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From: Ed <Ed@here.com> Newsgroups: sci.space.tech,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: No more PowerPCs (Was Re: GET RID OF THE F***ING BOARD!! Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:00:01 -0500 Organization: Harris Electronic System Sector Message-ID: <34318471.1925@here.com> References: <see-below-0509970026400001@ip64.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.ps i.net> <01bcba15$447c2f00$48e04382@broennic.online.no> <acurylo-0509971010020001@p2-29.van.tvs.net> <5ur2uv$r3s@crcnis3.unl.edu> <5uurkb$d74@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <5v1sq9$dfb$1@news.jumpnet.com> <342AB520.54C7@lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delivery-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:46:18 -0700 Return-Path: news@su102w.ess.harris.com for <gherbert@crl.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:42:22 -0700 (PDT) env-from (news@su102w.ess.harris.com) id QQdjhj04111; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:47:42 -0400 (EDT) for <sci-space-tech@uunet.uu.net>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:47:20 -0400 (EDT) To: sci-space-tech@uunet.uu.net Paul Kapcio wrote: - -Tim Olson wrote: -> -> In article <5uurkb$d74@gap.cco.caltech.edu> -> madler@alumni.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: -> -> > In article <5ur2uv$r3s@crcnis3.unl.edu>, -> > Josh Hesse <00093182@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: -> > >doesn't the Mars Rover use a version of the Intel 8085? -> > -> > Yep. A rad-hard 80C85. Pathfinder doesn't have a PPC either. Actually, the radiation hardened version of the 80C85 was not from Intel... It was from Harris Semiconductor :) -> -> Well, you are correct in the strictest sense of "PPC". But -> *does* have a rad-hard RS/6000 on board: -> -> [From IBM's web pages]: -> ---- -<snip> -> -- Tim Olson - -The MPF computer contains the Lockheed Martin Federal Systems -- Manasss RAD-6000 CPU. LM designed the computer board and -manufactured the RAD-6000 CPU. The CPU design is a transfer -of the IBM RSC (RISC single chip) processor that was the first -in the lineage of PowerPC chips. The RSC begat the PowerPC 601 -(RSC + Motorola 88000 bus + misc.). - -It has no connection to the MIPS Rx000 processors as was -stated in several earlier posts. - -When the RAD-6000 was first started we were part of IBM; w -hen we delivered the RAD-6000 we were part of Loral -and when it landed we were part of LM ;-) -This has caused part of the confusion as to who did what. - -Paul Kapcio -Applications Engineering for Space Systems -Lockheed Martin Federal Systems - Manassas - Ed
From: "Richard B. Katz" <stellere_nospam@erols.com> Newsgroups: sci.space.tech,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: No more PowerPCs (Was Re: GET RID OF THE F***ING BOARD!! Date: 1 Oct 1997 02:03:21 GMT Organization: Stellar Engineering, Ltd. Message-ID: <01bcce0d$ee39e6c0$0d82accf@default> References: <see-below-0509970026400001@ip64.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <01bcba15$447c2f00$48e04382@broennic.online.no> <acurylo-0509971010020001@p2-29.van.tvs.net> <5ur2uv$r3s@crcnis3.unl.edu> <5uurkb$d74@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <5v1sq9$dfb$1@news.jumpnet.com> <342AB520.54C7@lmco.com> <34318471.1925@here.com> Delivery-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:59:15 -0700 Return-Path: news@winter.news.erols.com for <gherbert@crl.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:58:18 -0700 (PDT) env-from (news@winter.news.erols.com) for <gherbert@crl.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) env-from (news@winter.news.erols.com) id QQdjhw12405; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:03:21 -0400 (EDT) To: sci-space-tech@uunet.uu.net Ed <Ed@here.com> wrote in article <34318471.1925@here.com>... > Paul Kapcio wrote: > - > -Tim Olson wrote: > -> > -> In article <5uurkb$d74@gap.cco.caltech.edu> > -> madler@alumni.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > -> > -> > In article <5ur2uv$r3s@crcnis3.unl.edu>, > -> > Josh Hesse <00093182@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > -> > >doesn't the Mars Rover use a version of the Intel 8085? > -> > > -> > Yep. A rad-hard 80C85. Pathfinder doesn't have a PPC either. > > Actually, the radiation hardened version of the 80C85 was not from > Intel... > > It was from Harris Semiconductor :) > was this the sandia national lab design? :-) ------------------------------------------------------------- rk "there's nothing like real data to screw up a great theory" - me (modified from original, slightly more colorful version) -------------------------------------------------------------
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OpenStep 4.2 problems! Date: 1 Oct 97 03:04:50 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <3431bdd2.0@192.33.12.30> I'm having a couple of problems running OpenStep on a turbo slab. I just upgraded from 3.3. 1. My windows still have the 3.3 look. Not a big problem, but it makes me wonder if the installation went right... 2. In my interface builder class list, the operations menu usually containing Subclass, Instantiate, Parse, etc is missing. I guess I can use the class submenu, but it looks to me like something is wrong... Has anybody encountered these problems? -- -jon klein, jklein@freon.artificial.com NeXTmail welcome
From: eharley@pacbell.net (Eric Harley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Tabbed Views in OpenStep 4.2/Mach Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:59:36 -0800 Organization: Harley Consulting Message-ID: <eharley-3009972059370001@ppp-207-214-149-69.snrf01.pacbell.net> Is there a tabbed view class bundled with OpenStep 4.2/Mach Developer? I would really like to do some tabbed views and notice them in some NeXT Apps but haven't found any docs on them. Eric Harley eharley@pacbell.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -Guy Kawasaki (Fall 1991)
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.2 problems! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 1 Oct 1997 05:02:41 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <60slhh$2g3$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <3431bdd2.0@192.33.12.30> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jklein@freon.artificial.com In <3431bdd2.0@192.33.12.30> jon klein wrote: > I'm having a couple of problems running OpenStep on a turbo slab. I > just upgraded from 3.3. > > 1. My windows still have the 3.3 look. Not a big problem, but it > makes me wonder if the installation went right... Well, NeXTStep apps still look the same... as well as Apps which have not been 'OpenStepIfied' Try running some OpenStep-only app and see if you notice a difference. OmniDNSHelper on www.omnigroup.com is a nice little app to try. TjL -- I'm sick of SPAM. Therefore, my email address is invalid. To email me, use one of these without spaces: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org (for NeXT related stuff) luomat + peak @ luomat.peak.org (for PEAK related stuff)
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: WetPaint bundle? Date: 1 Oct 1997 06:19:52 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <60sq28$72t$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Hello, I would like to ask if anyone succeeded creating a bundle for WetPaint. I am particularly interested in creating a tool and a filter. Any info would be appreciated. (I'm not aware of any doc's for the API). Thanks. Rudy.
From: Thomas Harte <tph1001@CL.cam.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: GCC for NS 4.1? Date: 1 Oct 1997 10:06:06 GMT Organization: Cambridge University Message-ID: <60t7ae$nbo$1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [NS newbie Q.] Does anyone know where I could get gcc >= 2.7.x compiled for Intel PPro running NEXTSTEP 4.1? Failing that has anyone encountered any difficulties building gcc on the above from scratch? Many thanks, -- thomas harte @ computer laboratory, cambridge university; tph1001@CL.cam.ac.uk; MIME & NeXT Mail OK.
From: gerriet@hazel.north.de (Gerriet M. Denkmann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: vm_region and swapfile Date: 1 Oct 1997 12:49:34 GMT Organization: Oldenburger Informations-Systeme, FRG Distribution: world Message-ID: <60tgsu$gli@voyager.north.de> The function vm_region returns among others: shared: Returns true if this region is shared, false if it isn't. object_name: Returns the port identifying the region's memory object. Running 3.3 (or 3.2) I always get a zero (false, NULL, nil etc.) for these two values. What am I doing wrong? What I am looking for, is a mapping between the address space of some task and the physical memory / swapfile. If vm_region doesn't supply this mapping, are there any other places where I can look for this? And what about the reverse mapping: physical memory / swapfile to tasks? Is there any documentation, or are there some programs with public source which have succeeded in obtaining this information? Gerriet.
From: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk (Roger Peppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Setting nil objects as values for UI elements...wierd. Date: 1 Oct 1997 14:31:01 GMT Organization: Department of Electronics, University of York, UK. Sender: rp9@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <60tmr5$1c9$1@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <60b3tp$stk$1@netty.york.ac.uk> <60bb5a$a0p@shelob.afs.com> <x7hgb9acrb.fsf@tom.ics.ele.tue.nl> On 25 Sep 1997 12:50:16 +0200, Pieter Schoenmakers <tiggr@ics.ele.tue.nl> wrote: > In article <60bb5a$a0p@shelob.afs.com> Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) writes: > rog@ohm.york.ac.uk wrote: > > NSRect fr = [aView frame]; > > > > might crash the application with stack corruption if aView is nil. >[...] > It will not crash the app. A method is like a function, with two extra > arguments (self and _cmd) preceding the usual arguments; the latter > include a pointer to enough space for a struct if one is to be returned > (and only if sizeof (the struct) is larger than what is returned in > registers, normally sizeof (double)). So, nothing special here and > objc_msgSend can (and will) be used (checked on m68k and i386 NS3.3, and > HPPA/HP-UX with gcc -fnext-runtime). Of course, the NSRect that is > returned in the example will contain garbage. --Tiggr Objective C is a superset of ANSI-C, i believe. i haven't got a copy of the ANSI C standard, but i'm pretty sure that code such as: /*** in file main.c */ extern struct rect { int a, b; } fn(void); main() { struct rect x = fn(); return 0; } /*** in file fn.c */ void *fn(void) { return 0; } invokes undefined behaviour if compiled, linked and run. this means that even though most current Objective-C implementations might not crash in this case - it can't be guaranteed for the future. it's a portability bug just waiting to bite in future generations. rog.
From: Rich Schroedel <richs@win.bright.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Tabbed Views in OpenStep 4.2/Mach Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:06:04 -0500 Organization: BrightNet Wisconsin Message-ID: <343266D9.29DF@win.bright.net> References: <eharley-3009972059370001@ppp-207-214-149-69.snrf01.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Harley wrote: > > Is there a tabbed view class bundled with OpenStep 4.2/Mach Developer? > I would really like to do some tabbed views and notice them in some NeXT > Apps but haven't found any docs on them. > > Eric Harley > eharley@pacbell.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -Guy Kawasaki (Fall 1991) Yes!!! It seems to me I read about them here. http://gemma.apple.com/dev/SWTechPubs/Documents/ReleaseNotes/Rhapsody/Developer/Welcome.htmlc They are new, so you would not have found them in Next documents. I was looking for them too. -- Rich Schroedel "There is only one success... Ondossagon Software to live your life in your own way" richs@win.bright.net Christopher Marlowe
From: Rich Schroedel <richs@win.bright.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: (Oops!)Tabbed Views in OpenStep 4.2/Mach Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:08:39 -0500 Organization: BrightNet Wisconsin Message-ID: <34326774.4686@win.bright.net> References: <eharley-3009972059370001@ppp-207-214-149-69.snrf01.pacbell.net> <343266D9.29DF@win.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich Schroedel wrote: > > Eric Harley wrote: > > > > Is there a tabbed view class bundled with OpenStep 4.2/Mach Developer? > > I would really like to do some tabbed views and notice them in some NeXT > > Apps but haven't found any docs on them. > > > > Eric Harley > > eharley@pacbell.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -Guy Kawasaki (Fall 1991) > > Yes!!! > > It seems to me I read about them here. > > http://gemma.apple.com/dev/SWTechPubs/Documents/ReleaseNotes/Rhapsody/Developer/Welcome.htmlc > > They are new, so you would not have found them in Next documents. I was > looking for them too. > -- I just reread your post. The classes I was referring to are in the developers release of Rhapsody, not OpenStep 4.2/Mach. -- Rich Schroedel "There is only one success... Ondossagon Software to live your life in your own way" richs@win.bright.net Christopher Marlowe
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OS/NT and loadable bundles - memory access rules Date: 1 Oct 1997 15:27:56 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <60tq5s$fhs@shelob.afs.com> References: <34303AA3.543F@afs.com> Following up my earlier post about access rules between the main code bundle and dynamically loaded bundles (DLLs) in OS/windows... Thanks to everyone who responded. Following that advice, I changed all of my NSApp references to [NSApplication sharedApplication], wrapped several of my own externs in class-level methods, and recoded a few cross-barrier functions into methods. As a result, all access between the main code and the bundle code is now performed through methods, and the SIGSEGVs have disappeared. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "We're in the land of the blind, Visionary Ophthalmologist | selling working eyeballs, and they Anderson Financial Systems | balk at the choice of color." -- Tony greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | Lovell, on Mac user reactions to NeXT
From: Chris Roehrig <croehrig@House.ORG> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: DPS and endianess: how do I change the byte ordering for 24-bit RGB data? Date: 1 Oct 1997 18:31:55 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <60u4ur$ldf$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> I'm grabbing images from a framegrabber under NEXTSTEP 3.3 and would like the DPS windowserver to display them straight from memory (using the image operator, which is wrapped in NXBitmapImageRep). The problem is, my PCI framegrabber stores 32-bit words in memory in the order 0x00rrggbb, and my windowserver seems to want them in the order 0x00bbggrr, due to vagaries of endianness, I guess. It takes quite a while to go through each image and reverse the bytes, and I'm wondering if the DPS system is doing that anyways... Is there any way to get the windowserver to expect bytes in the opposite order? Can I define a suitable colorspace to do this? I found some code defining NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace in /usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps, but I can't find where the byte ordering is defined . Where is the mapping between device-independent byte-ordering and the display driver ordering done? I'd also like to define a 5-5-5 16-bit colorspace which should work well if I'm running my Matrox Millenium in 5-5-5 15-bit color mode, but I'm at a loss. Anyone know how this is done? Mike? -- Chris Roehrig croehrig@House.ORG Neuroscience and Computer Science at University of British Columbia, Vancouver http://www.House.ORG/chris http://www.sns.cs.ubc.ca/chris
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <60v1a2$i6i@ns2.borg.com> Control: cancel <60v1a2$i6i@ns2.borg.com> Date: 02 Oct 1997 02:40:43 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.60v1a2$i6i@ns2.borg.com> Sender: <sunbrst9@borg.com> Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: laurierx@seanet.com (Jimmy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OpenStep automated test tools Date: 2 Oct 1997 05:16:29 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Message-ID: <60vand$bgs@q.seanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Does anybody know of good automated testing tool for OpenStep? The company I work for is developing apps in OpenStep for both WindowsNT and NeXT. I'm looking for some testing tools for both systems. The NT app is running on WindowsNT running on a Xterm through WinDD. The tool we're using now only works with apps developed in NeXT. I've contacted a few companies and they seem to send me mail with blank looks in them :) Thanks enahs
From: "John K. Watson" <jkwatson@nwu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: ODBC adaptor for WebObjects on mach? Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:15:54 -0500 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <3433AC9A.CA7B3891@nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to connect to an Access database on a windows 95 machine from my OpenStep for mach machine. Has anyone succeeded at doing this? Can I get an ODBC adaptor on mach Enterprise Objects? I'd appreciate any input/help. Thanks! (the windows 95 machine does have the ODBC driver). John Watson jkwatson@nwu.edu
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ODBC adaptor for WebObjects on mach? Date: 2 Oct 1997 15:48:35 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <610foj$82a$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <3433AC9A.CA7B3891@nwu.edu> "John K. Watson" <jkwatson@nwu.edu> wrote: >I need to connect to an Access database on a windows 95 machine from my >OpenStep for >mach machine. Has anyone succeeded at doing this? Can I get an ODBC >adaptor on mach >Enterprise Objects? I'd appreciate any input/help. Thanks! >(the windows 95 machine does have the ODBC driver). > John Watson > jkwatson@nwu.edu > Hi, the way I understood it was that the Win95 ODBC drivers will provide service to servers running on the very same machine. Not remotely. Could anyone comment? Thanks. Rudy. blazek@stt.msu.edu
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.sys.be.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc,comp.lang.java.programmer,austin.jobs Subject: [JOB] Metrowerks Product Manager Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:31:53 -0400 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-0210971331530001@aumi3-a16.ccm.tds.net> PROGRAM MANAGEMENT Program Manager Must have a four-year degree and know how to program for desktop or embedded systems applications in any or all of the following languages: C, C++, Java, or Pascal. Prefer computer science or electrical engineering degree. Also prefer business management experience. Program Manager is responsible for the following areas: * Competitive analysis (features, functions, pricing) * Product specification * Product evangelism * Line of Business management Will analyze the competitive environment to determine market strategy, position, and viability of business, define the feature/function set of each product, work with partners to establish new or improve penetration into existing markets, assist in creating competitive marketing content, and evangelize the product. Program managers have input directly to engineering and marketing and must be capable of working closely, and communicating effectively, with both groups. Program managers report directly to the CEO. Location: Austin, Tex. Medical, dental, life, disability and 401K plans are available to employees. Please send resumes by email to hr@metrowerks.com, or by fax to Recruiting Coordinator at 512/873-4900. -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty http://www.metrowerks.com MWRon@metrowerks.com
From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep automated test tools Date: 3 Oct 1997 10:43:52 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Message-ID: <612i98$97o$8@news.idiom.com> References: <60vand$bgs@q.seanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: laurierx@seanet.com In <60vand$bgs@q.seanet.com> Jimmy wrote: -> Hi, -> Does anybody know of good automated testing tool for OpenStep? The company I -> work for is developing apps in OpenStep for both WindowsNT and NeXT. I'm -> looking for some testing tools for both systems. The NT app is running on -> WindowsNT running on a Xterm through WinDD. The tool we're using now only -> works with apps developed in NeXT. I've contacted a few companies and they -> seem to send me mail with blank looks in them :) -> Thanks -> enahs NeXT has something called the "TestKit" which they've let out to certain big-bucks customers. I've never used it myself, but I saw it in use at Filoli last year. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!"
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: GNU MP Help Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:42:09 -0400 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <3434F631.AF0@removeme.emory.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was reading the GNU Multi precision library manual and in the known bugs section was this comment: The system compiler on NeXT is a massacred and old gcc, even if the compiler calls itself `cc'. This compiler cannot be used to build MP. You need to get a real gcc, and install that before you compile MP. (NeXT might have fixed this in newer releases of their system.) Is this still accurate? What will I need to do to get this to work under NextStep 3.3? Does it work on openstep or Rhapsody? -- Spam protection in place. remove the removeme from the address to reply.
From: stefan@datus-usa.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: shared memory Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:54:31 -0600 Organization: PSINet Message-ID: <343577A6.D3F48B8@datus-usa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, i have a problem with shared memory under NeXtStep, under Linux there are some functions like shmget() and shmat() How could I use the same function - names under NeXtStep ??? Thanks in advance Stefan
From: Ingo Feulner <ifeulner@xenon.cube.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.2 problems! Date: 3 Oct 1997 22:37:36 GMT Organization: Private Site, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=F6blingen?=, Germany Message-ID: <613s3g$ar6$2@xenon.cube.de> References: <3431bdd2.0@192.33.12.30> <60slhh$2g3$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (FinalNews for OpenStep; Version 0.37 / Sep 14, 1997) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xcanpos: shelf.02/199710070501!0007857175 Timothy J. Luoma wrote in <60slhh$2g3$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> on 1997-10-01 07:02:41 +0200: > In <3431bdd2.0@192.33.12.30> jon klein wrote: > > I'm having a couple of problems running OpenStep on a turbo slab. I > > just upgraded from 3.3. > > > > 1. My windows still have the 3.3 look. Not a big problem, but it > > makes me wonder if the installation went right... > > Well, NeXTStep apps still look the same... as well as Apps which have not > been 'OpenStepIfied' > > Try running some OpenStep-only app and see if you notice a difference. ? Windows under OpenStep/Mach look exactly the same under NEXTSTEP 3.x. There's no difference in the visual appearance. -Ingo. -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Böblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de "If you want to convince yourself how nice OpenStep is, try Java" - Wiliam Shipley.
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From: juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de (Juergen Grieb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Strange warnings during compilation Date: 4 Oct 1997 06:48:05 GMT Organization: "private site" Message-ID: <614or5$fe@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (FinalNews for NeXTstep; Version 0.32 / Jul 13, 1997) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xcanpos: shelf.01/199710070901!0027412287 Hi, since I've upgraded to OpenStep 4.2 (from NS 3.3) I often get warnings during compilation like this one: cc -g -O -Wall -I/usr/include/postgres -arch i486 -o movie movie.o -lpq /bin/ld: warning /usr/lib/libpq.a(fe-exec.o) has external relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text) for symbols: _fprintf __iob _strncmp _strcmp ... This goes on and on for some time but the programm does work. Does anybody know what's wrong and what I can do to prevent it? --- Juergen _______________________________________________________________________ Juergen Grieb ** juergen@eskimo.bb.bawue.de ** NeXTMail/Mime welcome
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From: Jim Redman <jim@ergotech.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: tcgetattr in 4.2? Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 05:17:50 -0600 Organization: Southwest Cyberport Message-ID: <343625DE.1C59@ergotech.com> References: <60le7g$23j$1@radjah.navigator.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Markus Wenzel <mow@navigator.de> Markus Wenzel wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried to compile crack with Openstep 4.2. The linker stumbled over the > TERMIOS functions tcgetattr and tcsetattr while building libdes.a. However, I > already have a working libdes.a built with Nextstep 3.3. I think that the TERMIO functions are simply covers for underlying IOCTLS. On 3.3, at least, you could use the ioctls to achieve the functionality of these libraries and I've used it to set serial port parameters, such as 8-O-1 which you can't do with ttys. Since I'm sending this from NT I can't look up the exact calls but it's pretty obvious if you take a look at the header files. Jim
From: Mon-Sen Yang <myast2+@pitt.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: QUSESTION: Setup WOF with MS ODBC. Please help! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:56:46 -0400 Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96L.971004145306.23874B-100000@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello: I use WebObjects on NT and using MS ODBC, MS Access 97. The problem that I am having right now is as follows: The webobject can fetch my Access data correctly and display them. I am able to delete records and update (save) the database. I can change the current records contant and update (save) the database. But, I can not update (save) the new (insert) records into my database. The webobject givme errors. I do not how to resolve the problem. I have look through the NeXT answers, but there do not have any answers related to my problem. The error message as follows: 1. The receiver does not have a method or an instance variable named 'saveChanges' 2. An error occured while executing the method 'saveChanges' Please, read the following logs carefully and advise. Exception while executing method saveChange: Exception while executing statement: if (exception !=nil) { [exception raise]; } Exception while executing statement: [execption raise] Exception while evaluating WebScript expression [exception raise]: SQLExecDirect in -[ODBCChannel evaluateExpression:(<ODBCSQLExpression: "UPDATE EO_PK_TABLE SET PK=151 WHERE NAME= 'Customer' AND PK=0">] 23000-1048: [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access 97 Driver] Can't update 'PK'; field not updatable. The above is the error I got, can you help me? HELP!!! batmon
From: KendallB@scitechsoft.com (Kendall Bennett) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.api.opengl,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.msdos.djgpp,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.graphics,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer.porting,comp.sys.be.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.next.programmer,rec.games.programmer Subject: Call for participants; SciTech MGL internet development Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:33:42 -0700 Organization: SciTech Software, Inc. Message-ID: <MPG.ea0560df5104d4f9896b1@news.scitechsoft.com> Hi all, CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS; SCITECH MGL INTERNET DEVELOPMENT As has been posted to the internet in another announcement, SciTech Software has made the SciTech MGL Professional Graphics Library freely available on the internet with full source code. It is our hope that it doing this we will foster an internet development community dedicated to making the MGL a better graphics library for everyone across multiple platforms and Operating Systems. If you are interested in possibly helping with the development of the free SciTech MGL graphics library over the internet, we want to hear from you. Specifically we are interested in people who would like to enhance the libraries internals, add new features and port the library to other operating systems such as Linux, OS/2, MacOS, BeOS, Rhapsody, SGI boxes etc. We have created a discussion group for the developers working on the MGL on our local newsgroups at news.scitecsoft.com with the name scitech.mgl.developer (there is also a scitech.mgl group for discussions about using the MGL graphics libraries). NOTE: The scitech.mgl.developer newsgroup appears to have had problems coming online. We expect it will be ready sometime next week, so for now simply use the scitech.mgl newsgroup. ARE YOU TRYING TO RIP US OFF? No!!! Some people have asked what our motives for doing this are, and if we were planning to get developers to do work on the MGL for free, and then try and sell that as a commercial graphics library. This is most definately not the case! We have decided to make the SciTech MGL a free internet project, in the same spirit as Linux and other great free tools. Hence the SciTech MGL source code is now free, and will remain free. We will continue to maintain and enhance it (and of course use it for our internal projects, but so can you!), and we hope others will join in and also help to maintain and enhance it, and port it across to other platforms. For the Linux community, this is a great way to get real commercial games ports to the Linux environment, since the SciTech MGL is currently being used by many real commercial games for the DOS and Windows 95/NT environments. WHERE TO GET IT? If you are curious about what the SciTech MGL is, you can download the MGL 4.01 final release archives from: ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/devel The directory contains a number of different installation archives that you can download depending on whether you want the source code and which compiler you are using. MGLB401.EXE Base install archive. This archive contains all of the MGL sample program source code, online help versions of the MGL Programmer's Guide and MGL Reference Manual and the Makefile Utilities. You must download and install this archive before you can install any of the other arhives. MGLF40.EXE Font and sample program data files install archive. This archive contains the complete set of font files for the SciTech MGL, along with complete copies of the bitmap data files and 3D object files for the MGL sample programs. You should probably download and install this, but these files rarely change between releases so you dont need to re-download this file when a new release is made. MGLS401.EXE Source code install archive. This archive contains the complete source code to the SciTech MGL. You don't need to download this archive in order to be able to use the SciTech MGL, however you will need to download this if you plan to re-compile any of the libraries. If you have a compiler that is not directly supported by our pre-built libraries, you will have to download this archive and compile the MGL with your compiler. MD40BC50.EXE Borland C++ 5.0 for DOS object code install archive, with all necessary libraries and header files. MD40WC11.EXE Watcom C++ 11.0 for DOS object code install archive, with all necessary libraries and header files. MW40BC45.EXE Borland C++ 4.5 for Win32 object code install archive, with all necessary libraries and header files. MW40BC50.EXE Borland C++ 5.0 for Win32 object code install archive, with all necessary libraries and header files. MW40VC50.EXE Microsoft Visual C++ 5.0 for Win32 object code install archive, with all necessary libraries and header files. MW40WC11.EXE Watcon C++ 11.0 for Win32 object code install archive, with all necessary libraries and header files. MW40DP20.EXE Borland Delphi 2.0 for Win32 object code install archive, with all necessary libraries, header files and runtime DLL's. Regards, -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | SciTech Software - Building Truly Plug'n'Play Software! | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kendall Bennett | Email: KendallB@scitechsoft.com | | Director of Engineering | Phone: (916) 894 8400 | | SciTech Software, Inc. | Fax : (916) 894 9069 | | 505 Wall Street | ftp : ftp.scitechsoft.com | | Chico, CA 95928, USA | www : http://www.scitechsoft.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <27562875419231@digifix.com> Date: 5 Oct 1997 03:49:06 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <10325876024022@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.nsc.32k From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: <cancel.3437BE8A.1833@worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <3437BE8A.1833@worldnet.att.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <3437BE8A.1833@worldnet.att.net> no reply ignore Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:30:08 GMT Sender: MIke Downey <downey1@worldnet.att.net> ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by J. Porter Clark.
