance-ya023180002012960620450001@news.psnw.com> <steveax-ya023680002012962340450001@news.teleport.com> <lance-ya023180002112960858290001@news.psnw.com> <59s7kj$rb2@rainbow.rmii.com> <david-2612960456090001@annex1s48.urc.tue.nl> In article <david-2612960456090001@annex1s48.urc.tue.nl>, david@lookoutgfx.com (David Andriessen) wrote: **In article <59s7kj$rb2@rainbow.rmii.com>, blanche@rmi.net (Blanche Cohen) wrote: ** **> Lance Scott <lance@psnw.com> wrote: **> >http://www.next.com/Merger/MergerRelease.html **> **> >It's official...!! **> **> **> So - does this mean that Apple gets Pixar, too? **> ** **No, Pixar is a separate company. I guess there is a chance that RenderMan **will be part of the next MacOS perhaps in the form of a Quickdraw 3D **Render Plug-in because it's part of the NeXT OS. ** **Of course all this has to be ported to new OS before we can even start **thinking about it. At the moment though QD3D doesn't perform well at all, **even acceleration by 3D boards doesn't impress me. The amount of speed **increase you get from them are often surpassed by the next CPU speed **increase. Something is wrong inside that API or QD3D layer, don't ask me **what I'm not a programmer:) ** David, I have an Xclaim VR card which I installed into my Power Center 150 and I really notice the difference in speed in rendering into animation and applying texture maps. Maybe your using an older version of QD3D but the speed can be felt on other finder functions such as scrolling and opening up applications. If you want I can even give you my benchmarks before and after installing the card. **-- ** ** **david -- Virgil sputnik@aloha.net Livewire from Hawaii.....
From: Ones-And-Zeros@prodigy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ! MASS POST Was Here! (GmSNpA) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 05:40:07 GMT Organization: Mass Post Message-ID: <5aq38q$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> MASS POST--the program by Ones and Zeros--has been used to send this message to thousands of newsgroups. (GmSNpA)
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need help from users of Rasmol for NEXTSTEP Date: 6 Jan 1997 05:44:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5aq3g9$h71@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> I am desperately looking for somebody who might help in recompiling the NEXTSTEP version of RasMol to update it and implement some functionalities that have been added to the other versions (Mac, Windows, SGI, etc.). For those who may not know about RasMol, it is a molecular display freeware written by Roger Sayle of Glaxo Wellcome. He has generously shared the code with the scientific world (supposedly 30,000 visitors to the RasMol home page over last 9 months, most recent count). It has been compiled for just about any platform one can think of. The problem is I believe nobody is maintaining the NEXTSTEP version. I tried to compile the NEXTSTEP version from the source code, there did not appear to be any problems in compilation, but I am unable to get a graphics display on the window. I will give more detail to any chemist, biochemist, molecular biologist, ... inerested in helping out. -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin Physical Sciences Division, Pasadena City College 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106-2003 Phone: (818) 585-7147 Fax: (818) 585-7919 E-mail: (NeXTmail and MIME mail welcome) vbragin@nextlab.calstatela.edu vbragin@ix.netcom.com vbragin@paccd.cc.ca.us vbragin@pslc.ucla.edu **********************************************************
From: Tomaz Sustar <tomaz.sustar@jupiter.ntfmim.uni-lj.si> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to avoid printing banner pages ? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 07:08:01 +0100 Organization: Komunikacijsko Informacijski Servis SOU - KISS Message-ID: <32D096C1.69AC@jupiter.ntfmim.uni-lj.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using GSPrintFilter (great stuff !!! ) with HP LaserJet 4. My problem is that I don't know how to avoid printing banner pages. Any help will be appreciated. -- Thanks in advance Tomaz =============================================== Tomaz Sustar (Ljubljana / Slovenija) Private : Tomaz.Sustar@net.zaslon.si Work : tomaz.sustar@jupiter.ntfmim.uni-lj.si
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 02:02:22 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000601970202220001@news.tiac.net> References: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com>, luomat@peak.org wrote: > Also: if you are looking to do ... total internet connectivity ... then use NeXTStep. Flame shield on ;-): Now really. Failure to respond to the Internet explosion with NS mods was a NeXT goof. Recall that 4.X is Openstep, and apparently based on third party ports at that. If you want dial-up Internet connectivity in NS (and I've not upgraded to 4.X) you use third party apps. And they work pretty well. Specifically, PPP, Gatekeeper, pop3d, formail/procmail and Apache. Plus the bundled anonymous FTP. Hmmh. Not much from NeXT. Of course, without the third party apps I'd have dumped NS years ago. Where's the "it just works" NeXT-like solution? Socks? A neat firewall approach? Doesn't exist. Too much time lost configuring it (whatever you come up with). No approach for multiple low-use machines on a single low-cost account (I gather it exists on NT). Not that the Mac is any better. But Internet access on either platform has a long way to go. One would expect this for NS, given the marketing emphasis. The original poster (John De Hoag) is right on. Flame shield off. Barney
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: remote apps on Mac Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 02:13:31 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000601970213310001@news.tiac.net> References: <199701031229.EAA28450@lists1.best.com> <9701050308.AA00267@nextbox.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The question appears to be whether one can run remote apps better on NS than on Mac. A while ago I asked for info on whether one could really run NS apps over a wide area net (ie, outside the subnet the requesting machine is on). No one in the NeXT community posted a positive response and, in fact, my trials indicated it didn't work. Apparently it depends on mach rather than TCP/IP messages. Does this indiccate that the MacOS has an advantage (gasp ;-))? Barney
From: pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 6 Jan 1997 06:08:23 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <slrn5d1589.hp8.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <E3IJCx.1MA@micmac.com> In article <E3IJCx.1MA@micmac.com>, Michel Coste wrote: >In <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Felipe A. Rodriguez wrote: >> I just recieved a SPAM mail with the footer below which was the >> last straw. >I received the same... Now, surely you people with UNIX machines and access to telnet and sendmail and the like realize that you can just send these people a message that is apparently from them. Some people aren't smart enough to guard against such feedback... Someone with a "vacation" script was spamming me on a daily basis, so I fed his automailer a message which was tagged as from his site's postmaster... Worked well... Paul
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5aq38q$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Date: 6 Jan 1997 06:27:22 GMT Control: cancel <5aq38q$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5aq38q$3no6@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Sender: Ones-And-Zeros@prodigy.net Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: Kevin Palmer <kpalmer@neosoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 02:01:33 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Dallacqua wrote: > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > wrote: > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I read the article. Kevin Palmer fon 713-787-6828 pgr 281-725-6737 net kpalmer@neosoft.com URL www.neosoft.com/~kpalmer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: pwalter@mediahaus.de (Piers Uso Walter) Subject: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Message-ID: <E3K9H4.5M9@mediahaus.de> Sender: news@mediahaus.de (News System) Organization: Mediahaus Stroebel in Duesseldorf (Germany) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:31:52 GMT I tried sending this to howardd@swissbank.com (using the suggestion menu command of Opener.app), but the mail bounced. So if anybody knows Denises email (or the email address of the author of the hqx decoder of Opener.app), please forward this bug report. Thanks a lot. Piers Uso Walter ilink GmbH Piers_Walter@ilink.de -- Here's the bug: Sometimes I receive Emails with huge attachments (hqx files) sent from a Mac with Eudora. Everytime I doubleclick on one of these hqx files, the hqx decoder of Opener.app (Version 3.3 April 1995) uses up ALL virtual memory without producing any output files. Usually I've got between 500 and 800 MB of free disk space - the hqx decoder uses up all of this space for swapfile growth, there seems to be no end to its virtual memory requirements. I find it to be **extremely** unlikely that actually this amount of memory is needed to decode a 20 MB hqx file, so I suspect something is running astray. This bug always occurs with hqx files over 20 MB, it has happened to me with a 13 MB file once. Files in the 6 to 7 MB range never seem to trigger this bug.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) Subject: Re: Virtuoso All The Way! Re: Adobe Frame5 and Illustrator/Intel? Message-ID: <E3JH54.zn@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) Organization: NeXT Club Schwerte, Germany References: <5amii4$hhn@usc.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 14:19:52 GMT In article <5amii4$hhn@usc.edu> reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) writes: > In <5al3ka$4mq@sun.sirius.com> Nik Gervae wrote: > > So, with the big news, can anybody who knows anybody at Adobe or Omni > > tell us if there will be an OpenStep update to FrameMaker, and if > > they'll at least *recompile* Illustrator 3 on NextStep 3.3 so we can > > run it on our Intel boxes...? > > > Better Yet - Let's get Virtuoso back up on the developing board! I'll > take it any day over Illustrator! > I would confirm it too -- lets get back VIRTUOSO !!! MAnfred
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sun, 05 Jan 97 19:07:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5apps0$p4u@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> In article <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) wrote: >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >>Robert Iacullo writes: >>: jmiller wrote: >>: > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >> Where can I buy one? >> Cheers.. > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand >megahertz or a gigahertz." >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >mainframe/any cpu? > how big is the cache on this 1000mhz PPC? And how fast is the memory system of current system... For many things today its not the CPU that the problem, but the memory speed. Stephan
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:31:45 +1030 From: dwareing@adelaide.on.net (David Wareing) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Distribution: inet Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Message-ID: <dwareing-3112961531450001@ppp41.adelaide.on.net.au> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <carol1-2212961927330001@macip-ara-153.apple.com> <32be96c1.37286449@news.sover.net> <5a9aau$qmj@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net> Organization: Weyland Yutani - Building Better Worlds In article <32c86306.346996593@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: >christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >>|> >Apple then paid Xerox an enormous amount of stock for the rights >>|> >to many of their windowing/mice ideas. >> >>|> Xerox got screwed but it wasn't the first time. >> >>Xerox got $2 Million to $7 Million (depending on when they exercised >>their stock options) for no risk and a day's time of some of their R&D >>staff. You say they got screwed. Can you support that with anything >>more than just your opinion? >> >I haven't seen any support for the 2 - 7 million figure but let's say >it's right on. Xerox SHOULD have rented the widows/mice stuff in the >same way that MS rented BASIC. Very poor management decision. Xerox >got screwed - plain and simple. Xerox were the ones who made the supposed mistake*, yet you're blaming Apple for screwing them over? How does that work out? (*remember that they didn't have crystal balls in the early '80s. Neither you nor Xerox knew that Apple were going to totally revolutionize the industry. They did know however, that their stock was valuable, and thus took up an opportunity to get their hands on some -- at the time it would have made great sense. It's only with 20/20 hindsight that you can pass your judgement on Xerox). -- David Wareing dwareing@adelaide.on.net Belair, South Australia http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/~dwareing/ Macintosh Games Development Junk e-mail me at your own risk Get Swoop at http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/Ambrosia_Products/Swoop.html Get Bubble Trouble at http://bubble-trouble.com/
From: a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ZipDrive under Nextstep? Date: 6 Jan 1997 12:57:47 GMT Organization: Vienna University, Austria Message-ID: <5aqssb$ff8@www.univie.ac.at> Does anyone know if it is possible to run IOmegas ZipDrive under Nextstep? If so, how? Guenther
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Date: 6 Jan 1997 13:05:06 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aqta2$ee7@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr>, hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) writes: >>>Sendmail is everything. >>>It's dessert topping, a floor cleaner and a kitchen sink. >> >>>And because it's everything, it's so damn ugly. Complex, huge and >>>cryptic as hell. Making it extremely bug prone. > Yes, sendmail is complex. > It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it > can contains bugs. From what i heard, there might be some other programs for mail delivery, which might not be as ugly and insecure as sendmail, but with still a lot of power. qmail or exim perhaps. Bernhard Reiter
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:11:06 -0600 From: ergosing@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: Re: Chinese system. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <852433048.26448@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com> In article <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com>, edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) wrote: > > Hi! > > I want to access Chinese web page. Does anyone know where to get Chinese > system on NeXT. Do we have Chinese system on NeXT? Any information. > Thanks. > > Edward. Hi, Edward You can find a good Chinese software, NJStar at below address http://www.njstar.com Bye -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Favorite sendmail bugs Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Date: 6 Jan 1997 14:58:43 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5ar3v3$t4j@josie.abo.fi> References: <32BD0901.48ED@sfbayrun.com> <59kdkl$ohd@news4.digex.net> <E2vBuB.22J@micmac.com> <jinx6568-3012961209030001@news.sover.net> <32c95a03.169884656@mambo> <5a9vsr$4fs@camel5.mindspring.com> <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr> followups MASSIVELY pruned. Hugues RICHARD, in <5ah3a6$1ek@precipice.fdn.fr>: [...] >It is complex because it does a lot things. Since it is complex it >can contains bugs. But since it is useda lot on Internet, it is now >one of the most tested software on unix. You will be able to find >still new bugs but more the time will go on more it will be hard to >find bugs. how many years has it been, now? how many decades? the reason sendmail always has one more bug is that development still continues on it. *of course* there will be new bugs, as long as new code is still being added! >Now you can do lite version of sendmail, fo small servers. that would be by using some other MTA. sendmail is not without competition, you know. personally, i say if smail or qmail will do the job you want done, use one of them; use sendmail if and only if it'll do the job and no other package will. -- "...Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog just died..." - Leonard Cohen
From: Yvan Herreros <herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Configure.app ??? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 16:01:19 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Alsthom Recherche, Marcoussis, France Message-ID: <32D113BF.619D@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am trying to get a 8mm exabyte tape driver working with my non turbo slab, NS 3.1. The only answer that I get when using it is "IO error", even when using fixed/variable block size setting programs. While browsing the FAQ, I have once or twice readen that I should install the SCSI tape drivers with "Configure.app". My system doesn't include such an app. So my question is, does this advice only apply for white hardware, or for NS > 3.2 ? Otherwise, all suggestions about a secret trick needed to get an exabyte working on a slab (other than the fixed/variable block size one) are welcome. Thanks, -- +===========================================+ | | | Yvan Herreros | +---------------+ | Alcatel Alsthom Recherche | | A L C A T E L | | Route de Nozay | +---------------+ | 91460 Marcoussis | | A L S T H O M | | FRANCE | +===============+ | | RECHERCHE | tel: 33-(0)1-69.63.11.94 | | fax: 33-(0)1-69.63.18.12 | | e-mail: herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr | | | +===========================================+
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Date: 6 Jan 1997 15:13:21 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5ar4qh$t4j@josie.abo.fi> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> followups pruned. crobato@kuentos.guam.net, in <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net>: >In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: >>By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >>mainframe/any cpu? >Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. i understand the DEC Alpha ships in a 500MHz version. >It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super >computers are not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. that, and I/O. reliability is what clustering technologies specialize in, VAX/VMS clusters and the like. mainframes to some extent also - i heard IBM ships/shipped an MVS mainframe where you could change a faulty CPU on the fly. -- "...Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog just died..." - Leonard Cohen
From: skappel@intranetsol.com (Steve Kappel) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:05:56 GMT Organization: IntraNet Solutions, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ar7t4$6qv@misery.millcomm.com> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.hawaii.edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> In article <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, zapster@ibm.net writes: >In <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com>, "Frank Chu" <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >>I have never seem a low chip such as PPC CPUS. I won't run a PMac since >>it runs that shitty MacOS. IBM's PPC runs a version of NT with nearly >>no applications available, and for the price of a System/6000(PPC CPU) >>running AIX I can get a SUN Sparc running Solaris with 50% more performance >>or even that newest O2 SGI. A SMP dual Pentium PRO200 with 512k cache >>onboard running ULTRA FAST Unixs like Solaris, BSD, Linux or SCO costs only >>half of those over priced shitty machines! PPC CPUs can really eat shit. > >Umm, I highly doubt sun makes anything that can beat an RS/6000 system >running with 512 processors... The IBM PowerParallel system is one of >the fastest, if not the fastest, generally available mainframe one can buy. >Solaris is also an extremely slow OS, it blows. So lesse, I have my IBM >RS/6000 PowerParalell with 512 processors and 16 gigs of ram. Lesse, You will be forgiven for your IBM-centric view. You are right in that Sun doesn't make it (yet). However, there are SPARC and Solaris platforms from other vendors that do. Try http://endeavor.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/fpcrf/e/ap1000.html which is about the Fujitsu AP1000 that supports up to 1024 SuperSPARCs. By slow Solaris you apparently have an outdated view, perhaps 4-5 years ago in the Solaris 2.0/2.1/2.2 days. Solaris 2.5 is very fast. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel@intranetsol.com IntraNet Solutions, Inc. http://www.intranetsol.com/~skappel 9625 West 76th Street skappel@winternet.com Eden Prairie, MN 55344
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:12:53 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32d13df1.15751259@news.sover.net> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5apps0$p4u@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: >In article <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) wrote: >>lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: >> >>>Robert Iacullo writes: >>>: jmiller wrote: >>>: > >>>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >>>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >>>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? >> >>>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. >> >>> Where can I buy one? >>> Cheers.. >> >>Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: >>"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand >>megahertz or a gigahertz." >>(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) >> >>By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest >>mainframe/any cpu? >> > > how big is the cache on this 1000mhz PPC? And how fast is the memory > system of current system... For many things today its not the CPU that > the problem, but the memory speed. > > Stephan > And that really is the point. The Exponential stuff is worthless without cache that can keep up and there is none at a reasonable price. Eventually, the data needs to got to main RAM - same problem. All this is so much fodder for the clueless types who equate CPU clock rates OR types to system speed.
From: brian@cadaver.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian Glaeske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: What happened to SimonSays Date: 6 Jan 1997 20:20:51 GMT Organization: NDSU ACM Message-ID: <5armr3$do7@daily-planet.nodak.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This will probably get lost in the Apple-NeXT discussion, but... Does anyone know what happened to the SimonSays (or SimonSez) product for the NeXT? It was a product that did speech activated macros. I always thought is was a cool program to show people, but lost it a couple of year ago because of a disk failure. If anyone has any information on it, please send me e-mail. Thanks, -- Brian Glaeske brian@cadaver.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copy Microsoft software freely. It is the only way to destroy it.
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 6 Jan 1997 12:24:16 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5aqqtg$153@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <SHAFFER.97Jan5221217@durer.phyast.pitt.edu> In article <SHAFFER.97Jan5221217@durer.phyast.pitt.edu> shaffer@durer.phyast.pitt.edu (C. David Shaffer) writes: > >GateKeeper (a PD or shareware app on peak and peanuts) claims to >support dial-on-demand (you must get the DoD version as well as a >different version of BIND). I have not tested it, just read the docs. >I don't use GateKeeper for other reasons but if you need DoD then I >think it should be a good solution assuming that it works. > >David Shaffer >Department of Physics >Wayne State College >Wayne, NE 68787 >dshaffer@wscunx1.wsc.edu > > > Just to clarify matters, GateKeeper is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License. I ask for a fee only if you need my help configuring the app. Dial on Demand works and it works well so long as your provider does not have a consistent busy signal. If GateKeeper/PPP does not establish the connection within the first or second attempt the resolver queries will timeout. Netcom has gotten pretty good of late and so it works about 3/4 of the time for me. Last I heard the demand feature had not yet been added to PPP. When it is, I will modify GK to support this instead of the more complex BIND based mechanism GK now uses. snip -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GSPrintFilter: banner pages ? Date: 6 Jan 1997 22:15:05 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5arth9$mr@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <32D096C1.69AC@jupiter.ntfmim.uni-lj.si> In article <32D096C1.69AC@jupiter.ntfmim.uni-lj.si> Tomaz Sustar <tomaz.sustar@jupiter.ntfmim.uni-lj.si> writes: > I'm using GSPrintFilter (great stuff !!! ) with HP LaserJet 4. Thanks. > My problem is that I don't know how to avoid printing banner pages. Known bug in version 1.11. The fix can pretty much be done by hand with NetInfoManager or modifying the GSPrinterFilter.postinstall script (and executing it again). Here's my notes on the newest version: HISTORY 1.12 - Modularized GSPrintFilter into 3 separate packages: binaries, setup documentation, and fonts. * Fixed typo in GSPrintFilter.postinstall so that a 'burst page' no longer prints a garbage 1st page before actual printjob. The script SHOULD set the printcap variable sh (to false), not sb. Note: similar symptoms as this occur sometimes when using NeXT's Parallel port driver, especially when printouts stop after just a few pages. - Compiled against Xnext X11R6 libs (succesfully, this time). - Added drivers: lbp8, lips3, lj250 (and alternate declj250), oki182, okiibm, st800. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701061355.IAA06511@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199701060702.CAA00354@mailnfs0.tiac.net> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 08:55:08 -0500 Subject: NeXT's Internet capabilities vs Others' (Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps?) Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> <199701060702.CAA00354@mailnfs0.tiac.net> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Original Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 02:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <199701060702.CAA00354@mailnfs0.tiac.net> > Where's the "it just works" NeXT-like solution? True enough on those points you mention, but does Win* have these abilities built in? I've seen add-on apps for being able to _telnet_ to your Win* machine. I can do that on my NeXT without any add-ons. I've seen add-ons for being able to ftp.... I can do that without any add-ons (although I prefer them). I've yet to see rsh/rlogin abilities on any Win* machine.... These basic Internet functions are things I use daily. There are other niceties like being able to set up other user accounts so someone else can login and compile programs. > Socks? A neat firewall approach? Doesn't exist. Too much time > lost configuring it Again, is NeXT any worse on these areas than Win*? I don't know, I don't use Win* stuff. I'm not saying it is perfect, believe me. I'm just saying that when it comes out of the box it has a lot better of a starting point than anything else I have seen. I could be wrong, it's just my observations.... TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pretty icons? Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 22:48:56 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9701062148.AA24816@basil.icce.rug.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In article <19970105024000.VAA08188@ladder01.news.aol.com>, willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) wrote: > I upgraded my Cube on a new hard drive from 2.1 to 3.1, and was shocked to > see a NeXTStation icon for the root directory. I put in Cube tiffs for > .dir.tiff and .opendir.tiff, and they appear properly when I'm logged in > as root, but not for the me account. Try replacing /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/root.tiff /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/openRoot.tiff with the cube icons. Hope this helps, Tom "Mr. BlackIcons:-)" Hageman -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable __/ _/_/ from a perl script" -- Larry Wall, mangled
From: Frank <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:18:07 -0500 Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eagle@serv.net Robert Iacullo wrote: > > jmiller wrote: > > > > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > -- > > Robert S Iacullo > President-Amiga Users Society Eastside > eagle@serv.net http://www.serv.net/~eagle > TeamAMIGA Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million transistors!!! Plus, a fully configured Pentium200 can be had for under $1500, can you get the same price/performance with a >180mhz< 604e PPC chip computer?! Which costs at least 3 times that amount! Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit
From: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ZipDrive under Nextstep? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:53:01 GMT Organization: Arkona, LLC Message-ID: <32d18d91.75968216@news.xmission.com> References: <5aqssb$ff8@www.univie.ac.at> a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at () wrote: >Does anyone know if it is possible to run IOmegas ZipDrive under Nextstep? > >If so, how? Provided it's a SCSI one (if its not, you are out of luck), it's a simple as: 1. Assign it a free SCSI id 2. Power down NEXTSTEP and turn off your machine 3. Plug the Zip into your SCSI chain, making sure termination is setup correctly. 4. Power up the machine and log into NEXTSTEP... ...And "it just works". You can now read/write DOS, Macintosh and NEXTSTEP formatted Zip disks. Couldn't be easier. NEXTSTEP works pretty much the same for any SCSI type device. Keep in mind though, that Iomega hasn't released any "tools" software for NEXTSTEP, so you can't do things like read/write protect your Zip disks from NEXTSTEP. You can find more (really good) info at: http://www.radical.com/TheHome/TheSolutions/RadicalSolution4.html Cheers, John Zollinger Software Engineering Director Arkona, LLC john_zollinger@arkona.com
From: exfjnzl@rbf.apfh.rqh (Ravi K. Swamy) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT/Apple - the gaming connection Date: 2 Jan 1997 20:57:49 GMT Organization: Gunsmith Cats Distribution: inet Message-ID: <slrn5co8ad.cin.exfjnzl@c01021-111poe.eos.ncsu.edu> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <rickeym-2112960024540001@10.0.2.15> <32bc1ce3.1530537@snews2.zippo.com> <01bbf053$9ee3c660$ea4fb7ce@interaccess> <jinx6568-2312960111120001@news.sover.net> <slrn5btng2.18n.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32BF77BC.1278@datadepot.com> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <59smld$bv5@duke.squonk.net> <59tbt5$6md@news.ycc.yale.edu> <59udsj$1ms@duke.squonk.net> In article <59udsj$1ms@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn wrote: >abergman@pantheon.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman) wrote: >> Garance A Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu) wrote: >> : >> : What was the game done by Trilobyte? Was that _Myst_? >> >> Dunno. Myst was done using Hypercard (roughly) on a Mac, however. > >Well, I didn't think it was _Myst_, but I don't know enough about >the gaming-world to remember what games were developed on NeXTSTEP. >I only remember Doom because the guys in the CS department used to >play it on Friday nights (now they play Quake instead, but I doubt >that was developed on NeXTSTEP). After Doom and Quake, the only Parts of Quake were written on NeXTSTEP. I don't know how much, but look at ftp.cdrom.com /.5/idgames/idstuff/quake/qe_dev.gif for a picture of their NeXTSTEP based level editor. >In case people are wondering, these games were not developed using >any NeXTSTEP-specific API's. As I understand it, the companies >just liked NeXTSTEP because the machine didn't crash when they >tripped over bugs during the development phase. I imagine both >games were developed using C++ or perhaps straight C. John Romero, one of the main guys at id software used to have a .plan file that said "To get the entire world running NeXTSTEP" so I think he liked it for more reasons other than that it was stable. Ravi -- Ravi K. Swamy http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rkswamy/www/ rkswamy at eos.ncsu.edu root@genom.com
From: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PGP binary Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:07:08 GMT Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <5as43c$ee0@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> I'd like to install CryptorBundle on my NS 3.3 Mail.app. I've just gnabbed version 1.3 from the Peak archive. However, it doesn't include PGP (thanks to the FBI etc). The docs say that I can find it "on the archives". Well, I've just spent about an hour chasing around with Archie but havn't found a usable source set yet. One doc file on Peanuts gives a diff needed to make PGP2.62's random.c compile under NeXTSTEP, but I havn't found the sources yet. If anyone has a Intel PGP binary handy that they could send me by NeXTMAIL, that'd save me more fooling around with this. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Psychology Dept. Univ. of Alberta Network manager, Web manager, and postmaster. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome) http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/staff_bios/gary.finley.htmld/
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Date: 6 Jan 1997 17:18:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5arc5i$84u@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <5aloae$sr1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5am7nb$14l@boursy.news.erols.com> <5ame9n$skp@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <E3Jw8C.Htv@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <5ap5a9$k23@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> On Saturday, I posted a response to 2 large SPAMs that were occurring. I posted whois information indicating that he.net serves the domain that was apparently responsible for forwarding the SPAMs. But it appears that he.net wasn't involved (see http://www.ca-probate.com/yuri.htm and news.admin.net-abuse.email for details). Mike Leber of he.net has asked that I post this information so that further complaints won't be directed to he.net but to ibm.net which appears to be the ISP who did nothing to deal with this large SPAM for several days despite many complaints. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: Michael Taylor <mtaylor@aw.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 19:19:06 -0500 Organization: Alias|Wavefront Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Palmer wrote: > > Jeff Dallacqua wrote: > > > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > > wrote: > > > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? > > -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in > Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I > read the article. I'm sure that 7th guest was made with 3DStudio. I'm not sure about 11th Hour though. This is the first I've heard of 7th Guest having anything to do with NEXTSTEP. Not that I'm an expert on the subject. Quake on the other hand was definately developed using both NEXTSTEP and Power Animator (on SGI's). I've got a screen capture of a NeXT desktop of a Quake developer from Id Software somewhere. Here it is. To see the level editor under NEXTSTEP try: ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake/qe_dev.gif /\/\ike Dislaimer: My opinions are my own, yada yada -- /\/\ike Taylor | Mail: mtaylor@aw.sgi.com Alias|Wavefront Toronto | Voice: (416) 362-8558 x8740 Developer, API Team =D--' http://reality.sgi.com/mtaylor
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:22:28 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5d35q1.5bc.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> >Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz >and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can >they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 >million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! >How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million >transistors!!! Um, while you're right that Mhz is a meaningless statistic, so is number of transistors. The only way to compare cpu's is with meaningful benchmarks (and there are plenty of meaningless ones to stay away from as well). Next someone will start talking about color... >MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Our point is still the same, this is a stupid argument that does nothing but show the world that you don't care to think about things too hard. "Can eat shit" may win arguments on the playground, but in all honesty, I've won more arguments with "is too/is not" repetitions. Big deal, I'm happy with my 486, nice and speedy. -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: rraman@site.gmu.edu (Ravishankar Ramanathan (CSI)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: WTB: NEXTSTEP 3.3 Academic Date: 5 Jan 1997 17:35:06 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <5aoooa$ls7@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am looking for a copy of the NEXTSTEP OS/DEV Academic for NeXT black hardware. Please e-mail me with pricing info (incl. FedEx 2 day shipping.) Thanks -Ravi
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 01:07:59 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0601970107590001@ascend25.netrover.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> In article <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no>, lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: €Robert Iacullo writes: €: jmiller wrote: €: > €: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: €: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) €: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? € €: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. € € Where can I buy one? € Cheers... Go to http://www.exp.com and place your order. They will be demonstrating the X704 at MacWorld. Or, if you can't get one yet, you can always go for a quad-604e @ 200Mhz UMAX system. (That's four 604e each @ 200Mhz.) What was your Intel at? 200Mhz? Hahahaha... -- GO Mac GO!!!
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:55:31 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5araq3$r4g@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> <jbf-ya023580000601970202220001@news.tiac.net> jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) wrote: > In article <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com>, luomat@peak.org wrote: > > > Also: if you are looking to do ... total internet connectivity ... > then use NeXTStep. > > Now really. Failure to respond to the Internet explosion with NS > mods was a NeXT goof. Recall that 4.X is Openstep, and apparently > based on third party ports at that. According to a recent article in the _San Jose Mercury News_, NeXT has been trying to sell its operating system since last summer so that it could concentrate on OPENSTEP/NT and WebObjects. Apparently, the Santa Cruz Operation (SCO) was approached, but no deal resulted. This seems consistent with the prereleases of OPENSTEP/Mach 4.0, the first of which included UI enhancements, but the remainder of which reverted to the NS 3.3 UI. OPENSTEP/Mach lost several capabilities of NS 3.3, so it seems apparent that NeXT has been expending minimal resources on OPENSTEP/Mach as it was deemphasizing this product. So it's not surprising that lack of native Internet connectivity support is included. I expect that to change with the Apple acquisition. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Pretty icons? Date: 7 Jan 1997 03:00:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970107025800.VAA16642@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <9701062148.AA24816@basil.icce.rug.nl> The difficulty turned out to be that I'd neglected/forgotten to set the read permissions on the files--doing that as was suggested via e-mail by John H|rnkvist--he also mentioned the nifty trick about /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/root.tiff, as did Tom Hageman. If I missed this sort of thing in the FAQ, I'm sorry--if it's not there, it should be added, no? Thanks again to everyone who helped out! William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ZipDrive under Nextstep? Date: 7 Jan 1997 03:19:13 GMT Organization: Cygnus Support Message-ID: <5asfbh$i5f@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5aqssb$ff8@www.univie.ac.at> Cc: a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at In <5aqssb$ff8@www.univie.ac.at> a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to run IOmegas ZipDrive under Nextstep? > > If so, how? > > Guenther > > Yes, I have one. It's literally plug and play. No driver support needed. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com (ex- kzin@email.sjsu.edu) =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Spammers: I charge you for my time, disk, and bandwidth if you post off- topic solicitations for money in the groups I read. $500/post/group.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701061532.KAA08382@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 925f7b7e6aa53036e8fdaf9e7d766557 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 10:31:59 -0500 Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 925f7b7e6aa53036e8fdaf9e7d766557 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) Original Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 04:55:23 GMT > Subject says it all, just wondering what it might be, and where I > could get it from . "best" is such a relative term on these groups, I'll point you to OmniWeb ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5/OmniWeb.2.1.5.N.tar.gz which is "best" for me because it is free and wildly supported. It will require the FoundationUserPatch from NeXTanswers, which is linked to my NeXT web page, which I bet you can find, especially if you refer to my .sig ;-) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701061547.KAA08512@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 3fa0e803ac16ee9fa74d9a851a64adb3 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 10:47:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Cc: far@ix.netcom.com References: 3fa0e803ac16ee9fa74d9a851a64adb3 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Original Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:03:31 GMT > Not in Mail.app, but in the mail-delivery. Put a file '.forward' in > your home dir and enter > '|/somepath/spam-filter' > > ------------ An example of spam-filter Just a note of warning: writing your own mail filter is rather dangerous, there are a lot of issues to consider, file locking, permissions, what if the system crashes before it finishes, etc. Using procmail requires some time spent learning, but the process itself is rather time tested and they have thought about and solved more issues than most people would ever even think of (at least more than I ever would have!) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701061553.KAA08554@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: b78c5b43aac3ae157554d657a64c7e86 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 10:53:02 -0500 Subject: Re: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com, deniseh@nntp.best.com References: b78c5b43aac3ae157554d657a64c7e86 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: pwalter@mediahaus.de (Piers Uso Walter) Original Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:31:52 GMT > I tried sending this to howardd@swissbank.com (using the suggestion > menu command of Opener.app), but the mail bounced. Denise has probably already responded to you if she has seen this post, but just in case she is uncharacteristically absent, her address is: deniseh@nntp.best.com All hail the Opener-goddess ;-) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701061540.KAA08464@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 2b451147676e8ce217d2d41a33c4e3b4 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 10:40:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Changing Object Icons in NeXTSTEP? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 2b451147676e8ce217d2d41a33c4e3b4 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Original Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 10:34:10 +0000 > What is the process for changing icons for apps, documents, > folders, etc... depends: apps: use 'segedit' Say you want to change the icon for "MyApp.app" to be "myTiff.tiff" prompt> cd /path/to/MyApp.app # where you will find the file "MyApp" prompt> segedit MyApp -replace __ICON app appicon.tiff -o MyApp.new prompt> mv MyApp MyApp.original # save the original in case something hosed prompt> mv MyApp.new MyApp Changing the ICONS for DOCUMENTS probably includes the same thing in a different tune, but I don't know how to do it. You could do this process easier with SegHoarker: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/devtools/SegHoarker.1.0.0.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/devtools/SegHoarker.1.0.0.README Changing ICONS for FOLDERS is really simple. Drop a 48x48 tiff (I think that's the right size) in the folder and name it .dir.tiff. Drop another one in as '.opendir.tiff' and that one will be used when you drag something over the folder's icon. There is a mailing list called "next-icon@gun.com" for these tiffs. They also have an archive. You can find some of it here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/graphics/icons/next-icon@gun.com-1Q95.tar.gz And I believe it is also on the Walnut Creek CD and I know it is on the brand new Big Green 3-CD set . checkout http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/NeXT-CDs.html for more info on the CDs TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: George Graves <gmgraves@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:52:47 +0000 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D149F8.6070@earthlink.net> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5apps0$p4u@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <32d13df1.15751259@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance Togar wrote: > > t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: > > >In article <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) wrote: > >>lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >> > >>>Robert Iacullo writes: > >>>: jmiller wrote: > >>>: > > >>>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >>>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >>>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > >> > >>>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >> > >>> Where can I buy one? > >>> Cheers.. > >> > >>Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: > >>"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand > >>megahertz or a gigahertz." > >>(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > >> > >>By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > >>mainframe/any cpu? > >> > > > > how big is the cache on this 1000mhz PPC? And how fast is the memory > > system of current system... For many things today its not the CPU that > > the problem, but the memory speed. > > > > Stephan > > > And that really is the point. The Exponential stuff is worthless > without cache that can keep up and there is none at a reasonable > price. Eventually, the data needs to got to main RAM - same problem. > All this is so much fodder for the clueless types who equate CPU > clock rates OR types to system speed. True, but there are ways around this problem, ask Silicon Graphics with their new "O2" machines. George Graves
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Greg Lindholm <gsl@netcom.com> Subject: Netscape plug-in for Nextmail? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <32D1CA12.50D4@netcom.com> Sender: gsl@netcom7.netcom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 03:59:14 GMT Has anyone heard of a Netscape Mail plug-in for Nextmail? If so can you tell me where I can get it? TIA
From: "Kevin P. Hannan" <khannan@ibm.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 01:34:15 -0500 Organization: AutoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <32D1EE67.4BEC@ibm.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <5aigpk$mft@nntp1.best.com> <5amqvj$4kv@gaea.titan.org> <32d2f893.921819456@snews.zippo.com> <5anu1c$j78@news.bctel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: > > dehoog@bc.mbn.or.jp (John De Hoog) wrote: > >andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > > >One thing I learned is that most NeXTStep users today apparently do > >not use the Internet from standalone, dialup ISP accounts. For this > >reason, support for dial-on-demand Internet services is still > >inadequate. > > There is a shareware app called the Simple Internet Starter Kit that offers a > GUI for configuring PPP on Nextstep. I used it before switching to a > dedicated T3 Ethernet connection. Also, Openstep 4.0 is supposed to have > better PPP support. > Yes OpenStep 4.0 has PPP built in. It is the same as the shareware versions. It does require some degree of setup, but once you get the chat scripts working everything runs great. Kevin P. Hannan
From: "Eddie Cejvan" <cejvane@post.crc.cra.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:46:49 GMT Organization: CRA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> Frank <chu@ipoline.com> wrote in article <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com>... >The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 > million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! > How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million > transistors!!! Plus, a fully configured Pentium200 can be had for under > $1500, can you get the same price/performance with a >180mhz< 604e PPC > chip computer?! Which costs at least 3 times that amount! > > MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit > My suggestion is that you do some reading on the subject before you reply to Newsgroup posts. My mother used to say: "Better to be quiet and have people suspect your idiocy then to open your mouth a remove their doubt." If you can get your hands on BYTE November 1996 you might understand (depending on your IQ) the differences between CISC and RISC CPUs. Stated within is that a 603e running at 200MHz will outperform a Pentium Pro at the same speed. I will leave you with this thought: Reduced Instruction Set = Less Transistors = Lower Cost. You've just been shut up by Eddie Cejvan
From: tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Date: 7 Jan 1997 08:36:38 GMT Organization: Depts. of Physics and Chemistry, Univ. of Washington Message-ID: <5at1um$fok@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <199701061553.KAA08554@nerc.com> Cc: luomat@nerc.com Timothy J Luoma wrote: > Responding To: pwalter@mediahaus.de (Piers Uso Walter) > Original Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:31:52 GMT > > > > I tried sending this to howardd@swissbank.com (using the suggestion > > menu command of Opener.app), but the mail bounced. > > Denise has probably already responded to you if she has seen this > post, but just in case she is uncharacteristically absent, her > address is: > > deniseh@nntp.best.com > > All hail the Opener-goddess ;-) Amen, I say, AaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen! No one in this community is more deserving of praise, not even TJL himself, or the notorious "Lusty Wench" herself :) TLM -- ********** NOTICE CHANGE OF ADDRESS *************** _________________________________________________________________ Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Depts. of Chemistry and Physics 206-721-0754 (home/FAX) University of Washington 206-713-0326 (Work) Seattle, WA 98195 tlm@u.washington.edu Project Coordinator: Undergraduate Computational Engineering and Sciences http://uces.ameslab.gov/ _________________________________________________________________
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 7 Jan 1997 07:59:38 GMT Organization: "He wants to fight the dragon, he wants to kill the beast." Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> Frank <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz >and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can >they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 >million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! >How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million >transistors!!! They do it with better design. For example, PPCs do not sacrifice tons of transistors to emulate an outdated and long bygone CPU with 16 bit registers and an obsolete memory addressing model. For example, PPCs do not have to shift operands from register to register because certain instructions require their operands in certain registers. For example, PPCs do not have to access memory as often as Pentiums, because they have a decent number of general purpose registers. All this results in quite impressive performance. The highly respected german c't magazine ("c't - Magazin fuer Computertechnik, Heise publishing, Hannover") has benchmarked old Pentium processors against new MMX pentium processors using specialized, supposedly MMX friendly tasks relating with image processing. They also used special MMX optimized machine code for the MMX processors to make sure the new MMX chips run at optimal performance. Among the field of tested machines they also had a PPC based untuned Apple from the same price range as the Pentium machines tested for comparison. This PPC ran the same tests using normal machine generated native machine code. c't found that MMX can substantially improve the throughput of a Pentium for certain well optimized, very specialized applications. But the PPC was just as fast to substantially faster than the MMX for all cases tested by c't with normal, unoptimized code and without MMX extensions, which are not available for PPC yet. So the conclusion is that MMX fixes some special cases where the Pentium is broken by design, while the PPCs design is generally right. c't also found that the memory interface of the PPC machine was very unoptimized compared to the Pentium PCs tested and that quite impressive acceleration of PPCs would be possible if the PPC board had a similarly effective memory interface as the Pentium processors. This is not a matter of processor design, but addresses board designer issues instead. So another conclusion of the test was that while the PPC was outrunning the Intel machines in the test, it still was not running at full speed due to the comparatively lame memory interface. c't suggested that the PPC people also introduced MMX extensions to the PPC, but merely for marketing reasons: there is no technical need to screw up a nice, expandable and working design for some seldomly used special purpose application. Please note that these tests conducted by c't were using fixed point or integer arithmetics - things that the MMX extensions are supposedly specialized for. If the comparison had been made with FPU using applications, the Intels would have lost even higher due to their notoriously abysmal floating point performance. Please also note that Intels cannot combine MMX applications with FPU applications, because access to the FPU blocks the data path to the MMX extension hardware on the chip. This is true when switching between MMX and FPU within the same application, but it is also true when multitasking between pure MMX and pure FPU applications. The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking operating systems. >Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz >and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. The Alpha is a very nice processor, but also a severe case of trading memory for speed. Just compare code sizes of text and data segments for a statically linked GNU emacs on Linux for Intel processors, Linux for PPC and Linux for Alphas. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer
From: jmiller <jmiller@rogerswave.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 04:46:52 -0400 Organization: Rogers Communications Ltd. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Lasse Olsen <lolsen@hsr.no> Lasse Olsen wrote: > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > Where can I buy one? > Cheers... The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY.
From: suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de (Ralf Suckow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: 7 Jan 1997 09:58:49 GMT Organization: Alcatel/Bell Distribution: world Message-ID: <5at6oq$dr9@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <5a1fk7$lr2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes > On 12/27/96, YoungHoon Kil wrote: > > Try MusicBuilder 1.2: > > > An outstanding programme for generating music, however it doesn't have the > typesetting abilities of Caliope. > Yes, the score editing features of MusicBuilder are too primitive to use it to write scores as the main application. MusicBuilders strength is in generating music from scores (you can import them from MIDI files), but here I think the '030 is to slow to get anything really done. With the '040 it is usable, but only with Intel Pentiums (e.g. 133) performance is no issue anymore. Yours, ------------------------ Ralf.Suckow@bln.sel.alcatel.de | All opinions are mine.
From: spdwell@adnc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT help needed Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:21:19 -0800 Organization: adnc.com Message-ID: <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> I have a NeXT Cube with 3.2 in it. I need help telling this machine that in serial port A is a modem. How do I set up PPP? I'm using a 14.4 Practical Peripherals modem and a properly modified cable. Please help, send any information to ..............cward@adnc.com.............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com...................
From: yeh@frmap711.mathp7.jussieu.fr (E.C.Y.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Where can I get netscape screenshots? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 10:47:39 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Message-ID: <32d22436.7031861@news.spry.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As title. True-color preferred. Please e-mail me. Thank you and happy new year. E-C
From: Rainer Frohnhöfer Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: remote apps on Mac Date: 7 Jan 1997 11:52:10 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <5atdda$lve@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <199701031229.EAA28450@lists1.best.com> <9701050308.AA00267@nextbox.enteract.com> <jbf-ya023580000601970213310001@news.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) wrote: > The question appears to be whether one can run remote apps > better on NS than on Mac. > No one in the NeXT community posted a positive response and, in > fact, my trials indicated it didn't work. Apparently it depends on mach > rather than TCP/IP messages. > > Does this indiccate that the MacOS has an advantage (gasp ;-))? Nope. Just for fun we ran Mail.app on a NeXTcube in Hamburg and redirected the display to my machine in Würzburg (about 550 km away -- hell, I don't even know how far these places are apart :). Is that WAN enough? -Rainer. -- ------------------------------------- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (finger cip@mathematik for public key ...)
From: Marc Nagy <mnagy@freenet.npiec.on.ca> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 10:40:41 -0500 Organization: Zero Reality BBS Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D26E79.4D60@freenet.npiec.on.ca> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.Hawaii.Edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > processors. The PowerPC chip is a generartion ahead of the pentium. The > MacOS even hobbled by nonnative I/O routines can still keep up with the > Pentiums. The PowerPC was designed to have a hefty FPU. It is the role > of programmers to use it. Well, I'm in computer science at university and we use PowerPCs and Codewarrior software for JAVA programming. At home, I use a Pentium and my machine at home does circles around the PowerlessPC's at school as far as compiling time.
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:38:34 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5au1mq$itg@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <199701061553.KAA08554@nerc.com> <5at1um$fok@nntp1.u.washington.edu> tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > > All hail the Opener-goddess ;-) > > Amen, I say, AaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen! > > No one in this community is more deserving of praise, not even TJL > himself, or the notorious "Lusty Wench" herself :) Say, did Denise ever find that mystery dancer she was looking for, after a NeXT Expo rave a few years ago? ``That's very funny, |====================================================== Scotty. Now beam down | Joshua W. Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu my clothes.'' |======================================================
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Dec Quiz - last call ! Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:29:30 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5au15q$i0h@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for the SSS December quiz on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, please hurry! Deadline is January 15th. The winners - as always drawn by my nieces - will receive a free HelpViewer or LatinByrd license! Or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:09:04 -0500 Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0701970809040001@ascend17.netrover.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> In article <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com>, Frank <chu@ipoline.com> wrote: €Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz €and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can €they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 €million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! The 486 is CISC based and the X704 is RISC. The X704 will leave a 200PPro in the dust! €How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million €transistors!!! Plus, a fully configured Pentium200 can be had for under Transistors have absolutely nothing to do with raw processing speed. €Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz €and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. Too bad NT is not being supported on Alpha platforms...or _any_ RISC chip! €MY POINT IS STILL THE SAME: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Not as well as you can shovel it. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry, to sew, stitch together; a portion of an epic poem adapted for recitation; a highly emotional utterance or literary work: extravagant rapturous discourse, RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
From: Mark.A.Tarbell@jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Tarbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ZipDrive under Nextstep? Date: 7 Jan 1997 18:11:18 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA, USA Message-ID: <5au3k6$mll@starlight.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <5aqssb$ff8@www.univie.ac.at> Cc: a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at In <5aqssb$ff8@www.univie.ac.at> a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at wrote, in part: > Does anyone know if it is possible to run IOmegas ZipDrive under Nextstep? Check out this Iomega-recommended Zip / NeXT FAQ: http://www.radical.com/TheHome/TheSolutions/RadicalSolution4.html Mark
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple and dual-OS plan Message-ID: <8CFA1E9.09B8000047.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:09:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Apple Plans Dual Operating System, Using Mac With Software From Next 01/07/97 The Wall Street Journal Apple Computer Inc. sought to reassure customers and software developers that the company has no plans to jettison its current operating system as it moves toward a new system based on its recent Next Software Inc. acquisition. At a Macintosh trade show in San Francisco yesterday, Apple said that for the next several years it plans to pursue a "dual operating system" strategy that will offer machines with both its existing Macintosh operating system and its new Next-based system. Company officials would not be more specific about how long the dual-system offer will continue. Ellen Hancock, Apple's chief technology officer, said the new operating system -- code named "Rhapsody" -- will use some pieces of Next's system and others developed in-house. She told a group of Apple customers that while many existing Mac programs will run on the new operating system, software developers writing new programs for Rhapsody will need to use different techniques and tools than they do with the current Macintosh. Even when it begins selling machines with the new operating system, Apple will continue to make available its current operating system, known as System 7, Ms. Hancock said. System 7 should remain available for several years, she said. Industry analysts said Apple's new strategy is designed to make sure the company doesn't lose customers or software developers while it moves toward its new operating system. Some customers and developers had raised concerns the company would abandon its current operating system too quickly as it implements the Next-based system. Ms. Hancock also said that Apple may try to generate more revenue from its large software-engineering staff by charging money for many of the programs it currently gives away, such as Apple's QuickTime animation package. Apple expects to have a beta, or test, version of Rhapsody ready for software developers later this year, Ms. Hancock told the gathering. A customer version of the new software will be ready in 1998, she said. When she was asked whether Apple's software projections are believable, Ms. Hancock said, "I suggest you judge us by our performance." She said that two System 7 updates will be released this year, as the company promised. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Omniweb huge vsize ... ??? Date: 7 Jan 1997 19:18:22 GMT Organization: Universite Laval Message-ID: <5au7hu$3pt$1@athena.ulaval.ca> Greetings, I am experiencing very noticeable slower performance on my P100 when I run OW. The swapfile grows rapidly (with images) and the whole system sometimes gets paralysed to the poit where I have to kill OW (I cannot even quit from OW). Here is what ps gives me: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND .... antoine 492 63.9 3.3 806M 1.06M ? R 10:47 OmniWeb .... Any clues ? Should I modify my lowat ? btw, I have 31mb of ram. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------- Antoine Gautier (antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca) ------------------------------------------------------- Professeur, De'partement OSD Faculte' des Sciences de l'Administration Universite' Laval http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/gautiera/
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: douyang@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Darwin Ouyang) Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3nG0s.Gyy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:04 GMT Distribution: inet References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: >Frank <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >Please also note that Intels cannot combine MMX applications >with FPU applications, because access to the FPU blocks the >data path to the MMX extension hardware on the chip. This is true. Intel chips would be better if they had more registers, and an orthagonal instruction set. :( >The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking >operating systems. This is incorrect. Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. Darwin Ouyang
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 7 Jan 1997 21:51:32 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5augh4$q29@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> <jbf-ya023580000601970202220001@news.tiac.net> I'm a little confused about all these people who are conceding we lack "dial on demand" under NeXTstep, perhaps because I don't know what the Windoze world means by dial on demand. My 1994-vintage SLIP setup, courtesy of Louis Mamakos, is ancestral to the later NeXT freeware SLIP and PPP implementations, both of which were alleged to be much easier to set up than the three-hour hair-pull I went through when I set up my ancient version. (I have no first-hand experience with the PNI SLIP or PPP, because what I have has worked flawlessly for almost three years, and I didn't want to monkey with it.) Anyway, the setup I have now will hang up an unused line after a user-settable interval, and will bring up the SLIP line automatically whenever any app sends outgoing packets, unless I have specifically disabled it when I last brought it down. Unless there has been some weird retrogression, the two more modern packages almost certainly do the same thing. If this isn't "dial on demand", what is? Just wondering.... I like to go down to the pound and pretend +-----------------------------+ that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to | Joshua Burton 847/677-3902 | kill her anyway, because I already gave away | jburton@nwu.edu | her stuff. Dog people have no sense of humor. +-----------------------------+
From: Timothy Stonis <timothy@sirius.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Spice for NeXT Black... Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 14:04:02 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <32D2C852.4EA5@sirius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there is a version of Spice for NeXT? Thanks... _Tim.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071354.FAA13564@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: c87fb4a8fbe3e855ccf178dd1e60f3de - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 08:54:37 -0500 Subject: Re: ZipDrive under Nextstep? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: c87fb4a8fbe3e855ccf178dd1e60f3de - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: a9101322@unet.univie.ac.at () Original Date: 6 Jan 1997 12:57:47 GMT > Does anyone know if it is possible to run IOmegas ZipDrive under > Nextstep? Yes it is. I've heard people talk about doing so before. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071356.FAA13702@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 3db7b5e6fef9be4666e195d4b95363dd - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 08:55:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Configure.app ??? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 3db7b5e6fef9be4666e195d4b95363dd - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Yvan Herreros <herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Original Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 16:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: 3db7b5e6fef9be4666e195d4b95363dd - > While browsing the FAQ, I have once or twice readen that I > should install the SCSI tape drivers with "Configure.app". My > system doesn't include such an app. Configure.app is indeed for white hardware TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071402.GAA14728@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 6c044ce78784b209da048671f24352ee - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 09:02:01 -0500 Subject: Re: ZipDrive under Nextstep? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 6c044ce78784b209da048671f24352ee - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: john_zollinger@arkona.com (John Zollinger) Original Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:53:01 GMT > Keep in mind though, that Iomega hasn't released any "tools" > software for NEXTSTEP, so you can't do things like read/write > protect your Zip disks from NEXTSTEP. If you are on an Intel machine, someone is working on tools to do just this. Send me an email with the SUBJECT search-peak ziptool for the FTP URLs TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071405.GAA14873@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 9202ca3cada0c98cb68c2c59f48667db - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 09:04:47 -0500 Subject: Re: PGP binary Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 9202ca3cada0c98cb68c2c59f48667db - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) Original Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:07:08 GMT > I'd like to install CryptorBundle on my NS 3.3 Mail.app. I've just > gnabbed version 1.3 from the Peak archive. However, it doesn't > include PGP (thanks to the FBI etc). The docs say that I can find > it "on the archives". Well, I've just spent about an hour chasing > around with Archie but havn't found a usable source set yet. For US and *possibly* Canada http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html Others: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~staalesc/PGP TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071412.GAA15348@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 69d6b4e915ff9c9594bf143abd1ca7f2 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 09:11:49 -0500 Subject: Re: What happened to SimonSays Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 69d6b4e915ff9c9594bf143abd1ca7f2 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: brian@cadaver.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian Glaeske) Original Date: 6 Jan 1997 20:20:51 GMT > Does anyone know what happened to the SimonSays (or SimonSez) > product for the NeXT? > > It was a product that did speech activated macros. I always thought > is was a cool program to show people, but lost it a couple of year > ago because of a disk failure. It is a cool app. You can find the demo on PEAK. Send me an email with the SUBJECT search-peak simonsays for the FTP URLs TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701071409.GAA15157@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: f282e4e095d2a890303b92bc9e77b9bc - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 09:09:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Mail.app utility to do Junk Mail -> /dev/null Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: f282e4e095d2a890303b92bc9e77b9bc - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Original Date: 6 Jan 1997 17:18:42 GMT > Mike Leber of he.net has asked that I post this information so > that further complaints won't be directed to he.net but to ibm.net > which appears to be the ISP who did nothing to deal with this large > SPAM for several days despite many complaints. Members of the Spam Prevention mailing list (SPAM-L@eva.dc.LSOFT.COM) have been discussing this, and after a lot of complains, email and phone calls, IBM.net has finally stepped in to do something, but all agree it took them far too long to do the right thing here. TjL ps -- to subscribe to the list, send an email to 'LISTSERV@eva.dc.LSOFT.COM' with this command SUBSCRIBE SPAM-L Your Name and then confirm the response. Interesting list. I thought I hated SPAM til I met some of these people -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Awaiting Apple's NeXTStep
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Date: 7 Jan 1997 22:45:43 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-i-56.usc.edu Message-ID: <5aujmn$k4l@usc.edu> References: <199701061553.KAA08554@nerc.com> <5at1um$fok@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <5au1mq$itg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Cc: jburton@nwu.edu In <5au1mq$itg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > > Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > > > > All hail the Opener-goddess ;-) > > > > Amen, I say, AaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen! > > > > No one in this community is more deserving of praise, not even TJL > > himself, or the notorious "Lusty Wench" herself :) > > Say, did Denise ever find that mystery dancer she was looking for, > after a NeXT Expo rave a few years ago? Has Denise responded to this flame yet? 8-) -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 6 Jan 1997 23:15:54 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5as13a$22h@usenet.rpi.edu> References: 6e7b3469a45b0f9f0d83a98706255e43 - <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > > And as for the original article that started this thread, it > > seemed like an obvious troll to me - I'm not sure why anyone > > deigned to respond. > > I'm not sure exactly what is meant by "troll"..... If what was > meant was "looking to find out" that's one thing, "looking to > brag about what MS has" that's another. It's an article posted to get a lot of furor going, where the poster doesn't really care about getting answers for any of the questions presented in it. Or the person says something inflammatory, just so lots of people will get all worked up and waste their time writing long rebuttals to the article. I don't remember the article to say whether I thought it was "a troll" or not, I'm just saying what is meant by that term. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: jacob@dannug.dk (Jacob Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Configure.app ??? Date: 7 Jan 1997 20:43:09 GMT Organization: DanNUG -- Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <5aucgt$v9@jnext.dannug.dk> References: <32D113BF.619D@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Cc: herreros@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr In <32D113BF.619D@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr> Yvan Herreros wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to get a 8mm exabyte tape driver working > with my non turbo slab, NS 3.1. > The only answer that I get when using it is "IO error", > even when using fixed/variable block size setting programs. Have you terminated the tape drive ? > While browsing the FAQ, I have once or twice readen that I > should install the SCSI tape drivers with "Configure.app". My > system doesn't include such an app. So my question is, does > this advice only apply for white hardware, or for NS > 3.2 ? You don't need Configure.app on black hardware! > Otherwise, all suggestions about a secret trick needed to get > an exabyte working on a slab (other than the fixed/variable > block size one) are welcome. I've seen SafetyNet.app work with an Exabyte and it was plug'n'play, but other than that I have no suggestions :-( Regards, Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen PGP-keyID: 1F0F3839 Email (NeXT, MIME and SUN) jacob@dannug.dk Maintainer of NEXTSTEP Software Reviews http://www.dannug.dk/jacob & My own home page :-) http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob
From: lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 7 Jan 1997 23:38:21 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aumpd$dtb@doffen.uninett.no> Darwin Ouyang writes: : In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, : Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: : >The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking : >operating systems. : This is incorrect. : Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do : not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a : task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. However, it has a helluva impact on FPU performance - what's that, 70 to 100 cycles to clear the pipeline after MMX operands? Cheers...
From: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Date: 8 Jan 1997 00:08:15 GMT Organization: Best Internet Communications Message-ID: <5auohf$77r@nntp1.best.com> References: <199701061553.KAA08554@nerc.com> <5at1um$fok@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <5au1mq$itg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton (jburton@nwu.edu) wrote: : tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: : > Timothy J Luoma wrote: : > : > > All hail the Opener-goddess ;-) : > : > Amen, I say, AaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen! : > : > No one in this community is more deserving of praise, not even TJL : > himself, or the notorious "Lusty Wench" herself :) Thanks, Tim and Tom! Your checks are in the mail. ;-) I e-mailed Piers about his problem and asked what version of hexbin was used to create the file he is trying to run through Opener. I suspect it is a newer version than the hexbin inside Opener.app, so that there' a backward-compatibility problem. However I have not heard back from him yet. : Say, did Denise ever find that mystery dancer she was looking for, : after a NeXT Expo rave a few years ago? Yikes! I can't believe you still remember that! Well, the answer is no, I never found him. C'est la vie! Denise -- Denise Howard | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar to Mountain View, CA | banging one's head against a wall, but deniseh@best.com | with fewer opportunities for reward. NeXTMail welcome! | http://www.best.com/~deniseh
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Dr. T. L. Marchioro II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: bug? hqx decoder of Opener.app using up *all* virtual memory Date: 8 Jan 1997 01:03:17 GMT Organization: Ames Laboratory Message-ID: <5aurol$60s@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <199701061553.KAA08554@nerc.com> <5at1um$fok@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <5au1mq$itg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5auohf$77r@nntp1.best.com> Cc: deniseh@nntp.best.com Denise Howard wrote: > Joshua W. Burton (jburton@nwu.edu) wrote: > : tlm@u.washington.edu (Thomas L. Marchioro II) wrote: > : > Timothy J Luoma wrote: > : > > : > > All hail the Opener-goddess ;-) > : > > : > Amen, I say, AaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen! > : > > : > No one in this community is more deserving of praise, not even TJL > : > himself, or the notorious "Lusty Wench" herself :) > > Thanks, Tim and Tom! Your checks are in the mail. ;-) > yeah yeah, I've heard that one before... and from the same source too! > : Say, did Denise ever find that mystery dancer she was looking for, > : after a NeXT Expo rave a few years ago? > > Yikes! I can't believe you still remember that! Well, the answer is no, > I never found him. C'est la vie! Too bad.... but something good came of the search, since that is, indirectly, how we first "met" on the internet. Well.... at least *I* think it's good :) TLM -- ********** NOTICE CHANGE OF ADDRESS *************** Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Depts. of Chemistry and Physics 206-721-0754 (FAX) University of Washington 206-543-8963 (W) Seattle, WA 98195 206-276-4056 (H) tlm@u.washington.edu
From: mad_river@ski.vt.usa (mad_river) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc,alt.binaries.mac.games Subject: >>>>NextStep for Intel ?? Where can I get/buy it??? Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:25:08 -0500 Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Message-ID: <mad_river-ya023480000701972025080001@news.shore.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi, i'd like to find NextStep/OpenStep compiled to run on Intel/Pentium. does anyone know where i can find it?? warez or legit??? please email gcrofton@shore.net thanks gbc
From: tralala@mlink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Date: 8 Jan 1997 01:21:00 GMT Organization: Mlink Internet, Montreal, Canada Message-ID: <5ausps$4sq@neon.Mlink.NET> References: <vfr750E3Ir0B.EHC@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <vfr750E3Ir0B.EHC@netcom.com> On 01/04/97, Will Hartung wrote: > Subject says it all, just wondering what it might be, and where I > could get it from . > > Thanx! > > -- > Will Hartung - vfr750@netcom.com ======================================= Get OmniWeb v.2.5.b2 (current version) http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/OmniWeb/2.0/Download.html Cheers, André
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple's Strategy Message-ID: <8CFA3DA.09B8000048.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:26:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 APPLE'S NEW OS STRATEGY & ROADMAP: THE 5 KEY POINTS MACWORLD/EXPO, SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 7 The following was issued today by Apple Computer, Inc.: COMPLEMENTARY OS STRATEGY Apple plans to implement an OS strategy that offers complementary product lines moving forward -- Mac OS and Apple's next generation OS, Rhapsody. Mac OS will continue to deliver market leading Internet and multimedia capabilities; Rhapsody will introduce next generation OS technologies and provide a platform for breakthrough applications that leapfrog competitive OS offerings. SMOOTH MIGRATION PATH OFFERS COMPATIBILITY Apple's complementary OS strategy is designed to enable both Mac OS and Rhapsody to share a similar look and feel and provide compatibility with existing Mac OS applications and hardware. This gives customers and software developers a smooth upgrade path to next generation technology and protects their current investment in Mac OS technology. Additionally Rhapsody will support today's Mac OS personal computers, as well as future Mac OS hardware. Customers in each of Apple's markets can migrate to Apple's next generation OS, Rhapsody, at their own speed. Apple anticipates many customers will remain on Mac OS for a number of years and intends to continue to upgrade this track of the OS in regular semiannual upgrades. ACCELERATED DELIVERY OF NEW OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARE Apple's complementary OS strategy will allow the Company to quickly deliver new operating system technology to market. Both Mac OS and Rhapsody will be scheduled for regular updates, giving customers access to the latest software from Apple. Apple expects the next generation technology in Rhapsody to come to market quicker because it is not directly tied to the upgrade schedule of Mac OS. This move should allow customers to plan deployment of new operating system technology in advance. BREAKTHROUGH DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT BRINGS NEW APPLICATIONS TO MARKET The integration of NeXT Software's OPENSTEP development environment in Rhapsody will provide software developers, in-house development teams and new media specialists with a market-leading component software environment. This acclaimed development environment is acknowledged to allow small, fast, multimedia rich and Internet-centric applications to be created quicker than on competitive platforms. Apple believes that the advanced technical underpinnings and rapid development environment of Rhapsody will allow developers to create applications that leapfrog those of other 'modern' operating systems. MULTIMEDIA AND INTERNET LEADERSHIP Apple's OS Strategy will allow the Company to continue to lead the market in multimedia innovation and provide new levels of Internet integration. Apple's QuickTime Media Layer (QTML) will be optimized for both Mac OS and Rhapsody moving forward, providing all Apple customers with multimedia leadership through the millennium. QTML is a set of cross-platform technologies that bring rich multimedia content to CD-ROM and the Internet -- allowing developers to create and deliver synchronized graphics, sound, video, text, and music. Apple also plans to carry forward key technologies such as OpenDoc, Meta Content Format (MCF), and easy to use TCP/IP connectivity to maintain the Macintosh as a leading system for Internet access and the delivery and creation of Internet content. By integrating Java -- Sun Microsystems' platform-independent application environment for the Internet and corporate networks -- Apple is committed to make both Mac OS and Rhapsody preeminent development and deployment platforms for Java technology. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Microsoft Backs AppleOS Message-ID: <8CFA3DB.09B800004B.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:27:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 MICROSOFT REAFFIRMS SUPPORT FOR APPLE'S MACINTOSH PLATFORM Microsoft Corp. has announced the formation of a 100-person unit focused on developing programs for Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh operating system, and unveiled a Mac version of Microsoft's Internet-browser software. Although the companies at one time were bitter enemies, Microsoft generates a substantial amount of revenue from software for the Mac platform. Although Microsoft doesn't break down the numbers, analysts estimate Mac software accounts for about 10% to 15% of Microsoft's revenue. "If Macintosh disappears, they lose a big chunk of their business," said Peter Lieu, an analyst with Adams Harkness & Hill Inc. And because the Mac is one of the few viable alternatives to the nearly ubiquitous Windows operating systems, keeping Apple afloat helps Microsoft fend off antitrust challenges to Microsoft's dominant position in the software industry. Apple no longer represents a significant threat to Windows, which runs about 80% of the world's PCs. As early as a year ago, Microsoft launched a quiet but ambitious effort to help small software companies write Internet programs for struggling Apple. The Internet arena is an area Apple has said is crucial to its efforts to save itself. Microsoft is already the leading supplier of software for the Mac; in fact, because of the popularity of Microsoft's Office family of software products, Microsoft usually makes more money on the Mac than Apple. The formation of the unit makes it more likely that Microsoft will support the Macintosh/Next Software hybrid operating system due later this year, said James Staten, an analyst with Dataquest Inc. "This is good news for the Mac market," he said. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple's Roadmap 2/2 Message-ID: <8CFA3DA.09B800004A.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:26:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 MULTIMEDIA LEADERSHIP Thirdly, Apple's OS Strategy will allow the Company to continue to lead the market in multimedia innovation. Apple intends to optimize its QuickTime Media Layer (QTML) for both Mac OS and Rhapsody moving forward, providing all Apple customers with multimedia leadership through the millennium. Apple also intends to further develop its value added hardware to improve the multimedia capabilities of Macintosh systems, with high performance PowerPC microprocessors and new classes of hardware acceleration technology. SUPERIOR INTERNET INTEGRATION Apple plans to carry forward key technologies such as OpenDoc, Meta Content Format (MCF), and easy to use TCP/IP connectivity to maintain the Macintosh as a leading system for Internet access and the delivery of Internet content. The integration of Java -- Sun Microsystems' platform- independent application environment for the Internet and corporate networks -- will allow the Company to provide market leading Internet capabilities in both Mac OS and Rhapsody. As an integral part of its OS strategy, Apple aims to incorporate Java in both Mac OS and Rhapsody, and today announced Mac OS Run Time for Java. (See separate release). Apple is committed to make both Mac OS and Rhapsody preeminent development and deployment platforms for Java technology. In addition, Apple expects that technology such as NeXT Software's Web Objects will further reinforce the Mac platform's Internet capabilities. ROADMAP SHOWS COMPLEMENTARY APPROACH Apple's OS strategy offers two complementary product lines moving forward - - Mac OS and Rhapsody. Customers in each of Apple's markets can migrate to Apple's next generation OS, Rhapsody, at their own speed. Apple also believes that Apple's new OS strategy will reinvigorate the Company's presence in key market segments, particularly the enterprise market. Apple anticipates many customers will remain on Mac OS for a number of years and intends to continue to upgrade this track of the OS in regular semiannual upgrades. MAC OS ROADMAP Mac OS 7.6, announced today, is the first step in a strategy designed to deliver state-of-the-art operating system functionality on a regular, semiannual basis for both 68k and PowerPC customers. This release integrates a host of new Apple technologies to offer customers best-of-class Internet access, state-of-the-art multimedia, built-in OpenDoc support, enhanced compatibility with DOS and Windows files, and improved productivity and reliability. (See separate release). Three future releases of Mac OS are already slated -- code named Tempo, Allegro, and Sonata. Tempo, targeted for mid 1997, will continue to improve the overall ease of use of the Mac and offer leading Internet integration. Tempo is planned to include a new PowerPC-native multi-threaded Finder. This will allow customers to execute multiple tasks, such as launching applications and copying files, at the same time. Tempo includes a new 3D appearance and other user interface enhancements. In the Internet area, Tempo integrates Cyberdog 2.0, Mac OS Runtime for Java, and personal web sharing, permitting every Mac or Mac compatible to be an Internet web server. Apple will provide details on its Allegro and Sonata releases at a later date. RHAPSODY ROADMAP The roadmap for Apple's next generation OS, Rhapsody, is as follows: DEVELOPER RELEASE Apple plans a developer release of Rhapsody in mid to late 1997 to provide software developers with a robust platform for the creation of next generation applications, incorporating NeXT Software's market-leading OPENSTEP development environment. This release is expected to include key next generation operating system technologies such as preemptive multitasking, protected memory and a modern kernel. The integration of NeXT Software's object-oriented OPENSTEP API and industry-leading component software development tools, will allow software developers to quickly and easily create applications for Rhapsody's first customer release. PREMIER RELEASE The first customer release is planned for delivery within 12 months. The premier release is intended for early adopters of new technology in multiple market segments. Plans include an evolution of the Mac OS appearance, combining the best of Apple and NeXT technology to provide an industry-leading user experience that will be familiar to today's Macintosh customers and exciting to new users. This release is intended to enable new software applications to run in a fully preemptive and protected environment and will have limited compatibility with Mac OS applications. UNIFIED RELEASE Intended as a general software release for Apple's customer base, this release of Rhapsody is expected to offer next generation capabilities introduced in the developer and premier releases, as well as compatibility with existing and future Mac OS applications. Rhapsody is expected to support today's software through a Mac OS compatibility environment which will be a complete native implementation of the Mac OS. This is not a software "emulation" layer, instead Mac OS will be ported to the advanced Rhapsody base. The unified release of Rhapsody is scheduled for shipment in mid 1998. Both Mac OS and Rhapsody will be optimized for PowerPC hardware. Rhapsody is expected to support all currently shipping PowerPC based systems sold by Apple and Apple licensees today. Rhapsody is also expected to support all upcoming products including the PowerPC Platform (also known as CHRP). Apple also intends to continue to develop, sell and support NeXT software products for other platforms such as Pentium, Sparc, and Windows NT. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple's Roadmap 1/2 Message-ID: <8CFA3DA.09B8000049.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:26:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 APPLE ANNOUNCES FUTURE MACINTOSH OPERATING SYSTEM STRATEGY AND ROADMAP STRATEGY DELIVERS COMPATIBILITY WITH CURRENTLY SHIPPING MAC SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS, ACCELERATES DELIVERY OF NEXT-GENERATION SOFTWARE, AND PROVIDES SMOOTH MIGRATION TO NEXT-GENERATION OS MAC OS UPGRADES TO CONTINUE; FIRST 'RHAPSODY' RELEASE SCHEDULED TO SHIP WITHIN12 MONTHS MACWORLD/EXPO, SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 7 Apple Computer, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) today announced its strategy for the future evolution of the Macintosh operating system software, for Macintosh and Mac OS compatible personal computers. Apple plans to implement a strategy in which the Company will continue to deliver significant and regularly scheduled upgrades to the current Mac OS while accelerating development of a new and advanced operating system. The new operating system is code-named 'Rhapsody' and will be based on the merging of technologies from Apple and NeXT Software, Inc. (Apple announced its intent to acquire NeXT Software on Dec. 20, 1996 -- see press release, Apple Agrees to Acquire NeXT Software Inc.) As well as providing pioneering next generation technology, Rhapsody aims to provide strong backward compatibility for Mac OS software offering current customers a smooth migration path to the new OS. Through this approach, the Company expects to provide customers and developers with a platform for exceptional and cutting-edge applications, while enhancing their current investment in the Mac OS. Apple also believes that the advanced technical underpinnings and rapid development environment of Rhapsody will allow developers to create new applications that leapfrog those of other 'modern' operating systems, such as Windows NT. Additionally, the Company anticipates that the scheduled enhancements to the Mac OS will retain its industry leadership in ease of use and multimedia, while greatly strengthening the software's Internet capabilities. The first release of Rhapsody is expected to be launched to developers in mid to late 1997 and to customers within 12 months. Rhapsody is planned to incorporate features such as preemptive multitasking and protected memory, as well as a modern kernel. It is expected to also include a new Application Programming Interface (API) based on NeXT Software's OPENSTEP environment. In parallel Mac OS continues to evolve -- with a significant upgrade, Mac OS 7.6, announced today. "Apple has laid out an OS strategy that provides customers and software developers with a safe, clear upgrade path to breakthrough next generation computing. With this approach customers can migrate at their own speed to 21st century computing" said Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio, Chairman and CEO, Apple Computer Inc. "Today we also deliver on a commitment made at Macworld Boston in August, by announcing Mac OS 7.6, a robust and valuable update to our current operating system. Together, Mac OS and our next generation OS, Rhapsody, will allow customers and software developers to leverage existing Macintosh applications and provide a platform for a new era of software innovation from Apple and its industry allies". OS STRATEGY PROVIDES CLEAR ADVANTAGES FOR CUSTOMERS AND DEVELOPERS Apple believes that its OS Strategy provides clear differentiation from its system software competitors in four areas. SMOOTH TRANSITION Firstly, Apple's OS strategy allows both Mac OS and Rhapsody to share a similar look and feel and provide compatibility with existing Mac OS applications and hardware--giving customers and software developers a smooth upgrade path to next generation technology. Existing Mac OS software is expected to work within Rhapsody at PowerPC speeds. Additionally it is planned that Rhapsody will support today's currently shipping Mac OS personal computers, as well as future Mac OS hardware. ADVANCED OPERATING SYSTEM Secondly, Rhapsody is expected to provide customers and software developers with a robust, easy to use OS that delivers features such as preemptive multitasking, symmetric multiprocessing, and protected memory, based on a modern kernel. The integration of NeXT Software's OPENSTEP development environment in Rhapsody will provide software developers, in-house development teams, and new media specialists with a market-leading component software environment. This will allow new classes of software to be developed quickly and easily. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: buckley4@mail.idt.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What happened to SimonSays Date: 8 Jan 1997 02:34:38 GMT Organization: IDT Message-ID: <5av13u$90a@nnrp4.farm.idt.net> References: <5armr3$do7@daily-planet.nodak.edu> In-Reply-To: <5armr3$do7@daily-planet.nodak.edu> On 01/06/97, Brian Glaeske wrote: >This will probably get lost in the Apple-NeXT discussion, but... > >Does anyone know what happened to the SimonSays (or SimonSez) product for >the NeXT? > >It was a product that did speech activated macros. I always thought is was >a cool program to show people, but lost it a couple of year ago because of >a disk failure. > >If anyone has any information on it, please send me e-mail. Last I heard (December, '95, that's ninety-five) metrosoft had closed the app at version 1.5.1 due to the disapearing user base. I also had a quote that "The software has been around long enough that most bugs are out. We just don't get any any tech support problems anymore." Now might be the time to ask about redeployment. -- _________________________________________ Paul Buckley 515 W 59th St., Apt. 22K New York, NY 10019 E-mail: buckley4@mail.idt.net Tel/Fax: 212-333-3382 _________________________________________ I remember something about Bill Gates talking about "putting pins in his eyes" before he'd develop for NeXTSTEP. -somewhere on the Net
From: damir@proaxis.com (Damir Smitlener) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 02:45:18 GMT Organization: ProAxis Communications, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> In article <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au>, "Eddie Cejvan" <cejvane@post.crc.cra.com.au> wrote: [...snip...silly comments about CISC-RISC...] >I will leave you with this thought: >Reduced Instruction Set = Less Transistors = Lower Cost. It's a little ironic that after chewing him out you post such an idiotic statement. The biggest transistor-count processors are RISC. Many RISC processors have larger instruction sets than many CISC processors. Thanks to the marketing departments of many CPU vendors, neither term has much meaning anymore; as an example I give you Motorola (one of the PCC Triumvirate) repackaging the 68k as a Coldfire and selling it as an embedded RISC processor. >You've just been shut up by >Eddie Cejvan You really ought to follow your own advice. -- Damir Smitlener damir@proaxis.com
From: edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:22:36 -0300 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca> In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: > Lasse Olsen wrote: > > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > > Where can I buy one? > > Cheers... > The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? -- Edward
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:48:55 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org (Th.Huber) wrote: > > RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by clocking > the CPU higher and higher. You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched to seperate execution units. As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then executed. How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed the RISC code directly? Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC chip. This don't make CISC bad, just not better. (I won't even bring up the point that RISC chips have high clocks "Because they can"!) In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is written against a particular CPU will be shortlived. Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against 8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. Oh well..... -- Andrew Carol carol1@apple.com I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: petrich@netcom.com (Loren Petrich) Subject: RISC vs. CISC? Message-ID: <petrichE3oLqK.9Ln@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:47:08 GMT Sender: petrich@netcom21.netcom.com In article <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211>, Andrew Carol <carol1@apple.com> wrote: >In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org >(Th.Huber) wrote: >> RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by >clocking >> the CPU higher and higher. >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched >to seperate execution units. >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) ... [other praise of RISC deleted...] Actually, RISC and CISC are two ends of a continuum. Canonical features of RISC are: * All instructions are the same length, usually 4 bytes, are aligned to its length. This makes it easier to pipeline instructions, since one knows in advance how big they will be. CISC instruction lengths, OTOH, can vary dramatically. * The only memory accesses are for loading and storing. Since a memory access, especially with a cache miss or two, can take several cycles, it may be desirable to do some other stuff while this operation takes place. That is much more difficult with many CISC instruction sets, since one CISC operation may specify several memory accesses and operations. * There are a large number of registers (32 in the case of the PowerPC). This helps avoid making a lot of memory accesses, since intermediate results can often be stored in some register. A downside is that for a function call (say), there are that many more values to be stored and loaded. * Instruction simplicity makes pipelining and superscalarity easier. RISC chips have proven scalability (consider the varying numbers of different types of instruction-execution units in different PowerPC models); instructions may be arranged to be optimal on one member of the family, but they will still execute on others, even if suboptimally. This property appears to be lacking from VLIW (Very Long Instruction Word), in which each instruction word constains the instructions for several execution units. I've yet to find out the instruction set of the DEC Alpha, so I can't say whether or not it is truly super-RISC, which is what is claimed about it. The PowerPC, though with all these features, has a large number of instructions, and some rather complicated-looking ones; it has numerous bit-manipulation instructions and 3-operand arithmetic and logic instructions, along with possible auto-increment for loads and stores (useful for arrays). These concessions to CISCiness help keep code from getting too big; CISC code does tend to be more compact than equivalent RISC code. Among CISC architectures, the Motorola 680x0 one is perhaps the most RISCish; it does not have a large number of instructions, but it has numerous addressing modes, most of which can be used for any operand. It also has 16 general-purpose registers, which can be used for just about anything (in practice, 8 of them are specialized for addresses and 8 for data). The Intel 80x86 is perhaps the ultimate in CISCiness; it features only 8 general-purpose registers, and some of them are specialized in various ways (an instruction does a certain thing with one of them, rather than with whatever is specified as an operand). The older members of this series had a segmented addressing scheme (all other chips mentioned here have a flat scheme), complete for specialized registers for addressing the segments. This setup is maintained in the newer ones, with the addition of an option for a flat memory space. Interestingly, the Pentium Pro is a RISC chip with a CISC interpreter; the latter is said to occupy a large amount of chip real estate. And it is rumored that its intended successor to the x86 architecture will be some RISC architecture. And interestingly, while Motorola has several diagrams of what each bit of chip real estate is used for in its PowerPC chips, Intel has not done the same for its Pentium or Pentium Pro chips (simply see http://www.mot.com and http://www.intel.com). -- Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh petrich@netcom.com And a fast train My home page: http://www.webcom.com/petrich/home.html Mirrored at: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
From: umisef@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 8 Jan 97 04:34:29 GMT Organization: Monash University Distribution: inet Message-ID: <umisef.852698069@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> References: <01bbef77$50776810$15818bce@djowens> <851275965mnewsachaney@voicenet.com> <59k1ke$5sr@news.hawaii.edu> <32BD3D7E.422C@sfbayrun.com> <32BDB8B6.5741@flash.net> <carol1-2212961724430001@macip-ara-32.apple.com> <5a4re1$qfe@news.bctel.net> <01bbf6ea$87569840$5813acce@chu.ipoline.com> <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <5ankv4$16em$4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <5ar7t4$6qv@misery.millcomm.com> skappel@intranetsol.com (Steve Kappel) writes: >You will be forgiven for your IBM-centric view. >Try http://endeavor.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/fpcrf/e/ap1000.html >which is about the Fujitsu AP1000 that supports up to 1024 >SuperSPARCs. And the best thing about it: You can run linux on it :=))) Bernie
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 8 Jan 1997 08:34:20 GMT Organization: "dtb? - entfernt dieses Geschwuer vom Arsche des usenet." (Kresimir Cesljarevic) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5avm6c$v95@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <E3nG0s.Gyy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> douyang@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Darwin Ouyang) writes: >In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, >Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: >>The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking >>operating systems. >This is incorrect. >Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do >not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a >task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. If your operating system does lazy saving of FPU registers (that is: FPU state is not saved unless another task using the FPU gets scheduled), you have to mark programs using MMX instructions as FPU users as well. The advantage of lazy saving is dimished. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer
From: ******** <********@********.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:32:31 -0800 Organization: ******** Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5aupsh$id5@news.accessus.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Th.Huber wrote: > Why CISC then ? > > CISC code has the option to be executed by future CPUs, which are able to do > more and more of the complex instructions with RISC technics. > (e.g 060 has some of these features) So is RISC. R2000 code is still compatible with R10000, FYI. > Why not RISC ? > > RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by clocking > the CPU higher and higher. It is far easier to implement superscalar execution pipelines with RISC instruction set than with CISC instruction set. Most modern RISC processors are 4-way superscalar, while X86 is limited to 3-way superscalar execution with Pentium Pro. We should see 8-way superscalar implemetations of RISC architectures pretty soon, and I believe Alpha21264 will be the first of bunch. > On the long run, we`ll have CPUs that run CISCcode on a RISC CPU, so it`s really > silly not to use CISC today. You have no idea of what you are talking about, so shut up.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: ffiona mosford@newi.ac.uk (ffiona mosford) Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Message-ID: <E3ow90.Gow@exeter.ac.uk> Sender: news@exeter.ac.uk (news admin) Organization: North East Wales Institute References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <nervous-0601970107590001@ascend25.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:34:11 GMT In article <nervous-0601970107590001@ascend25.netrover.com>, nervous@system.net says... > >In article <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no>, lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > >€Robert Iacullo writes: >€: jmiller wrote: >€: > >€: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: >€: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) >€: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? >€ >€: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. >€ >€ Where can I buy one? >€ Cheers... > >Go to > >http://www.exp.com > >and place your order. They will be demonstrating the X704 at MacWorld. > >Or, if you can't get one yet, you can always go for a quad-604e @ 200Mhz >UMAX system. (That's four 604e each @ 200Mhz.) > >What was your Intel at? 200Mhz? Hahahaha... > >-- >GO Mac GO!!!
From: narendra@shiva.nrl.navy.mil (Narendra Batra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help: Addding another SCSI 2 Hard Drive to my IBM clone Date: 7 Jan 1997 21:04:23 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5audon$dc$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> At present I have a an IBM clone Pentium 90 multimedia( 1Gb HD Scsi Fujitsu, 48Mb Ram). I had partitioned it, 600 Mb for next step and 400 Mb for windows 95 and applications. Everything works fine and has worked fine for 2 years. Now I want to (1) add another SCSI hard drive 2.1 Gb Seagate and use this newly added hard disk exclusively for windows and also make this as a boot drive ( i.e. SCSI ID 00) and want to transfer all the windows data ( about 339 Mb) from Fujitsu to it. (2) Use Fujitsu 1GB ( SCSI ID 01) only for next step, i.e. remove the DOS partition without losing the existing next step data. By the way I am using NCR SCSI -2 card which works fine for Next step. If any one has experience in doing the above, I would greatly appreciate their input. Thanks a lot for your assistance and input to avoid pitfalls in modifying my hardware. Thanks a lot for your input. Sincerely , Narendra
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple outlines its plans Message-ID: <8CFB1CA.09B800004E.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 07:38:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Saying It Has a Future, Apple Puts Its Past on the Podium 01/08/97 The New York Times SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 7 -- Apple Computer invoked its past today as it outlined its plans for a new computer operating system. On the opening day of the Macworld computer conference here, Apple sought to portray itself as an embattled underdog working to regain its role as software innovator. Summoning a metaphor, it ran a clip from the film ''Independence Day'' showing an embattled planet. And invoking a happier past, it reunited the company's two founders, Steven P. Jobs and Stephen Wozniak, for the first time at a company event since 1984. The chairman, Gilbert F. Amelio, also called on an unusual group of movie stars and other celebrities, including the actor Jeff Goldblum and Muhammad Ali. Mr. Amelio and Mr. Jobs -- who rejoined Apple following its $400 million acquisition of his company, Next Software Inc. -- outlined an 18-month development plan in which Apple would keep improving its current operating system while it prepared a new one called Rhapsody. The new operating system, when it is shipped to customers in 1998, will run current Macintosh applications and programs written for the Next operating system, as well as those designed for Sun Microsystems' Java language. Apple said this would permit its customers to retain their existing data and programs, but it acknowledged that the old programs would not be able to take advantage of the features to be added from Next's technology war chest. For Macintosh software to do so, it would have to be rewritten. Apple's executives tried to put the best face on an effort to essentially start from scratch in a frantic race to catch Microsoft. ''We do believe that this year will be our best year in terms of software, '' said Ellen Hancock, Apple's chief technology officer. Apple must now prove to its customers that it can live up to that. The company has begun more than six operating systems in recent years, including joint ventures with I.B.M. like Taligent and Kaleida, without being able to successfully complete a new operating system. Ms. Hancock, a longtime executive at I.B.M. before coming to Apple to work for Mr. Amelio, insisted that the pace of software development had changed under her tenure. She cited a new version of System 7, dubbed 7.6 that will be shipped this month and a follow-on upgrade scheduled for July as evidence that Apple had turned over a new leaf in its software-development efforts. In his keynote speech here, Mr. Amelio declared that despite its recent announcement that it would lose $100 million to $150 million in the quarter that ended on Dec. 27, Apple was still in a strong financial position, with the company's cash position remaining around $1.7 billion. The first quarter ''was about retail sales, not about the fundamentals in the recovery of Apple,'' he told an overflow crowd of more than 2,000 at the San Francisco Marriott. Investors were apparently not impressed by the late afternoon headlines from the Macworld show. Shares of Apple fell 37.5 cents, to $17.50, in heavy Nasdaq trading. Apple's recent troubles were not reflected by the size of crowd at Macworld. Organizers said they expect 75,000 to 80,000 people to attend the entire show, more than in 1996, when it drew upward of 65,000. And despite the presence of a cast of celebrities like the actor and tap dancer Gregory Hines, the comedian Sinbad and the musician Peter Gabriel -- all of whom endorsed Apple's technology -- it was Mr. Jobs who stole the show today as he sought to make the case why Apple's customers would benefit from the addition of Next technology. He said the success or failure of the new project would depend on the ability of Apple to rally software developers to write creative programs in the tradition of Aldus Corporation's Pagemaker, which helped create desktop publishing. ''You don't find as many cars in the parking lots of large corporations as you do of small software developers,'' he said, alluding to the creative energy carried by small start-up companies. In a pointed demonstration, Mr. Jobs also showed Next's software running five small movie clips simultaneously. That feature was a favorite of Jean Louis-Gassee, another former Apple executive, who founded Be Inc., and who negotiated unsuccessfully with Apple to sell them his operating system last year. In uncharacteristic fashion, Mr. Jobs conceded that his own vision had not always been 20-20. Sipping spring water, he told his audience that during his legendary visit to Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center in the late 1970's, where he first saw the technology that he commercialized in the Macintosh, he had missed some fundamental components. Mr. Jobs said he had been ''blinded'' by Xerox's graphical user interface and had overlooked both the company's Smalltalk programming language and its powerful office network. ''If I'd only stayed another 20 minutes,'' Mr. Jobs said today. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple's "Counterattack" Message-ID: <8CFB1CA.09B800004F.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 07:38:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Shining a Sour Apple; Promises and Old Stars Dispel the Gloom for a Record Macworld Crowd 01/08/97 The Washington Post Think of those millions of Windows computers spreading across the planet as the slimy alien ships of the film "Independence Day." Now think of Macintosh computers as the human race, about to strike back. You've got the theme of this year's Macworld, a giant convocation of fans of the beloved, embattled Macintosh computers made by Apple Computer Inc. "Just when everything seems the darkest . . . the counterattack," Apple Chairman Gil Amelio told his many devoted but discouraged customers in a speech today. He pledged to lead the company into the next century with peerless technology, on the heels of Apple's purchase last month of Next Software Inc. As is typical of Apple's legendarily loyal following, the crowd appeared placated by Amelio's assurances -- at least for the moment. Spirits were buoyed by the appearance at the show of Apple co-founders Steve Jobs (recently rehired as an adviser to Amelio) and Steve Wozniak, actor Jeff Goldblum (an "Independence Day" star who uses an Apple PowerBook computer to defeat the aliens) and singer Peter Gabriel (who uses the Mac in music). On hand as well were a half-dozen high-tech executives who came to lend their support publicly, such as Netscape Corp. chief executive James Barksdale and Sun Microsystems Inc. chief technology officer Eric Schmidt. Apple is developing a new operating system -- the programming that drives a computer -- to try to recapture some of its lost business. It said today that the new software that Apple will deliver to developers by mid-year incorporating the technology of Next Software will work with more than 85 percent of existing Macintosh applications and all Apple computers that are on store shelves now. Last month, in the kind of daring business move that has given the Cupertino, Calif., company its uncommon reputation, Apple bought Next for $400 million, hired Jobs and decided to merge the two software systems. Apple gave up last year on developing its own long-promised operating system, called Copland. Today's existing operating system, a six-year-old program called System 7, will continue to be updated as the Next-Mac technology, now dubbed Rhapsody, is built. Ellen Hancock, Apple chief technology officer, said the company would support System 7 for "five to 10 years," far longer than many Apple fans had feared. Apple's road map for the new OS also includes upgrades for System 7 twice this year -- including version 7.6 released today -- and twice next year. A consumer version of Rhapsody will be available by mid-1998. Both systems will be able to run on Apple machines at the same time; programs will be able to use either system in somewhat the same way that 16- bit Windows programs run under Windows 95. Hancock and Amelio said this strategy of a gradual shift and continuous compatibility will protect Mac users' current investment and eliminate uncertainty for future customers. This year's expo, which is drawing a record 80,000 people, was to have been an upbeat time for Apple and its customers, coming on the heels of Jobs's return, the acquisition of Next and a welcomed fourth-quarter profit. Apple followers have been waiting patiently for several years while the company, which bills itself as the maker of computers "for the rest of us," has stumbled. Ever since its fairy tale birth 20 years ago in a Silicon Valley garage, Apple has been a fascinating business world case study -- of both achievement and reversal. After a brilliant ascent in the 1980s, full of breakthroughs in the look and feel of personal computing, Apple in the 1990s pursued various dead ends going after cool technology to preserve its status as an innovative trendsetter. Many people ascribe Apple's underdog status to its failure to share its basic technology -- until last year, no Macintosh clones were allowed. Anyone wanting a Mac had to come to Apple. Now, while several licensees are finally churning out cost-competitive Apple clones, some analysts see their sales as stealing from Apple rather than from Windows computer makers. Mmid all the uncertainty, Apple is still a $10 billion-a-year company, No. 114 on the Fortune 500 and the nation's third-largest PC maker. Consumers continue to buy the Apple brand by the millions, and hundreds of software firms -- especially Microsoft, the biggest maker of Mac software -- customize their products for it. Apple still dominates several computer markets, including graphics and publishing. It has sold more than 26 million of its mainstay model, the Macintosh, the computer that starts up with a smiling face on its screen, since its introduction in 1984, and it expects to sell 4 million more this year. An astonishingly fast 500-megaherz Macintosh will be introduced this year, Apple said today, doubling today's PC speeds, even among IBM-compatibles. "I understand the skeptics," Hancock told reporters before Amelio's speech. "I just suggest you watch how we execute -- and we are executing." -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: 8 Jan 1997 14:10:17 GMT Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0801970910500001@ascend3.netrover.com> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca> <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com> In article <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com>, edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) wrote: €In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: € €> Lasse Olsen wrote: €> > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. €> > Where can I buy one? €> > Cheers... €> The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. € € €Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? You can get a 300Mhz 603e as well. Even multiprocessor 604e-based computers. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry; a highly emotional utterance or literary work; RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: frank@OneVision.de (Frank Pohl) Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Message-ID: <E3ou6L.45H@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:49:33 GMT In comp.sys.next.software article <E31r2C.3qB@byron.net4.io.org> Ambrose Li wrote: - snip - > According to the PDF specs, PDF is designed to be an editable format > (even with a revision history feature). However, I have no idea what > program (if any) can edit PDF files like that. - snip - try digiscipt fpr PDF-, PS- and EPS-editing Book (engl.) with CD (but only with demo-license for the software): DigiScript edits digital manuscripts), Springer-Verlag, Berlin, ISBN 3-540-61643-8, 390 pp. 500 figs. in color frank
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 14:12:52 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5b0a14$ke8@josie.abo.fi> References: <01bbf85d$f43ce8a0$5d13acce@chu.ipoline.com> <pxpst2-0201971310460001@path01.pathology.pitt.edu> <32D26E79.4D60@freenet.npiec.on.ca> (followups severely trimmed) Marc Nagy, in <32D26E79.4D60@freenet.npiec.on.ca>: >Well, I'm in computer science at university and we use PowerPCs and >Codewarrior software for JAVA programming. >At home, I use a Pentium and my machine at home does circles around the >PowerlessPC's at school as far as compiling time. you're in CS, and you don't see the fallacy of that argument? for all you've told us here, might be the PPC's compiler spends time trying to optimize its output while the pentium counterpart maybe doesn't. what about *run* times? -- "...Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog just died..." - Leonard Cohen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: pwalter@mediahaus.de (Piers Uso Walter) Subject: Re: remote apps on Mac Message-ID: <E3p161.743@mediahaus.de> Sender: news@mediahaus.de (News System) Organization: Mediahaus Stroebel in Duesseldorf (Germany) References: <jbf-ya023580000601970213310001@news.tiac.net> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:20:25 GMT In article <jbf-ya023580000601970213310001@news.tiac.net> jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) writes: > The question appears to be whether one can run remote apps > better on NS than on Mac. > > A while ago I asked for info on whether one could really run > NS apps over a wide area net (ie, outside the subnet the requesting > machine is on). > > No one in the NeXT community posted a positive response and, in > fact, my trials indicated it didn't work. Apparently it depends on mach > rather than TCP/IP messages. Of course you can "NXHost" NEXTSTEP apps over the Internet. Just telnet to the remote machine, and start the app with the correct NXHost parameter. Example command: /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost myhost.mydomain & Whether this works acceptable for you depends heavily on your network throughput (as I understand it, the remote app sends the DPS PostScript code over the network to your local WindowServer, and your local WindowServer sends back all Events [mouse, keyboard, etc.] to the remote app). If you have a congested internet connection, you won't be happy with the performance, but apart from this there is no reason for "NXHosting" not to work over even the slowest 2400 bps modem connections. > > Does this indiccate that the MacOS has an advantage (gasp ;-))? > > Barney I don't know about the performance of Mac remote execution mechanisms in comparison to NEXTSTEP's NXHost mechanism. Piers Uso Walter ilink GmbH Piers_Walter@ilink.de
From: Jelske.Kloppenburg@gmd.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Date: 8 Jan 1997 15:56:28 GMT Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany Message-ID: <5b0g3c$iis@omega.gmd.de> References: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> <5akpdk$2r4@news.istar.ca> <5ala8f$fke@news3.digex.net> <E3HsJw.17q@flop.schwaben.de> In-Reply-To: <E3HsJw.17q@flop.schwaben.de> On 01/04/97, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: >5. Remove the 3D folder. > You don't need to remove the 3D folder, just give it a longer name. (e.g. 3DD). -- Jelske Kloppenburg, +49 2241 14-2433, <Jelske.Kloppenburg@gmd.de> GMD - German National Research Center for Information Technology "Don't kill the Winners!" Dennis Tsichritzis
From: alanf@izzy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: MacStep Help System Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:23:25 GMT Organization: "Comshare, Inc." Message-ID: <5b0hlt$lj7$1@inet-prime.comshare.com> I don't know if this is a new idea, but... what about using a Workspace-wide Digital Librarian type Library as the repository for both the System and Application Help (as well as miscellaneous cuttings and clippings). This Bookshelf could be accessed directly from the Librarian app, and specific sections/items could be mapped to a specific help-request event (the "normal" context sensitive help). I really enjoy Digital Librarian, and the "old" NeXT help system (the rich-text based hypertext), and would LOVE to see the Macintosh style balloon help added to the application development environment (thats already done indirectly, by copying the Windows copy of the Macintosh balloon help). Later on, some of the cool intelligent agents I've heard Mac people talk about might be integrated with the Librarian tool, as well as search/pattern recognition for things besides text... The Librarian itself could include a low-end OODBMS, with a published API allowing more robust third party replacements... Thoughts? Regards, Alan Frabutt (alanf@izzy.net) #include <std.disclaimer>
Message-ID: <32D3FF71.67E6@nmaa.org> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 12:11:29 -0800 From: Daniel Fahey <dansources@nmaa.org> Organization: DanSources Technical Services Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NextStep Developers NEEDED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear NextStep Developers We are seeking a bunch of Nextstep, EOF, Objective-C Developers for the monster program in Northern Virginia. Please contact us (301-217-0425)if you are interested. This program will have a lot CORBA exposure to connect with the Legacy. You would be working with the CORBA Developers and get a chance to learn CORBA.. Happy New Year Sincerely, Dan Fahey
From: Yves Pons <100321.1674@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:35:21 GMT Organization: GENIFI Message-ID: <5b0lsp$77l$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> References: <5at6oq$dr9@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> There was also an App named I think Max which was made by the French Institute & laboratory Ircam. It could used a special card which used 4 DSP named Ariel. The second App is the musik kit made by the CCRMA.
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Summary of Apple's Plans Message-ID: <8CFB1DC.09B8000050.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 07:56:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Exclusive: Apple's OS Plan Unveiled First Concrete Details of the New Mac OS Strategy PR Newswire SAN FRANCISCO -- At the Macworld Expo, Apple will finally unveil its new Mac Operating System strategy based on the December 20 acquisition of Next, Inc., and its NextStep/OpenStep OS. PARALLEL OSS Apple will develop and ship both the current Mac OS (System 7) and the new Mac OS 8 in parallel. Apple will deliver four more releases of System 7: System 7.6, code-named Harmony, is a minor upgrade to the current System 7.5 and will ship by the end of this month. In July, Apple plans to ship Tempo, which will probably be called System 7.7. That OS will include the first fully PowerPC-native Finder, the Java Virtual Machine for Macintosh to run Java programs, support for multithreading in the Finder, and a more 3-D-looking interface. In early 1998, Apple will ship the Allegra update to System 7, probably calling it System 7.8. And in mid-1998, Apple expects to release the Sonata update to System 7, probably calling it System 7.9 Meanwhile, Apple will also be developing the Next-based Mac OS, which has the code name Rhapsody. Apple expects to offer developers the first version of Rhapsody in the third quarter of this year, with the first general release to the public around January 1998, and the first release that is Mac-program compatible in mid- toeps the public. THE GAME PLAN FOR THE NEXT OS Apple plans on developing a compatibility box for the Next-based OS that will let it run most System 7 programs. The so-called Blue Box is not hardware but a Window within the OS in which any System 7 program that doesn't communicate directly with the hardware should run. The programs would include system extensions and control panels, but not drivers and some utilities that do work directly with the hardware. This level of compatibility is more than was planned for Apple's original Mac OS 8 effort, known as Copland. That OS would not have run extensions and control panels. The Blue Box will be bug-for-bug compatible with System 7, so programs patched to work around bugs in the current OS will not need to be modified to run in the Blue Box compatibility window. That also means that technologies such as QuickDraw 3D, QuickTime, OpenDoc, QuickDraw GX, and the DayStar multiprocessing API will be supported in the Blue Box environment. The Blue Box will not be a Mac emulator but the actual System 7 OS running on the new Mac OS microkernel, the part of the OS that manages the hardware and basic system operations. But the new Mac OS is the Yellow Box, or in other words, the Mac OS 8 to be based on the recently acquired NextStep OS's OpenStep version. Unlike Copland, Yellow Box will be fully preemptive, multithreaded, and have full memory protection. This means that programs can work in parallel without causing each other to crash if something goes wrong. It also means that users should be able to run several tasks in parallel, such as faxing while printing, or doing a database sort while reading e-mail. Under the Copland plan that Apple killed in August, only some parts of Mac OS 8 would have these capabilities. Rhapsody's Yellow Box will also support fully symmetrical multiprocessing, in which any available CPU can run any program or program thread. System 7's multiprocessing architecture reserves one CPU as the traffic cop, which divides the tasks of only programs specifically written for multiprocessing among the available CPUs. The primary CPU is less available for task sharing because of its role as traffic cop. Apple plans to rework the NextStep OS's interface so it is Mac-like. While Apple will adopt some NextStep conventions, the company is convinced that the Mac OS's human interface is the best available and wants to ensure that this approach is maintained. Within the Next-based OS, Apple will hide the remnants of its Unix command-line interface. Like the abortive Copland effort, the Next-based Mac OS, in the Yellow Box window, will support multiple looks. Thus, you will be able to customize the interface's visual appearance and how some of its features operate, such as preventing network access for some users. Programs running in the Blue Box will be able to share some data with programs running in the Yellow Box, and vice versa. Programs in the two environments can share data via Apple events (Apple's OS-based messaging technology) and via copy and paste. However, direct interapplication communications probably won't be allowed, so the two environments can't cause each other to crash if something goes wrong in one of the boxes. Not yet clear is how users and programs will be able to deal with files created by programs running in the two environments. While the hope is to let both Yellow Box and Blue Box programs access each other's drives and folders, it is too early in the Rhapsody development effort for Apple to know whether, or how, it can accomplish that goal, at least in the 1998 releases. SYSTEM HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY Under Apple's new OS plan, Rhapsody will work on all currently shipping PowerPC-based Macs from Apple and the licensed Apple clone makers (DayStar Digital, Motorola Computer Group, Power Computing, Umax Computer, and, in Japan, Pioneer Electronics) and their sublicensees. Apple has also committed to supporting all future Macs, including systems based on the Common Hardware Reference Platform architecture developed by IBM, Motorola. Apple says the CHRP design should become available to licensees later this year and will spur the interest of even more Mac clone makers. Apple is exploring support for previous Power Macs, such as those using the NuBus peripheral bus, but is making no commitments at this time. Apple will continue to support and sell the Intel x86 and Sun Sparc versions of the NextStep OS, but its main focus will be on the Macintosh development. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: douyang@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Darwin Ouyang) Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E3p432.J9E@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:23:26 GMT Distribution: inet References: <5aumpd$dtb@doffen.uninett.no> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5aumpd$dtb@doffen.uninett.no>, Lasse Olsen <lolsen@hsr.no> wrote: >Darwin Ouyang writes: >: In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, >: Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?= <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> wrote: > >: >The latter can become a real nightmare for schedulers of multitasking >: >operating systems. > >: This is incorrect. > >: Because the FPU and MMX share registers, the current operating systems do >: not have to worry about saving and restoring any extra registers during a >: task switch - thus MMX has no impact on the OS scheduler at all. > > However, it has a helluva impact on FPU performance - what's > that, 70 to 100 cycles to clear the pipeline after MMX operands? Ya. I totally agree - MMX+FPU instructions together are gonna *kill* performance. But the statement was that MMX would be a "real nightmare" for OS task schedulers, which is not true. Besides, a task switch already takes an eternity in terms of processor time. ~20 usec. (?) Whats another 100 cycles to the OS scheduler. :) 0.4 usec? Darwin Ouyang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) Subject: where to get Sonata font? Message-ID: <E3pD3E.JGA@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: The University of Chicago Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:38:02 GMT Adobe says they don't have it. Does anyone know where I can order the Sonata font for a NeXTStation? Thank you very much in advance, bryce -- ()-() Bryce B. Sady NeXT mail Welcome (o o) http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/bbsady /\o/\
From: bff@icarus (Brendan Forsyth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Recognizing Filename extensions... Date: 8 Jan 1997 19:25:25 GMT Organization: SuperNet Inc. +1.303.296.8202 Denver Colorado Message-ID: <5b0sb5$g88@news-2.csn.net> How do I get NS to recognize filename extensions other than those already registered? I want .pl (perl) to be opened by Emacs.app rather then Edit.app. I placed the following entry in my .NeXT/suffixes3_1.i386.wmd file: pl = (/LocalApps/Emacs.app/Emacs, plfile); But it doesn't work. It also appears that this file gets overwritten at some point in time. I'd like the same functionality for .gz files too. Thanks, brendan
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 12:27:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> In article <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de>, KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) wrote: >Frank <chu@ipoline.com> writes: >>Mhz means nothing! Even my US.Robotics modem's DSP chip runs at 90mhz >>and some specialized DSPs run at several times more than that, but can >>they run my computer?!?! The Exponential PPC chip has only about 1 >>million transistor count and that is about the same amount of a 486!!! >>How can you expect it to out run a lowly Pentium 133 with 3 million >>transistors!!! > >They do it with better design. For example, PPCs do not >sacrifice tons of transistors to emulate an outdated and long >bygone CPU with 16 bit registers and an obsolete memory >addressing model. For example, PPCs do not have to shift >operands from register to register because certain instructions >require their operands in certain registers. For example, PPCs >do not have to access memory as often as Pentiums, because they >have a decent number of general purpose registers. > Having less register is not that bad, simply because the data cache will be used as extending them. If you load a variable in a register to use it, or on cisc indirecly adresse it the result can be the same. And all the 16bit shit can be forgoten at a programer level... >All this results in quite impressive performance. The highly I dont think you get even 2x the performance from what you outlined. bigger L1 & L2 cache, and better memory system make a bigger speed diference in the end. >respected german c't magazine ("c't - Magazin fuer >Computertechnik, Heise publishing, Hannover") has benchmarked >old Pentium processors against new MMX pentium processors using >specialized, supposedly MMX friendly tasks relating with image >processing. They also used special MMX optimized machine code >for the MMX processors to make sure the new MMX chips run at >optimal performance. > >Among the field of tested machines they also had a PPC based >untuned Apple from the same price range as the Pentium machines >tested for comparison. This PPC ran the same tests using normal >machine generated native machine code. c't found that MMX can >substantially improve the throughput of a Pentium for certain >well optimized, very specialized applications. But the PPC was >just as fast to substantially faster than the MMX for all cases >tested by c't with normal, unoptimized code and without MMX >extensions, which are not available for PPC yet. So the >conclusion is that MMX fixes some special cases where the >Pentium is broken by design, while the PPCs design is generally >right. > Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip each individual result in 1 cycle? >c't also found that the memory interface of the PPC machine was >very unoptimized compared to the Pentium PCs tested and that >quite impressive acceleration of PPCs would be possible if the >PPC board had a similarly effective memory interface as the >Pentium processors. This is not a matter of processor design, >but addresses board designer issues instead. So another >conclusion of the test was that while the PPC was outrunning >the Intel machines in the test, it still was not running at >full speed due to the comparatively lame memory interface. > Everyone knows Mac/Apple are terrible at making computer... >c't suggested that the PPC people also introduced MMX >extensions to the PPC, but merely for marketing reasons: there >is no technical need to screw up a nice, expandable and working >design for some seldomly used special purpose application. > Wonder why they included an FPU in there.... Consider the MMX stuff as DPU (Data processing unit). I would suggest tho that if PPC add on on chip DPU that they dont follow the MMX design. >Please note that these tests conducted by c't were using fixed >point or integer arithmetics - things that the MMX extensions >are supposedly specialized for. If the comparison had been made >with FPU using applications, the Intels would have lost even >higher due to their notoriously abysmal floating point >performance. > MMX are used mainly for precessing the data, I dont even think you can create a loop with mmx instructions. >Please also note that Intels cannot combine MMX applications >with FPU applications, because access to the FPU blocks the >data path to the MMX extension hardware on the chip. This is >true when switching between MMX and FPU within the same >application, but it is also true when multitasking between pure >MMX and pure FPU applications. The latter can become a real >nightmare for schedulers of multitasking operating systems. > The MMX instruction set use the FPU registers, so old OS wont break running x86 binary with MMX instruction. Scheduler actually dont care that you have an MMX then one with the FPU ... Also, usually you want to process block of data with the mmx instruction and you can almost alway find a way to not interleave FPU and mmx instruction. >>Talking about REAL performance, Alpha chip now already runs at 533mhz >>and out run PPC chip EVEN at the same clock. > >The Alpha is a very nice processor, but also a severe case of >trading memory for speed. Just compare code sizes of text and >data segments for a statically linked GNU emacs on Linux for >Intel processors, Linux for PPC and Linux for Alphas. > I did that a while back. the HP pa was the best of the risc bunch in code size. The overall best tho was handcoded 68020 in size & register usage, and the latest sas was the worse. GCC produced average x86 code. My personal felling: If motorola had put as much effort in a 68070 as intel did with their Ppro we probably would have had something totaly amazing. Stephan
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 12:39:36 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b108u$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <5aupsh$id5@news.accessus.net> In article <5aupsh$id5@news.accessus.net>, ******** <********@********.com> wrote: >Th.Huber wrote: > >> Why CISC then ? >> >> CISC code has the option to be executed by future CPUs, which are able to do >> more and more of the complex instructions with RISC technics. >> (e.g 060 has some of these features) > > So is RISC. R2000 code is still compatible with R10000, FYI. > >> Why not RISC ? >> >> RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by > clocking >> the CPU higher and higher. > > It is far easier to implement superscalar execution pipelines with RISC > instruction set than with CISC instruction set. Most modern RISC processors > are > 4-way superscalar, while X86 is limited to 3-way superscalar execution with > Pentium Pro. We should see 8-way superscalar implemetations of RISC > architectures > pretty soon, and I believe Alpha21264 will be the first of bunch. > >> On the long run, we`ll have CPUs that run CISCcode on a RISC CPU, so it`s > really >> silly not to use CISC today. > > You have no idea of what you are talking about, so shut up. I dont agree with you rude posting.... currently risc are not very effiecient at coding instructions and in turn do less per byte. I agree that fixed size instruction is the way to go, but not having simple instructions. Risc in its current implementation will have to die out if we want more performance per instruction fetch and per cached bytes. Stephan
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple Personal WebSharing Message-ID: <8CF9267.09B8000040.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:15:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 APPLE INTRODUCES FINAL VERSION OF PERSONAL WEB SHARING Apple Computer today announced the final version of Personal Web Sharing, technology licensed from Maxum Development. Facilitating shared information across an intranet, Personal Web Sharing uses Internet protocols, which make it possible for an individual on a Macintosh or Mac OS compatible to publish information to an intranet, as well as share information with other users who have a web browser on platforms such as Windows NT, Windows 95, Windows 3.X, UNIX, or OS/2. Personal Web Sharing is scheduled to be released by the end of January 1997 and will be the first fully-supported product sold via Claris Corporation's Electronic Software Distribution website at: http://www.claris.com. Pricing for the product will be U.S. $25.00. Bundled with Personal Web Sharing will be Claris Home Page Lite, a tool for fast and easy content creation. For more information see Apple's website at: http://applenet.apple.com/. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: ClarisWorks 4.0/Internet Message-ID: <8CF9266.09B800003E.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:14:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Claris Announces ClarisWorks 4.0 - Internet Edition Claris Corporation has announced ClarisWorks 4.0 - Internet Edition, a special bundle teaming ClarisWorks 4.0, the easy and reliable office productivity suite, with software solutions for accessing the Internet, and Claris Home Page 2.0, the essential web authoring tool. More than 40 ready-made ClarisWorks documents for managing small businesses are also included. With an estimated retail price of $99 in the U.S., this bundle is an excellent value for small business and home office users. EASY ON RAMP TO THE INTERNET The ClarisWorks 4.0 - Internet Edition software includes platform-specific solutions for easy Internet access; Apple Internet Connection Kit for Macintosh users and a selection of Internet connection software from leading Internet Service Providers along with Netscape Navigator for Windows 95 users; The ABC's of the Internet and Internet Yellow Pages books on CD-ROM for finding information on the Web; and Claris Home Page 2.0, the next generation of the web authoring tool that lets users build dynamic web pages in minutes. The ClarisWorks 4.0 - Internet Edition will be available beginning in February for a limited time. For more information, call 800/544-8554 or visit ClarisWeb, the Claris World Wide Web home page, at http://www.claris. com . -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT & ActiveX, Corba Message-ID: <8CF921B.09B800003D.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 08:59:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Corba Stakes Out New Territory -- As object-oriented development takes off, corporate developers find they need tools to distribute objects across all major operating platforms 09/09/96 InformationWeek For a technology that has languished for several years, the Object Management Group's Corba specification is showing strong signs of life. Interest in Corba-related products is at an all-time high, as evidenced by a slew of product announcements over the past several weeks. "Corba is starting to grow up," says Jeffrey Nickerson, technical di-rector of emerging technologies for Coopers & Lybrand in Edison, N.J. "Corba development tools are maturing, and corporations are building applications with them. Most important, the tools vendors recognize there's a market here. " Having the support of major tools vendors is critical to Corba's success, Nickerson says. "Corba is great, but look at the size of the companies support it. They're tiny. The involvement of big, stable companies, like Sun and IBM, will give users a feeling of security." In fact, Sun Microsystems and IBM recently announced a cross-licensing deal to share their respective object technologies. OUTPOURING OF TOOLS Corba is the Common Object Request Broker Architecture, an open specification that defines how objects-reusable chunks of code that make up client-server applications-communicate in distributed environments. Until recently, Corba was used primarily by C++ developers building Unix applications. However, there's been an outpouring of Corba tools for other programming languages and operating environments. Corba tools that support Sun's Java, Microsoft's ActiveX, and numerous 4GLs were in full bloom at the recent Object World conference in San Jose, Calif. The Object Management Group (OMG) announced that member companies are supporting its ActiveX/Corba Interworking Specification. ACIS specifies a bidirectional communication mechanism between the ActiveX common object model and Corba objects, which ensures that objects from either object model can talk to each other. Digital Equipment, Expersoft, Hewlett-Packard, Iona Technologies, and Visual Edge Software already ship Corba products with ACIS capabilities built in. Work is now under way to incorporate Microsoft's distributed common object model (DCOM) specification into ACIS. Next Software Inc. of Redwood City, Calif., also threw its hat into the Corba-to-ActiveX ring. The vendor announced Corba support for its WebObjects and OpenStep development platforms. Next uses Iona's Orbix ORB object request broker in its tools, and has adopted ActiveX in its framework. The two developments give Next users near-seamless connectivity between Windows and Corba applications. While some companies integrate Corba with other object technologies, other vendors are working to improve Corba's raw performance. On Aug. 19, embedded systems vendor Chorus Systems of Campbell, Calif., announced version 3.1 of its Corba-compliant Chorus/Cool ORB, which the company says communicates three times faster, and requires 50% less memory, than other shrink-wrapped object request brokers. Chorus' Chorus/Cool ORB supports Windows 95, Windows NT, Linux, IBM AIX, Sun Solaris, SunOS, and SCO OpenServer 5. Cool ORB interoperates across all the supported platforms. Chorus officials say they are now working on adding support for HP/UX, SCO UnixWare, and Java. Hewlett-Packard in Palo Alto, Calif., and Persistence Software in San Mateo, Calif., are tackling Corba's biggest weakness:the difficulty of implementing Corba's many distributed object services. Persistence's Orbix Interface Generator makes it easier for developers to tie Iona's Orbix ORB with Persistence's application server. This lets programmers develop applications that communicate with back-end relational databases using object messaging. HP is turning to application development "wizards"-step-by-step, procedural assistants-to guide programmers through the creation of Corba objects. The wizards will first appear in HP's ORB Plus 2.0. The product will also interoperate with the ActiveX component standard. WEB OBJECTS The advent of distributed computing over the Internet is perhaps the primary force driving interest in Corba. ORBs that conform to the Corba specification are preferred by developers who want to join Web application servers and browser applications. Like HTML, the language of the Web, Corba ORBs are platform independent and can run across a variety of operating systems. Other object technologies, such as ActiveX and Netscape Plug-Ins, are hard-wired to their respective platforms. "The OMG's purpose is not to create a product, but rather to produce a standard for vendors to interpret," says Albert Eng, director of financial technology for the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce in New York. Growing industry interest in Corba is bad news for Microsoft. It contends that OMG's Corba will remain a largely unadopted technology, one that Microsoft steadfastly refuses to support. "We don't focus on putting nails in [OMG's] coffin; they do a fine job of that by themselves," quips John Ludwig, VP for Microsoft's Internet tools and platforms division. Even Corba proponents admit the technology has a long way to go before it poses a severe threat to Microsoft's ActiveX object technology. Corba may be technologically superior to ActiveX, but using Corba services is far more difficult than dragging-and-dropping an ActiveX control onto a Visual Basic form. It takes a lot longer to build a Corba server than it does an OLE server, but the distributed capabilities of Corba services are greater, says Eng. "With ActiveX, you just need a Visual Basic programmer, and you can get an OLE server running," he says. "But you get what you pay for." -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: AppleShare IP 5.0 Message-ID: <8CF9267.09B8000041.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:15:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Apple Bridges Its Networking Software to Internet/Intranet with AppleShare IP 5.0; Integrates Web, Mail, and FTP Servers; Provides Open, Extensible Platform for Developers Apple Computer has announced a public beta version of its next-generation AppleShare server software--AppleShare IP 5.0. A Power PC-native application, AppleShare IP 5.0 combines traditional file and print capabilities with web, mail, and File Transfer Protocol (FTP) services, providing users with a one- stop productivity solution to share information and resources. Designed for small business or corporate users at the departmental and workgroup level, AppleShare IP 5.0 allows customers to keep the familiar Macintosh interface, but benefit from TCP as the underlying transport protocol. The system's open, extensible platform supports third-party enhancements and customization. Education and small office/home office (SOHO) markets will also benefit from the integrated functionality, simple operation and low cost. APPLESHARE IP 5.0 SERVICES The AppleShare IP 5.0 Apple File Protocol (AFP) Server includes support for both TCP/IP and AppleTalk. Using the Apple Macintosh Workstation client version 3.7--the software enabling each client to access the server-- customers can share files in a consistent manner over both TCP/IP and AppleTalk networks. Users can also mount AFP volumes over the Internet. The AppleShare IP 5.0 Web Server includes Common Gateway Interface (CGI) support. Security is shared with the file server allowing for easier administration. The AppleShare IP 5.0 FTP server supports all common FTP commands, anonymous log-ins and includes BinHex and MacBinary encoding allowing users to collaborate and share files within the local network and across the Internet from remote locations. The AppleShare IP 5.0 FTP Server automatically encodes files in the standard BinHex format when requested by an FTP client, eliminating the need for administrators to store duplicate files on the server. The AppleShare IP 5.0 Mail Server provides fast and simple Internet email utilizing Post Office Protocol (POP)/Simple Mail Transport Protocol (SMTP) mail services. Compatible with nearly every POP/SMTP mail client on the market--including Macintosh, Windows, UNIX, and OS/2--this feature allows users access to their mail from any client machine. Its robust feature set includes SMTP routing with full support for Domain Name Services (DNS) and Mail Exchange (MX) record, Authenticated Post Office Protocol (APOP), auto- forwarding and server logging. The AppleShare IP 5.0 Mail Server supports both TCP/IP and AppleTalk. Via AppleTalk protocols, the all new AppleShare IP 5.0 Print Server supports up to 30 printers, 10 queues and 32 simultaneous print sessions freeing users waiting for print jobs. Its load balancing capabilities allow for faster print queue processing by distributing print jobs among multiple printers. It also supports the LaserWriter 8.4 driver, Postscript level two and server side PostScript Printer Descriptions (PPD). The AppleShare IP 5.0 Admin control panel provides administrators with the power to easily manage server functions such as maintaining users and groups access privileges and set-up of mail and print services. EXTENSIBLE PLATFORM FOR DEVELOPERS AppleShare IP 5.0 is an open, extensible platform allowing Mac OS developers to add, enhance or replace existing services or tailor services to specific user needs. As the AppleShare IP 5.0 Admin panel is an OpenDoc container, Mac OS developers can extend functionality for easier network administration. SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS, COMPATIBILITY, AND AVAILABILITY AppleShare IP 5.0 requires an Apple Power Macintosh with a PowerPC 601, 604 or 604e microprocessor; Macintosh System Software Version 7.6 (included) or later; Open Transport 1.1.2 (included) or later; a minimum of 24MB of RAM; a minimum of 10MB of available hard disk space; and a CD-ROM drive. AppleShare IP 5.0 is backwards compatible with previous AppleShare servers to provide services for both Mac OS and Windows clients and is compatible with all versions of the Macintosh Workstation client. To take advantage of all the benefits of AFP over TCP/IP, users should upgrade their Apple Macintosh Workstation client to version 3.7. A beta version of AppleShare IP 5.0 is available immediately from Apple's website: http://appleshareip.apple.com/. Apple expects to ship the final version of AppleShare IP 5.0 in the first half of 1997. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple Location Manager Message-ID: <8CF9267.09B8000042.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:15:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 APPLE LOCATION MANAGER MAKES IT EASY TO USE POWERBOOKS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS Apple Computer has announced a free software utility for PowerBook computers called Apple Location Manager. Apple Location Manager software makes it easy for PowerBook users to move from one location to another without having to spend a lot of time manually reconfiguring their computer with every move. Apple Location Manager allows users to assign specific settings for a variety of capabilities including networking, printers, time zone, file sharing, sound, frequently used applications, and even which extensions need to be in use. Once a location is set up, a user simply selects that location and the system recognizes the user's preferences for that environment. For example, a typical PowerBook user might have two locations, named "Home" and "Office", defined for a single PowerBook. When "Home" is selected, the printer becomes a StyleWriter printer connected via serial port, File Sharing is turned off, and Apple Remote Access and Claris E-mailer are automatically opened. When "Office" is selected, the printer becomes the office LaserWriter, File Sharing is turned on, the servers for the projects being worked on are automatically mounted and the network connection is changed to the correct office Ethernet settings. WHAT ARE ALL THE SETTINGS THAT CAN BE PRE-DEFINED? Apple Location Manager is set up similarly to the "control strip" and ships with seven different modules. They are: 1. Networking-The networking module allows users to save their networking connections for various locations and switch easily among them. 2. Printer -The Printer module lets users save a printer selection so that they can return to it without having to go through the Chooser. 3. File Sharing-Depending on location, sometimes a user wants file sharing enabled, and sometimes it is not desirable. The file sharing module allows users to preselect this option based on location. 4. Extensions Manager- Since many extensions are only needed at a particular location, the extensions manager module allows users to select only the ones they need, thus saving 'Start up' time by not loading unnecessary extensions (such as a printer not used at home). Apple Location Manager allows you to select, at start-up, which set of extensions you want to use, thereby eliminating the need for re- starting when changing which extensions are in use. 5. Auto-Open Item-With the Auto-Open Item module, users can select which applications or documents they prefer to have automatically opened at any given location. 6. Sound-The sound module allows users to adjust the volume of their computer to a given location, which can often vary greatly depending on where the computer is being used. 7. Time Zone-The time zone module eliminates the need for frequent travelers to reset the time of their computer, as it can be automatically pre-set base af January, concurrent with the availability of Mac OS 7.6. It will be distributed free via the PowerBook website at: http://www. powerbook.apple.com/. Apple Location Manager software is expected to ship on all 1400 series PowerBooks in early February, 1997 when Mac OS 7.6. is slated to ship. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: QuickTimeVR & OLiVR Message-ID: <8CF92BE.09B8000043.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 11:42:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Apple to Incorporate OLiVR Streaming Technology in QuickTime VR 2.0 --- OLiVR Corp. and Apple Computer, Inc., in an agreement aimed at improving the display of Web content, announced that Apple's QTVR 2.0 will incorporate OLiVR streaming technology. With the integration of Apple's QTVR 2.0, the premiere multimedia Web authoring tool, and OLiVR's patented fractal wavelet image compression and streaming technology, Web producers are now able to publish photorealistic, 3-D QTVR movies in real-time, or "streamed," without forcing users to wait for the download time currently required before viewing a QTVR movie. The Apple-OLiVR integration particularly enhances the Web's potential for net- based commerce, offering for the first time compelling 3-D content which is instantly accessible to user interaction. Under the agreement, Apple will work with OLiVR to enable OLiVR products to work with all of Apple's QTVR 2.0 technologies, including production tools, runtime software, technology framework and Internet plug-in. OLiVR, in turn, will support the QTVR 2.0 playback file format with its Production Toolkit and Viewer client software. Apple will bundle the QTVR 2.0-adapted OLiVR streaming technology, client software, and OLiVR's Interactive Image Database (IID) file format architecture into the QTVR 2.0 viewer, and will endorse the OLiVR Toolkit to Apple developers as a solution for streaming QTVR content. The streaming technology will be available separately from OLiVR. The agreement also ensures compatibility between QTVR 2.0 content and OLiVR Server software, allowing QTVR 2.0 content to leverage OLiVR Servers' advanced features, such as user preference tracking, user-customized content, and personalized Web page creation. Users will be able to interact with QTVR 2.0 movies using the Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer browser, which incorporate the Apple QTVR Player within Apple's QuickTime plug-in (http://quicktime.apple.com). A technology demonstration will be on display at Apple's main booth during the MACWORLD Expo/San Francisco trade show, January 7-10, 1997. "Apple's QuickTime Media Layer (QTML) technologies, including QuickTime VR, are extending the multimedia and virtual reality capabilities of the Web," said Bud Smith, QuickTime VR product marketing manager for Apple. "Media- rich QTVR-based Web content has a proven track record as an effective tool for increasing hit rates at corporate Web sites. OLiVR's streaming technologies now make QuickTime VR an even more powerful platform for next- generation Web-content creation. Apple is pleased to be working with OLiVR to provide Internet users with a comprehensive solution for compressing and streaming QuickTime VR multimedia files over the Web." "OLiVR is committed to supporting Apple's QuickTime VR architecture," said Jacob Guedalia, CEO of OLiVR Corp. "The tight integration of OLiVR's technologies and QTVR will accelerate the growing acceptance of QTVR as an Internet standard. The combined multimedia and streaming capabilities will enable new net-commerce site design, such as on-line shopping malls and catalogs with instantly interactive, streamed 3-D photorealism." QuickTime VR (QTVR) and OLiVR OLiVR embraces and extends the QuickTime VR development platform as defined by Apple. OLiVR's Production Toolkit can be used to create Apple QuickTime VR (QTVR) images (including objects and panoramas) with the OLiVR format, enabling the progressive streaming of QTVR images over the Web. As part of the ToolKit, OLiVR has developed a transcoder for transferring from QTVR to QTVR/OLiVR file format, which can be used with already existing QTVR files. Typically, the file size of an OLiVR- converted QTVR movie is 50 percent smaller; while high- quality images are obtained with only 10 percent of the movie downloaded, resulting in a 20-fold overall improvement. The new OLiVR authoring tool plug-in technology allows QTVR Web developers to create streamed 3-D images with which users can interact (see images from all views, zoom in, open, press buttons, try features) immediately. Users do not have to wait for the OLiVR-encoded QTVR movie to appear; it is will be accessible as soon as athe Web page itself is loaded. The OLiVR Production ToolKit is available at www.OLiVR.com. OLiVR's patented fractal wavelet compression algorithm essentially solves the Web's bandwidth bottleneck. OLiVR's patented Fractal Wavelet image compression and streaming capabilities create faster bandwidth transmission, better Web connectivity management, and best-possible rendered image quality. These unique factors ensure that visitors viewing any OLiVR-illustrated Web site will always see the highest- quality image at any point in the downloading process, with far less visual "noise" than existing technologies. Furthermore, OLiVR's patented compression/decompression technology makes possible resolution-independent rendering and bandwidth scalability through its unique Fractal and Wavelet components. OLiVR has developed the following technologies, which will fully support current and future versions of QuickTime VR: -- Compression encoding/decoding technology and algorithms based on fractal and wavelet imaging, significantly reducing file size and allowing enhanced interactivity, streaming and progressive rendering of panoramic movies and interactive images. -- Client/server software that enhances photorealistic panoramic movies and interactive images with advanced features such as user profile and preference tracking, and customized and personalized Web content generation. Compatible with OLiVR Servers, QTVR 2.0 web content will leverage OLiVR Servers' features. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MacOS 7.6 + Cyberdog Message-ID: <8CF9266.09B800003F.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:14:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 CYBERDOG 1.2 INTEGRATION WITH MAC OS 7.6 Apple today announced Mac OS 7.6 incorporating Cyberdog 1.2, a full- featured suite of Internet components with a common look and feel. Cyberdog 1. 2 includes user interface improvements, enhanced performance and new mail functionality. Users no longer need different tools as Cyberdog 1.2 offers a complete solution for mail, news, web access, FTP, telnet, and more. Cyberdog 1.2 also includes many built-in data-type viewers, such as GIF or JPEG files and provides Internet capability to applications written in OpenDoc. The tight integration of the Mac OS and Cyberdog allows users to easily drag and drop items between the two functions. A user can take a Cyberitem-- a live link to information--in the web browser and drag it to the desktop. This Cyberitem can then be used to launch Cyberdog 1.2 or access that particular resource. Files can also be dragged from the Mac OS Finder, Uniform Resource Locater links or email addresses in the Cyberdog 1.2 Notebook. Cyberdog 1.2 is available from Apple's website at: http://cyberdog. apple.com/. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 12:58:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> In article <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211>, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org >(Th.Huber) wrote: > >> >> RISC code can`t be speed up by more integration onto the chips, only by >clocking >> the CPU higher and higher. > >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched >to seperate execution units. > Risc need bigger cache, faster instruction fecth to execute the same logic. >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) > And need more bandwidth and faster/bigger cache. Having fixed size instruction is great, but this do not stop you from having more complex instruction doing more per instruction. >Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What >does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a >simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then executed. > Thats the amazing part too me... that this actually work :) It execute 3 variable size instruction per cycle.... >How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed >the RISC code directly? > Humm, the code size would probably double, so you need to spend $ on bigger cache and faster memory. >Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC >chip. > >This don't make CISC bad, just not better. > My view is, cisc better exploit the resource at hand... risc are alot faster/cheaper to design and improve giving them the edge. Even so, like some mentioned, at one time, the Pentiumpro was THE fastest CPU on earth for integer work :) > >(I won't even bring up the point that RISC chips have high clocks >"Because they can"!) > My only concern with risc chip is their efficientcy. Not data wise tho. > >In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in >a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is >written against a particular CPU will be shortlived. > Yes, but it will live long enought to make sense to do it. (I mean hand written specific CPU code) >Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against >8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but >very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. > Code written for the P5 might run VERY porrly on a P6 etc... > >Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. > My advice... Write in the language that fit the best, and hand optimize assembly version of the critical part (If any). Most compiler today can produce code as much as 4 time slower as human rewritten code. Stephan
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NXHost from HP->Motorola Date: 8 Jan 1997 21:05:31 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5b126r$o1p@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> I've been trying to NXHost from an HP to a Motorola box and have been having some difficulty. I've gotten it to work, but it is incredibly unstable. I'm wondering if it is just going to be inherently unstable, or if I should invest some time in trying to get it to work better. Both machines are running 3.3. Thanks much - Jon -- Jon Haveman http://intrepid.mgmt.purdue.edu/ Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 742-7961 (Home)
From: serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:40:45 +0100 Organization: Happiness is a computer called Macintosh :-) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> écrivait : > Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible > for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think > any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip > each individual result in 1 cycle? Can a Pentium MMX access 8 values in memory in 1 cycle ? No ! And there is few common programs who need this kind of integer work. MMX will be very interesting for games ! -- Email : Serge.Rossi@wanadoo.fr ; Serge.Rossi@renault.fr Fidonet : 2:320/405.42 ; 2:320/109.42 First Class : Serge Rossi,Ellis Web : http://www.burpteam.home.ml.org/
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@texas.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Background Patterns with 3.2? Date: 8 Jan 1997 21:55:15 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Message-ID: <5b1543$au3@news3.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anybody know a way I can get background images, or even just a pattern, on my NeXTStep 3.2 (moto) desktop? all I can seem to do with the "factory" software is a solid shade of grey... -- Bill Bradford (BB2623) Systems Admin, UNIX geek, BOFH mrbill@texas.net * mrbill@mrbill.net Texas Networking, Inc. "I'ts hard to beleive that the entire fate of 823 Congress, Suite 440 the world lies in the hands of the Phone Austin, TX 78701 Company" - War of the Worlds http://www.texas.net
From: kevin@raven.dartmouth.edu (Kevin P. Parks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OmniWeb.app 2.5 for NeXT 3.2? Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:40:03 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Music Dept. Message-ID: <5b147j$5l5@raven.dartmouth.edu> Hi! I am still using OmniWeb 1.0. I Noticed that 2.5 is out, and i would love to be able to use it, but it doesn't seem to work on 3.2. Does this mean that if you have NeXTSTep 3.2, you are forever stuck with 1.0 ? Anyone got a Better FREE (!!!) Web browser for the next or have a newer OmniWeb working on an '040 running 3.2? cheers, -kp--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701081410.JAA29966@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 7154d90a01275337814d2d31b8836a6d - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 09:10:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Spice for NeXT Black... Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 7154d90a01275337814d2d31b8836a6d - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Timothy Stonis <timothy@sirius.com> Original Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 14:04:02 -0800 > Does anyone know if there is a version of Spice for NeXT? Thanks... Yes there is, send me an email message with the SUBJECT search-peak spice for the URLs. Or, for a case-sensitive search, use search-peak -c Spice TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-) Here is what ps gives me: > > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND > ..... > antoine 492 63.9 3.3 806M 1.06M ? R 10:47 OmniWeb > ..... > > Any clues ? Should I modify my lowat ? I would. Figure out how much swapspace you're willing to live without, and then set LOWAT to that. Then make a new swapfile using 'mkfile' that is the size of LOWAT (just setting the LOWAT setting won't make the swapfile that size) If you can find a small disk and use that as a swapdisk, you'll be happy with the improved performance. > btw, I have 31mb of ram. 31 meg? That seems an odd amount. Anyway, at base your swapfile should be that size. I've got 32ram and my swapfile on my swapdisk is set to a lowat of 80megs. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 8 Jan 1997 23:25:28 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5b1ad8$osu@josie.abo.fi> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> Andrew Carol, in <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211>: [...] >Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against >8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but >very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. surely you jest. comparing wall clock times between the original 8086 and the P5, the latter should still be an order of magnitude or two faster, optimal or suboptimal. -- "...it's all wrong but it's alright..." -- Clapton
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@texas.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb.app 2.5 for NeXT 3.2? Date: 8 Jan 1997 23:36:20 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Message-ID: <5b1b1k$au3@news3.texas.net> References: <5b147j$5l5@raven.dartmouth.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kevin P. Parks <kevin@raven.dartmouth.edu> wrote: : Hi! I am still using OmniWeb 1.0. I Noticed that 2.5 : is out, and i would love to be able to use it, but it doesn't : seem to work on 3.2. Does this mean that if you have NeXTSTep : 3.2, you are forever stuck with 1.0 ? Anyone got a Better : FREE (!!!) Web browser for the next or have a newer OmniWeb : working on an '040 running 3.2? : cheers, : -kp-- Install the FoundationKit for 3.3 (available on NeXTAnswers), and Omniweb 2.5 works fine on 3.2... I use it every day. bill -- Bill Bradford (BB2623) Systems Admin, UNIX geek, BOFH mrbill@texas.net * mrbill@mrbill.net Texas Networking, Inc. "I'ts hard to beleive that the entire fate of 823 Congress, Suite 440 the world lies in the hands of the Phone Austin, TX 78701 Company" - War of the Worlds http://www.texas.net
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: 9 Jan 1997 01:39:21 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b1i89$97i@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5at6oq$dr9@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <5b0lsp$77l$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <5b0lsp$77l$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> On 01/08/97, Yves Pons wrote: > There was also an App named I think Max which was made by the > French Institute & laboratory Ircam. It could used a special card > which used 4 DSP named Ariel. > The second App is the musik kit made by the CCRMA. > Not quite -- the Ariel QuintProcessor (five DSPs) enabled extensions to the NeXT's inherent DSP capabilities; MusicKit could take advantage of this it it was there. Max ran on the ISPW (Ircam Signal Processing Workstation) -- a truly awesome beast with, if I remember rightly, two i860s in addition to another 56k. Up to three of these cards could be put into a Cube, and up to four Cubes joined together, producing a staggering (for the time, and even for now) compute power (1.92 GFlops?). Max was a programming language for combining abstract DSP elements for real-time synthesis (there was also a GUI for it, called Animal if I remember rightly). Corrections welcome. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: nervous@system.net (Nervous) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 9 Jan 1997 01:30:33 GMT Organization: Central Nervous System Distribution: inet Message-ID: <nervous-0801972031070001@ascend3.netrover.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <E3nG0s.Gyy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <5avm6c$v95@white.koehntopp.de> Whoever started this pathetic thread can eat shit. -- rhapsody: rhap.so.dy \'rap-s*d-e-\ n recitation of selections from epic poetry; a highly emotional utterance or literary work; RAPTURE, ECSTASY; the new Macintosh OS.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Message-ID: <1997Jan8.185101.91410@cc.usu.edu> From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 8 Jan 97 18:51:00 MDT References: <199701051705.MAA18791@nerc.com> <jbf-ya023580000601970202220001@news.tiac.net> <5augh4$q29@news.acns.nwu.edu> Cc: jburton@nwu.edu In <5augh4$q29@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > I'm a little confused about all these people who are conceding we lack > "dial on demand" under NeXTstep, perhaps because I don't know what the > Windoze world means by dial on demand. My 1994-vintage SLIP setup, > courtesy of Louis Mamakos, is ancestral to the later NeXT freeware > SLIP and PPP implementations, both of which were alleged to be much > easier to set up than the three-hour hair-pull I went through when I > set up my ancient version. (I have no first-hand experience with the > PNI SLIP or PPP, because what I have has worked flawlessly for almost > three years, and I didn't want to monkey with it.) Anyway, the setup > I have now will hang up an unused line after a user-settable interval, > and will bring up the SLIP line automatically whenever any app sends > outgoing packets, unless I have specifically disabled it when I last > brought it down. Unless there has been some weird retrogression, the > two more modern packages almost certainly do the same thing. If this > isn't "dial on demand", what is? Just wondering.... Mamakos' old SLIP did indeed have true dial-on-demand. The later versions, beginning with the PNI versions, did not. Neither does the PPP package. You're thinking that just because this feature exists in previous versions, it must have propagated intact to the later versions. However progress is not always what it seems.
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: where to get Sonata font? Date: 9 Jan 1997 02:57:57 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b1mrl$bc3@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <E3pD3E.JGA@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <E3pD3E.JGA@midway.uchicago.edu> On 01/08/97, Coffee wrote: > Adobe says they don't have it. Does anyone know where I can order the > Sonata font for a NeXTStation? > I believe about the only way now is to buy a Mac version from Adobe and convert it? Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: kevin@raven.dartmouth.edu (Kevin P. Parks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: (new vi) nvi-1.71 for 3.2 Date: 8 Jan 1997 19:56:19 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <5b1fnj$6bj@raven.dartmouth.edu> Hi! As an old vi user i would like to give the new vi a whirl. Anyone have the latest nvi compiled for NeXT m68k 3.2? I saw nvi 1.71, but it was only compiled for 3.3 thanks in advance. -kp-- ps. Anyone know it there is www site for the nvi development? I would love to know what its new features are.
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: where to get Sonata font? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 22:57:19 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580000801972257190001@news.tiac.net> References: <E3pD3E.JGA@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <E3pD3E.JGA@midway.uchicago.edu>, bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) wrote: > Adobe says they don't have it. Does anyone know where I can order the > Sonata font for a NeXTStation? Ther are a number of cheap notation packages for the Mac that include Sonata clones. You can buy one - usually for under $50 - and rename the ps font description. I did that with the font in Passport's Music Time and it worked perfectly with NeXT notation apps. There are a few differences in symbols you don't need. Barney
From: mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 8 Jan 1997 07:54:25 GMT Organization: Puppy Dog Software Distribution: inet Message-ID: <mmunz-0801970053350001@slc-dial-28.inconnect.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> In article <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org>, judas@tomtec.abg.sub.org (Th.Huber) wrote: >>I will leave you with this thought: >>Reduced Instruction Set = Less Transistors = Lower Cost. > >It isn`t as simple as that. > >RISC uses a reduced instructionset, to use all of the available transistors >to speed up these instructions. RISC uses carry-look-ahead logic to do very >quick maths, while plain CISC takes lots of cycles to get the same thing done. Actually, RISC stands for Reduced Instruction Set Computer. But, it does not necessarily mean less instructions (I believe PPC has some 200 instructions). The term refers to the ISA (Instruction Set Architecture) and not the processor. What RISC can be thought of is: A large uniform register set A load/store architecture A minimal number of addressing modes A simple fixed-length instruction encoding No/minimal support for misaligned accesses btw.. there is an interesting book by Kip McClanahan called "PowerPC Programming for Intel Programmers" to gives a side-by-side comparison of the x86 and the PPC differences in architecture and such. Even though I'm not an x86 programmer, I still found the book to be full of good explanations of how the PPC worked. Mark Munz
From: John Hornkvist Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Recognizing Filename extensions... Date: 9 Jan 1997 00:35:43 GMT Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Högskola Message-ID: <5b1egv$qmk@nyheter.chalmers.se> References: <5b0sb5$g88@news-2.csn.net> Cc: bff@icarus In <5b0sb5$g88@news-2.csn.net> Brendan Forsyth wrote: >How do I get NS to recognize filename extensions other than those >already registered? I want .pl (perl) to be opened by Emacs.app rather >then Edit.app. I placed the following entry in my >.NeXT/suffixes3_1.i386.wmd file: > >pl = (/LocalApps/Emacs.app/Emacs, plfile); > >But it doesn't work. It also appears that this file gets overwritten >at some point in time. I think it gets overwritten at login. You can always recompile Emacs, that's what I did... :) It think a better way may be to use "otool" on the emacs binary. >I'd like the same functionality for .gz files too. Get Opener.app! It does most such things. --- John Hornkvist --- nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se Working on MSc in Computer Engineering, and MSc in Industrial Engineering and Management of Technology Does anyone need a NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP savvy programmer for the summer of '97? Sorry for not leaving my address in the header, but I get too many spam mails already... If you want to reach me, try nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se
From: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How can I change the icon and default link of a document. Date: 9 Jan 1997 06:24:41 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5b22v9$qh@transfer.stratus.com> Hi! I just installed Movie3.0. This software changed the icons of all my .txt and .gif files and link these files to it. Every time I double click on gif file, Movie3.0 was triggered, although ImageViewer should be triggered. Anyone knows how can I change the icons back (Of cause, restore the link of.txt file with Edit and .gif with ImageViewer). Thanks. Edward.
From: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Khoros for NextStep? Date: 9 Jan 1997 10:29:22 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at> Does such a thing exist? Thanks, khanh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Thilo Stueve <tstuve@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> Subject: Miranda on Mach/NeXT Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <32D4C5B9.5B7C@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:17:29 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld Is the functional programming language Miranda available for Mach/NeXT?
From: Sebastian Niesen <sniesen@imib.rwth-aachen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MacOS 7.6 + Cyberdog Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 14:32:34 +0100 Organization: NaixT - The NEXTSTEP User Group Aachen Message-ID: <32D4F372.39BF@imib.rwth-aachen.de> References: <8CF9266.09B800003F.uuout@moondog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No offence meant, but if I wanted all this Macintosh information, I'd read the macintosh newsgroups. Just because NeXT is no more doesn't mean that we all become very interested in Apple all of a sudden. Sebastian _______________________________________________________________________________ Sebastian Niesen sniesen@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Student Of Computer Science sniesen@imib.rwth-aachen.de RWTH Aachen http://www-users.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~sniesen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Message-ID: <199701090532.AAA13520@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 00:32:00 -0500 Subject: "emil" for NeXTStep? Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Any of you gurus out there manage to compile 'emil' (it's a mail thing that will change MIME message types, such as changing quoted printable to 8bit -- especially useful in procmail scripts). Source is at: ftp://ftp.uu.se/pub/unix/networking/mail/emil/emil-2.1.0-beta9.tar.gz http://www.uu.se/emil/ but it didn't compile for me and I don't know enough to try and debug it. If anyone has it, please let me know! TIA TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
From: Enigma <llay@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to do POP mail? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:13:03 -0800 Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970109010540.2755A-100000@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm wondering how I might send/retrieve mail using POP in NeXT/OPENSTEP? My ISP only allow me to use POP for retrieving mail. I found a couple of Unix programs that can retrieve mail by POP, but how do I configure NeXTMail/Pine/elm/whatever to put my POP account address instead of my local made-up machine name when I send mail? Ideas and experiences appreciated... Luke.
From: Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz <neideck@kar.dec.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 17:15:20 +0100 Organization: Digital CEC Karlsruhe Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D51998.4875@kar.dec.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <nervous-0701970809040001@ascend17.netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nervous wrote: > Too bad NT is not being supported on Alpha platforms...or _any_ RISC chip! Mmh. Why would you think that NT is *not* supported on Alpha ? Just because both MIPS and PowerPC chickened out of NT doesn't mean that Digital would. NT most certainly is supported across the entire line of Alpha machines. As a matter of fact, Digital only today introduced new NT Alphas (cheap 433 and 500 Mhz workstations with SDRAM main memory systems). Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz CEC Karlsruhe , European Applied Research Center, Digital Equip. Corp. email: neideck@kar.dec.com 433Mhz 21164, 64 MB RAM, 3.2 GB disk, 17" monitor, NT included: just $3999 SPEC95 12.6e/12.0e, See http://www.enorex.com/ for details
From: jdevlin@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadm Subject: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: 9 Jan 1997 17:00:31 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <5b387f$t4r@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> However nice the new Apple OS turns out to be, retraining is going to be a major stumbling block. EVERY effort should be made to make the transition as easy as possible. WatchMe.app is perfect for this job and should be bundled with the OS. If you're unfamiliar with the app, WatchMe has an interface that's similar to a VCR, and it allows you to make binary "audio-cassettes" which capture all the activity on screen (mouse movements, keyboard input, etc.) with audio annotations. You can edit, save and replay these tapes at will. You can even drag them directly into a NEXTMail message. SUGGESTION: The new Apple OS should come with an entire CDRom library of WatchMe cassettes on every conceivable topic. For every bundled app, there should be a general overview along with individual tapes on particular topics. Third party developers should be encouraged to ship their products in the same way. Updates could be provided on Web sites. If you rewrite the app in Java, people could even play them in their browsers. People would RAVE about the tool and would be PLEASED to ride their way up the learning curve. System administrators could develop local libraries as a first line of support. Administration and training costs would plummet. There's just no comparison between the effectiveness of SHOWING someone how to do something on a computer as opposed to giving them printed instructions. In the past, printed instructions offered an advantage insofar as they could be saved, copied and distributed. With WatchMe, all the advantages now lay on the other side. But note: The balance of the benefits depend upon the ubiquity of the tool. It really ought to be something that's available to every developer and every user for free (ie, bundled with the OS). When something is available which would offer such tremendous value, it would be a big mistake to pass on it. -- John Devlin Department of Philosophy The University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 - 1003
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Message-ID: <1997Jan9.121330.760@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Cc: luomat@nerc.com Organization: Disorganization References: <199701061532.KAA08382@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:13:30 GMT In <199701061532.KAA08382@nerc.com> Timothy J Luoma wrote: > "best" is such a relative term on these groups, I'll point you to OmniWeb > > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/www/OmniWeb/OmniWeb.2.1.5/OmniWeb.2.1.5.N.tar.gz > > which is "best" for me because it is free and wildly supported. The new 2.5 (beta) versions of Omniweb run much faster than the old 2.1.5. This is especially true for old cubes and slabs, where Omniweb was almost unusable due to its "speed". -- C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MacOS 7.6 + Cyberdog Date: 9 Jan 97 12:37:03 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AEFA96F3-CC402@207.147.62.179> References: <32D4F372.39BF@imib.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-000CC30B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-000CC30B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 9, 1997 8:32 AM, Sebastian Niesen <mailto:sniesen@imib.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > No offence meant, but if I wanted all this Macintosh information, > I'd read the macintosh newsgroups. Just because NeXT is no more doesn't > mean that we all become very interested in Apple all of a sudden. Strikes me that if you have any interest in current NeXT information, then you must have an interest in Apple, otherwise, you are living in the past, which is fine for historians and the Moody Blues, but less useful for people in the technology industry. 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From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to do POP mail? Date: 9 Jan 1997 17:25:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5b39ms$9rh$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970109010540.2755A-100000@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Enigma <llay@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> wrote: > >Hi, > >I'm wondering how I might send/retrieve mail using POP in NeXT/OPENSTEP? >My ISP only allow me to use POP for retrieving mail. I found a couple of >Unix programs that can retrieve mail by POP, but how do I configure >NeXTMail/Pine/elm/whatever to put my POP account address instead of my local >made-up machine name when I send mail? > >Ideas and experiences appreciated... > >Luke. > Get PopOver.app from next-ftp.peak.org to retrieve your mail. The best way to set up sending mail is to use the masqurading feature of the new sendmail. There is also alot of good info. on Timothy's page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Hope this helps. --Ryan
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How can I change the icon and default link of a document. Date: 9 Jan 1997 17:30:00 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5b39uo$9rh$2@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5b22v9$qh@transfer.stratus.com> edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) wrote: >Hi! > >I just installed Movie3.0. This software changed the icons of all my .txt >and .gif files and link these files to it. Every time I double click on >gif file, Movie3.0 was triggered, although ImageViewer should be >triggered. Anyone knows how can I change the icons back (Of cause, restore >the link of.txt file with Edit and .gif with ImageViewer). Thanks. > >Edward. Select one .gif or .txt files and use command-3 to open the tools inspector. Set the application which you want to be the default application. Note: this may or maynot return the original icons. I have had mixed results. It seems that the last installed application's icon gets priority inspite of the Inspector/tools setting. --Ryan
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Dantz's/Zulch's opinion Message-ID: <8CFC24F.09B8000055.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 09:51:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Nobody asked for Richard Zulch's opinion, and his decision to send out this press release is a bit egotistical IMO, but his ideas are nevertheless well thought out and reasonable. ### Analysis of Apple MacOS and NeXT OpenStep According to Richard Zulch, CTO of Dantz Development Corporation 01/06/97 Business Wire ORINDA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6, 1997--Richard Zulch, CTO of Dantz Development Corporation, offers this perspective on the potential, and potential pitfalls, of Apple's acquisition of NexT: THE OS STORY Apple had to reach outside to replace the current dated and unstable MacOS because their R&D group completely bankrupted its capacity to claim future accomplishments. The BeOS story was flashy but not deep. The risk was that BeOS would be (accurately) seen as an unproven OS of questionable practicality and salability. Also, the BeOS story would be easy to grasp and thus easy to dismiss. Next provides a proven product with a forward technological direction and strong Internet component. It balances its non-mainstream innovations with a standards-oriented UNIX heritage. It is difficult to dismiss the Next story because the technology is deep and well-developed. TECHNOLOGY Tempting though it may be to label Next's technology "old," Next's engineers have been using the years since its introduction to quietly create a truly impressive piece of software. Curiously, it appears that its relative lack of popularity prevented distortions that market pressures can bring to such an engineering effort. Apple is really buying OpenStep, a portable object-based application environment. Next is currently shipping a version of OpenStep for use with Microsoft Windows NT in addition to versions for several RISC workstations. Apple must combine OpenStep with other technologies. First, Apple must pick an OS kernel such as the Mach kernel used by Linux, or NuKernel, an almost completed part of Apple's Copland project. Second, Apple needs drivers for current hardware and peripherals. Third, Apple must provide a System 7 compatibility environment that runs upon the selected OS kernel. Fourth, Apple must integrate important System 7 facilities such as QuickTime and ColorSync into the OpenStep environment. The result is a stable, modern, high-performance OS that can run legacy System 7 applications as well as new OpenStep applications. STRATEGY Platform strategies are difficult to control. Microsoft has achieved little success with Windows NT running on non-Intel hardware. Novell made large investments in PIN (Processor Independent Netware) before giving up. Customers see hardware purchases as both a current investment and a foundation for future investment. Price and performance are often outweighed by the perceived risks of straying from the mainstream, explaining why people buy 200 MHz Pentium Pro computers instead of 400 MHz DEC Alpha machines for the same price. Competitors to a mainstream platform cannot be just faster or cheaper. Apple was able to successfully compete when it had a graphical user interface and the mainstream didn't. Once Microsoft brought out Windows 3, that advantage was lost. Apple attempted to compete first in performance with PowerPC, then in price by sacrificing margins. Neither was terribly successful. Apple's past initiatives have centered around major innovations like Desktop Publishing. In recent years they've searched for the Next Big Thing without notable success. To avoid being at the mercy of these unpredictable hits, Apple must execute well on the day-to-day business, leaving the door open to capitalize on innovations when they come along. Even without the Next Big Thing, Apple is able to make products that people find uniquely attractive. Apple must enhance the Mac qualities of elegance, style, attention to detail in the human interface, attractive typefaces on screen, and overall solidity. The key benefit of Next's technology is that it gives Apple a viable foundation for delivering these qualities as well as future innovations. THE VISION Apple will craft a transition strategy that allows recent Macintosh purchasers to upgrade without losing their application software investment. Developers will take advantage of new OS features without completely rewriting their products. During the transition, customers will continue to buy Macs because Apple will promise that all currently shipping hardware will work with the new OS. However, it's unlikely that Apple can attract new customers until they have something to sell. This acquisition reflects an important change of view. In the past, Apple focused on flash instead of depth, with a vague bias against business customers. But now they seem to realize that customers won't buy a Macintosh for their home if they never see them at work. OpenStep has the potential to be a top-notch business tool. So the plan must be to meld MacOS and OpenStep into a new platform that scales from desktop PCs to servers. Inheriting both the traditional Mac constituency as well as many of the disaffected UNIX advocates, Apple plays upon Microsoft's inability to execute a successful merger of Windows 95 and NT that makes the whole PC market happy. The goal, the dream, would be a 25% market share for the Apple/Next software company within three years. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Apple OS Components Message-ID: <8CFC24F.09B8000056.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 09:51:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 NeXT chapter for Mac OS Apple To Renovate System; Compatibility Path Unclear (from an article in the 1/06/97 MacWeek) Three weeks of negotiations and $400 million bought Apple more than just a time-tested OS with the industrial-strength underpinnings System 7 lacks. The company also got a development environment that wins plaudits from programmers, a product line that runs on all of today's leading microprocessors--and a host of unanswered questions about how these technologies will be combined with the OS that today defines the Macintosh. In light of the urgency expressed by executives of both companies, observers are betting that the initial release due by the end of 1997 will resemble the current version of NeXTstep--a k a OpenStep/Mach--the full OS NeXT currently offers for Intel, SPARC and 68040 processors. That system's critical components include: KERNEL At its lowest levels, the NeXT OS has always been based on Version 2.5 of Mach, a kernel originally developed at Carnegie-Mellon University. The kernel handles low-level interaction with the hardware, including memory management and pre-emptive scheduling of processes and threads. It was designed to support symmetric multiprocessing, a capability Tevanian said will be included from the outset in the new Mac OS, though it is not implemented in NeXT's current products. UNIX Above the kernel, OpenStep/Mach emulates the Berkeley Standard Distribution 4.3 implementation of Unix, including a high-performance, high- reliability file system. The OS also supports other file systems, including Apple's Hierarchical File System and Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Network File System. DISPLAY POSTSCRIPT The system relies on Display PostScript, a screen-oriented version of Adobe Systems Inc.'s page-description language, as its imaging engine. When it was introduced, some critics said the technology was cumbersome and slow. Apple passed it up in favor of developing its own advanced imaging system, QuickDraw GX--in part, no doubt, to avoid the royalties NeXT pays Adobe. Tevanian said Apple and NeXT had not yet approached Adobe about the future of the PostScript license, and he said the team could switch to another engine if necessary. But he vigorously defended Display PostScript: "Absolutely no one complains about the speed. On the contrary, everyone is amazed at how fast it is and, perhaps more importantly, how nice the screen looks." OBJECTIVE C The NeXT system's most distinguishing feature has always been its application environment, which is based on a rich library of objects created in the Objective C language. Developer versions of OpenStep include Interface Builder, a tool that enables programmers to create applications by linking and subclassing the built-in objects; all versions also include a runtime engine that executes such applications by dynamically binding objects as needed. Because Objective C is by all accounts cleaner and simpler than its more widely used cousin, C++, and NeXT's object libraries provide so much of the functionality applications require, most developers and analysts agree that NeXT's environment makes creating and enhancing applications far faster than standard development systems. Applications written for OpenStep on one platform can normally be ported to another OpenStep system simply by recompiling. Originally the system supported only Objective C--a requirement that has disturbed some programmers who prefer to stick with other languages. But NeXT has already developed some ways for programmers to use C and C++ code in its environment and Metrowerks Inc. of Austin, Texas, said it will modify its CodeWarrior development system to give programmers a wider range of choices. In addition, Tevanian noted that the latest version of WebObjects, NeXT's Objective C-based server-application tool kit, gives users access to all functions from Sun Java. The same language-bridging technology, he said, is likely to be rolled into Apple's new OS. The biggest questions facing Apple, its developers and its customers are how and when the new OS will support existing Mac applications; what older Apple hardware it will run on; which Mac system services --above all the QuickTime Media Layer, but also other technologies, such as OpenDoc, Open Transport and Apple Guide--will be ported to the new OS; and what the new system will look and feel like. Prior to this week's keynote, Apple brass had few answers except to say that the initial release would probably look mostly like NeXTstep and not run System 7 applications. They promised, however, that subsequent releases would fuse the best technologies from both companies. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE (Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hntopp?=) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 9 Jan 1997 11:58:58 GMT Organization: Pinguin an Bord. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b2mi2$7qh@white.koehntopp.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) writes: >Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> écrivait : >> Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible >> for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think >> any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip >> each individual result in 1 cycle? >Can a Pentium MMX access 8 values in memory in 1 cycle ? No ! >And there is few common programs who need this kind of integer work. >MMX will be very interesting for games ! "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in 1 cycle?" It can't. The question is: Should it? This is from the c't 1/97, page 233 (translation by me): begin grey box. MMX vs. PowerPC: sobering Thanks to MMX certain multimedia applications on the Pentium are sped up by a factor of four or five. Great. But when Pentiums main competitor, PPC, is given the same tasks, this impressive gain is somewhat less impressive. We have given Intels parade example, texturizing, to the competition. The PPC was represented by a Power Computing PowerBase 200 (PPC 603e/200MHz, Apple Performa Board) and an older Power Macintosh 7500 with a newer CPU board (PPC 604e/150 MHz). The PPC 604e should really be compared to a PentiumPro, but it fits into our little test, because even with CPU board it is much cheaper than a MMX Pentium. Even the little PPC does our little test only 20% slower than the MMX chip. The 604e is even a little faster, despite the slower clock [The MMX was 200 MHz -- KK ]. And that's with normal, slightly optimized C code on the PPCs, while the Pentium was driven by handoptimized assembler code. A Pentium with the same C code and without MMX is left behind by a factor of four. Even the PentiumPro 200 does not come even close. In real world applications, here with a beta of Photoshop 4.0, the MMX is at best en par with PPC, in most cases it is dramatically slower. Adobe praises their Photoshop as 'optimized for MMX', but there are only a few functions that are noticeably sped up. So either Adobes programmers have feared the expensive and error-prone manual assembler coding or MMX is only good for few specialized tasks. Meanwhile Apple has announced multimedia enhancements which are to be integrated into Quickdraw and which will be activated automatically on all systems with a Philips TriMedia-Chip. Before that some US computing papers reported that PPC has nothing to set against Intels MMX concept. They don't need to, so much is clear from our results. end grey box. Other facts from the c't article: MPEG decoding only sped up by 40% (Intels numbers). External specialized hardware is several factors faster. c't has doubts that MPEG-2 (for DVD) can be decoded without external hardware. MIPS and Alpha have announced features comparable to MMX, SUN and HP already have such features. All RISC competitors have more registers than MMX (31 or 32), some can even use MMX and floating point in parallel (MIPS MDMX for example). c't does not recommend a MMX upgrade, except for some special applications. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Wassilystrasse 30, 24113 Kiel, +49 431 688897 "Eigentlich waere ich eher fuer die Einrichtung von de.soc.apathie, aber so wichtig ist mir das auch nicht..." -- ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:48:55 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5b3ein$4ie@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> In article <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) writes: |> My personal felling: If motorola had put as much effort in a 68070 |> as intel did with their Ppro we probably would have had something |> totaly amazing. Unfortunately, Intel was selling 10x as many '486s as Motorola was selling 68040s. This (very roughly) means that Intel had 10x the resources to pour into Pentium and PPro as Motorola had to spend on 68060 and (purely hypothetical) 68070. Ya gotta stay in business. Sales volumes and Alliances are the way to go. IBM and Motorola joining forces was a good thing. What happened to all the other 32-bit processor architectures from the early '80s? None are left as general-purpose CPUs for computers. Every one got creamed by x86's sales volumes. Of the processor architectures currently on the market: x86, HPPA, PPC, Alpha, MIPS, SPARC, ARM, etc. which ones are going to have the sales volumes to keep up, and which ones won't generate enough revenues to pay for the research and engineering of the next generation? Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MouseX ofter freezes -- help Date: 9 Jan 97 18:24:21 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32d537d5.0@news.hampshire.edu> I'm running MouseX X11R5 v2.5 (i believe) on my station. It works great, except that it often freezes when switching between the NS window manager and Xwindows. Often when I click on Xfe.app and 'resume X' to get back in to Xwindows, I get a spinning cursor, and it hangs. I still have access to the NS window manager, but I have to kill all my X processes and start over again, which is needless to say, a big problem :) Does anybody know of either a solution, or an email address to send bugs or questions? Thanks! -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadm Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:47:04 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <5b387f$t4r@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > SUGGESTION: The new Apple OS should come with an entire CDRom > library of WatchMe cassettes on every conceivable topic. For > every bundled app, there should be a general overview along with > individual tapes on particular topics. Third party developers > should be encouraged to ship their products in the same way. > Updates could be provided on Web sites. If you rewrite the app > in Java, people could even play them in their browsers. People > would RAVE about the tool and would be PLEASED to ride their way > up the learning curve. System administrators could develop local > libraries as a first line of support. Administration and training > costs would plummet. This is a _stunning_ idea, and could go miles toward making the new platform, for two reasons. (1) It increases the degree to which we can sell old Mac users on the NeXT Way, thereby making it feasible for Apple to gut our GUI less severely than they otherwise would. And (2) it is the sort of drop-dead demonstration that might make frustrated users of other OS's take a second look at what we've got. Could you please try forwarding this to Avie, and perhaps even Steve himself? I think it's an idea that ought to be discussed up at the decision-making level as soon as possible, since the small effort needed to make it real is mostly organizational. The essential tools are already there! `It takes users a while to come |============================================ to grips with the intuitive way | Joshua Burton (847)677-3902 jburton@nwu.edu Windows works.' - B.Gates, 9/93 |============================================
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cancel <32d537d5.0@news.hampshire.edu> Control: cancel <32d537d5.0@news.hampshire.edu> Date: 9 Jan 97 19:10:14 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32d54296.0@news.hampshire.edu> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
From: nospam@spammers.suck.com (MT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to do POP mail? Date: 9 Jan 1997 20:09:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5b3ja6$nqp@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970109010540.2755A-100000@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> Enigma <llay@sdcc10.ucsd.edu> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm wondering how I might send/retrieve mail using POP in NeXT/OPENSTEP? > My ISP only allow me to use POP for retrieving mail. I found a couple of > Unix programs that can retrieve mail by POP, but how do I configure > NeXTMail/Pine/elm/whatever to put my POP account address instead of my local > made-up machine name when I send mail? > > Ideas and experiences appreciated... Grab PopOver from the archives (next-ftp.peak.org). It does the job perfectly... -- Mark Trombino mtrombin@ix.netcom.com (NEXTMail, MIME Mail okay)
From: nospam@spammers.suck.com (MT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: music writing programs? Date: 9 Jan 1997 20:05:43 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5b3j2n$nqp@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <5at6oq$dr9@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> <5b0lsp$77l$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <5b1i89$97i@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > On 01/08/97, Yves Pons wrote: > > There was also an App named I think Max which was made by the > > French Institute & laboratory Ircam. It could used a special card > > which used 4 DSP named Ariel. > > The second App is the musik kit made by the CCRMA. > > > Not quite -- the Ariel QuintProcessor (five DSPs) enabled extensions to the > NeXT's inherent DSP capabilities; MusicKit could take advantage of this it it > was there. > > Max ran on the ISPW (Ircam Signal Processing Workstation) -- a truly awesome > beast with, if I remember rightly, two i860s in addition to another 56k. Up > to three of these cards could be put into a Cube, and up to four Cubes joined > together, producing a staggering (for the time, and even for now) compute > power (1.92 GFlops?). Max was a programming language for combining abstract > DSP elements for real-time synthesis (there was also a GUI for it, called > Animal if I remember rightly). > > Corrections welcome. > IRCAM's Max is what eventually was bought by Opcode, right? If so... Max has its own GUI, which allows you to drag and drop DSP elements and connect them together by draging between them. You're able to create extreamely powerful signal processors graphically rather than by coding them by hand. Incidently, Max runs on regular old NeXT hardware as well. I don't think its in the public domain, but I've seen a version of it running at UCSD (David Jaffe is there now). The version I've seen doesn't handle MIDI events, however, because NEXTSTEP handles realtime events poorly, or something like that. With the Rhapsody, perhaps this won't be a problem? -- Mark Trombino mtrombin@ix.netcom.com (NEXTMail, MIME Mail okay)
From: serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:30:36 +0100 Organization: Happiness is a computer called Macintosh :-) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> <5b2mi2$7qh@white.koehntopp.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kristian Köhntopp <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> écrivait : > "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in > 1 cycle?" > > It can't. The question is: Should it? Multiplying 8 values at a time is 8 times faster only if you get these 8 values from the memory at the same time ! Of course, it can't. The memory is not 8 times faster :-) IMHO, even without MMX like functions, today's processors are very memory bound. This greatly reduces the interest of these SIMD instructions. > This is from the c't 1/97, page 233 (translation by me): > > begin grey box. > > MMX vs. PowerPC: sobering Very interesting ;-) -- Email : Serge.Rossi@wanadoo.fr ; Serge.Rossi@renault.fr Fidonet : 2:320/405.42 ; 2:320/109.42 First Class : Serge Rossi,Ellis Web : http://www.burpteam.home.ml.org/
From: bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: RISC vs. CISC? Date: 9 Jan 1997 21:05:25 GMT Organization: University of Regina, Dept. of Computer Science Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b3mil$jrc@sue.cc.uregina.ca> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> <petrichE3oLqK.9Ln@netcom.com> In article <petrichE3oLqK.9Ln@netcom.com>, Loren Petrich <petrich@netcom.com> wrote: >* There are a large number of registers (32 in the case of the PowerPC). > >This helps avoid making a lot of memory accesses, since intermediate >results can often be stored in some register. A downside is that for a >function call (say), there are that many more values to be stored and >loaded. Parameters can be passed in registers, reducing memory accesses when calling functions (leaf functions may even be called with no saves at all). Some RISC processors (SPARC, AMD 29K, 80C166) also have register windows, eliminating register saves completely when calling functions. -- John Bayko (Tau). bayko@cs.uregina.ca http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~bayko
From: carloskessel@montreal.com.br (Carlos Kessel) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:06:32 GMT Organization: MI - Montreal Informatica Message-ID: <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: >Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? ... >Arnold Shore >Annapolis, MD That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a downloadable PDF file in a site would be: - Maintaining the original design - Including all images - Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. However, I'm still curious about all this Acrobat hoopla. I know some big fans of PDF. .................................. Carlos Kessel Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Khoros for NextStep? Date: 9 Jan 1997 22:31:14 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b3rji$s76@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at> Cc: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at In <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at> Khanh P. Nguyen wrote: > Does such a thing exist? Yes, sorta. Years ago somebody from the Naval Research Lab compiled it for NeXT but it still used X-Windows. So if you can run X on your system, have black h/w and look at the NeXT & Khoros archive sites you might still find it. Hoping someday it will run native under McNeXT OS. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love, rlove@neosoft.com (local) MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (permanent) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadm Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: 9 Jan 1997 17:22:39 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <5b387f$t4r@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu>, jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > > SUGGESTION: The new Apple OS should come with an entire CDRom > > library of WatchMe cassettes on every conceivable topic. > This is a _stunning_ idea, and could go miles toward making the new > platform, > Could you please try forwarding this to Avie, and perhaps even Steve > himself? I'd like to point out that you can send suggestions to feedback@macos.apple.com. Somebody there _does_ read them, so I would imagine they would get forwarded to the appropriate people if they're any good. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Printer Driver Date: 9 Jan 97 21:10:42 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AEFB0F54-BBB7D@207.147.62.218> References: <32D59554.BC7@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Jan 9, 1997 8:03 PM, Yosi Hoshen <mailto:jhoshen@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote: > I have a NeXT cube SW release 3.0 and a NeXT pronter. The NeXT coputer > is runing SAMBA. Connected to the Cube is a PC. I can only print from > the PC to the NeXT printer one page at the time. If I try to print > entire document e.g. MS Word the printer does not print the document > (unless I print it one page at a time) It gives a stack error. I have > tried several printer drivers but the results are the same. 1) Dump MS Word. That should cure many problems you may not even know you have. > > > Does any one has a suggestion on a possible driver or any other > solution. > > Thanks > -- > Joseph (Yosi) Hoshen jhoshen@postoffice.worldnet.att.net 2) You don't need the "postoffice." in the address.