From: "John K. Watson" <jkwatson@nwu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: missing NSReturnSign icon Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 00:51:54 -0500 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <34387C7A.C74297AA@nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I just ran through the first example in Discovering OpenStep: A Developer Tutorial, and the icon for NSReturnSign was missing from the InterfaceBuilder. Anyone know why this might be? I ended up making my own little icon with the IconBuilder (or whatever it's called), but it didn't quite work as well as the built-in one should have. Just curious about this... thanks! John Watson
From: longsine_nospam_@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: GNU MP Help Date: 6 Oct 1997 04:08:01 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <619o71$oha$10@news.platinum.com> References: <3434F631.AF0@removeme.emory.org> Cc: curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org In <3434F631.AF0@removeme.emory.org> Curtis Crowson wrote: > I was reading the GNU Multi precision library manual and in the known > bugs section was this comment: > > The system compiler on NeXT is a massacred and old gcc, even if the > compiler calls itself `cc'. This compiler cannot be used to build MP. > You need to get a > real gcc, and install that before you compile MP. (NeXT might have fixed > this in newer releases of their system.) > > Is this still accurate? As of OPENSTEP 4.2, the compiler has been updated to a modern version of gcc. velvet% cc -v Reading specs from /lib/i386/specs NeXT Software, Inc. version cc-744.13, gcc version 2.7.2.1 > What will I need to do to get this to work under NextStep 3.3? > Does it work on openstep or Rhapsody? That's a question for someone else. /gary - -- --- ----- ------- ----------- ------- ----- --- -- - Gary W. Longsine | This Space For Rent. | | |
From: longsine_nospam_@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Where to start? Programming for NeXT. Date: 6 Oct 1997 04:21:00 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <619ovc$oha$12@news.platinum.com> References: <Pine.GSO.3.96L.970928031059.24288B-100000@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu> Cc: myast2+@pitt.edu In <Pine.GSO.3.96L.970928031059.24288B-100000@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu> Mon-Sen Yang wrote: > What books are good for learning how to program under NeXT? Know C but > haven't tried Objective C yet. Your commands please. The newer documentation from Apple is actually a good place to start. Look at these two: Discovering OPENSTEP: A Developer Tutorial Object Oriented Programming and the Objective C Language /gary - -- --- ----- ------- ----------- ------- ----- --- -- - Gary W. Longsine | This Space For Rent. | | | |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc From: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Subject: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Sender: news@RnA.NL Organization: R&A Message-ID: <EHMDJp.2t9@RnA.NL> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:45:25 GMT When compiling perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP I get: `sh cflags libperl.a toke.o` toke.c CCCMD = cc -DPERL_CORE -c -DUSE_NEXT_CTYPE -arch m68k -arch i386 -arch hppa -arch sparc -I/usr/local/include -O cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1obj got fatal signal 11 *** Exit 1 Stop. 1. Does anybody know what this error implies? 2. Has anyone succesfully compiled perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3? Thanks, -- Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl (Gerben Wierda) "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. Renee: "Met veel koper maakt men hoempa." (After hearing Brahms' Festouverture)
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: tcgetattr in 4.2? Date: 6 Oct 1997 16:04:16 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <61b260$kqn@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <343625DE.1C59@ergotech.com> In article <343625DE.1C59@ergotech.com> Jim Redman <jim@ergotech.com> writes: > Markus Wenzel wrote: > > I tried to compile crack with Openstep 4.2. The linker stumbled over > > the TERMIOS functions tcgetattr and tcsetattr while building libdes.a. > > However, I already have a working libdes.a built with Nextstep 3.3. > I think that the TERMIO functions are simply covers for underlying > IOCTLS. On 3.3, at least, you could use the ioctls to achieve the > functionality of these libraries and I've used it to set serial port > parameters, such as 8-O-1 which you can't do with ttys. > ... but it's pretty obvious if you take a look at the header files. Nope. tcgetattr and tcsetattr were POSIX functions located in the libposix.a compatbility library. No amount of searching in header files will help. They're simply not there anymore. As a previous poster had suggested, you'll need to (hopefully) use the BSD sgtty interface instead. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: markfr@galway.cse.tek.com (Mark S Frank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: modal session in OpenStep Date: 6 Oct 1997 17:09:24 GMT Organization: Tektronix, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <61b604$ceg$1@bvadm.bv.tek.com> I am trying to port some NextStep code over to OpenStep, for running modal loops. I used to do this in NextStep: int run_state; id alert; NXModalSession session; alert = NXGetAlertPanel(NULL, "Running ...", "Stop", NULL, NULL); [NXApp beginModalSession:&session for:alert]; run_state = NX_RUNCONTINUES; while(run_state == NX_RUNCONTINUES) { . . . run_state = [NXApp runModalSession:&session]; } Now, OpenStep has the following: NSModalSession session = [NSApp beginModalSessionForWindow:myWindow]; run_state = NSRunContinuesResponse; but, I don't know how to tie in the alert panel, with a Stop button. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark mark.s.frank@tek.com
From: "Willi Berger" <w_berger@mindspring.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Next Orb ? Date: 6 Oct 1997 18:48:42 GMT Organization: Resource Advisory Message-ID: <01bcd1be$0ad601c0$23f845cf@apollo> When sending a message, Is there anyway to increase the DefaultTimeOut for the Next Dole Orb ? Currently, after 60 seconds the Orb will generate an Exception. We have a situation where we will send a message and sometimes it may take longer than the default time for the task to complete. Any information would be very much appreciated. - willi Willi Berger w_berger@mindspring.com
From: "Willi Berger" <w_berger@mindspring.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Calling an objc Framework from VB Date: 6 Oct 1997 18:48:43 GMT Organization: Resource Advisory Message-ID: <01bcd1be$5b5d64d0$23f845cf@apollo> Hi I have recently run into a problem trying to call Objective-C methods from VB through C Cover Functions. We can't use the ORB because we do not know how to increase its DefaultTimeOut value for sending messages Currently, we make calls to various Visual C++ Dll's from a VB Project by Declaring functions like this. VB CODE: Private Declare Function testInt Lib "D:\ActiveXDlls\CALC.DLL" (val As Integer) As Integer The D'OLE Docs say you can do the same thing for objective-C Frameworks. I have tried and been unsuccessful. Are their bugs I am not aware of or am I doing something wrong? Here is what I have tried. I built an objc Calc Framework. Added the following Declarations __declspec(dllexport) int coverFunction(int val); where converFunction represents the method I would like invoked. VB CODE: Private Declare Function coverFunction Lib "D:\ActiveXDlls\CALC.DLL" (val As Integer) as Integer The error Msg I always get is "BAD DLL Calling Convention" Any assistance would be very much appreciated. Thanks - willi w_berger@mindspring.com
From: jgloudon@bbn.remove.com (Jason Gloudon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc Subject: Re: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc Date: 6 Oct 1997 17:53:15 GMT Organization: GTE Internetworking-Powered by BBN Message-ID: <61b8ib$f57$2@daily.bbnplanet.com> References: <EHMDJp.2t9@RnA.NL> Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl wrote: : When compiling perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP I get: : `sh cflags libperl.a toke.o` toke.c : CCCMD = cc -DPERL_CORE -c -DUSE_NEXT_CTYPE -arch m68k -arch i386 : -arch hppa -arch sparc -I/usr/local/include -O : cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1obj got fatal signal 11 This is a gcc bug. Try a newer version of gcc. Jason gloudon
From: Matt Watson <mgw@pacbell.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Strange warnings during compilation Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 15:13:30 -0700 Organization: Thaumaturge, Inc. Message-ID: <3436BF8A.7B82@pacbell.net> References: <614or5$fe@eskimo.bb.bawue.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juergen Grieb wrote: > > Hi, > > since I've upgraded to OpenStep 4.2 (from NS 3.3) I often get > warnings during compilation like this one: > > cc -g -O -Wall -I/usr/include/postgres -arch i486 -o movie movie.o -lpq > /bin/ld: warning /usr/lib/libpq.a(fe-exec.o) has external relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text) for symbols: > _fprintf > __iob > _strncmp > _strcmp > ... > > This goes on and on for some time but the programm does work. > > Does anybody know what's wrong and what I can do to prevent it? > This means you are building a program that will be linked with the dynamic linker, but using a static library (/usr/lib/libpq.a). The warnings are harmless, they just mean you can't use the "-prebind" linker flag (see the ld man page) to eek out that extra bit of performance out of the binary. Did that library come with 4.2? matt.
From: Philippe Robert Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: missing NSReturnSign icon Date: 6 Oct 1997 22:05:28 GMT Organization: Swissonline AG, Switzerland Message-ID: <61bnb8$2fg2@news-sol-int.swissonline.ch> References: <34387C7A.C74297AA@nwu.edu> In missing NSReturnSign icon comp.sys.next.programmer <ArticleDisplayer: 0xce110> writes, > Hello! I just ran through the first example in Discovering OpenStep: > A Developer Tutorial, and the icon for NSReturnSign was missing > from the InterfaceBuilder. Anyone know why this might be? I ended This isn't included in OPENSTEP 4.x anymore, since it doesn't fit into the windowish look... Instead you have this ugly rect around your button...;-( sweet dreams, Phil
From: Philippe Robert Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: mach function trouble Date: 6 Oct 1997 22:06:46 GMT Organization: Swissonline AG, Switzerland Message-ID: <61bndm$2fg3@news-sol-int.swissonline.ch> Hi! I am currently writing an OpenStep based app, that gives some information about the mach kernel, vm, running processes etc. But I do have a little trouble with the mach function processor_info. The values that I reveive for processor_count, thread_count and task_count are completely wrong! (5 tasks, 7 processors and 1 thread.....). Is there a bug I haven't seen, or did I miss sth??? sweet dreams, Phil -- Philippe C.D. Robert, CS-student @ Uni Bern (Switzerland) OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Programmer @ STONE soft GmbH Email:Philippe.Robert@nice.ch (NeXTMail & MIME accepted) Homepage:¬http://www.nice.ch/~phip
From: arti@lava.DOTnet (Art Isbell - remove "DOT") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: New version of CrashTrap beta Date: 7 Oct 1997 00:54:37 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <61c18d$l42@mochi.lava.net> Thanks to Carl Lindberg (Carl_Lindberg@BLaCKSMITH.com) and Jeremy Bettis (jeremy@hksys.com) for their suggestions and fixes. OEObject now formats stack backtrace method argument values correctly and prints a stack backtrace when an uncaught Win32 exception is raised. What OEObject really needs is some PowerPC smarts so that it can be used with Rhapsody/PPC. Anyone? The new version of OEObject is now at ftp.lava.net/users/arti which includes source to a crash demo app. Both a Mach/Windows archive (CrashTrap.1.4.mw.s.tar.gz) and a Solaris archive (CrashTrap.1.4.s.s.tar.Z) are included. Your comments and suggestions are welcomed! -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: arti@lavaDOTnet Trego Systems (for whom I don't speak) Voice/Fax: +1 808 394 0511 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 808 394 0495 managed care solutions US Mail: Honolulu, HI 96825-2638
From: lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Linking error when using varargs under PDO 4.2 on HP-UX 10.20 Date: 7 Oct 1997 03:44:48 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, University of Melbourne Message-ID: <61cb7g$nhp@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <613ri2$ar6$1@xenon.cube.de> Ingo Feulner (ifeulner@xenon.cube.de) wrote: : Hello, : when using variable arguments under PDO the linker complains about : an undefined symbol named "__builtin_va_start". Does anyone know : how to solve this problem? : I have nothing found on Nextanswers. I had the same problem and eventually forced it to compile by including the "ginclude" directory (it's somewhere like /NextDeveloper/lib/gcc-lib/.../ginclude, I can't remember) manually as a command line argument to the compiler. I guess you should be able to force this by changing the specs file, I'm just surprised you would have to do this. -- Luke
From: magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca (Francois Magnan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How can I do a Terminal.app? Date: 7 Oct 1997 04:43:45 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <61cem2$k9h@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Hi, Maybe this is a dumb question but I can't figure out how to do this. I want to have a ScrollView with a Text object in it in which the user can enter commands and they get executed in a shell and the output goes also in the ScrollView. In other words, I wan't to do a simple Terminal.app within my app. I looked around in the developpers doc and the man pages and I only found the "popen" function that can either read or write to a stream in a shell command. I need to be able to simultaneously read and write. Also, how can I make the Text object update itself as soon as the command outputs new characters? Thank you, Francois Magnan -- ______________________________________________________ Francois Magnan Departement de Mathematique & Statistiques Universite de Montreal email: magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca (MIME, NeXTMail Ok!)
From: lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: GNU MP Help Date: 7 Oct 1997 06:43:18 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, University of Melbourne Message-ID: <61clm6$2o2@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <3434F631.AF0@removeme.emory.org> Curtis Crowson (curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org) wrote: : I was reading the GNU Multi precision library manual and in the known : bugs section was this comment: : The system compiler on NeXT is a massacred and old gcc, even if the : compiler calls itself `cc'. This compiler cannot be used to build MP. : You need to get a : real gcc, and install that before you compile MP. (NeXT might have fixed : this in newer releases of their system.) Well, I tried to get it working under 4.2 (with gcc 2.7.2.1, as I recall) in order to get ssh to work, and (after fixing up some semantics with the assembly) it just died. Let me know if you get it working! -- Luke
From: penrose@w09.sfc.keio.ac.jp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.perl.misc Subject: PERL ioctl.ph for NeXT mach (3.x or 4.x) Date: 07 Oct 1997 19:22:25 +0900 Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Fujisawa Japan Message-ID: <wzbu11vpni.fsf@w09.sfc.keio.ac.jp> Hello folks! I am running Openstep 4.1 and I have some need to access ioctl from Perl. I have made my own ioctl.ph using h2ph, but the simple calls I make: #!/usr/bin/perl -- # -*-Perl-*- require '/tmp/ioctl.ph'; $magicput = TIOCSTI || die "can't get the magic function!"; system('stty raw -echo'); $char = pack "c", "!"; (ioctl STDOUT, $magicput, $char) || die "Sorry charlie"; Always fail. Do I need to dereference $magicput in some way, or is my ioctl.ph broken. Here is a relevent excerpt: eval 'sub TIOCSTI { &_IOW(ord(\'t\'), 114, char);}'; Thanks for any advice! Chris Penrose penrose@sfc.keio.ac.jp
From: holger@object-factory.REMOVETHIS.com (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: tcgetattr in 4.2? Date: 7 Oct 1997 09:22:53 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <61cv1d$lcv$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <343625DE.1C59@ergotech.com> <61b260$kqn@crcnis3.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rex Dieter wrote: > Nope. tcgetattr and tcsetattr were POSIX functions located in the > libposix.a compatbility library. No amount of searching in header files > will help. They're simply not there anymore. As a previous poster had > suggested, you'll need to (hopefully) use the BSD sgtty interface instead. Alternatively, copying the lib over from a 4.1 system works. Another way to solve POSIX related problems with 4.2 is to chop the 4.1 libposix.a library into its .o components, and simply slap the required modules onto the executable you want to create. Worked for me when I built a dynamically loadable POSIX.pm module for Perl with 4.2..<shudder> Holger -- Holger Hoffstaette - holger"at"object-factory.com Object Factory GmbH - http://www.object-factory.com/ Rhapsody: The power to crush the other consultants.
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ODBC adaptor for WebObjects on mach? Date: 7 Oct 1997 11:14:52 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <61d5jc$54k$2@sun27.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <3433AC9A.CA7B3891@nwu.edu> <610foj$82a$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) wrote: >"John K. Watson" <jkwatson@nwu.edu> wrote: >>I need to connect to an Access database on a windows 95 machine from my >>OpenStep for >>mach machine. Has anyone succeeded at doing this? Can I get an ODBC >>adaptor on mach >>Enterprise Objects? I'd appreciate any input/help. Thanks! > the way I understood it was that the Win95 ODBC drivers will provide > service to servers running > on the very same machine. Not remotely. > Could anyone comment? Sorry, you're wrong. ODBC will allow for a networked access, and, provided that you have the correct adaptor, can be accessed from a UNIX (OPENSTEP) machine. All I'm allowed to say though is that it can be done... Best wishes, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: How can I do a Terminal.app? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:47:11 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EHoJEo.AnK@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <61cem2$k9h@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> In article <61cem2$k9h@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca (Francois Magnan) writes: > Hi, > > Maybe this is a dumb question but I can't figure out how to do this. I > want to have a ScrollView with a Text object in it in which the user > can enter commands and they get executed in a shell and the output > goes also in the ScrollView. In other words, I wan't to do a simple > Terminal.app within my app. Look in /NextDeveloper/Examples/UNIX/Subprocess. This contains an app called MyShell which does exactly what you want. It has a few problems, but nothing to difficult. I used it as the basis for Anvil. (at least it's there in 3.3 - 4.X is another matter). $an
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From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: GNU MP Help Date: 7 Oct 1997 12:45:06 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <61dasi$ma4@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <61clm6$2o2@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> In article <61clm6$2o2@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) writes: > Curtis Crowson (curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org) wrote: > : I was reading the GNU Multi precision library manual and in the known > : bugs section was this comment: > ... > > Well, I tried to get it working under 4.2 (with gcc 2.7.2.1, as I recall) > in order to get ssh to work, and (after fixing up some semantics with > the assembly) it just died. Let me know if you get it working! I've said it before, I'll say it again.... I've spared you all from the pain and suffering... (-; I ported it for the same exact reason, to build ssh (which I've also ported to save the trouble). I've ported gmp already, and the archive includes the necessary patch to the original sources (for ns3.3, I might add) to get a useful gmp library. http://www.peak.org/next/apps/devtools/ gmp.2.0.2.pl2.* http://www.peak.org/next/apps/internet/ssh/ Each package includes some comments on building them both yourself. Enjoy. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: Jim Redman <jim@ergotech.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: tcgetattr in 4.2? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 06:54:24 -0600 Organization: ErgoTech Message-ID: <343A3100.5345@ergotech.com> References: <343625DE.1C59@ergotech.com> <61b260$kqn@crcnis3.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mow@navigator.de, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> CC: jim@ergotech.com Rex Dieter wrote: > > In article <343625DE.1C59@ergotech.com> Jim Redman <jim@ergotech.com> > writes: > > Markus Wenzel wrote: > > > > I tried to compile crack with Openstep 4.2. The linker stumbled over > > > the TERMIOS functions tcgetattr and tcsetattr while building libdes.a. > > > However, I already have a working libdes.a built with Nextstep 3.3. > > > I think that the TERMIO functions are simply covers for underlying > > IOCTLS. On 3.3, at least, you could use the ioctls to achieve the > > functionality of these libraries and I've used it to set serial port > > parameters, such as 8-O-1 which you can't do with ttys. > > ... but it's pretty obvious if you take a look at the header files. > > Nope. tcgetattr and tcsetattr were POSIX functions located in the > libposix.a compatbility library. No amount of searching in header files > will help. They're simply not there anymore. As a previous poster had > suggested, you'll need to (hopefully) use the BSD sgtty interface instead. > Well since the goal of object oriented programming is code re-use I'll pull the example of how to do this without the POSIX libraries from a post from way back. Once again this was a response to a "you can't get there from here post". At that time someone suggested that 8-O-1 was impossible on a serial port. It is impossible using the BSD interface, but is possible using the posix interface, which, of course is hopelessly broken. I have not tested this code on 4.2. It worked under 3.3 and 3.2, but not 3.1 and I would be suprised if it didn't work on 4.2, but would be happy to hear from someone who has tried it. Hope all this helps, here's the code fragments. Jim As I understand it the tcgetattr and tcsettattr for serial ports they look like this: #include <termios.h> struct termios ttymode; if (ioctl(serial, TIOCGETA, &ttymode) < 0) ..... and set: if (ioctl (serial, TIOCSETA, &ttymode) < 0) So now you can use the posix interface without the posix libraries. The whole code to set 8-O-1 looks like this (special thanks to Lars Immisch for having posted this so that I could still find it): #include <termios.h> struct termios ttymode; if (ioctl(serial, TIOCGETA, &ttymode) < 0) { perror("ioctl(TIOCGETA)"); exit(1); } ttymode.c_ispeed = B9600; ttymode.c_ospeed = B9600; ttymode.c_iflag = IGNPAR; ttymode.c_lflag = 0; ttymode.c_oflag = 0; ttymode.c_cflag = B9600 | CREAD | CS8 | CSTOPB | PARODD | PARENB; ttymode.c_cc[VMIN] = 0; ttymode.c_cc[VTIME] = 0; if (ioctl (serial, TIOCSETA, &ttymode) < 0) { perror("ioctl(TIOCSETA)"); exit(2); }
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc Subject: Re: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Date: 6 Oct 1997 18:03:43 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <61b95v$4vm$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <EHMDJp.2t9@RnA.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl In <EHMDJp.2t9@RnA.NL> Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl wrote: > When compiling perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP I get: > > `sh cflags libperl.a toke.o` toke.c > CCCMD = cc -DPERL_CORE -c -DUSE_NEXT_CTYPE -arch m68k -arch i386 > -arch hppa -arch sparc -I/usr/local/include -O > cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1obj got fatal signal 11 > *** Exit 1 > Stop. > > 1. Does anybody know what this error implies? Yup. You've hit a compiler bug. For some reason toke.c is very good at tickling compiler bugs. > 2. Has anyone succesfully compiled perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3? Yes, sure. Under NS 3.3 I believe that if you set the optimization on toke.c to zero, you can get that file to compile. You need to edit the file `cflags': ivyhouse:~/c/perl5.004_03:% diff -u cflags.orig cflags --- cflags.orig Mon Oct 6 19:00:05 1997 +++ cflags Mon Oct 6 19:01:25 1997 @@ -84,7 +84,7 @@ scope) ;; sv) ;; taint) ;; - toke) ;; + toke) optimize=-O0 ;; usersub) ;; util) ;; *) ;; There's probably a Configure variable you could set to achieve the same effect, but I never had the time to figure that one out. Matthew [Posted and Mailed] -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: holger@object-factory.REMOVETHIS.com (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ODBC adaptor for WebObjects on mach? Date: 7 Oct 1997 16:47:11 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <61dp2f$8es$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <3433AC9A.CA7B3891@nwu.edu> <610foj$82a$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61d5jc$54k$2@sun27.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Christian Neuss wrote: > blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) wrote: > >"John K. Watson" <jkwatson@nwu.edu> wrote: > >>I need to connect to an Access database on a windows 95 machine from my > >>OpenStep for > >>mach machine. Has anyone succeeded at doing this? Can I get an ODBC > >>adaptor on mach > >>Enterprise Objects? I'd appreciate any input/help. Thanks! > > > the way I understood it was that the Win95 ODBC drivers will provide > > service to servers running > > on the very same machine. Not remotely. > > Could anyone comment? > > Sorry, you're wrong. ODBC will allow for a networked access, and, > provided that you have the correct adaptor, can be accessed from > a UNIX (OPENSTEP) machine. All I'm allowed to say though is that > it can be done... Now you've peaked my interest.. ODBC is primarily an API and a protocol. The API is open and can be implemented by anybody who wishes to do so; it's available for Windows and for several UNIX OSes by third-party vendors. However, I'm not aware that anybody has taken the trouble to implement the complete ODBC API on Mach. OpenBase soon might have something for Rhapsody, though. While NeXT's ODBC EOF adaptor is available as source code, the required link libraries are not (the source is meant for Windows). I have no doubts that I could create an ODBC adaptor for EOF on Solaris, like I did with SQLKit for WOF2 - by using a third-party ODBC link library as foundation. See the WOF archives at Omnigroup for my posting.. Bottom line: no ODBC access from Mach to an ODBC data source. Unless, of course, Chris reveals his magick. :) Holger -- Holger Hoffstaette - holger"at"object-factory.com Object Factory GmbH - http://www.object-factory.com/ Rhapsody: The power to crush the other consultants.
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: GNU MP Help Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:55:26 -0400 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <343A778E.4A58@removeme.emory.org> References: <61clm6$2o2@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <61dasi$ma4@crcnis3.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <good info on GMP port for Next> > -- > Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) > Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ > Mathematics and Statistics > University of Nebraska-Lincoln -- Yes R.A.D. sent me a very good personal email to tell about his port. I should have reposted it so everybody could see it. So, check his post for all the important information. Spam protection in place. remove the removeme from the address to reply.