From: tmtjoy@yc.ne.edu (Todd Mountjoy) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 23:18:06 GMT Organization: Grand Island Online Message-ID: <32d57afb.1060931@news.yorkonline.net> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:06:32 GMT, carloskessel@montreal.com.br (Carlos Kessel) wrote: >Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: >That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a >downloadable PDF file in a site would be: >- Maintaining the original design >- Including all images >- Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. I really like it simply because I can "Print" a web page with the PDF driver at web sites I like and then read it later "OFF LINE" as a portable document with all the images. The version I just purchased also works wonderful with all of my Windows applications and all I do is select the printer as a PDF file and Wham Bam I have a portable document, whether that be a MS-Word document, an Excel workbook or just about anything I could normally print. Acrobat is by far a superior product than the Envoy portable document system I got when I bought Wordperfect Pro Suite. Anyway, I think that more people have the Acrobat Reader installed and configured for their browsers than Envoy. (Something else, Envoy couldn't handle frames with pictures in MS-Word like Acrobat does... What you see is what you get with Acrobat) I got Acrobat 3.0 for $99 from MicroWarehouse by simply photocopying my first disk. I think this offer goes through February, and $99 sure beats $300. Todd Mountjoy Library Directory York College York NE 68467
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Date: 9 Jan 1997 22:38:54 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b3s1u$ptt@gaea.titan.org> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> Kevin Palmer <kpalmer@neosoft.com> wrote: > Jeff Dallacqua wrote: > > > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com > > wrote: > > > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest > > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. > > > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) > > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean > > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? > > -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in > Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I > read the article. I have no idea what platform the artwork was done on. The engine was done on NeXTstep. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok
From: Eirik Mangseth <emangset@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:50:30 +0100 Organization: United Consultants A/S Message-ID: <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: > > In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: > >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > > > >>Robert Iacullo writes: > >>: jmiller wrote: > >>: > > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > > > >> Where can I buy one? > >> Cheers.. > > > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: > >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand > >megahertz or a gigahertz." > >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > > > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > >mainframe/any cpu? > > > > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. > > It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super computers are > not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. They are about > multitentacled, multprocessor monsters with lotsa processors running in > parallel, talking to each other through buses that zip gigabytes per sec. > > Rgds, > > Chris > > Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- > Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, > One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." > President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." > *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions. Not only that, they've got an I/O subsystem that runs in circles around any so-called server based on e.g. x86. Eirik
From: Yosi Hoshen <jhoshen@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Printer Driver Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 19:03:16 -0600 Organization: <Not Availabe> Message-ID: <32D59554.BC7@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXT cube SW release 3.0 and a NeXT pronter. The NeXT coputer is runing SAMBA. Connected to the Cube is a PC. I can only print from the PC to the NeXT printer one page at the time. If I try to print entire document e.g. MS Word the printer does not print the document (unless I print it one page at a time) It gives a stack error. I have tried several printer drivers but the results are the same. Does any one has a suggestion on a possible driver or any other solution. Thanks -- Joseph (Yosi) Hoshen jhoshen@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (630) 369-0637 812 Shiloh Circle, Naperville, IL 60540 Work: (630) 979-4303, (630) 713-5398 (FAX), hoshen@lucent.com
From: jswitzer@aimnet.com (John Switzer) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: 9 Jan 1997 15:53:56 -0800 Organization: Aimnet Corporation Message-ID: <5b40ek$fag@shell1.aimnet.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> In article <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br>, Carlos Kessel <carloskessel@montreal.com.br> wrote: >Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: > >>Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? >... >>Arnold Shore >>Annapolis, MD > >That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a >downloadable PDF file in a site would be: >- Maintaining the original design >- Including all images >- Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. Don't forget that if you're using Framemaker 5, it's a heck of a lot easier to produce PDF than HTML - I just have to click a couple of buttons, print to PS, and distill. HTML is far from being this convenient. Also, if your customers will want to print the docs at any point, the PDF is superior to HTML. At least, that's the reason I'm giving for including on-line help in both PDF and HTML form - HTML is immediate, giving the customer the bare information they need, while PDF takes a little more time to deliver over the web but allows them to easily save a local copy and print it. Also, there are Acrobat's security features, but I'm not using those at the moment. -- John Switzer | "The camel has a mind of its own, a subtle and demented | psychosis as old as time and twice as huge: it is eating | my brain with a tea-spoon." - (favorable) review by jswitzer@aimnet.com | Charlie Stross of "Programming Perl" in The Perl Journal
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 1/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B8000057.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Apple Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock Press Luncheon at Comdex November 19, 1996 Las Vegas Ellen Hancock, Chief Technology Officer Good morning. It's a great pleasure to be at Comdex--and especially to be here for the first time on behalf of Apple. Apple is famed for living in its own reality-distortion field. But coming to the company from a long career at IBM and National Semiconductor, I've had the advantage of an outside perspective. And that's an advantage I don't want to lose--even as I gain the inside perspective. So I'm here--not just to talk to you, but to HEAR from you as well. I want to leave plenty of time for the question-and-answer session. I truly value those exchanges. I learn from them about what's not clear or what's of greatest concern to you, and I want to provide as many answers as I can to your specific questions. The Beginning When I got to Apple, I discovered that there is, as most of you know, some remarkable and ground-breaking technology in Apple's laboratories. We give good demos. But, clearly, we need to become a lot more effective at delivering our technology to the marketplace and gaining its adoption. Not just within Apple's current market strongholds. But broadly, across the industry. I view my job as clearing the path to make that happen. And today I want to tell you how we're going about it. To begin with, I want to talk about the opportunities presented by the new trends in the industry today. I'll fill you in on the changes we're making at Apple to help us participate in these trends. I'm very clear that the company has to ruthlessly and relentlessly drive out the Not-Invented-Here syndrome. We need to begin working much more closely with alliances. And we have to develop the discipline to meet our commitments. A year from now I'd want us to be judged by two things: Were we open to new ideas? And did we deliver to customer expectations? In that regard, I want to update you on our progress toward announcing the roadmap for the MacOS. Third I want to lay out some of the specifics of our strategies to address the Enterprise market, to extend our lead in media production, to keep our hardware at the cutting edge. And, finally, I'll give you our perspective on the trend toward thinner clients, and show you two of our entries in this field. Looking Ahead Our goal is to achieve much broader adoption of our products and technologies. I believe that the current trends in the industry give Apple a better opportunity to accomplish this now than at any time since 1984, when Apple introduced the Macintosh. In fact, when you think about it the parallels between now and '84 are intriguing: The industry is dominated by a single vendor. Customers are locked in and frustrated with infrastructure, costs and lack of flexibility. And new technologies are arriving which hold the promise to fundamentally dismantle this model and change the direction of the industry. Indeed, it feels like we are, again, not so much at the end of an era, but at the start of a new one--and one in which, once again, Apple's innovation will play a key role. In many ways, I think 1997 may be a lot like 1984. You can see these trends all around you at the show this year: Look at the emerging new paradigm of open network computing based on the standards of the Internet and intranets. It's creating an environment that can integrate and assimilate innovations from many sources. Including Apple. Look at the tremendous interest and activity in lower-cost Network Computers- -rebalancing the client/server model to reduce costs of acquisition and support at the desktop. It's opening the way for innovative so-called, "thin" clients. Including those from Apple. Look at the growing dominance of digital media formats. It's enabling the convergence of entertainment, broadcasting, publishing, and computing. And in this trend, Apple is the clear leader. All of these trends create opportunities that play to Apple strengths. The task of our new management team, under Gil Amelio's leadership, is to move the company into position to actualize this potential. We're engaged in a transformation to build a new Apple that's much more in tune with the industry today. And I believe it will lead to a break-out strategy for Apple technology. We're working to take down the barriers between our Apple and the rest of the industry. A break-out strategy means that from here on at Apple, NIH -- "Not-Invented-Here" -- is dead. If we find the best answer outside the company, we'll bring it in. A break-out strategy means interoperability is a prerequisite. Building bridges to other platforms isn't the customer's job; it's ours. A break-out strategy means putting our full weight behind Open Standards and Internet protocols. We're working side-by-side with other industry leaders to cross-pollinate the best of our technologies with the best of theirs. But above all, a break- out strategy for Apple means getting very clear about the unique values that we bring to our customers and to the industry. We need to focus on those values and drive forward with relentless and rapid innovation... with products that arrive on schedule and with no compromise in quality. What I want you to know is that we are moving strongly in that direction now, and with deliberate SPEED. And what I mean by deliberate speed is that all the pieces may not come together as quickly as you want or need them to, but they will come together in a way that gets it RIGHT. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 2/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B8000058.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 What's Up With Mac OS? I know you're most anxious to hear about our strategy for evolving the Mac OS, so let me get right into it. The last couple of months have churned up a lot of rumors and speculation in the media and on the 'Net about where we're headed. And with whom we might be traveling. I can only hope we get this much coverage when we actually make our announcement. And I promise you that will be by early 1997. I won't comment on the accuracy of any of the various rumors that are swirling around, but I would like to make one observation. Most of the stories and postings I've seen focus on just ONE of the options that we're considering. But you should know that not everyone that WE'RE talking to is talking to YOU. Let me be very clear that we have SEVERAL ways to go on this. We're evaluating options to either make or buy components of MacOS 8.0. I have several alternate product plans on my desk that all meet our customers' and developers' key requirements for our next generation operating system. All of the options I'm looking at will get us to a ROBUST, OPERATING SYSTEM with MEMORY PROTECTION and PREEMPTIVE MULTI-TASKING. I can tell you that, in the spirit of the new and open Apple, we ARE looking outside. There are some very attractive technologies out there that we are considering incorporating into MacOS 8. For example, it seems clear to me that any next-generation OS which doesn't integrate Java won't be around for very long. And clearly Java is something we have licensed in from Sun. But please be clear on this: Apple can deliver memory protection and preemptive multitasking in MacOS 8.0 with our own resources and the help of our industry partners. We will tell you at MacWorld San Francisco which path we're taking. And we'll show you--in detail--how this operating system strategy will involve and excite our customers and developer partners. What's Up With Middleware? What I'd like to do next is talk about the layer above the operating system-- what is known as middleware or bridgeware--and our plans here. It gives us a new approach to the enterprise. And it strengthens our lead in media production. We're committed to transforming Apple from a product-focused company to one that is focused on customers and focused on contributing its technology to the mainstream of the industry. So it isn't enough to take an inventory of cool technology from Apple labs, wrap a few slides around it and call that a strategy. In order for our strategy to really work for our customers, I believe it needs to meet three criteria: First, it needs to align with the most important customer and industry trends. There's very little argument that these are the Internet and multimedia. Second, it needs to supply distinctly superior value to the customer, creating new efficiencies, new opportunities, and, true to Apple's heritage, a strong sense of empowerment for the user. Third -- and this is a point that Apple too-often neglected in the past -- it needs to fit into an established, crowded, and growing technology space. Customers are not to throw out everything they've invested in and start over with new technology. Our new technology needs to interoperate with both legacy systems such as Windows, UNIX, and, of course, the current MacOS, as well as with new emerging standards and platforms such as Java. By looking at the whole information technology space and not simply our own proprietary systems, we can create opportunities for Apple technology that reach beyond the MacOS platform. We've done that successfully with QuickTime. And if you look around the show today you'll see we've done it again with FireWire -- the high-speed port which will provide bandwidth for advanced audio and video applications. Sony, Toshiba, Texas Instruments, and Yamaha as well as Apple -- are all showing products that incorporate FireWire. Going forward, you can look for a lot more development from Apple that is, as we like to say, "platform-agnostic." I believe that mapping our strategy to these trends creates an opportunity for Apple that is stronger than anything we've seen since the original Macintosh market breakthrough of desktop publishing. Let me tell you why. Ever since the Mac first appeared, it's been viewed as an alternative, maverick platform. Yes, people generally acknowledged that it was a milestone in human-interface, that it had a superior operating system. But it was a non- standard OS. Long before the first Mac rolled off the assembly line, the majority of the business market had already standardized on IBM compatibles and MS-DOS. The majority of the market concluded that changing platforms would be too disruptive, and they elected, instead, to accept the costs entailed in upgrading to Windows, Windows 95, and now, Windows NT. Where the Mac succeeded, it was by blazing new trails into areas that the early PCs couldn't handle: publishing, graphics, media production, and engineering. Many enterprise systems tolerated Macs in the art department and nowhere else. Why should that change now? Why should our outlook be brighter today? Because something is taking hold in the enterprise that represents a departure from the old model of client/server computing. It's an approach to network computing based on open Internet standards--a new architecture that offers more flexibility, new efficiencies, and new opportunities for creating, communicating, and collaborating. And in this new paradigm, the operating system on the client doesn't matter to the network. It only matters to the user. In this paradigm, the Mac is a full citizen. And Apple can be a major player. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 4/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B800005A.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 HOT SAUCE One of our key technologies in Knowledge Management is known as HotSauce MCF, or MetaContent Format. This technology provides a standard way of describing information about information. MCF provides a way to work with the contents of multiple databases as though they we're all in one unified collection HotSauce, (formerly called Project X) is an early demo in the evolution of the MCF story. It provides a visual representation of data collections--such as sites on the World Wide Web, or the contents of your hard drive--and lets you navigate almost as if you're flying through them. But an even more compelling application of MCF is in allowing people to find information across multiple, and separate databases using a single query. Information Managers who have previewed this technology see it as a useful way to give corporate clients access to their company's information resources. Some of the technologies that Apple is working on with partners could redefine the concept of a "client." We are working today, for example, with a company in Germany that is using OpenDoc to create information access COMPONENTS that you can drop into a document. When you open the document, it automatically accesses a chosen database; the connection is already made. According to a Gartner Group report, knowledge management--especially OPENDOC COMPONENT SOLUTIONS--is one of Apple's major areas of differentiation. Windows can't touch this today. Obviously, MCF's ability to access the Internet or intranet to get unstructured, rich media in real time is also a compelling part of our Internet strategy--an example of our commitment to making rich media ubiquitous and usable on the Internet. Which brings me to our second key contribution to the new network architecture: we're extending our multimedia leadership through the QuickTime Media Layer, or QTML. QUICKTIME MEDIA LAYER In QTML, we're unifying our strongest multimedia technologies into a single architecture that spans from industrial-strength authoring and media production to low-cost delivery and playback vehicles. Apple's aim for QTML, and the rest of our multimedia efforts, is to expand both the creative range and the market reach of our customers in the media community. These include such fields as media-authoring, film, video, and music production, Internet-publishing and digital-playback. QTML is a software layer that comprises QuickTime, QuickTime VR, QuickDraw 3D, QuickTime Conferencing, sound, and the interactive authoring tools that enhance those products, such as Game Sprockets, HyperCard, Apple Media Tool, and AppleScript. It's implemented across MacOS, Windows, and UNIX. This week, for example, we're announcing QuickTime 2.5-Win for Windows. QTML is designed as an extensible media container architecture. Which means that it can embrace emerging standards for digital media such as MPEG II, HDTV, and Dolby Digital Surround. Our efforts with QTML are focused on solving two major problems our customers have raised over and over again: Problem one is the desire to AUTHOR ONCE, and play back EVERYWHERE: Developers in enterprises, the interactive marketplace and the digital video and audio market want to develop once and play back in multi-platform environments--Macintosh, Windows, Windows NT and even UNIX. Problem two is the need to REPURPOSE DIGITAL CONTENT: Developers also want to develop once for distribution over the Worldwide Web, on CD-ROM, and in professional digital video production environments. And they want to do that without having to cripple content features, or dilute the video. Solving problems like these, in a cross-platform architecture, can be a huge win for Apple and secure our place as the dominant vendor in this arena. Our goal with QTML is to ensure its adoption beyond the Mac platform. We're investing in making QTML both OS-agnostic and platform-agnostic. It's a major wedge for us in helping us break out of the Mac-only box. And it's working. One day last summer some 11,700 Windows users downloaded 32-bit QuickTime software for Windows. This is the kind of statistic that has that strange quality of so much that we do these days.... that is, of being simultaneously encouraging and worrisome. We know that we must be cross-platform to survive... but you may be wondering just what the PROFIT model is in all of this. On one level, as the originator of technology standards, we have the absolute advantage in terms of optimizing our platform for the multimedia activities they enable. On another we should be able to increase the revenue streams for Apple. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 3/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B8000059.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Many of you will remember a newspaper cartoon in the early days of Internet ramp-up. Two dogs were sitting at a personal computer typing--and one dog turns to the other and says, smiling: "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog". It's the same on the Macintosh. On the Internet nobody knows you're a Mac. This has been the pattern of the Internet since its inception. And now, with the prominence of the World Wide Web this paradigm for an open network architecture is visible everywhere. The Web has shown us all how powerful a truly agnostic network can be. The Web mixes servers running UNIX, the MacOS, and Windows NT. And it mixes clients on Mac, Windows, Newton, and now, even television sets and game consoles. (By the way, 64% of the pages on the Web are created on Macintosh. And Macs clients are doing more than 20% of the browsing--that's over twice what you might predict from our installed base.) The choice for corporate networks is between a proprietary client/server architecture and the new intranet-based architecture. The proprietary system is complex to develop for, and expensive to deploy. Customers are locked in. And the benefits remain elusive. The open system offers rapid development, it's less costly to deploy, and innovation is supported by a broad alliance of industry leaders. In the new environment, Apple clients have full citizenship. In the new environment, Apple middleware can benefit customers of all platforms and operating systems. In the new environment, Apple can forge a winning technology strategy. Let's take a look at what we're doing to build that strategy. APPLE ALLIANCES In ending Apple's go-it-alone, not-invented-here approach to innovation, we've stepped up our work with other industry leaders. Case in point: our alliance with Sun Microsystems. Sun's Java language is one of the building blocks of the new network architecture. And we're committed to integrating Java into the Mac environment. Earlier this month we shipped our first Beta Version of the Mac OS Runtime for Java. The Apple/Sun announcement is an enterprise-focused agreement on how two major players will work together to solve our customers' real-world problems. Multimedia technology is one component of the alliance. In this area SUN wins, because customers can take advantage of QuickTime capabilities in Java applets and applications, as JavaSoft enhances the JavaMedia APIs and libraries to fully support QuickTime. APPLE wins, because we can employ Java in an equally compelling fashion, and meanwhile, QuickTime's position in the industry is expanded and strengthened. We're also working with Sun on a library of multimedia routines known as MediaLib. It's an exciting project that I expect will keep Apple in the forefront of multimedia authoring. I'll tell you more about it when I discuss our strategy for interactive media. The Sun alliance also has major implications in the area of Internet/intranet application development. Our two companies are working to ensure interoperability between Java Beans and OpenDoc. This cooperation is expected to result in a full suite of component development tools. Again, both companies win, and the COMPONENT SOFTWARE proposition is strengthened. OpenDoc offers Java developers additional functionality such as document- persistent storage, uniform data transfer, and embedding and layout capabilities to scale Java Beans into component-based solutions. And Java provides OpenDoc developers with platform independence, offering high portability of components. The Sun alliance has another important facet on the HARDWARE side. Under the agreement, Apple customers will be able to tap into powerful Solaris-based enterprise environments from Macintosh clients. Sun enterprise customers will be able to interact with Macintosh clients across Solaris server-based intranets. And Sun is just one of the technology leaders we're working with. We're also working with Netscape to enhance the quality of multimedia, video-based images, and digital music in Netscape Navigator. And to bring Navigator into Apple's Cyberdog Internet client. --With Silicon Graphics to accelerate the development of "digital studios" for feature film, animation, and broadcast video. --With Netscape and Silicon Graphics together to develop a new file format based on Apple's 3D metafile format. --And with, IBM, Netscape, Oracle Corp., and Sun to announce guidelines for making low-cost, easy-to-use network computing devices. Together with our partners, it's our goal to provide rapid innovation and clear customer value. And perhaps more important, and in the spirit of the next 1984, Apple plans to regain its place of relevance and reliability in the marketplace. APPLE TECHNOLOGIES By looking beyond the MacOS platform to the industry at large, we're finding major opportunities where Apple technology can play. I'll give you two examples. The first is an area we call Knowledge Management. From an information management perspective, it means harvesting greater value from your investments in data. From a user perspective, it means finding what you want to know without knowing where the information is hidden. Knowledge Management is the art of turning vast stores of data into useful, relevant information. It has tremendous potential in the enterprise. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 5/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B800005B.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 So let me tell you some of the things we're doing to ensure a performance edge for Apple in multimedia. First, we're working with Phillips Semiconductor to accelerate QuickTime functions for the Trimedia TM-1 media processor. The PowerPC combined with TriMedia will provide the the combination of accelerated-performance and high- quality that Apple customers require. Second, as I mentioned in conjunction with our alliance with Sun Microsystems, we're working on a library of common low-level multimedia functions called MediaLib. Writing to MediaLib will not only make it easier for developers to create multimedia applications, it will also make it easier for those applications to be created for a variety of microprocessors and coprocessors. MediaLib can make it easier to port applications across platforms. Our goal is to ensure that developers have access to the Mac Market with the smallest possible incremental development costs. Our work in making our QTML standards work across platforms is already bringing new players to the Macintosh platform. Vertigo is a classic example. As you know, Vertigo is a huge player in the 3D hardware arena that is now available on Macintosh, as a result of cross-platform QuickDraw 3D 1.5. In this case the entire debate about developing for multiple platforms was preempted. While each of the initiatives I've just described will have its own revenue model, they also contribute indirectly to our revenues, by helping to make our operating system and hardware lines more appealing and more acceptable. With Apple defining the most comprehensive architecture for digital media, customers will certainly want to consider the hardware systems we offer for their own production and development. OPEN NETWORKS With Apple working actively alongside other key players in the industry, customers will come to see us an equal citizen of open networks. The open, interoperable network environment has clear implications for our hardware designs and our OS. We have to make them better citizens in mixed environments. I am committed, for example, to making the Mac OS more INTEROPERABLE in heterogeneous environments that include Windows NT. What exactly do I mean by interoperable? I mean delivering the performance enhancements that Apple customers in NT environments are asking for. Like better file and print capabilities. Domain name services. PPTP, and communications over IP. AND, for some of our education and publishing customers especially, it means an NT-capable server from Apple. PC COMPATIBILITY We're advancing the PC Compatibility Card, for users who want Windows support. This solution combines a Pentium-based computer in the same box as the PowerPC-based MacOS computer. It provides full cut-and-paste interoperability between the two environments. We're also building stronger interoperability features into the Operating System. And next year, when Apple and other vendors introduce models based on the PowerPC Common Hardware Reference Platform--popularly known as CHRP--the interoperability story gets even better. For example, customers can choose to run NT if they want to, on products like Viper, Motorola's CHRP system due out in April. Our attention to interoperability across the board will make MacOS systems more appealing and acceptable in corporate environments. But it's clear that not every worker in an organization needs the full capabilities of a production workstation. In many cases, companies have been over-investing in client-side hardware. Which leads to the third important trend that is so much in evidence here at Comdex. And that's why there has been so much attention in the last few weeks to a strategy that rebalances the role of the client and server. NETWORK COMPUTING More than a year ago, Larry Ellison of Oracle, created a stir when he proposed the NC, or Network Computer. Over the past three weeks we've seen announcements from Microprocessor companies, software companies, and hardware manufacturers all jumping into the ring with some variation of the theme. Apple, as I've mentioned joined with IBM, Netscape, Oracle Corp., and Sun in proposing the standards for the Network Computer. We firmly believe its an idea whose time is coming. But we also believe that the principle of rebalancing the client/server model goes beyond the particulars of the NC. Apple announced two products last month that extend the principle of thinner clients into a new realm. They're both designed as communication devices. They're both designed to work with networks or desktop computers (either Windows or Mac). And they're both designed to be lower-cost alternatives to a full-scale desktop or laptop computer. But unlike the NC, these products are not dependent on the network for functionality. They're portable devices that provide basic productivity applications even in stand-alone mode. They both represent principles that I believe represent the best of the new Apple. Customer focus. Superior user value. And an artful approach to product design that creates products that delight our users. But beyond those values they also demonstrate careful attention to interoperability with legacy systems. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: mckinnon@tezcat.com (Chuck McKinnon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadm Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 23:44:25 -0600 Organization: Satan's Servers of Process Message-ID: <mckinnon-0901972344260001@mckinnon.tezcat.com> References: <5b387f$t4r@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> In article <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, nurban@vt.edu wrote: >In article <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu>, jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > >> jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > >> > SUGGESTION: The new Apple OS should come with an entire CDRom >> > library of WatchMe cassettes on every conceivable topic. > >> This is a _stunning_ idea, and could go miles toward making the new >> platform, > >> Could you please try forwarding this to Avie, and perhaps even Steve >> himself? > >I'd like to point out that you can send suggestions to >feedback@macos.apple.com. Somebody there _does_ read them, so I would leadership@apple.com also lets you whisper in Gil's ear. -- -- Chuck McKinnon + mckinnon@tezcat.com --------------------------------------------------- Chicago Municipal Code Section 4-24-140: "No domestic animals, except _cats_, shall be permitted in a bakery or place where flour or meal is stored in connection therewith, and suitable provisions shall be made to prevent nuisances from the presence of cats."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701092058.MAA22190@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 15:58:27 -0500 Subject: mimencode on NeXTStep? Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Source code is available here: ftp://thumper.bellcore.com/pub/nsb/mm2.7.tar.Z but building fails on my NeXT. I was wondering if anyone else had munged it. If so, please let me know TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
From: vision@halcyon.com (Andy Kriger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Renderman and Openstep 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:52:55 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Message-ID: <5b4ld1$2qo@news1.halcyon.com> is Renderman included in Openstep (specifically the WinNT verion)?
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Khoros for NextStep? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:28:40 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580001001970228400001@news.tiac.net> References: <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at>, knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at wrote: > Does such a thing exist? A couple of years ago I got it running on 3.3 for 68K, but it wasn't very stable. It will take you a while, but you'll learn something about building multi-OS/platform packages. (Not sure whether it's a good or bad learning experience, but I sure developed respect for folks who can pull it off.) You need an X Windows package - Mouse-X on black is free, don't know of a free NS Intel version. Mouse-X seemed to run about as fast as the commercial stuff. Then you have to get a Fortran compiler - or use f2c, which worked for me, once I understood how to invoke the dual libraries in cc. There is at least one missing function in f2c, which you must replace. You also have to track down the Fortran files, compile them, and remove references to them from the makefiles. Finally, you edit various configuration files, wondering about what those flags do (and there are errors in the embedded advice re NeXTStep, which you want to avoid), and you type "make". Hours later, you check the log and fix the bugs, trash the .o files, and type "make" again. Two or three days later, you cry "eureka", launch the app, and view some neat stuff. If you can figure out the file suffixes Khoros relies on (never could find a file that defined them). The real problem is that a make begins by building the dependency portion of the makefile, which takes forever and is quite useless since the NeXT architecture hack breaks the logic. And that's why you have to trash each failed build. The system, as a whole, is far to complex to build by hand. You'll always be missing some necessary file. It was grim enough, and unrewarding enough, that I never even bothered to download release 2, though release 1 was fun to play with (till it inevitably crashed). I posted a recipe to the Khoros Group, but I dumped it later. I learned enough to justify the time spent (since someone else paid for it), but I'd buy a commercial alternative if I really needed it. Hey! Maybe someone else has ported it? Ask in comp.soft-sys.khoros and look on their FTP site (if one still exists). If you find one, and it works, let me know! Barney
From: batmon@abico.com.tw (Mon-Sen Yang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to do the bakup with EXABYTE Model 8500 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:25:44 GMT Organization: DCI HiNet Message-ID: <32d60aeb.25351603@netnews.hinet.net> Hi all, We have just find a EXABYTE Model 8500 SCSI Backup device in our office, and would like to use it to backup NeXT Server. I buy a new 2GB 8mm DAT tape which will insert to the EXABYTE backup system, and would like to use it for backup. Can anybody tell me how to write out the "dump" command on the NeXT to do the full backup? In addition, if I would like to continue use the same tape (don't rewind after the full backup) and make another backup just backup users' information, users home directories' data, and directories' sturcture, then how should I write the "dump" command? And how to write the command to restore the data? If there is any good very easily understand refence about how to do the backup, please let me know too. Thank you. Best Regards, ·¨©s¾Ë¡]batmon¡^ batmon@abico.com.tw Ability Enterprise Co., Ltd. Part of ABiCO Group
From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Renderman and Openstep 4.0 Date: 10 Jan 1997 08:50:29 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5b4vsl$5lc$3@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <5b4ld1$2qo@news1.halcyon.com> vision@halcyon.com (Andy Kriger) wrote: > is Renderman included in Openstep (specifically the WinNT verion)? No. The RenderMan API is not part of the OpenStep specification. However, OpenStep _for Mach_ still contains prman, shader compiler and QuickRenderMan, so you can process RIB files and run old 3.x applications which make use of RenderMan. There will be replacements for RenderMan that also should work with OpenStep on NT. Look at http://www.gnustep.org/G3DKit/G3DKit.html for more information. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: jbf@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MouseX ofter freezes -- help Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:38:05 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf-ya023580001001970238050001@news.tiac.net> References: <32d537d5.0@news.hampshire.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32d537d5.0@news.hampshire.edu>, jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) wrote: > Does anybody know of either a solution, or an email address to send bugs > or questions? Thanks! I can't say I ever had this problem with my Khoros port (see other post in this group), but that was long ago and memory fails. The problem is that Mouse-X is now several years old and the author has probably moved on to other things. I think it is a waste of time to fuss over a port like this on a $300-600 machine, when there are $300 machines (any old Quadra or 486) which can run a cheap commercial port. Barney
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701092218.OAA02392@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 17:18:27 -0500 Subject: Mail.app -- One reason NeXTStep is such a great OS Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Here's one example of why I love NeXTStep. Yeah I know this should be in the advocasy group, but I don't care to start a whole flame war, just a comment. I use a /bin/sh script to run 'sendmail' on another machine rather than my own (don't ask me why.... or do, but do it in email). I happened to see (in a process listing '/bin/ps') that one of the processes seem to be stuck. I figured out what message it was, and was getting ready to resend it. Then I thought to myself "I should kill that old process" so I went in and ran "kill -9" to the PID. I expected that the process would just die off. BUT NO! Mail.app brought *back* the Compose window with the entire message intact and gave me a panel telling me that it couldn't be delivered. Isn't that cool? Anyway, I thought it was a great example of NeXTStep's wonderfulness TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701091833.KAA03984@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 9f1e0d51b1ac207577e0af085d5197cc - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 13:33:01 -0500 Subject: Re: How can I change the icon and default link of a document. Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 9f1e0d51b1ac207577e0af085d5197cc - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com (Edward Xu) Original Date: 9 Jan 1997 06:24:41 GMT Message-ID: 9f1e0d51b1ac207577e0af085d5197cc - > I just installed Movie3.0. This software changed the icons of all > my .txt and .gif files and link these files to it. Every time I > double click on gif file, Movie3.0 was triggered, although > ImageViewer should be triggered. Anyone knows how can I change the > icons back (Of cause, restore the link of.txt file with Edit and > .gif with ImageViewer). Thanks. Select a .txt file and do "command-3" from the WM. That should offer to change it to Edit.app. The author(s) of Movie3.0 should really have known better TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701100110.RAA25126@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 20:09:53 -0500 Subject: Does GateKeeper work with PPP 2.3 Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary I'm thinking of trying the DOD part of GateKeeper. 1) how hard is it to setup? 2) does it work with PPP 2.3? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701100300.TAA24917@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 22:00:21 -0500 Subject: Help: anyone who is using Dial On Demand with GateKeeper Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary I'm trying to get DOD working, but I've had no luck. Anyone feel like giving advice? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Apple + NeXT = Rhapsody (in black? ;-)
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 00:39:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4urd$hiv@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> <5b2mi2$7qh@white.koehntopp.de> <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> In article <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr>, serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) wrote: >Kristian Köhntopp <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> écrivait : > >> "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in >> 1 cycle?" >> >> It can't. The question is: Should it? > >Multiplying 8 values at a time is 8 times faster only if you get these 8 >values from the memory at the same time ! Of course, it can't. The >memory is not 8 times faster :-) Its not 8 time faster, but 8 load + 8 mul + cliping + 8 store is longer then a load + cliped mul + store . > >IMHO, even without MMX like functions, today's processors are very >memory bound. This greatly reduces the interest of these SIMD >instructions. > Yes, thats why you want to run at bandwidth speed. And for complex operation where 8 cliped mul are necesary per memory access having it done in parallel is not waisted power. Stephan
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 1997 08:06:35 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4tab$189@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> Cc: emangset@online.no In <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> Eirik Mangseth wrote: > crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: [...] > > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > > >mainframe/any cpu? > > > > > > > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. [...] DEC has been shipping 500 MHz Alpha CPUs for some time now. Check out the CPU table at: http://infopad.eecs.berkeley.edu/CIC/summary/local/ Volker
From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 00:59:14 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b4vvo$hiv@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr> In7 article <1997010822404556583@yellow-orl-39.wanadoo.fr>, serge.rossi@wanadoo.fr (Serge Rossi) wrote: >Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> écrivait : > >> Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible >> for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think >> any CPU untill very recently offer this. can a PPC multiply 8 value and clip >> each individual result in 1 cycle? > >Can a Pentium MMX access 8 values in memory in 1 cycle ? No ! > >And there is few common programs who need this kind of integer work. > The all idea behind the mmx instruction is to process by group. This happen often with gfx data, audio stream, and alot of other form of 1d/2d array >MMX will be very interesting for games ! > And alot more... I guess some poeple have more 'imagination' then other. Stephan
From: dozer@netwizards.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: would you be my friend? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:03:32 Message-ID: <5b50ki$kmr@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Hello, I'm 14 years old and I think I may be a gay. I'm looking for some support and friendship with a older male age 18-40. Please email if you can help.
From: root (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT help needed Date: 10 Jan 1997 04:09:11 GMT Organization: adnc.com Message-ID: <5b4fd7$oq5@taurus.adnc.com> References: <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> Cc: spdwell@adnc.com In <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> spdwell@adnc.com wrote: > I have a NeXT Cube with 3.2 in it. I need help telling this > machine that in serial port A is a modem. How do I set up PPP? I'm > using a 14.4 Practical Peripherals modem and a properly modified cable. > Please help, send any information to > ..............cward@adnc.com.............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com................... > I am on the internet with a Next! How do I setup outgoing mail? I can do everything but send mail out...
From: froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:24:48 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> NNTP-Posting-User: b7fe697fc47f6ef7093c87732e2a5b740 jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >That article was promising and encouraging... >If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to >start taking it seriously again ;) There seems to be a uniform optimism about this project. I hate to make anyone disappointed, but I have a hunch they are going to f... mess it all up. We do not know that what is going to be produced is a Next that can, eventually, run old Mac binaries, do we? By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price effects on the NextStep os right now, no?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: dozer@netwizards.net Subject: cmsg cancel <5b50ki$kmr@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Control: cancel <5b50ki$kmr@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5b50ki$kmr@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Followup-to: junk References: <5b50ki$kmr@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:03:32 Spam-cancel: "would you be my friend?"
From: mandtbac@news.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Date: 10 Jan 1997 11:23:59 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <5b58sf$ss0@josie.abo.fi> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <5asvpa$mjo@white.koehntopp.de> <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Stephan Schaem, in <5b0vhc$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>: [...] > Not broken... MMX is for 'integer' work, and the x86 is not that horrible > for integer work... what MMX do is work with data array, and I dont think > any CPU untill very recently offer this. some did. vector processing is not a new idea, just fairly special- purpose and therefore limited market; but there have been entire coprocessors designed to do vector mathemathics, since a long time. the VAXen have such designs, just for one. what i'd like to see is MMX done right: off the main CPU and onto a coprocessor, call it a 587 or 687 if you will, then expanded to a full range of decent vector maths operations, that could run parallel to the FPU on the main wafer. *that* might be interesting. [...] >Everyone knows Mac/Apple are terrible at making computer... "everyone"? not me. all i really know about Apple hardware, is that they're awfully good at keeping it proprietary, closed and secret. whether it's actually *good*, i dunno. seems to work decently, though. they did PnP right, from the start. not that that's a big deal, they're hardly the only ones who managed that. -- "...it's all wrong but it's alright..." -- Clapton
From: jzinn@michele.math.tamu.edu (Joel Zinn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mathematica 2.0 on 4.0 Date: 10 Jan 1997 13:44:16 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Message-ID: <5b5h3g$md7@news.tamu.edu> Has anyone been able to use Mathematica 2.0 on OpenStep 4.0? Any help would be appreciated. Joel
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: PageChoice Date: 10 Jan 1997 14:12:45 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b5iot$bft@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In another thread, long ago, I mentioned the existence of an application called "PageChoice" which, given a PostScript file, will allow you to print out left or right pages, duplex etc. It's old (1992), so currently only runs on NeXT hardware, however given a bit of encouragement, the author sounds willing to update it (it needs a bit of polishing) and rerelease it (*)). The cost on this side of the pond will be around 20 pounds ($US30)... assuming a small market! :-) Could anyone who would be interested in this please let me know, and I'll let him know the market opinion. Best wishes, mmalc. (*) A limited time demo should be available soon -- more details later. --
From: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to get libInterceptor_s.A.shlib? Date: 10 Jan 1997 15:58:08 GMT Organization: JLC-net, Milford NH Message-ID: <5b5oug$5ct@mozart.jlc.net> Hi All, I'm trying to get DoomII to run on my TurboColor station running User NS 3.2. Problem is, according to the instructions at OMINGROUP.com: >ƒ You need to have a /usr/shlib/libInterceptor_s.A.shlib with a >version number of 20. How do I get this, as I dont have it on my machine? Is it possible without buying the Dev. tools as well? Any inpput would sure be appreciated. PS. Yeah, I know Doom is strange game for someone in my line of work to like, but hey, it keeps my parishoners safe. -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT help needed Date: 10 Jan 1997 11:30:38 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5b598u$rqi@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> <5b4fd7$oq5@taurus.adnc.com> Cc: root In <5b4fd7$oq5@taurus.adnc.com> Operator wrote: > In <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> spdwell@adnc.com wrote: > > I have a NeXT Cube with 3.2 in it. I need help telling this > > machine that in serial port A is a modem. How do I set up PPP? I'm > > using a 14.4 Practical Peripherals modem and a properly modified cable. > > Please help, send any information to ..............cward@adnc.com.............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com................... > > > I am on the internet with a Next! > How do I setup outgoing mail? > I can do everything but send mail out... > NEXTSTEP 3.x installs for some reason with sendmail in a default client mode. It reads: # ls -l /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 20 Oct 17 1995 /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf -> sendmail.subsidiary.cf@ If you have a stand-alone machine, change it this way: # cd /etc/sendmail # rm sendmail.cf # ln -s sendmail.mailhost.cf sendmail.cf -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!) Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 10 Jan 1997 15:46:31 GMT Organization: Netsync Internet Services Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b5o8n$8q9@mica.netsync.net> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth> <59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org> <32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net> <32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com> <5b3s1u$ptt@gaea.titan.org> andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: : Kevin Palmer <kpalmer@neosoft.com> wrote: : > Jeff Dallacqua wrote: : > > : > > On 28 Dec 1996 06:53:37 GMT, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com : > > wrote: : > > : > > >For those who don't know, Trilobyte used NeXTstep to create 7th Guest : > > >and 11th Hour. Id used NeXTstep to create Doom and Quake. : > > : > > Weren't the video sequences for 7th Guest(and maybe 11th Hour) : > > done with 3DStudio(although I guess this doesn't necessarily mean : > > they didn't use NeXTstep for any of it)? : > : > -- I am almost positive that the images on 7th guest were done in : > Alias|Wavefront Power Animator on the SGI. It was a while back when I : > read the article. : : I have no idea what platform the artwork was done on. : The engine was done on NeXTstep. People are gonna hate me for this one, But the artwork was done on Amigas, using Imagine3d.. at least for 7th guest they were, for 11th hour i believe 3d studio on PC's was used. -- __________________________________________________________ _____ __ __ _____ __ __ ___ ___ || ||_ | ||\ | |_ | | || | | | | | ||__||__| |__||__|__| | || \| |__|__|__||__| | | |__ |__||__||__| ========================================================== - - Homepage: http://www.netsync.net/users/jecobb - - - - - jecobb@acsu.buffalo.edu & jecobb@netsync.net - - - __________________________________________________________
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <587851299369@digifix.com> Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:42:13 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <475852914532@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Archives are available by ftp at ftp://ftp.stepwise.com/pub/Next_Announce_Archives Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Embedding URL's in original source documents Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:03:22 -0700 Organization: Synergetics Message-ID: <32D6765A.1F75@tinaja.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <5b40ek$fag@shell1.aimnet.com> <01bbff15$28279760$979479ce@farley.fortesystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done a tutorial and source code on how to pre-embed Acrobat URL links into your original source textfiles. These files can be found on the PostScript library shelf of www.tinaja.com
From: "Mike Farley" <farleyma@fortesystems.com> Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <5b40ek$fag@shell1.aimnet.com> Organization: Forte Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <01bbff15$28279760$979479ce@farley.fortesystems.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:49:15 -0800 FYI, HTML was not meant to provide WYSIWYG documents. It was meant to be a fast representation of information. If you want WYSIWYG format your best bet is to use a document management software. Just a thought. -- Thanks, Mike Farley Systems Engineer Forte Systems, Inc. E-Mail: farleyma@fortesystems.com John Switzer <jswitzer@aimnet.com> wrote in article <5b40ek$fag@shell1.aimnet.com>... > In article <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br>, > Carlos Kessel <carloskessel@montreal.com.br> wrote: > >Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: > > > >>Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? > >... > >>Arnold Shore > >>Annapolis, MD > > > >That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a > >downloadable PDF file in a site would be: > >- Maintaining the original design > >- Including all images > >- Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. > > Don't forget that if you're using Framemaker 5, it's a heck of a lot > easier to produce PDF than HTML - I just have to click a couple of buttons, > print to PS, and distill. HTML is far from being this convenient. > > Also, if your customers will want to print the docs at any point, the PDF > is superior to HTML. At least, that's the reason I'm giving for including > on-line help in both PDF and HTML form - HTML is immediate, giving the > customer the bare information they need, while PDF takes a little more time > to deliver over the web but allows them to easily save a local copy and print > it. > > Also, there are Acrobat's security features, but I'm not using those at the > moment. > -- > John Switzer | "The camel has a mind of its own, a subtle and demented > | psychosis as old as time and twice as huge: it is eating > | my brain with a tea-spoon." - (favorable) review by > jswitzer@aimnet.com | Charlie Stross of "Programming Perl" in The Perl Journal > >
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT help needed Date: 10 Jan 1997 17:09:45 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5b5t4p$fv9@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> <5b4fd7$oq5@taurus.adnc.com> <5b598u$rqi@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) wrote: > > NEXTSTEP 3.x installs for some reason with sendmail in a default client mode. It > reads: > # ls -l /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 20 Oct 17 1995 /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf -> > sendmail.subsidiary.cf@ > > If you have a stand-alone machine, change it this way: > # cd /etc/sendmail > # rm sendmail.cf > # ln -s sendmail.mailhost.cf sendmail.cf While this may work, the locations/sendmail sendmail.cf value is what determines which sendmail configuration file is used. If the value of sendmail.cf is /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf, then the above will work. But if the value is actually one of the real sendmail configuration files (/etc/sendmail.cf is a link as pointed out), then changing the sendmail.cf link will have no effect. I don't know what the value of sendmail.cf is for a standalone system. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 97 07:22:45 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more complex > >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the > >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched > >to seperate execution units. Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> > Risc need bigger cache, faster instruction fecth to execute the same > logic. Code creep on RISC seems to be about 10-20% in most cases... however CISC machines (like the P6) also demand aligned instructions and data to get their best performance - which translates to code (data) creep. I am not sure which is worse at this point. Instructions do not need to be faster - that is a seperate issue all together. In many cases the opposite is proving to be true - with RISC machines (604e) beating the CISC-RISC hybrids (like PPro) eventhough the later has a larger and faster cache and a lot more circuitry. So you seem to be wrong in practice. > >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added > >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There > >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) > > And need more bandwidth and faster/bigger cache. BOTH need that - and PPro needs much more and faster than PPC to get the same results - so it seems you have this backwards. > Having fixed size > instruction is great, but this do not stop you from having more complex > instruction doing more per instruction. Sure you could do more per instruction on CISC - but each instruction was slower and could stall the pipe - resulting in MUCH slowing performance than just doing it the RISC way. So you save 10% in memory - and lose 40% in die size to support CISC, and lose 40% in performance - not a good tradeoff if you ask me. > >Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What > >does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a > >simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then executed. > > Thats the amazing part too me... that this actually work :) > It execute 3 variable size instruction per cycle.... Its called superscalar - and it is not amazing it works - it is amazing how much more die size (gates) it takes up to do the same amount of work. > >How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed > >the RISC code directly? > > Humm, the code size would probably double, so you need to spend > $ on bigger cache and faster memory. You have this backwards - this is why RISC's have been proven cheaper to design and implement, and outperform CISC overall, and much more dramatic results when you look at performance/gate or performance/watt, etc.... > >Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC > >chip. > >This don't make CISC bad, just not better. > > My view is, cisc better exploit the resource at hand... risc are alot > faster/cheaper to design and improve giving them the edge. > Even so, like some mentioned, at one time, the Pentiumpro was > THE fastest CPU on earth for integer work :) Sure... CISC chips CAN be faster - but they can't keep up, and cost more to design, etc.... as for better resources at hand the CISC have yet to prove that - to get the performance on CISC (like PPro) you have to have alignment issues, etc. that make it look more like a RISC than a CISC anyways - and you get code creep the same as RISC. So wheres the advantage? > My only concern with risc chip is their efficientcy. Not data wise tho. RISC's are more efficient in cost, design, power, gates, performance, heat.... they are a toss up on data size and code size - (theoretically being larger - but functionally not being significantly different). > >In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in > >a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is > >written against a particular CPU will be shortlived > > Yes, but it will live long enought to make sense to do it. (I mean > hand written specific CPU code) Now days people are learning - NO! (Or only very selectively. First you write in standard language and get it working. Then you profile and tune certain areas. Giving you portability FIRST - then performance enhancements second). > >Even a CISC is no promise of long life. Code written against > >8086 is _NOT_ very performal on a Pentium today. Sure it runs, but > >very poorly compared to code written with that CPU in mind. > > Code written for the P5 might run VERY porrly on a P6 etc... Yes. > >Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. > > My advice... Write in the language that fit the best, and hand optimize > assembly version of the critical part (If any). Most compiler today can > produce code as much as 4 time slower as human rewritten code. Humans can tune code... but the way most people are doing it is writing high-level and getting it working (and portable) FIRST. Then profiling and tuning as necessary... it turns out that in the past humans weren't always that good at guessing which parts of the code were the bottlenecks and so wasted time optimizing the wrong areas - and not creating portability first. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. 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From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 97 07:26:08 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEFB9F94-3997A@207.158.13.84> References: <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > Kristian K=F6hntopp <KRIS@KOEHNTOPP.DE> =E9crivait=A0: > > > "Can a PPC multiply 8 values and clip each individual result in > > 1 cycle?" > > > > It can't. The question is: Should it? > > Multiplying 8 values at a time is 8 times faster only if you get these 8 > values from the memory at the same time ! Of course, it can't. The > memory is not 8 times faster :-) Of course thats the point - there is more room on RISC for Cache, and its easier to add logic to avoid cache stalls and for prefetch... meaning that you are more likely to get a cache hit vs a stall which can be MORE than 8 times faster. > IMHO, even without MMX like functions, today's processors are very > memory bound. This greatly reduces the interest of these SIMD > instructions. If they were as memory bound as you imply then MP would die and be futile. We are learning the opposite... 2 and 4 processors work fine sharing the same memory and L2 - which would not be possible if 1 processor was completely memory bound as you implied. -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91996 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:01:13 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32D691F9.3D2E04C0@screaming.org> References: <19970109213036289271@yellow-orl-4.wanadoo.fr> <AEFB9F94-3997A@207.158.13.84> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Every wrote: > Of course thats the point - there is more room on RISC for Cache, and > its easier to add logic to avoid cache stalls and for prefetch... > meaning that you are more likely to get a cache hit vs a stall which > can be MORE than 8 times faster. May I ask why this is important to newsgroups for systems that run on multiple processors? I admit that it's a selling-point for systems that are dependent on PPC, but I don't think those vendors relish their platform dependencies. Apple's acquisition of OpenStep, to me, indicates that they no longer want their API to be tied to an architecture -- so that Apple is no longer tied to the success or failure of a particular architecture. Doesn't "The Macintosh Way" have something to do with not having to be concerned with the details of cache stalls? -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: alanf@izzy.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 10 Jan 1997 18:59:27 GMT Organization: "Comshare, Inc." Message-ID: <5b63if$n6g$1@inet-prime.comshare.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> Cc: netuser@earthlink.net In <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> Internet User wrote: > Apple worshippers will probably point to NeXT IB (Interface Builder) and lavish > praise upon it and assert how there's nothing like it in the known universe. So > riddle me this: if IB is as great as Steve Jobs claims, and makes programmers 10 to > 50 times more productive, then where are the flood of NeXTstep applications? Taking > Jobs words at face value, one should expect 10 to 50 times the software that > NeXTstep's tiny marketshare can otherwise claim. That ain't the case, guys. At this point, I seem to be able to find more software for my NeXTStep 3.2/3.3 environment than my friend can for his NT 3.5 environment. We received an HP (intel) server recently... the instructions said if you were going to try to load NT 3.5, send it back... use 4.x only. What's the deal with that? On top of it, most of the NeXTStep software I use is free or very inexpensive... and crafted by single developers, not software houses. VB "objects" are not in the same class of objects you'd drag-n-drop off an IB palette. Controls != Objects. Regards, Alan Frabutt (alanf@izzy.net) #include <std.disclaimer>
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadm Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: 10 Jan 1997 19:59:24 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5b672s$2o6@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5b387f$t4r@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> > jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > > SUGGESTION: The new Apple OS should come with an entire CDRom > library of WatchMe cassettes on every conceivable topic. > Excellent -- what might be neat would be, if the new UI is in some ways different to the current one, having a session in which the current MacOS is running in an emulation window, and users are shown "Whereas before you did this... you now do this..." Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Mark.A.Tarbell@jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Tarbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Chinese system. Date: 10 Jan 1997 20:48:02 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA, USA Message-ID: <5b69u2$m4n@starlight.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com> Cc: edward_xu@vos.stratus.com In <5ai02n$l9i@transfer.stratus.com> Edward Xu wrote, in part: > I want to access Chinese web page. Does anyone know where to get Chinese > system on NeXT. Do we have Chinese system on NeXT? Any information. Hi Edward, To access Chinese web pages you'll need at least the Kaisu font: ftp:/next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/fonts/k/KaiSu.pkg_0_7.tar.gz The Kaisu font, along with the web browser OmniWeb.app or Netsurfer.app: ftp:/next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/latest_versions/OnniWeb.tar.gz ftp:/next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/demos/news/NewsFlash.2.275.NIHS.b.tar.gz ..will allow you to read Big5-encoded web pages. I don't know of a way to read HZ-encoded posts. In addition, there are numerous Chinese newsgroups using Big5 encoding as well, such as: alt.chinese.computing alt.chinese.fengshui alt.chinese.story alt.chinese.text.big5 alt.cnd.chinese-magazine.big5 ... etc. To read them, you'll need a dual-byte-capable newsreader, such as RadicalNews, and Kaisu: ftp:/next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/latest_versions/RadicalNews.tar.gz Finally, there is (or used to be) a company which sells a Chinese version of NEXTSTEP for US$995 called CHINAware: Object Rain Corporation 3F, No. 5, Alley 6, Lane 303, Sec. 3, NanKing East Road, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C. (886)-2-719-1181 phone (886)-2-712-3839 fax Email: idpt353@tpts1.seed.net.tw Good luck! Mark
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ClarisWorks 4.0/Internet Date: 10 Jan 97 17:17:20 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AEFC2A24-1D5889@207.147.50.154> References: <8CF9266.09B800003E.uuout@moondog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-001D579B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-001D579B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who cares? Where is 5.0? You remember, it's supposed to be and OpenDoc Container. 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From: Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@jura.uni-bonn.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Khoros for NextStep? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:05:38 +0000 Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.970110210429.3889B-100000@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> References: <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at> <5b3rji$s76@uuneo.neosoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Robert B. Love" <rlove@neosoft.com> In-Reply-To: <5b3rji$s76@uuneo.neosoft.com> On 9 Jan 1997, Robert B. Love wrote: > In <5b2ha2$ko5@news.tuwien.ac.at> Khanh P. Nguyen wrote: > > Does such a thing exist? > > Yes, sorta. Years ago somebody from the Naval Research Lab > compiled it for NeXT but it still used X-Windows. So if you > can run X on your system, have black h/w and look at the > NeXT & Khoros archive sites you might still find it. > Does anybody know if it compiles under Openstep 4.1 Intel? Regards Konstantin Wiesel Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de
From: Eric Smalling <Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:21:53 -0600 Organization: SABRE Decision Technologies http://www.amrcorp.com Message-ID: <32D6B2F1.53E6@amrcorp.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mats Forssblad wrote: > By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their > web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. > So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right > now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not > commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get > integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, > actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going > to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price > effects on the NextStep os right now, no? hehe - That's probably just to use the thing too! Developer (non-academic) packages are much more. I've been trying to convince my managers to look at OpenStep for NT here for months, but look at the price of the "Starter Pack" _special offer_ at this url: http://www.next.com:80/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_NT/OSE_Starter.htmld/ Yup, thats right FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for _ONE_ developer (on the Enterprise Platform) !!! (and 3 Deployment Packs whatever they are) I sincerly hope Apple helps bring that price down _significantly_. I'm going to a NeXT Seminar next week to see OpenStep Enterprise and WebObjects Enterprise, I'm hoping they will affirm this! es PS: For a full price list see: http://www.optimal-object.com/Software/prices.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Eric A. Smalling SABRE Decision Technologies - Ft Worth, Texas USA --=== ------=== The Any views expressed are mine alone and are in no ----------- SABRE way the views of AMR or any of it's subsidiaries. ------=== Group --=== email:Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com Corp Web Site: http://www.amrcorp.com/sabr_grp/sdt/sdt.htm ____________________________________________________________________
From: bob@activesw.com (Bob Weisblatt) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:42:24 GMT Organization: InterNex Information Services 1-800-595-3333 Message-ID: <5b62ai$q63@masters0.InterNex.Net> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> Another reason we ship PDF is that we can also ship indexes so people can search for something. We haven't found a way to reliably allow our users to search HTML docs. And for me, online docs without a search capability are nearly useless. Does anyone know of a way to allow users to search HTML docs on their machines (rather than my servers)? Bob carloskessel@montreal.com.br (Carlos Kessel) wrote: >Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: >>Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? >... >>Arnold Shore >>Annapolis, MD >That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a >downloadable PDF file in a site would be: >- Maintaining the original design >- Including all images >- Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. >However, I'm still curious about all this Acrobat hoopla. I know some >big fans of PDF. >.................................. >Carlos Kessel >Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:46:00 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Cc: jburton@nwu.edu This is what happens when you rely *too* much on a built-in spell checker... Let it be a lesson to you all. 8^) Naturally, I meant to type: rogue... In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > > DHCP is very important if you want to play in Windows shops. Might > > be your only way to get an IP address for your rouge Rhapsody box... > > Therefore it's important. > > They're going to make #################################################################### From: tony@lookgood.demon.co.uk (Tony Gillie) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:08:24 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32de8aac.83436568@news.demon.co.uk> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970111145001.631308429B-100000@conrad.appstate.edu> <01bc014e$02a25080$87589ace@Pjafiore> NNTP-Posting-Host: lookgood.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lookgood.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.apfel.de!news.radio.cz!voskovec.radio.cz!nntp.uio.no!news.cybernet.dk!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!lookgood.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:27322 comp.text.pdf:6525 comp.text.frame:19407 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop:37815 comp.fonts:48124 comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images:22531 comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:120442 "Jeff Fiore" <jafiore@webspan.net> wrote: >I agree PDF is great but the only problem I have with it is that it takes >forever to print and if other print jobs are printing, you will get an >error that the printer is busy. >Jeff > For what it's worth, I've had the exact opposite experience. I got fed up with waiting for MS Word and MS Publisher to print multiple copies of moderately complex documents (to a local HP Laserjet 4M plus (postscript with 6Mb RAM), so I 'printed' the originals to pdf format, and printed them from Acrobat Reader to the Laserjet. MUCH faster. The only downside is that there doesn't seem to be a 'collate' option when printing from Acrobat Reader. The documents in question contained mostly postscript fonts and a fair number of small embedded images. Tony [previous article extracts snipped] -- Dr Tony Gillie IT Consultancy, Programming, and Desktop Publishing Services tony@lookgood.demon.co.uk
From: "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 10 Jan 97 18:30:17 +0000 Organization: adnc.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <AEFC3B3F-480AD@207.158.11.9> References: <32D691F9.3D2E04C0@screaming.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.os.ms-windows, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.unix.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.adnc.com/comp.soft-sys.nextstep > David Every wrote: > > Of course thats the point - there is more room on RISC for Cache, and > > its easier to add logic to avoid cache stalls and for prefetch... > > meaning that you are more likely to get a cache hit vs a stall which > > can be MORE than 8 times faster. > > May I ask why this is important to newsgroups for systems that > run on multiple processors? I admit that it's a selling-point > for systems that are dependent on PPC, but I don't think those > vendors relish their platform dependencies. Apple's acquisition > of OpenStep, to me, indicates that they no longer want their > API to be tied to an architecture -- so that Apple is no longer > tied to the success or failure of a particular architecture. I agree to a point.... But whats your question/point? I was responding to someone about differences in RISC/CISC architecture and implementation... this seems like a bit of a diversion if you ask me. I think apple DOES want more flexibility. But that was never the issue.= > Doesn't "The Macintosh Way" have something to do with not having > to be concerned with the details of cache stalls? As a user? Sure.... as a programmer? Not so sure. And you need to worry about those things if you are a low level programmer at all.... fortunately concepts like OpenStep (or Rhapsody) should allow more programmers to stay at a higher level..... hmmm... that sounds like a MacWay to me as well. ;-) -- David K. Every MacKiDo Warrior - The Power of the Macintosh Way! -- =A91997 DKE. Non-exclusive, royalty free license to distribute is granted to any service provider except Microsoft. By distributing this, Microsoft agrees to pay $1,000 per posting.
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS Installation FAQ? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:02:23 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <32DB4B9F.2E80@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a NeXTSTEP installation FAQ for Black hardware? Thanks, Jason
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP: NS Install on New HD? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:59:59 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <32DB4B0F.6839@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXTstation mono with a 100MB internal hard drive that I would like to replace with a 1GB Seagate ST31230N. The new SCSI hard drive mounts fine but I do not know how to install NeXTSTEP onto it. I have NS 3.0 on cdrom and I have a NEC 6x SCSI cdrom connected to the NeXTstation and it works with the 100MB drive with NS loaded. When I boot with the new hard drive I get to a ROM monitor and I type b to boot. It examines the SCSI devices and then tries to load off of the cdrom and then craps out. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason
From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:07:36 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 14 Jan 97 01:35:06 GMT, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: > I think they plan to have a 266mhz ppro this year? A 300mhz ppro seem > possible. Compaq has had Klamath 266s for quite a while now. 300 mhz is no big deal from there, although I do want to see the 100 mhz busses - _that_ will be an improvement. ________________________________________________ Reachable at: 713 629 6947 nights Please quote in all replies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701101427.GAA22479@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 09:27:14 -0500 Subject: Procmail Recipe-set for comp.sys.next.* newsgroups Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary I have been using these scripts for awhile now (Thanks to Alan K. Stebbens from the procmail list for a ton of help -- but he is not to blame for the final product) Anyway, I thought this might be of interest to some NeXT users. What it does is allow you to subscribe to the NeXT newsgroups via email (see the FAQ or ask me [by email] how). When the digests come, these recipes will break the digest into single posts, check for crossposted messages (and remove duplicates, keeping only one copy), check for SPAM based on domain name, "From " and "Subject:" lines, and sort the messages into Mail.app mailboxes. It even inserts the proper Reply-To addresses so you can reply to posts and have them posted via email. This has been terribly helpful in light of the recent influx of off-topic posts and "should be in .advocasy" posts They can be found at: http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat/next/mailserver/NeXT-USENET-procmailrc-files.tar.gz if you don't have web access, send me an email message with the SUBJECT send-mime NeXT-USENET-procmailrc-files.tar.gz if you can't read MIME mail, use send-uuencoded NeXT-USENET-procmailrc-files.tar.gz TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat For info on my email auto-responder and searching the PEAK FTP site via email, send me an email with the SUBJECT "send-help" (without the " marks, of course ;-) ^^^^^^^
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb 2.5beta: 777 bug? Date: 14 Jan 1997 15:47:31 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5bg9qj$fm7@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > I've found that using OW2.5 (and maybe others before?) permissions on the > download directory are set to 777; this may not be convenient for some > people! Something to watch out for if you're concerned about security. That's not the permissions of MY downlaod directory (/tmp/username) using OmniWeb. My download directory is readable only be me. The scratch directory (/tmp/OmniWeb), is 777 but OmniWeb places individual directories inside that for each instance/user. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (Thomas Funke) Subject: Fax software on NeXT Message-ID: <1997Jan10.191542.2125@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Organization: Disorganization Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:15:42 GMT I'm looking for a way to send faxes from my cube (NS3.2) and my USR Sportster modem. The sportster is not supported by NXFax ! Did someone manage mgetty+sendfax running/compiling ? Any preconfigured bundle somewhere for download ? Any hint appreciated !
From: jmckee@miaco.com (Joshua T. McKee) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 20:58:56 GMT Organization: Miaco Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> On Sat, 11 Jan 97 01:04:42 GMT, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: >In article <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84>, "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: >>Sure... CISC chips CAN be faster - but they can't keep up, and cost >>more to design, etc.... as for better resources at hand the CISC have >>yet to prove that - to get the performance on CISC (like PPro) you >>have to have alignment issues, etc. that make it look more like a RISC >>than a CISC anyways - and you get code creep the same as RISC. So >>wheres the advantage? >> > > PPrO is a VERY bad cisc example... its a cisc (variable instruction size, >etc..) but only work well with risc like instruction. And the x86 instruction >set is an horrible instruction set. Why? The Pentium Pro happens to be one of the fastest chips around. What makes it a bad example?
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:50:14 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One > calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as > an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual > was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, > the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count > game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a > 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and > used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked > here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor > radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL > in the marketing.... Bogus. Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a processor. You attribute malice or deception to simple confusion in literature and terminology. The fact remains that flat 32-bit code could be and was written on the 68000 from the very beginning, lots of it, this was and is a benefit to its users. If you don't believe me, why not pop over to comp.arch and ask some folks around there whether they think the 68K family qualifies as a 32-bit processor design, or if Moto tried to deceive anyone by promoting it as such. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
Message-ID: <32D9B52C.6838@isd.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:08:12 -0600 From: "Reboot!" <ctoney@isd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <5b62ai$q63@masters0.InterNex.Net> <32d95f11.42670641@news.aye.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:42:24 GMT, bob@activesw.com (Bob Weisblatt) > wrote: > > >Another reason we ship PDF is that we can also ship indexes so people > >can search for something. We haven't found a way to reliably allow our > >users to search HTML docs. And for me, online docs without a search > >capability are nearly useless. > > > >Does anyone know of a way to allow users to search HTML docs on their > >machines (rather than my servers)? > > > >Bob > > > > > Just use the Edit Find function of your browser for simple searches. > > mike@aye.net > http://www.aye.net/~mike/ Gateway to over 450 FREE animated GIFs Or create one time only (since it is on a cdrom) an index.html listing the pages and subject in html and build links....Just have to do it once! -- ***The Truth may be found at*** http://www.isd.net/ctoney/index3.htm Visit The PDF Force at http://www.pdf.org/ for the latest and greatest on Adobe Acrobat!