From: paul@softland.demon.co.uk (Paul Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: PD databases for EOF? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:49:59 GMT Message-ID: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any public domain databases for NeXT that have EOF Adaptors? Paul
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From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: How can I do a Terminal.app? Date: 8 Oct 1997 01:55:33 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Oct7104451@slave.doubleu.com> References: <61cem2$k9h@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> In-reply-to: magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca's message of 7 Oct 1997 04:43:45 GMT In article <61cem2$k9h@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA>, magnan@jsp.umontreal.ca (Francois Magnan) writes: Maybe this is a dumb question but I can't figure out how to do this. I want to have a ScrollView with a Text object in it in which the user can enter commands and they get executed in a shell and the output goes also in the ScrollView. In other words, I wan't to do a simple Terminal.app within my app. You probably want the "Subprocess" example, in /NextDeveloper/Examples/UNIX/Subprocess under the developer release. Later, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Compleat Demystified Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 03:54:12 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> paul@softland.demon.co.uk (Paul Taylor) wrote: >Are there any public domain databases for NeXT that have EOF Adaptors? > >Paul Look at http://dev.rkinc.com/~zander/Projects/projects.html Both MiniSQL II and the Adaptor are for OpenStep, but the server compiles fine under NS 3.3. If you ported the adaptor to NS, please let me know - I'd be very interested. To get a version of MiniSQL with adaptor for NS, you'll have to look at msql-1.0.7.NS and MiniSQLEOFAdaptor.95.12.11 on ftp.peak.org or on ftp.peanuts.leo.org - I forget where it is. Wait a minute, the latest versions are on peanuts: ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/Database/programs/msql.1.0.7.NS.s.gnut ar.gz ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/Developer/resources/adaptors/MiniSQLEO FAdaptor.951211.s.gnutar.gz That's it when it comes to SQL. I didn't have much luck with the adaptor. And MiniSQL II is _much_ cooler. So, if someone ported the adaptor from OS to NS, life would be peachy. MiniSQL is not PD unless you are an educator. See http://Hughes.com.au/ for details. There is also a flat database & adaptor in one package. Seems to work quite fine, but is not for EOF. It's and adaptor for DBKit. The latest version is on peak: ftp://ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/database/gdbmAdaptor-0.5.NIHS.bs.tar .gz Good luck. Rudy blazek@stt.msu.edu
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From: Žoloft@hegel1.cs.chalmers.se.cs.chalmers.se (Olof Torgersson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Localization on NT? Date: 7 Oct 1997 07:00:14 GMT Organization: Chalmers University of Technology Message-ID: <61cmlu$asu$1@nyheter.chalmers.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Does localization work using OpenStep Enterprise 4.2? If it does, what should I do to have an application use another language than english (I know how to write localized applications)? Edit.app for example seems to come with a Swedish.lproj but I only get the english version. Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson oloft@cs.chalmers.se Department of Computing Science +46 31 772 54 06 Göteborg University & Chalmers University of Technology S-412 96 GÖTEBORG, SWEDEN
From: thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 08:18:44 GMT Organization: Not Sure Yet Message-ID: <61ffl4$kgk$1@dns2.serv.net> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> On 10/07/97, Rudolf B. Blazek wrote: >paul@softland.demon.co.uk (Paul Taylor) wrote: >>Are there any public domain databases for NeXT that have EOF >Adaptors? >> >>Paul > >Look at http://dev.rkinc.com/~zander/Projects/projects.html > >Both MiniSQL II and the Adaptor are for OpenStep, but the server >compiles fine under NS 3.3. > I grabbed MiniSQL II from Zander's page, but I am unable to get it to build. I get the same missing mmap.c error that I got with version I. I read the install directions, but I am doing something incorrect. Any help appreciated, Dean Johnson
From: Jim Redman <jim@ergotech.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ODBC adaptor for WebObjects on mach? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:39:56 -0600 Organization: Southwest Cyberport Message-ID: <343B62FC.489C@ergotech.com> References: <3433AC9A.CA7B3891@nwu.edu> <610foj$82a$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61d5jc$54k$2@sun27.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> <61dp2f$8es$1@leonie.object-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > > Christian Neuss wrote: > > blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) wrote: > > >"John K. Watson" <jkwatson@nwu.edu> wrote: > > >>I need to connect to an Access database on a windows 95 machine from my > > >>OpenStep for > > >>mach machine. Has anyone succeeded at doing this? Can I get an ODBC > > >>adaptor on mach > > >>Enterprise Objects? I'd appreciate any input/help. Thanks! > > ODBC is primarily an API and a protocol. The API is open > and can be implemented by anybody who wishes to do so; it's available > for Windows and for several UNIX OSes by third-party vendors. Since the format of Access is fairly well understood and the API for ODBC is open to write the ODBC adaptor on Mach that will work with the ODBC-EOF adaptor shouldn't be a huge development effort. Alternatively an Access-EOF adaptor for Mach, skipping ODBC is also possible. Jim
From: Patrick Stein is jollyat joker.ppp.cis.uni-muenchen.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NSBitmapImageRep blitting speed ? Date: 8 Oct 1997 14:15:58 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Message-ID: <61g4iu$2rg@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I just stumbled over some weird performance problems blitting NSBitmapImageRep's to my (555/16bit color) screen. I would presume, that blitting a 16 bit deep bitmap to screen would be a bit faster than blitting a 2 bit deep bitmap to screen - due to the lack of conversions needed. To blit the 2 bit deep bitmap is faster ! Why ? I created the bitmaps using the following code and tried some variations ( with/without alpha /meshing ). Even tried 5 bit deep bitmaps - which didn't work at all. [[NSBitmapImageRep alloc] initWithBitmapDataPlanes: bitplanes pixelsWide: IMAGEWIDTH pixelsHigh: IMAGEHEIGHT bitsPerSample: 4 samplesPerPixel: 3 hasAlpha: NO isPlanar: NO colorSpaceName: NSDeviceRGBColorSpace bytesPerRow: 0 bitsPerPixel: 0 ]; black and white bitmap which is faster to blit: [[NSBitmapImageRep alloc] initWithBitmapDataPlanes: bitplanes pixelsWide: IMAGEWIDTH pixelsHigh: IMAGEHEIGHT bitsPerSample: 2 samplesPerPixel: 1 hasAlpha: NO isPlanar: YES colorSpaceName: NSDeviceWhiteColorSpace bytesPerRow: 0 bitsPerPixel: 0 ]; The only reason I can come up with is, that there are still conversions, even though I think those are not needed. Btw. does anybody know what the color scheme on 8 bit displays is ( 332/8 ? ) or how much faster the blitting of NextTime (NT*)-objects is ? (mike ?) thanx in advance - Patrick Stein is jolly at eko dot de
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 15:11:10 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <61g7qe$kv8$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61ffl4$kgk$1@dns2.serv.net> thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) wrote: >>Look at http://dev.rkinc.com/~zander/Projects/projects.html >> >>Both MiniSQL II and the Adaptor are for OpenStep, but the server >>compiles fine under NS 3.3. >> > >I grabbed MiniSQL II from Zander's page, but I am unable to get it to >build. I get the same missing mmap.c error that I got with version I. >I read the install directions, but I am doing something incorrect. > >Any help appreciated, > >Dean Johnson Under NS 3.3/Intel I went to the folder ..../targets/OpenStep-4.2-intel and run 'make' (or was it 'make all') and it worked. If I first tried to run 'setup' or 'make targets' then the compilation crashed. Not sure what would happen under NS 3.2 and lower. Good luck. Rudy.
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 15:16:34 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <61g84i$kv8$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61ffl4$kgk$1@dns2.serv.net> <61g7qe$kv8$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) wrote: > >Under NS 3.3/Intel I went to the folder >..../targets/OpenStep-4.2-intel >and run 'make' (or was it 'make all') and it worked. If I first tried >to run 'setup' or 'make targets' then the compilation crashed. > >Not sure what would happen under NS 3.2 and lower. > >Good luck. > >Rudy. I forgot to mention that one nice person sent me a patch to patch the original distribution of MiniSQL II. I newer got it to work under NS, but I was told that it works fine under OS. Let me know if you need that patch - I would contact him for permission ... Rudy blazek@stt.msu.edu
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:02:11 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EHqpvo.G4p@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <61g84i$kv8$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> I've used miniSQL1 with EOF (NeXTStep) and it's pretty usable for trial projects though a little more dodgey for full scale development. miniSQL2 looks much better (though last time I looked it was still in development). The development of an adaptor is great news, and I'll be trying it as soon as I move to OpenStep. mySQL looks like it could be worth investing some effort into. There's currently no adaptor, but it looks like a better DB, and the licensing terms are far more flexable (it's free for non commercial whereas miniSQL is only free to accademic [I think]). $an
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:38:22 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EHs2s0.JJE@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <61gj1a$kp2$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> In article <61gj1a$kp2$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) writes: > ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) wrote: > > > >mySQL looks like it could be worth investing some effort into. > Where can one you find it? http://www.tcx.se/ "Our first intension was to use mSQL to connect to our own fast low level (ISAM) tables. After some testing we came to the conclusion that mSQL wasn't fast or flexible enough. This resulted in a new SQL interface to our database but with almost the same API interface as mSQL. This API was choosed to encourage code sharing." "you only have to pay if you are selling MySQL directly or selling a product which includes the MySQL server. You may not include MySQL in a distribution if you charge for some part of it. For internal use you don't have to pay us if you don't want to."
From: Chris Roehrig <croehrig@House.ORG> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NSBitmapImageRep blitting speed ? Date: 8 Oct 1997 17:20:20 GMT Organization: Computer Science, Univerity of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <61gfck$155$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> References: <61g4iu$2rg@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> In article <61g4iu$2rg@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Patrick Stein is jollyat joker.ppp.cis.uni-muenchen.de writes: > I would presume, that blitting a 16 bit deep bitmap to screen would be a bit > faster than blitting a 2 bit deep bitmap to screen - due to the lack of > conversions needed. To blit the 2 bit deep bitmap is faster ! Why ? The windowserver uses a 444 color space for 16-bit image representations and has to convert your image to the 555 needed by your display driver. This is frustrating for me too, since I'm capturing images in 555, my display driver uses 555, but it has to be converted to 444 going through the windowserver. And the byte ordering isn't the right way around either, so even 24-bit color doesn't work. The 2-bit bitmap is simply less data to convert to 555 for your display driver. The NSBitmapImageRep uses the Postscript 'image' operator to render the image, and it takes a colorspace parameter. It looks like it should be possible to make a new 555 Postscript color space for rendering bitmap images to allow a clean path through the windowserver, but I haven't figured out how. -- Chris Roehrig croehrig@House.ORG Neuroscience and Computer Science at University of British Columbia, Vancouver http://www.House.ORG/chris http://www.sns.cs.ubc.ca/chris
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 18:22:34 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <61gj1a$kp2$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <61g84i$kv8$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <EHqpvo.G4p@cam-ani.co.uk> ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) wrote: > >mySQL looks like it could be worth investing some effort into. There's >currently no adaptor, but it looks like a better DB, and the licensing >terms are far more flexable (it's free for non commercial whereas miniSQL >is only free to accademic [I think]). > > >$an Where can one you find it? Thanks. Rudy
From: "xyz.me" <xyz.me@anonym.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Serial class for Rhapsody Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:43:40 -0700 Organization: none Message-ID: <343E856C.2B16@anonym.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any serial class for Rhapsody? I asked Apple, but they said it is too early and certain decisions have not been made yet. I think it is extremly important to have a well defined API for the serial interface. At a former job I had to do programming of the serial ports on a PC and it was awful. I always had the feeling that thousands of programmers did the same job before, it was on such a low level, because there was no defined API. I hope Rhapsody is at least at the same level as MacOS, where are few but sufficent powerful functional-calls. !!! I HATE TOGGLING BITS !!!! Maybe there was some work already done for Next/Openstep.
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: dynamic loading on OS/4.2 Date: 10 Oct 1997 11:30:36 GMT Organization: IndyNet - Indys Internet Gateway (info@indy.net) Message-ID: <61l3ks$pf5$1@news.indy.net> Hi there, Hmm.... I'm working with Python <http://www.python.org> and I've been very happily developing on NS3.2 for a couple of years now with threads, dynamic loading of module (shlibs), and so on. Now that I've upgraded to OS/4.2 I've got problems! Apparently the details of dynamic loading of shared libs has changed since 3.2 and I'd like to find out the proper scheme. The last link stage of the program looks like this: cc -u libsys_s ..... but the linker complains that 'libsys_s' is undefined (though the shared lib is in /usr/shlib. I can link if I leave the '-u libsys_s' off, but then the program isn't finding *my* shared libs for some reason. So.... either I'm not linking the program correctly for shared libraries, or the API for loading shared libraries is differnt enough that the code doesn't work any more... any thoughts? thanks! -steve
From: gerard@lestudio.fr (Gerard Iglesias) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: mouseMoved in subclass of NSView Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:23:02 +0100 Organization: INA Message-ID: <gerard-0910971923020001@gege.ina.fr> Hello, I use Prelude to Rhapsody, and I have a problem with mouseMoved in a subclass of NSView. It don't work, event if I send setAcceptsMouseMovedEvents to the window of the view. I send this method in the body of mouseEntered, which I receive well after registering the tracking rect. Thaks in advance. -- Gérard Iglesias Ingénieur de Recherche - INA
From: Lyaeus <deh@oto.se> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a high-speed way to draw pixels in NS3.3 (or OS4.2)? For graphics rendering... Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:43:06 +0100 Organization: Deus Est Homo Oasis, O.T.O. Sweden Message-ID: <343E30E9.26884B87@oto.se> References: <343D3BB9.3E05@prv.com> <61ks4s$n4b$1@leonie.object-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik Doernenburg wrote: > Create an NSBitmapImageRep object with parameters that suit your application > and add it as a representation to an NSImage object. Now set your pixels in > the bitmap data which you can access with [NSBitmapImageRep bitmapData] and > composite the image somewhere onto your screen, with [NSImage > compositeToPoint:operation:]. This is portable and fairly fast. And what if your stuck with NXImage which doesn't have compositeToPoint? /Hakan
From: Rich Warner <rwarner@prv.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Need help writing to Scrollview programmatically. Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:10:55 -0600 Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Message-ID: <343D3A4F.6501@prv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - I've read from a file into a scrollview and vice versa before. Opened a stream, read the file into the stream, then read the stream with a readText:stream msg. But...things have changed w/NS3.3. The readText/writeText msgs no longer exist. And I want to write status msgs programmatically to the text field (document view) in the Scrollview instead of reading from a file. I've been all through the NS3.3 docs and don't even see how to read /write a file anymore. The only msg that looks slightly promising is the read:stream msg, and it reads "Scrollviews" from a typed stream, whatever that means. I don't want to read Scrollview objects, just some ASCII text, thank you. My hope was that I could send a msg something like readBuffer:buffer mode:NX_APPEND in:NX_CLIPVIEW and that would place my msg in the Scrollview, appended to any existing text and scrolled so visible in the window. Anyone know the simple way to do this? I just want to tell the user what is going on in the software via a scrollable status msg area. Thanks in advance for the help. Please post (but direct email would be nice too--to rwarner@prv.com). Rich
From: Rich Warner <rwarner@prv.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a high-speed way to draw pixels in NS3.3 (or OS4.2)? For graphics rendering... Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:16:57 -0600 Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Message-ID: <343D3BB9.3E05@prv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - I've done rendering in the past using Display Postscript and drawing lines of length 1. It is too slow for rendering apps. Does anyone know a way to draw individual pixels directly? Maybe by directly accessing certain data structure elements? I need to be able to set the color, alpha, and intensity pixel by pixel with low system overhead. It's ok if I lose portability, etc--but would be nice if could be recompiled with #defines for specific systems. Thanks in advance for the help. Please post (and email appreciated--to rwarner@prv.com). Rich
From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc Subject: Re: Result: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Date: 10 Oct 1997 15:00:57 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Oct10100055@slave.doubleu.com> References: <EHMDJp.2t9@RnA.NL> <61b95v$4vm$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <EHstrx.1sB@RnA.NL> In-reply-to: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl's message of Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:33 GMT In article <EHstrx.1sB@RnA.NL> Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl writes: I would like a new cc (this is gcc 2.5.8), but as far as I know, when I install a newer gcc, I lose the possibility to make fat binaries, and that is not acceptable. You can use a newer gcc to create thin binaries - which, since they are assembled by NeXT's as, are Mach-O thin binaries, you can then lipo together to make a fat binary. I guess then the problem becomes whether you can build a gcc cross-compiler for sparc/hppa on NeXTSTEP. Later, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Compleat Demystified Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Result: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Date: 10 Oct 1997 17:51:58 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <61lpvu$se2@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <SCOTT.97Oct10100055@slave.doubleu.com> In article <SCOTT.97Oct10100055@slave.doubleu.com> scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) writes: > In article <EHstrx.1sB@RnA.NL> Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl writes: > I would like a new cc (this is gcc 2.5.8), but as far as I know, > when I install a newer gcc, I lose the possibility to make fat > binaries, and that is not acceptable. > > You can use a newer gcc to create thin binaries - which, since they > are assembled by NeXT's as, are Mach-O thin binaries, you can then > lipo together to make a fat binary. I guess then the problem becomes > whether you can build a gcc cross-compiler for sparc/hppa on NeXTSTEP. That's the $0.02 question of the day, and I'll chime in: the answer is no. gcc doesn't support sparc-next-nextstep3 or hppa-next-nextstep3 output targets. (I know, because I've tried). (-; -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: william semonis<semonis@servcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <343b177d.0@aries.servcom.com> Control: cancel <343b177d.0@aries.servcom.com> Date: 10 Oct 97 16:37:16 GMT Organization: A-OnLine Information Services, Inc / Sinbad Network Communications Message-ID: <61lt2q$gle$1@foghorn.aonline.com>
From: Jonathan Hendry <jon@subsequent.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 10 Oct 1997 03:39:39 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Sender: Jonathan Hendry <jon@aahz.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <61k81r$8tg@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <61gj1a$kp2$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <EHs2s0.JJE@cam-ani.co.uk> The Apple document "Discovering OPENSTEP: A Developer Tutorial (Rhapsody)" appears to suggest that Rhapsody will include some sort of single user database. This may not be of much use now, but it's good if it's true. -- Jonathan Hendry My lucky number is below one j_hendry@ix.netcom.com You never know when you might need a zero
From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Serial class for Rhapsody Date: 10 Oct 1997 20:42:37 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Message-ID: <61m3vt$4du$2@news.xmission.com> References: <343E856C.2B16@anonym.at> <msg158059.thr-23e78298.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) wrote: > I too desperately need serial port support in the foundation. > The MiscKit has, I believe, some serial port stuff, but the > last time I asked about it, it was still nextstep and not > openstep, which won't help me at all The latest kit has an OPENSTEP version in it, but _I_ haven't tested it. You might want to try it out. > (and before anyone suggests that I > assist in the writing of it, I would remind you that the > misckit is a solid piece of work--why ruin it's reputation > with my code...?) At risk of being a smart-aleck, you _can_ help. Grab the latest kit, try out the ported object. If it works for you, great. If not, help us figure out what bugs remain (even if that means you contribute a few minor bug fixes :-) ). Since the kit is now so large that I can't possibly police the quality control the way I used to, I have to rely on people like you and the rest of the net community to find and fix what problems exist. About all I really have the time to do is keep it all tied together...and many could (rightfully) claim that I need to do a better job of it! :-) This is a pretty good system, though, since by having so many people putting the code through its paces, the quality gets up there pretty fast--faster than, for example, if just I were doing the fixing, anyway. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.REMOVE_ME.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a high-speed way to draw pixels in NS3.3 (or OS4.2)? For graphics rendering... Date: 10 Oct 1997 09:22:36 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <61ks4s$n4b$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <343D3BB9.3E05@prv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rich Warner <rwarner@prv.com> wrote: > Hi - > > I've done rendering in the past using Display Postscript and > drawing lines of length 1. It is too slow for rendering apps. Does > anyone know a way to draw individual pixels directly? Maybe by directly > accessing certain data structure elements? I need to be able to set the > color, alpha, and intensity pixel by pixel with low system overhead. > It's ok if I lose portability, etc--but would be nice if could be > recompiled with #defines for specific systems. Thanks in advance for > the help. Please post (and email appreciated--to rwarner@prv.com). > > Rich Create an NSBitmapImageRep object with parameters that suit your application and add it as a representation to an NSImage object. Now set your pixels in the bitmap data which you can access with [NSBitmapImageRep bitmapData] and composite the image somewhere onto your screen, with [NSImage compositeToPoint:operation:]. This is portable and fairly fast. good luck erik -- Erik Dörnenburg - http://www.object-factory.com/~erik This message transmitted by 100% recyclable electrons
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From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Serial class for Rhapsody Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:54:44 -0400 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg158059.thr-23e78298.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <343E856C.2B16@anonym.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg158059.thr-23e78298.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> xyz.me@anonym.at,UseNet writes: >Is there any serial class for Rhapsody? >I asked Apple, but they said it is too early and certain decisions have >not been made yet. >I think it is extremly important to have a well defined API for the >serial interface. At a former job I had to do programming of the serial >ports on a PC and it was awful. I always had the feeling that thousands >of programmers did the same job before, it was on such a low level, >because there was no defined API. >I hope Rhapsody is at least at the same level as MacOS, where are few >but sufficent powerful functional-calls. !!! I HATE TOGGLING BITS !!!! >Maybe there was some work already done for Next/Openstep. I too desperately need serial port support in the foundation. The MiscKit has, I believe, some serial port stuff, but the last time I asked about it, it was still nextstep and not openstep, which won't help me at all (and before anyone suggests that I assist in the writing of it, I would remind you that the misckit is a solid piece of work--why ruin it's reputation with my code...?) -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Need help writing to Scrollview programmatically. Date: 10 Oct 1997 17:17:26 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <61lnv6$1fl$1@news.seicom.net> References: <343D3A4F.6501@prv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: rwarner@prv.com In <343D3A4F.6501@prv.com> Rich Warner wrote: > I've read from a file into a scrollview and vice versa before. > Opened a stream, read the file into the stream, then read the stream > with a readText:stream msg. But...things have changed w/NS3.3. The > readText/writeText msgs no longer exist. And I want to write status > msgs programmatically to the text field (document view) in the > Scrollview instead of reading from a file. If you just want to add some text to a text object under 3.3 the following will do the trick: [targetText setSel:[targetText textLength] :0]; [targetText replaceSel:myMessage]; [targetText scrollSelToVisible]; -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: missing NSReturnSign icon Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:03:15 GMT Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <34418b98.14397382@news.wco.com> References: <34387C7A.C74297AA@nwu.edu> <61bnb8$2fg2@news-sol-int.swissonline.ch> On 6 Oct 1997 22:05:28 GMT, Philippe Robert wrote: >Instead you have this ugly rect around your button...;-( Or the very stylish 'focus ring', available in your choice of colors... Gronk... Mike Paquette mpaque AT wco.com (Damn junk-mailers!)
From: mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: The AWT holdup.... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:03:19 GMT Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <34418cd3.14712845@news.wco.com> References: <343F6DB5.406A6022@home.com> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:14:45 -0400, Chris Van Buskirk <cvbuskirk@home.com> wrote: >I noticed that the awt(jdk1.1.4) will not be included with the first >seeding of >rhapsody. Do you think apple is doing this puposely in order to >get everyone to code with the yellow box? Nope. AWT is just a b**ch to port to a platform that doesn't directly suppoort all of it's hidden assumptions. It will be there, but not in the Developer release. Mike Paquette mpaque AT wco.com (Damn junk-mailers!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Subject: Re: NSBitmapImageRep blitting speed ? Message-ID: <EHux0x.DDF.0.scream@sounds.wa.com> Organization: Sound Consulting, Bellevue, WA, USA References: <61g4iu$2rg@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> <61gfck$155$1@nnrp.cs.ubc.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:26:57 GMT >In article <61g4iu$2rg@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Patrick Stein is >jollyat joker.ppp.cis.uni-muenchen.de writes: >> I would presume, that blitting a 16 bit deep bitmap to screen would be a bit >> faster than blitting a 2 bit deep bitmap to screen - due to the lack of >> conversions needed. To blit the 2 bit deep bitmap is faster ! Why ? While creating MPEG_Play.app, I found that the best performance results from using a 24-bit display setting, and rendering all bitmaps as 24-bit. Frame rates were much, much higher with 24-bit data maintained straight through. This makes sense when you consider that the display model is basically 24-bits, and the system uses dithering to convert all 12-bit, 8-bit, and 2-bit data to fool the human eye into seeing an approximation of 24-bit color. No matter how fast your processor, dithering takes some time. As far as I can tell, no dithering at all is attempted when the source data and screen are both 24-bit. 2-bit (monochrome) conversions are probably faster since all three channels match, and I don't think any halftone screens are needed. 16-bit bitmap pixels might be internally converted to 24-bit before dithering back down to 3)4-bit channels. But there is still the halftone screen processing which varies the colors used during dithering so that the eye is fooled into seeing more colors than are actually there. Of course, much of the latter is guesswork, mostly based on observation of the behavior of the system. Also, if you don't have control of the original bitmaps, you may not be able to do much. My comments are mostly aimed and motion video or rendering programmers who have the option of setting their source data, and can instruct the end users to populate their video cards with enough VRAM to handle 24-bit depth display modes. NEXTSTEP and OpenStep really scream in these modes. -- Brian Willoughby NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody Software Design Sound Consulting Apple Enterprise Alliance Partner NeXTmail welcome Apple is the registered trademark of Apple Computer, Inc. and Apple Records
From: Ingo Feulner <ifeulner@xenon.bb.bawue.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Shared Libraries and PDO 4.2 (under HP-UX) Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:09:17 GMT Organization: Private Site, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=F6blingen?=, Germany Message-ID: <61qeld$nka$1@xenon.cube.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (FinalNews for OpenStep; Version 0.37 / Sep 14, 1997) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xcanpos: shelf.01/199710151701!0002801737 Hello, is there any chance to use Objective-C in a shared library under HP-UX? I know that officially dynamic linking is not supported under PDO, but perhaps there's anyone who find a solution? Anyway, why is there this restriction? HP-UX supports shared libraries (as Soloris does), so what? Thanks for any info, Ingo. -- Smail: Ingo Feulner, Wolfacher Weg 19, 71034 Böblingen, Germany Email: ifeulner@xenon.cube.de "If you want to convince yourself how nice OpenStep is, try Java" - Wiliam Shipley.
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Serial class for Rhapsody Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:53:28 -0400 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg158496.thr-23e78298.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <343E856C.2B16@anonym.at> <msg158059.thr-23e78298.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> <61m3vt$4du$2@news.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg158496.thr-23e78298.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> don@misckit.com,UseNet writes: >> (and before anyone suggests that I >> assist in the writing of it, I would remind you that the >> misckit is a solid piece of work--why ruin it's reputation >> with my code...?) >At risk of being a smart-aleck, you _can_ help. Grab the latest kit, try out the ported object. If it works for you, great. If not, help us figure out what bugs remain (even if that means you contribute a few minor bug fixes :-) ). >Since the kit is now so large that I can't possibly police the quality >control the way I used to, I have to rely on people like you and the rest of the net community to find and fix what problems exist. About all I really have the time to do is keep it all tied together...and many could >(rightfully) claim that I need to do a better job of it! :-) Touche`! Excellent suggestion and I will download it and take a look today. Thanks for your efforts, Don. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053
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From: " Dieter Sabathi " <sabathi_dieter@stekom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: atexit() broken ?? Date: 13 Oct 97 23:20:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of EUnet/PING Austria Message-ID: <904.225T2012T14002556@stekom.com> Hi NeXT gurus, I`m the new owner of a NeXTstation (mono) running NeXTstep 3.3 (Patch1) and NeXTdeveloper 3.3 (including the latest Developerpatch). I tried to compile some UNIX sources to the NeXT and got a strange result when the atexit() function is used. It looks like this function is broken :-( Here is my test program: ----------------------cut it------------------ bash# more atexit.c #include <stdlib.h> void hello_exit(void) { puts("hello"); } int main(void) { if (atexit(hello_exit)) puts("atexit() failed"); return 0; } ----------------------cut it------------------ I compiled it with cc -o atexit atexit.c And that`s the result: bash# ./atexit atexit() failed hello bash# Compiling the same program on other platforms (NetBSD, AmigaOS,NT) only prints the hello line .... What is differend on the NeXT ??? Thanks for your help Dieter
From: Jonathan Hendry <jon@subsequent.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: The AWT holdup.... Date: 13 Oct 1997 23:52:20 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Sender: Jonathan Hendry <jon@momentum.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <61uc7k$a37@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> References: <343F6DB5.406A6022@home.com> <34418cd3.14712845@news.wco.com> Mike Paquette <mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:14:45 -0400, Chris Van Buskirk > <cvbuskirk@home.com> wrote: > >I noticed that the awt(jdk1.1.4) will not be included with the first > >seeding of > >rhapsody. Do you think apple is doing this puposely in order to > >get everyone to code with the yellow box? > Nope. > AWT is just a b**ch to port to a platform that doesn't directly > suppoort all of it's hidden assumptions. It will be there, but not in > the Developer release. In other words, 'ugliness is to the bone'. -- Jonathan Hendry My lucky number is below one j_hendry@ix.netcom.com You never know when you might need a zero
From: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@blacksmith.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Shared Libraries and PDO 4.2 (under HP-UX) Date: 14 Oct 1997 00:25:21 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <61ue5h$er0$8@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <61qeld$nka$1@xenon.cube.de> Ingo Feulner <ifeulner@xenon.bb.bawue.de> wrote: > Hello, > > is there any chance to use Objective-C in a shared library under HP-UX? Probably, no. [ ... ] > Anyway, why is there this restriction? HP-UX supports shared libraries > (as Soloris does), so what? There are several issues. First and foremost, the HP architecture uses a very complex calling convention and it uses a segmented address space. Shared libraries under HP are implemented by holding them into different segments, and this requires all non-local entry points to have external calling stub routines generated which play the appropriate games with the segment registers in order to do cross-segment calls (there's a 15-step process through 4 different chunks of code when such a call gets made, IIRC). The last time I checked, NeXT's version of the GNU project GCC compiler didn't understand how to generate these code stubs, so it was impossible for Obj-C code to call anything in the shared libraries. NeXT's version of the GNU project GDB debugger had some very major problems understanding the HPPA architecture-- it couldn't understand core dumps, it didn't understand what the exception frame resulting from a signal looked like, and I seem to recall that there were two different symbol table formats involved, and NeXT's gdb had problems understanding the native HP library symbol tables, especially if it involved routines in a shared library. There was also the problem that the HP calling conventions encouraged code to pass arguments in registers rather than on the stack, which did not help debugging, either. Obviously, NeXT spent some amount of effort trying to fix things, but the HP platform was an environment which was completely undebuggable for some time. About the best I can recall was that you had a decent chance of debugging code compiled with 'gcc -g' until you ran into (a) any native HP code compiled with HP's compiler, (b) any code compiled with optimization, or (c) any unusual stack frames like signal exception frames or external (intra-segment) calls. The HPPA architecture was never as well integrated or supported as the original black hardware, IMHO. 'Course, I am going by memory that's about a year old, but I believe the essential details are there. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: Green <green@wwstore.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Differences between NS developer versions.... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:48:33 -0600 Organization: inQuo Internet (801) 530-7160 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3442C161.1E8E@wwstore.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. I'm in the process of acquiring some black hardware. I've already got the 3.3 User media, and 3.1 Developer. I have a source I should be able to obtain 3.2 User and Developer from for a low price, if not for free. So my questions, having never used any of these yet, are: What are the differences between User 3.2, 3.3? What are the differences between Developer 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3? Is it REALLY a bad idea to run mismatched versions of User and Developer (some of the docs say so, but some individuals seem to be doing it)? Thanks in advance for any info!