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb 2.5beta: 777 bug? Date: 14 Jan 1997 18:21:20 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5bgir0$re3@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <5bg9qj$fm7@crcnis3.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <5bg9qj$fm7@crcnis3.unl.edu> On 01/14/97, Rex Dieter wrote: > In article <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford > <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > > I've found that using OW2.5 (and maybe others before?) permissions on the > > download directory are set to 777; this may not be convenient for some > > people! Something to watch out for if you're concerned about security. > > That's not the permissions of MY downlaod directory (/tmp/username) using > OmniWeb. My download directory is readable only be me. > > The scratch directory (/tmp/OmniWeb), is 777 but OmniWeb places individual > directories inside that for each instance/user. > Hmm, how curious; I was using ~/anon_ftp as scratch and download directory, and it was that which it kept setting to 777. I wonder what the difference is...? Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com (Eric Smalling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Home Finance Software for OpenStep? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 18:33:12 GMT Organization: SABRE Decision Technologies http://www.amrcorp.com Message-ID: <5bgjka$kd4@aadt.sdt.com> Keywords: quicken money finance nextstep openstep mach Are there any good (comperable to Quicken 6 or 7) home finance software app's for the OpenStep/NextStep? At home I use WinBlows 95 and would love to get a copy of OpenStep for Mach (for Intel) but I really don't think I'd like dual-booting just so I can update my Quicken Register every day. __________________________#################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!unlisys!blackbush.xlink.net!news.asys-h.de!baghira.han.de!euler!news From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: PageChoice X-Nntp-Posting-Host: euler Message-ID: <E3yoto.5xI@euler.han.de> Sender: news@euler.han.de Organization: Ink Unknown References: <5b9pdf$149@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:29:47 GMT Lines: 23 Uli Zappe writes > mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > > In another thread, long ago, I mentioned the existence of an application > > called "PageChoice" which, given a PostScript file, will allow you to print > > out left or right pages, duplex etc. > > Could anyone who would be interested in this please let me know, > > and I'll let him know the market opinion. > > As I said in another thread, if this tool is also able to do "book-like" > sorting of pages (meaning if you you have say four pages then print 4|1 on > one side and 2|3 on the other side of one sheet of paper) to print your own > little booklets, I'd be VERY interested! There is the /PEANUTS-1/Tools/postscript/programs/quarto package. Its README mentions just that. Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:08:36 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5bebp4$ltl@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <michael.b.moore.1203569514A@news.msfc.nasa.gov> michael.b.moore@msfc.nasa.gov (Michael B. Moore) wrote: > NextStep may *look* cool, and the MacOS may *look* primitive to > some, but I dare anybody to show me a System finder any more > *advanced* than the Mac Finder. What other desktop metaphor allows > me to drag practically *any* icon, whether it's a data file, > application, or folder icon, with the exceptions of the System > Folder and a few oddball apps, *anywhere he wants*, and the system > can *still* find the appropriate file? Uh, how about NeXTstep? Well, I admit I can't drag my apps and folders into someone else's home folder, unless they've set the permissions to allow it; is this your beef? And if I put an application in a spot where I explicitly told the system not to look for apps (this default can be set graphically or from the command line) then I will have to drag my document to it explicitly, rather than having it launch the document with a click. If you dislike this behavior, put / in your applications path, and the Workspace will find your app _anywhere_ when you click on an appropriate document _anywhere_. By convention, a few NeXT apps like to keep their documentation and templates and whatnot in /LocalLibrary, instead of inside their own app wrappers. In nearly all cases, this can be overridden from the application's preferences panel, or by writing a line to the global defaults database. Aren't there any Mac apps that have preferred locations for auxiliary files? Can I take apart Mac Illustrator and scatter the package randomly all over my disk without losing any functionality? I have heard the routers pinging, +--------------------------------+ each to each. | Joshua W Burton (847)677-3902 | I do not think that they will ping to me. | jburton@nwu.edu | -- The Love Song of J. Random Hacker +--------------------------------+
From: "Mark P. Fishman" <mfishman@ll.mit.edu> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:37:40 -0500 Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Message-ID: <32DBEE94.1731@ll.mit.edu> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970111145001.631308429B-100000@conrad.appstate.edu> <01bc014e$02a25080$87589ace@Pjafiore> <32de8aac.83436568@news.demon.co.uk> <5bghul$gcm@neon.house.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Richard Diamond <daweb@hr.house.gov> I have to wonder whether you use the same Acrobat sub-product to print as I do. I use the Acrobat Reader. Version 2.0, version 2.1, version 3.0 for MS-Windows 3.1 or 95 or NT4, or SUN Solaris 2.4 or 2.5, all produce different output on paper, and this output is usually wrong somehow (missing letters, oddball spacing, partial figures, typeface changes). Acrobat Reader 1.0 for MS-DOS often produces the most usable output, with all substituted fonts. I agree that the key benefit of PDF would be that the output should be a perfect copy of the designer's skill in implementing his intent. Thus far it doesn't work reliably. The output can look fine on screen and utterly unusable on paper. Cheers -- Mark F. Richard Diamond wrote: > > As for the use of PDF, I do document layout with lots of kerning and > font spacing to make it look properly professional. Pagemaker can, > with a press of a button, distill it into a PDF file that can print on > any platform running PDF, and the output is *perfect*. That is the key > benefit of PDF.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Anyone compile Kerberos 5? Message-ID: <cdoutyE40LDy.1qv@netcom.com> Keywords: port security kerberos Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:10:46 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom8.netcom.com Has anyone ported Kerberos 5 (of any beta) to NeXTstep? I started in on Beta 7 on NS3.3p1 but ran into some serious problems. I figured that rather re-invent the wheel, I'd ask the Net. If you've ported Kerberos I would really appreciate a set of patches/diffs to the source tree. Binaries would be OK too, but I'd rather not get you in trouble with the State Department. Plus source is just sorta required for a security product. :-) On a related note, did NeXT ever publish the API for loginwindow? I can't seem to find any reference to it on NextAnswers. Thanks, Chris Douty -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: converting .draw files to other formats Date: 14 Jan 1997 03:06:38 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5bet7u$ace@news.next.com> References: <5bdvi7$qs@coopers.cs.ubc.ca> David Poole writes > I have been using nextstep draw (version 3.0) for creating drawings > for a book. Now the publisher wants to be able to edit the drawings > (to make them more standard), so how can I translate .draw files to > another format that can be edited using some standard drawing package > (probably on a PC)... [.eps or .tiff is no good as they cannot be > edited]. > > Thanks for any help you can give, > David > poole@cs.ubc.ca Actually, both EPS and TIFF are *both* editable formats. I'd hate to think that your book publisher doesn't have a copy of either Photoshop or Illustrator. Seriously, though, either ImageViewer.app (available on the usual NeXT archive sites) or OmniImage.app (www.omnigroup.com) can convert ps files to any number of other formats...So: print, save the PS to a file, and convert away! Hope this helps, -Mark -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Chess.app in Openstep 4.1 corrupted? Date: 14 Jan 1997 03:18:40 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5betug$adq@news.next.com> References: <Pine.NXT.3.95.970113203420.5032A-100000@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@jura.uni-bonn.de> writes > > Does anybody encounter graphical errors in the 2d display of the > Chess.app of OpenStep 4.1, too? > > Regards > Konstantin Wiesel > Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de > Yep. I wonder how that happened? It worked fine in 3.3 (really!) At least it's still playable. I'm sure that Apple will give this bug the priority it deserves :-) Thanks, -Mark -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: 14 Jan 1997 23:50:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970114234800.SAA13015@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5be02m$h62@news.xmission.com> This is already available in System 7.5.x, it's called Apple Guide and it does everything listed for WatchMe.app. Scott Johnson
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@exnext.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:13:02 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. Longsine wrote: > In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't > it? > > I want black, too. I wouldn't be surprised if Power Computing could be persuaded to do a line of black machines. They seem pretty hip. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: Morphamania <mm@ois.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: AppleTalk printing on 3.3 Intel NeXT Step. Date: 13 Jan 1997 08:02:37 GMT Organization: Morphamania Internet Publishing Distribution: world Message-ID: <5bcq6t$gvm$1@brumby.cowan.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All! I need the AppleTalk package that the NeXT homepage outlines so i can use my ethernet network to t ppd's for the printer(s) but it e the Appletalk package doesn't ship with 3.3. Any ideas where I can get it or any workarounds???? Thanks. Steve. sdoyle@ois.com.au
From: kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:45:30 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Message-ID: <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> In article <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net>, gmgraves@earthlink.net spouts forth... > Has#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!newsserv.uni-bayreuth.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.apfel.de!nntp.uio.no!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!metro.atlanta.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.ti.com!usenet From: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@hc.ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: PencilMeIn API and Pilot Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:40:57 -0600 Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <32DD24B9.D1A@hc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.hc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.03 9000/735) Has anybody written an app that will use the PMI API and details of the Pilot API to work on a sychronization program for the USR Pilot organizer and PencilMeIn? - Steve -- Stephen J. Perkins Tel. +1(972)995-0029, Fax +1(972)995-6194, e-mail: perkins@ti.com Texas Instruments, P.O. Box 655474, MS 446, Dallas, TX 75265
From: agounder@bdm.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Demoing NeXT Step Developed Software in MS Windows Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:44:18 -0800 Organization: BDM Message-ID: <32DD5DC2.6AAA@bdm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you tell us the best way to create a demo of software developed using NextStep, that can be viewed in MS Windows? We have looked at the WatchMe software, however, we haven't figured out how to port the WatchMe demo to MS Windows. Can anyone offer any suggestions?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: How do I get Calliope.font to work? Message-ID: <E40o6v.Fow@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <E3vwCK.MJI@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:11:19 GMT In article <E3vwCK.MJI@midway.uchicago.edu> bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) writes: > Hi again. I have Calliope.font I need it to run a program known > as Calliope. The font is not an afm or bitmap font. Therefore, > all I can do is link it in /NextLibrary/Fonts/outlines and have > its own directory. However, all the programs say that it still > can't find the font. What do I need to do to update the font to > be available to the program? Hey, another big hit on my hunt for RTFMs ;-) See the man-page on 'buildafmdir'. That should put you into the picture. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: looking for 'rtf <--> html' filter Date: 15 Jan 1997 22:32:49 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5bjluh$sab@news.xmission.com> References: <1997Jan15.112743.47277@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch wrote: > I'm quite sure that this has already been done, but where to look for it?: > > I could need an 'rtf <--> html' filter. It doesn't have to be near perfect, > just the basic things like character codes, boldface, underline, etc. are > sufficient. > > Any pointers? Two options I know of: (1) There are freebies out on the net. Look for rtf2html or rtftohtml. Pop up Altavista or some such to find it. None of these work great with NeXT RTF and may need some tweaking for that. (2) LatinByrd.app, which is in beta right now, from Stefan Schnieder Software (same people who do HelpViewer). I've been testing it and it is not 100% perfect yet, but it is pretty good. I've played with (1) a bit, but (2) already does a better job. 'Taint free, but you get what you pay for... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Previewing MSWord Docs on OpenStep Message-ID: <5bgq4n$mom$1@jake.esu.edu> From: katz@cs.millersv.edu (Beth Katz) Date: 14 Jan 1997 20:25:59 GMT References: <jchan-ya023580001201971414540001@news.apk.net> Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania RE: Previewing MSWord Docs on OpenStep Jerome Chan (jchan@apk.net) wrote: > Are there any Apps or Objects(?) that will do the above? Well, AFS (WriteUp@afs.com) had WriteUp that used various filters to read and write MS Word and other types of foreign (non-NeXT) documents. However, I don't believe they are selling WriteUp currently. Their license for the filters expired. There used to be a demo available. Maybe if someone is no longer using their copy of WriteUp, they might sell it to you. Or perhaps they will start selling it again. Another approach is to get Executor. It is an emulator for a Mac. It can run MS Word 5.1. I've used that combination to write a chapter for a book (on HyperCard 2 which also runs under Executor with some minor shortcomings). You'll need to install Word on a Mac and copy it to NEXTSTEP. It takes five HD diskettes. (My copy is from a site license for my work at school.) Contact info@ardi.com. Both of these "solutions" work with NEXTSTEP 3.1 and up and perhaps earlier versions. They are not OPENSTEP-only or OPENSTEP-ready apps. At least not right now Sorry I can't be more helpful. I'm a happy long-time user and beta- tester for these apps. Beth Katz katz@cs.millersv.edu
From: Paul Naton <pnatona@cts.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:51:09 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <32DD433A.285B@cts.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan W. Hendry wrote: > > Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > > > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > > > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't > > it? > > > > I want black, too. > > I wouldn't be surprised if Power Computing could be persuaded > to do a line of black machines. They seem pretty hip. > > -- > Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. > OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati > http://www.steeldriving.com I just painted my PowerTower Pro 180 black. I used Krylon semi matte black after wiping with a light swipe of laquer thinner then alcohol. Looks awsome sitting next to my still cool but aging Next Turbo color system. I have a old next 'jacket pin' stuck in the front speaker grill of the Power Tower. I installed the eclipse setting in Kaleidescope to get that cool black look and Smart Scroll for that Next windowing thing. Replaced the Mac trash with the Next recycler icon too. Now I dont have next withdrawls. Paul Naton Maximum Graphix Love them both.......
From: "T.E. Biesinger" <teb@eng.cam.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: IBM ThinkPad 560 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:59:35 +0000 Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department Message-ID: <32DD4537.22B1@eng.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Does anybody else use an IBM ThinkPad 560 running OPENSTEP 4.0 out there? I would like to make your contact anyway to exchange experience. Here are some of my problems: 1. I am having trouble with the power mode switching using eg Fn 11 for hybernation mode. All others Fn keys work as root only! 2. The pg up and pg down keys do not work. 3. The CD player using the ESS driver set to 'CD' as input does nothing. 4. The power management does not seem to exploit the power saving functions of the hard disk switching it off when not needed. The cannot be set in the preferences either. Thanks a lot! -- --- Dr. Thomas E Biesinger, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, Trumpington Street, Cambridge CB2 1PZ, UK, em: biesingert@asme.org, vc: +44 1223 3 32869, fx: +44 1223 3 32662. PGP-2.6.i key available!
From: "Robert G. Jacobs" <rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mail header Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:51:12 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.92.970115144705.1106A-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like all email I send from my machine to have a From header that sends mail back to a different machine of mine. If I add a From header in Preferences->Expert, then all MIME mail I send has the new From header. However, all Nextmail and 'Plain text' simply adds on an extra From header that other mail programs apparently ignore. How can I get Nextmail and plain text to use only my new From header? Or is there another way to accomplish this? Thanks. Robert
From: thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenWrite.app and spell checking Date: 15 Jan 1997 07:07:31 GMT Organization: ServNet Internet Services Message-ID: <5bhvnj$5jh@brockman.serv.net> I just started using OpenWrite for my word processing needs and for some reason it does not spell check. All this time I thought that I just spelled exceptionally well when I noticed glaring errors on my resume, of all places :(. The app just gives the familiar beep like it has completed checking the document, but it in fact did nothing. Has anyone else noticed this or have any ideas why it would not check my document? I did notice that it does spell check inside the Help facility of OpenWrite, but not my documents. Anyway, tips appreciated to thrall@serv.net Thanks, dean
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 15 Jan 1997 04:29:31 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) wrote: > In article <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net>, gmgraves@earthlink.net spouts > forth... > > Also > > the apps available for NeXT at this point are completely > > irrelevant. When the Mac system is NeXT, new versions of Mac > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use today's > OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, today's NEXTSTEP > applications are really the first Rhapsody applications. Well, this probably isn't quite true. I doubt that Apple will port the NEXTSTEP shared libraries necessary to run NEXTSTEP apps. Today's OPENSTEP apps may be the first Rhapsody apps, so we need to get busy converting NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: sugee@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Cost of a NeXT Web Site? Date: 15 Jan 1997 22:59:01 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5bjnfl$b79@news.asu.edu> I doubt that many advocates and customers like Chylser, CyberSlice, Nissan, and etc. as the list goes on, will argue about the merits of using NeXT's Web technologies for deploying their Web sites. We have all heard plenty and are proud of what is being accomplished. However, what I haven't heard anything about, something which curiously dawned on me recently and after reviewing what some of these folks are doing, is the cost of implementing and deploying these Web Sites. Can anybody provide approximate costs or actual figures of sites like these? I do respect people's anonymity. Cheers, Sue
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Home Finance Software for OpenStep? Date: 15 Jan 1997 05:26:34 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5bhpqa$o5d@news.digifix.com> References: <5bgjka$kd4@aadt.sdt.com> In-Reply-To: <5bgjka$kd4@aadt.sdt.com> On 01/14/97, Eric Smalling wrote: >Are there any good (comperable to Quicken 6 or 7) home finance software app's >for the OpenStep/NextStep? At home I use WinBlows 95 and would love to get a >copy of OpenStep for Mach (for Intel) but I really don't think I'd like >dual-booting just so I can update my Quicken Register every day. > > Currently there is CheckSum, which is marketed by Stone Design (www.stone.com)... I have pretty near zero interest in financials though, so I've never used it. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:05:20 GMT References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, Jon Tidswell <jont@mri.mq.edu.au> wrote: >[ Note Cross posts ] > >Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, >NeXT is using. NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/Mach use a 2.5 kernel with NeXT extensions (I don't remember exactly what those are at the moment...) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 15 Jan 97 01:26:48 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF01E2DD-A9293@207.147.62.88> References: <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.mac.advocacy On Tue, Jan 14, 1997 11:29 PM, Art Isbell <mailto:aisbell@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Well, this probably isn't quite true. I doubt that Apple will port the > NEXTSTEP shared libraries necessary to run NEXTSTEP apps. Today's > OPENSTEP > apps may be the first Rhapsody apps, so we need to get busy converting > NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP. this is a pretty accurate statement. Take a look at NeXT's website. They now have a MacOS section that basically says that OpenStep applications can easily be converted to the new MacOS. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701142207.RAA16371@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 23a3d73febfe7a85fc194ec29082925a - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 17:07:12 -0500 Subject: ID4 and Apple (Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps?) Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 23a3d73febfe7a85fc194ec29082925a - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Original Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:36:21 GMT > Yeah, the friend I was with smirked "Good thing the aliens use > TCP/IP!" someone on one of the humor e-lists I'm on sent a '40 things I learned from ID4'... here are some relevant entries... 36. In 10 hours, one man with a Macintosh Laptop can code a virus in C++ that will take down a completely alien computer system. 37. Even though the Mac isn't compatible with most other Earthly operating systems, it can interface with an alien computer. 38. Alien network security is nonexistent. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep|OpenStep web page, email me the URL!]
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep Solaris, Mail.app question. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 22:13:42 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9701152113.AA04611@basil.icce.rug.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In article <5bdad3$bpe@iese.iese.fhg.de>, Jean-Marc DeBaud wrote: > Just wondering if there is a version of Enhancemail > that works with Solaris OpenStep 1.1 Mail.app? I would be very surprised if it actually existed. A port to OS/Solaris' Mail.app is non-trivial, as EnhanceMail trojan-horses itself in place by posing as a fair number of internal Mail.app classes. I expect the internals of OS/Solaris' Mail.app to be quite different from the NeXT version (OSsified for one). And the functionality EM adds is not necessarily well separated from the Mail.app classes it overrides... (in laymans' terms: it's a hack:-) -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable __/ _/_/ from a perl script" -- Larry Wall, mangled
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:28 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001501971738280001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu>, gt7357a@acmey.gatech.edu (Tp12a) wrote: > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: > : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers > : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and > : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium > : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted > : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a > : processor. > > I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from > marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" > is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any > other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 > protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). > Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the > horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." It seems reasonable to consider "bitness" when comparing chips from different families, here you point out the fact that within the x86 family that there were and are several sets of ISA and memory addressing models available. But the terms "16-bit" "32-bit" "64-bit" are still useful, as long as you know the difference between "64bit address space", "32bit ALU", and "16bit data bus". Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address space. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: gt7357a@acmey.gatech.edu (Tp12a) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 15 Jan 1997 23:49:42 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : processor. I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." If the ALU word length determined the "bitness" of a processor, then my HP48 pocket calculator is a 64 bit machine, just like a DEC Alpha. If the maximum address space determined "bitness," a Commodore 64 would be a 16-bit machine... With virtual memory, an Intel 80486 would be a 40 bit machine! Go figure... Cheers, Phil : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer * -- Philip C. Tsao (pronounced 'Philip C. Tsao') Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7357a gt7357a@prism.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt7357a
From: "Robert G. Jacobs" <rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Toshiba Tecra 720CDT -- added hard drive Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:57:54 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.92.970115145130.1106B-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a single partition now on my Tecra with NS 3.3 on it. I need to run some Win95 programs and am weighing my options. If I don't want to reinstall NS then I can't use the current internal hard drive, right? Another option is to buy a second internal hard drive, install Win95 on it, and swap when I want to run Win95. Any problems with that? The last option I've thought of is to buy an external hard drive and do the same. First, can I get one for the Tecra and second, can I fairly simply configure the machine to boot off the external hard drive? Any other options? Thanks for any help. Robert
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: 15 Jan 1997 23:39:07 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5bjpqr$6t3@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Cc: jburton@nwu.edu In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > > DHCP is very important if you want to play in Windows shops. Might > > be your only way to get an IP address for your rouge Rhapsody box... > > Therefore it's important. > Porting DHCP client/server should be trivial, since BPF runs fine on NS it is not a big deal. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: Alan Oehler <alan.oehler@tencor.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:08:53 -0800 Organization: Tencor Instruments Wafer Inspection Div., Tech Pubs Message-ID: <32D52625.78FA@tencor.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <32ca9679.31095302@news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig A. Keefner wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 08:47:33 -0500, Arnold Shore > <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: > > >Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? > > > >If (big if!) your primary intent is to develop a web site, then products > >pointed towards that capability would be a better solution, MS's > >FrontPage being a good example. > > "my" website includes a major airline which has financial reports > that legal prefers are displayed in one look and one look only. > html cannot approach it. Thus pdf files or java applets (of ms > documents). > > Craig Yeah, that seems to be the main distinction -- if you have documents that must maintain precise formatting, pagination, etc. when delivered online, Acrobat or something similar is definitely the way to go. -Alan
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 02:37:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : (Tp12a) wrote: : > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : > : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : > : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : > : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : > : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : > : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : > : processor. : > : > I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from : > marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" : > is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any : > other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 : > protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). : > Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the : > horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." : It seems reasonable to consider "bitness" when comparing chips from : different families, here you point out the fact that within the x86 family : that there were and are several sets of ISA and memory addressing models : available. But the terms "16-bit" "32-bit" "64-bit" are still useful, as : long as you know the difference between "64bit address space", "32bit ALU", : and "16bit data bus". : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola : had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit : processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it : has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address : space. I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: 16 Jan 1997 03:49:39 GMT Organization: Puppy Dog Software Message-ID: <mmunz-1501972049040001@slc-dial-56.inconnect.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> <32DD433A.285B@cts.com> In article <32DD433A.285B@cts.com>, pnatona@cts.com wrote: > I installed the eclipse setting in Kaleidescope to >get that cool black look and Smart Scroll for that Next windowing >thing. Replaced the Mac trash with the Next recycler icon too. Now I >dont have next withdrawls. > There's a NeXT Copland Kaleidoscope add-on. If you're after the NeXT look, it's definitely worth a look. Mark Munz
From: davisre@best.com (Robert Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Date: 15 Jan 1997 21:07:07 -0800 Organization: floam Message-ID: <5bkd1r$4gu@shellx.best.com> References: <5bfk4g$v8j@omega.gmd.de> <5bisfl$7bo@rrzs3.uni-regensburg.de> Wolfgang Roeckelein <wolfgang@wi.WHU-Koblenz.de> wrote: > >In article <5bfk4g$v8j@omega.gmd.de> Jelske.Kloppenburg@gmd.de writes: >> >> I have a better answer! In the wrapper find >> English.lproj/Charts/3D >> and rename '3D' to a longer name - '3DD' works >> but if you have a better name ... > >Are you sre this works? Q seems now to crash when you select a 3D chart >type and press return: > >Jan 15 16:36:10 pcrw04 Quantrix[2398]: objc: LCGraphic: does not recognize >selector -axes > Actually, Quantrix 2.3 does not support 3D charts -- notice there is no UI for making a 3D chart. Unfinished development in the charting engine was accidentally exposed by including some test 3D templates in the shipping product (lucky you). The official answer is "delete them" and things will stop crashing. The unofficial answer is play around and have fun -- just save frequently. Rob -- Rob Davis Work: davis@lighthouse.com Home: davis@coaster.com
From: Allan MacKinnon <allanmac@blueprint.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OS/NT 4.1 and grayscale monitor Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:27:58 -0500 Organization: B L U E P R I N T Message-ID: <32DD3DCE.4D99@blueprint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 21" grayscale monitor running at 1600x1200 using a #9GXE-64Pro. This setup is _great_ under native NEXSTEP/OPENSTEP. I've really been happy w/it. But... NT assumes I'm running a color monitor, so the color palette is full of RGB values that are worthless to me. Outside of boards by Artist Graphics, I have never seen an NT driver that allows you to select a grayscale palette. So, two questions: - Does anyone know how to set OS/NT 4.1 DPS to use a grayscale palette? Is this possible? - Does anyone know of any way to force a standard NT video driver to use a grayscale palette? I hesitate to ask this question outside of the NeXT newsgroups because it would probably result in annoying answers like "Windows requires a color monitor." Allan MacKinnon allanmac@blueprint.com
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You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name sould be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER...HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending th bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10.000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!! :))))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.transputer,comp.sys.unisys,comp.sys.xerox,comp.sys.zenith.z100,comp.terminals,comp.terminals.bitgraph,control From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.5bkek0$fah@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Control: cancel <5bkek0$fah@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <5bkek0$fah@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:36:48 GMT Sender: martin.boucher@cgocable.ca ($$$ EASY MONEY $$$) ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm J. Porter Clark, d/b/a The Unknown News Administrator
From: dadler@u.washington.edu (David Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: converting .draw files to other formats Date: 16 Jan 1997 05:39:57 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <5bkevd$qm9@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <5bdvi7$qs@coopers.cs.ubc.ca> <5bet7u$ace@news.next.com> In-Reply-To: <5bet7u$ace@news.next.com> On 01/13/97, Mark Bessey wrote: >David Poole writes >> ...so how can I translate .draw files to >> another format that can be edited using some standard drawing package >> (probably on a PC)... [.eps or .tiff is no good as they cannot be >> edited]. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give, >> David >> poole@cs.ubc.ca > >Actually, both EPS and TIFF are *both* editable formats. I'd hate to >think that your book publisher doesn't have a copy of either Photoshop >or Illustrator. Seriously, though, either ImageViewer.app (available on >the usual NeXT archive sites) or OmniImage.app (www.omnigroup.com) can >convert ps files to any number of other formats...So: print, save the PS >to a file, and convert away! > >Hope this helps, > >-Mark >-- >Mark Bessey >NeXT Software, Inc >Software Quality Assurance >-->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <-- > If these are really drawings, i.e. vector-based graphics, then, I think, there is a sort of problem. If you import EPS into Illustrator or FreeHand or Canvas or Corel (at least the versions I have used) you get a graphic object, resizable and moveable but not truely editable. There is a possible solution, save as EPS from Draw, open, or copy and paste, in Tailor (IMO one of those killer NeXT apps, it's on the Mac now too) Tailor has "made editable" just about any .ps or .eps file I have thrown at it, allowing full text and graphic element editing. Tailor can then save in Illustrator format for moving to the other "platforms". (I am not financially involved with the folks who make and distribute Tailor just a satisfied customer). David -- -- David Adler, Ph.D. scientist "Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense" T.H.Huxley
From: ts110@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Tomaz Slivnik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Date: 16 Jan 1997 05:50:11 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Message-ID: <5bkfij$av2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> tralala@mlink.net wrote: : Get OmniWeb v.2.5.b2 (current version) Don't OmniWeb versions 2.0 and above require NS3.3? Tomaz
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.next.software,microsoft.public.excel.misc Followup-To: comp.apps.spreadsheets From: casfaq@locutus.ofB.ORG Subject: FAQ: comp.apps.spreadsheets: pointer Summary: pointer to FAQ information about spreadsheets Message-ID: <19970116.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> References: <19970109.casfaq.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Supersedes: <19970102.casfaq.ptr.01@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: 16 Jan 1997 06:00:00 -0700 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Archive-name: spreadsheets/pointer Comp-apps-spreadsheets-archive-name: pointer Frequency: biweekly comp.apps.spreadsheets == cas Frequently Asked Questions == FAQ cas is about spreadsheets for ALL computer platforms. The comp.apps.spreadsheets FAQ list can be obtained via all news.answers access methods: quoting the news.answers FAQ: `` Where are *.answers archived? All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24]. Postings are located in the anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers, /pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name". Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings), saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name. If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives by mail server as well. Send an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "help" and "index" in the body on separate lines for more information. '' The FAQ list for comp.apps.spreadsheets is located on rtfm.mit.edu at /pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.apps.spreadsheets/faq>
From: kelley@mudpot.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep Solaris, Mail.app question. Date: 16 Jan 1997 13:57:29 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Message-ID: <5blc49$1qge@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> References: <9701152113.AA04611@basil.icce.rug.nl> in version 1.1 of solaris/openstep, there is a quoting option. we missed mailhelper too but the new version will solve this quoting problem for us.
From: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@hc.ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:37:40 -0600 Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Message-ID: <32DE4B44.670F@hc.ti.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <E42oHA.7Ix@onevision.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > PPP multilink > maybe someone should check if this already on the wishlist of the "free" > PPP? Probably not as there is not much of a demand. There are other things that will take priority. Specifically, kernel based demand dial, better installation app, and tracking down that pesky "connect" panic. Course, things could change... ;). I'm also looking at ISDN and ADSL drivers for those who are interested... Requests can be made at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ (in the bug report/feedback section). Now is the time as I'm ramping up to dig back into PPP soon... - Steve -- Stephen J. Perkins Tel. +1(972)995-0029, Fax +1(972)995-6194, e-mail: perkins@ti.com Texas Instruments, P.O. Box 655474, MS 446, Dallas, TX 75265
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:26:10 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5blkr2$sdm@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com> In article <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com>, rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) writes: |> In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu |> (David T. Wang) wrote: |> > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: |> > : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication |> > : that Motorola had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by |> > : calling the 68K a 32-bit processor. I would consider the |> > : 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it has a 16-bit data |> > : bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address |> > : space. |> > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, |> > there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were |> > acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations |> > actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this |> > indeed the case? |> The original 68000 did indeed have a 16-bit ALU and the behavior |> of which you speak. This did not change until the 68020 if memory |> serves. On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A lot like increasing the clock speed. Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:39:00 GMT Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <5bllj4$163s@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <5bkfij$av2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5bkfij$av2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> On 01/15/97, Tomaz Slivnik wrote: >Don't OmniWeb versions 2.0 and above require NS3.3? Nope, 2.5 runs fine on 3.2 machines with the FoundationUserPatch package installed. See a NeXTAnswers Web server near you for your free copy. -- ---------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Psychology Dept. Univ. of Alberta Network manager, Web manager, and postmaster. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome) http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/staff_bios/gary.finley.htmld/
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: dynamic libraries Date: 16 Jan 97 11:02:22 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan16110222@howard.one.net> References: <01bc0301$291dca00$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com> In-reply-to: "Kenneth R. Fleming"'s message of 15 Jan 1997 16:21:27 GMT In article <01bc0301$291dca00$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com>, "Kenneth R. Fleming" <ken@suite.com> writes: We are attempting to use a few global variables within a dynamic library libtool doesn't like it. We get the error "common symbols not allowed in dynamic libraries" We can find no way to scope the variables to just within the library. Does anyone have any suggestions? You could put the variables as statics, with accessor functions, hidden behind macros: barf.h: #define myGlobal getMyGlobal() int getMyGlobal( void); barf.c: static int __myGlobal=someValue; int getMyGlobal( void) { return __myGlobal; } Hacky, sure, but it does the job, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 16 Jan 97 11:03:54 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: world Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan16110354@howard.one.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: aisbell@ix.netcom.com's message of 15 Jan 1997 04:29:31 GMT In article <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) wrote: > In article <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net>, > gmgraves@earthlink.net spouts forth... > > Also the apps available for NeXT at this point are completely > > irrelevant. When the Mac system is NeXT, new versions of Mac > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use > today's OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, > today's NEXTSTEP applications are really the first Rhapsody > applications. Well, this probably isn't quite true. I doubt that Apple will port the NEXTSTEP shared libraries necessary to run NEXTSTEP apps. Today's OPENSTEP apps may be the first Rhapsody apps, so we need to get busy converting NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP. Beyond which, since NeXT apps available today don't have PPC in their Mach-O, it's a moot point. They can port the shared libraries all they want, but unless they put it in an emulation box (say, a _68k_ emulation box), it doesn't do much good at all. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 17:36:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5blou9$ia8@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Christopher C. Wood (christw@lexis-nexis.com) wrote: : On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. : It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit : ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A : lot like increasing the clock speed. Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that 68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit processor. : Chris : -- : Speaking only for myself, of course. : Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: killer apps for Apple/NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1997 01:31:25 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins Message-ID: <5bk0dd$jnq@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> Cc: ziziz@worldnet.att.net In <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao wrote: > Dean Hall is looking for killer apps for Apple/NeXT OS. He says: > "So far > most of the stories have been about > Apple , I would really like to know > about how the deal affects NeXT > developers. Does anyone have a > killer app in the works? What about > game developers? " > in his webpage http://members.tripod.com/~dehall/nextstep.html One of the companies I contract for may just have the "killer app". Imagine building first class OpenStep objects (especially highly graphical animating ones) with no code at all. This thing could put Visual Basic out of the picture and or be a great way to build Visual Basic component ware. My company is in fact working on a high end game using all of the latest greatest NeXT technology. Sorry I can not give details. P.S. Renderman was already available for Mac
From: lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 19:18:51 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> Nervous writes: : In article <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com>, : edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) wrote: : €In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: : € : €> Lasse Olsen wrote: : €> > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. : €> > Where can I buy one? : €> > Cheers... : €> The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. : € : € : €Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? : You can get a 300Mhz 603e as well. Even multiprocessor 604e-based computers. So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? Cheers...
From: randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: vgrind help? Date: 16 Jan 1997 18:52:36 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <5bltdk$ioq@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> When I try to use vgrind, I get the following: # vgrind area.cc pscat: trouble reading .ct file lpr: stdin: empty input file # What do I need to do to so that vgrind works? Thanks. Randy -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu http://www.geography.ohio-state.edu/faculty/jackson/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701160453.UAA20139@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 23:52:52 -0500 Subject: new mail bundle and NeXT employee's web pages Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary hey y'all, someone told me about a new bundle for Mail.app at http://www.next.com/~eseymour (I can't find the message to tell you exactly who it was) It is called Colorizer, and looks rather cool if you have a color machine, which I don't. ya know, it would be a lot of fun if NeXT.com would give us some idea of how to access their employees' web pages.... I've been told by a few people about cool things that are on someone's pages @next.com, but I don't know how to find them. Does anyone out there know how? TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!]
Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer From: Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org Subject: Re: Help!!! Tcl7.6/Tk4.2 compile errors on Openstep4.0 black (LONG) Message-ID: <E44E15.86p@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <32dd6305.171085267@ceco> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:22:17 GMT In article <32dd6305.171085267@ceco>, you wrote: > Hi Tcl/Tk & Next community! > > Subject says it all. I am encountering compile errors while trying to > install Tcl7.6 on a NextStation (32Mb) Mono running Openstep 4.0 > developer. > > Here is the output... > [....] > tclUnixFCmd.c: In function `TclpCreateDirectory': > tclUnixFCmd.c:430: `S_IRUSR' undeclared (first use this function) > tclUnixFCmd.c:430: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > tclUnixFCmd.c:430: for each function it appears in.) > tclUnixFCmd.c:430: `S_IWUSR' undeclared (first use this function) > tclUnixFCmd.c:430: `S_IXUSR' undeclared (first use this function) > tclUnixFCmd.c: In function `CopyFileAtts': > tclUnixFCmd.c:826: storage size of `tval' isn't known > tclUnixFCmd.c:829: `S_IRWXU' undeclared (first use this function) > tclUnixFCmd.c:829: `S_IRWXG' undeclared (first use this function) > tclUnixFCmd.c:829: `S_IRWXO' undeclared (first use this function) > *** Exit 1 > Stop. Make sure you have the included header <bsd/sys/stat.h> tclUnixFCmd.c #include <bsd/sys/stat.h> > > > Help me please. I am a lowly sysadmin trying to write scripts in > Tcl/Tk, expect, and Perl. All of these have compiled fine at work > under NT3.51 and Solaris2.x (sparc). I'd really like to get to use > this lovely unix environment at home. > > TIA > > eric chu > echu@bpo-ess.ceco.com Hope that helps. Fabien --- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701151447.GAA20934@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: dfd98c1bce2ae1fb613926d5d5c1f4ff - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:46:45 -0500 Subject: Re: OmniWeb 2.5beta: 777 bug? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com, omniweb-l@omnigroup.com References: dfd98c1bce2ae1fb613926d5d5c1f4ff - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Original Date: 14 Jan 1997 18:21:20 GMT Message-ID: dfd98c1bce2ae1fb613926d5d5c1f4ff - > I was using ~/anon_ftp as scratch and download directory, and it > was that which it kept setting to 777. I wonder what the difference > is...? You might try the OmniWeb discussion list: omniweb-l@omnigroup.com Someone there might know TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!]
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NuAM Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:47:04 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7hgkhqgaf.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Hi all...I have been thinking about using NuAM for voicemail/fax with my Zyxel U1496E. Has anyone experienced any problems with this ? The cost of 'mix' seemed a bit oppresive, so I started looking for another solution. How do the two apps compare ? .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: 17 Jan 1997 01:28:28 GMT Organization: Kuentos Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bmkjs$oq@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> <32DC5F69.126@rust.net> <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net> In <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net>, dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) writes: >On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:39:05 -0500, bryan white <bwhite3@rust.net> >wrote: > >>> Compaq has had Klamath 266s for quite a while now. >> >>Have they sold any of these yet? > >No. > >>> deal from there, although I do want to see the 100 mhz busses - _that_ >>> will be an improvement. >> >>There seems to be at least one pentium MB running up to 83 MHZ (ASUS >>something or other). What is the PPro MB running at? > >66 mhz, isn't it? Yes, Asus runs at 83 mhz, although that isn't a >standard, supported spec from Intel. 100 mhz will be. Also a 33 mhz >ISA bus will be standardized, although I can't get excited about that. > No PC dealer right now in their right mind should recommend boosted motherboard speeds to 75MHz or 83MHz without fully supporting the consequences of their recommendations if they sold such systems to consumers. Rgds, Chris Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Message-ID: <9701161329.AA00500@huelf.hamburg.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 14:29:20 +0100 Subject: Q: NeXTmail counter without logging in There is a program, that shows the number of mail-messages each user received, without logging in! It shows the numbers besides the NeXTlogin-panel! Anybody knows what this program is called?? Any pointers?? Thanx! Thanx, Later + Greetings from .. Stefan .. 8^) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stefan Huelf Life spans many different colors, but voice + 49 - 40 - 40 43 64 - REAL Computing is b(l)ack with AppleSTEP stefan@huelf.hamburg.com (NeXTmail,MIME & ASCII) "myNeXTOS"= Rhapsody =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "When the history of Apple Computer is written, Steve Job's entire experience at NeXT may be seen as a 12-year-long skunkworks project" Simson L. Garfinkel in his Analysis dd Dec 21st, 1996, published by San Jose Mercury news ---
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 17 Jan 1997 01:01:43 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bmj1n$lne@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Darin Johnson (darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com) wrote: : >Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to : >determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that : >68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it : >had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit : >processor. : As for myself (eveyrone has a different take on it, as there is no ISO : standard for computer terminology), the assembler language was 32-bit, : so I called the chip a 32-bit cpu. Ie, to the assembler programmer, : the 68000 and 68020 are essentially the same (minus a few instructions : and trap handling). It makes it hard when the programmer's model is different than the architecture. Do you call the processor by what it presents to you, or do you call it by what it is doing underneath? Reminds me of the PPro CISC/RISC debate. : Of course, this breaks down with the x86 series, since the chips run : multiple modes. But these chips are very unique as well (what other : cpu had 3 or more modes that it dealt with?). If restricting yourself : to "primary" modes, the one most used, or intended to be most used, : then you can still classify them this way (despite the fact that many : people still used real-modes in 386 and higher chips). : -- : Darin Johnson : darin@connectnet.com
From: Graeme Bentley <Graeme.Bentley@Fujitsu.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:03:35 -0800 Organization: Fujitsu Australia, Systems Development Software Group Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Doenges wrote: <...snip...> > In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a > 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit > seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. There's a 'blast from the past'. It was the DEC PDP-8/S (serial==slow). It had a horrible addressing scheme. One could address relative +/-128words, or absolute to either 'page 0' or current page (of instruction), or indirect through a page 0/current pointer. Then in addition one could switch 'fields' (banks). The system I worked on started off with a (paper) tape system monitor then we upgarded with a 32K word (direct addressable) disk. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme T. Bentley (Graeme.Bentley@fujitsu.com.au) "Vive et Vivus" Fujitsu Australia Ltd, Melbourne. (standard disclaimers apply) ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:30:28 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e6d5e1.87728943@news.onramp.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> <32DC5F69.126@rust.net> <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net> <5bmkjs$oq@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 17 Jan 1997 01:28:28 GMT, crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: >>66 mhz, isn't it? Yes, Asus runs at 83 mhz, although that isn't a >>standard, supported spec from Intel. 100 mhz will be. Also a 33 mhz >>ISA bus will be standardized, although I can't get excited about that. > >No PC dealer right now in their right mind should recommend boosted >motherboard speeds to 75MHz or 83MHz without fully supporting the >consequences of their recommendations if they sold such systems to >consumers. Check on comp.sys.ibm.pc.motherboards or somesuch and you'll see that there's an incredibly high success rate with dozens of different motherboards. 75 mhz gotten to be pretty old hat by now, and Asus 83 mhz boost is the newest rage. ________________________________________________ Reachable at: 713 629 6947 nights Please quote in all replies
From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Looking for a sorting service Date: 15 Jan 1997 22:52:11 GMT Organization: -=MO.NET=- MVP-Net, Inc's Missouri Operations Message-ID: <5bjn2s$4fj@twain.mo.net> Since I don't use my black hardware at home any more, I'm trying to come up with something that will work on Intel hardware that can replace "Selesort." This is a handy service that allows you to select lines of text and have them sorted and returned in place. It has some other bells and whistles that provide for delimiters and columns, sort order, etc. I have looked for a replacement for a long time but have never found anything. Anybody have any suggestions on what I could use for a replacement? Thanks for your suggestions. John
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 16 Jan 1997 18:52:24 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5dsu77.9nu.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5blou9$ia8@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> >Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to >determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that >68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it >had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit >processor. As for myself (eveyrone has a different take on it, as there is no ISO standard for computer terminology), the assembler language was 32-bit, so I called the chip a 32-bit cpu. Ie, to the assembler programmer, the 68000 and 68020 are essentially the same (minus a few instructions and trap handling). Of course, this breaks down with the x86 series, since the chips run multiple modes. But these chips are very unique as well (what other cpu had 3 or more modes that it dealt with?). If restricting yourself to "primary" modes, the one most used, or intended to be most used, then you can still classify them this way (despite the fact that many people still used real-modes in 386 and higher chips). -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Home Finance Software for OpenStep? Date: 17 Jan 1997 00:12:19 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5bmg53$i9n@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <5bgjka$kd4@aadt.sdt.com> <5bhpqa$o5d@news.digifix.com> Cc: sanguish@digifix.com In <5bhpqa$o5d@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > On 01/14/97, Eric Smalling wrote: > >Are there any good (comperable to Quicken 6 or 7) home finance software > app's > >for the OpenStep/NextStep? At home I use WinBlows 95 and would love to get > a > >copy of OpenStep for Mach (for Intel) but I really don't think I'd like > >dual-booting just so I can update my Quicken Register every day. > > > > > > Currently there is CheckSum, which is marketed by Stone Design > (www.stone.com)... > > I have pretty near zero interest in financials though, so I've never > used it. > > > Checksum; yes it is true, it is (perhaps more) basic (than current Quicken), and it works very well. I have been using it here since 1993, when I switched from quicken for mac (which was being used on NeXT with Executor). I run a business (simply) with it. Give stone-site a look! Rick Sanford Dental Records[tm] dental@precipice.com NeXTMAIL welcome http://www.precipice.com/~dental/
From: "Eric Brown" <ebrown@pointcast.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Where are the ftp software archives? Date: 17 Jan 1997 02:00:22 GMT Organization: scruz-net Message-ID: <01bc041a$2c914530$3374e3a5@delphi> Where can I get new and old NextStep freeware and shareware? Thanks, Eric
From: sinclap2954@cobra.uni.edu (PETER SINCLAIR-DAY) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 97 19:16:28 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1997Jan16.191628.1@cobra.uni.edu> References: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> In article <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no>, lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) writes: > So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? > Cheers... Spring time.. From Power, Apple, Motorola and Umax.. GREETINGS.. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Peter Sinclair-Day POWERMAC OF COURSE.... | | University of Northern Iowa | I I I Do you believe in Macintosh? Learn how to help the cause by subscribing I I to the "EvangeList" listserver! Send email to:<evangelist@macway.com> or I I go to: <http://www.solutions.apple.com/ListAdmin/>. I |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| "Rush Limbaugh is for people who aren't mature enough for Barney..." ....David E. Romm - Shockwave
From: jmosher@think.com (Jessica Mosher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: alternative ppp source? Date: 16 Jan 1997 22:50:21 -0500 Organization: Newsgate Sender: root@bone.think.com Message-ID: <9701170345.AA02006@custard.think.com> I tried getting the NeXT ppp source from www.thoughtport.com, but it wouldn't let me download it--no permissions. Do I _have_ to use a web browser? I looked at the old site at ftp.duq.edu, but they no longer have a next directory. Is there another ftp site where I can get this software via anonymous login? Or will I have to use Netscape or another web browser? Thanks for any pointers! Please send mail. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jessica L. Mosher Thinking Machines Corporation Systems Support Engineer c/o American Express ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ jmosher@Think.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701161858.KAA16658@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 0a795bbd8b7ac92beeb235bf49e2602a - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 13:58:44 -0500 Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 0a795bbd8b7ac92beeb235bf49e2602a - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: ts110@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Tomaz Slivnik) Original Date: 16 Jan 1997 05:50:11 GMT > : Get OmniWeb v.2.5.b2 (current version) > > Don't OmniWeb versions 2.0 and above require NS3.3? as someone has no doubt pointed out by now... No, but you will need the FoundationUserPatch, which you can find at my NeXTStep web page (see .sig) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!]
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:09:46 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au>, Graeme.Bentley@Fujitsu.com.au wrote: > Eric Doenges wrote: > <...snip...> > > In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a > > 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit > > seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. > > There's a 'blast from the past'. It was the DEC PDP-8/S (serial==slow). > It had a horrible addressing scheme. One could address relative > +/-128words, or absolute to either 'page 0' or current page (of > instruction), or indirect through a page 0/current pointer. > Then in addition one could switch 'fields' (banks). > The system I worked on started off with a (paper) tape system monitor > then we upgarded with a 32K word (direct addressable) disk. > -- What did you expect from a very inexpensive computer that was introduced in 1965? J.
From: rmcassid@uci.edu (Robert Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:13:05 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine Message-ID: <rmcassid-1701970113050001@dialin9226.slip.uci.edu> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <AEFF3074-2BB40@194.117.206.244> <32DAF6E5.416D33AA@screaming.org> In article <32DAF6E5.416D33AA@screaming.org>, Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> wrote: > Although I hate to equate such a beautiful operating system > with Plymouth automobiles, I think it is possible that the new > Apple operating system will be known as a "NeXT" operating > system for some time in some circles. Apple must be considering the official name of Rhapsody to be OpenStep 5.0, so you might be more right than you know. -Bob Cassidy
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Date: 13 Jan 1997 12:45:38 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu Message-ID: <5bdapi$39p@portal.gmu.edu> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: against my better judgment, I'll take this on... I'll take a stab at this, even though it's in the .advocacy circus as well... In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com>, Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> wrote: >OK, after working with, next to and around several of the advanced >commercial "mainstream" OSes out in the world (NT 4, Solaris, IRIX, etc.) >as well as NEXTSTEP, it seems to me that there are several areas that >Rhapsody really needs to work on if Apple ever wants to be taken seriously >in the corporate/enterprise world. In particular, to compete with NT, >Rhapsody needs most of these. Among those: First off, I want to say that you don't appear entirely clear in some of what you're saying (to me at least). Second, I'm not interested in holy wars, like the current GX spam/bullshit that various nimrods are ranting about. I'll try to address what I can. >PPP multilink What exactly do you mena by "PPP multilink"? Do you mean mutiple PPP interfaces on a single workstation? Do you mean the ability to use PPP in a point to point virtual (i.e. non-serial) protocol layer? It's not clear. The current implementation of PPP in NeXTSTEP is very capable of acting as a server for multiple clients from a single machine. I don't know what the theoretical limit on it is, but I belive that for every reasonable use that anyone could possibly consider, that it is more than adequate. Beyond a certain level of useage, it really becomes much more sensible to invest in a dedicated terminal server. YMMV on what that threshold is. As for it's robustness, well it's pretty freakin robust. You can count on better performance than you could expect out of other PPP packages on other platforms. For instance it doesn't suffer from some of the problems you can see with it on an SGI where the port/daemon doesn't get reset on the server side... Also you can do things like make the server dial into the client, and make the client do the IP allocation for the server etc. etc. You can pretty much abstract the configuration layers to your hearts content. (Don't ask me to do this, or how to do it, unless you wanna pay me though, it's non-trivial.) >DHCP server/client DHCP server packages are around and from what I've seen of them, we arn't talking a hugely difficult port, if someone hasn't gotten around to it allready. There does need to be a client side done though from what I can tell. That aside, if you understand how Netinfo works, you'd understand that this isn't very neccesary to much of anything except compatability with NT. IMHO giving ground to Bill and his legion of dittoheads shouldn't be a huge priority. >ACLs This would be nice, but user/group/other works ok. I'd like to see it, but I wouldn't cry over it's absence. It would provide a nice advance in the OS though... >a decent filesystem (suggestion: license XFS from SGI?? It would > seem to be ideal for the multimedia market Apple is > pursuing.) The filesystem needs to include journaling, > support for large volumes (2 GB is ridiculously small), > compression (like NTFS has), etc. I'll agree with the first point, no reason to license anything though. There's plenty of capable folks between Apple and NeXT people to do this. Pursuing license agreements might be a good stratigic move for the multimedia market, but that's a pretty narrow area. As for compression. Can I say EWW! with disk prices today what they are, and considering that graphics don't compress worth spit, (and won't ever compress via filesystem compression) this is a real witless idea. I've never been at any corporation that allowed that crap on users desktops, and hopefully I never will be at one. You ever tried any advanced data recovery from a compressed disk? I'd rather read sectors by hand using "dd" and engage in other crypto-wizardry to recover 'lost' data (and I have) than mess with that crap. There's no sane reason fo this one. >on-the-fly configuration of *all* network parameters (e.g. change > DNS info, etc. without a reboot) This is a bad, bad idea. Might be good for small organizations & home use, but damned if I'd ever want that on my networks. It'd be a managment and configuration nightmare, and totaly exclusive to any secure rating you could give an OS. You want big security headaches? Do this one in a corp/gov environment. You'd have to be smokin crack to even consider allowing it in the door in that type of scenario. >multi-homing ability Plug another network card in. Configure it. Bango, your multihomed. I've heard of people doing it sucesfully, and I know of no reason why it can't be done. Correct me if I'm wrong please. >IPv6 support There's allready some support for SKIP, this needs to be redone/worked on according to the authors of it. I have contact info etc. if anyone's interested in it. The rest of the protocol needs to be on track, and there does need to be a serious plan for this. But to the desktop, we're years away from implementation globaly on this one. Hell, the nic & IANA need to get off their collective asses and free up namespace before IPv6 becomes more than allot of hot air. >a clear roadmap to 64-bitness within the next 2 years Yea, this needs to happen. >C2 (or better yet, B1) security configuration. Admittedly this > is mostly just hype (for instance, NT only achieves C2 > certification with all networking removed, floppy dis- > abled, etc.) but it's one of those buzzwords that IS > departments look for. Do you have any idea what it takes to make a system B1? I don't think you do. It's _damned_ hard to do. And it reduces usability drasticly. This is not something that's worth the time it takes for the market returns. As for NT's "C2" rating, it's a load of shit. Having done trusted system evaluations and ratings professionaly, I can tell you that "No floppy, no network" is a clear signal from the evaluation team that the rating is purely a political one, and that the system does not pass the requirements for C2, and can not be made to pass in the form being evaluated. As for politics entering into the equasion, if you don't belive they exist in that process you are woefully and stunningly naive. NT is NOT C2, it should not have ever gotten that rating, and I do not belive, based on knowledge of the massive list of security bugs it has, that in release form it can be made C2, even WITH no network and no floppy. . On the other hand, I belive NeXTSTEP can be made C2. And done with what's shipped stock too. As for what you said about IS departments, I agree, but it's also something (security) that most IS departments couldn't find with a flashlight to say the least. > >These just scratch the surface, but they're all important. I really hope >that Rhapsody can compete with NT down the road... It should be able to compete very well with NT, even in the face of Microsofts monopolist activities, and their generaly anti-competative behavior. Marketing is an enourmous issue. I just wish that competition could be on technical assets alone, if that were the case it'd be a hell of allot easier. Tim -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: rmcassid@uci.edu (Robert Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:34:13 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine Message-ID: <rmcassid-1701970134140001@dialin9226.slip.uci.edu> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu>, jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > They're going to make them in _rouge_? Oh, gross! I thought beige > was bad enough.... > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't it? Didn't you notice - green tint copper is the future. Only problem is sticky notes really blow the whole effect! -Bob Cassidy
From: scottm@nic.com (Scott Maxwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:52:44 -0500 Organization: PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) Message-ID: <scottm-ya02408000R1701970152440001@news.erols.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <slrn5dqdku.lt8.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> <5bl0v3$rm5@duke.squonk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bl0v3$rm5@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: =>So, NeXTSTEP has two buttons, one of which would be an "action" >button, and the other is a "menu" or "information" button. This >is not like X, where you have three buttons and each application >makes up it's own mind as to what actions are triggered by which >button... > Cool. That's the same system the Amiga uses except the menubar appears at the top of the screen when you push the right button. -- -------------------------------- Scott Maxwell - scottm@nic.com "We are a fact-gathering organization only... the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo." -- J. Edgar Hoover
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WTB: NeXT Developer 3.3 for Black Hardware Date: 17 Jan 1997 06:36:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970117063600.BAA00225@ladder01.news.aol.com> The title says it all, please contact me if you have a CD (or floppies, no optical disks since I have a station and not a cube) your willing to sell. Scott Johnson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: jerry@icgned.nl (Jerry Martin van der Duim) Subject: laserwriter pro 810 ppd file Message-ID: <E45AE3.C3H@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: IC Group Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:01:15 GMT Hello, I'm looking for the ppd file for the laserwriter printer. I have tried at adobe but I got a hqx.sit file thing and that doesn't go to well on my NeXT machine. The laserwriter is an A3 printer which we like to use from our NeXT machines. Greetings J.M.D.
From: jn0729a@cage.cas.american.edu (Jon Nathan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cd-r software for next black Date: 17 Jan 1997 15:56:51 GMT Organization: American University, Washington DC Message-ID: <5bo7g3$itt$2@paladin.american.edu> if anyone could point me towards cd-recording software for next i would appreciate it. i have a 68040 black system with nextstep 3.3 please respond via email Jon Nathan jn0729a@american.edu
From: liuyi@cs.utexas.edu (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TOP Date: 17 Jan 1997 09:57:37 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <5bo7hh$8c8@pesto.cs.utexas.edu> References: <32DF96EE.34F@stevens-tech.edu> Ident-User: liuyi In article <32DF96EE.34F@stevens-tech.edu>, Brian Ward <bward@stevens-tech.edu> wrote: > >Does anyone know were I could get the source code for TOP. So I could >see the processes on the NeXT mach kernel? Try http://peanuts.leo.org/, I think I saw a version compiled for NeXT a couple of days ago. (Or ftp.evolution.com, which is the US mirror.) liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@anet-dfw.com> | <liuyi@usa.net> Dallas, TX
From: Pascal Chesnais <pascal@mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:32:46 -0500 Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Message-ID: <32DFA9AE.167E@mit.edu> References: <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> <5bh3k1$q1r@shelob.afs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory H. Anderson wrote: > > Kevin Pompei writes > > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use today's > > OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, today's > > NEXTSTEP applications are really the first Rhapsody applications. > > Yeah. Isn't that GREAT?! If you look at the NeXT website, they have a Rhapsody documentation page. It does say that you will need to recompile the application to make it run on the new system. This does not suggest to me that current NEXTSTEP apps will run, only those written for OPENSTEP and recompiled for the new OS will run... pasc
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 17 Jan 1997 16:57:59 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <5bob2n$5cf@shelob.afs.com> References: <32DFA9AE.167E@mit.edu> Pascal Chesnais <pascal@mit.edu> writes > Gregory H. Anderson wrote: > > > > Kevin Pompei writes > > > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use today's > > > OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, today's > > > NEXTSTEP applications are really the first Rhapsody applications. > > > > Yeah. Isn't that GREAT?! > > If you look at the NeXT website, they have a Rhapsody documentation > page. It does say that you will need to recompile the application > to make it run on the new system. This does not suggest to > me that current NEXTSTEP apps will run, only those written for > OPENSTEP and recompiled for the new OS will run... Well, sure. But we have an enormous head start. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "I wander'd off by myself, In the Crystal Ball/Star Gazer | mystical moist night-air, and from Anderson Financial Systems | time to time, Look'd up in perfect greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | silence at the stars." Walt Whitman
From: Eirik Mangseth <emangset@online.no> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:50:30 +0100 Organization: United Consultants A/S Message-ID: <32D58446.2FD4@online.no> References: <5ap7mm$55b@doffen.uninett.no> <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se> <5aprft$af9@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit crobato@kuentos.guam.net wrote: > > In <5aplpa$bar@epimetheus.algonet.se>, froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) writes: > >lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: > > > >>Robert Iacullo writes: > >>: jmiller wrote: > >>: > > >>: > If PowerPC chips are so shitty, then how come: > >>: > They are availiable at a faster Mhtz rating? (225Mhtz versus 200Mhtz) > >>: > They have been shown to be more efficient at equal Mhtz? > > > >>: They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > > > >> Where can I buy one? > >> Cheers.. > > > >Rick Bergman, VP/Marketing for Exponential Technolog says: > >"We expect to go from 533 megahertz up to as much as a thousand > >megahertz or a gigahertz." > >(http://www.newmedianews.com/110996/lo_exponential.html) > > > >By the way, how fast (sorry, how many mhz) is the fastest > >mainframe/any cpu? > > > > Way lower than this. I think about 300MHz. > > It does not matter. Mainframes are not about MHz, just as super computers are > not as well. They are about fail safe reliability. They are about > multitentacled, multprocessor monsters with lotsa processors running in > parallel, talking to each other through buses that zip gigabytes per sec. > > Rgds, > > Chris > > Famous People on the Day Windows 95 is Launched--- > Neil Armstrong---"One Small Fortune for Bill Gates, > One Giant Leap backward for Mankind." > President Roosevelt---"This date shall live in infamy." > *** crobato@kuentos.guam.net *** TKS for the Contributions. Not only that, they've got an I/O subsystem that runs in circles around any so-called server based on e.g. x86. Eirik
From: glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Installing NeXTstep 3.3 Intel Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:32:15 -0800 Organization: Europa Communications Inc. [Portland, OR] Message-ID: <glenn-ya02408000R1701971032150001@news.europa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, I recently aquired a copy of NeXTOS 3.3 for NeXT and Intel machines. The set includes a boot disk and CD. The boot disk appears to be for NeXT hardware only, and the CD does not seem to be in any common format (like ISO 9660) that allows it to be mounted on a PC. Is there some trick I'm missing to install, or do I need an Intel boot disk. And if so, where can I get one. -Thanks ---- Tod L. Glenn Internet Services Administrator Now Software ITG webmaster@nowsoft.com ---- http://www.nowsoft.com ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com listserv@nowsoft.com
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:18:04 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One >> calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as >> an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual >> was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, >> the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count >> game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a >> 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and >> used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked >> here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor >> radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL >> in the marketing.... > > Bogus. Hey, I didn't write the manuals. If you think it's bogus, talk to MOT! The fact is, the timing of the manuals was just as I described. Looks like a clear attempt at impressing newbies. Unfortunately, for MOT, newbies and end users rarely order instruction set manuals. However, the point wasn't entirely lost as Apple had good time with it. > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a >processor. > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > You attribute malice or deception to simple confusion in literature and >terminology. The fact remains that flat 32-bit code could be and was >written on the 68000 from the very beginning, lots of it, this was and is a >benefit to its users. > This is an example what maketing does best. There was no confusion in the literature. MOT knew exactly what they were doing. I don't think malice or deception fits here. The programmers know what's going on and that's what counts. I'm surprised someone didn't add up all register bits and go with that figure. > If you don't believe me, why not pop over to comp.arch and ask some >folks around there whether they think the 68K family qualifies as a 32-bit >processor design, or if Moto tried to deceive anyone by promoting it as >such. > I don't give a hoot what comp.arch thinks about the 68K. I was pointing out what MOT, the manufacturer, said about.
From: TheCopyCatShop@noisp.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: CD Recordable Media Date: 18 Jan 1997 00:28:58 GMT Organization: The Copy Shop Message-ID: <5bp5ga$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> We have the following CD-R media for sale. Brand: Pioneer Type: Printable Media (Surface is blank for printing or labels) Type: Gold on Green Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.99 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: Pioneer Type: Gold on Green Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.55 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: Maxell Type: Gold on Gold Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.55 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: TDK Type: Gold on Green Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 6.55 Minimum Order: 10 Brand: Hewlett Packard Type Gold on Gold Size: 74 min (650 mb) Price: 7.15 Minimum Order: 10 Lifetime Warranty The Copy Cat Shop has all your CD duplication, replication, recorders, software, and media needs. If you have any questions or comments feel free to call. Cordially, The Copy Cat Shop 213-650-1680 213-650-9110 Fax Email: angie@tccs.net
From: Yosi Hoshen <jhoshen@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Printer Driver Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 19:03:16 -0600 Organization: <Not Availabe> Message-ID: <32D59554.BC7@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXT cube SW release 3.0 and a NeXT pronter. The NeXT coputer is runing SAMBA. Connected to the Cube is a PC. I can only print from the PC to the NeXT printer one page at the time. If I try to print entire document e.g. MS Word the printer does not print the document (unless I print it one page at a time) It gives a stack error. I have tried several printer drivers but the results are the same. Does any one has a suggestion on a possible driver or any other solution. Thanks -- Joseph (Yosi) Hoshen jhoshen@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (630) 369-0637 812 Shiloh Circle, Naperville, IL 60540 Work: (630) 979-4303, (630) 713-5398 (FAX), hoshen@lucent.com
From: jswitzer@aimnet.com (John Switzer) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: 9 Jan 1997 15:53:56 -0800 Organization: Aimnet Corporation Message-ID: <5b40ek$fag@shell1.aimnet.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> In article <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br>, Carlos Kessel <carloskessel@montreal.com.br> wrote: >Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: > >>Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? >... >>Arnold Shore >>Annapolis, MD > >That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a >downloadable PDF file in a site would be: >- Maintaining the original design >- Including all images >- Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. Don't forget that if you're using Framemaker 5, it's a heck of a lot easier to produce PDF than HTML - I just have to click a couple of buttons, print to PS, and distill. HTML is far from being this convenient. Also, if your customers will want to print the docs at any point, the PDF is superior to HTML. At least, that's the reason I'm giving for including on-line help in both PDF and HTML form - HTML is immediate, giving the customer the bare information they need, while PDF takes a little more time to deliver over the web but allows them to easily save a local copy and print it. Also, there are Acrobat's security features, but I'm not using those at the moment. -- John Switzer | "The camel has a mind of its own, a subtle and demented | psychosis as old as time and twice as huge: it is eating | my brain with a tea-spoon." - (favorable) review by jswitzer@aimnet.com | Charlie Stross of "Programming Perl" in The Perl Journal
From: John Schultz <jschultz@netten.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:49:55 -0600 Organization: T-Net Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32E01E31.2CD4@netten.net> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> <slrn5dvkfg.r74.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a >> 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit >> seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. I am trying to recall one of the replies to this piece. For some reason my ISP isn't getting everything here. While at work I see it all but my system isn't configured to reply. Yes DEC's PDP-8S was a "cheap" version of the PDP-8 that ran a 1-bit ALU through the 12 bits of data. I do not have any info on its speed. Since the PDP-8's speed was set by the core memory, the PDP-8S probably could process several bits in the 1.5 micro-second memory cycle. So I would expect that the PDP-8S was no 12 times slower. One point that might lead to a wrong conclusion was that the addressing was not relative as we now consider it. Direct addressing was limited to the 128 words of page 0 and the 128 words in the page where the PC was pointing. There were any number of times that the assembler complained because a I/O test loop TSF JMP .-1 crossed a page boundry!
From: root (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT help needed Date: 10 Jan 1997 04:09:11 GMT Organization: adnc.com Message-ID: <5b4fd7$oq5@taurus.adnc.com> References: <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> Cc: spdwell@adnc.com In <spdwell-0601972321190001@adnline24077.adnc.com> spdwell@adnc.com wrote: > I have a NeXT Cube with 3.2 in it. I need help telling this > machine that in serial port A is a modem. How do I set up PPP? I'm > using a 14.4 Practical Peripherals modem and a properly modified cable. > Please help, send any information to > ..............cward@adnc.com.............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com............cward@adnc.com................... > I am on the internet with a Next! How do I setup outgoing mail? I can do everything but send mail out...
From: stimpy@castlerock.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: new mail bundle and NeXT employee's web pages Date: 18 Jan 1997 01:36:51 GMT Organization: None today Message-ID: <5bp9fj$ln8@tkhut.sojourn.com> References: <199701160453.UAA20139@PEAK.ORG> In <199701160453.UAA20139@PEAK.ORG> Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > hey y'all, someone told me about a new bundle for Mail.app at > > http://www.next.com/~eseymour > > It is called Colorizer, and looks rather cool if you have a color > machine, which I don't. hey, it's really cool.... I like it..... try it. thanks for the tip !
From: froz@algonet.se (Mats Forssblad) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:24:48 GMT Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> NNTP-Posting-User: b7fe697fc47f6ef7093c87732e2a5b740 jecobb@netsync.net (Justin Cobb) wrote: >Thomas Vincent (info@sfbayrun.com) wrote: >: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back, at Apple. >: >: To see what I am talking about, check out this LA TIMES article: >: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/BUSINESS/t000111043.html >That article was promising and encouraging... >If the new MacOS has even half the advantages of Next, I may just have to >start taking it seriously again ;) There seems to be a uniform optimism about this project. I hate to make anyone disappointed, but I have a hunch they are going to f... mess it all up. We do not know that what is going to be produced is a Next that can, eventually, run old Mac binaries, do we? By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price effects on the NextStep os right now, no?
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MovieApp v 3.0 supports QuickTime compressed with one specific scheme - Which? Date: 17 Jan 1997 22:43:16 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-e-69.usc.edu Message-ID: <5bova4$7b1@usc.edu> MovieApp v 3.0 supports QuickTime compressed with one specific scheme - Which? Which compressions scheme(s) does it support. OR -> What are the specs for making a QuickTime supported by MovieApp? -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: How can I play animaged gifs on NS m68k? AND what does one need to properly set up xanim on NS m68k? Date: 17 Jan 1997 22:44:16 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-e-69.usc.edu Message-ID: <5bovc0$7b1@usc.edu> How can I play animaged gifs on NS m68k? AND what does one need to properly set up xanim on NS m68k? -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 17 Jan 1997 19:24:37 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5dvkfg.r74.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> >> In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a >> 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit >> seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. Burroughs had a variable-bit computer. Word size was not fixed, at least not in the instruction stream. It was stack-based, so you couldn't classify it based on register size. Don't know details about it, it may have had an upper limit based on the ALU though. -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701171358.FAA06322@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 23c9573292d367ca7b67094597a05808 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 08:58:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Where are the ftp software archives? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 23c9573292d367ca7b67094597a05808 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: "Eric Brown" <ebrown@pointcast.com> Original Date: 17 Jan 1997 02:00:22 GMT > Where can I get new and old NextStep freeware and shareware? ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next see my NeXT web page for more (ref .sig) NeXTInfo TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!]
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 1/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B8000057.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Apple Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock Press Luncheon at Comdex November 19, 1996 Las Vegas Ellen Hancock, Chief Technology Officer Good morning. It's a great pleasure to be at Comdex--and especially to be here for the first time on behalf of Apple. Apple is famed for living in its own reality-distortion field. But coming to the company from a long career at IBM and National Semiconductor, I've had the advantage of an outside perspective. And that's an advantage I don't want to lose--even as I gain the inside perspective. So I'm here--not just to talk to you, but to HEAR from you as well. I want to leave plenty of time for the question-and-answer session. I truly value those exchanges. I learn from them about what's not clear or what's of greatest concern to you, and I want to provide as many answers as I can to your specific questions. The Beginning When I got to Apple, I discovered that there is, as most of you know, some remarkable and ground-breaking technology in Apple's laboratories. We give good demos. But, clearly, we need to become a lot more effective at delivering our technology to the marketplace and gaining its adoption. Not just within Apple's current market strongholds. But broadly, across the industry. I view my job as clearing the path to make that happen. And today I want to tell you how we're going about it. To begin with, I want to talk about the opportunities presented by the new trends in the industry today. I'll fill you in on the changes we're making at Apple to help us participate in these trends. I'm very clear that the company has to ruthlessly and relentlessly drive out the Not-Invented-Here syndrome. We need to begin working much more closely with alliances. And we have to develop the discipline to meet our commitments. A year from now I'd want us to be judged by two things: Were we open to new ideas? And did we deliver to customer expectations? In that regard, I want to update you on our progress toward announcing the roadmap for the MacOS. Third I want to lay out some of the specifics of our strategies to address the Enterprise market, to extend our lead in media production, to keep our hardware at the cutting edge. And, finally, I'll give you our perspective on the trend toward thinner clients, and show you two of our entries in this field. Looking Ahead Our goal is to achieve much broader adoption of our products and technologies. I believe that the current trends in the industry give Apple a better opportunity to accomplish this now than at any time since 1984, when Apple introduced the Macintosh. In fact, when you think about it the parallels between now and '84 are intriguing: The industry is dominated by a single vendor. Customers are locked in and frustrated with infrastructure, costs and lack of flexibility. And new technologies are arriving which hold the promise to fundamentally dismantle this model and change the direction of the industry. Indeed, it feels like we are, again, not so much at the end of an era, but at the start of a new one--and one in which, once again, Apple's innovation will play a key role. In many ways, I think 1997 may be a lot like 1984. You can see these trends all around you at the show this year: Look at the emerging new paradigm of open network computing based on the standards of the Internet and intranets. It's creating an environment that can integrate and assimilate innovations from many sources. Including Apple. Look at the tremendous interest and activity in lower-cost Network Computers- -rebalancing the client/server model to reduce costs of acquisition and support at the desktop. It's opening the way for innovative so-called, "thin" clients. Including those from Apple. Look at the growing dominance of digital media formats. It's enabling the convergence of entertainment, broadcasting, publishing, and computing. And in this trend, Apple is the clear leader. All of these trends create opportunities that play to Apple strengths. The task of our new management team, under Gil Amelio's leadership, is to move the company into position to actualize this potential. We're engaged in a transformation to build a new Apple that's much more in tune with the industry today. And I believe it will lead to a break-out strategy for Apple technology. We're working to take down the barriers between our Apple and the rest of the industry. A break-out strategy means that from here on at Apple, NIH -- "Not-Invented-Here" -- is dead. If we find the best answer outside the company, we'll bring it in. A break-out strategy means interoperability is a prerequisite. Building bridges to other platforms isn't the customer's job; it's ours. A break-out strategy means putting our full weight behind Open Standards and Internet protocols. We're working side-by-side with other industry leaders to cross-pollinate the best of our technologies with the best of theirs. But above all, a break- out strategy for Apple means getting very clear about the unique values that we bring to our customers and to the industry. We need to focus on those values and drive forward with relentless and rapid innovation... with products that arrive on schedule and with no compromise in quality. What I want you to know is that we are moving strongly in that direction now, and with deliberate SPEED. And what I mean by deliberate speed is that all the pieces may not come together as quickly as you want or need them to, but they will come together in a way that gets it RIGHT. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: 18 Jan 1997 00:00:52 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5bp3rk$nj1@news.platinum.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bdapi$39p@portal.gmu.edu> Cc: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu In <5bdapi$39p@portal.gmu.edu> Tim wrote: In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com>, Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> wrote: [variousItemsAndReply munch]; > >C2 (or better yet, B1) security configuration. Admittedly this > > is mostly just hype (for instance, NT only achieves C2 > > certification with all networking removed, floppy dis- > > abled, etc.) but it's one of those buzzwords that IS > > departments look for. [ someReply munch] > As for NT's "C2" rating, it's a load of shit. Having done > trusted system evaluations and ratings professionaly, I can > tell you that "No floppy, no network" is a clear signal from > the evaluation team that the rating is purely a political one, > and that the system does not pass the requirements for C2, and > can not be made to pass in the form being evaluated. As for > politics entering into the equasion, if you don't belive they > exist in that process you are woefully and stunningly naive. > NT is NOT C2, it should not have ever gotten that rating, and > I do not belive, based on knowledge of the massive list of security > bugs it has, that in release form it can be made C2, even WITH > no network and no floppy. . I was pretty stunned when I saw this tidbit about NT, too. I was hoping someone else would gripe about it, so I didn't have to. Thanks. No network? Really guys... if it was anybody other than MicroSoft they would have been laughed out of the evaluation. > On the other hand, I believe NeXTSTEP can be made C2. And done with > what's shipped stock too. On most UNIX platforms, including NeXTSTEP, C2 level security can be achieved (with or without help from the vendor) by configuration. I've never heard of disabling the network or floppy as part of that configuration, though dial-up connections (into the C2 machine) are often prohibited. It may be that to be certified, the vendor must supply some documentation as to how that configuration is done, etc. It's been awhile since I studied this, though, so don't take my word for it. Simson Garfinkel has a great introduction to security, "Practical UNIX Security" (O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.) which is recommended reading if you are administering non-unix systems. Also, the "Orange Book" which defines the DoD security specs, where C2 comes from, can be found on the web... (this one is nicely formatted and indexed) http://www.disa.mil/MLS/info/orange/index.html /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| "The meek shall longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= inherit nothin'." (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U - Frank Zappa
From: TheCopyCatShop@noisp.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5bp5ga$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <5bp5ga$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:30:37 +1 Organization: The Copy Shop Message-ID: <cancel.5bp5ga$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <5bp5ga$drj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "TheCopyCatShop" or "summary of auto-cancels" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: CD Recordable Media.
From: alan@gibbs.me.ttu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTAppleTalk Date: 18 Jan 1997 04:31:32 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <5bpjn4$3oc@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Keywords: Apple Talk Hello, many months to maybe year ago, somebody posted how to get the Appletalk package from NS 3.0 working on 3.1-3.3 Black hardware. I can't find the info so I am hoping to get it from one of you folks. Please send the response to me and one to the group for good measure. Thanks!!! -- AB ______________________________________________________________ Alan A. Barhorst | alan@osci.me.ttu.edu Mechanical Engineering | http://www.osci.ttu.edu/ Texas Tech University | NeXT, MIME and ASCII mail. ______________________________________________________________
From: Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Oracle, Java available for NeXTSTEP or OPENSTEP ? Date: 18 Jan 1997 05:28:01 GMT Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5bpn12$qp2$1@news1.slip.net> Hi, I'm considering buying a black cube for experimental software development. The apps I would build use Oracle extensively. Is some version of Oracle available for either OpenStep or NeXTStep OS? Also, is there a Java compiler available for either OS? Finally, is there some OS version after which I am certain not to run into problems if used the CERN http software to set up an intranet? Thanks, e-
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:57:13 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: > > >> This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One > >> calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as > >> an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual > >> was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, > >> the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count > >> game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a > >> 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and > >> used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked > >> here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor > >> radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL > >> in the marketing.... > > > > Bogus. > > Hey, I didn't write the manuals. If you think it's bogus, talk to MOT! > The fact is, the timing of the manuals was just as I described. Looks > like a clear attempt at impressing newbies. Unfortunately, for MOT, > newbies and end users rarely order instruction set manuals. However, > the point wasn't entirely lost as Apple had good time with it. Lance, I'm a programmer, and from a programmer point of view it was possible to write 32-bit code without contortions on 68K from its inception (and have that code continue to run without modification on later models with larger physical address spaces). This did not become true on x86 until two unique memory models and some years later (80386). > > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers > >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and > >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium > >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted > >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a > >processor. > > > > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by > computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you > mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. So was it accepted in 1982 or not? Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep Apps? Date: 18 Jan 1997 04:22:17 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5bpj5p$lnd@news.digifix.com> References: <trubane-1501970138400001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> <32DD2AE6.CC5@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <32DD2AE6.CC5@erols.com> On 01/15/97, gbh@erols.com wrote: >> [...] >> For instance, what www browsers are available for NeXT; and are they >> stable, etc? What about word processing, page layout, etc? Is PageMaker >> still available for NeXT? [...] > >Take a look at the following web sites to find software for NEXTSTEP: >http://www2.stepwise.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Stepwise/ISVs.woa/1464720110891 28169909971572160214/Main.wo/2199007260114/1/-/digifix > >http://peanuts.leo.org/server/information.html > >--gh > Just a correction on this... using that URL will present you with timed out session... You want to enter through the front door http://www.stepwise.com/ or for the ISV listings specifically http://www2.stepwise.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Stepwise/ISVs.woa -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701171417.GAA08610@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 9391dfb4207b4d7a0624cd1b85e9e0d5 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 09:17:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Q: NeXTmail counter without logging in Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 9391dfb4207b4d7a0624cd1b85e9e0d5 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Stefan Huelf <stefan@huelf.hamburg.com> Original Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 14:29:20 +0100 > There is a program, that shows the number of mail-messages each > user received, without logging in! > > It shows the numbers besides the NeXTlogin-panel! > > Anybody knows what this program is called?? Any pointers?? never heard of it. There was a BackSpace module that was supposed to do something like that, but I don't remember what it was called. As the names floated around, they changed color if you had mail waiting.... not exactly what you were looking for. Let me know if you find it, sounds cool TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199701171734.JAA18427@PEAK.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199701160453.UAA20139@PEAK.ORG> From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 12:34:21 -0500 Subject: Where to get Colorizer.bundle (Re: new mail bundle and NeXT employee's web pages) Cc: eseymour@next.com References: <199701160453.UAA20139@PEAK.ORG> Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary I've had several people email me and tell me they can't seem to get the bundle for NeXTStep/OpenStep Mach from Eric's Web site. Since I can't email everyone a copy (actually, I don't even have it myself, since I'm on a mono machine), I've put it on PEAK here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.README NOTE: this is the NeXTStep version (which also works on OpenStep/Mach). There is an OpenStep NT on his web page. The bundle will stay there as long as Eric doesn't mind (I've CC'd him on this message). Visit his webpage at http://www.next.com:80/~eseymour. Colorizer's homepage is http://www.next.com:80/~eseymour/Colorizer/Welcome.html TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!]
From: Eric Smalling <Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:21:53 -0600 Organization: SABRE Decision Technologies http://www.amrcorp.com Message-ID: <32D6B2F1.53E6@amrcorp.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mats Forssblad wrote: > By the way, I got curious about the Next for pc, so I went to their > web-page to see what the os costs. I could not find any information. > So, with help of dejanews I found out that there IS no price right > now, but it DID cost $ 895. Now, that IS STOOPID. No wonder it is not > commercially popular. IF such an expensive OS is actually going to get > integrated with an os that most people regard as free (even if it, > actually is not, but few notice that there is a price), that is going > to produce some...what shall we call it...interesting demand/price > effects on the NextStep os right now, no? hehe - That's probably just to use the thing too! Developer (non-academic) packages are much more. I've been trying to convince my managers to look at OpenStep for NT here for months, but look at the price of the "Starter Pack" _special offer_ at this url: http://www.next.com:80/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_NT/OSE_Starter.htmld/ Yup, thats right FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for _ONE_ developer (on the Enterprise Platform) !!! (and 3 Deployment Packs whatever they are) I sincerly hope Apple helps bring that price down _significantly_. I'm going to a NeXT Seminar next week to see OpenStep Enterprise and WebObjects Enterprise, I'm hoping they will affirm this! es PS: For a full price list see: http://www.optimal-object.com/Software/prices.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Eric A. Smalling SABRE Decision Technologies - Ft Worth, Texas USA --=== ------=== The Any views expressed are mine alone and are in no ----------- SABRE way the views of AMR or any of it's subsidiaries. ------=== Group --=== email:Eric_Smalling@amrcorp.com Corp Web Site: http://www.amrcorp.com/sabr_grp/sdt/sdt.htm ____________________________________________________________________
From: mckinnon@tezcat.com (Chuck McKinnon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadm Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 23:44:25 -0600 Organization: Satan's Servers of Process Message-ID: <mckinnon-0901972344260001@mckinnon.tezcat.com> References: <5b387f$t4r@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> In article <5b3r3f$48t@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, nurban@vt.edu wrote: >In article <5b3ef8$26v@news.acns.nwu.edu>, jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) wrote: > >> jdevlin@umich.edu wrote: > >> > SUGGESTION: The new Apple OS should come with an entire CDRom >> > library of WatchMe cassettes on every conceivable topic. > >> This is a _stunning_ idea, and could go miles toward making the new >> platform, > >> Could you please try forwarding this to Avie, and perhaps even Steve >> himself? > >I'd like to point out that you can send suggestions to >feedback@macos.apple.com. Somebody there _does_ read them, so I would leadership@apple.com also lets you whisper in Gil's ear. -- -- Chuck McKinnon + mckinnon@tezcat.com --------------------------------------------------- Chicago Municipal Code Section 4-24-140: "No domestic animals, except _cats_, shall be permitted in a bakery or place where flour or meal is stored in connection therewith, and suitable provisions shall be made to prevent nuisances from the presence of cats."
From: sea@c031.aone.net.au (S*E*A) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,de.admin.news.software,de.comm.internet.software,de.comm.software.crosspoint,de.comm.software.pmail Subject: Configuration / Testing Management Date: Sat, 11 Jan 97 09:42:38 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Message-ID: <5b7nae$8p4_005@cpe.Melbourne.aone.net.au> S E A S o f t w a r e E v e r A f t e r 117 Clarinda Road, South Oakleigh, VIC 3167 Australia Voice: +61 3 9551 5234 Fax: +61 3 9551 5254 Quality Assurance and Testing Software + Configuration management + Document control + Calibration recall + Library management + Software testing + Revision / version control Free downloads: http://www.home.aone.net.au/sea/ Thank you - Lisa - Marketing Manager SEA Software Ever After
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: looking for 'rtf <--> html' filter Date: 18 Jan 1997 07:00:06 GMT Organization: Personal Message-ID: <5bpsdm$23b@rumah.pc.my> References: <1997Jan15.112743.47277@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> <5bjluh$sab@news.xmission.com> > >(1) There are freebies out on the net. Look for rtf2html or >rtftohtml. Pop up Altavista or some such to find it. None of >these work great with NeXT RTF and may need some tweaking for that. > rtftohtml was written to work best with Word stylesheets. Its not very useful w/Next editors, but if you get CedarWord (only ~$30) it is pretty easy to define stylesheets to do a decent job of editing html pages. Cedar says that they plan to add html in a later version, but the next/apple merger may put this project on the back burner for now. - mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Michael Olan Email: michael@rumah.pc.my (NeXT Mail OK) Senior Lecturer - Computer Science michael@ppp.itm.my American Degree Program Fax: 6-03-5482329 Institut Teknologi MARA Section 17, Shah Alam, Malaysia PGP Key available ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: olaf@orest.escape.de Subject: Re: NuAM (voice/fax machines) Message-ID: <E47781.9wI@orest.escape.de> Sender: olaf@orest.escape.de (Olaf Mueller) Organization: Objective Methods, Inc. References: <x7hgkhqgaf.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:48:00 GMT In article <x7hgkhqgaf.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> writes: > > Hi all...I have been thinking about using NuAM for voicemail/fax with > my Zyxel U1496E. Has anyone experienced any problems with this ? The > cost of 'mix' seemed a bit oppresive, so I started looking for another > solution. How do the two apps compare ? newam-0.2 works fine for ZyXEL U1496 (i developed it using this modem). It has no data handler for incoming calls and a fix voice answer mode. There will be a new version in a few days, which makes it to a more powerful tool. The most important improvements are: o a free programmable answer behavior. Depending on the caller's input different actions can be caused like: recording voice, invoking a UNIX commnd, sending a fax. o handling incoming data calls and will still come with a moderate price. Regards Olaf Mueller
From: kazdan@hans.math.upenn.edu (Jerry L. Kazdan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: LaTeX2e for NeXT black hardware Date: 18 Jan 1997 04:40:05 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <5bpk75$2g6@netnews.upenn.edu> Is there a reasonably current version of TeX with LaTeX 2e for NeXT (black) hardware running NeXTSTEP 3.2 (or 3.3)? (Probably a FAQ) An email reply is best. Thanks
From: "Jonathan W. Hendry" <jon@steeldriving.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:49:10 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32D70DB6.2D75@steeldriving.com> References: <32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com> <59eoku$eih@mica.netsync.net> <5b55du$nuq@epimetheus.algonet.se> <32D6B2F1.53E6@amrcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Smalling wrote: > Yup, thats right FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for _ONE_ developer (on the > Enterprise Platform) !!! (and 3 Deployment Packs whatever they are) The Deployment Pack must be the OpenStep runtime (name daemon, window server, pasteboard server, etc.) that has to be installed on systems that are going to be running OpenStep NT applications. -- Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati http://www.steeldriving.com
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 4/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B800005A.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 HOT SAUCE One of our key technologies in Knowledge Management is known as HotSauce MCF, or MetaContent Format. This technology provides a standard way of describing information about information. MCF provides a way to work with the contents of multiple databases as though they we're all in one unified collection HotSauce, (formerly called Project X) is an early demo in the evolution of the MCF story. It provides a visual representation of data collections--such as sites on the World Wide Web, or the contents of your hard drive--and lets you navigate almost as if you're flying through them. But an even more compelling application of MCF is in allowing people to find information across multiple, and separate databases using a single query. Information Managers who have previewed this technology see it as a useful way to give corporate clients access to their company's information resources. Some of the technologies that Apple is working on with partners could redefine the concept of a "client." We are working today, for example, with a company in Germany that is using OpenDoc to create information access COMPONENTS that you can drop into a document. When you open the document, it automatically accesses a chosen database; the connection is already made. According to a Gartner Group report, knowledge management--especially OPENDOC COMPONENT SOLUTIONS--is one of Apple's major areas of differentiation. Windows can't touch this today. Obviously, MCF's ability to access the Internet or intranet to get unstructured, rich media in real time is also a compelling part of our Internet strategy--an example of our commitment to making rich media ubiquitous and usable on the Internet. Which brings me to our second key contribution to the new network architecture: we're extending our multimedia leadership through the QuickTime Media Layer, or QTML. QUICKTIME MEDIA LAYER In QTML, we're unifying our strongest multimedia technologies into a single architecture that spans from industrial-strength authoring and media production to low-cost delivery and playback vehicles. Apple's aim for QTML, and the rest of our multimedia efforts, is to expand both the creative range and the market reach of our customers in the media community. These include such fields as media-authoring, film, video, and music production, Internet-publishing and digital-playback. QTML is a software layer that comprises QuickTime, QuickTime VR, QuickDraw 3D, QuickTime Conferencing, sound, and the interactive authoring tools that enhance those products, such as Game Sprockets, HyperCard, Apple Media Tool, and AppleScript. It's implemented across MacOS, Windows, and UNIX. This week, for example, we're announcing QuickTime 2.5-Win for Windows. QTML is designed as an extensible media container architecture. Which means that it can embrace emerging standards for digital media such as MPEG II, HDTV, and Dolby Digital Surround. Our efforts with QTML are focused on solving two major problems our customers have raised over and over again: Problem one is the desire to AUTHOR ONCE, and play back EVERYWHERE: Developers in enterprises, the interactive marketplace and the digital video and audio market want to develop once and play back in multi-platform environments--Macintosh, Windows, Windows NT and even UNIX. Problem two is the need to REPURPOSE DIGITAL CONTENT: Developers also want to develop once for distribution over the Worldwide Web, on CD-ROM, and in professional digital video production environments. And they want to do that without having to cripple content features, or dilute the video. Solving problems like these, in a cross-platform architecture, can be a huge win for Apple and secure our place as the dominant vendor in this arena. Our goal with QTML is to ensure its adoption beyond the Mac platform. We're investing in making QTML both OS-agnostic and platform-agnostic. It's a major wedge for us in helping us break out of the Mac-only box. And it's working. One day last summer some 11,700 Windows users downloaded 32-bit QuickTime software for Windows. This is the kind of statistic that has that strange quality of so much that we do these days.... that is, of being simultaneously encouraging and worrisome. We know that we must be cross-platform to survive... but you may be wondering just what the PROFIT model is in all of this. On one level, as the originator of technology standards, we have the absolute advantage in terms of optimizing our platform for the multimedia activities they enable. On another we should be able to increase the revenue streams for Apple. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 5/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B800005B.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 So let me tell you some of the things we're doing to ensure a performance edge for Apple in multimedia. First, we're working with Phillips Semiconductor to accelerate QuickTime functions for the Trimedia TM-1 media processor. The PowerPC combined with TriMedia will provide the the combination of accelerated-performance and high- quality that Apple customers require. Second, as I mentioned in conjunction with our alliance with Sun Microsystems, we're working on a library of common low-level multimedia functions called MediaLib. Writing to MediaLib will not only make it easier for developers to create multimedia applications, it will also make it easier for those applications to be created for a variety of microprocessors and coprocessors. MediaLib can make it easier to port applications across platforms. Our goal is to ensure that developers have access to the Mac Market with the smallest possible incremental development costs. Our work in making our QTML standards work across platforms is already bringing new players to the Macintosh platform. Vertigo is a classic example. As you know, Vertigo is a huge player in the 3D hardware arena that is now available on Macintosh, as a result of cross-platform QuickDraw 3D 1.5. In this case the entire debate about developing for multiple platforms was preempted. While each of the initiatives I've just described will have its own revenue model, they also contribute indirectly to our revenues, by helping to make our operating system and hardware lines more appealing and more acceptable. With Apple defining the most comprehensive architecture for digital media, customers will certainly want to consider the hardware systems we offer for their own production and development. OPEN NETWORKS With Apple working actively alongside other key players in the industry, customers will come to see us an equal citizen of open networks. The open, interoperable network environment has clear implications for our hardware designs and our OS. We have to make them better citizens in mixed environments. I am committed, for example, to making the Mac OS more INTEROPERABLE in heterogeneous environments that include Windows NT. What exactly do I mean by interoperable? I mean delivering the performance enhancements that Apple customers in NT environments are asking for. Like better file and print capabilities. Domain name services. PPTP, and communications over IP. AND, for some of our education and publishing customers especially, it means an NT-capable server from Apple. PC COMPATIBILITY We're advancing the PC Compatibility Card, for users who want Windows support. This solution combines a Pentium-based computer in the same box as the PowerPC-based MacOS computer. It provides full cut-and-paste interoperability between the two environments. We're also building stronger interoperability features into the Operating System. And next year, when Apple and other vendors introduce models based on the PowerPC Common Hardware Reference Platform--popularly known as CHRP--the interoperability story gets even better. For example, customers can choose to run NT if they want to, on products like Viper, Motorola's CHRP system due out in April. Our attention to interoperability across the board will make MacOS systems more appealing and acceptable in corporate environments. But it's clear that not every worker in an organization needs the full capabilities of a production workstation. In many cases, companies have been over-investing in client-side hardware. Which leads to the third important trend that is so much in evidence here at Comdex. And that's why there has been so much attention in the last few weeks to a strategy that rebalances the role of the client and server. NETWORK COMPUTING More than a year ago, Larry Ellison of Oracle, created a stir when he proposed the NC, or Network Computer. Over the past three weeks we've seen announcements from Microprocessor companies, software companies, and hardware manufacturers all jumping into the ring with some variation of the theme. Apple, as I've mentioned joined with IBM, Netscape, Oracle Corp., and Sun in proposing the standards for the Network Computer. We firmly believe its an idea whose time is coming. But we also believe that the principle of rebalancing the client/server model goes beyond the particulars of the NC. Apple announced two products last month that extend the principle of thinner clients into a new realm. They're both designed as communication devices. They're both designed to work with networks or desktop computers (either Windows or Mac). And they're both designed to be lower-cost alternatives to a full-scale desktop or laptop computer. But unlike the NC, these products are not dependent on the network for functionality. They're portable devices that provide basic productivity applications even in stand-alone mode. They both represent principles that I believe represent the best of the new Apple. Customer focus. Superior user value. And an artful approach to product design that creates products that delight our users. But beyond those values they also demonstrate careful attention to interoperability with legacy systems. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 2/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B8000058.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 What's Up With Mac OS? I know you're most anxious to hear about our strategy for evolving the Mac OS, so let me get right into it. The last couple of months have churned up a lot of rumors and speculation in the media and on the 'Net about where we're headed. And with whom we might be traveling. I can only hope we get this much coverage when we actually make our announcement. And I promise you that will be by early 1997. I won't comment on the accuracy of any of the various rumors that are swirling around, but I would like to make one observation. Most of the stories and postings I've seen focus on just ONE of the options that we're considering. But you should know that not everyone that WE'RE talking to is talking to YOU. Let me be very clear that we have SEVERAL ways to go on this. We're evaluating options to either make or buy components of MacOS 8.0. I have several alternate product plans on my desk that all meet our customers' and developers' key requirements for our next generation operating system. All of the options I'm looking at will get us to a ROBUST, OPERATING SYSTEM with MEMORY PROTECTION and PREEMPTIVE MULTI-TASKING. I can tell you that, in the spirit of the new and open Apple, we ARE looking outside. There are some very attractive technologies out there that we are considering incorporating into MacOS 8. For example, it seems clear to me that any next-generation OS which doesn't integrate Java won't be around for very long. And clearly Java is something we have licensed in from Sun. But please be clear on this: Apple can deliver memory protection and preemptive multitasking in MacOS 8.0 with our own resources and the help of our industry partners. We will tell you at MacWorld San Francisco which path we're taking. And we'll show you--in detail--how this operating system strategy will involve and excite our customers and developer partners. What's Up With Middleware? What I'd like to do next is talk about the layer above the operating system-- what is known as middleware or bridgeware--and our plans here. It gives us a new approach to the enterprise. And it strengthens our lead in media production. We're committed to transforming Apple from a product-focused company to one that is focused on customers and focused on contributing its technology to the mainstream of the industry. So it isn't enough to take an inventory of cool technology from Apple labs, wrap a few slides around it and call that a strategy. In order for our strategy to really work for our customers, I believe it needs to meet three criteria: First, it needs to align with the most important customer and industry trends. There's very little argument that these are the Internet and multimedia. Second, it needs to supply distinctly superior value to the customer, creating new efficiencies, new opportunities, and, true to Apple's heritage, a strong sense of empowerment for the user. Third -- and this is a point that Apple too-often neglected in the past -- it needs to fit into an established, crowded, and growing technology space. Customers are not to throw out everything they've invested in and start over with new technology. Our new technology needs to interoperate with both legacy systems such as Windows, UNIX, and, of course, the current MacOS, as well as with new emerging standards and platforms such as Java. By looking at the whole information technology space and not simply our own proprietary systems, we can create opportunities for Apple technology that reach beyond the MacOS platform. We've done that successfully with QuickTime. And if you look around the show today you'll see we've done it again with FireWire -- the high-speed port which will provide bandwidth for advanced audio and video applications. Sony, Toshiba, Texas Instruments, and Yamaha as well as Apple -- are all showing products that incorporate FireWire. Going forward, you can look for a lot more development from Apple that is, as we like to say, "platform-agnostic." I believe that mapping our strategy to these trends creates an opportunity for Apple that is stronger than anything we've seen since the original Macintosh market breakthrough of desktop publishing. Let me tell you why. Ever since the Mac first appeared, it's been viewed as an alternative, maverick platform. Yes, people generally acknowledged that it was a milestone in human-interface, that it had a superior operating system. But it was a non- standard OS. Long before the first Mac rolled off the assembly line, the majority of the business market had already standardized on IBM compatibles and MS-DOS. The majority of the market concluded that changing platforms would be too disruptive, and they elected, instead, to accept the costs entailed in upgrading to Windows, Windows 95, and now, Windows NT. Where the Mac succeeded, it was by blazing new trails into areas that the early PCs couldn't handle: publishing, graphics, media production, and engineering. Many enterprise systems tolerated Macs in the art department and nowhere else. Why should that change now? Why should our outlook be brighter today? Because something is taking hold in the enterprise that represents a departure from the old model of client/server computing. It's an approach to network computing based on open Internet standards--a new architecture that offers more flexibility, new efficiencies, and new opportunities for creating, communicating, and collaborating. And in this new paradigm, the operating system on the client doesn't matter to the network. It only matters to the user. In this paradigm, the Mac is a full citizen. And Apple can be a major player. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hancock Speech 3/5 Message-ID: <8CFC3C4.09B8000059.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 16:04:00 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Many of you will remember a newspaper cartoon in the early days of Internet ramp-up. Two dogs were sitting at a personal computer typing--and one dog turns to the other and says, smiling: "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog". It's the same on the Macintosh. On the Internet nobody knows you're a Mac. This has been the pattern of the Internet since its inception. And now, with the prominence of the World Wide Web this paradigm for an open network architecture is visible everywhere. The Web has shown us all how powerful a truly agnostic network can be. The Web mixes servers running UNIX, the MacOS, and Windows NT. And it mixes clients on Mac, Windows, Newton, and now, even television sets and game consoles. (By the way, 64% of the pages on the Web are created on Macintosh. And Macs clients are doing more than 20% of the browsing--that's over twice what you might predict from our installed base.) The choice for corporate networks is between a proprietary client/server architecture and the new intranet-based architecture. The proprietary system is complex to develop for, and expensive to deploy. Customers are locked in. And the benefits remain elusive. The open system offers rapid development, it's less costly to deploy, and innovation is supported by a broad alliance of industry leaders. In the new environment, Apple clients have full citizenship. In the new environment, Apple middleware can benefit customers of all platforms and operating systems. In the new environment, Apple can forge a winning technology strategy. Let's take a look at what we're doing to build that strategy. APPLE ALLIANCES In ending Apple's go-it-alone, not-invented-here approach to innovation, we've stepped up our work with other industry leaders. Case in point: our alliance with Sun Microsystems. Sun's Java language is one of the building blocks of the new network architecture. And we're committed to integrating Java into the Mac environment. Earlier this month we shipped our first Beta Version of the Mac OS Runtime for Java. The Apple/Sun announcement is an enterprise-focused agreement on how two major players will work together to solve our customers' real-world problems. Multimedia technology is one component of the alliance. In this area SUN wins, because customers can take advantage of QuickTime capabilities in Java applets and applications, as JavaSoft enhances the JavaMedia APIs and libraries to fully support QuickTime. APPLE wins, because we can employ Java in an equally compelling fashion, and meanwhile, QuickTime's position in the industry is expanded and strengthened. We're also working with Sun on a library of multimedia routines known as MediaLib. It's an exciting project that I expect will keep Apple in the forefront of multimedia authoring. I'll tell you more about it when I discuss our strategy for interactive media. The Sun alliance also has major implications in the area of Internet/intranet application development. Our two companies are working to ensure interoperability between Java Beans and OpenDoc. This cooperation is expected to result in a full suite of component development tools. Again, both companies win, and the COMPONENT SOFTWARE proposition is strengthened. OpenDoc offers Java developers additional functionality such as document- persistent storage, uniform data transfer, and embedding and layout capabilities to scale Java Beans into component-based solutions. And Java provides OpenDoc developers with platform independence, offering high portability of components. The Sun alliance has another important facet on the HARDWARE side. Under the agreement, Apple customers will be able to tap into powerful Solaris-based enterprise environments from Macintosh clients. Sun enterprise customers will be able to interact with Macintosh clients across Solaris server-based intranets. And Sun is just one of the technology leaders we're working with. We're also working with Netscape to enhance the quality of multimedia, video-based images, and digital music in Netscape Navigator. And to bring Navigator into Apple's Cyberdog Internet client. --With Silicon Graphics to accelerate the development of "digital studios" for feature film, animation, and broadcast video. --With Netscape and Silicon Graphics together to develop a new file format based on Apple's 3D metafile format. --And with, IBM, Netscape, Oracle Corp., and Sun to announce guidelines for making low-cost, easy-to-use network computing devices. Together with our partners, it's our goal to provide rapid innovation and clear customer value. And perhaps more important, and in the spirit of the next 1984, Apple plans to regain its place of relevance and reliability in the marketplace. APPLE TECHNOLOGIES By looking beyond the MacOS platform to the industry at large, we're finding major opportunities where Apple technology can play. I'll give you two examples. The first is an area we call Knowledge Management. From an information management perspective, it means harvesting greater value from your investments in data. From a user perspective, it means finding what you want to know without knowing where the information is hidden. Knowledge Management is the art of turning vast stores of data into useful, relevant information. It has tremendous potential in the enterprise. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94
From: jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:34:42 -0500 Organization: none Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? Steve
From: martin@datamodl.demon.co.uk (Martin Hargreaves) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.apps,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.tandy,comp.text.frame,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:39:06 GMT Organization: Datamodel Ltd Message-ID: <853605586.12929.1@datamodl.demon.co.uk> References: <59nb2t$eck@news3.texas.net> <59nmve$phs@synthemesc.insync.net> <55pvzjh8t8.fsf@pbunyk.physics.sunysb.edu> paul@pbunyk.physics.sunysb.edu (Paul Bunyk) wrote: > >Actually... there was an ancient way to break a *given* mail programm >on a system you know too well: Theoretically if the mail program do >not allocate enough space for Subject: line, for example, and you feed it >a cerefully choosen long subject line, it can write itslef over some internal >structures of the program and mabe even cause some code to be executed. >Of course the mail program should be buggy (but sendmail *was* buggy, moreover, >it *is* buggy still) but I doubt that there still are people who can craft See recent issues of Phrack for "Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit". Any fool can do it now. Most recent in this vein was using a long gecos field a while ago. >that ;-) As far as I remember Morrison's famous Internet worm exploited >something like this in Sun's sendmail... Morris's worm used the now very elderly DEBUG hole. >But you should not worry, Windows'95's mail can not have this bug! ><kidding!> See the NT security mailing list for recently posted buffer overrung exploits embedded in mail designed for Windows NT and 95. ;-) Security - it worse than you think... M.
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From: t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Sat, 11 Jan 97 01:04:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> In article <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84>, "David Every" <dke@adnc.com> wrote: >> >You have it exactly backwards. CISC instruction sets are more >complex >> >and require more decode logic. This makes it harder decompose the >> >instruction stream into independant pieces that can be dispatched >> >to seperate execution units. > >Stephan Schaem <t21@ix.netcom.com> >> Risc need bigger cache, faster instruction fecth to execute the >same >> logic. > >Code creep on RISC seems to be about 10-20% in most cases... however >CISC machines (like the P6) also demand aligned instructions and data >to get their best performance - which translates to code (data) creep. >I am not sure which is worse at this point. > How often do you allign instructions... and isn;t this an effect of the cache? >Instructions do not need to be faster - that is a seperate issue all >together. In many cases the opposite is proving to be true - with RISC >machines (604e) beating the CISC-RISC hybrids (like PPro) eventhough >the later has a larger and faster cache and a lot more circuitry. So >you seem to be wrong in practice. > Its because the x86 is terrible in design... and in turn the code is not smaller then risc code, but suffer all the cisc disadventages. x86 is not cisc , P6 is not risc. x86 are just crap design. Dont label P6 code CISC and then prove a point that way... The general idea is that cisc can code more computation per byte, please look at a 680x0 for a better example. ). I'm not saying a 68000 is faster then a 500mhz PPC, just that byte for byte a 68000 acheive more, and in turn require less bandwidth and less instruction cache size. >> >As chip integration increases, more execution units can be added >> >which RISC can take advantage of in a more direct fashion. (There >> >are fewer dependancies between instructions, etc) >> >> And need more bandwidth and faster/bigger cache. > >BOTH need that - and PPro needs much more and faster than PPC to get >the same results - so it seems you have this backwards. > Both, but not at the same rate.... Dont equal the X86 ppro implementation to CISC. >> Having fixed size >> instruction is great, but this do not stop you from having more >complex >> instruction doing more per instruction. > >Sure you could do more per instruction on CISC - but each instruction >was slower and could stall the pipe - resulting in MUCH slowing >performance than just doing it the RISC way. So you save 10% in memory >- and lose 40% in die size to support CISC, and lose 40% in >performance - not a good tradeoff if you ask me. > I dont beleive those number are acurate... >> >Take a look at the fastest CISC out there, the Pentium Pro. What >> >does it do? It 'preprocesses' the CISC instruction stream into a >> >simpler, more 'RISC' like, instruction stream which is then >executed. >> >> Thats the amazing part too me... that this actually work :) >> It execute 3 variable size instruction per cycle.... > >Its called superscalar - and it is not amazing it works - it is >amazing how much more die size (gates) it takes up to do the same >amount of work. > It is not really the same work... with fixed size instruction you can start decoding right away. With variable size decoding during 1 cycle you need to figure out the size of the THREE next instruction + do the decoding as on a risc design. And this is what is amazing to me... >> >How much cheaper/faster would that CPU be if it could be fed >> >the RISC code directly? >> >> Humm, the code size would probably double, so you need to spend >> $ on bigger cache and faster memory. > >You have this backwards - this is why RISC's have been proven cheaper >to design and implement, and outperform CISC overall, and much more >dramatic results when you look at performance/gate or >performance/watt, etc.... > So risc need smaller & cheaper cache?!?!?!? I think you read what I'm writting backward... >> >Show me a CISC chip and I will show you a faster/cheaper RISC >> >chip. >> >This don't make CISC bad, just not better. >> >> My view is, cisc better exploit the resource at hand... risc are >alot >> faster/cheaper to design and improve giving them the edge. >> Even so, like some mentioned, at one time, the Pentiumpro was >> THE fastest CPU on earth for integer work :) > >Sure... CISC chips CAN be faster - but they can't keep up, and cost >more to design, etc.... as for better resources at hand the CISC have >yet to prove that - to get the performance on CISC (like PPro) you >have to have alignment issues, etc. that make it look more like a RISC >than a CISC anyways - and you get code creep the same as RISC. So >wheres the advantage? > PPrO is a VERY bad cisc example... its a cisc (variable instruction size, etc..) but only work well with risc like instruction. And the x86 instruction set is an horrible instruction set. Your whole argument is based on a PPRO vs PPC for CISC vs RISC. The advantage of cisc is in the end you get more computing done per byte. >> >In the end it really doesn't matter. Most code is written in >> >a high level languge and can compile anywhere. Code that is >> >written against a particular CPU will be shortlived >> >> Yes, but it will live long enought to make sense to do it. (I mean >> hand written specific CPU code) > >Now days people are learning - NO! (Or only very selectively. First >you write in standard language and get it working. Then you profile >and tune certain areas. Giving you portability FIRST - then >performance enhancements second). > All the people I know that write aplication have hand coded version of the critical C/C++ code... If you dont care about performance in the first place this is not even an issue, so I did beleive you where talking about hi performance aplication. I agree is best to first write the program, then profile it then optimize it :) doing it in the reverse order is very rare > >> >Advice: Write it in a high level language and re-compile as needed. >> >> My advice... Write in the language that fit the best, and hand >optimize >> assembly version of the critical part (If any). Most compiler today >can >> produce code as much as 4 time slower as human rewritten code. > >Humans can tune code... but the way most people are doing it is >writing high-level and getting it working (and portable) FIRST. Then Yes, and? (aren't repeating myself ?) >profiling and tuning as necessary... it turns out that in the past >humans weren't always that good at guessing which parts of the code >were the bottlenecks and so wasted time optimizing the wrong areas - >and not creating portability first. Creating portability? Aren't people creating first a working model of the aplication then fixing the speed issue? When I was writting asm on the amiga I first get the thing working, then I would optimize it. And I usually dont waist time optimizing the wrong algo, something that people still to today. Stephan
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: TANGENT, was Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:46:52 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QmsIHAq00iWl078YM0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <32e10f23.0@cisun2000.unil.ch> <5br8m6$c9l@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> In-Reply-To: <5br8m6$c9l@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> [ This is related to physics and not to NS. ] Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 18-Jan-97 Re: Next's Recycle before W.. by Jon Haveman@mgmt.purdue. >> Sure did.... Also it had the [X] close box, and a few other bits of the >> look and feel of Win '95 in NEXTSTEP '89... Although, I think until >> NEXTSTEP 3.0 the Recycler had been a blackhole which was kind of cool. > > Yeah, I admit, it was pretty cool, but the implication was wrong. A > black hole is something from which nothing ever emerges, right? That was what the classical (Newtonian/Einsteinian) model said, yes. However, once we understood quantum physics, it turns out that black holes emit radiation with an effective temperature that increases rapidly as the mass of the black hole decreases. This emitted radiation reduces the mass of the black hole. For black holes with the mass of the Sun, the temperature is well below the ambient background radiation of 3 Kelvin, which means such black holes are effectively eternal, since they suck in more radiation then they emit. Small black holes can release a large amount of radiation, and have the potential in theory to be a new form of power generator. There was an informal paper entitled "Black holes are fuzzy, but they have no hair" IIRC which provided a more thorough description of Hawking (ie, with spin) and Kerr-Newman (ie, with spin and electrical charge) black holes, the lifespans of black holes of various masses, and the amount of energy radiated. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Eric Levenez <levenez@club-internet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: 18 Jan 1997 22:31:27 GMT Organization: Grolier Interactive Europe Message-ID: <5brivv$h9k@news.grolier.fr> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) wrote: >I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? Everything came before Win95. M$ is only copying other compagnies. The world was not created on august 1995 ! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Éric Lévénez "Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas" mailto:levenez@club-internet.fr Publius Vergilius Maro, (NeXTMail, MIME) Georgica, II-489 --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TANGENT, was Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: 18 Jan 1997 22:39:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970118223900.RAA24511@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <QmsIHAq00iWl078YM0@andrew.cmu.edu> >However, once we understood quantum physics, it turns out that black >holes emit radiation with an effective temperature that increases >rapidly as the mass of the black hole decreases. This emitted radiation >reduces the mass of the black hole. Actually the amount of Hawking radiation radiated from a black hole is inversly proportional to the *size* of the black hole and not it's mass. Scott Johnson
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:28:30 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e14540.11376132@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <carol1-1801971152140001@17.219.103.153> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by >> computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you >> mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > >I belive that the Saturn chip developed by HP is a 4 bit CPU with >a 4 bit ALU. > >The model exposed to the RPN programmer may be 64 bits, but >the internal hardware is only 4 bits at a time. I've seen >assembly code for this littel machine and it's rather tedious. > >Power consumption is a real issue. Why do in 64 parallel bits >what can be cycled through 4 bits with lots less power? > The Saturn has a real 64-bit ALU while the internal/external data path is 4-bits. No doubt, the assembly code you've seen involves moving 4-bit "fields" in/out of the ALU. Many people consider assembly code tedious whatever the processor. Certainly, floating point operations with an integer ALU can be less than fun! The 64-bit ALU makes perfect sense when you consider that the CPU was specifically designed for floating point operations. As such, the ALU can hold the entire binary representation of a floating point number (mantissa and exponent). RPN programmers are generally unaware of CPU bit size because RPN deals with named variables that may contain one or more of a large variety of objects with floating point numbers being just one in the list. All of the Saturn CPU registers are static CMOS so I've missed your point concerning power consumption. BTW, with the 48GX, I can have the answers to some really heavy math problems before most PCs get the mouse cursor on the screen :). A lot cheaper to buy and run too not to mention that it fits in a coat pocket.
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 17:11:06 -0600 From: Joe Burke <netpro@teleport.com> Subject: Re: Where are the ftp software archives? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <853628834.15025@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <01bc041a$2c914530$3374e3a5@delphi> In article <01bc041a$2c914530$3374e3a5@delphi>, "Eric Brown" <ebrown@pointcast.com> wrote: > > Where can I get new and old NextStep freeware and shareware? > > Thanks, > Eric Please see the information in the sigfile below... lots of resources there :) including many searchable shareware archives -- * Joe Burke <netpro@teleport.com> * * R.E.S.O.U.R.C.E.S !!! http://www.teleport.com/~netpro/ * * See our listing of some 150 SHAREWARE LIBRARIES and games sites, * * 100's of SEARCH ENGINES and searchable databases, 40+ IRC NETS and * * extensive WEB DESIGN, HTML and WINDOWS 95 & 3.x resources. * -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TANGENT, was Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:14:16 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cmsKRM600iWRI6Wu9b@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <QmsIHAq00iWl078YM0@andrew.cmu.edu> <19970118223900.RAA24511@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19970118223900.RAA24511@ladder01.news.aol.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 18-Jan-97 Re: TANGENT, was Re: Next's.. by Rsjoh@aol.com >> However, once we understood quantum physics, it turns out that black >> holes emit radiation with an effective temperature that increases >> rapidly as the mass of the black hole decreases. This emitted radiation >> reduces the mass of the black hole. > > Actually the amount of Hawking radiation radiated from a black hole is > inversly proportional to the *size* of the black hole and not it's mass. What size? Black holes don't really have a meaningful 'size', at least in this universe. My understanding is that the only physical properties which are needed to completely describe a black hole are it's location, mass, electrical charge, and spin. There is a length measurement associated with black holes, which is the Schwartzchild radius. But that is not the size of the mass which comprises the black hole, since that mass has been squeezed to a point, at least as far as the outside universe is concerned. Furthermore, there is a direct relationship between the mass of the black hole and Schwartzchild radius. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:45:42 -0800 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970118152847.4306A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bdapi$39p@portal.gmu.edu> <5bp3rk$nj1@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5bp3rk$nj1@news.platinum.com> On 18 Jan 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > I was pretty stunned when I saw this tidbit about NT, too. I was hoping > someone else would gripe about it, so I didn't have to. Thanks. No network? > Really guys... if it was anybody other than MicroSoft they would have been > laughed out of the evaluation. For those of you running NT, there's a "C2 Configuration Utility" that ships with the NT Resource Kit. It gives a whole list of all the options that need to be configured to meet the criteria under which NT qualified -- you can check off which you want to enable (in other words, you might want to become "more secure" without necessarily worrying about meeting the letter of the certification criteria). Anyway, it's worth checking out, and very instructional. What's interesting to note is that I've heard many program/product managers at MS claim that IIS is a "C2 Secure Web Server" or that Exchange "meets C2 requirements". None of them has been able to tell me how either IIS or Exchange is even remotely useful without a network... > On most UNIX platforms, including NeXTSTEP, C2 level security can be achieved > (with or without help from the vendor) by configuration. I've never heard of > disabling the network or floppy as part of that configuration, though dial-up > connections (into the C2 machine) are often prohibited. It may be that to be > certified, the vendor must supply some documentation as to how that > configuration is done, etc. I believe that NEXTSTEP needs better logging capability on individual files, etc. Also, ACLs would help (though offhand I don't remember if they're required). Haven't actually read the Orange Book requirements in a long while (thanks for the URL, Gary). -Dayne Miller dayne@wolfenet.com daynem@excell.com
From: bstone@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Followup-To: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Date: 19 Jan 1997 02:08:43 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5brvnb$fgg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> <5brivv$h9k@news.grolier.fr> jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) wrote: > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before > Win95 came out? I was actually pretty amused at the Win95 icon. After all, it's a trash can with a recycle icon on it ... blatantly demonstrating that they fully intend to use good ideas from other environments when they see them. Good for them. It really does benefit the user in the long run! If car manufacturers sued each other over the control arrangements in automobiles you'd have to learn to drive each make from scratch. It also seems like a deliberate nose-thumbing in Apple's direction. Wasn't the trash can one of the contentious issues behind the Win 2.0 / New Wave look and feel lawsuit? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blake W. Stone bstone@dkw.com Technical Director - DKW Systems "Art may imitate life, but life http://www.dkw.com/bstone imitates TV" - Ani Difranco
From: alana@crl.com (Alana Jordan) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 15:44:01 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Message-ID: <5b85vq$mm9@nexp.crl.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <32d57afb.1060931@news.yorkonline.net> I am interested in PURCHASING Adobe Acrobat 3.0. Does anyone know where I can get the best price? What are the system requirements? Please send info via email. Alana alana@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~alana/ tmtjoy@yc.ne.edu (Todd Mountjoy) wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:06:32 GMT, carloskessel@montreal.com.br (Carlos >Kessel) wrote: >>Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: >>That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a >>downloadable PDF file in a site would be: >>- Maintaining the original design >>- Including all images >>- Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. >I really like it simply because I can "Print" a web page with the PDF >driver at web sites I like and then read it later "OFF LINE" as a >portable document with all the images. >The version I just purchased also works wonderful with all of my >Windows applications and all I do is select the printer as a PDF file >and Wham Bam I have a portable document, whether that be a MS-Word >document, an Excel workbook or just about anything I could normally >print. >Acrobat is by far a superior product than the Envoy portable document >system I got when I bought Wordperfect Pro Suite. Anyway, I think that >more people have the Acrobat Reader installed and configured for their >browsers than Envoy. (Something else, Envoy couldn't handle frames >with pictures in MS-Word like Acrobat does... What you see is what you >get with Acrobat) >I got Acrobat 3.0 for $99 from MicroWarehouse by simply photocopying >my first disk. I think this offer goes through February, and $99 sure >beats $300. >Todd Mountjoy >Library Directory >York College >York NE 68467
From: SoundChaser <soundchaser@velodrome.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:27:35 -0800 Organization: hmmm Message-ID: <32E1A2B7.385D@velodrome.com> References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Tidswell wrote: > > [ Note Cross posts ] > > Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, > NeXT is using. > Ive also seen reference to BSD4.4, presumably in reference to un*x tools > for OpenStep environment. > > Can anybody point me to references of what is (or is about to be) in use ? > > TIA > - JonT <jont@mpce.mq.edu.au> I believe it started life as Mach 2.0/2.1 and they added bits of 2.5 as they saw fit.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <475852914532@digifix.com> Date: 19 Jan 1997 04:57:55 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <413853649874@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.App previews multiple pages atop one Date: 11 Jan 1997 15:20:00 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5b8b30$er1@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5b7fcc$mib@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Cc: lones@lones.mit.edu In <5b7fcc$mib@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Lones A Smith wrote: > It is tax time. I need publication p551 in the IRS archive, but when I download > it in postscript form, all 30 or so pages are previewed atop one another. > My secretary can print it ok, so what is going on here? This hapens > randomly for about 1/3 of the IRS postscript files I have downloaded. > Try my BeYap application for preview. It will handle such problem files just fine. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.rendering.renderman,comp.sys.next.software Subject: App for SpaceJam? Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:17:44 +0000 Organization: Instructional Technology Services-Illinois State University Message-ID: <32E1761C.7000@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone remember what that app was called that created 3D in SpaceJam on NEXTSTEP, and the URL? Thanks, please email. -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: TANGENT, was Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Followup-To: sci.physics.relativity Date: 19 Jan 1997 02:05:55 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5bsh4j$9n0@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <QmsIHAq00iWl078YM0@andrew.cmu.edu> <19970118223900.RAA24511@ladder01.news.aol.com> In article <19970118223900.RAA24511@ladder01.news.aol.com>, rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) wrote: > >However, once we understood quantum physics, it turns out that black > >holes emit radiation with an effective temperature that increases > >rapidly as the mass of the black hole decreases. This emitted radiation > >reduces the mass of the black hole. > Actually the amount of Hawking radiation radiated from a black hole is > inversly proportional to the *size* of the black hole and not it's mass. Getting _entirely_ off topic here, but.. note that the radius of a black hole is directly proportional to its mass, thus the temperature of a black hole is inversely proportional to its mass OR radius. (I'm assuming you meant "radius" when you said "size", rather than "area".. but "area" would be incorrect.) The power radiated is proportional to the fourth power of the temperature, and thus inversely proportional to the fourth power of the mass or radius. Followups to sci.physics.relativity! -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: jbf_see_signature@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTAppleTalk Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:10:44 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf_see_signature-ya023580001901970210440001@news.tiac.net> References: <5bpjn4$3oc@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bpjn4$3oc@ttacs7.ttu.edu>, alan@osci.me.ttu.edu wrote: > Hello, many months to maybe year ago, somebody posted how to get the > Appletalk package from NS 3.0 working on 3.1-3.3 Black hardware. I can't > find the info so I am hoping to get it from one of you folks. Please send > the response to me and one to the group for good measure. Thanks!!! I posted it for one. Get a 3.0 release. Use the 3.0 Installer to make a list of the components. Back up anything that might be replaced and install it. Check if everything in the package was really installed. (I don't remember if there was a problem here. There IS with later installers.) Reboot. Enable Appletalk in the Preferences panel. Reboot. As I've said before, it isn't a satisfactory implementation. Wait for CAP. Barney Barney (delete that _seesig to email)
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: ClarisWorks 4.0/Internet Date: 10 Jan 97 17:17:20 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AEFC2A24-1D5889@207.147.50.154> References: <8CF9266.09B800003E.uuout@moondog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-001D579B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-001D579B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who cares? Where is 5.0? You remember, it's supposed to be and OpenDoc Container. 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From: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Librarian replacement Date: 11 Jan 1997 19:10:41 GMT Organization: SPC Message-ID: <5b8ojh$2ak$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> References: <5b5j42$bh7@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <5b699p$req$3@inet-prime.comshare.com> <5b70n3$6f6@news.xmission.com> In-Reply-To: <5b70n3$6f6@news.xmission.com> Don (IXKit authority 8^), speaking of Digital Librarian, I must say I don't fully understand its inner working, and hence probably misuse it. When searching "In Contents" and "Word", does it read the indexed files or *only* the built index? Common sense suggests the latter but some observations puzzle me: - when searching, gray file names cycle over the searched field. - in a 200 dummy files target, all hits are found 'instantaneously', but name cycling lasts more than four seconds. - if I delete the files (but not the .index.store) hits are still rapidly found and the file name display ceases. - with NeXT indexed targets, file name display occurs only with "Literal" searches. Please, someone enlightens me! -- Raymond Lutz, lutzray@9bit.qc.ca "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: 19 Jan 1997 07:12:25 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5bshgp$8kt@hpax.cup.hp.com> References: <32e10f23.0@cisun2000.unil.ch> <5br8m6$c9l@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> In article <5br8m6$c9l@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Jon Haveman <jon@mgmt.purdue.edu> wrote: > writes >> jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) wrote: >> > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came >> >out? NeXT sure had the recycle bin prior to W95. So, now I guess millions of people will think MS thought of it first... >Yeah, I admit, it was pretty cool, but the implication was wrong. A >black hole is something from which nothing ever emerges, right? I guess NeXT's black hole was special. I still love the way it animated when items are dragged over it. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@NO.SPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: run x-netscape over the net using Xnext Date: 20 Jan 1997 16:35:32 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5c06sk$i0v@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5bj3oa$fd0@sun168.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) wrote: >i installed Xnext on my system but failed to figure out how to display >x-applications (as netscape) running on a aix-server-machine. Xnext is very nice application. I have yet to find out how well it runs on Intel platforms. What you have to do is - allow other platforms to display a window remotely - log on the other platform, set the display, and start the application. To do the former, type "xhost +" in a terminal window. Due to some bug in the X11 server, this will not work as the first X windows command to run on that server. My solution was to start xconsole first, and then run "xhost +", or "xhost +<machinename>". As for the latter, simply type "setenv DISPLAY <nextmachine>:0" (in case you use csh). This should work. Feel free to send me personal mail (beware of the spam-trap modified headers). All the best, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenWrite.app and spell checking Date: 20 Jan 1997 16:59:39 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison Message-ID: <5c089r$325i@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5bhvnj$5jh@brockman.serv.net> Cc: thrall@serv.net In <5bhvnj$5jh@brockman.serv.net> Dean Johnson wrote: > > I just started using OpenWrite for my word processing needs and for > some reason it does not spell check. All this time I thought that I > just spelled exceptionally well when I noticed glaring errors on my > resume, of all places :(. > > The app just gives the familiar beep like it has completed checking > the document, but it in fact did nothing. Has anyone else noticed this > or have any ideas why it would not check my document? > Hi, This is a bug in Openwrite if you are running it with OpenStep/mach 4.x. It is a real pain (aside from one or two other "little" bugs I've encountered), and I have mostly stopped using OpenWrite and started using CedarWord. Lighthouse knows about this bug, but I don't know if they've done anything about it. You might send mail to openwrite@lighthouse.com and request that they fix it. I think they're probably ignoring me at this point because I was pretty upset at them over another bug I encountered with OpenWrite, and I made that clear to them. Make sure you've downloaded the most recent OpenWrite release from one of the FTP sites so you don't encounter the bug I did. The bug erases your home directory when renaming a chapter in a book. To my knowledge, that is the only bug they've fixed in the most recent release. Does anyone else wonder what's up with Lighthouse and why they haven't made any public statements regarding the future of their software in light of the Apple/NeXT merge? I find it bizarre. Maybe they're negotiating with someone who wants to buy it from them and thus are staying quiet . . . > I did notice that it does spell check inside the Help facility of > OpenWrite, but not my documents. Anyway, tips appreciated to > thrall@serv.net > > Thanks, > > dean > -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://www.barbarian.com
From: Jeff_Sickel@BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeff Sickel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Preview.App previews multiple pages atop one Date: 13 Jan 1997 17:02:05 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <5bdpqd$lt2@BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <5b7fcc$mib@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) wrote: >It is tax time. I need publication p551 in the IRS archive, but when I download >it in postscript form, all 30 or so pages are previewed atop one another. >My secretary can print it ok, so what is going on here? This happens >randomly for about 1/3 of the IRS postscript files I have downloaded. > It turns out that besides the wonderful DOS based .exe PKZip archive that the govies tend to like these days for their Postscript files, some of them are generated specifically for duplex printing (from a Windows print driver). Basically, some of the files only have a %%Pages 1 defined. Makes it a little rough for the rest of us. I've been getting the PDF files instead and have had relatively good success with them. Sometimes they have come down corrupted though, and I can't figure out if it's always the link or not... jas
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 17:55:51 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Message-ID: <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Cc: n9549957@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb Lincoln wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance... (...) > CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI > and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. Yes! It was done by NeXT... -- mc
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:05:21 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Message-ID: <E47u8x.2vv@micmac.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.OSF.3.95.970113124432.7590F-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu> Cc: kjaeros@u.washington.edu In <Pine.OSF.3.95.970113124432.7590F-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu> Ray Stricklin wrote: > To repeat: There is no reason the two could not be successfully--- > and usefully---combined. > Especially since the two were created under the supervision of Steve Jobs! -- mc
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:47:45 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E49A7L.J3@micmac.com> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Cc: jones.948@osu.edu In <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Steve Jones wrote: > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? > Sure! Since 1990... What do you imply? That NeXT could have urged to copy this feature from M$?!!!?!??! =:0000000 -- mc
From: jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:14:19 -0500 Organization: none Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jones.948-ya02408000R2001971814190001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> <E49A7L.J3@micmac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <E49A7L.J3@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > In > <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> > Steve Jones wrote: > > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 > came out? > > > > Sure! Since 1990... What do you imply? That NeXT could have urged to > copy this feature from M$?!!!?!??! =:0000000 > Actually the other way around; I was thinking (since next is quite a bit older than win95) that ms copied it from them. Apparently this is the case. Steve
From: lark@odyssey.cognex.com (Lar Kaufman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 20 Jan 1997 16:27:21 -0500 Organization: Cognex Corporation Message-ID: <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> In article <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com>, Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: >In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb Lincoln >wrote: >> CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI >> and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. > >Yes! It was done by NeXT... I'd credit that feature to MIT--as a general feature of the X Window System--if you are talking about thriving solutions. Otherwise I'd have to say that probably the very first was Richard Stallman's command interface solutions for LISP. -lar -- - Running Linux 2ed, by Matt Welsh & Lar Kaufman: O'Reilly & Assoc. 1996 -
From: tetsu@alcatraz.net (Andre Tsurukame) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Daydream -- MacOs emulator questions Date: 20 Jan 1997 23:39:28 GMT Organization: VE Information system, Inc. Message-ID: <5c0vng$co4@uruguay.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I am currently running Daydream 2.11 by Quix on our NextStation computers here and I have a couple of questions if anyone can help me out. 1. Can daydream run the lastest version of system 7.5? 2. We are currently have 7.5.3 installed on our Nextstation using Daydream and we are encountering some graphic/display glitches. For example when running Netscape 2.02, some of the inline images, such Netscape Homepage Logo, comes out looking skewed looking very psychedelic with green and blue splotches. We installed the daydream 1.43 color patch, but this did not help. 3. What is the most current release of daydream. If 2.11 is the most current, are there any plans by Quix to put out any newer versions? Thanks for anyone help you can give me. - Andre
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 21 Jan 1997 04:17:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970121041700.XAA24463@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 17:55:51 GMT Message-ID: <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb Lincoln wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance... (...) > CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI > and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. >Yes! It was done by NeXT... No, it was done by Apple, with their Commando program that was a part of A/UX. Commando presented you with a dialog box with radio buttons, drop down menus, etc. with the various options/switchs for Unix commands. Thus you didn't have to memorize all the obscure switchs for all the commands. Scott Johnson
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:02:49 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4BJGq.8As@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> In article <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) writes: > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? By about six years! NeXTStep has evolved, but its basically unchanged from its original version. The recycler replaced a black hole icon, in the move from version 1.0 to version 2.0. On a NeXT Cube was the first place I EVER saw the recycler icon. $an
From: Mark_Bessey@next.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Chess.app in Openstep 4.1 corrupted? Date: 14 Jan 1997 03:18:40 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5betug$adq@news.next.com> References: <Pine.NXT.3.95.970113203420.5032A-100000@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@jura.uni-bonn.de> writes > > Does anybody encounter graphical errors in the 2d display of the > Chess.app of OpenStep 4.1, too? > > Regards > Konstantin Wiesel > Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de > Yep. I wonder how that happened? It worked fine in 3.3 (really!) At least it's still playable. I'm sure that Apple will give this bug the priority it deserves :-) Thanks, -Mark -- Mark Bessey NeXT Software, Inc Software Quality Assurance -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <--
From: "Andrew S. Foltz" <af19921@conrad.appstate.edu> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:52:02 EST Organization: Appalachian State University Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970111145001.631308429B-100000@conrad.appstate.edu> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> PDF is great for things like tax forms or membership forms, because it provides a very small files in many cases, and high quality printing while preserving the layout and fonts. On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Carlos Kessel wrote: > Arnold Shore <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: > > >Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? > ... > >Arnold Shore > >Annapolis, MD > > That's my feeling too. But I think the points of including a > downloadable PDF file in a site would be: > - Maintaining the original design > - Including all images > - Avoiding the wages of the WebMaster. > > However, I'm still curious about all this Acrobat hoopla. I know some > big fans of PDF. > > .................................. > Carlos Kessel > Rio de Janeiro, Brasil > > >
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 21 Jan 1997 05:16:46 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <5c1jfu$5dc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <19970121041700.XAA24463@ladder01.news.aol.com> rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) writes: > No, it was done by Apple, with their Commando program that was > a part of A/UX. Commando presented you with a dialog box with > radio buttons, drop down menus, etc. with the various options/switchs > for Unix commands. Thus you didn't have to memorize all the > obscure switchs for all the commands. Yes, that is pretty nice. Wasn't it in MPW (under MacOS) first? Maybe not, it's quite likely that I was paying attention to MPW before I did much of anything with A/UX. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:34:45 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5beda5$es2@news.platinum.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Cc: n9549957@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb Lincoln wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance... > BUT... > When Apple Ex's talk about "hiding the remaining Uixness", what does this > mean? They mean that they want to make certain that it is not *required* for an ordinary user to use the CLI to use or maintain their personal system. They do not mean that the CLI will be removed. > Do they refer to the CLI as many on the net seem to believe? > If so, I as a mac user, see this as a crying shame...really...no bullshit. Yes, it would be a serious blunder, and would damage their chances of taking market share from WindowsNT/95. > It seems to me that the CLI would offer the power user and the > technogeeks out there the flexibility to "get at the innards" which DOS > bigots have promoted for so long. I can't help but notice however that > even on the WIntel world, most users NEVER dump the GUI infavor of DOS > CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe there must be a way to integrate GUI > and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. There is. NeXT has done it. You are able to use the CLI via a terminal window, if you so desire. It is not required of the normal users. > To get back to my original question, what other "Unixness" could they be > referring to? CLI I could handle, something else? I doubt very much that Apple Exec's really have a concrete notion of what they mean when they say this -- because it's marketing-speak, not technical talk. They are really just trying to calm the hoards of Mac users who panic when they hear UNIX, because all they remember is the VT-100 that they saw once in college. Once Rhapsody ships, everything will be fine. (It's gonna be the longest six months of our lives.) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| "The meek shall longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= inherit nothin'." (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U - Frank Zappa
From: longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:46:00 GMT Organization: PLATINUM technology, inc. (though i speak for myself only) Message-ID: <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Cc: jburton@nwu.edu This is what happens when you rely *too* much on a built-in spell checker... Let it be a lesson to you all. 8^) Naturally, I meant to type: rogue... In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > > DHCP is very important if you want to play in Windows shops. Might > > be your only way to get an IP address for your rouge Rhapsody box... > > Therefore it's important. > > They're going to make them in _rouge_? Oh, gross! I thought beige > was bad enough.... > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't it? I want black, too. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| "The meek shall longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= inherit nothin'." (612) 688-3033 x7814 & MIME) |. U - Frank Zappa
From: Morphamania <mm@ois.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: AppleTalk printing on 3.3 Intel NeXT Step. Date: 13 Jan 1997 08:02:37 GMT Organization: Morphamania Internet Publishing Distribution: world Message-ID: <5bcq6t$gvm$1@brumby.cowan.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All! I need the AppleTalk package that the NeXT homepage outlines so i can use my ethernet network to t ppd's for the printer(s) but it e the Appletalk package doesn't ship with 3.3. Any ideas where I can get it or any workarounds???? Thanks. Steve. sdoyle@ois.com.au
From: lstowell@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: 13 Jan 1997 12:43:38 -0800 Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation Message-ID: <5be6pq$9q0@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <5b62ai$q63@masters0.InterNex.Net> <32d95f11.42670641@news.aye.net> In article <32d95f11.42670641@news.aye.net>, Mike <mike@aye.net> wrote: >Just use the Edit Find function of your browser for simple searches. I have a PDF file of a book that is over 3 inches thick. Care to try your advice on it? I'll even make it easy and note that the book is on CD-ROM....along with about 40 other books. If I use Acrobat Reader 3, I can get anywhere I need to in that book instantly.
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OmniWeb 2.5beta: 777 bug? Date: 14 Jan 1997 14:08:54 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> I've found that using OW2.5 (and maybe others before?) permissions on the download directory are set to 777; this may not be convenient for some people! Something to watch out for if you're concerned about security. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS Installation FAQ? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:02:23 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <32DB4B9F.2E80@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a NeXTSTEP installation FAQ for Black hardware? Thanks, Jason
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP: NS Install on New HD? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:59:59 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <32DB4B0F.6839@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXTstation mono with a 100MB internal hard drive that I would like to replace with a 1GB Seagate ST31230N. The new SCSI hard drive mounts fine but I do not know how to install NeXTSTEP onto it. I have NS 3.0 on cdrom and I have a NEC 6x SCSI cdrom connected to the NeXTstation and it works with the 100MB drive with NS loaded. When I boot with the new hard drive I get to a ROM monitor and I type b to boot. It examines the SCSI devices and then tries to load off of the cdrom and then craps out. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, [ ... ] Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:41:13 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <gmtBK9u00iWl01r=w0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> <19970121041700.XAA24463@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19970121041700.XAA24463@ladder01.news.aol.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 21-Jan-97 Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspod.. by Rsjoh@aol.com >>> CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI >>> and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. >> >> Yes! It was done by NeXT... > > No, it was done by Apple, with their Commando program that was a part of > A/UX. Commando presented you with a dialog box with radio buttons, drop > down menus, etc. with the various options/switchs for Unix commands. Thus > you didn't have to memorize all the obscure switchs for all the commands. It was a neat idea in theory. In practice, AU/X was Apple's attempt at writing a bad Unix implementation. Even Microsoft did a better job of creating a Unix-like operating system in the form of Windows NT. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Jelske.Kloppenburg@gmd.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Showstopper bug in Quantrix? Date: 14 Jan 1997 09:37:20 GMT Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany Message-ID: <5bfk4g$v8j@omega.gmd.de> References: <E3GJyH.216@flop.schwaben.de> <5akpdk$2r4@news.istar.ca> <5ala8f$fke@news3.digex.net> In-Reply-To: <5ala8f$fke@news3.digex.net> On 01/04/97, John Kheit wrote: >jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul C. Samson) wrote: >> On 01/03/97, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: >> >Does anybody else get the above error? If so, is there a fix? > >> Yup, I have Quantrix for NeXT hardware and pressing the charting >> button always crashes the application. I don't know if there is >> a fix. It is a very obvious bug and it baffles me that the error >> exists. There seem to be crippling bugs in many of Lighthouse's >> products. Recently there have been numerous complaints concerning >> OpenWrite deleting the contents of user's home directories. I >> also have troubles with Concurrence saving corrupt files. > >There is a fix for it on the FAQ in their web site. You have to >just delete some file in the wrapper, but I forget which off hand... > >Their site has the answer though... I have a better answer! In the wrapper find English.lproj/Charts/3D and rename '3D' to a longer name - '3DD' works but if you have a better name ... -- Jelske Kloppenburg, +49 2241 14-2433, <Jelske.Kloppenburg@gmd.de> GMD - German National Research Center for Information Technology "Don't kill the Winners!" Dennis Tsichritzis
From: Jaime.Pinto@ip.pt (Jaime Lares Rebelo Pinto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:44:57 -0100 Organization: (Utilizador da IP) Message-ID: <19970121084457374235@pm-lx-2-10.net.ip.pt> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> Sam.Chow <Sam.Chow@prodigy.net> wrote: [...] > > So what I am suggesting to the NeXT/Mac community and specifically to > Apple if anyone from Apple is reading this is, Release 2 version of > the next MacOS. For example, I am sure that Apple would love to enter > the Server/Enterprise market. With Openstep that is geared towards this > market, I say release Rhaspody that is based majority with the feel > and feature of NeXT. The possible users for Rhaspody, developers, > system administrators and engineers, power-users. At the same time > release a less-powerful system without the bells or whistles like > system setup (like in win95, it has that capability but you can choose > not to have it), CLI.... But this less-powerful system would be more > compatible with System 7 applications as well as having a more fimiliar > mac feel GUI. Release these 2 os'es to the market by the end of the > year. > > From here either a final version of the MacOS would be released by > next year's end that is to be determine from the market response of the > 2 os'es or Apple could still continue to use 2 os'es that are fully > compatible with each other but each os geared towards a specialized > user. > > > > > Later, > > Samuel Chow > > No signature. Just > #include <std_disclaimer.h> I hope that with the UNIX power, and with something well designed on top of it, there'll be no need for 2 OSs, wich would create more problems for Apple and users. Look and feel should be configurable in ways that will please different people, including MacOS users like me, and Next users. Configuration and the set of extra software, to give with each computer, must be the way to differenciate options . Probably, there could be a point in releasing a version wich would require less resources, but that would probably break the power of the OS, and give way to lots of incompatibilities and problems, so I think that it's wise to continue the development of System 7 instead. I believe that things like shells and compatibility are fundamental, so there there shouldn't be limited implementations or distributions of them. I hope Apple doesn't use artificial limitations also, like MS did. I hope they don't use early market response to decide how the system should be, because then the market response wouldn't be representative of all potential users, the developers and early adopters would be overly represented. Cheers, Jaime.
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OmniWeb 2.5beta: 777 bug? Date: 14 Jan 1997 15:47:31 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5bg9qj$fm7@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5bg41m$ckb@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > I've found that using OW2.5 (and maybe others before?) permissions on the > download directory are set to 777; this may not be convenient for some > people! Something to watch out for if you're concerned about security. That's not the permissions of MY downlaod directory (/tmp/username) using OmniWeb. My download directory is readable only be me. The scratch directory (/tmp/OmniWeb), is 777 but OmniWeb places individual directories inside that for each instance/user. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Control: cancel <01bc06df$49c12680$0d08bacc@SpRogers.SHRMED.COM> Newsgroups: ak.forsale,austin.forsale,ba.misc.forsale,ca.forsale.misc,can.atlantic.forsale,can.forsale,chi.forsale,chico.forsale,cle.forsale,cmh.forsale,comp.forsale,comp.misc.forsale,comp.sys.ibm.pc.software,comp.sys.next.software,dc.forsale.computers From: "Spencer Rogers" <spencer@ptd.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bc06df$49c12680$0d08bacc@SpRogers.SHRMED.COM> Sender: "Spencer Rogers" <spencer@ptd.net> Organization: Spam-me-not! Message-ID: <cancel.01bc06df$49c12680$0d08bacc@SpRogers.SHRMED.COM> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:22:18 GMT Original subject line: FS: Misc CD-ROM titles! This post was canceled in dc.forsale.* for one or more of the following: 1. It was obnoxious commercial spamming. 2. It was outragiously off-topic. 3. It was a non-local post to a local newsgroup. 4. It was crossposted to numerous and far-flung local newsgroups. 5. It was my post and I felt like it. :-) Direct flames or praise to: cwilkins@boink.clark.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: Mail header Message-ID: <E447I1.4MJ@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Sender: nobody@gateway.ali.bc.ca Cc: rob@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU Organization: A.L.I. Technologies, Inc. Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:01:13 GMT References: <Pine.NXT.3.92.970115144705.1106A-100000@rjacobs.Stanford.EDU> In comp.sys.next.software "Robert G. Jacobs" wrote: > I would like all email I send from my machine to have a From header > that sends mail back to a different machine of mine. If I add a From > header in Preferences->Expert, then all MIME mail I send has the new From > header. However, all Nextmail and 'Plain text' simply adds on an extra > From header that other mail programs apparently ignore. > > How can I get Nextmail and plain text to use only my new From header? > Or is there another way to accomplish this? I'm not sure from your description if this is exactly what you want, but you might be interested in using the Reply-to header instead. This will cause any replies sendtto your messages to be sent to the alternate e-mail address rather than the one in the From header. -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "Trespassers will be." -- Buddhist warning sign
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Retraining for Rhapsody with WatchMe.app Date: 14 Jan 1997 23:50:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970114234800.SAA13015@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5be02m$h62@news.xmission.com> This is already available in System 7.5.x, it's called Apple Guide and it does everything listed for WatchMe.app. Scott Johnson
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 14 Jan 1997 23:58:51 GMT Organization: ace dot net internet technologies Message-ID: <5bh6jr$fvn@darla.visi.com> References: <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> <5bh3k1$q1r@shelob.afs.com> Gregory H. Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) wrote: : Kevin Pompei writes : > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use today's : > OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, today's : > NEXTSTEP applications are really the first Rhapsody applications. : Yeah. Isn't that GREAT?! Yep. :) -- # david young: oo developer, think new ideas east/onramp # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com (MIME ok, NeXTmail better)
From: h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 21 Jan 1997 19:53:49 GMT Organization: University of Economics and Business Administration, Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP PA RISC? All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather weak. All other programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as I know. Guenther
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 21 Jan 1997 20:26:37 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <5c38pt$t3v@shelob.afs.com> References: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> Guenther Bauer writes > What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP PA RISC? > All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather weak. All other > programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as I know. PasteUp is quad-FAT. You can pull a demo copy from next.ftp.peak.org, then get a demo license by writing to <PasteUp@afs.com>. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "I wander'd off by myself, In the Crystal Ball/Star Gazer | mystical moist night-air, and from Anderson Financial Systems | time to time, Look'd up in perfect greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | silence at the stars." Walt Whitman
From: chafi@aol.com (Chafi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Immediate Nextstep Openings for Programmers... Date: 21 Jan 1997 20:45:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970121204500.PAA27097@ladder01.news.aol.com> Hello We are currently looking for programers (three positions available) with excellent Nextstep background for a major telecom corporation located in IOWA. Long term contract positions, Salary and benifits as per experience. Contact: Amar Vakil or Stan Menezes (312) 930 9000 Send resumes on (312) 930 0510 E-mail : apsi@ix.netcom.com 01/21/97
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Previewing MSWord Docs on OpenStep Message-ID: <5bgq4n$mom$1@jake.esu.edu> From: katz@cs.millersv.edu (Beth Katz) Date: 14 Jan 1997 20:25:59 GMT References: <jchan-ya023580001201971414540001@news.apk.net> Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania RE: Previewing MSWord Docs on OpenStep Jerome Chan (jchan@apk.net) wrote: > Are there any Apps or Objects(?) that will do the above? Well, AFS (WriteUp@afs.com) had WriteUp that used various filters to read and write MS Word and other types of foreign (non-NeXT) documents. However, I don't believe they are selling WriteUp currently. Their license for the filters expired. There used to be a demo available. Maybe if someone is no longer using their copy of WriteUp, they might sell it to you. Or perhaps they will start selling it again. Another approach is to get Executor. It is an emulator for a Mac. It can run MS Word 5.1. I've used that combination to write a chapter for a book (on HyperCard 2 which also runs under Executor with some minor shortcomings). You'll need to install Word on a Mac and copy it to NEXTSTEP. It takes five HD diskettes. (My copy is from a site license for my work at school.) Contact info@ardi.com. Both of these "solutions" work with NEXTSTEP 3.1 and up and perhaps earlier versions. They are not OPENSTEP-only or OPENSTEP-ready apps. At least not right now Sorry I can't be more helpful. I'm a happy long-time user and beta- tester for these apps. Beth Katz katz@cs.millersv.edu
From: gsupport@mttam.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OpenGraph/OpenStep Gamma Program Date: 21 Jan 1997 22:25:40 GMT Organization: VVI Data Control Specialists Message-ID: <5c3fp4$qfr@news3.digex.net> Originator: gsupport@ OpenGraph/OpenStep Gamma Program VVI Data Control Specialists (VVI-DCS) 311 Adams Ave. State College, PA 16803 Attn: OpenGraph Coordinator 814-234-9613 ; 888-DCS-OPEN gsupport@mttam.com State College, PA, 20 January 1997: VVI-DCS announced an expansion of its OpenGraph on OpenStep gamma program. If your business is interested in gamma testing OpenGraph please contact VVI-DCS at gsupport@mttam.com. "We've been working on the OpenGraph/OpenStep port for about a year now." said John Brilhart, Chief Technical Officer at VVI-DCS. "Our customers are reporting complex data sets from global real-time data feeds up to 500 events per second. That type of data reporting requires reliable and optimized report software. The gamma program is an important final part of our total quality control of the OpenGraph port." John adds, "The improvements and new features accompanying that port ensures our commanding lead in the high-end data reporting markets. With OpenStep and OpenGraph we provide compelling and unique solutions which have market advantages for our customers. For that reason we've always been fully committed to OpenStep on all platforms and have been working with NeXT and Sun for quite a while. We expect to apply the same level of commitment to the Apple version of OpenStep when it becomes available." About VVI-DCS: VVI-DCS, founded in 1989, builds custom OpenStep based data report and acquisition systems for the financial service, manufacturing, pharmaceutical and biotech industries and is the leading supplier of high-end data report software for the OpenStep market. About OpenGraph: OpenGraph is a framework of Objective-C and C++ objects for reporting data in graph and textual formats and consists of a graph building application and pre-built objects. OpenGraph accepts real-time feeds from any source and serves as a graphing front-end for real-time financial analysis, transaction, production and inventory analysis, database systems, and instrumentation. OpenGraph is fully object-oriented and is well suited to systems which require reliability, exacting specifications and performance. OpenGraph Status (OpenStep Versions): OpenGraph V3.3a is running in gamma mode in these configurations: (1) Solaris/OpenStep, (2) Mach/OpenStep V4.1 on SPARC/Intel/NeXT computers, (3) Windows NT V4.0/OpenStep. A NDA is required for participation in the gamma program. OpenGraph Status (NEXTSTEP Versions): The OpenGraph V3.2k CD is available for NeXT, HP PA-RISC, SPARC, and Intel computers running NEXTSTEP V3.2 or V3.3. OpenGraph V3.2m is available on DAT and a contract basis for NeXT, HP PA-RISC, SPARC, and Intel computers running NEXTSTEP V3.2 or V3.3. _________________________________ (C) Copyright 1997 VVimaging, Inc. (VVI-DCS); All rights reserved. OpenGraph, GraphBuilder, VVI Data Control Specialists, VVI-DCS, and VVimaging are trademarks of VVimaging, Inc. (VVI-DCS). NeXT, NEXTSTEP and OpenStep are trademarks of NeXT Software, Inc. Sun Microsystems and Solaris are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc. in the United States and other countries. All SPARC trademarks are used under license and are trademarks or registered trademarks of SPARC international, Inc. in the United States and other countries. Intel is a registered trademarks of Intel. Microsoft and Windows are registered trademarks of Microsoft, Inc. Windows NT is a trademark of Microsoft, Inc. All other trademarks and service marks belong to their respective owners.
From: daweb@hr.house.gov (Richard Diamond) Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:55:32 GMT Organization: U.S. House of Representatives Message-ID: <5bghul$gcm@neon.house.gov> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970111145001.631308429B-100000@conrad.appstate.edu> <01bc014e$02a25080$87589ace@Pjafiore> <32de8aac.83436568@news.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html The speed of PDF printing depends on the power of your computer. I worked in an office with a slooow network and 486-50's -- PDF files took an eternity to print. On my home P120 at home, they fly. This is a case of your mileage may vary. As for the use of PDF, I do document layout with lots of kerning and font spacing to make it look properly professional. Pagemaker can, with a press of a button, distill it into a PDF file that can print on any platform running PDF, and the output is *perfect*. That is the key benefit of PDF. Richard Diamond >"Jeff Fiore" <jafiore@webspan.net> wrote: >>I agree PDF is great but the only problem I have with it is that it takes >>forever to print and if other print jobs are printing, you will get an >>error that the printer is busy. >>Jeff
From: tony@lookgood.demon.co.uk (Tony Gillie) Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:08:24 GMT Message-ID: <32de8aac.83436568@news.demon.co.uk> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <5b2n2u$ltm@Montreal.com.br> <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970111145001.631308429B-100000@conrad.appstate.edu> <01bc014e$02a25080$87589ace@Pjafiore> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html "Jeff Fiore" <jafiore@webspan.net> wrote: >I agree PDF is great but the only problem I have with it is that it takes >forever to print and if other print jobs are printing, you will get an >error that the printer is busy. >Jeff > For what it's worth, I've had the exact opposite experience. I got fed up with waiting for MS Word and MS Publisher to print multiple copies of moderately complex documents (to a local HP Laserjet 4M plus (postscript with 6Mb RAM), so I 'printed' the originals to pdf format, and printed them from Acrobat Reader to the Laserjet. MUCH faster. The only downside is that there doesn't seem to be a 'collate' option when printing from Acrobat Reader. The documents in question contained mostly postscript fonts and a fair number of small embedded images. Tony [previous article extracts snipped] -- Dr Tony Gillie IT Consultancy, Programming, and Desktop Publishing Services tony@lookgood.demon.co.uk
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Home Finance Software for OpenStep? Date: 15 Jan 1997 05:26:34 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5bhpqa$o5d@news.digifix.com> References: <5bgjka$kd4@aadt.sdt.com> In-Reply-To: <5bgjka$kd4@aadt.sdt.com> On 01/14/97, Eric Smalling wrote: >Are there any good (comperable to Quicken 6 or 7) home finance software app's >for the OpenStep/NextStep? At home I use WinBlows 95 and would love to get a >copy of OpenStep for Mach (for Intel) but I really don't think I'd like >dual-booting just so I can update my Quicken Register every day. > > Currently there is CheckSum, which is marketed by Stone Design (www.stone.com)... I have pretty near zero interest in financials though, so I've never used it. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 15 Jan 1997 04:29:31 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) wrote: > In article <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net>, gmgraves@earthlink.net spouts > forth... > > Also > > the apps available for NeXT at this point are completely > > irrelevant. When the Mac system is NeXT, new versions of Mac > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use today's > OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, today's NEXTSTEP > applications are really the first Rhapsody applications. Well, this probably isn't quite true. I doubt that Apple will port the NEXTSTEP shared libraries necessary to run NEXTSTEP apps. Today's OPENSTEP apps may be the first Rhapsody apps, so we need to get busy converting NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 CaseServ: OPENSTEP Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:52:22 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Cc: jhsterne@earthlink.net In <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Jason S. wrote: > In article <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) > wrote: > > > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > > >In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > >> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > >> >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM > > >> >> he had when he "invented" the 3.5" > > >> >> floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > > >> >> years before his announcement. > > >> > > > >> >Are you joking? Or insane? > > >> > > >> Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain > > >> wrong and annoyingly so at that. > > >> Time to read something that wasn't printed > > >> by Apple. > > > > > >You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! > > > > > > > Really helping you cause here. > > Next time you're bored, slip into a computer store - buy some > > books and read 'em. > > > > >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) > > >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) > > > > > So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. Why is > > it I'm not surprised? > > Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ > to propagate? This is a little bit old but I just found it out and since it's insulting to me I have to answer! You imply that we two don't know that Usenet posts take time to propagate... But if you had brain between ears you'd understand that this suspicion could work for Lance (who by the way has nothing between ears) but not for me! Incidently Tim Smith kindly corrected you: "But they generally only propogate *forward* in time." But I'm not sure you got it... > J. > -- mc
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 15 Jan 97 01:26:48 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF01E2DD-A9293@207.147.62.88> References: <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.mac.advocacy On Tue, Jan 14, 1997 11:29 PM, Art Isbell <mailto:aisbell@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Well, this probably isn't quite true. I doubt that Apple will port the > NEXTSTEP shared libraries necessary to run NEXTSTEP apps. Today's > OPENSTEP > apps may be the first Rhapsody apps, so we need to get busy converting > NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP. this is a pretty accurate statement. Take a look at NeXT's website. They now have a MacOS section that basically says that OpenStep applications can easily be converted to the new MacOS. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) Subject: Re: How do I get Calliope.font to work? Message-ID: <E41FnG.7s@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: The University of Chicago References: <E3vwCK.MJI@midway.uchicago.edu> <E40o6v.Fow@nidat.sub.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:04:28 GMT Calliope is not an afm font. the 'FM' doesn't say what to do with non-afm fonts in terms of buildafmdir. it compes with the application that requires it, but i cannot find any readme's as to what to do with it except that the program doesn't see it and refues to start. bryce -- ()-() Bryce B. Sady NeXT mail Welcome (o o) http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/bbsady /\o/\
From: David Andel <no@spam.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 22 Jan 1997 00:12:20 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU (http://www.nexttoyou.de) Message-ID: <5c3m14$3hp@colossus.nexttoyou.de> References: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> In article <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) writes: > What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP > PA RISC? All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather > weak. All other programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as > I know. There's also DigiScript from OneVision, if you're searching a real killer app. Ask info@onevision.de for more details and a demo license. David Andel <david@nexttoyou.de> -- NEXTTOYOU magazine (http://www.nexttoyou.de)
From: trubane@jove.acs.unt.edu (Thomas RuBane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:28:28 -0600 Organization: University of North Texas Message-ID: <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> In article <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net>, gmgraves@earthlink.net wrote: <deletia> > > Has anyone mentioned in this thread that the Mac OS version of > NeXT Step will look and feel like a Mac not like NeXT? Also > the apps available for NeXT at this point are completely > irrelevant. When the Mac system is NeXT, new versions of Mac > apps will be available for it, but they will be MAC APPS not > NeXT apps. > > George Graves I agree with the comments regarding the NeXTSTEP interface. I have wanted a NeXT system for years, but contented myself with the Macintosh. It was my concession to mainstream computing. More shrinkwrapped aps, etc. But I've always lusted after the NeXT interface. It would be a mistake for Apple to completely discard it. If they (Apple) are serious about being able to customize the look and feel of OS8 with various themes and styles, why wouldn't they keep the NeXT gui as an option? I also have wondered about the future of NeXT (the company.) Mayble I haven't paid close enough attention, but will NeXT continue as an entity, or be subsumed in Apple? Will all NeXT users have to become Mac OS8 users, or will NeXTSTEP and OpenStep still be available from sources other than Apple? Tom RuBane
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:41:33 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > In <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> Jason S. > wrote: > > In article <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance > Togar) > > wrote: > > > > > Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > > > > >In <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > > >> Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >In <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> Lance Togar wrote: > > > >> >> I wonder if Jobs has retained the same Apple DWEEDISM > > > >> >> he had when he "invented" the 3.5" > > > >> >> floppy drive that I'd been using on my TRS-80 for > > > >> >> years before his announcement. > > > >> > > > > >> >Are you joking? Or insane? > > > >> > > > >> Neither, the details are in an earlier post. You're just plain > > > >> wrong and annoyingly so at that. > > > >> Time to read something that wasn't printed > > > >> by Apple. > > > > > > > >You're still stupid! You posted your story AFTER I posted this! > > > > > > > > > > Really helping you cause here. > > > Next time you're bored, slip into a computer store - buy some > > > books and read 'em. > > > > > > >me: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:26:03 +0000 (<E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com>) > > > >you: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:46:49 +0000 > (<32bdc985.27070955@news.sover.net>) > > > > > > > So.... YOUR news server doesn't know the correct time or date. > Why is > > > it I'm not surprised? > > > > Do either of you understand that Usenet posts take time > ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ > > to propagate? > > This is a little bit old but I just found it out and since it's > insulting to me I have to answer! > You imply that we two don't know that Usenet posts take time to > propagate... But if you had brain between ears you'd understand that > this suspicion could work for Lance (who by the way has nothing > between ears) but not for me! > Incidently Tim Smith kindly corrected you: "But they generally only > propogate *forward* in time." But I'm not sure you got it... > Excuse me? My post was obviously pointing out just how petty an argument over who posted what first was. And my having "brain between my ears" [sic] is completely unrelated to my knowing whether or not you have the common sense to realize that when you and Lance posted has no relationship to when you and Lance read said posts. Grow up. J. I'd flame you, but I think your post speaks for itself.
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:38:48 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Message-ID: <E4DwGp.768@micmac.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> Cc: lark@odyssey.cognex.com In <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> Lar Kaufman wrote: > In article <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com>, Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > >In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb Lincoln > >wrote: > >> CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI > >> and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. > > > >Yes! It was done by NeXT... > > I'd credit that feature to MIT--as a general feature of the > X Window System--if you are talking about thriving solutions. Otherwise > I'd have to say that probably the very first was Richard Stallman's > command interface solutions for LISP. > Most of us won't credit X Windows with the name of GUI... mc
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:25:11 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4DyM1.7G6@micmac.com> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> <E49A7L.J3@micmac.com> <jones.948-ya02408000R2001971814190001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Cc: jones.948@osu.edu In <jones.948-ya02408000R2001971814190001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Steve Jones wrote: > Actually the other way around; I was thinking (since next is quite a bit > older than win95) that ms copied it from them. Apparently this is the case. > Ok! You wanted confirmation... You have =;) mc
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:11:04 -0600 From: billw@xpense.com Subject: Wanted: Write Now (040) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <853902109.11355@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service Hello all! i am almost in possesion of my NeXT Station, and would love some cheap software.... anyone got any for me? thanks much, tcoy bill billw@xpense.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 22 Jan 1997 04:02:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970122040201.XAA14968@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5c38pt$t3v@shelob.afs.com> Isn't OneVision Quad-fat? There's an unofficial web site on this in Europe somewhere--anyone know if the manufacturer has an official web or ftp site? There's a book on this, no? digiscipt fpr PDF-, PS- and EPS-editing Book (engl.) with CD (but only with demo-license for the software): DigiScript edits digital manuscripts), Springer-Verlag, Berlin, ISBN 3-540-61643-8, 390 pp. 500 figs. in color www.amazon.com had the above book in their listing, but it wasn't available as of yet--anyone know how limited the demo is? Or how much it costs to license DigiScript? I'm surprised by the characterization of FrameMaker as weak--inflexible perhaps if one needs to do advertising work... William \ William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: How do I get Calliope.font to work? Message-ID: <E40o6v.Fow@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <E3vwCK.MJI@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:11:19 GMT In article <E3vwCK.MJI@midway.uchicago.edu> bbsady@midway.uchicago.edu (Coffee) writes: > Hi again. I have Calliope.font I need it to run a program known > as Calliope. The font is not an afm or bitmap font. Therefore, > all I can do is link it in /NextLibrary/Fonts/outlines and have > its own directory. However, all the programs say that it still > can't find the font. What do I need to do to update the font to > be available to the program? Hey, another big hit on my hunt for RTFMs ;-) See the man-page on 'buildafmdir'. That should put you into the picture. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSITape and NS4.1 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 22 Jan 1997 04:15:32 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5c4494$psd@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Hello, for the last 3 days I have been trying to install a driver for my DAT drive on my new 4.1 Intel setup. Rumor has it that the 4.X tape driver is broken, but somehow I hope there is a workaround for such an essential feature. If you have info how to make a tape work on 4.X, please let me know. Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 22 Jan 1997 04:30:28 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5c4554$k30@news.digifix.com> References: <19970121041700.XAA24463@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5c1jfu$5dc@usenet.rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <5c1jfu$5dc@usenet.rpi.edu> On 01/20/97, Garance A. Drosehn wrote: >rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) writes: >> No, it was done by Apple, with their Commando program that was >> a part of A/UX. Commando presented you with a dialog box with >> radio buttons, drop down menus, etc. with the various options/switchs >> for Unix commands. Thus you didn't have to memorize all the >> obscure switchs for all the commands. > >Yes, that is pretty nice. > >Wasn't it in MPW (under MacOS) first? Maybe not, it's quite >likely that I was paying attention to MPW before I did much >of anything with A/UX. > Well MPW had it as well, but I'm not entirely sure that Commando can rightfully be called a User Interface on command line utils. Thats kinda stretching what it was. Its definately a UI wrapper, but it does little to actually make it that much easier to use the tools. Scott Mac developer from way back (can you say software supplement?) -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Previewing MSWord Docs on OpenStep Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:02:31 +0100 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <32DCAB37.167E@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <jchan-ya023580001201971414540001@news.apk.net> <5bgq4n$mom$1@jake.esu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beth Katz wrote: > RE: Previewing MSWord Docs on OpenStep Jerome Chan (jchan@apk.net) wrote: > Are there any Apps or Objects(?) that will do the above? Yes. Lighthouse Openwrite come with ConverterInstaller.app holding filters for MSWord. It converts MS Winword Documents quite usable to openwrite docs and vice versa ! stefan -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 22 Jan 1997 01:24:45 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5c3q8t$jlc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) wrote: > What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP PA > RISC? All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather weak. > All other programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as I know. Look for an application called PasteUp, from a company called AFS (Anderson Financial Systems). There is a demo version available, on ftp.next.peak.org if no where else. I suspect it's also at the peanuts ftp site (in Germany, which might be quicker for you), but don't really know that for sure. The contacts for peanuts are: World Wide Web: http://peanuts.leo.org/ FTP access: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/ --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: liu@earth.seas.ucla.edu (W. Liu) Subject: restore Boot sector after installing Win95 Sender: news@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (USENET news) Message-ID: <E4DKCv.J8M@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:17:19 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department I have two patitions on my hard diak for both DOS and NeXT. Recently I upgraded the Win3.1 to Win95. And I found the boot sector was also modified automatically. Anyone knows how I could still have the choice to go either Win95 or NeXT at the very beginning of booting? Certainly I don't want to re-install NeXT stuff once again. Thanks in advance.