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@Apple.Com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: atexit() broken ?? Date: 13 Oct 1997 23:52:16 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <61uc7g$kgi$1@news.apple.com> References: <904.225T2012T14002556@stekom.com> " Dieter Sabathi " <sabathi_dieter@stekom.com> writes > Hi NeXT gurus, > > I`m the new owner of a NeXTstation (mono) running NeXTstep 3.3 (Patch1) > and NeXTdeveloper 3.3 (including the latest Developerpatch). > > I tried to compile some UNIX sources to the NeXT and got a strange > result when the atexit() function is used. > > It looks like this function is broken :-( Yep. The return value from atexit() is totally bogus. If you ignore it, you'll be fine. (still broken on OPENSTEP 4.2, but fixed in the Rhapsody Developer Release) -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: Jonathan Hendry <jon@subsequent.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Last word on 'modern syntax' Date: 14 Oct 1997 03:53:30 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Sender: Jonathan Hendry <jon@momentum.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <61uqbq$hht@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> While I'd read that modern syntax was dead, I haven't seen this rather definitive statement before: From:http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapfaq/faqsec8.html Q: Will you be adding "modern syntax" for Objective-C? A: At WWDC, we discussed an investigation into a modern syntax. It became clear that Objective-C developers prefer the current syntax, and that programmers of other languages were eager to use Java as their language of choice. As a result we will focus our efforts on moving Objective-C forward and deliver a complete Java solution. The modern syntax effort will not continue -- Jonathan Hendry My lucky number is below one j_hendry@ix.netcom.com You never know when you might need a zero
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From: nospam@ried_at_mpip-mainz.mpg.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 9 Oct 1997 09:56:31 GMT Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <61i9of$622$1@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61ffl4$kgk$1@dns2.serv.net> > I grabbed MiniSQL II from Zander's page, but I am unable to get it to build. I get the same missing mmap.c error that I got with version I. I read the install directions, but I am doing something incorrect. > Any help appreciated, Here's the missing mmap from somewhere on the net: (I had no problems building msql2 with this but haven't played extensively around with it to claim its stability) /* * @(#)map.c 1.0 of 20 December 1996 * * Copyright (c) 1996 by Fabien Roy. * Written by Fabien Roy and Robert Ehrlich. * Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.fr Robert.Ehrlich@inria.fr * Not derived from licensed software. * * Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any * purpose on any computer system, and to redistribute it freely, * subject to the following restrictions: * * 1. The author is not responsible for the consequences of use of * this software, no matter how awful, even if they arise * from defects in it. * * 2. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented, either * by explicit claim or by omission. * * 3. Altered versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not * be misrepresented as being the original software. * */ #include <sys/types.h> #include <sys/mman.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <syscall.h> caddr_t mmap(caddr_t addr, size_t len, int prot, int flags, int fd, off_t off) { int pagelessone = getpagesize() -1; int size; caddr_t pageaddress; /* round to next page size */ size = (len + pagelessone) & ~pagelessone; /* allocate aligned pages */ if (!(pageaddress = (caddr_t) valloc(size))) return (caddr_t) -1; /* map it */ if (syscall(SYS_mmap, pageaddress, size, prot, flags, fd, off)){ free(pageaddress); return (caddr_t) -1; } return pageaddress; } void munmap(caddr_t addr, size_t len) { syscall(SYS_munmap,addr,len); free(addr); } -- _____________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G.\ |E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME/NeXT welcome) | |Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 __/___/ | |Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| |WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried \_/ \_/| | There are only three types of computer users: | | Those that use NeXTs. Those that wished they used NeXTs. | | Those that don't know what they are missing. | \_____________________________________________________________________/
From: Christian.Rapp@uptime.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: modal session in OpenStep Date: 14 Oct 1997 15:53:02 GMT Organization: UBS Network Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <6204gu$hjl@svdns1.ubinet.ubs.com> References: <61b604$ceg$1@bvadm.bv.tek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: markfr@galway.cse.tek.com In <61b604$ceg$1@bvadm.bv.tek.com> Mark S Frank wrote: > I am trying to port some NextStep code over to > OpenStep, for running modal loops. I used to do > this in NextStep: > > int run_state; > id alert; > NXModalSession session; > > alert = NXGetAlertPanel(NULL, "Running ...", "Stop", NULL, NULL); > [NXApp beginModalSession:&session for:alert]; > > run_state = NX_RUNCONTINUES; > while(run_state == NX_RUNCONTINUES) > { > . > . > . > run_state = [NXApp runModalSession:&session]; > } > > > Now, OpenStep has the following: > > NSModalSession session = [NSApp beginModalSessionForWindow:myWindow]; > run_state = NSRunContinuesResponse; > > but, I don't know how to tie in the alert panel, with a Stop button. > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Mark > mark.s.frank@tek.com > I would do it this way: - Don't use NSGetAlertPanel. Design your own alert panel. and connect the button to the following action method. - (void)cancelPressed:sender { [[NSApplication sharedApplication] stopModal]; } - And now do the loop like this: NSModalSession modalSession; int run_state modalSession = [[NSApplication sharedApplication] beginModalSessionForWindow:myWindow]; run_state = NSRunContinuesResponse; while(run_state != NSRunStoppedResponse) { . . . run_state = [[NSApplication sharedApplication] runModalSession:modalSession]; } [[NSApplication sharedApplication] endModalSession:modalSession]; The best way would be if you place this functionality in a object. So you only have to think once about this stuff. e.g: [[MyCoolAlertPanel sharedInstance] runModalWithString:@"Running ..." buttonString:@"Stop"]; while([[MyCoolAlertPanel sharedInstance] isCanceled] == NO) { . . . } [[MyCoolAlertPanel sharedInstance] stopModal]; -christian
From: Gerd_Gueldenpfennig@iXpoint.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Big memory problems (Is OS/EOF useless?) Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:56:50 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH Message-ID: <61vj5i$22o$2@ixpoint.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We are building a large Management Information System with OS/NT 4.2, EOF 2.1 and Informix. Since the early beginning, we have had big troubles with the memory management of OS/EOF. Now we have tracked the problems down to a level, where we can't get any further. We desparately need help from you and/or Apple Enterprise. See this scenario: A small part of the app generates several hundreds of EO's and inserts them into the database. Viewing this in ObjectAlloc.app, we see several thousands of EOF internal objects (EOKeyGlobalID and its components) still in the memory after this task is finished. All of our objects are gone. There are two basic questions and problems: 1) It seems, that there is no way to free all memory, that you have allocated with createObject. You can get rid of your objects, but not of all the objects, that were used from EOF to manage the data (GlobalIDs, Faults,...). Why? Why is there no simple way to create and delete all (!!), what belongs to your EO? In this way EOF is useless !! Imagine what happens, if you try to insert millions of EOs in your database. As long as there are a few bytes per EO is used and can't be freed, it is impossible to use OS/EOF in a large app. 2) We have one way to free all objects, even the internal ones: If you create and insert hundreds of EO, saveChanges and delete all of them afterwards, all (!!) objects are freed. Good. But the record from the database is gone too... But now the next problem can bee seen: The app has allocated about 1 MByte of memory. Really !! In ObjectAlloc there is absolutely no object after this create/delete cycle. None! But the app is 1 MByte bigger than before and the memory will not be used at a later time. If you reproduce this cycle, your application grow 1 Mbyte for every cycle. So we see the next huge problem: In the lower layers of the runtime, under the object layer, there are memory leaks. Once again: 1 Mbyte of memory lost without any allocated object viewed in ObjectAlloc!! So you see: With this two problems, OS/EOF seems to be absolutely worthless for large database applications. Imagine what happens in an 24x7 server app! NeXT/Apple want to use this environment for data intensive enterprise applications. How can we do this with such memory leaks? Help. --- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Gerd Gueldenpfennig + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Daimlerstrasse 3 76275 Ettlingen Germany + + Phone ++49 7243 3775-0 Fax ++49 7243 3775-77 + + Email: Gerd_Gueldenpfennig@ixpoint.de + + (NeXTmail, plain ASCII and MIME format) + + WWW: http://www.ixpoint.de + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.perl.misc From: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Subject: Result: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Sender: news@RnA.NL Organization: R&A Message-ID: <EHstrx.1sB@RnA.NL> References: <EHMDJp.2t9@RnA.NL> <61b95v$4vm$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:33 GMT The result is, under NEXTSTEP 3,3/NEXTSTEP Developer 3.3: For Perl 5.004.03 The sparc compile fails when optimization is on The hppa compile fails regardless of optimization I would like a new cc (this is gcc 2.5.8), but as far as I know, when I install a newer gcc, I lose the possibility to make fat binaries, and that is not acceptable. Maybe there is a way to use the newer parts of the gcc compiler, but keep the old cc driver? If I succeed in creating a good set, I'll distribute a package (that's what I have to do anyway if I want to install easily on my other i386-no-developer system). -- Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl (Gerben Wierda) "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. Renee: "Met veel koper maakt men hoempa." (After hearing Brahms' Festouverture)
From: bierman@_apple.com (Peter Bierman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Rhapsody RDR1 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:07:38 -0700 Organization: I do not speak for Apple Computer! Message-ID: <bierman-1410971707380001@bierpe5.apple.com> References: <603ts4$268$1@news.indy.net> In article <603ts4$268$1@news.indy.net>, steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) wrote: > Does anyone know or suspect that code compiled under Prelude will > ahve any hope running unchanged (e.g., not recompiled) under RDR/Intel? It will not run. Different FoundationKit. -pmb -- pmb (at) mycds.com http://www.mycds.com/pmb/ Knight of the Technocracy "This is MASS MADNESS you MANIACS!"
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From: MaRK_BeSSeY@Apple.Com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Localization on NT? Date: 15 Oct 1997 05:19:48 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <621jpk$nm2$1@news.apple.com> References: <61cmlu$asu$1@nyheter.chalmers.se> Olof Torgersson writes > Hi, > > Does localization work using OpenStep Enterprise 4.2? It seems to me that it did, the last time I checked. > If it does, what should I do to have an application use another language > than english (I know how to write localized applications)? > > Edit.app for example seems to come with a Swedish.lproj but I only get > the english version. Are you running the Swedish version of Windows? I think that OS/Enterprise keys off the language Windows was installed in, there being no per-user language preferences on NT... I seem to remeber that this worked for German, at least. But that was a while ago. Anybody looked at it recently? -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@Apple.Com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mach function trouble Date: 15 Oct 1997 05:46:14 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <621lb6$ia0$1@news.apple.com> References: <61bndm$2fg3@news-sol-int.swissonline.ch> Philippe Robert writes > Hi! > > I am currently writing an OpenStep based app, that gives some i > nformation about the mach kernel, vm, running processes etc. > But I do have a little trouble with the mach function processor_info. > The values that I reveive for processor_count, thread_count and > task_count are completely wrong! (5 tasks, 7 processors and 1 > thread.....). Is there a bug I haven't seen, or did I miss sth??? If you're really using processor_info() to try to get that information, that's where you're going wrong. The function you want is processor_set_info(). processor_info tells you the specifics of a particular processor (like CPU type and subtype). processor_set_info() returns load information for a processor set (a uni-processor system has one set with only one processor in it). Here's an example: #include <mach/mach.h> #include <mach/mach_error.h> #include <stdio.h> int main (int argc, const char *argv[]) { kern_return_t error; host_t host; unsigned int info_count; struct processor_set_basic_info info; processor_set_t default_set; error=processor_set_default(host_self(), &default_set); if (error!=KERN_SUCCESS){ mach_error("Error calling processor_set_default", error); exit(1); } info_count=PROCESSOR_SET_BASIC_INFO_COUNT; error=processor_set_info(default_set, PROCESSOR_SET_BASIC_INFO, &host, (processor_set_info_t)&info, &info_count); if (error != KERN_SUCCESS) mach_error("Error calling processor_set_info", error); printf("The UNIX load average is %f\n", (float)info.load_average/LOAD_SCALE); printf("The Mach factor is %f\n", (float)info.mach_factor/LOAD_SCALE); printf("Number of processors: %d\nNumber of tasks: %d\nNumber of threads: %d\n", info.processor_count, info.task_count, info.thread_count); return 0; } -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
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From: wolfgang@mime.amg.de (Wolfgang Fehmer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Big memory problems (Is OS/EOF useless?) Date: 15 Oct 1997 08:49:43 GMT Organization: FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH Message-ID: <622037$3is@factum.factum-gmbh.de> References: <61vj5i$22o$2@ixpoint.de> In article <61vj5i$22o$2@ixpoint.de>, you wrote: >We are building a large Management Information System with OS/NT 4.2, EOF 2.1 >and Informix. Since the early beginning, we have had big troubles with the >memory management of OS/EOF. > .... .... > >So you see: With this two problems, OS/EOF seems to be absolutely worthless >for large database applications. Imagine what happens in an 24x7 server app! > >NeXT/Apple want to use this environment for data intensive enterprise >applications. How can we do this with such memory leaks? Help. > >--- We have made similar experiences with EOF. Even if deallocation of all created Objects would work properly, you would not succeed in building data intensive enterprise applications. The reasons for this statement are the following: 1) For every EO the Data is held as Key-Value-Pairs, as the original Object and as a copy in an EditingContext. So you have the data three times. 2) The Fault - Objects used by EOF are very expensive in memory They have the same size as an Object of the referenced type. If you have EO's with many references to other EO's, it's nearly impossible to fetch greater amounts of them. So it's not only a problem of memory leaks in the current version of EOF. Moreover it seems to be a conceptual problem of EOF. Therefor I would agree, that it's not possible to build data intensive enterprise applications, because of the memory leaks. But more than that I would say, that it only will be possible in the future, if the basic concepts of EOF 2.x are changed. As a conclusion, we use our own Framework for mapping objects to Databases. I hope, that the conceptual problems of EOF will soon be recognized and fixed.
From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Localization on NT? Date: 15 Oct 1997 08:58:12 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <6220j4$a11$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <61cmlu$asu$1@nyheter.chalmers.se> <621jpk$nm2$1@news.apple.com> MaRK_BeSSeY@Apple.Com (Mark Bessey) wrote: > Are you running the Swedish version of Windows? I think that OS/Enterprise > keys off the language Windows was installed in, there being no per-user > language preferences on NT... It has! You can even define different localized keyboard layouts for different applications (which can be quite confusing). But only the string tables for one language are shipped with the operating system. Otherwise, localization on NT works exactly the same way as in OpenStep for Mach. Open the control panel, click on "Locales" and select another localization scheme. When you start an OpenStep application afterwards, it immediately will use the new language. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: dirk@object-factory.DELME.com (Dirk Olmes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: printing on NT Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:57:58 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <6227jm$s5$1@leonie.object-factory.com> Hi, a friend of mine is recently evaluating OS NT and ran into problems when trying to print. He tells me that printing is only possible on postscript printers (I wouldn't be too surprised if it was so). Can anyone confirm this? Does anybdoy know if solutions like JetPilot or Dots exist for NT? TIA, -dirk --- ______________________________________________________________________ Dirk Olmes OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft fuer Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH Otto-Hahn Str. 18, 44227 Dortmund, Germany Telephon +49 (0) 231 975 137 0 Telefax +49 (0) 231 975 137 99 dirk@object-factory.com http://www.object-factory.com/
From: community@vvi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Rhapsody Software List Date: 15 Oct 1997 12:40:06 GMT Organization: VVI Data Control Specialists Message-ID: <622dj6$h2$1@news2.digex.net> Originator: gsupport@ Rhapsody Software List VVI-DCS is maintaining a list of Rhapsody specific software solutions at: http://www.vvi.com/communityLinks.html Please visit that URL to see what software applications are running or are planned to run on Rhapsody, or to add your company's software solution to the list.
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NSBitmapImageRep blitting speed ? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:18:32 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EI3BEy.5pE@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <EHux0x.DDF.0.scream@sounds.wa.com> In article <EHux0x.DDF.0.scream@sounds.wa.com> brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) writes: > >In article <61g4iu$2rg@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Patrick Stein is > >jollyat joker.ppp.cis.uni-muenchen.de writes: > >> I would presume, that blitting a 16 bit deep bitmap to screen would be a bit > >> faster than blitting a 2 bit deep bitmap to screen - due to the lack of > >> conversions needed. To blit the 2 bit deep bitmap is faster ! Why ? > > While creating MPEG_Play.app, I found that the best performance results > from using a 24-bit display setting, and rendering all bitmaps as 24-bit. > Frame rates were much, much higher with 24-bit data maintained straight > through. I can't comment too much on the relative speed of different display card depths, but I can affirm that its REALLY IMPORTANT that your N[XS]BitmapImageRep be of the same depth as your screen [not always possible :-(]. If performnace is important to you, then you should detect the depth of the screen, and create you bitmap at the right depth. Under such circumstances you should get pretty good performance. Increasing the number of bits (rendering 1 or two bit data on a twelve bit screen say) is acceptable, provided you've a fast machine, and the amount of data is low. Dithering down is always a big no-no (never display 24bit data on a 2bit screen). 8, 12 and 15bit screens are a bit inconvenient, as the channels may need to be shuffled around even if you do you best effort, but performance shouldn't be too bad (you basically have to go with 12 and live with it). Colourstations perform very well in this respect. In fact generally I've found intel hardware to be slower than Black for blitting bitmaps. $an
From: Andrew Lauzon <andrew@foxfire.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: rumba on Sparc Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:54:38 -0400 Organization: FoxFire Systems Message-ID: <3444E73E.1BD5@foxfire.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ported rumba to NeXTStep 3.3 on Sparc I'm having trouble compiling it and would appreciate any hints/tips and even better the binaries for the sparc arch. I can supply you with the sources if you'd like to try porting it too... Andrew
From: John Kuszewski <johnk@spork.niddk.nih.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Rhapsody developer camp? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:18:30 -0400 Organization: Nat'l Insts of Health Message-ID: <34454F46.2757@spork.niddk.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Has anyone heard about Apple offering a "developer camp" for new Rhapsody developers? Something along the lines of the old NeXT dev camps. There was mention of this on the 9/22/97 edition of macintouch, but I haven't seen anything else about it. Any info would be appreciated! -- _____________ | ___/_ | |/ / -- /\ // /-- || || / /|| || || / / || || ||/ / || John Kuszewski || |/ /| || johnk@spasm.niddk.nih.gov || / /|| || \/ / / || \/ that's MISTER protein G to you! |/__/| | /_________| My parents went to Zaire and all I got was this lousy retrovirus.
From: John Hornkvist <sorry@no.more.spams> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Problem with NSImage > 10,000 pixels wide. Date: 15 Oct 1997 02:45:40 GMT Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Högskola Distribution: World Message-ID: <621aok$pif$1@nyheter.chalmers.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In developing an application under OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach which uses NSImages as caches for quick scrolling. However, when an image is more than 10,000 pixels wide, I get the following error message: DPS Error: %%[ Error: rangecheck; OffendingCommand: placewindow ]%% I can avoid the problem by not using a cache image at large image sizes, or circumvent it by using more than one cache image. However, neither of those solutions is very appealing. I'd be grateful for any help. Regards, John Hornkvist --- nhoj AT cd DOT chalmers DOT se Keep your eyes open for MagnaCharta, my upcoming stock charting application.
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 15:16:34 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <61g84i$kv8$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61ffl4$kgk$1@dns2.serv.net> <61g7qe$kv8$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) wrote: > >Under NS 3.3/Intel I went to the folder >..../targets/OpenStep-4.2-intel >and run 'make' (or was it 'make all') and it worked. If I first tried >to run 'setup' or 'make targets' then the compilation crashed. > >Not sure what would happen under NS 3.2 and lower. > >Good luck. > >Rudy. I forgot to mention that one nice person sent me a patch to patch the original distribution of MiniSQL II. I newer got it to work under NS, but I was told that it works fine under OS. Let me know if you need that patch - I would contact him for permission ... Rudy blazek@stt.msu.edu
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PD databases for EOF? Date: 8 Oct 1997 15:11:10 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <61g7qe$kv8$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <343aa049.1449936@news.demon.co.uk> <61f054$jnn$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <61ffl4$kgk$1@dns2.serv.net> thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) wrote: >>Look at http://dev.rkinc.com/~zander/Projects/projects.html >> >>Both MiniSQL II and the Adaptor are for OpenStep, but the server >>compiles fine under NS 3.3. >> > >I grabbed MiniSQL II from Zander's page, but I am unable to get it to >build. I get the same missing mmap.c error that I got with version I. >I read the install directions, but I am doing something incorrect. > >Any help appreciated, > >Dean Johnson Under NS 3.3/Intel I went to the folder ..../targets/OpenStep-4.2-intel and run 'make' (or was it 'make all') and it worked. If I first tried to run 'setup' or 'make targets' then the compilation crashed. Not sure what would happen under NS 3.2 and lower. Good luck. Rudy.
From: binderz@rocketmail.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Pictures Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:11:51 -0700 Organization: LDS I-America Message-ID: <151097211151@rocketmail.com> My names Jack Barnes. I'm gay and proud. Email me with pictures and bio. I will return all email. binderz@rocketmail.com
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From: marcel@system.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: printing on NT Date: 16 Oct 1997 06:14:53 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <624bct$6uo$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <6227jm$s5$1@leonie.object-factory.com> In article <6227jm$s5$1@leonie.object-factory.com> dirk@object-factory.DELME.com (Dirk Olmes) writes: > Hi, > > a friend of mine is recently evaluating OS NT and ran into problems when > trying to print. > He tells me that printing is only possible on postscript printers (I wouldn't > be too surprised if it was so). Can anyone confirm this? Does anybdoy know if > solutions like JetPilot or Dots exist for NT? Well, I have most of the porting work done, but Enterprise has some private interfaces, and neither NeXT nor Apple have been the least bit helpful. Marcel
From: thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Sample Rhapsody code on devworld.apple.com? Date: 16 Oct 1997 09:08:43 GMT Organization: Not Sure Yet Message-ID: <624lir$ja4$1@dns2.serv.net> I ran across some sample code for Rhapsody at http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsodycode.html but I am having problems uncompressing the files. They are stored in *.tgz file (tarred and gzip'd I assume) Opener.app complains and using the command line does not work either. Has anyone had luck with these files? Any tips appreciated, Dean Johnson
From: Charles d'Harcourt <charles@harcourt.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: printing on NT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:05:17 -0700 Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <3445D8CD.F05E0245@harcourt.com> References: <6227jm$s5$1@leonie.object-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may want to check out the $50 SuperPrint from Zenographics (http://www.zeno.com/products/828tbl.html). It supports the output of PostScript to many desktop printers. While I don't user it personally, it gets good reports from those of my OpenStep-using friends who do. - Charles Dirk Olmes wrote: > > Hi, > > a friend of mine is recently evaluating OS NT and ran into problems when > trying to print. > He tells me that printing is only possible on postscript printers (I wouldn't > be too surprised if it was so). Can anyone confirm this? Does anybdoy know if > solutions like JetPilot or Dots exist for NT? > > TIA, > > -dirk > > --- > ______________________________________________________________________ > Dirk Olmes OBJECT FACTORY > Gesellschaft fuer Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH > Otto-Hahn Str. 18, 44227 Dortmund, Germany > Telephon +49 (0) 231 975 137 0 > Telefax +49 (0) 231 975 137 99 > dirk@object-factory.com > http://www.object-factory.com/
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From: "Lee Jang Soo" <jslee@kurene.yonsei.ac.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Sime questions about a.out file format Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:47:15 +0900 Organization: Yonsei Univ. Parallel Processing Lab. Message-ID: <624jhv$1t2@news.elim.net> Hello, My name is Jang-Soo Lee in Seoul, Korea. I have some question about a.out binary file format. I use SPARC10 machine with SunOS 4.1.3 and gcc compiler (ver. 4.2). According to manual page, header in a.out contain informations about text segmentation size, data segmentation size, and so on. And I can get start addresses of text and data using some macros. But the data contained in a.out file are only global and local data written in program. Then, whrere are other data stroed in memory ? Other data mean the data used as argument by a.out binary file. I want to know the start address of argument input data. In my opinion, Argument data are maybe stored in consecutive address following to a.out binary file. Is it right? Please tell me the detail information and recommand a book or papers related this topic. Give me some help please... jslee@kurene.yonsei.ac.kr
From: Jorge <jorge@the.connection.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: BSDI Programmer Wanted Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:06:00 -0700 Organization: NCG-Network Comm. Group Message-ID: <34462D58.C4A@the.connection.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are currently looking for a programmer with knowledge of BSDI Unix. The individual must be located in the greater Toronto area and willing to work evenings. Please contact Jorge at jorge@connection.com with your name, telephone number and service rates and when you are available. The need is for an immediate support person. Thanks and look forward to contacting you. Jorge
From: igerard@shadok.ina.fr (Gerard Iglesias) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mouseMoved in subclass of NSView Date: 16 Oct 1997 06:43:00 GMT Organization: INA Message-ID: <624d1k$42$3@tintin.ina.fr> References: <gerard-0910971923020001@gege.ina.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: gerard@lestudio.fr In <gerard-0910971923020001@gege.ina.fr> Gerard Iglesias wrote: > Hello, > > I use Prelude to Rhapsody, and I have a problem with mouseMoved in a > subclass of NSView. It don't work, event if I send > setAcceptsMouseMovedEvents to the window of the view. I send this method > in the body of mouseEntered, which I receive well after registering the > tracking rect. > In fact, I found the solution, you must override acceptFirstResponder in the subview to return YES and it works, but I don't understand why. -- Gerard Iglesias Ingénieur de Recherche INA
From: Chris Van Buskirk <cvbuskirk@home.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: The AWT holdup.... Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:14:45 -0400 Organization: NextGen Internet Message-ID: <343F6DB5.406A6022@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed that the awt(jdk1.1.4) will not be included with the first seeding of rhapsody. Do you think apple is doing this puposely in order to get everyone to code with the yellow box? -chris
From: Sigthor Hrafnsson <siffi@treknet.is> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OpenStep 4.x localization Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:28:58 +0100 Organization: Islandia ISP Message-ID: <3442F50A.35EB@treknet.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I want to localize openstep 4.x to my country language (icelandic). I have been trying to find some documentation regarding this, but can't seem to find any. Can somone point me out a starting point. siffi@treknet.is
From: holger@object-factory.REMOVETHIS.com (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Sample Rhapsody code on devworld.apple.com? Date: 16 Oct 1997 13:12:16 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <6253rg$26o$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <624lir$ja4$1@dns2.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dean Johnson wrote: > I ran across some sample code for Rhapsody at > http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsodycode.html > but I am having problems uncompressing the files. > > They are stored in *.tgz file (tarred and gzip'd I assume) Opener.app > complains and using the command line does not work either. Has anyone > had luck with these files? Worked fine for me - double-clicked, Opener ran & there it was.. Maybe your downloads were corrupted? Holger -- Holger Hoffstaette - holger"at"object-factory.com Object Factory GmbH - http://www.object-factory.com/ Rhapsody: The power to crush the other consultants.