From: Steve Kellener <skellener@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.rendering.renderman,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: App for SpaceJam? Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:24:14 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <32E5C088.38E5@earthlink.net> References: <32E1761C.7000@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Eric A. Dubiel wrote: > > Anyone remember what that app was called that created 3D in SpaceJam on > NEXTSTEP, and the URL? No 3D was done on NeXTSTEP on Space Jam. All of the 2D images (Bugs, Daffy, etc.) were scanned, inked and painted, and output using the Animo Digital Ink & Paint System by Cambridge Animation Systems which currently runs on NeXTSTEP. The 3D work was generated at Cinesite and most likely done on SGI's. http://www.animo.com http://www.warnerbros.com/ STEVE K. ************************************ “Sorry Bill, I don’t do Windows!” ************************************
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu ( Tim) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Followup-To: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Date: 18 Jan 1997 16:57:04 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs-@cais.com (take out the dash to reply in mail) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bqvd0$ji8@portal.gmu.edu> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: Monoply$oft innovate? never. Keywords: yes Cc: In article <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Steve Jones <jones.948@osu.edu> wrote: >I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? > Yes, of course it did. It's had it since the OS came out. Find a feature in 95 that 'looks similar' and you'd see something that has been around in NeXTSTEP since before 95 was even thought of. Bill's great at ripping off ideas, allways has been, probably allways will be. Microsoft is a monopoly, and you should expect them to act like monopolists. That's not neccesarily bad, it just is. I personaly find them as a corporation slightly less annoying if I use that perspective. Tim -- ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon tfs@epic.org (PGP key aval.) crypto is good Seal Technologies Inc. I own my own words
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Date: 22 Jan 1997 10:25:29 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5c4pup$gv5@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> A Mac user posted praise for Stuffit for its ability to let users view the contents of compressed files, and derided tar for it's lack. But of course, you can see the contents in a shell with "gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz" Is there a GUI NeXT app that does this? -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy From: G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl (Drs G. C. Th. Wierda) Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Message-ID: <E459zx.4uv@AWT.NL> Sender: news@AWT.NL Organisation: AWT Organization: Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> <maury-1501971113270001@199.166.204.230> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:52:45 GMT maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) wrote: >In article <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu>, >trubane@jove.acs.unt.edu (Thomas RuBane) wrote: > >> If they (Apple) are serious about being able to customize the look and >> feel of OS8 with various themes and styles, why wouldn't they keep the >> NeXT gui as an option? > > I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they'll do. I wonder if it is a good strategy. Making this an option will be good on the short term (which is important because of survival) because it will make the transition from the Mac GUI smooth. But in the long term, it will keep people hanging at that UI because "that's the standard". Especially companies will not want to invest in using a new GUI if they see it as 'nonstandard'. So that strategy will introduce a lot of inertia. I am not so afraid for a GUI change for the public/business at large. See how easily Win95 got picked up instead of Windows 3.11. It takes some courage, but a definite 'leap forward' is doable and better for the longer term. Besides, Apple needs to distance itself again from Microsoft. I see good chances for Apple if it takes basically the NEXTSTEP GUI and makes an OS which - out of the box - handles video, graphics, sound in all its incarnations perfectly. No hassle, "it just works". If Microsoft is too slow going over to the Yellow Box, Apple should maybe increase the stakes with another Office suite, maybe Wordperfect. That would be good policy for both Wordperfect (in competition with MS Office) and Apple (in competition with MS Windows). Again, all these things I cannot knwo what is best. That depends also on market research and other things which I have not done. Apple needs to hit the right combo of visonary technology and market savvy. I think they can do it. -- Gerben Wierda, Stafmedewerker Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid. Staff member Advisory Council for Science and Technology Policy Javastraat 42, 2585 AP, 's-Gravenhage, The Hague, The Netherlands Tel (+31) 70 3639922 Fax (+31) 70 3608992 http://www.AWT.nl/ "One foolish wise man can state more than a thousand wise fools can question." "Doubters need to understand believes. Believers need not understand doubt."
From: fenris@aol.com (Fenris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OmniWeb Launch Freezes Date: 15 Jan 1997 13:31:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970115132900.IAA03115@ladder01.news.aol.com> I've recently become the owner of a OPENSTEP portable, and would like to do some web browsing from it. I've gotten PPP up and working (I can telnet out and it's finding its nameservers), but OmniWeb is hanging on launch (with the dimmed icon at the bottom of the screen). I'm a Mac developer, new to NeXT and with my UNIX days long behind me; if there are configuration mistakes that only an idiot would make please don't assume that I haven't made them! OmniWeb does NOT freeze if I don't have a PPP connection running when I launch. (Of course, I can't access anything that isn't local!) I'm running OPENSTEP 4.1 for Mach on Intel and the latest OmniWeb. Any help would be appreciated! John Willoughby ----------------------------------------------- Microsoft delenda est.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl (Drs G. C. Th. Wierda) Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Message-ID: <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> Sender: news@AWT.NL Organisation: AWT Organization: Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:06:40 GMT christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) wrote: >In article <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) writes: >|> As I recall, the rage in 1982 was about data bus size vs. ALU size >|> in determining bitness. The Z-80 could do 16-bit register and >|> indirect arithmetic but was labeled an 8-bit processor. The 6502 >|> couldn't do either but was still labeled 8-bit. Personally, I >|> prefer data bus size as the indicator of bitness. However, this is >|> one holy war I'll pass on for now. > >So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some >80386-based machines were 16-bit? Here is my recollection for what it is worth. I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. The fact that it had to hit the bus twice to get 16bit data to and from memory doesn't change that internally it worked with 16bit data. This 16bit-ness also showed up as it's default memory limitation was 64kB (16bit addresses) which was upped to 1MB by adding the 'segmentation trick'. The 8bit data path only made the CPU-memory traffic a bottleneck. The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. Except that the 80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version (16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating point part was added. The pentium combined two 486 integer ALU's with a rewritten FP ALU and some extra logic to make the stuff work together (like branch prediction or cache, I forget). I talked to the guy (actually I interviedwed him) who was responsible for the technical launch of the Pentium during the CeBIT show. Part of the story above (including admitting that the 80[23]86 processor was awful) comes from him. The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in 'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I would guess it meant cheaper memory. One of the reasons IBM went for the 8088 in the orginal PC (they considered the m68k) was that the m68k turned out to be more expensive in terms of memory. Yours, --- Gerben Wierda, Stafmedewerker Adviesraad voor het Wetenschaps- en Technologiebeleid. Staff member Advisory Council for Science and Technology Policy Javastraat 42, 2585 AP, 's-Gravenhage, The Hague, The Netherlands Tel (+31) 70 3639922 Fax (+31) 70 3608992 http://www.AWT.nl/ "One foolish wise man can state more than a thousand wise fools can question." "Doubters need to understand believes. Believers need not understand doubt."
From: me@nextbox.enteract.com (Kevin Coffee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MusicKit installation problem? Date: 22 Jan 1997 13:42:05 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <5c55fd$pao@eve.enteract.com> I'm trying to install the MusicKit_4.1.pkg but have hit a snag. The installer chokes toward the very end of the intallation and reports that there was an error. It appears that most of the package has been installed except for some documentation files and the receipt pkg. Since there is no receipt pkg, I can't easily un-install everything (without going through the bom and finding every file individually). I'm running 3.3 on motorola. Anyone have this experience, or a suggestion about what might be wrong at my end? Thanks. -- Kevin Coffee <kpc@enteract.com> <diffwerk@enteract.com> d i f f w e r k s = w e b + d e s i g n + i n t e g r a t i o n NextToMacFaq = http://www.enteract.com/~diffwerk/next-mac-faq.html
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 22 Jan 97 14:31:35 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <doenges.853943495@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl (Drs G. C. Th. Wierda) writes: >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. Except that the >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). I love nitpicking, so here goes. The 80286 was NOT a 32 bit chip. It still had only 16 bit registers, and a 16 bit data bus. It couldn't do 32 bit operations. It did have a 16MB address space in protected mode though, and was faster than the 8086. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:13:59 GMT Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32dce58b.422340@news.onramp.net> References: <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5bfjit$8km@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <32dc9fc0.529753@news.onramp.net> <32DC5F69.126@rust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:39:05 -0500, bryan white <bwhite3@rust.net> wrote: >> Compaq has had Klamath 266s for quite a while now. > >Have they sold any of these yet? No. >> deal from there, although I do want to see the 100 mhz busses - _that_ >> will be an improvement. > >There seems to be at least one pentium MB running up to 83 MHZ (ASUS >something or other). What is the PPro MB running at? 66 mhz, isn't it? Yes, Asus runs at 83 mhz, although that isn't a standard, supported spec from Intel. 100 mhz will be. Also a 33 mhz ISA bus will be standardized, although I can't get excited about that. ________________________________________________ Reachable at: 713 629 6947 nights Please quote in all replies
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:13:11 -0500 Organization: Atria Software Message-ID: <maury-1501971113270001@199.166.204.230> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> In article <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu>, trubane@jove.acs.unt.edu (Thomas RuBane) wrote: > If they (Apple) are serious about being able to customize the look and > feel of OS8 with various themes and styles, why wouldn't they keep the > NeXT gui as an option? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they'll do. Maury
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep Apps? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:07:18 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32DD2AE6.CC5@erols.com> References: <trubane-1501970138400001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Thomas RuBane <trubane@jove.acs.unt.edu> > [...] > For instance, what www browsers are available for NeXT; and are they > stable, etc? What about word processing, page layout, etc? Is PageMaker > still available for NeXT? [...] Take a look at the following web sites to find software for NEXTSTEP: http://www2.stepwise.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Stepwise/ISVs.woa/146472011089128169909971572160214/Main.wo/2199007260114/1/-/digifix http://peanuts.leo.org/server/information.html --gh
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@texas.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Problems with Audio CDs and NeXTStep 3.2/Moto Date: 22 Jan 1997 17:11:05 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Message-ID: <5c5hn9$ctc@news3.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can't get Audio CDs to mount at all on my 3.2/Moto system (Foundation Kit installed). Regular data CDs (the NS3.2 and 3.0 CD-ROMs) work fine; the cd-rom drive is a Toshiba 3301. Whenever I put in an audio disc, it chews on it for a few seconds, then spits it out. According to the console, it has a bad block 0, or whatever. Never tries to mount it as an audio CD. Have tried *all* the various audio CD player programs, none work (because the system wont properly mount the audio disc). It's almost as if the system won't recognize/mount audio CDs.. did I forget to add a filesystem type somewhere?..... Please email responses to mrbill@texas.net if possible; I've got all these nifty CDs here that I want to listen to . . . . -- Bill Bradford (BB2623) Systems Admin, UNIX geek, BOFH mrbill@texas.net * mrbill@mrbill.net Texas Networking, Inc. "Its hard to beleive that the entire fate of 823 Congress, Suite 440 the world lies in the hands of the Phone Austin, TX 78701 Company" - War of the Worlds http://www.texas.net
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:47:09 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ImtZ_Ri00iV_46I1hB@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5c4pup$gv5@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> In-Reply-To: <5c4pup$gv5@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 22-Jan-97 GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.t.. by Lee Altenberg@acpub.duke > A Mac user posted praise for Stuffit for its ability to let users view the > contents of compressed files, and derided tar for it's lack. > But of course, you > > can see the contents in a shell with > "gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz" > > Is there a GUI NeXT app that does this? Not exactly, although Installer.app or Opener.app are pretty close and could easily be modified to support that functionality. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:05:20 GMT References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, Jon Tidswell <jont@mri.mq.edu.au> wrote: >[ Note Cross posts ] > >Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, >NeXT is using. NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/Mach use a 2.5 kernel with NeXT extensions (I don't remember exactly what those are at the moment...) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeWBIE Questions Date: 22 Jan 97 13:54:47 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF0BCCAD-120558@207.147.60.204> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.software I just received my NeXT Cube with Dimension board yesterday and began playing with it. I love this machine and this software. However, as usual, I have a few questions adn would appreciate any information: 1. I'm running NEXTSTEP 3.3 user and 3.2 developer but I don't have the install disks. Is there any way to back up this machine so that it can be reinstalled in the case of a crash? 2. Is there any way to get software for NEXTSTEP from the internet to connect this thing to an Appletalk Ethernet network which I have here with an Apple Server. 3. I have an ADB system, but this thing came with the worst mouse I have ever used. It's a NeXT mouse made in 1992 and is hemispherical with a wedge shape in the front end and two buttons on it. Is there such a thing as a NeXT ADB mouse designed like the original square mouse? Thanks for the help, Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
From: "T.E. Biesinger" <teb@eng.cam.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: IBM ThinkPad 560 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:59:35 +0000 Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department Message-ID: <32DD4537.22B1@eng.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Does anybody else use an IBM ThinkPad 560 running OPENSTEP 4.0 out there? I would like to make your contact anyway to exchange experience. Here are some of my problems: 1. I am having trouble with the power mode switching using eg Fn 11 for hybernation mode. All others Fn keys work as root only! 2. The pg up and pg down keys do not work. 3. The CD player using the ESS driver set to 'CD' as input does nothing. 4. The power management does not seem to exploit the power saving functions of the hard disk switching it off when not needed. The cannot be set in the preferences either. Thanks a lot! -- --- Dr. Thomas E Biesinger, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, Trumpington Street, Cambridge CB2 1PZ, UK, em: biesingert@asme.org, vc: +44 1223 3 32869, fx: +44 1223 3 32662. PGP-2.6.i key available!
From: Paul Naton <pnatona@cts.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:51:09 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <32DD433A.285B@cts.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan W. Hendry wrote: > > Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > > > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > > > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't > > it? > > > > I want black, too. > > I wouldn't be surprised if Power Computing could be persuaded > to do a line of black machines. They seem pretty hip. > > -- > Jonathan W. Hendry President, Steel Driving Software, Inc. > OpenStep, Delphi, and Java Consulting in Cincinnati > http://www.steeldriving.com I just painted my PowerTower Pro 180 black. I used Krylon semi matte black after wiping with a light swipe of laquer thinner then alcohol. Looks awsome sitting next to my still cool but aging Next Turbo color system. I have a old next 'jacket pin' stuck in the front speaker grill of the Power Tower. I installed the eclipse setting in Kaleidescope to get that cool black look and Smart Scroll for that Next windowing thing. Replaced the Mac trash with the Next recycler icon too. Now I dont have next withdrawls. Paul Naton Maximum Graphix Love them both.......
From: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Date: 22 Jan 1997 20:02:50 GMT Message-ID: <5c5rpa$3og@nntp1.best.com> References: <5c4pup$gv5@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> <ImtZ_Ri00iV_46I1hB@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger (cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: : Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 22-Jan-97 GUI for gnutar : -ztvf file.t.. by Lee Altenberg@acpub.duke : > A Mac user posted praise for Stuffit for its ability to let users view the : > contents of compressed files, and derided tar for it's lack. : > But of course, you : > : > can see the contents in a shell with : > "gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz" : > : > Is there a GUI NeXT app that does this? : Not exactly, although Installer.app or Opener.app are pretty close and : could easily be modified to support that functionality. I'll add this to my list of opportunities for Opener enhancement! Denise -- Denise Howard | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar to Mountain View, CA | banging one's head against a wall, but deniseh@best.com | with fewer opportunities for reward. NeXTMail welcome! | http://www.best.com/~deniseh
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Appletalk on NeXTStep/OpenStep is here Date: 22 Jan 1997 22:52:19 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5c65n3$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> [Sorry for the English x-posting to a german newsgroup, but maybe this is of some interest] Howdy! I am proud to annouce the public availability of the easy-install binary CAP (Columbia Appletalk Package) for NeXTStep 3.3/OpenStep 4.x on Intel processors. It contains everything to turn your NeXTStep system into a AppleShare (Appletalk native Phase II) file and print server. Additional it enables you to mount remote AppleShare volumes on your NeXTStep machine and to print to remote LaserWriters. It contains an administration program called 'CAPer.app' that does most of the installation work and provides you with an interface to control the CAP processes quite painlessly. The installation was tested by various beta testers and for most of them it seems to work. Some parts still requires some sysadmin knowledge but exporting filesystems, mounting filesystems and providing printer spool services should be quite easy to work with. The distribution contains the full source code for BPF0.25b3 and CAPpl198, so you can rebuild the major parts of the package if you want to include some special features in CAP. At the moment you can fetch the package from http://www.this.net/~frank/CAPer.app.V1.I.b.tar.gz http://www.this.net/~frank/README.rtfd.tar.gz You may want to fetch the readme file before downloading the full 2.5 MByte package. It contains information if CAPer will work on your system, see below. ***** On what systems does the package work: It was tested on NeXTSTEP 3.3/Intel and OpenStep 4.0/Intel where it seems to work quite well. It does not work on NeXTSTEP 3.2/Intel due to some missing features in the kernel. ***** Anything to consider before installing: Appletalk Phase II needs multicasting capabilities. Some ethernet drivers don't support this, so read the CAPer documentation if your driver is supported. The kernel server (BPF) needs a lot of kernel memory, you may want to give your system more buffers. Again look in the CAPer documentation on how to do this. It is not tested in all environments, so bugs may still lurk inside. As usually you are working at your own risk. ***** What's the price of this package Zero. Null. Nichts. Nada. CAPer/CAPpl198/BPF/afpmount are distributed free of charge for any purpose abeit various copyrights apply. Look in the CAPer documentation for more information. You may not sell it, but you can give it away. ***** Shall I put it on the ftp archives Please do not at the moment. As soon I received reports that the package really works in most environments I will do this myself. Conside this release a public beta :-) ***** Will it run on m68k, Sparc, HPPA m68k - yes, definitely. sparc & hppa, most likely - we have to check if the kernel symbols support the BPF but otherwise I see no reason for problems. :-) Please provide feedback, thanks! -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: gt7357a@acmey.gatech.edu (Tp12a) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 15 Jan 1997 23:49:42 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bjqem$n3@catapult.gatech.edu> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : processor. I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." If the ALU word length determined the "bitness" of a processor, then my HP48 pocket calculator is a 64 bit machine, just like a DEC Alpha. If the maximum address space determined "bitness," a Commodore 64 would be a 16-bit machine... With virtual memory, an Intel 80486 would be a 40 bit machine! Go figure... Cheers, Phil : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer * -- Philip C. Tsao (pronounced 'Philip C. Tsao') Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7357a gt7357a@prism.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt7357a
From: raph@porter.as.utexas.edu (William Raphael Hix) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Date: 22 Jan 1997 22:06:40 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5c631g$14f@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <19970121084457374235@pm-lx-2-10.net.ip.pt> Jaime Lares Rebelo Pinto (Jaime.Pinto@ip.pt) wrote: : : I hope that with the UNIX power, and with something well designed on : top of it, there'll be no need for 2 OSs, wich would create more : problems for Apple and users. Look and feel should be configurable in : ways that will please different people, including MacOS users like me, : and Next users. Configuration and the set of extra software, to give : with each computer, must be the way to differenciate options . Probably, : there could be a point in releasing a version wich would require less : resources, but that would probably break the power of the OS, and give : way to lots of incompatibilities and problems, so I think that it's wise : to continue the development of System 7 instead. Apple seems committed to an OS "closer in look and feel to the Mac OS Finder" than to Workspace, though noting "easy support for mulitple user interface paradigms." So interface wise, it sounds like the default will be familiar to Mac users, with at least some NeXT-like customizations. (http://www.macos.apple.com/macos/releases/rhapsody/faq.rhap.html) However, there is one strong reason for releasing a reduced version, cost. Apple will have trouble selling its users an $800 OS, as NeXT has done. Mac customers already scream about $100 OS costs. While the initial targets; enterprise, publishing, multimedia, and technical, are less cost conscious, with Win NT worksation around $250, $200-$300 is as high as Apple can go, even initially. One way around this would be a $100 basic OS with basic functionality, intended for most current Mac users, with an add-on to give it full OpenStep compatibility and/or Unix compatibility for a few hundres more $. : : I believe that things like shells and compatibility are fundamental, : so there there shouldn't be limited implementations or distributions of : them. I hope Apple doesn't use artificial limitations also, like MS did. Fundamental to current NeXT users and developers is not necessarily fundamental to the larger Mac community. Apple will need to make compromises to please as many people as possible. Optional packages are one way to go. I haven't come up with another yet. : I hope they don't use early market response to decide how the : system should be, because then the market response wouldn't be : representative of all potential users, the developers and early adopters : would be overly represented. Unfortunately Apple will be heavily influenced by its critical developers, companies like Adobe and Macromedia who make major apps for major markets like publishing. It is unclear in which direction they will push, since they'll try to guess which way their users will jump. Raph ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Raphael Hix Department of Astronomy raph@astro.as.utexas.edu University of Texas Voice: (512) 471-3412 R.L. Moore Hall FAX: (512) 471-6016 Austin TX 78712 WWW: http://tycho.as.utexas.edu/~raph Room 17.210 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701142207.RAA16371@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 23a3d73febfe7a85fc194ec29082925a - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 17:07:12 -0500 Subject: ID4 and Apple (Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps?) Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 23a3d73febfe7a85fc194ec29082925a - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Original Date: 13 Jan 1997 22:36:21 GMT > Yeah, the friend I was with smirked "Good thing the aliens use > TCP/IP!" someone on one of the humor e-lists I'm on sent a '40 things I learned from ID4'... here are some relevant entries... 36. In 10 hours, one man with a Macintosh Laptop can code a virus in C++ that will take down a completely alien computer system. 37. Even though the Mac isn't compatible with most other Earthly operating systems, it can interface with an alien computer. 38. Alien network security is nonexistent. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) / http://www.next.peak.org/~luomat Unix regular expression: (.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?) Windows regular expression: "Damn.... it crashed again" [If you have a NeXTStep|OpenStep web page, email me the URL!]
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 02:37:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : (Tp12a) wrote: : > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : > : Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers : > : and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and : > : only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium : > : and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted : > : to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a : > : processor. : > : > I always thought "bit-ness" was a wholly contrived term from : > marketing-types... It seems to me that the only instance in which "bit-ness" : > is really significant is on the Intel 80x86 series. I am not aware of any : > other processor family that sports so many "modes" (8086 real mode, 80286 : > protected mode, 80386 protected mode, 8086 virtual mode, "Merced" mode?). : > Calling some piece of code "32-bit" is merely an abbreviation for the : > horribly long-winded "80386 protected mode." : It seems reasonable to consider "bitness" when comparing chips from : different families, here you point out the fact that within the x86 family : that there were and are several sets of ISA and memory addressing models : available. But the terms "16-bit" "32-bit" "64-bit" are still useful, as : long as you know the difference between "64bit address space", "32bit ALU", : and "16bit data bus". : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola : had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit : processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it : has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address : space. I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: Alan Oehler <alan.oehler@tencor.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.inetserver.iis.tripoli,comp.sys.next.software,comp.text.pdf,comp.text.frame,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.fonts,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.images,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Subject: Re: Acrobat Question? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:08:53 -0800 Organization: Tencor Instruments Wafer Inspection Div., Tech Pubs Message-ID: <32D52625.78FA@tencor.com> References: <32BA1F0B.7287@mcs.net> <r-o-b-s-t-e-r-2012962036010001@ppp-5200-0537.mtl.total.net> <32BF4679.7E8A@ix.netcom.com> <32CA6AF5.40D3@dgs.dgsys.com> <32ca9679.31095302@news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig A. Keefner wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 08:47:33 -0500, Arnold Shore > <ashore@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote: > > >Counter question: Why bother with Acrobat and PDF? > > > >If (big if!) your primary intent is to develop a web site, then products > >pointed towards that capability would be a better solution, MS's > >FrontPage being a good example. > > "my" website includes a major airline which has financial reports > that legal prefers are displayed in one look and one look only. > html cannot approach it. Thus pdf files or java applets (of ms > documents). > > Craig Yeah, that seems to be the main distinction -- if you have documents that must maintain precise formatting, pagination, etc. when delivered online, Acrobat or something similar is definitely the way to go. -Alan
From: ts110@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Tomaz Slivnik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Date: 16 Jan 1997 05:50:11 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Message-ID: <5bkfij$av2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> tralala@mlink.net wrote: : Get OmniWeb v.2.5.b2 (current version) Don't OmniWeb versions 2.0 and above require NS3.3? Tomaz
From: dadler@u.washington.edu (David Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: converting .draw files to other formats Date: 16 Jan 1997 05:39:57 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <5bkevd$qm9@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <5bdvi7$qs@coopers.cs.ubc.ca> <5bet7u$ace@news.next.com> In-Reply-To: <5bet7u$ace@news.next.com> On 01/13/97, Mark Bessey wrote: >David Poole writes >> ...so how can I translate .draw files to >> another format that can be edited using some standard drawing package >> (probably on a PC)... [.eps or .tiff is no good as they cannot be >> edited]. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give, >> David >> poole@cs.ubc.ca > >Actually, both EPS and TIFF are *both* editable formats. I'd hate to >think that your book publisher doesn't have a copy of either Photoshop >or Illustrator. Seriously, though, either ImageViewer.app (available on >the usual NeXT archive sites) or OmniImage.app (www.omnigroup.com) can >convert ps files to any number of other formats...So: print, save the PS >to a file, and convert away! > >Hope this helps, > >-Mark >-- >Mark Bessey >NeXT Software, Inc >Software Quality Assurance >-->I DON'T SPEAK FOR NeXT <-- > If these are really drawings, i.e. vector-based graphics, then, I think, there is a sort of problem. If you import EPS into Illustrator or FreeHand or Canvas or Corel (at least the versions I have used) you get a graphic object, resizable and moveable but not truely editable. There is a possible solution, save as EPS from Draw, open, or copy and paste, in Tailor (IMO one of those killer NeXT apps, it's on the Mac now too) Tailor has "made editable" just about any .ps or .eps file I have thrown at it, allowing full text and graphic element editing. Tailor can then save in Illustrator format for moving to the other "platforms". (I am not financially involved with the folks who make and distribute Tailor just a satisfied customer). David -- -- David Adler, Ph.D. scientist "Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense" T.H.Huxley
From: glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: setting dns Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:16:43 -0800 Organization: Europa Communications Inc. [Portland, OR] Message-ID: <glenn-ya02408000R2201971616430001@news.europa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, I am trying to determine how to set the dns address on NeXTstep 3.3. I found where to configure IP address and router. Any help is appreciated. This is a lone NeXT box in a mac and PC shop. ---- Tod L. Glenn Internet Services Administrator Now Software ITG webmaster@nowsoft.com ---- http://www.nowsoft.com ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com listserv@nowsoft.com
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Appletalk on NeXTStep/OpenStep is here Date: 23 Jan 1997 01:52:25 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5c6g8p$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5c65n3$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: frank@this.net In <5c65n3$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Frank M. Siegert wrote: > [Sorry for the English x-posting to a german newsgroup, but maybe this is of > some interest] > > Howdy! > > I am proud to annouce the public availability of the easy-install binary CAP > (Columbia Appletalk Package) for NeXTStep 3.3/OpenStep 4.x on Intel > processors. It contains everything to turn your NeXTStep system into a > AppleShare (Appletalk native Phase II) file and print server. Additional it > enables you to mount remote AppleShare volumes on your NeXTStep machine and > to print to remote LaserWriters. > Sorry to followup my own posting but due to the overwheming run on the www.this.net site to download this package even in the first few hours I decided to put it up on ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/CAPer.app.V1.I.b.tar.gz and ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/submissions/CAPer_V1_README.rtfd.tar.gz Hopefully it will not contain bugs and will work as advertized :). Please use this site for downloading, thanks! -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:05:04 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) wrote: > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: > : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication that Motorola > : had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by calling the 68K a 32-bit > : processor. I would consider the 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it > : has a 16-bit data bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address > : space. > > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there > were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes > to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. > Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? The original 68000 did indeed have a 16-bit ALU and the behavior of which you speak. This did not change until the 68020 if memory serves. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:06:58 -0800 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) wrote: > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, there > were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were acoomplished via 2 passes > to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations actually took twice as long. > Was my memory faulty or is this indeed the case? Sorry to follow up my own post, hit the send key too fast.. 32 bit operations often took an extra cycle or two, not necessarily "twice as long". For example a reg-reg add might take 4 cycles for the 8 or 16 bit case, or 5 cycles for the 32 bit case due to the extra trip through the ALU. Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: Allan MacKinnon <allanmac@blueprint.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:29:24 -0500 Organization: B L U E P R I N T Message-ID: <32DD8474.13F9@blueprint.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan W. Hendry wrote: > > Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > In <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> Joshua W. Burton wrote: > > > longsine@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > > > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't > > it? > > > > I want black, too. > > I wouldn't be surprised if Power Computing could be persuaded > to do a line of black machines. They seem pretty hip. > I like black too, but if it's not done well, it looks like crap (roll the 'r'). How about borrowing some color ideas from SGI? I like their dark 'crimson' color. It's somewhat tasteful. But that's just me. :) ASM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701221523.KAA05222@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: e892b734e107533cb840dae18f3dd19d - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 10:22:56 -0500 Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com, deniseh@best.com, shess@one.net References: e892b734e107533cb840dae18f3dd19d - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Original Date: 22 Jan 1997 10:25:29 GMT > A Mac user posted praise for Stuffit for its ability to let users > view the contents of compressed files, and derided tar for it's > lack. But of course, you can see the contents in a shell with > "gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz" > > Is there a GUI NeXT app that does this? Never use an "app" when a service will do! You can do this now, using TickleServices.app, using the Services/Archive/List command, it pipes the output to an Edit.app plain ascii file. What I would like to see is a way to extract single files from a .tar.gz file, which sounds like something TickleServices could do, but I don't know how, maybe I'll try it later. These would also be excellent additions to "Opener.app", an already excellent app in its own right! TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: OpenStep Solaris, Mail.app question. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 22:13:42 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9701152113.AA04611@basil.icce.rug.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In article <5bdad3$bpe@iese.iese.fhg.de>, Jean-Marc DeBaud wrote: > Just wondering if there is a version of Enhancemail > that works with Solaris OpenStep 1.1 Mail.app? I would be very surprised if it actually existed. A port to OS/Solaris' Mail.app is non-trivial, as EnhanceMail trojan-horses itself in place by posing as a fair number of internal Mail.app classes. I expect the internals of OS/Solaris' Mail.app to be quite different from the NeXT version (OSsified for one). And the functionality EM adds is not necessarily well separated from the Mail.app classes it overrides... (in laymans' terms: it's a hack:-) -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable __/ _/_/ from a perl script" -- Larry Wall, mangled
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software From: Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org Subject: Re: PageChoice Message-ID: <E42ov0.6L3@free.fdn.fr> Sender: news@free.fdn.fr Organization: Fabien Roy Consultant. References: <5b5iot$bft@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <E3x5JD.H2q@free.fdn.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:20:59 GMT mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> wrote: > In another thread, long ago, I mentioned the existence of an application > called "PageChoice" which, given a PostScript file, will allow you to print > out left or right pages, duplex etc. > > It's old (1992), so currently only runs on NeXT hardware, however given a bit > of encouragement, the author sounds willing to update it (it needs a bit of > polishing) and rerelease it (*)). The cost on this side of the pond will be > around 20 pounds ($US30)... assuming a small market! :-) > > Could anyone who would be interested in this please let me know, and I'll let > him know the market opinion. > > Best wishes, > > mmalc. > > (*) A limited time demo should be available soon -- more details later. > > -- > PSHelper.app is quad fat. It is a GUI wrapper for psselect from the psutils library. FYI here are the psutils description: [November 5, 1992 version of psutils.] ===== The comp.lang.postcript FAQ description follows: ===== psutils is a set of useful PostScript utilities: epsffit, getafm, psbook, psnup, psselect, pstops, and showchar. By Angus Duggan What: Converts-ASCII-to-PostScript, Page-Reordering Status: free Platforms: UNIX Get-From: ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk (129.215.160.5) in the file pub/ajcd/psutils.tar.Z ===== The official psutils README follows: ===== PostScript Utilities Angus Duggan 7 April 1992 This shar file contains some utilities for manipulating PostScript documents. Page selection and rearrangement are supported, including arrangement into signatures for booklet printing, and page merging for 2up/4up/8up/9up printing. ENVIRONMENT These utilities have been compiled and run on Sun-3 and Sun-4 machines under SunOS 4.1.1 and 4.0.1, and on HP9000/375 machines under HPUX 7.0 FILES The files contained are: -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 1668 Oct 27 18:50 LICENSE -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 643 Apr 7 1992 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 3167 Oct 27 18:51 README lrwxrwxrwx 1 ajcd 9 Oct 27 18:49 appledict.ps -> md68.0.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 3673 Jul 12 1991 epsffit.c -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 362 Apr 7 1992 fixfmps -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 1329 Jul 17 12:49 fixmacps -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 1165 Jul 16 1991 fixpspps -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 525 Apr 7 1992 fixwpps -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 4706 Sep 3 1991 getafm -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 31021 Oct 27 18:48 md68.0.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 35328 Oct 27 18:48 md71.0.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 1066 Jul 12 1991 psbook.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 1990 Jul 12 1991 psbook.c -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 2057 Jul 16 11:06 psnup -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 2152 Sep 5 1991 psnup.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 1509 Jul 12 1991 psselect.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 4621 Jul 12 1991 psselect.c -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 3209 Mar 23 1992 pstops.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 9416 Apr 7 1992 pstops.c -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 5286 Oct 27 18:31 psutil.c -rw-r--r-- 1 ajcd 682 Sep 5 1991 psutil.h -rwxr-xr-x 1 ajcd 2552 Sep 5 1991 showchar PROGRAMS psbook rearranges pages into signatures psselect selects pages and page ranges pstops performs general page rearrangement and selection psnup uses pstops to merge multiple pages per sheet epsffit fits an EPSF file to a given bounding box psselect in modeled after Chris Torek's dviselect program, and psbook is modeled after Tom Rokicki's dvidvi program. psbook is modeled on my own dvibook program, which borrows heavily from Chris Torek's dviselect. SCRIPTS getafm (sh) outputs PostScript to retrieve AFM file from printer showchar (sh) outputs PostScript to draw a character with metric info fixfmps (perl) filter to fix framemaker documents so that psselect etc. work fixwpps (perl) filter to fix WordPerfect documents so that psselect etc. work fixmacps (perl) filter to fix Macintosh documents with saner version of md fixpspps (perl) filter to fix PSPrint PostScript so that psselect etc. work BUGS The utilities don't check for PS-Adobe-?.? conformance; they assume documents conform. Utilities need an extra save/restore around whole document on a SPARCPrinter with NeWSPrint 1.0, because of bugs in the xnews server. Bug fixes and suggestions to ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk -- Fabien Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail/MIME accepted) Fabien Roy Consultant NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/EOF Consultant, SYBASE DBA 10 rue de la DEFENSE 93100 MONTREUIL, France Tel: 33 (0)1 45 28 32 23 Fax: 33 (0)1 48 55 09 90 GSM: 33 (0)6 60 46 36 83
From: alvin@neander.com (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: new mail bundle and NeXT employee's web pages Date: 17 Jan 1997 09:22:40 GMT Organization: Zoom.Com Information Services, Inc. Message-ID: <5bngd0$pb0@stealth.romoidoy.com> References: <199701160453.UAA20139@PEAK.ORG> Wow! > hey y'all, someone told me about a new bundle for Mail.app at > > http://www.next.com/~eseymour > > It is called Colorizer, and looks rather cool if you have a color > machine, which I don't. That is a neat bundle. It almost makes Mail.app a threaded e-mail reader. I guess it wouldn't take too much effort to make a thread bundle for Mail.app after all.. (Oh yeah, the color and arrow thingys are neat, too!) -- Alvin Jee alvin@neander.com NeXTMail gleefully accepted! Using the Internet since 1984 http://www.neander.com/
From: hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 22 Jan 1997 17:45:40 GMT Organization: Individual - France Message-ID: <5c5jo4$39i@precipice.fdn.fr> References: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <5c38pt$t3v@shelob.afs.com> >Guenther Bauer writes > What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP PA RISC? > All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather weak. All other > programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as I know. If you prefer quality over price, take a look at OneVision (http://www.onevision.de/) There's a demo on the peanuts archive. You can also get a 1 month licence (info@onevision.de) Hugues. -------------------------------------------------------------------- hugues@precipice.fdn.fr - French, English, Italian and a few JP ->OK ------------ NS3.2 ------------ NS3.0J ------------ :-) ------------
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 16 Jan 1997 10:46:59 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5bl0v3$rm5@duke.squonk.net> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <slrn5dqdku.lt8.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) wrote: > Look at it this way. The Mac user interface was designed for > users without the savvy to use a more complicated computer: the > mouse has only one button because they wanted to avoid the > possibility of the user pressing the wrong button. For those who haven't worked with NeXTSTEP, I would like to point out the following: NeXTSTEP supports a two-button mouse. In it's default setting, both buttons do the *exact* same thing. If you change a preference setting, then one of the two buttons will cause the application's menus to pop up at the current cursor location. You, the user, get to set which button causes this. So, NeXTSTEP has two buttons, one of which would be an "action" button, and the other is a "menu" or "information" button. This is not like X, where you have three buttons and each application makes up it's own mind as to what actions are triggered by which button... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: ici@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp (Toshinao Ishii) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Does NOTEBOOK supports OPENSTEP ? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 22 Jan 1997 16:38:07 GMT Organization: 3Web internet service Message-ID: <ICI.97Jan23013807@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp> Hi. According to the info from Canon (http://www.cnds.canon.co.jp), NoteBook.app 1.2J does not work well on OPENSTEP 4.1J. This is my disappointment becuse I like the software very mutch. Does someone know NoteBook is running on OPENSTEP for Intel ? Japanese support is not necessary. Does someone know whether there is plan of further development of NoteBook ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-= Toshinao Ishii email: ici@osk.threewebnet.or.jp (NeXTMAIL/MIME Welcome)
From: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP! User account keeps quitting... Date: 23 Jan 1997 07:46:40 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5c7510$mdk$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Keywords: User account [me] will not start HELP! Something's gone awry on my 25 Mhz/040 Cube running NS 3.3; it's been configured for a longtime now as a single user, stand-alone machine, no network: PROBLEM: When I login as user, the usual, expected things happen: dock appears Desktop seems to build, THEN the color wheel (or beach ball, if you prefer) spins for a few seconds and THEN the machine quits, reverting back to the login box-----again and again. However, if I login as root everything is OK. I've created yet another user account, no problems, then logged out and tried logging in as the new user, but to no avail. Same story as the 1st user. Also I've inspected the all of the "dot-files (like .NeXT). Nothing seems to be out of order. Tried changing their names temporarily (to .33Appinfo from .Appinfo, for example), [after making a copy of these, for safety reasons]. Still no dice. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance... answer here or my email: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca Seamus -- If I can't die happily-- I'd rather not die at all. Anon
From: sroth@netrover.com (Steven Roth) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can eat shit Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:33:35 -0500 Organization: Netrover Distribution: inet Message-ID: <sroth-1501971333350001@ascend9.netrover.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <judas.0mwa@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <carol1-0701972248550001@17.219.103.211> <5b11c5$rmp@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <AEFB9EC9-369E0@207.158.13.84> <5b7km0$o68@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <32d7fc3d.82279872@client.sw.news.psi.net> <5ba00l$321@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <32da8f2b.251026236@client.sw.news.psi.net> <1997011409420622019@ts3u-4.cc.umanitoba.ca> <5bicof$8hl@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> In article <5bicof$8hl@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, t21@ix.netcom.com (Stephan Schaem) wrote: >In article <1997011409420622019@ts3u-4.cc.umanitoba.ca>, umbeggs@cc.umanitoba.ca (Gerry Beggs) wrote: >>Joshua T. McKee <jmckee@miaco.com> wrote: >> >>> I realize that the PPro is not a great design, but for a poor design, >>> it is competing very well. I read from DEC's home page that DEC >>> believes a 300MHz PPro will keep pace with their 433MHz 21164 (this is >>> recalled from memory from a few weeks ago, you may wish to verify it). >>> The question is, can Intel get the PPro to 300MHz? >> >>I find this hard to believe. since the PPC 604 is faster than the PPro >>at the same clock speed, and the Alpha is faster than the 604. >> > > ppro 200mhz 8.1 specint95 , ppc 604e 200mhz 7.41 > 6.75 specfp95, ppc 604e 200mhz 6.72 > > An alpha 21164 300mhz get 7.3 specint95. > > a 195mhz R10000 is faster then any of the above, and Mips > cpu can be very cheap for low end system. > > What number did you base your assumption on? > > Stephan From Byte magazine: "It takes two 200Mhz Pentium Pros to equal one 200Mhz PowerPC 604e processor." - results from Byte Benchmarks testing. -- Steven Roth sroth@netrover.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: frank@OneVision.de (Frank Pohl) Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Message-ID: <E4GBwJ.7Ez@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:07:31 GMT In comp.sys.next.software article <19970122040201.XAA14968@ladder01.news.aol.com> Will Adams wrote: > Isn't OneVision Quad-fat? There's an unofficial web site on this in Europe > somewhere--anyone know if the manufacturer has an official web or ftp > site? There's a book on this, no? DigiScript is Quad-fat Web site: http://www.OneVision.de > DigiScipt for PDF-, PS- and EPS-editing > Book (engl.) with CD (but only with demo-license for the software): > DigiScript > edits digital manuscripts), Springer-Verlag, Berlin, ISBN 3-540-61643-8, > 390, pp. 500 figs. in color > > www.amazon.com had the above book in their listing, but it wasn't > available as of yet--anyone know how limited the demo is? Most "Save"-functions locked. > Or how much it > costs to license DigiScript? It s not cheap for "some-Times-DTP"-Users, but it has a good price for professionells. > I'm surprised by the characterization of FrameMaker as weak--inflexible > perhaps if one needs to do advertising work... The latest word: "The German OneVision company has been raising eyebrows with its product for Next, which may be the most versatile software product for publishing on any platform. Among its functions are page layout, graphics manipulation and imposition ...", The Seybold Report on Publishing Systems, Volume 26, Number 8. Frank
From: Mark Trombino <mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTime Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:03:42 -0800 Organization: Egg Head Billy Productions Message-ID: <32E7296E.AC1@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried looking up NeXTime on NeXTAnswer with no luck. I'm hoping someone out there can help me. Is NeXTime still available? Where can I get it? How much does it cost? Does it support QuickTime movies like I've heard? Thanks in advance!
From: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@hc.ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:37:40 -0600 Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Message-ID: <32DE4B44.670F@hc.ti.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <E42oHA.7Ix@onevision.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > PPP multilink > maybe someone should check if this already on the wishlist of the "free" > PPP? Probably not as there is not much of a demand. There are other things that will take priority. Specifically, kernel based demand dial, better installation app, and tracking down that pesky "connect" panic. Course, things could change... ;). I'm also looking at ISDN and ADSL drivers for those who are interested... Requests can be made at: http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ (in the bug report/feedback section). Now is the time as I'm ramping up to dig back into PPP soon... - Steve -- Stephen J. Perkins Tel. +1(972)995-0029, Fax +1(972)995-6194, e-mail: perkins@ti.com Texas Instruments, P.O. Box 655474, MS 446, Dallas, TX 75265
From: mmunz@inconnect.com (Mark Munz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: 23 Jan 1997 04:54:03 GMT Organization: Puppy Dog Software Message-ID: <mmunz-2201972153190001@slc-dial-50.inconnect.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> <32DC157E.1730@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> <E47p6M.2CC@micmac.com> In article <E47p6M.2CC@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: >Umax look better and since they are also doing scanners... Beware, the SL900's cute door is nothing but a pain in the rear. I ended up pulling it off, since it gets in the way with the CD-ROM drive and floppy drive. Mark Munz
From: christw@lexis-nexis.com (Christopher C. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:26:10 GMT Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Message-ID: <5blkr2$sdm@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com> In article <rbarris-ya023280001501972305040001@news.quicksilver.com>, rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) writes: |> In article <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu>, no_spam@Glue.umd.edu |> (David T. Wang) wrote: |> > Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: |> > : Anyway, I was originally responding to Lance's implication |> > : that Motorola had somehow tried to pull a fast one on people by |> > : calling the 68K a 32-bit processor. I would consider the |> > : 386-SX a 32-bit processor, even though it has a 16-bit data |> > : bus, since it has 32-bit ALU, register model, and address |> > : space. |> > I seem to recall that 68000 processor actually had 16 bit ALU's, |> > there were some "32 bit" adds and subtracts which were |> > acoomplished via 2 passes to the 16 bit ALU, so 32 bit operations |> > actually took twice as long. Was my memory faulty or is this |> > indeed the case? |> The original 68000 did indeed have a 16-bit ALU and the behavior |> of which you speak. This did not change until the 68020 if memory |> serves. On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A lot like increasing the clock speed. Chris -- Speaking only for myself, of course. Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What is the best Web Browser for 3.2 Black? Date: 16 Jan 1997 16:39:00 GMT Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <5bllj4$163s@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <5bkfij$av2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5bkfij$av2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> On 01/15/97, Tomaz Slivnik wrote: >Don't OmniWeb versions 2.0 and above require NS3.3? Nope, 2.5 runs fine on 3.2 machines with the FoundationUserPatch package installed. See a NeXTAnswers Web server near you for your free copy. -- ---------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Psychology Dept. Univ. of Alberta Network manager, Web manager, and postmaster. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome) http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/staff_bios/gary.finley.htmld/
From: "Håkan Jonsson" <hajons@combitech.se> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT_PPP Homepage unreachable Date: 23 Jan 1997 10:54:03 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Message-ID: <01bc091c$21c19400$1f504b92@P080031.software.combitech.se> Hi! I have been trying to reach the NeXT_PPP homepage and FAQ at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/NeXT_PPP_FAQ.html but without luck. Does anyone know if it has moved or where I can get that FAQ elsewhere? Yours, Håkan Jonsson
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Formatting JAZ-Disks ? Date: 23 Jan 1997 12:48:50 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5c7mni$r5j@hagen.amg.de> Hi there, does anyone know, how to format a JAZ Disc (IOMEGA) under NEXTSTEP 3.3 ?? Thanks, Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 16 Jan 97 11:03:54 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: world Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan16110354@howard.one.net> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <MPG.d45ba729c0df226989681@news.xmission.com> <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> In-reply-to: aisbell@ix.netcom.com's message of 15 Jan 1997 04:29:31 GMT In article <5bhmfb$rb4@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) writes: kpompei@xmission.com (Kevin Pompei) wrote: > In article <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net>, > gmgraves@earthlink.net spouts forth... > > Also the apps available for NeXT at this point are completely > > irrelevant. When the Mac system is NeXT, new versions of Mac > They are NOT irrelevant. Apple has said that developers can use > today's OpenStep to develop Rhapsody applications. So basically, > today's NEXTSTEP applications are really the first Rhapsody > applications. Well, this probably isn't quite true. I doubt that Apple will port the NEXTSTEP shared libraries necessary to run NEXTSTEP apps. Today's OPENSTEP apps may be the first Rhapsody apps, so we need to get busy converting NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP. Beyond which, since NeXT apps available today don't have PPC in their Mach-O, it's a moot point. They can port the shared libraries all they want, but unless they put it in an emulation box (say, a _68k_ emulation box), it doesn't do much good at all. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@NO.SPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e for NeXT black hardware Date: 23 Jan 1997 13:18:17 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5c7oep$dtd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5bpk75$2g6@netnews.upenn.edu> kazdan@hans.math.upenn.edu (Jerry L. Kazdan) wrote: > >Is there a reasonably current version of TeX with LaTeX 2e for NeXT >(black) hardware running NeXTSTEP 3.2 (or 3.3)? (Probably a FAQ) This has been on my "To Do" list for a very long time (and given the workload I curently have, it'll remain there for quite some time :-). The most tricky part of LaTeX2html is the conversion of Postscript to inlined Gifs, which requires GhostScript and a bunch of PPM routines. Using eps2tiff (or epstotiff, I keep forgetting. The one that generates GIFs, does antialiasing and all that) it should be simple to build a NEXTSTEP port that blows every Sun installation out of the water, and does not require installing GhostScript first. Since the software is written in Perl, it is highly portable, one just needs to replace the part where the inlines are generated. Any volunteers? :-) Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: brk and sbrk Date: 23 Jan 1997 13:41:51 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <5c7pr0$4e6@crcnis3.unl.edu> Keywords: brk, sbrk I'm involved in a software porting venture... the software at hand uses the functions brk and sbrk. The NEXTSTEP man pages say these functions are not supported. Are there any other functions available to provide similar functionality? ____ Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: dynamic libraries Date: 16 Jan 97 11:02:22 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan16110222@howard.one.net> References: <01bc0301$291dca00$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com> In-reply-to: "Kenneth R. Fleming"'s message of 15 Jan 1997 16:21:27 GMT In article <01bc0301$291dca00$b4ac3895@ken.suite.com>, "Kenneth R. Fleming" <ken@suite.com> writes: We are attempting to use a few global variables within a dynamic library libtool doesn't like it. We get the error "common symbols not allowed in dynamic libraries" We can find no way to scope the variables to just within the library. Does anyone have any suggestions? You could put the variables as statics, with accessor functions, hidden behind macros: barf.h: #define myGlobal getMyGlobal() int getMyGlobal( void); barf.c: static int __myGlobal=someValue; int getMyGlobal( void) { return __myGlobal; } Hacky, sure, but it does the job, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <I plan to become so famous that people buy tapes of me reading source code>
From: no_spam@Glue.umd.edu (David T. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 16 Jan 1997 17:36:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5blou9$ia8@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Christopher C. Wood (christw@lexis-nexis.com) wrote: : On the other hand, this behavior was invisible to the machine code. : It's just an implementation detail. Replace the microcode and 16-bit : ALU with a 32-bit ALU. Performance goes up on all your software. A : lot like increasing the clock speed. Ofcourse, but this was one of the criteria which Mr Barris was using to determine the "bitness" of a processor, and I was simply pointing out that 68000 processors had 16 bit data paths, and 16 bit ALUs, Even though it had 32 bit registers, convention was that it was referred to as a 16 bit processor. : Chris : -- : Speaking only for myself, of course. : Chris Wood christw@lexis-nexis.com cats@CFAnet.com
From: Murali Boyapati <mboyapat@bdm.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Can we convert WatchMe to JPEG/MPEG/Video Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:48:55 -0800 Organization: BDM Federal, Inc., Skyline, VA Message-ID: <32E68B47.3D9F@bdm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone tell us the best way to create a demo of software developed using NextStep, that can be viewed in MS Windows? We have looked at the WatchMe software, however, we haven't figured out how to port the WatchMe demo to MS Windows. We are hoping that there may be a way to convert WatchMe files (recorded in the NeXT platform) to JPEG or MPEG. Can someone confirm this. WatchMe folks have not replied to us so far. Finally is there any other alternative to WatchMe that may be suitable to create a video demo (on NEXT) that can subsequently be viewable in MS Windows3.11. Can anyone offer any suggestions?
From: Dave Johnston <djohnsto@imma.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Old Apps and new OS Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:29:15 -0500 Organization: IMMA Inc. Message-ID: <32E775BB.1186@imma.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a few questions about the differences between 3.0 and 3.2, and saving some applications. I am new to NeXT, and a bit timid about my lovely "new" computer First off, the person who previously owned my slab has removed many of the apps (or parts of them) from the machine without using the installer. I know that the "empty" archives are still in the /NeXtLibrary/Reciepts directory but it says they are installed and of course cannot find some of the files to compress them again. In some instances the apps are still on the machine (and working) but have been moved around and/or some of the app's files (as listed in the log window of installer)have been deleted. I don't really want to lose the apps, but I think I would like to wipe the disk and start from scratch. Unfortunately, I got the machine without ANY software on disk or CDROM and cannot merely reinstall them after a refit. Can I ftp the application files to another machine (including all remaining associated files), reformat the disk and upgrade the OS (3.0 to 3.2), and expect the apps to work after I ftp the files back? Some of the apps that I want to keep are: Lotus Improv AppSoft Draw 9sp?) Wordperfect Thanks in advance for your help Cheers Dave
From: jlewin@whatnext.syr.edu (Jacques Lewin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Real Audio Date: 23 Jan 1997 16:57:07 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA) Message-ID: <5c8593$rql@newstand.syr.edu> Is there a version of the real audio app for Next? ( So I can liosten to National Public Radio stuff?)
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT_PPP Homepage unreachable Date: 23 Jan 97 12:14:20 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF0D069F-B0694@207.147.51.207> References: <01bc091c$21c19400$1f504b92@P080031.software.combitech.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Jan 23, 1997 5:54 AM, Håkan Jonsson <mailto:hajons@combitech.se> wrote: > I have been trying to reach the NeXT_PPP homepage and FAQ at > http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/NeXT_PPP_FAQ.html but without > luck. I had no problem connecting to it. You might want to try again. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: killer apps for Apple/NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1997 01:31:25 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins Message-ID: <5bk0dd$jnq@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> Cc: ziziz@worldnet.att.net In <32DD473F.334E@worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao wrote: > Dean Hall is looking for killer apps for Apple/NeXT OS. He says: > "So far > most of the stories have been about > Apple , I would really like to know > about how the deal affects NeXT > developers. Does anyone have a > killer app in the works? What about > game developers? " > in his webpage http://members.tripod.com/~dehall/nextstep.html One of the companies I contract for may just have the "killer app". Imagine building first class OpenStep objects (especially highly graphical animating ones) with no code at all. This thing could put Visual Basic out of the picture and or be a great way to build Visual Basic component ware. My company is in fact working on a high end game using all of the latest greatest NeXT technology. Sorry I can not give details. P.S. Renderman was already available for Mac
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Update: Appletalk on NeXTStep/OpenStep is here Date: 23 Jan 1997 16:39:10 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5c847e$j8n@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5c65n3$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <5c6g8p$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: frank@this.net As usually some little quirks has entered the first public release. 1. If you startup CAP NetInfoManager stops working (it can't be started anymore and hangs). This is caused by the download of the bpf kernel server. Netinfo itself continue to work as far as I can tell and the NetInfo command line tools (nidump, niload, niutil), NFSManager and PrintManager works too. I am about to investigate this strange behaviour. Maybe anyone from NeXT has an idea what could be the problem? As a quick fix you should use the NetInfoManager only when CAP is switched off AND the bpf is unloaded. To unload the bpf manually just issue a /usr/local/etc/bpf_unload in a shell after stopping the cap processes or add the following lines to the /usr/local/cap/kill-cap-server script sleep 5; /usr/local/etc/bpf_unload (the 'sleep 5' is to give the cap processes some time to die gracefully) 2. The documentation how to increase your kernel buffers is in the bpf source package in the app wrapper. 3. The information about the 'cap.printer' file format is in the papif manpage. Sorry for any inconvenience, hopefully the problems are resolved in the next release. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 23 Jan 1997 16:35:04 GMT Organization: University of Economics and Business Administration, Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <5c83vo$mi9@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> References: <5c38pt$t3v@shelob.afs.com> <19970122040201.XAA14968@ladder01.news.aol.com> WillAdams (willadams@aol.com) wrote: : I'm surprised by the characterization of FrameMaker as weak--inflexible : perhaps if one needs to do advertising work... It simple doesn't suit my needs. I didn't find a way to lay one graphic above another one in a transparent way, or to let a text float left and right around a graphic. The Online Help is ridiculous and and it is annoying to convert every piece of graphic into TIFF. I just need a program with more possibilities of graphical manipulation, FrameMaker isnt't the one for such things. Guenther
From: Randall Dean <rwd@cronald.osf.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Date: 23 Jan 1997 12:35:31 -0500 Organization: Open Software Foundation Message-ID: <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) writes: I believe they use Mach 2.0 and NOT 2.5. > > In article <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, > Jon Tidswell <jont@mri.mq.edu.au> wrote: > >[ Note Cross posts ] > > > >Ive failed to find any concrete details about which version of Mach, > >NeXT is using. > > NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/Mach use a 2.5 kernel with NeXT extensions (I don't > remember exactly what those are at the moment...) > > -- > David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca > Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ > University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer > Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual -- Randall W. Dean r.dean@opengroup.org The Open Group Research Institute http://www.opengroup.org/~rwd 11 Cambridge Center (617) 621-7310 Cambridge, MA 02142 FAX: (617) 621-8696
From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: LaTeX2e for NeXT black hardware Date: 23 Jan 1997 19:14:21 GMT Organization: Disorganized Bits Message-ID: <5c8dad$9c8@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <5bpk75$2g6@netnews.upenn.edu> Jerry L. Kazdan (kazdan@hans.math.upenn.edu) wrote: : : Is there a reasonably current version of TeX with LaTeX 2e for NeXT : (black) hardware running NeXTSTEP 3.2 (or 3.3)? (Probably a FAQ) Yes. What about it? teTeX distribution runs on NeXT as well (and I am using it). Visit any CTAN node (ftp.cdrom.com mirrors CTAN in North America, ftp.shsu.edu is out of the picture). The only "extra" piece you need is TeXview which understands kpathsea searches through a hierarchical directory structures. Look in contrib/next of teTeX distribution. It is probably the easiest just to install teTeX from scratch to totally replace your old installation. Read instructions first. Michal
From: glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Newbie Help Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:36:16 -0800 Organization: Europa Communications Inc. [Portland, OR] Message-ID: <glenn-ya02408000R1601970936160001@news.europa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, I recently aquired a copy of NeXTstep 3.3 for Intel and NeXT. I'd Like to install on an intel box, but it appears that the floppy is for NeXT computers. Any idea how I can obtain and Intel installer floppy for for 3.3? Thanks ---- Tod L. Glenn Internet Services Administrator Now Software ITG webmaster@nowsoft.com ---- http://www.nowsoft.com ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com listserv@nowsoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: OS Components of OpenStep for Mach Message-ID: <cdoutyE4HApt.32J@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:39:29 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom21.netcom.com In article <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org>, Randall Dean <rwd@cronald.osf.org> wrote: >dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) writes: > >I believe they use Mach 2.0 and NOT 2.5. Just to verify, I looked at my copy of _NeXTSTEP Operating System Software_ (ISBN 0-201-63252-7, printed by Addison-Wesley) In the "Mach Concepts" chapter they state, "The NeXT Mach operating system is a port of CMU Relase 2.0, with additional features from both NeXT and later versions of CMU Mach." NeXT added the "Bootstrap Server" (?) and Loadable Kernel Servers. CMU Mach 2.5 contributed scheduling and some messaging details. They go on to say that Mach uses a 4.3BSD compatability layer. We know that NeXT added some 4.4BSD networking features for NS3.3 and above. I suppose that the people who know more about the new Mach kernel NeXT intended for NS4.0 are still bound by non-disclosure agreements. Too bad, I'd like to know more. Whatever kernel Apple chooses for Rhapsody, I hope it has functionality like the Loadable Kernel Server in NS right now. I figure that the ability to add functions at runtime is a huge step forward over the traditional Unix "relink the kernel and reboot" every time you want to change something, like add a device driver. -Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: gj@rulil0.leidenuniv.nl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Date: 23 Jan 1997 20:50:43 GMT Organization: Leiden University, The Netherlands Message-ID: <5c8iv3$r06@highway.leidenuniv.nl> References: e892b734e107533cb840dae18f3dd19d - <199701221523.KAA05222@nerc.com> A couple of years ago, there was a workspace bundle for sale which would let you treat tar archives as directories. If my rusty memory serves me correctly, it was a commercial prooduct, and I do not have a clue what happended to it. -- Geert Jan van Oldenborgh work: oldenbor@knmi.nl private: gj@rulil0.LeidenUniv.nl (for the time being) web: http://rulgm4.leidenuniv.nl/gj/gj.html (-""-) 's lack. >> But of course, you >> >> can see the contents in a shell with >> "gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz" >> >> Is there a GUI NeXT app that does this? > >Not exactly, although Installer.app or Opener.app are pretty close and >could easily be modified to support that functionality. > Actually, there are/were several apps that managed Tar files enTar is one, but there have been several others. Check the peak archive. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: Eelco Houwink <Eelco_Houwink@spidernet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 23 Jan 1997 00:15:08 GMT Organization: Spider Message-ID: <32E6AD9A.26C1@spidernet.nl> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> <maury-1501971113270001@199.166.204.230> <E459zx.4uv@AWT.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I wonder if it is a good strategy. Making this an option will be good on the > short term (which is important because of survival) because it will make the > transition from the Mac GUI smooth. But in the long term, it will keep people > hanging at that UI because "that's the standard". Especially companies will > not want to invest in using a new GUI if they see it as 'nonstandard'. So > that strategy will introduce a lot of inertia. @ The appearance manager, when implemented according to OS8 directions, should offer the look and feel of OS7, NextStep, W95 and X-windows GUIs. This way, a user switching to AppleOS will retain the environment that suits him best. Eelco Houwink
From: frank@this.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Update: Appletalk on NeXTStep/OpenStep is here Date: 23 Jan 1997 19:09:44 GMT Organization: NO ORGANIZATION, INC. Message-ID: <5c8d1o$jks@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <5c65n3$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> <5c6g8p$fhk@bias.ipc.uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: frank@this.net I have now resolved the problem of the NetInfoManager start hangs. It looks like NetInfoManager makes a 'gethostbyaddr' on startup to set the hostname in the window title. ('local @ hostname') As soon as the BerkleyPacketFilter LKS is loaded NetInfoManager calls 'gethostbyaddr' not with the real IP address of the host but with the IP 0.0.0.0. This triggers a nameserver lookup and the machine hangs. As a quick fix I am thinking about entering a 'dummy' host with the 0.0.0.0 IP in the local host database using HostManager or nidump/niload. I hope NetInfoManager only needs the hostname for its window title, so it would not matter much if the name comes up wrong (Can someone at NeXT please confirm this?). Can anyone tell me if this workaround may have any negative side effects? As far my debugging shows NetInfo itself is not affected by BPF only NetInfoManager is. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: "Kevin" <kevin.c7@ukonline.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Your views on Software Piracy Date: 23 Jan 1997 19:57:43 GMT Organization: [posted via] UK Online Ltd Message-ID: <01bc0967$eba3e700$c87106c2@kevin.c7> I am doing an investigation on Computer Crime. Could you help me by giving your own views on Software Piracy. Problems: What are the problems about software piracy? Attitudes: Why do people pirate software? Solutions: What has been done about Computer Crime and any prevention to it? Thank you. PS. If you are replying could you send by email please.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: My Terminal Services don't show up! Date: 23 Jan 1997 21:42:54 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5c8m0u$afh@news.digifix.com> I've noticed that since moving to OS 4.1 I don't seem to be able to get my Terminal Services to work from Terminal.app anymore. The only one that I'm really up in arms about is "Open New Terminal here.." I've runn make_services with progress on, but its not even touching Terminal.. Where should i be saving my terminal.srvcs? -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: brk and sbrk Date: 23 Jan 97 15:09:37 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Distribution: world Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan23150937@slave.one.net> References: <5c7pr0$4e6@crcnis3.unl.edu> In-reply-to: rdieter@math.unl.edu's message of 23 Jan 1997 13:41:51 GMT In article <5c7pr0$4e6@crcnis3.unl.edu>, rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) writes: I'm involved in a software porting venture... the software at hand uses the functions brk and sbrk. The NEXTSTEP man pages say these functions are not supported. Are there any other functions available to provide similar functionality? sbrk()/brk() are indeed there, though. Just not supported. I'd try them, first. Unfortunately, I don't know what the interface is, perhaps it'll be fine to snarf prototypes from another platform. [Aha, just a second ... int brk( void *end); void *sbrk( int incr);] If that's distasteful, you could probably emulate them to a great degree. I've never used brk()/sbrk(), but here goes (this code has never been compiled - don't look at me!): // 40M good enough? This isn't the value _actually_ allocated, // it's the amount of zerofill memory desired. You can run it // right off the scale if you want. It will wreak havoc with // your VSIZE in ps(1), of course. #define MaxSize (40*1024*1024) static void *__endCode=NULL; /* The "end" of code space. */ static void *__endData; /* The "end" of data space. */ // Allocate a MaxSize area "between" the end of code and the // stack. It's not really there, it just sounds like it is. // Returns the "end of code" pointer, which I think most // brk()/sbrk() users need. void *init_sbrk( void) { if( __endCode!=NULL) { return __endCode; } if( vm_allocate( task_self(), &__endCode, MaxSize, TRUE)!=KERN_SUCCESS) { errno=ENOMEM; return NULL; } // Mark the pages protected so you can't go in and screw // with them. vm_protect( task_self(), __endCode, MaxSize, FALSE, VM_PROT_NONE); vm_inherit( task_self(), __endCode, MaxSize, VM_INHERIT_COPY); __endData=__endCode; return __endCode; } // If newEnd is in range, let it go through. Everything between // __endCode and __endData is marked read/write, everything // paste __endData is marked free. int emu_brk( void *newEnd) { if( __endCode<newEnd && newEnd<__endCode+MaxSize) { void *align; __endData=newEnd; align=__endData; align=(((unsigned)align+vm_page_size-1)/vm_page_size)*vm_page_size; vm_protect( task_self(), __endCode, align-__endCode, FALSE, VM_PROT_WRITE); // The following three lines probably need error // handling, but I'm not going to do it. The theory, // here, is that you deallocate the pages (throwing // them back into the system's pool), reallocate them // as zerofill pages, and set the protection to allow // no access. The problem is, what if it can't allocate // the pages in the same place? It _should_ work, so // long as another thread in this process didn't come // in meanwhile and allocate something in there. // vm_deactivate() would be alright, except that it // doesn't actually free the pages, so it's not very // close to the intent of brk(). vm_deallocate( task_self(), align, MaxSize-(align-__endCode)); vm_allocate( task_self(), align, MaxSize-(align-__endCode), FALSE); vm_protect( task_self(), align, MaxSize-(align-__endCode), FALSE, VM_PROT_NONE); vm_inherit( task_self(), align, MaxSize-(align-__endCode), VM_INHERIT_COPY); return 0; } errno=ENOMEM; return -1; } void *emu_sbrk( int increment) { void *prevEnd=__endData; if( emu_brk( prevEnd+increment)==-1) { return NULL; } return prevEnd; } Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help With Slip/PPP on NS2.1 Date: 23 Jan 1997 22:05:57 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5c8nc5$ajq@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Dear Netters, I would like some help on setting up ppp and or Slip on a pizza box running 2.1. Is it something that can be accomplished ? Following the demo by SLIP of Mamakos I get to a system that doesn't give me login prompt. PPP (the new ones) cannot be compiled unless I look at the source code. Any help. Thank you in advance. Please mail me the package if you have one. Ioannis ------- ( an object farmer)!
Message-ID: <32E796ED.65CB@lhep.unibe.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:53 +0100 From: Juerg Beringer <beringer@lhep.unibe.ch> Organization: Laboratory for High Energy Physics, University of Bern MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software CC: beringer@lhep.unibe.ch Subject: Access to NS/Intel boot time options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it possible to access within the rc startup scripts the options entered at the NeXTStep (V3.3) boot prompt of an Intel machine? I am using e.g. config=SCSI at the boot prompt to load the device drivers according to a table SCSI.table (in /usr/Devices/System.config) instead of the standard Instance0 table. For different reasons I'd like to know in the startup scripts which options (if any) were selected. Thanks for any hints! Juerg Beringer E-mail: beringer@lhep.unibe.ch
From: BELA SEFCSIK <sefcsik@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Looking for gcc Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:48:30 -0500 Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Message-ID: <32E7C08E.38FC@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. I am studying C++ in school and am looking for the latest version of gcc and associated libraries for NeXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel procesor. Thanks. Bela Sefcsik sefcsik@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
From: paul@pth.com (Paul Haddad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Date: 23 Jan 1997 23:06:11 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Message-ID: <5c8qt3$g86@news.internetmci.com> References: <199701221523.KAA05222@nerc.com> <5c8iv3$r06@highway.leidenuniv.nl> In <5c8iv3$r06@highway.leidenuniv.nl> gj@rulil0.leidenuniv.nl wrote: > A couple of years ago, there was a workspace bundle for sale which would let > you treat tar archives as directories. If my rusty memory serves me > correctly, it was a commercial prooduct, and I do not have a clue what > happended to it. > > I (along with Ralph Zazula & Pinnacle Research) wrote it back when there was somewhat of a market for this sort of thing. There was actually several different inspectors. One was for showing/decompressing the contents of a tar, .tar.gz or .tar.Z file, there was also a encryption/decryption inspector an improved image and improved sound inspector (I only wrote the encryption and decompression inspectors). Unfortunately, we only sold about 2 or 3 copies of it. So it wasn't a product that lasted a very long time... See ya, -- Paul Haddad
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.mach Subject: Re: OS Componenets of OpenStep for Mach Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:52:50 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Imtxqmm00iV9AA4xQx@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5bhkt2$t78@manuel.ocs.mq.edu.au> <E421ww.2CE@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> In-Reply-To: <yu2lo9k70rg.fsf@cronald.osf.org> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Jan-97 Re: OS Componenets of OpenS.. by Randall Dean@cronald.osf > dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) writes: > I believe they use Mach 2.0 and NOT 2.5. It's somewhat up to question. Since I've never had access to NeXT's source code, I have to describe things from what I know of CMU's versions of Mach. What NeXT calls "Mach 2.5" is somewhere between what CMU calls Mach 2.0 and Mach 2.5. CMU Mach added NFS and user-level paging objects as the major externally visible functionality-- NeXT's Mach has NFS but not user-level paging objects. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: me@nextbox.enteract.com (Kevin Coffee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: MusicKit installation problem? Date: 24 Jan 1997 02:16:35 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <5c9623$ck5@eve.enteract.com> References: <5c55fd$pao@eve.enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <5c55fd$pao@eve.enteract.com> Just to follow up... my work-around was to create the directory /LocalDeveloper/Examples/DSP by hand. After that, the installer was able to complete its work. This seems like a bug to me. -Kevin On 01/22/97, Kevin Coffee wrote: >I'm trying to install the MusicKit_4.1.pkg but have hit a snag. The >installer chokes toward the very end of the intallation and reports >that there was an error. It appears that most of the package has been >installed except for some documentation files and the receipt pkg. > >Since there is no receipt pkg, I can't easily un-install everything >(without going through the bom and finding every file individually). > >I'm running 3.3 on motorola. > >Anyone have this experience, or a suggestion about what might be wrong >at my end? Thanks. >-- >Kevin Coffee <kpc@enteract.com> <diffwerk@enteract.com> >d i f f w e r k s = w e b + d e s i g n + i n t e g r a t i o n >NextToMacFaq = http://www.enteract.com/~diffwerk/next-mac-faq.html > -- Kevin Coffee <kpc@enteract.com> <diffwerk@enteract.com> d i f f w e r k s = w e b + d e s i g n + i n t e g r a t i o n NextToMacFaq = http://www.enteract.com/~diffwerk/next-mac-faq.html
From: pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Does NeXTStep have these apps? Date: 24 Jan 1997 08:46:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <slrn5egt13.260.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> References: <32cd4afb.680711251@snews.zippo.com> <32CC3A5B.3DA4@earthlink.net> <01bbf90f$6e54d6a0$c36fface@aventar> <nervous-ya02408000R0301970202130001@news.netrover.com> <5ajjq7$bu@news.platinum.com> <32DB7321.1018@earthlink.net> <trubane-1501970128280001@den1-2-17.dialup.unt.edu> <maury-1501971113270001@199.166.204.230> <E459zx.4uv@AWT.NL> <32E6AD9A.26C1@spidernet.nl> <32E844AB.38A8@earthlink.net> In article <32E844AB.38A8@earthlink.net>, Steve Kellener wrote: >Eelco Houwink wrote: >> @ The appearance manager, when implemented according to OS8 directions, >> should offer the look and feel of OS7, NextStep, W95 and X-windows GUIs. >> This way, a user switching to AppleOS will retain the environment that >> suits him best. >This a great idea! In fact, you can do this on your mac right now!! >Church Windows2.0 for Macintosh will switch the look of your Mac windows >to a number of looks... Copeland, NeXT, Windows 3.1, Windows '95, SGI, >Be,and Motif. If it can be done now, I don't see why It couldn't be >done on the future system. It would be nice if it came built in. I think this misses the point. The point is that is should WORK like the OS. Bowman, for instance, which tries hard to look like a NeXT on X (and does OK), doesn't have any of the nice functionality of the NeXT GUI. One of the biproducts of the development environment on the NeXT is that the GUI is uniform across programs and platforms. I can sit down with most any application and know both what to expect and where to look for it. I can probably guess the command-key to trigger it! To quote a Taiwanese proverb via an old college friend of mine, "You can't eat looks!" Paul
From: colin@rice.edu (Colin Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTSTATION as a web server Date: 24 Jan 1997 06:35:19 GMT Organization: Valley Tech Corporation Customer Message-ID: <colin-2301972315330001@anderson.vt.com> I'm a new NeXT user (been a Mac user for 8 years, BeOS for 2 months). I bought a NeXTSTATION to see what the NeXT fuss was all about. I've quickly grown to love the machine and I would like to put it to use as a web server. If you can help me, please send me an e-mail message. Colin Anderson colin@rice.edu
From: Konstantin Wiesel <kwiesel@jura.uni-bonn.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: lipo app for Openstep 4.1? Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:11:57 +0000 Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.970117131030.6677D-100000@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there an Openstep 4.1 compatible lipo app available? Neither Metrosuction nor Xanthus Stripper work anymore. Regards Konstantin Wiesel Email:kwiesel@pollux.jura.uni-bonn.de
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: DOS filename extension for FrameMaker documents? Date: 24 Jan 1997 03:58:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <5c9c1u$hm8@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: FrameMaker, frame, framemif What 3-letter extensions should I use when copying NEXTSTEP FrameMaker documents onto a DOS floppy? Specifically for: *.frame --> *.framemif --> Thanks for the information. -- Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> USMail: Univ. of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720-2020 Tel: 510-642-6440, Fax: -3323, Web: http://totoro.berkeley.edu/~izumi/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hans@onevision.de (Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Message-ID: <E4IB0L.A0J@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <5c5jo4$39i@precipice.fdn.fr> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:43:33 GMT In article <5c5jo4$39i@precipice.fdn.fr> hugues@precipice.fdn.fr (Hugues RICHARD) writes: > >Guenther Bauer writes > > What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP PA RISC? > > All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather weak. All other > > programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as I know. > > If you prefer quality over price, take a look at OneVision (http://www.onevision.de/) > There's a demo on the peanuts archive. > You can also get a 1 month licence (info@onevision.de) > first: Hi Hugues, nice to meet you here... then: You can also send a mail, we have demo CD s available The manual including CD is also available from Springer in German or English. ====================================================================== Hans Stoeger OneVision GmbH Support Zeiss-Strasse 9 Email: hans@onevision.de D-93053 Regensburg No big mails, Please! Germany
From: Brian Ward <bward@stevens-tech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: TOP Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:12:46 -0500 Organization: Stevens Institute of Technology Message-ID: <32DF96EE.34F@stevens-tech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------374113A7E070" ------------374113A7E070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know were I could get the source code for TOP. So I could see the processes on the NeXT mach kernel? ------------374113A7E070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <HTML><BODY> <DT>Does anyone know were I could get the source code for TOP. So I could see the processes on the NeXT mach kernel? </DT> </BODY> </HTML> ------------374113A7E070--
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What's happened to Lighthouse? Date: 24 Jan 1997 15:39:17 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5cal35$rc0@news.asu.edu> References: <jbf_see_signature-ya023580002401971000590001@news.tiac.net> Not meaning to come down too awfully hard on you, but did you ever stop to think that there may be nothing wrong with Lighthouse's Web Site and the problem could be exclusively on your end? Moreover, and if there were a problem with Lighthouse's URL, that it may have been a temporary problem? This is the type of post which gets my feathers up at times as it sounds too close to the Chicken Little "sky is falling" and "another one bites the dust" variety. Just my feelings ... James B. Frazer (jbf_see_signature@frazer.com) wrote: : I tried the http://www.lightouse.com url before posting an answer : to a query, and it seems to have vanished from the net (no DNS : entry). : Anyone else have this problem, or know where it has gone? : Barney : Barney (delete that _see_signature to email me)
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTime Date: 23 Jan 1997 18:16:30 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5c89tu$ss6@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <32E7296E.AC1@ix.netcom.com> Mark Trombino <mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > I tried looking up NeXTime on NeXTAnswer with no luck. I'm hoping > someone out there can help me. > > Is NeXTime still available? Where can I get it? How much does > it cost? Does it support QuickTime movies like I've heard? It is now part of the current system, so you'll get it if you buy the latest release. If you're looking to stay with some older release, and you just want to get NeXTIME, I don't know if you can buy it (not new, I mean -- obviously you could buy someone else's copy when *they* buy the latest system upgrade). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: 23 Jan 1997 18:13:44 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5c89oo$ss6@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <5c38pt$t3v@shelob.afs.com> Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) wrote: > PasteUp is quad-FAT. You can pull a demo copy from > next.ftp.peak.org, then get a demo license by writing > to <PasteUp@afs.com>. it's ftp.next.peak.org, not next.ftp.peak.org. Or you can use next-ftp.peak.org (with the dash). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: 24 Jan 1997 19:26:38 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5cb2de$ofj@news.xmission.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> lark@odyssey.cognex.com (Lar Kaufman) wrote: > In article <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com>, Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > >In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb Lincoln > >wrote: > >> CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI > >> and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. > > > >Yes! It was done by NeXT... > > I'd credit that feature to MIT--as a general feature of the > X Window System--if you are talking about thriving solutions. Otherwise > I'd have to say that probably the very first was Richard Stallman's > command interface solutions for LISP. Huh? I know a lot of people that are scared by X! NEXTSTEP has more in common with Macs than X, which makes it a GUI which is a lot kinder--and not anywhere near as fearsome. I have never been impressed by the CLI/GUI integration in X whereas under NeXT's system it is truly seamless... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What's happened to Lighthouse? Date: 24 Jan 1997 17:14:37 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5caqlt$cnj$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <jbf_see_signature-ya023580002401971000590001@news.tiac.net> jbf_see_signature@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) wrote: >I tried the http://www.lightouse.com url before posting an answer >to a query, and it seems to have vanished from the net (no DNS >entry). > >Anyone else have this problem, or know where it has gone? > >Barney > >Barney (delete that _see_signature to email me) Try using "lighthouse" instead of lightouse in your URL. --Ryan PS. No problem reaching them.
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Unrefreshed screens in Lynx -- Why? Date: 24 Jan 1997 20:15:45 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <5cb59h$kdc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I have lynx (2.6) on my slab (3.2). When I browse now, unlike when I had a previous version of lynx, the screen is not refreshed when I scroll a page. This happens even with lynx compatible sites like yahoo. Thus, the only way a given word is erased is if those characters are overwritten on the next page. Nedless to say, this is highly annoying. Does anyone else have this problem? What can be done? Lones -- .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. / L \ O / N \ E / S \ / S \ M / I \ T / H \ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' ` Lones Smith, Economics Department, M.I.T., E52-252C, Cambridge MA 02139 (617)-253-0914 (work) 253-6915 (fax) lones@lones.mit.edu
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:17:31 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32E918DB.6C5E0FD7@screaming.org> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> <5cb2de$ofj@news.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Yacktman wrote: > lark@odyssey.cognex.com (Lar Kaufman) wrote: > > In article <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com>, Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > >In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb > Lincoln > > >wrote: > > >> CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI > > >> and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. > > > > > >Yes! It was done by NeXT... > > > > I'd credit that feature to MIT--as a general feature of the > > X Window System--if you are talking about thriving solutions. Otherwise > > I'd have to say that probably the very first was Richard Stallman's > > command interface solutions for LISP. > > Huh? I know a lot of people that are scared by X! NEXTSTEP > has more in common with Macs than X, which makes it a GUI which > is a lot kinder--and not anywhere near as fearsome. I have > never been impressed by the CLI/GUI integration in X whereas > under NeXT's system it is truly seamless... I have to agree. X tends to terrify the uninitiated, so the honor truly goes to NeXTstep -- a system that I've never known to terrify anybody. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: sendmail 8.8.5 Date: 24 Jan 1997 21:24:41 GMT Organization: Universite Laval Message-ID: <5cb9ap$leo$1@athena.ulaval.ca> References: <5c9ed1$d8m@news.digifix.com> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> wrote: ... % Finally, a decent up-to-date sendmail for NEXTSTEP! This latest % version is compiled for multiple architectures (NeXT m68k, Intel x86, % HP PA-RISC, Sun SPARC), supports NetInfo, NIS, smrsh (sendmail % restricted shell), mail.local and outgoing aliases (YourName@host.com) % with the user database. ... % I recommend that you pick up a copy of the O'Reilly and Associates % book on sendmail before using this version of sendmail. Furthermore, % the installation and use of this software is entirely at your own % risk. Read the README notice for more details. Hello, Could someone comment on those "risks", and on the advantages of replacing NeXT's sendmail ? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------- Antoine Gautier (antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca) ------------------------------------------------------- Professeur, De'partement OSD Faculte' des Sciences de l'Administration Universite' Laval http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/gautiera/
From: jbf_see_signature@frazer.com (James B. Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: What's happened to Lighthouse? Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:00:59 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <jbf_see_signature-ya023580002401971000590001@news.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I tried the http://www.lightouse.com url before posting an answer to a query, and it seems to have vanished from the net (no DNS entry). Anyone else have this problem, or know where it has gone? Barney Barney (delete that _see_signature to email me)
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Unrefreshed screens in Lynx -- Why? Date: 24 Jan 1997 21:53:32 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5cbb0t$7hi@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5cb59h$kdc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <5cb59h$kdc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A Smith) writes: > I have lynx (2.6) on my slab (3.2). When I browse now, unlike when I had > a previous version of lynx, the screen is not refreshed when I scroll a Press CNTL-L, to redraw the screen. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: Andre Lalonde <tralala@mlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: booklet-making app available --> PageChain.app Date: 14 Jan 1997 13:50:37 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <5bg2vd$bmt@supernews.login.net> References: <5b5iot$bft@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <5b9pdf$149@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> <5bdb9l$5c3@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5bdb9l$5c3@bignews.shef.ac.uk> > On 01/12/97, Uli Zappe wrote: > > As I said in another thread, if this tool is also able to do "book-like" > > sorting of pages (meaning if you you have say four pages then print 4|1 on > > one side and 2|3 on the other side of one sheet of paper) to print your own > > little booklets, I'd be VERY interested! > > --------------------------------------------- You might want to check: http://www.running-start.com/cgi-bin/showPage.cgi/downloads/binaries.html/Page Chain v1.5 (beta) (528k) Cheers, André Lalonde <tralala@mlink.net> (NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP SOFTWARE TRANSLATOR) ---------------------------------------------
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:41:35 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> Cc: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam This was written in comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep (<jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com>) by Jason S.: > Excuse me? My post was obviously pointing out just how petty an argument > over who posted what first was. First, you were not invited to comment on this! Second, the history of the posting had its importance in that case. But that's beyond you... > And my having "brain between my ears" > [sic] is completely unrelated to my knowing whether or not you have the > common sense to realize that when you and Lance posted has no relationship > to when you and Lance read said posts. You still don't get it! Too subtile for you I guess... Don't feel the need to answer me. I couldn't read your posts anymore! mc
From: Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Anyone running NT and OS 4.1 on same drive? Date: 24 Jan 1997 19:08:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <5cb1bj$5hq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Hi, I'm going to be running Windows NT 4.0 and OPENSTEP 4.1 on the same 2GB SCSI drive. Each op sys will be given a gig partition. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Anything I should know? Thanks in advance, -Chuck -- Chuck Esterbrook, Software Eng. http://www.orcacomputer.com/~chuck --------------------------------------------------------------------- chuck_esterbrook@orcacomputer.com / vo 540 231-3475 / fx 540 231-3480 Orca Computer, Inc. / 1800 Kraft Dr. Suite 111 / Blacksburg, VA 24060
Date: 24 Jan 1997 13:29:35 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <cancel.01bc0967$eba3e700$c87106c2@kevin.c7> Control: cancel <01bc0967$eba3e700$c87106c2@kevin.c7> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: "Kevin" <kevin.c7@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bc0967$eba3e700$c87106c2@kevin.c7> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19970124.07 for further details
From: notmy@address.org (Collin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Foundation Classes Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:28:29 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Sender: clp5@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <notmy-2401972128300001@cu-dialup-1001.cit.cornell.edu> Hi I'm trying to get OmniPDF and OmniWeb to run on my NeXTCube, but since I'm running NS 3.2 I don't believe I have the Foundation classes which Omni says are necessary to run their apps. So the questions...how can I get the foundation classes onto my machine, short of buying a NS 3.3 CD? Is it possible to get them to run under 3.2? If not what should I do for PDF viewing and web browsing? Thanks in advance...Collin ------- Sorry, I'm tired of junk email, so my reply address is invalid. clp5@cornell.edu
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: another cool thing about Colorizer.bundle for Mail.app Date: 25 Jan 1997 03:59:18 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5cc0em$sn@news4.digex.net> References: <199701241442.JAA10457@nerc.com> Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> wrote: > Note: although the name implies that you need a color machine > (and I'm sure that wouldn't be bad) it is usable on a mono > machine, especially the thread-marking. Actually, I've stuck to mostly monochrome colors, and it looks much nicer (to me anyway :). I had to wear sun glasses for my previous crayola color scheme :) > Colorizer is available at > http://www.next.com:80/~eseymour/Colorizer/Welcome.html and > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.NIHS.b.tar .gz > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.README -- Thanks, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | You make the best of what's still around...
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MailColorizer Date: 25 Jan 1997 02:50:05 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5cbsct$sn@news4.digex.net> Colorizer 1.5 by Eric Seymour <eric@next.com> is way cool (I got it off the his next web page, but don't have the url anymore). Anyway, there is one problem...I simply have gad awful color taste and it looks pukey. Would anyone that has some elegant color scheme that doesn't make it look like the screen has crayola all over it mind sending me their colors? Send me a note if you don't mind... Anyway, worst comes to worst, I'll make them all grey and just use the settings panel to select groups of mail...really nice bundle, thanks much Eric :) -- Thanks, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | You make the best of what's still around...
From: Lusty Wench <lusty@lusty.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What's happened to Lighthouse? Date: 24 Jan 1997 10:47:45 -0800 Organization: What's that? Sender: lusty@idiom.com Message-ID: <5cb04h$67d@idiom.com> References: <jbf_see_signature-ya023580002401971000590001@news.tiac.net> In article <jbf_see_signature-ya023580002401971000590001@news.tiac.net>, James B. Frazer <jbf_see_signature@frazer.com> wrote: > >I tried the http://www.lightouse.com url before posting an answer >to a query, and it seems to have vanished from the net (no DNS >entry). If you tried that exact url, it's no surprise your connection failed, because you've misspelled lighthouse. I just tried www.lighthouse.com and got the page. Lusty
From: Isaac <isaac@lab.housing.fsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT's Black Hole, was Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:58:15 -0500 Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970121105245.18120B-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> References: <QmsIHAq00iWl078YM0@andrew.cmu.edu><19970118223900.RAA24511@ladder01.news.aol.com> <SHESS.97Jan18232337@slave.one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <SHESS.97Jan18232337@slave.one.net> On 18 Jan 1997, Scott Hess wrote: > In any case, NeXT's use of a Black Hole for allowing files to be > undeleted is _still_ not right. Black holes emit energy by virtue of > splitting virtual particle pairs. If you tried to do an undelete on a > file dropped into a black hole, you'd get back a virtual file with no > relationship to your original file. [That's the nice thing about > electrons and other particles - one electron is as good as any other.] Now THAT would make for interesting behaviour of the NeXT Black Hole! I always thought the "Black Hole" metaphor was curious - it seemed to me like reading from the black hole should be like reading from /dev/null. In any case, it's still light-years cooler than this wimpy "Recycler" nonsense. :) -Isaac
From: Alan Lovejoy <alovejoy@concentric.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:35:15 -0800 Organization: Modulation Message-ID: <32E9C5C3.7EAF@concentric.net> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> <5cb2de$ofj@news.xmission.com> <32E918DB.6C5E0FD7@screaming.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pohl Longsine wrote: > > Don Yacktman wrote: > > lark@odyssey.cognex.com (Lar Kaufman) wrote: > > > In article <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com>, Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> wrote: > > > >In <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Robb > > Lincoln > > > >wrote: > > > >> CLI. Ironic as it is, I believe thare must be a way to integreate GUI > > > >> and CLI gracefully, without scaring the uninitiated. > > > > > > > >Yes! It was done by NeXT... > > > > > > I'd credit that feature to MIT--as a general feature of the > > > X Window System--if you are talking about thriving solutions. Otherwise > > > I'd have to say that probably the very first was Richard Stallman's > > > command interface solutions for LISP. > > > > Huh? I know a lot of people that are scared by X! NEXTSTEP > > has more in common with Macs than X, which makes it a GUI which > > is a lot kinder--and not anywhere near as fearsome. I have > > never been impressed by the CLI/GUI integration in X whereas > > under NeXT's system it is truly seamless... > > I have to agree. X tends to terrify the uninitiated, so > the honor truly goes to NeXTstep -- a system that I've never > known to terrify anybody. Not even WinTel advocates? -- Alan L. Lovejoy |==============================================| Smalltalk Consultant | Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs! | alovejoy@concentric.net |==============================================|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701241442.JAA10457@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 09:42:50 -0500 Subject: another cool thing about Colorizer.bundle for Mail.app Cc: eric@next.com Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary When you open a .mbox, the thread that you were last reading is still highlighted. This is very useful if you have to close up a mailbox and then you are trying to find your place later on. Note: although the name implies that you need a color machine (and I'm sure that wouldn't be bad) it is usable on a mono machine, especially the thread-marking. Colorizer is available at http://www.next.com:80/~eseymour/Colorizer/Welcome.html and ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.NIHS.b.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.README TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701241549.KAA11219@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: c29c0f360dce388574f205d5d71ed12f - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:49:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Old Apps and new OS Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: c29c0f360dce388574f205d5d71ed12f - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Dave Johnston <djohnsto@imma.org> Original Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:29:15 -0500 Message-ID: c29c0f360dce388574f205d5d71ed12f - > I have a few questions about the differences between 3.0 and 3.2, 3.0 is a test-release, 3.2 is stable and just about find for 95% of the things you'd like to do. You can't compile QuadFat with 3.2, and there are a few apps that don't work under 3.2 that would under 3.3 (but you are asking about 3.0, so whatever doesn't work for 3.2 sure wouldn't work for 3.2). Several apps won't work with 3.0 because they were designed later, the free PPP is one of them. Basically, there's no reason I know of to want 3.0 over 3.2, with the exception of the Phone Kit shlibs and whatnot that are used with ISDN if you want to go through that hassle, which you probably don't > Some of the apps that I want to keep are: > > Lotus Improv > AppSoft Draw 9sp?) > Wordperfect In general you should save everything in /LocalApps /LocalLibrary and any other /Local*, as well as /usr/local/ For WordPerfect you will need the /LocalLibrary/WPLearn_Documents/ and /LocalLibrary/WPReference/ as well as /LocalLibrary/Fonts/WP* For Improv I think all you need is the app itself (someone let me know if I'm wrong!) Don't know anything about AppSoft Draw TjL ps -- drop me a note if you have more questions. -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: Steve Haynes <sghaynes@widomaker.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DTP for Nextstep? Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:47:55 -0500 Organization: Widomaker Public Access Internet (804)221-8070 Message-ID: <32E830EB.783E@widomaker.com> References: <5c36sd$45e@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <5c3q8t$jlc@usenet.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) wrote: > > What is the best DTP program available for Nextstep under HP PA > > RISC? All I could find was Framemaker, which is rather weak. > > All other programs aren't compiled for PA RISC as far as I know. > > Look for an application called PasteUp, from a company called > AFS (Anderson Financial Systems). There is a demo version > available, on ftp.next.peak.org if no where else. I suspect > it's also at the peanuts ftp site (in Germany, which might be > quicker for you), but don't really know that for sure. The > contacts for peanuts are: > > World Wide Web: http://peanuts.leo.org/ > FTP access: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/ > > --- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA Hello I use PasteUp daily in running my business and have found it much more pleasant to work with than PageMaker on the Mac and Windows. I would highly recommend it. Steve Haynes EQB Industries Note: I am not affiliated with AFS the makers of PasteUp in any way.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701241557.KAA11383@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 613bd7e307760733aa0f30e57b3ab6b0 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:57:46 -0500 Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 613bd7e307760733aa0f30e57b3ab6b0 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: gj@rulil0.leidenuniv.nl Original Date: 23 Jan 1997 20:50:43 GMT > A couple of years ago, there was a workspace bundle for sale which > would let you treat tar archives as directories. If my rusty memory > serves me correctly, it was a commercial prooduct, and I do not > have a clue what happended to it. You might try this: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/archiveutil/TARInspector1.0.NISH.bs.tar.gz TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 06:22:42 -0600 From: Karsten.Heinze@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE Subject: PointCast with SoftPC 4.1 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Message-ID: <854194250.22260@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News USENET Posting Service Hi, Did somebody run PointCast within SoftPC 4.1 ? NetScape 3.0-16 with Java and IE3 runs fine in SoftPC, but PointCast can't connect. Any ideas ? Thanks, - Karsten --- Karsten.Heinze@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE Phone / Fax : +86-10-64 94 78 03 *** Powered_By_NEXTSTEP *** -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: SoftPC 4.1 - Typing problem Date: 25 Jan 1997 13:36:09 GMT Organization: via Direct Connection News service Message-ID: <5cd289$otr$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> Anyone have this problem? You type in a SoftPC window but not all keys you press are passed on to the window - sometimes a single keypress yields TWO keys on screen - sometime the keys appear in all caps no matter what you do. -- Barton Friedland barton@clmuk.com Camilla Lowther Management 0171 727 6242 phone Top Floor, 19 All Saints Road 0171 792 0587 fax London W11 1HE
From: Lars Immisch <lars@ibp.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: DOS filename extension for FrameMaker documents? Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:19:35 +0100 Organization: Immisch, Becker & Partner Message-ID: <32E88CB7.243A@ibp.de> References: <5c9c1u$hm8@agate.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Izumi Ohzawa wrote: > > What 3-letter extensions should I use when copying NEXTSTEP FrameMaker > documents onto a DOS floppy? > > Specifically for: > *.frame --> > *.framemif --> The 3.x Windows FrameMaker used .doc and .mif. This using .doc was slightly nasty because Word also used .doc; now FrameMaker 5 uses .fm and .mif Lars -- mailto:lars@ibp.de http://www.ibp.de/~lars Yesterdays yellow yoyo can make you yawn today
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Repeated:Help with Slip/PPP on NS2.1 Date: 25 Jan 1997 14:41:06 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5cd622$2k0@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Dear Netters I apologize for the bandwidth. I am seeking info from someone who has succesfully put ppp or SLIP onto a pizza box running 2.1. Please share the name of the program and some clues which do the trick. Thank you in advance guys! Ioannis
From: Terry Gliedt <tpg@fv.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTSTATION as a web server Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:59:01 -0500 Organization: First Virtual Holdings Message-ID: <32EA2DC5.5036E033@fv.com> References: <colin-2301972315330001@anderson.vt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Colin Anderson <colin@rice.edu> Colin Anderson wrote: > > I'm a new NeXT user (been a Mac user for 8 years, BeOS for 2 months). I > bought a NeXTSTATION to see what the NeXT fuss was all about. I've quickly > grown to love the machine and I would like to put it to use as a web > server. If you can help me, please send me an e-mail message. The Apache server (http://www.apache.org) will do nicely on your NeXTstation. -- =================================================================== Terry Gliedt tpg@fv.com MIME OK First Virtual Holdings http://www.fv.com/ http://www.hps.com/~tpg/
From: Brian Sutherland <bcs@onramp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Networking NeXTs Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:58:45 -0600 Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <32EA3BC5.7858@onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXT Turbo Dimension and NeXT Turbo Color Station. One has a NeXT Color Printer and one has a CDROM drive. I want to be able to share these devices between the two computers. I only have the Academic version of NeXTSTEP 3.3 and no real good manuals. I do not know how to set up a Netinfo or any type of NeXT server. Can anyone help me via email or phone? Or if you have any lead to where I can find NeXT networking information it would be helpful. Please reply to both email and newsgroup so I do not miss your answer. Thanx -Brian bcs@onramp.net
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: MouseX problem -- slow and locks up Date: 24 Jan 97 22:54:53 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32e93dbd.0@192.33.12.30> Hey there, I've got two problems with MouseX on my station. 1) It's slow. I used to be running a mono 25mhz machine, and it ran fine. Now I've got a 33 mhz color turbo, and it runs very slowly. Even things that do not use a lot of graphics (which I thought was slowing it down) take a long time. 2) Atfer I use the command-delete combo to get back to NeXTstep, and then use Xfe.app to return to Xwindows, Xfe.app will get stuck in a loop, and never return to Xwindows. I thought that perhaps the problem was the one outlined in the help window of Xfe.app, and I tried adding the appropriate xmodmap commands to my .xinitrc. I'm still having the problem however. Does anybody know what these problems are all about? Is there a commercial solution that will fix these problems -- I need Xwindows apps to do work sometimes, and right now it's kind of unreliable. Thanks for the help! -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: royalta@jenike.com Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: 18 Jan 1997 17:25:12 GMT Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5br11o$h14@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Cc: jones.948@osu.edu In <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Steve Jones wrote: > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? > > Steve > I can't remember if it was introduced in NeXTSTEP 2.0 or 3.0 ± originally it was called a Black Hole. In any case, 3.0 came out in 1991-92 which was obviously many years before win95.
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> From: shill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean Hill) Message-ID: <32e10f23.0@cisun2000.unil.ch> Date: 18 Jan 97 17:57:55 GMT jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) wrote: > I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? > > Steve Sure did.... Also it had the [X] close box, and a few other bits of the look and feel of Win '95 in NEXTSTEP '89... Although, I think until NEXTSTEP 3.0 the Recycler had been a blackhole which was kind of cool.
From: kroger@ucla.edu (kroger@ucla.edu) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:00:55 -0700 Organization: UCLA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> In article <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com>, mic@micmac.com wrote: > This was written in > comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep > (<jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com>) by Jason > S.: > > > Excuse me? My post was obviously pointing out just how petty an > argument > > over who posted what first was. > > First, you were not invited to comment on this! > Second, the history of the posting had its importance in that case. But > that's beyond you... > Not invited to comment? Not invited to comment? You post on usenet for millions to see and you say somebody was not invited to comment? How big an idiot can somebody be? I don't know what your argument was about (nor do I care) but I don't like to miss a chance to tell an idiot what an idiot he is.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701241434.JAA10388@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: c2ab5c115ce7705a2be557696f0122bb - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 09:34:12 -0500 Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com, info@impact.com References: c2ab5c115ce7705a2be557696f0122bb - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Original Date: 23 Jan 1997 20:34:01 GMT > Actually, there are/were several apps that managed Tar files > > enTar is one, but there have been several others. Check the peak > archive. I put a call in this morning to Impact Software Publishing, Inc and left them a message asking them to let me know if enTar is still available. ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/util/enTar3.1.NIHS.tar.gz ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/util/enTar3.1.README The README also talks about a new version of the program that was "scheduled to be released in July 1995" but I'm not sure if that ever made it out of the door. Anyway, none of the programs that I have seen were able to do anything with .tar.gz files (such as listing, extracting single or multiple files) -- they just dealt with .tar files I'd love to be wrong about this! If so, someone tell me! TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What's happened to Lighthouse? Date: 25 Jan 1997 23:25:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970125232500.SAA21030@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5cb04h$67d@idiom.com> I would like to ask however, along a similar vein if anyone knows if their wonderful academic pricing has survived the purchase by Sun? I've been thinking of purchasing WetPaint and OpenWrite from them. The Academic pages were a bit tattered the last time I checked. William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:04:47 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Message-ID: <E4L3zz.7rH@micmac.com> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970113115411.7526A-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> <E47tt4.2sv@micmac.com> <5c0nvp$agt@odyssey.cognex.com> <5cb2de$ofj@news.xmission.com> <32E918DB.6C5E0FD7@screaming.org> Cc: pohl@screaming.org This was written in comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy (<32E918DB.6C5E0FD7@screaming.org>) by Pohl Longsine: > I have to agree. X tends to terrify the uninitiated, so > the honor truly goes to NeXTstep -- a system that I've never > known to terrify anybody. Except some who have never seen one. =;) mc
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:58:06 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> <SNIP> > Lance, I'm a programmer, and from a programmer point of view it was >possible to write 32-bit code without contortions on 68K from its inception >(and have that code continue to run without modification on later models >with larger physical address spaces). This did not become true on x86 >until two unique memory models and some years later (80386). > > I'm a programmer too. If I find myself thinking about register size, I'm usually dealing with a performance issue. At that point I'm interested in the size of the data path and clock speed as much as register size. Depending on what's going on, I might me interested in address size too. Of course if you're writing compilers, assemblers or libraries, you might have a different take. From what I've seen, people who use higher level lanugages could care less about bitness - other than bragging rights. They seem interested in speed only. It's not like they have much say about library or API performance anyway. Fact is, you can do anything with a 4-bit ALU that can be done with a 32-bit ALU and if the langugage you're dealing with has the right support, bitness is faily transparent. >> > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers >> >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and >> >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium >> >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted >> >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a >> >processor. >> > >> >> Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by >> computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you >> mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > > So was it accepted in 1982 or not? > As I recall, the rage in 1982 was about data bus size vs. ALU size in determining bitness. The Z-80 could do 16-bit register and indirect arithmetic but was labeled an 8-bit processor. The 6502 couldn't do either but was still labeled 8-bit. Personally, I prefer data bus size as the indicator of bitness. However, this is one holy war I'll pass on for now.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hhoff@schwaben.de.NOSPAM (Holger Hoffstaette) Subject: I don't grok NSCMYKAdjust - bad colors in 8 bit Sender: news@flop.schwaben.de Organization: NeXT Ghetto People feat. St.Eve Message-ID: <E4GtMw.Et@flop.schwaben.de> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:30:32 GMT This issue already came up some time ago, so here's a rerun.. According to the 4.x release notes, the window server does CMYK color adjustment by default. I tried to turn this off by issuing a defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSCMYKAdjust NO But this doesn't seem to have any effect on 3.3 apps, so I also tried the 3.3 equivalent NXCMYKAdjust - still no luck. Whenever I open e.g. a JPEG picture with a viewer, the resulting image looks like a bad 16 color copy. :( Most notably this happens whenever OmniImageFilter kicks in. NEXTIME movies have lost a lot of quality, too. Is there any way I can just turn off whatever changes were made between 3.3 and 4.x and get the old 8-bit look back? Pretty please? Holger -- Object web weaver | @work: hhoff@media-group.de Media group | @home: hhoff@schwaben.de (NeXTmail & PGP ok) Stuttgart, Germany | OPENSTEP. Resistance is futile.
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: setting dns Date: 23 Jan 1997 17:42:24 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5c87u0$sai$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <glenn-ya02408000R2201971616430001@news.europa.com> glenn@nowsoft.com (Tod L. Glenn) wrote: >Greetings, > >I am trying to determine how to set the dns address on NeXTstep 3.3. I >found where to configure IP address and router. Any help is appreciated. >This is a lone NeXT box in a mac and PC shop. > >---- >Tod L. Glenn >Internet Services Administrator >Now Software ITG >webmaster@nowsoft.com >---- >http://www.nowsoft.com >ftp://ftp.nowsoft.com >listserv@nowsoft.com If, by dns address, you mean what the address of your dns server is, then set up a file called /etc/resolv.conf with the following lines domain domain.name # This is your domain nameserver ip.address # The first dns nameserver nameserver ip.address # Another dns nameserver See man 5 resolver for more info. --Ryan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701251444.JAA03401@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: ab7f5bd23b4e3f8e89c02a922d40eda4 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 97 09:44:03 -0500 Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: sendmail 8.8.5 Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: ab7f5bd23b4e3f8e89c02a922d40eda4 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Original Date: 24 Jan 1997 21:24:41 GMT > Could someone comment on those "risks", and on the advantages of > replacing NeXT's sendmail ? 89.4% of the time, the "use at your own risk" message is simply the author's way of protecting their own hiney. Not that it is a bad idea, and in fact I use it myself. The "risks" as I know them, are: 1) your current setup may already work, and by upgrading you may break something 2) your current setup may not work, but if you hose NetInfo, that would be worse 3) this new version of sendmail may have some horrible as-yet-unknown-bug and you may be putting a gaping security hole on your system The advantages are: 1) the new features, such as the "masquerade_as" feature, which allows PPP users to get correct "From" lines without having to muck with rulesets in sendmail. That gets rid of risk #1. 2) if your current setup does work, you may want to leave it alone (provided you are aware of whatever bugs/security holes are in that version, but there are instructions for upgrading which I found to make it all very easy (there goes risk #2, for the most part) 3) the question is do you prefer new features and new bugs/flaws, or can you get along with the old features and old bugs/flaws. For me, I wanted to have the newer sendmail to use the masquerade_as feature, and to do a few other things that was made easier by not having to muck with rulesets. There is an excellent set of instructions to install sendmail, which you can find at my NeXTStep page, under the "Other sites" heading (http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next) TjL ps -- the instructions are for 8.7.5, but work for the current release. Note: I upgraded to 8.8.2 when it came out (from 8.7.5, which I upgraded to using the instructions I mentioned above) and 8.8.4. Since going to 8.7.5, the upgrades after that, for me, have been as easy as installing the new sendmail package and rebooting, because all my info has stayed the same; so "upgrading" sendmail has been remarkably simple. -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: cb@guinan.mm.se (Christian Brunschen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Loginwindow Workspace hook Date: 25 Jan 1997 23:56:20 GMT Organization: - Message-ID: <5ce6j4$aim@mn5.swip.net> Keywords: loginwindow dwrite Workspace hook Hi, I am trying to start a different program than Workspace at login time. The manual page for 'loginwindow' states that dwrite loginwindow Workspace /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram should make loginwindow start /Users/cb/bin/loginprogram instead of Workspace.app at login time. I have tried doing just that. Result ? Nothing. No change in the behaviour of loginwindow. Workspace still gets started, and my program doesn't. I am running 3.3 on Black 040 hardware. If anyone has any ideas, please share them with me. A search at NeXTAnswers revealed nothing. Best regards, // Christian Brunschen -- -- Christian Brunschen cb@mm.se
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTSTATION as a web server Date: 26 Jan 1997 05:31:12 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5ceq70$47e@news.digifix.com> References: <colin-2301972315330001@anderson.vt.com> <32EA2DC5.5036E033@fv.com> In-Reply-To: <32EA2DC5.5036E033@fv.com> On 01/25/97, Terry Gliedt wrote: >Colin Anderson wrote: >> >> I'm a new NeXT user (been a Mac user for 8 years, BeOS for 2 months). I >> bought a NeXTSTATION to see what the NeXT fuss was all about. I've quickly >> grown to love the machine and I would like to put it to use as a web >> server. If you can help me, please send me an e-mail message. > > >The Apache server (http://www.apache.org) will do nicely on your >NeXTstation. Yeah, the current (1.1.3) version compiles without a hassle on 4.1... Old black hardware isn't something I'd want to serve more than 6000 small-ish documents a day on. And you'll want to run at LEAST 3.3p1. Oh, and turn off the hostaddress dns stuff... :-) -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Real Audio Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:49:31 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32EB0C82.DC9@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <5c8593$rql@newstand.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jacques Lewin <jlewin@whatnext.syr.edu> Jacques Lewin wrote: > > Is there a version of the real audio app for Next? ( So I can liosten to > National Public Radio stuff?) Check out following web-site: http://www.this.net/~frank/franksprojects.html http://www.this.net/~frank/CyberRadio1_NS.tar.gz YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP Q&A Board & Info written by Korean)
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS 2.x apps on NS 3.x Date: 20 Jan 1997 05:51:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970120055100.AAA06773@ladder01.news.aol.com> Uh, I tried to get FrameMaker 2.0d to work on my cube after intalling NS 3.1--no go--Anyone know of a patch? Is there a list of software which isn't compatible between versions? William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 17 Jan 1997 19:24:37 GMT Message-ID: <slrn5dvkfg.r74.darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com> References: <5bk49q$d31@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> <rbarris-ya023280001501972306580001@news.quicksilver.com> <doenges.853411327@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <32DFCD07.3AAE@Fujitsu.com.au> >> In fact, some early (~70s) computer had a >> 12 bit CPU (can't remeber what it was and who made it) that worked bit >> seriell internally, but nobody would call it a one bit computer. Burroughs had a variable-bit computer. Word size was not fixed, at least not in the instruction stream. It was stack-based, so you couldn't classify it based on register size. Don't know details about it, it may have had an upper limit based on the ALU though. -- Darin Johnson darin@connectnet.com
From: h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Nextstep Swapspace Date: 26 Jan 1997 14:44:24 GMT Organization: University of Economics and Business Administration, Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> Who else is complaining about the way Nextstep handles the swapspace on disk? After swapping files to the disk Nextstep isn't clearing up the space until the user makes a reboot. That is somehow stupid if you don't have much RAM and if you are working with large files. Is there a way to compensate this bad handling with e.g. a patch? Guenther
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: Foundation Classes Message-ID: <E4n4J0.DA5@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <notmy-2401972128300001@cu-dialup-1001.cit.cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:11:24 GMT In article <notmy-2401972128300001@cu-dialup-1001.cit.cornell.edu> notmy@address.org (Collin) writes: > Hi > > I'm trying to get OmniPDF and OmniWeb to run on my NeXTCube, > but since I'm > running NS 3.2 I don't believe I have the Foundation classes which Omni > says are necessary to run their apps. So the questions...how can I get > the foundation classes onto my machine, short of buying a NS 3.3 CD? Is > it possible to get them to run under 3.2? If not what should I do for > PDF viewing and web browsing? > > Thanks in advance...Collin > > ------- > Sorry, I'm tired of junk email, so my reply address is invalid. > clp5@cornell.edu Download and apply the foundation kit user patch. You can download it from NeXT. I did it for a customer that did not want to upgrade to 3.3 (for obvious reasons). It works for 3.2. After applying the patch, you can run the Omni apps. hugob@tamtam.xs4aqll.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: sendmail 8.8.5 Message-ID: <E4n5xF.DCz@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <5cb9ap$leo$1@athena.ulaval.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:41:39 GMT In article <5cb9ap$leo$1@athena.ulaval.ca> antoine.gautier@fsa.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) writes: > Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> wrote: > ... > % Finally, a decent up-to-date sendmail for NEXTSTEP! This latest > % version is compiled for multiple architectures (NeXT m68k, Intel x86, > % HP PA-RISC, Sun SPARC), supports NetInfo, NIS, smrsh (sendmail > ... > % I recommend that you pick up a copy of the O'Reilly and Associates > % book on sendmail before using this version of sendmail. Furthermore, > % the installation and use of this software is entirely at your own > % risk. Read the README notice for more details. > > Hello, > > Could someone comment on those "risks", and on the advantages of > replacing NeXT's sendmail ? > > Thanks! > If you are happy with your current version of sendmail, skip the remainder and forget about upgrading. If you are not, buy the O'Reilly book (as suggested by the original poster). This book is a comprehensive nutshell introduction to sendmail. It is about 800 pages... If you are at about page 200, you should understand why playing with sendmail can be risky. In case you are curious: I started playing with sendmail after finishing page 100. Until now I did not recover from different versions of sendmail using different versions of sendmail.cf, different versions of the uucp environment, and different versions of sendmail using flat files, netinfo and/or the Unix db database system. Unix haters will love this, but there is no alternative. Sendmail is administrators heaven, if compared with M$ Exchange :-) (although my Exchange survival guide is 780 pages only). hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl .
From: mrgoat@primenet.om (Mr_Goat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: wanted to buy: Openstep/intel Date: 27 Jan 1997 01:05:05 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <32ec611e.1439708@news.primenet.com> If anyone has this for sale, please email me at mrgoat@primenet.com, thanks! Grant Schenk
From: mrgoat@primenet.om (Mr_Goat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: wanted to buy: Openstep/intel Date: 27 Jan 1997 01:44:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <32ec6a24.3749784@news.primenet.com> References: <32ec611e.1439708@news.primenet.com> Please forgive that last post as I am new to NeXT stuff, the product I wanted was not Openstep it is NeXTSTEP/Intel. Thanks. Grant
From: notmy@address.org (Collin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WriteNow & Floppies Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:41:50 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Sender: clp5@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <notmy-2701971441500001@cu-dialup-1005.cit.cornell.edu> Hello all, I have a copy of WriteNow v2 for NeXT, but it is on floppy and since my system is an upgraded NeXT Computer it only has an OD. I'd like to get this onto my system, but I'm at a loss for how to do it. Here are some ideas... 1. Does the NeXTCube use any sort of standard floppy drive? In other words, can I pull one out of my Mac or PC and plug it into the NeXT to get this app loaded? It's seems to be only an 1.44MB disk not a 2.88. 2. Would anyone be willing to mail me a copy of WriteNow? I have all the documentation, serial numbers, and even the box as proof of purchase. I can scan anything and send it off as proof or answer trivia (what's the 3rd word on the 3rd page of the manual). 3. Is there anyone out there at Cornell that has a NeXT with a floppy drive who would be willing to let me use it for a moment to ftp the disk to myself? 4. Can you get a Mac or PC to read NeXT floppies. (I doubt it, but it's worth a shot) Any other solutions? I'm not really looking to buy a floppy right now (no space in the Cube and no money in the pocket), but any other suggestions would be helpful. Collin ------- Sorry, I'm tired of junk email, so my reply address is invalid. clp5@cornell.edu
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WTD: TIPTOP comms software Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:18:07 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <32EBCA0E.34FA@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: gpacho1 I need tip top communications software for NS 3.2 Black. -Greg
From: fh@crosslink.net () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: help:can't compile Samba.. Date: 27 Jan 1997 21:37:51 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Message-ID: <5cj77f$i29$1@kronos.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-User: fh I've had misery trying to compile samba-1.9.16p9 and was wondering if anyone has got it going... It apparently doesn't like the linker... I tried replacing it using the GNU linker but in gnu's binutils, it doesn't like i386-next3.x as a target so I couldn't create a gnu ld.. Is the problem with the linker at all? Here's the output from make: # make Using CFLAGS = -O -DSMBLOGFILE="/usr/local/samba/var/log.smb" -DNMBLOGFILE="/usr/local/samba/var/log.nmb" -DCONFIGFILE="/usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf" -DLMHOSTSFILE="/usr/local/samba/lib/lmhosts" -DLOCKDIR="/usr/local/samba/var/locks" -DSMBRUN="/usr/local/samba/bin/smbrun" -DWORKGROUP="WORKGROUP" -DGUEST_ACCOUNT="nobody" -DNEXT3_0 -arch i386 Using LIBS = Compiling server.c Compiling predict.c [ snip... ] Compiling uid.c Linking smbd ld: Undefined symbols: _waitpid make: *** [smbd] Error 1 # Thanks in advance for advice... -- Ted --- \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o | /\ __\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ ../.\...|.\../).|....(.\../o\../.)....|..(\../.|.../.\.../.\. Ted Okada <ted@fh.org> | http://www.fh.org/ Director | gopher://gopher.fh.org Washington D.C. Bureau | ftp://ftp.fh.org Food For The Hungry | ytalk:fh@shell.crosslink.net ---
From: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need Shakespeare FTP'd Date: 27 Jan 1997 04:58:16 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5chcl8$br$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Would there be anyone out there who will FTP me some Shakespeare files, the Sonnets and Poems, bundled on early releases of NextStep. These came with complete Shakespeare. I accidentally trashed my 'Sonnets ....' files; I do have the rest of the Shkspre intact. Thank you Seamus -- If I can't die happily-- I'd rather not die at all. Anon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: robert@onevision.de (Robert Wunderer) Subject: Re: restore Boot sector after installing Win95 Message-ID: <E4oA2q.1Gx@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <E4DKCv.J8M@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:08:50 GMT In article <E4DKCv.J8M@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> liu@earth.seas.ucla.edu (W. Liu) writes: > I have two patitions on my hard diak for both DOS and NeXT. > Recently I upgraded the Win3.1 to Win95. And I found the boot sector was also modified automatically. Anyone knows how I could still have the choice to go either Win95 or NeXT at the very beginning of booting? > Certainly I don't want to re-install NeXT stuff once again. > Thanks in advance. > Win95 replaces the bootsector of your harddisk with its own automatically during setup (as you have already seen). All you have to do is to boot NextStep and bring the NextStep boot loader back into place. In order to boot NextStep open MS-DOS window under Win95 and start fdisk. Go to the active partition (or similar) window and activate the NON-DOS (=NextStep) partition. Save the changes and reboot. You'll be taken directly to the NextStep boot prompt. Boot NextStep and log in as root. Open a shell window using /NextApps/Terminal.app and execute disk -b /dev/RAW_DEVICE, where RAW_DEVICE is your boot disk, for example /dev/rsd0h. This will write the NextStep boot loader into the boot block of your harddisk. Reboot your machine and you'll be asked to boot either DOS(=Win95) or NextStep. If you don't choose one within a few seconds, the one whose partition is acitivated will be loaded automatically. Hope this helps, Robert. ========================================================================== Robert Wunderer OneVision GmbH Support Zeissstrasse 9 Email:robert@onevision.de 93053 Regensburg (NextMail,MIME welcome) Germany ==========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: robert@onevision.de (Robert Wunderer) Subject: Re: HELP! User account keeps quitting... Message-ID: <E4oAGr.1I9@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <5c7510$mdk$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:17:15 GMT In article <5c7510$mdk$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus Dunne) writes: > PROBLEM: When I login as user, the usual, expected things happen: dock > appears Desktop seems to build, THEN the color wheel (or beach ball, if > you prefer) spins for a few seconds and THEN the machine quits, reverting > back to the login box-----again and again. > > However, if I login as root everything is OK. I've created yet another > user account, no problems, then logged out and tried logging in as the > new user, but to no avail. Same story as the 1st user. Also I've > inspected the all of the "dot-files (like .NeXT). Nothing seems to be > out of order. Tried changing their names temporarily (to .33Appinfo from > .Appinfo, for example), [after making a copy of these, for safety > reasons]. Still no dice. > > Any suggestions? Thank you in advance... answer here or my email: > dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca Seamus > > > > -- > If I can't die happily-- > I'd rather not die at all. > Anon Hi Seamus, one reason could be bad permissions on your root directory. Have a look at your computer's root directory via the Inspector. Everyone should be allowed to do all (read write execute). If this differs, change the permissions (_NOT_ recursively!). Another reason could be that your NextStep system is seriously damaged (very precise, I know, but I'm still not sure what really causes this problem). In this case try reinstalling your system -:((. If you have an idea of another solution, I would appreciate if you informed me (perhaps by email). Robert. -- ========================================================================== == Robert Wunderer OneVision GmbH Support Zeissstrasse 9 Email:robert@onevision.de 93053 Regensburg (NextMail,MIME welcome) Germany ========================================================================== ==
From: royalta@jenike.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WTD: TIPTOP comms software Date: 27 Jan 1997 03:19:25 GMT Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Message-ID: <5ch6rt$qk0@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <32EBCA0E.34FA@gl.umbc.edu> Cc: gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu In <32EBCA0E.34FA@gl.umbc.edu> Gregory Pacholczyk wrote: > I need tip top communications software for NS 3.2 Black. > -Greg >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701261632.LAA03929@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: ef88bac152b716c52f969a688af3024d - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 97 11:32:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Foundation Classes Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: ef88bac152b716c52f969a688af3024d - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: clp5@cornell.edu (Collin) Original Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:28:29 -0500 Message-ID: ef88bac152b716c52f969a688af3024d - > I don't believe I have the Foundation classes which Omni > says are necessary to run their apps. So the questions...how can I > get the foundation classes onto my machine, short of buying a NS > 3.3 CD? Is it possible to get them to run under 3.2? If not what > should I do for PDF viewing and web browsing? Get the FoundationUserPatch from NeXTAnswers. It is linked to my NeXT web page, under "other sites" TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Date: 27 Jan 1997 03:22:00 GMT Organization: SPC Message-ID: <5ch70o$stl$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> References: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> In-Reply-To: <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> Lets kill this thread before it takes off! [...] complains about Openstep Mach VM inefficiency deleted, keeping only imprecise or incorrect statements about Mach VM: >After swapping files to the disk Nextstep isn't clearing up the >space until the user makes a reboot. growing, growing, growing... NO MORE SPACE ON HARD DRIVE 8^) >The info is somewhere in NeXTAnswers. Indeed, a good primer on virtual memory with nice illustrations can be found at http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1020.htmld/1020.html >I just want the machine to reclaim the swap when an app is shutdown, >how hard can this be for NeXT to fix? Maybe the new Mach kernel >will solve this problem. > The *actual* kernel solves this, just boot with the following option: -reclaimFreedPage YES (I don't know why, but the system default is NO). Ok, ok... I'm joking, But stangely enough I was chatting lately with Avie about precisely that subject... 8^) Here's the real story about Mach VM from no less then the expert! (by the way, if you haven't yet read the TechWire interview, jump to http://techweb1.web.cerf.net/wire/news/0110nextqa.html !) \begin{repost from comp.sys.next.misc, Jun 1994} From: avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? In article <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > Oh well... can someone more informed than me *please* take up > this discussion, because I don't have enough knowledge on this > to come to the correct conclusion. Here's the facts on how swapfiles work: For every page in the swapfile, the kernel maintains status telling whether that page is in use or not. When a swapfile it enabled (mach_swapon), it is truncated to lowat and each page is flagged as free. When the page out daemon requests a page to be swapped out, the pager locates the first free page in the swapfile (actually, there is an algorithm to determine which swapfile is used, if more than one is enabled, but I will omit this from the discussion). The first free page is defined as the lowest numbered page. As more and more memory is consumed by processes, higher and higher numbered pages are used. When all pages in the swapfile are in use, and additional page out causes the swapfile to be extended in size. This occurs until hiwat is reached. If hiwat is reached, or if the file system is out of space, the page will be left in memory (unless there is another swapfile enabled that can be used). If the system stays in this state, it will eventually be full of dirty pages which can not be paged out. When this happens, the system comes to a grinding halt as it is forced to use fewer and fewer pages of memory (memory is filled with dirty pages that can not be paged out). Now, it gets interesting when we consider what happens when memory is freed. In particular, when a process exits or calls vm_deallocate, the VM system attempts to free any memory that was associated with the appropriate regions of virtual memory. When memory is shared, it simply makes a note that there is one fewer reference to the shared memory (or copy-on-written memory) and no further action is taken. If this is the last reference to the memory, any corresponding physical pages are freed from main memory and any corresponding pages in the swapfile are tagged as free. A subsequent allocation of page on the swapfile will most definitely reuse this page! When a page is freed, if it is the highest page in the swapfile, the swapfile will be truncated all the way down to the highest page in use (down to lowat). In practice, this happens rarely. The basic problem is that if you have a long running process use a very high number paged (e.g., if the Windowserver allocates a high numbered page) the swapfile will not get truncated until that process exits --- which could be a very long time. When this happens due to a core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot be restarted unless the system is rebooted, your swapfile will remain large. Still, there can be lots of free pages in the swapfile file, and rest assured they will be reused! So why don't we compact the swapfile to handle these pages that get allocated at high page numbers? Good question. We've considered doing it many times. However, it has always been considered a quite risky change (how many of YOU have debugged a virtual memory system before) and would need to be done very carefully to ensure correctness and adequate performance. As an example, it would not be acceptable to just start a compaction and cause the system to lock up as the kernel does several megabytes of I/O for the compaction. The relative merits of making this improvement has never outweighted the costs in risk and the opportunity costs of not working on other parts of the system. I'm not saying we'll never do it, I'm just saying we haven't done it yet for some carefully considered reasons. Having said all of this, why do so many people seem to have problems with their swapfiles? Here are some possible explanations: 1) Not everyone realizes just how much memory their apps use. As has been mentioned before, the Windowserver keeps backing store for all the windows (on or off screen). On 16-bit color systems this can be quite large, on 24-bit systems its downright huge! Simple images on the screen can translate into megabytes of storage. Mathematica sessions are notorious for consuming 10's or even 100's of megabytes of VM. 2) Programs occasionally have memory leaks. We work hard to be sure that the software we release does not have leaks. There's a reason we developed MallocDebug! I think we do pretty well, but I'm sure there are some bugs. For example, the Windowserver, with it's printer heritage, has long had problems with correctly managing its memory. On the printers they just "reset" the memory heap for each new job --- we can't do that. If/when the Windowserver leaks we get a double whammy since not only do we leak a small amount of memory, but the Windowserver is a long running process and tends to hog those high numbered pages. I think NEXTSTEP ISV's generally do a good job too, but it only takes one or two apps to leak memory and cause problems. 3) As many of you know, Mach has a quite advanced virtual memory scheme, which NEXTSTEP makes excellent use of. Features like copy-on-write and pageable read/write sharing can cause complex relationships between memory and how it is mapped into one or more processes. There is one known optimization that the kernel does (specifically the coalescing of adjacent memory regions when backing store has not yet been allocated --- for those of you Mach VM literate) which sometimes causes the freeing of some memory to be delayed until a process has exited. The situations when this happens are fairly rare, and worse case the memory is freed when the process exits, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is the cause of isolated problems. I personally think the Mach swapfile solution is quite good. I'm obviously biased though. Sure, there are a few things I think could be improved, but that's true of any piece of software. Overall I think we've made some reasonable trade-offs. I also think swapfile management is fairly bug-free. We know we can improve the situation is (3) above (but it is difficult). Certainly if anyone has any other possible reasons for swapfile growth, especially with concrete examples of programs, let us know so we can investigate! I'd be more than happy to read suggestions others have on improving how swapfiles work. I can't guarantee we'll implement them, but you never know! I hope this sheds a little light on the whole swapfile discussion. Somehow I think it will still continue on --- but hopefully it can be grounded with a few more facts now. Avie \end{repost} -- Raymond Lutz, lutzray@9bit.qc.ca "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
From: randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu (Randy Jackson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: vgrind help? Problem solved! Date: 27 Jan 1997 15:02:05 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <5cig1d$bm8@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <5bltdk$ioq@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>?nus` <5cfv2r$lf6@papoose.quick.com> In-Reply-To: <5cfv2r$lf6@papoose.quick.com> Thank you Mr. Quick! Your response solved my vgrind problem. And here I thought big and little endian problems were mostly a thing of the past. Silly me. Randy J On 01/26/97, James E. Quick wrote: >In article <5bltdk$ioq@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, >Randy Jackson <randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >>When I try to use vgrind, I get the following: >> >># vgrind area.cc >>pscat: trouble reading .ct file >>lpr: stdin: empty input file >># >> >> >>What do I need to do to so that vgrind works? > >Ahah . . . You did not mention what architecture or version you >are using but it sounds to me like you are on an intel box. The @?Correct assumption.@ >transcript font files are endian dependant, and I think that they >are compiled bigendian on the CD. What you need to do is rebuild >these fonts. > >This is complicated somewhat by the fact that the script used for >rebuilding includes a configuration script which hardcodes a path >specific to the original source environment, not the installation >environment. > >Try this: >cd /usr/lib/transcript/troff.font > >Modify the script fragment ./config so that: > PSLIBDIR=$REALPSLIBDIR > >Now move the current font directories out of the way since the build >script will not build a new font directory if the old one is in place. > mkdir old > for map in *.map > do $dir=`basename $map .map` > mv $dir old/ > done > >Now that you have moved the old font directories out of the way, >build new ones. > for map in *.map > do $dir=`basename $map .map` > ./addtroff.sh $dir $map > done > >Now if you are satified, you can now delete the old dir. >-- > ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com > / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. >\_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 > ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished. > -- Randy Jackson, Associate Professor ,_ o __o Geography, The Ohio State University / //\, _`\<,_ 1036 Derby Hall, 154 North Oval Mall \>> | (*)/ (*) Columbus OH 43210-1361 \\, FAX (614) 292 6213 randyj@lubra.sbs.ohio-state.edu http://www.geography.ohio-state.edu/faculty/jackson/
From: Brian Ward <bward@attila.stevens-tech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Netscape Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:49:25 -0500 Organization: Stevens Institute of Technology Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.94.970127114801.12887A-100000@attila.stevens-tech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any version of netscape that will work with NeXTSTEP? Is there any good webbrowsers?
From: aconti@interaccess.com (Aaron J. Conti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: miscTableScroll object in the MiscKit Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 10:35:08 PST Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Message-ID: <5cilns$ddn@nntp.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 I am trying to use the table scroll from the miscKit. So far, I have used it in a couple different programs. Every time that I have used it so far, it has only been for displaying information. This allows me to fill all of the fields in the table programatically. Now I need to use it to display a list of item and let the user fill in values in the second and third columns. I can't seem to figure out what I am not setting to allow the user to select a single cell as apposed to a row and enter data into the cell. Any information on how to do this (or if it is impossible) would be appreciated. Please respond by e-mail to prichard@isdinc.com. I don't have reqular news access and had to borrow somebody else's account for this. Peter Richardson prichard@isdinc.com
From: Charles Wiles <charles@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.linux.development.system Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Date: 27 Jan 1997 16:45:19 GMT Organization: Physics Teaching Course, Oxford Message-ID: <5cim2v$3v6@news.ox.ac.uk> References: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> <5ch70o$stl$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> Whilst interesting to read again what Avie Tevanian himself had to say about NeXTSTEP's swapping methodology, it only explains why NeXTSTEP can be prone to thrashing, rather than offer any solutions. Personally, I've always thought that swap _partitions_ should be supported too (as they are in most other Unixes: dedicated swapdisks aren't always feasible). Its O-O nature and sophisticated GUI features make NeXSTEP intrinsically memory-hungry and I think this is a genuine issue which needs urgent attention from the NeXT/Apple engineers. My reason for cross-posting to the Linux development group [apologies to Linux people for dropping such a long posting on you out of the blue], is that it might be beneficial for Avie et al to discuss swapping strategies with some of the Linux kernel experts, who are more likely than most to have worked out a novel, highly efficient solution to this problem. At the end of his posting, Avie says he would be "more than happy to read suggestions others have on improving how swapfiles work". regards, charles ____________________________________________________________________________ Charles Wiles, Unix/NeXT Systems Manager, Physics Practical Course Dept of Physics NAPL, University of Oxford, Keble Rd, OXFORD OX1 3RH, UK Raymond Lutz <lutzray@9bit.qc.ca> wrote: > Lets kill this thread before it takes off! > > [...] complains about Openstep Mach VM inefficiency deleted, keeping > only imprecise or incorrect statements about Mach VM: > > >After swapping files to the disk Nextstep isn't clearing up the > >space until the user makes a reboot. > > growing, growing, growing... NO MORE SPACE ON HARD DRIVE > > 8^) > > >The info is somewhere in NeXTAnswers. > > Indeed, a good primer on virtual memory with nice illustrations can be > found at > > http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1020.htmld/1020.html > > >I just want the machine to reclaim the swap when an app is shutdown, > >how hard can this be for NeXT to fix? Maybe the new Mach kernel > >will solve this problem. > > > > The *actual* kernel solves this, just boot with the following option: > > -reclaimFreedPage YES > > (I don't know why, but the system default is NO). > > Ok, ok... I'm joking, > > But stangely enough I was chatting lately with Avie about precisely > that subject... 8^) Here's the real story about Mach VM from no less > then the expert! > > (by the way, if you haven't yet read the TechWire interview, jump to > http://techweb1.web.cerf.net/wire/news/0110nextqa.html !) > > > \begin{repost from comp.sys.next.misc, Jun 1994} > > From: avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) > Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? > > In article <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> > samurai@cs.mcgill.ca > (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > > Oh well... can someone more informed than me *please* take up > > this discussion, because I don't have enough knowledge on this > > to come to the correct conclusion. > > Here's the facts on how swapfiles work: > > For every page in the swapfile, the kernel maintains status telling > whether that page is in use or not. When a swapfile it enabled > (mach_swapon), it is truncated to lowat and each page is flagged > as free. When the page out daemon requests a page to be swapped > out, the pager locates the first free page in the swapfile (actually, > there is an algorithm to determine which swapfile is used, if more > than one is enabled, but I will omit this from the discussion). > The first free page is defined as the lowest numbered page. As > more and more memory is consumed by processes, higher and higher > numbered pages are used. When all pages in the swapfile are in > use, and additional page out causes the swapfile to be extended in > size. This occurs until hiwat is reached. If hiwat is reached, > or if the file system is out of space, the page will be left in > memory (unless there is another swapfile enabled that can be used). > If the system stays in this state, it will eventually be full of > dirty pages which can not be paged out. When this happens, the > system comes to a grinding halt as it is forced to use fewer and > fewer pages of memory (memory is filled with dirty pages that can > not be paged out). > > Now, it gets interesting when we consider what happens when memory > is freed. In particular, when a process exits or calls vm_deallocate, > the VM system attempts to free any memory that was associated with > the appropriate regions of virtual memory. When memory is shared, > it simply makes a note that there is one fewer reference to the > shared memory (or copy-on-written memory) and no further action is > taken. If this is the last reference to the memory, any corresponding > physical pages are freed from main memory and any corresponding > pages in the swapfile are tagged as free. A subsequent allocation > of page on the swapfile will most definitely reuse this page! > > When a page is freed, if it is the highest page in the swapfile, > the swapfile will be truncated all the way down to the highest page > in use (down to lowat). In practice, this happens rarely. The > basic problem is that if you have a long running process use a very > high number paged (e.g., if the Windowserver allocates a high > numbered page) the swapfile will not get truncated until that > process exits --- which could be a very long time. When this > happens due to a core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot > be restarted unless the system is rebooted, your swapfile will > remain large. Still, there can be lots of free pages in the swapfile > file, and rest assured they will be reused! > > So why don't we compact the swapfile to handle these pages that > get allocated at high page numbers? Good question. We've considered > doing it many times. However, it has always been considered a > quite risky change (how many of YOU have debugged a virtual memory > system before) and would need to be done very carefully to ensure > correctness and adequate performance. As an example, it would not > be acceptable to just start a compaction and cause the system to > lock up as the kernel does several megabytes of I/O for the > compaction. The relative merits of making this improvement has > never outweighted the costs in risk and the opportunity costs of > not working on other parts of the system. I'm not saying we'll > never do it, I'm just saying we haven't done it yet for some > carefully considered reasons. > > Having said all of this, why do so many people seem to have problems > with their swapfiles? Here are some possible explanations: > > 1) Not everyone realizes just how much memory their apps use. As > has been mentioned before, the Windowserver keeps backing store > for all the windows (on or off screen). On 16-bit color systems > this can be quite large, on 24-bit systems its downright huge! > Simple images on the screen can translate into megabytes of storage. > Mathematica sessions are notorious for consuming 10's or even 100's > of megabytes of VM. > > 2) Programs occasionally have memory leaks. We work hard to be > sure that the software we release does not have leaks. There's a > reason we developed MallocDebug! I think we do pretty well, but > I'm sure there are some bugs. For example, the Windowserver, with > it's printer heritage, has long had problems with correctly managing > its memory. On the printers they just "reset" the memory heap for > each new job --- we can't do that. If/when the Windowserver leaks > we get a double whammy since not only do we leak a small amount of > memory, but the Windowserver is a long running process and tends > to hog those high numbered pages. I think NEXTSTEP ISV's generally > do a good job too, but it only takes one or two apps to leak memory > and cause problems. > > 3) As many of you know, Mach has a quite advanced virtual memory > scheme, which NEXTSTEP makes excellent use of. Features like > copy-on-write and pageable read/write sharing can cause complex > relationships between memory and how it is mapped into one or more > processes. There is one known optimization that the kernel does > (specifically the coalescing of adjacent memory regions when backing > store has not yet been allocated --- for those of you Mach VM > literate) which sometimes causes the freeing of some memory to be > delayed until a process has exited. The situations when this > happens are fairly rare, and worse case the memory is freed when > the process exits, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is the cause > of isolated problems. > > I personally think the Mach swapfile solution is quite good. I'm > obviously biased though. Sure, there are a few things I think > could be improved, but that's true of any piece of software. > Overall I think we've made some reasonable trade-offs. I also > think swapfile management is fairly bug-free. We know we can > improve the situation is (3) above (but it is difficult). Certainly > if anyone has any other possible reasons for swapfile growth, > especially with concrete examples of programs, let us know so we > can investigate! > > I'd be more than happy to read suggestions others have on improving > how swapfiles work. I can't guarantee we'll implement them, but > you never know! > > I hope this sheds a little light on the whole swapfile discussion. > Somehow I think it will still continue on --- but hopefully it can > be grounded with a few more facts now. > > Avie > > \end{repost} > > -- > Raymond Lutz, lutzray@9bit.qc.ca "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: PointCast with SoftPC 4.1 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:57:22 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E4oCBn.Jq8@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <854194250.22260@dejanews.com> In article <854194250.22260@dejanews.com> Karsten.Heinze@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE writes: > Hi, > > Did somebody run PointCast within SoftPC 4.1 ? > NetScape 3.0-16 with Java and IE3 runs fine in SoftPC, but PointCast can't connect. > Any ideas ? I'd guess it's using UDP packets. There is a bug in 4.1 relating to UDP packets - get 4.1p1. If that doesn't help 4.1p1001 is a major overhaul of the socket code which has numerous fixes in (though it might introduce more - no promises with these patches). I'd recomend getting p1, then maybe trying p1001. These should be available from ftp.insignia.com. $an Unfortunatly the fix was to remove some code which sped up DOS handling (I spent about a week trying to find a better way :-(). Windows apps should be fine, and DOS running by itself should be fine, but DOS inside windows a bit sluggish. If this isn't the case, then I'll need more info. If this is important to you, you could try 4.0 (or even hassle insignia to make you a 4.1 with the iret hooks hack back in the keyboard handler!), but be carefull about alt-tab. $an
From: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk (Roger Peppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: brk and sbrk Date: 27 Jan 1997 17:35:46 GMT Organization: Department of Electronics, University of York, UK. Message-ID: <5cip1j$aln@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <5c7pr0$4e6@crcnis3.unl.edu> On 23 Jan 1997 13:41:51 GMT, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote: > I'm involved in a software porting venture... the software at hand uses the > functions brk and sbrk. The NEXTSTEP man pages say these functions are not > supported. Are there any other functions available to provide similar > functionality? they might not be documented, but they are still there. if you're not worried about portability to non-mach-based openstep platforms, then i'd just go ahead and use them in the same way as usual. rog.
From: afaschin@woodstock.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Anton Fasching) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: help:can't compile Samba.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 08:22:20 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Message-ID: <5ckcvs$7i8@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5cj77f$i29$1@kronos.crosslink.net> > # make > Using CFLAGS = -O -DSMBLOGFILE="/usr/local/samba/var/log.smb" > -DNMBLOGFILE="/usr/local/samba/var/log.nmb" > -DCONFIGFILE="/usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf" > -DLMHOSTSFILE="/usr/local/samba/lib/lmhosts" -DLOCKDIR="/usr/local/samba/var/locks" > -DSMBRUN="/usr/local/samba/bin/smbrun" -DWORKGROUP="WORKGROUP" > -DGUEST_ACCOUNT="nobody" -DNEXT3_0 -arch i386 > Using LIBS = > Compiling server.c > Compiling predict.c > [ snip... ] > Compiling uid.c > Linking smbd > ld: Undefined symbols: > _waitpid > make: *** [smbd] Error 1 > # Hello, i have the same problem, here is my makefile and the result: My Hardware is a NeXTstation Turbo: Prozessor 33 MHz 68040 Memory 32 MB Systemversion 3.3 This are my flags # This is for NEXTSTEP Release 3.0 and greater (including OPENSTEP for Mach). # contributed by brad@cac.washington.edu (Brad Greer) # additional configuration by pmarcos@next.com (Paul Marcos) # For compiling n-way fat executables, you should append the appropriat -arch # flags to the FLAGSM variable. Valid flags are: # -arch m68k # -arch i386 # -arch hppa # -arch sparc # To compile 4-way fat, you would append # -arch m68k -arch i386 -arch hppa -arch sparc FLAGSM = -DNEXT3_0 -arch m68k LIBSM = And here is the output after the make commando ....... Compiling password.c Compiling quotas.c Compiling uid.c Linking smbd ld: Undefined symbols: _waitpid *** Exit 1 Stop. Thanks, -- Anton Fasching PST Informatik Tel :. 089/2178-2179 http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~afaschin/
From: notmy@address.org (Collin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: WriteNow & Floppies Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:24:05 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Sender: clp5@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <notmy-2801970124060001@cu-dialup-1212.cit.cornell.edu> References: <notmy-2701971441500001@cu-dialup-1005.cit.cornell.edu> Hello all, A kind soul has helped me get WriteNow on my machine so I don't need any more help with that. Thanks for the responses... Collin ------- Sorry, I'm tired of junk email, so my reply address is invalid. clp5@cornell.edu
From: "Richard G. Markle" <prujdmis@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need help with NS 3.2 Install Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:11:56 -0800 Organization: The Prudential * Jon Douglas Co. Message-ID: <32ED0C0C.6D58@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the following configuration: 486/DX4-120 AMD 32MB RAM 1.2 GIG EIDE SoundBlaster 16 ATI MACH 64 w/ 2MB of VRAM I would like to install 3.2 User on this system. Is there any way to do so? I have tried but I always get a kernel panic. Also, will NS 3.2 User run in a satisfactory way on this system? Please post response to NG or e-mail rmarkle@earthlink.net. Thanks in advance.
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:18:04 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) wrote: >> This is oh so true. I've got two 68K MOT instruction set manuals. One >> calls the processor a 16 bit unit, the other proudly announces it as >> an advanced 32 bit processor (SAME processor part number). One manual >> was before Apple literature described the 68K as a 32 bit processor, >> the other after - connection? This reminds me of the transistor count >> game that was played with transistor radios. I once disassembled a >> 14-transistor Radio Shack radio. 2 of the transistors were wired and >> used as diodes, 4 had ALL THREE leads soldered together and tacked >> here and there on the PCB. So, what I really had was an 8 transistor >> radio and 2 of those had little if any effect on performance. It's ALL >> in the marketing.... > > Bogus. Hey, I didn't write the manuals. If you think it's bogus, talk to MOT! The fact is, the timing of the manuals was just as I described. Looks like a clear attempt at impressing newbies. Unfortunately, for MOT, newbies and end users rarely order instruction set manuals. However, the point wasn't entirely lost as Apple had good time with it. > Fact is all 68K's offer a unified 32-bit programmer model, for pointers >and integers. True, the original 68000 had a 16-bit external data bus and >only 24 bits of physical address bus, but this is also why we call Pentium >and Pentium Pro "32 bit processors" and not 64 bits: it's commonly accepted >to look at the ALU word width or address space size as the "bitness" of a >processor. > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > You attribute malice or deception to simple confusion in literature and >terminology. The fact remains that flat 32-bit code could be and was >written on the 68000 from the very beginning, lots of it, this was and is a >benefit to its users. > This is an example what maketing does best. There was no confusion in the literature. MOT knew exactly what they were doing. I don't think malice or deception fits here. The programmers know what's going on and that's what counts. I'm surprised someone didn't add up all register bits and go with that figure. > If you don't believe me, why not pop over to comp.arch and ask some >folks around there whether they think the 68K family qualifies as a 32-bit >processor design, or if Moto tried to deceive anyone by promoting it as >such. > I don't give a hoot what comp.arch thinks about the 68K. I was pointing out what MOT, the manufacturer, said about.
From: far@ix.netcom.com(Felipe A. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: HELP! User account keeps quitting... Date: 28 Jan 1997 06:32:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ck6h0$5p3@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <E4oAGr.1I9@onevision.de> I've seen this behavior. Check the following: 1. Check that the directory is owned by the user. chown -R <username> </directory_to_change> 2. Workspace must be SUID root for logins to occur. Restore fails to do this. terra:1# cd /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app terra:1#/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app: chmod u+rws Workspace In article <E4oAGr.1I9@onevision.de> robert@onevision.de (Robert Wunderer) writes: >In article <5c7510$mdk$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca (Seamus >Dunne) writes: >> PROBLEM: When I login as user, the usual, expected things happen: dock >> appears Desktop seems to build, THEN the color wheel (or beach ball, >if >> you prefer) spins for a few seconds and THEN the machine quits, >reverting >> back to the login box-----again and again. >> >> However, if I login as root everything is OK. I've created yet another >> user account, no problems, then logged out and tried logging in as the >> new user, but to no avail. Same story as the 1st user. Also I've >> inspected the all of the "dot-files (like .NeXT). Nothing seems to be >> out of order. Tried changing their names temporarily (to .33Appinfo >from >> .Appinfo, for example), [after making a copy of these, for safety >> reasons]. Still no dice. >> >> Any suggestions? Thank you in advance... answer here or my email: >> dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca Seamus >> snip >Hi Seamus, >one reason could be bad permissions on your root directory. Have a look at >your computer's root directory via the Inspector. Everyone should be >allowed to do all (read write execute). If this differs, change the >permissions (_NOT_ recursively!). >Another reason could be that your NextStep system is seriously damaged >(very precise, I know, but I'm still not sure what really causes this >problem). In this case try reinstalling your system -:((. >If you have an idea of another solution, I would appreciate if you >informed me (perhaps by email). > >Robert. > >-- snip -- Felipe A. Rodriguez # Francesco Sforza became Duke of Milan from Agoura Hills, CA # being a private citizen because he was # armed; his successors, since they avoided far@ix.netcom.com # the inconveniences of arms, became private (NeXTmail preferred) # citizens after having been dukes. (MIMEmail welcome) # --Nicolo Machiavelli
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu (Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Video Logic GrafixStar 450 on NSI? Date: 27 Jan 1997 22:33:48 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University Message-ID: <5cjagc$mho@news.tamu.edu> Has anyone successfully used the Video Logic GrafixStar 450 on NeXTSTEP-Intel? It was highly rated by BYTE magazine and uses the S3 ViRGE chipset. There is a generic S3 ViRGE driver (NeXTanswer 2166) but I would appreciate any info from someone who's actually tried it. E-mail and post replies, please. Thanks, Walter C. Daugherity Dept. of Computer Science E-mail: daugher@tamu.edu Texas A & M University http://www.cs.tamu.edu/faculty/daugher/ College Station, TX 77843-3112 ---Not an official document of Texas A&M--- -- Walter C. Daugherity Dept. of Computer Science E-mail: daugher@tamu.edu Texas A & M University http://www.cs.tamu.edu/faculty/daugher/ College Station, TX 77843-3112 ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: knguyen@ariane.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Khanh P. Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: latex2e for NextStep Date: 27 Jan 1997 22:12:49 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <5cj991$h60@news.tuwien.ac.at> Hi all, what is the best latex2e package for Openstep? and which one is easiest for installing? thanks, khanh
From: Robb Lincoln <n9549957@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Rhaspody == NT, Rhaspody + System 7 compatibility == Windows 95 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:46:56 -0800 Organization: Western Washington University Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.970127104001.4739B-100000-100000@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu> References: <32D88E6F.7C1B@prodigy.net> <19970121084457374235@pm-lx-2-10.net.ip.pt> <5c631g$14f@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5c631g$14f@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> On 22 Jan 1997, William Raphael Hix wrote: > However, there is one strong reason for releasing a reduced version, cost. > Apple will have trouble selling its users an $800 OS, as NeXT has done. > Mac customers already scream about $100 OS costs. While the initial > targets; enterprise, publishing, multimedia, and technical, are less cost > conscious, with Win NT worksation around $250, $200-$300 is as high as > Apple can go, even initially. One way around this would be a $100 basic OS > with basic functionality, intended for most current Mac users, with an > add-on to give it full OpenStep compatibility and/or Unix compatibility > for a few hundres more $. couldn't disagree with you more. $800 for Rap would be outragious, but no more than selling a $100 crippled os! ONE OS ONE PRICE!!!! This is the key to selling macs to both enterprise and home markets! Check out how violenty the enterprise market responded to Microsoft's attempts to segregate NT as server/non-server versions.... Apple _must_ releas Rap at no more than $100. If they make the developers kit a low cost add on to the user price, hopefully that will bee seen as an olive branch to those who have felt jilted in the past. RL > Raph >
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:58:52 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4pvy5.4Ey@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> <kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu> Cc: kroger@ucla.edu This was written in comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep (<kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu>) by kroger@ucla.edu: > Not invited to comment? Not invited to comment? You post on usenet for > millions to see and you say somebody was not invited to comment? How big > an idiot can somebody be? This was obviously ironic since you were absolutely unable to understand what was the point! In another time (250 years ago...) this would have been an invitation to my people for a bastinado... =;) But we are more civilized now: I'm sending the bumpkin (you) to the oubliette (my kill file)... mc
From: Michel Coste <mic@micmac.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back! Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:42:57 GMT Organization: MiCMAC Sender: news@micmac.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <E4pv7M.4Bu@micmac.com> References: <32BB734D.167F@netcom.ca> <AEE1AB21-14A94@199.35.216.52> <32bcb04d.34390634@news.sover.net> <E2tMvF.5Mo@micmac.com> <32bde91c.35158999@news.sover.net> <E2uL81.16F@micmac.com> <32c0162f.14922692@news.sover.net> <jhsterne-ya023280002412961838040001@news.earthlink.net> <E4D5BA.4F1@micmac.com> <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> <E4HLxC.1pG@micmac.com> <kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu> Cc: kroger@ucla.edu This was written in comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep (<kroger-2501971200550001@softmachine.psych.ucla.edu>) by kroger@ucla.edu: > I don't know what your argument was about (nor do I care) Funny! > but I don't like > to miss a chance to tell an idiot what an idiot he is. So you're obviously the idiot here! mc
From: gary@dspn.com (Gary Burchfield II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Compaq DOS v3.x Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 03:25:59 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <32ed718e.5882460@news.cris.com> I am trying to find a copy of Compaq DOS v3.x. Does anyone know where I can get a copy? Thanks Gary Burchfield II Gary@dspn.com
From: djb1@dee02.stir.ac.uk (Donald John Baird) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GUI for gnutar -ztvf file.tar.gz ? Date: 28 Jan 1997 14:30:04 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Message-ID: <5cl2hc$6nr@lorne.stir.ac.uk> References: c2ab5c115ce7705a2be557696f0122bb - <199701241434.JAA10388@nerc.com> Opener.app can open tar.gz files and much more besides... In Europe, it's available at the Peanuts site: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/Tools/archiver/Opener.3.3.NIH S.b.tar.gz Cheers Donald -- Donald Baird phone : +44-1786-467926 Environment Group fax : +44-1786-472133 Institute of Aquaculture email : djb1@stir.ac.uk University of Stirling web : http://dee02.stir.ac.uk Scotland FK9 4LA
From: Patrick Giagnocavo <support@xinside.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Video Logic GrafixStar 450 on NSI? Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:18:00 -0700 Organization: X Inside Inc Message-ID: <32ED8C08.41C67EA6@xinside.com> References: <5cjagc$mho@news.tamu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Walter C. Daugherity" <daugher@cs.tamu.edu> Walter C. Daugherity wrote: > > Has anyone successfully used the Video Logic GrafixStar 450 on NeXTSTEP-Intel? > It was highly rated by BYTE magazine and uses the S3 ViRGE chipset. There is > a generic S3 ViRGE driver (NeXTanswer 2166) but I would appreciate any info > from someone who's actually tried it. E-mail and post replies, please. > > Thanks, Well, If you ever happen to have a look at the board, you will notice that there is basically one chip, the ViRGE chip, which has both the graphics accelerator and the RAMDAC on-board. There is really no way to modify it of course, so you are probably safe. The speed of the board will be due more to the maturity of the driver. My guess is that a Matrox Millenium will outperform a ViRGE, especially since the driver for the Matrox has been out longer (I assume that it has been tweaked :-) by now). Also the Millenium is better designed IMHO. When I was working for a NEXTSTEP reseller (OSI) our customers preferred the Matrox over virtually anything else. Cordially -- Patrick Giagnocavo - patrick@xinside.com Xi Graphics - Accelerated X Servers Technical Support Department
From: HisMajesty <fatjelly@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:23:42 +0800 Organization: The WatchTower Message-ID: <32DC157E.1730@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bcske$5ps@news.platinum.com> <5be75u$jsg@news.acns.nwu.edu> <5bedv8$es2@news.platinum.com> <32DBBE9E.1DA3@exnext.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan W. Hendry wrote: > > > > What's wrong with matte black, anyway? It's good enough for every > > > cool piece of electronics on the planet _except_ computers, isn't > > it? > > > > I want black, too. > > I wouldn't be surprised if Power Computing could be persuaded > to do a line of black machines. They seem pretty hip. I believe they have somewhere where one can input suggestions via email. Though black would be cool, Power Computing's machine design doesn't look attractive. Of all the Macs, perhaps Apple can make the nicest looking black boxes.