From: seanlNoSpam@carmi.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Date: 16 Oct 1997 15:32:22 GMT Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Message-ID: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> I've heard rumblings from Apple about a "proposed modern syntax" of Objective-C which sounds half-baked at best. Here's the latest (from Rhapsody Basics, at http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsody_basics.html ): Message Expression The message expression looks like this: [receivingObject messageName:argument]; In the proposed modern syntax, the same expression will look like this: receivingObject.messageName(argument); I see two BIG problems with this: 1) It appears to make Obj-C++ an impossibility, as the syntax is excessively similar to C++ to differentiate the two in an LR parser. 2) It uses a dot (.) notation to dereference what is more appropriately a pointer to an object. This is a big change from standard C practice. Can anyone point me to a more complete discussion of this, or have any interesting tidbits about this, um, "interesting" new approach to Obj-C? _____________________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Spam Must Die! "I've discovered that P==NP, but the proof is too U Maryland at College Park large to fit in the margins of this signature." seanl@nospamcs.umd.edu URL: http://nospamwww.cs.umd.edu/~seanl/
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:41:25 -0700 From: abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Message-ID: <abridge-1610970941270001@dcn36.dcn.davis.ca.us> References: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> Organization: Bridge Family In article <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu>, seanlnospam@nospamcs.umd.edu wrote: >I've heard rumblings from Apple about a "proposed modern syntax" of >Objective-C which sounds half-baked at best. Here's the latest (from >Rhapsody Basics, at >http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsody_basics.html ): > > Message Expression > The message expression looks like this: > [receivingObject messageName:argument]; > In the proposed modern syntax, the same expression will look like this: > receivingObject.messageName(argument); > >I see two BIG problems with this: > >1) It appears to make Obj-C++ an impossibility, as the syntax is > excessively similar to C++ to differentiate the two in an LR parser. > >2) It uses a dot (.) notation to dereference what is more appropriately a > pointer to an object. This is a big change from standard C practice. > >Can anyone point me to a more complete discussion of this, or have any >interesting tidbits about this, um, "interesting" new approach to Obj-C? > It's DEAD DEAD DEAD. Killed. No More. Non-implimented. They decided Java was enough. ab -- Adam Bridge
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:19:59 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <625ibv$m2u$2@cronkite.cygnus.com> References: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> <abridge-1610970941270001@dcn36.dcn.davis.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us In <abridge-1610970941270001@dcn36.dcn.davis.ca.us> Adam Bridge wrote: > In article <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu>, seanlnospam@nospamcs.umd.edu wrote: > > >I've heard rumblings from Apple about a "proposed modern syntax" of > >Objective-C which sounds half-baked at best. Here's the latest (from > >Rhapsody Basics, at > >http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsody_basics.html ): > > > > Message Expression > > The message expression looks like this: > > [receivingObject messageName:argument]; > > In the proposed modern syntax, the same expression will look like this: > > receivingObject.messageName(argument); > > [snip] > >Can anyone point me to a more complete discussion of this, or have any > >interesting tidbits about this, um, "interesting" new approach to Obj-C? > > > > It's DEAD DEAD DEAD. > > Killed. > > No More. > > Non-implimented. > > They decided Java was enough. > > ab > > YAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!! DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD! DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD! (and there was much rejoicing) -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Thought for the day: According to the supreme court, proof of innocence isn't enough to avoid execution if you've exhausted your appeals.
From: kamran@tybrin3.hsv.tybrin.com (Kamran Talai) Subject: Resizing NXBrowser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <BqtQbyl28GA.140@newstoo.hiwaay.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:54:53 -0500 Hello, I get an assertion error when resizing an NXBrowser immediately after clicking on an item inside the browser box. This is the message that is displayed on the console: Assertion failed: You removed a View from the View hierarchy that had been lockFocus'ed The above error condition does not halt/crash the program. The only noticeable consequence has been the annoying error messages. My purpose in resizing an NXBrowser is to emulate a drop down list box in Next Step 3.1. I think the problem is related to the matrix in column 0 (the only column used) having been locked for display when the resizing occurs. So, I included the following check at the beginning of the method where the resizing occurs if ([[expandedDropBox matrixInColumn:0] isFocusView] == YES) [[expandedDropBox matrixInColumn:0] unlockFocus]; This causes the program to crash with the following message sent to the console window: Assertion failed: Unlocking Focus on wrong View Resizing the browser box after other events such as clicking in the background or other active controls doesn't produce this error. So far, I've only noticed the problem when the resizing is attempted immediately after an item inside the browser box is clicked. I've looked long and hard for something that would remove the focus from this matrix view programmatically to emulate another control having been clicked but no luck so far. I would appreciate any ideas that could clear this error... -- Kamran Talai TYBRIN Corporation (205) 837-2027 FAX 837-3472 kamran@hsv.tybrin.com
From: eric@skatter.usask.ca (Eric Norum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Serial class for Rhapsody Date: 11 Oct 1997 15:24:20 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <61o5n4$o4e$1@tribune.usask.ca> References: <343E856C.2B16@anonym.at> <msg158059.thr-23e78298.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> <61m3vt$4du$2@news.xmission.com> Don Yacktman (don@misckit.com) wrote: : herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) wrote: : > I too desperately need serial port support in the foundation. : > The MiscKit has, I believe, some serial port stuff, but the : > last time I asked about it, it was still nextstep and not : > openstep, which won't help me at all : : The latest kit has an OPENSTEP version in it, but _I_ haven't : tested it. You might want to try it out. : _I_ have tested it (I wrote it...). It works for everything I've tried. I use the MiscSerialPort and MiscXmodem classes to control an Allpro `Universal Device Programmer' attached to one of the serial ports on my machine. There's lots of room for improvement, though. I hope that someone with more time (and/or talent...) picks up the class and works on it. -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory Phone: (306) 966-6308 University of Saskatchewan FAX: (306) 966-6058 Saskatoon, Canada.
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: BitmapImageRep's and palette based TIFFs Date: 16 Oct 1997 18:27:44 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: pcf1@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <625mb0$cok$1@netty.york.ac.uk> For various reasons I am trying to unpack the data from a BitmapImageRep and get at the R,G and B values. I can do this quite happily on normal TIFF files. But sometimes I come across a TIFF which appears to have a colour palette and a set of indexes into it. Either I'm blind or BitmapImageRep provides no way of detecting when you have one of these - and no way of getting at the palette ! The odd this is that it displays some images like this perfectly o.k. Any suggestion ? -bat.
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Rhapsody announcements Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:31:27 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <625q2f$3t7@shelob.afs.com> References: <625os2$23g$1@sps1.phys.vt.edu> Nathan Urban writes > In article <625nnk$3oi@shelob.afs.com>, Greg_Anderson@afs.com wrote: > > And if you use loadable bundles, the rules for Windows DLLs > > are much more inflexible than Mach bundles. > > I've heard that before, but haven't really read what the limitations > are. What can't you do in Windows DLLs that you can do in Mach bundles? > Are there workarounds? The big issue is what can be shared across the bundle "membrane" (for lack of a better word). Unlike Mach bundles, DLL bundles can't share externed variables or functions defined in the main bundle. For example, in Windows, you can't refer to 'NSApp' (which is an extern declared in NSApplication.h) from code in DLL bundles. Instead, you need to say [NSApplication sharedApplication]. The safest approach is to eliminate all externs (I wrapped them in class methods) and change functions to methods. To find potential problems, I compiled the DLL bundle with linker option '-undefined suppress', then looked at the list of undefined symbols. Ultimately I got the list down to class name references which I knew would be included in main. One last thing -- unlike Mach, in Windows bundle projects you need to include all the Frameworks your bundle might touch. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "We're in the land of the blind, Visionary Ophthalmologist | selling working eyeballs, and they Anderson Financial Systems | balk at the choice of color." -- Tony greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | Lovell, on Mac user reactions to NeXT
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Date: 16 Oct 1997 20:20:23 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <625su7$jn4$1@news.digifix.com> References: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> In-Reply-To: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> On 10/16/97, Sean Luke wrote: >I've heard rumblings from Apple about a "proposed modern syntax" of >Objective-C which sounds half-baked at best. Here's the latest (from >Rhapsody Basics, at >http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsody_basics.html ): > > Message Expression > The message expression looks like this: > [receivingObject messageName:argument]; > In the proposed modern syntax, the same expression will look like this: > receivingObject.messageName(argument); > >I see two BIG problems with this: > >1) It appears to make Obj-C++ an impossibility, as the syntax is > excessively similar to C++ to differentiate the two in an LR parser. > >2) It uses a dot (.) notation to dereference what is more appropriately a > pointer to an object. This is a big change from standard C practice. > >Can anyone point me to a more complete discussion of this, or have any >interesting tidbits about this, um, "interesting" new approach to Obj-C? > Yep, its definately a dead issue. They've dropped the idea and hopefully won't be attempting to resurrect it. The Rhapsody FAQs on DevWorld have been updated to reflect this. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NSAttributedString question Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:37:06 -0400 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg160017.thr-3e290f.f4cdd@flannet.middlebury.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg160017.thr-3e290f.f4cdd.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> I've got a scrollView in which the user can add a custom attribute to selected portions of text. Each time that attribute is assigned, it is given a unique value. Later, if the user selects a fragment of text that has been so attributed, what's the best way for me to retrieve the full range of text that has that value? Example: "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs." This sentence is located within a larger text. Say the user has assigned a custom attribute called "TextSegmentAttribute" to this particular sentence, and the unique value of that attribute is "foo". Later, the user selects the words "fox jumped". I can use one of the -attribute:atIndex methods to find out that those words have the value "foo". Knowing that, what's the best way to retrieve the range of all text with that unique attribute--i.e., to get the range of the entire sentence? Jay
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.x localization Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:43:59 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EI5v0t.4vy@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <3442F50A.35EB@treknet.is> Sigthor Hrafnsson <siffi@treknet.is> wrote: > I want to localize openstep 4.x to my country language (icelandic). > > I have been trying to find some documentation regarding this, > but can't seem to find any. > > Can somone point me out a starting point. This is for NS3.x, and for Dutch instead of Icelandic, but it is probably still valid for OS/Mach 4.x. It only helps for apps you develop (or localize) on your own. The standard NeXT apps come with only 7 languages, and I'm afraid Icelandic (like Dutch) isn't one of them... > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer > Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco > Return-Path: <flexus!rfschtkt@maze.ruca.ua.ac.be> > Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:03:19 +0100 > From: Raf Schietekat <flexus!rfschtkt@maze.ruca.ua.ac.be> > Message-ID: <9503031403.AA00988@flexus> > Subject: Locali(s/z)ation > Reply-To: flexus!RfSchtkt@maze.ruca.ua.ac.be > Lines: 48 > > Hi, > > Want to have some fun and surprise your friends and/or LAN companions with a > bit of local-language stuff? Or, on a more serious note, satisfy your > customers? > > Here's what you should do to activate your own language, if it's not yet > supported by NeXT (at least, it works for me): > > As root: > - Edit /usr/lib/NextStep/Resources/language.strings by adding the relevant > English-local pair for your language, e.g., "Dutch"="Nederlands". > - Edit some stuff in /usr/lib/NextStep/Resources/English.lproj, and save it > with the same name but in Dutch.lproj. > > For each user: > - in a shell: ``dread System Language'' and ``dread System AvailableLanguages'' > - take the output of the previous two, and, with the English name of your > language added, do things like ``dwrite System Language "Dutch;<output>"'', for > both previous dreads, with <output> replaced with what came out of dread. > I don't know the difference between Language and AvailableLanguages. > > Any program that is quit and launched again should now work with your own > language (limited to available localisation). > > If your language does not figure in the language.strings file you might want to > send me the appropriate pair to use (please use the subject ``Re: > Locali(s/z)ation''). I'll publish the finished registry, and, who knows, > perhaps NeXT will even most kindly and generously consent to add it to the next > release... (If I have missed any existing registry, please tell me.) Here's > what I have now: > >>>>> > "Dutch" = "Nederlands"; > <<<<< > > Note: Read NextAnswers.1102. > > Raf Schietekat, RfSchtkt@maze.ruca.ua.ac.be (NeXTmail), Flanders, Belgium > If I don't answer: my mail relay can't handle !, % or .uucp, I think > > The language of the northernmost part of Belgium, where more than half of its > population lives, is Dutch (as in The Netherlands), not Flemish (there is no > such language). The southernmost part speaks French, except for a few cantons > (?) in the east where they speak German. Belgium's capital is Brussels, also > the capital of the European Union, and a lot of languages are spoken there. > There, a real ``surprise package of Europe'' (cf. commercial on CNN > International) :-)... [P.S. If you really feel the need to crosspost, _cross_post, and don't post separate identical articles to different groups. Also, crosposting into csn.misc is by the group's charter off-topic. See the weekly "NEXTSTEP resources on the Internet" FAQ if you want to know why -- this was your friendly neighbourhood net.cop speaking:-] Hope this helps, Tom. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.nl> (work) __/__/__/ __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: EOF 2.X installing the examples Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:44:30 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <6284le$mfl@stern.fokus.gmd.de> Hi ! I try to install the EOF2.X examples on my NeXTCube running OS 4.2, with EOF2.X and the old Sybase Database server (still from the NeXT 2.0 version) I follow the instructions in /NextDeveloper/Examples/EnterpriseObjects/ExampleGuide I already done the steps one to "Configuring the Example Models" when I double-click on install_database the shell says: > Loading schema and data for Movies database, please wait... > Oct 16 19:55:47 eoutil[10032] Exception running dump: Sybase: Column or parameter #6: Can't find type 'decimal'. > > Loading schema and data for Rentals database, please wait... > Oct 16 19:56:04 eoutil[10033] Exception running dump: Sybase: Column or parameter #7: Can't find type 'decimal'. > > > [Prozes verlassen - Exit-Code 1] what should i do? (before I rewrite MovieData.plist the way that it fit to the old sybase server, and i could "copy paste" it into the isql - shell (like i do in the good old times (EOF 1.X) ) -- - Oliver ___________________________________________________________
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <10325876024022@digifix.com> Date: 12 Oct 1997 03:49:09 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <4564876628829@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Sample Rhapsody code on devworld.apple.com? Date: 18 Oct 1997 11:03:11 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Message-ID: <62a51f$3fp$1@news.idiom.com> References: <628ghj$rdi$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <6292nk$2cn$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: wjs@foom.omnigroup.com In <6292nk$2cn$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> William Shipley wrote: -> We made this decision because we hadn't seen a misconfigured HTTP server -> in a long time. Wow! Will, you sure don't get out much. Dan Farmer's sample of web sites found a shockingly large number of miscongfigured servers (although he was looking for security problems, not HTTP servers botching their type-reporting.) -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" y. Rhapsody has slightly different frameworks and some additions not found in 4.2. Nextstep 3.2 uses even older frameworks and wouldn't do you much good beyond learning some of the concepts of object oriented programming. -- David D. Herren www.cet.middlebury.edu/herren Assoc. Dir. for Tech. & Instruction herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Center for Educational Technology voice: (802)443-5746 Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT 05753 fax: (802)443-2053
From: zizi zhao <ziziz@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ? NS face for PERL scripts ? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:15:34 -0400 Organization: personal Message-ID: <62agiu$75n@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote a script in PERL. Now some other people need to use this script, but they normally don't use terminals at all, or even type. I thought if I can put on a simple interface on my script to make it more friendly to those people. The inputs to this script are a path name and two integers only. If I can have a window/panel with a text-field for the path name and two sliders for the integers, plus a button "Go", that would be enough. Plus its better to make drag&drop a folder from work space to the path name text-field on my window. I don't want to write this app again in C/obejC since my script takes the integers and runs through the file system to find anything related to the path name and modify it. It is a easy job in PERL, but not fairly in C. I am not very sure if I can embed a PERL script in NS programming or not. Any opinion and suggestion is welcome. Thanks in advance, ZiZi
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Is there a high-speed way to draw pixels in NS3.3 (or OS4.2)? For graphics rendering... Date: 11 Oct 1997 16:41:45 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EHunnC.BLF@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <343D3BB9.3E05@prv.com> <61ks4s$n4b$1@leonie.object-factory.com> <343E30E9.26884B87@oto.se> [This is a programming question so I removed the crosspost to csn.misc] Lyaeus <deh@oto.se> wrote: > Erik Doernenburg wrote: > > > Create an NSBitmapImageRep object with parameters that suit your application > > and add it as a representation to an NSImage object. Now set your pixels in > > the bitmap data which you can access with [NSBitmapImageRep bitmapData] and > > composite the image somewhere onto your screen, with [NSImage > > compositeToPoint:operation:]. This is portable and fairly fast. > > And what if your stuck with NXImage which doesn't have compositeToPoint? One way to find out is to fire up Librarian, search for "composite NXImage" in General Reference, and find, in Classes/NXImage.rtf: - composite:(int)op toPoint:(const NXPoint *)aPoint -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Result: Cannot compile perl 5.004.03 under NEXTSTEP 3.3 Date: 10 Oct 1997 17:51:58 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <61lpvu$se2@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <SCOTT.97Oct10100055@slave.doubleu.com> In article <SCOTT.97Oct10100055@slave.doubleu.com> scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) writes: > In article <EHstrx.1sB@RnA.NL> Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl writes: > I would like a new cc (this is gcc 2.5.8), but as far as I know, > when I install a newer gcc, I lose the possibility to make fat > binaries, and that is not acceptable. > > You can use a newer gcc to create thin binaries - which, since they > are assembled by NeXT's as, are Mach-O thin binaries, you can then > lipo together to make a fat binary. I guess then the problem becomes > whether you can build a gcc cross-compiler for sparc/hppa on NeXTSTEP. That's the $0.02 question of the day, and I'll chime in: the answer is no. gcc doesn't support sparc-next-nextstep3 or hppa-next-nextstep3 output targets. (I know, because I've tried). (-; -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ? NS face for PERL scripts ? Date: 18 Oct 1997 22:41:00 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <62bdts$sje$1@news.platinum.com> References: <62agiu$75n@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Cc: ziziz@worldnet.att.net In <62agiu$75n@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> it appeared that zizi zhao wrote: > I wrote a script in PERL. Now some other people need to use > this script, but they normally don't use terminals at all, or > even type. I thought if I can put on a simple interface on > my script to make it more friendly to those people. > > The inputs to this script are a path name and two integers only. > If I can have a window/panel with a text-field for the path name > and two sliders for the integers, plus a button "Go", that would > be enough. Plus its better to make drag&drop a folder from work > space to the path name text-field on my window. > > I don't want to write this app again in C/obejC since my script > takes the integers and runs through the file system to find > anything related to the path name and modify it. It is a easy > job in PERL, but not fairly in C. > > I am not very sure if I can embed a PERL script in NS programming > or not. Any opinion and suggestion is welcome. I think the makers of TipTop have an interface to PERL, and python... If you want to roll your own, find a couple apps with source code like "Ping.app" from next-ftp.peak.org Little apps like this do something similar to what you describe -- instrument an existing CLI. You could probably find one and modify it to do what you're doing. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine | ____/| OpenStep MachOS | \ o.O| Objective-C l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com | =(_)= the Dock NeXTmail & MIME | U Elegance is Relevant.
From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Serial class for Rhapsody Date: 10 Oct 1997 20:42:37 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Message-ID: <61m3vt$4du$2@news.xmission.com> References: <343E856C.2B16@anonym.at> <msg158059.thr-23e78298.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) wrote: > I too desperately need serial port support in the foundation. > The MiscKit has, I believe, some serial port stuff, but the > last time I asked about it, it was still nextstep and not > openstep, which won't help me at all The latest kit has an OPENSTEP version in it, but _I_ haven't tested it. You might want to try it out. > (and before anyone suggests that I > assist in the writing of it, I would remind you that the > misckit is a solid piece of work--why ruin it's reputation > with my code...?) At risk of being a smart-aleck, you _can_ help. Grab the latest kit, try out the ported object. If it works for you, great. If not, help us figure out what bugs remain (even if that means you contribute a few minor bug fixes :-) ). Since the kit is now so large that I can't possibly police the quality control the way I used to, I have to rely on people like you and the rest of the net community to find and fix what problems exist. About all I really have the time to do is keep it all tied together...and many could (rightfully) claim that I need to do a better job of it! :-) This is a pretty good system, though, since by having so many people putting the code through its paces, the quality gets up there pretty fast--faster than, for example, if just I were doing the fixing, anyway. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:02:55 -0600 From: jpyoung@io.com Subject: DO exceptions Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Message-ID: <876945276.30398@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service I have a group of applications that talk using Distributed Objects under OpenStep 4.2. They will occasionally crash with exceptions NSInvalidSendPortException or NSInvalidReceivePortException. I believe that these are raised when a dead NSDistantObject has a method called upon it before the NSConnectionDidDieNotification is received. Anyway, is there any way to cause this exception to _not_ be raised or to be handled generically without having exception handling code every time I make a call on a distributed object (which really kind of destroys the illusion of treating proxies like normal objects). I know I could have an exception handler at the highest level of my program, but then, I wind up with no way to get back to what I was in the middle of doing. In short, I would like a way to ignore these exceptions. -- J. P. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: NSBitmapImageRep blitting speed ? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EI42z0.DyK@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:13:47 GMT References: <EHux0x.DDF.0.scream@sounds.wa.com> <EI3BEy.5pE@cam-ani.co.uk> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <EI3BEy.5pE@cam-ani.co.uk>, Ian Stephenson <ians@cam-ani.co.uk> wrote: > >Increasing the number of bits (rendering 1 or two bit data on a twelve bit >screen say) is acceptable, provided you've a fast machine, and the amount >of data is low. Dithering down is always a big no-no (never display 24bit >data on a 2bit screen). > This is something that makes a dual-headed NeXTdimension machine really bite. The WindowServer renders everything in 32-bit, making the mono screen somewhat sluggish and look crappy (ever work with a dithererd Workspace background?) -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <4564876628829@digifix.com> Date: 19 Oct 1997 03:48:52 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <21870877233630@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: RDR CDs? Date: 18 Oct 1997 23:17:00 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <62bg1c$sje$2@news.platinum.com> References: <3447DFE6.F5D@spork.niddk.nih.gov> Cc: johnk@spork.niddk.nih.gov In <3447DFE6.F5D@spork.niddk.nih.gov> it appeared that John Kuszewski wrote: > Has anyone actually received their RDR CD-ROMs? > Just getting a little anxious... "If we go by the book like Lt. Savik, hours can seem like days. If we go by the book, Captain." -- Spock, Start Trek II the Wrath of Kahn /gary -- Gary W. Longsine | ____/| OpenStep MachOS | \ o.O| Objective-C l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com | =(_)= the Dock NeXTmail & MIME | U Elegance is Relevant.
From: sarmad@fas.harvard.edu (Shaikh Sarmad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: perl -V for NeXT Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:56:50 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Message-ID: <62ds6i$qrq$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> I'll be installing perl 5.004_1 on a NeXT 3 that already has perl 4.0 installed. How do I get the options that were used to install perl 4.0 (like args to cc, etc). The NeXT machines don't seem to support perl -V that usually displays the configuration info. I'm a recent convert to NeXT so please don't mind if this sounds like a stupid question :) Thanx in advance. -- s a r m a d
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: bundles... shared libs.. and all that. Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:36:50 GMT Organization: IndyNet - Indys Internet Gateway (info@indy.net) Message-ID: <62e222$q6b$1@news.indy.net> Hi there, I tried to ask this question a couple of weeks ago (or so) and got no response. I'm guessing that maybe I phrased the question poorly. I need to get the detailed documentation on building shared libraries under Prelude to Rhapsody/Rhapsody. I'm used to building shared libraries, under 3.2 but my code isn't working here. Must I use bundles? or should I be using Frameworks? Where is this discussed. I looked with Librarian, but I couldn't find anything about shared libs... maybe I don't know the right 'magic' word to search for.. or perhaps I was looking in the wrong bookshelf... Any thoughs? thanks, -steve
From: "Bruce J. Dolby" <B.Dolby@pfh.sel.alcatel.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Workspace Manager Next 3.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:36:34 +0100 Organization: Alcatel SEL Message-ID: <344C85B2.7FC6@pfh.sel.alcatel.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I'm trying to launch one application from another by using the Workspace Manager under Next 3.3. My code looks like this: if([[Application workspace] launchApplication:"SomeApp.app"]) { printf("Launch succeeded."); } else { printf("Launch failed."); } Some applications come up with no problems and the method launchApplication returns YES. Some applications seem to have problems being launched this way. Sometimes the system hangs for a short time (about 30 s) and launchApplication return NO, but the application is launched successfully. Maybe it's because there are certain things you can't do in the init or awakeFromNib method at the application being launched, but I don't know. Can anybody help me? Bruce
From: mrb@bowles-hall.com (Brendan Bolles) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: C++ on NeXTSTEP 3.0 Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:43:41 GMT Organization: UC Berkeley Message-ID: <mrb-2010970147130001@dialup48-berkeley.autobahn.org> Is anyone successfully running C++ on Mach? I have a NeXTstation running NS 3.1 user 3.0 developer. All the C headers and libraries were installed off the CD, but no such luck for C++, even though the cc++ program is there. I got the libraries at this URL: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/devtools/libg++.3.2.NIH.ba.tar.gz Unpacking them gave me a folder of headers and a library of object files, which I deposited manually in their appropriate places. Unfortunately, however, cc++ doesn't seem to be able to see the files. When I move the headers to a folder where they will be visible, I only get a slew of error messages. Can anyone suggest a simple way to get C++ working on my NeXT? I need it for a class (otherwise I'd just use Objective-C). Thanks, Brendan Bolles mrb@bowles-hall.com
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: bundles... shared libs.. and all that. Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:04:41 GMT Organization: IndyNet - Indys Internet Gateway (info@indy.net) Message-ID: <62fds9$ju1$1@news.indy.net> References: <62e222$q6b$1@news.indy.net> Hello folks.... Aha! That's it! Art Isbell kindly responed (as well as a few others *Thank You*). I don't mean shared libraries.. thought I *thought* they were shared. What I used were dynamically loaded libraries. (I was thinking of these as essentially 'DLL' like... and since DLL's are shared I guessed wrongly that they were shared as well.... I'm guessing that Art won't mind if I quote him: Art> Frameworks. You must be referring to something else Art> when you say that you are accustomed to building shared Art> libraries under NS 3.2 because user-built shared libraries Art> weren't supported until OS 4.0 (as Frameworks). Maybe you Art> were building dynamically-loaded libraries under NS 3.2. Art> These are still supported under OS, but any code that will be Art> used during all sessions should be incorporated into a Art> Framework or Frameworks because these are automatically Art> loaded when the process is started. Hmm... no I really need them to be dynamically loaded. Loading them all when the process is started makes the exercise pointless! There are a *lot* of them (this is for a Python port I'm doing to OS4.2, the code works great in 3.2) and the whole point is to save the time it takes to load modules that don't end up being used. Do I need to use a 'bundle' or can I still build a simple library.so? thanks! -steve steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) (me!) wrote: > >Hi there, > > I tried to ask this question a couple of weeks ago (or so) and got >no response. I'm guessing that maybe I phrased the question poorly. I need >to get the detailed documentation on building shared libraries under >Prelude to Rhapsody/Rhapsody. I'm used to building shared libraries, >under 3.2 but my code isn't working here. Must I use bundles? or should >I be using Frameworks? Where is this discussed. I looked with Librarian, >but I couldn't find anything about shared libs... maybe I don't know the >right 'magic' word to search for.. or perhaps I was looking in the >wrong bookshelf... Any thoughs? > >thanks, >-steve >
From: seanlNoSpam@carmi.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Date: 16 Oct 1997 20:28:53 GMT Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Message-ID: <625te5$qu2$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> References: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> <abridge-1610970941270001@dcn36.dcn.davis.ca.us> Adam Bridge (abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us) wrote: >In article <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu>, seanlnospam@nospamcs.umd.edu wrote: >>I've heard rumblings from Apple about a "proposed modern syntax" of >>Objective-C which sounds half-baked at best. Here's the latest (from >>Rhapsody Basics, at >>http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsody_basics.html ): [snip] >>Can anyone point me to a more complete discussion of this, or have any >>interesting tidbits about this, um, "interesting" new approach to Obj-C? > >It's DEAD DEAD DEAD. >Killed. >No More. >Non-implimented. I'd like to believe this, but I don't. The reason: it's spewed all over Apple's *brand*new* rhapsody developer documents. See the URL listed above. _____________________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Spam Must Die! "I've discovered that P==NP, but the proof is too U Maryland at College Park large to fit in the margins of this signature." seanl@nospamcs.umd.edu URL: http://nospamwww.cs.umd.edu/~seanl/
From: arti@lava.DOTnet (Art Isbell - remove "DOT") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: HELP: <appkit/nextstd.h> Date: 21 Oct 1997 19:25:55 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <62ivk3$gf5@mochi.lava.net> References: <344BC76A.56BF@writeme.com> Wassim M Jabi <jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote: > I am trying to port someone else's code to OPENSTEP. > I ran across a #import <appkit/nextstd.h> which is > not found in OPENSTEP. Can anyone clue me in on what > this is used for?? > what do I need to change??? You could probably save yourself some time by running the NS code through the automated OS conversion process. Otherwise, you'll be making all the changes manually which could take time and might introduce bugs. The conversion process isn't perfect either, but it will get you most of the way there. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: arti@lavaDOTnet Trego Systems (for whom I don't speak) Voice/Fax: +1 808 394 0511 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 808 394 0495 managed care solutions US Mail: Honolulu, HI 96825-2638
From: Oleg Tomilin <oleg@rrg.msk.su> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Q: OpenStep's plans for Java Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:30:18 +0300 Organization: Interna Message-ID: <344CBC7A.6B70@rrg.msk.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does anyone know smth. about OpenStep's plans for Java. Are there any efforts to auto-port Objective-C to Java - or semi-auto-port. Thanks, Timur.