From: sheppard.gordon@moondog.com (SHEPPARD GORDON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Adobe Bravo Message-ID: <8D0E511.09B80000FA.uuout@moondog.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 21:37:00 -0400 Distribution: world Organization: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn, NY, (718) 692-2498 Considering Apple's rumored consideration of using Adobe's Bravo display model for the upcoming Rhapsody OS, I thought that some here might find this article of interest: ### A new graphical infrastructure for the Web. (Adobe Bravo) 07/01/96 Advanced Imaging A first detailed look at the new, much-anticipated Post-Script-derived model designed to revolutionize World Wide Web imaging Today's Web-based application and content developers find their creativity limited by the lack of a comprehensive, integrated imaging model that allows them to publish high-quality graphics without compromising the quality of theft design. Imaging models resident in popular operating systems simply don't provide the graphics capabilities advanced users demand. In addition, developers who want to reach the widest possible audience must create several versions of their application, each tailored to a different platform, which adds to the time and expense required to introduce new products. As the popularity of the World Wide Web has skyrocketed, the demand from users for applications that make Web publishing faster and simpler has gone largely unfulfilled. Users want to "re-purpose" documents created for print into Web documents with the same look and feel. They also want a Web browser that enables them to view, save and print graphically rich pages with the greatest possible quality. In addition to providing that functionality, the browser must be compatible with the bewildering array of software and hardware in use by people accessing the Web. At Adobe Systems, we have now used our experience in creating industry- standard, device-independent PostScript software and our expertise as the industry leader in two-dimensional imaging to develop a solution to these problems. Code-named "Bravo," this solution is a portable, highly efficient imaging model designed to revolutionize the process of delivering graphically rich applications and content for the World Wide Web. Incorporating advanced graphics and type functionality, Bravo solves compatibility problems, facilitates application development and Web publishing, and offers optimum performance and quality to both developers and users. BRAVO: DEFINED Bravo is an imaging framework that is independent of the underlying operating system. Via a unified API (Application Programming Interface), Bravo provides access to advanced imaging capabilities such as true color images (the full 16.8 million colors) with transparency, scalable PostScript line-art, and text that can be anti-aliased on the fly to eliminate "jaggies. " Also, text support in Bravo is not tied to any specific font technology - applications can work interchangeably with Type 1, Type 1 multiple master, TrueType, and other type technologies including the recently announced "OpenType" specification. In addition, the printing architecture for Bravo is optimized for professional graphics and publishing applications, directly generating PostScript language commands, which improves the quality and speed of printing for complex graphics. And because Bravo is derived from the device- independent PostScript imaging model, users are ensured of high-fidelity correspondence between the screen and the printed page. BROAD EARLY ACCEPTANCE Recognizing that Bravo will provide even greater benefits as an Internet standard, Adobe has established partnerships with key vendors developing enabling technologies and products for the Internet. JavaSoft, an operating company of Sun Microsystems Inc., has already announced that it intends to license the Bravo imaging model. JavaSoft plans to incorporate Bravo into a future implementation of the Java platform. Bravo will be included with Java as the first implementation of the collaboratively developed 2-D specification in the JavaMedia family of APIs, which allow Java developers to produce highly interactive, extensible, dynamic network programs with rich media. And Sun has licensed Java to other leading vendors, including Netscape, Oracle and Microsoft. All see the addition of Bravo technology as the imaging model for Java as providing a rich, portable environment for the next generation of Web publishing. For consumers, Adobe Bravo will enable broad availability of graphically rich, Web-based applications that will deliver a higher-quality visual experience when viewing, interacting with, or printing information from the Web. Already a proven technology, Adobe Bravo is broadly used now in a number of existing Adobe applications including Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Premiere, and PostScript software. Adobe intends to further incorporate the technology in future versions of its products as new releases are developed. As has been announced, Bravo Imaging will also be the basis for entirely new desktop and Web applications - the first of which will be a new interactive authoring tool from Adobe, code-named "Vertigo." Vertigo will enable content developers and Web publishers to easily combine high-fidelity graphical media with sound and video to produce more visually compelling network and CD-ROM-based titles. AS PART OF INTERNET STRATEGY Bravo is part of Adobe's comprehensive strategy for making the Web a more effective and visual communications medium. That three-part strategy includes: * Delivering cutting-edge media authoring tools, which include applications for document authoring, professional design and layout, creating and managing Web sites, maintaining the look and feel of desktop documents and high-end video authoring and animation. * Expanding capabilities for improving Internet printing and information distribution via new tools such as Adobe PrintMill, a new intranet printing solution that enables users to identify and print to any printing device across a network. * Driving and supporting graphics standards on the Internet including existing standards such as HTML, GIF and Java. Adobe's goal is to raise the quality of Internet graphics by working with partners to establish new standards based on proven Adobe technologies. Planned enhancements include type extensions that improve browser quality, Embedded Portable Document Format (EPDF) capabilities that enable users to place rich graphics in any Web document or application and Adobe Bravo. POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPERS Bravo is designed to revolutionize the process of delivering graphically rich applications and content for the Web. Specifically, it enables developers of Internet-based applications to: * Create applications more quickly because it virtually eliminates the need to write platform-specific display or print code for multiple product versions. * Improve the speed and quality of printing complex graphics on Adobe PostScript and PrintGear devices. * Port applications more quickly to new platforms, shortening time-to- market. * Offer users "one-button Save As PDF" functionality. Users will be able to convert a document into an Adobe PDF (Portable Document Format) file that can be incorporated into Web pages simply by using the "Save As PDF" feature. For users of Internet applications, Bravo provides the means to view, save and print pages with the greatest possible quality and fidelity. It enhances the user's experience by significantly increasing the quality and richness of graphical and typographic content on the Web. Specifically, it benefits users by enabling them to: * Create, view, save and print Web documents that take full advantage of the power of the PostScript language. Such graphics can be more sophisticated than graphics created using such currently popular formats as GIF and JPEG. PDF files in particular are richer, more flexible HTML objects than files in the commonly used GIF format. * Print and distribute PDF files quickly and easily. KEY CHARACTERISTICS We believe Bravo is a superior imaging model for developers and users because it is: * Complete: Bravo enables users to view and print anywhere, generates universal metafiles and images both vector and raster graphics. * Portable: Developers can write an application once, and its display and print code will run on multiple operating systems and hardware architectures. The Bravo API gives applications a uniform structure for working with graphics and type on any platform and on the Web. * Lightweight: Bravo comprises only a few hundred kilobytes of code, far less than other embeddable imaging technologies. * Self-contained: Bravo is not tied to a specific operating system, as QuickDraw is tied to the Apple operating system and GDI is tied to Microsoft Windows. * Unified: Bravo is a unified API for displaying, saving, replaying and printing documents. Developers and users need not be concerned with what imaging device an application is using because the Bravo API formats data correctly for each device. * Proven: Bravo is already an integral part of key Adobe applications and is based on the standard imaging technology in the professional publishing world - the PostScript language and PostScript software. GRAPHICS FEATURES Bravo supports all the powerful interactive graphics capabilities of the PostScript imaging model. (In contrast, other imaging models such as QuickDraw and GDI do not yet support such basic PostScript features as matrix transformations, or more advanced features such as patterns and device- independent color.) Applications can use the Bravo graphics API to: * Construct a path consisting of a set of connected and disconnected points, lines and Bezier curves that describe the appearance of graphical shapes. * Set up the current path as a clipping path. * Specify the color for a painting operation using a range of values, indices and gradient formulas. * Perform any combination of linear transformations on graphical objects such as translation, scaling, rotation, reflection and skewing. * Treat a text character as a graphical shape and use it as a clipping path, paint it or transform it. * Collect graphical objects, characters and images to be painted multiple times into a display list cache. TEXT/TYPOGRAPHY FEATURES As I've noted, text support in Bravo is not tied to any specific font technology. Applications can interchangeably work with Type 1, Type 1 multiple master, TrueType and the new "OpenType" technology recently announced by Adobe and Microsoft. Open Type is a universal font format that will combine TrueType and Type 1 font technologies to streamline management of existing fonts and provide a font format to handle the next generation of type for personal computers and the Internet. To ensure portability and optimized performance, Bravo text support does not rely on native operating system services. The smooth integration of text and graphics in Bravo makes it easy for applications to treat text as a sequence of characters or as a sequence of graphical objects. Applications can use the Bravo text support API to: * Enumerate available fonts installed in the system. * Query font attributes in order to perform sophisticated typographical layouts. * Compose text according to user-specified requirements for exact placement of characters and line breaks. * Render fonts with precision control into calculated placement positions on the page in a range of formats, including character bitmaps, PDF, PCL and PostScript font encodings. * Improve results of low-resolution Type 1 font rendering using Bravo's anti-aliasing technology which produces more accurate character bitmaps. * Adjust the typographical parameters of Type 1 multiple master fonts to generate custom characters. * Format text properly in any language supported by roman and Asian fonts. * Manage font subsets embedded in documents. PRINTING FEATURES Bravo's printing architecture is optimized for professional graphics and publishing applications which, before the introduction of Bravo, directly generated PostScript language commands. Bravo does that for them, thereby improving the quality and speed of Adobe PostScript printing for complex graphics. Bravo also provides optimized printing to PCL, GDI, QuickDraw and Adobe PrintGear printers, as well as other printing devices. Applications can use Bravo printing services to: * Print to any printer using a consistent API. * Generate PDF files that users can view or print on any computer with Adobe Acrobat technology, without the original application or fonts used to create the original document. * Generate EPDF (Encapsulated Portable Document Format) metafiles that applications can import for display and interactive updating. * Print legacy EPS (Encapsulated PostScript) files and other metafiles. * Take advantage of the best driver technology available through Bravo support for existing printer drivers and an API that makes it easy to integrate new printer drivers. AVAILABILITY AND SUPPORT Adobe is already working with such key partners such as Netscape, Sun and Oracle to incorporate Bravo into their applications. Bravo will be the imaging model in Sun's Java operating environment and will be included with future releases of Netscape Navigator. 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From: Brian Sutherland <rmaniac.deleteme@onramp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What's happened to Lighthouse? Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:53:59 -0600 Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <32ED23F7.85D@onramp.net> References: <5cb04h$67d@idiom.com> <19970125232500.SAA21030@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: WillAdams <willadams@aol.com> WillAdams wrote: > > I would like to ask however, along a similar vein if anyone knows if their > wonderful academic pricing has survived the purchase by Sun? > > I've been thinking of purchasing WetPaint and OpenWrite from them. > > The Academic pages were a bit tattered the last time I checked. > > William > > William Adams > > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. I purchased the Academic bundle from Lighthouse just about a month ago. just $99 as usuall. I went ahead and got it because I was afrid they would stop selling it. Call them I bet it is still there. -Brian bcs@onramp.net
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - Kill the evil sendmail Date: 27 Jan 1997 23:00:55 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7oheab7x4.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> For anyone out there still running sendmail, you would be MUCH happier from a security perspective, by switching to qmail. Now that my Cube is finally back in working order, I did some thorough testing, and qmail 0.96 runs just fine under NS3.3. Someone (probably *not* me =] ) will need to figure out how to make Mail.app NOT look for $SPOOLDIR/$USER and look for JUST $SPOOLDIR, or whatever. Shouldn't be too hard, I imagine. .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - Kill the evil sendmail Date: 27 Jan 1997 23:16:19 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7n2tub77g.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> References: <x7oheab7x4.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Btw- ln -s ~user/Mailbox /usr/spool/mail/user will work as a temporary fix, of course. It's just messy =] .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Duh...URL to qmail info site =] Date: 27 Jan 1997 23:27:06 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7lo9eb6ph.fsf_-_@chrome.datasphere.net> References: <x7oheab7x4.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> <x7n2tub77g.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Well, you can tell *I'm* tired =] http://www.qmail.org/ .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: ekotan@next.com (Eren Kotan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Anyone running NT and OS 4.1 on same drive? Date: 28 Jan 1997 08:57:55 GMT Organization: NeXT Software UK Limited Message-ID: <5ckf2j$q91@news.next.com> References: <5cb1bj$5hq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Cc: Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com In <5cb1bj$5hq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Chuck_Esterbrook@orcacomputer.com wrote: > I'm going to be running Windows NT 4.0 and OPENSTEP 4.1 on the same 2GB SCSI > drive. Each op sys will be given a gig partition. Does anyone have any > experience doing this? Anything I should know? Hi, I am running NT4.0, OPENSTEP 4.1, Windoze 95(sic) and Linux on the same drive. It is possible, but requires some thought on how partitions should be arranged. Anyway, if you're only planning to use NT and OPENSTEP, the easiest thing to do is: WARNING: THESE INSTRUCTIONS WILL WIPE YOUR DATA ON THE HARD DISK, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE CAUSED, ETC. - Boot your PC with a DOS disk containing fdisk and create 1 FAT partition for NT, with size as desired. Leave the rest of the disk as free space. - Reboot and install NT on your freshly created FAT partition. When install offers the choice, you may want to convert this FAT partition into NTFS, if you wish. Note that if you do, you won't be able to see it under OPENSTEP. If you leave it as FAT, you will. On the other hand, NTFS is more robust + has extra features, so it's your choice. You can always convert a FAT partition to NTFS later after NT is installed and running, but not vice-versa. - Once NT is installed, you're ready to start the OPENSTEP installation. When asked, choose to use the free space on the disk for OPENSTEP. Install will then create an OPENSTEP partition using the free space and proceed to copy the files. Once install is complete, OPENSTEP booter will have been installed, so you'll be able to choose which OS to boot into at startup. Good luck. END DISCLAIMER: NO ANIMALS HAVE BEEN HARMED DURING THE PREPARATION OF THIS USENET POST Regards, Eren -- Eren Kotan NeXT Software (UK) Limited oh, one moment, it's Apple now The best friend money can buy ObjectLine Support WWW: http://www.next.com/
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: latex2e for NextStep Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:28:46 +0100 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <32EDC6CE.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5cj991$h60@news.tuwien.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Khanh P. Nguyen wrote: > > Hi all, > what is the best latex2e package for Openstep? and which one is easiest > for installing? Have a look at Gregor's TeX-Page: http://www.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de/~flight/stepTeX/ Thanks to Gregor Hoffleit and Thomas Esser ! -- ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701271601.LAA08154@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: c1f148bfbdeae4c11bc4c9ee7a507b57 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 11:01:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: c1f148bfbdeae4c11bc4c9ee7a507b57 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) Original Date: 26 Jan 1997 14:44:24 GMT > Who else is complaining about the way Nextstep handles the > swapspace on disk? After swapping files to the disk Nextstep isn't > clearing up the space until the user makes a reboot. That is > somehow stupid if you don't have much RAM and if you are working > with large files. This is a wellknown problem with no real solution other than more RAM more diskspace use a swapdisk All of which simply delay the inevitable. > Is there a way to compensate this bad handling with e.g. a patch? No, but you can make it better. Checkout my swapfaq at http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/mailserver/swapfaq.ps or goto http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ and select "Swap FAQ" TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: fuguen@paris.fdn.fr (Francois UGUEN) Subject: PapyrusForms Message-ID: <E4q1Dy.16L@paris.fdn.fr> Sender: news@paris.fdn.fr Organization: Individual - PARIS - Francois UGUEN Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:56:22 GMT Hello, I'm looking for the soft PapyrusForms from Ensuing Technologies, can you help me? Thanks, -- Francois UGUEN NeXT-mail : fuguen@paris.fdn.fr
From: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: another cool thing about Colorizer.bundle for Mail.app Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 01:01:27 +0100 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <9701280001.AA02025@basil.icce.rug.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In article <199701241442.JAA10457@nerc.com>, Timothy Luoma wrote: > When you open a .mbox, the thread that you were last reading is > still highlighted. This is very useful if you have to close up a > mailbox and then you are trying to find your place later on. As in, to let procmail + appnmail kick in? :-) This trick doesn't seem to work with Mail.app 4.1mach though. Otherwise a damn fine cup o^H^H^H^H^H bundle, especially after you've toned down the garish default colorscheme :-p. (Except that EnhanceMail's online help is nowhere to be found in Mail's help panel anymore, but that is probably EMs own fault...) > Note: although the name implies that you need a color machine (and > I'm sure that wouldn't be bad) it is usable on a mono machine, > especially the thread-marking. > > Colorizer is available at > > http://www.next.com:80/~eseymour/Colorizer/Welcome.html > > and > > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.NIHS.b.tar.gz > > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/bundles/Colorizer.1.5.README -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ "Any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable __/ _/_/ from a perl script" -- Larry Wall, mangled
From: "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 17:55:42 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Sender: powers@swapsdvlp02 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: > In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, > Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: > >>So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some > >>80386-based machines were 16-bit? > > > >Here is my recollection for what it is worth. > > > >I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. > > Externally, it has/had an 8 bit bus that, > according to rumor, was for "backwards" compatibility and > to save money, since at that time 16 bit hardware was the *NEW* thing > and was therefore more expensive than 8 bit hardware. > > >The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for > >that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. > > Yup. There were a few brave souls who manafactured 8086 (and even > 80186) based boards. Yes Virginia, there *was* and 80186 chip! > > >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. > > Uh, no. (As Lord Blaine taught us. . .) That turns out no to be the > case. The 80826 was vastly different from the 80386. Examples: > the ability to have a flat memory space (segments *GONE*, whee!) and > much different virtual memory support. > > The flat memory model was, in fact, the talk of the town at that time. > > >Except that the > >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) > >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version > >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). > > Yup. I still know people who own and use '386sx boxes. > > >Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a > >mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the > >other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating > >point part was added. > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > systems. Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue against this. The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. > > >The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in > >'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. > >There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). > > The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the > color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called > the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). > > >I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I > >would guess it meant cheaper memory. > > Cheaper parts. Yup. And at that time, the 68000 didn't have any > virtual memory capabilities, or memory protection (hence the reason the > Amiga didn't have memory protection designed into the OS). > > The 68010 was introduced to support on-chip VM, but still required, if > I remember correctly, an extermal MMU chip. > > John S. -- Brent B. Powers Merrill Lynch powers@ml.com
From: carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:52:13 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <carol1-1801971152140001@17.219.103.153> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by > computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you > mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. I belive that the Saturn chip developed by HP is a 4 bit CPU with a 4 bit ALU. The model exposed to the RPN programmer may be 64 bits, but the internal hardware is only 4 bits at a time. I've seen assembly code for this littel machine and it's rather tedious. Power consumption is a real issue. Why do in 64 parallel bits what can be cycled through 4 bits with lots less power? -- Andrew Carol carol1@apple.com I do not speak for Apple. All opinions are my own.
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Date: 28 Jan 1997 09:02:42 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5ckfbi$2mj@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> <5ch70o$stl$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) wrote: > Lets kill this thread before it takes off! Unlikely. Too many people have too many observations which are significant, made worse by the fact that many people think that their own observations prove that everyone else's observations are wrong. > someone else wrote: > > I just want the machine to reclaim the swap when an app is > > shutdown, how hard can this be for NeXT to fix? Maybe the new > > Mach kernel will solve this problem. There is at least one swapping-related bug which is (most likely) fixed in the new kernel and which is (probably) not fixed in the NS-4.1 kernel. I know it wasn't fixed in the NS-3.3 kernel, and I don't think that was changed for NS-4.x. The bug, however, requires a fairly obscure sequence of things happening. It nails me big-time, due to some things I run on my NeXTstation, but I doubt it effects many other people. > (by the way, if you haven't yet read the TechWire interview, jump > to http://techweb1.web.cerf.net/wire/news/0110nextqa.html !) This is a very useful article, where Avie talks about NeXTSTEP, Rhapsody, and the priorities of various projects. It's from January 10th, so some of it might be outdated by now... :-) It's probably the most informative and understandable interview from anyone at Apple since the merger announcement. > Here's the real story about Mach VM from no less then the expert! > \begin{repost from comp.sys.next.misc, Jun 1994} While Avie's technical explanation is both useful and informative, several people do have experiences which suggest that there is some behavior which is not explained by his expectations. Cliff Matthews (I think that's his name, the guy at ARDI) at one time had a pretty good test program which sure seemed to prove that something else was up. I believe that was in the 1994 timeframe too, and I don't remember anyone from NeXT following up on it. I doubt Avie spends a lot of his time reading usenet articles... Also, there is a fairly simple programming mistake one can make under NeXTSTEP with mapped files. If you make this mistake, you end up with the file stuck in memory until the system is rebooted. One of the very first versions of OmniImage had this bug, and it wouldn't surprise me too much if other things did too. The reason it's easy to make this error is that the documentation for one of the routines (NXMapFile?) doesn't include a pointer to the routine you should use with it instead of NXClose(). OmniImage was fixed a long time ago, but I often wonder if some people are running into this same bug in other applications. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.linux.development.system Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Date: 28 Jan 1997 08:43:59 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5cke8f$2mj@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> <5ch70o$stl$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> <5cim2v$3v6@news.ox.ac.uk> Charles Wiles <charles@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > Whilst interesting to read again what Avie Tevanian himself had > to say about NeXTSTEP's swapping methodology, it only explains > why NeXTSTEP can be prone to thrashing, rather than offer any > solutions. Personally, I've always thought that swap _partitions_ > should be supported too (as they are in most other Unixes: > dedicated swapdisks aren't always feasible). Just a note: What NeXTSTEP calls a "swapdisk" is not really a whole disk dedicated to a swapfile. If you name something a swapdisk, the rc.swap code will do some special processing which made sense 5 years ago (in the days of smaller disks), but which is pretty moronic today (in the days of 2 gig disks). Still, every time I mention this someone tells me how brilliant swapdisks are. The concept is fine, the implementation under NeXTSTEP could be improved. All that said, what NeXTSTEP pages to is always a unix file. You can have "swap partitions", the only annoyance is that you have to do it yourself. You have to figure out the entries for /etc/swaptab and /etc/fstab such that you get what you want. There really isn't that much too it, if you're used to doing "unixy" things. You can have multiple swapfiles, and each one of those can be on a different partition. My own experience indicates that you probably get the best results with just two swapfiles, where you mark one of them as "prefer"ed (with a hiwat value), and then have the second one on a different partition, and marked "nocompress" (I believe you can only have one compressed swapfile). Make the hiwat for the first one under 208meg. Somewhere around 208meg the "compress" function stops compressing, and your swapfile gets much larger even though it's not holding any more vm. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701281854.NAA05159@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 5f4195ddfe488ef651694b37ba4c3aa6 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 13:53:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Netscape Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 5f4195ddfe488ef651694b37ba4c3aa6 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Brian Ward <bward@attila.stevens-tech.edu> Original Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:49:25 -0500 Message-ID: 5f4195ddfe488ef651694b37ba4c3aa6 - > Is there any version of netscape that will work with NeXTSTEP? no > Is there any good webbrowsers? yes. (OmniWeb and NetSurfer) TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: epp@energotec.de (Ralf Eppink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: S3 Generic Date: 28 Jan 1997 12:05:12 GMT Organization: Tech Net GmbH Message-ID: <5ckq1o$ao61@ddfservb.technet.net> Hi all, is there anybody how works successfully with a S3 generic video card under NextStep 3.3 for Intel ? i have some problems with the present driver 1736 (boot down). Thank You
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.rendering.renderman,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: App for SpaceJam? Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:44:07 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <32E2F810.4529@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <32E1761C.7000@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric A. Dubiel wrote: > > Anyone remember what that app was called that created 3D in SpaceJam on > NEXTSTEP, and the URL? It was Animo. http://www.animo.com YoungHoon Kil ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Cyberdog, Voice Mail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP Q&A Board written by Korean)
From: "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 17:56:35 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Sender: powers@swapsdvlp02 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <u02vi8hbe8s.fsf@ml.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: > In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, > Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: > >>So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some > >>80386-based machines were 16-bit? > > > >Here is my recollection for what it is worth. > > > >I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. > > Externally, it has/had an 8 bit bus that, > according to rumor, was for "backwards" compatibility and > to save money, since at that time 16 bit hardware was the *NEW* thing > and was therefore more expensive than 8 bit hardware. > > >The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for > >that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. > > Yup. There were a few brave souls who manafactured 8086 (and even > 80186) based boards. Yes Virginia, there *was* and 80186 chip! > > >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. > > Uh, no. (As Lord Blaine taught us. . .) That turns out no to be the > case. The 80826 was vastly different from the 80386. Examples: > the ability to have a flat memory space (segments *GONE*, whee!) and > much different virtual memory support. > > The flat memory model was, in fact, the talk of the town at that time. > > >Except that the > >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) > >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version > >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). > > Yup. I still know people who own and use '386sx boxes. > > >Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a > >mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the > >other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating > >point part was added. > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > systems. Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue against this. The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. > > >The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in > >'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. > >There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). > > The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the > color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called > the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). > > >I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I > >would guess it meant cheaper memory. > > Cheaper parts. Yup. And at that time, the 68000 didn't have any > virtual memory capabilities, or memory protection (hence the reason the > Amiga didn't have memory protection designed into the OS). > > The 68010 was introduced to support on-chip VM, but still required, if > I remember correctly, an extermal MMU chip. > > John S. -- Brent B. Powers Merrill Lynch powers@ml.com
From: "Keith L. Swallow" <swallow@oar.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:27:09 -0500 Organization: OARnet Message-ID: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: swallow@oar.net Hello all, I need to find a copy of tcl or instructions for installing tcl 7.6 on a next with nextmach 1.0 .. I know its old... But it is what I have to work with. SO any assistance would be gratfully appreciated. Please just reply to this by mailing me : swallow@oar.net Also sorry for cross posting... I wanted to hit everybody that might be able to help... thanks again... -Sincerly Keith Lee Swallow Thanks again... --
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.linux.development.system Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Date: 28 Jan 97 09:45:20 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan28094520@slave.one.net> References: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> <5ch70o$stl$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> <5cim2v$3v6@news.ox.ac.uk> In-reply-to: Charles Wiles's message of 27 Jan 1997 16:45:19 GMT In article <5cim2v$3v6@news.ox.ac.uk>, Charles Wiles <charles@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk> writes: My reason for cross-posting to the Linux development group [apologies to Linux people for dropping such a long posting on you out of the blue], is that it might be beneficial for Avie et al to discuss swapping strategies with some of the Linux kernel experts, who are more likely than most to have worked out a novel, highly efficient solution to this problem. Unfortunately, as alluded to in the posted article, the problem isn't so much knowing what they want to do as being willing to disrupt things to get it done. Linux has a novel approach to this - make the change in an already potentially unstable release, and let lots of people test it. NeXT doesn't have quite as much latitude, here, as they won't be able to use as many testers, and can't afford to release an imperfect version. [Hey, don't gripe at me, I _agree_ that free software makes things easier.] > \begin{repost from comp.sys.next.misc, Jun 1994} > > From: avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) > Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? <...> > So why don't we compact the swapfile to handle these pages that > get allocated at high page numbers? Good question. We've > considered doing it many times. However, it has always been > considered a quite risky change (how many of YOU have debugged a > virtual memory system before) and would need to be done very > carefully to ensure correctness and adequate performance. As an > example, it would not be acceptable to just start a compaction > and cause the system to lock up as the kernel does several > megabytes of I/O for the compaction. On The One Hand: A decent enough means of handling this would be to force high-numbered pages back into memory (at worst, by referencing them), mark them dirty, and then clear the indicator of where that page belongs in the swapfile. Then when memory is needed, it can push the page out to a low-numbered area. I'm not saying this is easy, but it shouldn't be hard (even in kernel mode). It's not a very good solution, though, as it results in swapfile fragmentation. On The Other Hand: If your processes are using a lot of memory, there's no room to be paging in pages which you don't need just to compact the swapfile. _But_, if your options are "Crash the system and wait a minute or two for a reboot" or "lock the system up for a minute or two while it does the compaction", well, which would you rather have? [Hint: compaction would let you keep running your currect programs, rebooting would potentially lose some work.] The Real Problem: is that, as Avie explained, if there is free space in the swapfile, it will be used. In theory, your system should just continue operating at a reduced capacity (due to seeking all over heck to access pieces of the swapfile). In other words, there must be something else going on that's locking those pages so that they can't be re-used. Running an extremely VM-intensive process and then not getting your disk space back is one thing. Progressively losing disk space to the swapfile over the course of days is an entirely different problem. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 29 Jan 97 11:38:10 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: inet Message-ID: <doenges.854537890@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <u02vi8hbe8s.fsf@ml.com> Originator: doenges@nelion.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com> writes: >Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue >against this. The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of >silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. But a different pinout does not necessarily mean a different chip. Many processors are availible in PGA and QFP packages with different pinouts, but identical silicon inside. I remeber reading at the time of the 486sx, that the 486sx was a normal 486 with the FPU disabled. The whole thing had nothing to do with technology, but with marketing. (Remeber, this was the time the AMD386 came out, and Intel did not want to loose their high margins on 486s. So they came up with the 486sx, which was priced to compete with the 40 MHz AMD386.). Later modell 486sx may have had different silicon, but the first generation 486sx were 80486 with the FPU disabled. The 80487sx was a complete 486 with the FPU enabled - if you plugged one of those in your 486sx system, the whole 486sx was disabled. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: Eric Levenez <levenez@club-internet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Next's Recycle before Windows? Date: 18 Jan 1997 22:31:27 GMT Organization: Grolier Interactive Europe Message-ID: <5brivv$h9k@news.grolier.fr> References: <jones.948-ya02408000R1801971034420001@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jones.948@osu.edu (Steve Jones) wrote: >I was just curious, did next have the "recycle bin" before Win95 came out? Everything came before Win95. M$ is only copying other compagnies. The world was not created on august 1995 ! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Éric Lévénez "Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas" mailto:levenez@club-internet.fr Publius Vergilius Maro, (NeXTMail, MIME) Georgica, II-489 --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:28:30 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32e14540.11376132@news.sover.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <carol1-1801971152140001@17.219.103.153> carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote: >In article <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net>, togar@msn.com (Lance Togar) wrote: > >> Hardly. It MAY have been commonly accepted in the past - long past by >> computer standards. Now-a-days, you'd better explain just what you >> mean. My HP-48GX *calculator* has a 64-bit ALU. > >I belive that the Saturn chip developed by HP is a 4 bit CPU with >a 4 bit ALU. > >The model exposed to the RPN programmer may be 64 bits, but >the internal hardware is only 4 bits at a time. I've seen >assembly code for this littel machine and it's rather tedious. > >Power consumption is a real issue. Why do in 64 parallel bits >what can be cycled through 4 bits with lots less power? > The Saturn has a real 64-bit ALU while the internal/external data path is 4-bits. No doubt, the assembly code you've seen involves moving 4-bit "fields" in/out of the ALU. Many people consider assembly code tedious whatever the processor. Certainly, floating point operations with an integer ALU can be less than fun! The 64-bit ALU makes perfect sense when you consider that the CPU was specifically designed for floating point operations. As such, the ALU can hold the entire binary representation of a floating point number (mantissa and exponent). RPN programmers are generally unaware of CPU bit size because RPN deals with named variables that may contain one or more of a large variety of objects with floating point numbers being just one in the list. All of the Saturn CPU registers are static CMOS so I've missed your point concerning power consumption. BTW, with the 48GX, I can have the answers to some really heavy math problems before most PCs get the mouse cursor on the screen :). A lot cheaper to buy and run too not to mention that it fits in a coat pocket.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701271604.LAA08180@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 80f77d934cc4416cad9c1d906013048a - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! References: 80f77d934cc4416cad9c1d906013048a - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Original Date: 27 Jan 1997 03:22:00 GMT Message-ID: 80f77d934cc4416cad9c1d906013048a - > The *actual* kernel solves this, just boot with the following > option: > > -reclaimFreedPage YES > > (I don't know why, but the system default is NO). > > Ok, ok... I'm joking, Not funny Raymond, not funny at all Well.... maybe a little funny color me "got" TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700 Organization: Verinet Communications Message-ID: <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: >>So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some >>80386-based machines were 16-bit? > >Here is my recollection for what it is worth. > >I would say that the original 8088 was a 16-bit processor. Externally, it has/had an 8 bit bus that, according to rumor, was for "backwards" compatibility and to save money, since at that time 16 bit hardware was the *NEW* thing and was therefore more expensive than 8 bit hardware. >The 8086 was the 16bit data path version, I would say the 'normal chip' for >that series, as the 8088 was the 'constrained chip'. Yup. There were a few brave souls who manafactured 8086 (and even 80186) based boards. Yes Virginia, there *was* and 80186 chip! >The 80286 and the 80386 are generally the same 32bit chip. Uh, no. (As Lord Blaine taught us. . .) That turns out no to be the case. The 80826 was vastly different from the 80386. Examples: the ability to have a flat memory space (segments *GONE*, whee!) and much different virtual memory support. The flat memory model was, in fact, the talk of the town at that time. >Except that the >80286 had a couple of errors (like switching between real and protected mode) >that were solved in the 80386. The 80386 came in both a constrained version >(16bit data path, the SX types) and a 'normal' version (32bit data path). Yup. I still know people who own and use '386sx boxes. >Between the 80386 and the 80486, there is a big difference. The 80386 was a >mess. Intel (smartly) distilled a RISC-like core from the 80386 and put the >other backwards compatibility stuff in an emulation on the chip. A floating >point part was added. Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) systems. >The m68k processor, as far as I know, was 32bit from the start, but came in >'constrained versions'. I think the original 68000 had a 16bit data path. >There even exists an m68k which has an 8bit data path). The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). >I don't know exactly what the advantages were of a smaller data path, but I >would guess it meant cheaper memory. Cheaper parts. Yup. And at that time, the 68000 didn't have any virtual memory capabilities, or memory protection (hence the reason the Amiga didn't have memory protection designed into the OS). The 68010 was introduced to support on-chip VM, but still required, if I remember correctly, an extermal MMU chip. John S.
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Dec Quiz results, new Jan/Feb Quiz started Date: 29 Jan 1997 09:17:26 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5cn4j6$k5r@peng.ping.at> The SSS Christmas Quiz has ended - already two weeks ago, sorry for the delay - and the winners are drawn. Plus: the new January/February Quiz has started NOW! (finally...) For Dec results as well as for the new Jan/Feb quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Deadline for the new quiz is February 27. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer *or* LatinByrd license, or, alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Dayne Miller <dayne@wolfenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody wishlist (forget the UI, this stuff is important) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:45:42 -0800 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970118152847.4306A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970112175002.15531A-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com> <5bdapi$39p@portal.gmu.edu> <5bp3rk$nj1@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5bp3rk$nj1@news.platinum.com> On 18 Jan 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > I was pretty stunned when I saw this tidbit about NT, too. I was hoping > someone else would gripe about it, so I didn't have to. Thanks. No network? > Really guys... if it was anybody other than MicroSoft they would have been > laughed out of the evaluation. For those of you running NT, there's a "C2 Configuration Utility" that ships with the NT Resource Kit. It gives a whole list of all the options that need to be configured to meet the criteria under which NT qualified -- you can check off which you want to enable (in other words, you might want to become "more secure" without necessarily worrying about meeting the letter of the certification criteria). Anyway, it's worth checking out, and very instructional. What's interesting to note is that I've heard many program/product managers at MS claim that IIS is a "C2 Secure Web Server" or that Exchange "meets C2 requirements". None of them has been able to tell me how either IIS or Exchange is even remotely useful without a network... > On most UNIX platforms, including NeXTSTEP, C2 level security can be achieved > (with or without help from the vendor) by configuration. I've never heard of > disabling the network or floppy as part of that configuration, though dial-up > connections (into the C2 machine) are often prohibited. It may be that to be > certified, the vendor must supply some documentation as to how that > configuration is done, etc. I believe that NEXTSTEP needs better logging capability on individual files, etc. Also, ACLs would help (though offhand I don't remember if they're required). Haven't actually read the Orange Book requirements in a long while (thanks for the URL, Gary). -Dayne Miller dayne@wolfenet.com daynem@excell.com
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC 4.1 - Typing problem Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:16:39 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E4rons.64H@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <5cm2ni$hk5$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> In article <5cm2ni$hk5$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) writes: > No, it seems to happen in DOS mode as well. I am using version 4.1. What machine are you using, and how fast are you typing? Ordinary DOS propmt was fine when I used it (though maybe a little slow). Windows was fast. Only DOS in Windows (full screen) was really a problem, and that was just about OK on a P60, though unsuitable for fast typing. If this isn't the case then perhaps you've found a different bug. > It did not used to happen. Very upsetting. 4.0 is much faster in responding to the keyboard. Unfortunatly the side effect is that it crashes! I figured it would annoy some people, but stability was more important. $an
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701281904.OAA05277@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: f95e76a9d4260b20e81bffdf1bc69714 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 14:04:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: f95e76a9d4260b20e81bffdf1bc69714 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Original Date: 28 Jan 1997 08:43:59 GMT > What NeXTSTEP calls a "swapdisk" is not really a whole disk > dedicated to a swapfile. If you name something a swapdisk, the > rc.swap code will do some special processing which made sense 5 > years ago (in the days of smaller disks), but which is pretty > moronic today (in the days of 2 gig disks). Still, every time I > mention this someone tells me how brilliant swapdisks are. The > concept is fine, the implementation under NeXTSTEP could be > improved. That's true. I've done what I can to make it easier, and made a copy of my 'rc.swap' file available. Send me (luomat@peak.org) an email with the SUBJECT send-mome rc.swap or goto http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/mailserver/rc.swap TjL ps -- you can't just plug my copy in, but it should be simple enough to edit my rc.swap to make the "swapdisk" performance make more sense given the size of today's drives. -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701281900.OAA05249@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 1cbdda54d921e07c870232131136c8d9 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 14:00:27 -0500 Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - Kill the evil sendmail Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: 1cbdda54d921e07c870232131136c8d9 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Original Date: 27 Jan 1997 23:00:55 -0800 Message-ID: 1cbdda54d921e07c870232131136c8d9 - > Someone (probably *not* me =] ) will need to figure out how to > make Mail.app NOT look for $SPOOLDIR/$USER and look for JUST > $SPOOLDIR, or whatever. Shouldn't be too hard, I imagine. What do you mean look for $SPOOLDIR ? /usr/spool/mail/ should always exist, right? I don't know anything about how Qmail works.... if you let me know what you mean I might find a way around it. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: hlm <hlm@aplcore.jhuapl.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:02:24 -0500 Organization: VCP Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32EE6959.5F0E@aplcore.jhuapl.edu> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Stevens wrote: > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > systems. > Not exactly correct. The Intel 486SX-25 was a detuned, crippled 486DX-33. It was purely a marketing ploy on Intel's part, designed solely to kill off sales of the AMD 386DX-40. When Intel brought out the 486DX-33, they essentially abandoned the 386 market, leving a huge entry-level hole for AMD to exploit with the 386DX40. Recognizing this, Intel disabled the FPU on their 486 and sold it as a 25MHz chip instead of a 33MHz. I've heard speculation that Intel used chips which wouldn't pass tests for the DX-33, but never saw what I felt to be confirmation. Even though the cost to manufacture the 486SX-25 was presumably exactly the same, or slightly higher, than the 486DX-33, Intel sold them at a *HUGE* discount. I bought a motherboard with a surface mounted 486SX-25 back in '92 or early '93 for well under $200, when DX-33 motherboards were at least $400-500 as I recall. Intel also sold a "FPU upgrade" for the SX-25, which was reportedly another DX-33, but with an extra pin so that it wouldn't fit a DX-33 socket. Install the "FPU upgrade" and you disabled the SX-25 CPU and ran off the "upgrade" chip exclusively. Now instead of just having a disabled FPU on your SX-25 chip, taking up real estate and doing absolutely nothing, you had a totally disabled SX-25! It was an engineering embarrassment, but as I said, it was purely a marketing ploy intended to destroy AMD. Between that and the lawsuit (in which AMD eventually prevailed), Intel was successful for several years in almost totally suppressing competition. (NEC's V20 chip was a very effective competitor to the Intel 8086--I bought an "XT clone" with one of those in '86--but never had a successor.) Recently, with their reported problems with Klamath development and the alleged superiority of AMD's newest chip, perhaps that is to be remedied somewhat. Intel has played just about as dirty as Micro$oft, but without the publicity.
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Decompressing .zip files? Date: 29 Jan 1997 12:33:01 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5cng1t$3bg@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5clta3$jmh@goofy.snet.net> svenifer@snet.net writes > Is there program that will decompress PKWARE's dos pkzip/pkunzip? > > thanks Sven. Get: Opener.app Probably available at: ftp.next.peak.org It opens EVERYTHING! Well, maybe not everything, but everything that I've heard of. -- Jon Haveman
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Problems with Audio CDs and NeXTStep 3.2/Moto Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 27 Jan 97 22:30:55 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32ed2c9f.0@192.33.12.30> References: <5c5hn9$ctc@news3.texas.net> <5cd6oe$gco@nexusgate.tng.oche.de> Michael Pieper (michael@nexus1.tng.oche.de) wrote: : >It's almost as if the system won't recognize/mount audio CDs.. did I : >forget to add a filesystem type somewhere?..... : There should be a directory /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs. I have the same problem! Upon inspecting /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs, I have cdaudio.util, but not cdaudio.device. I assume this is important. Moreover, it's not on the NS3.1 CD. Do I have to generate this device myself? If so, how? If not, how do I get it? -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: svenifer@snet.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Decompressing .zip files? Date: 28 Jan 1997 22:06:59 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Message-ID: <5clta3$jmh@goofy.snet.net> Is there program that will decompress PKWARE's dos pkzip/pkunzip? thanks Sven.
From: Robert F Tobler <rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: HELP! User account keeps quitting... Date: 28 Jan 1997 22:09:34 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Message-ID: <5clteu$j1e@news.tuwien.ac.at> References: <5c7510$mdk$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <E4oAGr.1I9@onevision.de> robert@onevision.de (Robert Wunderer) wrote: > Hi Seamus, > one reason could be bad permissions on your root directory. Have a look at > your computer's root directory via the Inspector. Everyone should be > allowed to do all (read write execute). This is WRONG (I am shouting here only to warn people that this is not good for system security!). This is only the default installation of Next. It is not necessary for NextStep to work that the root directory is writeable by anyone but root. Have a look at: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/14_Security.rtfd chapter 'Protecting Directories' to find out about the correct permissions for the root directory! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert F. Tobler - tel:+43(1)58801-4585,fax:5874932 Institute of Computer Graphics - mailto:rft@cg.tuwien.ac.at Vienna University of Technology - http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~rft/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mirko@next.procom.it> Message-ID: <199701282226.XAA05690@next.procom.it> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Mirko Viviani <mirko@procom.it> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 23:26:35 +0100 Subject: mgetty 0.98 info... Ciao... I'm installing mgetty 0.98 for a replacement of std getty, but it doesn't work correctly. The problem is with the login session: the remote write his name and pw, then login write "Last login: etc etc etc on ttyfb". After that login quit itself and does not spawn the shell, it does nothing, I don't know why ! With std getty it works perfectly... Actually I'm using this entry in /etc/ttys ttyfb "/usr/local/sbin/mgetty -x 9 -r -b -s 38400 ttyfb DNXFast" unknown on secure I have tried with ttyfb, cufb and speed of 38400 and 57600 but the result is the same ! :( These are latest lines of an mgetty session: 01/28 19:30:35 yfb removing lock file 01/28 19:30:35 yfb waiting... 01/28 19:30:35 yfb checking lockfiles, locking the line 01/28 19:30:35 yfb makelock(ttyfb) called 01/28 19:30:35 yfb do_makelock: lock='/usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..ttyfb' 01/28 19:30:35 yfb lock made 01/28 19:30:35 yfb waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read: 01/28 19:30:36 yfb getlogname, read:mirko[0d] 01/28 19:30:39 yfb input finished with '\r', setting ICRNL ONLCR 01/28 19:30:39 yfb login: use login config file /usr/local/etc/mgetty+sendfax/login.config 01/28 19:30:39 yfb match: user='mirko', key='/FIDO/' 01/28 19:30:39 yfb match: user='mirko', key='*'*** hit! 01/28 19:30:39 yfb login: utmp entry: mirko 01/28 19:30:39 yfb calling login: cmd='/bin/login', argv[]='login mirko' 01/28 19:30:39 ##### data dev=ttyfb, pid=5438, caller=none, conn='DIRECT', name='', cmd='/bin/login', user='mirko' Any hints ? Thanks. --- Bye, Mirko <mirko@procom.it> (NeXTmail, MIME)
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 29 Jan 97 09:53:04 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> In-reply-to: "Keith L. Swallow"'s message of Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:27:09 -0500 In article <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net>, "Keith L. Swallow" <swallow@oar.net> writes: I need to find a copy of tcl or instructions for installing tcl 7.6 on a next with nextmach 1.0 .. I know its old... But it is what I have to work with. SO any assistance would be gratfully appreciated. Please just reply to this by mailing me : swallow@oar.net I've posted a copy of tcl7.6 modified to compile under NeXTSTEP3.3 to my home page. Getting it to compile under NS1.0 will likely be a chore, since a lot has happened since then. If you told us what goes wrong when you try to ./configure and compile it, well, then we might be able to help more. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Decompressing .zip files? Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:13:03 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970129071026.5523F-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: svenifer@snet.net In-Reply-To: 74f3aa16d80b8ec94f47e5099207f1dd - > Is there program that will decompress PKWARE's dos pkzip/pkunzip? I believe Opener.app can do this. ftp to 'eclipse.its.rpi.edu' and look under /NeXT/utils/ I think... Garance has single-arch versions of this rather large but excellent app. TjL
From: reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - Kill the evil sendmail Date: 29 Jan 1997 20:21:00 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Sender: reichman@comserv-i-60.usc.edu Message-ID: <5cobfc$a9@usc.edu> References: <x7oheab7x4.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Cc: mycroft@datasphere.net In <x7oheab7x4.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> Mycroft wrote: > > For anyone out there still running sendmail, you would be MUCH happier > from a security perspective, by switching to qmail. Now that my Cube > is finally back in working order, I did some thorough testing, and > qmail 0.96 runs just fine under NS3.3. Someone (probably *not* me =] ) > will need to figure out how to make Mail.app NOT look for > $SPOOLDIR/$USER and look for JUST $SPOOLDIR, or whatever. Shouldn't be > too hard, I imagine. How did you get Mail.app to use mail out with the proper addresses? I remember having been stumped trying to get it to handle addresses formed: "Matthew Reichman" <reichman@usc.edu>. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <reichman@usc.edu> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: ernst@fritz.snafu.de (Ernst Kloecker) Subject: NXFax : NO DIALTONE ? Message-ID: <E4sDMn.1Ir@fritz.snafu.de> Sender: news@fritz.snafu.de Organization: Software Engineering Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:15:57 GMT Does anybody know how to operate NXFax if the modem is connected to a PBX ? Apparently NXFax initialises the modem with ATX4. When connected to a PBX the modem returns NO DIALTONE when the dialing command is issued, i.e. sending faxes does not work any longer. If the modem would have been initialised with ATX3, everything would work fine. That's the modem's NVRAM setting, but NXFax issues a ATX4 after the ATZ before sending a fax, apparently. Thanks for any info, Ernst. --- Ernst Kloecker ernst@fritz.snafu.de
From: randy@text3 (Charles R. Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Which ports for these apps? Date: 29 Jan 1997 17:45:36 GMT Organization: University of Minnesota Message-ID: <5co2c0$29g@epx.cis.umn.edu> I use the Tip Top communications package to connect my NeXTstation at home to the one on my desk at work (via a University modem pool). According to the Tip Top documentation, I should be able to use term (which is included with Tip Top) to create a "SLIP-like" connection that will allow me to run newsreaders, web browsers, and the like from my home machine. But first I need to redirect the appropriate port on my home machine to the corresponding port on my office machine. That leads to my questions: 1. Which port does Omni Web use? 2. Which port does Radical News use? 3. Is there a way to find out, in general, which port an application uses? 4. Should I just give up on Tip Top and figure out how to use PPP (please keep in mind that I consider myself technically challenged)? Thanks for your help! Randy Fletcher -- =================================================================== Charles R. Fletcher e-mail: randy@text3.psych.umn.edu Department of Psychology (NeXTmail and MIME OK) University of Minnesota 75 East River Rd phone: (612) 625-6096 Minneapolis MN 55455-0344 fax: (612) 626-2079 =================================================================== WWW Home Page: http://text2.psych.umn.edu/RandyHomePage.htmld/ ===================================================================
From: barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC 4.1 - Typing problem Date: 28 Jan 1997 23:39:30 GMT Organization: via Direct Connection News service Message-ID: <5cm2ni$hk5$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> References: <5cd289$otr$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> <E4oCLz.Js9@cam-ani.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <E4oCLz.Js9@cam-ani.co.uk> No, it seems to happen in DOS mode as well. I am using version 4.1. It did not used to happen. Very upsetting. On 01/27/97, Ian Stephenson wrote: >In article <5cd289$otr$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> >barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) writes: >> Anyone have this problem? >> >> You type in a SoftPC window but not all keys you press are passed on >> to the window - sometimes a single keypress yields TWO keys on screen >> - sometime the keys appear in all caps no matter what you do. > >Is this a DOS window within windows thats giving problems? > >There was a REALLY nasty bug in 4.0 (to do with the way the iret >instruction was implemented) which broke keyboard driven context switches >when in windows (alt-tab). It could lead to the App locking up. >Unfortunatly the fix was to remove some code which sped up DOS handling (I >spent about a week trying to find a better way :-(). > >Windows apps should be fine, and DOS running by itself should be fine, but >DOS inside windows a bit sluggish. If this isn't the case, then I'll need >more info. > >If this is important to you, you could try 4.0 (or even hassle insignia to >make you a 4.1 with the iret hooks hack back in the keyboard handler!), >but be carefull about alt-tab. > >$an > -- Barton Friedland barton@clmuk.com Camilla Lowther Management 0171 727 6242 phone Top Floor, 19 All Saints Road 0171 792 0587 fax London W11 1HE
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - Kill the evil sendmail Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:22:02 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <AmvuBOS00iV6I284JO@andrew.cmu.edu> References: 1cbdda54d921e07c870232131136c8d9 - <199701281900.OAA05249@nerc.com> In-Reply-To: <199701281900.OAA05249@nerc.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 28-Jan-97 Re: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - .. by Timothy J Luoma@nerc.com >> Someone (probably *not* me =] ) will need to figure out how to >> make Mail.app NOT look for $SPOOLDIR/$USER and look for JUST >> $SPOOLDIR, or whatever. Shouldn't be too hard, I imagine. > > What do you mean look for $SPOOLDIR ? /usr/spool/mail/ should > always exist, right? $SPOOLDIR = '/usr/spool/mail' under NEXTSTEP. $SPOOLDIR = '/var/spool/mail' under some other operating systems, like Solaris. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: bngover@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Bradford Gover) Subject: Anyone successfully installed Xnext? Message-ID: <E4sDK5.4tn@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:14:28 GMT Tried to install Xnext the other day with not much success. Anyone successfully done this or know where there's help (eg., a FAQ)? If you don't know what I'm talking about and are interested, check out ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/X11/server/Xnext/Xnext-README Thanks for any help, Brad Gover
From: "Peter Q. Olsson" <peter.olsson@gi.alaska.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FTP sites Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:04:12 -0900 Organization: Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks Message-ID: <32EF959A.78F7@gi.alaska.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all- What has happened to the ftp sites for NeXTStep/Openstep freeware/shareware. The "old" usuals (ftp.cs.orst.edu, cs.orst.edu, nova.cc.purdue.edu, sonata.cc.purdue.edu, etc )pointed to by SO many of the out-of-date web pages no longer work or refuse ftp connections. What gives? Any suggestions for alternqates -- ############################################ # # Dr. Peter Q. Olsson # Geophysical Institute # University of Alaska Fairbanks # Fairbanks, AK 99775 # # voice: (907) 474-6477 # fax: (907) 474 7290 # e-mail: peter.olsson@gi.alaska.edu # #############################################
From: Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.3 + Qmail - Kill the evil sendmail Date: 29 Jan 1997 14:45:03 -0800 Organization: DataSphere Sender: mycroft@chrome.datasphere.net Message-ID: <x7lo9cgky8.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> References: <x7oheab7x4.fsf@chrome.datasphere.net> <5cobfc$a9@usc.edu> reichman@usc.edu (Matthew N. Reichman) writes: > > How did you get Mail.app to use mail out with the proper addresses? I > remember having been stumped trying to get it to handle addresses formed: > "Matthew Reichman" <reichman@usc.edu>. > Matthew- Ummn. I'm not really sure what you mean...if you could clarify your question, maybe I could help =] If it's related to Mail.app, Timothy Luomat (TjL) is your best bet...he knows a whole lot more then me, about NeXTStep =] If it's a general Unix question, a security question, or a Qmail/Sendmail/WhateverMTA question, I'll probably be able to answer it (hopefully) =] .mycroft -- [:]====================================================================[:] [\] Mycroft <mycroft@datasphere.net> >>>>>[DataSphere]<<<<< [=] [=] Key fingerprint = DD B1 A7 D9 2D DF A0 F7 23 C2 6B EC 5A AD 01 A9 [\] [:]====================================================================[:]
From: ge5@umail.umd.edu (Geoffrey S. Elbo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: WWW Browser / Internet Setup Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 01:40:15 GMT Organization: Career Center Univ. of MD Message-ID: <5cou8v$3sc@hecate.umd.edu> Hello. I recently got a NeXT box, not the cube. I need to set it up for Internet use and get a web browser for it. Can anyone help? Thanks. ---- ___ ___....-----'---`-----....___ LIVE LONG AND PROSPER! ===================================== Geoffrey S. Elbo ___`---..._______...---'___ ge5@umail.umd.edu (___) _|_|_|_ (___) \\____.-'_.---._`-.____// Career Center - UMCP `~~~~`.__`---'__.'~~~~' University of Maryland at College Park ~~~~~ http://www.CareerCenter.umd.edu/
From: stanifor@cs.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FileSpy filters Date: 30 Jan 1997 01:05:32 GMT Organization: Northcoast Internet Message-ID: <5cos4s$oec@alder.northcoast.com> Has anyone got FileSpy to work correctly? (FileSpy is an app to be found at ftp://next-ftp.peak/org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/FileSpy.1.1.NIHS.b.tar. gz which allows (or should allow) you to easily monitor changes to your system log files). It sorta works for me, but the filters don't seem to work at all (although the syntax is not well documented). Without those, it's way too noisy. Eg. I've tried the following filter lines: autonfsmount repeated "*auto.home*args to yp function are bad*" *autonfsmount* *repeated* and it does not prevent items of the form: Jan 29 16:55:00 helvellyn autonfsmount: auto.home: args to yp function are bad from showing up. Thanks, Stuart Staniford-Chen Computer Security Group University of California at Davis
From: Jan Skypala <skypalaj@alpha.inf.upol.cz> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:03:07 +0100 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <32EFACFB.59E2@alpha.inf.upol.cz> References: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lasse Olsen wrote: > So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? > Cheers... You've got to wait a minute or so, but while waiting check out: http://www.exp.com/products/x704/x704bull.html -- One ---------------------------------------------------------------------- __ __ / | One of Better Software Jan Skypala / / /_ | one@risc.upol.cz Zasovska 730 / / | | skypalaj@alpha.inf.upol.cz 757 01 Val. Mez. __ / / | | http://www.inf.upol.cz/~skypalaj Czech Republic \ \ / / |_| A1200/030+882@50/2+16RAM/850HD Tel: +42-651-22573 \_X_/ - Have a good die. Oh, sorry. Have a good day. -
From: jmosher@think.com (Jessica Mosher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Is there a way to run a web browser on black hardware? Date: 29 Jan 1997 23:20:44 GMT Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Bedford MA, USA Message-ID: <5com0c$jh4@bone.think.com> References: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970129065801.5523D-100000@kira> Tim, I don't have web access. Where can I get the patch for OmniWeb on 3.2 via ftp? Thanks for the followup post! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jessica L. Mosher Thinking Machines Corporation Systems Support Engineer c/o American Express
From: "Sam.Chow" <Sam.Chow@prodigy.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.database,comp.client-server Subject: Openstep vs Powerbuilder vs Delphi Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:48:20 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet Message-ID: <32F01A04.11EF@prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Netters, I will be involved in a client-server database project in March. One of my responsibility is to create GUI to query our new database which is a Sybase server on the Sun platform. This GUI would not only display alphanumerical text data but also capable of interpreting the data and plot out graphs and plots. It is not as fancy as the EXCEL or any commerical grade mathematical anaytical program. As you can see I do my software development on Solaris and occassionally on Windows. And I have always prefer to fo my development on Solaris. One of the in-house application that I was asked to use is powerbuilder (Windows 95) to develop client-server based applications. But I have looked at other options like Openstep, Webobject, Delphi and even Java. I seems to like Openstep and WebObject very much but Openstep doesn't seem to support Win 3.1 and Win95 (although, I heard that NeXT will be releasing Openstep for Win95 soon). Lastly, I do want to consider other products. Since I have not tried any of the above mentioned with the exception of Powerbuilder and Java, I want to get some feedback from the internet. I would like to hear from anybody who have used or evaluated some of the above products before specifically Openstep, Powerbuilder and Webobject. I appreciate anyone who would respond and thank you for reading. Regards, Samuel Chow
From: barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC 4.1 - Typing problem Date: 30 Jan 1997 01:12:12 GMT Organization: via Direct Connection News service Message-ID: <5coshc$44h$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> References: <5cm2ni$hk5$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> <E4rons.64H@cam-ani.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <E4rons.64H@cam-ani.co.uk> Canon object.station 41 This did not happen in the 4.0 version I had. On 01/29/97, Ian Stephenson wrote: >In article <5cm2ni$hk5$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> >barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) writes: >> No, it seems to happen in DOS mode as well. I am using version 4.1. >What machine are you using, and how fast are you typing? Ordinary DOS >propmt was fine when I used it (though maybe a little slow). Windows was >fast. Only DOS in Windows (full screen) was really a problem, and that was >just about OK on a P60, though unsuitable for fast typing. > >If this isn't the case then perhaps you've found a different bug. > >> It did not used to happen. Very upsetting. >4.0 is much faster in responding to the keyboard. Unfortunatly the side >effect is that it crashes! I figured it would annoy some people, but >stability was more important. > >$an > -- Barton Friedland barton@clmuk.com Camilla Lowther Management 0171 727 6242 phone Top Floor, 19 All Saints Road 0171 792 0587 fax London W11 1HE
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Which ports for these apps? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 03:16:27 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qmw5XPS00iWUAMBgZo@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5co2c0$29g@epx.cis.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <5co2c0$29g@epx.cis.umn.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.software: 29-Jan-97 Which ports for these apps? by Charles R. Fletcher@text > 1. Which port does Omni Web use? 80. (And 443 if you are dealing with secure transactions-- https.) > 2. Which port does Radical News use? 119. > 3. Is there a way to find out, in general, which port an application uses? Look at /etc/services, and/or use 'netstat -n'. > 4. Should I just give up on Tip Top and figure out how to use PPP > (please keep in mind that I consider myself technically challenged)? I'd say yes, but it is up to you. Proxying services is less efficient than a real PPP connection, but is a little safer in terms of security requirements. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199701291700.MAA10521@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 12:00:43 -0500 Subject: Re: another cool thing about Colorizer.bundle for Mail.app Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com References: af7e387ced1b169debe9099e1a0f8dc7 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> Original Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 01:01:27 +0100 > As in, to let procmail + appnmail kick in? :-) exactly. > (Except that EnhanceMail's online help is nowhere to be found in > Mail's help panel anymore, but that is probably EMs own fault...) Colorizer's help now appears in the Help panel (at least in 3.3) where EM used to be. Eric's bundle must have twiddled with the help-hack for EM. Renaming the "ColorHelp" entry in Colorizer doesn't solve the problem either. Oh well... I didn't particularly _need_ EM's online help, but I didn't need it broken either :-( TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL!
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: FTP sites Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:04:14 +0100 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <32F0721E.2781@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <32EF959A.78F7@gi.alaska.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Q. Olsson wrote: > > Hello all- > > What has happened to the ftp sites for NeXTStep/Openstep > freeware/shareware. The "old" usuals (ftp.cs.orst.edu, cs.orst.edu, > nova.cc.purdue.edu, sonata.cc.purdue.edu, etc )pointed to by SO many of > the out-of-date web pages no longer work or refuse ftp connections. > What gives? Any suggestions for alternqates > -- http://peanuts.leo.org/ http://peanuts.leo.org/server/mirrors-e.html Check out the mirrors please, this site is in Europe ! ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: David Grindrod <grindrod@mailhost.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: OPENSTEP 4.1 and Windows NT Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:21:03 +0100 Organization: EMBL Distribution: world Message-ID: <32F0922F.2781@mailhost.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just installed OPENSTEP 4.1 for windows NT and although all the developers stuff seems to work okay, there does not seem to be any applications. What I wondered was if there was any of the NeXT applications included, such as the mail program and the terminal etc. These were not on the distibution I have. Was the port limited just to the developers stuff? Has anyone any experience of porting generally available software to OPENSTEP/Windows NT and is there any archive off application for windows NT available. I could not see anything on the peanuts archive which is fairly extensive here in Germany. Email replies preferred if possible. Dave -- David grindrod, NMR System Manager, EMBL Heidelberg. Email: mailto:grindrod@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE HTML Home Page: http://www.NMR.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE/grindrod/
From: Christopher Rath <crath@nortel.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Anyone successfully installed Xnext? Date: 30 Jan 1997 07:32:23 -0500 Organization: Northern Telecom Ltd., Ottawa, Canada Message-ID: <iwkwwsvny20.fsf@bmerhe83.nortel.ca> References: <E4sDK5.4tn@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca> I was unable to make it work. I have installed it on two separate occasions (just to make sure I didn't make some silly mistake the first time) with the same outcome: the X server is never able to start. I've tried emailing the author, but he has never responded. Christopher === Christopher Rath ===== crath@bnr.ca ===== (613) 765-3141 === Northern Telecom Ltd. | Box 3511, Station `C' | ``Hydrogen is a colourless, odourless Ottawa, ON K1Y 4H7 | gas which, given enough time, turns FAX: (613) 763-4101 | into people.'' --- Henry Hiebert
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC 4.1 - Typing problem Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:59:45 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E4to3M.BMC@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <5coshc$44h$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> In article <5coshc$44h$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> barton@doggy.dircon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) writes: > Canon object.station 41 > This did not happen in the 4.0 version I had. That pretty much confirms it - I've always found object stations to be dog slow! Your options are: 1) live with it. 2) Go back to 4.0 3) hassle Insignia for a patch #3 is a one line change (which is in turn ifdef'd), so the actuall work involved is minimal. However scince I left , they have no one regularly working on NeXTStep. Hence there's a big overhead of figuring out the build system, and making a release. They will need to pick up some of the old NeXTStep for MacOS8, so they may be willing to issue a patch. However the fix will bring back the old context switching bug. $an
From: ws@helga.helga.mfh-iserlohn.de (Waldemar Skorupa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: freeWAISsf on NeXT (HP PA-RISC or i486) Date: 30 Jan 1997 14:05:08 GMT Organization: FernUni Hagen Message-ID: <5cq9qk$qco@ilex.FernUni-Hagen.de> Hello I'm a Student writing his Diploma which is implementing a WAIS-Server on our NEXT-system. with the possibility to search in our pages and other databases via WWW. The second goal should be done with SFgate and WIASPERL. SFgate needs WAISPERL and WAISPERL needs the compiled sources of freeWAISsf. Due to heavy problems compiling freeWAISsf I want to ask you if thery is any possibility to get to the compiled source of freeWAISsf. I need them badly else there is no possibility to compile WAISPERL and further on SFgate. I would be very happy if you can help me with my problems or make better suggestions. many greetings from Germany Waldemar Skorupa Maerkische FH Hagen
From: ag082@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Andrew Orr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Need money for software? Date: 30 Jan 1997 14:59:00 GMT Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet, Ontario, Canada. Message-ID: <5cqcvk$t11@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> To Find out more about this sensational money making opportunity Email me at <andyorr@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> with "30 days" as your subject for all the FREE details. DO IT NOW and Make Money! Andrew A. Orr, <andyorr@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> -- Andrew A. Orr, U.E.L., Dipl. President of the Andrew Club http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag082/Profile.html "Life is like a bowl of Cherries, fifty percent pits!" --- AAO
From: hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hot tip: Eloquent/academic Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:02:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Message-ID: <970130100254.1529AAFpG.carl@einstein> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Keywords: Eloquent, mail, newsreader I just purchased Eloquent, a great mail program-cum-newsreader. I like it for both tasks *much* better than Mail.app and Alexandra.app, my former standbys. And the academic-user price is unbelievable ... if you have ever cursed Mail.app and/or your newsreader for not being as smoothly functional as Eudora or Netscape (or ... pick your fave windoze apps), you need to check out Eloquent. Carl Hoefer UC Riverside hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Question Date: 30 Jan 1997 16:28:29 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5cr3pt$3n@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <32F109F1.4BB@onramp.net> In article <32F109F1.4BB@onramp.net>, rmaniac@onramp.net wrote: > I found a gif of what was supposed to be NeXTSTEP 4.0 a while back. That was likely a mockup of a 4.0 beta release. > It had a new dock, gradient windows bars and many niceties. I picked up a > copy of openstep 4.1 and it looks just like NS 3.3. Am I missing a > setting or did they scrap all the visual stuff when they moved from > NeXTSTEP to OPENSTEP? They scrapped it. The betas had a new UI, but that didn't make it into 4.0. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: Lyle Seaman <lws@transarc.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.os.linux.development.system Subject: Re: Nextstep Swapspace problem... Non! Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:59:48 -0500 Organization: Transarc Message-ID: <32F127E4.5CEE@transarc.com> References: <5cfqk8$86u@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at> <854317381.11310@dejanews.com> <5ch70o$stl$1@wagner.spc.videotron.ca> <5cim2v$3v6@news.ox.ac.uk> <SHESS.97Jan28094520@slave.one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amidst all this talk about compressing swap files, the obvious (?) solution is missed. Why not just identify the unused pages in the swap file and punch holes in it? Ordinarily it might require sneaking in behind UFS, but if you own the OS, you can create a well-defined interface. Or am I missing something? Sorry to continue a thread which someone tried to kill pre-emptively, but I confess, I only subscribe to these groups intermittently...
From: byrnejbb@ix.netcom.com (John B. Byrne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: backup/restore Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 19:20:04 -0500 Organization: Integrated Wellness Systems Message-ID: <byrnejbb-3001971920110001@bal-md6-18.ix.netcom.com> Go easy on me, I new to NeXT World.... I'd like to backup my NeXT Station to a Zip drive. I think I need to get a SCSII cable and just plug it in, right? Is there backup software in NeXT Step or something the experts recommend? Thanks! John Byrne
From: na@ok.com Organization: The.Copy.Cat Shop. Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <5cr4m4$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5cr4m4$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <5cr4m4$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> References: <5cr4m4$5f@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:44:38 +1 EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hweede@berlin.snafu.de. This is an ongoing spam whose Breidbart index already is above 20. See my report "TheCopyCatShop" or "summary of auto-cancels" in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Subject was: Complete P133 Computer System.
From: Brian Sutherland <rmaniac@onramp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Question Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:52:01 -0600 Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Message-ID: <32F109F1.4BB@onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a gif of what was supposed to be NeXTSTEP 4.0 a while back. It had a new dock, gradient windows bars and many niceties. I picked up a copy of openstep 4.1 and it looks just like NS 3.3. Am I missing a setting or did they scrap all the visual stuff when they moved from NeXTSTEP to OPENSTEP? The file I speak of is ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/next/Graphics/From_NeXT/ns40.gif Please write back both E-mail and newsgroup so I will be sure to get it. my email address is in my sig it is not uptop for spam resons. -Brian bcs@onramp.net
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From: nextsale@ibgi.com (Ed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: FS - 3.0 & 3.1 CD's Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:11:22 GMT Organization: IBGi Message-ID: <32f0abf4.92868206@news.cfa.org> 3.0 NeXT OS available . $ 60.00 3.1 Developer $ 110.00 Shipping included in the price ( USA only). 1-914-928-3076 ext. 2 SALES Visit our NeXtsale page: http://www.ibgi.com/nextsale.htm ________________________________________________
From: ptwareck@the-wire.com (Piotr Twarecki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: OPENSTEP 4.1 & 25 MHz Black Date: 31 Jan 1997 03:17:37 GMT Organization: -the-Wire- in Toronto, Canada Message-ID: <5cro8h$360$1@news.the-wire.com> ReplyTo: ptwareck@the-wire.com Hi, Could anyone comment on the performance of OS4.1 vs NS3.2 or such like? Is it worth upgrading to it with black hardware? Thanks in advance! -- --- Piotr Twarecki <ptwareck@the-wire.com> (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Anyone successfully installed Xnext? Date: 30 Jan 97 06:31:25 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <32f0403d.0@192.33.12.30> References: <E4sDK5.4tn@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca> Bradford Gover (bngover@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca) wrote: : Tried to install Xnext the other day with not much success. Anyone : successfully done this or know where there's help (eg., a FAQ)? : If you don't know what I'm talking about and are interested, check out : ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/X11/server/Xnext/Xnext-README It seems to me that there are a couple of different X servers for NS calling themselves XNeXT. I tried using this some app that started a window on your screen as an Xserver which called itself XNeXT and it was *terrible*. I would avoid this one if possible... plus, it's shareware, and the author is asking for money, and I just don't think it's worth it. I'm now using another set up called mouseX that tends to work very well. It seems to have been built by some folks at McGill, so it also sometimes has the name 'McGill X project', or something along those lines. I would go to next-ftp.peak.org and look in /pub/next/XNeXT/mouseX. It's also confusing because there are big tar files in /pub/next/XNeXT, but these didn't work for me. The only way was for me to grab all the different packages in /pub/next/XNeXT/mouseX. -- -jon klein jklein@freon.artificial.com Caper will do it for me.
From: yucheng@math.arizona.edu (Yu-Wen Cheng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Which ports for these apps? Date: 31 Jan 1997 07:25:46 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Message-ID: <5cs6pq$16o2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> I must admit that I don't really remember the exact procedures (it has been a while since I switched to Slirp + PPP). So you may have to try it by yourself. Anyway, here are from my memory. (1). To run OmniWeb under Term: * Get a copy of the CERN http daemon. * Set up the server to run as a caching proxy running on port 8000 (or 8080) by modifying the sample configuration file "caching.conf" or "proxy.conf". You will have to read some of the docs which come with the server, but it is pretty easy. * Use tredir to redirect port 8000 (or 8080) so that it appears local. For instance, tredir 8000 net.connected.machine:8000 * Configure Omniweb via the preference panel to use the proxy: http://localhost:8000/ for all httpd requests. (2). To read News under Term: * Use tredir to redirct port 119; i.e., tredir 119 news.remote.machine:119 (3). Don't know. (Can someone help to answer this?) (4). Definitely. You should try Slirp + PPP. It is really a much better solution. On 01/29/97 in the group comp.sys.next.software you wrote: > >1. Which port does Omni Web use? >2. Which port does Radical News use? >3. Is there a way to find out, in general, which port an application uses? >4. Should I just give up on Tip Top and figure out how to use PPP (please >keep in mind that > I consider myself technically challenged)? > >Thanks for your help! > >Randy Fletcher > > > -- ---------------- Yuwen Cheng University of Arizona, Math yucheng@math.arizona.edu
From: "Nick Carrigan" <nickc@accessone.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: NextStep for Intel 3.3 User Edition Date: 31 Jan 1997 05:03:06 GMT Organization: AccessOne Message-ID: <01bc0f33$49c187e0$c443d5ce@default> Selling a copy of Nextstep 3.3 for Intel.... $100 + shipping (obo) Nick
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: VRML 2.0 development for NS/OS?? Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 02:27:02 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services-Illinois State University Message-ID: <32F1ACD2.72B6@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <01bc0d3b$d53393d0$475fbace@opcentre> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ross Leonard wrote: > > Good Day! > > Has anyone ever come across any VRML development Environments for > NextStep/OpenStep, specifically that supports level 2.0/Moving Worlds? Check into the GNU 3D kit info at http://www.gnustep.org > We will be developing primarily using WebObjects with the JAVA extensions > on black hardware/NextStep 3.3 (though a move to OpenStep is not > out-of-the-question). We definitely will need to integrate VRML into our > solutions, and therefore a visual VRML DevKit is badly needed. I'd *really > rather not* manually code it myself. The Java ext's are NOT out for MACH! :( -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Hot tip: Eloquent/academic Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 02:31:57 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services-Illinois State University Message-ID: <32F1ADF9.57F@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <970130100254.1529AAFpG.carl@einstein> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu hoefer@citrus.ucr.edu wrote: > > I just purchased Eloquent, a great mail program-cum-newsreader. I like it You forgot the obligatory URL! Anyone have one? -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Jonathan B. Leffert" <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: latex for OS 4.1? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090257.22385A-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> Sender: jbleffer@woodlawn.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:03:40 GMT I got the latex2e base and packages package from ftp.next.peak.org and installed them. there was not tex or latex binary so nothing would work. where can i get a distribution that works? jon Jonathan B. Leffert <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> "Funny how ev'rything was roses when we held on to the guns, just because you're winnin' don't mean you're the lucky ones." -- Guns n' Roses, Breakdown finger -l jbleffer@woodlawn.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Jonathan B. Leffert" <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: sendmail config? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090432.22385B-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> Sender: jbleffer@woodlawn.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:05:22 GMT I just installed OS 4.1 for intel and now when i use nextmail to send mail, the mail bounces with a host unknown error. now, dns stuff is working fine so this seems really bizarre. what kind of config stuff does sendmail need? jon Jonathan B. Leffert <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> "Funny how ev'rything was roses when we held on to the guns, just because you're winnin' don't mean you're the lucky ones." -- Guns n' Roses, Breakdown finger -l jbleffer@woodlawn.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: "Jonathan B. Leffert" <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: cc++ not working Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090747.22995B-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> Sender: jbleffer@woodlawn.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:09:12 GMT I'm running OS 4.1 developer for intel. I'm trying to compile this simple program t.C: #include <iostream.h> int main() { cout << "hello world!\n"; return 0; } with a command $ cc++ t.C i then get this error: ld: Undefined symbols: ostream::operator<<(char const *) cout what is going on? jon Jonathan B. Leffert <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> "Funny how ev'rything was roses when we held on to the guns, just because you're winnin' don't mean you're the lucky ones." -- Guns n' Roses, Breakdown finger -l jbleffer@woodlawn.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
From: Jason Wagner <jason@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: 3D? Date: 31 Jan 1997 08:14:05 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Message-ID: <5ct27t$9ie@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> I've been seeing references to the "Fatted Calf" CD with "Renderman" files.... then I read in teh FAQ that NEXTSTEP comes with a "3D toolkit." Can anyone tell me more about the graphics and animation type software that comes with NEXTSTEP? How well do NeXT machines run this software?? Thanks! Jason -- Regards. @@@@ _ @()@ Jason Wagner @@()@@ _(_)_ @()@() vVVVv @@@@ (_)@(_) ()@()@) (___) jason@primenet.com / (_) _\|/_ Y webmaster@automationplus.com \ | \ / |-----| \ | / www.primenet.com/~jason \\|// \\|/ \___/ \\\|// www.automationplus.com
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: latex for OS 4.1? Date: 31 Jan 1997 15:38:28 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5ct3lk$lh5@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090257.22385A-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090257.22385A-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> "Jonathan B. Leffert" <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> writes: > I got the latex2e base and packages package from ftp.next.peak.org and > installed them. there was not tex or latex binary so nothing would work. > where can i get a distribution that works? Read the documentation next time. (-; I believe the latex2e package you refer to is the one I built as an add-on to NeXTTex.pkg, which WAS inlcuded in NS 3.3, but not in subsequent releases. I'd recommend you pick up teTeX. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: cc++ not working Date: 31 Jan 1997 15:40:03 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5ct3oj$lhi@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090747.22995B-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970131090747.22995B-100000@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> "Jonathan B. Leffert" <jbleffer@midway.uchicago.edu> writes: > I'm running OS 4.1 developer for intel. > with a command > $ cc++ t.C > i then get this error: > ld: Undefined symbols: > ostream::operator<<(char const *) > cout Sigh... again... read the documentation... (-; cc++ t.C -lg++ (or something close to that). You need to specify the c++ library to link against. It's in the developer docs. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: tetsu@alcatraz.net (Andre Tsurukame) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Daydream -- MacOs emulator questions Date: 20 Jan 1997 23:39:28 GMT Organization: VE Information system, Inc. Message-ID: <5c0vng$co4@uruguay.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I am currently running Daydream 2.11 by Quix on our NextStation computers here and I have a couple of questions if anyone can help me out. 1. Can daydream run the lastest version of system 7.5? 2. We are currently have 7.5.3 installed on our Nextstation using Daydream and we are encountering some graphic/display glitches. For example when running Netscape 2.02, some of the inline images, such Netscape Homepage Logo, comes out looking skewed looking very psychedelic with green and blue splotches. We installed the daydream 1.43 color patch, but this did not help. 3. What is the most current release of daydream. If 2.11 is the most current, are there any plans by Quix to put out any newer versions? Thanks for anyone help you can give me. - Andre
From: notmy@address.org (Collin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mouse Speed Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:24:15 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Sender: clp5@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <notmy-3101971224150001@cu-dialup-1228.cit.cornell.edu> Hello Again, One thing I find slightly annoying about my NeXT is that even on the fastest tracking setting I don't feel like the mouse tracks across the screen fast enough for my liking. It seems that the top tracking speed on the NeXT is about equivalent to the medium tracking speed on my Mac (yes, also with a 17" monitor). I feel like I'm always having to pick up the mouse and put it back on the pad. Anyway, the question is...has anyone written some little patch that speeds up the mouse tracking speed or is there some other trick? Thanks...Collin ------- Sorry, I'm tired of junk email, so my reply address is invalid. clp5@cornell.edu
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Mouse Speed Date: 31 Jan 1997 18:07:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5ctcdq$lj8$2@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <notmy-3101971224150001@cu-dialup-1228.cit.cornell.edu> notmy@address.org (Collin) wrote: >Hello Again, > One thing I find slightly annoying about my NeXT is that even on the >fastest tracking setting I don't feel like the mouse tracks across the >screen fast enough for my liking. It seems that the top tracking speed on >the NeXT is about equivalent to the medium tracking speed on my Mac (yes, >also with a 17" monitor). I feel like I'm always having to pick up the >mouse and put it back on the pad. Anyway, the question is...has anyone >written some little patch that speeds up the mouse tracking speed or is >there some other trick? >Thanks...Collin > >------- >Sorry, I'm tired of junk email, so my reply address is invalid. >clp5@cornell.edu Actually I've found that there is a "trick" to using the NeXT mouse. The faster you move the mouse from one spot on the mouse pad to another, the *farther* the arrow moves on the screen. ie, the arrow travel has a nonlinear relationship to the mouse travel. You can see this by placing your mouse at the left edge of the pad and the arrow at the left edge of the screen. SLOWLY move the mouse to the right edge of the pad. The pointer will only make it about halfway across the screen before you run out of pad (17" screen). Now repeat the test, but move the mouse QUICKLY across the pad. The pointer reaches the right edge of the screen before the mouse has even traveled half the pad width. Knowing this you can move the pointer around the screen without picking up the mouse much. If you need to cover alot of territory with the pointer, move the mouse quickly. As you near what you are going to click on, slow down (as is natural). It takes some practice, but I have come to like it better than the standard Windoze mouse... --Ryan
From: jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 31 Jan 1997 10:57:33 -0700 Organization: Verinet Communications Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> In article <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com>, Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293 <powers@ml.com> wrote: >jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: > > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. > > > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so > > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) > > systems. > >Ummm, didn't the 486sx have a different pinout? That would argue >against this. Possibly not. Remember, the pinout is part of the packaging. You can, (and some companies do, to save money) test the silicon before packaging it. Of course, you gotta watch that heat dissapation. . . >The FP Coprocessor is a relatively expensive piece of >silicon, so they would have had reason to drop it for cost-savings. Yah. This is another scenario. As stated above, I was just guessing. But tell me, as an INTEL manager, if you could test the silicon before packaging it, and everything worked fine exept the FP, would you just throw away a very expensive piece of silicon, or would you think seriously about packaging it differently, and selling it as a different part (albeit with the FP completely disabled. . .)? I believe that for a while, due to the high cost of fab, that HP was actually *repairing* chips. This would argue that it is not only possible to depackage and repackage, but possible to do it in a commercially feasible way. . . John S.
From: indy@pachacuti.is.com (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: backup/restore Date: 31 Jan 1997 17:51:59 GMT Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ctbfv$hv3@medusa.is.com> References: <byrnejbb-3001971920110001@bal-md6-18.ix.netcom.com> In article <byrnejbb-3001971920110001@bal-md6-18.ix.netcom.com> byrnejbb@ix.netcom.com (John B. Byrne) writes: > Go easy on me, I new to NeXT World.... > > I'd like to backup my NeXT Station to a Zip drive. I think I need to get a > SCSII cable and just plug it in, right? Is there backup software in NeXT > Step or something the experts recommend? Yes: SafetyNet from Systemix. Check out...darn, my pointer vanished. Look around on the archives. -- | Steve Weintz | "The Deliverator's car packs enough potential energy | indy@is.com | in its batteries to fire a pound of bacon into the | 612.686.4085 | Asteroid Belt." -- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash
From: cpryor@zariski.ftf.lth.se (Craig Pryor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Subject: omniweb multilanguage support? Date: 31 Jan 1997 20:27:59 GMT Organization: Lund University Message-ID: <5ctkkf$fc6$1@merkurius.lu.se> How do you select what language Omniweb downloads from sites with multilanguage support? Web pages from the internet movie database appear in French and German using Omniweb (2.0.1 and 2.5.b2). I was able to change the language by changing my *second* choice language in workspace preferences, but still no english. I fixed the problem by going into Omni.dictionary and commenting out these lines: OWHTTPProcessor = { languageAbbreviations = { English = en; /* French = fr;*/ /* German = de;*/ /* Japanese = ja;*/ /* Chinese = zh;*/ /* Korean = ko;*/ /* Italian = it;*/ /* Spanish = es;*/ /* Portugese = pt;*/ }; }; Now I get pages in english, but isn't there a "right" way to do this? Craig Pryor Physics Dept. Lund Sweden cpryor@zariski.ftf.lth.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software From: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org._NO_SPAM (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: FTP sites Message-ID: <1997Jan31.101606.402@gamelan.shnet.org> Sender: thomas@gamelan.shnet.org (thomas) Cc: ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de Organization: Disorganization References: <32EF959A.78F7@gi.alaska.edu> <32F0721E.2781@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:16:06 GMT In <32F0721E.2781@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried wrote: > Peter Q. Olsson wrote: > > > > Hello all- > > > > What has happened to the ftp sites for NeXTStep/Openstep > > freeware/shareware. The "old" usuals (ftp.cs.orst.edu, cs.orst.edu, > > nova.cc.purdue.edu, sonata.cc.purdue.edu, etc )pointed to by SO many of > > the out-of-date web pages no longer work or refuse ftp connections. > > What gives? Any suggestions for alternqates > > -- > > > > http://peanuts.leo.org/ > http://peanuts.leo.org/server/mirrors-e.html This site has been renamed to: www.peanuts.org ftp.peanuts.org
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