From: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhöfer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Date: 16 Oct 1997 22:02:30 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <6262tm$mi@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <625c26$nj1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> <abridge-1610970941270001@dcn36.dcn.davis.ca.us> abridge@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Adam Bridge) wrote: >It's DEAD DEAD DEAD. > >Killed. > >No More. > >Non-implimented. > >They decided Java was enough. > >ab >Adam Bridge You know that for sure?? Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhh! ------------------------------------- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (public key avaible at any key server near you ...)
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: perl -V for NeXT Date: 21 Oct 1997 21:51:23 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <62j84r$1kf$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <62ds6i$qrq$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> <62i6c6$juq$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <62j58e$6p1@ragnarok.en.eunet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to followup, but the answer I gave before was the more generic URL... this is a better one ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/Patches/NEXTSTEP3.3Patch1/libposix.a TjL
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: perl -V for NeXT Date: 21 Oct 1997 21:49:58 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <62j826$1kf$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <62ds6i$qrq$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> <62i6c6$juq$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <62j58e$6p1@ragnarok.en.eunet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In <62j58e$6p1@ragnarok.en.eunet.de> Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > If you could save libposix.a from a 3.3pl1 system And if you don't have it you can get it from http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2066.htmld/2066.html > and are not afraid of what I call the Dynamically Loadable POSIX Chainsaw Hack Wow! That is scary.... I thought *I* did weird stuff ;-) > ('no, no! not the soft cushion!') And then you must chop down the largest tree in the forest with... a herring! TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: Wassim M Jabi <jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: HELP: NSDefaults Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:19:08 -0400 Organization: University At Buffalo Message-ID: <344692DC.2679@writeme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hello: The online HELP system on OPENSTEP/NT is really bad, so: Can anyone tell me how I should be registering User Defaults. Here is my "old" code from Mach: #import "AppController.h" #import "DocumentClass.h" #import <foundation/NSUserDefaults.h> @implementation AppController + initialize { static NSDefaultsVector appDefaults= { { "DEBUGFILE", "~/debugfile" }, { "WindowSize", "400 300" }, { "NewEmptyDocument", "YES" }, { (char *)NULL}, }; NSRegisterDefaults([NSApp appName], appDefaults); return self; } - documentClass { return [DocumentClass class]; } @end -- Wassim Jabi, Assistant Professor Department of Architecture mailto:wj@writeme.com University at Buffalo Tel: +1 716.829.3485 Ext. 323 3435 Main St. - Hayes Hall Fax: +1 716.829.3256 Buffalo, NY 14214-3087
From: jklein@freon.artificial.com (jon klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How to play a single note on 4.2 Date: 21 Oct 97 23:51:29 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <344d4001.0@192.33.12.30> I'm like to be able to play some musical notes real time using one of the instrument sounds as the scoreplayer does. I though MusicKit would be the place to start, but I find that it is not compatible with OpenStep. Is there any simple code anywhere that will allow me to do this? For what it's worth, I'm using NeXT hardware and can assume that the DSP will be around, though the ideal solution also works on Sparc and Intel. I'd appriciate any help! -- -jon klein, jklein@freon.artificial.com NeXTmail welcome
From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXTDevelopers/Examples Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:58:32 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Message-ID: <62g648$h11@shelob.afs.com> References: <EIBEML.GwD@basil.icce.rug.nl> Tom Hageman writes > fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) wrote: > > I looking for NeXTDevelopers/Examples (OpenStep 4.2) > > or NeXTDevelopers/Documentation (OpenStep 4.2) for: > > > > a) integratiing the on-line Help in my .app ? > > (With PB in NeXTSTEP 3.3 i just click on "addHelpDirectory" ) > > You can't, really. Integrated online help was dropped in the transition > from NEXTSTEP to OPENSTEP. The rationale behind this was, as far as I > remember, that "OpenStep applications should use the help system native > to the OS it is running on." (aka "use Windows Help". Oops... :-() The current thinking on this topic is "use HTML with relative links." Frankly, this is a great idea, since (1) every platform has a browser; and (2) it's one less set of things to maintain. You can even put the help system up on a Web site and let people ping it there. > > b) reach NeXT-Mail, to implement somethig like a user-reply > > (including to fill the text fields "To" and "subject") > > Your best bet is to hand the request to a separate (compiled on 3.x). > utility (e.g. nextmail from mailapp-utilities, available at > ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/). Yellow Box has a new API for this purpose. I'd recommend you use that. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "We're in the land of the blind, Visionary Ophthalmologist | selling working eyeballs, and they Anderson Financial Systems | balk at the choice of color." -- Tony greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | Lovell, on Mac user reactions to NeXT
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXTDevelopers/Examples Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:43:58 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EIBEML.GwD@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <6286fj$mta@stern.fokus.gmd.de> fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) wrote: > I looking for > NeXTDevelopers/Examples (OpenStep 4.2) > or NeXTDevelopers/Documentation (OpenStep 4.2) for: > > a) > integratiing the on-line Help in my .app ? > (With PB in NeXTSTEP 3.3 i just click on "addHelpDirectory" ) You can't, really. Integrated online help was dropped in the transition from NEXTSTEP to OPENSTEP. The rationale behind this was, as far as I remember, that "OpenStep applications should use the help system native to the OS it is running on." (aka "use Windows Help". Oops... :-() Check out the "Help System" section in the AppKit developer release notes. > b) > reach NeXT-Mail, to implement somethig like a user-reply > (including to fill the text fields "To" and "subject") Your best bet is to hand the request to a separate (compiled on 3.x) utility. (e.g. nextmail from mailapp-utilities, available at ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/mail/). Hope this helps, Tom. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: Wassim M Jabi <jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: HELP: <appkit/nextstd.h> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:04:42 -0400 Organization: University At Buffalo Message-ID: <344BC76A.56BF@writeme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hello: I am trying to port someone else's code to OPENSTEP. I ran across a #import <appkit/nextstd.h> which is not found in OPENSTEP. Can anyone clue me in on what this is used for?? Here is the header file: /* Generated by Interface Builder */ #import <appkit/NSView.h> #import <appkit/NSImage.h> #import <appkit/nextstd.h> #import <foundation/NSDate.h> #import <time.h> @interface STClockView:View { struct tm contents; id clockbits; } - initFrame:(const NXRect *)frameRect; - setValue:(NSCalendarDate *)aValue; - setLongValue:(long)aLong; - setTmValue:(struct tm *)tmp; - drawSelf:(const NXRect *)rects :(int)rectCount; @end what do I need to change??? Thanks for your help. Please reply by e-mail as well if possible. -- Wassim Jabi, Assistant Professor Department of Architecture mailto:wj@writeme.com University at Buffalo Tel: +1 716.829.3485 Ext. 323 3435 Main St. - Hayes Hall Fax: +1 716.829.3256 Buffalo, NY 14214-3087
From: David Young <daver@jacobs.Geeks.ORG> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Sample Rhapsody code on devworld.apple.com? Date: 16 Oct 1997 22:32:37 GMT Organization: Geeks Organizations Message-ID: <6264m5$njr$1@darla.visi.com> References: <624lir$ja4$1@dns2.serv.net> <6253rg$26o$1@leonie.object-factory.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:32:37 CDT Holger Hoffstaette <holger@object-factory.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote: > Worked fine for me - double-clicked, Opener ran & there it was.. > Maybe your downloads were corrupted? Their MIME types are screwed, it's coming across as text/plain. -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: :: PGP fingerprint :: 89F5 E75D 4749 3FF4 :: ED92 1B6D 9871 9B93 ::
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: IOConfigTable and IODeviceMaster Date: 22 Oct 1997 03:04:08 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <62jqf8$1kf$8@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to compile Dimmer.app for Intel. It's an old app, and I am wondering if this problem could be caused by using 3.3 Dev under 4.1 or whether there is a work-around: Here's the output.... sorry it's so long... I'm not sure where the important part begins /usr/bin/pswrap -a -h ./sym/psfuncts.h -o ./sym/psfuncts.c psfuncts.psw cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -c ./sym/psfuncts.c -o ./i386_obj/psfuncts.o /usr/bin/compresshelp English.lproj/Help -o ./Dimmer.app/English.lproj/Help.store Building store file info... Compressing 189 files from: English.lproj/Help Collapsing common files... Writing files... Writing TOC (table of contents)... Saving store to: './Dimmer.app/English.lproj/Help.store'... Copied Dimmer.nib Info.nib Saver.nib Copied AppIcon.tiff Dimmer.tiff Fade.tiff left.tiff lock.tiff Signature.tiff tjb.strangeways.unh.edu.tiff mkmon_8k.dsp cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c AnimIconView.m -o ./i386_obj/AnimIconView.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c BackView.m -o ./i386_obj/BackView.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c InfoController.m -o ./i386_obj/InfoController.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c MailSpeaker.m -o ./i386_obj/MailSpeaker.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c MainController.m -o ./i386_obj/MainController.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c PreferenceController.m -o ./i386_obj/PreferenceController.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c SaverController.m -o ./i386_obj/SaverController.o SaverController.m: In function `-[SaverController unlock]': SaverController.m:264: warning: unused variable `first' cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c SwapView.m -o ./i386_obj/SwapView.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c WMCController.m -o ./i386_obj/WMCController.o WMCController.m: In function `-[WMCController playChimeForHour:andQuarter:]': WMCController.m:80: warning: cannot find method. WMCController.m:80: warning: return type for `dimmed' defaults to id WMCController.m:102: warning: multiple declarations for method `activate' /LocalDeveloper/Headers/musickit/Performer.h: In function `activate': /LocalDeveloper/Headers/musickit/Performer.h:216: warning: using `-activate' /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXPlayStream.h: In function `activate': /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXPlayStream.h:19: warning: also found `-(NXSoundDeviceError)activate' /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXSoundStream.h: In function `activate': /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXSoundStream.h:41: warning: also found `-(NXSoundDeviceError)activate' WMCController.m: In function `-[WMCController playGongAtVolume:]': WMCController.m:137: warning: multiple declarations for method `activate' /LocalDeveloper/Headers/musickit/Performer.h: In function `activate': /LocalDeveloper/Headers/musickit/Performer.h:216: warning: using `-activate' /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXPlayStream.h: In function `activate': /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXPlayStream.h:19: warning: also found `-(NXSoundDeviceError)activate' /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXSoundStream.h: In function `activate': /NextDeveloper/Headers/soundkit/NXSoundStream.h:41: warning: also found `-(NXSoundDeviceError)activate' cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c WMCPerformer.m -o ./i386_obj/WMCPerformer.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -I. -c Dimmer_main.m -o ./i386_obj/Dimmer_main.o cc -g -Wall -arch i386 -no-precomp -O -I./sym -arch i386 -ObjC -sectcreate __ICON __header Dimmer.iconheader -segprot __ICON r r -sectcreate __ICON app AppIcon.tiff -o Dimmer.app/Dimmer i386_obj/AnimIconView.o i386_obj/BackView.o i386_obj/InfoController.o i386_obj/MailSpeaker.o i386_obj/MainController.o i386_obj/PreferenceController.o i386_obj/SaverController.o i386_obj/SwapView.o i386_obj/WMCController.o i386_obj/WMCPerformer.o i386_obj/Dimmer_main.o i386_obj/psfuncts.o -u .objc_class_name_IXStoreFile -u objc_class_name_IXBTree -u .objc_class_name_IXBTreeCursor -lsynthpatches -lunitgenerators -lmusickit -ldsp -lMedia_s -lNeXT_s -lIndexing_s ld: Undefined symbols: .objc_class_name_IOConfigTable .objc_class_name_IODeviceMaster *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. Is this hopeless? TjL
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: ilp -- Interactive Listserv Processor? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 22 Oct 1997 02:52:26 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <62jppa$1kf$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Crossposted since it's both a 'does anyone have' and 'does anyone know how to compile' question. I'm looking for 'ilp' the 'Interactive ListProcessor' binary, already compiled for Intel/NeXT/OpenStep If anyone has it, please let me know. Here is how it dies when I try to compile it: cc -c -g -D__NeXT__ -DNO_ABORT_OP ilp.c ilp.c:985: unterminated #ifdef conditional make: *** [ilp.o] Error 1 Here's the lines from ilp.c.... the ifdef looks terminated to me (but what do I know? nothing) 984 case EPIPE: sprintf (error, "Server disappeared"); break; 985 # ifdef ENETRESET 986 case ENETRESET: sprintf (error, "Network dropped connection"); break; 987 # endif 988 default: sprintf (error, "Error number %d", errno); 989 } 990 fprintf (stderr, "%s\n", error); 991 if (bytes_written > 0) 992 total_bytes += bytes_written; 993 return (total_bytes > 0 ? -total_bytes : -1); 994 } 995 if (bytes_written > 0) 996 bytes_to_write -= bytes_written, 997 total_bytes += bytes_written, 998 buf += bytes_written; 999 errno = 0; 1000 } 1001 if (bytes_written > 0) 1002 total_bytes += bytes_written; 1003 return total_bytes; 1004 } Any help appreciated. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: "Chris" <cpapachristos@investigation.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.psion.programmer,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.sco.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer,de.comp.os.ms-windows.programmer,de.comp.os.os2.programmer,fastcall.f-programmieren,fj.net.programming,fj.os.ms-windows.pr Subject: Freelance Programming Contract Date: 20 Oct 1997 21:57:12 GMT Organization: Kessler & Associates, Ltd Message-ID: <01bcdda3$8d6e8710$02b5a126@sirexsvr> begin 600 Freelance Programming Contract.txt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` end
From: steve2@jojo.bio.uci.edu (Steven Frank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: MetaHTML Date: 17 Oct 1997 00:01:14 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Message-ID: <6269sa$927@news.service.uci.edu> Has anyone compiled metaHTML for NeXTstep 3.3? Steve Frank safrank@uci.edu
From: .alvin.@.neander.com. (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OpenStep/NT, C++ and iostream.h Date: 22 Oct 1997 05:31:27 GMT Organization: APlatform.com, an ISP Message-ID: <62k33f$oa1$1@tyler.aplatform.com> Hello! I just tried to make a simple "Hello world" tool (not app) using OpenStep/NT running on Windows/NT 4.0 (blech!) Anyways, I wanted to use C++ for this tool. So, I changed the PB-created file to "Test_main.M" so I could use both C++ and ObjC in the same file. I made the appropriate changes to the project, added the code (cout << "Hello there!" << endl) and included iostream.h. When I compiled, I get the following error: useoldio.h: No such file or directory. Sure enough, there is no useoldio.h file anywhere. Funny thing is, almost all of the stream headers say to use it if _MSC_VER or something like that is defined. Ugh. Anybody know how to get simple C++ programs working in OS/NT? I went through all of the on-line docs, but found nothing that would help. Did I miss anything? NeXTAnswers didn't help either... The real goal is to take our existing C++ based code and slap an OpenStep GUI on top of it. Anybody have any tips? Oh, I hope the latest OpenStep compiler can handle C++ templates... does it? Thanks! -- Alvin Jee alvin@neander.com NeXTMail gleefully accepted! Sending bits down the Internet since 1984 http://www.neander.com/
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:11:16 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <62l52k$8vr$1@news.platinum.com> References: <344DBD8B.9704C846@esec.com> <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Cc: malcolm@plsys.co.uk In <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> it appeared that mmalcolm crawford wrote: > On 10/22/97, Daniel Schneiter wrote: > > > does anybody know how to find out the version number of the PostScript > > Interpreter in OPENSTEP 4.1 (Mach for Motorola)? From the Workspace- > > Manageryou can get the version number of DisplayPostscript, > > but that's obviously not the same. > > > > The PostScript command "version" returns the current number, so you have to > find a way of displaying this. Here's a particularly baroque way of doing > it... Thanks to Mike Paquette for all but one word of this (I substituted > "version" four lines from the end). > > In a Terminal window, run pft (this makes a connection to the Window > Server), then copy and paste the following, and look in the lower left > corner... lower left of the desktop, that is. It writes in black, so if you have a black desktop you'll need to reset it to some other color for a bit to see this. : ) (bit me) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine | ____/| OpenStep MachOS | \ o.O| Objective-C l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com | =(_)= the Dock NeXTmail & MIME | U Elegance is Relevant.
From: seanlNoSpam@carmi.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Followup-To: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 23 Oct 1997 00:35:41 GMT Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Message-ID: <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> References: <344DBD8B.9704C846@esec.com> <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <62l52k$8vr$1@news.platinum.com> Gary W. Longsine (gary-nospam-@screaming.org) wrote: >In <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> it appeared that mmalcolm crawford >wrote: >> >> In a Terminal window, run pft (this makes a connection to the Window >> Server), then copy and paste the following, and look in the lower left >> corner... > >lower left of the desktop, that is. It writes in black, so if you have a >black >desktop you'll need to reset it to some other color for a bit to see this. > > : ) Uh, stone me if this was a joke I didn't notice. But = will print to stdout, not to the "desktop". That is, on my machine: carmi> pft Connection to PostScript established. version = 2011.102 _____________________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Spam Must Die! "I've discovered that P==NP, but the proof is too U Maryland at College Park large to fit in the margins of this signature." seanl@nospamcs.umd.edu URL: http://nospamwww.cs.umd.edu/~seanl/
From: johnr@scenicsoft.com (John Richetta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Sample Rhapsody code on devworld.apple.com? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:13:15 -0700 Organization: ScenicSoft Inc. Message-ID: <johnr-2210970013150001@johnr-mac.scenicsoft.com> References: <624lir$ja4$1@dns2.serv.net> <6253rg$26o$1@leonie.object-factory.com> <6264m5$njr$1@darla.visi.com> <3447929A.4C88@anonym.at> <628k4o$ok7$1@news.digifix.com> In article <624lir$ja4$1@dns2.serv.net> thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) said: > I ran across some sample code for Rhapsody at > http://devworld.apple.com/dev/rhapdev/rhapsody/rhapsodycode.html > but I am having problems uncompressing the files. FWIW, I downloaded same files, dropped 'em on StuffitExpander 4, and used 'em just fine. -jar __________________________________________________________________________ John Richetta ph: 425.355.6655 fax: 355.6898 http://www.scenicsoft.com ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
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From: "Goetz.Markward" <Goetz.Markward@kiel.netsurf.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Display bitmaps pixel by pixel on screen Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:42:05 +0100 Organization: CLS Message-ID: <344F29FD.4413@kiel.netsurf.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For reasons of performance, I try to display a bitmap image pixel by pixel on the screen with OpenStep 4.2. I tried to read in tiff files into an NSImage (which then creates an ImageRep) or directly in an NSBitmapImageRep. I set the scaling options for the ImageView to None and set the size of the ImageRep to the values of PixelsWide/High. The result is that it displays a big white area including the bitmap in the small size as before (the display size for the tiff file seems to remain the same as given by the header information of the file). Obviously the ImageRep is not rendered to the right size. Do I have to write my own wrap for the ImageView's drawSelf-method (maybe with a colorimage operator and my own setting of the CTM) or is there another way? I just understand what's going wrong when setting the NSImage's and NSImageRep's size according to the pixelsWide/High values. Thank you in advance for any helpful hint. Lutz Markward (Mail to: goetz.markward@kiel.netsurf.de)
From: matthias@:-)amg.de (Matthias Schürhoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.databases,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.databases.sybase,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Any SQL database for Openstep NT? Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:24:49 GMT Organization: FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH Message-ID: <62n8lh$go@factum.factum-gmbh.de> Hi everybody, is there an sql database available which is accessible from apps running under Openstep for NT without using EOF? The database server should run unter NT. Thank you for any help... Matthias ============================================== Matthias Schuerhoff FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH E-Mail: matthias@amg.de (NeXT & MIME mail ok) WARNING: The return email address field has been altered:-) ----------------------------------------------
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Date: 23 Oct 1997 11:56:45 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: pcf1@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <62ne1t$3e2$1@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> seanlNoSpam@carmi.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) writes: > Uh, stone me if this was a joke I didn't notice. But = will print to > stdout, not to the "desktop". That is, on my machine: > > carmi> pft > Connection to PostScript established. > version = > 2011.102 Yay ! At last a decent floating point replacement for "dc" (yes, I know this is probably a horrible abouse of the system, but...) -bat.
From: fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NeXTDevelopers/Examples Date: 17 Oct 1997 17:15:31 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <6286fj$mta@stern.fokus.gmd.de> Hi I looking for NeXTDevelopers/Examples (OpenStep 4.2) or NeXTDevelopers/Documentation (OpenStep 4.2) for: a) integratiing the on-line Help in my .app ? (With PB in NeXTSTEP 3.3 i just click on "addHelpDirectory" ) b) reach NeXT-Mail, to implement somethig like a user-reply (including to fill the text fields "To" and "subject") thanks for Help, Links or what ever Oliver fox@fokus.gmd.de -- - Oliver ___________________________________________________________
From: bettis@inetnebr.com (Mr. Jeremy Bettis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NSTableView with Images Date: 17 Oct 1997 12:11:11 -0500 Organization: Internet Nebraska Message-ID: <62867f$hra$1@falcon.inetnebr.com> References: <creactiv-0810971301420001@arppp30.ats.it> NNTP-Posting-User: bettis creactiv@ats.it (Santagati Maurizio) writes: >We're trying to build an NSTableView containing a column with an image in >every row. >How can be this implemented? >We tried to return an NSImage or an NSImageCell from the data source >method tableView:objectvalue:forTableColumn:row but it doesn't work. >(Instead of the image we get the string <NSImageCell: Ox65465> or a >similar class description). >What's wrong? Set the dataCell of the NSTableColumn to NSImageCell, and then return an NSImage from tableView:objectvalue:forTableColumn:row.
From: Bob SMith <Bob@Asia-Law.Com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Learning Openstep to help with learning Rhapsody -- Good Idea? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:14:45 -0700 Organization: Bay Area Internet Solutions (408) 260-5000 Message-ID: <3447B924.9150B919@Asia-Law.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would like to learn Rhaopsody, but I don't have a Power PC (I have a NeXTstep and a PC). So I was thinking that maybe learning Next Step or Openstep would be a good start. Is learning Openstep or Nextstep a good way to learn Rhapsody? Is Openstep 4.2 the same as Rhapsody? Is learning Nextstep 3.2 OK, or must I purchase 4.2 (3.2 is cheap, 4.2 is more expensive). Thanks in advance for your advice. -Bob
From: longsine_nospam_@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Date: 23 Oct 1997 15:49:25 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <62nrm5$a6o$1@news.platinum.com> References: <344DBD8B.9704C846@esec.com> <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <62l52k$8vr$1@news.platinum.com> <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: seanlNoSpam@carmi.cs.umd.edu In <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> Sean Luke wrote: > Gary W. Longsine (gary-nospam-@screaming.org) wrote: > >In <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> it appeared that mmalcolm crawford > >wrote: > >> > >> In a Terminal window, run pft (this makes a connection to the Window > >> Server), then copy and paste the following, and look in the lower left > >> corner... > > > >lower left of the desktop, that is. It writes in black, so if you have a > >black > >desktop you'll need to reset it to some other color for a bit to see this. > > > > : ) > > Uh, stone me if this was a joke I didn't notice. But = will print to > stdout, not to the "desktop". That is, on my machine: > > carmi> pft > Connection to PostScript established. > version = > 2011.102 It's not a joke. Notice that my reply was to mmalc, and refers to the ps code that mmalc suggested. give it a try, and you'll see that it prints the version in fancy outline numbers on the bottom left of the desktop (only you won't be able to see it if your desktop is black). /gary - -- --- ----- ------- ----------- ------- ----- --- -- - Gary W. Longsine | This Space For Rent. | | |
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Date: 23 Oct 1997 17:44:20 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EIH7v2.4t7@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <344DBD8B.9704C846@esec.com> <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <62l3ee$o0l$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> [csn.misc removed] Anders Bertelrud <anders@swordfish.orcacomputer.com> wrote: > mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> wrote: > >The PostScript command "version" returns the current number, so you have to > >find a way of displaying this. Here's a particularly baroque way of doing > >it... Thanks to Mike Paquette for all but one word of this (I substituted > >"version" four lines from the end). > > > > [PostScript code omitted] > > A much easier way is to use PostScript's '=' operator, which > prints the item on the top of the stack to stdout. In a Terminal > window, run "pft", type "version =" and hit return. On OPENSTEP/Mach > 4.2 this prints "2015.108". Spoilsport... ;-) The sick part of Mike/mmalcs version is that you can actually move other windows around behind the outline characters, and it just keeps displaying without a hitch :-) -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply>> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: james@grendel.stl-online.net (James Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Get processor speed from kernel? Date: 25 Oct 1997 14:58:57 GMT Organization: Very little, indeed Distribution: world Message-ID: <JAMES.97Oct25095857@grendel.stl-online.net> Hello all- I know that you can extract processor type info through the host_info() function. Is there any way to get processor clock speed info from the kernel? Obviously I'm looking for a platform-independent way to do this. Thanks, JLS
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <21870877233630@digifix.com> Date: 26 Oct 1997 03:48:41 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <13622877838422@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <261097003809@vacations-6.com> Date: 26 Oct 1997 06:05:28 GMT Control: cancel <261097003809@vacations-6.com> Message-ID: <cancel.261097003809@vacations-6.com> Sender: "FREE" free@vacations-6.com Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Design question: ivar or argument of private methods? Date: 27 Oct 1997 03:52:37 GMT Organization: VTL Message-ID: <631365$l1b$1@wagner.videotron.net> Hello all, In this series of "simple beginner questions" When an object is accessed by a few private methods in the same class, is it more appropriate to pass it as an argument on method calls, or to make it an instance variable? anxiously waiting for your response, Ray -- Raymond Lutz - lutzray!@#$%spammers!9bit.qc.ca - www.9bit.qc.ca/~$myusername - "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
From: isralewi@students.uiuc.edu (Barry Isralewitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Quicktime on Turbocolor NeXT Date: 27 Oct 1997 06:44:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Message-ID: <631d7t$lu9$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Hello all, Is it true that the only way to play Quicktime movies on my vintage TurboColor Next, or on an Intel NeXT laptop, is to buy NEXTIME? Is any QuickTime player in the public domain? You'd think after Apple's purchase there'd be something. Or perhaps I'm completely in the dark, seeing as how I'm running 3.2 Confused, Barry ---- Barry Isralewitz Theoretical Biophysics Group Beckman 3149 Office: (217) 244-1613 Home: (217) 367-0273 barryi@ks.uiuc.edu -- --- Barry Isralewitz Tel: (217) 239-4971 isralewi@uiuc.edu
From: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: profiling AppKit methods? Date: 26 Oct 1997 18:55:06 GMT Organization: Frankfurt University Computing Center Message-ID: <6303ma$25o@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Hi, is there (NEXTSTEP 3.3) a way to include AppKit methods in the output gprof produces? If I build the app with the popup set to "profile" in ProjectManager, only my own methods and functions will be profiled. Thanks for any hint! Bye Uli -- _____________________________________________________________________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW: - D-60489 Frankfurt Fon: +49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax: +49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine _____________________________________________________________________
From: "Damien Guard (Envy Technologies)" <envy@guernsey.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NIB problems in IB (A cry for help) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:01:05 -0000 Organization: Global SprintLink Message-ID: <345457a4.0@news2.guernsey.net> I've just finally got OpenStep 4.2 for Mach all installed and running except that I create a new project in PB and then go into the Interface > NEXTSTEP nib file and double-click to load it in IB and IB reports an error saying "Image not cached"? The IB part loads okay but I get no nib window with the tabs as shown in the introductory programming language manual. Ideas? Anyone? (Has now spent 4 days getting OpenStep installed and working this far, would appreciate any help) [)
From: Jim Redman <jim@ergotech.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Things that freeze apps Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:59:34 -0700 Organization: ErgoTech Message-ID: <3453AF36.25FC@ergotech.com> References: <877639819.16081@dejanews.com> <62pnt9$l75$1@news.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mark_bessey@apple.com A. Guyt wrote: > > garth.cummings@med.ge.com writes > > I've been exploring RDR and wanted to see if apps keep running while the > > user is interacting with the UI. For example, the Mac stops everything > > while a menu is pulled down. > > mark_bessey@apple.com writes > NeXT recommended using Distributed Objects to communicate between multiple > threads in an AppKit application. This works, but it can be a bit slow. At least on NT DO can also freeze in the situation given above. Hopefully some of these problems are going to be fixed to at least achieve the functionality that was available on NS 3.3 as we move into the Rhaposody world. Jim
From: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Design question: noninterface objects in IB? Date: 26 Oct 1997 22:28:11 GMT Organization: VTL Message-ID: <630g5r$94t$1@wagner.videotron.net> Hi, Is it a bad design practice to instanciate noninterface objects in IB? PS: this was my shortest post ever to usenet, including this comment. merci, Ray -- Raymond Lutz - lutzray @foobar@ 9bit.qc.ca - www.9bit.qc.ca/~lutzray - "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
From: arti@lava.DOTnet (Art Isbell - remove "DOT") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Design question: noninterface objects in IB? Date: 26 Oct 1997 23:30:20 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <630jqd$n3a@mochi.lava.net> References: <630g5r$94t$1@wagner.videotron.net> email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) wrote: > Is it a bad design practice to instanciate noninterface objects in IB? Controller (as in Model-View-Controller) objects are routinely instantiated in IB because they maintain ivars set to View objects. This makes setting Controller object ivars in IB very convenient, so this is good design practice in general. But instantiating Model objects in IB seems to make less sense to me because they shouldn't have ivars that are set to View objects. The more that's done in IB, the larger the nibs become which can delay nib loading. In our case, we have hundreds of nibs, so I do the minimum in nibs and abstract common operations in code so that the same code is used for many nibs. This minimizes what must be done in each nib which is a big win when changes need to be made (just change a few code statements instead of modifying hundreds of nibs). IB is fun to use, but it can be overused as far as I'm concerned. Everything that can be done in IB can also be done in code, so I always consider both alternatives before deciding whether nib or code implementations are preferable. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: arti@lavaDOTnet Trego Systems (for whom I don't speak) Voice/Fax: +1 808 394 0511 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 808 394 0495 managed care solutions US Mail: Honolulu, HI 96825-2638
From: matthias@:-)amg.de (Matthias Schürhoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.databases,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.databses.sybase,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: Openstep NT and Sybase SQL Anywhere? Date: 22 Oct 1997 09:24:00 GMT Organization: FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH Message-ID: <62kgng$5q7@factum.factum-gmbh.de> Hello, has anyone tried to build an Openstep app with access to an SQL Anywhere database server under NT 4.0? I tried the odbc headers and the wodbc.lib which come with SQL Anywhere and got an error during linking ("wodbc.lib is incorrect or corrupt" or something). I think it's not the right version for the gcc (I don't want to use EOF). Any ideas? Thank you for any help! Matthias ============================================== Matthias Schuerhoff FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH E-Mail: matthias@amg.de (NeXT & MIME mail ok) WARNING: The return email address field has been altered:-) ----------------------------------------------
From: szallies@energotec.de (Constantin Szallies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Design question: noninterface objects in IB? Date: 27 Oct 1997 09:02:42 GMT Organization: Technet GmbH Message-ID: <631lbi$j2v$1@oxygen.technet.net> References: <630g5r$94t$1@wagner.videotron.net> email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) wrote: >Hi, > >Is it a bad design practice to instanciate noninterface objects in IB? No!! >PS: this was my shortest post ever to usenet, including this comment. PS: This was my shortest reply ever on usenet :/) Greetings -- # Constantin Szallies, Energotec GmbH # szallies@energotec.de # http://www.energotec.de/~szallies/ # 49211-9144018
From: info@vvi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: VVI-DCS Makes First Data Acquisition (DAQ) Solution For Rhapsody Date: 27 Oct 1997 13:56:59 GMT Organization: VVI Data Control Specialists Message-ID: <6326jb$9bt$1@news2.digex.net> Originator: gsupport@ PRESS RELEASE: VVI-DCS Makes First Data Acquisition (DAQ) Solution For Rhapsody VVI Data Control Specialists (VVI-DCS) 311 Adams Ave.; State College, PA 16803 USA 888-DCS-OPEN ; 814-234-9613 info@vvi.com http://www.vvi.com State College, PA USA, 27 October 1997: Showing its continued commitment to Apple(R)'s next generation operating system, code named Rhapsody, VVI Data Control Specialists(TM) (VVI-DCS(TM)) today announced a full Rhapsody version of its network data acquisition hardware (DAQ) device driver. "We have combined our existing OpenGraph(TM) for Rhapsody solutions with one of the most powerful network DAQ solutions available on the market and made it run seamlessly with Rhapsody", said John Brilhart, Chief Technical Officer of VVI-DCS. He added, "Companies that choose Rhapsody will be able to acquire almost any analog or digital information in industrial and service sector settings for instrument, machine, building, process and environmental control and monitoring needs. The application areas are enormous and we have a complete and robust product which will be available when the Premier version of Rhapsody ships." VVI-DCS is fully committed to the future of Apple's Rhapsody and has a long history of outstanding support and delivery of OpenGraph services and products and welcomes Apple Computer, Inc., and other innovative companies which use OpenGraph's data reporting technology to their advantage. About VVI-DCS: VVI Data Control Specialists (VVI-DCS) was cofounded in 1989 by Ed VanVliet and John Brilhart, subsequently incorporated in 1992 and is currently a privately held corporation. Since its founding VVI-DCS expanded to be the leading independent supplier of data reporting software in the OpenStep marketplace. VVI-DCS's customers comprise world leading companies in the banking, biotechnology, chemical, financial services, manufacturing, and pharmaceutical industries. Systems VVI-DCS helped build have been operational for years and at this time are monitoring billions of dollars worth of products in real-time and on a global scale. These systems are, in part, based on VVI-DCS's OpenGraph About OpenGraph: OpenGraph is a framework of Objective-C and C++ objects for reporting data in graph and textual formats and consists of a graph building application and pre-built objects. OpenGraph accepts real-time feeds from any source and serves as a graphing front-end for real-time financial analysis, transaction, production and inventory analysis, database systems, and instrumentation. OpenGraph is fully object-oriented and is well suited to systems which require reliability, exacting specifications and performance. _________________________________ (C) Copyright 1997 VVimaging, Inc. (VVI-DCS); All rights reserved. OpenGraph, GraphBuilder, VVI Data Control Specialists, VVI-DCS, and VVimaging are trademarks of VVimaging, Inc. (VVI-DCS). OpenStep and Apple are trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. All other trademarks and service marks belong to their respective owners.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: tom@icgned.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Subject: Re: profiling AppKit methods? Message-ID: <EIpJ56.Dzv@icgned.nl> Sender: news@icgned.nl Organization: IC Group References: <6303ma$25o@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:12:42 GMT uli@tallowcross.uni-frankfurt.de (Uli Zappe) wrote: > is there (NEXTSTEP 3.3) a way to include AppKit methods in the output gprof > produces? > > If I build the app with the popup set to "profile" in ProjectManager, only my > own methods and functions will be profiled. > > Thanks for any hint! You have to adapt the Libraries entries in PB to use the profiled system libs. For instance, change "NeXT_s" to "NeXT_p" to profile the Appkit. (the profiled libs are named "lib*_p.a" instead of "lib*_s.a". You can find most of these in /usr/lib.) Hope this helps, -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply>> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Andrew Chang) Subject: Where to find the NeXTdimension demos apps... Message-ID: <EIpzMs.Ar0@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: GSB, University of Chicago Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:08:52 GMT Can anyone tell me where I can find the demo applications for NeXTdimension? I searched various NS releases and I can find only NeXTtv, ScreenScape. Whare is the VideoApp? Thanks for any info.
From: seanlNoSpam@carmi.cs.umd.edu (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Followup-To: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 28 Oct 1997 00:48:40 GMT Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Message-ID: <633cp8$lqa$2@walter.cs.umd.edu> References: <344DBD8B.9704C846@esec.com> <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Gary W. Longsine (longsine_nospam_@platinum.com) wrote: >In <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> Sean Luke wrote: >> >> Uh, stone me if this was a joke I didn't notice. But = will print to >> stdout, not to the "desktop". That is, on my machine: [Sean gets pelted with stones] >It's not a joke. Notice that my reply was to mmalc, and refers to >the ps code that mmalc suggested. give it a try, and you'll see that it >prints the version in fancy outline numbers on the bottom left >of the desktop (only you won't be able to see it if your desktop >is black). Well, that's what I get for not reading closely enough. *duh*. BTW, I get the window, but sadly it doesn't appear to work with the PS interpreter for NS 3.2 (my box). _____________________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke Spam Must Die! "I've discovered that P==NP, but the proof is too U Maryland at College Park large to fit in the margins of this signature." seanl@nospamcs.umd.edu URL: http://nospamwww.cs.umd.edu/~seanl/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Where to find the NeXTdimension demos apps... Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EIqCIA.7I1@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:46:58 GMT References: <EIpzMs.Ar0@midway.uchicago.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <EIpzMs.Ar0@midway.uchicago.edu>, Andrew Chang <tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu> wrote: > >Can anyone tell me where I can find the demo applications for NeXTdimension? >I searched various NS releases and I can find only NeXTtv, ScreenScape. Right. Those should be in /NextDeveloper/Demos >Whare is the VideoApp? This went away in 3.3. I seem to recall it being somewhere under /NextDeveloper/Examples in 3.2 (don't have a 3.2 machine handy to check.) -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Proposed Modern Syntax" of Objective-C Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:53:49 -0400 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <344E59CD.3989@removeme.emory.org> References: <abridge-1610970941270001@dcn36.dcn.davis.ca.us> <EI6Lyz.2HE@prosoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lyle Parkyn wrote: > I sure hope so, although - I just flipped through the oct issue of MacTech Magazines have like a 3 month lag time. My October MacUser magazine has a great review of the new Motorola StarMax 6000 CHRP machine that is coming out. I can't wait, it sounds great. ;-) -- Spam protection in place. remove the removeme from the address to reply.
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From: Marcus Miss <miss@sepu.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Newbie needs help Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:59:37 +0100 Organization: sepu gmbh Message-ID: <3455A979.9D0E339D@sepu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I started learning OpenStep under NT 4.0. My problem: How can I build an MDI-application? Means a single menu (not a window with a menu) which is responsible for all opend windows.
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Rhapsody News group Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:00:08 -0400 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <344E5B48.21D6@removeme.emory.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there plans for a Rhapsody news group or will we all just peacable coexist in the next.programmer news group? Not trying to start trouble just curious. It makes sense to monitor this group if you want to program for Rhapsody because these people have the most experience with OpenStep which is very similar to Rhapsody, but are we going to seem like close relatives that came for dinner and then overstayed our welcome? -- Spam protection in place. remove the removeme from the address to reply.
From: Barry Leslie <Barry.Leslie@snap.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Installer Trashed System.framwork Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:56:19 +0100 Organization: snap.de Message-ID: <3455C4C4.4692@snap.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use to have OpenStep 4.2 installed and running where I was doing development work until I decided to install the PDO developer libs. I already had the Intel libs so when the installer asked which versions I wanted I checked only the PDO versions. The installer then went off and trashed my System.framwork so that nothing worked any more. I thought that I could boot off the install CD but of course the install CD only wants to install. WHAT A F&%KING SYSTEM! I am now reinstalling the OS. Oh what fun. As I write this I watch the OS try to install and notice that it is getting read errors from the CD. What A piece of SH?T! -- Barry Leslie
From: igerard@shadok.ina.fr (Gerard Iglesias) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: mouseMoved in subclass of NSView Date: 16 Oct 1997 06:43:00 GMT Organization: INA Message-ID: <624d1k$42$3@tintin.ina.fr> References: <gerard-0910971923020001@gege.ina.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: gerard@lestudio.fr In <gerard-0910971923020001@gege.ina.fr> Gerard Iglesias wrote: > Hello, > > I use Prelude to Rhapsody, and I have a problem with mouseMoved in a > subclass of NSView. It don't work, event if I send > setAcceptsMouseMovedEvents to the window of the view. I send this method > in the body of mouseEntered, which I receive well after registering the > tracking rect. > In fact, I found the solution, you must override acceptFirstResponder in the subview to return YES and it works, but I don't understand why. -- Gerard Iglesias Ingénieur de Recherche INA
From: jdev@andante.mn.org Subject: Yellow Box and Enterprise on same platform. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:25:02 -0600 Message-ID: <878053402.31858@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: Deja News Posting Service Has anyone seen any information on whether OpenStep Enterprise and Yellow Box will be able to co-exist on NT 4.0? All comments welcome. John N. Alegre Andante Systems ############################################################### # NeXTMail preferred. | # jalegre@andante-systems.com | If you plant ice, # alegrej@andante.mn.org | you're gonna harvest wind! # jalegre@lenti.med.umn.edu | Hunter/Garcia # jalegre@skypoint.com | ############################################################### # URL http://www.andante-systems.com ############################################################### -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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From: spammers@ruin.the.internet.channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Installer Trashed System.framwork Date: 28 Oct 1997 16:33:04 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <635440$94q$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <3455C4C4.4692@snap.de> Cc: Barry.Leslie@snap.de In <3455C4C4.4692@snap.de> Barry Leslie wrote: > I use to have OpenStep 4.2 installed and running where I was doing > development work until I decided to install the PDO developer libs. > I already had the Intel libs so when the installer asked which versions > I wanted I checked only the PDO versions. The installer then went off > and trashed my System.framwork so that nothing worked any more. > > I thought that I could boot off the install CD but of course the install > CD only wants to install. > > WHAT A F&%KING SYSTEM! > > I am now reinstalling the OS. Oh what fun. > > As I write this I watch the OS try to install and notice that it is > getting read errors from the CD. > > What A piece of SH?T! > I understand your sentiments. I agree that there should be some kind of application or script available on CD that could do a restore on a hosed installation. I once had some files and directories get munched by a disk grok, and wanted to replace them from the CD but it wasn't easy to first locate the lost chunks, and then to replace them completely from CD. And if you don't have a working system then one is forced to use the CD in single user mode if your lucky and the only options are to reinstall vs. repair installation.. I may (when I get some free time) write a command line script that does exactly what I'm suggesting above and submit it to Apple and the world.. I hope it can be something that can fit on a boot floppy where it is sorely needed.. As to your read errors don't blame Openstep blame your S*%TTY CD-ROM. Also if there are folks out there that really want something like this to show up more quickly to$$ing $ome at me might get it done a little faster.. Sincerely, Randy Rencsok rencsok (at) channelu (d0t) com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Quicktime on Turbocolor NeXT Message-ID: <EIrytH.7qI@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <631d7t$lu9$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:46:29 GMT In article <631d7t$lu9$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> isralewi@students.uiuc.edu (Barry Isralewitz) writes: > Is it true that the only way to play Quicktime movies on my > vintage TurboColor Next, or on an Intel NeXT laptop, is to buy > NEXTIME? Is any QuickTime player in the public domain? You'd think > after Apple's purchase there'd be something. Or perhaps I'm completely > in the dark, seeing as how I'm running 3.2 > Well, it is true. And there is no PD software I know of. But NeXT used to throw NEXTIME in on some commerial upgarde deals. Try c.s.n.marketplace whether someone is willing to sell his copy. -- Peter Nitezki | pnitezki@acm.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail ASCII only # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: Stefaan.Huysentruyt@ping.be (Stefaan Huysentruyt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Next Orb ? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:17:41 GMT Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Message-ID: <3456559e.11894228@news.ping.be> References: <01bcd1be$0ad601c0$23f845cf@apollo> On 6 Oct 1997 18:48:42 GMT, "Willi Berger" <w_berger@mindspring.com> wrote: >When sending a message, Is there anyway to increase the DefaultTimeOut for >the Next Dole Orb ? Currently, after 60 seconds the Orb will generate an >Exception. We have a situation where we will send a message and sometimes >it may take longer than the default time for the task to complete. > I guess it has something to do with Windows? In that case you can let the receiving app respond with a kind of 'busy' object or 'started' or 'completion'-report, before it starts to deliver what it is expected to deliver. Greetings... from Belgium. The MS-desert of Europe Stefaan. *--- Stefaan Huysentruyt ---* *--- I am not young enough to know everything ---*
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: PalmPilot connectivity app Date: 29 Oct 1997 00:45:23 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <6360v3$enu$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Howdy, I just wanted to ask if someone is working on an app allowing to connect PalmPilot/Pilot to a NeXT. I am considering starting a front end for the unix tools but not if someone is already working on one. Please mail to blazek@stt.msu.edu Thanks, have a nice day. Rudy.
From: Steve Dekorte <dekorte@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Anyone using Oracle w/OpenStep4.2 on NT? Date: 29 Oct 1997 05:19:12 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <636h0g$1ht$1@owl.slip.net> Hello, I have an an OpenStep 4.2 app that runs on Mach and NT except when I run it in gdb (via ProjectBuilder, or from the Bourne Shell) on NT. It runs fine in gdb on Mach. Specifically, the app(in gdb on NT) will start up, but when I go to log into Oracle it dies while trying to open the channel. I'm guessing this has to do with some environment variable wierdness with the gdb/NT combination, but I'm not sure what. Any tips? Steve PS. Didn't see anything on this in NeXTanswers
From: mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OPENSTEP & PostSCript Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:20:34 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <62pspi$mgn$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <344DBD8B.9704C846@esec.com> <62khoj$ngo$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <62l52k$8vr$1@news.platinum.com> <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> In-Reply-To: <62m64t$7b1$1@walter.cs.umd.edu> On 10/23/97, Sean Luke wrote: >Uh, stone me if this was a joke I didn't notice. But = will print to >stdout, not to the "desktop". That is, on my machine: > No, it wasn't a joke... I guess maybe I should have included the "boring" "=" way of doing it too, but I loved Mike's example and thought it worth using in a "practical" way. It's not a black image, by the way; if you "step" through the code (copy and paste a line at a time) you'll find that the gradientimage actually runs from black to deep blue -- very pretty. It seems this is a new operator in OS 4 since it doesn't work with NEXTSTEP 3.3. Best wishes, mmalc.
From: Marcus Miss <miss@sepu.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Newbie in OpenStep needs help Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:16:58 +0100 Organization: sepu gmbh Message-ID: <3457536A.C1416360@sepu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I'm learning OpenStep using NT. Question #1 : I need a View which is splitted vertical (also resizeable) and offers two subviews (on the left a browser and on the right a table). Is something like that in the AppKit or is some work waiting for me ? Question #2: I heard from the MiscKit. Is this only usable under the OpenStep/Mach or also under OpenStep/NT ? Thanks for your help, Marcus
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@Apple.Com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Things that freeze apps Date: 24 Oct 1997 17:57:41 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <62qnil$j98$1@news.apple.com> References: <62pnt9$l75$1@news.tudelft.nl> A. Guyt writes > In the current application kit architecture only the main thread is > allowed to access the GUI (i think they consider making the appkit > thread safe, not sure). Other (non visual) application threads of > course, continue operation all the time. Actually, this turns out not to be quite true. It is possible to draw to the GUI from multiple threads, it's just *very* difficult. So difficult, that it's almost never done in practice. NeXT recommended using Distributed Objects to communicate between multiple threads in an AppKit application. This works, but it can be a bit slow. I think it's quite likely that more and more of the Yellow Box will be made thread-safe going forward (this is the best way for us to take advantage of multi-processor systems). -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: Gerd_Gueldenpfennig@iXpoint.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: EOF Informix on HP-UX Date: 29 Oct 1997 09:53:25 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH Message-ID: <63712l$9vq$1@ixpoint.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anybody know which Informix client libraries we have to use for connecting an HP-UX PDO EOF (2.1) application to our database. We run HP-UX 10.10 as recommended from Apple and bought the client libraries Informix Connect 7.20 UC2 from Informix (this is the version Informix recommended for HP-UX 10.10). We have had this problem with NT4 a year ago. We needed to buy three versions until we got the right one. EOF2.1 on NT is linked against the 7.2 Informix client libraries. Is PDO-EOF 2.1 on HP-UX not linked against 7.2 ? Anybody knows? Regards --- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Gerd Gueldenpfennig + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Daimlerstrasse 3 76275 Ettlingen Germany + + Phone ++49 7243 3775-0 Fax ++49 7243 3775-77 + + Email: Gerd_Gueldenpfennig@ixpoint.de + + (NeXTmail, plain ASCII and MIME format) + + WWW: http://www.ixpoint.de + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: email@end.of.post (Raymond Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: crashes, crashes not... ? Date: 30 Oct 1997 04:52:24 GMT Organization: VTL Message-ID: <6393q8$38j$1@wagner.videotron.net> salut a tous! Strange fact one: The app I'm building crashes systematically when launched from the File Viewer but runs perfectly when launched from a shell. Strange fact two (funnier): Running it through gdb on the terminal is fine; but through the ProjectBuilder gdb panel the same app quits abnormally at various irreproducible places, receiving signal SIGINT. Sometimes it even stops in AppKit code before reaching mine, after a first button mouse down. Any idea of what is going on? Puzzled, Ray -- Raymond Lutz - lutzray!@#$%spammers!9bit.qc.ca - www.9bit.qc.ca/~$myusername - "Les 400 plus fortunes individus de la planete possedent autant que 2.3 MILLIARDS des plus pauvres reunis"
From: mikelea@nospam.digex.net (Hippykill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How to make change to BackSpace.app module? Date: 24 Oct 1997 22:26:30 GMT Organization: DIGEX, Inc. Message-ID: <62r7am$o6d$1@news2.digex.net> I've been playing with BackSpace.app modules. I modified the Boink module (the bouncing ball) so it would play a sound when the ball hit the bottom of the screen. However, now the animation pauses when the sound plays. Here is the mod I made: if (ypos <= 0) /* ball hit bottom of window */ { err = SNDReadSoundfile ("/Users/mikelea/Projects/SoundTest/Pop.snd",&s); err = SNDStartPlaying(s,i,5,0,0,(SNDNotificationFun)SNDFree); SNDWait(0); ypos = 0; if (viewHeight > HEIGHT) ....etc Is there a faster way of playing the sound, or a way to continue the animation while the sound is playing? I don't know enough Obj. C to figure it out... -- *mikelea@access.digex.net* "imperious, angry, furious, extreme in all things, with a disturbance in the moral imagination unlike any the world has ever known-there you have me in a nutshell: and one more thing, kill me or take me as I am, because I will not change." -de Sade
From: lozinski@.openstepnews.com (Christopher Lozinski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.mac.general,comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: OpenStep/WebObjects Newsletter Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:48:52 GMT Message-ID: <62r544$a89$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> Rhapsody News 1. Rhapsody User Interface 2. Rhapsody Text Object Changes 3. Rhapsody Lacks Macintosh Software 4. Java on Rhapsody 5. File System Adaptor Apple News 6. Inverse Hostile Takeover Fully Complete 7. Dave Manovich Resigns, Mitch Manditch Promoted 8. James McCluney Resigns from Apple 9. Apple Posts $161 Million Loss 10. Management Diversity at Apple 11. Macintosh Clones 12. WebObjects Advisory Board Meeting 13. NC Computers for Rhapsody Servers 14. Newton News 15. WebObjects Pricing Confusion Internet Connectivity 16. NeXTStep email applications. 17. Simple Email Connection 18. IP Forwarding and Masquerading 19. Linux and GnuStep 20. Network Configuration Services Products 21. OpenBase Lite Free on Rhapsody 22. NXFAX is Now Shareware 23. Fax Software 24. Stone Design Sale 25. Joy Explorer and Joy Developer for OPENSTEP/MachOS 26. Tiffany Has a New Web Site 27. Calliope Music Application 28. PDF Publishing 29. O2 Database Job Market 30. OpenStep Newsletter Job Market 31. OpenStep Human Resource Services 32. Software Disaster Management 33. Fixed Price Development Projects 34. Long-Term Career in the Deep South 35. Bay Area Developers 36. Washington Beltway 37. Bay Area Opportunity for Object Oriented Architect 38. Looking For A Long Term Career 39. Virginia unbelievable position 40. Seeking OpenStep/EOF Developers 41. Fun Position 42. Management Opportuinity 43. Chicago Opportunity 44. Northern California 45. San Francisco Bay Area Manufacturing Company. 46. San Francisco Bay Area 47. Other Positions Other 48. Canon Hardware 49. Windows NT Security Holes 50. Project Management 51. Subscriptions Now Available 1. Rhapsody User Interface The Rhapsody developer release is now shipping. The new Rhapsody User Interface looks very different from OpenStep. Evidently it looks much more like the Macintosh Operating System, Mac OS 8. The Mac menu bar runs across the top. Traditional tear-off menus are gone. The dock is along the bottom of the screen. The default file viewer looks like the Mac file viewer, but options allow for traditional NeXTStep browser modes. Applications and files can sit on the screen background as on the traditional Macintosh screen. Windows have menu bars inside of them and as the mouse hovers over each menu bar item, a tool tip pops up with a text description of what the button does. Whereas Rhapsody is made to look like a Macintosh, under the covers it is still Unix, and can be accessed with Terminal.app. Technically it is very much Mach. NxHosting Works. Preferences are based on bundles that get loaded at run-time. Multibutton mice were still being discussed when I saw the pre-release version of Rhapsody. And there are some definite improvements. For example, the Macintosh Style Keyboard Interface has been added to Rhapsody. When you need to configure the mouse, but do not have a mouse configured, it is no longer a problem. 2. Rhapsody Text Object Changes Text Object is significantly updated. The ruler is a separate class. The scroll bars on a text window can be together at the bottom, ala OpenStep, or at the top and bottom, ala Macintosh. Tooltips are included. Kerning is on by default. Ligatures are included. Automatic hyphenation is supplied. Kanji can be included in a Text Window. All kinds of images are supported including gif, png, pict, bmp, jpg, eps, and tiff. Text Objects can read and write to a rtf, rtfd file, or HTML file . And RTF no longer has 32K limits. 3. Rhapsody Lacks Macintosh Software The emphasis on the first release was Yellow Box on BSD. Blue Box is not currently included. Macintosh software such as quicktime, QTML, and QuickDraw3D are not currently included. Macintosh developers are obviously frustrated. Indeed, if Rhapsody is being positioned as a server, it is hard to see the need for Macintosh-based applications. 4. Java on Rhapsody Rhapsody as released includes a Java compiler integrated into the NeXT development suite. Java supports Garbage collection and offers complete access to the Yellow Box class libraries. Applications can be developed in Java with full access to the Rhapsody class libraries. Interface builder and project manager work with Java. All Java class libraries can be compiled and run, except Graphical User Interface classes. The Sun AWT libraries have not yet been ported over. Thus Apple Java applications can be run only wherever Yellow Box is available. Apple plans to be 100% Sun Java compatible. Apple also plans to also be 100% Appkit compatible, so the developers will have to choose which GUI library they want to use. Apple is really targeting, not just Java Applets, but full-blown Java Applications, with complete access to the local environment. 5. File System Adaptor The new Rhapsody has a file system adaptor, much like the EOF adaptor, so that different applications talk to the adaptor which talks to the file system. This allows multiple file systems to be used interchangeably. According to insiders, Rhapsody is entirely a component-based operating system, with any component fully replaceable. 6. Inverse Hostile Takeover Fully Complete The acquisition of NeXT by Apple is commonly referred to as an inverse hostile takeover, because the management of the smaller company, NeXT, has completely taken over control of the larger company, Apple. The list of ex-NeXT staff in senior Apple management is quite long. Steven Jobs is CEO, and Philip Schiller is the Vice President of Product Marketing & Product Management. Although not strictly from NeXT, Schiller came from FirePower, a hardware company formed when NeXT closed its factory. Jon Rubenstein is the Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering. He also came from FirePower, and previously from NeXT. Avadis Tevanian, Jr. , previously from NeXT, is Senior Vice President of Software Engineering. Nancy R Heinen is Senior Vice President and General Counsel, and previously from NeXT. Mitch Manditch, is Senior Vice President of Sales for the Americas and acting International Vice President, also previously from NeXT. Even the head of the Newton Group is now reportedly an ex-NeXTer In fairness, some positions remain in the hands of old-guard Apple people. Fred Anderson is the CFO. Micheal Connor is the Vice President of Apple Reliability & Quality Assurance. Douglas Solomon is the Senior Vice President for Strategic Planning and Corporate Development. David Roman is Vice President of Advertising & Brand Communications. Maxwell Paley is the "junior" Vice President of Software Engineering. James Gable is Vice President of Platform & Technology Marketing, and David Krathwohl is Vice President of Developer Relations. In rereading this section, I realize that far more ex-NeXTers have the word "senior" in their title. It makes me wonder whether these Apple old guards carry as much influence as the ex-NeXTers. Apple frequently says that 50% of the Rhapsody staff are Apple people. That may well be true, but it is clear that many of the positions of authority have been taken by NeXT staff. What I see is that the company is being run very much like NeXT: very efficiently and very focussed on the current objectives. At the same time, there is a large infrastructure of Apple people, and Apple procedures that are being being retained. 7. Dave Manovich Resigns, Mitch Manditch Promoted Dave Manovich, the Senior Vice President of International Sales resigned from Apple. His is one more departure from the existing Apple Management Staff. His position is being filled temporarily by Mitch Manditch, Vice President of Sales for the Americas and an ex-NeXTer. Personally, I was surprised that this departure took so long. It is natural to wonder how long the interim status of key figures such as Steven Jobs, and Mitch Manditch will continue. I also wonder who else will be leaving. 8. James McCluney Resigns from Apple James McCluney was the Senior Vice President of Worldwide Operations, in charge of manufacturing, logistics, and warehousing. He is one more of the old guard leaving a senior position at Apple. 9. Apple Posts $161 Million Loss Apple posted a net loss of $161 million for the fourth quarter of its fiscal year. Of that loss, $119 Million were charges that Apple took related to the acquisition of Power Computing. Also in the news last week, Moodies downgraded Apples bond rating. All of this during a quarter when Apple shipped Mac OS 8. 10. Management Diversity at Apple At the Seybold conference, Steve Jobs was asked about the scarcity of women in upper management at Apple Computer. His reply was: " If you send me the names of great people, who happen to be women..." . In contrast, Hugh McColl the CEO of one of Apple's Clients was quoted as saying: "We stand at the intersection of diversity and economic opportunity. The opportunity for most U.S. corporations is limited by their failure to utilize diversity. We must understand how to manage a diverse work force. It means the opposite of being race-blind or color-neutral. It means looking at our differences and the strengths those differences represent in the business arena. Those differences translate into skills, perspectives and alternative ways of thinking that can distinguish us from our competitors. And if there is one thing that unites us at this company - it's winning." Prior to the inverse hostile takeover, Apple had two women in senior management, and one asian Indian. One of the women, Heidi Roizen, has rejoined the workforce, and is now on the board of Be Inc. Accordingly, we are making a special effort to help our clients find more diverse employees. If you are or know a woman, minority, or disabled OpenStep or WebObjects person please let us know, and we will represent your diversity to our hiring managers. If you are a hiring manager who wishes to learn more about these issues, give Vernetta a call at 510-795-6086. 11. Macintosh Clones Umax has licensed Mac OS 8, and will be releasing new products. Umax is now empowered to sub-license, and has done so to two ex-Motorola sub-licensees: PowerTools, and MacTell Corp. Although Steve argued that the licensees balked at paying their fair share of the cost of the Mac OS, the insiders I know dispute that version of history. I have yet to hear a compelling business case why Apple should not have licensed the operating system at say $400/copy. Word has it that Motorola would have paid up to $600/ license. A more compelling argument is that Steve likes being in the hardware business, and just did not want clone vendors. So he raised their risk of doing business to the point where Motorola dropped out. In a related rumor, I heard that a group is trying to reverse engineer the Mac ROM, and thus bypass the need to license the Mac OS. 12. WebObjects Advisory Board Meeting On Oct 26-28, the Web Objects Advisory Board will be meeting, to help advise Apple on the future directions of the WebObjects Platform. Please fill me in if you know who is on the board or what they will discuss. 13. NC Computers for Rhapsody Servers It looks like Apple is making a big push for providing low-cost Network Computing clients for Rhapsody servers. Significant investment continues to be made in the Mac OS to migrate it in that direction. The Newton is being repositioned as an NC client, and Rhapsody is being positioned as an Internet server. 14. Newton News Apple cancelled its spin-off of the Newton division and appointed an ex-NeXTer to run the group. Steve Jobs had been in favor of spinning off the Newton, but since Larry Elison joined the board, Newton has been reabsorbed into Apple. Reportedly Apple is working on bringing out a low-cost NC computer based on the Newton. The design of the Newton allows for the construction of very low-cost computers. It would be amusing if Apple's future growth were to come from the Newton, which was created during the leadership of Sculley. 15. WebObjects Pricing Confusion I have had a corporate client complain to me about the variability in WebObjects pricing. The client had once heard about a 7K offer, but then could not get more information about that price. I have also had an independent software vendor complain about the confusion over the WebObjects licensing rules. They could not tell if they were operating within the rules of the license, and were scared to ask. I do not think that people mind Apple setting their prices high, but I can understand objections to the lack of a clearly defined pricing and use policy. The confusion creates the impression that Apple modifies its prices to get the most from a potential client. 16. NeXTStep email applications. There are three email server applications for NeXTStep: SendMail, Smail, and Qmail. SendMail is what everyone uses, but it is so complex that if anything should go wrong, It could take a long time to figure out. Of course some people do like it. The second application, Smail, includes the NetInfo bindings. (I know the person who added them seven years ago), but I could not find a copy of smail that was precompiled and tested, so it could take some time to get running. Qmail is newer, faster, and simpler, but I also could not find it compiled for NeXTStep, and it also does not support NetInfo. 17. Simple Email Connection Configuring email is only difficult on the email server. Once you have an upgraded server, the rest is easy. There is no need to change the NeXTStep client SendMail applications. Set your mailhost in HostManager to be the mail server. Even if you do not have a network, and are running just a single NeXTStep computer, this should work. The trick is to use your ISP's SendMail configuration. Michael Gen try <Michael.Gentry@MCI.Com> writes: "Open HostManager.app, define "mailhost" to be your internet service provider's e-mail server, and you are done (well, it works just fine on my NeXTstation that way :-). The problem with retrieving mail via PopOver.app still exists, though. " Actually if you run Eloquent, it reads Pop Mail boxes, so that problem is solved also. 18. IP Forwarding and Masquerading The best solution I have found for an Internet gateway is to run a Linux box which supports IP Forwarding and Masquerading. Multiple client computers can connect to the Linux server, which forwards IP requests across the dynamically assigned modem connection. The other advantages of Linux are great security, a very large and complete collection of drivers, ability ro run a wide range of internet software, and the reassuring fact that it has been carefully tested. The disadvantage is that Linux is based on the Unix System V model, and NeXT Developers prefer BSD, which is the core of Rhapsody. I continue to work on improving my network. I am not entirely happy with my current NeXT box working as an Internet gateway. For every Internet application I want to run on the other machines, I have to set up a proxy application on the NeXTStep gateway computer. Finally, the black boxes have very slow modem connections compared to my Intel hardware. Alas NeXTStep cannot do Masquerading and Forwarding. Theoretically, there is a switch to turn it on, but it does not work. I presume that Rhapsody will support IP Forwarding and Masquerading. Alas for me to get a copy, I need to sign a non-disclosure statement which would not sit well as a member of the press. 19. Linux and GnuStep Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, has recently taken an interest in GNUStep (and recommended it as "a very interesting development" to the main developers of Linux). One reader writes: The UI is coming along nicely... using the AfterStep WM, I have an environment that looks and acts somewhat like NS-- but is *lots* faster... it makes NeXTStep running on the same hardware seem pokey. Most importantly; Linux is one of the primary development platforms for GnuStep-- the free implementation of OpenStep. Andrew McCallum has done an INCREDIBLE job so far. GNU's implementation of the foundation kit is far and away the best out there; better than NeXT's even. It has some slight incompatibilities on the DO front, but fixes many bugs and adds many features that are not found in any other implementation. As well, there are a number of *additional* classes that are very cool. 20. Network Configuration Services If you have a small network with a LInux Server; you need to serve a number of NeXTStep, Windows and Macintosh clients; and you wish to get everything configured to work together and connected to the Internet, let me know. I have a person here is who is helping me with my network, and he would love to help you install yours. 21. OpenBase Lite Free on Rhapsody The single-user version of the OpenBase Database will be shipped free with the Rhapsody product. <http://www.openbase.com> Of course, you still have to pay for the multi-user version. 22. NXFAX is Now Shareware In the previous newsletter, I mistakenly wrote that NXFAX is now freeware. In fact, it is now shareware. Check out: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/demos/comm/NXFax.1.04.README The password is supplied so that you can fully test it with your system without cost, but you are supposed to send in payment to use it. 23. Fax Software Olaf Mueller <olaf@orest.escape.de> ,a German OpenStep programmer, has created a Voice/Fax/Data application called OlafAM. He is working on a caller ID feature. It's like NXFax, but it has the additional capability of Voice Mail. Although it uses NetInfo, it doesn't yet work as a domain-based resource (it's in the queue for a future release). Olaf wrote it as a reaction to Patrick Stein's "am" freeware program, which only supported one modem (ZyXEL), and wasn't as reliable as NXFax. One reader reports that he replaced NXFax with OlafAM some time ago, and really likes the application. OlafAM can be configured to email faxes and voicemail into your mailbox. I believe it's on both Peanuts and Peak... check it out. 24. Stone Design Sale For $199 you can buy the StoneWare suite consisting of DataPhile(TM), the multi-media, easy to use database manager, Create(TM), the powerful graphics package, 3DReality(TM), a 3D modeler and renderer, and CheckSum(TM), a check writer and finance manager. Offer good until Nov 2nd. 1997. www.stone.com 25. Joy Explorer and Joy Developer for OPENSTEP/MachOS Here is a new product. From what I can understand from the product blurb, this is an interpreter on OpenStep on Mach: http://www.aaa-plus.com/joy/download.html Let me know what you think. 26. Tiffany Has a New Web Site Tiffany is a photo editing application for OpenStep. At this point, it does not look like Adobe will be migrating to OpenStep in the near future, so Tiffany will remain the photo Eeditor of choice for a while. You can get more information about the company from their web site:http://www.caffeineSoft.com or email them at: info@caffeineSoft.com. The tiffany documentation is scheduled for a significant upgrade. If you need someone who knows how to fly the application let me know. 27. Calliope Music Application The Calliope Music Application, and other NeXTStep music related resources are now available at <http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~mrozek/nextmusic/> Calliope gives one complete music notation! And it plays and follows the score! It comes with 2 dozen classical pieces. 28. PDF Publishing PDF is a format developed by Adobe to allow for elegantly formatted documents to be read on any operating system. Unlike HTML, PDF looks the same on any operating system. If you are looking to publish Postscript Display Format (PDF) documents using Apple development tools, consider using the Report Mill product. Check out www.reportmill.com 29. O2 Database My interest in the O2 database continues to grow. I am planning on using it for an on-line version of my resume database. The Excalibur Image Searching Database is based on the O2 Database. For a while, it was listed on the Yahoo and Infoseek home pages. For clients who wish to track their customers web access patterns, the O2 database makes it very easy to create a list of clients, each of which refers to a list of sessions, each of which refers to a list of URLs visited at the site. That data can then be queried in the on-line database, or in a duplicate data warehouse, in a very natural fashion. O2 is available on most Unix platforms, and also on NT, and the client API is still supported on NeXTStep 3.3. Perhaps we can find enough customers for them to port the client API to Rhapsody. 30. OpenStep Newsletter Job Market Business is booming. We know large numbers of companies looking for OpenStep Developers, Testers, Managers, Architects, etc. We even have a steady demand for contractors. We are also increasing the flow of candidates through the system. With the two of us working here, we have been able to handle a much much larger volume, which means that we are actively in touch with more hiring managers, and more developers than ever before. Vernetta and I have painfully come to learn what we both do best, and we make a very powerful team. If you want to participate in the job market, let us know. I think that you will find it a very pleasant rewarding experience. 31. OpenStep Human Resource Services If you are an OpenStep company in need of Human Resource services, please consider using my partner Vernetta. She really understands OpenStep. She understands what motivates NeXTStep developers. For starters, she can review your human resources procedures, and inform you of what your organization needs. She can help you create an effective interview process, create market based salary structures, and assist you with resolving employee relations crises. She can help you create an employee manual, and institute procedures such that you are legally safe from gender and race bias issues. Whatever your human resources needs may be, Vernetta can help, she is an experienced HR professional with more than fifteen years experience and she has the right mix of NeXTSTep and Human Resource experience. If interested, send her email at wilson@openstepnews.com 32. Software Disaster Management If you have a software project that has been a disaster, with schedules that were exploded, budgets that look like holes, and a business that is hurting, please let me know. I know two very senior managers who specialize in helping clients like you in the OpenStep community. They come in, establish a set of objectives, determine what needs to be accomplished to meet those objectives, get the team to buy into the plan, and do what it takes to execute the plan on schedule and within budget. 33. Fixed Price Development Projects Consider contracting out a significant project on a fixed-price basis. I know a number of well qualified teams who will pick up the risk in your NeXT project, and give you fixed-priced fixed-schedule delivery. Let me know if you are interested. 34. Long-Term Career in the Deep South Put your faith in this company. They are large, wealthy and very well managed. They are looking for people who want to develop both personally, and as part of the organization. Technically, they are a large NeXTStep group running internationally distributed applications against both Sybase and Oracle Servers. They are very interested in integrating Java into their existing software infrastructure. They take the time to do their designs and analysis carefully, and really make a point in investing in the human infrastructure. This is a beautiful part of the country, with a great cost of living, and wonderful benefits including educational initiatives. 35. Bay Area Developers A small company in the South San Francisco Bay area is seeking a well-motivated person interested in building your skills in web-based database applications. You will design and implement server/database applications for a large-scale web server database project. You will concentrate on designing and integrating applications over a distributed database network for the WWW. Will see this product through from start to finish. Need experience in taking complex software solutions through an entire product lifecycle, from OO analysis and design to implementation, deployment, and support. Web Server application work, Java knowledge, internet commerce, NEXT's WebObjects development platform is highly desirable. Stock is available. 36. Washington Beltway Here is a company that is building a requirements definition application on OpenStep on Windows NT. The group is very skilled at managing schedules, deliverables, and customer expectations. They also have great object deployment methodologies. For the developer who knows OpenStep, but wants to learn more about good consulting business practices, this place would be a great training ground. They are willing to take developers who have as little as two years commercial experience, and really show them how a very professional consulting organization runs. It is a very mature consulting organization that can teach a developer a lot about customer interaction, managing expectations, and professionalism. I know the hiring manager personally. I really like him. Very intelligent considerate person. 37. Bay Area Opportunity for Object Oriented Architect One of the leaders in the manufacturing equipment industry is looking for developers who are hoping to utilize the NextStep development environments to create a consistent graphical user interface (GUI) to its tools. You will be involved in the further development of critical applications for the companies' customers. You will design, engineer/architect, and participate in identifying requirements, designs, and implementating GUI's on the next generation product. Working with a small, fun-loving, aggressive team, you will take responsibility for technology insertion, and performance issues, and provide state-of-the-art solutions right to the desktops of customers. Desired experience in the following: GUI design and development, OLE,DLL,custom window component design. Use of various GUI CASE tools. Graphics art design tools, application development on Windows NT, NeXTStep. Objective-C is also desired. This company also offers six week sabbaticles. 38. Looking for a Long Term Career If you are a team player who is ambitious, hardworking, with a degree in computer science we have the job for you. As a member of the Technical Architecture Team, you will be in the unique position to be working on the creation and support of an extensive, robust application infrastructure for building production trading systems. Additionally, since this infrastructure will exist on both OPENSTEP/Mach and OpenStep/NT, you will be working in a multi-platform environment, utilizing your skills with Unix, as well as Windows NT operating systems. You will be delivering commercial-quality software-testing solutions to internal development groups, and helping to manage general software re-use in the group's software library. This includes the design and implementation of a complete testing strategy for internal products as well as applications built on those products. Requirements: Experience with automated regression testing, or test scaffolding for applications. Experience in software re-use efforts a significant plus. Solid operating system knowledge on Unix and knowledge of Windows/NT is also a plus. Knowledge of SQL and RDBMS desired; detailed knowledge of Sybase System 11 a significant plus. These guys will even help finance your house. Chicago Area. 39. Virginia unbelievable position This is it. If you have had it with coding all day long, and would like a position where you have no deliverables, and get to talk to people all day long, then this job is for you. You even get stock options in a very promising company. 40. Seeking OpenStep/EOF Developers Join a team of developers writing a client-server, Oracle-based, call tracking package to be used by world wide customer service staff. Individuals should be well versed in OpenStep and sound OO development practices, work well in a team, and have above average verbal and written communication skills. The bulk of the project teams are in Massacusetts. This company is willing to pay $50-60/hr for NeXTStep developers with just two years of experience. 41. Fun Position Looking for experienced programmers and Webmasters to assist young, creative team of interactive designers. Prefer individuals with IIS or Netscape server software and related ISAPI/NSAPI experience for programmer. Webmasters should have heavy database integration experience and must know SQL. Legacy experience with CICS, SNA, and Oracle a stong plus. Strong object oriented development skills. Immediate training will be availble in Apple WebObjects. 42. Management Opportuinity If youÂre ready for a creative and management challenge with plenty of responsibility, we have the job for you!!! This company is looking for a take charge leader to manage a Web team and take the corporate Web sites to new heights. This position is for an experienced Internet marketing professional possessing equal parts technical expertise, creativity, and managerial savvy. You will lead internal and external site vision and development. You will plan, refine, and maintain the Web sites' marketing efforts, ensuring corporate image consistency worldwide, and ensuring that the companyÂs Internet presence supports its strategic and tactical marketing objectives. Requires a bachelorÂs degree in communications, marketing,and/or programming, and fluency in all aspects of Web technology, including Java, WebObjects, HTML, CGI and PERL. Must have demonstrable strategic thinking, writing, graphic design, and site architecture skills, and know how to address virtual audiences from a benefits perspective. The ability to plan and implement programs and content on time, and market the companyÂs sites throughout the Internet, is critical. Knowledge of how MIS and product marketing managers interact with marketing to maintain a corporate and product-centric internet presence is also critical. 43. Chicago Opportunity This company has a robust NeXTStep group that is growing full-tilt. They have a separate Java group that is growing even faster. Great Caferia on site. Super benefits. They even pay bonuses if the traders using your software do well. It is a very strong group technically. Very well managed company. They are even willing to consider European candidates. 44. Northern California This company in a truely beautiful part of Northern California is looking for NeXTStep engineers for a Java project. The senior position is for someone to be a mentor to the company. The job is to train and advise the more junior developers on the technical details of NeXTStep, on good design practices, and on other software-related issues. The other positions are for people who will primarily be Java developers. This company will even happily train experienced NeXTStep developers in Java. 45. San Francisco Bay Area Manufacturing Company. If you like the environment provided by manufacturing/transportation companies, then you will love this place. Their straight NeXTStep software is used to make real-time decisions about the production operations. The software needs to model the real world accurately, and give good production decisions quickly. The company is dependent on your software, and the business needs drive the development process. If you want to develop software that matters, this is your chance. 46. San Francisco Bay Area This company really takes care of theri staff. For them employee retention is an absolute top priority so they put a lot of effort into making sure that the people are happy at the company. This company performs a lot of different projects for their clients, so that there is a real opportunity to develop a wide range or OpenStep and Java related skills. 47. Other Positions We have a lot more positions open, but frankly I want to limit the length of the newsletter. Let us know where your interest lies, and we will do what we can for you. 48. Canon Hardware I recently acquired a Canon ObjectStation, from a Bay Area NeXTStep company that had downsized dramatically. The ObjectStation is now dual-booting Windows 95 and NeXTStep. I gave up waiting for a reasonably priced HTML editor on NeXTStep 3.3, and am now trying out WebExpress. If all goes well, you should see a very active Web site here real soon now. I found the audio drivers for the ObjectStation at <http://www.oaktech.com/audtech.html> and got the file: mztw95.zip 49. Windows NT Security Holes The Windows NT C3 security rating was achieved when the computer was not networked. When networked, there are significant security holes in Windows NT. (Source: <www.avian.org> Warning Strong Language) I continue to be amazed that large organizations are willing to commit their entire network to a proprietary operating system, with no source code availability, and significant security loopholes. Linux sounds a lot less risky to me. 50. Project Management One of my clients is an expert on project management. His company is developing OpenStep software to gather, document, and manage customer requirements. He thinks of the software as supporting multiple versions of the customer business, evolving over time. He focuses on delivering software that meets the requirements of the current version of the business. The software only needs to be good enough for the objective at hand. This allows him to manage the investment, effort, and feature creep. There is value from the demo, the initial release, a production release, and a bomb proof release. Bells and Whistles which have minimal value to the business objectives need to be avoided. Even the less-than-necessary requirements can be deferred. He even discourages CEO requirements which are not needed by the people executing the business processes. I think that he has a good philosophy which many developers could benefit from. 51. 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From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <3457fb2c.0@news.avana.net> Date: 30 Oct 1997 04:24:19 GMT Control: cancel <3457fb2c.0@news.avana.net> Message-ID: <cancel.3457fb2c.0@news.avana.net> Sender: Peopleware Publications Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: michael-@-meetmeonline-.com (Michael) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Anyone using Oracle w/OpenStep4.2 on NT? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:22:54 -0600 Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Message-ID: <E7FA9AC516D1A8C3.F70477B0FF056B8C.E0E4997BF7B5F927@library-proxy.airnews.net> References: <636h0g$1ht$1@owl.slip.net> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Oct 29 23:20:24 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <636h0g$1ht$1@owl.slip.net>, Steve Dekorte <dekorte@slip.net> wrote: > I have an an OpenStep 4.2 app that runs on Mach and NT except when I run > it in gdb (via ProjectBuilder, or from the Bourne Shell) on NT. It runs fine in > gdb on Mach. Specifically, the app(in gdb on NT) will start up, but when I go to > log into Oracle it dies while trying to open the channel. I'm guessing this > has to do with some environment variable wierdness with the gdb/NT combination, > but I'm not sure what. The question is what version of Oracle Server are you using? I've been trying to get OpenStep 4.2 Mach to talk to Oracle Server 7.3 on NT and it just won't happen. It says "Invalid Driver Designator". The odd thing is is that I can use my Mac's Personal Oracle, Personal Oracle for 95 and EOF for NT and they all work fine. Same tnsnames.ora file on all of them. Sorry I couldn't help with your problem, but I understand the frustration! Michael. EMAIL minus SPAM: michael@zerologic.comSPAM
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